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Helping Your Parents, College, and Running Blues: A Big Q&A Episode

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39:12 min | 4 months ago

Helping Your Parents, College, and Running Blues: A Big Q&A Episode

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Yourselves, that ritual Whiskey on during this conversation feels like one of those weeks, but maybe need the harder stuff to get to this one. So. To be clear up talking to Matt Tolman here, the CEO of complement and athlete and we'd brands And Not Matt Frazier, but yeah we are. Like everyone else stealing with. A really hard moment in in US history and and a lot of kind of unknown. Answers and questions and and difficult feelings around how we can sport the black community and how we can. Progress as a as a country. We thought long and hard about how to use this this space this podcast, and what was most appropriate. And so I think it's a good time to share. Matt Frazier Doug and I had a couple hours conversation this morning, and and we're really excited to make some changes going forward. Because as we were reflecting about the world, we're creating every day about our team about the voices that we're bringing into the world through our platform with no meat athlete. We decided that we could really benefit from the diversity of perspective that you get when you have diverse people on your team. So by the time you're listening to this, you might have already read in your email. That we're going to be making some changes in inviting some minority voices to join our team into contribute. Of course, our mission stays the same. We're going to continue to inspire and educate on the plant, based athlete and nutrition and lifestyle and everything else said that we love. Our Life's work at term mission. But like I say we could really benefit from listening and learning and amplifying a diverse set of resources I can say for myself, you know. Being a religious minority and being married to a Mexican you know I'm always benefiting from her perspective. My Wife's because she grew up in a very different world than I did so we really want to benefit from that and and again do our part to create a you know a team. A community that reflects this beautifully diverse world in which we live so. With that. We'd love your feedback We'd love to hear what you guys think. We could do better. To help solve this problem in in any others for that matter, but particularly we're thinking about our black brothers and sisters this week and would love to be able to use our platform to help them. Also thought long and hard about whether or not, we just needed to not publish podcast. Leave this space for those other invoice voices for other probably more important messages, and than the ones. We're going to be sharing today admittedly. But we decided that we want to continue with our regularly scheduled programing. Not because it's equally. Important! It's not we know that. You know not at this moment at least, but we still nonetheless, this is our life's work. This is our mission, and we need to continue on spreading the gospel of plant based nutrition, so we hope. Those listening will will support that decision, and and for those who don't agree. Yeah, you can stop listening here. Yeah, and like like you said we're you know we're in a period like hopefully most people. especially white people. I in a period of listening and learning in and trying to figure out how best we can, we can serve the community. And so if you have any recommendations, please don't hesitate to email us. You can do sport atvs Athlete Dot, com And and we hope that you know as athlete grows, and as we country that. You know the you'll see those those changes in that growth reflected in and the content that we produce. But like you said we going to carry on with a with a episode this week and we'll. We decided to do or when you we thought we had was to. Pull from the many questions that we get from. Listeners, we thought that that'd be a good way to kind of use. Our voice in the plant based athlete community to kind of. Help people out and live a healthier life and do the best we can with that, so we have a number of questions from the people have submitted either on social media or or through email and kind of kind of worked through some of those say. Let's get into it. Maybe if I could start a question that was just asked to me literally twenty seven minutes ago before we started recording. By one of our team members who I think as more new veganism, only three or four years, and has not yet had that conversation with his dad. Or for that matter, his mom I believe, but he's particularly worried about his dad I. It's it's a topic near and dear to my heart. My Dad had his first heart attack at forty eight years old. Obviously, he continues like most Americans who are in their seventies to suffer from some level of of heart disease. He's made a transformative attempt to fix his diet, but by no means has. He figured out the Vegan way now. I don't even know he wouldn't pass this plant based for some people's definition so. With that in mind, I would love to know I mean I'll offer some ideas. And then our teammate hopefully can become on the show one day, and tell us about whether or not this helped him, and how he approached ship, but Doug. If you had that conversation at all. Have you given any thought to it yet? I mean so. I mean of course. I have right I mean. Anytime Anytime, I go home to eat. With my family they you know there was that period such as I was transitioning. Why and then then the question of whether I'm GonNa. Try to push this to them as well and you know an have always. Taken the approach whether it's with family, members or friends or anyone of of kind of leading by example and and showing You know that it's not nearly as big of a deal as some people might think or that. I can make these simple changes. Now see some results from from that and you know and not be too pushy about it, but my dad. A couple years ago had a heart attack and and you know that was a very scary moment for for my family and. Of, course, the first thing I wanted to do was so in the switch up diet, and and we did have that conversation and a much more direct way than I had previously and so for me I. Guess The tips I am excited here. You have to say because I. Had this with your parents as well but For me the. The conversation goes a little bit like here. A bunch of resources I got him a couple of books that I thought he would he would. Appreciate, so here's some resources. Here's a little bit about why I think it might be a good idea for you to begin eating. More plants are going plant based or whatever. And and I want you to know that you can talk to you about it any time or I can direct you to a bunch of other resources I think that a lot of times parents and Spouses and friends don't necessarily like to hear from the person. They're closest with about how to do something or a big change that they need to make their life. You know it's hard to kind of take that feedback and respond positively. oftentimes you learn better at least what I found is that people learn better are more open to change when it comes when it's coming from someone else especially somebody with authority like a doctor or something like that so. My approach with my dad anyway was like you know, just give them a bunch of resources that I believed in. I kind of point, pointing in that direction and see where it would take him. And so far it hasn't been plant based it's. Great, great tip or not, because it didn't really work, but. He did cut out a lot of me. Did take some drastic changes drastic steps to improve his health and and I'm really proud of them for that, but it's not an definitely not one hundred implant base. Yeah I think your approach is probably better. Lake with most things in my life I go with the hammer approach. No honestly I think. Gosh I think when I first started hammering him with this information. It was so long ago. I mean six seven years that I. don't really remember how I started the conversation admittedly. Forks over knives which I think is a great primer for someone who has. Heart disease in particular And it's so sustained. It's under two hours and the visuals and the doctors and the before and after. I it. To Me I. think a much more effective approach. Than handing someone a book. You know because say. For me, you know sitting down and committing to hundreds of pages of information like you don't. You don't need that to get to get motivated. In my opinion you. You really just need those the striking visuals and and votive. Sort of storytelling. You can come packed into documentary, so my first recommendation would be you know picked the best documentary for that person. If you're dealing with an environmentalist, right like maybe cow, spiracy or earthlings. Might be a better option. You know you're dealing someone who? You know is of an older generation, maybe not as environmentally minded, maybe dealing with heart disease. You know like what the hell third forks over knives you know so, but I think documentaries would be the place to start and from my own. Experience! You Know I. Think I'm still trying to figure out what what? We're the liver is, and is it a disciplined thing or is it convenient saying I? Mean my my dad lives alone. He doesn't know how to cook. You know so and this pandemic moment. He tells me he surviving on like peanut, butter, and jellies and Avocado Toast. And then Obviously. We try to do our part to support them, so that'd be my second. My second temperatures as much as possible like show him the way because I swear, you know. It's hard for US vegans to really understand what like for the Non Vegan? It's like once you flip that switch. It's hard to relate to where you used to be. But so for those non Vegan. Like what do you eat? What are you survive on? It's like they don't. They have no idea how to cook. Keen Wa like. Just you know and so they think that you just eat peanut, butter and jellies, Avocado, toast, and so like for me. I think one of the most fun things that we do is is try to cook as much as possible for non Vegan. You know because like my wife's a great cook and I I'm not that bad. And I. Think when you create like this awesome butternut sage. Sausage beyond sausage. Pasta thing and like people like Holy Shit this Vegan. You know You know you see them. Light Up, and the world of possibilities stugz to be unveiled because all of a sudden. It's not just. PB and J. and Avocados, so those are my two recommendations cook from showing that this can taste awesome. And watching documentaries and then. Those are the seeds that you plant and then let them let them kinda grasp for more then. Give them more resources and take some can taken by the hand that's like. Minded approach and I've turned a couple. I'M NOT GONNA. Say That you know I'm the largest contributor to the Vegan movement, but I got a couple of friends and family members that have made the change, so. I'm proud of it. Good. That's great. Time, it's right. All right so I think we gotta power through more questions down with. Mad Fisherman I always have this problem. It's like we start out. Being big question though it was a huge question. Okay this one comes from Kerry, and it says I've been vegetarian for a long time and recently have gone Vegan also just started keeping track of my macro and I'm finding it hard to hit my protein without going away over carbs any suggestions. Take a stab at that. The first being. Contact Derek true size. Or maybe trying to treat size, never know. Derek is a great friend of no meat athlete our resident bodybuilder. And an expert, and all these things we also have some great courses on no meat athlete. Because I don't have a good answer. I am not a macro-trafficking Guy I know that's like crazy. Because I'm such a self experimenter, but every time I do it like I just I get burned out within like three days because it's just like I'm I'm so manic when it comes to these things like I really like. If you'RE GONNA, track it, you know you gotta like measure every serving in plug it in and like it's super time consuming I mean attracts my Mac of my son's macos because he's an eighteen month old vegan baby and I wanted to see that he was getting his nutrient. It takes forever so my approach. I'm trying to cut weight. You know. Set some broad guidelines which generally includes lots of fasting and just minimizing caloric intake. and to some extent to. You know different foods, maybe not as higher carb of as needed. Again eating more carbs earlier in the morning, more proteins and fats late at night. That's just my own philosophy and works pretty well. I can usually change my body competition pretty quick and trying to gain muscle. You know I just try to eat as much as possible I. Don't really ever look about fat carbs and protein. I know that heresy for you know someone like Derek, maybe even you. Doug, but but again for me. It's just like you're not going to be able to gain lean muscle. You GonNa gained some fat. Your body just doesn't work that way in terms of you know. Flipping switches and being that precise oh for me, you know. I try to gain a bunch of weight by eating a ton or lose weight by controlling my caloric intake. And, it works for me. Yeah! What about yet so? I, also have never never been one to track my macro. but I think some general guidelines are if you? Might not need as much protein as you as you think you need. To encourage you to go to play dot com slash macronutrients to kind of learn more about macro nutrient. cocky calculations and you know where we. What we believe is. You know is is accurate or appropriate for. For, play based athletes, and of course you know if you are trying to put on a lot of muscle if you are. Actively trying to get bigger than? You then you might need more protein than someone who is just trying to stay healthy, long-term or something. So I'M NOT GONNA. Tell you what your macaroni children's of, but you know you might be you. You're not. You don't actually need much protein as we thought, but if you if you are trying to really hit certain protein numbers. And there's there's a couple ways that you can do that. Of course, things like protein powder, quick and easy way to do that, but if you want to avoid the protein powders than you know Derek actually recommends this this shake that he eats every day that includes like a huge can of white beans. Every you know every day. There, he just puts that directly in shake. Apparently, white beans don't have a lot of flavor. I've never tried this but I after after his recommendation. If you've been. If you put a full cannon. The texture. But as with all things, smoothies right depends on what else is in there as far as. Taste goes, so you throw a bunch of black and ginger? You're probably pretty good. You know if you're like if you've got some. I don't know bananas or something like. You'RE GONNA have willoughby any beanie taste. Yeah well, I mean so. He is like a a bean. Shake every day and then I think. He said that for lunch. She has like half a block of Tofu on a sandwich. Just you know all bunch of things that are really high protein. But still health foods and low in carbs so there are definitely ways to do it. We have some high-protein recipes on the website. If you just search for out dot, com slash protein than are just search athlete, protein and Google then you'll get a bunch of great recommendations and stuff like that. That's all okay. Great. Hopefully we helped. All right next one from Kevin Kevin one of his main issues is b twelve and He supplement quote. Unquote B twelve with meat or fish He prefers that because it seems more natural to him. and otherwise totally Vegan. Kevin my recommendation is to take compliment I was one of the founders of complement and. And you know like I think we all have to decide. What's right for us and I certainly don't mean to promote complement. Sister Company. I do believe it's the best. Of Twelve, because it comes with really important, other nutrients that are missing from a plant based Diet. But any supplement you find out there. It's all coming from the same source, which is method Kabbalah a dentist Kabbalah. Different forms of in terms of being more natural or synthetic, but at the end of the day. The meat that you're eating is also supplemented, they give. Those animals, because many of them are only eating. Sawyer coroner other feed. They. Supplement livestock of all sorts with the nutrients that they want to pass along to the end consumer, so you know just like fish eats the algae, and they deposit the Dha and EPA in their in their flesh, and then you eat that like. We just cut out the middleman right. The the animal and go straight to the source of the micronutrient, and then put it into a liquid form or capsule form so again. teach their own to me. You know I I. Don't think the most natural way to live is is by harming other animals and would much prefer. Even synthetic form of a micronutrient, but hopefully that advice helps checkout love, compliment, dot, com, if you're interested, but any B twelve works just make sure to get somewhere. Yeah I got nothing announced. Add to that. Good because we gotTA keep rolling. Four questions this entire time. All right so I think we should tackle running next but first. Let's take a second to think sponsors. 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All right all right. Let's let's go back to question. This one comes from Nicole and says hey guys the podcast, but I need some advice I just moved to La this summer for Grad School, and I was never runner before that brand, maybe two miles and would stop, but some classmates talked me into running my first half marathon. Congratulations to goal. We had the race last weekend and I finished in two hours and forty two minutes and have been beating myself up ever since it was difficult course, but I still feel a bit defeated. Can't. Can't. Stop, comparing myself to others. All my friends who did it. I've just signed up for full marathon which I'd love to do, but I'm afraid. I'll get too much in my head and I've I've signed up for another half, but I'm still a bit worried any advice, so I think the question here is really like. How do you process a race? Not Going as well as you thought it would be going. Which is very very common issue for runners or any sort of athlete to have right? Is You have this vision of maybe finishing in a certain time? Going a certain way, and then you know. Maybe it doesn't quite pan out the way you you were expecting. Ended up in the hospital. Maybe you in the House with. You if you haven't listened to that story, that's a good one. We have a whole podcast about it won't retail it. You know. So I feel Unical. I have totally been there countless times, but first of all congratulations on doing that race. That is that is awesome. That is amazing. You went from interesting about you went from never being a runner to all of a sudden being a half marathon, and that is something to be so entirely proud of that first race at first half marathon. Experience is guaranteed to have some setbacks. I mean if it was a perfect race experience then. You know then the chances. Are you probably didn't run it fast and? Then not very likely to happen, so don't yourself about the time you can go back out there like you're doing. Which I which I love and try again. And you'll. You'll get faster my first marathon. was about an hour and a half slower than I thought it was going to be. And then my next one, you know a made up about an hour that time. still wasn't where I thought it was going to be ahead of the first one, but you know I began to kind of pull that together. Pull things together and from that I experience. You'RE GONNA. Learn from that first half marathon. You'll get faster on the second one, and if you decide to go out and run marathons than I think that's awesome. Don't get too much in your head. Just trust your training. Trust the process. Trust the fact that you know things are oftentimes going to. Not Go as planned and they're just a learning experience to prepare you for the next one. Yeah to that you. Know Like I said I think be grateful for the journey and be proud of yourself for taking that step, and and be thankful you. Didn't you know break something and wind up in the hospital. which I understand maybe less likely when running I was on a bike, just for clarification and. Like I tripped and like you know. I guess that does happen, so but yeah, you know. Celebrate celebrate the small wins. It's all about progress. Yeah. All Right, here's one from Harrison How do you maintain a Vegan lifestyle while going to college? Depends on where you go to college. I went to college in Texas and I was a vegetarian. I became a vegetarian when I was a teenager. Actually my family lost an uncle to cancer and is part of his battle We were all exposed to sort of raw veganism as a part of of cancer treatment. And the lessons like literally watching forks over knives, and as a you know seventeen eighteen years old. Right. Now. There's another documentary, but anyway. Yeah I'm blanking on the name. But Gerson institute I remember I can picture it still but I don't remember what the documentary was. But, anyway Yeah I just I always remember gone to these barbecues in Texas, and. I just read the Bun without the meat. And just like. The end of the day like most people are drunk in college, anyways, they don't really pay attention. But I was definitely the weird kid with almond milk. You know and and just didn't like yeah didn't eat what other people eight and I just kind of lived with that. I don't have really good advice. I've always been someone who doesn't really care what other people think. I know it's not easier. It's easier said than done. What about you? Any any thoughts I guess? My my only advises like. Just, try to hide it. Go with the flow. You know, show people. That's not that big a deal. You'RE GONNA, you're gonNA, eat and they're gonNA they're gonna eat, and you guys can be friends. Yeah I mean I think that. It is tough and. Vegan vegetarian when when I was in college. It's hard to say for certain, but I imagine that. Probably College campuses are much more being friendly and they used to be So! That's probably huge. I guess it depends on where you're going, but If you're a freshman, you're probably GONNA eat most meals in the in the cafeteria, so. Learning. What is Vegan on the Salad Bar? What's begin on the different meals how they have veggie burgers or other things, and then? Having much snacks senior in your room. nuts and seeds and Almond milk and Granola bars, and anything else lots of fruit, and all those kinds of things to kind of tide. You over between meals if If some of the snacks, maybe your friends or eating or are not Vegan, but I. mean. It's probably hard I think you're right. Matt, that just kind of letting go of of judgement from. Your classmates. And just embracing the fact that you eat a little bit different, but that there's probably a lot of the at your campus and. Found some of them and became friends with them. That might make you feel a little bit better. And you know if your school is not very big. Friendliest cafeteria is not very friendly then. I would I would imagine that if you. If you got a bunch of people together and kind of a bunch of other vegans and began rallying around. Diversifying the menu in the cafeteria or on the campus options. that. You might be able to see some real changes there. I mean a lot of I know that there was a ton of activism around certain issues on my campus, and and they were able to really see. Really see changes, so could work. Great Advice. There's undoubtedly some vegans on your campus. There's go hang out with them. Makes it easier. Totally. Yes do it. How about How one from Jennifer who has been vegetarian for many years, and over the past couple of years has tried to go completely Vegan. But she runs into. Some challenges. And doesn't quite make the full the full transition Do we have any any advice for going from Vegetarian to Vegan I? Guess we kinda already cover that the start. Maybe sounds like they've already made that that. That I. Do you have any thoughts to help complete? To complete the journey. Yeah. Yeah I mean I. I would I would say start start pretty small. Take some small steps. If you're already vegetarian and that means you've you've done? A, lot of the more difficult work at least for me, which was cutting out. Some meat although I. Guess a lot of people have trouble with cheese and eggs, so it's kind of the one that people complain about which. So I would start small and see if you can you know, be Vegan before noon or something like that. Make sure your breakfasts. Vegan. See what you can do to eliminate some of the non vegan food, so you're having early in the morning, and then just kind of begin to transition that over time when begin from Vegetarian, I did a the at home at begin which meant again of freed me up to. not have to worry about restaurants and going out with friends and things like that. But I just made sure that everything in my house and everything was eating at home. Was Vegan and what I found was that after a month or so doing at then I, just kind of naturally transitioned to. Ordering Vegan options at restaurants and elsewhere and kind of naturally transition to being a Vegan so like, but but kind of having that perimeter and taking that step to do at home. Didn't seem nearly as big believers, just going all in begin in kind of gave me some some free freedom and leeway. That I needed at the time. So yeah, I mean. Take start small assists kind of my vice. Yeah I think that's a great idea Ed's. I was GONNA. Say Create Simpson attainable goal. You know whether it's like just a single food item like you you just you know you love ice cream, and that's your pitfall you know like. Tell you something. You'RE GONNA. Need all the ice cream you want, but it's GonNa, be Vegan kind because there's awesome vegan ice creams out there today or like you said. You're going to be Vegan dinner a dinner. You know you're GONNA. Forgive if you if you haven't made it. A. Day, but you had a come back to the Mike Matt. Sorry I forget. Headphones and you know so used to pacing sorry. So so. Thanks. So. Also like you said Vegan until dinner, and then you know, give yourself some some self love. For dinner if you if you eat vegetarian. Or like you did. You know just just keep at home, but some sort of boundaries some sort of goal that you can hit every day to get some momentum feels like a a great way to start. Cool well I think that's a good one to end on. We have a bunch more questions and it's been a while since we've done a cuny like this, so maybe mad, frazier or Julia. Maybe we'll. We'll tackle some work units in the future in the near future. But thanks, thanks for doing this and thinks everybody for many questions. You can always do that just email, sport, athlete, Dot, com, or this up on twitter or instagram or wherever? and. We'll keep an eye out for that, so thanks everybody for listening thanks for. Having this Combo. Thank you.

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A Look Back at 10 Years of No Meat Athlete

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1:16:08 hr | 1 year ago

A Look Back at 10 Years of No Meat Athlete

"This episode of nomad ethic radio is brought to you by woop the performance tool. That is changing the way people track their fitness and optimize, their training through a wrist worn, heart rate, monitor that provides analytics, and insights on recovery strain and sleep. Learn more in dot com. That's W. H O, O, P dot com and use code no meat at checkout. A fifteen percent. Hi. This is help Kareem. Hi, this is Katie from Washington DC near less, no meat radio. Doug. I have some big news for you this past was last week in preparation for mother's day. I temporarily lifted my lifetime, boycott of REI and set foot inside the empire. You have to outside, I opted inside the store. Yeah. Out of my own house, and then into their out into their thing man of at those magical moon for, you know, it was it was a stressful moment. I didn't like it in there. I I don't it's makes me feel nervous. There's all these weird people around that don't, don't. You know, laid back man, like I know like man with. You what are you up to this weekend? That sort of thing. The measure that super hard for you. Venar. I think I was okay. I think I blended in enough didn't didn't I was able to speak with plaid or. Greybeard out rented a Subaru good. What did you get what I went in there shopping for hiking boots at believes the word for them. Because Aaron one of the pair those for, for her mother's day or her birthday because they're very close to each other. And she often hikes with the kids in fact, one of her New Year's things this year was that she was going to go once per month. Some new place to do a hike with the kids, cool, which is good for me because I like to see them do that. And I like to have a Sunday afternoon or just kind of just me around and it's good. Because you do not like having I do know hiking is one of my favorite things that you can do. I've done it a few times. And I don't like it ever just not just not good. I can I can get into running trails because then you're doing something you're trying to accomplish something hike. I just I don't I just don't get it, but not to judge those who do. It's okay. So anyway did that it was fine. People were nice there and this happened last time I went in there. I was expecting it to be this just have this picture of that company is evil corporation in my head, and, and they're really not very nice. Because I talked myself into it they had this big billboard. You've probably seen this, the billboard near route forty or maybe it's tunnel road. And it's their big thing in its as day in day out and out. And then finally the cross out today at the bottom and right off outside, and then do logo and every time I see it, it makes me so mad that they just assume everybody thinks outside is better than inside. I just hate it. I just it's like if you. Like it's just an attack people like indoors better. It's just it's just like I don't like it. Wow. You're really passionate about this. I am passionate about this. I don't I have. No. I don't mind people who like the outdoors better. But I don't want people who would go around say, putting billboards that this is my, my opinion is better than your opinion. Like what if it was like Mexican food Italian what if it was an apple or olive garden at and it said? And it's a Mexican food Italian. What if you and you were someone who really like Mexican food, and it said, next food Italian food, Mexican food Italian and then it finds prostate Mexican food. Instead, Italian basically implying Italian food should be every night. Mexican food has no place in that opt for Italian food olive garden. You take that you say those people are, are there. I mean they didn't cross out every single. I know exactly what Bill talking about. Then. Not every implication, is, let's cut out these things these inside days, we implication, is that an outdoors company is encouraging you to go outdoors. At the cost of insulting people who don't mind now doors that much. But like the indoors, you know, you know, met, and we haven't him brought up to black Friday thing, which is my real reason for aiding them. Back friday. And that's a perfect example. They take this thing that some people actually like and say, we're gonna make a big statement about how bad is, is, including probably many of their customers or small businesses that depend on black Friday, one of which is no me nothing. A lot of their customers are probably small businesses who need back Friday. Yeah. There are bad company. That's that's. I. Well, you said you were you were going to have a downward. I forgot to set it up like that. This is this is my this is bringing back downward facing, Doug man, you, you said you were going to do that in talk about REI no idea. You really this passionate about it. Thought that someone who's gonna have made fun of your shoes or something. Said your plan wasn't read enough but. Man, I had no idea. And I just I got a I got to say, I think your way overreacting. Well, I'm playing it up a little bit. But. It is. I do have these thoughts when I go by that billboard, and I do legitimately, get upset about, you know what it is. I am a moderate and everything. I don't like people having it Binion's about it. I like people to saying it's okay that you think that way because that's different than how, I think, and that's cool. But I don't you know, but I don't need to billboard for it says the vegan activist to says the begin activists who is not the typical one who doesn't like we talked about last week. Yeah, exactly. We don't we don't like to wear a billboard around the neck about it, but I don't like to tell me but they should be vegan and all I can say you should do this because I don't know if they should I think I should. But I think everyone should do what for them. I don't like taking a stand. I'm spying this. I guess you could say politics, I like to be in the middle to see both sides, anyway, this was all this was this way down. I just like. Don't even know what to say about this. I'm so caught off guard someone who goes to REI is free time just to wander the one you deals. Every every Friday night, I go to I, I do want to say, I don't I don't mind the people who work there. In fact, I know someone who works here. I don't I don't think liking outdoor like I said, I don't think liking outdoors is a bad thing. And I don't think Arias bad thing. Well, that's not true. I think is a bad thing. I don't think I don't think wanting to go shop for that sort of. Hobby is a bad thing. That's fine. So you got to say this, when last little thing, if you hate area so much, there are dozens of outdoor stores in Asheville that don't have now and I went to them all first and they didn't have needed to get. They didn't have hiking, boots election. I went to had to go to the big box, eventually had to. That's a good point. Well, I hope he became a member at least save twenty percent. We are members Aaron's member or a what's their euphemism for member that makes us better. That's, that's not a euphemism. But. We get a dividend each each because we're all we're all we're all I'm sure heart owners in the company. I'm sure we are. Yeah. Sir, you, you get a vote. You can you can vote for the president of the company, you should you should run for it, and then do a campaign against the out inside. I think you're right. Hi. We probably spent too long on this with absolutely and probably offended every single employee that we have listened to it, which is probably most of REI. I love. I just throw that out there. I, I like to support the local institute, but it feels good going in there to me makes me happy with that. You know what I did? Endeared them to me a little bit was. Seeing that acts thing and saying that they started when they was group of whatever one thousand nine hundred climbers. Came together to order, nice axes, or whatever they are picks that story about them. I don't know. Doing the sales catches. Dirt says we started when people got together got money pulled together to get a good deal on picks or whatever they are climbing, and then eventually grew into whatever. And then it said something like, we're now the world's largest co op, but we still hold the same values which I decided to be funny sentence, because like. You can't. But. So negative. Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. I know this was all going to be a good fun. I wanted to bring back. So this is our quote unquote, tenth anniversary episode that we're doing because nobody daddy turned ten years old in March lash couple months ago. But we haven't really gotten around to celebrating until now these publicly and we wanted to do an episode to sort of just go talk about the history of the podcast, and where we'd been and where we're going we're, we're going, but where we've been and we thought one of the ideas was, let's, let's do a new one of every segment we've attempted to do whatever we thought of a little game or something that we did regularly, or tried to do regularly. None of which really lasted. We said, let's go back and do one of those and one of them was going to be downward facing Doug, which is a great name for a segment, but you're not not to be a good segment, because it was tug fashion corporations that he didn't like so. So in that way mine was perfect. I know of fit in pretty well that I'll let you know, usually mine's like a customer service issue. And you like move us on after about thirty to sixty seconds. Anyway, what you're going to do. What are you? Yeah. So, so we're bringing down facing Doug, which was down facing Matt today. And then there's a there's a couple more that I guess I don't know. Should we should we just drink driven mainly? Let's just drip, not solely. I don't know what you have. But I have none other prepared. I don't think. What did you eat last night? That's a good one. No one's planned with. That was a good segment. We should always do that. And then and then ducts. Did you know that coming classic segment? Yep. You don't have a Matt things. Matt doesn't know do you things. I always talk with every time I got excited about something like Mets, not gonna knows no way you knew it. Although that was like during the short phase of your life where you were reading up on politics and. Loosened that was, I was going to be more in touch. Yeah, that didn't work than than your spineless. It was right. I got to upset about the news always being on one side or the other. Really, don't wait that stuff. Okay. To know what people think of, you know, like, like, not what they think of you. But like what, what they picked your met in their hill, what? Sorry put up for a second. Oh, I would love to know what, what listeners like, when they envisioned, Matt Frazier, what are they an envisioning? I hope they picked someone who's perfectly moderate and doesn't try to push buddy. Probably so. Anyway. So what, what we're actually going to do for the bulk of this episode? We don't really know we're going to talk about the history this podcast. We're going to look at talk about some of the things we've just some of the fun, things that have happened or, or that we liked specific episodes, that are worth quick. Revisits. And so on. Yeah. So I mean, I think we should start with the where the birth of this podcast. Yes, we should do that. And the podcast was is not ten years old. That's why it's quote unquote at the anniversary podcast started October twentieth two thousand eleven according to itunes was the first episode. So that would make it. What does coming up on eight years old this year, eight years seven and a half? But that's when it started. It didn't really we had we had only to episodes that year five the next year. You only had to that I guess it was just the last couple of months, but. And five the next year. Wow. So where are they? I think there's one missing episode it somehow that's not on June's. It's a secret Robert cheek episode. I don't know why I didn't get on there, but the fourth episode, I tuned says, nobody, I think radio episode five so there was a it was a Robert cheek went in there somewhere. That is lost. Interesting. It is interesting. But anyway, that was that was when I did it with Ben Bonilla's, who was the guy who worked little work with me. And then we said, let's start this podcast and it kind of fizzled out he, and I just didn't really make them. And then, ultimately he ended up just going to do something else. But it got revived. I kinda thought that was the end of it. And then Doug you, I don't think it was probably maybe knew you were going to be moving to town to Asheville. Did you already know that when we started the pilot when we say, we're going gonna think so because we did it in DC for a little while for a while. I would say, yeah, we definitely did a few or several that were that were on the phone with him in person. And they were probably so bad. Why remember, once we remember we sat down once trying to do an impersonal number that I ever impersonal, and it was the so weird. We scrapped it. I think yeah. I just remember it was a dour to of kind of just doing it and then maybe nothing came of it. Yeah. Interesting little side note is when you hired been I applied for that job. And you didn't hire me, this interesting had we. Isn't that right? Yeah. That's that is right? I remember that. But had we you hadn't started working at all with no doubt for the event thing man. No. No. And actually, I was. Because when we were working on tenth anniversary stuff I was kind of go down memory lane. Trying to come up with some unique fun content for different, blog posts and stuff. And try found I E mail exchange together. When I applied for that job you had like posted something on, on probably on the blog and just said, right had little description about it. And you the we put together a WordPress, the applications to put together a WordPress site, and like talk about yourself. And so I sent that to you, and I didn't get that job. But in there, I had mentioned doing some planning stuff in DC and, and you said, you know, I've been thinking about an event maybe reach out to you later in a few months. Later is booming reached out. Okay. So we had been before that, though, because we met at these Yvette chest. That's right. And what with? What we the word for what you did to me in the parking lot fan. Boyd. Did a cost you're leaving. And I saw I saw somebody in a character that looked kind of like that. And I was like, I think that's man in Katie. My wife said you gotta you gotta go talk to. I was like, no, she's like do it. And so, like ran over there super awkward caught. You feel like you re like even getting in your car when I yeah. I think probably. And we touted very awkwardly for a few minutes about your running and stuff. And then yeah. So that was the first time we met, you probably thought it was an awful person. Now I didn't see those days. I mean, and even now recognizes you is cool, right? It's like it's it's it. Maybe not flattering, but it makes you feel good like you're doing something. So that was good. I didn't didn't think that was weird at all. But then I think we must have kept knowing each other from blog comments and things like that. Yeah. I think that's true. I know that's true. Well, unlike Twitter Twitter until he that because you, you knew at the time I had a book called the hey, Doug. That's right. And in the. And it just kind of talked about everything random anything ahead on my mind in the application that I sit here in that exchange. You spotted. You said, I just realized your last names. Hey, and finally, the hey, say makes sense. Thought that was kinda funny. Hey, so you who we have to thank for this podcast. Existing. But that was not the only time it almost ceased to exist. Because so we did. I don't know a looks like maybe about twenty episodes or so. But then they were coming, really slowly. We got your point, what we were doing only one per month or maybe that was the goal that we kind of revived it with. Yeah. That was how we reacted. We said about one per month. And I'm only getting this from looking at I tunes, and the dates but. We did that. And then at some point I don't know if we were slowing down from even that or if it just wasn't feeling like it was happening. But you can see very clearly if you look at, like one a month, and then after April twenty it becomes two a month for a couple of months, and then suddenly in September there are. Eight of them. So I guess we decided we're during the week all of a sudden. Oh, that's, that's typical is ideal and then to not to over and then like six or seven and eight in September. And only two inactive. So who knows what we went, but I know I didn't know what happened in, in there before the September thing happened was when it almost died because it was sort of not happening. It was just we were not. We were doing it and we were finding because we're sticking to our once a month plan looks like we're doing a lot of interviews as well. But we just wasn't seeming worth it. It was a lot of effort at that time because when you're doing something not very frequently. Just every time you do it. It's a lot of effort. And I went on this little this little soul-searching trip that now and then we'll go take and this one I went to. Beaufort, South Carolina. You familiar with that town, Doug I am. I'm headed out that way and a couple of weeks. Okay. Not to be confused with Beaufort, North Carolina. Nope. No not. No confusion. Good. But anyway, I went there for four days with nothing to do other than right? Listen to some podcasts kind of thinking about work and stuff. And I happened to read Seth Godin book, the dip then and his whole thing was about either you start something knowing you're going to stick through when it's not fun. Or you don't start at all. And no matter what even on a project that is successful. You're going to go through the dip where it's not fun. Everything's going to have that the bad stuff and the good stuff. So don't quit during that part. Because you don't even know if it's going to be good yet. Right. So. I was reading that. And then I said, well, well, little too late for that because we already started this without making that decision. But I said, starting now, we should either really actually go for it and give it a good chance to go. Or would you just quit it and the quit? It was actually the opposite order. I said, we should quit this thing, and I said, or maybe we should actually just really go for it and give it a chance to become valuable to us and become something that people like and so I don't know how the decision got made. I probably I came home and talk to you about it and said, hey, look, here's, here's the decision button. Then we said, we're gonna really do it. And that's when that was right before September happened. Probably yeah because we had none in August. Made a month off. And then we did all those so. So. That's actually the last time we almost quit right? Yeah. We have twenty fourteen I think that's I think that's right. And it's I will say that, like as priorities, and things have shifted with. Nobody athlete as a whole and we've grown, we've expanded and focused on the kademi and focused on all these different things. The podcast has at least the past couple of years. There's just been a tried and true every single week just about. You can expect it. It's going to be either you and me or you mean a guest, and that, that has really good to have the consistency there. Yeah. I feel the same way because a lot of times. So as everyone probably knows my nobody ethics started with me, writing, blog posts, actually, maybe everybody doesn't that. But it was just all writing block writing was what I did. My work was writing. It was not podcasting. So as the bog post slowed down after three or five years just because they kind of had to. That's when the podcast kind of got going and never got going like full head of steam, it just started just kept going every week. Just a new one. And so I often have this like, Pang of guilt feeling like, wow. I don't do any content anymore. I don't write anymore. And that's you know, I still like to. About this, but it's just hard and I ended up doing other work things. And I often feel like I don't do any continent anymore. And then I remember that nearly every single week for the past who knows how many years has actually been on this weekly rhythm. We've put our buddy has, and I think that's that always makes me feel good about myself. Not nice feeling good person. So moderate person may, but guess exactly. No, no. I absolutely. And. And it's just. The we, we have we have some insight into downloads embers at that you're gonna say just in general, just insights. Little bit of like this is we have a little bit. And we also do a lot of talking about nothing. We have a little bit of insight into download numbers, and that kind of thing, but, you know, but really like we're kind of just putting this out there. We don't know nearly as much as we know we're putting post out or something like that. And. But you know, kind of feels. Okay. I don't know why there's some reason that's a little bit freeing in right? Because we do know some people are listening. And we know that advertisers are interested in that kind of thing. And so that to me is enough to say we should to get excited about it, right. Yeah. I think I mean I'm guessing I'm starting to realize that we're kind of unique among podcasts because I think so many podcasts that have reached a level of popularity like that. That is their business thing that that's their business platform, and ours, isn't the podcast. Is this extra thing that we've done forever, and it has become a decent sized part of the business as far as like you said, it's hard to know the numbers, right? We because see downloads, but we don't know how many who actually listen. I mean you can go figure things like that. But when we tried it's you'd come away with very little actual insight compared to if you go to Google analytics, you see how many people view blog posts every day, how much time they spend on them which posted. Reading I mean, you could just get much more efficient, and there's comments, and there's links and all that stuff doesn't really happen to podcast very much. So ours is interesting. We just keep doing it like am. I think somebody we do have no advertisers for a couple weeks or months. Right. We do because we don't really actively seek them out very much. But we don't really even though since we don't usually say, we're let's, let's this isn't worth it. We just gonna stop it just kind of this side part of the business that we just keep doing, and people keep listening to, which is cool because I really think that's, that's the thing that is most special about the podcast to me is when I go to events, whatever the cruise or vegan retreat, kind of thing that I'm speaking at or just like the random interactions that you might have with someone who knows that brand the people who are the podcast listeners are the ones who really, really like an appreciate the brand, and get it and feel like they know you and all that. And it used to be that way with the bog. But then once the pike has happened. It just I don't know could people, I think are, are way more. I don't know. If passionate is the right word because you could probably be just as passionate and be reader. But somehow when, when you get in, and I know this, too, when you get in the habit of listening to somebody's podcast, and you do it for an hour forty five minutes or whatever and pretty much on a weekly basis, not to mention if. Join now and you find two hundred seventy back episodes, which allows you kind of do it every day for a long time. You just start to really feel this this connection to the person doing it. I felt that way for sure. With notes in Spanish, you just you just feel this connection. And I think it's just from being having having someone be in your ear for forty five minutes. It just feels like they're your friend talking to you in the car for a little great and that's probably it is, so anyway. That's, that's what the podcast is to us. That is what it is. And it is what it is. No. But it's something we, it's something I get a lot of joy from. And, and I like you were saying, there's, it's so cool when we put an episode like last week's episode about. About going begin. There were a number of tweets that we got people that, you know, appreciate it our approach, and it's just like like a, it's a vulnerable thing to talk for an hour about something and put it out in the world. And, and it just it's nice to know that people can connect to that. Yeah. And as we kind of said, maybe this is. Just saying the point you made times. But without you don't like with a blog post, when you read it boggles that hits a nerve or did upsets people, you, you just hear all about it. And you just you just do with the podcast. It's just not like that. I don't know. I mean you always tell me that we get tweets about it, and I know we get a few, but it's like for the most part, I have no feedback into whether these episodes are working or not other than when I see people at that places, and they say, hey, I really like the podcast. So I think that's what's like you said, kind of freeing or something about it where like you know, although there is that bone ability of just doing it. Once we did it ten times. We just put them out now. And like I don't think about that episode again for the most part because I don't hear about it again. And so it raises if you're if you're putting yourself out on the bog, you'd be checking for comments and. Yeah, exactly. And somehow, it's just different. You just like you don't do these for the purpose of seeing what the feedback is, which may be the purpose of writing either. But it sure feels like that. Sometimes we don't you just do you know it's kind of interesting. I've never thought about before is these are. Well, sometimes we plan them a little bit, and take some notes, but, like there's so much less edited than post. So, you know, in a blog post were paying attention to every single word, we're saying, especially on something that might be controversial or something like that. And here we're not yet. We don't worry about it as much. Yeah. I know. That's true. I think probably it's because to me at least the people who I think will actually listen deep enough into an episode to get upset about something are people who have heard you for hours and hours and aren't going to be still listening, if they don't like your are the type of person who you know gets offended by you whereas with blog post I don't know it just seems like anybody can navigate over that or find it or linked to it. And then you go people who have never heard of you before and are suddenly reading reading your stuff. Right. And I just feel like this is a more comfortable environment. I think. So anyway, that's podcasting. So I think we should revisit some of our, I don't know. I picked five or six episodes, here that could be fun to do update on or revisit some smoke passively. So I think we I think we should do that. Maybe I we should take a minute to talk about whoop though. I think there's a good idea as the past few months have been this episode of radio is brought to you by woop. They performance tool. That is changing the way people track their fitness and optimize, their training, woop provides a wrist worn, heart rate, monitor the payers to their app, the provides insights on recovery strain and sleep. And even camping. Right. That's right. Yeah. We haven't talked about my trip last weekend, but I went to a music festival with my whole family and it rained for forty eight hours straight, just mud everywhere, wetness everywhere. But, but whoop was tracking the whole thing. 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To learn more about the band app and insights, visit whoop dot com. That's W H dot com. And when you're ready to get started use the code no beat at checkout to save fifteen percent and help support the show. That's right now, you've had a lot of rain on your parades this year. I have had so many so much rain. It's everytime, I do something big like rains. Now, didn't you know what rain during your one hundred mile or a little bit? But then during a maybe training, run you did it just rained cats and dogs all day. That's right. I had a really, really super wet training, run, right. One hundred mile was pretty wet. I last time I went camping which I guess was at the end of last year. Everybody in the hometown was evacuated once this year. Yeah, that's right. Parts of town. We're about you. I know it's been a wet it's been a wet year. I've had a lot of a lot of rain. But, you know, you know, so this is common shooting. Interesting side, topic here. Okay. And about the inside outside thing we were. Know we're at this music festival, where it's only, like, ten miles from room, so we could have gone home at anytime. Like, and we're with a couple of the families, and everyone in the back of the mind is like, are we really going to make it through this thing? Or, or is everyone eating to start bailing. But the kids just did great. Everyone was having fun. Yeah. The kids were just like into it like didn't care about the rain didn't care about the mud. We're just I mean it was as if the rain wasn't even happening. And we, we were talking when one of the nights after everybody went to bed we were like, man. That was really surprising. How how much they didn't care about the rain in the mud and all that stuff. And. And really, it was way better to be here, then at home, we would have stayed home and not going outside because it was raining, and then we like asking ourselves. We're like, why is it that when it rains, we just assume we should stay inside? Right. Whereas when you're in a situation where you can't really go inside. No one really cares. It's raining. I mean it would have been better that it wasn't raining. But like no one really made a big deal out of it. Of course, I agree with that actually I think I've wanted, like when the kids get complaining about being with which they shouldn't, because like you said, their kids and kids should just run out in the rain. But like in three weeks, we're going to be going to the pool, and they can't wait to go get wet. So it's not that different. I know wearing their normal clothes and everything. But really, it's not that different. I mean, it's, it's not like you're freezing cold. Maggie's, you could be. But it's not like you have to be it just there's no reason. The rain is has speed terrible. Right. And you can change because yes for life outlook attitude that. Yeah, really important. And what was cool, I think was because everyone knew those new escaping. Right. You knew you were going to get wet, right? And your new like yeah. What you've got resisting. And it's, it's yeah. Like a tree that never breaks if it's a flimsy, right? It's the brittle thick tough trees at break. Totally, like the first time like for the first several hours, the mud just got increasingly worse about that. We can of course, because there's thousands of people walking in fields that are. In several inches of rain coming down. But, you know, for like the first while, you know, you're kind of tiptoeing around the puddles, and trying to avoid everything. And then there becomes this point where you're just like screw it. I there's no way I'm going to be able to avoid this weekend, and it was so freeing to just like, let it go and be like, I'm just going to walk in the mud, and that's that. Yes. Agreed. So before the when there were no indoors. That's that's how it was. I think. Right. You probably just didn't care. Yes. I was keeping ever. So you just raise it. So anyway, good argument for the outdoors and other way. I don't hate the outdoors. I still like if I'm going to soccer game or something with my kids, I love being outside in the nice weather, and I could go concerts. I'd go to camping it's just that I just get bored with these outdoor activities, people act like are just the best thing ever. That's, that's the main problem with the outdoors. And my main problem with aria. Case thrown. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Teach we don't even make billboards about it. We just just when it has been. All right. All right. Enough. All right. We're officially lost a future REM sponsorships. That's what you. That's all right. All right. So what else let's revisit some of the episodes that you've handpicked as, as our best, the ones that people should go listen to you right now. What that's not what I said. I didn't I didn't say these best, but I was just looking through the list of our top downloaded episodes. And. In just kind of thinking, it'd be interesting to revisit a little bit. And one of them was. Improving ourselves. Are we improving yourself too much? Yeah. That was good one. That was a good one. That was interesting topic mantra recap recap in thirty seconds left. So our whole podcast has been typically, I think about either diet, or fitness or habits all of which are sort of a form of self improvement. Particularly the habits. But fitness, as well and even the night and I read a book that I forget the name of by now. I don't them. But anyway and an article in the New Yorker and it was about just how this whole self-improvement movement had gone off the rails. And like with now the bio hacking and all the data we have it just kind of has gone too far. And the question was in this article that the asserted actually was that doing this is making us worse, not better, making us less happy, not happier and less fulfilled. And all that. And so it just sort of shook me up a lot to, to kind of read this kind of believe it, and I read a book about it, but these guys kind of did some experimentation anyway, it was about that it was it was questioning why do we even bother trying to make ourselves better? And it got some response got to Email sent by people not not to angry things, but just people who were who were also shaken up that I did not like that idea. Do you. How are you feeling about it? Now. I would say, I am definitely different. It has changed me not that episode, but that that whole week or two where I was just thinking about that reading, but that like it has definitely made me feel differently about that stuff. I we that is what kind of launched us into now going on a year or more. Talking about doing things just for the sake of doing them and kind of, you know, when there's no obvious future, payoff to this investment you're making with your time, like, why would you do it? And we've, we've kind of landed on the answer like that's the point. The point is to do things like that, because otherwise why are you really here? So you could disagree with that, obviously. But I don't know. I to that's that has become my attitude, much more. And I still have lots and lots of things that I tried to do for the future, obviously, because I like those things, but I, I have some more balanced because of that. I think I like that, too. And I come back to this discussion and that kind of idea often, and I don't know that it's significantly changed the way I do things or approach things. But it kind of allows me to you. Accept or justify doing things for the sake of doing them like you're talking about you and just feeling comfortable with that versus feeling. Like I have to always be improved myself and always be doing something to get healthier make money or whatever. Yeah, exactly. And this ties into some of the other topics we talk about on here a lot like the blue zones thing and the idea that, that, that sort of attitude that it is okay to, of course, you would. Yeah. Of course, you would have sense of purpose. But also this idea of being able to relax and have fun and be around people you love and all that. It's really important to health too. So, yes, by the way, the book is called desperately seeking self improvement. If anyone wants to go that, but start with the New Yorker article. Yes. All right. Which we don't know the name of. I think it was something along the lines of are we improving? Yeah. Because again, the podcast exactly that we didn't know if we get in trouble. It wasn't exactly that we changed if you thought about calling. I think it was. Are you improving yourself to death? Okay. All right. So this one this one is not necessarily one of our top episodes, but in fairly recent, but I feel like we, we owe it to the audience to have a little quick update on this one and Matt's. Quest for deeper sleep, we did a whole episode on things you were trying to do to be able to sleep better and the kind of rabbit hole you're going down on sleep. And then we never quit talking about it after that. So I where are you asleep in have you given up on all that stuff? Or have you found a magic potion? So when I was in that I was using the ARA ring. So what I did was that. I'm not gonna do that. Like, check it in the morning because I was checking in the morning go. He was like a Mike. A hit right? Like a rush. Like to see that it was like a gambler's kind of impulse and I think you think you mentioned that you would that feeling is like. And so I said, I'm not gonna do that anymore in the morning, I'm still gonna use the data and pay attention to it, and let it be valuable to me. But what I'm going to do in the mornings is think did I wake up for an hour last night, because I was in the point where I was like, really stressing about even felt great after night's sleep. I would be stressing about how much deep I got versus REM, because my deep was just always night after night, coming up, really, really low, so I was worried that something was a problem. And eventually, I thought, if I'm feeling good. If you're I actually sleep tonight through, and don't have an hour or two. Periods at two AM where I'm just lying there awake, which is kind of my big problem that just happens. Then I am. I am satisfied, so that I got to that point, and I started saying, I'm not gonna look in the morning like what actually happened? We'll look at whether whether or not I woke up, and I will use that to determine which actively he's during the few hours before sleep and which, like sleeping conditions are the ones I should be doing more of and I kept a lot of things I have the blackout curtains now. So my room is so much darker than it used to be have a weighted blanket. Which I love you. Get one of those Doug. You gotta get away to blanket. It's actually it's a I shouldn't say that I should say that we like it is for me. But I don't know if it's not for everybody because Aaron hates it and my daughter, Ellery hates it to my son holding he actually likes it. So it's like this fifteen pound blanket that you just wait. And it just feels like if you ever go to like a grandmother's house, or something, and you sleep in their bed, there's just like pounds and pounds of blankets that are on you. And I always found that found that really cozy this, you get it without the heat, because it doesn't really add much heat. Just wait. And it just feels like a good hug all night. And it just makes you sleep. Oh. So that has been a lasting thing for me and finally eating peanut butter peanut butter at nighttime, and there's nothing exact about it. He was just that's what I do it as scoop it out of the jar need it, and that is, what seems to make me sleep better. And I have very, very few nights. Now where I wake up for more than two minutes. Wow. It's is that the fat. What, what is it about the peanut butter? I don't know. I think when people recommend that I think it's because of the. I've heard people say things about the protein, but I've also heard that protein can cause you to have more vivid kind of dreams at my wake you up. And so I think it's probably the fat. I don't eat that loaf out of a diet. So I'm not really sure, but I do differently. Stop beating around I don't know, six PM or so. Speaking of things that needed update when he does intermittent fasting update. But anyway, so I, I do think, you know, a hit of one hundred calories in a lot of fat at right before bed. Maybe does make a difference. I don't know. But, you know, in my very unscientific testing where the only thing I was looking at was did I wake up in the middle of the night or not? It turns out that was what it was. What was really working? So I have no longer just out at all by Steve. In fact, I just today without man, I loved my bed now. Hey, I'm happy to hear that because you know what? We we did talk about it almost every week for a little while. But what listeners might not knows conversations. We had hopefully, they don't know because they were between you and I, but. Off the off air. And it was really stressing me out. I was kinda worried about you. I'm not gonna lie. I it was just really I worried about I just know how I respond to those kind of thing. So now I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit. You know, just cautious before I get into knowing more than I wanted to. Okay. Speaking of. Sleep. I wanna talk about the morning because we've done a couple absurds on morning routines. And most recently, I think was the rethinking our morning routines episode which I actually don't quite remember what we were rethinking. But wondering, routines are something that I have always tried and failed at in. I think I'm starting to figure out what works for me. So I have a little bit of an update here but. I'm just curious. We haven't talked about mornings at a while. I'm gonna I'm curious if your morning routine shifted at all. It has because I don't really have one that is at all delivered anymore, which I'm partly embarrassed about numbers, but just ashamed do not have that when in the past I've as so important or such a good opportunity. I don't know. Like I kind of I don't know. I mean, I've changed over the years a whole lot. And I very much believe in this thing that, that if you can do it without being without it becoming an excuse to be lazy. I just think there are times when you just need different things in your life at different times. And yes, maybe some people have a morning routine that they do every day, and they never missed for five years in a row. But I would say that person that's great. And probably did you more harm than good? But I bet there was period in there when you might have been better off, not knowing that morning, routine has been able to keep it up. Right. When when you could have used the relaxing of that pressure to get that I don't really know. But I I, I wake up when the kids are going to school. I have a Cup of coffee. I and recently, I've been doing the language thing. So I do review flash cards and do a little bit of reading and do other things with which is. I like the first hour. But that's it. I don't have any more structure. I don't have any meditation, you know, requirements or anything, I'd like to get back imitation. But just found it very hard for me to do. So right now, I'm just not struggling. I'm just kind of doing what feels good. How are you? Yeah, I my approach is kind of. Against a routine in some ways, not, not necessarily, but it against the natural routine for me, which in the past has been to try to be like, really. Efficient non officiant. Really? Not affected either, get a lot of things done. I don't know what active productive. In the morning. And I think so for the first time since allies was born for sure. I'm waking up before her and waking up. On my own. I used to do this. When I lived in DC. I used to wake up really early and read the paper every morning and I'd be at work by eight o'clock at my desk bite o'clock, right? And since then since I moved here my morning, Scott a little bit later. And then we had a baby and the nights just kind of all shifted. But now for some for whatever reason natural bodies been waking up at six just about every day. And at first when that started happening, I was waking up and pretty much, you know, checking Email right away and trying to get things done before lies woke up. And that kind of thing. But now what have kind of decided is that I need to not get on social media. I need to not get too into emails or anything like that, instead, take some time to make some coffee, take some time to sometimes right? Or do something like that, that, you know, if I have something, but I just want to feel in creative. And when I express myself or go for a run or just do things that. Not jump right into what I'm gonna do for the rest of the day. Right. Take take a few minutes to. Do something this whatever's enjoyable to myself. Whatever seems like a good idea at the time. Yeah, I think that's super important because I, I definitely don't debate magin everybody has where you, you think you're going to start your work Email as your first fifteen minutes of the day or do whatever, and then it just turns into the whole thing, and then you're just working. And then now now you've your whole day's been work, and you didn't do anything fun, or I think the exception to win. The exception to that Nabi. And good idea is when you're super passionate about work. And that's the first thing you to do when you wake up because I've also been in that phase. And I loved that I wouldn't do anything else, but dive right in. So I think that's good. I think I think it's, you know, if you're not in that kind of season right now, which I think is good. Not always be. You wish I probably was. That's, that's not what I'm saying that, you know, it's like, I don't know. I think it's good to. I don't right? You're right. I mean, if you're really, like just over the moon excited to get to work every day, then starting and working for the next ten hours, is totally fine, and great. That's awesome. But it feels good to me to get a run in order to even just sit and have some coffee in listen to something or not listening. Anything at all in kind of start my day that way. Social media is a big thing that only got like not doing that in the morning and not doing that night has been really good really positive thing for me. I knew people did that in the morning. That was the nighttime behavior. It's just oh man. It's just a behavior. She's, you pick up your phone and you just I wonder what happened overnight. You know. Give it to the apps. Don't even have my governor Facebook or did you. Okay, well from my phone go. Right. So you can still go on the computer from YouTube, but then there's not on your phone. Good. Good. All right. So that's why I'm wondering routine update, by the way, I want to see something I don't I don't want people to interpret what I said, as I don't think there's a place for, you know, disciplined in morning, routines, and making yourself do something hard in the morning because I totally do. And I can totally see myself three months from now getting into the Jaakko Willink or whatever that guy is where he wakes up at four thirty and says, this is how you like own the day and all the competitors aren't doing this, and you're stealing your mind Callan, your mind like that other guy says David Coggins. You know, I'm gonna swing back in that direction. I'm sure and I think that's my point. There are times when that's exactly what you need. And then I think there are other times when you don't. Fair, fair. I agree. And I got one more when Moore to revisit here was a five would that be five one two three four. This will before I'm skipping. One of them. I said. I said those nothing else to add. But we can do it anyway you want. But what I was going to do is the is a possibility one percent of eating, because I think there was a super interesting topic and some that. But I don't know what else we'd say on it. So I don't know. I thought that was interesting discussion that we had quite a long time ago about whether or not it's possible, which is we don't think that we are deliberately not hundred percent beginning. I think we've talked about the way that you can't drive a car. If you want to technically be no animal products in your life whatsoever, because who knows lubricants, whenever you. Just is. I was that was that our point. Yeah. That was part of it, and then also just like. Yep. No. That was that was pretty much it just like how the whole you can't really be in thing that, that non people. Yeah. People say that other reason why you shouldn't because you can't be on a percents of this. Why why you trying to because a vegan, right? Yeah, exactly. So that was what it was about. But of course we are a hundred percent. We eat one hundred percent vegan and by our clothing, vegan try as as much as we can to live hundred percent vegan lifestyle including being cars cleanings. That's why that's why I walk everywhere in my vegan shoes. Yeah. They that's the way to do. It just have not have a car because probably bikes. I dunno nerve thought about before, but bike tires, are they being do begins who knows? And it's needed episode about to do an update until more research accent, anyway. So that was one decided to skip over the last one that I want to bring up was what we're feeding kids, what do we feed our kids because when we did this, my kid was just beginning to eat solids, and your kids are getting pretty old these days. They are they are getting up there. L A actually had a had a tooth pulled today. Oh, she had probably never said on this podcast. Does she hasn't? She had an extra tooth coming in. Well, you know that. No. Yeah. She she lost a tooth really early. And then had a tooth that was coming in, and it was super pointing and weird. And now that it's, it's like an half an inch long. It's the weirdest thing ever seen. That we were kind of hoping that would somehow get pushed out by the correct actual teeth, but it was not on track to do that. So it had to be pulled today. Interesting. Yeah. Which is the only reason that came up with old was she just turned six, and I was thinking that, that pointy tooth was like her her during h five she had that. Now, it's now it's gone with her birthday, and I bet is her mouth. Mom. Are you doing the whole like drink water and let it still thing? No. But she fell asleep on Aaron today. And drooled blood Oliver shirt. Let's not nearly as. That sad for that. So I see what you're saying. And I didn't I didn't know that was the thing. But I get it even water spills because you can't control it. Yeah. And it's funny everyone likes to you, and you can love yourself. Hopefully. Hey, so what are we feeding them? She still eats. She's still eats super clean cleaner than anybody in the family as we said, she's like piles of beans, and like a little pile of rice over here and the vegetables, she wants cabbage, you'll have cabinet for breakfast sometimes with Paul stomach vinegar on it. I just weirdest thing just, just straight up chopped raw red cabbage and doesn't want any dress doesn't want me things. One sweet things doesn't like things that are overly. Saw did. She just she just eats like you're supposed to eat, like I wish I could eat. And my son is much pickier because we were vegetarian not vegan when we had him at first, and also so new to others that we were eating all like the guardian fried, chicken, chicken, lists fingers wherever they were. So he definitely developed a taste for food. That is not as healthy. Still he's really well, but he's just he's just a little bit more challenging to get the zoo want him to. And we've also realized like for the first six years of his life, we were bending over backwards to like, make the foods exactly the way he needed them to be to eat them. And then we started to realize how we created this picky eater. And we're like we're gonna stop to that. Now, he just has to we make. And it's okay it works. Well, so that was going to be one of the questions, which is something where we're kind of at a point with now with ledges do you make a separate meal for your kids or do they just eat anything in what you're eating? And also are you adapting what you're eating for them? Yeah. It's more of that, that we sort of temper our food so that it'll be something that the whole family will eat, which means typically making it not as spicy. If there's a there's a thick sauce and it's going to bother them. We'll, we'll keep it off to the side, and we will make that meal. So. We try to be fair. What about you? I know allies. It was going through shopping in the garden phase recently eating peas. You said he up I and peas are still her favorite her favorite food. And the garden thing is already like we're just blaming things now we're just getting things in the garden. But there's some greens in there. And there's just like the way she approaches kale. For example, the she's pulling from the garden is completely different than if we were to give her kale from writer. Right. I mean she'll just like eat, actually like a whole like long kale leaf that she pulls from the garden. But she will like if you just serve it on a plate. She'll we like, no, no, kale. Right. It's like the same thing. So it's wild. It's just wild how that is, but she has been very involved this year in planting and the gardening in general, which has been fun. So I think that this is going to be really good year for that. I'm excited for that. Yeah. But when you know what has been a game changer for us. And I think that these are pretty healthy. They're oftentimes, just two ingredients is those like what I was gonna say Laura bars, but I'm wrong. Nope. Not low bars. Is the chickpea pasta, like just the there's like a bean at Amami pasta that sheets? Yep. These are no lintel, pasta red lintel pass computer jobs, read dental Tomasa. Yeah. We that one too. The those have been game changers because she loves pasta and she was just asking for it all the time. And we were just giving her a lot of pasta and then she would just eat that like very little sauce. Fair little anything with it. And, and it just didn't make that didn't sit well with us as that being a primary source of calories. So. Right. But this these bean passes are just been so good. Yeah. That's we've found those to be just as useful yet, withholding. He doesn't really like beans won't do whole beans. Just the texture public and give me pasta and hope. He's all about it. So it has been a great way to get kids eat beans. And like you said, just a good a nice thing. I have no problem with eating wheat, pasta, usually do whole wheat, but I wouldn't want that to be the all the time thing, and I don't I feel bad. They with we make that and sauce for the kids multiple nights in a row so, but to do it with, with being pasta. I don't feel so bad at all. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And Eliza does she. It's quite a bit of beans. If we put a little bit of dressing on there. And usually there's some oil in the dressing, but, but she'll just eat like chickpeas with some sort of dressing on there. She's into that. Yeah. Do you ever worry about? When they were when they were marriage or none. And when they were allies age, did you worry about getting a fat? I still think about getting fat, I wouldn't say I worry about it. But, like a whole lot of meals will just tend to show up on their plates with no fat on the plate. Or these the only the fact that is naturally in, in vegetables, and beans grains, which is not very much at all right? So we just make an effort to make sure there's always a fat on the plate. Okay. That is something that has been been worrisome. To me recently. Yeah. It's hard. When you try if you don't if you cook with oil, then you're getting plenty of fat in there. That's not going to be as good or almost ever going to be as good as whole vet. And so it's, it's quite easy though, to make meals that, that are essentially that free, if you're not using much oil. So we like a lot of our kids, we'll have a normal like that. And then those have a big handful of nuts with dinner, or I don't know. We have like a vegan cheese sprinkle that we used which is like just made from nutritionally east and mostly cashews. So if they see a couple of tablespoons of that got on their stuff then. What brand is that we just make pitchers, make three-quarters cashews one-quarter nutritionally east and then a little bit of salt and garlic powder. Just blend it up and that works. Well. Avocados are good Elliott would do those Holden won't. Yeah. Not a big cut. A person gets are growing in the garden. We should. Yeah. No. That's like the one the one area that does concern me because a lot, some, it'd just be right air like raw beans, and peas, and then like a pasta or something like that. You know, and that's a pretty healthy meal. But there's not a ton of found there. Yeah. I think particularly that at that age that's the time to definitely be thinking about that so good that you are. All right. Well that's all the updates I get good. We sweep few ideas for new episodes. We'd do a kid nutrition episode again dog just being you. We could like not, not a not a what to feed UK's, but a practical tips. Be good. Did you know okay? You're a you're squirrel guy. Right. You're, you're pretty into squirrels. If we're in bird watching him, not in squirrels at all. But I don't mind the squirrel species. Family or whatever the species. Did you know that up until the late nineteenth century? You couldn't really find squirrels, unless you're deep in the woods. No, none of that. Yeah. That, that they avoided cities and towns and in populated areas in part because we didn't have like a bunch of green spaces and things like this, and they just didn't thrive it. Well, but when they start so they were, they were treated as like a delicacy, not to eat. But like, like something that only a pet that rich people have. Really? Yeah. And it was like a really big deal. If you saw a squirrel, or if you had a squirrel, but there were some cities, it started because it was such a deal because people like them so much some cities like Philadelphia, New York's or trying to introduce them into the city. But they would just the predators were too, too big and they went, you know, the voters and stuff would get eaten. So what eat them? So what happened was people started, then killing the predators. To make way for the animals that they thought were kinder more gentle animals, like like squirrels, and then they started thriving and then they now they're overpopulating and all that stuff. You know, so, but I thought that was interesting. You know that they were so hard to come to find back in the day. And now they're everywhere in the reason I bring it up is because my neighbor now has a pet squirrel. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wow. They rescued a squirrel, and now it's friendly. They rescued it, and it comes in and out of their house, and they feed it. And like sits on their shoulder. I didn't know anyone did that. I could be tamed like that. I didn't either and it freaked. I mean it really freaked me out. It came up it came up. We were Elisa what we have a little swing in the backyard lies was swinging and got on the tree and are. Nanny was here, and it like jumped on the nanny, and we all start freaking out, because you're like, oh, it must have rabies, right. And. Started freaking out. We thought it had rabies. I called the like animal control, people, and all this stuff, it didn't bite or anything. But we were just trying to report that now when there's the squirrel has rabies yard. And lo and behold, the next day my neighbor comes walking through the yard or through his yard and there's a squirrel sitting on a and I'm like, oh my God. That's. And it's just like they didn't like purposely tame it, I don't think it just kind of naturally happened as they were feeding it and taking care of it. And now comes and goes. Wow, interesting. So did you know so that was in I learned about that? And then I had that experience with this girl happened. And then I just listened to a podcast on history of squirrels in the United States ninety nine percent, invisible, had it didn't episode okay, called uptown, squirrels, if you're interested in that excellent episode. Good. And they go interesting factoid. I'm impressed. That's the thing. Thanks. They're always that good. We wouldn't have done away with. I thought it was gonna I thought when you were going with they can only be found inside the forest that you were going to go back to the old poison Ivy to protect her of the fourth. Oh, yeah. False. The thing is the first that, you know it was I was really excited about punked. Yeah. So good. It's all all the segments we ever. I mean what would you last night? What I last night. So I made two nights ago, I made from in that book that I talked about have talked about, it's called vegan for everybody or for everyone is by America's test kitchen. Yeah, it's one of my favorite cookbooks. And I just random founded on the deals table at Barnes and noble one day. I made tie red curry from that. So it's tofu with red pepper and carrots. And then you just use a red curry, paste, and coconut milk. And I made that and so I had some leftovers of that heated up some rice noodles, it was a weird kind of night. Everybody eight thrown thing last night, because we had soccer tryouts and gymnastics and all this stuff. So we were just coming and going, but that's what I ended up being. We also had a weird night last night at band practice. And then Katie had a meeting until, like nine thirty. And so she just threw together something while as a band, and it was just very, very simple. It's going to one of those things that we talked about last week or a couple of weeks ago. It just frozen veggies took a couple like sweet potatoes and onions and beets. And Rosa them we had rice, and then like a big a bunch of greens and. And that was about it. What was the was there any sort of being in there? I don't even think those being in there, Doug. It's one of the seven foods worth eating every day. I know I'm sure it had been yesterday. There might have been there might have been being there. I don't even remember genie bean pasta. No. No. Well Brown rice through some protein in new. Yet. So that was it. This is pretty pretty boring. Pretty boring meal but it's worrying. But tasty here that I think we I think we should keep doing the wedgie for dinner last night segment. I liked that one. It makes it makes it just brings back back home. You know, makes it we can, we can talk about this up in our ivory towers. What you should be eating and all the latest research. But but what do we actually last night? Yeah. Exactly. Most nights, it'll be vegan, meet veggie burger. And, and Gwen ships. If I could have you good way for us to, to show, the true frequency of how often we that kind of stuff, and maybe, maybe we learn that it's too much. I don't no doubt. But anyway, we should good. All right. So we we're gonna do. I don't know if you're you're ready for this we're, we're going to do. What's kind of the if there's like one takeaway sort of thing that you've learned in seven and a half years of podcasting. Now. Or what has it taught you or what have you noticed? Like what's the what's the thing for you? Mine is even more obvious to me than when I thought at the beginning of this episode. Now that we've talked about all this. And it's that. At the time we did all these episodes. I remember we did one about jazz drumming. And how that was so important had to do with something we did one about the fruitarian thing we've done, intermittent, fasting we've done ultra-marathon trading and running stuff about running in general, and how to make habits and morning routines. And we like do I actually do any of it now? I. But, but we're I'm going is not that, that's a bad thing. I have from, I think you can very easily go through life. Like I have. Doing all these things kinda just following your nose if that's the right metaphor here and just sort of, you know, kind of not always chasing Chinese objects. But like you just keep doing things and each one of them seems like it's the most important thing, and this is the new thing of you. That is now going to last forever. And this is the new way you are, and the new hobby that you can't ever. Imagine yourself dropping. It could be that maybe I'm just someone who does that a lot and doesn't have much patience for those sorts of things. But. I'm more had this percents, that just says, like, whatever is happening in the moment, kind of isn't. Isn't that important right? It just I just I really believe that and I think I don't know. I think I think so much of our this, like there's a prince set of, I don't know what it would be called, philosophical spiritual, sort of thinking. It's called three principals. Have you heard of that come across that yoga or anything doesn't ring a bell? It just sort of I don't know, fairly modern very practical thing of spirituality if, if you look it up on Amazon, you'll find dozens and dozens of books by most of them by people, I think because it's so simple. There are a lot of like amateur authors who just assume they can right and correctly as soon. They can read a kindle book about it and get people to buy it. And it was very simple sort of way. But I think the one. Principal from that kind of jumps out at me. And this is not the right user principles because it's it's different than it sounds, but the concept of it that, that I take away, is it like all of our all the goings on in our life. All the mood, we have everything is just a product of our thinking. And when we have a problem, usually it's not solving the problem that makes us stop stressing about it, and our life, being ruined by it. It's just the time passes and you stop thinking about it so much. And I think it's I'm not read those books that much, but I I read a bunch of them. At one time I do like that. And it just I don't know looking back at all these different episodes, like all the titles. We've done all these tops, all these things, it seemed like to me. They were the most important thing. I mean, none of them were they certainly there have been ones that lasts being vegan has lasted running, of course. Well, that didn't last that long lasting for I five years, the gas. I don't know. I just I just kinda think all these things play. Nice part. I guess you could also take I could also look at and say, well, I should I should try to stick with things longer. But that's not the impression I get here. It said all these things are what I need at that time. And I just I like to perspective that comes from knowing that, yes, I'm super into this thing this right now, but three months from now, there's going to be something else that it's probably feeling that role. And to go back to me, being moderate, it, it kind of tells me like you know, just because I'm into being -tarian one month doesn't mean should be telling everyone, hey, you gotta try this. This is the best thing. This is an amazing diet. It's you're gonna feel amazing. Because it chances are, whatever it is, you're going to kind of come back to whatever your, your set point is. And that doesn't mean you can't improve obviously you can. But should you even want to? That's, that's another question. So I don't know that all that all had more of a point in my head as far as, like a taking away moment. But. I don't know. I mean, there's no practical application of why. That's good to know. But I feel like that. That perspective helps me. I think it's good. Good perspective. Looking big picture in less than the like. Flash flash of the pan. Yeah. But none of it's say that those fascism and are bad at all. I don't I don't mean that, but anyway, haven't you. Yeah. Yeah. I go. I got one that I think. I'm realizing more and more as we've been doing the tenure stuff and. And looking back, you know, planning for this episode everything just talking about it. And that's this idea that. In order to do something. In order to do something you need to have everything in place, and have all the knowledge and all the gear and all the stuff to be able to create something like a podcast or start running, or go vegan or whatever it is that you, you need to do all this pre work before you actually do it. And. And what this podcast has been a clear reminder to me of an lesson for me is that the best thing you can do is just start trying. Right. And I mean, because we didn't I mean, our gear back in the day was crap. And we didn't know we didn't know any best practices on podcasting awaited, and we didn't. Have a revision as we talked about, you know, there were months once a month and the no months than an eight in a month, and, you know. It's kind of all over the place, but we, we started it, and we began figured out and now we're in a good rhythm. And now a couple of people listening. And now, you know, like everything's kind of fallen into place, and it took starting and it took struggling and kind of figuring it out to be able to figure it out and to be able to succeed with it. And I think the same thing can be said about going the or starting a new fitness habit or really anything you do whether that's making videos or starting podcast or whatever, so I think that this is a good reminder to me of and good lesson important lesson for me is that the best thing you can do is just start trying, even if it's even if it's awful. Yes, I that one hundred percent. I think whenever I talk to you about podcasts, which is every now and then someone will say, I want to do that, too. They always want to have their five episodes recorded lined up before they start putting them out. And I think that is the worst idea that you could have as far as starting a podcast be. It's not a bad idea. I shouldn't say that it's not a bad idea. It is mostly it is people being afraid to start. And that's the thing is that it's just seems too scary to actually start because you think you're not ready. Like you said, and you just learn so much when you actually do start. And then the starting usual, make you make sure that, that second one happens because maybe everyone who has ever said, I'm going to get those five episodes before I actually begin. They never actually start because it's, it's really just a way of hiding and kind of may not have to begin. I lived advice. There's something for being prepared. But, but I think I think most of that stuff you can kinda learn as you. Yeah. I mean, that's not to say, don't be prepared, of course not. Right. But, but quit using. Equipment were knowledge. I mean quit using needed degree before. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Quit using those things to hide behind as an excuse. Yep. So there you go. If you wanted to start something, whether it's a podcast or up habit, red diet or whatever, and you've been listening for more than three episodes. It's time to actually start. I think. That's right. Whatever it is universally. There's no exception to that. All right. Good. I think this is Doug. We should mention what we're doing. We've been doing for the tenth anniversary thing we've been doing a week of I don't know. We're calling week of celebration. It's kind of just been fun. Stuff. Started out with just a look back. Then we did looked at the community and you end up a really great post about running, and our people. And for the past couple of days. 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Mark Bell's Power Project EP 204 - Rich Froning

Mark Bell's Power Project

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Mark Bell's Power Project EP 204 - Rich Froning

"What's going down today? Marc today, we got four time cross, but games champ rich phoning who's also not only one as an individual. But also has one as a team member. And he's out there in cookeville, Tennessee, super excited a talk to him today. Richard somebody that has not been known for being real dedicated to like a diet hasn't had a strict diet per se, and there's a lot of videos of him eating Oreos and different things. But I think I think more recently he's changed his tune. He's getting a little older. And so maybe he needs that much. Sure. He's dominating the crossing games that are very young age mid to early twenties. I'm not sure how old is at the moment. But I know that he was a very dominant kinda right off the bat. I'm excited to kind of dive in and see what drove him to want to win so many titles so many championships like Bill. He did he lose somewhere along the line. Or does he hate himself? Or does he hate other people or? Where's it come from just want to be competitive? You know? Yeah. I just it's so crazy when you look at the like, we were just talking about it how like the capacity of like these guys the volume the training like everything like when a when you're an Ohio you were talking about how you're watching him and Matt Frazier training, your dislike what the heck is going on. Yeah. Why encima you said he tried cross fit for a little bit? Or you wanted to wanted to an I I had a trainer at twenty four fitness that he took me through like, a cross type workout. And it was like so vanilla it was so just like not comparable to what these guys are doing. And I was dead. I was maybe none. So I ended that dream quite early. Yeah. But I think it's going to be really cool to talk like a young go because you know, you don't really get to. Yeah. Like when when you talk to the guys that have greatest of all time, you don't really talk to them while they're still close fifty. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So we not thirty two or whatever he is backward. Yeah. Like if he were to. I mean, we'll ask him. But like if that him kind of coming out saying that he will compete again. Like if that does come out to be true. And he wins is anybody surprised. Yeah. And I wouldn't be. Yeah. Frazier's close. He's won three. He's gonna compete again this year. So if he wins four what what happens like and Matt Frazier is very dominant and he's dominant with the pool being a little bit bigger as well. Like, there's more people that have kind thrown their hat into this one thing. I find interesting about this. And it reminds me of reminds may have a lot of different things actually reminds me of M a reminds me of strongman people look at big guys like like me and seem are look at, you know, big guys at a gym be like dude, you'd be great at strongman. It's like. No, not not out of nowhere. We wouldn't be. And you know, one person might be better than the next. But you're not going to be great at it out of nowhere. It's gonna take a lot of practice. I had people, you know, have gone to a lot of 'em fights and things like that. And people like dude, you should get in the ring. It's like that has really not you know, the way that I'm built has actually nothing to do with the execution at those guys have and the ring and cross fits like that. You know Crawford. If you're not cross fitting, then you're you're going to have a really hard time with it. Yeah. If it's if you haven't tried something before like if you're in really, good condition, and you run a lot. Yeah. You'll be okay. When you hit a heavy bag, but you're still going to be way out of breath. You're still gonna lose your legs. If you're doing some like Moi tie on a on a bag and you're kicking and punching and your your intensities real high. Even if you're used to like doing it in some other capacity if it's not the same. And that's what makes prophet so different. It's like we're going to test you out in all this weird different stuff that you may not have ever been exposed to before. They've they've road bikes on bike trails. They've they did trail runs. And then when they were done with a four k trail run through rigorous terrain than they did like a dead deadlocked ladder and some of the girls went up to four hundred pounds. Some of the guys went went up to six hundred pounds. I mean, it's just you can look at it. As like a power lifter and say, oh moons goes are weak, but take it into the context of what they're doing. And you realize how strongly are and then on top of that most of these guys don't really way more than two hundred pounds. So there I mean a three times body weight dead lift after you ran a four k and you're not just running you're competing. So I have a lot of admiration for these guys and so excited talk the rich today, I'm going to try to connect with them. Now. Yeah. We'll we'll get him on the horn. Also interested to see like how he's monetize stuff, you know, that that's really interesting part of the game too. Because cross fit the few years ago. I'm sure it was a lot harder. But you know, he's won multiple championships with that that gives him a paycheck. They actually pay you when you win. I think it's, you know, a few hundred thousand dollars, which was great. But it's not something you can just automatically live the rest of your life off of without working. And, but he's got you know, contracts with rogue and with Reebok, and I think he's made a great life for himself off of that. Which is awesome. Do you know if it's like kind of like in the UFC have to have certain sponsor, or you can only have like Reebok kits or whatever do they have like a like a stronghold on the athletes the way the does right now Reebok, you know, I don't know the current status of all that but Reebok used to basically. Reebok and cross fit kind of own the cross fit games together. Reebok didn't really have a say with anything else. And so like with our products slingshot products could appear in everything and then once the games came along and the games got bigger and bigger than people had to turn a niece leaves in inside out and things like that. So it's a little bit like the UFC where you know, they they're trying to promote what they got other than, you know, promote people that aren't necessarily a fit in the Bill. You know? Yeah. I see a lot of guys wearing like Nike's Nike met concent- stuff and wonder if they really care about that or or not know like precision competitions. You're only allowed to wear certain type unease leaves and powerlifting. Yeah. I think I think in across with games, I think that. More recently that has changed. I don't think I think they give you shoes. You know? I think they give you all that stuff. So yeah, you get you get like quite a bit of like free stuff. You get outfitted pretty good head to toe. And then you're also doing so many different things. So it's like, you're swimming. You're biking shorts for this workout and bathing suit for that workout. And they they provide you with everything. So I don't remember where they left off. I I do know what you're talking about. Because there was a few years where there was Nike kind of appearing. Yeah. And I actually at one of the cross games. I ended up talking to some people that were with Nike, and they were kinda bragging like we're just we just do. It nike. Always does. But just sit back and wait let everybody else spend their money, and we'll just let let's let cross it come to us eventually. And who knows I mean, it might be the Nike cross, but games at some point. I'll know shoe. I wanna be surprised. I mean, I love the met cons. Yeah. I love those shoes. Favorite absolute training, you at this point Nike. Does a great job. I mean, there's just no other way to put their Ben of fortune five hundred company for the last twenty something years, and yeah. And they do they do a great job. And and they have also, you know, they've done a great job infiltrating cross fit. And they do great job with you know, all the different sports. I get involved. Boom that sounded like success. Rich rich, rich phoning actually a bench press has more often than most cross-fitters to it's actually pretty strong. I think I wanna see seen him. Do. I've seen him do multiple sets multiple reps with three fifteen like a floor press. Like look at his chest. Like, you're just talking about. How big his chest is a monster prize at all that he can actually do that. And it's just so crazy, you know, the amount that they do I wonder what their pain threshold? What I mean? Like the versus other sports, that's painful. Yeah. It's brutal. We go. What's up mister frowny? Hey, what's up handsome? We. Doing great. How this technology works over there, buddy? They have this kind of stuff in Tennessee. It's kind of slow with types here. That will get. Interview skype. So well, look, you're doing it now, buddy. There's nothing you can't do. I'm here joins today by Sima EA. And also, my co host over there Andrews, Air, Goza awesome. Have you on the show man super super excited? So let's let's kind of dive right in. I know some people have seen you on some videos in the past eating like Oreo cookies and eating a little bit of of what you want and has has any of that stuff changed? And additionally, do you kind of eat recklessly or did you used to eat recklessly, or is that just like kind of them just capturing you eating Oreos? No. I mean, I, you know up until probably last. Two or three years. Yeah. I really didn't pay attention quite as much to my diet. Now, obviously, they took snapshots of like company Titian weekends where you know. Allergies of. I I was a little bit more cautious. I guess than that. But yet unless two or three years I've been a lot more muscle since I turned thirty. It turns out you can't just eat what you want recover like you want not doing that type of stuff. So actually in August. I started doing intermittent fasting. Sort of doing the sixteen in eight in. I really really like it. So it's a I was going to do it for a little while while we were in off season. And with crossed it. They changed everything else we have really had him off season. But once I got back into training. I was like I'll see how it goes. And see if I still like it, man. I I still like it. And really as long as I get enough calories that they before I feel good to go the next day. And so I can do usually two or three training sessions before I eat again, that's Ogle one to nine. So what tonight? And I really liked it. That is really fascinating. Because I mean, you're known even cross it where these people are a lot of you guys and girls are working out a lot you're known for working out a ton. And I I've even heard people say like they've been on vacation with you and they've been to these different events, and they're like dude riches like over there doing cleans and doing floor presses. And they just said you are constantly working out. So the fasting has been working. Okay. For you, even with the amount of workouts that you do. I really love 'em. Temba problem was I would I would eat in the morning anyway breakfast. And then I kind of forget to eat the way we would trae all day with like busy thinking about food. I don't hungry obviously of this thing, and it gets really hard to do the fasting thing because I want to bring like twelve o'clock. I'm like, okay, I'm starving now. But as long as I stay busy, I'm going to go. So I used to eat in the morning for you know, wouldn't eat all day or maybe take shake or something than to get at night. It's always kind of it, but not super strict with it. What what I really like about this though, as it makes me eat in the middle of the day. So by the time, I trained again, and that for noon of feel good where I used to by the by the end of the day. I was pretty much shot last training session was. A lot less productive garbage would have frequented Darvish at that point. And so I really like being fessing thing that some do you notice like benefit as far as your trainings concerned, or do you notice like does are do not have much energy or just feeling really good? Mix of both man, I feel I feel good to clear at it. But I also I don't not sluggish or anything like that. Like, I said it really helps that afternoon training session. And like I said as long as I'm getting enough calories in the morning, and I have been working with ARCHE strength. And so I was doing their templates last year. And so I've kind of taken the template that I was using and moved it into that nine hour the eight hour period. And so trying to get the same amount of calories. Like, I'm not restricting calories by any means still getting the same amount of calories just doing it with eight hours. And so honestly as long as long as I get enough calories the day before that next day. I feel good to go move. My training doesn't suffer. We swam. This more like a train again, we're leaving for China the moral. So today's kinda goofy day training last trying to get everything ready in good to go. We can eat on Saturday, which is technically Friday year. Yes. So it's going to be a little bit chaotic and whatever. I really like about fasting thing is I get up in the morning, and I don't have to worry about, you know, get food reading gentle house like I can just go the shortest Gordon's me like on my kids Ables deal stealing by. In turn teach you about taxes, but the it's more insular court. How do you manage your day? You know, you must be very busy with all these workouts that you have to do to be a high level. Cross fitter on top of that your business has grown. You've been able to monetize exercise. What's to say? And I you've you had your you have your own gym and stuff like that. So how do you kind of organize your day with a mix of family, business and Crossman? It's it's the mistakes that I do better than others. I try to look at you know, right now, I'm gonna be able to compete for the next probably couple of years as long as I feel like I've stood up. They've been in. I don't compete just have fun competes will. And so as long as I feel like I can still do that I'll still compete, but you know, my number one goal as my family every day. That's the number one goal. And then from there trading because obviously competing is kind of what you know time whims in in the long run. And so I know that I've got a close of that small for that. So that's the the big thing. I do. And then luckily, I have a great great group of people that own gym for me to help me out different stuff and look different people in charge of different things that we do here the gym, and they they pretty much run it like they think it should be ran in any major decisions we come back and forth and talk about stuff. But I've got a great group. Itsy group of people great team around me. And and the. Cool thing about it is the kids are getting old enough to where they come onto the board on a train one of the house. Do come to the gym. They can you ever hanging out. You know? Mike. Hugh swinging around bars Neil jumping on things and slinging rigs on amass tales thrown everything bins Rhode around as long as the visit have gone. It's on as close as they could be with long as they're not real ranger. Jimmy. So it's it's pretty cool to see just a little things that pick on dollar. She'll be five hundred lie and she was so his the other day that. Act like like through the joke broke Arousa lake. We gotta like chill out for second backup. Like, you're going to practice. I am practicing could not. Just could not bits and then Hamson walk. She almost like two or three hands Hamson walk at its see. I've never worked bin Laden's to workout. It's just she just watches, and she just wants to be open and wants to do the things that does. And it's it's also in of scary to see the things that they pick up on never once told her, let's do this. It's just that's what she wants to do. I saw a one year you're going out to the for games, and you were competing as an individual, and you had your whole tribe with you you had the wife you had the kids with you. And I think you had an infant with you. I believe and a lot of people were like, you know, he's done. He's not going to be able to win like, yeah, he's got a kid. But now he's got another kid, and like, I don't see this happening. And you're still able to pull it off. How how have you been able to block out the noise to become a four time world champion? I think you just use some of that. You know, what I mean anytime anybody tells you to you guys know any any competitor knows. That's when that's kind of it's all the motivation. You really need is to have somebody tell you. That's not you know, either. Nobody's done it before. Or it's not possible. That's that's the deal in. I just it's every year. So can is get to too many kids now have three kids granted the kids think that's sparked the age thing, you know, doing that right now, I feel better than have played rats through years kids. You know, you don't want to take too much time away from the the biggest thing for me. That's the reason I step away. Individual was. When I wasn't training. I was still thinking about trading rose individual obsessive. I woke up every morning like will was to be business win ruffling every single day in after we have to do that. If you want to be interview on excel what you're doing. I knew that. I did most of being a dead. I can still on the team to trade really are what when I'm going crazy. I'm Bill creating like I'm not thinking about what need to do next. And. Today's immediate something else in. But it's not as a big stress wasn't individual Israel. Israel said family things a lot relationship kinda Makmur. A. Some of it. You honestly regret that. I mean, that's what you have to do to to the message. I think are you competing as an individual this year is that just April Fools joke. Today. Stroke care. No. I mean, I like I said. Being on a team. I can still push in still have that drive as individual, you know, after years of being individual just kinda act feel like I'm still probably close to that fitness low. You know, there's obviously days where I feel like above that physical fitness level, interstates run below that fitness level, but to being individually Cam that switch of dislike, you know. I'm I'm ready to feel it kept have something approved. You feel like you have a chip on acceler or whatever it is. And you need that like if there's five guys they're all the same physical capabilities. One person has that mental edge. That's how you win and I just as an individual really happen anymore. And I'll give anything for my teams, which is hard as I can for for the guys who comes next to me. But as an individual just like I said, I don't go to to get second or third or for patient metal like a win. I just don't that's not in my head that makes sense Frazier. One. Fourth championship. That's that's the the goal question. But. It's just different primes like super bit. Obviously, a great athlete, and so we're different different points in our career points in our lives for sure I just picture like some tumbleweed going in front of you two guys. And you guys haven't an old fashioned western. What if you noticed because you mentioned earlier that like you started taking a little bit more better care of your health as you knew started getting a little bit older? So what type of decline have you noticed because? Yeah, you're an athlete, and you know, your body, you definitely can feel certain things. What have you felt because it's not like, you're you're not old, right? But you said you felt a decline. There's a lot of those. Thought for thirty two year or I'll be thirty two July twenty how you like up until thirty. You're like, I'm twenty nine and ten months twenty nine eleven months and three days. Now, it's like, I don't turn thirty two chills. But if anybody ask someone is God three to there's not give up, you know. Like, it's there's no point the land. Honestly, the biggest thing for me has been in seventeen the week before regionals, I tore my meniscus, and man, it just you know, I've had the course shops compete that next weekend and then had the court zone shot about four weeks out from games. Just so I could compete at the games, you know, thought after quarters shot, you're good to go and was thinking not known donating surgery will then after the game that have go in have cleaned up. Just, you know, some some there was a small tear on the medial side that I had a chronic care my ladder inside than I never really even knew about. But man, the the recovery effort that was a nightmare. You know, everybody's like six weeks. And you're good to go, dude. It was, you know, six months, and I'm still couldn't swat Loker a little bit about feeling like there's a golf ball backside of my knees. So you know, I did the did stem cell Cup around the sim so three different treatments of. Highly run a gas in tried the fly part series three part six one part series. And nothing really, you know, the biggest thing of painting. Do pain information where I can't you know, it's limiting into motion. And so actually went back to the dock. This was a full year later duck Applecross games because it swelled up again during the days he was like at do terror. He said we go in there flush L each ole NFL operators like, yeah. Yeah. Let's go into a up. You're good to go. House like let me make do some some research, you know, trying to figure out what other options are. And so I took about six or eight weeks. I limited just ranked emotion. Try to do a lot of single stuff and stuff like that. Will then I found this DO in town. He does is a ton of different like manipulation, and it's strain counter strength therapies when it's called similar air tea, but as long joint and then some acupuncture, and man it was back in. December of this year of beginning January Rick from went to one of Lucille. And he basically, I can swat can do most things, obviously, I've got to be pretty smart like there's days where it's a little bit slow in or you know, I can only run about once a week points week really goes without. We'll do like blinkered workouts where I'm standing alternating between standing and sitting with the standing at least I'm getting so, you know, pounding on inter like a body weight. You hold my weight on my feet. But then seated I can actually get the turnover rate that I would actually do running so little bit across over there. And I can I mean back to where I can swat and probably close to what you guys while I did three forty five for five in front squat the other day. And so, you know, I'm getting back to where close to the numbers. And I was doing be smart. So buried, please. Like, I said the best I felt a couple of years. I saw you one year you running from one event to another. And I swear you're like running in slow motion, and you're supple breasts were bouncing up and down and every woman in the crowd was just drooling. And watching you run by how have you been able to kind of keep your cool, and how have you been able considered the greatest of all time, and you're so young how they've been able to keep. Level headed has your faith in God or anything like that? Ben something that's helped or or maybe relationship with your parents or something like that. I think obviously my faith by what I do in my my tattoos relation six fourteen minutes. It's that's basically all about being pumped Hewlett's may never boast anything except the cross Lord. By speaking respect me. I don't world. So obviously, that's a huge, you know name. It's not about me. It's about you know, God. And those are the talents that I've been given. I don't necessarily think that hey God's gonna help me win this event. But it's more of like, hey, what can I do for you the talents that you've given me in the health, and Adam mobile blessings that I have that's my gift back. Let also. Yeah. I mean have appeared to real that have all ready. We're not gonna really gonna do much trash and you're gonna keep your head down. You're gonna work even at work versus next to you. My wife definitely keeps me humble because care less anything about cross. The first time I snatched over three hundred dislike little charity kinda competition. We get back, you know, everybody's pumping Mia talking about owning rich Nash three hundred law. I just I don't see the point. You know, what you need to do that? And so that's a constant reminder. May she could care less about anything, which is good. Like, that's I don't want somebody that loves the only because of my fitness level. I think honestly cross bit to as a as a program res-. That's my spoarer keeps you humble because you may win an event, but you're going to get your ass kicked in another it, you know, so you you may be the fittest. But you're still get beat a lot throughout the weekend. And so I think for me that keeps me on the knowing hey might be pretty good at something. But I'm probably going to be his running or something like that. So that's that's Warwick keeps me over here. So. So in regards to your wife, not really caring about your awesome, accomplishments and whatnot. When you're in the thick of everything what was the dynamic, like when you know, you're you're spending so much time competing so much time getting better and yet you have a wife at home. That's maybe not not super pumped about you know, everything you're actually able to do. So what was that? Like when you're kind of in the middle of all that. Yes. There was some. Headbutting going, you know, she just didn't realize if why we couldn't take vacation beginning of June. When everybody else does which impede at the end of July. It's kinda funny in took a couple of years for her to kinda realize this is this is who you're married. That's I'm not going to change you not gonna change me. Like I said in the beginning. We we have some because we actually started dating before I started doing cross it. And she actually, you know, we kinda grew in- into it together. Now, it's kind of a beauty. It was. You know, everything kind of was the progressive, you know, ramp up to the to where we are. Now, wasn't an overnight discounts everything changed. So I'm we're able to grow into she's been nothing, but supportive in route everything, but yet we definitely instill do, you know, there's some times from like, hey, I need to go downstairs for thirty minutes. Let me go get something in. And she's finally realized that it's it's better just to let me move not be an asshole than if I, you know, so to stress out wanting to do something that up that it's just bad ferment which something else that helped in that area because the women in Crawford are beautiful. They got these tiny little short on it does including your wife in like the gym atmosphere, and maybe traveling with her has anything like that has helped in. In addition. Yeah. For sure in all like. She's she's really good friends with all the girls that train and compete with us. So, you know, so those skills her best friends she's ill. Obviously, we're we're at the house ninety nine percent of the time trading. And then, you know, it's got to be smart when it is hard like there's so much, you know, stuff out there that could pull you another way. The big thing is like making sure you're never alone ever alone with another perfect. You know, obviously that goes without saying, but just be smart like it'd be an idiot in. That's she's she's super supportive like I said, and she does travel may she it's funny, though, she liked cherry picks where she walks ago. I go to China with us tomorrow. But she didn't go to emerald Texas with me two weeks. This limits. So she doesn't necessarily snuggle necessarily admire your profit capabilities, but she doesn't mind the money that rolled in this. This. The story to get killed me when she never listened to skip. She never listens as either. So she loves girls close with my daughter. She was upset like I was obsessed with with clothes, and like the most expensive in all these frills those Joe and so one night, I'm helping fulsome close. Take some stuff up to closet Oakland. Guru Mike who'll each like how much I'm just thinking in my head dollar signs. And I walked back. There's a Mike art. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything how much money do think you've spent on lake close it. She goes it's Hoppy in like expensive as hobby. She looks at me dead serious, and she goes across fits inexpensive. Hobby. That's what painful this. She's like. Well, you know what I mean? Like if you worked so good at it. It would be an expense. Argument doesn't make any sense whatsoever. So yeah, that's that's basically my religion. You know what I'm curious. What is it that built you to get into cross because you said you started like a little bit after you guys were together. But Crawford is painful, you know, I did have a nila cross type workout, and I was dead. It was nothing compared to what you do. But what prepared you to be able to handle those types of workouts and deal with that pain day after day? Yeah. We actually talking to somebody about this death. It gets kind of a mix of like a perfect mix of everything, you know. My parents growing up, my mom was her parents reformers, my dad, you know, what didn't live on form. But it was always always doing something always working. My parents are in any room or the two of the artists workers in the room. They weren't you know, we we had a lot of chores to do. But they weren't making us do stuff while they were sitting around like they were either doing something else we were all doing work together. So having them playing sports growing up in high school baseball college baseball high school baseball coach with one of my biggest mentors, especially in hard work. And you just the thing we ran more than the track team. I felt like it's completely worthless. We'd go to the weight room. We do these like ridiculous circuits that have in, you know, talking to him now like I have no idea what? Kurt. And so just the mental side of that, the, you know, the, you know, physical growing up to football being outside of the flavor for years. That's actually caught phone hospitals. My degree next science professors at you should check out crossing a lot military police fire guys through prostate. And you know, when I was at the fire station if we were to sit around by about five o'clock, you had your free time. He knows twenty four off the eight off after five o'clock traditional workday. You could Bill work out. You could watch TV hang out you could actually recruit reclining recliners, we couldn't recline for block. So most this hang out. I go back to the Jim because I had nothing to do with just a work out for couple of hours, and they'd give me so much crap. Because I was back there. I couldn't sit still that long. I think it was just a mix of all those things and found cross fit and actually did my per partition. We are way at spring break was like out love fit guy. I think it would be in the top twenty it'd to fifteen traits. So they can will be the cop twenty or go ahead given early on regular winning month sexual than the there. So yeah, I think like sentence of a mix of everything not one thing that I can really pinpoint this the answer. But all up how many people are in cookeville, Tennessee. The is technically gets forty thousand people live in the city limits. There's about four or five small towns that are around cookeville. Everybody ten of works in cookeville. So they say during the day, there's eighty two hundred thousand people in cookeville. So it's now there's more than one stop like, you know, we have we've got your full away. Now, we got Chick-fil-A elegant things everything you need. How did how is the fittest man on earth found in cookeville, Tennessee, can you explain to people a little bit on how cross fit maybe used to work. Yes. So honestly wanna Michigan four years old moved Tennessee? And so we've lived here since I was four years old so go on twenty eight years in. Yeah. It used to be we had, you know, we started training at I got a college opened a gym couldn't afford a car sets cross fit. I one regional stay was like, hey, waive that fee for regardless of cross fit. So we opened cross mayhem. And then, you know, you're going to games a couple of times and in everybody will succumb to cook cookeville. So now, we have Fraser lives here. Part of it's part of the year. T- to me lips here will Hinshaw credential who's endurance coach specialists here growing mckernan who's one of the host of the game. He's moving the cookeville as well. We've got a couple of individual exit of the deal athletes that are on our team as well. So both kind of the becoming the one of the hub of roughly guess is still have the outlet stuff. But. We're which now, but how was it that you were found can you explain a little bit how profit works, or at least worked at that time is what used to be you basically to signed up for Sanctional or a section of a section of and you compete at a sectional and the top fifteen from each sexual to regionals the top three from each region. Went to the top five Mitch region to the games. And so that was what happened to me for the first year two thousand ten will the second that next year. They'd kinda completely changed everything up and they used to have. Well, they still have the open in from the open. You took the top. Well, you go way back. There were sixteen regions top forty from each region in the open went to regionals top three from each region. Went to the gains will then they changed it again in you went down to eight regionals on the top one for me soup so rating or whatever immoral went to the radio. Migrants the days. Now, your guess is mind works. For individuals with you or the top twenty in the open or if you are a natural shave him or win one of these now sanctionable you ugly, grossly games through the teams for us. The or person teams that are now just want a section so opened sections which were going to tomorrow on chain. Win one of those with the gercy gigs. So the cross open was really what Blue Cross fit wide open so to speak because it was internet competition, and like when I think about competitions. And I think about you know, maybe some of the biggest competitions in the world. The only thing I can think of that might surpass. It would be like American idol. But never in the history of fitness has there ever been anything remotely close to this and in cross fit? I find it amazing that you can compare yourself to somebody in your age category. You can compare yourself to somebody in your area your state. In the country in the world. Right. It's it's a it's unbelievable. The way that that has been set up. Have you found that to be like a real big motivating factor for a lot of the people that you've worked within your Jim this kind of like ranking system of over two hundred and fifty thousand people. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's definitely a motivator. You have a lot of people that you know, it's it's more accessible because they can just do it here at the gym. So for us. We will do is a Friday night to have what we call Friday night lights. So it gives people, you know, really cool is in NFL or pro baseball. You can't go actually get on the field with Tom radio or any of those cycle. People were playing baseball in you know, Joe against just Burland or somebody like that. But in crossville, you can go against Matt Fraser, you go against he to me because they're doing the exact same workout scripted. You have to have the opposite passing the dude overground, but you can still do a workout these sake. We're got worry civil workout in compare exactly where you're at against them. Which makes it kind thing in this is a different dimension to any other sore. Do you think that there? Do you think that there's anything right now that could get you back to doing an individual? 'cause I know you said how much of a strain it has on like your family. How much you have to focus on it. But is there anything that could drive you in that direction? Do you do at this moment feel that there's no way you're going to have to make that sacrifice to do that again? I just look at said, I've come obviously, it does creep in your mind, some days, you're like man, I've still got another busy like men. I'm glad I'm not doing this anymore. You know, it's. There's it would take a miracle honestly for it to happen. It's just not there right now. I can't say that that won't change over time. And who knows Matt's gonna win for that. Obviously is going to happen. He might win probably been five, and I I trying to say that that wouldn't creep into my head whatsoever. But who knows you know, like, the all competitive, well, most of us that do crossover competitive in who knows if that something creeps into my head. But I, you know, it's it's it's comparing apples so different and get a chance to go head to head with him when he's out your gym. Sometimes. We did in the beginning. And we tend to realize quick that. It's not good for either of our, you know, he'd beat me. I'd be him. And it was just like somebody's going to die in. There's really we don't. We don't train them together. You know, he travels or or travel schedules are a little bit different in just there's a log on. We just realized in the beginning. We can do some stuff similar together. But we don't need to go esus, not not healthy for either one of those because I really not healthy for friendship. How about the team since it's so new like your team has won the most team competition so far right? Tide technically. But yeah, okay. Do you have any long-term goals as far as that type of competition is concerned since it's less of a strain? I'm not a huge in this as weird as it. Sounds people think that all people that are successful have to have roles. I'm not huge goals guy of than when I wake up. You know, we're going to our goal is to win. You're like, that's Michael I really have short term goals or anything like that. I have a goal that usually starts today until the cross games every year. That's when the girls games the next year. And that's you know, I want. Times as we can win at keep doing that. They've kind of changed it up this year where you can basically make super teams and people don't have to to train together to be almost same team. So that's you know, we're going to have to kind of a goal of into that and figure that out too. So we've already had to do that a little bit growing up where you grew up. You know, I see some videos of you guys shooting some stuff, and you guys catch and football's while you're going down, a a wet ramp into a pond just looking like you're having a lot of fun. Do you think, you know, being free like that? And being able to run out in the woods, and do some, you know, do some things that maybe other kids didn't have access to you think some of that was something that allowed you to end up becoming so good and cross it just because maybe as a kid you were just constantly like either working and doing a chore or like playing. Sure. Yeah. No. I mean, I that's one of the biggest things is. I we grew up in a place where I could literally go outside get lost climb. Trees. We were killed off of a little little bluff with garden hose when I was a kid, which was a bright. I mean, my parents are super supportive is legacy as long as most of the time as long as we found something to do outside or or something productive. You know, they were gonna let us do it in weren't gonna make us do any chores. So most of the time we would go find our own own stuff to do obviously they're still supports that had to be done. We did a lot of that stuff. But yeah. Being able to. I mean, my parents were relieved my dad never told me know about you know, stuff like that. It was more be careful. And so I try to do that with you know, he was there about fall on a super young. But man, I climb trees. We ought stuff. It was just we had this the the kinda. The story behind the rope line where I think I'm in two thousand ten was we had a aerob- in the bar that it was to climb. And so long time trying to use my feet when younger he's like don't use the seat for pussies. And so thanks, dad. I never learned how to use my feet roof flack before the games of two thousand ten. Now, that's the story. Oh now. But yet known my parents, great on that type of stuff we we were always outside knows a little bit of adrenaline junkie. And I think that for sure belt when you okay, I know that you said you don't ever force your kids to like, no do cross fit workouts or anything like that. But obviously, you grew up being super active running around outside. Do you? Are there any things in your house where like you don't have as much eletronics or do you have them do things like that? Yeah. I mean, we obviously every you know, I was one of those parents are people that was like a never give my kid any type of electronics because it just you know, it's roster bring. But sometimes you need ten minutes to yourself, you know, and you're like this and will be, but I it's it's amazing. And it actually really stresses me out to watch. Just how engulfed my two younger a little bit too young to they try my son pace zero attention to anything other than what he can destroy it. Or you know, what the thing is that he can throw on the ground. But my daughter oldest daughter with Dipper phone. It's like you can't talk to her. She's just completely engulfed. And that scares you like, you're just like all right? If I walk Allison, you know, she's with the babysitter. She's on the phone. I'm like school. We're going outside like I try to limit that as much as I can at times. You're like, hey, I need ten minutes to myself. I need to get something done. Whatever it is here watch. You can watch Chico's the Tacoma. Also. But it's just basically two kids. But man, yeah, it's stressful. And so we have ninety acres now. And we're about to get some basin and build a little bit of farming. And so basically not have crazy not a huge huge deal. But I want my kids to have some type of chores, and some responsibility. Like, they have the ability to grow up to be stuck up rats, and I'm gonna make sure that that doesn't. Yeah. I like what you said about you talked about your daughter like having her phone, and then you suggesting, hey, let's go outside which is way different than hey, I told you to put that phone away. You know, it's a way different thing. You're not telling her what she can't do. But you give another option towards what he can do really like that a lot. She she's it's really cool to see that obviously she's a kid in Electric's big. But she's really big into Legos. And that's kind of a funny thing. Choose like, hey you upstairs and play Legos. And I'm like Hickey replace it Legos like, you know, if I'm instead of just sitting around doing nothing she wants to go play Legos, she's four and a half. So it's pretty awful in two thousand and ten when you did struggle with that rope climb was that something that kind of set forth the rest of your career. Do you think that was a moment that kind of needed to happen to get you fired up to start destroying everybody? Basically. Yeah. For sure, you know, I before that, you know, I've I've let cross can become in the previous months lacrosse kinda define who I was human being. And you know, like, I said my face is huge part of who I am. And that failure made me realize, hey that, you know, early things are what define me as a human being in. It really helps me to kind of disconnect from, you know, for a couple months after across of games that you're I didn't wanna do any growth was like man, I've got gonna wanna work out. And so it really helped me kinda back up to those k-. Once you start figuring out how do better not necessarily worried about how much weight but actually doing stuff correctly. You don't wanna cross-fitters maybe not now as as much, but we were back then it was like eight who cares? What it looks like run of them the fast and in now, it's like. All right. Let's Paul breaks a little bit in take the bar one ninety five or thirty five minutes to bar wellbeing lists where we start, you know, loan our spine and do all that type of stuff and overall doing for sure was that something that did help you to get away from allowing it to define you because I've seen I've seen a kind of burn a lot of other cross-fitters. I've I see it in our sport to and powerlifting and stuff like that. Where the numbers really define you. But how does how does somebody get away from them? It's foreign in. That was the biggest thing where I think like I said with my faith. It was that's what the finds who. I am in. You know, there anything with Crosby can be taken away from me. But that that can't really be taken away. And I, you know, somebody who you know, faith, isn't their thing. I think it's you know, getting outside of yourself. And and not letting you know it gets so one thing be who defines you as a human being like now my kids. I know that I'm dab I middle in this knowing there still are days where I let in what happens in the gym. Or what happens with members all that stuff to find like, I'm not saying that doesn't happen? But every day the new day, I try to figure out at the end of the day. Take a take repack and say, all right. I did this. Well, I did not this. Well, what can I do different? Moreover, in, you know, it's not where days room like men of data. They they've while ship short. So it's a itself the nets let's life. I think and it's long as your floor in our or able to be held accountable and can hold yourself accountable. Doing those things that you know, aren't necessarily the easy things to do of. That's that's good. What about maybe tricking tricking yourself a little bit with your training? Maybe utilizing the conjugate system doing something. That's a different let's say particular Crawford workout calls for some dead lifts and some pull ups or something like that back and forth. But rather than doing the actual protocol. Maybe you dead lift and you have some chains on the bar. And maybe when you go to your pull ups, you're you're doing a pull up on a fatter bar or something like that. You know, have you done things like that thrown yourself kind of a curve ball. So that you're not getting too attached to the actual numbers and the actual score. Maybe potentially making the work out a little bit harder or maybe making the workout even a little bit easier. Yeah. Yeah. I rarely do benchmark workouts on sleet, I do a lot of very Asians of benchmark rookie outs. Like just an example the other day one of the workouts for the first got that competed is called MandA, and it's just nine seven five. Most looks squad snatch at one thirty five will weeks ago. We did it was a three to one legless. Rope climbs with nights of spots that she will do a lot of stuff like that where it's similar time domain similar stimulus, but it's a completely different movement. But it's kind of beauty of what we do is. You can kind of change that stuff as much as you want. Like, I said, I really don't do one of the bench more strict straight across dot com, benchmark workouts, we use those kind of template, and then another thing. We've actually started doing is. It's tough it. Oh, 'cause intensity is a huge huge fee in what we do in intensity in all that stuff of one thing that I've sort of doing his adding some actual like interval met comes into will do that nights of bible retu- one legless will do we really three times. And so you rested till Tim almost complete Russ and Bill yet. So I'm gonna that's one of the things that people like you only ended a two minute workout today. And so we are you going to get better at a mile. You're not going to just run a mile. You're going to do it in different variations in different kinds of. That's kind of thing that I've learned over. My it's crazy to think back do crawl going to ten years. Let's. Let's. That's something. That's helped me a lot to just with my training is like I don't do the exact thing that I'm called to do in competition. And when I do it's still usually like small variation. And that just helps me from a mental perspective. I I don't wanna be. I do need to know where I'm out sometimes. But I also don't want to be discouraged. If I'm not exactly where I wanna be. And I think for someone like yourself, you probably already kind of know like, you know, whether you're five percent off two percent off or whether you're right on point. Yeah. I mean, it's still there's days where you're you. Don't realize how much stuff affects it up like the other day yesterday may not feel great. I did a biker workout and actually PR Mike twenty minute walk test by like ten watts which is pretty big actually, you know, until you know, those those days are good. I try to strike all irons hot. There's going to be days where you're like, man. I feel like garbage and he distracted just get through it. You know? And and that's one of the big things. People talk about class owes and over training and all that stuff as long as I try to keep it funding like. There are times where I felt like I was not necessarily physically overtrained. But mentally, I think this more mental thing than anything is law. I mean, obviously there there is visible overtrained even break review. You don't be ridiculous. But I think it's more mental for me personally as long as I'm having flown in enjoying doing. It's hard for me to be over trae across. It's really interesting at this point because nowadays like with a lot of other establish sports. You've seeing young kids starting right? And you look like their fiefdoms, and they're doing some crazy stuff and they're just starting really early. So for sixteen or seventeen year old kid that might be listening, and they say, they maybe they have a little bit of experience with the barbell. What would you tell them to do to get started? If they're like, I wanna be a competitive crossfire one in my twenties. Would you say start in find yourself across box. Would you tell them to start Olympic lifting? What should they do lay as many sports, they can physically bus loop? Let. I gets this. This is actually as my one soapbox that I get. So couple so box is one of my maintenance keeps them kids BMI K. I quit play football Reicher clammed baseball concentrate on being a professional crosser that drives me in staying. If I could go back today at my age. I would I would abused cross-fitters use some type like I would have gotten into way to squat. I never slide growing up because they know how to do it in our coach to teach us atop by. I did a bunch of veterans bunch of pull ups, you know, baseball players before our stuff we did ton of that. I will go back slot cream. Our cramp, Alexa, a Weber. I would I would play sports play workforce. I played baseball. What my concentration north thought? It'd be racial quarterbacking back or all tried other things. I think you meet you know, you can play more score. If you're going to have a larger base of the rest of your life to do cross fit or. Professional fitness. Whatever it is. Would you can't go back? They school on place. Fear. Like, yeah. You can quit for call weeks off all fairly. Although there if you can't go back, and you can't replace the memories that I have walk through of the competition that I had grown up playing baseball some of my best friends there, and you can't replace that. So for me. Rips? It kills me going to hear kids say off with this to concentrator use cross fit forty four. Obviously, I think yet make sure you're doing movements correctly, necessarily worry so much about weight more about our value. Movin moving the ball or doing pools correctly, and all that type of stuff, but in placing these men woman quickly for disease, yet, how advanced has your training got you seem like you're pretty bare bones like I'm just gonna like Ron I'm going to sprint or I'm gonna do Crawford workout. But has you have you done like CO two max is have you had you know, anyone come in? And and scientific research. Do you have a running coach and lifting coach and a coach reach different thing. Or how do you do it? Yes. So I've done what Beal two types. I did a case study with my expert festers were. Most games. I did a Bill to leaning overnight. It'd be able to reach those two games to just kind of catalogue my training throughout your nothing like super vase. We did you know, some hand was a denominator. Die, mama, whatever. It is testing did a vertical leap that type of stuff. And then it was like one rep max stuff. So I did that was that three or four years ago? But as far as coaches work within Chelsom, he gives us some running stuff about some views off of each other. I've never really had a lifting coach work with coach fee sell. You know, he said town always great to work with him. But then I just kinda learned either what not most of the time what not to do. And then as it goes, I feel like, you know, with the team will kinda sit up on right stuff on the board Haywood, redone. We're not recently what time domains of we hit. You know, what lifts have we not done? How's everybody feeling kind of make ups like workouts like that? I did I did have a swim coach a couple years ago. And now, we kind of do that on Earl, but yeah, I think I think it's very beneficial to have specialty coaches for certain things as far as cross fit coaches go. I don't really think anybody has figured out as much as they think they do I think training purchase huge or somebody. That's the problem. The problem with. The thing. Cross the coaches that have been there. You know, like, it's hard to say, a will, you know? I know exactly what was going to go on what you need to do. Dogs you have competed. You have in that moment and actually been for mezzo for me is a big thing or like won't people around and people that are wishing. Just mainly working your ass off. Right. Very much. That's the that's the thing is I think there's some some short to agree or some easy way to get there. But it's it's our values comes back to that. You know, on that note, you mentioned that they haven't been there, and you ONA like you, obviously you own your own made cross it, Jim. Post competing, or I don't know when that's going to be for you. Do you see yourself like working with a lot of people in that way? Like, what is it that you wanna do outside of competition? Yeah. I'm still still trying to figure that out obviously. You know, I always just kinda m in what's the next opportunity that presents itself? I would I think I can help maybe do some coaching. I just it's hard for B two. I'm usually the the lead, by example, type of person vs rocket in your face. Give you some VS patch on acetate and good to go. I'm more. Like, hey, let's let's go do this right there with you. I think actually that comes from my parents like I said, it was they were never going to ask me to do something that they were going to do, you know, I never got some big speech from my dad about you know, if I missed you play bat base put is like well be better next time. You know, it was it was kind of an expectation it. So that's not really sure to be. Let's though, I feel like that probably would be where I ended up in our in Walden. It's work in subway. I am not sure how how you know a team. That's not my on the comforter, the the the nurture on the team on more of a, hey, why why don't you try after over here? I can't handle this. Like, I it's just my personality. Obviously, I'll I'll do anything and help them out any way kid will almost we stay under control emotionally were. All right. Miller's. It's just not my forte think it'd be very beneficial for a lot of people just to hear your story. You know, that would that would be great place to start. So is many people as you can share your story with. You know, just how everything on fold, and how everything went for you where you messed up, and where you succeeded people love hearing stories like that. And that'll be motivational without being like a speech. You know, be motivational just ended up it self. It's just your body of work. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's. That's kind of what a realizing it's, you know, back when I first served across better, you know, one the games once or twice people ask me to come speak. Unlike my biggest fear, honestly from colleagues is speaking class. You know, like, it's it's just was not where I wanted to be now, I guess back. Then you feel like I didn't really do anything while you wanna listen to me speaking. So now, it's like let me tell you a little things that screwed up for. Yeah. The your willpower can be built, you know, whether it's a, you know, four, you know, cross fed or whether it's four like public speaking, you can kind of build up the nerve to to do anything. Yeah. Yeah. Let's take some time. You got to be questioned India. Yeah. Is is it weird being you? Meaning like, are you surprised at all that, you know, you you go to a across event, and you know, fans are freaking out and your dislike I've just been working my ass off my whole life. But yet now, you know, the name rich phoning is something that means something it's as as a right now, you know, the the greatest of all time when it comes across it does any of that. Like Where'd you out at all? Yeah. People try to take a picture in there shaking or something like or mitigate from either Dale I I just work out. Like, it's a work a lot in it just happens to be some people like to watch that, you know, it's hard for me like trying to tell them. Hey, no big deal like taught we're we're people in. You know? Luckily, like, I said, I kinda grew into that. I would've been overnight saying I've been really freaked out. And now, it's kind of like, you know, as the sport grew kind of grew with and so that helped time because like I said back years ago, I was still a little bit of amount. I'm not an introvert by any means. But I'm not I don't let crowns not a huge like outgoing person. So that's something that have kind of had to learn as we've gone in the to do that overnight. I think it would have been even more awkward, but could be back watch some old videos in interviews and stuff, you can tell your mother. Definitely needed some type of media training. It's it's kinda grown grown into. It wasn't an overnight thing. You know, you actually touched on a little bit. I'm not I'm curious exactly what these pitfalls were that you mentioned be as you said, there are a lot of things that you wish you didn't do what are those things that? Maybe you wish you didn't do that you might see other athletes doing and the second part that I wanna know is because since everything you do so intense even to this day, what are your best recovery methods and things that you think others should be doing. As far as things that I did role. I didn't take care of my body in jewelry. I didn't get any more done. I didn't do those type of things then there's a lot of double workouts, where you're just like why did I do that? It was far as volume wise rep wines stuff like that. I did this thing for almost a year and a half two years where I would do three hundred calories airline every single day. Looking back have been more productive. You know, like just stupid things for your, you know, not necessarily. I don't think it was a detriment to my fitness. But I could have been a lot more smart with my time. And even like, you know, now that I've over the years have realized this these things work or like, maybe I don't need to do as much volume as I needed to do certain things and all that type of stuff. It's just you know, there's probably too many really lists. That those are the main thing volume wise, this the. Smarter about how your training taking the Mississippi of recovery needs and stuff like that. I still honestly rest recipes they I feel better when I move every day. So they may not be a Aasheim Pizzi or as a at stressful, but still still move every single day in one of the big things too. Like Thursday's now, I just usually just swim might it's easier. Joints Sunday, usually just like hanging family a little bit more. As far as. The Mexican from recovering of swimming in few for be really like swim. I use it as a heart training session. But it doesn't beat me out of that. It's like injury twice a week around twenty five hundred meters. Each time in the pool of like set of the bike erga do that twice a week of doesn't beat me up like running does. But I can still get pretty decent workouts in actually last year also Volva cold tub, but not like a nice fancy coal tub. Lak- went to WalMart to Lowe's and bought a deep freezer. The an aquarium thermostat in there. Keep it at fifty degrees. And so I sit in that I haven't been doing as much it's been so cold outside. But now that it's warmed up will start doing that. Again, every day about ten to fifteen minutes in that million have influence on that a us not as much as I liked to because I have three kids. And so if I'm in there that kids are in and out Luth heat. It's ridiculous. But that was a big thing for me that I really liked to do when I have time regular summit to as well whenever I get swimmingly regular saw on. Recovering winds of us on a really like, hyper goal gun or they're gonna man I think that in like I said the biggest thing is now been going to this doctor the steel once a week do it he'll be back in the line. He did some of this joint therapy stuff. Then some acupuncture, honestly in as weird as that Saleh's years ago. I was like acupuncture, but this helped move some inflammation may feel better. We related that comes every two weeks and does a dry needling of. That's another woman that we do that's pretty much it as far as recovery. Like, I said, it's the hardest core on that's the one thing. Still gets a little bit neglected is recovery without three kids. Like if I'm trying to recover for an hour. My wife sees me sitting out for an hour. How's that gonna go news? Some very. Very. That's usually the biggest thing. Like, I said it's making a point to not letting myself get to the point where it be unfolding pork logo seen somebody. It's hey once a week take the hour and a half. Go see somebody stay in line, make sure recovering versus let the wheels fall off trying to put everything back together. That's that's been the big thing. Does your training at least adhere to something along the lines of you are maybe concerned about recovery. So just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should so in a given workout you can go full blast. And you can really blast yourself out. You have a tremendous work capacity. So that's got to be a little bit in the back of my back of the mind. You wanna be intense and you wanna go hard. But you probably just pull back a little bit on something or say, that's not smart to do that today. Yeah. Yeah. Usually, it's just goes fast as one refasten the person who trained. Yeah. Because you have so many days where you can actually will put the pedal to the middle. It takes much out of it. But yeah, I mean, obviously, we're trading hard. But probably resale goes to canvas by around eighty five ninety percent if he hadn't really look at it. And then like, I said, it's being smart with like, hey, my knees of little bit, you know, slowly today, but hits not feeling great on that side. Let's not let's not go for a flamboyant max in front swab or something like that. And just trying to be smart about that type of stuff is like, hey, the benefit I might get or the strength. I might get actually might not how because I can't walk to more. So that's that's hard as it is to be smart. Sometimes you gotta do that is it is tough. When you're you're Jim, and you have your guys around you. And you know, maybe someone's trying to compete with you or you have a guest and they walk in. And you're like, you know, oh, I'm going to take it easy today. And they're like, whoa, wait. But you're you're the crossfire champ. I'm gonna I'm gonna see what you got is. A hard to kind of step back from that. It used to be now like Amora I have to prove to you anything. For for the first couple of years. It was like, oh, yeah. I just isn't that? But you know, what I'll do it again because you're doing it. And then somebody new coming because, you know, back then I have a group that would come train in the morning. A group that came and train at midday and the group that would come train an afternoon. And so I'm like, oh, yeah. Well, I'm gonna do I did all ready again because I'm proved to you. I'm fitter that you the Nath renewed safe thing. Now, Moccoli we all kind of all trains together. And so it's not that big a deal. So we all kind of hold each other accountable. But yeah, it was for years. It was just like, oh, yeah. I haven't power cleaned this morning list duty again, just because though I was a kid. Maybe Dave might make us do the the game. So it might have to be ready for that. And like this. I'm an idiot. Those are some of the things like you said things that I learned, hey, you don't have to there's still some days that I feel like I want like show outfit. I am to two new people or to you know, the. That with that. There's most days of like, I'm on be smart here. What do you think of the current state of cross fit? Oh, man. It's confused. Honestly. You know, you can't. I don't really know. How to feel about some of the stuff like obviously, Greg as big picks, right news. He's wanna do. It's his baby. And if he wants to burn to the ground, and he can do that, you know, like it's his it's his to do. And you know, as as an athlete has got a real punches and have to adapt it at what the new standard is gonna be your what the new new norm is going to be. There's not much we can do and just do what we can to control we can control nets train artwork art and trying to put the best team out there. Best individuals, whoever you are out there. I think like I said, it's it's great. It's great baby bird or do whatever he walked with in in. We can't really do anything about it. I'm interested to see what can happen at the games this year. You know, there's a couple things that you know, I think would would rugby ran could be a little bit different. Like, I think the open is a little bit hard that people. Call like the names of the. You know as much as we want say Ross Witter's, all holier than thou. Nobody's gonna cheat a Bill like this might be feeders fair. And you know, it is what it is. Do you think maybe cross-stitch should have like a board of maybe some former champions like yourself, maybe get a couple of people together to maybe, you know, make some decisions on fit games or things that matter. Maybe I think it might be beneficial. But like I said, it's it's with what if he asked to help other ask a bunch of us ex athletes or exceptions to sit down at kind of go through some stuff. I'd be happy to help. But I don't think he has to do that. I think it might be beneficial. But if that's not what he wants to do and even run a company wants to wrote up before it, man, you mentioned cheating have you seen or or how do you feel about the testing? Have you been tested for PD's yourself? And you know, what have you kind of seen in? In the crossword game because a lot of people will say look how Jack these guys are local rip. These guys are look what look at their performances of the men and the women they think that people are on anabolic steroids. PD's what are your thoughts on that? I'm one hundred ninety two pounds and five nine. There Royds I would like to find some better steroids. You know, I all four testing and offer doing much testing is possible been tested a couple times out season. Urine and blood everybody talks about how easy it is to cheat. I guess I'm just too stupid to even look how to cheat or don't even feel like they'd somehow find that on my phone. I've never done any of that stuff somehow last year when we showed up to register I got randomly or my team got randomly selected. I got randomly selected to drug test at registration, and then hosts games they've read or they test all the individuals teams podium in somehow I got randomly selected to give one after the game too. So yeah, I I'm a core up. They couldn't give what every single day. But if I could go back and give all I have. And and as many your examples like good this to shut people out. I wouldn't do it. You know, I think people are gonna cheat in. You know, it's not to say, we'll cross fitters. They would never cheat. You know, as you start throwing money in their favor or any of that type of stuff people are going to cheat in. So there might be some cheaters out there. They did test the people last year at regionals and all that type associate like they kind of stepped up their game. But I don't know. We'll see. As cross whatever broken, you, you know, you mentioned, you know, losing the two thousand ten games. And I'm sure you've had I know me personally, I I've had workouts where I've driven home from the gym. And I've been super frustrated mad sad. I cried after workouts and stuff like that before as cross whatever broken you down. Trip to tag like said there was you know, I was dark place like rosette didn't enjoy doing any of that stuff. And then really this man this niece has or it was, you know, I couldn't do the things I wanted to do contain the way wanted to trade. It it's really kind of promotional thing when he can't squat. You know as bad as it sounds like sponsor terrible. But it takes much so much more than you think men either be days where I would just like be mapped. It'd be bad with kids. What what what am I doing like, you know? And so that injuries are spend really are announced the. It's it's not fun in like, I said, it's yeah. There's been days were have a bad workout or things happening. Your dislike lie might want to let this, you know, really mess with me this bad like tomorrow's a new day admits Nestle I've had kinda learn as like, hey, there's going to be dazed that you're not going to feel as fit or as strong or as healthy as think you are. And then there's going to be days, we feel great. So it's it's like I talked about earlier kind of with the evidence new day, you know, everybody that does a big sport wants to wants to be the best no matter when they start. They want to try and be the best if you can go back to like no eleven to fourteen. I know you said that there is something you need to have internally to be able to do something like that to be able to achieve that, mentally what does that look like on a day-to-day basis? Like, yeah, you're training hard. What's going on in your head? Oh, man to it. Grow waking up every single morning was my goal was to win the Crosby games than I would sacrifice any and everything. Like, that's what I wanted to do. I don't know. Honestly, we were talking earlier how where that really came from. I think it was a mix of everything one of thirty two first cousins, my mom's side, twenty five dollars voice. And so any get together any family get together was always some type of competition. And I hated losing a hated the barest -ment like even if it was just me and somebody else I felt embarrassed losing. And I still feel that you know, like. You know, the the saying, you know, I like to I don't like to win as much as I hate losing that as one thousand percent true. Like, I I feel embarrassed losing and anything is so stupid. But it's just the way where I give. You mentioned earlier about goals. And you kind of said that you don't really set a lot of goals. Are you the kind of person that like writes things down sometimes like in terms of maybe something that you want to do business wise, or if a certain idea comes to your mind for something that you may want to do with one of your sponsors like rogue, fitness or something you wanna do at the gym do journal things. Do you write things down? How do you stay on track with that kind of stuff? No. Right down. Don't read down two things. If I do have some type of my d I will either. No at it. Or I usually just go mmediately to the source of whoever I think can get that done. Is it something for the gym? I have a couple of different directors in charge of different things will be okay. What do you think of this? We can about some ideas back and forth. You know? I'm I'm not a huge like I like other people's input. So alexa. Hey, what do you think of this versus? Oh, I know. That's a good idea. I wanna hear somebody else. You know, they may have better. Just maybe needed the push. They can run with the idea. Yeah. I'm not a huge like like he's journal motto keep journal remaining like that. But I do have a note Pat on my phone ran down workouts in the lead type of stuff. But as far as like, you know, writing stuff down not huge, huge personality. What something that you? Enjoy enjoy doing that. Maybe most people wouldn't think of like are you at home watching some crappy reality TV, or you know, you have anything like that in your back pocket. Huge TV Fayette of. And I like movies breaks of the marble. We knew endgame to come out, and we are going to China, and it is coming out earlier there. In the it is an English found that out to you know, I love all those movies was never to comic book person, though. But I love the movies. What else? I like the office. Just now started watching offices surprising. That is it's it's definitely I can't believe it took me. So we'll watch it. But I don't really have a ton of time for TV. If I did watch TV's, mostly Disney junior. So. Off about their. I'm huge sports fan. Love of watching veteran football as bad as it was watch the combo, and then I like to just man I like to be outside like the hunt play any type of sport. I can as long as you know, I can still move around do stuff picked up hockey the last five or six years ago like to go we have lakes around here. So do some like wake surfing, I used to wait board a lot till I I don't have that switch. It's like, hey, you shouldn't do that. And not too old for that. So yeah, it's like like being outside like doing stuff like that into any books. Oh, yes. So I do have a goal to read a biography of every US president. I read of Bill o'reilly's killing books read all those. And then I read Reagan's biography read almost finished with George Washington kind of backtracked on the going back to the beginning read, George Washington's biography, I met president w George W Bush, and then he gave me a signed copy of his books. That's pretty cool. You would enjoy on the history channel to call the men who built America. And it's the the frontier is got like Daniel Boone, and all those people on it pretty pretty cool in that kind of kind of reminds me of you. I can picture you in one of those funny. Little hats, you know, with the raccoon on it or whatever. Hutton down. Some hothouse him. Dear had one of my lieutenants of the fire department. We couldn't watch anything but the history channel. So. Action really joint history. So it's pretty cool. But yeah, I that sounds like something I'd really like what's your favorite thing to do with your family? Kids right now, love ripe around razor like a side by side. Cool. You know, this having them outside and like lakeland has this little it's going to stay psych so stability bike that is a motorcycle to electric engine little motor. It's pretty awesome to have her just ripping around on that saying, you know, just being out there at doing things with them and have some fun. And like, I said, my son right now is just he's a he's a tornado recall trace mania, downhiller, trice Askar or trace NATO. He's he's literally just destroys everything. So they're fun. And then my youngest she's just the sweetest thing. And she she eight year old though. But she starting to get some, you know, certain trying to walk in and do that stuff. So it's all my trip in or did I just die to see recently brick a sixteen point to record or was that a while ago? Yeah, was sixteen point two is actually after I saw Arkan enclo-. You know, all the other guys were doing it. And you know, I was traveling a lot. So I couldn't do it that morning and so Monday it was like, let's do this. I honestly going into it as lameness. It sounds like still hurt yourself. You know, had cleaned anything over two seventy five in months. And so it three three fifteen percent reps was was going to be a little shaky in we came out the other side. All right. So it was good. Yeah. Watching you guys work out that day was insane. There was like twelve or thirteen championships between everybody that was at wrote that day a lot of people in their pretty fit. It was I was like man, I'm I'm way too fat for this room. I need to get here. Hey, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. Where can people find you? And if you have anything coming up that you'd like to promote go ahead and fire it out. Richie goes or it couldn't make an out. They're going to do Skype lines. But, you know, rich rolling on Instagram just average frowning Instagram Twitter, weeding twinning, we have YouTube channel cross mayhem and then prostate made him dot com. Pretty much all that we do have frowning Arps coming out. So we'll see what that turned into relate. Really not sure what that's going to be. But we'll have some vice. Oh, awesome. Yeah. And then you've created some products with rogue, fitness, and you have some different barbells. And then even with Reebok, you guys created shoot together. I think right. Yeah. Yes. Rogo got a bar Bill squad. Stay in for home. Gym type squad stated jump rope. And then with Reebok we have a payroll. We've got shoes shorts shirt really enjoy that was pretty cool to to work with him on that type of stuff. So yeah, what's it like being part of that process where they? This huge company shows you like these different colored shoes and these different styles. And then they show you different Queant from rogue. And they say, you know, pick out what you'd like tweak it. What's that experience? Been like ooh road is also though Bill Katie or are the best they're super supportive, and they're just they get ill. Okay. Remember this Blackmore Bill Archer on what else you want to do? So you can change the needling did a couple of different things. That's also then, hey, if you have swat stand in your basement, what would you do? So I have that. And then with Reebok, you build a shoe, tell shore with Reebok is also he at first you're kind of like, I really don't know. He's like do this. You don't want. What things do like, she what do you not like about shoe, and we did a great job that? So it's it was a cool process of animals long process to couple two years, basically to get it done. But it was really happy with the way came out on the other side had to see how much rogue has grown from the beginning is insane. Because I you said. You've probably started with them around two thousand ten or so right? Yeah. But if it was banned in there's also people they work are and literally that's that's true testament to just just work in they've done. Thanks again. Man. Really? Appreciate you coming on the show. Awesome. Guys will visit cookeville. I definitely do. I definitely do for sure. Open invitation aggregrate day guys. Thanks. When. We got to start working out. I think. Yeah. Yeah. We do and even really slacken often Sima. I know man, it's it's pretty rough. I I'm out of shape, I'm getting shape. It's showing I love I love the just so physical. You know, like, he's not. He's just like a doer like he doesn't even he doesn't have time to really stop. And even thinking, I don't think he's just like constantly doing shit. It's ingrained in them. You can tell like even always running around as a kid always doing stuff. He's just used to that. He doesn't get up in the morning and meditate journal. He just does things. Yeah. Just the savage or it just seems like, you know, he doesn't need to write stuff down because he's like privacy genius. Right. He just like, no. Why would I write that down? I know exactly what my day's kinda look like or what have you? But you just living in the moment to just go and going on. And then something pry pops up in his head or whatever. Like, you said he just contacts whoever. Yeah. Whoever to help them out with it. Yeah. It's it's almost like scary, right? Like, the his attitude towards like I'm gonna win like because I hate losing it worked out fantastic for him. But like, you know, that could almost become toxic and someone else who might not have this work capacity that he has. But I mean shit. He obviously. You got a good grasp on it. Yeah. I think you can only be that way. If you're coming out on top more often, you know because otherwise you really are. I've seen a lot of cross-fitters really crash and burn and just being super upset with themselves and be really frustrated with where they're at. And then they try some of these workouts, and they they do the same weights as everybody else and their injured, and it's like, well that this isn't going to sink going to help your hinder is gonna make it way. Worse. You know? Yeah. I wonder how many big losses he has to deal with his first games. He got second. Literally the first time he competes in cross, but he gets second. Yeah. Right. And then he gets I I I first piece. That's that's crazy. No, you don't like. I wonder like what he if there were any like big losses. He added a, you know as a teenager refuse. Always just been kind of close to the top and being close to winning at things because I mean, come out and go get second in your first games. That's not normal. Yeah. I think most cross-fitters that are at a high level they were at least pretty good at something previously. And he was a good baseball player. Good enough to play in college and with Matt Frazier. Matt Frazier was good Olympic lifter. Not not great not the best, but very very good. And that makes a huge difference. And then they get into the sport that may be plays into their height their body weight. And it just ends up being kind of a perfect recipe. And as he mentioned he just was out playing all the time as a kid. So it's like, where's that work capacity? Come from to compete in something like crossing games. It's like a five day event. And I think it's. It's I think four out of the five days are brutal. And there's like one day was like a little less stuff. I guess or something like that. It's at least four days in a row or something. And you know, how do you have a work capacity for that? Well, maybe the work we have work capacity for that is to be a wild man when your kid, you know, I think Matt Frazier's life was similar. I think he grew up doing a lot of stuff outside something like hunting long-duration like is hunting really that exhausting. I mean, it depends on what you're hunting. And how you doing it? But it's but it's like long, and it's like as long slow process. And I would imagine that if you traveled somewhere to hunt, you might hunt for a few days in a row, and you kind of think about like, okay? Well, that kind of matches up with what you're doing and cross fit. And then when you kill something. We'll you gotta do you drag it, you know, it's heavy. There's a lot of a lot of good physical activity that I think was embedded into rich phonies life at a yeah. Young age which helped build them being uncomfortable for long periods of times, the big thing because when you get to that exhaustion point during one of those workouts, and it's not like it's towards the end. It's like halfway through your feeling dead. And you have another half of workout to finish off a takes a lot of just a lot of grit. Yeah. You must have to pretty much always stay in shape. Otherwise that restart would be so hard. You know, if you went out, and you're supposed to do, you know, five mile run, and you went out, and you're two miles any like half dead that wouldn't be that'd be a shitty feeling or your midway through a workout that takes twenty minutes watching, you know, watching these guys workout and girls it was man. It it blew my mind watching Matt Frazier. Do that work out that he was talking about was the sixteen point two. You said right are nineteen point to watching him do that workout was while they're just he did clean after. Clean with like three fifteen. I think it was at him and fraiche were in the gym at the same time. Yeah. Him and the same. Yeah. Yeah. They were in the gym at same time. They're doing different workouts. But like Camille LeBlanc was in there. She's one across what games. Sarah Sigmund daughter was in there. She's won the cry. I mean, there's just a bunch of crossfire games champions. It was just it was crazy to watch them work out. But to watch him continually manage this, you know, three fifteen on the bar for clean after clean. He would do like three reps in a row men who take a little break, and he'd do two reps and arro- then he'd take a break. But he was just just destroying of like, this is insane and rich frowning doing like, a workout. But he's considered to be like, easy, and he's doing single leg. Squats g HR, and maybe some double unders he was going back and forth between all three of these things. And he's talking to me as he's like doing. You know, and he's just just cranking rate through it. But I think that's a great thing about cross fit. And it's something that I've tried to share with people many times. It's like you work out doesn't need to take an hour. You know, you work out doesn't there's not a there's not like a prescribed time associated with having a good workout. You can go in the gym for fifteen minutes. I mean, we could go in the gym right now, and and do some shoulders and have a good shoulder workout. And it could take twelve fifteen minutes if we really wanted it to right? It's still be very very productive use drop sets or super sets or something like that dog crap training. Yeah. The dog crap training. It's like you do basically five sets in a row broken up with ten second increments in between and you drop the wait a little bit. But you know, crosswords kinda the same thing. It's like if you're going to do three things at one time, which is like a triplet, they call it. Yeah. Where are you going to go back and forth between to exercise? I mean, what if you're doing? Burpee and pull ups. It's like first of all how long have you been able to do that for? And Secondly how much more training. Do you need for the day? You know, as you can be done with it quickly, and you can get get and out of it. So that's exactly what I wanted to start cross it though back in the day. It's because I saw all these super Jack people lifting I loved lifting. But I also like wanted to be super jacked at the same time. It was inspiring to see that. But but like, I think that's kind of like what I I don't do cross it now. But you know, I do something that's high with cardiovascular work, and then I still get to lift I have the best of both worlds. This is kind of what I was aiming for in terms of the athlete. I wanted to be. So it's not cross it. But it's cross it. That's cool that you found it though. Because I think a lot of people don't a lot of people don't find it because they're told like, no, this is the way you have to do this. And it's like, yeah, I'm sure you want to. I'm sure you want a dead lift eight hundred pounds like or seven seventy five or get a PR or something. But you're also like we'll know my priority. Right now is jitsu. So I'm not really leaning towards that, you know, bigger dead lift at PR just yet. But you're maintaining your strength. You're keeping it up. Maybe even getting a little bit stronger, and it's able to show up on the map where that's the priority. You know? But I think a lot of people they don't really ever find it. Because now, you know, you can't do bodybuilding and powerlifting at the same time. And you know, you shouldn't really be doing all that cardio because that's going to break down your muscles. And that's the stuff. I try to share with people relate some people get pissed about it when I talk about it. But look if you like walking, and you like running or any like lifting or whatever, whatever the thing is things are that you like you can figure out ways to get them all done and still be a very productive. And it's not about PD's all the time. You can still figure it all out you could figure out a way to implement fast, and you could figure out a way to implement running into your workouts. I'm running about two or three days a week. That's not excessive. Let's not a lot like if that does pull away from my lifting then it should only pull away from my lifting for a real short period of time. You know, it shouldn't. And I'm not killing myself. I'm not running miles and miles miles. But just something I wanted to do I want increase, my cardiovascular training, and I didn't really necessarily do it for body comp. But I, you know, certainly helps and you know, I just think it's cool to find like find your thing. Find what feels good it makes you feel awesome got experiment more. And I do think it's super cool that he picked fasting. I wasn't expecting that the kind of workouts. He does like, you know, he's still performing at a high level. And you know, that his high level is extremely I even though he's not like, I don't fourteen shape. He's still in disgustingly good shape. He's he's a meat head through and through. And that's what I've always admired about him. He really is a meathead Jason Khalifa tries to cover up. The fact that he's at meathead but chasing Khalifa is enough ahead. And he's a meat had one hundred percent. Both those guys they love to train. They love it. They love the Barbone. I'm not saying in trying to say derogatory things about them. They're both very very smart people and there's a ton of things to learn from both of them. But even saw with rich. He's not like the super deep guy. He just goes. And does it which I I admire that, I think that's cool like he doesn't ne- need like a motivational speech. He doesn't need a a bunch of hype. He doesn't need a bunch of caffeine and stuff to get himself fired up for workout. It's just it's just in their. He just goes. And he just doesn't he kicks? Everybody's ass. Yeah. Jim settings. Interesting. Two years a gospel songs playing throughout the throughout every workout. It's pretty dope. Yeah. Hey, whatever whatever works for you. And then he's got a bunch of world champions there too. I that was amazing. He got everybody to move to Tennessee. Some of these high level coaches Nath lights and stuff super cool. Anyway, we're going to get out of here. Strength never week this week this never strength. Catch guys later.

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How We're Making the Most of Our Time Stuck at Home

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How We're Making the Most of Our Time Stuck at Home

"This episode of radio is brought to you by nets collection of full spectrum hemp oil products including oils body butter lip balm and their unique natural cycle collection for women. You can get fifteen percent off today with free shipping by going to www dot. Hello NED DOT COM SLASH. No meat that's www dot. Hello Ned dot com slash. No meat and use the code. No Meat Hi. This is help. Hi this is Katie from Washington DC. And you're listening on me every radio so this week. We're back with Matt. Frazier this really confusing with all these mats to mets. Last he goes just me and Matt Damon this week. Back with Matt Frazier. But we have a special guest It's very who I you know. I guess. By Way of introduction people who've interacted with our brand may know Julia through her work at eight hundred thousand plants or people who who are Olympic fans or skiing fans may Julia in that way. We're just begin. Fans she with hooked on plants or her personal site right recipe site and all the work. She does on social so eighty. Twenty plants hooked on plants and We have a an a true Olympia. The one of the best athletes ever host this podcast. Not One of the best ever hosted. Perhaps one of the best ever be on it. I mean we. We've had a decent number really time athletes but that that's talk Juliet you for coming. So why don't you take a second introduce yourself? What are you professional? Ping Pong has been known to pink some place in being song. I'm really bad at that though. No but I yeah. I went to the Olympics in two thousand ten for ski us. So for those of You. Who Don't know what that is. It's for four people going down of course at the same time with jumps and rollers and banked corners and the first across the finish line. We've onto the next round so lots of passing lots of action and I went to the Olympics in twenty ten for that and then I think that we'll get more into my story maybe next week but long story short I moved into the nutrition. Routemaster a bunch of injuries and then I became a Vegan and became really passionate about that started hooked on plants and then got into eighty twenty plants. And you guys in your long story short yes and like I said I mean you know there are a lot of. I mean. We'd go every episode we've ever done and now with with a more serious athlete voice talk about mindset and imposing on a goal. I mean all these things so wiry athletic you guys run crazy ultramarathons crazy things like that. So that's that's like out of my realm. Yeah that's true. I guess different a different type of athletic. Yeah you can offer hours at a time and just take a nap mid mid race. Yeah so like you said. We're going to have you on again next week to kind of go more into your Olympic story and you're kind of training history and and personally. I'm I don't know much about it so I'm really excited to learn about what it's like to you. A world tour. I put him for multiple seasons. I imagine and yet six years on the tour six years. Wow and you know what that's like and then I I kind of really want to know what it's what it's like to be going down that hill with three other people Adrenaline IS X. Games too I have a couple. That's the craziest course. We have actually six instead of four for that. Everything's more extreme. Yeah Yeah but anyway. Today we figured it might be a little weird to kind of given the basically the world has changed since our last episode or at least in this country things have changed in the United States and Canada. I imagine Oh yeah yeah we should mention your candidate. Julius yes whistler in BC our way of North America things have changed maybe the wrestling world was limited ahead of us but sir feels different from from last week so We think we just kind of talk about the situation With our spin on it which is of course you know. Hopefully a positive one But but basically what we are doing during this time definitely. I want to recognize it. Like people are really struggling compared to even we could go with jobs with kids being home from school and having to find some sort of solution for for caring for them not to mention people being sick or noise. Someone who's sick so you know all that probably goes without saying but Figured it's worth acknowledging. Because I think I think we are taking trying our best to have positive outlooks on the situation and that's what this episode will be about so I just wanted to to get out of the way But Yeah I mean things are. Things are suddenly totally different For for I'll just start. The big difference is that the kids are now home and We had already been home schooling my son for this year so that's not new and in fact it feels kind of good that we have some experience with home schooling because today we picked up a packet of stuff for my daughter to do from from her school and so. I feel like we're not totally in the dark there. What's interesting for me is like we had at the point for the past six to nine months. We've been at the point. Where like every Single Week? That evening is filled with kids activities. And I've always been someone who's been like we're not going to do that. We're going to try to let them still have a childhood you know like let's not doesn't have the booked every single day all the time and they're not both booked every single day but but it turns out that like we never eat family dinner together anymore because as important as that is to me. There just aren't nights when everyone's around to do it so like it's been a really interesting In many ways like funding positive change that like suddenly were just. That's all we have is in the evening. He's like we have. We're GONNA hang out. We'RE GONNA play Games. We're going to watch TV. We're going to a dinner. Cook Dinner So it's been for this first week. It's been you know that's been a really nice thing is like to just do what I thought what it always thought was important and which we sort of just let it slip away as things. I don't know if we'll bring long-term change or what if but it's been interesting and for me. Every day I wake up is sort of like wow. This is like a cool day ahead because there's just not that much like I'm just. I'm just really enjoying the feelings that we are having right now So anyway I I can talk. Many more specifics in things that I'm personally working on but just wanted to start us off their How about you guys? I can almost almost think we need to put some context into because everything is changing rapidly by the time people listening to this who knows what will happen but it is in the last week at least here in North Carolina where Matt and I are Julia. You can talk about what is happening candidate and the last week. They've basically shut down schools. They have Yesterday they closed all bars and restaurants Except for takeout and and things are just like next every day it seems like something else is kind of something really big is getting cancelled dacians of more than ten people together at a time. So I I don't like Has Canada done that aggressive or more aggressive? What what's going on now? It's changing every day. But while personally I live in whistler which is a resort ski town and Whistler blackcomb just closed for the season. So I'm just looking at it right now and it's kind of eerie to know that nobody is up there enjoying the most amazing sunny snow. He did so has just a weird eerie feeling. And Yeah. There's no no schools. I think indefinitely. It sounds like they're closing for the year. Maybe I heard her Kansas close for the year. Yea and the the border crossing only for essential Business Yeah so it's all happening and it's a little. It's a little bit crazy that we're all living through this together. It's going to go down to the history books for sure And so the whole social distancing right is kind of me as if I never heard of before and now it's everywhere but I think like people at least in Black Mountain. It seems like people are starting to do that. But you know like you were saying that you know there's still pick ups for things at school or there's still take out restaurants and You know somethings are. Some people are still working out of the house. So there's kind of like everyone's a little bit slower but also not completely like yesterday. I went for a walk through the neighborhood and and they were just so many people out and about just awesome right in that way. Now have the time because in are working to go for walks and as long as you keep your distance like we've been going on lots of walks and hikes with friend brought up the mountain bikes. Because obviously skiing's done you know. Dust Awesome things. Go for mountain bike. Rides and go for nature walks in the forest. Like obviously you still have all the outdoors play with as long as you stay six feet away from your body and it's really hard not to have people do. Yeah I think I mean that's certainly there will be so much negative that comes from this but the whole thing is that is that we'll stronger and but but I think this is actually a really neat chance to reconnect with some things. That are really important. That in fast paced modern life You know just just have slipped away. You guys went to the hikes and things like that I am. I am no producer show. I'm sure for being an anti hiker indoors. Men someone who has no my wife and kids will go for a hike and that will be my chance to just do whatever I wanna tell them isolate social. But yesterday I was like we were sitting on the porch again. We're seeing the porch having a drink my wife and I While the kids were playing inside and I I haven't I haven't gotten any word four days haven't gotten my car anything There's so I don't don't from my in house leading to stay into the air because he you're going to go for hikes you and I was like I would actually like that kind of sounds fun all of a sudden because I haven't done anything else. I have to this indoor time that like times like to do something out of the House if there's if I'm not getting any other reasons because I'm not going to do take out at restaurants that that's the last thing now. Is Germany food? I mean sorry restaurant owners. I hope I hope you find a way to survive. I really do and I feel terrible for small businesses. But I'm just not gonNA get rich room restaurant food right now so I just you know. It's like yeah. I don't know I'm sure I'll deliver to that more. Generally though I think just a lot of a lot of those really good for you activities just think. I'm finding more time for and help. Other people are too. Yeah you know what happened last night when we were going on that walk which I thought was was really interesting so she was in the stroller and we were just kind of walking on neighborhood streets right so there's plenty of space. What we found was that because we're so many people out that every time you would approach another person will somebody would walk to the other side of the street which I thought was so so interesting and I don't know if subconscious or very intentional or just happened to be circumstance but every time I approach somebody and notice that we immediately separated away from each other which I found fascinating. Your it's like going to the grocery store you know doesn't happen too often but when he when you have to go so he's somebody that you know you. You dislike hugging the side of the aisle. Try not to feel like you're being really cold to each other. He's gotTa make contact. It's like that's not extreme but I didn't feel that way on the walk. It's just so it's so new for everybody. This whole this whole thing and it kind of sucks. That community is such a big part of humanity right and and you know hugging and all that and now. We're being told not to do any of that in it's GonNa be interesting to see kind of how it affects people but at the same time on the on the note about porches and drinks if you have if you have any neighbors close by that you like that have a patio insight just have patio parties right. Everybody on their own patio. Italy is doing right now. Did you guys see that? Viral video of them singing on. Patios thought that was cool. I saw Spain video someone up on a rooftop yoga instructor of fitness instructor. And all these other apartment at their apartment windows were doing stuff on their ballots. That's awesome can still hang far apart. We'll speaking of fitness. I'm curious what you how you guys are approaching kind of getting around. I mean gyms are closed. Yoga studios are close You know trails are open for the most part although state parks and stuff that are closed here in North Carolina. Anyway are technically closed for all visitors travel. Like what are what are you guys? Are you guys approaching fitness right now? Well like I said I got my mountain bike so so very good. Mount Baker the other day and barely saw anybody hiding with friends and snowshoeing and stuff but keeping your distance and at home workouts is a great time to get into that Mad Fit have you heard of her? She's on Youtube. She does really good work. Outs and fitness blender So you can get creative with that kind of stuff in and do yoga and search for a yoga teacher on top of building into classes. That's happening around you. Whatever you yeah I mean. It's all over the place lots. Doing you know being generous. Giving access to things were going to do a challenge. This challenge Came from just our own our own thinking about this for me. I have not done much in the way of fitness recently. I've been doing kickboxing type thing. But very slowly reintroduce myself to that just because I just don't do very tightness in my legs and hips and it just got a ease into so I've been doing that have felt the need recently to get back into fitness. And then this happen and like I said I haven't looked at housing four days and I haven't done any fitness up either and I'm really man like this especially as we start to realize this is going to be two or three or four months. This isn't just two weeks like clothes for. I've had I've gotten actually inspired by that thing. You can either do this thing where I'm just kind of hanging around the house. Like playing board Games swiping phone if I got a new emails or whatever or I can actually like take this time and do something that I wouldn't otherwise have done again. Given that there's all my evenings are suddenly free when they were before It's like why would I not take fifteen minutes or thirty minutes or whatever and say like I'm going to do a few things during this time and come out of this like with some sort of results so that that's within is. I have nothing to do other than pull out the old iron. Jim like hanging in your closet. Pull UP BAR. But I don't know I feel like there is actually an opportunity here to like when going to the gym. Seems like an overwhelming thing for someone who just can't get into fitness. Or maybe it hasn't done it in a long time and it just feels like this. I have a YMCA membership just have not gone there because like that involves figuring out a workout plan getting going there being over the versus all that stuff. This is a really good opportunity to just start small with something and make some daily habits. That's where I have been thinking about it. I'm not really decided yet what I'm doing but I'm I'm super excited for this thing. We're going to be done with just just to do that. And that will be free by the way. Yeah so I think for me. It's been kind of interesting so I did go out on the children over the weekend. Got a semi long run in Which was nice. They're literally was nobody out there. Which on a Saturday or Sunday morning with it's just unheard of and but so it's been it's been kind of interesting. A lot of people are talking about all this extra time and I have not felt that yet. I think because Katy's Yoga Studio has had to shut down and we've been kind of aggressively trying to recreate that business model of of just being in person at the two things that she can do Virtually with hosting virtual classes and online videos and kind of still engaging the local community but in a in a virtual capacity. Because like you said I mean. This could probably isn't a two-way thing. This is probably a several month thing And so you know I feel like we've been in the scramble mode for the last week and haven't had all that extra time but Because of been stuck at home and because at been digits like working with the monopoly and then working with that stuff a lot. I you know my body's just feel his aching to to move and do things so You know I think some sort of at home classes some sort of time on the on the bike trainer. I don't know I'm eager to kind of get out and get moving and And get back into some sort of routine because I do think that that routine is going to be so important for for getting through this in a healthy way and also just getting through it period. Your trail running is perfect. Perfect thing to do that like a run. Everyday kind of someone could could take on at this point. Yeah we have some run streak stuffed. Only WE RUN STREET BLOG. Post or two. I don't know if we have any thing in-depth but there's not that much no but that you just kind of for a short time every day and it keeps you grounded to in this kind of anxiety. Rich time you know. There's a lot of people out there right now that are having having issues obviously financially and then also mentally and so just getting out in nature I think is just so healing all ways and in moving your body. So that's that's dislike to to check boxes right there. Yeah anytime I've in. The past had had anxiety upset about things I think. It's called the anxiety episode From the euro but an Amazon. The advice is always make make daily exercise of your routine because it just naturally fights anxiety but what happened for me at least and probably most people when you get in that anxiety mode exercises the first thing that that stops lose that motivation you just force it just so that suport for sure and then coming back from runs in feeling more creative and then maybe do things that you've never had time for. Make this little mini holiday at home and you know. Write a book or a podcast or read a book or have long calls with your friends or facetime in wine. I don't know just do something that you never think the ever have time for. Because it's just a crazy multi-tasking kind of kind of life that you lead normally and now you have the actual time to do some extra thanks. Yeah I think a lot of stuff is going to go away. Because of this certain small businesses that have just recently started investing heavily like. It's just unfortunate timing that suddenly they're gonna be go away and we've had some podcast bouncers who said no longer going to do what we were planning to do. And that is a shame but but like you just mentioned Julia like I think a lot of things are gonNA come out of this from people who suddenly got the time to start their thing and and perhaps increased attention. It is First Week. Little Bit Weird. Everyone's attention is on corona virus. But like I think soon we're going to get bored of of refreshing that Corner News and just realize like nothing is I mean. Chain of the numbers going up. Not Not much is happening anymore. We're just in it But like so. My daughter's teacher school who who started every day at five or four thirty. She does this little youtube thing live. I don't know I'm the person to telling you what because I don't know but some sort of live video broadcasting thing where she does a little project with the kids at the same time kind of teaches them reminds them some things about washing their hands. And all that and I just think like there's this opportunity now for all this really generous work and there are people who are going to be able to start their thing with no intention of making money from it yet and they're going to find an audience for it and their stuff. That's GonNa get sorry because of this and I think that's that's a really neat thing so I think if you're listening to this and feel anxiety or wondering what to do. I mean what good opportunity you need to start doing. Something like writing. Your Booker started you youtube channel. Or whatever there's a lot of a lot of cool things that can happen. We're GONNA. We're GONNA emerge from the six now with with twice as many podcasts Youtube Channel Empire. Exactly Yeah it's time to get creative and just spend your time doing what you've always wanted to do. So I mentioned earlier the thing about the phone and this might timing worked out well for me or I don't know well but it was just a coincidence that I just finished reading two books by Cow Newport wanted to go deep work and the other is called digital minimalism. And the minimalism. One is really about like you. Just just how I mean. Certainly there's good things come from technology right. Obviously it goes without saying but there's a lot of loss of connection enjoy. You mentioned like doing facetime in wine with someone. One of the arguments in this book is just how much richer inexperienced that is aside from the wine but the the actual face to face conversation. Even if it's through a machine that a text message because we're kind of evolved to like do this very very complex task of talking to someone reading their emotion and body language like reading their face like based on what we're saying and we're getting instant feedback as we're saying it and we're adapting our message and we're trying to read their mind a very difficult thing. Come compared to sending a text message receiving a text message or in the in the very worst case judging if someone enjoyed something or not by whether not they click the like button on facebook literally. One bit of Information. Bit in information terms Nothing that so little information and that that has sort of substituted now for so many other interaction so I as much as anyone. I'm Kinda like the introvert not always evaluating that much these things but I realized how important that sort of stuff is so for me like I'm done with the APP but I what I did was winter iphone especially at this time at home like. I don't have reason to have a lot of stuff on my mobile phone or have that convenience so I was deleted just about everything from my phone including slack which I just started putting on the phone already deleted. It goes down the computer to work. That's when I will get my slack stuff so I just. I realized that I was like in these first few days out of this boredom. Not Knowing what to do I would default to like pick phone seeing if you've got any new emails seems there's any new work issues that came up and I realized that. That's that's how I want to spend this this time whatever's GonNa come at this time for me. I don't want it to be just that that killed the time and just kind of kept waiting on my phone so I got rid of all that stuff. I don't know and I think if you if you have found yourself in that situation like with feeling too attached to your phone like what better time than when you're not ever going to be out of your always will have access to your computer to actually get rid of this stuff and make it a little bit less convenient to do some of those. Those things that are now people I get facebook might be. They might do that as they're really high value social activity. This book would argue that. It's not at all and that actual conversations are so much more important so I'm not saying I was exciting suggests that maybe that's not the time to commit to some new thing. That's going to be very hard. First Week of withdraw. But I found that useful. I found that just a nice reminder. I tried to leave the phone in the bedroom. Don't even with the. You're my house because you know fifteen years ago we didn't we? Just we just lived without this thing to do a little bit more. That cut a living. Yeah Yeah not only with your phone but you can reorganize your closet. You can kind of married Condo your house. It's like springtime so it's perfect timing for that Yeah yeah lots of lots of different things you can. You can make your own future life better with this time that you have now. Yeah and I think a lot of businesses seem to be doing like we're feeling a little bit much. We're kind of sheltered from some of this stuff is being mostly online business. You know we can see an impact people's attention not being what it was because it's focused somewhere else and so for me. A lot of the mindset is like what what can we do that three months from now when this is all done? We'll be in a way better position than that. We were going to do it. Yeah yeah the other thing doug is that I don't know how much listen to the vodkas but for new years this year. I said what am I was like? I didn't have any big goal resolutions. I started this thing where I was trying to keep track of my activities anytime I would do what I would be sort of an enriching activity. That wasn't going to be the every day kind habit but every time I go play a musical instrument or finish a book or even just something like watch a movie which almost never will tend to do but watch a movie. Play a game with family any of those things. I would give myself a point for it and we have measuring points putting a paper clip in a glass. And I'm just been watching Philip head kind of slowed down like mid to the end of February and since last Thursday. I've just been able clips so I would encourage you to to rack up the pink lips or whatever whatever form that is for listening. Yeah I found it. I found it a really cool way to keep track of things and it's interesting. How how much suddenly. When you're free and the mind sort of a different how much you can do almost all of those things when you when you're not working like you can be doing just that stuff and it's been It's been called. Yeah we have had a couple of things that would qualify for paper. Be Worthy of paper clip around food but before we get to those. Let's let's take a second to you to sponsor right. This episode of normally think radio is brought to you by nets collection of full spectrum hemp oil products which contain CBD extracted from the finest organic hemp plants and all with love on a small twelve Acre homestead in the bountiful farmland of Colorado from bottlenecks premium. Small batch products are slow crafted to deliver superior quality while supporting independent farmers communities and the environment. Matt I think most of us have heard or maybe even UCD by now but not all CD is created equal and I have tried several now but neds is without a doubt a very premium product. 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Which I'm quite excited about is we are supposed to have actually quite a busy weekend with some different events that we were going to be attending and when said since we stayed home they'll begin to my garden and get a prep for this year. I'm really excited about that. Yeah I did the same thing partly motivated by what happens if we can't get food otherwise exactly as far as like the fresh stuff goes that actually is a consideration. We have plenty of frozen and dried beans and all that stuff. But you know we're not going to get fresh lettuce necessarily if if people are buying it up immediately so you think it's a wise thing to do that. You heard that you fashioned birdhouse crudely bird. I did yes. This is another forget Ashen paper clip in my book That was it was definitely. The highlight of my third say Elisa saw birdhouse. Who's asking about it in someone else's house that's about it and I was looking at it and I was like you know what I I think. I could pull that without any trouble at all. So we went to pile. Scrap Book that I had in the in the shop and We designed and built a nice little birdhouse and then she painted a purple and hung it in a tree. Seventy residents yet. It doesn't have been checking every day. There's like a tiny little crack because the wood is split a little bit and I can see if there's like you know there's like going through it's I can see if there's anything there and so far there's nothing not anything in there and actually. I have no idea if painting something purple but she really wanted to paint a purple and And I wasn't gonNA stop her because it was. It was a very special. I think that was the first thing we like truly built designed and built the other so handy. Those are good moments for sure. We actually ended up shoveling snow off our lawn. Yes so my husband would see. Can't sit around still for very long. So he he was like washing the windows and then they come home and he's just shuffling along. I'm like okay here. We got we WANNA shovel the lawn. So that the grass. What's going? Yeah it'll it'll grow sooner what's great now. The next step is our is our garden for sure. We still have failed going from last year. But I think I gotta pull it out and chop down some raspberry bushes because they go crazy and yeah gardening. It's a great thing to do right now it is. You don't really like now be going from the mountain and skiing still. Oh Yeah Yeah. I want to do that this year. Not so much because we were just in. Mexico won a big road trip for a month and a half and I actually be. The Ski was Millennium Programs. So my only five days this year have been workdays with skuas living clients so it was pretty excited to come home and Skiba it no more. Yeah right yeah that'd be that's shame especially just looking right at it and it's just they're ready for just right for skiing. There's not just right up the last kind of knowle but no. They've closed that down to you. Know First Aid and all that stuff even the Skates Ski Callaghan Valley. It's called that's close to so it's it's kind of funny. What does the Ski Ski Skate? Skiing Cross Country Skiing Park in whistler just for it but they keep out open because everyone's very far apart when you're scheme you know just what you do But yeah everything's closed down and it's pretty much just lots of walking hiking and decluttering and Oh yeah one thing I wanted to say to is is called grandparents and elderly and make sure that they're OK because they're the ones that have the most trouble immune compromised and make sure your neighbors in your elderly earl good to go. Maybe get some groceries for them. Makes you feel good too well and and I think that like So my mom works in a retirement community and And like they're all basically on lockdown inside the rooms and visiting is limited and all that stuff so I like they're just I think probably really lonely my mom the the people in the residents come visit right. Can't go visit so like if you can. If they can facetime or you can just call them up and just reach out to some old person that that Yeah Yup. My daughter said the woman. Who's doing this little workshop every day for the kids and the first day that the car painted watercolor duties cards and they were going to take them to the to the retirement home and then at the next two. They turned out not allowed to do that. Thing in anymore. Crazy really tough. I mean I think here's where digital wonderful. Yeah I mean facetime do whatever you can So are you guys doing anything with food and nutrition right now? Is that kind of the last thing thinking about well? I think now's the time to try new recipes and open a cookbook opened up in a long time. Yeah Yeah but I'm pretty much the same around here. You know my my home is my office so it's not nothing totally different. It's just I don't have as much things going on because nothing's going on walking around and we can do that altogether but with groceries. You know we try to minimize the amount of time we spend in the grocery store and we are going through our pantry quite a bit using lots of beans and making some chilies and making curries and things like that Pretty pretty normal around here foodwise. I think I'm eating. I'm eating less junk food now because we didn't buy that when we were just starting up I'm doing a lot more dry beans than than cans just figuring. We're on well water so I figured that will all be fine. But just just engaged Thinking survival mode like what would happen if we couldn't get water for whatever reason so using using dry beans now where we have water good which is just lead to more cooking projects yesterday. We've made fresh pasta actually with my wife and I actually did want kids played and so that was a cool thing actually wouldn't together and it's been right and it's been so long since we did everything really mature in the evenings. You know we just don't even consider that. Yeah it's more like can we can possibly get a meal together. We can have some overlap with two or three over the same time. So yeah so I mean that's one of the nicer eating less junk food at things. I'm not suddenly eating. Ultra healthy because I don't know where we have some fresh stuff but not that much of it and when I get really more into cooking and like do these old Italian recipes and stuff. I end up eating a lot more olive oil and more white flowers. I don't actually dove it's healthier and it feels good and I. I enjoy much more so much more time cares going into my food even if it's not necessarily coming out healthier it's funny because like Maybe Thursday I did a massive. You know stock up shop last week and then did by a lot of junk food and a lot of you know healthy food do. But I've found like found myself buying a comfort comfort food and this weekend. We just piled through Sunday afternoon. I was like Just feel so gross. Like doing this for the next six months since then this week. I've been healthy this first couple of days because we just had all this you know had we grew out beyond burgers and we had a bunch of chips and we had all this weekend but I found myself kind of I could see myself very easily slipping into some unhealthy habit so I think part of part of the way. We're going to get through this and I'm not talking about getting sick or not but you know kind of mentally through this is by keeping some sort of routine by taking care of yourself and not because because it's so there's so many unknowns around how long it's GonNa last if this was like a two week thing like a blizzard Shut that shutdown the town for a couple of weeks. You could kind of hunker down and eat junk food and come out the other end. Yeah but but we can't really do that because it could be months and months and we gotta take care of ourselves. Yeah well On that point immunity right. I've been talking about immune boosting things on my instagram lately. But just making sure that immune systems just a strongest possible. Because you don't want to get the current a virus and obviously you just want to get sick. In general is immune compromise yourself and the best thing that you can possibly do is eat a variety of whole plant foods to keep your microbiome healthy because sixty seventy percent of your immunity cells. Live in your microbiome so keeping your your body is so important right now and and not only for you and the people around you if you're young but if you ever come in contact with your parents you know elderly that they're more susceptible so it's it's more about you know doing this for for others than doing it for yourself. If you're if you're young healthy person just a self isolating keeping your immunity. High also been having mushroom smoothies with stabile organics. Yeah Mushroom Mushroom smoothies. Musher votes. Rishi and Chagas Line's main. According sets and Turkey tails really good for you mean system but keep it simple and just just keep it a whole foods plant based as possible but then also have fun because you WanNa stay positive in you know. It's GONNA cut some beyond Burgers on the barbecue every now and I think that's that's the balance right like this is like if this is just a two week thing. It's really easy to say. Well we'll just kind of have fun with it do this thing. And then we'll treat it like it's a blizzard and we're just GonNa a little mini holiday. Yeah yeah because beer every night and junk food and then and then it turns out. It's a month and his Co. we'll have two weeks left. Might as well do that again. Then it turns out that it's two months right. It's very easy. I think to just to keep staying in this mode of like. I don't know that this is just a very short thing And from that will make bad choices. I think I think that's a good reminder. Do Do Valley thing The one thing I've been doing less healthy for sure is drinking more which I had done a good job this year of making that not no longer like the normal. You know have a beer at the end of the day. I had really cut that out for except for maybe for weekends but since the started. Just feel like it's like vacation sudden they and it's like But you know we're finished five and then we're not going anywhere so why with dinner and like I just gotTa know drinking more than I had intended. You not just one or two but kind of kind of his setback. My my progress getting away from that habit patio beverages. Yeah that's the thing also about like you said having fun and like staying positive and like if we now have time to do patio beverages together it was like a mushroom tea or something instead. Kombucha or we're just Yeah go for it but maybe not not every single day maybe it maybe for or if it's a couple of weeks and like you say we just don't know how long is it. GonNa go on for but right now but I have heard that. Multiple drink is not a good look for the immune system. I make it a tumor observe. Something doesn't sound as exciting all right. Well anything else any any last tips or a you guys have probably talked about this before on your podcasting. Believe I remember hearing you but just being grateful and writing down three things that you're grateful every day for because we can get so wrapped up in all crazy news and everything so just make sure that you're aware that you're grateful for the people around even your house and your pet or your kids. Whatever it is little things I think that is a great reminder and actually for me I think that is what has been one of the major benefits of this thing is that I've been grateful for all this great stuff we have in our family and just how close we are and how well behaved. The kids can be and how much I enjoy spending time with my wife like I have felt this gratitude for that without having to do a deliberate thing every day. I'M GONNA make sure I write down my three graduating it just naturally coming and I think that's one of the great things that an opportunity like this. We are back with with our family. It's one of the great things that it can bring so good reminder though that if people want to join the wellness challenge where you're GonNa have going on athlete for the next month or so this kind of free Free Challenge. I think the goal is to both do some physical fitness activity but also kind of go beyond that and just see how we can how we can take care of ourselves over the next month or two and come out of this in with better habits than we going into it. So I think we're still working on what it's going to be exactly ourselves but it's gonNA mean open up to Kademi kind of all. Those resources are available for a while people but then with that this challenge. I think I think fifteen minute you know fitness home fitness thing every single day that'd be the main component and then haven't yet decided how we're going to sprinkle and other stuff but I think we've got a lot of other stuff we can. We can add. That would make it a really cool thing. You really just for the point of that that you can come out of this thing you know maybe being more on top of things or more ahead of things or whatever then before we went into it and you know it's locking on obviously not everyone's going to do that or take advantage of the situation in that way but. I think I think it's a good opportunity to this thing so any place doug yet that people can be redirected linked to two when it set up. What do we what do we do? Not definitely dot com slash wellness dash challenge wellness. Jfk works check it out. I think this will go out on Thursday. I think sometime around Thursday. We'll have yeah so if it's up and give it give it an hour but we'll kind of this is all happening so fast like everything else. So we're we're trying to get everything else as quickly as we can all right. Good thanks for listening and Julia. Thanks for thanks for joining. We're excited thanks for having me more next week and sure most definitely next week with everything and yeah exciting stuff. I'm happy to be here. Good yes very happy to have you. Everyone stay stay healthy positive. Grateful and do what you can't do enjoy the next goodson was.

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Behind the Scenes of No Meat Athlete

No Meat Athlete Radio

1:06:46 hr | 2 years ago

Behind the Scenes of No Meat Athlete

"Hi, this is how this is Corrine. Hi, this is Katie from Washington DC, and you're listening. No me radio. Doc, you know, big fan of Christmas movies, right? Don't believe already started watching. I make no secret of that. It's one of my little quirky things is I love a good Christmas movie, especially the ones that are on lifetime or ABC family, which is now called something else. I forget force not force. I don't know what it's called. Anyway, cheesy the cheesiest of Christmas may seem to be the better. Yeah. Made for TV is my favorite movie made for Netflix is also good there. That's his own new sub genre that can do. But there's one called Christmas with the cranks. I've heard you mentioned a lot probably just become a classic for me. I saw the theater with my dad, maybe when it came out fifteen years ago or something, and I thought it wasn't any good didn't like it. And somehow it's kinda gone into my rotation that I'll watch it two or three times during Christmas season. Now. And it's it's based on a book. I think is a John Grisham who has a book skipping Christmas that about this family that decides they're going to go on a cruise, and they're not going to spend any of the money. If you any of the stuff that you own Christmas, and they're gonna put all that into a dream vacation. And of course, just things go awry, but the reason I bring that up because we are heading into that season. But I this year, I'm skipping. My least favorite holiday, I'm skipping thanksgiving. My family, and I are doing that. So you're giving with the Frazier's might be IBM movie. Thanksgiving's giving with the Frazier's. Yes, you're skipping this many questions here. First of all how many of these Christmas movies? Are you watching by yourself? I as with your family. Almost all our with family. Okay. We we don't we're not big on TV the kids, you know, the digital Showtime at the end of the day usually, but once the Christmas season hits I'd say December first or so I try to get I tried to do one movie each day each day. Yeah. And like, you know, you might we might not all pay attention to all. But we just put it on. And kind of hang out watch the movie. I mean, I can see how that's one. All right. So that's that's Kushner, everyone. Okay. Number two. I kind of know because I've heard you talk about this every year, but. Must be a little probably will new away. You hate thanksgiving. So much. And is it because you're vegan or is this now it has nothing to do with being vegan. I mean, it's kind of joke. I don't hate it. I do enjoy the Thanksgiving Day. It's fine. I when I was a kid I always loved Christmas like every kid and loved the presence and all that and the festivities leading up to it the Christmas movies all that stuff. Thanksgiving was just this. I mean as a kid it was the most boring holiday. I thought you just had to kind of sit around and do nothing all day. It was all this talking people would watch football. I don't care about that. They would eat food that I'd never liked that it was not into thanksgiving food as a kid. And I think a lot of kids are not into thanksgiving food mine in particular, aren't totally as Ivan the vegan thing just just that type of food. I don't know there's something about it. That is not that kid friendly. And I just thought it was just a boring kind of stuffy holiday, so no pun intended. Yes. They. See I have a totally different view of things a lot of it's a lot of people's favorite holiday. I don't I don't really remember. How what I thought about it as a as a kid? I remember I don't remember feeling that strongly the way, but as an adult I love that it's such let's pressure than Christmas. Yeah. Because I mean, you just hanging out. Eat you go play around disc of gotta drop that in there. Just like there's like, no pressure. There's no gifts. There's no big decorations. Like, yeah. I don't know. I get that is true. And I will say I am gaining an appreciation for it. Just because as an adult you get once you have kids you get busy. So to have a day where you kind of there is nothing to do. Which is why didn't like it as a kid. It's actually kind of nice to just hang out and do nothing until till mealtime, man. I like cooking. I help do that in the morning. So it's good. Of course, you can do. They're put things you can do it. You can go buy off. Like, you said, you could do Turkey trot or tofurkey drop if you'd like so anyway, it's not that bad. I don't hate it. It just it's kind of a joke, but certainly not my favorite holiday. Let your favorite holiday is. I know this one too. New Year's right? Black friday. Holidays. I enjoyed like Friday. I enjoy the doorbusters idea. Don't actually do it that often, but I like people people declare war on black Friday, specifically REI hate Nari for that reason. Man. I just do. Yeah. I like I love that. I love the shopping. It's like the kickoff of the Christmas season. Everyone goes out at talk crowded and festive you start finally putting on Christmas music and you're shopping for loved ones. But no, I realized that that's bad. Opt out or whatever that was what does that up though up outside? Yeah. I think it's really I love that idea. But I sure do. But. All right. So anyway, so back to back to here. And I think that this kind of wrap this up with this is where are you going? Now, we're going to Spain as I think I mentioned bicep. So I don't really know we did is you went to Spain. And we went to mostly the south part of Spain Madrid out and this year, we're going to Madrid north so we will get to Barcelona which people say all kinds of great things about him quite excited about Barcelona as well as some of the Basque country, or they speak different language, which they also be different language of bars loan, but and Catalonia in general, but in the Basque country, they speak different language, and we've also go to real Lowry, Ohio, which is the wine region in between Madrid and the Basque country. And yeah, that's actually beat for Thanksgiving Day. We there we have a little little I'm going to do a hike thing. I guess it's appropriate right on my least favorite holiday. I'd do at least favorite activity. We have this hike plan to this beautiful lake thing. I don't know. So that'll be nice terrible. If well it'll be okay. And then I guess. I guess we'll go out and get some top us for for our thanksgiving dinner. That sounds great just you in the immediate family. And my dad is going to be there for that first half. He's slow and a half. But he'll be for the first week cool. So that will be a different kind of thanksgiving and. Not well, not really miss it that much. Yeah. It sounds great. It sounds like, you know. Tells like just a wonderful adventure for the family. It will be I hope swimming all goes. Well. Anyway enough about that. But what are you doing thanksgiving? The reason we're talking about these giving is because this is our last episode before thanksgiving, we'll put out one next book out on black Friday because it's a holiday, but we will not have one leading up to thanksgiving. So that's why we're that's why we're gonna thanksgiving bit. Now. What are you doing doing 'em? Am going back to the old stomping grounds of Washington DC. Okay. Birthplace of record Renner, and our friendship met. Yes. That's right. Yeah. Katie's brother lives up there, and is hosting most of her family, and my mom, and it's just going to be a whole bunch people in a tiny apartment and can be a lot of fun. Good. Very nice the black mountain turkeytrot. The winner is is up for grabs with United. Yeah. I'm kind phone to miss the miss the turkeytrot this year. Are you going to do anything up there? I don't know. Maybe I haven't haven't even looked into it. I definitely want to go for like a run. A couple of runs up there in the. You know, my old routes, but. Yeah. No, no, no race plans. Well, somebody's happy like who's going to be going for the for the win. For the regular. I've never never done before. There's usually mimosas and last year. There was a baby stroller. Involves. Gotcha. Well, that sounds nice. And I don't mean I don't really mean to hate on thanksgiving. I do think reconnecting this family, reunions, re uniting whatever that's all all very good stuff. Yeah. Absolutely giving. Thanks. It's a good thing that that part as well. Tap for the whole the whole reason for the season. Yes. Anyway, we're not gonna talk about vegan thanksgiving and what to do with as vegan. I'm sure we have episodes about that. I know we have blog was about that. So if you're interested in that stuff, Google, no meat athlete thanksgiving, and you will find whatever we've got on the topic. Then there's plenty. Yeah. Including what your recipes and advice on how to deal with your crazy. Uncle that stuff. Yes. All right, good. Hey, we're going to be talking about history or you can go down a little of the history books. This is going to be fun. I liked so we decided to do a little combination blog post podcast episode. This time. Kind of just talking about knowing athlete and about. The not not about the team per se. But certainly we will talk about the team in the process. But you know, we're coming up on our tenure in anniversary. So that is kind of cool. Yeah. That isn't that is amazing for me to believe that we've been doing this for ten years. Now, I've known for ten years, but it wasn't much longer. It was only it's only year into that. Probably the people started helping me, and I was not the only one doing it. So. Yeah. That's that is just hard to imagine that it's been that long. And we figured we begin the begin the process of celebrating that by just looking back at the tank 'cause we figured ten years. A long time. There's probably a lot of people who are new listening to this podcast from the past year or two. Who haven't heard us tell the same old stories about the early days? So we'll just go through how began. The changes that went through. And where it is. Now, just the case that it's interesting to anyone who kind of a fan of the podcast in the site in the brand and everything else or if you are interested in just starting your own thing. I think I would imagine it would be useful for you as well there at the very least inspiring to make you realize that you can do this is quite possible to have an idea and started website. And then eventually you turn that into a job, and it actually becomes something that that is legitimate that people care about and that's a pretty neat. Dr ho community, you built a whole tribe. Yes. So quite doable. And that is that is something I'm thankful for thank before that we live in an era when that can happen because when we were born there weren't there were jobs like that. You couldn't really do that so easily. So it's true. That's very true. There you go for better. What's that said for better or worse? Yeah. I think I think for way better. But we do have that idea of making social media illegal and just having a dictator who information. He's. Have you better? Anyway. So I'm gonna go to a Tony Robbins event. Dug in December this coming December, the San? Yes. I know you turned around and said the little metoo thing happened with him. He did he did. But he seems to have. Apologized profusely for it. And I think he's pretty good at managing his image. And all that. 'cause that's sort of his thing. He's a communicator. I think that from my understanding it was something he said, not something. He did. Oh, no, not at all. It was just that. He was he was appeared to be criticized in the movement, and he's he's kind of explaining apologize. But anyway, go into that. He so I went to his thing for by first Tony Robbins event, and I do not make secrets that of the fact that I'm a fan of his stuff and his his teaching and things have helped me a whole lot. But the first one that you went to an event was two thousand nine which was ten years ago from six months from now. And I went to that. I was not vegetarian. I I was trying to qualify for the Boston marathon at that point. And I was like six years into that journey and six years into Boston Dery. Yemen vegetarian. I didn't really, Yep. Yeah. So I was taken a ton of time off the thing. I'd take an an hour fifty minutes or something off my no not that much ninety. I take ninety minutes off my time. So anyway, I was kinda start though, I was getting injured and at the same time I had started wanting to become vegetarian. Not the didn't didn't think about that. At all didn't know what it was really. But I just like everyone else I had this idea that if you do that you will not be able to do any serious athletics that if you do that it's kind of the end of the Boston marathon thing it's just like do you want to make that decision or not? And the other thing holding me back was like I was like just seemed like a ton of work and hearts like how would you possibly go over to a friend's house or a family member's house for dinner like what just how would you manage being vegetarian? So it was it was on my radar. I was into it. But I had decided I couldn't do it for those reasons. And I said I'm just going to be eating the no more red meat. No more four legged animals base because what I did. And so that's where I was was eating chicken. But at the end of Tony Robbins thing on the last day of a four-day thing he gives you his diet and pitches, you his on his diet, which is really about like maximizing energy as well as long term health. But it was it was talking about short term health, and fitness, and he really encourage you to be mostly vegetarian. I think at that time. He was saying eat a little bit of. Fish, but it was basically fish and vegetables, some greens and things like that along with some other ideas that I don't fully agree with about how you combine the foods and all that. But. After that. I was just all because being one of his things for four days if you're into him it gets you really excited an amped up. And so by the time the last day when he saying, okay, go to this. I was like all right. I'm in I'm excited about this. And I said art, I'm really gonna try to be vegetarian 'cause I got convinced that maybe it wouldn't be the end of my boss marathon journey that maybe it would actually help. I had no idea. But that wasn't the reason I was doing it. I was doing it because I had ethical motivations for wanting to be that. And finally this event convinced me that I could do that without giving too much giving up too much in the short term as far as my health and energy and all that. So. I was I would do that. I and I think I ate a chicken sandwich or something like on the way home from that event. And that are you like half of it? And I said, I just couldn't do this. He he had all these pictures of this. I don't know fecal soup or something they call it like in the factories of the chicken in their own fecal matter. I don't know. But it was gross. And I and I just said I'm not going to do this. I'm actually going to try this diet thing. And so I did it. And I think it was only like I don't know four or five days after I got back from that that I said I'm going to start a website about that. Because the other side of the story, then just the decision to go vegetarian was that. I was in graduate school time studying applied math trying to get my PHD and was sort of not sure where that was headed. I just didn't really want to become a teacher. But I was kind of doing it because I felt like I just needed. I don't know. I love math. And I wanted to find something to do with it interesting. But I couldn't and didn't know where it was headed at least. So like. The chance of. Wow, I'm also not just changing my that. I'm going to start something new and just see where that takes me that'll came up. And I said, well, you know, there's there's not that much information about how do you do this thing with marathon training because I looked for that? I wanted to make sure that I was doing it correctly and found almost nothing what I did find was like either really old outdated websites or kind of like ours now or. Just stuff that was written by clearly militant ethical vegan types who were like, just you know. It wasn't really anything halfway scientific about how this might work for sports or how to use it for sports. It was just like why? It's so good for sports. And why it was so wrong beat me? And like it just it just wasn't talking to me at all. So that'd be cool. And then I came up with the name, and I just got got. No, meat, athlete dot WordPress dot com. I think is what it was and wrote a blog post, and then told them my friends about it. And then everyone was kind of into it, or at least they were encouraging. I thought I don't know. I didn't know what would think about the decision to become vegetarian, and I wasn't even vegetarian. I was still eating some fishing in the early days of nobody. I think there were some fish recipes, which I can't believe that I would do that like looking back on it. Now. But I kinda liked it. I was so looming athlete. And so yeah. Right. Like nowadays. If I were to do that. I would like to be like what are the what are the vegans vegetarians going to say about that? So it's it's kind of funny. I liked it. I was so naive back. Then. Not be worried about that. At all. I just did it. And there there wasn't much of that kind of pushback, but there was a little bit. But it was I didn't didn't care. It was like during those first month or two, you know, the joke amount of bog, right? Is that no one reads it put your mom, right? We're there actually. Vegans vegetarians reading it was a mostly like your friends and family members. Like that. I think it was I think it was pretty much friends with him members. So you're right. Like there is that stereotype and that is mostly true. And I don't know it was happening. But at the same time, it was it felt very different from what I have seen happen with other blogs because from the very beginning of no nothing there were people commenting on it and like into it and interacting with it. So I I don't know why. I mean, I Email. My friends literally told them, look, I just started this blog. I'm doing this thing and go check it out, please. And I don't know there were like twenty or twenty five comments on that very first blog post, which almost never happens. Because usually when you write a first blog post, you know, comments on it or just one from your mom, and and that's why the most blogs don't last because people do that. And then the second POS you zero comments, and then the third post your kind of wondering if anyone reading it, and then you probably done after that. So this I never really had that problem like for some people just got into it from the beginning. And I think it's just because I took the trouble. Of emailing friends, hang go, see this most. That's that's like a big. I don't know. Most people don't have the guts to do that. Yeah. It's weird. I don't know. Why like I can understand why they wouldn't. And for some reason, I didn't have that fear. I don't know. I don't know what it was. Maybe I was just like in. I was just amped up from the Tony Robbins thing. I don't know. But I didn't I didn't worry about any of that. I just did it. And and yeah, they started reading and then what happened pretty early was. I found that there was this whole niche of like. Company. They called. They're called food bloggers or health bloggers. Oh, healthy living bloggers? That's what it was healthy healthy living. And it was mostly women. And it was people who would write it was kind of like a like a diary or journal, and people would write sometimes three times a day about like just what they were doing and and telling stories lots of photos, and it was about their their pets and their breakfast and the runs and all that and I even got in vet as well. I just kind of figured well. Okay. Because that's what you do. And so I started doing that. And there were post every single day. You should mention that. It was I mean, it is a niche for sure, but I mean, I don't know anymore. But those blogs used to be huge. Oh, yeah. They had they had massive followings like like, they would get hundreds one hundred two hundred comments on post, right and three times a day on that. Right. Like, I just think they had basically rabid fans who just would refresh the page or what check their RSS feed back in the day. Just looking for new content. It was like it was kind of like reality TV, basically. But even more real because now it was not orchestrated the way reality TV is. But it was just someone's life, and I really got into that. None of them were really making businesses out of them. They all not many of them ran ads from this company called food buzz that would just serve you different food ads. But it just the pay was was pitiful that thing did. And so to me I saw that happening. I was part of that. And I enjoyed it. And it really helped me 'cause I got some of that energy if people who were that into this. And that's where like all the comments came from. And it was good. And I made some good friends I got to post on their blogs, sometimes some of them posted on my blog too. So that was all good. No problem fund. And then when I started the site, I didn't really know like what would happen with it. Or what I wanted to happen out of it. But I just had this sense that if that it would be good to build an identity who cared about what you were saying. And so I even as I saw that there wasn't anything about blogs. But I saw that this healthy living community existed. And I just got the sense like, well, if you have all those people paying attention to what you think and actually caring about you. And when you recommend something they actually listen and go, try it. Then surely one day if you get enough of those people there's a way to create a business from this or make a living from this or make it so that it can be what you do. So I wasn't concerned about the fact that it looked like there was no real business around. And so in my mind, it was like I'm going to do this. And I think what would be fun is. If us old t shirts once I came up with the name. No Methodist said well that we need to have a t shirt. So that was kind of my ultimate vision for the site. Was that one day we would sell t-shirts at races and there'd be a big community people. But that was all I had in mind have anything in mind about how like it might turn into anything real just had the sense that it was good to build a following people. So anyway, that's that's what I was has to do started selling the t shirts. I was so scared to sell anything back then. So I like the first few batches we just sold them at cost. I did not want people to like criticized because I didn't I wanted it to become a business. But that was not my reason I was doing it for like, I just thought it'd be really cool to share this thing. And I wanted there that'd be this information out there. And I wanted to do something that was fun and something that was so different from what I was doing grad school. So started telling the t shirts like at our cost. I don't know if they were twelve or fourteen dollars this this scraggly looking carrot that we made computer at home. Started Jamaican paint. My sister made in pain. Yes. And then I, and then I took it into Microsoft publisher was the name of the software, and you could make these things I don't it might even been like a PowerPoint slide that I made and then district printed off. I don't know anyway. But people started vying, desserts, and they started wearing them, and they started sending their pictures of themselves wearing them to my Facebook page, which not not my personal minority page, and I don't know I think that was kind of the beginning of this might actually be a real thing that is going to work, and like, maybe I can eventually do this instead of grad school, so and no one in my family, even my wife included for good reason really took me seriously in that way, like it because it was just so small it was a tiny thing. I think it took six months before we could get five hundred page views a day. So when I was having these big dreams we were getting sixty or eighty people clicking pages per day on the site. And. Obsessively refreshed that looks like watch when a new person clicked on new page. So it's so different now. But but it took off like that. So were you so one thing I remember about starting rookie critter? Was I had had this other fulltime job, and you were in grad school and any chance I would get between like. You know projects at work or if I had a few minutes here in a few minutes here. I would be like working on my blog in my little cubicle. Pretending like, I was doing real work. We're you know, you're in school. But like did you re sitting in the back of the class ready blog posts? Yeah. Eventually I was doing exactly that literally. I remember the first time I wrote about in the class. It was like, man. This is kind of weird that I'm in grad school and doing this. So yeah, it just it just gradually consume more like at. I I said I'm gonna read the post today because I had heard that if you did that for two months, then Google would start to notice that your site existed and start sending you traffic, which is exactly what happened. But it was really good in hindsight that I had a goal like I'm going to write a post every single day for two months because as we've talked about that that that's enough to get through that little dip when it feels like no one's reading. So that was your goal from the very like the very beginning. They won. Yeah. It was I'm gonna read oppose every day between and I don't even know if I did it which is funny, but for a long time six seven weeks for sure I didn't miss a day. Even a weekend just wrote every single day, and I would start to get up early to do that stuff or or stay up late and just always make sure that post went up, and then as you can imagine like once that's a priority. Something else, usually shifts. And so the grad school started to become less priority. And I definitely kept it up, and I kept doing it. And I was it was I wasn't like failing as a student vitamins. But I I really did stop like any sort of extra work that I made it thought I'd be putting it at school in started going into this instead, and then my weekend started filling up with like projects of trying to do redesign the website or get something working. And then pretty soon. It was the point where I was I was now I would leave early to commute to school, and I just leave it our too early. So I could stop at Starbucks, and like just do a solid hour of work on the blog before I got to school. And then finally like, you just mentioned I was the point where I was writing in the class, and it wasn't too much longer after that too. I decided that. You know, grad school was not going to be something that I finished. So I got my masters, and then I don't know if it was your after that. But I didn't I got I realized that one more solid year of work, and I could finish grad school and get a PHD. Maybe I should have done that. But I don't really know. Because if I had then, you know, you would not have had the energy that had got over the next year. And maybe someone would have beat me to it. And maybe maybe it would have been a whole lot harder to do it after that. Or if I've finished grad school, then I would've gotten job offers, maybe and that would have been tempting in may be needed to do the easy secure route. So anyway, I think it was a good decision. Yeah. Right. So anyway, it only took it only took two years. I think from the time I started to when I said I'm going to stop grad school give up that small stipend and live off the money that Athey makes. And that was that was kinda cool scary for sure, but did it my wife was supportive, even if she was apprehensive. And did you have a kid at this point? Yes. Because I haven't had to keep when I was in grad school. So yeah, we had a kid at that point. So that was kind of scary. I guess now that I think about. Actually back then I mean now feel like it's like, everyone has a side hustle. Right. All right have affected like. Even six years or let's see tenure anniversary two years eight years ago. Back in twenty two. And it was definitely less of a thing back then. Yeah. It was. I don't know. I so I read a lot of posts in those days like inspired by that whole Tony Robinson. And I had a lot of stuff about burning the boats, and I'm like if you wanna take the island burn the boats, and so a lot of that was going through my head at the time. Like, you know, I'm going to do this. And it's going to guarantee that the box because he's because I have no other option if I if I do this. And that's scary. It's a lot harder to do as you get more kind of not entrenched. But as you put down more roots and have a bigger family and more responsibilities. It gets harder to make decisions like that. But you know, it wasn't that hard. Then did it and you what else helped like by by that point? I had gotten contacted by agents a few little book agents, and they wanted to publish books, and I didn't end up doing it. With them didn't end up doing it 'til maybe another year later that I signed a book deal and did it. But the fact that like that was happening, and I was starting to get little things in magazines here. And there it just started to feel like I could kind of point to those things that are not that wacky. Like not as well as having a blog and claiming you're going to one day make that your job. But at least I could tell other people like there's I have a have an agent now, and I'm working on a book deal or something. It just started to feel like this is this is kind of legitimate thing. I am pursuing. So that helped a whole lot. But anyway, that was it. And then shortly after we moved to Asheville and around this time is when I met you Doug. And we started working, I think, I know I met you. And then oh, so I have mentioned Susan yet. Susan came on pretty early Susan like is still in our in our company, and she manages social media now, but she wrote a lot of post in the early days of no doubt. The I think for a while. It was she I am. I sister wrote one post for weeks. My sister lived with me during that time in between her. I don't know what it was college. And then eventually moving into your own plays with her boyfriend at the time. But so we would all right one post a week. And that was that was the beginning of it being different from other blocks because first of all it was I was studying that stuff a lot. And I was learning how to you write compelling blog posts and pretty soon after about six months started to realize that what I ate for breakfast today is not an interesting headline unless you're looking. Attract that sort of community of just like people who were there to be friends and hang out. But that was the only one I wanted something that would be much bigger than that and grow and that would keep getting bigger and better. And I realized that I could not do that. If it was just me, and I didn't want I didn't want it to be just me because I just realized that I did not want to be stuck where like if I was down or out of running or whatever, I just wouldn't want the whole business and brand and everything to go away because I was unable to perform for it. So I just got dead yet. It'd be better if other people were involved in this, and if people were not here to follow Matt Frazier, but they were here to follow. No athlete that'd be way better. So Susan's sorry writing posts fairly often and. Then I went to a I read we needed help you needed someone else who would do more like administrative kind of work, not an assistant, but you know, someone who could handle customer service emails do things like that. And just do lots and lots of random odd jobs that there are when you're running a website. And so we were hiring for a job, and we put out some sort of offer on no Math Made and a little just rip shin and said, here's what you need to do apply. And we got these applications one of which was yours, and you turn me down. I think you've finished in second place in that in that job race. So okay. And of about sixty people, I think who good, okay? You read near the top. You not the winner though. The winner was Ben Bonilla's who I don't know. I think I'd met him like south by south west or something. I don't know what it was. But I knew him as well. And for whatever reason saw more potential in him than I did in you, Doug. We'll say no to us. He had he had a bunch of experience in the things that we wanted to do. He was all about these web hacks and things like that. That's so good. What do you? What else? Can. I think that we're kind of. You know, we're talking about your history, of course. But we're brushing over the fact that like during those first couple of years, you you really did build like, you filled. A void of information on the web, not just like a day in the life of what you were eating as a plant base athlete play bass runner a vegetarian runner at time. But you like information you were doing you're doing interviews with people who had been successful. You're doing all these things. And when I went vegetarian, and I was a runner at the time. You're still am. But I just finished my first marathon. And then I went vegetarian and like I couldn't find a bunch of stuff. And except I found nobody athlete, and I was immediately drawn to that. And like we didn't we didn't connect because we bumped into each other somewhere and both liked websites. Like, I was a fan of knowing athlete when I met you. It was at a veg fest that new you're going to you. And I was like all nervous to meet you. And you're like leaving. And I was just arriving. And and I was like, I think I think that's because he's there with Katie right there with Katie took K as I think, I think that's not athlete is you had the character it on everything. I like you're leaving in house like now, I don't think I'm going to say hi to Katie made me go sit here. And that's that's how we met. And then so you didn't hire me for the job. But we did start working together shortly after on a specific event in DC. That's how we can either. That's right. Yup. I remember that and. Yeah. And like you said I had I had attracted a following of people. But it wasn't very often that someone came up and said, hey, are you are you mad, and like, you know, I read your so that was special to me. So it's not hard for me to remember, then because that didn't happen that much, but you know, happened at things like veg fest, obviously when you wear your no math teacher it helps. So I did that. And Robert was at that event. He spoke at that. He was like the keynote guy and I'm loving his off and then going to meet him after that. And it was really cool. So anyway, yes, you do that. So we got to know each other. And then I don't I don't remember the time line, but Ben game on Ben. I started the podcast if you go back and listen to the first like ten episodes of knowing Athey radio. It was Ben minimum. Listen, I and then we then we stopped it. It just didn't work been under the only working with with me for a couple of months. I don't know. But it didn't work out for for a couple of reasons I think, but anyway, good guy though, so we'll have to him every now and then and. I don't know you we didn't we didn't start the podcast right away. But you and I worked on a trip. We wanted to do like a running thing where people would would all run a race together. Nobody race and we picked this rock and roll race in DC. And I asked you I need had this project management experience or something and asks you to help us out, and and you didn't and then worked really well. And then soon after that we decided to you you can as to rekindle the podcast. That's funny because I definitely remember those early days of me trying to get into the gas. But. I don't remember being the one who who convinced you to get back going. Yeah. You definitely did. I think I think you're you're the more progressive thinker of us. You're the younger the millennial of our of our team. So you know, what is hip and cool and used to the podcast is where it's at. So it wasn't. I don't know. It wasn't. It's not clear memory like how it all went. But I got to the point where I was only writing a blog post a week or maybe even two weeks sometimes because I didn't think it was that important. I would have preferred back then I chose to write things that I thought were good took awhile to write rather than posting a random thing just to just to read a new post. So. That happened. But then we started growing more podcast episodes. And it's funny because no mouth it started as a blog, and like the my contribution in terms of personality and talking about my life like that was all on the ball. And I never do any of that on the blog anymore. Now that kind of stuff is more on the podcast. And so we made that transition. It wasn't really on purpose. We just decided to start doing more podcast episodes. And now, I think the guys is the more active place as far as as far as. Well, at least when it comes to me, creating content. It's mostly via the podcast. But we now have a lot more guest writers and things on the main site. Yeah. I mean now, we kind of you the website as a resource in an educational tool in the podcast as still as that. But also as like a. Way to connect with the community more. So anyway, yeah, I'm just trying to think what they weren't. There was all this stuff at the beginning. And that's all very clear memory. I know them we had the book came out. And this was kind of around the time. We were starting to podcasts. Again. I think the first book that nobody it, which is called no meat athlete. And that's the one that recently got revised and updated now five years later. So this is about halfway into Nome athletes lifespan when that happened, and when I did this book tour with which I think really neat thing. And one of the things that I'm most proud of with it was that the public who didn't want to do a book tour because it was a small publisher and most the vast majority of publishers don't do book tours anymore. They're just with the with the internet being available to us to promote books. It's kind of hard to justify paying for an author to go around the country and stay in hotels and fly planes and all that. So they don't really happen that much anymore except was really really big already successful authors. But I had wanted to do it forever. I thought like this would be such a cool thing if we have. All these people who don't athlete all around the world, like how cool would it be to be able to go on a trip a tour where I go and do all these events and meet all the people who've read the blog, I thought that'd be the coolest thing. So the book was the perfect excuse to do that. And the way it worked with like emailed our audience or maybe wrote a moldable was about it. Instead like I want to do a book tour. Here's roughly the route, I can imagine taking and the time line. I want to do it in which was two months from like, I don't know September October, my partner member. Like, if you are on one of the in one of these cities along this route, which I've just put a picture of let me know if you have an interest in doing an event, or if you know someone who would do an event or just want to be part of it somehow, and we got tons of responses from all these different people who like new running store owners own stores themselves or own little juice bars or whatever and ended up booking MIT treating like forty or forty five events in two month period that Adrover from ashville up to New York back down to DC and then across the north part of the country over to Washington than down that coast and then back the southern route. So that all happened. And that was just I don't know that was a really nice halfway point. Because that was and it wasn't the end of me doing that sort of thing. But it was kind of I think the climax as far as like that phase of the the blog, and the brand it was a really nice way to wrap things up. In that sense, at least, and I don't know maybe someday that something like that will happen again. But it was just perfect for that time and situation. And then so you ended up coming on that as well. For part of it. Right. Yeah. I think join for a week. Yeah. You flew out to Arizona. Maybe. Tonight did zone. Gene, New Mexico. Maybe. And then Austin I left from Austin, right? Yep. So that was cool and just driving, no planes or anything. We're just driving around and you and I at received no the co author who has gone on to many other things in the pimp east world before then and since then so we were all together in the car, and that was fun. It was just a an interesting thing, and it was hard. Because I my daughter was only two months old. No, not she was like four or five months old at the time. So it was kind of strange to go away for two months from her and from our family, and I just just like one of the things like when I did it seemed fine looking back. I'm like, I can't believe I left my wife with the two kids for that long. We have to do that with an infant, basically. I don't know. That's amazing. And then they actually ended up they've flew out and met me in in Washington for a little while few days, but in Seattle, actually. So yeah, it's just it's just got it all went down and got it all happened. I'm proud of it. But man, I just was a whole lot of stuff that had happened for that thing to. Yeah. I would say that was that was definitely a turning point at that point. I was working for you semi part. I mean, I don't know doing customer service, and it was doing the podcast and kind of any other random thing you needed help with. And the team. Let's see the team would have been Susan myself and knew that point. But it was soon after that that we grew pretty pretty significantly. Yeah. This is what I was saying like kind of becomes a blurred to me at this point from from year five to your ten like I can remember the past two years, and we doesn't change a whole lot in the past two years. But I think I don't know six seven eight was sort of just awkward transition period. I didn't really know what kind of business. We were what we wanted to do. When did we start having more people? Like, I remember I went to the Seth Godin a thing where I got the chance. So we've mentioned Seth Godin many times on here. He's a marketing author, but just the guy who I think is work is so good. And so important, I got this. She has to go spend a week in his office with like fourteen other people's from one this little like con- you to make a little video and do these as my one and got to go, and that was really fun when I came back from that, I was all fired up about creating the running groups, right? And that's where that whole idea kind of hatched, and it's good and really had hands on that a lot and really helped us to figure out how to make that work. So that was really cool. We hired Maggie to help coordinate. There's running groups groups. Yeah. Yeah. And she was with us for about a year or so. And then I think she she had to move on. She moved actually just things changed. But we'll Esther Esther who who if you Email me athlete right now, you're probably going to talk to her. A lot of people. I think I think more people investor the we realize. Oh, yeah. Yep. But anyway, she's about to hit her three year anniversary with athlete. Okay. So she would have joined the very beginning of twenty sixteen. I think. Yeah. So she may have overlapped with Maggie. I don't remember. But there was Maggie. And then, and then we had Billy helping us for awhile guy, helping us with some of the marketing things. And then when did when did will come on? You'll Kim came on the relaunch of of the domain athlete kademi to this past nobody he had worked, but he'd been with us before that he had done some things had he he he kind of did like, I think he did the old Doug jobs sister. I don't know. Anyway, we'll now does a whole lot of social media type things he manages a lot in the pulse community. So as I said that when we we launched the nobody after the kademi made it way better. And added this whole community side to it. Then that involves the live Q and as a couple times a month, and the the Facebook where people can go in there, and he's done a really good job managing that. And I believe that's involved in that too. Right. Yeah. Absolutely. So he does that helps us out. We'll help us with the pulse newsletter that goes out every week to those academy members and. Writes, the little little attrition spotlight and picks out the recipes that you know, we were calling anime approve Morand the web and. Get to two that's will. And most recent edition is injured. Yes, this if you like, yeah. So, you know, more than me because you work with Andrew area often. I guess. Guess I guess people. Probably don't do what I do right now. I do. No, we'll so. So around this time last year. You had launched alpine organics. Yep. At the time it was called light drop. Right. It was called by drop. So the which makes complement which is the non supplements. And departed with a guy named Tolman. Who is a successful businessman? He took interest into math lead and kind joined the team just as an adviser. Is that fair say? Yep. Totally and he helped he helped to make. So I think I'm a terrible manager. I think that's one of mon- of my non skill sets. Part of my school said is not being a good measure at all. So what he did was came in and said, here's how you actually need to organize a company if you want to be able to grow, and if you want to not be the one who is responsible for every single responsibility other than these pockets of things you've managed to delegate. You know, he came on in like helped us just organized correctly. So I would say you sort of stepped into what in many ways was was the things I spent a whole lot of time on. And then the things that you had used to spend a lot of time on you still do some of them. But that's what we started to build this team to to do with with us turn will. And then ultimately, the addition of Andrew who came in to be the Novi athlete editor at it's all the all the new products. So the new Badrul's and the academy bog posts a lot of the emails. He feel like that was a big one because it kind of admit that we had like a full content machine. Yeah. Right. And in many ways, it has machine that still still need some grease in. Oh, definitely spot without a doubt. Yeah. But, but yes, I mean, I think for a while it was meeting everything on my own, or at least everything that I could except for a few little things, and then you came on and took over a helped a lot with that burden. But I think it was kind of only in the past year and a half that we started to say like things were way better when you actually hire someone whose job it is just to do this one thing, and you pick someone who's actually good at that not one of us who has learned how to do it. And that that's really made a much much different. No, Matthew for sure. Different. I think different and in some some people's minds. It will they'll say worse. But that's it's just how you look at like what I was going to say was that. When we when we first started doing the podcast, and I kind of made the decision that the podcast is where I'm going to put my energy, and the blog posts are going to be once every two weeks or something I've got all these emails from people who were just so used to the old way. And they would say, look, we I understand that the podcast is is a new medium and the people are into that. But I really like reading bog post, and that's what I want. And that's what I know know me to be. So I don't like it anymore. Now that you're doing things in this new way. If we now went back to I started writing blogs, which all the time and stop doing podcast. We Email from podcast people who say, you know, nobody nothing's supposed to be weekly podcast. And I don't like it the way you're doing it now. So that's what I meant by saying that like immeasurable minds like change is not a good thing. But as you know with the decision we made about what we want this brand movement and company to be and become. I think it's I think it's a thousand percent better. Now that we have in actual team doing things, and you know, the coolest thing about the team is to me what's Sam I'm gonna feel good. I'm the chew I was talking to somebody about like we ship styles and and stuff and since I'm I can manage the team. Now, I was talking to someone earlier like what kind of injury. Cheerleader. Is that is that a known what that was like one of the options? Anyway. But what I love the most about our team. So we have it's me and you Susan who came on really early. Andrew will Esther men Matt Tolman and every single person on the team. So that's what some people six people. Seven. Came to know method as a fan, I like as a reader or. And then just kind of reached out or we started working with them on whatever for whatever reason. And and eventually they ended up joining the team ended up being good fit for the team. But I just think that's really really cool. And that keeps the like. You know, I don't know like people believe in what we're doing in the team believes what we're doing. And I think that that's reflected in the type of content. We put out in the in the communities. We built on the pulse group and with the health simple challenge like this. It's like this crazy engaged group of people who are you know, who are really thriving on the phone this challenge. And I think that that's because the team we built in the community you've built. I mean the team we've built came from a community that you've built. Yeah. I think you're right about that. I actually did not realize that or if I did then I had forgotten that. But I think that is extremely important. I had the sense that everyone on our team really cares about what we're doing. Not not just like cares about the success of no, Matthew. But they care about the whole thing care about being at the movement of animals care about health it. I don't know. I think that's because of what you said that I had not really noticed on my own that they didn't these are people who we just hired who came in looking to get a job and who liked what we were doing so much that they wanted to be part of it. So that really is special. And yeah, I think I think it's that's been the huge difference between this year. And I really the past two years. It's just so different now because it involves so many people there are so many hands on pretty much everything that we put out. Podcasts by the one thing that really it's still being you, and almost nobody touches it. Yeah. Right. It's just menu that I added it and. Yeah. We should do something about that editor. Yeah. It's funny. Mabley mix things. It's possibly will. Who knows? But I do think I think. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what it's hard to be to have a sense of what people from the outside. Like what it looks like as he goes through these changes, honestly, people probably notice because as I've as I've noticed the lifespan of and this is sad, but the life someone following a site is a year or two, and it's not more. And that that's that's at on the high end mostly will get into a new site there in do it there on the list, they read emails for week or two. And then they're off at least that's how I behave when I plant up for news sites. Like I care about them. And I think this is awesome. And I think I'm going to care about this forever. And then if you later I'm out of it, and I'd forgotten all about it. And I'm on subscribe for their emails. So anyway, I what I'm saying is I perhaps people aren't even preceding changes because there are people who if someone's into it for a year. That's awesome. That's wonderful. And that's a pretty big fan and even to them. That's not really long time to him where you're kind of seeing major changes. But anyway, I still wonder like what people think about that. And from my perspective, I think this past year, we've gotten really really equipped the machine still can use them some oil in places, but. I think we're in a position where we can actually do really big good things now and make things happen quickly. And and potentially massively expand our impact. I don't know for sure that we will do that. Or that will decide that's the right thing to put effort into doing. But you know, I think we're gonna really good position now to to be able to do good important things. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's interesting that what started as you writing every day about what you're eating kind of doing that whole food blogger or lifestyle blogger thing, you know, has turned into something where you know. I mean, if all you did was check the bog, I mean, you would see the podcast post-coup per week. And you'd see blog posts come out every couple of weeks. But you wouldn't see them actively. But now more than ever there's so much going on behind the scenes, and there's. With the with the with the academy and the pulse group with health mate simple challenge. The running groups with. Just all the other activities and products, and courses and stuff were involved. And there's just so much going on behind the scenes, and I think that we are making a change where so much more effective at at helping people and helping and helping the movement than we would have ever been had just stayed a lifestyle blog. Yeah. I think that is true. As evidenced by allow things very we we we now employ a lot of people many of them part time, but put a few fulltime as well. And we had an a new book came out last year the cookbook now this new one is coming. So we told I don't think we saw one hundred thousand bucks yet total. But actually, if you can't e books and things like that that we sell on our own then surely over a hundred thousand but as far as good published print books go, I think we are. I think we're in the in the eighties maybe ninety thousand of books, which is amazing to think about that. Just that's just so many people that actually have have this. This thing has touched not because of me or my writing by any means, it's not that. It's just the fact that this movement has grown the way it hasn't it? We've done a good job of sort of harnessing, what what we have no matter how they directing it into good projects that matter and building a community. So that that sure feels like we're doing something that that is actually starting to matter. So that that's really cool. We've got a lot of. Teachers out there in the world. I think we've probably sold forty fifty thousand teachers believe it or not. Well, that's cool. And it's cool. Well, what else the schools the the whole? Online vegan athletic community has exploded. Since she started math. I mean, there's so many other bloggers and podcasts and YouTube channels and all that stuff. There's so much more out there. And I think that part of what we've had to do what you've had to do is is like figure out where you fit in in that community. And I think it's it's a lot of like what we're doing of the community building in the. And the educational stuff and not necessarily just like becoming your best friend. You know, like you do right YouTube channel, right? Yeah. I mean, you're right. Like, it's I don't know if people have that sense of how different it was when he started at least the plant based plant the people were plant based then it wasn't really a term. Maybe it was maybe somewhere, but it was not popular. And you know, Brennan Brady was out there ritual was out there and doing his Ultraman thing, but he wasn't rich role yet. No, one knew of ritual, and I remember. I remember a few weeks a few years into no Matthey. He emailed. I think or someone introduced me to hammer something and said, hey, you should have this guy on your on our podcast what we basically featured him somehow. And you know, he was just another guy who who was doing really cool things have based diet and Scott was out there doing his thing winning ultramarathons as vegan he was talking about it a little bit. But you'd never book yet. His book didn't come out to rituals came out. He got highlighted in born to run which certainly helped. So when I look back at like, I don't know what nobody athletes place in the movement is what I know is that when I started it like there weren't other Pam based running blogs like this just wasn't. 'cause because I know this because when they would sprout up I would my ears perk up, and I would say, wait a minute. There's someone who's doing the same thing. I am. And I remember a time. I could think of like four people who were kind of now doing what we now it was doing, and it was like, wow. Like, they're they're a competitor is now in some sense, and I had to keep an eye on them. But it's so funny because now if you try to do that like, it just would be the point that's exercise because you'd find I I don't know hundreds of blogs where it's like a plant based person or vegan vegetarian, bruise independence. And they're blogging about it. I, you know, I do not at all think knowing that. It was the first blog of that kind of plant based fitness or vegan, fitness or vegetarian, fitness. There were certainly people who were in that healthy living space who were vegetarians or who would begin and who were posting about their runs and things it just that they for some reason, no one had kind of said like what this thing is about is pimp as fitness, and it was more just like about about them about their life. And they happen to be those things. So yeah. So nobody I think like came along right at what seemed like the beginning of the whole plant based athlete idea hitting hitting its stride. Because as I said it has existed for ten twenty years before that with people like Brendan brazier and Brennan bridge, even his thrive book out. But it just hadn't really gone anywhere yet. And so we came along and certainly helped to move that along, but we didn't invent that. We didn't start it became along near the beginning and kind of provided this sort of central hub for it. Maybe it was minds for four that. And just added I think to the legitimacy of it because as you start to see more sites that are that are, you know, at least trying to be fair and scientific about it adds ads legitimacy and helps people to make the choice to do it. So you know, who knows where we actually fit in. But that's how I have perceived anyway. I guess I want to make sure that it's clear because I think I know how you feel about this. But I mean. We don't we don't view all those other podcasts and. And blogs and stuff as as competition. We're grateful now for all of them. Right. Yeah. That's that is very true. That was hard to learn. I think one of the things I learned about when I used to think about trying to because I always wanted to have a business being entrepreneur was that if you find a space, and there is nobody in it. That's a pretty good sign that that is not going to be a good space. Now. There are exceptions that changed the world when someone comes along and does it, but you know, if you don't have competitors. Or if there are people doing the same thing as you inviting for the same attention as you are. You're probably not in a good space. First of all. And what I learned is that if there's no one else blogging about your topic, or you know. Doing things around your topic. There's nobody to link to you when you're when you're trying to grow blog. And so in the early days that was how that was how you grew a blog was by getting links from big blogs, and or from a bunch of smaller blogs, and what I this frustration that happened right away. It was like there's not really anyone who's doing this. And like made we can get guest post spots on other big fitness sites. But this hard it's hard to go in there and beat the b the vegetarian vegan guy telling people that this way's better than the way they're used to doing so, yeah, I was grateful when when more and more companies or blogs podcasts. Whatever started coming in the vegan fitness base at first. It was like, oh, no, wait a minute. There's someone I'm doing and very quickly. I started to realize that it was actually a really good thing. And not just for nobody athlete in the movement because not just for not because now that you could have people to work with in linked to and link get links from and guest post exchange with, but it meant that the movement is growing, and that's that's what too many of us really want. So. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I guess in some sense their competitors. But even that is weird now like just the internet has changed so much about that. And the whole when you get when you talk about network effects and sharing affects and you're talking about information, so often just like spreading ideas. It's not like a zero sum game. Whereas when one person gains the other one loses the way old school business is it's more just expansion of the pie, basically. So that's the rising tide lifts all books. There you go. And that we've we've certainly benefited from that, nobody think because we've we started this like in or I started this in one of the worst recessions, we've had and have never ever had the sense that like it's hard, right? I mean, certainly, it's hard work. But it's never been like, oh, man businesses really bad now. No one's no one's carrying anymore. No one's like everyone's saving all their money. No one's buying our things don't want supporting us. It's never felt like that. And I think we're very very lucky to have gotten in front of a huge wave that is the beacon movement. So yeah, the tide is has definitely continued to rise. And it has for a long time now, which is cool because people have always asked like whenever we have done interviews. It's always been like so veganism of fat. Or is this beginning out the thing a fad like, and they would name other things that had been fads? Then it just seems like it's stronger than it ever has been. So I really don't think it is. I think it's the way the future. I don't I'm not just saying that, you know. Yeah. There are so many like. Big reasons beyond. Like beyond the idea of saving animals rate, which is what? So people think that's kind of. And that is very much like what was the motivating factor in the seventies and eighties people who were eating this way. But there are really really big things that kind of point to this as the way the future economically environmentally healthwise. It's just lots of really really big factors that I don't I don't even know if they're beginning to shift at at the top yet, but you can kind of sense that it's just this. I had solves a lot of problems or makes makes them much Muller. Definitely. Anyway, anyway, so that is that is not nothing. That's. Nutshell. And you know, and of course, I think we should wrap this up by saying how grateful we are for anyone who's ever listened to a podcast or read a blog post, or you know, I mean anyone who's been around since day one. I'm sure you're incredibly grateful for you don't let some grape. Before that. I have not yet mentioned is my wife, Erin, because she has played a constant behind the scenes role every now, and then it gets to be in front of the scenes getting to be on the podcast, or or I don't know if she thinks he wrote some early guest posts, actually. Yeah. So she has has done that, you know. She's welcome to do that whenever she wants. I don't think that's her desire to be on the guys that much right right by post that much although someone on Instagram asked me anything last week, Doug. So that's right. Wanting to know why it would be on. What's right? So anyway, Aaron has done has done a ton of customer service work for the all along the way as me out with so many different things and still to this day. Does that like just yesterday she showed him, and she doesn't cheat doesn't after hours because she helps the kids for a whole lot of the day. Of course, they're in school. But she she finds many things to do with the kids into sports. So last night at ten ten pm when work is lasting on my mind that when I've learned to to check out of work when the Dan's, but she was showing me showing me proofs from the new t shirts. Emailing at ten pm. So that's. Yeah. That's that's the sort of energy has has brought to it forever. So she's she's constantly been there. And that's a good example and only recently has given up the she's done the shirt customer service. If you've ever returned shirt or had a question about shirts, you have very likely dealt with Aaron and only recently has she handed it off to Esther so errand is just a little bit now with that kind of thing. But but man for for nine and a half years. She's done a tremendous amount. So there you go there you have it. There you go. History of Newman nasty and soon next chapter is gonna be video, right? That's right. As we announce that the sees the top of season three of New England radio start. You're going to see this video and then the first video screwed up. And we've we haven't ever gotten off the ground now. But yeah, but we have some big of a deal. I have not yet organized the minimum mind to execute them. But I do I'm looking forward to that. I do think it's coming now and next year. So this is kind of a little teaser for twenty nineteen could get ready, folks. All right. Well next year is the tenth anniversary. And we're going to be celebrating a lot. We have some big plans some exciting things we're trying to do next year. We do. And that's only the things that we thought of there's. It's gonna be a lot more stuff that as we do it. We will. Yeah. I'm like, I think tweet nineteenth can be the best year yet. I hope it is. That'd be really fun. I'm convinced that's going to be my all right emission for this for the year. As I said, we're gonna position to do that. I think we the past few years that we've built ourselves a nice setup for making something our big you're ever so much hope turning nineteen is it. Yeah. Okay. All right. Good. Well, thanks, everyone for listening. Hope you enjoy this. I'm sure it wasn't for everyone this type of I'm so, but if you're still listening. You must've had something like that it. So thank you for that. Thank you for supporting and. We'll be back next week. Yeah. Right. Have a great thanksgiving. You if you celebrate. Yes. That is right. How good thanksgiving? Yeah. All right. Well, we've got we'll have an episode should be a new one coming out on black Friday and. Then I'll be back within within a week or two after that. Save travels. All right. Thanks to Joe. Joe?

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The Bike Crash that Changed My Life

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The Bike Crash that Changed My Life

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If you listen to the episode a couple weeks ago we had. Matt Frazier and I had you on and we talked about kids and parenting and which was awesome and such a fun time that we thought we have you back said. Welcome BACK EMPTY. Happy to be here now. There are there many guests who've been on this might be my third or fourth time so I feel like I'm a regular host of this week. Well you know I think we might have you. Yeah it's a good Segue UP IN. We've been talking about having more voices on the podcast with some regular frequency and introducing New People to the team so No you are definitely in an elite group of people to come back for a third time. I think there's Robert Cheek and Pamela and said maybe ray. Rice has been on three or four times. But that's about it so I hope you know we're we're gonNA see like a riot on twitter with people saying like no don't replace don swapped imagine we don't this new one so we should be clear that there's none of that going on right But I know there's a lot of really die hard fans out there. It's just speaking to one last night. Actually High Z. And she's like listen to every one of the episodes but I think she puts in a lot of time on the trails on the road on a bike. You know. So she's definitely fan of yours. Doug and Matt Great Well. I know it's been it's been so cool to you We we put that call for anyone to reach out if they listen to every episode and way more people than I thought have actually done it. Which is both like inspiring and overwhelming amount of hours of talking to your ear. It puts a lot of pressure on us. But we keep it entertaining and I'm next week arena introduce Julia So I won't talk too much about her yet but There are are some female voices. They were hoping will become semi regular on the podcast. You so not just Duggan Matt's well I will say that change is good and as we as we grow into this next phase of of no me down the you know it's always incredible to reminisce on like you and Matt have built over the last ten years What was it? Seven people have gotten the original running care tattooed on their body. And when you talk about like brand loyalty and like fanaticism I I'm fairly certain indelible ink on your body is pretty much the the highest form of compliment. You know. Well you know I'm sure it also represents the Brennan cared represents something very special to a lot of people so yeah it's cool. It's cool so today we're going to be talking about Kind of a big thing. That happened to you. I don't know six months ago. Helen go I think about six months? Exactly yeah that was pretty life changing I would say in in many ways and And certainly a surprise for everybody but but before that I have a quick story that I was. I found myself in line at a grocery store at midnight last night with about twenty other people with carts full of canned goods and and dried goods. I didn't they usually got freaked out. I did you know the. Have you been paying attention to the news in the last? I have been absolutely have been. You know we've been. I don't know there's something about last night. It was like back to back to back to back with like trump's speech and then the NBA canceling their season. And all these travel bans and and Katie. And I looked at each other for like. Oh no real. She's like. Can you go to the grocery store tonight? She's like I think we. I think we need to start up a little bit. So sure enough. I was there and it was. It was funny like I. You know the exact same thing happened to a bunch of other people because there were a lot of us who were doing the exact same thing just had this very clear by what we're buying that it was for preparations and and even the checkout lady was like. I have no idea what's going like what triggered things tonight and I was like. I think it was the speech. Probably I don't know the news just kind of turned yesterday. It seemed but I did the Amazon thing. And you know a couple couple of weeks ago. Actually because I went on looked at from asks you know my wife is like thirty seven weeks pregnant so I am a little bit more terrified of this and I would otherwise be because we're about to have a newborn and so of course I went on Amazon. I looked for masks and they hit already. Sold out right. The only ones you could find from like a unverified third party reseller like four hundred dollars per mask is just like ridiculous and I was like okay. Well you know I don't WanNa be the last guy to realize. We need some dried goods and and they make it so easy for you because if you go on like bulk Qinhua right under it. Says like people also viewed like Lima beans beans. I just click yes. Click yes click. Yes yeah just like all of a sudden next thing you know like hundreds of dollars of of dried food on our doorstep been. My wife was in really pleased with that but I feel you know but the other thing is I don't really feel good about it like we tapped into the penal last night because we didn't have any of the keenum on so I'm fairly certain with the I mean as with all other vegans. You know you have to consume a large volume of food just to get to the calories that you need to survive. You know so when I do the math on my my Toddler my wife and myself like it's not GonNa last that long so I don't really know what we're all planning because they know. How much canned food could you and Katie and possibly survive on right two weeks max? You know yeah I mean. I think I estimated that the card had about eight to ten days worth of food in it which I mean. There's not that much you know. I am not trying to be alarmist here and I. I don't consider myself someone who like starts prepping for a lot of things at my biggest fear is like that. Just like the grocery store somebody. One of the workers will get sick and so they'll shut down the shore. We only have one grocery town. Of course there's other ones ten or fifteen minutes away so like it's not the end of the world but you know one shuts down then another one shuts down like that's what that's what's a little frightening to me and but hopefully you know. Hopefully it's just a matter of like showing now for a day or two deep clean. Whatever opening back up I duNno. It's also it's also unknown in the it's like avenue. All anybody is talking about this. I we shouldn't spend the whole episode talking about it but feel good because that's it's just a wild. It is wild isn't it? I don't remember like the thing is the saddest part so first of all. I'm terrified because I don't actually think we're testing people. I think the. Cdc I heard last night the the CDC tested eight people yesterday or something and like it's just like the numbers are not anywhere near where they need to be t even know the scope of the spread and as a result like I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of sick people around us. I think they just have a cold or the flu and like they're actually you know they're infected like it's not that big a deal you know. My wife is trying to calm me down by explaining that The common cold is like one hundred and twenty four strains of different viruses and five of them are actually corona viruses. It like we have. They've been circulating the globe forever. In this considered part of the you know the cluster of symptoms we call the common cold you know and then and like the others are considered like flus right and so it's just like this. One is GONNA be lumped into this other you know kind of batch of viruses that just get traded between people. So it's it's interesting though like are we all just freaking out because the media has played this up into like extremes when in fact like it's just another layer on top of the flu and we should all wash our hands and coughing to our elbows and like you know take precautions around elderly and other people dealing with chronic diseases. Hey I have no idea how to read the situation. You know just so weird any. Yeah I mean right I mean. I don't think that I'm a healthy young man. I don't think I'M GONNA I'm GonNa die from this and I think that even my family is that too big of risk but you know but of course like since there is no vaccine for this particular strain of virus You know it is. It is putting a lot of people at risk that you know. That wouldn't have been address otherwise sensitive but anyway. We're not experts. You should listen to your experts. Follow what they say you know. We're just I don't want to be another talking talking about this anyway all right. Let's talk about tragedy. Something lighter something a little lighter all right I guess. Why don't I set the picture in the new kind of takeover the story? How does that town About a year ago or maybe maybe not that nine months ago you you you shared the some news that you were training for one hundred mile bike race and this was like your first big endurance ride and I know you put a lot of effort into that training and traffic jam. Pack Big Training In. A couple weeks. Let's talk about that but I think we just go ahead and jump to the ending here. Which which didn't quite go as planned. I knew you were out riding that day on the race day and expecting some sort of update from you and it was over and I got an update but it was a picture of you in the hospital with blood all over yourself. What happened well. Yeah it was not only my I sort of endurance events There's also like my first bike race. Ever it was probably the first time I've been on a bike in quite a long time. That is to say when I started training so I really procrastinated pretty much until the very last moment where you know like four to six weeks out from race day and decided Irish is going to put in as many hours on the bike as possible and see how far I could go and and then probably quit honestly like I really did not expect to be able to write a hundred miles and I just kept pushing it and pushing it in and got to a point where actually within that that four week period was my longest eighty four miles so I went into it feeling. Really good pretty impressive to go from zero to eighty four and four weeks. Yeah I mean look I I I I run you know so totally different muscle groups in in totally different strain on your body. But like I'm a fit guy. I enjoy exercise and chasing my son around so like it's you know it wasn't. It wasn't the craziest leaping. Yeah definitely like there's some days where I couldn't walk 'cause like my body just did not know what I was doing and by the end of it I could only get like one or two rides in per week because my body was just so not used to the kind of strain I was putting on those muscles and And I had to give it like four days to to rest like go out like try to push it from sixty seventy and then seventy eighty and anyway it was only supposed to be eighty mile ride by the way. I was going to be my longest but I got lost and ended up being eighty four. So so that was yeah. They remains the longest. I've ever gone because as you noted about sixty seven miles into the ride. Literally the only downhill of the entire ride of. Yeah Yeah. We're not in cholera. I am currently in Colorado and you know enjoy mountains but like this race started in Wisconsin and we were in Iowa at the moment. We're talking super flat terrain right. So he literally. One ascent one descends. And you know it's just bad luck a little bit of rain some gravel on the road too close to the curb like I really wish that I knew what happened But long story short I I looked back Towards my uncle and next thing you know my face was going into the ground and somehow you know is going fast enough that my arms didn't get up to protect my face. Of course my helmet shattered. I broke my nose. I broke The bone around I just called an orbital blowout. I broke off of a chip of my bone. and implanted my sunglasses into my cheek. So it was a pretty bloody mass. If you've ever broken your nose you know like it just I mean absolutely gushes blood so I remember I never lost consciousness so I popped up like immediately and I just knew something like I knew I was not okay and I could feel the amount of blood coming from my face and yes. A long story. Short sat on the side of the road while waiting for an ambulance. They wanted to actually use a helicopter which you know scared me at the time and scares me even more today so. I'm really glad we didn't but long car ride lots of IV's lots after they did. Yeah because we are about forty five minutes in the nearest hospital and idea what kind of potential brain injuries or flat matter like. I had this plot plastic part of my glasses jammed into my cheek. So you know I guess protocol in those situations is not to pull anything out. Because you don't want to unblock an artery or something before you get to the hospital so they were looking at you know kind of a question mark and they thought that we need to get to the hospital much faster but anyway so am I my pregnant wife then to Was was there and got there with her toddler. And you know she's incredibly strong. I can't imagine what that looked like me. Sitting on the side of the road at that point a medic had gotten there first before the ambulance and kind of wrapped entire head in half my face in bandages to try to stop the bleeding. But you know I had blood all over me all over the ground. It was just a mess so I can't imagine can't imagine what she was feeling at that moment. What all right. So did you go like Superman style. Over top of your handlebars a side actually laid down. Lay down the bike. Yeah Man Yeah I just yeah. What did the other riders to go into the important part of this conversation and security? So this is a charity. Ride raising money for diabetes and so as a result quite a few of the writers were of the health profession And I was fortunate that pretty quickly. a a nurse You know arrived in like took off my Jersey entitled around my head. 'cause you know there's some very open areas To try to stop the bleeding and and you know like I said a medic. God pretty quick because we weren't too far from a arrest area so yeah most of the writers just kept riding by and probably thinking that they were thankful that it wasn't them. Yeah Jeez what. A scene Okay so so this happens. You end up in the hospital. You obviously don't have the ride the wanted but at this point. I'm sure you're not really thinking about that You know it's much more about. I'm glad I survived this. Or what's the future look like how? How long was it before you you do you were in the clear medically as far as like long-term dimension and and I'm not talking about scars and stuff like brain damage and being able to move properly and that kind of thing. Yeah this week's to be honest you know I My first concern obviously was demonstrating. Adriana my wife that I was okay because I wanted to try to take away some of her anxiety so I was really talkative. Making jokes now. Part of that was also trying to to demonstrate to the doctor's like. I was okay because I really didn't want to stay in hospitals like I know too much about hospitals like between infection rate and everything else and like I just did not want to be there so figured if I can demonstrate that I have my mental faculties intact and it's just you know I messed up my face. They'll let me go back to the hotel and you know deal with this on my own and just be a long road to recovery. I really thought it was superficial. 'cause like I said I didn't lose consciousness. I I knew I really messed up my facebook like you know I thought everything was okay at then at some point they kind of stopped the bleeding and said we need to go get a cat scan to make sure there's no bleeding on the brainer or other kind of very serious injuries. Obviously we can't see and I remember being wheeled out of the operating room and Adriana holding our son is standing there and like Right then was I mean. I'll just never forget you know looking at her. 'cause I just pictured clear as day and the feeling I had like. Oh should this is really serious like I might die. You know like there. There might be some sort of hemorrhaging happening. Or what have you and I am so incredibly blessed that there wasn't but obviously you know there were Layers upon layers of things that we had to watch for and weeks of. Follow up appointments with different. You know everything from neuro psychiatrists psychologists whatever it is you know to to monitor you. Know Brain in the lake to a lot of stuff with my is pretty fascinating you know we. We don't appreciate how complex our body is until you get into a situation like that but you know you're I bone you know the the room the space which you I in habits is designed to give way like the floor drops out in order to reduce pressure on your eye so if you have an impact on your face. Did the ideas you know. It's designed to like let let that pressure off by blowing out the bone which is why it's called an orbital blowout So that your eye doesn't pop but it inelegantly So mine was fairly minor Like it broke but it didn't give way and so the biggest concern. In addition to like what what do we not know about brain damage potentially Which again I I always thought I was good and and got checked out but like you know the back of my mind like I just didn't know but the main concern then was like is my eyeball going to sink down and not only visually look strange but also like mess with my vision and create all sorts of downstream consequences and said have to go in surgically into my eye and put it in a metal plate to support it. And so there's just a bunch of that kind of stuff that like for weeks There's just no way of knowing how to heal and is definitely definitely very very scary. But I'm like I said incredibly blessed that at this point it appears that there is no long term lasting damage except for The scars in the memories. Yeah I mean just you know these types of things thankfully nothing like that has happened to me very thinking but you know you hear about stories like this and immediately you WanNa think about and talk about the the physical challenges right the for weeks there we would take phone calls and you'd be kind of stuck in bad because you couldn't you couldn't really move very well or or it was painful to put on a shirt or whatever because your face all messed up so like all these things like so like from the outside you want to think about those physical things but I know that there's also a big mental told us not just in relation to bike riding but you know with your family and with with everything else so I want to get into that stuff. I think. Probably now's a good time to pause and think our sponsors but that's that's definitely the part that I think is the most interesting from the story. One of our sponsors actually would be very helpful in that situation. 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Changing things happened to me but when they do I just envision you know what kind of reawakening and it gives you what what did it feel like to like over the next few days you were processing that crash processing what that meant for the rest of your life thinking about your your kid your kid on the way your wife like what. What was that experience like for you? Yeah well there's a lot of regret and a lot of self loathing. Obviously you know just thinking to myself all the things they could have done differently. You know just a split second thing. It's a random bad luck. Whatever you WANNA call it so it's obviously kind of silly to wallow in you know regret but you know you have to. I mean as a human you think about that south you know how many rides took how how does easiest riding a bike right like how. How did I mess that up? How did I let that happen? So there was a lot of that going on and as I just said a tremendous amount of concern you know I remember saying to my wife over and over like I just WanNa get the all clear from the doctors that I won't have to go back into a hospital and have another surgery like once I do that. I will just have this weight off my shoulders and I can just focus on you know sleeping through the night without feeling pain and Trying to get these scars to heal as best I can but like I just want that all clear so there was a lot of worry but I would say at some point. I don't know when maybe when I got that all clear or maybe just want enough time had had gone by that I could think clearly about it But I I really did start to appreciate life more I mean it just. It forced me to really think about how much we take for granted and you know like I said my eyesight was you know. Potentially going to be compromised. Obviously it came close of a brain damage. Death hey like so thinking through things like you know how incredibly amazing his too that we made this little son of ours. I get to play with them and I get to see his face as it changes which is nearly on a monthly basis going from a baby toddler lake. And how much I would miss. Not being able to see that you know. And and so. It's everything from the super like weighty conclusions that came to like that to the very basic stuff you know. I wasn't able to wash my face for like two months because it was raw like there was no skin between my upper lip and my forehead. I mean there was some around the edges bowling. I lost a lot of skin on both sides of my nose which I have no idea how that is physically possible. But like it's an indication. I scraped my face and my nose. A lot you know and I couldn't Eastern like I was putting all these like oily salves and stuff on it that like all I wanted to wash my face like really scrub it and like make it feel clean and I couldn't do that for months and so now to this day six. Munson like when I'm in the shower and I let the water beat on my face like I actively think about like how amazing it is to be able to do that just to be able to enjoy this life that we have so. I say you know as I just wrote this blog post for no meat athlete telling a little bit more of this story and the conclusion I came to as I was writing that was even though it was arguably the most traumatic experiences that I've experienced maybe in my entire life aside from losing some loved ones you know. I don't know that I would go back and change it Even knowing what I know now even if I couldn't change anything would I do it again? In order to get the perspective and appreciation for life that I now have like honesty. Might it would be really tough decision. Don't get me wrong. I've got some scars on my face that I prefer not to have but like my like I say my outlook you know my appreciation for the smallest things and the big things is like just radically different today. Has that actually changed your behaviors at all. Yeah absolutely I mean for better or worse and and we can talk about that offline. I'm I'm much more focused like I. I've experienced a lot of ups and downs in my career. But I'm I'm very fortunate to be in the position. I am to to be playing with all these startups in and I think going into the race in last year like I was enjoying the positions that were in You know but afterwards I realized how life is so short. You know like we really got to do something here and and so. I really do think I work harder. You know I say I love you more to my parents like I. I try to reach out to old friends a little bit more like I. I make sure to send gifts for like you know. Their kids birthdays. Like I. I just I do the things that I think I always knew I should but I never really justified for whatever reason But now I know that like there really is no time you know life is that short. And so if you're GONNA do it do it now and you know I've noticed. That is the biggest change in how I approach every day. How do you think you you hang onto that because I can see you know? You're six months out. I can. It was such a experience I can see. How a bat motivation would it be really high right now but a year from now to your Chanel ten years from now you're further separated from it? It's easy to kind of let that feeling of urgency and living in the moment go Do you think you hang onto that over time. I think pursuing a lot of life threatening ordeals the best way to know all the time. I said that Matt Frazier. Literally the day after this race. I was texting with him and I was like. I think I'm GonNa look into a marathon. Running seems a lot safer now so I don't I don't have a good answer free. You know I think I have a mantra. You know that that is the way I start my morning every day and I can tell you. It changed pretty radically after. After this event you know my goals changed like I said. My my whole approach to living changed So I think you've got to build those reminders as much as possible but I wish I had a better answer i. I don't know how you cultivate and nurture that that you know kind of verve life. You know yeah I don't either. I wish I did now I I certainly know from you know decisions. I've made things I put off and also things that I've had moved forward with that. You know that there's never a right time to like do anything big. That's GonNa make you happy. Just when you're you just have to do it right and I think that. That kind of applies here as well. There's never you know it's so easy to get bogged down in life and work and you know the monotony of of your everyday that you you kind of forget about living in the lid and sharing that love with other people doing things that make you happy and And maybe it takes a tragedy too big Dramatic experience to kind of remotivate. You to do that but but I don't think so. I think that if you can if you can somehow get in the mindset of just like every day is precious not to delay happiness or whatever that thing is like. I think that that's that's something we can. We can all do. We have to be mindful. Be consciously thinking about it because otherwise you will kind of forget about it and you'll get sucked into the to the day to day. Yeah I think I think the mindfulness is probably the best word out of that. You know in my experience and I I like to think of myself as as a meditative but the reality is that my practice goes in and out you know. I always started the morning with something of a meditative state. Like I said you know reading a mantra you know can have my own gratitude practice. But I'm I'm definitely not like our dear friend Matt Jager who is able to sit you know. And and engaged in that for a long period of time every day But in my experience when I have had consistent you know opportunities to meditate and really made that part of my lifestyle before the crash even you know I found myself just. It totally changes your brainwaves. I mean I know that we've proven that like you know clinically. It does change your brainwave but for me. Just you know my experience with that. It's like silly true. You know on on those days. I said when when I'm really in that state and and trying to nurture that. Mindfulness you do find yourself looking out into your backyard and just appreciating the trees. You know like thinking about how fortunate we are in you know Everything just like tastes better and looks better. Feels better when when you are in that to mindful state present state. I mean just like being being in the moment. Whether that's playing with your kid or eating blueberries or you know going for a run like or even working you know if you if you're really president in that state you're gonNA notice so much more and appreciate it so much more And and actually you know get to enjoy it experienced instead of always be thinking the next thing. Yeah totally I think Such appreciation for some of the people that I've met WHO You know they've taught me things like you know if you sit in. Eat No distractions right like think about every taste and texture of every bite in. It is so hard to do in this modern life of ours that that should be the next podcast would get some smart people on here to talk about You know like how do you balance trying to be a good parent you know? Be a good spouse would be a good employee year good boss or good partner at the same time. Like make the space to sit and you now think about every bite in every texture Of all the food that you enjoy any given day I can speak for myself as you know. Doug like I. I barely have time to eat the loan. You know when I do eat like I'm probably on the phone with you or I'm feeding my son right. So how do you juggle those parodies? Because you're right it is so important you know a couple of weeks ago. I Would Katie and I went to this retreat center Nearby that that it's the Oh gosh of it. No I WANNA give a shout out but I can't remember the name Anyway we went to this Richardson. That has a lot of yoga and meditation and aggravated food. And all this stuff. It's it's awesome place. I would really recommend it but they have a bunch of programs going on. We weren't a part of a specific program. They have much going on at all. Times OF ONE OF THEM IS SILENT. Retreat and You know there are people who doing silent retreat and it was You know part of me was like Oh man. I'm so glad I'm not doing that. And then the other part of me was like 'cause they 'cause there's like a special section of like dining area that was just for people. Doing this holiday treats. You wouldn't sit next to him and try to talk to them and that kind of thing and I'm glad they separated out because I could get really occurred this guy. He won't talk totally and and said you'd see the people over there and there was something just really attractive of that idea just kind of being very president. It was a beautiful space. Beautiful Place Delicious food being very present with your food and and your meal on kind of every single biton grateful for that and and I you know I of twenty four forty eight seventy two hours. Saturday retreat is would be very challenging for me but yeah that that's a constant reminder of like being president what we're talking about being able. Yeah I've absolutely no interest in that. I'm like totally into almost everything of that nature but I actually I was going to suggest. So currently during the intermittent fasting challenge an athlete academy and I'm actually I don't even know I've been facin pretty consistently as part of this and I don't even think tracked my time. I think it was anyway. I'm like a solid sixteen hours currently and feeling good but yeah maybe we should do like a meditation challenge. See if you can string together like thirty days ten minutes in the morning. Kinda thing and We'll all do it together. As part of a part of the nomadic Kademi next next challenge we have led by Matt. Jager you referred to earlier but and that's actually how I our. I built a meditation practice. Continue today because of that challenge show. I think we should definitely bring that back in the integrated idea And actually the the appreciating the blueberry comment that I made earlier was came from someone's comment in the challenge facebook group. They were saying they were just breaking a twenty four hour fascinating like today. Those blueberries tastes better than they've ever tasted. Thought that was great in my defense by the way is now remember. Jaeger's challenge and I'm pretty sure that was right. After the bike crash was that was like the end of the third or the fourth quarter last year so anyway yeah The Art of living retreat centers where we went all right. All right. Well I think Any kind of close out or should we love to hear any listeners. advice on how to cultivate and nurture that Mindfulness appreciation for life without having to attempts you know Death Defying Activities on a regular basis. So let us know you know comments Twitter instagram facebook. We love to hear from you. Yeah Doug it record runner and or at athlete on on twitter kind of the best ways to re reach us or you can always email us too so great. We'd love to hear from you Matt. Thank you so much for being on today and sharing your story. I know I know it's Could be a little hard to relive sometimes and I I as you were going through all the details of us like you probably should have give it a little heads up at the beginning that it was gonna be gruesome so thanks for everybody. I threw it the gruesome. You wait till we show the pictures of that blog post. That's really gruesome that bad. John who says they don't show pictures. I'm like it's a bloody phase. Not You know. It's not gory moving. So that's my face but thanks for having me Doug all right thanks. Everybody and we'll talk to you later.

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Is the 2-Day Rule Your Key to Successful Habits?

No Meat Athlete Radio

49:14 min | 1 year ago

Is the 2-Day Rule Your Key to Successful Habits?

"Hi this is how high this is Katie from Washington DC and you're left to know me every radio I know you're you're accustomed to celebrity status after years of Novi Athlete Yeah but I don't think it's I don't think before aside from maybe being broadcasted into ear buds of millions of people around the world you probably haven't had quite the reach as you have this past week with your CNN debut that is true. I was on TV one time for this. You remember that probably with us when we did that little thing in Arizona wherever we were. Oh Yeah Yeah but that was like a local. Oh yeah that was the thing and it was. It was even like a like a cable thing. I think it was like a pay for pay for time. I think anyway but so we did that and I think so in time that I've actually been on TV. I May Have Oh you know what I actually was on. Asheville news early this year because when holding had a concussion and he was having this kind of innovative sort of treatment by this bring nerves neuroscientist here neurologists the news came a little feature on him so I was interviewed for that. I still not the CNN level reach for sure and that so that was very cool it was on it was on Saturday a bunch of times on Saturday morning. I didn't expect it to be but it was like the guest on H. L. N. which I thought was healthy living network. Maybe I didn't say that on this podcast headline news news yeah which I thought went away like I just I that was when I was a kid I think before. CNN Headline News the the twenty four hour news was and maybe maybe that was the first like show that CNN had or the first channel that data no but anyway now now they both exists. It seems like the same thing. I don't know they just have different names. I think I think they have some different shows and stuff yeah but it was it was on like that. Whatever the Saturday morning show is. It just repeated every hour for the first four hours so you did you did you watch for people they keep texting. I one and then we wanted to see we wanted to. Oh Air wanted recorded with their phone because it was happened to be on our FUBO APP the thing that we use for soccer watching record from there and I did but air wanted to recording on on her phone so she could send it to people and always well. Maybe it'll come on the next hour and we did and it did so that's funny. It was good yeah a couple of the boo who did not know what was going to be just figured nobody and watch at that hour it was on Sunday morning as well On. CNN and I just figured that that was the time there's nobody watched but actually people who the in the moment saw it and I was like that's cool to see that that was neat interesting that that they were here for four hours and and footage is like two minutes. I mean the clip I think the whole thing was a minute and twenty or something and the amount that like actually because there was a part where they're talking about it. There's a nutritionist christianised being interviewed and she's in it and her voices over a lot of our footage but I mean it's probably like forty seconds of actual footage from from the four hours crazy but now I mean nothing. I think you know those those fun. It was cool to have them come out and they drove all the way up here from Atlanta and purdue peace and put a little web article about out about it but I saw in. which has the video clips? You can find find it. I I watch CNN anymore so I don't know your Cable News Cable News but so I didn't get to see it live but I saw that little pop up in on it. Actually I'd noticed that because somebody posted to the pulse community group on facebook first time I saw and and someone else said they saw it live real excited about that and then someone else said Yeah just the article just popped up in my apple newsfeed which I'm sure curated to. You still happen to my daughter's kindergarten. It took her into school yesterday and the day I never met him before and she said I saw your thing on CNN. That's cool yeah. That's funny. That's why wouldn't that's that kind of reach gets you. That's never happened before with even with things that always feel so much more relevant like being runner's world for something or a veg edge news thing like that. That's exactly what we do so it feels like it makes total sense and you feel like that's that's the big deal but then there's it seems like well this. Is You know it's a thing that doesn't apply to a lot of people it seems like but it turns out. That's what that's what people yeah. It's true and this kind of a side note but along the same lines I 'cause. I had that runner's world thing that we've talked about article. Ah I haven't seen since high school they emailed me down my email and and they were like I was in a doctor's office and the only magazine there was a runner's world on flipping through it and I saw your face is nothing we'd have been in touch. I think that this is yes. Then the names have been on the cover of magazine both of our days which we still haven't seen anything but they saw it in a doctor's office well. I think I think that's good and I quite enjoyed the clip. I thought it the opening line was something along the lines of just a recreational athlete who who has been able to do some really cool things to the paint plant based. Diet or something like that and those are really learn those perfect so well. That's thanks to them because they they edited. That's truly was the opening line interview. I'm sure but let's that's great and like nobody athlete kept getting featured all over the place. It is being mentioned. It just got shown in little. Did the name not now. I think you know I didn't yeah. They should have something in your shirt. Okay there's a link to it for sure because we got some traffic from Abraham Lincoln the article Yeah Okay Anyway Tucker at the end. It was cool. Oh Yeah Yeah your your. Your kids got lots of lots of airtime yeah. I think it was more meaningful for them actually because I don't know these TV it was different but Y- you get enough of these little magazine things and things and they're kind of they just get to the point where okay that's the kids that for them. It's a huge deal sure that school making her listen veggie select an I and I did chuckle at your your little spicer thing though Veggie crinkle cutter the crinkle cutter that seemed like such the Anti Matt Frazier Tool Yeah I mean I didn't buy that hearing about that. I mean it's for the kids. Reading makes the cucumbers Nice. Listen crinkled. Yes carrots fun for the kids anyway so that was good well yeah. That was this good and big week for the for the plant based community has yet. We get mad frazier. CNN and Game Changers comes without next week to I think that's right. Hey speaking that if I make a plug for the nomadic cookbook on kindle it is killing it in the Kennel store kindle store. I don't know why I don't know what happened and but somehow it shot up last week to number one in exercise and fitness which is like the the not just plant based but just all exercise and fitness category. Tim Ferriss Book Is there and the Shoe Dog Phil Knight Book Nike Guy Yeah. That's in there and it's number one which is amazing. It's number one in like vegan cooking and the vegetarian cooking or whatever and I don't know why I have no idea I am wondering if it has to do with game changers somehow the print version isn't isn't doing that just where it always uses but the kindle one for some reason shot up so anyway if you wanna go go keep some power behind wave go kindle book yeah that sounds awesome and it's part of the kindle unlimited right to if you're a member of Canadian Limited and get it for free and still counts toward the Amazon ranks and all that if you get so yeah please do that especially if you can limit just go get it for free because then anything for that person's time but for the time but it's so worth it all right well. Let's let's let's go to today's topic which is kind of relevant with a with an update here because maybe maybe. I feel like I've said this if you times but this time I I really I really mean it. I've been kind of I would say. Flailing is a good term to use since my last hundred milers as far as training goes really super consistent. I'll do some long runs with some friends because is it sounds like fun and run here and there but it's just had the the training has just not been. It's been the worst training block that I've had. Probably you know you have a goal in mind your training four well no. I hadn't but now I do and for the past couple of weeks have been kind turning that around. I have a goal. I have a a kind of a short term goal comment immediate goal in mid October to do a run that I've been planning to do for a long time which we've talked about pixel the from Pisgat Mount Mitchell It's about sixty three miles so I'm really gonNA. Chase after that for the first time have a date. I'm really settled doing it. so that's that's them immediately and then. I'm also fired up for this a AH like winter and spring my kind of winter races that I've done the past few years Mitchell challenge and a couple of other couple others. I'm like I'm ready. Emily fired up to start training. I don't know whether it's the change in the season the leaves Kenan starting to turn and fall or what but the past few weeks have been billing backup that consistency and and feeling really good about getting after it again well. That's good. That's a good thing and what you don't you don't know what to attribute that to the change in your in your mood for mindset. I don't think so like the Group of guys that I do. I run with maybe once or twice a week. They've have been kind of getting back on the train to meet up every week. Instead of just some random weeks so that that's been good in their kind of fired up but you know really I it was it was I think it was an pitcher was was the like huge motivator because about six weeks out are seven weeks out at decided I was going to do it and then it was like all right now. I only have about five weeks to trade and I'm way out of shape so let's gear. We're good yeah so but Kistins consistency is. GonNa is what we want to talk about today. Yes this is a great topic. It's one that I think is a is like we often refer to it but I don't think we ever really talked about it as a topic but it's obviously super relevant to what you're trying to do everything. I don't say important or critical is because but I wonder for you might be good jumping off. Point is now that you're back into your fired up and you're ready to start training and you kind of reimagined re- reset your schedule. You're committed again do consistency. Do you regret that the past amount of time since your hundred miler whenever you're training whenever you started started flailing Do you regret that you didn't have something in place then that would make you that would cause you to be consistent like this two day rule. We're GonNa talk about what you've love probably heard US referred to as the don't miss twice rule which said a couple times not that many or some sort of just habit built with this. Is Your daily anything. You absolutely always did it whether that's going on running or whether it's actually like sticking to some sort of workout program do you regret that you haven't been consistent or it was at a necessary part of this whole thing and kind of keeps you wanting to get fired up again about it. Yeah I mean so I think we've talked a lot about the seasons of life and going through phases where you have motivation and where you kind of lose motivation or or motivated to do something different and I think that you know going through one of those phases for sure where it wasn't that. I didn't enjoy running it. Just wasn't you know super motivated to get out there every day. Eh More to push myself and and I don't. I don't regret going through that. I think that that was that Austin. Austin has happened to me after Milo. This one is probably the longest stunt but I think it's good to kind of give myself a break. You can always get go through a season where you're a little less focused on on that particular goal so I don't regret the lack of consistency what I do kind of regret or uh-huh. Actually maybe this isn't even bigger motivator is like I feel now that I'm getting back at it. I feel out of shape you know a Ah ten to twelve mile long run because I hadn't been doing those except for sporadically sporadically. You know like I get sore the next day from that and that's like that's something that I used to be able to do all the time a couple of times a week so that kind of hurts my ego a little bit and but at the same time there's also motivating right because I know that I have this big challenge. Alan J like five weeks and and and I know have a long way to go between now and then so I'm GonNa get my butt in gear and go for it. yeah well. I think that's an important question because I thought about this a lot myself included so let's let's jump to the a two day rule thing we have more about like the background of consistency of we need you but the two-day role is is something you sent me on you. Do I don't know. Do you know that the guy's name who did that Matt's I was very popular youtube. Here's two million subscribers yeah. He's a minimalist gays. Actually you'd probably like I don't know if you've had heard of him now. I had not seen like Matt Devali de Avella okay. Do Anyway de Hyphen Av the La.. He's a hyphen and his name like a not hyphen robot or something living cyborg anyway. If you Google Matt two-day Rule Youtube probably find it would probably work to anyway so the idea is not a new one. I don't know where I I heard I think it was definitely mentioned in James Clears Book Atomic Habits but I I probably heard from that from before that from Leo Habits back in the day and I don't think he made it up. I think he was citing it as if it was somebody else's real but the thing was you don't miss your twice like if you have some sort of thing that is meant to be mostly a daily habit. not not meant meant to be an every other day. I really meant to be. You're doing this almost every day. That inevitably something will come up that causes you to miss it and if you're strict rule is that ah you do not miss it two days in a row then for a lot of people. That's kind of the consistency and I I think it makes a lot of sense because it's cool that it sort of gives you this like. It's okay to have a sick day or have something by the way he says when he's actually truly is sick he'll make an exception and allow himself to miss it. There's something just totally does really actually prevent you he's not totally free of exceptions but I like the idea that there's sort of this red alert that goes up when you miss watts and it's and that suddenly when you have missed once it becomes the most urgent thing in the world to make sure you do not miss twice which is which is. I think that's why it works because the most people when you miss once you become more likely to miss that second day than any other day yet but this sort of flips around and makes it to your ideally if it's working if you're good at it your likelihood missing that second day becomes tiny so that's the idea this guy on youtube credited with him being jailed for his whole life or his ever since he's decided to get in shape it just kind of kept him on the path and putting all this muscle and all this stuff so yeah just to like what I think happens when a lot of people get motivated and they get into a really nice everyday routine and then and they miss a day it kind of just throws it off and mentally you feel like you've kind of art failed a little bit and that's why the next day is so easy to to skip as well because you kind of like just on this day streak and it was awesome and now now look at me and I think that with exercise I think some some people are a lot of people understand that rest days are are good and kind of taking a day off. You can be a good thing but if you're looking at a meditation habit or healthy having smoothie every morning some sort of healthy eating habit reading reading instrument right playing an instrument any of that stuff any of those habits that are are just good like small habits making your bed anything yet. When you fall off that that first day then it can be it can be difficult and I experienced this big time and the meditation challenge that we did with Matt Jager couple months ago where I was on a great great like two week to week plus streak and then we went on vacation or something we went out of town for the weekend and I missed a day and then the next day that all that that motivation than I had leading up it was like totally gone and that's another reason this works we haven't mentioned yet. Is that it takes a mealy undermines. The whole idea of the perfectionist mindset turns out people think is their friend and like I'm just not gonNA miss.. Anything and I'm having a perfect streak that works for a while until you break. If you're street then it's the opposite then doesn't work and then you have no motivation to do it again. So this gets rid of it. Completely says there is no streak. You'RE GONNA mistakes here and there it's fine and when you do you get right back on so I guess you could you could say it lowers the bar for perfection now you perfection is never miss more than once but somehow but somehow that never I mean. I don't imagine that feels much like a long but it doesn't have this perfectionist streak mentality to it once you messed up. It's ruined now. I don't know what happens. Once you miss miss twice so you've been going months and you haven't missed twice. You missed two in a row and then you do does that feel like absolute. Failure has happened because now you're off your quote streak or does not feel like that because it's just it's pretty rare. I think if you yes it's pretty common that you missed one day but if your whole goal is do not miss I think probably becomes pretty rare that you do miss twice probably way less rare than missing wants to anyway that that's an interesting tool. I think probably really useful for a whole lot of habits habits. That got me thinking like. Is that a a good thing or do. We actually need. These long breaks like we just talked about and for me. This took the form least in my mind mind most clearly of because we did we did a podcast about habit formation sort of things and the motivator for the competition for me was that I was really back into drumming again and I was doing jazz. Romeo's pricing jazz really interesting. It never had done that before found. It fascinating loved doing the practice every single day breath and at some point had gotten away. I think I had to start at that years ago and then took a break for like a year or two and then we can really got back into it. And how did this episode and I remember that episode saying I just keep kind of kicking myself. Wondering why didn't I just keep practising for twenty or thirty minutes a day. It's so easy to do even ten minutes a day. Why didn't I just keep doing that for the past few years whatever and when we recorded that I was thinking I was in the state of mind where I was like you know that was such a mistake to miss all those chances to practice even just a tiny little bit but keep a streak going because such a different place well in that when we record that I was I was thinking there's no way I'm going to go another period like that. I'm in now and I now have seen the light. There's no reason I would ever miss days at that but here I am now. Now I do find myself wishing I still did sometimes but I haven't done it in years and also like I have a little more perspective now and I think like I don't know that would have been a pretty big investment to be doing that all the time and I'm not sure that's the habit that I want to be spending twenty thirty minutes a day on. It's nice when I get back into that mindset and WANNA WANNA do all the time but do I really wish I had done that at all the other things I could have chosen to do do I wish I would have done that every single day or never miss twice with that in the past a few years not necessarily a lot of things that I chose to do instead so that I just I wonder about that. Rule like a message isn't like be careful what you apply that rule to because you don't want to get stuck doing something forever because I think people are smart enough to get off with something. When it's not values they use their time man? I just I just wonder about I don't know is there value in in the long break and like what if what if you had had a two day rule for your running after your hundred dollar and running workouts or whatever it is the council's that you feel like you're feeling and what if you had kept that today rule up and then because of that it just felt like this drag all the time time and then you've got to now when you're in this version of the world you're feeling on motivating ready to go again what if in that never missed twice version of the world. You're you're hating. It and you're not motivated again because you didn't take proper time off really feel that let it naturally come back that drives you get back to running yeah. That's a great. I don't know it's a great question. I mean I guess like the only thing that kind of comes to mind and and I don't know how to implement this myself necessarily but is to is to maybe for one be really strategic about what you would apply the two radio rule two so if there's a particular habit that you know you you know you really want for the long haul and see the value in for the long haul so drumming it was fun and creative and kind of have gave you some pleasure in that kind of thing but you know. I I doubt you had ambitions to become a jazz drummer professionally that so you know it was kind of more of a nice nice habit than like a an essential habit whereas maybe exercise or meditation or something related to health might be more of what you would call like in central habit and something that you know you really like if you picture your life thirty years from now now like what are the habits that you wanna be doing thirty years from now and in like those are the ones. I think to double down on and maybe it's not running mate like maybe you know maybe in one season like right. Now I could apply the two they ruled two to running but after one hundred mile or something like that if I need a break and maybe it's just like doing something active moving my body in some way every single day and that can be yoga were walking the dog or whatever you know and and that would still qualify as being consistent in that part of the kind of the goal so being a little bit flexible and also and also really during in on on what the essential habits are the want you know but also like. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying you know for the next six months before my you know before all spring races. Take place like I'm applying this to your two running and then after that who knows maybe how maybe I'll drop it completely and and you know focused on something else instead generally right yeah and I think I think another way to answer. That question is like if you if you're at the point where the two day rule has now taken the form of you do do this thing every other day because you're just always using that today rule and when you do have to do it to keep the quote. Unquote Street going you're kind of miserable and you're dreading it like if you can look at your calendar and you see it's every other day as a as a as a day and everything else isn't. I think that's when it's time I'm to say is this. Is this real serving anymore or do. I actually need a real break from this so not to say we throw that out but I think I think that's probably a way to just just do it mindfully and consider that it is that it is I when I watched that video and thinking back on the conversation. We've had about your version of today. I kept asking myself lake. What happens if you just start doing it every other day like is that any better. I mean 'cause I had played the drums every other day and I kept a whole lot of practicing over the past few years that I didn't so it's not like would wouldn't be working. I just I just I just wonder. If would we want it to would you want yeah so anyway. I I think and this is something that I've only gotten with time and never actually implemented by the way but I feel like when you leave something off like what will be nice about having a system like that. That's kind of operating is when you decide. I'm actually going to stop doing this today. Will you actually noticed then that you're making the conscious choice to stop it whereas I mean I hope so I think you whereas like daily haven't kind of things where you missed one Sunday and then suddenly you just don't the next day's not as interesting to do and then you then forty. You've you've forgotten about it like that was really a conscious choice to stop and then because of that. I I think it leads at least for me. It leads into long periods away from that activity without really meaning to be away from that just kind of stopped feeling like sort of lost that motivation and but that wasn't a deliberate like I'm not going to do this anymore so I think if you were operating under this sort of thing you had you were keeping track and you would never missing twice and and then you decided I gotta take a actual breaks this. It just seems like a Google calendar reminder or something a month or two weeks that says hey. Do you want to get back on this and try this again. That might be really nice because then maybe you back after one month of break time or at least you start thinking so in your case starts seeing races and just start giving that motivation chance to come back without having to wait six months for to come back so I don't know just that's one way perhaps to modify that that would that okay good. So what else would consistency doug super important right we I mean we didn't say why but like when we talk about forming habits and all the whole point is that you do something day in day out because nobody knew and smart change of their marathon over a weekend or or like in in two weeks and just cram it all in so much easier on your body and mind and everything else is to just graduate day in day out some something much Miller and and that's how you make actual progress the progress like where you can't really see a difference day today. That's the kind that actually adds up to being whole anything that is much much larger. Isn't that where these crazy workouts crazy. Training sessions disrupts your entire life. Those things typically don't last or they last for a month two months and then soon enough they're forgotten and they don't actually impact your fitness or moving towards a goal so consistency small little actions. You know that add up to something huge. That's that's really I think the theme of achieving goals it's a lot of books have been written about it. the compound effect by Darren hardy popular one very good. there are others. There's another one that's basically the same book forget an infant anyway. There's consistency BACCARAT. Yeah Yeah the dip yeah the dip. Should we talk about the dip. Why don't we why don't we pause for a second think sponsored and come back with a little wrap up here. Let's let's do that Doug. You know how I'm always saying that. I'm GonNa live forever right that it does my one of my call to be returned because in my logic recently that if you can make it to eighty or ninety by that point surely they will they will have the technology that will get us to two two hundred hundred or three hundred and then if you can get there then within just a few years after your your one hundred one hundred fifty. They'RE GONNA have getting to be a thousand and then afterwards the death anymore so with that in mind. 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I had iron zinc selenium vitamin K to those come to mind as things vegans probably should be supplemented with. I don't WanNa see that all should but people like me who think about this stuff a lot often do the research and land on you know come to the conclusion that we should be many with those things so that is what we're complement plus came from. It's a Vegan capsule that includes all of those things and doesn't include anything else because Doug. I'm not a huge fan of taking multivitamins. We get all this good stuff from our food. So why would we want to be getting more vitamin C. In our diet than nature intended for us so it's those things without all the Oh stuff that you don't need all in one pill could be and what's great about it is that you can get all that protection for just round dollar a day. You can get all the details and decide of common. The plus is right for you at dot com slash smarter. That's no method dot com slash smarter duck. Yep We're back. We're back before we get to the dip. I want to motivate that with something else. We've talked about consistency as as a a means to achieving goals as sort of the the way to make lots of progress towards something without completely burn yourself out and it being lots of little small steps that added something. We haven't talked about what what happens like. What else happens as a result of consistency because it doesn't just just get you practising or get you working out or get you eating well? There's something else that seems to happen when you just show up day after day for day and books have been written about this such as pro that were both fans of the artist's way. Stephen Press field has two others and about the same basic ideas but but those are really good books and Seth Godin has written about the same thing before as well with Stephen Prescott when he talks about it in the artist's way and turning pro he takes a little bit more of like a I don't know esatern spiritual sort of view of it and it's like when you start showing up and he's speaking typically in the context of writing art but when you start showing up every day to do your art at a certain time do you're writing to your work. Sit Down but in the chair at this exact time that's when the Muse start to show up and he says this is when the you may feel like you're the writer and you just can't get any year that blank page and you can't get any work done and most writers. Unfortunately I think are this way. They just procrastinating procrastinate. I think we talked about this last week about the novel writer never actually does anything we did but his argument is that when you start showing up even if you've still got nothing to write you just read a bunch of garbage for half an hour and then throw throat immediately in the trash can and then you do that again. The next day and again the next day he said eventually the Muse starts to notice and starts to show up and this creativity creativity just begins to happen because again because the Mu sees that you're serious about the professional. Mba Seth Godin has written several blog posts about the same idea He's a great example because of his his. He's like a marketing author but rights also about. I guess you'd be generally call it art he he's not short little blog post usually pretty short every single day for who knows how many years I mean it's how he built his brand and how he became who he is he just writes little blog post. He writes them often in advance. A good blog of them had these can just publish it you know he doesn't he could take a day off and his blog will not stop because he's written things in advance but he says when your mindset becomes every single bay. What am I going to write about for tomorrow that it just changes everything. That's his thing when you if you want to get started with something and when I went to spend a week in his office he gave us advice it was for but he said the challenge I would make to you is go right something every single day because when you do that it completely changes the way you start thinking right the every single day mentality. It changes it from just like well I'm going to I'm going to write about something when I noticed that something is interesting worth writing which typically if that's your mindset doesn't really happened very much. Nothing actually comes up when it becomes. I have to write something every single day so that every day I'm on the lookout for what that thing is going to be that really changes that whole conversation station in your head about writing and when is it worth sitting down to write it. Just it just changes your thinking changes your start to see differently and that's that's that's sort of magic that I think comes from an every single day mentality for me consistency and so like as we've shifted no matthew like. I did that for the first. I think we'll probably two months. Let's because I had heard that. If you write that every single day for two months then search engines will start to notice you and I think maybe less true now than it was ten years ago but that was like my challenge myself and I think I wrote a uh-huh oppose every single day. I don't know if I missed one but I'm pretty sure that I didn't for they were garbage. They were just what a for breakfast that day and whatever else but did a day in day a out and like you get into a rhythm and then it's pretty easy to do that but once you start writing only once per week it became really easy for that to become once every two weeks and then once a month and like much much easier easier to slide back when you lose that that every single day mentality yeah I mean. I think that that's what's the what's the philosophy on how many days it takes to form how like forty five here so many different ones. That's it's always in that range now. It used to be like seven seven or twenty one now. Now you always your forty or sixty forty or sixty and I think that like that regardless of whether that works how true that is. I think think that type of mentality is huge for You know I mean just like what you're what you're saying that it just doing something every single day no matter what even if it's just for a few minutes a day you know there's blockbuster that I mean he I mean who knows maybe they take a while because he spent a lot of time on every single word but a lot of them are hundred words right and in theory shouldn't take that long you know but he's sitting down and doing it every single day and I think that that kind of consistency it. It's it's very incredibly valuable to to figuring out on learning. I know we talked about this recently to if I think I think probably last week actually about how you don't what it was about the post but basically you're not you're. You're not good when you start out no matter how good you are no matter how what you're doing and and so whether that's running whether that's eating well with that's meditation. Whatever you know those those first weeks months maybe even years are all this steep learning period and the more you can do it in the more frequent you're doing. It can't personally you're doing it. The better results are GONNA have better. It's GonNa that habits GonNa Form for you yeah if you knew it something and you do it every single day and the with the competition or everybody else. Does it once a week then you speed through that period. Were you suck like a lot faster than everybody else does because you're doing it. Seven Times is often some lot of good things. Come from it again today. Rule is like maybe I don't know I don't know what's Ather seem impressed would say about the two day rule. Can the arts show up every other day or miss here and there and have the muse still show up or is there something that you know the thing that we talk about that perfectionist attitude of the thing that makes every single day so hard and you know risky potentially because if you missed once then then you're off is that lost when you is the magic that comes from is that what's what the magic itself to that the fact that it's so hard to have that every single day mentality do you can get that magic when you have the two day rule happening when when you missing something but I would imagine I think it's I think it's more practical thing and you probably not too many downsides. Yeah yeah so I mean so the last is kind of thing I think we would want to talk about was the depth and we talked about this a little bit in the context of the seasons of life and kind of going through a larger depth that you might be taking months off of two months away from but on a smaller scale and this is where I think consistency you know just the the kind of forced consistency can really be the beneficial is that you know say you're fired up for getting back into training or you're talking about with meditation challenge like fired up to get going those feeling really good and then all of a sudden it wasn't and you're just less motivated. Maybe you're just tired and don't feel like doing it or going. Through a phase where you're not getting the results that you were hoping for and you've been out for a number of weeks this that's kind of the dip and I think everyone experiences it with every new habit and even with habits they've had for a long time. You're GonNa go through phases and depths and so what do you do at that point. When you really don't WanNa do something and for me I mean this is. This is where like the running streak has been wildly beneficial in the past because it's a force consistency that I've determined. I've set myself up for to do something and kind of made rule that I that I do it and when I don't do it. That's you know that's not an option not doing it is not an option so I've kind of forced myself to do it because usually when when you hit that dip. You're almost guaranteed to come out of it. Yes I think I think we should clarify that. When we talk about the dip we are talking about what it's sort of a phenomenon that happens when you're starting something new and that's something new. I think could be restarting something. You've done before but just to be clear. I don't and I don't think you'd either I don't. I don't think of what you said about Iran one hundred miles and then suddenly you're training is kind of your flailing in your training since then because you don't have unusual that's not the dip anymore right that. That's you feeling unmotivated because you've achieved what you WANNA do. You've been at this for a really long time and you're just in need of break this idea so that's not that's not the same the dip that happens like you describe it the meditation thing where you're starting something new. Maybe it's something you've done before but you are. You're restarting at it and there's this initial Joel Energy and motivation around something new. There's often initial positive feedback because it is new and if it's a meditation is not something Ma- maybe mega so you can do it as a skill skill. There are things where there's they're more clearly skill and you really get better at it and their goal is to get better at it. We're meditation sort of sometimes escapes. Some of those things that people say like well. You shouldn't try to get better at it. You just do it right but let's talk about things. We're like you actually do try to get better. Those you get some great feedback in the first two or four or six weeks just because you're improving so rapidly and then you hit a plateau when it's not so easy to get better anymore and that's when that tip would begin to happen. It has also in new projects like we've talked about with. I just missed the broncos and how I wrote made that rule that I was writing for the first sixty days. It's like you after seven days a week three seventy two weeks three weeks. There's this point when you haven't haven't been doing it long enough to get what you were seeking in my case. I said if I do this for a long time. I'll start to get traffic from the search engines because they'll actually see it but that doesn't come after two weeks and and you don't really have any sign of it happening so that's where the dip happens. The initial motivation has worn off. It's not that easy to do it anymore. But you're still not getting the positive benefits that you that you wanted to come from and I was getting lots of other ones and that's why it was easy for me to push through it. But what else was this commitment to doing this thing every single day hey. I think I said sixty days and that was what I was set out to do. So the dip of course is a book by Seth Godin who we just mentioned. It's a very short book. I actually read it Doug Doc at a crucial point when we were deciding what to do with this podcast. I think it was two thousand fourteen. Maybe and we had you know not really starting something new but we had plateaued and it was was felt like just not that funny more and what's said about the dip is the way you handle it. Is You decided to beginning either. You'RE NOT GONNA start a project at all or you're going to see it through and get past the part where it's because that dip is inevitably never going to happen so he says when you start something when you know it's going to happen because it does with everything and then you start and then you quit when it happens. He said you've just wasted the the amount of time that you spent doing until it happened. He'd been you know what's GonNa come along. If you're gonNA quit during the day than just don't start your thing so either decide. You're not gonNA start at all or decide. Whatever rules need to go in place that you're going to do it for a month two months or whatever it takes you to get through that period so this is not exactly exactly what happened with our podcast because we've been doing it for a long time. It was off the ground but we got to the point where the decision was either way. Better start actually being consistent and start doing weekly cle- episodes speaking of consistency though we've we've done. We've been pretty consistent with it but that was the choice then we said. We're GONNA actually really be consistent with this not do an episode every two months we we're doing it one point or or stop doing it and very often that is the solution. I think we did Nipson once about this poker analogy and poker there. There are many situations where you either fold or you raise but the just the kind of middle ground call just kinda hanging. That's the wrong decision where either fold raise either either one of those could be the right decision but the the one where you just sort of hanging there is is not there are lots of reasons for that is the case and that I think is the case with a lot of work projects to it's either you give give it up or you actually really go for it just sort of keep muddling along and doing an episode every two months. That's rarely because that doesn't do any good so anyway. I don't think they're really secrets. You can meet his book. It's very short. I read it during that weekend went away and we're trying to figure out what to do with the podcast and many other things but that's the solution is you you decide not to start or you decide that you're going to get through it no matter what and then put whatever in place whatever streak whatever to whoever thing you need that you say this goes on for two months or whatever amount of time an only after that do. I allow us to really stop and be okay with that knowing that it wasn't the dip made made me stop but the fact that I learned enough about this thing to decide. It wasn't worth it yet so there we go there. We go flip phone tap. One of my favorites the dip I don't like it. It's good. It's great to me because it's so easy to he. He gave it a name phenomenon. That happens all the time with all these habits and it's so smart. Why why would you start if you're just GONNA stop at that point which is when everybody's APPs things yeah. That's a good point yeah and it's it's it's like is like you said it's a phenomenon that happens to everyone with every new thing that they do and that's where most people quit. That's what makes you makes you. It's such a bad ass when you get through the tests right because as bad as we show up we can and we go out sometimes with a play or some break but is life. That's fine there with defined Comeback Times. You're not just we're gonNA stop indefinitely and then when we feel like it we'll get back to not saying we're we're good for having and done that it just it just that we just a PI system and it actually has made us work which is good because they're not many things that I'm consistent about this. We actually are pretty consistent about we are okay. You're also going a little bit longer than we intend with her. Yeah we always like this is going to be a short one and keep it around thirty minutes and forty five minutes later well what do because that preamble conversation that we do people people. I appreciate consistency of people getting through that preamble and getting to like it. That's that's the problem. New Listeners don't like that because they don't know Oh this is I think I think there are many who say that's what they listen for but yet who knows anyway that's enough but there was a to to share their story Wednesday review. No there was there was a discussion going on in the pulse community about whether you're a doug or a mat like like people were podcast listeners. What was the what was what was the difference. I don't know I mean a Doug outdoorsy beard. Guy Yeah I mean I think that like Democrat what else else though like like really focused on health like that food choices and stuff. I don't know I don't know I didn't I honestly I avoid reading too. Far didn't quite feel right all right good well. Let's wrap it up. Thanks for listening everyone yes next week. We will be consistency with a replay episode. Actually you know I'll be away. Oh Gosh thank you but then we back. That's consistency yeah. Don't miss twice yeah all right all right

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4 Reasons Your Ultramarathon is Closer than You Think [Rewind]

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4 Reasons Your Ultramarathon is Closer than You Think [Rewind]

"This episode of nomad ethic radio is brought to you by woop. The performance tool. That is changing the way people track their fitness and optimize their training through a wrist worn heart rate, monitor that provides analytics and insights on recovery, strain and sleep. Learn more in dot com. That's W H O O P dot com and use code no meat at checkout. A fifteen percent. Hi, this is help Kareem. Hi, this is Katie from Washington DC near less. No meat radio. Here that Doug. Fairly. What was that? Shot that was the gun. Jeff from you race. Oh. From your race. A better start running. Then I know really, well, it's an ultra. So you can relax pace conversational pace. Which actually not a bad. Yeah. You could you could record remote a whole podcast during trophy really wanted. Would if we live stream the whole thing. Yeah. Right or or forty minutes of it, my better, but. Anyway, figure do a little what you do for my crews each year. The every shit because we were doing this recorded this head of time before Doug's has run his race. And we'll go live after duck has run his race. So it says if he's running his race over recording. That's the idea the magic of the internet. And I will also be on spring break next week when we would normally record with my kids and wife down visiting my mom so easier to record now, then then and also easier to put up a best of episode then to make a brand new one. But anyway, it is at least along the theme that that were going for right? That's right alter marathons. Yes. And for those who don't know tell the nice people what you are doing as we record this as we speak right now. I am you may be able to hear my feet pitcher pattern. But you probably can't because I'm so soft at my my cadences so tender and soft. I am running the hell bender one hundred which is a hundred mile air in North Carolina. That is billed as one of the toughest or maybe the toughest and in the east coast as far as ovation gained goes like twenty eight thousand feet of climbing. And it. It's one I ran last year. So if you if you're a long-time listener of the podcast, you can you may have heard me talk about it. I'm sure you've heard me talk about it before we have a whole recap episode of the whole recap episode. Yeah. So someone could go back and someone go back in let's do it. And then listen to you next week's episodes. Well, talked about again, just get tons of hell vendor conversation. No. But yeah. So I'm excited. It's it's this is the only time this week my fifth one hundred mile attempt. The last four have been successful, thankfully, but he knows about this one and even four housing unit. Three yet. I know I've done I've done. Well, if you include the twenty four hour where? I did I started with and then I did thunder rock. Forgot that one in Tennessee in or added mess Newton. And then I did the twenty four hour bike mountain monster. And then I did thunder rock, and then I did help under a nomin doing helper noggin. Gotcha. So we talked last week about the expert problem. Would you say you're no longer able to give good ultramarathons advice to begin? No. I would not say that. I would not say that no ultra ultra is like one of those things that I mean, I mean, I guess you could say this about everything where the more you do it the more. You learn of course, but. I've five races. Certain certainly makes me no long-term expert. Right. I mean, I'm still having to have done this in a year. And so having to kind of go back and rethink everything and get back into the mindset of of what it's going to be like, you know, and try to picture myself during the race, which you so it's not like, I'm just towing the line having not thought about the race at also. And that even goes with fifty case. Well, I don't stress about fifty cases. Like I used to. You know, there's still it's still a long way to run and you still have to be prepared mentally physically emotionally for for being out there for so long. Yeah. But I think a lot of that. I mean, I'm sure all hobbies are this way or many of them. But I do think there is a wisdom that comes with with doing it more that you just every time you just do what you just less than via lot, especially the first few that risk of just. Total terrible day because. Yeah, you know, completely ran the wrong pays or just made it designed you just you get a lot smarter about the decisions you make and how you handle yourself in certain situations. And I mean, you just like in you more than anything. I think is that you gain confidence that you can do it and that you can get through the like really crappy low points. And then if you just keep going you'll come out the other end and you'll probably bounce back. And you gain some confidence in that. And that's actually what what went wrong with me. At hoping to last year was I fell apart mile eighty and never was able to kind of get my head back on street. So I mean I finished, but it's just it was like a miserable twenty miles which is it was like five or six hours. You know me walking. Yeah. It took it took altered running for me to learn that as well. I think I don't know when I know we've said this before you, and I've talked about this. But I don't know when it was that when I was a marathoner. I I just thought if you if you messed up, and you went out to fast, and you crashed that was into your day. Right. You then limped to the finish line or whatever it takes to finish. And you beat yourself up, and then you're done and your day was was you messed up and that happened to me several times, but then with ultra running like there's time to do that. And then you actually have enough time to start feeling better again. And then you can come back and run again, which I think is. It's definitely unique to alter and there's not that kind of time really in a marathon. But gives you that opportunity to learn that lesson about yourself. You think you're done? You're actually not which then goes back to that that I think it's David Goggin, Dave. And I think what he says is that most of us think we're finished at about forty percent of what the actual effort. We have in the tank, which I think may became from his his whatever. Whatever military navy seals all that background not just altruistic. But I like the I spy what I hear that. I think it's it's interesting how much untapped there. Is that most of will never tap or need to. But when you do so like, this you can on you have opportunities to discover it. Yeah. Definitely. I think that's pretty cool. And I think you can discover that, you know, fifty eight you know, you can discover that one hundred mile or or beyond, but you mean, nothing it takes running one hundred miles to necessarily begin. No definite. I think I think I learned it in fifty game, actually. Because it's three or four more hours. You're out there potentially. And that's a lot more time to. Yeah. Anyway, good any got your crew sheets all made them sheets. Earl made up got this from Matt Frazier. The one and only after his and I got it from Brian. You got it from Brian Powell the one who we had on our podcast. Yeah. Like notes for each of the stations and got all my food organized and gear organized it's gonna there's like ninety percent chance of thunderstorms both tomorrow and Saturday. So it's nice. I'm expecting some rain and got multiple pairs of shoes and get it all got it all figured out. I hope you know. I can't I can't blame the gear if something goes wrong. But you can't blame your crew of some like. Dang it. Mom. It's definitely. Do you have a crew sheet note that says that ask you if you're p is red or though I didn't talk about in crucial nets? Now, should that's that's I mean, that's. That should be. I might have had a questions you should ask them. He had to go ahead. And eventually it was things. Like, did you are you peeing and have you done different bodily functions? But that one I mean, you doing a hilly one. That's that's a particular fear. Right. That that you get the adrenal know that none of you. They is it Reno's renal failure where your kidneys fail on you. And then you start paying you. And I had that one time. I remember that. Right. So you your should I had there's a couple of minutes in there that are like no matter what make me applied lube. So like things that are like certain sock changes at certain places where like no matter. What even if I say fine? Make me do it. Wow. It's kind of like. From Greek mythology you tied himself to this chip wouldn't let when he goes by the sirens. You wouldn't let us crew. It's a big move does. Well, I mean, it's like little things. So it's like. It. It's one of those things that especially for me. And I don't know. Do you have you ever had chafing issues? Are you Chafer? Yeah. If I don't put this up on then I'll I'll definitely yeah. And it's one it's one of those things that like sometimes you get like little irritation, and you're like, it's not that bad or or you. You're just not feeling anything yet. But you haven't applied any for awhile. And then all of a sudden, you're like an hour and a half away from an aid station and just it's like, it's like all of everything. And you're like, oh my God. I think what only now. And by the time, you can apply it it's too late. So there are certain things that just I feel very strongly. If I want to stay on top of certain issues than I've gotta do it. Even if I don't feel like need to. Yes. And when you said all of everything you reminded me of our first episode that ever got the explicit. Before Russell, Steven. I always meant to that. Russell Simmons episode. Just the fact that we had him. And I know he's had he's had little history since then, but it just seems like such a nod gas rose to so I like that we did. Though, the infamous poison Ivy episode where I talked about private areas for an hour and a half it goes into that one. If you if you're interested in Doug. That was so ventures. It gives me it makes me cringe about it. All right. Well, though, we should get to our replay episode before we do though we should we should mention that this episode of romantic radio is brought to you by whoop performance tool. That is changing the way people track their, fitness and demise their trail. You know, what I was thinking about loop. What if I founded roof, and I don't know what they did. But if I'd found it founded whoop, then like, especially during the early days when you're just making a couple of sales or like getting partnerships, whatever every time I'd make a sale I would have like a button that you push. And it goes. This question. 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I mean, the sick thing it's just appears to be effective life of having children as they just they just bring sickness into the house they attracted because they fight it very well. And you know, that's that's what happened. So it's good. We've got linked. I feel like all all winter. Somebody's halfway sick. But never never had anybody really shake. That's kind of the good thing. That's we don't we don't have to go get anybody out very often, or you know, miss school. They're just always little things. So do you think do you think your kids being begins helps them? I mean, I am so hesitant to come out and say that I just I just don't have any scientific reason. But it is I don't know how often normal kids get sick. I don't know if we weren't talking to millions of people would you would you say, I don't think talking to millions of people. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I have no idea. They I feel like we go to the doctor far less than than people who I talked to went out about their kids going to the doctors and going on antibodies. But could that could just be the our personal approaches to kind of let things he'll on their own. Then not rush to the doctor. Not rush the antibiotics I have no idea if if the diet and to do with that or not I'd like to think that it does. But I'm not willing to go on record and say, this is what's happening. Okay. Fair enough fair. So anyway, we're talking alternate today, which you just did one not that long ago. Right. Yeah. What two weeks ago forty mile or can we count forty miles an ultrasound. Doug, I don't really know. Again, I think that's significantly enough. I when I when I was getting into ultra running the people who I was with and this is this is a long time ago now, so even running is very different. Now, they were saying they would say things like you haven't run a real alternative on one hundred mile which I just had such a hard time believing. And I never did by that. But I just couldn't leave people said that this was like the the grizzled veterans who who would say if not one hundred miles in it sounded real entre and ill and if you don't finish under twenty four hours. You also didn't run an ultra. I don't like that at all. I don't either I never heard that. I've never gotten that. No. I've never gotten that kind of feedback from anybody. I think of I think in general people encouraging anybody to do a fifty K or anything. So of course, I mean, certainly one hundred dollars badge of honor without a doubt. And then the twenty four hours kind of the sub twenty four hours kind of the if you did that then that's something to brag about that's like really one of the very few times, you know. You know, things in this part of what we're going to talk about today. But you know, one of the very few things that people want to brag about their time as they go sub twenty four. Yeah. I think you're right about that. I mean in my limited experience with fifty miles. I think I did two of them. And I did a twelve hour as that. I got a little over fifty people. No one really cared about that. Right. There was no no big like breaking the twelve hour barrier. Breaking the ten hour barrier in fifty. But for some reason we need to one hundred and it's twenty four just because twenty four is twenty four. So yeah. Yeah. Hundred miles in a day is that right? And then a lot of ultras will do a lot of hundred dollars. We'll do different belt buckles for sub twenty four versus right, right or twenty four. But but I think that that's changing a little bit because in part because of movies like the Barkley marathons documentary, and that kind of thing we're we're now when when I say that I run one hundred mile race. You know, they're always all the only thing that most people can understand this Barclays, which is what they watch this little documentary about. Thinking about this here like the one person the running community. Wow. You should watch Netflix. It's about, you know, do you know, what the Barkley marathons is now? Oh, it's this. It's this race in Tennessee that if I did. If people have finished. It's those loops that are hard to navigate and all that. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a documentary about on Netflix that became like, a definitely broke out of the running culture like the running real. You know, we talk about some being in documentaries is being ones that break out yet. Everybody's seen. This was definitely one of those. And you know, if I say if somehow it comes up today I've run the hundred mile race. Like, that's the only one that they a lot of people know of and and can relate to and so now I think that like twenty four hour thing is shifting a little bit because people are running these harder races. That were twenty four is it might only be a couple of people. If anybody who goes under twenty four has has dog MD done a little video where he watches that movie and. Probably. Yeah. That's probably right. Anyway. Yeah. So that's good. Glad to hear that. I'm surprised actually that that some of the other stuff like that the the western dates documentary on breakable. That was pretty good. Nice went that. I guess maybe that's just not quite as extreme enough to to be get that major attention. I don't know. Yeah. I think that that kind of unfortunately that documentary came in under the before the. Netflix era. Maybe not I don't know. Maybe anyway, I for the record. I felt like I'd run all news, Iran, fifty K. I didn't really buy into any of that stuff. Definitely wanted to to fifty that fifty miles. From me was was like the goal. The reason I was doing fifty K was so that I could eventually do fifty miler. So it didn't feel like I've now done all I wanted to. But but when I did the fifty mile I had no plans to do one hundred. So. The fifty was kind of the goal the whole time. But that fifty K, you know, when I did that I felt like I run an ultra because it took two hours longer than a marathon, maybe more than that. And it was harder. And it was on trails. And it was I got lost. And it was just entirely different things. So yes, see, that's the thing is some people and don't I really don't hear this often. I've heard it from a couple of elites who are elitist themselves. But I really don't I really don't buy the whole any that. A fifty K is not an ultra marathon. I absolutely think it's an ultra marathon and more than anything gets you into this all on mindset, which I think we're going to discuss a little bit today. But where you know, where you're going on trails. It's takes so much longer. You have to really change the way you're eating and pacing yourself and all these things and and it's just a totally different race than marathon. And it's it's treated as it's treated differently in this should be admired as being something different than than right? But our assertion in name. This podcast episode is basically why you're while you're marathon is closer than you think. Although it is a very very different experience. And although it's something a big accomplishment that you need to be proud of you should be proud of. Because you can't just go out there and do you could. But it would be painful. Just because it's closer than you think. And it's maybe within reach an achievable. That's not to take away from it and say, it's easy. It's still requires a lot of. Nudged training, and I'm just like the actual putting in the time and getting yourself up to those more comfortable with those longer mileages. But also, it's a different kind of skill set. I think in your head in a different mindset, which we're going to talk about. But I think that I think sort of the paradox is although requires all this different stuff. And that makes it difficult in an accomplishment to be proud of that. It's for me that was really quite pleasant to learn and do like, I just feel like I don't know even the first fifty mile that training for the first fifty mile that I did and the race day experience. And you know, the whole the whole six months leading up to it was just a much more pleasant thing than the six months than a year before that when I was trying to qualify for Boston. And like how that training went like when I think about all training. It was just long slow miles where I had had phones on and I was listening to stuff, and I found it really nice. And I look forward to my runs, and it was great compared to that that Boston was all the speed work and all these really hard temple runs. Not to say that I didn't get a lot out of those and looking back really enjoy that process. But like the. That was really hard work that was much different from ultra which didn't honestly feel like hard work. It felt like just kind of had it having the dedication and disciplined to getting out there and running far every day. But it didn't feel like suffering the way that you know. Honestly, a lot of the marathon training Dutt's. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's interesting questions like. Does do most people does anyone really have fun training for a marathon? Right. Well, I mean, I'm sure that some people in a in a lot of people will enjoy the experience. Right. I mean, you know, setting the goal. Having the discipline going out there day after day and then running the race like that as an experience that is something very enjoyable, and you can learn a lot by yourself and take a lot from that. But how like those workouts? I for me. Anyway, they just they're just not fun, whereas my ultra workouts where running trails where I'm having these kind of big fund as in the mountains where you know, where I can listen to an audio book or a podcast or or run with friends and run in a conversational pace. Basically the entire time where we can talk and hang out the whole time like to me. That's a lot more fun. Right. Right. So we're kind of making the assumption here that you don't do speed work for altered running, and you have to do it for Maryland training, which isn't totally fair right there. Oh, not at all tiny, ultra coaches in runners who think that speedwork is an important part of it. I would say it's not universal. But but not too far from universal that you you can do less. Speedwork for altered running or need to do less or there's less benefit than there is for trying to run a fast marathon and fast half marathon. But but I think there's even even with even taking that out of it. Right. It's still I found that so much more pleasant to train for ultras than marathons because when I think about training for that first marathon, I'm not like getting up to to sixteen and eighteen and twenty miles. It just always felt like a struggle because even though it wasn't a speed workout. It was a long run. It was the opposite of a speed workout. There was still this time thing in the back of my head. That said I gotta keep an eye on my watch. And I gotta make sure I'm not more than whatever I was trying to do one minute off of my goal race pace. Or, you know, whatever the actual amount wasn't at vary depending on what kind of training program, I was doing. But there was always this urgency with that like I had to make sure I hurried up, and I better not have surprise have to go to the bathroom in the middle of the run because that would cost me three minutes, and I would never get back. And like, I so I think when I say more pleasant like I just found it. Ultra once that whole time thing is entirely out the window maybe up until the point when you're trying to run twenty four hours in one hundred. It's just not even you don't even think about so you just go out and just run. And then to me that kind of change the whole thing. Like, suddenly, there's there's no feeling of being watched over by the clock. Right. Like, what did you need to make sure you're on pace, and it just gone, and you can just go out there, and relax, and like totally lose yourself in whatever you're listening to or thinking about and for me. That's that's kind of what encapsulates the different minds at that. There is around entreprenuering versus marathon, trading or even half marathon training. But there are lots of other really specific examples that, you know, things that come as a result of that like the walking the hills idea, which probably the second most the thing that most jumps out of me. You know before the hills. I I do I think it'd be doing oh my coaching clients and in a disservice here by completely not completely writing off timing because. A lot of people do have time goals still a lot looser, of course. But they might have some sort of time going, and I think that that's that's totally fine. If you want to bring that into an ultra when it's your very first race, if you're new to a fifty K or fifty miler or if you're neutral, even of course, then it becomes more much more about finishing the race than than anything else. Whereas if you if you were. Able to easily run ten miles than a half marathon or something like that wouldn't be so much about finishing the race. You'd probably be going for a goal time. Right. And. For beginners. That's that is perfect or for or casual runner. That's perfect. I do think that if you want to improve and get faster than there is going to be a little bit of speedwork if you want to be more competitive or anything like that. Of course, there's going to be some speedwork in there. But for your average, mid Packer who's running one or two ultra Sagir or just running one a one and done type thing. That's where that shift really kind of happens. I yeah, I could buy that. I would add that for me. I never ran all alter on the same course twice. Right. And because there's such variation in courses like you might run ten hour for one place in a twelve hour fifty miles somewhere else, and you might have been more fit for the twelve hour race because it was just that much different. Of course, there's a huge variation in courses. So because that I never had any sort of like preconceived notion of what time I should be running on this. Yeah. Of course, I guess you could compare it and look at how much elevation changes and all that and say, well, then I should do this. If I this one here. Yeah. I mean, you can look at previous years finish times and that kind of stuff, but a perfect example is mile that I'm trained for right now. The last one Iran took me twenty five hours, and I expect this one to take me about seven hours more to to to finish. And that's not because I'm seven hours, we're out of shape. It's because it's going to be at least that much harder. And even if I'm in the best shape of my life, which is was my goal that New Year's for my New Year's resolution to start that raisin best. You have ever been. Then I still think it's gonna take significantly longer to finish because the courses that much more difficult. So it's not about a PR. It's not about really a Finnish time at all. As long as I finished that race. I'm it'd be totally happy. But as I'm kind of planning it out in my head -ticipant it being that much longer. Right. And I'm okay with that. Because it's about the time. Right. And that and that is very different from from drain. I mean because they're with marathons like I always wanted to pick a fast course, because I wouldn't want to go do a marathon that I knew was going to be hard unless it was like a really different one like like the. Pike's peak thing or like just to go do that special marathon and understand that was going to be bad time compared to any other time you marathon. Marathons that I don't know. I was picked fastest possible. Because the point of running a marathon is get the fastest time. You can well the perfect the perfect example is when you tell somebody you when you runner you from the marathon, the very first question, they ask is what your PR what was your time. We've finish time. Whereas when you if you tell your neighbor, by the way, they say how long was the marathon they say, oh, one of those five came here. My twelve year old ran one yesterday. Yeah. But then if you tell an ultra runner that you ran your first ultra then they'll say, oh, which one or if they if you say, you know, I've I just ran hundred mile. They going to hear about the experience. Right. They want to hear about all your your struggles. In what you just all the stories, and although like experience of that race, and and no one really cares about them. You know, it's possible. It might come up. But it's not like you're comparing times against each other and the same way that people do the marathon, right? All right, good. So let's get into some of the specifics about why let's back up our case that the ultra marathon is closer than than you may think if you're a runner. Let's I mention why we're doing this to to spread the word somewhat about this new program that you've put together for us. It is totally free. You can go get it at what's your L go. No, no me. Nothing dot com slash go dash ultra that's right right there alter l'altra. Yeah. And it is it is your ten week ultra-marathon starter kit slash starter plan that Doug if I'm if I'm not mistaken here it it's kind of the debris between if you're a half marathon runner you've done a half marathon, maybe run a marathon. But it's been a long time. Then this is kind of the thing that do that would get you ready to train for fifty miler because I think there's a lot of people. I'll let you correct me if I'm wrong there. But there are a lot of people who we get this question all the time. I'm ready to step up into the ultra world. I've done a marathon. Or I've done a twenty mile trail race. Like, what do I need to know? What's the difference? And that's what this program is just kind of get you in this new used to this different type of miles. You different types of training runs. No speedwork. I don't think. And that's the point is that fair. That's absolutely fair. So and I would say that it's even if you're coming off a half marathon minutes to get you ready for fifty K not just a fifty mile like mentioned. But I didn't mean to the I'm sorry, I meant. Yeah. So if. You know, it's basically is exactly that way to transition your training from from either. Just casual I haven't really been training recently to to getting ready to train for an ultra marathon. Or if you've been doing a ton of speedwork you've been trying to get really fast at a at a half marathon or something like that. Then this is going to kind of shift it towards what ultra-marathon trading looks like if you can get through this then you can start those those fifty K plans or fifty mile plan or something like that. So that's that. That's the point here is to just kind of get you ready to shift your gear or your trading into the into the ultra marathon training, and there is very little speedwork. There's a little bit of hill where there's a little bit of progression runs that kind of thing just to get the lake turnover a little bit. But really it's all about that kind of long slow distance and making sure you can handle the handle the mileage handles the time on your feet. So be hearing this in late winter like when we are. Putting out then then you could you could in theory do this program, and then get started with say a twenty week fifty K program, and you could be running a fifty K by fall. That's exactly right. If we are correct that you're closer to than your ultramarathons. Then you think so our assertion Doug is that if you can run a half marathon, you can run an ultra which is kind of a little bit a little bit. Extreme maybe. Yeah. I mean, it's got your has gone much further and said anyone can run an ultra marathon. I guess he means within reason. I mean, you know, barring certain disabilities or things that would make someone make it impossible. But I don't think I don't think there are too many of those think for the most part, he's probably right? If you really wanna run an ultra marathon most people can probably find a way to get that done given enough time, and assuming you're someone who is able to dedicate yourself to something and delay gratification and put in the work and put it the time. But we, you know, practically speaking if you run a half marathon, I think you're not all that far from fifty K. Yes, it's harder than the marathon. And it probably takes longer for you to train to get there than it would take you to get to ultra to Maryland distance. 'cause I honestly think if you've run a half marathon, even if you've suffered through it like if someone two weeks later said you have to run a marathon today, you could probably slow down by thirty percent and get that done even if it really hurt and not to take any way from what a half marathon is a marathon is, but I just think there's not a major shift of a doubling of the distance. There's not the major change to trail running in this different minds of this required. So what I would ask you to defend here is we sometimes on this podcast specifically in the older days when we talked more about ultramarathons when I was doing the more frequently we were kind of both doing them. And we just talked about them a lot flip. Somebody would come to us and say they really liked listening to us talk about that stuff. But they. I thought we kind of. You know, assumed it was easier than it is for mostly what do that because because we had done it. And because we're not comfortable running this distance that you know, we kind of forgot what it felt like to not be able to do that. And how daunting it seems to get from half marathon up to fifty K? So that is what I would like you to address Doug. If I mean me. I think that's great running coach like that. I remember that very well that first time I ever ran thirteen and then sixteen and eighteen miles like what those felt like an and just how much felt like surely I was going to get injured this next time. I tried to do it because it just felt like so much took so much of me. And I just feel everything hurting I could feel my form suffering by the end of those. So the thought of like how my possibly going to get up to not just a marathon, but up to fifty K and have to think about trails and bigger hills and things like that in different terrain. You know, I can kind of see why someone would say, that's that's crazy. A half marathon. On roads is so much different trauma. Fifty K on trails. How can you say that I can get there, you know, with with a ten week program and then twenty week program say of half a year's worth of work, right? Yeah. Well, you know, so I think that there are there are three big things that kind of I hear, and you might have some more, and I'd like to address those if you hit them as well, but there's three big concerns or doubts that people have when they think about you know, I there's no way I could run and ultra marathon. And so the first one is like, you know, maybe not the type of person who can do that. I don't have that skill set or I don't have that ability to do it. The second one is I don't have the fitness or have never able to get that fitness level. And then the third is maybe it's like the time that it would take to train furniture. I don't have that. So those are the big three I'm gonna I'm going to focus on this conversation. And if you have some others lived here, but so the the first one the type of person, I'm not the type of person who can train for. Notre you have to be an elite person you have to just have some mega fitness, and I would say that is completely false as a big misconception because if you can train for half marathon, then you've proven that you have disciplined, right? You've gone out and started the trading plan, you go out there and get in the workouts. You've proven that you have the ability to struggle through certain long runs. I mean, you maybe the long runs their only ten or eleven miles not only as in. That's not very much, but compared to marathon ultra marathon training that might not be all that long. But but you have the ability to kind of get through that. And those first times you run ten miles. I mean that is a long way it's along, you know, your body's going to fatigue, and it will feel like the Uber long run. And you and you got through it. Right you. So you had the courage and the ability to stick through it. To see it through. And then you know, you had this kind of. You went out there on race day. And you put it in you put in the work, and you got through an ran got to the finish line. Right. So if you can do that if you can do those type of things those three things, then you can take one and tackle and ultra marathon trading plan. You agree with that? I do that. I think I think what what you're kind getting out into when someone says I'm not the person to do that. I think when I used to think about what an ultra runner buzz 'cause I know your second one addresses, fitness, so aside from fitness when I used to think about what altering was. And I think that both of us had the experience where we run marathons and kind of assume that was all there was to do. And then we heard someone tell us about another race. And like thought it was like I remember the first time I heard about one hundred mile race. And I thought it was a mistake. I thought someone had miscommunicated with someone else. And they said this kid that I knew had run hundred miles, and I was not possible because I knew how I felt after a marathon. And I thought you just can't do that four times. So. I think what people think when they think of an ultra marathon runner is they assume that someone who has some superhuman ability to endure pain aside from the fitness. I read this. I've assuming that they're not necessarily of superhuman, fitness. Then it must be some superhuman ability to just endure pain and suffer and just take this beating and not quit. And I think like one of the really cool things about running. Is you get better at that? And you do train that in and like that is that is a very real thing. And I think I think the urge to actually quit for me, even though as the whole training experience and everything was more pleasant the urge to actually quit and just stop in the middle of raises, a I'm just not going to finish today that actually was much greater in the fifty caves, and the fifty dollars that I did didn't happen in the hundred all that much, but it did happen in those other ones so much more than with marathons something that is a very real thing. But I think what what so much of the training process. Does rather than? Necessarily improving your physical, fitness because you could argue that it does in some ways. And in other ways, you neglect some more this some of the speedwork stuff or you can. And so some parts of your physical, fitness. Don't what kind of without a doubt to me does is your ability to endure your ability to not quit. It's not something that you just have. And that makes you an ultra runner. It's something that because you've decided you're going to run an ultra you develop it, it just it just happens as a result of doing longer runs and getting used to spending more time on your feed and getting used to going a little bit further when you feel like it'd be nice to stop now. So certainly, I think you have to endure more you have to maybe put up with a little bit more pain of a different kind than than the half marathon or marathon pain where those I think about a lot of alongs in total body fatigue, whereas ultra running it just gets to the point where it just hurts your legs to keep running at least for me and you badly want to stop. Yeah. But I think I think he learned that. And I think it's it's not that people who do this or somehow different. It's just that they they have kind of taught themselves to not quit and think that's one of the coolest things ultramarathons trading. Does for you yet? I mean, I think that that's an that trans transfers out of the running just get running. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think you're absolutely right. It's all about tackling the training and being able to. To teach yourself that. Because the first time he runs thirteen miles at midnight. I remember very clearly when I was trained for my first marathon. I mean, I remember the exact route and everything when I ran my first thirteen mile long run. And I thought that that was just the wildest thing that I had ever done, you know, and it hurt and he was terrible, and they got done and and. You know, but I was really pleased myself. I was that I had restaurant thirty miles. I couldn't imagine doing it again for another thirteen to make the marathon. But then it just got easier. And I got better at handling the pain. I got better at pacing myself and doing that kind of stuff so that it was less painful, and I get a better not wanting to quit, and as you go throughout the training, and as you hit kind of low points. So in the long run you get better at learning how to manage those. But if you have if you have the ability, and you have the. The desire to train for a half marathon and get through that. Then then you can do you can that can translate to getting through. Yeah. I think that's really important point. Like that makes what we said different from what's got, your, etc. Or making us not have to not have to qualify it with assuming you're the type of person who can who can put off gratification and work towards something. Because if you've done have then you are hip person, right. Just by nature of a half marathon, it it is not easy to do a half marathon. If you haven't trained you have to put in draining for that. And it's not always fun. And that if you have that developed that whatever it is, then then you have what it takes to to eventually run an ultra. Yep. Exactly. Right. So I want to get to move transition over to the next kind of doubt that people have. Yup. And that is fitness, and, you know, and it makes a lot of sense, right? If you have only run a half marathon, or if you run a marathon, and you hear about someone running further than that in the end, you think back on the amount of pain and discomfort. You're in at the last few miles of that half marathon or full marathon, you think that there's absolutely no way I could have kept going as just no I I couldn't build that fitness. I worked really hard during my half marathon or full marathon training. There's just no way that I could build more fitness and go further, right? And that's wrong. You know as surprise we. I think that's wrong. The difference. The big difference is that it's not more fitness. It's a different type of finis right because because you're training, you're running. So. Differently in racing so differently during a trail marathon or tro ultra marathon than you would during a road half marathon or full marathon that it isn't you don't you? Don't get the same type of fatigue. So. If you're if you're pacing to get a PR and a half marathon. Then you're probably running pretty hard. You're you're running. As fast as you can go to sustain yourself for for thirteen miles. And chances are you're going to blow up there in the last couple of miles. Anyway, just gonna have to go and grit the last couple of miles getting them. But for an ultra you're running at a much slower pace you much more conversational much easier pace that your heart rate isn't nearly as taxed your your lungs aren't nearly as tax jer your legs aren't working nearly as hard as far as speed and turnover goes, and you can do that for whole lot longer. And the reason why you do that the reason why you you drop into this kind of conversational this. We like to call it the all day pace pace that you think feel like you could just kind of keep going all day long. The reason why you do that is because then you won't burn out as quickly you won't blow up. Asus. Hit a bunker. Then your least weekly, and it is something that you can sustain for a longer period of time. And what that means is that you are hiking some hills, which is something you brought up earlier. It means that you are maybe going. A lot slower on a downhill than than you could. But you're doing that on purpose. It means that you're taking time at eight stations to eat and drink and stop and kind of gather yourself. Which is completely different than Atta water station at a marathon where you just grab it. And you might even be drinking while you're running. You know, so because you're taking making all these shifts. You're not having debris hard all the time. You're not having your heart rate is staying pretty level in pretty. Not hitting these kind of max heart rate zones, and you're able to go longer. So it's not about morpheus. It's about a different type of this. And. And that's a. Well, I agree with this one hundred percent, the one of the things that that you get a lot that often I will get after like, a talk is someone says what are your tips for for running a hundred and fifty mile as like, how do you possibly get into that? When I feel totally exhausted at the end of the half marathon or marathon. And it just I think he will just have a sensitive as it is impossible. There's something fundamentally different about you. If you can do that as we've been saying this whole time, but the answer I was up. It was like it really wasn't a fitness difference. I think you've probably said it better known by saying that it is a different type of fitness that you developing it. But it's it's not just that same type of fitness that it takes run a marathon developed to a twice as high degree. It's not at all that it's not twice as hard to run a fifty mile race as it is to run a marathon. It's not twice as hard to run one hundred as it is a fifty it just it just takes some something different. And I think a lot of that actually is mental. And that's what we talked him. On earlier is that training yourself to kind of be good at not quitting. And just kind of starting to provide yourself with evidence that you can go further, which I think is so important you mentioned, you know, being exhausted at the end of a half marathon. And therefore, it feels like that's as far as you can go. But if someone told you, you know, the day you were ready to go run your half marathon, if they said, oh, by the way, it turns out the races actually twenty miles. It's not it's not thirteen as planned. So everyone slow your pace down by by twenty percent, or whatever and take a two minute walk break at the end of every single mile like you could do the twenty miles. Even if you're just in shape, you think to run thirteen miles because when you when you drop your pace by that much like, I don't think you just can run twenty percent further like your when you raise man, I think you kind of on the cusp of this zone where if you drop that intensity not that much twenty percent. Maybe you get into a new physiological zone where? Like you said it's kind of the all day pace. And now you can you can go not twenty percent further. But maybe fifty or one hundred percent further just because you you dropped into this much more relaxing zone where it's also way we're enjoyable because you're not in the fight or flight where you're kind of all you can do is focus on running. And when can I stop running, you can actually just relax and enjoy yourself, especially when once you just throw off that urgency of the clock and just let your mind not even thinking about that. And just think about enjoying what you're doing. So that's that's such a huge difference. I know when I remember a hundred mile or my dad was one of the people who helped crew me, and he was amazed at when I finished the first twenty five miles of it. Because it was a crew check in point. I think that maybe that was one of the second time I saw them. He just couldn't believe I had run a marathon at that point. And didn't look like I had really done anything yet. And and that will let the first hit me. I was like, well, that's really true I have and I didn't feel like I was in any real really better shape universally better shape than when I was a marathoner. It just felt like I had learned this new ability to run that amount of distance without really feeling anything. And I think that's just can't really unless you've done it. You can't really grasp or believe that you will get to that point where you could run that far. But that's what that different paces and a lot of it is mental illness and kind of learning the strategy like you said Doug of like walking the hills and with that marathon or was that one hundred mile. I was walking five minutes for every twenty five minutes running from the beginning. That's something. That's so different from what you would do in a marathon. He just do you. Remember, how long that that first marathon took you any idea? I think it was in the in the six hour range because I was at that point. Thinking about twenty four hours for the hundred and all that only went out the window after half that once I hit this major mud section. And then then for a little while wondered if I would finish it all, but I was pretty close to that. So that was different between running a six hour marathon. And then just just to maybe two years before that I had run maybe three hundred for that. I'd run the three tend to get to Boston. So like, that's that's twice as long it took me to do it. And it's no wonder and the fact that I had trained on that. Then no wonder it look like I hadn't really done any work. So the point is you can get to that point. But you don't you. I sort of developed in alertness for like. This really happened with marathons marathons your your heart rate is higher all the time. But I started to develop this this alertness it said like if I'm must be on some gradual hill, not because suddenly I feel like I'm just going to hard and and like alarm bells go off in one hundred mile or fifty mile race. That's a. You really need to get out of this higher heart rate zone because you're just not gonna finish. If you're already getting into that now. So that's something I sort of like developed this ability to just notice when I was working too hard. Whether it was even if it were just hiking up a hill to fast, but noticing that this is too hard. You're not going to build sustain this ten or fifteen hours from now. So yeah. So I use my breath as as a big indicator for me, and for me to be able to see how how hard I'm going and to kind of come back when I need to if I'm if I'm breathing too hard from really just suck it air. Then then I've done something. I've done something wrong. I need to need to cut back, and I need to slow down and check with myself. So. That's kind of just this this gauge that you learn over time. You learn how to manage your effort level in a way that that you can sustain it for a long period of time and advise during a marathon, you're probably breathing pretty hard the most of the time. Right. And to the upside of this just like the upside of running a marathon compared to a five K is that yes, it's a lot longer. But you're a lot more comfortable for most of the race. Right. Like for for on the first eighteen miles. It doesn't really feel like work. And that's how same way with the ultramarathons for the first like eighty percent of that race, it probably shouldn't feel very hard. You're going at such a low intensity you're walking. Even so free believed for certain people. Like, that's what I did that that it isn't that different from if you were to go out in the woods and go hiking, right? Like, it's not hard work and granted hiking can be work, but it's not just a more enjoyable pace. Because the intensity isn't there? They're still going to be that part at the end when it's really hard. Just like there isn't a marathon or hacker. Then you're going to reach the point where like it is very hard. But for most of the race, the vast majority of it, it's even more enjoyable than it is at a marathon or half marathon distance because you're not you're not putting forth that effort you're you just have to keep moving forward. But you can't make let yourself go fast enough to be in discomfort where you won't finish. Right. And when you do hit that hard point, it'll be different. You'll be tired. You. Maybe maybe your legs are tired or something like that. You're bunking because you're out of energy. But it's not this like, oh my gosh. I'm just you know. You know, I cannot have my heart rate is so high, and I just can't I can't fathom taking another step kind of thing. Right. My legs are going to class. But so I do want to I want to mention though that so talk about this different type of fitness. And I I believe that's what's happening. Right. So as you're changing, you're changing your training to more slower paced training more trail, running maybe more hill work, all this kind of stuff. You're going to lose some of the speed. And you're gonna lose some of the. Intensity that you might have gotten from a half marathon or a fool marathon training. And so it wouldn't surprise me at all if you are maybe getting really good at fifty mile races in your. You know, you've run to this year. And you feel like you're in great shape. But then you go and run on marathon. And you and you can't PR at it. You know, and you miss your PR because you've kind of shifted the type of training that you're doing to gain a different type of endurance, a different type of of fitness than than what you had when you were doing, you know, Yasser eight hundreds or something like that on a regular basis. So while while while at the finish does change, and I I guess that's all to say is that it's not double the, fitness, right? It's just a different type of fitness. All right. So as we shift on the time, we should think the conclusion is you don't need to be more fit to run an ultra you just you just you just need to develop a different type of fitness, and it comes at the expense of another type of fitness, but it's not more fitness. And it's not a superhuman God given ability to do it. It's just just like with other running you just develop this level of fitness now. Now, maybe maybe to win those races depending on what level competition it is. Like, certainly there's a limited amount of natural talent. Like, I don't think I will ever win one hundred mile race unless I find one that nobody registered for maybe. But like, you know, like, certainly there's a lot of genetics involved in high before. But as far as like, how far can you actually get yourself to go doesn't really seem like there's a whole lot of genetics is a whole lot of bearing on that it seems like most people can get themselves to go as far as they desire to go. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I don't know if this needs to be clarified or not. But we're not saying that if you just ran a half marathon that you should go out and sign up for an ultra marathon this weekend. Of course, not you. Should I go to know, Matthew dot com slash all dash ultra? And then do and then do a proper training program. Yeah. I hope people understand that we're not saying if you can run half, then you can go now do an ultra. But that if you can run a marathon, you have it in you, you have the ability to train for an ultra and get it done comfortably. All right. So the third third hang up this time. And and this is this is one that I think I didn't quite appreciate until this year as much as a family man now. Is that I don't the people say there's no way I have the time to train for an ultra marathon. And people say that about marathons fuel say that about half marathons anytime that there's something that big you feel like you need to commit to it. Just feels like it'll be such a time suck that you. You can't do it. And so the question is then is does ultra-marathon training. Take up that much more time than marathon trading or half marathon training. And. And I think it does it does take up some more time for sure. Part of what is happening as I guess, the the best example would be math on training, right? Or comparison would be marathon training. Part of what's happening is that you're running slower. So so you're five mile runs might take a little bit longer because your pace drops a little bit. If you're running on trails like you should be doing some of your some of your runs, but it doesn't have to be all of them for sure. If you're running on travel that might take a little bit longer because trail running to take typically drops your pace down onto medically. Then road running. And then the big one though is is the long runs because you're running more long around sometimes backed back long runs where you're doing kind of say to fifteen mile runs on the same weekend on consecutive days. If you're. If you're trying for fifty mile or something like that. Or maybe if you're if you're training for a fifty miler or even a fifty K, you might be doing more more runs that are in the eighteen to twenty four mile range than you would during a marathon training, and certainly of course, more than happening drink. So that's really where the time time suck comes from this kind of your your weekend long run, and you and you should be prepared for that. But as far as like on a weekday basis, it's really not going to be that much more time might be a little bit. But not that much more time because you're runs aren't going to get that much longer. They're they're not that much slower. So it's just a kind of factor in the next twenty minutes here in an extra thirty minutes there something like that. Then then you'll be good. But it's not like you have to be trading for four hours every day five days a week. Right. Yeah. I think this is all very true. And I also acknowledged that it does take longer to train for an ultra marathon. At least the way that I that. I. Done it in the way that I would recommend it. And I think you you do too dug in that you like just said you're focusing more on longer slower distance and less on speed workouts to take thirty five minutes to get done. So like just by the very nature of the type of training, you're focusing on. Now, even if even if we just said, you're still training for a marathon. But now start focusing more on longer slow distance instead of speed workouts, even though it would take a little bit more time. Right. So the fact that that it's a long race and training shifts into this different type pretty much guarantees. It's going to take longer to do that. So I'm glad you with knowledge that Doug. But the part I think people don't quite get and this maybe applies more to a fifty mile race and fifty K. But I think you're sort of in your head think if marathon takes this long to train for then a fifty miler takes twice as long to train. And it's just really not true. I mean, like a lot of this goes back to even the long runs. You mentioned that long ones are one area where it does take more. But I think part of that misconception of taking twice long has to do with the fact that people assume incorrectly that you're long running distances just need to double. And that you're going to be doing thirty five and forty and maybe even up to forty five mile runs in your training for fifty miler. And you're not you don't do anything like that. You most programs is to get up to thirty miles or fifty K or even some people have done like back to back marathons back-back twenties in trying to get ready for the fifty so guess ethic few if you were doing forty mile long runs a training for three months. That would be I wanna talk to you. I wonder I I think that the like common knowledge now or just the general wisdom is you couldn't do that. Because it would just be too hard on your body. So you can't train up to that distance. But like we awhile ago would have said nobody could ever run a marathon every week or every day for fifty days in a row people do that stuff now. So I wonder if at some point bull realize that like that whole limitation that that you couldn't do forty mile training runs, very often that even that isn't true. But who knows maybe we truly do hit a wall where we just can't do much one. Then. Anyway. So yes, maybe maybe instead now your average long run it's hard to talk about average because you start to loan get so high, but like maybe the average long run time or distance for fifty K or fifty miles compared to marathon or half is instead of being I don't know fifteen miles for an average long run. Now, it's twenty miles from Arizona. But all that really means is is that it's an extra hour out of your Saturday. And maybe another half hour extra hour on Sunday. And I'm not trying to argue that that's like, you know, everyone has an extra hour because people honestly, don't and the schedule is just that full often because of kids in responsibilities. But the point I'm trying to make is it's not an extra four hours out of every Saturday to try to him for an ultra compared to a marathon. It just it's just not maybe there's certain Saturday where you're doing your longest run, and it is, but it's not like weekend we out you're adding six hours of commitment compared to that shorter distance on your weekends. So I notice I'm some, you know, an extra hour that I just kind of put into long Runtime meeting instead of being out for for two to three hours on a Saturday morning Niles out three to four hours on Saturday morning, not every time. But but often, and I think that feels a lot longer when you're out there. Like, right. It's it's hard to run that long. Even if it's slower and more pleasant. But if you're going to step back and look at your whole weekend like assuming that that you have that time to spend the difference of an hour or two isn't as big as it seems when you're actually running it right to me, if you're running that long bills, you out there all day feels like my whole Saturday, I'm running, but it turns out your action. Yeah. I mean, if you start at seven or start early and then your home by eleven for lunch. Yeah. I I was my weekend or might my weekday runs. I should change a lot when I especially for the hundred. You know because we bears on training. I would do like a three to four mile run for my typical easy weekday run and then for the hundred mile of that became a seven mile run. But as I said, it was it was slower. And and it was I would listen to things and I would make related use of that time. And I really enjoy that time. So not everyone has that time and just because I was able to squeeze into seven mile run every day that everyone else should be able to do that too. I know some people can't. But it just not that much more time. You're of course, you're committing to something bigger and it takes longer, but that's one hundred mile race from talking about that. I think that things shift a little bit for the hundred mile. We're not really going down that route. Right. So. There you go. There you go to a taste more time. But not that much more time, and you could be strategic. So. Eight hundred training, but right now for the center mile that I'm training for you know. You know, I'm being really strategic with with where my my extra long runs are and how planned them out. And so that. Their own weekends like this weekend. A big trading run that we'll take all day and cover a lot of distance. But Katie and allows me out of town. So you know, I was able to kind of schedule it around the day that I was able to commit more time to them. Yeah. So I guess people might have the objection. That's like like, I just don't have an hour days come running. And I don't I don't know what the answer is that. But I mean, if that's true, then you probably don't have forty five minutes or forty minutes to get running for a marathoner, happier. But people do all kinds of things and one of the things I kind of learned that it took running on all tra-, by the way, I have another common objection that I think you will agree is common. But. Related to this. What I what I learned with all was like a lot of times we do night runs. Like with the group. I was training with we would go and and not the run Windstar till six o'clock. And then we'd it'd be dark because it'd be wintertime and we'd run and it would take an hour and a half, and it'd be pitched back by the time we were done, but even pretty dark for the majority of it. And after I did that I suddenly realized that you could actually run at nighttime if you wanted to or early in the morning when it starts like that had just not been part of my consciousness before that. I didn't realize you could do that with marathon draining. I assumed you had to run during the daylight hours. And I kind of realized that you don't you could have a headlamp you could obviously you may not want to go to trail at nighttime all the time by yourself. But with the headline then with proper safety precautions you could get you run in before everybody's awake. Or after everybody's asleep in your house. Granted it's still time. It means less sleep for you so much saying that it's a perfect solution. But it it is a way around that problem if I just don't have daylight hours to run because it's all taken soccer practices in billion other things. Yeah. Absolutely. I had a head limit three times a week now headlamp three times all morning two in the morning on a night. Wow. Look at you. Where do you go? Where do you go? Pretty lot actually. The objection that I think that you you sort of skipped over here, or at least just Nick up is probably because it's so common is the sense of people don't know how to run trails for me that was that was the big one. You know, I just I had spent so much time with the with the marathon training and focus on that so hard and never did. I do a trail on any part of that. Maybe maybe once I had gone to a trail, and it didn't work because I don't know. I hit a river that I didn't know there was there and didn't even know you could just run through the river because that's supposed to do with trail running, but stopped and my long everyone because I had planned out this route that required me to Cross River. So I swore off to running out to that. And said, I'm not doing it and got it in my head that it was this major hurdle to overcome. I wanted to get into ultra running. And then one time went to a group run a group trail around the first time I've ever done it with the same group mentioned and and just loved it. And it was just so much fun. It's not that different. You have to lift your feet up higher. There are certain etiquette things you kind of do and look out for I learned that you just run right through the rivers if they're not dangerous to do that. And it was really fun. And you get dirty and you bring a towel to the run because you're going to be really muddy when you're done. But like once you just kind of accept that and embrace. It was this for me. At least it was this totally new way of looking at running that that like just kind reignited this interesting running and made it really fun to run for another year or two after that. When I kind of thought that I don't know. I knew what running was now. So. Running is not is not the beast that it seems like I don't think you don't need a ton of acquitted for it that a lot who will assume you have to get it's not like this huge skill. You have to learn it's just I would say find a group you can do it with or find a trail runner someone who you know, who runs trails. So you can do it with. And then to me that just sort of like es all these uncertainties that I had had I got under it myself. I would have just not known how you do travelling. I've been worried that I was doing it wrong. But just being with group just following them. I realized that hey, just normal running. You're just kind of picking your feet up and having more fun way to. Yeah. Absolutely. I completely agree with that. And I think the I'm glad you brought it up and just to add to that. I would say that just because you're training for a troll Trudeau doesn't mean you have to be running all of your runs on trails. Right. And I think that's kind of a common thing is that they feel like, well, you know, it takes half an hour to get out to trails. And there's just no way I could do that every day. Well, you don't have to do it every day. Right. I mean, you have it's good to do it on on your long runs. And it's good to do it on a few run here there. But you definitely don't have to do all of your runs on trails. And another thing I would say is that there are plenty of alternate that art on super rugged mountain trails. There are lots of races. That are on kind of crushed gravel paths rail trails type stuff plenty of races. That are kind of some dirt roads or gravel roads. Fi roads that type of thing where you're not having to worry about all the punch of rocks and a bunch of roots and a bunch of things like that. You can you can find some smooth trails to to run on that aren't going to be huge transition from from the road. So maybe you don't have access to a lot of trails where you live, but you still want to run a trail ultra than just finding ultra that where the trails aren't all that technical. And you can you can search around in that information. That information is available. So yeah, totally agree. That's not a big. It's the transition to learning. How to run trails is not nearly as big of a hurdle as a lot of people think, and then and then when it comes to finding time or being able to train on on, of course specific trails for your race. You know, just just make sure you're being mindful of the type of the type of race that you're you're choosing. And find a race that fits kind of what you have available to you. There you go. For the record when I did my hundred. I it was it was eighty percent trails. Not not crazy technical trail. There was you know, Hieaux, but there were some there was some single track. And and a lot of it and a lot of mud and all kinds of dirt and roots and all that stuff. And I think I only did like two or three has long runs on trails. 'cause I knew that it was a chair race, and I had to do some. But for the most part, we just had our daughter then and I just didn't want to take an taking that extra half hour. You mentioned to go drive to trails when I was already going to be out for a long time. And it was fine. It was honestly, totally fine. Now, I had learned to run trails before that. So like, I wouldn't recommend if it's your first ultra, and it's entree, oh, I wouldn't say just do three long ones entrees and you'll be fine. But I don't know. I think just an example that I mean, if your desire is do cherries, and you can't get out drills. Then it's fine. Just just get out there. Sometimes make sure your body is not inferior total shock and surprise. When you do hit the trails. But it doesn't take that many times do. Good. All right. So I don't know. I think I I hope this is helpful. I I'm always when we talk about this for the exact same thing. I mentioned earlier that that we will sort of slip into. Assuming it's really easy. Yeah. Exactly. And I I hope it's not that. Because in fact, we want it to be the opposite. We want this to be not us assuming that anyone can just do this. But honestly trying to address the objections of people in the real objective people. Have that say it sure seems like a much longer distance to run when I feel exhausted at the end of the half marathon. So I hope I hope this has come off not as you know, just because we can do this or having able to do this. Then then anyone can. But rather rather as a as a reasonable addressing of those objections, and hopefully, we'll we'll listen to this and say, hey, maybe I maybe I can do a fifty K as early as this fall. Who knows? Yeah. I mean, I I we could do an entire episode on all the things that are hard about running onto marathon. Right because there are running. Notre it's hard. I mean, there's going to be low points, and it's going to be struck. It's gonna be hard. But it's going to be worth it. And it's going to be awesome. And and the point of this episode is really to to kind of give you the confidence that if that's something you want. If it's something that you if it's a goal that you have or something that's of interest to you at all. Then, you know, explore it because you if you can do that if you can do that fifty if you can do that marathon or half marathon than then we believe that that you have what it takes to to go forth and chase that ultra-marathon go they go. So you can start by going to know me dot com slash go. Dash ultra and get Doug's free ten week starter kit starter plan, which will give you a little bridge program to get into ultramarathons training, as well as some mindset tips things kind of talking about here, but in written form, that's right. So they go out check that out. And we'll be back what probably next week. Some some good stuff. We have a good interview scheduled. We were in the works getting scheduled speaking of ultra running won't we won't divulge any more than that. But one that I think people enjoy I think so it's a good one repeat guests, right repeat? But only only that's true. No know what he hasn't been on. He or she hasn't been on. And in fact, this is a Hinchey NCIS. That's true has not been on the podcast has been has been featured on Nubia athlete. Right. The he did do interviews that weren't pockets interviews. I guess I did. Yeah. I did recorded interviews before. Or at least. I don't know if it's really weird because I think we even having knowing that that radio existed at this point. But it was in a in a law holding pattern when I interviewed the he of of this particular, he and she. Shit as a as an interview on the block. So anyway, maybe people could figure it out. But well if not that we could surprise big surprise. Yes. That's right. Cool. Alrighty, good. Well, this was a good dog. And hope everyone enjoyed it. How you want to go run all tra- now. And we'll talk to you. We'll see on the trails. Right.

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Psychic Medium Reading, & Gigi Hadid Pregnant

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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Psychic Medium Reading, & Gigi Hadid Pregnant

"Mcdonnell has got the chew six when you're on the show the no. She talks colleague tales from real life. Serial data you'll be a dead end. Goes BACK TO THE NUMBER ONE TAB pod. Hannah MacDonald huge school. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop. I've lots to cover and a little bit later. In the show I had a really great interview slash reading with medium. Psychic Matt Frazier from the show. Meet the Frazier's It's really good. It's really juicy. He read me but he also share so much that can be really relatable to anybody and I found it real fascinating. And he's a real delight so but first let's just get into some hot topics and some shows. Well the news broke yesterday that gee-gee Hadid daughter of Yolanda and Mohammed Hadid supermodel. She has been dating on and off one direction. Star Zane for. I don't know how long couple years. Apparently the word is is that she is twenty weeks pregnant and all sources picked it up but Kelly confirmed that. I don't think that David packed said it like they didn't like show a pregnancy test on their instagram. But one thing that juicy scooper posted on juicy scoop obsessed by private facebook group which you're welcome to join providing you listen to the show They noticed that on her birthday she had a big Two and five with Yolanda holding at the two in the five for her twenty fifth birthday and under the two was a blue ribbon and like a baby blue and under the five or vice versa was a light pink ribbon so was that in fact possibly also a gender reveal party. I think that's kind of interesting that if you got balloons we've all done it. You just get strings and you know whatever string. They have so. I think that was deliberate. I think that's pretty good detective work. I believe she's pregnant at twenty weeks. You know what the sex is and I did not realize that she was twenty five. When I heard by initials I knew she was in her twenties. And I don't think twenty-five is that young to have your first baby but it's still young in today's world and I think that it's great Obviously she's super successful and it's not GonNa hurt her modeling career by being a young mother and I think that's great about today Because if Cindy Crawford when she was twenty five. She wasn't married at the time if she found herself pregnant. It would be a completely different story. I would not be as embraced and also it would have affected. Her modeling career would have would have stopped that momentum but because models especially at Jiji's level are so in control of their own career now thanks to social media and instagram. This is just going to enhance it. People are going to be this much more invested in her life products. She pushes like I said she gets to exploit that baby on instagram. Which are all four. We all love seeing Kylie's baby and you know I love seeing Mario Lopez little baby with Courtney. They have three kids. I love like I like following families and watching their little kids too so I think it's all great. Who knows if there'll be a couple who knows but I kind of find? There's like this shift now. Where for a while? It was really taboo to have a baby and everyone was having a baby like later in life like thirties mid thirties. And now like the shift where it's like. Oh there's these this crop of successful twenty something women that are embracing Young Motherhood and so I think it's all great and as a woman you know you know. I think the most important thing is that you're ready to be a mother and if you're ready to be a mother than the age of you shouldn't really matter and hopefully you have the the success in the family around to support you. But obviously she set. Of course you'll on is going to love. Getting a little air may belt for that baby. Put It in white jeans feed it lemon chicken. I mean I'm sure she's thrilled so I'm excited to see. And the baby is going to be obviously gorgeous. Okay let's get into. Oh by the way definitely. It's confirmed like Muhammad Muhamad Her dad and she Shiv A. They're definitely not together anymore and so who knows. He's caught on the market. If you're looking for a hot GRANDPA TO BE OKAY Let's get into a little bit. More about Kristen Cavalieri and Jay Cutler. They're shocking divorce announcement. I talked a little bit about on a Tuesday show. I do think I did see a funny Tweet or medium or something. Where someone's like okay. Whoever thought that they that Heidi and Spencer would go the distance over Kristen and J but I I love Heidi and Spencer's bond and when I interviewed Spencer a couple years ago. He really spoke so highly of cute little family. But what will happen here? I was doing alive instagram. And said what do you think's going to happen to Kristen? Will she stay in Nashville? And my prediction is that she won't she'll stay there for a little. I could see her coming back to the. Oc now she would be a fun addition to the real housewives of O see. That's what I think would be really cool. She's got the little kids. I thought her parents lived in the. Oc But then you. Kelly said that no the parents are in Chicago. Times of the comments online. Were saying anyway. I'd like to go back to the. Oc and why wouldn't she if she doesn't have and apparently it was j? Who HAD PICKED NASHVILLE? I also think j being the NFL player then wasn't he stopped being in the NFL in two thousand seventeen. So I think in the last couple of years. You're not getting the attention from the fans you're not having you know the business of the NFL schedule. I think that really changes certain guys Some people make a a normal transition into regular life from that kind of huge sports world and then other people obviously struggle some people unfortunately had the The effects of the brain from being you know in so many concussions and whatnot. I'm not saying he has that. But you know and who knows and then of course there was all you know. There's blind gossip items about the fact that there. It wasn't just her Fall out with her friend where there was. Some talk of what was was a rumor that they got together has an appropriate that there were many inappropriate now. This is just blind gossip many inappropriate relationships that Jay had she'd finally had it. So I think this quarantine time is an interesting time for relationships. I think people are going to you know fall back in love. I think people are GonNa you know really take time to reflect and other people are going to reflect and say get the fuck out so it's all it's all juicy Okay let's go. Oh speaking of which guys. I hope that you follow me on Instagram at Heather McDonald. I do lots of videos there as well as YouTube dot com slash heather donald interviews videos longer videos. You got to subscribe to that and then also put on your notifications these things because you know how the algorithm works. And you might miss an incredible Barbie reenactment be being carol. Baskin cooking with Simba. I don't want you to miss that stuff. You don't have a lot in life to look forward to right now. There's no light at the end of the tunnel except me continuing to entertain you so tell a friend get on it now. Vander pump rules. Let's get into that well. This was an exciting episode because our girls. Dossey got engaged to her boyfriend of a couple of years. And you know it's kind of like this little joke about saucy that she likes ranch dressing and that she's obsessed with death and murder and so they had a plan to have the cameras. Follow them and go and pick out their tombs or their mausoleum which costs a ton of money. I don't know anybody that can afford to do that their age but it was cute and then he got on the answer and I really do believe she was surprised to get the ring. And then they go back to Lisa van or pumps Villarosa. She's having an absolutely lovely Golden Jenner. And here I am serving STOSIC. Can you believe it giving her a salad? Walkin around sweating cans watering around with Hanky Panky. I put it all together. Install these paid and pain in my ass. But I'm happy to see that bose taking some of our hands. And so they go to her house and it looks lovely and now only Katie and Schwartz. Law knew for awhile that the engagement was happening that day. And they're gonNA have a party immediately following At at a banner pump house which by the way. I really think that's a great way to do engagement. How Fun you gauge? And then you go somewhere and then all your family and friends are there and it's a party you didn't have to put together Please if you can do that for your fiance. I think everybody would love that so but she was wearing jeans shorts. She's still looked really cute because she was filming. But Katie was like I told you to address she goes. I told her to wear your ghost dress. And that's a term they use for like. You're you're the dress that you'd visit people in once your ghost so again variant death. Anyway she comes at. I thought this was kind of funny. 'cause Tom Schwartz. In order to make sure that sandoval and Arianna were free that night. He made up a lie and said that he was hosting a seven. Course dinner I guess he said caters coming and it was going to be all this different kinds of food and they're gonNA get their own little skillet and it was going to be a pairing and it was going to be Japanese food and Mexican food and and so Arianna. It was funny. Had starved herself all day as I would too if I was going to seven course dinner which I've done like on two occasions it's frigging awesome. I love going to someone's house that has like some chef things sometimes they bite for like an auction item. And you sit there and just eat your face off anyway. It was it now. It was Lisa van pumps which was still. I'm sure a nice thing but it wasn't seven courses and here's the thing when you have to lie about something for another surprise. May I suggest the lie should not be better than the actual event and this happened to me? When I was very young and I learned my lesson I was sixteen and it was my friend. Nicole sweet sixteenth birthday so my friend. Taryn. I had Nicole over while her mom set up the whole house for her Sweet Sixteen Party and the story that we told her was that we were going into Beverley hills with my frontiers mother to have sit down fancy dinner at a mansion. Who so that we were dressed up and then I remember them. Bob Kept like enhancing the story and she goes now. Remember girls you start with the outside for and you move in and if they WANNA put champagne down you let them. But you're not to drink it and you put a Napkin on your lap and I even knowing that the night was going to be in Westlake village with a bunch of teenage kids and Burgers. I started to get so excited about the fake story and then I think she was too. I think honestly she was a little disappointed so then we go to her house and she was supposed to like let the dog out or something or something with the dog and so the mom goes into something the dog and sets off the alarm and then so the. Nicole runs in to put in the code. And that's when everyone comes out and goes surprise and the first thing she said is wait. We're not going to Beverly Hills for the sit down and then also having to be once older they I was going to a a party for some guy and they told the guy that they're going to the playboy mansion and they're like we're just going to get a drink here first before we go to the playboy mansion for a party and he was so excited and then we get to the bar and we're like surprise and he's like wait but we're still gonNA play where mansion after this. That's still part of my surprise right and we're like now. That was just to get you to get dressed up and be excited to go out. So that's right advice to you anyway. So getting back to pump. The sad part of the story is that Kristin was at home with their dogs and Lalla called her and said look. You were meant to come to the party. But then last night at the witches of Waco bottle thing Starting out upset that you approached bow and said I can't believe you're not going to be my friend and he's like well she's my fiance and she's like. I was your friend for four years and that you were almost making Bo- like choose between the woman. He's going to spend his life his life with and a girl that he was friendly with and introduced him. But still you know at a certain point. Yeah that introduction is going to be lower than the fact that you're like dedicating your life to this woman so she was not invited and she's very sad. It's so sad that Carter then texted and was like you know you're an asshole. Kristen introduced you is it now. She's not even included. And then Kristen Kinda liked that Carter even though they had this horrible relationship and he's forty seven that he stuck stood up for her so then the next day Jacks and Brittany come over. Britney's just still so nice and she will not let thank God. She's not letting Christon goes a friend. They're still remaining friends. And Jack's I guess was a gardener in his past life or something he just likes to. Malawi knows all about different grass. So He's like I'm GonNa me lawn and he comes over to Milan and Kristen's like I was so upset last night. Carter came you picked up the dogs. I couldn't have them be around me. I didn't want my mood to affect the dog's mood. And she goes even though their emotional support animals for me. I can't then affect their mood and I was like no you can. Isn't that the whole point if you're emotionally troubled and you get a little dog. That's your emotional support animal. Why would you then send the doll up? They should put up with your shitty moods. They have a job and their job is to be your therapist. So I don't get that whole thing okay so Sheena had a fun moment with Stasi's fifteen year old brother where the way they edited. It seem like she's very cookery because she's like so my God you're so tall now you're gonna be taller than bow. You've really grown up. He's like uh-huh and she says. Do you have a boyfriend girlfriend she goes? Do you have a girlfriend? And he's like I don't know maybe you'll get one in highschool he's like I mean maybe that I guess that would be nice. She's like yeah and then they cut to her in her interview and she's like twenty one is the youngest. I would date and I just I literally. I really don't think she had any intention ever dating this boy even when he becomes twenty one but it was funny the way they edit the show because I kind of have to. They have to enhance the show and I'm sure they asked her. What the youngest you date on another day and then they took that clip and put it right after she was talking. Try To. You're sitting at a table and she gets seated next to the fifteen year old. I don't think she's thrilled about that. I think she would have rather be sitting next to somebody else but So I think it was. It was good. They have a baseball game. That went on way too long. The two bars pl- play baseball against each other. And I guess she now. This is kind of interesting she does. Grandmother was that like World War Two. You Know Penny Marshall Movie based on Petty Marshall and Madonna. I remember that baseball movie. Kelly illegal own okay. It was like like her. Grandmother was the inspiration for like a League of their own. Grandmother was like a professional female basketball player when no one could play baseball because all men were in the war like anyway so sheen is like really good at baseball. So it's kind of fun but it was really not interesting enough to go for like twenty minutes and then Raquel become more likable. And so is James. Because he's not drinking and it was all good but and the engagement was fun. And that's I'm happy for them okay. So this was a very weird engagement on a reality show. I'm watching below deck sailing and I'm watching it with by sundry and it's basically the same thing as the you know the other sailing shows except for two hours out of the two and a half day trip. They turn off the motors. They pull up the sales and then everyone just leans to the left for like two hours and then they have to lock all the cabinets and then that's it and then they go. Okay now we've done our little sailing. Some can just go back to being normal and then they put him down. It's very weird and the cast is like not as exciting but But Adam this chef is boning the head steward girl and they. They're starting to get their relationship is starting to get weird she said. No one's ever given me flowers before I guess if a guy ever gave me flowers I just lose my mind so then Adam has them take the little tinder to some island and he has his chef crock sawn and he climbs up a hill and he collects wildflowers puts them in a vase and he gives them for her to her. She's like Oh are these flowers for me and he goes. Yeah I got you these flowers. Oh where did? When did you do that? I went to tender with the other guy and client who the Hell and God. Oh Am I didn't even know you you're gone Okay so going to do dinner at seven thirty. And they're gonNA they want a special thing and he was like. Are You fucking kidding me? Like and then they get in a fight about it and then she's like well. I'm sorry I don't have the reaction you want it. I'm telling you guys I don't. I don't know what to do with these people. But they had the social influence or girls on that looked like twins but they weren't and they both had to hop boyfriends one real hot one and he was getting jealous because the one girl was flooded with Adam the chef and they go to have dessert on this island. And he's like I think I'm going to ask her to marry him. Marry me. Should I and the head steward goals? What goes do you have ring? And he goes no I. Don't she goes here. Just take this one in asker. Just gives her like some sad. Like I don't know twenty dollar gold band and then in front of Cameras. He gets on his knee and he's like Amanda Social Influence or whatever your name is would you like to marry? Will you marry me? And she's like Can we go over here and talk? And then they come back and they're like okay. We're not getting married but you know we're GONNA continue to date now is nice. Let me also tell you guys know. Nobody wants to have. You asked him to get married. When you don't even have a ring chosen. It does not work that way. It is not romantic especially when you borrowed it from like some chick that's been like cleaning with all day and I mean it's her ring. It's not say it was so weird anyway. I don't know who these girls are. But someone was following them and said she's with some guy that's all touted up so obviously she dumped the one from the boat. But the good news is we're going to do a sketch coming up about below deck sailing and you're going to really like it. That's why you need your notifications on my instagram and Youtube and all of that. I've been watching summer house. That's another show. I like to watch what I'm floating around in my pool. Don't Brag I have a pool and I also have a TV under this Patio that I can watch and I like watching below decks sailing and Summer House because it makes me feel like I'm actually. There's more people at my pool than just myself and Some houses you guys is trying is telling Kelly. She's like the age of the people on the show me. They're a little bit older than you are. But there's something interesting about the East Coast. Young girl look and it is it is different than the. La Look and it's just like a lot of them their their bathing suits have like no padding and no under wire. It's just like a one piece with like lemons on it and it's just it's like not even that low cut and it's not that high cut and I think I've just like I mean clearly like l. a.'s Cheesier Lan and I'm the first to admit it but The style is cute. But I'm also just like. Wow you're really proud of those little titties there. You're doing nothing to enhance them. You are in fact crushing them down and I just come from an era of if you didn't have them you've got a Boob job or you wore like an under wire bikini top with those little cups those little pads he'd stick in you know and then they'd get folded up and then you'd have to stick your finger in and try to rearrange it and and like an sometimes it's just folded and you're like oh well now it's folded they look like. I have squared tits. But at least they're like a little bit bigger and these girls are just wearing just like or like they were like the high waisted bikinis bottoms from the forties. And then just like a Bandeau top. Just something you get like Banana Republic. That's just again like no support. Nothing they did the whole APP. A couple episodes about how this guy girl friendship. He one day just leaned over and started fingering her. They didn't even kiss before and they all talked about it and I just thought it was amazing and I love that rich east coast. Look the with the All the trust fund kids. I went two years ago. I was in the Hamptons staying with Gills. Aaron an Alley. Their Shapiro is her name and you as them obviously and I got hunt. Hang out with these exact type of kids. The Summer House kids in fact two people from summer house were with us. But I don't think they're on the show anymore and I wasn't watching it back then and I said I'd like to go to the Southampton social you guys. I must've been at least twenty years older than every single person there and I loved it and no it wasn't like an extremely attractive group of people and a lot of people didn't a lot of people didn't have those jobs something also. I'm very used to seeing here. Is that when I was growing up? My sorority like three girls who turn their head to the left and they'd all have the exact same knows they all went to the same doctor know. These girls are just rocking. They're like kind of knows which I think looks good there. Harris kind of flat. They're not like teasing it up. They're not doing any kind of special like blowout curl Not a lot of makeup but then just like a really expensive stylish outfit tiny tits and rows away and a lot of money and watch the show. I think it's like a fun little escape. Okay guys I'm ready to get into this very juicy interview. He reads me people in my past. That you guys know about since you've been listening to me forever come through and then I'll even Get more into it on Patriarch of course on Friday so here we go with Matt Frazier Psychic medium from the east show. Meet the Frazier's so I am talking to Matt Frazier. Who is an author? He has a new book. That's out right now. Available it is not on Amazon in Barnes and noble in a local bookstore when having in calls he's a psychic and medium. And you had a reality show this past year called meet the Frazier's on e. and still do good. So you still do. So where is it in the? I know that you had a season come out. Are you coming out coming back for a second season? Are you on hold with everything else? What's going on well? Yeah everything's on. Hold Right now and on hiatus obviously because of the virus but you can actually go and binge watched the whole season right now on Amazon. Hulu or right on the NBC dot Com up Ottesen Animal. Yes Great I. Now I'm people aren't able to catch up on shows or rediscover shows and which is really cool. That's one good thing about all of this so I'm excited because of this book and you know I just you said you would do a reading of me. I know you're as a psychic medium. I know you as a medium. I know that you talk to people that have crossed over. But what about the psychic part like? Can you to have any feeling about when we'll get out of this corona virus mess? Well the only thing that tells me is that it's very very we're going to be in this for awhile you know. We're GONNA be more in this for economic reasons than we are even with the virus. But we're going to see is we're going to see this number spike up really high and I'm GonNa see it spike down so you know we're in this for a while we have to stick together you know. Unfortunately they don't give me like a complete end time like you know it's something like this is beyond heavens control. It really just focuses on us. Entrusting IN OUR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ENTRUSTING OUR LEADERS. And all of that. I mean the way I get my information is. I actually talked to loved ones on the other side. So you know. I'll talk to a grandmother that had passed or grandfather or father sister mother. Whoever and that's really who can see your light so when you visit a psychic medium or when you connect with the medium the way that they get their information isn't through the clouds so when somebody asks me a question they say hey you know. Am I going to get married juicy me meeting somebody? Siemian a relationship. I don't just go in you know. Go ask myself that question. I have to ask somebody that has died within your life to provide that information and then they speak to me about it. Okay because I loved ones can see everything that we do. They can see tomorrow so much more clearly than we see today. Wow well I WanNa ask you a question so we have been spending a lot of time with the family. I have two sons and And I posted some of us like we were having s'mores it was warmer last weekend and we're doing more than making these funny instrument stories and this woman wrote me and she goes. I see you have this this little blue light that was in the video floating around each of your sons and she was like. I'm in this group. That believes that's like you know the other side kind of being part of your fun or coming down. Do you know anything about that. Or how do you feel about that? Well Yeah I mean there are times when we capture spirits on camera we can capture them on an iphone or see them here in pictures and sometimes you do you will catch energy because spirit is energy so you know just the same way that you can see you can catch things in photos are here things through through a recording. Engeines fearance happens. It's the same thing with spirit but you know you also have to make sure that it's not actually just your cameras spirit and sometimes it's just your camera like I'm looking at right now and it looks like you have a halo above your head really but light. That's up above it right you know. I don't think anything that you think is a sign is a sign I mean I've seen really fouled things in the way that you know it's a sign versus a coincidence or versus just a light versus just a weird strange event is if it keeps happening and happening and happening and happening. You know what the spirit world will do. They use repetition a lot of times to get our attention and to let us know that they're in with us so they'll send signs so for example science could be from seeing butterflies. Dragonflies heating numbers you know hearing different songs reminded south of our loved one or it could be you going and seeing somebody no matter where you go that remind you of your data reminds you of your grandmother had asked And those are always our loved ones us to reach us. Yeah it's funny because whenever I'm filming something. Which isn't that often. I mostly do this. Podcast and do standup. But there's been times where they'll be like two flies like hanging out and I've joked with my sister and I'm like Oh you know that. That's mom and dad like they just wanted to be on set with me. No there happened to be together and there's two flies wiser wiser to and I kind of like joked about it but I mean is that something that is possible if it keeps happening yes I think so. I mean I've seen that there are state. Listen I've seen spirit through in the craziest craziest ways you know. I have one woman who finds pennies dimes. Nickels quarters no matter where she goes. I have another client who ran cardinals to point where she came out. Wednesday in her whole car was covered with cardinals and that was her dad's favorite bird but normally the way that they come through is back in a way that reflects the personality so if your dad was a coin collector here in this world that he might leave you different coins that you see if your father was a musician he loves look love. Music loved Frank Sinatra. You might hear that song. Find me to the moon. No matter where you go or it might be just a feeling that you get so the way that they communicate with signs isn't that we just see a lady bug or a dragonfly. It has to mean something to that. Loved one so for example. I have a woman who her dad was a car dealer and you know loved cars and then now her sign with her data. She sees license plates. That connect her with her dad like they have different meanings. Didn't different things are written up and it makes sense because her dad was a car dealer so they specifically will come through with the personality. Oh cool okay. Great so I can. You read me. Yeah so your father's definitely here. When I'm connecting very strong around you speaking to him and this was a man when I'm connecting with him he actually keep feeling all of us. Tightness in my chest runs speaking to him and he tells me that he was telling all issues here specifically those also issues for circulation with remember the circulation issues because he's bringing that up okay and he also says to me that one of the things that he wants you to know is that he can now move freely on the other side because he tells those issues with walking or being able to move towards the end with his departure he says can I please Jordan now is the I am free from this more importantly I can now move because this was the hardest thing that your dad was dealing with and he just said to me that he felt there was a fall that had happened. I mean they were kind of several falls what he know towards the end of his life. You know he was an athlete. So you always had like you know the replace me's and the replace shoulders but then towards the end he remember he said you know. They think I'll never really walk again. I'll be in this wheelchair because had fought some of what it is because he's yeah to me when I'm connected with them. He says I need to let her know. I can walk. I can move because it was also circulation issues that were causing a Michigan had neurology. He's going like he says he couldn't feel his leg. Yes he neuropathy gets a lot worse as time goes on. And it's like a numbing feeling of your feet and your legs and Yes that's very interesting because I remember I said so. So what so? What if you never walk again? So what if you're in? A wheelchair does does livelihood. And he's asked to me that he's going to be honest what he tells me. He says that when he found out he couldn't walk. It's almost like you lost the will to live. Because he says to me. I felt like I couldn't have my life back. He says I felt everything that I loved everything that I cared about. He says I felt just just washed away. Because I couldn't partake in things anymore. Your Dad wants to thank you for the way that you try to keep him. Involved at family events daily get togethers in the way that you would always include him. He says but I felt so helpless. And Your Dad was so strong. He didn't want other people taking care of him here in this world. He's also telling me happy birthday. Whose birthday is My Gosh well. Where are We April? It's like the data together. Well this month Coming this month his My niece it's Haley's with my niece. Haley's birthday it's Both my husband and my sister's husband's birthday are the tenth eleventh of this month So that because he's celebrating the birthdays on the other side. And Your Dad wants you to know that. He's what the but more importantly he wants to apologize for everything you had to see here in this world because he says to me that you all took turns taking care of him. It's keeping an eye on him and trying to keep him positive. He says on the one thing that he wants you to know. Is that the same way. They left this world. He is okay. Now that he's on the other side is he's acknowledging now. Oh that's great is he with. My mom is my mom coming through is she. He's the with her. But it's Your Dad. Who was the strongest you know? Your Dad is because the thing is that he was not prepared to die in the way that he did and that was tough car. Is that really? He suffered for so long and it was. It was an ongoing thing and a lingering thing and there was always something that was happening. Because he's telling me this and he has been trying to reach you in the worst way to let you know that he is okay because you know part of thing is that when he got sick he also. His personality could change because he didn't have his legs you know he couldn't walk. He couldn't do the things that he loved and he wants you to know that on the other side that he's back to being happy and healthy and being okay. This is acknowledging that that's Nice. That's good yeah yeah. He's also connected me with the Lake House. Who's the League? Kosovo the Beach House. We didn't have a Beecher Lake House but he was from. The beach was was a lifeguard on the beach. He's from Long Long Beach Long Island and that's where all his you know. That's where he grew up. That's where his family home and everything as a child was and his perfect sister and yeah he's with all of those people because he's showing me memories of everybody being like on this on this house by the and everyone goes swimming with one another and being connected with one another so now what. Your Dad's signaling. That he's with everybody. That's there thanksgiving. So given the name Steven Steven Steven These Stephen that I think is my mom. Her brother he had down syndrome and he died. You know he lived very long for having that he was like probably in his sixties when he passed. And it's interesting that you say that because right when my mom passed. I had a psychic. Tell me that she was greeted by her parents. And a seven year old boy and I remember thinking what seven year old boy and then I thought. I bet it's Stephen. Because mentally. He remained at seven and drama. Down at both. Both here. And I kept hearing Stevens your Stevens here teller Stevens here on. That's sweet because you know. That was like freaked out right now. I mean I think it's so sweet because you know my mom would tell me that she had this brother and and back. Then you know I. It wasn't really if you had a child that had issues. They would put them in the home. They wouldn't you wouldn't have them in your own house. And she told me when they took her brother to the home. She was like hanging onto him in sailing. All take care of. I'll take care of him and And then he went to this home and and and then one of the you know couple years before he died. My Dad said. Let's go visit Stephen at the home in Wisconsin which we live in Los Angeles and so they got to see him and visit him and he did really well at this in this group home throughout his life he lived a nice happy. Save clean life but I think that was nice for my mom because I think she carried a lot of guilt about not being able to keep in touch with him all those years because of his mental capabilities and the far distance that he lived. Oh absolutely yeah. The thing was is that she you know they were very connected to him here in this world and nervous about him so the fact that they are on the other side with him is so amazing and. I love that because you know to me when I connect with with souls. I connect with family members. I love to see how everyone's back together and like everyone that we've ever lost everyone that we've ever missed is even waiting for us even our pets even our pets make it. Oh that's nice so is so is my mom's saying anything or doing she's like. I said they kept saying that Steven was here. So that's just her way of acknowledging. That was that your brother are valid her brother so with this particular story. I immediately call my sister Shannon and shared this amazing news and then she corrected me on something that then sort of changed my opinion about the entire reading and I WANNA share those details on patriots dot net. Click on patriotic and joint. And that'll be on tomorrow's show Friday but let's get to the rest of it. 'cause it's still. It's still very very interesting and relatable to anyone that's lost a loved one. Her only brother. No it's her way of just acknowledging that she is that she is back with him you know she's telling me when. I'm when I'm connecting with her that this was a hard thing for you to go through when when I'm speaking to her keeps Lewisburg because Lonzo hear them whisper in my ear and I keep hearing questions over surgery and she's bringing that up when I'm speaking to her and she says to me that it was a lot that she kept hidden with illnesses. She didn't tell you what was actually going on and what was happening So did you not know everything that was going on with her? Well I know that. She was starting to have early Alzheimer's which she tried to hide. But we were becoming aware of it and then she broke her ankle and unbeknownst to us she had a blood clot and died very suddenly with my sister. Shannon. Who is with her? And there was because of the ankle yes and it was like a real shock and surprise and so with the which kept telling me there was questions of a search her going in for surgery. No she really never had. That's what was so shocking is because it was always my dad that had like so many bouts in the hospital and with her. I mean I really don't think she'd been in the hospital since I was born and then she died in hospital so I I don't know about the surgery thing. Maybe she was hoping you know maybe there I know. They tried to save her at that hospital and couldn't and it was just very. It was very shocking for me to that she had passed like you know and it was really really hard for my sister. Shannon. Who was there? What was hard for your mom too? But she was not feeling well beforehand because she's telling me this so even though she didn't go to the doctor's like I'm talking about with it with the whole with the whole clot in everything that she was deal. Yeah she says to me that she wasn't feeling before and she says it was the hardest thing that she had to go through. Your mom was afraid drugs coping afraid of surgery and afraid of going in. There was all of these different things that went around around it. So even though you feel like her passing was very rushed. You know she's acknowledging in letting you know that she was afraid to tell because she didn't WanNa get nervous. Yeah bringing that throw. 'cause she's she kept telling me about her going in in masking some of her symptoms amassing some of the things that she was feeling. Yeah I can see that for sure. She is with you every day and like it so amazing that. She's with her brother because she says to me. I was not expecting to see him there. And your mom tells me that when she passed on and we when she went to the side and her brother was there. That's how she knew that heaven was real and that's how she knew that there was an afterlife. Wow that's really cool. I'm really glad that they're seeing that. Because they were both religious people and definitely believed in God in the afterlife. So you know that's really nice. Oh definitely definitely does she like watch my career or anything or like because she was so excited about it before I die I mean before she died and my career died. Your mom tells me like. She was a little bit like a diva herself. Like I felt like that she always wanted to be famous daughter being on TV or things like that because she was living vicariously through you and she loves what you were doing. And she's so bragging on the other side because that's her personality but you know that is that's really interesting. I just WanNa say because she was very into acting in high school and she got a scholarship for drama at Catholic University. It's crazy and her. Dad Said you can't study acting drama you can. You're a good writer you'll just you could go to study journalism instead. When she told me that I just thought it was so sad that she didn't pursue. You know the acting thing. She kind of went. Yeah 'cause when I'm connecting with her. She says she's telling me. She always like like a deep in her heart. She always wanted to be like either on a soap opera on TV. Show like that was something that she always thought so glamorous than so beautiful and so great and now she gets of what you do your career and you know be out in front of people and doing what you love and that really makes your mom feel good because she was able to do that in high school but like I said she was always. She always had the inner deavere in her. That was ready to come out so she. She does guide you and she is. She is with you and that goes for everybody listening. Is that listen? Our loved ones are a number one cheerleaders on the other side. They watch over US every day. They watch us through our careers. They weren't just through the craziness that goes on in our life just like right now when we get nervous when we get scared when we stressed over things that we come into contact with like this virus our laws when so they're keep an eye on us. Yeah yeah that's that's really interesting. Yes she was in. She was so funny like my. My sister and I used to watch old reruns of I love Lucy and we a little girls would go. Mom is like Lucy. That's mom like that's the kind of funny things like. She was very funny. Very Witty. Both of them were really like naturally. Funny naturally good storytellers. Even though neither of them pursued the arts in that way they were. You know outgoing people but you know it's it's also amazing to our loved ones when we do the things that they wanted to do or when we do something that was close to their heart like for example. Your mom watching you within your career. In this was something that she that she always had in her heart and she wanted to announce a see her daughter taking that a ton into taking taken that role and doing it just in a different way in your own way with your stand up in what you do with your podcasting in your own and whatnot. It's refreshing for them to see and they love it. You know. That's one of the things that I love doing what I do because you know to see that your loved ones of the air and that they're helping to open up opportunities open up doors is just so comforting to people because you know when we lose loved when the first thing that we think about was. Oh my God they can able to see me get married. Are They GonNa see me? Walk across the graduation stage. They're gonNa see you know the promotion that I got at work? I wish my mom was here. See Me do this and you know. That's the reason why I wanted to write. My book is because your loved ones are always with you. You know they aren't. They do see everything that you do. They are with you through all of it and you know it's up to us to start a conversation with them. You know what I want to teach people as a medium is that you don't need to connect with your loved ones you know. I can validate that. They here in that there with you. But it's but the conversation doesn't start with me it starts with few starts with you. Learn the signs the way that they communicate and learning how you can you know directly. Connect with them. So I have a couple of general like questions about you. Know whenever we see something with psychics and mediums whether they're TV personalities. Like you or you just go to one. It always seems to be a very positive thing. They're happier on the other side. They love you there. This or that D- ever counter someone. That's like pissed absolutely. I mean listen. There is a both a positive and dark side of psychic ability. It really does happen. I mean just like we have positive people in this world so most of our experiences are positive. Hopefully there are sometimes when you went. Car encounter a negative person and there are some times when you encounter negative souls. But there's something that psychics and mediums do inline workers do and that's called psychic protection. So you know actually. I'm just doing a course on this during the Corona viruses that. There's a way that we can go and protect our energy to one keep away negative spirits and to keep away negative energy affect US and before. I do any reading before I do a podcast before I go out onto a live event before I do anything the first thing that I do is. I always pray because I don't WanNa talk to negative souls. I only wanted to talk to souls that are gonNA come through. They're GONNA help us. You know if if this a soul that's negative and you know they try to communicate with us. We know that that's not going to be a good reading. We want our loved ones to come through that really care about us as they did here in this world now there are some souls that come through that we don't want to hear from times do a reading where you know an ex husband by come through that the president hated here in this world or you know there might be a father that was estranged from his daughter that comes through and the daughter really didn't want to hear from him but her dad is there you know so. Sometimes it's people that we don't WanNa hear from come through but it's also important to remember that souls if they're in heaven there at peace like all of our loved ones are at peace. It's very rare that you get a loved. One that doesn't crosses that doesn't cross over that. Isn't it piece? That is a negative soul. In chances are you will never You'll never interact or encounter one within your life and everybody listening will interact your encounter one within our life because the thing is is that these souls very rare. They're very hard to come by. In the only time you're actually going to go and come across a negative soul or dark souls if you go looking for it so don't play with Ouija boards you know. Don't go into places that are known to be haunted are known to have activity. Because you know you can't bring it upon yourself but as long as we stay away from those places you'll be good. So what about like you know this? I asked weird questions that nobody else probably would ask. What about like say say you know you did lose your husband or your love of your life and now you're in love with someone else and then I go to see you and you're like end your you know your first husband always loved you. He's around all the time. Is Your first husband watching? You Bone your second husband. You better believe it absolutely. I mean that's sitting there watching. They're not at the bedside with popcorn. Can they see it? Yes I like to describe it. Is that your loved. Ones can see everything that you do everything that you do. They can see you bone your husband. Now they can see everything but the thing is is that it's like having security cameras in your house. You have security cameras in your house outside of the health but yeah how many times check those cameras. Well My. My husband does board that. I looked back at it. Yeah but you have. You have access to it if you ever wanted to go and look through. You could say your husband. Hey pull up. What went on on the camera today and you could see everything that your neighbors were doing everything that happened outside your house. But you don't have access to that information but you choose not to view it. It's the same thing with your loved ones. If they wanted to. They could watch you in the bedroom of what you do these things but they don't watch because you know it's not interesting to them to be honest with you you know it's like my kids came as all around my house. I tell you the last time I looked at them. I think they looked at a couple of weeks ago. I was missing my keys. We're trying to figure out where I left them. But the thing is is that our loved ones only look after the things that are meant to be celebrated. Really you know graduations. Get togethers times when we're sick things like that I ask. There are times where let's answer questions school back hard times when for example. I was reading this woman in the audience. Man's she lost. She was just a husband and she lost a boyfriend and her husband had come through when her husband was like talking to her and delivering these niches. I'm like in your husband says you know. Don't worry because when when you pass you will see him again and she looked at me and she goes oh no she goes no I love. It's my husband. He was wonderful. We had a great marriage because nothing compared to my boyfriend. My boyfriend. He was so sexy he was so sweet he was so listen. You know I I came to life again. You know when I met after my husband died and I met this me and I'm like well listen. That's the unit. Take when you go to but that does happen. You know when are some souls? Don't go don't get back together. You know some people who are married here in this world. Don't get back together on the other side and let me just say before everybody says freaking out and starts going crazy because every time. I say that everybody goes. Oh sorry. I'M NOT GONNA be with my husband and no you will. That thing is is that you know as a medium. I can tell you that there's many times when I have clients where many times people choose to stay in a relationship. They're not in love with the person. Maybe because it's business related. Maybe it's too much to get a divorce. Maybe it's too much at stake so when you go to the other side you're not just back with your wife because of marriage certificate has to be because there's true love they're so couples that are truly in love in that are truly soul mates. 'cause that's what a soulmate is. We'll be back with one another. You know couples. That really weren't in love and really weren't in a relationship in the first place. Chances are won't be well which makes sense because heaven should be heaven and if heaven is not being with the person that you did the time with your on earth then you shouldn't have to suffer on the other side and the other thing on to bring up is there was one time where. I was like You know dealing with my sibling. Who has done time in prison? And so you know I was like I go. Well hopefully like. My mom isn't seeing that sad part. You know because I'm like well. Why would she you know it? It's Kinda makes sense of what you said like. Why did she does them to see the negative awful things? She should just becoming to the fun stuff. She should just becoming to my nephews. Tennis match or Drake's golf game or a graduation or my performance like that would be heaven like why would you do see the stuff they do? They do see like the bad stuff that we go through they see the divorces you know they see the illness that we go through or losing somebody and a Lotta Times. They do attend their own all the time I should say they do attend their own funerals. But the is is that you gotta remember to. Heaven concede tomorrow so much more clearly than we see yesterday so when we're here like with this virus for example right now in the virus and when we were all freaking out like Oh my God is there tomorrow is there. Is there another day. Are we going to get through it? Are we going to be there? Heaven is not worrying. We are because they see the end of the the end result. They see that we're GonNa make it through it. They see that we're GONNA be okay. You know and that this is a learning lesson in a time for us to stick together and really get back to community so you know. That's one of the things that you have to remember as well as they do know and they do see the things that take place very cool. I think they are concerned for us. Don't don't get me wrong when something happens. That you know is unfortunate within the family. Do they are concerns? I mean and they do. They feel bad but at the same time. They're not losing sleep over it because they know that here in this world is where the classroom. This is journey. This is where we learn our life lessons and it becomes clear when you go to the other side. You know that your journey is complete now. They're watching US go through archery. And when did you realize in life that you had these This gift well so my grandmother was a medium. M My mom but you know when I say that they never did it professionally just like your mom was in drama in highschool musicals or whatever it was she did she never did it professionally in. Bishop still gifted. In that way. She was still performing at heart. She still had that star quality about her even though she never did it professionally. Same thing with my mom and my grandmother so they could communicate with the other side although that they chose not to they would only do it for close friends and family members and when I was growing up I too had this ability just being three four five years old I could see and feel insensitive part and it was scary for me. It was literally like living the movie. The six cents. I didn't realize it was an actual gift or an actual calling until later on in life and when you went to see the movie the sixth sense was it weird for you was it. Yes it was. I didn't see it until later on. And then as I got older it was like wow. That was my life growing up like I was that. Little Boy Brill was afraid I was afraid I was. I like I would have never watched it when I was six years old seven years old. I didn't watch it till my teens because I was too afraid of going anywhere near the other side of the afterlife because I knew I could see them in here so when you're afraid of something near it's like if you're afraid of of cars you don't go to monster truck rally you know it's because you're afraid you don't you choose to distance yourself from that now you hear the but do you see like the visual of them as well. I do like the moment that I was here. I saw your mom and Dad Behind. Joyce or shadow since shadow silhouette is what I'd say so it's almost like a like a An outline behind you what I'll see I'll know okay well. This is her mother his dad. This is whoever well and so when then you when you started to finally like X. I mean like disrupt you while you're in school or anything. Well no because the spirits would always usually come to me when I was alone so they really didn't communicate with me because you have to clear your mind and to communicate with them. So that's why a lot of times people get wanted at nights or spirits. Come through at night. It's not because the night is so different than the day it just because that's the time when normally you're alone you're asleep. Your mind is clear and that they can easily come to you. You know you're a ghost isn't gonNA come and haunt you in the middle of a casino or the middle of a theater. They're going to wait to come at a place when when your time when you're alone so they can reach you and communicate with you so the thing is is that with me. They would always come through to me when I was by myself if I was if I was playing alone whether it be outside inside day night whenever whenever I was by my side they would seize that opportunity to try to talk to speak to me so I never happened with my friends but I would tell my friends what would happen. I would tell my friends. Oh my God last night. You know my grandmother came to me or last night. I saw this spirit or last night. This happens and it was scary. It was really. It was scary because they didn't understand it and I remember telling close friends of mine when I was younger. Like in the neighborhood and then they would tell their parents and their parents and say all. Yeah that's as imaginary friends or he's just making it up. They they never gave it like for you. Know they'd be never the the family members of the people that were connected to my My friends never actually understood what was I was going through very good. That's very interesting. Question is when you're reading somebody and they're like so. I'm dating this guy. And what do you see for us? And what do you I mean? Do you see the fact that yes. They're going to get married or have kids or you know. I know. I've had friends that have seen psychics. And then they'll say all is dating. This guy in the psychic says this guy is not the one but two people after him with the name that starts with B. That's going to be the one that you have your kids with and I kind of thought you know. I don't think that's a healthy thing to do. Because I think it it gets in your brain and then you might sabotage this relationship. You're currently in because you're like well this guy's not it anyway. So what is your opinion on all that I? You're absolutely right and that's why you don't have. It isn't data. Make choices for us and the thing is is that they won't say to you while you know or they look first of all. I don't know because I don't know what other psychics Stu but I do know that what I do and I first of all I never give like a a B name I will. Sometimes I will hear a name like for example. I heard Stephen with your brother and that was who passed. Sometimes they'll tell me who they're gonNA meet or who they're going to be with not always but sometimes they will you know if they feel like it's going to help you on on your path but the other thing too is that you know you can't live your around this. We all have to go through our own experiences and opportunities so for example. If you go and say you know this is why the other side sometimes won't give us a name is because of a psychic tells you okay well you're going to go and you're going to be. I don't know a harold and that's going to get married to one person might say well you know what? I'm not going to date this person. This person this person this person. Because that's not. Harold mega wait until that one person comes to through their life and the thing is that we can't cheat like you know we're meant to go through some not so good relationships so that we can really treasure the relationships that we're in I mean. I know that before I met my fiance. I was in a relationship before he ends and it made me value what I have today so much better because if I didn't have another relationship to compare to or to look back on I wouldn't understand that I'm truly what by Salt Lake. So you know we have to go you know. Everybody feels that they want to cheat life for they want it. They don't WanNa go to do hard experiences. Unfortunately we have to go through some of the hardship. We have to go through some of the challenges we have to go through some of the struggles to really gain appreciation for what it is that we have to go back and answer your question about you know the other side and being with people. I know that when souls when when souls come to me and talk to me about love life and things like that some usually it's the clients who will not want to hear what they have to say. For example you know a client might come to me. And they're like you know I'm with I'm with my boyfriend's and you know Juicy getting married you see US whatever you know. They're bothered or the grandfather. Whoever will come to say yeah? Unfortunately you know you're not going to get married to him and you know they'll say. Oh yes I am. You know I feel it. I know bub-bubba Blah and you know. Sometimes I are grandparents are whoever's watching over us can lead us and tell us now and normally sometimes we don't WanNa hear it but it's the truth like I i. I'm not in the business of telling people what they WANNA hear. I have you know as a medium. It's hard I have to tell people the truth because sometimes we can get stuck in a relationship or get stuck in a life path. That's not good for us. Okay so what do you see for my future? Now that you've talked to my parents and can you see anything for me that I should work on or avoid or what do you see? Your mom is saying that you need to stop stressing out. She tells me that you stress stress stress things. That hasn't even happened yet and she says that you need to start sleeping advice to you. She tells you that your mind is going going going going going Thompson. You can't sleep at night and you're up in that you just you try to think ahead too much. She says stay in the moment. Relax she says. Everything's on Welsh. Go stop trying to take care of everybody. She says you need a fix everybody's problem. She says just focused focused on you. She says Energy a little bit. 'cause your mom tells me that you get really swept up really easily and very fast. So she's telling me that that's one of the things that you have to that you have to work okay. But can but you but you so you don't see like okay like future like juicy future stuff with careers or anything or you. Just get your only get the future through the past ones through the past ones. You're going to get a message. It's not like a slot machine like you. Just ask a question and have an answer come out like the other side will tell me things but the way that it works is that there has to be a message for you so for example you know your dad wanted to come through to tell you his legs and that he could walk again but if he was fine and everything was good and you had closure with his passing. They were things that had happened. He wouldn't come through and speak to you just like I tell. My clients has some people who would want a book reading with me if they could every single day in the thing is is that your loved. Ones won't come through every single day. They only come through when there's a message that's there when you know there's something they have to tell you about where they want to relate to you or something that's happening so if everything's going well in your marriage and your life and everything was with your mom. Chances are she's not gonNA come through. But if you lost a son and you didn't know how he died or what had caused his passing in. You're all upset and you're stuck in grief in your Move on because you think about him every day. Then that's so we'll come through in speed or for example if Let's just say that you're at a crossroads. You went through going through a divorce and you know you the houses up for sale. You don't know where to move and you're really hitting tough will. Then you know your Mom Your Dad your love till may come through to offer you some advice but you see the has to be a message since they're not your grandma's GonNa come through just to talk about her Talk about Oh. Everything's finding having you know sipping Martinez by the pool. It's gotTa be a message that's attach and that's the reason why they come through to a medium. So have you ever had like a you know some siblings? And they're all excited to talk to their mother and the mom really only wants to talk to one of them like a really and then the other to get offended or has that ever happened. Yeah it has. It happens all the time at live. Events isn't that the mother doesn't want to talk to them but somebody sibling rivalries. Like I know God forbid if my mother passed me and my sister would be fighting over the reading with the medium. Because that's just you know families don't change personalities don't change so for example. If you know you had two sisters that live out of state in your mom really didn't get a connection with them. Get to talk to them. But then you had this. Your other sister was one that stayed with her by her bedside. Lived with her in the house. You know went food shopping with their head. All these memories with your mom you to know that when you come to the reading your show acknowledge that your knowledge no about maybe living outside. Hey I saw this while you were living away but the main message might be going to that sister who was with her every day and it's not because they love them anymore. It's just that it's just the person who's going through the hardest struggle. Maybe that one sister that was home with with mom while she was passing going through all that is dealing with the hardest. Now I've seen it the other way too. I've seen it we. Are you know there was a woman who came in with her sister and you know the one sister lives with the mother took care of the mother? The Mother did everything with the mother and her other sister lived across the country and didn't get to spend time with their mom and the woman though the sister who lives across the country was the one who got the message. Because she didn't have that she didn't get to have that goodbye. She didn't get to have that connection with her mom. She didn't get to see her cope heartbeat part of her care because his sister was doing everything and she was dealing with such grief and guilt because of that so the Mon- came through and told Jordan that was living at home. Hey you know I know you did all this for me. But today the talk to someone so and then there's times when everybody gets a message you know you don't know how it's going to happen or how it's GonNa work because they choose what they're gonNA say what they're gonNA talk. I can't put words a loved one's mouth. I can't say we'll talk about Auntie. Patty talk about on TV. Show to them just like here in this world. So can you also see like that someone will you know have a child or be or have children or like you will be a mother one day. Can you ever see that about people? Yeah absolutely because on the other side those souls will come through with children so they will come through with Chosen that are about to be born here in this because we actually start our journey from the other side. So what happens? Is that a lot of times. I'll see you know when someone's about to have have a child. They'll show me in heaven a little baby girl little boy he just happened on. You know I was on the TV show daily pop. And I was reading for Chris Cullen. Her Grandmother was integral to the saints. Me Like she's having a baby girl who's having a baby girl and she was. She was having a girl so they do see they do spend time with those souls before they they're born here in this world which is pretty cool so there are so listen entertain. Anything that comes from God goes back to God and we have when anytime you have a child. That is a soul so whether it's a miscarriage whether it's an abortion whether it's a stillborn birth those souls go back to God. I was actually just on the doctors and it was crazy because I went to do a reading in the audience in this woman had lost her mom and her dad and they both came through and then they had this little baby. That was there with them on the other side. And they I was like your mom's with this childish like Oh my God. I can't believe that my mom was with this soul. She's like because we didn't we didn't even know if my mom was pregnant with the solar what. Because you know all I remember is. My Mom told me that there was a baby before me and that was it and you know. Her mom had had a baby that was stillborn before. Didn't get to see the child didn't even get back in those days. I guess times were different She really had never gotten any closer. But then on the other side that was there with her. So yeah that does happen. You know when there have been times when you know unfortunately parents will come to me and sometimes for medical reasons as well their children that have to be aborted. And it's it's really really really sad really sad but the good news is that those souls are still there. You know those souls still watching over us with suicide. Have you ever had someone because you know in studies of Suicide They've said that like there. Was this one thing where they studied these people that all these people that had jumped from this bridge and of the people that lived they later on said as they were going down they. They changed their mind and So have you ever talked to someone that's committed suicide? That is like says that basically like I wish I hadn't done this. I'm okay now but like anything like that. That's that's crazy that's crazy. I've never heard of that before this. This study that you're talking about and that makes a lot of sense that you're saying that matching research this after. I turn up because there have been times many times when souls regret it. They really really do because when they go to the other side they able to see. Oh my God. I could have went to my mom for support. My mom wasn't really mad at me or my dad wasn't really upset or I could have changed this or I could have changed I thought was so bad. Actually there was a solution for it but the saddest thing is is that you know what I've come to realize is that no people passive suicide for different reasons. Another reason could be too in. This has happened where some people have had underlying conditions. One person had had done it because of the fact that he was dying of cancer. Couldn't deal with the pain anymore. No another person had had gone through this because they were going through a mental a disability mental illness where they were dealing with by being bipolar and things like that they would have all these racing thoughts and they just felt that they weren't who they they were so there are different reasons. Why people do it and I think that that brings a lot of comfort to people here because so many times when people passive suicide. We're like was it. Us could I could. I have changed this and you know because I have done something different so go back into contact that person and find the reason why they did what they did can bring a lot of comfort and it also brings comfort sometimes knowing that. Yeah maybe they maybe they would have changed their mind or done. Something Different Yeah that that is really. That is great. I so appreciate you talking to me Everybody go get his book when Heaven Calls. Matt Frazier watched the show. I've only watched a couple episodes. I'm going to catch up on the whole first season. And hopefully you guys will be back soon and who is all on the show. You your fiancee. Who Else me my fiance. My Mom my dad. My sister and her family as well. So it's pretty crazy about where this whole group of us right from Cranston Rhode Island's you know I'm a psychic medium. My fiancee now is a is a pageant queen. She was former Miss Rhode Island team. Usa My mom is a psychic medium. 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How We're Sustaining a Workout Routine While Stuck at Home

No Meat Athlete Radio

40:32 min | 5 months ago

How We're Sustaining a Workout Routine While Stuck at Home

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So it's fun to have both you guys back the two new co host of radio and everybody gets stuck with me again. Og How's everybody doing good? We've been building fences and digging out garden boxes the last couple of days so. I know we're GONNA TALK ABOUT FITNESS. But you know we were getting workout in Bulan pretending productive. Yeah I think that's kind of workout. Oh Yeah Yeah. Sometimes it leads me down like a regrettable paths. Oh no pun intended. I laid a path of stones down to my backyard at the end of last summer. And by the time I was done with it I had like calculated. I transported to tons of stones. Took me like three days of the course of two weekends. It was an absolute nightmare. My back was all messed up so I going into it. I'm like yeah manual labor just like getting a good workout in and then by the end of it. You're like that's yeah. Yeah I always feel that way too but it's always the muscles that you don't use like if I'm working in the garden or something in a hunched over a lot you know come out of that have not feeling like I've had just a work up the next morning I wake up and I'm just so sore. That's good fiber which we've been doing a lot of your work to. I have no doubt that everyone's yard will look more pristine this summer than it has been. They have ever looked or if you just took picture if you did like Google Street view of everyone's yard right now like I feel like the putting their best foot forward. Maybe they should go ahead and do that. The pre pandemic versus post pandemic yards. Pleasantville's yeah I think that's going to be one of those things like these weird consequences of the pandemic that a lot of them are going to be negative. Obviously there's going to be like a whole slew of things I mean. They talk about how people who lived through the Great Depression you know are like thrifty for the rest of their lives right like never one to throw away even a scrap of food on their plate and I feel like some accent. We're going to have our own version of that. I don't know what it'll be like but there's definitely going to be a a generation of people who are different because of this and front yards like you say and Aberdeen Gardens at home. You know I think more people will probably grow in fewer than they've ever grown before and or at least preparing to pay for that in whistler yet probably like three or four weeks. We have a ton of stuff popping up from from seeds. That are lucky this look and so good. I'm I'm feeling so stoked gardens here. Awesome back to the basics right. What are you grow so far? We've got You know it's still early season right to a lot of Greens lead of the Kale and Swiss chard and some things like heart green that can deal with Frost Herbs are already coming up. We've got beans like a snow. Peas beans peas snow peas coming up and carrots. Lots of carrots. So that's about where we are right now. Tomatoes and stuff go in in the next Few weeks in peppers and squash store. That's I know scrambling if we can you know if I can stock up the Pantry? Like we've been talking about for the past several weeks and then just have fresh. Produce coming straight from the garden will be set perfect. I dream living in the Dana Living. The dream exactly so I'm so jealous that because We we obviously live in mountains. I had a great video of a Mountain Lion Walking. Pass my friend during the day. I'll have to share that huge animal. I'm really scared. I in my mind before but now that I see like this thing is a true beast in the literal sense but Yeah the deer are really actually issue. I would plant so much up here but they they're just so many deer and other little animals. Everything can't some of our friends who have bigger gardens that are like more tucked away in the woods? Have deer problem so we don't have that problem at all in town so that's good all right. Well do they really talking about? Yeah and bears black bears but that's more of a trash problem than like a garden probably at least for us so we're GONNA be talking about at home workouts and I think I think all three of us are uniquely. I don't know how you could is uniquely to a Lotta People Position to be talking about this because none of us work a typical nine five job where you're like going into office coming home. We don't have that kind of set schedule set routine of of going to work Because we all work from home and we all work for you know a variety of companies and have somewhat unusual schedules. So so I think we're kind of coming at this slightly different than a lot of people but I think that That'll be good. So maybe we have some lessons. That from some pre quarantine lessons that that people can apply but also like everybody else are situations have changed. Our routines have changed. So we've had to change our workouts as well so talk a little bit about at home workouts and kind of how to how to approach working out when you're when you're working from home so what What pre quarantine. What kind of schedule did you guys have? When it came to you to working out well let me be the first because one of you are going to bring it up and make fun of me but I love multitasking. Exercise and phone calls. I find myself on phone calls a lot of the day and I'm very blessed to have kettlebells and a bench and a bike. The trainer hooked up and I can pretty much. You know I honestly weren't for sound issues. And my respect for our audience. I would be on a bike right now. This is like the only time that I'm not trying to get a workout in so I'll come out and say that it does lead to being out of breath and sometimes I embarrassed myself that reason but I love it. I think it's a great use of time so highly. Highly recommend it. It is very rare that we have conversation when you're not huffing and puffing yesterday Dak pumping up in the kettlebells while we're under call right. Yeah Yeah and that was a special day. I had my shirt off says getting vitamin D. So I was getting triple credit. I was on a call as exercise and and my dose of vitamins. You probably guessed heritage queer that way too with with all that going on your brain is just fire. So I think it's productive more productive to be moving or at least like have moved just before or call then to just be stagnant and sitting there. You know yeah I mean for me like it's actually add a respectful of you from talking to every day. I definitely think better when I am moving or doing something with my hands like if I I can't sit still and stare at a blank wall like my mind will not function and if it does its function on like what's behind the wall and like I just totally lose track of my mind and so you know if I'm not like taking the trash out or doing something random which makes a bunch of noise like I don't know what else to do so swinging kettlebells doing pushups or riding. The bike is Is My way to actually stay focused. So I'm probably a little bit unique in that way. You're the kid in school that was fiddling around with everything in the back of the class all the time. Yeah good student about usually what did your workouts routinely lake past. Couple of. You know like you said that we've all three of us work from home anyway. So it's a bit of a. It's not too much of a change but I think that maybe I'll just go through my little morning. Maybe some people can get a bit of a bit of something out of that because a lot of people aren't used used to working from home and it's like you got to kind of set schedule or else you're just floating around all day not knowing what to do and and then also set a timer to get up every thirty minutes if you're sitting down and just move your body because it's just not get to be stagnant to your body doesn't like that. Get YOU LIKE PUMP. That lymphatic system. Even if it's just a little walk around the block or just around the house just to get that blood flowing is really important and yeah. Obviously standing desk is awesome. That's what I'm doing right now. Any time I talked to you guys. I'm standing sitting. I'm not into pumping the weights or anything. But I'm standing by typically in the morning after waking up and gulping down glass of water go to the bathroom slash face. I'd take a couple minutes to write down a few things grateful for I just to kind of set the tone for the day. I use the five minute journal. We have you ever heard of that. Walk US through. What that is yeah. It's pretty great. It's so simple and you don't actually need it to to do this for yourself but you can write down three things. You're grateful for that day and then three things you're excited for like coming up that day and then one affirmation and that's it and then you just kind of move move towards the day just feeling a little bit more you know. Set in ready for for something in kind of Instead of like I said floating around your your you've got a little bit more of a focus so I find that really helps me Especially as working from home and not having a boss telling you what to do exactly that and then after that. I do some sort of like citations thing that I made up. It's like a three minute. Yoga flow get a crack so many times feel so good and then I top that off with one hundred sit ups if it's a good day or fifty and then I do the rest later when brushing my teeth and then that I do either like an hour of work that I feel like I have to get done or a actually have something called the vibe or if it's it's an oscillating workout plates and it just moves every single muscle fiber in your body and I do ten minutes every day of that and I go through playing spur. Abuse by curls tricep dips lunges and squats and core and it sets for just ten minutes and it turns off so every minute I just change exercises. And it's not really. There's not really like a set thing that I do every day but tends to tends to be like pretty similar. It's only you put you where it's a. It's on the ground and it's it's like a play about two feet by one foot and Yeah it vibrates and vibrates in oscillates. Like a teeter totter just makes everything a little bit more so you can feel for the nineties when those like electrocution came out to like that where it's not. That's that's what I was picturing. Aunt Julia. Now you guys remember those right like like these centers pulses and like. I remember trying to thirteen and little little Chubby. I used to be you know. I think it broke immediately. I think I bought it like a thrift store to Digest I. I did not get a six pack. Actually CHOOSE TO BE TOLD JULIA. I used to have a power plate I think it was called. Yeah Yeah and and those things I mean to describe it. As vibrating is the understatement of the century. I mean and it's like you could lose a tooth because things go. So Sean Wakes you up in the morning that's for sure and Davies for his back because he got a sore back from carpentry in from from that so every morning he just stands on it in Moves everything it gets all those little muscle fibers And then after that. Go around with my dog so in the morning. I kind of get all those things done and then I feel so much better like throughout the rest of the day just knowing that I've done that and then anything else that happens like an afternoon like mountain biking or building fences or digging guard boxes or going for a hike. It's all kind of extra in fine and right. Yeah so that's that's sort of A bit of a routine. I've got going on. Yeah Yeah I think I think that. That's that's very important because especially when you're working from home when you're not leaving the house so when when for example when I worked in an office building in DC had much more of a set kind of work schedule where I'd get up. I would often do my run and then I bite down to where or down the school work. Yeah work bike down to work. Work all day by comb but I got like because I was out of the author or out of the House for nine hours a day. I was easy to kind of plan my workout around that either. Before or after it when you work from home and you can you know literally roll out of bed and fire laptop and start working and be at work which is what everybody. Who's working right now is doing pretty much It's harder to have that kind of dedicated or set a time. That's like abuse and set aside for for working out at least that's what I found when I started working from home so it took setting a schedule like what. You're exactly what you're talking about and having this set aside time every day that That I knew go for my run or do my work out in order for me to get into good flow because otherwise ten o'clock rolls around and you're like oh I haven't run yet. Maybe I'll sneak out for a little bit but then you get a phone call. Mtv's over there like push pumping iron and trying to chat up your ear and you're like I can't run now just by the before you know it. It's it's dinnertime and you haven't haven't gone for your yet. So yeah the days. Get away on easily. That's for sure. Yeah definitely yeah so I found. I found that same thing that if I have a set schedule a much more likely to to stick to it and do it and Oftentimes that morning first thing in the morning and this is it doesn't matter whether you work from home or not That first thing in the morning is often the best time to just go ahead and get it done if you can pull it off with your family obligations and that kind of thing I just because then it's out of the way and in no matter what else comes throughout the day. You never have to worry about whether or not you can. You can get your workout or whatever you know. This is a guy. I don't remember who was. But they coined the phrase like eat the frog in the morning. And it's what you guys are subscribers like do do the hardest thing that you can in the morning which there's a whole story about likewise candy eating a frog and of course we're all Vegan and that's not cool and I'm not advocating for that but the idea is that if you had to eat a frog like first thing in the morning then pretty much the rest of the day is like super easy because like you got through this horrible thing and no matter what happens in the rest of the day. It's all like extra wins you know and so it sounds like all of us subscribe to that idea like I do. I mean this morning right like I wrote an email that like I've been putting off for over a week. 'cause like I know the guys dealing with a crisis because his businesses based around events and you know the like I just really wanted to be sensitive but also like in town that we're here to support them and like I just had been putting it off and like finally got it in and Lo and behold got reply today and like I just feel so good in Allah so. I'm a huge fan of that morning's warnings of the king. Yeah definitely so. Now that we have all had our our situations change Know some of us more than others of course has has your real workout routine shifted at all or are you just basically kind of doing the same thing. You've you've always been doing. Mine's pretty similar. I definitely exploring Hit workouts and kind of online accounts a little bit more. I've personally like mad. Fit on Youtube. She's awesome famous blenders. Good too and I actually asked hooked on plants community like who they're using right now and I got a bunch like Tara stiles draw Straw Yoga. Oh Doug I guess your wife is doing online yoga right And people also said the sweat APP and Nike Training Center Fit. Peleton Kelsey Wells. There's some some stuff for people and I think that like when you find the right person that you kinda you liked following it just it makes it so much more fun and then also to make it fun. It's it's like throwing a podcast when you go run. It doesn't feel like you're going for a run. It feels like it just goes by so fast. Yeah but otherwise no. I haven't really changed too much. Just maybe a little bit. More exploration hit workouts that Met Your goals changed Actually I had. I had been doing so over the last few years I've gone through different phases But never have. I actually joined a gym. I just you know it was kind of on a naturalist streak over the last Better part of a decade and did all body weights and obviously really got into the kettlebells But I was really inspired by Derek. Truce is Who's a no meat athlete? Partners done a lot of our strength programs and I wanted to gain some muscle lost a lot of it after a bike crash a little bit more than six eight months ago now and so I joined twenty four fitness perfect timing because I was able to go all of like fifteen times before Kovic hit and now I have outstanding membership. That's nagging cancel But but my goal was obviously to gain muscle and And as a as both of you know I was eating a tremendous amount of food and actually well no. I think I went thirty times because it was over the course of two months. I gained like thirteen pounds or so a pretty lean muscle and that was really great. I mean obviously not record-setting by any means in terms of the velocity but also only spending maybe forty five minutes in the gym like can't you know couldn't take that much off So I kinda shifted my goals. Now that they didn't have access to the heavy weights to Losing weight and going into more of a cutting phase. I've never done bodybuilding or anything like this really a multi sport athlete in High School. And then pretty much stopped working out in college entirely and now just like you know. Try to stay healthy and and And strong so I don't hurt myself trying to lift my two kids to kids. Joined us but let me tell you strapping and newborn chest and then picking up your thirty pound toddler in all sort of awkward angles is definitely a recipe for injury. So trying to stay stay nimble anyway so over the last six weeks or so. I've lost like ten pounds. Some of it undoubtedly muscle But yeah my weight swings tremendously and I've been doing like really extreme fasting and Saunas and stuff things that I probably wouldn't Recommend to others. I don't know how safe they are my Subaru entertaining for me to experiment Sierra changed changed my goals a little bit. Wow yeah that's like one to the other. Yeah definitely Yup me. Well it's clear inspire. Derrick Derrick size is a someone who's been on the podcast a couple of times and he has put together a few programs him and his wife have put together a few programs for athlete. The Strength Vegans. Drink blueprint and He's been a big part of the at home. Vegan fitness challenge that we have going on right now and of course is beacon muscle and fitness dot com. So I'm glad you're putting inspired by Derek. That's that's one here but for me. My workouts have changed significantly over over the past six weeks mostly due to covet mostly because of time and kind of a different schedule so it used to be that. My daughter went to preschool multiple times a week. First thing in the morning so we had this. Bilton morning schedule where I would get up before everybody else did. Go for my run in the dark. Come home right as she was waking up and kind of get her ready for school and out the door and Now without that without preschool and without child support like we used to have because we are limiting who is coming into the house. It has meant that Katy. Schedules are often a lot more crammed of basically like okay. Now you get work time and I'll be with Elisa and then we swap and so instead of getting up to run in the mornings and waking up early to do work in the mornings and use that as kind of work time so that I can give Katie her time so I think a lot of people are probably dealing especially parents are dealing with that kind of shift in their schedule right now because because everybody's bringing from home because they don't have the schools in the the child care that they may be used to have in the past so I don't really have a good solution because basically I've I'm still very much trying to figure it out but I will share a couple of things that have been doing One is taking advantage of time on conference calls or anytime I can. I can get a few minutes to do things so similar to Madame inspired by mantle and I got a bike trainer and we'll take conference calls on the bike. Just basically stop pedalling when I need to talk and then kind of myself when when I'm going because it is a little bit louder than I think people would want to listen to you. And then squeezing out different squads are just kind of different ten minute interval hit sets just to get the blood flowing and kind of get a little bit of strength workout in whenever. I can get squeezed in a little break and that that happens both like throughout the workday but then also you like Elisa loves it when she's taking bath and I'm doing pushups next to the bathroom or something like that. She always cheer me on. And so we have a good time so basically anytime. I have like ten minutes to do something. I'm trying to knock it out and then runs. I mean honestly I've significantly cut back on the amount of my house. I'm doing I haven't quite figured out how to do that yet. But you know again. It's it's kind of working with with. Katie to find a time that works for both of us to get out for an hour to and that's after she's gone to bed so in the evenings last night yeah headed out for ninety minutes eight. Pm or something like that just to try to get it in. Whenever I can and again take advantage of of the moments that I do have to get the blood flowing and and get a bit of strengthen but I'm hopeful that this doesn't last too long or too much longer you know. I know that no one wants to rush it. That's for sure I'm the first to say that but I'm hoping that we can kind of get into a state over the next few months where we're everyone is getting back into somewhat of a normal schedule. I love that talking about like getting. It really can enduring five minutes here and there because you know it's probably even better to do that. Of course it's good to get a workout in everyday like thirty minute. Forty five minute workout. But I think it might be even more important to focus on making sure you're getting movement throughout Your Day Utah. You look at the blue zones and they're all about moving throughout the day doing little things all throughout the day and constantly just keeping your blood flowing your body moving and yes. I think that's really important to five squads right now. I'm GONNA do it. Do it. Remembers listening all right so how how about. I did a sun salutation while Douglas. Feeding 'cause I heard what you haven't shushed up my spine did. Maybe we do need start filming these just to see what we all do. Offer chatting to anyone in the audience would like to watch a youtube version of this ridiculousness. Please you know you know instagram Julia. What what does the phrase don't don't tweet us because we're not very active on twitter. Maybe something will change. Could connect with us on instagram. 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I mean the list goes on and on if you want to learn more go check out. Love Compliment Dot Com and if you use the code. Nma tribe animated T R. I B E. You can get ten dollars off any purchase. How they did good pets. Yeah that was. That was great. That was very good. I have to say too. I do love compliment due to take it. Every day and complement protein Biz in families smoothies every morning the protein in particular. I will say you know. I think we hit it out of the park with that one. I I won't go into. Why the transparency the ingredients attesting and everything protein powders. I think we've all been there done that and know about how crazy that industry is and so. I'm really pleased by that one. She said it was a good way to way to sneak. In an extra pitch. They're like it all right. So before we wrap up I think that a lot of people are feeling with with so much kind of just uneasiness about everything and then racist getting cancelled and group runs. Getting cancelled gyms getting closed. You know all the stuff I get this sense that a lot of people are struggling with motivation or trails are close. All my trials are are closed. Some stuck like running the road every day which is definitely not nearly as fun as as you know my normal routine. I think people are kind of struggling to get the motivation to have any sort of consistency or at least at least a plan for what to do because because they don't have that that thing to train for what. What advice would you guys give? People who are who are struggling with motivation to start working out right now Maybe advice or or like a single piece of tip a single tip that they could you know. Start using. I'm putting you on the spot. We did not talk about this time so I think you're right because there's you know usually there's so many blockers in your mind when you're starting something new if you WanNa go for a run. There's just like so many excuses that pop up in your mind and I think that instead of over thinking of it over instead of over thinking it just to start somewhere and and like you said like trails are closed. That's a whole other blocker and it's hard to just get that motivation to go and there's all these things that are saying no in your mind so I think that number one pick something that you actually enjoy doing and can see can stay consistent with and and if you are starting from nowhere than you might have to try a bunch of different things and that's great too. It's good have like variety of stuff that you're doing for your body but what you actually like doing stick with that consistently even if it's just a couple of minutes a day and then adamant it onto that every day and if it's if it's starting from nowhere to put your shoes on you know and and then walk out the door and then come back inside and it's like okay. I got my shoes on. I walked out the door and came back inside. That's a win. And then each day you'll get more and more excited to actually do it and and also listen to podcasts. If you're if you're doing like a long run or a long bike rided snakes things so much more enjoyable. I find or you know good Nick Circuit Song or something like that. Yeah I think that's Great Matt. Got Anything Julius so much better. I'm like hesitant to even up. I'll offered to because I think everyone's motivations are so individualized and so there's some people who are more motivated by the negative and some positive so on the negative friend. If you're worried about Cova did. The good news is for for many of us that it really doesn't seem to be as deadly for just your generic healthy individual campaigning another doctor etc but but really the tragic thing is that what we're seeing is the people with the CO morbidity as like obesity and diabetes and heart disease. That are really struggling with this. So if there was ever a motivation to get healthy it should be this pandemic and like reminding you that that you know being healthy through and through is the best protection at the end of the day. So if you're more negative oriented toward motivations. Maybe that'll help. You get started on a more positive totally. Good Juliet like I you know me. There's nothing better than just like starting with ten pushups and like if you create calendar like I actually have paper calendars don't currently but whenever I'm a habit and like I'll draw an X. Through the date that I did the one thing that I was going to do and I picked it up from Jerry Seinfeld who told jokes every day like when you draw that acts and you create that chain like all of a sudden you're like seven days any like oh I gotta get to eight. Then you're like eighteen days and and you know you just feel that pressure you're like oh I can't break the chain. I don't want to have that that doughnut hole in the middle of my calendars. I'M GONNA do my fifteen minute ride and get it other way and by the time you head twenty thirty days like it just becomes a part of your identity your someone who runs every single day. You're someone who does one hundred situps like Julia Murray every morning which is ridiculous. Julie I don't. I don't know how you do that but I'm going to have to talk about that later so so anyway. I think whatever it is posted on the wall. You Know Cross marks on a calendars something. I've heard pennies in a jar. Beaned Jarvis into might not have many pennies around and then if you break it you dumped the jar out and you're looking at an empty jar but eventually get a couple layers of beans in that jar and you're like. I'm not breaking this so tricking yourself. With some of those habits I think is a really strong way to get that initial momentum and then eventually it just becomes part of your identity like that. Yeah I love that definitely. Just start somewhere and I love the beans. I love why not just cow with beans except for maybe less. They're all out in the grocery store and then took him so so. Iowa the counter thing for drinking alcohol because I am not a big drinker. I have been in the past not any sort of negative sense but it doesn't make me feel good and always fine and so it's something that I've always tried to do and I've done the bean thing Julia and I can't tell you how demoralizing it is if you go a whole month without drinking whatever your have it is and you've got like this thirty beans and your Little Cup next to my like sank or something whatever it was and then report and so much harder to start up again do it. You get like this. I five beans like you rolling. Yeah look at being as being so motivating I think. Yeah I mean the visual thing is is really is really big Matt Frazier with his his New Year's resolution of of doing something enjoyable every day or for himself every day in the paper clip in cop type thing. It's kind of visualization. I think is is really good. All right so my tip is to is to set. That's already talked about but have some sort of dedicated time and routine in this moment when all of our teams are messed up. Some sort of routine or schedule that you can you can follow I think is a is both motivating because you know if you have this time blocked out every day events reason to do it but also kind of provides that opportunity for you to have an excuse to get out and leave so. That's probably my piece of rice and the thing that I've come to enjoy doing is on the bike trainer watching watch binge watching Netflix book on the trainers of just be sitting there watching something anyway might as well be on the bike getting exercise into asking. Well before before I forget your Earth Day. Everybody can start with that other. I guess this'll be the day after that. You're listening. But but thanks for. Thanks for joining US skies. This was fun. Yeah thank you. Thank you bye everybody far away all going to be like an understanding here those by all right all right goodbye. Everybody thinks her. Thanks thanks for listening. And we'll see you next week

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Mark Bell's Power Project EP. 188 - Arnold Classic Wrap Up, the Documentary Transformer and Insecurities

Mark Bell's Power Project

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Mark Bell's Power Project EP. 188 - Arnold Classic Wrap Up, the Documentary Transformer and Insecurities

"You ever go against someone? That's just I mean is probably uncommon. Because you're in a pretty structured environment. But you ever just go against peop- like some people that are just fucking crazy. People that are crazy. Maybe like super unorthodox and just have a ton of energy. Yeah. Yeah. Have if it's ever because I like when I roll with upper belts. Right. We're going at each other. So it's like, they're crazy. But they do the put a lot of energy for it. But it controlled it can get a little heated to write it can get heated. But it's still like it's still controlled. Because like they under like, you know, you're trying to tap each other at one hundred percent, you know, trying to hurt each other at the same time. But yeah, trying to go as hard as you can you. But when you roll with like a white belt, right? And it usually tends to be maybe bigger white belts that they don't have much experience rolling. So since they don't have much experience. They're doing a lot or just crazy stuff. That's when you can you'll you probably run into some some like crazy unorthodox become buddy might get hurt. Yes. Somebody might get hurt. And it's pro. It could be them because a lot of times also wipe out somehow to escape stuff. So you'll be doing something and they'll escape the wrong way, which will make it tighter. And you kind of let go because if they don't escape the right way, they could hurt themselves. So it's usually guys that are newer that you tend to run into the crazy stuff or or people that are new coming to your school. That are like let's say they are an upper belt, but they want to size up a little bit. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then they'll they'll they'll come with some heat like some on maybe some unnecessary heat. I was I was boxing. That was a hard thing to deal with is like, you know, I learned a lot of technique. And I wasn't like, you know, it wasn't so good that I was like this polished veteran or anything. So, you know, I'm sure if I was and I if I did it longer than I could probably figure out a way to deal with anybody. But you know, as two or three years in, and I you know, practiced quite a bit put a lot of time into it. But every once in a while you go against someone just nutty and they would throw. Oh, like unorthodox punches. And they were just for lack of a better term just kind of a crack it, and he just you like we're like damn I'm not. And then even when you hit them you like I like, I hit the guy pretty good. And I'm able to throw some pretty good shots. I'm like, I don't even think that bothered him. I think. I don't think that hurt him at all like now what the hell do I do? And then they also they just just had endless amounts of energy. So like, the stamina side of things was kinda crazy too. I was like is hard to figure out like, what am I gonna do against this guy? He's like, he's not south Paul. And he's not, you know, he's not he's not left handed right handed. He's just like fighting whatever way he can. And he's he's like in a fight. I think that's kind of the difference in this jitsu get that way. Sometimes where it's like a like a fight. Or is it pretty like was it more tactical? It. No it gets that way. But it's extremely I think it's extremely tact. Cool all the time. Whenever you're you're rolling with people that have experienced just because there's so many different things. I'm not saying like with boxing there isn't. But would you get sue like there's so many different positions? And I mean, if you're going at like one hundred percent the whole match I it gets kind of difficult to do that. Because like if you're if someone has you mounted and for people that don't know like mounted is when they're on top of you. You can't be wasting all of your energy, you know, trying to break out of that mount, especially if they have you pin down a position, you gotta wait for specific opening in a specific small to second period where you can break out of it. So it it can be at one hundred percent, but it's super tactical. So even even if someone is even if someone is going crazy, you would recognize it and be like, I'm just going to wait for this to pass because there's kind of like holds indigents who has opposed to boxing where? Yeah, you can kinda like in. And you can get close to each other and hug each other and things like that. But it's way different now like if I was on top, and I'm just trying to Donkey Kong and trying to act all wild to try to sneak in a cheap victory or whatever. You would just be like, okay. We'll marks not that experienced. And I'm just gonna kinda hang here and wait for an opening. He'll probably get tired. Yeah. And you you're going to kind of what like keep poking around and seeing where there might be like an opening right? Exactly a lot that. That's how a lot of it happens. Like, so even though I'm out of control, you're still controlled enough. And eventually the fight will be controlled. And I'll probably end up being controlled by over. Exactly a lot of that. That is a lot of what I do. And a lot of what I see a lot of other people do introduce to like there's certain parts of the fight where it's back and forth. A you know, just a lot of back and forth. But there's certain parts where you'll just have to. I'll just have to chill if I'm in a bad position. I'm just gonna have to tell for a little bit, and wait, and wait and wait. And then boom, there's a moment I can go, and then I can go. But yeah, it's that that's just it's super tactical. That's why it's really that's why people call it like a chess game because you know, there's this there's the scrambling portion of it. Then there's one person. Gets into certain positions. Like they hold for awhile. And looks like nothing's going on. But there is a lot going on. But that's also why I think it's sometimes it's difficult for it to be a spectator sport. I don't know if I don't know if you've ever watched any recent jujitsu, but a lot of Nogi jujitsu that's Nobis when you know, they're not wearing the or whatever, you know, they're wearing like spandex the the leg lot game is super popular now. So, you know, tapping people from the knees and ankles, but that should so boring to watch. And it's just it's it. It takes away from the spectator aspect of the sport. But yeah, it it it it's it's super tactical. Why think after modern even think I'm just going to do it? You know after this bench me, April seventh hopefully the week after all I'll pop in and try some jujitsu. Maybe I'll go over to your place in. Try it out. I something I've been wanting to do for a long time. And I I did it when I was younger, but I only did it for just a couple of weeks. And I didn't really I didn't know what I was doing or anything. But it's something I'd like to get into more. And I just I need to I just need to switch gears. I need to like do something different. And I've tried to do some different things, and I have pretty much failed. Miserably I always get pulled back into powerlifting, which will probably always happen by my whole life. It's just kind of part of who. I am. But. I'd like to try some different things, and I'd like to, you know, still work on being more mobile and and stuff like that. And I think to jitsu would be fun. It would be. That you'd have no problem with this. But man, you've got to be patient, especially when you start out because like there's there's so much. It takes a really long time to learn stuff. And even when it comes to e you would figure on a on a physical level you'd figure that I would adapt to those things pretty quickly. But when it comes to that it still takes me a lot of figuring because I remember jujitsu, I mean shit. It was like it was like doing like long division. You know, it was like doing these really hard math problems where it wasn't. You know, just addition and subtraction. There was a lot of steps that were involved in like getting these different locks or getting out of something. And then you know, gaining position. So I would get someone like halfway into something. And I was like I don't remember what the fuck else do. Yeah. And I would just like hold onto something. And I'm like a high for you know, the time has passed now the guys now, we're three moves into something totally different. You know, Casio says it's called the invisible technique. There's. There's a way to do something. And then through these all these little small intangibles that you don't realize until you can until you really know what you're doing. They know while the thumb action needs to be facing up for me to arm bar, the sky in an easier fashion. It's it's really really really cool. But that's the thing. It's like, it's really complicated. Some of its really simple like if I can just make this guy squirm and make this guy like being pain, and I can probably get him in whatever hold I want. So that's when you dig your elbows knees into somebody that some of the more simple stuff. But that's not even really commonsense right here. Check out this mobility, trying to figure out how to move my hips. I'm like how did he do that? When was this? This was when we went to on it about two years ago a year and a half someone you told me about where like it goes out. Yeah. Yeah. And the other guy was like rolling with me and Kyle get pissed off at the game and stuff. Yeah. Anyway, we just came back from the Arnold classic. And we had an amazing time out there in Columbus, Ohio amazing to get out there with the team and amazing to get out there. You know? And you know, it's it's like freezing cold out there. It's snowing and all that stuff, and it's just so much fun to meet so many different people and meet so many fans of this show meet so many fans of super training and of slingshot, and it was it's a lot of work. But you know, those trade shows are always something I'm always trying to figure out how to improve upon. How do we make these better? But when I think about the amount of money and the amount of time and effort that goes into it. You know, I I can't help. But like reflect back and think man, it really doesn't matter. What it cost or how much time it takes? And it doesn't matter. How many people we have to bring because it's worth it. Because of the fans, you know, we meet some of these people that have these incredible stories, I met countless. People that have been inspired by this show. I met a number of people that lost one hundred pounds a minute number of people lost thirty pounds. I'm in another a lot of people that were just starting. They're like, hey, man. I got your book got the war on carbs. And I'm just getting started. I met a lot of people that said that I got him into powerlifting which that never gets old. I can hear that all day long. That makes me feel amazing because it makes me think back. To who got me into powerlifting, which was at cone, which edco now just hangs out. You know, he's just like hanging out. Now like, this is this is like Michael Jordan dislike randomly hanging out with the you know, some kid that got inspired to play basketball from him. You know, it's the equivalent for me. I'm always so excited to see him. I always wish I had more time to even chat with them. Because at those shows things get a little a little crazy. But the response from the fans was at an all time high like even just trying to leave the booth and trying to get somewhere starting to become more and more of challenging and once I get recognized by one person than it's kind of like game on and I I kind of get swarmed which is a good feeling. It's all it's all very positive. I didn't have any any negative interactions at all, you know, it is kind of weird. You know, you're trying to like do certain things or go to the bathroom or. And I I've learned like, you know, I have my own time. And then I have time to meet fan. So, you know, some people that I may have passed I apologize. I just simply don't have time to stop for every single person. And I try my best to make time. But I've just I've always wondered, you know, when I was a kid and like a baseball player would say no sorry kid. I'm telling you know, I was always like man what a dick. Yeah. Now. I I mean, you know, if a little kid you should always stop for a little kid. But now, I kind of understand it makes a lot more sense. You literally don't have you just do not have time to do that twenty four seven. But it was outstanding. A lot of fun. I feel terrible. Because I wish I could remember his name. But somebody was waiting in line. You know, just like everybody else. He got right up to the front, and that's right. Win team. Cupcake powerlifting was in there. Those like, oh, hey, more check it out. And then so he has tat, and I'm taking pictures and is here Andrew do. What the heck? And I'm like what what's what's wrong? He's like I was about to meet Mark. And you pull them away shit. You let me go get them. And then you know, like that's when Charles glass showed up and just like one after another somebody kept coming back. I was like Charles last came with the lady so that was distract. Yeah. And so I just I looked back and the kid was gone. So dude, sorry, man. Podcast feedback was really into like talking about like how much there. I enjoy the nutrition information from it, which is cool. Yeah. So it was it was really fun meeting. Everybody wild, right? It's so cool. I mean, I got from this room and blast out to someone in Michigan. And yeah. Or like I met some fans from Canada. Just like, yeah. We came in we hope for the Arnold reception up there. I guess they do now. Maybe it's a new thing because the natty professor fick fixed crank. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got extra wattage now. But yeah, couple came up to pictures with them. And they'll just like do you like the? Yeah. It's like what the hell like what's going on here? This is crazy, but it was super cool. Yeah. Have you signed any autographs yet? No, no. I did not. But you've taken pictures with people and I punched to do. No good. Yeah. That happen. So. Did he get turned on from it? No. You got kind of upset. No, I always helping him with elbow sleeves. And so was like. Push it up his elbow and then getting stronger now. So you got to be, you know, so as yeah. As I'm I'm lifting up in over it's slipping Wham just right in his mouth. I was like an uppercut. Yeah. To not not like like, a proper uppercut, but just like a up word punch, EBay worse. And I was like oh shit. He didn't buy them. I don't know. Why? So I was upset that I didn't make the CEO like there's a lot more punches where that came from you fucking sleep. Yeah. I was pretty upset that union by them. But I would imagine he was pretty pissed off that he got punched bunch grass. Yeah. But other than that. I didn't punch back. No, no. So all I did in the booth would just piss people off and crush people's dreams meeting. Mark. That's all I did. A lot of people are getting pumps this weekend with that press. Yeah. The gym browse what's challenge. There's no challenge. It's just the try to slingshot ward. I gotta do to win it. There's no contest, dude. Just get into here. We'll do it makes it harder to bench. Right. Yeah. There's a lot of that too. Like oh God. Yeah. Shout out to Matt winning for bringing. And that's that was a nice bench set up that we had in there. And it was great to kind of go back to the basics. That's nothing. We used to do you have a bench in the booth and then we stopped doing that for a while. Because we figured enough people have seen the slingshot. But there's so many more people in fitness. I mean, I can't even try to put a number on it. But it seemed like it seemed like three years ago, we reached most of the people that we thought we would reach and we reached most of the people in like the strength community. But you know, now, there's so many more people have jumped in that. We're we're not even close to averaging everybody. There's a lot of people that came in never seen the product before. And it's great to get them to actually try and actually feel it. No, I was really surprised because like a lot of dudes. No, they have seen this before like, a friend of mine has. But I don't know what it's used for him. Like, wow, you still haven't use slingshots. So whenever you see somebody's face though, when they hop on the bench with slingshot on like. Oh my God. This is this is it's it's really cool. You know, it it's that's pretty. Yeah. I helped a girl she she had never tried it on either or tried the slingshot out. And so I go to her friend. I was like, hey, do you wanna try one two? And she said, oh, no. I got one. Well, why don't you let your friend use it? Yeah. I think they lived in different areas. But like she's like, yes, she has no idea what it is. And what it does. So I wanted to try out. Okay. Well, that's cool because then it's like referral. Yeah. She did buy it. Everybody's share slingshot with a friend that doesn't have one. It just do it shows slingshot and his podcast. Or simple. You can do what employees of this company of done before. You can use a pair of gangsta rap sa- get a little something something from the lady. That's right. And yeah, that's how. In this. Names out to name somebody associated with the company may have you know, like that was like the icebreaker was like here's a gangster round. They use their street cred. And then some street cred. And then. What happens at the Arnold? Sometimes should stay at the Arnold. This one cousin was all into that to my cousin was all into like getting the fragmented ladies from the popularity of the booth. He was like Iran some pretty hot chick. And he's like they asked me if I knew you like I'm his cousin. They were like really, oh, what do you do? I was like damn I'm like, hey, man, like four. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That wave. Rave of yo wave of yoga pants. A lot of yoga pants. I didn't notice man now. Now, they do not know. I know that everyone in the ice to. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, keep you know, I it was totally normal super fun. Really Jesse Burke said that he's like I just wanna go up to some of these girls and say, listen, I appreciate the full view of your vagina in these high waisted. He call them high waisted vagina pants. I was like that's what they should be. They should just be called that. Yeah. It's like these like, they know they know like, you can do they know we can see everything. Yeah. Yeah. So so sure they totally. No. Yeah. There was the they don't have a mirror checking themselves out before they leave take fourteen pictures. Right. Oh, yeah. There was the chicks. I were bouncing up and down on those like springing other things. I'm like you can only do that here at an expo. Yeah. Outside of an expert. You're kind of an asshole if you're jumping around on these things, and he's like, you can see that girls asshole. When she jumps up. So bad. Great Expos have the most interesting clothing, especially especially the bodybuilding won the Olympia that and that's where you see some wild shit because like they're all physique, athletes and everyone's wearing the most minimal amount of clothing, they can manage show banking. Yeah. It's wild. It's wild. It's amazing though because someone will have a stringer tank and they'll be like five five and they'll be like one forty and you're like. Have you not seen the other people walking around? I mean, there's professional bodybuilders walking around you should cover up a little bit more doesn't really not work in that. Well for you. You do for the culture, man. It's it's not for how you look. It's because you're no, you're not bodybuilding experience for the culture at that point. Yeah. And then some of the boots just have people just wearing paint almost that are pasties. Yeah. Yeah. That those were pretty cool, and then do the SE bang what they were there. How can you miss my God that was a headache to that was that was a party? For like ten hours every day for three days straight. Hardly do it. Yeah. They had a lot of bang energy. There were legit people. Like there was a crowd of people like dancing and stuff in front of their booth because like that guy on stage, and it was a whole on thing. But that was my God. That was so stupid. I'm like, I think it's brilliant smart. I think it's great it goes along with the goes along with the product that they have that they made they made a lot of noise. Yeah. Jesse was like I dare you to walk down this aisle straight through all the way to the end in back. He's like you can't stop until you get to the end. And like what is he talking about? And then also case I got close to the bang booth. And I was like I can't get through. There's no way like there's just too much going on good for them. It's complicated for those big companies. You know, they need to spend a lot of money. I mean, they had science pisses. Okay. But I don't think they were even selling anything. I think they're just giving stuff away. Yeah. Thanks. So the the CEO bang crowd surfed like shit. There was enough people to do that for sure. Yeah. Was I mean, they had signs everywhere though, like the entire plane has they got some they have that red line ship man that like anyone that loves pre-workout? They always talk about much love pre workout how intense they love the pre workout to be or how strongly love their coffee to be. And then you mentioned Redline. They're like, oh, no, no, no. I don't fuck with that. No, no, no. I'm not gonna mess with that one homeless caffeine's in that have never had a red. I'm not sure. But like it tells you it tells you to only drink half. Yeah. And it's a good recommendation anything that tells you only drink half of this is not a good idea. What about those crate him extracts? Everybody was high as. I. I think it would have been the second day on the second day. Professor was so happy about Jessica was like oh shit. I'm high. Like when you when it hits you. That was like super concerning for me because I'm like I talked to his name was Tom at the urban is booth. And he's like how many how many capsules do you normally take? I'm like just like one to two I don't really like, you know, get much out of it. And then so he's like, okay, don't take more than half. And as you said that all I can see his insieme taken a whole like bottle. I can see Jessica taking off. Yeah. And then so like, so I'm like I got back to our booth. And I'm like, whatever you I don't want to be with. I'm going to take the whole thing took the whole thing felt nothing. It's like damn do. Maybe I take way more than I like lead on slow hit. But then I did the next day, and who I felt it. So for some reason the first day didn't feel nothing second Dail. Like, I was I was a chatty. Cathy. Anyway, they came up to the booth out is how you guys doing enjoying the like didn't even care about making the sale or anything. It's just like going. Did you have an offie stomach that I stay or not I believe both days at empty stomach? Yeah. That first day. Yeah. No. I I took it had an empty stomach are they had some coffee and for like thirty thirty five minutes like feeling anything. And then it's legit. It's like. Is open and you're just like. Also. It was so good though. It wasn't even like I still, you know, talking to everybody. But I was just like, hey. Good feeling. It's weird. How long it takes? Yeah. That's the weird thing about crate him. You know takes like thirty minutes. Sometimes it takes forty minutes. Yeah. And then if you have any food in your stomach, it might take like an hour hit you or might not even hit you at all. So it's it can be unpredictable a little bit. But when you when you haven't on empty stomach usually feel it pretty good. Yeah. Jesse took it and he said he didn't feel anything either. But me and just just took the whole bottle. And we were we were we were good nice some good stuff, but we you know at the Arnold. We also got to watch some strong men, and I got to watch Hathor Bjornson kicks them acid again on leave -able. He's just a absolute monster. Keep seemed like he just keeps getting bigger seems like he keeps getting better. Unfortunately, I boy Brian Shaw ended up getting a hamstring injury on the on a dead lift, and it gets to be really hard because you're in direct competition with these other athletes, and so it's really hard to stay in your lane. It's hard to like, you know, like, Bryan probably shouldn't have. Took that dead. How do you not? 'cause like that deadly would have put him ahead of Thor. And then Thor would have had to make his third attempt deadlocked, which would she was probably gonna make anyway. But you know, how do you not how do you not compete as hard as you can you. How do you leave something on the table? But at the same time with five events, it probably makes sense to leave something on the table for every event except for maybe the last one right and to try to pick up points and to try to be really strategic. It's so easy to say. The after the fact so easy to say that. Oh, yeah. I should do it this way. Yeah. But unfortunately, Brian ended up you know, pulling a hamstring. I think with like a thousand fifty. He he he nailed the thousand twenty one. And then the next one the thousand fifty or things like even thousand forty nine or something because the kilos they couldn't quite get it, right? But yeah, that's when he and it's so frustrating because it's like he could have foregone is that how you set. Okay. Skipped it it could've skipped it. And he still would have been second store MRs next one. But you're right. How do you know like you? You do not know it's impossible. Well, then Thor also took like a huge jump because he tried that eleven oh to which wouldn't have if Brian would've made his. No, China jockey for position and everything. But. Whatever the case is there. It was pretty amazing to be that up close to the action into watch. These guys do what they do best. Brian Shaw has been competing at a high level for probably about twelve years. Maybe a little bit longer, and then this was his tenth Arnold. I think in a row his tenth Arnold in a row, and he's one of few of them as well. I want to say that he's one probably at least three or four of them. And in one year, he won the strong world's strongest, man. That's a great shot. Right. There were end. I'm ryan. Right now, Thors got the upper hand, and Brian, you know, has his back to the wall because Thor or has won the world's strongest, man. He's won the Arnold. I think he might have one world's strongest man, he may have one. We'll try to spend twice. I know. He won the Arnold twice in a row. I think he only one world servicemen. Once you saw the you probably right. Yeah. But he won the Arnold last year. Then he world's strongest man, and then he wanted to Arnold this year. And now they're going into world strongest man, again, which I think is probably ten twelve weeks away from now and ended up having I had some really just wild conversations in the booth with with many different people during the show like stuff that like stuff that takes time to recover from like because the emotion of some of the conversations I had with people some of these things, and I'm like fuck man, I need to like go somewhere by myself for like ten minutes because you know, people are. Telling me about like deaths in the family and people were telling me about how they had, you know, addictions to drugs or alcohol or all these different things. And it just gets to be it gets to be overwhelming. But my favorite conversation. Of the weekend was with Brian Shaw. Or he, and I had a very real conversation about family and about you know, what he's trying to do. And you know, his his goal to be rolled Shamas man again and to be back on top. And Jessica Smith was actually standing right there for a lot of these conversations. I thought was great because Jessica's really young. And she gets the kinda here these these conversations that are that are deep that are at these things matter, and these things are they're way different than anything just about like lifting weights or just about losing ten pounds of body fat or anything like that. And the conversation I had with Brian Shaw was basically. Like, I just think in order for you to do what you need to do next which is beat Thor. I think the only way that that's going to happen is if you just try something different, you know, not so much with the training. But just maybe take some time off, you know, take a couple of weeks and just don't lift maybe just it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to like. Hey, man. Just relax. You know, you you lose a tournament in jujitsu. It's easy for your coach come over and say, hey, you know, what I think he's take like two months off you'd be like, no man, I'm back to training tomorrow because you're so hungry for it. But I think in this case, especially when you've been doing something for so long. It's time to shift gears a little bit and just give yourself some time to reflect give your body mind and spirit, some time to recover. So my advice, and you know, hopefully, hopefully takes it to heart. My advice. Brian was just, you know, take take a couple of weeks off. Reevaluate where you're at and be open and accepting of the fact that. Maybe maybe it'd be a good idea to forgo world's strongest man for this year, which is like impossible for a guy like that to do. He's been there the last X amount of years. He's, you know, super excited about you know, being on top. And I'm sure when world's strongest man comes around help his hamstring pry feel better who probably feel strong. But I feel like if he just gives himself time that that time will allow his body mind spirit he'll enough to where he can come back and win another world strongest man, and you'll be able to attack with more vigor. It's like I mean, I don't wanna even can't use this comparison. But when you thinking of a power lifter that's competing every single year. It's not taking much time between competitions. You know? Usually you see that from the higher level because maybe they know that they don't need that much time to increase the small amounts of strength. But when you've been on top like Shah's, man, he's won four times. Right. Even competing for so long that little break might allow you. To come back next year so much stronger. But it like you mentioned it is super hard for a competitor. That's there all the time. And is the top guy all the time to just be like, okay, I'll be out. But I'll be back. You know? I I don't doubt that he has the hundred percent capacity to just leave for a little bit and come back much stronger, if he gives themselves some rest, but I think what's going to take even more Kurd is actually doing that. I think it's I feel I can take more strength for him to not compete than it will for him to compete. Yeah. Because he he's so used to compete, and it's like it's in him that walking away just for a little bit. I that's going to be the hardest thing and degrade picture Andrew. Yeah. Thank you. Did you take that injury? Took all these pictures like. Wow. That s that is that's really sick. I saw it. And I I it took me about fifty shots to get it right though. Yeah. No. You nailed it. That's being being a part of all this like it's crazy like. Like Chris Griffin. And I you know, we had media passes. But that doesn't mean that they're going to just roll out the red carpet for you. You have to bulldoze your way to get into like the like media pit, basically. And every every time it's like, dude. How are we gonna do this? And then we figured out. I just get right behind Chris. And we just keep pushing. And then we always end up writing of exciting, right? I it's it's yeah, dude. And then like we ended up right in the front, and it's like, oh my gosh. Do you like I can't believe we're here. Again, you guys were front and center. Yeah. You were like, right. He's right in in the middle awesome. Yeah. So I mean, and that's just that comes with like the experience of going there like this last three years in a row now. But you know, it just it sucks, man. I I hate seeing Shaw get hurt. But then seeing Thawra go crazy is like home. I gosh. And not that he didn't have my respect already. But when Thor went for the the world record or whatever on elephant bar here. D had everything in the bag. Yeah. He could have saved all his energy. And he could've went in. Just like I'm going to just go to the next event gonna forego this, and he went for, and you know, anything could happen. And I I know there was like a fifty thousand dollar check on the line. But like he would have tried it either way. Probably. Yeah. Exactly. And then it's like dude like man that the risk reward. It's like he doesn't care. He's gonna go for it. Yeah. And so it's like, you know, the respect I already had it's just like through the roof. It was so sick. And then just like I said just to be there here the crowd behind you because you're right in the middle. So you hear all sides coming right towards the state. And it's just like oh my gosh. Like, this is crazy. And you know, because I'm taking pictures. It's it's silly. But you know, it's it's it's really cool. Frustrating thing is people have better seats than me are just on their phones. That's because the whole expo like I was at the booth, but like whenever they were on the elephant doing the lifts the whole expo pretty much stopped guest starred lily at the screen and just hear everything die down and everyone staring at that screen. Yeah. I was pretty crazy. But, you know, more about basketball than I do, obviously when Jordan left I think he left for what two years to play golf or something. Yeah. When he played baseball baseball. There. We go baseball when he came back. Did he did he win anymore championships or anything you did not saying the same athlete, but it's very possible especially because like even though Shah's is older. It's not like athletically, like he still has that capacity. You know what I mean? It's not like he's age is taking its toll on a mischievous. Like, you know, he could really just like take a little bit keep training. You know, take a little bit of arrest in terms of that come back kill it. And be right back on top. I really feel like you could do that. But this is just coming from your average athletes. We're not we're not a of that of that caliber. That's for sure. Yeah. You know? It's it's it was amazing to watch the world go for that Lebano to dead lift which would have been an all-time world record dead lift in in to try to compare that to anything in another sport is actually really hard because it's like. I don't even know an analogy. Like, it just doesn't make any sense to like roll the dice with such a dangerous thing, you know, like if you were to. If you're in competition, you know in a track meet or something like that. And they said, okay, you can go for this because this'll be all time we'll record. But you already won a gold medal. It would be. I mean, I I don't think anybody would choose to do it. You know, like in most cases. And and to really watch these guys, you know, pour so much into it was was really was really crazy and Thors just, you know, he's just going after you know, things that he thinks will make them great. You know, he's trying to be not just good. He's trying to be great. And he's trying to not only be great was trying to be one of the greatest of all time, and he's starting to definitely kind of fit into that category. But yeah that conversation with Brian was great. And you know, he, and I went back and forth and stuff we talked a lot about family. He's got two very very young children. He has an infant an infant, son. And I think his other son is maybe like three or something. Braxton. Right. And so, you know, not to make excuses for the guy. I'm sure Thor has tons of responsibilities as well. But being married with children is is is another aspect of the game that that has to be kind of factored in there. And so that's that's part of the reason why I mentioned, you know, maybe taking some time off maybe reevaluating, maybe some conversation with the WI fi about like, what is this? You know, when we go for this next year. What does this look like, you know, Brian mentioned how you know at the Arnold. He's been there. Ten years in a row and how he doesn't feel like he always gets treated. Well, it's like, well you've been there ten years in a row, and the likelihood of that changing this probably low, so because you know, that you either a do no longer compete in the world's strongest man or be you think about a different way to approach the. A different way to go to the event, you know, those kind of things so you you kind of prep yourself for conditions that may be that you don't feel our ideal or you just completely remove yourself from it and say, you know, I'm just not even gonna I already have negative connotations going in. And I don't know how to get rid of them. So I'm just not going to go. Again, that'd be hard. Yeah. Yeah. At the Arnold again. That would be a tough thing to do. But. To me. It makes it makes some sense, you know, and it would. But it's probably too hard to do because then people are going to say, yeah, he's probably not showing up because or beat him lash. You know what I mean? And they gotta deal with a whole 'nother side of things, but I really do think taking some time to kind of reevaluate not so much the training. But just reevaluate how you're gonna Tak this thing almost as a family because it does, you know, a lot of people there don't give credit to the wife. They don't give credit the whole families involved. I'm sure like his parents are involved her parents are involved. It's it takes an army. It takes an army to get these guys on these platforms and to have them become world champions like this. So that's why from that standpoint. I think you'd be great idea just to kinda slow everything down and say, let's try to try to figure out what this is going to look like for for next year. But let's take a few weeks out, you know, few weeks. All yeah. There's been I'm I don't know. I don't know if it's already known, but like worlds being. Possibly in California. I don't know if I misunderstood that. Or not the strongest man. Yeah. They've been talking about Los Angeles possibly do. You think that's going to factor into shod deciding to do it because it's like man, it's normally a pain in the dicta get out to wherever it is. And now it's like if it's here man, that's gonna be really hard to pass up. Yeah. I think I think just taking a little bit of time off will help him to reevaluate. And then he'll know how bad the hamstring is and stuff and then he can kind of make decisions. So when you say a little bit of time, you don't mean like take a year and skip all these other events. Yeah. I just mean like take a couple of weeks. Okay. Kind of reevaluate. How you feel get back into training? And at the hamstring has garbage and is not feeling right. Then you probably need to, you know, not do the Arnold or not do the world's strongest man because it's probably too close. Yeah. You know, he you gotta assume that a guy like him who's won it. So many times is going into this with the intention of winning. So he he smart enough to like see. Okay. If I have if I know have the capacity to win a make this happen. I don't I don't know if he's going into like he's not going into place second or third try and win. So we'll see what decision he makes. But I'm I'm excited to see him compete again. Let's say that. Yeah. I wanna I wanna see him win so bad, man. Yeah. The the the year he won the Arnold. I hadn't spent any time with him yet. Yeah. And then the last two years I'd have. And now, I'm just like come on, man. Like, I'm invested, you know, so it's like to see him get her on that dead lift it's like, oh, do you like that was special that we were there for the year that he won the Arnold because he won it? You know, he he barely had to do like the last event, which was kind of cool. He had it in the bag the whole time he was very dominant in that year. He also won the world's strongest, man. So that was like that was special to to watch. All that unfold. But you know, I think you know, these these conversations I had at the and stuff like my wife, and I have been trying to figure out like what can we do at these shows, that's different? And we have some ideas that we wanna do some things differently for next year's Arnold. We're not exactly sure what those things are. It's a full year away. I know we wanna do more podcast stuff. And it was something that we've been kicking around was to, you know, rent out a nice like lobby or lounge somewhere in a hotel or conference room. And you know, really try to shotgun through a lot of podcasts with a lot of great people. You know, I would love to do like collaborative stuff. You know, when I went to rogue it was like a cross fit wonderland was unbelievable. How many cross fit champions were in there? Yeah. It was just insane. And then Bill Henninger was in there too. I mean, it's like, you know, this guys like pioneering. You know, how manufacturing requirement is going. Rogue products are in every Jim in the country. He mentioned something the effect of like. I'm not sure about I think he said a hundred I think you said one hundred thousand pounds they're going through one hundred thousand pounds of steel a week. It was something wild like that. And I was like just can't even. Yeah. Brain exploded. But the facility that he has where rogue fitnesses, and they also have other facilities to still is bigger than where the Arnold was. I mean, it's bigger than the convention center. Huge. And now they're building a rogue stadium. So they're going to have a vents there and stuff. It was just it was insane. But when I went when I went to rogue, I was like. Man. How amazing would it be to do a podcast with a rich frowning and map Frazier who just sitting right here, you know? And they're so they're so nice. And they're so humble, it's like, it's unbelievable. You know, I'm sitting here watching Matt Frazier. Go through nineteen point two, which maybe you can look up with the workout was Andrew, but this fuckers doing cleans with three fifteen like, it's nothing at the end of a workout. And it's like, I think they went for twenty minutes straight an toes to bar and double unders toes to bar. Double unders cleans toes, Avars double unders cleans and the weight increases as you go through it. Yeah. He's just he's just sitting in a giant puddle of sweat and to watch him like. To watch this like self mastery happen like to watch this guy. No, okay. I can do to reps in a row here. Okay. I better rest. Watch him just kneel down the ground for a little bit huff and puff get back up. Okay. I can I can get out three reps. Okay. Time's getting close. You know, I'm going to do two reps and then rest and do one rep and then rest than do to reps. And then I'm like into so watch him just. And there was no. He's fired up. He's excited. But there's no like grunting. There's no show. There's no it's just him. Just he's in his own world. I mean, there could have been no one else there, and he would have been going out just as hard. And then on top of that, you know, rich phoning is there doing his own workout. And me and Jessie are watching all this on fold, and we're like, we're watching rich phony doing single leg squats, but he wasn't doing a pistol squad. He was doing it with his leg back behind him almost like a single leg static lunge, and he was going to depth with that. Yeah. He was going pretty low with that. And me and Jessie you're like he's doing that in between between doing sit ups on the glue ham raise in inbetween like doing something on the bike. But meet you. Meanwhile, he's sitting there having conversations with people he's like talking in between sets because he was just doing his own his own workout. He wasn't like, you know, really killing himself with it. Those like many so productive. He's getting through so much stuff lean while he snapping pictures with people knocking, and he's he just keeps going through the circuit and everything, and it was just really cool to watch. But a salesman. How cool would it be the podcast with those two guys and ask them like what does it take? You know, what does it take to be a champion? Was it take? You'll rich frowning did a slightly different way. He he was a four time champion. Matt Frazier is going on three, but rich is married and has a few children, and like even like the last crossing games that he won as an individual athlete. He's like on the plane like we were just talking about. Brian, you go to these shows with his kids, and that might be that might be something that is is stressful possibly, I don't I don't know situation. But I would imagine it would be it would be stressful for me if I was trying to win a world championship, and I had a bunch of babies with maybe. But here's rich frowning on the plane like holding his infant child and his wife is next to him with you know, with their other. There are other kids. It's like under the age of three and he goes out to cross what games whoops up on everybody. And then now, he's retired. And he does a team team events. He still wins. His team wins every year. That's crazy. So if I'm if I found the right one on eight minute clock as many reps as possible. But it's twenty five TOTO bars. Fifty double unders fifteen squad cleans out one hundred thirty five pounds twenty-five towbar. Fifty double unders thirteen squad cleans at one eighty five. And if you complete that before eight minutes you add four minutes, and then you do twenty five TOTO bar. Fifty double unders eleven's plot cleans at two twenty five finish that before twelve at four minutes. New twenty five more towbar fifty more double unders nine squats cleans at two seventy five if you finish that in time at four more minutes twenty five fifty and then seven squads at three fifteen. So he got the three fifteen and he was doing it. Yeah. He was doing like, you know, he's just cranking through it. And I like at the end of this. It says stop twenty minutes. You know, it was was you know, people just have. People get too negative about these different forms of fitness is different things that people try, and if you ever been around these high level cross with people, it's it's amazing. It's outstanding the watching there there is serious about it as anybody else's serious about their aesthetics or anybody else's serious about their strength training powerlifting Olympic lifting the the the other people watching him at all encouraging him. And then on top of that. He's got a coach who's like he's got like a note pad. He's like recording. You know, the numbers he's getting and this guy is like down in the spot position. Like watching every move that. He makes an it's very it's a very serious thing. So I I get annoyed. Sometimes when I hear the negativity. I understand, you know, people don't always understand what the heck across would or doing like why, you know, why the jumping around so much, and why are they, you know, standing on their heads. But it's just a different. Fitness. And it's a it's a great way to get in shape. The females that are in Crawford. I I don't think it's I don't think it's even a question. I I don't think there's females in better shape. No, you're right. I mean, I might be able to point out some some women that do some track, and they they'd be comparable the women that do sprints like fit like visually. Yes. But like the question is I don't think they even sprinters, you know, who look that way. At least if they haven't had experienced and be able to hang in some of those crawl, right? Yeah workouts. It's most people can't. Yeah. Have you ever done? Any crossword stuff? No. I haven't. And I'm not laughing as it was a joke. Just like, it's I there was a time that I wanted to years ago, but be interesting. It would be interesting, but I know. I think it'd be pretty good at a lot of it. You're you're you're heavy though. So that's what I wonder like you're you're in good control of your own your own body and stuff. So it's not like, it would crush you. But it might be hard. You know, like just because you wear like what to forty two forty. But like with like with anything, it would just it would take me a long time to adapt us like it's a long time to adapt to the stress of jujitsu and lifting. It took me a long time to me just like do that. Well, yeah. Be. It'd be the same thing of cross it. I wouldn't be able to pick it up immediately and be good. And I would have to be committed to get to the level that I'd wanna be at. It's like with with like, you know, when I started jujitsu, I started. So I could get really really good if I started cross fit. It would it wouldn't just be for fitness. It'd be like I want to get really really good. I think that's my problem with certain aspects of fitness. It's like if I do something I wanna I wanna take it there. Right. You know? But cross it. It's all that running is the thing that thing that gets me that miles of running in between certain certain workouts. That'd be. Interesting. Well, I was when I was at rogue I was benching and I was doing like three sixty five and I was just doing some sets and reps. And it just wasn't feeling great. So I didn't go any heavier than that. And rich runnings like you're just gonna keep using the weight that I use. I'll say you're not gonna go any heavier in that day. And I was like, well, you know, it was funny because it's like I'm not taking that bait. And I'm going to go over there and add weight I've done what I've done. And I know that he's just trying to get a rise from me. But it was it was it was awesome. I deserved it. You know, if it was good. But like the guy strong superstar. I don't know if you can press three sixty five, but I've seen it before handle three fifteen fairly easy. And he does a lot of a lot of powerlifting type stuff. I've seen him do floor presses before I know that he actually for a while was routinely using floor presses because he liked the movement because it wouldn't get too deep into his chest and wouldn't make them to soar. And a lot of these guys and girls they're super open to learning about strength. You know what? While I was in there. You know, I I was like a it was like. I felt like a door because I'm like I want to get everybody together for picture like we want picture with you. And I was like, oh, this is this is cool. You know, because I don't even I don't even know if they know who I am. You know what I mean? I'm just like I'm in a different world than there in. I follow what they do. But they're clearly following what a lot of us. Do a lot of power. They follow a lot of power thing. They follow a lot of strong men, and they are even asking questions about like dead lifting about squatting in about. It's like, well, no wonder why these guys and girls are so good. Why no wonder whether so fit they are open to learning anywhere. They can be which we should all be right. Yeah. We've talked before about kind of the white belt mentality. Right. The this idea of. You know, it's great that, you know, a lot of stuff, but to acquire, you know, all which is knowable is going to be a a life journey. You're never going to know what all Casio who can whoop up on just about anybody over at your at at his jitsu school is a know it. All right. He knows a lot. Yeah. There's a lot more than you do. Right. And he knows a lot more than than many of the people in there. And maybe no more than a combination of everybody put together, we still doesn't know what all and even like hoist Gracie multiple time. You have see champion and sort of the godfather of jujitsu in some way here in the United States. He even he doesn't know what. All right. You've got to have this this understanding in this idea that you don't know it all and you should be open to something. You know, some something else that somebody else might suggest you most definitely. And I think that the hardest thing about that is putting yourself around. People that do know more than you or wanting to put yourself around people that know a lot more that you're not just the top dog. Exactly. You know? That's why I found like my biggest jump in strength came. When I first started coming here to train, and I guess the thing that allowed me to progress that way was really not having an ego about not being a strongest some guys in here, or even when I got stronger in a certain lifting here still wanting to talk to certain guys, I knew may have a little bit more technical knowledge. Even though they might not be as strong as lift as I am to see what else what they see about that lift, you know, and I just I think that's been like, my my biggest strength when it comes to progressing at certain things. I'm all like, I'm always asking questions, and I don't care if like I'm asking too many questions like over a Casio school when he's teaching technique if I have to ask two or three questions to get something. Right. Even if people are waiting there all do it. And it's just because like I know that if I if I. I think people are scared of asking questions because they're scared of what everyone else everyone else around them thinks about them asking certain question. Right. You know, they will be like, oh, wow. Everyone thinks I'm dumb everyone thinks I'm not getting this. It's fine. But if you need to ask more questions understand something you're going to get much better than everybody else. Even when you get to a high level of something to still being open to taking criticism, or I guess advice from the other people around you who may be better. And potentially may not be better. I think that's where that whole thing. You know lies. I even see you, you know, getting tips from certain people in terms of like, you're dead lift even though you've been doing this or her certain movements doing this for tons of years. And that's that's huge. You know that about just allow you to. Get to mastery of whatever it is at a much faster pace. But even when you're there, you know, you still have a lot more to learn. There's there's a lot there. I think asking questions is a way to really advance your career a lot of ways in no matter what it is. You're doing it shows other people that you care, you know, and it may be like, maybe you're not even asking a question to advance yourself. Maybe you're just asking a question because you're curious on like what the other person likes to do? But asking questions is is a really important thing. Obtaining knowledge about what somebody likes to do. What's your favorite movie, all these things? They're all things that will help you advance. Because at least it shows that you give a shit, and in this case, you know, we're kind of more talking about like, fitness, and and that kind of stuff, and maybe even advancing in in your career and be able to make more money. But once you start asking questions that way then. I already know in seem as like inquisitive like he cares. You know? So like when he so when you go to dead lift, I might be watching you more. Maybe maybe other people that you've asked questions to the gym. Maybe now they're all invested in in watching you because they have an understanding that you care because you took the time to ask a couple of questions. Yeah. You know? And that's kind of the same thing with like, it's a little off topic. But even investing your time into somebody in either a helping them or be just encouraging them just putting your hands together and Clinton for somebody to go. Hey, let's go you can you know, you can do it let, you know, just you may not even want to be vocal that might not be you like you might not feel that comfortable with that. But that's where you go outside of yourself a little bit and say this isn't for me, this is for them. And this is the support like I'm hoping that people are watching me when I go my hope, they're making some noise for me when I go hope they're cheering who knows might be that little tiny thing that helps maybe somebody. Tells you something right before you hit the platform, and it just eases your mind a little bit helps you concentrate on what's important and you nail the lift. So all these things are are little cheats little secrets into advancing yourself. You know, you're right. You know, you're right there. Everyone knows. He is. Yeah. So Casio used to work if your eye when you're I for started jitsu way early on and Casio always mentions. How you're ri- was the literally the most inquisitive person he's ever worked with even though you're I had a really deep wrestling background before he started to when you start your jitsu. It's very different wrestling. So every time you're I would roll with somebody. Whether it was an upper belt or lower belt. He'd always ask questions after that role every single role doesn't matter if he beat them or not he'd always ask questions. What did you notice here? What did you notice your what did you notice here? And that's the difference between him and a lot of other athletes. Like you see where he ended up in terms of the UFC? You see what he's been able to build? And that's because like he's had that. Talapity all through has his athletic career. He probably also has that as far as business too. But being extremely inquisitive and trying to figure out every possible way to get better looking around you and seeing what other people notice about what you do. No matter what their point of view may be maybe extremely helpful towards progression. You know? So it's learning how to like not be insecure about asking questions not being scared of doing that. And if you can't, you know, if you can't necessarily because I know not everybody, for example, as far as the gym goes, you can always find a gym where everybody's stronger than you than you might just have to pull a Bryce Lewis. You know, how Bryce Lewis is like he's super strong. He trains his garage all the time. But he's always obviously figuring out what he can do to improve in terms of strength that cetera on his own just maybe even just asking himself question. Exactly. Like you have to be able to. If you can't get it from other people. You gotta be willing to seek out that information. Like if you are the best in the room, then you have to be the ones to always seek that information out for yourself. It gets I think that's harder in itself to how to do that on your own without other people around you. But you're going to have to do that. Well, a lot of the answers are are within you know, if you really just ask someone, hey, like what or two or three things you think you should do. I I've learned some from some really high level people that have just executed really well and business they're the kind of people you'll get around and they make you feel so dumb because you'll you'll ask a question. And then they'll just answer your question with another question will basically say on Sima. Okay. So you wanna double your income from last year? You wanna do that over the next two years? Okay. Cool. So what are three things that you think you should do to do that? And then you'll and you'll say, well, I could probably like it'd probably be more organized. I could you ABC, right? You'll have three answers probably pretty quickly. You know? I could. Maybe, you know, maybe in order to make the money that I want you to have to go to jujitsu less, and you know, maybe it'd be a couple of things right Bom, you're done. And then my response would be well, you should go do that. That'd be great. And the answer is all came from within a lot of times, we sort we. We least sort sorta know the answers. The problem is we got that other side of our brain that just talks out of everything all the time. You're because then you're like, oh, yeah. I could do that. But then somebody else said this, so I should try it this way. Yeah. You know? Well, yeah. I could go to jitsu lesson make more money because I could put more time into a couple of things. But Nah, I like doing this. But then you're just you're talking yourself out of it's like, it's either the priority or or it's not or secondary. Right. So then you have to try to make make a decision on on where lies, but the main thing here is keep, you know, keep at the front of your mind is that you should always be learning. You should always wanna learn new shit. I'm either lifting in a meeting or I have headphones on pretty much all day or with my family pretty much all day long. And I'm I'm not just like while listen to music here and there, but I'm not just listening to music. I'm usually listening to something that will give me information. Sometimes it's more. Sometimes it's more stuff that I wanna listen to a lot of times. It's heavy shit that I don't wanna listen to. But I'm like, I know in here there's going to be a crumb there's going to be a Crumlin here. There's going to be some some little silver lining in here that I can find that I can use that can help me out or that can help me help somebody else. Yeah. And I'm like man, this is Bob. Boring shit. You know, some of the stuff I listen to his awful. And like, I don't wanna listen to this. I don't wanna listen to this audio book. But I know it's good for me. So the the trick is to try to balance out between the things that make you happy versus the things that have the opportunity to make you great versus the things that can just even just make you better. You know, how how do you? You don't always want to be so obsessed with you know, great because that's who even knows what that means. Yeah. Then you've got to kind of determine. Okay. What is I mean? But he'll just say better. Let's say you want to be better. And even say you want to be better than yesterday may be too big of burden like that might be too much responsibility. The how about you just work on being better overall over a period of time, whatever period of time, you wanna you wanna be better than you were last year that might be a little easier to consume than because we try to be better everything each day. That's a lot. That is a lot try to be better. You know, a better a better person in in your relationship. You try to be a better leader. You try to be a better coach, you try to be a better son you now, it's like, okay. Well, we're really piling up a lot of stuff, and maybe we should just start out with something a little bit more simple. I'm just going to gravitate more towards the things that are going to make me better rather than just the things that make me happy things that make you happy might be things that are entertaining go onto a movie going off your diet plan. And then there's other things you can get into which would be like drinking or porn or some of these things that are like they're kinda quick, I guess quick fixes, but they're all part of well, they're not all part of everyone's life. But they're they're they're all things that are enticing that are like there, then things that are always. But if you spend. All your time. If you spend all your time wagging off. You're not you're not going to be. And basically, I mean, you can kind of look at it even further, but if you spend all your time like fantasizing, then you're not really in reality. And you're not really working towards the things that you should be working towards. You're not really putting in the work. You're just sitting there thinking about it. Yeah. They're the distractions. Right. Yeah. So if you spend your time being distracted, you're not gonna get anywhere, then that's tough. Yeah. 'cause everything's distracting. Yeah. There's a hard balance. They're like, you know, especially when you're thinking about wanting to be great at something and wine skip much better at something a lot of times that and it's not necessarily even bad. If becomes an obsession. Right. But you could really just like gas results out. And then when people are heading towards those goals when I'm heading towards those goals. Sometimes I'll just find myself just sometimes exhausted in like, I just had to take a day or whatever. And just like, you know, recharge with that. So, you know, you got find a balance just like when you're talking about Matt Frazier when he was. How impressive it was to see how he was able to handle self during that workout in terms of knowing where he needed to stop knowing where he needs to wrestling. When you need kneel down figuring that out for yourself like knowing when you got to, you know, put you on the gas knowing when you've got to slow down just for a little bit. So you can recharge, and you can have energy to keep going at it. That's it's very difficult, you know, balance for people to figure out, but everybody's different when it comes to that some people can just go and go and go and go and go, and we all wanna be like that. But we might not be able to all be like that individual. There's different ways that we can go about it that we gotta figure out for selves, how many hours a day can you realistically dedicate day in and day out to being better at you jitsu. Me personally to two hours. As it sounds very reasonable. You know, like if you were to say me, no six hours, eight hours. Maybe that's, you know, so maybe you spend an hour to add to jitsu like physically active jitsu, maybe spend an hour half hour watching some videos, if you start to spend a lot more time than that. Then it starts to consume and impede upon some of the other things have in your life. And maybe maybe that causes more stress and doesn't even make you better. Anyway, also, too if you're not getting the sleep, and there's a lot of research that backs us up if you're not getting the sleep at you need, you not even really learning and really truly absorbing all the stuff that you just practiced. Yeah. I mean, you'll you'll know it and absorb it something the effect of like sixty percent better. If you just getting proper rest, which is like, you know, it's probably a little different for each person. But I would say, you know, eight hours is what most people are probably looking for and on. On top of that, maybe occasionally even getting a nap there's a lot of research showing asleep. You know, some sleep before. And after I don't know if you've ever messed around with that. But it might be something to play with is Michael Walker. Matthew Matthew Walker? Yeah. The sleep guy. He talked about, you know, getting some sleep before. And after might be something to mess with for jujitsu like like right after the has to be like right after the the idea behind it is it helps push things from short term memory too, long term memory. So when you learn something, and then you take a nap it kind of forces it to go into the whatever part of your memory bay talked about it as if you were like literally like clicking on something and dragging it into a folder. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty it was pretty cool. Yeah. Is really good. But yeah. So like with I could send you like one of the clips about it. So with jasmine like when she has a a test or something she'll study for and then we make her go take a nap. And then she takes the test after her nap, and she does way better. Why did I forget about this is to do that in high school and college all the time? I know I stopped doing all the time. I never thought about that hearing exercise like always knew that it was like a good for retention of stuff. I never thought about that for exercise and stuff like that. Yeah. It's really awesome. So I'm gonna hit a bench. Take a nap in between sets. Come back. Mike o'hearn? I mean, he he well he does that. I mean wakes up at three and trains at four and he's in the gym from four to six, and he goes back and he eats us like a big old protein, shake, and then he eats food. And then he just takes an app in on. It's like, maybe there's maybe there's some maybe there's more to it. Then you know, him just waking up early and being maniac. You know? Maybe there's maybe there's some really restorative things that are happening. Maybe he's like locking, you know, quote, unquote, locking in the gains. You mentioned how you know these things are going from short term to long term memory will. Maybe it's possible that these things are going from being things stimulated your body for the short period of time that help burn calories up, but now because you're recovering and maybe putting your hormones in a good balance. You know, maybe you can retain one percent two percent. I mean, locking in the pump schwa- that could really what if you lock in two percent more. In every workout. Yeah. I mean, I I don't know. What's possible? But it sounds to me like, that's me. What Matthew Walker's pointing out that these things can work that way. That'd be dope. I need to finish that book. I haven't I've only gone like a third of the way through put it down for something else. I gotta finish. It's so good on that topic of books. You know, I'm somebody that I I don't like to read right, but you can consume everything that you want to consume through YouTube. And so recently, I've been watching a lot of Matthew Walker stuff. And I'm not against books by any means if you want to read and you love reading than go out. I just struggle with reading my retention for readings not great. If I hear something it's a little bit better. And for some reason if I hear something, and it's got music to it. It's even better. Just the way my brain works. And if I take notes on it now, I'm even doing even better. And if I take notes on it, and I go back and read those notes now, I'm really in the driver's seat. And they're gonna remember some of these things, but all these things are consumable via YouTube. And so if you wanna look up something specific if you wanted to just search like use YouTube as a search don't use Google, Google's crap. I mean, people are just paying to get to the top of the list. You know, I'm sure they're doing the same thing on YouTube. I think they're owned by the same company or whatever. But the point is is like if you type in Matthew Walker, you type in long-term memory, you you'll get three or four videos that are probably just fifteen minutes. Each say, I'm gonna watch this one. You know, I'm gonna watch these two for today. It's a half an hour work to half an hour of of consuming something for the day. All I heard, you know, encima, and Mark, you know, talking about flexible dieting, I'm gonna look up flexible dieting. Elaine, Norton, AGA that there's two videos both Moore, fifteen minutes. It's a half an hour talking to take you very long. And if you listen to something, and you're not digging it, and it's not vibe in with you shut it off. Right. Whereas a book, I feel like, you know, I personally feel a little bit more trapped by you know, I feel like man, I gotta like, okay, I really pay attention. And I got you know, I got a really focus and hone in on it. I'm not the kind of person that a lot of people are a lot of people will sit down with a book, and it's like relaxing for them almost meditative, maybe, and you know, maybe depending on the type of book that they have it helps take them to places that they otherwise wouldn't be able to go, and it's like an adventure and stuff like that. But for me, this isn't work that way. So anyway, that's my two cents on YouTube in it. I agree with you like its first off. It's really cool that you're able to figure out the best way that you learn it because a lot of people do think that off I wanna learn about all these things I could go pick up a book and read it and some people that's just not fun. But the a lot of books should stay on the shelves. Right. You didn't finish. I didn't finish the only one third of it. So far. Been everything in life nutty professor, oh, by the way, my Instagram. Name is Sema EAC nauseous a subject. There's no hidden reason behind that. By the way, Mark I knew I knew your brain was going to go. There's kind of a reason behind it. I'm gonna I'm gonna come back to what we were just mentioning about the book thing. Okay. I'm going to remember to come back to this. So the reason why I changed my name from the natty professor kissing agreement. Young. Yeah. It is because the creates do not is just because we had this conversation when you have natty in your name, people automatically think you're not natty, and I don't want at like everybody that comes across the name to be like, he's not oblast. I'd just rather, you know, I'm still natty. But I just I'd rather just have you known as. He'll be a symbol person. I'd rather have people just like look at the information and take the information rather than focusing on whether I'm natty or not. Yeah. I'll tell you on that. If you believe natty or not here, I come. That's just my name. Plus now, like people know, Mike my name. Instead, my name's not easy. But just insieme. It's I I think it had a lot more to do with the fact that there was a couple of beers going around the hotel room. It was I it was like two AM, and then in was just laying down on the bed with his phone over his head it, I think it hit your head. Or was that someone else? I know my phone hit my head dropped in ace, and it was a loud thump. But then, you know, so this was the the last night of the Arnold. Our flight was at I think six AM you guys get kill. So. And then. Yeah, that was terrible. But it, you know, we're we're still up, and he's like is going to change my name, then we're all like just do it, man. Just just do it right now. You know, we all know we had a little bit of a the confidence sauce in a little bit. And just just do it just do it. And then it's like am guys. It's like three AM. We gotta wake up in one. Our get outta here. Awful feeling right. It was I mean, it was fun hanging out. But yeah that whole next day. And then what the delays of the flight is. But so I think that's what it was not nothing. You just said. This regard everything want to change it for a while. Just my name my name. That's what I told you because I'm like, I remember you brought this up a while ago. And like, so how long have you been thinking about it? And you said, you know, some time now, so I'm like, do you? Then I mean shit just like what Marcus saying you have the answer within. You know, like shit just do it. Yeah. So it's cool that it's your actual name is my name. Yeah. Seeing the ESPN, but yet back back to the book thing 'cause that that that's a little to there's so many actual like cool channels on YouTube that take a large books and give you very just like now the big summers from these books, and if you're really trying to get like the information from some of these books or like, the big big concepts that are gonna affect you the most you don't have to read the whole thing you can legit go to what ten fifteen minute video that will give you all of the big concepts to take away from the book. And if you can utilize those great, you know, you don't have to read all those books. So that that that's the cool thing about it. It's just like there's so much long form and short form information out there for you to find you just got to figure out what works best for your free to intake in what works best for your time. Maybe you don't have the time to read a four hundred page book, or you you you don't know you're not gonna finish it quickly. So just go. Find yourself a good summer on it. And. You know, take it away. You know, who asks a lot of questions is Ed cone, Jay Cutler. And Ron penna like the others. Ron Peres is one of the original founders of quest nutrition. And this huge ask company at Cohn. Obviously, one of the greatest power is all time, Jay Cutler, and one of the greatest bodybuilders while time Jay Cutler is like he he actually asked more questions than anybody ever met in my life. He just hammers us with questions. We're kind of stuff does he ask? Did he ask? He he just I don't even know if he knows he doesn't he would he ask you a lot. Like he'll ask you about your diet Lasky about training. And and I think like he, you know, he has his own his own kind of theories on on nutrition and stuff, and he asked a lot about like key like Kito diet. He asks a lot about like intermittent fasting. And like the last conversation we had he asked asked a lot about, you know, lower carb because this is like a guy that would eat a thousand cards day back in his in his heyday. I was like, yeah. You know? I I just don't think I think the carbohydrates are great like weapon, but I think that in general, I think most people could probably use a lot less of them. And they'll have like a really good impact. When you kind of like reset your body, and you start to pull away, you know, some of you know, processed foods and sugars and things like that as an and if you're somebody that's already eating healthy. I think that you you'll probably quickly realize you can probably run on a little bit less carbs. I can't make that blanket statement for everybody. But I just think in general, I think a lot of people would find that they, you know, they're like, wow, I'm only having two hundred carbs day, one hundred carbs a day and things are still going pretty good. And I think on top of that. I said I think people can probably add add a little bit of fat. And because now we got to kinda replace some of this energy source, and he was like man he's like years ago. He's like, I would think that was total bullshit. But he's like, I I'm starting to kind of, you know, see some of that, you know, my. Self and he's like this is just what worked for me. And my body building. You know, I I was you know, consuming these enormous amounts of cards. But he's like my stomach was always bothering me. And he had multiple awesome poop stories on the podcasts. But he. Yeah. He asked he asked a ton of questions. I'll even just how's your brother doing? How's how your parent? You know? He he follows all the stuff, and it's just I don't know. It's ridiculous to me. I'm like this Jay Cutler, like he's like an idol of mine, you know, and same with that cone at Cohn. Always asks like Ed cone is Ed Cohen Ed Kona saw a lot more like sensitive. He's more personable. He'd like really cares about not that Jay Cutler doesn't. But Ed Cohen really cares about people. And so Ed cones questions are very rarely going to be about lifting. It of course, that comes up because that's his passion. But he's always like, how's your brother? How's your mom? How's your dad? How's how your kids kids doing? You know, he, and he he'll look in the eye and really ask you like, he really he really cares. But he's not asking and then like thinking of a bunch of other shit. He's asking and he's listening, and that's another key factor is if you're going to be asking questions, you know, don't a lot of people go up to a guy like and see in great shape. And it'll be like, hey, man. Like, I just want to lose some body fat. What do I gotta do? And then as soon as he says, well, you know, here's, you know, five steps mo- once he's into step number one. You already checked out because he didn't tell you about like some fat burning supplements. That happens a lot and people will say, well, here's what I do. And it's like why don't care. What you do? You asked me how you thought you should go about losing some weight. I'm trying to give you advice. And now, you're telling me what you do for which is not working, which is the reason why you ask me in the first place. Right. So people need to actually listen and pay attention to all these questions. It's like mean, it's just like taking a when you take that answer. It's like you have a five and Kevin I think that's also why like all these individuals. You mentioned they do ask so many questions because I wouldn't say that it's yeah. Maybe something's they don't know. But they're just like probably thinking of all this information and finding correlations between certain things at work. You know, like the I never thought a few years ago learning about like, flexible dieting, and Mac OS at cetera and hearing about Kito few years ago. I never thought it'd be something on ever consider as being a viable dieting concept. I think there were. Four times. I could like there were times. I could think of that. I was more closed off to let's say learning about different diets because I thought this is the way to go. This is the way that all people should do it. I did pigeon hole myself in that way. But it is like with all these different diets is so many different ways to do the like to get the same result and being open, especially I think people that are from the flexible dieting community we need to be a little bit more. We need to be a lot more open to a lot of these different diets and see how they can work for different individuals because being the whole. Hire car flexible dieting deal that typically people do doesn't ensure it work for everybody. And there's just so much. That's not known about utrition already that you need to be open. And you need to be just like opens a taking different Hechtel stories from people in into understand. Why it works like solid Dino's on with a carnivore thing. You know, you gotta be open 'til all those anecdotes and seeing why they work in because maybe that could work much better for somebody else who maybe has IBS and is eating excessive amounts of carbs. Maybe carnivore would be the best type of deal for them. But. Taking that evidence not just from research and utilizing it's going to be I think it's hard for a lot of us me myself to it used to be. But I'm becoming more open to that. You know? I think the biggest thing also when you think you're I I used to and I still think I have a decent handling on my nutrition, and the the nutritional my clients, but when you feel that you're an expert on something, you tend not to be as open to wanting to learn more things, it's when you realize that you're not really an expert, or when you when you allow yourself to believe that you're you're not that great at something all the time. I think that that's gonna that's something that's really beneficial. I think we've only been maybe doing this podcast with you on here for a couple of weeks. Yeah. Like a month. Oh, yeah. I don't know ten handful of episodes will say even in that time, I've noticed that your mind is opened up to some other possibilities like even just when we had some of the different people on the show, and we had conversations I think you kind of been like, oh, I understand that and understand that side of things. And I think that's you know, that's an important value just in our society. So it's like understand each other. And I think that we have a tendency like we don't understand something you get like mad about which doesn't really make. I it's like, that's so irrational, you know, it's so irrational to, you know, not understand somebody else's culture. And then you're you're mad about it. Like, why would I be mad that somebody's kneeling in the corner? Praying to some doll like it was nothing to do with me. That's their own thing. They got going on. Right. Like, maybe that. Maybe maybe I'm not cool with it. But to be like violent towards it. Like, that's where it starts to get crazy or you see like when it comes to nutrition. You know, you see all the comments or would comes to fitness. I think I saw Chris Duffin a couple days ago posted a picture of his body. And he's like I'm getting better shape again or something like that. And then somebody was like you have a horrendous physique, and I'm just like, and maybe this is a guy. That's like I don't know follows people that have a more aesthetic body and have a smaller waist and bigger shoulder. I don't even know. Yeah. But it was just like. Just it's like many like that's just completely negative is just a, you know, and yeah, look he looks. He's jerked. Yeah. He looks. He looks amazing. And so. It just I don't understand. You know, why we have that side of us? It's it's super annoying. And I see it happen in too many different areas, you know, in our culture, and you know, unfortunately, I didn't get to run into Johnny crock at the at the show at the Arnold. But she was there, and you know, I was part of the movie the movie's called transformer you can check it out on net. Flicks. I I do wish the movie would have explained more stuff about that community in about like the different terminology because I'm so naive to a lot of these things. I don't even know the different terminology. But I think that the more there's some people that don't care to know. Right. There are some people that are just like, no I fucked that that's gross. I part of that. And there's some people that they just don't wanna know there's some people that just want to be racist or some people that just want to be against people being gay. And that's the way they are. But I think that our society is in a pretty good spot where a lot of people, especially younger people. They want to understand. I wanna I wanna know. Like, I don't know what it's like to be black. I don't know what it's like to be Mexican. I don't know what it's like to. Be born a boy and want to be a girl. I don't know anything about it. I also don't know the terminology. So I wish that this movie. I thought the movie was good. I thought it was it was a good. It showed a lot of what you crock has went through to going through this entire process. But I also wish that like it explains some of the terminology and some of the different just things that go on because I don't even know like what how would a lot of. It means, you know, when they say transgender or they say gender fluid, or now, there's all these abbreviations associated with it and staff you so I just I was kinda hoping that the movie would have a little bit more of a tone of like just explaining presenting. Like, you know, here's here's some of these facts, you know, and then let you kind of determine your own your own take of either one of you guys seen the film at all. I've seen I only saw the previews for it. And I just. Found out it was on Netflix. So I I want to check it out. So we'll see how do you guys feel about some of that stuff? I mean, like, I'll just be totally transparent like. I'm a little weirded out by like I've been friends with Matt crock. Right. I'm a little bit weirded out by seeing like Geneva's Buchan big, you know, so I'm a little bit weirded out and seeing my old friend, as you know, a female and being like imposing, you know, being like being so jacked, right? It's different for me. I'm not against it. As just a kind of shocking to me. I'm like, whoa, right way. Where like if Andrew came in dressed in girl. I would be like, whoa. Like what's going on here? You look I raise catis book. But. You know? So like we're talking about, you know, being open minded and closed mine. And that's kinda why some of this kind of popped in my head. What are some of your thoughts on this? I mean it definit-. Yeah. It when I seen the power magazine cover of him, pre or Hersi. Right. Right. Skipping. All of it. The only part that like just does concern me is. Yeah. I don't wanna fend anybody right now. I don't know like I don't want to mess up the him hers or write them they and like, I don't wanna be a dick. But I also don't know how to come out and say like wh-, like if I go up to something like, what do I call you like, that's that's that sounds so rude. Can't do it. But you're like, I'm just like, yeah. I'm totally fine with anybody doing whatever they want. Like, it's it's a great thing about this country is a, you know, you can do whatever you want. But there are some people who are going to be Dicketts to you. But like with like my daughter like I shot a gay wedding couple years back. And I remember I wanted her to see me working on the photos like, yeah. This is a groom. And this is another groom like they're in love like in. That's fine. This is totally. Okay. And like she you say, oh like she didn't understand it at first. But she was just young. 'cause you know, it was supposed to be, you know, gyna- girl, get married. That's how you have a wedding, right? But i'm. No like, I want. I wanted her to be exposed to it right away to know. Like, this is fine. Like, and you're going to see it you more. You know, when yet your rents might have two moms or whatever. Exactly. Yeah. In you know, it's not something to. You know to stare at it or anything it's just like, hey, they're going to have kids too. And they're going to be parents, just like, you know, main your mom, and that that was huge for me to be able to do that for her because, you know, my my parents are fairly old school, they're fine with it. But you know, they'll make comment install. But I think so too to make a comment to somebody in person is like disgusting. I think it's like over the top, right? And but to have your own thoughts on it. And if you are kind of old school, I mean, it's it may not be may not be right? But I think you're entitled to it because somehow some way whether it's wrong, or whatever y- you learn this this shit habit. You know, and it's unfortunate. And I don't think there's a lot of room in this world for that much hate. But I do think that that we like in the movie Janie crocs mom, while while she's there says, you know, Matt died the day that you told me about all this. And it's like, oh, man. Like, that's some heh. Heavy that's some heavy stuff. But at the same time like, you know, what I think I think the moms entitled to think that way like she thought she had a son and. Turns out I guess she didn't right. And it's very confusing, and it's got to be very hard for everybody. So I think I think both sides need to be understanding of each other. I think that's how we can move forward. You know? You know, everybody's different. You know? I just go by I I generally try not to I don't judge people on their decisions. If someone feels that they are something else if someone like feels like there are women in amounts body. Okay. They feel like they're women in man's body. Don't. Don't go analyzing the psyche of this individual. That's how they feel let them do their thing. Whether you you agree with it or not because they're just another human being trying to live their own specific existence. And that's how they feel that they need to live it. So all of this. I guess hate and phobia over these people like what are they doing to you? If you are truly like, I guess transphobic would be the term. What are they doing to you? That's a competing upon your existence. Are they like are they over here harassing you or something? No, they're just living their own life. Which is why I frankly, don't really understand the amount of hate that goes upon this group of people, and I it's it's not the same thing. But what what is it? It's been what seventy years it hasn't been that long sixty seventy years since segregation. It hasn't really been that long. Right. I think it a long it really hasn't been that long for right? So you know, we're going to be looking back at some of this. And seeing how some some people are acting towards these individuals and think in a few decades, while it's kinda crazy how bad some of these people were being treated, you know. And that's why like you just mentioned jasmine, you know, a lot of this stuff is going to be normal to her. It's abnormal to some of us since we haven't lived through it and childhood. But and if you decades is going to be normal to those kids seeing a lot of this. So I mean, it's just let people do their thing that that's that's their life. Don't don't go. Putting your more your moral views up upon it. And that's coming from a Christian. I grew up in a group owner turf. I still go to church, I'm a Christian. I have love for everybody. Just because my religion doesn't agree with certain things doesn't mean. I don't have love for people like support their decisions to do certain things. Right. It's that that's one thing is. You know, a lot of people think, for example, Christians feel a certain way about things because they've heard Christian say things about gay homosexuals or or trans people, and that's not that's not most of us. Most of us just have love for people. You know what I mean? And just because the bible says something this maybe don't have love for people have let them do their own thing. So it's just a it's a I guess a difficult subject for people to talk about just because everyone comes from. I don't know everyone has their moral view. They had things that they've been brought up being taught, and it's just slept people live their own lives. I think we're in a pretty interesting time, though, I think people that are between the ages of about twenty to forty are. Have a similar frame of mind where? Yeah. They don't really care too much about, you know, white black or or otherwise, they also don't they're not offended or don't think anything weird about a white person being with a black person or an Asian person being with a Mexican person or people being homosexual or an and also even like on a political side of things, I think that people you talk about like identifying with things I don't think people even identify anymore with being like, a Republican or democrat as much as they used to, you know, most of the country is like kinda down the middle on sort of everything, and he got kind of old school people will say, well, that's you know, you don't want people that are down the middle on it. It's gonna you know cause the whole world. You know to burst into flames, which who knows could be the case. I don't know. But I think we're at a good time. And I I hope that people can better understand each other. I had a friend the other day said something that was just like it just it just kind of blew my mind. You know, she's she's Asian. She's married to an African American. She's having he's having children. So while she's been dating this guy. And they're they're married and stuff. It took her parents like three years to get used to and to be comfortable with him being African American at first they dated, and it wasn't that big of a deal. But then as they progressed they were like, well, what if you have children? She's like, well, what if we have like we're in love like I wanna have like this guy. This is the best guy ever met kind of guy ever met. And then a lot of the stuff that they would say would be like. Yeah. You know, he's delighted for surprise. He's really cool for a black guy. She was like can we leave that? He's like do you guys not understand like you guys have been on the other side of racism yourself? Yeah. She's like do you not understand? But they just didn't even know like, you know, they're just they're ignorant. They haven't they haven't rubbed elbows a enough with the with other cultures to know. It's it sucks. It's unfortunate. But what she said was she said that on Martin Luther King day. Her husband said, she said, hey, we should celebrate Martin Luther King day. She was like, cool, please. Like, all right. And she didn't she didn't even she didn't ask why or anything. She said. Okay. Sounds fun. And then they went out to eat. And she said, and he said he tows it and said, you know, we wouldn't be together. If it wasn't for him. You know, we well legally like we're not going to be able to get married, and she's like, I almost cried. 'cause she like I didn't eat. She's like, I'm so dumb. I didn't even think about it. But he's like he's fucking right. It wasn't for him. Yeah. We probably legally wouldn't be able to get married still. Or who knows where he, you know, all that stuff is really interesting to me. And I just I hope people can find some more even ground has. We're all human beings everyone. Everyone feels happy. Everyone feels sad. Everyone. Feels mad everyone feels all these different emotions and in the end. We all are born, and we all fucking die. It's all it's all very similar for all of us. No matter where we come from. Yeah. Is a tough question. Ask what his name's Jason just acid if you didn't know Matt before. And or after you know, like, what do you think you would have felt like seeing the transformation like? I mean is there any way you could simulate what how you would feel about it? If you didn't know her I'm from a very like small town like small city like so I haven't been exposed to a lot of these things. I mean, I I I'm somebody who doesn't mind being very like open about my feelings. Like if I see two guys kissing. I'm still uncomfortable with it. Like, I don't know. Like, maybe I'm a, you know, maybe I'm abnormal for that. Or maybe more people feel like I do. But it just don't say it. I feel as uncomfortable with that. As if I see somebody missing an arm like I'm going to kind of look at it and be like, oh, like shit, the guys miss, and then I don't know how to act after that. Right. Yeah. I haven't been exposed to a lot of these things when I was young the school that I went to we had one black kid in the school from the time. I was in elementary school all the way through is the same kid, you know, the entire time. I had like two or three Asian kids in my class and the rest. Paul just white hillbillies pretty much. And so that's that's my upbringing. That's what I know. My grandfather was racist. I've heard him use the N word countless times. I'm not proud of that. But that's just again, I'm not afraid to be transparent and just to be open. So you know, I kind of was a little sheltered towards some of that stuff. So to even being friends with Matt it's still weird to me. It's still strange to me. However, I'm not against I'm for it. And whether I knew her before or or whatever, I would still feel the same way. I'd still be for it. Like, I wasn't exposed these things when I was young. But as I got older, and I got exposed and seen more things. I was like, well, this doesn't make any sense to act this way towards other people like there's no truth based in in any of this. There's no, you know, the things that people thought about African Americans or the things that people thought about Hispanics like this is ridiculous. There's absolutely no truth to any of this. You know, same thing with the things that we thought about how many times we're going to do this. Same thing the same things we thought about women like women shouldn't be able to vote like really like. What? That was a thing. That's embarrassing. Yeah. That's that's complete to me. It's completely embarrassing. But. It is part of our history. It is part of where we're at. But. Yeah. Either way, you know, I'd be supportive of of DNA either way. Man. I thought that was a great question and great. Yeah. Just because it was a good question. Same guy. He wanted to shout out someone else named Jason who has a meet six weeks out from now. But I figured he earned it because I was dope question. So good luck to your buddy. Jason. Yeah. You'll get it. Yeah. What else you guys got? Yeah. Last thing I want to end with his, you know, again, these amazing conversations I got you know, at the booth and just the different people. I've heard from. I know you guys heard from a lot of people mentioning their impacted by the podcast at losing weight and stuff and one of the guys brought the fact that he's just very insecure, and he wasn't really sure on how to get like momentum, and how to feel stronger, and how to feel better Andrew I think that you'd be good answer some of these questions like what were some things that they got you started and not only started. But like knighted enough to continue into keep into. Keep going. Yeah. Well, damn I wasn't expecting that. I mean 'cause you're fired up. Now. There's there's no turning back for you now. Yeah. Well, I mean, I I'm not gonna lie. Like when when somebody gives me a compliment, I'm still like looking for the camera. Like, okay. Who's setting me up right now in punked? Yeah. Exactly. Like somebody came up to me today. Who was but we had posted a picture we trained Matt winnings. Jim, and we did a group photo. And he's just like, man your arm leg jacked. And we'll just like, thanks. Appreciate it Manley. Yeah. Working where smokey. Yeah. I'm like did he put you up to this? Yeah. It was Josh. That's who it was intern. Josh. And so like that that's that gives me huge motivation yesterday, I had abbreviated back workout. But I had a pretty good latte pump. I'll take a shower, and I took my shirt off. And I was like try to like flex, you know, damn yo who's that? That's all right away. That's all right away. I'm like berry get in here. I still do that my wife. I'm you gotta check this out. There's a new vein to check this out. And like, I got the light. Right. And like it just popped out. So good. And she did it she. Yeah. Yeah. So obviously, that's a huge motivating factor right there. But where it all started is I've always been the skinny guy. I've always been the guy who is super like unethical even though like I tried to play sports and stuff. But you know, once I hit junior high everyone's way bigger than me. And instead of using that as motivation to push me, right, then and there push me the opposite direction and you want to insecurities in junior high. Everyone's bigger than you, your your Heith wise, you're pretty good with everybody. But like skinny, and, you know awkward, you know, everyone, you know, as a team, you you kind of have like the lengthy arms and stuff when you're little, you know, hunched over and stuff. So there was that. And then as I got older, I didn't I still didn't train. I didn't have any like guidance or anything like that. That. So like when he started hitting the as where your bar hopping and stuff, it's like why the fuck is every time we go out somebody's messing with me. It's like, oh because I was always the smallest guy at the bar. You know, and so that was really frustrating. So I I ended up taking some boy tie classes and stuff, but like I didn't like pursuit or anything. Because what happened there when he starts sparring with somebody? I want that guy. And then it's like, okay, I'm going to just go all out because I know he can't do shit to me. So that pushed me away from that too. Yeah. But once I started I found the gym, you know, because I got what Stephanie we did cross fit first. And then once we actually got a gym membership. I started putting on size, and I started feeling better. So some of the insecurities went away. But then when I look at the numbers that I was putting up versus like the smallest guy that I could see in the gym just like, Dan, I guys lifting like twice as much as me. Was there any like videos or books or was like did you check out like bodybuilding dot com? Could you like find some information, and that inspired you to kind of push forward? Yeah. So we we got involved with one of the like direct sales companies. So they had some things that were like helping like supplements and stuff that's what it was just like selling supplements. So I found rich frowning. So I I would like just get all hyped up over cross fit and stuff like that. But like I didn't love doing cross Vitz. I didn't pursue that at all. So I went to YouTube Elliott awnings, Jack. Yeah. And he was super Jackson's like, man, whatever that guys doing. I followed Elliott wholesome quite a bit CT Fletcher was the first guy that I would like T Fletcher you hear this all the time. Right. Yeah. But I followed him for motivation. But for like instructions, it was y'all Elliott trying to learn how to dead lift from him. Hey, so here. Yeah. So that was that was a huge help. And then it was just who was I don't know if you guys heard of Joseph, wreckage Joseph wreckage, rare. I never heard of him. I just randomly popped up on I think Instagram or maybe it was YouTube. Yeah. And he was selling fitness plans or whatever. And I mean, I knew nothing right. Like, there's probably like at that point thousands of free ones that were better. But I was like whatever screw it. Okay. It's like it was like a hundred bucks for a year of like monthly like alternating plans or whatever. Yeah. So I did that. And that's what really carried me onto like really falling in love with fitness. I would always get hurt. I would get into a good group for like a month or two and then like my back with Sar bothering me. And I give up like anytime, I get momentum. Like, this is just me. This is my body, and I would give up myself than photography will take off. And then that would slow down then finished would pick up again. But as far as in person coaching or training, there was nobody available. Yeah. I you know, I would ask around a little bit. But I was always real timid in the gym like when. Somebody was lifting big. I would just be like, oh, man. Like like, how did you get to live so much? And I think you know, because I was so timid I would like whisper they couldn't hear me. And so like all the guys just the dick. He doesn't wanna talk to me. But it's like, well, you're not really being open person to, you know, want to like nobody wants to hang out with that guy. So it was tough because I had nothing to offer them. Do you like did you get frustrated, and and like, you know, you 'cause like lifting takes a long time like to show up, especially if you don't know much about like nutrition, especially if you kinda don't know how to train so did you work out, workout workout, and then be like like not any different than I was or were you making enough progress where you felt pretty good? No, it was it was extremely frustrating. Because I had like literally doesn't make any difference you can lift and like you sometimes won't see anything. No, let's nutrition is there to support it. Yeah. I have some before pictures when I first started, and that's the other things. So I technically I started going to the gym when I was twenty seven, and I have pictures of me at twenty seven you're going to be like older than that e professor, right? Yeah. So imagine. Yeah. Never going to the gym to this day ever, you know. So that's that's the the the canvas that I was working with. But. But I I mean. Yeah. One sixty if I was lucky at this height. Okay. You know and all one sixty right in my stomach. You know, like skinny arms skinny legs, but having zero like idea what the hell to do at least early on until I did buy that program. And then I had at least something to go off of which was huge but super frustrating because like I said, I would see like a high school football kid would come in. And just fifteen for rap like nothing, and I'm just like do I genuinely like I remember getting stuck under the bar at ninety five pounds like looking around like l just like hard not just come on. Let's just go who. Ooh. And if all right back on me Jordan Peterson at the same story really stuck on her like sixty five pounds. Wow. Something like that. Yeah. He mentioned that once. Yeah. Then you just slowly that he was talking about how like getting better at that helped him with a lot of other things too. Now, he benches five hundred pounds. I'm on my way. He. But yeah, then having a dump that that way. And of course, you know, when you dump the weight in a gym everyone stops and looks at you and just like gosh like. Do you think like this past year? Right. Do you think this is the best like Sears training? You've had out of like your whole how how old are you, by the way? So I'm thirty three now thirty three now. So like this past year not in like like full year compared to like your years of training before is this the best year of training you've had so absolutely. Because I I think I've seen the most growth out of you physically within the past year yet. And it's like like you have all this progress. You're going to be making. Yeah. Like, how it in terms that insecurity thing? Do you feel that like that physical change that you're seeing now has helped you out a lot? Or is it like how's that? Now absolutely has because another one of the the huge biggest insecurity things in. I'm going to get a lot of shift from this. But whatever it's just what actually happened. You know, I'm with my girl all the time. If a dude sees a chick that's hot. And she sees his she's he sees her, man. And he's this like tiny fucking tetherball pole thing. She doesn't actually have a boyfriend at that point. So there'd be do that would come up to her. And just like I'm standing next to her. And they just completely ignore me. Like what the fuck is going on here. Yeah. So that was another driving factor. But now things are way different. You know, nobody looks they they'd still look. But then they see me now. So that's huge a lot of that too. Is like some of that might be going on. But it's so amplified in your own head because of your own perception of yourself outwardly, right? Yeah. And then once you feel better that, you know, once you feel more secure inside than less of that like exists like maybe that happens to him. And maybe that happens to me. But like, maybe we don't even notice it though, because you feel you've you feel so comfortable you're like, yeah. My girl's not going anywhere. Yeah. That's actually finding better than this. Yeah. No. That's actually that's very true, actually. Yeah. And then as far as the physical weights themselves like I mean, Mark can tell you how like in my own head. I am it's getting better. But early on it was just like, oh, I don't know, man. I don't think I can oh Ordina. No everybody is it just depends on the weight. You know source of somebody else it might be a higher weight. But. A lot of self doubts going to creep in especially any any negative reinforcement the ever have with anything just creates more negative reinforcement to be sitting there. You know, you miss a lift of because of you miss a dead lift because like your grip. The odds of you missing the next deadline because you're gripper pry pretty high. You're like, oh, try that before and my grip gave out and you're thinking like what have I done for my grip training. That's going to go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Last time I tried that hurt by shoulder, and then you're halfway down with the wait on a bench press. And you just take it, you know, because you've told yourself at your shoulder her and now, you're you're screwed. Yeah. It really. Yeah. Having that doubt. I know training by myself a couple of times like closer to the to the ST classic. Like, you know, I had some some numbers because Mark gave me that. I wanted to hit for whatever day it was. And I remember I got close to three hundred to ninety five dead lift, and I looked at it my highest do this. And I put my hands on the barn. Like fuck. I don't know if I can do this. And I went for it. And like I missed it. And then I got sick. And like this whole like domino effect of things happened. It was like why did I even like stop and question like, I should just let go the bar and call it a day or something because like it was it was bad. So that's you know, I'm always in my head. So being. Being with market has definitely been the most beneficial thing, obviously. 'cause you know, most of the time he just calls the wait for me. But now that I kind of have a better understanding of where a match strength wise. It I have the confidence to actually push myself because before I didn't and I would hit like a plateau. So I thought yeah. But it's just because I'm in my head thinking like, oh, like exactly he said like, you know, the last time I tried that. I couldn't push it. I can pull it or I hurt something. I you know, whatever it is. But now it's like, no I've done that. I can do more now. And that's been another thing because as will tell you it spills out over into everywhere else in my life, which is huge, you know, just cool as like a lot of times rather than him asking hill like halfway tell me slash ask a question. So, you know, maybe like for dead lift training session. He might say, you know, I was thinking about doing the trap bar, you know, because having. Done it in a while. And I was thinking about going for you know, kind of see what that feels like for today. And then I'll just give him a rep rep range trying to follow, you know. And so rather than like him saying, hey, who do I do, you know, he's like asking like he's got a couple of suggestions. Because he already knows halfway at least what he should be doing. And then he might be like, okay. And then after that I'll finish up with some hamstrings and couple other exercises, and maybe some latte work and like, Yep. Yeah. Check. Yep. There you go you got it. And that's, you know, back to what we've said on previous podcast about education, you know, coming from within having to be drawn from within. It's like how you're gonna ever truly learn anything unless it's kind of something that you're really attracted to and something that you're that you are drawing from within back to what we said earlier in the podcast like you probably know two or three really good ideas towards what are some things that can get you better. What are some things that you can get you towards your goals? I would imagine that you know, those two or three. Do things better than anyone in the world better than you know, better than asking, Gary or Chuck or you know, like better than asking anybody else in the world better than asking your dad, your mom. I mean, those are great people to rely on to great people great resources, and you should ask questions. But no one's gonna know better than yourself. So it's like, what do you need to do to get bigger arms? I mean, you probably can list out a couple of things pretty rapidly. What do you need to do to lose fifteen pounds? Again. You you probably know. Yeah. I think it was Andy Galvin he when he says that, you know, people come up to them. Like, man, I'm trying this diet, and it's just it's not working out. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. And he just stares at them. Okay. Like like. Yeah. I I guess you. Yeah. You know? I I haven't been hitting like one hundred percent. But a man, I'm close, do you think I should do this or this? And he just stares at them. And he was like all right. Yep. You're right. You're right. You're I'm going to go do this. He's just he's just like eat will not saying a word on them harder and harder. Yeah. You know? It's this like, yeah. You know? Honestly that is the funniest. Yeah. Because I mean, he he's so knowledgeable. Right. So people want to go to him and ask for like, you know, advice on nutrition and whatnot. But he just will sit there and stare at them. And he was like they know exactly what the answer is. They just want somebody to tell them, you know, this way or that way. But they all know they have it within them. That's no, that's very true. A lot of time. Like, we are waiting for the person that we feel is more knowledgeable than us to tell us the thing that we already know. So that we feel confidence go and do that. Yeah. Reassuring that right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like leading up to the SC classic, insecurity. Yeah. Yeah. Is having a hard time Pullman damn weight up off the floor something like, hey, Mark is a. I do reverse bands. And Meanwhile, I mean, we had never done reverse bands ever this whole meet prep, and it's just like it's a good idea. And it was because I was insecure about my damn dead lifts I wanted a little boost off the ground and it worked out really well, a huge goal for everybody in each and every day that you have is is to work on like your number one priority should be. How do I feel? How do I how do I help myself feel really good for today? And sometimes like in your strength training in your in your goals to get leaner and stuff you might need to figure out a way to like throw yourself some underhand pitches. Make things like it's great to make things hard. And it's great to be disciplined. But if you're starting to find yourself, that's all that you're doing is always being so strict so disciplined, it might be time for a little bit of a change in in your in your lifting. It might be a good idea to. Like, you're trying to get stronger and squat. And it's just not happening. You've been trying for three months, and it's just you're just stuck. Well, it'd be great idea that just forget about it in some sense and try some different things. Try some walking lunges try some higher rep squats shorter rest periods. Try some bodybuilding for a few weeks, try some leg presses and some different movements. Just get yourself. Get yourself away from that and figure out what is something challenging enough that I can do that still going to be fun. Maybe, you know, with Andrews example, maybe you do a reverse band squat. Maybe you squat with some knee wraps on. Maybe you do some box squats that are a little bit high just so you can handle some weight to. So you you feel whatever way it is that you're trying to feel same thing with the bench press, maybe use a slingshot for a few weeks in your effort to lose body weight. Well, maybe you've been in a clerk deficit for two years. I know people that do that people are just riding out these eighteen hundred calorie diets for endless amounts of time. Maybe it's time to say no what I'm just gonna. I'm gonna take like you're not gonna die. Take a week off. From your diet. Sounds like forever. When you when you've been strict for a while take a week off. You'll be surprised you might even actually lose weight in that week. And by the time the week gets towards the end of the week. You're you're pretty much through most of the junk foods that you wanted to hit up anyway, and you'll probably start to be more reasonable with your food. But you know, try to figure out some things that are gonna make you not necessarily just like happy. But make you feel good put you in a good mood, and then you can get back to being strict, but get back to being disciplined back some of the things that we mentioned earlier, which was kind of idea of, you know, working on things that make you great working on things that make you better and not always gravitating towards things that make you happy. But you're going to have to figure out a little balance with some of that like what's something that's going to put me in a good mood. I know for me instantly, good mood, hang out my kids automatic. I mean every once in a while. Jimmy crazy, but it's almost automatic. Because they're gonna say something funny or they're gonna say something off the wall. It's gonna make me laugh, and it's like, okay. There we go boom. We're we're in a good spot. Now, let's go let's go for frozen yogurt, or let's go on a walk or let's do this or that. And it instantly puts me in a good mood. You know, not yet. As far as insecurities are just anything just anything. Anything took my whole speaking of paying out the kids took my daughter in some a niece and nephew to seaquest. Quest. It's like a like a aqua- petting zoo. Basically. Yeah, I think it's in Folsom. It's pretty don't go. They had like stingrays all over the place. Oh shit. And so like you like walk like crazy. Yeah. It's where I just I couldn't help it. I made all kinds of silly stuff on my Instagram. I g story it just. Yeah. But it was it was tons of fun, man. And are you big into embarrassing your daughter not too much because she's she's really hard to embarrass. Oh. If if Stephanie starts singing, she gets a little like come on mom, but not is she so outgoing. She's like if I I don't know start like fortnight, dancing or something. She'll jump up into it. Right. Next minute. Like, she don't care. Yeah. Yeah. And then if anything it's going to be the opposite man because she's so outgoing. I'm just like oh my gosh. Here we go again. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. I think I was telling April about it. And so I think she should take your kids because will love it. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I never heard of it. I know that's the thing. My Instagram story. People were like hitting me up. The were the hill. Are you like just go Smith was like, what's? Like, I said, I got silly with my story. So she choose she asked me about it too. And she hadn't heard I don't think she heard about it either. Pretty Bill spot out of stuff is popping up and sack. Yeah. The sack thus. I think it's all the time. We got strength is never week this week this never strength. Catch y'all later.

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Mat Fraser | How to Eat, Train, and Think Like a Champion

TRAINED

29:43 min | 2 years ago

Mat Fraser | How to Eat, Train, and Think Like a Champion

"Welcome to trained. I'm Ryan flirty senior director performance at Nike. I've trained some of the world's best athletes. Like, Russell Wilson Marcus mariota. And Serena Williams at Nike. We believe that greatness isn't born it's trained and training is more than just a workout each episode. We'll bring you conversations with leading experts in what we call the five facets of training movement recovery, sleep, nutrition and mindset this week we bring you the final episode of season one of trained. We'll be back at the end of December. So make sure to subscribe. So you'll hear from us when we return with season two until then we've got something pretty special for this last episode, one of the crazy things about working at Nike is that the place you show up to work is also the same place where some of the world's best athletes go to improve their game, and it's a privilege because sometimes you get a sit down with one of those acids. This week's guest is Matt Frazier. The three time cross fit world champion he stopped by the Nike campus to talk to our footwear team about the next generation. Of Nike met con Matt's been an awesome partner over the last few years, helping us stay close to what athletes need from their shoes. And this time he also took us through a workout. It was no joke guys. It was so hard. I had a great time. Talking with MAC, not only is he at the heart of some of our best met con innovations. But he has some great insight for people who train whether you're a beginner ordering expert. He might be known as the fittest man on earth, but it's not all metals and victories. He's gone through some really big lows in some really high highs and tries to balance the pressure of winning with his love for the sport. I think you'll take a lot away from this episode. So let's get to it. Matt. Thank you, man. Really? Appreciate come on the show today. Absolutely. Absolutely. So can you just talk a little bit about how you got into cross fit in you know, that journey. So it started out. So I did Olympic weightlifting for ten years. And at the end of my weight if career, you know, I think I just got just got burnt out. My my big goal was to make the Olympics. But I I saw where I wasn't the rankings. So I was never I didn't think it was possible for myself to get that number one spot just got burnt out on weightlifting, you know, big recovery from my back at broke my L five in two spots. Oh. Alyssa, big surgery. Big rehab coming back and just took too much autumn evening me lose the love for it. Yeah. So I just went went to school fulltime at UVM. And and just typical college student gained a bunch of weight. You know, wasn't wasn't happy with how how I was looking feeling anything. And so I said, okay, I'll I'll start doing weightlifting again just stain shape. Getting just. Yeah. Just get in better shape. I don't wanna compete at want to try to hit certain numbers just casual for fun. And and has no one with weightlifters. You know, if if you're outta town in need barbells and bumpers you go to across gym. So I just Google cross fit in Vermont Champlain valley cross it popped up. I went in introduced myself. And and there are more than happy to let me come in us use their weights. And and then those basically, you know, Champlain valley was hosting across competition. And and the owner said. I want you to sign up for it. And I didn't have the fifty bucks for the entry fee. So he signed me up with the deal that, hey, if if if you win any prize money this competition, you need to buy a pair of shoes that are appropriate for the gym and. So do you wearing what shoes were you wearing? I was also I was I was wearing Airmax nineties with a little air bubble. And I remember he he pulled me aside. I was doing back squats one day with like four zero five Ono's. Like, hey, I don't know you should be doing that. Those air bubbles are great. But I don't know about four or five hundred. Yeah. Exactly. So anyways, they. I I ended up winning the competition, and it was five hundred bucks prize. And and for me like I'd never won a dime to a weight lifting so five hundred bucks. Call my God. Yeah. Is it great? As a broke college student. That's a lot of money. And and so I asked nor are there more competitions like this in the area. They said all you every weekend you can hit hit one up. And so I started doing, you know, driving around New England if if there's any prize money, I was showing up and slowly built, you know, hit a five hundred dollar competition than thousand two thousand four thousand you know, like for the situation. I was at awesome. Oh my God. This is great. You know, and then that just kind of slowly built up into competing at regional is going to the games and my first year at the games, I grabbed a second place, which was completely unexpected. So through the roof, and I was like, okay. I think we're going to give this thing. An honest dry. That's incredible man. That's a great story. So three years running now cross games champion. That's it's pretty amazing feat. I mean, it's how does it feel? How do you? How do you feel for winning for third time? You know after this year is a big relief. You know every year. There's there's an enormous sense of accomplishment and being proud of myself. But there was a big relief. You know coming to the end of the weekend. And it's like, okay. Everything worked out. Yeah. No doubt. What with the way that we've structured? I mean for me looks like it pretty much comes down to how you recover. What are you? What do you do throughout the week to recover to get your body back as best you can for the next event, a huge huge piece of of competing? There is is recovery. You know, I'm I'm doing everything I can throw the entire five days. And you know, every piece of what I'm doing is revolved around that. And you know, I have a great team around me. I my fiance Sammy that just when we're. Out the games, you know, there's a massage table setup in in the hotel room. And basically as soon as I'm done the marathon row. She's just sitting there for an hour, two hours. Yeah. Just doing body work on me very kindly, reminding me that I need to eat just like force feeding me because you know, if something like that I have no appetite. I don't wanna do anything. But but she knows and she's in a bit of a clear head space for sure. Just tell me like no you're going to. Yeah. Yeah. How do how do you? What's your nutrition? Like, so I I don't follow paleo zone. Anything like that? And I basically just try to eat wholesome foods non-processed stuff, you know, just clean meat vegetables, fruit. I don't track any my food. I just try to eat consistently throughout the day. You know, couple years ago, I paid no attention to my my Nyein eight terribly, and I had these huge peaks and valleys in in my energy levels throughout the day when I'm training and and affected my training, you know, start lifting heavy and and beginning lightheaded, and I look back. My all. Yeah. Haven't eaten in twelve hours. Yeah. So like on the verge of passing out right now. So it's just a nice consistent energy level. My body weight stays fairly fairly consistent throughout the whole season. What do you want that? What do you want your body would generally I found I usually feel best and? Perform best when I'm sitting light one ninety s so in between one ninety one ninety five dot u. But when I first started started in the sport, I once had a three month period where my body weight went from one sixty nine to two or three while I was a fulltime student and guiding eating Chinese food often shot five times a week. You know, my training wasn't consistent. You know, my gymnastics all of a sudden becomes a weakness because I've just gained thirty pounds my weight lifting goes through the roof. There's that balance. Right. I mean. Yeah. And then so going into competition. It's, you know, certain workouts, come up when I'm I'm thinking like, I'm not the same person. I was three months ago. How do I TAC this work out? What's the best approach for me? You know? So now, it's just trying to keep everything consistent. And so when I go into a workout with something that I've never seen before. I know how my body's gonna react. Yeah. You know? So you you talk about training training the way you do it again, my experience with with some of the athletes I've worked with is. There's this intrinsic motivation. I think a lot of times athletes, go from this. Journal motivator where they're trying to get out of the situation. They're in there. They want you know, money, they need, you know, financially you're trying to work their way out. But it always has to come back to an intrinsic internal, you know, motivation for for them. What is yours? So, you know, I I don't think I'm any different you know, in the start. I've I've always been fairly open about it. Because I know it's not the popular answer. But in the beginning, it was purely financial survi- you're just trying to live in the so from the start of my career. It was anytime I got any money from competition or sponsor anything. I would take ten percent by something that I wouldn't normally buy you know, and whether. Like, a nice designer pair of jeans, you know, like just something that frivolous that. Himself or. Yeah. Exactly, you know. And then I'll take the rest put in savings pretend like it didn't exist it's stashed away from future. And so I I did that for probably the first two years. And and someone asked me, you know, what are you saving up for? I thought you know, if I could end my cross career and have a down payment for a house. I I'd be very happy. And I remember they laughed all they they thought that was the funniest thing. And they laughed. No. I just kind of said, okay. We'll see. We'll see what happens in in the future. Yeah. But I know how I am. I set a goal. I'm I'm not going to stop until I hit you see those those people are so good. And I mean, like, I I understand where they were coming from in terms of you know, what are you saving for the answer's probably for most people like, oh, I wanna buy dirt by girl. Want to buy a watcher down cars, you know. So having that answer is probably out of left field. And that's kind of why they gave about it. But, but for me that was you know, if I could end this and basically come out of college with the down payment on a house, you'd all I think that it's given me good stepping-stone for my future. Yeah. Did you get there? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, you know, after my first year at the games, those a decent paycheck for second place. And you know, I just kept setting goals in kind of chipping away at them usually get into them a little bit sooner than I was expecting. And so the goal is just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and. Here. We are. Yeah. That's amazing. You know, the athletes I work with that. I we do a lot of the goal setting stuff and taking them through making them really tangible things like that. Like, I want a down payment on a house in two years. Like, you have to have those types of things to where you you have that in your mind that you're you're striving for otherwise, you know, you don't you don't know how you don't know where you're going unless you you can see it you'll be able to visualize and see that kind of stuff, so mentally how do you how do you grapple with that that success that you've had to you know, I to say, wow. This is amazing. You know, and just look back on your life and be blown away by what's happened so far. But also how how do you use that in and not let it get to you where you get comfortable, you know, being at the top because most athletes, I work with a no be once you get to the top. That's the hardest part then is is maintaining and staying there because everyone's shooting for you. You know, I think I think a big thing that that helps with that is just going through and thinking like this could have so easily not been my life. You know it. I I don't know what caused it to happen. But I could have very easily just graduated college gotten a nine to five and a cubicle. And I mean that you can write the rest of the story from there. Yeah. And you know, I probably would have been very happy doing something. But that's not what happened, and so we've gone to travel the world to have all these crazy experiences meet some phenomenal people, and and at the end of it during it, you know, we're sitting there like how did this happen? You know, how did we end up here? Yeah. This is crazy. It's phenomenal. Yeah. And then following following that up is how did we get here? You know, it's it's that hard work, you know, in those long days. And so, you know, it's just keeping that strong support system around that good or bad. Yeah. They're there. Yeah. Do you vision for your career from here on out? So, you know, kind of on that aspect of things, you know, I I don't have. A number that I'm chasing or anything. You know? I feel like setting up the goals of like, okay? I want to I want to win this many titles. There's so many variables I go into that. That are out of my control that something could happen. And it could just cut cut my goal off like and had nothing to do with me. Oh, yeah. You can't. Yeah. Driving driving home, and you get t-boned by car and you have an injury. And that takes out first season you have zero control. Yeah. I mean apart while I was asking you to because last time you won the games we're on campus in just chatting, you said something stuck with me. And I I actually repeated a few times if you if you work with is that you mentioned something about rowing in your basement like staring at a white wall for hours on on end. And nobody sees that work. You know, they see they see like you go into the box and doing doing the work out with people, but they don't see that afternoon session where you're grinding on arowar by yourself kind of just staring at a wall. You know, that love of that lonely work that I think is what separates the great ones from the every day. Yeah. You know? And I I didn't always have a great work ethic. You know, I was I w-. Is your typical teenager lazy? You know, cutting corners all that. And I remember I remember the first time I had that feeling of satisfaction of I worked my ass off. And I got the results I was striving for and it wasn't it wasn't workout related that was in school know, when I first started school fulltime, I did very poorly. You know, I treated it the way I always treated school like when I was in high school. I didn't I didn't do homework. I didn't study for a test and reflected when I started taking real college classes, and yeah, seeing these great and I'm like, oh, I'm in trouble. And so a friend of mine that did very, well, how did you? How did you do that? Oh, boy study a lot hate like Duan showing me how to study and any did he the next day? He's going up to library to sit in librarian. Just read the text book the chapters that were required and. No, just simple stuff. But it was so foreign to me. Yeah. I didn't even know where to start. And I assume that's how a lot of people are that have never set foot into Jim before. It's very intimidating. You know, you walk in and everyone else looks like they know what they're doing. And it's like, oh, man. I miss. I miss something. I don't know what to do, you know? But you know, I I don't think it's coincidence that so many people that are successful in one area are also successful in other areas. You know? We're going to take a quick break. But we come back. We'll hear more from Matt razor stick around. Training doesn't just happen in the gym getting fit is about working out eating right sleeping, well and letting your body recover and all of that can start with Nike training club. You'll find unlimited free workouts and holistic guidance from Nike experts. It's even got workouts with some of the same drills that Matt does the state bit. And personally, I use the app to work out anywhere my living room hotel room wherever have a bit of space. So download it now available on both Android. I o s. So Matt you went from being a college kid earning five hundred dollars a competition to being a sponsored athlete and the fittest man on earth. Can you just talk about how it feels to be at that level? It doesn't feel real, you know, it's. It's very odd. I still look at myself as that normal scenario, you know, just regular day to day, you know, so, you know, seeing something like that it just doesn't the new real. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of it has built up over time, very gradual. So you know, the normal gets moved an inch than other engine. So it's very gradual. And someone wants told me, you know, some guy was somebody was talking about them reaching the pinnacle of their field. I forget where what they were in. But he said that the quote was, you know, happened over it happened all of a sudden over a long period of time, basically. Yeah, exactly you like it just happened to other people just happened all of a sudden. But you when you look back you can really trace it back to a very long period of time. You know, but even though fell still feels like, and it's like just just this just happened to me remember being that college kids studying in that room now being Nike athlete. You obviously have an amazing opportunity. It's going to take part in designing, you know, shoes and being a part of the met con- like how does it feel to be? Part of the design process for the shoe that you know, so many people will use in where you know, it was when it first happened. I I remember it specifically, you know, there there was a handful of us athletes that we're all brought out to Oregon and into Nike headquarters, and they're like are we're going to make all you guys meet with all the designers and people that have input on on the shoe, and they want to hear your thoughts. So, you know, I I kind of roll my eyes like, no, they don't they don't. They don't want my input. You know? And you know, I just figured it was type of thing. Like, it's such a big company. There's so many moving parts that it doesn't matter. What we say? You know, it's the such a huge ship to try to change. Their course, even one degree a lot of power a lot of time. And so they asked are inputs in. You know, is there anything on this shoe that? You wanna see different next year on the next mar Bubba? And and I remember I gave my input. And then it was like a matter of weeks later. They sent me a prototype. I'm like, oh my God. Like, you guys listened you did it, and and that was so unbelievable to me of like how popular this product is. How many people are seeing how many people are working on it? And then you're listening to my opinion in this random board room, and then it happened. And so that was just mind boggling to me to realize they're actually listening to my opinion. And so every model coming out since then it's been the same thing. And so now, I definitely take more time to form an opinion and make sure as well stated and actually because he really the thing to you. Before the first time, I went in just so so nonchalant didn't think my what I was going to say beforehand nothing. And then they listen made the changes. And so I realized the weight of it, and I realized that there's more of an opportunity to make a much better product as especially like, this is the shoe. I want this. I want to see happen. And there's a strong possibility that they're gonna listen make an panel. That's incredible. Hey, you're you're you're in rare rarified air, there's only few athletes in the world that get chance to really contribute on his shoes. It's pretty cool opportunity. Can you talk a little bit about one advantage? You feel like the con- gives you in your training. Yeah. You know? There's definitely a couple that jump out and kind of like what we're talking about. Before of, you know, the first meeting we had, and she know what what changes would you like to see the shoe, and and they listen in the the one thing that jumped out to me was in the media said like, you know, a problem. I see all the time is like we do a lot of handstand push ups. Why not make the he put little he'll clip on the shoe that was just out of different material that slid up and down the wall for handstand push. It wasn't state like, you know. Catchy. Like, it wasn't like soft rubber that's taking because you know, we we saw a bunch of 'em when I first started competing you'd see guys if the worker star of handstand push ups, they take the tube socks and pull them down or sneakers. So that they had a smooth service to go against. Yeah. And something that for for me looking at it. I'm like, this is such an easy change and the benefit is going to be huge. And no one else has done it. Yeah. And and so that that was the iterating on the next prototype that I got on my whole my God this crazy. That's cool. And another thing that just super simple was was like the grips for rope climbs, you know, it's type of thing that. If you don't use it. It's not in the way. It doesn't affect you at all. But they they incorporated it. So it looks good. So it's not like yet. It doesn't stick out. But then it's just so effective that when you do go to do that movement. It's just makes life. So she had to keep your your shoes, you know, last way adorable. Yeah. That's great. What would you say is your which your favorite Goto, color way and model? I mean, any anytime I can get an all blocking gum Gomersall. It's. I I love. Yeah. Okay. Awesome. And you know, the. Every model of the mecca. That's come out. When when they first show me, the the Numa this what's going to get releasing a couple months. I always like, oh, you know. I I've grown to love this shoe. I'll probably keep wearing this one. And then the new model comes out. I wear a Mike. Okay. Yep. This one's just on repeat every time. Yeah. So right now, it's if I'm in the gym, I have I have on the MAC on force that so that you go to that's what so think of the last work that you did the work that you're about to do tell people what that workout is those people wanted to follow along they could with you for one day. I've taken the better part of a month off. Yeah. But most likely for me, it'll be a challenging work outside. Just I'll I'll jump in with. So I think yesterday we did was a twenty minute Eamonn. I think there's five stations suggest rotating through and it was like made at one was looking at Jila lady course with burpee broad jumps minute to was. Like twenty twenty setups minute. Three was twenty thrusters. And four was what was it? Oh overhead walking lunges with a forty five pound play. And then twenty ball slams. Okay. Perfect. We'll just twenty minutes. Mommy yet. Simple. You know? I I like doing the emails because you're only looking thirty seconds, forty five seconds ahead. That's perfect for a lot of people who are listening, you know, 'cause I've kind of personal story about this. But a few years ago, there's a few Nike athletes that had asked for me to do some work on some strength programming for them. Just you know, small little areas that they needed weaknesses. And so I started working with them in one of the things that they came back to me with was have you ever done cross fit? And as you know, strength coach, I just never had done it. I was program for myself. Just not something I'd ever gotten into. They are like, well, you can't really write program from us unless you know, what you were feeling like, and I'm like, no it's fair. So I'll try it. So for six months, I went to a box and jumped right in right feet, and it was probably one. The most challenging things I've ever done just because it it just will attack your weaknesses. What do you feel for people who are listening that have never given crosser to try like, what would you say is a good for step for them? If they want to check it out. The simple answer is literally just just go. You know, I think I I know it's how I was when I first started a even going to a gym. And then be again, when I started doing cross fit was you know, you walk in. And it's like everyone knows where everything is everything. Like there's a lot that can be intimidating. You know, just the lingo of cross if evidence I in there, and someone's Amrop imams, you know, it can be intimidating but just being confident the fact like, okay, everyone here was a beginner at some point. And then a big I think a big part of a two is. If you're coming into a gym by yourself. You know, you already see kind of all the groups of friends in the gym will like where where do you start the conversation, you know, of getting to know people? But when you when you're coming in, you know, you're not in alone. You know, you're coming into into this experience with four or five other people that you get to know over the over the next couple of years, and you know. Yeah, that's great. What would you say the one like a communist conception about cross it you can scale it? Yeah. I any idea ability. Yeah. I I think that's a big thing to make no one for sure every every single workout has an option to where you know, if you've never touched a weight in your life. There's something you can do only if you're going to get a great workout out of it. And it's not going to crush you to where you can't, you know? I mean, you'll be sore, but it's not going to be difficult. What what last few questions we're up? We talked about earlier and something I talk about with the with every single day is you can't fall in love with the outcome and results, you gotta fall in love with the process, and you talked earlier about you. You know, staring at the rower for hours on end. You know, doing those types of things how do you continually stay, you know, in love with that that that aspect of your training? You know, the, it's definitely not just all all peaches and cream. But you know, I think I when I did fall in love with it was are going from one competition the next and aino is just something that was so bad at. And so I just was I all right? Well, when that comes up again and competition I wanted to be better. How do I work on that? And so, you know, it was just smaller doses of I want to be better at something. Okay. How do I build an attack plan to go against that? And and then seeing the results. Yeah. But just the constant reminder of, you know, all of this will pay off, you know, this is your this miserable now. But when when you're placed in front of other competitors in front of spectators, not moments going to be so glorious that you're gonna wanna spend the whole next year. Chasing that feeling again. It's a combination of that. And then also, you know, keeping my failures freshman my mind, you know, I wanted to twenty fifteen season just cutting all kinds corners, and and not doing things correctly in and just remembering, you know, the the disappointment at the end of that week and then having to live with that for the rest of the year. So you know, it's that as well. And then and then always always remembering to like, this is bigger than this moment. You know, this is. These these accomplishments are gonna follow me around the rest of my life. You know? I can I have the choice of making these memories in having your legacy. Right. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's amazing. That's that's powerful. Yeah. It's a it's a it's a choice. I make an it's like are you can you can write the story for the rest of your life. You can carry this with you. So I remember after the twenty fifteen season, you know, it was a strong possibility that I may never win may never win the games. And I'd have to live with that. You know, be the guy that the lovable loser. That kept getting second place, or whatever it was. I remember going into the twenty sixteen season. Petrified of. Hitting hitting, you know, my fifty sixties and thinking what if you know, you know, what if for that six months, I kept a solid seeps sleep schedule. What if I had just stopped eating pint of ice cream and night, you know, with with that of made the difference of me winning or getting second place. And and I I remember I dealt with our longtime of like, I'm not going to leave anything up to what if you know, what if my school schedule wasn't as tactic. What if my diet was clear what if to look better? No, I'm every aspect that goes into that. I'm doing the best version of it possible that I can do. Matt. Thank you, man. I really appreciate you taking the time to join us today. I yeah. It's it's been mazing talking best election in congrats. It's incredible. What you've done. Thank you for. Sure. Absolutely. The frame is produced by Nike training club. Pro to join the premier network for fitness professionals everywhere, go to Nike dot com slash NTC. Pro the best of Nike exclusively for trainers. That's the end of our first season of trained. Thanks for listening. You guys and sticking with the show season two starts in December. And we'll be back with more of the brightest minds holistic training. Everyone from world renowned psychologists to our own Nike master trainers to some of the biggest athletes in the world. I'm Ryan Flaherty SIA soon. Consult your doctor before engaging in an exercise program of any kind, especially if you have a medical condition use good, judgment and common sense about your own fitness level and ability when engaging in a training program, if something doesn't feel right stop immediately and seek medical attention as necessary.

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How You Should Eat in Order to Gain Muscle and Burn Fat with Giacomo Marchese and Dani Taylor

No Meat Athlete Radio

58:57 min | 1 year ago

How You Should Eat in Order to Gain Muscle and Burn Fat with Giacomo Marchese and Dani Taylor

"This episode of nomadic radio is brought to you by woop the performance tool. That is changing the way people track their fitness and optimize their training through a wrist worn heart rate, monitor that provides analytics and insights on recovery, strain and sleep. Learn more woop dot com. That's W H O O P dot com and use code no meat at checkout. As a fifteen percent. Hi, this is help Kareem. Hi, this is Katie from Washington DC near less. No meat radio. I don't know about up on the mountain for you mad, but it seems like down here. Spring has started Brown. Spring has sprung. Yes. That's the vibe. You're getting I'm getting bad flowers blooming, some some flowers blooming grasses, growing people are out mowing. Yep. I even saw some shorts this weekend. You know, what I've seen a lot of baby farm animals, baby sheep. They be cowed. To get to our house. You gotta drive all that stuff all kinds of Turkey's empty baby turkeys. But definitely a lot of baby animals out there. And that always that means it's springtime. That's funny. Having since I've never I've never thought that. I think spring is. When is when they four Tecate, right? Isn't that when they make the babies, and then I don't know how long how long typical animal baby takes to to come out. I guess we're talking mainly about mammals here. But how long do they take to come out? But it seems like it's pretty nice when they always when they start having new life new flowers new baby lambs. Baby lands and answering bears. We have not had bears yet. I've seen bear sightings. Aaron has totally about bear sightings as seen on Instagram and things like that. So people are saying they are out. So I'm on lookout. Yeah. Yeah. I think that they are I've seen seen some trash being rummaged through. Well, not being registered the remnants of bears. Yeah. Threes running is over all that it's finished any, you know, thought of marathon or ultras finished. Ribbon indoors train. Geez. It's it's too bad. It's our place in nature though. We're not meant to be out there with the animals. I don't think. Oh, man. What are they gonna do with you? But it feels the energy is feeling. So Katie is taking a guarding class this year. I've mentioned this today mentioned it on podcast about your new gardening aspirations a little bit. But I don't think you've had that. Well last year, we like we planted a garden for the first time ever, really like a true garden. And I'd say it went, okay? You know, what it went as good as you would expect for people who have no idea what they're doing. And but we had a lot of fun with it. And Elisa had a lot of fun with it. So it was great. But this year Katie is decided to take it more seriously. So she took she's taking this eight week class on gardening and has gotten super into it. You know, of course, we're not planning anything yet. Really? But we're prepping ground and everything and and the day we went, and she was like, and you just need to pick up a couple of tools that I thought we had all the gardening tools. A man we need. But apparently, we we do not. And there were some crazy Korean digging things. I mean, just like all these crazy tools with so many different things. Like you. I don't know. It was it was just it was really funny. But these tools are amazing. I will say that. I don't know why we do things the way we used to do them. Why most people use like the little shovel and all that stuff? Right. You don't need it. You have all these better way better tools. This is how they started says how farms began Doug and how you're going down the path. It's pretty soon. You're gonna have a factory farm your operating. It's supposed to be technology. Frees to be out there, and you know, tech. No. There's no tech. These are all hand tools technology, just well, okay? Computer chips fair enough. But. Is all Tikhon. It's probably all technology that is older than. You know, I don't know that is very old ancient gardening technology. And but it's all the stuff that I've never heard of before. So she's like showing me 'cause they've been demanding demoing it all in class, and she was showing me YouTube videos of the day. And I'm like man like weeding, just look so easy and fun. I can do this. I could do this. No problem. That's funny. Yeah. I guess it makes sense. I don't know. Why? I you just sort of assume gardening this like stuck in ancient times hobby. Right. We wouldn't even thought that there could be an improvement on the classic Spade. Shovel or whatever there is. But yeah. But of course, you can write these activities we can prove we just don't mind doing. Now. But I'm excited we're expecting a huge yield this. Yeah. How much did all the tools set you back more than like how many years of food? Do you need to produce before you probably at least three or four years to cover all the tools. That's the problem. I think guarding is awesome. And I love when we have it. I Aaron is the gardener in our field. And I am not really. But. I loved the stuff that comes internet garden. But I always cannot guy. You know? I mean, it's just like, okay. Well, I guess it's worth it to be able to grow grow and stuff and feel like we grow and stuff, but like the cost of the soil and the all the stuff, I guess good. And you can do whatever you do to your own soil. Always buy these things and just not just. There's a lot of money to be saved by doing your garden. Maybe there's if you do it right or at you compost yourself, and and so the other big the big thing this year is that she's taken away that she wants me to do. This year's is something or us to do something called double digging where you basically like have different microbe bio domes inside the soil, and you don't want to mix them all up. You know, like, you don't when you're when you're plowing like take right dirt's. It's foot below kind of flip it, and I think he don't wanna do that. So it's like all about this way of removing different layers of dirt putting it on like a tarp mixing that. And then putting that down. I mean, this super it's super time consuming it looks. She's trying to explain to me. It was like when when do you think we're going to do that? But I guess it's good for like five years. So we're going to just maybe maybe half the garden this year and half the garden next year man, feel immaculate. You had a good new hobby. Like that exciting. Yeah. I mean, definitely does he your own stuff? Get produced that that is fulfilling for sure. Good good for you. Everything. Good on the Matt Frazier world. Everything is pretty good. You know, kids sports are starting to get more and more intense, and it's fun. No gardening yet. But I also impeached inch springtime I like spring spring is I think spring's my favorite season. I don't understand people who say falls favorite. I get that. It's kind of nice when to see it. But. Just you can't beat spring. I don't think I agree. There's there's no more business better joy than let's bring gives you those first days of spring after cold winters. I agree. I think what people like about falls that. It's finally like the break before after a hot summer. Yeah. I think it's contemporary season. Right. You go in you. Leave changing you watch little football. Gold bundle bundler for the holidays. Yeah. But it's it's like, no, no things are dying. So how can that be good? It's true. It's true. All right. Speaking of dying. It'd be today. Now, if we get interview that is with two friends of mine, I guess you've met the person have you done Giacomo. And don't today are Danny Taylor and Giacomo Marquette eighty and I've known them for a long time. I think I met them at the Boston veg fest or in Boston forget if it was at the veterans or not, but through Robert cheek who we talk about the interview who's how how they met each other which I didn't realize. And they are both very accomplished bodybuilders. They've both won multiple first place awards. Danny does figure competition and Giacomo does. I guess it's just called body. I don't I don't know. I was talking about the different classes of bodybuilding recently. And then we talked about it again on the podcast, but there's like for women there's bikini competition figure competition, and I never knew that these were just categories of vitamin after they were like their own thing. But they're bodybuilding classes, basically. But anyway, Danny was bigger competitor. I think she's still is and has once a first places as Giacomo both certified in in e Cornell plant bass, nutrition course, as well as physical or what's it called? What's PT personal trainer certifications and both really just knowledgeable. I've spoken on them. Several years at on the vegan cruise with them on their athlete panel. And I give my answers that are always the typical kind of like, well, you know lifestyle. Do. What's what's easy, small stats all that kind of stuff? And they also have that habit. Change. Orientation that I do and thinking how important it is to focus on that stuff. Otherwise, all the knowledge and the world doesn't matter. But they also have a ton of knowledge about it. Like, they talk about people who are in the in the in the audience asking questions like about fasting for for bodybuilding purposes. Which by the way is going to be a future episode of ours on fasting. But it just. Dan, just had so much knowledge about that. And how it could or could not be useful for building. Like, this sort of knowledge of physiology that I just don't have and won't ever have without without having the kind of background and do so. I think they're really good. I really do think they a whole lot about tweaking nutrients and looking at macronutrients ratios and things which we talk about a lot in this interview. To get to get results, which is somewhat different from our approach. And we say that that's more just like do do the eighty percent and let the let the do the twenty percent to get the ten results rather than netting out so much on everything to really get good results. So I think I really appreciate the differences in our philosophy. Would we have so much in common as well? Yeah. Yeah. It's been it's been fun to kind of work with them on this episode. And then also some of the things we've been we've been doing with him. We'll talk about later. Yeah. Well, we we've made a new product with them. But, but the free thing is is this macronutrients that they put together with basically, it encapsulates everything to talk about here in the episode to give a bunch of formulas and things like that. If you go to the euro, Doug, you are the one who has the URL. So I will let you say it. But that's where you can go. Download the free teach Jimmy daily Giacomo put together for us. That's right. I am your go-to euro master, and it is no meat athlete dot com slash macro. Dash cheat dash sheet, so athlete. Macro. Dash cheat. Dash sheet macro cheat sheet. So yeah, go get that. Otherwise, enjoy the episode. I guess we have to we should not. So we want to thank our sponsor before we get to that. Right. Yeah. That's right. Let's let's do that real quickly. And then and then jump right into the right? All right. This episode of nomadic radio is brought to you by whoop. The performance tool. That is changing the way people track their fitness and optimize their training. 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To learn more about the band app and insights, visit whoop dot com. That's W H dot com. And when you're ready to get started use code no meat at checkout to say fifteen percent Rupe. Hey, it's Matt before we get to the interview just wanted to give you a quick heads up. We had some technical difficulties with this one and actually lost my entire audio track from this interview. So I've had to go back and do my best to replicate my questions, you remember what I said and re record those. So if it sounds a little bit choppy or even more awkward than I typically, do then I hope you'll be with me and still do the interview. Thanks, everyone in Doug here with Dan Taylor and Giacomo Mark hazy to longtime friends of mine who are vegan bodybuilders personal trainers and co founders of the plant built, which is that the vegan bodybuilding team that you see competing all over the world. Who I've known for quite a while. I think you guys back in Boston, maybe in two thousand eleven or so, but for all that time, I never had any sense that that did a you were a professional hula Hooper, your Skype Skype handle gave it away. Yeah. So when Jack Ma and I moved out to Portland, Oregon back in two thousand eight it was right after the big economy crash and jobs were pretty hard to come by. But I was hula hooping as a hobby. So it's like a circus performance. It's kind of like a cross between dance and acrobatics. But with the hula hoops, or if you think about like gymnastics floor routines with a hoop kind of like that. And I was just practicing in a park one day and somebody asked if I would like to perform at their kid's birthday party, and it turned out to be a pretty steady paying gig to work at different different celebrations and events just hula hooping for people, and then that led to fire eating and some other circus acts. But yeah, that feels like aren't life. Yeah. Wait. Okay. So you've actually eaten fire. I sure have. Yeah. Commended is great for the teeth. So like, what's what's the trick? Or is there the fire eaters code that would prevent you from feeling how it's done. It's pretty much. What it looks like there's no trick. You're literally just putting that fire out in your mouth. So at your own risk. I suppose. Awesome. Professional fire eater. And I knew people who hear it in Asheville. They do it all the time. I see it at festivals and things, but like I would figure it's like kind of an ironic thing. I don't I don't even know what it's what's going on. You're not going to the right? And I go into the right concerts. And then it's very much not ironic. It's definitely a form of expression. I think. Yeah. It is. And it is huge actually where you live by remember even back in two thousand eight like that was the place to be if you were a Hoover, really? Yeah. Wow. So I have learned something new about ashville. It did not expect that to happen today. But thanks for that. So I guess we should probably turn our attention away from hula hooping and towards something that people are here to hear about which is plant based bodybuilding building muscle. Shedding fat which since you guys have been involved in the sport for quite some time. Now, I'm very competent it as well. And also personal trainers. I mean, you guys know what ton about what it takes particularly through food, which think we're going to focus mostly on in this episode to change your body composition. So as a place just to jump off. I mean, how did you get into veganism? Well, initially for me, I did it for health based and performance reasons. And then getting into the community, I learned about the ethical side of the veganism, and it just made sense in brace it, and, you know, become an activist. It was just the natural course for me. So that's how I got started for me. It was purely ethical. I didn't care about health at all all of that sort of came as a side effect of going completely plant based. So did you just go completely pimps overnight? Or did you like ease into it? So I had already been vegetarian. So I hadn't eaten meat or or Fisher. Old symptoms. I saw a lobster get cooked and like as a young kid like eight years older. So and that made me not want to eat me. But I had never heard of veganism. I didn't know anything about it. You know, so I- consumed a lot of dairy a lot of eggs, and it was just when I was doing a research paper in highschool about vegetarianism, you know, the it was like two thousand three I think so the internet was not what it is now, and I just of stumbled across a website that explained the connectedness between the dairy in egging distri and the meat industry that I already did not wanna support, and I just decided to give up dairy is an animal byproducts overnight without knowing literally what I was doing at all. I just knew I didn't wanna support it. So where did you where did you grow up h-have Massachusetts like this tiny tiny town right on the New Hampshire? Border was the where your parents. You know? I mean was it wait we was your family supportive of of a big switch like that? No. When I decided to stop eating meat. Actually, I was about eight years old. And it was like this constant battle every night at the dinner table between me, and my parents were essentially it was like, no you're gonna sit there until your food's gone until Finally I was like well now I'm just staying up past my bedtime. So. As eventually they just kinda let me stop eating meat. But when I remember when I said, okay, guys, I'm not gonna eat dairy or eggs anymore. They were like my dad, actually cried. Because he was like you're gonna die. That didn't happen. But yeah, no, not super supportive, but at seventeen years old, you know, kids gonna eat what they're gonna eat at that point. So you were you, you know, you said you got into it for performance reasons were you doing bodybuilding stuff already or or what kind of exercise stuff redoing at that point? I was I started getting into strength training to be able to make it onto the tennis team in high school, and I kept up with collegiate sports. And then after that, I started wanting to do a bodybuilding competition through that I learned about nutrition, and that I also wanted to worry I also wanted to think about my health and health of my family and people my family were getting ill. And I said to myself, let me do some research and all the evidence was pointing to going dairy free and vegan, and and that's kind of led me there. And so through wanting to help someone who fell ill to heart disease. I decided lead, by example. And then I decided to myself that eating more, nutritionally, dense foods and going. Plant-based essentially vegan right would also help my performance in the gym. And of course, I was scared, and I didn't know if that was going to work, but I ditched the way protein for poaching. At the time was the only thing I could find I'd scoured the internet back in two thousand three so hard to come by. But I found a Joan by the name of Mike maller. And he had he was advertising people. I said to myself let me make the switch the amino acid profiles a same long story short. I kept eating what I needed to eat. You know in terms of food calorie-wise, protein wise all that jazz. And I just kept getting stronger and kept performing at higher level as a continue to train. Yeah. I mean, I feel like now we we hear a lot more about bodybuilders and people just who have these massive muscles and do it on a play based I, but you know, this was what ten years ago or something? I mean, I feel like back then it was probably pretty radical to to think that you were be were being able to do this plant based diet and still get a strong and Lee. As you wanted. Oh, it was totally weird. People thought I was a free. Give me nowadays. You know, there's tons of social validation out there. I think in large part that has to do with the world being a little too connected. But also I've seen a major movement especially in the past five years or so so it's nice that there's communities surrounding veganism. Okay. So it sounds like then for for Giacomo veganism came after bodybuilding, Danny you, you started bodybuilding after you would be actually I guess what you've always. I know what you've done is figure competitions from what I've seen is that like a class of bodybuilding. Yeah. So figure competitions bikini competitions. And then there's another category called physique, and they all in my opinion fall under the bodybuilding umbrella. So it's just different criteria. For like what the judges are looking for. But Giacomo had been bodybuilding long before he went vegan. And I when I went vegan. I guess I didn't mention this before when I actually went vegan. I was two hundred and ten pounds at seventeen year. Old and by going vegan. Like, I said, I did it just for ethics. I really didn't give a crap about my health at all. But I started dropping weight, and it was the first time in my life. I realized that what I was eating really was showing up on my body up until that point. I thought I just had badgen etiquettes. And after I started losing weight. I started deliberately learning about nutrition deliberately learning about strength training, not bodybuilding, but just how to lift weights in essentially, it was a trainer who told me that I would not be able to build any more muscle because I refused to eat eggs or have way protein that that's really what sparked my interest in sort of proving this person wrong. So it was almost out of spite initially. But yet my actual competitive bodybuilding career didn't start till many years later, but the passion for physique transformation through vegan diet 'em. Weightlifting started back in about two thousand seven two thousand eight so just a couple years after I went begin. Do you go back to the trainer insen them like Instagram photos and stuff of you all the time actually, really funny story. Now, we you know, we live in a small town. Now, she will sometimes send her plant based clients to me. She is like, well this girl proved me wrong. She knows what she's doing some in send these people that I don't know how to help over to Danny. And yeah, it's really come full circle. She definitely has a different opinion. Now, Danny I want to go back to you saying you had been overweight as a kid because we happen to speak on the panel discussion for vegan athletes at the holistic holidays, t- crews that we were all on just like two weeks ago. And there you said something that struck me which was that you said, your whole family was overweight, and that it was just sort of accepted that that's how you were. And you said this you'd never really thought about you didn't feel badly about it. You just thought this is the way things were which I think is really interesting 'cause I think there are quite a lot of people who feel that way and have kind of just been trained by their parents that that their family is overweight or that they're big boned or whatever. And they just have this kind of built in excuse that makes it okay? But when in fact, so much can be changed through your diet and lifestyle. Yeah. I mean, the vast. Jordy of my family is not just overweight, but like morbidly obese like very, very overweight. So even though I guess like growing up every year, I would get heavier, and I would get heavier, and I would get heavier like through childhood through my teen years. But I just thought that was like kind of what happened when you grew up like that it was just normal to put on fifteen pounds every single year from the time you're in elementary school all the way through high school because that's what was happening to everybody in my family. So I didn't grow up with this leg deep self loathing of my body shape or anything like that. Because I just thought that it was that. That's just how my family was. So I was actually I really was totally. Okay. It with it. This never started. As a I'm gonna set out to lose one hundred pounds journey. It was just when I dropped dairy and eggs. I'd say probably in three months without trying at all without eating particularly healthier nutritious food just from. Putting dairy in eggs. I ended up losing about thirty pounds three months and didn't even notice it until I just happened to step on a scale one day. I was like, wouldn't you? And that's when it started to occur to me. Like, oh, man. Maybe what we're eating really is. What is causing our whole family to be this way? And when I started a think about the trends in my family's eating behaviors, you know, over the last fifteen years or so it really adds up. Like, no, this is not genetic cicis fully lifestyle based yet you you're that saying that the genetics loads the gun in lifestyle pulled the trigger. I mean, that's thing more when it comes to disease. But, but of course, you know, very related to that is a we city. So it's not not ever say that genetics doesn't play a role. Of course, it does. But just that so much can be controlled by by our habits in the lifestyle that we choose to have. So let's go back to to you guys together. When when did you guys Meizhou it was it through a at a vegan? Event or some sort of bodybuilding competition or something. We met through vegan bodybuilding dot com. Actually, so Robert seek site. Cool man the world was just so different back. Then there was you know, Facebook which just becoming available to the public mice base existed. But it wasn't really like a way to make friends or anything, but both Giacomo, and I were vegan and interested in lifting weights and changing our physiques, and I actually met Robert cheek at the two thousand seven Boston veg fest. He was working at the Vega booth, and he gave a talk, and I went to the talk. And I said man, there are other people out there doing this. And I went to his website, which was mainly a forum. So it was I wanna say like three thousand people or so all over the world, all vegan all just kind of trying to learn how to build muscle and or burn fat on a vegan diet and Giacomo is one of the most friendly supportive person on the whole Orem. Well, funny story about that. I I didn't get. Get into vegan bodybuilding dot com to be friendly or supportive per se or to meet meet your partner with not not even that, actually, Robert. And I had connected on my space. And I was looking for someone else who did the vegan bodybuilding thing. I thought I was a complete anomaly, and then I see him on my space, and he puts me in his top. And I'm like, oh, cool. We're friends we're buddies. And then all of a sudden I disappeared from his top eight, and I'm like what? What happened and I'm like, all right? I've seen this guy's all about to kind of like one of those friendly competitive things. I was like let me get onto a site. And and then I just realized you know, I just did what I love to do which is be part of the community in. I found acceptance there in a way to connect with others and then day-night connected completely by chance. And at one point. She was like, hey you in this. The the vegan bodybuilding thing is we're going to be doing the meet up in Portland. Can I fly out there with you? And I said sure and on the way down the whole while her sister's like, you know, you really shouldn't be meeting strangers on the internet, and I'm like. Because back then things are so much different. Right. But we just had such a tight knit community knew each other. So well because of vegan bodybuilding calm and everything just it worked out from there. Yeah. It is. So funny to just think about think back about how fast how quickly things have changed. I mean, you guys are talking about not that long ago. Right. Ten twelve years ago. I mean, no me now, we just celebrated our tenth anniversary of the day published on that first blog post. And like Beck. Then the one of the reasons I started it was because I looked around. I was vegetarian or I was sorry. I was marathon runner, and I was wanting to become vegetarian, and I was looking for information about how to do it didn't want to mess up. My my Boston qualifying Michigan that I was on. And couldn't find anything really the things I found were just so not user friendly in strain. It was like, wow. I can't believe there's nothing here about this. And there's so much now that has come since then so and you guys talking about how you met on a bulletin board. Right. I mean, it just uninsured veganism more or plant based fitness is not the only niche where obviously we're major major change has happened. Like, this is probably everything in the world has changed in this way because the internet, but it's just so funny to think about that, you know, just just not that long ago. It was not that easy to connect with people. Yeah. Absolutely. And what you just said about like it being so different, you know, twelve years ago. That's how vegan proteins started. Was you people wanted? Plant based protein powders in it's hard for people now to believe but back then you couldn't find it almost anywhere. So we started vegan proteins when it was just a store to sell vegan supplements. Not because we're like huge supplement pushers or anything just because there was no other place for people to find it. And we started it as a fundraiser. We just saw Brown rice protein in Vega. And then when the fundraiser was over we were gonna shut it down. And people said, no, no, keep it open. It's the only place I can find this. And that's how our store started. Now fast forward now. We can't compete in that regard with places like Amazon or vitamin Shoppe because there's so many plant based protein powders protein bars whatever on the market that it's kind of like the world didn't need our little vegan proteins shop anymore. So we got to just shift gears do more of what we really love 'cause humming. How passionate can you be about selling protein powder? I don't know. But we really get to actually coach people now and help them turn their lives around. So, but it is just so crazy on such a short time the world has changed so much indefinitely within veganism as well weights. Let me get the you telling me that Amazon Dhruv, mom and pop operation out of business. I know crazy, right? So let's talk about the pivot there and the in what you guys primarily do now, which is to actually help people build muscle or transform their body, or whatever, you whatever you wanna call it or whatever that person needs. I guess I mean going back a little bit. I guess too. This idea that we're just naturally big bone or some people are naturally big boned. And you know, the diet doesn't necessarily affect your your weight or your body type that much. I mean, I remember growing up thinking that like if I wanted a six pack or if I wanted to put on muscles. It was all about like crunches, and, you know, working out, you know, had nothing to do really with with nutrition. And of course, now, I know that that's not really true. But you know, that's the six minute AB videos that were popular in the nineties nearly thousands where you know, we're pretty convincing that it would work it. But but for you guys diet is is very much a part of of someone's body transformation in how you work with your plan. I'm sure that I don't know if you would say that it's a fifty fifty split between the workouts in the nutrition or or what kind of split that would be. But why do you guys think that nutrition is so important why I'd say it's even more so than a fifty fifty split. I think nutrition is the majority of the the majority of the equation when it comes to performance, and when it comes to physique based goals, you're you know, you're dealing with wanting to change your body. Not just performing as an athlete, you know, on the track or in the gym, you actually wanna change your physique. And that's when it comes into really honing in on what you're eating in. How you're eating not just how nutritionally dense food is. So we really encourage our clients, and you know, those that are interested in changing their body to basically pay attention to how they're eating, you know, keep keep some sort of a food journal figure out how in what you're eating, and then you have a baseline to off of and then you can stay. Start to really make changes. Yeah. And that you know, I guess your philosophy is focuses mostly on macronutrients rent. So yes. And no, our basic basic philosophy really focuses on habits more than anything else because you can go through periods of time where you know, if you wanna make a really intense transformation, you're gonna have to pay very close attention to detail depending on the person, I've you're already pretty close to your goal in you just kind of need to get over the hump. You know, you really hit that plateau. That's giving you a hard time paying attention to details. Like, how many grams of this that or the other? Are you getting in is going to be really helpful? But for the vast majority of people you're going to be able to make great progress just paying attention to your daily habits. And I think that's why we get along with the no meat athletes philosophies, so well is although you guys are definitely on. The endurance side of things where more on the strength based sides of things. I think we're kind of coming from the same place in terms of like, the biggest pieces of the puzzle are habits and general behavior change yet. Absolutely. I mean that is that is exactly why I think we tend to get along pretty well when it comes to these these, you know, how to make health changes in and despite differences, perhaps on the service about you know, macronutrients versus micronutrients versus just saying I'm going to eat whole foods. And that's it. I think we have so much in common there. I really like what you said about the fact that for most people, the just, you know, you don't need to focus on super specific thing. You can get really good results by just doing the simple things by changing your habits and making good choices. It's like that eighty twenty principle the paredo principle that everybody seems to know these days that you get eighty percent of the results from twenty percent of the effort in a lot of different areas. And I believe this is one of them. But if you're someone like for most people that that's fine red, they'll they'll take the results for the twenty percent of the effort, and that is wonderful. But I do think like you said there are people who need more than that who want that hundred percent of the results, or, you know, more than eighty percent of the results or they're at a time in their life when they need that or they're dealing with some obstacles that require that. And that for me is the time when you need to put more effort in and be hyper specific about things. And I think that that includes things like really high level performance in sports or trying to lose a lot of weight. Would you agree that that is the time to focus on macronutrients, which by the way, if someone doesn't know what macronutrients what we mean when we say that we're talking about protein carbohydrate and fat as opposed to things like vitamins, and minerals and other nutrients that are in food. I think that it really does matter a lot in terms of physique transformation like you just met. I don't actually think macro nutrient balance matters a whole lot for general weight loss. But what a lot of people don't think about when they're on any kind of a weight loss journey is. They don't actually wanna lose just anyway because you don't wanna lose your muscle mass. There's lots and lots of benefits to having more muscle mass on your frame, not the least of which is that I believe after the age of forty. We lose one percent of our muscle mass every single year. So you kind of want to enter that forties with as much as possible in when we lose muscle mass. There's a lot of other negative effects that come from that. So we wanna lose weight, but we don't wanna lose muscle. So mainly what we want to lose is body fat. And I think most people generally know this intuitively that they want to lose body fat not muscle. But really they just get very motivated. By seeing a number on the scale, go down. And if we're not careful with our macro nutrient intake, weaken lose muscle mass really quickly, and we're still feel like we're succeeding because the number on the scale is going down. But not only is this kind of shooting us in the foot healthwise because we are losing muscle mass. But also were not really ever achieving that look that a lot of people are going for. I know that when I first lost all my weight. I wasn't eating appropriately or strength training quite enough. I mean, I lost ninety pounds. But I looked the same. I was the same shape. I was just smaller in that wasn't what I pictured in my head. When I initially had a goal weight of whatever my goal weight was and then I finally hit it. I was like hump that looked different in my head. And it's because in my head I had lost more body fat and had more muscle than I actually had. So manipulate. Macronutrients Matt way can really help to scope the physique in a way that you want. That's going to be more indicative of what you want them. Just a number on the scale yet that is super interesting in an clearly something that is not like top of mind when when people are focused on weight loss, you just don't hear that much about about also changing your your body composition. So when we talk about focusing on your macronutrients, are you talking about something that is universal or specific ratios for different people. Generally, I think that especially people who are looking to transform their physique in a way of losing body fat. I think a lot of times they try to go to low fat for their own good. So generally, increasing someone's healthy fats, healthy whole food fats and also paying more attention to having enough protein to support their strength training in those two pieces are important together. It almost set like sometimes we almost feel bad being like well eat a little bit more protein because that's such a vegan stereotype bright. Sitting. You're worried about protein. We're not worried about protein. No one's going to be protein deficient. Nothing bad is going to happen to somebody. If they don't pay attention to this. But if you have specific physique goals just just making sure that you're getting enough to support your strength training and maintain the muscle mass. You have is really going to. Help you transform your physique in a way that you like the way looks a little bit more. Also, your performance either in the gym or on the track if you're a runner cyclist, it's not going to suffer. So I think it really comes down to first and foremost dietary preferences, you know, you're going to have some vegans that lean more heavily on. You know, see there say ten in tofu was other vegans are gonna lean more heavily on their beans in greens. And then once you start to break down across the board. It doesn't matter whether you're a bodybuilder or plant based bodybuilder your protein requirements are basically the same. You know, I think that a lot of the, you know, bigger name like you said there's so many beacon bodybuilders out there now doing this. And I think all of them are eating more protein than the average person. Whether they're being super deliberate about it or not, I think really comes down to metabolise. Awesome. Because there are some you know, bigger guys out there. Their metabolism's are just on fire. They can eat five thousand calories a day. So if they're just eating beans and greens. They're getting tons of protein just because they can eat so much. Whereas smaller woman with a slower metabolism might have to pay a little bit more attention to making sure that they're eating more protein, dense foods to still sort of hit that amount for them. But pretty much every single vegan bodybuilder that I know of is eating more protein than the average person. Okay. But what about like an x y z number of the people can hear take home in apply like this much carbohydrate this much protein this much fat. I'll give you an x y z number. But it still requires some math because like you said like it is so different from person to person that it's hard to just give a blanket number n it's like the way just said about metabolism's being so. Different. That's also why I don't just like throw up percentage based MAC rose. But I'm going to give you a loose loose one. Here. We'll Obrock summit -ly point seven to one point two grams of protein per pound of lean body mass. So not per pound of body weight per pound of your lean body mass so point seven to one point two grams. Sorry and then for fats roughly anywhere from anywhere from twenty to thirty percent of your daily calories, and that really comes down to preference, but I wouldn't drop really below twenty percent of your calories from fat, especially for female. There could be some hormonal implications there, and then all the rest of your calories would come from carbohydrates. So whether that's our a lot or a little would that would very much depend on a person's metabolism. But still the majority of calories would be coming from carbohydrates for most people Yemeni who you say that because I think plan besides just seem to be associated with. Low fat high carb diets, and that's fine. And I think they lend themselves well to that. But you know, there are a lot of options out there. Not a lot of few of them who pruning diets with like ten percent fat and that distracts me as really really low, especially for brain health. But also, you know, just like for lifting weights trying to put on muscle. It just seems to me like you need more fat than that. Yeah, we agree. One hundred percent. We would we would never prescribe that for anybody. Well, I think I think now is probably a good time to say that. We've thrown those numbers. Are you guys have done those numbers into an awesome little free guide that people can can can download and you can get that at athlete dot com slash macro. Dash cheat bash sheet Makati cheat, right? You are dug that is a really really, great helpful. Teach. Eat to go get and go plug in your numbers, plugging your specific things about your body your lifestyle all that stuff. And it'll tell you how much you should be eating of each of these macronutrients so that you can do some sort of concerted effort right focusing hard on these things for a while. Not not for your whole life. Is we talked about earlier, but but kind of during any sort of push if you wanna go say twelve weeks, and you know, really go for it. This would be super helpful for that to go. Check that out. But I wanna know like Snoopy started talking about talking about specifics in focusing on things. Something about food tracking and monitoring, and you know, it just starts to become sounding like a whole lot of work. And a lot of like, I don't know. Just just introducing a lot of aspects to diet and eating that to me not all that Najer. Right. Having to pay attention to every calorie. We eat is this the type of thing that like is it necessarily have to be you have to do that for the for an entire period of public. Or is this something where like, you'll do you track me for a week or two, and then you kind of get used to it. And then you start to notice what most of your meals look like, and then it kind of becomes more intuitive. And you don't necessarily have to track every calorie after that. No, exactly. No one saying you have to live a certain way when you're learning skill over the course of twelve weeks, and there's no harm in honing in on that, you know, keeping a food journal for a week deciding whether or not you want to do this sort of like four to twelve week experiment on yourself. And then you'd be surprised what you can take away from it without. Having to be detailed oriented with your food tracking. Like, you don't necessarily need to think about calories or macro or even portions per se because you've focused on it for a couple of months or so or eighty four days or whatever it is. And then you can you be surprised like you can take a look at a plate. And just be like, all right. This is how I should build my plate without really thinking about measuring stuff or or calories. You know? But there's no harm in focusing on that for short period of time and sort of studying nutrition and running that running medic statement on you once you it's it's really interesting. I I do think there's a lot of value in doing this for a certain structured period of time. Because once you learn it, you can't really unlearn it, you just kind of then it's just a skill, you know, going forward, and it's something that you can employ whether you're conscious of it or not. Yeah. That'd be actually reminds me a lot of of heart monitor training from running where like for. This was back in the in the Boston qualifying days. I would I don't know went for three or four months where I were a heart monitor every single run. And you found it to be a lot of work. It's sort of took away some of the some of the enjoyable things about running to be actually looking all the time monitoring what my heart rate was at that exact moment. And so I didn't want it to be like what I did forever. But I found that doing it and focusing on it for a small period of time it really kind of put that that knowledge. It's items that after that I could sense when my body was changing heart rate zone because I had seen it happen. And kind of correlated that to how I was feeling during my runs, and so the point is eventually you focus on something for a while. And then eventually it gets to the point where it's it's sort of just second nature to you. And you don't have to keep doing it after that. Yeah. I mean, it is it is a pain at first, and it is meticulous at first. And you're like you're really have to weigh out my peanut butter right now. But listen, if you've never Wade out one tablespoon of peanut butter, you're in for an eye opening. Experience with that really looks like. And then once you know, you just you just know forever going forward. You can know if someone, you know, gives you a peanut butter jelly sandwich, or whatever, you know. Okay. This probably is closer to a quarter Cup butter in here than two tablespoons. And and it's just something to be aware of going forward. And that can be on both, you know, a weight loss journey, you know, to air on the smaller side. But also there's a lot of people out there who aren't eating enough, and this can help them to make sure they're getting enough food to support their training when it comes to puke, but I don't think I ever struggling that having enough. That's for. Sure. Most. All right. So so where does. Strength training come in. Because I know you said that the, you know, the Egyptian side is is more important of when it comes to physique training and physique transformations and that kinda thing, but but surely strength training does play a part play a role. So where where does that come in? Absolutely. So in terms of building muscle strength training. I think in if the goal is just to get bigger and build muscle. I actually think strength training is more important than paying attention to macronutrients. Honestly, I think the diet is just supportive of that. Whereas in a weight loss or fat loss journey the diet is more important. What you're eating is more important, and the strength training is supportive of that. But if somebody for example is trying to cut down muscle is very much. So like if you don't use it you lose it when you're in a caloric deficit. So if you're not telling near body daily or you know, frequently via. S strength training. Like, hey, we need these muscles. Because we perform this bench press twice a week. Then if you're in a caloric deficit of any kind your body is just going to burn whatever tissues it thinks it doesn't need. So dieting alone without strength training or resistance training of some kind. Means that you will likely burn through muscle tissue, which is one of the things that were definitely trying to avoid on that journey and likewise a muscle building. Phase. We're basically telling our body every time we lift, hey, we we're we're going to be pushing a lot more weight than our bodies can handle. Like adapt. Adapt adapt. So it's very similar to endurance training. It's just on the strength training side of things that we have to constantly be, you know, coaxing our body into adapting into what we wanted to do. So if someone is going through like what does that look like in practical terms, if someone is going through one of your programs, if you're working with a client, and they're focused on maybe losing fat in maintaining or gaining a little bit of muscle like how much time are they are they spending in the gym. You think? I think anywhere from thirty minutes three to five times a day, even as little as yes. Thirty minutes a day three to five times a week, depending on the person schedule. I think there's this. There's this idea that you know, once you wanna get on your fitness journey. You have to do as much as possible and schedule be damned and that becomes more just than it's worth in. What it wanted is it actually hurts someone's results. So we're all about making doing things in a practical sense because consistency is ultimately what's going to get you to your end goal. Not how hard you can push over the course of say three or four weeks and then burnt out and then start again, two months later, you know, and yet done in thirty minutes, if you're if you're focused while you're there, so essentially you want to be out lifting an amount of weight that you can safely lift that's obviously the most important thing is to be safe all the time, but by using compound movements that utilize lots of muscle groups at the same time like a squat a dead lift a bench press pull up things like that and lifting. I would. Say like one to two reps from failure is going to be enough stimulus to tell your body. Like, okay, we need to grow new tissues here yet. That's great because I've actually tried just like telling my body, we need to go under his ear, and it just it just never actually worked so close to failures are pretty good. When you guys say wanted to fail. You mean going up until you are you think in one or two more reps you would fail. Exactly. Yeah. Because especially when you're training alone. If you're training alone. You don't want to be going to failure that could be unsafe and also going to close to failure too often can just leave you more fatigued than you can actually recover from. So I think one to two reps from failure is a safe place to try and stay in that area. And also that gives you an idea of how much weight you should be lifting. So when we talk about putting on muscle in my experience that has always putting on a bunch of muscle has always come with adding some fat as well. And I know you guys coming from the bodybuilding background. I believe this is how it's done that you put on a bunch of muscle during this growth, period. And then a few weeks before the competition, you do a cutting phase you actually cut the fat at that point. Is that right? More or less. Yeah. That's pretty close. Actually. So it's like you go through a period where you put on as much muscle as you can. And unfortunately in the real world that generally comes with body fat as well. If we could gain only muscle that would be amazing. But there's usually a little bit of fat game that comes with that. And then during the prep phase, you're trying to lose as much fat as possible while maintaining as much muscle as possible. So then for a regular person, not a bodybuilder. I mean for me the of the fantasy is always put on the muscle while you lose the fat is that is that something that can actually be done by managing macronutrients. I think you can absolutely build muscle while losing body fat, especially I would say your first six months to three years in the game. That's pretty much certainty, and then as you get into the more advanced stages. That's when you're talking about needing to gain more fat to gain more muscle. But in a practical wheel real world. Sense. There's no reason to have to gain an X amount to fat to gain muscle. And you can very well do both at the same time, meaning lose body fight will gaining muscle. Yeah. And strength training. If you've if you're brand new to strength training. If you've never really done any resistance training before you could build a significant amount of muscle. An lose a significant amount of fat in the first year without really without having to get to obsessive over the food at all just paying closer attention to what you're eating and just strength training. You can have some pretty significant body composition changes without necessarily seeing the scale move a whole lot. But the way you look in perform will change a whole lot. Right. That makes sense. So the one thing we haven't touched him, and we kind of just implicitly assumed this whole time that vegan bodybuilding is is normal. Right. Like we talked about that earlier. But like it used to be a really strange thing. The idea that you could be a body builder or an athlete at all. I need a vegan diet what from your perspective is the truth about that. I mean is is eating a vegan diet a disadvantage for body to lose because you have to work harder to get clerk, dense foods, and maybe you'll never actually get the amount of calories that someone eating, and I'm never diet would or could it actually be an advantage like a lot of Egan's, especially in other sports. I can Dorrance sports would say that it is. And when I mean, there is like for me, I used to be eating Brown rice and chicken breasts when I was getting into running. And I thought that was exactly what I should be eating. And then once I started becoming vegetarian I started eating all these fresh fruits vegetables. I really think that had a big difference on my performance. So I've coached probably definitely over a hundred vegan athletes. To the bodybuilding stage. And what I have noticed is first of all bodybuilding competitively competitive bodybuilding. It's hard. It's really hard. Whether you're vegan or you're not no matter what everybody is grinding it out at the end. But what I've found with vegans versus the non vegan competitors that I know is one in a restrictive diet, which is what prep is at the end like when you're very close to a competition. There's no offense or buts about it. It's very restrictive, but the vegan people are able to eat such a wider variety of food than the non vegans like you mentioned, Matt like the chicken, the Brown rice may be a vegetable like, the vegan athletes seem to be eating tons of colors. Lots more volume so lots more fiber. So their digestion is more regular than I think because they're getting so many micronutrients their recovery is a lot better than their non vegan counterparts. So no matter what it's still really hard. But I don't think that being vegan makes it harder. I actually think it makes it a lot easier. Yeah. Well, that is definitely exciting to hear. I mean, that's been the story. I think kind of right when I began no method. I didn't wouldn't say I knew that. But I started to learn that from reading Brendan brazier stuff. You're just starting to see how my own performance changed. But I just think it's it's been something that has been an endurance thing. Right. Where the there's an advantage in those sports to being a little bit smaller not having excess weight of these even excess muscle mass. It's only recently the past maybe three to five years that I've really started to see the change that same mentality being talked about in strength and speed and quickness sports like body building you're talking about. But even also things like MMA fighting or some of these more mainstream professional sports like NFL NBA and things like that. Guys that has been a pleasure to have you on here. Really, really? Appreciate you sharing your insights with us not just in this podcast. But also in the free downloadable PDF that Doug mentioned, Doug. Can you give us that euro will more time, please? So you can get the you can get the the macaroni tree and TGI at Nomi athlete dot com slash macro. Dash cheat dash sheet, and and like we said there's all the calculations there along with some basic guidelines in a really nifty little tool for you to be able to quickly reference. How many Macara's or are in a lot of common foods? That's right. Thank you. Doug. And thanks once again Giacomo, and Danny I want to hear more from you. I was thinking go to vegan proteins dot com. But you guys even have a podcast, right? We do. It's called muscles by Brussels radio. Awesome. Well, it goes without saying that we would appreciate being guests on there. Sometime. Absolutely. All right. Thanks a lot guys talk to you soon. All right. Well, thank you guys so much for having us. We really appreciate it.

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Matt Fraser

The Dish With Trish

1:02:24 hr | 7 months ago

Matt Fraser

"The guys welcome back. This is the dish podcast thinking listening. We have very very special guests today. Stars of an eerie -ALITY TV show. I'm very excited about this. We have psychic Mat Fraser and his fiancee girlfriend. I want to be fiancee. Ring Ring. Okay we'll get into that Alexa Jody's PAPPA journalists and you're GonNa but Alexa is here from the show. Meet the razors. Which is very cute. Was that your name idea. Was that but it was really cute. Mesa meet the fuckers meter. Fraser's there was awfully meet the Osbournes so it's like reminiscent yeah original rallies island. They run that back which I thought was really killed. We're GONNA use that now that we did we have been here have been talking. I've already gotten a reading which has been very exciting. Okay Matt. How long have you been doing this for? How long have you been a psychic? So my entire life I'm actually psychic medium and it started with my grandmother who had this ability who pass it on to my mom and then turn pass it on to me. Oh my gosh. Yeah and it's crazy because when my grandmother was around she couldn't do this publicly when I say that my mom and my grandmother were mediums. They weren't they didn't have no hope of. They did readings and just born with the gift. They kept it a secret for years and years and years Only doing it for close friends and family members and it was so secret that not even my grandfather knew his own wife did it. Wow but when I was growing up you'll find this interesting. When I was three years old. My grandmother passed away and she was the first soul that I started. You know connecting with God. You're on family with grandma. The past when I was great and then I started connecting with her and the crazy part is is I never knew she was dead like everyone be talking about her and morning her passing and I never knew that she had died. The only time it became scary was when other souls started coming in trying to speak to me right so when I went to bed I felt like I was channeling. Every dead person does that creep. You wouldn't be able to do that like I don't know you don't feel are here. So when he's like does he an easy. Are you constantly reading for her like does it weirds me out to a certain degree because you came into the house today and you're like someone will get murdered and I was like no? What is that someone me like? I thought maybe about it freaked me out. That's what I'm saying like. Does it freaky on. How do you know people don't get freaked out by doing that? People sometimes do right right. It's speaking to the dead. Sometimes people have disconcert. Sometimes when speaking to the dead people have misconceptions. When I first met Alexa she was one of those people states. We actually. We actually went to a coffee shop and she says now fresh you tell the story here she says to me this is but this was the Alexi strategy says I have instagram. She comes to this. I don't know if you know who I was now. I didn't know we were talking about. How did you first? Trish knows you know why you know why you didn't know who I was instagram at home. And I'm from the East Coast thing. At least I thought maybe she knew. Because you're east coast. I zero so my blue checkmark America's top government while your girls. Do I dunno so you know what she's twenty eight really. Want BLIND DATE WITH SOMEBODY. Somebody message on fresh. Yeah Oh so you're saying you didn't even like look them up. I don't even know at least like I just got every relationship first of all I never want a Guy. I was like not even. I'm like no no no and I don't know what made me answer his. I don't know what made me like want to go with you. I don't know. Did you know that I'm like okay. So Hugh yes in Tall Nice new dress nice style so you know you worked it worked. I knew as soon as I walked in. Okay and then he's like you guys want a first date and like I'm a psychic or did you say like I see dead people around you. Basically she asked me what I do. I'm like I'm a medium. Should anyone around me and immediately. I saw her grandmother. She ran out of the restaurant. Well I have anxiety like we were talking about and literally. I was like having a panic attack as he was reading and doing his thing. And I I like seeing all black and so I got my boy. Oh my God I have to go outside. Really does ran out harvest. See I used to be I used to. Emt So Pastel revived her. If she died. Able to talk to God. And you've done everything. Wow that's cute actually. Kinda love that you guys are not engaged at the moment. No and unfortunately now. You're very but I've always wanted to be young wife. I've always wanted to be a mom really. I don't know like my thing. I love it. I never wanted to be a mama. Twenty one hundred thirty one. And I'm like my Gosh. You need to do a quick real and we've been together for three and a half years so east coast people. They definitely are. You GonNA propose maybe meet. The freezer wasn't here. I love my promise. It's Garrett Jazz. Looks like an engagement ring for how you are. That's like pretty. That's okay. It's my mum causing engagement for normal people normal each show so meet them. Razors you guys. We're talking about this for a free will don't know that you guys came out of nowhere but we came at world. Nowhere like this because you were you on. Tv show was so. I'm I've been a medium for ten years now so when you're going to know that before the show. I already had a two year waiting for private readings viral videos on Youtube of my of my psychic show so those shows through my mind already authored a book so I've been acid you. Tv shows for the past ten years. None of them were the right fit and then all of a sudden when they got a call. Mgm The MGM. And they're like we want to do a show just about you and your life and you know they were interested in just seeing what happened behind the scenes and I'm like this is perfect. So it's like about your life also psychic but also your family dynamic your family. Your family critiques. You don't rely about having family used that as for you as you can't fire them which I hire my family as well. My sisters my assistant mom so it is that same thing where you can get annoyed. But you can't because they're your your family and your you are misery. Went out for Mister Island Miss Riling Island Team USA seven so you do beauty pageants and I saw one where you're doing a photo shoot. And then they're like Matt. Do you guys like sharing the spotlight or do you guys get jealous of each other. I think we'd like it. I think at the end of the day. We do power couple. We love to do everything together. And there's no other person that I want to do it with and it's more fun to do it together and then do it alone. I I don't mind light up with each other because I didn't know like I didn't know that dynamic or things came together with like so much energy like really accurate and everything but so you've done it for ten years and do you. How does it work? You like sal like people are like I wanNA talk so you only dead people or do you see the future or about so. I always sensed feel things but I always just connect with the departed. So if it's a part of a message does come through and tell me so. The crazy part is like when I walk into a space. Also start sensing feeling thing so I sent feel energy so the crazy part is is when I first walked in. You know. Your grandmother was here. You didn't have a connection with the remember that even though you may not have known somebody personally once they pass on they still watch over you and you're very fortunate where you haven't lost many people within your light right. I haven't had a good news. Is that all these people your because your grandparents were here with you. They all watch over you from the other side and the moment that I didn't hear I started to hear all of these things and things that you had tell what's bring about like murder to me and nervous murder so when you were saying to me. Oh my God I fear every day I'm GONNA get murdered or an easy. It's just them letting you watch over you. It's okay. Don't worry about that and that you know have our loved ones watching over us in guiding us. Oh my gosh you ever see anything. Did I ever tell you anything bad? Yes not tell it to people know tell them you tell them what they save fixable say has about right so I'm GonNa Die Right Trish. Trash careful careful. Whatever are you getting any darkness like that? I'd like to know like on your car today. I would like to know that but you don't get any of that. No no there's something in your life that like is preventable. Fixable or something. Batman's a motor happened that they can help you with. That's always gonNA come through and tell us if we can change. I can say like tricia going to go in and get hit by a CAR SMART. Trish. Don't get off your owned. Watch when you cross the warnings for me right now for example like you told your mom that she had breast cancer before. She was diagnosed right because she was able to get it checked earlier she went. You might get this go. Look and she did. She have it. Well so here's Gosh. My grandmother passed up breast cancer. So my mom very active and always getting checked and there was a couple times. She went in for her like mammograms. And whatever and it came back abnormal whatever and then she went in and it was fine because you screw up with the machines or whatever it is so then you know a couple of times. It came back abnormal. But it was fine. It was just like a machine era so then my mom went in one day and she came back and she was like all my guy. Can you believe it? This is the third year in a row. I went in and they screwed up the machine. The woman had every which way it's coming back up normal. I don't even want to go back in when my mother said that I was like. Oh no I immediately like felt my grandmother. My grandmother was telling me that there was something like mom. This is different like I just feel like that. You need to go back like there's a problem that's there and whatnot and my mom listened to me. She was afraid she was scared. When she went back in and had another test and then had a biopsy infantile she had breast cancer but the good news is that just in the beginning stages could just in time. My Mom Jin have to have a double mastectomy or anything. She just had like a little bit. Bang Boom Dachau. That's amazing we're younger. Was this on my God. This was I want to say about. It was right before we mess over four years ago. Yeah Oh my God. Yeah but you can't see into the future you can't see if you guys are going to have kids or you can't see any of that right this. I don't understand sometimes and I always tell him because he's like no. I don't read minds no. I don't I future putting sometimes you need us so you know someday like our. What's one of the predictions that you've had? I feel like that's actually happened. Well let me explain it. How it is for the lady game gets going back you so the information or the way if you asked about the future rule things out of thin air so I don't just know things. The way that it works is that somebody has to have died to tell those things grandmother was telling me about. You know the things that you fear every day things that are holding you back because you're nervous about things. She was telling me about you getting a new dog because she's happening. I didn't predict that in the future that you're getting new drug. Your grandmother was telling me getting a new door the minute I walked in and she was telling me that she was talking about you. Just moving in this House that this is a brand new house so I started to hear these things the moment I got in and she was telling me about murder. And that's the reason why. Obviously you have a gate install crazy security yup donald trump style. Secret servicemen in the corner. Yeah the NFL gay. I have a guy 'cause like I try and get paranoid and no one. I'm trying to get me but I have a guy from APM ADM public figure. I mean I just don't care because like I am controversial. But so are you being not even scarier? 'cause like we were talking crazy. Christian people be like that's the double and even though you're not Christian some people just might WanNa kill you because they think you're like I don't know invincible or I don't know for sure we don't know whether to bless me. Burn me. They have no idea that scared now. I know polarizing like that. Yeah you know what I know. What I'm doing is good work. I love what I do. I see the people that I help every single day. And that's what makes it so worthwhile even here like you were a little bit nervous about the house and whatnot and to hear that your grandmother's here and she's wondering when you have your grandparents in this. House with you. So amazing is that you have them guiding you every day even though you didn't have a connection with them here in the physical world they're able to still watch it in your life that you're GonNa get the success that you're going to have here in the house things that you're doing day to day and it feels good just knowing that. Hey you're not alone. Yeah you know I feel on Your House. Somebody on the other side. That's watching over you. Twenty four right. That's like that's the Nice comforting thing. 'cause I just told you like I feel lonely. And I'm like the loneliest person. You'll know but I always feel like there's something whether it's like I didn't think my parents I didn't know them but I'm always like maybe people have told me I've had like ghost hunters my house before. And they're like there's a ghost in here so they told me to sage or whatever I don't know if they're bad or evil ghost or whatever but I know here's my question to get a lot of things moved around in my house. Are Those ghost or is that just someone like breaking into my house because honestly I know I had something within the underwear drawer. I found that that was that was her mother. She second ball by drew. When we we out nine the last episode she had to stay with me. No was it the last episode. Maybe it was when you weren't. They are like equally as dirty minded. So she's going to look at your toys and everything that you have in your nuts. We why she's not your mom not like sex toys R. US. She's a baby near. Maybe she wasn't cam maybe she's very much like into everyone's business and vaginas and this and that yet. I saying Yeah Yeah. She's opened people's business a-. She thinks that she has to be up. And everybody's busy right including your your sex life. Oh my God wow great. She's adorable right now. She liked to be on camera. She's like a personality. Moms right out there on the one person that on. Tv people like Oh my God. Who is this woman? Her mother her mother. My mother become like bit breakout stars. As amazing. He's amazing to watch them and see them. Watch the episodes and we're like Oh. Yeah how is it? How's the editing and stuff that's not us at all or does it accurately portray who you guys perfection? Yes you always hear people complaining like it's scripted. Or they make you say stuff during voiceover is. That's not their. You know they tell you like say certain things but you guys think you're completely accurate way. You're portrayed I think it's depends on the show right you have to be if you're going on TV. You have to be true to yourself and be willing to put yourself out there and you can rally a different person right and I think that's what it is so I think that some people do say that they're reality shows scripted. Maybe they're hiding things. Maybe they don't agree to certain things so they have to fill mother right with us. Our show was exactly what it is. We have a crazy family a little bit too crazy. Yeah the thing that people think like things are staging that like naked Catholic. That's normal to us. We do that like every couple of weeks to like a monthly. We really do everything in the show. You know the photo shoot with you. Taking the crowd like that stuff really wanted to go in there and you're like wait. What Beach Freshmen? In the house like did you feel like you're a part of the show. Did you feel like Oh my God like this is how they are on TV. It's interesting yes but having said that I'm always on like when you're doing maybe they care right away. I heard you before you even open the door. I heard you look like literally like show people like you're ready to go put on a show which is a great day but it does look like in the real world. You don't see people like you know what I mean. You know. It takes a certain type of person. He's your share. We all be out there. Put yourself put your personality out there whether you're crazy or whatever so before I was like when I was I was yelling. Because I'm like you know people are not here. This is so much security literally. So I'm like I'm like my Jurassic J. Studios yesterday this yesterday. Even bigger star and they got the boat. They got Jeffrey leave. That's nothing compared to a lot of people out here about house. Oh my gosh actually do a Gondola ride for the moment you as you said. He didn't know me. I know I agree. Star those names. So what do you do? What do you do with your insurance because Trish living people like you know what I mean like? I know the people at the cemetery if I went to the summertime. I would know whole everybody there really. I wonder that because there's a famous Cemetery here it's called forest lawn so if you go. Are you able to pick up on like celebrity spirits? Actually I'm kidding. Really Dixie. Joe Rivers. Joan came like all like like you. Like what Yeah like a New Jersey can see 'em to yes because one time I so connect with somebody who knew famous person in like what's close to them doing so I did a reading one time and they were connected to Joan rivers and she came through a really those when you saw her and she looked like herself yes. That's so interesting shell which you should actually look younger crime. Maybe how did he ever time plus side unhappy with your smile? Tired of feeling self conscious and photos. Why not make this year the year? You straighten your teeth with candid. Candid delivers clear. Liners directly to. You stringer teeth for thousands less than bracelets. I'm like braces candid. Clear LINERS ARE COMFORTABLE. Removable and totally invisible. So you can transform your swell without anyone noticing a thing plus you never have to set foot in a doctor's office waiting room. 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So I just didn't reading for different medley from real housewives of New York and when I was there her husband had come through when he was like naming his friends. That were there with them on the other side. Who WAS WITH JERRY? Was a speech writer of his. He was with a couple of different people who were like friends of his because he was telling me like names and whatnot in. It was so amazing Turco. She was like. Oh my God. That was a speechwriter. Oh my God that. Was this person that was this person and it was so amazing because at that moment she realized wow like heaven is really much like here right. So that's the thing I feel like if I was close to someone and they came out and cry. It'd be overwhelmed but like if you saw them I would be like in a way. I think I'd also be mad because I'd be like why can't I see them? You know like why. Why can you and not you know. Why can't you you know like it doesn't make sense? It doesn't seem fair. And what is what is the reason you were chosen to you. Know deal with it every day because my sister says she's a skeptic but really what happened is that my sister's just salty because she's got no ability once she's like she doesn't even see living people never mind so she's like my whole life. I was growing up. My mom was seeing and hearing the departed. We had these experiences together the show. That's just the way that it was right. The crazy part is is that it's sometimes it does run in the family. How mine sided with my grandmother. I'm not sure why they chose to talk to my family but I'm so glad now that they do because I don't know where I would be without the skiffs in for a while. I struggled with the Trish I was. Emt I worked for the World Trade Center in Boston. I wanted to be a paramedic and the physician's assistant. I never wanted to be a psychic medium. Wow and it wasn't until I went to be a media myself because I ran away from the skiff for years and years and then I went to a meeting for the first time and all of a sudden my life changed because I realized Oh my God why am I running from this when I can use this to help people really and so how did you like four way into that. Like how did you quit that and like okay this? Are you advertising on social media? How are you now? Are People finding that people found you by word of mouth? I know what's going to happen. I never expected this. I never expected this. You know it started with me. Waiting for close friends and family members like my grandmother did and then I would go to my friends at the time. My friends were in college so I'd go to their dorm rooms and read them and the next thing you know that was the dorm rooms of people who wanted to connect with Matt Frazier. Parents were like. Oh my God you know that kid who came can read the dorm like can they? He come and read me and I got a group of girls together and then it started where a woman was like. Hey can you come and read at the back of my hair salon? So I was doing readings for twenty dollars not being able to put money in gas tank but just because I loved it was a hobby of mine right and then next thing you know all of a sudden someone's like Oh my God I want you to come and do this little event. I want you to do the show. And the next thing you know producers for calling and then my publicists Called me and was like you know I have people who are interested in you and then it's been this crazy crazy roller coaster. Ever since then I had to. I had to leave my job as an emt to work to do this fulltime. One day. I got a call from MGM. And they're like we heard about you on the west coast. That's crazy because I know that I'm actually really well over there. I've done so many stuff at them and it's like it's so hard it's so I've I've I think I've pitched probably twenty shows and never works never goes off like different things so like to just get that straight. It's like really says something obviously wanted special you either. Obviously your family dynamic is special. Never WANNA be like. Did you want to be in the spotlight or was this purely just four more exposure for so you? Your dream was to always have reality show and back in the day. Your grandma actually told you we're going to have one eventually someday Came came through my grandmother who had passed through to me and said like you need to be doing this work like this is something that you were meant to do. And she actually told me that. I was going to help many people in that one day I was GonNa have a TV show was like your Dream TV show into into your audience and for me. I don't know I always had a very large personality when I was growing up. I Love Britney Spears I would like people like you know put on like the little earphones. Do whatever so I always wanted to do something in the spotlight. Yeah ever knew. What exactly. But my thing is fashioned. I love fashion. I guys put it together. He has put together Yay. I love fashion and you know obviously doing the show and Yeah. I mean it's just I I love pageantry and I just love being like look you've done pageants so obviously like being in front of people but I didn't know if this was something where you're like I really don't WanNa do this or you're like excited to even though you don't do the psychic thing you're like excited to. It was so exciting. Okay so and I was honored that made me a part of it and my family as well because really I mean you could have gone either way could have been just you and your ability your your family and you brought me into it. Which is fine you for that and my family and it's turned into something so memorable and so special us and something that we will always always guy of those memories. Do People like like. Does it get weird like you. People stop you never like get weird about anything like over Nali. I mean people stop us. They want to take pictures and say hi and whatnot. Just sort of the same thing happens to you. Yeah and I don't know we like it. We like it even criticism like do people criticize. I have seen a lot of criticism about your relationship or yeah questions about your sexuality or whatever you know same thing happens to me all the time so it's like does it ever like effect you like. Does that sort of thing like no because hey with that is that when you go on TV you know you. You put your whole life out there right. You know what you do with the podcast and I think that if you go on TV you have to be open to be able to talk about things right. Thank especially sexuality to us into him like that is not an insult. Likes you is an insult is with owned. People think that that's an insult. Yeah that's what I think is a problem is not that people say oh. Well met frazier his. It's about that you. They're using that as a weapon as yeah. That's a sad part because you know what to be honest with you. I don't I'm a psychic medium. Right I believe in love and I believe a person is. The person doesn't matter if your straight if you're by or whatever I don't care I would date a man. Maybe if I wasn't with Alexa I'd be with. The man is going to be a lesbian like Oakland angry. I thought that's what I just feel that. Stigma of today is that people are so into putting a label on you remember single. You're gay you can't you. Just be a person doesn't matter if you like girls if you guys whatever behind to everybody because love is love we are salts. That's exactly what I myself pants. Actually one hundred percent since but I just think when you hear something over and over when people harp on those same thing with me people will harp on every little thing and I just for me. It does get your relationship. I had a public relationship and I went to Shit because it was so much. Scrutiny site is always even reality. Tv couples. I feel like they always end up. Something happened to them as it's too much too much to say or. I don't know you never get insecure. Anything about any of those comments you know what show before the TV show. We really talked about this. We each other is how we feel about going into this. Because we knew that we're going to be under scrutiny. Right now you know going into it you know that it doesn't matter who you are people going to talk but at the same at the same time you know. Alexis used to it being in the world. I'm used to it being a psychic medium. They call you anything that they possibly can. You know who says that? You're fake says you're a fraud who says that you're fat. Who says that you know now? It's all Matt might be gay. It's so crazy because we're gonNA talk no matter what and you know as long as you have a strong bond and a relationship with other. That's what's that's what's so key intruding yourself. Obviously we both know we're in a relationship for three and a half years. We know that he's not gay. I mean like at this point in time so you know it's just being true to yourself and really knowing you and being comfortable in your own skin and who you are in our relationship and what we are you know how we're just so close and so loving even on camera and behind the scenes so yes and I asked my relationship. I did have he. That was the number. One comment was that he was gay. Everywhere he went he danced. He was dancing with a guy club. Instantly it was like all over snapchat like we told you. He's not you know we obviously knew everyone was just so convinced he was gay. And that's what is about because Oh he's gag us you know. They saw him dancing with the guy. And we stereotyping prominent is. Why can't you what your page? You would ask the guy that girls dance with each other. They come to the club and have fun. I don't get it is now running employees. Potty right. There was this guy who came up. Grind was grinding on me. I was laughing so he was. He was gay but I was not uses dancing. Whatever but having fun drinks and the hands on whatever I was thinking like I never thought to myself. Well somebody could take a photo of this and put it online or whatever. Alexa was right. There Alexa was already. We're having fun. But we live society where people want to go and label say things about people. And that's what's so hard it is. It's even harder because you know. Trish with the media and Whatnot. People put anything. It's a story all have to. I think think about as well as that like. We shouldn't take it personal because it's just those people trying to make a living on you know what I mean like. They're just trying to sell that story. They're trying to make that money for two we. Our relationship is so different. You know that people have such where like modern day sunny and she. Who's the share everything again? Going with the stereotypes. People would stereotype that because they were just different out there. Whatever they would wear weird things but like yeah like. I always get confused because I'm like okay. Well let's be someone like because you wear sparkly shoes. Like what would you should wear sneaker what he should wear black. Sweatpants like you mattered more sparkles and sequent than like. Elvis did that you know what I mean like I I you know what maybe you should get him back back guy but like I literally dumped him because I was like everyone is right. He was immediate. That's where my my wife. That's all the comments that we were getting so I was just and then I had another public relations so I just am curious how you guys do it because that was genuinely just a question for me because how do you like do it. Because it's like hey comments that's pretty much. The only thing that does not hate which is the one thing people tried to harp on were. I will be open honest honestly I and you know negative thinking absolutely gets the best of times and in the beginning I like saw Kabul comments about myself and about my relationship and I'm like shoot like Oh this is bad this is bad and for a while it took me a hump to get over right but finally I think we I think the most important thing in our relationship we have communication. Yes I communicated everything Tim let them know how I was feeling. He helped me get through it you know. He told me that we weren't alone with the family. You know these people are trying to store everything not show and that made me feel so much better and I completely like was able to get through that in over and you know it's with better. The thing is to see how people judge like for example before we even on the air before anybody gets to know us. Nobody knew we were right. We they ran a thirty second commercial. You know everybody was Hump Hopping on it saying. Oh you know mets game. That's game people or whatever not everybody but a lot of haters trolls on my facebook. Page the people who knew me Alexa but knew me from my live shows in my events from my fan base it was like. Oh my God. This is amazing. Oh my God. I didn't know you had a girlfriend. This is so great. This is so great to meet your family. This is so great to do this so i. I'm hoping that this world is changing and I'm hoping that more into this you know and it's sad that it's twenty twenty or not like what are you doing. We're going to tell you I feel really bad hearing that story about your ex and I'm gonNA tell you why because it's like you know those negative people like hurt you in your relationship at him he got. He was traumatized and his family. And stuff like that. Because I mean it's think it's hard too because like I think sexuality is openly you openly? Admit it like I could fall guy but I don't know if everyone's at that level so like someone being called gay could affect them because they're not comfortable yet thinking maybe I could bomb because that's when I was like maybe I I was like no. I'm not I'm not gay so I think it was just like a thing. Where if you're not comfortable. Obviously you're very comfortable with just saying whatever I think that was the issue but yeah being a psychic I read for Gay Couples Lesbian Couples. Any type of you know in my family. We don't judge here if you're an ailing extraterrestrial Jimmy polls. That's how we are waiting for that because not everyone's family really has hurt me here. So many people come to me who are gay or lesbian and say to me. Matt I am I gonNa make it to heaven. Am I going to make it to the other side and you know the truth is is that I have read for so many gay and lesbian couples. Who have had a significant other husband or a wife on the other side and they have it and that's so amazing to hear that you know God most assault. He accepts a soul. I can tell you without a psychic medium. So I'm hoping that this does change things and I love to see our world changing and people sitting behind people and supporting people. Yeah and you have that confirmation because I feel I still to this day like those crazy Christians will be going out and like that's scary. It is you know you know and believe like obviously loves us and we all like whatever but like it's scary some even with Romero Sasser. What do I do like adult work? Sometimes online? Like people are like you'll go to help you get scared sometimes like meet. What if I do? What if it's like really judgmental like you know right? We'll maybe we'll 'cause they say you're not sex before marriage is like Yom. We'RE GONNA go to hell soon. They also say that you're not supposed to eat lobster. Let me show whatever yes so. So what's what's the where's the Bible. Come from something. This is where I want to talk about. That's how negative comments because there are times when I seek like I wanna like right thing because you know there's a couple of times I just WanNa tell people like stick your fingers up your ass and smell you know NBC. Let me that like Matt comments and things like somebody's like Oh 'cause they're like kind of setting up for like the most famous family island and like people will obviously get snotty and like if they're the most famous how come. I haven't I'd like Oh you must be. Embarrassed is confident. He didn't get funny new housing things. Like oh I used to my tongue mouth and I'll go after someone like a basic them. Usa like ten times things. I'm like the meanest hung average cute and fun and clever I would be like I work because people I probably get the most. Hey I feel of anybody like on social media every single thing I do but I just don't you just expressing yourself and no. I don't think I'm very. I'm very the same where I'm very I'm to open. Mouth is a little too like all. It's okay it's okay to you. That's what people need to learn. It's okay to be I tell this to my clients all the time. Yeah because there have been kind of come to me and they they you know what if you listen to other people and you don't listen to yourself you're setting yourself up for failure because we're being guided in different directions that if we let other people guide. Us push if two different things they don't know your life they don't make decisions for you. You have to listen to your instincts right. There have been times when people have come to me and said Ma dating this guy. I don't know you know my girlfriend's I'll like you know Junko with him because he's a cheater this that and then they don't go forward with a relationship and you don't sometimes it doesn't come from a good place take some people say that out of jealousy and you have to trust yourself. You have to trust what you're feeling. That's what you have to go without support. Goals can feel impossible. No wonder only eight percent of Americans stick with New Year's resolutions. There's no one-size-fits-all to meet your goals. We all have habits kick in two twenty but you don't have to set unrealistic goals to make a positive change real lasting. Change is all about small sustainable shifts over time talks based online therapy. Mix Getting Accountability a licensed therapist easy and affordable match. With one of over five thousand licensed therapists start messaging therapists on day. 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How did that get picked up because the whole dating thing and people telling me like this guy's losing you're just like okay whatever but used specifically told me that from my grandma who told you that you need to tell you this right because she says to me that you're at a time now where you're looking at your life completely differently new grandmothers telling me that before you were dating dating dating dating and you would go after can. I say standoff Hawkeye. In the street you would go after him and that would be. What's your number? Let's go get drinks lab and your grandmother is telling me that the one thing is you're going to be starting to change your thoughts and you really don't want husband and that's what you're going to want to track. I want that now. So she says to me that you need to change your energy around and like if somebody isn't going to commit or if you feel like somebody isn't with you for the long term like that you need to let it go into start with somebody new. Oh so she's telling but the thing is is like I do and then I can't find someone else. My longest relationship is a year is like we're ends the year markets where. I break up with someone and like everyone I find. I don't know what it is going to say. I'm GonNa tell me start. Tell me I love my sister my sister. You are just like her because I told my sister this reading all the time. And you can have a psychic medium in the House. But it doesn't mean you're gonNA listen to him okay. You're afraid to be alone and to be by yourself so you jump from relationship tomorrow just to have somebody there but you know what here's some. Here's my advice to you from your grandmother is that she's telling me like that. You have to spend time by yourself. You have to learn to love spending time they sell going to the mall by yourself doing things by yourself and then you're gonna find that for perfect person. You're you're looking too hard right now. But that person's GonNa come in person you've met your person shots say now while my crap. Our relationship of Alexa was in a relationship. You know for for Halloween relationship for like a year and a half on and off toxic as hell. I was in a relationship for that for that same long for the same amount of time and then you know what it was like coming up on two years and I ended my with a wonderful person. A wonderful person but I just I just didn't love her the way that I should have saw and I didn't see a future I couldn't see a future and that's what you have to ask yourself when you meet somebody. Do you see your future with this person. So you see having a child with this person buying a house with this person. You like to wear the pants so you have to leave. Everybody waiting unprecedented though average pure energy. You just don't care anyways. Thank you about a man to just decided to bring it back to us so when I was so I enter this relationship at the same time. Alexa was ending her relationship. We did not know each other. We end a weird. She went off and she was like. I'm going to do me. She run the title of Miss Rhode Island Teen USA. At the time. I had gotten out of my relationship. I'm like you know what I'm going to focus everything into my career You know what I'm not looking for anybody. I was dating here in the air with different people. And I'm like I'm not looking for somebody I don't want to be in a relationship with anybody. Whatever I'm good I'm done like you just WanNa break right and then afterwards you know I was just one day scrolling on Instagram. And something just made me look on your picture and I was like who is this beautiful girl and I clicked on it and it was before this had happened. What's so crazy? Is that when I had this break up? That had happened. It made me think really about my life right in about. What do I want a relationship? What do I want one day in a partner? I'm telling you good at this the story. I would like to do this for everybody listening so I said you know what I'm like. What do I want in in a girl so I like went or in person so I went and I put this out and all of a sudden I started like droplets? If you know different magazines I want somebody with like Big Lips. I want I loved. I would say I was a judge in the American Massachusetts pageant. I'm like I was like you know what I want somebody. I loved the look how smart they weren't and tells you it's like I wanNA pageant girl a crowd like we're Li Ling. Talion like understood family. Who understood like important goals? I wanted I. I'm I'm really attracted to small tiny women and I put the Vision Broadway. I forgot about it and then a couple months later I was like going through instagram and I talked on the picture and there was Alexa. And you know I'm like Oh my God she's Miss Rhode Island whatever and then message and I'm like you know. Can I take you out for a cup of coffee and I'm sure she got hundreds of messages from guys off? Oh I am sure euros. I have no idea concept so continue so I I message and whenever coughing and then next thing you know several months later I was like. Oh my God you're the woman that dreamed up like your the woman on and I didn't connect the dots I forgot about. It was actually my mattress from the minimum. Isn't this vision. But I created him like while you are everything that I ever wanted to the universe. So you can do the same thing. Our loved ones can help us. Grandmother whoever can help us but we can't make rash decisions. We can't just date a guy because he's nice. We can't data girl because she's heading the fall package dry. Yeah right that you want package. I've been deeply in love and I get dumped. I've always been dumped. Never been the dumper sesame. She broke up with the accident. What are you talking about well technically I sabotage it. So he broke up with me. He Blackie so when I made the video my ex-boyfriends gay. I literally said that. In the video he broke up with me obviously because I sabotage and he blocked me and everything he's like. How do you do that? Broke up with him. At that moment you made on video. My ex-boyfriends gay friend is gay. That was the name of the video my boyfriend because everyone had told me so. I can make a video exposing this which was so stupid and I talked to a thousand percent. You probably tried to get ahead of it. Is your circulating at that point. I was humiliated as everyone was right. He was gay and to this day. We're friends he's stores he's straight and I think I don't know I don't and I don't care but it's like it's sad because didn't make that video and I- sabotage my relationships. I guess to get someone to break up with me. 'cause so then you go too much thing is is that you can't be exposing you to take a step back stop. Can't inside people. Would you just learn a little late in life coaches more than psychics? You guys like really inspired me now beyond that crazy but what spirit comes with different messages that we're going through somebody who have lost somebody tragically in your life so the thing is is that you're going through a different obstacles. Some people the obstacles of grief. You're going through the obstacle of life. Way on Roy. You're trying to navigate through and build a future for yourself and you're so good at building what you're doing right now podcasting and cry and networking and you know you know communications. But you're just missing that one part. Which is the loving relationship but it will come to. You got to treat you like you're and that's what it is not your playtime. You treated like your playtime me. I can't you like my business. Because then they leave to chew controlling your to this because I'm very like control demanding in my real life oath like about how you deal with that too controlling partners. I don't know I think it works. I don't know at the when you find your soulmate of your life. Everything is GonNa work no matter what really no matter what I find you to be the more dominating. One in general is that true. I well dominating different things that's true. Yes because the show. I'm gravitated to you of all your family and stuff like that and relay i. You are very powerful. Like Oh my God. This is like all over the place in a good way. You're like what is that called like when someone walks into a room like drawn to you know what I mean by. La No not cool one of the best ones that I've heard at first. I was like okay. Of course Matt. He's The star which is like you know what it is and then when I saw like. She's like over even more overpowering embrace. Maybe I'd let each other have the spotlight. Maybe that's it because I feel like we do we. Do we both know what we want. You know. But I'm not gonNA take over his psychic said because I'm not saying I'm not anything right and he's not I mean yes sometimes like you like the pageant staff and you try to like play pageant coach. But it's a good way like you always let me out. You do on the stages modeling with me like He. Lets me have my lifetime in my moment here and we help each other. You know every day we give each other advice even if we don't know each other spaces like he's never competed in pageant. But he's still gives me to project you. You have to respect each other professions but luckily we come together and you can see on the TV shows. She has her moments sometimes. I got in the way I should have but I was brought in. I was brought it. Okay yes there was a there was a video in episode episode three. I they did tell you to come in and they'll go come on because you know people like you know they're drawn to him too. Yeah but the woman that was there. The fashion lady was like Oh man the photo shoot with you. What the Hell's this is. Do say. No you're supposed to do I've known next. Can you be with me? And they're like maybe they are embarrassing. Me I don't know maybe he's proud of what that's not true. That's Dario every relationship. I try to tell our sisters of the same when it comes to guys and it's like you know they're like oh well. He doesn't do this and he doesn't do that. Then it's not worth like when you're with your person everything works every and I never complained about any of my boyfriend's everything they do is perfect. I never have any complaints spine with anything. I'm so and I just I just want a person but that's fine where it's not about. That pig is as I told you last week. We are super excited. That my show is now available to stream. Free on spotify. If you haven't tried listening there yet it's free to download and you spotify at any device. It's a great listening experience. And you can go straight from listening to your favorite and switch right on. Over to the PODCAST. Attrition. The same APP just search for our show the district. Trish on spotify to start listening free and remember. It's totally free. Even if you're not a premium member talk about reincarnation. Is it real? Do you believe in it. Are you going to believe in all things? But I've never had it so we'll come through. Say that they were reincarnated now. There are times there are times that I have done readings and nobody has come through. Which is so weird. So for example like let's say you're looking to hear from an uncle had passed away and then doesn't come through so it makes me think. Why is that going back coming through? Why am I not hearing this very rare? That a top. It's only happened like three times. Yeah is it because you know? They're dying never because they don't want to speak to me with three because it's a re reincarnated. I'll tell you one thing what I haven't one day there will be no reincarnation. I'm not doing this again rally. I'm not doing this again. This is the end of world happens. I am packing my bags. Frazier is out. Like I want to be a cat or something. Yeah Yeah we incarnation vibes from you. Ma I feel about you. I feel like reincarnated. That's all I'm saying. I feel like one hundred percent like as soon as you came into like. Okay we can talk about this whereas psychic powers confirmed that and not like comfortable like you feel energy. I feel like I'm a powerful like manifesto like anything I want. I get which except for a matter of fact love 'cause I I I'll tell you what each treatment had achieved beyond and various Pacific. I wanted jeep and I got a pink deep like I wanted to like everything I did. I like manifested. It was like really crazy and like I wanted to meet Gwen Tarantino. When I came to California like two days after I moved California Gwen Tarantino. You know what I mean. I think of a powerful manifest but except for the love again. I'm constantly like praying. Whatever you WANNA call it constantly like prams. Please let me have my husband's like that but But I believe in reincarnation and most people don't especially like in my religion. We're we're talking about Catholic. I'm Catholic and so they don't believe in that but I feel when I meet people that they were someone I already known and with Ma. I feel very like Elvis vibe. Is that crane work for you? Could help is working but right now. You don't feel know what people said to me all the time year old soul and I haven't done crazy things like that. I've never been interested in things that other people happened. Soviet simple when I was there I never went to parties. I never daily. They're totally the same. When it comes to that we don't drink smoke. Wow maybe he was our room. You are maybe were out. I felt like I was like. Oh I know this person and I maybe from watching. Your show has the finale aired yet. No no no so. We're about halfway through right now. Is this shoe receive ten? Oh wow other shot self. She has not been watching ten episodes. I guess that's not ten weeks. I guess the last episode. So finale will be March ninth okay. And what is your finale but it does say let me tell you. Alex tell you it is. I can't tell you much but it is huge. It is a very big grand finale and I think it's just going to be very surprising and amazing and different. I personally can't wait to see it on TV. But it's going to be very big. I'll say my prediction for. I think you're pregnant. Oh I hope I wish I would've yesterday. I am I right. You don't look immaculate. Little tiny girls though when they get pregnant they don't show for like seven mine. I always that's me. I feel I can. I tell you I did predict. My friend leans pregnancy. She had she had told me she came. I went to her house. She was like one month pregnant. It's like four weeks pregnant and she had just found out she was gonna tell me. What are you pregnant and check Omega Hadji? Now I know this I like you're pregnant. Oh my God. I don't know if that's the finale but I feel like it now wall to see to see I do right now. I'm telling you it's a cliche now but I feel like even if it's not the show finale its proper. English season two. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah boiling case Fitz coming yes. It's called one. Heaven calls no lessons from America's top psychic medium. Does that mean top psychic? Explain that how do you? How do you get defined at the top psychic because more most people come to you or you have your thinking shows? I and everyone video on Youtube right now for a psychic reading but is it is so actually this is pretty cool so there are many people who are skeptical about psychic mediums. And its second mediums. And you should be. You should be skeptical so I do before the show. I had a lot of times when I was invited on. Tv as guest. So I went to this morning show where there were two skeptical news anchors and they got a reading on live. Tv for the very first time. I didn't know I was sitting down with them. And they immediately became converted believers and I had no idea that their videos in the one woman. Yeah like the woman in the Guy. The woman can act crazy partner or something right. Oh Yeah I think it was. That was a father her mother and his house. It's a different way. I'm thinking there was a girl I actually. And then she started like crying. She's a she was like shook. China can say no this was. This was a studio ten life. It was Wbz TV in West Palm was. Yeah it was a regional. Tv show. And I went on it and it went completely insane online like so viral. We what happened. I missed it so as you are a dad. I think it was. Yeah I think it was her. It was her who came through. But what was really amazing was that I was there with this with Michael Clayton. Who was a retired football player so his friend had come through? That had died tragically and it was really his brother. And he was like a stone cold skeptic whatever and then I started to read him and you can see the reaction on live. Tv It was crazy in the video just went viral and he likes he's GonNa be. I came the top psychic reading video on you to how and yeah. So how'd you find out? How do you find that? Does it under Matt Fraser? You just look at this book. Whenever calls life lessons. Is this what you just been talking about? Now is just like overall life lessons like in love and like finding yourself or more talking about the afterlife so it started from the very beginning of certain Howard became a psychic medium. You know what it was like for me growing up as a child because my dad is a skeptic because he he was out of my life for twenty one years as he was in the navy so he wasn't the experience what I experienced as a child so it talks about the challenges of growing up psychic. You know how I how I grew up. Hearing and seeing the departed how my grandmother dealt with this gift. My mom go out with this gift to early days when I was an emt in high school. Because I did have different challenges. I overcame in my life like bullying when I was when I was younger. And dealing with you know mean and hateful people next thing you know leaving my calling us an emt and finding is a psychic medium says like your life story. Oh my God you're GonNa have to send tertia copy because soulmates Chow. I love when you've everything's I wish I would have had this like beforehand like this really because I love it and this is beautiful. Is this your first book? This my second book I met Alexa and it also talks about how the TV show came to be. Yeah it's really cute so it's really. I'm data and January. Risi this free order. It comes up on March tenth at Barnes and noble or Amazon Dot Com. Oh my Gosh I can do a book tour at Your New York Times bestseller I predict. Are you already one? You might already be one with the show and then doing the book tour. Oh my God. That's Amazing Audit Twenty eight. That's crazy. Have you met any other psychics. Have you ever liked teamed up with any other ones? We talked about what we think. No actually have the only powerful power the only because my mom's a second. I never have to go to a psychic. If I need something or need information visit the other side talk to do here for my own. Loved ones and departed loved one so we have an issue. I go to them. That's amazing I think that's so crazy. So what's next like? What is the next big thing? Or he goes totally aiming for something more bigger always aiming for bigger and always on the go. You know you can't stop right. I don't know we just WANNA be like America's top couple. I mean he wants to continue like selling out towards him is to help as many people as possible. I want to get into fashion. Start doing brands and things like that and we just want to like get out there. Say out there and just like inspire. People don't use but also competing in the pageant. This year I am. Yes all of that in the show. Yeah are you going to be a pageant for life? You're going to be a MRS one day and compete to. I absolutely want to be the MR support. He's like. Oh my God. I hope we have a daughter. I hope she's in heels and doing pal. I would do that for sure. That a little cars are. Are you competing for Miss Rhode Island? Is that so? I was a teen so there's always a Cotinine and Mary Writing Team USA. That's what I did and then the mosquitoes to Miss USA so it really WanNa go to. Oh my God I really. That's everything I feel like I like. I feel like Rhode Island's a relatively small state rights. I feel like that when you might have it in the bag right hope so I don't see people but like you're very beautiful so I'm yelling. Someone from Rhode Island when you go is that often say this but I learned so small like no one's from there. So you're right you're right you know. People don't know where Rhode Island is people sitting. There are like one woman. Yeah I know people here people here they keep it in so listen to me all the time. They say it'll be like where are you from? Especially it's California's happens. Like nine cents Rhode Island do like. Oh Long Island. Note island up the street. New York Rhode Island. People say they don't know where it is. They don't know what the state won't dime confused as well as today's jury seemed as part of the major. You know middle of what Connecticut in Boston. It's a state of Rhode Island Province. Why did we not learn? They skipped over Rhode Island probably find it Jersey or am I going right now and I'm getting text messages as they come in. Wait a minute 'cause I put on instagram story. Someone Goes Oh my God I love my sister. I swear is getting happy. I was shocked when they said do you want them on. Your is a sterling. Are they going to do it but I feel like I am? We were shot. You're getting. That's exciting that makes me happy method. That people don't feel bad. I feel dead inside so obsessed with dead so little on the methods Rhode Island is the smallest state. Okay this is why no one knows where the fuck this is satire known. Exactly we live there. We will leave important here. Don't tell them don't because they wanted swift has like a beach house down there. Oh I'm across the state within forty five minutes one end to the other We have amazing Italian food. We barely have any chain restaurants. It's all like family owned and like really good homemade things Great Seafood. If I didn't already say that a lot of water beautiful water beautiful beaches and everyone knows each other literally. Everybody knows each other. It's a small state like so everything's five minutes down the street like in Rhode Island if it's not five minutes and I'm not kidding with you if it's not if it's more than five people won't drive really. Her parents live fifteen minutes away from the house. And they're like Oh we can't go down. It's too shy. Saw No no trip is like a half hour. Hope God Tristan today prior to get here journey. We don't traffic in Rhode Island. There was no such thing as travel any way you want to be. You know what's Nice is that there's no crime there literally. You can leave snowing because you can leave your doors unlocked. My God I got no. Tv IRA started driving by our house and on TV because you know the corrections show on big houses. They show on the outside people. Ask Me and we didn't know any better. You're now you're gay or something I'd tell you people come visit us. They'll probably be better better than our own family. S probably they'll be like every day is like Columbus Day. People just walk in and think they lived in so you can just so your family is your Italian right so I guess that's how it goes like I don't know I'm not Italian but I guess they just walk on an or whatever like all the dead people to they all come in your house and everything but all right this is Meet the Fraser's on e. At what. Niamh Monday night's Monday night's Monday sunny e. that's a pretty good spies. Gosh start the week. Oh yes razors called one. Heaven Calls Life Lessons for America's psychic medium now available for pre order on Amazon Barnes and noble will be doing a book tour and Instagram. What's your instagram's Mat Fraser? A meet met for me Matt Fraser. I like spy pagodas. Oh my gosh really been Alexa PAP and nobody on earth website to yes meet MAP FRAZIER DOT com. 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Define Your Victory  | FRIDAY FIELD NOTES

Order of Man: Protect | Provide | Preside

15:45 min | 5 months ago

Define Your Victory | FRIDAY FIELD NOTES

"You're a man of action you live life to the fullest compress your fears and boldly charge your own path when life knocks you down. You get back up one more time. Every time you are not easily deterred rugged zillion strong. This is your life this we are. This is who you will become at the end of the day and after all is said and done you can call yourself a man gentlemen. What is going on today? My Name Is Ryan Nicholas and I am the host and the founder of this podcast and the movement that is order of Man WanNa welcoming here to your Friday field notes. I've got a good one lined up for you today. I think all the Friday feel good. Mostly because it's it's me and I tend to think highly of my my thoughts although I do recognize acknowledged. I'd get a lot of things wrong from time to time anyways if you're returning welcome glad you're back if you're new welcome. Glad you're here. This is a resource designed to give you the tools the conversations the equipment the information everything that you might need to thrive and succeed as a husband a father business owner leader in your community. A man in general. So we do that by having some great podcasts. Got some good ones lined up. Stephen Press field is coming on the PODCAST. Matt Frazier coming on the PODCAST mark. Manson the subtle art of not giving an f. and everything is is going to be released next week. So we've got and we've got dozens more so make sure you subscribed so you do not miss a single episode now. One thing I want to ask before I get into this Friday field notes is for you to go to the website go to order a man dot com. And what I need you to do is subscribe on the bottom on the footer of the website. Or the pop up or wherever. It comes up subscribed to get our emails and the reason I want you to do. This is because what I'm going to talk with you about today Which is victory and how to define? Victory is part of a series that. I'm putting together that will be available in two weeks. It's free no cost to you and the goal is to give you the information and a couple of resources that you need to be ready for battle ready for whatever life has to throw at you inside of your marriage and your career and your finances and your fitness and everything else that you're dealing with so again go to order. Dot Com subscribe to get those emails or follow us on Instagram or twitter at Ryan. Mcclure and I'll make sure I'd give you the update when this thing is available which is going to be about two weeks. So I'm pulling this information today from part of that course and what it is and what I wanted to talk with you about. Today is the idea of victory now. What is victory? We're going to talk about strategies and tactics and everything that you can do to achieve victory and we've been talking about that for five years but I want to back up because it's very easy to get into the strategies and tactics that we need to employ in order to be victorious. But I think we're a lot of men fall behind is they failed to find victory in the first place. I was in the military and in two thousand and five and two thousand six. I was in Ramadi Iraq and it was a it was a fulfilling time it was a meaningful time for me. I felt proud of my service and to be able to do what I think generally was was a good thing but there was some sticking points some points of frustration for me and part of that was an inability to define what victory looks like and. I think this is part of the reason that we're still in the Middle East is because we never defined what victory looks like and I realized there's there's some factors that make it challenging when we're talking about foreign wars and conflicts and all of this and our foreign policy but you can't define a victory. I got a question whether or not you should get in the fight to begin with. But it's interesting because a lot of us do the very same thing in other facets in avenues of our life if you think about it for example if I were to ask one hundred men today. What is it that you'd want out of life? I think all one hundred of them would likely say I don't want to make a little bit more money. Have a little more sex. Have some experiences have some money in the bank account? How the six pack abs on just be like happy and while all of that stuff is finding great. It isn't it isn't quantifiable enough. It isn't specific enough. It isn't articulated to the point where you can actually achieve it. Let's just take the money thing for example if you said well? I want to make more money this year than I made last year. Are you telling me that if you made a dollar more this year in two thousand twenty then you made in two thousand nineteen? You'd be satisfied. Of course you wouldn't if you look at it in the context of relationship. If you said I just want to have a good relationship I want to be connected with my wife. Have a better relationship. Are you telling me that if you and her yelled at each other one less time than you did last week that you would qualify that as a successful marriage of course you would and yet we do this all of the time? We fail to get precise. We failed to articulate. Clearly what victory looks like and then as we go about our daily activities in our duties and then we eventually look back at her life and wonder. Why didn't I accomplish all that? I wanted to accomplish what I would argue that. A big part of that is because you failed to identify with victory. Look like in the first place and that is the first mistake that we make when it comes to accomplishing big things in our lives. I mean I can't even tell you how often I talk with men who say they want good life and say they want money. WanNa start a business and want to do this and wanted to do that. And then when you probe just a little bit like what exactly does that mean all you hear crickets. They cannot articulate. Clearly what they want so what? I'm doing today guys challenging you right now to begin to get very very specific and use the four. The three I should they say the three factors that I'm going to share with you today to be able to get crystal clear on what you want. Which will set you up for other activities down the road that we'll talk about in in the course we're putting together and on this podcast as well all right. So let's get into the first factor that you need to consider as you are defining what victory looks like for you is that it needs to be precise and needs to be precise. If you say I WANNA make more money you should instead say I wanna make this much more money. I want to make ten thousand dollars in the next ninety days. I WanNa make fifty thousand dollars more this year than I did last year too. Many men don't qualify it. I think part of the reason a Lotta guys don't qualify and get specific and precise with they want is because they want to give themselves a little bit of wiggle room just in case. They fail to meet their standard or their expectation. Right if you say hey I just WanNa make more money and you make a dollar more like talked about earlier. I guess technically you can say you hit your goal or you hit your objective but are you really that much better off than you were a year before no of course you're not any better off but we do it to give ourselves that wiggle room to give ourselves space for a retreat just in case. We don't live up to the expectation that we have of herself so the first point in clearly defining and articulating what victory looks like is to be very precise with your language. I want to make ten thousand dollars more. If you're talking about happiness in a relationship what does that mean. Does that mean you WANNA have more sex? Does that mean you want to have more conversations? Does that mean you WanNa go on more dates? It's probably all three and that's good. That's good to know. But you've got articulated because what we focus on and what we give. Our attention is what we achieve. So if your precise and the world is going to give you that if you're loose with it and you're using cryptic language and you're trying to give yourself some wiggle room then there's a lot of play in the world is willing to give you based on your actions so as you're going through and listening to this podcast today if you're in a position where he can write something down. Then do that if not you can come back to this later and check it out but I want you to start writing down as clearly as you possibly can the things that you want out of your life using precise measurable objective data and information. That will actually. That is actually achievable. I should say that you can actually accomplish. Not just be happier. What the hell does that even mean? I don't know what that means and it's likely if you're using that kind of verbiage you don't know what it means either which is part of the problem all right number two. It needs to be possible. Have you told me that? Hey Ryan I'm two hundred pounds overweight and and I want to lose. I want to lose two hundred pounds in ninety days. That's wonderful I can appreciate the initiative and the ambition. But it's not possible. And if you're doing that and setting yourself up with a false expectation of the way this is going to go down. Then you're going to start feeling like a failure. You're not gonNA cheat your objective because it's not possible and you're gonNA start feeling like a failure and then you're going to feel guilty about feeling that way about yourself and not accomplishing to what you want and it's just as negative downward cycle that you've put yourself into so make sure that the thing is actually possible. Now here's the challenge. I can't tell you what the line is between possible and impossible. You have to define that for yourself but what I would tell you is. That line is found somewhere around being nervous. And maybe even scared and getting that heart pumping in that heart racing a little bit when you think about what you actually want to accomplish. There's been things in my life from my physical fitness goals completing SPA Gogi for example Running a marathon. There's things there that. Make me a little bit nervous. And that's a good thing that means that it's meaningful and significant it's challenging enough where it will compel and drive you to train to practice to get yourself ready for that objective you want to accomplish on the other side of that is it shouldn't be demoralizing like when you think about what it is you want accomplish you think man. I just can't do this. This is impossible so I'm not even GONNA try. Obviously that's a problem. So the line between impossibility impossibility is found between being worried and a little fearful about what you want to accomplish because it's big and it's bold and that's audacious and being demoralizing and not getting you on the track that you want to go so we've got number one it's got to be precise number two is got to be possible and number three. It's gotta be pertinent. It has to be pertinent. What does it need to be pertinent to your vision? Your vision for yourself and we're GONNA talk about this and the scores. I'm GonNa talk about it later but suffice it to say right now if you don't have a vision for yourself that you don't know the kind of person you want to be the kind of husband that's connected with his wife the kind of father. That's leading his children. The kind of a member of the community. Who's leading and WHO's looked up to and has influenced authority and credibility in the community. And with your neighbors. If you haven't thought about these things you really need to think about these things. Because when times get tough and there's uncertainty and doubt and confusion and frustration and a lot of chaos and unknown in the world. You're not going to drive forward unless you know exactly what you want why you want it. Why it's so compelling it's gotTa be emotionally charged something that excites you that fires you up it. Gets you motivated? That gets you passionate. That gets you out of bed. Keeps you driving on the face of adversity? These are the things that you need to think I because now when we're talking about specifically the objectives that you want to accomplish it has to be pertinent to that vision if you're doing objectives and you're setting things up that you want to accomplish based on what somebody else is doing or what you think you quote unquote should be doing by other people's standards. You're not going to remain engaged in the battle because it isn't important to you. It doesn't matter to you. It's got a matter it's to be relevant. It's gotta be pertinent to what you want to accomplish specifically and when you work backwards by trading that vision into something that's pertinent. You'll begin to see that when it gets challenging and demanding and tough and difficult that you won't cow that you won't run away from it retreat like potentially you have in the past but that you'll step into the adversity that you'll step up to the plate and you'll drive on in the face of what normally would keep you back. Derail you from accomplishing things that you want to accomplish guys. I firmly believe that. Because we don't have these factors in play when we think about what we want. This is why we fail. This is why we fall short. One of the reasons anyways. So as you're thinking about your life and the things that you've accomplished and in this context the things that you haven't I want you to consider have your objectives. Been in alignment with these three factors. If they haven't now's the perfect time to start shoring them up to start getting to a place where you can say yes and you can check off. These factors and you can create objectives. That are actually going to drive you. Forward that are going to produce results that you're after so let me tell you again what they are again. I want you to get no pat out or an APP on your computer or your phone or whatever and write these things down. If you're not in a position where he could do that right now. You can do that when you get back and come back and listen okay. But the three factors are number one. It's got to be precise. Get as specific as specific as you possibly. Can it be precise with your language? And your wording don't be cryptic. Don't give yourself wiggle room. Don't use words or jargon that doesn't really mean anything. Be Very very precise with what you're saying number to make sure that it's possible that it's found in the space between. I'm nervous and worried about this thing and I'm demoralized in thinking about even attempting to accomplish this thing. There's a space in there. And you've got to find out what that spaces and the third component is that it's got to be pertinent. GotTa be pertinent to your vision pertinent to you when you think about it. It's GONNA charge you. It's GONNA drive you. It's got to compel you because when things get challenging you WanNa make sure that that it's relevant that it will keep you engaged in the battle and it does need to be a battle that you stay engaged in all right. It's all I've got for you again. To resources number one go to order a man dot com sign up for the email newsletter. Because when this comes available in two weeks This course that we're putting together gets it's Free. It's all available to you. 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11 Evidence-Based Tactics To Increase Testosterone Naturally  BHP53

BOOST Health

20:29 min | 1 year ago

11 Evidence-Based Tactics To Increase Testosterone Naturally BHP53

"Welcome to the boost health podcast where we are searching for wellness balance. Your host is Paul sanfer. A certified strength and conditioning specialist with nearly twenty years of experience in the health and fitness in street and degrees in human biology and business at blue self. Our passion is to learn and share new wellness tactics and help individuals create their own personal health strategy. Join us on this journey of being open minded and try new thins. You can learn more at my boost health dot com. Welcome to the show. Your hours thousands. Your balance that is our goal here at tell welcome to episode number fifty three of the boost health podcast today. Show features a special focus on testosterone. And how to increase your levels naturally. Now, if you're female don't automatically think this show isn't for you, even though women don't have as much or nita's much testosterone his men. Do it is still a vital hormone for your overall health? The show's going to include some really cool and easy to implement tactics that you can apply right away. And they include how you exercise a vitamin to keep a really close eye on a super food that you can eat and a whole lot more first couple quick announcements and we'll jump right into the show. Extra boost guides. The very first extra boost guide is now available. These guys will be focused towards on various wellness topics that I see a need to provide a little bit of extra instruction on the first guide is for full body strength training, and it requires no equipment. It includes thirty seven pages of pictures, descriptions, videos, and audio cues of all the movements. These are the exact cues I use with my personal training clients to get them the best results possible, a dynamic warm-up, full body, workout and cooldown are all featured is great for workouts. While you're traveling at homework outs, or even just to give you a few new ideas to add to your gym workout. I'll linked to this in the show notes and blog so you can check it out Facebook group joined the boost health Facebook group, I created the screwed as a separate place to share wellness tactics. Inspire each other try new things and have some fun to join just click on the link for the Facebook group at the bottom of the homepage of my health. Dot com. Boosts hell TV the boost L podcast is now available via video format on the boost health TV YouTube channel all linked to the channel in the show notes on blog. So you can check it out and newsletter. If you haven't signed up for the weekly boost newsletter, you can do so by entering your Email into the form on the homepage of my boost health dot com. This way, you don't miss any boost health news and last the items issue, I went through an unfortunate issue recently with I tunes my show, title and byline were a little too long. And because of this the podcast was actually temporarily removed from the items directory, not changed the title and the byline quickly and re-submitted to items for approval, and obviously it was approved in the show is back on. But if you listen on itunes, you may have to resubscribe to the show, I also very sadly lost all of the reviews and ratings of the show. So if you could take a moment to rate and review the show to help new listeners know, the content is good quality. That would be really helpful. Thank you so much. All right now here is episode number. Fifty three eleven evidence based tactics to increase testosterone naturally. I've had the topic of testosterone on my list of podcast ideas for a long time. But when a friend of mine reached out recently to get some advice about having low testosterone, I cited this would be a good time to bring it up on the show and dig into the research, according to a two thousand six study in JAMA the symptoms of low testosterone include decreased muscle, mass decreased bone mineral density increased fat mass, especially in the abdomen, insulin resistance, decreased, libido, low energy irritability and dysphoric for my friend. It's been a complex cocktail of really intense endurance training, having low body mass and too little calorie intake that is likely brought about this unfortunate low level of testosterone. This dangerous combo is not uncommon in endurance athletes as we'll discuss. Later. But that said anyone who is exercising so intensely that they're overtraining could be at risk for a hormonal imbalance like this on top of the symptoms mentioned above my buddy, also mentioned that he had poor sleep poor, workout recovery and digestive issues. He's a young man. So obviously, this is a little bit scary for him to be going through his working with a doctor. It is testosterone levels back to normal. And he's agreed to join us on a future episode. So we can share his experience and the strategies that helped him out. In the meantime, I have put together eleven tactics to improve your testosterone levels naturally. Number one. Not just for the fellas free. Ladies that think testosterone is only important for men think again, a two thousand fifteen study in the Lancet diabetes endocrinology mentions that testosterone is an essential hormone for women. Not just men, and it is critical for many functions, including. Cardiovascular cognitive and musculoskeletal health at two thousand eleven study in sports medicine strength training and acute endurance training increase testosterone in men and women the authors mentioned that having enough testosterone is critical in men and women in the health of the reproductive system muscle growth and the prevention of bone loss. They also mentioned that chronic training or overtraining can cause a decrease intestinal stream a nineteen ninety eight study in the European journal of applied physiology and occupational physiology found that concentrations of total testosterone were increased in men and women with resistance training two to three times per week. The testosterone levels were noted to be significantly higher after six and eight weeks of training over the eight week study period number two full body strength training as mentioned previously strength training is a great way to increase testosterone. But the way. Workout itself or the program itself can actually make a big difference in how much testosterone is increased as I mentioned in my article full body strength training versus split group strength training. A two thousand sixteen studying biology sports showed that full body workouts will actually increase testosterone more than a split group workout this makes sense intuitively. If you think about it, what is going to ramp up your hormones more sitting on the bench doing bicep, curls or performing a squat with an overhead press, which one of those is going to give you a bigger hormone response. I think the answer is pretty clear also your biggest muscles in your body are in your legs and gluts think of the difference in hormone responsive. We train these three times per week as part of a full body workout versus only one time a week in a split group routine. Number three, no extremes or over specialized training this coming from the guy that recommends exercise every single day. Yes. But there's a. Big difference between getting an hour of activity on a daily basis in a carefully designed program that has both strength training and cardio training versus a program that is multiple hours a day of just one discipline crossville champion Matt Frazier once said during competition, none of those things are in my wheelhouse. But I train everyday not to have a wheelhouse. I love that. I love the fact that he's saying he's not going to over specialize in any one thing while I'm not a fan of all the elements of cross fit. I do like the general concept of not over specializing. There's been some research showing that overtraining can cause a reduction in testosterone. Which is why I bring this up a two thousand nine study in the journal of Inder chronology looked at how running five times per week would affect testosterone levels. The researchers split the runners into two groups where one did moderate intensity, which is sixty percent of their vio to max and the other group did high intensity which was eighty percent of their via to max. Both groups ran five times per week for sixty weeks. The sessions were on a treadmill and each session lasted for two hours while this might sound outlandish to some folks it is not unheard of to train ten hours per week for a lot of endurance athletes after only twelve weeks of sessions to stop thrown levels in both groups the moderate intensity and the high intensity began to fall. Not just to pick on endurance athletes. It seems that similar results might be found for somebody who's over specializing in strength training. A two thousand thirteen study in the international journal of sport. Physiology and performance found that a natural bodybuilder going through extremes of diet and exercise lost about seven nanograms per milliliter of testosterone, which is a time his testosterone level win from a healthy level of nine point two nanograms per milliliter to a very unhealthy low level of two point two nanograms per milliliter while he was preparing for competition. Now, why not just have a nice body composition? All the time. Said of these big extreme swings. The key in my opinion is a healthy balance to your training program. I like to recommend three days a full body strain training on nonconsecutive days like Monday, Wednesday and Friday and cardio training on Tuesday, Thursday Saturday and Sunday the goal would be to keep each session at about. Sixty minutes. So you're keeping overtraining at bay in any given discipline number forward. Don't cut carbs a nineteen eighty seven study in live sciences found that testosterone levels plummeted for participants on a high protein, low carbohydrate diet versus those on a high carbohydrate low protein diet now, I'm not suggesting don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that we all go on low protein based on this. But I am recommending that we keep things balanced. It is silly to cut out an entire macronutrients carbs, don't be afraid to eat high quality nutrient dense carbohydrates found in vegetables, fruits, grains, etc. Apparently lowering carbs too much can have dilatoriness effects on your testosterone levels. Number five. Eat black strap molasses now, I discussed the SuperFood in my article in show on nutrient analysis of a plant based diet, and I added it to my diet after learning that it provides a megadose of calcium and iron. But there is even more that this wonderful food can help with apparently a two thousand ten study in the African journal of food science found that black strap molasses increase testosterone levels. Now, I have one extra reason to make sure I take my two tablespoons of this daily isn't the tastiest treat in the world. But I have a few walnuts with it that helps balance out. It's very potent flavor. Now, this could be purely coincidental. But I have noticed a little bump up in my heart variability score each day since I've started taking black strap molasses, I talk about how and why take my hurry variability or HR V daily. To track. How recovered my body is from a nervous system standpoint. In my article on the topic all linked to it in the show notes. So you can check it out. I can't think of any other variables I've changed in this time. So the black strap molasses might just be a difference maker for me in recovery in improve levels of calcium iron, and apparently testosterone number six do high intensity interval training. A two thousand twelve study in hormones found that hit increase free testosterone Moore than steady state cardio. The participants were fifteen highly trained males in their late twenties. They performed a hit session with ninety seconds sprints paired with ninety second recovery jogs. This was over forty two to forty seven minute time intervals they also performed a forty five minute endurance, run at sixty percent of their veto to max for control. They just lied and a supine position at rest for forty five minutes. Blood samples were taken before each session directly after the session, and then twelve hours after the session. The study showed a significant increase in test Ostro for the twelve hour measurement on the hit workout versus no increase in test Ostro for the twelve hour measurement on the endurance workout or the control a two thousand eleven study in the journal of strength and conditioning research found that adding running sprints significantly increased total testosterone and via to max in competitive. Wrestlers the running sprints were performed as six sets of thirty five meters sprints with ten second restaurant bills. This was done two times per week for four weeks. A two thousand seventeen study in inter-krahn connections found that hit increased free testosterone levels. The participants were men over sixty years old. They used a cycling or Gama ter- and did six sets of thirty seconds sprints paired with three minutes of active recovery. This occurred in nine sessions over the course of six weeks it also increased their peak power production, which is a nice bonus. So now, there's really good reason for me to continue doing my little thirty to sixty seconds sprints when I'm out with my cycling, buddies. Number seven, get some vitamin d a two thousand eleven study in hormone and metabolic research found that supplementing with three thousand international units of d three significantly increased asto Strom, another wonderful way to give item Andy of courses through sunshine, the amount of time outside and time of day will vary depending on where you are in the world, of course. But a good general rule. Thumb is to get outside in the midday sun without sunscreen for about twenty minutes several times per week, a two thousand ten study in the journal of investigative dermatology. Found that participants in the United Kingdom got adequate levels of vitamin d from thirteen minutes of midday sun exposure to thirty five percent of skin surfaces. They were just wearing shorts and t shirts for me. My multivitamin has twenty five hundred international units of d three. And I also take a work break during the middle of the day on most days to get outside. And so can some race for about fifteen or twenty minutes, and I figured the combination of getting sunshine. Whenever it's possible. And having the multivitamin fill in any grey days seems to be a pretty good strategy number eight sauna for those of you that listened or watched episode fifty one which was the benefits of sauna you might recall, one of the benefits was increased growth hormone. And it appears that he mild increase of testosterone may also occur with Sony's. According to a nineteen eighty nine study in the European journal of applied physiology and occupational physiology increase on use can cause an increase in growth hormone anti-stalin and a decrease in cortisol and speaking of cortisol number nine control stress. Most folks are aware that when your stress levels increase your levels of a hormone called cortisol also increase high cortisol levels can lead to increase fat storage and a slowing metabolic rate, which are certainly not xylitol on top of that. When you're. Cortisol levels rise a decrease in Testa Strom typically occurs. A two thousand ten study in hormones and behavior show that there's this type of hormonal balancing act that occurs when cortisol levels rise in stressful situations testosterone levels tend to decrease considering this and the other long term health benefits to managing stress levels. It would be wise to keep stress under control as much as possible number ten sleep. Oh, how boring right? Just another thing that getting more sleep helps with will add getting more testosterone to your list of reasons. I promise you won't be mad at yourself in the morning, if you get more sleep now, I was always a six to seven hour per night person. And I usually felt okay with this. But then I saw a twenty seventeen article on the popular science website where the director of sleep and neuro imaging lab at the university of California Berkeley is names Matthew Walker. He says that we actually need a minimum of eight hours to mitigate reduction. Of our cognitive performance net is one thing to feel okay after six or seven hours. But if we're not performing at our best, then that's a bad sign now. I just go to bed at the same time as kids which is about eight thirty. And then I sleep until four thirty or five this way. I get my solid eight hours. The how much sleep though, do we need from testosterone perspective, the doesn't appear to be any research that I could find on a specific number of hours for optimal testosterone levels. But there are lots of studies showing that not getting enough sleep will definitely decrease your testosterone. For example, a two thousand eleven study in Jaama looked at what would happen. If sleep was restricted in young healthy men in their twenties. They were restricted to five hours per night for one whole week, and the testosterone levels of all the men dropped ten to fifteen percent. I remember these are young men in their twenties. So for testosterone levels, the drop that much as huge, obviously other factors will affect. Testosterone like sleep quality and the lifestyle side of your sleep cycle. But we know five hours is not enough of healthy young males loose testosterone with this amount of sleep. According to the same study about fifteen percent of working adults in the United States, get less than five hours. So you may wonder if six or seven hours is enough then well, as I mentioned, I haven't seen studies to show a minimum requirement, and this may be likely to the vast number variables. But we do know that eight hours is best for cognitive function. Based on the aforementioned study at Berkeley. So why not just shoot for eight hours of sleep? And you know, you're getting enough for your brain power and your testosterone number eleven monitor your heart rate variability those of you that have been following the show for a while are aware that I'm a big fan of tracking. Hurry, variability or HR V. It's a great way to know. How recovered you are on a daily basis, and it's really cool. A two thousand ten study in Turkish cardiology. Journal found that there's a positive correlation between your testosterone levels and your HR V score. This makes sense after we've learned that stress can actually decrease your testosterone HIV tells us a story of how recovered our body is from a nervous system standpoint. And based on his research, we can now also make a general assumption that our testosterone is higher when our HR V scores higher. This is really exciting to me because I've had a higher HIV score lately. As I mentioned earlier, and I think this is in part due to eating that black strap molasses for the iron and for the calcium. But then as we learned today also can help boost to SaaS Jerome, and I think this really brings things full circle. And it shows how connected our body systems. Actually are. Thank you very much for listening to the show today. A few things you can do that would help out boost health of you'd be so kind please subscribe rate and review the podcast and your podcast at leave a review on the boost health Facebook page subscribe to the boost hell TV YouTube channel and. Follow my boost health on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook, you can also visit the boost health website at my boost health dot com for links to everything along with more, motivation and information until next time. This is Paul Sanford, saying goodbye and find your balance.

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Addiction, Food, and the Plant-Based Diet with Susan Peirce Thompson of Brightline Eating

No Meat Athlete Radio

51:27 min | Last week

Addiction, Food, and the Plant-Based Diet with Susan Peirce Thompson of Brightline Eating

"This episode of Athlete Radio is brought to you by by optimize irs in their P. Three Oem a patented end probiotic designed to push out the bad guys go to buy optimizing dot com slash no meat that's bi optimize dot com slash no meat and use code no meat for ten percent off. Hi, this is help. Hi this is Katie from Washington DC and you're less no to. Radio. Welcome to another episode of Athlete Radio. I am temporarily here with Matt Tolman and then we're going to jump back into a yet another interview exciting times. How's IT GOING MATT? I've done. Really. Well, are you doug? Gearing, up. For For Baby. Yeah exciting I am have you shared with? Our listeners, the excitement and some of your chat with Matt recently. Yeah. So just I mean I think Avin hid that that a baby is coming though I don't know if they knew when there's really any day now so it could be. Just kind of waiting for that moment. There the most exciting and nerve wracking theives and sleepless nights. So thinking about you guys and excited to share this interview with our community we have the incredible Susan Pierce Thompson of bright line eating and I learned a lot from her Remarkable. I think I'm really smart and then get on. Interviews like how you know there's just this incredible. Nuance and some stats she throughout that just really fascinating. Awesome. Yeah. What was the main topic you guys covered? Well. Susan I have in common is what I would call an addictive personality of. So we talked a little bit about that she has just an incredible. Story, you know her her life's journey. From a fairly dark place, you know through addiction recovery to creating a way of eating a philosophy program you know in her books and obviously in her vibrant online community that's helping millions of people can tackle you know food addiction and and kind of find sustainable way to eat that obviously helps maintain a healthy weight. So like I said, just incredible story and then you know because of that sort of addiction component of Susan has a doctorate and a brain and cognitive sciences. So I was really really curious to. Pick her brain and learn what I could, and like I said, she threw out some some really interesting facts. The one that stuck with me as I guess, a third of people are prone to addiction a third of people. Are on the fence and the third of people like have absolute you know no, no issues with it. You know I think everyone can kind of relate to where they fall in that. You know she and I gotta laugh because she described herself as someone who You know she tried a cigarette at a concert. She's the type the concert go buy a pack of cigarettes. and. I can definitely relate to that you know. So anyway but yeah, learned a lot and like I said, this a fascinating history that she has personally that broader to doing this work that. It's clear that she is so passionate about doing today. I some well I, look forward to. Listening to this interview scrape. Should we just jump into it? Absolutely. All right. Okay we live with Dr Susan Pierce Thompson founder and CEO of Bright Line Eating Susan thank you so much for taking the time and being with us today. Thanks, Matt. It's great to be here. So I. Have to say I'm so excited about this interview because. Back. I think you're the smartest person I've talked to in weeks and love to. I figured this is public and all of a sudden I'm GonNa have to think through. To. Maybe I just put my foot in my mouth, but I'm so excited dig and because you know. When you talk to a Dietitian, you talk to a medical doctor. You know we're all kind of feeling our way around habits and beliefs and patterns of behavior right You're the real deal you have a PhD in brain and cognitive sciences and you've been thinking about eating right in particular around weight loss and thriving. So I, I can't wait to dig into all of that. But before I you know share your background myself maybe I can just ask you to give us a little bit of. Background on how we arrived today. How did you find this calling? Why were you interested in in these sciences? It's such a long. Gruesome story so I'll try to hit the just the highlights. You know I didn't start off with a fancy resume at all. When I was twenty years old, my resume was. Oh brace yourselves folks I was a crack addict as a prostitute I hadn't been in school for years as a high school dropout I tried tried three different high schools dropped out just couldn't do the high school thing and probably because I was. snorting crystal meth up my nose that probably hindered the whole experience little bit and you know some of the the drug use was around. I don't know what it was about but like. Some of it at least was I already had a really bad food problem. I didn't have a really bad weight problem. I had a small weight problem but I had a really bad food problem and. The first time I tried crystal method it solved my food problem. So that was one reason I kind of kept at it. So fast forward by just a bunch of grace and certainly the biggest miracle in my life. I. Got Clean and sober when I was twenty just a few days after my twentieth birthday and So I'm sitting here right now with you Matt M. Forty six so I haven't had a drink or a drug and forty. In twenty six years. Twenty. Six years and After I put those drugs down. I became fat very fast and I knew I would and I, started using food like I, use drugs. So what that did for me is it really accelerated the awareness that I was a food addict. 'cause I was I was using food. Just, like I used to smoke crack cocaine I, remember this one I was like a year sober. Not even maybe nine months and I was sitting there was I was in this one room apartment that I rented and San Jose California a bedroom. And you're younger than I am out so you might not remember do you remember the days of like a TV where you had to manually change the channels and? And, how there wasn't cable and so at like Two or three or four in the morning, the programming would end, and then there'd be these big vertical body on the screen and it would go ooh, I do remember those TV's. VHS and. Then tennis, you'd have to get just right to get a signal. So yeah. So I sit there in front of the TV and this is what was surrounding me like wrappers of candy bars, bowls of raw cookie dough. Like a pot of like cheesy pasta that I had mostly eaten and I was like binging and the going outside to smoke a cigarette coming back benching, going outside to smoke a cigarette all through the night and I was sitting there alone and I was using like I was looking at myself going Susan. Y- this is not so behavior you're using and so i. Mean while. was getting my life together and other ways because food addiction is a lot less debilitating to one sort of. Normal Life Than Drug addiction is so I was doing well at San Jose City College thank goodness for the community college system or I wouldn't have had a toehold back into getting an education. super grateful for that I transferred to UC Berkeley got straight as spoke at the graduation when I graduated there got a free ride into any graduate school I. Graduate School I applied to went to what I deemed was the best one and ended up with a PhD in brain and cognitive sciences and I was studying like I was really interested. How does a brain like mind goes so far off the rails like 'cause I knew I had capacity right? I'm sharp but but I I, am not always my best friend. Right? The record shows clearly. And I was really interested in that and so anyway, I ended up going to the University of new. South Wales in Sydney Australia and doing a two year post doc and it was a in psychology and it was right before I left for Australia that I finally found a new way of eating I was trying all that time to lose my weight I tried running a marathon i. know you're the no meat athlete right? So I tried running a marathon I tried joining gyms I tried. All kinds of diets like you name it really all of them I tried group therapy, individual therapy, hypnotherapy acupuncture. You know these getting a little thing in my ear that I had depressed stop cravings nothing worked I. I just could not lose my weight and I was obese by mid twenties. I didn't know it man I don't know if you have ever been overweight but nobody nobody like rings your doorbell and gives you a certificate. When you cross the threshold into obesity, it just happened it's a non event you know suddenly or A Little Fatter As boiling exactly exactly right and it's not like I wasn't trying. I was I was I was really trying I was trying with everything I had, but I couldn't get that weight off and as I progressed through my twenties I got more and more baffled by that because a accolades academically kept. Piling up and at that point I was. You know not trick on the streets. I was happily married actually for years and years and years and stable with lots of good friends and thriving in every other way I just couldn't get that weight off. So when I was twenty eight. I stopped eating sugar. I stopped eating flour and I started eating three meals a day and my weight just flew off and I got I went from a size sixteen to a size four at my heaviest. I. Was a size twenty four. But at the moment that I found that we have eating I was size sixteen shrunk down to a size four and I've been there now for seventeen years so. Obese, too slender for seventeen consecutive years really doesn't happen in the weight loss world like it's pretty unheard of I've done my best to crunch the numbers for from what's available and it's like I'm in the top one hundredth of one percent of successful weight loss maintainers some wrapping up the story here fast came back to the United States became a tenured psychology professor and started teaching college courses both in the neuroscience of food addiction and the psychology of eating and positive psychology, which I also we've into the work that I do right the. Science of flourishing and happiness unlike you're talking about behavior change because that is the crux of the problem everyone knows they should be eating blueberries and Broccoli and not pizza and chicken wings and people have a really heart people like me like really smart successful people have a hard time executing that over the long term, not all people but the data show most people, right? So those are the people that I dedicate my life to now. So that's basically how I got passionate about doing this just through pure selfishness and self interest essentially. I think. However. You got here. It's an amazing thing and what you've built and the number of people you've helped think should be commended. You brought up so much and I I had a list of questions that I wanted to get into but we're going to throw that out and. Asked to. Throw out that list of questions. Let's just talk. you know first of all I, share you know I think in in what is an addictive personality, right? And whether. To put you in a box but I am making some assumptions that I certainly now maybe I'm not box I'm so and. So, how do you know that you have an addictive personality like what are the signs for you that you're noticing and and? Claiming that I just know that. I mean literally, I can get addicted to any behavior and sometimes substances you know good and bad right and so obviously the work I have to do every day is to create those virtuous cycles them getting addicted and maintaining addictions that are in the positive life story right so whether it's you know I mean I just say the day I went for a run for the first time because I've been on the bike a lot I've been doing a lot of weights and yoga had running and I did my first long Ryan and I was like so into that, of course, I've run every single day since right? I I'm an extremist and and again you know, don't get me wrong. I. Also have to be very careful about alcohol and. That's like I say because I know that I look around the table and there are those people who can have a glass of wine and do it for the taste and I've never drinking a glass of wine for the taste in my life. Right. Yeah. It's like what of that like if I'm going to be healthy and you know I might as well be extremely healthy, and if I'm gonNA drink like you might as well get the job done wealth. So obviously I don't drink. You know that's I just I know that about myself that I have to just you know draw very clear lines maybe even a bright line in the sand and say, I just don't do that stuff because. I, enjoy it too much. So anyway, that's why I say I have an addictive personality which. But but the resembling it up is so often, I, think there's a great quote which I can't remember the exact words but essentially it's Brilliant and insanity or actually lot closer than you think. And, everyone in the other category that won't touch either of those. But it said this this particular category that it seems you know your your life. Your journey. To from where you started. A sumo cum laude graduate speaker at Berkeley author and founder of a thriving movement. You know is kind of a testament to that and just love to hear your thoughts on what is it about an addictive brain you know what is it about that? Sort of lying between insanity and brilliance like have. Yeah. Anything about that that you can share me because I'm just from a personal in fairly fascinated totally. Totally. Yes. So I I mean, I wish we had the quote at our fingertips to we're not gonNA pause and Google at, but it's something about genius and madness right like yes. Assets. It's yeah totally first cousins or. Whatever anyway. great question, Matt and yeah. Those folks who can just have a glass of wine if they feel like it and leave it alone it's there about a third of the population they're not susceptible to addiction even to heroin addiction even if they shoot up every day, even if like, let's say, let's say against their well, you just shoot them up every day for heroin in a few weeks they'll be physiologically addicted in the sense that they'll show withdrawal symptoms if you stop injecting them but they can't wait to get off it and they'll just naturally be. Line. Right. Back to a clean and sober state like they have no that their brains don't need another fix so they can smoke a cigarette at a concert and then have no part of their brain that's whispering to them to maybe buy a pack the next day right I smoke a cigarette at a concert I'm leaving the concert to buy pocket. I'm bumming cigarettes from everyone there, and then on the way home I'm stopping at a convenience store to buy a pack of cigarettes and that whole pack will probably be smoked that night. That's just how I roll so anyway. One third or not adaptable one third or moderately addictive and one third or extremely dictatorial. You can guess which category I'm in and it sounds like maybe you are too I don't know but Yeah have you taken my quiz? Susceptibility that the addiction food addiction susceptibility quiz. I think long ago Ocean I. Think. Maybe a clear. That he said. Gosh I need to do it again. Yeah. It'll give you a score from one to ten. It's like five of the simplest questions. So it takes about thirty seconds super-quick I. It doesn't take long to tell if you're susceptible to food addiction, but your question is is piercing. So let me just say what I know about this. Here's one of the most fascinating lines of research about addiction. Is that? There are many things that are different about the addictive bowl brain The adaptable person tends more toward impulsively right? So I don't know if you've heard of the famous marshmallow test at Stanford University. These right so so Yeah we're the ones. Me To, pops a marshmallow in the mouth. Right right away cannot wait a few minutes for a second marshmallow. So, ten toward impulsively in the food realm, their brains are more pulled by high reward value foods. So foods higher in processed carbohydrates higher in you know fats higher in salt higher in you know mommy or meet right And but. Apart. From the food realm. Here's the fascinating thing. Addictive will brains our brains that are more drawn now stay with me. This is this is nuanced. More drawn toward the cues that predict rewards in the environment. The cues that predict rewards pull us in. So think about the cues that predict rewards right. It could be the site of Golden Arches off the corner of your eyes and suddenly our car is veering that way it could be the queue could be time of day where Oh you just need Allante an a you know whatever at a particular of the day. Right? You're on your way to work let's say or everybody runs on people eat. or it could be an emotion could be the Q. Rate but then that q sucks you in and suddenly the reward is like. A foregone conclusion so if you think about. Our Past. Really. Adaptive. Brains helpful. Brains in a community would be the ones who would be sensitive to the cues that predicted certain outcomes Oh. Yeah. We know that's guy that's guy means it's about a rain. Oh. That noise right there. That's a rattlesnake in that Bush, rate and this track this pattern of like. In the that means that we need to turn south right now to catch the, you know if you just think about being aware or hyper sensitive or drowning by the cues that predict certain rewarding outcomes, you can see why like those brains are actually the helpful ones now in our Environment in our society where society is rigged to be just stupid available and like you know. Unhelpful. Things at every turn and it's just wiring up your brains to. The next dumb Fang right it can be a reliability, but if you think back in a very sparse harsh. chilling Environment Ya. That would be exactly the kind of brain WANNA have. So just saying we're just born you know few thousand years too late map. For. I had never heard the third a third, a third of people but but. Yeah fascinating. So tell me. When you're dealing with whether it's a client you can use yourself as an example. Obviously, you've transformed life what what's the number one recommendation you give someone like me? WHO DOES HAVE THAT ADDICTIVE BRAINER PROBES Is more prone to. That that susceptibility that. Control Movies and there would which number one recommendation for them if they're trying to take on a new habit and the change, your eating behavior whatever by be yes. Such a great question. I do have one key piece of advice actually or one key thought on that, which is if you know, you have a brain that's released acceptable to addiction embrace bright lines so. Bright lines are clear unambiguous boundaries that you just don't cross. It's actually a legal term. So in the law, a bright line rule is a ruler standard that gets applied consistently to produce reliable and predictable results. and. So I think in the food realm, what people often fail to realize is brain lines actually produce a lot of freedom I. Mean you know people on this listening to this podcast or probably Vegan or plant at least lean toward being plant-based right and So you might have a of it's actually not that hard. Once you just make the decision to not eat animal products to not do it, and then you might have a little bit of work to do to make sure that your later choices of restaurants and whatnot. Support that decision. But the actual not eating of the actual meat is not hard at all. It's all your brain is constantly hounding you to eat meat as a matter of fact, it's the opposite. It's sort of falls away from your consciousness and I think people often resonate with this release strongly around cigarettes right? If someone smoking two packs of cigarettes a day and they WANNA get healthy. Well, nobody's recommending that they embrace the nicotine moderation program right? People are saying, well, you got to quit smokin Jonny right? So Bright Lines for cigarettes are obvious right and sugar and flour are more addictive than cigarettes. So my sister. is in general if you have an adaptable brain, embrace bright lines at bright lines for your technology bright lines for that ex boyfriend or girlfriend that you really have no need to interact with anymore bright lines for all kinds of things just helpful. I could not agree more with that and without having the kind of. Poetic. Term Bright Lines I've naturally gravitated towards that. I mentioned with alcohol but With with veganism, my mom especially around the holidays is always pushing. Oh, just a little bit of a and the bread or what have you, and it's just it'd be exhausting to have to make that decision every single time so. That's probably a good opportunity and I don't mean to put on the spot I'm sure you've given this pitch a million times, but but for those who aren't familiar with bright line eating is that what they need to take away that it's it's kind of a maybe you can give just the thirty second for those who interested because I know you have a new boot camp coming up this month probably right around when this episode airs. And for those who are interested you know, can you share a little bit about what do they learn when they read your book right line eating or sign up for for your boot camp. Totally you know Brian Eating is. Actually to distill because it's a complete system that works together it really takes you through a process of changing. So much about the way you live your life to support a completely revolutionized approach to food So there's This amazing community where human connection is abounding especially in these cova days people are feeling really isolated and we have a thriving community where people are really plugged in supporting each other in ways that you just don't see other places which leads to You know a significant clinically significant lifts in depression way more energy way more feeling of. Meaning in life. But of course, our hallmark is we handle food and we help people lose weight like no other program on Earth, and this is scientifically published data showing, for example, in just eight week bright line eating bootcamp. People. Lose three to thirteen times more weight than any other published online weight loss program that's out there. So people lose weight really rapidly and the main thing is they keep it off. So two years later people have not gained on average not gained back a single pound that they lost in the campaign. As a matter of fact, they've continued to lose on average after the boot camp for an additional six months, and if they're if they joined the bright lifers program, which is ongoing, they continue to lose after that and they don't on average they do not regain a single pound of even that we lost. So we do that by helping people. Really embrace a pretty structured way of eating no sugar, no flour and the other two bright lines or for meals and quantities. So we're not into snacking. We do three meals a day typically three it could be a different number, but with nothing in between and that there's all kinds of research on how. Important. The long fasting window is from dinner around the clock to breakfast the next day or whatever to promote autophagy G, and all kinds of which is the the healing of your cells, right and the and the sell parts. So. Lots of health emerges and healthy circadian rhythm and so forth but we're also. Really exceptional at behavioral change. So we help people make eating the right things like what they really already want to be eating to be an alignment with their values. Easy automatic like as as much of a non-issue as brushing your teeth and we deliver sort of a system where we walk people through how to do that basically. Is Amazing and I can see you know the thing is say so much because obviously you know we we share in the mission to help people get healthy food and the thing that I keep coming back to you know it's amazing. Even you know your basic education through. K. Through twelve right. There is almost no actual learning about how to take care of yourself jumping about sleep exercise, stress, management, or food. Totally. Let's not even get into that's-that's like. A levels have. You know just the basic. Food is a core element of our existent to argue, believe out the thing you know aside from water right and. So to me to me, you know and I guess a testament to the forward thinking approach that you've taken to say that. There should be a system of you know like follow these rules if you follow these brain lines The outcome is actually known and the positive on at that so. That that's awesome. This up sort of athlete radio is brought to you by by optimize irs in their P. Three OEM probiotic. As you probably know, there's good bacteria and there's bad bacteria in your gut and one way of fighting against the bad bacteria is through probiotics but unfortunately, many of the low quality probiotics in passing right through you and don't actually improve your microbiome and Matt was. Doing an interview or a podcast with Matt Frazier last week he said that. Every time you ask him to trust his gut you say, trust your your gut microbiome the true do it is. Very nerdy thing that I've become accustomed to oftentimes. You know. Anyway Yeah. Your micro bio they've actually figured out the connection it uses a can't remember heather electromagnetic waves or some some sort of Gosh. I can't remember like metabolic pathway whatever it is to communicate. Essentially, you're bacteria sending signals, you know to your brain and there are more nerve endings in your gut and your Gi tract than there are like in your spinal cord brain like it's just it's a fascinating thing but I do tell tell Matt to listen to his gut microbiome IDA. Well, all the more reason to keep your gut microbiome happy and healthy. And that's why I'm a fan of a provider called P. Three Om. It uses just one proven probiotic strain that so effective it has been patented and what it does really well is it fights off the bad guys, things like parasites, viruses, and other pathogens got, and here's the deal the guys who make it are so confident that you're going to like it, they'll give you all your money back. If you don't go to optimize dot com slash no meat that's. OPTIMIZE DOT com slash no meat and use code no meat to get ten percent off and if you've never used a high end probiotic that can push out the bad guys or if you're having problems with your gut and your immune system, give this a try go to buy optimize com, slash no meat and use the code no meat for ten percent off. You brought up fasting listeners of the podcast without. I've really big into fantastic. So when you structure your your meals. It's at this point. I think. Part of popular culture you know intermittent fasting or time restricted feeding whatever you might call it is that a part of how how you live and how the bright line community sort of aspires to that you know you're compacting those three meals into a certain window of time say twelve hours on twelve hours off. So you get those benefits as you mentioned with the tough GE or. How you approach fasting, especially, given all the brain science research you've done in your career with other know your thoughts on it. Yeah totally. So for the longest time I didn't really have any experience with it directly. fasted. When I was a crystal meth addict, I wouldn't eat for days and days. But what I actually Joined the land of the living I just eight, and then when I started eating this way when I was twenty eight back in two, thousand, three I just three meals a day for the longest time. But when you're only eating breakfast lunch and dinner and you're eating at regular mealtimes, you're generally getting a twelve thirteen hour fasting window, right like I I tend to be an early eater so I'll eat dinner. I mean really sometimes as early as three or four, but more typically six or seven. No five or six PM but then I won't eat breakfast till eight or eight thirty. So I'm getting a good thirteen hours of fasting for sure without. Any calories going into my system. So That's enough to kick in autophagy. I drink a big loss of water right upon awakening. But after I started reading some of the research on intermittent fasting and water fasting, which is just tremendous. Benefits are indisputable. I started experimenting with it and what I found was that two meals a day are incredibly automatic even one meal a day very automated, and that's the hallmark of success. If what you're doing is automatically and I might have coins that word I don't think you'll see it in the dictionary, but I use that word all the time it's the crux of it is what you're doing. That's really all you need and one into meals a day are. So I, also did a three day water fast few years ago and a ten day water fast just nothing but pure distilled water for ten days. and It was a lot easier than I thought it would be frankly and yeah lots of benefits so. I do support people in whatever sort of rhythm or style of fasting they prefer. I will say that for someone who's A really really wicked food addicts sometimes, the repeating can be hard there can be veracious hungry food monster that kicks in on the second or third day of repeating not typically the first day when you're just trying to kick start your digestive system again. But that so that takes some you know awareness but yeah, fasting is is healthy. So it's not explicitly built into the bright lending plan, but we have a bright fasters facebook group and There are definitely people who are super interesting who do bright line eating it's just a really close first cousin of what we're doing anyway. Amazing Yeah and I. Totally Agree I always say that. It's amazing how adaptable the body is right. You'd think I grew up in a household that assumed that you get headaches and will just be so depleted that you might not function if you don't eat within four to six hours A. Routinely and. But once you sort of set your body on a on a new routine it's amazing. How can adapt in? Eighteen League, go you know many many hours and just almost forget about eating you know your by and I think that goes back to the food addiction said. So often you know we are mistaking. Cravings Thursday, whatever you know habit for for hunger and it's actually. Body needs a lot less than than. You think it does. Getting, getting the habits actually I guess. Maybe, lightning round or some fun questions because I want to be respectful of your time. What, what is your morning routine look like I've heard that I've just a connoisseur of of my routine do you just mentioned coming out of a fast food drink a glass of water but what's your best habit in the morning if if you have one? Why don't? I let me just tell you my routine because it's it all works together. There's no best habit. So I wake up at five ten am. I hit my knees actually bury my nose in the carpet and I just check in with the source of knowing and you know check in for service. And go to the bathroom. Come back out our Rita twenty four hour a day spiritual meditation book while I'm sitting on the toilet, get that in and then take thyroid medicine drink a huge big loss of water. And then I meditating by five thirty. So I'm on my meditation bench which I love. It's like the the tool that other than my digital food scale, I could not live without meditation bench. And I meditate for thirty minutes without fail SETT- lovely timer for that. So six am my timer's off. I'm done meditating on my phone rings. And that is someone that I support with their food addiction. So I still sponsor people actually It's I just come from twelve step background and I've learned that US. For a lightning Rod I'm not giving you the fast version of this. Am I well, anyway, it was my talk. Here for you so. I love this stuff. Yeah. So six am I'm talking on the phone with someone. So I'm an extreme extrovert and I you know. When we when you look at like what inspires or what creates flow for me it's mentorship talking one on one with someone that I'm mentoring through life is good as it gets. So I do that for singing the morning six am someone calls I'm mentoring her I'm hearing her food commitment I'm supporting a her on her day six fifteen someone else calls six thirty. I'm done with those calls and my personal trainers at my house. So I'm working out from six thirty to seven, thirty with. A mobility trainer Tuesday Thursday Saturday and a strength powerlifting trainer Monday Wednesday Friday. I get swing dancing and yoga in later in the day not part of the. Routine though. Seven, thirty I'm making breakfast. So I'm getting my digital food scale out and I'm using my Oh matt you should know complement protein powder in my oats. This is a new addition to the morning routine I. It's blowing my mind how effective it is. Actually it's Kinda CR- I never used to do powders because I'm kind of a no powder girl I've had enough powder in my life and I just don't do them anymore but you're your protein powders from really amazing gotta say Pity Breakfast It is, and I love the packaging and just the the integrity of. Just. You can just pick up the package and just read the labels interscope. Okay. Someone put a lot of really effective. Just. Wise thought into went into this So we share your anti powder philosophies. So Matt Frazier die you know thought through the idea that we would be adding to the protein deficiency scaremongering we we just hated the thought Sadr selves. If we can do it ten times better than what's out there today than we'll move forward with this and it took us literally more than a year to do that packaging by the way you can bury in your backyard. Turn to buy mass twelve months so. Anyway. Anyway Sir Surrogate Genetic Risk Easter. Yet six, seven, thirty, I'm making OATMEAL chilling with you know checking in with my husband, my three little kids I got three little daughters getting them off on the bus and stuff, and then eight ten I'm usually if the weather permits sitting outside eating my breakfast getting some light into my eyeballs and and then my phone rings again I talked to One more person getting them on their food journey from eight ten to roughly eight thirty, and then I start my day usually with a nice long hot shower. It's my guilty pleasure but I live near the Great Lakes. Most of you know big chunk of the world's freshwater's right near me. So I take advantage of like a stupid long shower like really long hot shower too loud music sort my head out and then, and then I'm at my desk doing my most important focus work from. Say Ten am to. Noon and then I talked to people like you in the afternoon. Amazing That sounds like. I'm feeling energized just hearing about your your morning routine and. The mentorships of that that's really inspiring to think about that because I usually do those calls for myself in the evening because I think about my first hours a week are always might clear clear head. So I'm just straight to work, which is probably not ideal and you'd probably say are more fit for service because you're that grounding connection with people and the morning. That's just awesome. By the way how long have you been meditating transcendental if I can pry? A Meditation Simpleton so I've been sitting. On, a seat for thirty minutes a day for seventeen and a half years. I don't sweat it. I got say that's kind of the secret of it to me is I sit there. But in seat thirty minutes timer goes off it's a win and and I couldn't wouldn't didn't meditate before that. When I felt like it had to be some something fancy right like I didn't have the right pasta and have the right mantra in my mind is jumping around too much. But when I changed the goal to just but in see it's a win right. Suddenly I love meditating like I just sit there I sink into myself and I gotta say it's enabled some of the deepest inner work because I'm so comfortable inside my own skin I can go deep and do deep. You know I don't know if you've discovered I F s yet parts work. I can do some really deep self therapy by just going inside myself because I meditate. But I don't actually do any kind of system I love Monique Roads I follow her she's ten minute mind but I don't listen to her recording every day you I've I just she and I are friends and she if I were to recommend a meditation instructor, it would be her but no, it's not transcendental meditation or you know any Delaney anything in particular. Okay. Last question. I have to ask because when I was. Gosh I. Don't know eight years. Nine years old somewhere pretend. We're flying the Colorado moving as family, and my sister has his bright idea to change her name. She's going to go by her middle name and of course, as a young impressionable. Brother I said so. Much more pig headed and stubborn than my sister. So I actually saw it through including you know. Yelling at my great grandmother. Of course when you see someone, you know a few times a year it took them years to catch up with the fact that I had changed my name as a young child. I have read that you actually took it to even further extreme and changed both both first and last name as a young kid I am so fascinated that and. Clearly. You're in the camp I Kana class because I mean that that at that age. Is. An. Amazing thing to determine antecedent through. So please tell us the story I I have to get a laugh out of this. Sure. Yeah. I mean my parents were hippies. So God, bless 'em. They were fine with it but I started hitting my name when I was eight. My my birth name was Ana A. N., A.. Fleishman which is my dad's family name so Hungarian Jew. and. I first of all, no one could pronounce it and everyone call Me Anna and so I, was like its own ah and my mom was like, no, it's ANA and I was like whatever I couldn't even pronounce my own name. Of. Everyone misspelled it put two ends in it. And you know then Fleischmann Oh some kid at school tease me Anna Anna Anna flush the toilet man I dunno whatever. I didn't want to be on a flight. I didn't resonate with the name. So we started talking about wanted to change my name when I was very, very young and. Finally. I just didn't let it go and so my parents finally realized I was very, very serious and the since like year to where I I was just trying out new mom I've got it. Morningstar. Mom Jamie. K- bomb you know whatever? Anyway one day I was like, mom I've really got it. I've really got it. I'M GONNA. Change my name to Susan. And she said. Really, and I was like yeah. Yeah. Susan and she said that's not really a fit for you like that you're gonNA. Find that. That's your friend's MOM's name. It's sort of like a one thousand, nine, hundred, fifty s housewife name and I was like, no, no, no, I love it. I didn't know anyone named Susan except. In the chronicles of Narnia the lion, the witch and the wardrobe and the seven amazing books CS. Lewis Road Susan was one of the four protagonist. Kids. Ray Peter Edmund Lucy and Susan, and the vice principal of my school was named Susan Anderson and she was really nice to me. I remember really liking her other than that I knew no other Susan's. So I changed my name to Susan my mom agreed but was sort of befuddled 'cause I seemed like such an edgy sort of different kind of kid. So she was kind of. Doubt that I wanted to make myself Susan but it seemed edgy to me. I didn't know I didn't know otherwise and then I took my grandma's. Name. So my grandma was Paul Pierce and I wanted to name myself after my match lineage, not my patronage. So at the age of nine in the state of California, where the laws at the time were to legally change your name adult or child or otherwise, you must use the new name for a year submit to the court records of your new name on your doctor's records, your dentist records, your school records what have you. and. Then the court will stamp and legally changed your name I legally changed my name from Ana. Fleischmann to Susan Pierce No middle name and either of them on a Fleishman Susan Pierce at the age of nine. that. That is amazing and so much cooler than my story because I never got around to be legal name change it is. It's always stuck and it's been such a headache all legal documents. Like. All other instances I'm mad at such a pain. A. R.. O. N.. Correct middle name is matthew and literally on a whim. No Pre thought like definitely not as sophisticated as you're thinking I, thought Oh my sister she's GonNa go by her middle name I'll go buy mine and. I have no I honestly I've no idea. You know y you've been stuck. Why was so determined but yeah, fast fast forward some years and I'm still mad. which maybe I should go back marriage should go back because we have too many. Matt's on our team actually. So we all go buyer we have a lot of mats. Right. And Yeah. If you can believe it, we have yet one more matt on on our team. So it's it's an issue, it's an issue. Have well I'm I'm so inspired by your perseverance both in name changing and also in your broader. Life's journey having honestly. It's one of those roller coaster to that I'm glad you wrote a book because you know you certainly had justification given what you've gone through wave accomplished and I have no doubt someone will turn it into a movie one day. So Susan. Thank you so much for spending the time with us and for sharing so much. We'll be sending out an email to let everyone know about the bright line boot camp coming up Is there any parting words or any anywhere that you direct people if they want to learn more about bright line about you? Let me think if people wanNA take that quiz. If People WanNa take that quiz, they could go to food freedom quiz dot com food freedom quiz dot com. And then I just WanNa say there's always a few folks out there who and if it's you're listening and you're like really Just, at your wit's end with noticing yourself not be able to really. Control what you put in your mouth like promising yourself you'll have a little and then you have a lot promising yourself you'll. Get that treat and then you do. stock weighing more than you know you want to not in alignment with how your body feels or looks or moves because you're carrying all that extra weight. That's not you know it's not like the man wants you to be thin like twiggy it's more that it's just not your right sized. It's not your best bright body. if you have tried everything There's one thing left to try and it actually works sometimes even best for people who are at. That jumping off point their wit's end. So I just WANNA say there's hope there's hope I rarely meet anyone who's as bad of a food addict as I have been and and I have recovered and You know we watch people really transform. All the time in bright line eating, and there is peace and freedom and food neutrality and health and vitality and hope there really is. So that's the that's what I wanted to say. Well, I can't think of any better word anymore inspirational words and that so Susan. Thank you so much again for spending the time and we all look forward to joining this next bootcamp. Thanks so much screaming to be with you really truly thank you so much.

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Grit, Mentorship, Mobility, Community, And Wellness Balance  A Coaches Conversation   BHP43 Featuring Danny Burde

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Grit, Mentorship, Mobility, Community, And Wellness Balance A Coaches Conversation BHP43 Featuring Danny Burde

"Welcome to the boost health podcast where we are searching for wellness balance. Your host is Paul sanfer. A certified strength and conditioning specialist with nearly twenty years of experience in the health and fitness in street and degrees in human biology and business at blue self. Our passion is to learn and share new wellness tactics and help individuals create their own personal health strategy. Join us on this journey of being open minded and try new thins. You can learn more at my health dot com. Welcome to the show. Your hours thousands. Why your balance that is our goal here? A boost health what an episode number forty three of the boost health podcast today show feature special guest Dany bird across bit coach. And host of the iron crew podcast. We have tons in common. And as such we went off on a number of topics, including evolving, as coaches mentorship. Grit gaining size and strength fast, mobility, and his favourite three mobility tactics. The power of the mind proper smashing techniques fitness community and how Danny finds his balance we covered all that. Even though we had a few technical issues on our call. We have a ton of stuff that we didn't cover. So we're gonna have to have Danny back again soon a couple quick announcements and we'll jump right into the show. Extra boost. I'm currently beta testing, a special members area on the mybookie health dot com website called the extra boost. And this members area, I'll be able to share additional fitness and wellness tips. Workout videos, nutrition ideas, behind the scenes of what I do personally, a community form and more. Currently the member's area is free and the extra boost holiday wellness challenge is live. I give you eight tips to actually improve health over the holidays and building fun and accountability with your personal goals with a certificate and appoints tracker, just go to my boo self dot com and click extra boost from the menu to check it out. It isn't too late to get started and have healthy remainder of the holiday season. Boost health TV it is a fischel boost health TV has launched. There are now several episodes of the boost held podcast that are available. On the boost health TV YouTube channel, there are also several awesome workout videos, including a new one. I just created that requires no equipment now. This should come in pretty handy during the holiday travel all linked to the channel and the show notes and blog so you can check it out and last the newsletter. If you haven't already signed up for the weekly boost newsletter, you can do so really easily just put your name and Email into the form on the homepage of my boost health dot com that way you don't miss any boost health news. All right now here is episode number forty three featuring Danny Byrd. What a special guest with me today. Episode forty three of the boost health podcast features. Mr. Danny Byrd, Danny is at cross fit coach at NC fit, which is located in Redwood City, California, and he's host of the iron crew podcast. If you haven't checked out ready. You got to check out really good show. And he, and I have a lot of similarities, I think as I talk about his history and his background you'll if you've been listening to my show for awhile, you'll see a lot of similarities, which is sort of what made us decide to to get together on a show. Well, he he I fall in love with fitness back in nineteen Ninety-six when he needed to gain weight for his high school football team, which sounds like a very familiar story for me. I think we're about the same age too. And his older brother's best friend is Sal, the Steffano. And if you haven't listened to the mind pump podcast, it's one of my favorites. I think it's one of Danny's favorites who it's just a really good show. The guys do a really nice job and sort of middle of the road. They cover all sorts of wellness, topics. And so I'm super jealous about the Dany actually got taken under sows wing and showed him how to squat and dead lift and bench like learning from a pro like that that's so cool. So Danny grew fast and film love with strength and conditioning, which is always exciting. When you're young guy. You start putting on muscle. It's super cool. And he started reading everything he could on exercise, nutrition and health and he experimented with everything under the sun. So he's a lot like me doing all these any calls upon experiments, and it wasn't a naturally gifted athlete and needed all the help. He could get and his love for exercise continue through college actually played football at San Jose State university as a running back, and he double majored in college in psychology and kinesiology with emphasis on. Teaching and later he enlisted in the police academy in two thousand six whereas introduced to cross fit by one of his instructors, the instructor challenge the class to do a workout called, Cindy, which evolved, twenty minutes of pull ups push ups and air squats, and he felt the positive effects of that style of exercise immediately, and he's been following cross fit workouts ever since but he's still enjoys all styles of fitness and still implements a variety in his exercise routines today. So Danny thank you so much for being on the show today. I really appreciate it. All I really appreciate the amazing intro. A was captivated by your voice. Well, I felt like I felt like I was talking about myself and a lot of ways I graduated high school in nineteen Ninety-seven. So I think we're about the same age, and I weighed a hundred and forty pounds soaking wet and I played to a ball Merican football. But I played left out mostly right, right? Yeah. I know I can totally relate in a couple of things stuck out when you're talking is. I think that like a lot of times when we when we say, we jive on a lot of a lot of topics like mobility in proper form, and and longevity is because we are of a certain age. That's where we've been through ups and downs. And realized that this is a long asked life, a part of me, if I this is a non Cussing on cast, but this is a long life, and you start to realize like, you know, probably, you know, everyone's different. But somewhere in the mid thirty range, you start to realize man, like, I'm not even halfway done with my life. And I'm already having these aches and pains, and I need the pride prioritize, mobility and stuff. So I think just listening to you talk about how we job on a lot of things it. That's the first pops out is just the fact that were of similar age. Yeah. And it sounds like you teach a lot and coach a lot in the same way that I do we I I mean I've. Started this, you know, wellness and fitness career twenty years ago, and I can tell you that I don't coach people the same way that I did twenty years ago. I don't even coach in the same way that it a couple of months ago because you know, you have to be open minded to new ideas. I think that's the most important thing that I coach is try new things be open minded to new concepts. You don't know if something's going to work for you, unless you unless you give it a go, and I did not always coach that way ahead to learn that the hard way like you said through through experience. So, you know, us us guys guys of a certain age. We we have that that wisdom that we can hopefully share with our with our clients. Yes. Definitely. So we heard a little bit about your background. I'm I'm interested in this. So you were a running back at San Jose State. This is a great football college. You must have been a your white guy. You must have been fast as lightning. How how did you? How did you manage that? Dude. All right. So to clear the air. I was very similar to you. I was playing left out, right? You were way better than me. Yeah. Yes. So I was on the team. How about that? Did not see the field much special teams at best. And you're right. There was a certain time where I was a a really good player on the field in high school, and I went onto junior college right before San Jose State. And I started to notice that I was excelling in in the sport in high school junior college because of my shear grit, my sheer willingness to spend hours on hours in the weight room on the practice field studying game tape, and I was not the most athletic person the field, I always gravitated towards leadership and being like the captain of the football team. But as far as the fastest strongest gun field that was never made that even in high school that was never me. But I excelled because of my hard work and my commitment to fitness, really. So then I go down to San Jose State in you say, it's a great create great college team. But I would say it's really not a great college team in the division one spectrum on the lower end of the division one. But I guess in the grand scheme of things, and you know, when it comes to like division too. Three it. You know, it's it is it's it's a division one school, and you have world class athletes who are recruited from all across the country. Many guys end up on San Jose state's football team our guys who had opportunity at bigger universities. But whatever reason didn't make grades or wasn't for whatever reason just didn't get recruited by that big school. But they still had the talent. So I got to San Jose State, and I was surrounded by guys who are bench press and five hundred pounds, run four four forties and just complete absolute monsters on the field, and they had the exact same grit, determination and work ethic as I did. And so my performance on the field started to diminish in. I I was third string played down here. And there was didn't see much time on the football field. And right around that time, I started to kind of fall out of love with football and fall more in love with the physical fitness aspect. And I started realize it like I actually enjoyed training for football more. So than I play that I did play football and isn't the chicken or the I don't know if it was just because like I got to a certain age right as wanted to to work out and not really get like hitting the face every friction every down. Or if it was because my my performance on the field started to deteriorate, and that is why I didn't really like football anymore. So is probably a little bit of both. But nonetheless, that's when I genuinely started to realize like in my mind, I thought to myself, I'm looking more forward to weight training and running sprints than I am actually running plays in studying game film. Yeah. That's so similar to me. I don't know if I would have gotten more opportunity like you had him. I may have had a little bit of a different vibe about it. But I I never had to be like motivated to exercise. I've always really really enjoyed that. And and kind of the same way to a lesser extent because I didn't play at a university level. But I did play a lot of sports. And when I got to school got when I got to university, I was really just focusing fulltime just on fitness, not necessarily for sport. And but it all started. I wanna I wanna talk to you about some of your mentors. I know Sal was one of your mentors. And I'm sure some of your football coaches were you know, when I was going from eighth grade to ninth grade. This was in Florida. My dad was in the military. We were still stationed in Florida. There was a summer football weight program. And I my dad was my original finished more mentor. I'd always sort of he always helped me bang around the all on the old gym set in the garage, you know, with with a concrete weights or Joe either set is so cool as gray. That's that's we're legends are born. That's right. I mean like the old school no bumper plates. No fancy equipment. Just in literally in your garage that had like a two percents downslope Pino backs Glen on uneven surface, and you don't have a squat rack got a clean it up in here. Your here. Your friend. That's that's good stuff. Right there. Yeah. A little bit a little bit more dangerous, but a little bit more fun da. What's really this program? You know? I've interested here like I said about your mentors. But I was I was going from from eighth grade into high school, and I did this summer strength conditioning program for football. If you wanted to play football the next season you had to do this program. And I remember this was like seven o'clock in the morning almost every day during the during the week, and you're getting out there. And you know, these coaches were tough, but also motivating, and you know, still provided a lot of positive feedback. And you know, they're out there saying, you know, you're building up some some peach muscles, you know, the other kids are sitting at home on the couch eating Cheetos, so it was just like all this like this community. I like this. You know, vibe of I'm in here working really hard and getting stronger, and I was a skinny kid. So it was just so cool to start to see some some muscles popping out. So I had my dad was huge mentor for me. And then these these football coaches, especially that sort of beginning of my if you would even call it a career my football. Amateur career of playing ball was huge from transformational for me. And I just fell in love with it and never turned back. But tell me about your your mentors. Yeah. And you know, the first thing that pops into my mind is when you tell that story is the story about my older brother, and I my older brother rich. Who would I would say he was, you know, my father figure growing up he my role model growing up we are very similar in so many ways, but we're different so many ways in one of the ways that we're different is. I was always really into athletics. I was always really into sports in like, you go into dances in high school and doing all the social activities where he was a little bit more of an outcast more of a stone. Or if you will didn't play sports skated smoked pot. Yeah. Just kinda live just a totally different life where I was up at five AM even in the summertime as a high school kid about four AM as a college athlete lifting weights and whatnot while he's out partying going raves. And just having a grand old time in his twenties. And I remember right around. I was twenty five or twenty six so he was approaching thirty in. I remember expressing to him. We are having a beer or something. And I said, you know, I really really jealous of all the experiences that you had in your teens early twenties. You know, you have so many like war stories of like hooking up girls and going to parties and having he was telling all these really really cool funds stories, and I didn't like a had any at the time. And so I was expressing that to him any. But you know, what did like I envy you because you were surrounded by people who wanted to succeed in what they wanted to do which was football. It was like you were surrounded with people who were motivating you guys set goals. You achieved them you're up at the ask crack of dawn, and you went on, and did, you know, six hours of school, and you came back, and you did practice and was like, you you were developing habits rituals and practices that you are now able to convert into your day to day life as an adult. And when he said that I thought damn you're totally right, man. Like if I wanted to go party today, I could go party today. But if my brother, and he has since changed, so this is no longer a fact, but for some people they can't flip that switch to go be motivated get up at a certain hour into be disciplined, and to and to have rituals that set you up for success in a in always think about that. When I think to myself, the value of sports athletics, and how you know. Success breeds success in the more. You surround yourself was successful people the more you are successful in. When you told your story about how you are surrounded by people in that summer camp. It really brought me back to that conversation that with my brother so answer answered question. My brother was definitely one of my mentors growing up still is to this day. But as far as like athletically, I mean, you hit around the head of the interest, Sal salvos, my very first introduction to to lay training when I was little and much like you. I was just naturally not. I'm not naturally athletically, gifted person, I'm coordinated I pick. Things up fast. But I'm not the biggest I'm not the Baptist. I go jump the highest. And so I was getting mopped back. Getting mopped up and down the football field is in Princeton high school. And I thought, you know, just notice that there was one common denominator with all the people who are succeeding in football at the high school level, and they are all big strong and fast and everyone said the way to get big strong facets to lift weights. And I I think I went back home in like, my mom, I think she had like a small paired dumbbells in the garage or something like five like five town me. And so I'm remember thinking to myself, just like hammering like hundreds and thousands of bicycle with that ships and sit ups in like, I was doing preacher. Curls that was just like making shit up. And then my brother comes me it was like dude sow works at a gym. And he he does personal training and he does front desk. He's he he knows a lot about the stuff. You should go hit him up. So I reach out to sell who is my older brother's best friend at the time. And unlike do just show me the ropes like this is what I wanna do. Get bigger and stronger. So he's like got you is what you're gonna do three days a week. You're gonna do five six five bench press Bax what dead lifts, and he was like you're gonna do some shoulder presses in between. And of course, you're gonna do some bicep curls because it, Sal. Yeah. And he doesn't own program that Sal puts out is is not is not complete without bicep. Curls. So so anyway, can you still hear me ball yet? Yet. Sounds good. But okay. And so he so. Yeah. So Sal was my first. So I did I did exactly what he said all summer long and sure enough going my sophomore year high school going into football camp. I got bigger I got stronger, I got past rows captain the football team was starting running back and ever since. Then I was I I saw the those immediate effects in results from weight training and with the weight room can do for you. And so that's that's just where I fell in love with fitness. So Sal was definitely number one. When it comes to showing me the ropes there as far as coaches, a high school football coach was a big mentor. He was always one that just like I was pretty much a chip off that old block when it comes to my high school football coach because he was not the biggest he was not the fastest. He was all about really really working hard in a really did. Learn a lot. In high school football about just the positive effects of hard work in getting up early in dedicating yourself to something and seeing the results of all of your commitment spit. It was it was really really good time in my life. That's so cool. How much older was your is your older, brother? He's three years older years older. Okay. Yes. Just enough to to offer some some wisdom back to sounds like for sure right yet in you had mentioned, you graduated high school in ninety seven. That's when he graduated high school. Hey, hey, happy birthday, by the way. I I heard you just turned forty. Oh, yeah. Thanks. Thanks. Yes. So so, yeah, you're you're coming up on that in a few years. And I always say, you know, it doesn't really matter. What the the number is. It's it's how you feel and I I'm not recover as fast as I used to. But I certainly feel like, you know, with just years and years of practicing different things and trying different things that I'm definitely a healthier person for sure. Yeah. It is not funny. How that works. It is. Alright. So folks, we had a little little technical difficulty. There will patch this together. Hopefully, it seems okay. But I was asking as asking Danny if you remember about how much weight you put on when you switch to that sort of mass building strengthen conditioning program. You got from Sal. Yes. The the thing you have to remember as I was like fourteen or fifteen years old when that happens so much might testosterone was frigging through the roof. Right. And and I was eating like crazy. I remember vividly going to GNC end just seeking out. The IPE is most dirtiest bulky is mass building supplement. They had at it was like fifty bucks for like a hundred servings or something ridiculous. And it was like mass gainer eighteen thousand or whatever. And as member thinking to myself like if one serving of this has good than another serving must be better. And this was like before the technology was was good like it is now like. Like it tastes. Now. It tastes good. It's not super filling. Where before it was like it was just dislike chalky, crappy powder didn't taste good. And it was really feeling and it was like a deployed my nose nor to chug it down so combined combine all of those factors and lifting three times. Heavy, you know, five by five dead lift by by five bench and swat and running wind sprints and playing football is being an active fourteen fifteen year old I gained a good twenty five thirty khow about four. Maybe five months that's auto. Right. So when I picked us up, I think it was around may was the end of my freshman year ended it consistently throughout the summer. And I walked onto the very first football game. Come I wanna say September. So that was what's up four five. Maybe and I was one sixty five, but I started that one thirty five so. Yeah. Thirty pounds while gained thirty pounds in about four or five months. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, I wish I could do that. Now like, my appetites getting so bad that I can barely like keep the muscle mass that I have on it takes work to do just that. Let's see how tall are you? I am five eleven and a half in. I know that for a fact because they would do our heightened weight and seeing every six weeks in college and every every six weeks, they send me up to the scale and take my scale my weight, and then they'd put me in bare feet and then the measure measurement height in every single time. I would think God please give me six please give the edited by the measured by the quarter inch. And so they'd be like all right birdie, five eleven and a half. And I'm like. Just give it to me coach. I'd be like I'd like tilt my chin down my chain. Like try to get like some crazy angle. That would get me six foot. So I am five eleven and a half. Yeah. We're we're I think a similar Bill. Right at six feet. Yeah. Nowadays, I'm weighing about one seventy between one seventy one seventy two but in in university, what was sort of in my bodybuilder split group routine type of workout was right around two hundred. But I feel so much better. And I look so much better than I operate and perform so much better thirty pounds lighter than I did then I'm definitely wasn't the composition of that two hundred as pretty so. Yeah. And and you know, you mentioned mobility before yet, you feel you're more flexible deflecting can get like shoulder to overhead easier because you don't have these big, bulky shoulders entraps. Yeah. Absolutely. And, you know, I'm embarrassed to say, but mobility, isn't something that I really. Studied until this year. You know, my freedom jolt did this like he's a big follower of k star. And and he's he's like we did a bike ride together. And he's like checkout this pistol squad. Paul you should be able to do it your Mr. strengthened conditioning, and he gets down into a beautiful pistol all the way down all the way up other lake. Same thing. Boom, boom. No, no hiccup or anything, and I'm like, I've never tried that before. Yeah. I should be able to do that. I do squats and lunges all the time. And I couldn't do it then. And I and I like over the next few times, you know, in a quiet space by myself. I started practicing these things, and I'm like what is wrong with me. And then I started learning about oh ankle mobility. That's where my problem is fixed that and then it's up the chain kinetic chain to other problems. So my appreciation for from mobility is relatively new, and that's why I'm saying like always learning new things, and there's this huge component. I'm gonna have to go back and rewrite a couple of articles where I sort of encapsulate. What I see is the main elements of fitness and mobility is. Missing piece that I just recently I had a big I think there's a misunderstanding with mobility. And I'm sure you can create this talk about this to like mobility isn't flexibility, mobility, is is body awareness, its strength and flexibility all combined into one and finding those in ranges of motion. It's not how far you can go down and touch your toes. It's how you can perform squad and get into that end range of motion. I want to hear your take on this too. But like, I I really believe in the sliding filament theory now, right? Like, if you think of the sliding film three like velcro, and your mobility is like, let's say you go from like a short piece of velcro, which is strong, but not as strong as if you get along piece of Elko. Well, that's going to be a lot stronger than short piece of Elkin. I'm sort of imagining that like a squat like if I can go down X distance on a squat. That's my shorter length of velcro. But if I improve my mobility in a squat, then my velcro a lot. Longer, and that's a lot stronger. And so all of a sudden, I'm doing squat presses with way, heavier weight. What's different? I'm not doing anything different except this mobility stuff. And so it's like, oh, my gosh that totally makes sense now. Yeah. And like the one of the first things that pops into my mind is is like cross state games athletes and the difference between like like a like a somebody who's on the cusp of making it to the cross the games in somebody who consistently makes it to the cross games. Like, let's just say Matt Frazier hall straight Matt Matt Frazier's of beast, right? And nobody, but nobody talks about all the the hours of mobility work that he does daily daily basis and you touch right on the head of the ankle, mobility and being able to pistol swat most people who spend many hours in the gym, especially squatting have the capacity to to squat with one on just one leg. But did they have the balance coordination in the flexibility and stability in the bottom of their squat in order to do that like butter and one of the main differences between Frazier and somebody who does. Makes it to regionals than that's it is stuff like ankle, mobility that you don't and it's not only because he's able to get into the bottom of a pistol swat easier with that does is that saves the energy that he would be wasting trying to to get into a pistol squad. If he didn't have all that mobility. He would be wasting a ton of energy and time getting into the bottom of that pistol. So that when he had to go do power cleans or something he he was not feel as fresh hitting the power cleans because he wasted so much dim