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Ep 251 | Phil's 'Gunsmoke' and Jesus Deal, Mia's Courage, and When Jase's Life Got Better

Unashamed with Phil Robertson

50:58 min | 2 weeks ago

Ep 251 | Phil's 'Gunsmoke' and Jesus Deal, Mia's Courage, and When Jase's Life Got Better

"Him unashamed what about you. Uh well my daughter is improving slowly that girl. Oh it's been we've been getting a ton of questions about it. Yeah it's been a marathon but they said the first couple of weeks we're gonna be rough and they were. It's hard to prepare yourself but it's hard to give updates because this is a marathon and they're kinda monitor you know we're flying back and forth once a week just so they can look and say okay. Everything's going according to plan. But i'll tell you this. I mean she's she's feeling better and starting to eat more because my biggest concern is you know. Because she's you lose a lot of weight during this process and which is normal. Because you know you have not really big to start with all right. But she's improving and you know we tend to we. We're all in with our faith and trust in god and meanwhile you got the global pandemic all these rules that are going on in your in these hospitals. And you know the things that i see on the world's approach and ours is so vastly different sam sitting somewhere in a hospital and they had a poster up there and it's you know there's this woman who's which was what was weird. She's in the process of running but she's not sweating. That's the first thing i noticed. And there was a caption that said for every five minutes the chew for every no hang on this totally wrong for every mile that you run you save. Are you extend. I can't remember how this can. We cut that. I'll start over. So i'm looking at this poster. This woman is running. She's not sweating. And it says for every mile that you run you add five minutes to your life. And i thought i would have thought it was just the opposite for every five minutes aired. You run you take off your now. Though i'm i'm you know in the world we're looking for motivation. I'm all in with god's in control and he's dealt amid healer and no matter what happens we're good but if you're looking for motivation first of all my you know my the i thought that that popped in my head will it on. What's chasing you. Who were the two the two who are the two actors who were the two actors who blew the train up and bills whatever wear and they looked over there and all the horses were coming out of this. What's what's that movie to western Fairly jumped off the cliff. I know sway 'em you got it narrowed down for a few hundred f- cast bliss cast in the sundance kid. If that's the case at five minutes ever my run 'em suckers lead to be two hundred years. Oh well the second. The second thought i didn't. They shot up in bolivia's unpleasant. Well yeah but the second thought that after it depends on. What's chasing you because you're if something's chasing you this faster as in crocodile or whatever. That's just a lot. But the same thing i thought was he. One of his top ten stories is him getting chased by wolves when he was. What was the niger diem. I'm the details are fuzzy on lead. Even heard their story one hundred times but it says is getting bigger and bigger the lie he would tell it. Got so big at some point. He got all in and believed within the tennis shoes of smoking and yeah he smelled burning. That were during the process Letdown in his shoes caught on fire because of the friction created. He set all male track record. That just show you the way the way it works. I surveyed the stories he told and i said just a bunch of bull but I said you know how you know. Type above just much. Do but the naysayers that ohio miss robinson now. He what your brother has talent at. Its it's talent so in the in the in the movie making world size very talented because he can blow smoke with a straight face. Yeah and then the smoke gets thicker and thicker as he goes and they said that it would you do that. I said now would not blow that much bull. He said he will. He's talented. You're not sit down and shut up. Yeah basically that's what the movie guys told me what i'm on telling the next ten. Next time i say mile is. I'm gonna i'm gonna tell him. Okay you know why. Because he had the coronavirus and now he thinks he's indestructible which technically is is spirit and almost a you know why that you made it. 'cause he's going to say i mean he. He wasn't done yet here. You know whatever he'll say. And i must say that time you ran the fourteen miles with the wolves chasing you. You got all these. You accumulated the telling my little graphic the five minutes added. Ls right from that one trip. I hadn't thought about that. You know you gotta understand sas stories. They're sorta like mom stories. There's there's a truth there. Like he was probably out he probably sell a county and it scared him and he ran away from the county and then that turned into the ten mile. Run i it was one wolf and then it was three and it was a pack then is then. His tennis shoes exploded in flames. Well and fire music started as he's running. Y'all are my son. And and i'll give you a little little of some asian For this all boils down to. I think as i go forth now across america whatever vehicle we use whether it be podcast are just meeting together. Go into places like kentucky making many books. There's no end. Much study wearies the body. Now it's been heard. Here's the conclusion of the matter. Fear god and keep his commandments. This is the whole duty of man for god will bring every day in the judgement including every hidden thing whether it's good or evil. Here's the deal to all you listeners. Out there here's the format we've told. You pointed jesus. We preach the gospel to you. It's been ongoing and it's been a couple years and all all these episodes everybody now. My humble advice is for everybody. All of you read the book of john who i liked that advice to find out who jesus is and what grace is all about. Yeah and then you must for one year. Watch at least one. Hundred episodes of gunsmoke matt dillon. And you'll see what low an order is all about and it is not a outdated cultural depiction. You had me. You watch john and matt dillon. your study. Both of 'em one hundred hundred episodes at a minimum because what matt deals with a law and order perspective is every known sand to mankind. They were full of envy hatred murder. Strive deceit of coveting. Everything is in matt dillon. He steps in as the law and he will put a bullet in you very quickly. If you're doing any of this mischief. Good matt dillon. Bad the one and all the sands and it's every every episode here. Here's my royalty of mankind you were going through about votes on jesus's amen amen amen and then all of a sudden when you get to matt dillon. I went young african american church culture. They they do something. I've talked about that. I wish everyone did. Is there a man a man and then they go well. That's maine's learn about john. The apostle what he said about this and learn. What matt dillon. Iran ran a phone sinful men over that but you brought to heel is shown very two very small too small. For what dillon did i. Br you brought up they kentucky. Because i i was in kentucky last night. Hang on j.'s. Tell that story. I wanna read a verse up your thought it struck into my brain. This from i corinthians nine twenty four. Do you not know that in a race. All the runners run but only one gets the prize run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last though we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore i do not run like a man running aimlessly. Do not fight like a man beating the air. And so yeah just summaries at burs popped into my brain. I like it you way more than five minutes of more time mortality point without being obvious i mean look the third point on that was that's it i mean. I'm all run a mile voluntarily for no reason without something chase and you're gonna give me five minutes. I just thing sit on the couch and cheetos not enough. I'm like run this race. And you get immortality even here mistakes as you go the curves and the road the running the race track. Whatever you make of you slip you stumble you. You get up and you keep moving immortality. Jurors are the concept. Thank you i mean. There's more look the bible. I nine yeah. I is not worse. The verse that i believe as i that at the end it's i'll look it up real quick. It says mayor whole body soul and spirit be kept blameless at the coming of the lord in that in that s audience five is. My point is look my daughter has been through. I mean it's hard for me to even people ask. I'm like what i it's indescribable here. So bones breaking them. Loosening straightening them. I mean i. These surgeons eased as i saw their incredible. And that is that's matthew in matthew. I says loans. Five twenty three. And what i was going to say is she. She wanted to go to teen church last night and i was like do. What miss you me. Metex on the plane because i went to kentucky and did an event down. Tell you about that and say but i was like to what i mean. My first reaction was. That's a terrible idea. I mean she's not she just she just had surgery. And but then. I realize and that's a little less than two weeks ago. Yeah i'm line and it's a small gathering but you are age of corona virus. Oh you know. We don't want her to get sick or we. I'm like she can't get any more sick than she has been. And but it hit me about that soul and spirit for a teenage girl all the surgery. She's had the emotional aspect of this is is lost. I mean here she is. She can't communicate she's in this pain stricken world for days and days and days and we and she she wants to be with some people in godly. You know and. I'm like good call bay. 'cause i think is great for emotional and she did and it was fine but and i thought you know. It's pretty courageous because she swollen and they had prior for i it was. It was great. And that's what the world does it understand that we're not just focused on the body because you're famous line about working out and eating right you'll die healthy. There's like this running. You know you can run and be in tip top shape near running through the mountains of montana and guess what you encounter bareness jason. You you lose what what happened all this five minute accumulation. You lost all your points in one episode with a bear. I it's just. There's a difference when you look at the wholeness of a human being and how it's relatable to what god offers us. It's just a way way better lifestyle. So i think she made the right call. Hey let's take a quick break. So jason your credit card company bounces some. If you had a credit card i guess Some suspicious charges on your card. That simple identify theft right. It's annoying but the credit card company will cover someone stealing you know from your credit card. Which is you know. That's that's kind of bad but the time the two candidates you really got to worry about is the home title theft. Where basically they take your home title and no one covers it. The bank doesn't cover it. The lone people don't cover it and then you end up getting stuck with someone else. Running up bills on your house. I mean is pretty amazing that it could even happen it with sign yet. It does exactly. So that's why you need home a lot to basically make sure you're protected that someone can't go online hack in someplace instill your home title so what you do. Is you need to go to hometown. a lot. dot com. Make sure that Register your address. Make sure you're not already victim you own your home in you. Enter the code radio. They're going to get to thirty days of free protection so that's hometown lot dot com. Use the promo code radio guy. I started the jogging craze. He died jogging of heart attack. Yeah and we're. I'm john for getting and shape but it's just you know i'm i'm saying it's just when you put all your eggs in that basket. What are you really doing here. You know what. I'm trying to figure out is okay. A pandemic swept in out of china got loose out of some. I don't know lab so this virus that comes from bats is unleashed on the world and it it starts rolling across the entire planet earth and people begin to that because of it there's a rallying everyone gets together. So they they. They said where my asks states. Six feet from each other spread out. Don't get into large crowds. Went through that era that part of it. They finally get a vaccine for that. They know works. Take this and you won't get it and so that came but everybody's still wearing a mask steal scattered out. I'm thinking when do we turn the corner on this thing and say you know what we got back saying. You can take now and you want that. So when do we say valley turned the corner. The reason is because every time there's every time you turn a corner they put another corner. That's what you're missing. i'm trying to figure out. What do they say. We got control of this thing and we've turned the corner. There's no end to the corner. So it yesterday. Because i went to kentucky and i was going to try to deal with spiritual matters wasn't sure what i was getting into and you know this events are are always different but i'll you had been here a year and a half ago i think you you pre at least services so got me to come clean up. What al now. If we keep going on mail. We're going to keep doing this. Running the the cova de forever. It is running that one. Well when the next one comes if we don't get rid of this one we're going. What do fight both of them at the same time. Because if you wait long enough there will be another pandemic coming in from somewhere. I'm trying to turn the corner on this know. There's nothing that gordon. I'm look here's how i turned the corner so i'm on the plane. Of course you on the on the planes and in the airport is the strictest of rules you know every two to three minutes. There's a voiceover saying federal law. You will be jailed. There's no exceptions. Yeah so all right. Where are your math where everybody's wearing a math. So i get to the location and all well on the way i have. You know you have a you have ideas and you say because i don't have note among one message. Pony is introduced eases. I usually go over the same things my speeches wrapped around people's perception of us. They see us on tv or they see you know that. I have a good looking wife and they're like how did this happen. Which is honest question. I'm not making fun of it. So then i in the speech share that. We believe that. God's in control and i go through your conversion and how the duck call business got started and then how the came about ill size famous line on day. One gods directing this. He told the director ha ha. But we're not. we're not kidding. He really is. And then you know me meeting my wife was. I was looking for somebody to help me get to heaven. And i was trying to stay pure because i was a believer and so i give her a speech saying i'm not gonna do anything you know touch you inappropriately. I'm looking for somebody to help me get to heaven. But that was the line because she was like also. That's who i'm looking for. So that's basically what the speeches. But when i go to churches i feel i can since we do. So many of these podcasts. You know there's a lot of things about religion and we've talked about many times that we don't like and you know from the hypocritical lives or even some theology that seems to be legalistic. Will use that phrase just mean kind of rule oriented and you have all these different religious groups all these different street corners and the perception of the world is. They don't even like each other really. They argue and fuss and fight over madder. So having said all that i had this piffling and i was like i'm gonna i'm gonna do these things and i wrote them down down eight things that and these these things are like things. I thought were really good. And they're technically probably true but that as matured as a follower of jesus it was almost the exact opposite was true. And i'll i'll share them with the these not could be wrong on some of these. These are just ideas that popped into my head. So we're gonna that. I john for this test the spirits to see if they're from a start at just want to say i'm impressed. Used the word piff. Any i mean for jays vocabulary. That's that's an a plus excellent syllable was blind spot older. My kids have gotten the more educated they become and they've actually helped vocabulary. Because when i'm at the dinner table and they're talking. I'm like no women. Would you say boy in the fianna. He's hicfa ni. I said oh let me. I like that word. I'm gonna use so. Because when i was in school in the early days i wasn't paying attention. I was staring outside because some people are not designed to be put in a box with walls only to have my window for eight hours a day. I'm an outdoors person. So i thought i was trapped was like please let me go outside so i wish they offered when we were in preaching school days. We didn't have a window in you. Were just looking at the front and then you learn how to sleep with your eyes open. Yeah i did. Which i thought was job because there was no one though in an office. I said i can't this is. There's a thin line between jail. And here i can't identify with that. I must leave. I must lean. And so i said that i said i'm i'm resigned. And they so why is it. There's no window. They didn't know what i meant. They thought he's lost his. He's off his rocker. But i've often wondered. And i've questioned my my own upbringing. Emma choices out. I spent total probably eight eight to nine years getting educated being educated up. And then i then i'll leave that institution. Had the degrees there there at back to my my mob. Diplomas are somewhere stored away and in the multitude of boxes and crates k. yards mother of gathered up. Could i ask myself the other day. I said you know. I spent seven or eight years obtaining that but then i get out start. Making duck calls fisher river and making duck calls. And i'm thinking hamlet sandwich brains that i need. How many diplomas did i need. And how is that helping me with this hope net. That has a hole in it. So i'm pat on the hoop net. Cats the fish making about two fifty week and the duck call came along. And then hollywood. 'cause and i'm looking at how that worked. I said yeah. I wasted a lot of time. Just black listeners. Some guy indoctrinate me on the curb thing. And i never heard the word. Jesus the entire time eight to nine year. Not one word. So i'll look at it now. I don't want to say it was a waste of a hassle. What good that you were you. You're definitely probably the world's most educated hunter and fisherman adored dot com and fisherman. I would say you're probably at the top of your class. So you got that going for you. Take a quick break at this right. We're never going to get to these things so let me which is what do you look. Yeah so i give speeches yesterday like forty minutes. A piece never brought one of these points up. So i'm like not worth it. So are you doing does add. Livan's terrorism stores. May you. well i. I went through what i did. I introduced jesus. But i basically in a way answer their questions. About how how this happen. What are you doing here because one of the things you know. I i tell a few jokes I mean there's there was some obvious ones you know. The name of their church was like east side. And the because i asked him what. This place was The the town was famous for and they said nothing. So i was like ooh s. Good so i said. I asked what this place was finding four and they said nothing while they all laughed. I said well. Why don't we make this place famous. For jesus which that's how i started and then you know i did. I don't look like a preacher haha. The brother did when he was here. I said but he's the weird brother. And i told about why you're weird. You shave on a regular basis. More than You wear khakis talk funny. And she'll wear the odor. Yeah yeah they they laugh honestly bays almost every day so then i was like then. We had the big brother which is willie. That was obvious on why he's the big. He's he's not older he just beggar. That was funny. I said then we have the wise member you are. The wise member of the family saw was the crazy member so they laugh. I said size. Favourite versus sacred themes five thirteen. Did my wisdom come from the diplomas earned or now other source. The wisdom came from when you decided after. You heard jesus when when the Bill smith shared. Jesus when you decided to you you needed to turn turn this around bowed to the king and you can't. And then i said i gave like four or five wise things. You deal when you came demo. You know moms work and said i. I'm i'm doing this you know and you got got a little teary eyed for the first time and then you move to the other end of civilization all in an effort to i mean. I'm said these were then. You said i gotta duck call that. We're gonna make millions of these. Were wash decisions. But you were basing it on golly principle so i gave you the the wisdom and i gave side the insanity so then somebody turns to set corinthians five thirteen and they read the first half of they have no idea what that versus but it says if we're out of our mind which the translation the girl read the i would it said if we're crazy it's for it's for god or like a easy to read translation news part. They all laugh. You know. I you got to believe something about the man i mean. He's nuts and then ks the can and talk about. I think yesterday. I talked about the principal. She has where everybody she view. You know mom you think about even when we were young even before she was in jesus she always views everybody with like. They're the greatest person in the world like. She wants to befriend miami hemi times when we've been to some swanky thing you know. She's back there with the cook talking about recipes or talking to the janitor about whatever she just has that ability where to make every person in the world feel special days when we leave a when we every time we leave a fancy hotel but many we used to do a lot for the show and stephanie every time without fail the housekeepers and people that service things on the floor of the hotel would come and hug mom as we were leave. That happened at every time we go over and over so it's true. Yeah y'all y'all know this about her. But what i'm trying to do is say because these people don't know us and they see me that thi- more this is going to be some you gonna tell us she. She brought the woman from the What do you call them. The the big fancy hotels they claimed seabrook one of men monday and she said she called me. She called her name and said she. Also here's some oh jesus. She has been in the country long and she's got this job in new york at his hotel so i share the gospel with her and listen. She came to jesus the clean woman. That ms case she said. I told you. I knew she was searching for god so i'll preach a gospel to share it with a you know we cried and a whole episode about her daily life with that one principle but my point is i get it all where introduced jesus inside. That's what that's what made this function. And even though you enjoyed the show wasn't us it was that spirit god's spirit in us that attractive and so then i'm like he can use us despite our falls he can use you that that's basically that's that's it and so and just to illustrate that point even more they would there were a few people always look for these godly encounters. They they had a guy they brought in with down syndrome. I first guy. Matt he's like i'm your number one fan. You know what you know. We just i had these moments where my these. These guys are why i'm here. Because they have every reason in the world to quit. But they're the most positive of the lot and the barreda and another is a nine year old boy. I wasn't sure what is he didn't look like there was anything wrong physically with him but when he came and met me and all his family was there and i think i think they've been a tragedy in their family as like loss of life. I'm not positive. I just sense that the way it was gone but as soon as he saw me just busta crying and i knew i was crying. He wasn't crying because oh he likes our show and he thinks i'm cool and that spirit that i have that god given that god gave me the holy spirit that that's the drawl and so you explain that to come over here you know and i didn't ask him. He's nine years old to get the details and it was a lot of people in the room. But i had. I had these Pitchers of metal detecting gave me. Were y'all can like an autograph. Whatever and i was like look. This is going to seem weird. Because i'm giving you a picture of myself which is really weird but you'll think it's cool. I said here's what i want to give you. And i just i did the arrow coming down and he can you know in the crawl and i just went through the gospel with him. I was like no matter what you've been through what this person did that. That's what you're drawn to that. That's what we live by. You know so. These moments to me are wind there. That's why didn't get into these things. Because i'm just so tempted when i go to a religious establishments because you it is. I'll because you work. You worked for in the church environment for years. I'm so tempted to get into these things. Because i'm like you have. We missed this. So let me give you a few. We'll run through them. Quick and you you tell me whether i'm crazy or whether i'm on some hand let's take a break all right number one. My life turned for the better when i stopped pursuing. Jesus now must stop there because what. That's what we're supposed to be doing is pursuing. Jesus so remember. What i said the rules are they sound great and are true. But there's a greater truth in here somali. Turn for the better. When i stopped pursuing jesus and realized he is pursuing me. So what why. Would i put that down there. Well you probably finally realized the power of the grace of god. And i read luke fifteen numerous times and i realized in john twelve when he said by my death. I will draw all men to me. Meaning his helmet accepting may despite. My flaws is a greater motivation. Then me view. And jesus like i'm driving down the road and someone tells me about jesus saw stop and pick him up as like an insurance card it to me. It's like the principal. I was going after here. It's like heaven insurance. You have the card you put it in your glovebox. Why in case something happens you whip it out and the difference in this philosophy is more like. I'm the one doing the hitchhiking. Jesus count by. And i'm like i'm going with you. You're in control your driving. You know so. Basically you're walking along stumbling around and he close up and he says A no you're on a road right here and there's two kind the broad one are there when follow me and you get it. Yeah i remember. I said these. These are ideas. This is so work with me. Yeah a work make us both are true but al wanted to get your rebuttal now. I like it a lot in. I hadn't thought about it in quite that term but a lot of people a lot of people in our audience. So they're listening today and this is gonna strike them because some of you have seen your emails there. They think they're pursuing jealous. But they're actually pursuing things about jesus or not jesus because they'll say you know. Try to study my bible more. Try to primorye tried to in. They're frustrated because they feel like they're in this pursuit of something. They can't quite grasp but to your point if you just let jesus do what he does. The other part comes much more naturally whether the uk because that's not presumed jesus that's pursuing a lot of other stuff. Yeah okay good. I'm glad we're we go somewhere here now. Look i have enough firepower in verses an ammo and each one of these we could do a whole episode on it. But i just want to introduce it and see which felt i number two my life term for the better i phrased all like this when i stop viewing heaven as the goal. Let's stop a minute. Because everybody's low what i thought i know and realize being with jesus in heaven is the ultimate goal. Do you see the difference. Yup and they had the yunessi every every one of these principles have the same thing in mind. It is more humbling in the latter. It's like oh because i. I know the verses that say will receive our reward and will. But if you're just doing this and you're saying give me my reward. I mean we've missed something here. Why did he send jeeze if this was all reward-based own okay you do everything right. And i'll give you a reward or you're introduced to jesus which is the plan of god you realize that he's pursuing you. You surrender which will get to here in a minute. Then you realize 'oh as we walked together. It's way more valuable and important to me to be with jesus wherever we are then me thinking. Oh gimmie heaven. I did what i was supposed today. Plus jesus himself said. I came to seek which is your point and save the lost. Yes by the way party. The wisest man who ever lived said this only have found. God made mankind up right You say wait a minute here. God made them upright. We came out of our mother's wombs. I'll we were good good. No seeing right demirel little children. But god made mankind upright jays to your point but men have gone and search and search of many schemes. Yeah well. I thought of efficiency to go along with this. Look the only way you can make. This is where. I had that idea agency famous chapter in the bible. We all used to be under the kingdom of the air. You know the evil one. I'm gonna walk right by the field full of of go treasure. They will bear walk right by. Laura never saw it all. We were all under the kingdom of the air and we had the craving the sample man. But because god's grace he say does not because of what we've done but because what he did by grace you've been say but there's verse inbetween there that says in. He seated us with him in the heavenly realms. Now that's where i got. That idea might according to this. Because of jesus accepting me i'm in heaven i just haven't realized it physically but spiritually been crucified. Christ i no longer live. Christ lives in christ lives in me where he's at the right hand god and guess. Who else is there we are so we do this by faith. I mean it makes more sense when you look at the latter than the former when you read that from this perspective. I know we're running at times ltd these next few. I'll go through. Because i've talked about him a four and hang on j.'s. Hang on line. let's take one break. I want to mention to your the former point just to think about that. Not only do people look at heaven and not in the right comparison to being with jesus but a lot of people having just. I don't want to go to hell which has very little to do with. Jesus so i think any of that. If you're jesus focus you you're where you need to look. I think this is a maturity thing. Because i do think you know it got my attention. When i was fourteen i was like oh jesus is also and i don't wanna go to hell because when you're immature and the faith that that is appealing as you continue to move on you realize. Oh this is all about jesus and his grace and being motivated by that. But if i it scared you know not wanting to go to hell perfectly legitimate reason if you believe israel which which we do well data. I think you could. You could safely say that for the few years on earth that we've been here that we did it without jesus that was hell. Yeah it was all right number three number three my life term for the better when i stop keeping the rules. We've talked about this. And you know what i mean the rule do this do that. Don't do this do that. Stopped trying to keep the rules and started an and realized. I needed to have the attitude. That jesus i get that from. I peter for one that says he who suffered in his body is done with saying because it says have the same attitude of jesus and so we've talked about that before but it's more motivation where you're doing the right things. But you're not doing it because the rule said it because at some point you're not going to keep the ruling and i think we've done other podcasts on that any quick thoughts on that list and we have spent spent quite a bit of time talking to you can read that if you're a first-time number four my life term for the better when i stop focusing on how we are to worship rather than who also talked about that before every different religious group has a different way about how we're going to do this and if you powell up all the arguments in the religious world on that why don't we focus on who. That's what this baiocco jays. They call him. The worship. wars is what i've always heard about. How which the net crazy something to war about worship okay number five my live term for the better when i surrendered to jesus outside the building the church building. And y'all know where i'm going with. That i mean it's the same concept of we keep our our following jesus inside the building versus outside fault i would just say hebrews. He was thirteen. Jesus suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood because that whole thing was written about people inside israel but then he made the point. Kind of like what talking about what we do a modern times. We make the church bill in the temple and he said jesus went outside there. I you know what i have written down onto that hebrew start but it's ironic so the so the bottom line is. We walked out the door. As i tell him from time to time. I said just remember this when you walk out the door of this building in about twenty minutes. I said we've been here a couple hours. I said you walk out and you get in your rig and your drive away. I said worship did not stop when you walked out these doors. It just continues exactly. I said you open the door and you walk out. And how's it going to be at your workplace tomorrow. I like this one right here When this priest jesus had offered for all time one sacrifice for scenes he sat down at the right hand of god and another attack somewhere says he seated us with him and the heavily rams since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool because by one sacrifice he has made perfect far aber. those are being made. holy As you like you said you started out you wanna go to jail but that tax gives a little more insight if you know because of your position you've been made perfect cell. That's pretty close to have an owner even with its struggles. From time to time. I agree a hundred percent all right. Let me do six run out my life term for the better and this goes in with the last one when i stopped looking for people to share jesus with. I'm gonna paul's because you're like well. I thought that's what we were supposed to do. And realize the lord sends them every day way more than trying to drum up. I don't have to go look. You know who the greatest conversation about. Jesus that i had on this kentucky trip were the people who were driving me around. We got in their life their former life their kids there we laugh. We cried all of us. I mean it was a jesus experience. We bear hugged them at the end and came back. I mean that's or you got to the ever got to the event. I mean this is it here we are. We're having jesus conversations and if you'll think that's why jesus made that point now. This is an obscure. Point that i don't think we've ever made. But jesus used a phrase often in the new testament. He said he hits a he who has ears. Let him here. Why would he say that because baiser you have the ability to listen. These are the targets people with ears. Why else would he say that. I mean i think he just got drastically simple and realized that if you're around people who can listen. I'm sending them here you go. Don't drop the ball and make me send him to somewhere else because there's a lot of people who put their hands over their years when they don't wanna hear what's being said and rush at you to heal you stephen in acts seven. Yeah i did a whole lesson about nine years. And i mean i could have done better. Fahd have been a little more mature verse. Seven my life term for the better when i quit trying now. This one's obvious and everybody will agree trying to do it myself. And i'll stop there because there is a lot in the bobble about accountability and responsibility and providing a lot of times we appreciate that but ultimately it is about the next part of it and realize i surrendered to jesus you know and obviously the first place i wanted to go here. Was you know baptism. Because that's the only thing i can think of that. It represents you're not doing anything. You're not earning anything you're basically surrendering and if you read rahman six you're you're dying and you're being buried and he's replacing your the you know your spirit as the navigation instrument with his. I just don't know where there's room for you to have any control from that point moving forward. I mean you're basically gonna spend the rest of your life trying to calm him work in your life through the minor decisions you make and i. I know y'all grew and the last one is malarov a turn for the better when i began to focus on the journey and the process not necessarily the destination and the result which that's kind of like the heaven one but the reason. I got that idea. Is i was reading in john. Chapter seven when jesus. It's a john. Seven doesn't stick out when we studied. John is like having anything major in it. But there's a there's a couple things in there where he says you know. My time hasn't come yet and his brothers came to them and they're like you need to go public. No nobody wants to be a public figure accents secret which they didn't even believe any believe he was giving him turn her vice. But that thought popped into my head about. Can you imagine. Jesus being a bean. Who's not bound by time. He's an eternal bean. He becomes a man and now all of a sudden he has to wait. He has to go through a process. That's gonna save us. And i know that if jesus who is our lowered did that then there's that trickles down to us. There's a process that goes along with god's time that we have to realize that we have to work in which it develops you know perseverance and character and obviously produces hope so final thoughts on. Oh we're out of time. I like i like your thinking. Jeeze up i think maybe on a future podcast will break those down a little further because there's a lot. There was a lot of meat still on the bone. We didn't get well. I'll summit with this. I think i offended some people in kentucky. Because i said look if you're over forty. I'm not talking to you because you quit listening a long time ago. And i said i can say that because i'm not a preacher and well i said it to try to get him to do the opposite because lean make up our minds about these principles and here. I took eight things that everybody would agree with on the first part of and then thought oh wait a minute and mop hope point is be open minded so you next time. Thanks for listening to the unashamed. Podcast help us out by rating us on atoms. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on youtube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes and for even more content. That you won't get anywhere else. Subscribe to blaze. Tv at blaze tv dot com slash unashamed.

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The Atheist Experience 25.11 03-14-2021 with Jim Barrows and Dave Warnock

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The Atheist Experience 25.11 03-14-2021 with Jim Barrows and Dave Warnock

"Aw think the defy Everybody welcome experience. Sunday march fourteenth. Two thousand twenty one. I'm your host. Jim burroughs joining me. This week is day. Warnock how you doing. Hey gem i'm good good to see man. Yeah so what's new with you. These days i got my vaccine. So awesome ready to get out and about That doesn't mean. I'm going to go crazy. Still we still wear masks and stuff. But we're open to travelling a little bit. Actually gonna take a vacation to costa rica next week so excited to get out and do some things since the world stopped about a year ago this week. It seems it does seem to be almost a year ago Pied it Yeah so For those who don't know who you are one senators yourself to everyone. Yeah i've done the show few times mostly goodwill father who am but their new ones. That may not dave warnock dying out. Loud is the organization that We actually started about two two years ago. I got diagnosed with a little more than two years ago. We had an actual fuck. Al s. two year anniversary party On the anniversary date the twenty sixth to february matt was actually able to drop any did a little magic for us. It was a nice night but shortly. After that i started doing the dying out loud thing i've been doing for a couple of years. It's funny someone on a recent show. I think it was talki- than in the comment said it hasn't david been dying out loud for like ten years now. Is he spicy still alive. But yeah i'm still alive and doing better than i thought i would. When i got diagnosed. I thought i may only have a couple of years to live but anyway dying out loud thing became a thing that took off and we began to travel around the country and do shows like this and speak at secular events and all of that got stopped with cova a year ago. So we were. We were actually to be a lot of places speaking even in europe so It's been a. It's been a neat. Twist to the cards. I was dealt to be able to connect with so many people all over the world and talk about things that mattered to me like life and death and what happens after death. nothing And things of that nature. Because i used to be an evangelical christian for thirty seven years and then have been atheists for about ten years. So there's a big change there and you look at things differently when you terminal illness. For instance you look at that differently as an atheist than you would as a christian so That's a lot of what i talk about in the dying out loud thing okay and you've got some some merchandise to include some interesting pieces of merchandise. Yeah you know when you think of merch You think of t shirts and coffee mugs and things but this this website that that operates it for us threatless. They have everything and so we've been talking about. You know you can get you there. It is the links. Tom my staff. you can get a I think the link we have an added. There's tiktok i've been talking lately. That's kinda crazy but You can get a shower curtain with this exact image on it and someone actually bought one of those recently. I just got a picture today of this. This new fought. Yeah there we go so for a minimum fee. You can shower with dave every day. Who wouldn't wanna do that right exactly. Yeah that's that's that's just too much of me. I'll tell you yeah it seems like it But that's good so Any anything coming up soon. You know what. There's no meetings happening. And and i'm just i'm happy to these shows like this. I'm working really hard on my book. I'm writing a memoir of mine life story and it's it's creative nonfiction essentially because i'm taking a lot of license with so i am really working hard at that. Have been writing every day now for monson a hope to have that out should be finished with the original draft of it probably by the end of may first june and then after editing. And all that it'll be it'll be out and ready for consumption later this year. So everybody gets you one of those. 'cause you're gonna you're gonna i think it's i think it's it's coming along really well. I'm happy with with hats coming out awesome. Good stuff all right what we are the atheist community boston. 'jay five one. C three nonprofit organization dedicated to promoting separation a religion in government and positive atheists culture. We have merch too. You can go to billy slash an merchant. Get t shirts cities and other cool stuff. I don't know if we have shower curtains or not You become a member for this channel for little dollar a month which will give you access tycoons and other stuff. If you're watching us live you can donate below the chat. Google and youtube no longer take a cut from that. 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Call ready to take some calls death. All righty so first call is from thea. St- i'm actually click the link there we go. Hey joseph from nevada you wanted to talk about evolution and classic definitions of species. yes Well thank you for taking my call. I actually don't do a lot of calling into atheist shows But i have called the pass. I spoke one time in my life to that slit. Or sorry matt matt dillon and It was really great. Yeah i'm i'm honored to call again and talk with you guys Now i understand It's my if i question If you can answer it that's fine because it's more about biology genetic question and it's completely fine if you if you can answer like i don't know that's fine. I just wanna say to to be caller or sorry the other guests that you have on I appreciate that you were christian in the passing. You've changed now with live with the political climate as it is right now. It's actually reinforced my christianity. Because i see now. There's a correlation with atheism. And i think the liberalism or or democrats. It's kind of weird The political climate in in america reinforce my beliefs. I'm sorry onto onto my question on on evolution If you will give me just forty five seconds to lay this out and then you can give me a response And this is really important. Because i've done a lot of research on this topic. And the i understand this argument and usually when i lay this out I get an hominids. I don't get a A good response. Usually people beg the question or they don't you know. Give me a scientific response right so the question. I research that i've done. Okay sorry this is the the research that i've done when we look at human evolution. The theory is that eight km api volved into man. We're hominids we came from apes and we both in command and We look at. Uc's the classical definition of a species is basically If they're related they have similar characteristics and they can enter breed and that makes a That makes a species that is related so we can look at that in nature. We can see a dog wolf subspecies a look. has the same ristic's and they can interbred with dogs Some species that arts the same species book and agreed with ba zebra and Now they're their offspring won't be fertile but when we look at eight we have similar characteristics. But we can't enter breed. And so i've done a little research into this. And why is that if we have Ninety eight percent genetics. Similarities looked at first chromosome argument But that doesn't work because the chromosome argument basically we have animals and things in life that have the same chromosome. This human we have forty. Six chromosomes chromosomes usually are used them. Paternity tests right we. We have a parent but that in amman and we can use our chromosomes to land that up to see if the child is his hours are not so the chromosome has gone The dna argument They said it's ninety. Eight percent close as i looked at other animals like a pig which is actually closer genetically and we can take pig organs like the heart We can do that in transplantations in hospitals so we can take oregon from pigs which are very close to human. If we're looking at their eyes and their organs and their skin they're basically like human very close So i looked further. And i looked at what is the oldest human race on the planet. Well it turns out It's a race called the aboriginals. If you know the history of the aboriginals they were actually persecuted and they were thought to be Though the missing link from to man they actually looked like caveman. And they're around today live in australia. And i looked at the fossils the early the first falsely bet. We've were ever found. They were found above on surface level. So i thought well wait a minute. They found on the ground. Above that lurk fossilized and we have aboriginal people. And we have a disease called admiral. Miguel which actually makes. Yeah i i. I've heard enough i can. I can pretty much stop you there. one i would suggest looking at i. I can stop you right there. 'cause i internal right now that you have not done any research on Any type of Reading actual papers or actually looking at anything. But may i mean i would imagine you probably looked at aig and other sources that agree with you. because a lot of what you say is all over the place. It doesn't make any coherent sentence. You can go to some place like oh shoot. I thought i had the right website up here but i don't. There's website that will show you the lice family tree and i'm trying to pull up. Your site can actually get it yet. Yvo Is on here and they have the tree of life and the whole diagram and you could actually look at it and look at how they classify life what the tree of life looks like. It's not complete by any stretch of the imagination because it doesn't cover everything but it does cover enough In so do more research I know like on on youtube Crash courses got some good stuff on biology and some other things. I just don't think you've done enough research to actually Disprove anything coming close to Coming close to a district pollution Or to actually answer your questions. And i certainly don't have enough biology background to go into those details. But i do have to know that you you have not read. You're not well enough. Read yet actually answer your questions and and were were you'd actually Go into biology and actually take a cohesive. course you. you'd actually answer your questions. Did you want to add anything of that. Well i i. I'm a obviously. I'm certainly not a biologist or don't have extensive knowledge on these things but i'm guessing joseph if you're trying to disprove or discredit evolution. Then you are going to say that you believe that we came from adam and eve zek correct. Yeah much all the pump. Hello okay yes Well i don't know. I i look at what i do know what i can see. I can see genetic atrophy meaning humanity is going downward we're not going upward as in what do you mean by downward not upward. Can you to find that for me. What do you mean by downward not upward. Give you. I can give you an example if you look at The second long-term dynamics now people say we're in no no no now the second thermodynamics and that has nothing to do with learning up out. The problem is i've heard this argument. Before and i really don't want to hear another complete and total misunderstanding of the thermo second thermodynamics. So when you say going up or down what do you mean in terms of evolution. Okay so You a copy of a copy of a copy. Your parents are passing their genetics. To you know. We're not no copies. We're not copy. Said is entirely hundred percent incorrect. We are not copies. I'm a combination of my biological parents. Genetics i'm not a copy of them. What's adding to your genetics mutations and viruses adding diversity. What is adding diversity to your genetic power. We increase mutations and viruses. And don't ask you this to the viruses entire pardon. You don't add to your genetics. Yes they do they add new now. So let me give you an of what i'm talking about. Now if taken cocky out exactly word for word all the works of shakespeare and i only start making small changes one and say a five hundred copies. How many changes do i have to make. Before i get a new a completely different work of shakespeare. well now. you're now you're going to be. I'm talking about in nature of you know. No no. No i'm talking. About how many changes does it take before you decide. You have something new. And i'm using the works of shakespeare as an example as a metaphor for that. So as i continue to copy works of shakespeare and i making one change per se. Five hundred copies. How many how many changes before you say completely new workers shakespeare. Okay can i ask you a question. Are you taking away from the work of. Are you adding something to it. Are you just rearranging the letters. Yes all of the above. In some cases under simply rearranging letters some cases. I'm adding words. Some cases dropping works added nothing or no no so i'm actually adding words on occasion. Yes i just had that. Where where addition coming. Some adamant mistaken copying. That's all it is to add up to that if you can actually duplicate if i take a word and duplicate it. I've added it if i had to go bullies different word. I've still added words right. Well let's let's just say for a hypothetical reasons that shakespeare book only has four words. I am the lord bright and we can rearrange those words. How ever many times we want. We would have to take away some for them to make new words. But we wouldn't have to. I could simply put simply transcribe in there. Not i am not the lord and now i have a whole new sentence donor right but but for the other words we would have to take away from that to make sense and would have like receptive beginning of the word exactly. That is exactly what happens when that is exactly what happens in india nat bright. We get copies of dna that that are getting nord. We gave additions to dna. Sometimes it comes from mutations just changes the we get a new set of wheels and trump zones and sometimes they get injected from viruses and viruses is not the right word. I know somebody who's much better at this file than i am. Screaming her head off me right now. I apologize for that but that is exactly where this new stuff comes in. And this is why. I say you haven't read enough to even begin to talk about this. I mean there. There i am and this is where i come in where i'm saying like you're begging the question you've just saying is i can give you examples in nature where for example to wa wa. We can breathe big dogs down scituate seeing. Here's the problem. I can i can. I can actually go in so you could actually go out and do this research yourself as i don't know where to off the top of my head but you can go in and look at viruses inject dna into our dna and you can go in and look at how dna gets mutated and all the ways that it gets mutated to realize how that stuff happens so you can go into all of the dog rating and all the rest of it and okay fine. But i'm actually talking about looking at how the dna itself gets cheched at the dna level. Yeah so that's where i'm gonna lemme lemme interject joe's joseph Rather i mean we could probably spend the whole show arguing and i don't know enough about it to are basically to help in that regard at all but but let's say you were able to disprove evolution. Where does that leave us. So what is what. I'm going to say to you. What does that leave us. In terms of power god how can can let me finish. Where does that leave. Let's say you disprove evolution. Where does that leave us in terms of how a god of any kind interacts with humanity. Today you don't even necessarily have to say that If you're not a christian you could say. Some people believe that we were seated. You know perhaps another life. That's more advanced than a seated the earth that would be more practical than to say that we came from nothing. And we evolved. It's i you're missing my question. I don't care how we got here. Let me just jump ahead it. I'm not arguing with you. How we got here. Whether we came from another planet or eighths or adam and eve. What does that have to do with where we are. Now let's talk about now. How does a god anywhere. What is god anywhere doing for any of us. You said you said that the way things are changing it makes you. It makes you more certain of your faith in that. You're more convinced that you want to be a christian that you are a christian So so why. We're as god in all of this right Well that is a difficult question and it does inquire on personal experience for that. Because no no no no because everybody's personal experiences you can't you can't you're going down. You're going down the road of personal experience because then you say well. I've experienced god. Well so did the guys who drove planes into into the towers at nine eleven they experienced. They're god but you. If you're a christian you would say that. Their god is not accurate in yours is. You can't just use anecdotes for evidence. That didn't work that way. I agree with you sir. But i ain't okay opinion. The truth is the most important. And wherever the exactly whether it's contradicting if you're evidence is contradicting then. The truth is what matters to me. And you guys are giving me Antidoto or if you giving me a big if you're begging the question and telling me i'm wrong but you're not giving any evidence or things that can look so tim. Tim did that early on yes. He did that right out of the gate. I'm i'm approaching a different way. You engender argue volition all day long. I'm saying to you joseph. What does it matter. Where is god. Now show me evidence. If you want truth what show me true evidence that there's a god actively involved in the world today. You're not listening you're talking. The earth is flat. What does it matter. If if it's not slack. I i asked you last. I'm asking you to show me evidence of god actively involved in the lives of yemen's today not your personal experience not something that you feel like experienced god. I called him to talk about evolution. The disturbing and so again that we did that for a long time and research. But i'm giving you the research right now. I've looked at so. I'm an i'm telling you to go. Look at connor research in happened. I told you to go look at connor research and to go look at real research and to go look at him has his research. Ken ham has enters genesis research. Plus you just accept that is true. That isn't remind him can is not good research at all and earn a number. really good. youtube is out there vice right now and Who does early good job of showing you the real science and again. I've told you go look specifically for pretty particular types of research and i've apologized for not having that at the top of my mind and at the top of my head. This is not my area of expertise. So if you want to look at how information gets added to dna. You're going to go look at dna mutations and how they mutate you're gonna go look at how viruses directly inject genes into dna. Those are two sources of research. You can go look at and find out for yourself. I apologize for not being expert enough to actually go into it and get my final thought. Go ahead okay. My final thought is He basically you're you're refute of my research is to tell me to go research into look into what i don't know and what i be correct in saying that if you don't know about god you have to go research and look at the bible and then you would understand what i is. That is how find for thirty seven yards joseph. I did as well. And i'm on of show right now hoping that somebody will give us proof of god and you had sailed sir completely utterly failed. I never paul about evolution. Yeah and like. I said i'm on the show asking people to give me proof of god. We talked about evolution. That's nice but yeah. I'm on my show once a month. Matt delahunt his on here almost every week. You know there are a number of us who look forward and haven't found it so and you should research this and find it in the bible. I've read the bible upside down inside out cover to cover preached and taught it thirty seven years right. I'm here telling you. I don't see evidence got and the bible would understand what a- that's basically what you're telling me do you telling me to go research and then i would understand. I'm telling you if you don't understand god's you need to go research and you need to go you need to go talk to theologians and then you would understand we all okay. That's at the host. I'll do that good idea all right. Thank you very much. I hope you have a wonderful day and you could buy all right. Yeah so We're telling you to go look at research because you haven't done enough. There's more evidence for evolution and there is for gravity man. yeah it is. It is quite fun all right. Let's go to make sure. I'm clicking the link here alejandro in california. Are you doing today. how are you doing today. i'm doing well. Thank you for asking good. Can you hear me economy. Dichotomy of exists versus doesn't exists. I have no idea what this means. So what do you mean. Is this a science show today. No no it's a simple soft X. okay which is the question does is there a third state or are we limited to exists versus does not exist point. Yeah okay go ahead eilon theory here go ahead and present your theory. Well if there's only two options then you can't say. I don't know you can't say i lack belief because every time you advance god does not exist. You are so okay. So you're a one and from the other without taking. Here's here's here's the problem that you have so for any statement that has a truth value. I crossed the road. I'm sitting in a chair right. There are there are two possible values for that either. It's true or false either. I'm sitting in a chair. Or i'm not however i can have three positions and there's a fourth one that is just a me as because i think it's funny but there are three positions in philosophy. You can have you accept the split claim that i'm sitting on a chair as true can reject that and accept the false. And you can say i don't know and the fourth one that i think is funny as i don't care but those positions i don't know accept his true and except as false are the three positions. You can have on a single transplant. So you are correct. God you that there exists or he doesn't exist. But i can take and both claims have to be proven right and i can say i don't know to both clients. Well that's the problem. Alejandro alejandro did you say earlier that we can't we can't say know you saying that. That's not an option that doesn't that doesn't correspond to any realizable position black or white thing purple. It's not all. I'm saying. I don't know if it's black or white then you're stating a belief. No nothing to do with hard ella handled you know. Do you know what an agnostic is in terms of fake unrealizable position. I've i'm going over. That agnostic is not a possible tradition. It's impossible you this is well. This is well except the philosophy. In fact i'm always well accepted in philosophy. It's part of the basis of our own legal system right because the legal system doesn't prove guilt or innocence. The legal system only proves guilt. And if someone is proven in the phraseology is that we use is also very specific as in not guilty does not mean. They're innocent right. It just means we don't have enough evidence to convict them of being guilty. And so we're taking the. I don't note position to the truth to the innocent position to the innocent client. That's how jar work on roof if you were if you ask if you. I'm not trying to if you asked me. Is there a god. I'm perfectly fine. In saying i don't know because i don't know and you don't either now. I am also finding saying. I'm an atheist agnostic wall. So you're saying you just said it's impossible to know the truth that's what you just play adding more in his mouth. Don't tell me what i said. I know what i fucking said alejandro up. Because i know what i said and i'll say it again if you ask me. I'm going a little mad on him here because out here. But jesus christ you asked me if they're a god i'm saying to you i don't know and i'm saying to you you don't either. I'm not saying we can't know in fact my position is i'm an agnostic atheist. Which means listen a minute. Listen a minute. I said i'm an agnostic atheist. You're not listening. I'm agnostic gate. This which means. I don't know but i'm open to evidence. If you show me evidence for god i can be convinced of that but so far. I haven't seen the at so that makes me an obvious atheist. But i'm also an agnostic because i'm saying i don't know now what's wrong with that. I don't know in say that she didn't say no either because you don't you don't have evidence of if you do know there's a god. This is the place to bring the evidence okay. So we're clear. You don't know if i have evidence or not you just just just assum- assuming you don't because if you did think you would want to present it to the world because the world has been waiting this show has been on for fifteen years waiting for evidence of that but yeah i'm going to go one step at a time. All right and i step okay. You're gonna you're gonna slow it down for us thank you. That's right and we're going back to the idea of whether there's a there's eight now in reality no no no no no no no no no. No third state is incorrect. Its position on a claim not the claim itself. The claims are true or false. The positions can be i accept. The claim is true. I try to claim is false. Or i don't know if the claim is true and i don't know if the claim is false or the i don't know or skeptical possession right. You're confusing the position. You can take on a claim and the climate sauce right. Well said jim be a hospital reality. Because i know those are those are your positions. Those are your belief. That's the equivalent. Say you can go The as possible answers are black and white. It's not it's not my belief. It's my lack of belief. Okay your lack of belief can't be a real position. There's no it's not now you say i don't know but i doesn't care if you know or not it either is or isn't that is absolutely correct. We're arguing with what is so. Let let me let me let me do this for you. Let's try another example. There is a is there or is there not a teapot floating in between the orbits of earth and mars russell's teapot and now i really don't think we need to go in examples because that's just there several eiser so either there is a teapot and orbit between the orbits of earth and mars or there is is that true or is that correct. Is it not true. Now let me. What is your position on that. There's not obviously improve. Yeah how do you know. There's not why would you take a position if you don't have knowledgeable what that is. Oh it's very simple. There's been no manda for to put a put a teapot in the martian orbit and t- pasta magically come into being so the bulk of the evidence is there is no russell cpap and that's what my position on god is but at the end of that i don i would have to say lee know for sure that there's not and i i would actually say that. How did you eliminate astronauts with a sense of humor tossing. Teapot off the moon without telling anybody we see. This is a conversation where you're going to start to argue. What is so this morning. I just pointing out that. A personal incredulity is not is basically. What you stated. Because you said. I can't think of any other way to do it. The the only position you should take. I don't know but it seems unlikely. It seems astronomically. Unlikely and sciences befall the probability. Not what is possible. You see you're gonna try is that why is that. Not okay to do with the god. Then she can do it with a teapot like. Oh no i can do that with the guy but i said okay. Step at a time. Okay and the step. Is that if you say if i say god exists for whatever reason and you have no argument to the contrary he got nothing so it's a we have lots of arguments contrary. Let's there's only fit between fifty one hundred arguments for god that i've ever been proposed as far as i'm aware all of them have been defeated l. of them have problems even get you to god. I'm sorry what was that last point. I didn't hear you and some of them. Don't even get you to god. I are well so we can agree. That there's only two possible realities. God exists god does not exist when corrupt and there are three positions. I can take all in one of those. Physicians is not posse doesn't correspondent anything real no doesn't have enough evidence to know what israel that's the i don't know position. Is that have not presented enough evidence for me to know what israel So now e so you believe. I understand you correctly that because you don't know that That's third position. That's that's like a belief like i said. Jesus ask you this one hundred. Let me ask you this. Alessandro can you tell me the difference between these two statements. I believe there's no god or in the second statement is i don't believe there's a god. Do you recognize the difference between those. Two statements. one is a lot ladders and arguments from ignorance. It's an argument for lack of information. Jesus christ dude. You're the idea. Is that an atheist is saying. i believe. there's no god is false. That's not a statement of belief. Atheism is not a statement of belief. It's a response to a statement of belief. That's called an argument ignorance. You're saying i'm writing. No no no no. It is not an argument on arguments from ignorance almost always uses some version of. I can't imagine any other way. Or i don't know how it could be any other wet and we're not making either of those statements now right. I'm literally saying that. You have not given enough evidence to accept either clam as trip and therefore i don't know what reality what the reality of the situation is so. Let's be specific i'll hundred. What is your claim for god. What is your claim was my plane. Forgot yeah Let's see. I'm not very we're we're moving forward now. Probably is that no. We're we're we're not gonna vote messing so you're missing such a fundamental point of in philosophy that it is really really hard for move off of this and so because you don't understand that a claim has to have evidence that has to be proven true or false. You need evidence for either. If you don't have evidence you don't get to claim either want. Oh whoa whoa. Whoa you just argued that you get to be right by default you get to our food. No no the position is neither right nor wrong. It is a complete thank you. Yeah yeah this is really really as simple stuff. I think you're working really hard not to understand it. But i don't know i don't know what your why you don't understand that if you want to accept a claim is true. You need evidence if you're going to accept the claim is false. You're going to need guidance. If you don't have evidence for either the position to take as. I don't know until such time as the claim is proven okay. So do you have proof that god does not exist. I don't make the claim that's the one who makes the claim has to bring the proof. We are not say it again. We are not claiming. There's no god we're not saying. I believe there's no god we're saying i don't see evidence for god therefore i don't believe in one big difference understand the difference not hard if there's if there's only two possibilities so hold on let's back up let let let's back up. Alejandro backed up. When i when i say that there are in fact two possibilities three positions. What is the difference between the two. What do you understand when. I say that that there aren't agreeing with you that there are only two possibilities and three positions zero now. The thing is as soon as you dispute. Mike claim all right. Now let me give you a basic example we can go with. Marbles are pregnancy. we'll go pregnancy all right. if a woman says i'm pregnant. And you say i don't believe you you are automatically saying she's not only know what the hell it's not this hard would also need woman says to me. I'm pregnant going to say to her. Okay i'm sure you'll have evidence of that if not right now than several months. What's hard about that. You are still saying. I don't know why would i say let's try it this way. One hundred. Let's try it this way on any stay any steam. That has the truth value. There is a claim that the that the statement is true under the claim that the statement is false. Both those claims have to be proven if both of them wack sufficient evidence to warrant belief you have to say i don't know No you know. First of all your savalainen let me. Let me throw this back. If a woman said to me. I'm pregnant and if you don't believe me you're gonna go to hell that puts it in a different category because her being pregnant and unless she's claiming on the father really doesn't have much to do with me servile. Don't give a shit whether she's pregnant or not and we're gonna find out soon enough so i don't need to take a position on that like you play do like i'm going to say i don't believe you. Why the hell would i say that to a woman that toby she's pregnant bullshit listened quit talking. I'm talking oh now stop talking. Stop talking i'm talking. So if she's making a claim that inserts itself into my life in some way then yeah. I have to take a position on it so you really used a pretty poor analogy to be honest with you. I don't care if she's pregnant or not and the evidence will show itself soon enough some not going to say to her. I don't believe you're pregnant. But if she says you have to believe. I'm pregnant or i'm going to shoot you or you're going go to hell. Then i've got to take a position pretty quick. And that's what. Christianity does evangelical christianity says. You have to believe in this version of god or you're going to suffer some penalty for not believing and because of that. I'm forced to take a position. I'm saying i don't see the evidence for that so until you show me evidence i'm going to say i don't think you're true. I don't think that's correct. What is wrong with that. why do you have. I have a problem with that. Well i was ashtray. And second of all pascal's wager. Pretty much establishes that under mentally wagers garbage pascal's wager lot. Yeah past first of all pass cows wiggins garbage second. I don't see how you even got there anyway. Andrea we've we've dealt with us enough on any particular claim the clan could be true malls. You can have up to three percents three positions you can take that simply the way philosophy works. That's the way making this way harder than it needs to be and that's just reality. I'm sorry except that. Thank you very much have a nice day. I we'll see a man One that he just wanted to argue he that you hit the nail on the head. He wanted to make it harder than it was. Yeah man right. Yeah he and he was getting there okay and this is part in florida. Who oh we may actually get an answer. The question all right present. Your evidence pa. Oh boy might that you onstream. But it's on mute. No worry Not on the first of all Quick comment Dave said that he was an evangelical christian on the show. Is that correct used to be. So i i Identify with. When i was young i was in a church was a baptist church. They didn't teach me about the holy spirit. I grew up not understanding what that was except some vague notion of trinity which nobody could explain More or less That church was destroyed. The pastor cheated on his wife on missionary trip. It was a very terrible situation. And i kind of has a christian was very disappointed and all that kind of turned me away from christians in general knowing that the man that i looked up to was guilty of this terrible cetera so fast i'm fifty three years old. I go on a missionary trip to haiti. I witnessed First person someone being Exercise of demon. No okay. you're gonna say personal. Experience doesn't count as evidence. And i actually. No i'm going. That is not the first place i'm going. How'd you know it was a demon. That's the first place. I'm going a hundred percent hundred percent correct. One hundred percent agree with you. I did not. I had no idea. All i saw was something. That's looks like what was described in the new tested. The woman would be the only person who would that the one that was actually exercised and even then it's kind of this gray area so if you don't know that the woman was if you don't know the woman's actually possessed by a demon. How did you eliminate outright fraud. absolutely in in the process of going through logical deductions. That is an absolute possibility. So i cannot eliminate that the most likely possibility it is a possibility absolute. It's the most likely possibility. Right i would. I would say the majority of christians Today i would say not very especially the charismatic type. They're not honest. They do want money they do want to make you believe that they could heal you answer. The question isn't it isn't fraud. The most likely answer absolutely so you would say fraudulent event that you think is proof. Forgot no no no no no. I haven't gotten there yet. I'm sorry give me thirty seconds. And i'll get there okay. Exactly thirty seconds go. So i went back home. I signed up to do a race. It's called a spartan race. I was very excited about it. I accidentally dropped a big piece of furniture on my toe. It broke naito. we're talking about swollen bones broken Huge bleeding etcetera. And i was very distraught about that. I actually attended a church. At the time that was pentecostal. I went to the church. There was a healing service. And i'm healing service. My toes prayed for it. Was he'll their bone swollen Were healed the swelling went down. It wasn't purple anymore so this is more personal experience. I got ten seconds left so no. You're you're actually out of time. You're actually out of time and we just deal with this there so you some bonds you want to healing service and it was healed right there from the time you broke the bones until the time you went to the healing service. How much time was there all hours really twelve hours. And you're swelling went down and you have actual you have before nascar at. This is what i'm gonna post in chat. It's not me. It's another link to a actual published medical article. No no no no no no no no no no no. Do you have before and after pictures of your broken bouts and you not know. So how do you know your bones broken. I have broken bones in the past. And i have had x rays. This one's a feeling so you are correct. Paul let me let me jump champion when you when you referenced. When i said i was evangelical used that in very broad terms to to Cover all of the strains of christianity that have to do with Evangelism and the idea that you need a savior to be saved. I was actually charismatic. Pentecostal spoken tongues believed in healing prophecies. All of that have seen all of that in my with my understanding at the time thought i saw demons cast out thought i saw legs lincoln. You know what i never saw. I never saw an amputee grow lim back. I never saw a baby with cancer healed I think i think you need to rethink your about a god who selectively heels or selectively cast out demons from someone in haiti Because the god that would heal. Your broken toe would have a lot of s- planning to do at the children's hospital in memphis were babies are born with bone cancer and don't get healed to christian parents who are praying for such healing babies who are born kids who are Struck with with diseases from birth people who were born in famine-stricken countries and never live to see their fifth or sixth birthday. But god's going to heal your broken toe. And god's going to out a demon for some person in haiti randomly and selectively here and there around the globe every now and then. I don't think you want to serve a god. Who's that arbitrary and that selective and callous comes to people who are really crying out for such miracles. Okay so i agree with you. That that is like an understanding of god. That's you know beyond our recognition. I guess but the the last link that all toes is the woman that had backyard degeneration. She just miss my whole point. Eight your way to give me. I don't give a shit about selective miracles that you claim to have or know someone who knew someone talk to solon whose brother-in-law got healed of something. I'm talking about a god. I would do that. Randomly and selectively and little children dive bone cancer. Tell me how that makes sense. All i'm talking about it. I can't debate that with you. I can't at all debate that that is not something that is possible. Talk about. I can show you a published medical journal. That has a documented miracle and so does so wh what is your what is the journal. I just posted it in check and you see chat or posted again. I don't think you can post loops in chat. Did what is the name of the journal. I don't want the of the journal and beyond that. What's your point of all this paul. So what let's cut to the chase. So what's your. What are you trying to establish here with these with these miracles that you're posting links to That the current situation in terms of god you asked earlier in the show where is a current event that would prove the existence of god. My posit or my assertion is that the bible has made a claim. It's a supernatural. No the bible the bible. The bible doesn't make any the bible. Prophecies are bad at best wrong in some cases and taking quotes out of context and others. So and i don't care what the bible says. Until i approved god so i don't i don't really care. What is your point positive. You're saying that these references to miracles these documented miracles as you say are proof of god so exodus fifteen twenty six as i am to god that he'll i don't care what exodus says but i don't care what the bible says i exists. I don't care what the bible says about healing Who cares that's a man. May the hobbit is claiming rewritten by by bilbo baggins. Should i accept everything that he says. That i frigging. Bilbo exists now. So i forgive you got exist. Then you can quote the bible at us. What is the name of the journal. The medical journal says that that your papers from what is the name and the journal place a science direct. Dotcom august agreed. You the link. No no no. No you don't to do that. I'm going to completely different direction. Pa heals your broken toe but doesn't heal a baby bone cancer. Is that the kind of god. You wanna serve So i can't really talk to that. It's very i'm why not. Why not. Why not simple question. That you want to prove god's existence because he owed your toe and some demon calf down in haiti but this guy continues to let children die innocent children that he could if he's a god who heals you. F- i'm the lord who heals you. How come he's not doing it to the babies born with cancer though. And if you don't want to speak to that is because you don't want to wrestle with that kind of a question that's the bottom line. I can wrestle with that. I can't my sister was murdered. This is the reason why i started down this path of trying to understand why bad things happen to people. I was a very very very bad place. considered suicide etc And this is. This is kind of where. I turned to God for any sort of help in this place so because of that situation. I went through a period of of fasting to try to understand. Just put any any kind of understanding around why this terrible thing happened to my family and as a result of that god showed me Some things i. I wouldn't say that he roo. Yeah so real quick and an and we're going to start wrapping up here but So you put yourself in a position where you can hallucinate and your brain is not functioning at full power to come up with Answers to questions you had. Does that. sound like a good thing to do that. part of that thing happened. I guess that's really the The part that. I was moving towards. But yeah i mean you're right sure so basically to recap just to make sure you presented evidence that you clan was a demon being cast out but it was probably fraud Your toe probably heal naturally and you have an new. We're talking about a an article from A website that actually looks like it might actually have good science on it I need more research And that you put yourself in a state. Now that were your brain's not working really well and you might be hallucinating to come up with answers to hard questions of that. Sounds like proof of god is sounds like just another failure and paul. Let me let me speak to what you're you're you were in a vulnerable spot understand. Sorry about your sister by the way but an an and you were under vulnerable spot in looking for as you said reasons why this would happen. We all want to understand why things happen or how things happen. But sometimes the answer to that is we just. Don't know and the idea of coming up with with a god that gives us some kind of understanding of those. Things is is pretty elusive. Now you may not be aware that. I was diagnosed two years ago with ls which is a terminal disease. It's no cure and given at the time given three to five years to live. We'll have had symptoms for three years. Now some on the. I'm on the back end of that and i could very well Start looking again or revisiting. This idea of god and maybe i made a mistake by By turning away from god ten years ago but none of that ever crossed my mind. Because i'm a pin. That life just happens and there are not always reasons for why bad things happen to good people or why bad things happen at all. It's just a chaotic world that we live in and i randomly got a ls when only a very small percentage of the population of the world ever gets it and so that just happens in life just happens in so turning or looking for some kind of a an answer to that and then finding solace in the comfort of a deity is a very natural and normal experience for humans. We all want that but it doesn't make it true it just doesn't and then trying to scramble around trying to find proof for that doesn't make it true either. I'm i understand that you want comfort. a you. want some some answers when there doesn't appear to be any but it doesn't Creating answers where there are. No answers does it make. It doesn't make any better. We just fool ourselves. And i would. I would hope for you to do better than that. But if you were cured of a ls which currently there is no cure and wrecked one prayed and someone preyed on you at the time that you were cured would you conclude there is a god or would you conclude. It was a spontaneous Regeneration of science or some other explanation. I would i would not jump to the conclusion that was a god. No and and further than that. I wouldn't if it was a person. Pray for me was claiming. That was the god of the bible. You could prove the god of the bible to meet tonight. I still wouldn't worship him. 'cause he's an ogre based on what the bible says about him. So i'm not interested in that god whatsoever and which you have our two correlated events correlation is not prove causation. you'd still need to prove causation. And the correct response is we. Don't know and i suspect that were that to happen. day would become the medical World's most favored guinea pig at that point because everybody would want to know how that happened and would probably come up with a with a reason and it probably would not be prayer. There have anyway documented reversals of a-list by the way but it did nothing to do with god or prayer so right anyway. Thanks a lot appreciate your call. Have a good day are right so crude. We have time for one more or we close out of time. I'm not paying not. I'm not paying attention. Well enough what that will do one more all right. So here we go We got one more all right. Elizabeth in the united kingdom. I'd ask you how you're doing so well. But i i suspect it's not as good as it could be. Yeah i i really related to what they said just now So like I i'm very disabled The i was feeling really down and My disabilities worse. I'm living with three life threatening conditions. I'm going blind and deaf so like these fundamentalist christians were really nice and kind to me. like in the middle of the pandemic and all the social support. He got stopped. You know my selected. Then what happened so light you know because of all no not because of intellectual reasons move because like a response like emotional reasons i stopped believing in god and christina love and lots of stuff and like my son he's he he wasn't australia He was tightening as a medical student. And he got some covy nineteen and he died. Oh my goodness thank you Fine yeah the putting as thought you know So he died like he sacrificed his life for the people. Basically so back to this krisztian church. When i like something real you know. I wouldn't back to them. I'm so said you know what my son who was who was a medical student and he was working overtime and volunteering. I mean died of covid nineteen and the first thing they said to me was was he a christian. I'm always said no. They said then he's gone to hell. And if you were any so mother you would help. Tim goes to heaven. And i just like was my brain exploded. They don't even have normal human empathy then just beyond just Yeah i would have done more than have my head explode. I think i would win some very very unhappy people because i want their phone numbers. I'm gonna college no. We're not gonna do that. When i know as much as i'd really like to put them on blast with the kerr that we have challenged. Call them personally and give them hell. I'm so sorry. Yeah sorry without you know. I you know like i really related to what they said. Even if that wasn't what she said the email and saying you know if heaven exists. I want to be full of people like you. I'd rather go to hell and be with my son than a heavenly steeple. Light you even. I don't want to know him. Yeah to me care whether they did go the not. So that's the problem ridden and you're right you're right. They don't have basic empathy. Elizabeth and i Since i've been doing the dying out loud thing and i got diagnosed with. Lsi talk a lot about life and death and and what's after death and things like that but one of the things. I've talked about a lot and are really believe this and christians have what i what. I've called a fetish for the afterlife. And what i think happens. Is that when you when you expend so much energy thinking about what the next life is like you. Don't you lose track of this life and this life doesn't have the that it should have. And i find that to be a tragedy and i've seen that in my own experience with christians as they've reacted to my my terminal disease. I have a lot of christians in my family and and they're disappointed in my departure from faith and into atheism and they've not known how to react to my a-list diagnosis. They don't know what to do with it. They don't know how to talk to me about it so they don't talk to me. They just basically leave me alone whereas the atheist friends in my life which is most of the people do live with they are there in the middle of it with me. They they they say we want to. We want to so much of this life as we can with you. We wanna get everything we can out of this life. 'cause we know that this this is the only life we have. There's nothing coming after if there is fine but evidence doesn't support that so i'm going with the understanding. This life is the only one we have and for the christians. They don't know what to do with that. And i'm very sorry that they did that to you. It's it's it's inhuman. It's the worst kind of cruelty to dump that on you after the loss of your of your child and i just can't tell you enough how sorry i am that you had to deal with that and and I wish i wish you weren't in the uk. Because i'd love to give you a hug. you know. the thing is. I thought the best thing i can do for my son's memory is to live the best life i can for as long as i absolutely absolutely and can you see the chat on on youtube right now. Elizabeth yeah. yeah. I can't thank you so i thank you on. You said you were lonely Let me introduce you to the folks there in chat Also on facebook. if you're there We have the experience fan group. There's a private one if you don't wanna be outed public want if you don't care you can do both We have a discord group to that will get posted either chatter on our links that you can go in and talk with this entire wonderful awesome community. That is here for you right now. and will definitely not tell you're going going to hell Definitely empathize with you. You have people like dave who's going through something similar nerve people and chatting on the discord who also there to help you through it so please just because you can't get out of the house right now because of covid Plea you know. The virtual stuff works better than the not doing it all so please reach out to those communities. Telomere land from uk on his call. They'll know exactly who you are. And elizabeth one step further. I please follow my dave out loud dying out loud stuff. Connect with me. I face to my facebook or my website and my girlfriend and bevan. We're going to be traveling to. We have plans to be in europe and the uk in september as long as things opened up which. I'm cresting that they will That by then. But i i don't know where in the uk you are but we're going to be seeing a lot of different people in the uk that that i've been wanting to meet that. We have friends there. And i would just love. Love love to hug your neck if it's possible at that time so please connect with me and stay in touch thank. You don't need go now. You thank thank you all right. I hope things get better showings in the heart. Thank you by what is wrong with them. Jim that people could say that to her. What the hell what. The hell is wrong with people. You sorry. I just yeah. I was not paying attention to the fact. The thing was pulling out there. I don't know if christians christie do that The the the total lack of empathy that their position gives them is absolutely terrifying sign. It just blows. That's why talk about this fetish for the afterlife. They have like disliked. Does it matter we pop that this life is just a breath and it doesn't really matter will all that matters is you. Prepare for the afterlife. God damn i hate. Yeah oh and elizabeth. If you're still listening don't forget about recovering from religion. I did forget mentioned into them. Yeah so you've got dave's community. You've got the ac as community and the online community gra what the shows recovering from religion And then Secular therapy project to yeah If you feel you need that help as well supllies. please visit a link to. There's a link to recovering from religion on my website. Just to make it easy to can't remember these. They said we got thirty more minutes. I guess we got a few more calls. If they're they're well so we're going to call in. We've got room for you. So we'll take some atheist calls in the meantime while waiting for Southeast call in and the first one is anton and maryland. Morality think morality is that can or should be taught in schools David unitech order. Morality taught in schools. Jeez i think so. I mean i have never thought of that but i i I don't see i obviously. It's not a bad thing to teach morality. But i mean you you've got to you you have to then question from from. Where do you get that morality. I certainly don't don't wanna spouse getting a an idea of morality from any kind of religion or the bible but being when when you say teach morality. I would say i would. I would send you mean teaching kindness and generosity. Basic human human Things that benefit us in in our interactions with each other and in in society so yet teaching people basic human decency and kindness. And don't don't do things that hurt people. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't think. I mean what do you think jim. I've never thought about that as far chance to respond. Because he hasn't had chance to get no. Oh god damn sorry. Gary yeah yeah okay talking. Both i'll be very quick Jim and david's pleasure to talk to you Starting to hear about your dave Didn't go to that But yeah the question. That was I was talking to my mom about At this point. I hadn't come out her. That was atheist brand new. That she is a non practicing theorist and one of the things she was kind of adamant about was like she thinks morality should be taught in schools. And it wasn't really something i'd given any thought to and i didn't really kind of to engage her in that without kind of having thought about it myself but i don't know i still haven't really thought about it and i was kinda just curious what you guys thoughts were. Maybe talking points on that. I'm so morality for me has has religious connotations and religious baggage to it. So i kind of prefer ethics. I think that ethics and epistemology need to be taught more schools And not just this is good. This is bad but how to think about ethical situations Because we're coming into some really really interesting places technology wise with self driving cars and and other things like that Where we have to look at. Who's at fault if a car runs over a pedestrian whose at fault the ethics of that situation if you know if a self driving car does that Is it the fault of the programmers or is it the fault of the programming or is it a fault of our understanding of the ethics of the situation and therefore the car couldn't do the right thing So yeah i. I think it should be taught because we we have a lot more ethical questions today than we we have in the past right when when you're an agrarian society right and wrong good evil pretty simple stuff but when you live in a society where you have to debate and what order do you give out vaccines for deadly diseases. Yeah right it's a good point. Yeah yeah. We definitely need it. I anton to your point about your mom. I guess if she were to ask you that or has after that then yeah. I think i think makes a good point about ethics versus morality because relative does seem to have some religious connotations. That's why i kind of hesitated a little bit to even go down that road with teaching it but yeah you can teach basic ethics is. I would say to earth long as you're not attaching some religious baggage to it in some deity Holy book to give you the guideline for what what is ethically morally right or wrong than than. Yeah think we can talk about those things. Okay yeah i i completely agree and that was a really good way to look at that as something i hadn't considered so i appreciate the against all right Yeah of economic hoops. I cut him off before i finished. My apologies did not mean to be rude. I just already hit the button. Okay so we got theus don here and this will tie into our previous question. Our previous quite nicely. It's paul in michigan. I know what am i mean You wanna know where morality comes from. Well i if you don't not necessarily ats but if you don't have a moral arbiter of some who decides what morality and if if it's just society then why is there a problem with blake. Then you what. You're essentially telling me that evil is necessary or evil. Wrongdoing is necessary in order to refresh to know that it's wrong then. No not not quite so first of all assist dropped the words Good nevil because There is simply labels that we put on events and they have some religious baggage. We can talk about good and bad And so what i use personally is empathy and welby happiness Call it for happiness As things that i is as guidelines for whether or not an action. I'm getting ready to perform is good or bad so if it maximizes. Happiness has a positive impact on other people's lives. That is a good thing. I have a negative impact on things. It has a bad thing. If the least pathetic thing. I can do like a church telling a woman that her son is going to hell because he died not a christian That is bad that has a negative impact on people's lives. So that's what that's what i use. Okay i would agree with that statement. Actually I would never tell someone their son's going to hell because they weren't christian. I would you know if they don't follow. Jesus that's a different story but But the rea the reason you lost me there being a christian and following. Jesus there's well yes technically but there are some people who don't like that label so they just say our dollar jesus or not you know and then there are some persons who are not really sick. They're not you know. Jesus talks about in the bible. It talks about the goats versus the sheep. So no no. No no true scotsman right so in your view if out but that's just in your in your view. If her son was in a follower of jesus he would go to hell but not not because god and if if you if she if she were to ask you that point blank. What would you tell her. I would say that. I'm not the judge. I'm not the arberg air here know question. Yeah that's so you answer the question. Then i wouldn't dodge. That is dodging the question of the individual. Well i know your heart. So i can't less less less. Make it personal. I've got a fatal disease. And i'm going to die in a few years and i'm an atheist and it used to be a christian and i've i've rejected god and walked away from him when i die. What's going to happen to me. Paul on court silly that that is the you know that. What exactly what you're saying is that you die apart from god and from you think you think you think hell hell is moral so you can tell us. Moral d think punishing infinite punishment for finite. Crime is moral. No no no. This has been understanding. Of what hell it see. Most people think. Oh thou and lightness trays. But hell is actually the epitome of the journal opposite of who got it so if you don't want died then you know god's not going to force himself on either and so if you don't god then you're left with whatever the hell is not punishment hell is not punishment does what you're saying it is but it's not an okay so let me let me go. Let me go back to my original statement. Let me go back to. My original question is an infinite crime or is it is an infinite punishment justified by a finite crime and beyond that to add to tack onto that not believing in jesus is not even a crime. I didn't do anything wrong. I haven't heard anyone i haven't talked about. You started talking about moral morality. I haven't killed anyone to have it stolen. I haven't done anything that we worthy of punishment and yet. Because i say i don't believe that jesus died for my sins. I'm going to be eternally punished as you said. It's a punishment and jim says. Do you think that's justifiable. According you according to the bible if you have live and you know. I'm asking you bible says i i wanna know if you think that paul we're talking about morality and i asked you thought hell drive my morale now personally figured that i figured reality. So and so because the bible the bible support okay. Dodging the question. Though the question i'm asking is if there is no more often doesn't have to be. The bible could be allah or whoever learn answered that question. We've answered that. I throw it back at you. And i said you're you're saying that the bible teaches eternal punishment. Jim says is eternal punishment justifiable for crime. Even if that supposed crime is simply not believing in jesus and you're saying because the bible says it off. No no no no. No i'm saying so. What is that. Slavery was a necessary evil because no no no. No rabbits sleeves like a question. Do you think that that infinite is justified by a finite crime. Is that moral. Is it moral to provide a infinite punishment for finite crop. Is that moral. So yes or no question. I'd say no but okay. Not you agree. You agree that your god is immoral. How is that. You just did got god. Specifies that for a finite crime you go to hell forever does he. Does he not specify that is that. Is that not part of the bible. No he says spies what saint is. Yeah but seen is ultimately rejection of him to your. So that's what i'm calling. A crime is is is. Is there any sin that is infinite or is all set and finite actually had have. I'm sorry you're breaking up quite a bit. Can't hear you paul. Yeah so but yesterday question. I find it. Remarkable the links that christians go to to defend the concept of hell and the end. The end the loops that you the hoops that you jumps jump through to make it sound okay. The idea of anyone suffering forever in in in some form of punishment whether you believe it's an isolation or darkness or burning fire or separation from god which you can obviously considered to be a very bad thing. If if i'm separated for eternity from the god of the bible. I'm pretty good with that. Because i'm not too fond of that dude. So i guess your definition of god and mine are going to be worlds apart but nonetheless. Well hope i hold on. Bill is no cording to the bible a finite issue. It has far reaching beyond beyond. Just you okay. So let's take the sin of lying. Let's take. Let's take take a specific specific. San lying is lying a finite saying is it bounded by time. No it because you've got issues after that depending on the line now. If it's a small. I yeah you could. You could justify that. It is a finite thing. But if you're lying your spouse and there's custody right but all those trust issues and when you're dead because everything at that point is now so lying is a finite sin all sin a sign it because all sin ends when you're dead when you get according to you get judged so all set is finite for which you get punished infinitely with no ability to redress your sent. That is moral to you. Is that correct. Yes or no. It's it's not they ears separation. You're separated from joes dot answering the question. It's a yes or no question is punishment moral or not yes or no. Yes yes okay. What makes it moral. Why what makes it a moral. Because god is the ultimate okay so divine command theory. He your article system is called divine command theory right right. Let me ask you this final question. If god told you to go kill your child would you do it. Yes they get. I do are immoral. do more definition of your definition of morality twisted and sick. And just because you get it from the bible doesn't make it. Okay and i want nothing to do with that kind of morality not yet you are by our definition evil. You are wrong. You are immoral and acts. We're gonna call. Because i have no further desire to talk to somebody so fucking immoral as to kill their own child because sun god told them to bubba cheese me fucking christ. That's actually happened in real life. Not just the bible but people who people parents who have gone insane have heard voices telling them to kill their children because they're going to be better off in heaven that's right. We call insanity. That's not fucking morality. Bright right that it is so fucking raw god. Fuck and william lane craig. All over again you can tell pulling from william lane craig and ray comfort. Jesus christ so let's go with. This is another one more. Yeah le- in california. Go ahead hi how you doing so well. I need a shower. Now that i just talked to that previous caller. Just wash the evil empty but he got jim. Upset gyms all upset. Now i get over it quickly on the show and what's that i was diagnosed with a tax. Ya not sure if you know what it is. It's progressive neurological disorder What's it the. i'm sorry. I missed the first part a taxi. A x ray. Not familiar with it. But it's a neurological disease. It mimics parkinson's or a mess Okay gotcha so I i'm an atheist. And i don't believe in karma or heaven or any of these things but cannot shake the sense that i have somehow taken upon this earned this of fiction and i don't add to pass experienced that yeah Were you ever christian. yeah. I was actually patricia. Christ okay. I think that's where that's coming from. Lee i understand. I mean when i got diagnosed with alas i i've i've been on a lot of podcast shows and people have asked me a lot you know. Did you feel lucky. God was punishing you. Consider returning to god any of that stuff and and no no. No no. And i think maybe what you're asking my initial response to that would be that you've got some baggage leftover from that. I think church of christ is pretty severe in terms of what they consider san and and judgement and those kind of things. And how long have you been out of that. may i ask i. I've been in east Thirty six now. I think i can get converted when i was twenty four but my my guilt isn't necessarily related to odd. It's actually i like i. There's almost it's rolodex of bad memories of things that i've done to people are said to people. I wish i had you know i. I've said to my husband that land. Look back. I i'm just completely embarrassed of and that's what i sure when i think holy crap i'm coming closer to my life and i thought it would be. I mean it's not it's it can be chronic or terminal right now. I don't know what it is. I'm assuming i have at least twenty to thirty years but just imagine i've set somebody parents. I've said things to my spouse And and i think. Maybe maybe i i you know i. I was to sharp-tongued this time. And i know it's not 'cause the universe has will agents and i know this intellectually scancen to internalize i. I understand i do. I've i'm actually working on a book of my life and i I'm writing things and going revisiting. My life and i made a lot of mistakes made bad choices and did things that hurt people in having to revisit that and write about it is painful But i have adopted a strategy in the last couple of years. It's a quote. I heard that in caps alighted from maya angelou and it simply says do the best you can do until you know better and then when you know better do better and that allows me if i if i revisit that often then allows me to not dwell with the love of regret cause we all look back and wish we'd done something different or hadn't done that or hadn't gone there hadn't said that and it can haunt us an but regret is too costly of emotion to live with and i would just encourage you to find a way to Dig deep and put that stuff aside and realize that you didn't get some disease because badge tough you did. That's just not how things work it. You got it. Because life is random and chaotic and i got ls just. Because i got it my my position on. That is who am i to say. I didn't deserve to get it. Who am i to say that some other person should have gotten instead of me. Life happens and and i just happened to be one that this disease attacked for some no reason that no one knows never will know. It just happened and now i have to choose. How am i gonna play. The cards have been dealt to use an old analogy. And you too. And my my hope is that you'll find a way to grab as many good moments as you can in life and to carpet the fucking diem and to live the best life you can and try really hard not to look back but to look forward and another. It's not always easy. But i my my hope that you can find ways to do that. Because that's what i'm doing to invest. And i would add to the the carpet indium A more effective love your fate. You can't do anything about it. You might as well enjoy what you can of it and imerese it with both arms in. Don't like oh it. Because i mean it is what it is on fighting and railing against. It's not going to do anybody any good. It's a natural reaction shrimp and it's one that has to be gone through but you know get get through that as quickly as you can and get to a point where you can accept that. It's not so much about whether or not you deserve it. It's by a while we get to deal with now and moving forward from there haley I'll also like i told elizabeth. Uk connect with me on my staff. Follow along let's stay connected in like a told her we're actually. We're trying to do a lot of traveling because my window for that is closing. I'm fighting time myself. And so we're going to be in california in june. I don't know where you are but we're going to be all over the state so would love to have a drink. Yeah okay we're hopefully we're open my that. Yeah i'm i'm hoping we will be So send me a message. Connect with me and let's let's stay in touch okay. I'd like to thank you so much. Okay league thanks for calling in thessaly. Yeah yeah right an emotional roller coaster of a show that it outlasts sadness to anger. Who really really really deep abiding anger to to lose. Hit a couple of times. Okay so dave. Where can we find you. Dave out loud dot com has links to all my stop twitter. Facebook others links Dying out loud on facebook. If you haven't friend had me a similar friend. I've got twitter. Follow me on. Tiktok get on their posts little videos every now and then argue with these christian zealots who all seemed to be about twenty years. Oh my god that remind me of me forty years ago seriously okay Well folks thank you so much for those of you. Who are underscored. I will be there in a couple of minutes. David unit china's over there. Yeah let me go. Let me go visit the men's room and I get a. How do i find you. Discord by the way. I don't know. I don't even know We'll get you someone to shoot you. The link to to the pop in right. And then one. More time which i think are wonderful crew who've been working so hard behind the scenes and enforcement on the show because they took away all my collars around you guys are awesome. Thank you so much for the hard work. You put an end to in dealing with the callers. Who didn't make it and i know those stories very well Keep telling me them. 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Ep 238 | Jase and Jep's New Show Pilot, Muppet Trigger Warnings, and the Hate in Cancel Culture

Unashamed with Phil Robertson

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Ep 238 | Jase and Jep's New Show Pilot, Muppet Trigger Warnings, and the Hate in Cancel Culture

"Him unashamed what about you. Well i got some exciting news. I believe you remember a few months ago. We appeal to those on social media. Unashamed nation on whether i was going to do this metal detecting chair so i can announce that we're fixed film a pilot version of that. Of course you know how hollywood works. That may take another couple of months. But i just didn't want you to think that the voices were not being heard. So it's yeah it was welcoming. You know do it. From our audience. They liked the idea. Yeah what's to me. The audience would have said something else. So that's coming around the bien. The other thing that i wanted any ideas on at work entitle for it. No doubt about that. I we need a title. Why don't we do that. let's a name. Can we appeal. Yeah bill we have three main characters would be me. Jap is like just grabbed the show. So they'll kind of maybe come up with some catchy. The reason we're doing polit is. I don't think we really know. But we're gonna. We're gonna metal detectors i mean there's a history aspect of that because that's kind of what you're doing is the ground upside down from about a foot deep in going back in the history. But you're also. I mean there's a lot of spiritual themes i mean my whole motivation for doing this because there's a lot of references in the bible about discovering treasure and y'all the laws coin and luke fifteen. It causes joy. The guy who finds the treasure in the field. I love this story. And then he hides it again sells everything has and buys the field. So why would a man do that. Because he's he wants to treasure on the rest of his life. Why would how well because also to keep it. He needed to own land too so that was probably part of it. I mean what's crazy is the three guys who are going to do this. We have murray. Who goes back. I think you share jesus with him and And brian the good good brother. He's knows about history he he kinda gives the show credibility because he knows what we find and where we should go and he knows where a road was in eighteen. Fifty that we're gonna go and this was a poor bird and he just has all that in his head he doesn't look it up and whatever we fine he's like. Yeah that's a hint of nineteen thirty four something. That is a plethora of something to the fact beyond the veil. It has a bail over dirt rocks. But you're digging in the dirt to unveil the past unveiling the past finding the past. I mean i thought about relic connors like something to do with the dirt though dart me. Don't say dart busters i. I'm sure the people come up with something better than i can but we do need a working title that that would be awesome. The other thing i was i'd also be land lueders. Yeah after i discovered that some people don't like people digging dart find in history. I wonder about it. But i have a problem with that. They say your land leaders. They're saying you're you're it needs to be just sit there and rot. They don't wanna know what was on there. Maybe that's the same kind of people that would tear down statues and not want to. You know acknowledge history in any form way away you can do whatever you want Loopy as it used to say if you don't learn history you're doomed to repeat it. I mean we're fine in this style. A lot of stuff is valuable. And i think people don't like that like gel kind of represents at murray is the history. I'm the hunter the experience. I just the experience of something that was lost and and finding something so it's kind of almost a spiritual side to it and i just like looking at land and going back in time and put myself in that situation and then see him. What's under the ground jokes kind of the light. Hey can we make a buck on. This chained up lost in something along the lines of lost and pound. You know it's not bad. I was remembering when we were talking about our show and it was a lot like this. It was people just kind of kicking around ideas and trying to kind of figure it out and you and willie mostly. But i remember willie came up with the one that we all loved and it was ekman. Remember what it was valued. Big time was was what he wanted to be called. Names really seemed a lot better then. Of course they came out with that had none of us at the honesty and makes work. We thought it sounded like a food restaurant so like a chinese. Well just any kind of light where you go eat ducks i did. I didn't like it but you know it is wanted we were you know but now you can come up with some really cool and then some wherever you land. The show is gonna say. Oh no we're going to call it. You know land lueders. But i would like you know at this stage in my life. Whatever i i try to use it as a way to point people to jesus and that's why i made those spiritual references. It is good. Clean fun Contrary to you know people who doesn't necessarily like it. I think there's a fringe group of metal detectors who don't who are not ethical but that's anything in life. You know people who poach into federal grounds and trying to find you know relics that they're breaking the law by doing it or trespass and we'll mean we're obviously against all that and some people you know. They're just scared of the idea when they see people are like me with a shovel in his hand coming into their yard. Starting to dig. They're like no. I mean it just scares them. The idea i think i told the story that there was a woman who lived on this a state that had an old church building. I think the signs at eighteen thirty or eighteen forty dollars an hour and a half away from here so a guy who had a sister that lives in that town. He went over there. And and use the duck commander card. You know. i've got a couple of guys who go over. And they wanna metal detectors and so she wanted to meet us so it was great so we go over there in about twenty minutes into it. We're out there metal detecting his yard right beside the church. Boom the guy comes out there and says yo we gotta go so what happened. So she says it's she doesn't recognize you because this a few years since the show was on. And i was like well. Let's go to her and he's now the decision has been made she said. That's not jason. That's not so she just saw too old rough looking guys in the yard and she thought we were impostures and so we got run off the that happened the times. You're to use your worst enemy like gray. Graham bears like the nab gray and his beer the show. Of course. I said how does xinis as she's ninety i said l. Not that you know that means anything. It may not be seeing as this used. It does him. Probably this whole thing with you in this running treasure honey. It probably goes back to our childhood. I just remember. Dad used to when we up the road in used to hunt because they had all those era heads and indian stuff. Does that it. Was that big bus right that you remember that. Dan granting power up there and we were looking van and arrowheads and pottery and bones so we go the trash pile and get bottles and you know that was a willie. I think we probably aid. And t and that was the first time he ever drank alcohol. To my knowledge he had found a whiskey bottle cool bottle and we thought it was over. There was a little bit in there and he he tried it. You know. 'cause he's been out that it was not backwater because bin laden. I wouldn't recommend that you drink from that. Obviously but when you're eight and ten and you're being adventurous you know always wondering what y'all doing nine years old willies. That hey i got to know the other. I was going to bring up my wife. She said she won't. When when i saw her last she was in allston way. She said there's a new show out about jesus. Have you seen it. I don't know if you heard about this The chosen have you heard about this. A lot of our listeners sent me emails about this bid. It is yeah. I watched the first episode loved it. So and what they did i. I know there's probably some religious people who are like. Oh here we go. 'cause they basically took the stories of the new testament that are wrapped around jesus and they they made them seem real and so they took a few liberties of just how it was put together but it. It's it's way more realistic to me. Just i've only watched one episode. So i hope this don't off cliffs somewhere but it was moved. It was moving. I mean it's not like it's it's a built for just entertainment like it's a really good powerful way to kind of into the personal human side of the people who followed jesus and how they came to these encounters with jesus loved it. Is it set in the first. Is that like a modernize zano ascend the first century. Yeah it but what i like about it is. She said the model. What was more interesting to me. Is that. It's not really available on tv to watch you have to download an out and if you like you can contribute to them making more shows and so one of the data base entities own internet to where they rate tv shows or whatever. I think it's called. Imdb or you can go there like we'll go. We'll use that like the movies. Right at all or i'll go look it up as a parental guide and they give an overall number of what people think about this show. Well out when i looked it up it was nine point seven out of ten. I've never seen anything that ha- now's lighthouses so what missy said. Well it's because the only people who had watched this are people who are interested in jesus because they have to go down low the alp and thanks free. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure of that. But i think it is so i just want to with john thought about that so is missy watch the whole thing because this is what's well i'll tell you this. She's watched eight episodes of belief and when we watched it. I mean this is a couple of nights ago. It was the fourth time she had seen the first episode. I mean she loves it and where you have a little credence to what luke What john recorded. Jesus did many other things as well. Last statement in the book john if every one of them were written down i suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written as pretty interesting statement while it is and what you're saying is one little glimpse two thousand years later of jesus. He's just he's hard to get around. Oh i know. Well what i like about it is all the big stuff is completely accurate and they they put up a little note before you watch it. It was kind of long but the gist of it was you know this is. This is in the bobble. And we've we've made it into a show and it's accurate it's an accurate depiction of who jesus is. I'm not quoting but it. It says that. But then the last sentence i love it. It's like we recommend you read the gospels. Read it and then watch it. And you'll enjoy so i thought it was saying so i hope it takes off. I mean i wanted to bring it up. See if you're heard of it. But i love when somebody has an idea to to make who jesus is a reality in people's lives and it's not cheesy twelve done. The acting is great. Though way it's put together is it's not like you don't know what's fixing to happen usually on on a typical religious movie or a jesus movie you know how how this thing works out but this is just an interesting way to view it. I i loved it. yeah. I haven't gone back the two thousand years to watch shows but because computer free but Yeah i i'm at the point. Where you're i'm watching matt dillon and chester well. This is way better because this is about jesus but you're low. I know i lost you when i said you have to download the app. Was that mean. I just picked up. The tv shows made in the fifties and sixties. Matt dillon chester. i'm like yeah okay. Well this zero and they've got a warning Warning depiction something Not not not applicable. Today when you watch. whatever. You're watching. Matt dillon new. Say this depiction is not not not applicable. It's well this. I think the opening credit was like it said four. bc is where it started and And they said this. Depiction is accurate. So i highly get somebody to download the app. Because i had to get somebody to do it for me. I'll talk to dan about that. Let's take a break so it's safe to say that there's always been good around and there's always been evil. That is that a fair statement to say from start to finish from the first human beings to the last one's good and evil. So i agree and and you know we talk on this podcast a lot about the internet and we see the good things i mean. We're able to. Do you know what we're doing today. We're able to do unashamed able to do it remotely because now you consume in record these high quality productions in yet there's always evil. This is going to be there as well which we talk about. One of the things that happens to sabir crime up seventy five percent since the pandemic and it makes sense because a lot more people are on lance. Oh it's going to bring out the bas also gonna bring out evil And people find new ways to do evil so basically these come in to steal your title because his stored somewhere in a digital place forge their name on it and steal your money so you wanna make sure that's not happening to you. Go check these guys out. There's a company called home title lot. You gotta hometown a lot dot com rescue addressed. Make sure you're not a victim. They're going to give it thirty three days of protection and that totalwine dot com. Use the code radio to get the thirty three days and found out. That you still on zoe. Dad brought up an interesting point though. A what a thing. That's had a big thing. Now that have been found at night. It's like lately is the muppets. You know the muppets. you know. there's the guy with the you know with with the puppets. There's never says it. Who has been around for forty fifty years you know. I mean they've never seen this the bird and all that That sesame street but yet it's the same type of stuff but now so what so. The big comments ain't now in this cancel. Culture is they're going back all these disney movies that were out years where we were kids or even even before we were born to some of those disney movies been around long and they're doing just what najib said they have these labels on now you know. This doesn't this is fair to this race of people and this doesn't pick this in the proper ways kind of taken the the twenty twenty one cancel culture mansa in going back now to everything that's ever been made for the last seventy years television and then basically saying you know this might trigger you this. This is not really the way we should be doing this. And some of them are just flat out taking them out of places. You can download it. I mean is just a cry tomatoes. What makes jesus so appealing. Because you can't go back and fix things you wanna stakes in your life. You just thank. You can't make them right. Can't undo them. you just can't undo them and so here comes jesus along. And he's like on an individual basis which becomes collective. He gives a point of reference for you to start over and do things the right way all wrapped in love and peace and joy and these great qualities. That should we should try to use this vein of people trying to do this and find a way to introduce jesus. God made him who had no sin to be seen for us so that in him we might become the righteous of god and he only only jesus can undo what's been done but we have done he does he becomes sin for us and it's all put on him i like it's one of the wildest no d. wireless story i've ever read. I liked that wanting colossians. One in verse. Twenty two where he said. He has reconciled you by christ's body through to present you holy in his sight without blemish in this little phrase and free from accusation. Because you think about it. You brought this cancel culture. It's all about these accusations that may be true in the past but there's nothing we can do about it right now. You can spend your life trying to correct the pass in editing movies and changing names and or you can come up with a better way to change the heart for the future because most of the things that this that mindset is doing. I'm for what what the problem was. I mean i mean. I'm for correcting the problem. I mean yeah we all need to look at each other as as human beings of course has that happened in the past. Obviously not there's prejudices and racism and abuse. And but i find that the way to victory in the in the way to success on a daily basis in jesus is that we're all aid in the image of god. Nobody had a choice in in being here. We were given life and we should love everybody. You'd think about the solutions that people come up with. They rose up and fought against that which is in our history also to get to a place where we are. Now that we're all men are created equal and are free. I mean yes. It was horrible but yes men and women rose up and took on evil. So you're like what do we do. Now why have something even better than that. Because jesus were all colorblind. And we're all fault blind because all our our sands and flaws have been washed away nailed on across and the other said glazing. Three slave are free. Yeah members of one body mayo female slave free. Well think in when this was written no it was more of a you know they use that as a social status. I mean even like of we do with blue collar white collar. Which i'm sure they'll change that color. You know to to which caller you're wearing. But i mean there were back in this day in. How many levels of servants and slaves. Whether it was out the roof you had a whole system of basically indentured servitude. Where you basically say. I'm gonna work for you or give you everything i got for seven years and i mean it's more like a business arrangement with say today's contract but back in those days they would call it. You know becoming a slave but it's actually in servitude is a better way. Probably a better way to talk about is very different. Yeah what happens in. America was worse because it wasn't as much as a business arrangement as it was. You're a certain color. Therefore you're not allowed to be free. I mean well that. I don't even know slaves not strong enough word for whatever that that is. That's that's just. Evil is be will captured on another continent and loaded into ships. And the most miserable. Imagine ever to get over here. Dan on the way disease. I mean everything was done was terrible. Let's take note so jc other day when you were talking about your plane misadventures amid to you do you Do you listen to live music on the on the plane. That one of the things you do to calm your nerves i do. I listened especially won. The world is getting anxious and nervous and causing frustration. I go to a far away. Place known as worship me to the lord it's it is an indicator mandate in the right thing. One thing you're probably gonna need is some wireless earbuds in one of new sponsors is accompanied outright con and these are small. They are and fit right ear into your ears which are very easy to do. And i'd like to try those out. Yeah the only problem i have. Is i get so swept up in it. Because you're inside your head the next thing. You know you're singing at the top of your lungs and you're looking in. Everyone is just they have a blank stare. So basically these these ray cons. They're built a water. Resistance went resistant. They blew to your phone easily. You get six hours worse. If you listen to unashamed podcast you can be listening to six of those. So a ray on is offering fifteen percent off all their products for our listeners. So you a bath recon dot com slash unashamed and you get fifteen percent off your order. Rake on dot com slash unashamed. Check these guys out. Start singing on the plane. We were talking about The chosen have you ever seen the movie. Paul apostle of christ. I haven't easels you. Jim caviezel who played jesus in the passion. He plays luke. I think it's luke in this movie and there's another guy that's lies. Paul in you were talking about how when you go back and basis on the on the biblical story and it was a really interesting movie because basically luke or maybe it was john. He played one of the apostles in his interview in paul at the end of his life. You know basically to write some of the stuff that's written in the hour and it was kind of like based on a true story. That was really fascinating to me. Does it put me in. The in. The mand set of what paul must have gone through in terms of guilt for everything. He does so. They're doing these flashbacks into you know. When he was saul he was dragging these people out and separated families and it was. It was really really powerful. It's two d. should definitely check it out. Is paolo possible crisis. Very well done. I mean cabeza. Great actor in this other guy is too so it's very well dumb. Recommend that i will well. I just thought when fail was saying that that there's even today to a lesser degree. There's just because something's legal you're somewhere rights law doesn't mean as right that's right i mean and that's it's tough for us as you know we're christians i and you know american second i guess and so it is difficult and it makes us mad when when we we know something is is wrong but i could make the same argument you know about abortion you know making that legal i mean to me because that's just wrong i'm never gonna say oh because you made that legal feel like that's right now i'm not gonna go do something evil myself in protest of it you know evil does not get an evil response but i am with all passion and in freedom of speech going to try to dissuade that from happening even though it's legal in this country so i don't know who james data but each or the nets so we didn't pay any attention to it may that is to have to live through that is just incredible to even contemplate were born into it and it was it was on the doors when we were babies so when we're boys and we're looking at with that what's that all about we didn't get it you see what i'm saying so he doesn't take a leak where you want to you know who would who would care where you took a leak having nuts even to us at ten twelve year old boys imagine racing jason. We can't even imagine living it. Oh setting like that a cultural. I'd have you know. I mean you would meet racist people along the way especially in school and see those tendencies but you still have to make a decision in life that you know and i tell my kids the same thing. You can't in an effort to gain friends and debris be friendly you you can't you can't throw away your character. I mean there comes a time in all relationships when you meet strangers have classmates or work people you work with. You have to draw a line on some things. I i'm not gonna take my character. Chuck away to be your friend. It's not going to happen. See see what what helped us is that we were very poor. And so were the blacks. If i had been a rich kid with black guys i'm outta had are different view of it but being as poor as they were there poor. We're poor it sought a there was a bond that formed out of that aisle between myself and my black brothers. The randall's alien next to us you know but we all play together crawfish fish together and all that but we never. There wasn't a racist bone in any of our bodies none not once and that's the current theories could race theory. That's the idea of our guys. That did the podcast with us. Just thinking guys to black runner podcast. they have a caste called just thinking they just did one on critical race theory which i can't wait to listen to it although i did see. How on their by gas was you think we're having rubbed dealer was three and a half hours who raised three and a half hours. Because i just thank you. I can just explaining as well those those are to start that. Let's take another break so to the point of just to kind of get us back to paul and acts you know. In last time we mentioned we talked about glaciers. And you know when he was in what we didn't say the last time goes the setting there in the galatian church. The different will they were turned into. Was these jewish christians you because they were first right. We haven't had any gentiles at we get to that the next chapter but so they were trying to force the gen tau brothers that were coming to christ to be circumcised as well as to be you know to obey christ into abbas more really al the prejudice between jew and gentile. How would you rate that. Degree of prejudice mean thousands of years thousands of utah cepal basically covers. It will go through with these to in a minute. Eleven and following about god bringing through the gospel jew and gentile. But when you get to chapter three and reading this you'll be able to understand my insight into the mystery of kreis which was not made known. The men and other generations now been revealed by the spirit to god's holy apostles and prophets. This mystery is that through the gospel. God becoming flesh. Jesus dying on a cross being being raised with the gentiles are heirs together with israel members. Together one body and sharers together and the promise in christ jesus. I became a survey of this gospel by the gift. Of god's grace going down a road of in damascus that we read about in in book of acts. I became a server to this gospel by the gift. Of god's grace given me through the working of his power i i'm less than the least of all gods people. This grace was given me to preach to the gentiles. The unsearchable riches of christ and make no make plain to everyone on the administration of this mystery which for ages past was kept hidden in god who created all thing and he goes on to say his intent was now through the church that he was destroying. You talk about on the wrong side. The manifold wisdom of god should be made known to the rulers authorities in the heavenly. Rams are according to the terminal purpose which you accomplished in. Christ jesus our lord in him and through faith in him. We may approach god with freedom. Where the agenda confidence ask you. Therefore don't be discouraged because of my sufferings For you which are your glory. He he got the message the memo when jesus joke him down he had no idea all this racism bringing it all coming together. The human race jew or gentile into one body and we've finally love one another all has been done for us. It's sitting there in front of us and we still got the cancer culture crowd that are unforgiving toward their brothers. It's all been fixed. And jesus is the one who did it. Well i mean he say go into the whole world preach the gospel to all nations. Yup and we're not very far in the book of acts chapter two. It said that they had gathered for the day of pentecost has said every nation under heaven. And when you get to acts eight. You have philip and the ethiopian with is. I think that was in early. Tom sudan in that region and then route on the rat before saul is reduced as being the chosen instrument to all gentiles. Just look at this. What the way. God's plan was it was to bring all nations no matter what color where your history which are even what send you've committed are under one head to a place of love forgiveness and hope and be a part of god's forever family i mean to me you want an answer to all these problems and even all this then what you keep calling the council all he. Algebra liberated the cancel culture. Yeah remember that formerly you who are gentiles by and called uncircumcised by those who call themselves the circumcision that done in the body by the by the by the hands of men remember. you've got two groups. Remember that at that time you gentiles were separate from christ excluded from citizenship in israel and and foreigners to the covenants of the promise without hope without doubt in the world is in tiles. Were in a bad but now here comes these in christ jesus and the good news you are. Once far away have been brought near through the blood of christ. He himself is our peace jewish gentile. He's made the two jewish jewish gento one. He's destroyed the barrier the law the dividing wall hostility. Bob boxing his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was and the book of acts outlines perfectly. This is the former saul of tarsus talking here. Who was going around killing kristen. His purpose was to create in himself. One new man. Out of the to jew and gentile becoming one thus making peace between them and in this one body the church to reconcile both of them jew and gentile to god through the by which he's put the death their hostility. He came in preach peace to you who were far away gentiles and peace to those who were near joo for through him. We both jew and gentile have access to the father by one spirit therefore you no longer foreigners neyland. What a story if you just look at it. Love it rate story to you. Said we're no longer foreigners or aliens but fellow citizens. With god's people and members of god's gentile brother black white yellow all of us coming together on the one head. It's right there in front of everybody. So worry look with our current struggle in america and we sadly they're looking everywhere. But jesus christ al and there is. The problem goes on to say in him. The whole building is joined. But he's not talking about a structure summit people us all joined together and rises to become a holy temple to the lower. Yup you know it. That's one of the things that i loved to do. As one of the reasons why. I've traveled in africa several times new. Go somewhere else where the culture is completely different. I mean completely different. And they don't have anything like we have here in some of these places that but you run into a brother in assistant in christ. There is an instant bond of matter. The skin color doesn't matter this socio economic difference it is a bod in the when i hear him singing and priced guide in a different way than we sing when we worship. It's just inspiring to me. That's what you get out a little bit and get out of your comfort zone. If people could see that they would have a more link with you. This ideal talking. Let's take one last break. A new world order has been established ever since jesus appeared it was a mystery then and unfortunately al. It is a mystery to this day until people find jesus christ who he is what. He's done what he's now doing what he will do. It is fixed our problems. America's or any other country on the earth and these ideas that come up there racist in themselves wipe fragility critical race theory. All this stuff going around. It's just racism itself and it just keeps us have gone. 'cause that's the dow was what he does. What's interesting about. This is that jesus revealed in the first century and now of course paul is carrying that on as well as peter. That god is always love. Everybody i mean. He played every person in his image. And so what. The jews missa because back when he you. He bought them out of egypt. They thought he didn't love gentiles because he told him to stay away from these people they were about to inhabit this land with does he want follow him after all these false gods and all this stuff but they misunderstood that he didn't love every single one of them. That's why you'll see these individuals throughout the old testament that will convert to judaism but they were already faithful to dodd. You know. I mean think about jericho goes down and there's rahab and she's a prostitute in. She's a part of this other culture but she trusted in god and so she tells fast she was. Like i wanna follow your god. He's the god and then she winds up saving Winning the battle. But there's just story ended up at and the hall of faith. Al jesus's physical lynch you know even in the story about philip and the eighth european that the foundation of that we mentioned earlier was built on jesus at a whale with samaritan woman. I mean a This was and they didn't username associated with them. I mean that whole thing that the span a lot of years was the reason that that happened was that jesus when you just watch him how he operated one thing stands out more than anything he loved. Everybody and he was friends with everybody but we know he didn't compromise his character because you know when peter quoted his death on a cross redeems is said in him was no sin. And that's what i think. Our young people need to get in their head about trying to compromise their character in order to gain friendships. It's the exact opposite of what jesus did. He was friends with people. he loved them. He tried to tear down the walls of hostility that they but but in that he never went around with these rough people you know tax collectors and centers and exchanged his character in the moment. he didn't do. it was to me. That is the ultimate in how to go around and destroy all the barriers that keep us apart. We'll by the way. That's jesus experience it as well. You know he was from. Nazareth is where google up. You remember several times. It was the pharisees would say what good thank can come out at amazon. Is you know you had to go through samaria to get to nazar. So they are all part of that earth originally the ten tribes so those purist and jerusalem. I mean that's why there was. No they were thinking he's not the messiah. There's no way what they didn't know was is. He was born in bethlehem just outside jerusalem. They didn't know that though because he grew up in nazran and so just again. It's insurance and it's and that's what that's what feeds racism. You all of a sudden you start saying with this region of the world we and we have to watch because sometimes this is the inner cities and there are no. There's people that desperately need. Jesus that are there. I mean you know the evil one is just raining. Some of these remember was it nathaniel and he said oh. He's the one where's he from. Nazareth not good coming out there. How would you like to be the guy who told the sun. God the he gets stereotyped and said your from the wrong part of town. No good believe. That's what we do you even the religious world al i. It burns me up when there's been people that we've brought to the lord and then later they get off into some kind of idea. There's just some small sec. That are going to be the only ones to make it. And i've had people in you know you have to come back to me later and say you're not gonna make it. I'm like why they're like because you you're not with us. And it's same kind of idea that god chose favoritism. when you have direct passages in james says god does not show favoritism and you haven't hebrew six. He can't change his nature. He is love and like it or not even though it doesn't make sense to us because of all the corrupt things human beings do god love everybody. It's just hard to fathom that a being can be creator but also can have the capacity that won't change to where he loves you despite you being the worst of the worst that love is offered. And it's just something. Humans have a much more difficult time doing. We're we just can't we. We discussed function like that. I'm so i'm sorry lowdown heathen and so is everybody else. I mean well which. Which is what paul said consistently esau tweet the other day and it had it had two pictures on it and it was a picture of a guy i guess would be a middle eastern man. You know from israel today and then they're right next to it was if you've taken him and kinda put him back a couple thousand years with the same features in what basically they were saying. This is what jesus look like. In belo's interesting was which i found fascinating to find that picture incident of guys put in the podcast but the the carson who tweeted it the tweet i saw. He said i bet all you people in jesus land are gonna be upset when you see what your jesus really look like as if the also stupid that we thank you know. He had to be this picture. That you've seen through the lighters. But i was thinking up snarky you know but but like we realize jesus was a person of color along with all thousand everybody else that. Yeah when i find. Yeah what i find. Fascinating is that i've seen it on both sides people that these groups that you've been talking about with whatever it is the cancel culture whatever. What's fascinating to me. Is they'll come up with these platforms and ideas and movements and in an indirect way promote hate because you don't agree with how they're responding and then i've seen religious people who promote and justify in what they're written in the bible. I'm looking at both sides and light. You're both still full of hate mean. Where's where's the love. And that an idea. Dad i think you need to write a book and you need to base it on colossians two thirteen and fourteen games all our sands having cancelled the written owed with his regulations. I write a book and call it uncanceled. We thank god it on the way we got it on. The way help is coming. I'll help is on. You know we've been working on that project for a while now and the cancel coacher is growing bigger and bigger which shows you. The guy was in charge of that whole concept. Because look we've all been cancelled at the cross we don't have to worry about. That's the whole point. So i like it. I think we should infuse that into our the dr culture where we never really got back to accent. I'm pretty good. Pretty good discussion In terms of why. Paul i think why the almighty chosen specifically to be the vessel because no one understands you. Prejudice more than paul. I think that was the point. You're kind of looking at the big picture that god was bringing all nations together through flawed. Men i mean tall had a lot of law and we get back into it. We're gonna even flashes out more because peter's going to come back into the story a enacts as kind of last time will ris much about him but he actually is the one. That's gonna preach the first time to these gentiles mass and we're gonna see quite a big changes be interesting so will will hit that next time on shame. Thanks for listening to the unashamed. 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70. The Outsiders (1983)

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70. The Outsiders (1983)

"They so you're O'Connor welcome to forecasting KRILL Anti Jason. So happy to be. I'm excited. Davir Peterson actor. Yes he is. I've seen you in two plays people I've seen in more than one play in my life. One of them over it does it. Does it speak your feelings about theater at all although if you ask my wife? That's what I was elected. Both of the place I saw you end. She would probably say that. It does speak my attitude towards theater but luckily the two things I saw you in were excellent and you were excellent in them. You're a very good actor you've been on TV shows. You've been in movies. You were recently in Hustler's that's true. But when I asked you what your defining movie was you said the outsiders Francis Ford Coppola and Seo. Hinton's the outsiders which I. I just laughed because knowing you I was like of course like get the leather jacket. And some hair grease and you were all in. Yeah so how did you encounter this film? Tell me a little bit first of all about your your upbringing. How you grew up twenty miles directly west of us a multi everything. Suburb of New Jersey Probably middle class to upper middle class. ascended my dad was in construction and they didn't know what getting HBO was going to mean for the children for the children. And how many siblings did you have? One of each very lucky. I have a younger sister and Irish twin Eighteen months younger and I have an older brother Three years older. So who with whom I with my Confronted the outsiders. I was trying to figure out last night. Maybe nine ten freaking young okay pretty young. So it's sort of an older sibling introduction to this movie I feel S- right and it did you see it on cable. Yes and in privacy. My point was that my parents didn't know we were watching. Well I don't think it's a what is it rated? Pg Yeah so that's fair. I guess but we watch other stuff too like my eight year. Old and was puttering around last night. When I was watching this to get ready for the podcast and I was like I couldn't remember. Is there anything in this it actually ironically? Greece is more troublesome to watch with children than this sexually. Greece has a lot of like repy jokey trying to get over stuff on women. That doesn't really stand quite well this day and age TESCO time. I guess for me last night watching watching it was more that how sad how sad it is at the end is that that's really the thing and that's what we gotta do. So you were nine ten. I saw this in theaters in nineteen eighty three. When I was I think thirteen fourteen years old right in the sweet spot demo while I should say the original streets by Demo is probably if you're a thirteen or fourteen year old girl. This movie is engineered for you right As my wife Amanda said I said what is it that you like about this movie and she said all those cute cute boys. I had a crush on every one of them. Not My personal experience of the movie. May maybe it was yours. I don't know right now. I want you cute redhead but did lane gorgeous. Yeah but for us for me. I mean when I plugged into. Is that that sense of. Just how heavy you think life is thirteen or fourteen or nine or a ten year old boy. Do you think this film was melodrama. It's a question I have for you to your point. Yes definitely I mean it's over the top it's emotional pitch tone operatic. Couple had a good quote. Actually he said that. It was originally conceived as gone with the wind for teenagers. Perfect and that really is sort of emotional. Tenor of the movie right. It's overwrought. It's everything show heartfelt. I mean it's that you know. So what did you respond to? When you saw the coolness I mean okay did I mean dally. You know so early for you on legal man Matt Dally and Johnny I think were the WHO. I- interesting was most focused on. I was thinking we'll wind up. Pony Pony boy. The leading men ness of it. That almost like he's your your him more than you realize as you take yourself through the store when I step out into the bright sunlight from the darkness of the movie house had only two things on my mind on the and a ride home. Prices aimed Mister Johnny Valley. Yeah I think for for boys for men watching it. There's obviously like there's so many male characters that there's somebody that you can see yourself in if you're a sort of rambunctious wise ass you're going to be the Emilio Estevez character right. I don't know who would be the Tom Cruise character. He's the one person I feel is a little bit miscast in this movie. I don't know if you felt that no. I felt that that was an early example of him getting to do what he may have been capable of doing more of later. Editing not been so movie start and then streamline down the line yeah I think he does a great job in it really. Yeah Okay Yeah. I think once you get the idea that it's Tom Cruise NewsWatch this guy. The accent is he nails. He's kind of weird. I like it why should I be? Hero shoddy fear. He doesn't quite nail the accent. But I mean one of the things you have to give the movie. Everybody's fifteen sixteen fourteen except for Patrick swayze. Who's great forty thousand? Five hundred twenty nine was he thinks. Oh Oh Twenty. Five or twenty nine but everyone else in their teens. And so it's it's. It's asking a lot to have what I think we would expect in terms of nuanced performances in film from people who are so young craft. Except in a couple of instances where you have someone who's so fully himself in like a Matt Dillon for example as doing such a thing. Yeah but even that like it's amazing. Coppola asks them to do and let them do. And let's be in the film that you buy it because there's a washing unless there's several examples of doing quote marks. The boys like crying shares no moisture anywhere to be found right and they're and they're allowed to kind of go through that thing and you know what you're with it you're you're so into earliest. I'm with you so into the circumstances that you Kinda roll it sheriff. Well let's watch a little of the famous scene from the drive. In where see Thomas Sowell? Matt Dillon Ralph Macho. Diane Lane are in the bleacher section of the drive in not in a vehicle. She has fled the vehicle of her show she boyfriend get your feet off my chair. Shut your trap. Who's GonNa make your boyfriend liberal on? Doubt Jail. Orson sure whatever you say and I'll call the cops. Oh my got me scared to death. What am I what am I gonNA do now? Pony s-curves making we shake Salinas alone. You'll nice and leave us alone. Interest June Coca Cola seven. She's with her friend who we never. Unfortunately do we ever hear from her again? She's wonderful we did. She's great actually some Info on her. So Michelle May. Rank is the actor. Who Is Diane? Lane's best friend in the movie every brief career. She's doing the podcast. You look at a lot of MTV pages and you get to recognize. There are certain certain types of acting careers. She has a very specific one. She was active only for five years and then got out of the business. Sure but in five years I three movies outsiders valley girl revenge of the nerds and then real genius. A movie fans here on the podcast here. Remember I had this live with me. I'm here just let last night. Yes something to do with my hands. I hope about this is where. I'm pretty sure I have a brother and I use them for size and in person and have pretty good. I for that sort of thing so I just went ahead and made you one because I was up or you ping. Yeah I never sleep. I don't know what had adrover nuts. I mean really nuts to take away in an ambulance and everything. But she's okay now but she had to transfer Tunisia school. But our of that do be Michael but listen. If you ever need to talk any help saying just let me know. Because I'm just a cold down from you guys and I never sleep okay. So she got out of the business. Looks like lived happily ever after for her right. That's one way to do it. It's a wonderful early often done and lane. I mean incredible beautiful. She was me think how old she was here. I have this summer written down. So Matt Dillon was Seventeen. Dialing was sixteen. He mentioned Tom Cruise. This is the only film in one thousand nine hundred eighty three in which he did not have a starring role because other films that came out in eighty three APPs losing it football one all the right moves and risky business all came out and this. Yeah now here's the thing is going to blow your mind. This was Tom Cruise's last supporting role in a film until Magnolia in one thousand nine hundred nine every film action that he was the star of. Well that's crazy. That is crazy. The majority of these people I think have managed to have fairly decent cohesive lives and have worked pretty consistently number one. They're all live. That's a good staff as an actor yourself. What's the career aspiration now? Has IT changed? Oh Gosh that. We're going to get deep psychological now. I like the idea of consistent work being known in the business being able to work pretty much when you want and being able to get a cup of coffee with anybody bother you which is going to be an issue for me. I think I'm fine. Covered we never now. I mean. Roll away the late blooming Tom crew. That's true that's true. Well I think he wants to be more character guy. You WON'T BE THE CHARACTER ACTOR. You want to be reliable dependable. You want people to like you on the set. How much of that has to do with getting hired over the ability to do the work. Do you think Gosh I. It seems the way it's going the former's becoming more and more important than misbehavior in any form even if it can be Ascribed to wants method. Sure If it messes with other people's work you'd probably is going to tolerate. Thank God weddings. There's a well defend the actors. But I think there's a I think carrying a wheel if there's enough guys to haul the wheelchair for my left foot that sort of and some of the Christian Bale staying character this new shy of tearing that guy in New Hampshire. The fuck are you. Are you professional or not? Yes fucking walk out and ripped shut the fuck up Bruce. The why what does shut me up. I'M GONNA walk ran a rip your fucking lights down in the middle of a saint. Then why the fuck are you? Walk Right through that like in the background. What the fuck is it with you? It's not it's so hard it's so difficult if that's what it takes for him to convince himself to do the thing is this The outsiders if you read or watch anything about it I mean. Can you imagine a set filled with teenagers? Right and Coppola famously imposed this really talk about having respect for the actors like have you read about how they did the audition process like it's gotta be terrifying enough to go into a room with four or five or however many people like if you're going in for a movie role how many people are in the room anywhere from two to seven. Okay so a couple of but this was. They rented a sound a sound stage. I think in Tulsa and Oklahoma where where it was filmed and everybody has rob lowe says we walked into the studio and every actor under the age of thirty five. I mean everyone was lined up on the floor. Sitting against the wall and Francis was running the auditions and I'll never forget it. He had one of the first Tape cameras that anybody had ever seen and he was playing opera every actor in Hollywood under thirty was there outsider readings. I is Ralph Maggio as Johnny One. Very right away. Helen slater five feet eight inches. Eighteen years old. Kate capshaw Nice five seven. Can't my name's Adam Baldwin. Oh that's a great question. Eighteen twenty and February. I'd say twenty twenty one thirty. What do you think literally everyone and Coppola would say okay? Tom Cruise swayze Thomas. How will you guys do that scene? And so they would have everybody else was standing around watching right and everybody else is like everybody who was working in the business. So Michael Michael Hall is standing there. Mickey Rourke Val Kilmer all standing there watching you jump through the Senate. They're going to go do. That's crazy right. Yes yes very. Probably only effectual with young people. And only you know like I trust. I mean out of competitiveness or out of out of not knowing any better because why. If you're an adult what do you think the difference would be? You'd be more just more neurotic and and more self consumed and and it's just feel. It might feel unfair and strange and weird and who knows but part of that documentary the actors at least a cast say it started to create a Brotherhood right. But but not but they didn't mean just with the ones who got cast by the end of the day like th so you know his friends without chem it ended up being a positive experience but I think that Coppola has a big soft side to him playing opera music. There's Italian food around the FAM- director probably can be maybe a harsher experience tricky. Tricky either way. Yeah and that's also coming at an interesting time in Coppola's life and career because he's only two films removed from apocalypse now. She sang his famous flop. One from the heart. Have you seen that Gar? No Frederic Forrest Role Julia have not. It's the first Zoa true studios production which was Coppola's attempt to set something up like has happened historically throughout Hollywood. Where it's like. Wouldn't it be great if we made movies like this? Right Academy Award Winner Francis Ford Coppola and Zoe trope studios take a very special look at love one from the heart to the day. I met each time. I took a chance. I really love that. Who can't trulock you love. Baby I love you. And of course it had cost overruns and one from the heart is kind of fascinating because it's literally everything was set so like there's an airport seeing like they've built an airport including getting the nose cone of an actual jet. Everything was lit and everything was was was built in such a heightened kind of way. It's a musical. Is there anything good about it? Yeah it's it's like I said it's kind of a fascinating mess. It's definitely worth watching a documentary. That's been made about sort of not sort of what went wrong. It was a ambitious attempt to do something. That didn't really was lesson if you're a young great Italian marketing director just chilling musicals whether it's New York New York and usable have a long and complicated history of of blowing a many director but so so all these financial problems so he said like basically everything he made from kind of like cotton club to rainmaker so sort of eighty four to ninety seven was all essentially done to try and dig himself out of the financial hole that he got into it. So Trump Studio Mike. God New imagine that biggest entered when the world's best yes I'll makers and you're not financially salient all that time. Well it's probably a lot more common than you think. And the good news. It gives a reason for godfather three to exist So I will come and do another one. You're not GonNa Defend Godfather. I certainly will heater. I certainly here I certainly now. I serves no defense to that. It's the same issue with before the devil knows you're dead without the Matt. You'd think it was the better movie. Mogul well first of all that. Now you know. The brows furrowed brows narrow. So let's not. Let's not compare apples to oranges here. Okay Godfather Godfather to I mean we don councils let me just letting it causes a godfather movie. Okay I'm just saying as as movie by itself. Okay it's not a bad movie It's not a good godfather movie and it. Doesn't count in the Godfather Canon. Plus as well if you'd like to we'd like to separate it out in a way that you can't. I mean that's like you know it's a bad movie Peter. It's bad it's not a good. It's it's certainly not a fitting end to the first to it doesn't it doesn't rise to that level. No it's not true. I don't know how gone onto the godfather three because I was telling you about. How like an argument Jason? Because one from the heart caused so much difficulty in trouble Coppola so the origin story of the making of the outsiders is kind of amazing. Because there are two incredible aspects to this which I've never heard before in this will be I think our seventieth movie on the podcast. I've never heard this before. The movie exists because a teacher wrote a letter yes which is incredible teacher in Fresno California was having a hard time getting street but she said when they do read. This is the book they read their all obsessed with this book. You should make a movie of this book. It's right and she sent a letter not to couple of NAPA ZOA TRO location. Where a woman who worked for him said they received so much mail all the time that he'd never would have been opened and pass along but she sent it to his New York office where he happens to open. Read this well and it was signed by something like thirty schoolchildren mall and they show it in the documentary these adorable little signatures and typed letter saying we love this book. We think it makes a great movie and we think you should go because he had done in adaptation of another young adult novel previous to this he did black stallion nineteen seventy-nine. Yeah that's right. It looks different than black beauty or they both in the same. I think it's the Black Stallion Alan. That's a different thing than black beauty. I think it's different but which ones Coppola black stallion. Yeah that sounds right. I've I've heard Coppola say that. He has a policy or at least had policy of never turning down a request from child if he cannot all this part of the. That's correct unbelievable. So I guess I better read the book and see what I think they did. It wasn't Hollywood so he had his producing partner. Read the Book Fair Fair. He's got things to do. But Yeah Yeah. It's pretty good and I think at that point in his life he said you know what the idea of getting away from Hollywood and all the bullshit he was dealing with and sort of jumping into this world and Tulsa Oklahoma with all these teenagers and kind of that Lake. You're saying that artistic thing and when you look at some of the behind the scenes footage which is incredible because he shot the entire movie on early. Vhs for two to three weeks before they ever actually filmed the movie or rehearsal. And so in the making of doc you can see all this. Vhs footage of a lot of the scenes that you've come to know. Wow and he also had an airstream trailer outfitted with an edit suite so that it could be on location and they can start to like look at the vhs things. Start to edit the film he also put the SOC kids. Yes in a nice hotel and had the grease who are the stars of the movie in Lake? Some schlocky joint kept them separated will. They're in the same hotel but they are on a higher floor and the Greece's are on the fourth floor. The did you hear. Did you see the C Thomas? Sowell anecdote about the sports thing because that was another thing that they did to sort of Inculcate this social versus degreasers thing so see Thomas Hotels this amazing story of getting to his hotel room getting set up somebody knocking on the door and gives him a pair of gray sweatpants and a t shirt that says degreasers on it and a plastic bound copy of the script has name on it and he thought. Wow this is great have arrived. He goes to the soccer match. The Socialist get out of a bus beautiful full button. Tracksuits is leather leather sneakers. You've got like a pair of canvas converse sponsored by these. Every now any saw that they all had leather bound scripts right. They're like those mother fuckers. He does. He's like we beat the shit out of that day so good. Do you think the class issue did that resonate with you and you saw it had to make fun of myself. Scotch Plains New Jersey where I'm from. We had a north side in this house. Yeah we did more of the more in the north side which was more blue-collar okay not as nowhere. Near as extreme as the movie we pride ourselves for sure like the Middle School in the South Side. There were all preppy. Parents had Mercedes and all that and we had you guys. Were good at sports sports but but we had that one blow up where the mother or the mother and the sun were on a plane to Sicily to. Am type of stuff. Oh are you talking about well you know. Oh I see you're talking about some family. Coppola types different types of family right right right so so there was that feeling for sure and even just so playing like traveling soccer. The kids from the side. You just tell they just. They had more sounds was wealthy. The North side was more blue collar. And so there was that point of pride so of Being from the rougher quote for we refine rough streets Scotch plains. We were fine but you know we. We had kids getting food stamps and we had some you know some some edgier spots so there's a little bit of that identification. Yeah I think I remember now. You're so early. I was so self conscious at the time of placing yourself in the hierarchy of your school and who has what. Where do you fall right and I think a movie like this when you see it and your thirteen years old or whatever taps into that that thing that as you get older you're sort of it's not that it's less of a pressure or less of a stress or any less difficult to kind of live but you learn sort of either to cope with it or to put it in perspective or not have that define you and the way that it feels like it defines you at that powerlessness of that version of the panic when it when people who are older. You're supposed to be taking care of it when you're an adult and you're like well. He's you know whether you have agency right but you still carry that. I mean you a little bit over the years. You still have a little bit of the blue collar chip on your shoulder for sure. Since I started late in didn't go to juilliard and didn't go to even an Undergrad. A business degree Shar Notre Dame he went to Notre Dame fighting Irish so my ship is probably outsider if I may probe the an outsider view that I didn't come up in theater and I didn't. I didn't have a network. I ended up that sort of that sort of thing and it was easy to get there being from Irish immigrants. It's funny that you say that because if you look at this movie. None of these kids at the time they're making. The outsiders are coming up in any traditional unintended to juilliard here. Through thank you and maybe it's different now where there's more people take it. More seriously than industry has has maybe sprung up a little bit more about training actors and then mobbing them into a lot more fucking actors. Yeah a lot more actors and also you look at the auditions and a lot more talented mike sue anywhere near the level. I've gotten two fucking talented. Yeah that's when you're looking at the actors reading for this who are pretty well known and some about big. Tv Glenn Scott Pelley. Yeah like this kid was working like almost like the second lead on a huge Sitcom but none of them were none of them. Had like some of them had star. This careers made a lot of career. So it's interesting when you look at it that now you say you know the training aspect of it all that which is like GonNa give a shit about that whether you good or on camera. They don't start getting going getting a good agent and being known at least in New York Charlotte see more of a New York thing right well a lot of times in the movies that we've done that have tremendous results. Moonstruck comes to mind. This movie comes to mind. Twelve angry men as well. These are films. Wear these directors had rehearsal. Time both Roth Macho man. You ruined us like we kept waiting in our career young careers for director to treat us the same way and it never happened ever like. Let's get together. Let's run through the script. Let's do the whole movie a couple of times. Which is what they did on Moonstruck they. Shanley who direct tra- Jewison Norman Jewison and they treated it like a play and they did the rehearsal and the opening night was the filming and the timing in that movie. When you go back and look at it which is almost so unbelievable as to not even be visible. Y'All have to watch it for this and when you watch it for this especially in the late dinner sequence Jack It's insane. It's math at the highest level nominee mass at the highest level. And the only way that's possible. They earned the earned the family speaking of acting. Let's look at some acting right. Let's play another clip here. Cool this is one of the more famous clips from the movie and one of the more I guess indelible is the word memorable unforgettable once you see this image. You will instantly go probably. That was your pretty slack missed. What's pretty you know? Golden silver to bed can't stay like that all the time. Nothing go can stay. Nature's for screen his colt her hardest. Hue to hold early of flour but only so now the leaf sights to leave so even say to create a because down to a nothing. Gold can stay learn rather frost house Mavericks Never Quite knew what he meant by noticed clouds and stuff to remind me about kind of like. Yeah I don't think I could ever Tell Steve. Two or even dare about the clouds and sunset just you and soda pop maybe Cherry Balance. Guess we're different shift? Maybe there. It's Great. He's so good by these amazing carries the whole movie. So good Ol boys on this kid. Schaller's center percent. It's amazing amazing. I didn't really realize that because you think of all these other big name but his earpiece Tim and he has to have some people in the making of talk about his Gravitas. At this age he has that enemy. He has the the way to the import like. He's the character I gravitate to Li- any cares it lightly. There's just here he's good. Gosh this scene is amazing. Because I learned something cinematographer. I think where the editor was talking about. If you want to film a scene that takes place at sunset. Guess what you can't in the basis of its changing that things are changing. So you're GonNa do it again. You missed it so the way they did this rather long seen set at sunset in this beautiful crazy panavision image imagery that they use whole film shot in Panavision so for this they used a technique where they filmed that backdrop they filmed that sunset and then this scene is actually taking place inside a large sound stage with a huge screen. Set up in front of them on which that sunset is projected and then they are filled against that backdrop. That's different from green screen. They're they're projecting the thing they already shot live in so the boys experienced brats was named for that exact thing. That's that's Kobuk. I'm all for it. I think it's called standing in front of giant projector. Go there is another one. That's that's gone with the wind. Seen this that's a win for teens like you get it. And they read with the wind in the end they regardless of the movie. There is a technique. I wish I wrote it down because it was a funny. It was a finding remember when they're in the church. The church on fire and the beam falls on Johnny. Yeah obviously you can't have a flaming beam on macchia right. So there's a karate kid don't do that there's technique it's called Pinocchio Mirror or something and it's basically involves forty five degree sheet of glass upon which you you project the falling timber and the camera shooting through the glass at Macho who somewhere else and they basically match a timber that fell on him. That wasn't going to kill him with the flaming timber. That's being projected onto the glass and it looks like it. Its him but it's real time they do that in real time. They yeah I mean. I don't think they would do this. Now 'cause you just use digital effect graze the teacher the male teacher at the fire and then in the hospital. He's like the woman teachers like he's like. Oh there's no there aren't around March right. Let's let's go to the old abandoned in church with rats crawling around and they don't understand who these these four and five year olds on this field trip. There's a couple of strange choices so you know the we haven't even mentioned yet. Shame on US Jason. This book was written by a sixteen year old girl. Yes they changed during use. Initials could sell the book day by eight six year old girl based on some of her experiences growing up in a situation like this yes and as you said before this book is a part of the American cannon when my nephews my nephews both read it in school. Yeah Yeah and I was. I was watching movie. You know but I just love it. I love that that someone that young and female wrote this. It's crazy awesome. I actually posted an instagram. That we were doing this today. And one of my previous guests Beca can I send something you grew up in the seventies and eighties? You read these books you read. Se Hans Books and they were part of your life and you probably saw this moving said fish for kids now are just went through a phase where they read all the books. Yes and that scene I think is why because what she's so brilliant able to do is probably because she was a woman she's able to write these male characters both having difficulty yet expressing themselves in a way that is truthful. It's not put upon. We felt like this. We had thoughts and feelings. Ralph muchas character. Johnny says that's how I felt but I never knew how to say it right. That's such a such a boy thing. I've got these feelings but I'm either haven't been taught how to express them allowed to allowed to express them and because I think it comes from female. She took the inner life of boys quite seriously and put it in these characters in ways that feel very realistic and I guess timeless because it's sold like fourteen million books and I. I know this is true that this book still sells more than five hundred thousand copies a year. Love it which is crazy so yes. She was sixteen years old fifteen and sixteen years old. Susan Hinton published under the name ACN so that people would think it was a man the which is crazy and she's pretty funny about the experience of working on the movie. Did you see the anecdote about seeing Coppola for the first time her now at the rehearsals? Now th- really funny she So she's showing up. She's so super nervous Because it's Francis Ford Coppola like the Godfather Oculus all these things. So she sees him in. The first thing she says is a real problem with you. Making this movie Francis Being Francis kind of like okay. Let's talk about it. Let's get to the Bino. Let's let's work this out on the sandwich. Just well you know with the Godfather and black stallion. You both made movies. That were better than the book. And so are you. GonNa do that to me. Oh My god he realized she was kidding and then they became fast friends is she was very involved. Which I think is also to Francis his credit like he didn't just grabbed the source material. And like thank you. Please get away so I can do what I WANNA do right. He had the smarts to be fearful to it collaborative. You know Anything and she says she's like whatever it says. On the movie I wrote the screenplay with Francis Together. They're on the set. Wow so it's pretty cool. She's a funny character. As you mentioned also much onto alternative casting back among the people that were seen for Cherry Kate capshaw and Helen Slater member. Helen slater of the. This is before your time. Helen slater was like the IT Blonde Girl of her era in Hollywood choosing much Michael J. Fox movies. I think she was in secret to my success. Kate capshaw obviously went on to marry Steven. Spielberg Right Anthony. Michael Hall Pony Boy. He saw a little his audition a did not all these show is him trying to read the cold. I green is gold. Her hardest Hue to hold early. Leaves the flower but only saw one hour. Let's assume you probably have some good stuff later. Glenn Scott Pelley for pony boy. He could've done it or you can john to me. He's more than more macchia. A Vincent. Spano for Dylan's character Adam Baldwin and big Adam Baldwin Fan to and Baldwin my bodyguard. Yes with my dad's offshore. Dad Damn fool let me all. I said No. You're not allowed to. He got man. He grabbed it and fired. Gatos laughing was laughing. Gushed out inside of his head and he didn't even know it. You know what he was worried about. It was afraid. When Dad got home he gets spanked. I said to me you're GONNA have to take the blame for this. I couldn't even do that right. I lied I put the gun in his anti said I found him. That way. Never told anyone. I've wanted to do my body yard on the podcast for a long time. Yeah it's Chris. Makepeace Matt Dillon. And Adam Baldwin is Lindor men is so good great American film performances so that great the Green Army Jacket. Oh that's so good. That is a great movie Tony. Bill Darren Dalton read for Dallas. But he plays the station the movie who he plays the the bridge building British OC- Sherry is the kind of diplomats. And they're not going to have chains and he's the one who said after the associates are killed. He says hey. Can I talk talk during the park? Didn't tell his friends. I think you know that that friend of yours. The one that got burned you die tonight. You're even people get hurt and killed right chataway know that don't you? It doesn't matter if you win you'll still be where you were before the body and we'll still be the lucky ones at the top with all the breaks doesn't matter increase. There's still decreases will still be SOCI- doesn't matter. Anyway thanks Greece. Hey I didn't mean that I meant thanks kid be nice talking to you Randy Rickman. When is pony boy and he becomes the poet he opens up and shows his saw side and says it doesn't matter who wins this rumble. You guys are GonNa be the man. Nothing's GONNA fucking change. It's really rating Estevez. Estevez pants were flooded staff your face into guerrilla cookie funny. He was great. He was only good so good. And it's crazy to think that couple cast because when he was making apocalypse now obviously the kids running around the set in the Philippines. Maybe he owed the family something if they're giving his father a heart attack. He's like yeah. Let Me Start Your job. Search kids film career. Val Kilmer as you mentioned I think was going to be in the movie but was doing a play. Wow and if he if he went forward with the movie you would have had to pull out of the play which I think Sean Penn was into law and they tell the story that had he pulled out of the play. The whole thing would have collapsed. Play in the play. We add people lost jobs and all this kind of stuff so he stayed with the play as opposed to be in this and then I think went on and did real genius. I think right after this which is another great movie. Scott Baio strange. Dennis Quaid Scottdale strange because we know him as Charles in charge. But it's got bail would have played. Johnny never now. The Abbot though would have been so weird. It's like seeing Glenn Scott Pelley. It would be. It would have been so undone to have these. Tv Czar he had already Chachi Hitachi. Fair Fair Yeah. You wouldn't want that would have already been in full joanie loves Chachi mode been distracting. Maybe and now. He's a trump supporter. So it fits. Is he trousers? Mr Mamat right wing. I don't know if he's trump's word but he's a Republican. Look on. Well maybe you should have been a little more open to different acting styles and he would have been less. He's a Republican in a beret. Not a lot of those. It's true. Okay well we have to play this clip to cool. This is the scene that leads up to the deaths of Bob played by Leif Garrett who I completely forgot was in this movie and was arguably probably the biggest star amongst these kids a cigarette. Popstar what was? He was huge singer. Now child actor. He was new dancing convinced he was a good actor. He hasn't been a great actor. Did he die? No career did but they way. Here's a johnny and pony boy in the park. This is gross. What are you guys? Know what the Rene's man who tried to pick upon a women ready territory now you you guys better watch it no POW YOU BETTER WATCH. You guys know increases on. Why tracks with long greasy hair? You notice what white trash must've and then it's on and that results in Johnny Killing Leif Garrett with an inciting incident. Yeah you know. It's also about that and this movie fear young boy. Fear being afraid Janis terrified in fact he's having like post traumatic stress over just the sight of the rings that beat him up and brought him the scars on his face. He's reaching for his knife because with the rings and there's a couple scenes like that with Johnny boy feels deeply and his terrified and afraid and not a rambler. No Johnny scared because he says stay cool. Yeah and there are kind of together. These are the things I think. I don't know if it's a thing or not but I think at this age is kind of like you can have these male friendships that our show so strong and bonded where it's kind of like the first time you tell someone everything right. That's going on in your life right. Girls probably do that a lot earlier than we do. And if you get caught in trouble something goes down. You are in no matter what right. Go as bad as it needs to get sure aren't going to abandon that person. You're right you're in yes. Yeah so that's just one of the great things. Okay so when you watch this. It's Matt Dillon for you is that who you and Johnny and Madden Gymnast. Show yeah okay. Yeah and see I thought I was GonNa say I thought I thought in my mind like oh he was already kind of wanted to be an actor and it was like the Matt. Matt Dillon would have been a thing for you to simile kind of Irish. Looking Guy for sure legally. He's getting Irish name. The Irish down to bars somewhere around here really. Yeah yeah either just actor. So that wasn't a thing all know I saw the godfather when I was fifteen right and had a There was a moment watching. Michael think wasn't even talking and I was transported and I came out of it different and I went home and said my mom in. Oh I was staying the renaissance as I think I want to be when I grow up rows ONS man. So what does that mean? Say if I could act in one movie as good as its but then I kept. This still kept secret until a lot for a long time. Really Interested in elective senior in college. Took an acting class for the first time. And then even after. Then it's still not so my mid late twenties. Try to try to do it. It's funny you mentioned. That seemed like that and the Gotha because when you watch that now. Godfather One godfather to show much of what Pacino does. It's so funny that he has such a out size reputation for going show over the top subsequent to that and before that because in that movie. It's the stillness. The Hood -ness of the is the lack of verbosity yet. All that stuff going on behind the is is what gives that character such lethal presence and power in the movie so it can be blown away by that at that age is impressive. Because that's what they were after and it was not a obvious choice at the time that era of movies. You're in kind of a new Hollywood. Like everything is like we're talking like regular people were getting it all out into kind of think famously. The studio sort of Salt Lake doing anything Francis. Why don't you just sitting there? Like what is this Guy Doing? He's not there's no there's no action there in fire they're gonNA find they're gonNA find them in the first place. So yeah so yeah. That's amazing. Maybe maybe you get to if you ever got a neat Al Pacino. You could tell them that story. I was driving I ten years. You were yeah. I think I knew that. Yeah you drove Pacino for ten years. Yeah Stories we're GONNA have to wait on. I'm not GonNa ask you tell US school. I want to ask you to answer a question for me. Because years ago I was in Santa Monica and I was leaving Blue Plate whatever blue plate waster bar on on Santa Monica in Santa Monica and there was a beautiful Mercedes in the parking lot and the license plate said Pacino. One never know. That's what I thought never but who would do that. I guess in Hollywood inches and Wacko. No he was made wait. Wait WAIT WAIT. Okay hold up. I'm not GonNa ask you to tell tales out of school but for ten years you drove Al Pacino in New York City. I'll come back and do another episode when the time is right. Yeah he he only hires actors okay. So there's there's a crew of a couple of US okay and find you when he's in who knows people are GonNa find you. Another guy who drove for him. Came to me was like you have a driver's license another actor and you're like yeah. Yeah he's like. Do you WANNA drive train and train. Somebody's like no don't do this. Don't do you get to know who likes you. Get to know his life and the police. Are you gotta practice because once you do it the first time it's kind of intense? It's not a chauffeur job. He's in the front seat with you and you the front seat in the radio's off. What's he doing is he? He's working because he's got to play under one leg script script on the on. The on. The Dash flew here coffee. He's he is so sweet and funny are you talking. Is there Tony when he wants to? I mean later I felt much more comfortable to kind of try totally be myself. And he's amazing. I have nothing but great things either. They're a understood division that you're not going to get work from this or is that part of the maybe. I you know I. I don't think that's a great way. Go into it thinking that you're Gonna. I'll tell you quit Kabul. Well I'll tell you. This is Peter Peter in your mind. You can't tell me you didn't think one can. I'm going to do this job. And Al Pacino is going to cast me in his next movie to movie star. One can hope that's what I would think. One can hope that something might come of it but but I thought well ever since this guy was famous he said nothing but actors who aren't as successful at trying to get him to help them and that's not going to be my Mo. That's not what you do. That's Awesome Job. That's part of the fans and he stopped auditioning after the other so like Zimbabwe. He's so detached from whatever it is and this is a story out safely tell Ca. He had a friend who was an actor and one day. He said to me in the car and actor with a career Or is somewhat yeah somewhat and he said Peter do you have an agent and I said this is a while ago at the time. Yeah Yeah Allie. He's kind of Rinky. It's not sure not a great but but yes he said. Oh I see I see. Do you think could get my friend a meeting with your agent. That's the business that's incredible. That's the business. Wait is that. Because he doesn't want to call and put on that person is has. No business is not going to matter. Who Cost share. You should be a favor. There would be a drawer. This is the reality summit looks from the outside that everyone has to go with the level of their I. Now so that's all it is but when people would ask like you could again is going to help. Here's what you need to know. That's it that's it yes. I got an audition because of Al for the. Who's the Euthanasia movie the HBO Kevorkian Kevorkian And I got to go into Ellen. China with and do the scene a paraplegic. Who's like fighting off? Tikos throw a chair. Couldn't couldn't couldn't throat you call back and and I had like a like a really good audition audition because of him he said you don't trouble trouble Pacino with these details. He has a guy who runs everything okay and presumably by that point he might. He probably intimate. Hey if I can help you you know so I said. Hey there's this role in this thing instead of the guy the guy who runs everything and he made a call and I didn't get the part but it but you gotTa look and I've gone back to that office time and that's what you really want. Wow so yes. And and also say that he always wants to know if when his actors are working. So he when he'll get in the car if you're in a play or you're doing something he'll purposely ask you about it and when I got on this Irish mafia Tv series public more Burns yet. He was over the moon. Jason Real it was so sweet he was over the an interest in it took real interesting wash it. He probably not put. He wanted to hear about a sharp. He said this big at this was bolstering me and it was. It was amazing. That's great yeah that's amazing. What an experience. Yes what an experience. So then what does this still happen? Do you think someone drives him around. Yeah Yeah you don't do this anymore. I don't do it anymore. Mazing yeah I also take the car also amazing newspapers. No they wouldn't read the post or The New York Times. You had scripts plays scripts and plays and then you know he's always I mean it's hard to comprehend what it is to to be a person like that yes. There's so much on you at all times. You know towering film career of epic proportions and yeah. Yeah it's it's a lot all the time so That's amazing that speaking about Dylan. Do you know now if you know my bodyguard. Are you a fan of over the edge? I don't know that we don't know that. That's a teen. Angst movie from the early Seventies. I WANNA think might even be one of Matt Damon's earlier Matt Damon Matt Dillon's earlier roles. Here's a little clip of him. Oh cool this is sort of like one of the first suburban on we teen movies. All these kids ended up moving to this kind of California planned community and their parents are all strivers. Welcome to New Granada where people come to escape. City life has safe streets. Clean air good schools. It's a perfectly planned community but something strange is happening. Something that wasn't part of the plan seems to me like you always such a hopped up very to get out of the city to turn kids into exactly what you're trying to get away from something that could grind this town over the edge to take these home to your parents to let them know about a special emergency meeting to discuss the problems about you. People Queue tells it another thing. I don't know how many of us are willing to admit. Just how deep in trouble. Some of the kids in the city all tend to is rising. You people talk about these kids like a bunch of animals. Tempers are your son. Some of his friends are part of this signing his friends. A part of this time is running out and something's got to explode. I is under control. They were old enough to know better too young to care and now this town is over the ED. Something terrible happen well. Rich gets shot dead while being chased by a cop again again typecast for for a little too. Yeah it's a great movie highly. Recommend it. It's one of those movies that made like a real real impression on me as a young child. Yeah why I just because again. It's this it's this teenage on we. It's this kind of like you're not. Nobody understands you. Your parents don't understand you know you're sort of just in that you're in between your your twelve or thirteen or fourteen year like you're not. You're still a child. I don't know if it's the case with this movie but it struck me this morning thing about the outsiders you do not see a parent. There are no parents in. This movie is a silhouette fighting through a window. Johnny's true right you're right so it's apparently universe wherein and some that is true the case here someone. I think it's similar but I think they`re. They're more as the kind of the detached detached misunderstanding. Like right we don't get going on your kids kind of thing originalists but you're right. The parentless aspect of the outsiders is a big thing about it. It's that like Lord of the flies kind of like you know we're in a world unto ourselves. Yeah like the poverty of the of the north side. They're already have to act like adults. Throughout the world on their own and the presumed emotional detachment of of the rich parents. Were at the country club leaving. Leave the kids with the mustangs to Diaz to get drunk and go terrorize the porchet. And there's actually a lot of impressively kind of layered stuff where the kids like come home. And they're sort of like standing out in front of the House and the parents are visibly fighting and yelling and screaming and Silhouette and it's not that their unaffected by it but they sort of have had to develop the coping method. It's not like Oh my God that's happening. I have no idea what to do now. They're SORTA LIKE. Oh boy all right. Let's go to the park for awhile. Normalized normalized yeah. I love it. Pretty says he's like I'm going to sleep here and says well if you get cold come to the house. I'm thinking just taking the house. Now take down your boys. We need it. That's fair so dylan gotTA play this. Because of all his of all his things. Is this the most west? This is most well known for giant giant. It's hard to express how big thing Matt Dillon was like. That was a thing that just was almost kind of like James Dean like right. That's the word in my head was James Dean. I mean my God was it just as looks. Let's let's have a Matt Dillon. Moment here let's say this to straight guys I'M GONNA kick out on. That Dylan has been in some movies that I really admire his performances yet. He's not someone I he's not someone I'm going to say is a great actor in the way I appreciate like Philip. Seymour Hoffman in terms of versatility and emotion. The amount of like emotional depth. Maybe that's presented. Maybe good Lord. Can he do the thing he can do? Yeah it's like the cary grant line against you fucking try. So that's what he does this. This is Hannah Glee. That voice out of some other things. Yeah it's you know what I mean. It's just amazing. To contemplate the quickly formed seventeen. It was evident in my bodyguard. He was probably fifteen. Isn't there a movie in before they're using little darlings one thousand nine hundred which I have as my body yard over. The edge was his first film. The one I was just telling you there. You're shooting a gun and the thing. Yeah so thou seventy nine. This is eighty three. So what did I say? He was sixteen here fifteen. He seventy outsiders so he's seventeen so eighty three to nineteen seventy-nine however many years that is and then You know just happy for an actor that has been somewhat older relegated to their to the thing they know that they can do and then they get a shot and for him that he got shot. Crash was the shot you NASCAR nomination. Didn't see it Well I missed that too but I think there's other stuff going on in two thousand dollars just so happy for him because he got to do something What about to die for? He's incredible in to die for that like a satire with Nicole Kidman. Yes it's a gus. Van Zandt ex-control Kim and Matt Dillon his brilliant. He's really really good in it. Goes Fans and could do no wrong and then what about drugstore cowboy amazing? That's a that's a good one to point out. Because he carries he carries that. I think that was the first time I think that's the first time in his career where you were kind of like a real actor here after any kind of drug haul. Everyone crew indulged laugh to myself as I pictured blues delighted and such creative mouse. The spoon literally be overflowing pawn entering my fame. Drug and start a war. Mitch that would surge along until the brain consumed it in gentle explosion. That began back up. The neck rose rapidly until I felt such pleasure that the whole world sympathizing took on a soft lofty appeal. Everything's grand then you. Worst enemy wasn't so bad grass just when they're thing every took on the rosy hue of unlimited success you could do no wrong and as long lasting life is beautiful so before that so over the edge little darlings my bodyguard. Liar's moon tax outsiders. Rumble Fish Alameda. Kid I always love. That's a good one. He's the Cabana boy. See that now. But that's eighty four. Then there's a long stretch where the like many actors like. There's there's always a long stretch after the first launch. We're then they kind of don't really know what to do with you. Unless you just want to do the same thing over and over and over again which right to his credit seemed like he didn't want to deal with picturing him dragging a suitcase with a dead body in it and someone says to him in the lobby their body. They're is no was that Jesus will Was it a comedy? No no Albino Elliott. She may have killed his girlfriend or something really bad like is that a recent one no nine hundred ninety s we. Here's another great another great one singles singles cliff. Oh God is one of the great farm cliff cliff. Hey found out very nice hide. You're wearing and I don't mean in any high school kind of way. Thanks plus you Does everybody this think just South Clifton products. Here's the thing with him that I think he's hilarious comedy. Work Larry. Me Is Insane hilarious. He's a brilliant comic actor. Yeah which is something about Mary something about Mary. Yeah but it's so weird that like he's not someone who's technique on the drama side. Does it for me yet? I would say like Oh my God. Highest level brilliant comedic actor. Because usually if you're if you can be funny you can kind of do everything else I always think. But maybe that's not the same thing. I don't know what I mean. I know we're going to you got to be good. You gotTa have Great Tiny. You have to have intelligence. You have to have depth right. You have to be able to play. Thank depth to be great comedy per se. But but you usually usually do well. You can't have your head up your ass. You got to be in the world to be funny at and understand tone and all these things to understand other people right right right you could be Daniel day-lewis and insists that everyone carries around in a wheelchair. We could argue whether or not. That's acting you know what I'm saying. If you want to be funny so where are you? So so. You're saying on Balance Your Matt? Dillon is good actually. Yeah I'm not saying he's not a good actor because no one can have the career that had no but I will say that the performance I love the most are the ones that have the comedy in them. Yeah this for me in. This is is a curiosity performance so stylized with his voice and his looks temp. I mean that's seventeen year old kids. We can't really be stylized at Seventeen. You just are yes. He's doing his thing his voice. Here's the thing. His his thing is Israeli. Fucking call it at school. That's what it comes down to and yet even at that young age in my bodyguard he's much puncture. He's much less powerful. Yes he's A. He's a weaker bully type. It's a different flavor true in and maybe the same world because he's a quote tough guy but it's a different flavor Also throw this out. There does the industry let you or would he let himself were he smart. Show the type of Range of emotion that might detract from the somewhat iconic image. That's gotten you to the point your at particularly as a man particularly as a tough handsome man. I think that makes sense. Yes it makes one hundred percent since. I think if you if you look like Matt Dillon and you have that voice at fifteen sixteen which first of all going back. His voice is three actives deeper than our voices together at fifteen put together so if you have that look and you have that voice in someone points a camera at you. That is a star like it doesn't matter and in a different era of Hollywood he would have been an iconic western star. That's GonNa Gary Cooper. He would have been someone who kind of made. Hey without having to do all the emoting of taking taking jobs from Leo's character yes turns you know by the time yes that is A. That's it so but like when he's funny he sleighs he slayed which I wonder. Here's I have this theory. Okay this is one of the things that bugs me about about. Madeleine is that he never just like settled down got married and had kids. I think that as an actor. It has limited him because essentially hasn't he lived the life of an overgrown teenager for fifty years as a playboy. I don't know I don't know much about. I didn't know that much about these. Mr Single Guy Forever. He's like dating. Yeah actually saying and had he. What is your theory? Had he settled down and had a family. You think the experience of being married and having kids opens you opens you softens you. I do yeah I do I bet it does I mean I think it I think that it places you in the world in a different way and if I thought about this I bet you I could make an argument that some of the actors for me personally. The actors that I respond to this is why I'm abroad. Guy Less Eleo Guy. Although Leo Blew Me Away and once upon a time in Hollywood. I'm not usually a big fan of his. I think this reason and it just happens to be so similar that he's also like a a guy pushing fifty who you know has no children has never had you know a marriage or any of those things or a life partner. Right but brad to me. That's what that's what I there's a. There's a door that's open in him that. I can walk through not be yours announcing that because you can personally relate to him you know he can personally relate to you and you're saying there's an openness ceiling is feeling because of his experiences have deepened. I think so I think that as as parents certainly I probably put more weight on that probably as a parent myself right but I think yes but but but so that. So you're telling me because of that like one of my favorite Leo performances is the department. I was shocked and pissed that he didn't get that rubber. Got asking instead of the fucking sense here but the writing was the writing. The writing was the original but okay Japanese Korean so but look at how. He's he's good blaming he should have gotten so he. He deserves the nomination. He got right for once upon a time in Hollywood. I'm just saying that there's a certain there's a okay. There's a remove that I find and I think one of the things that a lot of the actors that I find this with have in common is what I'm talking about now. There's a remove with Brad too. Brad is not. He's not like warm in Huggy and dislike throwing it all out there. He's very reserved. There's a there's a thing with Brad that is that depth behind the eyes and and I think brad has become a very good actor. He's become a very good craftsman whereas we did some early. We did Seven on the podcast. Which is phenomenal movie? But he's so young and he's still doing a lot of the ticky hand acting and he's relying on a lot of stuff that young actor probably relies on but I think as he's aged and maybe not coincidentally as he got sober in the last couple of years and turned in really for me. What is his most soulful inaccessible performance in once upon a time in Hollywood I haven't seen Ad Astra yet but here that's also similarly a very open accessible role. I think that's part of we all have things that cause us to wall off very. We all want to preserve something of ourselves as an actor. I would imagine. I'm not an actor so I don't know this just speculate on from the sidelines and take potshots at you. Do put yourselves out there and make yourselves vulnerable. But I think as an active job is to put it out there. That's the job but I I've come to believe that if you as an actor have something. You're unresolved with yourself or you. You're not really willing to let people in a certain way that you're never going to really connect with your audiences and I think when you have kids you you don't have. You don't have personal time anymore. You don't have safe space to just be yourself and do this and do that. Your your time is not your own your life is now your own and you love that and you give yourself to it right now. I'm not saying that you have to have kids and you have to be in a heterosexual relationship in order to obtain these things. Were to be a successful actor in any way but I do think with actors. I wonder if we did a study and we looked at. You know who chose? This lashed out shows that lifestyle. I wonder if there's anything to it. I don't know as I said that's why I'm abroad. Guy Haven't really been Eleo guy today because he's not a man yet he he still feels boy doesn't he know but I'm but I'm also without wife and kids so I gotta give you this one but but my my litmus test would be if you could have a control experiment where you didn't know anything personal life and then he looked at the work. You're projecting onto the promo possible to know it's not impossible. It's probably all of it. Difficult projecting onto it. There's no like Pacino. Never been married. But he's got he's got kids you know who are the guys who are who are the actors that are your people say Deniro but you know but you know what the reason was the reason. It became an act that experience. Did you ever get to tell him that in the fucking car? So here's what happened. I ended up going to L. A. Briefly and then staying and then I got to do anti Baker play a west coast near Baker. Play in San Francisco dropped off invitations. Mr Coppola and because I was thinking I was going to stay on the west coast. I wouldn't be coming back to New York to drive. I wrote Al The letter. Okay said the thing and I don't think I said those exact words but maybe a word the reason. I became an actor because of the scene in the game. Probably Gosh I have a copy of it then photocopy. As soon as I said I have a copy of the archives. I probably did say that in the letter. Yeah I did and then wrote me let Iraq jet sweep and then I came back to New York driving more. By the way I used to say Pacino's the reason I became an actor and then once I started to try to become an actor and then fill hell okay so it was interesting off man. Yeah it was hard that that was that was those I mean he was. That's a whole other thing. That's not even like it's kind of like with walking. It's it makes me uncomfortable to watch sometimes because there is so much being given to it that it's phenomenal like I found the master really hard to watch for that reason alone mostly for Joaquin's performance which is phenomenal. But both of them again. Feel like he does it in the joke or two. I think he doesn't the joker to my God but I love Philip Seymour. Hoffman again another brilliant comic actor moneyball. Here's off nominal pissed that goes. Just throw in fucking airballs in along came polly. Who are you kidding? Dallas hilarious almost in a different movie in a funny way in in the Belsky This study as you can see the various combinations awarded honorary degrees CETERA. Very impressive please. Feel free to inspect that on really please please. That is the key to the city of Pasadena which Mister Lebowski received two years ago in recognition of his various civic. Oh that's the Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce Business Achiever award which is given. Oh not necessarily given every year even worthy is somebody because this him with Massey's indeed that is Mister Lebowski with the first lady taking won Miss Lebowski on the left there of course Mister Lebowski on the left a captain Mister Lebowski is disabled. Also Charlie Wilson's war awesome. Where he's Gust Stub Rocus or whatever. His name is. He's so fucking funny in that. Movie and brilliant may go fuck myself. And I'm supposed to apologize. Break my window. I'm supposed to Helsinki job was marred. Helsinki job was nudge. Yours if it was yours you'd being out who is a moth is no longer the director of European operations. He does not make those appointments. I were made not by me. I've been with the company for twenty four years. I was posted in Greece for fifteen pumping three wins that election. I don't help. They'll hooked up. Take him prisoner advising on the Hellenic. Army I've neutralize champions of communism. I've spent the past three years running. Finish which you come in Handy here in Virginia. And I'm never ever sick at sea so I want to know why I'm not going to be your Helsinki station. Chief your course excuse me. That's like he's definitely the best of his generation hands down right. Yeah I'm not putting him. And Sean Penn you know Sean Penn must be old must have been a little. I mean let's see the died at forty six fifty two. Okay so that's Brad Leo. Lia's younger liles forty four. Leo's forty four. It's Brad it's still it's I think. Sean Penn fifty six all right. There's no issues fifty trust me. This is a big difference. You get there. You'll know okay I have to say Meryl Streep I mean I think we all as guys we sometimes forget to mention. I try on the POD action. I don't know if you do this. I've tried I've learned on the PODCAST. I I don't say actress anymore. If I can remember I I the correct correct correct people men. I correct men. Everyone's an actor I even like keep Meryl Streep at a distance as someone to be Because the spire. It'd be it's the it's not even fair to yourself to look at someone who's that no other worldly. I got to meet her in my underwear in my underwear she would play in your underwear. I was in a play and changing from costume and say and She was axed age. She came backstage. Her daughter was in the play. That was great. How well I think this next scene will give you some words deliver. We do and family time. Where are you GONNA go? This is our last. Outsiders clip can be social man. We chase ran out of a neighborhood. Useless eight new toils about in the paper. You know that you being hero row prouty. But he's going to be boy. Stay gold pulling book that sets off the tragic sequence of events which will lead to Matt Damon being shot and killed the second. Time in a filament is young career Dylan Damien. What's different today maintained again? He goes he goes through. He goes through Hugo's through three of the whatever five stages of grief. I share in credulity denial anger but he misses out the crucial on producing visible tears. Just kidding it's way with similarly in the outsiders which is coming out at a time. I mentioned Greece before. Because I think even agrees I think seventy eight or seventy seven shares. Something with the outsiders which is that. It's coming of age at a time for people that grew up in the fifties. So that's kind of even though the is a sixties movie. It's supposed to be sixty five. I think in the film but that culture of the green is the car culture. It's pre hippie culture right and it's Tolson sixty five which is probably more like fifty exactly. Yes so another thing. I wanted to mention this after I watched the one that we all know I saw that Coppola had re released the film and again in response to letters from children had put in put back in all these scenes that they had filmed. That really made it much more faithful to the original book. And you can get this if you're looking for the movie and if anyone listening is GonNa Watch this again. Please make sure you watch the complete novel version. That's what it's called bizarrely. It's called the outsiders the complete novel such a better movie. The twenty two minutes of restored content has a completely different opening and ending which the opening tells us so much more about who everyone is and it sets up the war between the researchers and the sources through a really well filmed kind of chase sequence where pony boy is being chased and attacked and beaten by the social spoke. That's why he has the scar on his neck. Thank you always said people always ask me like what the Hell is. This is distracting in the cut. You Watch what is that right? Well that's because in the very opening scene that was cut from the film. They cut his neck with a knife. Social do so it has that the other important thing is that he stripped out the war Kestrel soundtrack composed by his father again. He and his father were going for this gone with the wind for teenagers. So it had this very stringy or Orchestral score throughout it which which the original. Yes in the Strip that out. They stripped much of that out and replaced it with songs from the Era. Elvis Networks. So much better okay. Okay then it also restores a lot of Rob Lowe's characters stuff that was cut out of the movie so there's a really important scene after Johnny dies where Pony boy comes back home and gets into a fight and it's rob and they run out from the home and they're all running chasing each other. Football extended track the hell. You think you go man. Sometimes I had to get out middleman. A war between you guys can't take that only boy. Gary could put unit. Boyzone worked his way through college. Pony you WanNa be like me anyway. Happy working at a gas station be happened doing something like that. You can ask up yelling at me for every little thing. He does man I. Finally he feels six in you. Bad enough evidence to listen to you. When you start trying get me to take sides wrong you end up like Dallas did either. I mean it was poor. Please don't find any family. Were brothers got him. We need each other to get through this. He's the one who bridges that and then the very ending of the film makes so much more sense because it goes back to Tommy Howell writing the letter when I walked out of the cinema that day. I had only things on my mind. Paul Newman and a ride and go play that scene again. Okay so it ends where it begins and I found it. A much more cohesive much better much more character driven movie than the Ninety Three Minute version. Which is was so vastly successful and so I- conic even without those which is almost the weirdest thing I can think of like. I'm trying to think of another movie where I saw. Kind of the restored the directors one. And you know usually. They're not necessarily better. They're just baggie or there's more of it and you're pacalypse Vagelos which is done three times or whatever but I really really really was impressed by the longer version. It's it's much more itself. It's much more what it should be an end to Coppola's credit. He's he's a guy who is able to look back at that orchestral score. The my father did cut out your dad's score that's tough. That's tough email what he did that and it plays so much better. I. It's really really interesting. I think people should check it out. If they're going to watch it. Actually okay you gotta run pretty soon. So let's go quickly through some of your latchkey TV choices. These are shows it meant something to dial. Yeah uh-huh I love your choices. I'm going to play the first one for you here. Oh boy this is such a great opening maybe one of the great theme openings of All Time Dr David Better position scientists searching for a way to copy the whole have been an accidental overdose of Gamma radiation alters his body chemistry now when David Banner Rose Wage. Startling metamorphosis occurs the creature is driven by rage and pursued by an investigative reporter. Mickey don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry creatures. Wanted for a murder he didn't commit David. Banner is believed to be dead and he must let the world thinks that he is until he can find a way to control the raging spirit that dwells within him. So what a great show. What was it the hulk? So here's what I need to share. Okay my family will be is is that so we would watch Friday night TV. I think it was like muppet show Hulk Dukes of Hazzard and then the the Thakin Kristen my mom or my dad would turn their head and say Peter Hoax come and I would take off from the TV family room to the third floor attic where my brother and I shared a bedroom close into some pre cut jean shorts and I'd like the ripped shorting an undershirt and I would come back down in time for the opening sequence where I would rid all my God. That's incredible. Are there photos the whole thing. They take a snapshot. Kodak Ko- Chrome Snapshot. Probably at least as a Halloween costume. I bet that is amazing because it was intense the connection a connection to David Banner. Big Time big time. The Great Bill Bixby a me. It was great. I tried to rewatch something in the ending sequences. So fucking sad I was like. Oh Jesus Christ. I don't want any part of this. So said he needs to Leo. Yeah of course your lonely Janos so Vakhidov can never make a connection right now. That's why the Hawks are with you. Can make connection keep can connect and all these lovely folks come into. His life was like no. I can't touch this. Get Away from me. Heavy man so good. So you'd watch that and then this one would give you a little more kind of lightness. I guess this is also one of the great great themes dukes this is is it? Skinner D- skinner's Wayland fucking jennings come on man about skinner. D- just you know back when the confederacy for laughs. He's no we really. We really know we thought they were a couple of good ole boys. No No H. We didn't know the adults knew Kosh. Since was low people consciousness. Audibles the Reagan eighties. I'm sorry to say there. She is far Catherine Bach. Barba was this show so good such thing. You know differential entertaining. It was entertaining. And you know what I thought about figuring out this is he just like the Hillbilly. No one ever gets hurt. Never nothing bad ever happens. Always gets fixed. You have like a child being that they're breaking up or anything you know it's like bringing the moonshine cross state line guys win every time you guys went well. The good white guys went and stunts to fair. There were some stunts and also waylon beyond the Balladur part. Did waylon like do a little thing for each each episode. I like to think that there was like a little care. When he went to commercial the boys we got a minute cleanser genes. Yeah like they're going to wash credited as the ballad dear I think he would talk you into commercial remember back because He's GONNA show him to record all this shit over the years on the paint him. How how quickly? So here's the family anecdote on this one. Yeah unbelievably consistent. Somehow once boss. Hogg came on an episode If you peered over at my dad he will have on the sleep. Boss Hogg Foot. My Dad Sleep. That was the time time of night. It wasn't Boston probably like nine. Twenty nine thirty. That's where I go to sleep now. Yes but I ten minutes. He's ways away second segment bus bus. Probably Catherine Bach stayed awake for that. You know fair okay. So is that a family wide show. Yeah this Friday night just Friday show incredible hulk and the and the Dukes and then the kids had to go to bed. I believe Dallas came on then. And maybe we get crass Congress that was later you know. The muppet show is such A. I remember watching this with my mom too because you could just a classic show. There's something for everybody you know. It was witty. It was well done in. Great guest. Stars is their word for jokes. That hit that. Don't get over the kids heads. Yeah I mean it's like high low comedy you know there's jokes pitch for the kids and then there's another Meta level going on for the parents Waldorf and drake the to tell named Elmer and Waldorf. Thank you never known. It's like a kind of torture. Animal became a drummer so that that might have had something to do. I need to. I think I was influenced by animal. It's time to get things also kermit. Kermit I think is a boy. Kermit was like one of those things that also made you feel that it was okay to express in have emotions. Nice for me like kind of like this before your time but free to be you and me. I don't know that was an album in the seventies. It was all about like it's okay to express your feelings as a child who was a very kind of post hippie thing like Rosie Greer. The big tough football player had a song on their. Nice It's all right to cry. Crying gets the sat out of you. All things that are are woke parents of the seventy s right. Were trying to raise kids. Who were in touch with themselves and their feelings and I think curve it was such a emotional being yeah and and and male ish like email right defiantly a male but but he was sensitive you know he was kind of and he was like Johnny Pony Boy. He had feelings express them and he's feelings would be hurt and he would have different sorts of fears and emotions. He was aware of everyone else where they were at. You gotTa Guess Conscience Yeah. He didn't judge he didn't come down anybody. That's one of the brilliant things I think about that was going on with the muppet show was there is attention. Paid to stuff like that. That's right and then the thing about the child's psyche that you know the way that cartoon characters characters like this what whatever that accesses a kid and then to have sylvester stallone himself. Camman interact the way. They're both real that connects. It's not like I'm some kid ruled. No no this is. It's all melting into. Yes tremendously influential and important show. Yes so that's it. You've completed your first appearance. I'd so much. Thank you so much for coming in. I appreciate and key too.

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He's defeated every champion from every organization, the sport of mixed martial arts has ever seen and retired from the opt to gone is the biggest draw and the industry's highest paid athlete of all time. And now now jail Sunan on podcast one dot com. And for that. You're welcome. What's happening guys? Happy friday. And thank you for joining another special episode of you're welcome. I'll tell you. We had Wednesday show. I read your guys feedback on social media and many of you asked why I had not responded to John Jones's snub of me. And I suppose we'll do it now. But to answer the question, why didn't I don't really have a response. So here let's back up a little bit. Here's what had happened. John had his fight. He won as soon as he gets done with his fight. He goes, you know, out of the arena behind the curtain, and there's a kind of like a media row setup now Ariel, and I were hosting the show for ESPN. So John would go into the ESPN space. Let you guys know how this works behind the camera or brother behind the curtain at the arena that all he's looking at though a camera. He's got a microphone is looking at the camera. He gets tossed to us. So we're not face to face, which we see him pop up. On a screen. So he's at the arena wearing the studio. Just to let you know, how it works in case. You didn't see this? And when John comes on airliner deuces us. Hey, it's it's Jalen aerial over here, and you know, Hello John type thing and John says Hello aerial. He doesn't say, hey, guys or Helo air. Hello chill. He says Hello era. Kind of goes out of his way to make sure that he's just saying hi to air, which was a big clue right because John has has treated media this way before as recently as the day before the press conference when he he schooled at a young lady in the it was asking him questions. So I kind of had the alert, and then when EROs started to continue this and get to the first question John responded with saying, hey, aero. I wanted to make this clear. I only want to talk to you. And we went from there. So air kind of looked at me and said, hey, okay with that. Yeah. I'm okay with that. Boom. In the the interview concludes I didn't think there was a whole lot to make their. I think that when you're in the role of the me see what John is used to is getting into a battle of wits with me. And then I make him look. Like a horse's ass. So I could see where he would not want to do that. Plus, he was getting asked very tough questions. And I understood the language the meeting that was asking him questions didn't even know what a PICO Graham was they didn't know what turn -able was. They didn't understand half lives. They didn't understand the testing process. So I think that he might have had a fear that I was going to do that. He would have been wrong. I would not have done that to him not in that role. I am there for ESPN. I'm on the clock. If you will. And and this is his moment. But he doesn't know that. I couldn't fault him for that. And I don't I don't hold a grudge that he did. I thought it was very rude. I thought that it was rude to come onto a show and then not take questions from the host of the show. That's just the deal that you make going in. But to give a member of the media, a bump here there to have a back and forth. I've had wonderful back and forth. Moments myself formed a great relationship with Jim Rome. But it started from me put him on blast for a great relationship with Dan Le Batard by great. I mean, I continue to enjoy making him look a fool, but it all star. By me coming on his show and making him look a fool. So I gotta look the fool. I mean, what goes around comes around. I didn't think I had the right to cry in spilled milk when I'm the run that wrote the blueprint for the sport. And how you conduct media and John took a chapter from the book. I didn't think that was fair. I will tell you. He did catch me off guard in this regard, one of the things that he had said to area, which I took as a message to me. I should also admit to you. I could be taken it wrong. But the way I took the end of the show when he signed off to Ariel, and it continued to say aerials name over and over again to exclude me, but one of the things he said the airless. Hey, I really appreciate you. You're a host that checks the facts and knows what he's talking about. Before you go out to start reporting things, I took I didn't take that as a compliment to area, which perhaps it was I took that as a slide to me if I'm correct, and I have to say the word if but if I'm correct that was a little bit away. As well. Because the only time I ever weighed in that entire week on John Jones and his licensing in the move to California and the decision of Asada, I took John side. Now, I didn't take his side out of our past relationship or as some way of saying, I favor John Jones. I just looked at the evidence. I thought who saw two got it. Right. They don't usually use logic over the science of the tests. They usually will always default to the test in this case, they used logic while looking at the results of the test and said, hey, we don't think there's a violation. I agree with that. I agreed with the decision made I agreed with the intimacy that the state of California had as it pertained to John Jones and the testing procedure, and they wanted to go ahead and move along with it. So he actually had that wrong on this week. He was dealing with an ally of sorts. I was an ally. I was a supporter of the decision made. So I guess that's my response. And I know I kind of went in circles there, but ultimately, I don't really. Have one John kind of went on on a little hateful media tour. He does that anytime. He's on top. It's very common. He will act as though he is holding something that you need. He will he forgets? What side of the bread is buttered. He will think that his presence the one time that he's fought in the last year the three times collectively he's fought in the last three years somehow moves the needle when he skins his me and stubs his toe. He then can't figure out why he doesn't have any allies on the other side. Meaning the media. This is just a circle that he goes through. And this is the game that he plays. He can continue to do that. I won't pass judgment on that. But for him to give me a bit of a bump there. He then did the same thing to Anthony Smith. He did the same thing to Michael being in two days before he did the same thing to a young lady to the press conference. So I don't know that it was totally out of ordinary. He's got the right to go. Do his media the way he wants to do the media, I suppose if. You wanted to dissect the whole thing when you agree to go on a show, you agree by the rules of the show. The show has the power. If you want to get your message out there, you must I get on the show not try to act as though you're holding the cart. So anything it was all that big of a deal that would be my response. It's a limited response. And there you go. So you like saving cash, right? You know, what's even better saving hundreds of dollars on your car insurance? Well that revs your engine that get ready for this. You can do it right from your living room. All you have to do is go to Geico dot com and in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Extra money in your pocket. It just might be the most rewarding thing you do today. Moving on a little bit of bad news. Did you guys read? But Dana white has come out and said that yes it appeared. I believe he said, it appears to be quite obvious. The Nick Diaz versus George Mahidol isn't going to happen. Well, that was a blow for me. I liked that fight. I liked that fight. I like that matchup. I like the return. Nick de I like, the whole thing. And and actually said look, I don't think you have to do any further investigation than just going to Nick de as Instagram account. It's very clear that he's not training for a fight. I haven't done that level of research. I have not gone to Knicks Instagram account. I don't know what's on there. But I'm going to expect that what's not on. There is Nick in a gym with a mouthpiece and gloves on his hand. So apparently, we're not going to get that contest. But we are able to look ahead in the very immediate future to fade or versus Ryan Bater and the crown of a heavyweight champion and also hudo versus dillashaw, which I happen to personally like, and I also like the direction that that is going in which is straight venom by both guys that fight is compelling to me for many reasons, and I haven't had a fight in one hundred twenty five pound division that I was compelled to in a while in hindsight Henry pseudo vs mighty mouse was incredible. But that was in hindsight, I didn't get the anticipation going in. I'm more of an anticipation guy. I've seen it enough cage fights in my day. I just there used to be in a Lord of that two guys going in there into a cage. There was a major allure to that to the point that if I would go and watch a mixed martial arts event that was not in a cage if it was an a ring it lessened the visual appeal for me, but over time and with as inundated or I hear some people call it saturated. I disagree with that word. But with as much as we are treated to Emma may as fans here today in two thousand nineteen I need a story line. I didn't know why I'm watching. So I love the pseudo Dimitrius fight. But I didn't know going into that fight that I was going to love it. I'd already seen it. And it wasn't all that competitive. I didn't think Henry had a chance had. I know he had a chance I would've liked the store or but or I'm going with this as it goes to this fight. These guys are doing everything. Right. And this is very real. And I could just tell you. I was privileged to see this fight start to form and era, and I were doing a show same exact circumstance as what we just dealt with in the John Jones situation except. Instead of them being at the forum in airline. I being in the LA studio VSBN, we we were in the studio, but they were at the staple center to put that in to geographical terms for their side by side. So these guys fought they walked over to the studio we had them in person. And we started with Henry so in Henry gets done with his interview, and he gets up to leave dillashaw coming through the door will the ESPN studio is not designed to to have to trained killers. Ing gauge one another organically. There's not security setup over there that you have C doesn't have this isn't supposed to happen. Quite literally. As Henry is leaving the door opens for him to exit. So little comes walking in their face to face. They're both bloody and bruised. But they also both have twelve pound gold belts. There's no cameras rolling. We were not prepared for this. And all hell broke loose all hell broke loose purely verbally, but the fight was made right there. And I'm only telling you guys this story because we didn't have the cameras on. And had we turn the cameras on. We wouldn't have even had it facing in this. Direction. This was not supposed to happen. This was as organic is against and there's airline. I tried to one enjoy the drama that's unfolding before us. But also play the buffer of. Hey, got not here. Henry go by TJ come this way. Shut the door behind you. This is not happening right here. This is not what we do. This is absolutely not what we do in the studio is PS. So that was just a great moment. That was a great moment. But it was captured because we'll never get a see. That's why tell you about it. Because now some things are starting to get captured and they're starting to be very fun. So who does coming at Henry horrid Henry's coming back? Now. Here's what I like. Okay. The storyline. Great love that. But from a physical standpoint Henry Suharto is the best wrestler. He is the best amateur wrestler in mixed. Martial arts. T J dillashaw in my opinion is the best mixed. Martial arts wrestler in sport today. The those have to something has to give Yoel Romero will tell you. That Henry Suharto is the best wrestler in MMA. Daniel Cormet will tell you that Henry Suharto is the best. Most decorated wrestler, Emma, I will tell you Henry Suharto is the most decorated restaurant, but I will also tell you I believe T J dillashaw to be the best m a wrestler in the sport. I don't know if I'm right? That's just by. I don't know. If a bright TJ comes in at different angles. He is different setups. He is doing techniques that you would never see in an amateur wrestling match, but you can see them because of the posture in a main what I'm talking about. That is an they're both standing up and down very first thing. Two wrestlers do before the match even starts before the referee even blows the whistle is they've been their knees. The posture in amateur wrestling is so much different. So the techniques that you can do are more limited T J dillashaw has found a way to double cross a system he's bringing his own techniques in people have never seen before the innovative ones. The great ones in the sport. John Jones would fall into that category. He is so innovated so dynamic so unpredictable because he's making up moves when you make up your own skills that aren't out of the box. Fox that. No one's ever done before. That means no one's ever seen it before his nose ever seen it before. They don't have a defense to it. The defense isn't created which is what makes it innovative. And what makes it effective? I offered to you. And I don't know if you guys are able to see this TJ dillashaw has found a way to do that. With wrestling the same way as George saint-pierre come out and out wrestle everybody in the sport. Because of Georgia's setups, Georgia was a setup guy Georges technique had been done a million times. His setups is what got him over the hump T J dillashaw is doing attacks that have never been done before. I'm just interested to see am. I right. Am I right about that Henry pseudo laughs when I say that he thinks out of my mind, I might be. But this is what I'm seeing from my living room watching them fight. Henry Suharto has the accomplishment an amateur wrestling. And is the best amateur wrestler that the sport has competed at a high level today. T J dillashaw has the best MMA wrestling, and they happen to be finding in MMA. I think that's compelling. And I know I'm not gonna win you guys over with the wrestling aspect. That's the wrestler in me. I know you guys want to see the punches kicks. I get all of that. I'm just saying I have a reason to tune in and see this. I have a vested interest in seen. Am I right or am I wrong? You're listening to your welcome with jail Sunan. Unlike the isn't the only one with breaking news, make sure to hang around at the end of this podcast for the latest breaking headlines on the AP news minute. Have you checked out the big podcast with shack here at podcast one? Yeah, we talked basketball. 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I'll could be manager came out and said there is one hundred percent zero chance that could be will be fighting Tony Ferguson next now before you get all worked up who knows you know, one of the one of the important. Ingredients in building a big fight is making the fans beg for it. I don't like that. But I can't deny or ignore that has been any historical important agreement. So the very first thing to do to make somebody want to see something or have something tell telling they can't have it, and they can't see it. So I never know what's going on is that what team could be doing or do. They really not want to do that match next. And that would surprise me and the argument behind it for hey, we need to do. Good business. We need somebody that can move the pay per view needle. I think is a little bit false. I don't know that that is a true narrative Khabib outside of one time, which was the last time with Connor has not been in there with somebody that is tremendously going to move that pay per view needles. So I don't know that that's ever been a requirement of their team before which is why would just say to you before you get to work up. If that's the that's the fine. I think there is stuff that you could do there. I do think for the likely suspects. And again, if you're taking Connor out of it if you're just looking for work, and we do the biggest business you throw. Honoring if we're if we're talking about who's next outside of Connor. I'm not sure you have any choices better than Tony Ferguson. So before any of you get worked up on that before have you get mad at Ali about that making the statement realize, you're the ones that power. You're the ones with the power to go out and say, that's a really big fight. That's the one the buzzes around. That's the one we promise you. We will Mark on our counter and make sure we're in front of our TV's pushing the buy button for your the ones with the power. If Ali says, it's not going to do. Good numbers. He's talking about you. So you have the power on that you have the power to say, no, no, no, no. You've got that wrong. We will come to the party if they fight. Now the other side of that. And the reason I told you I don't like it. Right. I don't like it. But that's just for me as a fan. I would have to admit that it is helpful in many guys have followed that recipe. But if you look at Daniel Cormie, and it's always tough. When a guy says, no, I only wanna fight. It's only the big numbers. Floyd did that for years, and it was always tough. But over the years of staying on top Floyd did eventually Chuck up all of the best guys can't take that from Floyd. He fought a lot of journeyman on a lot of guys that never should have been in there. But along the way he did check off that list from the pack your house to the Moseleys to the canal. He took them all on to the daily Hoyas. He took them all on. But when you look at the other side of the coin, which is Daniel Cormie who has now said if Brock does not come to fruition. It will be steep a next. There is something very refreshing about that attitude because the champion is now annoyed teen and putting himself opposite. The baddest some bitchy can find he's not talking about pay per views. And he's not talking about an easy light night out. He is offering himself and going to the public to say I will annoy this guy. Oh, and by the way, unlike the way Floyd Mayweather, did it I'm. Mm annoyed in the Batsom bitch out there. Putting it all on the line. There's just something very cool about that. I never feel a Daniel kisses do and much like Floyd at least in this comparison has been around and been on top for so long that eventually it comes. But it seemed to come the slow way and the hard way because he doesn't get credit for things like this. Nobody calls out steep Amyot chech-, nobody Daniels already been in there with him. Daniel knows the landscape Daniel knows that's the hardest guy. And he also knows it's not necessarily coming with the biggest paycheck. That's not what it's about. He's a competitor. And he's fair the champion takes on anybody. Prior to being the champion. You want to see your name pop up in the rankings? You're furious. If it's not you begin calling out guys in the rankings. So that if you defeat them your name gets put in that top ten list with a number next to it. Once you make the list, you try to move up higher on the list. And then you move into what's called the top five in. What you make the top five. You try to become the number one contender. Then once you become the champion, you get up in the loft. And you pull the ladder up behind you. So nobody else can get up there. All the other guys doing all the same things that you were doing work in just. This hard with the same dreams and battling it out and scraping by because you have a dream you then pull the ladder up in the loft behind you say, well, I got here and their dreams don't matter. Even though we have the exact same trajectory in this exact same career paths. Their dreams aren't as meaningful as mine. So now what I need to do is make sure that I stay on top, which means voiding the best guys. That's the game. That's the one we play. But when a guy does that, and he does it publicly. It is off putting to at least me, and when a guy doesn't do that like Daniel. And he did this with Ozdemir to he knew that wasn't going to be blockbuster business. He knew they weren't going to have huge paychecks. He just knew that Ozdemir had earned the opportunity, and he was going to give it to him and many people said, well, yeah. But a guy that are no paternity happens to match stylistically perfectly with your style. Okay. That's fair. That's true. Steeping doesn't qualify for that. Steve is terrible matchup for anybody. Same Cormie is a bad match for so steep. It is the hardest possible fight that he could go after he was very honest about the Brock fight. That's a huge fight. And that's one that I know I can win, but the allure around it and the perception becoming reality of the monster that is Brock Lessner is a feather. I'd like to have in my cap, very honest about it. He didn't get credit for that. Now, he is saying he will be giving that opportunity to steep. And I think he has the power to do it. He gave the he had the power to give the opportunity toes. But here don't correct me that I say, I was me wrong. I don't do that to be condescending Ozdemir, it's a hard name. To say honor amongst these cello is get said wrong, and I say other guy's name honor monkeys. No, condescension meant. But it is something that is really great. Right. It is something where yet you can go out and play the media, and you can play the system, and you can get all the attention of some from some for good reasons and some for bad. But when a guy does do everything right for some reason, he doesn't get rewarded. I'm seeing that same thing with Amanda. I'm very drawn to Amanda. And I happen for meaningful amount of time. I've talked to you guys about this. But she was complaining shit some fight. And she was complaining that the UFC was not pushing her and marketing her enough, but she finished that analysis. Unlike other fighters of saying, so they don't start doing it. My way I'm going somewhere else. She finished that analysis by saying, but boy, am I happy to be here in boy. Are they nice to me? And boy, do they give me an opportunity that I dreamed about having and she was serious. It wasn't a kiss asset. And she just shared openly. How she felt and it was pretty cool. And I also met her. I guess I should disclose this. I had a great experience. But I met her out right after the wayans, I'm friends with her coach Coenen. So I went up and said hi to Conan and Amanda and her fiance were standing right there. And I say hi, neither one of them. But I I just I just said hi Conan. I never realized who is whistle. I stood there. We're all waiting for a car and a few minutes have gone by. I look I go. Oh my gosh. He's he's with a man. I I need to say. Hi. So introduce myself when I told her I said, you know, we've never met before. But I feel as though I've known you for years because of this business of MMA where I'm calling your fights. And I'm talking about, you know, you're in my living room on a Tri yearly basis. So then I introduced myself, and it was her. Onset who I just called her fight feel like I knew her as well. But she was very nice. And she was very sweet. Then when I saw her auntie's kissy inev-. No, I guess the point I'm trying to make you never know what you see on TV. Is that who they are is that the act is that the character? They tried to be like trying to not be like they trying to sell tickets, and I don't really care either way. I'm okay with it as long as I believe sometimes, you don't know. So I had this interaction with the two of them as brief as it may have been, but I could tell there was something very genuine there. So wing, she gave her post fight speech. And when all she wanted was to be considered for the hall of fame, which is a hysterical request. Literally, nobody has been in the octagon holding more hardware at one time. Then her never it's never happened and only four athletes have ever held as much hardware as her. They tighter or she tied them, but nobody's ever held more. And she's wondering if she'll be considered for the hall of fame down the excuse me. Amanda. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You will. We could just go ahead and put you in right now, if it make you feel better it's more of like a post career induction. But the fact that she was so humble to even graciously with humility she stuck in up. Everybody's ass. She stuck at down everybody's throat. She didn't gloat. She did take a victory lap. She asked that she considered someday. There's something about that that I found compelling and from a marketing standpoint, I just hope that that that resonates with more of you because there does appear to be in this sport that infamous always Trump's famous if you can get in some trouble somewhere along the way, it's like you're buying into the club of the elite of the world is should it. Be that way. That is silly. What I'm telling you right now it works that way in many. Different forms of entertainment, if you could become infamous that will be famous should it be that way? There should be some credit out there for the guys that are true competitors that go out and do everything right and treat people the right way when the cameras aren't on there should be I want there to be. So I want to bring you aware of the epidemic that surrounds both Daniel Cormon and Amanda news, and they both on everything. Right. And they were both champ champs, which by the way. Nobody's really picked up on this Conor McGregor actually trademarked. The term champ Chapman. I see other people using it and run with it and become a colloquialism within our space. But you guys might be getting cease at assist letters before, you know, Conor McGregor who coined the term. Also went out at trademark that that's a little left. Why little heads up to you? All don't get too loose with that term. I see my terms getting stolen left. And right. I take it as a compliment. But I take that further step of trademarking. It little friendly advice from Cheo for the new year. 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So I went and I ordered on New Year's on new years I stayed in. And I ordered the house that Jack built Matt Dillon, and there was many other actors, but essentially, it was just Matt Dillon the whole budget for this film was eight million dollars. It grossed internationally a collective one point six billion. So it was a disaster in that regard. But it also got a ranking of top ten movies of two thousand eighteen so that made me want to see it, then turn it was like a three hour film way longer than it should have been or way longer than I would have thought it was going to be either way I ordered. And I watched it, and Matt Dillon is a serial killer who is like kind of making confessions of each crime. If you will which they called it acts like they would flash on the screen in print act one, and he would go through it and then go act to and they would go through it. I actually I thought it was a very good way to make a movie I thought from a directional standpoint. It was a lot of fun and a really good way to do it and bring the audience along overall. It's a piece of crap that I give to thumbs up to. It's a film. I give two thumbs up to that. I would not recommend for you to go. See? And the reason I say that as I don't want you to see it. And then go and base that upon my prediction ability. It was a weird movie. And I got that it was way too long. And I get that. And the conclusion is something I find lazy which is. It was open for interpretation. I know are typically in Hollywood they liked to call that poetic license and think that they're doing some level of brilliance and deep thinking, they're they're not they're lazy the artistic -ness of doing something. Like that is the marketing to cover up when the directors writers, either one can't film, a proper conclusion or two can't come up with one. But that was and that's a middle finger to the audience to bring you along on a three hour journey, and then leave a conclusion open to interpretation and discussion is that's a big. That's a big giant few aside from that. I thought the film was fun to watch. But weird and dark. I must warn you. I must warn you chapter four if you will was was dark, but I. That it was really well done, and I enjoyed it. And I thought Matt Dillon was talented. And when I had the backstory that they did the whole thing for eight million that was a colossal flop, but rated one of the top ten movies of the year. I thought I'm gonna go watch this, and I see why it would be very very different film. And you could tell that it was it was low budget, by example, they wanted to reference World War Two at one point. So on the screen, and I think this was done just because of the lack of budget. They started playing a soundtrack of like airplane noises. Oh, there's like airplane noises going while there is still photographs being flipped through of like b fifty two bombers in Germany that is how they did the establishing shot for World War Two. So it was cheap. But there was also something cute about that. There was something simplistic, but say, I get it. I get it. You didn't need to spend a million dollars to give me that make the airplane. Sound? And flash it up on the screen. I get it. We've established this is now World War Two south overall two thumbs up, and I'm not going to recommend it for you guys, but make your own choice. If you do see it. I'd love to hear what you thought. I've had it with you all enjoy your weekends. But make sure you here next Wednesday because we will be back, and we will have a lot of news for you. And tell that I've changed Senate, and you are well, thanks for listening to your welcome with jail Sunan. Download new episodes every week at podcast one dot com. That's podcast Owen dot com. Podcast. 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The Debut of Bro Anatomy, Russian Beluga Whales & Bug Out Bags

Trap House Variety Hour

1:20:42 hr | 2 years ago

The Debut of Bro Anatomy, Russian Beluga Whales & Bug Out Bags

"Two. When come back. Special episode trap house. Very. I'm your host or the Steve all kidding. We feature throw this story, bro. So long. Continues. Shame jay's. And this g with them shitty drugs. Spoiler alert or no, never while it's fucking. Mr. redrew crashes trap house, and describes convent subjects Donald. Wali's gets missed the cost Mandy for Kelly. All of this. And so more. Jere. Very. We go. We're back Ramon savage. Just took a nice drink of this, French press special, this great coffee. I had here. I've bought some from home from my from my home press. I brought it just so you can insult it. Go ahead. Yeah. You had to taste roast me. It was it was. It was good. Okay, was very smooth and easy drink. Right. Okay. Which is nice. And I have labor that, that, you know, the oil flavor, I kinda like thick. Motor oil copy. That's not that thing either overdone because sometimes you can leave it in there too long. We can use too much too many beans. There's such thing as too much garlic in orders. In the thing is too many beans in your show. It's hard to believe. Oh, no. Don't try to accomplish. But it's true. Yeah. So rating, like a while you yet you did go good. I good. So it was good in. I listening Bax week last week's podcast. I, I did go a little hard. I think I did cross the line says I kinda do. Sometimes when I. Align stepper, stepping align, and you're very generous person, you know, thank you. You do let some of that stuff slide. I guess, you know, we're still friends, right? Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're gonna fall out over coffee. What we're just act. You were getting. But hey, you know whatever. Never floats your boat. So it tastes good. I mean you wanna scale delusion on the skill. I'd give it I'd give it a I'd give it as like. Seven. We're strong six now. Oh, but no, we've talked about this. Like, you know, believe me I if you if you put a six in front of me, I'm gonna take it, you know, like all day. So like at the bar, whatever what is your? Well, you're not doing drip, Starbucks, non the triple Expresso. Okay. Triple tall. Expresso y-u-c-c-a. So now what I get at home is probably an eight eight eight. What is it ten ten is probably the, the, the Starbucks, Starbucks mistranslation machine machine produced Expresso with water. That's eleven thousand dollar. She are you like at that point, you had to be even particular about what kind of water use. Right. Like you're putting you're not just putting tap water in there. That'll affect your Cup. I do put the at least. I just I put the filtered water in from the, the fridge right where we replace that Water Filter fridge runs. The wire through that. Okay. But some people, I guess, the tap water thing. Some people say tap water is better to put in your coffee for whatever reason, you know, at that point I you know, I don't know anything about alkalinity your whatever's happening there. But, you know, I'm trying to not drink as much, not drink tap water, you know, as much as not that the filter that is in my fridge is any sort of, you know, is not gonna save me from. Why are you trying not to drink? I don't know. I think it's just about the pharmaceuticals shed. No, I doubt I really doubt the this, this GE fridges, removing any sort of pharmaceutical stuff out of my, my, my tap water. But I just think it's just one last one last effort, you know, one swing at the ball to, to try and prove things, and so it's better than nothing. You know, would are you concerned about what the tap water? I don't know. I mean you know. You know, look at look at Flint, Michigan. But then it's not just Flint is like the only story here that water problem exists, in a lot of places. You know, just Flint is obviously the big headline story. There's a there's a, a theory on the decline and fall, the Roman empire that, that has to do basically tap water public water, the Romans used to use in their pipes. They used to use lead piping hurt the head some elemental lead in it. So they, they think widespread lead poisoning, this certain theory thinks widespread lead poisoning was one of the culprits of the fall of the Roman empire. I guess you could see it as, like a society wide suppressed immune system, kind of thing let terrible for you. Like let is extremely poisonous neuro toxin you know, I'd say you got to be operating at eighty percent to be able to take to push up against the bar barons at the gate. Now. Yeah. And if you're not if you're if you're offering, but the society, white lead, poisoning problem, probably can't even dentist. I don't even know a problem. And then yeah, I could see how that you give desirous through. That's one of the one of the going theories. There's no, there's no way to tell exactly its culmination combination of all these things. No one thing you know, it's really hard to, like, be inside of anything or outside of it and determine what actually happened because there's so many elements variables with, with the city like Rome, or an empire, like, Rome, where you can't point to one thing that led to the decline, you know, with that, barring the gates thing, a lot of people compare that to what's going on in the states now with, like them just not being savvy enough to, to, to work that out 'cause what those barbarians wanted the, the last ones that they just wanted to be like part of the empire. They wanted to they wanted to be romance in, like have place on outskirts of the art live in the Romans wooden Moore having that, you know. And so they was it a, an issue of, of trade in protection technology that they wanted to share that the Romans went they share. No, they wanted to, like, have the the, the status of being a Roman citizen. I think or just have like some this land that the, you know, on outskirts of the empire that, like there's this big in the Roman empire in the history of the way. Everybody tells it in this is like all the all the tellers like Souto Aeneas intestines. They all talk the same she'll like the Romans were benevolent empire and they wouldn't you know, we wouldn't attack anybody, unless we refers to tack which was bullshit. Like how do you how do you get an empire that big without some offense? You know. So. That was kind of going theme, where they would do the propaganda wood frame, it to where the bar barons, were attacking the Romans, you know, but the Romans were kinda like just moving forward and, you know, dictating terms and towards the end like these, these people just wanted to be Romans in. They wanted to do all the show. They wanted to pay taxes. They to do that shit, but the Romans weren't allowing them to, to live in that capacity, you know, so they, they clicked up in sacked room that old thing went down yen. You could. Like you said, you don't become an empire by by being nice. I mean you got to put some offense out on the board. Right. And but the idea that yeah, the, the act of the Romans sort of keeping the, the Barnes, add monopoly could have been an active violence, essentially, you know that, that. No, you can't have the Lance running our empire in, of course, we're going to we're going to preserve that with force. And by the active you not able, whether it's cultivation whether it's trade or anything like that. You know, you're not going to be able to live that the member, you're gonna die. And so, yeah, could see that dipping offense of sort of output. So you're not drinking tap water because I don't know, verify. Well, listen, what's in it or that I'm just trying? I'm just like I said, it's just one last past trying make a tiny bit safer. Trying to trying to take your take some of your weight off of the grid. We fucking. I mean just like the society grid like we know. I mean no. Definitely in the matrix pot. There's I'm not. I mean you check me out matrix pot. I'm done in days. I'm dead in days. Did you did you notice that we haven't talked about lookout bags in? We didn't keep our, our did you do have a book up might bug out bag is all cash, porno, max. You got like some magazines, in DVD's shitting, there, you're going to be max just magazine, because we're no may because really it's like once the internet goes down, like you know what? What are we gonna do now going to go back to using your mansion in, I'm, I'm the king at that point, then everyone's gonna have to come to me. Because my bag Amorn Amax, where do you think, oh, you can get porno, MAGS everywhere? Now, I guess like airport again. Any magazine place has magazines pretty much. Yeah. Well, not really. Like, for example, like a liquor stores used at porn Amax. They don't have many more, you know. And I bet if you went in a circle k you couldn't get them. I dunno. Now, the honestly the only place I see porno MAGS by is in the airport. Bookstores are in the airport. They still Rochman house late right? Little black thing over. Yeah. That, that plastic can't wait to rip that thing with. So I guess it's just like lonely traveling salesman who have company company, that are totally monitored, you know, if you go on, like Kansas City, Faulk dot com or. KC. Fook. You're going to be in some trouble. So I guess that's that, that's gotta be the market and those guys by magazine rip it up and go right into the fucking family bathroom, and go down. Yes, it's. Personal phones. That's gotta be now. I mean. No. I believe me, it's like when I had had a corporation, pay for my phone. I bailed on my personal phone and seconds. Yeah. Yeah. And then of lists, I just yeah. I just had to find it somewhere else. I'm very crafty like that. I figure out a way away. Can I let me check out your phone for just a second? Eight. So the tap water. The tap water goes into your coffee or no. It does filter water gives Mike healthy. Yeah. But I'm not pouring like a bottled water to my coffee maker. But yeah filter just just trying to do is fluoride anywhere in your spectrum. Not drink tap water. Well, I, I don't have a I know that you went through like a hardened Pinal gland. Phase in your lies I in that phase. Well, you. On the spectrum on it. Yeah. I've I've heard these things right now. And I, I have no idea like, what, what any of that, you know, nobody knows what the fuck any of the shit does in your brain Mike. They have no idea. You know, so or maybe they do and like I don't know. I have no idea if they know but from what I from what I can tell my very basic. This is like just anatomy class shit like yeah. The guy will freely admit that, like he doesn't know in like most of the best night is have no idea why what's really going on in your brain. Like I listen to this one thing about, I think it was about your senses, or something your senses, or I can't remember what the subject was. But he's he was talking about what happens when you hear something. And. Basically, like a sound wave moves these three little bones in your inner ear K those things move in, then they stimulated nerve. And then that, that nerve since a message to your brain. And after that, they really don't know what happens besides that your brain, like turns that into a sound that you somehow interpret, and they that's about all they know, you know, that's like the, the long short of it, he, then it just goes into a big black hole, right there, like, well, we don't know exactly how the sound wave the, the mechanical wave, which is like, what it is. Right. It's like a fucking mechanical thing gets translated into like a sound in before you even go down that road, you kind of have to define what a sound is like, what is the sound when you hear it, it's, it's you can't really like I can't really put that into words, you know what I mean? It's, it's, it's a. It's a mechanical wave like a way that you can't see wiggling your ear bones and in outside of that people can't really tell you a bunch of details, but isn't at the same process. Not in this may be unexplainable process to is that what how we perceive, light color and shapes while I guess light is color. So how we perceive color or how we perceive light, which is then now. That's how you perceive, everything from writing on a page to fucking treat right? So what is it the same thing because isn't that a same sort of mechanical, it's a mechanical process with your eyeballs? Yeah. And then after that, then it's then it goes into the other dimension of your brain your brain nerve in your nerve since like this electrical impulse to your brain. And then you have these cells in your brain that talked each other in messages shit, too. That's black box than if here's a blackbox inside has to be a black box to that a certain point. Yeah. I guess so where would we talking about talking about? They now it's not because I'm trying to avoid fluoride I mean because I've, I've heard piney land, I've, I've traveled to countries that didn't have a fluoride in their water. You know. And everybody had bad teeth fuck, that do they have fluoride in their water at in England in the UK. That was always the rumor why they had bad teeth or they, you know, I just maybe they weren't hip on, you know, this whole brushing lossing thing. But I've seen some bad fucking teeth might my time so in dental health can lead you to or a bad dental health can lead you to an early grave or dementia. Sure. Or maybe, you know, and so I'm on board, you know, in, in, I just know that, you know, the. We've talked about this in the past that, you know, we society doesn't need to be controlled by Chem trails and Floride. It sits much simpler mechanic, you know, than than that it's a lot easier to control somebody phase then by, you know, by Floride super plan. Calcified your piney of land. Right. I think the theory is, and well, this is there. There are many theories that go into all kinds of Wu shit like this like like that. The piney gland is like your receiver. This, this goes back to an argument about consciousness to, which nobody knows anything about another thing that nobody really has a finger on. And so is consciousness. A is it like an internal thing we have our own consciousness, because we are human. We have brains that are just, you know, like a early retirement mechanical thing is just a, you know, you put these cells together in, they know that, that type of thing or is there, some receiver that we receive consciousness from in our brain. And that's what I think the argument about the piney Glen, that it could be like the consciousness receiver like whatever is beaming consciousness out into the universe. The piney gland is the receiver dogs, too. That's our intent. Maybe you know, but do all animals have Pinal glands. Yeah. I think like I think it's a, you know, I, I'd have to do some desert Pinal Glen. I think would be like a certain whatever class of animals they use like filing certain file of animals. Okay. A certain level of animals that might have. But I don't know what kind of brain worm is in anatomy right now. You're taking a an anatomy class right into what's what's the was. It is literally anatomy wanna one or what's, what's it cost Annemie? I mean, it's called biology one forty I thank or something like that, m what is the approach Ben that, that you guys, have you approached heavy approached the body in just in each level of framework or at what's the approach? Yeah. It started out, just like basic anatomy, terms and stuff. So we learn like how they section. Body's like a coronal section is a section like this, cutting through the body like that satchel section different different terminology, than we went onto like cells in cell structure, and stuff like that. And then a bone structure in muscles. Efforts structure. We did bones than than we did nerves a system. There was assist muscles in the nerve. Okay. So each system, you kind of tackle the entire body, sit the system, right? The ended unassisted all work together in this. Yeah. We did. Like they have it organized into levels like, so I should know this probably sell tissue organ. And then. There's a couple more tissue organ than the whole whole organism. And what was the what was the anatomical approach to the Pinal land with two today, who didn't spend much time on the piney Glen, at all, were just like identifying in anatomy class. I think in physiology you get into like more functional. Okay. I got you. But, you know, they'll freely admit that, like the end Sula, which is like a low by the brain. That's kinda under your under your cerebral cortex in your frontal lobe inches, like tucked inside your brain there like avid much about that one hasn't hasn't been able to be studied because it's inside, you know, foreign side. So you really can't do like the problem is really, can't do experiments on people and out to figure out what these brain parts are doing, like you can't cut somebody's brain open. Can't put like wires on people and like, you know, inside their brain and people that hold levers show Dharma I'm talking about, like this one's likes deep. So you can't cut somebody, you can't pull somebody's brain apart. I don't think in like study that super deep blow while it's lot lots happening, right? And that's the same thing with the piney of land. It's like in your brain stem, just like right off your brain stem in the middle of your brain. So we can't I mean, kind of studies considered nice protected area, thankfully, the but, you know it the evolution of the of the human body has got new point were. Yeah. Along the way we've got some unnecessary organs. Right. And so there, I'm sure there's some shit going on in her brain that might just ninety be used like the appendix, right. I well, the appendix they, they have they have a few theories about that. Like, the, the main, the current theory is that it's like a storehouse for like stomach bacteria. So just because you can live without it doesn't mean it's not necessary right now. You, you have a knowledge of appendix, because you went we went through yours. Burst is correct. It was a. Yeah. You must I almost died. There couple junctures were probably, you know, could've fucking because you ready bet you were like it was was a leading up into a fight. Yeah. You're cutting weight now isn't cutting weight. But I was I was just fucking in fight mode. I will like I'm going, I'm going to fight, you know, I wanted to fight empowering through a lot of misery. And there's lots of thoughts of things that could be reporting through your body that you're in Iran in did not depressed condition, or low condition. But you're going to power through a lot of that because the nature of wives out, I thought, I honestly thought I was sick, you know, and because I had felt like this now looking in hindsight. It was my pending of these other couple times, because I never get sick dude. Like I, I mean, I know a lot of people say that, but I'm like a seriously lake a never in like out for the count sick, you know happens like every now and basically the last two or three times a tap. Kind of in my pending, you know, but I didn't realize that until until I fucking shit out and I started thinking back on my got damn on, on had that stomach ache. You know on down for few days, those, my fucking appendix, you know, so it had been flamed a couple times over the years. And then yeah, this was a dislike won't say New Year's. Eve or something day after Christmas, I was when I first got the stomach ache. And I flown home for Christmas 'cause I was going to I was in Campos in Florida flow Christmas, and I was supposed to fly back the next day two days after Christmas. And so I ended up flying back in. I am trying to get me to stay I'm gonna finish camp. I'll be all right in a couple of days and I went down there and I ended up spent staying in like a week in the hotel. I didn't go to the gym at all. I was suffering until over. And I finally got back in everybody was like, oh man, I didn't know you're here 'cause I've just kinda I went in and I was just fucking sleeping up like almost kinda shitting. I wasn't doing any thrown up, but I was feeling terrible like shades drawn. I was in bed for fucking six days. I didn't eat the he did. And then I finally went back to the Jim got this Wednesday. The Wednesday in a win to train with Liborio. I did the warm up and I was feeling better, but still wasn't like hundred percents. I was like in this was like, ten days out. Maybe two weeks from a fight and a toll the boroughs like now sit out today. I'm not gonna go live. I just did the drills and he kinda like gave me a look like, oh, he said, something like okay with, you know, this keeps up we're going to see, you know, like, basically, yo you need to be training if you haven't trained in a week in any certainly said that to some people always. In your role as trainer John, I gave me that fucking he's there's been a couple of moments or, you know, good coaches do this. Like, I remember one time I was spun, I can't remember who spun, but I had the shoulder thing and I was like I came in the middle rounds like off my shoulder, you know. And he looked at me and me on the back. Goes suck it up. And I was like, all right. Fuck. Back out there did in just how it is. You know. So, so I kind of I understood what he was saying. But I was like, man, you know, he knows me and he knew the like I feel like he knew that I. You know, I'm kinda like I'm not gonna be fucking saying, I can't do something if I can do it, you know, but he still gotta give me that talk. And so I didn't I didn't go live. And then I barely made it home long story short, like I got to the shower, and I had to call Borio he had already left. You drop the hotel r drove home in avocado boreal. We like a can come back and take him to the hospital finally recognized how much danger you're in at that point, you know. Yeah, it was I felt like I knew when it bursts when oil when I got to go to are not the hotel the hospital. They were like European been burst for two or three days. And I'm like, Nah, I feel like I felt it when it bursts in the shower because I had this incident, where had to take a shit, and I barely made it to the bathroom. And then when I did make the bathroom. I just felt something I don't know. It's just a crack correct. It really felt like a warm village. Or fill like something released. And then I felt a rushing in my scary, and I and after that I couldn't stand up straight, I was in the shower and I like I was been over and I cannot stand up straight, and I like I had I had to crawl out of the shower. I was still wet and fucking get to my phone call calling the on the floor in the fucking somehow. I got I was able to get just a pair. Sweatpants sweatshirt on he came to the hotel, and like, basically carry me down to the car to the hospital doctors love to do this did they today say love to say this did they say, if you would've waited X amount of days or hours, you would have been dead. Well, no, they didn't say anything like that. But when I got to the hospital, they, you know, and they finally gave me the camera pricey teargas. There were like European burst like the guy that that took it. He's like, technically I can't tell you this. But your pin nixes Burson it looks like it's members for few days, and I was like, there's no fucking ways burst few days. Like 'cause I just this pain, like it was hurting before, but it's, you know, it hurts more now you know, hers way more now. So what could have been another system failing in your body, that gave you that indication, so not necessarily appendix person, but it could have been another system just just dropping off line. The then signal to you could your your mortal danger. And yeah, the doctor when he finally got in there and cleaned it up. He said it was basically the worst ever seen. And there is, you know, when something like that happens, like, basically, there's just shit all over your abdominal cavity like your domino. Cavity is that is like potential space. They call it so it's not like it's it's has the ability to expand. But as it is now, there's, like, bunch of connective tissue that holds all your shit together. So like something like that happens. There's room for like that kind of thing to happen, your abdomens of my Adam's just full of fucking shit basically, like literally shit or random style shit poop, the European nixes attached that thing to India intestines. Someone breaks off, when it burst, basically that's breaks open. Just didn't rush. So, so you're centrally poisoning yourself on shit inside your body. Right. So they had to get in there and get all that. Shit out of there. And then they had to fuck in. He's he said he used a some exorbitant amount of bacterial antibacterial fucking fluid on the end. My insides, basically just KENNY'S got like a water pick. And he's just going through your all your criticism call it. Lapper Skop, BIC think basically, he's have these two little bitty scars. And he just went in there and he said, it's like a video game. You're low, you have these instruments. They're inside you. But I'm looking at it on a screen. I'm just showing vacuum the sprayer. Yeah, yeah. Maybe. Yes. So, so it didn't have to do a huge line across your, your stomach that have you seen Doron scar. He's got an old school. Appendi- appendix Carl. He had the same thing happened to them. I think he he's, they caught his earlier for Maria. But yeah, he's got an old school scarves got the old like C-section action. But now that you can I can't even see my scars super super smaller like passage or something like that tiny goes. But yeah, that guy fucking say my life man. I mean, if this had been a hundred years ago, I probably would have died, probably right. Go into some kind of septic. Yes. Epic alert than just terrible death. You know, painful and probably they're giving you booze just to calm. You down and just awful. Maybe what do they call that shit? They give back morphine. They would add morphine morphine is terrible, by the way man. They gave me the morphine when I first got there, I gave me the good shit that gave me like dilated, which is like that's the good shit. Yeah. And that lasts for couple of hours. And then I was like you could have some more of that now. And then they gave me more feet in lasted like thirty minutes, but I couldn't get another dose for like another two hours and I'm just like suffering. He went from varsity Javy division, one TV high school play me, man. Trying to me for sure. That's the only time where I've been like the were been thankful for painkillers. You know, like, oh my God. Give me some more that shit. There's a there's a great scene in the movie drugstore, cowboy, which probably came out in nineteen ninety two or something like that. And William Burroughs who's in all beat poet author, you know drug head. You know, like one of the he was on the forefront of this LSD movement. That happened in the sixties. So he had a cameo in that movie as a junkie, priest. Yeah. That was a friend of Matt of the of the main actor who I'm blanking on his name right now. He was in something about Mary as the guy with fake teeth, and he always wore the lion. Share dylan. Yeah. Matt Dillon and Matt Dillon drugstore. Cowboys really good in that movie. He's getting something about Mary, too. But anyway, the, the junkie priests comes in. He's the guy who introduced heroin to, to Matt, what's his name again. Bill, Matt Dillon, in the movie, and Matt, Matt says, hey, I'm trying to get clean. I'm getting off. Oh my drugs. And he's like, he's like, you know, father if you want these drugs, you know, you can have him he, he added pick drug back. And so he throws the bag to the priest the priest rips open the, the bag, and he goes through all his painkillers like these now he's like throwing them away like this. This is for squares. And then he picks up the dials and he's like this, my son receive blessing. Terrible terrible. So those guys definitely believed in delighted the ultimate too. So I have to take their word for it. Man. I think I have like some weird. There's like a weird opiate thing that opiates. They don't affect me as like normal people because whenever I go to the fucking dentist. I don't know if they use like what they use. They're not using maybe late night, Hain killers, using local local Lanna STAN, their novacaine, maybe it's a painkiller thing that because they have to load me up on that to like the guy give me the Dennis will give me like they're not giving you any of that stuff the dentist. I know I know I just whatever it is. They have to load up on it. Oh. Oh, yeah. So, like, whenever I go in there like getting the cavity downhill give me one shot of it. And then, like try to go in again and then when I'm like, oh, he'll get. My must say I mean I'm kinda pussy at the Dennis, I honestly, like I still occasionally will cry at the dentist. Okay. Just because it's so traumatic like here's a coming out the side of my eyes while that all things going on. I'm getting over. I'm still I'm getting a little bit better. But no, that's the MO these fucking Dennis. They act like novacaine is like liquid gold or something, you know. And that's the thing they'll shoot you with a little bit of it. And then the other go in is like, hey, we're not ready the good shit, but the gas on what you gotta do that. They won't give you nitrous like only two children upside down world all that shit at the dentist. Yeah. I, I should be getting laughing gas to do anything for me. Other going just gimme something to think better. Yeah. I that's that's I think that's. Probably they're saving money thing. Yeah. It's really sick. Let's too bad. It's such a caveman pursuit. Get they got. They got their fucking foot on your chest. They got both hands in your mouth. Yeah. It's like we have, like sound waves and lasers and shit now. Let's like let's put that technology to good use. We're still stone-age is with us Dennis stuff. Yeah. But like you said. That can cause some, some health problems, some pretty significant health problems. If you don't get dentistry stuff, taking care, the now just it's terrible. It's the worst. White people are fucking up. Are they? Yeah again. Yeah. The, the first place you sent me this was the white gang members forcibly tattoo, racial slur on a member and spell it wrong cops. And you know, this is a this is Florida, man added again. He's, he's never ending is a group of Florida -ment and Ford a woman to keep an equal opportunity. And it looks like these guys are involved in some hard. And of course they put the mugshots of not only three perpetrators but then the the victim to. And they're all just there's some there's some hard hard year spun modifiers. Yeah. Are these are these felons, these people felons? There's some records I they, they actually do go through some of their history in terms of like, what they what they've some things they've been popped for in the past. Do you think that felon should get the boat? Yeah. I don't see a problem with that. I mean, especially you know. If you do your time, you gotta keep you gotta keep the wheel turning, and you're, you're definitely, you're educated. Especially in terms of what we do two are incarcerated citizenry. You know, it's not like he become, it's like what's supposed to happen after you get incarcerate your, your allusion citizenship. You know, they, they gotta put down a fucking island, you know, somewhere in you're on your own. That's not the case. So, yeah, I think that's incredibly reasonable to to be able to fuck it vote for an asshole politician is gonna fuck. Anyway. Whether you're Republican, so. Yeah, go. Yeah. Good luck to you. It's done. Paid your debt decide, you know that's the deal you know, you should come back with all your rights. I agree to. Yeah. And that's you know, it's like people have very unusual concept of, of, of what punishments should be, you know, and a kind of manifest itself like like when people get raped in prison or something, you know, it's like all they fucking deserved. Anyway, why do you think they're imprisons like whether imprison to serve sentences, so let them serve their sentence? But that doesn't mean they need to, to be raped or murdered or Saif social violence, starved or isolated. You know, even you know, fuckers on death row has got to be the absolute worst of all time in a way that it doesn't necessarily need to be. It's bad enough that you're on the docket to be Hong or electrocuted or shot through. Some whatever. Right in so. In so that's bad enough that you gotta deal with that bullshit. Right. But then the other thing is that now you only have one hour a fucking day two yet one hour, a day to go outside for the deal with another person. And so you're essentially being you're you're you're isolated in a way in way that breeds insanity because no one's meant to live like that. So anyway, I just that's, that's an ongoing theme, at least in my life, or least, in, you know, things that, that I'm concerned about about how people are treated when they're incarcerates fucking bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. We could definitely stand a revamp of prison system in general. You know, here's the here's the back to the story is white members of gang forcibly covered a fellow gang members gang tattoo with the phrase, including racial, slur. Well was actually not original African country, which quitting to canary racial, slur to those people, maybe if the. So they just had a bad gang tattoo on his on the Hon by his Adam's apple and they, they covered it with this race. The evidence Michael Hart's, neck, said fuck you Niger. Capitalized, too, like, they, they knew the country or some capitalized, well, capitalize in the ignorance group in in the way that this, the journalist wrote it. So the journals could have been going by the book. Yeah. He's got a right SICU after that. I'll give you an out when I read the story, I actually thought that the guy who was the victim of the crime was a was a black person because he was, and he was another white person. I didn't, you know, just that shows that I'm coming from a multi-racial down for two min. I'm totally look. I'm totally woke than that. I just I thought white people in black, people can get a long enough to be in a gang together. I don't. Yeah. I don't think I I don't know. I'm sure that is up somewhere. What the I want to know what gang insist they didn't even they didn't go into that in the article, according to what police say, Lucienne, Leshan Lucien Evans told them he Brandon and Brad Mary Elizabeth. I mean she's Christ. We're trying to discipline heart not insult and African nation heart had violated game rules may didn't say what gang role they rule slated even if between gang members is kind of activity violates rules in every jurisdiction the United States. That's excessive you don't need to write that that's kind of like everybody knows that this guy was invested. Arrested the ringleader of this the gang that tattooed their gang member was arrested for aggravated battery armed robbery. That was the lady got arrested for that. And that's the seven leader. Yeah. That's the seventh arrest for since two thousand ten for Haley who also got a couple of counts of battery in armed robberies is just tune in these guys up. Yeah. Don't fuck tattoo. This guy, the broke gang rules, and somebody violated their their probation in the whole mix of this thing. So hard told police heart was the victim in this whole thing told police, the, the, the trio and singleton showed up at his home that night, shut the door and demanded. He go with him to cover his king, patch, many WBZ's ever see WBZ stands for Kuwait, boys. That's a pretty good start. I you gotta come. We gotta go. You gotta you gotta cover up that gang tattooed can't be with our gang Nomo. I like when you're white, gang member walks in the place to coming in. And he doesn't like what the plan tattoo got a goal. We got a place that you can't you done dishonored us. We brought our own kit down about a sewing NATO. Some black ink mixed with ashes like they do in the pan. Now, hold still hold on. Still on this day older. Damn selves. Would you fucking pussy act like a bitch? That's why can't be round us. No mouth can't be CW be no more. You ain't cou you cross headed hand. And that's on the Cape across Krause to cover this up with something that I think is appropriate for what you did appropriate. Fuck you Najer. Yeah. Only right that we tattoo, you the African nation of the whole continent. Now, I think they wanted to initially cut the whole thing off. Well, no, that's not. Why would they bring the surgery rivers skin on no-no that I don't think in Burnham? So, yeah, they wanted to take them away. But then Hart came up with a genius idea. And you come up with these. Things under pressure on K on mess. Well, I don't know if they're on drugs, but, I mean, you know, it seems like they've, they're on that spectrum of using why can't you cover my patch? Right. Where I'm sitting so yeah. Heart set. I'm not covered right here. I try to walk over there, going to your house be ambushed now. And so then with, with the they had the numbers on the guy. So he said that, that the two held him down, while singleton began covering the tattoo but heart still struggled and fought. So Haley knocked him out with a foreign object s heart calls fading back in briefly own down the the stuff. They did this dirty ends heart recalls fading back in briefly to Durham during the tatting in saying I've never done this before and someone replying, eighths, okay. Doesn't mater, Harto police, he passed out again from the pain when he woke up his phone was gone as well as any sense of comfort and. Here's why not that he didn't have internet connection anymore. Enough service paid enough service. He didn't have his apps his favorite apps close to him when he woke up his pants were twisted and his, but her the arrest report said Hart said he stated he was wearing blue jeans and felt something wet in his pants heart stated when you looked at his pants he saw what he believed to be blood. He stated that he felt like he'd been sodomized but could not provide any more details. I think especially yet you let details go at that. You need to maybe maybe go see those people again, this, you know, I'm in, I'm not inciting violence, but house is gonna end. Just gonna go to jail with the with the tattoo on his neck or do they get to see other Kamani more details? A turn this into like daytime soap opera or some. Yeah. You know, you gotta wonder it's like I guess that goes the idea of punishment. Our our idea of punishment. Sometimes gets away from us is that they initially went into covers that too. But the next thing, you know, somebody, but fucking the guy he's fucking. Yeah, just getting in there, and that ain't right? I'm feeling entitled, but the I mean, are we assuming that they, they fucked him, or do they like a room handle or some okay? Why did immediately go to the day fucked him? But yeah, I mean there's foreign objects flying all over the place. One hit him. Upside the head put him out and then the other cut went up his rectum. Comes this. There's this crazy story about this. This dude in Rome this in Roman times. This guy was, there's this really powerful, family, and they're, they're kinda like misfits, though, in this, some dude, makes fun of this guy sister. That's in this power family. And basically to get back at them. They, they had the do they meet the dude in the form in a rape him in the form. And that was that was how they were doing things back then publicly bears people crazy. So we're still doing it today. I guess. Yeah he's. Yeah. The, the other place that white people fucking up. But this, you know, the story I must say this is this is also one where there's, there's some it's not all bad news. Okay. And, and yes, maybe it's there are some there are some there are some black people in this. So Coachella linked to spike in herpes reports in southern California unfortunate diagnostic app, registered a big chain reported, ST case are they giving con of the coach Elie think, oh, sure, I mean, it's, it's you have access to these things just like you have access to water. But some people just wanna fuck and rage is times, real quick. Now. Just gotta get this is in real quick. That's. Yeah. And that's the even sometimes real quick, doesn't make it make it happen. Going back to the idea of we talked about the remote Roman society as like a suppressed immune system because maybe they're being points by lead once again here in good Chela your, your poisoned by desire hydrated. He might be on some sort of hard, natural and artificial drugs. You could be dancing all night fucking stop around in the mud and drinking and sill, and then get freaky. And then you see somebody, you guys lock is. And you know, there's, there's consent. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on and you never see each other again. But then your little friend pops up few days later when you attended an event like Coachella, you want to leave with memories that will last a lifetime. You don't want to diseases that were main just as long. But it seems large number fans you know every time you get that little arby's outbreak. You'd be thinking about Coachella. Guess that Emory that a last you live time nice little memory book. Yeah. Like when you plug on Facebook, your, here's your memory from seven years guy just like that it's like a fucking it's like it's ice pop. The original Papa. Sounds like you're. According to s TD diagnosis app herp alert, which is great. I mean these download that app, you know, you're on your Iraq. And what is that? Like sit there's a reported outbreak of herpes near you. I did hear this story talked about on the radio. I think herp alert is like a it's like an African. You can go around like a traditional doctor visit and you, they'll still prescribe you, you're anti-viral medication. So it's like if you're in barest, good, your, your primary care physician. Or if you're a college student don't have that all set up, you can actually get diagnosed via the app, and they'll send you some medicine. So it's like it's actually woke young, young people, getting medical care. Super woke. But coach L caused a two thousand percent increase in reported, herpes case in Indio since Coachella. First weekend Coachella goes over three weeks. Now, doesn't so it's like it's yeah, it's like it's herp cities credible three weeks. All told her lawyer says diagnosed one thousand herpes cases in southern California during the festival admittedly, her alerts data is in the most verse as it's only two years old site were exposed, here we go. Oh, this is great. So you wanna know about her alert. Well, I do whether I want to say, I'm not going this on you, the site works by allowing users to upload photo of their infections to doctors to diagnose their problems. So you can actually it's there's an app for you point gear the app, your penis, and it takes a picture of your bums. The medical professionals can then issue prescriptions to pharmacies to treat the very common herpes, virus previously, the last the largest spike in data came during the two thousand eighteen Oscars weekend. That's I mean, people just getting now, of course, you know, if you if you catch the her, it's like it's like it's a one way ticket to the most exclusive best club in the world in that people like to get freaky. Okay. And they're down for raw dog all. And they're down for something for a quick one in like you said, we never had seen his person. Yeah. So it's like it's like it's a pretty exclusive kind of cool club. What is the I gonna use all these herpes pictures for when they Finally I mean, they're just gonna have so much data on human beings? It's going to be easy to control us through Facebook in Harvey Pinal land thing again while. I'm just hey, you know, consciousness beamed from the cosmos, from the big bang. Maybe that's where consciousness comes from the big bang on spitball cross there. This is not even on this hypothesis that will be that is. No way. You can't disprove it. Really? So's. Not yet. They can't anyway sorry. I went off the rails. They're now I hear on the rails as far as I know I mean, I, I can't catch you on that prove or disprove. You know, the do you wanna talk about three on three MA fighting requests or am I may related cast in the Philippines going hard? It looks like a don't know. I feel like they're being too technical. Like I might just try to just try to you have to gang up on one person. Get him out of there really quick that that's theory might might theory for that kind of thing. Yeah. This was the three on three in the Philippines, and I I've also seen some some gangs. That's the announcer. For think I've also seen some Russian team MA fights to. Yeah. In. It's like I think you can. And so it's, it's basically a simultaneous battle three three three but I think the Russians like four on four is really noxious. And so, yeah. As soon as one person drops, then the tide of the battle media shifts over that. Oh, what's up? That's our that's original dugout bad guy. Oh, let's hey. You wanna talk. Bax about your bug out bay real quick. We wanted war just Patel's the contents of your bug out bag out my contents of my book all is all cash, porno maks for when shit goes down. I don't prepared. So what's in your bug out bags, speak into the microphone got a couple of pistols in my bug out bag few magazines? Who like nine millimeter magazines? Wait a minute in the apocalypse. What's what's up with like magazines for like their hobby magazines basically field? Fielding streams. I got Borno magazine. So that's why I was like, okay, what kind of magazines Smith unless than non millimeter compact, I got a missing. Shield, then I have a. Shield on that team pistol. A little ten half inch that can fit my backpacks. I got a collapsible, bud stock, basically what he's saying he's gonna roll. New avenue. That's the way you're gonna choir all these water filters penicillin and shit, just the heater got just I'm ready for whatever what else you got in there. Got to pair close in there some socks and underwear pace couple Imerys are got some needles in IV's just in case, you know, some shit goes down got a hatchet in a fire starter. Get hatchet got fach in there, which is like a little medical kit that she travel medical kit. What's the hatchet get you? I mean it's just like to build a lean to or something. Hatchet, do what if you're not got shops shit. Now. Okay. Shelter. You gotta fire you got fire starter. You got some of that it's called a will be. But it's basically like a poncho. And you can use it to, you know make makeshift tip. Yeah. Some, some shelter. The necessities in there. I got the necessities in my bag. That's what you got. I'm not climbing your bag. I'm just I'm just I'm just getting shit with my wife and two kids. So you've got to have a little bit. Porno. Definitely don't even. Because I'm on my own fast. And I think I can trade with them if I. You know, God forbid, you're on your own, and they Pakalitha, you know, you and I got a fucking stack of porno, MAGS sitting on in. Yeah. Maybe I got some protection to or you don't know that. I think you're going to barter for that thing. I might be able to get hatchet out of that magazine. No. He was just I might kill, you know, make you. See sears. Before, like I said, I'm not coming. You know, I might be strapped to you don't know that. What's that we're boys? Well, the clips changes things. Good to know your allegiance. That's. That fellow was the one who inspired us about the, the bugah axe this. And of course, I mean his book bag look legit. Got a kit. I would call that more. Awful. Yeah. So you need to definitely car to travel with that. Yeah. I think again is really that a lot of you got. But there's only so much blast in that goes on. And then after that you do have to build shelter. Start a fire and all that stuff. And he's got that covered too. Yeah. Yeah. What's the last time we're anything like that has happened in America? I guess we've had regional shit were stuff like that happens, like we're fucking flood or something, you know, but then been anything watch bread like that. Well, like, yeah I mean go back to when New Orleans, the, the dam broke the levees broke in New Orleans, and flooded after five days after that, hurricane bug out. You're gonna get out of there, you know, where else your fucking sitting on a roof waiting for somebody to come and help you but helping comment for days weeks, and I'll folk them without power and water. That's you know, like we review that one are we read that one article the guy said? That if the power goes out, you don't have clean water anymore. He half the population. The United States is dead within thirty days, even it was less than thirty days. Yeah, it's gotta be, you know, I mean, the grocery stores who'd be the only place where people can clean water. I mean. Fuck. I don't know dude. I guess I'd start driving hope to get delighted trying to look for maybe like a stream type place and I'd start a start trying to get an animal. I guess handle the fire. Everybody's on the road. Everybody's on. It's so depressing. It's fuck fucked. That's why. That's why. Yeah. Which I'm not. But. Maybe we should we should start up like a bug out bag. Business where we dislike we have options for people to get bug out bags three made bugging pre made bags and they do that, a lot with, like, the they do have there are companies that are successful that provide people, you know, buckets of food and stuff like that. They're, they're specific for that society goes down aunt, or, and there's also bunker, builder companies in so. Yeah, bug out bag is kind of a necessary piece of that quesion that I think is not marketed. Well, yeah, everybody's bug out. Bags gonna be different, though. Yeah. Just like just like mine is different than than our, our mystery front. Our mystery guest. Are you actually dropped his name do? No, I didn't. We'll have to be that out. And I did I really feel like I was safe with that. Now he did. I just I get excited. You know. Just real quick on that. The three three m may or the foreign four it's like you can tell how much country values humans values life by the style of MA fights willing to have. Maybe maybe. What would you say about our good, well, but, yes, a Russia has this shit in also like the Philippines and Russia, have you seen the par core. Yeah. I wasn't sure if I was making that up in my head, but I was like, I think they do they put you on, like a course. So there was levels, there's levels inches even worse because now can spike people down over a balcony. Yeah. You really fuck somebody up just like jumping him hide him or something. And that's a Russian creation, all the way. Well, the Russians are innovators, you know, as we've seen with the with our friend, the beluga whale, actually. Yeah. The let me get that open here are innovators alleged Russian spy wail is refusing to leave and seeking a new regions. Attention authorities say has guys a seeking asylum. That's what he's doing. Yeah. Keep me away from the Russ, they are abusive, that's on telling these guys are, as you know how to fly I, I want that forehead. They gotta be telling an alleged Russian spy, Wales refusing to leave Norwegian port city in what appears to be a high profile defection after a week of global attention on a nicknamed beluga feel it blowing up ship that go back. They will kill me. I cannot gleam asylum in Norway. Your beluga Russian accent is pretty good. Thank you. Thank you. In the spectrum of our of our of our foreign accents, here on the trip house, ready are Norwegian directorate of fisheries official Georgian for we wig, good luck. With told the Washington Post. The beluga was the first thing I you got a Norwegian accent on. You fuck. No. I do Japanese excellent sound like who is the first thing I saw that the window of his patrol ship in the morning, speaking from the city of Hammerfest cool name fucking once he wants to be a Norwegian, he's probably spy though. That's, that's he's getting. He got me, you see that what the Norwegian beluga with his cute little face. Yeah. Claiming side. I'm so cute shut up. You stand the fucking. Blue whale double double-o, Bolovia just bloop, right in the forehead big forehead with a bullet go back. The Russia hope they string. Yup. Fucking blew the jerky at but can make crepes Moyle. The, the whale had moved only twenty five nautical twenty five nautical miles within the past week and appeared to enjoy being close to humans, which he noted was strange for a beluga. In. So this blue is actually still cruising around the city of hammer fest, contrary to the species normal behavior. The beluga has allowed residents to pets knows over the last few days, even the white belugas are usually, social animals, often gathering groups, they are normally extremely shy, unless they're isolated skin into on folks. That's right. That's ports for injury. And they had the, the beluga had at harness wrapped around its body with some electrics on it. So they cut the shit off. And this is how slobby the Russians are. The Whigs and inspection. The harnessed later recovered. Red equipment, Saint Petersburg, layer Shannon, to harness over to the whatever their equivalent of the CIA as you just that guy got away. Maybe he escaped, you know, the Russian program, the ROY Russian beluga whale education program. And then, before we got on the before we got on the broadcast here, the podcast, you were saying, you know, wells, got such ship deal, and they certainly do shit deal. But so does a says a cow, you know? Cows. Cows. Our causes smartest Wales. Not that, that matters. Are you a polite society that should matter? I guess. Yeah. How smart the animal is. We have been feeling could pigs are smart to write really smart like three year smart, and many three year olds. He put on your putting in your Skillet will know three three year olds aren't as tasty at assume as pigs. I don't know. I've never had three year old. Yeah. But, you know, I think I'm not gonna eat humans unless I have to know I'm not dumb not down on that. That's not what I'm put it on your spectrum. You know. No. No, not on my menu. Any last thoughts for the Trump house variety, our nation will, I think game thrones came through who just recap or give us your prediction since you're since you're since you're one for one on major major predictors, you know, you predicted the are in night, king thing are in night. King thing I did in enough, but I it's like it's such an unsatisfying pursuit that I would be able to predict something that has so many dimensions to. Right. It's a multidimensional prediction. There's a there's in the stupid series hundreds of characters. Okay. And I predicted the method and the means and the person I was like a clue like Mr. mustard in the canister should bet on they have your, your internet markets. They have they do, but the odds are terrible. I mean they answer. The book the book not that I even risk anything on that. But the book won't give good odds for your risk. You know what I mean that they the way that they frame those odds? It's just they can't lose. And I'm not I'm not really that interested in that thing. And it was an incredible long shot. But like I said, I had a vision vision, and I had a vision that the way that the store I you know, I went inside my mind, and I actually, I was like the three eyed taco, Kroger using your piney Glen for for minute new uncalculated nets right in, in, in the surgery recently procedure. I recently had my forehead unl-. Maybe unlocked knock some of the crust loose. Oh, maybe you're not drinking tap water. You haven't had as much fluoride you're able to see that Comrie. I'm able to visualize. H B O episode before they happen. That's my that's my second. So do tell us Swami what's going to happen this week? Okay. Well, or what are the major plot developments just going back to, to the trap house Friday? Our episodes, two episodes. Go my direct quote is aria will kill the Nike enhanced combat. Okay. I'm just going to carry through my other previous predictions. Is that? The what's his name. The Lancasters Jamie Jamie answers will kill each other during influ grantee during sex or post in Cody, Cody, yes, they will kill each other. Okay. So those two are, are destined to die in each other arms. And one of the other is gonna kill the other. And then, then, then there might be who knows what happens, then, John and Danny. Neutralize each other, somehow, the redhead ascend old eight what John Danny, like come to some degree in Santa gets the throne. The Pinal land is somewhat cloudy on that. How John Danny thing resolves, but it gets resolved in a way that neither of them ascend can the red head the Google that gloomy redhead ascends the throne in now. She's just like she's got the Jon snow disease where she's got a front face all the time now to. It's gonna have her fucking ugly mug in the whole thing. Heavy is the head. Where's the crown? So they say, well, okay. All right. So my predictions are already cast in stone, and so far they all come true, but it's a very unsatisfying pursuit. This prediction of the game of thrones universe. Well, because I had the ultimate victory and it's just it felt hollow to me. You know. You know, it wasn't everything you thought it would be even like within our group of like. Yeah. Like. So fast out people are fucking type eighty paragraphs cluding myself, you know, and there's pictures and fucking, you know, but what did I expect they're gonna help out on my feet? Like in give me offerings. You know it's like you are God. I guess I watch. The other thing about the game of thrones and this is, I think, someone a common complaint is that it's so fucking dark. It's like it's not just dark, right? I mean, but it's money the way that the thing is filmed used as money. Now, the director of the episode actually came out and said, if it's too dark, your TV's, fucked up, I just absolute fucking garbage. I turn the brightness up on TV, but that's the only soda I've noticed that on, you know, all the all the other personas are well shot like last night. One of my friends was over that has started in season seven so he can see battle the bastards, and I'm like, dude, you've gotta watch shit in. So we were watching that last night and it's fucking great battle the battle happens during the day. Otherwise, you don't see battles happening at night, suck. It's going to be dark. Susan hasn't than new ages with fucking streetlights shit. You know, but it's like I think it's a little, it's a little lazy for the director to get. Mad at the viewers who are just saying, hey, I can't, I can't follow the action in a way that I I feel as a standard, you know, there's all sorts of dark scenes in and people can come in and out of sight, and still, you can still have nicely defined seen, you know, and especially now with the technology that we have, you know, the super high resolution super color output. That, that's just like a that's, like a mean lazy director there a fire that fuck on the spot. I don't know. I feel like there was an element of that with that darkness helped like that helped give you that feeling of anxiety or in like kind of really being there. Not. I mean as much as you can get where, like if you're, if you're down there on the floor are on the battlefield. You can't see fucking shit in your fighting a bunch of dead, dudes, you know. Yeah. So it makes them look more keeping them abstract. Like that makes it a little more scary. I'm with you. I understand a little bit more. Yeah. Yeah. So if they if they were doing that all the time, I would I would be down with those complaints. But that's kinda I mean, unless we get another night battle, which I don't think like they're fighting a human army. I don't think there would be finding night in. And that's another thing that kind of a gripe that I had was how they wrapped up that night, king story, you know, so had like in the whole universe when we will go back. Is it going to be summer again? What happens there is night, king? He's gone forever. I don't understand how that affects the universe, you know, in that should matter. I guess, but it's just kinda won me. One too much from game of thrones. I feel like so we'll help me with this. Why was the night king created in the first place? I saw that there was at that woodland fairy carrot lady, who, like who, who, who stand who stabs some rand like random light ranch hand. And like Beata deny king. Why did the woodland fairy do that? The woodland the children of the forest is what those people were called in. They were I think they were the original habit, inhabitants of west rose and then the first man came over, and they started like killing the children of the forest in cutting down, all there, we were with trees, those white trees with the face the face on it. Okay. And so this icy sues lose just Niculae payback yet. Well, she, she made the first why Walker on that. And that's where the guys tied up when they shove a piece, he's ice or not piece of dragging glass into his chest. Right. That's she made them trying to trying to combat the humans. Like she wanted to make a weapon to destroy the humans within the fucking. They lost control of basically in more able to. You know control him. So they teamed up with the men and now they were fighting the, the white walked. But we haven't seen the children of forces. So the children, the force actually started like vita made the first why Walker and they keep up with humans. They, they made the first white Walker to kill off humans to, to keep to fight against the humans from killing them. And then now they then at the end in the times that we're now in the in the series that they have teamed up with humans because the white walkers have gotten out of control. And so are there still children, the forest run around I'd assume but I don't know. Maybe they all died in that whole thing with the hauteur the door in remember that maybe they all died then because we don't think we've seen him since then neighbor way, far north. You know. So the other thing, a lot of people were griping about was that they wanna John snuck fucking kill the white king. John snuggie. Do all kinds of shit cooled Oregon's in love, you know, she's otherwise. I mean, she's killed a bunch of major like kill the Waller fraiche, he'll little finger, but, you know, she she hack and slash your way through that whole fucking dead dungeon. Sure to get to the night came. Yeah. One hundred percent. I think it's cool at our got that. Yeah. I kill Johnson had his chance. Yeah. Dude, the foot in the Starks and Johnstone Ari about to be like taco west rose, everybody. Everybody talks about how John snow how bad ass. John snow is when they hear that Aric. Kill the Nike seem to be like, what this eighteen year old or she is in the show. She killed the Nike this little girl in basically. So that will be fun. She ought to get some clout some some west Rosie clout in John snow. Like during the whole battle of the NBA's. He's like, dragon surfing around, like flying in the clouds out Santa Gail time the dragons burning up enough shit. Mike. Mike. Why were they up flying around in shit? They should have been just like hanging out by the castle just flaming everybody that will just born it on in. There was a bunch of you sent me that strategy article like hell doesn't make sense. They had fucking up bunch of dumb shit. Like, why would you send the death Raqi by themselves when you can't even see what's going on? You know, I've loved you to send them into the fucking fire ended the e and even even like e e have it pretty easy plot point where you could just say, like some, some like fucking dearth Rockies, like no more waiting week hill. Now, you know, let's go. Yeah. And then they'll go in a stampede. They didn't even bother that the earth right here like sweet. We got flaming sword. Let's go us. Yeah. Why not send one? How come they're not using their catapults in just hidden that I like? Yeah. You send any soldiers in there. That's like that's all they needed to do, just hire like I mean, the higher, like first Lieutenant and just say, hey, can you can you consult us on thing? Yeah. In like. Yeah. This this super nerdy article was dislike was nitpicking at the military exercise of the whole thing where they had their artillery setup in front of this. The first wave of defenders which is, you know. Yeah, yeah, they should have been inside the castle. I would think, like put the fucking artillery out of the way inside of the castle, if they can fit, you know, or put the, the demand with penises in the, the helmets in front of right? Yeah. Right. How about that now to work start their insure? And then you could just bomb away those things, you know, but back to John snow have no wheels like he like had a line on the night, king. And like he was like, just like he was just Mosey in his way towards the night, king. You know, he was trying to be like, semi sneaky about. Yeah. I mean you know. That was a thought. Maybe they we're going to have that, that sword fight that would have been fun. But once you see those, those guys start start raising up, there were plenty of moments where I was like, there's no way anybody's getting out of this now. That was that was fun. It was nice. They did a very good job with that of Maki feel like party is fucking over. It's like these mother fuckers. I think I sent that to the, the snapshot group brothers guys are fucked. There's, there's nothing else to say that. Yeah, sir wins the gator early I gotta agree with that. I must say last thing about the, the, the night king that he wasn't a very scary looking in the end. I always, he always kind of looked like you know, just kind of pretty wafer thin. I wasn't scared my him. He definitely benefited from that, that the, the let the not having as much screen time. You know, that makes him scary, you know coming. They do that in a lot of horror movies, you notice that where like, like Jason in the original movies, like you don't see him full-frontal lich shot of him. You know that take some of the mystique off of it, you know. Yeah, he didn't look. It was pretty cool. How walk through the dragon fire and everything? But yeah, he didn't look as as imposing like like when John snow fought that one mother fucker at heart home, the big while guy and he was like, eight feet tall. Yeah. I was like, oh, that was a little scary. Yeah. So versus. Ninety sort of like Billy idol ish sort of, you know, kind of, you know, I'm not really not very imposing. But he's got magical powers Scher what the fuck was brand doing. Is there any fucking report on that? Can we get some? I thought he was going to do some cool shit, and we'd get to see some back in time shit. Maybe we'll get some more back dodging peace down the whole thing, he's like, sorry, I gotta go. I'm going to go through the clouds with these fucking ravens in chase the night, king. He's basically just a raven flight junkie. You know, he's like he just he's gotta get his hit as raven. He's like, sorry me. Come on, man. My tree may I need to I need to see my treated day. Come on. Yeah. Take take me out there, man tree. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, oh, this is a this is a crucial time where you go. I see these ravens even with a smile on his face. He's. Safer now, y'all might die. But I you know, I'm get one last. Yeah. Yeah. So, well, I think it's time for you to go do some jujitsu, but he trying to get some roles in today. Get going. Yeah. Okay. Moses Rexon Ramon, signing off. John. When is it avai fellas? What? The didn't. I. The moon.

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Ep 248 | Phil's Alternative to Overthrowing the Government, Al's New Movie & Jase's Space Invaders

Unashamed with Phil Robertson

51:28 min | 2 weeks ago

Ep 248 | Phil's Alternative to Overthrowing the Government, Al's New Movie & Jase's Space Invaders

"Him unashamed what about you This pan pollen is started hitting here in louisiana ivy nosed onto your all. Yeah a lot of it. Well the problem is people like me we are. I am an allergy sufferer. We talked about suffering and last guests. I've had in my whole life. I guess i get it from you. Don't really have the issue so it's just it's brutal year round because we live in a place really not fit for human habitation. The place of extremes extremes. Why a lot of stuff here. That will hurt you whether the critter bears dirty. And and then he got me. I should be living in arizona or somewhere. Where the air colorado or something probably. But you know we're from here tough just kinda deal with it so i had to stop by the way this morning. We were a little late getting started. Because i had to get two shots in the buttocks is about twice a year. It gets so bad just with headaches. That i have to go get it. You know like a shot some steroids. So i'm feeling a lot better sitting here but i woke up. This morning is read. You know it's so so last night. I experienced something. I've never experienced so at the wifi road. We screen prescreened movie. That's releasing next week and it's call roe versus wade and so it's about you know what happened. The the whole supreme court trial the hotel. Some really big name actors in it you know so it is as well as we were scre prescreening because and are you know were heavily involved in the pro-life movement and But what was ironic about it. So i was kind of hosting web. Who come in from the community loppy from our church by about two hundred people in the fellowship center to watch the movie and now you know we got these new digital screens so it really is amazing. It looks really great so but the thing that was different about this is in the movie i have. This is your. This was the one i talked about a long time ago finally took a long. You don't last long way. Well i just to don't don't don't ruin it. No all our lardo. it's okay. I have two scenes in the movie. So i i play the attorney who Connected norma mccorvey. Who was the jane roe in roe versus way. I connected her with planned. Parenthood and the movie is really amazing. Because it just gives you the behind the scenes on what happened with the thing. What amaze me was i. I you know this. This is a supreme court decision. That in our lifetime is the one that has the biggest one that's affected our culture. I mean that's pretty fair to say right. I mean so terrible this. Here's what's amazing about because of obviously who controls media and all that you realize. There's never been a movie made about the supreme court's no never. There's been one miniseries. Because i researched it when i was gonna be in this movie because i wanted to make sure you know i was on the right side of thing. I want to make sure it was something. I wanna to put my name. Yeah i've had so many contacts after post our little duck show about you know 'cause i wanna be in western which i'm still waiting. I had one come up and i was. I don't care don the first five minutes right one. Come riding up on the horse and say you know audi but or whatever you know but most of the ones i've gotten are just just. I just can't do this. You know so so in. This one is My scenes to scenes thou film and once about in the middle of the movie and so that was in there. I was kinda worried. Because i thought you know movies may where. They cut scenes all the time if it doesn't quite fit so i said i've told the whole charts and all these people i'm this movie and we watch it and i'm not in it. I mean it was. It was a possibility. Because i'd never seen the film with the my talking. Part my lines. That's in there. Because he's kind of they're describing. They're basically getting together and figuring out how they're going to hoodwink. This pregnant woman was which is what they did in means these tactics your lines. Yeah did carly went with me. And she was my little acting coach. You know you like put it in your own words or did you know you gotta like 'cause hit that's the difference s. I'm pretty good at just you know ad-lib and that's what we did on dynasty. But when you've got like everybody's mark enough a you doing it right and these are professional people. Yeah i'm just l. You know so. I was super intimidated about the scene. You got to become the person. When i stretch myself as an actor days plan this attorney so so feel massine and then the other seen that film which was a couple of weeks after this guy he gets murdered. This attorney executed actually in so they. They wanted to film at the him. His someone kills someone killed him. They find out that still don't know there's a man imprisoned for doing it but they still don't know the motive at all. Look and the attorney that i played was a homosexual so the story was is some kind of levers tryst but i don who ever heard of a levers trestle when somebody marches somebody out in the field and shoots him three times in the back. So i don't know about that but anyway still controversial is what happened to so we film scene but instead of getting shot in the back for dramatic effect. They shot me in the front. So call it in the movie business. They call it getting squeezed. Oh you died in. Oh yeah did you have like exploding. So there's a guy just off camera. I was wondering how they did. He's got the remote control in in my shirt that they put this pat two patches. I mean Packets of blood. Or what is right at. Are you not even know. Oh it may be. It's it's it's a rough movie to watch chris exploding. Yeah well. But i'll get to that so so anyway. The guy comes up any marches me out there and get down on my knees. And then he's got a gun he just pow pow tw- that guy hits the thing because you only had two shots at this attitude blood packs so some screws up the budget issue cleo yes is probably on this thing is malta but i think this was a six million dollar producer anyway bam and then i just then we talked about. How do you know what happened. I'm down on my knees. Because they wanna shit a sold out. And just as plan and where i did so they were take go back but that's all i'm on my knees. You really wouldn't go back would you. So we had this little discussion about what to do. So i basically just so anyway. But that didn't make the movie and so oh. I didn't know super disappoint us. Oh because i told the church you know. I'm gonna get shot in the movie and then it never happened and so i thought well all right so i got up after kind of close this out and i said well i didn't get shot. So get that footage for your own personal. He sent it to me. Yeah so so so. I got on the phone last night. Actually a tweet is up at the movie. And then nick who's the director and the star of the movie who worked on torch bear with us. We we met him they. I got to know and He saw he takes he said. Hey you at the premiere. And i was like yeah. And he's like why. I'm there and i was like you're at my church and he was like. Oh i'm in covington. Louisiana had one in covington so he was there so anyway he said man that the debt your desk thing. He called it his oliver stone moment because he said it looks really cool and he said i had to cut it because they test these movies to audiences and because the guys only in one scene like even with narration. They rely wh who. Who is that like. Why did he kill. It was confusing so we finally so he just he had to cut. It was just may have been a nice way. You should just live shot and you just started running like i refused that. And they're i mean like i should have had more i should have sold out more on the but anyway it did make the movie but so he said do you want to see it in in so he sent it to me today. So we'll get to look at it anyway but it was. I mean it was a it was a great experience. Just be you know. I've been around enough sets. Because i was doing the show but it was. It's a it's a little bit different union but the like john little weights in the whole supreme court. The nine justices would if you watch the movie. They're all well-known actors you recognize. These guys are there so they are all in the project which was really good. It's a pro-life movie. it's really good. So it releases. Oh good friday. April second nationwide. So i don't know with corona. I don't know how many theaters that'll be an all day. I'm sure the khurana restrictions. I i saw somewhere. I've spent a lot of time in waiting rooms and whatever the news is on. You can't change the channel. But i did. I did see something it. It's at breaking news. The cdc in some instances have gone from six feet to three feet. And how do we get to these decisions because none of this is practical. I've been in a hospital for days and like in the elevator. I was in an elevator that was about six by six and they have signs everywhere that says keep six feet apart. I can't make myself any smaller. We're in fouls people come in is like what. What do we do. get in your corner. But you're in an elevator. And i i mean three feet. I wasn't getting within three feet of people before the around virus. She just didn't want to be that close. I don't it's called a space invader the corona. I saw it coming. And i did exactly what i've always done job the town once a week. I'm back they cancel by. It can't do that anymore. So who cancelled that the government. You can no longer me in a group. I said i said well. The text has loomed large when jesus said or two. Three of you are gathered in my name. I'll be there. So that's that's a bad. I actually retreated a little father had already retreated but jays mesa good point so we're a year into this and all of a sudden it's like you know what we said six feet we really well. I'm like the science always sitting around having meetings about this over three feet. I mean it's not. I just don't believe i would say baptized about one hundred people. Maybe hundred and fifty is that it's those hundred have given it to say. Look i've made us. Then we within three. I have my hands on the back of their head and their their hands in front and i pushed him down in some water and they come forth and i for some reason i feel. Here's the bottom line. There are some things this is what the left side of this argument. Don't understand there's we we believe there's a god and he's real and he's all powerful and we'll try to. I think most spiritual people have tried to work as a good american citizen. We live in the world. We try to abide by the rules. However there are a few things that i'm willing to risk my life for. And if i'm going to go to an event where there's a thousand people who are risking their life quotation over here in. Jesus you know what i'm there and that's probably how i got my mom in and i'm going in airplanes and you know i mean i'm i'm basically going around because i just feel like i've got to make a spiritual decision here. I'm trying to stay within the parameters but you know if someone wants to be baptized. I'm not gonna say. Oh i would love for you know to get you to reenact the death burial and resurrection and we go to heaven together and we get this rule that i can't get within. Three feet of us can be hard to baptize you without getting getting close. I heard about this. One of the things is changed in the business world. I've notices the llc. Ever since you've been able to start a business so now most of probably all of us that the i have at least three different businesses that i saw in the old days we start a business it was just inc was all you could do. And so you know you wouldn't think about multiple businesses but now because of tax reasons it becomes an easier way to do it but one of the problems is when you have a lot of small. Businesses is that businesses begin to grow. And you get employees then you got. Hr problems because you got all these requirements you know now that we have new administration we're gonna have more regulation so you gotta deal with all that they put all these rules on and it's hard to do. It's seventy grand a higher. Hr manager so there's a company sponsors our podcast called bambi m b e and basically for ninety nine dollars a month they give you a hr manager by phone or email or real time chat so it's month to month no hidden fees. You can cancel anytime. So you can go to bambi dot com slash robertson. Get a free. Hr audit so. They'll tell you what you need you. And then they can start happening. That's bambi a. m. b. e. dot com slash robertson. I heard about some churches as that. Drain their baptistery. Because they were like. We're not going to baptize in. That's onset and that's when. I heard that i thought man 'cause i'm jay and i said this from the beginning if i get it and even if i die from it because we got some criticism from some of our listeners. We aren't taking the series enough. It was like now. I'm taking taking it serious. And i realized that people have lost. And i hate that and now and i think there should. There should been more talk about. If you're a high risk profile right. They should have tougher restrictions. Nobody talks about that. I'm like you know if you're over. Seventy which i didn't have to tell you that because you you got it. You're you're already been lated from society realized that about two thirds of all the coronal Virus deaths in the. Us were in nursing homes. Yeah two thirds which is forcing you to your point. Yeah that should have been nine. One went on the nursing. Homes day. We lost mris grandma. Yeah she followed every procedure that there was to follow and she's still got it. Which is what nobody on the other side of the argument. They're not addressing that we played by the rules and she still got it so it you know i think in in all of these things is just like any other thing. In life there are some common sense to be applied. And you just do the best you. can't you know at a macro level. I think when we talk about positives from the pandemic we talked about what we've been through our livestream reach people in humans. Just mentioned hundreds of people have come to christ thousands. Maybe because because all of a sudden it's like the world upside down but one of the things that's happening. I think there's going to be a real positive down. The road is the federal government has amassed so much power in in dc that that's not what the founders intended the idea. The republic was the states would have the power. So i think one of the things that this is done at a micro level is that it's allowed states to run their states again because you'll have a guideline newsom in california with very draconian restrictions and still still is and then you've got the santa down in florida whose basically just been wide open for pretty well and their numbers are the same. That's right so it's proving the fact that you don't just because somebody in some places them in our state we're not going to do it that way and that's what the founders really intended for the country to be less concentrated power because they want to get away from that monarchy and more in the state so i think that's going to be a positive it's gonna come out of the pandemic i really. Did you know so that'll be one of the many things. But anyway. I don't know i guess we're over a year now into it and you're still talking about it because it still affects so many people talking about it because they're saying go from six to three that's just where to mass now or three so forget about. What does that bother to where too. I mean look. Here's what i know. There are some people in our world who are space invaders and they're the ones that need to back off. Because i don't like it when somebody you know there's a couple of people at our church now you know who they are because they come up and now they have a mask on but i can smell yesterday's coffee because the guy is like six inches from my ear. I'm like i try to position my feet to where he is climbing although mink later and they don't realize they have that problem. But i'm like you need to listen to the cd and three feet. Their brother that's the pa. I was trying to be part. That's the positive of having this feet because there are a lot of people have a problem. You pre pandemic that were space invaders and anything that get those people to back off is. I'm a wellness. The little things like you own a plane. The flight attendant has a mask on. You got a mask on she. She can't hear you can hear her is just i mean this is the line is and i used to not mind fly. I don't like flying. But i don't mind and there quicker so i was like i'm in flight mode but now i'm just is just a miserable experience in the airports. Half the things are shut down. You know we're used to go in and get you something to eat. No you know. It's just like it's just. Yeah it's tough. made it tough spent. it's been hopefully. We're coming out now of tough in the days of the roman empire to acts chapter today. We've got we. We have tricks. Throw people in prison photography about jesus Sound familiar day so jason so when you were gone one one of the your your feelings was we had callaway them in He had preached acts ten eleven. And you data. When i dropped out of podcast a couple of weeks ago. Y'all had talked about x ten which basically brought in the gospel to the romans. That's it to the house with cornelius and it was interesting what we talked about days in between today. We're gonna get to twelve was in chapter. Eleven that that the church jerusalem church. They were not happy at all about the news that now the gentiles were him. That's correct so. When peter went back he had to basically retail the whole story and say no boys this is this is from the almighty because the same thing that happened on pentecost just happened again but we co we talk quite a bit about change and and churches and sometimes how that mindset you get so locked in because you know we're talking about ten years here. Basically eight to ten years have gone by and so people already starting to get rooted in the idea that this is the jews. Only thing the gentiles coming in caused quite a bit of friction. Think the key verse was in chapter eleven. Seventeen we're we're you know. Peter it finally he realize that if god gave them the same gift as he gave us who believed in the lord to think that i could oppose guy. I mean i just wish that fundamental principle would catch on. Today is now broken. Up every group of pino into their own little. Count down here next after ten to twelve. How is the solution to all form any form of racism correct. That's it. what were the orders from headquarters. Say y'all one there's no favoritism between jew gentile another color what all one well one we're all on dissolves everything. I like how to this day right. I like how the spirit of god is used to bring people under that umbrella right. He did the same thing in first. Corinthians twelve we've all been given the same spirit to drink you know here's a pretty powerful Note that god sent peter. Yeah because peter is wadi pick him because he had he had Leanings toward the o. Jewish yeah 'cause remember when he got the vision he didn't wanna eat the food remember when he got into a little ban when glacier power call them off on the saturday so what's his separate no here and you get your little cadre era of jews. But you're not paying attention to the gentiles to add. That happened on the time line. That happened after this. Yeah so it shows you that once you have a tendency sometimes you tend to wanna go back there. And so he's getting pressure from these jewish christian brothers to to ignore the house and this is the council culture at its worst right here. Oh exact popped in my head when we moved out here. I was Going into the third grade our talking. What my first day of school up here at school. That i agree that love. You know just out in the middle of the sticks i ask you out. There recess guy come up invaded my space got a little. I thought he's going. Hey how you doing this space as a project from the beginning and about four guys lined up behind him in a line and i thought well we got going here he just reached up and just slapped me. A cross efface. Let's just exactly like an episode from matt dillon. They walk into the bar. That's about one leader guy. Yeah yeah the loud mouth and about four back in amer okay. Here's welby and matt dillon. They called him in yet. They call him and he puts a bullet in most usually and the show was over. So i still and there's coffee. Yeah so why did you hit me. He said because you're not from around here are of course. I did the typical. You know eight-year-old stunt. I said you better not do that again. Which is a dumb thing to say. He came up again. And then i just got run because the only quality i had is fast and look then. They were so impressed that my speed that they didn't care of racism even takes place if you not but ten years old because i just thought you know we're reading here from around you're not from around here so guess what. Welcome with a slap across the face. What a welcome. And i will say this that five years later fast forward five years later that same fella who slapped me now. We're getting older because you know an eighth grade that school went to today. Great we had a guy come out there who had been you know we learn later had been in and out of foster care but he's little bigger bigger fellow and this guy he day one. You still look when he went to hit him. That guy ducked his head. And kate owed mr welcome and i'm talking about k. Went out and he just fell over. Forget playing a scene. I mean he is an. I thought he killed him. And he break-up his going. Where'd you come from you from around here. Hang out to capri so jess you talking about the The stress of driving in a big city. Which is it's probably nothing. I do is more stressful than that. You know you have to go through just literally gear up. You know to be ready for going through their can't imagine doing it every day with all these reason be stressed out one of the things. We are not stressed out about is losing our hair at least at this table You know we've been blessed by him pretty good hair. I got a little bit of ball spot. Starting on the top could be dan. You know which you quit using the terminology makes you pull your hair. You ought to be losing it that way. So if you early male pattern baldness We've got a company that's been with us Almost the whole podcast keeps the basically what they do. Help you keep your head. They can't help you go back so you got to get to him. Pretty quick as i can have gone answer some questions you take pictures and show them they have a doctor that reviews your information and then get you started so if you need these guys. It's keeps dot com. K. e. p. s. dot com slash door. You get fifty percent off your first order for being a listener to unashamed keeps dot com slash door and don't stress out about. Oh in ronnie. I didn't plan on what happened. What happened dylan role. The kid was matt dillon. Here's an ironic. Twist years later we get we get missing. I get married. We lived in an apartment for a while our first house that we malt which wasn't very nice. The my next door neighbor was that guy. Same guy had mellowed asset and alon drank beer all day and so. I thought you know what we're adult now. I'm gonna have to share. Jesus with this fellow and i actually believe in the couple of years that we sent there. I you know i. Don't you hate to tell a story and say oh. Attorney came to jesus but he really listened and we had a good relationship and i shared a poured. Jesus any new jersey. Do you remember the time you just me. Yeah i was just wondering if you went there ever say why he did that. He said he was just a bullying at this. What he did. And then. I said well i remember that day on eighth grade. Bully met a bigger bigger. He said you know the lights went out. Like i woke up thinking what in the world happened was like oh. He sidestep income with a left hook because he was left handed. San realize it southpaw. And i said when he hits you like every bone in your body broke it was also and you said it right. It's because this kid at had to fight for his his life. I mean that's rough. We fought back then. I remember getting a little gang tight fight in about the eighth or ninth grade and and it was all that it was just whatever was different about other people We were all white but it just whatever wherever you're from yeah just fighting other problems. The way they did the school back in our day. Was you go into eighth grade. This one school. Then you went to another school in ankara then you had another school madden and every time we'd come in you'd have to do these battles all over your with you. They were now. You're right when you move to the. That's why yesterday out of the group of about ten or twelve that Requested that are baptism. I said i preach the gospel to make sure they understood. They had to put their faith in. Jesus what he's done for his death on a cross bear rhetoric. I gave him a powerful sermon and they were for multiple states. Two of them noticed when they when they walked. I was up in the baptist. And as they ma'am are coming down on one side and the women were coming down the other side where they get their baptismal clothes on so a couple I asked him. I said son. How old you. That's what i'm the first one came down. I said i didn't wouldn't check in the age. I just was baptized. Came forward so the first one. I said holly houston. He said thirteen. And i told the brothers out there. The brothers were seated out there watching watching their the the new birth of these people. I said thirteen years old. I said you know for her. You who are saying. I don't know you know that's pretty young. I said i just want. He told me was thirteen. I real back my life. When i was thirteen. And i was kind of like jason about i said i did quite a bit of mischief at thirteen said i i believe i knew what was right and wrong was i said so. Come on and son go. i'm bob ties and the thirteen hit. Close enough. it doesn't give an age on win you baptize somebody but the bottom line was thirteen. Young buck. I said that it's pretty obvious at that point when i always take people to glaciers five hundred thirteen eighth grade nine eight nine right now gray but story gives a little momentum that middle school is about where you start to figure out. You know it's weird is when i went off came to the lord opposite always fourteen and always felt guide. Call me to that age group because it was so difficult to live for. Jesus at that age already feel awkward. And i was up. I was a late bloomer. So i was so small and came from pretty rough group way. I've got whipped consistent. I i would stand up and fight. Click get booked surround. How did the atheist among us. I love them all this. I don't care agnostic. whatever. I love him ponant. Jesus but how do you explain that particular human characteristic when when children girls and boys when they turn about them early teenage years always call it. I said where it all of this. What all this hostility come from. Where's all that stuff coming from. It's a good point if you if you order department in salt water put in your conscience right and wrong and they team up and form little groups. They begin to divide before you very asked think about it out at a very young age. Jays made the point a minute ago. Unity is common cars because the same kids who are fighting you put them in another setting where there other people are after them and then we're together that's correct so the most fights ahead with in my life was willie. I'm talking about physical. Alternate been well documented. Your own brother demaim brother but then you left to cain and abel f. One thing happened to him. Oh i was standing beside him. I'm like no you can't fight him that pick on my brother. Yeah we're now. If you come at one of us she'd come at all but that's what we don't have in our society as j whole you know the code back in the days y'all remember it. No fighting. I said you have disagreements over but if it ever turns to blows that's when i step in and the belt goes on all involved ariza code writing in the house and the code was broken. Oh me about it. 'cause y'all weren't around all young lawbreakers jays. That's what y'all were young lawbreakers. I can other bright but you mentioned that about whether it's agnostic. Not just that. But it's just our culture today the idea you know e. pluribus unum out of many one. I mean the founders had the ride because look everybody's coming here from other countries as on our current also stuff is all over the place but the but now in a weird way i mean we desegregated our society which was a good thing and and tried to build this unity and i read just this week. That one of the ivy league schools are having seven different graduation. This group the asians black people their re segregating or trying to re segregate our societies. Because if you don't recognize good and evil like you said and see it for what it is. I mean it's just it's commonsensical. You see a kid. They're struggling with it. But if you're not willing to recognize that in admitted that this is this is what happens you got you got you got things that are hard you and you got things that'll help you but they when it's not recognized what's not todd or it's not understood then this is the word for it they keep bringing up the word but so far they haven't come up with a solution on bullying if you teach children from the from the time they're that high right to love god and love their neighbor if you instill that in them no no nick that ought be valuable all them and i don't know if it's just a different mindset does but just like you said i was bullied my whole tenth grade year and we got to throw because i was dating this girl that some other guy i wondered so he had this little band of fellows that every day made my life miserable but i thought about i never told you all i never went to some person i just i just figured out how to a problem you know bullying is really is still a problem. That's why you know parenting and and having those if you can survive it and have spiritual foundation. That's to ten. If you look at it you say it just older people misbehaving and ostracizing themselves and each other i. it's same old story division. i see one. That's why i said we don't need. Though though the government we need to overthrow the evil on that begins to work in human beings when they get about thirteen. Well again the original idea. The reason the jews didn't have it into the gentiles was from god thousand years earlier because when they went into these lands. He's a you can't hang out with these people. The false gods all that so. That was the rule that god gave them for their own benefit. Jonah protect the now. We go thousands of year four. And he saying no. The gentiles people of faith or in in the mystery of the gospel also was that the dividing wall of hostility is torn down yup and so that was the official role of the church. and so. that's why this was so interesting. Well i think it all starts off with saying king herod. He arrested him because what they belong to the church they weren't they're not like us. They're exercising their freedom to believe in god and we're not gonna tolerate. There are different and you thought your free. No you're not free. You're free to do what we tell you. Which look you still see the same veins in our culture a mayor by the name of freedom you know and next thing you know you got all this long list rules that unless you comply with you know. We'll we'll give you the consequences. And what i find more disturbing is that. Here's james. they they put him to death. That's one of the sons of thunder out and he's the first of the original group to martyr to die for the cause which is a big watershed moment. And i thought it was interesting to that. Herod you we heard about haired since way back in. Jesus you know so. He's kind of in an instigator. He was oh yeah and so my theory is is because remember the jewish leadership because the power structure is you got the romans occupying you got the israel monarchs that had been broken into four because this is a different herod by the way than the one that that was when jesus and then you've got the jewish religious leadership and they all had a certain amount of power but they always had somebody above the jewish leaves who couldn't just key for anything but obviously they could k. You stephen right. So my theory is is that when the jewish leaders lost saul. I mean he converts to the calls all of a sudden they had no teeth. You know what are they going to do. They can't stop it. They kept trying to do something about it. So i i think probably some. I've macrey went up to this herod agrippa instead you better. You better get a handle on this thing. This thing is getting out of control because he just shows up. In the first day he kills one of the twelve. Well then you notice in verse four. They were gonna make this this trial public. It was all unless you you just the lines that they're motivating my fear you cross katya and we're gonna put you on public display and they're trying to make a mockery out of their their faith in jesus name peter was going to get a fair shake their in the old public trial and the joke. But what's what i thought about here too is you. Don't there's just one little senate and all of a sudden this foundational father of our faith as a believer loses his life. You know stephen is i. Guess the the first recorded marta. Right of course he was part of the original crew but it does seem inspiring. The have won. The ho- tappers devoted to the whole story is told in here is just one little senate. And you're like man i mean. Why would why would your the inside of thanks. Why why would god allow that to happen. And that's what people tend to start thinking. But i think you gotta realize the big picture this that even the times when god came and save these guys or kept them alive. They all died. I mean this is part of the life we live. And that's why jesus conquered the grave in the you do your part. I love your point yesterday. Made about the number of day. I wanna tell that Let's take a break yesterday. My sermon dad. I talked about. I was preaching this tax and Taught about door genie's big boy. You got brain tumor and it affected in our member like he would laugh and cry like he couldn't get his emotions less as time went on because he was a very like stoic. Pretty serious guy. Great guy and for some of you longtime listeners. This is the guy who got his way in our outline because he brought a whole ham every night fourteen days in a row nestled in his long thought. Oh they took me. Because i brought a ham and he brought one every day and after about two weeks feels that. Hey you cannot with us but get off the hand fan. How about us. How about a turkey so so. The big boy is burley's dad so we've talked about early before on the pike. As but big boy jennings was it. Oklahoma nose guard in the sixties. Thank you what laying three nine was something. He was tough as nails. But anyway so you got got this cancer in his brain. So i went and saw him in hospitals one of the last time. He was still lucid enough to have a conversation but he tells me something. I never forgotten and it really hits this contest. Jas was just on that. He said you know al. He added some versi founded in the old testament. I came where it is but he said whatever version was it said has had the phrase a certain number of days in east and he looked at mason Just want to tell you about that. He's crying you know. He said you know this. Probably my run. I don't think all is going to deliver me from this new. It was just very realistic. And he said but. I realized that he gave me a certain number days. And i look back on it. I feel like i've always been a little bit more. He said you're young. He said you don't know how many days you got. Don't miss an opportunity with what you got here on the earth and so i thought about that in this context because it seems jason's right. It seems unfair that one of the sons of thunder which by the way you remember the their mom came to jesus and says one set on the riot and went on the left these two and and they looked at him and jesus said can you drink the cup. I wanna drink narrow we can and he said oh you will and so you know that was a little bit of a that was a hint right there and so he was the first one he had a certain number days and that there's description at all by the days are numbered in an even when he says we're we're god's created workmanship it he said and he has the days numbered. Why i'm sure. I think that's psalm. One thirty seven and you know. God is referred to several times as the ancient as now. He's not his days and time does not affect him because he created it. You either said the thousand years is ready to go. And the even genesis. He created the concept of time day and night but he uses that for for us. Because even when you fast forward to the day he comes back it says for he has set a day. And i think that. That's i Slogans five four and that they shouldn't surprise you remember. That chapter started off saying about time than dates. I don't need to write g. right. Why why why are you making a big deal of it because really everybody has a calendar. God is familiar with everyone's calender and it every day it's literally crossed off. There's only a certain amount of days no matter what we know what was so. Why are people getting on the other side of us saying. I can't believe this happened yet. Another party now. He got has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with cnn by the sacrifice of himself. Then he says justice man is destined to die wants and after that the face judgment so christ sacrifice wants to not set to take away sins a many people and the second time not to bear seeing but to bring salvation to those who are waiting on him back. Pretty well covered. The problem is this is a short run a lot anyway first century churches and people when they said that they said oh well so they were just quitting work and just wait a day. Nepal keeps saying. You gotta work you gotta you gotta make the most of your opportunity. All those takes china's kiss look. We're two thousand years later. But if you put it in. God's timing that's two days so what i'm saying this shows you that throughout the history of time. People have hippie tendency because that's the same thing happened there like. Oh we're just gonna stop life. Go out smoke some weed. Make love. After about holly's people work in an alabama. Let them run. We add in the middle of watching them all right after about five days. When you can't find a toll it or what you know. you're maybe ought to go get a job. I mean it just is so much a part of our culture now a knows. There's a commercial that that i forgot who it was. It was a deodorant commercial office. And there's this guy and he's in the basement his parents are there their asian and dislike. You get out of the basement and then he puts the on and then all of a sudden he he's his parts of his body start disappeared. He's a fireman and then he's like he goes up through the floor. And this is the way out of your parent's basement was the odor and i thought to myself now. Our culture so used to having people that won't work that are living in their parents basement that they're making commercials about i mean that's when you know that's the ultimate i think the greater point though is that god is greater than the calendar. We went through that whole concept. Ls and arthur. I mean you just think about all the stuff in the bible about times a day and it was created. he's not owned the tomlin. He created the timeline he. He created the calendar. So that's why it's not. We don't get upset. I mean sure. We look at something like this. That happen james and we're like man. I hate that that happen because we're all like well. That was that was him. It wasn't me but one day that's going to be me. And if it happens in the name of jesus or just if it just hannie fixed it were time is predicated on him. His arrival his departure. You like he's time he's the marker of time that's a little insight there. You wonder why we all can't tom by jesus. Well y'all pretty well discuss. Why i hate to bring this up because i bring up so much but that hebrews thirteen eight. That's why he said. Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever if you would just meditate on that for two minutes every morning for the rest of your life. It's a changing thought is this and i'll say this. If you check out that sermon from yesterday it's unchained. in lieu. My stuff was was was what it was but the the sermon is worth watching to watch the video at the end of it. I did a video testimony. We've been doing video testimony which we did one with your dad and a guy named randall. Who was imprisoned for He was a drug mule when he was a truck driver. And you know he. He got in in prison. He became a son of god so when he came out he was on fire for prisonment. A lot o- in the prison ministry incredible realm for all these areas. He's i mean. He's a go getter but that that story was so you gotta you gotta check that story. Because he tells about converting a guy who was out of he just shared jesus with him and was a drug cartel for mexico he was the one of the worst drug cartels warriors mexico. He was the leader of it in some mobile in jail came his already talking him. Batty just shared with news. Do you know who that is. He said no. He said he told him that he was rattled. Said well i don't care who he was he's talking about. You know being a christian now so you become a christian which goes back to what we've been discussing today of not diversifying you. We know how the prisons that we've all spoken in prison utah. My client has their little clan. Which is the whole problem is going on in the earth and we're all fighting each other. 'cause you're not in our clan. Here's a guy in jesus who he didn't care you didn't care that in and he may lose his life for talking to this guy in so he wound up. He was in prison because he was a part of a group of people that kill to border agents in so he had to licenses back to that. Never was supposed to get out of prison. But randall said in the video that this man the the biggest Mana on this been taken off a sentence in the history of the federal prison system. Was this guy. He got out. Because of his life. Change establishes a church in warez. Hundreds of people are part of this charge. Now he's preaching the gospel he's on fire. The cartel thought that the reason he got out was he must have ratted them out so a executed him in front of his family and church sermon at the church where they met in this happened less than a month ago so i made the point of the word. That's when you said that that's when it hit me. I was like. I mean this just happened. This is less than a month ago. When this is real i the point i was making the church just as we read these stories and we think well you know this is a long time and people getting killed for their. Oh they're still getting kill. Oh yeah because of being a follower of christ and look. He's on his knees. He said he told us history. So be sure and tell a brother randall. Thanks for sharing. Jesus women and then the church started singing. Jesus loves me as they kill him. And i mean it was just i mean. I got chills. It was having it was maybe someone said even after they killed him they just kept saying yeah did and they were telling me you know. They're tried to tell the bus the church they were just like the cartel was trying to treat them like these people are treating the charge. His brother just step right into the pulpit and they're still going. I mean not stopping. You know they're just like you'll have to kill us all for all you folks that thank. This is a bunch of bull yard. Pay attention to that really. Just one of the things you gotta get over following jesus which cause pride is. The problem is when you go from being a wolf in this world to sheep. You're you're vulnerable. Yup and you know granted you're going to die anyway but a lot of people have view. Christians is weak and well because we're sheep considered to be slaughtered as revelations because our god invented and created calendar. Therefore it's really not that big a deal and jesus was murdered but then resurrected so so we thanks for listening to the unashamed. Podcast help us out by rating on itunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on youtube. And be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes and for even more content that you won't get anywhere else subscribed to blaze. tv at blaze tv dot com slash unashamed.

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LGBTQ+ In Film and TV

Geeks Under the Influence

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LGBTQ+ In Film and TV

"The views and opinions expressed on Geeks or the influence or that at the panelists it out of our sponsors Amazon.com and TEPA parental discretion is advised the way that I eight define. Myself is not necessarily how others define it with like. Here's like the loose way that like if you see this untaxed it's more than likely it would be represented scented like so if you're reading and you're like this person's. Demi Sexual. You're like I have an idea of what this means in context with what what I'm experiencing so that way. You're not just like that's. That's a word and then walking up to someone and saying something stupid. I gotcha okay okay. The words definitely do help because you know they. They also help people who. I don't think they're alone more. Who Don't think there's something wrong with them before? I came out like I had no idea that being transgender gender was an option. I never heard about it. I just knew that I didn't feel right in who I what yeah so it really it wasn't until I learned about it that I was like. Oh my God that's me Holy Crap Yeah so words definitely words and labels definitely help with the larger community and just killing ignorance with representation and that's why Nia so important as I'm thinking about transgendered characters in film for example when you look at film from thirty years ago and if you had a transgender character it was almost like a like stereotypes like kind of joking character Eric that was being they were always joke yet being showdown villains yeah yeah pretty much and now now. There's a lot of a lot more representation. There's still plenty of room for more but there's a whole lot more than there ever has been before and it's just it's growing and I think that's why this episode is a really important to have especially leading into into pride coming to Richmond. That's kind of when we decided to do to me. Dead is we're doing all about LGBTQ community in film and media in Comic Books Literature all of that kind of our favorite representations kind of what it means to have those characters not the greatest representations presentations and better representations of Russia between the two on this episode of some of the influence so it's GonNa be at points a little heavier conversation but clearly can be cracking up up and be dominant weird of so. This is not all superheavy conversation. We are absolutely going to have fun talking about our favorite favorite gaze of media so a hey welcome to the Senate on the phones at one seventy. Two wastrel fans would be so simple. Don't you would be Hello Don aw Oh look Get her Ray. Hey well what I do. Say starting out the episode. I believe it's also in criminal enrollment. Isn't it bisexual bisexual this week as well. I don't know I'm always aware being bisexual fair enough fair enough thought I was. I was reading during the week at work and I'm pretty sure that this is also so like what does that mean. Just make sure you don't run over one like what is it. You know it's not what you know what that means. This exactly like be aware that it's the thing is not going anywhere. It's been around forever and don't be a fucking was not gain late. I know for Real Gabe Ono your gate motherfucker. I'd sexual cold as the rockies so you know what that is actually a thing even within the thing where even within the Lgbtq community there his infighting about bisexuality absolutely kind of like the red headed stepchild sometimes and and luckily that's become way more of a commonality as I think people are starting to understand that sexuality is a spectrum it will definitely isn't it and it always has been and we can even talk about the film Kinsey which is out out. You know the development of the Kinsey scale where like it's not it doesn't necessarily apply to everybody but you know some people. Are you know heart one hundred percent supposedly straight a hard one hundred percents supposedly homosexual and then you know a lot of people fall in that gray scale in the middle I don't know exactly what word I what number I would say. I am on the Kinsey. NC scale a see your side. Theo am i-ipad gay 'cause I haven't seen that. We know you're fine all right. It just means checking IDs. It's when you sign up. It didn't come in the mail like I feel like. There's another kid. It's like you know babies. Babies ladies first sequence description boxing. Here's here's your here's your fan like so in heard a queer queer cinema subscription box like we can we can start with Gods and monsters and we can do Kinsey and they can get Marlena started. Oh could find a way to start a vigorous oreo out out there Victor Victoria. There's horror boxes. There's every kind of fucking box. I mean the problem is there's also a lot of really bad gaiety cinema. Oh really so so. It's like it's like it's no wonder no wonder you couldn't get funding. I am I surprised no it'd be too artsy with offers offers end to artsy. It's like yes you already are at sea because you were an indie film and now you are trying to shove every single gay Lesbian Bisexual transgendered Queer Intersex asexual trope ever into this one film but this is your last chance let Indian general. That's not not just okay hero not I. I WanNa get the side of the way early on because I do want to just have like a second of silence for Matthew Shepard and all of the Queer Trans lives that were lost this year to violence. If that's cool just a second of like observing observing silence thank you guys. I really appreciate there's been more often and then people seem to realize how yeah tournament of color being killed in just based off of kind of that not so much you know you're right across goes across the spectrum who gets attacked. It's not like one specific part of the spectrum gets attacked mean Gabai. Everyone gets attacked when they're when they're just if you're perceived as other exactly so I feel like that's a good lead into a good leader but it's a beat into you know what I mean so lead introducing the panel oh well. I was going into a movie the panel I other words fifteen minutes into the episode hose. You're supposed to regulate that was not feeling like wrangling. I was enjoying the conversation when I joined. He fucking shuts me off that works first-timer on Geeks under the influence here to talk all things LGBTQ in cinema we we got theo here. Hello Teddy you want to go like I never hear anybody. Besides me. Call you theo anymore no plan. He'll call me Theo. It's just you know I'm teddy to my to my friends. Yeah that's true okay so yeah. I appreciate you coming out to talk and next to Teddy is the metal burlesque herself themselves anti yeah then sell themselves sorry right now. y'All know your don't get it twisted your going to a big burlesque thing in the near future right right yes in like literally it'll be two weeks from yesterday will be the night that I'm performing or on October third third. I will be making my Portland Oregon debut at the medalist festival and I'm freaking the fuck out. Oh that's awesome shit. I'm super excited. It's got a let's get into it. I don't have to say my own name or I am state. Monday and we know you know who I Dan. Do you because you haven't announced yet. Can you please say my name blaze also pretty sure I said that backwards thanks bleach from work then next to me my right hand man in my left the my partner in crime for Geeks under the influence and show runner for the newest show on the the network from the mountains of madness. We've got Mr Lowdown Brown macgyver sub guys I also do. Gui Nights yes we ever do we ever the busy and we have we have it'll happen though. Oh okay. We're GONNA go from the Murphy. They're so much fun day arts art so fucking. Buck wild hard yeah. It was everybody I'm really. I'm really stokes talk about this. accepts needs to happen really because it's it. It's a thing it's an important thing. Let's have been part convert like the concert to be brought up like hey fuckers and Rosenhaus done. Well like here's example a here's example be go with example. A fuck coughed example B yeah true yeah the fuck off with example be that I can think of right off. The Bat is in living color the the hated it own before we go wrangling on that okay all right we got. We got to talk about the man who's hosting this shit. Show has been for almost five fucking years. We're going on a four and a half four and a half God. Has it been that long month a month before half yeah Tober November yeah something like that so we've got big to my right also the host live and yeah and all sorts of other stuff. I run trivia in town which you stroke yourself on that yeah all sorts of live events that we have in town. We've got some of the things kind of cooking right now. Hopefully we'll be able to announce the not-too-distant future. God Damn Yeah. Can we fit fit anymore on the calendar. Well like weekly stuff in more occasional stuff that we're talking fair enough so the calendar is not stupid like we have a calendar that that all the show runners share to put up our stuff and it's gotten where there's like others a day next month on a Tuesday. It's just gotten ridiculous and fairness. I feel like honestly we're like the only two that old all the time utilize that loan was that utilize that on a regular base that's true that's true and it still looks full. All the PODCAST has did it. I wouldn't be able to see my shit on my calendar Personal Shit. Oh yeah because it's just gotten beyond ridiculous at this point yeah but back to four introduced the the panel was I think that's a good lead into a movie that really showed that hate and it took look me actually a second third viewing to really see the true story of it and that was brokeback mountain right because Jay Jones character gets pretty much beaten and stoned stoned to death at the end of it so that goes right along with the hate that goes with that right now but also showing the love story and how does that how does it how was that portrayed great as as for me. I I'm assuming I it just looks like a normal relationship because I would look at it as it's fucking relationship right. That's all it is right. They do not do it in the Guy Dudes at Aleisha. Okay right now do you do you agree with how they were put in a particular circumstance for that to happen `isolation kind of thing. How do you feel about that. That's a that's really what I want to know. I didn't enjoy brokeback mountain US movie. I just did not it was it was boring. What's the latest portrayed it was it was it was boring because honestly like to me is the fact that they were a gay didn't automatically mean that I was GonNa like it. It's just like you. You know like I like. I don't like everybody who's gay just because we have that in common doesn't it. That's the only thing we have in common. Hot casters all audits either. It's not all fuckers are the ones you gotta worry about like. I mean but for me. It was like it was again like a lot of what movies he's at the time did and even to certain to a certain extent now still do is that they don't actually show very much physical physical affection between gay people. I mean there was like the hand holding in there was a kiss or two but that I hadn't really considered that with brokeback mountain because I did enjoy that movie but they have a lot of where they're standing at a distance yelling at each other about gay. That's a lot of that's a lot of being looking at each other about the I mean true well conversely to that two films that I wanNA mention that had really wonderful airfoil sex scenes that were also very touching movies and in very different ways because one was a lot more serious and the other one was definitely more of a comedy but with a message android the more serious one was latter days which is about young men whose realizes he's gay in the Mormon Church and falls in love with a very very out gay person and then like they have a relationship relationship and have a really really romantic evening and then in the morning he wakes up and he's gone back and he goes through conversion therapy and all of that horrible nece through the the Mormon Church in the film and then they're united but it's it's intense offering that one because of it. I'm making that outlawed because that's that's Caribbean yes and ever it needs to be in needs to be that shouldn't even be a fucking question but the other movie that is one of my favorite queer. Your films is but I'm a cheerleader. Love it so much. I love that fucking film. I love the lesbian sex scene in it. It's tender era and wonderful and actually on anyway so she's the best and clear devolve yeah yeah yeah. Let's not forget. Let's not forget her at her like grunge grunge girl attitude. I don't even care about anything. I'm creative all. That was her whole career. It's true I'm gonNA smoke this cigarette and then I'm going to wreck your life actually pretty good. Likley a device. I mean but I'm a cheerleader. Leader was pretty much like the first like gay movie. I watched like intentionally knowing I knowing I I. I was gay so it was to me. It was like a big. It was a big deal. Churn like Oh yeah yeah it was. It was a huge deal. Oh yeah no it. It was definitely a movie that like I I watch and was deaf. It was one of those movies that like I don't want to say gives you all. I do want to say it actually gives you permission to be yourself. Words just like yeah cool. I'm not alone. Other people are stoked about this. This isn't weird. This isn't a fad. This isn't a phase. I'm excited to be gay looks. She's been a cheerleader for that. Lady and I'm I WANNA be a cheerleader for early. When I think the tone that was used in but I'm a cheerleader was kind of perfect for that conversation where it had that hyper reality version of things happening where it was like a mixture of like Edward scissorhands nineteen fifties kind of feel to it yeah but with this like demented had kind of underlying storyline happening well everybody's smiling and being oh yeah super chipper and weird and allowed to play with how horrible conversion therapy is oh. God yeah without coming off as like just soul-crushing you're able to really enjoy fun movie about conversion therapy. I mean an escaping and escaping that it did bring up the very real thing that happens with things like conversion therapy campuses that kids escape and their your families don't want them and they're you know. Hopefully you know a awesome gay. There's an awesome gay lake halfway house to help them but that's a real thing really is movie that I kinda wanted to bring up just to see if it's approaches because it comes off as a light comedy but there are some moments in it that I am curious as to whether or not that is I wouldn't say fully irresponsible but the the setup for it in and out with Kevin Kline. We're basically he's A. He's a schoolteacher. He's he's happily married. Matt Dillon plays a kid that was in his acting class that that becomes this like award winning actor and he played a gay character that won him the award and he said that he took a lot of notes from his gay teacher. WHO's played by Kevin Kline although Kevin. It's kind of that's fucking news to me. I'm like I'm engaged. I think he's like I mean I literally like just watch this last month. Oh Oh nice time so so you got fresh on it but the the thing is now. Everybody thinks that he is like Oh. You're gay and he's not but then it becomes clear that he's he's lying to himself more than anything else and he that's yeah but that is that a cause that is also going into like you know outing. Someone and that's not really okay now. The End Result of the movie for remembering. It's a movie is that he learns to accept himself and then he falls in love with Tom. SELLECK WHO's a reporter reporter that comes to the town and everybody's happily ever after and it's fine and I think yeah Matt Dillon ends up like going after the chick that he's engaged to in the first. It's a whole thing but just the setup of somebody else like me. No you're gay no. I'm not yeah you are is a little iffy on there but it was done in a very light fun way well so the there was one time where a friend came out to me and sent me down. She said Murphy I gotTa Tell Tell. You something I said Okay and she goes. I'm gay and I said Yeah I know. What did you want to talk to me about. All through all the wind out of your safety I had a friend who is all through high school and I mean like he was like two years ahead of me and then you graduate we still hang out outside of school when parties and whatnot like always always doing then like he. I don't know if it was the official or if it already been done then he decided to just talk to me about it but it was at an event like after I graduated needed so that was like three years after he and he came he was like you know said. Stay on game like yeah. Can we get back to the game like it's kind of like yeah. Oh Dude Duh like I. I know a little bit more than that not become ideas. I didn't say that but also in my head it was like yeah dude totally yeah cool but afterwards I'm like okay so this year actually coming out and I'm really excited for you to wreck yeah eh be out this is because it is important to celebrate. Those big moments with your friend know it is because it still took urge them because they didn't essentially no. You knew so. It's still a lot to tell you some some somebody they care about like hey this just say that but in my head it was kind of like can't okay Don. I knew that but I didn't just say that I wouldn't got a beer and we we chugged. Now that was cheers to be in an in-and-out was a it was a lovely fun movie in reality ability in reality. The teacher would have a hundred percent been fired from his job. Oh sure and would have been run out of town on a rail with shucks souks people because you know even now LGBT Q. People are not a protected class uh-huh so we can hundred fired for being transgender gay unless the company itself has a policy you hear that from public schools and stuff up where parents will come out. I don't want to get my kid to be gay and stuff like that. We just compl- purely clearly ignorant. Bullshit isn't that state by state it. It is it will it state by state but also sometimes it could even be city by city. I thought okay so I thought some states had protection. Some Breeds Law's written some state constitutions do a state law. Though it doesn't matter it is but do you know how many people break state laws because they don't like State Law Yeah Yeah. I mean gene and it's really really hard to prove that they that they fired you because you were because you were you know gay because I mean I've I've tried to file an equal Employment Opportunity Commission report before and it's one of the things that they ask you to prove that it was because you were gay was before can prove it. It will exactly dotting on that and one of the things they ask you is did somebody has somebody else in your situation been done the same thing and not been fired for it and you're like how am I supposed to know that's like that's like confidential information technically yeah and also that the fucked up being in the state of Jinya right to work state so thank you for anything. They want anything like you and they do. Hey it's Tuesday. You're fired. I mean yeah. It's the right to work. I mean that's what it means. They don't have to ten recent for why you're fucking fired ridiculous now. We are running getting close over here so so I do WanNa. Kinda hit on something before we get into the break is that the there are some major moments in TV and film than we're kind of breakthrough moments for or the community whether it be one of the big ones that I remember when I was younger was when there was a lesbian kiss on Roseanne which I find funny now considering Roseanne has gone with things but yeah yeah B. I was like what Sandra Bernhardt I think and I was it was like Roseanne sister or maybe Roseanne I don't remember but there was like the first onscreen like lesbian kiss yeah and it was this big Hoopla this huge thing and whereas now that's dotted event at all for the most part I mean as it should be yeah as it should be but that was kind of a huge deal and that was just in the nineties I mean we're not talking ancient history. Yeah I love how in the evolution of that in shows though it's some there's some shows that have done a done a service to where like it just shows that this is what it is and it's it's not like v main focus of the show up. I just started watching the newest season because it just it Netflix. The new season actually airs thing next month as as far as live broadcasting shameless and you've got the one of the brothers in and one of his neighbor kids Mick they're both gang and like they become a thing and they're like but couple but like in the show. None of the community gives a flying fuck. I mean it's they won't pay my rent. make sure we have food and a roof over fucking head because the important thing is not the fact that the do down the street is gay. That's not perfect. You'RE GONNA move out because that would be financially way. Better from exactly like what if your job of showing how like that's not what that how is that fucking with you. These these guys are still struggling to survive and they happened to find comfort in something a you. Don't agree with I going to fuck you like care few agree yeah exactly but and in the show don't they show like you know they're. They're also grew up in the hood in Chicago is with a show set in so like they fight they will fucking they will be there and there's even so they each other because they too too aggressive personalities and they beat the fuck each other and they go have makeup sex. It's like it's just it's you know only sounds like a superior super healthy yeah dude. I mean like again. No one's no one in that show is is healthy like not a single character. The good thing is that you know it's so delicate to have you know especially people that aren't represented regularly on film and Television that there's representation and you want to make sure that it's like not aww villain or like a portrayal normal life. If you get to where it's like you can have some of that too because everybody's just fucking people glad you know and and so when you can have good showing of like good characters of different minority or or background or whatever whatever it is and then and really the big pieces of shit as well like that just feels like life a little bit more it totally is but I was also going to be like dude. If you've ever seen drag Queens fight like of course holy Shit that's amazing. It really is and they will like they will just like stab. A bitch is out and then insult you while you're laying there yeah exactly it's it's impressive and and actually this most recent season before last. He's become like a figure in the community like raise. WanNa fuck off like you know. Guy Love your no matter of gearing up because he heard of conversion meetings that were happening where parents are sending their gay kids to realize they were not gay they were just confusing sinning and living in San and he was when he broke into one was like fuck you my gods queer. My God's a junkie God's fucking everything that you say is fucking wrong. You know he's like my God is not is not differentiating between what who you WANNA have sex with basically when he came out with and he started movement community and I'm like Damn. This shows gotten like all right like you know. Also there's the classic moment of Big Moments in television Ellen of her coming out that unfortunately made her loser show like the ratings tanked and I think the network kicked her off or there's a whole thing around her coming out her character coming out as gay on the show which that was really cool to see a character show. Allen still has an edge just the Ellen Degeneres show now Ellen now it's Ellen the generous show but Ellen was where she was playing a character of version of herself and you saw the progression of her realizing. Maybe I do like girls and and then you know actually kinda getting into somebody and then the woman that she was getting into you know we're not gonna get married and stuff like I like. I like Youtube but like chill you know you're allowed to you know that's come to terms with this and be with me or not me with me cool and was like a really cool a respectful backfill approach to it and then they were like oh we'll gain out so now we gotta dump this and dump the show but it was an immensely important moment and now she's got the biggest daytime talk show on television right which is wonderful and then like. There's a part of me that going back to the music for a second that it's also just been like the Difference Between Gene Ellen coming out in everyone being like Oh my God you're like fucking really to people like Oh tap Angela Garcia formerly of archenemy just kicking open the door and being like we're fucking lesbians beings and you're like yeah you fucking argued beautiful bitch keep screaming. I had no idea that's news to me that happen. Angela Goss well well now. You know maybe it's just that I'm just like these beautiful women that I've been crushing on could be crushing on me. Oh my God I gotTa Look Super Butch with the next show yeah that is that's like how I felt when I found out that Angelina Jolie was bisexual. I mean there's the chance I mean I guess for me. It's just like I'd like to music the way so it doesn't matter right but it's super cool so I think that because I'm a fem presenting person that superindent metal when I feel like women and metal is as a minority minority like we are not happy but some having awesome awesome oh killing yeah I support them one hundred fucking percent but finding out that not only like is a super visible popular aggressive progressive talented metal singer female but they are also queer and vocally and aggressively queer just like electives S. H. Two more check marks. Let me just send my little heart size through the Internet is they're not Orban called aggressively queer rating the what is it a Negro punk band. It was all black people would be the equivalent for hardcore queered. We're here to make out with whoever we want to like. I don't know how you would start. I mean we had vaginal cream. Davis which is SORTA fuck. I'm sorry what what the hell that's a whole other other discussion. Vaginal Davis is a singer and artist and they are pretty fucking incredible and there's also pansy division yeah it's true and I mean divine bovine as a performer. I think was even in the mainstreams far as music goes. I believe Eliza Hill came out a while ago that she was by. ooh really sir my back pocket because we can both go go. Show me like Ooh. I WanNa do things to her and you know it's cool because what's you know she's down for that. Basically I'm just going to be leapfrogging. Ofri like ninety eight or ninety nine in San Diego that Joe Forming and and I've been a Joan Jett Fan since I was like a little one and I know she's gay like I'm still like your. You're gorgeous. I know I have no chance to really fun to look at it. I respect you is one of my things about transitioning was I was like the lesbians pins don't like me anymore. That's not true. There's some there's some spectrum here happened. I mean there is a spectrum but you know it's it was one of those things yeah yeah. I got you but what I loved about seeing Joan Jett is that there were like full-on like the stereotype like lesbians with like straight up the cutoff flannel shirts level that were being like. Oh my God Joe Jetta Mike I know right and there was no like you're not allowed like it was like yeah I know like. Everybody was just like losing their mind jet. She can still put on a really good show and she looks really doesn't go onto shit. No it hasn't because I I saw her early last year in Virginia beach and it was really good. I do know I think in heart as well also really good. I remember that show that I put it together. Did you nice was like two years ago or three years ago. I saw a video live forms of her and I was like the okay you mean as far as looks like you know certain songs she does. You really can't tell the vocal prowess because they don't really require a lot. Don't require certain ones that do and the song I saw did not really require a lot and I think it was later day that they played later day which I have that movie that Michael J. Fox the forgotten Little Michael J. Fox yeah yeah. I know I'm right where Joan Jett ends up getting into a metal band. She's wearing like bondage gear diggity Eddie. I have it so that you're wide eyed. Brasov can come over here and watch acting with Michael Ajay Fox's. It is like a hidden gem movie though it really is. It's quite a day and okay. That's the song of day that was pretty popular. Joan Jett Song was the title Theme Dean of that movie. and everybody knows the song. I am really thrilled that this this episode is giving me one whole new thanks to Google when I'm home alone or home with my partner because he's chill but also like it's. It's nice to have that like these like queer affirmation moments with my friends just to be like we're all enjoying the clearness together and I love this absolutely yeah yeah. It's just great and on that note. We're going to take a short break so we can talk about some stuff happening in town and when we come back we're going to be talking about what drinking and maybe do a drunken senior too so stick around. We'll be right back. This is Mike The hobbit direct from fallout on a Trivia night telling you to come here every first and third Monday for Trivia Between Eight and ten and twenty five cents wings drink specials prizes and tons of really inappropriate trivia. It's a lot of fun. You guys agree. They definitely come out and enjoy trivia every first and third Monday at fallout. We're back to the second half of Geeks because of the influence all things. LGBTQ plus characters in film and media. 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This show helps us get along and get into the conversation and gets the second half off the rails. We're talking about what we're drinking. We're fucking streak in drug. You WanNa now here you go. Hey we're drinking. We're getting getting drunk. You KIP that is both from a fucking shortly after he went what the fuck that he was not a he was not into it up Banjo so we've got a few choices because here this evening the first one that we're doing very lightly. Oh Yeah Mac Jesus Christ watermelon on this is is punching. We just had to know Tammy and I have to know we literally teddy and I we're looking at a beverage options. I smell smell it but I mean oh my God. Oh delightful moment of them say it's it's easier than the other one so it's easier than the other one. The one that we are currently splitting is a malt beverage corp phone hemp tales made with real hemp seeds and it is called Passion Fruit Express. It's better than the Oh gee. Oh my God I I I tried the Oji one and I could not drink it until I mixed it half and half with PBR. It's better than a fan apartment so sweet. Oh so good. I'm super not good. It's really not good. This dive robitussin mixed with we'd water kind of yeah. That's what you give to somebody. You Hate Murphy Right. Now looks like a dog that has had peanut butter urges the roof of the roof of their mouth. Anybody listening don't even more smells worse than the other arable. It's better than the other. One was horrid smells worse. Though Oh my God it does taste better. Yeah you are correct and not great at all with better than the other one. That is a crime. Oh Oh God my face hurts. I don't this this swears. It is a premium malt beverage because it's eight percent. It is eight percents moult to no I don't it was an experiment and sometimes experiments fail. Oh yeah this is one of those experiments where they slaughtered. Those Guinea pigs look we. We knew this experiment was going to go down like a lead balloon. Thank you then then what was what was it the donut beer whatever the all there's one. I brought that was Robin. Narrow rogue rogue was the Habanero the Habanero the real bad really fucking bad. I like having your ears. You're very well. No it was not good taste like a Green Angle Habanero. ooh therapy wasn't yeah you rogue. Does that align yeah. It's a real sad. This wasn't row goose when I found him. Once upon a vine I forget what the fucking beer was but it was gross there is there is also that like Super Maple Leaf thing that we drank that being and oak subtly the leverage early forget sorta lay about naming the Gui nights overlays because we really I'm spray the bottle of the same level and like why did you throw it out the fuck you have this waiting to torture someone else with this is how we kept drinking. You know oh how are we Jesus. Christ apparently not enough to drink the rest of that no water no that monstrosity the other share. We have to cleanse our pallets. We're going to go a little east coast local bitches because that's where you got to do right got to keep local little Hollywood. tropic like it's hot yeah it is a Sour Ale with Passion Fruit Pineapple Dragon Fruit and six point zero percent a b the it's a tasty beverage issue sat on the show before June when they really the last released was override month. This is their pride beer. Yeah it's really cool and basically written pride is next week on the twenty eighth and I will get myself drunk on this nice and it's fantastic. Oh yeah they they save it for pride. Oh they do they having they have it like from tap and the beer truck like by the way made this four pride and Saray Ak out our sold out with our homophobic beer instead. That's the only one we have left is. Oh God. I'm not drinking England okay. Oh My hi dad is look I just moved into my dad and he drinks singling and it just makes me sad dude. Have you heard anything about that. They've no I just drink the fucking beer here. They had donate some stuff. That's not I did not. I don't look into everybody thing. I by to see what they donate into. No I do not ever did for you. I mean I know but I really don't research everything I buy because somebody's GonNa go fucking buy things with the research what they put their money into anything by constellation brands ballast point. I don't drink our own drink a lot of ballast point me there but you know I don't. I don't think I don't remember the last time people told me to try them and I've tried them and now I don't like ballast point pretty much. It's too bad because ballast. AL's point literally has made one of my favors that I've ever had it was a they had this this wheat ale like they called Wa who and then they made a Thai Chili while do and it was it that shit was spicy like it hurt it was so good and it hurt my stomach and I drink. I think so much of it as no seriously because the only one of the only places in the east coast that got it was the short pump growlers to go and they have like a a six to love it or something like that and I drank half that kick got. Damn Lake it made oh God I loved it. It was okay now. We got to our next part of this little thing a a time that we have just to make sure that we sound like idiots for sure on every episode. We're talking about making a drunken. Zine King Adrian can see two movies. I was trying to find a spot that we could do four different parts and I was just not finding one. That was reasonable for this that we could. Do you know you're totally Jack Rate. That's I mean that's fine Douzaine. That's fine. You're totally check okay. I love you and just let them wear for. All of our fans are gonNA appreciate this lowdown and I are doing brokeback. Mountain are a comment about how I'm right that he's Jack. Thank you he is and that's what we need. We need to make a tee shirts. Say I'm Jack and I'm in week. We totally faces. We mocked the cover and just switch the faces and we're like all my God. I would wear that I don't need any more t shirts things all the t shirts. I need actually what I need. You guys to do is break into buttoned-down work shirts with the stuff yeah yeah. That's what they public. Are you listening. We limited what they and they don't promote those yet. They have a lot of other stuff all kinds of long-sleeve shirt so it he's lied hoodies. Have you heard he's begging. I need a button now because I'm fucking fancy. They're calling it these days. Yes fancy work shirts or fancy to the dicky's. WORKSHIRT has now become fancy. What's the other night normally dress like fairness. I'm so fantastic you know no. I'm I know you're not all right so half up colts yeah exactly but he gives you know we don't that now. We we are talking about brokeback mountain for two thousand five so we've got a genus in Jackson. I'll be playing Jack and Mr Down. We'll be playing. Ns that first one is you. You go you ever get the feeling over on. Someone looks suspicious. I go out on the pavement and everyone's looking at you like they all know too. Well maybe to get out of there. You know find yourself somewhere different. Maybe Texas taxes sure maybe you can convince all WanNa let you in. Laurie adopted girls and we can just live together and she lorraine money from L. D. Newsmen and whiskey will flow in the streams some Jack. That's real smart real smart. Go to hell in this. Stay Home Mar-. You won't live your miserable thick and laugh and go right ahead. I was just thinking out loud Yippie beat. You're you're a real thinker. Their Goddamn Jack fucking twist got figured out ancient. You're like slowly going into cookie monster. Yeah I was trying. Rondo boy valid of cookie monster and buster scrub ever. Why am I still drinking this gals you like it. It's my secret. 'cause you like it so the next thing that we've got is from a film from one thousand nine that we talked about a little bit on the show already. We're talking about but I'm a cheerleader gray little film. This is between Meghan and Mary are the two characters here can be making. Yes okay so Murphy. Will you'll scream that better than I would and doing voice all right to start off with Meghan. I'm a homosexual wow not expecting Milan sexual actual. Oh my God they were right. Vote Congratulations Relations Megan. You have just taken your first step in your direction. Group therapy applauds then embraces her okay. Don't go don't worry don't worry Megan it's going to it's going to be okay here here here here. Put put it designed. It was while you know what I was expecting from you but I was not expecting metal homosexual. No that was perfect so everything I didn't know. I wanted to cry like fuck it to grow. I think the best part was that that was the most seamless between the two carriages. We've had on these fucking segment the way she kept crying and you reacted versus us. We would just cry ones and then like the person. Ah each other for a really long podcast awesome. Oh fucking Brando over here could have been a homosexual title homosexual sexual okay so we were talking before we did this episode about there are characters out there that are kind of adopted by the by the gay community that aren't necessarily openly gay characters might be possibly gay or definitely not but are kind of seen as so you know champions of. I'm talking like Burton Ernie type things or you know a lot of like best friend. Duos in movies and TV shows that Kinda town like scrubs has a little bit of that and scripts curves has a lot of that except they had a song called guy. Love it's guy listen. Brahmins is aren't necessarily they're not and I think romances are beautiful things but both you know on wherever they fall on that spectrum but I do. I know that they're just best friends and it makes me really happy but Simon Pegg Nick Frost particularly in hot fuzz. Just I want. I want that love to be recognized recognized and true but speaking recognize they recognize that there's some borderline romantic inflection with these characters especially in in Shaun of the dead. Oh Yeah we're he's not my boyfriend and it's like this is a little warm. You know the refrigeration went out and say thanks. Babe and they wink and it's clearly they're playing with it. They they're not offended by that being seen as like almost borderline romantic they're like I mean this is romantic wouldn't wouldn't be like the worst thing that uh-huh attracted to each other. It's I mean we can also talk about like things like What is it a zero fell and then crowned uncrowded. Nobody nobody ever says that. They're gave each other but those those people that's warm talking to our a big. US nature of some of these fried on care what anybody says that those two are in a queer relationship whatever gender they happened to be time. We're talking about the show good home and my deepest love. I mean for real. Can I tempt you to a bit of lunch. He exactly temptation accomplished. uh-huh nobody can see. Sassy shoulders that I did with that is asking you were just mimicking. You know tenants says that he had the entire Michael Michael she not ten ten was full blown like slouch. You Demon like schmooze going the gay or British like there. Is that thing you know that that was gay my my hi. My mom is British. You're right there was she indo Iranian yeah well. It was crips and whatever France key Michael Micro seen does some really does a really great gay character though we had unlike excellent what are some other characters that like or kind of accepted by the community. That aren't necessarily like there's Burton Ernie is like a running thing more of a joke than any joke that anything yeah for sure but there are definitely other characters that are kinda pulled in the teletubbies. Yeah we didn't really want that. No I really the thing. Is it really a thing though I mean it's really nice. That's like doesn't want to have a triangle or something breaking shaky winky. That's like like hollow like I saw the teletubbies for the first time when I was in when I was in England and that's it was weird and then everybody then they came over and when I came back from England they we're all of a sudden in the US and I was like no exactly no they followed me and then they were gay and I was just like are you saying they're gay because they're purple orbit the Triangle Brit- British yeah I'm not sure but like this is one of those things that I don't think like we wanted it but like the straight people we're like the purple ones fucking gay. That's the game one you don't want it. It's like tough shit. Yes yours. Now Tom Seriously it's like it's like it's like it's like Khania got kicked out. Got Uninvited the cookout. We didn't want the purple rebel Taliban now. You're not of children's cartoon characters just like no no we don't we don't we don't want him either. Were you just saying the Republicans didn't want Connie there so we were just no no no no no no no no you didn't black didn't want them to uninvite him to the cookout because Ah Yeah No. I thought the Republicans didn't want him and he got Kinda shoved on the Republicans because it isn't it. Wasn't there a comedy sketch or something about like you know the race race as trading Mesa careful how you say that straight trading Turkey trading with the D. Liberty. I know it was at agriculture. Oh thank you thank clam became yeah that was a draft and officially became blah. Ah Yes the white people got to keep. Oj I think yeah we had him anyway. Isn't he edit we need. We need a gay draft. I think is officially indoctrinate Burton Ernie into the K. What do you have against Burton Ernie. I don't have anything against Burton Ernie. I'm just saying that if this is the the the Queer dodgeball of picking teams better something Pixel with a good throwing arm Oscar. I Want Oscar Actually Oscar. The grouch is not a militant lesbian. I don't know what is my God. He's living trash cans. look like fucking pieces of Subaru sign on yeah. You're right. You're right now. I'm GonNa leave that alone and of just just let that just hang out there and let everybody make their take their own conclusions lesions from that okay lesbians have green hair and live in trash cans yeah living trash cans. We call it richmond trash that away easy dirty town but it's my dirty damn right as my dirty down. It's actually less sturdy than I'd like it to be. It's way less than it used to be waylay no visa. Vu as cleaned up the dirt in Richmond is nowhere near as dirty as it used to be half oversee Danke little long in this episode. We ran a little long the first half but I do want to definitely hit up the I opener. Characters is it helps cover their inner gayness when they were coming up in Enga- land land all right so mine a TV show mine was Angelina Jolie. I you're not the only one that habit but specifically typically Angelina Jolie as Lara Croft in Tomb Raider. Wow that's actually a different take either geely or you you gotta or a Nope Nope. This was because I because I like women who can kick my ass. That's fair. I'm sorry her in that movie. We still can kick your ass. She was a week betrayal or don't ruin my fan. I'm sorry look this from marching my mellow. We got some beer. We know I mean as far as women. That could kick your ass. Portrayal was not all right. I was I this is this. Was it like this summer. After my Freshman Year of college I I'm thirty five. We're the same age I guess go years on you but yeah the same age of thirty five yeah well. I'll be thirty five next month the the thirtieth anyway yeah summer after my Freshman Year of college I was recovering from surgery and tomb raider was on Hbo all the time and so that's what I watched all the time and I was Kinda like we'd go boop shrike like yeah okay. Why do I keep watching this her nipples and all that I get it this this is this is how I know I'm by hi. I totally understand that yeah yeah. uh-huh what about some Murphy Yeah. I'm I'm actually really excited to to hear this. Oh well so I echo the sentiment of offense that can kick my ass. 'cause my moment came. When I was a little the younger and I remember my dad going. Hey murph you gotta come in here and see this obviously he didn't say that 'cause codenames and shit but hey Murph Chimera. You've got to see her outfit and I was like okay. I came on it was Michelle. pfeiffer is cat woman doing a vinyl outfit with a building blowing up behind her going mail. I was just like I love you. You can murder me. I have a lot of feeling ceilings Capello in yes. I see I see her out. Physical reactions are happening. The outfit is is super. I really like the outfit the showing his dad. What what film did you say. This was returns excellent definitely have this on. VHS Yeah. I'm INC zone also need. ABC We are in my room. Yeah No by butterfly excellent cool. I'm GonNa Yeah Yeah Michelle pfeiffer cat woman. I'm in outer space. Now you guys to say pretty much anything excellent. I was actually going to run off with that and I can remember I am. I still remember turns in theaters. I was like Oh yeah. I like that You're you're not alone. Dude Holy Shit theater like God I mean I I knew she was before Lorde the actress but then like as a whole new. Oh yeah feet bloodthirsty sharp-clawed wielding a wind kicking the Shit Outta people yeah surfing taken charge. GonNa make it no. I'm GONNA listen whole bunch more additives and you start putting. We need to put like one of those roll along. We're made things in here towels else. Hand people sit on. I'm I wore jeans bitch. I planned jeans also don't hold but so much that's it's true I've I've. I've had we've had upsets before. Five save lives and couches and I haven't really discussed this much on the show at all but I wouldn't even call myself by by because I'm pretty much. The girls are like big fan but I mean they are been told lately. The term is Hetero flexible where it's like mostly mostly straight but with a little bit of a little bit of a curvature to your signature inspire the appreciation of a sexually attractive male surly. That's just not being a Douche bag fair enough fair enough. Yeah I mean where's the line and it was like okay. No He's attractive can do like I get it. Okay okay move on. I think it's in the line of the early low end of kindy scale wherever you're looking at like zero but like in the one and two range kind of like one would be you like you're like. I'm actually attracted this person. I don't know if I would do anything about it. I'm not comfortable there but I can definitely be attracted this person and to like I might that's an thank you johnny. Depp and we're just kind of like all right for me it. was you know Johnny. Depp would have been a better choice for me but I did not see twenty one jump street until I was already in a till. I was already a man point break again. It was actually it was not just Kiana was just the whole all situations. SWAYZE act was like angry each other and wetsuits. I'm like Yay so I mean I think that like like actually this is a perfect ledin because I think that everyone can appreciate Patrick swayze for different reasons but also I think he was very versatile. I discussed that I have thing for Lori. Very petty in point break so it was just like Oh. This is an easy transition into just being attracted to everyone in this movie yeah. That's that's the weird thing is it is it was Patrick swayze but for me actually I saw him in his fucking silk shirted self in Ghost before I I saw ghost before shirt right. I put him in a different place for me. As far as cinema people go you know if you see him in that light in the point break totally different characters right yeah well. I my first Ditto viewing movie now long Fu. Oh thanks for everything Julie Newmar the body. That's right okay so I mean Jonah resign. Mode were killed incredible. I love that movie so much soccer channing. Yeah Oh God yeah that's right yeah Stockard channing. If you don't know that name was Rizzo in grease you're talking talking about a cat woman in Batman talk about the original cat woman Julie Newmar US Joe Batman Sixty six statuesque yeah yes exactly women in general are just super gay family or adjacent not mad. No well. I mean had an offer fucking sexy and hathaway is sexy well though index though the are two icons are poison ivy and Harley Quinn which I actually like like that. That's a fun switch and I really enjoyed. All three of them run around together but that's a whole other stuff after you get your fucking movie I still I still need to borrow those comics did did you see you can pray movie birds of prey else though they're doing no they're doing. They're doing birds of prey but there they were the Gotham city sirens. The sirens commends yeah well. It's GonNa have Harley and cattleman right. Isn't that what they're doing with. I don't know if those are the characters I know harleys in it and also the the emancipation of Harley Quinn is like poison ivy was supposed to be in that too and that would make sense lovers or or close friends deep Ubuntu anyways. I just really wanted to recognize that. I appreciate their queer. Romance and I think it's much relationship now. We are right at the end but there is one more movie that we needed to discuss before. We got Outta here so chain eighty million movie fit in so much. I haven't doc death yeah a will. There's a way or sheets or they said that's what we said but there's so much to touch on whether it's Priscilla Queen of the desert whether it's the iconic director James Whale who was who was the director of Frankenstein and bride of Frankenstein and also was the subject of the film gods and monsters little man to I think right I believe so yes okay yes but in then on top of being the film gods and monsters is being about the life of James Well. He was played by the utterly iconic in mcallen who if you want to talk about a fucking queer icon. Let's talk about sewer and Patrick Stewart together. I know Patrick Stewart isn't an all gay. I want I want I. I want and mckellen to be together because it was make me so. Happy is the fucking perfect example of the right kind of ally. Yes we're not even a thought in his mind like he's super supportive of but the perfect example of nontoxic match absolutely abso fucking or he's messes foot but it's not it's not slowing shared on anybody now we're being and being masculine and he's sensitive in Lake Yeah and heart on sleeve. He's had conversations about about some shit. He's gone through in his life like really dark stuff yeah that with his mom in some really messed up stuff that he's been pretty open about to raise awareness about it and like absolutely if you WanNa talk about love even to be open about that kind of stuff is huge especially being that kind of an icon that massive the other. There's so many things that I want to talk about can I glazed by one more and then talk about the but don't make fun of my wizards. Make Fun of it. I was so the one of the other really well known films that a lot of the films that I feel like fall into popular culture involve drag Queens and so we have the difference between the casual which came out in seventy eight and the birdcage which came out in nineteen ninety six and while I still Kinda WanNa fight like the Sun. I definitely want to fight this on. Both those movies because Fuck you stop making your dad's push away their their lives sure because you are uncomfortable that some bullshit but the tone of those movies shifts drastically in that that time period from the from the original to the remake and not just because it's a different director sure but because like we're starting to see the shift in the way that home homosexuality is perceived and it's partially because location but also just slowly making progress in that's kind of Nice to see in films. Do you think some that might be to do to the actors so in the nineties when we had Robin Williams and Nathan Lane but what about the original isn't McCain and somebody no king was in the original can't remember the original original actors but it it actually has to do with this the scenes and the way that they portray them like in the birdcage were there. Albert's practicing being more masculine. They're trying trying to quote unquote pretend to be straight to pass as like remember the which is awkward. I mean his portrayal of John. Wayne's walk is amazing. It was pretty great but they accidentally bump into another person. Hey Watch it carefully and then tries to get all like Bush and guesses shit kicked out of him while Tom in the original. They're talking in a bar and these dudes basically like the fuck you doing here and like throw slurs at them like it's it's a whole whole lot more hardcore. I got a different perspective from birdcage and I'm not saying you're wrong because fuck crackhead like and my perspective is not saying don't fuck that kid like fuck that kid period a whole different path when you saying what I got from the birdcage kind of appreciate his though The kid is an asshole for asking that of his of his of his parents to hide who they are as a person I think the movie itself informs that as being the wrong decision by the end of it where he is like this is not okay and he's got the outside outside pressures of this not being his life that he's not gay and he feels the pressure of an outside world. That's not accepting of it and he bends to it which he shouldn't have fucking done. This is the parents like he should have stood by supported them but then he realizes as other people have much stronger values against this turn change their minds about after having some real interaction. He's like Oh yeah. I haven't asked all this is stupid so like the movie itself informs that this kids being kind of a Dick Nick and that the real champion of this situation is killing ignorance is exposure to different people and different lifestyles. Als and exposure itself will be like okay so like you're just people right yeah yeah there. There is that and that is a storyline that runs in both of the films and like they're they both have the same resolution but I mean watching your father's partner of how many years just leave with their toothbrush because they're so heartbroken. Yeah I fuck you. Fuck you. It'll be better it'll be better without him so I can pass and try to meet my girlfriend's parents. Blah Blah Blah. Yeah I just now I still I still want to drown that kid toilet. I don't care. I think you're GONNA do that. No that said the LAKOTA fall is the original birdcage their best to hard corners of the original who you're saying no like that. Let's remind you may remember from the remember the remake yeah where he leaves and then he comes back in drag so Armand goes to get Albert and litter is just like look. I never mind all of this shit. I share my life with you like he goes all right. Mony Graham is like no. You're my partner fifty fifty in in everything like you know it's it's the equivalent of like a marriage agreement and the the stake that he holds in his life and he's just like no. This is where my commitment it lies. This is so just some bullshit that saw two team yeah. They decide to try to make it work as we're like our Jonquil and then later on Albert comes out and dragon rocks the scene but do remember that watch it again. It's an adult's a very different yeah. I I remember as a kid enjoying it like I definitely know is like it was a drama but also had very comedic parts like I remember like around. Williams like fucking followed that man it's Funnier as adult okay and there isn't one sounds like it was definitely a product of his time because that's what it was like but very hard core because again it was hardcore in the seventies right right. I mean they were very very just agro. fucking toxic disgusting towards anything like that that's the final thought of this is kind of the best way to sum this up. What yes s. Murphy Yes we're like twenty minutes over but can we at least talk about just mentioned. Steven Universe and how wonderful and beautiful and the fact that they have a sexual representation and and by sexual representations and Trans Representation. It's wonderful and it just did yeah there. We go there. We go okay done. One thing that is is kind of a major conversation. That's happening in in cinema in literature in comics all of that right now is the difference between a portrayal and representation and end stereotypes. we're coming from an era where the people of this community were stereotypical characters that were seen as like villains or jokes jokes or like. Lewin grace will and grace had a bit of that. I mean a lot of that Jack. The character was the the gay punchline time and and because it was another gay character that was calling out how ridiculous he was that was why it was okay at the time and yeah now. We've progressed to a point where that's not. That's that's not gonna fly as well as as it used to and for good reason we've progressed. There's just characters that happen to be gay and that's becoming more part of the parlance. The characterization and an exploitation is still a wire walk along time because you don't want much so you don't want every character like I. I don't want them to act like the stereotypes of games like there are there gay people are flamboyant. There are gay people that I don't know a lumberjacks like you don't have. There's not like one way to be you. WanNa know one of the one of the shows that actually did a really good job of just making their gay characters. Just be regular asked. People Grey's anatomy and nothing about that. I and I understand that but you know what Kelly was a wonderful bisexual character and strength you see back switching characters and her wife was a you know was a like they didn't make it like a big fucking deal that which was really cool like yes of course they had to have the thing where her where. Kelly's Ali's family freaked out because they were they were Catholic words involved. It's exactly exactly but like they let they. They had them. They had them. They had a kid. They had like the they. They showed that they showed them going through. Do a divorce a you know a you know a custody thing like it was it was like they were regular ass a couple yeah and that was really cool. The fact that they were gay like I mean yeah it added a different flavor to it but it like they were commuted exactly like all all the other couples on the show which was really cool. I got much of that as well and I'm mad that it kind of blew up the way that it did was in the Star Trek movie where Sulu Sulu Sulu character was portrayed as a gay character like when they met up with his partner and their kid and it was just an off handed thing where there's no big like to a doll but it was absolutely no mosh to to Kai that portrayed the role and he was like this is not a gay character. I think this is stupid and it's like and and there have been moments where characters change their sexuality different points but if it's never been approached before then it's like well yeah. It was never really discussed if this if this character is straight or gay like then so you it's open for for as that why why why does the default straight yeah and also something that was mentioned that characters that find a different path during the story which is like the cheerleader from heroes or willow in in buffy the vampire we didn't even discuss. I know whoa Brooklyn Nine Brooklyn nine nine. We didn't talk about or sense eight late or how about six feet under Michael Michael Hall's character yeah. We didn't talk about that. He dealt with a lot of shit with that throughout the series clearly like even the todd in scrubs though the Todd God I forgot about that he's interested in in other ways but yeah yeah okay clearly like to do it to some really. Nice the LGBTQ representation in film TV Comics literature period. No it's just not going to happen now and fortunately so oh and hopefully even more fortunately that's going to be consistently more of a thing as we move forward. There are shows that are very queer focused and there are other. I shows that are are just there are characters that happened to be both are deeply important. Honestly we're here. We're not going anywhere yeah like. It's not like there's going to be somebody be like what about this and it's like you know what I never thought about that way. Guess what no more gays like. That's not how it works. No nope not going not going anywhere. Thank you very much find the perfect argument to like. No this is clearly just a thing. That's part of the human experience so. I'm happy to celebrate a pride. I'm happy to celebrate the representation that's been in pop culture and media and I want to hear from our listeners on your favorite characters you've you've seen through TV and movies or anything and also we didn't even touch on comics which I definitely want to have more of that conversation because that is severely lacking the amount of representation in comic books but it's is changing slowly but surely can we all just have a Harare for Bat woman that woman et that woman that woman oh that's the end of this episode of Geeks under the influence. Thank you so much for listening. We're going to the next one. I think the next full G. Y. Is Our first episode I episode of our Halloween Halloween run of all spooky spooky busy soupy all spooky so stay tuned for that check out all the other shows. It was on our network. We've got nine shows. Jiwei podcast dot com for all that Info for links to our social media hit us up on our hotline number eight. 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Ep 6: Scream to the Screen with Skeet Ulrich

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Ep 6: Scream to the Screen with Skeet Ulrich

"TURNS and everybody. I hope everyone is doing great today. I want to thank you guys for getting through last week with me in the launch of keeping podcast. I can't tell you how appreciate I am. Forever has been supporting me all week long. I've been getting great feedback. The budget tips on how to me better. Some of the early episodes recorded we do have a bit of an excellent issue so I apologize learning for me but since then it's been fix so when you do your that that's why this episode also has a cat trying to eat the MIC. The whole time soon hear that today child actor and France alridge. Some of the older generation may know him from movies like the craft or scream movie. And if you've watched the hit show Riverdale you'll recognize him as F P Jones. Since last week's podcast were pretty packed with injuries. And some of the heaviest stories ever. I thought this week will slow down a little bit and really listen to somebody who is truly in love with their craft. We talk about what it's like to become famous for social media Growing up in a car racing family some this humble beginnings as an actor all the way up to working with actors like Jack Nicholson. How almost became a marine biologist? I I don't ski for probably almost ten years. And he is really truly a kind amazing human he's a master craftsmen when it comes to woodworking an extraordinary father of two so without further. Ado Let someone in your helped. Did you outta done something extremely kind. Have you been recognized. Those humans are in your life. WanNa send them a message of thanks wall supporting great. 'cause there's a growing movement of people spreading kindness highness making a positive impact. Juma buddies over the kind humans movement right now by going to kind humans dot Com. Celebrate the time in your life and hope raise a million dollars for some great causes kind. Human celebrated humanity by cultivating a community of kindness promoting conscious consumption in always giving back right now. They're building a marketplace for sustainable socially socially responsible products so we can make our kind of place to our day to day purchasing actions. Go check him out kind. Humans dot com pig some kindness and pass it on. How long have you lived in La? I I came to La and to start you know filling stuff at the first phone. My Dad was Baltimore and then I was in second one third phone the craft I came here from from New York and glancy. That was nate Campbell's while was in it and Robin Tunney and you know it was a cool cool film whatnot. I stayed at a friend's house in West Hollywood and I use my premium to fill their. You know their refrigerator and uh and it's crazy. Think like this guys in the movies and he's just like sleeping on a dude's couch well in that time you're just starting out so it was. You know I mean I was making decent money for somebody just starting out but like you know you don't have enough to get your own place yet. Necessarily I wasn't even sure I wanted to be out here. And you're frowned around where you live at the time I was in New York City I went to Nyu and I was in New York. Close to seven years You're from North Carolina. I was born in Virginia Jin raised in North Carolina. Kinda raised all over the place. But when I first came out here in the early mid nineties I I hate it. Ah I thought everybody was so lazy and coming from that New York theatre work ethic. I was just didn't like it. Fortunately got to offer only pretty quick quick on films and sticker up. I didn't have to audition I didn't need to. I mean I probably should have stayed longer but I've moved to Virginia and then when I came back here when the kids were a year old that was like two thousand to and I was going to a divorce stuff like that. I wound up. You know looking for. I had a house over off Valve Post Farm in Virginia sold them both in the divorce ores and spending year just renting looking for the right place and then I a friend of mine showed me this place and I was like Don this. This doesn't feel like la now feels like that's coming from five hundred acres of privacy. It's gotta be at least private and this is this is private as you could probably get being like some massive accessible fifteen million dollar property in forty minutes to the grocery store yet it does. He moved out here now. and You you actually once the craft around that time that's got to be mid-nineties right ninety six. Yeah well I think they released it ninety. Yeah Yeah but you. That was the cart before actor. Scream we were shooting scream. When they released the craft? Okay so Neven I celebrate. It was number one at the box office. You know and so we're going to be the biggest movie stars in the world. I mean I didn't really see it that way the F. Feel like you knew that scream is gonna be special. We didn't win though idea number one box office already in another movie and Yeah Time you've got to be like you gotta be early Tortoise Twenty Six when I was shooting scream but I mean I I don't know it never. It never really focused on the business side of too much. You get forced to at times but I just liked doing it. I love the craft of it and And I just kind of get lost in that. They're honestly every every project. I'm on at some point. I forget that people are actually going to see it you just get lost in the storytelling of it. Or I do and and I forget project with your friend. I don't know what it is. You just get lost in the and then occasionally you'll go for close sober something we'll go. Holy Fuck like millions of people are going to see this. Yeah but if you'd sat around thinking it I I think he would make different decisions you know. Isn't that what effect and you're the decisions you really WanNa make based on. I think it would get clouds at a little bit. So you know I for whatever reason I just get lost in forget about. You know that it's for an audience and sometimes that's good sometimes. It's bad but yeah. Yeah that's just part of the way it goes for me but now we have no idea what was going to be hit or what was going to you know and I didn't really care. I just wanted to work at well. I didn't want to just work. I wanted to work on high quality. Things are you know wanted to move forward and I was fortunate. I worked with a lot of great directors very early on not sort of Serotonin. That's after windscreen. Did come out though Tom Did your light was at the first bit of like. Oh this because it was a very obviously teeny bopper. But it's like you know a teen movie for sure and it was the first of that kind of as revamp of those sort of teens slasher movies from these and it was smart and it was an did was the first bit of like. Oh I'm famous where he felt it walking around and my now night such a different time. Now you mean like we're like Oh live famous but like oh I'm noticed. Can't do certain things or noticeably. When I walk around people look at me I mean I so you know maybe to some extent but you have to remember? There was no social media at the time. Would you spoke wasn't even around. Which I you know I? There can be arguments for what's better and what's worst but it was better. Yeah I mean it was definitely different different. I guess better software but different. Yeah I mean you got bags. Eggs of handwritten letters garbage bags full. That was the only way you knew that people knew your work was magazines wanted to do. Pieces uses on you. How the film performed box office wise? And how many bags of handwritten letter or letters comments that great. Ah Come at you to write a letter. You ever get bad letters. Honestly I never open them. I never had time to all those women that are in their forties. Now or like you son of a bitch. I spent so many so many letters to you. I was just pointing just never I mean. They had services to take care of that stuff. I didn't even employ that. I just I don't even know where they arrived to. I mean typically. We didn't even have managers at that time. So go to your agents and or your publicist but there was no barometer. Really of like I never really experienced all. Can't walk down the street or oh I can't do this. I think I blend in end so well you know and I was planning and still probably the thing. I'm proudest of in my career. Is I play a wide variety of parts. I know right you have your. That was a very specific thing. But then after you didn't yet Newton Boys Yeah. I did a lot of choices the I really like. I really like chill factor. I don't know why that when I think of that movie. That's like a really fun movie for me. It's so wild because you say it like I say it on a lot of sets I think people experience it for the most part or may or may not or whatever but I'm like really in in years later the only thing you'll look at is the experience you had the you know the process of making it the people you hung out and so when you mentioned chill factor that I don't know how it did did I don't know how people perceived it but I know I laughed my ass off every fucking day to the point. My stomach hurt because Cuba. gooding junior is one of the funniest people really really you ever hang out with. And I couldn't wait to leave San everyday because my stomach just eight laughing all day long. So that's what I remember that film and that's what I mean by like you know that's gotta be so weird when you did either. I remember but I mean it's very weird when you have so so much fun and if the experience is so much better and may not do as well as a film that is the opposite expenses terrible. I mean I did a TV show in the experience. It was terrible but people loved it and I wonder if the reason why they loved it was because that turmoil we rain while filming shows through in some of the things we are doing. Maybe which you know what I mean like made it a bit more real but it's a really strange industry to like wait right like the two barometer of whether or not it was successful is meaningful in your life is totally jets different in their three levels levels of it. You know. There's your own personal experience. There's an audience as experience and there's businesses experience which is always going to be money. Yeah which is awesome. Relief is the the decision maker on anything right yeah. We are beholden to those people to throw money away and not. It's not just you personally but for film for whatever so you're hoping that at least WanNa keep doing that but yeah it's it's a it's an interesting business. It's a more interesting art you before you came. Do you remember what your first movies were that you did. Because I I read something and I didn't know this but you were in weakened at burnings I get wow. I don't know that I was in. I was in the party scene in it. That was Maureen biology student and I was going to my in North Carolina where they were filming a lot of stuff that time and I walked into my not my dorm room but the whole building and there was a PA.. They're looking for extras stirs. For decided you need accurate. No no thought about it and no allied in Queens. I had I was moved by. I films in a way that I was like. That's really like I started to see the power of metaphor pretty quickly in films but so I was just a marine biology student looking for beer money and I thought oh that sounds. We'll review the marine biology. Do I don't even know why I picked the this is very away from home but we couldn't afford at that point for me to really go to schooling where else. I didn't really give a shit to be honest. And and I you know I just picked it. I had to go somewhere. In state from Concord. North Carolina UH and Wilmington North Carolina was about four hours away. I was like that's kind of cool. It's on the beach. I bet chicks would really find marine. Algae -ality this stupidity of my decision making process at the time anyway wound up like yeah wound up doing a a few days extra work on that and then and then I did Did like three other films. It's next jeter's is one of the coolest story from now route one Sam Rockwell. And I were extras together. No Way Yeah. So he was. I think he had one line so he was a little higher but we buddied around around and whatever and he was living in New York and about a year later I moved to New York on third and twentieth and Grammercy Park and he has tape. The friends know that time. They didn't even have cellphone right so I don't I David Wright hearing larger numbers or anything you know and he he was people. Don't realize how easy it is to lose contact with. I didn't remember. I guess I'll never see them again. Yeah victim number. Once it's changed. I'll never hear them again. Yeah Yeah it's not like now you and just Google somebody like find whatever you get to New York so I get to New York and at Nyu you now. And I go down to the Deli. That's half a block from my apartment and there's a two doors between me the and that delay from my door and standing in front of one of them one day was Sam Rockwell. What are you doing here? The less per studio where he trained and was the two doors down. You know from my apartment. He's a high school yearbook. What are you doing here? I'm going to NYU Blah Blah. And it was just crazy that all the millions of people. Yeah and in that time when there was no communication that I ran into him and so we never kept in touch. You know but like I've been around the business long enough. He sends messages through hair and makeup people in this matter. They you know awesome just lights up appointing talks Blah Blah Blah. I saw him last year for the first time in probably ten years outside the Chateau Mont the night before the Oscar before he won and he just came up and gave me the longest hug. And just help me in. That hug was can you believe it. Yeah Yeah can you believe it and yeah. So that's when I think I liked teenage mutant Ninja Turtles and all that shit I instantly of Sam. That's that is what a man you must extract teenage girls. And now you're winning an Oscar an extra riverdale. Now you're eh well after you know the big big moments in municipals and we Bernie's and then you decide you'll be an actor and now you're here at what point because I felt like there was a point where even when I just think you're a little bit older than me. So that would I would have been in my late teens. Means Right Twenty eight year mean like I remember I was living. I think I was living in the mountains nearby. When like the screen movies coming out right so 'cause I remember we drove? We drove down. It was like scream. Two or three was coming out and we I was Super Fan of all that. It's at one point. I wanted to be a director so it was like and like that. You know that like a young kid. Those felt like a doable thing like. Oh that's something I could and I remember roll like we lived in big bear in the winters snowboarding every day and I was like the air on the opening night. We're going so we drove. My roommate remain drove down to redlands or somewhere and it was like a super ghetto neighborhood right right and it was probably one of the most enjoyable movie Dot incensio horror movie in like this is like the ghetto right and so we get in there get killed the frame and so because there are people looking at us like who are these two young dumb. He's like Super White and I'm like all right. We get in there and we're we're sitting down watching the movie and it's like Bitch like scream at the movie like this is like common sense stuff you know. It was really similar title experience on the very first film. I Made in Baltimore with what it was called. Boys that with Who's in that when owner notoriety? Yeah John C Reilly Lukas Haas. Chris Cooper is great cast. I played this mayor. Do well pro baseball pitcher. Who comes into town is getting her drugged up and try and then we ultimately I in my drunken drugged out Hayes wreck the car and I die? She survives like in this. You know We go off a bridge into a long on gets out. I don't and it's sort of the impetus for her character's evolution through the film but I fell. Aw Man Baltimore John C Reilly Lukas Haas for like. Let's go see a movie Wes. Craven's new nightmare. Just come out. We go to the inner harbor. Not Knowing the inner harbor. Arbor's dangerous frigging neighborhood in Baltimore. You and John C Reilly and Lucas. Okay three of the whitest dude. You've ever see yell into this theater and and somewhere in the first half hour of the movie. This dune walks down. The aisle past US goes just one seat into the right and reaches back and just POPs the shit out of the dude sitting there and Hayao S- ensues like watts riot breaks out in the movie theater and the three of us get down on the floor and precious past are row. And I'm like let's go. We run out of the theater. We get into the elevator. And we're hyperventilating fucking panicked elevator doors open and do comes out pulling out a weapon and blows past us not cop gun. Yeah and what am I going to go and we leave been like to this day if I see John C we looked at each other. And we're like oh the whole experience is ultimately more scared than new nightmare as the scariest movie. You've made the move away better. We Ah remember telling him up because I had obviously not worked with less of that time but I remember telling him that story. Oh so you didn't see the end e that's all. He heard how we know each other as long time now. Almost ten years in two thousand ten I lived in down down the street. So Yeah so Zion years. That's crazy to think it's been a long felt like there was a time after that that I didn't see. Are you in movies great in movies or TV. So I know there were like there was law law and order law and order around the time but I felt like the winter and there was a time where I felt like Whoa skeets like the new biggest movie star. Like he's GonNa he's the biggest moves earnings because in everything at least the moves I was watching it and then all of a sudden I felt like A. Where'd you go 'cause? I wasn't watching a lot of TV. What what changed that? Do you think I I mean. Can you know I moved to Virginia. That doesn't Anti-chinese. No I made like fifteen films while I lived there including anger lease as movie. You know I made a mental some great phones while I was there what angle is just like I ride with the devil. The only unreleased angry moved never released. I know they've let it out for four days and pulled it why They you know they were worried about it being about a black confederate soldier. Jeffrey Wright played. But it's really not what the story is about stories about friendship. How friendship can transcend race can transcend politics war But they honed in on that aspect of it and got worried about it ever can get it now or is it on the criterion collection. You can get it on on items. It's out there. It's extraordinary movie. We opened the Toronto Film Festival. That thousand seat theater balling cheering like great film. It's mainly of course and then Don gone. Is that weird. He's an actor work. orcas something be super proud of it and then have it. Just be like that. Part of my life didn't exist. I did exist. That's what I mean about. The things you remember about. All of it exists in all of that was profound and more profound than whether the film succeeded or not like as good as it gets where initially that was really a four Hander at twelve scenes cut out of it you know the other three cast members were all nominated two of them one. You know the film was nominated at so I had a lot of things. Everything was laid out was I was working with great people in and then I you know relationship started to change. I have was forced to kind of change my perspective on things just to keep said home and and I did a you know when and we got pregnant with the twins I did a couple of films I shouldn't have done because I was doing wisely type films. You know and then I did like a comedy Leslie Nielsen. But it was a comedy done with some of the brightest minds of English comedy Bob. Speers who created did faulty movie was in that one was called Chili dogs. I mean I feel like when you're looking at stripped I don't know because like when you're looking at a script tripped same way you look at a band. If they have a super shitty name that it might not be that good. We didn't make it was called Kevin on the north when we made and they went with Chili dogs and they went the Chili dogs. Yeah more takeover at some point but I made a couple of films I shouldn't have made but I took a year off when the kids were born. The and then you know that relationship got tougher and tougher and tougher to the certain things things and and I you know I had to move back out here started doing TV. So it wasn't on the road with the kids and all Italian me so yeah I was really until Riverdale Kinda forced to only work in. La Are not forced. I but you know we made the decision. Yeah which is not easy to do now. I mean there's very few films you know and unless you're you know one of the top point five percent of movie stars like you know you don't really get to choose which films and certainly if you're limited to one city it sometimes actors can more can connect sometimes dictate with city. It's filmed it. I had power to move. TV shows here but not film. Some people do absolutely such a crazy idea. Yeah I could do it with TV. Jericho is supposed to shoot in Calgary We shot here mm-hmm anyway I started. You know I did. TV to be at home and to to be present for Jacob Anaya and which. Yeah I mean your kids are great. That made the difference shop. -solutely I mean it's been you know it's been the greatest thing I've ever done. Raising two of the coolest brightest you you know amazing kids your your son. He always does now. He's race car driver. Yeah well yeah. He's he's definitely got that in his blood. And that's because you grew up in a NASCAR race car Families that right nothing entira family. What does so where does that fit into pitcher? I mean it's kind of is the picture My grandfather raised My uncle's number two all all time. Nascar Ricky Rudd my mom started the first PR for Manassas Karma. First Step Dad race nineteen seasons. My brother still works in the sport. My cousins my you know my own was the most sought out other uncle Massad after engine builder at that time like it was it was our whole life but it ended up being a race car driver out. Well at that point you decided marine biology but we couldn't even afford to give me go carts to start you're listening to you. Know fewer asked my uncle whoever run Baja with on dirt bikes. You know who have run his. He's got a track of his farm. You know on we've run go-carts all over the place and all that he he will tell you. I was meant to do that like he's like every time we run something he's like you compete compete with those guys like but we couldn't afford at that time. My Stepdad would sell the SOFA to buy parts for his team. Use running back of the pack. You Know We'd you'd lineup at the Infield at a little booth and you know get your cash at the end of the race weekend for the you know. And if he finished thirty thirty ninth. We knew we weren't having steak that we've you know or whatever you know so we just really couldn't afford for me to even get started. Isn't it so crazy. And there was no impetus towards my mom was busy busy like there was nobody guiding my brother and other than my brother and I and so it didn't really seem like an option. You know I would get jobs. You know working in engine shops and shit just to make some cash but There was nobody sort of say in this. Is Your family lineage. Here's your fears clearly. Feels like it. Is it definitely was not an So I have a passion for driving for you know for racing in general but not enough really not like I do for acting unlike not nearly but if you would have been groomed but if you'd have been from the start like how you started Jacob might know I think yeah because there's things that interest me and I feel like I'm kind of good at this. Yeah like snowboarding back in the nineties if I would have started a little bit earlier I'm like oh I probably could have been a pro snowboarder because I liked it I liked and I think I because of you know with bikes and stuff. I knew what it took. I see now I know what it takes to get good. It's something whether you're talented at it or not and I remember having that feeling with snowboarding when I finally got into it like Oh if I wasn't already doing bikes this would dictate all my time. Yeah I don't think there would have been another. I think just as the person I am I would've it would've happened just based on what is doing. I think that's easy to I do. And I think it's you know it's an important distinction to make in life and I talked to Jake about a lot my son because you know he really really loves cars and and and you know I think he really wishes. He had a career in racing her. It's Sorta like woodworking for me like you can do those things things you're passionate about. Somebody may not pay you to do them. But you know it doesn't chores you know and or work to enjoy certain things where we race there. Are you know dozens of people who work nine to five or longer all week long to be able erase that week. Let's be honest. That's most everybody everything you're interested in it's usually not your profession but something like that. I mean I'm blessed to do. You would love truly love and yeah I have cool hobbies that I've joy they you know I'm not in my shop. Twenty four seven like I. I am reading scripts getting ready for films all that stuff. I do want to address a little bit more. That point you brought up about you know I in in terms of like disappearing from film. It was kind of a kind of had to have a couple of things happened at that time. The DOT COM crash really killed. You know where are the big four big studios were making twenty five films. A year. They started making four a year and so so it got really really super competitive. That was the move for a Lotta talent to TV because film industry was collapsed. Only the the elite were getting the parts that wanted to do there used to be a you know a lot of material choose from it was room and then production halted on films for a while and became the thing which was great. I mean I you know I. I ultimately wound up. Love raising my kids all my own for the most part since they were three. I mean you know you probably remember Daizo School. They barely saw their mother. And I mean I mean I remember before we met because our kids are seen at schools. Like oh there's feet you know and turned out our kids being friends. That's how we ultimately met friends for a while they were like on separable Lived in this house here he added and then I remember when I started. We started coming over and doing stuff I was like I cannot not believe. How much do you know your kids like? At the time. I never had a small child the my own Lena and that was like watching you do that especially with me. Now trying to navigate. How do that and find times really hard but I remember Thinking like what I find myself at a place now and I'm like this is impossible I think about like I think I skied Komo. He's not more handsome than me in no way. He's not that much more talented nine. I'm in the range I got it but yeah I mean you literally everything your kids I mean I think that you taking that time with your kids is honestly made all the difference on the people they earn it. You know it's been amazing. I mean night you know but I worked through it all as well. That's the that's the the difficult and interesting thing is They weren't raised by Nannies. I hired a nanny for nine months when I did Jerko by the way Jericho I love that show thanks. That was such A. I felt like that was to me when I think of you now I think Jericho. Yeah is that weird did not. It's switched from like what I think. That was such a popular show and it just ended and ended in was so popular in. I felt like I felt so close to my heart that I felt like it was like the thing. You never got the answers to same. But then I heard a nanny when I did the law and order L.. A. Like three or four years after that for like six months and that was it. That's the only nannies I've ever hired. They've grown up on sets. And and you know we may do that thing that people don't see and we'll never see as the three pilots did around that time I remember. We're incredible incredible. Didn't happen basic NI- for John Wells. John Wells shameless one of the arguably one of the best minds in entertainment. You now and we were doing a show. Says he space it needs Shell Phev Amy Smart. I mean Janeane Garafolo incredible cast basically telling story of these doctors. Take down the pharmaceutical industry in hindsight how you ever GonNa get that on CBS. I know so lobby night. I made decisions artistically. That some of them just didn't pan out. I mean I never went anywhere. I was always working. I know level I remember that is sometimes those things. Don't go to series in people feel like you just disappeared. I I remember there was a time when you were like needs to work. That works folks. Remember you're working at. Yeah but just your pilot and doing this and doing this and work in a market and nothing pans out and that has nothing to do with. No here's the thing about that. And now it's changed a little bit in. The you know with Netflix. And the wave TV is produced. Now there's not really that just traditional pilot season anymore more but at that time you pick the pilot in February or March shot it in April or margin to April and then in May you found out whether it was going to series or not if it's not going to a series there aren't more pilots until the next year months later. Yeah so you had to guess you either did guest stars which I didn't do because I never wanted to or you found movies and you're talking about one city so like you know. I made a movie genre. Known orangish Vernon Matt Dillon and I made the best movies I get at the town in granted. Yeah they were. I auditioned for that. I didn't get but I did. So you know some good ones and you just keep going you know. I mean the cool thing is I never you know. There's there's there's a thing that happens where you sort of you age out of being the thirty year old male leadership series and yet. You're not old enough to be the dad yet. So there's very few things are gonNA find that. Are you know So I mean it's always it's ever ever-evolving but when once you dedicate your life to something that doesn't necessarily feel like Agean you know. Yeah I think that's the separation of art and business. Yes to explain. Yeah you could look at Davinci's work and those three years that he spent on the last supper in for a while people go. You're not did you not doing anything. You're not doing anything not doing it Kinda I am just wait yeah. Just that's you know you're always working working on for me anyway. Always I still read different classic acting books. I still you know. Delve into psychology constantly. There's I am still always trying to be smarter in be better and be a better storyteller and you know that's that's something completely outside side of the business. When when Riverdale came around originally it was a smaller part? Is that right. I you know it was your idea. Here's something bigger three episodes. I remember you saying like Oh I got this got this. I'm doing this smaller thing on riverdale which I'd never heard of at the time it wasn't even okay that's probably Hawaii and and either way. It was like not a show that I watched that for. TV interviews. I never thought I'd do anything for the CW not you know. It just wasn't my my. I don't think they ever wanted me to the different audience. You know I was aging out of that Audience Johnson But you know the letter. I got from Roberto watching the pilot reading the pilot script and seeing how they executed acute it was like this is really good and the description he had of. FBI Jones that first season. I thought that's really interesting. You know and and and so I was like yeah. Let's let's do it and it was only three with the possibility of more than once. I did the three around up being seven or eight of the first thirteen. I remember 'cause you're like you did the three and I go. You like doing more remember you being like site like Oh this is great. I mean you know. Most of my experience on there has been shooting with coal. Kohl's fantastic mastic like I mean. I've seen his evolution as an artist. Even in the time I've been around him but he's truly like just such an incredible human being so smart so presence you know always has spent six years studying anthropology and you know he's just an interesting and Guy People WanNa label him as a kid 'cause he plays a teenager but he's twenty six years old. He was a man. Nose was stuffy. Takes care of a lot of stuff. People aren't even aware of that is beyond his years and really just in the pit of working with him like in. Our collaboration together of creating those roles together was like it was fun. It was really interesting and in. Yeah No. It's but you never know what these shows are GonNa who knows if anyone will ever see it and then boom it's arguably the biggest show on the planet if you told me like okay and then you did a few and then you've done I don't know how whatever season it is. You know like I still don't know what that show is really all of a sudden it was like I turned around at the grocery store and it was just everywhere every magazine I couldn't get and then all of a sudden because I think I looked in the direction of a magazine. That's Riverdale all of a sudden everything Internet indeed was filled with it and then I was getting chills. Must be doing good and then I remember I remember when you joined instagram. And Yeah and and you're like Oh you have so many followers and then I'd like I felt like it was just weeks later like ski. Millions of millions billions of people. It was having what happened and then world turn and then I commented I remember. I commented on one of your photos. You were like it's almost. It's almost that time. I made some date ridiculous ridiculous comment and then I looked back at it and I was like a spice up and it had like a thousand responses that was like holy smokes. It's pretty crazy I mean it's it's crazy what this bit of Riverdale is I would assume bigger than that original because of the Internet to you know it's it's an interesting thing like you know. I think it's I think they're I think it's multiple layers of what makes us show successful or not in some of it is distribution the. CW doesn't do big numbers in live audience but kids are watching TV. Live half the average live. Union age is forty two which I think shows you more of WHO's watching live. TV than it does necessarily necessarily that. Oh that's the skewing age for the show. You know the the day and date release would net flicks internationally like Netflix in the states. They're they're not allow their contract at the CW is they can't air it until I think it's a week after the final episode airs on the CW for that season resolve it so now flicks us. Yes we'll release all twenty two the week after we are the finale on the CW he w but around the world it's aired the next day every episode the next day the day after the next day after it airs on the CW. It goes international on Netflix. Lately so the first day of the first episode all episodes released. No no no no just that each episode is released on time. A lot of people are watching it that way. So yeah so we go to Paris and there's five thousand people outside the hotel. You can't go anywhere else now. Granted aid it. I went there John Lennon if I went there without coal in a in the younger kids. There there'd be a bunch of women in Bon Jovian DEF LEPPARD tight. But I am a part of this sort of world. Eagles mania the show and the reason I say it's arguably the most popular show on the planet. Is that the social media data reports. We get every week it. It is every week of the year the number one tweeted instagram and facebook. Show so Netflix doesn't release numbers of how many people are watching it but if you went by social social media which has to be the number one show on the planet if it is number one talking by like a few hundred thousand like thank you know hits our response or whatever it is that the Meta data they're looking at I'm talking like millions. I mean I have friends here. I think you're three or four million followers and another friend is has around the same actually about a million more than you and I look at the responses for like. And you like that from better. Don't you well. Well invites me over more. The thanks Josh. I look at like I hate to make that thing but like you look at like likes or comments. Four dollars an average of X. amount of likes and then I was like I looked at yours and I'm like you have less but your comments and likes are fifteen times as media annually. So that's telling the fans that are following you are fans they're engaged they're engaged fans and that makes all the difference in the world. Yeah you know now I know I see like I don't know if people by followers or what the deal is but you see some people with ten fifteen million followers they get fifty thousand likes to new like where what's skewed here. Because a lot of times I mean there's all these sites buying but I think there's a lot of times people who are like. Oh that person's famous I follow it. They're not in any way interested in what they're are doing follows so few people as you know you follow me. I do son of a bitch better. I know this cat is trying to eat me by the way I I. Hey there I was getting strangled so like I somebody posts a picture of the seventy some people I follow. I'm going to see it. I don't know how how people followed thousands of people and you don't you don't anymore right. Yeah it's Instagram's doing a weird thing where they're not letting me see the people you follow right right but they don't really see them follow and then but they're also sentenced people suggested follows so now you're like wait a minute. You're not let me see the people I wanna see in a Jesse people and I'm seeing don't even follow kinda sheep show you run over there and I it all has to do with trying to get people to pay not stuff. I wish they would just get. I wish they would just make a hey. This is the way instagram is. If you want everyone to see your stuff just pay one hundred and fifty bucks a year and then I just been cool done for the people who WanNa do that. I wish they would just it overnight and they make billions of dollars. Yeah Yeah I don't I don't really dabble too much. I think I've posted. I see I see. I see those like sexy shirt. UNBUTTON press shots you put up. I see I am so old now. I need a full proper photo shoot. So it's weird. They'd like this feel weird being like like well now like you said Kohl's twenty six. That's eight you're when you're filming scream right. Is it weird being like older and everyone. WHO's young we all SAL? Insane saying we're always like well. It happened so fast. Twenty six feels like yesterday. You know what I mean but you don't feel that much different and so do you watch. Do you watch these kids Magui. Why enjoy it but also do you feel like I live in this world like where I have to sort of dabble in that with instagram? All these things that that Matt but are also so very much argue like not even arguably like one hundred percent annoyingly time consent. If you're going to really try to make that a thing because because that's what I mean I don I dabble. I don't spend a lot of time on it or thinking about it necessarily i. You know I use it as a platform to to expose my work. The people who you know may or may not be watching or whatever and it's very different than when I came through this business business in the early to mid nineties. We wouldn't even do talkshows. We didn't want people to know anything about US personally. We wanted them to walk into the theater and experienced character. And the more you let people know about you the less they would fall into the shot and the different world I think it would also it probably made it feel like every character was new because they know much about you right now. You're like oh I see this guy saw so-and-so's so-and-so's dealing with a divorce I saw that at. CBS and you're watching his movie and you're thinking about their relationship and you've completely missed two minutes of the movie because you're you're discerning data that you didn't even necessarily mean to take in. Yeah but how interesting. What a weird thought for actors? Yeah I don't know how many people you think like that but it's funny. I I know used things like that because I remember we were talking about acting. This would have been years years ago and I regard it as a serious actor. That's how I think when you what I hear your name or whatever then or whatever uh-huh or whatever role you're done like a ski whatever he's doing too serious Akron he do told me something 'cause we're talking about we were you. Were just saying like it doesn't matter what the words say. The words could be talking about my friends pet elephant. But if I'm I will make whatever their meaning to me I can make the mean me. Whatever they want and that always stuck with me became an actor named to be honest? The power metaphor was like like you know I had experiences in my childhood. Bit were like Give a lot of them and you know nobody wanted to hear about it so in my family or anybody knows just brush it under the rug brush of our pets and and I realized like I can. I can make people here what I wanted to say. It's just the words didn't necessarily align with what but the field. The whatever the feeling you invoked it would win talk to whoever else might be feeling that same way a lot of it you know as David Mammon Bill macy in the technique that uh they created based off of you know other techniques that have been around but just really kind of in my mind. It was all about the metaphor. All about the the subtext and as as everything is as you and I sit here and talk. Yeah we're talking about this but there's other things were you know moving around in negotiating and guests and that is subtext. And that's what that's what people respond to is is is that we're all human. We're all dealing with the same things to draw facing the same issues. Believe it or not and you know those performances that transcend things are ones that reach people in that regard. Because you're speaking from a heart you know the heart of that in the human issues and I don't mean that the text even suggests that if you see Ralna you wouldn't look at the dialogue of that film if you read the script and go. It's transcendent that's gonNA speak to so many people but a great filmmaker in a great cast can knows how to push through metaphor and really reach. Humans reach their souls and that's the power of film that's power storytelling always has been the collective consciousness. The the reason fairy tales and I'm talking Grimm's brothers and the old school fairytales tells were filtered through hundreds and hundreds of years of cultures they have the ability to fix psychological issues. If you know there's there's a great book Bruno Battle. I broke called the uses of enchantment which is about how fairy tales can heal edible complex. Really started reading to your kids at from. Ideally the age of five five. And you know they're unanswerable. Questions in very tales that that set psychological thought processes in children and N La. But that's because you know you filtered through three hundred years of collective consciousness. Hundreds of years of collective of consciousness. And you've had a story that reaches the heart of people. There are filmmakers doing. Obviously I mean But that's yeah that's what I meant by the power metaphor like yeah. The dialogue is written there and it says what it says but what I what it means to me. He is more important that when you told me that that is one of the few idolised actually nothing else you've ever told me ever supposed to. That was the one thing that really changed my mind on how the actors actor how I would do stuff. If I'm doing something that required me to be doing something that I that I don't know if it's I didn't that I needed to figure out right like I didn't quite understand how to do it. I was like oh well this is where I bet with it. And so it's interesting. How you you know like I remember even being on an extra teenage mutant Ninja turtles and like it gets fucking boring? You know like standing around and then you just when you are shooting shooting. You're just standing around and yourself a little bit of credit. Sometimes you walk. You never know when that guy next to you is going to win an Oscar exactly and I remember like even then I knew Jack Shit about acting but I remember like okay. I got to walk from here to there and this this is so like self conscious so self conscious all right so this time I'm going to walk like And it was a college soon that time and walk like walk into that girls dorm. You know that I have a crush on Blah Blah Blah said to that and then we do another taking them like what at this time like I'm walking. I'm seeing my dad ten years like I'm walking confront him. You know as even before you're an actor just kind of interested in like how that would play out you know and and so that just I don't know it's it's an interesting evolution like art you know and From anything from furniture building from what you do like all the imagine or look at the all the various ways you've expressed yourself through so many different physicality Jason Things you take on from this. You know they're all like internal expressions of you. They're all things you're interested in your. You know some of them as as some of them are you know I gotta I gotta put food on the table so I hate this but I'm GonNa do it you know how do I do it. It lost are wrapped around you. And you're you know who you are as a person and and so so it's same thing like once you once you find that that thing you're just dying to do you know you'd never stop thinking about people tell me now my forties and I've been festival bike rider for a long time. Technically I'm still professional even though I don't don't feel like that my head and I think you've got to feel like it because at there was a time when I was one of the best bike. Ride out five or ten. Best bikers enrolled at what I did the time you know whether how short lived it was or whatever and so I know what it is to be great at something and feel like Oh. I'm at the cutting edge edge of what we're doing and so even know like I'm good at a lot of stuff. I missed that sort of feeling. Great at something. That's something I'm always like what I've got to find something else that I can be great at. That's an ego based thing but an ego but nobody. I don't mean great so the people I met like it's something like how can i. What do I look for something? I've gotta find this thing. Whatever it is because I've changed so much I just love to do right right like that? I'm not that I WANNA get better at it but you will get better at it because you love it. So there's because there's a growth. There's an inherent want to grow now. Because you need to because of the people but because like Oh that's so interesting to me. Absolutely how do I get better at it and ninety. How do I get better but you get better at it based on your love of just enquiring more knowledge of it right so there is a point of me where I'm like? I do all these things but I don't feel like there's one thing that I love with anymore that I feel like it's the the thing that charges me and I said I'm always constantly looking for it. The only thing that really is that way is just being a dad with but it's it is a weird when you doing something especially guys like us. So I've been riding my bike for professional might spike writer for two thirds of my life I've been riding bikes for almost three quarters of my like most people can't say they've done what they've done for a living for two thirds or three quarters of their life. That's crazy right now so when you do something for so long. It's there's an identity you know what I mean where you're like if I'm not this who Emma absolutely absolutely if all of a sudden you can't act anymore you don't mean like you have a lot of other interests but there would be assuming there will be a part of you like okay. Well this has been who I. Am for so long. Where do I how do I transfer that energy and and into something else so I can continue to be meet with? Yeah so you're right though. I mean I don't I can't separate me from do either. Yeah I love to have time off and do other things is but it's I think the most powerful example I could say I did a film with Jack. Nicholson as is good as it gets and I you know everybody I always loved his work though is like at that time. I was cocky. fucking twenty. Some y'all is is kind of a personality you know. His his performances are always based around his personality and had this notion of him. Of course he's fantastic ASPIC and powerful engaging and all that but I was like now is just play is it just because he's got this big personality and then we're in rehearsals. He he was he said. You know I've been thinking about playing old and became instantly clear when he said that sentence that he spends all day thinking about how to bring reality to the screen. Said I've been thinking about playing and I. I think the key is to treat every object in the room. As if it's the YOU WANNA be so. This is a hundred years old. I I WANNA be really careful not to disturb the dust around it might just break and you can see all his physicality slow the genius. Somebody that you're not thinking about playing you're thinking about things outside yourself and and we were like. Oh my God and Jim Brooks. The director was like Jack Genius. You have to tell people that will note what I was doing but you. You're just boiled it. The point of all that is that he thinks about these things. Twenty four seven. You don't think about something twenty four seven if you're not in love uh-huh and so something that people can't. I don't think unless somebody really you really love with something like that. It's a hard thing for for other people to grasp. Of course she loves you. Think about all the time like love it. I'm always thinking like no no. No you're not you're loving you art. Yeah are you are everything about. I just finished this foam right like I'm not allowed to say much about it but I did to work with Tom. Hanks I imagined by the time this comes which I cannot wait to see big you to imagine biggest fun dates bigger bigger. Aw but it was a it's a post apocalyptic thing and there's only like five people in Heaven and it's ten in years after the nuclear disaster and I couldn't help but think about voice in like what you would sound like to to lift through that you know or you know still be existing in this in such an intense environment in the script. Looked like if you put your hand in the sun instantly skin blisters off you know like that intense and so you have to operate by night you know. The wind stored the dust storms. Everything you know mad eliminated all everything green. Well you live in a pretty nice part of town where I live is. That's that's that's what is still enjoy enjoying the of these beautiful redwoods but anyway just like I didn't have a ton of time to prepare for it but every frigging moment was thinking about that voice and trying to find trying to hear it correctly so I could so I could get it out and and I. It's just it's so much fun so much fun. I think for acting that I always thought was. Would something appealed to me. Is that because I always want to do so much. Like I'm the guy who owned someone says okay. Well let's go do it and you know like a lot of those like I. I'd love to do this and the other day. Everyone's always like you do so much stuff on to you did this week. I'm like I was gone for thirty six hours hours. They drove eight hundred miles and went to caves. Lava tubes goes towns. We kayaked around a river. We stayed in all this stuff. I'm like I never was more than four hours away from home. Just just a matter of like going to do it deciding. I'm going to do this so I've always loved doing so much stuff and always industry. That thing that intrigues me. So much you so you can does your opportunity to be all the things that I never was never smart enough to be like an astronaut. Or maybe I WANNA be a cowboy or live in a post positive the world so take the idea to like because I think I would really thrive. I almost wish from things like Zombie Apocalypse. Sometimes just is waiting hippie. Let your new baby. That is my new. Eating Kirk can destroy but I always thought that must be so interesting as an actor to be able to live these lives for portions of the year that are not based in time more reality. Meaning your reality. You're never going to be an astronaut. Astronauts could be never going to be a train robber but you were. I'd like to say you'd never be a serial killer but time to time will tell Ya ah does that change your travel all over the world and even tried sort of traveling experience experience so many different cultures and things and travel a little bit and I mean sixty two countries and I've had over a hundred jobs in over one hundred Jobson's so you get a look of changes your perspective as being an actor and do it all those different jobs change your perspective on just just people in general absolutely you know what I mean where I feel like some people think oh even movie star above because I don't really feel like they move southfield way but I do feel like back because of media. There's an untouchable field. You're a new year movies and you're on the shelves at Grocery Stores and you know what I mean like the this great life and all these things and people are mistaken to think. How hard like I see this beautiful home right? That you've created yourself. I also saw ten years ago where it wasn't nearly this nice and I know all the hard work that's put into earning the money to do it. But then the actual how much hard work you put into physically with their hands. So I think there's a mistake. Take that are misguided mistake of people thinking that because actors make a Lotta money. They don't work hard. And do you think that like I said. Do you think that this awesome being different characters makes you more empathetic person to what's going on in the world in your role in it. Maybe I think so I mean I you know I don't necessarily pretty deep. I know it is yeah. I don't I can't say that I spent a lot a lot of time thinking about what is my role in this world But I do F- yeah definitely changes your level of empathy. I mean I only see it in repose of Arena juxtaposed against other people's bulls viewpoints. That I've been around that feel uninvolved. which is in a lot of people which is a lot of people? And it's not always people's fault I would like to be honestly I would say more than half the time. It's not so yeah. I think there's a lack of exposure lack of care something. The only part is their fall does. The is the the lack of wanting to in some way. I feel about people who are really privileged. It's not your fault your privilege and your parents did well. You were awarded all these things wonderful my parents. But it's your fault if you can't tell the difference between your life and someone else who wasn't afforded can't see how those benefits absolutely absolutely act accordingly here in the land of entitlement. Yes but the on the on the the more positive side of that you know. Oh I think it it. Yeah it definitely. You're exposed to a lot of different things you're also around you know it's a a couple of hundred people to tell these stories. It's not you know the other five of us in Tom. Hanks phone but there are three hundred people around us who are all finely finely tuned artists each specific thing working very hard to tell a very specific. And it's you know what I mean by. That is is that their experiences and the stories. You hear of what they've seen in the world and done in the world where we did this film there and we you know we did this or we help the community here. We did that. You know like the collectiveness of all that is is what really opens you up. I mean people used to say to me. Don't you feel weird raising your kids on the set and I was like you kidding me. It's the hardest hundred people a couple of hundred people working sixteen hours a day. Five days. A week hustling imagine. People can't understand eighty hour workweeks forty hour work. Weeks are the norm. We're working double that. Yeah I mean I'm stomach and like a movie like Gardens Galaxy where I was on it for four months Outta town right size weight in the family. In your you go into your call time might be seven. Am and I don't get out to two am and then you get picked up it the Yeah and it just never ends hours and it's all day long and you realize it even know like you're you're maybe starve movie. I'm a stunt man. So I'm I I have my second point I'm going to do but that whole day. Those other three hundred people are running around as fast as they can absolutely solving problems and some of the most open hearted caring people and the kids were exposed to sixty seventy eighty different types of jobs. They might yet aunt from like Trish Christians to medics to you name it. That job is on a film set. It's it's crazy people when people that's always my argument and people like Oh. I'm going to download this movie or steal it or whatever because I buy I look the other day on itunes and have seven hundred and some movies of buck. Oh and that's a lot young at it's like I think everyone's like why don't you just rent it and I'm like well I just feel like that's my appreciation. That's what I can get back right like because there are so many so many people work in that movie. You know when people like download it or whatever you're like stealing from ski all rich sure Stealing from every single person who worked in that movie who is just trying to put food on the table. Yeah people don't realize how big like an Oscar winning movie we know you got all these. These actors made it that way now it is such a collective it is. It really is crazy. Yeah Iran to a guy on the street straight years ago now who he was like he came up to me and he was like I couldn't believe they cut all those scenes and as good as it gets and I was like how'd you know about that he goes. I was an electric in the rafters above the stage. Like you know I was watching it all so good like once you know and you're like that that's cool his wild. It's really cool. It's like you never knew you'd never meet them now. I never saw never even knew he was up there. Flout rigors like all all the different you know it's it's just a it's but anyway the point is like yeah I mean you ultimately I think if you're open hearted somewhat like it's it's impossible not to start to see different perspectives of the world. You know quite honestly like we don't look so good around the world. Oh don't look so good we don't look good. I mean we haven't for a long long time. Someone tells me and this is not unpatriotic because I know there's a group people that feels like until we're the greatest country in the world. I'm like go by a long shot. If we're exactly or just look with other countries are are just being told that like I just there are so many wonderful things and people and places in this world. They're doing things so much smarter than kinder under and I mean even if you look at like simple actually thinking about the children on Yes if you even look at simple things like the ingredients in a gatorade or a snickers and you hold them up one one from let's say Sweden one from America is half the ingredients and ours all the other half. That are terrible for you. It's a AH poisoning our population passing. You know what two hundred fortieth in healthcare around the world you know hundred something. The only they were killing it out as people in prison killing into that and an making the rich richer. Yeah Nice House by the way Nice. Yeah so yeah. We're done no no great parting wisdom. There's nobody partying wisdom other than just telling Betty America's not great. Ah But thank you as a friend I say thanks coming on today and thank you. Because they're like I said over the last couple years the last five years. I've learned so much from you. Other than that one thing. He told me about acting but most importantly as a father and seeing the things that I- mistakes I'd want they didn't WanNa make meaning how much how much you took me made being a father the priority over your work or basically two the different route on your career to be able to have those important years with your kids and I just want to say thanks in all honesty. It's made all the difference. Man I really appreciate it and thank thank you for noticing first of all because not everybody really sees it and grasps it but I see you as a parent I know you're doing the same triton. I see I see how much you're exposing Luna too and it's beautiful that's all we can do happy. No jobs exposed to as many things as you can make decisions on. Yeah where service is joy. You know I mean it's it was my my goal to make them never feel unwanted a moment in their life and And I I know joy like I mean I see that I see that your kids I see it in yours so but hey thanks a lot and cook thanks thanks man. That's all right so let's ratty additive.

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How To Keep Your Marriage From Sucking Part 1

Maybe It's You

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How To Keep Your Marriage From Sucking Part 1

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I don't remember that being broadening of our meetings, the double shot. Hot. I, I don't know if I would. I don't know if I descend on the wwl days. I think it's already trademarked is. Well, good. I think we can have it take that back because I don't wanna be. I wanna be sued for trademark infringement. No, we're not gonna be the double shot of hot or Google food who for Friday, which I think is also the two thousand foo fighters. I think that's already been registered, so we're not gonna take that either. You wanted to know those are both band rock bands. Rock bands I was on. I was on a. I was on a podcast this morning with Dave homes, and it's a game show, and you play with some folks over in the UK and the like. Like a phone line like their chiming in Skype. I'm thinking competing against them in their time zone. And it's sort of a silly kind of made up game show. It's really fun. Say you're on coffee and they're on scotch. That's right. That's exactly right. And the both girls were born in ninety four. I'm like day year, both as old as Kirk obeying his dead, that is how old you are and they didn't. They didn't know what Mad Max was, and they not and you go. But I've realized that you do start to surround yourself with the people who will echo chamber at least some of your past. But if you go into the real world, people are like, I just think you seem nice. I don't know what that is. Yeah, we've had a lot where we'll, we'll make a reference that we think is so prevalent because it was such a huge. Thing because like I have no idea what that is even hugest into the first of our series of books that sometimes people are like. That's a movie, right? Yes, yeah. Yeah, that's that's fine wrong as it's still there, but it wasn't Bob's burgers. The other night. As a joke on the side of a van. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. Yeah. I, I think that's one that will live forever. It will be in the pantheon of sayings and expressions and references forever and ever well done, Greg. Yes. Well, done, yeah. On my on my gravestone. It will say, he's just not that India, but it'll be pointing up at God. And I'll be dead. I hope you actually below. I mean, have you throw my ashes? And I mean, just out not not even anywhere passing, just throw them out, but so maybe you may still here. Gravestone. Wanna learn round. Where am I put a gravestone somewhere. Fun. Yeah, you know it was just somewhere fun. Where people very dogs and their parents and stuff, something like that someplace I there are there parrot cemeteries. I mean it's be worth buried. I mean, Jack Lemmon has the greatest one that has old actor Jack Lemmon, Jack Lemmon in and then. And then been Radha ground here. He is. That's funny. And I Dan, Jack Lemmon and I was at a bookstore is when I tell you one more thing was that bookstore this week, and they had one copy of each of our books there when one each meaning either the are Bader that's all they ordered. It's always hard to tell is what each you don't know what the story was signed him. I leave an Easter. I didn't. I just stacked them. This stack them put them out of the gram of legs. Surprise left you. A note in the books come find him. You're great at marketing. Why don't why don't do more stuff like that for our book as I have so much work to do and also children and life, and I don't have five extra minutes. Well, we need them as we won't be five extra minutes. So here's my revelation, but this book and keep your ass from sucking the keys to keep your wedlock right out of deadlock, what's your evolution is that in a lot of our books where a dressing a problem as it is happening, this book about problems that might happen. And so there is no one, two, three punch like he's just not that into you get out of it. It is. It is a till the soil of your relationship before you go forward to replant the seeds and, but it. But preventative reading the book. It puts good thoughts in your head, and it reminds you that there are things to talk about and things to look towards. It's it's not a bummer is trying to get you to. Think, hey, I have to have this conversation. And here here are the ways that we're only saying this not because we know better, but because we've been here, you just don't know what it is you're in when you're in it, it's different than you thought it would be. And if you ask yourself some of the questions we've talked about in the book, and if you look at some of the behaviors and some of the things and and realize that you just if you're awake for that, I think it will help you just just if you read it once bright it is it's that maybe think of, it's like if you if you had to, if you had to, if you're in survivor or the amazing race or something like that, and you had to do a challenge where you have to cross a particularly tricky something or another, and there's obstacles or dangers along the way. This book is like someone going, okay, three paces up on the right. There's rattlesnakes, right? So right. No, that know that as you're heading towards the rattlesnakes and then veer left, there's a log. There's a log you can cut across the creek on because the other, the other logs aren't long enough to get around and you're gonna get dunked. It literally is like the cheat sheet of preparation of like, hey, we've run the course. We lost. Lost the million dollars on survivor. Didn't make it to the end because of all these traps and obstacles that you don't know because you haven't been there yet, and it's it's all about mindfulness awareness, preventative measures, and and realizing that all of these things add up and become bigger obstacles. If you don't, if you don't, if you don't get them right. The first few times they just become like more amplified obstacles for you to trip over and hurt yourself and each other on and be angry about in frustrated with. And so it's like that. It's kind of like, you know, when you get when you look at the cheat sheet for how to. You know, do Super Mario or fortnight where you have to learn, you'll learn tells you. Someone tells you where the keys are how to how to build the thing or whatever it's information that's actually useful in the three legged race of long-term relationships where the two of you are tethered together and having to work together in a way that can either be really shitty where one of you is domineering and frustrated with the other person, they're dragging along or it can be like a lead now you lied and now we're seeing, you know, I'm dragging you away. You go, right? That's not the ways that's not the way you've gone. I mean, there is a there is a real. I think that they're couple the couple of key things that will bring up as we go through this. But one of the things that's really important members that just because the other person doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that you're not right about how you feel a perceived the world and. And it is for that person to then either be okay with it or choose to not be okay with it and then you having to figure out how that works, but but there is no one person who who runs the whole show. I think sometimes some person, some people get stuck with the feeling. Oh, I am doing all the thinking. I am doing all that right around the using my brain or my hands or my effort. Yeah, right, right, right. But it's funny that you said that they might ever in my mind. I'm like to me, it's like CPR where I didn't really pay that much attention by. Got the basics, like get push it out of your mouth till your head back a little bit. Breeze and then push slowly five times. You know, you know, I, I'm sure that was the course takes much longer than that. So I know there was more than that, but you got the gist. I got the gist jazz. Yeah, and that's why you want to do. It's keep that thing alive. There's in a. From second in our in our in our engagement chapter, we have a quiz and then we talk with there's questions about finances spending. Religion, families, friends, careers, long-term goals, daily life in when I look at it, the reason it's so thorough is because we did none of these. Well, the and that's about a. Really the idea of merging your lives about here. We're here here here. We're about to set up. I mean, I suppose like the church of you. These are the things that are going to build up the the idea of what our marriages and the things that are important to the two of us and their shared. This one reality kit. This I would describe my spending habits as a impulsive. I can't leave the checkout line without getting sucked into a pack of gum, and if I really love something, I get it in two colors. I live on the edge of my finances. Be cautious. I'm good at stretching a dollar and saving one. I live below my finances c.. House. Reasonable. I spend money on quality, not quantity, and live wealth in my finances again. Nope, d. out of control. And I want to change last week about a monkey. I mean, we're kind of a little bit of all of those. I mean, except for the except for, yeah, but here's, here's. Oh yeah. The person who says this is the first one that made me laugh because I obviously I haven't. I haven't read this since we wrote it. I thank our when we went back through it and the rewrite, but it was like the money I make is considered a our money because we too are one and I want to share everything with you be my money. Keep your grubby paws off it. You bake free letter, get your j. o. b. c. I suppose it's our money since we're going to be married, but I might not want to put all of it in a joint account because I'm not all that confident. You know how to live within a budget. Maybe I'll have a seven count on the side and just put a portion of my money. I mean our money in that account each month. So if you totally blow it, I will completely van or d I make money. I make money. Oh my God. I make money. Oh, but this is. I mean, look, these are the things that destroy people and the fear that you have around around money is very real. And not sexy and not. You know that that's one of the things I think that really. Well, here's here's one that that comes up. I think that that it's, you know, obviously those family ones and and stuff like that, but careers. We both have careers that are equally important while that's how you start, isn't it? Be? Whoever makes the most money is the priority career, and there it is. That's how it works out. See, I never said I wanted to be a stay at home. Mom, d, your band is a hobby, get his job. That feels very. He knew this was my life when he married me. So don't act surprise. Now that's the classic call. That's the classic in the middle of new in the middle of the beginning. She wants to get the kids out of a job when he met me. Why is life so hard? Why was it copper earlier? Yeah, and I was paid less. I bet because that would be the beginning of my life. Yeah. But I think you know, the funny thing is when you marry people and you love them and you trust them and you trust yourself, you think we'll get through it no matter what it is it's going to be okay, and then you like good Christ. This is what it is being married to a comedian. This is a nightmare. Or any kind of creative or. I don't know. I mean, there's lots of different scenarios and people's approach to their work because. You know a, nobody knows what especially now when when the markets are also volatile, what people do change some days day to day and what used to be a thing that you should go for in school is intimate? Well, these amazing is there's, you know, when you think of the boy money into green jobs because we were, we didn't learn how to code well. Well. But is that thing of the jobs that that our kids are going to have ten years or now don't exist yet. That's how fast everything is changing. Yeah, yeah. Neither neither do the helmets and have to wear. Yup. And the gills are going to have to grow. Yeah, yes. Yeah. How about this one. The truth about me is that I like porn a more than you know, be more than anyone you've ever met. See not at all d- occasionally when paired with the right wine. And I don't think I know anyone who goes at it that way less than I like extensive dental surgery. Right. These are all these are all good, good quizzes to have with your with your person, but here's a, but let me let me speak to this for a minute. I think that Greg preach well because of everything that's happened in the last two or three years. And all of this me too stuff there there. There has been a lot of conversation about a general lack of a robust conversation about sex sexuality sexuality as pertains to people's, you know, different predilections or you know, like we just don't talk about it. We don't talk about it. We fun of it. We do or we make it clinical and we don't have an open conversation. And to be honest, if not for the gay lesbian and trans, we'd have no conversations. Thankfully people are having to look at everything now because they're being confronted with people who. Well, you know the things exist most when something is when something is considered dirty or bad one perverse, then it's pushed off to the margins, and then it explodes out there with people who are embarrassed and shamed into isolation, and then they, they end up in that world. And so they have an unhealthy relationship with it because it's bad it, they're, they're not told they're okay. Yes, no, the the poor, the porn thing and how it's affecting the sexual waking and education of young people is super liming. In fact, I went to a lecture two nights ago that was about healthy sexuality, trying to foster healthy sexuality in teenagers. And there is this woman who's written many, many books, and she has researched extensively and stuff like that, and it was the most depressing. It was the most depressing thing, and it also isn't hasn't even really changed from when I was young, which is while while. In. Males look at, there's their sexual experiences. If I had a good time, I had a good time. Whereas females look at their experiences as if they had a good time, then I had a good time and the baseline is so low of like the thing that they're hoping for most is that it's not going to be painful or. Degrading or gross. They're not. There's no point at which they expect it to be pleasurable or to get any sort of satisfaction out of it. The the line of is so low and I'm like, yeah, that's how it was. We when we were young too, because no black, because pope hope it's not before show. There wasn't there was no education for how you how you talk to young people about what is meant to be in the talking. What do you mean? Well, look, we, we're raising girls. So how do how do. True in mighty. I mean, I certainly it isn't going to be me how do they get an education on what. Sexuality books to buy and read, which I will. No, but it's going back into the porn thing. It is that thing of, you know. So so many of the sexual relationships that are happening with young adults and even not so young adults, it is. It is. The the level of female satisfaction or pleasure is not even in in the conversation or the relationship and and it's not something that they expect or or are thinking of before they think of doing what it is that that person wants or making them happy. So who looks really. And and most of us who had a a a conversation about how to treat a woman on a date and manners, and then you have a right to if you're having intercourse. Clear. Next thing you know, is it intercourse? Is that thing that happens on night when you were asleep at thirteen that you can do that will happen with a lady? That's all you know, right? So you are now that's not anymore. So you are now. Now you can Google search anything, and there's there's a, they're getting a lot of information, but they're getting it scattershot. They're getting random. They're getting it based on whims. Nobody's walking them through it like the even the fact that we marginalize porn stars as people when in some ways, what they do is provide a service if everything was above board and everyone look, there's adult films and this kinds of adult films, and this is what a fetish is. And these are why fetishism like this. And and at everybody has sexual ideas. And sometimes they're going to be weird and they're gonna come from a place, but don't shame somebody for the thing because we've forced these things to happen because of a willful, a lack of discussion. They not wanting. Inning take gross or it's weird all these things happen from a willful lack of discussion. I think I think it exploded because the internet became available known because it is if it weren't for the internet, porn would not be the most consumed product on your drives. Pornography has driven every industry in which it has appeared. It drove books a miniature video videotape, and then it drove digital and then it became the internet. It just is a desire to see and understand and if we don't, if we if we make that a shameful shame based. Outcome as opposed to, hey, hey, hey, where are the gatekeepers for this stuff? Power, we explaining to our people, how are we having a conversation about what sex is so that people aren't out there going? I guess this is my life. Do I like this? I don't know what this is. I mean and randomly not knowing what it means because not everybody's in or not. Everybody understands it, so we're not educating anybody, so we get what we get if we don't curated or take care of it because the idea that the self knows what to do is that depends on parenting, I suppose, and and sort of chemical makeup, but at least an awful lot to chance. Well, it certainly does in the consumption of pornography and the the expectations that it creates for what's considered good sex or sex to begin with is is certainly. Really alarming when you're raising children. But I also think that there's there's aspects of it in in long term relationships that are the, you know, it's. Generally probably more problematic than not. I've been it's not as problematic as you think. I don't think anybody's ever had the discussion about what it is and how it fits into a man's life or how it fits into a woman's life. My think there are. I think that we've not ever sat down and had a giant forum about how everybody feels in why this happens and why or why, why a person does something. How would that? I mean, first of all, because because you're, you're looking at, there's millions of people in the country. There's porn on every phone or device available and. On every phone. Music's available on everything. Yeah, certainly music, but music isn't. Music isn't fostering and a healthy sexual experiences as much as pornography is right, but aren't we so who curates that? I mean, it's like it's like a thin has happened that we're acting like it isn't happening. It's not a virus. People are individually curing their own experience. There's not. There's not a police, nobody's leading discussions on it and nobody's trying to normalize it or to bring it so the if it is seen and it is not just like with sexuality. Right? We're at a point now where you can be whatever you want to be. Call yourself, whatever you wanna call yourself, but that wasn't true. And that didn't happen until it finally just burst on when I don't. And now people don't care. It's literally people don't care. Somebody said to someone that guy can't run for congress. He's gay people go. It doesn't matter. That guy that woman is a, that was he was a porn star and nobody cares. It doesn't matter because because the because it's not dirty or even write, it never was, but it isn't seen that way. And I think what what the problem with it is is that sexuality becomes deviant, it becomes then the. The blame the, you know, it's the, it's the bad thing. Well, I think in the actual development of young people, it is. I think I think you know when I think I think when when you're a young person and that's, that's where you're getting the bulk of your sexual information from, because that's just reality. Yes, yes. There's nobody curated experience for all teenagers in the world, but I don't. I don't. I don't have a part in the sexual education about children. So if I had boys, there would absolutely be a conversation. There would be many conversations about it and different because I had no conversations. So I mean. Yeah, no, no. I was just I brought it up because we had in one of our things in our book we were talking about there's there's kind of conversation and I just happened to bring up. The thing has is alarming, but I, I just think it's interesting because this is a conversation. This is step this. This is something that you will. I mean, this is a bridge you will cross with your partner, right? Yes. And how you feel about it is important and how they feel about it is important and there should be there should be no shame in being able to bring it up. Right. Anything with your partner? Yeah, you know. No, it doesn't mean that you have to agree or a or like everything that they liked, but sure it has to be a safe space for those conversations save space because I do think a lot of people run into issues when they, you know, I certainly have gotten a lot of, you know, feedback and, and you know, letters over the years or had conversations women that were just like, why assume what do you watch porn? But then when I found out how much porn or what kind of porn it. Changed things or it made them feel icky or different, or you know, it just is that thing of c. b because like you know, like you were saying. About it, but you know people having the idea that it makes it dirty or whatever like there is there is a level of porn where it is deviant and it is dirty, and it is weird for somebody that is in a monogamous relationship to go, oh, that's what my person is watching. That's the it can get very violent. It can get very degrading. It can get very, very edgy and to, you know, to ha- to be in a relationship with somebody that is participating in porn, maybe at a higher degree than their partner understand or isn't able to separate the idea of like, oh, that's just entertainment. Minton fancy and his com- compartmentalized versus you know it meaning more. That's that's not an easy balance or thing to reconcile necessarily because it's a hot topic. It's a hot button. With people, bright, bright, but it deserves. It deserves a before you deserve discussion. I, we covered it. That's why we covered it in this book because it is that thing like people don't have those hard conversations that they that they need to have before you make an assumption about what somebody likes her doesn't like it is important to say, look, let's go sit. This is worrisome, not cool for me, but I wonder I talk it out because. Then you, it's different than what I know or maybe there's maybe there's something we can. Maybe there's something in it in which we can discover something. Right, right, for sure. And those are the those are the hard conversations they are. The hard conversations are the ones that people the void, and then they come back and it becomes a money's almost Carter. Money's almost harder. Yes. Families friends? Yeah, those all of those things for sure. You know, it's funny because. There's things you just don't even think about and you don't talk about and then you get into you get into a relationship or you build a house together or home together in a life together. And you know, you might start thinking about at the beginning and there might be dual participation and thoughtfulness and it. And then one of you just takes the lead or one of you gets busy and the other one has to do it, and then it just is all that stuff where you go, you know, we don't match on our sleep anymore. I feel like you know, only one of us thinks about meals or how the happens like there are things that happen in in, you know, when there's not cleared, divided agreed positions and jobs within the relationship or when things change it just, you know, like even if you have kids, you know and there's like the big upheaval of now. I don't care if you want my time. I have to sleep. I'm exhausted. I on this is one is happening. That's when that child is sleeping. I am going to sleep. Turn off lights up talking to me. Much better. By that this year, there. What's my taking sixteen years, but it is that thing like things things changed and they affect the relationship and they affect the way people feel in the relationship and how her Mony is it is and they're just as not the understanding of like, oh, it's all up for renegotiation all for discussion, and it's all got to completely evolve just because it was settled at the beginning or it seemed effortless at the beginning doesn't mean it stays feeling that way, right. You know what was agreed upon at one point when your life was simpler or was in the state of chaos, even when you evolve past that place? You know there is a there is a kind of rejigging that needs to happen and often it doesn't happen, and then there's a resentments, and then there's someone feels taken for granted or they feel invisible or not considered shifts in those dynamics. Take time, you know, when and I noticed that, you know, there are times where I feel like a man, you're so much farther ahead of. The game, a made it less. But if I couple of days go by and I don't get fed couple days ago by my my laundry or whatever it is eventually go, I got to start on my laundry pickup mine and it takes a while to like, but it has to be done. I think you know, all of this stuff can be worked out, but if you. But it's hard to make the it's hard to, you know, this conversation is usually have happened to the breaking point. You know, when someone's at a breaking point and they're like. Happens is. The thing that happens as people feel like they can't change their mind or open up a discussion if they were okay with something before. And so instead of going, you know, hey, I know I was cool with you being gone for seven hours every Saturday to play golf with your friends or to go to your mom's too. You know. Bake for, you know, the church or whatever. Like if you like, you can agree to something that is like, oh, that's their thing that they do, and they love it done. And then once you're in a life together and you're like, yeah, no, I'd like us have Saturdays together, but if you, if you're okay with it before you feel like like a liar. Yeah, you know, you feel like, well, I don't have. I can't. Why should I be okay with anymore? I was okay with it. They're right. I was okay with it. I or I pretended to be okay with it. Or I, you know, smiled through the tears and let it happen. It is that people feel like if they whatever has been negotiated, the beginning, they don't get to renegotiate or they don't get to change their mind and and the truth of the matter is it's also you know you that something that you have to find yourself, the ability to go. I'm allowed to ask for what I would like. Even if I don't get it. It's a conversation I deserve to be given, but you also don't have to make. I also think there's like I'm okay with it today. I don't know what I'm going to be feeling next hour the next day because they never do, and we know and to try and look at the look at the thing based on what's happening in the moment because one of the biggest things that you will do is go back and you've got all this evidence and all this stuff, and it all is over. It's over. It happened. It's over. Byu may have some. You may have a point, but if the person's is I never do that and you're like, I've got a few runs. The point is. The point is still mad about. Every time. Right. But the point is right now you're listening. Right, right. Yeah. And I want to move forward with you and I, and so I prefer for it to be different going forward and but but that stuff, men, we get stuck in the I do. I'm terrible at it. And I have all this past. Anytime an injustice has been a a visited upon me. I guarantee you it was not an injustice guarantee. I don't want to be righted. I don't have enough. I don't have enough strengthening more type to go back and and I'm and I'm certain with with the right amount of looking at it in the proper way of living, and I can pretty much find out that I had a little bit to do with that. Maybe myself, which is a relief, you know, because. Against you. That's right, right. I'm not that interesting for the world would have to be reminded who I was for them to be against me. Are we talking about again? But I do think that that those and I tell you, all right. I'm gonna make a big confession to you today, but I was able to. A lot of times you want your partner to be like you. You want everyone to be like here. That's why we are who we are. That's what control issues are. It's like, how do they not fucking know that I'm going to be driving? I need to be driving faster now because this is not the speed I need to be going to podcast. I'm going to podcast, you're driving twenty-five. Clearly you don't understand how to drive. We all assume that everyone's on our clock and. And we want so badly to have this thing that thinks like we do. And yet I met a couple recently where they are both like each other and it is a nightmare. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. And tonight I see. I never have seen it saw perfect example of it and they're lovely people, and they're not anyone when we know, but they're just a couple, I know, and I just went, fuck I get it. Gotta get it. I get. I get. I get it. We don't need to Greg's. We barely need one. I got, I got it. I'm asking too hard. I'm my version of what that is is not this. I don't want, and I would hate it. I would hate. I don't lie. And because if I'm really being honest, they were like to me's married. And I really started to think about, you know. What my where my conditions came for from for everybody. Why are one of these conditions I have for people. I've been pretty good at letting them go for the kids like I used to have a sort of pre handed down set from my parents that I people should do this, and they should do that. And then I went and that's not gonna work, and I feel like I can be pretty controlled like I expected them to be tried to do that. Then I've been very lucky because I again, because they are girls, I have the luxury of being of the sit back in a different place and say, we'll, I'll look from this angle and you will. You'll have those issues. Certainly the things that you expect from them are good things that would be good for them. As I waited for true this morning, realizing, oh man, I'm not going to get it this time, but also choosing to remember. I invited her here to this planet with my seed and that I gave to you and we brought her into the world and she's a guest, and she's a guest in my house and I invited her. So I have to be super nice to her because she wasn't a thing until I brought her here. So she is kind of right if she's mad at me because I invited her to this hell hole of fucking life. Boys at port and all the rest of this who she's turned out to be. We have been so fucking lucky. That's the other thing so, but I have realized they like I really need to. Let go of all of it. You have to constantly let go of shit so that you can be present for the person that you're with and then is now well waves. Now that's a lovely picture of you and I somewhere the other day and I decide how we look really like, I forget that we're like that. You know, I forget that we can be super happy. It's not. It's not a hellish misery, train all the time. Yeah. No, I think I think you'd get trapped in the hellish misery trade where I'm always like. All right. See you later. Like I, I'm more like a things off. I don't take anything in too much. All right. I wanted my next thing and you still can. The best you can do the best with your trying to be sweet. Yeah. Grabbed my wrist and mellow last night for the first time in years, and I was like, oh my God, it's happening. She. No, no, you wouldn't even sleep in. He was and I was like, oh, that's awesome. I don't even know how great that I was like, I literally will myself back awake so I could enjoy it. I literally was like case. Before I literally do not want to be touched when I'm sleeping. I don't want even when the dog even when the dog is. Like l. I like my half and like when we went to bed time, lights off and sh and don't touch my who are those rules? Were they used to be a little bit looser. They usually loser sleep. Sleepless as precious as it is after you have kids in you, sleep is the most valuable commodity more so than gold and you're like, nothing gets way. Nothing gets in my sleep. I can. We manifest gold place. I'd rather, I mean, if you have gone golden sleep more more. I would like more go. Yeah, that's true. But I, I think we those little things like when we used to go to because we didn't like to do that. We would put our leg like one leg over the other one right one, I know, but. But it was. It was the doing it. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing here. Yeah, we get bad. He'd put your foot over my foot. We'd lately we knew it was going to end, but we didn't act like even was going to end. We didn't it away like we had this. We have this painting that I always it used to be in our bedroom, and now it's but it's a painting. It's from its this. This one artist did every painting in the band sunny day real estate's first album, which of my favorite albums ever and. And it's Fisher Price people. And I bought this painting from there was on the back cover of the album, and it's these two Fisher Price people in bed at night. And like there's like a little bit of moonlight coming through the window, but they are because they're round Fisher. Price people there rolled out outwards is supposed to inwards to each other as the bad. And I was like, yes, the dream on smiles coming through, but then late between them. It's just like marriage, Jeff. It just death. That's how I like it. Darkened all you on your side here. Like that's the saddest pain. I'm like, are you kidding? Awful. That is. Eleven. It's the most unremitting. Hitter our bed. It was like, why don't we just put more is head in the bed as well. Throw. It had throw a hat on there too. So. So the Matt Dillon KOMO Rego is it hat on the bed? Let's say drugstore cowboy reference. You were able to get that one in there. Drugstore cowboy star Catholic. Every time I put have no hassle. Sam, what that is. That is the craziest. That's my only I don't have that many superstitions, but that one I have, but that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I take Matt Dillon versus young. Matt Dillon was important to me. I used to see Matt done a lot one. Other to New York at rock shows. He would always be the dinosaur, junior, fractious cooler. Sure. Came into a lot of. I remember there's a lot of show you where some in a lot of rock shows in New York, and he was always handsome that didn't that didn't fade. No, no, no, no. No, let's see. I was thinking it might be funny to resolve. We talked about taking a break. Sure. We're gonna come back in a minute. Yeah. And we're back, we're back. We're back. Hi Michio. I was talking to somebody the other day about weddings, and I said, if you're a guy or if you're the asker Mosa say that if you've asked. And you expect to be a part of it. Speak up early because all it is is a Princess party for an older woman. That's all it is. It's all a wedding is gigantic Princess party for the other person, it is not about. You can bring a few friends, please dress nice. Invites them your family stand on the other side. That's what it is. It is a and it has been forever. So that's what the, you know, there's lots of different ways of doing it and then you should talk about before you even ask someone to marry you. You should find out how they want that thing to go down because it is as I have found out, it can be very hard. It can be very hard way and it it is sort of a way of stepping out in the world and going. This is how we are stepping out together. I thought we did a pretty nice job of it actually giving the proposal, I gave you the wedding, turn surprise wedding. We did. We had a good win party and then and then it'll probably ran upstairs and we changed into wedding clothes and we came down, we got married, it was very us. Yes, it was very, it wasn't a hoopla, but we looked awesome. And, and we had a great cake. Guilty because I know you wanted a wedding, an actual wedding wedding, and I did not. You wanted to wedding ring. So there we go. Even the actual reading. I just I just opened as the book to page one eighteen. There was always the same. Okay. What happened? And it says right now the worst wedding. First runner up this, this, this is one of my. So all of these, all of these best and worst weddings in proposals and stuff that are in this book are all through their true that people we know we've changed their names to protect the innocent, but this one. Always makes me. Makes me laugh. 'cause I guess it just breaks my heart every time. Okay. Nego FIA not their real names met at a winery in Napa and fell in love with each other over Pino and later in love over as infantile. They follow wine and food the way others follow a favorite sports franchise or the stock market food wine in the pairing of food and wine are literally literally people as it that way. Literally their thing. Literally wreck, literally, Christine, literally the best. They're great at it. And if you ever get invited to their home for dinner party, dear self a favor and go Nico via decide to have their wedding at the winery they met at and chose a nearby locally renowned street food restaurant that specializes in bringing the food sold by street vendors in various different countries to the table for their rehearsal dinner. It should be mentioned that Nico FIA are truly adventurous culinary people, their family and friends less so, but game. They were game nonetheless. So Nickens Ed curated, a tremendous dining experience of their favorite, but totally unusual dishes for the rehearsal dinner. But as it turned out the lamb, belly bow was undercooked and half the human beings that were meant to be standing at the front of the wedding ceremony could barely get up right? The stomach cramps. Vomiting explosions were unrelenting. Well, Nico and Sophia manage to sweat through the ceremony without coming on. The parents of the groom to bridesmaids agreement and three aunts and uncles had to bail out mid ceremony to seek refuge in the bathrooms. Never have you seen a gray or pallor on the bride and groom. In fact, if you look at the wedding video, you can see that Nico and Sophia both the like they're struggling to keep from soiling their wedding clothes. While the other guests enjoy the reception. Sophia, Nico were laying on the floor of the bathroom with cold compresses on their four for heads holding hands. Oh. Nice, so great on your wedding day. Oh, my God. That is how come alas, Mars at dinner is talking about that. Holy shit, any that is shit city about any. That's momber that can happen the, you know, the beautiful thing about that. That is. For better or worse? Where'd you? We know we're doing it. The state to say the word they threw Mary us already. Well, I mean, look, they've got something that they've, I mean to be to be honest in a weird way. You know the day after the wedding is kind of a letdown just and and then you realize, oh, now it's the rest of our lives. But after you go to shit city that the then the next as he started, it gets better. It can only go up from there. Get it can only go up. Yeah. They were able to to to clench their teeth and get thrill that I wanna bummer man. Yeah. The worst. Here's the thing who puts lamb in the mix before the wedding who puts lamb in the mix. Don't want in this in this day and age where there's. Money, there's so there's so much exposure to what the culinary world has to offer because of net flicks and chopped and cutthroat kitchen and all of those all those hugely tremendous cooking shows and chefs are becoming Spiga stars and that kind of stuff. All of a sudden people are like, ga- it's our wedding. Let's raise the bar and make it serves them. Yeah, serves as right. Yes. What you get for eating death. It's called carmont. That's right. That's what murder like happy. Yes, happy winning. Exactly. Yeah, happy. We're seeing Heather right to the bathroom. You animal right? That's right. Oh, yeah, where people? Yeah, poor people. I've a letter. Okay. And I thought it was really kind of interesting that today because we're going to be thank God. It's interesting because we're broadcasting. Interesting because we're talking about are kind of getting married from sucking which is preventative measures guide. All right. So maybe it's you this week, it's it's Kristen, maybe it's Kristen, so she writes to us. Hi, Greg, Amira. First off, I love the podcast. The to view have helped me learn and grow and helped be helped me see myself my partner in our relationship in a new light. So thank you. Well, you're welcome, Kristen, and thank you. Here's the long and short of it two and a half years ago. I was on vacation in New York. I'm from California, and I decided to get on Tinder to see what east coast boys look like. I thought maybe I'll get a free meal in a movie out of it. What can hurt fast forward two and a half years. And I'm in a long distance committed relationship with my east coast guy. He is wonderful and we love each other. And although the long distance has been incredibly hard in a weird way, it has helped create a rock solid foundation based on communication because talking is literally all we have. Needless to say, our communication skills are off the chart in the beginning. We couldn't get. Kept up in LeicesteR infatuation or ignore red flags. We couldn't fall into any of the standard pitfalls of a new relationship because we aren't in the same time zone. Everything we do is effort evaluation in choice. We are definitely two independent people coming together because we want to. Sometimes I look back and think about all the times we could have just walked away from the relationship. I think about all the extra efforts we made to keep it going for daily three years. We have both chosen each other over and over again. I wish we were closer to and some days I would give anything to be to just be able to hold his hand. Here's what I would like advice on. He's moving to California. I have nine months until he comes out here. We're waiting for his lease to end. He chose to move out of here because he wanted to support my career. He has his own career, but he recognized how much I love my job even though I could find work anywhere and he didn't wanna take that away from me. He supports me back to the advice. What do I do? I love him. I know him so well, but I don't know what day. Day-today life will look like. We've decided not to move together right away. We don't wanna feel rushed or pressured, but how can we not his moving his entire life to be with me and we don't know each other in the day to day sense every time we see each other one of us is taking off work, and we were planning things and having adventures our entire in-person relationship has always been vacation mode. We talk about our problems on the phone, but I don't know what it looks like after a long day of work or when he's cranky in the morning or how he acts when he's sick, I don't even know if his what is facial expressions look like when we have an argument. Sure. We have disagreements through the years, but never in person. You're not going to like them. No matter what they are are saving grace might be that we're so good at communicating, but I'm still terrified and over the moon about him. Moving here one, they usually knows. We are both in our thirties. I think this might add another complicated element as living near each other because we're older and established in our lives in routine adjusting and making room for each other might not be as easy when. As when we were in our twenties. First of all, I love this letter. I love. I love how much effort and thought in the choice that they make to keep it this long. That's that's so mature that that also is the thing while you're really authentically getting to know this person. And while I certainly understand her fears of what if what, if the day today isn't like the, you know, the fantasy of every time we're together, it's adventures and meal. The sort of day to day life could put it Muendane sort of layer onto this magical thing. They've been having. Most people don't give themselves enough time to actually think about it. I mean, even if they like, well, we've thought about it before we did it, but then you know, you would probably spending a lotta time together anyway. I mean, pretty quickly. I, I look, here's the the thing. You know, if you guys stay together, you've got so much time left that this apartment different place thing is a smart move. It sound overly cars, but I think him. The second. He gets his last box in the house. You both stand there and go, and he's like, oh, did I make a mistake? Or I got to make sure that I'm entertaining. I hope I'm fun to be rind and you're going to want to be fun to be around. I think I think surprise surprise that they're getting to places that he's getting his own place and not moving. And I think that's really smart. I was I look at his face fighting and Secondly, you don't look at. You will stop look in each other's faces after a while. Tell you really little taste. You'll you'll, you'll know more about the ground where your pillows or whatever it happens to be here by. I mean, I don't know that I haven't even advice. I feel like what they're doing is. Here's a, here's what I would say. It's it's very mature. I think they're being very smart and cautious, and I liked that they are putting another step into to make sure they're, you know, to make sure it works in the same time zone and being a part of everyday life with each other because that is a very different thing than you know, I get to see you for four days every other month or whatever it is that being said. Now that you're both in your thirties and certainly somewhat set in your ways. Like what I would say to that is lighten up Francis because that's that's stuff is unimportant. At the end of the day, the bonus that you're getting out of getting to share your life with somebody should be be, should be more valuable are worth more than you like this done that way, because that's how I've always done it. You know, there is a thing of like you have to learn how to let go of the things that seem like they might define you, but they don't define you. Yeah, you're relationships divine. You who you love and who loves you define you. It's not where you're throw pillows are or what time you like to take your vitamins or you wanna watch the news or whatever it is. Although stuff of like, that's just you're not going to go. I wish I had held firm to that peccadillo that I had and you know not had this relationship. I know it is an you do, and I, that's another thing I came to the other day is like, you know, they'll be enough big things that you'll come together on that at some point, you'll obsess on the small things because you wanna have something to fight about, but. That is what makes it great relationship. There are certain things in a mirror and I never have to talk about. We live at a certain level that we both sort of. There's a there. You know, you have a bar which you won't go below. There's a bar which you Mirren I as as a couple as a family with our kids. We won't go below. We live at a limited level of self respect and dignity that is unspoken and and something I'm proud to be a part of all the time and and something that keeps me in check. Even, you know, when I'm having a tough time and that kind of stuff is what a relationship is, and you've already got that. You've already got this massive amount of respect for one another and such. Spic on days and the little stuff that you know, we're, we're gonna put this and he does this at night and blah, blah, blah, like that's just humans, men. I mean, not just the human animal is fucked, and it does dumb things every once in a while, but it's also me, no, I, it's beautiful and you if you can have even kind of what that connection is that you seem to have your, I don't know. I think you're you're in great shape and also talk about it. There's things where you can go like, you know what? I'm just weird about this and I'm sorry, and I'm trying to lighten up like own your shit acknowledge what's you? Hopefully they'll do the same and there's also you can also go, you know what? I don't like that. You hit my dog, but you need to not hit might like like, you know what I'm saying is like. No, I'm just doing. I'm just trying to say stairs. There's a difference difference between he's with his mouth open and he does something that I find really makes you question who is who yet, right and levels. But there's also way to go, you know why? I've lived on my own for ten years and I, it's gonna take me a while to my mind. I've had a turnout the space. Yeah, I've had this turnaround on the deal breaker. He like kinda shit, which is the especially the like, you know what? They, you know, they chewed their mouth open or whatever like that. It was some things you have to look at what is with you so bothered by that. What is it about? Does the is the is the house going cave in? Are you going to? Is that going to cause you to have a heart attack? Are you gonna lose everything. The person does this thing that sometimes you have to look at what you're holding onto in terms of you're feeling about what somebody does. Right? Because that's one part of their their one hole. Shape, and so there's an indent there, but there's a part on the other side that you like it's like it. And people look. Sometimes people love to hear l. man, please tell me if I've got a nose hair, I don't love him either. I just don't write write a certain things. Yeah, we blind spots. Yeah, but are we also all hold onto shit? We don't need to hold onto. We do. I find that we really do and it's really dumb and we don't open ourselves up to new things and Kaido say, I have to tell you there's been so many times in our relationship where I've gone man, I just did not like that at the beginning and now I love it. Took me a while to get my head around it or I didn't understand what it was you liked about it sometimes if to spend time with something to understand it to make it your own. But when you start setting up the nose and the. You push your personal way or just, you know if there's things that you just cannot bend on. You know. Rise up and go. I can bend on these three days a week, three days a week, and then maybe you don't come up with the other four or whatever, like negotiate a thing that is workable and respectful where both people feel heard and seen and valued in that they have an equal position. Life is negotiations. Yeah, you can say, you know what? I hate that, but I'll give it to you because I but I have to have this in return because I know you hate when I do this, but you know, and I'm sure that's my thing. I jump. I jump rope at midnight. You just have to get with the program. That's when I do it or whatever. And, but also you know what's? Right. What's wrong? What's what's between standards and dealbreakers and you also know when you're holding onto something as an excuse to get out of something bigger, right? And forever. It's just a word to you used to terrorize yourself, terrible fair forever as a terrorizing word. Abe when we try and use it like a neighbor in love forever. Nope, that's they were. They made it until till you saw them last than they turn the corner in a fight ten feet away from the story. But. Yeah, the sun went down and then they might love that. We didn't want her up my sense it. They wanted to get lost because the sun went down, either flashlight lake. Like the, there's no, and there's no better other couple, and there's no better other way. And the only reality is the one that you know and make that one a good one and don't fuck everybody else and everything else, and congratulations to you on your super mature relationship that on the phone. That's fantastic. And I and and make sure you make a really nice welcome basket for when he moves because that's the McColl that he's supporting you and your love of your job and moving his across the country. Oh, because you're worth it? Yeah. He are worth worth it. Yeah, hurry for you. Yeah, parade for you. It's funny we have in. I think it's is it the break-up book or is it the dating book that we have a thing about standards versus dealbreakers to you? Remember. I think it's, I think it is in the dating book. Although it might be in the break-up book. While I don't read a lot of them, I know. But yeah, we have a whole different. Yeah, people, people people make these dealbreakers that are not dealbreakers like there's different standards in dealbreakers. So. And your standards will we'll discuss that later creating new. Yeah, we'll talk about that Next Media. You create new standards with people, and also people teach you things about yourself that you didn't know and you change your ideas. But that's the other thing when you don't pay your partner so hard in the corner, they can't come out and be different. What your marriage to Saad because your goal is if you're upset by something you want change. 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Sarah Haider: Extremism and Liberal Values

The Thinking Atheist

46:02 min | 1 year ago

Sarah Haider: Extremism and Liberal Values

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youtuber version the links in the description box of the show the thinking atheist it's all an idea population of eight hundred children going into the room rejecting stay fairly knowledge challenging the sacred if i tell the truth is truly how because i put my hand on a broken made a wish her and working together hormone rational thinking feel so much more happiness mnuchin wisdom will come i'm not saying question every day and not thinking this is the thinking atheist how can this guy that i'm going to denver colorado colorado secular conferences coming up the weekend of july twenty seven next month is a lincoln nebraska we've got orlando coming up for the florida free thought event first weekend in november i'm gonna join matt dillon hunting different events in phoenix the weekend of november ninth if you need times dates locations all those details or at my website seth andrews dot net slash events sarah hater is cofounder of x muslims of north america she is an ex muslim herself she is one of those people who i really do admire and respect out there and they arena of ideas she just seems to be on the right side of the stuff so often in somehow manages to keep her cool i don't know how this is possible because all of these conversations are almost always so heated insane how do you keep your cool actually you know what sarah the other day i saw you almost looser cool yeah i was a witness yeah i mean i wanna hot under the collar about something what happened i mean we were at north america was this past weekend we were at at the new york right it was part of this weekend we have a this gathering of x muslim once every year we've had it for several years now we call it golfer khan and and it's a very private thing in this is the first time we were even publicly a kelly anyone that we were we were having this 'cause it's it's just unique it's exclusive to members of the organization is just a chance for x muslims to comfortably we you know find support each other there's a lot of people only know each other from online you know across across the country so there's a chance that gonna come together and we have all sorts of social gatherings throughout the weekend sometimes they last longer the math i think this time he had like six seven events throughout the weekend so it's packed for everyone did just a really just a build a community in a home in a family where they don't have it anywhere else and this year we also pride 'em which is really exciting until we were just tweeting about that sharing on on on twitter and i got seven rollover sponsor the kind i would i would i would expect people say oh why are you doing this why are you buying even feel need a terrorist organization and this is the kind of response we get all the time it's usually comes from a place of ignorance of people who don't know be dream stigma that x muslims lizanne they don't know about he writes of x muslims abroad in how dare you know we just were not considered human like everyone else there's a death penalty for being apostate in a dozen countries and then many more blasphemy criminalize in many ways so where just where second third fourth fifth class citizens were not even you know we don't have any real rights 'em in those countries and that comes across here as well in the west b r b immigrant communities do they move here but they that stigma of apostasy stay and excellence and go through all kinds of persecution abuse all sorts of things so it is shocking to me that anyone would find that you know that that are or be surprised the organization organization exists and be surprised that were finally find back against ideology that persecute so i i almost lost that i did i got i got really mad which is not really what what i do mostly highly if i had a good yeah yeah achieving comey armor irish you're pretty cool customer yeah yeah well sleep deprived and exhausted from the weekend but i also i knew i just very very recently just happened but how important this one on how much it meant a band that we were there and 'em so even if it was just this this all this coming together and yeah i am just a month if you're walking on either 'em it's interesting you said that's how you know i can't believe people were surprised an organization like ours exists which is an interesting word said i was reading an article but i think you guys have posted on twitter about the rise of the atheist in lebanon i think of all an immoral you see an underground of which is now starting to emerge i know the every nation every islamic seok receives different but you know they're making videos about their journeys and they're having published online account yeah something is changing and j in the past couple of years an accident on the north america how you we were we had the privilege but i think also the responsibility of being in a country where where relatively safe compared to compared anywhere else really and we have freedom of speech to a degree that even other western countries don't have so we we have these freedoms i think we have this responsibility we've been able to be public at open for many years the end build you know an organization and build capacity to support some of these other groups and now you're seeing a gross all over the world start out individual accidents were just doing it on their own and be idea of of being an atheist in the muslim world is just not it's no longer what it was before it was this dream phenomenon you could do nobody he understood that nobody knew anything about it but now it's so much more likely that you know and excellent 'em or you harm them and you you understood you understand this phenomena and on differently in a different way so it's kind of like we take we bought languishing the gay rights movement as we think very applicable to us but we are coming out of the closet and i just just by by knowing other x muslims and being exposed other acts muslims to compete or they're they're just standing up there finding the strength to stand up speak so now in muslim country i'm shocked all the time of these people are so incredibly great you know like i had scare in the united states some times when we haven't been something i've got all the security and make sure that nothing happens happens because it could happen even here 'em end then exceeded their people in egypt 'em you know in in in august on all over the world where mom violence is truly it's not even it's not a risk the latest profits almost inevitabilities if you're if you're open enough you're exposed it's amazing to me is happening in this this changes taking place in front of our eyes really so you talk a little bit about the mob i'm gonna make an probably an awkward segway into discourse here in almost the year twenty twenty we're seeing a lot of the mob mentality a lot of it originates on line the way people tend to sort of cordoned off in their tribes and hurl invective at each other and they really exist in a binary model us versus them in group out group you are either righteous or on righteous were seeing this in factions sion's of these atheist movements were seeing it in almost any place where you see dippers people come together have you in your own circle come to a point where you're like the comment on that i mean you're involved in these sort of fit conversations the death desa beer released the potential death of discourse in the age of the internet right up until concern about this there several years it's only this is the way in which i'm losing all right so there's nobody likes no sons on people from the muslim world were standing up and being courageous that is that is something that makes me feel so hopeful about the future of of mankind and then i'm seeing a you know nick nurse to some degree happened but also just in general collapse of a civil discourse in western society but particularly among relatively educated people you know the kind of people who go online to people meet the kind of people were active in an activist south i'm seeing a rising degree of intolerance for different opinions i mean it's very understandable given me give any effects of the internet and i'm not the best first person i talked about that but i'm sure you know stuff just they just see a non amazing factor that you're just talking to a screen and you're talking to you know user name you're not talking to a person who makes it so much easier to be cool but be on that there is this insidious this insidious a fact and i think twitter allows and facebook's allows it allows us to monitor are social environment we you know we are all they were always monitoring are social environment in order to see okay well kind of got away with saying there's gonna not gonna tina's were always we really are running that calculus in are head and and judging the scene of the waters were cool enough to be open about something but the internet is doing something where it's allowing that that a monitoring happen 'em at eight more rapid rate end on a max level you can see what you're whole the community where you're whole circle is thinking what's okay the saint went isn't okay say and what that does is increased self censorship 'em because it allows you know you know what it is okay to say what is it okay to say so the average person in self censoring in a way they weren't south on spring or maybe they could at they just didn't know what the person were thinking that no idea not enough and now they now they see which is so call you know like people who have transcribed to have walked out of whatever invisible line that now exists 'em they how they see those people punished 'em we seen we all see 'em because of the hyper connectedness are social circle so this has you know all these little things come together to create an environment where we treat each other like crap traffic between each other as it were not human rare rare koto fascists all of us and it's it's one of those things i think you know in in demoralized me it makes me feel like oh my goodness how how how are we gonna how are we gonna have any conversation if the person sitting next to you is all in enemy especially if they disagree with you then they're definitely i went to a point of civil discourse anyway the point about in conversations what's the point of persuading people you know what the point of rational national argumentation the person that you're changing already he already did i talked about persuading people one of the arguments but i resist the camps reason we found reasonable people of course you're talking to someone who is reason donovan unreasonable face a lot of us were reason donovan unreasonable position i'm a fan of d a con are you familiar with cons a documentary white right i would love the chance to talk to her about sitting down in the living living room with white supremacists face to face right 'cause they're ready for they you know the confrontation in the public square where everybody shouting and throwing things they're ready for that but when you see a person sit four feet from another human being and say you think i'm not a real person you think i deserve to be deported end to watch many of these people in their hearts begin to just you know held one guy had stopped interview i'm just like i i i just can't he just went tilt he just couldn't deal with it but if you're talking about having conversations even with the worst among us meaning those who hold the worst ideas this is on thinkable you cannot reason where i dunno nazis or whoever wants you're take sarah hater what do you think yeah i mean it's just i think any a scene i mean i dunno dining as you as a pardon me to see this attitude come in from secular people from my from the eighties community trauma skeptic commute is as you said so many of us were reasoned out of unreasonable ideas and some of the shore extremist you know i mean i i wreck regularly i work way interactive 'em excellent so sometimes pontiacs muslim sometimes exclusions who really like it and now they're they're actress and they're changing the world we used to be like insane pain like conservative i want be caliphates comeback kind of people and they were reasons out of it and given that we in communities specially we know these people we know formally fundamentals people and we've seen how how radically persuasion can change someone's mind how why would we doubt this in the case of political differences in the extremist like like the far right or even the far ken i'm ken we park there for just a second i i wanna you have dealt with people who were capable of murderous violence in the name of their face i mean when you say extremist were not just being hype about you know encountered people who were who the demise what isis epitomizes at one time in their life is that what you're saying or or supporting or supporting by isis is doing now are people x muslims who were like that who admit to being like that who are now consider themselves and they openly talk about how a couple of years ago before before they left the face and they would have advocated for the death penalty for people like us and the kind of person they are now i mean that kind of radical change can happen and i don't understand i mean what's confusing to me is just see a that kind of tendency that you just mentioned a mob of of not understanding the people of course even the most a maybe even the most fundamental as someone else out there so the most extreme violent people a can be can be convinced can be spoken to be in be persuaded 'em a into into changing it might i don't i don't understand why this is considered a my position is considering naive when we have proof we know it's happened all the time atheist especially no you know one only kroto freshest would say that sorry i've i've been rehab comments long it was just a reflex it just flies out of my mouth you took some heat after a sort of a who is a condemnation certainly a criticism of the west in regard to compulsory hit job this was an article that had been published on and on a month a month and a half or so ago and you were pretty hard on western progressives in regard to the hit job and so i'll i'll just let you sort of take that wherever you want the point of the article in response to the criticisms and in fact what were the criticisms okay anyway yeah talking about any of happened is that what you're referring to the so a lot of things recovered in droplets one of them you know before i go on at length about how i feel about john let me just say i understand that this is my i understand that sometimes things are difficult and complicated and the average person monitor sarily know what the best tactic is an i see that as being my role as a mac a sitcom into speak to people and to show them why you know maybe their approach to react to this particular aspect 'em is is not okay whereas you know problematic or something that will meet on harmful effect in the future so i see that as being my role and i understand i understand that as being part of the process however you know it it is frustrating to get the kinds of pushback that i'm getting some times when i discuss his job 'em i understand it there are some women who wear it out of choice on i put on a job myself when i was in middle school and it was quite young really autos doing a but i you know i wasn't forced nobody in my family were like my my my mom by that i mean my mom just wearing a he job and she never pushed me into wearing it or anything like that but i put it on not for a very very long but i did i did put it on an i worry you know on my own by choice you know what whenever whenever choice means in this context and i felt empowered by it and i felt like you know given my faith in him and what i believe this was the right thing to do that's what i thought i saw the choice discussion is you know let's set that aside five purchased a regardless of whether or not something is a choice a woman in choose june to chew advocating on behalf of something that ends up being quite success you know or even the laundry and and you know that i think is it has to be separated from the from the choice discussion because that is more complicated and less complicated depending on what you're talking about in the case of in the case of what the hit job means it matters that the margin considers it as part of a set of compulsory dress codes on women and on men on an you know that that aspect of the dress code is very gendered and it's gendered for reason there's a certain consideration what the female body is now leads the senate and and what he could do to destroy you know the morality of the people that don't ask me a part of the discussion we have to we can't just say that you know none of this matters is the entire historical context on what the hit job has been and still is in the majority of the world is not relevant because you know some privilege women in the in the in the west some credibly muslim women choose to where it was used or a nazi and of course of course that's not we know that there are so many countries around the world where women are forced there are many many communities where even if an are forced by the la their their strongly encourage you know force in other words by religious communities to call her and they start covering when they're eight there you know seven sometimes very very young and they're not really giving any choice it'd be any other way by their parents and we know that we know in that context matters and that's important to talk about it jimmy stat that i see it when we were talking about the you know the first job you ex you know there'll be news articles about celebrating this wonderful thing we had we after this entirely just contacts widest they exist and what it means happy enact after i was thinking too you know what i'm talking about and this is a two part question but no i my position was no no one should ever tell someone else what to wear at the same time as long as it's used as a tool by islamic theocracy used at cetera for control in dehumanization let's not put it on freaking cosmo right let's let's not say were gonna tell you what to wear but but until this is not a tool of oppression in dehumanization let's not prop it up as a celebrated simple i thought that was basic and i was surrounded by many of my fellow liberals who who thought i was trying to tell someone else what to wear or i should disqualify myself from a human rights discussion because i'm the wrong color because i'm from the west because i mail a at cetera all of these just qualifiers in place i dunno i you wanna speak to any event you know they celebration of the job yeah i mean there's there's so much that you said that i think they're just gone about for a long time but i mean i can't imagine we would treat you know the the dress code of the did the fundamentalist warming women you know they're wearing you long dresses and they're covering up their head a little bit and they have like old fashioned i don't think we celebrate that in the same way and we celebrate the job we won't understand there there's a context and even if a grown adult woman you know chooses whenever that means again i put it on a that there is there is an entire community in which she has she has been brought up and there's a set of values and norms that she has adopted partially because she was raised that way and she doesn't really know any other any other way and we understand the context that even if let's say somebody converts the fundamentalist mormonism or whatever indecisive put it on we still feel uncomfortable when that kind of extreme dress on the cover we would still feel like there's something it's not quite right here and maybe there's something here we should just be careful and then we should find ways to celebrate the choice of minorities as a religious freedom of minorities without horrifying certain aspects and i don't think they think that that's what they're doing and this is where the carelessness comes in that's honestly more offensive to me than than than anything else i just sort of laughing at on and and not really giving too much too much thought and we say they were like you might wearing awareness ribbon you know you put it right lapel it's oh right but but i like china john day right like you just put it on and you're like oh i'm just saying culture i feel so educate so i dunno i just don't know how to react to that i mean he got to be so ignorant and you just you don't you set aside the suffering of hundreds of millions of women in order to an end the source modesty that they have to undergo their whole life in order to feel like this is just a fun fashionable and cultural like i mean you're saying that we just put on and we celebrate and then we feel good about ourselves because of where so accepting let me 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continue a conversation with sarah hater she's a friend she is cofounder of acts muslims up north america she is a human rights activists and we're talking just candidly sort of about some of the challenges and opportunities we fades as activists inside and outside of these circles i'm interested in these purity tests where people can't advocated for someone else unless they are ex or unless they aren't why i'm reminded of the story abroad mohammed when she was trying to escape scape thea bangkok airport she's barricaded in the room she's on twitter she's live streaming please they're coming for me they've threatened to kill me and i remember when i was out there are so many other people were all sharing the story and the story goes viral and she is rescued and given asylum in austria or in canada rather and 'em i remember thinking to myself you know whenever she if she ever stumbled across the share by myself an axe christian next muslim born in oklahoma in the united states and she saw me advocating for her i can't imagine she would be like oh shit he's white or he's in jail or he's not a max muslim and yet i am told constantly that i have to be x or not be why to be able to support someone else this makes no sense like i can march with my best friend in a pride parade because i'm had a row where do these things come from and i'm sure you've experienced as well right right and then they've gotten worse right i remember couple of years ago when i started the first time hearing this kind of language and i wish you know sort of any sort of saying i don't know about this i don't this makes sense that you have to be it'd be exact race ethnicity whatever a in order to discuss certain issues 'em whenever i remember when i first started up people said extremist just nugent wacky tumbler teenagers and you just need forget about that and move onto the real problems and discussed a real problems except this kind of thinking has taken over you know like i i wouldn't say maybe taking over is a strong word but a truly become normalized in are discourse especially after a circle and progressive actress circle especially that you have the compromise certain that you have to belong permit you to come from a certain experience unable to in in order to even participate in the discussion i there's certain things that you have an opinion on i have an opinion on a bike i can't i can't advocated for issues relating to gender equality right i'm i'm a man i thought that was the point i thought we're all supposed to be advocating for each other two were race those unique qualities 'em and endlessly spiced issue and by by the way we used are 'em you know the the factors that we can't change by herself as a form of qualifier her whether or not you're allowed to participate in a certain discussion it's very lazy it's an it's a fundamental level it's anti liberal you know it's the opposite of of of the you know the fundamental idea that makes up a liberal society and that it which is that we have the capacity to speak to each other and we have that capacity to become to change their minds to make coalitions to work together for a better future but the only way you're gonna have that is is if you if you understand it there's eight common humanity anders inability to empathize inability to sympathize inability to understand deeply sometimes you know festival situation that you're not necessarily apart up again if you if you let this go this concept and what are we left you can't participate in certain conversations i can't participate in certain conversations unless i belong to that a specific ethnic group then we're just all western start in are little goals of of people who have the same skin color end gender and whatever what have you on an end were not allowed to have when i lived in you know participate in in dialogue together and worked together as an instructor dead horse here if you've gotten involved in the milk shaking discussions at all no no no no i haven't really thought about it very much at home wow yeah it's much of the same kind of stuff you know where you go out and you throw a apparently we throw you know custard and fulfil people in this is supposed to solve something and so i i just think this is this is not help not even exercise of feeling good about yourself that's and that's the angry people who are either rightfully angry enough right a lot of people are are upset it's what what's happening in the world around us they're scared and they wanna do something and like being normal normal prophecies are slow in their frustrating or maybe they no longer believe they work so they just wanna do something but still austin so often will end up doing is just an exercise in in in a in venting are own feelings and much of the time it actually has eight you know it actually arms whatever cars that were trying to fight for you feel feel like it like anti at cetera i mean they are what they say they despise the sort of mob rule this burn it all down sort of moral are not moral but well perhaps more open just sort of in a un anarchy i i just resist extremism ism and somehow this is a controversial point of view in almost a year twenty twenty i just don't think extremism is how we solve today's problems and the twitter verse i don't i don't see anybody de escalate very few people de escalating so i think it comes from it especially a place of ignorance a lot of people there i mean you see you see anti end the far right and i'm not i'm not equating i know they're different and i i i personally think that the far left far right they far far far greater fat 'em and i understand that and they've actually that actually kill people you know it's it's it's it's different but that's not to say that we shouldn't be worried about these extremist on the far left and i do drink any if you look at the makeup of a lot of these people they're young they're often they're white men especially as he was white men as far as i know people will never seen a the decay of civil discourse they've never been in society where violence is the rule you know trump exception as you make your point the violence you run from violence bigoted everywhere and it is impossible to hide from and keep yourself safe from and they don't understand that the if you allow are civil discourse of decatur the point that violence in any form becomes normalized then inevitably the people that will be at the top of that hierarchy will not be the people were most interesting most convincing most talented on it will be the people who are best at utilizing violence to their advantage it's going to be this hugs and the the the actual the most brutal people in our society that are going take advantage of such a situation i just don't think were gonna hate ourselves into a better future komi naive a round the clock here with sarah she's got a few minutes left i've got a call on the switchboard let's make it fast three one six you're on with the thinking atheist podcast seth andrews sarah haters who's this hey is david from harlem david thanks recalling you have a question or comment sarah a yeah a i in here and all 'em m as in x most were just say ashford bachmann says she did a good extremist or fundamentalists are the two most in a sense it they fix attorney from the crude on and missed by and in a way that columbia moderate islam and they're smart question okay can i mean modernism edging out i think is this question do you extreme mr actually holding to be literal texted the current and are acting the true is long soros is that you're question yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm a former got panic and so from what i know christianity doesn't have fundamentally on the same scale of muslims have right now so both of these things are true in that 'em one there is a difference between christianity nece lama in christianity judaism and that matters those differences matter and they're often the differences are deep they're they're based in scripture and 'em and that has a fax echoes throughout muslim practice and the history of islam is different in that and it looks very different than christianity christianity was weak and it's beginning 'em islam had a lot of these houses right but the gang mom it was eight politician in statesman 'em as well as it were just so that impacts the way islam you know think of itself and a and the place that it has in society and the fact that it had a hitch in history so many great successes until they finally they they slow down on after after a long time and a lot of great cons conquest of that history also impacts the weight that a muslim theologians and muslim you know if you go back to you know legal interpretation of the law of the sure yeah you'll see that reflected in it and so that yes there's differences and we shouldn't be naive 'em an discount them i hear a lot of all religions are are religions are the same they're equally batter they were that's not true they're different they're different in some ways islam might be better but in some ways it's going to be 'em eight he's gonna pose greater challenges or at least temporarily more difficult that is true and i get frustrated when people refused to grapple with this reality a having said that can islam be moderated i think so of course begins because muslims are human just like everyone else they're living in this modern world they have the same pressures of the modern world but everyone else is going through that same desires as everyone else and they're going to be impacted by 'em lee by baby growing understanding we have the world just like anyone else as long as they become more aware and i think it religions in general have an endless capacity for themselves right and religious people like i think to some degree all kind of half the play a dance and when you are carson ignore a good deal of of of of what's going so i think muslims can muslims can couldn't confused themselves and become a little bit more moderate and i think to some degree we've seen that happen in christianity when some christians advocated for gay rights you know they're more accepting and they have than ever before on these historically not christian things but they become christian things i mean i think a similar thing can happen to islam but i'm you know i'm betting on on the rise of atheist don't do a lot of that along that moderating working well appreciate your call very much sir thanks so much all right take care i would spend longer on the comb but were pushing the clock i know you have to jet here in about two minutes gimme some good news sarah i mean talk about they they work you're doing with x muslims of north america or elsewhere we can talk about this recent event you had this big a a x muslim events whatever just let us know what's happening and then how we can help support you and you're work okay yeah and so lots of good things are in the works with excellent the north america please follow our website or are social media and will try keep everyone up to date on this next coming year we want any more public and more open until excited to do that and we have a lot of initiatives coming up to have more or videos more open conferences and events but other people could join i'm working on an event that's slightly except for it 'em up from from this word but it is very related 'em it is in the conference a one day conference in new york that's coming up it's called a win rights and religions collide why are we have a website and you can you can look us up and it's going to be eight eight discussion in an index look into be all the different ways that a in a sorry secluded religious and isolated religious community i can i can harm or or take away from these rights of the their members and putting on their most vulnerable number so we're not going to be as we were going be thinking about in confidence and that's what the speakers talk about his alleged limited is mom is just too narrowly broad yeah it's a it's a broader conference and cole co organizers in a i'm i'm organizing it together with this these two amazing women 'em and we've been working on for a couple of months up months of one of them in any founder of a b the amish heritage foundation which is beat these i think first organization any 'em of people were leaving the amish lifestyle the high so she works with with that group and a another another woman that is working with me it works wins that i think shouldn't have founder of an organization called footsteps and they assess acidic on or orthodox jews were leaving their faith community behind so the three of us came together we found that are communities have similar issues and we also found that the broader a broader world struggled to understand what exactly is happening in especially when it comes to infringement of individual rights and liberties within these included in isolated communities so we want it to have a conference or weaken just discuss that march and taken to all the different all the different things that come into play to make that happen you know from a must some social logical perspective but also legally you know what we could do to assessed academics worth thinking about these issues on but also i'm service providers who might be might be interacting is a two people all that come from this background and i love the stories of x religious people just love and i'm curious to see if you know they were indeed reason dolphin extremist religious people reasons out of their face i know a great many of us worst go meet you're obligations i know you've been very generous with their time i'd love a chance to sit down and do this when we are really on the clock because you're such a good guest but i will make sure the point everybody to a year sites i got you twitter handle will get acts muslims a website in the description box and i will see you out there thanks for all of your amazing 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Ep 239 | Phil Robertson's New Boycott, the Secret to Good Coffee, and Jase Finds Freedom in Florida

Unashamed with Phil Robertson

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Ep 239 | Phil Robertson's New Boycott, the Secret to Good Coffee, and Jase Finds Freedom in Florida

"Unashamed about you everything centers. I've not watched any of them. The didn't bring up a coffee. Made go make us a cup of coffee. Do we have any. I mean like gold when they were having out across the west and fighting inbetween skirmishes with the with the indians. You said you've got the coffee. Made a sit down have you. Also he was a big deal and all the movies the way. They're portrayed now why the why that. I'm not quite sure belichick. Every one of them you might stumble up on something. Because i used to say most good movies that i've that i've seen they start off with water somewhere in the opening scene. It'll be water and online here but what you're saying it's coffee on the western about. We're traveling across the wilderness. Taming the west. He's figure out well trained they had hall and the coffee out there because they all had it every last one of them. I don't know whether just in the movies or really they. They drank a lot of coffee. But how did you get there in the middle of nowhere in a covered wagon. Make sure you got the covey. No coffee no trip. No coffin notre whereas the coffee. I'm going to now. Put that into every because i'll watch l. wish to notice that i hadn't noticed it but you want every one of them has a copy saying you've made most of them more than more than three or four or five six times. No matter what who was getting killed string in a month we're gonna go hang with fighting. The indians can't cross the river. Break out the coffee break out on. I do remember that in liquor but but it was coffee and whiskey as foodstuffs that you had to have if we're gonna tain the west. I've been watching. So where are you going. I'm jay the wilderness obscene. And we all all. I will say this every bobble study that i've had in the last centerpiece ten years. I get my bible. They're like they're on their way. And i make a pot of coffee there you no matter what the our either you go whether it's midnight errors raining down from the bluffs but you in there you got the coffee bullet holes in coffee coffee. The bucket shoot. That's where all gathered around. the carpet. shots rang out. Good coffee pot withholding. I would have said a pot of beans probably more than the coffee. Is you remember those. That is the coffeemaker. Remember that what i'm here. You remember the trinity movies. Yeah this is what started this. I came in here and we hadn't been here a couple of days and somebody put way too much coffee in the coffee part and the new guy the new guy. Yeah was that you know he wasn't here last time. Okay so then when. Elliot carter is d- into just something that's because we put we've told this before but you put as much coffee as possible in the filter as much of a whole almost running out running over. I mean in fact we could do a whole section about how you came about the world's largest coffee filters which you gave me a thousand. I appreciate it but i. I've looked across the globe form. And somehow you got him so. But i had to clean that out. And you're i don't know next thing. Put a man. On that task dan the eunuch and to his credit. He looked at what he had. Two boxes i mean it was huge boxes coffee filters to last the rest of my life. He got him. Yeah when i went down there and you've had them in a secret hiding place and you brought them up. He s thousands thousands hanania thousand. And i'm dan you reckon that's enough to hold the he said well. I thought you didn't wanna run out as well. I'll tell you what you did well but it took him several weeks. Yeah to lok. I mean at such dana's like red own. Shell shank redemption. He's a man who knows how to find things except the difference in red and dan is. Dan knows how to find things in bulk and save money. This is the amount he has like a will leaving amount. The land two houses there's tens of thousands of oversize calvi filters up under the bottom three cabinets. Where you usually put pants i. I couldn't believe it. I was like man has acquired. We're not running coffee in this lab over the next few top one another his standup years. We'll tell you when you handed me them out. So it sounded revolutionized my coffee making process everyone in the last month since he gave damning. Because you're not gonna fill it up so you and it's a lot cleaner because you don't have what this happens. What happens is we won't strong coffee so we'd put as much in there but the filters are like so small or which may be wild like restaurant and convenience store. Coffee is so weak because they don't have big enough filter. It's not the coffee filter. We'll hold enough copies enough coffee and so well. We corrected that problems so we will. We need to add that to our western wears. Did notice the coffee. I was going to say about the beans because those trendy movies your always eat up but the always ate whole pan beans now whether you're acting or in real life if you eat an entire black iron skillet of beans. that's impressive. Any he did it in like sixty second. What hate to be on that. Set the rest of the day. We're around the old campfire. You know after about an ira too bad. All the old cowhands. That's start into something and you member own. They would let us on the tv show when we did it. For five years we would be ourselves and do the scene and then the famous deal is we. Can you do that again. And so at first. We tried which they never safety they. Yeah but after a while they would say. Can you do that again. I said no and we moved on that. That was all of that but can you imagine them saying. Did that again. After you ate that whole pot of beans. I mean he had to maintain you know something else that the around the world. Because i've done little travel people around the world some countries do but but they're not in love with coffee as much as it is here you find i can. In south america south america it is it is big but failed but you go t t in europe. You know. they're all drinkers hot tea. I loved that they get offended when you asked for ice which is frustrating. You can't find ice. Can't find big filters in america. You can't find ice in europe no ice and they're offended if you ask for it but i like my t think that i is a killer killer. No no is none. None really know is on anything. It's a killer a day lava that is we'll be. They were like you know ice tea. They say that will kill you. Feel you've defied that. Yeah i drink about a gallon of that. You're living proof. That's not true. Did you say that we all i was going to say that mike. I'll have ice makers like huge industrial ice makers at our house dillon. The microbiologist tell you that the ice in the t actually does something that enhances the taste the radiation cool leaner something. I've heard that. But i mean i. You told me that they got somebody told me. They gave me that info. Okay well you only get a coffee. And i'm gonna tell you about low. I've got my. I got a year. He cut rep absurd. Your might go. We'll just keep going. You get up in the coffee made. I was gonna tell you about my trip unless you have something else planned now. No i'm just laughing. Because we're the only pike as in america. The opens up talking about western coffee and gets up and goes to make covid during the podcast. Feel nobody else is doing this. Nah i made the call. He just he. Uso wound up about the westerns and the he had noticed that which. I'm glad he's often news. I said that morning metal detecting buddy sent me a picture of what he found this saturday and it was found a couple of old coins. And we have this big contraption say what does that he said not every day. Do you find a manure spreader at at old house. And i said well you can find that everyday by watching the news. Well i thought it was clever. I i'm all. I'm all get my. I have boycotted. All i would say ninety ninety eight percent of all sports news media all tv shows main newscast. Now i couldn't take anymore. So i just retreated now we down here in the south though the corona virus san. You won't to. That's fine with me. Overthrow the the recent election. And i thought was a bummer. But i i just boycott it all of it and it occurred to me that the centerpiece of all old western you. So what actually do you watch. All the episodes at met dylan made gunsmoke. Gunsmoke gun smoke. They've got it going. It's still making money to this day. But i noticed all western movies. I only watched the westerns ninety nine percent of the time old westerns. You pretty well know how they're going to end. It's always good and evil and the good the good of the vast majority of times the good win and evil loses in nearly every one of them and it's the same thing there but the centerpiece of all of them is what i have in my hand right here. There's not a western. I know of that does not have multiple scenes of individuals. Drinking coffee as the west was being pained other words. The aras from the comanche buying by euro. Very behind some rocks. But it all started when y'all were just sitting there having a cup of coffee right. I'm gonna i'm gonna see it that way. I mean the drinking coffee. So what i'm trying to figure out. Is i know how we get it. We ordered from people and they sit in black rivals with us wherever them and the coffee. But how in the world did they get that much coffee because as portrays. The wins westerns. Go drink coffee at least ten times during the making of this to our film. We're gonna have a lot of scenes sitting around the coffee pot. I'm embarrassed that. I missed that every fight. You ever see where people are hurt. It's a fistfight. The coffee pots in the middle of it. It's getting knocked over is stone in somebody's face. Coffey is the centerpiece of all on. I watch so in reality had to do they have a wagon train. That's hall in this comfy as the tame the west coast they all had it or did they just get it each town. They got him a fifty pound bag. We got twenty. Two rovers out there working the cattle then there every time they look up they come over there to the the wagon and He's always a strange act in foul but they all have beans eight beans and drink coffee. That's what won the west. Offie and beams. I'm up i'm ready. I started watching an old western last night. It was a spanish western. They talked english but having half spanish. Any coffee drinking seines. Here's what happened at the first five. I turned it on it was i was getting. I didn't think obviously. But i turned it on and it was this. Oh boy and he was at a bullfight. That's kind of how it started. And then they had called. There was a prisoner. They had with just his neck from the neck up out of the ground they had buried him you know and they were they were setting all the stages and then the guy who was at the bullfight. Now he's outta poker game while he noticed he was looking at. The dice kept role in the same numbers. So the dealer he he got pissed awhile and he handed him a glass of water. So wasn't coffee. And he said drink this and then as he was fixed a drink because the guy was looking around like what he dropped the two dice in the cup until the guys drinking the water and the dice are like he's struggling and he gets them in his mouth but he's like so he added pistol and he shoved those dice like need and so they were setting. I thought it was great seeing. You don't see western d- like that anymore. And that's what i was going to say. What happened to the modern western. When's the last time you seen a great western. They quit making them that's they. Did they quit making them. I would tell you how this ended. Let's take a break so as you mentioned this that there's a lot of reasons why people are stressed out. Would you was. Is that a fair thing to say. These are stressing times general in now that you and i have been on the road a little bit. We really see the stress. You know terms air travel and everything else i mean. It's it's an interesting time. One of the things. You don't want to be stressed out about is male baldness or receding hairline. You don't be stressed out about that And yet people do right. So the good news is we have a one of our longtime sponsors. This going to help you out. It's called keeps and basically what they do. Is they have a doctor recommended. Fda approved hair loss treatment. And it's not expensive. It's a lot cheaper than some of the other stuff. That's out there so they want you to be able to keep your hair and not be stressed about it. So basically you go to their website heaps dot com s. k. e. dot com. And they're going to have a licensed doctor they're gonna take picture your hair they're gonna review your info and basically they're going to give you a recommendation you're going to ship it straight to your door. You don't have to go anywhere. pretty good. deal is keeps dot com slash door. You get fifty percent off your first order which is cool keeps dot com slash door fifty percent of and. Don't be stressed about your hair. I will take this ended but five minutes of sleep. And when i woke up the credits were coming so i need to watch them. You take matt dillon. Gunsmoke you might as well get ready when you watch these thirty minute. Little shows they always had coffee and they always had whiskey whiskey and coffee that put together. That combo won the west. But i whiskey well. I think they were doing that to. What's the word to be an opposition. Because if you drink too much whisky you need some coffee. Counterbalance let me remember that. So they would they would come into town. You know you'd have the cow pokes and then they come into town and get provisions and while they were in town that's slip over to the saloum so they had to coffee. They were taken back to the camp but they were getting a little hooch at the the old saloon setup member fell back then the average life expectancy was probably like thirty eight sure. I don't know whether the whiskey finally got him. I discard too much coffee. Or both combo. Vote but It was a laugh style of get up in the morning. Hit the coffee when the sun goes down. Get onto whiskey. I'm will make you feel better today because the reason you start watching the news and all that you have these moments in life that you just feel like our a profound moment. That's a game changer. I iou you preached on that yesterday which was spectacular good. Did you say the ceremony. So i wanted to see it too since i did his video and well that was. Was that a off your show in the woods. I started watching that. I didn't know this kind of stuff. Doing that was excellent. And i thought it was a creative way to share especially in our modern world and people watching online i mean that that was riveting and i knew that. We had research that chapter on the podcasts. Which is helping preet because you did. I put your question aperture questions and there were two really good well and you focus on another one that i did. Which by the way. I had written down. Which was the why question which was amazing. When you did that part. I it was awesome. I nominal. I found myself at seventy four. And i'll be seventy five in april if i make it that long. But i have no aches or pains anywhere my buddy. Maybe coffee has something to do with that. Who knows no harm. No pharmaceutical none. Zero no peels from a local store. None i'm all for that. I'm like i'm going with off the news and pills lying along the any kind of Political wrangling any kind of political wrangling. On any of the news media don't take that don't ingest that so i have found at seventy four boys completely and utterly wrapped in jesus the son of god his story it convicted may jumping off a solid tarsus. You say you know what a change. In a man's thinking they zing. What and he's allowed being an ex murderer. Persecutor of the agree. He's allowed to god speaking through him through the spirit to write down most of what we read incredible but nearly all of the new testament you just wouldn't have thought would pick out. That kind of person is riveting. Hey head jobs. Let let me plug to the audience where they can find what you're talking about. So he's thomas sermon appreciation day. If you go to church dot org you can watch that sermon in It was called from. Let me name change to gauge you. Let me give you a better than that. Look i will guarantee you go watch that you will thank me. It was even though we're brothers. And i'm i'll tell you if you know if he lays egg tell him. I was like not one. Not one of your. That was spectacular. So call it laying egg. Yeah sometimes. I haven't heard that a lot of you do your ads. Well just yeah. I don't either. So dad is in the woods with phil which is on blaze. Tv which is his show. He did a two parter on the same thing. And i showed a little bit of that. Those episodes in my sermon. But i loved it. The que those guys real creative the name of dads episodes are better not commie saul and for those in the audience to know but there was a show called better call or i think it was better call saul or okay so great if that's a little cheesy but but it was it was since the name of your lesson is what was it changer to from no from name change or two game i'll name changer. Two game because he went from side. Paul okay. i'm just now but that was spectacular. Very well done. I had some good news that we get jason ravitz here and i think goose egg is the zero when you have the goose leonay yup zero zero as it hit me so i wanna give you some good news. I think maybe the last time i was here or time for i told about the trip that i took that was not good. My troubles with airlines. Oh yeah the fly. Do want to report that. When i said they said you're not going to get a refund. I said keep it. They actually fully refunded everything. I don't know if they heard the podcast was keeping us. Keep it because they didn't want to let me off the plane. So i just wanted to say. I appreciate the refund awesome great. You didn't have to do that. I was getting off the plane but anyway it was a depressing story. And i gave you the pulse of what i thought america. At that moment it was filled with fear and a lot of and people were just coming unhinged. I just took another trip. And i wanted to share this and it's really good news. I went to lake city florida. They said was get known as the gateway to florida. Mountain in line was inner through the small gate. They didn't allow. But when i said i thought it was funny. But here's what i want to report. Had no problems get get in there and so i get there and they do you know goes we do a little vip meet and greet and the people just kept coming. And i thought worthy were these people come from because i was expecting in this age of corona virus and a fears and the last trip. I took that. I just didn't think it would be a big crowd and i go out to this to the arena. After the man which was a lot of people and this place is packed. There were over eight hundred people in the arena. That seated eight hundred and i'm not sure how many other people were around. Let's call it a thousand. There were zero mask. None and this place was raucous in a good way. I mean raucous. They had a phenomenal worship team. Contemporary worship group saying graves and the gardens. You people to listen to this kind of music. You know well that i heard that i was back in the green room. They say once on the wasn't familiar with. And then i heard the oh asserts the world. I'm like let's go right now. So i went outside of the united states where you and i would say north to central florida. I'm not sure where lake city your lake city. Florida said which explains which explains why there was. There was freedom there. Jays florida to santa's opened up florida pretty much. You know. full throttle a while back and they've been doing great i mean and they've got the population centers does that new york and california but he realized that you know y. You don't have to just stay down all the time he was one of the original ones. Let's hijaz let's take another break. I'm one of those cabins. Because i'm the oldest in the family jason. I don't know if you're like this or not. But i love like when i find pictures of like when we were young or especially like a granny and paul and just kind of like you know stuff that you hadn't seen in years and years and then kind of talking about that. You like just like nap once. I go down. The road found the pitcher box. I go through them all and now 'cause most people's pictures are on their phone. You don't have the. We'll think i love about that is because i like no one about ole stories and kind of where we came from and that sort of thing. I've always been super intrigued by that. One of our one of our sponsors ancestry dot com. Obviously that's that's their whole thing. You can find out about your background your heritage where you came from. What percentage where you're from in the world and it's just really interesting of course in our case is also very meaningful to us because we also found that we had a sister and it came because of them because they were looking up some heritage and basically found the robertson's right. So if you want to check these guys out it reveal your ethnic origin details about your family. Really interesting stuff You get your ancestor. Dna kid and you go to ancestry. Dot com slash. Feel that's ancestry dot com slash phil. And you're going to get a free trao to check out where you came from our. I wasn't aware that. But i didn't want to say this sale. La this event they were. I think raising money for they have an outdoor ministry where they take teenagers and young people and they go to the outdoors and they hike and boat and i watched a little video of it and know they to share jesus with i mean okay and for that many people show which i looked at the guy put it on like what are these people come from well. Here's what i can't pick her when all this started. The corona virus comes out of china and the havoc. It wreaked across the world. I said at the time on the blaze. Tv that it came from china. It comes from bats these cave bats. They know that we know that much and either accidentally on purpose came out of one of these chinese germ warfare labs accidentally on purpose. That's the way i. That's the way i left it. You got that from the knees knows well. Yeah so i just looked enough to say that's came out of what i can't figure out. Yeah that's true is. I didn't wear a mask at any time. I never had a mask on. You're not you're you're you're. I'm just telling the quantum that i have noticed. I never wore masks. I never caught. The virus might have had it. But you did not. Some doctors showed up. Somebody sent him down. That i didn't call him i. I didn't know he becoming dr roseanne. He said feel somebody somebody your family members or somebody sent me down if you you you'd miss k. Doing okay yeah just hang up my nose and gets a swab takes a little blood from arm. He said i'll get back with a couple of days on this. Two days later he said we swap jewish. Got blood out of you. You've never had corona virus. You don't have corona virus. Now he said so. I think you good to go. Well i didn't put on a mask. After that. Only time i would meet with. Anybody is the two sons and daughters of god. Go there give him some words of encouragement like we do here and then i'm going back to the house. I never caught it. Yeah i'm i'm just looking at the mask you know during when we were trying to figure all this out but at this point i mean we're we're we're here but i wanna finish my stories when i go to that of the the first person in line is a ten year old kid with his mom in the vip cup. Big smile on his face had a suit and tie comes. It comes up to me. I was like boy. You got the front row. How did you get first in line. And he had a. He actually had a duck commander hat and he said. I want you to sign this. And he said. Do you remember me which always tough when someone says that we talked about it. Unlike you seem familiar you have this hat. But we didn't sign. He's like well. We mom sent a request. For y'all to pray for me five years ago because i had cancer and i just want you to know that i'm five years cancer free and i wanted to thank you for praying for him. Walk got kinda got kind of misty eyed and yeah stop the seedings and we had a talk and i wrote matthew nineteen twenty six. I couldn't remit mobs having brain cramps. So i had to go get my bible and i'm looking at up. I said i'm gonna. I'm gonna give you a little word today you know and it's at versace's with with man. This is impossible. They were talking about how hard it was for. The kid motivated you. Yeah well. I'll just thought well this is why i'm here. Let's get that out of the way. I don't know what's fixing to happen but this is awesome. His name was mason. And so so we had this moment. And then i go out there. Of course. i'm the energy from the people that were excited. And all the peo- probably two hundred and fifty people in the vip line and they were just all excited and happy. and so. I introduced mason. My oatman one minute. He was sitting on the front row and his mom. And i tell them what happened and i said you know here. We are people wonder what this is dangerous. All of you gathered up in this close proximity and and i can tell during the worship. A third of the people were worshipping with no regard to anything in la. I mean just they were they. Were getting it. And that. I'd say two thirds i deducted. Either they come from a more conservative church or they don't have a church because i could tell they were. They were noticeably uncomfortable. About these this many people. And so i kind of went through that a little bit. I was like don't feel awkward or nervous. We're just excited and i. I went through the benefits of being in jesus abroad of the resurrection abroad up mason. In that we pray now the world may sell he just got lucky or fantastic doctors which look we do appreciate the medical world but we also look at this in his mind. He's like yeah. I had some doctors. And i got members of the duck commander to pray for me and i'm healed. I wanna thank god. Are you there doctors there a lot of letters accordion. I want everybody to understand. It's three hundred and fifty million of us here. Just think about it now for a while in the computer world and all that which i i'm to this day i've never owned a cell phone ever clicked on a computer. So i'm now's kim news. No political ring yeah. I'm not searching the internet to find out what you said good or bad none of that. I don't have it. But i will say every time these letters come in the names change but the stores are all the same. I'm tangled up over here. I was tangled up over there. I'm fixed to be tangled up over. There's a lot of there's diseases there's early deaths. there's early trouble. There's alcohol drugs as this and that and the other gesture member. We are praying for these people. I want all the listeners. Say we pray for our own oreg. I personally pray for only regular basis. I know y'all do and just like that story you taught by the kid. There's been how many stories like that. You know all of you out there and computer land just remember. It's a lot of people with a lot of troubles and we're on the earth and we're hearing about talent here we're pointing you to the one who can give you life and immortality well going say pash death to fear that remember you have. I wonder if they would say something and if they would answer me there's any of you. There's there's too many of you so look. Our lifestyle is regular prayer on your behalf for your uncles. The ones whose own booze too much trying to help him. he's an knocker with. We're praying for the as much as we can all the time we're aware of what's going on at just know that but we can't like be get contact. Each one of you be offended what you got out as break all right. Well let me finish story. So here's what. I think because then i lead that into sharon jesus to the crowd it was well received and it made me think from the world. This seems ridiculous. I mean. I'm sure you're you're putting these people at risk and like putting people at risk got a five year old kid who's now ten who has gone all in on people that prayed form and now we have all these people that have gathered from all across this community. And we're talking about that are way more impressive then. The things that calls the fear the panic the anger and so what it made me do is after that trip. I thought because i. I realized that that you know when i shared their story. I would probably get raked over the coals. You know for like oh cannot believe you are all gathering up that close together. You know worshipping god wink wink. I mean this is ridiculous. You people but we believe this so i was. I was just thinking what are the greatest american accomplishments. Could you know you think about coming out with a vaccine for this. And you're like s- great but when you think in. The history of america fell us something. I need to go so i did. And what do you think they were. The top ten greatest accomplishments in america samuel l. Name well the ability to break the sound. The sound barrier fast moving aircraft yup areas on the ground in about nineteen away was a couple with aircraft related. All right so you got two of them hundred years from the wright brothers to to the modem ours that was number one going to the moon into the moon Anything else the internet was actually there. The also you mentioned the car cars and number three. Yeah breakthroughs with medical medical technology. Yeah phone a few medical. That was one. I think you know with when it said cell phone which rac laced with replace the walkie talkie. That's a step up for. You got the gist of they say so so look yacht. I took the ten. Here's my point. Take the ten greatest accomplishments. You only have to read three or four verses we put our faith and trust if you take each of those issues you talking about call and people are last podcast. He just came over and saw he just saul saul. He didn't need a phone. He just spoke and they thought it was thunder. I would say compared to a cell phone this is this is not even something you can wrap your head around. It's as you say. Well okay well the planes he he's literally transporting and leaving and going places. We can't even see and when you finally get to the moon. Well he made that and can make it has made hundreds of oval out the universe not when we get together and we worship god and we celebrate him answering prayer and when we introduce jesus and and realize that transformation and their life can happen. And i mean that's something that sure you can go to twelve step groups and you can do things and get counseling. But we've all seen the power of jesus being shared and the transformation that happened and sometimes in an instant. Y'all think about mcelwain. I mean he goes from drug crazed bam in now you know. He leads one of the biggest groups of helping people overcome that years. And you said what have introduction. Jesus so all i'm saying is when you look at it from that perspective. I mean just warm my soul. I'm might now. This is the group that. I wanna be a part of this right here to me. It was a little little touch of heaven of us. Despite all the pandemonium going out there in the world for those of us who were in that crowd that night awhile. I'm telling you it was inspiring. I've felt like alan levitated to the hotel room and even in the next the next day on the plane which you know. I'm gonna tell the sillage story because it was just totally different and i tried to go to one of these These little clubs. When you have a long layover because people notice me. Because i had the camera. And i didn't have a chain of close even when the mass people and it was getting out of hand you get notice when you're wearing cammo and you don't you haven't shaved obey than if you day. Yeah people know us may make my sis happens. My assistant said go to the club. I can't. I don't know what those things are called. What airline club. Yeah you go on there and you pay. I didn't know what it calls. Call seventy five dollars. Which so here we go again take to. You have to have an american express card that i still don't have to get in the club. I'm i'm trying the old debit card. Again i thousand. I was about to say you're going to have a credit card because at least not go into the mall. The death hang on. Let's let's take one last break story saw so now. Is this never ending well. I don't have the y'all tells you don't go anyway over over a debit card colder debit card. Get what she needs. He got him levitating on the power of the spirit in this experience. So i had a shirt shadow yellow shirt that i wear that i think my wife design that that has the crawl and it says i am and it it has verse. They're just on johnny or john. I was wondering where he is. Johnny where's it. Before abraham was born. I am. That's it it. Has that that shirt on want. It knows how that showed him. So the woman And older african american woman she sitting there and like trying to give her the card. She's like the we can't you can also pay cash. No no i said oh she said but you had the right shirt oh and saw them and she said so its own me. So that's more powerful than the debit card. I had a verse omar sheridan. Obviously this woman believes in jesus and she fell. And i mean look. She didn't know me. And i look a little rough. It's a wonderful thing when the sound and daughters of god are together. I looked at. And i thought i appreciate it. I appreciate wearing that and she. She started quoting the verse. That was all my show. And i thaw. Now we're getting somewhere like we've had a pivotal moment a change from looking at it from the heavenly from thirty thousand feet jerry dialogue your dialogue just a reminder on the atheists weighing out there they said you know what they're saying you talked about much idi and check this out. I land a comeback. They're the closest convenience store to my house. There's a guy from europe there. That i met because i always stop in there and since i traveled to travel to ukraine told him about my trip. You know because he has accent. I mean through the last few years. I've had many conversations with his gun befriending because you know what i want to introduce him to jesus and i've made little comment here and there and so but that's gone on for years and it's all going the convenience store because i always stop same-store obama house whatever you know and get whatever i needed. I can't even remember now. We'll i'll go in there and stuff and he says. Hey i wanna ask some My wife and i we're thinking about coming in and visiting your church. I was like really and so we talked about it. You'll like it but it was just another little moment. Where i thought man wah wah you know. Why was i so upset. I mean it's like. I had one trio that it couldn't have gone any worse and this looking at it from a spiritual perspective couldn't have gone any any better and they wanna get back here. You planted the seeds. Go ahead know exactly why because your trip last time we talked about it was to just a treasure hunt and not not that you know you bring godly things and everything. But i'm saying it was. It was more for your own personal benefit and everything went haywire wrong. This one you did for god and the king this was a mission and so therefore god bless you every step of the way. That's what i think. Maybe so and i think some of its perspective. I think when you get really excited you know one of the things you can do to better yourself in christ is go to these events where you know something good is going to happen in your spiritual life. I mean you remember the first time. They used to have a workshop or or like a conference in tulsa that we went to and i i remember the first time i went because to me. We're out here in the country and our little church fill them started was what fifty people maybe and here. I am no my later teenage years. I'm try and but you feel kind of alone when you especially go to pub- public school and you're you're trying to live for. Jesus i remember the first time i went there and how many people would be in that arena. I don't wanna miss speak thirty thousand forty so that wouldn't be quiet about eight to ten thousand. Oh was i couldn't remember. I just remember yup singing. Just as i am which is an old him from what a couple of years ago. I remember sitting rain for the first time with those thousands of people. And i'm like you know what this is awesome and i get teary eyed. Just thinking this is we believe in this and it's good and true and holly but there is some power in that and had the same feeling a couple of years ago when missy and i and we took me mia went to a worship conference in nashville it just especially everything that we've been through with the with the krona virus and everybody being alone and boy. I'm just telling you. I mean that was a long story to say that that trio was phenomenal. I mean i am fired up. And i thank the people who were there and lake city. I made the same I noticed that jas. I've been those and even at our church. 'cause you know we've been meeting back for pretty good. Wow but even meet just like part of a group and we're in this big room that normally holds you know three times four times as many peoples are there and you know and most of our most time. Our churches been fairly open about not super worried about the virus. Other them you know. Some are dependent on their circumstances. But i've just noticed it's hard to get that what you're describing that excitement and enthusiasm because it's awkward. You're not sure if somebody has a massive my dad and my making them uncomfortable. And so i think now that we're kind of advancing the along with the vaccinations. I guess i mean. It just feels that to me. Feels like the old spirit is back. I guess day. When i was preaching people were responding during the sermon. They were laughing more has just. I just felt like they were more. You know this even our worship style on both sides seem so phenomenal. i mean just. I think there's a relaxing of that about people getting together. I think you're exactly right. Is as i came up with an interesting. I read this yesterday. This was part of my lesson. And i was the only way. Cdc movie highway to hell the song they made roads. You get on and pass you take isaiah seven hundred and some odd years before. Jesus said a highway will be there. These for the redeemed a highway will be there. It will be called check Jay which your own two thousand years later. Same road it will be called. The way of holiness the unclean will not journey on it. It will be for those who walk in the way. Wicked foods will not go about own. It where's that is a thirty five is pretty cool reminds me of when jesus said don't worry about the one who can kill the body but the body and the so yup and low we. We took our precautions. We tried to help people out. Especially the elder- elders you know during this whole process but you gotta remember. There's something of greater importance out there that everyone on the planet needs more than a vaccine. And it's a cure for the soul in the heart and the holy spirit can not only you know he'll but also redeem and resurrect so anything involving that it's just more appealing. It's more appealing to me. And look if you told me you're risking your life by doing it. And all those people are risking your life and other lives. I think it's worth the risk solid carson. I think you're right apostle paul so to to quote the great local preacher ernie miles from years past jays. Says that's all y'all thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast help us out by rating us on attitudes and don't miss an episode by subscribing on youtube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes and for even more content. That you won't get anywhere else subscribed to blaze. tv at blaze tv dot com slash unashamed.

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Ep 168 | Phil Might Need a Good Shrink, Whispers Make Jase Nervous, and the God of the Towel

Unashamed with Phil Robertson

51:57 min | 6 months ago

Ep 168 | Phil Might Need a Good Shrink, Whispers Make Jase Nervous, and the God of the Towel

"Him Unashamed. What about you? So, this is our last podcast. Lord Willin I shouldn't last biogas. In our temporary location next time, we should be back to the. To Layer. Getting Ready for season. As kind of our gear up tab this time of year because we're not too far away A. What are we six weeks from? Seven less listen. I don't even know what to do twenty first twenty first of November opening day days what of August? October Fifteenth Fifteenth. Now. What will then I've weeks is will hunt and it'll be a week close by the time this. PODCAST that's why if you for you long time listeners is why we had like face pain now because you just go immediately from the blind well that's a little thing. I didn't think that already it's. We'll just walk in from the duck blind. We stayed from. We were there at five o'clock that morning will be there at about. Ten Thirty Eleven Catch at ten o'clock plight and we'll be back back lab o'clock eleven thirty. We'll make adjustments on the podcast with Y'all know we are fresh from the duck blind doing what we do a lot of them. You say, well, boy y'all got it made, but there's more. Than they really realize that made me realize last I. Guess we talked about stay in that passage in Timothy stay away from foolish stupid argument we've argued fail inside come from a different generation and they think every hour they've done this since I was eight eight years old to over forty years. When? They don't have watches I think side does. But they'll say it's a forty-five get ready for that nine o'clock flight. I'm late ducks don't have watches I've. Known to watch, but I've just noticed. Owned up in the morning I'll agree with that but you'll say ten he was and I'm like. No I he'll ask say what time is what time is Nine. Forty. Ready. Boys fifteen minutes ten minutes never fail. But they have no concept of time to my knowledge other than dark. And daylight, which is China's figure out. This is a worthy of a debate or discussion are just worthy of once. box. But but none of me, none of the Robertson family members that number two of US left. ME. I have a younger sister passed onto the other side last year. Than Tommy my brother just two years old and me he was. From the oldest the next the next thanks it got down to me. Then, Cy then Janice. Ellen within the last two standing. Were were. Field and sat out of a seven FAM kid structure. So you look at that and. That most people might might not might find a little odd. None of though seven. Ever. Purchase a cellphone. None of them. Not One of them they narrowed it is where they never use the cell phone and the cell phone craze. When it hit, you know most of them, they're all alive. But none of them use them. I'm not saying that you dire out a cell phone but. Austin. Live pretty where. Riot Nobody in your if you make it to eight, if you make seventy nine. You will be. The longest one living sibling that every either I mean Jimmy Seventy eight everybody else passed away before him. So Yup, it wasn't super ripe old age because there are some eighty ninety. Oh. Interesting. Interesting if they had bought southpaw. None of them down the cell phone road. I don't know whether it's the way we were raised, but the has to be something there. That is true in Jan was younger. So she certainly would have should have you know. She wasn't touch one ears she. Said about it is fun. Reminds me of that. Dumb and dumber line when he was like WanNa turn on the radio and he's like. Radio. and. He's been. But these. Dumb and Dumber I'm saying all have college degrees but side. On the one that did you miss my? Grandma point was your whole lives are so entertaining without you don't need any aid. and. So like that may be a point that that's my my point was you were dumb that was just the man I think part of it is at your had sheepskin. When people say he's he's donors are post now I can say not really well, you don't remember that. Well. The fact that you you referred to a diploma as a sheepskin is mostly is like what is this sheepskin? Is the fact that may be why your whole generation meaning all your siblings just kind of one step away from the cell phone era to. My point was you have conversation I mean my life was filled with carbon. You're right about that. There's no. What do we need this for we? Most our family was in your we're we're tight. We talk is like I'll tell you this. If I I've noticed this about myself, which is Kinda Weird. I'll share it mom shared everything else I'll share this if I If I, it's a compassionate if I need to talk to. Willie. I don't call him. I walk. How far is it a third of a mile? It's not a short distance. But I'll just have a cell phone. But I just walk over and I have a conversation. With with an actual human, I would rather. I'm in the. Air So maybe because that's that's my if. Interesting never thought about he about this up so or today brought this up and when we were when we would get together as a family, all the dad siblings would come in all of our cousins and for most of those years the last year's our grandparents that was out on the river where we are now because that's where the grandparents yeah. So they all came there Thanksgiving or Christmas or both. Here's something you notice that the two to prove the point of what you said I think is true most time you hear people fam-. Oh We let the holidays we sit and watch a movie or whatever I mean. The TV would have been on in the corner of the room with all of us were together but we never watch TV again has never we worthy entertainment like sitel stories or Julie sit around and tell we said Oh we played. Or played let the kids played football and the adult would play dominos but you're not playing dominoes I mean you wanted to win because we're all hauling compared to, but basically you're having the running conversation. The whole time the entire time I've heard more tall tales over domino games and then then somebody will actually make a mistake. Then it all moves to that. which is you're telling some crazy story about catching thousand catfish. Would you cut? Cut that fire what are you doing we were? Strap. We need what we need is I think what we need here because we have a failure to communicate. What we need is a shrink. Shrink to look at a family structure, just one in America and why they never. Phone I'm when the first radio came along I remember that need this and I asked him what is it kid? Kid. Radio Rayo they plug it in and we've we've. You could get gunsmoke on the Radio Chester and Matt Dillon. Horses Galloping. You could hear him on the radio sound effects or we would gather around the radio I remember gunsmoke and Amos and Andy couple of African Americans they were. They just tell jokes I one thing, another Amos and Andy and. and. Matt Dillon, but that's it but we had that and we didn't have television for a long time I was. In junior high whatever that's probably not junior high choir. But when the first television we went to our articles to see what it looked lagging. You remember the I. See Movies did you did you ever have a phone like an in? Verse Landline. Came telephone and you had eight people were on the same line, right? So you can pick it up. You know Miss mckinney read live. After tell. Yeah. You get. ME. But we didn't. Go use it. Are People Call I, mean my daddy but answered and he'd say Yeah Yeah, he was a man of yards. Yeah. It's now a dad answers the phone. He says Yeah Yeah. I got my we still we brought this up before we. have. It. Still doesn't figure out that the due to the microphone system. Size starts talking I the further they are away. The louder. He told because he if he's talking to somebody from New York, he screaming. I'm like I noticed one down there over there. Why are hollered? He's whether they've Mala. It doesn't matter if whether you're talking to somebody from Alabama Street, he can't in his mind he's thinking well, they're further away. So I need. Someone at our audience who is computer? Google. Somebody just you won't be able to reach may directly we? Don't have a phone that I don't have a cell. But I'm just saying. Get in touch with somebody and try to figure out how does a one particular family structure in these United States of America, and none of the siblings ever used a cellphone. Your own, it's just that dinner send it to Al at restoration productions dot net that's where we get our May. Say just the age we were born in I think that's what they're gonNA say. That that's. I'm trying I would that's what I would guess it is. That's a good point I. Find it interesting that phones that. Really I mean we since we've moved here was that was in the seventies was thanks. I was a much more advanced than we were talking about in the in the fifties. But at the same time when we bought the place that you still live in. We had a landline, but it was still a party line. Because of the Hudson's were on there and so even twenty years later here because we were so far rural because it wasn't a lot of so y'all. The that we were slow to catch on technology that's possible and and it's still a problem by the way for our podcast because there's still no fiber optic line out that far, and so we really struggle with doing what we're doing to try to. You know without good Internet to be able to. Still run undetected is still is still a struggle even after all these years. So you'd think you know we're in America anywhere in the, but it's not is still you can't get far enough out where still. So speaking of podcast is interesting because. Last the last podcast we had, we were laughing about it. Once we ended it because it was like a tug of war. You know we were going to start with John? Thirteen we just kind of made our taking. You preach on. Son. John Thirteen and I figured once you. Showed the book dot and feels that John Fifteen. Through out. To defend because. I'm won't give you a little inside baseball now podcasts were. So basically at kind kinda put us a few notes together on where we might go because I never. Know we get here. Jason's been awful some tale. Tangent Dad's got something this. Burn a hole in his Bible. So I mean we may go anywhere on the PODCAST, but there is a light script and so on. It was John. Fifteen. So Dad actually was dig into the script as me and Jason went off script. So it's more an idea as far as you know our Bible Study 'cause we we've had emails and. How do you learn all this? Will we've been studying this? In. My case I guess for for over forty years your case. Fifty. A. Few dark years there. But the most of my adult life is yeah in the Bible I put us all together are years into together is like a hundred years. Of the Bible Study and not not that that you I'm continuing learning every day. Before I came up here today. I had three different phone calls from people in my. Posse guess my my trusted friend, your inner Senate with my inner circle not no family just three. About Bible. Related questions. So. I mean that was the warm up. I wasn't prepared to come up because I just had. My point is where I'm having these discussions on a daily basis about biblical issues. that. That's how you learn. which is good and you're right. We get asked that. Let's let's take a break. I'll look into the mirror when you get in your mid Seventies. I'm not shocked anymore. You know you get your mid. Sad Mr when you look in the mirror no longer say, Whoa, you just say I'm still at the WO- state. You. Pash. You'll come I don't know so Jason you're always wear a hat. So I never know if you're you lose your hair I mean you're you're fifty years old I started losing around. Kind of a boss. Tom. You take a shower. You look down thing. Yeah. Basically, a hair net though because I have a lot of to lose. Well. There's a lot of guys out there that start losing. There's a lot earlier than I did or that you are. An start going ball pretty early in. So there's a company it's been a long time sponsor on our podcast called keeps. and. Basically they're going to give you a hair loss treatment that help you keep your hair and ship it to you go in there at their website address and you get this, it comes to your door. You'll have to go to the doctor and all those type things. So we want you to check them out if you need 'em keeps K. E. P. S. keeps dot com slash door. You're going to fifty percent off your first order. That's keeps dot com slash door and hang onto your hair. That means a hair net is excellent. So before I get to this. I. Just thought about this because we were talking about earlier someone sent a question because I know the folks that help help me answer my email about my watch and I guess you noticed It's funny what people notice the ones that watch the podcast and so this Lisa gave me this watch. I think last year for birthday or Christmas or some talent have been disappointed and my wife gave me one and I love it and the reason why is because I wear a watch obviously unlike oh but then this is a an actual piece of an actual baseball that was played in dodger game used dodger fan. They're in the playoffs right now. But that really I mean that was to me or really cool gift I mean it's like she knew I love baseball she. Impress yeah. I'm that Centerman. Well, 'cause I just don't I'm like I thought when the cell phones came mail. To bring that back up, that would kill the watches. I'm surprised people are still like having to watch where I can just look down at not had to find the stupid phone because I felt like how close people the phone is attached to their body. And I'm like not that attached to my I have to have it I have to use it but I don't like to use it I mean it's a necessary evil. The other day we found KS cell phone. Inside the outside refrigerator. She lost it. took an hour I said get get somebody call you and we'll walk around Tony I'm sure that qualifies as a cell number one it's it's a little bit own from and so she put it in the fridge. Anything you don't pick up with a wire on it with a cord. Market, right literally right. So did we ever did you ever determine how it got in the refrigerator typically not where you put us just noted that it was between the lettuce and soft drinks. I got together seems looking at me. She went to CAC lock like Holler neck. She seeks he loves the fagged that she founded. and. Admits Gay. I'm not going to go into how it ended up between, the lettuce. Coke's. One hundred dollars she put there. Yeah. Yeah. That's how maybe she walked in and got something put that thing and she shut the door and forgot that she had placed it that that's the only thing on several occasions I've opened. A shirt or something men thrown in the garbage and then. Carry. Way, she was on her way to the garbage don't to the to the. Train tracks and she said wait a minute Dan, went down there whether it's act she said my to put it in the trash. Can I said why would you do that well? Just, not thinking about put it. I'M GONNA. Go check. Well, I said well, let's give it one last shot get somebody call year. Let's walk right Y'all could hear it ring inside the fridge right. Own. Once. We ascertained that it was not inside the House I should say the film this. Similar. Down the ports and I heard a faint go. She's got you know amazing justice I remaining grace. Grace and we will listen for amazing grace. Ask. And I'm not it's under that table. We look on the table to now it's it's a little further this way I got out my earplugs. Patch notes at work at here you know. Ain't walking. So go ahead and we'll get down all migrated down. Come to the fair. Opened it. Up. Grace. How sweet graces come beaming out of? What we call people out that dynasty was made a oh. Yeah. That's amazing. Grace was too on the nose house we. I saw daddy prop another question I have to get an answer to now before we ever get back to down thirteen. So how much did your here is where you can hear an ant walking. How much did they cost? Do you remember like a thousand bucks? Five, thousand? Oh, five, thousand, five. Great. So my question is, why do you not? You never wear them unless you're like trying to hear that I mean what's what's the? Fox News is so loud I. Heard your little little. Outta you. Always wear when I have. Shotguns on my right we got six people seven people in a duck blind I try to get on one end so that you don't try you do it. You know you're. Going to end end 'cause that puts them on one side. Got You. But that side there it takes a beating. If you don't have ear protection, you know who says I ask someone do their make ear protectors to where I can steal here. It's my duck calls not too loud but for loud shows. The decibels, can they cut down the decibels? The woman said Oh there's no problem this Robertson we can do that. So I go up there and you know this chick, she tells you know what to do. It will shut off any kind of damage to your ear. It shuts down I get that always wear their right. So Bohana Anna all the rest of the time because then you could just hear all the time because now my hearing is Beyond probably lost a little bit through the year. But overall, I hear pretty well but I just don't watercolors the more damage at seventy four. I'm on disagree that what you do here you can hear and I do think it's the shotgun. But you brought up venturing interesting point I noticed that people that talk real solved when they're discussing the probe, they charge a lot of money. You think that doctors lawyers. Ear Specialists. They start talking like this that we ain't the Psychiatrist Council Insurance Salesman Yeah. Look. We're this is stockbrokers. Funeral. Home. Director. There's a lot of money that it's almost like being stroked. Just noticed that. Age Of. Getting slipped. Day is stroke them when they're in what are your smoke when they're hollered where he got used car salesman somebody. On the street. Cured it. It's what it calls the buck. Pena, the cheaper it is the louder they are I've just our say this in the world was shotguns to answer your question on that. That's right beside you and sometimes the amateurs we take people have once why not much but the but the experts when they start waving their gun barrel over towards you, it's paid off in many many times. I'm like who are glad to had this here and protect it all my theory is about why is the question? Is that the reason that doesn't wear here as all the time to hear all the stuff is he did he doesn't WanNa hear what's He likes to just tune out that World Gilead. Tune out like screaming children. I can tune no matter where. Are Once a little group of women who are Catlin Caitlin they keep? On tune about. Well. If you blow them up principle that works out because people are trying to take your money. There, whispering. Those conversations dead. When do anyway that was funny. So that was the inside baseball. So to speak of kind of with your podcast, you Kinda gave. You said light outlaw are light. There's like an idea. And it's light is ever stu you. I will say that many times if one of the soft-spoken types is talking to me, I've never heard of don't know her will come from I just in a moment of weakness it. Yeah and she starts when smooth. Passe hold on just a minute said Dan Commitment I said talk this woman see what see what she won't, and I'll just hand it off this handed off to somebody if I in a moment of weakness, get a hold a phone call that I'm like one of my doing here. She's talking about stuff I have no idea. How this or that group and you know we've. Great, news is we've got. Hey, wait a minute. Dan talked her. So Dan of walk away from me and come back and fifteen minutes and say, she just wanted to Felicia money. I just noticed that a ballgame people hollering you know. And then when I got some money which was most of my life, I didn't have any. So I was around people who are hollering at all times because to Iran, we used car salesman I'm know buying clunker trucks and they're they're hollering trying to get me to buy all on. I got some money then the tone went down. You know you meet with the stock here rednecks pretty they don't go around saying heart surgery. Yeah I mean it is a strong won't dudes. Ruffling. Coming. Along and everybody's talking. So now I've noticed when everybody's barely and I'm getting nervous. I'm like they better hold on wild ride. So I, think you can apply that to life and it'll help you see style people that you talk to. Now you've been. How're there they pretty pretty slick days if you just bring it on down where they're barely whispering. In. So that's when. Okay I'm getting all my stuff. I'm leaving. you start talking like maybe. And we'RE GONNA. Thanks. But no thanks I'm good and you know it's funny about that. Well. So one of our sponsors that had been with US long time I, have to give them Kudos because they were way ahead of the curve, it's called my Patriot supply and basically it's a four week supply of emergency food in this food last up to twenty five years and I don't know about y'all. But this year with hurricanes and everything has happened I had power how more. Than I have it. Well since I was a kid was out there on the river. Would you say the same thing Jay Oh yeah I mean hurricanes and It's just been. It's been a volatile year. Yeah there's going to be a lot of volatile years in the future so you wanna be able to check these guys out. Patriot. Supply Dot com they're going straight to your door lasts up to twenty five years. You get a four week supply that's map Patriot supply dot com. What's funny about that days is the the stock market itself is the Yellen I mean you've seen the you've seen the when they show the video of when they're actually trading stocks area each and. In saying CADDICK air the point man they got people say saying, give me this you. Say me but there's a guy in a dark ring the saw somewhere somewhere say I got my guy down there. What are all the pieces of paper on the floor of the Joe? All the little pieces because there it's covered with. Patients for the. I guess. So it's it's probably it's a big game I've seen. Admire you for joining that gang but I mean, it was a two year road We've got numerous people ever requested will win is GonNa help and I think one podcast. I should just we should do it on finances and I should just give you my way as a good other and because I'm a real person individual, there's very few of us in the market most of them are into institutionalized or are you making money at this endeavor lots of money? Because number one I have no fees because my team is there's three of us me myself and. My Dad. Doesn't bring the throng. Away. You do your research and there's a lot of data is so so. Want next next Thursday we we're doing employees got a one off podcast. We can you be ready to. And I'll tell you what I'm skyping his lover I don't have any. I'm not tied to any. If you end holly the one who sired you. Sire means get you hear a Childcare man to. Slip slip some cash to you. I would say era guards, what the outage. Over the Deel here's the deal you don't charge a fee. What are they got to lose? I. Mean I'm not charging myself affi. because. This is this is me there there have ways especially since November of last year, which would have been two thousand nineteen. Somebody. Well. Charles Schwab they said from now if you give us your money You can inves-. And trade stocks for zero dollars per transaction. So that Kinda revolutionize because they. That big Tom Yeah. So. Now, they're still companies that charge fee and that that that's just trading per trade most places you give them your money they invested in a safe way, but they at a nominal fee. and. So it's very hard to make money off the market anyway percentage wise and their goal usually is five to seven percent and most of these places. So really that what ten because you've got to pay them while if you we'd them, you're already free role and I mean you can buy to stocks with what a pretty good amount of it with what you're given them. So it's like if you cut down on all your losses now somebody's gotTa know what the heck they're doing, and that's why I said if I'd have known now what under then I'd never done it. because. It was too big but I'm so stubborn I want to take night classes I might learn how to read a balance sheet. I'm wanted to come familiar with the top one thousand in the world, but I'll we can do a podcast them. Next. I'll give you what I think and you know what this'll be read. What will we call it? Red rednecks market. We come up with a redneck riches redneck riches. That's pretty good. Yeah. All right. So that's the next Barca. So Limited advertiser. So so we we talked about last time we began to talk about a sermon operates last Sunday does one of the fun things for me is that we're studying John and preaching John. At W. Far, which has been great for me because Caffeine Kinda double study into this and we talked about mcguigan. In the he has a book called the Guy, the towel. So that's why in town my lesson. So I want to read this little section in get your take on it. So in the very beginning I said, here's how started this arm. So will we have person reader scripture for a kid or teenager? So she read the Scripture and so this is how and I said on the eve. Here's the setting the eve of the Passover feast in an upper room. The image of the invisible. God. The firstborn over all creation, the creator of all things in have an an owner earth invisible and visible. The one who is above all thrones, all powers, all rulers, all authorities, the one who is before all things and in him in whom all things hold together. The Alpha, the Omega, the first, the last, the beginning, and the in. Is this is the city he's down on his hands and knees washing the dirty feet of twelve of the most consistently confused young Jewish men the world has ever known. Pause. Announce it. Is that what is that where we're at here in this tax which is Colossians. One fifteen most of that camp where yeah which is in revelation it's so out. So I mean just think about that that struck me when I thought about those passing it's quite thought think the passages so Not Powerful it is powerful, but it's so beyond human comprehension. I think a Lotta Times and there was times in my early life. where I just couldn't go down the possibility that someone like that existed because then even if every one of those small points that are true Gosh one years. Thank he holds all things together Made all things made all. He's the beginning and the end, the Alpha and Omega is. A Edema now this unbelievable. Being the supposed to be believable. With with all that power and Mike. Is Now a servant and trying to show them that I'm going to provide the cleansing. which to me is the point of John Thirteen, which is why I get. So frustrated when I hear sermons or hear other people think that there's somehow another they're going to cleanse themselves. You hear it and stuff like when I get my life straight I'll come to Jesus but. Will you missed? That's not going to happen. That's just some la you've told yourself. Exactly. In fact, in verse one, he said having loved his own who were in the world. Talk Matt His disciples and in anybody loved. Now showed them the full extent of his love and some of the earlier manuscripts that narrow you see and translates and said, he loved them to Ian to the last. The that you think is dumber two calls. Yeah. I think stomach this is the moment right I mean because he's he's on the eve of the moment I mean this recent changes the whole world he's going to die in these going to be put into the to become less. He told them this over and over correct he told you. Often wondered about that phrase the full extent of his love weddings exactly that no, that's really good I. I think it means that to the utmost that and to the idea that he's obviously God. But he's saying I. Love You so much I'm about to get down on my knees and wash your feet and eventually die. That's why on back to their because you've heard people off had buddies who are like. Love like he's having problems with his wife and he's learning. Dafur her but they throw that around like and I'm thinking now you would. It just it's something it's easier said than done but there's funny that would be the full extent if you gave your life even though you're going to get it back. How could you get any better? It's funny. So that is trying to find my notes so at. Some point in my sermon I think was the end of it. I said you know people say that like I didn't know you had said. So I said you'll. They'll say I'M GONNA give my I would give my life for my wife. What I was ninety nine point nine percent of your life. You will not have an opportunity to physically give your laugh for another person. I mean that happens a little bit. You know Amazon time-to-time but I said one hundred percent of the time. You have an opportunity spiritually give your life day and it starts with a woman or man lead next to you your spouse your children, and then anybody you meet as you go out. I mean. That's the idea about you lay your life down for someone Jesus did physically. But he also does it spiritually because it is consistent, the night does one good to remember. He's doing this knowing they're all sinful man. That's right. One thing is to die for a good person. I think it said somewhere Romans Yeah Pas. Few Times. Good man you dare to die might possibly today but but but if you're an enemy. An enemy comes a little tougher to die for the. Rally. Knowledge is that some people do die for other people, but he's like, but when you lay your washing their feet, that's one thing. But you say he's prepared and he knows he's going to do he's going to stop them right? Well, that kind of brings it into a little bit of. Context. Exactly. What's interesting about you brought up mcguigan is that I'm kind of in the same triangle because here we are. Doing a podcast where we use John as the main. Theme, the vehicle guests to share Jesus which are we're looking at the attributes and characteristics of Jesus. That's why it's such. A powerful statement galoshes won't thing because. They feel they somebody labeled that the primacy of Christ which was pretty good Title Z. Agree with it but. I go way back. I'm not sure how we got to know each other, but we'll you know he's in his eighties. And I said I need to write a book. On. Basically what we're doing in the podcast nuts and bolts of going through John Because I, I'm. I'm constantly reading John and when I go do my speeches. My invitation, which is so different than a normal preacher I I'll. Say Well I use. I got this from feel feels like my Noah like a preacher but actually not but I'll add I'll say I'm a believer because I'm disarming them about all the different denominations and religious groups and I'm like I believe Jesus is the son of God. And I introduced Jesus to whoever the audience is whether they're law save charge of worldly event whatever. But at the end, my invitation is not I don't say a prayer I don't talk to them about being baptized. I don't even talk to him about changing our live I say the same thing I said you go home. because. That's where we need Jesus more than any place that I know you go to your house. Find Your Bible read the book John and see what Jesus is don't ask. Don't. Ask You buddy you. Look at him and say. Yes Sir your day. And so that that's the thrust of my my speeches. So I thought I'll write a sermon and I asked mcguigan. said. Would you like to be involved in this and he? Of course he's in his witty curse we're GONNA email. Is. Witty way he's like you know I'm in my eighties Jay's. Buddy said I don't mind. Consulted though as funny as men another guy who I love in Alabama won't say his name 'cause we'll. We'll. We'll wait their turns out. So we're collaborating, but it's hard to write with someone, and so we started off with an introduction course our trying to do is get to John and we're using from the pike. So I sent him the introduction and look I didn't love it. So I knew this baby, he may be like. I don't know Jay's so he sends back the. In. The first paragraph is the most flowery. I've ever seen from him. He was like friendship. I've often thought about our friendship and it's just I believe it's God directed and then it hit me about thirty minutes though. Oh he doesn't like. Because he's telling about that what I'm fixed say. Our French. For the next Spring Avenue said, honestly, this is not good. said. You need to start over and write something that nowhere near this. Which is why he? Right and Salah arseny blonder how hard it is to write a book? Yeah. I was like you know, I appreciate 'cause I did. But he was more impressed with how I respond to the withering barrage of you're going the wrong way. I'll. I was like what and he had more detail to. Smart because he's written a lot of books. Let's take. So I wanna read you. The first thing he said in this chapter does you'll love this. It says, this is the God who wore the towels his this chapter in his book the Goethe there were thirteen men in the upper room that night twelve lords and one servant. As that was the yes. Away Rice Brittany Ralph the bat just reading into and he's right in their minds and then he about it. So it's Matthew twenty two. Now, Luke twin to in Luke twenty two mcguigan pointed out and I didn't think about until until I read the chapter that it gives you you twenty two that the disciples on that night. And I don't know if this before after I'm Shirley it had to be before. Jesus. Do what he did. They were arguing amongst themselves as who was going to be the greatest in the kingdom. In that moment which. mcguigan didn't say this but I thought I thought you know Luke is the only one that mentions it. John doesn't mention it. Matthew doesn't mention it and then mark who's basically peters scribe. Peter's view of it from the book mark none of them mentioned because I thought they were probably to embarrassed mention that I. mean like they were arguments themselves. So my first point in my in my sermon. was that there were three mindsets in the moment we're looking at here. There were three months as one and I got this from Wigan the it was that they were they were. Who's going to be the greatest amongst and arguing about it amongst themselves? The second one was Judas because we read about him that he's making his decision follow through with everything and then later in the evening Satan Anderson that's in that context. So then you've got that going on. And then you got Jesus and some of the stuff that he was thinking about just blew my mind. It's all right there in the first reverses he knew his time had come to do exactly what you said. He knew he was leaving he says it says there. He knew about what was going on with Jesus. You know he knew that was happening and Yeti washed his feet anyway which incredible to me I mean he he was about to betray him and he did that and then it says he knew who he was. He knew he was he knew God. HAD GIVEN HIM A. All power. So he realized that I thought about John Jesus was outside of time. And then he put himself inside. Tom. and become a person. And then he had space now. That, he would always have when he left here. He's always going to have space. He's always going to have a body score five now plus. Changed in eternity, it would make it a little easier. To understand from his viewpoint. He He. He knew that God put all things under his power. That's a lot of power as a lot of power and that he had come from God. And was returning to So. If, you the do something and it's brutal. It's brutality like you've never seen put on one person and he's washing the feet they're out of all the people that have been sentenced with that kind of course. Thank. The father had basically sent him into a situation they were. Never having made a mistake, you are sentenced to die. A horrible death right? I mean with all that in mind and he's washing the feet of the ones he's fixing to die for. No He's return to God. Man I. I don't know a lot of people come up and say Z's is the Bible stuff. But how does somebody invent that kind of person? Well, of course, it wasn't true. How do you invent that? You can't and what I thought about was it wasn't necessarily the foot wash that was their culture. That's what servants is somebody else washed your feet when you came into their house. It wasn't just the foot washing although that certainly because in our cultures people don't washing Bisphenol, you wash your feet but it was the idea that that this guy that made a serves us that like he's willing to get on his knee that that's what he said and then he says at the end the reasoning, you don't even understand this. You don't you don't even know what's going. You don't even know why I'm doing this but one day. You're going to know because Al he had to do it that way because you would never think victory. In a human mind, you would never think we ought to know the story. So we think it right but victory never comes from defeat. It never comes for surrender. I'm competitive as they come. I cannot stand people who quit if I had the idea that you're quitting or that you're like, Hey, guys nullis just the Serb each other might go play for somebody else you know we're we're attack take everything out. One more man was in on this discussion. I Wish Thomas Jefferson. was here. Over. Divers missed the resurrection. His Bible. He the last thing he said? Our witness accounts, Jesus Christ died on the Cross and I'll turn the next page. And I. Should Thomas Come? He just couldn't buy I wanted to say this fully end. McGregor and he he a smarty worse. mcguigan has a has a site where they think it's on youtube but they. Whether you call it a channel page or Check. So you. Know the lingo but he had called reflection so and it's mainly for preachers and. Theologians he's a real smart guy I mean, like if you pull one up, there's just a few views or or whatever. But they're really in with that accident where's whereas from Asian Ireland. Ireland and but once you kind of figure out his personality. 'cause some what he's saying he's being sarcastic or whatever, but I. You know the obligation to a lot of those but I wanted to bring this this this point up because he brings up, this were here was Jesus it says Satan entity. Because and he has some really good ideas on the role of the evil one. From his study but. That you read on that. I. I that Jesus is the image of the invisible, God? Dot Dot dot, etc etc. The the one is not. He doesn't have the qualities that makes God. Who He is he's not eternal. He's not alone is not all powerful he's not all and he makes the point. He did a whole series on that is what brought up brought that up as that he believes that we give him way too much credit authority and power for terrible decisions that we make. Now in this case, Yeah Satan himself Inner Judas, and because he thought this is a game changing moment I'm gonNA use defeat. To to win that's what he did. That's what says he was a killer and accuser from the beginning if you were calls in too much trouble for him k but God used that his knowledge of his creation. Satan, was a created being with the ability to choose just like we are so. He used that against him to ultimately destroy his work, and now that's why there's a confidence in being end. Jesus that when he says, you resist the one what does he? Runs like a coward. So I just one. Yeah. That's a good point. Good Point. So close it with this. He says in. Verse Fifteen set you have set an example that you should do as I've done for you. This tells us out of that's why I did. This they need says the last name says says you will be blessed if. You do them which are anytime. I see if in the. Action Call US and so I want to close with this Peter. Didn't want him to wash wash his feet. Here's later, Peter? Because he said you'll understand this later here's what Peterson I, Peter Four, ten each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others as faithful stewards. I love this phrase as faithful stewards of God's grace in its various forms. So Peter got it obviously, but I love the ad I'm a long wife isn't that rame saying hey, you know what? Jesus comes up to. Are you going to wash feet and he says, yeah, do so. Yes. Obviously. I got the here. He he says, no. I mean think about how brassy that is all the things that I would probably say no to because he misunderstood he was like man I gotta misunderstood. I've been like Oh. That's all right I'm good I have to admit. The walk who was a preacher here that went on the Texan you know away. Mountain route one time coming there and he pointed me out and I must admit I kind of had the attitude of Peter Yeah. He said I'm going to wash she. said. He's he's forgotten. No, I don't like. I would like another all I would like another man touching my feet. Let me just say I didn't think I was worthy of the dads was more of the same reason Peter Moores, guys worthy of foot washing. Is that I did stop and I will have to admit. I'm just sit there but it was a humbling experience and I've seen it done. I hate to brush your bubble. You know I picked you you had perhaps. The ones I've seen, you had the ugliest feet on the plant that I've say though that in to. Wash your mother's feet before but other than that. She has the tiniest speed. Moore. Others out it's not something you volunteer to do out, which is what that's why he used that example. So this is why the unashamed pie guesses. So Piper because we talk about. and. Then we close with that has the ugliest fees validated. Argue you. Didn't disagree. He's got some bunion issues. We'll see go barefooted for years. When you're young. You peak there's there's consequences. That's So. I'll I'll leave this. 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Passion Business Podcast  Episode 17: Parul Banka  Storytelling Coach

Passion Business Podcast

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Passion Business Podcast Episode 17: Parul Banka Storytelling Coach

"<music> welcome to the passion business podcast the podcast for free spirits favorites who want to turn their passion into business. I'm uncle herman and i'm your host for today's episode. My guest is part of banka. She's storytelling coach and cheese on a mission to help fellow coaches sparkle through their personal stories. She shares how going through cancer herself has helped her create the life that really likes her up enjoy. Hello hoddle bunker. I ask you how to pronounce sued. I hope i got it right. Welcome to the passionate business costs and i'm very excited to have you here. I think it's a pleasure to be here now. Puddle share with our listeners a little bit about yourself where you from originally where you live now and what's your the business. Would you do now so mining spot bunke as university shared with the listeners. I'm originally from india and i live in the beautiful do the coaches london in the u._k. What do i do. I am a storyteller and i am a storyteller on a mission. Should my mission is to help. Fellow coaches sparkled through their books on stories. That's how i seat. I want to help my fellow coaches purpose through their personal stories. Why do i do that too because i believe that our stories are unique message when we share share it. When we share a unique message in the form of on christmas story we connect with our audience we build trust and credibility deep in a world of coaches so essentially to a plus news story. We stand out from the crowd because you and i know oh that mandy don't share a story what happens we become the crowd and that's something that none of us wants to do as an entrepreneur gore or as a coach so so yeah that's it <hes> v become the crowd it shows up in business in all kinds of ways fewer coins and definitely not the freedom to work with the kind of clients that we want to work loss of freedom because via overrode tweet <unk> stressed and there is less join what we do. We end up working to the edge of sanity so there's lots of freedom. There's lots of confidence confidence. There is loss of financial gain and as a result of all of this because we are not sharing a story we are not able to build a business that you want in the process and as a consequence of this we stop seeing and hearing ourselves because how can we expect someone else to see inure us when we do not see endure us and as i said that has an implication on the motivation in confidence and the willpower to show up consistently to build a business that we desire to build that that's that's so much paul all stuff in there just just from from you know from the beginning. I don't even know where to stop. It was the thing that would be out for me right justin was how can we expect somebody else nice to hear us when we can't hear us when we don't so true isn't implications nations it has get yep lots of entrepreneurs lots of culture stanton that they're just not dingo video or they're just putting their message out in the form of false but actually that's a very small part of it. There's a huge trepidation and because if you don't put your message out ain't nobody gets to know about you if nobody gets to know about you. Nobody sees in years you if nobody sees in his you. You don't get those clients. You'll lose out on solving people making that difference that you set out to me and feel one tori games yeah in terms of monitor gains and people really need your health fitness out because they don't get the help. They need so not putting message out. The head is a lose lose situation. We do a disservice not just to ourselves. When we don't share a story we also do a disservice to appliance who oh could benefit from our allies it especially in such a personal professionally for coaches web where is it isn't just not selling just shows that everybody else sells now like there's so much all all i'll cells as as pus that comes in there will that that is the main reason somebody hires your doesn't hire you if they connect with you as a person and if they connect with you a story i think that's how that's how somebody chooses a coach which i don't think i've ever asked anybody for you know like where did you do to coach trading. No was like no i really like you. You know and i feel you get me and that's why i wanna work with you. That's why i think this near case or so alison because there are so many people who have that feel paul getting this story out there but i think it starts even earlier. When this that all i don't my life isn't interesting yeah. I don't have a story yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah all the time all the time and if there's somebody who's listening to this podcast and thinking yea yeah good for you but i have a boring story or i have a normal life. I do not have an extraordinary life than i want you to to know that every story is important offering story is inspirational to somebody in this world turn now. I imagine when you went to school you go to schools alco when i finish school like when i grow up i wanna be a storytelling coach matt dillon. I'm gonna know what what occurred for other now. Tell us how did you get to where you are now. Okay so what's my story exactly. I had a typical michael upbringing which was due the school. Good college go to a study well what called get a good job. Whoa whoa quail in the corporate world. Get good ratings. Get good bonuses promotions and that's life. I left and it was beautiful life. I'm <music> fakery from that. I enjoyed it but with the benefit of hindsight i can also see that it was on autopilot. The diapers running on took took took until in the week of my thirty four day. I was diagnosed with the most aggressive passive kind of breast cancer and that's when my life changed so i did what i had to to get through cancer the whole trail off off the treatment and the therapies off it but honestly in that long journey in in the first six months. I didn't really know if i would make it if i if i were treating survived this ordeal and so what really kept me going going on. It's that uncertainty and feel wants a promise that i made myself everyday that defined make it to the other side. I do everything in my power to live the rest of my life as joyfully. I'm meaningfully as possible so so finding joy and meaning. That was the hope that was the aspiration that i kept living full and i did make it to the other side kalonzo. Thank you very grateful for that. Second opportunity that i got at life because i know that auguste fortunate so when i did survive concept it was time for me to keep the promise that i had made myself and as part of that promise to to find more choi in meaning in the rest of my life no matter how longer shot it would be. I wanted to make some conscious decisions so i decided you bet i would stop living in that autopilot and i would start living more consciously and so change in work was apart of that what decision it was. A consequence of that decision bitter night said i freely enjoyed <unk> in the favorites talent management and h._r. And learning controls in the corporate world and i used to bit of coaching there but it was more of <unk> coaching trying to retain an crew talent in the organization insulation from their dads. No i really want to do proper <unk>. Coaching the puts transformation coaching onto i'd always been a passionate about sharing personal stories because i grew up in an extremely patriarchal society and even if on my basic needs were met and i had a great life i understood that even if on needs met if we are not seen an hood and validated as people it keeps us small it it it robs us of sparkle trump's us of our shine and so when i decided to to change my life after cancer i said i'm going to stop working for the corporate world as an employee and i'm going to focus on something that prince knee choi completely which is coaching and sharing coastal story and that's how i became telling coach wjr site that had a bit of coughing fit the it's incredible how such a health's puts things into perspective and i think when we're on autopilot we don't really notice it. I think you don't even know it until you hit some sort of war. That is true that is true because you're part of the story. That's that's something you live every day. So that's moment for you and i don't think we sort of we brought up to even question western that yet another what would really stood out was when you said you wanted to live your life consciously chesley unconsciously choose how you wanna spend your time and what you get and that unfortunately anyway. I don't think we ever nobody ever but i think most people don't start asking themselves really want and live until something happens that shakes up you know a the future that is true onkar. I completely agree with that because i was that person who just imports and and stop to listen to what i really wanted and i just kind of did what look normal to me and that normal was was what i had learned through my social and cultural conditioning you through the authority figures in my life so that was moment for me and i was living living that life but but actually as a human being as a person i wanted something more something different and i decided that that's exactly what i pursue in my office concentrates and how did you she get okay. You were already doing some coaching in in your corporate joel. How how did you discover that storytelling in public speaking that that's your thing because that's another thing where i think a lot of even new coaches you know go around a few loops before you sort of find your thing even would immig which won't so i i would say that <hes> data pots what's to this question. One is the whole how did i start connecting with public speaking. How did i understand. Storytelling was my pain and the second part is how long or how long did i take to actually arrive at this so public speaking something that i mean into infer vaillant in a small my opticals i had only been in roles where i had to not speaking speaking to live audiences smaller groups even to large audiences of up to two thousand people i have been a very active toast monster and completed the anti program distinguished <unk> to- small step so i know i always knew that speaking something that makes me come alive it in front of crowds and good. Thank you see these new. It was my pain but from a business perspective if <hes> if we go back to the concept of niche <hes> in business i would say i took a wide to get that because when i started to when i decided that i would work as a coach i said oh i'm going to what i'm good at so it's going to republic speaking speaking but idle trained and qualified as a proper coach and then. I thought oh this has me thinking in my head. Oh if i get into public speaking does that. I become a trainer because what i really want to do is to more of coaching enormous training trainy so i spent some time understanding that and it can get the option of a what is it exactly that i won't do. Am i going to become they come. Just from the public speaking trainer who teaches people body language and moist modulation and the hell righteous fox features feel audience or is immortal it is there more to it in terms of coaching and what is getting in your way. What is the inner story. That's that's kicking in and from there. It'll it blocked me to the tonight said now actually public. Speaking is is a tool but what i really want to do is help pitsea be seen and heard. I would have had never shared a story. Shed that message because what we do. What we have to say is bigger than what we do. Most of the people here on out on a mission and i wanted to facilitate that mission that they are on that's my mission and <hes> on so to not work that i did myself entered with the help of my coaches. I decided that i would eventually focus on storytelling coaching because it fought in the two things that i was really passionate about the speaking ask phyllis personal transformation so the inner story thus the actual coaching work and the outer store. That's the storytelling out of speaking. That's brilliant. I never i never looked at it before. You have to make some sense. It custom make sense the the whole inner story concept has to go hand-in-hand with the outer story because when most people say that taught donald sharing that story with the world or in a simpler language when people say we're scared of <unk> speaking actually what they really scandal <music> being judged by the people who listen to what they're really worried off is a hike jamaica fool of fisher. I'm going to come mm across a silly. Are people going to think. I'm not good enough. Will they start loving me less. Will i have less authority if it's a team or an an officer corporate setting they're talking about and it is actually that in a story so it is that in story that talks them out of sharing the out of story so i we always have to go within once. We sought out diana stories. That's when we can go out and share a story. That's so true and i it equals equally applies to all sorts of other things people might i wanna do because when when you mentioned the things have helped people back from all the troubles for public speaking cool. That's exactly the same thing that holds people back from you know from growing the business all full from moving country if that's what they wanna do that was sniffing whereas comes back to the same thing and no imagine what you wanna do until you realize until you recognized a story for a story for what again it'll get in the way sordid some kind of fear. That's going to prevent people from moving ahead and i think that's where my own cancer experience was really hopeful in helping me more folate. I'm not saying it was easy and i'm not saying that i was immediately able to move forward. No i wasn't able able to immediately get on with my life. I took a lot of time in a i did struggle bought when i went through cancer the definition shen of fear and courage and loss that completely changed for me in student worrying about what will people say what if i fail it will that whole aspect of what's the worst that can help exactly puts it all in perspective. Doesn't it blitz african infiltrative. Yeah you know when you compare when you compare the question of well. Am emma going to be around six months from now. You know like that one of the something if you if you put next to that like rule somebody they will think i'm stupid well you. You know that's your problem and had been minded. Meal also also from the couch thing. It's like how how seeing things from a different perspective because so many times when there's this when you know i don't know i'm going to have the confidence for example right and the whole thing was about the journey not in business and this and that and and the one thing people people would come back to afterwards hang on a second blunt you just quit your job to different countries and started you know your business there and just nick and it was not and then there was pose and then it was like oh i love to do that and then all the butts i time is not but there was that sense of i wouldn't have the courage to do that and it got me like i don't know i i just that was supposed to be courageously. Never occurred to me because my mind wind. I could patent to getting out of east germany in yes okay getting out of there knowing knowing that if and when you never know you'll be out you get you actually get to the side. You know this is a one way ticket like you leave behind you. At the siegen. Get no nothing he well yeah that was there was moored state fain you too just some inspiration and see what happens like that didn't feel like quiet courage gentle because for my uncle my my perspective there was just nothing snake was like well out so walk go somewhere else but then it also meant that there was no plan b. You i'll have to make it look. I also whether it's still time to think of plan b if it doesn't work out well then i don't have you know like the border didn't close close behind me. You know i'm not liking it in spain. Well grab my bag and go somewhere else. I'll go back. All you know so. That was really that sense of this. It's it's just an experiment in this nothing at stake and that different perspective is amplified. If if you'll it's on you know so this dislike off the bat you'll be the most wages personal because like anything is kind of like yes award compared to that that reminds me actually eight and a half years ago my husband of shaken i had done executive taught. We left our lush jobs and otto bats and to the u._k. Because we wanted to experience turnpike's we slept chops and we were doing really well. In korean fewer well settled and we were in jobs that would would consider successful but we said we would just do it and they were people who thought we were crazy. There were people who taught to oh my god what's wrong with these people all kinds of speculation and judgment and fear but we took the meek because often. That's the only way to find out whether something's going to work or not. That's so true on a log that what what was the trigger. Oh the trigger was a bishop wanted to do a decree from an international university so we had both done n._b._a.'s but we had <hes> an m._b._a. From india so in order to because he wanted to study from an international university he applied at the university of cambridge and got selected and and as i like to say he got selected say he was joining the unit as a student and i just signed along and and say yes so we chest wanted to experience a different life but it chose how you didn't well so you know there were like all wanted probably would have had like nervous moments but the focus was on what else since now or what what can be gained or how how can we explored possibilities rather than hanging. It also be alive bringing on to what we've already got. Not you can't fans. Mindset is what makes the yeah yeah in order to move forward ah to be excited about the future. We have to be to be excited about what is going to come and there comes a point. Today we have to let go of the year because if we keep holding onto what we know people just not to forward because because we would still be holding onto what we are familiar with it so so you'll be we did get to a point. We said we would let go off the world casino and we will take the punch and see how it works out. That's amazing i didn't i didn't know that on the such and the thing is also if if you have the the sense of you know i wanna make the most of this you know that's when i think find the couch to do it because i think for example from the mom she likes to know what snakes and you know and she you know that trouble but my parents trouble a lot but it's more like holidays but then come back to that to that base and don't really throw themselves into the unknown you know the thing is not unhappy with it like that designed the lives like that and so i would never try and convince them. I'm crazy crazy things. I'm just thinking it's been crazy idea in your mind already you can lead love to them that way of looking at it to see what you can gain and how you can grow and how you can expand expand your world is the way the way to look at it lava than focusing all the things that you know that might that might go on talking about jews. What's my heading. I have actually is redefined. How i'm going to serve the people on here to serve and that means that i've prepackaged my services in in a different way so what may be offering unto lau was at the lower end it was the online courses and at the higher went ahead a high ticket program which i for one on one until there was a clear account in the in terms of what if you still want to work with me but about two are not traded for that high ticket one on one invested so i'm now actually launching my crook coaching program fearing ugly head beeper stories because what i recognizes there so many people who need to actually step out and stop sharing their stories and be we need help in denison hunt holding in doing it as they start sharing their stories so i'm going to launch around on launching a crippling crank varied i wonder headed as many people as possible as many coaches and on news as possible in sharing sharing their story and i'm going to price this program less than one hundred pounds so that everybody anybody you can want anybody who wants to do it can actually trump on and do it with me and i'm going to give people attempted a structure that works no matter what they do and what they life experiences have been and to that is also going to be a great tool for them to evaluate if writing a story something that they want to invest in if thus the they want to date and then they can always come back and we can work on a deeper and more intense hence journey so i'm really really excited about my truck coaching program and i'm going to start offering my online courses again so i hadn't been offering them for a while. Now took a break because of how i was restructuring everything but now there's going to be crew coaching program and online nine coastas again and augustine the the one on one program for me signed fe they excited about all saints sounds fabulous so where can people go to find brings to get in touch with you to find out more about you. People can find me to my website right which is w._w._w. Dot caramel coaching dot com as you can probably. I'm a foodie. That's my name is carol coaching and i love sweet so that's one place people can find me on social media on via toward faithful bendon so that's the way to get get in touch and finally get in touch with me is through email my immunised pottery bunker at carbon coaching dot com so that's another i want to go and put all the links in the show notes people to find well that was happiness and testing. I know which were to who to pick but they both it was lovely to have you. Thanks so much for sharing your incredible story and i hope to tune soon again you so much for her meow. It has been an absolute pleasure talking to you. Thank you bye. Thanks for listening to the passion business if you enjoyed this episode don't forget to see the next one.

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"You're listening to serious inquiries on and hello and welcome to series. This is episode two hundred nine and it's me me. I so Jamie didn't quite have enough time to do a bonus honest when I wanted to do an extra episode and I no fault of Jamie's. She has stuff to do and it's just easier rather than trying to find another time schedule. They'll actually be easier for me to tackle a few questions that were more just for me or voicemail that actually you'll see. I have a couple of voice mail that I wanted to just play and on their own in in like there's no need to comment because they say great stuff and they have voices that are not mind that I wanNA platform so that's a perfect thing to play when when Jamie's unable to make it because we weren't gonNA comment too much on them anyway. We're just GONNA Kinda. Let them stand so I'm GonNa do that. I'm going to tap a few questions that are more specific to me because I just WanNa make sure we touch on so many of these great messages and emails and stuff that I am getting so here goes. It's a bonus episode. SAR The Jamie's not here. I miss her probably more than you guys do. I love recording with Jamie and she loves doing it as well but schedule-wise this is just just going to be much easier so why don't we start off with a voice message from Ari here we go hi. Thomas and Jamie this is Ari and I am calling in or I guess recording in about your episode about Contra points and the things that she said on twitter and so called cancelled culture culture. I I wanted to say that I appreciate the way that you handled the topic as far as not really making strong stance one way or the other as far as whether her her feelings or opinions were correct or deserved the ire that they got or anything like that. I was really conflicted about the way that you you handled it at first because I was hoping to hear SIS allies come out very strongly against what she said as being harmful to non binary people bill but then as I heard more the episode and thought about it more I realized that I would rather not set up a system where six people are calling being out trans people for having wrong feelings or thoughts and invalidating their experiences and that that should be left up to the Trans Community so because I am a certified non binary. Tm I am now here to tell you why what she said was really shitty and wrong uh-huh so caveat. I don't use twitter hooray. I never have so. I didn't see this unfolding. I didn't see the comments almonds that she got all that. I saw were screen shots of some of what she said and probably not all of it so I'm going based on that and I'm not saying saying that all of the responses that she got all correct like I don't know if she got like death threats or something like that I don't know so I'm not commenting on that so basically from what understand what she said at first was that when she's in a group of people and they're introducing pronouns she feels uncomfortable with that because as the only trans person they are it makes her feel other. It makes her feel like they're doing it just for her and she just wants to be accepted. That opinion would be valid but there are several things wrong with it first of all. She's making the assumption that she's the only trans person there which she doesn't know you can't tell a trans person just by looking necessarily early so her assuming that she's the only trans person they are and that's why they have to introduce pronouns is just false. It's incorrect She doesn't know that she's he's the only transportation there and there may be other people there who would benefit from having others know their pronouns upfront just because they look a certain way doesn't mean that there are certain gender under or that the pronouns that you think they have are the ones that they actually have so. That's that's based on her old school assumption that you can tell transpeople by looking which isn't the case and I think probably the more important part from a non binary person's perspective is that when she says that non binary people having onto announced pronouns makes it harder for me as a binary trans person what I hear is a non binary person. Is I wanNA keep my privilege. I know that it it might sound weird to refer to trans people as having privilege but there are some ways that binary trans people do have privilege edge over non binary people and then vice versa there are also ways that non binary people have privilege over binary transpeople and one of the ways that binary people have privilege. Lidge over non binary people is that there is a chance that their pronouns will be correctly assumed whereas for most non binary people that is never going to happen if we don't step step up and say what are pronouns are we will get mis gendered except in cases of non binary people who do use binary pronouns which exists but I'd say most host non binary people are these day them or some form of Neo Pronoun so if we don't go around the circle and say what pronouns are nobody. Nobody's going to gender s US correctly and what Natalie what I hear. Her saying is well. I look a certain way so you should know what my pronouns are and that's not a privilege that non binary people people get to have so like if I were to talk to her about it I'd say like I'm sorry that you're uncomfortable but you gotta get over it like you know it just because your trans doesn't mean that you don't have to be uncomfortable to help people with even less privilege than you like like like white. People have to be uncomfortable when they confront racism like sorry. That's that's. That's just how it works. You gotta be uncomfortable. I'm sorry you gotta get over for it. Plus that wasn't the only stuff she said and she also said some pretty shitty and invalidating stuff towards non binary people in general and if you are going to claim to be an advocate for the Trans Community. You can't be doing that shit. That's fucked up yeah I mean that's my perspective as an binary person and I could talk more about cancelled culture her in how I don't even think it's really a thing I think it's a right wing propaganda term but I won't because I've already gone on for a very long time. So that's my perspective. I'm not speaking on on binary people but I'm speaking for myself and what I believe the majority of non binary people believe and if you want to talk about this or other non binary Mary issues more either on or off the air. hit me up. I would be glad to chat with humour SIA. Thanks so much. Ari a really appreciate it. That's perfect. It can just let that stand but we can also add. I got to Ari and ask them if they wanted to comment on Natalie's apology. Oh Gee so I'll get to that. I will say though quickly yeah I I have heard from lots of trans people on this and that that's from you know Let me see if I the red terminology so that's from binary and non binary transpeople and I am really hearing a big diversity views. I'm gonNA also read an email from a non binary diner person. I got that I thought was was also really good and this might just be one of those things where there's some tension here and we got to do our best to you know we all have to do our best. I heard from a AH several transpeople several okay Binary Trans people who talked about the struggle with this Fauria that that they have when someone doesn't just use the pronouns that they're they want to have and yeah it's tough. I don't know what the answer is but I wanted to present kind of everything I got or some. Good sources says that got so thanks so much for writing in and so what should I do. I let's see why don't I also read this email and then we'll get to controversies apology and stuff so got an email. It was very long. I can't read the whole thing sorry for that but I think I can read a good portion here so this this is from Nessie who is non binary and they sent a like. I said a very long one but I think this'll be good. Hey Thomas a couple of deeper responses to your episode. The issue with win and the non binary community is a manifestation of a really old issue. She and I are nearly the same age I think he's one year older than me and we were both probably shaped by the same in kinds of trans communities but our experiences have been wildly different because she's binary. I'm not it's part of the reason why I'm trans elder in my non binary communities at at the tender age of thirty older transpeople did not want to include us because there is a perception that are confusing ill illegibility to six people would harm arm their political efforts and our visibility would create the very gender scrutiny that win experiences now and that is a legitimate thing for which I have great sympathy with win and very similar to the way Lasantha was talking about it. I was identifying non binary way before I discovered the words. Ford and and my peers were some of the first to take those words that we discovered in academia onto tumbler and have conversations about them etc.. I generally see all of the new words words and new pronouns as a massive positive given how many other genetic and biological factors were learning are literally unique from person to person. Why wouldn't it be the case that gender would be the same way. What people do you know that have the same idea of what being a man or a woman means doesn't it stand to reason that a few of US would not be well served by those two concepts concepts even at their most flexible but even given my regard for all the new words ideas and how positive I generally see all these developments even I experienced whiplash with how fast changes have happened and I also have been excluded. quote unquote cancelled from very close friends and community spaces of of which I don't have many because I've argued against instances of twitter dog piling that really were just harassment with a paper thin layer of righteous feeling over it as justification advocation that kind of exclusion and purity vetting has become extremely common in my communities largely. Thanks to the rise of outright etc harassment tactics tactics like rating and infiltrating so you know complicated situation that said because there's so much history here inner trans history that I recognize recognizes basically invisible to non transpeople and I wouldn't expect you to know but I do also wonder if it might not have been better to find someone else's an example. Perhaps illegitimate perhaps legitimately intimately or not but that's something worth considering. I think it was a perfect. I think it was particularly good decision to also bring up as recline. Tallahassee coats to broaden the conversation. I also thank the way these platforms are designed really can only encourage engagement. That's very one note twitter is designed for dog piling back before these platforms were so huge on the Internet where I encountered so many of those transpeople that shaped me and that also probably either reflected slash influence the communities around win. You can have longer conversations sations. The really teased out nuances which is critical to trans experience. We are less a single community and more a constellation of many communities who are loosely connected through experiences of exclusion. We have commonalities but nothing for us is universal platforms like facebook and twitter do not lend themselves to that kind of experience there sort of designed for universality and the illusion that a couple of people can speak for a whole sub populace. It isn't great great. It contributes to y being transgender in public is a recipe for Neo Nazi bait right now and it also means that the conversations that desperately we need to happen between Non Binary and Binary folks that this situation has kind of perfect for is now hijacked by the idea w and that makes it so much harder to actually have such conversations all right. I know that was long. Thanks for bearing with me so that's that was not about half the email but it was very good. It was just so much good info there. thank you so so much to Nessie for that email just another non binary perspective there. It's to my ear does kind of go along with what Arias saying to and I think in the first episode I did the links provided were probably more contra points friendly non binary sources so definitely a diversity of views but but I'm I'm glad to get to very good responses from my non binary friends in Nessie and are there so thank you so much for that now the follow up with Ra I want I read Contra Princes apology so here's an update on that. Situation Contra points twitter became reactivated in this was per hour probably a week ago by now she's a few days. After the the whole thing is maybe maybe they might have been the next day or two after we recorded that episode and it says hi idea activated my twitter last week intending to take a longer break than this but since commentators journalists etc have began using my absence and silence as an opportunity you to speak for me. I feel like after say something my discomfort with gender neutral language and explaining my pronouns does not outweigh the needs of other trans non binary very and gender non conforming people. I regret ESPEC- expressing my feelings in a Glib way that did not convey the importance of those needs it saddens ends me that this mistake has been exploited by other public figures to attack a non binary people dude for rather attack non binary people. Thank you to those of you. You have criticized me in a measured way and constructive way. I will try to do better. I have decided that twitter is not a good platform for me and I have turned this account over to my assistant. Gwen who will will manage it from now on C. on Youtube in Instagram Natalie so yeah I just for my part when I said like what would be a good idea. This this certainly to me is like this. I'm not talking about the apology but just this course of action of having someone manage your twitter like that was one of two things you can either just tweet lead out how you feel and and largely ignore mentions because it's just impossible insurers popular as Natalie win is on twitter. I mean it's just hard especially as a trans woman the amount of garbage you're going to get and you mentioned. It's just it's too much. I think maybe some people don't realize like especially for someone who who has millions of followers. It's a fulltime job times a thousand to be able to meaningfully filter through all of the response that you're going to get and and it's not realistic to expect somebody to do that in the best of circumstances when they're not facing harassment when they're not facing all these other challenges and certain maybe reasons that this would be really bad for their mental health like even without that. It's impossible and add that in and it's even more impossible so I really think she's doing. You want a good thing and just turning it over to somebody else. Alternatively she could have still maintained it but just not even read her mentions you know but in terms of the apology. I I sought Ariz comment in that and I will see what Ari has to say so Ari said I think it's a decent apology for the most part in that. She doesn't deny responsibility. Ot or use sorry if you misinterpret mean where fended type rhetorical tactics but we'll see if she actually learns or changes her views. I'm a little worried that she's is not using twitter anymore because you want to avoid criticism but again. I didn't see the whole thing unfold and I don't know a kind of threatening messages. She might have gotten if she wants to be a trans advocate. She needs to be open to receiving criticism from fellow transpeople about the messages she puts out. Hopefully she will be able to do that. Outside of twitter overall I still I think she what she said was harmful and wrong and it remains to be seen if she will earn back the trust of non binary folks and our allies so there you go there you have it. That's Ariz response that I was able to get over facebook to contra points is apologies that catches his all up with this That's what I have have to say in terms of the just the practicality of dealing with twitter and what Ari an Nessie had to say on all that so that's good stuff. Thank you so much. I want to thank you again to rn Nessie and everybody else who who wrote in on that and and Lephoi smells great stuff so where should we go next well along the lines of voicemails that mostly we speak for themselves. Here's another one really good voicemail from while she introduces herself here. So why don't they just play it. Hey Thomas this is a highly critical formerly gossip intellect and I just wanted to offer a few thoughts on the episode why no one is racist this according to Republicans one day I was watching the TV news hour where they were interviewing trump supporters in Iowa and he kept asking people whether or not they think trump is racist. After all the ts talking Shenanigans and the main point got people kept making I thought they were uncomfortable calling him a racist because they don't know his intention as being racist is only someone's intentions intentions instead of being their actions or their comments and this is all just based on ignorance of of American history and specifically black American history a lot of these white people who love to argue that there's no way that they can be raith. They don't really understand all of the atrocities that black people have gone through in this country another example simple or I would say another thought I wanna ask you this is that I had a conversation with a white liberal on twitter who you know they voted voted for Clinton. They believe in economic policy but they are racist and I tried to explain to them about reasons. I've lots of people in America. America are not doing as well as white people such as the school to prison pipeline mass incarceration etc but he took me educating him on my own fishery as if I was insulting his intelligence so it's almost said in she thinks that he knows everything about brock people without actually taking the time to learn about our community in our history and it's just really frustrating that so many white people can bud soclean back so and so's not racist in bear not macy's they just refused. I used to listen to black people on racism. You know to Ben Messages Racist unless other white people verify that traces and that in and of itself South is racism so then. I just noticed that we don't do this other forms of bigotry. You know like when something sergeant as happens if people don't go to men to try to verify whether or not it's misogynous you know when something happens. Nobody goes to a straight person verify whether or not it's homophobic so anyway. I'm really glad that you found the episode and I just wanted to offer my thoughts as a black listening so I love Richard Durham. keep doing what you're doing. I appreciate your work own cut off due to time Gothic gothic intellect oh so I guess formerly gothic intellect. That's the name the handle that she used to come call in on but I think now it was a highly critical so I think that's her youtube channel. Check that out everybody if you if you haven't I think it just cut off there. She just almost got through on that three minute deadline but I think she meant to say. Enjoy the kids. I'm guessing enjoy my kiddos which I will do and I try to do every day. thank you so much great message it. It was an older one but it's one of those ones that I've had on my list like Oh. I need to play this and I WANNA make sure I did so thank you for that. I WanNa yes and you a little bit because or well actually I I I disagree slightly in that I do. You think it's even worse than you say that people do look to men to decide what's misogynist and they do look to straight people to decide. What's what's homophobic sometimes times. I think I I for my experience that can be a thing that happens as well as what you're saying but I also wanted to say sometimes they do the opposite it in that if they can find one black person who says this isn't racist or one gay person who says this isn't homophobic or one woman men who says this isn't misogynistic they they seek that opinion out which you can always find because you can find anything on the Internet you know you. Can you really can and they you hold up that opinion as like well that means it's fine because I found this one person. WHO's in this group who thinks it's fine so that's another like I guess a yes and to what you're saying another annoying thing that happens but but thank you so much for the message that's awesome and it stands for itself and I think put it very well. So where can we go from here well. I've got a couple on cancel culture here. Maybe I'll play that. Here's one that was the second take a full voicemail and then they got cut off and so they came back in in just a short version. I'll fill in some of that but here it is here. I thought it matter even the Earth again I went to law basic question is shouldn't we condemn. I'm deeply for me and canceling people where there were happening on the left or what happens on the right as well isn't that a larger is just shouldn't be treated like the like it's an issue whether it's you know it's not a question of volume that the question of it's a tactic that I feel isis violences conversations that people wanna have have no matter how clunky they may be. Thank you joy your show. for the work you do and we'll go and that was matthew so. I think he said in New York. I'm pretty sure thank you matthew appreciate it. There was more to the first part of the question but I appreciate leaving the second one that just kind of condensed it. That's very helpful for show purchases so if anybody else wants to do that that's always an option. there's no like worry that you're calling too much. Do not worry if you call and he leaves voicemail and you mess up do not at all worry. You can always leave another one. You don't have to be embarrassed. It's it's okay. It happens to everybody but that aside. I do want to clean something up. I think I think this is is my fault. I think I was perhaps not clear enough in that episode on what I meant I the main message that I want to to get through in cancel culture is that I first and foremost want to reject the right wing talking point that this is a left-wing issue and part of Matthew's original voice messages that he's talking about like well okay but even if it's more on the on the right than the left like even if you had say you know a one thousand people are cancelled for holding left wing views and two hundred people are cancelled for holding right wing views or whatever isn't it. Isn't it still a problem that people are being canceled. You know it's like we don't want WanNa. Just hold our standards to you know just the the low level of the the right like we want to be better and I do. I do totally respect that view. Do I just want to first and foremost dismantle this talking point that this is some unique problem on the left. That's that's the main thing it didn't. I didn't mean to say that that means. It's not a problem so it's that's going to be clear of of that and then I also want to say that a lot of of this quote unquote cancelled culture stuff is just another word for consequences or as head tweet that I happened to catch said and this is a brilliant way phrasing it. It's actually the invisible hand of the market. If you ask people on the right Oh do you like the invisible hand of the market they off. That's awesome. It's my favorite invisible hand of all of them. Brilliant great invisible hand of the market does everything and then you point out. Oh that's actually the same as cancelled culture that is cancel culture. That's a bunch of people utilizing their free speech to say. I don't like this. Get Out of here with us but you know I'm actually going to pair this with an email. I got from ton day. Who is somebody somebody who always pretty much disagrees with me in emails me and an opening arguments and Andrew a lot about stuff they disagree with me on but it's okay there are also somebody who you know they they they they engage in and I appreciate it and they're they're not just trolling or anything but they sent this contra points quote that I mean. Maybe now's not a good time to be quoting controversies but but it's intr- it pairs well with this. It's something to think about so this is a quote they sent and and this is the profile of Contra points. I don't know if it was the New York Times one. I can't remember one of them and says quoting quoting Natalie when I've done several videos does that target the strategy or lack thereof of a lot of people on the left. There is rhetoric. That's extremely alienating an off-putting. There's tribalism tribalism that makes it very difficult to get in. There's purity testing pushes most people out. I think a lot of the way that leftists spaces work online line is designed for five percent of people to be able to be welcomed by them. Meanwhile right wing groups are recruiting anyone who wants to get on board with the cost. I have to be cautious because if I tweet one thing critical of progressive movement's I get love bombed by all these right wing people saying you're so right. It's so awful that you have to deal this. It's it's like they have a welcome committee for people who want to sign up for the far right but on the left you almost have to fight your way in and quote so you can you know that's that's. Natalie wins words. I think there is actually tr- truth to that. I think there's there's a lot of truth what she's saying to be honest and and it might just be a structural thing and it's so funny that this was very prophetic. I think there's a couple of years old this quote and the very thing she just said also so happened when she left twitter all those people on the right. We're like look what they've done to Britney in leap Britney alone about someone they don't you know so this is this is a tough thing and I don't. I don't have the answer for you because a lot of progressive politics and progressive just just thinking and this is my opinion a lot of it is in dealing with very harsh realities of how unjust just a lot of things have been and it's hard and it's Ale. It is alienating. It's alienating to people full of privilege to be told that they've been. They've caused problems or that. They benefited from racism. They benefited from these things. It is the only thing I don't know what the answer sure is because it's always going to be disproportionately easy for people on the right to be like Nah. Come on over the water's fine as long as you say. You're tired of these key damn kids and they're progressive stuff then. You're you're welcome. You're basically you're welcome. No matter if you're like a literal Nazi or your you know like the moderate conservative commentator of some kind you're all welcome and it's just it's just easier for them to band together and do that but at the same time time at the same time as I say that it is also true that there is a lot of there are different coalitions on the right and there there is actually a a lot of right wing infighting. I know it doesn't feel like it right now but I think when the I feel like win win and if if trump loses in two thousand twenty. I think we're going to see it. We're going to see a whole lot of fighting on the right and we're GONNA see a lot of people saying you know my my right wing ways. The Way and you're right wing way is wrong and I think we will see it a little more. It still feels it's still feels disproportionate. It's just an Internet thing you know. Maybe when you're on a platform that's presumably more left dominated so when when people come in on these you know on whether it's twitter whatever it might be where it's like a left environment. It's easier for them to just put on the face ace of this welcoming face of hey. If you're if you're you know we're the right. Wing is just about disagreement and we know they're full of shit like it's not really real but I think it's just an easier posture for them to take I think it's always going to be this way. I think it's tough but I I think what we can do. Is You know May and you people listening. Maybe if you if you agree with me maybe don't that's okay we can just do our best to be more welcoming and forgiving to people who are wrong about stuff and you know that has a line that absolutely has the line and we have to find our line and that doesn't mean oh well we welcome welcome. Nazis just as much as anti not no not even close not talking about that but I'm talking about people who are on the left but maybe they they they've. They've got some issues you disagree with them on maybe they they're not understanding how these new pronouns might work or something and we can do our best and maybe this is something. I don't the only people with with the privilege of not having to deal with gender for you. Maybe this is something we can help with where we can try to educate in a patient way that that bear some of that burden for Trans people who might not be up to it because of the stuff they're going through and because of how hard it is to frequently have to explain themselves all the time. Maybe it's that kind of thing but maybe it's not that issue. Maybe it's a different issue where we can do our best to be a little more forgiving forgiving as long as somebody's more you know as long as somebody's on the left like we can be more welcoming broadly to people who are on the left in ways ways that that I I think we'll try to counteract this a little bit but a lot of it is like I started off saying a lot of it might just be that you know when you WanNa be on on the progressive side of things and you WanNa be on the side that really just tackles and genuinely grapples with a lot of the historical injustices. It's going to be hard because mathematically those injustices are perpetrated by majorities on small minorities just speaking speaking numbers wise and so naturally speaking that that that makes the math hard it makes it so you've got a lot of people who might be inclined inclined to just think well. I wasn't born then or I didn't have no part in this and so I don't need to be held accountable for that and it's going to be an uphill battle and you're just might be one of the things that we have to do our best to to win so I thought that was interesting there. You have it. Let's see where I think. I can definitely squeeze a few more here I have I know I have another voice mail to get to. We're too oh I know. Actually here's a good one. This is an email that I got that is very much directed toward me and and indeed Jamie would have no idea what this is about 'cause it's about like other podcasts in atheist and stuff and she's not really in those circles so it was perfect perfect one for be attacked by myself. Here's an email with the title very long title by the way didn't even know you could do this. The title title is does it bother you that the other puzzle and a thunderstorm guys are willing to maintain friendly relationships with prominent atheists. You've pretty much burnt your bridges with on principle principal grounds. Jack and Jack says that's just the title. The body is like remember a few months ago when no illusions went on atheist experience variance with Matt Dillon honey. Did it bother you that no one was willing to do that. After the way Matt handled the Lawrence Krauss situation. It really bothered me that he was willing to do that. I even even considered canceling my scathing atheist patronage and I think if it was if I was someone close to him. I would have asked him not to go on the show beforehand did you you ever consider doing that okay. I want to say this and I think Noah would agree. I'm about as close with no as you are. emailer like like you know we you know yes. We've we've met. We've hung out but but I don't really were. You know like we're not we're not particularly currently closed and that's not a any sort of you know like negative thing. It's just we don't we don't talk. I don't talk to know a much. You know. We're not so that's kind of a it's. It's inaccurate to say that I would have even had no idea he was going on this beforehand. I couldn't have asked him before and because I didn't. I didn't know about it. I don't really keep track of that. You know so so I but at the same time I'm not trying to dodge the question because certainly this has been something that does bother me from time to time now. I think what's important in this particular question was. I think no if I have my facts right memory correct. I think no went on before the whole issue over like trans athletes that really blew up and caused all of the like atheist experience. I think all all the women like quit oddly disturbingly. They're like we can't do this anymore. And I think this was before that had it been after that. I think maybe it would have been enough to say something. Let me know if I have that wrong. so yeah it's weird. I mean I haven't really burn bridges. Have I burn bridges. Yeah I mean for my part. Here's the thing that's frustrating about some of these thinki- talkies skeptic you guys like say Matt Dillon honey and Seth Andrews. I would actually talk to them anytime. I would talk to Matt I would talk to. Seth I've offered to talk to seth from time to time we've engaged and they're not actually good at doing it they they present themselves as these brilliant reasonable the the the adults in the room but they actually can't handle talking to someone like me for some reason. I don't know what I mean. You can put it on me but they're they don't. It's it's not as though they talk to other people who agree with me but are just different in some way they don't. They don't talk to people who have my views. My views a US being that Matt Dillon honey. This is pointless history to get into the way he reacted to the Lawrence Krauss thing when the article came out about Lawrence Krauss in his abuse Matt Dillon Hunter was scheduled to go on stage with Lawrence Krauss and Sam Harris that like that night and they ended up that what happened was Lawrence Orange Krause dropped out because it was going to be too much of a distraction or because I think Sam might a kind of nudged amount to because Lawrence Krauss was going to be able to he wanted and to be able to just respond to the article on stage and they're like well. We don't WanNa do that so you ended up appearing and Matt. If you go back and listen to it it's it's in their. It's in the feed somewhere and Sam Harris's Aristide Matt managed to make that all about himself and not even expressed in Iot of sympathy for the victims or the people who are genuinely concerned concerned with like hey. Are you really going to go on stage with this abuser right now. he had no no empathy for that and made it one hundred percent about him and about how people were expecting him to respond to soon and he was still on the flight and he didn't even know about didn't spare a second for people who had legitimate concerns were for the victims of arts crafts and it was just. It's just shitty man like it was just. I just hated it. I commented. I don't even think I I don't remember how hard I feel. You might remember. I don't our van really remember that much but you know and then as far as seth goes you know I certainly wouldn't put seth in that category. I think seth disagree with South Breath Andrews a lot and on some pretty key things I think he he has a real blind spot in some ways but I still talk to them. You know I haven't like so like the bridges. They're on my side. I don't know if it's there on anyone else. Aside you know like my my into the bridges. Maybe smoldering a little bit but it's not burnt. I would talk to these people so but yeah it. It's I would say it sort of does bother me when like if people are still doing events with these people and don't challenge Orange Them I. It does bother me a little bit. I think that when you talk about a show like scathing atheist you know it's it's in the name. They're still doing the atheism thing and they're still atheism is still core to their existence and for me. I don't think it is so much so maybe it's a little easier for me to like just not care about alienating certain gatekeepers within atheism you know whereas they may be four legged job. Reasons have to be worried read about like alienated certain listeners. I don't know yeah I'd have to I'd have to go with a specific example you know because as I said I don't track it at that closely I I love thy Bosnich with all my heart but like we don't keep track of what each other's doing really. We just like talking talking to each other on occasion. You know about S- probably not even related so it's hard. You know policy apologies if I should be. I don't know keeping track of what what everybody's doing more but I just don't especially since I don't care about atheism as much. It's it's not high on my list of priorities but but maybe if there's some specifics that I'm I'm forgetting about. I'm just so much more concerned with trump and and you know and winning elections right now like honestly that's that's so much more important to me currently that I've kind of forgotten some of this stuff so I appreciate the email but I I don't really remember a lot details because it's been a while and I've got kids is now and I've been thinking about a lot of different but doesn't mean. I don't think they're important. They are important just it's not foremost on my mind so that that was a very long convoluted answer but I hope you can make something of it there. okay so that's it for my emails that I have. I think I have a voice mail here. this'll be interesting. Here's a quickie that we can do. I will hit play. Hey Thomas Longtime Patron Alex here I left a previous voicemail about the ID ws dumb name and you didn't play play it and I think I'm starting to understand why because it's becoming clear to me that you pretty much just associate the real dark web with child pornography and other sorts of crime like that. It's fine if you I personally don't like the dark web but I think it's your due diligence to mention one fact on the show and that's the flagship product of the dark web which is tore the onion router was is largely funded by the US government as a tool for dissidents in countries where they had to be concerned about their own government to be able to get news in and out of their country and personally I think there are plenty of us who have reasons to be concerned about widespread surveillance even within the US when I hear the dark web casually associated with with child pornography and written off to me at hearkens back to the arguments we kept hearing during the Bush years that if you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't be concerned about widespread surveillance so anonymity software great tool for crime all admit that and that's a bummer but that's not what it's for and I think if you want to make the argument that in order or to prevent crime the government needs to be able to conduct preemptive surveillance on us without any kind of warranty or anything like that at least make the argument honestly or explain how how you feel about digital privacy but please don't just be casually dismissive of the concept of people wanting to protect their privacy yeah I I don't know I think you've read a lot into something I look. I think you and I both know that I don't know much about the dark web so yes sorry sorry. If I've said anything that lead you to believe I wanted to mislead people on the Darkwa yeah I mean is there. Any I think part of the nature of being the dark web would mean that it's hard to know what proportion of dark web interaction or commerce or whatever is like legitimate stuff versus what's like child porn and the other weird you know hiring. A hitman stuff like is earning. Do you have some sources of give you numbers on that. You know now because I yes I agree that there are situations in places in countries where you need to be anonymous for different reasons totally agree with that the the main point of making fun of the intellectual dark webs name is really stupid name. It doesn't mean that I think everything the dark web does is stupid. It means that their name is stupid because for many reasons I think look you might be right that maybe it was inaccurate to to try to score the quick. Gotcha of of like hey don't you know the the dark web is child porn so you named yourself after that on purpose okay I. Maybe that's wrong. Maybe that's wrong. Maybe that was a quick. Gotcha that factually speaking if you fact check. The joke wasn't quite accurate fine. I'll I'll go with that because it sounds sounds like you know more about the dark web than I do. I don't know but that's not the only reason why the name stupid. The name is stupid because the the reviews that these people want to express they feel like they can't get out. There are just conservative views. There's just mainstream conservative views. It's so funny funny. It's like that old mean. That's like my conservative. Viewpoints are being silenced and then someone asks. Oh okay like which ones like that. You want small government. No no not that one okay that you you know that you you want to. I don't know spend money on the military now that you don't like taxes no well which ones. I think you know which ones uh-huh and the point is like. It's yeah. I mean the stuff. That's being quote. Unquote silenced is actually just mainstream conservative stuff if that you know on Fox News they like to pretend like it's just some silencing of these very legitimate small government whatever Komo conservative views but what it is is anti politically correct racist stuff that they want to be able to say they WANNA be able to say raise the stuff. They want to be able to say bad batson about immigrants. They WANNA be able to say sex stuff and all that and they feel like they can't even though they can like. They've proven that they can. They just can't do it without facing consequence. All this is to say the intellectual dark web is not an intellectual dark web. It's we are people who like not too and and honestly this is kind of. I don't know if this is a strong interest steel man or both I don't know but it's essentially we have a lot liberal views and I'll give them credit like you know the Weinstein's and Sam Harris have plenty of liberal views they really do not Dave Rubin not him not counting that because that guy's a conservative dummy who has three exactly three views that are like kind of libertarian that he pretends are liberal views and then is just a conservative hack otherwise I don't count him but if you're talking about maybe more legitimate intellectual dark dark what people who have more of a claim to being on the left like those Weinstein brothers or maybe Sam Harris you know I am here says a lot of actual liberal views so let's say we're talking about him. All that means is they have liberal views and then they also have really right wing views about race and about like me too the dark web. You know like it's not nobody's stopping. They still have these massive platforms. They still make way more money than I'll ever dream of making the it's just a fake thing they think they're this persecuted minority. Who's been you know forced onto the dark web because when they express these views just not true is just that they yes they disagree with liberals on certain things and liberals get mad at them on certain issues but that doesn't mean they're forced underground so that that's why it's an absurd name not not just because you know like some crime happens on the dark web but Alex I really don't. I probably didn't play that voicemail last time. I kind of remember it but I don't remember all the details I listened to all of them by the way but you know for time and for other reasons I don't get to them because I just don't have strong feelings either way like Yes yes. I think that anonymity is very vital in certain situations but you know like I I for me personally. I don't care about it. I don't really engage in it so I I don't know I don't the feelings on it so don't read into my lack of knowledge or lack of saying something on a certain issue or my my my my jokes about the intellectual dark web some like indictment of all the dark web so sorry if I gave the impression I didn't mean to all right. I think we got we've got one more. I'm just packing it all in his bonus and I could do this for patrons only but I'm not going to. I'm going to do it for everybody but you should go to. Patriot dot com slash series pot odd so that you support the show but this is my gift to everybody and you can thank the patrons for making this happen all right here one more. Hey Thomas this is how store I have. I've been thinking a lot lately about how everybody is in their own bubbles and we all kind of have a separate world that we've you and we talk past each other and how that's the problem and you know. I've always thought a good solution to this. Is You need to make sure that you're not in your own bubbles. You gotta read not just new sources nations that you agree with but things you disagree with you should probably listen to their shows and you know these kinds of things and you know. This sounds great in practice. I find I don't do it. I kind of warning that I put myself in my own bubble but it's sometimes it's hard to to listen to stuff that you just they just drives you crazy and the reason. I was thinking about this today. is I recently got a new phone and part of the process of getting these phone is studying at my podcast and seem won't subscribe to and surprised myself. I decided not to subscribe to San Harrison's podcast. I used to be a Patriot his but I realized I you know oh I download the episode of his here and there and I never listened to them. It just drives me crazy. He always goes off on identity politics and I just I can't take he's he's brutal but then I worry am. I putting myself in a bad position where I'm GONNA be in my own bubble. so Yeah I. I thought that was interesting. I thought you might have to take on it and as always the love the show thank you very much so I said as a bonus thing and a gift for everybody and then my answer is going to be very disappointing. I don't have an answer for you. I really don't I just think in this day and age when the right the dominant right wing view four now under trump is trump is is not something that you can learn more about it. Just isn't here's here's he. I'll tell you get trumpism trigger. Liberals make liberals mad do stuff that pisses liberals off. That's all there's nothing. There's nothing more to learn. I'm not in a bubble level when I don't read Donald Trump junior's tweets about owning the libs. It's it's it's I know it you know so like back. Maybe maybe during the Bush years I agree with you and I had the same thought process. I I house totally relate to what you're saying. Don't I my I tone is a little biting here but it's not it's towards trumpers not toward you. I have the same impulse where my God I really should because sometimes you know it is true here. Here's one thing that if you're a lefty like menial lefty sources you might miss things like certain unethical behavior done by Democrats you know or like you. You might miss things like that. Whereas Fox News is always laser focused on that. They're you know they're always going to exploit Loyd. Everything and a Lotta Times are being unreasonable but like a Lotta Times or sometimes at least they aren't like sometimes there there are like blunders that democratic politicians and make that just do not get covered in liberal circles that do get covered on the right so like you are missing that I mean I listened to the I I think it's called the argument the New York Times opinion podcasts and I know I just shut all over the opinion section. Last episode actually do really like that podcast mainly because I love Michelle Goldberg but I I do think Rostow. It is the kind of Republican that I wish all Republicans. Were you know like I don't agree with him on much. I vehemently disagree with them on a lot of stuff but I think he's genuinely somebody who is interested did in having real discussions and has his right wing views and he's not just doing it to to to make somebody else mad like you just is a Christian conservative and you you know it there is value to hearing his take. I think in some ways and so I do listen to that and in terms of a news bubble I will say this. I actually get my news from Google News News so somebody if you wanna tell me like that's super bad I I'm open to the idea but actually I think it gives you everything you could want because what what I get is what happened you know so headlines of stuff that happened and then all the different sources for it so I can look at the New York Times version. I can look at the Washington Post version but I can also see the most of the time hilariously awful Fox News headlines on it too and if there's like a reasonable conservative take on it can also see it under the Google news headline kind of thing so you know that's what I do. I don't know am I in a bubble. Probably still yeah like we're all in in some sort of bubble in my podcast bubbles definitely leftist takes on staff of different kinds varying degrees of leftism so I don't know I just don't in this day and age of trumpism. I don't know that there is a meaningful right wing view that we need even fucking worry about because it's nonsense like it is nonsense. Maybe maybe if trump loses and there's a big like civil war in the Republican Party and the Ross Dow fits of the world takeover like then then we can talk okay. I still disagree with them. But at least I can be more informed on their views and it's a way for me to go forward so that's my answer to so you House Dwarf. I hope that help. I feel like you shouldn't feel guilty for not listening to Sam hairs anymore. I can't do it either. I I did for a while and I was in pick and choose mode and sometimes I still will if you interviewed somebody I like or or somebody that's like neutral like some scientists or something I I still give it a listen but whenever it's like oh I found a professor who hates the S J ws. Let's talk about how they're ruining the way. I'm just like I'm I've heard it. I know it already ready honor care so that's my answer all right. Thank you so much for listening hope. You enjoyed this bonus episode. it really this was brought to you by the patrons so please consider going to patriots dot com slash series pod and joining the ranks getting access to bonus stuff bonus episodes bonus parts of episodes both questions all this stuff and also the good warm fuzzy feeling knowing that you're supporting the show and what we're doing here. 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Atheist Experience 23.10 2019-03-10 with Matt Dillahunty & Jim Helton

The Atheist Experience

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Atheist Experience 23.10 2019-03-10 with Matt Dillahunty & Jim Helton

"The Starlight lounge presents an evening with the progressive box. That's you'll go tickling the ivories. He just saved. By bundling home and auto progressive gonna finally by ring for that gal of yours Hugo send my condolences. Oh, this next one free. There's. In my all, thank you. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Discounts on available in all states or situations. Our? Everybody walk into the experience. We are live today's Sunday March tenth two thousand nineteen unless you're watching this after we do it live. And then, you know, it's whatever time and dated is when you're watching it pretty easy. I'm Matt Dillon hosting this week. Joining me Jim Helton from American atheist. Thank you. We've got a handful of announcements to get out of the way, there's a bunch of people on the other side, and that is in part at least in small part that Austin's south by southwest festival convention eve. Super awesome thing has started as of Friday is for those who don't know go look it up south by south west. It's movies music technology. I dunno whatever. Basically, it's the week where you really would have to pay me a lot to go downtown because I live here. And so the my city is changed, but it's still awesome. And if you're down by south by south west talk, some of the locals about things that you might wanna do other than just south by like I would recommend that you go to Esther's follies this weekend. If you can if if there's actually a show, and that you hit Torchy's tacos and cows other places, but I'm not here to advertise for all of these other things we have stuff of our own that we need to advertise. And as a reminder, head up the community and social media, Facebook and elsewhere and you'll find that the mar. Edition of the magazine is now out coming up in two weeks right twenty the weekend of the twenty second twenty third that March twenty third is atheist day internationally Theus day, kind of a new spin on something. That's, you know, been done at various types and things before this time by a Republic, but the community Austin is going to be doing man like it's like a weekend of events. There's going to be Tom's Westbrook aren't on a bunch of others are going to be at the capitol talking about, you know, eight years on on on this day weekend. And then Seth Andrews will be here for event as well. I will not be here. And so if you're not in Austin, you can either come down to Austin for that. Or you could book yourself for the free thought crews if it's not already too late because that's where I'll be that weekend. I'm going. I'm driving all the way down to Fort Lauderdale, Florida boarding a cruise ship along with couple of hundred other free thinkers, atheists, secular humanists at cetera, and I'll be doing the my magic and stuff. This show and a meet and greet, and then touring Kouba, and and the Bahamas, although I just saw travel advisory for the Bahamas. So I'm a little nervous State Department puts how travel advisories, and I haven't paid attention to any of them since since I was in the navy, and we would get them handed to us. It'd be like, oh, we're we're pulling into port here. And here's all the State Department's Notre notifications and stuff. So that's what's going on in the immediate future. But you're talk about a couple of things that are coming up the following month in April and beyond. Yes. So very excited. American atheists convention is coming Easter weekend in my hometown in Cincinnati, Ohio. It's going to be at the Hilton Netherland plaza super excited. Overfell secular groups are gathering this March to celebrate the first we're getting audio for something that we're not seeing. So I'll stop talking. So Jim ogre fell keynote he's at the supreme court decision for marriage equality. We're going to have plenty of workshops and other things going on a really reaching out to the local community the local affiliates and activists come out there to learn how to get involved in their community how they can make a difference and make change at their cities councils, school, boards and state level education. So we're very excited about our convention coming up in Cincinnati and go ahead and pause your second. Because if Mark has the ad for atheist day ready to go as it sounds like you might have than this would be a good time to insert it and the world secular groups are gathering this March. To celebrate the first international easiest day. While we encourage atheist groups to come together. And celebrate we invite you to join. Because lacking religion does not constitute. Because in many parts of the world disbelief can have tragic consequences. Because it's time to create an international community. Because where we can be counted. We should. Stand up this March twenty third and join us as we demand to be counted. There you go. There's more information available. Click the websites. Visit the Washington social media staff and eighth as Republicans. Well, and then as we move towards April for the American atheist convention, and I'm I'm coming up for that as well. And it's I try to go every year I had to miss last year because of a conflict, but I'm looking forward to this. I mean, we've got a new president. We've got an interesting lineup. Speakers already set. And I think there's possibly a few more announcements coming out. No, somebody was gonna call me tomorrow. But what's exciting is the city of Cincinnati rolled out the red carpet force. They were like, what do we have to do to get your business? We want the American atheist convention here. The hotels were like, we want American atheist here and to have that hospitality. And then really want us to be here, and what they offered in and what they're doing to work with us. And a unique thing is we're going to have a rally on Good Friday on found square outside in the middle of downtown and middle of all the biz business. On Good Friday to kick off the convention, which were super excited about outstanding. And then you've got so used to you, and I first met several years ago, and and we would mostly bump into each other in and around Kentucky and Tennessee in Cincinnati, or or a big national convention, you were working with the tri-state community there and lots of activism your whole families involved with activism, your your daughters, one of my favorite activists. But you kind of really jumped in charge and did things and you did things in a different way than some other organizations are doing it was incredibly successful. And now your, you know, working with American atheists what you're fischel title at now is at national national field organizer national field organizer. So if you've got a field and you needed to be taken care of contact, Jim I'm your person, basically, I took the business model of the tri-state free thinkers of ace's, activism community service education. Social we wanted to build a true community for atheist humanist and. And one thing and we want to make change in our community. Whereas as as we could be involved or the mayor's inviting us to come speak, right? Interfaith leaders are asking atheist to do in vocations. We can do be keynote speakers at the women's March March for science in front of ten thousand people, and we really integrated ourselves and we'd taken that plan. And now my job is to work with the Phillies groups or people that want to start groups in their community that want to get involved. How do we raise money? How do we form aboard? How do we do these things? And how do we get involved in our community? And so I travel the country helping groups do those very things to take on the issues and their state that's important to them because it is what's important Kentucky. I live in between the creation museum Arken counter is very different than say, Florida or New York or California of whatever your issue may be we help them with toolkits go after those things this is, you know, this is a really good examples on that we talked about many times because for years, there was discussion of ocean be firebrand or diplomat. And my my answer was always why can't you be both and do both. And you know, I've hosted the show for been. On it. I for nearly fifteen years, but hosted fourteen years this week. I think I think it was like March thirteenth or something two thousand five was the first night closer fulltime. But there's different styles. And it's interesting as I go around, you know, if I'm doing debate somebody will be like, oh, I watched you on the show. And then I came and saw you the debate. And it's like you're to different people. And I'm like, yeah. Because those are two different environments. Well, why can't you do the show? Like, you do a debate. Oh, that's easy because we have six phone lines, multiple, callers, and the people who are calling in aren't necessarily prepared for a formal structure debate with all this. Plus when I'm in a debate. I can't hang up on that person. And go to another caller. They're the only person there, and what I try to keep in mind for me doing the show is that this is this is somebody's first introduction to atheism to secular to us cetera. I'm not always gonna get right? But I think there are different tactics in different tactics needed. There are different things that are gonna change people's minds. Sometimes it's going to be an approach that is similar to what I might do. Something's going to be approached like yours. Some maybe more like Eric's Jamie's or tracey's going. To reach more people than any of us, traces, just awesome. But the people believe for different reasons, they're gonna give it up for different reasons. But if you're goal isn't necessarily to give people to give it up, but instead to reach like atheist normalcy. I can tell you this no matter how terrible or awesome. Somebody might think. I am or my my approach to this is the mayor's never invited me to come speak. And yet I've spoken at the capitol on many occasions because that's what we do. And if the goal is as I think, it is has always been for me when we talked about the community organization for positive, atheism. There were some people who took that as if oh that means positive in as we are, affirming. There are no gods and Marge the community the entire time. I've been involved with it has voted in in in a sense that positive means we are going to be putting a positive his face on eight theism. And that doesn't mean that we're not going to get upset that we're not gonna you know, have arguments these heated conversations, and so it'll be interesting today as. We go through and take phone calls to watch. How two different activists who like each other and get along and generally support what each other does might take different tax and addressing questions we take different approach. I think a lot of people argue, which is the best way the right way. But like you said, it's different ways in they're all good, and they all have their their value. And they all have their good approach. It depends on ask. You what your target is what you're trying to do and you have to take different tactics. Like, if you're protesting Arkan counters very different than if you're feeding the homeless alongside of church. I normally eight theism that you're good people. They're very different approaches, or if you're on a lobby talking to your Representative to very different approach this conversation that my very good friend, Anthony Magnabosco, I have had many times, including on this program because he's you know, street epistemology advocate, and I have some issues with that. Because I'm not convinced that you're actually came out in popularity because of because ings book a manual for creating atheists, and I'm not convinced that this actually creates atheist it may on occasion. Get people to recognize that they're not quite. As confident as I thought they were whether that's permanent or temporary. I don't know. But it's certainly a good thing. Because I think all of us are in favour of getting people to ask questions to question things they believed, and if you leave this show, you know, after watching today, and you you came in as a theorist of some stripe. Let's say you're you're a reform Jew. And you have your particular notions about God. And you watch this show and you're like, Yup. I listened to him. I thought about it those guys they, you know, they don't have the same understanding. I do my reasons. Good. And all that did was just kind of reaffirm what I believe we'll cool at least you listened. I'm not necessarily convinced that you paid attention. But I haven't done the show yet. So it could be a train wreck today. You never know. But just getting people involved in having the conversations is probably the primary goal because we know I just saw this great study that I've referenced like twice in the past few days, we had a lot of in group out group problems. And that goes down to you know. Along racial lines, along gender lines along, religious, lines, etc. And there's a couple of great studies that are taking a look at this one of them that I was reading about basically divided people up into random clusters. And so you might have in a group of ten you might have to people who are Spanich a couple African Americans a couple of Asians couple of white, folks. And and with varying different, you know, religious views or political views, and you get them to integrate just a little bit participate and work jointly on something. And then you start asking them questions, and you and you have two of these groups that are functionally identical with the same characteristics. And once they've worked within their in group. And then you ask them questions about their group, and you have them questions about this other group like what percentage of people in your group share your political views, they tend to estimate that the people in their group more share their views more than the people who are in their out group. Even though the truth is, he's two groups or. Functionally identical in in their distribution. And it's very easy. It's very interesting for me about how quickly it is that you can break down the normal barriers of our in group out group. And yet how bad it is that we're just going to create new ones. And so it's like, you know, if if you're if you're a Senator and you've been opposed to to gay marriage forever. And then you have a close relative that comes out his gay all of a sudden, your views are incredibly more likely to change. And if you fought that eighth ius terrible. Or if you thought bad things about some other ethnic group getting to know them and working alongside them and working towards a goal. Now put you guys together in an in group where at a minimum thinking, well, he's not like those other people in that group. But we're always going to draw lines getting people aware of this medal analysis of how we go about drawing lines seems to be something that's of paramount importance. I don't know how many people are going to get it. Even after having explained to them that this is what they're doing. Doing. But man, if humanism can do any one thing it would be to do more experiments like that get the information out. So that people realize you are manufacturing in group out group lines all the time. Oh, my family's not your like your family. My church is like your church, and then when people hear all this stuff about how the Catholic church is a criminal organization, that's been shuffling child rapist around. Oh, well, that's not my Catholic church. Yes. It is. And it's also you're Baptist church and your piss Kapila church, and all these other things once we start realizing that we can't have this personal bias, it makes it a lot easier to say, you know, what maybe I was wrong about that. Maybe there's a different way of looking at it. And maybe when I have a conversation with an atheist, I don't have to begin with God has given them over to a reprobate mind, and they are trying to destroy, you know, kill babies and wreck the country and all this. I mean, we need to get outside of our bubble and interact with the general public. And when I. As an out atheists to might wear t shirt or people may recognize me, Matt you you away more than me. But I wanna make sure they have the best experience possible. Whether that's my Bank teller, you know, whether it's the the waitress who I'm waiting with that they see somebody that's an atheist, and I want to make sure they have the best experience possible because they may have had the stereotype of what an atheist is. But that few minute action with me, maybe like he seemed like a nice person and make it easier for the next person. They come across saying, that's probably where I failed because I don't care if they have the best experience. I just wanted to have just a good enough experience that functionally changes how they thought about a general. I don't have enough time to give everybody the best experience. No. So on that, oh, also Arkan counter stuff is coming up in what July July six we protest Arkan counter. Every year the misconception is it's failing and going out it generated sixty seven million dollars in two thousand seventeen it's doing well. It's not doing anywhere near the projections of two and a half million people. Right. But it's getting close to a million dollars a million people every or just under so cash wise with all the state incentives. They got with all the government incentives, the separation religion government, you know, it's important to bring that from a legislative point of view of all the problems Kentucky. I think it's the symbol of what's wrong. When I went to the Arken counter, and I haven't been to the Gracia museum. But I did go to the Arkansas there's a picture up on the screen now, the is it was the first arc and kind of protests. That was the second one second one when I went I didn't even pay for my ticket. Somebody else bought me the ticket. And then when they told me how much the ticket was I felt ripped off. And I didn't even pay because as I walk around this thing, it's not even really an arc. It's like half of an arc. It's like art of build who building. Building. Yeah. So from this side, it's like a pretty good magic trick has from this side. It looks like an arkan- from the other side. It looks like a building with like some would tacked onto the end of it. And I realize that you know, you've got to do some stuff like that to make it open the public, but I walked around. And it was there were some cool looking displays and some amazing woodwork. You know, the Amish folk did a wonderful job for them. But oh my gosh. It was like here's a big piece of poster board with a whole bunch of Texan if you graphics on it, I I'm kidding. I'm not kidding you at all my assessment was that a thirty five to forty percent of everything you see in the Arkansas, you would have been better served getting a coffee table book because that's all you're really doing walking around looking at pages of a book looking. Here's a picture. Here's a you know, this, and I know a lot of museums will do stuff like that. But they tend to have more displays and the displays the arkan- Connor where here's a whacks figure or a semi animatronic. Version of person or on occasion. Here's a little a whole bunch of empty cages, and here's one with what we think might have been the dinosaur that was hiding in the arc type. I mean, it's big which is on the scale. But like you said, the actual exhibits and displays there's not much there. Yeah. I think you could you could cut that thing down to a fifth the size have everything in there and just on, you know, one loop and boom you're out in less time. I got the tour, and I had the pleasure of Bill Nye invited me to tour with him. So I got the tour for my kid's birthday go through it. And he agreed to do some self which my favorite picture is Ken ham in the background scowling pissed off his Bill Nye's taking pictures with my kids, and my favorite part of the whole thing. And it's on YouTube, Bill Nye turn like, Jim. I'm surprised they let you in. But as soon as I walked in the door is soon as I walked into that gate. There was security by my side. Like, hey, Jim how you doing any escort through the thing? They didn't they didn't do that for me. But I. Ask them. If Ken ham was around because I would've loved to talk to him while I was there. He was not interested in that or not available. I don't want to say wasn't interested. Maybe he was really interested. Just not available. It we we invited them to the American atheist dimension. If they want to come have a discussion because they decided to throw their own convention instead of talk to atheists, and I'm like, we're right here. I sent them a message and volunteered, I will speak or debate at your convention for free, and I will pay for you to come into our convention as well, or, you know, figure out a way to get them in and and actually American Saddam before because Ray comfort. I believe spoke at American atheist convention in two thousand eight two thousand nine or something along those before my time. Yeah. And and if I miss remembering I apologise, maybe this is some kind of on if somebody knows posted in chat link whatever else. But yeah, I was more than happy to say why don't we do? It doesn't have to be a formal debate. We could just do a discussion like I will sit down at your convention. With Ray and Ken both of them. They can ask me questions. The audience can ask me questions, and then we'll turn around and do the same thing for you. We can you know? And granted I'm not in charge of the convention. So I don't get to schedule anything. But I'm pretty sure that if I could have got can ham to sit up on stage in exchange for this. You know, let's exchange beakers thing we found some time we would have found that. And we had this discussion because I formally invited them because they they send staff to the protests at staffers there, and we talked to them about it and inviting them, and we talked about if Ken ham would come. We would be willing to have this sit down conversation. I think the conversation would be better than a formal debate. Absolutely. They've so far have expressed interest in in doing. So the other thing is strikes me funny about this is that the American convention with one or two exceptions is always on Easter weekend. And they're like, oh, why are you doing that? You just doing it to like mock Christianity. Yeah. No, no, no. It's not actually it. It is a weekend. It is a a holiday weekend that a lot of people have off and that Agius don't have. To celebrate. Because unlike Christmas Easter isn't cool, and so it seemed like a good weekend. Plus, you know, there's some opportunity to get some publicity in there. But when Kennan Ray announced that they were having a convention that same weekend. I was sitting here going how are you going to get Christians to come out on Easter weekend to your convention, and that's not the only one there's another big Christian convention in Cincinnati that weekend. Also, they there's a third now. Wow. He backed exactly how much Easter sucks. The single most important holiday in all of Christianity is Easter undeniable from a biblical from biblical and theological standpoint, the the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the single most important point in all of Christianity. And that makes Easter weekend what should be the most important holiday and even after they stole it from pagans and tried to modify it and giveaway chocolate. And have bunnies. Easter eggs and do everything can to make it fun. Christians. Still wanna fuck go to church on Easter. They want to go to. Oh, let's go to convention just so we can yell at the and the American atheist convention solve all those problems for being my family. I am outta town. Blake his fantastic. It just salt all my problems. All right on that note. We're going to start taking callers, we got full lines. And I wanna make sure we get to as many of these people as possible we've got Aidan Antero who's got a problem. Oh, well, now that I read of a a larger description of of your. Your point. I'm not sure that we have that much of a disagreement, but go ahead eight and welcome to the show. Okay. That's possible. Yeah. Well, if I can just explain my disagreement that I think I have with you. Although parents might not it's I've heard you. I think I've heard you used the the argument recommended points against the bible that that basically. You know, it says that bass are type of bird, which obviously they aren't or or the Wales or type of big fish. And obviously, that's so that's wrong. I don't disagree. Yeah. So I don't think I've ever used. I've never pointed out that the bible says whales are big fish because I don't think the bible says that it all the Jonas story says big fish in a lot of people interpreted that as well. But the bible, I'm not aware of any verse where it says that whales are big fish. Now. There is a verse. There is a verse where bats are essentially wouldn't be my problem with that. What anyway. Yeah. My there is a verse where where bats are essentially lumped in with birds when they're not birds. And I'm not saying that the bible is wrong about all these other things because it seems to suggest that bats birds. I'm just saying that that's in the bible, and it's not technically, correct? It has no bearing on on anything else in the bible other than if somebody claims that the bible is the perfect word of God. That's an easy way to show that they're not correct. So is the Bibey. Actually have Sunday's agreement then because I would say that doesn't I mean, I don't think is the perfect word of God. But I would say that that doesn't disqualify front because. Basically because. It is a flying thing. Right. And presumably their their decision. I understand something together would be you know, these are the flying. Again, these the swimming thing, I sanded I understanding and if and if you is that, you know, ancient people who didn't understand, you know, modern taxonomy wrote it and included in with the flying's fine. They it's it's only a problem if you're claiming that a perfect God delivered a perfect word. And then pointing out in imperfection is a problem if you just want to say that. Yeah. Ancient people. You know, the Hebrew language is limited their understanding stuff. Certainly. We didn't have the nomin classes that we have now. And so they just listed bats with flying things because that's their best understanding, and it's not all that interac- unit. Then I'm going to say, yes, you're absolutely correct. I have no issue with it. It's not like I was a Christian for twenty five years. Read verse where bats were included. And instead whip this God, stuff's just malarkey. That that's not remotely what happened. Yeah. Well, no when all the other issue that would be obviously, nobody would find it convincing as as a problem with the bible. Yeah. It's one of those things where I mean granted I've done a bunch of events with Sam Harrison. And you know, we like each other we on many things or something's we don't. But in his letter to Christian nation when he spent that I mean, it's a tiny tiny little book. I've talked about this before he talks about the bible story where there's a where he says the bible says pike was three and the bible doesn't ever say that at all it describes a well, and it gives the dimensions of well. And then if you do the math you end up with pie being three in there like we've got you. And there are actually Christian apologist who've drawn wells actual diagrams of wells where you can have a thirty cubits or conference and ten meter diameter, depending on whether you measure from the inside of the well to the outside of the well, you know, when when you get the wall, thickness and stuff like that. Yeah. It's it's still a pretty close approximation. But at the end of the. Day. My my objection to Sam including wasn't that he was technically wrong. Although I would argue who was technically wrong because there's not a Christian on the planet who's going to go. Oh, man that story about the well, and then getting the value of pi wrong like that screw Jesus I'm done. That's never going to happen. And if you're putting out a book that is called letter to a Christian nation, and you want to highlight problems in their theology and the doctrine in the bible, that's one of the weakest possible things you can include and for it to be in there in a small book. I just I found kind of just like the bats birds. You can pick your flaw. Yeah. You can see there's so many choose from and just because you comment on one doesn't mean that your argument to prove her go through Christianity. But there's just so many. Claim that that was your argument against yeah yourself. Yeah. No, no. It's a quick thing to go to there's also, you know, whether or not hairs to the cut and other stuff like that. And they're only. Yeah. They're only points against people. Who are like, oh, the bible is the perfect word of God inspired by man. And if you find an error than it's just, you know, men changing things after the fact, well, then it's at a minimum. It's clearly no longer still a perfect word of God. And then you can get into stuff like, you know, Mark sixteen versus nine through twenty which don't exist in the oldest manuscripts. And that's where you get into the notion that people can if they're truly working doing God's work. They can drink any poisonous thing. And it won't hurt them and they can handle serpents. So yeah, there's loads of problems. But my biggest problem is setting aside the entire bible. I find no evidence no way to confirm supernatural events causation and no good evidence for the proposition of any God or anything supernatural, and pointing to a book is never going to do it. No matter. How right. The book was even if it said that even like the verse after the bats thing said that. Technically, bats aren't birds, but you won't find this out for a thousand years. That would have been one really cool. But it still doesn't mean it came from God. That would be very interesting. It would it would be nice. If they were you know, what happens with a lot of people in this happens in in Christianity and Islam in particular where science discover something and the people go back and scour through and try to find a way where their their holy book made a prediction. Oh, see it was right? The whole time. We'll even if that were the case, we didn't know it was right until we actually went out and tested it. So it was useless information. It's like, oh germ theory of disease it and Matthew fifteen where the Pharisees are coming after Jesus and they start with this. You know, why why do your guys not wash their hands, which tradition Jesus had an opportunity there to say, you know, what we really should be washing our hands to get rid of those pesky little things that get on our hands the cause us to become sick. But instead Jesus committed to okay fallacy, basically saying, oh, yeah. We'll you're a hypocrite to and you know, because you don't advocate for, you know, honoring father mother and stuff, and by the way, it's not what you put in your mouth that defiles you. It's what comes out of your mouth that defiles. You. Which he's talking about the mentioned eightieth debates to. Yeah. I just I just did a video about that week or so or month ago, so it's kind of fresh in my mind, but it it's funny. Here was an opportunity for somebody that they've you'd be got in Kearney to tell us something. Good and useful. And instead he commits a logical fallacy, basically saying know. Yeah, we were big hypocrite to and then doesn't point out to people that it might be a good idea to wash their hands before the. In the using the holy book religion. When every religion uses that holy book. God like give me an argument that doesn't prove other religions also that's unique to yours needed unique argument, and yet to be to his credit one of actually probably the best point you can make against any one of those because it means you don't have to go into in depth on. What exactly is wrong with the specific argument? If it's you can just go to well, obviously, this would prove any other religion right as well. So obviously, it doesn't prove yours. Yeah. It's very rare that I find somebody even if we have a top debate topic that's supposed to be about a particular religious doctrine. Very rarely do we spend that much time on that doctrine. And how they are. And why they're convinced that it's correct. Instead we end up with arguments for like that would work for any deity. There's a period of time where we were trying to schedule a team debate in Washington or Oregon somewhere in the Pacific northwest. And I wanted to do I wanted to have myself, and he needed data boy who's an ex Muslim as one of the teams, and then get a pair of Christian apologists who were supposed to be arguing on behalf of any Christian doctrine, you know, like the resurrection or whatever. And then we would sit there and every time they use an argument that would apply to Islam as well. That's where he was going to get up and point out that yes, your argument isn't for Christianity. This also applies to his Llamas. Well, and I was going to I was going to run a charity event to raise money on exactly how much time I would need to spend speaking at all during that debate. Because if. All they did was print prevent present generic arguments for a DS to God, I wouldn't have to say anything, and it would just wipe the floor with them, and we raise money for charity. But anyway, I appreciate the call. And. Yeah, we're we're not that that is not a big. Yeah. I yeah. Show. Glad it was able to call in the listening with all right? Thanks. Thanks. We're gonna keep going here. We've got Tim in Wisconsin. And I'm gonna let you Jim started with with ten because how are you Tim? Good. Thanks for having me on the show. It says here's your kids wanted you to call in. They did my son Leo and Lucas me calling their longtime listeners in they thought it would be really funny Tammy call on calling in right now. Wait. So during my story, they want you to call in to amuse them. And and who said, yes. Yeah. You're a great debt. You got point so far. Yeah. So I'm gonna I'm gonna let Jim start in with this. So that so that because I think that possibly your kids were waiting for me to eviscerate whatever it is that you're about to say, and I'm just not going to all be nice. But then you shouldn't disappoint by the end. Maybe. Anyway, we're glad you're here. Tim, go ahead. All right. Well, gradually on your show. And I actually have a birthday coming up March fourteenth this week out the mines thirty first. So we're all March. Thank you. Give it a little bit of background. I was raised Catholic and my parents through the through the seventies and eighties were part of the vengeful movement, and we moved there and for a very long time. It was very much involved with evangelical community, and I raised my kids in the community church. But then my wife at the time, her aunt Ripley hipping, giving me all these Catholic books, and I was like I really want to find out what the truth is. And so I started reading all the research that I've read about Christianity really pointed to the Roman church. And so I made that switch, and we're going to church, and my son Luke who has asked for just kept on sitting in the pews and just lying there during the church services, and so one service after catechism, we went to clean, I said, look, you know, once going on and is just. The dad, you know, I don't believe this anymore and as fundamentalist Christian. I was very concerned about his eternal future. Sure. And so we third having these arguments and discussions back and forth. And so for me to play Christian. I was conservative of his journal future burning in hell, and so we started going back and forth, and he sort of send me videos and articles, and then I served getting books, and I started to do the research, and as I did the research he left for trip in Mexico. And as he was Mexico. I was reading all these books to make a long story short after all this research. And what I would have concluded is that the origin of Christianity is in room. And there there's actually a book that you can read called Caesar's room. If you're familiar with it, and what I concluded in this is that all religions are at equal standing, they have evolved, just culture. Or religion and speech, and we're all part of the same in global tribe. And so when I son came back, very first thing, I did was took all these books that I had read I'm not going to get into the detail look toward, but that was one of them, and I had them in a plastic bag, and I said on the table, and I bought him and ice cream, and then I sat down with him and was sitting right across Luca than a lot of research. And you know, basically, I told my said, you know, you're right. And as I stood up. You just third we and crying, and they're seeing my son cried before because I I stood in judging over my son and his eternal pitcher, and as a Christian is very concerned that so and where I stand now with my seed and religion is that's all and equal grounds. I'm not an ATS FIA. So I would say that you know, from the research done, I'm probably more of an idealist than anything else. And I've done a lot of research. And I don't think I'm here to convince any of your listeners where any of your viewers of to believe or not believe I respect your views. It is a faith. It's a belief. It's very difficult to prove anything because if I don't put that out there for both of us, if the preceding the terms we want to embrace the truth wherever it is. We're willing to build their and we continue to have these discussions. And I think part of the reason why he wanted the. Come on the show today as I've done I researched. There's some things that don't necessarily crew that God exists, but definitely point toward a gun. Not talking about a personal God not talking about a genie controls things because if you watch one of my favorite movies, and it's horse. There's two questions that are asked in the movie. Are we predestined like ten Dan or things like a box of chocolates like mama said? And I think we're in a time where you know, you're got the free thoughts who free will to go where you wanna go. And do you want to do there's some things with them the Christian glee that people have our time explaining if God controls everything, and I'll just give it one simple example, if a baby is born and passes away, and no expression of faith, then some Christian beliefs. Some Christian doctrine say that they pass a special grace. But if the true nature. Or the the phone nature of man is in place than that would really. But there's some doctrines say, well, there's a special grace here. And even within the Catholic faith. There's a special grace applies Mary. Well, again, going back to religion. This is a creation of man, just like language is creation of man, just like culture is the creation of man just late. Dress is a creation of man. And so I think we are in the very infancy, and I'm very very 'cause I am very infancy of understanding all things really work and the way I see the world. Now is totally different. I see the world bully. I've seen you. I see Jim right, Jim as my brothers on this planet, and we're all trying to do one thing you you've really thought about this trying to uncover the truth the truth. There's a lot time back there. Let me let me start from from parent. I just want to say one more thing to that. You know, you look at some of the greatest minds like, I'm Stein. And I'm basically said, you know, this is very very difficult to understand. We see a universe Marvis. We arranged dating certain laws, but we understand those laws. Jim Lee, are limited mind cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellation and then Nikola tesla said the idea came to me like in a flash of lightning in an instant the truth was revealed to him there is no conflict between ideal of religion and the ideal science he's wrong, and then or was room intimidate. He said, I just want to say one more thing if saying that in re in relationship to mass point all matter originates only by virtue. Of course, we must assume behind this force is the existence conscience until just mind and age, I'm not the same person. I was when I a child on my first memory as a child is when I walked out into the world and variance to world. I did not know how to speak but could experience God I felt God. But didn't know the words of God. I didn't know any church or any religion. And so that's what I carry with me. And that's why believe in God. So it's a belief. Okay. You guys believe right now that there is. No, that's okay. So we've got a million things to thank you for quoting so many scientists who I think are monumentally wrong on this subject. It doesn't add anything to either side to side somebody, you know, MAC. Flank was wrong is was wrong. Is Newton was wrong. You know? But go ahead, you I'm gonna let you pick apart a lot of these arguments. But the one thing that caught my attention, apparently, I have a fourteen year old and a fifteen year old an office. Parents we think it is our job to you know, we bring up our children, we educate them. But I will tell you from having to amazing children. I learned as much from them oftentimes. And the fact that you know, I think it's important you listen to your son, and you have a conversation because a lot of parents, it can be very unhealthy when you have that view that you're gonna burn in hell forever. And I've seen parents abandoned their kids, and it can be so harmful. So I know you had those thoughts. But from what I hear. I'm hoping that, you know, you're actually having a dialogue, and it's okay. If you don't agree, and that most importantly of all these things is that this is your son, and you family, and that is the most important thing. Absolutely. And so I wanna thank you for that. Nell some of these arguments were while you're listening. You're it sounds like you're on this journey went this path. And you went off the path quite a bit and talk about some some of these arguments and fallacies of you can't say, they're all true like, you know, validating or all week will that I just not possible they're saying different things in contra there's doing away take it away and have fun. So first thing was you mentioned it because he's Rome. Are you? Sure. It wasn't a book called Caesar's messiah. Okay. My opinion. And it's the opinion of some others is that that book is conspiracy theorist garbage. And I really, you know, it's it's a mistake. To portray Christianity as if it were invented in the fourth century by the pope in the Masons. The fact that there are similarities in stories doesn't lead to the conclusion that believe that's I think that's at will. But it doesn't necessarily inclusion gets too. But in any case, what led you to this notion that all religions are equal. And this is a common thing where people are trying to say, you know, religions are just Mansfield attempt to all describe the same thing. But the truth is that the varying religions make very different claims about things some of them have similar claims. And that's not surprising, the notion that there is a God is a is a natural transition from, hey, I'm a person, and I have these capabilities to maybe there's a super person who has better capabilities to well. Then maybe there must be a maximum super person that has these capabilities, it's a natural progression. But that doesn't mean that it's remotely true. And I have a problem saying that all religions are equal or whatever because the nature of their claims aren't the same. And there are things we know we know that Scientology is an invented fiction. By Ron Hubbard. We know that Mormonism is ally constructed by Joseph Smith con artist. So can't put those on the same footing. As other religions because we also believe that there are other religions that weren't done in the sense of intentionally constructing ally. Instead, it's better. It's for me. It's more plausible that human beings drive this all problems, and they told stories and they made mistakes and the ones that were most popular and least subject to being proven false are the ones that persist today. If you have a religion that says, oh, you know, lightning is, you know, Odin chucking electricity down. Well, okay. That could still be the case. But we understand enough about how electric city works. How lightning works that that seems to be a really kind of ridiculous claim? Whereas if you say, oh, well, we don't know anything beyond the plank time, and it seems philosophically intuition that something must have occurred to start off big banks. Small G or whatever cosmological model is correct. And you know, when max point looks at it and says that we have to in in for mind behind this. I think he's just wrong. I think what would the only reason that he's willing to infer mind is because someone has already asserted a mind. And so when we're looking for what is the explanation for any phenomena? We make a list of all the candidate explanations. Then we try to evaluate how likely they are. You know, if there's a bloodstain on my kitchen floors, it more likely that somebody cut themselves while preparing food or that a serial killer came in and slaughtered somebody and then drugged the body off. We know about the likelihood of those two events, and then we reach more probable conclusion. The problem is what if the third option is God placed blood on the floor of my kitchen just to fuck with me. Now, that's a completely unfalsifiable proposition. There's no way for me to show that that did not happen. And for. Somebody who thinks that God is absolutely real. And that God may do this sort of thing to me specifically for some purpose. I can't understand then for them that's going to appear as if it's the most plausible explanation, despite the fact that we don't have any evidence for God. We don't have anything to show how how probable it is that God would do something like this. So in your case moving from Catholicism away too. Well, all these religions are are equal or perhaps equally wrong or some Louis wrong, whatever, but still believing in some base, the ISM the question that I have is what convinces you that. There's some God behind it. Because you ruled out a number of specific types of God's like, it seemed like you are almost arguing for DS tick view, where there's a God that started it all off, but does not intervene and just so I'm curious. Do you think there's a God that intervenes in in nature or intervenes in a personal sense? And what is it about? What what is the case that keeps you convinced after abandoning religious doctrine that they're still a God. Well, I were the I apologize for talking so fast to my son was to me. My my son was dad, you're you're talking to fast. So is probably a good idea gives me from interrupting. I think it goes back to when I was a kid, and I want I couldn't speak. I was still in diapers. And I remember walking out the front porch and then walk into the world. And thought without words, I didn't know words were they know how to speak. I knew and felt that I was a creature within this place. Whatever it was didn't know what the worldwide that. Didn't know what this guy was I couldn't even porn related. But I just thought, you know, this is I'm part of this. And as I look at, you know, quantum mechanics boy and oh. It looks like that God is holding us together. Or force is holding us all together. Those are two different thing. So force. Okay. Worse is very God forces very ill defined and a force doesn't necessarily have agency or any of the things that we attribute to God. But one of heard so far is that you had self awareness and no understanding of language, and I'm presuming at this time that you also had no critical thinking, skills and investigative skills. And yet you reached a conclusion about a deity at that point that is just lingered with you your entire life. I don't know if I would even say, it was a deity other than a feeling that I was a creature with them this point and face. Oh, that's a good way to reach conclusions. I think it's a it's a good intuition. I think we all have intuition is it possible to have a personal experience and be wrong. Of course, it's possible. Is that a good methodology used as possible to have an intuition? That's not correct. Of course, it's possible to have into Jenin, Iran. Okay. So how do we go about finding out whether or not an intuition is correct or not? Well, that's what I've done the research on. Okay. And it went into you know, quantum? Okay. Canucks quantum mechanics has nothing to do with the God. There's no God in math. There's no God in the calculations the people who best understand quantum quantum mechanics, certainly tend to not believe in God. But. If you begin with his intuition that there is a God. And you see something within quantum mechanics? Something like, you know, spooky action at a distance. Now, you have a ready potential explanation. That is consistent with that observation, but is not necessarily tied to that observe -ation. So the fact that there are things within quantum mechanics that we don't understand particularly well that might be consistent with God proposals. And the fact that you're quick to like put God in force in the same category. We need something where you define a God distinctly and show a demonstration of why this God exists or likely exists. And it can't just be. Oh, it seems like it would be a good explanation for this thing. We've observed because that's what we've done forever. That's called. God of the gaps. I think it kind of almost back to our conscience mines awareness. Okay. So, you know, this this consciousness, and they're they're plenty of studies out. There were people that have come back and seeing themselves on the operating table people that have intuition with what's happening with other people if they pass away and just feel connection, I think might be so first of all consciousness, isn't explained or understood second of all near death experiences are near death and not death. And what we know about how the mind works is that a mind that is is in the process of dying starved, vox, jn and other things may not be functioning correctly. And that what most likely happens is that when somebody loses consciousness on an operating table and then comes to at a later time where they have been revived. What does the brain? Do it tries to create a story that describes that missing period or that period of confusion. But even if somebody were accurately describing let's say a trip to heaven which has been faked and admitted to be faked even within the last year or so, but also people tend to see the religious iconography that they grew up with Catholics. Tennessee, Catholic iconography and Baptist innoc- Baptist. I can Agassi and you very rarely get some crossover. You certainly aren't going to get it. Where people haven't been exposed at all of these things. But at the end of the day, let's say that Jim dies tomorrow on the table. And after a fairly long time. Let's say longer than anybody else. He is now revived and he comes to me. And he's like Matt let me tell you what happened while I was out. Now, my first thing is how the hell do, you know, what happened while you were out the most reasonable conclusion of your brain made something up after the fact, but? Setting aside that I don't want to jump to conclusions. And he describes a trip to his version of paradise. Now, let's say that he actually did experience. All that. How does it in any way confirm that what he experienced in fact, real? And if he experienced that how do we determine that the best explanation for that is that there is a God showing him a paradise and not some other explanation. I think it's just it's it's your believe it's personal. Okay. Is there any position that you couldn't just take on faith? Couldn't I think white people are better than black people just on faith. I don't know if I would agree. You don't think I take that on faith? I think you could be I don't know if I like your example is what I'm saying. I think you could take you know, I believe that this glasses the guy that the universe. Is it possible? Stop stop. We already agreed that intuitions can be wrong. And yet if you have to take an intuition on faith, then it would seem to follow. And I would hope that you would agree that it's possible that you could take an intuition on faith. That is in fact, wrong, right? Of course. Okay. Now, if faith can lead you to correct and incorrect conclusions than we should be able to agree that faith is not a reliable method for discovering the truth. Correct. But we're going expressing faith. You're you're saying that there is no gods. No, first of all, no stopped him, stop seriously. I promise I'm trying to help you. I am not claiming that there are no gods. And I'm not claiming that that position to whatever extent. I haven't is based on faith. What I asked was if it's possible for faith to affirm an incorrect intuition than doesn't that mean that faith is not a reliable path to truth. That was the question. I know that the question, but you're saying that there's no, but yes, this is a yes or no question isn't the position. No. And the no stopped him. I swear the eighth ius position is completely irrelevant to this conversation. Just like the position on Bigfoot is relevant to the conversation. Just like the position on God is irrelevant to this conversation. I'm talking about the methodology if faith can lead you to true conclusions and false conclusions than isn't faith and unreliable method for reaching the truth. That's it. It's an abstract about the methodology if you are basing your elite on observable science than I would have to agree. But if God exists in got time outside of states time, how could you ever conclude or bailed appro- God exists guys? Just you can't. And that's why you could never be justified in believing in a God. If your if your view is that you now believe in a God that could never be proved then you are meeting. You are engaged in irrational act. You are affirming that you believe something is true. And that you believe that you couldn't possibly be justified in believing that it's true. And the telling part of this is this was a very simple question that had nothing to do with God. No, God, Bigfoot, whatever it was intuitions can be right or wrong. And if you believe in intuition based on faith, it can still be right or wrong, and doesn't that mean that faith is not a reliable mechanism for discovering truth, and there's one and only one correct answer to that. And that is yes. But whatever is in your head would not allow you to say, yes. Even though you know, that's the only answer because you know, that the follow up question to that. Is you just justified your intuition based on faith? And now you've ignored that faith is not a reliable path to truth. So how then can you justify your belief and something inside your head knows that that's not the case. Which is why you wouldn't answer that simple obvious question where am I wrong, where am I? At all wrong. I think the logic based on science. There's no way to prove that God exists within the space time. It got exists outside of space time. So it doesn't that mean doesn't that mean you would need us some method other than science in order to have justified belief of that? I don't know that that would be I don't either. But you've provided a method which is faith, which I pointed out is unreliable. So now, we now we've eliminated faith as a good method to tell the truth. So we would need another method till the truth. And if you don't know what that method is. Then isn't that an admission that you now believe something for what you have no reliable method to know that it's real. I believe something that I don't have science at the current moment. Prove okay, we've established we've established that you don't have science for it. What do you have? And how is it? A reliable pathway to truth. Intuition face. Yep. And and if we would agree that an intuition phase does not necessarily the truth, and we agree on that. Right. Then you don't have a reliable method for your believe, which means you cannot reasonably hold it. But I'm the flip side of that science served off with a idea hypothesis belief, and then they trusting no when they go through measurement and go through and calculate. It's it's not it'll okay. I just want to correct this because you acquainted hypothesis with belief the way we would typically describe this is that there's some observation we need an explanation. We come up with a hypothesis. It's not a belief. It is a suspicion. It is a proposition about a possible explanation. And then we go into the testing to confirm whether or not we have good reason to accept that. This is a likely explanation. And then when we reach the point where this becomes a theory, which is the highest standard science that is not an assertion that we are absolutely certain or that this is the truth. All it means is this is the best supported model that best explains the observation and makes predictions in such a way that we can be reasonably confident that it's likely to be true. It's not an assertion about. Truth, but all that is secondary. Because if we spend time talking about how science would go about testing things, and you've already said that science camp confirmed God, then it's pointless to talk about science. If we're talking about whether or not somebody can rationally believe in God. So we would need another mechanism. And I don't I don't know what that would be whether we don't either. But whether we believe it or not, I mean, don't you believe that there is a truth out there? There's either God exists either got it or God does not right. Correct. I'm choosing. I'm choosing to believe in God. Because in the you don't choose what you believe you do not choose what you believe you are either convinced or you're not, and you can be convinced for good reasons or bad reasons. But while I would agree that it is true that either some got exists or no God exists that those are direct logical negations. The proposition is is belief in that there is a God warranted. And my answer is no it's not warranted. That does not mean that belief that there's not a God is warranted. Because that proposition may be unfalsifiable you could you could come up with a God description that there's no way to prove it's false. And that means that you could not have a reasonable just. Gatien for accepting that you would basically claiming to have falsified the unfalsifiable in much the same way that you Tim have have essentially claimed that you have detected the undetectable if God is essentially undetectable, and your method for detecting, God is unreliable thing of haven't intuition and faith, then you're essentially claiming detected undetectable. I'm not a starting. There are no gods. I'm certainly not exerting asserting it with any degree of confidence or anything like that. My position is that the God claim has not demonstrated met its burden of proof. The no hypothesis the thing that we start with kind of like a foundation. It's like you're innocent until proven guilty. We begin by assuming you're innocent. And we have to build a burden of proof to show that you are in fact guilty. Similarly, if you've you God as being accused of existing we begin that, God does not exist until such time as there's a demonstration of it. And when there is then belief is warranted. And if that. Doesn't come. Then we have to vote not guilty, which is not a statement that God doesn't exist. It's a statement that we have not demonstrated that God exists. That's the difference now for some gods for some God definitions. I absolutely believe. They don't exist in. I think I can make a great case for it including most versions of the Christian God, Tim, mentally. He was reading books. Anybody, you know, some of the conspiracy theory books as is their books, you would recommend to take him down a path of some of these things that you would recommend Tim. Would you read them? Or if we send them to you off air either way, if we don't come up on the spot where we would you actually re read them, the the first the first two books that I recommend to everybody. Even even you know when they develop more specific interests or other books to go to the first two books. I always recommend one book is a book called in numeracy by John Allen Paulos. It has nothing to do with religion or that much about philosophy. It's about how bad we are at math and how prone to misunderstandings to ticks, and it is a good starter. Book to kind of retrain, your brain to be suspicious when you hear statistics numbers like, oh, well, the odds of of Arna producing or evolving out of nothing are one to tend to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and it allows people called numeracy the authors, John, Alan Paulos. It's one of the best life changing books ever seen or read reminds me a lot of how much my life was changed by like. James Burke, and connections and the day the universe changed even more than Cosmo's, the one book on religion that I tend to recommend to everybody because I think it's it's really good. There's one problem chapter in it, but guide Pearson who's the author, and I spoke about it. And he understood why objected but guy Pearson has a book called fifty reasons. People give for believing in God. And each one's just short little essay. Were you present a reason? And then guy offers his thoughts on it. It's really good. It's acceptable to anybody. And it will help people narrow down their focus on where they wanna go further. You know, DNA to go read the God delusion or are you more focused on the science stuff? And then you go to Jerry coins wad Lucien is true. And then you, but if you're not as big on books there countless video sources, not only my my own eighth ius debates project where I go through stuff, but there's great like the William lane Craig versus Sean Carroll debate is really good because you have an actual physicist pointing out that Bill Craig is not a physicist. And then that he's misusing a model. There's lots of great resources out there. But the key thing is is to start training critical thinking skills and skepticism to to get a foundation behind logical fallacies and Syllogisms in y we need those structures because a lot of people think that if an argument is fallacious that means the conclusion is false. And that's not the case what it means is argument is fallacious that you cannot be confident that conclusion is true. However, if an arguments, not fallacious, if it has a proper structure, if you accept the premises you have to accept the conclusion, and when you come into conflict with that you get into like sorry for the technical terms, but reductio ad absurdum where you're like, wait a minute. I don't accept this conclusion that must mean that one of my premises is wrong. So if you begin with God exists as a premise and lead you to a conclusion that contradicts some observation than that. You know, if the conclusion is true than one of the premises is wrong. And it may be the this one about God existing, but those those are the two books tend to recommend or. Chretien goes beyond simple and just make one final statement. Then I'll go, okay. The way I can just summarize this is like I've been invited to a party. And I'm in the person through the party, I'm in their house to house, and I feel that if I don't at least now edge person that invited me that's the party. It's a disservice and for me to say, and to conclude I just could not conclude because there is as we already said, there's no way to prove or disprove it. So I guess I lean on the side of believing. There is a God. Because if God exists, and I'm a creature of God. Then in the end the truth will be revealed, and I'd rather live my life, at least being thankful that it was invited to the party with that soothing let me let me give you one question to think about Tim, if you're there are you there I'm here. Okay. What if you think you're at a party, but you're actually standing on the street with? Everybody else nobody invited you there. How do you prove that you are out of party and were invited to the party? Not not just that you feel you were invited to a party because what you're describing is as if you were invited to the party of life, and as far as I can tell the universes entirely indifferent about us. I wasn't invited to this party of life. I'm just here on the street with everybody else. And sometimes we gathered together in clusters and have fun. But that doesn't mean it was a a structured invited party. And so finding I think that just goes back to the orange him. How you're feeling about it thinking about it in how I feel about it. Even though does get to the fact that we feel differently about it. But here's the thing. There should be a way to demonstrate that we are at a party that we were invited to if I've ever been actually invited to a party. I have the invitation and everybody else at the party says, hey, isn't this a good party? And we all have invitations. So there's a way to demonstrate whether or not you're invited to a party. And if you can't demonstrate that maybe weren't, and I believe that it is an of the fact that we're here that we exist that we have a conscious mind, we, you know, going through we haven't even gotten into the whole evolution. And that's like saying that you believe you're at a party because I'm surrounded by people, and we're all laughing and having a good time. That doesn't mean I'm at a party. The fact that those things are consistent with the party doesn't mean that it is a party. I'm surrounded by party with people that this is my place. I think create I didn't create my body. I think create my mind, I didn't create any this. My parents didn't do it. But you're presuming presuming that there's a who that created these things when all of the when all of the evidence points to natural processes constructed these things we are living things, we are the product of our parents. But we have conscience mind. So do my parents. That's why I haven't conscious mind because I'm the descendant of creatures that had conscious minds. Leave you with this. Listen to your kids, and the fact that they got. The fact that they got you to call in a huge first step back that you were willing to call in. And you made the premise that. Hey, kids, what to come in for their amusement thinking, you know, that you would be ridiculed which obviously weren't we had a really good conversation. I will commend you for that. But I hope you continue this journey and listen to your kids your kids need to know that you are in the top one percent of people who've ever called this show as far as having a good conversation. And maybe we'll meet at at a later date. And if you go down this path, I think your views very much different here from now. And I and I would love to hear from you that and if they're not we'd still love to hear from you. So thanks for your call, Tim. I appreciate it. Conversations that I like those a good conversation. I it's really frustrating p people often wonder, you know, when I I found my way out I was looking for the silver bullet argument that would put religion superstition, and you know, supernatural stuff just to to to bed bump done with that Matt assault fixed the world fucking genius turns out there's nothing at all like that. Because people believe for different reasons people are going to give it up for different reasons and some people are different stages. And so that that point where it was like, okay, we agree intuition, isn't reliable, and we agree that faith isn't reliable. So doesn't that mean that we are doesn't that mean that faith is not reliable path the truth, and the fact that that couldn't get into immediate? Yes. Told me a great deal about exactly where Tim was. And this is the thing about religion. Is that religions that have survived that incredibly popular? They are the ones that don't make too many falsifiable claims. And the ones that have built in protective mechanisms where they are intuition. Only the case. Well, I can't explain consciousness therefore God, I can't explain life. Therefore, God, I can't explain the origin of the universe there for God. And if God is there is this panacea that serves as a potential explanation for anything. It's frustrating to me that they don't recognize that in fact explains nothing and it takes time. Yeah. And that's the thing in in in Tim's going down this path. I remember, you know, my wife, we were we were talking to a priest. She knew nothing about religion. We're getting married Catholic priests explained the Eucharist tour, and she's like you want me to eat who and drink. What like that was my moment of I'm not joining your cannibal. Right. And like they actually after not to come back like, but that was my moment of doubt. But from that point where I was like, I believe crazy shit. It took me ten years to become an atheist. Yeah. That transition, you know, it takes time. It's not this. I can point back to that. One thing that got me doubting. Just like Tim's one thing where he had a conversation with his kid, and it's not even a line in the sand because it can be that you maybe stop believing this. But you're not necessarily sure where you are. And then I went. Yeah. Catholic Christian Dior little wiccan there somewhere for a few minutes, you know, eventually to to to like, wait a minute. I thought about it one day. I'm like, no, I am anxious. Put it took ten next week. You'll be satanist. I don't know about that. But you know, reading some of the books watching the eighth experience. And also when like for me when I start watching this show. I was like I know that you know, I think these things are wrong. But I couldn't articulate my arguments. Yeah. So I would watch this show. So that I could have conversations with friends with family have them. Well, so because they would say things, and I'm like, I don't know, you know, and this was a great way to to have some of those conversations that's an incredibly frustrating answer to people who think they do know. And it's a great answer. It's the right answer quite often. I, you know, the debate that I did two weeks ago with Braxton hundred. There was a gentleman the very person who and ask the question was basically, very frustrated that the subject the bait was does the Christian God, exist, and Brexit. Braxton's answer was yes. And my answer was I don't know. And and that was it wasn't the starting point. My my thing is that I think that I can disprove any religion definitely any religion that has a reliance on the concept of a soul, which I did not do in that debate. But I I will be hitting it in the next one. I think, you know, divine hidden us and inconsistent revelations all there, but this kid got up and was like why didn't do you answer with a dog Matic. No. Or a maybe. And I was like, oh, I thought I dressed this. I answer with I don't know. And then well atheism is is the assumption that no gods exist, and I was like no words have different usage. And I'm trying to explain to him the same thing that I did today, and he's rolling his eyes and dancing around just giving me outta toot. And and I know I got I got a little Pissy, and I tried to explain this. And I was like did. Suggest that I'm wrong about atheism. And he's like, yes. And I'm like, well, you know, having host of the show of the year and done all this. I'm trying to you the word has different usages. And you're telling me, I'm wrong. And he's like, I don't care how you defined it. And I and that's when I said, well, then we're done. Let's move on. Why the hell are you my event why why on earth? Would you come to listen to me talk? And then when I tried to explain to you how how we're doing something differently. And how I'm using auto care how you defined it. Well, I don't care what the rest of your fucking question was because it's time to move on. It's but it's frustrating because I I saw this stuff again and what I recognized from him which I wish I would handled slightly differently. But it's the end of the debate. And whatever was this is another protective mechanism. He hasn't his head of very straw. Manny version of eight theism that he thinks he can knock down. And when somebody presents any other version of atheism that's incredibly frustrating because wait a minute matches said he doesn't know that as an agnostic not an atheist or whatever as if that funding. Mentally changes anything about the debate. Whether or not what label you put on me out, or maybe maybe I was a true pure Huxley agnostic where my answer is. I don't know if I ended that position the entire debate than what uses it for you to get up and say will you don't qualify as an Avia stone of my definition. Okay. I don't care how you define Avium. Oh, now of a sudden that takes on a different context. But anyway, we're gonna bunch of calls to get through and and not loads of time. So we have Taylor in California. Thanks for waiting. You're on with Matt and Jim Hilton or mental health. Guys around the on. I know he was talking about this on secretary is really good show. No, I I'm. I'm Steven I are not going to have a conversation around this for various reasons, but. I like it show shows really cool flatter. And I enjoy watching it. I'm gonna bible Brigham cushion, the heart faith-based, and I I was listening to what you're saying. I agree with you. It isn't always. Is the true? Okay. Inclinations right in the bible says persuasion, we'll persuaded we know persuasion technique. I I'm a I'm a magician, and I can persuade people of all kinds of things. Con artists are very persuasive. What we need is evidence. Not persuasion. It is it is the evidence that does the persuasion. And the God of the bible claims the Romans, right? Well, hang on. 'cause we have known hang on if you. So there's a problem with that phrasing. The God of the bible claims in the book of Romans is an assertion that you have a book, and that this God is saying instead, it would be better to say the book of Romans says. Are you going to Romans one nine or? The women one nineteen nineteen. All right. That's the evidence of all go ahead. I thought ended the claim that he is he has for him church because we have known God manifest in them the believers and God's showed it onto them for the invisible things from creation of the world or clearly thing being understood by the thing that are made in the internal power of the God head so that we can witness him in creation. Yes, L, and do you understand that this is a fallacious assertion because it circular the observation of nature? Leads to a couple of possibilities one. That nature was created and to that nature. Evolve. That it wasn't created or did not have an intelligent creator. And when Romans states that for the invisible things of his nature are evident in nature that is an assertion that. Basically that argument is look at the trees you look at a tree. And you know, there's a God except that that is a fully argument. I'll make that organ. They're all saying, but that's what the Hebrew rooms you're making what? I'm saying we look at the garden by the whole level. Meaning that it has to be the way he's he's a born line personality. If you will he's somebody that loves you and then two minutes later issue. Yes. It gives you the the case of the court, and you get the corner if you to party, right? If you don't just go straightforward and come back, I'm gonna ground you. And then you're going to take a gas. That's in the by the oh, yeah. I'm gonna be going a couple of days. He. They'll give you light. It's curious to me right Bill. You could die any moment. It's curious to me that you want to take it on the whole character. The of God is describing the bible, and then you can that the God of the bible is described with massively different and conflicting character traits. How that would be personnel. Yeah. I okay. So you're God God is occasionally, dick. And you're okay with. Okay. Here's the more important question. Dick or not how do you know your gods? Real. I can see this Memphis reality. Like, I know like God. No, I would know my dad, I would know my dad is real when he manifest in reality by handing me the car keys, if you're going to use an analogy or metaphorical analysis like that you need to have some demonstration of how you know that there is a God handing you the metaphorical car keys. God says invisible. How do you know your God says no no win win win win? Hang on Taylor winning. Where did God say he's invisible? I will say all the bible. Why should I care what the bible says? Because that's my God. God, I believe in. How is that? Not a circular argument. I point. Sure. Believe in the God of the bible. So you believe in the you believe in the God or not Taylor. I'm trying to make disease possible. The bible says something, and you believe it because you believe that it's God saying. Right. I the bible in quits reality. When we read the bible. I don't know what the hell that means or how it's relevant to this questions. Let me try again, you believe the bible, correct? Every bit of it every single were. And so if God command something in the bible, it's morally, correct? Absolutely not. Wait. Absolutely. So God can command things in the bible. That are immoral. Absolutely. What do you think created good and evil? That's not what that passage. That's not what that passage means earn the like, I do the good. I know what the passage says, and I know atheists use that all the time to say that God is the creator goodn- evil. But if you actually studied theology on every major Christian, and Jewish understanding that that is not what that passage means. But okay, so. Yeah. I know lots of things you don't. But here's the thing you have in. I'm sure. I'm sure that you know, lots of things that I don't do that. Let's focus on what's relevant. So you have a particularly esoteric view of that verse. And so you have a God that is some bipolar, dick. Who is good and evil? Cool. All I'm concerned about is. How would we go about having a reasonable demonstration that this God is is real? And your answer was that you believe the bible, and when I asked why should I care what the bible has to say your thing is because it's from God. And then you would need to demonstrate why it's from God. And you can't use the bible as confirmation of that. Or it becomes a circular argument, which is fallacious stay as back was the bible unpersuaded believe the bible God. Okay. You could clearly proven to me. God. I would have no you've set up Taylor. You've set up the most unfalsifiable proposition of all time for your view of Christianity because the type of things that we would use to show that the bible was perhaps not the word of God would be show that something the bible said is inconsistent with the character that we would expect from God. But you're God can be anything. Good evil. Nice, dick, whatever. And so there's no way to show that beyond showing technical failure. Which I guess your God could be technically wrong about stuff too, right? He can't live. It can't he cannot lie. Again, do they can lie. He could not decide for you. Whether or not you could decide whether Adam was gonna take the Happel. He did not know whether we're gonna take the apple so you're God doesn't know the future. So how could possibly be prophecy in in the bible? Providence is quitting. He knows the conclusion of what will be and what would it be you? So he didn't know he didn't know that Adam was going to eat the apple, but he knew that mankind was going to be sinful and fallen and that he would need to send Jesus that's bizarrely absurd. It it didn't know that that that dispense overtime. So there's all kinds of gut in the. Okay. You got a week ask God, dude. Now, how do you prove is real? That's what I'm saying. If we had an old good God that would falsify the bible if we had an old bad God. We've got a good and there's only one so he's for everything and God is everybody. But if you're God is on part, if you're God is on par with a coin toss. Then how do you distinguish randomness to say that there's a God involved? Randomness. Well, you're you're God can do whatever you want. So let's say something good happens. People can credit God, something bad happens. People could credit God, right? How do we tell when God has actually been involved in something or not if it can go either way? He's in order for him to be he's involved in everything. So he was involved in Adam eating apple and yet he didn't know that was going to happen. So he's is involved in incisions that he doesn't know about. This is no about gives you your allow the opportunity isn't no you could you personally the image. Right. So that means you. Does evil since we're short on time. And because I guess I'm just gonna put a pen in this. And you have propositioned a confused non-standard self-contradictory God. And you're okay with it. Which is how you can't show that there's a contradiction. So you're right. There's no way for me to disprove your God when you figure out how you could possibly prove your God. Give us a call back. I don't know how you can. I. Oh, my God could land on heads or tails. But every time that choline lands. No matter what it is. I know that God was involved in that. Good job. I don't know will go on. We've got oh tangible in Brazil. Thank you for waiting. Good. My team. So by seen several episodes fuse, I am gonna catacomb Clewiston four thirty four years, and the I basically endorse the exact opposite view that the US in my view and paints of God is impossible the non existence of God is impossible before I justify that. I would like to ask you fully. I I I wanna make sure understand you believe in God. Because of the impossibility of the contrary. I believe that it is not possible. God not to exist. Okay. We're gonna have to define some things. But you said before you demonstrated that you wanted to do what? I would like to exemplify. I believe this. Okay. Well, isn't that this? If you're getting ready to. Wow. This is. You say that you believe in God because it's impossible for God's not exist. But before you explain this, you want to tell us why you believe it. Oh, how is that different? How no no this is this is an incredibly interesting sticking point for me. Because if I say, I believe that God doesn't exist. But before I tell you why let me tell you why. So how about you define the terms? And then just tell us why. Okay. I believe that. Even history of God is impossible to define God. Just kind of jank designer intelligent designer of what? And how intelligent. Create sort of the universe live by diversity everything. Thanks. So God is an intelligence that is sufficiently intelligent to create everything. If okay. And you think it is impossible that that's not true. Exactly. Yes. What would what would possibly show that? You were wrong. If we were to show, for example, a natural process that accounted for the diversity of life. Wouldn't that? Then show you're wrong. If you can show, I would like to come to the cosmological argument, the nothing and just one I would like to imply to you why I believe what I believe. But not with the cosmological argument. I didn't mention the cosmological argument. I was talking about life cosmological argument about the origin of the cosmos. Okay. Now, that's go to life. Well, I don't I don't necessarily need to go to life. Either. Your you have proposed to God that is capable of every creating anything that that actually exists. And you say it's impossible for that to not be true. And all I'm saying is how how do you come to the conclusion that it is impossible for it? Thing has no power to do something. Dob our fingers all first of all your search in that something cannot come from nothing is something you cannot demonstrate. I don't demonstrate. Yes, you do. You. Don't just get to assert it and keep going. You know? Yes, sir. You don't get to say something can't think. No, stop stop stop. I'm explaining why you cannot merely assert that. Of course, you can say it. I can say the moon is made of green cheese. You don't get to assert that something cannot come from nothing and expect someone to accept that until you demonstrated and you have no nothing with which to to to demonstrate this. Oh, you're wrong. Okay. Where where's your nothing? Where's your nothing? Listen what where's your nothing? You answer the questions I asked her were moving on. We're almost at a time. Where's the nothing that you were able to experiment with to show that something can't come from it? Absolutely nothing is by definition absence of anything. I agree. I agree that that is the definition of nothing. But you know, what the definition of nothing Dopp up and let me finish. If the definition of nothing is that it doesn't have anything then that's fine. But until the definition of nothing is something cannot come from it. You have worked to do to prove that assertion. No, yes. By. If the definition of peanut butter is a creamy substance with chunks made a peanuts, and it has to be chunky or your heretic. It just correct you're wrong about absolutely. But if that's the definition of peanut butter, you don't get to say a Jillian peanut butter sandwich. Come from peanut butter because peanut butter is defined as a creamy, substance Mehta peanuts. You only get to claim. It is true by definition. If the definition of peanut butter is something from which peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Cannot come by the way, scientists aren't necessarily proposing something from nothing that's an actual absurdity. There were actually problems with the question. I asked you that I was hoping you could see if you could identify, but you just kept going right down that track. Nothing isn't thing and trying to find nothing. As thing is already a mistake. It's like trying to talk about before time. Hey, what happened before time nothing because happenings occurrences are temporal. They require time. They occur over some period of time. So to say. What happened before time is already nonsensical? It's like saying how did peanut butter? Great the universe. Oh, well, you're assuming and you're assuming that there is in fact, a crater when you defined God is that being which is capable of creating anything. You don't get to say it's impossible for that. Not be true. You have to show why that is in fact, necessarily true. And if you can't do that for your something from nothing claim that I have no confidence that you're going to continue on beyond that, we get a cold defend creamy peanut butter and pulp for your juice and just rip it apart. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I'm you can take over fake pulp free, orange juice and give yourself an animal with it. Because there's pulp in orange juice. No. I'm just kidding. All right. Let's get to a couple more real quick. We've got Jeff in Florida. Thanks for waiting. A met. I'm so glad that you guys started off with the angry about group saying because type into really the main point I wanted to make actually if you mind that's actually monumentally more important than what I was going to say. So you might if I just take a second to talk about, you know, motivated region reasoning and in group out group. I mean, we we're we're overtime. But you know, if you if that's what you wanna do and keep your go for it. Well, right. So in group out group like you guys mentioned this study, and they've actually done studies about you know, how motivated reasoning is plays a huge role in group out group. They give you might wanna find motivated reasoning for people. Right. So they give study to Republicans and Democrats and Republicans believe the study came from another Republican. They've you it one way, you know, much much more fancy way of saying that we have internal biases. Right. So like I actually tried calling in before. And it was a complete disaster. You guys understood that you thought I was hissed, and like I was calling to defend like I was calling to point out like a bad argument that I thought you made. And basically, I you guys that you know, I was at the in. Jim wasn't here. This was with Matt right? Okay. And what was the argument? Well, like, I wanna I wanna take a recent example of like what I thought was really bad argument. And I think this is an example of like if you had the idea that the other person on the end of the call was like, you know, and they just or or, you know, agnostic, and you like you have a different opinion like the outcome would be different like, so what was sort of stunted with was that like the guy the guy defined? So this is talking the guy defined naturalism as all that exists is study of all by the natural sciences. And in my view, like that's like, I know a lot about Nestle methodological naturals in versus awful naturals. And you know, I've I've thought it over intelligent design child very closely. So like. I mean to me that's a completely natural. Definition like, but you. Sort of interrupted in and said like, well, that's the same as Beth logical naturalism. But the I mean, you said he was completing mental logical naturals with those officle naturalism. But and then you said only you gave a different nation of only natural things. Which is sort of like we have to stop to stop, Jeff. I don't remember the details of this call. I have no confidence that you're getting it. Right. I have no way to assess it without actually listening to the call instead of trying to replay call in your head and tell me what went wrong, just see if we agree or disagree on thing. Because is it possible that I misspoke sure is possible that you misunderstood sure. But oh, here's a call where you said this, and he kind of said this. And I think you've got that does. Nobody any good. Okay. So this is why I think it's important like you were defining naturalism in a way that sort of the excluded. Like most basically what you did was you've made why we're still talking about. What I did. When I specifically said, let's stop talking about what I did. And see if we can agree. Okay. So let me let me let me make this. Let me make this easy naturalism is a word that is used tossed around. And yet there are multiple different usages of it. There is the notion of philosophical naturalism, which is basically an assertion that only the natural world exist, and then there's method naturalism which is scientists recognition that we cannot investigate and confirm the supernatural. So we don't get deposit supernatural explanations. It is not claiming there's nothing supernatural. It's saying we're not going to include potential supernatural events until such time. We have a way to actually include them methodologically to show that there's something supernatural. And that's when it gets involved science. That's it. That's the difference between philosophical and methodological naturalism. What did I get wrong? The rea the reason it's important to get this rate is like you said what did I get wrong? What did I get wrong? Just then. Okay. What did you get wrong? Just then just now, and what I just said that's the most important thing right of I thought, well, I thought the important thing was correcting the record. But no, you're not listening. To me. I said it's a waste of time for us to go through what you think I said in a call versus what I'd not going to remember about what I said in a call because I don't have the call here to review, but let's see if we can figure out if we agree. So I gave you definitions. So that I can figure out if we're in agreement then you can send me an Email with a specific show in the time stamp, and I can go back and look and say, Yep. I fucked that up and offer a correction or I can go back and say, Nope. This caller completely misunderstood what I was saying. Or there's a third option with something else. So I wanna know is is what I just explained to you about naturalism in agreement with your understanding. More or less, but with caveats are the caveats relevant. Yes, they are. Because you are they real quickly. Like, what are the basic the basic on that conflicts with what what I take to be your intelligent, not just from the last call. But before is that I mean, I don't care about the last call and before this is the thing. And let me if you get nothing else from today's show apart from the fact that there's an American atheist convention in eight Theus day, gyms awesome. And all this other stuff. Get this. Memory is faulty human beings, or faulty if you think you found an error in the show, you may in fact, be right. I've made tons of errors in the fourteen years that I've hosted the show, but if you want me to go back and actually correct in her then the best thing to do just like when you're having a debate is start by defining terms. And so if I give an explanation, and I say is that correct? And you're like more or less with caveats. And then we start to ask about the caveats, and you start talking about my understanding of your on tolliday from past calls. You are no longer relevant part of this conversation because you cannot stay on topic. There is a method by which we can go about to figure out whether or not mistakes been made and something that might correct somebody. And it doesn't mandour overall the landscape of all of your suspicions about what you thought about what I said in the past. It's let's start now to find this. And if we agree you can say, I think if you go back, and listen this up, so you'll find that you did not present this. In the same way. And it has problems, and I will say cool. I'll go back and look at that. Sued and figure out what the actual cases. But if you're just gonna keep going on with this trail of suspicions about based on your memory, and your understanding of me, you are fucking up big time. And I would be fucking doing the same thing. This is why I constantly remind people don't go out and claim that you can tell what somebody's motivations are unless you're really solid and can make case for it. Because what matters is not oh the religious, right? Just wanna punish women for having sex. Well, there may be people on the religious right that do wanna punish women for having sex. But that doesn't mean it's the motivation, and what you should say the religious, right? Just wanna make women slaves to their biology. Well, I can tell you that when I was part of the religious, right? That never entered my mind. I never said you know, what I wanna make women's lives to their biology. But if instead you said the religious right is wanting to enact legislation that has the effect of making women slaves to their biology now, you're talking about the facts you were talking about what they did. And what the? Consequences are and that's bad enough. And it's something that makes it impossible for the L. They can say well that wasn't my intention. Okay. Great. I'm glad you're not a shitty as you could have been. But you're still doing something that is potentially shitty. And here's this. That's how you get people to recognize. But as soon as you tell somebody what their motivations are if you're wrong you've screwed up. And they don't have to listen anything else. You say it's like when when somebody tells me, oh, you're not really eighth eest. You know, God exists. Well, I am aware that I in fact, do not know that God exists, which means now that person has zero credibility for anything that they're going to say related to this. Because I know it stems from the fruit of a poisonous tree. And when you call in to say, hey, I think he got something wrong. Cool. Let's discuss the subject figure out what we agree and don't agree on. And then if once we've done that I can go back, and look, but if you're claiming that hill, the he wasn't even claiming this is what you meant. He was claiming this is what? I think I understood that you meant based on my memory of this call and this other call I don't care I care about the facts, not your impression of an interpretation of a memory of what you heard, and it's a waste of time on the show for us to sit here and talk about a call from however long ago going around in circles about your interpretation of your memory of that call there's a good way to solve these things and there's a crappy way and we just wasted five minutes on a crappy way. On. I know we got two calls left. I'm gonna try to get to you got a preference. I. Bug in Texas. Thanks for waiting. You're on with Jim Hilton and mental Honey on occasion. Hey, nice to meet you kind of nervous system offer on the show. But I've been listening to him. Yeah. You're here. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. I've been listening to the show for a long time now twenty eight and I'm twenty eight now, but I've been having I've had out about religion in general since I was fifteen so let me speed up. Okay. So my dad wasn't Muslim my mom was a Christian. My dad was in prison for thirteen news. He was a Muslim before you got in freezing. Oh, you didn't just become a Muslim because of prison, and my mom is evangelist said there was a preacher. I play the drums church. I've I've done the whole like go to church like three or four times a week thing. All that. What I wanted to talk to you about in s u dealing religion enough. You got something you show every week and the people that call. And I see they're gonna argue. I see I see what makes this easy for you. Because all I see people arguing emotion and wanting there to be something magical there because if there's not this means that life sometimes and you have to figure out a way to make you feel like it's like it's like it's more convenient feeling that there is some kind of magical news or something more going on almost had a car it, and I didn't die in that car. So it's easy for me to make that a reason from the the to believe I suspect that you are correct. That this is quite often the case, but it's very difficult to prove. But yes, that's I would say that's fairly accurate assessment of some other know gyms on board with it. I'm say, let me get the moral points. I'm kinda rambling so. Okay. So so. The reason why I want to talk to you so bad because you speak really unbiased. And I feed it a lot of times you will find yourself to sending the Christians that and I lie, and that would actually got me way back when I was like eighteen I've been like watching this show with got me was when you arguing with them UB easily argument from motion and just wanting the counter what you're saying. It said listen to what you're saying. And you were actually helping them give a bit of argument than what they could have gave from the start. And when I saw that I'm saying he legitimately want to actual answer. He doesn't want something is a warm fuzzy, and and and in growing up in the south I'm from on my originally from Arkansas, but moved to Texas from Mississippi because I live MRIs appoint. We'll basically Mississippi. So I know what you need about the best church in the bubble building type of. And the problem, and I it's not like offensive study anything, but I'm if you haven't feed out, but like so black people gosh, I thought it disconnected, and I was like somebody's going to pull that Clinton. Dude says he's black and host hang up on. So I'm so glad I'm here. I'm trying to I'm trying to stay on the phone with quite good. Go ahead. When when people calling city show, and you're countering with them. It's easy because you legitimately want to really answer in those people aren't saying that they disagree with you. Because what you said doesn't make sense they disagree with it. Because if they gre- then they know that they don't make sense in their head then their incense. Yeah. It's like is it all just emotions in of being on era Guinness, Mark that we don't have fucking after we have to just make one in. God can just be posing anywhere is all it is. Go ahead. Jim. I don't I don't think that's all it is. I don't think there's any simple. Here's the one answer for why we have these ideas. I think it I think religions have built themselves up to offer comfort or the illusion of comfort to get rid of some of the things that were frayed of or eases fears while also instilling new fears and providing the one and always solution is it emotional. Yes. Is at personal. Yes. But I know plenty of incredibly intelligent theorists who think that they have rock solid science based arguments for God. When you out the problems with those they don't always retreat back to emotion or faith. Although some of them do some of them just have whatever intellectual roadblock that makes them say. No, no, no. This must be the more probable answer. Like the guy was excuse me. The guy was talking with last night and a podcast. Was arguing for the improbability of something. And I gave him an example that demonstrated that things weren't as improbable as he thought this, you know, coin flipping thing, which I know I talked about before the show I talked about. Okay. So the coin toss thing, and that was a good example of the kind of stalled that now, where's he going to go from there? Well, I don't know. And when we're talking about people making arguments from probability the question, I keep asking how did you determine how probable God is as an explanation. If my house is on fire, and we make a list of potential causes. You know, I left a gas can the garage in Texas don't do that. You know? I had some faulty wiring. Some somebody intentionally set it, you know, whatever you make a list of all these new calculate the probability, and how you know the probability is based on past experience. How many house of gunfire because of this and what signs? We look for for that. If it was wiring. How do we find the origin? But let's say we we have the best. That's the best fire investigator, and he comes into my house, and he goes, Yep. There's the point of origin right there. Here's all the science shows it, and it's this point of origin, and it's directly behind that outlet. So I'm going to conclude that the most reasonable explanation is that there was a wiring fault right there. And that started the fire somebody else could say, Nope. God started a fire directly behind that outlet. And I think that's more probable because I believe that God exists and God can do anything and electrical circuits can't do anything or can't do everything. And so that makes it a much more probable explanation, and if you use flawed reasoning like that somebody's going to go. Yeah. Yeah. Now, we don't tend to do that for fires because we have a better understanding for fires than we do for the diversity of life in the origin of the universe. And what happens after you die and so people stick God. Into those gaps in our knowledge, we have to be careful making the claim that all people think this of motion. Because we don't know what people think they come at this from very different perspective. Do a lot of people like you said come out this motion. Yes. A lot. Do do. They do they insert God. When when they don't know. Yes. A lot of people do those things, but like mass at a lot of people some people come at this intellectually, and and they truly believe or or think these things, but that doesn't make them debated Blake Blake gentle like five or six times, and we're friendly but over the house I like Blake. I don't think he's doing it primarily from emotion. I won't I won't say that emotion doesn't play part of it because I wouldn't say that emotion doesn't play part in my views. Of course, it does. We're emotional creatures. It's just when you you should strive to take the most unbiased approach you can. And in Blake's case, he's really fond of base there for analysis and another video I'm going to be doing in the near future. Why base? There doesn't have any application in the question of gods or supernatural or or single occurrence events. Okay. Well, real quick. Like, I just want up the reason, I guess I'm coming I based it off of my personal experience say motion because this from my fierce with live needs even questioned in the first place in in really, not fear. He'll feel your burning like affirmatively, whatever they're gonna do. If it does really killed me from being feared of didn't really not caring anymore because I love watching bombs, and my mom like she's Vangelis. And that's why username whatever is different. Namely, my mom had a hard life. And I've only been basically her most of the time because my that that was a preacher. He was shit anyway and real dead. We had a relationship over the phone and letters, but I never made my first time meeting him in real life with funeral. So I'm never. Ever mentioned made him realize what we got to actually may not. If if God or not is when you people thought about there being a plan, and they're being a reason for everything then sounds like the most laziest easiest bullshit, I've over her because if if if it's all part of a plan, and this is all some kind of like watcher something in motion that everything happens for reason, my mom vic- now, and I know things that she wishes always had I wanna give touring. I've I've known him out whole life and watch my whole life of frying stuff. And like, my mom way of cities. They now of the clock ADM in phrase every single morning, no matter eighties series with this. And she prays, and she ceasing as you crusts, and she she really believe heart, and that hurt me that kind of life off all have like because I'm fine. Now living in Texas. Now have pretty good job on not southern for Monday. Anything play a lot of every day. I have friends like life is fine. But. Yeah. Book you got. That's the thing. This whole notion of a plan is bizarre. Oh, my plan for your family is for you to have four miscarriages then then have a kid that survives only today at the age too. Because that will make you stronger, and I need more little, you know, toddlers up in heaven, my plan for us for you to be, you know. But then pays them, man. He's my my aunt had cancer right now. My sister just got diagnosed with cancer about three or four months ago, and it was face to and they found out about it in when she of no I'm lying stage one when they found out about it, and it it's in it's a little personal, but if Bristol spreads faster, and like the Bill so it went from his phase one phase three super fast, and she has to go through team to get the surgery because they can't put it out. So she's like all the hair now, but she's really depressed, and I'm just like what for funding plan like like. Oh, my and then I have my niece. I have my nephew Monday. If you stay with me now, he's my couch. Right now, a mom is that home, but she's gonna have to into moving here. We don't have anybody to watch any anyway, long story short people coming up to other people in saying that it's part of a plan since just basically saying, I don't we don't really. Have Amphion for. You know, you know, I'm sorry, you're hurting. And I don't know what to say. But let's see if I can put a positive spin on it. I say that if this was God's plan. God's kind of a fuck up. Yeah. Yeah. For people listening that are Christians. I was a long time being cursed. I was probably the most Concer Christian guy you ever met. I I was really the prince time because I really didn't. I wanted to. I wanted a reasoning for why things or being bad when I realize you have to make your life and make things better for you control that you control your work where you get up in the morning. I if you believing I'll tell you what don't put in job applications just pray about it. Don't put in any applications freight if somebody to give up because and then you get a job. It doesn't prove that God gutter for you. Right. Right. Oh, yeah. Let you go bug with one more call. I gotta try to to close up. But yeah, thank you last one. I'm looking forward to it's about kids. Yeah. That's that's why I wanna make sure we got to one thing about the this whole, you know, plan thing is that it's. I one time at an event somebody asked me, well, which which model the Christian model or the model is more appealing or more comforting. And I was like what doesn't matter because I care about which ones true, not which one's more peeling. But if you want to know the truth, I find this when far more peeling, and it's like, if you believe in karma, if you believe that God has a plan, then when bad things happen to you. It's because you deserved it or you needed it. And now in my life when bad things happen. It's because the universe doesn't give a shit about me. And it's up to me to make sure that I'm taking care of me. That was that was straightforward. We get is that each Aicha and Georgia. Each each you're on with Jim, and we're let Jim finish out the show with an answer to your question or issue. Thank you. Hi, jim. Hi, my I've been listening to the show things recently. I I wanna give you a little bit of background of my felt I'm from the Russ originally, and I moved to the city a year and a half ago. Well, welcome. Cluj? Glad you made a pass that wall. Yeah. We're in on in investor's visa. And I come from a very religious country and very religious society. But fortunately on like, many of the caller, I've heard my family was not religious. And I it was never an obligation in my family to be when they. So I've been ATS for. Since I can remember maybe since I was twelve or thirteen that. I I thought that things just didn't add up, and it wasn't logical and my mind functions and a logical way holding I they're eight and they're twins, and I moved to Georgia and. They are starting to ask about mass and church again. That's not math old too. Like year asking about math good for them mass. Maybe not so good. Yeah. Mass and what why other kids go to mass and why they don't and it's very hard for me to explain it to them because they're still in school, and they're eight there, and the the age that they start to tell people about what they know. And what they believe. And and the thing I'm most afraid of is that since I live in a community where people do go to church that they will be eliminated. We've seen a community is is a big deal. I'm I'm gonna Jim addresses. I think you should tell your kids the truth they can handle the truth. And and how you choose to go about that. And how your kids choose? And I would obviously say what they choose to do it should be their choice as long as you as apparent let them be aware of the consequences of their actions. I had this conversation with my son in grade school when he was in grade school, he wore a shirt to school that said we'll convert for evidence in grade school. We let him know the consequences of his actions that teachers could look at him different kids could do this. He was like I am not going to hide you know, he has he has handled. It very well. My my daughter at the time chose not to be up front not to talk, and it was her choice, and that's perfectly acceptable as well. Yes. And come full circle now that she's fourteen she's speaking all the country as an open atheist meeting. I try not to protect my kids. I let them know the consequences of their actions. You should tell them the truth. And let them know. Hey, if you talk about these things here could be the reaction there are some friends that you may not be allowed to play with and they did. But at the same time when we moved our subdivision, and they came out and said, I'm an atheist people like I'm so glad you're an atheist. We thought we were the only one and they were like there's five on the street you've been playing with each other for six years and no one knew because no one would say anything. Yeah. It's one of those things where I feel like I'm in the club. In some way, not with my family, but but with society, and there was a there was a slight assumption here that that your kids were nonbelievers as well. We didn't actually discuss the big thing is if if they're curious about why you don't go to church more Jim saying to you, you can be honest with your kids about what you believe. And you can just explain there are some people who believe these things, and they participate in these activities, and I don't share that belief. And that's why I don't you're going to have to you know, study this and make up your own mind at some point because I don't wanna do what other parents are doing which is saying because I'm Catholic my kids are Catholic or because I'm Jewish my kids Jewish because I'm a Hindu my kids are Hindu. Instead. I don't believe any of that. I would like for you to go out and explore. And if you find out that I'm wrong, and you have good reason for it come back and tell me if you wind up agreeing with me, that's great. But I love you. You're my kids and just be aware as Jim was pointing out that. Yeah. What you do and say about all this is going to have consequences. One of. Reasons why such a problem with the boy scouts is that not only do they end up benefiting from public funds, but they March into a school and the have access to these kids in hype it all up as if it's fun and some of these kids join and what if your best friend joins the cub scouts, and you can't because cub scouts won't allow atheist. Adjoin? They'll boy scouts will now allow girls because the girl scouts were awesome. And outshining the boy scouts at every turn. And hopefully, I'm I'm optimistic that again evasion. Kate eventually, the boy scouts will also allow atheists, and then we can have scouting without having to create scouting for all. And all these other secondary organizations. But yeah, my I don't have kids, but. Love your kids. Talk to your kids. Be honest with them be supportive of them realized that you know, you were imperfect and flawed, and so were they and you probably screwed them up because that's what every parent does a little bit. And you know, win win the bad things happen when they lose a friend because there's disagreement about religion talking to them about how to handle it, and whether or not that friendship is worth making an effort to salvage or whether it's just one of those things where some people aren't going to agree, and that's going to be sad. But wouldn't you rather be surrounded with and have friends who are going to accept you for who you are and not expect you to change to adopt their beliefs. Okay. Yeah. That sounds like something. That makes sense. It's something we should tell to adults to with regard to family, Jen people's as been saying for years that your your family if you act like family, and that the blood relationship has nothing to do with it. I have people who I'm not blood related to in any glow sense part from where all humans who are far more family to me than members of my immediate family are and I'm okay with that. Yes. It makes me sad. I've I've lost friends. I've lost family members and relationships that I won't reconnect with. But if if the loss was because they were expecting me to be what they wanted to be better off without him. But I think it's a bad message send your kids to be afraid of who you are. You know, let them know tell them the truth have these honest conversations, and again, let them know the consequences of their actions, and they will decide if it's appropriate. Do they want to tell people their eighth ius or do they want to tell people are not religious or do? They just wanna play and not even address it walk away. I'd rather not talk about it. Yeah. It's none of your business. It's between me and whatever God I do. Don't believe, but letting your kids make those decisions and having those conversations I have some of the best conversations with my kids as they were growing up talking about these things when they would come back to school and how they handled it and did it go. Well, and was that no big deal. Or was it a big deal? And what were they going to do about it? Like, it's it's a good don't be afraid of the conversation with your kids. It should be you should be excited to have these conversations also pointing out that if your kids are also nonbelievers that you can do that wrong that if you're if you're the eighth is marching into to school to tell all of your little friends how stupid they are for believing in, you know, very tales like God, you're probably making a big mistake on that note. I I gotta let you go because we're way over time. I wanna thank you for your call. Thank you. And thank you for taking our Thome. Absolutely. We're glad that touch on that subject. Well, thank you Jim for coming. I think all the people are down here to see the show you can stream into our itself by south west when weekend or week here in off. But most importantly for me, personally, the people in the other side of that wall who screened the calls make the show happen and do all this stuff. 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Atheist Experience 24.34 2020-08-23 with Matt Dillahunty & David McRaney

The Atheist Experience

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Atheist Experience 24.34 2020-08-23 with Matt Dillahunty & David McRaney

"Think that Sir. This is where the crowd would roar where we'd still in the building and fifty seven West gaining welcome everybody to the experience we are live. Today is Sunday August Twenty, third two thousand twenty. I'm your host Matt Dillon. He joined this week my friend David mcrainey who you may know from the you are not so smart podcast and you are not so smart dot com how you doing David I'm so good I'm not even GonNa do the whole plague thing I'm doing. Pretty well today let's just switch it just account for that greatest on a curve. I'm thrilled that you're here we talked about doing this ages ago, and of course you know we're we're now in a position where there's more remote guests will get to talking with David really quickly I want to go through these standard announcements by the way if you're watching us live and you're on youtube right now right above all the chat up there there's that donation link we're using that. Instead, of other options because one hundred percent of the money you guys donate today goes directly to the Atheist Community Austin tell us have guests like David on and to continue producing the content that we do on a weekly basis We're thrilled for all of our sports but donating directly there in Youtube is not the only way that you can participate and help out. There's also a merchandise link which put up on the screen for now at least eight and. Merch and you can have either a youtube membership or you can come be a supporter of patriotic or both you can do. You can support us anywhere and everywhere, and the reason to do it is not for me and unfortunately it's not for David because he's only going to be with infrequently there's this crew that does all this work behind the scenes here they're screening calls, they're monitoring video they're monitoring audio I don't know if that's a musical instrument or a Bong but. And Kitty, cat kitty cats in charge of everything and I also wanted to make note that Someone who's active in the community on Facebook as well? There are two new Atheist Experience Fan groups have philosophy, Van Group, anti a private group as well. The the images are up on the screen. Now for those, you can go and join find out what's up with that everything else I. How many how many years How long have we did? We meet because I met David because you did a podcast with my friend Brian Brushwood. And Brian was like Oh got to check out this podcast and I was like okay and then for from that point on because I don't really listen too much in the way of podcast and years one of the ones that I would ever listened to recommend and my my pitch for you every time somebody's like, oh. What's what's the deal with this David mccranie in you're not It's a great podcast I'm like everybody else. He actually goes out and does research like when he's talking about the dunning curb effect, he gets professor dining on to talk about it. How can you go wrong? How can you not be educated? How did you get started doing all this and and Hi Welcome Thank you so much and yeah we've known each other about three and a half four years because of all the just mentioned. Yeah. How did I get started? Doing this I was a started out as a journalist. I was a print journalist back when that was the thing that was a viable career and I was and I moved into television journalism and I became sort of a editor at the TV station was that and it was no longer getting to write very much and I had majored in school as in psychology and journalism, and I had was the kind of person. That would be owned like the road trip that would say you know actually that's something a little something called like dunning, Kruger or something, and I really wanted to write again and I did what anybody would do back in that time which has started a blog and the blog would be blog about biases and fallacies in the psychology of reasoning stuff like that those what I was always interested in and I I had seen a youtube video were Dan Brown did the person swap experiment Which is an experiment already knew about from from university, which was if you're not familiar with it for the audience, that's whenever in the real experiment somebody turns in a paper to their experiments. and. The turned the paper in Tunis to an assistant, the assistance actually a subject in the experiment they don't know it. They ducked down is if they've dropped the paper and then when the person who stands up as a different person and then they just ask people if they noticed anything and in the actual experiment, thirty to fifty percent of people did not notice that as a different person. Handed, headed back the paper in the Dan Brown version of it they he asks for directions and as he's getting the directions, people walk between him and the person he's talking to and they switch places and he can same thing happened. So I was just like this is so cool people see this and they should know the psychology behind it. Now started a blog with that and It wasn't too long after that. That it became popular enough that I got offered a book deal and then. It was too long after that that I wanted to promote my second book with the Podcast, and then I just happen to be in the right place at the right time with podcasting, and now the podcast is sort of the centerpiece of what I do well I. I was fortunate because after you know I, I'm just sitting there listening to podcast going Oh this is great and at some point. I would have to dig through. But at some point we got in touch and you were working on something specific and we came down and hung out at the House and. You said you were going to do an interview. It would take thirty minutes and I was like you've never spoken to me. There's no way. I remember I remember what happened was I had someone on the show talking about how you would you convince a super duper religious person to see things differently told them. There was no way and then you sent me an email the said that's not true at all. I've done that before and there's you should you should learn more about it. Just. Happened I was starting a book about persuasion and how people change their minds and how social change works and so I came and. We talked for like five hours straight it was. Maybe the longest conversation I've ever had in my life and I'm not sorry because we're still talking and it was nice. You came down to visit unit is the. All that stuff. But you're working on a lot of different project, two books done already. You're not so smart is base named directly at the PODCAST and the second one whose name your analyst. Dumb. You are now less time I always want to say you are no longer. You now less which just less dumbed. That was important part. Yeah. I I would say that less dumb is probably a good starting goal for almost everybody especially when I look around the world today and I see people who who seem frustrated and confused at the basics on occasion and it's it's I. Wonder what goes through their head But also every time I start to think about what because their head I have to pause and go hang on what's going through my head right now is there some is that I'm using to try to inject on top of that person and have them fit into some mold that I have. The. Big Part of the philosophy of what to do because like like our reason episodes on the podcasts have been about anti masters people who refused to master in the creative arts the most the next episode is going to be about. People who are may not want to get the vaccine and I often like to do shows that will not only explain what is the underlying psychology best. We understand it behind that kind of behavior but how is universal and it's something that you probably would do in a different context under different situation and that it's not you're not separate there's a real there's a real unity in the humility that I'll try to offer by saying this is the human condition. This is what we know about it so far as far as social sciences advanced as in this domain. Yeah it's. Very, different things that we talked about it really briefly before we even got started, obviously there's the difference between what is happening in someone's head that leads them to a particular conclusion or leads them to avoid a particular conclusion, and then there's the field of demolished, which is completely different and it's probably a source of monumental frustration for some people that I'm so heavily focused on the epistemology and less focus. On the psychology which one of the reasons why I'm really glad that not only are you here today but Shannon cues you know a regular Coz now as well. So the treatment with regard to the psychology in these discussions and when I say treatment I'm I'm not saying I'm I'm a psychologist people and saying, well, we did when we're having these discussions with because we're getting ready to start taking calls. I don't know where they're gonNa go, and in some cases, it's going to be hang on talking about epistemology and do you have good reasons for this and in other cases it's going to be I understand why you think the way you do or perhaps even if I don't understand why you think the way do maybe we can ask the questions to get you to kind of reflect on it and so you mentioned you know street epistemology beforehand. Jump in and take some calls. I'm absolutely ready should be super fun. And I love when you talk about reasons because we'll we'll get there because in psychology no, they say reasoning just means what happens when our brains has to come up with reasons for what feels believes which. So some of the terminology has little Ven Diagram which I think is really nice and it's always fun to spend time with you and see how things crossover each other. Well, let's hope that this doesn't this isn't a the the hour and a half that is the longest of your life. I don't mind that was a good our now. Now, this goes quick I want to get started We've got Jacob and Illinois, you're on with David amount how are you? Hi So I'm a big Fan of new met you. I've been super binging your video for like the past weeks because I realized the only reason that I was doing following their. Religion that I was falling was out of fear, and that's not really a healthy thing to believe in something for so but I haven't become fully. Because I think that I think that we that we kind of have a conscious like. Okay. So I think that the whole world is connected in some way like I've watched a few testimonies which I'm sure you probably want some before too and they have explained what had happened in their brain when they were in a coma and they said that they've had these experiences that happened to also be in the Bible saying but they didn't even read that part so like that could be possibly true. You know. Thank you give on trying to. Yeah I think we'd probably need something more specific, but we want to talk about it in general terms my question for anything that's like near death or coma or when you talk about a remembering things that are happening happening part of it is how much that's constructed after the fact by the brain like, Oh, I'm missing some time. I need to make sudden SORTA story up and how much of it is bits and pieces of what we just generally experienced because being unconscious is not the same as being dead well above. The testimony that I saw was that the man who went into a coma and in the experience he said that he saw these animals next to guys that had is all over them but he never read that in the Bible for them something that convinced me that it could be real If I can jump in. I mean you said that you feel like everything is connected where everything is connected. We're all made of atoms molecules. Bound by the forces of nature as we understand them. So I don't have a problem with that. Maybe you'd have to clarify that for years to see if you see it differently an idea and yeah brains that go into Komo's in the other is a lot of research into this to show our people have near death experiences. As you know if you WANNA call it that and has different term different terminology in the literature but the yeah people tend to have universal experiences because we all tend to have universal experiences when the brain is under the same influences, right? So you drink alcohol and you'll have the. Same experienced somebody has had eighteen fifty one and the same experience somebody will have in two, thousand, fifty one and the same experience people have all the world geographically 'cause brains are broadly very similar and I would imagine if people had experiences in ancient times in ancient texts, their experiences were also similar. So the question would be from the perspective of neuroscience and psychology what is driving that experience and just because people have similar subjective personal anecdotal accounts doesn't necessarily mean that we can make the great leap s to the explanation behind weather things are happening. So am I on the right track with you there. Thing the people who wrote the Bible. Had a similar experience but that doesn't make a real. Well, it's real in the sense that it happened. But what the way they're explaining it, they're like rationalization of the story they're creating from is going to be bound by what they understood in that time period and their own personal experience. So and also their own personal expertise on the matter who had. So it's it's it's not saying it didn't happen as saying it may not the leap this being made the narrative the is being constructed as could possibly. Something, we'd have to test, right okay. So there is another aspect of this too that that figure jumping with billing put my magician's hat back on you seem to be somewhat impressed with the that this guy describes something which your to your understanding is in the Bible and hadn't actually read that part of the Bible and I don't ever find things like that remotely impressive because people will describe their alien abduction stories and their description of aliens will be similar even if they haven't seen close encounters of the third time kind or even if you know. Are. Are. The world we live in these stories are shared and told the and it's entirely possible that somebody could have heard these sorts of stories or seen something without being aware of it without ever going near the Bible as a source that there's something in the back of their mind that's just been sitting there percolating and then when they have this sort of experience their brain. Fills in with whatever details it can muster from what it thinks. It's supposed to do now I'm not saying that's what happened. Just saying I don't know how we can rule that out and that's why I'm not impressed when somebody says, Oh, I had I saw this even though I've never read the Bible. Well first of all, why would you say I've never read the Bible I mean. Clearly you knew the person knew that this was something that was in the Bible there's no reason for them to deny it. So it's you know. Father was a preacher. So his father was a preacher doesn't that make it even less impressive that he? You know? Well, but he made it sound like he didn't know that part of the Bible which is why I was in. I genuinely don't believe him. I don't believe there's somebody who with a pastor as a father who hasn't bothered to read the Bible and yet has a vision that matches something in the Bible and then we're supposed to act surprised I. mean he grew up around this stuff how could you not be in a house where your father's practicing sermons and things? But I could give him the benefit. The doubt I mean you know the story of the serpent appears across all sorts of religious texts and that's because an reason to say that I mean Yeah. Ancient people had to worry about snakes and so it's going to pop up in your mythology. So either way it doesn't lend credit to it as what I would say. And even if we believed. That this person had this particular vision the question then still exist does that vision tell us anything at all about whether or not the religious iconography that is there is tied to something that's real and true outside of us. It's already tied to us. You know we are similar brains addressing similar problems and trying to come up with solutions and explanations. So yeah, I'm David in that it may not be surprising that somebody you know in. The first century had a similar vision or experiences somebody in the twenty first century. I'm also not surprised that you know a preacher's kid might have gleaned some bit of information but the end of the day, even if the story were straight up like someone who had never been around religion of any type had an experience that was consistent or vision that was consistent with some religion that still doesn't tell us whether or not religion true. Okay The next thing I gave you the next thing I wanted to get to was how conscious right? So I feel like conscious beyond our emotions and our physical state is not a real thing that makes them. So for your consciousness understand, is there a question? I think. So I think that we should believe in those things as things that are beyond. What by that they are in order. Things. our emotions at coming from someplace else then our brains. Okay. So you think that we should believe that our emotions come from something other than our brains, what are the potential candidate explanations and why would we not attributed to the brain because as far as? Far as I'm aware, all available evidence shows that my brain is a thing that produces my emotions and this is fungible and manipulate. You can manipulate this by electric probes in the brain to make you feel certain things. So what's your reason for thinking that we should just disregard that and believe that there is something beyond our brain because I feel like that's what has caused a lot of society to even make community and things like that in the past. So I think I believe in beliefs I guess is your are you making? I WanNa just clarify you for so that we don't get you wrong. Are you are you making the claim that emotions are generated outside of the brain and we experienced them from some source other than the you know neural networks inside of our brain and? Skull. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I'm saying that they could possibly come from someplace else and it's manifested and our brains but your reason your reason for saying that based on what you said a moment ago is that you you believe in the power of belief you believe that if people believe that their emotions comes from outside of them, that would be an inspiring things for people, right? it's not inspiring for me at all. I mean. It might inspire me to to try to find out whether not it's true but the. Question. Would be. What do you think that because I think that's you don't feel that way that it's inspiring because you know much about it but most people aren't interested in like studying alive. So. Dumping. Stores for the people a emotions could come from some from outside the brain. It's possible. But how would we determine that is what my question is like how would we how do we? How do we? How do we actually create a body of evidence to determine whether or not? That was true I don't think we can I just think that it's beneficial for us to believe that it is something that. So. Would you be okay. Then with encouraging beliefs that you knew weren't true just because you felt they were beneficial that people. And in Seattle but can you give an example that be problematic? I can't give an example where it wouldn't be problematic because whatever the truth is what whatever it is that people. So you're you're you're basically saying that you're willing to believe something irrespective of the evidence for it and instead basing your belief based on the utility of the outcome that you see. But the thing is if you inspire people with a lie you why couldn't you inspire them with the truth but because let's say I've just. Before that prayer works because if you're in a cave in and your oxygen is limited, if you pray and believe in prayer that will calm you down, you'll use less oxygen you'll increase the amount of time that you have to be rescued. So therefore, the act of praying indirectly leads to an increase in the likelihood that you're going to be rescued. Now, if you understand that's the case then you don't need the prayer part you can just. US less option. Maybe the humans are fundamentally incapable of doing that there may be a scenario where where they need the comforting and compelling lie where they need the parents sitting there saying go for it. You can do whatever you want, which is ally that parents tell their kid all you can grow up to the anything you want. No, you can't. It's just not realistic. What they're saying is we don't know what you're GONNA grow up to be and. We're going to encourage you to keep trying everything. You can't see can find what works best for you. That is not ally the this t to say that we should encourage people to think that emotions come from outside their brain when all the evidence is to the contrary and your reason is because people don't know enough about science. Why isn't the solution teach them more about science because I don't think enough people trust science as as dumping. Liable for in life for every generation of humid like I. Don't think I don't think that everyone is GonNa buy buy it just because people don't like believing in things that are factual. We'll take the word science out of the and just replace it with truth right or accuracy I'm interested in what is your opinion when it comes to how much of our day to day understanding of ourselves and the reality and the context which we which we move in should be as close to the factual truth as it can be. Are you are you making a case that It's better to live in a world of myth mythology regardless of the underlying like fundamental. Objective truth underneath it I'm just trying to get a russell of like if we can take science out of the picture and just say we're talking about what is not true you know does the Sun Go. To sleep at night. That kind of thing how much how much about the world in which we operate you are? Is it important for you to feel is our understanding of it is as close to the objective truth as possible I feel like in the most basic form trying to say that yet the University of move all that we can observe that the universe just moved, but it's It makes you want to live. We'll make most people want to live knowing that there's a reason like there's something that the universe is trying to get to like a goal you know but. There's no evidence that the universe has a goal, and if you believe that that's the case and you're wrong haven't you wasted all that time and effort believing something that's not true. and. I mean. We also WanNa know the very you just made was true or false. Everything you've said and and trying to pay close attention you keep saying I feel like I feel like I feel like you're basically using what limited data you might have. If you've done any research in this area to how people are aren't keen with science, I think generally people are fine with science until the findings of science conflict with something that they really really like and then their brain. Gets. In this really confused state and they're going to have to deal with it. But if you are just saying, Hey, this is i. feel like I feel like I. Feel like I wanNA know I don't know I'm not trying to be a dick but I don't care what you feel like I don't care what your suspicions are about this when a care about what the data show and. You know if it were the case that an actually I'd have to say this real carefully if it were the case that the only way to convince people to. Enjoy a decent productive life was to give them some fundamental lie I'm still not sure that I could support giving them the fundamental why? Why is that? Because I value the truth? Because nobody's been able to demonstrate to me that there is something wrong with the truth like if I'm planning out how I'm GonNa live my next year and I'm convinced that God has a plan for me and I'm going to be coming into a lot of money. Is that a wise thing? Is that a wise way for me to plan my year I don't think so. I do know some people who do in it turns out right but I guess it's not the most widely some people it may turn out right? Some people it's not so. And, there's also a middle level. This I mean I can't help it do that maybe like a waste of time to say it. But the you know you're making a claim that it I mean, you may not be making this claim but we're sort of we're sort of had just having a little chitchat about it, which is that there may be cases in which it's. More beneficial. Whatever that means to believe in ally than it is to believe in the truth but that claim itself is something that would need to be tested by like we if we to find out whether or not that claim itself is true would have to be. We'd have to test it using some sort of epistemological framework, and so what is the best framework to us to? Test that and I would assume you know scientific method is one that's pretty good There are others, but like at some point turtles all the way down. So we have to like like dig our heels in and say, how do we decide? How do we figure out? Even this very climate itself that maybe lies are good. Sometimes, how do we determine that the only way? I know that would really reliably give you evidence would be to toss it into the institution of Science and see what turns out limit. Let me ask. Let me ask this Jacob. If a can cause this might cleared up if you had someone who you loved, who was convinced that they had a lucky rabbit's foot that would always protect them. Are you okay with them believing that? Sam and are you still okay with him believing that even if they're con-. If then being convinced that they had a lucky rabbit's foot that would protect them leads to them closing their eyes clutching the rabbit's foot and walking across a busy highway. Are you still okay with them believing that? No Okay Yeah. and. And while you know it's fine for people to believe all kinds of untrue in Bachelorette things when they're never going to be put to the test but all of a sudden when the rubber meets the road or when you're trying to cross a busy street now people do care about science and people care about science quite often when they are faced with health decisions. When they are faced with any sort of. Will trust the data when our life's on the line right. But I don't I don't think there's anything wrong with believing in a higher power though I think that the problem is that it's that most religions believe in an unchanging higher power like that's why I'm Pantheon because the. Universe is always moving and I feel like we should all have some type of respects or like some type of belief that the Internet aspiring to something I hear you. But if you're a panatheist and the universe isn't actually directing like there's no consciousness to the universe, it's directing thing. What does your Pam theistic view of God do for your life or anybody's life if you just believe the universe is God well, it makes me respect everything around. Why the fact that the universe God doesn't mean that anything is deserving of respect doesn't mean that you should behave in a particular way doesn't mean you should make. You know I could say right now I'm absolutely convinced that the universe is a conscious agent and it tells you nothing at all about what that thinks about how I should live my life. Okay that's true. So if it now does your view a Pantheon tell you anything about how how you should live your life. Not really but there. What good is it? I pick my view based on what other happiest debut and religion have like how how people think that there. are of people think that they're experiencing side of. The Sun or inside trees and things like that they they. Will care both things like we'll care those trees because they have that belief and I think like with the absence of science is everyone believes that then if the world would still be intact, do you think that if people who don't believe in Pantheon wouldn't take care of trees I. I don't think that they would. No I don't think that they would have of a reason to. You. Don't think that understanding how nature works and how trees are essential to keeping US alive. You don't think that that's sufficient reason. Well, yeah that is. A out outside of that people who are interested in that I think they should all be Pantheon for the reason. I'm saying let me. Well I couldn't possibly be a pantheon. You were actually able to convince me that Pantheon was true because I don't believe things just because they might be useful. I will only believe things when I'm convinced that they're likely to be true. Always like that. Correct. I used to believe things for really bad reasons and now I prefer to have good reasons and so I'm saying if Pantheon. Is something that you're going to advocate for. You'd need to have a really good reason for Pantheon them and just saying, oh I, I suspect that Pantheon and people are going to be nicer to the planet really isn't GonNa. Cut It. Okay. Well, I'll. Tell you on that. I guess. All right but thank you. Thank you. And you take and do please take care of trees. That's really cool. I'm a fan of taking care of trees but also woodworker that puts me in a really unusual position. Yeah. I have friends who work for the four she department here in my state and they love trees. All, right we've got Arthur somewhere in Europe you're you're on with David Matt how're you? Oh Hello I'm glad to be on your show. Hello. So I want to somehow introduce a clinical rotation if that's not a big deal, a general conversation actually if you don't mind. My old it's actually a question about assumptions Do you think it's it's wrong if if someone would believe in something with Calvin. Zero evidence for. You think that that's a problem with the generally yes but it would depend on what it is because there are certain things that we. Can't necessarily have evidence for, but we have pragmatic reasons why we need to accept them the present. And and I don't I'm not entirely sure you can believe anything zero evidence there has to be some. Material basis inside of the brain to reach an assumption of any kind. It's just bad evidence in some cases like you know you can say, Hey, I, believe my mom loves me and the only. You know I don't have any evidence of this. Really you don't have any evidence that Oh. Okay. Well, let me change it from my mom to something else and go down what David's essentially talking about is that in my view and he can correct me if I get this wrong every belief that you hold every. Every time you are convinced that X is likely true. You have become convinced for some reason and it could be good reasons. It could be batteries and it's just like you could consider that evidence and what's happening is your standards of evidence are so low that you're being convinced by bad evidence or by incomplete evidence but I don't know that I'm not sure you could believe something in the absence of any evidence. There's there's good research this and I'll I'll let the caller speak I. Just want to add this the. One of the fundamental studies in neuroscience was Dumbo. Blakemore and Cooper in the nineteen seventies and I know this is going to be icky and creepy but the nineteen seventy science was creepy. So just give him a pass on this they raised the group cats in an environment had no horizontal lines just like the they it was really meticulously put together they were raised in this cylinder and they had. A cone on their head and they spent the first basically month and a half of their lives in an environment with no horizontal lines and they introduced them into an environment that they would play with them with a stick. When it was vertical, they would follow it when they turned it horizontal disappeared to completely evaporated for reality altogether they also would take a wall that was covered in vertical lines. And push toward them and they would like to back away from it. But if it had horizontal lines on it, they would just go go and go and then eventually smashed in the face. But for their first like experiences with things that were horizontal, they did not see it at all. It did not exist in there at all in reality because their brain had not been exposed horizontal things and had not wired. Up appropriately to be able to predict it and also put it in context now, it didn't take very long for those cats to start to be able to make sense of the world with horizontal included but it's an example of they had zero evidence, the horizontal existed, and so therefore, it did not appear to them until did so I would I don't think it's actually possible for a a nervous system to. Make an assumption about anything with zero evidence. It's always gonNA come from some sort of prior some sort of prior experience that they've had with that thing or some prior probability that's been built up over time by experience and and one one quick example is somebody tells me their name is Pete I have no evidence of this. But what the evidence that I'm going to use is that I've met lots of people and people generally tend to tell me the name that they prefer to be referred to as and so I have evidence from the surrounding world that we just kind of ignore I'm actually doing a video about this week but go ahead those really goodness. that. Is that is a philosophical like conundrum that this. So. So would you say that generally as a human species is good for humanity to? To to assume things or he's already thrown. What do you think because I because I? Think it's generally unwise for us to Soom assume any more than is necessary to assume for the things that we can't anything that we can't demonstrate. There may be presuppositions like identity non-contradiction excluded middle we can't prove logic without using logic. We can't disprove logic without using logic and so those become presuppositions. But when you're talking about facts of reality that can be tested that can have evidence for them. That don't require precision. Then I would say generally speaking it's a mistake to accept those things without sufficient evidence and you know. As long as you make your us, I talked to sign all the time and we always will have like a like a safe word. Almost we say right now we're going to start speculating, which means you know we're GonNa make some assumptions of what we know and we're GONNA make special we're gonNA speculate on things we don't know. So as long as you're labeling what you're doing as I am currently in an assumption of frame I'm currently speculating that that's that science itself science has do that and when you use the word but I am interested you say the word wrong like what do you mean by wrong? For instance say belief in a goat. Is that BRONC. What do you mean by wrong? Well. Go doesn't exist that would be the wrong owned understand looming. Do you mean? When you say wrong, this is important. Do you mean factually incorrect or or morally incorrect? been. Not Morally see doesn't mean factually incorrect. Okay. That's the thing though is that if the God proposition is unfalsifiable, then you can't use your definition of wrong because somebody believes in God and the God is unfalsifiable. There's no way to show that God doesn't exist. Then they're not wrong because I in your sense of they are now in contradiction with the fact that the actual state of affairs and if that's the case and it's unfalsifiable, I would say that I would be I. would prefer using a different word, which is is your belief warranted? Is it justified by evidence and argument sort of thing and if it's not then the the word I prefer is is irrational Whatever not wrong because wrong if you're going to find wrong as they believe something that is not true. Then you it for everything that you can't prove. Isn't true. You have to just kind of let them keep on going and say they're on good ground. Yeah. Really charged word because like if we were to like move it to the discussion of, is there intelligent life other than human beings planet right? You know? We can we have a framework for like trying to make to speculate about that and so wrong is such a gigantic black and white zero or one hundred kind of term. I. Agree with math that we we it's better to use a different terminology or at least like really clarify what we mean is still is it more? About how much confidence you have in that claim you know and and. I don't really like the idea of blanket Lee saying something is right or wrong. That's tough to even get general but continue Arthur I'm sorry. No, that's that's all that's all I want to ask actually. Okay well, I, appreciate it. Hopefully, it was helpful or at least sparked something interesting to. because. Light to. ooh This ties into this. We've got to CY in California you're on David Matt. How are you? Doing Great Fire Team. So I think I think unless you've changed questions, your question kind of ties into what we were talking about. So please go ahead and tells what you're thinking. Yeah. I just noticed that Might, get Kinda beat I mean. So I was classically listening to what you guys were talking about. The beginning but actually reading some scripture while I was waiting. So I. Kind of though into limited here of parts of what everyone was saying So do me a favor Joseph I? The scripture Dow I I'm just having fun with you and. Everything. I said that. So I was planning on getting a by point like everyone else. But I decided that's not what I'm GonNa do so because I think it's kind of unfair because you guys aren't coming at people with your points they're coming at you with the point that they've already prepared answers to I. Think it'd be better to just go back and forth with our own an instinctive. You know I tell you what instead of just giving us a preamble description of what's going to happen. Let's just do it. So whatever it is, you're thinking and we'll dig in jump in ask a question make a statement. Okay. So I noticed that. When I look at. The evidence given core anything like evidence given for alien or paranormal or evolution or the Big Bang I noticed there's always evidence obviously or else people believe. The only thing that I have curiosity about is, how do we know we're interpreting the evidence in the best way and? Everyone thinks. Everyone thinks they're interpreting the evidence in the best way they can but. It reminds me one of my favorite questions, which is, what's it feel like to be wrong? It feels exactly like being right if you haven't discovered that you're wrong for serve. I don't mean a rollover what you're saying please do. I will allow you to continue but I that's a great question I mean that is the question added like that's how we that's why we are like having this conversation like because everybody's been people keep asking that question and trying to solve like it's reason the philosophers have developed thoughts on epistemology and it's the reason that sites doing what they're doing the way they don't it, and honestly you know we maybe there's a better way than science we don't know yet. We, it's the best way we've done so far in this you know it it seems to be working pretty well, got us to the moon if you believe that, but it does definitely got us to have this conversation which was evolved a lot of technological innovations that required us to ask that question over and over again. So there are all sorts of ways to try to derive still trying to figure out if the evidence before is is evidence for Xyz. I think that's a fantastic question to ask I don't think you're off base you have more to add well, just before that I also don't think that it's nearly as difficult as some people would like to think it is because. What where we tend to ask the SORTA question is in things that with regard to things that aren't particularly well understood like or or that affect US personally. So how many of us have spent any time thinking about whether or not the evidence for our current understanding of electricity accurate. As we're sitting here with lights surrounding me cameras pointed at me broadcasting over the Internet that people cellular devices, etc. All of this ties into our understanding of electricity everything right down to the to the integrated circuits in your devices and. Yet we don't sit around going hey I wonder if if we're really right to believe this evidence and that's because the the results of it are so overwhelming you're just I mean to to go back to commercials from when I was a kid you're soaking in it. You are soaking in science all the time and you just don't notice it until it comes up with something that is in conflict with a belief you have or that seems to be out of shape with reality as you understand it and we have to do. Is Go and look and see if our previous understanding is more in line with the facts and the data and the methods then our new potential understand. It's like all the it's it's important to use language like this I. Think. Not just in science but in just like this kind of conversation as you know, the evidence collected so far suggests this conclusion is more likely than the alternatives and that's really how it works and you're always open to getting more evidence than reaching different conclusions. As long as you keep playing that game by the rules that we've established and You Know There are the paradigm shifts that have taken place in every scientific discipline have usually taken place from a model was built up over time based off. The evidence and the conclusions that seem to you can draw from it, and then when new tools were made available or new evidence was collected. If it seemed like is starting to become anomalous with the model we had put forth. We changed the model and you're getting to live in a time period. We've done that a whole lot. So we've started to really coalesce around some ideas that seem to be pretty good, but we're always open to change him I'm wondering just I if there's a particular thing that. Like an example where you think, oh, here's a piece of evidence and it can be so widely. So. The interpretations of the evidence can be so wildly different that is a problem. IF I had to think of one but I that I think that you might be willing to consider it would be Like evolution I think a lot of the Times there. There's evidence presented on both sides of of the scientists. And oftentimes Kate. I, there is no scientific debate on evolution. Is fact and observed fact. And the theory of evolution by means of natural selection is the model that Darwin proposed to best explain that fact, and we have continued to improve on it but there's not scientific debate about whether or not evolution happened or. I know evolution happens to a degree battle devolution that is observable. We definitions like you know adaptations and stuff like that and. Great, this agreement is over adaptations lead to such huge overtime. So I guess like, for example. The, there isn't disagreement in the scientific community. There's a disagreement between certain proponents of religious models that aren't scientific and science because science doesn't say, Hey, we have cracked and understood everything everything that leads to Diverse species and we've explained it all. That's not what's happening and what you're. You're kind of advocating for is in the gaps in our knowledge, religionists try to stick their God in there like we know evolution happens but maybe it's maybe just maybe it's not enough to lead to humans, and therefore now we need to God for this except that none of that has been demonstrated scientifically, it is antithetical to the understanding of evolution and and what's happening here is somebody saying you. Don't know everything but I've got a friend who does and my friend is Jesus or God or Allah or whatever. That's not the way science works. So just the fact that there are people who don't accept that Signs is incomplete intentive doesn't mean the there are alternative explanations for the gaps in our knowledge rise to the level of science they don't they don't rise to the level of toilet paper in my view, but that's kind of like a personal take on on my part. I really like I would really like to present is an example of what I'm talking about. Okay, do. So. I think in every branch of science, there's there's a way that the Bible answers it to a degree just like. When I'm just GONNA break it down to the simplest. Are you going to give us an example about evolutionary? You're going to do a sermon about the Bible. This is about what I noticed between both paradigm. So I noticed everyone interprets science based on their paradigm. Most people at least scientists will say, well, we already know that the geologic column represents. Billions of years. So whenever they present whenever they're presented with bikes, radiometric dating or carbon dating the, there's so many example when the dating methods will contradict the paradigm but they toss it out and they're even evolution scientists that acknowledged that they say if it's if it goes against what we believe, we just pop it out and we know don't know that's not what happens. That's what you've been told happens by creationist not actually what happens. And the you know the the scientific course is I, mean scientists are never stop arguing with each other every paper that comes out the there's there's a period of time where he gets torn to shreds by everybody's peers and it's it takes sometimes can take five years for just a two or three page paper like make it through that process and there are people who you know In their silent field if something comes along as incredibly anomalous to something that seems to be established over decades of research, there will be an immediate pushback to say, okay well, you need to really make a case for this and but there's never a case like it can get. It can get stuck in that pipeline for a while, but it always makes it to the end of that pipeline so far. But even when we find anomalies, it's not just like oh that doesn't fit. So we're going to throw it out Willy Nilly never a recognition of the statistical likelihood of things that are anomalous and what's what's incredibly frustrating for me is that you as a you know I don't know you just I. Seem, like an ice person who's genuinely interested in finding out what the truth is you've been sold a bill of goods about how science works and that's not how science works. Meanwhile, the people who are selling you this bill good. The creationist have done zero science to demonstrate evidence towards their their proposed solution. So all you can do not mean you, I mean all the the craziness can do and you by proxy once you do this is sit here and go God but. Here's a problem in science. Yeah. But here's the problem in science. Yeah. But here's a province congratulations. None of us said science was perfect science doesn't make proclamations about truth science doesn't say this is true. Science always presents tentative conclusions and models that are the best explanation of the available facts and the entire history of the world. The number of times that science has been proven wrong has always been tied to science proving science wrong at no point in history has any religion proved. Wrong at no point in history has any religion presented scientifically valid evidence of their supernatural claims. Okay. you said that there's when when the Scientists provide proof creationist. Don't do anything to counter that or they don't do anything that's sufficient enough. No, that's that's not what I said here I don't know if you're busy reading a sermon in the middle of this or not, but I didn't talk about evolution scientists I talk about science and scientists, and what I said was that the the the scientists are actually doing science and the creationist are not. It's not like they've presented scientific findings that shows there is a greater or a supernatural well I. Think if you if you end integrity to an event that happened to me I, I could I could do my best but I'm Okay okay. Let's. Let's do this because there's a bunch of other callers waiting. Tell us the event that happened to you that you think somehow demonstrates creationism. Creationism oh. Okay. What are we talking about then? You your statement was the Bible and religion is Never A. Evidence to prove. In, the spear supernatural, that's that. There is no there is not sufficient evidence to warrant the believer acceptance of. Natural proposition is my is my position. Okay. like I said I haven't experienced that I can get into you. Just tell me the experience and but here's the thing it's going to be a waste of time because the dirty little secret and I hate you know I'm Gonna I will let you tell your story but the dirty little secret is that it is not currently possible to demonstrate that the supernatural exist that the supernatural interact with reality and if it had happened, it's not going to happen from anecdote on a call an atheist show it's going to be a nobel. fucking. Prize is what it's going to be but tells your story okay. Can I say two things or please do just that statement go for it My point is I. Know You're more interested in the science of it. So before I get to my experience, there's this guy I can't find his name. He's a scientist stations though his name, the first name is Kevin and he he also paleontologist and. He I, think it was in Montana the uncovered with a couple of others, teammates, uncovering triceratops that was just a less of a couple of feet under the ground and the climate in that area is fluctuating all the time. So hot cold, hot cold, and his his I guess his rebuttal to millions of years and dinosaur tissue survivor promoted. The is he found triceratops top issue and there's a video of the soft tissue being used and stuff like that. So there was a woman named Mary Schweitzer but discovered, are we getting into your story or are you just going to give me more clergy to Google? Well? No. I want to look up and. If you don't think we've so have you ever gone to talk origins dot Org maybe looked at the index to creches claims where they actually address pretty much every one of these that comes up all the time. I don't need you telling me other people's stories. You had a story of what happened to you. That was going to prove the supernatural that's what I care about. Okay. Okay. So we'RE NOT GONNA. Okay. What good does it do for you to come in and and talk about something that you don't understand and don't know about can't even remember the person's name and I don't understand it don't know about and nobody in the scientific community seems to think that finding one anomaly or even if it were an anomaly undermines mountains of evidence for evolution it's like, can you just tell us whatever story it is that you think confirms the supernatural because that's why I let you stay. So let's do it. Okay well. There's experience it's I hate to drag this on. I can't tell you the experience because you're you could stop with a fucking preamble and just get to the point. Okay. Thanks. Okay I had a dream that. Started Here on the Earth now dreams are not evidence to most people especially is but just wait till I. Give you the explanation the. Spoil it I. Saw something in my dream that I knew nothing about I saw a man in my dream and I actually saw him in real life. And every detail of the dream had to do with this man. And I think you. That's just gonNA. Let me jump to make. Shorter. You had a dream and the details of the dream. Some details, the dream seemed to be to match up details of reality outside of the dream afterward is that what you're saying? Have you ever had a dream where that didn't happen. Okay and the details of the dream that took place outside of the dream or those sorts of details that are common to reality in general like you know you didn't see a cracking or the sun exploded you saw. A person with the general features of person. I see this person face but I saw. I do not know the person from anyone on your. Anger too. I've had dreams like that I've had dreams were people in my dreams resemble people in the real world at I'm trying to figure out what making feels like you're making the leap that you may have foreseen that person somehow are there were so many more things to the dream and that's the part that was very compelling to me. I like to hear even. If you don't accept that I. Just think it's fourteen. So one of the things that we've seen or that is strongly evidenced is I can have a dream about somebody and then when I meet somebody later I can say that's the person that I dreamt about even if it wasn't even if they don't necessarily like and my brain will mold the to fit together. How did you? How. Did you eliminate that possible explanation that your brain was merely stitching together a connection that isn't even necessarily there. How did you rule that out? Just to clarify. We don't have. You don't have the dream to compare it to like photographs but side by side and their. Their psychological studies where we have had that where people have been shown a photograph of someone then shown a photograph, the Folk Heff is actually they actually had. Photograph and say. Which one of these to pick these people you find more attractive and then they say, well, here is it's a not be and then they say, okay and they hand him that the photograph and say tell me why but the photograph the hand has actually of the person they did not choose spin blown up with a larger and people will dutifully describe every detail that they said that they had originally had described the they'll describe the details of the person that they originally found more attractive to the other. So without the the side by side comparison, we do have the tendency to do just described. The other issue with this is first of all, you said, you know dreams aren't evidence especially to atheists I don't know what the especially to atheist means because I know some atheists who just love themselves from dreams and love themselves some Wu and super. So it's not just atheist but not only could you have a dream and then afterwards, your brain can massage details to meet. To make the. Connection but let's let's give you completely the benefit of the doubt. Just let's say that I am now convinced that you had a dream about a person and the details about that dream or so vivid, and so accurate that the instant you met that person it was clear to you. This is exactly the person you've dreamed about even though you've never met them in real life, how can that be used as evidence for supernatural God because the fact that you experienced something is independent from how're y you experienced it and so y how could you possibly reach the conclusion that the best explanation is that there's some sort of supernatural invi intervention here that gave you a premonition in a dream. I would love I would love to explain everything. If for nothing else just for guys to sit on this and think about it later if it ended up being interesting to you. I I asked the question. Oh. Sorry. How how is that I? I'm sorry I didn't. Even. If grant everything you say you had a dream about a person and then you met this person afterwards and you never met him before and even if I accepted that all, that is true. How is that evidence that the best explanation is some sort of supernatural intervention to give you a premonition in a dream That Reason it would be the best the reason that would be evident. I guess it'd because. if you're the dream, you wouldn't know that it's not even possible for this to occur outside of no sir no, Sir No, sir. No Sir you don't get to say there couldn't be any other explanation that's a fallacy. You don't get to assert what is or isn't possible because you haven't demonstrated it I appreciate the fact that you had an experience that you found personally compelling because you can't think of any other explanation, but that doesn't mean that your warranted are. Justified and leaping to the conclusion that there must be some sort of supernatural intervention. That's just not the way reasoning works. If you care about whether or not your beliefs are true if you don't care about whether or not you're you're true then yeah. Just go with whatever you suspect is the truth but that's not fly. I like to give my best answer for the question I love it. I I've asked several times a question hang got an answer. So what's the answer? So the evidence. We look at evidence as scientific evidence that we can observe demonstrate record everything like that. But I'm saying, is it possible that if this is true which we can't crew with the scientific method would that make it possible for another bid to exist that we don't know about and I know that the leap I know that? You've gone from, you are convinced of X., and then when we point out the various problems with it, now what you're saying is Is it possible that there's some other way of knowing. Well, when you find another way of knowing and demonstrate its reliability and show that its reliability is not only superior to these scientific methods in the critical thinking in examination process that we currently have now. But that it also in addition to being superior provides evidence that the supernatural that's the point at which your conclusion is warranted and tell then you had a dream, you had an experience and you're just going, hey, is it possible that there's something here? Well, I don't know that's your job to demonstrate that it's possible. I you know it's okay to say is it possible? Well, maybe yeah, it could be we'd but we need a method by which to determine that is what were you know there has to be some way that we have to get to that answer and we have to use some sort of Bethany to come to the conclusion What's what's worse in some cases? Sorry. Sorry David. My head that people use this to believe in a God and it's what it is. Is a slippery slope. Here's something I can't explain. It could be explained if there was a god who has given me a dream therefore, I'm going to go and believe there is a God that gave me the dream because that actually is a sufficient explanation, but it's not necessarily the necessary and sufficient explanation I mean danger in accepting that you've experienced something supernatural. Opens the floodgates to you not being able to determine whether or not anything you experience supernatural maybe is it possible that there's a million supernatural beings? And one of them's just messing with you and one gives you dreams. And one of them still socks out of the dryer. Yeah. There are thousands of possible explanations maybe millions maybe an infinite number so we have to. Gather evidence, and then see which of those possibilities has the most supporting evidence, and then we can start trying to draw conclusions from it and so until you can create a framework for doing that, we're just kind of you know no farting around with it is what we're all. GonNa give you the last word here in just a second. But when what it says right here in your initial comment is when it comes to evidence different people interpreted differently who is right and what you're doing is not so much a who is right but you're doing this can't be proven wrong. So I'm okay and I'm comfortable going with until such time as it goes wrong. But if your position is unfalsifiable a, it's not scientific and be you should not believe it. Okay. Now, while I do appreciate you'll be saying let's Let's give you the benefit of the. We will acknowledge that the dream happened whatever and everything you said came true and realize the thing is until you hear the dream I, think it's it's not fair to say, how do we know this? That doesn't require a superior method Why can't the method be not superior but equivalent have a method Joseph. You don't have a method. You have the the hope that there's possibly a method when you have a method, call me back. When. If you let's say you were to hear a dream I'm not gonNA. Tell you the actually wants to hear it I asked you to tell me the dream twenty minutes ago but. I gotTA move on to other callers soon. So go ahead and get your last thoughts in. Other. Because I that's what I WANNA do some awhile. Dream started off. I appeared on this earth like the Bible says is perishable and you don't want me to preach but I'm giving context to my dream just stick to the dream. Tell me the fucking dream. I on this earth the the I made it through I started turning to my side and I mean at least sixty times when I made my way back to where I started I appeared in a very beautiful place. There were a bunch of giant trees. Now, this is just a dream I. Don't think I don't think about my dreams as being something greater than just a dream but Iran. To this new place Iran directly in a straight line and. There was a trench and across I try it was blurry. I could not see what was there. So I was in a straight line parallel with this trench, very deep trench. And when I turned back around to where I started. I saw a man. who had a a man dressed in a black suit and he had very specific. I was like focused in on his face for a brief few seconds. Then there was a black horse in front of him now, this man And will colors they had black colors. Now, he were the where the trees, the trees, Cherry trees because I've heard this song big black courses Cherry tree. Where they were just really big tree that extended billy's really far. Now. This is very interesting if you hear the whole thing because I, I find it compelling whether you're gonNA easiest or not So did you find it compelling whether you're an atheist or not? If you're not an atheist just tell me the story. I okay. Duck down, and he pointed his finger up in the air and started spinning his hand in a circle. I spun his hand in a circle a horse began to follow the movements of his hand and obeys every little tricks that he would do. Then when the man stood up, the Horse stood up and kept spinning as the man kept signaling and when the man does back down, the Horse kept spinning well being ducked down close to the ground and when the man stuck his palm out. So horse stop now. Needs to be heard party in detail in order for you to understand why I find a on. I mean. When I when I saw what I was looking at something caught my eye deep in the forest of these trees. There was a white horse running in the distance from the left of the white only got. A. And I was like, where's this horse going? What is Horse Doing Keith stopped the horse. Ranch to my right and stop exactly where I appeared in that place. Then you ran directly reports me and I stuck my hand out and he stopped how long is this dream I? I it's probably long, but it's worth airing. We're moving on learn how to tell a story. Call me back when you get some kind of sound test this because so far you've told me that you appeared on our turned sideways and after three hundred, sixty degree turn you appeared in a beautiful place with trees ran in a straight line with the trench on your left turn back around there was a man on your left. There's a black WHO's wearing a black suit with a very specific vase and the black horse and duck down and pointed out span circle. None of that is relevant to anything it is but you. Know. When you met this man? was there a horse anywhere near you know? Yeah by. The genie's speech. Yeah. No, it doesn't drink and fucking call me that that is I'm not wasting every viewers time on a meandering wondering dream story. The can't possibly demonstrate the theory thing that you're trying to demonstrate. It was it was it was a beautiful dream though. But I would. I honestly didn't want to know where he was going with it but I don't know if we have the time to get there. Yeah. I got I got twenty minutes left show or there's a half a dozen callers waiting and I don't want to be rude to all of them just. So this guy because I've had people do this before. Building up to joke okay and yeah. So one of the things is that people like, Oh, you didn't let them finish Oh my gosh somebody please put a time on that call to see how many times we ask for this and everything else. The deal here is that this is a live call in show. It's not like a debate. You Watch me in a debate got one debate opponent that I'm GonNa be engaging with in front of an audience. Here we have people on hold. Please try to remember that if I'm ready to move on, it's because there's people been on hold for an hour and some change who might have something that's more productive. and. That Person Josefa can maybe jot down the the salient details of that dream and come up with a method to show why this dream and what happened after, which evidently didn't involve a Horse One relevance there is but the the day let's imagine that he had this wonderful prophetic dream that told him the to to meet this person and that person said, hey the Earth GonNa shut down because of covid. And heard this back in October of last year. That's all really interesting and I have no idea what a potential explanation for it would be I have no idea what a potential explanation for it would be and neither does. Joe Cya. Instead, fails to recognize that he doesn't have an explanation and instead is convinced that he does that the best explanation for this is oh. This was a message that was given to me. And I can't I can't get there but. We got Dan in Romania. You're on with Matin David Romania David. Met I just want to begin by saying, Hi and hope you and your loved ones are thing finding. Thank you very much. Okay. For you. Think I'll try to be brief in that sense. My question is regarding Saint Paul or Paul of Tarsus, Paul? The Apostle. and it's pro simply, why wouldn't we take for granted or believed the the Christian narrative? Especially, the one of Paul who most historians and scholars Scholars. Agreed at Well, he wrote the. Earliest letters and manuscripts that are including the Bible and Sean. Why would we basically believe that all the apostles are know are either lying or somehow mass hallucinating or or so on? Why wouldn't we simply take them for granted and you know take That they told so first of all. You don't have to be thinking that Paul was lying. Okay he got a great. But you don't just when somebody tells you that they've had an experience on a Damascus road with the risen savior of the world. You don't just take them at their word because if you do that, you're GonNa have to do that for anybody else who makes that claim otherwise you're going to be on shaky footing so While Paul has potentially interesting story. There's no evidence for that beyond his saying that it happened it is inconsistent with. The way we understand the world to work, and therefore it needs more evidence than merely someone say. So now not only add like just take any of those claims and and assume that someone today made those claims like they started up a blog or they got on youtube and they made the claims and just how would you respond to that? Yeah. I would be very skeptical of that but I, guess the reason I do agree with you we would be a position where we would have to take everyone for granted but you know maybe. going to a more personal an goes so to say. I don't quite see. I mean both Paul and the apostles were Very let's say low people in the sense that they weren't someone in society. What I'm trying to say is I don't I know this mice gullible but I don't quite see a reason like why would they either make it up or either somehow they've masked hallucinated or? Was David Koresh a significant person in the world before he started his cult I don't know who okay I guess his occultist. David Koresh led to the Waco tragedy, but just picking anyway, pick every other person that's ever been a founder or contributor to any other religion because if you're going to accept the Christianity based on this thing, then how do you rule out other versions of this when you when you ask what reason would they have? I'm fine with the notion that some of these people first of all, we don't know who wrote the Gospels. We don't know where they're none of them are witnesses We don't know any, we don't have. Any way to verify to investigate I'm fine with the notion that they were honestly telling us what they thought was an accurate description of what happened but that doesn't mean it was in fact actually accurate and what's troubling for me is if it were accurate then that means that there is a god who could instantly clear all this up and has failed to do so for thousands of years. Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess that's some home moving to the discussion to like why doesn't God just appear in front of us are song. Paul I think you're making you're asking fair question don't get US wrong like like like how why would they make it up and Why should we take it for granted? Like I mean, these are good questions. I mean I don't see the problem in asking that question but the as as pointed out like they are the end, they are just claims and we they have to be tested in some way if we're going to believe him and. At least at least, that's the way I think about it and I try to always assume a claim from history. If he was made today how respond to it and I would respond to say where I'M GONNA respond to this one. I, got I got to move on Dan but I appreciate the call and it is good question. The only answer that we can come up with is the one that that I've already given, which is I'm not saying these people are lying and I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm saying that their claims merely the c