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The Chris and Joe Show: NFL Combine Day 2 Winners

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26:49 min | 10 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show: NFL Combine Day 2 Winners

"Are you troubled by strange? Hockey trades in the middle of the night. Do you experienced feelings of dread about. Nhl Free Agency. Have you or your family ever seen it New York islanders game? If the answer is yes. Don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts. From espy nation today are courteous and efficient hosts are ready to serve. All of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans and welcome back to two of the Christian Jones show here covering the NFL combine giving you the breakdowns of the biggest winners from the day. Today we had the offense of line and the running back's going and it was very very talented tackle group and then a couple of names of running backs that really improved their draft stocks with really impressive testing foot before we start talking about all of these winners to we have to address a pretty big news line that we pretty much predicted yesterday. Which was the sled caused so many problems for tight ends that they might have to reevaluate it and when we said that yesterday I was thinking maybe next combine but they were so fed up with the sled and the drills. They didn't even bother wasting their time with seeing if the offensive line can move them. I'm a little bit of a devastated. Here I was hoping to see fred the sled again but it cut things a little bit short today. We did not get to see the the event fullness of the sled drills with alarm. Yeah I was actually kind of looking forward to that. I was looking forward to seeing guys who are used to hitting sleds pushing fred the sled around. I would have been a lot of fun to see. Kristen works in January wills and if he hadn't gotten hurt Becton and I say a Wilson and all of those monsters out there just throwing that sled around it it probably was a smart business decision by the NFL in those organizing the combine because did not want to go out there and have yet another incident of a position group struggling to move it even if they were even if the offensive line was a little bit more technically sound. If it wasn't working out it would've looked bad on their part so business decision to get rid of it. We stuck with what really worked and what we were familiar with. A lot of footwork drills a lot of pad in hand placement type stuff a lot of guys they were able to flash during those things in the first guy right off the bat that we don't even need to waste any time beating around the Bush that is Tristan worse from Iowa had easily the most outstanding day at the NFL Combine. Maybe already in early winter for the week because he came in a six foot five three hundred twenty pounds thirty four inch arms but he ran a four eight five forty at that weight to go along with a record-breaking Vertical. Six thirty six point five inches overall though. You saw his base. You saw his athletic makeup. He has incredibly large legs. Which is such a positive for an offensive lineman especially a left or right tackle having a big strong base like that and then being able to move like it was nothing having the feet of a linebacker safety and having quick feet like that at that size is a true testament of how athletic he is. In how much of an impact he could have Fernando Franchise right away yet. If you remember back to earliest combine previous we had been Sola gone and he highlighted. Tristan works as just an athletic freakshow of alignment and a guy that he said he would not have had a problem with a team. Drafting HIGHEST second overall. Because that's where the giants were drafting at that point and works absolutely backed him up today. He's got prototypical size and beyond prototypical athleticism fern offense tackle. He's got experienced on the right. He's played a lot on the right for Iowa. He has experience on the left. He didn't over there this year. He's a powerful run blocker. He's a good pass protector. He is definitely a winner from this week. He's also coming from a program that is known for producing very fundamentally sound offensive. Lineman in the big story line here to follow with. Works is not just that. He looked very very athletic. He looked explosive. He looked incredible and outperformed some expectations for him and seemed to exceed expectations. Even though we knew he was. GonNa be this athletic. The biggest story line here is that we have been talking about for a while now. How some of these names at the top attacker class have not really been able to separate themselves. We've talked about. Oh maybe this guy is in front. Maybe this guy is in front but I think with the performance like this and doing as well as he did is enough to put him in that offensive. Tackle one conversation. It answered a lot of those questions and there are a lot of guys in the top. Four of the offensive tackles for this year's class. All had good combines but with a performance like this from worse you have to question. Do you even need to waste time arguing? The other guys should he be that offensive. Tackle one I still think there are arguments to be made over. Who is your. Ot One maybe just comes down to. What is your available slot? Worse can play both sides. But Jack Wilson Natural Right Tackle Andrew. Thomas is a natural left tackle. Mikhail Becton is a natural left tackle. Unfortunately we did not get to see him in the field drills because he got injured he came up with a tight hamstring. After running a forty which at impressive is worth workout. Was Becton running a five one? Forty at you know. We'll just say three hundred sixty pounds because he got weighed again just before the forties and he came in at three fifty eight. So we'll just say three sixty a five one is pretty ridiculous. I think you can come up with an argument for any one of them to be. Ot One but it might come down to being a very individual for that team argument. There might be a lot of circumstance surrounding that and there's still a ton left to this draft process especially produce and individual workouts as well as visits for players. There is going to be a lot. That's GONNA come down to for this class but you led right into our next winner from the day. He talked about that five one. Oh forty that is so crazy that he was able to move that quickly at three hundred fifty. Roughly probably three fifty five in that range that much weight. He weighed in at three sixty four. But there's always the. How much do you actually way when you run? Because a lot of these guys are chugging tons and tons of water so they're properly hydrated but still three fifty five if he is that running a four one oh really flashes his athleticism. It just is a clear indication of the fact that MCI Becton has that athletic makeup that you can mold in work with in continue to improve. Twenty-three bench press reps also for his long thirty five. Almost thirty six inch arms is pretty impressive. Like you said though did not get to see him on the field. It was a little bit disappointing. Did get to see him in one drill but that forty time and also his bench press are really enough to tell the full story yet at you can see that. He has movement skills on tape. He has really light feet for such a normal human being. He is able to move. He can hold up on the edge against pass rushers. He Can Mirror. He can do all of the things that the drills would try to expose. You can see that on the field in pads. I think we've gotten enough confirmation. That he definitely belongs in that conversation with works in Wills and Andrew Thomas in the thing with this tackle classes. They're all so different. There's no one really even close to it. Became Becton is in terms of his weight and his size. It's a shame waiting to see his ability to maintain good leverage and his hand placement when it came to hitting the bags very much ashamed that we didn't get to see him do that stuff but still very positive that he was able to flash that athleticism another guy that had an overall well rounded day. Was G J wills still on the list of this top four tackle group and of course he was one of the guys who showed out because he's in that top four range six foot four three twelve. He clocked in a five. Oh five forty which is pretty good for his size. Thirty four point. Five inch vertical is only two inches shorter than interest in worth so it. Kinda got a little bit brushed under the rug there because so many people are talking about that vertical from worse but wills moved very well in the drills. You can tell that he's very technically sound. Coming from a notably Great College Football Program in Alabama. You can really really see that. He has the footwork and the technique to be a pretty good offensive tackle yet. I think what really stood out for me as he moved well in the position drills which going back to our combine preview we both highlighted as it's great to see these enormous people doing athletic things. It'S AMAZING TO WATCH BECTON. Run or to see tristen. Worst just defy gravity but really what tells the story is the position drills and will did move well in the position drills trying not to get too caught up in rhyming here but I think what really stood out to me was how we hit the bags you know. We didn't see the linemen hit as many bags is we have in previous years partly mostly because they did away with Fred the sled who which took the which kind of took out bags from some of the drills that bags that normally you would have assistance or coaches or other players holding but the the few times we did get to see ginger wills hit a bag. He hit it with authority. He hit that bag. Like I don't know like kicked his dog or something. He almost knocked the coach over and to me that was really impressive. To say wills was certainly impressive and the fourth arguable guy. In this list of the top four tackles is Andrew Thomas from Georgia and we would not be doing our due diligence if we did not talk about him their work is that tested very well and had good drills but it seems like there was very notable noticeable difference from the top four guys in various drills Andrew. Thomas was obviously one of them. Six Foot. Five three fifteen super long arms thirty six in one eighth eighth inch. He had a decent vertical thirty inches. But I'm a little bit more impressed with that. Three cone seven. Five eight is very good for over three hundred pound guy but again same thing with the other guys in front of him goodfeet good body control when he was moving enable to maintain consistency when he was doing these drills yet you could see he has those top elite feet it almost looks like especially on the rabbit. Drill were coach was directing him to go back and forth along the line. You could see. His feet never really came together. He was always all of these guys except for Becton were really balanced. Thomas had really good knee bend. He always had his cleats in the ground. So it good angle flexibility and you could almost see it looked like his feet and legs were almost disconnected from his upper body really good really good suspension system if it was a car and it was just impressive to watch him on the field and doing those drills It was impressive to watch all of these guys. The top of this tackle class is stacked the ability to maintain balance in your upper body while you're pushing off exploding with your lower body making those steps especially in that mirror. Drill is so important in a guy that really stood out to me in the mirror. Drill specifically is Matt Hennessy. Interior Offensive Lineman probably a center from Temple. He ran a five one eight forty twenty-three bench reps four. Six short shuttle had a seven four five three cone. That's very good movement skills. Four in interior offensive lineman but like I said though. Everything came down to the mirror drill. It's stuck out to me. How well he was able to punch and redirect with his feet in that drill and a lot is able to be seen and how well those guys can handle it yet. We've got two centers on our list. Hennessy also sees r-rise. Both of them looked really good. Really smooth in their position drills when they're moving moving their feet. I think it did help that. The other two kind of top centers in the class. Tyler Bischoff of Wisconsin. He didn't work out at all. He's getting I believe the scope Getting a joint cleaned out and then Lloyd cushenberry. The third who I personally was excited to see he came up. Lame in the forty. I believe you've pulled a hamstring. Not good for us to not be able to see these guys but good for guys like Hennessy in Ruiz. That the other top guys weren't there so that made it easier for them to stand out and they really did. I thought it really is a shame that a number of these interior guys weren't able to participate especially Loyd cushenberry the third because he was a guy that could have very well shined in these technically based drills involving footwork. By like you said though Hennessy and release were able to take advantage of that. The spotlight was not on someone else so they were able to jump in in flash what they're capable of last guy that we have is Shane. Lemieux from Oregon. He ran a five one one forty. The rest of his testing athletically was really not that great. We're not GONNA DIG to deepen that but if we're talking about players that had good days during the positional drills which is a bit more of an importance for the offensive line. He had a pretty good day. We could get all hung up on the fact that Tristan wharfs had a fast forty which is very very impressive. But you need to translate that stuff to the field which worsted but also lemieux was able to translate his fundamentals in the positional drills. He had a really pedestrian workout. As far as the measurable go. I don't think he was even close to the top ten in anything except maybe his forty but once they got on the field in the position drills he almost has tackle feet like I if there was an injury. I honestly don't think I would feel too bad about seeing him lineup. At tackle at least to finish out at game he moved remarkably well for guard and especially at guard who is known for his power. You Watch him on on the field on tape at Oregon and he moves people. He is a heavy hitter. He's got heavy hands. He can drive defenders off the ball to you. Don't normally see guys like that with dancers feet. You don't see guys like that in the mirror going back and forth keeping knee. Bend keeping their cleats in the ground not bringing their heels together and just kind of having that typewriter. Footwork that you normally see from guys. Talk about as starting tackles so. I'm not saying that Limo Transition from guard to tackle. I'm just saying he's got great feet for guard. We're going to discuss three running backs. That also improved their draft stock. But before we do that we're going to get very short commercial break. This is Jesse David Fox. I'm a senior editor at vulture and I host the podcast. Good one a podcast about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian. Comedy Writer Director Willis to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with pen and the pad and physically write down everything I just has not my style turns out comedians. Take jokes pretty seriously. All jokes okay. That's what I do. That's what I live with is really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. 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Twenty-three reps to show off his strength. But most importantly he had a forty one inch vertical super explosive for a guy playing at almost two hundred and fifty pounds. Yeah and you see him in compression near insureds not in pads you can kind of understand how a guy six foot two forty seven could have a forty one inch vertical in a four five three forty. I would wager about a hundred and fifty pounds of his body. Weight is in his quads. He yeah he's big up top but his base is just huge. He has all kinds of power. And you can see that. He's a lot of his weight is low so he has a low center of gravity in that shows up on tape. He runs guys over. He runs through defenders yet. He's not great off tackle but you can put him between the tackles and he is a load to bring down a good luck trying to tackle a guy that is as strong as he is in being able to run that fast that size comparison for the speed is almost that of Leonard for net. Who has been a bit inconsistent because of injuries but when he's healthy is one of the better running backs in the NFL. Another guy who had a very good forty time really shocked Chris and I because we knew he was athletic. We knew he was a good running back. But I don't think anyone really could have anticipated this much speed for his size. And that is Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin. Five foot ten to twenty six little bit later than Saquon Barkley. But that's pretty close to the same sizes saquon Barkley. He was able to run a sub four. Four forty four three nine that is incredibly fast and explosive with a thirty six inch vertical. For a guy that is almost two hundred and thirty pounds being able to run. That fast was very unexpected for him. And that is going to be a huge impact on increasing his draft stock. Yeah Absolutely I. We knew he was productive. He had over six thousand yards in three years. He is the only player in NCAA history to do that. The not the only player to put up six thousand yards but the only player to put up six thousand dollars in a three year span. He had a ton of touch well over nine hundred touches but to see him. Put up that kind of those kinds of numbers at his eyes with the type of runner he with his much wear as he has had is very impressive. The fact that you could directly compare him and they did on the broadcast to saquon Barkley. Is it really drives home? What kind of athlete he is. And you didn't exactly get to see that in Wisconsin offense the way they ran it in the thing. That kind of kills. Jonathan Taylor is the fact that he has nine hundred plus touches in his career. That's what's going to happen when you have back to back. Two Thousand Yard rushing seasons. You're going to need to touch the ball a lot to do that. And he was the focal point of their offense. He can't do anything about that but he can certainly show that he's faster than people really expect him to be when he runs that fast of a forty time our last guy had also a pretty fast forty time and someone who is a bit underrated not talked about a ton but is starting to pick up a lot of steam and that is cam acres from Florida state. Who was previously one of the top runningback recruits in his class. Five foot ten to seventeen rental four. Four seven forty are dash twenty bench reps and thirty five vertical. All of those things test out really well and you were able to see what he was able to do. In the positional drills footwork his balance and overall his consistency. Yeah yeah the the way Cam acres ran that duce. Staley drill the one where they had the three bags set up kind of in a t shape and then go over them and then go go back over the bags explode over and then basically get it to way. Go from player. Simulating a safety. The way acres ran that drill was it was a sight to behold because his feet were just so smooth. It was so effortless watching him. Navigate the bags drop his hips cut and explode field. His workout was good but the way he plays with the ball in his hands he is going to be running back to watch is going to be productive at the NFL level. He also pretty good in those receiving situations in those drills at the combine so Krista wrap up today like we did did yesterday. Let's discuss our top performer. Of the day I will get us going. I hear and if you can tell from the tone of my voice at the beginning of the show mine is an obvious pick in that is Tristan worse from Iowa athletically. Incredible what he did but also to take that athleticism and transfer it to the on field drills really helps him out because sometimes we do. Have these hyper athletic. Offensive tackles like Greg Robinson. And that stuff doesn't really translate to technique and being a good offensive tackle. But I think we're starting to see what Tristan wharfs can be in the ceiling. That he has. Yeah were really is an impressive athlete. Which is great to see from a guy who has also impressive on the field for my guy. I was somebody we haven't mentioned yet. And that is Boise. State offense tackle as Rick. Cleveland Cleveland is not the biggest guy. He's six six three eleven. His arms are thirty. Three and three eighths inches long. So he doesn't have you know really prototypical size. He's got good size but not great but he had for a while. At least until I in worse ran the top forty time with a four nine. Three he's got. I believe it was the had the top three cone drill with a seven to six which is just absurd I for an offensive tackle and then he had the top short shuttle time with a four four six which is again foreign away the fastest time they are so he has really good athleticism really good movement skills and he's got some good take two. You're making me regret. Not having him in our original list of offensive tackles for all of those numbers he had but as Cleveland was also a clear top performer in everything that he did during the day. Bit of a less talked about prospect that it really helps himself out during today's drills. That's all we have for you today. Folks be sure to rain. Subscribe wherever you're listening to us and also follow us on social media at big Lou view. You can follow me at Joe. Daley owning a full Kris at Raptor M. K. I stick around for our next show which will be coming in a recap of day three at the NFL combine. Are you troubled by strange? Hockey trades in the middle of the night do you experience feelings of dread about NHL? Free Agency have you or your family ever seen New York islanders game. If the answer is yes then don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts from SP nation today. Our courteous and efficient hosts are ready to serve. 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The Chris and Joe Show: New York Giants select Georgia OT Andrew Thomas

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13:43 min | 8 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show: New York Giants select Georgia OT Andrew Thomas

"Are you troubled by strange? Hockey trades in the middle of the night. Do you experienced feelings of dread about. Nhl Free Agency. Have you or your family ever seen it New York islanders game? If the answer is yes. Don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts. From espy nation today are courteous and efficient hosts are ready to serve. All of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans the New York giants shocked the world with their selection and unexpected. One seems like yet again in back to back years. They picked Andrew Thomas de Paul -fensive tackle from Georgia. This is the Chris and Joe Show. I am Joe Delia. On here with Chris. Plum presented to you by nation and Big Blue View. We are here to react to that selection of Andrew Thomas and break things down for you so you know what he is like as a prospect coming you right immediately after pick number thirty to fill you in on that as well as the best available prospects still on the board so Chris like I said. I don't think either of us were really expecting Andrew Thomas. It seems like all this work we did and we put in here. We were talking and saying it's going to be Isaiah Simmons. It's going to be worse. It's going to be wills maybe MCI Beck and I feel like we never dawned on us to talk about Andrew Thomas but apparently all this time Thomas was their number one guy and they liked worse. But Thomas just trumped everything out of all. They looked like they were trying to make a trade and they were they were going down to the final seconds there on the clock but ended up. Going with Andrew Thomson surprised us a little bit. Yeah from what we heard and what the smoke signals seem to be as the giants were trying to work a trade. Their preferred move was to trade back amass a little bit more draft capital. We kind of heard that they were working trying to work something out with the Carolina Panthers as well as the Jacksonville Jaguars. That was a little bit earlier. Rumor there was some truth to that but turns out. The trae didn't happen so the giants went with Andrew. Thomas and I think the reason we We kept drifting off of him is he is the safest of the top four tackles. He has the highest floor. He doesn't quite have the ceiling of the other is. But he's played both sides. He's played well at both sides. His feet are good enough. He's got really long arms yup over thirty six inch arms which is kind of ridiculous and you know we do know. Dave gettleman loves him. Some long armed is yet he has. He has a good ability in the run game. He can pass protect. Well does have some things to clean up particularly against particularly fast or particularly powerful pass rushers but he has a nice high floor. He doesn't have the ceiling of wharfs or becton but he's a much safer pick than those guys which considering where the giants are really shouldn't be that much of surprise they went with the Safe Guy. Interesting to look at Andrew Thomas and who is prospect? You talk about that arm. Lengthy six five three thirteen thirty six in eighth INCH ARMS. Ten and a fourth inch hands really. Just a big bodied guy is in terms of the prototypical traits. You want in an offensive. Tackle is the extreme of that in less. You're talking about MCI. Becton he has one of the the largest dimensions for an offensive tackle at the NFL. Combine is forty. Time was not really that jaw dropping but for a tackle doesn't really mean that much five to two twenty one bench reps pretty good for long arms like that. Thirty and a half inch vertical. A hundred and six inches on the broad jump seven point five eight three cone in the short shuttle. I thought was pretty good for six six. So very technically sound guy. Though you you talked about some of the stuff that he really brings to the table is just very technically sound and he can step in and start right away. I think that we're things Kinda get a little bit mixed up here. Is that if you have nate? Solder as you're likely and confirmed left tackle. Can we assume that Andrew Thomas will just easily make that transition to right? Because that's not always the case we look at least new with wills or worse. We were getting a right tackle with the giants. But but Andrew Thomas can you really make that prediction that he's GonNa just seamlessly slide on over to right tackle? Yeah he has played right tackle before he started as right tackle as a freshman and he did play well then but that was also a couple of years ago and yet the off season. This year is just weird. We don't have. The giants are starting their virtual off season. We don't know when and how the players will get to work with coaches what camp will look like. So do you move him over to right tackle or do you leave him at left? Tackle a position that is at least more immediately familiar. That might have a little bit shorter learning curve for him but then also ask nate solder to transition over to right tackle. So that question in of itself why I was kind of leaning towards wills or wirth's just because you could slot them in at right tackle right away. They don't have to learn or relearn any different techniques or basically. Do the mirror switch from left to right with their hands and feet. That's the giants are going to have to figure out. Fortunately Thomas is a he is experienced. He does have good technique coming out and really he's going to need it. 'cause wallet draft was going on. I went through and looked at the giants schedule coming up. And Thomas GonNa go through a trial by fire. The giants are going to face. A lot of good pass rushers. They're eight separate teams with double digit sack producers nine individual wt sack producers that are going to face and a total of three hundred and fifty four and a half sacks last year. We're GONNA find out right away if Andrew Thomas is the real deal and I think if you consider what we talked about this whole time during the off season the pick makes sense We were not predicting this we. He wasn't even a guy that we really thought was in the conversation. I talked about earlier in the show. But if you consider everything that we talked about early on during or actually not early on recently with the issues with Cova nineteen incur virus and the limitations that the NFL had to put down on themselves and not allowing the ability to host prospects and go to produce it makes sense why they went with Andrew. Thomas you talked about him. Being the safer pick he seems like the safer guy in the cleanest guy on tape. And you don't really have to worry about in potentially not translating as cleanly he doesn't have the highest ceiling out of the group but he can step in and start to easiest out of out of the other tackles that were drafted in the first round. So if you think about it in that sense that we talked about how. This year's draft is going to be a lot more based on film rather than the workouts and he wasn't the workout warrior like Tristan wharfs and MCI BECTON. But he did end up having the best tape. And that was what the evaluation came down to and Dave gettleman even said that. He said that they're relying a lot more on tape than they typically are so it ends up coming down to that. That's why Andrew Thomas ended up becoming the guy so round two is going to be coming around tomorrow for us to see what direction they'll be going in. Is that when they decide to go with defense in pick up? Some playmakers in some weapons. There's a lot of really talented guys still left on the board before we talk about them. We're getting a very short commercial break. Surprisingly there's a ton of players still left on the board for the giants to select at thirty six overall depending on if they trade back or up or if they stay in that spot or not. There's a lot of guys that we talked about his first round players that we were praying that fell to the giants now. Cesar release was one of those guys that we were hoping fell to the giants. He is no longer on the board. However there's a lot of really good options that you you've put out here for US Chris. Yeah you know when we did our consensus big board. We got some five five. I won't say criticisms at least questions about how many I or I slash second round fringe first round grades. We gave out Wind up with thirty five total but now you can see why. We gave out so many first round grades. This is just a remarkably deep draft particularly at the offensive tackle wide receiver positions. Really we are getting into the meat of the draft there. There is going to be so much valuable available in the second and third rounds if we say. The giants have addressed the offensive side of the ball. Now they're now they go to the defense got Gross maddow's out of Penn State Defensive End Zach bond linebacker slash edge out of Wisconsin Grant Dell a safety at Lsu Jeremy Chin safety out of southern Illinois also Doug still on the on. The Board Xavier mckinney still on the board Antoine Winfield still on the board. Atf AN ESA is still on the board. There are a bunch of really good defensive players just sitting there and at least one of them is going to be available when the giants pick assuming they don't move also giants could double dipping. Get another offensive Lineman cushenberry. The third is on the Board Matt. Hennessy is on the board them. Got Again the receivers. Levinsky Chenault is still there out of Colorado Got Denzel mims out of Baylor Michael Pittman out of USC if the giants WanNa add speed K. J. Hamblur out of Penn state and I haven't even gone over my head with the board open yet. That's just off the top of my head. Also t higgins. Is there at Clemson? The the number of really good receivers still available is pretty impressive. Now the question is can the giants afford to wait on those receivers for the third round the end of the third round? Could they move back and possibly get the high third round pick? They are missing that they used to trade for Leonard Williams by looking at our board. You can see even if they moved back a little bit. There are going to be good players available if they stay right where they are. You talked about all of these defensive players and that's really catches my eyes. Gross MOTTOS WOULD FILL. Anita's an edge. Rusher Zach Bond. Is the one that we're really going to be eyeing here for. A potential option for them coming around the bend here in the second second round. If he's still available at thirty six I think the giants would be a static to to select Zach Bonner guy that they probably graded as a first rounder and has positional versatility and could fit. Well with what the giants need. They need a guy that has that past experience but then could use him as an off ball outside linebacker in this new multiple four three scheme that they're going to be coming up with Patrick Graham. So there's plenty of options for them to go with to go defense in the second round and then do they clean themselves up with taking a center like Matt Hennessy. In the third order they go receiver. There're a lot of options for them to go here and honestly taking Andrew Thomas Fills. That need is the first time in a while that they've spent a high draft pick on an offensive. Lineman. And now we're in a position for the giants to still take a really really talented. Yeah this is a very deep draft class at a number of positions and they can still go out there and take someone that is going to come in and step in and likely start in contribute at a very very high level folks thank for Tuning in as always be sure to rain. Subscribe wherever you're listening to US Also be sure to follow since social media at big move you ask. Joe deleon. An at Raptor M. K. I will be giving you yet. Another reaction coming to you following rounds two and three on day two. Are you troubled by strange hockey traits in the middle of the night do you experience feelings of dread about NHL Free Agency? Have you or your family ever seen it New York islanders game? If the answer is yes then don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts. From espy nation. Today are courteous. Inefficient hosts are ready to serve. All of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans.

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The Chris and Joe Show: Day 3 of the 2020 NFL Draft

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18:51 min | 7 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show: Day 3 of the 2020 NFL Draft

"Are you troubled by strange? Hockey trades in the middle of the night. Do you experienced feelings of dread about. Nhl Free Agency. Have you or your family ever seen in New York islanders game if the answer is yes? Don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts. From espy nation today are courteous and efficient hosts are ready to serve. All of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans only three of the NFL draft has wrapped up officially rounds. Fort through seven are now in the books. Giants had a TON OF DRAFT. Pick selecting a out of mount of linebackers and defensive backs. We're going to recap that all for you here on the Kristen. Joe Show presented to you by estimation and big Lou view. I'm Joe deleon. Joined by Chris as I said. The giants had a lot of draft picks to make moves here on day. Three were they selected four linebackers which is eight one for them to decide to fill that position of need. We were talking about Chris how they were needing to take linebackers early on we wanted Isaiah Sims. That didn't end up happening. And it seems like on Day Three. Their goal was let's and get four of them. Wanted Isaiah Simmons. We wanted to sack on. Wanted Troy a whole bunch of other linebackers? On the first two days we were interested in and then the six hundred along and they've got him and just as you know what I'm going to draft all of the linebackers every linebacker left. I will take. That's kind of where we are now. This whole run in the seventh round where he went linebacker linebacker. Db linebacker. We're GONNA fill you guys. In on. All those players were selected. They also managed to take yet another offensive lineman before we get to that Lineman or the first player that they selected in the fourth round pick one ten was darnay homes cornerback out of UCLA but of a smaller corner here. Chris Five Foot ten one ninety five but had a really fast forty at the combine. Four four eight. So talented player has some athleticism. And I think that it's pretty quick and easy for us to assume here that he's GonNa fit likely as a as the Nickel Corner Slot. Cornerback for this giants. Defensive if he can win that starting job I think he. That's where they're going to try him. I in the kind of long time between the hundred and tenth. Picking The hundred fiftieth pickles able to find some tape on Darnay homes. I hadn't watched him in my draft. Pick up but I did. I did get to watch him. During the draft does have good linear athleticism. You can see the intelligence. They were talking about on the broadcast yet. He does process information quickly. He reacts quickly the problem he might run into as a SLOT CORNER. Or as a cornerback in general. He has some stiff hips at the time watching him. Do you remember the Nineteen Eighty Nine Batman movie with Jack? Nicholson and Michael Keaton. Do you remember watching Michael Keaton? Try to turn turn in the bat suit. That's a little bit what he looked like. So I'm they'll try them at slot corner. Hopefully he will stick there because the giants desperately need one. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him. Maybe find his way to being a free safety because he does have that speeds that should give him range and maybe being over top that would let him use his intelligence and processing speed and he can trigger downhill very quickly and he does have a good closing burst and he is a really sound tackler for a college. He doesn't do any of those shoulder tax. At least that I saw on tape next Puerta. They took Chris was the one hundred fiftieth overall selection in the fifth round. A bit of a surprising. Move Again Chris. We keep saying surprising. It just seems so redundant at this point because every move that Dave gettleman made in. This year's draft was very unexpected and I can't argue at this decision to completely bolster the offensive line. I made a joke on the previous show that he's going to go ahead and go grab another guy and he went ahead and did that. It's like Dave Gettleman was listening in and he knew that I was cracking a joke about that. Well he wouldn't got Shane. Lemieux guard from Oregon. Six foot four three ten at the combine. He ran a five one one which isn't bad for a guard. A twenty five point five inch vertical which is not much explosiveness and then one hundred seven inch broad. Actually I was talking about this on instagram. Live Chris how I thought this Sheen Lemieux guard pick was because they missed out on bail and they were thinking themselves maybe we can bump him inside the center. If you actually go to lemieux's social media there's a bunch of videos of him while he was doing his combine prep of him snapping so he. He's been practicing. He's been working on that. I'm sure they had that conversation with the Mu that he's saying to him well can can you snap. Can you work on this? If we decide to take you and I'm sure that's going to be a part of the game plan here going forward. Yeah and I think if he gets on the field early in his career it will be a senator. Yeah I I like him at Guard. I I liked his tape. He's kind of just a country. Strong Mahler of a guard yet. He doesn't have a whole lot of rain. He isn't terribly quick but when he can just square up on somebody get his hands on him. He can put defenders on the ground which was kind of fun to watch especially in that Oregon offense it will be interesting to see if he can transition to center especially in this very unconventional offseason. And preseason we are about to have yet. I'm sure lemieux is going to continue to keep working on that because as we spoke about at the beginning of the draft before it happened how the giants need to go grab a center. We spoke about on this show before day to at the very end of the day. One show how the giants should go and get a center during that span. Getting Matt Hennessy. Dish cushioned Mary. Those guys were gone and then we also even talked about it yesterday. When we finished up with the day to recap show saying that will be auditions. Stolen the board. They need to go out and get that center. They didn't have that pick now. They have the mu who there may be an appropriate try and move over or he'll be a developmental piece. The other pick that they had in this draft. The third one was that pick one eighty three in the sixth round that ended up being penn state outside linebacker Cameron Brown six foot five to thirty three. He is a huge outside linebacker. Chris thirty four inch arms to this is incredible length for a linebacker rent. Four seven to forty sixteen bench reps and then. A THIRTY. Five inch vertical. Chris what did you see from him on tape with this gigantic frame that he's bringing to this? Giants defense is a really mobile linebacker for a big guy. Honestly he kind of reminds me of Leonard Floyd and Lorenzo Carter when they were at Georgia. He isn't the same kind of athlete that they are. You know he's not gonNA be running a four five. We saw that but he does have that long very very flexible. Very fluid frame and he has the ability to play in space. He could be an intriguing option to match up on some tight ends. You'll probably need some development before he gets on the field consistently. He's really kind of a generalist right now. He does have some bursts to come down hill. And play the RON OR BLITZ. The quarterback he does have some mobility in fluidity to play in space. But he's kind of a Jack of all trades master of none right now so the the giants are going to have to work with them. Find out what he is. Best at work to really develop that and that frame athleticism is really intriguing and if they can find what his niche is and get him on the field that this could be a good value. Pick for them. It's a good point that you made. There is not really a master of anything but still has some really good base traits. That's the kind of guy you're looking for here. In the in the sixth round is to get a guy that has a really good base to build up from and work with. And maybe you don't turn them into a defensive starter but you can still grow and develop a guy like Cam Brown into some type of a rotational piece. Maybe he doesn't work out. It's kind of low. Risk low risk low reward in this situation. Chris we've got four more picks to wrap up today's show before we get to them. We're GONNA take a very short commercial break. The giants had four seventh round selections. A crazy amount of seventh round picks. I think it was the most out of any single team. And then they wrap things up very nicely with Mr Irrelevant. Pretty much could have been anyone that they picked their that was going to be one of their undrafted. Free agent players just a matter of who they wanted the most but the first player that they took early on in the seventh round was continuing this trend of edge linebacker bigger style outside linebackers that being Carter Coughlin from Minnesota Edge prospect at two eighteen. He's listed at six foot. Three two hundred and thirty six pounds and a ran a four five seven fortieth. Nfl comment also. Thirty six inch vertical. So Chris you you were talking to canal or Invictus also rather During the draft in Utah. Pretty interesting. Comprom- yeah he basically saying okay. Coughlin is listed as an edge. But he's kind of like a poor man's backbone and I kind of have to agree with that similar size similar level similar Athlete coughlan is a high work ethic high motor player again like Bon. He's got some ability to play in space. He does have some ability to play downhill. Rush off the edge. Maybe be a blitzer. Maybe you could do some games with him where you send him on an gap blitz and try to match that speed up with a center or a guard I think of all the picks today Carter. Coughlin is my favorite. And he's one eight. I had kind of had my eye on as a potential legem throughout this throughout the process. It really comes officer super hard working kid out of Minnesota. He does have a similar build to Zach bond because he's not super big. He's only about two hundred thirty six pounds around two forty. That's not really what you're looking for an edge prospect and a pass rusher so they'll probably make some sort of conversion to outside linebacker if I if I were to assume just based on how big is unless they tell them. Hey you gotta get up to fifty so you can fit in play as a pass rusher. But that wasn't where they were done though with taking linebackers because the next pick which was picked to thirty eight ended up being TJ Brunson linebacker from South Carolina. So they went back to actually three straight picks rather with linebacker style players here and I it seems like that they were really intent on bolstering that linebacking core in that past Russian all of those position groups. Yeah Fronton is I believe. He was a two year captain at South Carolina really well regarded as a leader from what I've been able to find out about him. I'm not sure what his role is going to be on the if he's going to have a role he might be a special teams as switch with. Joe Judge in charge or at least as the head coach. You have to imagine that a lot of these guys late in the draft. They were taken with an eye towards special teams and from what I did see on tape from Brunson. He does have a good closing burst. He does move well in space. He Plays Hard on defense. He's going to have to work on his recognition and processing. He kind of fell for misdirections and quarterbacks looking off with there is a little too often I saw him make a few too many false steps as an inside linebacker. And that's something you really have to work on if you'RE GONNA be playing defense in the NFL. But I could see him as a core special teamer. Maybe maybe this team's version of Chase Blackburn. Dave gettleman decided to take a short break from drafting linebackers at two. Forty seventy two. Cornerback Chris Williams out of Minnesota. So we've to Minnesota players coming to the New York giants through this draft. Six foot two. Oh five and then Chris. They wrapped it up at two fifty-five MR irrelevant with linebacker take crowder out of Georgia. Six foot three to thirty five and relatively productive in his time at Georgia. So that was a pretty interesting decision here to go pretty much most the offense in the beginning of the draft and then very defensive heavy especially in the seventh round. Yeah I really do. Think the these guys maybe with the possible exception of Coughlin or drafted primarily with an eye towards the special teams and linebackers. Cornerbacks maybe you could explain it better than I can but they tend to make pretty good special teams players. Does the other used to hitting people as opposed to wide receivers who are used to catching the ball in not getting hit would probably at least prefer to not get hit. Maybe the giants are just kind of hoping to reinforce their special teams first. And then if one of these guys can develop maybe they can find their way onto the field on defensing. Come come away with a late round Jim in Chris. The one thing. That was really interesting for us here and we were. We were discussing before the show that it was very linebacker. Heavy Day Day three. It was very defensive back not super heavy but it was You know there are two defensive backs taken and then finally another linemen and despite us saying the fact that there are a ton of really talented receivers. In this year's draft class the giants still managed to not take a single one and that was really surprising to the both of us that they they decided to go against that. And it's not. You could make the argument that receiver the biggest need for the giants but at the very least with a historic year for depth that the receiver position. You'd think they would have. At least taken one guy that could have been a developmental style fourth option for this receiving group. Yeah and I make the argument that wide receiver actually is a need for this team. We said this a couple times during the run up to the draft debt. We both expected them to take receiver at some point. Just because almost anytime you come up on the board a wide receiver was going to be the best player this wide receiver class yet. We don't know that if any of the top guys are going to be like Julio Jones or Aj Green were when they came into the League or completely shake up the NFL universe like Odell Beckham did when he came into the League but the top guys are all really good and there was just so much depth and it is honestly surprising that the Chinese came away with no receivers drafted and also not offensive tackles drafted for once the actually the first time in a long time. The giants have drafted defensive tackle. And this goes back to Jerry Reese. They always draft defensive tackles. It's Kinda surprising. They didn't and just the positions that got drafted. They really concentrated on loading up on offensive. Lineman cornerbacks more defensive backs and linebackers. That was pretty much their entire draft. Yeah they really kept everything so tight with those three position groups of the that was really it that was all they were going for was attacking those weaknesses. We talked about the whole off-season how they were weaknesses. And instead of going out there and getting you know one guy to fill this need guy to fill that need and then maybe one got add depth over here. They just straight up attacked all three of those areas of need and filled it with as many talented trait bass players as they could have your decent ability to step in playing. Some of these guys are going to be high upside players that have a little bit of risk to them yet and I have to say it was also a little bit surprised. The giants didn't come away with a natural center before the draft. Dave Gettleman said that the center position was a pressure point for them and we had heard throughout the draft that yet they liked Matt. Hennessy they could been targeting Tyler Lloyd cushenberry Berry and it seems like every time a pick up okay. This has to be the center. They decided to go somewhere else in. Wait on a center and then that center would get drafted just before the giants next. Pick all right. That is going to be it for us here on the Kristen Joe. Show thank you for tuning in everyone. Be sure to rate and subscribe wherever you are listening to us. Also be sure to follow us on Social Media. You can follow us big blue view. You can also follow Chris at Raptor M M K. I and you can also follow me at. Joe deleon tune in for our next show where we will be giving fictional analysis on the NFL draft giving you a full breakdown of everything that happened coming next week. Are you troubled by strange? 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AP Draft Show - A Mock Draft ahead of the Draft Guide (Ep. 7 of 2020)

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27:58 min | 8 months ago

AP Draft Show - A Mock Draft ahead of the Draft Guide (Ep. 7 of 2020)

"More warmer own very merry draft. Missed to you. Thank you for joining us today. My Name's Ken Swanson. This is the draft show. It is the last. Ap draft show before you guys get to see all of our work. This is the last episode before the case he draft guide releases. So you're going to get you'RE GONNA. You're a ton of stuff from us. Moving forward twenty three days of draft. Mrs Started Getting Twenty. Three straight days of prospect previews all month of April. That's already kicked out a lot stuff going on here to help me talk about this this upcoming NFL draft. I my dear pal find him on twitter at Jacob Morally Jake Stack. Hello my friend. How are you today? What's going on? Hey Man I'm doing good hanging in there this is all done. We're just getting final touches on this draft Guy Kinda just to piggyback on. What you said. We're real excited for people to see it. It looks really good. It's going to be great so to talk more about that. The man who shaved a mustache to sell guides last week in A. I'm here to tell you. He still has a mustache. Mr Barlow Hop and self crates out. How you doing man? I'm doing fantastic. The draft guide is almost here. You guys will have it your hands. It's going to be great. I assure you it's going to be great to have you haven't bought it. Go Buy it first of all and if you have bought it spend all day Monday reading it. You will not regret it at all. Isn't that right? Our final final hosts at Chief Carolina. Matthew Lane isn't that right Mattie. I'll just happy that I finally be the closer here like I finally Gita disclose this intro on L. Like I feel like I finally made it the draft guys coming out of already riding high. You guys just introduced me last night last to walk onstage stage the the big ticket so to speak to Kevin Garnett. Don't yell at me in the back by an invisible guy but enough do is go to draft guides or it is done. We're just getting the finishing touches on it. These guys are putting a lot of hard work on it Four went out for me. Only having chromebooks not being able to help quite as much as they are. But you know they're getting a lot done for you guys at once you get it. I know you guys are automated robot all the way through. Why don't you be the one to drop the link today while you dropped the link to the draft guide? It's your turn. It's my turn. Yeah you know. I don't know this off the top of my head. You're aware good thing. I put literally right in the rundown. I don't have the rundown. Oh of course all right go to Gum da pig. This is the last week on a draft. So you don't WanNa be the last one selected Mr Irrelevant Mattie Lane over there. Who doesn't know the code? How many Mr Relevance can you name and how many thirteen picks in the sixth round can you? Dave Jake Tom Brady. This is a rally up taken over go to Gum. Dot Co Slash. Casey draft guide. Twenty twenty two. That's the link to get the graph guide you can see write ups on the site are on my on my twitter account you can see the cover on my twitter account at underscore. Swanson okay. So we're GONNA do a perfect scenario mock draft today I. We're going to try something that we haven't tried since training camp. Matlin has a game if you remember how the training camp game went. It was tough we had to do like. We had to spell in our heads to answer questions about which receiver was going to have more success. Matt Healer. You did not do a very good job of Scott the floor is yours matthew. Good luck state. This for the end of the show is what we should've done. This is a fun. Twist on a classic game. We're just GONNA call this trait up for stand pat for or pass on entirely and we got three rounds. We got three prospects in each round. You guys are going to go down the list if you look at the very specific rundown that can't has mentioned already. You'll know which order you guys are answering these questions. But our first question round one would you trade up for stand pat for or pass on these three receivers Denzel Minamata Baylor Brandon IOC at a Arizona. State in t higgins at Clemson. You have to pick one for each category. You are up first Craig on trade note for mims. I'm standing pat for tea and I'M PASSING ON TO CRAIG. Komo J. ignited identical. That's that's obvious obvious. Good T. is like a bath and you get a football by this is so far. It's the big guys good. What if I put down about people's Jones in there instead of Brandon? I since the exact same player I would stay out. I would stand pat for for Donvan People's Jones People's Champ gave the People's elbow we're moving on removing on. This isn't around too so this is a pick sixty three right now. Would you trade up for stand pat for a pass on me Harrison linebacker Bohio State Willie Gay Junior linebacker out of Mississippi State? Big Logan Wilson linebacker out of Wyoming. Okay trading up for me. I'm standing pat for big logo. Wilson and I am saying goodbye to Willie Gay Junior. Just 'cause I don't know if I can trust him. This is a better question because linebackers don't matter so I guess I would trade up home for me is he's only act I would. I would stand at for for junior and I would say by two logging. Wilson can I pass on all of them designed specifically for you to trade up for a linebacker of your choosing? I'm going to trade up for the athlete than trading for Willie Gay Balik Harrison. Stan Pat for and I'll pass on Logan Wilson in round to adjust the values. Not Right. This is only gave us one round. Two player did did question. This one is a defensive backs question in round three right where the chiefs most likely take their first off the board. So would you trade up for stand pat on or completely pass on Michael? Oj media out of Iowa? Tyrrell BURGESS OUT OF UTAH or a Meek Roberts said Atlantic I would trade up. Give me the three guys again already. Forgotten Burge's might Judea a Meek Robertson I would trade for Burgess. I would stand pat for Iowa Kid emoji Buddha and I would I would. I would wave goodbye to a Meek Robertson there so I don't know if he would see me short if I were to stack them in a line so I would be like standing in a single file line. First Movie Burgess. Second would be I kid. Third would be a Meek Roberson but he probably won't senior way the atom. If he was he he's he's the only one of them to punch. You want you own media. I'm trading up for especially in the chiefs scheme I think I'm GonNa Stand Pat for Burgess just because SPAGNOLO use him as a safety and a corner. Don't dislike a Meek Robertson that much. I'm not high on him like Mattie is but I think that he's going to be strictly a slot corner. Maybe a little bit of safety transition there but burgess can already do that so I'm staying pat for him. Okay I've trading approach Moody A-. Actually I kind of feel like anything from like ninety six on Oj. Moody is like I feel. Like if you're GONNA take wait till around three for a corner. Oj Moody is very much in play. I'm standing pat for me. The freak and Tyrrell Burgess. I'm just GonNa Pass on just because I'm so salty that I saw someone. Knock Tyrrell Burgess to the chiefs at thirty two within the last two weeks. Someone has mocked Tyrrell Burgess to the chiefs at thirty two. And I just can't do that. We're GONNA mock somebody different at thirty two here so you guys came away with this perfect Kansas City chiefs draft with Denzel mims Balik Harrison in Michael Judea. That's not perfect. This is honestly I honestly. I don't hate it I don't love it I love it but only hate it. Let's let's let it was said that was the that was the game. Losers can't because he wanted despite spelling game from training camp and big I think jake pronunciation of names is GonNa make it though the winter -gratulations shake nice. He was very very arbitrary. It's like who's line. Is it anyway like no points for random reasons because Jake pronounced? Oh Judah funny great. Let's go ahead and move onto this. He's naming no you still name. It's a hard name. I would try to go to this. Mock draft for a minute. Now can we please go? Let's do it. This is also give all right. Let's go ahead and let's what we did. Is We kinda laid out. What we think might be the perfect scenario for the Kansas City chiefs. Basically not. It's not. It's still realistic. But it's not like it's like some things going right for them and falling in a scenario that is pretty nice for them and at thirty two in the perfect scenario for the Kansas City chiefs. They select linebacker. Patrick Queen out of LSU CRAIG IS. Are you streaking in the streets? Are you breaking? Are you breaking your quarantine? If this happens I'm tempted to do it right now. And we're just barely talking about. Maybe doing it yes. You finally get a will linebacker. That can move. You finally get a will linebacker. That can cover. You don't have to worry about being beat on the outside stretch runs or worry about running backs and tight ends getting you and Coverage Patrick. Queen just helps complete the front seven so much better than the chiefs have had over the past few years. He makes them significantly better. Patrick Queen is the picture. Perfect pick for the chiefs at thirty two and I think the way free agency played out. It's not completely unrealistic. These there anymore. You'RE GONNA get him or Kenneth Murray most likely off the board it just all depends on what kind of linebacker the teams in front of the chiefs. Decide they want and if they can get Patrick Queen when he's the coverage he's the athleticism he's sideline to sideline Ritchie's everything. The cheese are missing linebacker right now and you can go back and watch all these linebackers. I think between me Harrison and Patrick those two guys that read the feeling the run the best those two guys probably have the best instincts read. What's going on in front of a better than everybody else. I think. That's Kinda wild. Given Patrick loons limited experience so his ceilings only just sky high. You pick him thirty. Two at yet. Pants are also mmediately. If you're chief's fan so as a non chief's Fan I'm ecstatic about this. Pick as well. Because I've already said wants linebackers. Don't matter and the fact that now the chiefs offense is what really worries me if going into Kansas City. I'm worried about them hanging fifty on me. I'm glad that their offense thinking you'd better. I'm glad they decided not to get anyone to protect their young. Mvp quarterback so yeah great big for Kansas City. Patrick Green Roll with it. Run with it. Imagine what would happen if we had a linebacker that could run with air jobs? I don't think the packers could be Matt Moore. They couldn't have wouldn't have happened because that was the biggest problem I don't see I don't speak in hypotheticals. I think Patrick Weeds. There's not a better scenario especially since. I think there's a large cliff after guys like Patrick. Queen Kenneth Murray and even like Kenneth Murray like I'm not even completely sold that like it's GonNa make a lot of sense for the chiefs. I think Queens. I think Queens perfect. Let's go to pick sixty three interior offense of Linemen Matt Hennessy Outta Temple. The chiefs are protecting him. Jake matter what you think so. He's no Cesar Ruiz. He's definitely more limited to center. He's a little bit more athletic. He's probably not going to dominate a one on one match ups whether the run or pass protection quite as well but the terms of pure movement skills his ability to get out on the edge. His help in pass protection is a right up there. It's pretty close. I really like Matt. Nfc for a scheme that's going to ask him to get out of the move like not every off blocking scheme uses a center out in space that she still do. There'd be a huge upgrade going from Austin Rider On the screen game that The getting those outside zone reaches and pole. So I'm really like to see the chiefs. Get back to some of the stuff they were able to do with Mitch. Morris Make Bat INNOC- would allow them to do that. Yeah I don't think he's as top tier movement skills is a guy like Mitch Morris. But I do think he moves very well. I think he's flexible. He's agile good grip strength. Good core strength recovers really well when he gets. Beat off the line of scrimmage when when allows people into his chest he's still able to recover I came away. I've said this came away very impressed by him at the senior bowl I think he really helped his draft stock. I'm a big fan of Hennessy's would love to see him in Kansas City. Let's put our analytics hats on Real Quick K. owner. So let's talk about some stats. Passionate homes is starting. How many years too? So is the fifty percent of his seasons. He's done what won. Mvp Super Bowl. That's really impressive. Right but also in fifty percent of his seasons. He struggled with injuries so way to go win. Finally the someone that's GONNA HELP HIM UP FRONT. He'd him upright not let him take especially from right in front of his face. So I really like this pick Matt Hennessy. At sixty three I think any time you are taking someone that's GonNa protect your franchise. It's a smart pick especially when that players Hansi and it's just like this is just quite frankly show related football player anyway so I love this. Pick your looking over everything. This is my second favorite pick in this perfect rat who yeah We have said a couple of times. Now that Andy Reid and the chiefs are probably looking at an interior offensive lineman early and this would fit that kind of criteria here and he is a damn good one. You're partnering Your Simmer. With your quarterback of the future just had these guys ride out the next ten years together and know that you're just GonNa have an anchor there in a familiarity all right. Let's move on to pick ninety six and it's a familiar name. It's a name you've heard about since last year. Cornerback Bryce Hall. Out of Regina falls because of the medical concerns in this perfect scenario coming off a broken ankle not getting to do medical checks not really getting to do much. You know before. The combine in the pre-draft process any of that stuff. The cheesecake great value. Pick Ninety six. Yes yes they do and a guy that fits very well into what Steve Spagnolo GonNa do a zone heavy scheme. A lot of shuffle bail. Bryce hall has great ball skills. He's aggressive in isn't afraid to drive on everything underneath and lay hits underneath. He's a smart players well. Any athletic limitations are going to be able to be hidden by Steve spag Noemi. We saw it with the shod. Berlin chart various ward guys aren't top tier athletes at the position. The chiefs were able to put together a really good secondary that had those guys in their Bryce Hall upgrade over. Those guys win healthy. I think personally so I think you get him in house. Allow him to develop knowing that you can kinda ride out his injury a little bit and get a flare that you can kinda have as a linchpin cornerback to your annual. Bryce Hall is going to be one of those guys. That's going to take a hit for not we'll do. The medical is not being with all the all season stuff and the chiefs are absolutely gonNa be our beneficiaries of that here at ninety six. He really has no business going this late. I do believe that if he would've checked off all those boxes with his medicals and all that stuff you really You're looking at maybe a top sixty type players ninety six. This is a really really good value for Kansas City and surrealistic value to and my craig already hit on this. This is just a fantastic schematic fit in Kansas City as well. I think this is a pretty realistic spot price hall. You have no athletic testing. Not every team's going to build a completely clear medicals like I just think that this is a spot that makes sense. It's not the highest individ- ranged probably in the lower ranges. I think bryce whole kind of router wounded the beginning to that. Everybody was getting hyped up for in that was under the impression that he was going to be able to be healthy. And you could prove yourself. Maybe Tesla bit no-testing no medical given the situation. He's probably gonNA slide a little bit. I think there's GonNa be a very specific scheme fit. I think there is going to be teams. That just cross him his place out completely off their board almost because he does not the most fluid change of direction ability. You're probably not putting him at any kind of Mayon heavy scheme. The chiefs play a lot of zone. They're gonNa let him be physical. The line of scrimmage light guys that are big physical have good ball skills. Bryce hold checks. All of those marks is long as they feel comfortable with his ankle. He's a guy that should definitely be in the target and I think this is the perfect range kind of look for them to go after. Hashtag Thornhill Hall Twenty Twenty Baby. Get the teammates back together. Baby would love to see its. Y'All know what I think about. Bryce all you know I mean especially being Craig but we think about price hall so all right. Pick one thirty eight. The chiefs go with a wide receiver that has had some struggles with the pre-draft process with as his athletic testing with the tapes could wide receiver. Quinn Ted this Outta Wisconsin Jake. And this is my favorite pig of of the draft for the chiefs. I think this is going to come in. And he's one of the receivers that he's going to provide something that Kansas City doesn't have right now at the receiver position. They got speed upon speed appliance. Speed see vis came out ran a four five at his pro day. And that's probably really where he is He is the type of guy that will run through your face as well like he is a pit bull with the dog with the ball on his hands. So I don't think the Kimsey really has a guy like that that is just ask physical as he is and is physical when the balls in the air so I really like this fit in Kansas City. I think he would add something. Just another dimension to that offense which is terrifying the thing with seafood as you watch them play and you probably come away thinking this means six three two hundred twenty five pounds. He's playing Brandon Marshall and his prime like throwing guys the top of the stem. He's hitting guys with clubs. Off The line of scrimmage. It's almost not completely off balance and he came into the Columbine only waited A little over six foot about two hundred five pounds but that's almost even better just because that industrial estate he just had decent change of direction skills. He's not the fastest. He's not quickest but he can't Change Directions. He's very explosive. Jumps were very good. Is Ten yard. Split was good so he does have a little bit of athleticism. He's not just this big lumbering guy. But where he went into just that physicality he brings it from blinders scrimmage with his releases to top of the route stem and then at catch point after the catch. He's just playing physical. Twenty four seven. He's probably one of my favorite wide. Receiver prospects watched in this entire class. I was glad he got to do his pro day before everything. Shut down because you could just see. His form at the combine just was not very good so get that laser time for it in the four five. That really helps his draft stock in the cheese could get him a day. Three key would be a perfect guy to fill in for saving Watkins this year or next year. Yeah he he will body a defensive back it is. It's great I had to watch a bunch of big ten cornerbacks this year and I watched them against him. Almost every single one of them and almost every single one of them got just beat up all game long. He's explosive he's big. He will run through you. Good luck trying to alter him from getting to the ball. He's just he just tenacious and so he's really fun to watch. I think he's a great fit opposite of tyreek Hill. And McCall Hardman. Guys that can stretch guys with that speed. You get a guy who's just going to be fearless and a bulldog going after the ball underneath. Good Changes Direction. You know good enough changes direction explosion. That's that's perfect in this offense. Well you can put them. On the line of scrimmage and that gives you a little bit more flexibility there a guy that you can trust. Put on the line of scrimmage and beat press. I mean. He's going to be able to do that on whether or not able to gain consistent separation this questions there but I think he wins it to catch point well too. So there's still a path of success even if he's not able to create a ton of separation down the field. Yeah I mean physical player is going to be able to play that extra for the chiefs. All right let's go ahead last. Pick one seventy eight. We are doubling up on cornerback. We're going Stanley. Thomas Oliver Out of Florida International Craig had his arm up a second ago in celebration. Yes I would. I love Dantley homeless Oliver as a late developmental corner. He's long with ridiculously good ball skills and he is very explosive. He's hard to throw over as shallow zone defender. I've seen him deflect and intercept multiple passes where he's just sinking far enough to make quarterbacks have to make a perfect throw and they didn't and he made them pay. He is aggressive as well. He just is a SPAGS TYPE CORNER. That's long and has enough athleticism as a project. He just needs a little refinement. Needs a little work. You bring him in here. Put Him understand Madison. Knowing that you've got a guy that you can put on the boundary here in the future things. Don't go well. There's injuries you can rely on Stanley. Thomas Oliver later in the season and then after the season Charis Ward and whoever it is that they may bring in here if they bring in a guy and a one year deal are both out of contract. You've got Bryce Hall Dayton Thomas Oliver there that you can maybe have going forward into the future. They're on a rookie deal. Yeah I think that's your lottery ticket type Guy Right there. And he's just a guy that you're gonNA bring in Probably not going to get out of in his rookie. Or maybe you do. But he's really the guy that you want in your room has every tool to start in the NFL in via via starting caliber. Cornerback so I think at one seventy eight he. He's a a really fun. Pick with a ton of upside on. It would be really fun selection Kansas City. If you're taking bryce whole especially if you're not bringing me the corners I really do think you need to supplement with another guy just because that room is so thin right now. You don't know for sure where Bryce Hall is. This injury a don't think there's a huge margin of air with Bryce Hall in the NFL. Either with a little bit limit athleticism. So I do think you gotta come back with another Corner Stanton Thomas. Oliver also fixed the chiefs scheme. Pretty well he's got that linked the ball skills. He's still developing a lot more in terms of his technique per device. All but I'd say he has a definitely a higher upside. If everything in the world starts to click and even it's not he's just a guy that can come out. There is a body that fits the mold looking for. I do like where his potential could be getting him in this room with some of these guys. These coaches around here could really help have reached his highest potential. Yeah I was kind of go. I was going to kind of go with the diversification aspect that Mattie Kinda you Kinda if you're GonNa Take Bryce Hall with the Andrew Concerns. You probably need to be mindful of that. And maybe try to add. Cornerback CRAIG I do. Have one question for you. Just just a hypothetical real quick before we get out of here at pick ninety six. It's it's it's it's April. Twenty four th pick ninety-six the Kansas City chiefs. Select quarterback Stan Thomas. All RADHA Florida International. What are you thinking? What are you saying? I'm saying they got They got a little bit of steel. Now I do think that's probably his draft ranch. Maybe even a little bit later but I'm higher on him than that at night and think he's astill. Oh in ninety six. I thought you were talking about once. You know sorry sorry. Sorry sorry sorry I was asking too early so okay how. This part is that Shoe early I I don't. I don't like him there because I don't think you get anything out of him year. One and he needs a lot of refinement. That's an asset that you're spending early on a player that you're going to have to teach a lot too and I know that that's a lot of guys in this cost but I don't think that he's such a supreme athlete or anything like that. He doesn't have a linchpin that you can hang on to try and get him on the field early as third round guy. He's just GonNa take some work. Yeah I just wanted to throw that out there throw Koerbel. I mean honestly like this is going to happen. One of these guys that we value you know differently. He's GonNa wind up being a chief. This happens every year and one of them was speaks in. You know. We'll see Chris just kind of curious. Okay that's four. The AP draft show. Thanks for. Check US out. We will be back on Monday with the. Ap Laboratory desolate no matter.

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: GM Dave Gettleman previews Giants draft

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: GM Dave Gettleman previews Giants draft

"Podcast listeners. We are amazing avenue. The espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris McShane in every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue audio the show. We try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. And let's go mets. Hello giants fans and welcome to a new edition of the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue view radio part of your SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine a big blue view coming to you on Saturday April. Eighteenth less than a week prior to the upcoming two thousand twenty. Nfl draft. This is really a special edition of the show. It's a weekend edition prior to the draft couple of things for you today. I we're going to play for you some clips from Dave cattlemen's Friday conference call his pre-draft conference call. We played for you some clips earlier in the week of a conference call in which John Dave Gentleman spoke about free agency and about some of the organizational changes about the structural changes the way the giants have had to do business because of the covert nineteen shutdown of all of the NFL offices So this was gettleman. Second availability of the week is second conference called this one specifically related to the giants in the NFL draft which is as we said which is coming up in a few days a few takeaways that I wanted to mention before we play those clips. First and foremost gettleman said that he would very seriously entertain the idea of trading down from number four. We know that something. That Dave gettleman in seven drafts has never done. This is a really good situation for the giants a good spot for the giants if someone wants to come up and get that number four pick. Obviously with four offensive tackles who are pretty equally graded on a wide variety of opinion as to. Who's number one and who's number four so you any pretty much? Any of those offensive tackles would be an upgrade for the giants over what they currently have on their offensive line so the giants are in a good spot there if someone does want to move up in Miami or the. La chargers possibly the Carolina Panthers personally. That's about as far as I see the giants moving down. Miami has the fifth pick chargers. Have the panthers have the seventh thick? I doubt that Dave gettleman who has said before that he really doesn't like to trade too far for the simple reason that that you you take yourself out of the mix for players that you might want so number seven Carolina's probably about as far as I think that the giants would go but I do believe that gettleman east serious about possibly moving that pick in picking up a An additional day to draft. Pick something that he can use to to continue to build out the A- the roster as the giants try to try to improve after winning just nine games the past two seasons. `nother thing that that I have been saying consistently and I said earlier in the week after after his Monday conference call. I'm more and more convinced all the time that the giants are going to go often to tackle with their first. Pick whether that's at number four whether it's a little bit lower down as long as one of those four guys is available. I think the giants are going to do that. Rather than take Clemson linebacker. Isiah Simmons Gettleman talked on Friday about the necessity of opening holes for saquon Barkley About Keeping Daniel Jones upright about the idea that he hasn't yet been able to To completely finish rebuilding this offensive. Line something. They walked in the door at the end of the two thousand seventeen season saying that he absolutely needed to do and He said he would just keep building it that they would keep throwing assets at in. He was asked if there was pressure and he said maybe it is a little bit of a pressure point to to fix this offensive line so I fully expect that the giants will go offensive tackle with their first overall. Pick whether that's going to be Tristan wharfs of Iowa generic wills of Alabama MCI Becton of Louisville. I couldn't really tell you at this point Daniel Jeremiah of NFL NETWORK. Highly respected draft analyst. Well-connected was said the other day during conference call that he is becoming more and more convinced that the pick will be jed rick wills of Alabama which makes a lot of sense when you think about the The giants connections to Alabama Joe Judge worked for Nick Sabin for several years Burton Burns. Who is now? The giants running running backs coach was that Alabama for several years was even. Was there even. The last couple of years was hired away from Alabama. Several giants coaches have connections to nick. Sabin so you you would expect that. The judge said the other day that he'll be relying on those college connections or has been for information on players on guys that he trusts so in gettleman talked about that on Friday about how helpful that's been. He talked about Burns. So you would have to think that if the giants are in a coin flip you know between two of the the offensive tackles. Let's say tristen worth sent. And Jed Rick. Wills if they're in a coin flip perhaps the the information the insight their trust in whatever information they're getting from Nick Sabin in the staff at Alabama about Jed Rick Wills in a positive or a negative manner might be the determining factor as to. What the giants do there? That would not Not Be surprised at all in the in the current environment where the giants can't hold pro day or can't go to pro days where the can't hold visits at the facility where they can't meet these players face to face so We'll see how that turns out but as I said I remain pretty much convinced that the giants will go offensive tackle with their first overall. Pick on just a couple of other things that I wanted to talk about. I did ask Dave on Friday about the fact that this draft is so much different. There's so much less contact with players in although the giants are able to face time they're able to to do some of those things remotely but they can't work these guys out. They can't look them in the eye. They can't bring them into the facility. That can't go to pro days in. See them move around on the field so it's a little bit different. I asked Dave. This draft had kind of an old school feel to it because of that and he agreed that it did he he basically said it feels a little bit like the Nineteen Seventies. You know which is back. Maybe when he first started out in the business when when. Nfl teams drafted players without any real contact with them perhaps only with the scouting report. Maybe with some information you know from the from the college coaches. I'm not sure how much film was available for them to watch back at that time in. Probably some from the Colleges. Maybe whatever they saw on television but they were drafting with a lot less information. So we'll see if that plays into the Plays into the giants hands here. We'll see if there if that helps them. You know with the veteran guy like gentleman who's who cut his teeth in the scouting world still considers himself a scout lot of veteran scouts on the giants staff. So we'll see if if the old school nature of this draft actually turns out to benefit the New York giants you know when they have to select on Thursday Friday and Saturday anyway giants fans. Let's do this. I have two things for you today. I have the some audio clips from gentleman's press conference for you those will be Those were cut up by Joe. Daley owner of the Chris and Joe. Show what you'll hear are the clips from Dave with transitions provided by Joe. We thank him for that. After the after the interview with Gettleman. You'll hear an interview that I did with Scott. Right of draft countdown. As we preview. A lot of of what may or may not happen next week in the draft the NFL draft is now less than a week away. In general manager. Dave gettleman spoke to the media yet again twice in one week as you had assume a major storyline for the giants is the possibility of them. Trading back with quarterback needy teams wanting to hop up to take to a low of Alabama or Justin. Herbert of Oregon puts the giants in a really good opportunity at four. Four one of those teams to trade up into that spot. The media of course ask questions about the giants possibility of trading and also how they might approach it. It's GonNa happen very soon. You know I'm GonNa make call and You know anybody that wants to say listening when we don't have much time can't hold around and I'd like to get the brims of fields in Clayton place before you get on the clock. That would be the best thing. We're GONNA have a mock draft on on Monday. I'm sure you were on that and Belene interesting to see how it works and again it's a matter of it's really the big pieces the giants of coordinated with a approach the draft. I'm sorry trade cross. You know have to veteran guys on so I think you'll be fine Obviously as you get a third round you'll have five minutes it's GonNa be tight To try to do that. So you know to try to trace back our trade up. So we're GonNa what's going to happen is GONNA force everybody to do is is through deals before they picked up. So let's say this thing and discussion. Someone calls one gene girls. Don't WANNA TRADE UP. They go make a deal off the clock. And then if the guy is they're teaming up then go to concentrate the straight but go. I think a lot of time in war rooms. There's always a possibility for a power struggle between coaches and the general manager as well as the scouting department. Dave gettleman was asked about who the final decision would come down to. If there wasn't an agreement on who to take at various pick cattleman squashed that possibility of him having the final decision but rather it being a New York giants decision collaborative collaborative. We're not you know. Have you know we talk it through? Just talk it through. You know this is my craft drafted. I had a problem. We don't big difference of opinion with a coach. We GOT DETROIT. We discussed about coming to a consensus. It's coming to a contest in just you know when I you know wrestling society to who gets the away. No that's it's a consensus collaboration. And that's that's what the situation can addressing. The offensive line is yet again a pressing issue for this giants roster and Dave gettleman spoke a ton about the tackle class also seeking versatility. Not Being a major concern. When drafting tackles certainly doesn't hurt it's I think I mentioned it on Monday. This tackles throughout the draft. Who I'll be lot of we call it. There is a lot of talent. There isn't a doubtful guys. Played both absolute free zone quite once. Certainly not all Aba Japanese it and then you know you you know you work through a look at yourself whether it's just is no different than any other food whether you're left or whatever you just the guy so the answer. Your question versus stones really applause. But it's it's it's not a guy's not blow again while you know you you don't like you know my theory is very very difficult. Ultra say run the ball residence halls or difficult for Daniel rollerball. What he's honest back. So we're continuing to continue to and you know the offensive line. You know it's it's is it a pressure Corey Kluber great. I'm not going to deny that but it's see it's the right guy it's about not being I like. I said before you know. We think that they gave as bright future as office of line. No we only like Those good works was you know at by you. Know Peo- is coming back and hopefully he'll be ready to go with killing. It'll be okay. The phillies bite fight. You so we're just gonNA keep working and you know obviously are the same challenges that really actually the opposite wise just to talk change. It really does think volunteers that I've been with them. Guys just see the lies more until you think of those lines seven and eleven going be patriots okay. Those those groups have the toll and we'll do everything we can to make sure to replicate Isaiah Simmons outside linebacker from Clemson has been a reoccurring pick for the giants in mock drafts as well as speculation. On who the fourth overall pick might be the media asked gentleman about Isaiah Simmons and he spoke about how there are tons of players that have similar versatility play different positions every year in college football. Well what happened ally is? There's a lot of college players like that. A lot of guys that because the college games to different you know it's it's you know you know they say good kid with you. Know young man with a unique skill sets us him variety of ways. That maybe hasn't been before so the number of guy that are being used like this. You know a lot of them. Are you know you'd level offenders linebackers you know you you've seen that Some you know the they're mixing and matching deacons as as only in three point but also you know standing up as a two point so there's a lot of versus going on and what ways that people are using players is not what we what. I grew up with this short. Okay and you're seeing it. It's up to us to figure out how that player who's been in. What thing to me is an unconventional? It's up to us to figure out how the Cold Jay. This year's draft process in twenty twentieth so far from the typical norm that Dave gettleman compared what we're going through to what things used to be like back in the late seventies David Valley find permits be nation aside from the assigned technology. Aside from the fact that your home and deal with the technology with all the things that you guys have missed with pro days and all that is this more of an old school draft in terms of of the way you guys have to prepare for it and does does your experience in the the experience of your scouting staff really help in that regard. Hardy I said that I said that. Exactly like back to the you know Late seventies drafted with absolutely no contact with players. You know Day is is a little old school. I appreciate the personal touch points that we used to have. So what is going on scoring and I just think that you know really and truly at the end of the day. It's really all about what the kids those between the white lines. It's not about money around your underwear Gash on the standard. Doing HEARD HOPE THEY. Don't you know it's really play ball always school like that? That James Fans. Let's take a quick break for a word from our sponsors. When we come back I will play for you the interview that I did with Scott. Right of draft countdown giant fans. I'm joined now by a good friend of the program. That's Scott Right of draft countdown and we're as we're only a few days away from the two thousand NFL draft and Scott's here to To discuss the the various giants options coming up in a few days. Scott thank you very much for for spending some time odds my pleasure. Good me back with you. A I always know what's the time of the year. The dress getting closer we end up chatting so it's It's fun to talk. So so let's do that. I need to ask you you know every time I talked to somebody. Obviously there's a big focus on the on the offensive tackle position for the giants at number four and I know in your last mock draft. You had MCI Becton at four. I know you have another mock coming out soon. Be Your final mock for for this year. I'm almost dizzy trying to figure out. You know who thinks you what the actual rankings are in terms of of offensive tackles? What's your what's your take at this point. The offensive tackles and with less than a week to go before the draft. Your thoughts on you know if the giants are sitting there at four. Who's the guy that they should take? I still think you'd go with Dolphins Lineman. I think that's the way they will go and I think that's the way they should go in and a good argument could be made for Zeh Simmons. But I I mean both personally and logically. I think often the lines the way to go. I I'm a believer in building in the trenches. I think you can find as as talented. As as Simmons's I think you can find a comparable player to fill that role later on whether it's Jeremy Chin from southern Illinois round two or or later on I mean you can get linebackers To me it just doesn't make sense to to make number four overall type of investment in Simmons and gets closer. I'm even more dead set that the giants should take offense alignment in the first round. Because even though there's a lot of good blockers they're going to vote early and often we maya four in the top eleven overall picks and. I think we could've made eight in the first route. I mean that could be a quarter of the first round. Just offensive tackles and and maybe even throw in. Caesar we've stew from Michigan is another option to lyman. A third of the first round might be offensive alignment so So I think you have to get that offense lineman the first Sean because even though they have a early in the second round. I don't know that what's going to be left there. There will be some interesting options available on Day. Two but boy for the giants. Who need that player to come in? And be a stud right away. I WANNA I WANNA make sure I get that addressed the right away. And and the giants. We've talked about Ed over the years about how they have a type of what they're looking for where they like to build in it. I think an offensive lineman certainly fits that much better than a linebacker does so all these factors and one other factor throw into always. If you're dave gentleman who was the gentleman news very much thank on thin ice right now would probably be the nicest way of saying it. I think there's a couple factors that lead you towards towards a blocker First of all I mean if you take Isaiah Simmons there. You're essentially putting your fate into the hands of the coaches because his role and his impact is going to be determined by how the coach USA that it's kind of a double edged sword being that versatile Because so and then the other factor too is if you take offensive lineman. You know what you're getting. He's starting day one somewhere along the offensive line get instant impact and that also supports your other two big decisions which enrich draft Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones. So every way I look at this I come away thinking offensive. Tackle makes the most sense than you know. Like I said. I can make an argument for Simmons to And I'd even throw Derrick Brown on the defensive line from Auburn. Who was the last thing they need? But I think he's very much giants. Dave Elman type of player so that would be the dark horse. I I keep coming back to offense a lion and to me. It's more a question. Is it trysted worse or MCI Becton than it is. One of those guys were says I say assesment. So if the draft today my prediction would be tristen worth south stack from Iowa. But when shockwave they went with MCI Becton either he. It's interesting. I have to go back to something that you said there a minute ago. You said as many as eight offensive tackles in your mind could go in the first round. Obviously you've got worse. Becton Wills Andrew Thomas I would. I would think you're including Josh Jones of Houston in air Austin Jackson of USC. Maybe Ezra Cleveland of Boise State I'm just I'm just thinking here the Who who else would there be would be Lucas. Niang of of Tcu WOULD BE THE OTHER ONE. Even got the first seven Actually Lucas Neang from TCU. Who I personally love. I think he's GonNa be available on day re because of the medicals. Unfortunately I think he's a top fifty player in the strapping. If he's healthy. You have a Plug Played Day. One starter right tackle. But I think he's GonNa slide unfortunately Actually the eighth one I have in the first round. Possibility Is Isaiah Wilson for Georgia? Came out as a redshirt sophomore. Six three fifty He he had gone back for another year he might have been a top ten top twenty overall. Pick there's some who think he's got higher upside than Andrew Thomas Teammate. So Isaiah Wilson especially because you look at some of the teams late in first-round who could be in the market for a blocker weather to Seattle seahawks Tennessee. Titans he'd be a perfect fit for both of those teams. He's a big strong powerful guy and his best football still ahead of him so Isaiah Wilson was the eighth one. And you mentioned. Cleveland for Boise. State is maybe at this point. I don't think it's a question if he's going to the first round but how early I mean we're always looking for surprises in the draft. I mean it wouldn't shock me. If he was the tenth overall. Pick TO THE CLEVELAND Browns. They really liked him. I think he'd be more target if they traded down out at ten. But I will not be at this point. I'm thinking as Simmons has a really good shot to be a top twenty overall pick so one of the hottest teams in the draft right now and and I think he's going in the first and maybe a lot earlier than people expect. Wow you know the funny part about that is and you know. I've been making the case similar to what you've been saying. That for me specially with Daniel Jones and saquon Barkley having been there last two big investments that the giants primary responsibility in this draft is to make sure that they put an offensive line in front of those guys. You know who who can who can hold up. They didn't really do that. The final few years of ally Manning's career. I think it's it's it's incumbent upon them to do that in the funny part about as Cleveland is. I've heard a lot of people say well. They can get AZRA CLEVELAND AT THIRTY SIX. If they don't get a guy at four and obviously you know. I've been on it. Yeah you can't guarantee anything and it sounds like you're kind of hearing the same thing that that that even that second tier of offensive Lineman is going to be gone by thirty six. Yeah very could be and not necessarily. There's different scenarios where there still is one of these good blockers available at thirty six whether it be you know. Maybe Isaiah Wilson Georgia someone like that. But then I think there was a drop off and I and that's not say there are some talented guys in the next year to I mean Prince Tiga when Nago from Auburn is is physically. Talent is just about any blocker in this draft but Little round the edges. A little bit of a project which is why he's going to be a second or third round or even though you can make an argument he has first round. Talent Matt hurt from Yukon. I think is. We're GONNA be really intriguing blocker day to We mentioned kneeing a bent. Bartsch on the top small school prospects in this class from my neck of woods here at Saint. John's University in Minnesota really intrigued by him. I think he could be a day to pick. And then it really wild card in this to US CD Charles. Lsu who another guy like neon. You could make an argument. He's a top fifty talent but based on medicals and some off the field stuff he could be available early on day three so there's some good walkers it's not like if you don't take a blocker number four you're not gonNA get one but they all have question marks do. There's some talented guys with some upside. But they have question marks so But I would going into the draft the way things stand right now. I would not bet the farm or bank on being able to get a one of those the top tier even the second year in round two and I know the last time you and I talked a couple of months ago you had talked about Derrick Brown being Dave gettleman type pick and I saw Tony Pauline in draft analyst Pretty well respected well connected. You know knows his stuff. He's been saying lately that he keeps hearing that. Derrick Brown is is still in play for the giants at number four and as much as I see the talent. I see the fact that Derek Brown would be a gentleman esque type of player. I just don't think you can do that when you're the New York giants in and and defensive line happens to already be a position. That's pretty solid. You know when you can look around the roster and and you see holes all over the place and what they've invested Not only in Dexter Lawrence from last year Leonard Williams. I mean it would be really difficult to justify Derrick Brown. In the first SEAN FOR THE GIANTS NOT IMPOSSIBLE. I could probably. We've you an argument but it would be tough but you know he just. He fits the profile in so many ways and he's really good player. I mean if the giants had taken Dexter Lawrence in the first round last year this would be a far more interesting conversation. We're having about what direction that might. They might go at number four overall and the other thing too when you talk dirt Brown and even some offense lineman you know trading down. Is there a deal to be made there to somebody want to come up? And how far down? Can you move and still feel good about getting one of those top? Four offensive tackles are made the Alexa made from next year. Maybe they love as Cleveland door or Josh Jones who might be available the teen so depend on how far they WANNA drop down. I think they can move a little bit and still get one of those lockers. But I as I said. I don't think it'd be Derek Round but just you know you're you're talking about wildcard darkhorse things that that could surprise everybody undrafted. I wouldn't completely rule that out but But I really think I wonder if there's a deal to be made there for the giants because they can definitely get one of those blockers later depend how far they wanNA move down and and I think there could be a mark for the pick especially if the Detroit. Lions can't get a deal done a number three and somebody. WanNa come up ahead of the dolphins for quarterback. So let's let's talk about that scenario a little bit. Scott I was. I listened to Gil Brandt and Mark Dominik on it Sirius. Xm NFL conference. Call the other day about the draft. And both Brandt and Dominic said that. They don't think that the dolphins or the chargers will actually move for a quarterback Dominic in particular. I think was was adamant that Herbert's not a guy that you move up for and brant. You seemed very very hesitant about to as far as his long term durability so I'm curious what you think about your about somebody moving up for those two guys and if let's say one of let's say neither of those teams wants to move for a quarterback. Is there another sweet spot in your mind for the giants to to make a deal? I think it's more circumstances in good strategy than teams being. Not being willing to pay for these quarterbacks I think if you're the dolphins and chargers sitting there at five six we we know boroughs one of the Bengals me. No Chase Young. He's going to to Washington so then three Detroit for the giants. Neither of those teams are taken a quarterback. You don't have to worry about either them taking a quarterback don't think you have to worry about is somebody leaping ahead of you and take a quarterback But if the dolphins and chargers don't do it who are the other options who in the draft could maybe make a bold move up that high. I mean you've heard. I heard the raiders. Packaging to trump picks to move into the top five. Do the lions and giants. Did THEY WANNA move out of the top ten altogether? I mean I think the the the the adults chargers are sitting there. Saying we want one of these quarterbacks but why give we don't have to? We can just stand pat and these guys are. GonNa fall to us. Barring something unforeseen and I'm they're monitored monitoring it and they WANNA make sure nobody does leap ahead of them. They've probably been with the lines giants and said hey give us you know last last chance note atop the offer if you get one but I think the way things stand the lines giants even if there is a deal to be made. They're probably not GONNA get a king's ransom of multiple Picks and all these goodies. So I think for the top five top five six over six. I won't be at all surprised if there isn't any movement there I think we're there could be low movement on draft day as maybe the back end of the top ten in the early teens as teams kind of jockey to get one of these blockers that we've been talking about or or maybe to get a specific wide receiver because that's the run on wide. Where the run wide receiver is supposed to start Maybe somebody wants to come up and get. Cj Henderson the quarterback from Florida whose clear cut number two corner in the Strap. And there's a lot of teams in that nine to twenty range who are in the market for a cover guy. So I think he's going to be some of that team's might one move up for so I I won't be at all surprised if it's pretty quiet in the top five to six overall and and if I'm the dolphins and charges I think they're doing the right thing by just kind of keeping their powder dry standing path and if things change is they certainly have amunition and can consider moving up but as things stand. I don't think they need to. Oh man keeping their powder dry. That's that's something that Dave gettleman would say. Gettleman always says I think the phrase gettleman uses is. Hold our water right. Yeah so basically. That's basically it and and knowing gentleman he's GonNa Fall in love with one of these guys anyways and he's not gonNA WANNA trade down and chance losing them anyways right and and that's the thing. Let's let's say the raiders did call up and say Hey Wilkin you twelve and nineteen for number four overall. I mean that's pretty interesting. I'm considering the giants but you gotta go. If you make the deal you have to say okay at twelve. I can't land on get one of those top or off the tackles right. That's it's funny because twelve in nineteen is is a deal that for number four is one that I keep looking at keep looking at and I keep thinking you know. There's a possibility that you could get one of the top tackles there at at twelve. But even if you don't even if you don't maybe you get you know maybe you get Henry Rugs and you get Ezra Cleveland at nineteen or something like that. I don't I don't know how the I don't know exactly how it will fall. But even if even if you lose out on those top four to me. That's really tempting. Yeah and of course. The raiders have to be willing to offer that pay that price which they may not be. But yeah I mean that would be really triggered. It almost feels like a better fit for the giants have was to bid first rounders in terms of of this class and their needs and especially if they could still in like you said like we talked about the there. I would say there's a seventy five percent chance. One of those offensive tackles is still there at number twelve overall. One of those top four guys. I mean I'd have to be a pretty specific scenario to get all four off the board and the top eleven overall. So it's not like there's a A. It's an unreasonable chance that one could be there. But but there's a legitimate chance one might not be as well so you have to feel pretty good about whoever. Your number five is whatever that drop off is. It's kind of a plan B because there is a chance that could happen. But but you're right. I mean based on their needs and the value I think. If the raiders offer twelve one thousand nine hundred four gettleman probably should listen. So let's let's talk a little bit about about round to maybe You know in about We talked a little bit about Isaiah Simmons and maybe finding guys later on who could be versatile defenders guys who could be impact defensive players and I know a guy that that I know. The giants have been interested in that giants fans have been interested in that people. Kinda wonder if he's going to be there at thirty six when the giants pick is is Zack. Born and my question for you is the whole thing that came out the other day about his His testing positive. You know at at the combine in all of that is that going to impact. I think it was positive. For diluted sample I mean is that going to impact his draft stock in your mind at all and is he a guy who who could or should be there for the giants at thirty six. Yeah I I don't think the delude sample Test at stunning com is going to impact him much for a couple of reasons. One the best my knowledge there's no track record of this failed test or anything going back in college and teams will have done their due diligence. So they'll know that And secondly it's not gonNA be much of a factor going forward because the changes in the collective bargaining agreement so I think ultimately is much ado about nothing. I don't and I don't I I don't think he's GonNa be a first round pick but there's a chance he could be. I mean there's some teams late in the first round Whether it be the Patriots I think could be a fit the Baltimore. Ravens could be a fit that could pull the trigger on him late round one but I think he's more of a round two guy he's kind of in the twenty five to fifty range in the concern with him is that lack of ideal length because he kind of plays and produces like an edge player but Just doesn't have A. He's only six two and a half two hundred thirty eight pounds and doesn't have the long arms and the Great Winston you look for so So kind of a a little bit of An outlier honestly because He he kind. It's kind of a package in a in a different form so Ultimately Zach on the fans. I mean film is really impressive. He's one of those guys that you you. You might just throw out that lack of ideal arm length because the film is so impressive. So if he's there I think he's definitely going to be an option early round two and in in a position where. I think you could find some intriguing options to not only exact bond but trump Lewis Alabama. Another guy who on paper it looks like a first round pick I think he's going to be available in round two because some concerns about durability but boy if he can stay healthy. You're getting probably a top half of the first round type of talent Julian acquired from Notre Dame who was great senior season. They got hurt so he's kind of been out of sight out of mind. I think As draft closer he starting to Gary Garner a little bit more buzzed because he offers so much juice off the edge as a pass rusher He's GonNa be an option on day. Two Curtis Weaver from Boise State. So and then Josh J two for Michigan who I'm not quite as high on some people but There's a number of options. If you're looking for kind of a pass rushing linebacker Off the edge in round two. That are going to be available and even three some of those guys join a choir could be there around three. Josh Jacob. You there round three so I if the giants are looking for that linebacker in pass rusher gonna be able to find a good one at some point on day to so. I actually wanted to sort of backup. Free Agency obviously comes before the draft and obviously the draft is. Is your thing really but I was curious. You know you and I haven't really talked about about the work that the giants did in free agency. Did you like what the giants did in Free Agency you know Blake Martinez Cuyler Fat James Bradberry. Some smaller signings on offense. Did you like what they did there? As far as adding some talent and trying to set themselves up for the draft. Yeah they need a really good job. I think Bradberry certainly is the difference maker in that group. the linebackers. I don't know if I would have paid. What did your Blake Martinez? I think you could have found a player like that in the draft But but there's something to be said to for the veteran a presence that he'll bring to the table in terms of being being able to help immediately but my my big my big criticism of their off-season free agency. So far is that they didn't do enough to address the offense aligned yet but that's what they have the draft. I think it's pretty clear that they're they're waiting for the draft to to shore up that offense line I think that was their priority coming into the off season and and is still the concern but But we still have the draft. Go so I. I think it's pretty clear. Based on the way they approached three agency what they plan to do in the draft. And and you don't linebacker. It's just not a position that they've traditionally invested in so it was nice to see them. Go out and make a couple moves there and tried to upgrade that position but But I think ultimately when you look back on this giants offseason positive or negative depending on how this next season goes. I think we're going to look back to the draft more than free agency that impacted it because it's all about the offense align it really is. I think you're right there Scott. You know it's funny because Dave Gettleman was asked about that on Monday during a conference call about not addressing the the offensive line and he more or less. Dave doesn't like to tell you exactly what he's going to do. General Manager does but I've listened to enough Dave gettleman. You know. Press Conferences and conference calls to know that if you get him to talk long enough he's not exactly transparent and he basically said in talking about the offensive line he said look he said he said the draft and free agency. He said you can pretty much marry the two and he said we looked at the draft class and we thought not signing a big time. Free agent offensive tackle. Was the right way to go so like like you and I said what does that tell you? It tells it screams to me that they're going offensive tackle. Yeah and I think I. Two picks could be offensive lineman in quite justifiably especially if especially if if Ruiz's there at thirty six maybe or Matt Hennessy Temple is Hennessy. Worth the picket thirty six. Or is he a guy? You'd WANNA get farther down. Seems a little bit rich to me but it's not too bad. I mean he's legitimate. He's going to be a day to pick and he's right in that. Mix to be the one of the top couple centers off the board. My concern him was seeing him a coast out the senior bowl. He's really slight. I mean he's not built like your traditional offense alive. He's not real up. I mean I don't want to say he's like a guy you would see on the street by me if you saw him walking down the street you say. Oh yeah that's a starting officer lime in the NFL and that's fine. I mean that doesn't necessarily room out in the film's really good and everything but yeah not not the most impressive physical specimen. I've ever seen along the offensive line. That's for sure but a really good player and in sounds like he's not going to get out of the second round so if they want him they'd have to probably take him at a second interesting. Hey last question for you Scott. Joe Judge was asked the other day during a conference call. He was asked about the fact. That that there's really no off season program or that you know whenever teams get together. They're probably going to have a training camp. You know some sort of limited off season. There won't be the snaps for these guys that they're are in a regular. Nfl off season and the question for him was. Does that mean that you have to draft guy early in the draft who you might consider you know everybody uses the phrase pro ready and he said there's no such thing as a pro ready. Nfl Player. He said you draft based on long-term upside and I like that but I guess the question for you as you consider players that the giants might draft does a statement like that make would've statement like that make you think any differently about the guys that the giants might target in the first couple rounds. Yeah and and and that's an ideal equate to look at it but not necessarily always the case. It's just like teams say. Oh you'd never see teams that yeah. We drafted for deed. They always say oh. We drafted the best player. Mail us the best talent. There are four but let's face it me need plays a huge huge role Matt and and I think progress is GonNa play a factor in this draft the e even some might protest a little bit especially the early rounds. I think we get in the fourth fifth sixth seventh round. Then you're you're thinking long term. You're not thinking incident impact but I think for second third round you want guy he was gonna come in and contribute right away and if you're signed Between a guy who you know can come and do that and another guy who might be a little bit further by eight ball. Might need a little more tolerant. I think it's going to give an advantage to the guy who was a little bit already this year Certainly more so than than any other years these these unique circumstances we have so. I think the guys were bigger little bit. Bigger projects might be impacted by. But we'll see I mean that's just one of the things one of the reasons. A strap is be fascinating to look back on. Not only as we're watching play out in real time but really for years to come see how much an aberration it is for two guys medical concerns and off the field concerns. Do they drop further than they would do? Guys who are. Maybe projects does that. Does that hurt them? you just go on and on probably ten different factors that we can look at. That could be different this year for most years The twenty twenty. Nfl that the NFL draft is always fascinated. That's why I always say I. I've seen it all in the NFL draft because every time you think you have some unique set of a situation comes along and this certainly qualifies. But but I definitely think crow readiness is GonNa play a little bit more role at least especially early on than than it normally would. And if you'RE DEB. Perelman I mean you're you're not thinking about three years from now right. You might not have a job what you're not this time so you ought to. You ought to hit on the Dick and hit the ground running there you go. Hey Scott always appreciate your time. Appreciate your insight. Why don't you tell folks a little bit about what you've got going on before I let you go yeah totally? The website is draft countdown dot com. Everything's one hundred percent free at in-depth rankings In a an indepth mock draft which will be updated the draft with final versions of votes Check those out I've got recently an interview with them. Minnesota Defensive Back Antwon Wakefield Junior That is up on the sites. Kinda strange I remember when I was getting into the business. His Dad Antoine. Winfield senior is one of my first quote unquote prospect crushes. I was a huge fan. He has come to college and now. Here's a son who has a very similar type of game so that means you're getting old Scott it does. It was very surreal to be talking to his son. Because I even when I pulled out some old Mel Kiper Joe Buxbaum books from from one thousand nine hundred nine. Nfl draft and look up the sky reports on his pop. So a very surreal moment. So check out that interview and then you can also follow me on twitter at Jeff countdown. Instagram AT JEFF tone down and one more thing to mention some fun this year. I'm going to put up my earliest mock draft of the year the Monday after the twenty twenty NFL draft. I'M GOING TO PUT UP BY MOCK DRAFT. Twenty twenty one. 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AP Laboratory - Day two from the Senior Bowl (Ep. 113)

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AP Laboratory - Day two from the Senior Bowl (Ep. 113)

"I'm Songwriter Charlie. Harding and I'm use ecology made Sloan or the host of switched on Papa podcasts about the making and meaning of popular music every week Charlie and I breakdown down the most interesting hits trends artists to understand what they're doing what they're saying and why the songs are so infectious. We've recently broken down. Billy eyelashes music with her brother and collaborator phidias dissecting chance the rapper with super producer Oak felder and covered everything from Dolly. Parton to Travis. Scott if you love music you're going to discover something ear opening in switched on pop so join US search for switched on pop in your favorite podcast APP and listen to an episode about your favorite favorite artist and subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. spotify or wherever you're listening to get new music explainers every week and after listening you might want to check out. Our new book switched on Pop. How Popular Music Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller? Thanks what's up. Everybody thanks for joining us today. Money this is the AP laboratory another episode from the the senior bowl. We've got some prospects the valley talk about today. We are here. We're doing the work we're putting the work in for the KC draft guide obviously There's there's more important things to tend to before now in the draft or between down the drafts butts little little draft content in your life here to it helped me talk about some very interesting prospects from this week senior bowl. I find him on twitter at morely hop sitting across from me right right now Craig style. Hello my friend hello everybody. I know what you're thinking. It's not draft season. It's not it's not literally everybody that I've talked two from Kansas City. Chiefs is bewildered about the fact that we're in mobile long longtime ago just like we did last year. This is going to be good information for us to have later on but we figured for some of you out there that really do appreciate gate the draft and everything like that and for those of you that are maybe interested in some guys that could fit the chiefs coming up at several positions here. We we do this episode for you kind of run through some of the guys that we've seen through the first two days of practice and maybe some of the guys that we like. Yeah so we're GONNA go position by position and clearly. I think we're going to start with the probably the biggest position of need for the chiefs in that's quarterback. Oh wait wait wait wait wait. We don't need a quarterback. Yeah we do you know. We have Patrick lavonna homeowner. How could I forget I just? I never going to get sick of that. We're not going to talk about quarter quarterback to find another fan base. That needs a quarterback right. There's there's no need to do that so let's go to running back One Guy I really was interested in before the process even started. I thought Kinda sneaky quality player Dennis Anderson from TCU. And I think he's had a pretty good week. So far I among you know doing some of the pass protection drills for the running backs I thought he is the most competitive. That's not saying much because the entire group was really bad. Really poor really bad but I like what he does. I think he's kind of I don't think he's a master of anything but I think he's got a lot of good qualities that you can put in a running back room in value so showed some quality route running ability today soft oft hands. I thought he was competitive and pass protection more than anybody else that I saw so far And he's he's good between the tackles good vision I think he had good vision on on the first day as well so I mean I think he's a guy on three makes a lot of sense for this football team. His burst is subsidizing yes. It's surprising surprising. He when he sees. He's the gap His ability to translate that get through the second level not to the second ru ru yet. The second one is is really impressive. But he's a smaller guy. I don't remember all the double my head right now. What he weighed in at but he is a smaller dude? Mike is a little bit bigger Guy Joshua Kelly I mean. Ucla Judge Kelley. I didn't know anything about before we came here. He's caught the ball really well. I how he's got to be open as pretty impressive to yeah he. He's he's been a pretty good route runner he's got a little hitch when he's coming out little little too much foot action though slow coming out of it but something that can be coached up. He's ran the ball well as well. He's really hit the whole. He's got good vision as well. Another another guy. That's probably going to be a day. Three guy and he reminds me a little bit of what they look for. Out of there. You The running backs guys good catching the ball guys. Good Vision between the tackles. I I just think of of the senior bowl running backs here. Those are pretty clearly the two most impressive guys on the field and both of them are probably going to be fourth fifth round guys at the earliest yet. No that sounds about right but both of those guys definitely do have some valid. I think it would be nice to add to this. Running back. Room saw got receivers. A little bit I think the best receiver here to this point area I would say is probably Denzel Mints From Baylor. I think he's a guy that if she's one of the you know take a receiver on day. Two would not have a problem at all with it. Being Denzel Men's he you know he's got a lot of of highlights Out there you can see. Some really incredible circus catches his best catches or some of the best in the entire country. But I think what he's come out and shown this week is a a little bit more nuance than his route running ability. I think he's had some really exceptional Releases at the line of scrimmage been able to stack some dudes create some separation against a variety. The of body types in this is a big physical player But you know outside of the of the of the ability to high point of football in make athletic catches inches with the big catch radius. I think he's shown some nuance and some ability there so If that she wanted to take a guy that would have a lot of value in the red zone a guy that could lined up over an accident and run some of those routes. I think the I think mims could actually really developed nicely in that role in Memphis six three two six. Yeah he's a he's a big dude so I think that's the type of receiver that the chiefs may be looking at a little bit more. I Know Sammy Watkins. His name is a favorite name to kind of. Come out and replace so having that true possession that true X. Guy Mims is definitely that guy. He's probably going to go a little bit earlier. The my Guy Antonio Gandhi golden from liberty. I not great coaching. They're a great quarterback throwing the ball all their run a ton of routes but he's actually looked a lot better than I thought that he would this week. He's even bigger than them. He six four four to twenty four and he's actually got a little bit of vertical speed. I seen him get after these corners a little bit get downfield make some big catches is there i. He's he's somebody that I think that you could bring in the building and have that type of body that type of contested catch guy really really good hands really really really good hands getting in their teaching the route tree and if you get anything out of him then you've got yourself a really really good possession X. that's probably going to be a later round guy at the highest. That'd be my guess I would say I think Gandhi golden definitely is GonNa wind up going on day three. Let's talk about the tight ends. And I'M GONNA go with Charlie Talamo Powell. He's a from Portland Portland state and he's not a true tight end. I don't think I don't think his path after success in the National Football League is ultimately going to be just as tight end. I think he's GonNa wind the play more nature back row because he's six two to forty. He's not the biggest longest tallest guy in the world. But what he is what I've seen so far is a guy coming from a smaller school from a from a lower class program. I saw some decent releases off. The line is him and I think with him when when he gets a clean release in when he comes. Untouched I I think there's some smoothness in his routes Some nuance to it. When when when contact comes in when he's gotTa try to run through contact playthrough contract? It's not as pretty His plan gets disrupted a little bit. But what I've seen from him so far in a limited capacity I think he might be an interesting H.. Back type role. We'll probably as an undrafted free agent right now. Yeah Yeah and my guy out and trautman baby. Oh man he's fun- he's really funny. He's six five five to fifty one. He's a decent blocker. Young Age can get after it a little bit so somebody that you could take instill have Kelsey on the field and twelve personnel. And he's a big big guy. He runs goofy. I ed that. He's got a weird gate where he runs but he covers. There's a lot of ground quickly so it he's got some nuances route running. He's got after some of these safeties that the safety group arguably has been the the best group out on. Yes this week and I mean the defense of London good too but the safety group is really impressed and Trautmann's guy that's gotten gotten open routinely against his group with his route running. I think I think he's going to be draftable for sure. Oh no doubt now. He's definitely getting drafted. I think the chiefs are half the spin. One of their later currently picks to get him but he's he would be a phenomenal. Add to this team. I think that they could run on a lot of twelve personnel. And do some fun things with that. I would be stunned if he's not getting around three at this point I mean at this point has looked that good because I mean because big you got flooded guy that you know needs Obviously I think there's a lot of ceiling to there's there's a high ceiling to him because of where he's come from He he seemed like he's taking the coaching a little bit. So far this this week to how about offensive tackle. There's a there's a massive human being out there passive massive massive massive understatement. We talked a little bit about him yesterday. By the way let me clarify. We talked about him being six seven Six nine six eight and a half six eight and a half official three hundred eight eight eight pounds. Eleven inch hands Alex Taylor out of South Carolina State. He's teenage with Alex Brown. Don't confuse the two Alex Brown Is is a cornerback here in Kansas City already he was on the practice squad for about half a year is now on the active roster. He's playing on special teams. Alex Taylor for a guy that six eight and a half three hundred eight pounds with an eighty eight win eight inch weeks pan which is ridiculous His arms have arms Moves extremely extremely well for a guy his size and I think he's got a long ways to go. I think he's got some work to do but as a developmental tackle as a guy that You you know has some rare athletic traits that you can't coach and is extremely personable interviewed. Well when we talked to him one of the most well-spoken all spoken kids. I thought I came away. Very impressed by him He hasn't had the greatest week. I don't think to this point but I think he's a project. It's definitely a product but I thought I thought we saw improvement today. Yeah over yesterday As a run blocker I think he played with decent leverage considering his. This is Today this week I think he's figuring how uses link a little bit better how to play with a little bit better base. I liked liked him as a prospect. I think I think he might get drafted. A way might wind up in the back in the day to honestly just because of the character. You kid coach Josh that stuff. Yeah but as a developmental tackle. If he's there you know round four I think I would be completely content with cheese taking a swing at him. Now I'm taking a guy that probably we'll be available round for I am reuniting Patrick. Von Mahomes with Terence's steal from Texas tech attack steel has been one of our biggest surprises. This week yeah. He has held his own just as well L.. As any of the other tackles that are here and there. Some good tackles here that put some good reps on tape and they're going to be drafted pretty highly like Alex Taylor other like he talked about. We Got Josh Jones from Huston. That's getting round one. Buzz terrence deal has impressed. He has locked up some good guys. He's he's really shown. Good feet good power punch like he is the type of guy that is ready made to come in. I think he can come in. I and put you give quality reps early in a pinch. Yeah but his ceilings. Pretty high like I think he is still some room for. There's room for growth there. You could do a lot worse than having done in the building because frankly right now. You're not Cam Irving. He had Jackson Barton. I think terrence Steel probably gives both of those guys better run for their money at Auckland's of tackle so I I would add him late in the round. Yeah Familiarity Harrity with PAT. I mean they're they're buddies wouldn't hurt would you hurt I think that she's GonNa wind up taking a developmental tackle at some point. They have to and I think this is a great class to to do and I think that's part of the reason why they should be thoughtful about trying to do that. Because Eric Fisher and Mitch worked or not getting any younger. There's still good. They're still going. You don't have to have complaint right now. You don't have to have exactly so why not go. Look at a guy that you can develop over this. You know this next season or so and and see what you have interior offensive line one center. I think that I I think there's there's some good centers in this group here in mobile. There's one that's been very underwhelming. That's Nick Harris from Washington. Goodness area underwhelming. To at this point. He for a lot of reasons. We don't have to go there. We're going to get really upset. But we were high on him. We were excited to see. He's been very disappointing. even at the weigh INS. Like just his He. He's got a lot of work to do. But Matt Hennessy. From Temple I think is a guy who I had a decently high grade on. I come away very impressed with him. I think I might have him about right on a grading scale maybe a little bit higher needs to go somewhere day too late day too I think is the best guess for him to eat more of around three type. She's WanNa take him in the second round. I wouldn't be stunned and I wouldn't be too upset because I think he's shown a lot of I don't think he's the most athletic guy out here is the strongest out here. Doesn't have the quickest feet. I think he's one with pretty good technique over the course. Most of the entire Week there's been a couple times for instance that he's over set but he's been able to recover extremely well in when he's not over setting. He's winning winning just about every single Rep. I'd do this point what we've seen him lose a rep today one one rep today and may ab one yesterday. I Yeah I. He's been the most consistent performance I think the thing about him is he's got he's one of the guys that there's some guys we might talking about a few of them here later in in the mock or in this in this discussion about some of these prospects I I've seen you know him shutdown young guys. That are having good weeks. He's had he's had some very good reps against some of the better players Like one of the guys talk about a little bit Jason Strobe Ridge. He's got this been dominating all week incomes. Hennessy shuts down Neville Gallimore Alamo Glaucoma. WHO's one of the higher rated needed guys? That's coming out of here I it's been it's been a good week for him and I think I think he's got really strong hand when he gets his hands on you. It's it's pretty tough to do. Do much of anything. And he's been really good there and he's zone dude he definitely he long scheme. No problem no problem for me. Interior Offensive Lineman somebody that we've actually talked about before but at tackle. Manny liked Akeem Adedeji out of K.. You he liked his feet at tackle is he's played guard this week and frankly yesterday was not great. It got better towards the end of the got better towards the end of the day but it started in order to not Graha today. He shut down everybody he he shutdown strategy shutdown gallimore shutdown emergency shutdown sound like. Everybody had a good day today or yesterday. Got Locked up by Akeem Adedeji. Today he looked fantastic is is giving no ground in the pocket his feet or good. He looks more comfortable this Today I am excited to see what he looks like tomorrow because he is able to continue that. That's a guy that's going to get drafted high because he looks really good and he has positional -sition over Versatility there any can move. Yes Oh i. He's a chief sky for sure. I'm not sure he won't have some some flexibility. Not Moving forward you know. I think he could wind up tackle a little bit. I think some teams might look at him tackle still but he's obviously got some ability In any can play anywhere on the offense John. I'm kind of. I would love to see him as center to get get he said these plants some some. Maybe you'll be tomorrow. Maybe maybe it'll be tomorrow. I we're GonNa take a break Bacon. We'll be back to talk about some defensive prospects here at the senior bowl right after this. I'm Jillian Weinberger. Who's to the impact a podcast from vox about about how powerful people affect the rest of us this season? We're looking at the big ideas from all the people running for president in twenty twenty hit this opioid crisis prices head on public option. Move Away from Basel to energy efficiency and it's got to be a Great Wall and it's going to work. A lot of those ideas have actually been tried before like that. Wall trump wants to build the gallon. Arizona has had one on its border for decades. 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Perked up he just got a a little bit more energy than he had a lot more a lot more. Let's go to the defensive line I I am a guy that Mattie profiled in his article I believe earlier this week defensive end from Tulsa Travis Gibson. He's he's a player that I was the primary greater on leading into this process. We've already got a great autumn and I had a day three prospect great on him I thought lick the late day. Three type of Guy He definitely he's always fit. The profile of a cease Bagnall defensive and like six four around two hundred sixty two hundred and fifty ninety nine pounds somewhere in that range. Let me just look that up real quick but You know he's. I came away kind of impressed with his pass rush plan. I thought you know. He's trying he talk to me earlier. in the when we're doing our interviews and he's talking about how he wants to show that he can win around the edge. Show a little bit of flexibility and then play play a little bit with power Just six six three and a half two hundred and fifty nine pounds He's I think he's done a pretty good job of show in that. So far to this point you know he was able to win with Abo- rush was able to win with a little nice inside remove yesterday. I've seen him flash Off the edge of it with a little bit abandoned times. I think it's still a little bit consistent but as a guy that has the you know the desirable athletic profile I think he probably has has little bit inside outside versatility at some point you might seem which I love which obviously spagnolo loves He's he's kind of he's might need table A little bit more weight on just a little bit more if you're going to try to do that with him. But I came away press within today and and this entire process so far that she's are looking for got a day three to add to that defensive Andrew would not be. I would not have a problem with Travis Gibson I mean I when I wash travis like I'm not necessarily looking at him I'm in saying Oh he's town of passing rating like that but his links and a little bit of his body type of minds me of is he's definitely more refined guy. Tanno passing was coming out. He he lacks some of the overall top athleticism. I'm excited. I liked what I've scene out of him. The Guy that I'm picking is the guy that has frankly destroyed one on ones described. Surprise me to a in team drills. He swatted down to passes with his length. Today Jason's Trowbridge out of North Carolina has just been in phenomenal. He's been a terror. He they have lined him up at one tech. They've lined him up at three tag and they've lined him up a little bit on the edge but less so so there he weighs right now to sixty seven And apparently he played about twenty pounds heavier to eighty five liaison. Listen in somewhere like that you try and play three tack for them. He wasn't just plain to three times. That's the thing you still playing some edge to discriminate back there too so again guys that can move in and out. He has some been we. We've seen him quarter. We've seen him. You know should the ability to beat some some of these guys on the inside. He's got quicks. He's got power he he just. We have been impressed with him winning and just about every single way and the way that he can do it from all these different positions and the length and the size that he has I put him in the room like yeah get him in that room. Decide if you need to bulk up decide if you WANNA play him at defensive end he's a fantastic guy to have in that rotation because yeah if you get him up to about two eighty boy. You're talking about a manual. Ombu was up on that. Yeah that sort of point at. He's a he's an explosive dynamic. Guy Back I'd love to have strawbridge here but he's just climbing this week because he's just destroying everybody right now if you looked at him if you looked at a picture of him here at at the senior bowl he looks identical identical to Frank Clark. The Long March the the the the loose long sleeves in the team. Color the facemask facemask. The helmet looks at the visor looks identical to what Frank Clark has. He's wearing fifty five and he's winning every way that you can imagine power our speed everything. It's yeah he's he's I the two hundred sixty seven pound version of of Of Strawbridge is a guy. I'm very very big fan of very very big. Two hundred eighty five pound guy. He showed like he had a pass rush plane. He could utilize variety. The move was able to attempt to variety moves but they weren't landing he wasn't able to get off the same way. You know the twenty pounds of whatever he's lost who it's making its minimum much quicker player And he's one in a variety of ways. He's he's really impressed. Me If you went to. If you went in the second round wouldn't be stunned in the slightest tell you what based on based on this week alone yes some teams just going to say you stay at two sixty five and just give us launched COMPLA- An for Kansas City. Yeah won't you COMPLA- Edge for Kansas City awesome. I think he'd be an exceptional fit At the linebacker spot. There's a couple of guys we wanted to profile Craig. I think I want you to start this one off before the start. We gotta talk about guys talk about a guy that we all love but you know there's some things that Akeem Davis gave their. He's been great. He's great he's been great. He's been covering well. He's been scraping over well. He's done everything I think that teams wanted to see from him. I think he's fairly well. Cemented high in the draft coverage yes made some plays on the ball. You know he's been. He's showed the sideline the between the tackles. That would tackle. Yes yeah yeah. So here's the thing. Akeem David gaither weighs two hundred. Nineteen Pounds Steve. SPAGNOLO doesn't like linebackers that thing that he doesn't like them short he doesn't like them and thin he needs them to be bulky enough to play on every single down. We've seen it Dave Wilson and is playing will linebacker in the nickel at two hundred forty five hundred pounds and they don't have the range they don't have the speed it. Just it's it's a situation where they're not just going after these speedy guys can do it. They have it seems to a have to have a weight threshold. Well think about it like this. Let us I mean. Let's just use some logic here real quick. The chiefs had Orono Daniel on the roster during no Daniels Tune Jordan twenty pounds. Yes in the off season. The chiefs traded to acquire a coverage linebacker with some athleticism. Like they didn't have one on the roster already two hundred thirty two pound daringly so you tell me. Obviously it seems as though St see spectacular did not trust the two hundred twenty pound linebacker boss. Maybe it's just speaks more to Dorian but I kind of feel like he might just not. I mean I think from everything we've seen at this point I feel like probably thicker guys right so with that in mind as much as I love Akeem done I really really do and I wish that they would go and take a guy like that. I just don't know that they will feel confident. In this sucks it would be functional change in what they currently do so from that regard. I'm GonNa stick him aside but we wanted to handle that because he's he's been good and I'd like to have him on the roster but and we'd love not to be. We'd love to be resolved this on. That blue loves zero about this lease so the linebacker. I'm going with the guy that we haven't talked about. TJ Brunson Out of South Carolina. TJ Brunson currently weighs two hundred eighteen pounds now TJ. Brunson played two two years ago at about two forty five while at South Carolina. He got injured. He hasn't been able to work out as much but he wanted to be at the senior bowl of wanting onto play here. He told me in an interview today that he's currently in the process bulking up he plans on being two hundred and thirty pounds by the combines combined so the chiefs would be drafting two hundred and thirty pound linebacker. He has shown outside of the lighter. Guys more of an ability you to pivot and coverage more of an ability to get downhill. He's got a little bit of speed. Frankly these linebackers haven't been great overall. But he's been one of the guys that has had at least some positive reps here there so he'd be a guy specially especially late because of his injury history and everything like that I think you bring him in. Get Him right and maybe maybe get him in the system and having learned spagnolo scheme he seems he's very sharp. Yeah I think that that may be a requirement as well picking up a playbook being trusted to be out there. He seems very very sharp very quick learner. And and obviously you just gotTa Kinda see what happens to his ability to move when he adds twelve bounds by the columbine ray wants to be able to prove that he can still don't move which would be a great which will be really helpful for him in his process and Hopefully you know if you see him. Continue to bill away show some more athletic. That'd be great so all that mind mind you know where the chiefs go because a lot of the bigger guys guys you know to thirty great. They haven't really really looked bad. Look great I mean I think like Francis Bernard show the couple of things. Today you know was was decent but nothing to write home about Evan. Weaver is not athletic etiquette. All he's a linebacker weavers tripped over zone feet like three times in one. Yeah it's it's just it's disgusting now. I got the guy that I think has shown the most most pulse to this point. I guess you could say is actually the biggest one of the guys. I just listed Logan Wilson from Wyoming six six to two hundred and forty one pounds I think the best way I can describe. Logan Wilson Right now is from athleticism standpoint. You'd be more athletic as a will. Oh Than Dame would that's not saying much edits it would be a marginal improvement to that linebacking gene position at the the the will but might be you know enough to to to to improve it at least you know so like I think this is the thing thing is we're looking at this linebacker group in. I think we're all a little bit concerned about how the chiefs are going to be able to find a guy that can you know play as that will linebacker with a little bit more a lot. More athleticism what they have is going top twenty. That isn't going twenty. It might wind up being that they have to go to the free agency route. or or what have you. They've gotta figure some things out you want to spend eighteen million dollars. There's on a linebacker no need. I don't need to find. I think it's it's it's going to be a challenge. And maybe it's just not it's not a top OP employer. Maybe they've got to try to go bargain barrel hunting and find a decent athlete. That can play the will in an acceptable range. Maybe they can find the different. A different version of Darren Lee next year. That's the thing that I think you've got to be concerned about this with the draft with free agency trying to figure out how to either mask the deficiencies this season the linebacking core or make that linebacking core better Okay what's up or quarterbacks there's a there's a couple of guys the you know there's been some dropouts In the senior bowl Christian Fulton. Jeff glad these guys were really excited about single mad. I think both those guys by the way are to be considered in round one for the chiefs when they pick at thirty two Because they're picking it thirty two because they're winning. The Super Bowl Willis spoiler alert as my prediction. Yeah Yeah kindle door a guy that craves talked about a lot so far from Georgia a guy that you know he was on this summer. Real big fan of As the day three prospect mountain like love with him super early but I think he's I think he's done a decent job this week. He's so competitive. And that's what I really like about him. You know I've watched the tape. He's a willing tackler and he's willing to scrap in willing to be physical with players bigger than him during you know actual football ball during the ball games and stuff but I think he's I think a lot of that stuff that you see that you like out of him is the same. His transitional quickness is not great I think there's been some some some issues there at he gives up too much ground. He's not able to close. I think long season question but as day three prospect three interceptions. You said on Monday or onto ams Monday it was knows. Tuesday is on Tuesday for him at the at the senior bowl. I think the most ball production action that we might be the only guy. I've seen catching an interception. I think this entire I got caught today okay. I'm GonNa talk about later but perfect but I just. I think he's helped himself. I think there's some deficiencies there with his long speed with his transitional quickness. But I mean they've got the chiefs have of quarterbacks with long speed issues interest traditional quickness issues. Anyway I mean he's GonNa help the problem completely but I think he's good value And my guy is arguably one of the best guys out here in quarterback this week troy junior out of Notre Dame to reprise not the huge guy. He's five eleven. He doesn't have a great wingspan. He doesn't have thirty two in charms or anything like that. So he's not particularly long but troy pride will scrap and troy. Pride is actually. He has a nuff speed. And enough transitional ability to play a slot for Steve's bag no I've said all year long Christian Fulton Christian yet not Christian Fulton who were shot fin. I'm so sorry. Sorry I missed you said Christian Fulton on locked in so much. You're sad gone. Said Sean Payton is not a nickel corner because he just struggle so much with transitioning everything about what a traditional nickel cornered does. He's good boundary corner and I think they should play him out there toward pride. It can help with that if you have an actual nickel that can do that. Troy pride has the ability to mirror routes. He has the ability to handle everything underneath. We've seen him. I'm going up against some very big receivers. We talked about him earlier. We talked about news from Baylor and talked about Antonio Gandhi gold. He's gone up against those guys and held his Own well and he's actually done. Well broken up a few passes so I I would like to see him added. I was always kind of like a round four grade on him throughout this entire process. I think it might have climbed a little bit me this week. He was a little bit better than I expected. So I I I would like to add him as a nickel corner midway through the draft. It'd be a good. Let's go to the physician. I think Craig said earlier safeties been. I'm pretty surprisingly good across the board Geiss of really stood out Lab like this one. Jalen Elliott a safety out of Out of Notre Dame and and his teammate alot he gilman also hosts are very good has had a pretty good week. He got hurt later later. This practice on Wednesday Wednesday. We curious to see what happens if he's able to practice on Thursday. But I tell you what Jalen Elliott has really stuck out in coverage The the I-IT's manned up in stuck with tight ends and running backs without any problem. I think he might even matched up against some receivers a little bit. He he got he got one on one. Rector gets receivers. I got one of them. WanNa reps against Gay Golden. Yeah and he held his own. Yup I think he actually played pretty well. I saw plan as a deep safety earlier. This today is well. I came away very impressed with him. I thought he had. I think he's had a really good week. This far so far in a kind of surprise me I think he's submitted himself. Somewhere in that round four range would be my guess maybe round three if he's lucky but solid coverage player in I I've been I think he's probably been the best coverage safety so far. Yeah he really has an A.. We're looking for him after this trying to find. Yeah you've been finally got off a few quick but you WanNa doctrine because eighty frank jumped up on so he was really good he definitely did my guy guy is kyle. Duggar out of Lenore Ryan. I talked about him a little bit before. He's a division three guy these tradition tourism to guy. It's all right. Yeah Yeah you're GONNA really upset bearcats very with that. There's too small school safeties in Germany Chin and and Kyle Duggar Chin is a massive guy that has looked good call. Douger is not a massive guy I he looked big against against the guys that he was going against is Lenore Rhine but he actually looks more like a safety he. He said that he was going to get some looks as will linebacker. But we haven't seen any of those. Yeah yet but he's really good in coverage drills he picked off a pass today was just in the hip pocket of a of a tight end coming across cross on a dig route it. He did really well. He's done really really well on the majority of the coverage snaps that we've seen as a deep safety. He's organized Organiz guys a little bit more and we've seen at the senior bowl. Now is the second year Roku Ballantyne last year. small-scale Guy the first day ramping ping up to that was a little bit much. And you know. I can't even talked about Corey. Valentine was a little bit of a deer in the headlights during the Imola was too big. We're in day one. Yes we saw a little bit of that with cod liver not quite as much but a little bit of that without Duggar so even even yesterday sturday. He started a little slow got better by the end of the day day to was significantly better. He looks comfortably directing traffic a little back there so I would be very very very interested in adding him as a safety because he I think he can play that Jain linebacker role you know the Indian sorts and playing there right now Danson's great and I'm not he he he's our hero right him as played in the history of the world. I I am not suggesting we go out and replace dirty damn but I'll tell you what if it gets around foreign cow. Doug you're sitting there. I'm adding him to my secondary because there is a lot worse guys that you can stick in there and haven't extra defender out there. Put them in there in the been human being voiced adjustment. Get Him on the field because he's going to be able to cover. He's he's aggressive. He's GONNA be able to get downhill. Just added to the mix or there's some senior bowl prospects for you to kind of study up on this and I think that would make a lot of sense for the chiefs at a lot of different positions. Thanks for spending some time with us. Listen to this. We will be back to regularly scheduled cheese. He's coverage later.

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AP Laboratory - Offseason offensive line conversation (Ep. 124)

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AP Laboratory - Offseason offensive line conversation (Ep. 124)

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Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller. Thanks everybody joining us today. My Name's gets wants this is the AP laboratories the second episode of the week we are continuing our positional breakdowns. Discussing how the season for a position in looking ahead to the future. We do the interior offense of line today. Someone who is very fired up about this. Find Him on twitter at chief and Carolina Mattie Lane. Let's Talk Big uglies very fired. Up is a strong word but I do enjoy some some offensive line play. I will say watching the interior offensive line. Play does not does not inspire a lot of fire. So we are here. Took her to recap the season Tell you about Dole flames that we've seen throughout the year. But we're going to transition we're gonNA throw some installation INSTA- light fire logs on that bad boy. We got Craig style. The Renaissance may find him on twitter barley happier. He is here with us he can start a fire with a little bit there in a green leaf. That's how good he is so he's going to be here to help us out. How do you start a fire with dirt in a leaf? That's why you don't tell us period so that's definitely not a thing that happens is we. Just gotTA WE GOTTA. Lean into the bit. So what we're GONNA do is we're going to recap the two thousand eighteen season we're gonNA talk about the interior offensive line. Kinda ask them questions and then after the break we'll look ahead and kind of start talking about the future what we think about this group what we think they can add and all that kind of stuff. It's GonNa be fun so let's start with this we gotta ask and we'll start with you craig. How overall did the Interior offensive line deal? I mean frankly not great. Andrew Wylie started the year they had at the other guards spot and Austin writer. Those were the three guys that primarily got reps early and they gave up a lot of pressure and they did not move guys in the run game they just frankly were overall pretty poor at just about everything that they did and the chiefs have kind of made it a point to try not to invest in the position as much as possible and it. Kinda came back to bite him a little bit this year. Now obviously it got better. When Stephane was new ski got to play in their little bit he did have some rough moments early on when he was coming in but he got a lot better as the year went along. Martinez ranking actually got some reps in their look pretty good and you know until he got hurt due to Cam Irving but I overall think the group was pretty poor so I would say a an overall mostly failing grade for the interior offensive line. Yeah I think you have to reach pretty hard to come away with a lot of good from the Interior Offensive Line Group. I don't even think you can put your hat on the guys that played outside of Martinez. Rankin which may or may not come up again here in another segment of guys. That are super promising going forward. I don't think you can hang your hat on this elite athletic interior offense of wine. That excel getting out in space on the screen game. They section was one of the first years. Why the chiefs screen game was not near as effective is. It wasn't Andy. Reid and I think a ton of that is totally. Eric Fisher. Nothing in there. He's great Hurts but I just think the interior offensive linemen. They just weren't as athletic as they've been in years past so you don't even have the super athletes out there anymore. Like the chiefs have had in the past like there was a lot of good going on. I will say as the year went on they do. This is probably going to Andy Heck. They didn't a lot better job of pick it up. Interior stunts in some delay blitzes. They got better at that throughout the year. Especially if you compare it last year but outside that like you said you just don't have a lot of real good to go with this group and I think you really have to look at that go at Ford so I'm with I'm with graduate. This is a mostly failing grade across the board. I tend to agree. And you know you saw Andrew Riley. He took a step back the McCleary Hill Award winner last year. He took a step back. He wound up not even being active for the last couple of games this season. We'll see what that really says about his his outlook moving forward. They tried to go with Austin rider to replace To replace Mitch Morris last year and it was not particularly strong and sometimes I wonder if the reason that the the entire interior offensive line wasn't as successful is because of of him starting with him as the pivot point in that Group L. D. T. Another your back. I think he missed some games again. This season as well it's it's it's just. It was a bleak outlook and through a lot of guys in there to try to solve the problems. What was the biggest surprise of the Interior Offensive Lineman? My was cam irving not really getting a chance. I know he had to get put out there at offensive tackle but last year camera in played off into guards while I thought Andrew Wylie was better across from they both roughly about the same which was serviceable. And I don't think you could make a very good case the chiefs offense guard play with serviceable is year. Why did came? Irving not get a kickback inside. Especially once Eric Fisher came back let him play. Left Guard. Let him play right guard. I don't care you instantly improve that athleticism that I was talking about. That's missing. He's a guy that clearly gets along very well team. There's a little bit of continuity between him and Eric Fisher. I just never seen him get a chance on the interior is a roth is the position group. As a whole was that would caught me off a little bit. My Guy was Martinez Rankin. I geeked out when the chiefs were able to acquire Martinez rank in when it happened because they traded Carlos Hyde who is not going to make this football team. That really disappointed a lot of people here in Kansas City including the chiefs organization very obviously and they traded Wa- Carlos hired a thousand yard. Rusher Carlos sure whatever cool we got the got three years of club control of a very good potential very a potentially good interior offensive linemen in Martinez ranking. He was a top one one hundred pick about eighteen months ago. He's still and I think he showed some promise before. Cam Irving ruined his season. But that's neither here nor there I am very. I was very surprised that you know first off they were able to get Martinez ranking for Carlos. Hyde and I was pretty surprised that he was able to play pretty well so quickly. My biggest surprise was Andrew. Wylie and it's not for a good reason. He took a step back and got to the point where he was a healthy scratch at the end of the year over. The phone was new ski who they picked up off the street. That doesn't necessarily bode well for Andrew. Wylie that's not saying that the chiefs are gonNA move on Done with him or anything like that but the fact that he couldn't get up there with how terrible the guard play generally was brought most of the year there that speaks volumes as to how they view. Andrew Wylie so I'll be keeping an eye on him this off-season see count. What they do with him. But that was my biggest. Surprise is how far back you took a step. Let's move onto the biggest disappointment. And I mean there's a lot of candidates for this one I think for me. I'm probably going to go with Laurent Rene Tardif. I think you were kind of hoping that he would be the stabiliser along the interior of the offensive line. He's the Guy John. Dorsey paid a lot of money. He was the highest paid offensive. Lineman for the chiefs this year along the interior and he was not good. He just he's he's he's taken steps back. I think all like the last two years I would say. And he hasn't been able to stay healthy either. And maybe there's a correlation between that but your best abilities availability and Laurent. Rene Tardif hasn't really been available a ton last couple years and he hasn't played well at this. The Super Bowl wasn't great for him. Either frankly it was. It was a rough day for him as well. Mike Austin writer. I kind of thought that the chiefs were going to get a little more out of a second year of Austin rider. Didn't think it was going to be great but I did think that they were going to get a little bit more out of him based on what we saw in training camp and some of the work that he put in this offseason but frankly he just struggled he really struggled. Upfront power. He didn't pick things out particularly well and he didn't move particularly well. Just a lot of the hallmarks of Andy. Reid Center There in I think that the chiefs I we knew that they were going to Miss Mitch Morse a little bit. You know just because he was an excellent center but I didn't feel like it was going to be as significant as a drop off as it really was. Austin rider was my biggest disappointment for the year. After Craig successfully used to disappointment over his last two answers I am left with. Actually nobody's left of the interior offensive line appointment. So I'M GONNA go with like I mentioned earlier. I think this is the first thing that I thought that she string game wasn't good and the Interior oftentimes big part of it more than just a screen game. I don't think these guys were particularly well suited for the chiefs steam general in it sounds weird because L. bt Austin rider. They've had success thus in July. They've had success in the past the same scheme. Just you watch especially the way the running the ball. These guys just aren't making it to their set once they need to. They're not getting across defenders bodies. They're not calling the second level on the zone blocking place. They just don't seem like they can functionally get where they need. Do you look at all Damian Williams or even similar SEAN. Mccoy's big runs their outside zone. They get stretched all the way outside the tackle box and then make a hard cutback because nobody can make the reach block and get their hips around the defender. These guys just simply were not able to execute what was being out of that includes everybody that we've talked about so far. They did not look good in the scheme. The scheme isn't going to change. It's an outside heavy zone rushing scheme with a lot of RPO's they don't get a chance to just play power football. I don't think they'd be good at that. Either they need better fits or guys that can execute the scheme better going forward whether that's new players new coaching or they gotta figure out something to do to help these guys better because they were bad across the board in that regard all right Craig. What are we most optimistic about? Moving forward along the interior of the offensive line. I feel like I got the easiest one because there's really only one guy it's Martinez ranking like. That's it and I feel like when he was brought in that they liked him as a swing. Tackle a little bit and saw what he could play his guard and then when they went out and got Jackson Barton. I think that was another thing where they're just kinda submitting Martinez. Rankin is going to play guard forum. He's got the brightest outlook of anybody on this roster in the interior there so I hope he recovers quickly. I hope he gets back on the view of the chiefs soon because I feel like he can move a little bit. He's got a little bit more anchor than some of these other guys as feeder pretty. Good I just I would like to see more Martinez Rankin at guard. It was just taken away from us a little too quickly. My the reason. I'm most optimistic. What I'm most optimistic about about the interior offensive line. Moving forward is that they just WanNa Freak and super bowl with this interior offensive line. And yes they want to get better and they need to get better and they need to continue to protect. Patrick Levonne moms however all the problems that they had along the interior piecemeal together signing Steven was snow ski at the end to end starting him and benching their McAfee will magically Hill Award winner and and all that stuff still want to super bowl. They're going to be able to figure this out. I still have reasonably that. They'll be able to have success whether or not they get it fixed to for me. It's the growth that we saw the one spot did some argument. But you go back to that. Had a loss against the New England patriots. What real in the playoffs? Two thousand eighteen? What really killed them. The inability to pick up inside stunts looping blitzer is delayed. Blitzer is all that stuff they hear. That was an issue sometimes but not near as much. There was a very clear emphasis in focus on picking up passing off these different blitzer. These rushers that chiefs like the split like almost every other team a combo protection. Half the line is doing man. Blocked with the other half is dropping into gaffe protection protecting specific gap. They were able to figure that out as the year went on and giving into the playoffs they were pretty good at picking up the extra blitz the middle. You think that kind of emphasis. That focus is going to translate to the next year that just seeing that growth than something. That was such a big weakness of this year. Lets you have a little even more faith in the heck get some real talent in there in in you could see other things. Start to improve especially as you don't have to emphasize one. Specific thing is heavily as they really needed to after the two thousand eighteen season. Let's talk about the twenty twenty outlook of this group. What do you? What do you see about? What do you see from this group with the current outlook mattie bleak? ninth great? I don't think that you have a ton of young you have Martinez ranked in May be hope to Andrew. Wylie kicking back across the right side if you don't have any more to pick up where he left off. The Austin rider didn't do a ton. I know we're all really high Martinez rank and what he could do but at the end the day he had one really bad game. One pretty good game in one game in the middle like it's a very small sample size. There was still some weaknesses there in his game. He is not ready to be a crate guard. Right away you maybe not a good guard right away. They just. They have a lot of unproven talent on the interior in no anchor no pivot and nothing to really hang their hat on. You need to add talent to that group twenty twenty and I think that puts the positive part of the outlook that they probably are going to add some form of talent to that group because they just can't get by with it again. I think you're going to see L. D. T. gone just too bad years in a row you can get out from under his contract this year. It just makes sense to move on from him. I think that they're going to add in some guys with a little bit of flexibility. I wouldn't mind seeing them at center at another guard. You know maybe one free agency may be one of the draft so I think that that's the positive outlook is that they were able to piece it together. They saw what they had. They know. It's not good enough. So maybe they are going to actually put a concerted effort into fixing it and protecting Patrick mahomes war. The chiefs already have currently eleven guys along their offensive line under club control for on their ninety man so they've got eleven right now technically. They've exclusive rights free agents Andrew Wylie and Ryan Hunter. But they've got a lot of guys to to try to solve this thing. And obviously I think Laurent Rene. Tardif gets thrown. He gets he gets moved on from and and they're going to probably add some talent. But I mean you you still got a Lotta guys that with the experience that hopefully you know Nick Allegany Martinez. Rank in one of those guys can step in and and and and surprise people and provides some stability for that group. Kim Irving maybe Cam Irving's move on their seven guys on the roster right now. That could play along the Interior. 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On your favorite podcasts from vulture and the VOX media podcast network have a good one we are profiling the interior offensive line. We are looking at we. We've kind of talked about the two thousand nineteen season now. It's time to talk about what we see for the future this team. Let's talk about you. Know Free agents you know some potential free agents and then let's talk a little bit about the draft will start with a top tier guy. We'll go with Andrus Peat Andrews Pete's he was He was with the the New Orleans saints for his entire career. initially was considered to be a tackle People thought he was going to be a tackle. He wound up finding success At Guard he was a guy that you know. You are sorry. I lost my train of thought. I was trying to read something but he I think he actually is a pretty. He's got a pretty good career as a guard. I think he's really kind of figured some things out. I use a little bit aimless early in his career but found some success at guard. He's still young. I think that's what I was looking. That's why I was trying to. That's that's why I lost my train of thought. Sorry I think he's still twenty-seven so he's still young guy. Oh He's actually twenty six so he'll he'll he'll turn twenty seven in the middle of his career so he still kind of fits that profile of a a young guy that that the cheese typically side and. He's big big dude. He's six seven three fifteen and he. He's not like this freakishly long. Lanky guy if you've never watched him play before he's he's got a very good base he's he's Todd Pete. Son A FORMER GUARD BACK. You know back in the day there. So he's grown up a rounded. He's just a very technically sound guys. Former first round pick played tackle. Excellent for the For the saints here for a long long time I would be super interested in adding him just because it would it would give you that Lynch Pin. That Matt was talking about that guy that you can kind of. Hold your head on no that. That guy's GonNa do his job and he's GonNa make the guys around him. That much. Better just gives you that extra little piece. Anyplace left guards. You could put him between Eric Fisher and wherever you're playing center next year and know that you're going to have an anchor in Iraq there. He's GonNa cost a Lotta money though he's GonNa get well well-paid the one thing that you're hoping for is that his injury history scares off some teams maybe helps you get a little bit discount. Because he hasn't played a full CFL. Single time is not started sixteen games. He has had pre significant injuries last couple years. Two years ago the playoffs he was carted off in an air cast last year. He missed over half season. He is not the healthiest player out there but he has the ability. You Y he has the ability to play with the pocket to anchor down along with a lot of other offensive linemen that have been very successful. Nefail he had a very good twenty our shuttle the short shuttle coming in the NFL. It's weird tests but Do good at that often are the better athletes in the NFL for offensive Lineman. So we were talking about earlier chiefs. Don't really have the most athletic into your group. They've had in a while. He helps that he gives you a guy that could get out in space. These outside zone runs in the screen game. You've gotTa make sure you keep healthy. Which is that and the cash. It'd be the biggest issues for him. And that's what's GonNa make his contract interesting and I still think he's probably a top tier guy because the youth because of the upside but there's still some questions there it's GonNa be fascinating to see how his market kind of shows up soccer about a mid tier guy and we'll go local here. We'll BJ fifty. Yeah from Wichita Kansas. My backyard hear them with college. Case STATE WAS CENTER AT K. State was an all American. There was signed as an Undergrad free agent for the steelers. He doesn't have a whole lot of experience. A He's played in forty three games in the past four years but he's only started nine of them so it's not a situation where they have given him a ton of reps at guard which where he's primarily played backing up some guys but last year they gave him a second round tender you know so they valued him well enough as a backup there to place at tender on him. Force teams had to give up a major asset to go and sign him. I I think that he he looks pretty good. They're like Matt said his ability to move is important. I think he moves really well. I think he's well built. He's a little smaller guy played center so he's got a little bit of versatility on the Interior there. I think that he could be a mid tier guy might even be a lower mid-tier guy just because he doesn't have that incredible experience. But I mean hey case date fans would love bringing him in. You're going to have a whole bunch of bj's Finney Jerseys mistakes so maybe Clark kind gives a little nudge down there to try and get something to happen. He was an undrafted free agent coming out so he's a guy that hasn't really got his big pay day yet and I don't know if he's going to. I don't think he's going to get a a big one. I I really don't I think he's probably a guy that you kind of have to ask yourself. Is this guy making your your center position. That much. Better like how. How big of an improvement is he gonNA make? What's IT GONNA take to get him? But I think these are the kind of questions and if you're looking for mid Tier Guy I think that's about right where the value is the truth. Be told for me though. I don't think that this is how the chiefs are going to approach the interior of their offensive line. I don't think it's going to be with a mid tier guy out. Actually be a little bit surprised if it's a top tier. I think it's GONNA wind up coming from the draft is my guess because I just don't know how much they're going to spend but from a value perspective. Bj Finney might be a guy that they take a look at the biggest thing that bj finished giving us he's got it's GonNa work in his own scheme in the you've seen him play in similar systems. He's a guy who wins with his general. Technique is a athlete. He's gotTa to the Point Guard or center. He covers a lot of the basics. You need to play the interior off. It's of line for the Kansas City chiefs. It's just the issue becomes. He hasn't proved that he can do it. At starting level long-term he has not had the place they choose. Just one with awesome writer. Whose essentially in the same general position. He played well in spot duty for another team that she's thought maybe in a bigger role with their team. They could get to work in a bag of mixed results. The only issue would be Finney's you might run that same issue but when your contract Spanish if you give them a lower tier that really low mid tier there's not a big risk there and especially the gallic Finney who's proven to valuable backup across three positions. It's worth the risk all right. Let's go ahead and talk about the best free agent fit Mattie. Were you thinking here? I think this is a pretty easy. One joke He's a guard for the New England. Patriots they should bring him back but the Patriots in this weird crisis. They don't know what kind of football team they are in. If they want to be a power running football team like they kind of point to sometimes job duties out that he's a good offense guard he could play in any scheme but he's excellent when you ask out in space. He's a very smart player. That played offense attack on college. Kicked immediately inside the Guard for the page has been nothing but good for them since he entered the NFL. He's athletic. He's more athletic dangerous. He gets out into space even better. He is perfect in a zone blocking scheme. He's been excellent for them. You ask him to make reach flocks flipped his hips rather defender. Get OUT INTO SPACE AND SCREAM GAME. He would be the guy that fits Free Agency the issues. When you're that specialized good and relatively young at the position. You really might get paid. I think he might teeter on the higher into free agency for all sorts of guards for guys for teams. That don't want Brandon Sheriff or bet on interest piece health because Healthy he's the guy that you're going to look for that Athletic Bobo. Interior offense lineman but manny. He would give the chiefs that top tier that upper tier guy to play off guard for them when he's still twenty seven so he still kind of you know kind of fits that profile the free agents that Brett beaches typically gone. But I mean he's got a lot of success early. I mean not just not just you know the super bowls but I think he's a good football player and he would fit outstanding we in this in this scheme in He's come the things that he's talked about. Though and I'm I'm kind of just thinking about general at the offensive line is how you navigate paying you know paying for your interior offensive line. He's a perfect fit and he would be exceptionally he would make this better long. The Interior is just trying to navigate. How much to spend how much to invest with all the issues that you've got with this football team already. You can't really afford to add eight expensive guard like this. Even though he is the best fit. Here's one thing that we haven't talked about a lot. The chiefs have a notoriously unhealthy interior offensive line. They don't get full seasons out of guys very often on the Interior. Their offense of line whether it be for one reason or another Joe thirty all he does is play football. All he does is show up. It'd be available every single game each just always there he. He's played four seasons in the league. Three of them. He started in Super Bowl and been a linchpin for an offensive line. That kept Tom. Brady clean this is a situation where you can go get a guy. That's Healthy Smart Fisher scheme and his young do it because you gambled with too many guys here where you've tried to take shots on lower level guys. You tried to hit at positions where you know where you could bargain. Din The guys that you did pay or you did invest in just can't stay healthy well enough until you're ended up playing guys. That are there. Backups anyway go hit somebody that's GonNa play through things. Go get somebody who's going to be available as much as they humanly can and pay that guy because that'll solve a lot of your problems all right guys. Do we think that the chiefs signed someone along their interior offensive line. I think they do. I don't know if that makes blache. I would like for them to make a splash. But I think that they've just got to add some kind of talent whether that might be even bringing back. Stephan was newsworthy. It might just be as simple as that but they do. Need to. Add some veteran presence at this position. I hope it's a big name. I hope they can invest a little bit of money in this position. Yes I think they signed somebody. It starts to offseason process as a projected starter. I like that could be a stephen was newsworthy. He would probably be a project to starter. Internet season given how the year ended so it could be relatively low tear. It could be all the way up to jody. I don't know I have a hard time reading what the chiefs are thinking the terms of importance in the interior offensive line. I don't think it's very high. I don't think the chiefs are going to think it's super high given what just happened this year so it might even be a Bj Finney these lower mid tier guys. But I do think they signed someone to be projected starter going into next season. I think if they signed anyone it's going to be a low valuation. It's going to be a guy like yeah like you said like even whiskey. I tend to lean that. They're gonNA look at all the options that they have inside in the building. I think they'll look at the draft and I think they'll try to piece it together that route and maybe they just think with another year under Austria. Riders Belt with another year With with with Martinez Rankin with with Andrew Wylie maybe if he's healthy or if he gets back on track maybe they kicked Cameron erving inside. Maybe they added draft pick. I think those are the options that you tend to look at even though obviously Joe Suny a guy who has been consistent and it was a lot of success in his career to this point would be a great addition an absolutely great addition our. Let's talk about the draft. Be Kaz It's draft season folks. It is full undress in the combines in two weeks the draft guide will be releasing in the near future or the pre orders will be releasing in the near future for all that. And let's start talking about these. Let's go with favorite prospect in the class on along the interior of the offensive line. Mattie earlier this week Craig told me in Kent to sit this without and just let us sit back. Relax you guys can do this right now. I'm a need everybody listening. Close Your Eyes Rack rate you draft fans just like me you draft nerd stink about everything you thought about Bradberry last year. All the love that was feud for gear bradberry as an offense The NFL has movement ability. How actually is in past Yada Yada? Yada picture all that in your mind now imagine Garrett Bradberry can actually play the NFL. Because he's not weak he can anchor in ways about twenty pounds more. That is Cesar. Ruiz Center at Michigan. He is a super athletic guy. It still comes in at six or three hundred twenty pounds and he probably could lose a little bit three hundred twenty pounds because he's a pretty big Doesn't have the most slim physique for center. But this is a guy in Michigan. A relatively old school power run football team until they realized shape. Patterson can't do that. He was asked him as a senator around the corner. They got him on the outside. He wasn't just climbing to the second level between the numbers. They pulled him around the horn. He did plenty throughout college. He looked really good doing his polls weather. He skipped pulling. He's opening his hips at the tournant. Run he looked fantastic key could cover incredible ground. He's strong anger on the inside. He may not have the most length. But you don't bow rush through him and just beat him good technique fantastic balance. If you're looking for something pick on him he's to mean he tries to go hit people in pass protection and sometimes use his passing lane sought. You have to fix but this guy can move. He can anger. He's got great balance. He is everything that everyone thi- Garry Bradbury was going to be just only good at football for the NFL level. Because he has power is what we're half if you WANNA offensive Senator Replace Mitch. Moore's UGO gets he's are released and ask him to do everything you ask the choice to do. I mean Yeah the worst part watching CAESAR REASONS. Tape is watching shape. Patterson like everything else. Everything else is glorious but Yeah ENOUGH SHAPE. Patterson slander my guy from Louisiana. Lafayette is Robert Hunt. Rubber Hunt played tackle for the San Lafayette. He played right tackle. He was supposed to be the senior bowl but he had surgery. Just before the bowl game that Louisiana. Lafayette played in. If you want to have the most fun watching an offensive Lineman go watch Robert Heavens tape. He is a bully he absolutely dominates within the first probably two minutes of turning on his tape used to watch him pancake four guys and not just like pancake them follow over on top of a guy who's trying to specific rush. It's ragged doling a guy to the ground and then jumping on top of him. He's a good mover. He doesn't have particularly great hands. Great feat great explosion but he moves well for a guy that side and power that he has in his hands. He just doesn't know how to use them yet. I would draft him. I'd move into right guard. Basically I'd slot him in there. Just say so you go out and you dominate the man right in front of you and then you bring along his mental side of his game. You bring along his hands you bring along as feet. I think he's got the athletic ability to do everything to Andy. Reid could want out of a guy like that. Plus you get the ability to get a guy that's bully. That's got that strength. That's got that power in his hands at ability to blow open running lanes and dominate guys in passing. I would just love to add him. Maybe around three B. Sticks around my head to trade for taking a little earlier than that and he's projected as a guard most people have him projected as a guard as it is right now my guys Matt Hennessy. I don't I think we've probably talked about him a little bit already. This season This dry season because we got to see him at the senior bowl. He's a center out of temple These six four three hundred pounds somewhere around there and I thought he had one of if you might have been the most consistent center at the senior bowl this this this past This past senior bowl and he was a guy that was able to have success against some of the more Some of the guys that were having a lot of success early along the Interior Defensive Line. He was shut a. Lotta people down. He's got great hands. I think he's got really good grip strength but I think he plays with. Good Hand Tech consistently. He moves really well for a guy his size. I don't think he's the most He anchors five. I don't think he's a guy that's always. He's not a power player like that's just not as game but I think if you put zone scheme. I think he's going to have a lot of success. He Smart He I think he learns as the game goes on. I think you know we saw at the senior bowl. I think he was learning. These guys learn the guys whose line up against as the week was going on and and I think that really served him well so I think he's pretty good value on day to potentially if you're looking around three and you're trying to. You're trying to address the center position. I think that's your next your your pivot man along the interior of the offensive line along the offensive line for the next ten years for Patrick Mahomes. I think he's a guy that could come in and start day one and you might be able to get him in round three okay. Let's talk about the best fit in the draft. He's probably will probably another guy we saw at the senior bowl from division three saint. John's in Minnesota Been Bartsch been played tackle the entire week at the senior bowl. His arms are just kind of right at that threshold. That thirty three inch threshold there. He moves so well we know any re- loves offense of Linemen that can move. He moves ridiculously while he used to run the hurdles and the four by four relay in high school. He was a former tight end that they converted and moved to tackle. So he's just got this natural movement ability and he looked good. He did not look over matched at the senior bowl for large parts of the week. He got better as the week went along. He didn't look as Overmach as some of the other offensive tackles that we saw lineup so he was a big name coming out of there. If I'm the chiefs I'm taking him. I'M GONNA move him inside with the idea that he's a guy that you can't kick back outside you can bring him along at maybe move him to tackle in future there but you can get something out of him early at guard when you bring him up to the NFL level and teach him the things that you need to teach him. I think he's smart enough to do it. He's going to be a big big way up there in the draft. Sorta Guy I think second round at sixty three might even be too late for him based on the buzz that he had come out of the senior bowl. That's the thing with bid barges. You need all the time. He's not a Guy. You're getting on this team to start anytime soon. Communes at least a year you have especially if you're GONNA kick him inside impeach him another new position being tied in convert dolphins tackle limited time at the position already. You'RE GONNA kick him inside again. I even wonder if the senior bowl one of the reasons he just played. Tackle was simply. Because that's what he did. He is solely late learning the position. They didn't WanNa make him do something. He wishes completely already for in terms of playing inside. But his athleticism P get so deep in his past sets on the outside of the tackle so it is different but he gets so deep so quickly but he's going to be one of your elite testers for an offensive lineman once you put him at guard maybe teach them how to snap. It's probably a little too tall for that but just anywhere you could put him on the field. He's GonNa get out there he's GonNa get in space. You have yourself another more different eight Cardiff kind of player. That needs a lot of work but has that topic athletic profile dealing differences. He probably comes in a lot better a lot more ready. He does have some form of technique. He does have a general idea of what he's doing in his Balance Somehow. He plays terrible center of gravity but he does full at all to doing so. That's a good body control. The goat that athleticism. He's again wherever he goes as long as he's not forced to play too early. I do think been Bartsch is going to be a guide. The league he'd be perfect that she system for that reason because I do agree. I think he's got a long ways to go. I don't think he's GonNa play your one in. If that's the case I I don't think you can take them before around three and that's just kind of where it falls line for me. I think as a developmental offensive Lineman I think he does have a lot of the raw materials that you like and I think that there are definitely some traits. That could make him a very good guard but if I am going to draft him I'm looking at day. Three are looking around three hundred earliest. I'm just looking at round three at the earliest for him. Because I know that I'm not getting anything out of him his first year. And if you're looking to to to make an improvement long the interior offensive line now. I don't think Ben Marshes the solution however all the raw materials what these guys are absolutely saying all the raw materials are there to develop into a very good guard. A very good guard. I let's talk about a day three sleeper Craig. Let's talk about Keith. Schmil Keith meal and other senior Bowl Guy. He flew a little bit under the radar. The senior bowl because frankly Nick Harris was so poor. He was the guy that everybody wanted to see coming in Hennessy was so good and cushenberry. Looked good as well. So Ishmael. Kinda got lost in the shuffle. A little bit at Center. But he had a great week he. He got to match up against a lot of these same guys and held his own. He looked good. He's from San Diego State University. Six three three hundred salaries. Well Bill looks good. You know moving reach blocking the the one on one drills. He shut down. You know at several guys that were having good days that we are you know good weeks that day and I. I don't know I really liked what we saw at a ishmail. I think he's just GonNa end up following because the need for center. I don't think there's going to be that many teams that are gonNA be drafting. These centers super high. I think he's just GonNa be fall through the cracks a little bit and you can get him a little later. I think he's capable of starting in the NFL and pretty quickly. I don't think there's a a major gap between the likes of Kis Ki Ki Fishmeal in a Matt Hennessy. Or guys like that. I actually think he's kind of up there. Like the reason I I think it'd be tremendous value on day. Three frankly cracow cracow said it. Best like he was not on either end of the spectrum at any point in the week he wasn't the Best Guy. He wasn't the worst guy but he was consistent throughout the week. And I thought and I. I don't think there was a ton of stuff that I was looking at saying. You know I mean. He's not a perfect prospect by me but there's nothing like is just completely deficient of his game. He's above average to average. You know with his hand. Tek with his anchor with his movement skills. Like there's there's just a lot to like about him. He's a solid player across the board. I think he's tremendous value on day. Three and I don't think there's a huge drop off between some of the guys that we've been talking about. I think the big thing for Keita. Smell is he doesn't have a standout trae. I think he's got good with with skills for the position. When you don't have a standout trait it's really hard to get pushed up in the draft especially a draft like this. It does have some good pockets at other positions. The people aren't really going to reach for a guy that probably can only play center in the League. I don't think he's long enough and big enough to really play guard. He's going to need to be a center. I think. So you're looking you're already limited the teams that are gonNA be interested Only teams that wants centers. Then you look just his style of play. He's not the biggest strongest body moving center. Kinda guy so you're not going to put him in the Tennessee. Titans scheme for example expect him to do some of that stuff so he just has a limited pool of teams that are GonNa look at him but what he does the best kind of fits teams white chiefs or other teams that run this zone blocking scheme that may ask them to get out space a little bit more may ask to make a few more reach blocks operate as a help block rather than on one guy in the woman that kind of separates him for me rather matt or even been barged in terms of being the perfect fit. I don't know if he's a top tier athlete. I think he's a good mover. I think he is capable of getting in space doing all that stuff. I don't know if he's going to be a Lee and I do think that's what keeps him down from that kind of level the other guys we're talking about here inputs. Monette day three sleeper camp to our team like the eagles or the chiefs could use him fairy effectively without him. Ever being stud that is going to do it for interior offensive line view. We will be back later this week with the first episode of the season of the AP draft show. We are so excited. We'll talk to you later.

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Thanks New York giants fans and welcome to another special edition of the Valentine's podcast as we continue our coverage of the twenty twenty. Nfl Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Blue View and as you know if you listen to what previous shows or if you've been reading Big Blue View I'm here in Indianapolis covering the combine for a couple of days trying to bring you some firsthand perspective. Bring you some audio clips bring you some analysis some news. Whatever we can hear well While the come by going on in Indianapolis so today's show is today was offensive. Line Day in Indianapolis running backs also spoke to the media but from New York giants perspective with Saquon Barkley in place. This was the data focus on offensive line and I chose early this morning. When interviews began I chose to speak with MCI Becton. The the monstrous three hundred sixty four pound offensive tackle from Louisville. You'll hear clips from that a little bit later on you'll also hear clips from Andrew Thomas the offensive tackle from Georgia who may also be a consideration for the giants early in the first round. And you'll hear from Temple Center met Hennessy. Who is a guy who is from the New Jersey area and could be a mid round option for the giants? If they're looking for a center at some point in the middle of the draft wanted to Talk a little bit Before we get to the audio clips a little bit especially about my impression of MCI Becton. This is a massive massive individual six foot seven and change three hundred sixty pounds in change. Listen I was covering the giants a couple of years ago when. Dj fluker was a giant and at that point time standing next to DJ fluker. I thought I was standing next to the biggest individual you know that I had ever stood next to the the most monstrous looking man who I ever dealt with it and this guy is two inches bigger twenty pounds heavier and he's not flabby. He is he is built. He's solid. He's in shape. Beckton was in a very entertaining interview. Today he talked a lot about About his basketball background which he he played basketball through high school which helped him. He said with his footwork. He was very adamant that he wants to be the first offensive lineman taken in this draft. And let's face it. The giants could easily make him the first offensive lineman taken in this draft with the fourth overall pick or perhaps even with a trade down a couple of spots if if Dave gettleman decides to get creative and take that risk for the first time in his in his career as a general manager but Beckton was very very impressive today. He spoke to a crowd of of media that included a lot of folks from New York. A lot of giants beat writers. He he spoke about playing in New York. He spoke about liking what he called. The grimy -ness of the city. You know I'm I'm not exactly sure what he meant by grinding is. He just said that he felt like new. Yorkers were tough people and he liked the city he also talked about you know why he likes being an offensive tackle. Why he likes being the biggest offensive. Lineman this is a guy who likes to intimidate people. He LIKES TO KNOCK PEOPLE DOWN. He likes to push people around. He likes to be dominant spoke to duke many weather. Good friend of Big Blue View. Who's been on our show a few times duke? If you don't know you can find it at big Duke. Fifty on twitter and Duke is an offensive line performance consultant and apologize to Duke. If I didn't quite get that title right I know that that his title is sort of a mouthful but duke works with Ole Line or oh L. masterminds which was the brainchild. I guess initially Philadelphia Eagles Right Tackle Lane Johnson and Beckton happens to be one of the players training with many weather and duke said basically when he looks at when he looks at MCI Becton. He sees an NFL version of Lebron James. He sees a player with a unique build with a unique skill. Set that the NFL has not seen before. He said what he said to me is. Mikhail Becton is a new bar for. Nfl offensive tackles. He's a new standard said that in his mind. He's one hundred percent certain that MCI Becton should be the first offensive tackle taken in the NFL draft. Now full disclosure as I said Duke works with Becton. He does not work with Andrew. Thomas or generic wills for tristen worth's so obviously there may be a little bit of bias in in what? Duke is saying but please read the article at Big Blue View. If you haven't had a chance to do that already get a little better perspective on Becton. Rehill bit more. About what do cad to say about about the big offensive tackle from Louisville. Also wanted to mention that. I had a chance to to sit in an interview session today with Andrew Thomas who also spoke pretty well about why he believes. He's the best offensive tackle in this class. Although at this point most draft analysts. Don't see it that way at one point in time. Thomas was considered the number one offensive tackle seems to have slid behind Jed rick well wills of Alabama and perhaps Becton at this point in time. But you know beauty's in the eye of the beholder you never know. This is a guy who had a really good career at Georgia. He was really well. Spoken today spoke a little bit about his love for music. How he was a drummer in highschool how he eventually gave that up and how he's been learning to play the piano. Which is interesting just tells you a little bit. You know that this is a guy who although he loves football? He has other interests outside of football. He's a well rounded person. You know any but again. He spoke about about his. You know his desire to you. Know to be the best offensive lineman coming out of what is a pretty deep offensive line class. I didn't get an opportunity to speak with the with Jack. Wills or with Tristen wirth's hopefully we'll get a chance at big blue view to look over some of the remarks that those guys made him bring you some of that in the next few days but also had got a chance to speak with Matt Hennessy. From temple for a minute or two. Hennessy's a kid a local kid really. Who would really like to be a giant in a lot of ways? Hennessy's brother plays for the New York jets. So if you're if If you recognize the name. That's why obviously the giants with John Jala. Po having suffered a torn Achilles tendon at the end of last season and really not having played all that incredibly well throughout the season. Anyway the giants could be in the market for a new center for the twenty twenty season. So keep Hennessy's name in mind as you do that also in a minute or two here. I'm going to play the audio clips that I promised for you. Did something a little unusual. A little bit interesting had simply had fun with this today. When Joe Joe Jr was introduced as the giants head coach? He spoke a lot about wanting teachers to be his assistant. Coaches about wanting to hire guys. Who who were teachers not presenters one of the phrases that he used was. I want these guys to teach me how to make a peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich. Teach me how to make the best. Pb AND J. That's possible and and you know since we're at the combine I took the opportunity to To ask a couple of the lesser known offensive Lineman guys that You know what happens at the combine is the they have eight podiums set up so the top eight players. The guys that are considered the top eight prospects get to get to to stand up podiums in do media sessions with a microphone and with everybody you know standing in front of them the rest of the guys get to sit at tables in in a corner of the of the the ballroom at the Indiana Convention Center in guys. Come by talk to them. You know sometimes these guys sit there with with nobody talking to them. I took the opportunity to talk to Kyle Murphy and Offensive Lineman from the University of Rhode Island and John mulching another offensive lineman from Boise State. And it pretty much in honor of Joe Judges. Pb and J. Statement. I asked these guys to give me their best instructions on how to make their best. Pb and J. Sandwich put up a poll big blue view as well and actually the the Murphy is as we do this show. The Murphy is running away with that with that. Particular poll in in a bit of a landslide. Seventy something percent to twenty something percent. You'll actually get a chance to hear little bit of of the clips of of those guys telling me how they would make their ideal. Pb and J. Sandwich. Let's take a quick break for word from our sponsors. Then we'll come right back and we'll play those audio clips for you. Hello this is Jesse David Fox. I'm a senior editor at vulture. And the PODCAST. A podcast about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian comedy writer or director of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with a pen and the pad and physically write down everything I just has not my style turns out comedians. Take jokes pretty seriously. I like all jokes. Okay that's what I do. That's what I live with is really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you sort of learn from this? What was your takeaway? Nothing I am not? I'M NOT SHOULD MARK CURSE. Good one from vulture and the box media podcast network. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcast. App You do not use the PUCK. Kappa. I'll let a great question Jesse David Fax on the most dominant tight on his dress. You wouldn't go all comedian so that I finished almost every play so I have to pull them that. I loved to finish I mean just to take the tape soldier but they have to have to tell them that I have the passionate love. Football Games because My background of other sports play. I'm not really passionate about it and My twenty eighteen film wasn't passionate about football so I have to explain to them that I am passionate about football forward. You can tell I'm relied on my So I feel like basketball football and pass along with the giants giants have. Do you expect him to. What about the giants intriguing bloop laureate like I like guys grinds? The state might know words. This tough I love New York. We'll talk with what? What do you think you can do for a running back over the whole we're behind me? I've gone to us now. Pretty Much Balmy matter. What quality of running back. It is still blocked off no matter. Who would if it's Barkley still blocked motel no matter who I try to Mimic McCain after mix tyron Smith Chant Williams just because his absolutism and then tyrod smoke hop assistant his revised plan Definitely not just the drawers personally like I wanted to be the best Our hard every day to be the best of. Why are we doing this if you don't you don't WanNa be vessel everyday? I train I WANNA be the best. Obviously all of these talented. So I'm just doing my best short I can do. I think yesterday. My measurements will good. I think that helps and then just meters showing them how intelligent I am and then obviously on the on the future how athletically I remember so I don't know if you guys know better. I'm very musically inclined. I all my family grew up. Corn up in the church Play the drums things like that and by freshman year in High School. I was still in the band enjoying everything. And my Keiko's Christly told me that chance to write my own ticket playing football and loved the game breath. Music was still know something very important me and he told me that. You know I'm GonNa put my focus on football and that's what I did. I still love music but you know I'm putting my Orlands Bar and I'm here now I played the drums in the band. Then when I went to college obviously can do anymore so I tried to transition to the time. I think it goes back to school questions. The plane I don Bosco crappy. North Jersey played guys like Nicholas and Sean Garrett like while those measures were favorable for high school I definitely saw that can be with those guys'll get into college incredible actually. I grew up huge giants. Fan like season tickets once every game through probably probably like twenty ten of but that'd be credit whether my brothers with the jet so so that'd be awesome to the player. I studied as a young player was Alex when I first got to temple coaches can put the browns went out. Matinees are still around and found that he was an awesome player to watch it and learning. I think centre especially more significant differences to make calls of it as soon most senior. Got The same thing whereas the center is getting everybody line. And then not having your snap handwrite away. Essentially through that verse half a second understanding the left or the right. If you're a lefty so I'd say that those are almost simultaneously. You're going to snap it and shoot the left a lot of times though Tel de Lineman. No that that you just have left available slow go after so a lot of it's just about Jello ball and giving yourself that space so you can recover it. The giants just hire Joe Judge as their head coach at his introductory press conference. He talked about when he was going to hire coaches wanted teachers. He said I want guys who could teach me how to make the best peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich in the world. So make me peanut butter and Jelly. Okay sounds good so tell me how to make so okay so tell me how to make a peanut butter and jealous or the ultimate the best peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich? So first thing I like to do is I got to White bread that I have opened up walked and I. I love Strawberry Jam so I make sure that there's a good. I'd say a good amount of strawberry jelly with a even spread like not too much not too little so you get a good sweet taste and then I also prefer a chunky peanut butter on the other white Visit Bread and spread that Open I don't like I'm not too much of a peanut butter guy so I just want a little bit of hint of it also like the chunking Senate so you have more did you. And then before you fold them. I like bananas so I just sliced them up and Evenly put the put them throughout the peanut butter side and now flip it butter. Jelly and there you go. That's the banana. That's that's that's the secret ingredient for me that he's meeting. I mean I you gotTa get good bread What are you going to get? My favorite is multi grain. And you gotta get go peanut butter some real peanut butter and me person. Crunchy your crunchy or smooth. I'm I'm big smooth guy or I don't like too much Kanji but yeah you peanut butter and You know I always put the peanut butter on the bread and I was loaded up with the peanut butter. And I'm I'm kind of with that so I got to spread it perfectly and then the other piece of rather yours gotta get good Jelly and I'm a big strawberry jelly guy all perfect but like that that kind of the old fashioned strawberry jam and with the yeah. Yeah and you know. You spread that with the piece of bread. You don't put as much as a peanut butter. We've put a decent money. Goes pretty evenly like the peanut butter. And then you put them together. Cluster no crust. Oh crust all the way or or a giants fans at Valentine back here at the Valentine's views podcast hope you enjoyed those Those audio clips from here in indy on this On what is a a snowy Wednesday here in Indianapolis? One More Day for for me. Here in Indiana. I'll be at the combine on Thursday defensive linemen and linebackers will be on the menu on Thursday. So maybe we'll get a chance to talk to to chase young. Maybe we'll get a chance to talk to Isaiah Simmons. We'll have to see what today brings in an who were able to get a chance to speak with during the day but hopefully we'll bring you another podcast on Thursday evening in. Hopefully you'll be looking forward to that and as always giants fans. Please remember to subscribe to Big Louie Radio on all of your favorite podcast applications and remember to take a listen to Tuesday's show which includes audio clips of Dave gettleman and Joe Judge as they met with the media. All right. Thank you giants fans and we'll talk to you soon. 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Falcons training camp week 1 with Jason Butt

The Falcoholic

1:00:36 hr | 3 months ago

Falcons training camp week 1 with Jason Butt

"This is the hall podcast official, Cassidy Atlanta Falcons on the espionage podcast that work I'm Dave Walker you told me W, and as always I'm joined by my co host, the one and only gene. Kelly. Doing right, David things, power you. Got Literally that was both a awkward in Alcoholic. Pause to get your name right now I'm of like my wedding so. Case. Actors. Jan knows what I'm talking about. Today. We are talking about the first full week of the Falcons, twenty twenty training camp as we rocket towards the start of what will undoubtedly be a very interesting NFL. season. Joining, US is one of the few writers who actually allowed to be at flowery branch Obviously, the NFL's being extremely cautious. With cove nineteen going on. And he's there because mostly he's a cool dude and he has a swab sense of style. His is currently working with the AJC to cover the Falcons and is one founders of tackler media, the one and only Jason but Jason joining us fan. Thanks for having me on. Yeah. Awesome. Let's jump into it and the the biggest that's hit in recent days which I wanNA touch on real quickly as the cut of Jerome Brown I think coming into this season the falcons new they had a gap at left guard they rotated I think thirty five games in the position last year. Demaim Brown being one of them James Carpenter West Schweitzer. The ghost of RB doll. I. Think got some snaps at one the. Parents yet he made the Pierce. basically, they knew they had problems at left guard they had signed the two free agents. Brown honestly is the younger of two. I think a lot of people thought he was the better of the two between him and carpenter arbiter thirty one brown is believed twenty seven Jason W I on this one are you surprised that Brown was the cut or do you think that the injuries in the concussion all that just set him so far behind that ultimately was what made the decision He just as nice of a guys he is. He just did not perform and. His If you WANNA be call what it is when he got sick last week and then he followed it up with the concussion the protocol. And that was that. Was a Sunday's practice he was out there You know. Plan defensive tackle, and that was that didn't see him. As a scout team guy didn't see him taking offensive line rep at that point. Lead Nigh sitting together as AJC cohort. We were like, okay like this. This might be the beginning of the end and then sure enough didn't take long You know and then Mon- Monday Monday's practice not Sunday's practice book Monday That doesn't happen later that day. So it didn't really surprise me just because they really like Matt Hennessy. I think James Carpenter is more of a stable backup you're not going to. Give up the kind of Allegations you're not you're not. You're not giving something up by having carpenter in there you you may be art gaining any any ground anything stronger. You're not. You're not blowing people off the ball. You're you're not getting that right now at his age of of his career but. He's not a detriment. Poor Jamaa Brown. I'd like I said Nice Guy Great Guy to talk to but he just did not have it last year and clearly he was behind this year and and they need a they felt they needed a roster spot and we'll probably see that soon on the next couple of days. Yeah Gina surprised by the move. Brought in both these guys. Feels like a century ago but it was just last year. Are You surprised that they've moved on this quickly. I am but I do think that it has a lot to do with the limited roster size this year I mean if they weren't having to work with just eighty players and camp I think they. Would have kept him around longer but you know for all the reasons that Jason mentioned it makes sense and I agree he's a super nice guy ends I wish him the very best. But yeah, I think that more than anything just having to limit the roster size was probably a factor there. Is Jason mentioned I think the. The rise of Hennessy. To being maybe the front runner at this wait for the left guard spot is I think a little bit surprising because clearly when they drafted Hennessy it was. Clearly intended to be the long term replacement for Alex Mack. Center. And I don't want to jinx it. This reminds me a little bit of The first year Peter Cons was here where they slotted him in at right guard knowing that he would eventually replace Todd McClure center. And I don't think that I don't think the two things are comparable because Well, Peter Cons just sucked. In that that didn't help but. This does it feels similar in in the you know the way they're trying to sort of ease him in on the offensive line have him play in a different position? So interesting to see that you know they're making moves this early although gene you said, you know the roster size, the limitations there. It's probably a big factor in Honestly right now the falcons. They are clearly in win. Mode and I think they're they're ready to just get to the roster that they know is going to be the one that they're. GonNa Deploy on the first game season so All right Jason you've been at camp you see what's going on. You've seen the highlights for what they are obviously will put the normal caveats here that we always do just because some random wide receiver catches a great jump ball camp does not mean he is the next Julio Jones but with that said whether some of the key takeaways from camp early on whether it's from the free agents, some the rookies, some second year guys what is jumping out US maybe a significant development the thing that sort of resonates in the first weeks of our. Say Dante Fowler Looks Legit and I think that He practices a much different way than I anticipated I think part of my hesitancy to buy into the hype early was. Just what transpired in Jacksonville? I mean. Obviously, he had a great year with the rams last year. Came on strong in the Super Bowl, run the season before after he was traded but he's out there. He's constantly engaging with the coaches. He's mentoring younger players he had A. Great Spin Move. I know Beasley obviously everybody talked about Veasley spin move all. That is kind of running joke but. Great Spin move the other day on Kayla mcgarry that opened my eyes I think the guy is he's looking the part and I think. That's something that has stood out and then. You know it's funny Early in camp, typically, the defense is the head of the offense and that's been the case but they offense hasn't really caught up in a haven't really seen anything out of the offense couple run places I do run blocking should improve this coming year off the right side of assuming Lindstrom is able to to stay healthy Human Kayla I really do I really am buying into to those guys on the right side but I haven't seen a whole lot there granted. It's camp there is still a bit of vanilla stage of things but. The, the defense I think the one thing is usually by now after a few practices, the offense starts catching up and we haven't really seen that yet it's it's been a it's been a lot of the defense making making plays out there and So take that for what it is. It's tough to know without having any exhibition games in anything other than the practices. If that means the defense is ready to take a step in start fast unlike the last couple of years but you know so far it's been more more. Than all send. Some standout. Very interesting Gina adjacent mentions Don Fowler which it's funny I. Feel like a people have forgotten that we we signed him you know with all of the other recent free agent signings of the name came after him in the draft but You know we let VIC Beasley Walk. There's a whole other entire story that we covered on other podcasts about. His deal in Tennessee and what's going on there. But it feels like what Fowler he's obviously the expectations are high. Same draft classes. Beasley. went just a little bit ahead of him Do you feel like? He is flying under the radar. Do you think that he he does feel the pressure of sort of coming in and having to be that Premier Pass rusher that the Falcons are clearly spur four one yeah I mean everything that Jason has said about him is really encouraging to me. I really didn't know what to expect either I was much more familiar with what he did in Jacksonville and how that all went. So I didn't really know what to expect but I was hopeful that we would have somebody who's more consistent than victims Veasley was and I mean, it sounds like he is sounds like he could be that guy and hearing about him mentoring the younger players and stuff is super encouraging. Yet I WanNa add to because I. Feel like people forget this but. Don't say for hours first year was sidelines. In large part because of his acl tear but he had a believe, he tore it before camp even really lead out than it was in the it was not as many. It was it was way. Yeah so he he he didn't even really have a rookie year. And you know. I think people always go back to some of the extreme examples of guys come back after like six months like Adrian Peterson from ACL injury. But that is that's a severe knee injury. It takes some guys longer to recover. So. There is a very real possibility that the fowler is really sort of now hitting his stride and you know if you buy into that is Jason mentioned you know he had his best year last year with the Rams Point to the fact that Aaron Donald was on the inside in ill I I'll point out that Grady Jarrett is arguably one of the top pass rushing defensive tackles in the league. So he'll probably benefit from that as well. So it's nice to hear that he standing out. It's nice to hear that. It least from the reports I've seen, he is showing the kind of drive that you want to see from a guy who's getting paid to come in and be a premier pass rusher. So Good news there. All right. There are some other names I think they're standing out for better for worse. In camp so far obviously a everyone is interested in how rookies are doing especially right now with the way that. The NFL in teams have had the deal with. The current pandemic rookies really didn't have. A traditional Rookie camp a lot of it was virtual. If will will homework assignments. Instead of. Real life contact with their coaches. Absurd. Gino together here first before we talk about specific rookies Do you feel like with with that particular approach with rookies? I mean obviously there really wasn't another choice. It's not like they're gonNA. Bring him in here and run the risk of getting people sick, right. But do you think that that virtual learning which I think is? Something that a term that none of us really knew was going to be a major thing in twenty twenty you think that virtual learning is going to put this class potentially behind in limit their ability to produce in two thousand twenty where do you think that it's going to be still coming down to each individual player in how ready they were coming out of College Yeah I think that it probably is going to come down to that because you know. Players coming out of college should be good. The students of the game. On top of knowing how to physically prepare. And so even though it's a tough transition for rookies time you know in college, their lives are much more regimented in like organized for them. So then when they have to be response to themselves. Actually, doing the work and staying physically prepared. That's a big adjustment. But yeah, I think that it just comes down to Vikings said how prepared they were coming out of college. and is sterling Hof Richter, your your your number one guy that you're watching right now gene I, mean. To me, of course has to be because his name is sterling. Khaw. Richter. It's a really great puncher names. I think fans will be watching him to see if he knows how the tackle the jets coach on the sidelines. Nobody will ever be better the map officer. Yeah. Jason, clearly, you haven't seen tackle any coaches in camp of the rookies so far which ones have stood out obviously, you know the big name is Aj Terrell in being a first round pick. You would hope that he's standing out though there are other guys that maybe you're flashing your little by or that maybe you're showing up in ways didn't expect. I'll briefly touch on AJ. Really like what he's done so far and I think they've put him in a lot of situations matchup against Julio. New last year. It's kind of funny Julio didn't. Participate. In any of the preseason action, he's been going every day this year and that's that's given. Aj. Terrell. One on one match ups time and time again in AJ Julio has gotten his don't get me wrong but AJ has A. Held his own at times Ben. Strapper strat on nine routes sometimes and I think that it's only gonNA benefit him. Yeah. Now he's I've been really impressive agents Ralph, the other rookie that stood out as Michael Walker? He's made allowed plays linebacker fourth-rounder Fresno state. He. He he's he's fast and he he just he he just play smart and talking to him the other day he mentioned football's just the game itself is something he's always been able to pick up on really quick. So you know I'm not trying to say this guy's GonNa go and take Reps. I fully anticipated being beyond Jones and Foyer Lucan. Furthermost. Art You know with Mike Walker working maybe in some south packages, but most of being a special teamer early but he's been somebody that think if something happens to so Depot and foyer that he can be somebody that that can. Come in and play his role in and not be A. Hindrance. To the team a couple of undrafted guys Neela. I'd say Mikey Daniels Blanket for a second Mike Daniel running back fullback at South Dakota state. Special teamer first and foremost I. Don't know if he'll make the fifty three I can't say that but. He has he's like cj ham that's the comparison and He was running back in college. But he's playing a lot of right now playing with the second team i. saw him yesterday Or Monday I should say he. A Whole Textbook Block next play them out in the slot runs a stop route and the stop route frozen nickelback camera who it was but that second allowed Christian Blake to the come open good route runner. This a very, very versatile guy impressed with him and then the other guys Chris Roland think a lot of people have had their eyes on him receiver but he's in that returner mix and he's looked pretty good Mostly at returner at the field, every pot. As flashed on occasion just in in space I think you know he and Brandon Powell pretty good battle right now going for that Turner spot really interested to see if if Roland ends up on the fifty three much like Allama Days Aquinas was at the start of last year. Yeah. No kidding. Yet it always seems like with NFL teams. the Falcons maybe in particular I'm sure this whole. Across League, there always seems to be one or two guys that sort of surprisingly sneak onto the back end of the roster. I think it's your point. Zacchaeus was that guy last year? Maybe these are two names found pay attention to cut start coming in as we get into September so Mike Daniel Chris Rolan a great stuff, and obviously you know just put this out there again, you guys follow Jason on twitter read AJC he is covering can't actively a one of the few guys get to do and he does a great job. So. I'M GONNA ask about a few names because I feel like these are. Their second year guys there guys that are going to be expected to contribute more this year either starters or as rotational guys the one they I want to start with because I've seen some reports that says he's looking pretty good he looks part. Is John Kaminsky. Obviously, he was a little bit late around draft pick last year. Showed flashes in the preseason I think everyone bought into more because of his long term potential even the falcons organization did like hype videos about him, which was sort of weird for a guy that was drafted outside the first three rounds. But. Early returns on him Jason Any thoughts on Kaminsky in have has he stood out to you or is he not someone that's really laying on your area? Yeah. It's so tough to for media. We're not as smart as we may appear to be sometimes. When it when it comes to when it comes to looking at. D. Lineman. De La Allama, and you can kind of figure out if a guy's getting beat or not but dilemma and when it started and and they're not able to go one hundred percent practice it, it becomes really tough to tell like what they're dealing if it's going if it's if that's a great play, it's not a great play and. But what you can do is is take what people have said about him and you know Dan is going to say everybody's Great Anyway. But. You know when when he's asked the the single out people. He singled out Kaminsky he singled out Chris Lynch during which. I'll go on record at crystal is going to be a pro baller fully anticipate I don't know if you will this year by year three, four or five is going to be going pro bowls multiple pro bowls. John Kamensky was the other guy that he's singled out without any prompting whatsoever. that that he said he fully into space making the jump now the thing with Kaminsky. When. They drafted him the goal all along was to be a nickel. Interior Pass rusher like Jack, Jack Crawford is basically John Kamensky they're the same body type. They're the same kind of movement, the same kind of player. So when drafted Kamensky and they said at the at the draft news conference of both the Dan and Thomas when they when they said that they envisioned him as a Interior Guy Long-term ma thought was well there goes Jack Crawford ever returning to the Falcons after twenty. Nineteen? Just. The same player and so. That that's that's what he's been doing practice is he's been playing that role in pass rushing situations and So yeah, I think the early returns on Kaminsky are good. Yes. I. I wish I was a had a more of A. Intelligent answer in terms of izzy looking the apart can we expect big things or not I? Really don't know and Honestly, even the even the coaches they can make him break down the practice film and like what they see a once you're once you're live and you're going. Full. Speed one hundred miles an hour. You just don't know until then so but you know so far so good. It sounds like the right people are are believe in him and making that jump. As awesome, Gina. Jason mentioned earlier. That he was. Sort of buying into Lindstrom and mcgarry on the right side of the line. Two guys that were drafted last year again, second year players. You just heard what you said. Lindstrom. I think. A lot of people have echoed that sentiment that believing that Lindstrom is a legitimate, a pro bowl caliber, interior offensive linemen. A lot of people are hoping mcgarry turns around his rookie season which to be fair. He missed a lot of time due to the hardest issue add in camp and it took him out for the season a how important? Is it not just for the offense maybe for Matt Ryan Particular. that. These two guys in your to make a significant job and. Live up if you will to the hype. of It seems like they're starting to get in the early days of camp. Well. You know I think that no matter what I think that four offensive lineman the since the NFL is an even bigger adjustment than a lot of other positions just because the speed of the game it's so different. So typically guys going their second year with another offseason under their belts they're gonNA comment and they're going to play work cohesively. With the other guys on the lines that said, this was very unusual offseason. So I don't know if that will hinder their development going into air tube but yeah, like and saw some promising things from them last year when they were healthy and on the field, and so I think that there's a chance that they with another off seasons to get adjusted. Will be decent this year and help Keep Matt Upright. I really really hope so. Yeah I I don't want to tweet anymore those images of Matt Ryan being accosted by like a thirteen defensive players at once it seemed like. That is a terrifying picture especially for a quarterback is going into his mid thirties and arguably does not need to be hit. Thirty Times a game. So hopefully, Lindstrom imaginary up to the hype. So before we talk about the rest of the rookies dive into the free agents that Falcons abroad and how they're looking at camp so far we're GonNa take a quick break. We'll be right back. Support, for this podcast from cdw In del Technologies. 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Are you surprised by this development or do you think it was in the Falcons plans along to get this rookie on the offensive line in his rookie year? It was it was by design they wanted him to start that's just based on my observations is based on things I've heard. That he's a guy that they they loved from day one the fact they got him in the ninety day one I- pre-draft everything like they. They were shocked. That e I shouldn't say. Show is more like I was was there in the third round. Based on talking to people around the League team sources to centers in interior linemen were really valued past drafts. You take a guy like, Hennessy. I thought he was for sure a second rounder I thought. They were GONNA, wind up with a guy like Nick Harris. I thought the third round would be when they took an interior linemen. Just the fact that Hennessy was available was was just getting really really fortunate and then a gallic Nick Harris doesn't even go to fifth route. Just a really weird year for Interior Linemen and that. There seemed to be a lot of hype and adjusted fall. The board did not fall for them. Nearly as well as a lot of people anticipated. You look at what the Falcons were returning upfront. West Weizer left in free agency to you just you knew that they weren't GonNa go in. With Jim Brown and James Carpenter cemented as the starter now if they like James Carter. James Carpenter. I'm like blending Jim Brown. James. Carpenter. If they liked James Carpenter. Would they liked what he did last year then he would they would have been no competition it would have been you gotta read between the lines with that you would have they would have come in and said, all right. We got our five lawman everybody's back. This is great but you know they brought back four linemen from last year and said Oh yeah. By the way, the guy who started the most games at left guard is not the starter. So. You take it for what it is. Matt. Tennessee was GONNA get every chance you know Maggie No. Clearly. Experiment. He started off getting wraps with the ones. Now he's playing tackle again maybe he gets another shot maybe he doesn't But when you look at how things that have transpired sense. Hennessy's getting. Ninety five, ninety, six percent of the reps nine, six, I mean you I'm calculating it. I. Don't know where I why I said ninety six, ninety, five. He's getting most if not all there have been instances where carpenters gotten in, but it's been mostly Hennessy the last the last three four practices or says so. not surprised. I think that that's really what they prefer I. Think they feel they're in a better position if Hannity as the starter. Fantasy is the starter as opposed to one of the guys up was on the roster roster. It's interesting. You brought up the name that I think. I personally was watching thinking that he would get a legitimate shot at at left guard Nets Matt Gano. In. I saw that Quinn sort of waffled on where he even wants him to play on the offensive line where he wasn't even sure if he wanted him at guard or if he wants Mitt tackle. And I will say Gina the I want to go to this. To, get your thoughts. I feel like in the NFL when it comes to the offensive line, obviously the five starters are critical. It's that six guy that is really you know it's very rare to have offensive line that plays all sixteen games in a set six guy who is swing tackle or the inside inside that has. Value and sometimes they have more value. Being, someone you can turn to pinch as opposed to. Automatically sliding them start reducing that maybe how falcons or playing this 'cause they clearly light Gono they they talked him a lot last year that. They've been trying him as a starter. This year early on in campus. Jason mentioned. Gona that they're they're trying to to just make sure they have something there. From Death Sam Point, in case, one of those one of these guys goes down during the season. Yeah I mean I just would like to I'm asking you all to think back to the game against the Vikings several years ago where the Falcons Scott so thin come along the offensive line lavine toilet low heavenly. So. I guess what I'm asking you is, would you rather have go as the sixth man here or would you rather have toilolo? But we all answer. I mean I think that it is really important especially this year because of the rest of a player getting sick contracting kkob it and having to be out for two weeks I think that this year more than ever that offensive line position especially if it's somebody that has the versus holiday to play interior or exterior line Yeah. I. Think that I think that that person is a huge asset to any team this year. It Is Such an interesting name too because the Falcons have talked them up. His either his rookie year they you know they sort of stashed him on the fifty three man roster because there was a lot of talk around the league. I think that other teams were waiting for him to get cut you know they were gonNA. Sign him. He was cut. In the Falcons I think wisely kept him around thinking this guy's got some long term potential. And yet, we haven't seen that happen yet. So Jason Outta, the MIS my mind or. Is there some potential gathered to the Falcons still liked him I do think it is part of the goal to maybe using more is a six man if you will or. Is he just not living up to the hype what is the story in your mind with Ghana? Yes, definitely a story in my mind because I don't know what they're thinking with him. A main I I clearly thought that he was going to be a guard just. Guard if you need them tackle, you can but train them at guard and then. They move back to tackle and I even thought this last year he got some guard grabs in the preseason. Easing started. Back. attack. But yeah. I. Mean. That's six man who can play guard and tackle. That is valuable quite honestly they don't have many tackles right now You know when you look at you got Jake Matthews. Caleb mcgarry. and. Then after that John Wetzel and the kid from Buffalo as I can't pronounce his name actually. Chick. Says Asia Okay Cesar Check Yeah And They don't. Yeah. The just numbers wise. They don't have tackles so when you take that into. Perspective perspective or just you think about it it's like. Okay, what do you do is John Wetzel he is he your. Tackle Guard swing your swing offensive linemen. He's played some guard I believe in the past. But. Then there's. He's getting second team left tackle reps right now what's getting right? Right Cycle Rep. so clearly if something happens Jake Matthews I I don't know I would imagine no steps up honestly and you keep Caleb mcgarry on the right side because I don't know the last time Kayla Gary played left tackle quite honestly. he's more of a run blocker anyway. And and you know last year he had an adjustment with with past protections. That's another thing you have to think about. So over there are a lot of variables that play that you mentioned and. While people like me would assume that gallic magnano should should stay at guard and and keep ripping guard. And maybe there is value to him being there and maybe he's even. Even or on par with with a guy like Matt Hennessy because you know you're going to get rookie mistakes with a guy like Kennedy making that jump from The AA, see to the NFL. Guinot Google granted he. He doesn't really have much game experience. You know at least you would think he's seasoned in the system a little bit more. Off that said, maybe his role is that that six offensive lineman that he just has to be that role right now because he can play tackle, they don't have the numbers. Backing up whether it is Jagmatti's or Kayla mcgarry they. They just don't have the numbers right now and says that very well could be playing into that decision. Yeah. It this and this I think the offensive line. Structure going into the season will be one to watch because you know to your point there is not much depth and this sort of points back to issues they've had in the past. and you know unless you're a big believer in John Wetzel. You know I'm not putting money on that on the in Vegas but. Unless you're big believer in that then you know they've got some question marks again I'll offensive line when you get past the the I five guys so. I do want to turn to some the free agents We already heard about Donte Fowler, how he is really least looking the part obviously, he has to deliver during the season but are some other names, I think Falcon Spans are interested in hearing about. Gina. I WanNa go to you here I feel like with this particular name. It is there is no in between in how people are going to think about this particular player obviously he had. An amazing career at Uga. I think. When the Falcon signed him there was out on say controversy. As much as you know, some people chalked it up to being a PR move more than was a football move which maybe silly. But what are your thoughts on? Todd. girlies free agent what he could mean for the team obviously Devante Freeman did not live up to his previous standards last year. So it was clear. They weren't going to keep him around, but you feel like girly on the one year deal is the right way to go where you more a fan of running back by committee with guys, Brian Hill and Quadra Ellison or is he the right? From a PR and a football standpoint. Yeah I mean I think you know I'd lean toward a three. was as far as running backs in my opinion, the best player available BP A. Free Agency. And no I love and I love that we still get the joke about him trolling. That's he in with us with the beep. but yeah, no I like the signing you know Georgia. I'm I don't care about Uga but I know obviously there in ton of Georgia fans who are Falcon stands and they're going to be excited about it and yeah I mean I think that we has the the scale and the talent to be really effective I. Just hope that he has the durability that's all that I'm concerned about. Because it seems like in the past several years is health is really been a question mark especially days in the issues he's out there. Jason from what you've seen so far it is. Can expect The girly that you released was a dynamic player. Can they expect someone that is at least at at minimum better than what? devante Freeman was last year? What's your take so far on arguably the second most significant free agent signing for the Falcons here. Think when when you get style of runner. You're. GonNa get an upgrade from girly to to Freeman on girlies very, very smart football player and that goes back to his UGA. Days very, very smart good vision. Good instincts. you know with freemen. I don't know what it was about him last year Just you know he he went from a guy. Being. like a battering Ram who loves to take on contact. You just didn't see that out of him at times. Now you also didn't see the offensive line run by particularly well for. Most of the year. Especially at with Kris Lindahl out you the right side just did not have a push in. The holes, the the runs weren't there for Freeman and take all those things into consideration That's what went into his his bad urine partly why he's not on a roster I think that speaks volumes for itself. Is that Devante Freeman? Granny's. Likely asking for way too much money Yeah. That that that speaks for itself really donate to go too much more. But I think with girly. issue. The one thing that that that. Is Not in the Falcons cards is you can't use him the way he was early on his career the way he was used a Georgia. You know when you deal with an arthritic knee, it's all about management now, right? You can. He can still be very effective and what the rams did last year was they averaged at seventeen touches a game. And They were able to get fifteen full games out of them. Now being over here, focusing in covering the falcons for sixteen or Seventeen Week Sixteen Games. I wasn't paying that much attention to the rams offensive line I know that when I had to pay attention to them when they played thousands, of course that week but. They apparently had one of the worst offensive lines they went from being a pretty good line the year before to to not be in very good last year a lot of people put a lot of girls lack of success last year on the offensive line take account the last time he had a bad offensive line in the NFL was his. Second Year maybe second or third. I've been his third year where he had a he had a down year. Second Year because. It would have been. Jeff Fisher. Yeah when he called it a middle school offense. And so. Yeah the offensive line was dreadful that year and and. So you know in the NFL, what what girly could do in college on plays where being somebody from here somebody who went to Georgia who who watches George every Saturday. What girly did when he was in college, there were plays at broke down in the backfield a somehow got out of it or he could anticipate where a linebacker is GonNa be make sure he didn't. Ya The zone spot earlier There were just things that he did. That were our magnificent that other college players couldn't do. The. NFL's different. The NFL. Everybody's Great. Now it's unnoticed cliche but. If you're line sucks. Then you're it doesn't matter who you. You'RE GONNA get stopped, and I think a lot of that from what it sounds like that. That's what happened to girly last year so. On one hand if if the Falcons offensive line is improved and as an eighth put as much emphasis, they claim when it comes to doing better with Iran and they're able to open more holes than he's able to use his instincts and do what he does best. You're GONNA get hard runs you're GonNa, get smart runs you're going to get. Some big plays here and there you're just not going to get out and you're going to get played in the passing game to you just not GonNa get twenty five to thirty. CARRIES YOU'RE NOT GONNA get the volume that that girly. That made girly who he was early in his career and I think on one hand dad's that's where your one year six million dollar deal comes in the play. He's he's no longer. Just. Because of the management part, he's no longer that high volume back it can still be very capable. He can still make big plays. He can still be critical crucial part of his offense. But the volume is where? The volume is why the rams have to cut the volume is a is why the falcons in nobody else were willing to sign a long term deal worth up the money he got when he originally signed a long term deal with the rams. Yeah It sounds like the falcons are counting on guys cadre, listen in his second year to contribute a little bit more. Brian Hill who? Looked good last preseason maybe. Wasn't everything we hope to obtain in thousand nineteen looks like they're counting on him taking another step forward. So. At least on paper, it sounds like they're not counting on girly being a twenty five to thirty carry back. His point. They can't can't make. Do Your Point Jason if they do that, he will probably last twelve eleven games at best. Yeah. It'll be it'll be twenty eighteen rams all over again when when his knee down, they couldn't use them in the playoffs away they would have otherwise like to. Say They want that I think they. They clearly want him in here for the postseason run which I think they're banking on. So Gina another free agent. In this guy came in later in. This is interesting because right now I don't think the numbers have been completely confirmed. But some of online sites that. Internet experts used to analyze falcons caps situation. Dot Com Denard, who is a very, very good nickel corner arguably, I think you could say he's one of the the better nickel corners in the league in has been for several years. The Falcons have brought him in. and. This is a year where obviously we have a rookie who's GonNa undoubtedly start on the outside. And then you've got a Oliver Kendall Sheffield competing for the other spot. Looks. Like potentially under a million dollars vet minimum. Bringing in Denard, who is again going to be a good veteran presence someone who is gonNA potentially play that nickel spot, which is arguably a starting position in the NFL think you can. Say That really is a starting position NFL. How important it is it in your mind with all of these young guys you know Aj Terrell kindle. Sheffield. Oliver for them to get a veteran presence like Denard into that cornerback room in at the price at the Falcons. Got Him out. Yeah. I just think that it's phenomenal. I mean to be able to add somebody with first round caliber talent arguably to be able to add somebody like that. When you just lost a veteran presence than does mantra font I think that it's really smart especially when you consider how much time they spend how much time he would likely see field and so yeah, I thought it was a phenomenal signing. Yeah, he's a guy that you know. Honestly. Fans may not know his name but Jason I think. You get past girly in Fowler who are the two big. Big Signings in in my mind, Denard may be the best value signing for the Falcons of any of the free agents they've brought in house. He looked so far. What are your thoughts on the team bringing him and? It sort of in the last several weeks to to shore up that cornerback roster. Yeah. It goes back to San about the defense has stayed ahead of the offense, you just haven't seen any big plays really any big plays From. The offense and It's interesting because. You know Bringing in Dinard You know I think a lot of those thought Kendall. Sheffield was going to be the nickel guy and he was until they had a chance bring dark quiz Denard and Having a veteran in in the cornerback room even knew Nichols obviously a little different than than corner with the responsibilities but. Having a veteran in there is tremendous I mean you know bleary Wilson's been around? But he's never been a starter he he he doesn't command that kind of presence at that that leadership role So otherwise, you know the starting the previous top three. Yeah. You're outside and inside were a third year second year in a rookie and I think leadership aspect of Dinard in there is really where the values GonNa GonNa come in handy because it's no secret this team this team lacked leadership, some key spots, last year and. You know maybe a guy like fowler a guy like art. Those guys. Will have to be counted on to step up and kind of be those guys that they didn't have a specially when times get rough and and if they go on a two game losing streak or or anything like that where you have guys, you can write the ship in new can. You get things turned around quicker than what we saw last year with a winning seven art. But? Yeah. He's look good. So far I haven't seen You expect that out of veteran you expect that out of a guy who is He's he's been around played that position so many times. So many years. Real quick. Could you introduce your dog? Who just had a cameo I'm podcast. Here. The squeaking. Sitting here I'm sitting here like trump talking and waving at the same time to my wife being like. A toy away. The number of times that bachelor has done that as a pretty significant. So yes. There is a regular contributor on the podcast. Much like you're not when he does. Lucy's out here disagreeing with me and that's the problem. My opinions water. The Jason. We we we one hundred percent respect. Your opinions need if your. Thought. On that note actually I wanna, go back to. Training camp last. Year. One of the practices I was able to come to. United Gene we're talking in we're talking about the free agents. The free agents going into two, twenty, twenty and I had made the remark that I felt like Austin Hoover would probably be one of the top guys that they would aim to retain. And you. Push back and said now I don't think he's going to be I don't think they're gonNA make a push to keep them. Bringing this up and making me look. No you hug. I. Remember I remember the conversation well, because I was like really and and I think you gone back and said I think they'll put more emphasis on Campbell. But You you're absolutely dead on with Austin Hooper I mean honestly they didn't even make. It doesn't even look like they made any effort to retain the material. and. So that leads us to my next question and this will probably be the last guy we cover on this podcast and that's Hayden her Obviously, they made the trade to get him away from. The Baltimore Ravens he's a guy that. I think has a tremendous amount of upside. Has that if you will athleticism that Dan Quinn and Thomas Dmitrov Covet in all of their players. What have you seen from him so far in do you feel like in? The Calculus Figuring Out Austin? Hooper versus Hayden. I do feel like the Falcons have potentially made the right move or is this something that it still needs to play out in your mind? It Yeah I'm definitely the playout play it all out. Kinda guy. A she took another toy. She's determined to to podcasts podcast. Maybe, this is the agreeing with you toy. Maybe. Maybe. Yes. So so I think Hayden Hayden versus done most of his damage in when they've gone first team versus first team underneath account is awesome hooper routes. The one thing I've been waiting to see is the the big play the the seem route what you know his highlight reel granted he that he hasn't had. Many plays in the NFL given that he came and got hurt and Mark Andrews became the top tight end in Baltimore and he was relegated to a backup role and. but you haven't seen that in practice. Jets waiting but again, it goes back to the defensive been head of the offense. So you just haven't been those opportunities yet. That said He has side by opportunity I mean when you look at. Austin Hooper. Situation Lashing, Austin Hooper for for as good as he is, and for you know somebody who deserves every penny he got in Cleveland. He's a guy that will be. You'd be the first to tell you that a lot of his opportunities happen because he played on the same field as Julio Jones in. Calvin Ridley, right and for most of his time, Muhammad? Senate Here's Hayden hearse walking into a tremendous situation where again he's he's got the. The best receiver in the game right now, this is going to go down as one of the top five top receivers ever play the game. And another upcoming I in Calvin and Russell Gauge and the slot to. A really good quarterback. The single coverage and the chances to be open and get past a storm. His way are naturally going to be open know whether it is whether they are able to find him on a seem route to be able to stretch the field or if they keep running them underneath and and and and crossing patterns a you know much like they did with awesome hooper. I just think that. If if Hayden I I hate to say it like this and I but I honestly think Hayden US would agree If he doesn't. Produce you know seventy five to eighty percent of the statistics that. Awesome. Hooper had I think he'd eat it. It would be seen as a letdown. I true I truly believe that because. He's going to have. Every chance in the world to be successful in this offense and he's got the athleticism. Great. Great. Great catching ability great catch radius I believe who are somebody I was read one of the scouts Somebody I read or heard recently mentioned that he thought he was the best catching titan of that of his draft. Of Class when he came out So yeah, I think the guy has a ton of potential to do big things in in this offense he hasn't done it yet. So I think that's where some of the skepticism is. You know he he was a backup in Baltimore, even though he was the first rounder but. He's he's walking into a dope loaded passing oriented offense. So I mean he's Going to be there for him I, it's just GonNa be on him to make sure those plays formulate and he's got a capitalize on them. Yeah and with this interestingly disrupted season it that is a big question mark. You know if we had the normal off season, maybe there's more confidence in him being able to deliver in his first year with the new quarterback. But the fact that. We have this pandemic going on bits prevent has prevented of those interactions you know? I think it puts a big question mark a. Close US out. With. Hayden hearse because honestly if we look at Ryan's career. With the exception of the the two or three years where. The Toy Lola was the number one option. Okay. He's he's had you know he he went from hall of Famer. A couple years with six stick. The couldn't catch who a Austin Hooper, which it you can think what you want about him but he ultimately I think delivered at. I'm especially for the round he was drafted in. How important is it for hidden hearst to deliver this year knowing what we know about Ryan and how he likes to go to the tight ends as part of part of his arsenal. Yeah I mean. I. Think that it's definitely important it was such an important part of the passing game last year but I also think that it's just as important for you know the receivers to be effective in run clean roots and I think it's important to get some kind of ground game going so that they can balance things out. So yeah, I think it's important but I don't know that it's any more important than it is for for those other units to be affected too. Fair enough That is why we have the podcast because. We have to get the dogs on here to. Disagree To annoy the listener right right I. Guess trying to make a point with. Your I think Matt Ryan Wingo. and. With that, honestly, we could probably talk about the entire Falcons Roster and Go into extensive detail, but we will save that for another day. There are still several weeks before we get into the regular season. The good news is in a Menachem on wood as say this so far the NFL in mostly NFL teams have done well with avoiding. Mass infections in have they've got kept going and hopefully this plays out because I am. I am dying to have a full sixteen game in the fell season I. Think we all need it. We all want it. and. For for those of us who cover these teams on they basis, we absolutely one hundred percent need nfl season to happen so so far so good guys knock on wood continues. We. Get closer and closer to. The start of this interesting twenty twenty season. All right. So with that said Jason Please tell our listeners where they can find you what you've got going on anything that you WANNA pitch. Unless. It's like you know a a drew brees advocate thing which would. Let are much. Let listeners over the find you you've gotta go on. Just. Getting guys. Yeah Yeah. So twitter Jason H, but obviously with the covering government falcons now with with the esteemed the Orlando ledbetter Guy, I've known for quite a long time. So yeah well, we have the rest can't preseason. This wild weird season that's coming ahead also. A couple of buddies founded a tackler media You know newsletter since your inbox every day get tackler media to subscribe and you can. Get. A one stop shop for for Atlanta. Sports needs. So to speak and you can you get it. All right. There you know Falcons braves, hawks, Uga. I guess Georgia Tech. Yeah That's fair enough. You name it. You know we'll make sure John. Michaels West blankenship does a great guys so. Make sure. Make sure you check that out man they do really good stuff and. I do okay stuff but. For the free beer. Enough reason and Byron. When all this nonsense is over, I'm sure GMI will be more than happy to you several Free Beers Jason So. without a doubt. Gina Reminder listeners, but he could find you in what you have going. 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Falcoholic Live, Ep 112 - Final Falcons roster predictions

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Falcoholic Live, Ep 112 - Final Falcons roster predictions

"Hello. Alcoholic. PODCAST. Listeners. This is Kevin night host of the Falcon Hollick live and frequent writer on the Alchoholic. Dot Com bringing you. Now, an episode of our live video show the Alchoholic live, which is normally on Youtube and podcasts audio only format for the first time in a while. So if you ever interested in watching the Falcons Alec Live, but you were able to catch this show live on youtube you can now get it here as an audio only podcast so Buckle up for this episode, which is episode one twelve we'll be breaking down the falcons, final roster, our predictions, and all of that good stuff. Thank you very much for tuning in and enjoy the ship. Fellow Falcon. Alex what is up welcome to episode one twelve of the for Hollick live. I am your host Kevin Knight joined by a group of co-hosts slash guests really. Blinds blurred at this point So we got we got a whole host of. The domestic trying to send. So joining us right now we've got Eric Robinson he's on twitter at underscore Eric Underscore Robinson air towering tonight. Doing well doing well one step closer to the season. Yup we are almost there within striking distance at this point. So that is exciting also with US tonight odd non EEK itch on how are you this evening? I'm doing very well we're about eight days away enough first Thursday night with the chiefs and the Texans. saw. Recluse right analyzing. So close yet so far. Can. Brand get embarrassed who on. Yeah. Yeah Hey. I'm Clyde Edwards Healer Truth or penalty football saw I. especially can't wipe it off earth game. It's wild next week show will be week one preview. Yeah. Yeah. We're almost there I mean it seems like it's been so sudden right? Because there's no preseason there's been no like. It's just like all right. Well, I guess there's games now. So I mean, I'm happy about it. We're all happy about to here. We're going to do our final roster predictions. We're going to talk a little bit about the upcoming season all that good stuff. There's already been questioned about Mohammed soon, the chat. So we're obviously going to have to address that there's no escaping Muhammad to new. Kyle got signed today. We'll talk about that briefly but for the most part we it's GonNa be roster talk and we're gonNA. Give thoughts on how we feel about this team heading into the season here We're also GONNA be joined in a little bit by a former falcons. Guard Keenan Forni basically a CO host. At this point, he will be dropping in whenever he gets home. From his NFL player activities, whatever he's up to and then Evan, Birchford. Also later, the show become a non suit look for him. But until then we have a great trio here, we're going to jump right in. Let's talk about this Muhammad to new buzz. Obviously, the Patriots cutting before final roster cuts. And basically they would. They would probably doing the same thing that the Falcons have done at this point in the season. If they'd kept Senate which was saved six and a half million by moving on from him. It's just an extravagant price tag for what's the new kind of brings at this point in his career still a good wide receiver three but it seems like the Patriots were expecting him to be more like a really good wide receiver to. Just, never was able to deliver on that for them. But now he's not making that kind of money anymore. He could potentially wind up back in Atlanta for significantly less. He was willing to take that. So all let you get first crack at discipline. What do you think the chances are of new reunion here? Would you be interested in? Matt what do you think? I mean, if it's at the right price and the ballad don't really have money to be throwing around right now for. Another wide receiver. Yeah. I mean I'd be done, but it wouldn't be the Mohamed Cinema old in regard to enroll all last year is like the wide receiver three I think Russell, gauge, at this stage of his career earned. The right to be the wide receiver three. I think Russell Gauge would be ahead of scenario and the depth chart. Is come in a wide receiver four and he would probably replace look on treadmill. because the team really likes the keys in his role. So it's definitely one where if it's at the right price, I could see it if you gave me a percentage of like. I would say like twenty, five percent chance at it happens there's plenty of wide receiver needy teams out there. Who have more incentive to sign him the Atlanta Falcons do But I do want to say that trade with encapsulated heist. Thomas Immature off full got a second round pick from Mohamed Sununu last year. Gauge ready to step right into that role. You had Calvin Ridley ready to step into that wide receiver to a role and I mean you got a second round or you got your tight ends you're starting tight end out of it. So you know as as much a heat as we give Dimitrov deservedly. So for some of what he's done a special last year with Agile Mom Brown contract James Carpenter contract the Brandon spoke on track you can just let them all right now but. That without wasn't extravagant and it was a great move at the time and now it looks even better in hindsight. Yeah. Yeah I mean I. It's the Falcons Revenge for the Super Bowl I mean it's not great. But at least we got something back from the Patriots so. I would have rather had the superbowl but. We can't. It can't change anything Dimitrov realized. This is one chance to get get one over on Bellichik so. Good on Detroit's for for get getting. was good with Botox New Eric Yovany any thoughts on this potential Mohamed Reunion. I, I wouldn't. I wouldn't mind it. You know I'm not gonNA. Sit here and say that they should go and sign him. They should bring him back that he deserves to be on a team. But the if if a team wants to bring that sense of comfort back onto the roster into the locker room I would be against it. You know and and I think people are reading too much into the name and what his former role was I think in a situation like this where he's a year older and they already are a full flavor adds into having Ridley literally be you know? Decide kick to Julio I. Think People Are Reading into it too much in your believing. That's a a healthy. So new back in the locker room is GonNa, take looks and targets away from Ridley as not going to be the case I mean even if he's on roster, they still have to play in order for him to take the targets and I don't think he's going to get more playing time Calvin. Really we even Russell Gates at this point I just feel comfortable way with the wire receiver four role I think. What he can do with this particular point in his career and how familiar he is the scheme with the team with the locker room I think he will fit in that particular role. Really really well better than what the quantum will can bring to the table because from what I'm hearing and I'm sure you guys. Definitely, heard, the saying you know trails on the bubble, he's not a guarantee make. But week one. So why not feel that boy when a guy likes the new who can I don't care if anybody says can help in the run game. Okay. They want to run a ball this year especially outside is outside zone. So new can help in that phase along with you know just guiding alone Russell, Gates and cavalier to an extent I'll get. He's also great third down receiver absolutely and he can give them. He can give them a particular package with the with the West wildcat. Yes. Will give them that. So I mean, it's still it's to me I think it would be worth it and I don't. You know you and I were talking about this before show Kevin but I I think Atlanta would be the team that's new will come to and say you know what I'll give you guys a discount. As far as a possible salary. You know I think he may. You know may well come aboard and and take a cool million dollars from Atlanta and say sure I'll be why for Yeah I mean. Like Basically. What's the new brings is I don't think he's going to walk back into the wide receiver three role I. Think they do like Russell gauge in that slot role but what Russell Gates probably doesn't bring as like a real good red zone presence Kasai like when you get down to the red zone size becomes a much bigger deal. And that was what's new brought to this offense. As that third guy, he was a very good red zone weapon for Matt Ryan, a reliable target caught. You know his fair share of touchdowns here even alongside Julio. So I think that's basically where Muhammad soon have a bigger role, maybe short yardage and red zone type stuff and like you said like Liqun trivial has apparently been relatively disappointing like he may or may not make the team outside of Treadwell like they don't really have anyone with size like it's it's you know Matt Ridley a short, but he's not you know he's six one he's not six three plus so you know in terms of size. Julio and then you know maybe Christian Blake like of controversial doesn't make the restaurants. Probably Christian Blake is the size guy he's I think like six two. So you know, there's not a lot of sizes they're outside of Julio. So adding a guy like ZANU Kinda, take on that debt. In the offense I think makes a lot of sense. Especially, if the price is is low like like you were saying I mean, there's not really a downside to it if he's willing to sign for a very affordable deal already knows the offense not like he's GonNa have any problem adjusting back to things so Yeah I think it makes sense if the price is right. You Know I. do think it's also possible. He could wind up in San Francisco you know that was. As a place Shanahan had been rumored to have been on that trade as well but didn't offer as much as the Patriots. So. That'll be interesting to see where he ended up signing or if he signs you know early. But I like the new you know I was, I was a fan of his while he was here he does offer a lot as a run blocker. Clearly. Got Something the tank you know struggle with injuries after he got traded but yeah I mean I think it was mostly a financial thing for the Patriots with him I don't know that. It was he's like he's no longer good or something. I guess fans I guess fans assumed that the trade was because he was quote Unquote Asta whatever to meet as kind of hard to believe I think the trade. And you guys will probably agree me here. Bayton rate had a lot more to do with the fact that the Patriots are offering the second round pick like who wouldn't trade that. Any I would done that heartbeat. It about the Falcons are also wanted seven at the time. So it wasn't I don't think it was a situation where okay. We don't have any. You know some new doesn't have anymore. He's washed up, get rid up. No you gotta look at the circumstances. You got a second round pick an aunt one win on the season. All thirty two teams. Yeah Yeah I mean second round pick. Yeah. Absolutely. I. Mean the sure traded more guys, right like this should trade freeman. Street. Trade Hooper like. It's a trade, a Lotta guys. They. Wouldn't have done money on the books they traded who produced a line and chance yeah yeah. They wouldn't, and they also wouldn't have had that dead money on the books that they were traded to fund as well well, and preaching to the choir here yet. They waited to the season to cut him in the dead money but. It was just it's you know that's that's neither here nor there this. Yeah I wouldn't mind man it best what they wanNA, do they wanNA bring some new back for that veteran wirelessly before ro I'm Yeah All right. Next up. Looks briefly discuss Kyle Letta just got added Eric I'll give you the first shot at this one. Do you think he's someone that's GonNa Threaten for roster spot? Is this a sign of anything with Shaw Bent Kurt or is this kind of a practice squad stash? Yeah Trent one arm Danny etling replacement. Daylight emplacement us. That's it not not stealing Kurt banker. You know away from US they're they're not. You know hating curbing Kurt now. Nope, I think Kirk banker is curb anchored has a future in Atlanta I know if he's going to be a starter. But I you can. You can make a case that he's qb to Nixon. Get. I mean I did so thinking. He May qb to this here third preseason. He might happen. Yeah. Good point there. Absolute. Yeah. I remember the best part of that terrible hall of fame game Mean Kevin were. Doing play by play for last year was I. cur. Banquet coming in. And slinging it. I mean I miss that. Yeah. That was fun. I still can't believe we've sat through the game. He looked confident man he was. He was e. you can tell that something he was developing as Cuba yet I feel bad. You guys have to sit the bat as woman. That's one of those where you're just so starved for football. Where you're just like. You just pretend like it's not terrible. Take it from me. I was in, I was in the Middle East at that time. I had to pick up at like three am caustic elise you guys didn't have to go through that, right? That's true. That's very fair. To us that atrocities so To Watch my job fleeing the ball to Christian Blake. Christian yet that that was a rough rough preseason minister, it was not not a lot of you know how? Well we broke the curse. Did Yeah. Yeah. We did. We got out of that. So that was exciting. You know the curse of the like I think we lost like ten th street preseason games right. It's so funny watching like Balkans twitter meltdown over like leaving the hall of fame game. Rabble rabble. Rabble. Fire. Dan Quinn. Like. You should have gotten fired for going one in seven in the regular season not forgoing. Care the. Eleven. Let it go man to put it back in the deck yet. I mean. I'm with you. I I saw. Post game show dislike. With rabies in my mouth just after that Titan loss saying it. Dan Quinn should be going. You know. I knew the. Secondhand. Be Near. Income be. Saved Yeah. Yeah. Dobbin again. All right. Well, that's a good. That's a good segue into our A. INTO OUR What's up Kim I think it is is. He's. keenum darkness is is, is it a car Oh? Yeah. He's in the car. Man That's dedication. Doing how you doing man? He can't hear us. This, is the kind. This is this is the advantage of doing a live show as opposed to. Rewarding because you don't. You don't get the wrong filtered. Hey, there. Can you hear us but you? Phone. Some shades throws holiday Hollick body count by the way to. Send Him. I'm going to send a message saying that we can hear him. Yes. So yeah, this is what I'm saying. It's like the advantage of of of live show as opposed to record guys you know you you'll get the story I'll be the beat the beat. But at any rate yeah I mean this is a good a good opportunity to segue into our roster discussion and talking about quarterback. That's the first spot on the roster that really might have some sort of contention you know. Obviously Matt Ryan to make the. Rolling out of here. Yeah. That's you know but. The. Talk About Match Averse Kerr banker, are they gonNA keep to? Are they going to keep three? What are we thinking there so Let's see who is less eric when I last. I've. Done. What do you think about the the quarterbacks they're going to keep on the roster? You think they're gonNA keep to three WHO's ended up on the practice squad what? What are your thoughts there? Oh I think they'll always under keeping three. They're paying too much money. For him to be on the QB to. Three signed him hype incurred bankers to go beyond the practice squad. So I? Think if they stash per Benford on the practice squad, someone else may scoop up. That's why I think that they'll. They'll go into it with least three this year. and. All Lola will probably be a practice squad stash and the Danny replacement. Yeah I agree with you. There I think I have been keeping three as well. because mostly because a Kobe because you know I think that they're just going to be more cautious about. Needing extra bodies at quarterback and like you said, while that is probably a practice guy to Eric. You have any thoughts on that quarterback group. Now notice. I. I still don't understand why they brought back shop, but it is. He had that word sixty, yard performance Eric. Hey I'm still not over them a cutting Patrick Dimarco for my bike biking twenty seventeen. That point there. But yeah, I, mean they're they're pretty solid in that in that aspect and I think I think binkert as a future in Atlanta. You're starting to see a little bit here near from him. and he's he's the Nice prospect that keep. Yeah yet I think like as long as banker continues to just you know do well in practice in meeting rooms and stuff he's GonNa stick around maybe twenty twenty one is will finally see him like actually takeover horseback to because without preseason. It's just it's hard to like be that comfortable with with hidden given the reins over to someone like him. Despite how good he may be impractical just very little actual NFL game experience under his belt. While, he's probably the future I. Understand you know the trepidation of the team especially near like this kind of just roll with him as the guy behind. Matt Ryan at this point. So. Shaab thirty nine years old probably still got one more season in them we don't have to play. But you know it's good. Good Insurance. Good backup. You say so yeah. I mean that that ONC- hawks game was like that probably bought him like at least two years in the league that one game last. Plan? against lines in week seventeen. Twenty four million dollars one. Come on. Don't don't forget. All. All you need is one good game. How can you hear us now? You. See what's going on. Hey, Yo man. You doing what's up y'all yeah we're we're doing again much member doing pretty good man. Glad nothing like some backup quarterback talks you know getting. Long. Good to think good to see. Now, we miss the a couple of weeks ago Erin. Home. Ready for the season to start mis- miss football grasping. Along Fix. or No I saw I saw you kind of getting out to the people on twitter a little bit man. tells. ME. Yeah Yeah, sometimes, sometimes only when they attacked me. I'm sorry I'm so I'm sorry disrupted the. going. Good. You're in your insight on the quarterback depth chart right now. I. Mean we're just doing A. Quick, roster breakdown because you know this is this is the week that answer here. So final cuts are made by Saturday at four Kevin Yup Saturday at four. Though you know gaining if you've got some input on the quarterback depth chart which. like the failed who was the kid that we assign here the other day what was it yesterday I believe? What does that give us? Yeah. That's yeah. That'd be the Fourth Guy Yeah. I was GONNA. Ask My what is that about? Do they matt sick or what you know what I mean like we got four got they lose three right? We think we think Motlana's more of the practice squad arm. And you know. He's probably GonNa replace Danny Ephron who just as lsu legend the. Thaw? Yes. So he's he's probably not gonNA see accurate PC's active. Then we're in trouble hall PC's that. It will have been a long year. y'All know for those of quarterback is man you only need one good game get out there and somebody gives you about twenty million a year Ryan from Hell. There's only throwing. They lowered Alvin Kamara over. He's only thrown eight passes get sixteen, million a year. Over the course of this. Incredible. Privately. Gandhi separate wide. This you love to NFL players getting there. Okay and tastes them Hillman. Go Get your money brother which expensive saints yeah especially there. Yeah. But you know. This is a pro player podcasts. Okay. Like we're always for players going again their money especially. When you play on the Saints Yeah. Hold up all album no you're worth. Well speaking of running backs. Let's move onto the running back. Death Shar. Saying great sick. Yeah we're guoling. Oh Yeah. This is professional level content right here. All right. So this might be like the easiest to predict group on the roster I feel like it hasn't changed once over the course of the off season and the draft You know. So the the guys that I have if you guys have checked it out of my roster projection went up on the Falcons today I'll just list off the guys that I have. It's probably the same guys. The you have probably the same guys that everybody on the show has but just reference Todd, Gurley starter Brian, hills. Probably. The primary backup for girly Smith's probably the passing down guy and then Quadri Olsen. Seems like they really liked him. I don't know if he's going to be active on game days unless there's some sort of injury but I don't think he's going to be cut and fullback Keith Smith he's a core special teams guy they gave him an extension so he's not going anywhere either so. Eric what do you? What do you think about this death charity? Think there'll be any surprises or is that basically set in stone at this point? No I think that's set in stone. You know of course girly is the is the lead or seer in the stable but you know I don't think a lot of people are quite familiar with Brian Hill in what he can bring to the table running back and I think he's he's a really good compliment to. We'll see what we can get out of Edo this year he looks a lot more healthier in training camp you know queries, he's getting some looks in training camp as well. They're pretty they're pretty solid at run it back and to be. To, you know to to point out the fact that they. I mean, how many how many trials they give to running backs? Man How many guys really kill you. I mean not as they usually do they eat right and they but they didn't sign anymore. Yeah. That goes to show you how comfortable they really were in the long run with this group and I think this group is going to be pretty it is going to be fine as long as you know, we can get stability from the office of line I, think the run game was going to be, but but word is Leonard Pornog- doctor and all of this unfold. And Should. Wish my out. That were why would you put for? Well. We're GONNA we're going to address the four net speculation very clearly here. But old address it kills go buy it. That's what I mean by address, but you get up to the past. Missile. Kevin's going to leave the room proposed ability up there in some pain is going to quote him. So we're. Not. GonNa let Kevin for nets comment. You heard it here for. Know, not even not even coming. They'll just say an anonymous source as saying that the Falcons right on for. People that many people are saying. I know I wasn't the only one that started the other day was live. Yeah I. Mean It's like it's interesting from like a roster building standpoint especially like if they were like lacking depth at running back but it's like it seems like they they already are going to keep four guys plus a fullback. So it's like, do they wanna cut somewhere like quadrille listen do they want to spend more money here? To me I don't I don't really see I mean I feel like if they had tons of cap space like maybe but oh, he's very. Linear for price right now, there's nobody could be clear waivers. Well, yeah. I mean. If he wants to come here for a million dollars like I mean I'll have that conversation but. About it the thing about it is if you cook Quadri than you lose a special teams contributor. So then are you GonNa Have Edo Smith and special teams 'cause lenders now playing special. Teams Ryan Hill I mean this is he gonna be your special teams guy out there you need given be. If you're GONNA cut Quadri you need a special teams as well as cornell playing. I, think Brian Needs, Carey's I think he's he's a really good running back. He just needs carries. Yeah. Well, he needs like a functional scheme and offensive line which I think the offensive line's going to be there this year I was the jury still out on the scheme but. Yeah I. I think four wants to be a starter too. So like I just don't like, I don't know what he's planning to do there. But like in terms of the depth. Basically, it's going to be these four guys and the full bag. Those guys in that order Bama Clark confirmed it to recently the Brian Hill as the next man up a todd Gurley goes down or something happens We thought that that would be a battle between UNIDO. Smith was he won that battle? Nido their Quadrille and I don't think. There's an outside chance that he that they try to stash him on practice squad, but I'm pretty sure another team with scoop up. So I think they'll keep him on the roster in the role with four like they did last year support for this podcast comes from cdw in Dell, technologies. At CDW WG, we get in migrating your agency to a hyper converged infrastructure is challenging. mcadoo it. Slowdown friend CDW JEEZ experts can help simplify your transition from legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with Dell. Technology solutions that offer speed and agility. Why isn't it done yet it orchestration by cdw. People who get it find out more at CDW. Dot. com. Slash DELTEC. Yeah, they do have a little bit more flexibility because they're returner is probably going to be a wide receiver like we'll discuss here in a minute but Keenan. Record point that five five. Keenan. Did you have any I? You're talking about a little bit of Germany other takes on the running back depth going into the season here. I would love to see how Brian Hill been planning I. Mean that's the bad thing about not having preseason are being able to go to training Camp I. Love The because let's be honest. You know tiger has been banged the past couple of years. Berry will very could go down you know so. Won't be. Who's going to be as won't be, is it going to be him or is it going to be all of them or is it going to be you know? How dare you as a former NFL player point out tiger girlies, knees they. Needs are. The Falcons just took. THEM TO HIS KNEES HEALTHY See that video life until I must speak life into the knees. Life any weren't. Apprentice ain't going away like that. Take my cartilage tiger early, take my cartilage. They're gonNA they're going to need someone and they can truly depend on because let's be honest man you know girlies goes not going to give him three hundred cares this year he may not even diem to fifty to be quite honest with you. GonNa need they're gonNA need pretty much alone a and one B and Brian? Hill can be that solid. Yeah Yeah I mean we'll see like I, mean they didn't carry the ball like they didn't have a ton of carries last year period, I? mean. Did they even have two hundred carries as team altogether last year? I don't think so I mean there there. It was really hot but. I think girly. Had A career alone carries last year or or it was it was his lowest since his rookie year or something like that. He's got a book two, hundred care any fairness I think the Falcons also led the League House Account Air. Because they were like playing from behind every game because the defense was so terrible in the first the. Yeah. So that's probably GonNa Change in an ideal world at least. So It'll be it'll be interesting to see how that pans out but yeah I think probably one of the easier positions to predict him but don't expect a lot of changes there all right wide receiver. From one of the easy wants to maybe one of the hard ones because there's. A lot of buzz. Players Falcons always bring equality undrafted receivers to so my six are Julio Jones big there I'm sure Calvin Ridley big surprise, Russell gauge even bigger surprise right now those three are pretty much written in. Penn since day one. So that's that's in there actually have a lot as the KIA says the wide receiver four I think. He's been impressive act like him lot Liquan Treadwell reportedly hasn't been impressive, but he's kind of the only guy outside a Christian. Blake that has. The size are looking for. So I I do have liqun making it is the way receiver five but that that could be one that's close and then descend reports have said that Chris and the undirected guy at Tennessee state has been by far the most impressive returner. So he gets to make the restaurants the six receiver to be the returner and I think he'll be an exciting to watch as an electric. returner like whereas Kenyan. Barnard was like a very, just quality returner that's going to get you a high yards per punt return average. He did break that one for touchdown to think. So that's that's great but he wasn't an explosive player role more explosive. So we'll see he might be a little bit more of a high risk reward type of return. So we'll see how that goes but Can. Ever remember who went. I did you go I last time? I think I went first last. Okay. So odd none. Give me your your predictions for wide receiver at this point. All I'm. Pretty boring pretty much exact same. Julio Calvin Russell Russell Gauge, I keep raving about him. I keep writing raving about his work ethic to just. Go from being just a specialist taken the sixth governor, and if he wanted to could have had a career as special a special teams specialists we've seen before he's put in the work he's ascended to wide receiver three. Quicker than I thought he would I thought that his ceiling would be a wide receiver three in the NFL guy but you can see it i. think this is your only year three going into it. He's already wide receiver three so The ceilings even higher than I thought it was so I want to say I'm very proud of Russell gauge I can't wait to see his maturation in development moving forward because the keys up he proved himself when at Carolina game last year they really liked him. He was though undrafted free agent at one the. Heated competition last year that was maybe the best part of the preseason last year, a wide receiver competition. Liqun Treadwell's probably the wide receiver five unless they. possibly. Look into bringing into new, which I still don't think is going to happen but just because treadwell has that big NFL experience, he's been the league for years and that's even more important. Now without a pre season Christian Blake has some experience with team last year but I think I think treadwell has has more talent than he does in Chris Roland. He was one of the favorites to win the returner job as soon as we saw him as an undrafted free agent and he's lived up to that bargain. So you know he's carving out himself on a niche in the NFL when he has a chance to really make an impact on the team. Keenan you gotta takes on on this wide receiver group going into the season. I think the same guy that you all said, lots of course but I wouldn't be surprised if they brought back suit you know what I'm just for that chemistry that he already has with those guys. Unless he just unless his legs done got old and that's why the Patriots let him go. I wouldn't be surprised at them bringing him back. Heard lachlon you know they brought him in heard same thing you guys he has been overly impressive unless they just decided to keep. Him s some speed for special teams Assam but. You know honestly me. I might see some new back in Falcons uniform. It's good to have a former NFL player by literally echo your sentiments. Yeah More credence to really I really appreciate it. Yeah I mean. Yeah like I don't. Like I it's true like, yeah, I mean Keenan. We talked about it a little bit before you came on like you know would it be interesting to see comeback? Think we basically agree with your take like he has the experience here the team clearly likes him Dan. Quinn really likes him. It was a financial well. First of all, it was a draft compensation reason they let it go before getting that second round pick I mean anyone would make that trade. And then this offseason, it would have been a financial reason that they would have. Let him go because of his contract but with financial stuff out the door now that he might be able to be be signed for significantly less it basically makes it like, oh, we'll. Maybe this can happen after all like maybe can be on the Falcons and twenty twenty. So I, agree with you there I think that is like an interesting. Possibility as we get into the weekend here, we'll see what they decide to do. But yeah, if that, if they do sign an outside guy to fill that roster spot, it's almost certainly going to be. So that. Meant. For Nest, amount of. War. That'd be that would be the ultimate own. Yeah. Annoy date man and and like Kevin our talking with voters show you know they're just it doesn't. It doesn't. Is, it's a trade that all thirty two teams remain in my opinion. You know to get a second rounder in return for sakes knew nothing against the new you know like I really loved the professionalism he brings it a game. You know was he a star in Atlanta? Absolutely not but he was he was a nice compliment especially on third down you kill you cannot. You know you can't really draft something like that you either have it or you don't it comes to making plays on third down and being. Reliable in you know at the at the money the money time You know he was that so. I don't I don't I don't I don't think. Treadwell. Has Really shown much to warn Russia spot. That's not saying they will not saying they won't come I duNno is up in the air, but I will say this. I don't think it's solid right now to be honest with you. And I do think they're going to go to the extent the key role in in success across the again I think so yeah. Yeah. I didn't role in the are safe. Yeah I think they're they're pretty safe. I. Think only one right now who's maybe on the outside looking in his treadwell again, who else can fill that spot you know Christian Blaker, an outside guy basically no offense to Christian, Blake but. No Man. I. Don't think he's there. Why receivable? Four? In. Dirt Cutter Scheme. Is, they're GONNA get targets? Right. It's a usable position now he's now I mean tight end three was getting red zone targets loss. Can. Chris coons not what it's. GonNa come in and still targets. Yeah is that. This is our chance segue. This is not perfect sang. Your great yeah. Speaking up. Well, we are all point right now you can tell the players have a preseason we did we're ready. We spent our time preparing our segues. But Yeah I mean speaking tight end like that's another one that's interesting because a lot of guys that are potentially in contention for a very small number of spots like this is a team that traditionally keeps three. They briefly kept four under undercount Shanahan, but it seems like they're going back to keep it three so. The first two are probably pretty much set in stone in terms of hey. I. Knew Austin Hooper. Jane Graham probably the number two guy. Behind him, it's a competition between Luke, stocker who they recently brought back Cari xfl standout. Who's always known as like a really good blocker and then the undrafted free agent Jerry Pinkney who probably People are expecting to get drafted on day three. has some upside as a receiver. So I guess to me, it's you know what did the Luke Stocker sending me? It means that. Me and carly weren't impressing didn't mean that they're keeping four. I'm not entirely sure to I. Guess My prediction would be that it meant that they weren't as dewes about those guys as we hoped. So they wanted soccer back. But you know I'm into get guys interpretations obey Eric, what do you think about that site anger? You I think a lot is banking on hate nurse. This year what he can do and I'm pretty sure he's anxious to get on the field and and crew why he was a first round pick. For the Ravens and I, I see what they trent, what they're trying to do with Hayden purse now please don't take this and run with it and say I'm Beth read our. Sources. But as soon as he was signed, I automatically thought to myself there's Brian to find. A George kiddle prototype. Because you look at how George biddle was effective. Samson. You look at how Travis Kelsey was last year. Hayden hers on the surface. X A few of those boxes that those guys have now, we don't know for sure if he's going to beat that next star to make an as a tight end but. He's athletic each fast he can lineup outside he can match up against you know linebackers he can make gives corners he could match up against safeties I, see what they're trying to do. I know hooper was a reliable target last year but. Hooper does it bring the athleticism to the table that hating her SAS? And I see what they're trying to do. Now Guy It'd be doesn't become George Kettle is not going to be still, but I see what type of dynamic at trying to bring to the table and I think he a lot in at that position woman depend warn what he does this year. Yeah. Yeah. I. Agree that is that's that tape nurses is going to be a big catalyst in how well the team plays speaking of Hayden hearst. You have any thoughts on that spot Keenan? Little store whilst. Post problem is a read a article a little while ago and dirt cutter with making the comment. To the effect of world, we're trying to figure out how we want to use it and how how we gonNA using that I'm thinking of muscle with them. Then y'all watch tapering off season trae the second round pick for him, right? Right. Has a problem of doing this. Is. Back to what I was talking about with the other time believe Rostock ran because they haven't been impressed with those other guys. Let's be honest. You know stocks familiar I would love to see the boy painting he from Norcross County kid emergency him make it but. See this is what sucks about not having preseason UK watch anybody on offer here saying we can't watch it is and make our own judgments you but. You know from outside looking in. That's why they probably brought soccer and the mother guys haven't been impressing pigmeat Pete, needs phone of victims of wet. Laughs from him. That's what it is. He had a great year but his senior year I guess there any almond victim because of that so? Good at it. I. Mean I'm Gong regarded sentiments. It's Luke stocker probably was brought in because all their two guys really wasn't pod impressing Jaden Graham. I'm really excited poor of as tied into. Maybe my favorite article that I wrote last year was the sub profile on Jayjay Graham making it. from a practice squad guy and I think it was the practice squad. Last year. He was one of the most impressive guys in and not prime could squad. preseason standouts I think he was a practice squad lost here. But one of the most impressive things about the preseason last year was Jin Graham dislike tearing it up and it's always nice to see a guy like that. Just earn his way earnings role on the team Eric salver traded or fifth or sixth round pick which was. Leasing of the Patriots. In what? He's gone. New I think he got caught a little while he's gone all over the Patriots Cut Monkey. Sure. They got him lots. But Oh. It's like an demetrius adding his way with the Patriots until. Their way without going to stop coming to Atlanta man. All right. We're done. WHAT DOES JACKSONVILLE? The Hayden hearst, he appealed breakout candidate for the team use a former first round pick with the ravens could really make make as well in the field behind the talented mark. Andrews Down in Baltimore. That's a run heavy offense down there or up there excuse me. So you know there's a lot of targets that have been vacated with Austin Hooper's departure and with Muhammad's knew who had the first half of the season in all of those targets. Hayden. Hurst has the opportunity to come in fill the void. So now it's up to him to take that chance. Yeah, and we are just getting some breaking news I went into cut in that for net is signing with the bucks. Because they've they've been hyping up Roggio but. Just drafted Ronald Jones. I'm so sorry. Yeah I just I dropped a Rodeo too. Yeah. I think we're just GONNA get work but yeah, I mean it's just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah I. DON'T I don't get there 'cause Keyshawn von their mid round draft pick this year I mean there's a lot of similarities between all three goes right? I. Think Their understanding that maybe gone just isn't very good. So Like sorry keyshawn on I don't Wanna I'm not trying to step on keyshawn volunteer but. You. Know I. Think I think I would have gone a different direction maybe with pick that that's my take you know. But yeah I mean. Lender four Kisha on that kind of that same style runner like you're saying. So yeah, it's it's weird. It's weird but yes. That that was I just want to interject with that but Yeah I. Mean I I liked Cari leave the xfl tight end but I mean it seems like. He must not be all that impressive if they felt like they had to bring stocker back as a blocker. To that makes me sad because I was excited about him, but it's possible. You know. Lee or Pinkney or both could end up on practice squad for your to 'cause there's GonNa be sixteen slots this year. So there's plenty of slots to go around. Because if they're happy with who they got the needle store, they don't add nobody right? Yeah like if Lee or pinkies making the roster, they don't need to go out and sign stocker to add like it. It's one of those guys is GonNa, make the roster it's just wasting time. So yeah I. I'd be surprised if it's different, but we'll see this point. All right. Offensive Line Keenan specialty here. So it sounds like The Matt Hennessy the rookie is actually won the left guard battle, which is surprising. You know good for the Rook getting in there Otherwise. It's going to be basically what we've. All had in Penn which Jake Matthews at left tackle. Alex Center Chris Lists from a Right Guard Caleb Gary at right tackle metal be you're starting five with Hennessy at left guard? So that's an. One. It also sounds like Justin. mccray has taken Matt Gono as the primary Interior Guy he's GonNa be the number two center from what we've heard. Might actually be a better guard also them James. Carpenter that. We have been able to see in preseason, but that's the buzz I'm kind of getting from all this Matt Goto probably the swing tackle and then I do think James Carpenter still going to make the roster but. Yeah it's interesting. So keenan do you have any thoughts on that offensive line group in the Matt Hennessy winning? Gar. I, like the fact that he won that job because we kinda talked about this couple of weeks ago it seemed like that's going 'cause they had him and The other spot they had him and don't know kind of going back and forth Now, the question. He's hurt who are they gonNA put in their at their spot now gonNA put. GonNa go hand plan let carpenter. Glenn. Plan. Banks. Yes. Thank there I. Think they were expecting that they'll these guys will be ready for Week Y. Yeah. Let's hope so. Right yeah. So Let's hope so. Eight, they said it's a bone bruise in his knee and. You know it's going to be as first game. You know you don't go into the first game of the year with an injury like that, right? Okay. How long can you play? We'll see hopefully hopefully, it won't be too bad but. Yeah it'll be interesting to see. But yeah, I mean I think they'll have carpenter I. Think they'll have gone I think they'll have mccray. So one of those three guys will be the left guard if he's not ready to go but. Yeah, we'll see we'll see there. I'm interested to see the progression of Margai Lindstrom and Kayla mcgarry. Own home down there right side I'm. that's why he said there was no preseason because I really wanted to see how their chemistry came along and how they're playing together and communicate. You know you know they're supposed to supposed to be a significant jump from your first year to your next year and. I can't wait to see you know how much of a jump they've made. You know because you know they've had a year you know A. Plan in the system and the communication meaning all all they've had a year of that under their belt and that right there allows you to play faster and play with more confidence. So I can't wait CTO to I. Think. Jake Matthews Pre Jake Matthews can you know get into the pro bowl again you know and this time as a starter not alternate. You know 'cause Jake is real solid Alex Mack. Hopefully, he has a few more years for us We got a nice little lawn we got Nice old line. I'm interested to see how they play in how they messed together. Yeah. I mean I think health is the big thing because I think if these guys all stay healthy this year and play as a unit like I think the says the potential to be a very good offensive line. Particularly if those guys on the right side, get that second year boost here there were hoping for. Especially, if they hit it on Hennessy, what I mean especially becomes any place. He's GonNa have his struggles does he's a young guy but good thing for him if these guys Alex on the right and on the left to Kinda open mouth. And I. Believe also today can slide and give them a little bit more hill. As far as like he's instead of putting them out there one on one situations. You know let Chris and Kayla go one on one a little bit. Hey, you first round picks you know yeah out there and make it make it happen her money, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I'm definitely excited to watch that development on ninety. Got Any thoughts on how the offensive line is gonNA shake out. Oh, I don't think there's going to be too many surprises I do think. Matt. Hennessy, has taken. PROB hopefully, taking the reins with that left guard battle could be one of the reasons why Jim Brown was because cutting him saves literally nothing like zero dollars like saved. So it could be John. Brown missed a missed a few weeks of training camp. He had illness that's not related to covert and then had that concussion. So I think he fell behind enough to where the team was comfortable parting ways with them and just like getting that roster spot out of the way and I think that was a vote of confidence about Anisi. Other. Now, you're McGowan who you're hoping can break out the season in take that nets next huge here the off into line if they could. Alex Mack is a steady metronome at the center position. then you object Matthews who? Like a said hopefully, we'll make another pro bowl. He's I think key. Option into firmly into firm position of top ten tackle this season I think he's maybe borderline. But you know he's he's in the middle of his prime I. think he can make another stuff in his career. Yeah. I, agree I agree thing to add to this offensive line group here. You know I think I think they're sipping the kool-aid a little bit about them starting rookie right guard last year. I think they're they're they're drinking at Kuwait again with the left side at the. You know there nothing against Hennessy I just he's a better center than guard probably alternate. He's a better center than guard and I don't think honestly don't believe. Matt Gano. got a fair shake. Yeah. This, we got to trust the judgment of the team and the coaching staff and the scouts and and you know see how it plays out going for I hope Hennessy a successful there but I just I, just feel you know from what I've seen on tape i. just feel he's better at center long-term been right now as because it Kinda sorta feels like he's the. Guard, because we all know when MAC retires. He's GonNa slide there. So my question is. What's the contingency plan when that happens? Let's say hypothetically, MAC is Lawrence when. An indices the starter. Was the plan near luck over right? Yeah. Just, a McRae, right. Not Maybe. Pick with the new right, but I mean are they? Could find your first landlord. It falls to the second on our the are they going into office of line early again for the third year in a row like I mean, how what are, what are they planning on doing with that? Doesn't I don't get the by Hennessy is GONNA be. The long term story I, Love Gore. I. Just think he's playing the best Atletico right now right giving them. Yeah. It means the future center so it will be interesting to see like because free agency money might be pretty limited next year -actly, it might have to be another early draft pick. Yeah. So they're gonNA start another rookie again next year petulantly just starting rookies but. We made it work what's up Evan welcome in to the L.. Did I miss it Still here we're still your brother Yeah you we we're GONNA go way way over time as we as we always do so. Well with Evan joining us Let's move over to the defense for talk about the edge group. Will it have been? Kicked US off here but the five edges I have making the roster right now Dante Fowler junior big surprise tech McKinley. Big Surprise. Allen Bailey third guy. Stephen means is my fourth edge. You can play a little against the red impasse and then I do have. Charles Harris making it. Though. It seems like his spies not safe. So it'll be interesting to see what happens there any thoughts on on that edge group or any guys you might think. Switch out. No I mean that sounds pretty good. Ms. Mariner technically defensive tackle. Yeah technically. Okay. You're listening you're listening. Kaminsky as the. Interior to yeah. Yeah. That's that's the EH. I mean the only one who really. would. Have a chance outside of that is I guess undrafted Austin. Edwards. Who seems like they like? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean that's you know that's really the only. Question I'd have there, but it sounds pretty accurate. Get. Anyone. Else have takes on that age group. I think other guys could factor in there. I is this A. Man With their group. On. Is really there's really no. Okay. They got a solid group. We know what they can bring to the table distance. with this is more like Manna. Hope these guys. Their potential this year right or you can be, it can be another year. Yeah. I mean like value is going to be fine. umbrellas going to play against the run probably but outside of that, it's like. Well, look I'm hoping is GonNa play well, and then Mobin. To. Do. That that's a difficult one difficult spot to be in. Are. Like I said banging potential but I think I think. They're going to be I. don't know if Fowler's GonNa be. Lightening up this year like he did last year L. A. I. Think he benefited a little bit plan next that earned out but I think he's GonNa give him a solid year and I I think we on massively my see the best year from Tax Mike he's he's lost what he's lost thirty pounds maybe. Ripped up right now man looks like he ought to be standing on hand. Yeah, he's down to two forty. So I mean we might see we might see a really motivated attack this year and I I'm excited about. Yeah Yeah I be into that shirt. because. This is his chance. He's gotTa make his money here. They didn't. They did the opposite of bees. They didn't pick up his fifth year option. They said all right. You got to earn it and. Maybe we're seeing. May We're seeing that this? Actually you know not giving people money before they've earned it actually maybe maybe is a smart idea he took a slap in the face. All believe I'll believe it when I see with doc, he's tricked me too many times. So I hope he I hope he bawled out, but it's one of those who are on all believe it when I see it, like you get to the quarterback nodded step late, get to them on time and like put him on the ground. And what will see? I you know losing that weight. Kinda so they he was committed to putting in some kind of work is off season you know. You know bit more speed and get their little bit faster. Be a little bit more durable. So definitely durable. Same you wasn't playing basketball this off season. I mean his whole thing was he never develop a repertoire and I figured he would, but he didn't eat dependent on. A rush for the most part and at two forty eight five lanta check borough rush at this point he's going to have to you have to get crafty with the hands do 'cause you that was maybe that's what he was working on. You Know Hey, San the. Power me get a give me a couple of quick moves. No, and to forty you Naga be able to BOOT restaurant was. Right yeah. Yeah Right. Right there. Yeah. I mean I might have taken him out of his conference a little bit force them to do learn some different stuff which I think would be helpful to his overall skillset. Yeah I mean if edges questions I think defensive tackle is where the pass rush could be saved because. Obviously agree jared is amazing. Tyler Davidson very good run defender and then they just have a ton of guys that I think are are really potentially going to be strong passers like Marlon, Davidson Second, round pick high expectations obviously for him but John Kaminsky I. Think is the guy that we should be watching for his breakout season because. I mean his athletic ability is truly special. I. Mean I don't think people realize that this man ran a four under a four seven at two, hundred, eighty, six pounds like I. Think you're in like a four, six, eight or something and almost seven second flat three come, which is just absurd for someone who's two hundred, eighty, six pounds. And you know obviously had a little bit of a struggle adjusting to the NFL. Playing Division to Charleston but. You know in a second year. Now he's been one of the players that's been kind of universally praised at Camp I just think he's a guy that could really surprise that maybe the Interior is the strength the fact that pass rushing twenty twenty. That could save things. My heartache is that Dietrich did not is going to be cut so. I don't know how you guys feel that but what the hell is going on. Man I duNno It just saying. That's what I think. He doesn't. He don't. He don't get on the field. The whole La doesn't. Close come as such a bizarre. This is bizarre out. Outcome and I don't I don't get it. What does is he? Is He just not a shave is e. In a dog house is I've been in the Doghouse for like two or three years if he is what I If you look at the thing I can think of is that he might. Like I I've seen him on occasion he might be a little undersized. You know as far as high you know. So but that's you know I don't know about his strength. You know like when you're sort like that, you gotTa have incredible strength and. Bursts. So maybe he's just been lacking in that means radiant. Gradient the biggest guy either. But he was a good apple he plays with great strength. Rock. Right. Yeah. But I'm just saying like I mean it's okay on it. Then may be the case that may be the case where he just needed a year. Get his you know hit that NFL weight room and get his turn at the I don't know. But even even after that year coming into this training camp, you thought he would have been a lot more motivated it or even. Like that man I I don't get it. All our guys who who is a works Thomas Dimitrov third-round fix not or desmond southward definitely dental. General. Played. Well, his rookie year. Duke was a third runners will yep. Like Duke played at some level Desmond, southward was just a disaster. I don't I don't remember a single good player Desmond I'm. What play do Grindley me do really had that one play where he shutdown that screen I'm pretty sure. That might have been the only play that I remember but. His ass. Yeah. Wasn't he? He had that video where he was pulling the truck, right? Over tried to. Twitter twitter was like this. Dion wishes the next roller. All the drugs and all pro linebacker INFO. y'All got a steel. Pool in the trump. Thank about it. We at least we got something for Riley in a trade. I mean the guy did end up like. You know having season ending injury the same game, but I don't think we'd get anything for Sonata traded. No that's the thing. Sadat like at the time we all thought they needed defensive tackle. So I think we're all like Oh. Yes and I it makes no sense but his rookie year he actually did play and he graded out like well according to pro football. Great. A solid starter and then his second year they decided Sinatra's drafted to be a run stuffing nose tackle. And that's fine and that's kind of the really played. But then in two, thousand, nine hundred and they signed Tyler Davison to be the nose tackle so that Matt Leno's Finan was not gonNA play and if you look at, it's like this weird nose tackle he's way undersized and he's not athletic. He's really good at using his leverage so he's kind of like. An Athletic Grady Jarrett. And he's always has just gotten by with his really good strengthen and leverage ability. But like that's not always enough in the NFL and then like the Falcons draft athletes. So drafting Sonata who was a really poor athlete by his testing was also of puzzling to me but. I just don't. I don't really get the pick in hindsight because it does it seems like they wanted to traditional nose tackle, which they got the next year, and if he was supposed to be those tackle and they just went out and signed somebody else despite him playing. Well, it's like well, why did you draft him in the first place like I just don't get it it doesn't make sense to me but. Like I feel like silo law to is a better fit for what they want from their nose tackle so like You know why would they keep Sonata whose way undersized for traditional nose tackle over someone like Salo see law to WHO's not undersized in the slightest he's like Poli- I size. So it just it's confusing to me. At our no fits like a dog house thing or like a he just doesn't they just made a mistake and they drafted the rock player for what they're looking for thing. But I feel like he needs a fresh start. Get it elsewhere But yeah that that's my heart for that position. So Cunningham would leave how many I have four making. It would be Radi Grady Tyler Davidson. Marlon. Davidson and John Kaminsky is four. So that gives them nine defensive lineman total. Hey, I think that Jon Kaminsky could possibly play inside a little bit. Oh, he's going to. Yeah. You mentioned his speed but you know I've seen him close and he's a pretty thick individual. Yes. Patrick Carney you know like. When I. saw him last year as a rookie I was like man okay. This here he could play you know like three technique on passing downs. You know what I mean get inside on the garden metro pretty good because he's got really good length in. And I've been told he's about two hundred, ninety five pounds now, Eddie. Lawson he speed he's. Yeah about six five. He's the legitimacy. He can call passing lanes. It yeah give give. Give Radio Break Down through you know what I mean playing at three techni early downs yearly downs. Yes. Yeah. I mean I agree like I. I do think that commits he's going to play primarily defensive tackle this year. Just because they to have like an abundance of outside guys and not a lot of insight guy. So I think we're GONNA. See Kaminsky lauded the inside same with like Marlon Davidson. We may see some of them on the outside as like base base and strong side guys They have Alabama for that. So it's like I don't know how much of that will see but I think I think Kaminski's like athletic enough that he could be to ninety five pounds lineup on the outside and still get pressure off the edge like that's how athletic is so I'm just interested to see what they do there with that. Or they lineup in a bear what they call a bear phone would you got the three inside guys covered and you know you're trying to get a one on one with somebody where whether it's grady you know one of the guards or Or Kaminsky on one or the other guards or even hopefully, you know somebody on the center maybe it's A. Who is, what's The kid's name? Marlon Davidson. Tack out on the Edge Stick Dante. On. They got five on five. Double Team nobody right also, hey, y'all better get free and get the you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. I could definitely see them doing that and go in like a five one, five, one, five or something like that. Alignment with like dion is the linebacker that could be interesting for sure I gotta be honest. I don't feel overly comfortable with the Dell. I mean. Well That's that's why I think it's I. Listen To is going to be the they're probably GONNA keep Jacob. Mariner and Law To as practice squad guys one of those guys is probably going to be one of those extra call up roster guys on a weekly basis just because they you know they probably want more defensive line, but that's like and like the other thing is Alan Bailey could play on the interior to if needed. So it's like Kinda provides a little bit more depth there but yet. They're going to keep their probably only gonNA keep nine defensive linemen and it's like just kind of. How they how they split that up is going to be interesting but. Yeah, it's it's a lot of pass rushers, but in terms of individuals definitely. Yeah. In terms of Brian. Earlier. You know you were talking. Earlier, Eric about a foul coming from the rams and how he might do I think he'll still do pretty good because he plan that's the gradient. There's. Been Talk of grady being poor man's Aaron Donald. Prey. Yeah. I I just. I just hope that Fowler doesn't. Hit that that wall where he had a great year plan next to an exceptional player, and now he's getting more attention because of it I hope I just I just. I have confidence in him I think he can be able to get it done in the scheme. I think the scheme is tabled made for what he brings to the table but I'm just I'm just concerned because if it doesn't work out with Dante. Then what? Really. Hurt Edge. To help him out yeah. There's no, it is not even a situation like it is in San Fran where you know you had Bosa but also had off game. Then you know you had we had deferred or you had block neuro is if they had options rar like everybody is just now is like man if Dante is not guy? Boy He asked to be a long year man data. Help, him out. Yeah, he's. Got To help him out and plus knows wherever that's going to be. We're not. We're not talking about fifteen sack donate fifty sacks. Yeah. We just if you can get. Eight eight and a half nine and consistently. Get some pressures than yeah. The I'll take that to the bank every day down. All right. Time constraints we gotta move on I was a great discussion I. Just WanNa move on to make sure gets all the position groups but linebackers the next one this one's pretty simple Dion Jones for you Santiago woken going to be the top two guys Michael Walker. The rookie surprisingly has been like one of the most impressive players training camp. So he's going to have a role I assume I. Don't know it when he you the Sam for sure but I don't know if he's going to rotate in to some nickel stuff as well. We'll see their. The Fourth Guy All certainly will be beyond Buchanan as versatile. Nickel defender slash like kind of debate linebacker hybrid. That's kind of what he's played. His whole career he fits is a better fit in this scheme than he is in most other schemes because falcons don't really care about size and the linebacking core. and. Then the fifth spot really the only spot where there's a debate in its between. special teams, Guy Roy Reynolds who the team apparently loves his leadership ability and his veteran savvy that he's bringing. Or Edmund Robinson who probably has a little bit more upside as far as like actual defense. But again, does he provide the leadership that they're looking for from that final spot So I I, have rentals making it just because the. Report seem to be emphasizing that like Reynolds brought this energy to the group and they really liked that. So de Quincy strikes me as the guy that really cares about that stuff. So he probably. LINEBACKER. So it's like, okay like who cares but I like Evan Robinson so like I hope he makes to the practice at least. But yeah, that's where I'm at what do you guys think about that spot? All might think Ronald makes it because he's he's a standup. Special teams is always been a big time special teams contributor in remember who is making plays last preseason inspection teams. On Mike Walker? I'm excited for. Just been nothing but rave reviews in training camp and you know that we needed a fourth round pick. I tweeted it out a few weeks ago and it's still very premature. Could be another one of those guys who just not flute steel under the Dan Quinn Redeem in the mid mid rounds no joining hopefully the likes of Brady Jared demonte Casey. Boy Allure Kenya. A lot of guys were taken on date re of the draft for wind up becoming like time contributor onto the defense and you know that's how that's how great defense is made even though the Balkan defense hasn't been great just yet but it's not it would be a lot worse than a lot more catastrophic if not for guys like back. Yeah, yeah agree So yeah, I mean I I think that decker pretty simple like it's basically devalue special teams or do you value possible defensive upside and Reynolds probably the safer pick their but. Anybody else have takes on on that spot. I think we might see I think we might see some I've Buchanan. Yeah, I think there hasn't thing and I. I think he is going to force his way on field house. Michael Walker has been tremendous in training camp in like his future but I. Keep an eye out on the better I. Think Buchanan is going to see a lot more looks than. Me that makes sense to me I definitely think he fits the scheme a lot better than the other ones he's been on the last couple of years. So that could give him an opportunity to kind of revive is career bit. So coroner is another really interesting. Falcons have added a lot of bodies here this off-season, AJ, Terrell obviously being the big one he's he's been arguably the most impressive player training camp. So that's always what you want to hear about your first round pick So that's great news on that front he'll be the QB. One, at least as far as we know darkies denard the free agent signing going to man the slot and probably give us the best slot play. We've seen since like Brian Poole in his prime So that's exciting at the other correspond it looks like it's going to be a combination of Isaiah Oliver in Kendall. Sheffield depending on the matchup at least that's what we were hearing over the last week in camp they were kind of rotating, and then for me, I have to veteran guys making it as depth Array Wilson is the obvious one because he just always been Sullivan called upon play both spots. And then Josh Hopkins Super Athletic Nfl Experience Despite only playing a handful of seasons Josh Hawkins Actually has played in five playoff games so that that's valuable experience He's also Super Athletic I. Think you're a four three So I think I think they like him and then. It goes without saying that George Miller is not going to be in roster conversation for the for the first three weeks because you'll be suspended. But there's a chance that one of these guys gets displaced for George Miller and week four if they want to bring him back to the roster so. I will open the floor now day when the wants to weigh in on the quarterback competition. I love the depth and I think potential. This can be the best position on the team honestly even what receiver involved I. Think this this can be. This can be a definitely the best position on defense. when it's all said and done in variant history strikes look at. Yeah I think it's exciting. I think they have a legit like shutdown guy in the slot in darkies which they haven't had that we. You know I think. Doing a rotation of Oliver and Sheffield is really smart because we've seen that teams have been able to pick on Oliver by putting him up on this the fast shifty eyes. And we also know that Sheffield doesn't have great size. So what do you do you switch them out you play matchups let Sheffield lineup on the tyreek hills because Kendall Sheffield might be the fastest guy team and you let Isaiah Oliver Cover Mike Evans. And don't force. You know these guys to cover guys they're not meant to cover. And I agree I think the depth is really solid to quite this might be the most drastic change over the course of the offseason like I remember early on it was like this is the does the group that is the most concern going in to training camp, and then now you look at it and it's like, Oh this might be the strongest position on the defense so it's pretty crazy. And I liked that that they strengthen that unit because that only helps the Gaza Front Russian the past that you know even hold up moving long back there give those guys a second or two extra. For that move to work for them so they can get that pressure get that second you know get drew brees on his ass so we can ahead and beat they behind. You know I'm saying Oh. Yeah. Yeah. No I totally agree that the coverage like they work hand-in-hand like it's important for both to be good to have success. Thirty. I think those new guys that I think that's the key for for to Russia who was talking about earlier I think that's the key for them You know being able to get. There is how long we can hold it back there and you know because let's be honest. You know there's GonNa be some games. Those guys they're gonNA be playing against some tacos don't take a little bit of time to get there might take about secondhand before they really started being effective and those DB's they gotta hold up and you know let those guys from work they moved and figure out. Okay. You know I don't need to do this. I need to work that on him. You know because they might come in with a certain game plan and it work, and now they gotta figure something else out. Yeah Yeah I agree. Also recruitment I want add I'm proud of agents throw screen again. Yeah, absolutely. He came in. You know he wasn't the most popular guy in the room because of you his national championship game but he came in and he held his own against who Calvin really I I'm proud it. Yeah, he's proved himself. It's hard to live up to expectations as a first round. Pick it just it just is. So to have him do that and be one of the most impressive players trading. That's a great sign at this point. So I'm excited to see what he brings. All right last position group. Safety we got three guys that have been locked since day one obviously Kennedy Kneel. At strong safety and then we got Ricardo and Demonte at free safety. Don't exactly know how that rotations GONNA shake out. They're both GonNa have big roles. More interestingly is like who's the backup strong safety? It seems like with the signing of Jj Cox. That the team was was looking for more and. More of a veteran option to back you up as opposed to the rookie Jalen Hawkins Hawkins beginning of training camp with. You know being on the Cova List. So I have jj will making it as the primary backup and then Jalen. Hawkins Fifth Safety be worked in You have any thoughts on how that group might work out. This might actually we've been talking about a four while but this. Year, we see at three six. Finally. We talking about there's is like twenty six years. Yeah. This'll be the year. We see they implemented a lot in practice and. They're GONNA have to in my opinion be honest with you and they can get exotic with it man i. I watched to most people pick. Because they can they can take kion who's like he on down as sort of like a viper stryker a weeks out on backer still keep you know Keynesian Allen as you're safe I mean Allen as a k Yeah Katie Allen as your safety your freeze atheist all say they did exotic was a full standard three states with Oregon. You can get a little exotic with the coverage have three safeties in two quarters out there still still. Covered repairs gotta get funky with it. Yeah. You gotta get. Yeah just do whatever you can do. All right. Here's my question. With that if they keep those three guys in there, then that means they gotta take somebody out front. So. Tack Grady. Dante they better. Get there. You know what I mean. That's that's my that you know what? That means. Okay with that meets. Problem. That's been what it's been a problem with has been it has been but I thought I think what? What they're going to see from NFC teams having a guy out there nothing against old woken by having a guy like Yahu out there at a weak side linebacker or just extra state that feel he can match up against titans. Definitely you see a lot of three three receiver set. You know with the extra time out there on film you see a lot of them, I think their coverage there their schemes, it has to be mixed up a little bit. And they're they're not going to have much choice this year because they got. Somebody. Casey to me Z. is good enough to not be right in the. Guys. Ready a turnover waiting to happen. Yeah. Another coach on the field and again, can you turn back the plan time? Guy Kim means just having him out there intimidates the opposing. Player and. As more. Exactly. The thing about Casey is lost season they tried to make that tried to get cute with it. You know you understand Ricardo owns back Yonder Neil back they went away from what worked what worked with Casey as a free safety and the demonic as he did as a free safety a couple years ago was lead the League in receptions and lost your they tried to like put him in that slot corner. Rolling. You could tell that he just wasn't comfortable in it. And then. When you went back to free safety injuries happen he thrived once again. Yes it. Just. Seems like his his that's where he's comfortable. Don't fight it fight it just let him play sculptor. Here's my question is is Joe. WHITT? Junior. and He Morris, are they going to be allowed to do those different exotic covers? All know their Quinn he's roundabout with more guys or front. We rushed for these other guys. You know cover to baby you know the guy better than yours is. Let y'all. He will. Yeah I think I think so I think joe it the signing of Joe it to me is is signaling that they know they needed to do something different the secondary they know they had to cut the quit this let's play sides. Let's just put our guys out there. Let the offense dictate everything to us like that. That's that's so don't don't work anymore wage you can't let the offense dictate the matchup today's fell unless you WanNa, get burned and You know I think where he morris is more open to those types of coverages I think Joe, where junior is a guy that's Basically what we've seen with them rotating is a rekindle. Sheffield is telling us that they're going to start playing matchups more in I think that's great. IDEA. Well they better be flexible. In case those four guys a I don't get there because then it's my gotta get creative, right? Yeah. I totally agree. So I'm hopeful there I think that they'll be a little bit more flexible with that. 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Early thoughts on the Falcons 2020 training camp

The Falcoholic

1:02:27 hr | 3 months ago

Early thoughts on the Falcons 2020 training camp

"This is the Falcons podcast. You Fisher podcast balconies on the espionage and podcast network. This is David. Walker you can. W Your back with the twenty twenty NFL season. Calkins have got camp underway in the midst of this crazy crazy time with. This is obviously going to be a very different season have ever experienced in the past the the kick it off. This year with two guys. Interact with quite frequently on the twitter's we have been on each other's podcasts back and forth in the past but this is actually first time. I had them both together here. With us on the Falcons. podcasts I he has no stranger to those of you on twitter You know him as talk fans I'm talking about the one and only Aaron Freeman Aaron how you doing Great. Thanks, W. Yeah. Thank you. and his partner in crime on the Falcons PFC is get that right. Or formerly I guess he should say. We decided to go separate ways but. Not It's good to be back with Aaron. Thanks for having me on. W., it's you know like you said, it's crazy year. There you have normal year. It feels somewhat normal. Now being back on air you guys talk Falcons football hopefully the season to come. Awesome good deal and of course I think I forgot to. Say Your name? Matt Caroline is I. Get the last name, right? On in her. Perfect are just wanted to dive straight into because. As seems to be the case with the Falcons these days, right as we're going to record a podcast, they drop something on us if we get to talk about which I appreciate. And I'll be honest with you guys the past like two or three podcasts we've done on the faculty podcasts have been. More focused on the pandemic and stuff, and we're not gonNA talk about much. I'm actually really eager to talk about real football topics So this is going to be co vid light podcasts. We've covered that extensively on the site and then past I wanna talk about football stuff and the big news hit right before we got onto record was the falcons cutting. guard. Jim Brown. In this is a little bit surprising move because from a cap standpoint. Not Hundred percent sure but I think they're actually may be a cap hit for cutting him or maybe maybe sort of just dead even So there's not really a financial reason to have cut him on. So Aaron I WANNA go to your first on your take on whether your thoughts on Brown being the first guy out the door in this competition left guard. Well when it comes to the pandemic. Oh I'm sorry we're not supposed to talk about that. With Jim Brown being cut I. Think you know it's been the writing has been on the wall for the last couple of weeks just because he has been absent going into training camp for me. You know my expectations was that between him and James Carpenter because one of those guys was not gonNa make no just no way to the falcons. We're GONNA pay those guys as much money as they did last year to do as little as they did last year this upcoming season one of those guys who's going to get cut. Brown's contract basically made it prohibitive to cut him as I understand met me have other details they're not saving any cap space this year I- cutting him. So they're paying in the exact same amount six point six, million dollars To keep him or cut him in carpenter at least there's a little wiggle room. You get maybe like a million million and a half something like that if you were to cut him So going into this on all that to say is my expectation was that Brown would be the safer of the two because it's just easier to get rid of James Carpenter than it would have been but because Brown mistime due to a non. Covert related illness, and then basically missed all last week with a concussion and you basically have like two weeks between now and final cuts. It seemed like the Falcons were looking at it where it's like well, on Brown I guess coming back from that concussion on Monday as well recording this in basically lasted eight hours on the team for they cut him. They decided, hey, you know he's not GonNa make up the ground carpenter between now and the end the final cut. So let's cut him now. And that gives him an opportunity catch on with another team as we've seen lots players around the league, you know getting workouts and tryouts and whatnot and signing with teams over the last couple of days and and probably in the next few weeks. So I I think it's the Falcons doing right by John Brown. But unfortunately, for him, you know fate I guess Came about to. Prevent him from making the team you know depending on how what you think about James Carpenter I'm not a huge fan of it as A. Player, but You know. It is what it is and You know the last thing I'll say about Jim umbrella before in Florida to Matt. His play on the field wasn't great last year. I. Think it was better carpenters but for the most part, I think he's a pretty good dude. So I root for the guy who was on lockdown Fox's last summer. He's done a lot of great stuff off the field yet dating back throughout his career. So. You know he's a guy that I rooted for even though I wasn't necessarily the biggest fan of him in terms of his football ability but certainly a a good human being that I was hoping that you know we'd get at least one shot at redemption on the field season but unfortunately, that's not the case. Matt your thoughts. I mean this is one of the few times that Aaron Iron. Lockstep. So Dwi I'm sorry you're looking for some contentious banter from us to start this podcast awfully. You'RE NOT GONNA get it here. I totally agree with everything that Aaron said there about Demaim Brown I mean every perplexing moves From a cap standpoint just like you guys both noted there's no gap savings to come from this demands. Base salary was fully guaranteed. On March twentieth. And so he's GonNa Count for the same six point, five, million dollars, cap it that he would have still being on a team being off the team. So again, not GonNa get relief in twenty twenty there is a possibility that get some relief in twenty twenty, one due to what's called offset. That vomit or had reported in his report debt. Possibly in Jones contract meaning fewer to sign with a team for two million than. The Falcons would be able to get that two million in savings. In. Twenty twenty one. So that's the one caveat. Of. This is to continue to monitor. Future and where he ends up because if he does sign with someone in science for someone for a couple of male falcons, we'll get a cab credit in twenty twenty one, which you know given what the pandemic is possibly going to do to the salary cap in twenty twenty one, it could be as low as hundred and seventy, five, million in cap. you know every little bit goes a long way. So. That's the one reason I guess that. Makes some sense, but you know all in all I. I just don't get it again they're not gonNA get any savings year. I fully agree that Demaim Brown is better than James Carpenter and I think he's gotten a raw deal from the start would have liked to seen him getting left guard battle but you know as Aaron also pointing out the writing was on the wall. When he was out with an illness, the first week and then out with a concussion last week, you know in a short off season like we have even being out a couple of days. Goes a long way as far as you're standing on the roster. So. It was going to be tough for him to even win the left guard battle but. I liked him for Depp's. I like the variety of options that they would left guard. If whoever they choose to be the starter in week one didn't work out had multiple options. Now, they have one last option. so again. Whatever, you think about your mom brown I, think the offensive line, the depth and skill here does take a hit from Jimmy Brown being out. Not being on the team anymore. So again, it's doesn't make much sense to me. You know I'm thinking in the back of my head, what is what is it like Arthur blank think about moves like this. Now when you hear the reports in the off season that you know one of the Falcons plans at left guard. was to pursue Roger old but they kinda pivoted away from that decision because they wanted to go after two guys and not one of the guys they've already cut after a year of being on the team. With zero cap savings to show for it so. You know does does that inspire much confidence from from decision makers at Arthur blank is now entrusted for another year I. Hardly think so but you know, I guess he'd probably just chalk it up to a sunk cost. What's done is done and he is going to move on and hopefully You know the offensive line does show improvement with whether it's James Carpenter or Matt Hennessy looks like he might have the inside track now on that left guard a spot which at something hopefully, we get into a little bit more later on the show because I have nots there. But yeah for me I just don't like this new don't think it makes a lot of sense and. Again the one caveat is hopefully, they get some additional capsizing twenty twenty one by German signing a somewhat lucrative deal with another team. It like even if you win off the basis that carpenter and Brown. Were let's say equivalent in their performance last year. Carpenters for years older he's thirty one mounds twenty seven. So carpenters already on the wrong side of thirty. No cap savings for Brown a little bit of a cap savings if you cut carpenter. Again. I go to the age thing at least Brown. Potentially is in the prime of his career in in could offer a little bit more than you know maybe carpenter cannon. I don't I'm with both you guys. So I think we're in lockstep all three of us on this particular, which is. Probably a sign of the times and that's fine We know that's coming anyways but yeah, it's it feels like I it almost feels like a hasty move it the timing just seems really. Early to pull this especially when the guy has just he just got off. The concussion protocol was back and now it's like Oh we're done like do do we think that he was off like the restraint discussions? Do we think it? There was enough time in between I don't think I. Don't thinks I mean can you can you even like talk about a trade with someone when they're either slot sick or in a concussion protocol? Is that I'm a I'm assuming that probably had some talks with people over the weekend and they found the nibbles lacking and I don't think it was really ever much of a trade market for Jim Brown that was likely to develop just because of the salary that he was going to have delimited said, he would have with any team at the Fox trade for my basically I think probably the best traded the Falcons coulda pulled off his trading Jim Brown for like a return specialist with something like that CNN and so. That should have people thinking to that that twenty twenty, one cap credit that I was talking about you shouldn't expect a lot because you know Jones probably not gonNA sign for much more than veteran minimum. I would think now is. Surprising yeah. Yeah. I'd be surprised if he got any more than two million. Now. Unfortunately. So. Latest. News Cornell can't Jamaa Brown cut. Obviously we'll see how this plays out for the offensive line battle over the next few weeks. But certainly one name off the list it's going to shorten those guys who are showing up at left guard. Next talk about even though this guy's Falcon they more his name came up last week we had a short ride up about him on the alcohol which I think got some people fired up. which let's be fair. This particular player was incredibly polarizing. In his time Atlanta for better for worse nothing. Some of it was warranted in some of probably overblown I am talking of course about victims. Louis. WHO Falcons did give the fifth year option to which I think many fans disagreed with thought that was a poor move. Who went to the Tennessee Titans and ultimately did not show up at first there was some concern about his mental health. In. When he did show, he failed his physical and at least to my knowledge nothing has changed to that point. have. I missed anything guys. He's not back activists point. I believe he's still on the non football injury list which. See An instagram video of him though showing up to cities Jack Jack Crawford. Video. That popped up on Gray Jarrett's time mine. So. Maybe I feel like he's been checking in the building. He's. He's not. He's. He's. He's there he's right but. He's on he's been. Doing bike worker or stumped. He's on the bike or something. I think the initial concern for Falcons fans was If this guy doesn't show up if you just hang up the cleats, obviously, he was gonNA end up being one of the big factors in the calculation of compensatory picks for the Falcons next year. As one of their big. Free agent departures that got big enough contract qualify them for probably something between the fifth and fourth round in the in the COP formula. In a lot of people were upset that you know he he may have screwed over obviously he could still get healthy enough in be activated that could still come to fruition. But I don't want to spend too much time on Vic because I think we have beaten up his. Over the past four or five years in Atlanta enough. But battle go to you first with your thoughts on Veasley the risk to pick just the whole situation with him sort of the fans still like fan hatred for this player. That is not even on the team anymore. Yeah, I mean the the sensory stuff is legitimate if he doesn't show up that. He'll haunt us one last time and will cost US likely it's fifth-round. Compact. But. I just I hope the guy gets right he's he's obviously dealing with something internally whether it's just the struggle of what he wants to do with the rest of his life whether it be football or the latest report that came out, he wants to be a pastor of a church. I just I just want him to find peace at life. You know it's well documented that he dealt with the loss of his father. After his first season in. Atlanta so. I think he's just looking for guiding light to point them in the right direction in I've always liked the guy a as a person. He's always been great for the community It's unfortunate that the football side of things didn't work out and I wish people would would let go a little bit on twitter. It's it is. Exhausting time seeing some of these Tweeden when again, like you said he's talking about. Do. Give you credit you. You had a couple of good zingers on twitter about it. At, least be funny with it. Yeah. Yeah. Be Creative whether you're going to do it people like ended up you'll be spiteful. Just be funny. Yeah. So again, I, I hope things will work out you know I'd like to see what he would do also in a different system in a different scheme with my rail could potentially. Get something out of them. As. They always say that different change of scenery sometimes can do a player wonders. Just. For that aspect, I'd like to see what he would do in. Tennessee. But again, I I just want S-ram hopefully, he finds that peace of mind that whatever he wants to do in life you know he goes one hundred, ten percent added can have some success there. So that's kind of my thoughts on the whole Vic Beasley situation. Well you know normally I would grandstand grandstanding be like well, you know back in two thousand, sixteen said. It wasn't very good but you know I won't bring that up on today's podcast but. What I will say is. I think when it comes to the vitriol in spite the gets BBC's way. He in Dwi said he he got brought up last week. He gets brought up every week. He will be brought up forever in Falcon circles in large part I think because the expectations put on him because of this team's lack of investment. In the pass rush for. The better part of the last twenty years and he's one of the few exceptions to that and unfortunately. there. Other players that are exceptions to that. You know I'm looking at you Jamal Anderson You know some of those guys who have also worked out. So it even made it even put double pressure on Vic. Beasley. To sort of be the John Abraham that everybody wanted him to be that von Miller type of guy he you know I don't think was ever really capable of living up to those expectations I think that was quickly. revealed early in his career, but he had sort of sack production yet in two thousand sixteen, which I think lead people to believe that you know that was something that would continue and subsequent years it didn't use Lee and people turned very much on him and you know some of the issues that he's had talked about with some of the questions with his commitment and work ethic and whether or not he loves the game. Football only. magnified. Those beliefs that people had with him and all well, he could have been you know it's the mindset of he could have been great if he you know just work hard or whatever the case may be, but it is what it is So I think with Beasley in. Tennessee you know. I don't know I. Don't I. Don't have anything else to say just like you know I'm the fair. That's. I'm kind of over the victim. Easy thing like, yeah he he's. He's a bust or whatever you WANNA call him. He's whatever you WANNA call him that Lanta it's over now moving on you know like the you know we can I think to like if if the Falcons didn't. ACCEPT HIS FIFTH YEAR OPTION PAM twelve million. Sherwood probably still people are still probably criticizing him but are they going to criticize him? Anymore I, think that had a lot to do with it too, and people are directing their in the wrong place. Right like I think about this situation I blame Dmitrov abroad that in in Dan Quim for that more than I do beasley like if someone comes up to me and says, Hey, we want to give you thirteen million for substandard performance I am signing up exam signing those papers so fast. Don't blame me take your money and Ryan Kid. So I blame the people who wrote the checkout yeah. They kind of doubled down on BBC twice ran. You know coming off his twenty seventeen season they were like you know he had a down year because he wasn't getting as many opportunities. Russia quarterback was wasn't technically true and so we're going to stick purely as a defensive end and he's going to be back to the old two, thousand, sixteen pro Vic Beasley it was anything but that and then they were like well, let's give the fifth year option. He now Dan Queens going to lay his hands on them, work the magic or whatever he did improve until nineteen was better. You know wasn't good but he was better. You. Dan Quinn did what he could, and so I think that you're right w the fact that the team double down on him twice. Magnifies fans hatred towards him. When I think really reality, the situation should be directed at the Organization for basically doubling down on a player that. Maybe I, I get the two thousand eighteen. But you know by the time twenty, nineteen around like we we know like he's he's not gonNa be good again right like you. Know that right like we're not sitting here pretending. He's going to be good. Again, let's go out and get somebody who actually is going to be good like let's make Dante Fowler type of signing last year as opposed to waiting to this year. So right you know I think that could have mitigated some of these issues. But obviously, we can't change the past. No last comment on Al Make for the Falcons and pass rushers seems like they either. move onto quickly as they did with John Abraham when they send him packing probably a couple years too soon. Or. They hang on way too long. They didn't with Vic Veasley and maybe you know in fairness maybe with Jack with them doing the fifth year option, maybe they're trying to find the middle ground there but. I wish him all the best. I think any kid in their mid twenties. Later twenties. It's hard to know exactly what you WanNa do like I have friends who are in their forties or still trying to answer that question. So I wish him the best. I hope he has a good run intensity but. Yet we're going to close the book on our talks about Vic. Beasley. But I feel like we talk just touch on it because of the fact that. The COP. Formula was at risk. All right. Number one takeaway through the first several days of training camp in. A weird weird weird season obviously, a very few reporters can be their camps or rely on reports from guys like Jason. Clearer up. But what is the number one takeaway from each of you guys for training camp so far? Erin. I. Well. The thing I've been talking about mostly on October Falcons. which you can. You know part of the lockdown podcast network your team every day. is that. The guard competition seems to be going in Mad Hennessy's direction right and we've already touched upon and you know that that was the big position battle court. The starting cornerback position is up for grabs but honestly, you know my take on based off of Kindle Sheffield Isaiah Oliver's performed between nineteen is like. Doesn't really matter starts like you know it's dark ways, Denard AJ rope show in. You know whoever is the third guy fine great. Awesome but the guard battle I think has been one of the interesting things in seems like Matt Hennessy has steadily continued in progress to continue to get most of the first team. Now's we saw. Donald. Those reps earlier in Camp James Karp owner. Continued, the also get snapped, but it does seem like you know the Falcons are thumbs are on the scale not to suggest that maybe Matt Hennessy isn't deserving of the honour, but it seems clearly that the Falcons want Hennessy. The be the starter just like last summer they clearly wanted Chris Lynch to be started at right guard and you know I think it was day one or day. Two in training camp he was the starter in never looked back and so you know I don't think they're willing to go that far with Hennessy quite yet in terms of just like giving him a job and saying like he's won it through the off season but it's very clear that you know I think probably within a week or so if not a few days they will probably. Name Hennessy as the team's starting left guard for this upcoming season, which I did not expect the happen coming out of the draft You know I'm team Gano for life but you know if he wins the job and went to plane well, then then so be it I'm not blaming you know but that that's been sort of the main thing that I've been focused on. How about you? Yeah. I mean I think what and just talk about is definitely the number one kind of storyline or number one surprise. Up Training camp but I'll take a slightly different direction. Just talk about the rookies as a whole I've been pretty impressed. With how quickly I think. This draft class seemed to adapt in seem to have found a lot most of them have found their way into the first team Reps. for those that follow me closely on twitter they saw the off season I wasn't a fan of many moves that the Falcons made this off season. But one of the things I did come away impressed with was their draft class at thought. For the most part at least their first four picks thought they found pretty great values at each spot. and Aj Terrell a lot of people are quiet now on twitter about Aj Terrell and he's he's showing the makings. Of the future cornerback one. Going toe to toe with Calvin Ridley. On that first day and you know what? What was the takeaway from that play when he made that that jumping interception that Kinda of went viral on twitter was just One of the notes that I wrote down on of college film was his lack of of making plays on those fifty fifty balls and to see him go up in high point of ball like that against Ridley. I thought was impressive. So again, he definitely looks like the part it looks like he's going to be the falcons starting left cornerback to replace doesn't True Fon that's very encouraging. Again, fans got understand his slumps along the way, but you know some of the other rookies last year know I think that's just part of the process but the teams better in the long run because of it so you know that's certainly impressing. Aaron Talk About Matt Hennessy likely in the left guard I do want to circle back to that and talk more about that in a minute but I want to bring Mike Walker he has huge fan of that Michael. Walker pick a guy kind of identified in the process early on. Didn't know if the Falcons would find him because again he was one of those diamond the no one really talked about him in the pre JAP process but. as a rookie, you gotta make plays early on in camp, and that's a lot of what the reporters are saying now that Michael Walker's doing he's had a few interceptions. Tip Balls and now he's found his wife playing alongside Dion Jones and fully lagoon with I e mind backer crew, which again, I was high on Michael Walker. But I thought they with this reduced off season. You know not as many padded practices pre-season Games I thought that he was going to have more of A. Slow burn to to make his way up with starters now, that doesn't seem to be the case. So you know the fact that three of their four I four picks. Are Looking to be starters and throw in the owner in the seventh round he's likely going to be the starter. Draft glasses shaping up better than I would even give it credit for after you know the weekend in April. So that's kind of been my biggest takeaway and and it's it's a good sign for the future that that these guys are we least showdown practice and again it's one thing shot in practice indifferent shock on on Sundays. But again, it looks like we're GonNa see them early on and and they're going to get their reps and be better for the long run. So that's my biggest takeaway. But again, I I do want to talk about Tennessee thing 'cause we win not to agree with Aaron again but I just think there's more value. For the team long-term for him to be the center and by him being the left guard. You know it's two completely different positions. People think Oh. Yes sure. He's. He's right next to the center and all that and you know he's GonNa be right in Alex next ear and he's still GONNA learn from. But again, you're looking at completely one different saying at left Guard than you are Senator Colin protections all that. I just don't know what the plan would be long term because again I've been I've been Kinda speculating for the last couple of weeks giving what know about the twenty twenty, one salary cap what's potentially GonNa look like. I. Don't I see the odds of Alex Mack returning whether even wants to play. In like the five percent ten percent range. So I think this is GonNa be our next last season at center and. The whole point of this Hennessy selection being a home run in my opinion was just for him to sit back learn behind one of the game's all time bested center. And then take over and twenty twenty one at one of the most important positions on the offensive line. And be the center of the future, and now I mean, if he's the left guard, you know they're they're not gonNA. They're gonNA. Bump on whether he goes through struggles or not. He's if he wins the job, he's going to be left guard assuming he's fully healthy. He's going to be the left guard for the entire season. You know what are you doing? Twenty Twenty One deepdale on back in a new, he has to kind of restart his developmental clock at center, and then you have to find you know. A new left guard and that's why I'm also with Aaron. The stars team I thought I. Think it makes complete sense that Matt Ghana will be the starting left guard costs controlled player. You know you can give him the restricted free agent tag next year, which is you know three or four million. That's that's pretty. Standard for starting offensive Lineman in the national football league and then you. Get Him. As an extension, a decent extent for doesn't have a lot of films. He doesn't have a lot of leverage in negotiations room. You can have jake. Matthews. Gano Mad Hennessy. Chris Lindstrom mcgarry as you're starting offensive line for potentially the next three to four years if not, Ghana was given the keys that left guard spot. Assuming. He's at least a average level starter, which again, it's fine. If you're fifth guys in average level starter I think. Sure, we've dealt with offense of lines struggles the last several years, but you know it's very hard to get five elite level offensive lineman. You'RE GONNA have one guy that's just competent level a sign level starter in, and that would be fine. If that's what Ghana was I think he showed he has potential to be a little bit more than that so. Again just all goes back a little bit. You know to Jim Brown conversation I don't know if this coaching staff knows how to evaluate offensive line and until they get a new group in there, we're going to deal with some of the same struggles that we've dealt with the last couple of years off the line. So, Erin before we go to you for your Matt Hennessy take and whether or not this is another Peter Cons revisited situation ooh That's going to hurt we're going to take a quick break gives back Yada right. We'll be right back after this. We're back on the faculty podcast is David Walker. I am joined by Aaron Freeman in Matt. Karoly. We were talking about the Falcons I several days in training camp. Before went break Matt was talking about opened up the conversation about Hennessy in the fact that he is not just competing at the left guard spot right now it looks like he is lining up to be the start of their potentially So I know you've got also a pretty strong opinion about this I do WanNa. Say as for me. I am also team go I. Would See Matt go no last year when gather guys were stinking it up and thought maybe we should give someone else who shot anyhow what is your take on Hennessy? The long-term look of the Alcan's offensive line where centers concerned that whole Hullabaloo. Well I. Think What Matt said is pretty spot on with sort of the upside is there for Gano? Being the left guard in if he winds up being successful in that role in you know Hennessy's the long term asset center and you have your long term asset at right guard Lindstrom, and then you know you've probably got another three maybe four prime years Jake Matthews at left tackle and hopefully Kailahun Gary put it together because you know. He'll. He'll get run out of town just quickly as thick Beasley I if he if he does not perform this year but Falcon fans have long memories. So is some tweets that he had in the offseason so I hope for his sake. Steps up this year So you're looking at what Matt said where you know the potential is there that you can go out there and find options for all five of your star for the next several years and won't have to use in early round pick in that can be devoted to addressing other holes on your roster. In the future, you don't have to use free agent dollars you know eating equality starting garden free agency. You Know Matt already talked about Roger. Sophal like DESA. Going right those eleven, million dollars. That's that's the going rate for any decent starting guard today's NFL and a lot of times you not even getting guys good as Roger Chaffee has been at that price tag. So That's money that you can now spend ellsworth short other spots on your roster. So you know it's it clearly is in the best interest of the team. I think for Matt Donald to be the starting left guard and to sort of just have Hennessy redshirt this upcoming season but. In the Falcons play devil's advocate because we haven't been, we've been agreeing to much today's episode. The question is you know gone dig at some starting reps early in camp maybe he didn't perform well like the problem is, of course, normally we would have the preseason and we could all sit there and say, well, you know not Gano did this and the game against you know whoever were playing the jetsons redskins are over the summer always Jaguars and we can measure that against what Matt Hennessy did in those preseason games and we can sit there and say like. Oh. Yeah. Like Matt Hennessy is better than that Gano and he deserves to be the starter or we could sit there and say, well, you know I think gone really did the Bachelor James Carpenter or Jim Brown or whoever right so we have that ability as outsiders to judge. We don't have that luxury this summer because of the way to campus set up and there's no preseason and there's only a few is in camp with reporters and whatnot. And no offense to the Jason Button. The von. McClure's of the world. But I don't necessarily know if we can necessarily trust their word on what they're observing INC camp as well. So now you're stuck in a place as a Falcon fan sitting on the outside like the rest of us. Wondering, you have to put your faith in this coaching staff's ability to properly evaluate offensive Lineman, and as we joked, several times already, today's episode is not the most illustrious history of being right on those evaluations. So you have to have a certain level of faith and you know this is the time of the year where people tend to be a little bit more faithful than they are at other points in time of year. So hopefully, we will you know get a few weeks from now get into the game's going up against you know the Dijon, we drawn read and week one Dante Repoen week to you know Akiem Hicks in. Week Three Kenny Clark Week four Cohen Shorten we etcetera etcetera like it's it's not going to be easy on whoever is starting guard. So hopefully, it will be battle-tested early in the season. So we will of know pretty early whether or not whether it's Matt Hennessy whether it's James, Carpenter weather's Matt Gano, whoever all those guys are going to get tested pretty early in the season we'll. We'll have our answer you know in the next month or so but until now we've just kind of have to sit here and be confident that the Falcons coaching staff who hasn't done much to abuse confidence in part to signing guys like James Carpenter Demogra-. Drafting players, I, Peter Cons is going to make the right call here, and that's where I think some of the misgivings certainly that I have as the king of people questioning the the Falcons Organization you know sitting here today it's it's kind of like, okay. We'll. We'll see how turns out, but it's hard for me to be overly optimistic given their history. I. Think the one, the one thing just to jump in front of. You know that I thought about Ghana in why? They've kind of had tackle and you look at the depth attack with Jake Matthews, Kayla mcgarry where to go down. John Wetzel biggest supporters on outcomes twitter. But I don't really want to see him have play if God. Forbid you know he had been one of the tackle spots in at rather see Gano there. So you know maybe it's just a matter of They noticed a few other options at at left guard battle that they can of sift through carpenter and Hennessy even mccray when it wouldn't be the worst thing. If McRae got some time I think he's been an underrated signing this off season as a swing guide but. There's not much after Mathewson Gary at tackle in Ghana was drafted to be a tackle. He has kind of physical attributes. as far as length and all that goes. To be tackle so I mean maybe that's just part of their thinking but. I still would. Prefer him to be the left guard but I do also see why he's gotten the bulk of his reps this off season at Taco because. Again do need to have a swing tackle ready for twenty twenty and to be fair winded say recently, he was not sure where he wanted to put GonNa like he's I I think they're even still debating it internally whether he needs to be in that left guard competition or to your point is he is the team better served by him being there swing tackle I. Think there was some early buzz with Evan Caesar check I may have just massacred the name but. The undrafted, the offensive tackle. Yeah and you know maybe maybe he is not working out the way you know some of the early buzz indicated yet the swim tackle is actually really important position I mean. Let's just go out and get a Tyson umbrella again. But Yeah there's Obviously, still time for this to to play out not a ton of time because actually much closer to the season than I think people realize. But there is time for this to work out you know. But I'm with you guys I I wanted to go at at the Guard position on it reminds me many ways but when the Falcons, film? Ryan. SCHRADER. When you find a player position, like you said Erin, it opens up now instead of you having to spend a high draft pick for a second rail on on a position. That, YOU'RE GONNA pay ten plus million four in free agency you you. You have a little bit more flexibility. You have a little bit more flexibility free agency been more flexibility in the draft when you get one of these undrafted guys that suddenly can become a starter that you can plug in and they don't even have to be the best start or sometimes they just have to be competent. To be a little bit better than James Carpenter a little bit better than a West Schweitzer was. James Stone. Holy Cow. We had a james stow reference me. You know yeah and I mentioned Peter Cohen's earlier in that brought that up because. Some people forget his first year with the Falcons they slotted him in at one of the I. Think it was right guard for him. and he he played most season playing regard I think the two situations are different I think causes struggles were mainly because he was not good period. and. Had nothing to do with whether or not he played guard or center he's just bad. Not Mincing any words I, like it. But. It did it seeing what's happening with Hennessy? Made me think back to that was like, do we really want to go back to playing guys? In a different position than what we really intended to draft them for. And or their benefits for that so I think I'm with you guys. Put. My go-to there Let's see how that plays out in worry about offense tackle is a separate sort of position. All right. I'M GONNA. Talk about some of the manes that are standing out in camp. We've talked about a few and this is for better or worse like you. It could be bad reasons to but we've seen some names popping up a little bit more frequently than others. and. I just want to get your thoughts on some of these things Michael Walker and Matt I. Know You. You said a little bit about him. Earlier he has seen a lot of reps with the first team. He has a player that. Obviously as a little bit further down in the the picks for the Falcons you know he wasn't expected to come in and necessarilly. Be. That would compete for starting position so Real. Quick. What's your take on? Michael Walker in your hopes for him Is Erin. You met. I'm just like I said earlier I'm very pleased. He's adding his development I think we can legitimately see him be one of the starting linebackers in week one assuming. There some questioning whether they're going to be a four three based team again or go back to that five to setup. But I think they're gonNA still have multiple looks. So you know it's when they're running that for three I. You know we can see Michael Walker on that field at Sam Linebacker As early as we want I, think so I mean for me. That's that's it makes my heart. Happy Discuss I didn't think with this type of off season I didn't think we were going to get that from some of these younger players. So see, he's making plays getting time at the ones I think that's great and it's only gonna mean great things for the future with with him in Atlanta. Aaron we're Mike. Walker's concerned. Do you think this is more about him? Standing out or the fact that the falcons sort of have some major gaps in the linebacker depth thirty think maybe it's a mix of the two. I think it's a mix of the two I. Think you know Walker clearly when you're looking at this roster and you're looking at guys complain that strong side Linebacker spot which were assuming that he's GonNa play particularly in the base defenses Matt said in their four three fronts. I think he clearly stands out because like it's either him or Dante Fowler who know the team wants to rush the quarterback so implant linebacker, it's fine but that means he's going to drop into coverage and that means he's not rushing the quarterback. So you know I don't know if that's their though to plan as far as that goes in and beyond that it's like Edmund Robinson who had a good year in the XFL but like The guy that you want starting your you know so I think it's not as if like you know the Falcons brought, who's who of of high level competition because Dion Buchanan while illegit NFL or legit NFL caliber player was going to say starter but I know Arizona Cardinals fans definitely question that. You know he's not really a fit for that role you know. so He's more of a backup to Dion Jones a backup to four year old Koon and whatnot. So I feel like walkers certainly has the skill set to stand out. So it's not to take anything away from the things that he's done and we heard him you know about him making several players on the field. So it's not to sit here and be like he is deserving the praise but it is one of those things where it's like, what are the other real? You know like we came out of camping like men Edmund Robinson is picked off Matt Shop Six Times already draining him. I don't know if we would be sitting there talking about how great Edmond Robinson was. We'd be like what's going to match up you know he's usually a superstar in in camp and whatnot but you know I think it's a little bit of both with. Walker I didn't just add one other point I do think they're going to use more of that five to setup though which that's why Walker won't see a ton of snaps right? Clear. Yeah. In that setup, it will be the Jones elegant, which again was while I was like well, you know again, they don't need Mike Walker to play, but if he continues to show out I think he's GonNa Force their hand to see some time on the field. Whether. That's I. Don't know you know mixing in between him and foyer doubt it. But who knows a I don't know how you know we're not there and we're just here a couple of plays here near that he's made. More plays you make the more again forced to coaching staff hands to do something about and put him on the field. But again if they're gonNA use that to set up more Errands point he's not the linebacker debt isn't as much of an issue where it's that's the reason he seeing playing time because you only need to players to to traditional linebackers on field walker can be one of the backups. Reynolds is going to be the backup because a special teams and then. The question becomes. The. Became would be the fifth guy just based on his resume track record. But. Who knows we haven't heard Array Wilburn but he he would be that undrafted guy that that could potentially compete then I'm so we talked by adding Robinson but. They only need to traditional linebackers. You know need to see the fields. I mean realistically like he's gotTa said between nickel dime sets in whether they really run three linebackers out there much. His peak will probably be twenty five, maybe thirty percent of total snaps So he'll be listed probably as a starter on paper, but effectively be in sort of a a mid tier role where he's he's not. The same number snaps as Jones You'll be listed next to so but I I'm with you guys you know it's good to see. that. He is going to get the opportunity I think there is there some gaps in that particular position from Falcon? So Hopefully. He'll live up to that next name in obviously. God help us if he doesn't show up in camp in some way or another first round pick AJ trail. I feel like you know if I go back Cilliers when Tru Font Alford were drafted. There was this sort of belief. That at the time, because these two rookies were getting to go encamp against a at the time very healthy instill productive Roddy White and Julio Jones and it was you know quote unquote trial by fire. So they were getting to compete against two very, very good wide receivers in practice every single day, and we sort of have the equivalent of that again. With Mohamed A. Julio Jones and. Jones and Calvin Ridley. Now, getting to sort of take a guys like h h rail. To school during camp. So, early returns seem to be pretty positive. Aaron what do you think? Do you think it's just again a little bit of hype or do you think that Terrell does have the capacity to be a decent rookie corner starter for the Falcons this year? I think it's it's the ladder You know there's always a a degree of hype but I think with Aj Toronto of all the things to hype up about the Falcons this off season he's probably the thing you know that is most deserving of their off-season dishes beyond maybe Dante Fowler I guess you know I it. Not Despair Tiger at nerves but like you know I I, think That's a separate conversation. I think with. Aged roll like he has a legit chance like we've seen is cornerback coach new cornerback does Wick Junior. He's had success with Rookie Corner Dyer Alexander recently in Cleveland I mean in in Green. Bay. Williams last year in Cleveland there was another guy in Green, Bay? That I'm blanking on from earlier in his was maybe devan house or something like that. So Joe at junior has a history of getting young corners. To play well. Now it's not a slam dunk you know the packers have had some first round picks around picks. It didn't necessarily come in like the world on fire recently like Kevin Keen and Josh Jackson under Joe Junior but I think Aj throw is closer on the scale of two Giro? Alexander that he is as to those other guys as prospects. So I think there's reason to be optimistic that the things that Aj Toro is doing in camp is legitimate and that he does have that sort of Desmond True Level you see be one type of potential and you know the early returns on the buzz seems to indicate that he's at least at the very least flashing net in camp going up against Gaza coolio in in Calvin Ridley. So I think there's reason for people to be optimistic. So you know it I'm typically a guy that's anti hype you know. But I think. In the case of legitimate. Mattress your thoughts on the first round pick. Yeah I I agree um with Aaron I mean I think the hype is warranted I mentioned earlier. You know one of the negatives that I saw on his college tape was. The lack of an ability going for fifty balls. He checked off with that one rapid, and one of the other notes was some of the stuff on the comeback routes. As far as you know, turnover the hips kind of staying in that receivers hip pocket. That was another thing I saw where he gave up quite a bit of separation college. There was another video that was hosting PF, posted this one. or at least they re tweeted it. Showing. Up Against Ridley on a comeback route and although Ridley did create. A little bit of separation. It wasn't much again I think a lot of that just has to be chalked up the Ridley being an elite runner. You, know. What I saw from Terrell, not play he defendant about as well as he could. So again, there's there's not a lot to dislike about Aj Tyrrell's cornerback I know. Folks had issues with the pick just because Terrell wasn't a guy that was mocked to the Falcons and I think that's one of the like I enjoy mock drafts Aaron likes put the Kibosh on my enjoyment with mock draft during mock draft season. But I think the one thing that I will say negatively mock drafts is the fact that if a certain player isn't picked, isn't mocked to that team throughout the whole mock draft season and then they eventually select that player. It just throws fan bases into a tizzy like they don't know what do it themselves because they weren't prepared for that and I think that's what happened with Aj Rowan and the thing got to remember about the cornerback classes outside of Jessica and I'd say CJ Henderson those kind of there was no unanimous cornerback three in the class you saw all sorts of names being mocked as third cornerback taken off the board. And I think the thing that AJ Terrell. You know the onfield stuff he he had pretty much everything else that those other cornerback. Sad I think people you know one they remembered the national team should game in. Saw Him. You know they saw one of the best receivers in the nation have a couple of catches against them even though wasn't great position on most of those they saw that they wrote him off. And then to the thing that Israel had over those guys which I think ultimately led him to be selected by Atlanta was the off the field stuff I think a lot of those other cornerback said people might have wanted some of those guys you know I I wanted as as as the choice you know guys like Christian Fulton Jeff Glad Ni. They had some off the field stuff trayvon digs to and I don't think Falcons wanted to take a chance with another jalen collins young out. Here's the that really bit them in the ASS these last couple seasons at cornerback depth in the future of the quarterback position, and so you know why take take a chance on that when you can find a player with similar physical attributes, similar talent, but he doesn't have any of those issues and I think that's what automate, lead the Falcons Jj, Terrell. And again I think he's definitely going to be that starting cornerback I left corner to replace Says True Fon. Again, you're going to have to take some growing pains. He's GONNA get beat but every corner does. And again, it's only going to serve him better in the long run I. Think he has legitimate. To be what his COMP Kinda is, which is very slight I i. do believe that he has a chance, the dairy slight type cornerback. AIRY sleigh at his speed was one of the better quarterbacks in football. So. Again. I was never against this guy. I saw it being possible. Wasn't the one I wanted but. He's definitely showing why he was made the sixteenth overall pick and again I don't we weaken. You, know slander Thomas Mitch off for a lot of things. But you look at first round draft pick. A resume other than parade Jerry. He's been pretty rock solid with those first round picks. I don't think AJ drought is going to be any different. I hope so and Certainly. When we moved on from True Font, which I still feel like maybe you're too soon. It's You're going to get young the position at some point in a truly do hope he. He turns out to be a good a viable replacement for for. FOOTROT. So last question before we close on this podcast honestly I could talk with guys all night about everything feel like we've only touched on just a few things as but. The free agents and this is going to be a little bit projection thinking about each of these names. But of these names, Todd Gurley Dante Fowler Darkwa. Denard. which guide you think will end up being the best value for the Falcons in twenty twenty. So Matt, I'll go first and let Aaron close out on that question. I thought about going in a different direction, but the moment you said value I think it's very easily dark was denard I mean the fact that. And again, it hasn't been. Reported yet, but based on over the cap and then spot track later filed them. Got Him for that men and I didn't think how streams that was possible guy that I was pounding the table for thought made a lot of sense to be they're starting to corner. Didn't think they had any shot in how to get him a that in fact that Looks like they did I think. That's easily when it's all said and done to be the best value I. Think Denard is GonNa. Be The starting slot corner. We've already seen in camp. Some of the he's made you wanNA begins Russell Gauge. I think he's going to be every bit as advertised wasting hoping that 'cause I have certainly helped him up quite a bit. So I go dark was my second choice though you know if I had to pick one I. Think Dante Fowler. While I wasn't. I'm not thrilled with the value especially the way they structured the deal being that it's heavily back loaded. I do think. You know he has a chance to be this year's area, Smith and when I say that I mean Pass rusher. That kind of first couple years you know toiled in being anonymous player kind of you know not not a lot of fanfare behind him. I I think he has a shot. To break out, I, mean some of the stuff with the videos that I've seen as far as. You know him developing pass rush move. It's such a breath of fresh air to see a bachelor assured showcase move or talk about what he's doing. The setup is opponent. and seeing tack McKinley kind of feed off of that and Kinda take notes on that that's going to go a long ways for him and those to be in being a quality. Do I think he does have? I think they both do ten, ten plus sacks in them. Not Going to predict that the wolf get it but I think Dante, foward can prove. that last season wasn't a one hit wonder yet and yet other thoughts on that. Look answering just to give something different I think in terms of my value like I would value it differently because I see the world in unique and special ways. What I think I'll take I'll answer the question from this standpoint I think the way that it will be perceived by the fan base at large I. Think Todd Gurley will be considered the better value hey, because interesting I think. The way you know. No offense to you fans all the people listening here. Reputation for insulting people in to talk down to people but. Like the way that people perceive corners is how many picks you get and dark ways. Denard is not necessarily known for. Making a tiniest options so He's very cheap and you'll probably be one of the better nickel cornerback league as he's been in the last several years in Cincinnati for a veteran minimum contract. You know the fact that he's not gonNA. Make that meaning plays as people see it. I don't think your average fan is GonNa see his value to the degree that. Others will. Dr, Fowler because the expectations are that you know he's going to be. The new John Abraham you're at least being upgraded Beasley. There are expectations Dante. Fowler is going to have to have a double digit sack season or he's going to be a disappointment, a lot of people up. In while I, think him getting a double digits axes is definitely a possibility to six upcoming season. If I was to actually put my hard earned money on it, I'd probably say probably going to get like eight sacks which I think to a lot of fans will be considered an improvement relative to the fact of the disappointment of busy. But you know I think had eight sacks last year. So to a lot of fans and they'll be like, why do we all this money? The only get the same exact production got vic easily, which is its own thing but. Again. I. Don't agree with that but I think that's GonNa be the perception. So I think really when you're looking at it tiger early. Because, he's going into legitimately be upgrade over devante Freeman it and probably have a much more successful season and I think certainly has a chance two thousand dollars again, I'm not necessarily projecting them I think probably finished somewhere net nine, hundred yard range or whatever the case may be but. Because of the value also heads in the passing game and he actually might score touchdowns. This upcoming season because you know cutters saying he's going to run the football so we'll see. I think you know. I think the perception is going to be the Todd Gurley given. He's signed a one year five million dollars contract if he winds up having thirteen hundred, fifteen hundred total yards or whatever that number is I think the common perception is going to be that he was the steel because there isn't necessarily expectations. Going on him that I think the other players are going to be having to sort of fight against So I think to your average Fan Todd Gurley will be considered the value of this trio although I would argue. That certain ways Denardo or Are Valor would be considered better values. Depending on your perspective. I think it's more than fair in to your point Fowler I think has really high bar that people are expecting him the clear especially with the money. And you know. The problem with a really good corners when they do their job, you don't see them do their job like you don't see the ball, go their direction like when Tru font had his best seasons quarterbacks just simply weren't even throwing hit in his direction. He was one of the least targeted corners in the league in as you mentioned Erin, lot of times people are putting the emphasis on interceptions. Well, when you have a corner that's taking away half of the field in some ways, they're doing even more of the job than the guys are just making picks but. I like it. That's why have you guys on? Some unique takes Munich voices and with that I want you guys to let our listeners know where they can find you erin pitched. The hell out of your podcast is not will. In where they can find you what you've got going on. Erin You I. Well, you know if you enjoy Falcon podcasts that happened five days a week unlike when that happens once every five months. And seem to be focused on corona. Time. Only, say it because I know the WSB kidding. If. You enjoy daily podcast about the Falcons and. Enjoyed this insight, that Matt and I provided on today's episode you won't get it from that but you'll get me unlock on Falcons on your favorite podcast platform where on all the same ones that twu and the Alchoholic podcast. Unfortunately, it is the official podcast of the but Yeah. You could check me out at lockdown Falcons and of course, on twitter at file fans. Excellent Matt total listeners where they can find your what you've got going on and you can find me on twitter at Matt Charolais K. A. R. O. L.. Y.. You some I written works still right in every now, and then at risa reader dot com. been promoted a little bit but eventually, I will write about the twenty twenty one caps situation. Just as more information, kind of trickles in You know again, we're an uncertain times. We gotta take it day by day and we have no idea what the caps can be next year we know at the lowest it'll be hundred, seventy, five million and if that's the case in the Falcons are in a bit of a bind but Now I've already looked at a little bit. There's ways they can get out of it and kind of be somewhat above water. So eventually be on out for that. At. RISE UP READER DECO. Looking. Forward to the Falcons right article. Clearly. I'm kidding. We all know that. They have to bring back. 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AP Draft Show - Post-Combine thoughts (Ep. 3 of 2020)

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AP Draft Show - Post-Combine thoughts (Ep. 3 of 2020)

"Own very merry draft. Miss to you. Thank you for joining us today. My Name's Kent Swanson. This is the AP draft show and it is the third episode of the year. It is the first episode after the combine. Jake find him on twitter at Jake. Morley my my co-host here. We both went to the combine. Jake how how? How was that experience for you? It was awesome. There was a lot of fun we it was cool because we went and different capacities this year. Like you went through Arrowhead Pride. I got to go with packer. Report but it was really cool. It was kind of funny though too because obviously I'm still doing work for Arrowhead pride as well so like asking the guy's questions. I thought it was funny because I was getting weird. Looks from people. 'cause I was very much asking them. What would it be like to be a Kansas City chief? And they're answering the question and then I'd be like have you interviewed the packers. Go is he going to go through? Every team might sit there and ask every single one. Have you met with the panthers. Yes no and you find out really quick. At those podiums sessions that media can be very petty and they don't like it not that we were doing that but you can definitely tell some people that they were rolling their eyes like. Oh my gosh really. Us that question. Like I got I got stuff to do. GotTa Talk to this guy and you asked him like. Who's Netflix? Account you work for us or which actually is really cool people. You've seen that stuff but there's around asking. Who'S NAP book Store STORAGE IRA. Whatever space from UNC? Three percent of the people at the Columbine uses ethics account. I I hope he didn't. I hope they didn't intervene more than like thirty. Three people for that. 'cause like if one person has jason's Trowbridge is a cow. I'm doing the math there. One by by thirty three. But it's more that I feel bad for Sturbridge but me Jake. We were out there collecting quotes. We got all kinds of quotes from prospects on what it would be like to be a Kansas City chief. And you're going to find all of those and all the ones we were able to collect to the senior bowl in the Casey draft guide which we are full force working on right. Now it's been it's been crazy behind the seeds. I'm if you if you WANNA preorder the draft guide it releases April six you can go to gum dot co slash. Casey draft guide. Twenty twenty. Promo Code L. I. V. Will Get it to you for eight dollars and fifty four cents to celebrate Super Bowl fifty four We've got so much stuff in. I'm so amped for this thing to release but we got a little work to do before that we got plenty of draft prospects to talk about here as well and what we WANNA do since the first first show after the combine. What we thought we would do is. We're going to go position by position and pick one player whose whose performance in the combine and leading up to this process has affected the chiefs draft position. You what what? They can do what they're able to do you know in certain rounds and whatnot so we're GONNA go ahead and go You know position by position. We'll bring in Matt later for some. We'll bring in Craig a little bit later for some. But we're going to start with Jacob at quarterback and the reason I want you know mentioned Jacobsen. Is I think. All cheese fans are wanting more quarterbacks to go in the first round. You know you've got the four. That are pretty pretty near locks. You've got you know you've got borough you've got to you got Herber and you've got Jordan love. Those guys are pretty good locks to go in the first round there's been talk about Jacobsen maybe creeping into that first round conversation maybe being drafted ahead of the chiefs helped push more talent on the board but jake. It's not feeling based on some of the vibes the performance of the of of eastern at the combine. Some of the things you hear behind the scenes with his interviews that he really did much to help his draft stock. And Yeah you're right and every year it seems like there's a quarterback that's kind of in that conversation of like the last guy that might slip into the first round and I honestly feel like it is teams light Kansas City. You're in those last those kind of those later round guys that want someone to fall that kind of fuel and stoke those fires little bit to talk about the East might slip in there. Have you heard about this eastern kid? And he's pretty. You Might WanNa take him at pick twenty nine and so. I don't think I don't think he's GonNa make it into the first round this year. I think you have really four guys in eastern kind of fit guy. I think there are going to be four guys that go before pick thirty two for sure. I don't think eastern will be the fifth one especially with especially with these guys moving around and free agency like Bridgewater's free agent. Brady might be moving. Philip rivers might be moving so there might be teams that are less willing to take a huge homerun swing on a development of prospect like eastern in the first round Like you said I think the buzz about e Santa. Combine was pretty much confirmed everything we knew about him. I heard he did really well in as far as like in meetings and stuff on the weeks back to that we know. He's got a huge arm. We expected that What what he really could have done to help himself. As tested better But unfortunately for him he kind of tested like we we thought he what he's kind of statue pocket passer guy with a huge arm. And that's that's what he is And I don't know if teams really want that high right Running back Clyde Edwards Hilar- out of Lsu a guy that you if you've been listening to US talk last couple of months were very you know high on I think. What's interesting about clydes Edwards hilarious? He was actually if you look at his relative athletic score which is an athletic testing metric that we use for the Casey draft guide to help us kind of formulate our opinions on athletic profiles. He had one of the worst. Athletic profiles of the running backs in the draft. Class are in the combine group. he was twenty second With his athletic profile and Kinda underwhelmed a little bit ran a four. Six forty had some good jumps. You know a good thirty nine inch vertical and a good broad jump didn't run the agility. Is I think some people are probably curious. Why but I wonder you know. I don't know if Edwards Hilar- helped himself immensely which I think interesting. Because maybe that gives the chiefs opportunity to get value with Clyde Edwards Hilar- on Day to Jake. He's another guy to surprise anybody with his testing his agility are going to be big That'll help his. Ras His relative athletic score quite a bit. Like I don't think he was expected to be a guy that teams expected to be shot out of a cannon and so and he wasn't in the forty yard dash and and you kind of see that on tape too long speeds. Not really there. He's more of the short. Kinda make you miss a phone booth type guy so his his agility is going to be big because I think if he has good agility he's going to be right firmly back in that second round conversation But if he doesn't that's going to be big for him because his 'cause he's our escort is is really bad not below average. It's average great. It was below average. By what want from a guy. That's five seven. You know again. It's already on the short end of the stick there so His is going to be big but as it stands right now. Yeah he's he could be there later chief that they're interested in someone like him. I hope to League over thinks that I really do and I think I hope you know if there's a tiebreaker. They're going with better athletic profiles because I would love Clyde Edwards Hilar- in Kansas City. If they can find him at a good value I don't I don't even even sixty three. I don't know if I feel great about but we'll see Even though I think he's worth the sixty third pick in the draft. You know broadly but I just I don't want to take that approach teams are going to over. Think because that was kind of pushback right away when he ran. Is this anything that nobody that nobody didn't expect. But like I said agility is going to be king here with him. Yup I a wide receiver. Who I think we've even suggested possibly being in the mix for the chiefs in day to at is Denzel. Mims out of Baylor and good on Denzil Mims for having an outstanding you know performance at six two two six foot two two hundred seven pounds. He ran a four three eight forty with thirty eight and a half inch for sixteen reps on the bench. One hundred thirty one inch broad six point six six second three cone four point four three seconds short shuttle outstanding performance from Denzel names. And I don't think there's any chance now Jake Batman's is going to be available to the chiefs at pick. Sixty three. Probably not mims really had a good process to. He had really good week at the senior bowl on. He's the guy that that I still do back to. The tape in his grade for me has steadily increased There are still some deficiencies in his game that I thought watching him at Baylor But then he comes out and plays really well he was he was kind of the. Darling of the senior bowl week and then he probably is one of the top three biggest winners from the combine as well so yeah I think you're right. I don't think he's going to be there Late second round at all. I think you're talking. His his ceiling might be thirty. Two Green Bay. Honestly you seen him mock. They're now recently. I I think that might be a little rich for him. But he's definitely put himself in that conversation in this loaded receiver class. We we gotta go talk to talk about the tight end position now and it doesn't seem like a a ton of dudes really separated in the south from that tight end group but one of the things we wanted to talk about and kind of. Notat. I'M GONNA try to try the pronounce this. It's a Missouri product tied in Alberto Kuwait. Burnham I think I got it someone put the pronunciation. Guide in the rundown. Thank you jake. I was gonNA write you out. I was like yeah. That's definitely the pronunciation. But yeah affectionately known is Albert. Oh and he is someone that I don't think tiny if tight end was or is the chiefs draft plans. You might be a guy sitting there on day. Three of the chiefs were interested in so I guess how that could affect them is just because he he ran so dang fast and he might have kind of put himself in position to go maybe a little bit earlier than the chiefs or willing to take him because of the cheese back and watch the film. It's I use you. Actually you know what you see. Four five ish guy on tape if he's running in a straight line but I think there's a reason that's all he did is also combine was run the forty then he just shut it down the rest of the process. Smart good on him because I think he's not a guy that can move laterally very well. I think I think I said this and the today because I just watched him today and I said if if there was a definition of linear athlete in the dictionary it would be a picture of Albert Oh Kuwait Bonham. What a job there by you. Jacob. We're GONNA take a break and we will be back to talk to Matt Lane about the offensive and defensive line right after this. Hello this is Jesse David Fox. I'm senior editor at vulture and I host the podcast. Good one podcast about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian comedy writer or director. We listen to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with a pin in the head and physically write down everything I just has not my style turns out comedians. Take Jokes Pretty Seriously. All jokes okay. That's what I do. That's what I live where there's really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you sort of learn from this? What was your takeaway? I nothing guy and I'm not. I'm not a curse. Good one from vulture and the box media podcast network. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcast APP. Do not use the pockets. After I'll let great question Jesse David Fox all right. We are continuing on. We are now addressing the offensive and defensive lines with our DEAR PAL. Find Him on twitter at chief in Carolina Mattie Lane. How are you my friend? Do Good it's nice to be here with both of you guys since you guys went gallivanting off on your own to the combine. Invite Your Eyes. So now we're back all together as a group and it just it just feels right gallivanting. Yeah there was lots of gallivanting. Good word yes. I know what that word means totally Let's go ahead. Mattie wha what I WanNa do talk let's talk about the tackles the interior offensive line and defensive line prospects that that helped their situation in how or hurt their situation how it affects the chiefs draft. So we're going to start on the offensive tackle. Ezra Cleveland out of Boise State. Mattie you were mad last week that we did it. Mock enough tackles in to the first round of our mock draft well. Cleveland is announcing his presence. With authority he could be like seven tackle taken in this draft and he might wind up all the way into the first round. Kit was smarter you to get ahead of Tirade about our lack of offensive tackle going in the top ten. But we'll leave that. David's control as clearly had four top eleven as reclaim atop succeed. As Cleveland was one of the most athletic combine performances. You have seen often to tackle just about ever right up there rivaling. What Colt Miller did a couple years ago? And if editor members Colt Miller ended up going in the top half of the first round based purely on this athletic upside. I don't think as Cleveland's GONNA give himself up that high end of the draft class. I don't think the offense of tackled classes a whole week is it was that year. But he's definitely pushed his name Almost top fifty locked in the thing is his fill on. The field is good. He's very steady very technical. He is a good player. The athleticism shows just not elite level athleticism and for the chiefs. This is great news. Get this guy off the board before thirty to push somebody else down. They don't need an offensive tackle. That bad right now if somebody wants to jump up grab the top thirty six anything. Nope that's I don't as real yet. He's so this is going to be completely from like Someone who hasn't watched him and just heard about him but wasn't it like before the combine people were talking about him playing guard right and now he he tested so my question is what on his tape. Lead you to believe that he potentially might be guard. This athleticism that show up on tape. I I don't know if I understood the guard talk either. I don't think he looked like he was the longest offensive tackle. So if your whole reason was the arm length argument to go to guard. I make sense to me. It's functional strength is my biggest question so I think putting him inside were probably made that a little bit worse. I liked him to tackle. I just thought that he was steady and solid. Nothing splashy dynamic. Now I did find out coming from the combine. He played all year with turf toe injury that may have made a little bit of impact. He said that it didn't really get reported because he just had to play through it but he said that he play all season on turf toe injury that could impact them. I thought he looked like a good athlete. It's just I don't know what the whole thing that was holding his tape was. I need to go back and watch two thousand eighteen tape to see if that injury hampered of more than I thought I did and I need to watch him too because the packers actually speaking of before the cheese the packers actually have very similar needs to the chiefs in this draft class. Especially when you look at that inside linebacker position Looking for a team. That might take someone that could be there for the chiefs. That thirty two But a guy like Ezra Cleveland watching what happens with Brian Balogh if he leaves that skyrockets offensive tackle to a huge need for green bay. So a guy like Ezra going thirty overall Green Bay could really really be something that could really helped chiefs out at thirty two especially if that knocks back like a candidate. Murray or Patrick Queen the the hit rate on offensive LINEMAN TO RUN SUB. Four point five. Short shuttles is very high as re Cleveland. I believe is the only person in this class to hit that threshold. I let's move to the interior offense of line now and a guy that we got to see it the senior Bowl Matt Hennessy. At a temple. He really helped himself along this week to Mattie yeah and Matt Hennessy like you said after the Senior Bowl. His stock was already on the way up. I think more people got to see him. They gotta see how fluid of a movie was. He was essentially. I think what everyone thought Nick. Harris was going to be a very athletic zones. Probably Zone scheme only interior offense but he has a good enough anchor good enough base general baseline size that he can play in the NFL. You have questions about that guys like cares Matt. Hennessy came out to the combine. Not only did he move very well. He still ran a five one eight forty time. He had good three Cohn at seven. Four five the shuttle's four point six he had a good performance but where he released it out wasn't the drills. Once they got out to the field work you could tell that he moved at a different way in a different way than some of these other interior offensive. Line Guys Matt His. He's probably going in the top sixty four at this point in time now and if the cheese want him. This is a popular mock draft pick for chiefs fans in the third round going through this whole process. You know you're taking him in the second round if you want Matt Matt. Nfc maybe even earlier. Yeah if you want if you want him it's gotTA BE PICKED. Sixty four It there's just there's no doubt about it in the interesting thing is second best short shuttle on the day For the offense of Lyman was Matt. Hennessy didn't meet that four point five threshold but it certainly was the second best performance of the week. Yeah Do you have anything? Jake not really Just that just basically Dako and kind of piggyback off Matty said It looks like that. Sixty four pick is kind of the sweet spot. I think for a lot of these into your offensive linemen and I think that's headed up by medecine. I think you've gotta grab the reins of kind of that second tier interior of wine tight. So that's probably If they're gonNA net snap them up that's probably what's going to be. Yeah I just wanted to add. I think Cesar Ruiz is still very clear number. One Interior offensive linemen. Especially if you're looking at center. I don't think he did anything to hurt his stock. He moved very well too but mad. Hennessy's probably gotta be centered number two right now and if you're looking at interior offensive lineman as a whole. He's gotTa be there in the second tier with a couple often tackles guys that are kicking into guard so if you want. Interior Offensive Lineman Matt. I'm even sure you can wait till sixty four if you're going after a Senate because after him. Caesar there's a big drop off at center if that's your plan. They're still guys like Keith. Ishmail that you can get to. Maybe a Lloyd cushenberry some of those guys but they might even be pushed down like maybe closer to that third round ranges. Well artless closed this out Mattie with defensive Lineman Neville Gallimore out of Oklahoma so the first to have kind of been guys that may be helped the chiefs by pushing some other guys down with Matt Hennessy. We talked about how they might have to take him a little bit earlier before. Nedal Gal APPs I think he was a guy that a lot of people saw that could slip into the first round based on some freakish athleticism and that showed up at his forty time Iranian blazing fast forty one of the better ones for defensive tackle. I've got a ton of But then he ran the agility drills. Didn't do explosive testing which was strange given his athleticism but after the four seven nine forty he ran almost eight second three. He ran over five second twenty shuttle. Those are bad numbers for a smaller. Athletic Pass Rushing defensive. Tackle a don't think there's going to be a big urgency to take him in the first round you kick out that third defence of tackled. It was fighting to get into the first round position that she's probably aren't looking as heavily. That just puts another player. Hopefully just a trade out for Cleveland. But that just puts another player to A position the chiefs may need going in the top thirty one picks and I love. I love big NABS tape He was graded. How for me? Really well and we ran that forty. You're like oh my goodness here goes like here comes the and then it was like I mean just fell off a cliff which is weird right to count it not to go off on a tangent but like these numbers. Were really interesting this year. The combine and there's been a lot of buzz about guys standing around all day like what's going on With these guys have to run and wait now or do something else So I'm not sure if nev is someone that is going to be able to rebound at his pro day but produce in general this year. I feel like we're going to be a lot more interesting to pay attention to just because I think there's a lot of guys out there that weren't pleased with their combine performances and maybe weren't pleased with the setup of the NFL combine And they're looking to rebound and I never gallimore is one of those guys that could potentially be In that boat. We've we've got one of those guys that's definitely going to have to re to re-test when we talked to Craig but no. I totally agree with everything. You guys have said so. Far the one other thing I just wanted to ever gallimore. I don't think the process insanity season has gone great for the senior bowl. He was good but he was gung nearly a step below Johnson while he was he was in the next group of guys down. He didn't stand out anymore out. Marlon Davidson was better than his one. Day strawbridge was just as going. He did not impress at the senior bowl he had the same issues. He flashed on Cape at the senior bowl. He was kind of a one move guy that struggled the transition moves together if this athletic testing sticks bottom six percent Thailand. Three cone bottom two percentile in twenty yard shuttle. If that's the that's probably why he can't count. He literally placed too out of Control to change direction in the middle of a play right. That might be a warning signs yet. You can kiss that first round hype for him goodbye. In my opinion after the combine unless something changes with Oklahoma pro-death that is chief in Carolina. Mattie lane thanks for joining us but thanks for having me on guests. That's senior beautiful faces again. We move on from one handsome man to talk to another find him on twitter at Barley. Hop Craig. Stoute's thank you for taking a little bit of time out of a hectic life that you live right now to talk some draft prospects with us. When are we introducing the other handsome? Man There's gotta be somebody else coming along. It's not me is Jake Jake's here Jake Jake. Jake is here. This is here never. I've never played with that big of a chip on my shoulder. You Know He. Kenny will kiss. His favorite player. Is the C-. The Central Michigan version of? Jj Watt. That was a walk on Hashtag adversity. Have you seen the new subway commercials with the Walker brothers? No I have not Jimmy. Wilkerson them as well. He shouldn't be. I mean he's he's basically he's he's basically a JJ watt cloned but not nearly as good in not as interesting. Okay let's go ahead and continue to talk about the edge position though we've got a another player to talk about that His his performance affects the chiefs. Aj Epa Nisa. The edge out of Iowa has had better days. Let's just say that He tested very poorly at the At the NFL. Combine kind of alarming. Honestly how bad it was. But what does that mean Jake or what does that mean Craig. Sorry it probably means that. He's going to fall to thirty two to the chiefs now. Eighty has very good player. Matty wrote an article about him. A this doesn't change my desire to add a Japan ESA to this team. Him across from Frank Clark would give cheese one of the better edged tandems in the NFL. But it's really concerning how poor of a combine he really had. He had a five point. Four Second Forty Yard Dash. That's awful but potentially even worse is the fact that he had a five point. Oh four second shuttle as well just a completely awful performance. All around wasn't explosive. He wasn't fast as not necessarily his games. It's not something to be super concerned about but the NFL is definitely going to raise an eyebrow at that his inch was poor to seventeen. Reps doesn't really have strength didn't show strength. It's just one of those things that I think. That a Lotta. Nfl teams are going to really question what Aj up really is but he might fall to the bottom of the first round now. Yeah and it's interesting too because we talked about him in the like a month ago as potential guy that would be a dream scenario pick for Kansas City and it used to be the joke is like what would you do at the EPA ESA. Was there at three to like. We'll I'd sprint car to the front you know and it's not it shouldn't really be any different now. Like he did not test. Well I think you try to dig into that a little bit but if you go back to the tape like this is a very good football player Bats especially in that four three scheme that the chiefs Deploy like I think he could really really be a good fit there. And that is a pig as a team as a fan of a team not the Kansas City chiefs. That would be a pick. Were I think the rest of US would be like arms up like really? Nfl You let this happen like you let this happen. They went and got stuff like that at thirty two so I think that that's something that I think you'd really be exciting for Kansas City. As as someone who values athletic testing at the edge physician? I don't care I don't care. Aj epion Nessa. His tape is probably top. Twenty maybe even a little bit better than that. Obviously there are some concerns with the athletic testing. Maybe this isn't a guy that he's going to go to the combat or go to his pro day test a little bit better. You know up his stock a little bit. He had an underwhelming poor athletic profile for Relative Athletics Score The good news for him though is regardless his three cone is still seven. Tenths of a second faster than Jaylen Ferguson. You just couldn't let that go ever see. Here's the thing is like I last year. I was team like not no athletic testing. Are you have you have to be good? Athletic Tester. That's what I value. This one's a little bit different especially since I've seen like I've got a year experience watching more stiff. More LINEAR EDGE PLAYERS HAVE SUCCESS IT. Steve spagnuolo schemes. Because like I used to hate stiff Pass rushers but now. I don't care as much as half now it's been super bowl. They've won it is one of freaking super bowl is weird though because athletic testing does matter at that one hundred percent massively so we're saying AJ is an exception to he's an outlier. He's an outlier. I ate Jalen. Ferguson was dying out later he was a bum. You know he he had more more collegiate. Career Saxon. Aj did but yeah. But that doesn't get you anywhere linebacker. Let's move on their Malik. Hairston out of the Ohio State University in Craig. It's a guy who got to see at the senior bowl. He might have helped his draft stock. A little bit this week though. I think he hoped that significantly watching the college football playoffs Maliki Harrison had arguably his best game of the year against Clinton he actually looked pretty good coverage he looked good reading between the tackles. He's a smart player. And I always thought that I just thought that he was pretty limited athletically against Clemson. He looked a little better than we got to see him mobile and frankly he looked awful. He look stiff he. He looked like he was having a process too much. He took a big step back in my mind in that regard but then he comes out of the combine and he tests through the roof for his size. He was almost two hundred fifty pounds. So Steve Spagnolo you know is listening immediately. Runs a four six six explosive and had a six point? Eight three three come time. That's really good for linebackers. That's it was the best. It was the best in the group best in the group and they had some freaky athletic players now. Some of those guys didn't do him. Kim Murray didn't do it Isaiah. Simmons didn't do that but he was the best of the group. That tested Honestly I think what you're probably looking at as a player that's closer to what we saw in that Clinton tape and then you would just kind of go from there. And if that's the case Melik Harrison should be high on people's radar. Jake what you think. Sorry I was taking a nap. Outside linebackers yes. Oh well they don't matter. I don't know why you're talking about Medicare sin the chiefs just won a super bowl with dudes that are going to be moving boxes for. Ups in two years. Why do you care usually talking about my son? Reggie Ragland like that plane. Put Matt up there at inside linebacker. You'll still win a super bowl. They're fine they don't need to. They don't need to invest anything anything. Top One hundred in that position I tend to agree with you. There's a couple of players that might tempt me on day two. Let's just let's just leave it at that. Melito really I would. I would rather do score one hundred take receiver at that pick. Instead of Jason Jake The packers needed inside linebacker. I don't want one. I'll take him. I'd rather have I honestly. I would play anybody that I really don't think it matters. I don't WanNa pay Blake Martinez. Ten million dollars. I don't WanNa pay anybody any money. GimMe a rookie. GimMe someone out there. That has some speed. I don't I really don't care I it's not gonNA be a difference. No team is one inside. Linebacker away from winning a super bowl. I'm sorry he's not wrong. Sorry one look at the. I mean good. Lord that she the chiefs who have maybe the worst linebackers in the league. Just beat the team. That maybe has the best. You're not wrong there. Patrick mahomes though all right. Let's be one cornerback white. You're not a linebacker away. Your quarterback away. She's she's there. Don't waste Pat. Pat Can't throw a touchdown to an inside linebacker. Boy He can but he hasn't yet and he never will because pat doesn't throw enough pick sixes for that to matter cornerback. We're going to move on. And we got a poor one out for our Guy Cameron Dancer from Mississippi State Craig because he really hurt himself this week. He arguably hurt himself worse than any player at the combine. We talked about how effortless camera chancellor speed was. We talked about how he was a slight guy. You guys mentioned that you stood in front of him at the combine. Ed He was small. I-i-in was really thin. I just think he he needed a bulk up a little bit for the combine which he may have done but in doing that. He was one of the slowest linebackers. That was our backs cornerbacks. That he was like baggers. He ran like a linebacker and he wasn't explosive like there was so much that camera dancer should have been able to blow away. This event is set up for him to show up and impress because he's that kind of athlete and he just didn't and then on top of that. He came in with shorter than expected arms. Done tire week went about us poorly could for him. He went from God. That was a fringe round one guidance. Maybe around three or day. Three guy we'll just have to see how this shakes out but you're GONNA have a lot of NFL teams. That aren't going to want to touch him. Just because you've got questions about work ethic you've got questions about his overall athletic profile. They're just a lot of questions about camera dancer. Now Yeah I have no. I have no thoughts and opinions on Cam. Dancer other than looking at him live he is. He's he is it's startling. How skinny he is. He made the comment to me when I was talking to him. that he's like you only competitor. I don't care if I lay a hundred and fifty five pounds under go out there and compete like he specifically said a hundred and fifty five pounds. Why that number? Why that number? Because have you played that number on my goodness. I mean He. He's he disappeared behind the MIC stand. He's a very it's it's it's really concerning for me because you see Camden. So he shows up at one hundred eighty eight pounds and he runs terribly and he does not look like the same kind of athlete. You saw on the football field. How much weight did he put on? For this? What was he playing at at Mississippi state was born fifty five pounds of us. Even if you split the difference hundred seventy like that. That's not gonNA work. That will not work he. He really hurt himself in. I you know a couple things. I don't want people to think that we're just dismissing players. Because of their athletic testing but this is one of those benchmarks and this is one of those key pieces of the puzzle for cornerback that really matters. Long speed matters. If you've run a four six or higher you have a two percent chance of being a functional. Nfl cornerback. Not I'll a high level. One a functional one if you run a four six four or higher. You're basically done the shot. Bruin is one of the only guys that has run that high. That actually became a functional. Nfl cornerback and this is over the course of a decade when the game has gotten faster and faster and faster every year bourgeois. Berlin is still clinging onto that. But this isn't a situation where that number is okay. Even if you've got safety help over the top you cannot be that slow and function in the NFL. Especially to be so slight. Just it's yeah if you're a heavy guy that's just gonNA precedent and he wants to press very physical and all that but he's just if you weigh one hundred and eighty eight pound. You're going to get bodied right. All right last one safety Jeremy Chin out a southern Illinois. Did he put on a show? Craig ooh buddy. Yeah we talked about one. Thornhill was a Freak Tester last year which he was Jeremy Chin basically had more or less one thorn hills numbers only two inches taller. Twenty pounds heavier like he is built like a linebacker. He six three to twenty one and he moved ridiculously effortlessly. You see it on his tape. Is Clicking close his ability to transition from shallow to deep it's just effortless and he was playing against the level of competition. That frankly wasn't that good. We got to see him in mobile. We got to see that he is the part he can. He can match up with all these guys at this level and then he goes to the combine and he just out does them in every single category. Jeremy Chen may have been going pretty high beforehandbut putting all these numbers on the board. He's going to go super high. I maybe early round two at this point even with that level of competition. It's hard to ignore what you can do with a chess piece that athletic. It's he's like you know there's this year and he's like the anti this year who. I really liked out of Delaware because I thought Nasir's tape was was better than Jeremy Chains. But then he came to the senior bowl didn't really play that well and then he went to the combine. Didn't really test that well. And so Jerry. Chain is kind of the opposite so these. Sds guys it's tough. That process is so huge for them and him coming out and just absolutely dominating it he's a guy that's really interesting for me. I think like another guy you can tone that range it was like the Kyle Duggar as well that big freak lower level guy that and I think Duggar gets a lot of talk but I think Jimmy Chin probably is a better football. I think I'd take Chin over Doug Right now if you ask me and one of the funny things Maddie Maddie throughout the idea. The other day were just spitballing. He threw out the idea of playing Jeremy Corner because I mean from a testing perspective. I mean it doesn't it doesn't it. Wouldn't it wouldn't hurt to try. I mean especially with the guy with that length with those ball skills with that athleticism with that physicality. I don't know I don't know if I hate. That IDEA. Tried to move. Jeremy Ching the corner. It might be a little bit of a stretch. I'd like to see what is what is agility is look like man. I don't know if I hate that idea. All right. That is going to do it for this episode of the draft show. We'll be back eighty laboratory on Monday.

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: A weekend edition for your enjoyment

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: A weekend edition for your enjoyment

"Podcast listeners. We are amazing avenue. The espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris McShane and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue audio the show. We try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts. And let's go. Mets blue giant fans will welcome to a magician. Alta Valentine podcast here on the radio. I'm your host. Ed Valentine this show is coming to you on Saturday April fourth as we give you a a weekend edition of the Valentine's views podcast here to help. Keep you were entertained as you're Dealing with the quarantine shelter in place. Whatever you WANNA call it with the With the virus going on as we all try to try to stay safe. And as they say flatten the curve with the with the cove in nineteen virus. Couple of things for you on today's show we'll be talking to Mike. Sando of the athletic about a variety of. Nfl topics will also have an interview for you with Temple. Wide Receiver. Isaiah right. Who is hoping to hear his name called a little bit later on this month in the twenty twenty NFL draft couple of reminders. About things. You'll find it big blue view giants fans we're in the middle of our big blue view community mock draft. We're going through the first thirty. Six picks in the draft to thirty sixth pick of courses the second pick for the giants in the draft fourth pick overall in round two will go right through those first. Thirty six picks were putting up a poll for each pick allowing community members to to choose the player that each of the NFL's thirty two teams will draft. So if you're not participating hopefully you're at least following along to see how that draft unfolds. Were also giving you. We recently posted positional rankings on both offense and Defense Chris Slum. Our primary draft analyst in combination with with a couple of other writers on our staff has put those together. Who Hope that hope that you've seen knows hope that that you're taking advantage of all of that knowledge in Enjoying our draft coverage which also has included prospect profiles tracking mock drafts from around the from around the Internet and also in in recent days. We've had the opportunity to get on some conference calls with several of the veteran free agent players that the giants have signed. Hopefully you've seen the the stories that we've been able to generate coming out of those as we get to know a little bit more about some of the new players that will be joining your giants for the Twenty Twenty Season. Alright without any further ado. Let's get to the first of our two interviews that one will be with the athletics. Mike Sando giants fans. I'm joined now by Mike. Sando of the athletic as we continue covering the NFL off season. Getting you ready for the draft trying to let you know what's going on here as As we approach the NFL OTA's which we're not gonNA have an in all of all of that that's going on with the NFL. So Mike how are you know very well? Under the circumstances grateful for the health of our families good and You know as we spoke a little bit before we started here if you're covering the NFL free agency sort of went on. So we've we've had a little bit of a diversion here that I think's been welcome for a lot of people you know. It's just sort of get your mind lost in some of this other stuff that's not as You can be depressed over move giants made but it's nothing compared to you know what's really going on. That is very true. At least something in our lives has been normal and that's been the NFL free agency period in the lead up to the draft. Not that there's going to be anything normal about the draft itself. Yeah remains to be seen how they're going to do that. But I think I think you can't be done. I think I think that can be done and it feels like okay to do it right now. Now it's fluid situation and heck we don't know what the country is. GonNa look like a week but Right now I think most people would probably welcome the draft. I I think you're right there. Now Adam schefter sort of ranted. The other day that he didn't think under circumstances that the that the draft should go forward toward the end of this month on it. Sounds like you feel like that's an okay thing to do you know. Obviously they're GONNA do it without fans and all that but that's as close to business as usual as as we can get an and you're okay with the with the NFL. Going forward with that. You know I am right now. Winfrey and she started so free and she started on. What March Eighteenth maybe it was a Wednesday and on Monday was the first day of the tampering period. I remember Sitting down at my desk and we were hearing Brady this and what what was going to happen. That first day I felt like this doesn't feel right. I just felt with everything that was going on. What are we doing talking about Sports it just seemed like not appropriate. Almost you know given the gravity of everything that's going on and then heck two days later. I'm you know Brazilian thinking through whether How BRADY WAS GONNA fit in Tampa I sorta got. I can do it a little bit and so I think everybody is entitled to their opinion. And your everyone's GonNa maybe feel a little different to it. I didn't hear what Adam said. I mean. Adam's been a friend of mine for twenty years. I don't know what his thinking is. Maybe he would convince me otherwise And I think to the closer you are to having someone affected or you know. Maybe if you're even in New York which I'm not. It may feel like the wrong thing to do so Certainly open to hearing case against it but right now I sort of feel like the free agency. You know Maybe they can do this. Yes sure it's you know it's one of those things. I think you're absolutely right. Everyone's experience in everyone's feeling is going to be different. But there's also part of me as as a guy covering the NFL who's thankful for the normalcy. You know something something that we're used to talking about that. We still get to talk about. We still get to do every day. Yeah and you know one of the interesting parts to me is The Fan feedback is generally been that that. I've heard you know as we were sort of right. You know we still. We kicked this off. I'm sure you're doing similar sorts of things but it was like know a move gets done and me or someone. I work with writes a great or a report. Quick Report on what we think of it or will you know well. How does the guy fit and I was prepared for the fans to be like? What are you doing? You know you can't be doing this. This is an important and instead the feedback I did get was like. Hey thanks for still doing this. You know it's nice to have something going on we can think about besides You know all the bad stuff so that's kind of where I'm at. I think that's something that by from used to hit the fan reaction. Yeah same here. I think that's what we're getting at. Big Blue View is thank you for providing US football content. You know something something normal so so. Let's let's actually throw out a normal. Nfl draft question. A lot of what you do with the Athletic. A lot of what? You've always centers around quarterbacks and now with the giants sitting at number four. They're obviously not in the quarterback market. But you're the sort of pivot point in the actual draft for the giants might be at number two where the Washington redskins are are expected to take chase young. The Edge rusher from Ohio state. But there's chatter. There's rumors there are mock drafts where the redskins either take to attack. Vilo out of Alabama or make a trade with maybe Miami for the dolphins to take two from from what you understand the way you see this right now. Is that mostly smoke or could there really is something to that okay? It's probably probably mostly smoke. I would think just just looking at the you know. The redskins could have got a new coach. Who's a big time? Defensive Guy? Rodney played for the plate for the frequent eighty. Five bears right. I mean you don't get much of a defense of guy than Than Ron Rivera. So I would think that You know you have this. I don't know if generationals too strong of a word but righteous young people think special player defensively. So they've already drafted Duane Haskins. They traded for Kyle Allen who knows their offense I would think unless they just amazingly. Thank the two or one of these guys. Is this completely life-changing which I don't get the feeling most teams do I think they'll go that route they can sell the pick and somebody comes in? Maybe but it sounds to me like chase. Young is just too much of a of a special talent to screw around with right. Just just take them and move on. Seems like the most likely scenario Mike. You're just you're just crushing the dreams of segment of of the giants fan base. That is still praying to the football. Gods that chase young as their at four. Yeah wouldn't it be great? I mean my goodness I mean get them. Pull a hamstring. I guess he wouldn't even have to run to do it now. Zoom you just hope that the technology be working so that your Internet doesn't go out get them trying to make the make the pick right. I mean it would be in the first five seconds of the pick Oh my God oh my God I just don't see him I. I don't see them being there at four. I mean come on. I mean then the it would take them right. You know what I mean. I mean someone's taken him. Obviously right I I hear you know one of the one of the guys who who works with you. At the Athletic Jay Glazer who says as well connected as as as anybody in this business in his mailbag the other day he wrote that you mentioned gettleman and he wrote that in his view from from what he understands. This is a make or break year for Dave. Gentlemen in terms of getting this right in with the giants this year and it sort of a twofold question. The first part of that is do you agree and the second part of that is. Should the expectation should the way? The giants season gets judged be looked at differently. You know if if there is no off season if the regular season gets delayed if training camp is not normal or or is it just the bottom line business. And if they don't succeed he's out the door. I'd probably ladder you know. I don't think those those other things are things everyone else has to deal with too. So then you get into the comparative thing you know what will happen is someone will have a great draft. Somebody will have a great season unexpectedly and everyone else. The other owners will look at bad team and say. Hey why can't why could we be that team the did grade? You know what I mean so That's probably where C. J. J. HECK. He's been around the giants forever when he said he thought. Odell Beckham betrayed people laughed Janus. It doesn't say stuff isn't just like wing it. So if Jay Saint something about the giants I mean who do you trust more than Jay? Right I mean Jay's not one of these guys is on twitter saying thousand things in a day the things he says Usually pretty much take him to the bank there. I WanNa bug Jas Phone Jack. I'll tell you how great jay is I mean he? He has such relationships with people in part because he's not in the business having to break everything and tell everything he knows the minute he gets it right so did he just has an amazing trust built up with people and I remember one time Several years ago I I must selected for the pro football hall of fame and so I was With Cortez Kennedy the time. Because he was going to be going to the hall of fame and I covered them and Cortez and I were going into the steakhouse somewhere And we're going to have a nice dinner and we went in there and there was sort of this back section and Cortez knows everybody says he just pulled my arm and we kinda went behind this curtain and in the back. Glazer's sitting one on one of the table with an NFL head coach. Probably a normal day for him. You know that's how connected he is with With with every he's probably having lunch or dinner with the head coach right now. There you go. It's it it's not normal for most of us but you're absolutely right. I think Jay's been doing this so long that when when he put something out there there's there's something behind it so So yeah so. We'll see what happens with cattleman and the giants and all what. I what I know is for two years. I've sort of pointed at this off season for the giants as they finally had some cap space. They have extra draft picks even though they gave up. You know the one for Leonard Williams in the third round. I've always kinda looked at this like at some point. You have to turn the corner and start looking like you're getting better and for me. The twenty twenty season was always that. Yeah I agree I mean. I think it's reasonable to expect some growth of the team of the quarterback and just feeling good about it and that translates in some way or another to to win some games so what they're nine and twenty three twenty eight percent wind since cattlemans been the GM believe so right. You gotta be trying to better than that you got to be. You can't have another year where you're taking the top five there you go. I think that that'll make they'll make giants fans crazy. And you know just just for once Mike just for once. It's been so long since I've covered a good team. We yeah give me a break and I sort of feel like I would err on the side of giving people more time. So but and so. What Gentleman's head? What two years is that? You're so really. He should get longer than three years. I mean just in a perfect world he should probably get four or five years. I think the the flip on that is You know he's made a number of moves that were highly. Sorta questioned right and Not just by one or two people but just seemed to go against the consensus of what people thought was a good way to do it. Which is absolutely fine. If you're right and these things don't come to haunt you so I think there's probably a little bit more of a more to prove right for him than it was someone else. He had just been Delta horrific hand as opposed to moving on from Beckham. Or you know doing the things that he sort of had to write. Hey Mike let's talk about a couple of other sort of big picture. Nfl questions it looks at this point like it would be surprising if NFL teams had anything resembling an off season. Is it your sense at this point that that we're not GONNA see? Nfl teams get together on you doing any sort of fashion until training camp. If even at that point I think a possibility that they could agree to. Maybe have something later than the normal. Like there's usually some June minicamps. May I think that could be a possibility that maybe they get stuff going in June? Change the schedule but it does feel to me like we're GONNA get pinched on that. I'm act I'm not a doctor. I I even the doctors what they're talking about don't know the full projection but I think it's GonNa be a while and again we you know we're we're not doctors but I didn't know if you if you had any sense of I think looks like the NFL. They haven't released their schedule yet. But they're saying that they want to plan a regular sixteen game schedule starting on time. I think even that's in question at this point. How about you? Yeah everyone was talking about. Would there be a seventeen game season? Maybe there's a ten game season you know I. I don't know I think I think all the cards on the table in terms of With they're going to do because they don't know how long they don't know how long the limitations are GonNa go. I mean kid to do this. You're going to need ninety players together in a locker room with whatever one hundred support people that work in your building and yet to feel good about being able to do that. So if that's not allowed then you can't even have games without a without fans right right So that's what I'm looking at sort of hoping for all of us way beyond a football you know world viewpoint that you know whatever there's a vaccine or there's there's something that allows people to resume life as soon as possible until that happens. There can't be a season they can't even get the players together. Let alone the fans right you. You can maybe learn your playbook and have meetings over zoom but you certainly can't play football that way. Yeah Yep so. I think we're all waiting in the meantime we're covering free agency and and you know the schedule comes out. I'm sure we'll analyze it and Those are the things that we really doing a little bit of normalcy in a crazy crazy scary time. Hey Mike thank you very very much for For spending some time with me. Why don't you Tell folks where they can find your work on twitter and all that stuff before I let you go. Yes Sir yeah thanks Sando. Nfl My twitter handle and of course the athletic Right now we have a three month. Three trial for Subscribers which is really unusual tagged go. I think to go that long but it's just a reflection of what's going on. You know. We want as many people reading as possible and we understand that You know people probably aren't signing up for new things to pay for right now so could be a good chance to read some great content twelve thousand words if you can believe that piece today looking at everyone's free agency so you can check that out. Twelve thousand words raising good. Lord your team so you can go to your team and read five hundred words there you go. That's that's that's what most people will probably do. I know I'm going to. I'm going to scoot right over to the athletic and check out what you wrote about the giants if you wrote bad things. I'm going to send those sorts of nasty notes. You can smash me absolutely okay. All right thanks Mike. Take care all right. Lots of interesting stuff there from Mike. Sando of the athletic. Let's take a quick break here for a word from our espy nation sponsors. When we come back I'll play for you an interview that I did with temple wide receiver Isaiah right giants fans. I'm joined now by. Nfl draft hopeful. Is there right wide receiver from temple as we look forward to the two thousand twenty. Nfl Draft Isaiah. Thank you very much for joining the show. Hey So you. If I'm not mistaken you did not get a combine. Invite correct not were you. Were you hoping for wanted? You expect to get one surprised that you didn't get one You know just just thoughts on that Yeah I was expecting one and I. I was more hopeful. I didn't know what to expect. But you know things are still going well so. I wasn't really discourage our kind of is point right so you you did get a chance to participate in the East West Shrine game and from everything that I read and everything that I that I heard That went pretty well for you. Just described that experience. And you know who you got to talk to their and and you know how you feel like that helped you You know going toward the draft or you know I got to go and compete with some guys that you know were the same caliber talent and it was just a good experience just to you know. Learn from a lot of people like other players like I was down there learning in talking to you. Know other coaches and scouts and you know they were just telling me to be myself doing it and to enjoy it and sometimes what you need because a Lotta Times you know when you have prices you you you kinda over. Thinks he's sometimes you just need to calm down. I guess I've never been in that situation but I would guess that it's it's easy to forget that it's it's a once in a lifetime experience and that That I guess you should take it all in and enjoy it while you're in the middle of it exactly sometimes you when you're in is hard to savor the moment sometimes. I have to come back to that reality so that we can do so. Have you Out of curiosity. My site covers the New York giants. Have you spoken with the giants at all? Yeah we'll continue the conversation You know we're just going to say know. Go ahead go ahead. You're talking about the giants so go ahead now just I- conversations with the giants. You know very hope. I don't know you just you experience in a good opportunity and I was grateful. Good good Can you if I was to ask you your what about six to two twenty. Correct your third. And you've been used you've been used as a as a punt and kick returner as a wide receiver as a running back If I was to ask you to give me a scouting report you know on what you would be bringing to an NFL team What would you say I would say I would be bringing This you know The ability to adapt I'll be bringing the versatile consistent talent and You know somebody that's willing to do whatever they have to do to you know. Learn and look and you know there are some guys in the NFL. Now guy like Like deebo Samuel. Got A lot of attention this past year for for being able to do a lot of different things. Cordeiro Patterson has has made a career out of you know being a wide receiver being a a running back being a kick returner. I think time Montgomery's done some of that. Do you see yourself as that sort of a versatile sort of offensive weapon more than I'm a wide receiver or or on the Kicker Turner or whatever I see myself as someone. Is You know versatile in the sense of where needed I can play that position. You know a lot of times people wanna just play specific position and you know I always had a love game where I just wanted to be on sale. Whether that was being returned kick return ours. You know what I'm saying. I just write loved their feeling of being on a suit and jubilant and the possibility of making a big place so however eat on the field was however starting to get on the field right so so you talk about you know we. We mentioned the fact earlier. That didn't get an invite to the combine so D- feel like in the fact that you're not able to to run a traditional pro day that the with the with the virus going around. Nfl teams are shut. Down and scouts aren't traveling has that. Does that hurt you at all? Or how are you dealing with? You know trying to get your name out there and get your film out there for NFL teams at this point. I think kind of was going on right now and you know the Korean and everything is just kind of suing us. How we should have faith over fear and I've been allowed any of that discourage me you know. I put the work in and I know you know. I know what I can bring to a team and I'm just hoping that you know someone else. Would I feel like I see and like I said I'm from girl? Allow myself to be overwhelmed with things that I can't control. Have you been able to you know since the shutdown have you been able to talk to any any? Nfl teams or or anyone from from you know NFL offices. At all. I know some. There's no go ahead. I'm sorry I talked to a couple of teams not talk to a couple of guys you know and they were just having to not allow these times to discourage me because I found you know and people recognize my talents so again I say I just contained to grind and allow my. I allow myself to have faith in times. They're trying right now call. Hey before I let you go. I have to ask you about one of your teammates. Guy Who I know. Giants fans are interested in Guy Who probably is looked at as maybe a day to prospect. I wanted to ask you about About your thoughts on on Matt Hennessy. And you know what kind of teammate he is and what kind of NFL PLAYER. You'd think he might be. Will you know Matt Hennessy? That's the type of guys that you know is gonNA come in. He's going to work done. No He's not there to play You know when you're trying to accomplish in his mind and Matt I mean so you know I'm excited to see is going to bring you know and is saying but the giants. I think you should be excited to get somebody to that hard working at the tournament and I've seen that'd be retailing. Degree fit all right Isaiah. Thank you very very much for spending a few minutes with me. Appreciate that best of luck to you. Hopefully hopefully you'll hear your name called in the draft later this month and if not hopefully you'll land somewhere with an opportunity to make a roster Valentine line I appreciate you because another five gas. They'll talk to you. Thank you thank you. That's our show for today. Giants fans as always. Thank you for listening. Stay safe out there and we'll talk to you soon. Bye Bye hi. I'm Brian and I'm one of the hosts of the Amazing Avenue Network of podcasts. Each week day we bring you a different podcast. That covers the New York mets a different perspective every Monday. You can hear me Steve along with Cannon Lucas on from complex cleans where we discussed the mets minor league system. Every Tuesday an unforgivable. Join me rubble as I look back on the career of a less heralded MITT. Hi. I'm Alison and along with Maggie and Linda Pot of their own each week. We look at all things. Mets and social justice issues in baseball. I'm Chris and you can catch Brian me chatting about the current state of the mets on Amazing Avenue Audio show every Thursday and on Fridays. We Have Amazing Avenue in conversation where I talk with interesting people about the New York mets. So check out the Amazing Avenue family of PODCASTS. You can get us on apple podcasts. Spotify stitcher or your Of Choice and as always. Let's go mets.

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The Chris and Joe Show Mailbag: Best Centers, Day 2 Tackles, and Darius Slayton

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20:26 min | 8 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show Mailbag: Best Centers, Day 2 Tackles, and Darius Slayton

"Podcast listeners. We are amazing avenue. The espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris McShane and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue audio the show. We try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts. And let's go mets. Welcome back to the Kristen Joe. Show presented to you by SP nation and Biglou view on. Jodi Leone joined by Chris. Slum bringing you our mailbag edition of the Chris and Joe. Show here to provide you with answers to your. Nfl draft related questions as you may know early on in the week he trains into focusing solely on the NFL. Traffic TWO BILLION. And give you as much information on prospects teams around the giants. All the things that you need to know about so when the when the first pick in on April twenty third you know exactly what you need to and when the giants are up you know who they can potentially take so today. We have five questions that we are going to answer before we get to them. I do want to allude to the fact that we're always willing to take questions this week. We had five really really good ones some questions. We did not take because some were a bit reoccurring so we decided to shy away from answering the same questions over and over again but if you ever have any questions you can always shoot us a DM to our personal accounts You can send it to me at Jodi Leone or Chris at Raptor M K. I had one person send me their question that way. And I was very pleasantly surprised and I was glad that somebody heated our advice for incentives directly to us but you can also send it into our email account big blue view at G MAIL DOT COM. So our first question is one that. I'm sure a lot of people are asking right now and it's very important for us to answer this question This questions from Andrew Shock in his question is any chance that the draft still gets postponed. Well from what we've seen Chris. There's not really much of a chance of that happening the NFL in the offices at the NFL has an also Roger. Goodell have made it very clear that they are not going to postpone. Thinks they're going to have to adjust prepare and be ready to do things differently yet the NFL really isn't going to want to do anything that interferes with their calendar and interferes with really their income because the draft has become a huge television event. They have tons of AD space sold. And they're going to do everything they can to avoid impacting that we've we've seen some ideas pitch that you may be spread it out to make it easier on teams with a personnel working remotely and that might come to pass but I don't think it's likely that the NFL actually postpones the draft so people can basically all rupe in one area so they can have prospects they are end team representatives. They EARN FANS. They are basically have the draft as we have come to know it. I I don't see them postponing it so that could happen but what I do see. Is that really having teams work remotely because really everything that goes on in the draft can be done remotely. If late night shows are still going on with webcams zoom in that sort of thing and everybody basically piecing it together from their own separate homes the NFL can do the same thing with the draft yet. My best guess in from what I've read and seen from various major sources that they're saying it's going to be some type of a studio show how they're going to go about it and how they're going to do it. My best guess is there probably would do it in the Culver City studio that they have for. Nfl Network and they'd probably keep it very small in tight knit probably just on NFL network because they likely would not want to production teams in one small studio. But I don't think there'll be any issues with the broadcast. I think team teams might have a bit of a difficult time if they can't get into their war rooms and do all that stuff but if you think about it and I think one of the best phrases that I have ever heard in terms of how things work with professional football and the NFL. And I heard it from former special teams coordinator Gary's honor who said at a Camp I was at. He said that you have to be able to improvise and adapt. So when things don't work out well you have to be able to react to those things and find the next best solution so all these teams will. Some are a bit disgruntled. It's not gonna go that they the way they want it to. They still will be able to. They should be able to improvise. Adapt and be able to React to what's going on the other thing that we've seen though which I think is a bit of an interesting option Adam. Schefter put out there into the The void that there's a possibility in and it would be interesting option to spread out the draft over seven days so instead of doing the three days you do around a day it breaks things up. It gives teams a little bit more time because they're a bit more spread out. It allows everyone to get situated in. Also it's extra entertainment because right now we have nothing else to watch and we're all looking forward to the NFL draft because that's the only form of entertainment that is live sports related an incoming up. Yeah I have to say that would also make life a lot easier for us because it would give us more time to react digest produced content for everybody listening and reading so I I would be entirely in favor of that and it would also make life a lot easier for the rest of the media ecosystem who might not be used to working remotely. Yeah not everyone is one hundred percent use to it. So like you said It might help in everyone's favor to spread things out. Give people a little bit more time to be situated so our next question. That we have from biff Larkin. He is asking about the center's in this year's draft class. He says there are six centers in this draft class would start for the giants and should be a big upgrade. What do you think so we pulled to our big board collaborative list and we were only able to come up with five guys that we really think are going to be starters in this league and have high upside and can contribute and the bottom one at the very analyst? Nick Harris. Who's a bit of a question mark because of some of the issues? He showed at the senior bowl. But the list that we had with Caesar Ways Lloyd cushenberry the Third Matt Hennessy Tyler. Bionic like I said Nick Harris all the guys that we've been really pushing as options for the center position. Yeah for the giants specifically I would probably look most closely at. We is cushenberry and the Amish. Just because Jason Garrett has always gone back to power man gap schemes on the offensive line. That's what he initially installed when he became the cowboys offense coordinator and ever since he kind of gave up the offensive coordinator job. The team has still constantly consistently gravitated back to a man gap scheme even when they were having great success with a zone blocking scheme wants the offensive coordinator change. They pretty much just went right back to man gap. So that's what I am more or less expecting to see from the next year and I would look at the bigger more powerful centers like res Cushenberry and I would absolutely love to see the giants draft. And he one of them somewhere in the first three rounds. All them are great options for fixing the giants center issues. I think that day to range is really perfect for getting a guy that can step in and start and when we put together this collaborative list. We found it kind of funny that we're putting together and it was so center heavy at the top that we had five guys and then it was guards in that very rarely will happen. There's years where you have Clinton Nelson and Brandon Scherf who are top ten players and their drafted the play guard for your team. Well in this case it's very center. Heavy have to take advantage of the fact that there are all those options taking at least one of them will be very crucial for improving the offensive line for the giants. I honestly think that there's plenty of opportunities for them to do so on that day too. Maybe very early on day. Three around four depending on if someone slides our next question is from Edwin Gomer. Who has sent in a ton of questions to us over the past month or so? His question is a very interesting one. If you recall recently the Dallas Cowboys signed former. Pass rusher who's been out of the League for Multiple Years Alden Smith now. He had some off the field issues. Now he's back so his question is with the cowboys. Signing old and Smith should the giants under the new. Cba rules those rules that allow for more flexible testing for marijuana use and also no more suspensions but rather finds for it take a look at a guy like Martavis Bryant if he's in football shape and gets reinstated they have a big neat wide receiver. Bryant has was electric and healthy and could be a low cost low risk option. So I'm going to say Chris. I think this is a very interesting idea. And I think that the fact that the CBI has changed the landscape for marijuana related suspensions that it opens things up for someone like Martavis Bryant or Josh Gordon to come and play for the giants and like he said low cost low risk. Low cost low risk. Because it's not gonNA COST THEM. Probably a tunnel probably approve it. Type deal probably a one year deal and if it works out. He'll be a huge contributor and Josiah's kind of familiar with Josh Gordon. Because he was there. When Gordon was with the Patriots. Yeah that would be a really interesting move for the giants and one I would not be opposed to. I think the question is whether or not John Mara would be opposed to it because even though guys might not be getting suspended anymore he pretty much years ago. Lay down the law and said no red flags when it comes to the draft and the giants have typically ever since then gotten for guys who are high character players. They want guys who are going to be leaders in the locker room and while. I'm not going to say that marijuana use has anything to do with your character it especially not in my eyes. Even though I don't partake I don't care if anyone else does either but John Mara might and that I think is where the hang up would be personally. I would say yes. Bring Martavis Ryan in for a look as soon as we are able to bring Josh. Gordon toured look also I would bring will hill back in for a look because the giants also have that need at free safety and we know we'll hill can play that so with the. Cpa changed. I I would like it if that opened up opportunities for guys it really should open up more opportunities because the red flags for teams that we're trying to be cautious was because they didn't want to have a guy on the roster that was going to end up being suspended for four to six games or even full season so now that those suspensions are gone. It's really just a matter. Of if Dave gettleman wants to remain old school in his in his thinking and not really mess around with guys they're going to be racking up fines for dumb stuff like that like marijuana usage. It's really based on what cattleman decides but I think it is a very interesting option to explore because the giants are in desperate need of receivers but someone like that would very much improve the receiver group and add a little bit of extra a boost to that position group. We've got two more questions but before we get to them we're gonNA take a very short commercial break our next question from parent. I nine another guy who keeps sending us tons of great questions. His question is who is the most underrated offensive? Tackle to pick in round two. So we'll give you a couple of guys here. I think one who more specifically if he slides out of the first round that could be a viable option in round two early on at that fourth pick. Is Josh Jones from Huston Now? There's not really a great chance of that happening because are always going to be higher on. Offensive tackles in left tackles in particular but if he does slide that for. I think someone like Josh. Jones is a great option. As of right now it hasn't dropped on on the site yet. But you just did czar scouting report on Josh Jones. And he is a very intriguing prospect at least from what I've seen. It doesn't look like he has the consistency yet but he definitely has the tools to start for my money. If we're talking underrated guys I keep coming back to Matt peered. Jim Nagy Director Senior Bowl. He has compared furic on multiple occasions to the British off Ferguson. Personally for me I see quite a bit of with will beatty in him but either way just a really good size athletic tackle prospect yet. He has played both left and right tackle he really just needs to build up some place strength and I think he does definitely have starting upside. I think either one of those guys. If Jones happens to fall out of the first or maybe the giants could kind of take pick out of left field and get peer to or if they happen to trade back and acquire a second second round pick that that could be ideal either a couple other interesting options to I think maybe Austin Jackson from USC could be In play there as well. There's not as many talented guys in the second round but elect the question asks. There are some underrated players. I think pure definitely fits that threshold in that mold of underrated. He's coming from a smaller. Division One FBI PROGRAM. That's not really notable for producing great talent and they've been very much underperforming over the last few years but pert has been a bright spot for them and. I think that he could be a really good option. If hypothetically the giants don't go tackle in decide to go with someone like Isaiah Simmons or other defensive players depending on who's on the board so if if they don't take that guy that can potentially get somebody early on in round to our. Last question is from Rob Leonard. His question is there's a lot of speculation that dirtiest could become the giants wide receiver. One do you guys see this happening. I honestly would not be surprised if Darius Leighton continued to grow and improve N. became the number one wide receiver on the roster. That's depending on if the giants who they draft if they draft any receivers but I think that Slayton has a lot of upside. And we're not really at that full ceiling of what he can really hit yet. I'm not saying he's going to be a dominant force for the giants over the next decade. He has a lot of potential. He looked really good spots when he was healthy and on the field he was a Goto option for Daniel Jones. So seeing what he was able to do as being a a A deep threat for the giants offense. I think Slayton could work out very well especially under the new offense. It's going to be implemented with Jason Garrett. I'm not going to hang a number one wide receiver on him I. I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way because I like slate and I think he like you. I think he has a ton of upside. He's really just scratching the surface of what he could could potentially be but he does also had issues he needs to work on. He needs to get more consistent at the catch point. He needs to get a lot better at creating separation. I think in terms of sterling shepherd will be the giants best receiver next year. Assuming he is able to stay healthy and with concussions in all of that. That is absolutely a question. Mark Fingers crossed. Hopefully that is behind him and he will be able to stay healthy because brain injuries are scary but I do believe shepherd will continue to be the giants best most consistent receiver. I personally see Slayton as being a very high wide receiver. Three of of really good one. That is not a slight because Mario Manningham made a ton of plays as a very good wide receiver. Three Miles Austin was huge for the cowboys. Offense as a very good wide receiver. Three and I absolutely see slayton growing into that role for the giants. I'm not going to say he's going to become a true wide receiver one light. God Julio Jones or Amari Cooper or one of those guys who who commands double teams and can beat them consistently then you put it best there in acknowledging that he's not really gonna hit that or not that he won't hit that but there's not as much of a likelihood that he hits that true wide receiver one mold of being an elite starter. That's always going to be the best receiver on a team or he's going to be the best receiver on this team. But you still can get a ton of production out of Darius Layton using him as your third receiver or if he steps up ahead of Golden Tate and is your second receiver depending on where you put him. It's not so much about where he is on the depth chart how he's on how he's placed on the field. How the giants offense uses them. How Daniel Jones likes to use him? He has a lot of potential. We're going to have to see what actually ends up happening with him. But he's a guy that we've talked up very positively after a very strong rookie year. That's all we have for today's show. Thank you for Tuning in folks. Be Sure to subscribe wherever you're listening to us and also follow us on social media. You can follow us at Big Blue View. You can also follow me. Jody Leone and you can fall Chris at Rafter M. K. I will be coming back next week with more. Nfl draft content for to stay tuned for more draft talk. Hi I'm Brian. And I'm one of the hosts of the Amazing Avenue Network of podcasts. Each week day we bring you a different podcast. That covers the New York mets from a different perspective every Monday. You could hear me Steve. Along with Ken. Lucas on from complex. Soclean's where we discussed the mets minor league system. Every Tuesday an unforgettable. Join me rubble that they look back on the career of a less heralded minute. Hi. I'm Alison and along with Maggie and Linda. I host a pot of their own each week. We look at all things. Mets and social justice issues in baseball. I'm Chris and you can catch Brian me chatting about the current state of the mets on Amazing Avenue Audio. This show every Thursday and on Fridays. We Have Amazing Avenue in conversation where I talked with interesting people about the New York mets. So check out the Amazing Avenue family of PODCASTS. You can get us on apple podcasts. 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All 32 - Atlanta Falcons: How Dan Quinn can save his job plus Todd Gurley expectations with D. Orlando Ledbetter (Football 6/18)

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19:16 min | 6 months ago

All 32 - Atlanta Falcons: How Dan Quinn can save his job plus Todd Gurley expectations with D. Orlando Ledbetter (Football 6/18)

"The! Everyone to pick six podcast. This is John. Breached I'm the host seat today because we'll. Brinson is taking the week off to get. His hair plugs fix? Who knows how that's going to turn out. Let's hope he looks better when he gets back because he was looking pretty scraggly here. In mid June now even though burns out, we are still continuing with our off thirty two series and today that means we're gonNA. Be Talking about the Atlanta Falcons and join me to talk falcons. Football is none other than the legend himself. The most dapper man in NFL sports coverage wears a Bowtie everywhere, and that man is d Orlando better of the. The Atlanta Journal Constitution Duet. Thanks for joining us John Thanks for having me on a pick six pack half looking forward, talking with you about them Atlanta Falcons football. Hey, how're things going for you right now? It's totally chaotic times. What if your past couple of months been like a pretty bizarre just try to maintain the level of normalcy From home. We're allowed to do that. We had to do the draft you know then the off season program. The faculty were great and setting up a virtual media. Call that help us write our store students time. It's been able to reach out to some people that are normally. You wouldn't have time to Brian. Cox Micron Manual Chris Sale Fo and did to do some features that go along with regular coverage, so they've been able to keep us busy and working in a normal normal as we could, while staying at home and You know trying to make out of here, could and all that. I feel you man I've been through much to get one this weekend. But you know you've been working from home, but it's still pretty busy offseason for you. We've had. The Falcons made a couple big trays. They brought in. Hayden hers. Some one of those deals, aside Todd Gurley. That's something everyone's been talking about. which kind of does the fact that they also signed Fowler, but we are not going to start with those things. We're going to start with coach Dan Quinn. It seems like he is kind of on the hot seat going into the season. What do you think he needs to do to keep his job this year? I think he's got to return to the playoffs. He's coming up to seven nine. One tender, Super Bowl blue that got back to the playoffs, and was on the one yard line at Philly as they favored, and couldn't punch it in in Philly, goes on to win the super bowl, but ever since then things took a downward turn here in Atlanta in in eighteen, there were a lot of injuries then last year. That just didn't put it back together. went one and seven and six and two, so yeah, he's squarely on. The hot seat got return to the playoffs in new. Tougher in a few south that has Tom Brady down in Tampere. Now Yeah for those that don't know Dan coins contract runs through. The twenty twenty two season of it as saying here, he needs to get to the playoffs. Do you think if the Falcons do not make the playoffs? Let's say they go eight. You think he's not returning. If they go eight, he won't be Yeah I. Don't believe he would be returning at eight hundred eight, unless it's one of those eight. Nate's where you get one of the new. Wildcard spot, but even that not be enough to save it. They need and make a run now. You mentioned that six to stretch the one in seven stretch. They started the season in two, thousand, nine, hundred, one seven. They finished the second half of the season at six and two. They beat the saints. They beat the forty niners. Do you think we're going to see more of the team? Had that awesome second half of the stretch. That team started one in seven last season They're putting a lot of docking that six to things that seem to in. Of those against Cao Allen and the panthers they did go out and beat the forty niners on a last second play out there, and they go down and beat the saints Which you know was? told the POOPER GIG wins. Stuff carried over like that. I just felt you know, too. Many variables talion gone the going block better all over suddenly I mean. Girls should be better. The freemen at running back you know. They got to carry it over, and they got tougher schedule. So you know it's not a real role. The outlook for the Falcons right now and you mentioned Todd Gurley there. He is one and this is apparently everyone just been talking about all off season the fact that. When the Falcons in the proper personnel on. They might have eleven. First round picks out there now. Of course, that doesn't mean anything. If these first round picks are any good anymore, so how good you think this offense can be with girly in it now and just overall. I've got a girl. He can give them some pop in the running game, and and this line built around box you need James Carpenter to to to have a flashback, or maybe the rookie Nancy can can hold up at left guard got a second year. Right Guard and Chris Lindstrom and then second year. Right Tackle Kayla mcgarry. A Lot, you know you gotta count on if they can't run the Bala, people there play action pass and don't work so running the buzz. All data started setting a run. Weather girly Edo Smith Brian. Brian Hill or Quadri Alison. Somebody's got moved the ball on the ground for this offense to work, and then once they do that Matt. Ryan can do a sing Spread the ball around. That's that's been their best formula for Success Doing Matt Ryan Time. Here's the had that big running back whether it's my concern or Devante Freeman and a couple of years he had but whoever it is got to run the ball I gotta show. That can do that before you can start talking about Julio Calvin. Ridley Hey hers, and all the the weapons that they seem to have a math, and you're obviously emphasizing here. How important it is for the Falcons to be able to run the ball. girly can have a big impact on the falcons. Offense has kind of the buzz. With inside. Down and felt flowery branch so far this off season. Burden Been Great. They really liked the JAGS. A desire to WANNA be here. You know they don't really know how much they lean on them, but they don't think that they have to. They don't think you know as the day and time where you gotta get the ball to the back. Thirty Times but when you get to him, he's got to be ready to go seventeen touches. He averaged last year is probably where they're gonNA. Try to go with him fifteen to twenty again and spread 'em out and macomb. IMPACTFUL rushes and touches. I think he immediately makes them better in the red zone so I mean the other guy can get to the. The red, then you go to girly and do it. My Dad or you know you open with him. Then go to other guys. Come back to later in the game but yeah, he has the left knee. That's arthritic can't really pound him up in their thirty times a game and you know they just have to be realistic with their expectations, and how they? You are girlie in this offense, yeah, and I think a people just point to that arthritic left the and obviously worry about girly, but this is a guy who is still affecting the Red Zone score twelve rushing touchdowns last season, which is an impressive number for anyone. Let alone someone who had. Carry total kind of taken away because the coaching was worried about the injuries. Now let's talk about the offense here. Let's talk a little bit about the defense. I feel like this is maybe the unit that doesn't get enough attention. Nobody's really been talking about this off season. Even though they've made a lot of moves I, mean not not ever seen Dante Valor gets signs drafting AJ Terrell A. Trade for Charles Harris from Miami. What do you think has been the biggest move? This defense has made this off season well, certainly getting Don Fowler. Took to replace essentially replaced big, Beasley and hopefully ramp up your pass rush so that that's the biggest in the second one under the radar move is drafting Marlon Davidson sect around the big tackles from August you just sent him next to Greg Jarrett, but them both in the air gap, and maybe you got a good little pressure package up the middle in the face of a quarterback so and then that might help follower out coming around the corner so Those two guys are big ones for me getting Fowler and Marlon Davidson. The big kid five star crude out of. Greenville Alabama what Auburn and dinner thing down there much in the shows their ground, but those who picked have the potential of paying off in a big way for their Leonard fell. Yeah, and I think that the falcons absolutely revamped their defense going in the season. This was a team you know. They gave up the twenty third most points in the NFL last season. The twentieth most yards. Do you think just based on what they've done this offseason? Do you think this defense can be good in two thousand twenty? Yeah I think it could be really good at everything worked out We're talking about those guys. I just mentioned they had some veterans come back powered, Davidson and Alan barely very thirty against the run big question. Mark is can tact McKinley. Get home at the other end. some pass rush. Dion Jones is fine at linebacker foyer. Lucon will try to replace the bonds for the bond. Campbell so that I think that's found. They're the big question mark for here. John is the corners. They Jay terrail be able to come in and hold it down Jack in your checking your Guy Kim Sheffield. Can he go outside if you need 'em early He played nickel last year CD. How Steak Kit and then? Isaiah. Struggle some on the right side last year, especially in that one to seven mark came on down the stretch, but you got. cornerbacks are in the first year second year third year in the League and They're going to get tested early and often so Those corners can hold up. You got a shot to have a really good defense. If they don't. Then it's back to the drawing board and there you go back and defensive hopes biggest question mark the secondary cornerbacks a lot. The Falcons can score points, but they're giving up points. It's not easy to win. Games all right tackle de Orlando, ledbetter from the Atlanta Journal. Constitution and we'RE GONNA. Take a quick break and we'll be right back. We'll talk about the Falcons win total. How can they be and a few other things? What's up this? And Simmons and I'm Elliot, and this is the newly formed Barton and bud show if you're looking or recruiting information, College Football Information Coaching analysis how all those things intersect and come together. You're in the right place, and this is the podcast view. This is your chance to eavesdrop on conversations. We have in twenty four seven sports offense every week. You'll never get your podcast. All Right? Welcome back to the pick six podcast once again talking to D-. Orlando Ledbetter of the Atlanta Journal Constitution were to go back to something. You mentioned earlier. You were talking about the offensive line. And basically I wanted to what you think. The biggest position battle is going into the two thousand twenty season. You think it's at cornerback on defense. You think it's somewhere on the offensive line. Do you think it's at backup quarterback? What do you think the biggest position battle is as team you straight ahead? The training camp in about a month and half. Yeah I think the biggest down. Be At lift guard they. drafted Matt Hennessy. Probably be future center Routes Mac. They signed James Carpenter last year, but he got hurt and didn't play as well Jim Brown played a little bit over there so if you can't get that, left guard spot stabilize then you're gonNA have problems in the run game, and then in the interior of Matt Ryan's pocket, so I believe that's GonNa be the biggest position battle heading against the training camp yet. Obviously the offense kind of falls apart. If you have a quarterback, who's getting sacked all the time, and that's exactly what happened to Matt. Ryan. Last year. He was sacked forty eight times. for those of you who do not follow the Falcons every week that was tied for the most in the. The NFL tied with Russell. Wilson Tyler Murray. So that is definitely something has to be fortified for the Falcons. Is that offensive lines? It will definitely be a the watch their now let's get to let's talk about the win total expectations for this team this season in Las Vegas our friends William. Hill have the win total over under at seven and a half so right there. We mentioned the Falcons seventy nine. The past two seasons are looking to be able to top that or they gonna hit it for the third straight season. Dan, quayle gets fired. Who knows? Do you add knows you? Do you think what is the ceiling for this team this season? What do you think? How many wins can they if everything goes right? Everything goes right. They might can get ten wins. And be in the playoff mix as a strong see contenders but you know everything's gotTa break right for them. They've got a lot of people in place that need to step up their games and just you know compete at a high level, so if everything goes according to plan virtual offbeat. They'll have a shot to get the ten, but I understand the seven and eight. It's probably correct on worship. Be heading into the season, but you know good teams still a game here there and get your tim win some kind of way. It's all set up with a parody in the League defeat eight be right in the mid autumn pack and the good thing, somehow figure out a way to jump up out of that pack and snap that playoff berth. Be challenge that'll be facing the falcons in sleep, outside and twenty. Yeah, he mentioned earlier that the schedule is a little bit more difficult. This season appoint one specific part out four of their last five games, so we're talking a week thirteenth through seventeen, they go against drew brees. Then they play out in the west coast against the chargers. Then they play Tom, Brady, Patrick Mahomes and Tom. Brady has there been sense. Is this schedule. Talk when you talk to people that. Wow, this is a brutal brutal schedule for this team. Yeah, yeah, everybody's news! It came out. We spotted. On that and the Oakland is not real. So. you know if they can get to that point and their in contention. Then you gotTA. You gotTA. Chance you know, step up and play some ball and get into the playoffs now. If they're not I, mean think go sideways all the way so It is a difficult scandal thoroughly that back in is very treacherous. there used to implant the saints in the Lake last few years back lowered NFC south schedule I think they played six. Games in the final eight last year, so but you know having Tom Brady in the division on not Tampa Bay Games look a little bit different than with James. Winston, yeah, absolutely falcons got the free gift from James Winston Season Finale, last year that pick six in overtime that James through. And you mentioned the beginning of the schedule of the twenty twenty schedule and the Falcons. Seahawks, they play at the cowboys. The bears! They play at the packers soon. Not really any easy games in there, and because there's not any easy games, let's go the opposite route. Let's look at the ceiling for this team. What if the wheels fall off the wagon? How bad you think things to get four wins five wins. Turn, sideways blow our sports world. I mean you know. They just can't put it together. They can't block and the running game slatting and the young corners fall apart and don't have pass. You know you gotTa look at all of that stuff work in, and then you gotta look at that. Hey, what if none of it works and none of it works I mean it's hard picking up four wins on that schedule. So you know these young they they're young. They they. They added some players who were talented. They were at least first round picks like lachlon trip. Will Charles Harris? Dion Buchanan so you know they have some talent. It's a matter of them together and putting it in a place where they can play and win with the talent so If that doesn't work, then, yeah, go sideways, no question about it. Are, you gonNA. Put you on the spot. Season does not start for three months, and that's assuming it starts time. What is your current prediction? Three months before the season starts for the Falcons win total in twenty twenty. And what do you think they finish in the NFC south? Now without having seen him on the field would I've seen them by now OTA's minicamp normally so without seeing them I got you know not seeing that chemistry, and how the new guys fit and everything I gotta stick with the. Crowd, you know I, it's A. They got a lot of talent. It's tough schedule. I have seen him. Take the snap, but right now eight. Nate and then you know if everything works for him, you can get the two and six eleven five and be in the hunt and the playoffs and there we go and I think that is a fantastic point by the US here that look. As seen any of these teams on the field yet usually get a chance to see rookie spoi- no seen that yet. You have no idea what. The chemistry is our new receivers going to jail with the quarterback or the new players healthy todd Gurley. So. There are a lot of question marks, but that is it we got the Orlando led betters prediction for the twenty twenty season De. Let thank you so much for joining the pick six podcast. To discuss the falcons, you can follow the Orlando on twitter at the Orlando AJC and make sure after you listening to this, you can download subscribe and listen to all our podcast by check out our feet, and make sure you leave a five star review. Tell his predictions awesome. Tell me a better host than Brinton. We love it off and we will talk to you guys in. Sports are slowly starting to come back and nothing personal with David. Samson, we'll have you covered. 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The Chris and Joe Show Mailbag: Safeties, Centers, and more Draft Questions

Big Blue View

25:07 min | 8 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show Mailbag: Safeties, Centers, and more Draft Questions

"Podcast listeners. We are amazing avenue. The espy nation New York mets site. I'm Chris McShane every week. Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue audio the show we try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not. Get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts. And let's go mets. Walk to the Kristen Joe. Show presented you buy espy nation and big blue view. I'm Joe deleo joined by Chris Foam and we are bringing you another mailbag edition of the Chris and Joe. Show answering your questions that you sent into us via our facebook or instagram or twitter wherever you are questions we have them. They're answering them. We've got five great questions that we're going to be answering on today's Joe if you do have. Nfl draft related questions before the comes around. Were officially on the two week mark until the first tickets in on April twenty. Third if you still have questions feel free to send us them at any point in time you can directly. Dm US at Joe De Leon or at Raptor M. K. I you can also tweet and tag us. We've had people do both things. In addition to following US and liking the facebook page sending question through there through the direct message button as well as directly messaging us on Instagram at big underscore Blu underscore view tons of options for you to send questions. If you have any questions at all we are more than happy to answer them. And we've had a lot of varying different questions over this long span of time as we lead up to the anticipation of the NFL draft and today's questions are very unique very fun. Why don't we get right on into our first question from Neil Ken Oven? He has two questions. This is a two parter that we're going to be answering the first question is what are your thoughts on. Chase Klay Pool in the third round. Well in my opinion I think Klay Pool is going to be a really good option for as a receiver in this receiver class. I think the third round as there's a possibility it could be a little bit too high depending on how things shape out and where these receivers start to go if they start flying off the board then I could see clay pull being an option in the third round for the giants but I think he is a very unique receiver prospect but the same time he may not really be with the giants need because they already have a bigger athletic receiver area. Slayton well I think just in. A vacuum as a prospect cluele does really fit. What Dave Gettleman Lobes in a wide receiver? He's got size. He drafted Kelvin Benjamin in the first round back in two thousand fourteen. He drafted a Devin funchess. In the second round. Dave gentleman loves BIG RECEIVERS. He made a point of signing in. Re-signing cody latimer. Who has against since allowed to leave but still and he also at least since becoming. The giants gentleman has shown an affinity towards athletic prospects. He made Lorenzo Carter a target of his. Obviously we saw him fall in quote unquote full. Bloom love with saquon Barkley and chase. Clayborn really does combine both of those things. He is a big receiver but also incredibly athletic. You know he is kind of a Vincent Jackson Type Wide Receiver. Moving a little bit closer to the giants. That debt is something they do need. They do need that. Vince Jackson type receiver to make an air. Coryell offense go now when it comes to this draft. I actually swing kind of the other way. I'm not sure he klay pool is going to reach the giants at the bottom of the third round. Ninety ninth overall. I think there's a distinct possibility. He goes somewhere in the second or at least before the giants get a chance to draft him at the bottom of the third at it would certainly be kind of kick in the if he if the jets draft him with the pick they received for Leonard Williams. But I think that could be the range in which he goes because guys with his size and his athleticism are rare and teams know. You have to invest to get those guys Klay Pool really fits under that threshold of or that mold rather of a guy that has so many athletic traits that teams are probably gonNA overdraft his value. Not Saying that. Henry Rugs overdrafted but it's almost like that situation where rugs might get drafted over some of these other receivers because of that rare athletic ability that he has that rare speed. The teams are going to be seeking help because he has those tools. There is a shot that he could get drafted higher. Like you're saying Chris the other part of the question that Neil had is. What do you think of the wide receiver and safety from Minnesota? So he's referring to Tyler Johnson and Antoine Winfield Junior. We HAVE TALKED UP ANTOINE. Winfield junior numerous times on this show and talking about our favorite defensive prospects. He was one of those guys. A smaller compact safety that can play as a nickel slot corner. Whatever you need him to do move him around. He is relatively versatile despite not being a bigger safety in has some pretty good athletic traits to go along with it as well in terms of Tyler Johnson. He was pretty productive in his time at Minnesota. And this is all pure speculation. But from what I've I've read and I think particularly Matt Miller has been the one who's reported on this. Is that some teams are worried. That Tyler Johnson has some character issues now. I'm not put anything behind that and saying that. I'm validating that statement but I I can say that there are rumors that there's a chance that he could slide a little bit because of those character issues. Yeah you know we have definitely talked up in Winfield a bunch and I will say. He is one of my favorite players in this entire draft to watch. He really reminds me of tyronn. Matthew meets will hill just that ability to be all over the field and be a playmaker when he gets to the ball he just arrived with bad intentions and good. Things happen for his defense. So yeah I definitely love him. I would love to see him. Become a giant as for Tyler. Johnson he is. I think he is a good wide receiver. He isn't the flashiest guy but he does have so savvy to his game that will probably allow him to translate into the NFL with a pretty short learning curve. He's a good route runner. He's got good hands. He should be dependable for an offense now. That is leaving aside any off. Field or character concerns that teams might have and especially with the way. This draft process has been disrupted. That could weigh heavily on teams. If they don't get a chance to actually conduct the real thorough background checks that they normally do you teams if they're not sure about a guy and they haven't been able to find out enough to be comfortable they might just say you know what we'll let some other team roll the dice on him. Yeah and right now. There's really so much room for error because of what we're dealing with not having those private workouts to get to know a prospect better or getting to talk to them as much these days because a majority of them have been canceled. I don't know if off top my head of Minnesota had their day or not. But if if you can't conduct that necessarily background research on a guy and get to know him a little bit better. Those things will typically get squashed pretty easily if you can meet a guy and get to know him and Change Your perspective on him but if there are rumors in those things continue to build up in. There's no way to get rid of them then. Well that could very well hurt tyler. Johnson's draft stock. And the only real person. I've really seen that from could be wrong. If there's more people is Matt Miller who has been reporting that? He's hearing from scouts. That Johnson does have some character and mentality issues when it comes to being a teammate. Our next question from cody case are is if the giants don't draft Isaiah. Simmons is Jeremy Chin a similar prospect. They may look at in the second. Well that's depending on if Jeremy Chin makes it that far. There are some mock drafts. I've seen Jeremy sneaking his way into the first round but I. I don't want to say that. That is a similar prospect just because they play two different positions. Simmons is an outside linebacker with first Tilleke to play safety being edged defender and move around and even cover guys in the slot. Jeremy Chin is a safety that has the versatility to play linebacker. And I know it sounds like I'm saying the same thing here but they're slightly different. They're not the same exact mold but they do have similar athletic make-up's and do have the same base of versatility now if they do not go with Simmons. Hypothetically if Simmons get drafted before the giants in China's still on the board in that early second I would not be opposed to take 'em safety is still a need and you could use them in multiple ways yet. The positions they played for the schools. They played are different. It might be subtle differences at some at some points but it is different not to mention. The level of competition is radically different. Jeremy Tune was not playing against that. Lsu Offensive Buzzsaw or Ohio state in the college football playoffs. Nothing against his team his level of competition. But it's just different. That being said they do have very similar. Traits and chain isn't quite the athlete that Simmons's but he is an exceptional athletes especially for his size. And maybe if Chin had wound up on clemson being coached by Brent Venables maybe he could have played a similar position as Simmons because Simmons does have that background as a defensive back he was originally trying to be recruited by realme at Arkansas and they just didn't really know what to do with a safety his size so he wound up the Clemson. The traits are similar. Ended is possible that with some coaching with some Development Chin could play similar role. The traits do certainly look similar and obviously the level of play is very different. Like you pointed out Kris but I think he could still serve as a very good secondary option like we've talked about previously. I mean we even said he's he's kind of a poor man's Isaiah. Simmons Jeremy Chin is because he has this almost similar athletic build these slightly different. He's not the Isaiah Simmons that you're getting but you can still get a a very very good player in the top of the second because he's coming from the F. C. S. level. And you know he is kind of not the only one in this class which kind of leads us into our next question. Yeah perfect transition. There are next question is from J. B. J. Man Jay on big blue view. His question is one thing people are not talking about is how the safety position in this draft might be the deepest ever and if you consider. Simmons a hybrid linebacker safety than it's ever even better than that but to me. Simmons is not the only prototype guy who might be a window into the future of NFL defenses. Where basically you have linemen and a bunch of guys that are six two and up who can run like cornerbacks in hit like linebacker? Do you think we are not far off from the NFL. Backfield's becoming somewhat position lists with everyone. Just being a defensive back or alignment. Think about think about what you could do. Schematically if you had Simmons Chin Duggar all on the field together so this is a really interesting question and I when I read through it the first time when we put it in our outline it made me think of how the NBA is changing. And if you're not a fan of basketball I'm sorry for using this analogy that it's transitioned to not having various prototypes for every position. But Pretty Much. Every guy is six seven two six ten and they all have very similar skill sets. And it's starting to look like that defensively for some of these teams now. I don't know how long until we actually reached that point but it seems like Smart Defensive. Coordinators are taking is that maybe don't work as well and other defensive schemes but because of how versatile they are physically they can use them in multiple situations and just in general being able to keep all of your guys on the field at once is a huge huge positive for your defense that you don't have to keep subbing guys in and out of packages if you've guys that can cover tight ends and also receivers that linebackers and safeties. Well that makes things so much easier for you guys. That are smart enough to do all that stuff. It makes things a lot smoother and can elevate the level of your defensive play. Yeah absolutely I think that the trend we've kind of been seeing in the NFL over the last couple years longer at the college level the NFL kind of catching up just playing catch up to college as NFL. Offenses are adapting adopting college offensive concepts. So I think we are kind of getting to a place. Where at certain positions on the field we don't really see discrete position. Groupings WITH DISCRETE ARC. Types of your. This is what a Sam linebacker looks like. This is what a will linebacker looks like. This is what a strong safety looks like. This is what a middle linebacker looks like where you can just kind of short guys neatly and then if anybody doesn't fit they just get thrown on special teams. I think we're starting to see really just a spectrum of players where you have guys who might be a little under sized for what used to be a will linebacker but now that spacing speed range coverage ability ability are all getting to be so much more important than they used to be. Smaller guys guys. Who used to be considered twitter's that is now an asset. So a guy. Like Isaiah Simmons or Jeremy Chen or some of the other guys like God troy die as a linebacker. Kyle Duggar these guys. Who are who used to be too big for their position or too small for another position. They they now feel a number of roles and they can be moved around to counter the match ups that in offense is trying to create so the defense has less of a chance of getting caught with its pants down. I don't really think also that we'd ever get to that point where it would be all defensive backs and then just your your your frontline men in on your defense. I think that what will eventually transition to is a prototypical mold just for linebackers a prototypical mold for corners and a prototypical mold for safety's that you can use them in multiple spots you can move them around and safeties will have some crossovers with those linebacker position like what we have with. The the college does a lot of guys that are twitter's in that's the transition we're starting to see but the NFL is that we're starting to see more of the college game coming into the NFL. And that's that's pretty much how it's always been a college game was around before the NFL game. And what has always worked before in the college game as always found its way into the professional game at one point or another. Yeah and it does sometimes take a while because NFL coaches they. There are more than a few of them who know what they know and NFL evaluators. Who Know what they know and they aren't they. They don't really want to change and adapt that readily in there are some who are constantly reevaluating. Bill Belichick is a famous one. Four constantly checking in with college. He keeps up relationships with Nick. Sabin Urban Meyer. A few other college coaches and he really tries to keep his finger on the pulse of the college game so that kind of gives him a view into what kind of players are going to be coming into the NFL and how he can use them best also it really let him know what college offenses are doing to score as many points as possible as efficiently as possible which is another thing that is important in the NFL in kind of a a mentality that we are seeing take the NFL by storm in some college coaches or NFL coaches rather are a bit more stubborn than others and the ones that are four thinking are the ones that have the most success that being why Bill Belichick has had this reign of terror in the NFL. For so long dominance. I guess probably the better word but terror for some teams so I would say definitely terror if you're a patriots fan its dominance if you're not a fan it's considered terror maybe not for the giants but We have two more questions that we're going to answer but before we get to them we're gonNA take a very short commercial break next question from Jay. Barrel one is how far is too far to trade down in the first round? I think we had a similar question. Like dicit one point but I think considering how far would be too far in the situation. You have to take a look at what you're getting now if you were getting somebody. That's completely mortgaging out. Multiple Years Worth of first round picks to move up to four. That's in the twenties. I don't think that would be too far to move. But unless you're not getting a completely lucrative deal I would say probably inside to outside at the very edge of the top fifteen would be too far because you're pulling yourself out of an opportunity to get one of those top tier guys. You can still draft a very good player at the top fifteen range. But you don't want to go any further that you're missing out on more players. Yeah I would say Barring a franchise changing hall you know basically the ability to have multiple first round picks multiple second round picks for the next year or two to drop back to say the roughly twenty range. I would probably put my floor where I'd be comfortable at twelve with the Vegas which is going to sound weird for a long time raiders yet. They have multiple first round picks of the giants could potentially get picked twelve and pick nineteen and they could potentially be looking to trade up for a quarterback you know we don't know we right now. Nobody really knows what could be going through. John GRUDEN's mind. Maybe they are enamored with Isaiah. Simmons WANNA move up for him. And then maybe the giants could trade back in maybe Still be able to get one of those top offense tackles and fill their need at wide receiver. Maybe they could get kvant chasing to be that that edge rusher. They don't really have right now but outside of that I. I'm not sure I would be comfortable trading back to like thirteen fifteen that range. Yeah the that would really put yourself in a difficult situation. If you moved back even further again you'd have to be getting a seriously good deal to move past that fifteen spot like in terms of multiple first round picks in future years to move back that far. But I mean but besides that you really are putting yourself in a position to miss out on some of these top level guys maybe someone sliding and you're willing to take a bet that they slide into that spot for the giants but don't want to move back to miss out on a on a lot of the available talent in the top fifteen. Our last question from Anthony. Del Gino is how high a pick. Do you think the giants should use on a center? We you've talked about centers a lot lately over the past couple of weeks. We add an episode where we discussed our favorite centers we We talked a multiple of our favorite centers. We answered a question about the top centers in the draft class in the last mail bag and I thought this was a very fair question to answer your and how high would do you think that the giants could go. I honestly feel that that early second round pick that the giants have would be a great opportunity for them to draft someone like Cesar Ruiz if he is still available and he's still on the board. I don't think that would be a reach. I think that getting interior guy like him would have an immediate impact. And you need to snag up as many or as early as possible. One of these centers. Otherwise you're gonNA completely miss out and have to take someone that's not as much of a a step in Plato Guy. Yeah I would definitely say thirty six. You know unless the giants are able to Ned a second first round pick in a trade down like we were just talking about. I would definitely say thirty six Cesar Ruiz or Loyd cushenberry. If they are there they would have to be in heavy consideration for that pick. Otherwise I wouldn't want to risk taking one lower than the third round. Pick at ninety nine zero for all at the after that point. It's unlikely you're going to get a guy who is capable of starting really gives the giants the the toolbox. They need in the middle of their defense to kind of solidify the interior to call the protections like they need to be called in to work with the giants guards. I think there is still a chance they could get tyler bodfish a or Matt Hennessy. One of these really starter caliber centers that kind of dominate the top of the interior offensive line draft board. Pass that maybe. They're getting a guy who could develop but the giants don't need a Developmental Center. They need a starter certainly in the giants. Don't have time to mess around with developing someone like you just said they need someone who can maybe not start at an elite level right away can start and then improve and become a at least an above average starter is what they need. They need better performances. Then what they've had over the past few seasons with different guys shifting in and out they need a sense of consistency to solidify the middle of their offensive line. That's going to be at for today's mailbag show. Thank you for. Tuning in folks be sure to rain. Subscribe wherever you are listening to us and also follow us on social media at Big Blue View. You can follow me at Joe. Deleo Info Chris at Raptor M. K. I at the start of next week. We are going to project where we think certain teams will be going in what direction and who they might be taking for the giants and the giants can also be positive in those top five. Hi I'm Brian. I'm one of the hosts of the Amazing Avenue Network of podcasts. Each week day we bring you a different podcast. That covers the New York mets from a different perspective every Monday. You can hear me Steve along with Cannon Lucas on from complex cleans where we discussed the mets minor league system. Every Tuesday an unforgettable. 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Analyzing the Falcons Day 2 and 3 2020 NFL Draft picks

The Falcoholic

56:13 min | 7 months ago

Analyzing the Falcons Day 2 and 3 2020 NFL Draft picks

"This is the tallest podcasts. The official podcast with the Falcons on ESPN nation podcast network in his always. I'm joined by my co host. The one and only Gina Matt Thomas Gene. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Thanks really good. After this draft weekend feels like for once the falcons did not completely side rails. Which is what we're here to talk about and today we're joined by two of our riders to the guys who have helped the site tremendously over the incredibly busy weekend First and foremost Eric Robinson who is one of our draft experts when a guy who has been cranking out content about these young players that are coming into the Falcons Organization. Eric how you doing. I'm doing pretty good excellent and joining him In us is My partner in crime for the post game podcast. And we're talking about the winning. Only Evan Burchfield Evan. How you doing man? I'm doing great I enjoy the lead. The lead up to the draft but the smoke being cleared and we all have to deal with the rumors and stuff has kind of Nice. Oh it's so nice to be out of smokescreen yes season. That's for sure so we've already talked about on the podcast. We talked about our first round pick. Aj trail and we're going to have additional podcasts. In the future diving deeper into each of our draft picks. But today we're going to talk about the guys who were selected in days two and three and that includes rounds two through seven. So for the Falcons. They had a second round pick around pick two picks in the fourth round in a seventh round. Pick so do some trades smoller earlier stuff. That happened They did not have picks in the fifth in six rounds in this draft class But let's start at the very top and that is the round to pick. I think coming into this. Pick a lot of falcons fans myself included. Were Hoping Falcons would spend that pick either at linebacker or on the defensive line either defensive edge defensive tackle sort of interchangeable between the two and what we got was one of those suit. We Got Defensive. Tackle Marlon Davidson Auburn. And let me say he is. Now my favorite Falcons player of all time ever because of the MIT. This man knows how to give quotes. He is loaded with GINA. We had shared some of those quotes in our writers chat and The video of him saying some of the things he did. What are your thoughts on this player? Some of his notable quotes during the combine enduring interviews in just general his fifth for the team. I I yeah I just love the peck. I'm immediately after the pick. A alchoholic reader. A you know fellow falcons fan and a friend who went to Auburn lives in Auburn Lindsay. Crosby he tweeted me that he was just to be a quote machine and so much fun to cover and So then the first thing that I saw was A guy who covers the bucks tweeted a video from the combine where he said that his favorite thing about football is being able to just absolutely destroy people and nobody calls the cops and I was like. Yeah this guy I love him already So I think he's right fed home again in terms of his talent the way that he'll fed into the defense. I think he's a solid addition in. You know you can tell just from seeing some of the post draft video interviews him that he is just beyond thrilled to be a part of this team. I think that he's a very good culture. Fit to so. I'm really excited to see how he it's an on that side of the ball absolutely and Eric from a address standpoint looks like we have one more alchoholic. Riders can be joining us out introduced him just stuck it but from a from a scouting standpoint. You see this player. You've watched his tape. What do you see for Marlon Davidson? Makes you optimistic or pessimistic about his prospects for the future in the team Quickly my dad was a huge Lawrence Taylor fan and he also enjoyed digging Jones as well. So I kinda learn about them at a very early age and ever since learning about them always felt like defenders needs to be a little loose ahead In order for them to actually be something and I'm always around so Marlon Davidson. Not calling him crazy. He's kind of kicking. Pass that the stock on steam as the need for a while. 'cause no I guess I think all you guys can meet a pad pretty much choirboys on. It's not just about the entire Dan Quinn era so now no feels good to have somebody in the locker room this. GonNa say something like Hey. I'm a beaten man and no one's GONNA arrested and we're going to get a win. I loved that From a scheduling standpoint. This he reminds me honestly. He has so many traits. That are very similar. It's a greater you know. He was used everywhere alone. Auburn beef as lie on the stand. Up Edge rusher. That's not he's going to be at the next level. I hope they don't do that because he is definitely be miscast. But from just the you know the Compact frame little bit over three hundred pounds quickness off the ball better a agility than given credit for for a guy his size a I think him in greedy APPA potential to form a nice tag team new on at Interior and and be a force to be reckoned with over the next few years. Awesome joining us a little bit late but not too late Of our other writers at the alchoholic odd non non. Thank you for joining this man. I'm glad to be here. I was actually in earlier. But my My computer was having some problems. I can't blame you. I had the same issue. So I'M GONNA jump to Evan Evan Marlon Davidson your thoughts on the pick. The player the talk all of it. I thought it was a great start to the second day. We definitely I was looking more like thinking. They looked at linebacker. But I mean defensive line is definitely another need is just like it like this is a quote as Gina was mentioned. You know that was another thing he said just one. It's like he said this is a quote from him when they pulled me out of the womb. I was destined for greatness like I wish I had that level of confidence. This dude is going to be an attitude That the Falcons defense needs It seems like they're done with the you know no fence Vic Beasley but they need somebody. Who's going to get more energy out of players and this guy lined up with grady jared on the defensive line Then he got Dante Fowler intact. I I was very excited. My favorite day was day to be honest. So Yeah Yeah I'll tell you it. And obviously he has to prove the field. That is true with every player. But I think all of you have pointed to the fact that he is very vocal his passionate ought to say the least. His quotes are incredibly notable in. I do. It's fair to point out the difference between him and Vic Beasley Vic being credibly sort of you know well composed quiet player. Someone did show a lot of you know. I don't want to say he didn't show passion but he just didn't seem as vocal I think as many fans are mourning interest. Yeah he was kind of boring as a player online Marlon Davidson your thoughts on the round. To pick for the Falcons. I love the pick In all honesty I was tracking the fall of AJ. Vanessa and you know. I was super excited when he was there. On the board We passed on him but Getting Davidson I have no qualms about it. He's someone who who has that kick Who can who can pretty much kick a a guard in the pants. When it comes to the Russian and Dan Quinn said he's going to try and beat him on the inside especially pass rushing downs he. He was a beast last year. He had twelve and a half tackles for loss. Which is the same amount as Derrick Brown whose off famous Auburn teammate? He had seven sacks compared to their browns four last year. And I know that's not something where we're not going to measure the impact of a defensive tackle purely on sax but that that's that's a nice little start to have just to give us some perspective on just how dominant. He was last year even though he was overshadowed by Brown a little bit when it comes to the national media. This will be the best defensive. Tackle that grady jerk will play next Tuesday Terry polling twenty seventeen and I mean. I'm excited about it. I'm excited about the fact. That teams won't be able to just straight double team Greg Jarrett without paying for it. When it comes to Marlon Davidson world when it comes to Dante Fowler intact McKinley off the edge this should this should make the lives of McKinley and Fowler a lot easier as well especially talk McKinley. We know that he's always just not one tick late He he piles up. The pressure is but he. He's always just a split second later. The quarterback now having someone like a Marlon Davidson who who's justice formidable when it comes to pass rushing on the inside as opposed to someone as opposed to our defensive tackles last year who weren't as formidable. That should that that. Should Mitt distract the quarterback? Just a little bit too. Maybe maybe give tax. That's split-second to get to him. So you know I'm excited to see. I'm excited to see the progression of Tacking Dante Valor. This year I think they're they're huge winners when it comes to this Davidson. Pick as well as Grady. Jared to he made he made first team all. Sec honors last year plan next From so now I should say something funny. He's he's sort of flirted with radar in the draft. Talk and pick up and I think everyone on the site was like wait. A who I immediately hit the scout reports. Look at this guy is like Oh my God. How did this guy fly under the radar into the second round like this but to announce point? I was also watching the fall of AJ ECHINACEA in in sort of was thinking. Oh He. He's a no-brainer. Pick here when they picked Davidson. I was like all right. Let's see what's going on with this guy in the more of read about in the more like In clearly he is a a player that has already captured. The attention of Falcons fans in part because he is showing a level of Vocalness that we haven't seen many of our Falcons defensive leaders in past and data is something. I think we've been missing so you know maybe at the level of I'd say the last Falcons defender that. I can remember that really had that. Wow the sort of you know in your face. Type of voice was Dion Sanders who just sort of carried himself on a different level and of course backed up on the field and obviously we want to see what Davis does on the field in the NFL but love this. Purely from the quotes. He's he is going to give us plenty to write about at the alcohol He just has that type of swagger in I love it like I want our players to be trash talking in your face. I want us to be the bad guys for once that hated team that everyone else in the league just despises but that we love because there are boys and that's something we have not had to your point. Our players just haven't been vocal when you have the likes of BIC Beasley dislike lounging in the tunnel as drew brees leads a game winning drive in overtime against us. It's just something that it will be nice to have. It would be nice to be that that hated those bad guys. I get tired of the Falcons beginning like the team get picked on a lot going to get picked on more than the browns ridiculous urinating. Really it's like that your dad nerdy kid in the cafeteria sitting myself as no miss is without alright. I I want something resembling twenty eleven offensive line. I remember with the Harvey Doll when Justin Blalock Todd McClure although those guys I remember leading into the wildcard ground against the giants. They were just complaining about our old line. How it's dirty. How big they talk. I want that but with our entire that I like it all right the next pick. Third Rounder my God. You could not pick a name. Those more Atlanta did this guy. And obviously the Falcons with this pick. I think many people were thinking okay. Linebacker makes a ton of sense potentially safety but they went with position that I think many people had tagged as a you know a potential pick in day two and three and that was four interior offensive line particularly at center and that is the direction the falcons went. They went with Guards Slash Center Hennessy. Hennessy Hennessy Hennessy. At l. come did it is perfect out of temple This guy was ranked as one of the top four or five cents depending on who scouting forty read. There are many people thought he was going to be going around to. In fact I saw some drafts. That thought the Falcons might take him in the second row instead. They got him in around three. So Eric I want to start with you here. I on Hennessy. Whether you think of this pick how do you see him fitting in this year and into the future I I think it's an all out all around solid Hick Innoc- was pretty much on their draft radars and seasonable. You come out to see Him Boston. Interview him there in the also had another meeting with him at combines well so he was on their list fairly early in redraft process. There's really nothing special about match. Innoc- is just a sound technician when it comes to being a blocker There's not a ton of red flags with. There's also what really there are no red flags but there's also nothing that says okay he can be a perennial pro or anything like that is just all around solid. I think this year they're going to give him a shot at guard And Desk Kinda SORTA would I expected them and I don't think I kind of believe that they want either Brown carpenter to win the job. But they're just GONNA let INNOC- compete just for the sake of competition or I think it would be better to kind of just look at him to see as the era parent as center next year to start in two thousand twenty one Which is Great. Because now he can sit here. He can compete for a job if he doesn't get it cool. He can still learn a road map for sixteen games with each and he'll be able to carry the torch mixture. Gina your thoughts on this. Pick the value in getting him in round three. The fact that you know Falcons have someone inclined up for to succeed Alex Mack who is arguably in the last few years of his career. Yeah I I actually love this tech. I've loved the Falcons are not just investing in the line and bringing in potential competition for that guard spot But also that for once. They're thinking ahead about what to do when a player is actually gone the fact that they can bring. Hennessy. And I'll have an opportunity to to learn behind one of the League's best centers. I think that it's just brilliant. And he was a tremendous value to get him in the third round. I just think that this is a this is a really really smart pick. I'm very pleased with it. Odd none thoughts on Hennessy. The future at center and whether or not he can compete at left. Guard this year I think I think we compete at left guard and I think Dan Quinn has no choice but to give him the starting job if he outplays carpenter because Dan Quinn has a lot to lose this year so it will truly be one of those pure competition. Best Player wins. We'RE NOT GONNA look at. Who's making how much money? We're not gonNA look at a homage draft capital invest in someone. It's just GonNa be purely on the field performance. I'm excited I'm excited about that. Ask for the pick itself. It's a tremendous value pick We were looking at him. Possibly as a second round. Pick for the Falcons. Taking the segment had the falcons taking him in the second round. I think we would have been fine with it. Just because he's he's arguably the best in this draft I know. Pf ranked him as the best center in this graph. That's a huge need to fill with a with Alex Mack His his days in Atlanta or a numbered in will need someone to take over. Because if not for this pick the backup centers would have been Sean Harlow in Justin mccray and neither of those guys have any experience at the NFL level playing center. And I truly think Matt Ryan would have died. Had been the center but yet I it's a it's a tremendous opportunity for Hennessy. To be groomed of to learn from one of the best in the business in Alex Mack into takeover next year starting center. And maybe even a few snaps at left guard may even win the. Left Guard position this year. I mean could he possibly be worse than what we got at left guard last year? Yes I think if you're comparing him to James Carpenter Demaim Brown. Matt go no who actually like a lot as a prospect for the future. Think Tennessee is GONNA be in the mix in we'll see. Hopefully it's going to play out. Well Evan any final thoughts on Hennessy and depict in the third round for the Falcons. I mean there's not much more to add that everybody else hasn't said I wanNA take a different take on it though that I find interesting I think we all agree that during the season Dmitrov in Quin like when they kept Austin Hooper in devante Freeman Probably true instead of trading than they were. They weren't looking more towards the future. They were looking more towards the president in saving their jobs. I liked that the Matt Hennessy pick. He could technically you know as when I believe said that. He might competed for left guard. And that's fine if he wins the job but if he doesn't he's a long term hopefully fit for Alex. Mack is done and I think you even if you don't want Dmitrov in Quin to stick around you want your general manager and coach to have long-term goals in I think during the end of last season where they kept all those players instead of trading which they eventually ended up. You know walking or getting released of with tics like this kind of Looking more towards the future and I think you WanNa have that outlook going forward. That's a great point and I think to that point Evan. The many fans were expecting Dmitrov in Quin. And I'M GONNA throw myself in that bucket to sort of All in on this draft class and I think in many ways this draft class is reflective of a GM in coach. That were still forward thinking in thinking about the future of the franchise in this pick. I think was the start of that. So yes fantastic point indefinitely something to keep an eye on because in I think Quinn Dmitrov going to succeed. They can not look at the season as the only season they still have to be responsible with roster with the money and so far. It looks like they've been doing that okay. So before we jump into the picks in round four and round seven. We're GONNA take a quick break. We'll be right back. We're back on Podcast This is David Walker joined by my co host genome Ad Online Thomas in. We've got three of our writers from the alchoholic on E. Kitsch Eric Robinson. Evan Burchfield joining us to talk about the Falcons Day to day. Three picks three rounds two through seven. We've already talked about The round one pick A. J. Trail in the previous podcast. We're talking about the guys. They have now selected. Fill out the rest of this draft class. We talked about at this point in the first half the PODCAST Marlon Davidson Hennessy. Skit into some of these guys that came in a little bit later in this draft class of I in round. Four this one. I think I was a little bit surprised mainly because I had not heard this name before Eric. I think you're the only player that have actually identify. This guy is a potential pick from Falcon so to use or in your fantastic work In identifying these players and they went linebacker in let me first say the position makes a ton of sense. Clearly the Falcons haven't needed linebacker With the lack of depth they had their Devinder Campbell walking free agency signing with the cardinals and they selected out of Fresno State. My Call Walker and I don't know if I mess Curtis First Name. I'm sure one of you will correct me. Thank you for that ahead of time is Mike on like So Eric I'll start with you first because you you actually had watched tape on this guy. You've got a little bit of a feel for what he has to offer. So your thoughts on Walker Fresno State. I my latest mock earlier this month I had walker going in the same round saint. Wow what round hundred nights in a row He's a experienced starter at Fresno state to time for seeing all not wes Honors Past Years last twenty eighteen the estimate for senior deepen spin. Twenty nine hundred. May I seen as a winder? So He's played a different positions in the last few years. Pretty much played awfully linebackers plus Andy Sedan while at St. He's another guy that's just you know he doesn't while you honestly is not the greatest athlete in the world. It's not the fastest you know. He's not gonNA hurdled offensive Lineman left and right and get a sack he just overall solly dawn Fresno state safe. You know these always making towels man. He's everywhere and I'm not talking like he's laying down next to a cow and a tap gets credit for its apple. No he's making the tau in a kind of falls in line pretty much the recipes. Drafting a term of you guys. Who but this drafts is totally different from address about because just about auto players are like multi-year stars not a guide has only been starting for year to literally every player has been a starter for like three years. So this is a veteran lead draft. Which means you know this team. Was You know the Queen Dmitrov was kind of going for guys that are ready to go now not projects and like I said Walker takes a Becky's Linson press conference yesterday? They're going to give him a shot at weakside. Linebacker me personally up. His position is probably strong SAM And he will fill the void left by Andrea Campbell. And he has some similarities to the mantra Campbell's excellent gene. Your thoughts on this. Pick the position in the fourth round the linebacker position. And just how you walker may fit into what the twenty twenty Sorry I was and then I forgot I was needed. My washing machine is super loud. I want to preface this by saying that everything that I know about Michael Walker came from our draft analyst here at the alcoholic but from what I've read of their takes. This sounds like an ideal Dan kind of pick. It's the versatility it's you know. It's the tackling the shirt tackling. Obviously that's something that Quinn places a priority on and so I think that the length is another thing. That's something we talk about. Since Dame Don lanna he's he covets at length in defensive players and so and the ability to cover tight ends. I mean. Think about how many times we've watched tight ends. Just EAT Steve Fence up over the medal and so I think that that's really encouraging so. Yeah again I think you know seems like good value. Seems like he has a lot of attributes that that this team covets on defensive. So I'm excited to see what he can do on your thoughts on Walker whether or not he'll see the field twenty twenty and whether or not you like this. Pick a high definitely think he'll see the field in twenty twenty looking at our linebacker out which doesn't really exist beyond a look in Dion Jones round pick berry very versatile. I can play all over the place in. I think that's one of the reasons why they decided to pull the trigger on him To as opposed to someone like a troy die who I was looking at this big but Walker can play all three linebacker positions reads game very well has good sized The size of is another reason. I think they went out with him over. Die Berry Berry. Short tackler like Eric said and he he's not going to be someone who's GonNa really like who who's. Who's going to? Wow you again like Eric said but he someone who's going to get the job done and that's something that the Falcons desperately needed. They had to come out of this rock with another linebacker to start in. I'm still not completely sure about the linebacker doubt Beyond the three starters. I'd still like for them. No possible look at a veteran linebacker after a post June one. When does drew money comes off the books but I. I'm not I cannot complain at all about getting a linebacker in the fourth round it was desperately needed and I think Walker is GonNa be. He's GonNa play a lot in twenty twenty. Judging by what the depth chart looks like right now. Excellent hope so Evan any final thoughts on Walker The use of that fourth round pick on linebacker fit for the team etc Like you and Gina said. I really didn't know who he was. Basically just read up on what everybody on Alcoholic Dot Com was saying From our other writers in I mean it was a need. We knew we had to address some time going into the draft I thought it would be alot earlier. But in Hindsight. I love how it turned out He sounds like he's GonNa fit right in Yes I'm excited about it Mainly because I like who we got a head of him so that it for fourth round value if he lives up to what everybody's all the good stuff they said about him You know he can be pretty good steal. I think it's encouraging that we didn't draft another linebacker L. Lsu display queer. Plenty of there were plenty of them. I think we've exceeded the Our quota on the LSU linebackers. And of course I love the one we kept. We had another win. I CAN'T MEMBERS NAME WHATEVER GUIDE. Alexa pull truckloads of yeah. He was good to trucks and not much else next pick in the fourth round. This one I think was interesting. Honestly at this point I think you could have identified any number of positions. The Falcons may have drafted. I think a lot of people were expecting. Maybe another defensive end project As a pass rusher possibly linebacker again at running back as other position And they went with a safety and they went with Jalen Hawkins out of California so odd number one start with your first Were you surprised? By this pickers surprise that they went with safety concerns got Ricardo Allen. Diamante Qazi Jonah. All basically slotted in for safety in twenty twenty. I'm not surprised that they came away with the safety end this draft just because with Keno nearly as much as I hate to say he is a big injury risk at this point back to back very very serious injuries and I hope that we can give back to one hundred percent in that. He has a long healthy career with hopkins themselves. I I felt like this was a bit of a reach pick. This was the first pick where I was kind of scratching my head after it happened. He he's a big hitter. He has your good instincts in the secondary. But he's very he's pretty slow and The scouts say that his lack of speed will really tap his ability to really be a long-term starter in the NFL but He'll be he'll be a key. Contributor on special teams he has the tools now tributes to be right on special teams from day one and he'll probably be the backup strong safety behind John O'Neill but he someone who who I really felt like. This was a bit of a reach in the fourth round I I don't know I don't WanNa save as a blanket statement. Oh they should have just traded back and gotten him. Because you never know if you didn't have any trading partners but this feels like one of those were the falcons also had a fifth round pick. They wouldn't have taken Hawkins in the fourth. They would probably waited until the fifth round to take him now. Jimmy your thoughts on Jalen Hawkins the use of safety in this draft class and how he may fit in for twenty twenty and beyond. Yeah I think the key thing to remember. Is that right now Aside from obviously the entry rests with cannon which does really concern me for his future a we do not have the Falcons do not have a safety under contract beyond the season and so I think for that reason the picnic stance I realized that he may have been a bit of a rage. But guess if they didn't have a trade partner you know that kind of Makes it more difficult to to act obviously and so yeah? I mean just from the perspective of not having any safety is under contract beyond twenty twenty. I feel fine with yeah I would say as an addendum to that. It's really hard to speak to what. Nfl teams have on their draft board. As far as where guys are ranked Only can go off of what we see on the Internet from various experts. And you know if Hawkins was a sixth round seventh round draft pick. It's possible the NFL had him higher or lower. It's impossible to know for sure. Obviously Fourth Round on nonce pick point. Maybe win the fifth. But it didn't have that pick in. That could certainly been an influence here. Evan your thoughts on Hawkins and his future with the team I also had no idea who he was but my my outlook on it is. I'm trying to stay optimistic. Because one of the few things I do have faith in either. I don't know who's more to Get the credit but Dane Quin Dimitrov. Together is their secondary picks up. Been Pretty Good Just I mean you look at like the Monte Casey's was a fifth round pick. I mean Kiana Neil. When they picked him I knew who he was but I thought that was a reach in east. I mean injuries happened. But when he's on the field that's turned out to be a you know a pretty solid pick So I mean I am more faith in like hoping what what what's going to happen with it. Kendall Sheffield you know. It's it's still young in his career. So it's Kinda hard to make a judgment call on that but he's looked promising and I think Quinn's even mentioned that he he's going to be like a coke corner one or whatever High so I'm not just hold out open just you know something happens good with the Hawkins Safety Long-term so that's another looking towards the future pick I think but Yeah but from what the scouts are said. It doesn't sound very promising. Eric you wrap us up on Hawkins your thoughts on this. Pick the player how he may fit in. You know the the pick was definitely one that I question. I get what they were trying to get going. I just don't get the clear exactly You Know You. You look at his tape. You look at his numbers he produced but you know. He played both three inch strong safety. But you know here who's going to be slotted as a strong safety back in meal. I didn't see a time on film as far as him. being reliable or him playing position. Full Time. Enough for me to say okay. He's definitely he's physical. Let in hindsight that got him in trouble a little bit in college because Jerusalem flags to come for unnecessary roughness. He does have ball skills and the boss translate from him actually being a former receiver he came to University of cow as a receiver so he has ball skills. Yeah but is it boss? Goes to the point where you trust them on the back end about that. So we'll see we'll have to actually see him on feel in in accidentally. It can get back to you right now. never sugarcoated. It is a reach that were better. Safeties ON BOARD ANTHONY BROOKS FROM MARYLAND. Was One that comes in. That comes directly to mind you know. He's he's built very similar to Yamile within a nice steak in the foreground in my opinion. But we'll see what would hawkins can give He fits that whole versatility tag. That you know Ganic win loves so I'M GETTING MATT. I'm giving the physicality thing I think. That's that's a cultural trait But I this is one I look at and say I'm not quite sure he's really gonna be he's GonNa give them anything even if it's a situation where they're going to have to rely on. I'm not quite sure he's he's that yet. Seems to be the the consensus. I've read as you know. The first four picks before him people understood and were on board with thought there were some. You know some good value with those guys. Hawkins seems to be the first pick of this draft class and thank God that was in round four. Not Around one. He seems to be the first pick of this draft class where people were scratching their heads. A little bit thing. There was some other guys you know we thought would have ranked ahead of him than projected better today. Nfl Hawkins but again you know we ultimately have to see these guys field and see how they perform. A He was flagged a few times for targeting in California from what I read. That's GonNa be something they'll have to get under wraps obviously in the NFL so arguably he's GonNa Start on special teams and we'll go from there Because right now Kevin Neal Ricardo Allen Domon. Akc their slotted in as the three guys that will lead the charge safety One way or the other and Hawkins will have to earn his stripes. Alright I would've loved to see him address here. I mean yeah I think there is. There's still some guys on board that too. Yeah options and yet if they go that way so we'll see but I mean up to me. I was the biggest he compared to just trying to find a backup shown. Safety in rapport. Yes in it I will say. The the Falcons are going to get about ten million in cap space on June second. When doesn't true funds contract comes off the books? There is talk. Hope if you will that some of the free agent pass rushers that have not signed yet like Everson Griffen and Oh my God can wait. I can't wait I retired goody. No he did think they said he would. He was an it came out that he actually wasn't. There was a confusing day. Yeah so that. There's some hope. That the falcons that tim million cap space about four or five million dollars for the rookie class. That will be able to go after another free agent pass rusher. We'll see I'm not sure that that's in the cards. But I'm with Eric. I think another pass rusher in in this part of the draft would make a little bit more says now for the most intriguing pick on day three this one has elicited some reactions and I mean it's the seventh round so I want to get this out of the way I a most seventh rounders do not make. Nfl Rosters if anything they they get you know put on the practice squad. It's very rare. The seventh round draft. Pick a really pan out in any way shape or form indices if you're going to draft a position like this. It's probably best to do it in the seventh round so Gino wanting to I. The Falcons selected Punter Sterling. Hof Richter and not. Yes the last time they drafted a punter was in two thousand eleven where they drafted Matt Boxer. Who has to that point has worked out pretty well even though looks like they're moving on for him at this point your thoughts on number one a guy whose first name is sterling the twenty twenty and number two the fact that Falcons drafted him to play Punter in twenty twenty Yeah I you know. I'm not sure that they couldn't have gotten him as an undrafted. Free agents I will say you know a lot of people have been talking about how undrafted free agents is really different this year because everything has had to be done virtually and these are players. They really haven't had as much time to you. Know to scout because they've been preparing for the draft and so I think that that is probably part of the reason that they went ahead and grabbed him when they could But yeah I mean it's a punter in the seventh round like I'm just not going to get that work or the other I cannot muster the emotional energy for anything other than Chur. This seems fine. That's where I am after working more than forty hours since Thursday amen. I hear you Evid your thoughts on seventh-round punchers and in particular Mr Sterling Hoffa Victor. I actually might be in the minority but I didn't mind the pick Just because I think it's still a position of need. They had you know they did sign Ryan Allen who was pretty great last year him in Bosscher both finished with the same exact yards per punt average. Which was weird. Forty one point nine Now gone they had technically five punters last year between bossier allies while Redford in it. They kinda tip their hat. You know before the I think it was what was it was a day two or day three. They got rid of Named Sam Irwin Hill. Or whatever you have more yesterday morning okay. So it was before. The round of the day started So they got rid of the punter the other punter who was on it so Ryan Allen Now has competition as it should be Apparently he was a first team all. Acc The last two years. So I mean there's potential there if you have a planner you know who sticks around like Matt Ball. She did I think that's a win for a seventh round. Pick considering our last seven th round pick. I think was Fuller in that really. Didn't go anywhere. So Eric Round this out your thoughts. A- punter in the seventh man. Well for one thing you know with their pit so spaced out. I was waiting forever for this. Take right game and it was a damn honor. Usually we waited all afternoon for you guys up on your on the roster but whatever I guess I guess I guess is a good kick. The kid can kick. He's versatile can't kick he He's had kickoff At Syracuse. At time he even Registered a fifty two yard field goal while Syracuse at one point so he's versatile but how versatile the To be nowadays. That is something I don't actually require from up under what I again. I guess I'll go with it. But they were again was another chance for them to get as rusher and he didn't so yeah. Let's go with it. I guess he's an x guy. Sure going at it out. If he plays out like Matt Boxer. Did I guess you could say all right? He's a seventh-round or who made the roster and hopefully can contribute for many years to come. I can see it was a kit. Maybe sever nobody's going hunters round the coast. There is in pick one when the draft was. Okay so I mean I guess I guess I mean everyone value certain positions more than others but yet no one was gonna be climbing over other teams to get out. I don't know I heard. There's a lot of buzz around Hoffler because of his main. That's why sterling idea. Yeah this is a guy that you said to the the the bottle shop to buy the beer for the The NCAA can't the names. You just whatever yes real and you just tell them the beer. That's what it is. I'll say this at least Hawford doesn't have a crazy outright. Melissa Tattoo like to inform her point. I'm glad this guy doesn't have like a a Nazi sign. You eight points. I gotTa take joy where we can find it here. When we're talking really would have been questioning that same. Yeah I I am. I'm glad that are. Puncher is not also a card carrying member of the KKK. So we're arguably we're setting the bar very very low for what we expect out of a punter but apparently they're NFL teams that find that a desirable trait early on loan in that. Wraps up. The Falcons draft class so is a real quick synopsis. Here is what the Falcons did in twenty twenty first round. They selected cornerback. Aj barrel out of Clemson. Second Round Defensive Tackle Marlon Davidson out of Auburn Third Rail Center Matt. Hennessy temple fourth-round Mike Walker Fresno State linebacker in Jalen Hawkins Safety of California of course seventh-round Sterling hoffer enter so real quick gene. I'm going to start with you here. After seeing how this played out knowing the needs to falcons had looking looking at the value of these players they trail. How'd you feel about the Falcons? Twenty twenty draft class. You know overall I'd probably give it a B. I'm a little bit concerned that there wasn't more of an emphasis on the pass rush. Even though I love David then I think that he can be a really disrupt player I don't hate the. Aj Tarot pick You know they needed a corner. I think that they knew that he wouldn't get past. The raiders I love the Hennessy Peck. I like the Walker Pekka Lot. Hawkins I at least get it because you know they probably needed a safety. And like I said I mean I can only muster so much emotional energy about seventh round pumps the alright militia tattoos and so overall. I think that I'd give it a b The the whole effort. I'm I'm pretty pleased with that. I'm not mad online about it and so We all know that that's unusual so yeah. I think it's pretty good. Awesome Evan. Your thoughts on this. The twenty. Twenty Falcons class. Yeah I mean as. Y'All said the only thing that was really missing was the edge player but overall I would give it a B. I mean every draft could be better technically but I think it was pretty solid It I don't want to say it out loud but it did. Give me optimism for this Season so we'll see what happens. Eric you've spent a lot of time looking east players in this class. Give us your thoughts on what the Falcons did with the twenty twenty draft. Picks be overall. I think it was a pretty class. No I don't love. The agents were picked by no hate it either especially when you get to the back story about how a lot of teams Throw as I remember anyway right off. The raiders were interested in as was the saints so bear lease a stolen from a division. The division rival so good point Like I said overall I'll give it a you know be it was. It wasn't a star Senate Class. That were really. No hint liners To meet their better players on the board at each position but they chose guys that like I said earlier Rich ready to contribute your one so And I appreciate the fact that they didn't really take any projects any type guys. Look at and say hey they WANNA meet about two years coaching before they know they got. Guys that are veterans at the collegiate level. In your radio now so Yeah I I just wish they would grab another I kind of feel like they're playing with fire this year. Just like they do last year. Honestly you signing Dante Fowler. I still feel like depending way too much on hoping met a certain guy steps up. Instead of just accumulating bodies having a plethora options I after like they're they're playing with fire right now when it comes to that. I think it's I think all of you sort of summarized where I am where most people are like. This is a good not great draft class. A bunch of names that Tick off the boxes and you know one picked that maybe was questionable in were maybe to again. I'M NOT GONNA argue over seven rounders and ultimately you these guys are gonNA prove it on the field one or the other and whether or not they can talk whether or not they've got burned in the championship game is going to be completely irrelevant win. In September October walls around. And and you know that's what is so great about the NFL is that these guys ultimately Their success is determined not by what happened in college now that they've gotten here they're on the team the only thing that matters what they do going forward it. Can I say something real quick? Yeah hit me the listeners. Who are still hanging stuff over eight Because the one game like let it go like it was. The last game is collegiate career. He's in starting for two and a Half Years. Let it go. You know in their receivers made a lot of quarterbacks look embarrassed every defense. Last year they made based or teach us on C. J. Anderson gave up one hundred yard game. It smart safes. Let it go happens that Fantastic point to that point on the podcast realm of tried to get with some of the The team sites have covered these players from collegiate level to get their deeper thoughts especially a terrell in Davidson us to to get a good feel for what they saw from these guys in their time in college and hopefully that guy's more perspective because you know seeing someone their worst moments should never be a barometer for how you judge them as a prospect. How you judge them for future and I think we can say safely that none of us want to be judged by that none of us want to be judged by our worst moment in our careers to say that that is who we are and will forever be I think it's unfair to put any of these players under that sort of criticism for their careers in the NFL. Going forward Fake York fantastic point. So we're going to wrap this up guys. Thanks for joining Gina. Won't you tell our listeners where he can find you? What you've got going on. You can find me at Gina Thomas on twitter where I am often posting pictures of my dog and about a week and a half. So right now tweets might be wedding related. It's turns out that you a small virtual wedding at home. I is a lot of work and a lot of stuff pulled together. So that's kind of where I am right now Were doing a theme week across our estimation team brands this week. It's going to be Jersey theme. We we should have some fun. Falcon stuff up on the Falco Hollick. Because obviously we've got New Jersey's to talk about so keep an eye out for all of that and Otherwise you can find the and my house Because not intend to yet corona virus again or give it to anybody else so I will be right here. I don't I don't care. The bowling alleys are open. I am not slim bowling. Awesome Evan reminded listeners. Can find you what you've got going on. Yeah you can find me on twitter at Edinburgh field. I mean you should be checking out the alcoholic all the time anyways. Just because there's so much content specially now that the draft is over in. You're looking for stuff to read but in specific I mean Dave show runs about Golic. He we put together. The Falcons undrafted free agent tracker 'cause players who didn't get drafted but you know many of them have a possibility of making the roster like Ryan schrader did and Like Allama Dais Akitas. Who's on the current roster? He was undrafted. So it's not like the end of their football journey so they did sign about eighteen or nineteen. So you can look at the tracker and see that What else Oh. The rookies selected their Jersey numbers into that also on the foul colleague Dot Com. What Jersey numbers the rookies? We just talked about Will will wear on this upcoming season and then tomorrow I believe or Monday I had an interview with Morten Andersen which is gonNA post on Monday. So yes. That's about it tastic Erik. Same question you where they can find you what you've got going on You can find me on twitter at Eric. Robinson today was released. My Mullen Davis report along with much litter. Bauge a film review that are looked over again after after the draft was completed. I've been reviewing against Oregon. Lsu Georgia in ups Ask not draft. Season is over. And I'M GONNA try not to go into a deep depression because of it so I have to try to find something until then. Yeah I guess I guess. Maybe it's never too early for For for draft takes Shula bail on don had bailout limit early because you can find him on twitter at say which way and of course his articles at the Falcons Light Dot Com. Before we close on this. Podcast WANNA give a big shoutout to the alcoholic team that killed it during the draft during the week leading up in of course during the draft That includes a day. Chote Gina Thomas EAC- each Carter Brazil Corey Woodruff. Eric Robinson Evan Burchfield everglades James Rail Kevin and Matt Chambers so guys fantastic job of covering the draft in keeping the content. Rolling at the FALCONS DOT COM guys. If you're looking for ongoing content about the Falcons as we prepare for twenty season head over to the site and of course check us out here. Weekly at the Falcons Dot Com podcast. You can find me at Falcon W on twitter and our podcast handle is Alchoholic pod. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Joe Judge audio clips, plus Dave-Te' Thomas

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Joe Judge audio clips, plus Dave-Te' Thomas

"Are you troubled by strange? Hockey trades in the middle of the night. Do you experienced feelings of dread about. Nhl Free Agency. Have you or your family ever seen it New York islanders game? If the answer is yes. Don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts. From espy nation today are courteous and efficient hosts are ready to serve. All of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York Islanders Fans New York giants fans and welcome to a new edition author. Valentine's US podcast here on radio part of your SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Blue View. Today's show is coming to you on Thursday April sixteenth one week before the two thousand and twenty NFL draft. We have a couple of things for you today as we get ready for the draft. I we will have clips from the conference call held on Wednesday by New York giants head coach Joe Judge in which he addressed a lot of of draft related in off season related topics. Those clips will be You'll hear transitions done between those clips by Joe Daley own co host of the of the Chris and Joe. Show here on Biglou radio. We thank him for For cutting up those clips in in doing the transitions for us. The second thing that you will hear is an interview that I did with good friend and longtime NFL. Talent evaluator talent scout. Dave t Thomas men who has about five decades worth of experience scouting. Nfl talent will hear a lot of of Dave's unique and interesting thoughts on the upcoming NFL draft in on what the giants might do so without any further ado. Let's get right to the clips from giants coach. Joe Judge new giants head coach. Joe Judge spoke to the media on Wednesday and he spoke about a number of issues relating to free agency the NFL draft but more importantly took a number of questions about how things are going to be impacted for him in this upcoming season because he's a new coach dealing with an unprecedented event. Judge pointed out that every coach is dealing with the same issue also talked about a very similar but very different instance being the NFL lockout. That happened in two thousand and eleven. You know all we're concerned about this point really whatever means ends up being here on for these meetings school virtual players convicting program and have that. We can work with them. I think the advantage goes wherever best-prepared Miss Point four and I don't think any established programs advantage over anybody else. That's how you can find a way to communicate your players and deliver a message. But you've been program for years. I'm not. Everyone has changes to their system. Everybody has Everybody has changes to. What do all there have the same John? Mccain of their players this is definitely a cruise program first off and what we're doing right now is a lot US uncertainties so we have to control is what we have the ability to control of the staff right. Now we're looking at just make sure we get the installs in the way. We want to get some fans and make sure that whether our flare get back to us this spring or not. They've got a solid days on the knowledge of programs that we start practicing competitively and training him that they got a good start on. I would say there are some significant differences between this year. Two thousand eleven and I would like to point out in the lockout. The biggest difference was players ability training condition themselves when they return. And when you think about it you know at the time you had drew brees bring the saints down in Orange Brilliant home points with the Browns and Austin Texas travel is accessible the players the ability to go to Jim. You know in their local town and train and work with trainers that been removed for the most part cross country. Now and the biggest thing. We've got to make sure that we adjust for is you -bility players to be prepared physically when they get back when you track. Two thousand eleven was away year. We didn't have an all season program with the players. Do use. Your data is what it is. It's the highest quarterly interest SPEC in recent years and that was even want the players training on their own cars. They could the tough thing for players to rose gets pushed through football movements. Prepare themselves sports prices so we have to make adjustments that when we finally do get the players back hopefully sooner or later but we have to make sure we practice the right way and give themselves a change in the players a chance to condition their bodies physically ready so we can avoid injuries on Monday. General Manager Dave gettleman spoke a ton. About how the current situation in our country has impacted the ability to evaluate prospects in person. Meet them at their pro days and also host them for visits Joe. Judge also talked about the issues but also the ability to still get a sense for what a prospect is like all the flares. We've watched them. You know again. We've seen them from a distance as the key way to say we want them on tape with watch my far most the fact that other teams last year so we've watched from an outside perspective. We're really get them in our building a work without sort of hand on your Bruce. It wouldn't be fair to really give a true anybody you haven't worked with but I can say that but every player that we had the previous roster and then he got that roster right now we're looking forward to going to the draft and all kind of tapping our quote right now just anxious to be allowed any exposure players that we can start Berkeley. Give you a great insight into the players as to how they interacted in meetings outside boy questions. They ask how current they could barely information. You know that's what really wait for. Donald reviews everything available to us are to really go ahead and get the best. Picture of Clark's stocking. Tell you losing the visit your campus for to go to the player campus and watch them at Friday. You really gotta utilize these meetings online. It gives you the player in the is Utah. I'm very big body. Lying is a very big Cossack and at least you look a player in the is yes. Mccoy's in Seattle. That stigler their picture of how they are as far as talking ball how much they can learn and teach back. Yes and the other thing we'd have to do is rely on our context and people can trust and we're very fortunate on our staff you personally that we have a lot of contacts out there with a lot of these players. Dennis combs and relate to the countries that they give honest feedback and support the dodgers talking software that program but talking to someone. You trump that program. That's GonNa really tell US inside now. That players like as a person as a team player on a daily basis spent a lot of time on the phones all the guys that. I very good very deep relationship with these players. And that all goes our guy towel levels one thing but it's it's more than just fantasy football when I just draw buyers all author. We'll go the team and we've got to count for how on media how they're on the lock your teammates. Once they got a regular culture standpoint when asked about evaluating prospects and favouring players that are versatile. Like Clemson's Isaiah Simmons. Joe Judge pointed out. He's seeking guys that have high upside potential. I think that what you're looking at a draft first off you're always looking for the best player available and to me that means long-term upside if you think you're thinking is so on pro ready all rookie. Second step in the building is none of them are pro ready. That's why they need the string program widened training camp. That's why they go through growing pains as a means about finding upside and slayer of looking down the long scope of a career and seeing. Who's going to be the best choir most upside for you? There's really no short term fix abandoned. You're not gonNA pick someone of this draft okay. We answered you know. And they're it's just bringing the best guy bill and work with them every day. No one's a finished product. Whether they're you know our guys get brand right now. Everyone has to improve. It will be. I think it matters only and how they fit your says some and how you can use them to expand on your system Jordan to me you know. Every player had to have a level versatility. I don't care if you're a busy job at the line. And here's a quarterback. Everyone has to have versatility gains to adjust to different game. Claims Games to me if you're gonNA players that great impact and has upsides. That's the guy you WanNa really at your Ross. You know the upside. You're the biggest part of it so in terms of is it true physician home. I mean the physician was defined by how you use the usual and that's really does is coach D. Creative and maximize shrinks talk about what they're not got what they can do for. Smells like most coaches and talent evaluators. Joe Judges Locking himself in his basement and spending long days grinding things out in evaluating prospects up until it's time to make the pick judge pointed out that he has a friend joining him before these long days of grinding tape. I've a more accurate picture for you if we go through a hallmark grass ourselves as organization with the League However I have told my kids you know. There's times when we need them. Get Out of the base you brother you know based on how we grant that. I can have a visual in my in my my basement. I've already talked about possibly taking tags off the wall and organized different things Not Looking to make this vacation for anybody out series get done. But it's still our house and like everyone else in America's finding out you know everyone's working with their family always present and that's That's pretty true for us. I've got a golden retriever. Sits on the couch next to me for about fifteen hours days so right now so you're gonNA pay more about. Who are taking the first on anybody else. James Fans I'm joined now by longtime NFL scouts. Steve T Thomas who's got about five decades worth of NFL scouting experience. Good friend of Of Big View and we always appreciate his insight so Dave t welcome to the show. It's Christmas Day for NFL. Teams today dare all put in a request reports. After today I shut down on draft day. You know obviously the speculation is is fast and furious and any arguments about what the giants will or should do at number four between Isaiah Simmons and offensive tackle are are are raging Your thoughts I think if I know you. I think your your of the belief that they'll go offense tackle and that that's what they should do. One reason is worse canal only play right tackle and right. God has experienced over a left tackle if they WANNA get rid of the mistake by the lake after this season and filled her. What I'm looking at is Simmons in. He's obviously a great player to have on that team I think. Dg's GonNa sit back and say well. I say Martinez a science background. I gotTA justified thirty six and a half million dollars over here to to mediocre products even though he has a superstar sitting on the board now if they do end up drafting Simmons. I don't see them. Playing Simmons predominantly linebacker. I look at them creating a position rover where he's more like a strong safety. That will free up peppers to you know. Stay make his place inside the box. But I'm telling you I am still gonNA interest in worse that kids too hard to pass up. You gotta go back a couple of years with Indianapolis when they took Nelson out of the Notre Dame everybody says Oh that was too early to go for an offensive line. I better to go for For player around too late than to regret it later on they could obviously be traded. And if it isn't traded Fiji does aside the drop down. I don't see him dropping down. More than seven and Carolina is definitely will trait. The number four is still on the board. We still have joint though the George trying to make a move over here of trying to trade down with a teen to want quarterback but I'm looking at the quarterback needy teams playing Detroit's bluff. That will end up. Which Simmons or Jeff. Okay do on the board. They definitely need help but both positions I think they go for the Ohio state product in. I WANNA go back to work for a second though. He's definitely the guy that you think. The giants would target and should target. You know if they want the best offensive. Tackle if you're looking for a right tackle version Joe. Thomas Tristan works is known back on the other guys over here. Andrew Tom. This is the most consistent of all of the offensive lineman in his draft but tristen spring so much to the table egg you. We're looking at a kid that if they start him as a rookie. I look at him being the pro bowl as a rookie at right tackle. Wow Yeah they did. The kid is good and you got to go back and look at the Kirk. Forensic ever is history. Would offense alignment? I would put him in the same classes. Macho Janda Wow. That's that's high. Praise them you. Don't worry about I mean there are some people who say. Oh He's a guard or you'll have to. You'll be better at guard you you don't sound like you don't go along with that at all now. Of course I'm looking at the kid I'm looking at. I'm looking to allow Louis Jewelry. I'm looking at explosion off the ball. Hundred Twenty seven knockdown blocks as you twenty three touchdown result than block. You look at the team especially with the way that the The giants to set up while they win a year too early game a quarterback they really needed to get the offensive line straightened out. But they brought Dangle Jones and you build your offense around you offensive line. It takes up to three years for those guys. Joe I like Fleming as a six man but if they start him at right. Tackle this still going to have issues over there now. That's much as they have a remers though so so the other guy that everybody talks about as a possibility you know you look at all these mock drafts and I look at I just look at at at the size in the athleticism. In all of that with MCI BECTON. I always look at that. And I know Gilman's proclivity for Hobby mollies and all I look at Beckton and I think this is a Guy Dave gettleman going to have a hard time passing up and you know obviously for worse but still he came down to. Everybody got mesmerized on his kid at the combines when he ran a five one you notice that all of a sudden he've gained it out and says I can't run shuttle. Same thing happened on pro day came up with another phantom injury. Why doesn't he wanted to show what he can do in a shows because he shows that on the Phil this kid cannot move related could explosion of the bowl of. He hits that defensive. He's GonNa take the guy out on a plate but the problem is he has no retreat ability at. We all went through this stuff already with Digi. Would Eric Flowers where he got a listless offensive. Linemen if you go back and look at the grades on back then over here. He's thirty second among all the offensive. Lineman WITH THE SEVENTY BLONDE. Great Seventy is passing. Meanwhile I'm looking at them. Works flittering eighty nine point five. I mean it comes down to sensibility over here and when you look at Offensive Liming. Yes is management. Also the explosion of the ball the footwork the way did they move. Down the line scrimmage itself Beckman's not GonNa do that he's just gonNA stand there and say. Hello. So would you like to come into my backfield interesting interesting? So hey you know I wanted to circle back. We talked a little bit. You mentioned you know Blake Martinez Kyle fach role. It sounds to me like you're not crazy about what the giants did in free agency over rolled over eighty nine players listed rated at Montana's position overall great. He was fifty second against the run. He was sixty-nine covering he was fifty. Nine let's go down the sacral over two hundred and seven edge. Russia's overall fifty eight grade folks seventy is passing pass rush. He was eighty four of one hundred seven guys against the run. He was a hundred out of one hundred seven guys last year. I mean if I'm going to open up my wallet over here and giving some money these two dudes that it had thirty pictures on the G. In order our patients are you buying? I mean there's been a lot of chatter Martinez is mentioned it. I've seen other people mentioned it on. Gettleman actually talked about it in a conference. Call on on Monday as well. The idea that that Martinez might be a better scheme. Fit it the way. The giants want to run their defense than the way he was used in Green Bay. You buy that at all. They get them in. Let me not gonNA. Hey before you brain cells full out the other side and how could he keep on coming on saying that actually to guide? It's running their defense over. There came from the Green Bay family. So you tell me to Graham. Who had these guys all of a sudden? GimMe GimMe Gimme. I don't think so interesting interesting so like initially last year. You know you sit back and look at him. Well Pat Shurmur was owned push for Jones. He was SEIB. Why Am Self Man? Just in case Jones fell on his but the Pat Shurmur say that anybody in all of his press conferences. No I don't know I don't know Over here is general manager. Speak again when it comes to general manager. Speak at thirty two in amount there. I Trust David David Cattleman thirty third. I knew you know I knew you weren't a fan but I didn't think it was I think he was that far down your list. The Joke Danna Carolina when he was out the door over there if they were on your people. If they're Dave gentleman was killed that was only a hundred people in the world to be Andrea them on suspects. While I don't know I don't know I mean I know you know. Let's let's talk a little bit more about the about the draft though. Let's talk about About Day to day three one of one of the spots. The giants really have to address. We you know we focus so much on offensive. Tackle the center spot. GimMe a couple of guys that you think might be round three round four guys guys. They could go after it's center. Good at center. He didn't look good it offense ago more than likely. Someone's going to move back to the position. But if you want the next Jason Kill fee if you want the best technician out there and we will likely find along the border three head down to the temple manning everybody down there who when talking that at that. Alan. It's Matt Hennessy. And this is how can I put it if he came out last year? Before bradberry this year. I'm seeing a lot of tight ends offensive. Guards sent his being considered data to maybe more likely date three. The is just one of those guys that you gotta go after if you need a center thirty six too early or can they get him at ninety nine. I think they could get him that far. Because I think a lot of teams that go in and really examiners kid understand one thing that we had over here. We had five teams pie. That didn't send any their coaches that it combines we had two other teams sent the scale skeleton even bill. Belichick was in the combines. After the first day he was on the road working out this how can I put it to combine snubs? And that was what was going on. Now you have. These coaches overheated generally will wait to laugh at it combines to get in the pro days to get in their interviews and then go into the film room now to add to go straight to the film and they were going into the film room blind all began was listed on the scout the smart teams out there and I would say only a quarter of them been smart. A scout seems to be attached in his area to jump in from coach to coach. Talk with the coach. Scott's GonNa play a much more important role in that she is a draft. Never before but you go back and look at it. Not only that is how can I put it the knowing what the guy's GonNa do ahead of you. If years ago you went to pro. Dang or general manager and owner and the head coach on the sidelines. Looking at that guy you know. They got strong interest enough now with the pro days eliminated. Jack doesn't know what you'll is about the do and let me ask you. Obviously we're talking about scouts and in not being able to have the pro days in the in the thirty visits in all of that. Does this sexually help the giants? Because we know that we know. And I know you're you're not a settlement fan but cattlemen's more of the traditional you know. Watch the film in the giants. Do have some veterans. Scouts does this. Could this actually play well for the giants? Actually put them in the top quarter as far as scanning goes now whether he relies on him and that is a different case altogether. I'm sure quite a few of his scouts over there. If they mentioned never flowers during Aretha Turned around and fired. That was REECE's zone call. I think what we're going to see in this draft when the giants come up is a lot of patients. I don't see them. Trading up possibly trading down but I don't think more than number seven Carolina is trying to move up their offer and a one three in the five to move up to the number four spot if Simmons is still there. Now you've got to look at what's going on number one. You've got a row going to any REDSKINS ARE GONNA end up taking issue. Number three is where the lions have the doors open but he look at the way they do the lions run anyway it's keystone cop type situation. I'm surprised Mrs Ford as it run over to ex Patriots Widow Model T. Yet it's Alliance table they are. I still feel they're going to go for a quarterback. I don't think Miami feels. It's worth them. Trading up to number one to move from five to three charges want to give up a one two in free to move from them for six to number three. So what? We're GONNA see more than likely to quarterbacks in it they want there and I think Miami's going to pull off a big surprise because Simmons us well the number five it would not surprise me if they go through Simmons because actually they got Hubbard. Is the number one quarterback and then trial by Jordan love? They've very very sketchy onto our medical. Wow so to up to fall to La then I don't even think. La would go on him right now. I think a lot of teams again skittish one. You GotTa look at not only hip injury but other injuries down there too. It's GonNa take a great adjustment. Remember one thing not only. Is He a rookie? He's left handed quarterback so now he's come and Keenan Allen animal have to adjust them. I don't see the as I don't see many camps. I don't see rookie camp. I don't see Campo Bidding 'til sometime in August at the earliest now all of a sudden all those were you drafted in two thousand and twenty. What's GONNA turn around with those guys? It's going to be like a redshirt year in college because those guys aren't going to be able to grasp the playbook and apply it to the football field within four weeks time before the season begins. Now run someone else up by what happens at the NCAA decides you know what we're GonNa can to twenty twenty football season. You still have. What a lot of schools. It's Barbra string. Bulb went as far as baseball telling kids. You can't come back to school. Year eligibility is up. Remember we got a second phases draft. That comes up in July. What if all of a sudden a bunch of Players out there decide you know by the not gonNA play football. No one's going to see me. I might as well go on. Cheap in head to the NFL at supplemental draft compete very very deep this year. So a team. That doesn't get someone. And all of a sudden teases kid popping up on the board banned. They're GONNA pop up. I mean what's happened to Travis at the end from Clinton all of the sudden decides. Hey I'm not gonNA sit around and wait for twenty twenty. One I'm going come down there and the supplemental it'll be the first thing contract hadn't even thought about the supplemental draft and and what the NCAA might do but it is It's definitely a crazy time in the end in the NFL. And who knows what's going to happen. Chris Valley city he was talking higher ups in the NCAA. Not even talking about pushing the season back to February two thousand twenty one asset going to work with the two thousand twenty one combine. How Heck I'm work? We're you're drafting a guy that might still be playing blow while you're drafting. Yeah I have no idea how that would work. That's that that's a mess. H A lot of worms out data cop to Candida people right now saying. Let's just get through this day here. Who knows how it's going to go. I just I know it's not It's it's definitely not normal. We know that I'm sure you doing all the all the years you've been doing this. Have you ever seen anything even remotely close to this a Law Ning? I warn people years ago you better plan in case anything crazy happens and the thing. I was really planning in case there was a strike. Now he'd seen this oh he'd like I say scout is going to be most important person on that connection line itself. I mean I a coach. Even you look Joe Judge. Gioja was coaching up in New England L. E. CD's guys unless he's watching them on film. I like it though that way because Nandita judge in a kid on production. What you've seen in going through rather than potential you know what they say about potential. Sei Kissing her sister for more than thirty second. Phyllis sudden all we have people in a room. 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AP Draft Show - Clyde Edwards-Helaire Reaction Show (Ep. 10)

Arrowhead Pride

26:07 min | 8 months ago

AP Draft Show - Clyde Edwards-Helaire Reaction Show (Ep. 10)

"Very merry draft miss to you. Thanks for joining us today. My Name's Ken Swanson. This is the AP draft show. This is a live reaction to the chiefs on the first day of draft. Miss giving us a running back. Clyde Edwards layer out of lsu. It's the guy that if they were gonNA take running back is who we wanted and here to help me talk about. Him Is my dear pals. I find him on twitter at Jacob. Morley Jake you're going to quote here for a second. Yeah told you so. I believe I believe on this podcast last week. I was ridiculed on air. And you don't get to check the D. Hams either. But I was also ridiculed off air for suggesting having the audacity to suggest that the chiefs would select running back Clyde Edwards layer out of lsu. Who is a fantastic fit in their offense? And I'll get into why and what I think the chiefs are doing and why I think is really smart. Actually we'll get into that later but yeah you all. Can you know what because I'm right? You're wrong I also on rhyme. I I got two picks right from tonight's draft that really tick people off in September. I said the packer I was like I just suggested. I said your love would be a cool pick for the packers in the first round. Guess what it happened and I definitely have lots of receipts talking. Clyde being for trump into the chiefs so to fan bases who are not super happy about the pics. But I think they're both stellar picks. I think the chiefs fans are starting to be okay with Clyde Edwards aware. I know the analytics community hate it. I believe it multiple F grades. I'll who cares what they have to say. And I'm not even the big fan of the running back in round one now I've just flexing. Okay sorry go crazy. That's all that's to fight him on twitter at barley up. 'cause Jake's to his its own head bragging to introduce Craig Barley hop craig style. Hello Hello I'm excited. I'm excited Listen I thought it was funny. We'll get into some of the breadth. Vh quotes and things like that. But I want to kind of tease this one. He said that the AFC west clearly was trying to get in to attract meat. You know he's trying to turn this into a track meet guys Brett Beach. Just said y'all can't hang with our track meet like Clyde is going to come in and make this a significantly better offense for all the reasons that Kit Ni- talked about yesterday morning when we put out the podcast talking about why running back make sense or Andy. Reid and what he can do so from that regard Liz. Afc West tried to keep up. They are not going to be able to keep up. They got another dynamic weapon. That chiefs did. Yeah here's the thing. I am not a big fan of running back around one. I think we establish that yesterday and I was scared and I was scared on the livestream because I you know I think there's better positions of value that will help the chiefs not just this year but long-term Clyde Edwards Hilar- though what we've maintained for months now if they're going to take one in around one might as well be him might as well be Edwardsville there. And here's why Clyde Edwards Hilar- is the best route runner in this entire in this entire running back class and it's not particularly close and what he was asked to do is reflecting reflective of that client like he was running quarter routes from the slot against Alabama and catching touchdowns he was running a dynamic route. And he's pretty good at it. He's natural what he's got natural hands. He's able to catch the ball away from his frame very comfortable doing that. We haven't even gotten to the running back traits but the run pass rates are very good but the value of the running back traits aren't what people are aren't why he's going to be valuable in Kansas City. I mean they'll help. But he is a dynamic pass catcher from from the running back position and I think that's ultimately is true value. I that's I think ultimately what can kind of help maybe softened the blow of the value of you just make it sound like like it's such a tough pill the swallowed this offense but like I it. It is a little bit but you're right. You're right like this weapon. That's going to allow any run. The whole playbook it may Patrick mahomes better score. Eighty billion points a gay man. This release things. Look I. I don't I don't know if it's that big of a jump but I do think it helps way. Jacob picked a guy too that's GonNa step on the field from day one and be an instant intact starter. That's rare to get take thirty two unless you're picking a running back. But they picked a running back. That is I mean if you would if you would make a running back. A lab Ensued him for Kansas City. The only thing Clyde does not have is at long speed. That's it that's all he doesn't. It doesn't have what is good enough. That's the the Legion. Zoom did not get any zoom ear with him. That's for sure but he's quick. He's quick as lightning. So if you WANNA say Zoom Zoom that way sure but But he's not GonNa not gonNA run away from anyone but I think he's GonNa be that he still GonNa get you. Chunk yardage chunk plays You'll have to just be dependent on PAT on his arm. And even so you could be you know. We don't run the ball. Do Clyde could not carry a game and still be a super impactful player in this offense by catching eight passes and I think I think that's the point like I think that's what you know. I you know I'm not. I'm still going from a value perspective. I'M GONNA I'm GonNA continue to argue. You Know Clyde over its players. Low can't play corner and that's okay. His past catch value will make him a more valuable running back than a lot of other running backs that step onto the field. And that's the thing that I think people need to understand. That people need to hang their hats on from a value perspective. He might he might be able to be more valuable ave running back than other people are accustomed to and why the running back still. Your argument is a little bit different. That's the only caveat I'll add is conversation packers versus cheese game. This year of the players that played in that game was nobody who was the best player on the field that day era because not because they handed the ball to him because they got him in situations where he had advantageous match ups. And he's a good route runner like Clyde Allaire. He is very much that type of player. So if you if you hated seeing Aaron Jones catch one hundred seventy passing chiefs will hold a layers gonNa have some games like that. Here's the funny part. We hated watching. We blamed the linebackers hated. It yelled about the linebackers is one of the reasons why people are going now. You had to draft a linebacker everything like that. It Jake was Davante Adams playing in that game. No so the packers weapons were not great in the end they are joan at the end and Aaron Jones Tore Up. Now you get to put a guy that Andy Reid This this is Great Brett. Vh told Andy Reid is. He admitted this in the press conference after the thank told Andy Reid. I need you to watch Clyde Edwards. He layer because he reminds me of. Brian Westbrook Andy came back and said No. He's better take kit. You the primary greater for running backs I see happy dance over there. Who did you player? Comp Clyde Edwards. He later too so I'm just getting ready to stretch. I'm flexing compared Clyde Edwards ealier to Brian Westbrook. The Casey draft guide is a good day. Today high fits a player that meets brought up or having a good day over here a Casey draft headquarters. I mean if you think of Clyde as an offensive weapon and not as a running back just think of him as another offense of weapon maybe it becomes more palatable to you. He's not going to run the ball thirty times a game. This isn't John Taylor. You don't need to get him. Handoffs really get him going. How many times it Kareem Hunt? Carry The ball thirty times for crying out. Did he ever? I'm not sure I will look that up. And we'll get back to that in a minute. But this is like honestly. This is the closest thing that she ever GonNa get to a slot. Receiver is really what that is Jack. I mean that she's don't really go grab guys that are slot specific but Clyde definitely has some of the stuff that you're GonNa want in a in a in a slot receiver. I mean like he's GonNa run some of the routes that you typically see slot receivers run but my guys out here running corner outs. Do I mean like he is like I mean? I'm telling you this guy's route three is more dynamic than you're used to with running backs and and I mean he runs the angle route h post route Texas route. Whatever you guys call it. He runs it as good as anybody in this draft class the next evolution of NFL offenses is having a guy in your backfield that is essentially a wide receiver. That can take hand-offs and the chiefs are going to be at the forefront of that because they already have such an explosive offense in general and now they have a guy that can do that like they might not This year so you're saying that it's time to cut Dustin Colquitt. That's what Jacob Marley said. Kareem Hunt is Kareem. Kareem Hunt didn't have thirty carries and again by the way he had twenty nine a couple times. Yeah anyways content. That was my point is that that's I think we're GONNA see the NFL. Start to go but cheese or leading the sharks. You know when you talk about the NFL offenses in two thousand twenty. The way the game is played right now the way the rules are right now where physicality is kind of be taken out of the game and you want guys. I can separate you guys. That can space out defenses. And then you want a guy that can distribute the chiefs. Have all of that. The only piece that they were missing is it was running back piece and they just got it. Yeah and that's not to say the Damian Williams wasn't good player. He's still a good player. Still GonNa get to this team. I mean He. He's a nice speed option here. But here's the funny part. We're how many minutes into this podcast. We're not talking about him as a runner which he is. I mean. He's a fantastic runner. He's got excellent vision. He's got ridiculous agility. He's perfect for the chiefs zone. Heavy SCHEME HE SLIP. Jig said it. He literally perfect Andy. Reid one offense. I thought today he's tailor-made. He is tailor-made for Andy. Reed's offense he has better lateral agility than anyone on the chiefs roster anyone on the chiefs roster for several years. He has better vision than just about anybody in the last several years. Frankly I mean he's not the most like he's explosive through the whole but he lacks the second gear. He does not have that second gear. That's it's kind of evidence by his his forty time and you look at some of that stuff. I mean. He didn't test great. But when you watch them on the field rare agility. I mean rare a very good vision. I WANNA call him. Visionary it's not. It's not rare good. Good good vision. It's above average vision. I mean think of this way Clyde at Lsu you got to run against a lot of light boxes because that offense is ridiculous. It's a pro style offense to and he went for eighteen hundred scrimmage yards. He gets to settle right in to another pro style offense where he's going to see a lot of light boxes again. He can't be immediately successful. This is not going to be that big of a transition because his game is predicated on speed it's predicated on his vision and agility which are going to translate immediately O. N. contact Bali in contact balanced. Good contact balance. Yes we're going to take a break and we're going to kind of look and reset the Board Talk About Tomorrow. Talk About for our today. Actually it's going to be today for you for listening to this talk about the Friday draft. How it looks for the chiefs and what kind of things they can address right after this all right. We've kind of broke down the Clyde Edwards Hilar- PIC- hey might seep into this conversation. A little bit more. Who knows but there is still two more days of the draft in the chiefs. Still have five. Four more picks remaining. Perhaps they're going to look to trade back in the second round. Who knows but I found this interesting because when Clyde Edwards layer was aware. I'm sorry we have to really get used to that Clyde Edwards. It's the McColl situation all over again. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have to work on that but there was a lot of good players on the board Christian Fulton was on the board. Josh Jones. The tackle out of Houston was on the Board Xavier mckanie. The safety added Alabama's somehow still on the board. There's a tour gross modest the edge from Penn state. A lot of really good football players still remain on the board. I find it fascinating. I wonder I wonder what kind of values are going to be available for the chiefs at the end of the second round. Craig yeah I I mean. There's probably ten defensive backs that we've talked about that we will be comfortable with the chiefs taking in the second round. There's a couple of defensive ends there's a couple of linebackers there's still a lot of these second round wide receivers. You're Dinsdale mims are still there. Michael Pittman Junior still there. There's a lot of players that are going to come off the board here in the second round and the chiefs because of the way that they've set up this season in the needs that they have which are few for twenty twenty can just sit in weight and pick a guy that they know is going to be a good fit for twenty twenty one and baby in twenty twenty. You might see a Logan Wilson. You might see a Camp Dancer. It sixty three these guys that can come in step in and help the chiefs in twenty twenty and still build the depth on the defense. They're jake what kind of wide receivers do you think could be available that uses sixty three? Like who would you want to see them? Kind of take a look at US sixty three. I'm just we're going all offense now. We're just trying to score tech score one hundred. We are leaning into your bit. I mean you you picked running back to thirty two so just tell us three. Clyde at thirty two please. That's what I'm saying like I mean combined off well. This is going to be the bit that I'm going to really start hammering too because I really feel strongly about this and I talked about this on the wives youtube thing that we did. And I I really think that Andy you know who coached breadth far early in his career underneath Ron woolfe and Ron woolfe. Who's in the hall of fame? As a general manager for the Green Bay packers talked about at the end of his career. Having Bret for his biggest regret was not surrounding him with better weapons. And I think Andy is looking at this situation and saying okay now. I have the best quarterback I've had since I'd coach Brett Farve and in the world in general but anyways but but ever what am I gonNA do? I don't WanNa make the same mistake that the packers did with Brett and try and even with Rogers is okay. We got the quarterback knowledge trying to fix the defense. Let's all this high capital on defense to try to have this super well rounded team when it's like why just score more points than everyone score one hundred and I think and I think that's when Andy's honestly doing proved me wrong. His last two picks have been I. His last picks that have been his first picks. I guess let me wasn't a first rounder. But just explosive Athens so I think looking at this team if they're gonNA continue this route with wide receiver. Michael Pittman Juniors might top receiver on the boards still. I doubt he's there but you know he's a big receiver in those guys tend to fall and so maybe he is the guy that I really like as a fit in Kansas City. Is You know those kind of gadget type. Guys that can develop Brian Edwards out of South Carolina's a guy that I know all of us really like Later Yaounde's three Keep an eye on but just specifically tomorrow second and third round Brian Edwards is a name to keep an eye on. He was hurt throughout the process. But he's a very good player. Lynn vowed in junior is another guy that I think is a really good explosive athlete. He's another kind of gadget e type that I've seen Kim stating that offense well and develop into fulltime wide receiver in the meantime An indefinite Do Varney or Texas I per se call my do Varnay but when they pick him now just another name that we can't pronounce So those are three options right there of guys that I think if you just WANNA keep adding explosives athletes Those are some names. Keep an eye on. It's funny we've talked You remember how big the La viscous and not hype was about this time last year. You know coming draft a dude that. Oh man this wide receiver and all of that guy. He might be there at sixty three as well. You know like skill by lever to. He's still miles to hurt. Mandy if if you go back to last year. If he didn't play a snap this year he might have begun already. The people are judging the two thousand eighteen tape so yeah absolutely. He's a great name to keep an eye out and see this little feeds into point here. But we're talking about all these guys. That's a lot of really good players that fit the chief really. Well here's the thing there's still some really good corners on the board to I said Christian Fulton Bryce Halston their trevon digs is sitting there jailing Johnson sitting. There I look I. I don't know when those four going to fall off the board. I'm sure there's going to be a run on linemen still there's GonNa be around tear F. Offensive Line. There's going to be continue to be a run on receiver to like. Maybe the cheese can trade up for one of these guys. Maybe maybe jalen Johnson's sitting there in the fifties and maybe I was throwing this around earlier. Maybe one of those like win. The CHEESE TRADE UP FOR BRUIN speaks they gave up. Pick fifty six and seventy six or eight hundred seventy six. I think for picks forty six and one hundred basically they. They traded up and traded back with one. Pick to try to kind of equalize the value. I wonder if the cheese can't do that in this in tomorrow. And maybe trade sixty three and ninety six. I did the math. It'd probably be something like four. Pick fifty four and one twenty eight something around that range. I'm just that's just rough estimates. That's that's a ballpark. If one of those quarters falls there into the fifties man I'm looking. I'm looking hard at that. I'm looking too hard. If jalen Johnson's in the fifties I am trying my best to get up there. I'm trying to figure out a way to get up there because if you start if you start your draft off with Clyde Edwards Layer. I did it right there. Ed Jalen like if you'd flip those two for me I'd be geeked out. I'd feel even better. That'd be a fantastic start to this trap. Here's the funny one. There hasn't been a safety taken yet. Xavier McCain take rent Jeremy Chen Kyle Duger Antoine field. That run is happening. That run is going to happen in in the second round. But we're sitting in a situation kind of like one thornhill next year or last year where the chiefs might find themselves a sixty three with incredible safety value. Now we've talked about how we would pull the trigger on Xavier mckinney on grant. Del It at thirty two. This might be a one thornhill situation again. I guy that we loved in the first round that fell to the end of the second round chiefs could catch some value there. We know how spags likes to use the safeties now so listen. There are ways to still make an impact on this defense to get better while still adding to the offense Matt Hennessy Akeem Adedeji Moutain Mutai like. There's a lot of really good offense. Interior Offensive Lineman as well amped about tomorrow on Amtrak today. Sorry I really am excited in this draft tomorrow. All right guys I want to. I want us all to go around real quick in just grade the Clyde Edwards emailer pick. And we'll wrap this. Show Up Jake once you start us off. What's your grade on the Clyde Edwards alert pick? Why now I mean. Let's give him an even a plus. I love the pick. I don't care anyone says they're wrong right. I mean he's he's just so tailor-made to fit into that scheme. I just can't think of a better offensive weapon to add to that offense. It's it's like the last piece of the puzzle when it fits perfectly and you can look back and kind of look at it in amazement. I like what they're doing. They're all in for twenty twenty one. The running back is is in full full steam ahead. I'm not looking at twenty twenty two twenty two hundred. Yeah well the Super Bowl will be in twenty one and I like I like that. And it's it's tough to win two super bowls back to back in their position themselves to do that. So if you're positioning yourself to do that with your first pick their. Let me tell you what there's thirty one other NFL franchises. I love being that position and I don't know how you can't then give that pick a great great greg. Now listen my guy. Christian Fulton was still there so I can in good conscience. Give us an A. but I can't give it a B plus the NFL hated for every chief's Fan that you saw. That did not like this. Pick because it was a running back. Take a look in their three more fans of other teams that are pissed off that the chiefs got Clyde Edwards aware. That should tell you that should tell you what people think about him the kind of regard that they hold them in they think that this offense got better and frankly that's a little scary for the rest of the. Nfl is scary. I gave it a B minus Eh. It's not about Clyde words. Learned SLIGHTEST. Because if you've been listening to. Us Talk About Him. If you've been following us on twitter you know. I think about Clyde hours later I love the player. I love the player. I don't know if I love the value of a running back that early. I do think if there's any running back that's going to be able to create enough value or more value. It is him because he has pass catcher traits. That are flat out better than anybody else in this class. And he's going to be one of the best pass catching running in the national football league next year. There's going to be given a lot of opportunity to be put a lot of favorable situations favorable situations to run favorable situations as a pass catcher. Because he's often you're going to be the fourth option or option on the field because the cheese offense is that good. I mean real quick. Sorry need to sidebar here. The cheese are GONNA roll out. Travis Kelsey tyreek Hill. Samuel Walk Ins McCall heartbeat Clyde overs. Scary does terrify. Okay with the Boy Patrick. Mahomes slinging the rockall over the field. Okay big bump the great. They need they need to add some offensive line. Hell that's that's what they need to do around to. That's that's what really out. Hey Matt Matt himse man you keep an eye out keep an eye on Bob Hunt to Robert. Hung out a lot of good players. Lot of good players left guys. Keep an eye on Logan Wilson linebacker out of Wyoming Keep an eye on the corners. I think that's where we're looking at. I'm giving it to be minus. Though I love I love Clyde. Who was there the player wish they could? I wish they could trade back to forty and done. This and I would have been happier. They tried we tried. Yeah they did try so there you go all right that is going to do it for day one recap of the NFL draft. We'll be back tomorrow. With INSTA- breakdowns is two reactions on cheese. Picks needed a violence.

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Falcons vs. Raiders Postgame: Atlanta humiliates Gruden and his team

The Falcoholic

31:17 min | 6 d ago

Falcons vs. Raiders Postgame: Atlanta humiliates Gruden and his team

"Introducing built to last a new podcast by american express. I'm elaine well trough. And i'm excited to host debut season where we will be deep diving into the stories history and continued legacy of small businesses. That shape american culture through these important conversations will hear how the black business leaders of our pass have inspired. Today's black owned small businesses and communities. Join us for the debut season of built to last on spotify apple youtube. or wherever. You get your favorite podcast. This is the falcon haller. Podcasts special podcasts. If land falcons on the sp nation podcast network dave walker on joined by my partner in crime. Evan burchfield. Evan how are you. I'm great w we just saw tremendous gain by the falcons one. Then yes literally nobody would have dictated. Yeah let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. We were back for a post game. Podcast we're gonna talk about the falcons impressive dominant win and not just a a win. A dominant win over. The las vegas raiders in week. Twelve of the nfl season. They won this game. Forty three to six yes. They dropped a forty burger on the raiders. Who came into this game at a believe. Six and four thakin's came in three and seven so atlanta moves to forty seven raiders. Dropped to six and five It was never really close. This was an impressive. Win by the falcons and it really came from both sides of the ball. Although i think some people would argue correctly that the offense struggled for the game it was really the defense that i think that stood out most in this one. They held the raiders to just two field goals had some impressive stops including one of the ones where they basically stopped him. Go line to force them into the short field goal They had several turnovers. Believe four turnovers on the game And they had seventeen points off those turnovers including pick six from dion jones. And we'll get into that in a little bit But this to me was a game about the falcons just for the first time in a very long time maybe going back to the last time. They absolutely thrashed the tampa. Bay buccaneers back at home. And i think that was the two thousand thirteen season I don't remember a beatdown of this sort in recent memory. So evan what is one of your main takeaways from this game They kind of you know piggybacking off what you just said. They pretty much just bullied. The raiders Which as i mentioned nobody saw coming. I mean the raiders. Were six and four coming into this game. I think the falcons were probably picked by very few To actually be competitive in they were they were. They were across the board. The better team Yeah we'll get into the stats. So i don't wanna give anything away. But they outplayed the other team. Which is something. We haven't seen much this year. Exactly the way. The falcons got their first quarter. They started off with a six nothing lead. They had to lean on young way. Coup will talk about him and a little bit. They expanded that lead to sixteen to three by the time. They got into halftime By the end of the third quarter was really starting to get away from the raiders. At that point the falcons had. Let's see a thirty to three lead. And of course they expanded it finally to the forty three to six lead that ended up finishing out the game. What's funny is you know as we get into the stats from this game. You'll see that really. There's not a lot of guys that were dominant or impressive. For the falcons It it sort of was a well rounded effort in certainly. We'll talk about that in the second. But i do want to talk about the injuries situation. Coming in for the falcons coming in. They were missing too key players. And i think there are a lot of people that to your point evan. That felt like the falcons didn't really have much of a chance of winning. Because they were missing starting running back todd gurley within the injury which is troubling given his history of arthritis in the knees before and of course julio jones with the hamstring injury that reaggravated in the saints game last week he also missed the game so there were missing too key offensive players in this game. One tell us a little bit about Who else did not play for. The falcons in was inactive for the game. Yes oh for the falcons inactive obviously as you mentioned. Julio jones was not present as he's still dealing with that amstrad injury. That's kind of lingered on todd. Gurley with that knee injury It was it seemed like it was more of a matter of when not if 'cause seems like it flares up later in the season and it seems like it's flared up Grajales allison was inactive. He was dealing with an illness for much of the week Not sure what the illnesses. But it's not covid because he would obviously be on the covid list. So opiates better Cornerback tyler hall was inactive. Pretty much at healthy scratch. I would assume because he's one of the guys who keeps popping von it same with john wetzel. Nda not They're usually healthy and active. So that's the falcons. On the las vegas raiders side. Marcus mariota was inactive. Jalen rashard was inactive. Active john simpson was enacted. Daniel ross was inactive in cleveland. Feral wasn't active former first round. Pick for them. Yeah and farrell is actually one of their highest rated defenders on that The offensive line. He's their best run stopper even though he was drafted relate to be more pass rusher. Certainly that probably contributed but they didn't have a ton of injuries may at least not in the same way. That the falcons dude coming into this game So as far as injuries occurred that occurred during the game. The falcons did have a few and some of them ended up. Not being serious a couple of them were going to have to keep an eye Allama days kiss who dropped. What would have been a gorgeous touchdown. Pass for matt ryan early on the game. Suffered a toe injury in the first quarter. He ended up being ruled out by the time. The third quarter came along. Young coup His knee was injured on a field. Goal attempt In what ended up. Being a roughing. The kicker called extended the drive. For the falcons drive that ultimately ended up in a touchdown. So i'm sure. The raiders would want that playback he did finish the game however and he finished in spectacular style as a matter of fact Calvin ridley briefly went down with what looked like an ankle injury but i think he was back in two plays later so no concerns there and the injury. We're going to watch this week. Starting left guard. James carpenter went down with a groin injury. He was carted off which is never a good look So that one is a little bit concerning justin. Mcrae ended up replacing him there. I know some people were asking. Why didn't our backup. Center matt hennessy. Competing with him earlier in your left guard. Get the snaps. Anna believe justin but the was saying that they've pretty much have him cemented in as the backup center now again presumably saving hennessy for twenty twenty one where he will presumably get the nod as the starting center. Assuming that alex mack will not be back with the falcons given his age and the fact that his contract ends this year So the falcons do have some injuries zacchaeus carpenter we're gonna have to keep an eye on Coup and ridley. Their injuries did not appear to be serious though. Of course we will monitor that through the week before the saints game so evan. Let's talk about the stats. And what the falcons did offensively. Why don't you tell us about some of the key numbers in how these guys played on the offensive side of the ball. Yes so let's look at the top Matt ryan went twenty to thirty nine for hundred and eighty five yards two touchdowns a interception for a passer rating of seventy five point three Decent date for ryan. Nothing out ordinary look at rushing. The run game was pretty evenly split Know todd gurley so. It was pretty much ito smith. Brian hill all day Brian hill had thirteen carries for fifty five yards no touchdowns in ito smith had twelve carries for sixty five yards and a touchdown What's interesting about brian. hill If you follow me on twitter you probably already saw this by ryan hill When he gets ten plus carries in a game falcons. My vigneault gets a stat. That makes no sense because when you when you actually look at His attempts you know that. Go over ten yards. Those games like his yards per carry average lives like two point eight to three. So it's really not having a huge impact on the game at all and it really didn't today either but it's you know i mean i've known when he gets ten plus like that's a good sign i think it's more of a signed to establish the run But you know what you want In the receiving game calvin ridley led the day obviously know julio jones as we mentioned calvin ridley had nine targets. Caught six passes for fifty yards and a touchdown hayden hers to believe how to Last week against the saints four receptions for forty eight yards so he was the second receiver for the falcons russell gauge three receptions. Thirty four yards I expected to see a little more. Lamesa is today in eating only had one catch for eleven yards. And it's prising But brandon powell The falcons kick returner actually made offensive. Play had two receptions four yards and a touchdown so that pretty much sums up the falcons offense in if you wanna partner in as you mentioned too Was was a big player today. Yeah no let's let's talk about. I think this is a good time to do it because he clearly. The falcons were leaning on him early. on in. first. Half the first quarter they could convert these drives in the touchdown so he he netted them to feel goals but he ended up finishing the day. I think it was either four four or five or five and ended up sending our personal record with a fifty four yarder at the end of the game. So won't you tell us a little bit about what you did and help me get my stats right here. Yeah so in the first quarter This is coups kicks. He had a thirty eight yarder he then also had thirty nine yarder in then in the second quarter he had a thirty yarder In an twenty nine yard or in the fourth and also fifty. Four yarder Which was the last actual scored the game pretty much. But the game at forty three to six Yeah i mean he's having a tremendous season. I have to admit because i've been wanting a harsher critics of him in the past You know 'cause he did struggle with long field goals previously but this year. He's you know having a pro bowl season in. He deserves to be the. Nfc's pro bowl kicker. Even though yes and jesse guy solve a game isn't actually going to happen. to pandemic and stuff. But that's an accolade he at least deserves to have to address. Make make he's doing tremendous Yeah kudos to him he The falcons offense pretty much got him close to kick in that's what happened. He made them all even though he did have as you mentioned he had a player role into him in. There was some talk of the knee. And you know they kept showing it on. Tv him working out his knee and he still went out there and kept kicking. You know so good. He i think he deserves a ton of credit. And you mentioned in my mind. He absolutely deserves that pro bowl nod. Even they don't play the game is as you said he at least deserves that And it's really when you think about it. It's quite remarkable that americans were able to move from matt bryant a brief pit stop with vecchio back to map bryant and then ultimately coup. The falcons have had some pretty good luck with signing kickers. And i don't want to jinx anything but cool has been outstanding this year. I think maybe getting this wrong a believe. They said he has now hit twenty one. St field goals this year. Which is a fantastic stat for him. Just shows that You know he is one of the bright spots on this rather depressing season also pro bowl voting is open so if you are interested you can go. Vote for him right now online. Very good point. Yes you want. Obviously but yeah he definitely deserves it. Yes absolutely as for the raiders defense. They win the falcons score forty plus. We're not going to give him too much credit jonathan. Abrams did get the one interception of matt ryan today. It looked like a ball that bounced out of the hands or at least the shoulder pads of hayden hearst and got tipped ended up in abrahams hands so he does get credit for that. I think it was isaiah. Johnson that actually ended up tipping it to abram nicholas morrow got two pass deflections Trade molin had two pass deflections on the day. The falcons in a much better job of protecting matt ryan in the pocket linebacker. Nick kwiatkoski was the only one to actually get a sack on the day So again they kept him pretty clean and in total really. I don't think the raiders defense Was expecting what happened. And it's not even so much. That the falcons offense was dominant. I don't think that's really what happened. It was a combination of them. Getting some really good field position And just the not letting. The raiders get to ryan and giving him enough time in the pocket to get the ball out to take some You know some of the safe throws into make the game come to him instead of him trying to force it so most importantly they didn't shoot themselves in the foot. They i mean aside from that. One matt ryan turner right They were playing pretty well. Offensively And when they did slow down in the red zone it was enough for them to get a field goal. So you know that kinda went hand in hand with young too. Yeah exactly. I think this was you know when you look at a really the summary of this game. It's about the fact that a all three sides of the ball did their job. The falcons defense. I think arguably played their best game. Maybe we've ever seen in the dan quinn slash raheem morris era. I don't know that we've seen the defensive performance like this in a very long time And i'm not. Don't get me wrong. I'm not expecting to see this kind of defensive performance again but it was. 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People who get it. I predict a web address. Cdw dot com slash hp. I'm in your mind man. And we're back on the alcohol. Podcasts this dave walker. I'm joined by my partner evan. Burchfield we're recapping. The falcons dominant win over the raiders. Forty three to six week twelve of the nfl season. We've very talked about. What the falcons offense didn't this game. Evan wanna talk. About what the raiders offense or didn't do real this game. They came into this game. Let's let's be clear. His game with a lot of really good weapons. Derek carr has been playing an exceptional season. Darren waller is one of the best Receiving tight ends in the league right now. Nelson adler has had a bounceback season after having know really an up and down career in philadelphia and josh jacobs is one of the best young running backs in the league and yet in henry ruggs the third their first round draft pick is. He has phenomenal potential. Coming out of alabama. This is an offense that looked like on paper that they were going to tear the falcons. Apart in fact. I predicted that this was going to be a shootout because i just did. Not see the falcons defense could stop a raiders offense that had all of these pieces in place. So let's talk about what they actually did. Offensively so tell us about what. The raiders did As far as the stats. Qb wide receiver. Running back. yeah so. This is actually one of the worst Quarterback performances against the falcons issuer Even in games. Where the falcons won. It seemed like the other teams quarterback played. You know fairly well. But derek carr had a twenty two completions for two hundred and fifteen yards an interception a passer rating of seventy point one on nathan peterman. Who probably many people remember. Don't some interceptions in the past E- came in towards the end there. He went three for five for twenty five yards. Not at that point. The game was over. He was just right by playing. Backup or whatever. The big thing was josh jacobs like literally what shutdown had seven carries for twenty seven yards Defy i'd been saying it. And i know others have to the falcons Run defense has been playing pretty well Against some great talent like expected. Josh jacobs to at least get around sixty yards or more but i mean twenty seven yards like there's a non factor on the ground Hunter renfrow was their leading receiver. He had seven receptions for seventy three yards Rugs had three receptions for fifty six yards. Nathan out galore had five receptions for fifty four yards endearing wallers. You mentioned one of the better tight ends in the league. You don't get a nickname. Like waller the baller for or sections twenty three yards. That's nothing you know. Tremendous though yeah pretty much across the board. The raiders offense just nailed. Yeah and some of it was the raiders. But really this was about what the falcons defense did. And for the first time in a long time it really felt like this was a game where the defense was the big big factor in this win. It wasn't just that the raiders were shooting themselves in the foot. Certainly there was a bit of that. But the falcons were taking advantage Obviously dion jones had the one interception sixty seven yards. Return for a touchdown. Am i even remember when it happened. A flag went out. Everyone sort of assumed. Oh yeah the falcons are coming back. Being a flag against the raiders and everyone was sort of a. Wow that actually counted. We got a a pick six accounted for once So of course deebo with his incredible breakaway speed. There is nowhere close to him. A fantastic play Aj drill had a very good game as well he was fantastic and coverage and ultimately i think he is showing himself to be a true developing number one corner in this league. The falcons had several sacks on the day. Foyer lucon have one. Stephen means had one Jacob to ot mariner had one including recovering the sack in recovering the fumble that came from the sacks of phenomenal play from mariner in this game he was a big factor early on john kaminsky. ended up with one of the sax And he actually. I believe pressured. Derek carr into the dion jones interception in kaminsky is. Somebody i think falcons fans were keeping an eye on this year thinking okay. What is this guy going to do this year. Is he to start to turn into interior pass. Rusher and i will say this. We're starting to see him generate more more interior pressure. He did it several times in this game. He did pull in a sack. So this is sort of the things that you look for. When you're thinking about new regime coming in and players going to be a part of that new regime kaminsky. I think is starting to show a little bit So a guide to pay attention to as we close out this season And then finally tyler davidson than jalen hawkins a safety they combined for a sack they split that with point five each Ultimately just a fantastic game across the board from the entire defense denard means accounting. Neal was phenomenal in stopping. Plays in shutting them down quickly dion jones. Even though he had the the interception was phenomenal in stopping several. Plays short of the sticks So again just a complete all round effort from this defense that frankly we haven't seen in a long time in those forced fumbles lavoix reynolds got in one of it. When you start to get plays from backup linebackers who are basically special teamers. The game is really really going well for you day. Four stumbles they have four. On the day falcons defense had four turnovers. they recovered all the The force wobbles foia. Luke had one. Mariner have windows. You mentioned earlier. Stephen means have went. And of course as i mentioned just now the war reynolds had the fourth one so again completely dominant performance from z. Fence i can't get over it because it's not something we've been able to say in recent years evan. It's it's really sorta stunning and again. This isn't this was not the jets. This was not a browns team. This was a las vegas raiders. Team that has gone toe to toe this year and has beaten once. They've split their two game series with the kansas city chiefs. So you know. I want to reemphasize. These guys are trump's legitimate playmakers on that offense and we help them to six points. Six points the fewest. They've scored before this was sixteen against the browns and they won that game I mean yeah. They beat the heat the chiefs earlier in the season putting up forty on them Yeah yeah i mean. It's it's a falcons kind of victory. I mean didn't beat the saints in week two Yeah they did. Thirty four to twenty four. I mean i don't know like in folks also keep in mind. I know a lot of people are upset because of the draft. Pick thing but me and dwi's talked about it in the past. You don't want to be a team. You don't want your team to keep losing on purpose which they wouldn't do anyways but you don't want that that culture of being like you know i mean i know. The browns are good now but how. They've had that stigma about being just a terrible place free agents. Don't wanna go to losing teams right now. Probably the perfect example of that. Where losing is you know. Normalcy form We don't wanna be that but you know this is a good win. Enjoy it if you want. Be upset if you want regardless they beat a good team and for those who are worried about the falcons getting trade value of certain players. You need guys if you're thinking about. Hey they're gonna have to blow up the team. They're going to trade away those players. You actually need those players to look good and Certainly the entire team looked good today. So think of it that way. If you're a player that wants to if you're a fan pardon me that wants to look at this from the standpoint of what they're gonna do for the future this team you need these guys to look good on the field or else they're not gonna have trade value. They're not gonna get picked up by another team so at the minimum. Look at it this way. This was an audition for many players for other teams in twenty twenty one which can factor in into fix it can factor in to potential trades. And that's going to be a part of whatever this new regime chooses to do with this team. They have to have some capital in. That means having guys play well in this season to show that they have value Couple of things. I wanted to dress before we close out. This podcast week. I don't know where this came from It was a think in response to one of our writers. Kevin night kelsey from the atlanta falcons Mentioned dirk cutter had his parents actually got death. Threats presumably. I'm guessing within the context of learning this that they got the death threats. Because of what dirk koetter has been doing this year. With the falcons. And i wanted to say this. I am incredibly critical of dirk cutter. Most of us at the alcoholic dot com. In fact i'll probably say all of us at the falcon dot com believed that he needs to go as offense coordinator. I even in this game where they scored forty points. I do not think that he did a particularly good job in. I don't think he has done a good job at all for the entire season. That said please don't ever let your disdain for a coach or for a player or for people in the front office or who work for the team. Ever devolve to the point of issuing death threats. It just means that you're a piece of shit human being and you're taking this sport way too seriously in you need to find something else to do with your life These guys this is their living and yes. We can be critical infrastructure with what they are doing on the field. What they're doing and planning what they're doing from a coaching standpoint. All of those criticisms are valid. And we welcome him the minute you cross that line though You have lost us. Please don't do it it's stupid. It's immature and you're garbage human for doing it I just want to put that out there. Since that was address today on twitter from through kelsey and i just wanna put that Aside because as much as we love this game folks it should never result in that. Kinda nonsense also. What what do people expect their cutter to do like five himself that clicked. I mean like yeah. It's bad you shouldn't be doing sending death threats to anybody regardless of what they're doing but like what did you want him to do fire himself. It's the whole thing just makes no sense like people. It's a game game. Dirk cutter can be bad but also doesn't deserve death threats or his parents. Whatever it's sad hear were everybody's better than this or we should be. We should be baroness right to me. Yep evan any last thoughts on this game before we close out guests enjoy it. I don't know it's like in the large scheme of things You know we're not really playoff now under anything so but just like enjoy it. I mean forty three to six beating. Anybody forty three to six in the. Nfl is something to be excited about. That's i mean that's a beatdown. It's it is the kind of you and when you do you. Should it especially as a fountains fan. You should enjoy it up next week. We will be at home again hosting the saints. Who will still be without breweries They will still be starting presumably tastes hill assuming he makes it out of the denver game alive. But yeah we'll be back here next week to recap that game after obama gains. It isn't thousands. Wearing the wearing the black throwback there you go so something else to to now for. There's one thing to look forward to indeed throwing up running three touchdowns and zero passing game. We're not looking forward to that ari by won't you tell our listeners can find you what you've got going on. You can find me at twitter at burchfield also on foul colleagues dot com Usually doing the injury reports throughout the week. You know make sure you monitor them. Don't really pay attention to wednesday. Or whatever but like thursday and friday or tv. I gives us the best kind of insight into what's going to happen over the weekend because we saw with todd gurley we saw with. Julio jones hit was headed in that direction If you paid attention to it you would have seen. You know all the old with an illness and not not out there. He's been as guys. You can follow me on twitter at fox. Dwi updates on this podcast. Alcohol cod of course articles. Daily at the falcons dot com super. Evan burchfield. This is david walker. Thank you guys for listening. You talk with next.

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