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Matt Ellis  Business Development for Gyrodata on Permian Perspective  PP060

Permian Perspective Podcast

24:28 min | 3 weeks ago

Matt Ellis Business Development for Gyrodata on Permian Perspective PP060

"Um the permian basin is an abundant oil and gas producing area already. One of the world's leading oil producing regions the area in west texas and southeastern new. Mexico will continue to be america's main source for energy independence but who are the leaders behind this economic powerhouse. And what is their story. This is permian perspective. Podcast is your host krista as a special thank you to our sponsor lovie for more than one hundred fifty years and lovie has pioneered innovations that enable its customers to safely produce abundant energy while minimizing environmental impact their expertise and technology continually improve operations and assist efforts to advance the energy transition towards a more sustainable future and lovie powers the industry that powers the world. Coming up later in our show. We'll have a big giveaway announcement. So good luck hello. Everyone welcome to this week's episode. I'm sitting here this afternoon. In midland texas with matt ellis and he is with business development for the permian basin for gyro data matt. Thanks so much for being with us today. You can't wait to hear your story. It's going to be a good one all right before we get started met. I wanna say huge. Thank you to all of you. Who have shared time with us here at permian perspective through the years. Now we are excited to begin our second season and we couldn't do it without are amazing. Og and team sponsors and listeners. Like you a special. Thank you to those of you. Who such wonderful five star reviews and kind words. I cannot tell you how much i appreciate it. And if you wanna go over to apple itunes and leave a review. That would be fantastic. Make my day make me smile so please feel free to do so and also share the podcast with friends and colleagues are at matt. Thanks so much again for being with us today. let's get started. How did you get started in the oil and gas industry in two thousand and three hours going to college and i was paying for my own college and i had a buddy asked me if i wanted to take a shot into oilfield and make a little extra money and so in my mind i was going to jump into the will field and save up to pay for college and promoted relatively quickly and just decided to make it a career. That's awesome and your with gyro data. Tell us what you do. So for jar data i'm business development basically sales for the permian basin. We sell gyros logging work mainly we really do most of the pairing based on giros a few competitors out there but we really have a hold on the market right now so if someone was not familiar with what it is you actually do. Could you explain it to them police so we run a gyro basically which is going to give you surveys asthma. The nikola nation. We have most accurate tool in the world. So basically if you wanna know your will your bottom hole location of your oil. We can tell you pretty close to pinpoint accuracy of where that's at and a lot of times we do. We also do what we call. Gw staring so we can steer an end wd toll or directional tools can't function us out of casing metal piping our toll can so we also run a thing called gw detour so if they need to steer outside of casing and they have magnetic interference. Then we'll run at gw tool and get them steered away from whatever issues. There have tastic. So are you busy right now. Let's magic everyone's ears to hear music. Everyone's ears to hear that we weathered the co vid- pandemic pretty well and you know since the beginning of the year has been really busy towards the end of q. Four we were really picking up so glad to see a good feeling absolutely Technology business and as you know. Technology changes from cycle to cycle. What kind of technology changes are seeing. Now that are going to move into this next cycle. I think really. We just came out with a new tool. It's just all this date gyro. I won't get into all the fancy mechanics of it but basically it's a tool that allows it's much tougher tool than what we previously had or anybody has on the market may uses essentially the same technology that your cell phone uses for gyro compass which allows us basically it's quicker to get a a survey to surface and initialized and in as also more durable and we actually rolled out last year where now currently building tolls and getting more tools in north america. So we really made a push in the premium basin to get it out on the market and get in front of some engineers that see the value in tastic can if anyone does want to get into more details. Of course they can call you. Let's let's talk a little bit about business here in the basin. You're in one of my favorite towns. I love big spring. Big spring is especially that settled. That is fun to go to and best breakfast. I was telling you beforehand was like have you had that breakfast. Oh yeah but what is it that you love about west texas and doing business here. I think it's the people you know. I've lived in dallas and did oilfield in dallas. And i've been down san antonio and austin and i think you hear everybody knows everybody whether you're big bringing you probably know a ton of people midlander if you're middling you know a lot of people in big spring and ano- desa and i think that it's the personal relationships that we build throughout this business or any any other business around here. I think it's just a family. Atmosphere is more personal. You go to lunch with people to have meetings instead of meeting in a in an office a lot of times so. That's what i've really appreciated. I've moved. I've moved away twice both times immediately. Came back just keeps bringing you back back. that's fantastic. You mentioned you know business lunches. And i think a lot of our listeners are from not just the base and but all over the world. How'd you explain how west texas and how we're we're kind of moving forward in this pandemic right now. I think we're doing great. I think that when we needed to really hunker down and do the things that we need to do. Public health and safety. We did those. And i think that we also maintained a sensible head to keep it to where you know we still got out and did some things you know in in for jarred ed who our who our for telling earlier we did a really good job of separating you know essential personnel as far as our operations teams guys that had to be in the field to get to make money. We separated ourselves from them. Just so there was no chance of us possibly interacting with someone and you know in spreading krona virus between operations and sales who sells really doesn't necessarily need to be around operation guests other than let them know what jobs are coming so especially living in big spring. You know. I don't know how far industry on get but i didn't know all the time for it. I didn't know. I didn't know how different the world was. And so guess it was in into november me and my wife had decided you know we've been locked up. We haven't we've really. My mother-in-law moved in with us when she retired. So she's now she's six nothing. She sixty seven. Pardon me if i'm wrong. But to protect her. We've really been overly strict so in an inner november. We decided we were going to go to vegas with our family. We all flew to vegas and never knew how different the world was outside of texas until we landed in vegas and you know not to knock the the safety protocols they have in vegas but it it was definitely an eye opener of. Oh okay we still have a lot of freedoms in west texas. Is that where you go somewhere like vegas and you know if you pull your masks down to do anything you know. Someone's someone's yelling at you and it was like you know. God bless texas. Oh that's right. What what do you think because i believe everything happens for a reason. I really do what things may be. That happened through. Coronavirus that maybe you think you know what that that was a good thing. We're going to take that. Keep that even once the pandemic's over you know. I think the being personally aware when you're sick especially in the oilfield of been in this business for eighteen years now. I don't know if i've ever missed a day of work to be sick. But i've been sick and i think that was a definite eye-opener to everybody of you know if you run a fever you got a little cough. Stay home you know. There's no sense of putting someone else at risk. And and honestly until crossovers never even crossed my mind texas attitude that just keep going from dern on get out i mean i never even thought about it until this happened and now i mean notice by the flu numbers this year. Sino people have different thoughts on that but but the flu viruses. I believe the numbers are very low because people are taking being seriously you know. And if they're sick they're staying home. And i think that that goes a long way especially you know a mock kid. School has hardly had any flu outbreak this year which has been great for parents of peace of mind anytime. Our kids are not sick as a good thing. That's all we hope for well. Let's talk about leadership you have seen. I'm sure a lot of different leadership styles over the past eighteen years being oil and gas. What is one leadership style that you think is really stood out that you have seen to be beneficial in that maybe we could learn from for me you know when i started in the oilfield totally different mindset on the way people managed employees or people under them and i think the best leadership that i've actually seen is the willingness to listen to all employees and have an idea you know go farther than just in your head you can actually tell someone in your not spoken down to ridiculed for your thoughts and i think that you know has been a really good thing especially seen it from the cells. I've been doing this for three years. Now on the sell side of things getting out of operations and i believe that you know the moves that we've made in sales by interacting as a team and taking everybody's suggestion you know. We have a weekly call every week. And we have guys in canada given us pointers. You know that we're networked and candidates. Tried down here. And i think that you know not to say that it never happened when i broke out in two thousand and three but it was in nearly as acceptable. It was kind of stay in your lane back in in kinda everybody was scared to talk to upper management now nets especially i mean. Maybe i'm just being jarred etta but our upper management i can. I can call him on a cell phone right now and talked our vp of sales or vp of operations. Or even if. I wanted to make it a lot easier to get things done and moving quicker. I love that i think that open communication really helps to you know when you do have a question instead of just wondering what that personal thing pick up. The phone and call doesn't a lot better than e mails Let's talk about operations. You said you were an operations you move to sales. What did you learn operations that helped you in sales. Oh well to be honest. Operation side was actually not what i'm sailing right now has been great. I was actually a directional driller. I started out as the driller. Well i started out as a break and then moved up to a driller on reagan in two thousand in seven. I went and started being. I was a directional driller. So i was a directional driller until three years ago and i moved into sales jarred data who we used to have directional saw so directional and giro in this year or last year in march. We sold our might have been. May we sold our directional half of the company to intrepid. And so that in doing so. I stayed with gyrus sales just because i saw gyros better than i sold directional not. Because i couldn't sell it. But i think that it's it was something new for me is an interesting is not something i had done before so i was more adam on learning it and and really getting into that market and so it's been a blessing done. Hopefully we'll for myself. It sounds like you have. That's great let's talk about. You said he started off as a hand. And i think a lot of people's b step into this new cycle and we're going to start to see people getting hired and we're going to see a lot of people start to get back into the business or maybe they were in it and then covid stopped it. What advice would you give to someone that is starting from the bottom and they have that aspirations to be in sales position operations. What advice would you give to them. A it's just learning promoted quickly. By the time. I believe two years enemy began hired on for patterson i was drilling. You know everything's repetition so the quicker you learn you know. This is what i gotta do. And in the way i looked at it was if i was back in his tongue. Hand if i was on hand and you know was a chain hand doing her now a believe they don't have changing more but motormen does so. It's you know. I've always been a top person. Who was the guy above me doing and trying to learn from him. And so i think if you if you make that rule in your head you will promote very quickly through the oilfield and the you get obviously the longer it takes to go from next position next position but to get it from the ground floor up. It's not hard work hard. Does it and learn it you know. Don't put yourself in danger. Don't try to do something that you can't do learn how to do it right. And then and then get the jobs done well. Safety is so important. And i know we we really see it here and i know a lot of industry safety's important but i feel like what is the number one safety rule that you would say is important when you on a rig. Oh bob watch where you put your hand. No i think to ask a lot of you know early when i was working as a lot of it. Was you know working. On things you know. Making a connection or on a rig. Is you do it every day. Multiple times a day so that all becomes very repetition. You know your pinch points where to stay away from but you know when you go to work on a motor. You've never worked on before you know. People like me is not like at home where you just jump on something and let's tear it apart because there's things that have fallen kill you so it is known known your which we're gonna actually doing. Jsa's least roller is adam. But they're they're very useful. They if you actually jays and you don't make a joke out of it. There's a lot of good safety tips in there. And then also you know your lock out tag out situations things like that that i think really helped with you know there for a while in two thousand sixteen thousand and two thousand eight hours. Directional drilling accidents. Were really at all time. High here on rigs. And i believe that's really filling off because of people really stop in each other five people getting together and talking about to do and what safety protocols. They're going to go through in at least elites puts it in your head of the dangers that you might see your face. that's good. I think those are all just great points to make and we just want everyone to stay safe. please please be saved. Let's talk a little bit about you personally. So what is your number one business tool. That has helped you in this business. Oh man being able to talk a lot smell now. That's what i do for a living so it's a tool. You don't think that people for one that that kind of brought me in and helped introduce me to certain circles to help me get my name out there. What know what else selling what i was doing but also you know i never take for granted linked in tons of you know if you don't know anybody at a company you know and your prospect in that company you can always get on linked in in in the beautiful thing about lyndon i think is not intrusive so it's not me finding your phone number for some reason and calling you out of the blue and maybe heaven your personal number instead of your work on. It's a way of. They put themselves on that platform so they they can write you back or they don't and i think the desert beautiful part about because they do reggie back then you automatically have a good sense of communication between the two and you're not being intrusive calling someone you know possibly the phone. It is a great business. Connector reason i feel like oil and gas really utilizes it to its full capacity. Great is is very nice. And i've never i've never had anybody message me back only again and be like. Why are you missed jimmy. You know they know other on. It's a business connection. That's why that's why. I'm on there as well. I've done some neurons there. Yeah i i honestly think it's probably the best tool for us right now to keep us informed in finding new people all the time. Great do you have a favorite book or podcasts. That you listen to. I'll listen to tim. Cast every now and then on my phone. I don't know if you know who is not but he does a youtube. I think he has a podcast is will on our teams but i listened to him on youtube every now and then generally. I don't listen to the daily ones he does. I listened to the ira which is his live shows whereas guests. He's joe rogan. He's kind of an nba team perspective on politics of whatever your political views. He's kind rotten middle so he might have someone. That's you know democrat on in the next week republican. But i've always enjoyed his show just because it gives me both perspectives of way. People think this opposite opposite of me right nice. What about you knew it was coming so here it is. Do you have a favorite quote do do unto others as you do unto yourself. Yes okay yeah. I had a good one. That is a good one and just in life and in business and everything. I think you should always treat everything that goes on in the world in watching news we get a lot further. If we treated everybody the way we wanna be treated. And i think he's worked out pretty well for me. Of course my grandpa was a preacher. So we kinda made us be nice to everybody. I love that. That's he's good grandpa. Let's talk about gyro data before we go if you were trying to tell someone that utilizes say one of your competitors what would you say is the reason why they should switch to debt. I would love to say me. But i think you know our operation teams. I've never seen you know whether it's here or pennsylvania or denver or houston or even overseas. I've never seen an operation teams. That strauss more for perfection. If we do ever have an issue there you know. I'm getting a phone call at two. Am the engineer begin. A phone call. You know they're very good at staying on top of everything you know whether it's issues whether the job went great you know they obsessed at our tools are the best in the world but but our operations team is amazing. Here and matter of fact you know. I was telling you we had a sales call and you know our operation teams on that sells call and i don. I never known me. Sales companies that has their operation teams involved in everything but we always think is good for their perspective perspective and then also they know they know month ahead of time of the jobs that not become a and so it really keeps them. You know where we have hands available in trucks available and and never running late. So i'll give one hundred percent credit to our operation team to switch over. What do you think is the best kept secret in west texas. Oh man there's no. I think you mentioned the settles and i think that not just because i'm a homer and it has big spring but you know i think that if you're from midland or if you're from odessa and you haven't traveled over to mix spring to see what they did to the settles. I think everybody should see it. It's you know my dad's a fireman in big spring. Until when i was a kid they would repel off the top of the settled so we got to go inside before it was anything it was just got it. There was no staircase. There was nothing in there and to see what did my mind's playing on what his name is that rebuilt it but it is. It is truly amazing. What they've done there. I'd say i i agree. I think it is one of the best kept secrets a love that finally is there anything that you wanna do to get out coming into this interview or like i'm gonna be on a podcast. I want to say this and that. Maybe we haven't talked about. Is there anything you would like to add. No i'm not overly political person. But i know that you know just off my facebook feed alone which i don't have thousands and thousands of france but i know that everybody in west texas seems to presidentially getting uproar when we switch presidents or switch parties president in the oilfield here into luckily just speaking for myself. And i know there's been people laid off since the since two thousand and three. We've i've pretty steady in in in my job. Depending on who no matter who or what president was in office. You know you know. I think that people should always keep that in mind. Is that you know we. We have the staple of oil in the world. In my opinion we have you know we have good safety. We have good laws here. We have so. I don't think that the texas oilfields going anywhere. Moslo down every now and then but it's going to stay around. So i think that that i was seen a lot of people on facebook just panicking and i hope judging by the sixty five dollars a barrel right now that they're kind of tamper down a little bit. Everybody comes down and we move on. Yeah i wish you that much success this year in the near future and i appreciate you sharing all of your experiences and knowledge with us today and if someone wants to reach you. What's the best way they can do that. Man besides lincoln. You wanna reach me. My my email address is matthew. Ellis jared dot com. But if he's been my first name is emmett t t h e because my mom loved me for so yeah matthew dot ls jared etta dot com and then you can call her office but i will more office number. So that's the beautiful glit- if yes just google gyro data mid spring texas. This is a great thing about having phones now. We don't remember any numbers any more so true so true. Well matt thank you so much for sharing with us today. We really appreciate your time and thank you once again. If you would like to reach matt you can find him on linked in you. Can google limb. You can give them a call and he will help you out with all of your oil and gas needs. Thank you so much. It's time now to announce this week's community mvp and it's a group of gentleman. Justin folding nate ferrera and edie henry. Now what these three gentlemen do. I'm gonna tell you. Their first of all from laredo petroleum and they helped get water to those in need during the winter storm that started back and valentine's day and for those of you that here in texas or may watching from afar know that we lost power he had no water and these gentlemen they just jumped in there and they helped deliver water to those in need so once again. A special shout out to this week's community. Mvp justin building. Nate ferrera and edie henry with laredo petroleum. 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Flogo: Event-Driven Ecosystem with Leon Stigter and Matt Ellis

Software Engineering Daily

52:16 min | 2 years ago

Flogo: Event-Driven Ecosystem with Leon Stigter and Matt Ellis

"A smart security camera takes in a high volume of video images and processes those images using a set of machine learning models. These models can be used to identify interesting snippets of movement throughout the day. Wherever the security camera is located and the security camera can decide which of those snippets to keep some of the video snippets might contain movement of birds, but other video snippets might contain footage of intruders or people stealing merchandise from your store as the video stream is processed on the smart security camera and machine learning models are used to classify the entities in the video stream some of the data gets thrown out as being useless. Some of the data gets sent to the cloud for additional processing some of the data might trigger on alert that there is an intruder on the premises. Maybe that alert emits from the cloud or maybe it emits directly from the local network that the smart security cameras on. Each piece of video data is an event these events are processed and acted upon modern applications are highly interactive, and they have lots of events other examples of event data streams our website traffic, data self driving car data time series, logging data video game session, data building applications that respond to these high volumes of events requires us to program triggers to react to data streams, we need actions to take in response to the data streams, and we need workflows to orchestrate what the overall picture of our application is doing as this application is consuming a large data stream. Plus, we don't want to keep all of this data. We probably wanna throw some of it out depending on the application. We may want to throw a lot of it out. We may want to refine the data. There's a lot of things you wanna do to these high volume data stream. In order to operate efficiently. Over them flow. Go is an event driven ecosystem for building applications around streams of events Leon Stig her and Matt Ellis work on flow, go at Tipco, and they joined the show to discuss event driven application development and their work on flow. Go they also talk about the constraints of machine learning applications at the edge, and how event processing systems like flow. Go can be used to handle large data streams on edge devices. Full disclosure Tipco is a sponsor of software engineering daily. Digital ocean is a reliable easy to use cloud provider. I've used digital ocean for years whatever I want to get an application off the ground quickly. And I've always loved the focus on user experience, the great documentation and the simple user interface. More and more people are finding out about digital ocean and realizing that digital ocean is perfect for their application workloads. This year digital ocean is making that even easier with new node types, a fifteen dollar flexible droplet that can mix and match different configurations of CPU ram to get the perfect amount of resources for your application. There are also CPU optimized droplets perfect for highly active front end servers or CIC de workloads and running on the cloud can get expensive. Which is why digital? Ocean. Makes it easy to choose the right size instance, and the prices on standard instances have gone down to you can check out all their new deals by going to DO dot CO slash S E daily. And as a bonus to our listeners, you will get a hundred dollars in credit to us over sixty days. That's a lot of money to experiment with you can make one hundred dollars. Go pretty far on digital ocean. You can use the credit for hosting or infrastructure and that includes load balancers object storage digitalization spaces is a great new product that provides object storage. And of course, computation get your free one hundred dollar credit at DO dot CO slash S, E daily and thanks to digital ocean. For being sponsor, the co founder of digital ocean. Moisy Eretz ski was one of the first people I interviewed and his interview is really inspirational for me. So I've always thought of digital ocean as a pretty inspir-. Company. So thank you digital ocean. Liane sticked her and Matt Ellis you both work at Tipco guys. Welcome to software engineering daily. Hey, thanks. Thank you very much. So today, we're gonna talk about flow go, which is an event driven ecosystem. It's an ecosystem for building applications that have events or they might have lots of stream processing going on. And we'll get into what those different facets of the application ecosystem mean, but I want to start with one specific application, which is machine learning on edge devices. So this is an interesting and burgeoning area because we have edged devices that are ingesting large streams of data, for example, a video feed and the edge device can facilitate machine learning across that high throughput data stream, but it's obviously a challenge because you're bottlenecked by the amount of storage the amount of networking capac-. Thirty on this edge device as you have this trade off between what are you doing at the edge? And what do you want to try to do in the cloud? So if we're talking about specifically machine learning on edge devices, what are some applications of machine learning for edge devices yet, it's fantastic question. So I mean, if you truly think about it, and you've you've called this out already. You've got these edge devices. I mean, you've got thousands of them potentially that are producing data points, and you could be producing data points, you know, roughly data point per millisecond or even even at higher frequencies. So oftentimes taking that that individual raw data and transporting that backup to the cloud is is not practical. So so typically what you end up doing. Is you apply some element of stream processing, so I like to say is that in this case stream processing is often oftentimes used as data preprocessing. So if we take a concrete example, we've demonstrated the idea of taking edged device with an accelerometer and the accelerometer is is used to predict whether or not. But you know, somebody's walking running. Maybe they fall in the how great or what was the the magnitude of the impact and things like that. So you process the stream of data, and then you prepare the feature input into a format that's compatible with the the the MO model that you're influencing. And then you can you can leverage things like like tensor flow to inference Dorado, or the, you know, the process data, and they come up with a classification. So being able to classify that the base on accelerometer readings at the person's walking running they've fallen. And then you've calculated the magnitude. So the the impact was was rather great. Maybe we should alert somebody for some help or something like that is an ideal scenario where you wanna perform the logic on the edge device because I mean, you can imagine if you're streaming up that data to the cloud, and it's producing three thousand data points per second. Obviously the person is especially if they're internet. Connectivity was was flaky as is the case with most edge devices than than the person. Could see a radically. You know, they could be quite hurt before you figure out that they've actually hurt themselves. So that's one concrete example of where and win you'd wanna start performing at the edge. Right. This data preprocessing or data cleaning that you can do on the edge device. I've also heard the example of for example, if you have somebody that's moving around in space and their phone is recording lat longs. And the lat long will indicate where they are in space. But if the machine learning algorithm that you're going to feed that location data into only reads, for example, the restaurant that you're closest to than it might be useful to interpret the the lat long into the closest restaurant in some given Geospace, and you might just have some kind of small subset of GIO locations correlated with restaurants that sit on the device and allow you to very. Quickly transform lat long raw lat long data into restaurant data, and then you can feed it into the M L model have the L model to its own interpretation transformation. And then maybe you you send it up to the cloud or you act on it locally. Yeah. Exactly. That's another good use case. Right. So you often are going to do this preprocessing. Is it also useful to think about the workflow of what you're going to be sending between the edge devices in the cloud is that another application that you might use flow. Go for for, you know, perhaps, you know, once you send this pre processed data through the L model, then you maybe have some other stage in your workflow where you determine am I going to send this to the cloud? Yeah. Exactly. So that brings up a really interesting point. So if you think about how L models are produced typically speaking supervised machine learning models are produced by data scientists data analysts or somebody analyzing the. Data, you know, coming up with general assumptions and then testing out their assumptions and in eventually eventually building some sort of MO model that that can then be can be run. But the point is they've got a set of data that's labeled that they can they can then use to train models against so so there's a couple areas where you'd want to send data from an edge device up to the cloud. So so the first one in this is, you know, let's assume the models already been built in it's already pretty pretty solid. So in this case than what you'd often do is as you'd end up sending the resulting action to the cloud. So so you do the data prep, but at the streaming pipeline within within flow go you'd inference the L model within flow go as well. And then you'd send the potential result or the output of the male model to the cloud. So you're you're not sending in those three thousand data points per millisecond may be vaccinated at up perhaps second and you're only sending one data point every half second. But then the other side of the coin is how do you make the model better? So to to do that, it's essentially an infinite loop where? You constantly collect data you're constantly retraining models and things like that. And in reality with the the current set of tiny edge devices. You're definitely not training models at the edge. So you still need to send that data up to the cloud. So we're working on actually a couple of exciting things and flow, go that that were calling at least at the moment, we've kind of code named it the the metric service that that'll out of band persists as much as possible based on storage on the device. Persistence data and when a win over liable network connection is available. It'll it'll send that up to the cloud to allow the data. Scientists to continue getting that new set of data Menendez deliver updated models may be kickoff champion challenger bake offs on device and things like that. And lead to models execute, and you can kind of compare the results and things like that. There's a lot of things that still need to happen executing. And taking action is is obviously something that's massively important, but that's only one when portion of the equation flow. Go is described as this event driven ecosystem. It's not exactly. A framework describe what the goals of the flow. Go ecosystem are and what the scope of the project is. Yes. So this is this is rather interesting. So we kind of go back in time two years ago or so we sat down and we said, hey, listen. So you've got this. This new emergence of compute. That's coming online. How do you build an process data at the those edge devices? But also had you do it in a cloud native way in how do you build this? You know, this this concept of this framework. So we took a step back, and we came to the realization quite quickly that you cannot simply take an existing tech stack. That's, you know, maybe built in Java or no jazz or something like that and retrofit it to to work on on an edge device or a device with much less compute. So we began building up logo. We picked go laying as the language of choice for a number of reasons you can compile down natively compiled quite quickly. The binary are statically produced or statically compiled meaning. That you've got no no third party dependencies that you need to pull in at Runtime. So you the only thing you really need on these edge devices is an OS which in this case is oftentimes Lennox, and then you've got this tiny binary that runs. So it started out, you know, in in kind of that capacity. Iot was a classic example because you had resource restricted environments, though, cloud native was also something that was, you know, in the front of our mind as we were building out the framework, and then and then time time kind of progressed, and we said, you know, listen, so we've built this framework that is event driven by design. Meaning that you take an event you dispatching event to a worker a worker does something with that event. And and that's it. Right. So we kind of took a step back and say, listen. So an event is fundamentally just something that happens. There can be one of them. There can be millions of them. It's how you process the event that's actually different. So we began exploring the concept of stream processing as as. As it relates to M L model influencing. So we quickly came to the realization that hey, you know, what oftentimes this this? This raw data is actually meaningless on its own. How do you produce a derived value that that's meaningful and allows us to execute predictive models? So we implemented the stream processing action or in other words, the stream processing event processor. And that's how it started expanding into an ecosystem. Because of the way was originally built from the beginning that that it it does process events, we can add in different event processing capabilities amid expose those out to this this ecosystem notion, and then developers have a multitude of ways that they can they can build applications. They can build applications using web based environment or they could use our goal Lang lib and write their own go applications, and they can they can use it in a number of different capacities. So that's how it's kind of expanded overtime hope that make sense. Why has there been an increase in? People developing event driven applications. It's a good question. So I I mean in reality. There's nothing new about event driven applications in general, right? I mean, we've we've always had this notion of an event and how events are produced and consumed has change in the nomenclature perhaps. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. So so it also technologies evolved. So we've moved into things like M, Hugh, t and we've moved into to to consuming using things like kaffa, and the the notion and the simplicity of leveraging those technologies has kind of brought back up the importance of an oven event in less so of the the traditional request reply pipeline that we've been used to for for quite some time. Let's talk about the vocabulary within flow go. So you have triggers actions handlers flows. Explain what a trigger is an example of a trigger. Yeah. So a trigger is that event sink. Or event consumer if you will. So so something like a kaffa consumer or an t t listener, that's the notion of of a trigger. So that's that's the instance, or the the go go routine that that sitting there listening for events to come in on that particular pipeline. That's what a trigger is. And what would be like an example of that? Like, if I'm developing my flow, go application or my flow, go micro service. What would be an example of a trigger? Okay. So in this case, if you're developing an application, you look at it in the sense that okay? So I wanna consume events from some source, so I wanna consume events from kaffa and I wanna consume events from M T. So calf gun 'em, Hugh, q t t or both might triggers. Okay. Those are listening on a certain calf topic not topic things like that waiting for events to come in once the event arrives at the trigger the trigger dispatches that event to a handler and the the whole purpose in life for a hand. Or is essentially to decide who processes that event. Or in other words, what action processes that event? So then a handler will dispatch that event to one or more actions, and then an action processes the event in a capability that's relevant with that particular style of event processing, so if you're processing singular event, and just maybe you're enriching the event and writing it to a data store, that's a flow. Okay. So a flow is a process is essentially a process engine that that includes things like flow control, and branching and conditional logic that allows you to take an event in process at single event. And then continue processing events says as they come in. If you wanted to do something like a stream processing than than you'd pass it to a stream action in the stream action has this notion of stateful nece that that persist over a period of time. And maybe you're aggregating something over a period of of time and things like that. You've also got the notion of of an internal channel. So the all of these individual event processing capabilities or actions can pass data from one point to another. So maybe you initially have trigger handler dispatches to a stream pipeline stream pipeline aggravates over a period of maybe fifty or whatever fifty second window does some other aggregation doesn't filtering and then passes processing over to a flow, which is said is a process engine, and that allows us to do things like check conditional logic right things to a database. Maybe we enrich the data. And then we maybe we publish that back out to another capital. Open shift is a Cooper Netease platform from red hat open shift takes the coober Netease container orchestration system and adds features. That let you build software. More quickly open shift includes service discovery CIC de built in monitoring and health management and scale ability with open shift you can avoid being locked into any of the particular large cloud providers. 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It was meant as a lower level infrastructure piece to build platforms as a service on top of which is why open shift came into manifestation. So you could check it out by going to software engineering daily dot com slash. Red hat and find out about open shift. Let's say I'm using flow. Go to handle a video stream that sitting on a security camera, a very smart security camera and the smart security camera is on like shipping container intake place. So like, let's say this is a during the day. It's very active. There's lots of people moving around and they're entering and exiting this building near this security camera. But there's also some birds that are landing there. And then during the night, there should not be anybody wandering around. There's a bunch of floodlights, you know, so it's a well lit area, but for bird flies through in the middle of the night. You know, you don't want to set off the, you know, you don't want to send an alert to a security guard. But if a person like some sort of shipping container bandit is running through the shipping container yard, you do want to be able to process that a person just ran through the yard. And and you know, you've got all kinds of machine learning models for detect. Getting these kinds of entities. Would this be a good use case example for us to sort of give an example for how triggers and actions and handlers and flows might be written for this kind of device? Yeah. Exactly. I mean in in this case, the cameras almost is similar in the sense to that accelerate meter example that I had used before. So in this case did have the the binary stream of video streaming over to a flow trigger the trigger within DC realized the stream converted into pictures. Maybe you're you're you're you're skipping. You know certain times if it's thirty thirty frame per second camera you obviously don't need. Probably maybe I don't know. But you don't need to look at all, you know, thirty thirty frames per second. So maybe you only do one frame a second or something like that. And then you pass it over to a flow, which then which could then pass that that image, the binary image representation over to a something like a tensor flow CNN model that could then output, the the classification of the model, whereas, you know, maybe it's. It's all good or hey, there's there's some abnormal movement in the resulting output of that that inference could then flow within, you know, send a message SMS or some other paradigm to another system to alert security would they output of the model go through an action or through a handler or to own flow. Would you define an additional flow for the output of the model who in this case, the it would be within the same the same float? So the model is executed as what we call an activity and activity is essentially the unit of work that's performed so execute M L model or inference tensor flow model so the output it that would be published on to the same flow the flow process or the flow scope that that's currently being executed. So it'd be part of the same flow. So the way that many people are writing this kind of code today is not within a well-defined framework or not within a well-defined ecosystem, you know. Maybe they're just writing. Random no J 's services that are sitting on this security camera. And eventually the the service is going to ping the tensor flow model that sitting on the camera as well. And then just makes a network call. What's the advantage of having this framework or ecosystem of well defined vocabulary and well formed vocabulary of defining these flows? Yes, let the leeann jump in as well. But quickly. So if you if you take a step back and look at look at this. So when when a developer is I mean, developers will want to build applications in this language or using the framework or live or whatever that they're they're most comfortable with. So what we've tried to do. With flow is his capture the notion of event event driven processing using the standardized terminology and constructs and things like that. As we said, so I could build an application for an edge device. I can build an application for server list function or for for containerized deployment. And I could do that using flow go, and my I don't have to change the tech that I'm using it. It's all baked into the the co system and framework, but I can also leverage. There's over four hundred different community contributions that exists today. So I can leverage those community contributions and get a head start as to how I wanna maybe process events and things like that. If you take tends to flow influencing as a as a solid example there there's been a fair bit of work. That's been put into the influencing capabilities within flow go, which is is definitely not a complicated thing. But not an easy thing. Either. Right. I mean, it's not something that a developer would necessarily want to do from the ground up every time or build their own and no J s or or something like that. So they get a leverage a lot of the capabilities of the entire ecosystem to fundamentally get their work done quicker. But we also provide the go API. So if you do like to code, and you don't want to do some graphical representation of your your application logic than you get absolutely us the goalie and then right, still, right? Your own code. And then just bring in the libs that are relevant to you. I would almost echo what you said. Then in fact, I was I was talking to a group of developers today. Just now actually before before this this recording. And we were walking through building some some beckoned API's that that ultimately had to have to be deployed as containers onto their their container platform, and they were very surprised about how fast they were able to do everything using using flow go as opposed to what you're doing at through through note j s and then one of the amazing benefits that that day saw within like five minutes is that you can you can build your app, you can design everything through that that web UI that that Matt was just talking about and then tested locally or through that web UI running on, for example, the windows machine and then without changing any code just deployment into a container and take that container rounded in obviously I test and then accepted says you know, that kind of good stuff, but. Ultimately taking that that binary without changing any code and just running it as a container on on the large platform. So for them, the added bonus of of being able to to take and design the application graphically being able to take that meta data that describes it put it into a version control system in autumn, it the have a clear defined CIC pipeline that then builds and tests, and ultimately creates the Docker container Fordham to what to deploy for that. That was the amazing benefit. They got from looking at logo right there. You mentioned the web UI that you can use to visualize these flows the year developing so you can have a visualization a web UI for actually understanding the security camera example, I could imagine that getting very complicated very quickly. You've got this raw video stream feed. And then it does this stuff during the day. It does this stuff during the night. And here's what it does. If it sees a bird. Here's what it does. If it sees a human. That could get very complicated and having a a web UI and a visualization. You do have these nice little visualizations. It's kind of like UM L diagrams that lets you understand what's going on rather than having to dive into the code and look through switch statements. And if statements, and I can imagine that would be pretty useful. True. I mean, I think if you look at what people tend to use most it's essentially starting with with with the wep, you I simply because it gives them a graphical way of representing their rather there flows in obviously that helps them as as you said as well, a visualizing whatever it is that they're building. Whether it's a small micro services that they altered the end up to point to things like like AWS Lambda or in the the example that that that you sit where to take a stream of videos run a bunch of machine learning algorithms on that and take a decision. What to do? It's an easy way of grasping. What it is that your flow was doing. The other thing too that these the I of seeing talking talking to developers is that a lot of people actually enjoy writing code. And I think that that in today's world if you can if you can write proper code that. That's actually a great thing to be able to do the thing. I absolutely love about flow. Go in that context is as Matt was talking about the the amazing set of contributions to the flow community has build. I can actually take those those contributions used them in my in this case Golan code so dad, I don't have to think about creating a database connection. No writing to file or, you know, even influencing a machine learning model because that is not something I I ride on a day to day basis, but I can very easily take that flow go activity in used in the exact same way at someone would you from from within that what this ecosystem is focused around. Go Lang what are the advantages of using go Lang for the event driven application development? Good question. So go is obviously a pretty performing languages efficient. It's also a fishing from a footprint perspective. So so number one you've got the snow tion of when you build an application. You've got a statically compiled binary. So you have no additional third party libs that you needed to play on your OS. You don't need to deploy an additional framework or or something like that. You don't need the JR e or j s installed. So there's literally nothing else other than your binary and the operating system. So that in itself is massively attractive. Also, the goal language itself is becoming very very popular the notions or the the preconceived notions. That I think the go community has is something that might frustrate a lot of Opie devs, but at the same time as simple to consume in read. So if you're also reading the code and wanting to contribute to the project overall, it also becomes something that is quite honestly, very very nice to to consume and understand as well. I mean, they've got notions. Like if you have. To if if somebody can't understand your code within the first few minutes than you've you've probably overcomplicated for no absolute reason. So you should look at simplifying and streamlining and things like that. And I think that's one of the the notions and the concepts that I really enjoy about go flow. Go is as I understand a single node stream processing system. So if there's people who are out there, and we're thinking, okay, this is yet another stream processing thing, we've got spark. We've got Flink we've got caucus streams how many of these things. I'm I going to have to learn logo is a little bit different. Because it's not like your architecture, a distributed system of stream processing is that accurate. Yes. That's a good way to put it. I haven't really thought about it from that perspective. But yeah. So essentially, it's definitely not, you know, it's not as not spark. You're not trying to do some massively distributed. You know, batch based stream processing you in in this context flow go, or at least the way we built it was was specifically designed to consume from. A couple of vent sources and then aggregate short lived agregation 's over a period of time in and use that to pre process real time data not data that's sitting in a data store or anything like that. It's it's purpose built to process real time data that's being produced. And then oftentimes they said earlier the stream is almost doing data preprocessing for something more. Maybe you're you just wanna pre process the data and prep it to to ride it to some some reference data store or maybe you wanna pre process at for for M L influencing. So again, it's at real time aspect that that that slightly different for something from something like, click spark. Yeah, I mean, which is useful like having a framework for doing processing on on a single node and having a well-defined way to do that you don't necessarily need to have everything be distributed across fifty nodes and ingesting gigantic multi node pipelines, like a cough ca cluster. So in addition to stream processing or. Or doing this kind of security camera example, you can also right micro services. I guess or are these micro services specifically to do with stream processing, and and how would that differ from people just writing Micra services in go Lang or no J s you has those. So that's a good question. So did the notion again around plug was at its event driven. It's an event driven ecosystem. It's not just for stream processing stream processing is just one of many ways that you can process events. But if you wanna process singular events in deploy this in the context of a micro services, and that's also something that's absolutely doable. So use the action implementation, which is the flow action implementation to laud will your execution graph. If you will so laudable, how how your your application or your flow will will process data? So an event comes in off of a arrest, you know, arrest trigger or a calf trigger or whatever. Right. Maybe you enhance the data you quarry data from another data source. You enrich. Chit than you right into a database, and you do some other logic. And and then you return a result back to the caller. That's how you kind of start implementing your your micro service. And then again, we have that go API. So that you could leverage those four hundred contributions that exist in the get hub community to code your your API code, your, Microsoft, just just using go. We've got this other concept of so we've talked about the triggers already, but one of the unique benefits that we haven't yet touched on is that you could actually have multiple triggers bound to a single action. So if this case if we use the action as the flow, you can have multiple triggers bound to a single flow. Okay. And the flow itself is almost treated like a function. So we like to say it's kind of like a function as a flow if you will. So the flow has input parameters and the flow has output parameters. So when the the event source or when the data comes in off of one of these events orces, the trigger or the handler, actually maps the trigger. Data to your flow. And then you're flow operates against a predefined schema or predefined objects set, so the logic in your flow doesn't actually have to change even though you're consuming data from multiple different triggers. So in this case, it's allows you to really build a robust and kind of flexible, Microsoft, MRs in the sense that you can consume data from multiple different sources without changing any of your your app logic. If there are people listening right now, and they're still trying to figure out whether flow go fits some application. Use case that they have can you help them think through this who should be using flow. Go. Yes. So that's this offend has to question. So I think there are a number of different personas that should be looking at flow go, so so I four most of the most generic sense say anybody that wants to build event driven applications should look at flow go, so how do you wanna process he's events? Are you processing singular events are you processing stream of events or maybe. One of the other actions that we haven't talked about its flow go rules, which is a at the moment. It's it's really implementation of a rules that that rule network that that can perform execution of rules, against fact known fact, so it is stateful in the sense that historical facts can be persisted in in memory. And then you can execute rules against incoming events and then join them against those historical facts. So I'd say generically if you wanna look at if you want to get into event processing you want to consume. You're not quite sure I'm going to consume from casket today. But that could change later, but I don't want to change it or redo a bunch of application logic. Definitely look at flow go if you want something that's lightweight inefficient. Absolutely. Look if logos. So if event driven is something of interest to you, you need something that's lightweight efficient in you need something that has machine learning constructs built as native first class citizens within the the overarching ecosystem framework than absolutely look at flow. Go there as well. What are some other example, applications that you have used? Logo for this one? I will kick over to Leon. He's built amend and help people build quite a few different apps from slack integration. To a bunch of other stuff Leon to cure. So I'm actually starting off with decided to Craciun simply because that seemed very popular nowadays accident the group I was talking to earlier today. It was one of the things that they wanted to build simply because it's it's an easy way to watch extend slack with with even more capabilities than than you already have. And as mattress talking about the event driven paradigm. And in this case, it would be, you know, sending a slack command or Justice slack listening in to everything that is going on in particular channel some of the other applications that I've helped build is install so very simply people automating their their day today. Jobs, whether it is grabbing data from a bunch of places, and then presenting it in a way that they can either sent to their manager or no sense Senate, Email or something probably. The most interesting thing that that that at least I have heard about person just building a home automation. What he did is he he took project flow. Go put it onto a smart doorbell. And basically, that's his doorbell will decide whether or not to to open the door based on the person standing in front of in in front of that doorbell. So basically, the use case there is that you you ring, the bell the doorbell sees who you are a sorta takes a snapshot if you will then compare that to everyone it shook Lenin, and if it matches it literally opens the door for you. So that to me was an amazing use ks s as that guy was talking about it. We are running an experiment to find out. If suffer engine daily listeners are above average engineers at triple by dot com slash S E daily, you can take a quiz to help us. Gather data I took the quiz, and it covered a wide range of topics general programming ability little security a little system design. It was a nice short test to measure, how my practical engineering skills have changed since I started this podcast. 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E daily that's T R I P L E B Y T E dot com slash s daily triple bite bite as in eight bits. Thanks to triple bike for being a sponsor of software. Engineering daily. We appreciate it. Talk more about other services and tools in the ecosystem that people might be using flow go with so for example, I think of things like AWS Lambda, or perhaps any number of these you know, is for machine learning like image recognition or object, classification or audio transcription. How do you see flow? Go fitting into that increasing server 'less application ecosystems, but funny that that you ask about about to release. So we were actually the at least the first application integration vendor that launched a native Lambda support for flow, go. So remember that notion a bit bit earlier where I said that the flow go flow, we can is essentially a function. So essentially, what would happen is you can you can leverage this notion of a Lambda trigger the Lambda trigger when. You Bill droplets nation, you essentially every flow that has a Lambda trigger gets produced as as its own function that can then run on on AWS Lambda. So we've even seen people use the Lambda trigger to write flow applications at actually serve up a Alexa, actions and things like that. So they've found it to their their echo. And then and then you can ask, you know, the to do certain things, and then it ends up hitting a flow. Go flow that's running in Lambda as a function who any of the logic, though, keep my not all of the event driven capabilities make fences Lambda functions so flows clearly do because they're kind of kind of this this singular event processing process engine if you will. But but say, you know, a contextual rules engine doesn't really make all that much sense as the Lambda function because hey, you know, once the function stops. He you must you have to assume that you're any state that you are persisting is now gone. So we definitely have things for for Landau girl. So looking at as your function support as well as Google cloud. Function support as well. So so server list is something that we truly believe as as being a being something that is quite important for for developers in the developers end and ops ops guys in the future. So were really supporting that. And then also the event driven notion of server service fits fits, very well within an are event driven pattern also flow. Go came out of Tipco where you guys work. Why is this being built at Tipco? What were the customer problems or the just ecosystem changes that you were seeing that led you to building flow go, so yeah, that is fantastic question a couple of things. So obviously, we decided that we needed to evaluate how proper cloud native and edged compute devices would function in the future and how we build technologies that support deployment paradigm and devices. So that that was one angle, and we also firmly believe that open source is the right solution. So if you take. Step back. I mean, we fundamentally believe open sources kind of the tip of the spear from an innovation perspective innovational happen in the community, it'll happen openly and will mature the product as a community not so much as a singular company. So that that's also a pretty big shift from from our historical strategy, which is something that I'm quite proud of men and really proud to be part of it's exciting. So yeah, it's it's like, you you kinda I guess the underlying point to your question was this fascinating. That is coming at a typical. But it's a new Tipco where you know, open. Sources the the tip of the spear. I remember talking to a friend of mine who spent five or ten years working in the quote IOT industry. And this was I think he he worked in it kind of early two thousands, maybe two thousand to two thousand ten around then or two thousand fifteen roughly and IOT is something that you know, it's been around the corner. For ten or fifteen years. But here, I think we're actually seeing it happen. It is coming to fruition. And we're seeing that I think you know, you see that in the rebranding of IOT to edge computing. It's almost like a more palatable reframing of it. Because the word IOT has such a blemish around. It. Do you think I o TS is finally happening? So I think it's happening. It's gonna continue to happen. I think the quote unquote, IOT segment is is massively fragmented massively confusing in the sense that you know, it's not a singular internet of things in that that form. So I do agree with you that, you know, rebranding counted to edge compute the helps clean that up a little bit. But also also changes the notion a little bit, right? So it's it's about moving compute to the edge. Not just having a network of things, but it's about doing things at the edge. So I think that's where a lot of the new notions are starting to to come up. It's what processing what? Logic. Can I move to the edge and then in fundamentally reduce my cloud ingress costs? Right. I mean, if you if you stick everything in the cloud, and that's the central point for everything, then this this network, this network of things the IOT in the IOT Rome has to communicate with the cloud for everything. I mean, that's massively expensive massively difficult in the sense of many of these devices that are sitting in remote locations that have poor to no network connectivity. So so I think the shift is the the reason why the rebranding to edge computers, not just to clean up the notion of IOT. But to also imply that things are actually happening at the edge. It's not just producing data. Not in a sense has been around for as you said for for really longtime, and quite honestly that was kind of what what spawned the big data era. If you really think about it. I mean, all these things at the edge producing data caused the data volumes to balloon and eventually became out of control. And then that's where. Had spark which produce things like, you know, massive distribution cluster. Distributing data processing and things like that. Now, we're we're shifting to the realm of that's actually do something at the edge. Just make the edge actionable and make the edge itself sparked. I'm always curious about the business strategy around software engineering, heavy companies and tiptoes and interesting one because you're very successful company. You're not exactly major cloud provider. You're not one of the AWS, Azure. Google cloud companies. You're also not a startup and have had lots of conversations with startups about how they are competing with the major cloud providers. And it's always interesting because the major cloud providers have such an advantage in terms of sales channel because they've got all these established customers, but on the other hand they have so much surface area that they need to cover and it's really hard for them to actually figure out. What is there? Their core competency other than I mean, they have a lot of core, competency, they have so much surface area to cover. So where do you find the business opportunities? And where where do you see as the best business opportunities for Tipco as you move into the future? Yeah. No. That's a fantastic question. And this is this is clearly, you know, part of pinions all kind of pre face it with that. But if you really historically look at Tipco Tipco has fundamentally been that company behind the scenes that make sure the major players in the industry are able to deliver on their promises. So you know, we connect in operate against the data and the systems to make sure I I don't know your kid has their Christmas presents under the Christmas tree on Christmas day, man, that's powered by our technologies. So we've traditionally built technology that powers the world, you know, major players. So we're not necessarily interested in competing with cloud vendors like AWS, we wanna work together with AWS because they provide something immensely valuable to the table in. In we provide something that they don't which is the technology that enables the enables all of these other major players to facilitate their promises as as I did to earlier Leon anything you wanna add. I mean, if you if you look at what Madison saying I fundamentally agree with him. I mean, I don't think we want to compete with with the likes of for example, AWS with with whom we have an amazing partnership. And if you look at the innovation that that's coming from from joined companies, if you will it's it's much more than any of those two companies would have been able to do below. So rather than competing with it? I would say that the offerings that both of us have were definitely complement one another. Yeah, I'd agree with that. I mean, there is so much to be done in helping out insurance companies telcos banks these companies that are making their way towards being software companies towards being AI. Companies these companies with the tremendous data advantage that need a whole lot of help in terms of revamping, their technology and and building software company like processes that. It's it's much more. I see it at least much more as a positive some, you know, opportunity for partnerships rather than this zero sum competition for deals. 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NCAA Tournament First Weekend Recap Edition

Courtside with Seth Greenberg

31:43 min | 3 weeks ago

NCAA Tournament First Weekend Recap Edition

"The real you can find on his head right after the guy says food courtside with greenberg and dockage. The definitive college basketball podcast. World's greatest podcast courtside with greenberg adopt. I'm dan dockings. Here's the deal. We're recording to podcasts. This week today we're going to recap the first weekend tournament accident. We're going to go through all the regions and then tomorrow we're going to record another episode looking ahead to the sweet sixteen and the alita step where you wanna go. First d squared. Let's go to the west region just in general not moving ahead. We're going to look back big surprise in the west region. I look here's the deal. I don't know iowa was ever any good defensively. Good enough very good team okay. That's bad things. I said that wrong very good team. I don't know if they were ever locked down. Good enough defensively had moments but you know the truth of the matter is when i watched gonzaga. You're and i see. I see the most efficient team in the country. I see. it didn't matter whether i was good enough. It doesn't matter how good oregon is. I don't think anybody speaking zag. But i do think said i don't know how you feel about it but when i watched i want against oregon. I want slow against fast. I watched athletic against plotting. I watched free and easy against stock. I watched guys that frankly on that particular night. We're just better basketball players. That's what i saw. I agree with you. I when i watched iowa all season long. We wanted to like iowa. Let's face it we wanted. We wanted to like that. He came back to school. We wanted to like us. They're so good offensively. I had jewish camp on my team in italy and he was. He was just a wonderful kid. So i was kind of invested in them franny even when he goes to fran four or five down deep. We know he's he's a good guy to cares Oregon is a team. That makes you react to them. Oregon's team with will richardson. Who had injuries early in the season. people don't realize was twelve and three with him. Argus team position lists offensively defensively. Orange team makes you react to them so you know. I thought that was interesting. I do think to creighton zag. We're not gonna get into that till later in the week but i creighton was interesting coming off a really bad performance in the big east tournament. i like this team. I like creighton team. Because i think there are a little tougher than people. Think zakharov skis healthy. Which is important. I wa. I love the flow that they play with Which is interesting. Obviously gotta break with virginia going through what they went through but still their style of play early in the season. We said it all along you know they have floor gamers and shotmakers makers over two floors egger ascii a terrific terrific leader i think mahoney and jefferson are are hard tough grinded out guys but i grew the on jag right now and i want to see gonzaga with athletic big big. That can defend timmy. That's quick enough to move his feet. That'll be interesting. Moving forward by that can talk one second about crate. You know. I want to give great players. A ton of credit i mean. Let's let's discuss this just for a quick second. You have the whole thing with greg derm. Right what whatever you think should happen should great good for you but they lived in every day. Now they come out and i mean get housed by georgetown. I mean house well. Guess what there's still here and that's a testament to the players tested a coaching staff. There's a lot of different ways. Teams are in the sweet sixteen. Right are a lot of different ways. All roberts playing great but crayton's way to me speaks to one of them speech there. Don't get me wrong. i'm not. I'm not trying to. Their path was so unique. And i applaud those guys man. They look into. The folded up shop listened to the noise. But you know what they did. I think maybe i'm wrong. I feel like they. They gathered together. Like you know got internal. I'm all in on that. That's you can talk about college and who should be paid. Who should be paid. But there are some real lessons in this world that you get from playing collegiate sports and that's one of them that i saw that crate. Now i agree with you. I think you're right. They could absolutely folded the ten. Obviously the you know what greg dermott said was agreed. Gis and unacceptable. But you could see. Those kids won't believe in him and understand that's not who he is not what he represents 'cause they wouldn't be planned for him the way they're playing for them right now. Just wait is those parents wouldn't allow them to be playing for them if they really thought that was the essay was he made a mistake. Used poor choice of words. There's no doubt about it. It's regis and unacceptable. But you obviously know the inside. The heart of greg retirement. You know those kids in plead those words reflected who he is now. I'm gonna go one other team. Usc i don't think we give enough respect for a really good defensively isaiah. He laces that thing up like he can jump up and knock it down almost as it is an interesting Mba prospect as his brother has. But you know what i look at them. They are committed. Defensively they they protect the ram. They run you off the three. They're good enough offensively not great. They're good enough. Offensively at the guard position. Peterson is a skilled Hybrid wing player. That can consolidate of problems. I'm not sure we gave. Usc all season long as long including the pac twelve all season long enough credit. They're good basketball team. They play hard. They defend their athletic And i to meet my takeaway was with from that bracket was they were under appreciated. So you understand because you did it. Beating kansas i. I don't because we could never be. We'd been kansas one time. When roy was there we were would like to so. When you be kansas by thirty four and a game is never gonna come back. Once at run hit in the first half. That game was never ever coming back. If i were going to receive the tournament right now. I'm not so sure based on performance. Okay i'm not so sure that i don't have a usc right underneath Right underneath can zag. I was at the michigan game. Last night michigan mike smith struggling it. Not as quick. As i thought it. I i i would put. Usc michigan right now. The problem is usc guy go through gonzaga. And that's let's get to the east like i. May i thought. Lsu at the game we were taxed a little bit back forth else who's got dudes they just got to. I mean they got guys that could make plays very few teams have guys that can make plays like the lsu. I mean they're smart the place. He made the match up nightmare of waterford Camp thomas is to create separation. That was a good win for michigan. I thought it was really good. Move and this is something people don't realize you bring charlie brown off the brett batch. Why because now you really only changing team in one position you only changing team starting spot so you can start. Whomever you want. Davis you can start jobs you can start whoever you want but now you still have that same guy coming off the bench that brings energy. That can store the puts pressure on the defense. That was a really really underappreciated. Under observed move by drawn howard because you can eat commonsense and say i will just could push on being starting spot and no. He didn't do that because he didn't want to change his team in two places and i thought that was a really good move I do think they got some issues ahead of them. I think cooper visa will be a problem for dickinson. They'll be matchups but let's let's get past that so we're good there the bottom of the bracket. Ucla passing catching shotmaking making skill. Really interesting to me. They played against of really hard team to play against in abilene christian. Really hard team to play against and all they did was played with good spacing. Make the extra. Pass the ball and right guys hands. That is coach. They didn't end up the ball in wrong guy's hands. Who could not make a play. So i was really impressed with them. And i was really plus with alabama just. They imposed their identity on the game. Was your take well ucla. I i'm very back up. One second. i've never seen a team set so overmatched in every position league abilene christian was against taxes. And win the game. Like i've seen teams overmatched and get beat. Ucla hymie hawk. Kes- has been unbelievable. John jay zang has been a believer and shout out. My wife coats a hymie hawk cazes aunt carmen simpson and they are wonderful. People and i'm so happy for all of those people because frankly That whole family is rate folk and hymies plan fantastic. Let me back up. Alabama to meet alabama to me is the most dangerous team not named usc. In the turtle. I thought maryland was playing pretty good nightclub. Maryland was on all right. I was watching the michigan game. We had the alabama game on television. I looked all of a sudden. Boom boom boom boom boom down seven. And is you know the. Nc double a. tournament. Where everybody tightens up. Maybe just a little bit. Alabama doesn't look like to me that they're going to tighten up. I think mixed on a great job with ucla. I a great job and you know talking to michael lewis assistant coach at. Ucla played at indiana assistant coach. Ucla and he's like look we talk about it all the time. We gotta get back to the standard of what. Ucla is we got and they talk about it and they want to do that. And i think that. I think the way they played has been prideful has been tough incredibly well coached and you don't watch south lot of skill on team to. Let's get him at every coach. I agree with that idea. Campbell's better than i thought by the way tiger campbell. He plays good pace. He makes enough shots. He's got a middle game He's impressive. I've john juicing and all the people i want to get this out there all the people all calendar in idiot not play guy. There's a big difference between freshman year and sophomore year. What johnny juzeng went through his freshman year kentucky enabled them to do his sophomore year and ucla and ucla should be happy. Because john calipari littler wrote the letter to make sure that that can be eligible immediately but the lessons he learned of competing and working and being committed all those things paid dividends for him At ucla and for mic. And i agree with you about i'm hawk. He is. He is a tough tough duty. And cody riley just does what he's supposed to do. I mean let's face it. They have dudes the plate of their strengths. Before we move onto things. I want to mention. I check checkout america's caddy on espn plus hosted. By michael collins joined the quick witted longtime catty comedian and espn gulf analysts. As the interviews. The biggest stars in the game. America's caddy is part travelogue. Part golf history lesson park celebrity. Hang out and full of laughs streaming now on. Espn plus and check out. Espn's newest podcast daily. Wait daily wage. Is the podcast for all your information on. Tonight's games and biggest place listener daily wager every weekday afternoon wherever you get your podcast last thing on his bracket florida state. The fighting hams mashal chance. I you know. Great matchup with michigan because michigan doesn't turn you over changing defenses people who had a cat gimmick game up a little bit. We think about the games. If florida state's loss loss teams of defensive. Multiple defenses may turned it over bunch. Michigan does not turn you over so all of a sudden now. Everyone talks about versatile position. Louis offensively states positions defensively their position. Steve and they can go across the board. Defend you in that position list. Defensively that will be a big time game. I'm all in on the fighting leonard. Hamilton's well you. And i have coached teams. That have been both of these one. We've coached teams. That have a calmness and maturity and togetherness and they beat teams. That were better than them. Physically repulsive coast teams at work. What i watched florida state. I watch a calm knowing. We're really good team than obviously. Has you know enough guys. Take that out. And i think this michigan game because i think michigan's a lot like that. I wish michigan have levels. I gosh darn i would i do. And he's such a great kid by florida's state to me is as good as anybody. This game is going to be one of the great games of the tournament but we can move into the mid west regional and we can say the same thing like let me ask you. I keep sending texts obey high. And it goes buddy. Behind julius erving pete merits in that order. Because a buddy behind. I think his shot making thing about this. I think his shot making his carried over to the other guys. All right. everybody's everybody's doing south everybody and they find him too but when they have to like. I said i sent jim a message. He just returned with one word. Unbelievable like buddy behind first of all. He's a very good player. I mean watch them off the ball as you always talk about small watch them. Wait for screen. Watches footwork coming off. Screens watches willing to read the defense watch. How bumps one bakery curls watches. You shot fake when he feels pressure and people close out where he's thrown it on and when the dude shoots it like every time whether it's kyle korver show whomever you wanna compare to every time he shoots it. You think it's going in defensively. They've gotten better. They're much more active They're getting more deflections two forwards who are recovering back better. Now we'll talk about later in the wake but houston's and interesting team because there's such a good offensive rebound team but they're used to having being out rebounded but you look at an al griffey's hasn't even had a good tournament acquits security. That dude is real. But then you look throughout this bracken franken. I mentioned one kid real quick. Yeah dole gye and had everything was army knife. Yes i mean he said i don't understand why he he can't get exposed more in the zone and then i realized he knows how to play in the middle of that zone. Better than you know how to play offense in the middle of that zone. He'll wind he'll back off. He'll dot seth that dude i love. Let's move to the next. Yeah i in the middle zone. People depending on who catches it in the middle that determines how syracuse who play. I like i said from west virginia. They weren't playing him all right. Now you put a playmaker. He might play him. But then you gotta be big enough to be able to jump up and shoot over that guy. So that's great the other thing about that bracket just two general loyals chicago. The fighting sister jeans clinical own. The tempo of defensively don't turnover good. Don't give second shots. What they did offensively in terms of using crowd as a passer your guy who represents chicago. I was surprised at brad. Didn't try to pressure him. Then i thought through it a little bit more. And i said wait a second. If he tried to press to passer coburn was going to last about four place because he was going to get him in foul trouble he was going to go boop boop boop the idea of taking. The ball is hands terrific. This is not a cinderella story. This is just a really really really really good team your thoughts. I one of the away from this time to takeaways from tournament. So far one is defense. Wins games. i was at that game. I was at the illinois game and i'm sitting there going my way. Second okay he. Maybe you don't want pressure but at some point you gotta do sub with crop gets topic and you can't just let him stand there. Pick you up you know. And it didn't work to me loyal. The story was what loyola did with december. I assume got so frustrated. That crowley took it away from him at the towards the end again just reached in does right they try. They jumped him. They switched everything. Seth i'm telling you the defensive setup and the defensive players let's let we can talk to. You could guard boy. What a look that whole team. Seth they stay in front of you and your people can see this on video but while there rear end this now and their fear spread their hands are into they are they are making you back up as dribbler and south when you talk about cabello. The sumo frazier. You're talking about three on one team. Now you're talking about three of the best. Quickest ball handlers. Couldn't get by itself. And i gotta tell you grace but williamson guys down in a stance and bandit rather hundred hundred and you know what brandon dude is. He is a tough dude. Art the last team in that bracket low oregon state's nonetheless by the way so people understand. They came into tournament fairly hot won. A conference tournament experienced backcourt veteran guys. Jerry lucas big time shooter out the even thompson but you look at what they've done and how they've done it now. I in their less like six five or six games. They're shooting like forty five for three and hold people to twenty four percent from three point line. they've got legit size on that team. And i love it because let's face it. They went from which. I think solares wayne takle on a hot seat to that. Do you just hold up oregon state. He's just mop. He's just saying i want this many years. I want this bhai out. This is the way it's going to be these square. All right this out a little a little closer to being chalky i would say what is your take on oral roberts. The great tom more legendary football assistant coach who many people feel should be. The football hall of fame said very famously. Late games players not plays. And when i look at all roberts years when i see i see two guys back. One time against ohio. State Atmos and open are scored fifty nine points combined against ohio state. They backed it up with fifty five points against florida. I see players not plays. I see a very well coached team. I see a team of discipline. But i see a team that understands you. It's stars are and those guys have gone out and make play after play after play after play. And frankly i see a very dangerous team and roberts played a good team. Really good team in the must bus. Arkansas terrific terrific story. great rejuvenation. Justin smith is fantastic. I think as a leader fifth year guy. But i love a look oral roberts. I'm gonna win. But i know there's players not play shines through because i got two guys that are going to get it done yeah. I've really liked this team. I think they're they're disruptive enough and offensively the crepe matchup problems is basically those two guys can play with anyone and they do a good job of getting the ball places where they could attack over a banner. You can invert a little bit. Pull him away. Which is interesting. I do think that it's good. Match up could arts swing. Yes but i liked the match. I think arkansas is good enough. I think they have a good match up with smith on banner which i think is a king. I'm not sure you'll let let's face it. I mean in in the game The other day a little bit mismanaged at the end of the game for florida. Will you that. Yeah i mean like players to pick up eleven points. Go a little bit smaller at another ball. Handler may be able to switch. Maybe a having a non free throw shooter on the court. That point where they actually gave the found only talked. About how a roberts actually gave foul all right to get possession back on the bad for sure. That was mentioned. I mean brilliant. Great coaching move stole possession. Basically you're stealing possession getting back. The must bus interesting me. Moody's dynamic but jd not and take and spent and they davis they come at you with waves and they have a they do have a great battle and it comes from the must myself. He's my guy chuckling on scores. Luke must acknowledge the other coach. I then jump on scores day. But i've gotta straighten him out. I mean it was. It was a great video piece but come on bus at least acknowledged the guy. Just be a nine and elbow a fist-bump and it doesn't have to be a folk grow. We can't do that now in the covert environment. But at least like look down at the guy. Go ahead of the game. But anyway as i move on as i digress. One thing quickly jalen tate. I'm a big fan. Jay even take northern kentucky. He can he can base gets about ten eleven points a game. He can do about everything you want and you know what i watched them. He's a winner. He's tough and justin smith. Look whatever justice smith for whatever the reason one out of indiana and you put justin smith on indiana. Yeah there's no question. You talking about an eight rebounds. Seven rebound guy. Dogs runs I think justin smith as a fifth year guy. I think tate as as a transfer. I think those two guys are the perfect guys to put a team in the position. That arkansas and i don't say this after the fact. I think we've been on the bus blast. You certainly have all you lock. But anyway we talk about transfers the sometimes a perfect spot perp guy. Those guys perfect spot per guys up for the most bus and you know what i mean on the other side of that bracket now you've got some transfer still you've got baylor. Obviously you know. We're flagler basuki. That i think and i think everyone overreact. All ballard ballerinas not the same obama. Darn old allardice and all that. They came out of paws right. They didn't play well against our state. They won. They lost the game. The big twelve. Oh by the way big twelve. You're gonna lose a game. That's this isn't a west coast conference. You can lose a game it takes. I'm settle in that change. Didn't tell you why because they can to the basket. They can flat guard the basketball. They won on one day could dominate. The ball all right. they've got more shot maples. Bombay matt meyer. Or as i call matt ellis was my man. We'll find solace on him from day one so he's he's basically about that. He's matteo's the dudes complain the nba they got nba four games shop makers all over the floor by the way maybe a mitchell he's he he's an absolute nut. I don't think no matches up well against this team without countless be I just think it's it's it's not a good match up for them. I think what jays been able to do is incredible. I think it's culture and attitude driven I think they've found ways to kind of piece together But i i. I see a long night for for villanova. What's your take. Oh that's hard to argue. I think what. Jay writes spring watching him the other day man. Oh man pass up a good shot to get a great shot. It's never been more evident than in these last couple of games. That's just what they're doing doing. What j. right watson to do an in the in the two games that they played at at three best players on court and they don't have the three best players on the court in this game. This game is a tough. the stadium is a man's. This game is something that i if you give me an congo. Sp might take bill. Nobody but right. Now i'm with you. I did have a little bit down to baylor after a little guy. Okay maybe not but now a going into the final four. I think they're very good. I think that baylor let me go back into something. I believed regardless of gillespie. They had three best players. Don't over i believe a robinson hurled seattle have it and i said earlier players not place and this is going to be player score baylor better than the players at villanova. Both cultures are great. I just think the better players right now in list reclosing up here. So here's my question because dismissed the perfect segue. They say the business. Now that i know the business. Just i heard someone say that. It sounds very good. I know talking about keller will probably say he's acting like an idiot again. That's also. that's the big cat is different. It's better scattered better plato. That but here's the thing you said players not planes. This is a tournament sucks. Moody. maybe mobely Very few guys of sudden young. Who i gotta watch him. This is a final four now. That's developing that is about a mitchell than butler. But they're not megastars. This is a final four different than college football playoffs. Which it's open to the loyals in abilene christian roberts. This is a final four. how it's emerged. That's really about the front of the jersey because it has nothing to do with the blue bloods has nothing to do with the tradition. It has very little to do about one in guys. It has to do with teams. Is that good or bad for college. Basketball bad for cbs. Probably but is that good or bad for college basketball tournament. Absolutely great for college basketball college basketball. Is we all made college basketball into wanted. Cut green room guys whatever. Nba holiday project. We did that but guys are as we grew up on the front of the jurors. We didn't watch ucla every day but when we saw them we know who your cla was and we knew who bill. What was he's wearing jerseys. I think it's the greatest thing ever for the front of the jersey. And i think when you talk about the front of the jersey. That's what most people in this country think about. Most people work for a company. Most people do things for others. Most people aren't pounding their chess every day about themselves. And i think this has been a great testament to the front of the jersey thing. It's great for college basketball moving forward. I don't wanna get into all of the things that irritate me about What should be done or what should be done in college asked him. I just know this. I just know the front of the jersey manner. The further jerseys always mattered. Further jersey has nearly as much as it has this year in ten fifteen years. All right. i'm gonna finish this and it's going to be a little controversial. But i really don't care. I listen to luca. Garza and jose alvarado. their postgame. Chris conferences were eliminated from the tournament and they both said the exact same thing. Emotional no doubt luca. Garza said i changed my life and thanked the university's teammates coach the experience count basketball. Jose alvarado said georgia tech changed my life to me. It was refreshing. Look i'm all for the nfl. So i don't even want to hear at the to me. It was refreshing because we finally got two guys to step up and say the whole idea of college. Athletics and playing on team is that shared experience. Whole idea is to go to college. Is to build a bridge for your future. The whole idea is to be part of a team. The whole idea is that that experience of competition and doing it and exhausting yourself and putting everything into it. And when i heard those two guys and what they said and how they said the emotion that they said you know what a just a gave me hope sound stupid but it gave me hope that maybe we will understand. Yeah there's all stuff going on. We got one inbounds. We got yells. And we're just you know the nc double a. Hashtag all that stuff but you know in the end. Education means something. The experience means something doing it with someone else means something. The lessons you learned means something i know. They're not mutually exclusive. But they hear those guys say it and how they said it. It warmed my heart because it said this is still this. Vision is still alive and there are people that are not entitled all right but appreciative. And i'm not saying that anything about anyone else but those kids just made me just put a good feeling in my heart. This the world's greatest podcasts. I'm not that's great great way to end this. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for listening to courtside. 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Final Four Recap and Championship Preview Edition

Courtside with Seth Greenberg

37:24 min | 2 weeks ago

Final Four Recap and Championship Preview Edition

"The dog lets you can find on his head. Right after the guy says food courtside with greenberg and dockage. The definitive college basketball podcast. All right is the world's greatest podcast aka courtside greenberg dockets and it is championship game. Addition but seth i gotta tell you one thing as isn't a ramp this is praising you know i me hawk has his family's been staying with me and i must shout them out. What an unbelievably great family. The mother and dad hymie seen your mother angeles sister. Gabriela cousins all been here. And i love the i love. I love these folks. They are so cool. And i felt so bad for them because jalen suggs listed up. Oh what a game seth greenberg. Let me tell you something. Jail sub shop is ridiculous. The game was more ridiculous than shop. Like the level of play steelite only cantonal fifty seven forty seven only ten turnovers. Johnny joo sang hawk. I cody riley competitive. They work tiger campbell. I mean the game was ridiculous and then on the other end low they did a good job monk casper and they did a good job for about thirty eight minutes on tenny getting overtime. Obviously tim got it on that high ball screen. Jalen sucks how about the baloch and then cure the ball and then no look magic johnson strutting down the middle little floor. Timmy would adine for the duck that was read lists. I mean that was like college fire in the country. That i i don't know 'cause he he's got a winning g like that. Do just makes winning claes. He's not overwhelming. He gets knocked in his chest. These can't breathe the next thing. You know his latest somewhere get steeler. That game was incredible. Like ghost made a good point. No one really lost that game. Gonzaga ended up winning it. Because you still couldn't play better cute saying but come on. I mean they lost they. Lost gonzaga won the game and i lost the game but i thought they had a shot. I thought they had a shot. I believe in you seal it. I thought it was a pathway. Never talks about. Growth points scored look how efficient they were. They didn't play any faster than you wanted to play. They played the pace. They won't play. They just shot that they had your thoughts as you roll your eyes me. No now no role in my eyes. No they played unbelievable. They play great. Look every guy you mentioned. Every how about tiger campbell man. I mean he was fantastic but the truth of the matter is i thought into halftime. Then a bad lineup. In there at the end to things happen they had a bad line if they went down which ultimately didn't really matter truthfully and then when they got down seven. This is where i loved. Ucla man ucla came right back. It was it was the time of game where of blows everybody. Ah middle second half they get it out to seven and web web web. And i got a pitch in for my guy. Hymie hawkins down five. They run the play. He's in the right hand corner. He just give gonzaga credit. I mean i did not think that. The gods in indiana the basketball god's which are everywhere. We're going to allow gonzaga. And i still don't think they're going to allow go into feet. I think baylor's going to beat him. But i thought the gods would not allow that win. The gods did a suggs hit it. Here's the prob. okay seth. Let's talk about this from a coaching stamp. Three point three seconds to go. You're going to look at film and say oh man if only this guy had come over there quick or i haven't done that yet but you know you're going to do that as an assistant hundred percent right. That's do as a coach. You look at it and go off riley with just just turn the ball handler. One time right. I mean that's what that's where i say. Yes you can say. Nobody lost the game. But when you're a coach when you've coached you look at that and the reality of it is we lost. We should up. We could always he would. And that's what i think of when i see endings like that but look. Let's be honest Best team was baylor. Abe before we get to baylor and i agree with you but i think there were a couple of things one. Why don't they choose to long to get injured. Neb hard offer. Jews surprise. 'cause he was not big enough. I mean just get through spot with number two you know. Gonzaga is drilled. in special situations. There was no hesitation. Drew took that out. Boom known was looking over to marc view. Joe jones suggs was up the floor. A little bit on the run now obviously didn't work out exactly white. Maybe they would have done it. There is no hesitation whatsoever that they were not calling time out. Don't have the time out. There was nine timmy. just out bam and like no. That's that's a big thing that that that's a big thing. So mark view. Great job so much pressure. They handle the pressure. They may every challenge one other thing. We we're remiss tie game choosing has the ball regulation timmy. Steps in and takes the charge. More house what a great play. I thought it was a good call. I don't know if there's a great call. Whatever those good call. But i thought that timmy. Y- you're always. There's a couple of things you're always taught defensively and basketball. One and first and foremost is to see the basketball nowhere. The basketball is. If timmy had turned his head earlier he would have been late to get to that spot. But i watched that play numerous times going back his eyes. He knew where the ball was the entire time of times. Guys stay close to his man. Timmy saw red square it and got the call truthfully as big as play tonight i. The the bucket was bigger play. I suppose but that's biggest play tonight. That's their season right there before we move onto things. I wanna mention fight fans if you want the best. Ufc experience you need. Espn plus with every pay per view. Event live fight nights exclusive originals and an extensive archive espn plus deliver sign up now at espn plus dot com and check out. The spn's newest podcasts daily wage. Your daily wagers. A podcast for information on tonight's game in the biggest place. Listen a daily wage every weekday afternoon wherever you get your podcast. Now here's the how do we match. Because you're right about baylor like baylor. Wasn't i actually like i went back and looked at ballard before the the pause l. Teams the forty two thirty two four eight in terms of game. Some of them was guarantee games thing after poisoning allowed people. She forty eight thirty nine and only fourteen turnovers game willing to turning their home people to twenty nine seven. Three and playing the likes of wisconsin. Nobo- an arkansas enforcing six and a half turnovers a game. Let me tell you something. Baylor is back. I mean they have been the you can tell there over the virus because there's so much more alert defensively. there's so much more active defensively they. Those guards are ridiculous. Baby on mitchell's lottery pick. I know nothing about basketball. He's so tough and my only concern about this game is how are you going to try to get fit to me and found trouble. I think is really important. He had to play with four fouls yet. Come out of the gave unless they get some one of those big in that middle ball. Screen can't score. They can't score so you're not putting any pressure on him on mad unless you run a thousand middle ball screens or thousand boss creeds and go at him because they want. The gonzaga switched a lot of those ball screens with ucla. Switch on baylor. Bail is going to hold that thing go flat and they're gonna make that dugard where you think. Well i thought a couple of things. I thought and this is something. If i'm mark few one of the things that i've gotta show my guys is there. Were probably. Seth and timmy had one. Maybe two i know kiss had one. Maybe two i think suggs at one maybe to reach in files when they had a guy pretty well stopped in the middle of the lake. Now if i'm mark you as a coach you're always trying to make your team better. You're always looking at things. I gotta show my guys look in the pain. We've got a guy pivoting. We've got a guy stop. We can't reach bail them out. Because i'm telling you hawk has went to the free. Throw line three times because of a reach. Tiger campbell went a couple of times because of a reached and that contributed big time to the foul trouble. That gonzaga hat. So i'm going to say i'm gonna pay attention to this actually during the game. We'll see how many times they file baylor files reaching in. When they've got the ball stopped in the lane. The other thing that i would say so with you on On mitchell i look at him and i say to myself this gets wherever he wants. If you off to take away the lane number one and number two he can lift up and make shot set. I i'm looking at this kid. And i'm saying to myself all right. What do you do if you got a couple of options. Pick him up to speed them up a little bit. Maybe you get them going too fast. y- when he gives it up. Maybe you playing like shooter. Don't let him get it back the problem you have as you got ta and the rest of these guys butler. That can really play. I think bela's better basketball. I think i think bailey's basketball game. My only concern for baylor is who in the front court western dunker spider. A run into the room for lob. I just don't know who scores for them. And they get by forty points a game to pay but they get them afloat and their guards they must wear. That's what i'm saying. Their cards had all kinds of floors. I mean it's unbelievable. But i mean you gotta find a way i just. Maybe i'm just old fashioned. I when i was a long beach state we. We used to literally run the first replace it gave. You're too big west bill. Add one good guy on each team. The the guy came in for that dude was not very good so we we would just run the first three or four plays make that guy guard tried to two thousand and like me find a way to get in foul trouble. He played last five minutes report fast. You get that figure out a way to get in foul trouble. And they gave they now. They have a problem now. They have a problem. I also think this an interesting thing. We have two teams play two point guards. I love two teams. That play two point guards. You got obviously suggs heart and you got mitchell and butler two teams. That play two point guards are going to end up taking care of basketball running. Good offense eddie. Up to check the basketball. I think that's That's so underrated and at times baylor plays with four floor games. I mean let me let me ask you this slowdown game. I mean let's be honest. The game was in the nineties. But if you've told mick cronin before the game this game's going to be in the nineties. He would've thought he at a prop alright. Slowdown game still goes in the night. That's what gonzaga end up doing. If you're butler or excuse me if you're baylor i must. I'm playing how i play. I'm not i'm not. I mean they slow it down naturally with that weaving action you know. And then they go into something so they'll they'll slow it down. That's like but i'm not going to be afraid to play up and down a little bit with gonzaga. Can't turn it over. But i'm looking at i'm looking at baylor and i'm saying to myself man. This fits us just as much as it fits that we can slow it a little bit. We can leave it. We can take our time with it but dame if they want to go. Those two point guards three held bite. Baylor was plants four point guards at one point in time during the basketball game towards the end. That's why i mean what's this. What's the winning. My here's my thing i agree with. You gotta play the way they wanna play. They can't get reckless. 'cause when you get reckless against canoga gonzaga run gets a and like i literally exhaust tickets. You cannot get record. So you're shot you're with your your ball security and you cannot get reckless with your shot selection. I don't disagree with that. One thing that i think fits into baylor with this. I don't do them as a jump shooting team. I view them as an attacking team. And i don't. I don't think you know i think a jump shooting team which is what. Ucla was for crying out loud and ended up damn near winning the basketball game. A jump shooting team as real problems against a team like gonzaga. I see them as tacky. I see them. As i'm gonna get into paint. I'm gonna get to the floater on the baseline. I'm going to get those kinds of things. Kick it and do other things. So i think i swear to god after what's net last night. I'm thinking this pretty damn good matchup for those players at baylor. Go out go by like. Hey i'll tell you this. They started running yesterday with hockey as they started running that they let him be. The point guard ran a little. I locked out of the ball back ball screened and he got to the rim or he got to the lane time he wanted against his now to me. That's going to baylor do now. They'll do it with matt. Meyer in the game. they can't do it with. No i think the toughest matches up for baylor is with bottles at the four. He gives you all that good stuff as galley grudge jumps rebounds to be able to get back and trains and locate kuenssberg on those kickbacks or turn head defense kiss is gonna front cut them and can catch it like mid post teeny catch. Turn your head dam is a front cut. Your shooter like they cut cut. When you turn your head or backup when they turn eighteen seed that's not ambig- like you turn your head against them and they are. I mean they cut to score. I mean gonzaga cuts to so few teams cut to score. They cut the score. I thought i thought i was the best cutting team off the post. But there's no question gonzaga is that you know you get the ball to whomever timmy's a terrific passer so you get the ball to him on the blocks or off the block. I'm telling you those helps. I defenders better get in front of their man. 'cause if they don't they're going to give up a layup i you know. How do i put this to me. I'm watching. I'm watching back to back back to back. You know you watch him back to back. Because i like watching baylor tuesday day and you watch gonzaga on wednesday what. I saw the baylor. God dang i liked them to win this game. I think they i think baylor will control. Temporal i think baylor controlled table against houston in the second half. I mean i know they were up twenty but i thought they did what they needed to do win. They needed to do it early. Get down to floor. Get to the rams scored on a points get elite second half we bid on top into some action drive the ball. Kick it to the whatever baylor to me. Yesterday was the complete package of a basketball. Yeah i heard something stupid i am. I go say who said it. But i heard well you know you go up against calvin sampson. How much are you going to have left for monday. Because they're gonna physically beat you up. La la la sheer. Are you crazy. Baylor got everything left. Baylor was the one beating the hell out of houston in my was cherry. Baylor was cheering. Churn for ucla. Because the team you wonder like here's my emotional. Just emotionally. you're you're an absolute rock fight. I mean every possession really just great. Just a i mean. People say it's the greatest basketball game in since maybe kentucky who knows i mean it is an it was an unbelievable basketball game. And if you're curious you're sitting there watching and you're you're ready. Did you win it on. Its emotional shop. You got thirty six hours later man. Let's you're turning around and plan for championship if any team. You wonder about where they are. Mostly physically the amount emma. I'm working. I'm looking at these minutes. These play being made out of play minutes any out of play minutes. I mean jalen. Suggs played forty minutes. I mean he got banged up. That was a that was a physical game. Man as a physical game subs. Forty minutes timmy. Thirty seven minutes forty three minutes. The forty two minutes kiss for forty four minutes where you see at the beginning to get new. Hey can i say some about stugz. Stephen bardo big ten network said something i loved. He said it was during the game. Three possessions in a row. Somebody i forget the game he was doing got knocked down and stayed down like you know you went to the bucket to get hit. They down neck split. Stay down stephen. Bardo said man kids. Just don't get up anymore. Something like that. And i started laughing and i watch and sell jester. Hey man sons went down. Do guy right back up. That's why you recruit football players. You hear that football players. Well you wonder why. You like to have football players. Stephen bartos talk and he was so right. I laughed. I text bardo after that. So good they. Just don't get your sport players. I agree with you is on. I was talking about that. We're talking about the sport to sport is football. Basketball are just built different. They're they're joss built like that dude. He role does actually got he got. Hit right is gut at one. Time by cody riley. I mean he that he's playing like i. Here's the deal. I've been hit dust myself off. Get back up. And i'm gonna put you in face. Basically what he said like you can't beat him down he's just he's jason kidd. I don't know he's just different. How about the block. It gets stuck on that screen. Timmy does a nice job level in the ball off and then he comes with his inside hand and gets a piece of that. Gotta be kidding me. I'm gonna tell you guys have a big game. Because he wasn't very good yesterday was great but wasn't great instrument no wasn't great the releases a little bit low didn't have time to get it off. I think he has a broad butler. Had a breakout game against against houston kiss could have a break up which would not be good to my fantasy team fantasy theme. I need are dropping binds. I'm right in there. I'm writing three. Said i of right in there got a got a great effort. John giuseppe great ephron out. I'm i'm sending them to know. It's not about johnny great job. Appreciated good after clinton gripes bad first-half but he realized they were losing. He said i gotta take coach greenberg. I'm gonna. I'm shooting this thing and we'll get a couple of points. Flagler not bad ivy flagler aggressive. But i i to me. I think kiss at the beginning. I thought kiss his match. I like kiss matchup against vital. I don't like it against meyer. I i think meyer can get kissed tantrum. I felt like mick. Cronin saw something with the hawk as against kiss and they went out of adam. They went adam. They went atom. I i i. I had a chance to face time with hymie yesterday. Driving his mom and dad Downtown's meet their family before the game and they facetime them and but by what unbelievable unbelievable kid right. I mean the best kid. Ever so i kind of i kind of adopted him. Even though i don't know the only time i ever talked to say man. Good luck so. I kind of watched him like you. Watch your son play. You know what i mean. Like all eyes on him and they felt like they had the match up against pittsburgh. They went against his early. They kept going. And i thought that hurt kissed her. I thought that that the concentration he had to have. If this makes sense to you the concentration he had to have the effort to put in. Defensively took a little bit away from his offense. I really felt like that watch. And that's why. I think that that myers apply. See because buydell can't do that unless it's in the middle ball. Screen matt meyer. Who never suresh sureshot. Or as i call matt ellis. Gerstle adopted him that dude's him back now now and he put it on the floor. He can go in a ball screen a little bit. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. There's different ways. Canadian audubon the block against now. Because because he could score lob dumps i at least i haven't seen him like he he doesn't finish. Great job can chama cha profile fiber. That's the amazing thing. Like i think that scott druce that has done a great hiding their week his lighter so he gets the dribble handoff turn land the. Hi boss great shooters around. Get one full step outside the three point line. That's a middle bus. Groom where you roll right confirmed said. What do i tag roller. Do i stay home with tag. The roller they're skipping. It either in or like you said the drive in that close up like that's what makes them hard when they skip it they all could shoot. They should forty one percent from three. But if you close hard on them a racket and you might get a three year old fashioned way. You know the the way to close out a lot of times. It's run past the guy right. Run off the line. That's an nba. Close out john jerome yet. Yeah you can't do that against they can't do you just can't you got so you're in a bit of a trick bag right. You're you know. He d short short high hands. Rear end lao short choppy feet. That kind of thing and they just look at you and lift up. Oria you get to pack packet. And that's what i'm saying. I know there's points in the paint and as you said earlier there's different ways to get points in the paint. And i think that i think this game sets up absolutely perfectly not only stylistically but when you were talking about with the minutes play. 'cause seth that game yesterday. Ucla and gonzaga was you played every possession. You play default my guys ucla every You did not get a early in the game i think. Ucla through after ford or something. So maybe there's three plays all game. But i'm telling you if suggs in the rest of them have incredible energy than god. Bless a man. I mean if somebody might say well how do i do not have energy. The national champions ideology can do so much. Yeah yeah mean especially after season. Haven't that now. Here's the thing you that has been impressive to me. You know we we you know west coast conference west coast conference west coast conference but now these have beaten. Villa nova wisconsin. Arkansas all right and you see a lot and that you know. Mitt cronin had a great press conference. Because he's above started season. We were to find a fourteen. He goes but right now. Who's anything team to country. And he's on aged. He's got he literally got every out of energy and skill at. Here's the deal for all people say you can't coach players are now you probably know better than i do. But it seems to me that those dudes would run. Grow wall from a chronic. It seems to me they love is energy and his passion and then he's coaching them hard. The banning of as a standard. It seems to me you know what you get good kids. That are good players. They want to be coached hard. That's my that's my take from being around parents all week and not only not only hawk is but a couple of other parents came over. Yeah there's there's no question says one of the things that matt krohn i got. I got a text last night. I was texting back and forth with an mba tm. about math. always knew cronin was good. I didn't know cisco. And he controlled the pace from and you know what was really cool in an era where kids got to do their thing or at least they say that and hangers-on say they gotta do their thing. You gotta let my guy do his thing. Tiger campbell was so connected to his head coach. Who right i mean. He was a lot of people talk about cliche coach on the floor. And all that he was mick cronin on the floor particularly on the offensive and says he really was yeah. He's like this like it talked with make this week. He's like this would make. He says they've made us wait like an early season. When tiger was garden. Anyone mikami at this this conversation him he said like i you to be my card. Just settling you know. Now if you can't guard you cannot be my like if you won't guard the ball i want you. I want the ball in your hand but if you can't guard the ball to point attack you can't be my poetry. I can't have a guy that can't guard the ball and like and used to kill me. Because i'd watch games early season the pepperdine again stuff and like they weren't they weren't growing anyone. It was the anti mick cronin. It was like it and that kid wants to please his coach that kid like he spent people stand. And i'm not saying they're going out and having ambrose but mid cronin builds relationships through because he cares and so passionate. He has the ability to let those guys. See-through him that passion is love and that the man is because he cares so much and it was really. May i ask you this motivational stuff. You see i didn't see the whole tapis. Send me to real copycats. I saw the video of the copy. Oh they did motivation video the night before from all the former great. Ucla bruins wish him well and talking about how they are and how that they're ready for this moment. Snap who i've made it with kareem. Boom i mean went from all the new and i am a mix and it was like unbelievable. You got like look you gotta do things before we go though. I guess you boy mike woodson he. He's not a bad recurred. Or what is going to do. Just fine i jackson davis back parker steward bag. You know my stance on the national beaten stance on those guys really lot we. We don't want to get off there. But i mean i. I made a staff. He's the perfect hire at this time. I don't know if he's win national. I don't know. But i know at this time with a basketball program lacking momentum massive apathy in the program there is overnight with his hiring a completely different field in the state of indiana for the indiana university. Men's basketball team just is mex- question and then we'll pick a quarter motion the perfect place from rim to go 'cause he's following a guy that basely's has a lot of the same care personality traits. Yes yes or no. I say yes i say i say great. Ad text with him brains. Yeah yeah he feels like this is He feels like this is the perfect fit for him Time to go. And i like i. I've known drew. Valentine a little bit and i covered denzel his brother. I think it's a great opportunity. Toss for drew though. I mean you're going you know but hey good for him. He was at oakland as as a player to manager. And everything else. And you know what I think i think the hires that have been made shocking. Smart of marquette. Perfect chris beard to texas. Perfect woody to indiana perfect I think that mosier to oklahoma tremendous. Valentine the assistant elevated tremendous. I'm i think that we've had hiring run here of things that of people. Excuse me not. Thanks of people that really fit where they're going and institutions. Pick the right guys that fit good. Good all around our last night. Picking baylor gave me two reasons. Why number one. I think that their guards and their perimeter are playing so confidently right al staff. That's number one number two. And i'll make this short. I think when. I watched their bigs and they're attacking the eggs of houston. I feel like i in the hotel today in the hotel after the game the other night. I feel like they're big guys. Got feel like Pardon upon samson not kelvin sampson with the hair big strong. You know what i mean. I mean i i feel like there has to be a confidence in their bigs to go up and battled timmy or wherever you want to throw in there and i think baylor's better team watching them back to back. I really felt like baylor was simply the better basketball team more skilled basketball team. If that's possible and a quicker basketball team. I think that's great i. I'm snow grinding through it. My gut feeling is it. Sounds silly in almost sophomore. But in sag up in indiana nineteen seventy six cinderella. You've gotta get through one of those games. The stars are aligned. Maybe this historic tournament which hopefully would shoot result in another historic game is to start Our ability to see the other side of this and it sounds so stupid. So sophomoric so you can. You can lose a game and still come out the other side of the. I'm guess i'm just saying. I'm talking about the cinderella story it you cinderella story. Because here's the thing and and you know we started the back and i said we need patience and plans protocol and you know. Now we've had we've shown great perseverance to get through this season. I mean let's face it and You know maybe this. This is the ending the season needed. I don't. I don't know. I mean i don't to sit back out. I left the cafeteria yesterday. Going go to the studio. And i literally less going like damp college. Basketball's good like you always say. It never disappoints. I walked out of there as a fan end as a wack coach. Say god this is good and and and on top of that. I just thought that you know what our game all that crap with a fourteen thousand cordial and and i al and you know and everything that's going on our game got if we could just get people appreciate joy damn games if we could just get people to celebrate the gate celebrate the game. Celebrate the guys who play be appreciative of incredible credible stage at these guys have been on the opportunity. We can just get back to celebrating the game and eliminate the doom and gloom around our game mail. We got its. There's nothing that compared to last night. Nothing the super bowl compared to last night fodder for wake nothing compares. You know what happens. Is you save every night. We we see great moments. we do. Amen amen to celebrate in the game. i mean you don't try to make it better and all that kind of stuff but amen and last thing. I'm gonna tell you this is to your point. You know who is celebrating the game. I only know one group. Ucla's player said they would do this every year. They're like we the kids the parents every like we. I know we're in a bubble. I noticed a hardship. I know. I can't deliver my son starbucks. I know i can't miss. Hawkins was trying to get toothpaste. I know i can't do that. These the the players at least the ones of the parents that i know in talk to were saying these kids are loving this man. I mean. of course you'd rather be on you. Imagine you know you wanna come onto campus and all that. But they're still loving it and it was magical and i talked to the exit. Aa hats off in the city of minneapolis. Absolutely let me say that hats off to the nc double a heads up to l. j. right at the basketball committing everybody involved man because they pulled this off They get attacked left and ride the nc double eggs like low hanging fruit. Something goes wrong. The nc double a.'s. Something goes wrong. It's marc emmers. Fine fine but how about one time. We say well done about one time. We say you know what in a tough time. Put something together that every person in the country damn near enjoy over the course of these three weeks and hats off to my city indianapolis for doing what they do. Better than anybody in the country putting on fricking big ass events man yancey. nc double a. And indy stepped up big time. And i'm proud to be a part of indianapolis. I'm waiting world. Trade is podcast never disappoints. 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"It goes to the far corner gear trying to center at tipped away by magnus chased into the corner by don moose loose during behind the net. Makita up on the right boards taken by clip. Carl turns in the face off circle to the right of the chicago and ed to makita center. Makita comes to the buffalo line. Couldn't get by the ramsey at his own blueline back etc sideline the long shot up the corner boards and let away don't against favors for their playoff competition here and seventy four seventy five elliott. That's my voice. That's my hockey voice. Ted darling original pillar play voice buffalo sabres. You remember that. Show the littlest hobo force to theme. Song is written by the name of terry bush. There's a voice that keeps on calling me. That's the opening line and the voice keeps on calling me the one that i will always have with me when it comes to buffalo sabres hockey and maybe just hockey in general. They still hear the voice clear as a bell. When i was a kid. Is ted darling voice. So like you. I grew up in southwestern ontario. So the two most accessible teams to watch the toronto maple leafs and the buffalo sabres and this is the era of the french connection right. And this is the era of danny. Geir and peter mcnab and craig ramsay jim. Lauren's and the bats. Jerry king kong in japan fell edwards and soviet can go on and on and on and on. I don't cheer for but part of me. Every year really wants the buffalo sabres to do well like a really want. And maybe it's just a childhood thing you know. What was it that The us gymnast. Mary lou retton once said trophies carried dust but memories lasts forever. I always love that line from her. Because my memories of buffalo sabres are vivid and that voice is vivid. I just want the sabers always to do well. Not that. I would necessarily cheer for them. I just think the nhl to me is a better place. Maybe it's all just stellar when buffalo's a good team couple of things from their number one of all of the things i was expecting on this podcast. A mary lou. Retton reference was not among them. That was very good. I have to tell you. I'm having my nineteen eighty four. Los angeles olympic flashback. Great gymnast i think sabre dance. Yes and again like you said. We're southwestern ontario guys so we would get the sabres games occasionally on channel two wdr's z. E with ted darling and. I remember the boston pops. Version arthur fiedler and i all gained. I gained a love of that kind of music. Because i heard sabre dance on the opening of buffalo sabres games. And i'm with you on the sabers too. Because i think they're an important franchise for the league because their driver know whether or not the sabers or playing their tv numbers are great. It's one of the few markets where stanley cup final doesn't involve buffalo. You know the numbers in the market. Be great because they love their hockey philadelphia ed snider. He always took a lot of pride in saying. Were the seven th team in the original six well i would say buffalo would qualify in that kind of area too so maybe philly came in first their seventh. But i think they're that powerful at a team in a market in the league. So i agree with all of those things that you say. So kevin adams fires ralph krueger on wednesday. Steve smith gets fired as well. Don granado comes in an interim capacity. Matt ellis girardi on the bench As well and you saw the kevin adams media availability. i mean. you saw the press conference. Did it feel like he had been put in a corner twelve losses. No other choice but to do this. You had to do something you had to do something you know one of the things. I was thinking to be honest was should they do media anymore because it's so acrimonious. I don't see it benefiting. Anyone like sam reinhart. I'm watching him after they lose that game six to washington and you know first of all you have to answer the questions. The worst moment of my career. As i was getting worldwide requests to talk about how i fucked up that olympic race. You know i said to myself you can't rhyme. You have to answer the questions you have to face. The music and i did every interview that was requested of me and i believe that that's what you have to do bite in buffalo with every game. It's been getting more and more acrimonious. Right and i just think you reach a point where i have to say. I've never seen it like this before. Maybe i'm missing something. Maybe there's been situations where the relationship between the team and its media is bad but because it's all on zoom now we're all watching it. It just seemed like the worst one i've ever seen and not just that particular one but like just the whole relationship and i was just looking at this. And i'm saying who's this healthy for who's benefiting from this and i don't think the players are benefiting from it. I don't think the coach is benefiting from it. And i'm not convinced the media's benefiting from it either like at some point in time it's disaster porn right jeff like. Do you think i'm wrong about this. I don't like shutting it down. I know that a lot of the a lot of the media veils towards the end of kruger's regime really didn't amount to anything other than you know confronting players and confronting coaches and splashing the obvious in front of them. I just don't like the idea of shutting it down because you don't know what's going to come out and especially in this time right now. Where there's there's no face to face and there's no conversations on the side and there's there's no interaction i hate the idea actually of of completely shutting it down what you're saying because you don't get from a to be a just continues. The line keeps getting drawn. And there's no end point to it but i just. I don't know that i'd go so far as to say completely. Shut down doing media i understand. It's it's probably not the right position for me to be advocating either. I know there'll be some people if they listen to this. They'll be very critical of even suggesting it. Which is which is totally fair. I understand that you. And you're probably right but i watch these things every day and i was just getting concerned for the health of everybody involved including the media members. Because you know what happens jeff. It's almost like to me. You get to the point. Where if you don't ask a thunderous question now. You're almost worried that you're going to get ripped on your twitter and and some people really get affected by that. And i don't like that either so then let me ask you. This question was then. The firing of ralph krueger a good enough release valve for now for now because you saw the the tension build up between media and buffalo sabres the players the coach management. All of it like there needed to be some type of release valve is let the steam out of everything. Yes let everyone back up and catch your breath. Was that firing enough for now. I mean let's see how they play right. You'll we're taping this on thursday morning. They've got a game on thursday night against boston. Their practice by the way was canceled this morning. Just unbelievable one thing after another. It's really it's like pig pen. Just that cloud of dust is all over you and it just doesn't go away but you know fans are supposed to go back into the arena this weekend and i do wonder if in addition to the losses if it was partially motivated by that i'd read some reports that the ticket sales were really soft. And if there's one thing that will get someone to act. Even when a coach has approximately three point seven five million under contract for next season. It's that because you're hoping that next year is the resumption of business quote unquote as usual and if the fans are voting with their wallets to say no. It isn't than that usually does create change So we'll see if they played poorly. It's not gonna change anything jeff but something had to happen. There's no question about it You have a thought on don granato behind the bench. Interim you talked about mad. Ellis before as well. And mr positively and bring that positive energy on the bench and and dan girardi who his maiden voyage Behind the bench of nhl team to be honest to me. Girardi is the key here. And the reason is they gotta fix rasmusen lean razz. D'alene is a cornerstone piece of their organization. Or at least he should be and that is the number one thing that i have to figure out. If i'm the buffalo sabres. what is going on here. What happened with this player and dan girardi. I believe he's been living in saint catharines or area so as they said he's got to go through a quarantine before he's available but to me the most important on ice thing that they have to figure out is how to get this player back on track. And that's what dan girardi is. Therefore you know it concerns me that it went sideways under steve smith. Because you look at that. Defense and carolina steve smith authored. Quite a bit of that you know. He helped bro slaven. He helped grow patchy a couple of those guys who are big parts of carolina defense. They learned at the feet of steve smith. So it's not like he's a dumb guy or a bad coach or anything but it clearly went south here. And if i'm the buffalo sabres is an organization the number one thing. I'm looking at right now. From an honest perspective is. How do we fix this guy and get them to be the player we think he can be. I wonder fraz misspelling more than anybody else. In the entire nhl elliott was affected by the long inactivity like we talked a lot about teams are weren't going to play teams that weren't going into the bubble was gonna mean for them because it wasn't as if rasmusen stallion like over the past few years has been a bad defenseman like if you look at his career aric like kind of a okay like not superstar but okay. He can see the progress year to year. And then this year he just fell off a cliff. Yes and i don't know what that is in. The only thing that i can point to is man. The buffalo sabres didn't play going back to last march and then all of a sudden jumped into action when the season resumed. He's the one guy in the entire league that i look at and say that came. You have been affected most by the long layoff. More than anybody else in the entire. Nhl the evidence says to me. You could be right. One story i remember was when we were in the negotiations that came up between the league and the players in november when they were talking about the possibility of changing the mo you in the league and the players were arguing about it. There was one player in particular in agent told me that the player called them. And said what do you think. They started talking about the economics but they moved off it and it was a it was a player from a team. That didn't make the playoffs last year. And the agents said the player you know we have to talk about the economic and it's important but the other thing is you've got to play you haven't played since march. It's now november at that point in time they were hoping for but i think they kind of knew it was going to be january at the earliest and said you know whatever happens here with the situation. You've got to get on the ace and play games. Like that's the most important thing he says. he said. He felt an obligation to say that he actually thought that was the most important thing for his client. And i believe it. Can i say with one hundred percents certainty that he was more effective than anyone else. No but you're looking at what's happening here. It's not out of the realm of possibility i think. Also just the of the whole situation drags you down. It didn't start well for him this year. I mean it just. This whole year has gone has gone poorly for him and they have to build them back up. You know if i'm buffalo. Even as badly as this season has gone for him. It would take an awful lot for me to even consider moving him and see. This is the thing like people say. How would you fix the sabers. How would you fix the sabers. And one of the things i look at it is. It's not just on the ice. You have to build up your organization and number two. There is a belief in the market. That you know. Everyone's saying well. The bills are good and the sabres or bad took a long time for the bills to turn around to. And i think the goule is. They've thrown money at everything like you can't argue that there's something there in the way. They run their teams that throws things off track and the belief is that the latest regime with the bills came in and they reached a written agreement as to what they can do and what they can't do and you always have to report to your owner. The owner is the boss the owner signs the checks and you have to respect that but the owner also has to understand that when you hire people you hire them for a reason and you put them in place to do your things and the bills seem to have an agreement where there's a limit as to the influence the pa- can have and the sabres don't have that and i don't know what the exact truth is but there's no question became a factor in the eichel negotiations and there's no question. It became a factor in the skinner negotiations. And i think that that's one of the things that has to happen. Here is a clear delineation and then from there you start to say okay now we gotta fix some of our other things and number one is who is the right person to fix deleen whether it's girardi or someone else if i'm kevin adams that's the biggest question i'm asking right now is how do we fix them. How do we get them back to being what we know we can be. You know as we look back at the the off season for the buffalo sabres in light of the press conference that we just heard from kevin adams on wednesday after filing ralph krueger. One of the things that people are wondering about is you know. When did the philosophy change. you know. There's that you know that video now. That's that's going to haunt this team for the season When kevin adams is talking to terry gula boat signing taylor hall and they're talking about how this is a move that brings that means you're going to the stanley cup. Yes right and then you saw kevin adams talking about well. Hang on a second. No this is an evaluation year which confuse a lot of people internally and out people said well what is this what it started out as we're going for a year and now all of a sudden here's our general manager saying every department needs to improve every department needs to of all. Every apartment is under scrutiny. In every department is getting evaluated this is turning into an evaluation season. I know this is. Hindsight is twenty twenty understand that. Why did they sign taylor hall if this was just going to be an evaluation year. That's the one that i think. A lot of people are having a hard time with. Because you don't sign taylor hall when you're having an evaluation year as kevin adams described it. Well i agree with that. First of all it was not a prohibitive contract. It was a one year deal if that drops into your lap. What's wrong that now. I think what it did was create a logjam on the left side and it's kind of affected. Skinner look like with the whole thing was skinner to me. Is there's two problems there. It's are you putting him in a position to succeed and is the player doing enough to be successful. I don't think it's ever one or the other. I think it's both you'll there's just too many games out there where he's not enough of a factor and that's as much on him as it is on anyone else now they create a log jam for sure and that's on them if they went out and they signed hall to an eight year deal at nine million a season than i would look at it and say okay. I don't know if that's the best choice of your resources. But taylor hall one year eight million. I'm sorry but i. I think that was a good gamble for them. It didn't work if taylor hall drops on your lap for that. It's hard to say no. And if i was in that situation i would probably have done the same thing. And that's the only way i can judge it speaking of taylor hall. That's one of the decisions now. The kevin adams has the next big date for the buffalo sabres as it is for. Every team is april twelfth and the trade deadline and whether it's Brand menteur whether it's eric stall everyone's gonna be circling taylor hall here for the trade deadline. What do you think. I think he will most likely get dealt that islander hole with anders lee. See if i was taylor hall. I would wanna go to a team like the islanders. I wanna go to a team that has some structure to it has some identity to it positive dandy if you said islanders or you said boston like i don't know if with the quarantine of that's what toronto is gonna do but i have no problem with them going to toronto. Get a ton of chances there but if it's us based if it's islanders. If it's boston if it's colorado why wouldn't you wanna go to. Any of those places was interesting. There are a couple of other teams Nashville in colorado. Specifically the taylor hall could have gone to in the in the offseason. We've talked about this before just as an as an aside i don't. I'm always fascinated with the alternative universe. The universe of the nhl ye ends up going to nashville reunited with john heinz and does it help the nashville predators or does it give it yet. Another salary cap issue for david. Poile deal with Ultimately i don't know i don't know what the answer is. The all that is just mindless speculation. On what if what about the other players like. How much of what we love to do. I know it's a podcast. Keep going just keep talking. There's to do traffic. Don't have to get to the weather to do sports. Traffic weather and traffic on the ones eric staal brandon mine tour. I mean how. How deep are these cuts slash trades going to go for the buffalo sabres. I would say can't move d'alene unless you get a ridiculous offer but who else is untouchable there. Well at one point. You would've said jack eichel. I don't know the assay that anymore. I think now the injury clouds everything clouds everything. I think bill cousins right now. I think is probably untouchable yup. No but but other than that. Yeah no open for business. As far as i'm concerned i agree. I think they're doing the right thing. Listen on everything everything. What are the interesting things. He kevin out of his mentioned is well. We're getting heavy with this intro Assistant general manager. Does this need to be someone with a long time in the nhl. Does this need to be an experienced. Hand here elliott. Because the one thing that we've seen on this buffalo sabres ladder on all the rungs. All the way up there are inexperienced hands grabbing every single run. I think more likely than not. It's going to be jason karmanos. And he is certainly is experienced. But i think also. They've got a beef up their scouting while we talked about this last time. They that they're not doing it in the west the oh l. They don't draft russian hockey players. It seems so. Don't bother to have a scout there. Nothing in finland as well. That's one of the teams that many of pointed to and have said. I wonder if they do like an eighty twenty or dare even say ninety ten split for video to eyeballs in the ranks when it comes to scouting i. I don't know that one comes from the top like. I don't think that the scouting issue is a is a kevin adams issue to you. That sounds like a terrier gula. I think this. There's nothing wrong with video scouting especially this year. But i do think is wrong as ninety ten or eighty twenty split. There's one team out there. And i'm going to reach out to their general manager just to to get more about it but from what i understood. They did a map. Okay of the united states and canada and now a lot of these leagues are starting up again and they said where are we thin. Where are their players. And where do we not. Whether it's you know because they have scouts who don't wanna travel because of health reasons which teams understand or because there's quarantine rules in those various areas and you can't get someone in there. Where do we need to have someone who can see players that we don't have someone right now. I heard it was three areas of north america. They said were thin and they said okay. It's our responsibility right now to find someone who lives in those areas and hire them and say you know. Here's a freelance fee. Can use scout for us in foul reports. If it's the team. I think it is like i said i'm working on it. It's a good team like it's a team that you would say that's a good team. And if good teams are doing that the sabers have to do that. I mean there's a reason they're called best practices. And you know. I think the whole thing with buffalo challenge to because i think the pa- felt you know they were recommended people and it didn't work and then they didn't wanna follow league recommendations anymore so they did it their way and now that didn't work. And so now where do you kinda go from here. And i can understand their confusion. All you can do when you own a team. Put it in the best position to be successful and right now. That's what kevin adams has to deal with the most put us in the best position to be successful finding that way. And bring us back to the glory of the mid seventies darling and the buffalo sabres stuff that that that that that the the the and the sabre dance and we're gonna win that cup. By donna mcdaniel who later went on to become a backup singer for motley. Crue and billy idol really. Yeah you know that. Oh i know the song right. We're gonna win that cup in the sabers. Booster club from seventy five. Yes singer donna mcdaniel went onto become. She was in a couple of motley. Crue videos choosing kickstart. My heart was also backup. Singer for billy idol. Oh yeah is a great story. Get us back to that era of the buffalo sabres when the sabre dance. And we're gonna win that cup and ted darling. French connection and crozier. Aw good all the king concord rab. Bring us back in the meantime welcome to the podcast presented by the gmc. Sierra okay. welcome to thirty thoughts. The podcast geoff merrick. Said elliott friedman. Thank you so much for stopping by today. Thank you for all the tweets and the feedback and the questions about. Why does elliott thickets gross. Put onions and mustard on a hotdog and coming up on the podcasts. I'm really looking forward to this Caleb dog is going to be stopping by the humble broncos He has a new book out called crossroads my story of tragedy and resilience as a humble bronco and elliott. I've gotten to know. Caleb going back to the memorial cup when it was in regina for the one hundred year anniversary Spent some time with. Caleb and other members of the humboldt broncos at that opening ceremonies at an eagles concert. We'll talk about that with him During the interview. But i've gotten to know some of the kids. Colby armstrong has gotten to know a ton of those guys and had them over to his house in pittsburgh. A number of different times really keeps in touch. I keep in touch with caleb and the one thing that always strikes me when i talked to caleb. I sent this. I've used this before on the podcast that we're all born with two lives and our second life begins when we realized we only have one and that really hits home with me when i talk to caleb and anyone who hasn't heard him speak before. I'm sure you're going to get the same vibe off of him just so happy to be alive and cherishing every day and cherishing every moment and that was like honesty free like as a hockey dad even just as a parent even just as a human being in canada. I remember that day. So specifically the humble broncos bus tragedy and will mention his ensure many people have told them their story about that day. I can just remember following the news with my wife that night in bed just refreshing refreshing refreshing tears coming down. Her eyes was just awful but this guy is so appreciative of everything that he has in life. Just a wonderful guy looking for this conversation with caleb while sir one of the interesting things on wednesday doing the ottawa senators vancouver canucks game with you and jennifer bottle and anthony. Stuart was watching the first period and watching you frantically tried to call as many people as possible as we're trying to watch a game and figure what's talk about in the intermission as we try to figure out. Why jimmy v. c. wasn't playing for the vancouver canucks that evening now jimmy visa woke up in the morning was a waiver claim by the vancouver canucks from the toronto maple leafs drove to ottawa. Took the pre-game skate. We all assumed that jimmy vesey was going to play and then at the last minute was scratched and i don't know how many people you called were all sitting there in the room while you're trying to figure it all out and i was trying to figure out who you were talking to. I think i nail two of them. I'm not exactly sure. But i think i have two of the people correct but take us back to wednesday night and a frantic elliott friedman trying to figure this one out well in the day what i was trying to do is i was trying to figure out could visa play and the reason i knew there was a chance was because when aaron dell was put on waivers by the toronto maple leafs mike smith was out in the end. Forsberg had been claimed on waivers by first carolina and then winnipeg so i knew they were looking for a goalie and i thought they were going to claim dell and will one person said to me was in a look at the schedule edmonton was going to be in toronto for a few days so rather than have them flying to alberta and having to go through their provincial quarantine if they got him and new jersey did because they were head of them in the priority. If they got him they were going to tell them to stay in ontario. And they'll pick them up with them and take them with them so he doesn't have to serve a quarantine so you're always looking at okay. Circumstances how do they affect things and normally. Vc would have to go province to province so you'd have to go through that but because he was based in toronto and the canucks were sitting in ottawa. I knew there was a chance so the whole day. I was just trying to figure out what it was and initially. I thought it was because it was within five hours. And as long as he had a driver that a negative cova test he was okay and then someone told me right before the show. It wasn't the five hour rule. It's simply because they were in the same province ontario rules. So i'm sitting here. I'm going okay. So we got this sort out. And he takes the warm up and then he doesn't play and the note the tweet that he's not available and i'm looking at this and i'm saying why and you said node and the contracts were good. They got back to you. It said you know the paperwork couldn't get done now. I'm sitting there. And i'm going okay. What specifically is wrong with the paperwork you know. That's the one thing you don't want to go because people are going to tweet at you. What's wrong with the paperwork and you don't want to get it wrong. And secondly i think that's a really good question you should be able to explain. What is wrong with the paperwork so i had to call and a bunch of people and you know nobody wants to guess and finally someone said. They have the specific team name on the paperwork. And because vc's a us citizen once the team name changes. You have to get the paperwork to say the new team name and this was something. I wouldn't have known it doesn't affect me in canada and someone from a. Us team told me that in the states. You actually get a thirty day window in that situation where you can change the paperwork but canada doesn't allow that and so you'll learn something new every day one reporter who actually goes through this periodically sent me a picture of his paperwork after the segment to say. Here's the example that says you may not work in canada with anyone else except the employer listed on this paper and i was like thanks very much. I'm going to tweet this all over the internet for identity fraud. And why couldn't you sent me this ten minutes sooner as canadian in canada. I didn't know that you know what it is jeff. It's just that you know if you go on and you get one thing wrong. It's a disaster so you're trying to nail it down as best we can and good job and got up by the first intermission because i was getting texas. Well saying what's the situation here and all i would send back is elliot's working on it. Watch the intermission. What did you make of outside of all the wisey. Not playing issues. What did you make the jimmy v. c. claim like. Is there a subplot to all of this first of all. It's not like jimmy visa terrible player. he's not it didn't work out in toronto. They're really deep. Vancouver is not as deep. I think he's making nine hundred thousand dollars. Vancouver's gonna pay the pro-rata mount of that about half the season. I think it's a smart pickup by them. He's one guy who's lying. Numbers are not bad. So if you're into that kind of thing you're looking at it and saying you know he can make us better. I do think the subplot to all that is that you know. It's more likely than not the tanner pearson was going to get dealt. Now as we record this we don't have an update yet on pearson. Who was injured and left the game against ottawa in the third period. You know we'll see what happens there. But i know that have talked publicly about how they wanna sign pearson. I'm sure they do. But i just don't see a path to it. It doesn't make sense unless pearson is really willing to take a haircut without seeing the market. I don't see it happening right now. So we'll see where it goes but it says to me that the conducts are preparing for the possibility of a pearson deal and they wanted to have some added insurance therefore it The anton forsberg claim as his parade through canada continues edmonson winnipeg ottawa. I had a certain goal. The issue not too long ago. Who actually amused of claiming him on waivers and using him as their starter. They are thought on anton forsberg. So he's been on four teams this year. He hasn't played a game. Nope you get to keep the jerseys. From all the teams. I don't even know if he had jerseys from carolina. Actually they're right. Yep gets to keep his nineteen twenty jersey. I mean that's it's brutal. I mean if i'm anton forsberg. Anyone asked me what i do for a living. I don't say professional athletes. I say professional traveler. How many quarantines is. He had to do three. Oh i know this guys had a tough. And he's gonna play auto. Keep losing goalies. Well that's another issue. We should probably get to here on the podcast. This is spinal tap drummers with the ottawa senators and their net. that's the sa- the third time in the last month. That you have made that reference. You have to come up with something new something new instead of his battle. Tab drummer analogy for one position. The keeps like lake. Goaltenders do in ottawa ottawa's proven to be a pretty scrappy team and they have a hard time against the oilers. But i mean they've gotten a piece pretty much out of anybody and just threw a real good scare into the vancouver canucks as they still have playoff hopes if they get saves their confidence grows and they play hard. If they don't get a save they wilt you can see it like decor he's a battler. Yeah love 'em gustafsen. I liked him last night. He battled like that's all you can ask for you coming in that situation. And then when in the commercial break when they showed him with his hands. I i was looking at mandalay's on the bench in also that was guston's nhl debut. Easy has one pro game. And i was thinking. Is he going to have to come in. And and us and it was actually pretty interesting. He explained in the post game. So it's kinda like when. I'm getting stressed. I can't get into my my hand like i couldn't feel my my right fingers at also. We had to get like a a heat bag and something tried to get into that. Play the puck for for the first couple of minutes and dan was. It was kind of normal after that. I don't care about the relative lack of experience of guys like the court and gusta sin just go in there and battle and they respond and the sanders showed that who else needs goalies in that auto organization belleville watts. Because they're only nhl now right. Well they're playing with. oh l. goaltenders. Bless him cedric andrea. And tie austin the up but these are there. I'm sure those kids are thrilled to be playing though hundred percent. Of course you're getting like andrea. I the game the other night against the vowel. Bless him. he's a third star in the game. Like i'm sure they're loving it and that's a lot of fun but if you're the belleville senators to it's like man send me goaltenders. Please please send me goalies. I want to get to one more thing here before. Hopefully get us some. Ask thirty one david quinn. In the new york rangers coaching staff all place on the covert list on wednesday afternoon. They were not available for the game against the philadelphia flyers incomes. Chris knob lop from hartford wolf. Pack of the american hockey league and the rangers have their game of the season. They beat the philadelphia flyers nine nothing because advantage in his big apology to everyone that took him into fantasy hockey. Puts up six points to which i ask you a couple of different things one if david quinn and his coaching staffer available for the back to back against washington over the weekend. Do you still follow the philosophy of you. Never change a winning. Line-up does that include coaches as well and too. I don't know if we've talked about this. How different would hockey. Nhl level if there were no coaches and players just decided on the bench who was going on who was coming off and then they just went out there and played. Would it be more entertaining sport. I would submit. yes. Because i would i would. I would imagine that the new coaching staff comes in last night. And it's not like they're not trying to hammer in anything new is just guys. Just go out and play. Just go out and play. What would nhl be like if there were no coaches. One of my favorite books is lord of the flies. So i think it would probably be something pretty similar to that out. I think in the short term. It would be hilariously entertaining. I'm not thinking about success. Yes all of this is. I'm not thinking about eyes on the prize and stanley cup and built for the championship and furrowed brow button. Down like this hockey's. I'm just talking about like enjoying hockey games. Like wouldn't every game be more entertaining if there weren't any coaches eighty coast listening to this right now is hate nami hard. I get that. Yeah but i bet you. A lot of fans are agreeing. A little thought experiment coaches sorry. Just humorous here. I think it'd be more entertaining. There's no question would be more entertaining like zero zero question. A coach's job is to give you a better chance to win and oftentimes a better chance to win. Means better structure committing defense. All that non fun stuff. I would be curious to know in the long term would teams get better or would they devolve. Would you mean by devolve like lose more games. That's your barometer for it. Well that's the thing you know to me. The whole challenges. Do you get better if you took a coach off the bench. Would it team l. over the long term. Get better or worse. That's the challenge of it to me. I think some teams get better and some teams get worse. See that but to me. That's the challenge. Like if i was on a team and you said we're taking the coach away from me. The challenge would be to prove to the coach. We can win without you on the bench. Because i'm competitive and that's the way. I think there would still be some type of coaching but to go to your lord of the flies analogy there would be a leadership group of players on that bench. That would decide how the team was going to play. And who was gonna play with. Who and how they were going to play. It was just be the minutia of the game wouldn't be so micromanaged who will be just go play. Essentially comes down to you. Know as a coach. Is it your job to be entertaining or efficient. And every koshal tell you it's my job to be efficient. No it's your job to win your job to win and and you win through efficiency. Many would say you don't win by. Hey let's be entertaining out there. Let's go make a whole bunch of risky you know. Low percentage plays because it could be fun if it pays off. I don't know this is sort of links. Again at my. You know annual in decamp idea where. Listen maybe this is one of the things that you do in the offseason play entire off-season worth of games once a week or twice. Who record everywhere. There's no coaches seaward is like. I don't know try it by the way. Do you ever thought on that game. That rangers flyers. I thought eleven video said the right thing after. Try to forget it and move on now. I think privately. They're saying what do we have to make sure we don't do again so that doesn't happen again but publicly. I think that's the right attitude and this is why by the way jeff. I also think it's becoming more and more likely the fliers. Don't make a big move to add at home before the deadline. Because i just don't think they believe they're good enough to do it this year. I think their major surgery if they decide they have to do it. In the off season that is an interesting point of view. Have you earned a trade. That's the way i would deal with it. Yeah funny. I was talking to someone last night. Overtaxed during the game like he's he's a flyers fan. So what does this mean for the philadelphia. Flyers said i. It looks to me like this is going to inform chuck fletcher on what he's gonna do come trade deadline time should the even bother Adding of his point. Okay quick break. We will by the way. Do some ask thirty one. At the end of our energy with caleb dolphin. You'll hear from him next former humble bronco now author of crossroads my story of tragedy and resilient as a humble bronco will gear elliott. It is very much our pleasure to welcome to the podcast hockey player slash author slash. All around good guy. Bon vivants. i've never seen without a smile. Caleb dahlgren author of crossroads my story of tragedy and resilience as they humboldt bronco caleb. It always puts a smile on my face. When i get a chance to talk to you or get a text from you get a chance to hang out with you. Thanks so much for joining us on thirty one thoughts. The podcast this week. How you been. thank you. So much for the intro. Geez thank you. it really means a lot and beyond here with you guys today chattan. So thank you. And i'm doing really well. Honestly being happy healthy and safe. I think that's all you can really expect right now in life and i have all three so i can be luckier killed. So just fill us in on. What keeps you busy right now. What are you up to all right. So i'm a student athlete at york university in. So i am actually pretty busy knocked ally. We have teams every week. We have two of them and then we have work mandatory every day and then on top of that. I volunteer with the mice. I have school. Has well miss out and so i haven't courses school. I actually fast board courses able to finish early online courses in now only have two left in my degree super exciting right now. So we graduate in the spring but on top of that Volunteers many different organizations at my own dogan diabetes also in with gdp and i'm with inner school. A black indigenous varsity soon athlete association animals with the sports council at york. And i wanna say. I am hockey tooks. I do volunteer them every wednesday. I really tried to give back even though weird in the virtual world. Give back the all. I always find it fuels. My soul helps me. I feel good about myself too. So i i love doing that. And i'm also in the process right now for applications with canadian memorial chiropractic college and have an interview coming up that soon and really looking forward to that. Because that's my future goal is to be a chiropractor and to work with athletes especially and a otherwise just trying to have a happy normal healthy life and i think this book is probably another thing that outlets to i guess favorite and least favorite course took it york. Gisors fight quite. I really like i'm a student. I love school. Not afraid to admit that either. I love it wa. What's wrong with you. I say my favorite it would be. I really enjoyed my anatomy. Physiology courses took took a year long. Damning physiology course But also really enjoyed prospects and perils of globalization and. That was all about like the future in next that was super super informative in really really eye-opening loved that course to i go on. Probably there's there's quite a few at least favorite though i'd have to go with managerial accounting. A naughty accounting guy just doesn't work for me. My brain doesn't put the pieces together like it should so that one probably not my favorite. How many hours in the day do you have. I only have twenty. Four elliott only has twenty four. Have you been able to find a few extra ones. Caleb like what's going on. But hopefully i mean we'll to find some sleep. I've been able to sleep a little bit. So that's nice kid. It's been good. I'm really really organized. And i'm very committed to my time. Also as if not to mention that was quite a big thing. I do help my team with recruiting so i was actually spent a lot of time on that just before the book on here and yeah so i was able to land players for organization for the next four years in. Make my impact on the team still so without even playing so i think the super special too but yeah. I tried to live a balanced lifestyle. Obviously with this able to hang out with my which in kinda helps me with more time but it also really hard for me. Because i've such a friend. I love my friends and i always want to spend time with them and i am an only child so they are technically my brothers And that's been the hard part about this. Is that after. Stay at home since have immuno-compromised and Be careful with what i'm doing. I'm listening to talking about york university here in hockey and recruiting players. Even though you're hoping to go to chiropractor college do you see yourself culturing or being involved with the program even after you graduate. I i wonder if coaching or management of some kind is in your future at all. Yeah definitely i think. I'd love to coach at someday and right now though with chiropractic ensure my hours are gonna look like how much dedication of time it's gonna be because they do have a brain injury and so i do have to dedicate even more hours to school than normal regular person would so i won't be combined to anything until i can actually get in there and get tested. The water is like before making commitments with that in future but one day to coach children. I want to be one of those cool. Dads on the is not one of those but one of those fun. You just have fun out. There weekday practices fun. Make sure all the time so definitely one day. I want to be coached for my children and last ethical to a couple here jeff. I've been talking too much. Go ahead man. I was gonna say not not going to be a glass banger. Then caleb no no. I can't see myself on that. Probably be the coach on the bench having a good time. Try to make kids laugh or try and make them in love with the game. That i have such a deep passion for it. I'm sure you've been asked about april. Sixth two thousand eighteen over and over again and that was the day that you know for my family like i was saying to elliott earlier. I can recall vividly. Caleb but i think of you. And i've talked about this before My wife and i that night just refreshing twitter trying to get updates and as each update came in it got more and more horrific as we learn more about the humboldt broncos bus crash and just like crying just sobbing. How could you not and this was coast to coast. This isn't exclusive to my family. This is families all across the country. All over the world really. You can't be a parent and not feel that because one of the things. I'm sure you've you've had people tell you this before as a parent when you hand over a child to like say hockey program like yours. It's difficult that's another. cut the umbilical cord. They're out of your control and audio protection the womb like you can't hold them and keep them safe. That ship isn't important anymore. It's off sailing and it's a fear that parents live with. You've had a few years too. I mean you went through it. you've written about it in this wonderful book. You thought about it you've been asked about. It has your perspective on everything that happened that day and the country's reaction to it changed because this whole country mourned for that team. The i wouldn't say perspective has really changed per se. I've always had an open mind threats whole process. Do one thing that i did learn. That happened afterwards everybody heels differently and i think that's so beautiful to be able to acknowledge that there are differences in People in healing and what works for me may not work for somebody else in works for someone else. I for me and still respecting the each other throughout that process is so powerful i think super special and so that's one take away from it but like you said the support from malaysia scotch. Winter humboldt nine canada but the world lilly. The world was astronomical. I actually still in speechless today. I actually came in process and put two words together to say how grateful and thankful i am for that. It helped me for sure my healing process and just know as people might corner that early in my corner from all over the world wanting to see me succeed and go another way to help me. If i ever needed help it means the world but then also insane breath it kind of opened my eyes up to other situations where other people have tragedies in their life they don't get any support or they nearly anything. Maybe a couple of phone calls a couple of people visiting them. But i think that's where it really sunk in hurts me. Even more is to see the other end of the spectrum to like how grateful and thankful i am for all the support received but then how this lady in the hospital beside had one visitor. The day like breaks your heart to see that in so Definitely been more aware. I've learned in grew to just be more supportive of the people who are going through tough situations in their life and to have that kind of aspect of looking out for others even more. 'cause i always tried to put myself in other people's shoes in emphasize and to be a support for them now even more like really trying to be out there really trying to see if they're okay. I really think that something special for sure. And i just think that an easy to make the most of the situation to I've always tried living life to the fullest before the crash and now after of always tried a little bit bigger to life can end in instant and a new that. Before i've had lost situation my life where i could have been gone or my family members or friends have passer gone or could have been really close in the book. I detail how. I lost my personal trainer. Young age lost teammates at young age. Also lost my dad. When i was sixteen. And so i've been through situations where life has been drastically different if something does happen in if it did happen and so let's Open up my mind to always be ended in present moment in giving my all in tehran highland and be treated in so afterwards. I feel like it's kind of duty to continue that. But do if a sixteen as well as myself to and to enjoy life to the fullest to make memories and have fun and still impact and try to do as much as i can from. The situation tried turned to a positive. That's remarkable and elliot night earlier on On the show. We're talking about you know the idea of us being born with two lives and the second life begins when we realized we only have one. And i will never forget i will never forget. I saw the video of it and we put up on on instagram. When this podcast comes with your with your blessing may seventeen two thousand eighteen at mosaic stadium during the eagles concert. That was the first day that i met you. Some of your teammates and i was there with My now late friend. Colton todd warriner. Colby armstrong was eagles concert before the memorial cup. And i remember there are so few times like eliot. I'm sure you've had times like this. In your life to your part of pure joy like just pure the joy of being alive and everything that it means to being alive like that complete joy smiling deeply and richly. And there's this one video that i have of of all you guys with colts and todd and colds Dancing at the eagles concert and like there's deep ridge smiles on all of your faces. It seems as if that is. That's a common thread with a lot of you guys that you feel okay. That was a close call. We got a second chance at this. Let's make sure that you know. As warren's yvonne would say we enjoy every sandwich yep for sure and i even remember him talking to colton that night and dashing opponent my book too but they weren't we weren't able to get him in there really really was really pushing for that for him to be there because our conversation that we have that night definitely put things into perspective even more to because he was talking about how like he had cancer. He wasn't gonna make it that much longer. As trying to live in the moment enjoy everything and he accepted that too but he's will never be mad. They have enjoyment life just hearing his perspective in mind. Can't be in line with those situations. It really just like validated. What i was thinking feeling too about how we really need to do everything we can to enjoy every day because tomorrow's never given and the way that he opened up to me that night was some super special Remember that night forever to remember us. Dancing still have that video to you have to have a dow was in there to to shake ya has a really fun night and it was great meeting you and is one of those nights that we needed to. I think just to let loose bit loss guys had a great time there. I did too. It was really fun to just get out and try something new and meet people in. I always liked that. Yeah is very time. How much do you and the other broncos communicate with each other. Is there a group chat. How much do you talk how. What kind of contact is there between your group. So we have a group chat. We talking Often give a time limit. We have a group shattuck's iztok in of we always try to be supportive of each other at the end of the day in rural on different healing journeys in all on different processes throughout this whole situation a lot of different perspectives. To and offer me. Personally i want support them in whatever they believe wherever they think and i really value how strong everybody is to and how everyone is trying to move forward in their own way and i respect that completely so it's been a great process throughout this whole thing and i always will have their back forever. Who is the most entertaining person in the chat. I would bet decent odds that it might be you but is there anybody else. I like to say that. I'd like to start conversations but i tell it's hard to conversations for sure i also like to say that are always planning for something to which is nice because we're planning to get together again this summer to do something together which is great. We try to do it every year. last year outs. He didn't work out because of covid but the year before we went to colonial which was such a blast is so anxious to get away with the guys just hang out in Descend joy the each other and so last weren't able to do that. We all hopped on zoom call which was great and the summer. We'll see if will to get together. I think looking like well in july or august here. So i can't wait for that. That's awesome now. What was the toughest part of the book to write for you. Caleb i'd say Right after the crash chapter sixteen in chapter sixteen tasted. I think the hardest part for sure was attribute chapter and it was difficult because they're soles that aren't on this. Earth ally really considered family but also on top of that. You can't describe the mazing life that they had in a paragraph or two is not. There's no possibility. And even for the year i was with these people are dazer. Munster spent time these people. It's so hard for me to describe how amazing to me. How amazing on this world. So it was such a difficult chapter and i spent countless hours countless i reached out to all the angel families and ask for their blessing on the chapter on what i wrote about the person because everybody wanted to respect that situation completely. I wanted to make sure they're okay with well as putting in the book about their child is here so it was. It was definitely difficult one but hopefully i. I made the best chapter ever by realized never will be. There's no way could ever be the best chapter ever. So i bet you. Caleb people are going to read that and nobody's going to have a problem with absolutely just the amount of effort you put into it and you went to the families i. Nobody's going to have an issue with anything nobody nobody. We'll see hopefully resumes. People are people enjoying it but was definitely the most difficult chapters chapter sixteen and just recounting all the amazing memories and stories and personalities of these. I wonder if under individuals had a. We're asking about your dad selfish league. Some hockey dead two does wonderful quote that you put in your book From your father. And i'll read it here. Let's just live as big as we can. My father said the only thing we can control is how we live our life now and how we celebrate people when they pass away. We need to move in their light and not in their darkness. Can you share some of your thoughts about your dad. Caleb yeah no might as such a big inspiration. So as i'm on. Both of them are absolutely incredible individuals. I'm also honored. Have them as parents. I look up some both in so on my dad's side he he's absolutely warrior to He was dealing with the disease as super Early on his deathbed like you'll see in the book. How my mom tax me saying that. I need to come home now. 'cause he's not gonna make it and that was on a game day and so i wasn't even home in on the road already but it was definitely powering to hear those words out of his mouth at that time in my life too and it's so true too because we have always on things that we can't control to our life because the things that we can't control hand is the reality of and i can't even just the crash perspective. I literally can't control the semi driver. I can't control my emotions. I can't control who's here. Who's not here. I can't control the whole circumstance of what had happened. I can't control the reaction of other people. All i can really can control as myself and how i wanna move forward from the situation. And so as he says those words to me is true and then when and when people do in a passing away how do i wanna live my life for them. Like i want in so i kinda put myself in the shoes. If i wasn't here. And what would i want survivors do how would i want them to live their life. I wants to be happy right. Want them to have fun. Of course well. As i've tried to do i want survivors. Follow their passions dreams to enjoy life to the fullest into not. Let this hold them back to grow and learn to be urging themselves. So as i've taken on to live like that so when i when i hear that i'm curious you talked about your desire to go to chiropractic college you talked about. You're looking forward this summer to getting back in touch with your teammates and seeing them face to face what you couldn't do last year but i'm also wondering what caleb or some of the more i don't know if find is the right word but fun goals that you hope to accomplish over the next few years. You're obviously an incredible person. There's a lot you're capable of doing. So i'm just wondering about other things that you're looking at that maybe isn't a work goal that you're saying i'm going to do this sir. I'm going to accomplish this. One is traveling. Where are you going to go. i'm only hot vacation somewhere somewhere tropical. But i'm really interested in bali or philippines ice and i also want to go to dubai. I was super cool. Place i wanna check it out and love trailing so. I think for me challenge always been one of the things i love to do and i wanted to do it. So i make time for it for sure Totally want to go out to my buddy's lake have some fun out there We have our summer get together with my best friends growing up. We always go to his lake. Lake task and Is slowly the best time every year. Look forward to every year. I try to like schedule by time to be at that lake and to be the guys because as such a highlight and i also have golf memberships to and so. I love golfing. Getting into a little bit wasn't too good. Start by getting back into the rhythm and It's been a blast. I liked to have fun too. It's just. I have big aspirations and dreams. In life i think i get fulfillment from giving back and that's why. Cairo is like a win win and would even be work. My eyes it'd be me being fulfilled in life and be having my passion my dream to help others and to still be in the sports world fulfilled and so i think even if i did get my chiropractic and i dig my sports specialty if i went to europe for a couple years and just like toured around europe. And we're with like a national team or something. I think that is such a cool experience. But that's like far fetched Pretty big dream but trial around europe. I've been to italy. I've been all over europe twice already. So i i absolutely loved it there too. So what's your handicap. Oh boy i wanna say thirteen. That's pretty good. Kale fifteen like nothing wrong. With that is it could be better. It could be worse my friends if they do listen to this. It'll be laughing. Because i was a first round. I was like over one hundred and it was so bad but it was on the hardest core since gach on so like. They gave me a bit of credit but it was a improved this summer. Some friends you've got. They they put you out there to try the hardest core literally. It was the funniest lizardo people. It was fun as good time. I mean it made me get a lot more resilient to myself as a gopher for sharon deathly testify patients so it was good one Before we are here I just want to mention Chapter twelve to me was the one that really hit home. When you you're documenting the days were you know were out of it and you lost consciousness and then you woke up and your parents. Were there explaining everything that happened. And you'd been out for for five days. I was the one that That relief found a home for mikhail. But i i want to end on one end on a positive. And i want to end on Connor mcdavid ryan a riley To the more generous people in the league What did it mean for everybody that i remember getting the phone. Call from sherry bassin Merrick sherwood here. You got to keep something on the down. Low rhino riley and connor mcdavid. Wanna do something and telling me all about it and what they want to. They want to do it very quietly very privately as well. But what did it mean for those two guys To go visit yeah. It was super super nice to see those guys just come in town of their lives to support us and it really meant world to have them come to their such well respected players in the nhl leaders on both their teams in you tell her leaders to and that's the part that i love about it is that they carry themselves with such high regard. They tried to be Such great people on and off ice and be a leader for others to follow. And that's the people that look up to in the hockey world and then also like everybody else came visited to was phenomenal. I had so many visitors and so many people that sent messages bills and just took time of their life to support us. And i think it really goes to show how amazing life is. How as the hockey community is to like the hockey world really got together around this and really support us. And some very special idaho deeply to heart and always be so grateful for that and it really does make a difference to be there for people and the aso's mean those two were. It was a cool experience for sure. Other great guys. I can't say enough good things about them. And for years caleb people will look up to you but thanks so much for for doing this. It's a wonderful book crossroads. My story of tragedy and resilience as humble bronco guests has been killed dog killed. Thanks so much for this. Ub well and stay in touch. Thank you so much tailored just before we let you go. Is there anything you want. Say that didn't give you the opportunity to say anything. Just want to close with or anything like that for sure. This is just a one hundred twenty nine stories from that day and other many other stories externally from that day too. So this isn't the broncos book is out bronco book. And that's why i make that clear to aaron out there that it's not the broncos his al bronco book just one person out of twenty nine so Think he'll for stopping by the podcast. This week elliott The book is called crossroads. Give a higher recommendation Wonderful guy had to have been a challenging offering to write to go back and relive everything has gone on in this young man's life but it's a real good look into caleb dog life with humble broncos and elected he mentioned this is the story of the team and the tragedy. This is one story because everybody has their own. We thank killed for stopping by and encourage you all to pick up this wonderful book elliott enough. You've noticed this. But you're sort of becoming star on these burkey features. It's supposed to be about me and brian. Somehow your fame is sort of over shining olive it. Hey guys on thirty elliott. Don't believe this beef. Wellington is delicious so all comes to me and says can you help me and be a part of hey burkey and of course i would glad to be part of it to help the group help. Make anything sound better. Whatever you why says okay. How 'bout this line and this line. I said sure no problem. And then i get. Can you make sure that you're eating when you record these now jeff at this point in time. I'm like admiral akbar in star wars. It's a trap. There's no way. There's no way i'm not coming out of this looking ridiculous and you're just saying whatever let's do it. Let's have some fun. And when he posted that thing on the or the sports net twitter account posted that thing. It didn't take long until i started getting flooded with text messages house beef. Wellington vancouver radio plays the clip with by. Hit this week and no vancouver. Radio is the bane of my existence. And kathy broderick says. I should change it to my twitter avatar which i did. I'll probably change it back soon but this one is not going away anytime soon. I know that like it. i like it. It's got a turtleneck and real shire. It's good do you draw. Who draws it kneels brits. Neal's brits at a winnipeg he's great. He's fantastic yeah. He does a good job. Yeah very excellent artists i. It's a treat working with him. It's good it's too bad it's coming to an end merrick. Guys do a good job with that. You draw it's not coming to an end. it's not. It's going to stay. No burkey wants to keep doing it. That's the thing like when berkey leifer pittsburgh at this I call them on that. That night that That he made the announcement and said yeah. It's been real nice during the hey burke's with he's like what do you mean. I wanna still do more. These aren't going anywhere burkey. He he wants to be both media superstar and a hockey executive at the same time. Don't cross the beams. Burki told us. I tell you i get so many comments about that. Hey burkey feature. Good and i think bryan does too. It's just it just because it's different. You draw good stuff out of him for stories. We've heard forty seven thousand times. You do a really nice job of drying them out of him. I gotta handle out of that. Two amilton he doesn't just do the audio but he helps put together the story boards for all of them like honestly nice guys do a good job with that amazon. Grow up and not just on the podcast but on. Hey burkey all right. Let's get to a couple of hashtag. Ask thirty one because promised we would. This comes to us from. I love these at t. H three underscore and three r d s. M four guys. Is that a star. Wars droid if that is indeed your real name. T h three hundred score and sm for is that no because it's a sophisticated question. It's an interesting one too. That's going to be tracked back to a bought farm somewhere in eastern europe. Well maybe but it's a pretty hip bought firm if it is because this bought farm thousand pretty interesting question in order to attract free agents with other benefits could team offer could teams offer a white glove service. Package to players your own equipment person. Et cetera assistance. Anything like that. How about that as an offering to lure free agents. I believe there is something in the ba about not being able to offer things like that in theory. You can't do stuff like that. And i'll give you an example when dennis rodman was in the nba when he signed with the dallas mavericks initially mark. Cuban put them up at his guesthouse and the league said you can't do that. That's a violation several years ago. Very in the salary cap era. And i found this out later so the salary cap comes in for the five zero six season and this happened not long after and i found out about it even longer after that there was one team that accused another of signing someone to a ufa deal and that player was late in their career and they said look if you want to retire before the deal is done will just switch the money off the books right And one team accused of that. And i don't think it went anywhere so i think the league is very mindful of this kind of thing just like as i mentioned the nba is. All of that stuff is not allowed. I remember for example. One time there was a player that took a private plane during the playoffs. And i think it was because of an injury. Reason and another team complained about that being a violation. They do technically monitor. This stuff like you're only supposed to be paid your salary. And that's it and they do try to keep making sure that there's no funny stuff going. Okay i'm glad you brought that up because you know what i've always wondered about and never received an answer about what's at. Let's go back to the early days of the salary cap as well. I always wondered. If sidney crosby living at mario lemieux's mansion i always wondered if that was the circumvention of the cba all because crosby stayed there because crosby stayed at the mansion. Which is something that. I'm sure you know fourth line. Pittsburgh penguin left-winger. That was a perk. That that player wasn't getting well. If there's any issue we'll find out after this. Podcast this podcast. I've always wanted to know how penguins were able to skate on that one. It always seemed a little bit weird. Didn't like this it. Someone new comes. The team and another player puts them up. And that's cool but this is the owner and his mansion and the star player and a rookie minimum a rookie. Minimum salary cap. I don't know that would always kind of looked at it. And said i wonder if team would comply. I'm sure someone must said something. I know this league look. They're already bitching about kucherov right. Of course yeah no. Somebody's gonna complain. He's coming back in the playoffs. So convenient there in a cap pickle the one time i know there was an investigation although nobody would confirm it to me but i'm pretty sure there was investigation. I know there was an ncw players. Signed a few years ago where he got a second contract went after he signed he played very poorly. And nobody would confirm it to me. But i'm convinced it happened. Okay so they go. That bought farm asked to really interesting question. Peter scott not from a farm. No that's not a bad farm name at. Hey peter scott asks what do you to think of this potential rule change. Don't let teams on the penalty. Kill ice the puck. Why allowed him. The broke rule gain an advantage. That's another one that i've always wondered about. I've wondered about that over the time. Actually i did want to ask colin campbell about that. Have you ever thought about that. And he actually said yes. It has come up in conversation. He was worried about injury. Yes yes a-. The only thing that i've ever wondered about is if you have again. If your hockey players are too tired that can lead injury. This did make me think of another thing that i wanted to get on this podcast eventually. Okay it's the end of a period. Okay there's a team on the power play and there's forty seconds left on the power play but the period ends two teams going to the dressing room comeback out for the next period. Where's the face off whereas the face off center is why. Oh you're saying it should be in the zone right. Should be in the in the power play zone in the offensive zone for that power play. Why dragon it back out to center. You have some horrendous ideas. That one's not bad. Okay i did all right on that one okay. Our next question comes to us from rich franklin Using the hashtag ask thirty one rich by the way. Vpo sponsorship in sales for the portland winter hawks of the western hockey league. This isn't a hockey question if you could go back in time and see one band or singer perform. What would the band's lashed singer be. And at what time in the past i would have to say in this really dates me like beatles on ed sullivan would you early beatles or late beatles at that time to watch them break into north america. The united states You wouldn't even have to go to. The show dischord of the airport when the olympics. I'm saying like at that time. The beginning of the beatles. I think that would be huge. The other choice. I would say aside from the beatles is around the fall of the berlin wall. There were some big concerts in east and west germany in nineteen ninety seven. It was david bowie. Genesis and the arrhythmia in west berlin and in thousand nine hundred eighty eight bruce springsteen who i love played in east berlin. I think that would be the one to see. Bruce springsteen in east germany just think of what the world was like in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight for those of you who are around to see it so to me. It's not only the concert. It's what's going on around. You say the beatles breaking the united states or bruce springsteen playing in east berlin. it's not just the act. It's what's going on around the world at the time i like that. Where were you the first zappa album. I ever got from drum teacher. Mark french who played briefly with blue rodeo on the casino album and he gave me this. He's like this is going to change your life and it did was roxy and elsewhere Double live album from the nineteen seventy-three band and to me that is the best band. Zappa ever assembled that. Had pulled murphy. And george duke and fowler's chester thompson and ralph humphreys on drums. Are ruth underwood to me. One thousand nine hundred seventy three zappa band that era the one that was on roxy and elsewhere that would be my favorite that would be that would be the one that i want a particular location probably where they recorded it right like at the roxy that would be the spot for me That was recorded in a couple of different places actually but mainly india at the roxy. I could be there for that. And i still go back to roxy and elsewhere But the roxie theater in hollywood for the roxy and elsewhere recording with that band author so good. That would be the one for me. Is the one regret that i ever have like. I never got a chance to see that. But he didn't play toronto at ton to begin. With and i became a fan after he had played his last show in toronto. That was the one i've seen is. I've seen diesel. Play a jillion times He tours his father's music But never saw frank and would love to have seen that band. Great question rich How about this one. I said we're going to get their osas the hotdog one. I got into it from brian. Tiber i got into a huge debate. Work last night so we put a pool together not including grilling so grilling out. What's your preferred way to cook a hotdog boiling microwave. Searing in a skill the oven or an air. Fryer are your choices. I of those choices. I would take seriously skillet. I probably would too. But i'm super lazy and just boil it. Yeah but the thing is you know. I'm super lazy to. I'm not going to claim any kind of motivated human being. But you know. I think if you really wanna make a good hot dog and i'm committed to the bit i'm going with the skillet to go the extra mile after this is over. I'm even cleaning it properly. If you're going to use his skill you have to respect the skillet. You have to clean it properly. And what is your topping. Because you were grossed out by mustard and onions what gross you out the muster. The onions of the com- both it depends on what kind of onions were talking about. Here i should have clarifies. Oh if i didn't okay. I know i think it's more like the princess and the pea if they're chopped or diced onions. I'm okay with that. I'm not crazy on hotdogs with like the whole caramelized onion kind of deal like that. Who i may mustard relish diced iranian red. Hot pepper. kinda guy. So like a ballpark dog. That's kind of what you put on at the ballpark but not all ballparks have good hot peppers like if the hot peppers of been have been sitting there plastic container and they're kind of warmed up or cooled down. You gotta have like chris pot peppers that have some edge to them that make your mouth go on fire. That's what i want. Bring your own ziplock dude. Don't leave it to chance jeff. maybe i should. Maybe i should bring my own peppers to baseball games possible. Don't leave at the chance man. My friend mindy. She brings hot sauce in her purse everywhere. She goes because she's that fanatic about like super hot sauce. I got a lotta respect flat. A ton of respect One from marco lucia ni. Just want to get it out there. find out why the gt h. L. has cancelled the season yet. We talked about the gtl on this podcast. They haven't cancelled it yet because everybody the ha all of them are all waiting for the. Oh off the on cherry au hockey federation to officially cancel the season. No one wants to go before the always jeff does from mark perot. Are you reading any good pro wrestling books right now. Do you have any good ones to recommend. Let's just extend that to. What are you reading right now. I got a few that. I always have three or four on the go and actually it's interesting because one of them i just picked up You ever read a book. It's a wrestling book. It's called drying heat. I'll lend it to you. If you've never said the one by a guy like jim friedman or something like that. Yes you don't okay. You know the one. I'm so impressed that you know. Well i'll tell you why. I know that book because my first year roommate in university a guy by the name of matthew lebeau. He took anthropology twenty at western and that was one of the books assigned to it after he was done with it. So this is nine hundred ninety. After he was done with he gave me the book. I have it here somewhere. It's so good. It's amazing and it's funny because jim friedman's and anthropologists so that would that would make a lot of sense. And it's his. Look at the dave mckinney circuit. The barrowman and this is back. This is years and years ago and they would run small town circuits and there are some of the guys i got to know later on lifelong wolfman willie farkas who passed away. A few years i got to know him A little bit when i was When i was covering wrestling he was an older dude by then. Behrman run shows like andrei and the chic and all these old school guys. It is a really interesting look at the small town wrestling circuit in ontario. I'm also reading. Barbara tuchman guns of august which is about the lead up to world war. One all my god. That's so funny. That's a long walk man. Oh dude and you know what. There's so many different books on that exact same topic and nobody can agree. It is to me. The one question about history that i don't think will ever be answered accurately like the effects of that were still being felt today. Like just look at the map. I just look at the world. I'm going to happen. And how we all live all set by world war one and we still don't have a handle on why it started or how it started really so that will be an endless fascination always for me but the one hockey book that i do have on the go is a book by the name of ian fife is called on his own side of the puck. The early history of hockey rules So this one is real interesting. And i know i always get snarky and taco. Oh well you know. I'm a pure as well if you're a purist like then let's go back to you know the montreal rules of eighteen seventy seven. Let's go back to the halifax you'll get at. What point are you saying. You're appears because essentially when people say. Oh i'm purist that just means i like things the way they were when i i understood them because hockey rules are always evolving. But that's a great hockey breed. That i have always like four or five on the go. I'm pretty sure you're the same way. Yeah i do too. I have a couple of some reading rate. Now i mean i'm committed next getting through To dealing with brandt. Moore's book painkiller. Oh nice yeah. I'm gonna do that one and Dave king's book. He sat it. You know what the caleb dahlgren books so it's good it's been wild. I mean we had burke's book. We had nick spoke. We had I'm looking right now. At harney ryan's book james dot these book like there's a lot of people we know in hockey. Were putting books and i wanna i wanna make sure i get to the mall. You and me are the only ones putting out books. That's just it. It's just you and me. But i will do one jeff at one but i'm not ready for it because i'm gonna be unsparing particularly on myself. I'm not. I'm not ready for it yet. Breath and people will read that and say too harsh. Well maybe but that's my choice right. Sure what about you. I don't know that i've really done enough to justify a book about myself. It would have to be a book about something else. Not you know i disagree. I think you've had a very interesting life and maybe just interesting to me. I disagree about that. i really do. I think think you know you've talked a little bit about some of the things you've been through. I wanna hear about you wrestling coyotes in the backyard of your them every night man. It's awesome. I could do a book about my adoption. That's what i could do because that would be a book that could help people. Yeah i could do that. One found my birth mom and the rebound my birthday. But i could do that. But i think also like you've had an interesting path year career occidental totally accidental but. I think a lot of us are like that. Like how many of us hit fifty. Like we've hit fifty and their life goes the way that you think you do like maybe thought you'd always be here. See that's the thing that makes it even more valuable to me. I think that you're a guy who got to where you hope to go. But you never. But the path wasn't anywhere close to the way you thought you get there. I honestly i'm i think mentioned to before. I think that the only thing that is unique about me in this industry is that. I don't set goals but i don't either. I just try to be as authentic and is hard working as a can every day. And i see where it takes me. That's it it's it's almost like meeting someone for the purposes of breaking up with them. I don't try to set a goal that way like. That's how i always think it's a very non-sports way to think but that's the way i always have but i know i'm like that too. I'm like that too. So i understand where you're coming from here but if someone told you and your fifty you'd be the host of a weekly national game in the nhl. You would've said yes. I want that right. What is strong. I'd say well that's interesting with me here for crying like seriously like there would be part of me. That would say like yeah. I want that there would be kind of interesting but the interest would be will. How did you get there. Well that's my point like how did that happen. Almost jeff nice speaking different languages here. Do you understand what i'm trying to say like. Please back me on this. I get you okay. Thank you so jeff. That's my whole point is that you're in an interesting place and your route to get. There was very different. Like it's never linear we all think we're going to do or say cause i think you're like me. You don't really set balls. Nope but we all kind of think. Okay we're going to go on this path to get where we want to go and that never happens. The road gets blocked or something happens. And now you've got to figure out what's my way to get on the proper path. And i think you have a very interesting journey. Well i appreciate that. And i've just realized the book that i wanna write k. A book approach you. Oh god forbid like all right you know too much. that's right. We'll wrap up thanks to everyone for playing along Things everyone who sent in The ask thirty one questions and thanks to caleb dahlgren again please check out. His book crossroads My story of tragedy and resilience as humble bronco. Caleb bless you man. You have a beautiful story. You're a wonderful man. You have a great family and it was a real pleasure real pleasure having you on the podcast elliott. You know we should do. We should end with this week. What's that the buffalo sabres booster club. We referenced it earlier. Nineteen seventy five. We're going to win that cup. Nice call hockey. Needs booster clubs again. That's what this sport really needs. We're gonna win that cup. Buffalo sabres booster song for the playoffs for the swords back in one thousand nine hundred ninety five. Thanks for listening. Pretty one man around got regard. Roger that saves the france comebacks does Say garin big jericho. No way. We got a real bad big big bang say.

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Hideo Kojember - Metal Gear

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Hideo Kojember - Metal Gear

"Right. Now, an ear, we'll three down with Scott Ackerman Laura lab guests and Paul F Tompkins has returned for season three and this time it's free for everyone check it out now wherever you get your podcasts for more follow Eero Fencer shall meakin happy listening. Hey all it's wider. If you WANNA listen to how did this get played without ads and get access to all our exclusive premium bonus episodes. The only way to do that is by signing up for stitcher premium just go to stitcher premium dot com or the premium tab in your stitcher APP and sign up with Promo Code Played P. L. A. Y. E. D.. To get a free month of stitcher premium. You'll get ad free listening to how did this get played and all your favorite ear wolf and stitcher shows plus our premium exclusive bonus episodes, and you'll be directly supporting our show to that stitcher premium dot com Promo Code played for a free month of premium listening. Thanks. Matt this is solid wider. I have a new mission for you mission an entire month dedicated to the worst. Of Legendary. Hold on I'm getting another someone else. Someone. Else's calling. All right. Hello it's still me Oh hold I'm just I'm with Smith. Okay. I'm not hold on. Let me turn to Mute my notifications. Okay here we go. Okay. Tire month dedicated to the gates of Koji. I'd still is that you is that. It's not you want to do. You want to call me back. I don't I I'll hang up I'll try you. Okay. Here Okay Matt this is solid Weicker. I have a new mission for you. Okay. I got that part of it you can kind of pick up you were going. By a bunch. Now. It's just keeps. It doesn't stop now it's just constant. I can't you know what? Abort the mission. Mission aboard it. Matt are. You there man? We Infiltrate Outer Heaven and destroy the ultimate weapon in. Ms. msmx to classic metal gear to begin Hideo Kojima number on how did this get played? Welcome to how did this get played a long form discussion of games bad strange and notable. I'm nick wider along with Heather Anne Campbell. Oh That Shit, are you trying ahead of the trolls man? Are you trying to get ahead of them? Things are changing around here? Shit while you're put his big boy pants on. That's right. I don't know. We'll see people probably podcast listeners being what they are and being so used to things being the same. To to just like the inertia of what are what were previously exists. We might get some pushback for excising worse than weirdest in in favor of games bad strange and notable but I feel like that more accurately encompasses what we cover on the show because I'm desert newcomer game that's just sort of noteworthy. Or you know what? I'm GonNa Change Notable the noteworthy. Wow. and. And but that can just Be a fun discussion for I. Don't know I mean that's that's what I am an advancing. As our new intro for the show. So we're wh what are the three it's Bad Rain Range and note worthy. Yeah. Bad strange noteworthy that acid. That's good and you know what? That's a fucking shirt. Yes. That sounds like sex with NICK WIDER COME UP. Oh Man. Up on twitter and instagram. Played prodigy come. Six one six. My name is Heather Anne Campbell and I'm alongside our producer Matt Opera. Doc Hello everyone. Everyone and welcome back bucket edge. Guys. We have an amazing amazing theme that we are kicking off with this week's episode for the entire month of November. This is the thing we've been talking about for awhile and I think we're we're excited to be doing although I think we're quickly learning how overwhelming it is to do in practice yes it's. It's like doing a we're we're doing I'll say them on the month is Hideo Kojima over. Long exploration of the Games of Deo Kojima. So we're doing we're doing all Kojima Games for the month of November, which is kind of like you know saying, Hey, we're gonNA spend a month discussing the novel's of Leo Tolstoy you know. We have committed to consuming a lot of content. But I'm. A lot to do it's a lot to process and and there's a reason we're picking some of the Games we're doing over some others. But I mean like it's I'm very excited to get into this and I'm having a lot of fun so far with what I've played as far as what's on the docket yes. Also I was supposed to have some time off here and I am not getting that time off. So I was like Oh. Yeah I got this. We're GONNA, have all this free time? A wake-up believe my breakfast I'll exercise, and then I'll Hideo Kojima my way through CO gender but. But I am not getting that we are still working in. So I'm I mean I'm very grateful for my work and I don't want to sound like I'm complaining about my job not at all not at all. But Boy Oh boy this doubling up we're doubling up here. Did you try hitting them with one of these? But it's Code Jimbo her. You WanNa, make any work, but it's go. I should hit up my boss. Try One of but then the problem is heathers boss is gonNA say Bah Humbug. Put even the magic of Co Gem. Yes. Sure. Why not? So what are your guys history? I mean I I think part of why we WANNA talk about we want to choose this topic. Where we descended into gaming hell, it's To spend seventy seconds Gaming Evan, I see you I. See you nick is trying to strip away our one of two functioning segments in they show. I'M NOT GONNA. fucking. Let it happen. All right. Go for. DACA why you start us off, go for it other Oh man. So I have recently gotten a Mega SSD, which is a cartridge that allows you to play. A backup. ROMS. and. For Your Genesis or your master system or here's the big kicker, your SEGA CD and has everybody on this podcast. Knows I was a second kid I have a great collection of sexy games but. SEGA CD drive starting sound pretty rapidly. So plugging this in and not having to worry about audio problems or like the constant like. Is. It sounds like seventy drive dragging a hubcap across the street like it was bad sound and I was like this is going to go any day. So got the Mega St and I've been playing second CD Games in part for Hideo Kojima. And I recently for the first time tried record of low dose war, second CD and the insured of that game almost made me cry. I beg you to look it up online because it is a sensitive beautiful way to intro yourself. Yes. Go ahead and watch this right now I mean 'cause I I'll just open up a window and watch the kind of made of stone. So I think it kind of be hard to wrap me. Let's see. Let's go ahead and watch this wait hold. ooh. ooh. I gotTA stop. So what to listener needs to know? Is that Nick wijers camera was off for the. Beginning of this podcast from start until right about now when he had a visual joke for us. It was worth it. We all agree it's worth it. Yeah we. Know People are writing about it right now I'm hearing all of that. They're saying you're going. gangbusters. I'm also plan. Haiti's is still love and eighty S. We're done. This segment comes up why going man? I'm in love with Everett Idea Donna Isis what. Again talking about which Greek deities he loves. Play the game understand. Let's so Hideo Kojima part part of why we wanted to do this theme Party went to Do Co. Jember is that matinee? Both love the the metal gear franchise and. But Heather. Kojima is one of and all three of US loved death stranding just debt stranding just like fucking favorite game of the generation tear dislike fucking unmissable experience. And it and. So part of why we want to talk about this though is that heather you have something of a blind spot if I can say so in terms of Kojima and that you haven't played a lot of his games other than. I have I have played. Zero Kojima Games until this month before death stranding. So zero. And that I knew I tried metal gear solid. Here's what happened I tried middle year solid when it came out and so put off by the control scheme and by like the sort of just like grim militant aesthetic of it I was like well, this game's not for me and never ever dipped my toe back into that pool and that's yeah that's on me I've read essays about how good this series is and I never I was like well, wow. What an incredible experience this other person had not assuming that I would have a shared experience in a Jima game. And and I've got. I've got his I've got his. Second game on CD now and it's. I'm telling you guys. I've missed out on twenty eight years of great. Games, because of this blindspot, I'm really excited about the month. What I'll say is like other than the metal gear franchise I haven't really messed around with Cogema's other works, and that's what I'm excited to explore you with the game. You're talking about a snatcher, which is one of the ones we are going to review on the show that I've just getting my feet wet as of this record but it is It's a just like a really. Again just his world building is so cool and I understand your reticence to get into metal gear solid because if you're just starting to play it. It does kind of just feel like, okay. This could at least at the very beginning is or at least in the first little stretch of the of the that you know. A shadow Moses Island. that. Whole infiltration mission it can feel a little bit like, Oh yeah. Well, this is like what any sort of military game. This is like a call of duty you know. But yeah, it's like an even though that game predates the call of duty franchise anyway. As, but as you get into it, I think if you'd reach the point where you learn that. One of your collaborators codenames is a Portmanteau of new convention. You would have been completely on board heather. Yeah I didn't. I. Didn't even know there were Mex- in this year until I read articles about metal gear solid to and at that when I was like well, five fucking law I'm no long or like I'm not I'm not here for it right? When a MEK showed up in this game I was like. I knew this coming sort of, but I yeah. I I. Really Those First Twenty, thirty minutes of the game. I'm not the kind of person who likes it call of duty game so I was just like. I don't WanNa fuck and walk around and like kill or not kill or whatever. Yes. To people like I'm not into this. The and the MAC is the titular metal gear like that's like the you know the the metal gears were talking about our Max interestingly, and we'll as we get into this game, we'll talk about it in more depth but that was one of the things that was cut when they ported this game. With reported this week's game metal gear from MSN to any S as they cut their the the metal gear encounter at the very end, there's no MEC at all. It's a supercomputer instead. Know what what are you? Are you saying that to me like I don't know I know. We have people who are listening to the show I read. It. I did my homework I played the game I know if you go by listens, it maybe seems like this podcast is just for the three of us but. Fact. listenership. There's not it's a but yes, I I want to say a gonNa either please I will one day I'm going to. This month is going to be a lot of me like like putting forward like I. Talk a Big Game About Games like I'm off this big game collection I've got a fucking shelf of Super Nintendo Sega CD like a big. I'm learning so much about video games this month. Injured percent I did not know that the MS X.. Rated until we played this game I was like when when we're like, oh, we should play it on the msmx because so much stuff was changed in cut in the any s version I was like the what like I thought it was like one of those like turbo graphics variants or something like Oh it's the. Duo engine. You know at home hotel. Installation. I never heard of this and it was also the msmx to this game was developed for right. I mean I think this was maybe In the sequels msmx to I could be wrong. But either way these are platforms that weren't released in the US and I've heard of them. Understandably though I mean this was this was way back in the day. This was before even the Internet when this was happening. So you wouldn't even known of its existence you know. So it's. The, any s port of metal gear as kind of stripped down in Mangold and Kojima has washed his hands of his basically just said like this is not mine this version of metal gear. Mike can I tease this? Is that my lease maybe maybe we were wrong one of them is from Kajima, about the. Very excited. But it's also the any s version because of its popularity in. North, America was. Such an important entry in the franchise gets. Introduced me to the series and it sold like insanely. It's all like a million copies in the US and it's still a very playable game. It's just got a lot that's that's changed from. It's from the Creator's original vision. But Let let's step back for a second. I do want to talk about Kojima a little bit and you know you talked about your blind spots are you talking about a little bit about things you're learning how they're in your own blind spot and for me what I'll say is even as a fan of of the metal gear series what? I've just encountered is much like solid snake's accelerated aging as I have been aging, I just miss out on certain games and so the Games I've never played are and they're not ones were visiting for this month but I've never played metal gear solid four or five, and if I go back to be playing metal gear solid a playstation wander metal gear solid two and on playstation two, the idea that I would jump jump ahead a decade and change and I'd just be like so busy with adult responsibilities fuck in working at garbage jobs and central that sort of Shit. Like miss out on parts four and five. It seems unthinkable but I just never I didn't get around to playing them at the time and then I haven't revisited the sense. So. I don't know. It's it's. Just revisiting the series and looking through all the lower and everything. It's been interesting because this is such a a series with such such unbelievable lore. It's been interesting to to recognize they own the parts that I have where I'm just like, Oh, I didn't play this entry or yeah. I'm as not super familiar with this with this part guy think I think at the end of this month, we should all circle up and talk about this stuff that we've learned both about ourselves and about names in general like we should like. We we should in this like an episode of sailor. Well, maybe not sailor moon they never learned anything but like gi Joe would be like and that's the real battle or whatever the fuck. They'd say I don't know I didn't watch. Maybe. Thought. That's more than tone for sure. Yeah. I am curious and Matt. I. Want to hear a little bit of your thoughts on on. As well or or the metal gear series or or just like fucking anything you want to say. I will here's what I'll say so I grew up in the I. Mean. I. Would Watch my uncle I've talked about this before I used to watch my uncle play games like more than I would play games myself. I would go to my grandma's house and then watch my uncle just play whatever new game he got, and sometimes I wouldn't be very interested. In other times I would just be like I don't know what I'm watching and I can't stop and one of those was metal gear and I was like I don't know why this speaks to me but. I was very into it. I watched him like go all the way through metal gear and metal gear to. Or you know Medicare solid one and two and. I guess my my first male gear that I played on my own was metal gear solid three snake eater, which I've said is one of my all time favorite guess period I you know the best of the series and again you know I have a couple I have some games I haven't played in the series. But if you kind of it seems like they can senses that metal gear solid three is necessary. So good and I've messed around with four and five we'll just like they seemed so big. That I was just like I I'm daunted by the size of like and scope of this. So I just never finished but I metal gear solid three for me was like the first game that I played where I felt like I wasn't playing games for kids anymore or I was like instead of like a game based off a movie that I liked or like, right A game that seems like it was for kids I was like Oh shit. This is like this is. This is a grown-up game. So I love that game I also played. I've only played that metal gear myself and. Peace Walker for PS. which is also great and I think set. In. A similar time to snake eater Oh and then my other only experience with it is death stranding, which I've been texting. You guys I'm you know we'll get into well I well, maybe we'll talk more about that some day. We could just tell the audience schedule. We haven't heard. We have sure. Let's be let. Let's do it. Okay. So right now you're about to hear US talk about metal gear. That's this episode next snatcher right Dan metal gear solid two. Sons of list of liberty, and then after that, we're talking PT Baby, we're GONNA go. And then after that de stranding part two, five Mondays in co Jimbo, how lucky are we? Wow. It's a code. Jimbo Miller. God. Bless US every one. Look heathers bosses hardest turn lives ECHO gender now. If, you think you may be depressed or you're feeling overwhelmed or anxious better help online counseling offers licensed professional therapist who are trained to listen and to help for anxiety loss difficulty in achieving your goals anger self esteem and more. It's simple. You fill out a questionnaire to help assess your specific needs and then get matched with a counselor and under forty eight hours. Then you can easily schedule secure video or phone sessions. Plus exchange unlimited messages to communicate with therapist at your convenience. Everything you share is confidential. 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See to the naked eye trains often appear to be further away and moving slower than they are, and they can't stop quickly. Even if the engineer hits the emergency brakes right away, it can take a train over a mile to stop over a mile to stop. By that time it's too late and the result is a potentially deadly crash. The point is you can't know how quickly the train will arrive. The train can't stop quickly even if it's easier, it ends in disaster. If the signals are on the train is on its way. And you just need to remember thing stop. Trains can't. Now. I think some people who are maybe listening who are metal the metal gear franchises so huge and maybe if you're a real metal gear head, if you're if you're a Superfan of that franchise, you might be going like wait you're you're you're not talking about metal gear sell you're not talking about metal gear solid three you know. I mean you're not talking about four or five I mean. It's like what are you doing but I think the way to think about it is and I don't know why immediately getting defensive but I just anticipating. Comments I guess but I'm just like I think the way to think about it is like if you were gonna say like Hey let's talk about all. Let's talk about George Lucas for a month that. That doesn't necessarily mean, Hey, we're going to do five star wars films over Monday's wait. You know what I mean we but you went with George Lucas where I mean like arguably you'd be like American graffiti in the rest should be Star Wars Right I. Think let's say Okay Fuck Fine George George Lucas a bad comparison James Cameron. Let's say we're going to James Cameron We go avenue. But I did Avatar. Hypothetical future where all five Avatar movies have come out and all in sequence become the biggest. Movies in box office history. I liked in that future. James Cameron podcast would not necessarily just cover the avatar franchise and you WanNa hit up your terminating titanic's exactly. You Might WanNa do the abyss just to get weird. Yeah. You Do Parana to you do true lies. You do strange days which he wrote and then you would do. You probably do aliens right aliens. Yeah. Millions is an option and I think there's there's maybe something to you know. Because because that was that was a terrible list just positioned in the. Past like Oh. Yeah. That's what we would do. Here's A. List True lies is awesome. It's racist. We can't watch that. We cannot do about guest about you lies I. You're asking me Nick Weicker. I think we should do a podcast about lies and talk about and defend it. No. It's a but that's kind of our approach is like we wanted to not just do a metal gear solid month we wanted to be like, Hey, let's tackle some other games that are maybe less heralded less known but are also like you know interesting and and I think you know certainly certainly debt stranding one hundred percent as we already know. Fits that profile but I think at as does as the snatcher and certainly PT, is notable for its own reasons. But let's get into metal gear way we do I want to say that we also flirted with the idea of doing police knots and so I investigated how to. Play police knots on Saturn, which is the uncut version of police knots find. Yourself. Turn my camera off. So I investigated how to. Play police nonce in English on the Saturn. And I've only played the first I don't know three minutes of that game in. It's fucking crazy. Already, it starts with live action footage of a bunch of people going to space La and like clips of space race and I don't know what the rest of the game is, but I was like. There are some tropes and there are some Their Kajima asked tropes yet that we will start c e start the genesis, the soil from which these tropes blossom we can see. At. The level of msmx metal gear. One one, hundred percent. You're absolutely right a lot of a lot of themes. A lot of characters a lot of just like you know names of things are just are set up in in this. This is I first game Let's get into metal gear which was released in one thousand, nine, hundred, seven. My notes are telling me the your initial thought was correct heather it was for the msmx to computer and then later reported to the NS. Can I read translated from the Japanese msmx to in conversion manual. What this game is about? Yes. Please near the wait hold on. Can we have some? Can we have like a? Can you choose a the background music from the game like the first over world music to play underneath my reading of this map DACA would that work? Yeah, we do that. Yeah. It'll. You'll hear it now but you'll hear it later. I don't believe you I. Don't believe you at all. It's going to happen for sure. You know there's now how did I said I don't believe you. There's no way it will. It will be my voice in silence. No I could do that I couldn't do it together I. I trust. Way. The last episode I this big epiphany about humans and like how I'm the problem but I think right now I'm not the problem I think you're GonNa do this to me up here I'm going to play it now. So you know for sure that it's going to happen. All right great. Wow. Near the end of the twentieth century, a Special Forces unit was founded in secrecy in order to deal with the local insurgency, regional conflicts and terrorist activities. Its name is Special Forces Group Fox out. The unit specializes in carrying out unconventional warfare by infiltrating into hostile territory in total secrecy, which are politically sensitive to intervene through normal military force they are regarded as the modern day equivalent of Ninjas. That's that's the beginning I mean, I could read the whole. Really good. But I mean. There's some really good text. There's some good. Angie. Squad you're eating a chili. Some good text. Oh Yeah Hey. What what were that Mommy text? You know that just sort of that really savory. Teeth into now, we're while we're reading of from the manual. Can I read the? From the US, any s manual, which was which has some invented weird noncanonical. Jingoistic Lore that is. maybe offensive on the level of true lies wow matt. Matt puts music, under, this please. All right. Vermin Khadaffi, terrorist at large colonel. Vermin cut. Taffy a once tranquil shepherd boy who grew up on the remote banks of the Sam Sam River in Outer Mongolia, with his twenty seven sisters turned to terrorism at an early age. Now, after years of pillaging innocent people, he has taken control about her heaven. A small nation on the outskirts of South Africa here is the sole tyrant and radical dictator rules with bullets and bombs and only a few months he has outlawed democracy and turned harmless villagers and mercenaries for a global terrorist network. Qadhafi does not appear in the game. The bad guys in the manual called the elite scum squad, not not not reflected at all. They made a they made a sequel to this without Kojima permission for any any snes only sequel called snake's revenge, which is reviled by by many. It has a few defenders bad guy in snake's revenge is called Higher Rolla cockamamie which is a pun on eighties. US Villain I A- Tola Komeini so it's it's just like a bunch of just fucking weird swings and whiffs it at. War Nationalism in here why June that we Kojima in the version that heather read gave you like like you said that you mommy that's like Some, really like meaty and then. made it wack. Yeah. It's. It's a bummer. Also, the rest of the the manual is I mean like I didn't read it because it's a lot and that's a theme I think of Kajima says like. I'm texts there's a lot of taxed more is cut scenes keep going one hundred percent, but like it's so it's so good and it's so interesting. Like. I mean like. Guys I'm really excited I'm really excited about this month. So May to one hundred percent and even playing this game I was like. So again, I'd only played any s version never played the msmx version one thing I'll say is that Version we were all playing is the one that's included with metal gear solid three subsistence. So as playing an on the playstation, three's now what you guys are playing hold on wait we let's let's talk story real quick real real quick just setting. Okay. Yes. So There is a terrorist organizations which is a separatist state in Africa which is called Outer Heaven and your boss Big boss sends you on a mission to infiltrate outer. Heaven. You are playing solid snake, a rookie soldier who has recently enlisted into Fox Hound, which is a What is Fox on? What would you call it a? Special Forces Group. Paragraph. You are dropped off in the game with nothing you're you have a wireless transceiver and your fists and you collect items in as you infiltrate this base, try to rescue hostages and eventually disarm disable and destroy their ultimate weapon metal gear, which you find out is a nuclear armed walking Mech and it can cover any kind of terrain launch nuclear missiles that can hit anywhere in the world, and the goal of this weapon is to allow outer heaven to become a nation state recognized in the world and allowed to influence global affairs. And I think the figure I don't know if you mentioned it somewhere in there but the figure that you're communicating with throughout the game on your, it's not called a Kodak in this. I forget what they what they call Your Trans I. Think He's just called Your Trans Transceiver Yeah you're communicating with your transceiver again, you know that I think that's that's established in the very first one that continues on for every entry in the franchise is a big boss yeah. Okay. Then I'm sorry it big boss is a hugely important character in the metal gear cannon. And you know what is your player character in previous entries? I just want to talk about the chronology of the series real quick because it is very complicated in terms of. This is the first game that was made in the franchise, but it comes somewhere in the middle of the chronology. So kind of like you know kind of like Star Wars Star Wars at a new hope is kind of like in the middle of where everything that their entries that came before and after that are canonical. The. The sequel metal gear to solid snake takes place afterwards. So that's the other one that's also on the msmx to a metal gear solid, which is kind of. The Way I think to think about the metal gear metal gear to solid snake in metal gear. Solid Games is kind of like and this may be someone else's comparison that I'm stealing that can't remember what the sources but I but I think this is useful is that if you're familiar with the evil dead franchise, it's kind of like metal gear. This game is like evil dead middle gear to solid snake, which I messed around a little bit with and watched full play through with and it is fascinating because it's such a it's like a Super Mario World to Super Mario Brothers offer this game that that one was never I don't think released stateside prior to meddle yourself three subsistence. And so that it's kind of like like evil dead has metal gear metal gear to is kind of evil to it's it's just the same story. The same basic concept allow the same set pieces, reb remade but with a higher production value higher level Polish and then metal gear solid is kind of army of again kind of just making the same sort of thing. Again, the same character you know, but just a little bit more Polish and a little bit more of an audience for it. But the jump from metal gear to metal gear solid is so vast from this metal gear solid that it's kind of like if. You know in in North America Super Mario Brothers came out, and then we didn't see another Super Mario until Super Mario. Sixty four came out. There's no Super Mario to three or world to bridge the gap. You're just kind of like Whoa this series, this is fucking huge leap. And I think that that's also the there's like I think one of the things that's incredible about this game is that all of this stuff that he's setting up in this game comes back and shows up and all is later games Like if I I'm I'm guessing that if he didn't own all of the words in this that these concepts sort of shown up even death stranding because a lot of these concepts. Cross bred into all of his other media this. Is like his sandbox and he's like these are the things that I like and I'm just GonNa keep sculpting them over the course of the next thirty years. That's awesome. It's like it's like if the jet I showed up in. Oh boy. Is it red wings. Details there is. Red. Tails. Read Tales Lou. Indiana Jones shows up in radioland murders. All right. You're absolutely right. It's it's fucking awesome and I just like the the Lore for this is so complicated and so incomprehensible even if you're you have to be a scholar, you have to be like someone who studies like proosed but for Kojima to really understand and and decipher everything that's going on here. It's kind of like I feel like the metal gear franchises for people who felt like the narrative and kingdom hearts was too straightforward. It's so just jumps all over the place and so many characters and and and so much backstabbing and you know double crossing and reveals I. It's it's it's just fucking Rad. But let's let's get into the game play a little bit. So the big thing here is this was one of their early efforts at a at a stealth game now. I thought this was the progenitor of Stealth Games. I thought this was the one. Who may very well be maybe. Five read they. Kojima was asked by the developers to create a military game and I was like, well, what if I'm in military game were you you weren't supposed shoot anybody and there's bosses were like what the fuck are you serious and apparently he also put on twitter. A bunch of his original design documents complete with their rejection stamps on the original pages for the MS Ex. Metal Gear, which is. A real. Nice. Fuck you to whoever? Who Said No. But this game. was new it was new to avoid enemies to the best of your ability. Now, I will say on that level, it fails like there is no punishment for for avoiding enemies you have infinite punching like it's not like you tired from punching like it's in most of the game it is conceptual that you would avoid the enemies. If not a little bit harder I found significantly easier to hide behind a thing. For the most part and when when when you get further in, it's easier to run away from them or avoid them especially when you get to like cameras or things that you can't physically harm. But initially it's like. Void detection as best as you can solid snake and it's really easy to just punch those dudes and right and take him out. Well, I'll say I mean you know an and I knew this before even started this podcast but I'm not as good at video games as you are heather and I found this game on its default difficulty anyway, pretty challenging like I feel like it's pretty easy to get Shit House if you if you you know are are detected and you can you can get overwhelmed pretty easily. So I but. But I get what you're saying that like it's kind of crude from a stealth standpoint because it doesn't have a lot to it beyond don't get seen. In someone and remember cone of vision in this one, it's just like don't come into basically their immediate line of sight, their immediate proximity. So and and then as far as dispatching them, it's nothing like you could sneak behind them and you you choke them out or something. You know there's there isn't even like a crouch mechanic you just literally run up to them and punch them a bunch of times before they notice him before they can start shooting you. But it is like a little limited in terms of how the stealth actually works but it is just cool. Am what I remember from it as a kid is just like One of the things that really stuck with me from playing this game as a kid. That has been a thing again, it's a very simple thing but something that I think is is st six in everyone's head from earth throughout the metal gear franchise is that you could in a cardboard box to evade detection, which I was always just like this is the fucking coolest thing imaginable especially from. From. Kids like imagination standpoint of like, Oh, I can pretend to be at a spy by hiding under a fucking. Box of fish sticks like that's like the fucking coolest thing in the world and that it exists in this game, it's such such a novel interesting mechanic. And again something that Kinda got established and explored later on the franchise I will say that I have even with no familiarity outside of like articles and like smash brothers reveals of the franchise. Had, this sort of vague pop culture consciousness of it and I knew about things like Outer Heaven Big boss and the cardboard box- I was shocked the boxes in this game it feels like believe it. It also feels like like having it in this game was a cool idea that Jim had, and then he was like once he started making the Games in Three D. and this is all conjecture. This is not something I've read he was like, wouldn't it? Be Funny if we kept the box leg right because now, the box itself is like a deployable arms mechanic that you use in a metal gear game but originally, it was like, Hey, that's a really clever way of demonstrating to a player on a very basic video game system how you might be able to control space in a different way by hiding in the box only moving when the cameras aren't on you and then remaining in the box you don't deter. Set off anybody's alarms or. Or whatever. I. Think. One of the things that from playing only stranding, I've only played his second game and his most recent game, this the Lord of you might play. Which? Is that he seems to have taken these concepts from early video games and continued to hold onto them because he thought they were bizarre and. It's like if the Newest Mario was photo realistic and Mario was like eating mushrooms off the ground to become large. Like this is nuts. But he's done it with all these like. They were necessary elements of game play in this first metal year. Does that make sense? Yeah one hundred percent and and you know like. Other elements like the gas mask and the the mine detector, the infrared goggles, things that you discover and need to progress. Putting on it for a red goggles to see Lasers that you have to evade. All that SORTA shed also gets exploited the big one for me because I'm also replaying as we're going to get into since we're GONNA get into Middle Solitu-, I was like I might as well. Replay metal gear solid one it's not that long and like I mentioned isn't a lot of ways a three d version of this game but the remote can control missile sequence using the remote controlled missiles over neck electrified floor is basically just like done verbatim in three d. and metal gear solid. Yeah, it's. It's just really cool that this is the most it feels like a design document for later game right? It feels like he was like, Oh, you would guided missile and it would kind of look like this and it was like a drawing version of something that you would execute in Three D. later. That being said. I, I. Don't know about you nick, but this is not a pleasant game to play. This an enjoyable experience. I agree and like I said, you know I'm glad there's an easy mode in this because it's it's pretty difficult and there's a lot of Not Necessarily backtracking but I feel like if you don't have a guide, I would say if you want to tackle this game, you're just like you have some curiosity played any version as a kid and you WanNa put this up or you just you just want to see how metal gear began get a walk through and play it on easy mode yeah. Because it's just it's it's a lot of the stuff you can miss things that you need because you didn't go on the right track and the the left most truck is the one that has the item that you need to progress in the one in the middle is filled with a you know. Three. Guys with guns were going to completely shut house you. It's just like some of the stuff it feels like is you know very early eight bit design thing said that has an aged well. Yeah. It feel the feeling I had of this game was like I was I had a hard loaf of. Bread with no condiments and somebody was like, yeah. But later, though this will be used to make a sandwich like it is. Enjoyable the that bread like just hard and raw. There's a game mechanic where you you rescue hostages tour, upgrade your rank, right This hostages and you don't become ultimate rank. The last couple of guys won't talk to you like there's ways to get locked in the game. Unable to progress because you are the hostages have died or it's I mean it's unforgiving and it's it's grim like the color Palette is like gray and green and Brown and black is not I. I I want I want to be a fan girl and be like Oh my God it was such an incredible experience like, wow, what a code but this was not fun business this work to get through this game and and I think that that is also the the feeling. I. Got from Middle Gear solid when I played in that like I, thirty minutes like I was like. This is. A rough. This is unenjoyable. Because what you what you felt about playing metal gear solid now because to be honest. My feeling of playing metal gear solid is that. You know I still love the story and still got some great set pieces. But I I was kind of like a kind of playing through and being like you know what I don't know how well this is aged and I. Think the the what what metal gear in metal gear solid share is that they are both in kind of like that early First Gen. Gen Tutti game first, Gen, three game you know what? I mean this is like I kind of figuring out what works and what doesn't work mechanically and as such they're both just a little clunky and a little rough around the edges. Aesthetically. But still with lots of of stuff in it, that's that's really worth your worth your time. I didn't want to talk about one thing real quick, which is that in the N. E., S. version. So, there's some there's some this is just the thing. I think were worth noting any s version was rushed out. The port was really really made quickly and and it had some some really well known translation errors that the two big ones are you both encounter them pretty early on the game but I feel asleep. And then the other botched one is, oh, the truck have started to move. What's wrong? What's wrong with those? Those aren't house. You're supposed to say those. So like I. Feel Asleep you would say maybe I feel sleepy or I fell asleep it's one of those two who can say uh-huh, the truck have started to move. On airs there lay down at night and just go I feel asleep. I mean maybe. Yeah maybe when I'm asleep. Sleep you. I would know do you think if I didn't understand this for real? They, you would think I was in an insane idiot. because. Let me let me tell you. What I just did is an example of the thing that you do on this podcast. I. Got Wired Wow. Another Code Gender Miracle. Breaking up with your old wireless provider just got a whole lot easier. Thanks to mint mobile. They were the first company to sell premium wireless service online only now, Mitt mobile is introducing their unlimited data plan for just thirty bucks a month I mean thirty bucks a month. If I was on that min mobile bland, I would save more than a hundred dollars for. I mean, this is this is incredible. It must I reading this ad I feel like I might. and. 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The robots in the movie or in this game are gold Arnold's right? Yes. which are referenced you Terminator, and I guess had to be changed in subsequent versions of the game. The cover art. Now I'm a little bumped because, I'm going to sell it one way, and then I'm gonNA reveal some information. The cover art from this game is just a tracing of Kyle reese from Terminator. Covered unfortunately could you had nothing to do with that? So I can't be like, Oh, another reference, but I'd like to can we just like ret con it and say to? Kojima didn't. That's not unlike like seeing these things early on. It's a little bit like seeing. It's like. in-depth stranding you die. Hard Man. Like what. But now, I'm like Oh that's the thing. He does that thing he likes that thing that makes you happy. He doesn't in to like machine-gun kid. Has a machine gun or fire trooper who has a flame? He's just very much like this is what they are and this is what they have. Yes. Shotgun or even the name metal gear itself I mean it's it's you know Kojima was not subtle and I. think that's part of why people have is not afraid to be obvious and he's not afraid to be corny and it's just like it's like I. Don't know I mean we talked about James Cameron earlier and and we're talking about James Cameron. Properties. But I think that's kind of like why Cameron resonate so much to have just as much as people WanNa make fun of the Navy and of Avatar using papyrus font for it subtitles. It's just like he has a way of just with his with his just putting stuff on the surface and making things. Obvious. Of. Ending up exploring universal themes that have a lot of appeal to people. He's maker truck driver and he's making movies for regular people. Yeah. I like it I like it and that's going give me canceled in ten years especially. One. One bit of Trivia that I liked the as there's researching this one Kojima big influences other than Super Mario Brothers was a huge game Yuji Horry Developed Dragon quest a legendary figure he made a game called the Porto Pius serial murder case, which is a first person adventure game similar to Snatcher, which were playing in the future but the main character in port-au-prince serial murder case is named boss. And here here you got big boss and you've also got the boss in the metal gear franchise loss a big thing that that that Through its way throughout in the same way that Arnold is president in this game. I mean. Can we talk about those hidden holes in the floor or punching the walls and how much those things suck Sucks Not. Fun In order to progress through certain areas of the game, you have to punch the walls until you find a place that makes a different sound and then you can reveal a corridor and there is no, it's not like. In Mario well, no, it's. It's not like Zelda where there's like a crack in the wall and you not put a bomb there. It's just like everything textured the same and you're just punching walls. Over again. In the same way. There will be holes in the floor that are that are demon soul slash dark souls level difficult where you? Just if you walk over them, you fall that's it like there's no, there's no like Oh if you run and then jump, there's no jumping you like it's an unforgiving it's grim unenjoyable game. And and you know it's I mean like some of this stuff I think is just again that early sort of eight bit design where it's it's it's supposed to be trial and error gameplay. It's supposed to be like, okay there's no way I would have known. This was going to kill me. I just have to remember this for my next play through you know and that's part of how you get. You justify a whatever this game costing forty dollars or fifty dollars nine, hundred, ninety, nine dollars. I will say that that. Because you can extend the game play that way. Oh. I was GONNA. Say another thing just about the this things that Kojima stabs in this in this series. In the MS X. to version so Fourth Wall breaking is a big Kojima staple. He breaks worth wall all the time and you know it's it exists in a very small way in in even this game, which is that so big boss, and this is an element that is present and metal gear solid to the idea that you're helper is going to actually kinda deceive you. But big boss who is now I know that? Spoiler alert he's already. Present and In stranding as well as not, it's like a thing that he likes. Yes. It's a it's. A. It's a convention. Kojima Convention being misled by someone. Take it. You is supposed to be your mentor, but big boss will at at at who ends up being the tagging of this game ultimately. He misleads you and starts telling you to go in the wrong door whatever or to rhino to go the wrong direction, which is great. But then there's even a point where he's like the mission is over turned the MSMX off. You the player to turn your computer off and it just like I. Don't know. That's that's a really cool thing to see in a game and and it's it's we get versions of this repeated in like metal gear solid famously when. You know you have to get a Kodak a Meryl's Kodak off of the back of the CD case, and you have to physically pick up the CD case for the game that you bought and read it off of there in order to progress. Yeah. I. Love Shit like that it's it's like a there's a sense of joy and there's a sense of like childish play with this game and with other Kajima game that I've played death stranding and secretly. I. In order to get ahead on this month I've also been playing snatcher for a while. But there's a sense of like. Didn't. He also a designed Bok Choy is that what it's called number twenty bucks tie but the one where you have to use your Gameboy in the light in order to fight ball yes. Yeah. Of mirth about about that. That's like. Well, okay. What do we have in the room? We know we have our CD case we know the game boys or double. We know that people are all holding controller. We know that the controller is plugged into a certain port like there's there's A. There's a joy in all of those design decisions which you could interpret as annoying trolling but I feel like it's like what common elements we all have while we're playing this game and for me playing on the MSMX. which you would have been if you'd been playing it at the time like I would I probably would shrieked if big boss had been like turn off your, I would've been like, oh Telling me to take like a like a coffee break. So very bizarre. Yeah and and A. Again. It's it's just president. It's it's infant form in this game, but I mean that's that's the case for a lot of it and I think that's why this is an interesting play through but we should get to our final thoughts on metal gear. It's time for the review crew. Review crew. As so Thoughts on this game and give it a new miracle decimal rating. I can begin. I think it's just it's just A. You know it's just a it's just a super important game and I I like it for that reason I think heather spot on that. It's not the most pleasant playthrough it why just it's you know it's a little bit difficult. It's it's got some of those arbitrary challenges that our President Games of this era, but it's got so much cool stuff that I feel like it's worth at least messing around with. And you know it and whatever format, you can get your hands on it if you're interested and similarly for metal gear to solid snake also just it's it's it's interesting to think about metal gear solid snake that it has a lot more cinematics a lot more dialogue. Cl- you know it it. It feels much more like a a a sixteen era game even though I think it is on the same platform So But overall I was I was like My time with it I was just like. Taking it's. Putting it in the context of of when it came out I it's it's like us. It's a super significant game and I think it's it's got some really cool shit in it. I'M GONNA say seven point five is that okay Acceptable I'm GonNa say this is a seven point five heather. What do you think I was going to score lower and I still am? I like it. When you rescue Diane, she falls in love with you after telling you she doesn't know how to kill big boss. I like I like that there there's like a sort of. He doesn't seem very, very good at writing women. From what I've experienced. His Games. That's okay. Wait. Great. I really love the music when you are fighting metal gear and I will be honest. This game was so grueling and like on enjoyable that I was like, okay. I I only have a certain number of hours this month to play all these games played about I. Don't Know Hack maybe sixty seventy percent of this game and then was like I cannot do another room that looks exactly like another room. I have to just watch the rest of this So I did not actually play this sequence but. After beating metal gear, the coolest fucking music place up in Dhaka why don't you hit it? Base is going to explode. and. You haven't boss yet but he's like waiting for you. This is a good jam. I love peace. Good stuff So is a remarkable game and that sets up. It's like watching a Spielberg student film. where like et and Indiana Jones and the Holocaust all appear and you're like Oh man, this is going to really set up entire. Is a dinosaur. I'm GONNA give this eighty seven. He's not funny. It's not fun at all. That's it up. What do you got? Yeah, I mean. You guys pretty much nailed it. It's not very fun. It's interesting. Very like telling of what's to come and like having experienced very limited. Metal gear like like I said only Jerks, snake eater and Peace Walker? Myself. because. I didn't really take in the lore of. One in two. So just seeing things that remember like the box like we talked about the boxer ready but the box in this game. Really just like like I was done. I was like this is Great I. Love This I'm glad I saw my old friend, a cardboard box. The least exciting to see I was so happy that it was there I was just like, wow like. A I'm sure we'll talk about this. As an idea. All month. But like. Kojima. Kojima just calls his own shots and always just like this is going to be a thing. So cardboard boxes like cardboard boxes here like Heather said great we're going to keep seeing this cardboard box. So. I I didn't have fun playing I. Do love the say the positive thing that I of about this game. Is that it made me by the first PS three game. I bought in who knows how long at this point Like eight years. and it was the. Metal Gear, solid legacy collection, which contains metal gear solid one as download. Sons of liberty. Snake eater and a gun to the Patriots and on. Snake Eater has metal gear two and three on it. So now that I own, that are gonNA be playing all the metal gear games. I also do want to point out that I am the snake airport king because I also own it for the three D. S.. Three hundred three copies of snake eater. But that's not the game we're talking about I'm GONNA, give this game a seven. Wow, wow we'll have those thoughts but. Maybe we're wrong. Maybe we were wrong. Path. B Internet is full of contrary and opinions about all of your beloved things and we have scoured the Internet to find opinions about this game that aren't quite in line with ours and I have. A take from as mentioned earlier from. Hideo Kojima himself. About the s release of the metal. Gear game. And it goes like this. I had this is from Nintendo. Power. Absolutely, no participation in the development of the s version, the any EST version was a pitiful title developed cheaply and simply by a small team in Tokyo during the bubble economy or anything and everything that would that was released would sell I came across the game a bargain bin and tried to play it but the game design is pretty bad. There's some. Gameplay that includes infiltrating base that didn't exist in the original however even I, the developer of the original game was unable to infiltrate the base even once furthermore being metal gear, it goes without saying that metal gear should make an appearance at the end however from what I heard due to the technical difficulties in displaying the spread of the screen they swapped. Out, for gigantic monitor that made me see that whoever created the game had no sliver of appreciation for the players however, even though it was an abomination, it was during the bubble economy and it sold millions overseas the title has only soiled my reputation. Yeah. Wow, that's unbelievable. That was Nintendo power that was in power, which used to do like developer interviews, and they apparently printed that entire places. Like the most incendiary thing, I've ever heard Nintendo, and the pages of Nintendo power. S unbelievable. Game facts, review by Synnex. Subject. This is what started all. It baffles me how people can take games like Friday, the thirteenth and claim they suck because the sound graphics and challenge. You can understand what you need to do right away in that game, and at least if you attack, you can make an attempt again if you miss rather than die and go Konami, have continued the tradition making these games irritable and boring through. The. Horrendous metal gear acid if this is what fans clamor for then I'm no fan jumps. Off. Bandwagon rating one. Wow. I have one also by Hideo Kojima. I have a third one from Hideo Kojima under the name Ninja Turtle pickle on read it. And He writes about the version. I. It's not Kojima please don't if you. Are On twitter don't please I know that it's not him. That's the joke and tell you do you establish the pattern and then continue the anyway Ninja Turtle Pickle Rights I love mental gear and I love old bit Games but fuck this game to hell I will never play this shit again that's eight out. I wonder how? Like it's I just the. This is is fascinating because I. Think it's it's got elements where like we said that that haven't aged well but. I don't know. It's it's. It's still like just the interesting game. I, don't know where I'm going with this I'm just like I like this. It's surprising to me that that there's just such a harsh negatively to it. Yeah. Oh, that's because of the world's neck. That's the world. That's true. I forgot about the world. The world is a it's miserable out there and everybody's upset angry and so they. they they they play a game and they don't like it and it ruins their life and I can understand that being that our podcast used to be the worst and weirdness weirdest. But now we're the. Bad strange anecdote notable. Worthy. Fuck it just doesn't work does know read your t-shirt shirt heather is right there. We're going back to worst and weirdest. Canseco Jabber. God. We're doing pacman to next week. It's time for the question block. That Might attempt at the The low alert sound. The dangle mation should be the exclamation block this month in. Yeah. Okay, it's the. Block Jeff. Perfect. Okay. So this Exclamation. Comes from our voicemail and I'm just GONNA go ahead and play it right now couldn't even team of how did this get played my question for you is that I was always in love with danger kazooing since it first came out then the sequel for the second one being interesting. And then I was completely just dismay on when it switched over xbox converted it into some kind of like almost like a grand theft auto kinda series. So my question for you guys is. What was a sequel that you guys fell in love with and then after they created a new one, they took a into a completely different direction in completely ruined the series. Thank you can have. A great question, very pleasant at Haller, yeah I. Bender because we nuts and bolts I was the one where they added these these vehicular elements. Yeah anything come to mind for you guys a sequel that completely betrayed its roots. Yeah. I mean. Super Mario to is just not it nothing's in line with the first Mario Brothers game, and I never played that whole series ever again after I was trade like it was just all know. Heather. So. Much. Juice? So As a as A. Kid. I was real frustrated by the dreamcast. And I really like I loved sonic so much and when sonic adventure came out. I was like, but you can't like. Yeah going fast is fun but there's like you can control sonic and the control that you have as you go fast and as you memorize the level yes, you can do that with the dreamcast game. But most of the time you're just like slamming into a cliff or not really knowing where to go and I was bummed out and I feel like that choice in sonic has been the only choice up through like Sonic Mania on the game boy advance sonics though is huge. It was huge disappointment for me I'm issue sonic our hope I hope you come back and you're okay. I think the. I'll disagree with you slightly just I think the dream. Nowhere. I find I'll I'll go fuck myself. I feel like the dreamcast. dreamcast sequels or the dreamcast three D. Sonics like they're wanting to I. think they were they were all right. I think they were pretty decent but you know you're fighting game fan I know the marvel versus Capcom infinite was not well received. Did you ever mess around with that? I know I did not because again, it felt like it went in a direction that I was not interested in following it. Yeah. Totally get it I mean for me I think the. The one that comes to mind it's actually game. I like, though 'cause I, I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about sell the to the adventure of link which has these side scrolling element and kind of this world map where you know it's a pseudo random encounters at Scott the yet Scott side scrolling dungeons but I still think that game is pretty fun. It's just so different and divergent in the same way that Mario Brothers Two AKA dokie don't panic is from part one that's one that comes to mind. A I don't know what you don't. It's one that's a big one and again a game I lake but I think just this sticks was such a misfire Prince of Persia Warrior within I. Know You love this franchise up Daca maybe is going to be your answer I was GonNa say yeah it's such a I mean it was like mid two thousand sort of like NU metal. Over. For Prince of Persia and I mean I'll confess. When it came out I was young I was like this fucking rule. Walk. Every game should do this. But. Yeah. Going back to it is such a It's so corny because I think they're trying to compete with God of war. They took the wrong way that they could have just made it bloodier. Instead they're like, no, he's also. He also likes rock. He also rocks. Any fuck. fucks. As far as franchises in general I think a big one is star Fox like because star Fox I feel like has how long's it been since there's been like a really good star Fox has it been since Star Fox sixty four was at the last one where it's just like starbucks adventures was not good and. Some of the some of the. Remembers Diaz or three. D. S. Star Fox. starbucks our motto wasn't very good. That feels like one where they need to reclaim that franchise and they need to figure that out. Yeah. By only experience with Star Fox's through smash brothers there's a slew of Nintendo characters around like I don't even know what your thing is but I know that you're you're also here because everyone's here in center or who the fuck. Well I know that that's. Come on. Center. Hit US up with your questions on twitter and Instagram, at gap played pot or send us an email get played potted gmail.com orderly or you can leave us a voicemail at six one six to play. 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'Profitability in the back half of next year': BuzzFeed CEO Jonah Peretti (and Verizon Media CEO Guru Gowrappan) on their big merger

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'Profitability in the back half of next year': BuzzFeed CEO Jonah Peretti (and Verizon Media CEO Guru Gowrappan) on their big merger

"Hello and welcome to a special episode of the digital podcast. I'm kelly barbara senior reporter with today. Last thursday we had a big piece of merger news. Come down the pike feet announced. It was acquiring huffpost in all-stock deal. That would also give verizon media a minority stake in buzzfeed. We wanted to hear from both sides of the transaction. So are bringing you to interviews in one episode. i. I'll be interviewing buzzfeed. Ceo jonah peretti. Who had actually co-founded huffpost before founding buzzfeed and after that my podcast go host. Tim peterson will interview huffpost seller bryson media group. Ceo guru guru pon the first high jona. Welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us. So i think what's largely different about the two brands is that buzzfeed will be profitable this year Thanks to a really strong third and fourth quarter But huffpost has been losing money over the past few years And i know it took a while before buzzfeed was able to get out of the red and get into the black itself but i was curious like well this acquisition end up dragging buzzfeed back into the red at all. I think it's clear that huffpost brand and audience is bigger than its business. And that's a huge opportunity for us. It gives us the ability to start to layer in the things that have made buzzfeed profitable this year. You layer that across across the huffpost business So our commerce business is really taken off our licensing business we are deal with lionsgate and some of the other studio work doing is very promising for the future. I think there's a lot of that that to benefit huffpost business and so by taking huffpost into the buzzfeed ecosystem and by applying all the things we've learned over the last few years to as we've diversified and growing business is going to help us make huffpost into a a profitable acquisition. Got it okay. So you're optimistic van that you can turn huffpost around the same way that buzzfeed has been able to achieve profitability The past couple years then You know i. I'm curious like where some of the first investments than that you're looking to make into huffpost You're a couple of licensing deals that you have going on at buzzfeed is. Is that an area that you're optimistic about as well. We're going to spend a lot of time talking to the team. They are getting a sense of how they do what they do. The different parts of their business. But it's clear that For example our affiliate commerce is one area where where buzzfeed has grown a lot in the last few years. And it's something that huffpost is just starting and so i think we celebrate accelerate that business considerably So that's one one area. I think that This do businesses potentially interesting. I mean a lot of cases. It's things that we're already doing at buzzfeed on the business side and now having another brand and having a bigger audience is going to is going to be you know a big opportunity for us. Also just having more distribution you know having we. We already had a lot of success. selling natives ad products video ads. display programmatic. We've seen growth in creator program. Swear our our talent is making media for for advertisers and brands. So all of that type of work we've done would naturally flow into the ad inventory and distribution on. Got it i guess. Do you have a time line at all in mind of when you're hoping to get huffington post huffpost profitable or is that kind of like a way and see once. The teams are fully integrated and whatnot. I think it'll be break. Even next year for the full year could even be profitable next year. And and certainly. There's a strong possibility of profitability in the back after next year. It'll take a little. It'll take a little while for the first. Six months of of integration will probably kosta some some revenue as were switching over to the front from the bryson media advertising stack and admin support and all of that and and adjusting. But i think once we once you've done that and we've completed the integration. We should see immediate results. Oh wow that's awesome. And i know you've said this before that this wasn't like the long connor like a long term goal of coming back and owning huffpost. You know fifteen late fifteen years later But i'm curious about how much of buzzfeed's model was i. Guess based on what you learned while building huffington post And you know what you did differently to buzzfeed Kind of helped differentiate the two in the beginning of things. One thing i learned over the years is that the way brands are built has really changed on the internet. It used to be that you would try to build a brand that everyone spire too and that would people would look up to the brand and say i wish i wish i could have that product and aspire to the two that elevated brand and on the internet. It's less about serving brands and more about the brand serving people it's flipped. And so you look at some of the greatest. Internet brands like amazon. They did very little traditional brand marketing early on and just focused on serving the customer and giving them faster shipping and giving them more packing more things into prime and over time that resulted in a really strong brand. But they weren't. They didn't have the traditional brand builder types. Who were trying to elevate the brand so when you look at buzzfeed and huffpost they both had. They both are the most iconic brands on the digital internet brands Buzzfeed huffpost hasty. All three of those brands were built the same way which is instead of asking people to be loyal to the brands. The brands were loyal to the people and we continually serve. Our audience looked at data. About what matter to our audience combined. Creativity with with a data analysis to to discontinue surprise and serve the people who were consuming reading engaging with buzzfeed with huffpost tasty. And if you look at brand metrics that ended up resulting in creating the strongest. you know internet media brands Even though we weren't taking this brand. I approach with like. What's this brand that we want everyone to follow and aspire to And so to me. That's that's one thread that goes through. You know these these Really four big brands. Buzzfeed news buzzfeed huffpost and tasty. They all have just been obsessed with the with the readers obsessed with the viewers obsessed with the audience and making sure that their what's most important and that we serve them and that that's really the north star for all four of those brands. Yeah absolutely I guess kind of going off of that. I know huff post has really strong Like seo position and they have a lot of Know good strategy when it comes to search buzzfeed definitely more rooted in like social in in that kind of amplification. there Is are you gonna be at all. I guess looking take strategy that huffington post or huffpost has with That seo side of things in in moving that over to the other three brands that are in the buzzfeed portfolio. So you know. In the early days huffpost was really a lot about search and social had matured a enough to actually build a brand or build a media property off of social. And that's also one of the reasons that we got a slow start. We were so focused on social but facebook and twitter. We're still small. And you know we had to wait till the social web matured before buzzfeed could really gets get scale and huffpost was had a big front page and a lot of search traffic and so huffpost gal got bigger earlier because it was it was playing in the spaces but today really post is great at social. They have huge social handles. They get a lot of traffic across in a facebook and twitter and other social platforms. So i don't think they're the companies. Are that different right now. In terms of of of of and social and by the way bus it's gotten better at at search as well in a lot of people search search buzzfeed and we even see a lot of people put the buzzfeed branded with searches because they want to get us buzzfeed in about a certain topic which to me is a much stronger signal than than search. Traffic just happens to find your site when people are actually putting your brand into google because they want your version of something. That's a great a great sign and we see a lot of that busby now. Yeah for sure That's awesome and i wanted to go back. You kind of highlighted these four core brands now buzzfeed buzzfeed news tasty in huffpost. And so i mean it seems like you have Identified these like really strong standings in the portfolio. And you also have a bunch of other verticals as well. There's bring me there's Cocoa butter and upcoming have your sex and love vertical. So you've created these very strong presences in these different topic areas i guess. Do you feel like the buzzfeed portfolio was ultimately satisfied. Now that you have this acquisition. Or i guess. Is there still room to grow from here. Well i definitely gordo strong position with these big pop brands that can be umbrella. Brands that really reach everyone on the internet and their babies few areas where we could add more but for those those kinds of brands. But but we're in a good position. In terms of broad pop brands that reach a wide audience but still have voice and still have means something and still stand for something. And that's that's hard to do and it takes a long time to build brands like that. Which is one of the reasons that you know. I'm excited about a post. Because you know. Fifteen years is a long time and that brand has been built over over a decade and it's hard to just build something like that overnight but i also think there's opportunity for more niche brands and the ones you just mentioned are are examples of buzzfeed and And good fall and you know there's a bunch of other smaller brands that really targeted niche audience. And i think there's opportunities to add more of those both by creating them you know we. We started a lot of a lot of these brands started ourselves we built. We didn't buy tasty. We bill tasty same with with cocoa butter or paralegal. Org good fall or nifty. So there's a lot. I think we can do to create and build new branson convert neat verticals Or or maybe not even niche in some cases but just focused on a particular Passion point or or identity group and then having these big umbrella brand allows us to promote an amplify the smaller brands and so one of the reasons that that advertisers would love to partner with us that they could do a deal with us and partner with a creator or a smaller brand but then the full benefit of the bus network. and soon they'll get full benefit of the huffpost network as well. So if you do a good partnership with us and about sort of healthy living you can also amplify that across the tasty you know network and so you're you're getting of the best boat. You're getting a brand that focuses on a on an area that you are passionate about and has a passionate audience and then also getting the benefit of our larger scale and distribution and so i think there maybe opportunity to both build and by smaller brands that that would naturally fit into our portfolio. That can be amplified by the of mega brands. That we have. Okay got it. So it's this mega brand and then smaller vertical brands versus like i guess when nifty ever be considered a mega-brand Within the buzzfeed portfolio. Or is that you know something that you like to keep in its own. I guess category underneath buzzfeed to again amplify it Like is there any opportunity for those brands to eventually grow up to the level of the mega brands. Or it's definitely possible. I would say that sometimes when people talk about building brands they think. Oh if you invest in a brand. You can build it into huge brand. Generally the things have become mega brands have to catch fire his very particular way. And it's very hard to do and it's not about someone who's an expert in branding or hiring agency and then making something into a mega brand You know so you know. We didn't initially plan for tasty to be. You know a mega brand. That it is now where you know. It's it's the majority of people know tasty and the favorability of tasty is so high people love tasty but it started as a small little niece brand and and it just caught fire and got bigger and bigger a bigger now has one hundred million likes on this main page on facebook and and tens of millions on other sub pages and is spread across the world. We have tasty japan. We have tasty and lots of other other markets and so tasty is at you. Know became a mega brand because the consumer loved it and the consumers engaged with it and it crossed different boundaries and people from different walks of life in different interests all started to gravitate towards it so when we saw that we expanded built a tasty out the tasty website now have every recipe shop bowl was walmart and the tasty app and so when we see that signal in that energy in the brand is really building. We connect we connected to a bunch of different areas now. There's a line of cookware. Because we we sense that real excitement from a broader group or broader audience other brands. They don't cross over like that they might. They might develop a really passionate loyal audience. That loved the brand. But it's for them. It's not for everyone else. And it doesn't cross over to become part of pop culture in the same way or part of mass culture in the same way so we try to. We try to build brands with a real strong awareness of the consumer and what matters to them and some brands get that escape velocity and become something that is just broadly. Relevant across a big swath of culture and other brands are really but ended up becoming more about loyalty and closeness of connection. And so we we try to manage them. Appropriately got it. Yeah that makes sense I guess going off of that and this is a question that a few people like my colleagues. And i have been talking about a little bit. But i guess within the lake mega brand scope buzzfeed news and huffpost. Have i guess a competitive set within them within those areas. I guess have you thought about at all possibly merging those to To create one core group or is like the huffpost brand on its own like enough to. I guessed keep standing out. Yeah is are merging those two on the horizon at all. I mean the way. I communicated this the team as i said i wanted. How post to be more huffpost and buzzfeed news to be more bus newsy. There's a huge need for trusted news brands. That are not behind pay walls. That can be can distribute quality information across all platforms. And i think huffpost and buzzfeed news are both iconic brands. That deserve to be standalone brands. And we will focus without postal be growth a host friend and not to try to merge it with with buzzfeed. We i think if they'd smashing them together into into some kind of merge news brand would weaken both of them and so some cases there may be competition for scoops or stories or things like that but the way that they serve their audiences is pretty different and will continue to evolve Buzzfeed news has been very very scooped driven over the years Huffpost has has a bigger front page has been away that a lot of people orient themselves in the world Reading the front of post is a way to say. You know what's going on what matters how does affect me. How does it affect my life. this sort of narrative flow of of what's happening in the world is has been you know bigger part of have posted the splashes of the front page things like that even even a lot of the individual articles have have have a little more of that point of view And also you know it's changed and evolved over time but but You know tough post has been more of a of a left-wing brand over the years and buzzfeed news has been more of a millennial brand over the news and there's obviously a lot of of Overlap in those two things. Because millennials tend to be more they vote democratic at a higher rate like that But they're not the same thing you know and the sort of millennial values that have animated buzzfeed buzzfeed news Are not perfect. Overlap with some of the more progressive values that have animated have post So anyway. I don't want to overstate any of this. Because part of you know we don't we don't We own huffpost yet. The deal is should close in a couple of weeks a few weeks. And we're looking for a new editor in chief and a new header way. I've always run. Things is to really empower the people who work for me to help define vision. So it's not you know the the vision for this is not going to be coming from me as much as it's going to be coming from the current team at huffing post plus the new editor chief wherever wherever they come from. Yeah absolutely so you had mentioned that there is this need for Or having options for digital news. That's not pay walled And i know that both Buzzfeed news and havington's post are huffpost. Has this support us. Contribution options And buzzfeed news as more so in the You know donate to us recurring somewhat. But it's usually just like a support. The journalism huffpost plus Offers some things like ad free experiences on the app in other discounts. Here and there. But i was curious. how are you thinking about reader revenue and how it fits into the revenue mix Going forward and i guess. Do you plan to keep the huffpost plus alive or maybe add onto what buzzfeed newses contribution model is at all. It's still too early to say. I think experiment we. We've been experimenting a little bit and membership models. But it's still. It's still really early. I think that at some point in the future. There's going to be interesting members models where instead of paying for content. You're paying for community connection in social interaction. And so there's already a lot of precedent for that with with things like dating apps and certain certain kinds of community apps where you're paying to meet other people or connect with other people instead of instead of paying for content and so there may be some interesting things there that would allow content to be freely available so the broadest possible public across all platforms. I think which is super important role brought role for the news media that has been really lacking where the low quality content is spreading for free and then other more high quality journalism is increasingly becoming locked behind pay walls and subscription models. and so. i think there's a big role for processing half post to reach diverse millennial gen z generation across all platforms without requiring people to log in. I mean when you see a article from buzzfeed news in your social feed or you see something from huffpost you know. I can click that read that. I'm not going to be told that. I've reached my limit on articles. And i think you can build a good business that way as well so you know. Are there other add ons or other ways of generating revenue where people potentially pay because they want a enhanced experience or they want to have more opportunity to connect with with our team or each other. I think there's something pretty pretty interesting there and so were experimenting with it. But it's still it's still early. I would treat it more as are indeed project than as a business got it. Yeah but i did want to get back into the advertising side of things You mentioned that there's The amplification of taking like nifty. And any kind of branded content or advertising and they're able to get amplified across the portfolio And i am curious about how you're picturing huffpost to kind of come into the mix with all of that and How that will impact the ad business because Buzzfeed historically native was like a really big part of the revenue model Sense it's diversified. So there's know more of the display kind of added in there And i i saw that. Direct sales had like double digit growth this year and Display ads the have also increased quite a bit But how complementary are the revenue breakdowns for huffington. Post or huffpost to buzzfeed And i guess is the sales team. They're focused on direct sold advertising as much as your team might be yeah. They haven't focused on direct because there have been part of rising media murray's media. Is you know this massive network that includes y'all oneal and so there's a lot of programmatic advertising and things like that. That's been more their focus and then bundled sales across across all of their their properties. I think a more brand driven direct pitch is going to be something that we'll be able to add for for posts should help that business. You know it's it's a small. Sorry if you hear dogs barking in the background for this is this is the The work from home experiment that we're all we're all doing. It's all just keep rolling with it. We're all used to it by now. It's totally fine. Yeah so. I think we'll be able to. You know to give huffpost a lot more attention. And we able to layer in some of the business lines that buzzfeed has has really started to perfect. That are not yet on part of part of a post okay so To that end like is the sales team For huffpost going to be kind of still dedicated then to huff post and focusing on selling that brand specifically versus I don't know maybe trying to do a centralized model that touches into each of the brands. Our strategy is to be decentralized for editorial so that every editorial brand could have a strong voice and can serve their audience and not Not necessarily worry about is consistent. With what other editorial brands within the company doing i think. That's that's really important. You don't want to have one set of editorial policies and editorial for every brand or else the brand start to lose their swagger and they're vital urgency so we want to make sure that that the huffpost edit team and huffpost brand is very independent and can push their own mission and their own agenda but on the business side. we want centralisation. We're doing a partnership with walmart or we're doing a partnership with another average. Cpg company we want them to get the full benefit of the audience that is on huffpost and on buzzfeed tasty and be able to do whatever makes sense for that advertiser to get the most the most value and so we've seen some of our insurance. Advertisers for example doing audience based advertising will want a older wealthier segment and huffpost out a lot in that in that capacity and so being able to extend what we're doing without a current advertiser onto a new property. That has different. Audience is something that should help us expand our business and benefit and benefit the post business unit. also post team only has three sales people. Yeah associate you know right now. So it's pretty small and so having having a more coordinated business approach. I think is going to help for sure. Yeah that makes that makes sense. And then yeah. I guess the last topic that i really wanted to hit was Like looking at the commerce operations buzzfeed has been doing a ton in that area. Recently recently covered The licensing deals that you did with like a sex toy company and then you're affiliate business has been booming as well I guess on that end of things like do you see and i think you mentioned this a little bit but if you could talk more about like the opportunities and commerce around huffpost and I think right now. They have a pretty large Affiliate offering as well As poking around their site and they have that lake Shopping tab but You know do you see any opportunities for licensing there Whether that's like product lacing licensing or You know other other areas as well. Yeah i mean. I think there's a lot of opportunities. I think there's licensing affiliate. I think we'll be a big opportunity because their audience is really engaged and and there's a big segment of their audiences is affluent and has more spending power so that i think will will open up new types of licensing and product partnerships that may be higher ticket items are higher priced items And overall i think there's just a lot of opportunity. The biggest thing is going to be. How do we prioritize all in all of these opportunities you know so the. There's a bunch of innovative things we wanna do. That will probably be six months six months nine months from now before we get started on them. Because we i have to do all the stuff you know do all the all the basic stuff and get our get our tech and you know saying than getting the teams aligned and getting figuring out all the all the ways that we Know all all gotta do i as some of the basic stuff and and then i think there'll be a lot of interesting opportunities after that to invent new products or new ways of new products. New deals things like that. Yeah got it. And sorry. I did think of one other question My former colleague. Laura o'reilly who's now over at business insider She posted a story today about Staffers concerns about layoffs. Naturally i feel like with any kind of merger acquisition anything like that. There's going to be that concern At this time do you foresee having to do any amount of layoffs for any duplications on my occur especially the centralized kinds of business roles. Or are you hoping at this point to kind of hang onto everyone if you can. Also the way the way that bus got the profitability. Was you know. A combination of more financial rigour and discipline in managing our costs more carefully with Growing our revenue and particularly growing new revenue lines and finding new ways that that we could take this audience. We have this massive super engaged audience and say. Oh you're viewing ads. But maybe you want to actually buy a product or extending into licensing as you've written about and as we were talking about earlier or if we make show using our network to promote that show using ip from from our from our network to to figure out how to cast movie or put up you know or pick a topic to to address in a documentary. You know there's all of the all these these ways that we've expanded our business and so we want to take that same approach with huffington post and saying it's going to be a combination of of having financial rigor with new business lines new revenue opportunities and upside and of course the preference and the best way to to get to profitability is growing revenue and finding new revenue lines. That's always what we look at first and we always take the approach of of trying to save as many jobs and protect jobs as as as much as we possibly can with huffington post. We don't own the business yet. It's closing in a few weeks. We have to talk to a lot of people that we weren't able to talk to when we were when we were contemplating the deal. We have to understand their business where the different drivers are on their business and figure out. How do we do whatever we can to make business a successful and sustainable as possible for the long term. How do we run the business with a lot. More attention and focus than say verizon was able to do it as part of this you know. It was a subsidiary subsidiary of city area. So we can. We can give it a lot more attention a lot more focus and justify doing that. And so that's the that's the next up is to really really get in there and try to understand what's the right way for this business to be successful and thrive in the future And so i certainly would not promised that we would never have you know staff reductions or or things like that Because in this industry is sometimes a reality that that is what it takes to get a business to profitability sustainability on the other hand. I always have a strong preference for finding ways to grow revenue finding new revenue lines focusing on innovation. And and i think there's a lot of upside in huffpost business that that will be able to unlock absolutely. I think that's more than fair. Well that's it for my questions. Thanks again jonah. This is really great. thank you. we're gonna take a quick break here from our sponsor and then my co host. Tim peterson will be onto interview verizon media group. Ceo guru ghorban so stay with us as more and more big tech companies vying to collect your data. 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Today i'm talking with guru guru pon ceo verizon group which owns yahoo will tech crunch and gadget a collection of ad tech tools and the huffington post though not for much longer. We're recording this. On friday november twentieth. After resin media announced that is selling the huffington post to buzzfeed and taking an investment stake in buzzfeed. So lots to talk about. let's get started welcome guru. Thanks for taking the time to talk to us. Hey tim thanks for having me here. So obviously yesterday was a big announcement. Buzzfeed jonah of preti said on the recode media podcast. Yesterday that he had asked for as in media over a year ago if huffpost was for sale and was told no. So what changed. So you know he he. He's right about that. And you know jordan of of would save become friends. Now we've been. We've been talking for a while. I know the change. I would say comes back to both us me and john. I think what is in media and buzzfeed very long-term purpose and mission to and company and one of the things you think about verizon media our core mission is to connect people their passions and part of that strategy is to have trusted content and creative ecosystem of content essentially. And when you think of am then the pillars. That i've talked about many many times has been around trusted. Content connections and transactions which is mainly commerce when look for joan is built and building the buzzfeed ecosystem the way that going deep into journalism and the content creation a lot of that really map to us pretty well and lot of the map. The brand level have post and for us. Our strategy as just laid out was logan. You know in terms of creating an ecosystem and while jonas ginga on what changes. I wanna make sure i. I mentioned this yesterday. Is today when i think about news and our content categories or all. We are growing well and they're investing in them. But i want to see there are certain brands that can grow you better and get that application. And that's where john. I actually in january at c. s. in wegas where we started talking about a broader partnership with buzzfeed. That was the original intention to start off post. You know Became part of the overall not team. Prompt strategy to him and thing that changes one is us being a having taken buzzfeed to is creating a broader strategic partnership where we can bring in you know the cross promote content across both our ecosystems the app platform intuition from our side commerce collaboration a and b our media on five g. bigger strategic partnership with the buzzfeed ecosystem and the third pillars opposed. Where we felt you know the strategy and mission that beulah laid off for huffpost airbus food is headed his so much together It just creates a much bigger ecosystem network change in outages always wall. And when you find the right teams and write alignment you try to do the right deal there. And that's what ended up happening in this case to with all of that. Then why sell the huffington post as opposed to by buzzfeed. Think look as a sad there. Is you know we are If you think about a game where is a media strategy which i just walked through tons of our mission. And you're going to see pillars. I talked about many times. What ends up happening. Is you have a brand like huffpost. Many think about it. You don't put all the energy behind it. You put some energy and what buzzfeed can do is really proteomics energy behind it. So that makes a big difference in the growth trajectory. I love phoned lead companies because you can create so much momentum and also joan. I was one of the co founders of huffpost so we would rather partake in the gold from outside and help them in water form. That's why we created the strategic partnership so the wavier participating is more like. Hey you should have independence. You should keep growing loose in any way farm and it's created because strategic partner where we are with you in the journey either we are taking your content putting our ecosystem or you were taking our continent putting in your ecosystem our units tack. Which is we are. One of the largest independent ads tech are partnered with commerce creating new experiences to a are so that is a much better long-term view rather than saying okay. Let's make it part of it because you know we have enough product. Right now focused on to drive gould within our ecosystem okay. So let's talk about those other components of the deal because as you said this isn't a straight sale. There's more of a relationship established here. There's contents indication component and an advertising arrangement. Let's start on the content syndication. Does that just mean buzzfeed articles and videos will appear on yahoo. Aol in gadget tech crunch and vice versa. Other very simple level. Yes when you think about content from buzzfeed tasty buzzfeed news in huffpost swell will be syndicated across our ecosystem in touch today. About nine hundred million monthly active users and vice versa wages buzzfeed also syndicate or content. Take the ecosystem tech cruncher. All the other brands have be have content across in science. Based on where the relevance and the one other sub part of that is all to you might in the next gen experiences which is a separate item but really tight to content distribution is partner on this. Aor formats where we will co create so of these exponential content leveraging our that is a va marceau platform and gave them access to get a small okay on the content syndication sites. How will browsing media group and the buzzfeed be making money from that contents indication so tight. That is the Two aspects of revenue right one is the advertising on model and the other is commerce so think about buzzfeed Putting its content in there in. You know it's almost like a of classic qualities. Apply dealer is apply. Partnership dealer publisher. Deal where we have a rev share on the ads that go on that particular page or whatever traffic. We send out the publisher and publish publish a relationship and then same on the commerce brunt Where v have you know. Buzzfeed does quite a bit of commerce. Been on the journey now for two years as well on condom commerce defeated commerce laundry were being also and are logged in nail Email ecosystem commerce as well. So there's going to be lavished in their commerces more. Take depending on. What kind of deals we have so we have share since it's a ruptured deal Essentially dan any traffic be sent to them in a what. Ads running off granada. There's a rupture belong. Got you control ad sales. When contents appearing on your properties they control it on. There's that's correct. And for their property. As i mentioned we are one of the largest independent ad stack full full omni channel ads. Tackle anything kabar. Dsp espn all the different formats cider connected tv. And all of that would actually also going to power some of the buzzfeed ads and arguing. Our scale and depth on the demand side that we bring to the government today. Our fox Apple if you think about several other publishers. We are the ones powering a lot of the ads them. So this is gonna be where we are also going to help buzzfeed ecosystem powering ads tech us. Wall okay yeah. I wanted to get into that. Because i imagine there's an ad tech components of the advertising arrangement. 'cause you'll even this may be outdated information but i'm pretty sure buzzfeed has been a google shop they've been on google s s p. So how does resins at tech. Now work into this deal with buzzfeed. Think at a high level think about at least the Indicating content those pieces. We are going to be powering. The ads those pages so it doesn't it doesn't have to go. And i don't have all the details on his to your buzzfeed's relationship with google and then also huffpost has an example right now. Vivid powering adds enough. We'll have those today part of our ecosystem that will continue and it goes into the buzzfeed ecosystem as well so lot of that or with it. And then when you think about our sales team on the demand side as an example will be also able to sell buzzfeed huffpost as part of any of the premium publisher kind of packaging as well so it will always offered in parallel right now And and we will be doing multiple passes well or we can start testing on more. Traffic will and see however we perform taking more but the cutting payments take on big system. Traffic of your syndicating. That's when we'll start powering including huffpost on them. Will bill from okay. Got it and in agency executive. It's spoke to. You mentioned that one of the things that huffpost had brought to the table for advertisers was presence data so like with this arrangement will razan status. Still be able to be used for ads that are sold on huffpost and the broader buzzfeed. No look i mean. I think we we follow very So think about two things. I think verizon data as one bucket america media date has the other bucket so when is a meter outrider within compliance and user consent. The media out of the data will be applying. You know when you think of our targeting way flav. Somebody's coming into buzzfeed as a consumer Huffpost page why. Don't we do on our ad side using data which doesn't include the but is in kannada. Cut us on a user level which we don't use today either. Use aggregate level eventing so on the horizon media side. If you think about the nine hundred million on the active that i can get data on our products to be have to first party. Data have ws for ad tech today. S while so battle chancellor or if you're doing any of the ad integration for buzzfeed or anything they're being targeting not the carriers out of it doesn't rule so demonizing media side that we do today will continue our still where bus will have the access like of first party being a good publisher partner with us as i said. We do that with a lot of other publishers as well so that leveraged inhabiting the garage media ecosystem. Why is it that the carrier data it doesn't transfer over 'cause it seemed like with telecom giants building up their ad tech stacks acquiring media companies. It seemed like the whole picture was the wireless customer data the media properties and then the ad tech in the middle. That fuse them all together. And you have something that can compete with google and facebook. Yeah look a we as verizon made of very very thoughtful and early call on the sooner. At least i know since i've been here two and a half years or so. Where burglary clear that. If you think about verizon's core pillars of be top level as we operate as a brand is trusted and part of the trust creation. The behalf with our consumers today is your data and what we do is we. We approached of utmost privacy on the carrier side so it's not about taking that a nodding ads. They're coming in for different expedients. Their subscription model their bank for it and there was an expectation. They have on privacy in what we do with that and most of that is not the add model. So that's a call be made up front saying that's not something we want to put an indoor ad tech and what. Bmg has this first party data so does a very conscious choice taught food choice for reset. You're not going to bring in your you know you're right. There's a lot of tears and talk. About how much did they can help in in all of that but be the good news for us because we have a strong first party if you think about the ecosystem the aol ecosystem. Lot of uses similar level of In a rich data think about you know as we think about matching retargeting again with users consent that's sufficient for us as we offered in this world and they're isan rightly so for us at the top level. We need to make sure we maintain our brand under the brand into the brand promise which is on trusted integration. So that's been declare is generally following has been working well for us. Okay i want to get back to the strategy for verizon media especially in light of this deal and especially like looking at the content side your content portfolio because you still have hail and yahoo but you also still have tech gadgets. Could you help me better. Understand like the distinction. You're making here and selling huffpost to buzzfeed but then keane tech crunch and gadget or are you planning to keep those two. Yeah look they are very core part of the ecosystem so when he started thinking about this. You almost wanna look at. Where do we have within our core system. where can the operate do have unique arts and unique content safe. I think about that karan's and in gadget as an example. That's where you need. We don't make any other property within the system doesn't create the same content we tested audience. We created that Decades is a great example. That on yahoo finance go hand in hand together in terms of the category of consumers Touchy you think about people looking for start up. And a lot of the technology news at the same time. People looking at stock and following the stock market companies. That kind of abroad segman. They're all fairly aligned. But it's two different. We don't overlap much. I think what he started thinking about our ecosystem. We focused on colored. Few big categories starting news sports financing of entertainment. And most of these things. That many have lifestyle. I would say kind of the bigger ones updates on the content condensate. All of this fits into that world huffpost also squarely fit into that world. I think for us when you think about buzzfeed and why this made sense The the idea was busted gets Again it's universally known brand with significant scale and audience complementary to it so many think about what buzzfeed brings to table. We have this model gives us an access to much bigger audience when you think about buzzfeed and be. Can we also have yahoo news as an example so one way to think about as we have uniqueness in our strategy and our content that view own and then we create on top of network of ecosystem partnership we have today partnership with new york times business insider how you name it right we all of these indicating karmic though are ecosystem so we think about. How can we create the best. Most doerr said of ecosystem in those key. Category condom categories. And where do we have uniqueness or where do strength today you wanna maintain back in terms of audience uniqueness and we can be multiplies. How does not of uniqueness tears but what buzzfeed gave cooperation to actually accelerate that unique s you and more and the good news here as we still have access to off stride still be content is still syndicated that bettendorf ecosystems who are not losing that i think what it does tink tink more from a framework of just help them grow faster and achieve that goal because buzzfeed huffpost have similar kind of growth trajectory vision we upload for broader we would rather operate as an ecosystem and some of the ones that we have. Today they're more unique to us because there is nothing else creating something like that. Okay so but i mean. There's yahoo news. That's pretty general. Interest finance relatively interest yahoo sports. I guess swear. I'm not being denser. Hopefully but i'm just not understanding. No so if you think about a game you take who uses an example yahoo news is you know we produce say ten percent of the content is ours. Ninety percent of consciousness syndicated When you think about finance and technology and that bucket take y'all fines check crunch and engaged in that bucket again. In aggregate produce actually less percent of conduct we actually syndicate a lot of content. That comes into us so in that world tech runs for us in many ways is more unique at feeds into it and we don't we can't find that kind of conduct anywhere else. Executor leader. That's one point. Second point is also on the premiums. So one of the things you've gone deeper into at least last eighteen months into subscription model premium. We lost yahoo finance premium. Which has been doing really really well. This year Be lol to launch tech contracts crunch which is a premium version of texas. While so a lot of that is. I gained frigging to our strategy. Moving into premium products and premium offering different category. That's why comparing huffpost with little bit. Apples oranges in a way and comparing huffpost buzzfeed. There is a much stronger alignment still get access to it. So i would say. Strategies are on aggregating and owning some niche content. And that's what you're looking at. When you think of our tech gadget that really enhances our subscription offerings. And where we can't have that scale in a way where we can partner to give you a bigger scale in this case buzzfeed at how posted ecosystem. We wanna go and do okay. Is there a part of that that you don't wanna be owning the content creation you'd rather be in the content syndication game. I think you have to look at us. As a sad were. Part of that is. We will never be in a position to create ninety percent of our content. Because if you think about yahoo other state. Yahoo is an example yahoo today on early on from when her you know twenty five years now Its core has been about allegation right. If you think about yahu owned some core content but a lot of it aggregation differentiation for us comes from what kong create. So that's where it's a mix of both so you will own a good amount of premium subscription. Let our high quality content. So that's going to be part of the strategy but a lot of big part of our strategy is also syndication are aggregation which we do as a set behalf from time to name it less feed and huffpost all's as a partner so i don't think it's one of the other The way i think is you need the breadth of content for sure and asserted meters. You wanna have debt. That's what so that's where by their own in those cases of ugandan de performance. You gotta with huffpost though also subscription business right. Yes we had we. We tested it out. I would say late last year Most of the subscription there with ended up being you have a free subscriber. You're pretty much logging in talking about what you like and you know. Becoming a follower paid model was not really promoted a lot within that because there's no conduct differentiation been paid The only difference was you are a member of a more deeper exclusive club. And he gave you more parks rather than more exclusive content even think about our other subscription model where we've been focused on creating lot of premium content tech crunch extra conscious. Same way you think about Yahoo finance premium. Use your lot of content much deeper for retail investor. Why couldn't that be applied to huffington post. Though we never we never started. That journey huffpost strategy was not that at all for us to do that. In terms of going and building the audience base was not that either. The artist base in half boats were more about. Let's give access to all the condom. There is no differentiation. There was little yards target. If you look at buzzfeed is also similar When you think about it that's part of the reason is narrow applied to it. Okay i guess on part. I'm not understanding stand up. The subscription business doesn't work off the bat why not make a attempts to adjust it or was it. By that time you had the meeting with jonet already looking to offload huffpost doesn't make sense to invest in it. No i again again. I think meeting meeting joinaaa was lottery. Interest bus speed and we could do together with buzzfeed in that was evil intent hunting huffpost kinda made it even bigger if you will What i would say. Yoda understand migrating into a subscription model. Anything about a consumer journey. Those are not easy journeys There are certain categories which are easy to easier. I wouldn't say he's he's easy. But when we talk about yahoo finance and the finance premium that is enough utilities that he can think about him in of deep content that he can think about that. Automatic air consumers already wanted and we saw that when we talk to them and when we do user studies and manure testing few things we saw that natural journey when you take news a product you either. The extreme end of you have to think about new york times or in a wall street journal. Some of that bucket away on the business side and going that deep which we are. Not if you think about us more in that more broad-market market news and for us. We tested it and to go more deeper in that when you start thinking about that. That's a much more a bigger for us. Our right and we said okay. We want to create a membership within half falls. But that's going to be more about you. Having that brian affinity creating the natural huffpost less abbad konkan differentiation For you by want. Every member doesn't matter your free or paid have access to the same content and that has been always the core strategy in on huffpost which is democrat ising conduct. Make sure everybody has access to it so we were not going to that strategy. Big way rather find scale in this case what we find is to buzzfeed because their strategy buzzfeed strategists. Similar thing. okay. You can keep growing this. Make it from two extra acts. We still have access to. So that's why it is a little bit different. Depends on category. What he can do on tech crunch in what he can out finance slightly different than what you can do on. Apple's has got it huffington post wasn't profitable. Why was it so hard to bake a profit to turn a profit with huffington post pain. I'm not gonna comment on the financial seeming of you've never disclosed zone huffpost or yahoo finance anywhere to go to be very honest right. I would say the biggest thing. Let's go back two and a half years and i'm gonna talk at an aggregate level Because via as i said we don't disclose anything hotpots by itself or any other brand la de betak crunch me of that one of the things that the media business or all was media business really being dependent on the add model. And then if you didn't have scale it's hard to garner the yield that you can think about scannon quality of audience than you think about the yield. It's always hot right. You need to have a minimum amount of team as think about creating quality content or syndicating and maintaining a property right. There's minimum you can't do it a sudden level below otherwise you're not going to have good quality audience in that model one is companies had the wall in terms of business model. That's why for us. These two and a half years back. We started on the journey saying we'll Content which is our top of the funnel and what consumers comp was forced to engage with us and get inspired a lot of this content. And then we wanna could come in communities or connections in some of these key eagles. How post was one of them. Right tech crunch yahoo finance yahoo mail young sports anything go. Fantasy wanted to clear that brand affinity end connections are people can create their kind of small group led people playing fantasy football or any of that and then you have loosened that that was going through transactions. So if you come in. You're reading a lifestyle article or travel article and then the next evolution of that is okay. I want to go buy a packet summer or reading a particular Either an address from something on celebrities wearing outweigh tons act. And by that. Or i'm in yahoo. Mail allow grocery shopping. Grocery shop with them walmart so really converting that inspiration transaction so part of it is you're moving from nar distant ad model you're moving into also transaction which is commerce and then the other solution is going into much deeper premium condoms subscription. So for us. How do you convert a company in the profitable model for us as be took pap which we need to Go into new. Growth factors charges being ads have subscriptions and have commerce engines action. That's what you've done size at ecosystem you've done well. In view data tell you categories that out mention huffpost in news and all the same categories where be publicly disclosed like as an example. You take a single. You've grown like our news. Category by five percent on your this is during co that now the revenue rights so that talks to a category. What is done well. And i think that's been our focus again as i said i will tell you. Have posed by itself is But at an aggregate level we are seeing that growth and momentum because we have gone invested in you. Go to the actors a hassle strategy for media compensated. I think when. I think about huffpost and buzzfeed. Now they also have similar strategy bit more deep on the news awarded and also younger younger demo. Anything about buzzfeed in the target audience. They have which is great. We love that. That's a gap. We have us. And i think buzzfeed bring staff to our table. Think about content syndication and what we can do that as raw Does commerce strategy workflow for a news publication. If you have it comes down to how you're part of experience right because if you are coming in all of this comes to water business user experience at personalization. If i am reading an article as i mentioned in let me i am reading. Something about bali and people are traveling today or codification something you know whatever you in two percent of users who are reading the next thing they're doing is going on searching about the destination or going into one of the travel sites and buying a ticket but guess what happened ten days window. You actually created inspiration now. In many ways i can create a deeply integrated. Click model that i can help. You can work that right there. It works to be down knob. You've done zero to one that you've seen quite a bit of our commerce do really well as relevant. We started about two years back It works it really works the content. But i think the keys comes back to how best opening experience you knew. If it's clunky where people are click through ten different ways and go to multiple sites. You know you lose. The user at some point appeared so much friction and that but if you implement from a product standpoint and take care of their experience yes it does work. why couldn't at work with huffpost with huffpost. We actually with policy. Did i mean we actually huffpost. Was you know we started enough e commerce. A bit actually was one of the leading brands. Which is doing that You know yet been scaled level yet. Because you know we had just started a huffpost if you think about. One of the biggest categories for huffpost is their lifestyle catty. How does did quite a bit of work on parenting and think about how us you mental health. Lot of the vented dewitt's there is quite a bit of a as i think about it. There's a new in a first time mom our first time parents in a how do you. What do you need to buy for your baby. As an example there's lots of deep integration of commerce. You've done that again. You've done morrison an affiliate model which does have communist there. So i wouldn't say did work. I think buzzfeed is done a great job in that category if you think about what. june is. Done homage commerce a big element of their revenue. Right now. that's also what excites me. That huffpost will be much faster track of doing that which we were not able to do yet in terms of scale got it. But now you'll be able to do together with those help us as well. right you can scale. We can leverage or junan demore building swelled for us too. Because we've been much slower on that our side does this crater risks. Though that at some point jonas say okay thanks. You helped us get two point vote. We're going to move on and work with someone else or take this. We'll take it from here. That's the that's the good news. Is you know owning a stake. In buzzfeed ride that gives you being shareholder. I think it creates that much deeper relationship. It was purely commercial only. Then you can always say there is a risk in our buddy you and commercial. What we've done is the multi year partnership so And both of us have debates touch women if he worked together and be to scam each other. If you don't if you don't that so i think we've got enough structure in place to enable us to grow and win and look about this. Altered comes down to relationship and in a partnership that you're creating. That's why i think relationship with john is important or been chatting since january many and at least you seriously about what we do with buzzfeed. That's only gotten stronger. And that's why getting more excited. You know going a working with the founder lead company with. They're going to put everything they can to make sure the successful in same for us the baby so so i think i think icy less less to you know really minimal risk on that. There's always a risk and seeing jordan team on the other side. I'm you and more Confident than proud of what we've struck together. How much of the stick does will is a media heaven buzzfeed. We didn't disclose that not disclosing that but but yes we do have state with that so you have a stake in them which means for you to get something out of that. There needs to be some sort of exit for buzzfeed. What's your vision for a timeline. And when you get a return on your investment again. I think i'll come back to what i started. The started our chadwick which is long-term. You right we reading nod. Yes when you have a stake in it you always think about what value creation will do if you think about rise as an ecosystem way. Take stake in more strategically right. it's less about. Can i in our less avar. it's not about. Can i make ten x money. Because i put today this much dollar. I wanna make more tomorrow. It's more about. Can i grow our ecosystem to our strategies aligned. Do we have a joint vision. And if that if you know hey it's gonna take whatever two years five years. What are the timeframes. That should drive the so. We have not to be very honest. And we've not sat there and said we want to see a return next year now I think what i've till june is. Now it's your time to take this grow and we wanna make sure we are indicating and we're working with you on attitude working with commerce growing our ecosystem bathtub. You measure success. I think if you had to talk again in a year or mets eighteen months. I think the way we should be measuring success as have we both grown sons. Our business engagement the beyond revenue level. What are we doing. Transactions huffpost done in that world has grown classroom. That's all be cut. Speaking of the revenue resumes revenue dropped by seven percent and the most recent corner but that was an improvement over the prior quarter at verizon. Cfo at ellis said that ad revenue actually grew in the court. That's what spurred the lot of that. Is you know the few things one there are if you think about the ad categories for us. Now i'll talk about two sides have declined on the supply side are the key categories that have been doing well to news and finance for us been doing really well as county resort owned and operated on mail as well to a certain extent. Un people have been spending more time online digital growth has been going well the second on the demand side because you also have a big third party business As said you've signed up many new partners and now buzzfeed has also a new partner in that world but the big thing we did on the ad stack on our demand side platform. We went a lot of you in order to format so think about what. We're doing with connected. Tv dish lot of home though. There's a lot of home is now lower than there but it will be going eventually when cohen normalcy returns. So we've been investing in that with future minds but connected. Tv being a great example off the focus you had as well and detroit element to that. A lot of new categories that you focused on take gaming as an example. Entertainment has done pretty well. So that's been going fairly well at least on the site of course travel and some of the retail took ahead early on. They've started coming back up not travel not to that level but he would say retail and commerce has come back fairly well for us to lot of those warden at the garden to it and for us to show a growth on the ad side. And i mean again ad. Revenue grew in the quarter but overall revenue dropped for resume. What we're the shortfalls. We've talked about a little coming back. To shortfall is also in many ways some of the categories when you think about travel travel is generally a big spender. We already had ads of use growing when you think about our forecast and what we were thinking about doing there but we should have had more in a wave traveling some of the key categories but doing well and there was an industry-wide nargess tasks so that impacted us so that's that's not of the tax code related so any segment that was impacted by cohen. That did take so. That's what impacted us and Advertising to believe like the biggest revenue stream right now for resin media. But you have this goal where i believe. It's in the next five years. You want to get to a point where advertising subscriptions and commerce transactions i is a account for equal revenue so like each third What's the current breakdown in what needs to happen to get to that goal of parody. Sure we don't. We don't disclose the segment level today when you think about commerce ads and subscription redo talk about ads the way i would say is we started. We're still early on the journey From the time of these be laid out the vision we've started heavily on subscriptions. You've seen that. We had us established Businessmen became into a while and then be rented the new subscription business think about Yahoo finance premium crunch extra crunch and many other things that we're doing on the subscription model. That's been scanning pretty well. They've all been growing and we're seeing good results there The other bucket onions action side is mainly what commerce so inbox. Commerce has been a big one content commerce content commerce has been the other big categories and then also transaction be entered sports betting Importantly twenty nineteen. you know. now you're in four states with our betting partner mgm. so that's another aspect of it. So what i would say is be focused. Big part of twenty nineteen also twenty twenty investing in these vectors across the urine within ads. Think about connected. Tv and some of the new formats new supply diva's unique for us in that something will investing and as you start thinking about the five year horizon is really getting there so the measure we have today what needs to be too is am my seeing zero to one on these subscription models be launched on the transaction morals relaunch launch. We are seeing today. Watergate's vape paseo one. A lot of these takes Is really continuing to scale that in many ways across our ecosystem and i think what buzzfeed does to be honest ecosystem on commerce. And what do you add formats. It's going to help us. Accelerate some of that too and our approach is going to be all of these two approaches. What is owned and operated or we do within our ecosystem and second is partnership. Because we've always been it's been that makes you always have this working across all media industries in something of a cost cutting phase. We've seen a lot of it at warnermedia. Nbc universal disney buzzfeed had cost this year as well unfortunately fries and has the school to cut you know. Ten billion dollars in cost by the end of next year and again residency. Afo matt ellis said. During last month's earnings call companies not stopping there. We'll get we'll get to the ten billion dollars and then we'll just keep on going. What cost seems like huffpost. You cut costs there. Are there more cost of rising. Media will need to make so look. Commodore matt said in detail. I know you know the teams we are. We have lots of plans ahead of lot. Hobby opt all operate One of the things. I would say think about horizon media in a you've seen had been done a lot of that upfront oats in twenty eighteen. Some maybe twenty nineteen kind of getting to the right level and we've got that right baseline you. The full story for us was mortar rounds. We want to go. The top line with someone. Like buzzfeed in the strategic partnership. That's more important for us in a grand scheme of things. Those are all Cost if you think about. It are a sizable organization on. Think about raisa media And derived new bring in sowed at this point is a great baseline. We've been very very careful about how we hire and how we manage our teams this year. So that discipline has been very important for us because you always do the wrong thing about hiring building big teams ready quickly and then guess what you're managing sometimes the wrong way so we've been very capital way in terms of scaling right no scaling business so we want to what we have today. We wanna be making short. Our top of the funnel lead abuser. Engagement are on the outside. That's going with the base behalf today so in many ways mad talks about this as well is more arounds be producing more in many ways with the teams. We have today. That means you have more partnership can grow. And that's why i keep bringing bus. As a context buzzfeed saddam league just having huffpost within our ecosystem. Suddenly we increased that multiply by buzzfeed because of the partnership. We have right that yes do. We have invested partnership yes for sure went on our side on the product side or on the ads or content of that. But the scale we're gonna see is multiple accident. What would have seen with. Just you know one entity so so i would say it's more about how do we now focus on immigration. How do you focus with the people on girled and which is what you started seeing what he not s well good like oxygen showing some of the key categories like finance abuse. Or have you done this reallocated what we have people to focus on balloons okay. I think that's a good place to any girth much for taking some really enjoyed speaking with you. Thank you so much and thank you. Everyone for tuning in hope. You have a great and safe thanksgiving and we'll talk to y'all soon take a.

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Episode 386: Expected by Exactly Whom

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Episode 386: Expected by Exactly Whom

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That's really it up and they the islanders three times in a row next week. So it's you know we'll be back in the in the drugs here pretty soon. It's a problem. I i went. I went back. I've been watching. Because i knew we were going to do the show for a while. So i've been making a point of watching buffalo sabres games to the point where i went back and now that i'm working with prospects. I've got access to in-stat hockey and their video tracking software. And so i've actually actually went back and for some reason. Subject myself to walk re watching buffalo sabres games so listeners can. Oh i'm really committed to bringing you. The best product. Possible here in that included watching cbs' gains for the second time just so that i could be confident in my opinion. So that's why so. I give you credit for doing it. It's start life bo. We've chosen it for ourselves. So we have to so i went back and actually also really listened to our show that i mentioned the top there. Where we we deep dive. This sabers rebuilds and i thought we did a really nice job. I'm pat ourselves on the back. I thought we were fair. I thought we were critical where it was deserved. The one thing i regret though is when said a bunch of time especially at the end kind of like optimistically trying to fix the organization and we acted as if it really mattered. And when you're fricking curse as this organization is it's just it's pointless. I mean it's where do we even begin because the season has been such a roller coaster ride for for so many bad reasons. Obviously you know some self inflicted some of a very unfortunate nature which wasn't their fault at all but it's just you kind of go into it with the best of intentions and especially the starter and you're like all right. Well we got taylor hall. Ali's young players could conceivably get even better. There's reason problems. It's a clean slate and then the season gets going and it's it's just more of the same. Yeah it's crazy. Part is like the guys that you thought like going into gone here. That's a problem. Well i mean the guy had the best tending attractive his career before. We got covid in the to get kobe yet. Like the worst case of covid anybody's got in the league beside rossi so like that. Now that's just a little up their whole season. it's just it's players not playing to potential at the same time it's a crazy stupid unbelievable amount of bad locked her going down especially with their key. Players offshore will get deeper into it. But it's it's wild in and then you. Have you know the coaching aspect of it but the particular player which again i don't wanna get too deep noise. I'm sure we'll talk with that too. So there's just so much in the top level to rip apart with team but also makes them super interesting. Is there so much to. It'd be the some other young guys bryson who had a good debut last night and borgen looked good for a few games But he broke his arm in the first part of the doubles game played through it. They thought it was day to day and turns out broke his arm out six to eight weeks so like it's just one thing after another and then you lose mccabe who having the best season of his career because he needs a whole new now he has. Acl mci meniscus injury. And his knees so he's done for the season it's they don't even get back either. It could still be weeks if that so it. It's rough right now. Yeah i mean. Obviously when when i love call it's somewhat ingest but i do think before we really get into this. I think conversation about the sabers. You need to acknowledge it off the top that they've been just insanely unlucky and and it's not even goes beyond the typical sense which they've also suffered from of pucks knock going into the net which is a much more common way of being unlucky for nhl teams. But it's just a lot of stuff that that that we need to frame it through that lens before anything and it feels like you know we'd be doing ourselves in the listeners service. If we didn't mention. I mean first off. You've got the mass exposure to covid because of the league's negligence. As the only way. I think you can put in terms of allowing those devils games happen clearly at risk razzmatazz line and you mentioned getting terribly ill as a result and i know he someone date you know. We've made a habit of poking fun of on this podcast over the years because of his play but just reading about what he who is a an obscenely fit. Twenty six year old is going through. These symptoms is genuinely terrifying to read as a significantly less fit soon to be thirty year old here and so i just really hope first off. He's going to be okay. I think everything else is totally Meaningless compared to his long term health and ability to live a comfortable healthy life but on a significantly less importance scale you. You're right you mentioned that this just so happened to be him putting the finishing touches on what i can. I don't even remember him having a more effective than game stretch. I'm sure he had one earlier in his career but Pretty much across the board whether it was just being a menace on the power play like scoring a net front power play goal whether it was being paired with jake mccabe and having a fifty six percent expected goal share leading the team in goals above replacement like it was just it was a remarkable game stretch and after all these years of owning them now moving on from or why they were so patient with him he finally seems put it together and have this great stretch and then just the worst case scenario happens you've got j. Quick avis partner has mentioned out for the year and now he is going to be hitting restricted free agency with a complete break. And that's that's the worst. Yeah exactly especially at that age because you have no idea what he's gonna look like physically when he gets back hopefully he'll look like he did now but he was already kind of profiling as a probably valued player on the market. Because he's not someone who's going to put up jaw-dropping counting stats or anything. But just his defensive metrics inability to suppress stuff was was through the roof and nerds like you. And i appreciate it. But i'm not sure. How much unrestricted market radio market that would accounted for. And then borgen breaks his arm and he looked good in his finally getting an opportunity as well and so is a team that just completely decimated on the blue line and at the same time though. I think there's also been a bunch of issues on the ice in terms of tactical stuff and choices they made. And that's why i wanted to do the show because i think someone might be listening. That hasn't been following closely. And there's like okay. The sabers sitting twenty-seven then point percentage. I think they're sitting in last place in their division at the time of recording. You've got a minus seven goal differential for the year. It's like yeah. These are the buffalo sabres. Why why are you recording. A deep dive about this who they've been for the past nine years and i just think the specifics of how he'd gotten here and the fact that i really do believe they're one of the most interesting statistical profiles in the league right now in terms of being like literally a historically bad five and five scoring team and historically gray top three currently in the league power going. It's just like it's just so bizarre that the same players can produce such divergent results. And so. I think that's of why i wanted to have you on here but okay so this is a good place for us to start this. I guess because. I think if you're a believer that you create your own luck in this league or at least do things a certain way to give yourself a chance to benefit from it or maybe make you kind of less susceptible to these wild percentage swings than i don't think the sabers necessarily been tactically infallible or blameless in this. Because i think you and i both agree that when you look at the personnel. It feels like the certain choices that have been made aren't necessarily optimizing this current crew. And that's why. I don't want to just give them a complete free pass and why i actually thought that his merited an hour long deep dive of what's going on. Yeah no i think you're completely right. I mean it's. It's some of the players that they signed that we knew would be this. And i'm particularly talking about kogen in it's just the utilization of like jeff skinner Taylor hall not working like we thought Yeah i mean i. It's there's really is a lot to pull away and even defensively darlene. Got off to really tough struggle again but They've been forced into a situation where now they have no choice but to play him top pair minutes and he is taken that ball and run with it. So i mean that that's one of the promise things. I guess you could say but yeah i mean there's just so much krueger wise you really can dive into the ripta so pardon figuring out how crazy this is an artistic too. I mean so the thirty first and violent five scoring to put that into context. I think they're like depending on the site. I think evolving wild has one point five goals per sixty or something like that and i went back and looked the only scoring rate. I could find lower than that since two thousand seven is the twenty thirteen fourteen buffalo sabres. Who were like just a tad bit. Below and team was pretty much actively trying not to win. Hockey games right right. Yep which is alarming now. They're expected goals are slightly higher. There certainly not good. I think they're twenty six this year in terms of expected goals and and it's like three hundred fifty fifth out of four hundred twenty four qualifying teams in that span. Dating back to two thousand seven. So it's not like. I'm saying they've been completely unlikely here. There's clearly something flawed. But i i message steve alley cat. Who has access to the analytics data behind the scenes. Just because i wanted to you know sometimes we teams talk about or proprietary in house. Metrics are significantly different than what you're looking at public and it makes us look better than you probably think we aren't. We hear teams kind. Say that all the time palmer as was the most recent one. But he said that according to here which i think is more accurate representation. The have currently scored ten fewer goals at five one five than expected so far and they've been outscored thirty to twenty eight five on five this season so you kind of look at that and go okay. Well you know if they're playing up to their expectations and burning. What expect them to be there break even team and considering they have top five power play that would probably be good enough to be significantly more competitive and winning many more games and they have so far. So i'm kind of curious about sort of the conversation that's happening. Both internally with the team and also locally in the market in terms of the framing because you always hear when this happens there's gonna be people who preach patients and look at the bigger picture and understand that they've been a bit unlucky here and then there's going to be people that are like scoffing at it and making fun of expected goals and we're maybe suggesting that there the numbers are off or there aren't properly accounting for what's happening. I like kind of what's going on there in terms of that sort of relationship between all these moving pieces i think all that actually ever funny enough so there's a group of us In it you know it's mostly the stats. People like myself that are trying to reach patients. I mean you're at fifteen games now. Eventually the fear of this team is we're gonna preach patients preach patients in this preserve. Regressions gonna come but it's gonna be too late in Starting to track towards that. But you know the conversation. I'm telling you. Just you look around the lake jack taylor hall and even skinner did. They didn't forget to score goals. They're not going to shoot under four percent or five percent at five on five targets season. Like it's it's not going to. Maybe one of those guys does an outlier year. But what kind of season do you have. Those three players on the same team shoot like that. I mean it's it's and then you look at victor olafsson who will put every single puck in the net on the power play but at five on five. He doesn't have any five on five goals and he's shooting like to tools below. Expect last somebody looked you know so. It's it's not so you have a guy that shooting talent. That's just the puck. Not going in and i keep saying to people were. Yeah we'll get to in a second here how they're still not overall generating enough offense but they just got the puck to go in with what they're generating now they're probably worse fourth or fifth net division right now and we're not having this conversation we're just saying look at an average team. This division isn't really as good as we thought it was going to be in there in the mix while they're not getting the puck to go in and it's it's put them in a in a big hole here but overall technically yeah. This is the second year in a row. Now that they're just. I mean you mentioned the expected goes forward. They're still the bottom of the league to just not generating enough offense. And when you make additions. Taylor hall Bringing eric stall skinner Who still generating stuff you have. Eichel you have reinhard All of you know not a great five on five player but still he should be able to score goals. And then you bring in dylan cousins who her nineteen year old kid. He really brought that second line. He came back from covid He said he was as symptomatic the whole time and that was like i think you saw the crazy part with. What are you being quarantine for team. Canada and then athletic come the buffalo. He's been on like quarantine for thirty six days of the last three months. Something like that. It's seeing number but he's been great. I mean he. He's really brought that second together with hall install. So you're getting that impact to it's just still. There's a lot of point showers not enough to the net. Their transition game is pretty or they're just not generating anything off the restaurant. A lot of goes and seager scored on the rush. They're relying on their cycle game. This they don't have enough players. Who really can play that game effectively. Yes poor generous interpretation of i. Here's the thing. I want to be careful about how we talk about this. Because i think in general shooting percentage can really mess with your brains and your is for sure in terms of like just being an optical illusion even when you're looking out for it and when you're kind of aware that that's a possibility it's still gets you right because i think you can talk yourself into things are going poorly. It's like well. There's something fundamentally wrong. Then if it's someone's kind of playing over their head you're like oh well maybe you know they're in better shape. Maybe they're motivated more this year. And it's like a couple of pucks randomly bouncing off someone's butting going into the net and it's an entirely different conversation than it's not an issue or it's a great cut a story out of the gate and it really sometimes. Is that simple. And so i do think we need to be cognizant of it but at the same time and i'm not. I'm not sure if if you feel this way. But i am kind of sympathetic to the idea if you were a sabers fan or an analyst where you're like having a tough time the team the benefit of the doubt in terms of the bad luck department because there's nothing in the past decade or so. Now that's done anything to warrant feeling like this is kind of out of the norm. I got these historically bad percentages are but the idea of like implies that it's chance and it's eventually going to even out in our going on like nine years of a team that just been year-over-year unlucky for a variety of reasons. So i don't know what the explanation is for it But it is a really tough sort of thing to weigh in terms of like the emotional aspect of. This isn't like a great team that has just out of the blue having a bad season and you can be like cable. We can kind of talk this one up as as a fluke and throw it away at six fifty six game year. This is like kind of an extension of everything that's happened in buffalo for sure in that part definitely has married to it in that as part of the perspective that you get when you these numbers but i keep going back to. It's never it's never been this bad though like it's it i just keep using the word stupid like it's just stupidly. Delina i think is a perfect example for me he. He's a guy right now that i'm pretty sure as at one point. Six seven percent shooting percentage. His spectacles is at close to fifty one percent score. And you know venue adjusted in. Then you look at his actual goal differential telling fifteen percent like. It's just stupid stuff like that just makes no sense at never happens or if it happens to happens the one guy now at five on your team and it's it's just frustrating because head start this. If you just forgetting what you were supposed to be getting right now. This team is not going to try to compete for a stanley cup. Just trying to get in the playoffs. If they were just getting the goals been they'd be in the mix for. I mean they do an excellent job for all of kruger's cummings with his offensive restrictions. I guess you could say that debt. That guy can put together a nice defensive system. You've done it two years now and they're one of the best teams in the league at at supressing opportunities so you know alot events style isn't pretty fun to watch. It can work if they were getting the goals and it's not happening and it's maybe you can hold the new jersey game kind of boost them. 'cause i mean. They hit like three posts on a power play monthly scored and then scored twice in the third period at five on five so maybe that was kind of a turning point for them in boost them to give them some confidence. But you know it's it's i still can't get over this. How crazy numbers are. And it's never been like this before y- i've given this a lot of thought because i don't think saying they have a low shooting percentage and it will bounce back makes for riveting podcasting and doesn't doesn't give us an hour materials. I write given it a lot of thought in terms of if there's something where not necessarily accounting for maybe something that they're doing it's either exacerbating the issue or making them more susceptible to it in the one working theory. I keep coming back to is if you use the shot attempts for and against as as kind of like a proxy the rate of them as the pace we play which i tend to obviously has its flaws but i think it kind of gives you the representation of what's happening in the rate and they're playing at the thirtieth ranked pays at five five which is like literally just the smallest possible fraction ahead of detroit. And the right down at the bottom of teams dallas and saint louis and sort of the usual suspect and those teams have had success. So this isn't a save it. You can't be successful playing that way. Entertaining hockey doesn't necessarily equal positive results. But i think the bigger philosophical question that i hope they're asking themselves right now is are they built for that and should they be doing that as optimal way to be running this team. Because i think we'd agree. Coaches may job is to properly evaluate the strength and weaknesses of their personnel. And get the most out of that and we're going to work around them right and you look at a group. It's going to be mistaken for the russian five by any means but like i call hall. Skinner cousins dali even bread mantra who is a highly flawed player like his best skill is is skating and this is a team that theoretically their strength should be that ability to get up and down the ice and i'd be highly tempted to see what it will look like at least to take those training wheels off. Let them play uptempo. and instead. You've got this super low of an environment where nothing's happening for large stretches of time and at least a good defensive results but i wonder especially in terms of like the long term development of a player like dolly and weather that is the best way to go about. Bring him along because it seems like it's it's a pretty tricky way to have to play as as a young player. Today's game yeah for sure. I think we've talked about this in the offseason. Is you know when you went out and meet those signings hall style You're bringing cousins in this season No yes get. And i go online and all those guys. There's there's no reason for you to play on a low of an style. It just it didn't make sense when they made all those moves and they brought in hall is a good transition guy who plays with speed and they kind of focus on it with tobias rieder coming in and cody eakin. Those guys can skate. So you mean you see that. And you're like okay. Their defense can skate to with delina wrestling going. The caves decent skater. Colin miller can move to like you have some guy who can move on the blue line so this is gonna be team who's gonna probably transition better and you know try to get more on. The rush should be more effective and better for checking team. not decided to play last year. Well it turns out there. Playing the same style played last year. Which i don't think matches what they have that forward now. The caveat to that is where the glaring issue comes up in it. It's something that was an issue in the offseason as they didn't they didn't address their goaltending and hutton. Homework right now are two of the worst goal says above expected in the league In that's with a low event style hockey now if you open it up when score some goals but what's the likelihood also going allow more goal so that that's kind of where the catch twenty two as we hear. The conversations in buffalo is. Yeah let's open it up more but can goaltenders handle it now. All marked four or five games has played really really well and they're kind of just riding him out here but there is career. He's kind of been a guy he'll throw in ten games on he'll throw and five stinkers four good ones and bad ones. It's so much inconsistency. So that i think is ultimately the catch twenty two this team while yes they should open it up more. I'm not sure it's going to result more wins because their goal tiny still could be a problem. You know that is a good point. I was surprised to see that all marks numbers for the season whereas poor in terms of expectations as as they were. Because i guess maybe i just the reasons he buys his mohsen performances where even the game where he gave up a couple of goals in washington. I thought he played pretty. Well made some pretty ridiculous saves and you can kind of see that lettuces them. And i don't know the part is flipped from last season. Where he's right. He was one of the best five on five goals in the league last season. But it's probably killing were atrocious. It's flipped year is probably kill. Numbers are really good in five on five. Numbers are pretty poor. So it's it's crazy flipped on them. But i guess there is probably a middle ground there though where the stars are team. I mentioned that the generally plays a low event styles. Can i consider to be stingy. Defensively but as we saw in last year's postseason They were very opportunistic in terms of when they would pick their spots like they would nail those transition opportunities like know and it helps having guys like hiking and obviously to kind of move. The puck quickly in klingberg but of an enhanced and so on and so forth like they would cut all teams to sleep a little bit where they would let them let the vegas golden knights dancer around the offensive zone and keep everything to the outside and then after seven minutes they would get the puck and quickly. It will just randomly be like three onto going the other way and they would make the most opportunities and i guess. Maybe it's on the net. What just happened kind of thing right. Yeah and you're like okay. Well we were playing them for such a long period of time and we have nothing to show for it. And i don't think that was. That's a fluke. Like i think it's a risky. Wait play by those clearly by design and they pulled it off and so if you're they sabres team you can still play although we're event environment but that transition game i mean it feels like sometimes and it is so bizarre because you would think that they have the puck carriers to do it they just. I don't think it's as simple as like. They're being coached not to because it's just so bizarre to me that it's not happening more. It feels like it's kind of being beaten them in a way not to take those risks. Because that's the only possible explanation for why you're not seeing highly. Gifted skaters breaking out into the transition. Were often. yeah it's interesting. I was looking at 'cause i was thinking about the exact thing that transition stuff is just didn't line up to your match so i was looking at corey. Snyder's micro stats the other day. It's only like game to think he's tried to the sabres small window but it kind of gives you an idea of what's happening so my theory was they. Were dumping the puck and a lot. Well that doesn't release. If the case i think still top ten in the league and entering with possession and the elements of but if i remember correctly really twenty four through twenty fifth in chances off of entries. But i think what's happening here in new jersey a couple times. I wrote down. If you like the time to go back and watch the video again they would get the transition going through the neutral only to enter with speed than nothing would happen. It'd be a turnover player would stop irby bad past and that kills the play. Just think they're they're. They're getting the starting point rate but it just it falls apart. Nothing happens from. It'll be a bad pass office stick. Somebody will pull up in. Allow the rest of the defensive. Get back into the play. So i i think that's the issue. I think. They lack support in creativity and transition in that could be issue is still not enough speed or even creativity itself on this team in. That's hurting them. Maybe you know it gets back to the system. Thing where kruger thinks. They're better cycle team. Which i just don't believe in it. And maybe that's why they're not fully going that hardened transition and in setting up these players. They're trying set up a cycle play. I guess you could say so. That keeps getting back to the system. But i really think there's a lot of what i call empty calories for this team in. I think it's really hard to especially for players like and hall. Kind of live and thrive off that transition game. Yeah there's a reason why so. Many teams shifted to like primarily attacking the russians. Because the data shows how much likely you are to score on shots off the russia's opposed to sort of stagnant off zone sets where you're kind of settling for a point shot through traffic while the defense and the end the defensive shells and the goalie are set and kinda shifts. The matt in your favor but yeah that's what he kinda keep coming back to here. It's like you have a bunch of players. Were clearly imperfect as a lot. Pretty much the majority of joe players are but you have the each got to h reason for the most part right and you have certain skills and it's up to you to get the most out of them and like vitrolles thing for me is one of the most puzzling things where he at the power play. He's got thousand power goals in seventy six career games since the start of last year. Only pasternack dry say and matthews have more goals with the ban advantage. He's shooting twenty eight percent on the power play and that seems low based on watching buffalo sabres games because if he has like every single one of his buca which is winds up if he gets a one timer. It's gone and feel like yeah exactly. Yeah it's like it's impossible. It's just a matter of whether he's gonna hit a spot or not because the goal is not gonna stop it and it's a big reason why powerful is third in the league in scoring so far on a permanent basis and at the same time you put that in contrast with he's got what six goals at five on five over a thousand career five on five minutes now including zero this season which doesn't make him. You need the buffalo saber but is still an alarming continuation of trend and especially because eight hundred fifty of those have been with jackal and yeah think like all right so you got all listen. Who has this remarkable shot. We had an power play. What are you doing to manufacture easier. Looks for even strength. It really would seem logical lake even though he's not necessarily the most fearful player that getting the team out in space on the rush where he has more time and he may be on automatic advantage. You've got three hundred or four on three coming down. He's going to be unchecked and he's going to have that same sort of look as he has on the power play and they're just not nearly enough of that and i do wonder like whether that is something. They're looking at right now and kind of concerned about if he is going to be just purely a power specialists which is remarkably valuable. Or if there's some tinkering they can do to squeeze more out of that shot at even strength because if that goal total just is not good enough for how good that shot is nice to meet you. You just a bad five on five player. And he's twenty five years. Old i know is only a year and a half in the league but played a lot of sweden. That was his game. Played played a two year and a half of asia hockey or once. He's in at least that was his game. Now he's in the nhl and he's doing the same thing he's just he's just a power play specialists and don't get me wrong. There's value in that because he's a really good powerplay specialist. So i mean i'm not saying they shouldn't play him at all but why is he playing top minutes at five on five. Oh that's the thing. I think the need to accept it. They need you to barium at five on five deeply at eight hundred fifty minutes with our goal and he has five goals. What other player would get that leash if some guys on articles being skinner got two games on there he didn't scoring hold off olsen gets one hundred and fifty minutes in. He has five goals at five and five but like oh nobody gets that leash sheridan get at least at least skinner didn't get it. I mean nobody does but he does so. I don't know if the just trying to force a square peg in a round hole him. You just need accepted. It's who he is and it's fine that he's a player. I call him a poor man's lining. It's fine let him be that guy. Put him on your third and fourth line. Maybe he'll get loose sometimes in by one five and popu goal or you know five to six goals at five on five and then he's in a wreck up his goals on the powerplay sledding. Be that guy. There's no need to continue to let him play top laminate because a lot of plays diagnostic against the wall. He loses the puck and transition. He makes the wrong pass. And and that just. I think it's hurting transitioning. Because you'll see a lot of it you know he'll he'll push it off to Olsen just entering his own. And then it'll be the play diced or he'll get on the wall in a cycle play in the play dice so they just need to get off that wing. I don't know if it's going to happen because the they're stubborn and frustrated when they want what they want But yeah they gotta make. I'd almost even the toughest in just the right. This is in there and and just accept who is this point. Well and when you're not paying a premium for which they aren't right now based on his contract status That is a valuable asset. I think back to was a twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen. Maybe there was that what year were columbus randomly had an amazing power play and they had like sam gonyea who they signed for the lake. The league minimum playing on their phone line and then he just come out on top of the power play and they just had beautiful motion and he wasn't like obviously the man shooter the that all of a sudden is in this case but it was that sort of same sentiment of pretty much appeared a powerful especially where he's not going to be playing much at even strength but he's going to generate you some easy offense here there and i don't think that's anything to scoff ad. Because as we're seeing he's valuable player and that's literally the only thing that's keeping this theme afloat so far. Yeah i couldn't agree more. I just on author producing when he wants what he wants. 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They give them seventy two million over eight years then last year in the first year deal they play him primarily wave some combination of market johannesson connor sherry. Evan rodriguez watts aboard. Guy thing those are all of his top five hundred linemates cut his minutes. They basically take a minute at five on five. The board have mentors on the power play. His shooting percentage dips. It gets cut in half which kind of happened on his way. Out of carolina think a reason why carolina our him and he quote unquote only scored fourteen five hundred five goals last year. All of which is all goes right by one five that was more than markedly mark stone. Sasha bar clubs andrea such nicole. john. Taveras patrice bergeron. Filip forsberg to put that in perspective. So they come in this year. And from what i gather. They're the suggestion. Or implication was they want to spread the wealth. They feel like he can help. Drive play on his third line and fifty one percent shot share sixty one percent. High danger chance share. It seems like the accomplished that. Like obviously the offense wasn't there but in terms of playing up to your kind of territorial responsibilities. The seems like he did just fine. Scratch for these past two games. And i guess the question is like what are you. If you're being genuine about this and taking on its face. What are you realistically expecting from a player. That's playing full-time with with curtis lazar riley who have historically been black holes offensively shared and most memorably in two thousand sixteen seventeen despite playing the full-time season with the red wings didn't score his first goal until the last game of the season so it just like with those two players yet. He is hobbies inaugurate that he has zero goals and one assist so far. It looks bad. Yup but were you expecting that he would be crushing it. Offensively given the opportunity you were giving him. That's the thing i keep going back to. It seems like it was just this like sort of. They put him in a position to fail and away and he almost didn't didn't fail. They were probably expecting and they. He's still punished understanding ways. Yeah i think. That's the entire thing that i'm looking at. I wrote about this weekend and that was the entire thing. I don't know what krueger wants them in really. It's it's frustrating in kind of what i'm accepting at. This point is the simple answer is well crew. Which wasn't like the player in last year and he's doing the same thing on this year. He talked the preseason about training camp about principles. Yes a follow principles. And i i. I don't know what that means. Is there different principles. Like he's playing. Better defensively the news offensive. Typically kyle okposo following these principles to write. It does it doesn't check and that's why it comes back to. He doesn't like the player. But i don't know what you're expecting. What you want out of the line really the she and lazar skinner line makes them a three line team. They're winning. they're minutes. I mean i was get back to. The objective of the buffalo sabres is to not badly lose the minute. Chicago's not on the ice. And that line wins their minutes. In almost every measurable metric goal differential expected goals goals against shot quality against Chances had high danger chances like the. They're winning everything. What do you think is going to happen. You're putting lazaro shannon. The guys don't score goals you're asking them to be checking line in his last game. He got no offensive zone. Starts altogether three defensive zone starts. No offense starts so he's pretty deployed in a defensive role. Which again they succeeded at in created offense. I think he's top twenty in the lead individual expected goals. Just the pucks. Not going in. I i just. I don't know what krueger wants if you can. Deploy him that way in. Expect goals but get everything else. Raise them to do in the way. You're deploying him and then scratch them it just it doesn't it keeps coming back to. He just doesn't like the player and that's that's the points all this. Yeah you if you got to get over that like this isn't this isn't a sunk cost. He's he's stubborn right. But this isn't like in some cases when a player especially if they have hit a certain age like okay like this is a bad contract. We're just not gonna get value out of this. Let's not try to double down here like let's play him. This is not a player you bury. He's turning twenty nine. Twenty eight yeah. He's got six years and nine million per the thing is though he's making i think million combined and real salary over the next four years so he's got this no claws and i've seen people go like oh this is the first part of the dance where they're gonna alienate him into waving his no move. It's like in this climate. Where like an atom henry for significantly last basically just pass through waivers You're just not seeing teams taking on financial commitments for one or two years. Let alone six years taking. That contract doesn't matter. He can say he can. He'll go to any of the thirty other teams like it's it's not happening. And so the bizarre thing for me is like your team. Who's struggling violent fiber score goals skinner so far this year is a guy who historically scored five and five goals at a very high rate and you're one strength as a team. Is your power play as we talked about so far and he's like a all time great penalty drawer and i think he's drawn six penalties so far this year and it's like if only nine hundred in the league and penalties john per sixty minutes and it's like okay if you're a bottom six guy who is literally just draws penalties. At a high rate he can do nothing else. And that's going to be able to score five on five scorers in the power place that makes even more valuable. Yeah exactly. It's so that that's what i keep going back to. It's just crazy. And so like i said before i asked valid for the clear stat analytics Numbers for this and so the vaulting hockey has two point. Nine three expected goals at five on five natural. Tajik hasim at two point nine five. Cca asthma three point. Seven five one five expected goals so far this season so the public models are underrating the quality of the looks he's generating so far and how much we expect him to score and it's just it's crazy if it wasn't so sad it would be funny but it is it is sad and so i'm not sure what the takeaway is here and sort of what how they're going to bridge this gap between coach and player because if krueger doesn't like them at this point just kind of is what he is and you and i both agree that he doesn't eat change because that's perfectly valuable even if he is overpaid but so. I don't understand like how this impasse will be resolved and the bewildering thing for me. Is you can envision a scenario where they put him back in and he scores because he's a good player who's due to score. Dialogue will be about how he was motivated in how this was actually the right decision. And it's like. Oh my god and you know like articles and tweets will happen. Oh absolutely abs- kerr will be glorified see what he was doing. The whole time at work stop. This was only a matter of time when that happens. But i don't even know what he's going to get back in because i find it hard to believe they're gonna play him thursday against the devils. They just you know. You don't want winning lineup. Although they took him out of the lineup after they won a game but also winning lineup because restless has had a shot off his stick from jack uncles. So he's got staying now and then what maybe against the flyers on the weekend. Maybe what if they win again. Then he's out again now. What are we doing now. We're at a week at five or six at seven games. So it's i don't know if there's thinking this is a way to give them the way to move close. It's not gonna work the he. He wants to play close to home. And that's one of the reasons. He ended up in buffalo because carolina gone away. Business is okay fine trauma buffalo. What do you think he just going to say okay. I'll go play in seattle. Wherever there no didn't say the same thing. Okay trade me our. I dunno montreal. Those two options. Good luck there. He's gonna make it easy for them. I don't know why he would either. You shouldn't i think we need have a conversation about ralph brunner. Think we do i. I wonder about him. I really do. The media is nabbed with him. And you water carrying freshman got hired two. You can see why like you. Listen we moan all the time about how. This is a sport with no personality or thoughtfulness or any sort of dynamic personality qualities beyond hockey hockey hockey hockey. Twenty four seven and like incomes as guy who is clearly charming kind of a worldly guy will travel thoughtful. Seems to be fun to talk to. I'm sure a lot of these people who write articles about him and get scoops loved chatting with him beyond the theoretical idea of him. they do. We genuinely have any reason to believe that. He is best suited to be behind an nhl bench and could be an effective nhl coach. You seem to at least the past year and a half now or a year and a third of a season he is certainly constructed. Good definitive results. So that that that is something like they're not a completely porous in their own end and and it's clearly by design so You know that is something that i would point who i guess just. In terms of the personnel usage the adjustments the system the strategy especially being exposed a little bit this season where you've got these three straight games against the islanders and you're just kind of approaching it. Certain certainly shorthanded way. You're approaching it each game the same way and it's like you're playing right into the islanders like love for you to play this type of way because they're better at it. They're going to beat you at when he tried to put snap. It's what happened in the last game. He tried to play the islanders style. It worked for a period. And i was like okay. This is google play our game and then we're going to beat you up just beat out to set the home game. They're the best in the league at used. You can't try to do that and try to every time and it's hurt him so i i don. I don't know it's you know the thing i've always said about krueger is i think. Long term That he's at he's at eventually at some you move them to the front office real. Because i remember correctly he got hired even in view he did. We talked about wanting to come back in the front office role and then all of a sudden. He's a coach. Okay that's interesting because we heard the connection between kruger sabres. Maybe the bringing president of hockey obser- some sort of finger team president and then he's the coach the okay i guess this is the best the dynamic i think has always been there and i think he can act like if you mentioned. He's a good guy He's well spoke. He's intelligent on even just a world perspective. I think he'd be a good guy to act as a buffer between the bengals. Who put their foot in an off every opportunity they get in no he can be the guy to stop that as a coach is at tactician of the modern game. We haven't seen any ing that has indicated that he's good at that going back to edmonton. Maybe he was unfairly fired but still altering good good results he has. The coach is a small tournament for team europe. Playing the low of an style that could work in a small tournament right works in the playoffs. So you know so that. That's a i don't know my hope is maybe after this season. Alright well we're gonna bump you up and we're going to get a new coach because adams technically didn't hire him. No so maybe that comes about. I mean julian's out there now. Boudreau was out there. I saw a thing from pure lebron talking about you. Know what if rod brind'amour's free agent who worked with kevin atoms and you know so. Maybe that's an outside chance they could look at too so there's names out there Even go on the mentioned him. He still out there. So there's some names on the could run down if they wanna make a change. But i don't know i i think eventually he's gonna go there but i just don't want it's going to happen if you lack of offensive creativity. Can i offer you unclogged. Julian who i think would be a man. All jokes aside a massive step up in terms of tactics and squeezing results out of the team. But yeah i wonder it seems certainly seems like the the connection and relationship with taylor hall was a reason why they hawkins and i think anyone in some a lot yup important in a situation right now. I think you need to hit michaels. Happy as possible. And i think you know. Correct me if. I'm wrong. But everyone i've talked to about. This seems to believe that. I'm not sure how far along in the process they are. But the belief is that taylor hall will be staying in buffalo for for for some time like this isn't really a one year deal like it was if you if you look at it on the cap friendly page but The connection there. It seems like this will be more of a longterm relationship. It's interesting because actually hit the couch. She was only about that today. That told me they think that's a little bit overblown and not kinda say that's going to happen yet. they said renounce hubby at best fifty fifty But they did say unless their way out of it they don't expect to have traded But they said you know the lebron. I don't have the article of the comment or whatever They said that's maybe a little bit cart for the horse kind of thing because they don't think they're that far yet if you're pitching a player on signing away the rest of their productive years. This season certainly has been a very enticing one so far right exactly exactly but let's talk about some silver linings. 'cause i think if you look at it now i believe they're currently in this stretch of ridiculous scheduling where they have like thirty six games in sixty three days or something by my count which is just insane leading up to mid april There certainly difficulties in terms of if you were gonna improve this team in terms of trading disgust through messages about how they come at. Tsa home would be very interesting considering all of their injuries and the blue line because they still has quite a bit of game left. He's only got one year left on his contract that appear reasonable hit and certainly the way teams. Ice time is usually an indication of how in favor of that player is within the organization. He has been like as significantly cut as i can remember for a player. That's still somewhere near their prime. And so it seems like one puts out of the door there and it just a matter of where the landing spot is going to be and so he'd be an interesting player. But i don't know if you're in a position as a sara lee to be making moves like that when you are where you are in terms of the sabers right now and the fact that you probably wouldn't get that player in your lineup for at least you know a a certain amount of time in which specially with the schedule of thirty six games. Sixty three days missing. Two weeks could be a significant number of games. You're missing so. I'm not sure if it's worth it and know teams have figured out some way ron eleven players to for private planes. That goes might fifteen till like seven or something like that But still yeah. i mean. they're they're going to miss game. So that's the difficult. But i mean you're looking at a situation right now on the left side of the blue line it's lean and then it's a rookie jason. Brazen it's matt in and that it's brandon davidson. Which is you know. So i i feel like if you want internet. And there's the you know. The friedman reports that they have brandon montour out there so at an oath to mccabe. Injury is going to prevent them from doing that. Or they're gonna hold until resigning comes back. But i think the need to address the left side of their defense A guy that. I really liked that. I think is underutilized and montreal. And maybe julian's gone. I don't know if that changes things. But who is somebody that i would look at I think he's a guy. Could you know he's a cheap contract. Which s base but now they have some. Ti are they could use if they really wanted to with mccain gergen's But yeah i mean if in kind of rotating with in montreal. I've always liked him. And i think they don't value as much as they should. He's kind of one of the nerds under appreciated players. I guess you could say so. Now if it was me. I wouldn't targeted gallagher komo's and it costs a lot of money or not a lot of money a lot of assets that go him I just don't think that position. But i would definitely try to run down a player like even mezei if they do decide to move him wants out. Yeah i'm really interested in the into decision making processes and sorta reaching conclusions especially with the front office reshuffling during the offseason. And sort of what i do. We have any indication of what that process is like in terms of the The hierarchy or or the voices of all right now. Because i keep coming back to like we talked about it and it's it's a small thing in isolation but like how you possibly could look at cody eakin last year and decide to give him two years as a free agent and now they're sort of the onerous on play in the cup finals. I'm not kidding. I mean it's so brutal because when you're when your best players aren't producing the way they are in so far you just really cannot afford to be giving away any minutes and pretty much every time. That line is on the ice. They're just giving away those minutes to an extent and i don't. I'm curious like what what what is the process right now. In buffalo in terms of evaluating players in the choices they area that you're making adams facto gm. In the way i put it is it's adams. Gm he has no assistant gm so his assistant. Gm's ralph krueger. And i honestly believe that. So it's kind of a one two punch with those two But yeah i mean it all falls back into the gula and you could just see it in the draft that are sitting at the table during pregnancy both of whom are sitting at the table and there is video they put out about. You know taylor hall. When they you know they. They showed some clips from free agency day. And how they kind of. Rain down taylor hall in. There is a closed door audio thing you know with adams and boola boola talked about you know how you know signing hall shows that. We're we're going to be a cup contender now. Dude what they ought to touch kind of argue. So that's the concerning part that you know. He has his favorites. Roussillon is a favourite of the owner. And the reason. I believe that he's still here You know honestly. I have a feeling that he hears about a dozen other. They're not pleased about paying skinner ninety dollars to not play because that was a that was a big issue that came up over the summer july firs bonuses redo about all these players that are owed bonuses and they had to pay out. That don't play that much. So the sabers. I ever had a bad roster decisions based says avenue then i know i know i know so. That's so yeah. I think the are heavily involved here. Nineteen that's part of the problem Now i personally give adams full credit for it. He's been able to do. This is the first time. General manager. Only i had manager. This is a guy really has never been a hockey ups for an office before he was hired. He was in charge of human resources for the buffalo sabres like he was their business. Bp or someone that forgot his exact title so that's what he was doing and always played hockey's the game so he has experienced there but that will ever in a front office role but he made some good moves on gutter stall he got taylor hall. Whether that was kruger's helper tobias rieder was a good addition rally. Shame let's take a good edition for cheap. So he's made some nice moves out. I don't know how much is hamstrung. He doesn't have a lot of help around him. No no assistant general managers nobody with experience in that front office. Now he just has the one analytics guy matt ellis. Dan girardi already as a player personnel. Guys that's really it and ralph. Krueger's got in ralph frugal. But yeah exactly yeah. Yeah it's it's tricky. Because i think we can definitively say from years of experience and countless examples that making big decisions based off of these kind of wacky percentages that they're kind of incurring the season is a bad idea like allowing it to influence judgment on eddie player is terrible and you're gonna wind up regretting it and so i just wonder like how are you even approach that right now like a for me. It's interesting because i think people are understandably focused on jack eichel his feelings and how you know if yuan's out and why why would take to get them and i understand why people do that to get to get clicks and and have full targeting. But like for me. I think every single smart team. That's eyeing the sabers right. Now is having many more internal conversations about sam reinhart than they are jack eichel and should be you know a nine fifteen. A sub five on a shooting percentage of a tricky negotiation has seasons. Rfa now a player who. I don't know what it is about. How would you describe it in terms of something while the his playing style just like causes people to to disrespect him and reminds really lax. Because he's not he's not flashy. He was a second overall. Pick second overall picks. You want the guy who was arnaud. Flashy fancy panty moves. He makes in. That's not a style he's just. He's not the quickest gator which a lot of people beat him up on. But you don't have to be because he thinks the game so quickly. You saw it against new jersey. If you watch the game just the two plays. He made to set up the power play goal. Then another one for the other goal so it's just keys so undervalued in so underrated. It's there's people calm soft and he can't play in the number. This guy is takes the beating on always gets up. So it's it's not under appreciated. He is and i wonder how under appreciated the are Honestly i think if he wasn't lie closest friend on the team. I wonder if he's still be here. And that's also part of the keeping epa trade. A lot of eichel's buddies begovian Going all the way back to jimmy mcginn Of andrew cain was close with him Ryan riley was closer to them to even though there is a craziness that they didn't get along which came turned back to be completely false. They still keep in. Contact the rally ankle. So i kind wonder too while we talk about reinhard if i go still around. I don't really know if they're going to want to touch that. I guess i would say anything falling backwards into a great decision of keeping an all busy favorite style of favor style so good so good Yeah so i guess i. We have really talked about all that much. We're gonna ten generally been like referencing them and stuff. I just I really thought that was like the least interesting part of this. Like having two goals and one at five one five is is weird and certainly not ideal for the sabres but like i went back and watch allah shot so far. I know you wrote about this recently. Lake the raiders. There like it's not like it's being inflated with empty calories shots like all the qualities there. I don't see anything technically that makes me think that something has significantly changed. I think shooting four percent of this point is just a complete aberration against the one functional question. If you were the sabers though would be all right. He's clearly not a four percent shooter. but is he gonna be a sixteen percent shooter like was last year or is he going to be more of a nine to town like he was for the first four years of his career. Not that it changes your opinion on them but i do think in terms of goalscoring ceiling. Clearly i think there's a pretty big gap between kind of expectations depending on on which side of that argument you fall. Yeah i think you way overshot expectation last year. We we've never really see. I think he was like fourteen. Goals over. Expected overall is not so. I think realistically user on a ten percent shooter Which is fine if he's gonna give you the penny how much he should high volume now. So so you know. What if he gets you twenty five to thirty. Then he's gonna give you decent playmaker gives you another fifty sixteen assists and The crazy part for me. When i look at eichel If you look at the public bottles the underlying His on ice impact. It's actually better than what it was last year. Defensive right and that's when you gotta be votes so like that. That's crazy by the puck was going in the net for them and they were in in the conversation. I think he would be if he was scoring goals. If he had the points kind of back. I think he'd be in that. Mvp conversation again. So it's another frustrating part is just. I don't know a lot of people i think in. Buffalo are turning them There's a lot of negative coming out. That isn't true. They just not a good leader. Doesn't care you know he's been here so long. It's obviously he's issue because he's only been there hasn't changed so it tends to look. Treat him whatever who cares. It's it's just it's it's kind of a nonsense thing and even a trace of reference. I think overblown right now. Realistically only from what i've been told but the sabres can kind of where it's going But realistically logical pointed to serious have until twenty twenty two. That's what is no movement clause kicks. He's not asking for trade. After fifty six game season cova pandemic in allowing you to trade him to ottawa. Yeah that he's not doing that. He's gonna wait 'til no movement kicks in and then when he wants to to hold you down and make them trade you either. La the rangers or boston. Because that's where he'd wanna go doesn't want to go to minnesota or ottawa or montreal or anywhere or winnipeg not. He's not gonna let you do that. He's going to want to go where he wants to go. And he's till his no movement kicks in and then he's on a whole system down on you. If you really want to move at that point so it just yeah. I think a lot of getting carried away with a trade things because it's not happening in the office i i'd be very. He'd have to get really frustrated because then he doesn't have any power control. They can go wherever they want to go with them. He survived this long. I don't know what would happen. That would finally put him over. The edge is history through it. So we'll see. But yeah. I mean this hopefully start scores more goals so we can stop having these conversations about how he looks disinterested. Because there's just nothing. I we i know. Hit an offseason injury that i think is carried into this season. I pardon me wonders if he does have something else to maybe he's nursing all the underlying and the regeneration and everything is right there right there. It's not the numbers which is bizarre. Speed is only that kind of makes me concern something. Because he doesn't have that great gear single night. Yeah right true. And that is but ultimately makes them special. So let's let's get out of your some stuff. Where can people check out your work. And what are you working on these days. yes so over. The pandemic is starting to talk about this last time as i started my own website which was a bold move routine the second play for ten months. But it's worked out so Expected buffalo is the site You cover the more of a Stats llc advance. Stats kind of focused in the sabres. there's three of us myself. Anthony and eddie Hammering the sabres in the in the number of stuff behind it so That's where you can find me. Expected buffalo dot com. That's for most of my continents right now That are podcasts. Expected buffalo the podcast You know anywhere two items. Google play spotify. B-share go through our sabres misery there. So if you ever want to join astaire it's good stuff is really wanna rebel on the sabres misery and up and down this of just being a sabres follower and fan about well. This is a blast. 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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 217: Featuring Eddie Olczyk

Spittin' Chiclets

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 217: Featuring Eddie Olczyk

"Blew up two hundred seventeen of spitting chickens presented by Pink Whitney the pink lemonade flavored vodka from our friends at the new Amsterdam Vodka. What's going on? Everybody Hope Y'all had a great weekend. Just WanNa let you know we're GONNA be recording a tad early this episode. A couple of guys have a busy travel Sunday so we gotta do it a little bit earlier. Just WanNa let you guys know that speaking of the boys let's go say hello to them right now. My Ige rally produce a nice lady got there what's going on guys Looking forward to hanging out with you guys in Philly next week some big interviews on tap in a another event so looking forward to it. Likewise Ryan Whitney. What's going on buddy is a too cold for Golf Seattle? What I was talking about this today with somebody? How or you guys great? Great great to see you again and I will bring up. I have a little formula that I use no wind and sunny I can do. Forty one degrees grease. That's my Max. No wind and cloudy. I needed to be forty five degrees and windy and sunny. I needed to be at least fifty so I have a very bitter nut. Job Is what you are the fact that he's all year exact numbers. Just I've been outside enough to be like okay. I could tell youth if you ask me. What the temperature is outside visit Philly? I'll tell you jake six. I'd say fuck you. That's a content. Grenell write it down right now every every single day when we stepped outside. Fuck the problem is though is I trust. I don't think you'd be looking at your phone at the weather APP. Would y'all buddy. I would never you kidding me me. I mean it gets handed broken sticks in Chicago. Not The guy that's going to be checking my phone. I'm a man of honor that's true that's true I knew this. The last member of Buffalo some Paul Biz Nasty Bissonnette. What's up buddy are gonNA throw it right back to you but he just a team guy? He says like some of our travel schedules. The only reason we're recording on Saturday as opposed the Sunday is it. Because it's my fault so you're a team guy you kind of put it on the TV tell it just pretty special data mom that's going to be but nonetheless. I'm the reason that if something crazy happens on Saturday night. NHL which. I mean it's been a pretty crazy year. So far every Saturday there's some type of storyline if we ended up missing it and have to push it to the next episode sons on me boys but it's for a great cause. I get to go back home to well in Ontario for hometown. Hockey Ron Ron. Fuck and clean is coming. Well in Ontario Dude. I don't think you guys understand. This guy is Canadian royalty like. It's a Sunday night and I'm going to be had note afterward for a few POPs search for a lot of stories. I'm assuming and there's a lot of people are going to be hurting on Monday. Well and is going to be the least productive city in Canada on Monday. Coming appear and it's such an honor that I got asked to do it and remind you. Dan Pie is going to be there. Stanley champions with the Boston bruins probably he. Who's part of that fourth line? That was just incredible. Correct like Dan Pie. Unbelievable huge backup so he brought the cup home to Welland so vodka. He's royalty in Wellin- Alan. We got Dan Girardi who just retired. Unbelievable career. Guy Was undrafted. H Hawks eight bucks breakfast. Matt Ellis tell us a rudy type. Where do this guy like? No one ever thought he was going to see a game and ended up getting what two three hundred whatever it may be et greet NHL career. And then I got asked of course and we get to go. Thank everybody from back home. Who made our dreams possible? Because like you guys know coaches growing coming up. I was blessed. I had unbelievable coaches every year. I had a lawyer for a coach. Mark Larose who who when we couldn't find practice time or we weren't allocated the practice time from well a minor hockey. He would pay it of his own pocket and go rent ice in another city just so we can get on the ice like what. That's fucking wild. Isn't it something. Ah like guys like that. Mr Crawling Mr Shannon. All these different guys I get to go bank. And and they were all our coaches because we all came into the NHL at that same time so we all all had the like we were all getting passed on the exact same coaches so that was the formula for success. And of course I mean well and just you know it's a it's a tough town man you've breath you're behind the eight ball maybe a little bit. You don't have the resources the kids in Toronto do and we you know. We put our group of our core group of guys at that period of time. Kind of put it on the map. So it's going to be a very special day and I kind of rambled on there quite a bit. Well two things one Sunday night. Somebody's getting put on the workbench and well and to ooh I've been I've been when I worked up at Sports Net and even people at NHL Network that no Ron Maclean not often do you get a guy. That's that famous and that at high up and respected. There's never been a bad word. Said about the guy. People said he's to look the best guy ever work with when they they've been with him. I think he's done the Olympics and he's he's done it all and everyone says he's just a joy to be around. And the best part is I guess after all the work star Ronaldo and have a night firm soft he likes deserves saves it. He Crushes Drake's tell stories and he's one of those guys. The More Jersey has the happier he gets so we took a shirt off. Going to be fun for you because he took. He took his shirt off one time at a bar in Victoria and ripped up and he was. Yeah he's Jack and the picture went viral and like I don't think people understand the type of the pressure that's on this guy in order to deliver like Canadian news you mentioned I mean he's more he's more sports. If not all sports I mean you said he did the Olympics. Like you're on the center centerstage. You have to be on the ball every day and he a robot. He never really slips up until he goes to. The barn takes his shirt off and I wouldn't see it is. Yeah but he's your showing everyone that he's just poor crushing. Hgh Ronnie mcphee Look Hgh clain. So worst this nickname then no no. It's it's Dan. I love it age clean. It was but I wasn't being sarcastic. He walks in any place Jason Canada. Like whoa that's fucking rob mclane. He's he's I would say. He's just as recognizable as the prime minister in Canada. Yeah Definitely I. Would you say special offer strike off Rani my bad. That's good stuff though Biz funny. I almost said codger. Like the last of the FAB. Four when I brought you when I was like that obviously that comes from the Beatles. I'm like if we were the Beatles Beatles though I was thinking the WHO which one would we be and I was like obviously you to Apollon fuck and John I would say Whitney is John Lennon has glennon was kind of like grumpy. Be Sometimes shot. That's how bad you want me to get killed. Deer funked up her dreams. So aw fuck you with for going dark there. He said as your bed grumpy I only genius for Christ sake definitely. Paul McCartney the charismatic when always smile mile whatever GRANOLA Ringo. He's the backbeat Keach everything together. And I'm fucking George Harrison. True true musician fantasy. They trump drummer. Ringo was the Drummer Brunelli. I'm George Harrison kind of like glue behind it all but I I don't know if it was sixty minutes. I Watch recently Paul McCartney. He's the one who's still going. WHO ended up getting divorced Vorst and you had to pay like a hundred sheets or I think it was way my battery okay? All right three hundred seats. Whatever he he doesn't he hates when people come up and ask for pictures like an e Says No? He's like no. I'd rather have a conversation and I. I'm really the same way I fucking would never say no because like I'm fucking Paul McCartney but I like the interaction far better than like a picture picture. But it's fucking what's up Man Hari. Sorry I'm Paul what's your name you know if but when you're at these things in your at the United Center and there's thirty people waiting to meet Biz Nasty. What do you do Utah October? Yeah Buddy fucking ask anyone anyone who's ever met me in public who comes up and it's just kind of organic. Oh No it. You don't own it. You're misunderstanding me. I know that you actually you. You talked to anyone in everyone and ask questions about why. But I'm saying if there's thirty you're saying you'd rather there go through a conversation you'd rather sit there and then meet and talk to every person. All three hours. Overtake thirty pictures. No I mean if you're on the run and you WanNa you gotta go back to somewhere or no I mean you gotta say guys like I fucking wish I could fuck and talk to all ya I mean I'm just saying I thought it was cool. That like Paul McCartney rather converse with with I mean fuck do like he's giving you what do you want do you. Would you rather that picture. Would you rather that that minute and a half two minutes. Where like dude? Paul McCartney was nice talking to you about my job. Do I chrome hours a nurse and I was. We were talking about nursing like fuck the pitch so I think people probably when you say it. That way would agreed greed. Rather the little discussion with this legend this person that a lot of people idolize but people do everything to show others and they just WanNa be able to show them look. Look look at my picture with home. I guess the ultimate what I was saying when you said Paul McCartney I really respected the fact and it sucks because a lot of people are going to be like. Oh he was an asshole. He wouldn't take picture. It's like man he was just wanted to talk to you. I said Hello. That's a good point because I got a self Chris Rock last year. One of my favorite Mount Rushmore Comedians. So you know I put online whatever. It was pretty cool but like twenty years ago I was in Vegas and I actually was going to see Rodney Dangerfield. I met him in the lobby before of us before the show like hours before the show and I actually got the PTOLEMIES alleged fucking guy looked up. Twenty looked me straight in the eyes and shook managed to go through so much it was like I remember that way. More than the FUCK I. Wrong Sherin's four key moment with them. Exactly incredible I actually read bill. Russell wouldn't give people autographs Biz but he's like L.. Shake your hand or I might be getting that completely wrong but it was something where there's many times famous people really. Famous people will just have something their heart they take a hard stance stance on. I'm not doing it so I guess if you're doing it as much as we can understand where they're coming from absolutely can get overwhelming. Skip back to the sheet. He'll hit a talk. A A little hockey in the global series over in Europe kicked off Friday Athem Buffalo and Tampa Bay a nice little Friday afternoon game from Stockholm for guys hanging out my out of work little early taking a long launch Tampa Bay one three two. You're welcome corner but there was an ugly. Yup you've got it there was an ugly hit that the Keita Kucherov. When a little low on some people thought it was an old fashioned hip check? Didn't feel the same way. What would your take on that one? Just so unnecessary in my opinion and that Kucherov. He's I got a little mean streak anymore. Mother fucker out there. Oh yeah so I just look at the head. And it's funny prostate brandon. Press said. This is nothing thing which I I sense looking more at the hit. It's not like he doesn't go directly at his knees. I mean it's just an unnecessary hit I think. And it's like a a dirty bag move in the sense that this guy's already shot the puck. Nothing matters anymore and you could push in the upper body if you really WanNa make contact with just go down like that is just dirty. I think so. It looked like Sevaka was pretty injured. I don't know if it's a Charley Horse Which I think would be best case scenario and then you know busted costed knee or something is worst case but for me? Just you don't need that hit. It makes no difference in the play or the game and I thought it was bullshit. Yeah Yeah I'd have to agree with you and I'm I'm I'm looking back to last year's playoff and that and that play against the defenseman from Columbus I think it was is mark mark. Aside Kameda Vara Defenseman Navarre. Yeah I think it was him. Yeah I was him and he ended up getting suspended for Game Three Cup finals last year. Well not the finals. Excuse the Stanley Cup playoffs I route and so now we see another thing and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt where I I will not label him as a dirty player right now. But I've seen two things in recent memory where this guy. When when he's a little fired up his wires kind of cross a little bit he gets gets a little nasty okay and listen? You're playing a lot sometimes. The oxygen isn't all the way up top. Because you've been out there for a minute and you know you're you're a little frustrated straighted something and and fucking then you do something stupid okay. Well he's done it a couple of times now whereas frustration has really shown and it's been other guys kind of feeling the the brunt of it so just moving forward here like I don't know can you remember another guy as skilled as as Nikita Kucherov. WHO's one of the league leaders having being that big of a mean streak like who's been like the other guy who like who's been who's a top ten score every year even top five score every year? Who's WHO's fucking marshawn now? Yeah I guess in case so Marshall sure becoming that creative a score. By the way I saw a quick I'll get into it after but another player top ten. It's always been mean a shit like Click Hood even even saying Marcia I would say if Kucherov has like one one one or two more of these incidences in the next two years. Are you going to start putting them in that category. Maybe not the level of Marcia you've gotta eventually say well fuck I I mean there's a pattern here you all of a sudden you say all right this guy's dirty and people who came out and said he's kind of getting out of the way he was not getting out of the way of suboxone you you can. You could have easily gotten out of the way and had zero contact that was. I'm going to do something later than I probably should. And I'm just going to get them low for no reason and even for those those morons who who they won't even agree with you on the facts. Okay sure you know what I'll lay. I'll chalk this up as a as A. Let's let's call it a wash but on the next one eight fucking doing it for you because we saw the playoff one. We've seen this one and that's within the last nine months. Okay so if I see another one this season we're at the beginning of next. Okay all right when you to start not giving it better for the doubt now once again. I'm going to throw him in that category. That should he situation he had a brain fart and other guy got hurt because of it. Let's fuck and maybe gets a game I don't know let's move on now. He's he's out there right now. Yeah it's not off nothing from the GOP S and yeah it is rare to see MBP candidates pull that kind of stuff. There was no penalty on the play as well in Atlanta so Boca was not in the lineup. Today is not wind up on Saturday additive. Show he's obviously a little bit dinged up so yeah just a tough situation you hate to see for a good I would say I'm I'm a little bit more lenient than others on the Department of Player Safety I. I think that's a that's a game and I'm not trying to be a fucking asshole or hero or be like it was a it was a bit dirty it was low it was like an H.. Gets two games four. It's like I'm going to start even bringing up the thing because no I'm not going to be one of those people. It's a very difficult job because you're trying to keep everybody the happy and and you know there's eventually decision has to be made. But if Lucas getting to their I don't know I I know you're saying man. It could recognize the ruins. The whole thing with the other guy took a punch. The face US expect them but They also gave an update on the twenty twenty year. Old Game side next season Boston Nashville going to open the a season in Prague. They're also GONNA play exhibitions in other countries. I the Bruins are going to be in Germany. National is going to go to. Switzerland are GONNA play Roman Llosa's old team burn so that'd be pretty cool for him and Columbus in the blue jackets are going to open the season. With two games in Helsinki saw and there's a couple of connections on each team shall. I don't think I read the article. Any of the articles. Does what about headman and how. He was at the point of his during the anthem yesterday because a Friday was such an emotional moment for him to be. NHL Game in his home town and stop. So it's it's a pretty cool calm if he didn't get a chance to read it. What's up as some people might be a little hard on these types of promotional games but the best part about it and this is kind of have I hope this this situation resonates in? Is that the word I'm looking for resonates and people get to kind of here looking for resonates resonates thank thank you all right. You'd find but but that meant a lot to a guy who's done a lot for the league right so headman men get to go home and get that experience which is something that essentially the league is is giving back to his people and him at the because he's on the world's biggest stage and and they don't they don't get to experience that they want you to travel over here. It ain't the same so just to see that type of stuff and hear that like pasta or not gets go to Prague next cheer posture nocco matching their night games. fucking rights man. They get to watch pasta. Do his thing in check in when those guys have success when they go over there. It's like fucking I certainly in emotional and shit. Yeah he said he went to. The bruins played the coyotes back at the beginning of the season. The bruins on the COP Pasta said he went to that game as a little kid. So well this is a big them. Yeah Yeah Yeah. When we were there we played against them crazy and they they had no they had? Who did they have? At the time they had Chara. They had a few other big check names in sort of we. We had like hands over. Badeah I don't know of Roosevelt. H US there. We we had A. We had a group of guys in our team. We call it the check Mafia McCullough. Zibanejad mccollum McCall. We had a check mafia on our team team and it was Kinda cool. There's a Mafia meet my boy which was cool because they all got to hang out and still be themselves and not have to like you know. There's no language which barrier where like everyone on the team. They're all nice guy so everybody was cool that so they had their own little clique where they were all hard being the only check on a team. If you don't have anyone to talk to. I think it's funny though if you if you do hear the complaints about outdoor games and about The say the European Games because when it's such a long season anything that differs a little live from the monotonous regular season. Travel Day off Game Day off game. I think guys really appreciate it so players joy this stuff and like you said earlier about you guys get to come home. It's just like my dream. It's all I thought about every single day as a young kid ten years old all I thought about was playing in the NHL H. O.. Wake up think about all day go to sleep. It was just. It was my life and I was able to go to see it happen and as you said it best these kids never could. Victor Hedman dreamed aimed of the NHL. But it was. It must have seen so far away because you could never even go look at. It could never even witnessed it with your own eyes. So I think it's so cool for little kids and younger kids and they showed Guys with Darlene Jerseys Headman Jerseys even some kids with Stamkos non-swedish jerseys and it's it's just little kids that are playing the game and dreaming the same dream that that Biz and myself had and to get into finally witness it firsthand. So I'd love and and I'm GonNa go as far as saying this. The overall point was like going coming home is is is massive and my my biggest game I'd say in my career was when my mom had been sick right for a period of time. She was sick for like three or four years and she had never seen any play a game in the NHL but we are going to buffalo and. She's finally better so she was going to come to a game so it was gonna be her first game ever watched me play because it was near home and she could do it. My grandparents had never seen me play alive. NHL Game they got to go because it was so close. My GRANDPA was like he wasn't doing good. Good Man I had a local guy from well and who had He owned a couple of Tim Hortons. He had a front row tickets on the glass and the one and he gave them to me to give to my grandparents so they can have better seats. I have must have had three four hundred friends in the crowd because it was in Buffalo. They could go their forty minutes away. Dude I end up fucking the scoring scoring the game winner and I got I got to give a fuck. I'm giving crime here. I got to give awesome. I got to get my GRANDPA knuckles. No Way Dude. That's sick. See that's the stuff that like people don't really appreciate all time when you watch the NHL is how meaningful full. And how much do these kids lives have been put ahead and put towards their dream. And that's why this was all brought up because these European kids their families get to do that and like Bizet's disproving the players get really show how much those family members meant to them because they finally get to see him do it in person. But he's gone now but I got to give him walk. Goes on the glass because I got to go home if I if I hadn't. That's what it meant to me. We're going there of course are on the schedule but for these guys it's moments like that and fuck dude. I'm I'm a plug. And I got to experience that Victor Hedman and guys like that have done a lot for the league and a law for their countries and growing the game so now they get to experience that so sometimes like when people are hard online and they're not really giving like like the full thought-through of maybe it's not just about fucking like the NHL making money. Your whatever you think. The reason is it's fucking there's a lot of thought that goes on that ship it's a beautiful story Biz. Sorry in here. I'm on the third floor apartment. Bill that's why not wrong office on an airplane. Not Being Human Buddy. Hey and if you're going to be heading over to Europe next season the check out the early NHL NHL Action and you WANNA fly logos. You definitely want to go at men's league sweaters. It's great stuff especially all you barely gallstones your team might need New Jersey's ut needs men's league league sweaters did make the best customer jerseys in hockey us for knuckleheads can attest what they hooked us. Up I still sleep with mine. Anything anything with gambling related. I'll probably sleep in. But it's high quality stuff the lows unreal. You tell them what you want. Boom they do it. Fire the custom. Uniforms have never been easier. Order online delivered for free. You submit your own. Hi Dave accustomed style and a pro design. Does it fly. 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He listens to the Tim Stapleton interview on Checkups and he said quote if you are a man than say that things when you are in Russia not across the pond these people are just hyping it and trying to make these well respected people in coaches look bad we we the next generation of coaches let that happen in. Next time we see them we will punch the noses of both. The podcast is in the cage playing friends of sorry. Do the Russian accent and Russian accent was Spanish French Russian respected it. Let me tell you so it was Nazarov. Yeah I get some more Andre Andre Andre Never GonNa see me again buddy and you never gonna see Stapleton again and you never gonna see any of us. None of us will ever be back so. Don't worry about it talk. All you smack be over there in Russia eating. You're eating your soup. Don't worry about it you'll never see my face again. Minority was told. I told you guys I had and tell them you can't go back. Did they talk about what specific part. They had a problem with the parts. That are the truth. Yeah I that's what I'm saying. Anything specific where he's like. The story is not true. I know he didn't try to say anything wasn't true. I think he got pissed off. That states was telling stories about that creek and off guy. And he's a legend legend over there so he probably I think he just felt disrespected for that guy for the cage l. for okay but also there was another tweet back in July from my Slava Malibu over His name too bad. He covers a lot of Russia's stuff. Here it's pretty interesting and he said back in July K. H. L. Calls for jailing former players who criticise Russia after Tj Gag. Liatti what you want to check. Let's to drop truth bombs about life. KNICKKNACK homestand obvious coach. Having having at the name of the city I might not might thing comes through Russia. We'll arrest them and this also guide those clips of him online of throwing a water bottle and opposing doesn't play off the beaten. His guy up in other ways flipping off fans and rest like an Italian. None of Boffon going everybody and then he'd beat up a fucking team. Doctor reportedly fucking beat up steam. Doc Yeah Yeah because the team doctor said look at the. MRI didn't agree with what Nazarov thought the MRI said. Hey listen you're a lot harder on Russia than US I I. Oh I don't think I've ever said it's a dump I don't know maybe I have. Maybe I just don't have the right. Never said it's a dump I said. Mexico was a dump I actually never said. Russia was stumped. I don't think thank okay. Well I've told stories where. Yeah maybe I come off as like very hard on them. I mean it's all true stories. That are very different from how I live and most of us live in so it is very worthwhile to discuss. It's very extreme. And they're not aware that it's extreme but like it's like you can't reason with them so that's why it's like faulk now because we're just telling funny stories stories of Shit that happens over there. That's normal I can't ever go to Russia again. I might have went. I might have wanted to go to Moscow and see what it was like in that now. I can't experience spirits that ever in my life so thanks a lot guys especially if they in Moscow. I heard credible I fucking chicks are tens in like like. I've heard I mean. Listen we're not going to need name Sir. But I've heard guys like the Biz. I slept with two tens for eight hundred dollars. They like clean my apartment. It's what I don't I don't know like your entire body not with. Yeah they'll do whatever to you. They'll be thrown darts down your whatever. It may be now. Listen I don't pay for play. I don't de like it's very intriguing to hear that maybe I will get to the level of where I'm so pathetic and old but yet I'm still chasing Pussy Pussy. Were I dislike my outside Moscow in like make it real easy they will have. You can never go so we're going to get a little verse. Nasr at the next round rowdy. Oh what no I don't want the smog. I just want want to tell these funny Steiner's hake are people laugh. Nobody's lying here. We're just that. Sometimes the truth hurts. People don't like to hear things that that fucking bother Iraq but nobody on and is there not auden unsettling feeling that like an entire country hates you and fuck dude there might be a red dot on your forehead at one point because of a fucking podcast and telling funny hockey stories. I know but I've always I've said since this all kind of began and where I think somebody said You'd think you get murdered by a Russian Kevin. Can you imagine the guard. I would be to the chickens fan base if I ever got down by a Russian there'd be statues built in Chiklis fans yards. I'd be honored forever. It'd be the guy who got people to tell funny stories about murder over it I I. I'm right with you. I this this consumes Calife this podcast. I would die for this podcast and I I fucking rates. I'm drawing a line of sand right now. I would die for this podcast. ODD CAST with greater fit right in. I never thought I WANNA be a model for anything before but if I get killed because we're talking truth the podcast about Russia. I don't WanNa go down because go that way. But if if I have a son. I don't WanNA get gunned down. But like in the. And if I were to be gunned down CEOS gunned down because I was yelling at somebody because we were in an enormous argument driving on the highway and it was a road rage murder that would be pretty foolish Bush. Sports done down because a chick. Let's I mean this would be added here. Here's here's what's even crazier. Here's what's even crazier about this episode is as we're now talking about getting gunned down at the start of the episode. Ra Comparative to the Beatles. And you're the guy who was the one who eventually got gunned down. I have entered a different here. Let's not forget. They found George Harrison Hotel in Vegas can had a couple of too many snags. All my God awed. We're the fucking Beatles. PODCASTS and I probably sound very arrogant was obviously we can have some fun here before we go anywhere else I caught some heat like Tea Moose story about me with Edmonton. That's like the worst sounding story. Actually being older I like cringe that I said that. But you got to imagine it wasn't necessarily a sh- as much as Everton. As it was. At the time I was living at in Newport Newport beach I was eating Sushi hot girls belly buttons I was like it was different. Time right I I was in the frozen Hundr- on the way to the airport like the play here. Not Oh my God is the worst place the world more. I'm I'm on the beach in Anaheim so I know that sounded brutal and look brutal but Edmonton I seriously. It is a great place to play. I know you. It didn't like me but I didn't mind it at all. I respect you for saying that because like sometimes you just like your humor's shitting on things and like you just like being negative and like probably in the Mona. You're probably just like you know you're probably gonNA grumpy. Moon set it and it made you sow. Maybe it's made you sound a little bit ungrateful to even be playing in the NHL. What I hated about it rush sounded for your apologizing for we're not going to I? I respect that thank you. I think people know when I'm always set their apology messing around. Now I'm just kidding around I love Edmonton so I'll accept your apology. Yeah get you go your cell phone stolen and then the fans you find a back analyze. It's very easy. Kills like layups a guys. Let's talk real quick about Roman. Hey you know we're not always young studs everytime are fooling around and and the older you get the last long WanNa last sometimes thinking about all those goals Ray book short of Wayne Gretzky SCO once fucking trophies. Back in the seventy s doesn't thought can't help helping your body takes over. That's why you WANNA get Roman swipes they act clinically proven to last wait longer in bed. 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In seventy two games with any twice suffered for the 20-seattle he just shit. Really Kinda couldn't get back on track with with the Blues and I I was listening to Lebron drag and they had said that at the beginning of the fabry's agents agents went to Doug Armstrong and said look. If there's not a role for this team maybe we can change the scene reform. And I'm strong told his agents. Okay let's see how the first few weeks shakeout and if there's not a role I'll take care of. That's what Armstrong Daddy sent them out to. Detroit and hate. Steve E. Y. Kudos to him Detroit what was it. Jalen rose picked him up off waivers last year so basically is mature. Took a guy that got for nothing and turn them into a former number one pick his first came with the Detroit Red Wings. Friday night gets to snipes on the power play. This kid's got a fucking rocket out there. You guys on well. How does you go first to two parts? I like to discuss Fabri being the last one but the first part is when everybody was getting very critical of Doug Doug Armstrong in Saint Louis when they were going to that paths where they couldn't get over the hump in the grass fired. And Like I. I was this guy is like the biggest salt also the earth guy in the NHL. He's a very talented jam. He knows what the fuck he's doing and just to see him do do another. They're move like this. Where like he could he could be an asshole and be like no? He's my asset. I'll do what I want. And when when they finally approached him because maybe Aubrey didn't you couldn't find himself comfortable role in that team anymore. It just like you just couldn't recover. He needed a new scenery and it for doug arm talk to really accommodate him knowing that like I saw online like people were like what this doesn't make sense. Why Fuck Saint Louis doing that well? Doug Armstrong Goddess Cup. And you know he's probably given one back to a guy who he thinks. If gets a new new scene can probably excel in eventually move von and be successful whereas like sometimes it's like idee maybe could have gone a little bit more on return or a decent amount back more in return but like that's just a solid bro. Move and I just like when guys like people like that have success and I think he's just like he's a fucking keeper key is is a keeper Fabri. He did look great plain that little soft area in the power play and found two awesome passes the first one Mantha gave some six six sauce through the entire like penalty coming box and then virtues he found him. But we've talked a bunch about Fabri because busine. I have mentioned a million times. How we were? There is rookie year. Harry looked incredible. We went out to dinner with him the one time I actually remember looking at him he was laughing as you and I were like telling a story and I his face was just like these guys so fucked but I right away. I liked him. I thought he was just a good game and we saw the skill so he's the one acl tear and then so many guys come back if you know not not just as strong but even stronger sometimes I mean it's not the biggest deal of deteriorate show anymore what would happen. Everyone knows he did. The same knee again are so now. You're looking at a guy who probably won't be the exact same player you won't. Maybe maybe he's a little bit not a not as quick by by the tiniest tiniest amount but enough to change him and Mace basically force him to change his game a little bit so that's now in the second third year of of happening and I think going to Detroit where it is is a fresh start where he's GonNa play more off more of an offensive role because of you know the lack of depth the red wings have great form and that's sometimes a lot of times what people need so not not only is he starting with a new team in a new role was really getting used to his new body and that sounds goofy but Shaimaa twice it is. You're never the same. so He's learning to changes game the way we've talked about a bunch of guys have I love the move for Detroit. And you're right our didn't even think about I I. It didn't even register that they got the rose on waivers. So He's turned. It's got something from nothing there. Yeah absolutely not to take anything away from that della rose cared because he might end up thriving what makes sense is. He's he plays more of the role that Saint Louis maybe needs bottom six. That's where they had fabri well. He's not necessarily that tape tape player. It's a it's a switch that makes sense so we're going to get a guy that actually plays the role that we have filed Rian anyways when we think he could play at a at a higher level just not on our team. Hey this could this could never this could turn out but going back to Fabbri. And he he wasn't going to get the reps in the top lines kinds of Saint Louis that he'll get in Detroit having the team that they have. Where is our minutes a no brainer? Because he's GonNa say Plam if and let 'em maybe fail a little bit because we're not in a pressure to win right now situation and let's see if this guy could eventually figure it back out where he was at that point when he got the cap at Saint Louis us because we both know dude. This kid was going to be A. I mean maybe I can say he was gonna be like Barzel but I was GonNa say I'm not going to. It's GonNa be like bars al.. I was GONNA say a poor man's Barzel that's fucking crazy. I would say he would have been a sixty point guy just a little water bug out there. Finding the gaps like navy between like a bar Zelin a barrel where like Ribeiro was like a little ultra slow but he just was like so slippery but anyway going back to foggy areas is nice nice to see get that good start so now. He's comfortable there. He has that connection with her Tuesay. So now he's like right in a situation where maybe he feels like that core group of guys where. There's so many big boys in Saint Louis like he might get lost in the shuffle. Right some guys need to feel like being like a bit of a man. You don't want to feel they get they're going to get those reps you know so I think it's a fucking solid move for Detroit and I hope Fabrice fines game back to where he was and because the legal legal be better off for it absolutely. I mean the only risk is taken as that nine hundred K's paying them this year. He's still only twenty three. He turns twenty four during the season. He's got an unreal shot as we saw Friday night so if he fucking eight nine Popley Detroit he can get a nice little deal after this season to is he's RFA so you know it's going to work. Because I made the move for Christ this this guy to fuck and miss funny. He's he's actually has three guys three members of the. What is it fourteen draft on the team? WHO has taken fifteen? He just picked up purlee last month he he was taken twelve. And now. So it's pretty interesting. If they turn her lenient new player and a consistent one yet my Cap Tana Skill Ra just can't all the tools maybe not the toolbox. Well you know the good plug plug little holes. I'm sure he's going to have some big moves later. But I don't know if you guys caught this. And the and the bees wins game my Shannon Bertucci had a little dot the hooked him. mccracken fucking stick beef. Those a scrum around the neck of the net the net in Dob Escaped by Berge was kind of tying him up in. My son saw my son put the blade of his stick. Rightness face like I don't know if he'd caught him. What it in Bertucci's the setback and he could see him get back Tuesday? Komo fucking Dilantin. Swing with his stick. He didn't hit anybody but if he ever did man it would have been fucking ugly. It's a replay on. I'll have GRANOLA tweeted it out. It was just like you gotta look real quick but it was almost a fucking real as we see net but fortunately no one fucking penalized for it so speaking of guys get hit a couple of injuries easily. A little injury round up some big names that a dinged up visual Boy Nikita Zadora his out indefinitely for the avs. He Opoku off the face against national in Denver Thursday as they night. Nah that's a tough. Look man getting hit bleeding all over the place. Oh No word on when he's going to be back in the same game. Nate Dogg also left the game early with a UB. I But he's expected back back in the lineup Saturday night thankfully ABS- fans because two-thirds of outline's already gone babacar also took a PK. Slap some off the body Friday night. No word on an injury as of yet Alex Stein out. Four plus with an ankle sprain. Mock stall will be reevaluated in three evaluated in two weeks after surgery for an infection in his ankle. What's going on Biz? We'll just going back to the door of. I don't want to get twisted. I love him as a player. I was just being a little bit critical about him. Picking a spots in a certain the situation so hopefully he gets well soon because that's a big piece for that Colorado team saw on. I decided to set the record straight yet. We don't WanNa let's see anybody heard. Hey Grennell you got those. Dave Tippett quotes teed up right about back to backs fight via those officers. Let's let's listen to those in your time in the NHL. And I'm going to go back back to even when when you played how different three are back to back road games. I it seems to me it sometimes seems our better on the second half of I know how different they are so you played a back to back road game. You go out and you'd have to find something to eat beat after and you try to go back to your hotel and get to sleep and get ready for the six thirty busts. It comes in the morning to pick you up to take you to the airport. The hotel shuttle shuttle van would take you to the airport and get on a commercial flight. And you get there half the skate or go to the rink your gear would still be all wet and you and try to go out and find yourself pregame meal because we're wasn't pre game meal's then and so then try to go back to your room. You ever see slapshot where Paul Newman goes goes back and lays into this thing and puts a towel head. That's about what would it was. And then you show up the next day in play and you're tired now guys. Something deed milkshake Jake or pizza. Right after they get off the ice they get a nice luxury coach. Bus A charter plane to get in here. That they got food on the plane they get in their nice this brand new bed at a brand new hotel and they have a nice sleep in in the morning. Big pregame meal nice rest in the afternoon they show up there got full energy at night so so it's different. It's a lot better now. Pretty funny stuff mandate tip at talking about back to backs in his dave versus today. I think the subtext of comments was shut. The fuck up man. These guys tablet made like it's not that big of a deal going back to back with. What was your take on this? Pretty funny quote I I liked playing back to back so I never minded it. I think that his quote was perfect. Just because the Tony has his voice is just like he's like as the perfect for delivery or what he's talking about but it makes total sense to me I mean it was a grind pry when he was doing it nowadays. It is I I mean when you when you get in real late and you have to play the next night. That's that's kind of a battle but you sleep and no pre game skate. By the time the the game comes I mean adrenaline does enough so oh I sometimes never never really thought about back to backs being like a huge issue just because a lot of times if you play well. It's actually a win win. If you play well you get to play again the next night and if you played bad you get a chance to just make it make it up and play again the next night so either way you're you're excited to get back on the ice and I don't think it's that big of a deal tip tips at a perfect. I think it's fair for him to say because he did play in that old. Nhl I do agree with him in the sense that like people are making taking more of a bigger bigger of a deal about it. Hey it's how it works out. The buildings are busy the scheduling. It's just how they can fit in games now. Hey if they could find a way to not have to play as many back the backs Shir but fuck let's chill out here. They've like the NHL is adapted so much where where they're they're if they're skating too much they'll back off and like most teams. Don't even do pre-game skates now. Like I think New Jersey adapted the policy where okay so. They're spending one less time on the ice now so they're backing off the ice time I mean it's basically saying hey like the highest. Maybe you've got a defense you the place twenty five thirty minutes but that's not as hard as playing twenty. Maybe a Centerman Norman. Mattis your Centerman play back to back twenty game nights. That's heavy yeah. Well he's probably having the day off the next day so yeah let's back off the crazy amount a a talk about like. Oh my God a back to back like these guys are in the trenches does get a little overblown and as a gamble. I really don't put too much stock in it. I go on who played the the night before what gully was in how they played. I don't really like put too much. And if they play the night before Mike Solvent had some interesting quotes about into district as you used to always do. It doesn't mean you have to still we'll do it and let's not forget here so a lot of these high end skill guys in the NHL didn't spend any time in the minors so they don't even know what a three and three with bus trips says. I played a Foreign Foreign Wilkspur once and we traveled and we traveled that we had. I've told this on this podcast for we had the the urine wilkes the locker. We ended the season foreign five. Four and five four and five four and five so that's Wednesday Friday Saturday so those are the last four weeks of the regular season and the last one so that's sixteen games. Math guy the sixteenth game on Sunday afternoon was in Philadelphia against the Philadelphia. We played the night before in Wilkes pair. It's like I don't know what what was it. Two and a half hours from Wilkspur two and a half so the game the next day at five so we play this. We played our fifteenth game. However many days wake up get to the arena? Were driving affiliate we get. We go warm after one was for sitting there waiting for the game to start. Ross lupus chuck offense defense mechanics. Show do look over. He's asleep fucking fell asleep. I'm almost I'd love to have loopy on here. Maybe I'm remembering this not correctly it but I'm pretty sure we had like a huge laugh. After like everyone was that tired loopy fell asleep. It was just these these those Asia foreign fives. Those were blocked. Maybe that's why care about back the backs in Chicago and Columbus. That is bad as fucking. That's that's being tired. The whole team was gassed. I think David coach was handing out pills with like no label on the bottle from the Czech Republic. Oh Oh my God this. It's all coaches. The best breath would reek like salmon. Because that's all he ate. He ate salmon like a machine machine. He was a salmon salmon like a bear. I just mentioned gambling a minute ago and I cannot believe we haven't mentioned our guest yet speaking again. Back in Ed's Oh Eddie. Olczyk joined us when we road Chicago. Couple of weeks ago outstanding interview he this guy had an unreal career and I think we spent ten minutes on it because there's so many other interesting aspects of his life that we talked about. We're GONNA bring home. Tom Bring him on in a little bit of. We'd just usually try to mention earlier in the show but unreal stuff coming in a little bit now now go back to the schedule and stuff haven't settled at ESPN ESPN that a huge huge article. One of the biggest problems in the NBA. And it's about plays not getting proper rest and then the athletic ended up doing a similar story on the Gel that it's a constant battle for guys to get rest and that Kinda ties into the next subject the so called Jonathan Tapes scheduled. There was another big article in the athletic. He kind of proposed a new schedule in hockey and they do acknowledge. It's probably not going to happen. Essentially what they're GONNA do is make baseball teams. Go to a city and stay there for a few days in play a series then go to another city plays series and it cuts down immensely on the travel Again it's might not happen but who knows what the future holds Biz. What are your thoughts on the old so-called tapes schedule so we kind of touched on it on the tip of comment comment? But Hey if if if it's going to be a better quality product on the ice because there is less travel maybe rivalries will be set. It's a little bit more because when you put what you know better than anyone especially going back to the American league talk when you play a team back to back nights at in their barn if there's like a there's like a head in a third period at the end of the game or whatever from first game all you know there's going to be emotions are going to be high for game two. There's there's a there's going to be more spunk. In the game. which once again equals a better product on the ice for fans? I don't know if they're going to like seeing the same team on Thursday and then a Saturday Saturday or or a back to back night in that one city now I guess that's fan experience. They may take that into consideration. Batter travel situations where saving money right because because it would the I mean you're you're flying less and you're maybe staying in hotels last so oh that's GonNa save the teams money and I mean there's there's a lot of positives towards the negatives the negative negative being building scheduling. Maybe that's why they're doing it the way they're doing so I mean hey if it's not gonNA fuck anything up and there's a lot more positives outweigh the negatives. I don't see a reason why they consider that. I know that leads. Don't WanNa keep changing all these rules all time because it just gets a big. That would be a big decision because it's not very traditional. Oh yeah they. They mentioned the article that the actually did this without taking consideration. NBA Concerts. And that's probably why I could never happen. The Hi dear of of the idea of it is it is cool but I do think that if it was just back to back and you know you're you're on the dachshund you go into Winnipeg in your plan Friday Saturday night. The schedule that I saw in the article some of them were three and four game sets baseball style. I think fans who get got a little tired of that. I think fans probably enjoyed the fact of crosby's coming in in November and March to our arena as opposed to right in a row but the main point point of it was the tapes. I guess is not a huge advocate. But it's talked before about like what is it keeping the green yeah. He's a big environmentally. Remember I couldn't spit that one environmentalist. So this would really off the all carbon footprint that the NHL can sometimes a hammer down on on our atmosphere with the private jets everywhere so it makes sense anything less flying in anything where it's less travel is a good thing but when it all said and done and there's so many different fact there's it's going to be really tough to ever change what it is now well based on the scheduling for NBA. It would be a situation where both both leagues would maybe have to get together and agreeing to do it together. Yeah but there's just like so many. NBA cities that don't have NHL team. So I don't know I I. I think we can all agree that it's probably I'm not going to happen. I'm just saying if there's a lot lot more positives outweigh the negatives. It may be something to consider the one thing I do before. Moving on is that every team plays as in every arena. Because it used to not be that way you used to sometimes play a team just once a year as opposed to twice a year so every fantasy every player in the league that will always be there to stay yes. I agree with that too. Yeah the article more or less acknowledged. It's very unlikely to happen. But maybe they can incorporate some of the ideas perhaps a little more home and homes Assam anything to reduce the travel. And I think Maggie could chuck my kill the atmosphere keep taking if he keeps taking private jets to assist this field hockey games two hours away but that's another matter boys. I didn't say I'd be. I'd be on a private jet every third day if I could afford it stumbling on all right boys I think we should send Ed's Oh man I just said this is unreal interview you. He has a presence about him. He comes in the room. He's a cool cat. He takes over the room. I it was a great time. Talk home so without further ado. We're GONNA send it over to Ed's Oh Eddie Olczyk this. 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You know if I'm doing the INTRO. This is a guy that we've wanted for quite some time. I'm going to go through a little resume action before I tell you who it is. Third overall pick in the eighty four draught. When none other than Mario Lemieux you went first overall? Thanks for coming. Eddo ended up playing with him and coach. Thank you sixteen. NHL Season's over thousand games seven hundred ninety four points. Thanks for coming coming in a span of two hundred and thirty nine games from eighty seven to ninety on thrown at one hundred twelve goals house up as one Stanley Cup with the New York Rangers. Sidney crosby's first. Nhl Coach and the one that really cracked me up. Just Put into the national talion American Sports Hall of fame. Whoa how Zoro adult chuck? Thanks exer joining spitting chicken. Wow and my first farce NHL coaches. Well how Lucky Am I. I feel like you very you. Guys are living way larger ever than when we were together. Pittsburgh I'll tell you the business like down in wheeling when we were together and it's all in the Doghouse in that organization. That was good times. Well thanks for having me boys. Oh thanks for coming tip of the hockey helmet. You guys are knocking it out of the park. So you guys have me and I appreciate so you can see. I mean he didn't have any race or anything that brought up it though but I do WanNa bring up the book already. You know what's going on with the book that was Eddie. olczyk beating the odds in hockey life. Just come out correct. Yeah how how. How did that process work right? In first off there are Koreans for you. Yeah style You know something that I had the opportunity over the years to think about doing a book and I was like Nah you know what once read about my life story and then you know we all got stories we all can you know can talk with the best of them. Put Pen to paper. And that's what I I did and then I kind of put it off a few years and then the guy I co wrote it with Perry love go a guy up in Toronto who I knew up my days with the maple leafs back in the late. Eighties is a horse racing in Guyana hockey guy and you know he kinda approached me a couple of years ago and I was. We started talking. We kind of did a chapter two and I kinda got into it then and I got cold feet thirty convention. You a little bit. He did he wore you down. Did he broke me down. But then I stood up and said you know I don't have the time or whatever and then you know unfortunately unfortunately got sick and then some I no pun intended. I think when I got diagnosed I was going through my cancer battle. I think that was kind of the final chapter chapter that. Put Me over the Hump to write the book because I thought well maybe maybe I can tie in with all the things. I've overcome as a kid growing up in Chicago and Megan to the show when playing the Olympics when I was seventeen for team. USA and he knows he's everything we all have a story. We all of overcome adversity. So I think that was deciding factor on when to do the book and and Gotten a lot of positive feedback and look the thing I hope is that I can't spire. We can inspire one person either to stay away from the disease of cancer sir. Any battle helped him get through it. Because it it it tests your will to live when you are diagnosed with the disease and we're all touched by it And maybe just bring a little a bit of hope to somebody so that for me is is the goal With the book. Now I think you. I think you'll laugh. I think cry And I think you'll love a little bit more her and If I can reach out to people in some fashion than it was well worth the sixteen months a pen to paper in input in the book out and you had stage three colon case required in cancer August the fourth it's seven seven PM 2017. I got the call on Friday night and you know you guys don't WanNa Doctors Con- you on Friday seven o'clock and I I I wish Anytime that phone rings now late at night I always get that feeling you look up on ATV and it says northwestern hospital. Gosh it you know but it was just one of those things were one day. I woke up and I couldn't go to the bathroom and I was constipated and I kind of I. Whatever I went to the walgreens whatever took some prune juice yet amuse? We'll try to break it up. Nothing happened so for two days. It can go the bathroom that I started wearing a little check. This so it's it and look if you don't go on way it's you're going to go another way and thank God. My friend was over my house. My best friend Dominic rushing to the hospital and he told me at a blockage in my colon and next thing you know I had fourteen inches of my colon removed and a tumor the size of my fist and a six hour surgery and then I waited for the for that call does how many days later sorry. Those wasn't it means the surge from the time I got time I had. The surgery was five days five. The last thing you mentioned air as love a little bit more and I know you're pretty big family man to begin with five kids correct for four. I'm sorry ah I got I got I got enough. I got enough muggle money going on anymore. Okay ever the chiefs after experiencing something like sadly. How much does your level of empathy regarding any subject to skyrocket? Yeah you softie you know what you know what this I people have asked me that you know do you. Do you look at things differently. After being sick right I mean I think you know maybe when I'm sitting at traffic's traffic's somebody cuts me off on my no big deal right but I honestly like for me. I think I did a lot of reflection I look back on my life and my career and you know I think if anything it it support it it. Kinda Ralph reinforced to me is like a pretty damn could career you know. Like -CCOMPLISH publishes a player and a broadcaster and sneaky. Whatever you know rate so but we'll thanks but I I I think when I was going through it and I was very much at peace and what I mean by that? Is that the most important people. My Life My wife thirty one years. My four kids. You Know My my folks my brothers you know people have really we close. I mean we all have that circle is of always let them know how he felt about him and I don't want to get too deep here but the fact that matters it just like look. I've always said I told my wife. I said look if if something whatever it happened to me it would kill me if you didn't know that to have you not know what what you've meant to me and what our families meant to be in how prior. Am To for us to be together and she'd always say nothing's going to happen. Nothing's GonNa happen right in a minute. Just regular reaction but so when I was going through the toughest battle look I I was. I was broken at times. During my chemo treatments. I mean I wanted to quit. I never quitted anything in my life I mean during my second treatment My side effects were awful like man. I had terrible nose bleeds headache. neuropathy anybody out. There that has had chemo. They know what I'm talking about at a blood clot in my in my right right leg and you know what you lose control of your of your bathroom like you do your bowel movements you just you just you just shit like you just go and and I'm just like I can't do this. I'm in treatment too. I got ten more treatments. How am I gonNA get through treatment to on September fifteenth and I got and I got I got ten more to February twenty first I how am I going to get through it? I said I can't live like this and my wife grabbed me. And she just said you gotta fight you got to fight for me. You gotTA fight for our kids and you gotta fight for all the people that love love you and we had a moment that lasted probably thirty minutes. I cried and I'm like says hard like this. It test your will to live and just getting back to that aspect aspect of always letting the most important people in my life. No high felt about him and feel about him. Is I think going through that. It might lowest times I was like you know what look look if they tell me in six months. We're going to reassess and they said okay so that's it it's done at least it least. I knew that those people in in my life knew how I felt the bottom and I think that helped me get through. So that's what I meant about the love and we've all been touched by it in if I can help one if if I can help one person just get through the day and say hey you know what if that old broken-down hockey player and horse player can get through it. So can't so can I. And that's kind of where. The spirit of the book is shifted to solving happier moment. When you don't like flying How did you meet your wife and my wife on an airplane? My rookie here in Nineteen eighty-four eighty-five with Chicago Blackhawks. We mean right yeah was eighteen. Years Old I was we were playing a game a Sunday afternoon in Chicago is an afternoon game game. We're flying in New York that night. Of course there were no charter. You're flying commercial either like you know every day we hold school exactly yeah. We didn't sit in a smoking section so there was like the second hand. Smoke wasn't blowing through the tin cans. GO GO TO LA RIP a couple. Yeah so so that a day after the gamers a bad accident Kennedy Expressway here. In between downtown and O'hare and half the team didn't make the flight and I'm a rookie. You guys don't look a rookie. Wannabe relate you better. You better be a half hour early for everything right. So I'm like Shit I get so I mean I must I probably endured probably twenty five tickets violations driving to the airport court. I said if I missed his flight. I'm forget the team finding me about the veteran guys. They're gonNa you know only about eleven guys making us flight though and I get on a suite for American and airlines. I walk in there and I just see this. The most incredible woman I've ever seen in my life and her name was Diana. And that's my mom's name my my dad's in Ed or an Eddie Ahmeti. I'm like and then I saw her last name was vickers and I'm like Holy Shit. The street I grew up on for almost half my life was mcvicar. Some like let's it's just get married. Radio done deal so you don't even know it yet. How does this conversation going? I mean I I saw what section she was working big. Ask playing best so I worked for. I must have had I think about eighteen orange juices you guys know. I don't drink orange juice. Thanks yes exactly. I think I was third starting afternoon for the game. But I'll guarantee I was first star on that flight to New York that I know for sure. So here's even better so you know talk and whatever and I said Hey. Would you like to go to the hockey game. She's from Columbus for the next night. So we're playing arrangers. I said okay. I'll get your tickets to the game and I'll meet you at will call at the box office so go ahead. Look at that. At that time. It was my rookie year. I was making seventy five grand. Okay so tickets. Two tickets hunter fifty five bucks Quedo. It's not big deal but still pricey spending money right so trying to impress you let them see od now no no. Last role balcony shorter man for almost almost twenty. It was cash. We roll it cash Schwarzkopf with with a K.. By so we win barberie general manager you know Murph in Anaheim He scores the OT winner. I get undressed. Showered as quick as you can. I mean I you know. I'm getting ready all dolled up. It's porn rain at the garden. I worked my way to the box office. Nobody there I lap Madison Square Garden. Once maybe you know maybe she he was wandering or whatever she did not want. I don't see her I wander again. I don't see her. I'm like aw gave me the nine hearts go. Yeah it must have been a ranger fan. So I'm like okay. Well now what do I do right so I think she kind of just give me nine heart. She blew me the off so I call her collar phone number and Bring Ring Ring Ring and also here. Hello I'm like orgies guy answering the phone. I'm like what's going going on here. I go do you know of Diana went to the hockey game. Nope sorry I think she went on. She got called on a trip. You know because she was flight attendants. Sometimes you get called commander. Whatever so I'm like okay? So I don't know if she ever went on anything so long story short we ended up picking hooking up but I guess the moral of the story is is that the hundred and fifty five dollars that I spent that she didn't go to the game over the thirty four years that we've known each other's probably cost me probably about nine and a half Schmil rally probably since two tickets one hundred eight hundred fifty five bucks. That's nothing you propose the radio like a hundred and fifty. If you'RE NOT GONNA go to the game can I get that hundred and fifty thousand every pair yoga pants. She buys them off. You mentioned that you don't drink much achieve only drank on two occasions which occasions where those Actually the numbers gone up since the last time it's official okay. First Time is seven and a half year old kid when I was sitting on my dad's lap in the suburbs of Chicago. We had a beer in his hand over exactly nowadays you'd be a DSS called yeah right exactly at a tap happen are my dad was in the food business for fifty five years groceries so we had a tap in the house like me at all. It was was there if I wanted to draft beers right exactly exactly and then Second time this was When when we won the Stanley Cup in ninety four with the Rangers Guys were going out in the locker locker room and Pretty much just stopped traffic and said all right ED heels gotta get inner. Take a Swig so I think it was a combination of champion Neon Budweiser. I think it was it was like going. And then the third time time was August the fourth of twenty eighteen the year to the day that I guy that I was diagnosed with stage colon. Cancer my oldest son eighty got married married so I had a glass of champagne at his wedding. So those speech before anything I did a did a partial one I did a partial one At the rehearsal dinner and then and then obviously on the wedding day. Yeah so it's all. Those are three times official three times. I mean this is like three drinks. I mean it was a different culture back. Then shoot the guys look on the road. It was mandatory to show up so were you. oftentimes he's going out and just having a pop. Shane dawn we drink much. Would just come pop exactly you guys. All my career never drank and he'd be the last guy all the time. The people told me a play with them like he was GonNa make sure GonNa hang with the boys. All you drink. That's what you do. I mean that's look it back in the day. I'm and I'm going back to the early eighties because that's when I broke in the league. I mean there was. I think they're still peer pressure and society. There is without a doubt especially now with social media but back then it was. You know I mean you you were. It was intimidating to not be one of the guys go. Hey you know what like yeah this guy or that guy or you know your pressure. Yeah so for me I just I just chose not to do it but I would go out. And I'd have fun and and might might have about twenty five or thirty diet cokes or something but you know that's what your kids said he said you you averaged During your NHL career like thirteen cans of Diet coke a day right and probably wasn't very smart but that was that was one of my That was one of my vices. What's funny as you mentioned? You really had a hell of an NHL career and it's Kinda come to the point now though where you're recognize is I'm guessing Moore as the voice on Nhl on NBC. So there's gotta be times when you're like you remind yourself people casually bring up hockey playing days as opposed to work with DOC emrick. I'm rick traveling and doing the cup finals. Like yeah feels like a long time ago but I could play this game. You know what I do. You ever skate anymore I do some youth hockey camps. I played in the alumni. Game there in Winnipeg Two years ago with against Edmonton Ultra Australia. which was great? Yeah which was awesome threads. Oh yeah those res Sweet Sweater I you know what I I don't I don't have any desire to go and play pick up or anything like that But you know you're right. I mean look. I've been retired now going on twenty years now so I've been retired way longer than I ever played but I did play sixteen sixteen years in the League and I've always been involved in the game but you know whether it was from the video game or you know I'm sometimes I walk in through the airport. You know and you know what it is. You're in a certain town of video. You're right and people go. I know you know you're I go. Do you like sports. Yeah Yeah I like sports. I go you like hockey. I hate hockey no me okay. Well horse everything you ever watch the triple crown horse racing guy. That's the guy you know so yeah so it answered question. Most people know me now is a broadcaster. Not a guy that you know played over one thousand games in the league. So what's interesting though is. I don't know the beginning of a lot of people. Don't like how you got into horse racing. I'm guessing was apart your whole life but not only how you got into it but how did you become like NBC's like hey you're gonNA workforce I'm guessing they saw you hot or you're not you're not just one trick pony the show that's an IRA J.. Hey you're not betting on a three legged pony over there. Oh No. We'll look as a young kid. I went to the track. I actually talk about it in the book. I talk about how I kind of fell in love with horse racing and for me it was just seeing these twelve hundred pawn animals run thirty five miles an hour and just the athleticism and then you know you got these crazy. Humans jump on their back. A hundred and twenty two pounds and in going for a ride and the rockstars ars. When you get around the track right exactly Eric holder? These guys walk around so there you know I. It's always been a part of my life and you know just started on a lot. Money is a kid so you just go to the track. I was a caddy. So you know you make thirty dollars round or whatever and then over the course of time he just go and play and have some fun and I just kind of fell in love with it and you guys know l.. What makes our game goal? The game of hockey goal is the people behind the scenes. Right like the trainers I've always told and I think I said this at one of our meetings that we had when we are together in Pittsburgh was you know the quickest way to really piss me offer or Give me get you on the wrong side of me as is to disrespect. Expect trainer to trainer is a lifeline of a hockey player. And I've always I've I learned. I learned that as a young kid and I learned it when I got to the. NHL In eighty four and always emphasized that to my boys. And anybody that I've ever come across and it's it's not much different horse racing why I think one of the important reasons why the game is is is so good and and why I'm so passionate about is because there's so many things that happen behind the scenes that makes the game in the sport goal so as a kid I would go Handicapping I've owned horses over the years and then probably like two thousand tents I had been a part of NBC's hockey hockey coverage for probably four four or five years jd laugh. Jd went to become the president of the blues and a net seat opened up. And I got a chance to sit next to the dock and I think. NBC knew that. I was in the horses but I don't think they really realized how much I was. I would always knock and you know Sam Sam. I am flood my boss. Knock on SAM's door once a year and just say Sam you know like if there's any opportunity to get on the triple crown coverage or the horse racing just you know Shit. Just just let me know. Let me know and Sam would be you know t be respectful. But I'd get the heisman and that happens like for I'd have him for like five straight years so eventually I just said you know I went in there and I just Kinda laid my cards on the table. We were out somewhere and I just said you know what I don't know if you I don't know if you know this but I actually got my start in television in in in in in radio in was in horse racing. I said back in ninety four. We won the Cup with the Rangers the following year. There was a work stoppage. I I happen to bring the state not happen to bring this up. I brought the Stanley Cup to the meadowlands racetrack. And to Belmont to celebrate the Stanley Cobb to the track right. That's what I write so the the people meadowlands said well look you guys aren't You're not working. You're not playing the seasons. You know suspended right now. Once you come to the racetrack. We'll pay you eight hundred bucks a show and they knew as going to give me eight hundred. I'm just GONNA be right back please visit. What is this vicious circle? So and they said look we want you to pick the horses for our in house television and do are race show after so that's GonNa introduction at TV was tracing while I was playing and Sam didn't know that so that kind of got his attention attention and got a little help from doc because doc would kind of put me up on a pedestal during the games that we would read the green cheesy t you know hey. Serbia won the won derby four finishers Tam top for a couple of couple of bucks. I know one of our cameraman. Jeez yeah because he bet the numbers I played and he played invested. You'd like twenty four dollars and he hit for twenty five thousand. You know so. We're not going to say is. Dan Got Nice off between gift certificate by very cool very cool then eventually samp one day. Sam just picked up the phone. That was on my way to do Blackhawks Blues Playoff game. So I think it had to be like maybe the the spring of fourteen or whatever and all of a sudden you see your Boskovski before the game. You're like Oh shit what did I say. What did I do what you know? And he goes. I just WanNa let you know We're not putting on the triple crown this year because this was April of fourteen. She goes. We're going to give you a chance and we're GONNA put it on your show during the summer and then will is a great. That's all I wanted to chance. So they sent me out to San and even California You'll like this so I go out there. I get to racism one hour. They bring me on the handicap. Three and I you know. Here's his hockey guy. Talking about a horse racing right. Everybody's like you know. I had to get over that hurdle and say I you know. I think I'm knowledgeable. And this is what I do and this is one of my passions so get on there in the first race is twelve horsfield. So there's twelve horses in there it's a mile race on the turf and the name of the Horse was ten horse and the horse was she's a smoke show. That was the name of the Horse and I all I say is regular jockey gets back on. The horse was on the lead. The last time wants to come off the pace great price ten to one twelve horsfield. What happens boom? She's a smoke show if she wins my first pick ten to one twelve field and no one. I'm in now that's that's just the appetizer. WIT next race comes six Horsfield. Six horsfield you've got to stone favorites like four to five and like a nine to five. What do I do? I go with the fifteen to one point. He says who wins here. Comes the fifteen to one. Shot wrote the corridor. Honor to for two thousand fifteen daily on like three three hundred ninety eight dollars. Hey so you're like Sam. I got great news. I did pretty well. I appreciate it but I'm GonNa need some more money because I was to contract changing aging so that that that got the attention of lot of people and like I said look. Don't expect a solid time like the you know this is if I if I could bad honestly honestly if I could pick winners if I can hit twenty eight twenty seven percent is like Oh yeah but if you if you get three for ten on just winners eight time just winners like your elite. It's like batting average in baseball. I've always young three hundred. You're going to. You're going to get twenty to smell that story about the cameraman cameraman. Winning Roenick teamed up for one. He said that one time you picked like the lowest. Is that a different story. This is the different when he when he was adult when he was there when he was a dumb say like a forty dollar. Bet One or one of my five six K.. Or Solomon Him. I gave him the numbers or me. Let me read it. I oh I thought you would have known the story I know I've made. Jr is some money pucks and he played a Saudi set uh-huh he's pretty He asked him when he was feeding my hort me horses Tibet at Dell Dell right exactly. Yeah so he's at del Mar.. He's there with his buddy party. Craig no not on the phone. He's go I need some action some action so I give him a couple of horses in one race horse in the Latin another race at Del Mar and long story short. I like like an eight to one eighteen. The one in the next leg and I told them what Tibet me Ben. I don't think twenty bucks a vest it and what are you went for K.. Yeah I and I know I know but I mean if he bets two hundred you walk out of there with fifty or sixty. Geez I thought he was. I thought he made a score score. I tell I five hundred dollar bills are like wants to you so I just said I usually take forty percent but I want to say so when I started going down the old man start taking the track now. I know I went with an all hockey buddy. Actually you know why I talk about this book as well Tony Queloz. Who was my eighteen hockey manager for one of the teams? I grew up as a kid. He was a horse player as kid was a goalie. mister quills. Actually in a battle right now self and Thinking about him praying for him. But you know that's all I wanted. I just wanted to track one day with him. Well that's Kinda. I fell in. Love my dad. No more of my dad's a bowler and Golfer. And that's where he would get get his action but my dad never never went to the truck. So what's interesting with the with the Horse Work and all the Games NHL NBC. Also the Blackhawks Games you who work a lot you like you are. How many days a year on are you on the road? One hundred oil. I do one hundred and I mean if if if we get full series and the playoffs twit probably about one hundred fifteen games and you love it though like being that busy in travel I I do. I mean that's like that's not look it. It's look it's what we know is what we love or passionate about it. The people in the game for the most part for the most part. Are you know incredible people and to me. That's what I love the most is running him at the arena or getting a chance to run into you just by chance somewhere or guys you haven't seen or just say get a let load on league and find out what's going on. Wow you know you believe this. Can you believe this guy sitting now. Is this team going to get you know. Make trade somebody going to get fired. But it's just like you know you the Camaraderie with a tank with our guys. Regardless of the era I think is something that is so incredible and I will say this. Is that the era that I came in and again early eighties. I knew who the majority guys were. Thank goodness that always that came before me right. I think there was a stretch. I don't know for how long but I think there was a stretch where a lot of the players that came in the league had no clue who some guys where you sit there go how I would go. How the hell did you not know who this sky was but you serve rally guys and go? Yeah he shot left-hander he shot right screener who color stick tape. There used every guy and all of a send a guy puts on puts a little different color dumped oppressed tape on the Internet. It's reminds me because you're talking about the tape thing and Patrick. Sharp was one of those guys. How come how come when I'm on TV? How come you never do one of those video cams Eddie Olczyk a good looking looking man there solveig sharpie video? Maybe if I saw you on tv one-year-old Sharpie looks right. Now he might be stayed at Jagger's careers out. I don't think I you know. I think I'm still remembering you. Bag Man rockets uh-huh maybe a little bit different demographic we're talking. Is that where you're going with. What we were told by Brent soap or Duncan Keith? Big Buff when he came in the league like. WHO's Joe Sakic? Some people just have no clue. It's hilarious somebody was but again. I think that's what makes our game so I think what makes the game. So great great is that the respect factor regardless of the era. For how many games you play. What your role was if you one Where you're from you know what I mean? I just think there's always a connection. I think there's a respect there and that's what I hope never goes away from our game because if it does I think it loses a little bit of the The Varnish on what I think what we all we all think is. What degraded game is on our as got some interesting stuff about how you when you were coming in the League last horse question? Yeah this story Ori. That's been going around of of Quin Ville during the playoffs and goes in the second round where he was late for a meeting. You know coaches always come at the same time after every period and the boys oyster college whereas all of a sudden they hear this big roaring three-game meeting. No they said okay maybe either way it was there he was late for something. Yeah Yeah and sure enough. He Bet horse and won a big. I think fifty K.. or so. Yeah that yeah. Did you know the story. I had known that he had had a good score. But I didn't know any of the where he was or anything you know. I knew that they were at the rink. But I didn't know the whole scenario but yeah Joel is a When I hit my big Jolt Big Horse Player when I hit my big score invested real quick black in probably nine eleven or twelve years now I invested one hundred sixty eight dollars in a pick six out at Hollywood park mark over across from the old forum? YOU'LL LA forum. Hollywood park and I played it on Express bet which is how I play my play. My horses and invest one hundred sixty eight dollars. They had a million five carryover and invested one hundred sixty eight bucks and I was alive in the last race to seven of the ten horses and the uh-huh payouts for the seven of the ten horses that I had were anywhere between fifty five thousand million five so as long as one of those other two horses that I had eight eight or nine three horses that I didn't have didn't win I was going to cash either one hundred sixty eight bucks for fifty five thousand or a million five so this is late at night. You know it's like ten fifteen in California twelve fifteen in Chicago watching the races. So I knew Joel and I saw I dialed joe up. And he was out in the East Coast. That's reason to summertime and I picked up I call them and then one ring any picks up the phone he goes. Are you alive you alive and pick through. Yeah he was watching you. We calling me unless you're alive. I'm like all my like. Oh I've never. This is incredible so he goes to the tens GonNa Win GonNa win. It was a half a half ish. No no it was the half Ishmael and he goes at ten is GONNA win. I'M GONNA go. Oh my God ten sure enough now. What made it interesting when they were turning for home? They're probably court three eighths of a mile from the finish line line. The third the third fourth and fifth horses were all the ones that were paying a million five. Like so I mean I I had a thrill and here come who comes circle on the outside but the ten horse in a ten percent. So I I for one hundred sixty eight bucks I got back a half Schmil I got I got even even I don't gamble. I don't pick winners up. I don't really money here. So we we haven't even mentioned is unreal career yet. Now you've got taken third overall Woodson hometown. KIDS CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS LIKE A. How much of a thrill is that? I just I did right. This question is will pardon the phrase but did we shit your pants a little bit like okay now. I'm the man here my own town like what was that was that was. Ah because it never happened before We're all hometown kitted undrafted in the first round and bid in the first pick of you know for his team and an american-born that there was a lot of pressure that way and look we all have favorite teams when we were growing up and have the opportunity to play for them. And for me it was the blackhawks and I got that chances dances in eighteen year. Old Kid and There was a lot of I mean. I probably put more pressure on myself playing at home than they did anywhere else yet. Because my first year I had a good goodyear have fifty points we went to the conference finals against Edmonton unfortunately that was when Edmonton Mall Near. Hey if they gave up six. That'd be okay. Because they will get nine they just just. That's the way they played. Nee Grand Fury goal was arguably as one of the good best goaltenders. We've had in a league in the last fifty years so my first year we went to the conference finals we got we lost four games Sotoudeh Edmonton that. My second year had seventy nine points. I play with Troy Murray incurred phrase. You're on a line occurred for troy. Murray one the Selke Trophy had ninety nine points that year and then my third year started off awful Unfortunately I had a friend taken from us at a At a Apartment building in Arizona And he lost his life and I I I am I really ever had. I shouldn't say had to first time ever went to a service via pallbearer. I I just wasn't in a good place. It's the only thing I can look back on and go. I had such a bad year. This is the third year career. It's my third year. She's also look. I don't know if there's anything to do with this. You does the highest Pimm you had in your career. Don't pissed off fans were getting on me and I was frustrated. Team was winning win. And it's just you're just trying so hard because you don't WanNa let anybody down in your hometown. Right fell every night that I had thirty six thousand eyeballs night. You know. Watch him and and look at. It was a bad year and then the hawks had to make a big trade. We made a big trade with Toronto. So myself and Al Secord went to Toronto for Rick. Five Steve Thomas Thomas and Bob McGill via was the captain of the Maple leafs. Elsie Curtis scored fifty goals. And you know and I was. You know just only my third year but then the next year I went to Toronto Toronto and had my best goalscoring wise. I said forty two goals in my in my career and so what I felt like there was less pressure playing trump I did YEP so which is not I would not trade. Yeah you're right I mean especially today maybe a little different but go looking back. I would not trade anything I mean. I played my first game as the Blackhawks I played my thousand game as Blackhawk because I came back the second time right and then I played my eventually my last game with with a lot of games in between but That that third year was rough and then I was able to bounce back and then come my career really took off in starting from my fourth. It got to hear about this dream you had before your first game. The Blackhawks your dream. I had this look at. We all are playing in the show. And you know you just like I couldn't get my equipment on my dream. Well there you go. That's it that I couldn't skate on those are. That's another tree. I look at I. I would wake up in a cold sweat. Were I'd be late waking up from my nap. Stuck in traffic. I couldn't get into the rank. They wouldn't let me in two parking lot. They wouldn't let me into rank because he eddie Olczyk was already at the rink. And you know and I've had two hundred ten hundreds of times so you know I thought yeah. I thought the trainers you know the guys in the room. You tell them something you know. Everything's confidential it stays in a room and I was like Vegas Right. What happens there you know so I tell? Her trainer skipped there and my rookie year. I tell him this during training camp. I said Hey skip you know. I said that just had this dream. Last night he goes. Well what is it now. Have you ever saw mets skip. Skip was with penguins for a long time to skip skips big guys probably five eleven to twelve like a huge guy. Great Guy Right so he goes. What's what's the dream kit? So I tell them I said I wake up in a panic for my first. I guess I'm late. I'm stuck in traffic. I tried to get into the parking lot the parking lot attendant. We'll let me in security guard won't let me and again they say Eddie Olczyk already here. I'm all nervous as kid kid. Don't worry about dreams. Don't come true or whatever okay so sure enough. I'm getting ready. Played my first game in the NHL. October of eighty four. I'm living at home right. I'm living at home my first couple of years in a show while I'm driving to the rank trump traffic. You know it's fine is I'm getting a little closer to the old Chicago Stadium. Traffic starts getting a little heavier and all of a sudden. It's like okay You know man I remember dream this like there's bad traffic you know and Nelson I pulled into the rink and then the guy goes you know tells me I like wave because I seen this guy. Fifteen eighteen times since training camp started he says. Roll Down Your window my job I go. Who are you? I go I'm Eddie Olczyk. He goes he's already already here. I went now like an hour as wheels. I'm like this. Is this guy going to tell me. I can't park here because you can't park here. I went oh Mike Inception night's show so I'm like come on seriously does not sorry. I'M GONNA look at least kind of parking and try to. Yeah go ahead so he lets me in. So then I go walking gait three and a half. WHO's just private gay for the players and security so I walk in there and the guys in there and spiders gotta run the door and His last name was web. So that's why we call them spider so spiderweb spider's can help you spider. Yes who are you I go. You know like I'm sweating. I'm pitting out now and I'm looking at the client. I ever watched him. I'm like late now now. I'm late this late Aston minutes and he goes let me some. Id because Eddie Olczyk already know called onto the rule. ooh I'm telling you I'm here is now plus to play in this all right. Yeah I have no clue no clue. That's why I love. The trainer was best rule this time. I'm I'm thinking about one thing. Not being late for the meeting. Planning Dreams come true and it finally goes. Yeah go ahead yeah. They said the goal. So now I'm sprinting and I get to the stairs and I start walking down. I'm shaking my head and I'm like I'm floss adult. I'm walking. I walk around a corner. I'm going by the training room. I look in there and I said Hey I skip and and as I'm walking by him I hear he goes. Hey Kid and I kinda back up a second and he goes. Did you have any problem getting into the ring. Aw Oh skip. Decided share too much more with skipping over here that night. What do you mean Moscow to go on my first gained game? Thank you goal in a seven. Three win about the staff visited the stack. I WANNA go back to when you broke broke in you actually broken with a guy. I grew up on the same street as Jackie. O Callaghan guys. Who basically the only American regulars on that roster and? They weren't a lot Americans League back then. Did you guys kind of bond over that at all Jack Actor Care May because he was in Olympia and obviously nineteen eighty team are just the I mean. They opened up the door for US rate they did for for. They opened up the door for are people in an NHL. Say what down there. They got some pretty good hockey players in that team opened up the doors by winning the gold medal and Jack took me under his wing has always been a terrific. A guy and You know yeah. I think that there was that Your I think he gravitate the guys. I'm sure you guys had it. You know certain guys kind of going out of their way. Okay and just making you feel comfortable and and you know guy like Jack Ocalan Troy. Murray was one of those guys for me when I came in. I mean we. We had had some incredible veteran guys. Immediate Denis Savard Steve Larmer Troy Murray Doug Wilson a Ben Wilson Al Secord. I mean we're talking about toughness. We they could play any way you want it like I said we just unfortunately for us. Edmonton was in their heyday. But Jack was. You know a great guy and somebody that I could would lean on or somebody that you know would would look after me of being you know. Young eighteen-year-old can league. What was the Anti American sentiments in the League back then because like I said that weren't very many did? Did the guys to the Canadians give you shit all the time on Right there weren't that many players right. Yeah I mean it was. It was I felt felt it more when I left home when I was fifteen to go up to play junior being Stratford Ontario. Okay I mean I went up there with two other buddies of mine and And we went up there and played in Strafford Play Junior. It'd be hockey and I mean that's where it was kind of more More every day the ugly American or however you want to put a little bit had to fight a little bit. Yeah yeah but I mean it was. It wasn't bad I mean but it's just you feel just more people you know barking and stuff but it really wasn't you know wasn't that bad. WHO's your first? NHL Scrap with with. Somebody asked me that the other day and I can't remember I I remember having a couple scraps lead Norwood who is a pretty tough defenceman and it is fact because we know what's on their worldwide web thing that's on everything is on the Internet right sticky. Don wrote it Nice a five minute fight. It's in their pro. Burt Olczyk five minutes for fighting. Now I did a lot of receiving because if you if you go well I ah. It's on the Internet. I did fight him. I just happened to be the I happen to be the first guy around there and had to get in there and Mickey Redmond one of the great red wings of all time does a great job there on in In Fox Sports Detroit doing color on. TV You can hear Mickey in the background sitting there. All what is he doing. He doesn't want any of that. I go yeah. I didn't want any of that. uh-huh I'm skating up. The ICE plays up here. You got everybody up in front of the crowd going crazy. I'm like well the PUCK here. There's nothing going on I look back. There's pro be feeding feeding Kenny. Regular goalie go and I'm like I'm looking rally. That's a legendary clip. Like I've seen that I have to go over the okay. Okay so I get in there and I'm what do you do prior to play with probably got a soul at the end of his career and my career was just one of those where you just Kinda get in there and get them off the goalie rate. And you're hoping and everybody else cups. But Mickey says an ultra. What is he doing? I Kim a lot of credit but he doesn't you WANNA do that. Yeah you're right I don't want any of that. Would it be around for the next couple of years. Don't WanNa continue to play this sport when your kid t- me up for was the prank that Eupol for with the car dealership car for one or two week road trip we were playing. We were playing in Winnipeg and somebody had bought a Ah But a nice pickup truck and somehow we got the keys service. Not Ongoing. was a beezer Richter Dawn. On this is a winnipeg. Oh Aw oh there's a couple of cars stories with the sewn-up fish in a bottle I if you still want to admit it okay. I'll they give me. He's like flurry never had all they're gonNA be all right. We just happen to put a for sale sign in somebody's pickup truck there and we put the house number on their show back. Then neuronal cell phone on some Guy Maxwell smart you pick took off your shoe arranged who's that goes look. Ask them millennial. Yeah so we put in the wife eventually like on the check and his wife with the way for a couple of days. Did you put your car for that. You put your pickup up to eighty call best offer. You know four hundred dollars Canadian four hundred Canadian. It was a nice pickup truck. Dean Kennedy was a great guy but I mean he tried to sell that thing for you. Guys were clowns back that there's not a lot of pranks going on anymore around around the league back then it was like you guys have fun now. Not as much from what I'm told prologue it's five years pretty much five sick. It feels like I have been on a leak for forty years and I don't I don't know of the change from five years ago to now is more than say five five years after he retired. Maybe it always is the same. It's that much different. Yeah but I don't know the guys we talked to just with how young it is and the lack of joking around the law can I can i. I'll say this is that and I think a big reason for that I think is for the most part when you go on the road. Most guys have their own room now. Yeah that's definitely a real look at when you got room you're always there's always something going on right. There's a story from one room at least every every morning. One hundred percent. You know guys. I used to room at Mark Osborne I played on three different teams Mark Osborne and And and we I mean we would have wrestling matches. We will yeah he. He's he's a born again Christian he would be reading the Bible in one bed and I would have the racing form and the other so we had everything covered when we flu. We sat in the exit row. I figure I better sit next to him shot. I got a good shot. Flying Scare Ontario at the maple leafs next ozzy. He's got the Bible out. I got the I got out right. Yeah you're right with Genesis. I think that that's I believe that I believe with guys being on their own room more. You know what I mean. I know I know what happens because I hear but right when guys are on a bus now everybody's down like there's nobody like I get. I don't care. I would make the rule when the bus when the wheels are in motion. Phones are off now unless there's an emergency or whatever they got the traveling secretary then he can come back and say Ed's Oh you gotta you gotTa take this call Okay Right. I should be exactly. Look at whether it's the game or whether it's what happened last night or uh-huh something going on the road. Whatever you know whatever it is I just you know what I mean that's that's those are where I miss those times? More than anything on the bus in the locker but so now everybody I mean the game. It's more social. It's more phones have changed everything not one common theme in probably the last ten years every winning winning team were so close and alcohol is probably not a big part of the game or as much but like Saint Louis was getting after it. Well they have nights with eight they have nights where what you're saying. Is You create memories and stories that you're laughing about later on. That's what happened y'all get together but to though and Takada what you're talking about this is that now it's you get in you go for dinner. You go to the hotel you go to your skate you go play. Play your game and you leave like very rarely. You know you're not you're not staying on the you're not on. The road is much right. You're not going out and say guys everybody's meeting at wherever at six the clock. We're going to go out and have a good time or after the game. We're all GONNA go out. You know right. I mean that. Does that's not happening so so those times aren't as maybe opportunistic mystic because of the scheduling and everything right and look I get it. It's much different to be an athlete today than it was. I know in my one hundred percent. Even your guys era. It's changed a lot like you said. I think the quality in regular season has gotten you know but just everything everything that goes with it. Because everybody's for the most part. Everybody is focused on one thing and in playing the and and not worrying about anything else back today. Everybody was doing it. So it's hey wait is say that. They're focused on girls winner. Back in in Winnipeg. You've got to spend some time with a very young big. Walt what kind of savage was like as a rookie june-august nickname shit. Yea well he came in and of course being a hockey fan being a hockey fan. Don't being hockey fan my whole life. I was like Keith Tkachuk CA. Chuck Wolcott Choke. I'm like the guy that played for the Rangers all those years. I'm like big left. Handed guy a bull in a China shop type again. I'm like own former players and so all of a sudden here comes i. Oh Yeah you doing Walter Walt. My Name's Keith. Going on on your walled. Now from Adam became Big Walt. The rest is history mystery so pretty big man I think his first game of anonymous. It came from the Olympic team and mistake and he had A. He had a problem with his left hand. He had tape on it. He had to wear tape or whatever and like maybe I don't know maybe eight shifts in him and Scott Mellanby went at. It melts off custom Hoffy. Boy Heavy boy could get find his way around the dance floor and wall was like okay. I'M GONNA do it my first game and a man. It was a heavyweight heavyweight fight. I it was good but I mean there is a guy that I mean. He could play any way you wanted to do. It had it. He had attitude I saw him as a young guy. Coming coming in and very very raw Love love everything about being a hockey player. Yeah it's probably the best way to discredit Yeltsin looking looking for love being around the boy talk about trainers. That guy treated them my goal. I would I would hope maybe caught and took was tied a little bit by your popping your tires. Jesus Christ background too. Old Man. Boston firefighters right exactly I. They may look at look at. I mean look at the bloodlines now. Brady and Matthew that you had a young donor to Shown Shane don't said you were a little harder. Were you on the rookies old school I think it helped him. I think I I think I was. I think I was hard on them but they would always be asked to come over for dinner. He spent time at the House. You know what I mean. Yeah you know what I mean Kaz. Sometimes it's like around work hard autumn but like Oh for sure right always out for him. You're not is not for me up. Never personal exactly ever ever because I know how I was treated because because sometimes it look it again errors change when I came in the League shall be seen and not heard mouth shut right last in line at the food. You'd get the best contracts right. Exactly now they're getting the best contract there. We've the old guys out. That's that's kind of the reality of it just over time but you. I would like to think that those young guys Knew that had their best interest in. Yeah maybe hard on in practice. Maybe saint a pick up your shit. Trainer's not there to do you know little things like that and go get here get. I don't WanNa see you getting on the bus. Two minutes nine when the bus is rolling should be here at grabbed the stick back some of that stuff. Because that's what I mean. That's what I did you had to do. We're taught like. Did you have any more hockey questions. Are we close. I think we've got to wrap one. That's your favorite host track which which would in Saratoga which one is it. Only only open month tough If you're telling me Allie could go and one more day the track one more day going probably going to Santa Anita Arcadia California. Yeah Nice out there. It's awesome Massachusetts with the biggest the biggest one. It's like all millionaires in Miami or something huge racism. I is that out in California. That wants to Pegasus Down Gulfstream Park. That's in January. It's also it's all star day. Yeah do you buy into the race. You GotTa buy in a slot into the race. Yes yes yes you gotTa have a Schmil to get in whether you have a horse or not you gotta average smell just avid spot. Got One more. This'll be the last one or if you want one. I just want one more after asked now. Who who do you like in the breed is do we get a winner yet? Okay now I oh man. I got a text them out there and that's just GonNa make the owner of the Florida Panthers Vinnie Viola. We all are extremely happy. We've seen him before he's a horrible guy he owns the panthers is. I believe that Vinnie Viola and micro Poli the the owners of Vino Roseau. Okay will win. The reader will win the Breeders Cup. Classic Straight from edsel arose to my old man through east proven run on the track Santa. Anita he come off a race where he got disqualified for bumping into code of honor. Thought was a fair disqualification. Oh shoot and now. He's going back out to California. I think it's a wide open race. I think if you I think he's going to be somewhere between I think he'd be somewhere between four and five to one gay so bad one one hundred. Jr Seven hundred million twenty on every single one hundred. You're going to get back probably five plus on your investment so math guy. We got a new math guy. Hey what's what's what's wrong with five one on your money in a matter of two minutes and four. So I'll take that and it's usually has a censure. The math guy. Quick Math questions forty plus fourteen forty plus fourteen fifty four for all right. That's all right now. This is going to be the last question I asked you in. Its time about when you got wit. Wit was having a hard time figuring that one out a couple of episodes on on all these guys don't know when I'm fucking with you always twists Golick. Always gotTA keep. Could you talk about the time you gotTA check from the stands ends. One Who is to is feeding information best. I'm a rat all right so I'm playing in. Pittsburgh wasn't going well Kevin. Constantine was writing me. We like you know what and we played a game night before Eddie. And Tommy my my oldest boys but you know at that time there were seven and six respectively. So I'm like ninety six ninety seven in the Burgh I'm at the Mount Lebanon ice arena. They're playing. It's like six forty in the morning. Sunday Tommy's out there playing a game and there's two officials out out there and yeah I might've game whatever and the referees are calling offsides like it's you know by the right exactly so they're it touching off side all the way down the body attention. off-side these kids don't even know what Wade he put their underwear. So I'm like now I'm getting like on starting to get a little angry so sure enough. It happens again so I I yell come on rough what do you think this is the NHL all of a sudden. I hear I turn it like my son Eddie. They're my oldest one time to hear you. Oh thank you mike going anywhere. So we're GONNA kick me on here here. Comes the team manager Kathy Galloway. The Mount Lebanon Hornet might team. She goes mistral. Check They won't start to game until you leave. I'm like really she goes. Yeah so I had said to get up and before I get up my sign. Eighty goes like this and my son. Tommy is out there to see goes. Hey data yeah anyway. What he goes? Are you going to tell mom like no you better so I had to go stand in a quarter at the mall limited until the game was over. I mean do I want to say that's the last time I ever yelled Jeffrey. Answer is no. That guy is more sensitive than me. Gosh I was just like seriously but you know what I wear. Everything right does the only time. She only time thrown out of the rank. We could have done weeks. Well hopefully we can do it again at some point because there's so much y told me as a comeback guy could talk about anything so thank you so much for coming on a plug. The Bar one last year. I'm yeah aiding the odds and hockey and in life and a little bit more love. We're looking for that's it laugh. Laugh a little in love a little bit more. So that's the goal and get check to and I think a lot of guys out there sometimes tough guys about it. They don't want to get a look at. 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GO TO GET QUIP DOT com slash checklist to get your first refill. Free go right now to G. E. T. Q.. Ip Dot COM com slash chocolates. That's C. H. L. E. T. S. Thank you very much to add though. Eddie all chuck still cannot believe. I didn't in bet that frigging horse right after he said. I think you hear any earning. I'm taking that so he called it all you guys got a winner. They're not that you would have known. He said it because we just released it in the race happened about five weeks ago but thank you very much him I- I pro- coach on their. Forget him Biz. What do you got on Mike Babcock? Did he just got a huge you. Just seven hundred victory. You mentioned Mike Babcock. Seven hundred wins and I know like we have stories on our podcasts at random little bit about doing some mean things maybe at least we think right we think we assume that they're all premeditated. Okay we don't know that okay. I'd love to get him on some time to talk doc about them. I don't know if he would but I was at the leafs game. I did a content piece. Recently I talked about. I won't divulge too much information because it is coming out next week. But he took hooked some time out of his schedule after the game to come say hello to someone that I asked him to and why didn't really ask them to but he didn't need to do it and he knew that like. Hey this guy is here for this. Reason is because a bunch of the other guys that came out but he he talked to him and he and he gave them like a decent amount of time so I know he gets ripped on a lot. Ah But he did a nice thing. And if we're GONNA shit on him about some stories we gotta acknowledge when he's being a good guy really shit on the players did and also other players have said Nice things about autumn troy. We've gotten a nice balance over the years. Maybe a little tilted. The other way was on comes on a bit at the same time. I also got. We're in Philly like Granola said at the top of the episode relieving even I believe Tuesday and Thursday night at fine wine and good spirits on one eighty west Girard Avenue Philly. We're going to be there for pink Whitney meet-and-greet from five to seven combined. I need the spitting. Chocolates crew grabbed bottle. Pink Whitney if you want us to put our John. Henry's on it. We'll do that as well but looking forward to that once again Thursday November fourteenth five to seven at fine fine wine in good spirits on one eighty west Girard Avenue Philly Pennsylvania speaking of Pennsylvania. Let's go across the State for Nice Story. Sid The kid what a guy man we know that already he had his all star game. MVP Kailash well. He decided to donate it to a local veteran Veterans Day of courses Monday so the penguins had a bunch of veterans. Commit to the Locker Doc Room and SID led a twenty eight year old madeline glitzy. Oh she's an army specialist the past five years. He's she's Carleen School for Legal Studies. He kind of walked into a garage. You didn't really know what was going on. POPs open the garage this all-star game from last year he was a hundred Says it's all yours and she had her three year old son with them. I mean it just changes this woman's life. She doesn't have costumes and he doesn't need it. Didn't give us bodies are relatively gave it to a total stranger. You know to thank her for what she doesn't it. Just I mean we always love the guy on the show anyways you can't knock him. But what more can we say about the Guy Right. Oh it's incredible and then after I guess you know wants the cameras off sit grabbed her by the side and said hey listen to Lisa Lisa. Seven hundred a month. Just send me three US guys humor. Yeah he's the best we've said it before so that was awesome as cool cool picture I saw of him handing it over to her and awesome. I mean what's that thing. been doing it since he won. We were at that game. It's got it's I've got twenty thousand miles on it. Because he's been let us drive in hold Mackie's hey. He drove it one day and he scored and he's been on this point stream so you can't drive it so it's got its. He's a twenty thousand clicks but still basically New Zealand's Nate Dogg fall around Don Halifax need the dog prize. Exact same one next week nights gonNA give that card avs fan same exact man. Yeah said he got one of the story and I heard hurt. She didn't have a car he took care of it. So Kudos to sit once again. That's a great gesture. Grenell E we did a little cattle call for some mailbag. We haven't done that for a little while. Did we get anything worth using. I know sometimes we get some tough entries but what are we got going back to sit to and it's such a nice gesture. I'm really going to feel bad when we fuck on. Bend him over on that golf course again in Halifax next summer like it's things like that. I'm like fuck all right. Maybe I am a sixteen. I WanNa see more facts. So sorry said Nate I'm not GonNa let up on you because you're doing nice shit in the community but it was still very nice gesture g good all right guys for the mail bag we'll start off with Ra Ra. What is the bet you Moshe regret in your entire life? It's about a five thousand way tie. I I don't I mean it's not one I've you know I mean any over fuck and five thousand dollars I lost. I suppose I regret. I've got a handful of those But there's not one particular bet like Man That's that's the one that killed me the ship them over the years so you don't have answer. No well my answer. Yeah it's a I mean it search. There's too many to count. Is I mean lively. Lost Ten thousand dollars bets over the years so I but it's been so long I've done it a few times. I guess again the four or five way tie that time they lost ten in grand but it happened too many times too many years from meeting. Remember exactly who the game was saw and all these questions are from email. Jj ww and he led off off by asking. If I've ever used anything above sixty five flex stick so that was a good sheriff. I gotta I gotTa give it to them. They're small risks. I do Biz. Visit your question your biggest celebrity crush on visible crushing like emotional crush like who. I've crosstalk astute across what I was a huge Scarlett. Johansson Fan are war on your pants. Caveman God. I just I don't Oh man like every day I flicked on instagram. It's like I wanNA crush that I want to. I mean right now. Just based on like talent went in in in that matters she gets stick handle. I mean these two academy award nominee. I would probably put Margot Robbie up there. Wolf of Wall Street Rock Margot Robbie was. That was good. That was really that was like porn without the actual sex. The I can't remember watching something. Where a woman was closed and Kinda getting a boner like? I can't remember the last time she was like before her. She was it definitely the last like that movie when the scene when like when he like. She's crawling up or whatever or is he crawling up. He's in the in the baby room and he's he wants. What's that just monitor band and night before like flew a helicopter or his backyard? What's what's the guy's name in the movie Jordan? Belfort Joan Bell Oh But yeah that scene like talking I used to jerk off to bt rat videos before before had access the porn. I did if I can see as outlet mags come on old school like Dr Dre the chronic with snoop dogg in it. The girls in the back of the fucking low tom or whatever the on Nelly Nelly had a few good videos. That's how pathetic I was back down off to music videos. Where all Paul Chris? Isaac Wicked Games Nine Thousand Times Youtube video. I actually found out later on in life that he had sex with the girl while. The video was union films Tomes K.. So it's funny. We're in the age bracket where we didn't have to deal with our parents pain. Where like maybe got a sears catalog? Or they went to the BRA section. Or a maybe even they got a couple page page is that of a playboy and they had to use that on repeat. Will the kids nowadays. Won't I don't know our struggles of of of that music videos or now they do everything they can get on their phone they could do. They could do the bathroom at their school. The kids in seventh grade girls was supposed to have their bottles bleached. I mean. I'm pretty sure that times have changed G. for the with dog daycare. What I'm showing tip it over here? Press one is is wet and it's would you rather play your entire tire professional hockey career in the cage. L. Ennobles crews nets and be able to golf when you retire or play in the NHL in never be able to golf when you retire all. That's a fucking unbelievable question. It would have been normal. 'cause nets be put but here's the thing to be L. to golf the way I want a golf. I had to make the money I had to make. So if I could've made thirty sheets and Novokuznetsk crushed a bunch of crocodile up my skull then and I'm all in for it now if you told me if I played in the NHL in won a Stanley Cup. I couldn't golf. I'd have to think about it a little more but man you're my career ended. When I I was thirty two Iowa what the hell what what am I gonNA do? I hate fishing. I get seasick like a piece of shit. I can't even go on the ferry over Nantucket I gotta fly. Oh what was me. I just basically can't imagine no golf so I gotta go with Nobles Crews Nets with me and I think there's plenty of other hobbies. I don't be could cycling. What am I going to like room? I going to do cycling tennis player. I am good at tennis. I am actually very good at tennis. I get around those ankles calls. I don't really move that much because I played the ball in the perfect spot on the court. Nobody can get federal. Nobody can get to know. I'm nasty tennis. I'm now you've really my buddies. Yeah I played gone up nasty all around anyone on in tennis. You're you're you're gonNA cake eater sports. Yeah I'm a little pussy. How are you a basketball or rafic whole? Why do you think I hate it worse than me? No I guarantee PARENTI. You're better than me dude. I don't remember that content piece. I my knee was not. Yeah but you you look your. You looked athletic. Like I'm telling you if if you saw me on a basketball court. I remember the only basketball memory I had. I played in sixth grade. And my good Buddy Jack Really. He's the kid I've mentioned before on here. Who beat flurry in the breakaway competition? Titian that played college hockey. I told that story well. He was he had a fast break and he was like my best friend from hockey and I just tripped him. Anyone fallen flying could have got injured now is my my basketball Mavericks Triscuit. Do you think you could beat. Ra Basketball one hundred percent Ra. Let's do it. Who knows? Maybe Aby Aura played in high school. I did I was or you play Nice School. Yeah Y'all I say play 'em I'm saying I'd beat them. Yeah Yeah I mean I'm not gonna I'm not gonNA skipped. I would back him in the bucket. Boom boom I would come Komo. News anchors is manage day off like the NBA man wet. I'll bet you thousand thousand bucks. You can't beat them in basketball game up to ten game on play to eleven game on all right. Sorry C. R. A.. Even knows the fucking rules thousand basketball. Your faulk Dude Buddy. I will be fucking laughing ends. I'm winning in this one in every cent that I went off. If you beat Kim we'll have to do it in the summer and I'M GONNA have to lose a few pounds before I take them on. I'm GonNa get you a fucking youtube shooting coach or not a youtube that you know these instagram accounts elsewhere. They have shoot. I'm going to find you a shooting coach. We're going to be doing drills. I'm and we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA do this all right we could be wit I a little little hoop history. Three actually hit her fucking game winning three one time but we don't talk about. NBA Jam on Sega only BNB l.. But it was still a fucking always fucking dropping leading names. You lost the neighborhood basketball the yatch new pilots. The Guy by buddy passing me by accident inbounding at the Buzzer. There was like three seconds left. We went down to my buddy was coming on over half court and he sees he sat thrown into because he sees a six one blond guy. And as you pass you. Let's go and you could see a space like old Ron guy but I couldn't pass it was the Buzzer. Throw it up fucking nothing but net which was hilarious. I would've thought off the glass. I have AVOCA owner on my friends spaces like that's when you know you really did someone you look your friends basis. And they're like button hit it so that was my my one highlight about my one. Yeah but my biggest I might. I'm even more money on this game. Yeah all right boys. That'll wrap up the mail bag. Now we gotta go gambling corner. Tuneup here. let's see Friday afternoon. We nailed Tampa Bay's Friday wind versus the Buffalo Sabres. Said only money line. No Park nine. Thank God one three two So now you gotTa pick a few days out a couple of teams you'll have already played and yet the Roma but having said that the penguins are in MSG Tuesday night. And I'm going to jump on the penguins. I have no idea how they'll have done since. Extend while the Rangers but I think there are team protein. That typically better numbers so Tuesday night at MSG. I'm going to jump on the penguins. And this is the top two because the other dad give Tampa. I had no idea they were gonNA hundred six hundred seventy. I just thought it was going to be. Because of their record. I use it on bad teams that high so hopefully the penguins will be around the one forty one. Fifty tops ops Probably GonNa take probably GonNa take them on the money line probably chasing the puck vine as well. I'll give out specific wages when I put the blog up Tuesday by again Pittsburgh Tuesday today at MSG over the Rangers and also today is Veterans Day in the United States. And we'd like to thank everyone who has served insurance today. It's a huge sacrifice to dedicate one's life right to the AM services and we appreciate the hell out of you here at spitting chocolates. Well said well said I have a video that I don't often whenever release yet. Kobe could be my first tweet in quite a while. Could just be sent to you grinnell so the other day night. NHL Network had a show on. I didn't see the beginning. I think it was top thirty like personalities. He's in hockey but it was an old video time watching it and all of a sudden number. Nineteen Paul comes. There are some classic old clips clips of you like interviewing girls on the street and stuff. So what I did was during the video I just paused it and I gave my opinion on each thing he said so. Maybe we'll get that out there. At some point I thought it was pretty funny it was in somewhat. The coyotes with the man on the street was wearing a white shirt. I don't remember the shirt are you wearing. But it wasn't just that it was a bunch of things like your like your placement in the game and like funny like audio clips but I had opinions on everything you said. So maybe we'll get that video. Ah I WANNA see this fucking video before it goes out all right. Don't worry about it where where did you find that video. It was just on any network and I said only God yes sean break go record this say it. The only reason it was honest because the bruins red wings were on NHL Network. But it's blacked out when when it's in Boston right because it so then they show these old like time. filler type videos. God like Ronald Krauss. cringe-worthy how cringe-worthy is worthy of the content. Not Really cringe-worthy. It was funny it was funny like big fans of you. You will think it's pretty funny. But she outright thanks mom anyway I we love you. Oh do we talk about the meet-and-greet I agree. Yeah I did that about five minutes ago. We've worked and off if something happens. I told these guys something happens tonight. I'll get on on now. I'll get on here tomorrow and and I'll recap it so don't you guys where you're listening to this and nothing happened. You didn't hear me address anything and if if you're listening saying to this you also know that I would have stepped up to the plate and covered. My boy had something happened. I love you guys. And Dad's always we'd like to say thank you to us. Sponsors and listeners. We hope you're supporting sponsors. Because they're awesome if you want to check out men's league sweaters go to men's league sweaters dot com slash chickasaw. They use the Promo Code checklists for Roman swipes. You want to go to get Roman dot com slash chocolates to check out black buffalo go to black buffalo dot com and use the Promo Code S. C.. 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