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OchoLive: Should the Cowboys be interested in Matt Bryant?

Blogging the Boys

14:16 min | 2 years ago

OchoLive: Should the Cowboys be interested in Matt Bryant?

"Nona. What up world? Welcome to another episode of Joe Locke is an Indian partnership is always espionage in blonde in the boys dot com. My name Arjo Choi me, of course, in BTV. And from right here is your Melissa on July. Watch live every day at about three o'clock central time on my Twitter. Periscope. That's at our Joa. You can also watch on live on the blog on the boys. Facebook live feed listened to the podcast version of the show at your own convenience. Subscribe on all apple and Android devices. Simply subscribe to the blog on the voice podcast feed. If a brand new episode of the 750 up and available for you with two time Super Bowl champion. Tony Casillas, Tony, and I talked about the Super Bowl have a couch compared to the patriots Kellen Moore and a whole lot more, no pun intended. It is Wednesday February six two thousand nineteen it is hump day. So happy hump day to you. And we did not have a chance to July on Tuesday my apologies. If you can't tell I'm a little sick a tiny little cold that I'm nursing. And in Tuesday was the worst of it. But it seems to be over thank God. And so here we sit on Wednesday. And it is officially the season that did not change in a matter of forty eight hours, and we have a little bit of news from an NFL wide perspective today on Wednesday. It was announced by by himself. Really that the Atlanta Falcons would not be bringing back veteran kicker Matt Bryant in two thousand nineteen the falcons later confirmed this, and it's been kind of the biggest storyline in the NFL of the day that kind of speaks to the world of the NFL in early February that a kicker not being brought back is is a big storyline. This is big because as Cowboys fans, we haven't had to worry about these types of problems in a long time. It's just kind of been a foregone conclusion that Dan Bailey is going to be the guy. He's going to be the kicker. There's not going to really be any competition of any sorts. But that all changed when the Cowboys finalize their fifty three man roster last season. And Dan Bailey was released in favor of. Brett maher. Now, there are definitely a lot of Brett Maher feigns around Cowboys nation. I think we all know that. But the reality is Brent Maher certainly has his own flaws Maher's field goal percentage in two thousand eighteen his rookie season twenty eight year old plane on a rookie deal are on his rookie season. Excuse me. He was any point six percent successful eighty point six eight zero point six percent successful. Brent Maher was in his first season in the NFL. It's worth noting that in the last three seasons that Matt Bryant has not been below eighty seven point two percent when it comes to his field goal. Accuracy. That's quite a difference meant Brian only missed one field goal last year. They're definitely going to be a lot of teams who are going to be interested in Brian's services. I think you look at the Chicago Bears, obviously would have with Cody park. You could be very interested. Maybe in the Minnesota Vikings who signed in Bailey after the Cowboys cut him, but more than anything. I think. What should be mentioned because Brett Maher does have a bit of a deep leg. I think we all saw that at different times. And Brent Maher suddenly came in clutch for the Cowboys. He had the big game winner against the Detroit Lions, and coincidentally because we're talking about that Bryant had the game winner in Atlanta against the falcons, although he obviously did hit one off the upright in crunch time against the Washington Redskins after that snap and fraction. But looking where were mar struggles. Specifically, it's between attempts of forty and forty nine yards. Brent Mars attempting the field between forty and forty nine yards as a little rough for Brett Maher. He went seven of eleven their last season's four misses between forty and forty nine yards for whatever reason Brett is just a little bit more accurate from beyond the arc so to speak now in that range from forty to forty nine yards. Matt Brian has actually been pretty solid in the last three seasons. He is twenty-five of twenty six between forty and forty nine yards. So Matt Bryant kind. Has the range that Brett Maher struggled with down to a pretty accurate level? And again, this is new territory for the Cowboys because they have not had to consider different picking options, and they kind of lucked themselves into Brent Maher last season. So the question is if it were up to you, would you rather have Brett Maher or Matt Bryant kicking for the Dallas Cowboys in two thousand and nineteen. It goes without saying that Matt Brian will beating more expensive option again because he likely is going to have suitors but the question from Aaron by the way on periscope. Why do they cut him? It's just a matter of impracticality for the Atlanta Falcons to Matt Ryan they have Giorgio Vecchio on the roster who who played well in Brian's absence this past season. You might remember Giorgio from his days with the open raiders as well. But we put up a poll about this on blocking the boys dot com. If you wanna go vote you can and so far fifty nine percent of the votes prefer Matt Bryant can. Kenneth on periscope wants to know how old is met Brian's Brian's been around a while he is been kicking in the NFL since two thousand and two with the Atlanta Falcons since two thousand and nine so he certainly has quite a plethora of experience when it comes to putting ball through the uprights and the NFL. But again, you know, it's it's hard because the Cowboys don't have a stable option like they have had in so many seasons before Christopher summers on the buses Facebook live. I'd rather have Bryant, and that kind of seems where people seem to prefer Ostra people seem to prefer excuse me. Because Brett Maher has people not feeling great. Brett Maher kinda Dan Bailey in two thousand seventeen struggled a bid down the stretch for the Cowboys. And he feels a little hard to trust. And that's not the worst thing in the world. Honestly, I mean, you know, you're going to miss kicks, and you're gonna miss extra point. So the NFL works these days, you're never gonna have somebody or it's really unlikely. The you're going to have somebody that Dan Bailey was for so long rarely going to kinda run into that guy. It's just money after money after money Justin tuck in Baltimore's kind of the best example of that. And certainly a rare bird, no pun intended there. Gary to Facebook live feed says I'd rather keep bread mater, and that's another option if you'd rather save two million dollars allocate that towards an extra defensive tackle towards an extra linebacker towards an extra safety. Whoever you want to put that money that is certainly one line of thought. However, and we talked about this with Dan Bailey release and all that that went on over, you know, six months ago now kickers matter and people roll their eyes to say, I don't care doesn't matter kickers, etc. Blah, blah, kickers matter as evidenced again, by the fact, I think about that the games of the Cowboys played in two thousand eighteen they should have been able to kicked a game winning earliest game or have you wanna look at that feelable in Houston against the Texans. Obviously, they punted how that game went down. They did. Have to kick a game winning field. The Detroit Lions they did have to kick a game winning field while against the Atlanta Falcons their game against the Washington. Redskins came down to a field goal kick. The Cowboys played so many one possession games that kicks and field goals and extra points are super valuable. You cannot just have any all generic kicker. I think right now Ben Maher is in the you know, maybe the bottom of the second third of NFL kickers right now. I don't think he's a top third congressional. He's even in the top half. And so you really have to consider what you wanna do there. Because that position is extremely important any position that can influence the number of points or team scores is so valuable and it's so critical. And that's why this question this subject is so interesting because it's not every day that kicker Brian becomes available. Although to be fair it was just last season. The Dan Bailey became available. Although that was in the finalisation of rosters not way early on in February. When teams could really take a cold hard. Look at it. There's already reports the Matt Brian is expected to be somebody that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers interested in obviously the bucks have had their own trials and tribulations with kickers certainly the Roberto Aguire days, Matt Brian actually started off his career starting up ahead an early part of his early career with made buck nears. And so I think this is certainly worth considering if the Cowboys because again this position matter so much aired on periscope says I like bread, but he's not trustworthy. Robert on periscope says you only fifty three spots can't waste on the kicker. I think Roberts addressing somebody had floated the idea of having both on the roster. It's been a long time since the guy was too kickers on their Oster. I'm not a proponent of that Gary on a log on the Facebook live feed says Maher will mature and settle in. There is a live and thought to that maybe Brent Maher had some rookie struggles. And maybe he'll be back are maybe he'll get to a proper form. We did see stretch time when he was super consistent super reliable before he got. A little bit rattling beings kind of change to a degree. But you have to consider it you have to consider. You don't have this money option that you've had in seasons. Pasaden- Bailey, Stephen Watkins, combating that point on on Facebook live says he'll mature he's twenty nine years old again, it's not like Brett Maher is this twenty two year old, you know, young player that has a lot of time to develop a great point by Stephen that he is a little bit of an older player. And so you can't necessarily trust that he's on the same career aren't that? A lot of other guys are there's a lot of proponents for finding a player fresh college, maybe drafting somebody and other undrafted free agent. Dan Bailey was but you have to look at this. You have to look at this long and hard because this is going to be such a pivotal season for the commerce as we've discussed Jason Garrett and during a contract year first year off of quote, entering kellyn more. There's a lot to look at this. And you're a team if you're the Cowboys you don't have a first round draft pick. I wrote about this today of blog on the boys dot com. The last time that the Cowboys did not have a first round draft. Pick was not a lot of fun. You'll remember that in two thousand and nine thanks to the trade for ROY Williams and other receiver the Cowboys did not have a first round draft pick. And in fact, they traded away their second round draft pick on the draft. Again. The Cowboys did not have a first or second round draft pick ten years ago, and they put together a draft it consisted of twelve picks in two thousand nine that was quite gross. If you have been watching the Cowboys for the better part of a decade at the very least you'll remember that the two thousand nine draft class for the team is one of the worst in franchise history twelve picks and not one to really be proud of. And that kind of goes with today's theme considering drafted David dealer to be sort of secondary kick kick off specialist and deep ball kickers specialist. And what have you times really changed over the last ten years in the NFL and the Cowboys, and I think we'd trust. Now more that we did then the Cavs can do damage what their late around picks McClay is really been great architecture. Finding contributors for the Cowboys in the later rounds and the. I that has been the second round draft pick for the Cowboys in recent years as really started kind of you know, calm down a bit. You look at their second draft picks, and who they become two thousand fourteen DeMarcus Lawrence two thousand fifteen obviously Randy Gregory has really rebounded two thousand sixteen. Jalen Smith two thousand seventeen today in two thousand eighteen Connor Williams who seems to have a bright future along the interior of the Dallas Cowboys offense of lying. So there's a lot to look there's a lot to be, you know, calmness. In of for the couches. They build their roster, including all the way down to who your kickers going to be whether it's going to be Brett Mahar, whether it's going to be Matt Bryant a lot of decisions have to be made. That about does today. February sixth was the Brian day here on July, and we'll be back tomorrow on February seven to keep digging into the Cowboys roster keep digging into potential free agents draft picks and potentials. It's it's a fun time of year. It's a different time of year. But it's it's one that we have a lot of fun with nonetheless. 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Ep 60: It's time to pay Grady Jarrett and Julio Jones

The Falcoholic

59:29 min | 2 years ago

Ep 60: It's time to pay Grady Jarrett and Julio Jones

"Back up the Brinks truck to his house. Just dump it all off. I don't care what they have to do. Holyoke? Jones amazing. I want him on my team forever. Welcome to another episode of the falcons podcast the official podcasts at the falcons on the SP nation podcast network. I am DWI. This. Always I am joined by my co host. Here we go the gym dogs for spur name. The tar Gary NFL consider the quake drama girl Facebook messenger. The trash talker supreme the one and only touchdown balls. She who not be bossed, Gina, Madeleine, Thomas Gina. It's been a longtime. How're you doing? I'm doing great. I'm happy to be back on the Mike talking about the falcons, we've got a lot of stuff to talk about which is a nice change of pace here on the off season. It is it is we we've sort of defaulted to the crossfire podcast for the while which has been a lot of fun, and we have defaulted to it because they have a lot of fun. But we do have a lot to talk about in on that note. Joining us today is one of our writers from the falcons dot com. He's one of my favorites. When a personal favorites, you know him for his in-depth analysis pieces and his his gift Jif gifts. Jeff, whichever his gift reviews on Twitter. Just probably started other Twitter fight over how the pronounce that is Bill while, but we're glad to have Alan Cirque back on the official podcasts. Alan how you doing man. It's to us nineteen is still the law said, so. Gene is gift or Jif? Well, the crater says that it's a hard G, and I would tend to default to the person who holds the electoral property. I think that if he thinks it's a hard g it's a gif. I'm not gonna get into fights about this like hotdogs and says I'm just going to say, it's my preference to say gif, if you say Jif, I'm not going to crack you I think to each his own. Let's just all live and let live. Absolutely. We're gonna leave that there. Because that is that is the fight that I just don't have the energy for. But we have got a hot to talk about because in the off season. The falcons have made some moves. They've some were expected some are unexpected we are basically at the time of this recording. We are less than two days away from the start of the official two thousand nineteen NFL season. Which also means the start of free agency official free agency not the tampering period. Like we're in right now. So I wanted to start first guys with the cuts. We we have not had a chance to talk about this on the podcasts. And some of these are pretty significant, and I wanna start at the very top with the name that I think many fans were caught off guard by many fans are still upset by if you sort of scan it, but in a funny way, many fans sort of understood this move by the falcons, and that was the team cutting longtime fantastic kicker Matt Bryant. Actually, they didn't cut him. I think we should clarify that for those who are wondering they just did not pick up his option for the two thousand eighteen season which technically makes him a free agent. They just they let him go ahead of time that they were locking to pick up that option Sajid, I'm going to start with you first on, you know, your thoughts about Brian whether or not you saw this coming what you think about this move since Bryant's going to be forty four. This may obviously it's an old age for football. You and I both know it's an old age. And okay. Quite there but met Bryant is not a young, man. So your thoughts on a mat Brian this. Well, I mean, obviously, I was very sad to see Matt Bryant go. I mean, he's been such an integral part of so much the team success since he came here. I love him as a person I love him as a player, but when you look at his cap it when you look at the performance of tobacco when he had to fill in for Brian's, and he was spectacular. And so I think when you look at the fact that the falcons could save money by doing that. And that Bryant's career has a finite amount of time left in it. I think that it does make sense to go to somebody younger save a little bit of money, especially considering the cap situation. So I don't like it. But yeah, I get it. Alan your thoughts Jeanne abrupt Vecchio, do you think he was a major factor in the team deciding to move on from the the longtime kicker. Remember the Monday night game has to giants. He made like fifty three archaic that made it to possession game. Oh, is it was reliable based on the few games? They played it in. I know things didn't go quite right in Oakland. But he showed some promise there. I think the one big concern about the movie just met Brian is probably one the eight reliable kickers football. As no kickers guests bear fans. Guess like fans that good hall you for many years ago. Buffs fans as well. Hopefully, don't spend a second pick one. But it's on a stable move. It's under still it does not allow liability at the kicker position Bryant breeze. It's you even though he is spoilt four. But look at the colts have Terry. I know he's alleged. But he's somebody that still kick out also results seal pans out at if velcro is reliable as is or at least the organization Bolivia's, the people get over the loss pretty quickly and tobacco by comparison. Believe is twenty nine maybe thirty years old. So he still has a lot of years ahead of him again, assuming that he? He continues to play. Well, like he did last year. And I I do think personally he was a big factor in this. I think the writing was on the wall when they signed him to a two year contract. I think a lot of fans thought okay, they're going to bring both guys in the camp and let them compete. But at some point, you know, the fifteen year difference between them I think that it was just too much to ignore. And the fact that Bryant did get injured, you know, I think it made the team look at his health and take that into strong consideration. Because I'll tell you guys when you get up to your your mid forties. The healing does not happen. Nearly as fast as it does. When you're in your twenties thirties, it takes much longer to heal from the the Nag's in Bunsen bruises that you you suffer. So. Danny how we're gonna move on the Matt Brian. I think is is similar fans. If you guys have any additional thoughts you want a reminisce about some of the stuff that he's done for falcons Goto, alcohol dot com. Do believe we've got some articles dropping in the very near future talking about Matt Bryant and commiserate with your fellow fans. The next on the list in element go that you first on this one. Because honestly, he is he is a player that are fans have absolutely hated or have eight and and he he arguably had one of his worst seasons in two thousand eighteen I don't think anyone's going to argue with that. But that is Robert Alford. He is obviously already been picked up a by the Zona cardinals. Again, a rough two thousand eighteen but I feel like and you and I've had this conversation before I think we're sort of on the same page with where Alfred concern I feel like they hated him more than he deserved. So what are your thoughts on Alford what he meant to the team and sort of that long going perception about him being a bad player heavily penalize you're gonna get their reputation. They offered especially coming into league Beckett's thirteen or fourteen at first us over all tr- aggressive. But then you'd also by the lose, but then calmed up with sixteen started year ten pounds. He's the first big games are pal. Andrew Hirsch posted. Crazy step than the last eight games in the Super Bowl run helium three penalty. So heavily penalised said burn every hour. The distance highlight this moments where you're on the receiving end the pilots people. It's always miss together your mind, but I thought offered best seasons actually tell seventy really. Up his game on their forget that book Rams where he was blocking up semi Watkins where he was covering the I always thought he got criticized for too often just because of his style because he is aggressive any pillow, grabbing, but you know, it having that number two corner that somebody's gonna make plays as when that's gonna be overall reliable. You'll see a lot of those offer was rightfully re-signed twenty sixteen in give he was definitely liability in. It's justifiable move to cut because at this plant trying to get young position that we know the over wasn't always Quinn's guy. They drafted John constitutes fifteen. Osceola. Alber now choice. Great way to summit up Allen. Print off for though, he persevered because I think that kinda wanted to eventually fade away from but he held his own. Go which best Arizona if you saw that contract. They still believe in abso- how. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Big numbers, gene. Any additional thoughts on offered in his departure. I mean, I liked rob LA. And I think that he. I think that over his time here. Yeah. He'd commit a lot of penalties. But he also made a lot of big plays. Like, he was a fun player watch. He's very athletic as extremely fast and one thing that I do want to encourage everybody to do edited this today, and it's going up tomorrow by our own odman. I catch he wrote just kind of a retrospective about alford's creer, and it's really interesting to look back because his good years were really good. And he really was a difference maker. And the thing that I'm going to remember robber Alford by as definitely that pick six in the Super Bowl. I really think I mean, I remember sitting in our DC offices next. A Harry Lyles, and Harry, and I were like we were talking about how we are going to get that photo of Tom Brady on the ground and Alfred running it back into the end zone. We were gonna get it like fringed on canvas. And we were going to hang it in our houses as arch, and I'm telling you, I was de serious. And that thing would be hanging my house until I die if we won that game. So that is my fondest memory of Alford, and that is the one that I'm always going to think of him. Next on the list. Gina will start with you on this one. And he. Interesting signing. I think when when he first came in I feel like he's he was reliable. He was never a big contributor. But when he played he played decently. And that was Brooks read, I think many people saw this move coming his cap hit this year was going to be a bit more than what you would wanna pay for someone who is just a rotational piece. I don't think anyone is crying river over him. But whether your thoughts on read and his short stint in Atlanta. Well, you know, I think that read would have been more of an impact player and Atlanta and over the course of career if he hadn't struggled injury the way that he had he had a lot of injury issues while he was here. And I really think you know, the the team signed him first potential. I think ceiling was always very high. But that's really what held him back. I just want to take a very quick moment to just give some respect to Brooks reads hair, which. Tackler just really lovely. Those owning gold locks. I just I have so much respect for this man's hair. And must also take a quick moment. Suppor- one out for the accident on the name that I gave Brooks freed during training camp when I was typing on my phone, and I forgot my sunglasses. It was so right outside, and I was very sledding hydrated and Brooks teed people have never let it out. So I think migrating crate us wish for free this that he's able to keep that hair. And also that people will now forget that I called him Brooks teed cow. The falcons community is not good about things. Oh. They're not. Hearing about this one for years. So yes, but anyway breakfast, very nice. And I wish him all the best, but the cut makes sense because of the cap situation, and because of the fact that injuries have just really hindered. His ability to be a consistent player for them. Ellen four words for you. Brooks read spin move the glorious move on. Twenty six twenty seven the things people forget about books that he was at work course, what he was healthy like they had a reliable because Claiborne wet down during the Super Bowl run and free me of only place must snaps givens age they books, really. Snaps in. He give up see was limited. But you could ever question motoring. I thought twenty sixteen twice puts a good years together. But this year kind of decline a little based in c make that statement. Peggy was a great pass rusher. But equally make for please. But a ethical hurl. I know the signing was heavily criticised back in twenty fifteen. But I think we'll roll he'd panel four seasons in was injured pro the we look back at that Super Bowl kinda like all he was big time contributor. Yeah. I feel again like he's not a player people were passionate about I've never felt like he was a bad signing as depth guy. So. It's the hair the hair was fantastic really was twenty fifteen twenty to fifteen that season. I was the first sees on quitted signings. Like just Duran litter anchor Sohn, the kind of flop the other thing clayborn read those the only success stories, but cripple in tribute lot. Yeah. And I think there's something to be re remembered about the with those free agent signings is that. They're often hit and miss even with the big guys with the big number. So keep that in mind falcons fans as we go into free agency, which we'll talk about a little bit. Last name bring up, you know, we'll just touch on this quickly as you know, a player who came in on drafted. He had some history with Quinn out of the university of Florida, and he showed a lot of promise. But it seemed like the past couple of years that he hit his ceiling in Atlanta. And that was Brian Poole. He was you know, for several years are nickel corner. He was never what I would consider to be a fantastic corner. But he seemed to be well rounded could sometimes slider to safety. You know seem to have Cam Newton is number for. Picking him off in coverage. Again, he wasn't cut the the falcons just decided not to use a restricted free agency doesn't nation on him. They have said that they they would like to bring him back. But I think he is a victim of Demonte Casey's success so Allie request your thoughts on pool, and what also led to the team sort of potentially moving on us a little surprised by because pools such a fiscal player. I think he's one of those. It's kinda tone set are the quit definitely freesheet that. But I think it's limitations. He's not the fist is scoring. Does get grabby quite a bit in. You're playing the slot. That's probably like you saw penalties really picked up this year in his tackling. Definitely full obey missed allot tag, especially early in the season. But. One of the study players would fit while better defense plan covered through most of the time. But I I thought he could was maybe be more loads of things one of those guys. But sometimes it's just money does up in the AB going to do ratio. But I think pulls in our player that deserves curve for being when the state contributors for several seasons, but kinda like most defenceless year self cliff. Gina your thoughts on on pool in this move moving away from him. I mean, if you look at the amount that they would have had to pay to place a second round tag on him. It doesn't make any sense if you consider the cap situation, objectively, and so I understand why they wouldn't deal with ARA face stuff. Pull one thing that the coaching staff has universal Lee liked about him is that he is just so intense when he plays like he'd try to hit people like he tries to us SAS Nate them. And so I know that Quin likes that. But he's not really a prototypical Quinn a bag. And I think that there's just gonna be a little bit of change in the secondary this off season. It all makes sense. It'll be interesting if they're able to bring him back, but if they do Casey has earned his spot on the fee. Field. So pull might land somewhere else. I do really like Brian pole. And I enjoyed watching them play the whole time that he was here. But this makes sense to me. I think it comes down to Casey just having an explosive breakout season. And you know, we know that kion there's gonna be out there. When know the Ricardo Alice could be out there. The team is gonna roll with true font and Oliver's starting corners Casey is absolutely earned the right to be the nickel. At least you know, if the beginning season. I don't know how you justify keeping him off the field after the season that he had last year. Absolutely. And with that it, you know, if Brian pool slides down to your fourth corner, your time corner three million for that second round tenders. That's a lot of money. So I think it's it's it the cap is. What is that's a separate conversation for another podcast, but we will leave the cuts there that is the the four main names that the falcons boot on from didn't want touch on those and just get some thoughts. Out there, though fans probably still reeling from the Matt Bryant cut more than anything totally get it. But now on the talk about some of the players that the falcons are looking to keep or give extensions to and the first name on the list, which I think caught a lot of fans off guard was quarterback. Matt shaab? He's he is back. Again. The guy has got another two year contract. I will say it is very team friendly contract for a quarterback that even Matt Ryan has said is a very important piece to their offense. He he helps him a lot in the quarterback room. You know, heat. The the team basically has a two year deal with twenty twenty being an option year. So it's really a one year deal. Maybe two. So Jean I'll start with you. First your thoughts on the team keeping Matt Shaab yet again when everyone kind of thought he was going to disappear into the either. Has been a balcony tradition. The make really weird decisions backup quarterback. MS surprised? No. This is exactly what I thought was going to happen. Do I think that it makes the most sense? No, I'm the same person who has been saying draft amid around quarterback and let him learn develop behind Matt Ryan. And then sif he's good. And if he is if met still good than you trade them like Jimmy Garoppolo. Okay. I mean, maybe not that good. But you know, what I mean? And if he if he is if he is good than that. Sure. You know, Matt Ryan air parents. I mean, they've gotta start thinking about life after Matt Ryan, and I can tell you one thing with great certainty life after Matt Ryan eight Matt shop. On that play. He came in for Vic in the first game that I ever went to two thousand five against the Minnesota Vikings. I watch Mashhad play. I was so much younger than and so was Matt Shaab, and he actually not very good. Then this. Any sense? I would rather just roll with Kurt banker and see if he can develop and not spend this money on shop. This is probably the signing. The I am most up in arms about I didn't even realize I was fired up about until I started talking about. All right. That's my time. Alan any passionate thoughts about the backup quarterback for the kids. Could of crazy things. Matt Ryan if he plays sixteen games this year, it'll be ten years since he last the game because we're a ninety suffered miss do games and miss. And a half. Yeah. He didn't start two games and missed another. Maybe it was like three quarters. He's been durable. It's believable by still basically look concert because just like helmets. How much longer could keep their street live. But nothing is this match thirty eight this year any hasn't star born to game since two thousand thirteen and that was the raiders, which as knows the dumpster fire. So at the. So I I don't get the resigned though. Look if you'll have somebody that's if Lynch law crew so bed vice guidance but wanted so that some play baking billion anxious. I think mesh off at a coven for snap your resists. These are less. It was against the eagles. Because I remember I was there. I think it was actually opening night. Maybe because Matt Ryan Denise hurt. Like is the brace initial? NS? Yes, Sean came any Bosch the handoff. Like, you couldn't even hand. Sony. That's able to move in be sort of threats downfield. I'll. He just won the guys that, but you would hope at some point. Yeah. I think he's a player that. People. Call him a coach in in on the field. But he's really just a two million dollar voice. Here. Here's here's a suggestion because they could actually cut him hire him as an assistant coach same amount of money that doesn't count against the cap and he can stand on the sidelines and hold the goddamn ward. And they can get an actual backup quarterback. Who's not under navy years old like I'm not a GM or anything. But it's just an idea. Major coach belly's is still play. That's what they were talking about New York. So he's a that's that's if you want someone that's like, pork. Coach port somebody that's capable planes before games. I think we all agree. Shaab is. I'm not gonna get to up in arms. But it is such a weird. It is a very falcons move. So there's a very Felker's move. Yeah. To the Chris Redman nears. Chris Redman stick around until he was like seven. Felt like he was Wren's court or backup forever. Yeah. He social security by the time he left so. Yes. I'm pretty sure that he was. So I like I like that shop don't get me wrong. But I just don't think that this makes any sense like, you know, get with the times, he it doesn't make any sense. So the next name on this list before we get to the big one that I know all fans wondering about the next time on this list is the one that some fans or little bit and the by because he's tentacle still under contract in that is star receiver Julio Jones who the team last year they did a little bit for him as a part of his like half today. Hold out. And they said that they would address his contract this offseason. So we know that they want to work something out. We know that there are big wide receiver deals happening over and over every single year Julio is bar. None. The one of the best receivers in the in the in the league, and as of this recording, by the way, guys we know that where do they Tony overland has he Oakland so antennae Brown? You know, his team couldn't stand him so bad. They took a massive cap. Hit to let him go clan. And Odell Beckham has just been traded to the Browns. So at minimum falcons fans can say we have the best wide receiver in a league whose team actually wants to freaking keep them on the roster. So Alan I'm gonna go do on this one. You know, obviously the team doesn't have to rush to make deal happen here. But what kind of money? Do you think we're looking at for Julio? How long do we think he can play? I think he's what he's thirty turns thirty this year. You know, what are your thoughts on one extension say Hello for another four five years? As of course, he stays healthy. But just this work regimen. Just the way he bosses out corners if he lives to step he still some. Just body any it's they'll be affected. And bulletin is less year. So it's financially. Say whatever he wants because he's the best Acevedo legally. I. Served just whatever they feel is right or not doors ation because they kinda wanna get the best possible. But Louise, he could demand whatever he wants because he's premium east of receiver. Everyone wants have only seen this though by that. He's the best was relieved just at this point. So you hope for five years he still played a high level and knows after that. But to be dig up to prioritize because of course, vulnerable Chlor last week before the Dion Jones Goshi lift so it's gonna be just progress with that so icy who is offset number permanent but for St. on Jones as the centerpiece defensive at the gate of soon as well. Yeah. That's a lot of stuff coming so just for comparison Sammy Watkins Tonio Brown or both making right around seventeen million per year on their deals Antonio Brown. His new deal is giving about thirty million guaranteed on the over three years. So Gina your thoughts on Julio in. And what the team may do here. Have you seen this man's closing speed? Like, I watch this highlight video the other day of holy cow playing defense, and it was you know, after interceptions and things like that. And he was running down receivers from like the other side of the field. And he is like a cheetah. This man is human, and he shouldn't be paid like one give him all the money that he wants back up the Brinks truck to his house just dump it a lot. I don't care what they have to do. Holy jones. Amazing. I want him on my team forever. Pay him. Everything is that. Listrik? No. But that is what I want to see happen. 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Our each Monday, we speak with the top athletes enemy from world. Champions two rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning enlistment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. We answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world of professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back with the Takahara podcasts with Gina Thomas. Allen sterkcx. This is w the the next and the last thing we wanna talk about for falcons free agents that we wanna get signed is the big one Grady Jarrett, obviously the falcons right before the deadline. Put the franchise tag on Grady Jarrett is non-exclusive tag. We'll talk about that in just a second. This does give the falcons until I believe June sometime in June or July to get a deal done with Jared. If they can't get a deal done by that deadline whether deadline is he actually has to play under the tag for the two thousand nine hundred season, which is about fifteen a little bit over fifteen million dollars for that defensive tackle position. So gene, I'm going to start with you Grady Jarrett. We've heard that the sides the fall. Far apart? There have been rumors that he wants, quote, unquote, Aaron Donald money, whether your thoughts on Jarrett as a player what you know on whether or not he should get paid. How all of this plays out? Well, I think that they will probably work something out with Jarrett. I think that Jared chair is going to want to stay here. I think that they'll be able to come to some kind of agreement, but I understand why once the test the market, and I understand why the team had to apply the franchise tag. We've got a few months now that they're that they've decided to go that route. And so I think that over that span they'll be able to figure something out the one thing that concerns me is that they applied the non-exclusive tag him. So that he can still talk to other teams. So if they had applied the exclusive tag, I feel like I probably would've been more comfortable with it. But yeah, I still think that the work something out. And to to give some context some fans asked about the nature of the tag, first of all, the mon- exclusive the non-exclusive tag is what most teams use to genus point it does allow him and his agent to talk to any other team. They want to however, if another team gives him an offer sheet the falcons get the right to match the offer sheet made to him by the other team. And if they turn it down. In other words, they will let Grady sign with whatever team offers him contract. They actually get two first round picks as compensation from that team for leading Jericho. So it's as a matter of fact, someone asked me the other day if that has ever happened, and I cannot think of an instance in recent memory where a team actually gave up two first round picks to sign away a free agent like that if you guys can think of any. Me. No. But I could not think of any in recent memory. So it is exceedingly rare that a non-exclusive tag results in the player walking away. So Alan with all of that said your thoughts on Jared. How you doing? Defense attack position. There's so much Greytown there. So that's why I can't see team trae away for two trumpets course, viz look to us route fix even so crazy Jon Gruden would put. I understand. For Trent Brown. Linda conflict the deals they've got the highest paid players position. I'll either players top-five cons these top five, but you understand why? Jared wants to end the lion. He deserves the jobs at the he's the most valuable offensive player on the roster consistently excellently huge away just crime. He's really Volve as a pest at the something earliest creates struggle with banana seemed just make impact we get week out. I told this day was to get paid like it because he's one of the centerpieces, so and I think also people need take into consideration. Just because you're the highest paid player position. Doesn't mean. This could be time. Devante Freeman was is payment league. We all the, but we all agree that he's not the best league, especially that time. But Jared I'll put he's not here. Don, he's not Fletcher caused by Pullman that secondary. He's that good. He's entering his privates east. You got the value players like the whole thing. They would have because he somebody that is going to be like I said he's gonna be on the franchise cornerstones he's improving since twenty sixteen. And I think in fairness he is if anything he has improved every single year that he has been on the falcons his his level of play has only gotten better, and he's not one of those players that suddenly had a great season his contract year. He is literally every season become a bedroom better player and even this past season just became one of our best pass rushers from the interior and the best pass rushers period, you know, interior or on the edge. He was one of our best ones for reference just looked it up. Fletcher Cox who elementary and recently got a six year contract hundred two million little over one hundred million with about sixty three million guaranteed averages out to about seventeen million per season. I think that is kind of number that he's realistically gonna get. I don't think he's going to get the same numbers. Aaron Donald got 'cause Donald is a generational talent that very very few people can compare to. But I would not be surprised to Ellen's point. If he gets let your Cox money because as we've seen and this comes up a lot I want to if you guys take just a quick second to address this because this comes up. Even if you think a player is not the top his position. So you think you know, he is not the best defensive tackle league. The the question isn't whether he is better than their Donald or whether he's better than Fletcher Cox. The question is if you let him hit the market will another team pay him like he is. And the answer is absolutely undeniably. Yes. If we'd let Grady juror at the market another team will pay him big money. And that's why you have to pay these guys you pay them to keep them. Because if you let them hit free agency they will walk away, and they'll get a big deal. Elsewhere, and then you have to consider what is the cost to replace a player of that caliber, you cannot draft a Fletcher Cox in every single draft class. You cannot draft a Grady Jarrett in every single draft class. Maybe you can find another decent player, but a player of this caliber, even if he's not the number one player at that position. If he's the number five. Player that position pay the man to Allen's point you pay him. Now into three years. He's not going to be the highest played paid position player that position it all fleshes out. But the worst thing you can do is nickel and dime and try to get his salary right under Fletcher Cox 'cause you think that's where he ranks technically. This is this is not Madden. Not how this works in the real world, you pay the guys, and they keep resetting the contract deals every year, and it may not seem fair. But that's how the NFL has always worked Sajida you want to add anything onto that that my little mini rant there. I just want to reemphasize that great chair have three sex on Tom Brady and the Super Bowl. And so again that is enough in my mind to keep him. And since that time I mean that whole season. And then since that time he is really established himself as instrumental to the fell cans. He has such great burst off the snap. His size really helps him be disruptive. They've gotta keep him. He's just a great player. He was such a steel where they drafted him. They've gotta keep. Eight hundred nine hundred snaps thought more season. It's harder. Yeah. Does I mean he is one of the most consistent forces on the field for the falcons new fat? And he had six believe he missed what two or three games into Mateen six sacks from the interior missing two or three games, which for defensive tackle is pretty good. And if you watch the games he pressured quarterbacks far more often than when else on the team did he was a wrecking ball. So yeah, I'm with both. I think also they will get him to a long term deal. It's going to be I believe in of Fletcher Cox money fans will in in Dubai complain about it. But he he's he's gonna get paid. And I'm happy with that. Because he is a fantastic talent has Ellen mentioned. He's just continue to get better every season. It's going to happen. He's going to stay here in Atlanta. And. Couldn't be happier. So with that said that wraps up the the free agents and the guys on the team we wanna keep let's jump now to our flannel saving. I wanna talk about some of the signings or potential signings. Because technically as of the time of this recording team can actually sign a player. We're in Gina whether they call it. The legal the legal ambling Jared. It's legal tampering is not legal, but tampering is overlooked during the three days, so in essence. Supposed to happen is you cannot it used to be the NFL said you cannot negotiate with player that is not on your team until free agency opens which is always four PM on the day that the new league year starts this year. The league year starts March fourteenth so four pm March fourteenth, which is Thursday is win free agents can actually sign the NFL. However, they did this years ago. But they finally wrote in the rule that said, okay, we know, you're doing it anyways. So we're going to let you talk to other players, and you can agree to terms and principle. You just can't make it official until free agency actually opens, and we actually saw today a very interesting. Consequence of that where ethnic bar was correct me if I'm wrong he was going to the jets. Yes. Alan you wanna finish what happened with with cool. Cool feet. Minnesota better offer inside the state of Minnesota. I'm gonna -ssume that Greg Williams scared away because as we all know, quite Williams is terrifying slice horrible human being. So all my buddy, I live at York's L of your cell further yet, they're like on the Justice. Of course, they hid of the top science day. Just couldn't get but get Moseley, but still. Yeah. So to the point we just made on paper, he agreed to sign with the jets and the day later, you know, nothing was official and it became unofficial. So that said there are a couple of names falcons have been officially unofficially linked to as the first part of free agency. I I wanna talk about what happened that made this move possible as of today to recording this on Tuesday, March twelve. Earlier in the day. The falcons actually used a clause in Matt Ryan's contract, which is an automatic clause. Allows them to convert his salary into a bonus which subsequently allows them to prorate that bonus and push off some of the cap hits a future years. They converted eight point seven five million of his deal in ended up freeing up about seven million dollars cap space. Obviously that kind of move got people thinking oh gosh there there now fring cap space to make a move which they did. And I do wanna dress something because I saw people trying to give you know, Matt Ryan the credit for being a team player in doing this, which I am the biggest Matt Ryan fan you'll find but he had nothing to do with this. It was. It was his contract. This is a standard sort of for Matt for big contracts. Like, what Ryan has this is a boilerplate type of deal that they put into all these contracts where they it allows the team caps lex ability to you know, as we said kick the kick the can down the road a little bit with the cap is concerned. So guys, you know, we all love Matt Ryan. But this was not something where he went to the team and said, hey, let me take a pay cut. He is still getting the same amount of cash this year. Nothing changes for him the team just get some cap relief. So I wanna put that aside. But now onto the today that we saw Gina. I didn't know anything about these names. We're in the falcons chat when these sort of dropped in came out of nowhere. The I was John Brown who believe came from the jets is that right? Yes. The giants. I'm getting these to mix up. Yeah. Yeah. The guy the guy name the Spanish him came from the. No came from a giant say, I can't even keep a straight. All I knows his name is Spanish for him. And and he is a very a very large, man. These of the things. I'm gonna look it up because I had no idea this guy was and let me see here. Jim Jim Brown. Yes. He is six foot four three hundred and forty pounds. According to PF. Spent some time in LA and most of the season with the giants big big do which we'll talk about that in the second the other name, which I think I was getting him crossed up with was James carpenter. And I believe he came from the jets if I'm reading this, right? Yes. Yes. He came from the jets. I knew that. Because one of our local radio guys Brandon leak. Rached outs made stay when Chris or walking our dog and asked me if I could get a jets and Chien's writer from Espy nation to talk to him about the signings. And I was like, that's right. They're both New York's EM. So that's why it's easy to mix them up. And then I had to look up our posts to be sorted that I was asking are jets giants guy to talk about the right people because I had never heard of this guys. So anyway for reference James carpenters, six foot five three hundred twenty one pounds. So. So what does that tell us? Boy is I think it tells us that we're gonna move away from the zone scheme. Because those those men can't move that fast. And I'm just being honest. It's not a criticism just being think that is. The big thing here that these are two massive human beings and. On the plus side. It looks like they're going to be far more stout impasse protection. If there's one criticism, you know, people have of the design blocking scheme when you have those smaller more athletic offensive lineman. Those seven step drops for quarterbacks tend to be more painful. And we saw that with Ryan we saw Ryan last year. He got sacked allot Allen. I know you saw it firsthand and doing your gift reviews where Allah. Ryan was constantly sort of under pressure in those deep drawbacks. And when we talk about the zone running scheme to lie people just say the zone blocking scheme, but in reality all teams run some variation of inside zone. It's the wide zone where you've got the backside cut blocks you've got guys, you know, really having to cover a lot of ground going out. Why giving the cutback lanes the running backs? I think that is what's going to be drastically reduced so Gina. I'll I'll ask you. What do you think about this move? And what it may signal as far as the falcons making that change, even though, you know, again Quin sort of said, no, we're not going to change our scheme. This seems to indicate there may be some flexibility there. I mean, I don't know unless they're planning on doing some kind of like platooning. Lineman. I don't and that's a terrible idea because chemistry is just integral to this accessible line. You can't really change the lineup. Yeah. I just I don't see how that works with these guys. And even as roads or even as backups like I don't see how that works with these guys. I think that this. If you think back to the Paul Eli enticing Tyson Jackson signings, and we're like, oh, man. They're moving to three or four. There's no that's three or four like we are all amped about it. And then remember, it wasn't do some kind of like, I guess fell kipnes related post traumatic stress syndrome where I'm like they really could sign these big guys. And so me planning to do that. Which would be terrible idea. I don't think so like, I just think that that is way too unreasonable. Go. The take was so hot Jeanne dropped out. Right. Well when she comes back. We'll ask her Allen. Whether you think about these these moves and bring in these two big big bodies shook it because she is such a great athlete outs. Even though his getting older still good size. When the best him. Jason Kelsey, see them gets a second level to flower job and socks done. I guess tie somber athlete of we'll see. I'm still not convinced he's star mislead. But oh. She'll jump back on. We're good. I'm not I'm not sure if he starts but Todd tell but it's gonna be it's too. I think one thing that Dan quid you can tell you get really sick of I'll have to staff about this up with the fell be. There is one of the worst. Show yours convergence us day could not convert on the report the short-stay allies last year got support. Muhammad, Stu Heather while the converged show yourself bandit bar. I could see why they wanna get necessarily front. I do corP knows a former first round pick actually was with Quincy. I know D coordinator, but Quinn, new Seattle or lively to thirteen to fourteen. So so I think there's some ties they Brown was actually the first year would show McVeigh star. But then he injured in preseason. I think also Blake is named took the spied never looked back. So these guys do have star experience as encouraging. I do wish they could may be spent more money on. I know the couldn't for Roger Seth. But may civil with those little worker, but the cap space, do I guess is someone encouraged gang gourds store experience because it's no doubt. That was the weakest position on the roster. Just no star is like vitro Kim years, but he's injured prone. I don't think west showing serve we've seen two years of now. Don't these NFL caliber star diesel back of best zanesville, same Beatles? They really need to go. Get guards. It would've been cool to see them drifts gore. The frisk ride gets younger, but I think they see there's a lot of flaws on the roster at do believe this is a draft where there's gonna be a lot of good defensive lineman. Log of detectives as well. So why not just get up veteran guards coz? Yeah. Yeah. Now, I think too especially with ofensive line that can be a couple years before those guys pan out defensive line, especially defensive interior you tend to see a little bit quicker production from those guys. So I can understand that. Especially with Ryan at the age that he has probably wanna make sure that they keep him much cleaner in the pocket, and they had in the past and is much harder to push around the three hundred forty pound man than it is a two hundred ninety five pound. So real quick. Alan your thoughts, on Beasley is this. The right move was at the wrong move should the team of gone head move on. I don't think it's the right. We will buy a power move on Dan quince, but this is his first ever draft pick in. No. From also pests experience Thomas to be likes to hang onto first rounders as long as possible PR, Jerry. Leave it some early sicker. Lamar holmes? If your players that have that draft pedigree will be valued for even though the production never really met the Bruce row status or higher status. But Beasley at has been impact place on sixteen even when he was I guess you quote impact player over flesh of it just hasn't evolved often tackles, but mainly right tackles this figure out they get the hands on he's doing anything. He just hasn't developed counter moves to really use that speak. Our knows. He's a freak athlete knows that. I I just hasn't quantified the need to see this only games where he's not this, especially big games to see. Right. Tackle get control. Just look does. No justifying pay 'em out by could see why Dan Quinn's do inches because he wants to see if he could get scwhab because he is somebody that has the first pick of his tenure end is still someone that's really forgetful at may be just figure out ways get creative would have been those. But do I think bees? For long term. Now. I think he somebody that just gonna realize that was a mistake that he just he's kind of the bench at dimension. Just isn Sunday. You could keep t- in the win on special player has says. Yeah, I agree. I was firmly in the boat that they need to move on. I'm with you. I understand why they did it. I think the Dan Quayle is thinking, hey, if I get my hands on him and spend more time with them. I can help him to develop those moves. But honestly, I think if we were going to see that we we've seen the progress in. That's the thing that I just don't think we saw any of we didn't see any progress from two thousand sixteen seventeen seventeen to eighteen I think we're going to suddenly see that progress happened between two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen. I don't think he'll be you know, worth what his agent is gonna wanna try to get for him after the season. Even if he gets double digit sacks. I think the best thing for the falcons to do is to on in not treat dislikes Sam Baker situation where he has one good year. And then they come up. It's another name. Yeah. There's a as well. Right. So I honestly if he does have a good season, maybe you can hope that he signed somewhere, and it gets you a Compaq as a free agent that that signs on the another team maybe three or four team will think that they can do more with him as an outside linebacker. But I just think it's time Atlanta has been a bust. What makes is that? They fully commit to him as an edge rusher in twenty eighteen because we aren't so seventeen deploy little straw Cy linebacker, right? Partly due to injury. Also because I think would wanna try there. But it says eighteen they're gonna make enough to you're gonna rush the passer hundred time and to be plagued the seventeen sluts decent games rep. But at last year there were very few flashes. Like, all that's the Beasley that was ironically, the sacking twenty sixteen looking back on who led the league in sacks. Just Vic visi tells it sixteen that will never make sense. Though, it won't hurts because it was really excited because you've twice exchanges because everyone knows falcon fans a bit crazy for Russian for years ever since John Abraham cut. They just one that explosive big play this week depend on week in week out to generate pressure in Spezia, just has been unfortunately in the I think this is one thing they keep an eye on in two thousand nineteen is you know, what he does also what what tat McKinley does and potentially a draft pick as you mentioned Allen. This is a. Potentially very deep deep class defensive line talent in and hopefully the falcons will take advantage of it. So with that we're going to wrap up this week's podcast Allen. Thank you for joining us. Again, it's been longtime one have you back on more frequently. So why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you what you've got going on. Right out folks afraid, I know the falcons aren't gonna be that active. But this definitely still things that should come up is free agency. Most teams have thanks that that going to change their franchise. So maybe one or two more sonny's than of course, we at the draft come up. This is the pivotal year for franchise 'cause when's now the full fence according responsibilities and the pressures on because sees only again berry seemed teams at the Packers improving. So this team's gonna have to keep a was because NFC eight nine teams play. So that's exciting. But cover news, hopefully within April May June. That's where or create. While for my dears. That's when I start you being that mad, scientists fun three. Three right now between more Sonate boats allow cover the news because there's just so much stuff coming out right now. Yep. Absolutely. 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Falcoholic Interview: Evan Birchfield

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Falcoholic Interview: Evan Birchfield

"This is the podcast. The official PODCAST. The Atlanta Falcons on the espy nation. Podcast network. I'm David Walker. He guys to call me. And this is the next part in our series of podcasts. Were you will listener. We'll get to know. Our stable of writers over at the COM. Next guest is to any of you who listen to our podcast. During the season he is my co host on the post game. Podcast is one of variety at the site. I'm talking of course. Evan Burchfield Evan. How are you doing man? I'm doing great. I'm ready to just talk about myself and be selfish here. Yes obviously this is all about getting to know the people who make up the Hollick DOT COM and make this podcast. You're a critical component of that. So let's jump into it first of all. Obviously I question Aid You Falcons Fan. And when did that happen so to summarize it because I could literally tells the story all day I was born in western North Carolina near Ashville. Which is the main city there And growing up before the Carolina Panthers came in there in Ninety five me and my Dad. went to Atlanta because it was actually about the same distance in my dad has is a lifelong Minnesota Vikings Fan since he was a kid. Mom because in he'd explain to me back then they didn't have you know today's youth in don't They think it's you. See All these different teams in stuff on TV all the time. And that's not how it was the main teams back. Then where you'd see the Dallas cowboys on Monday night football or whatever the same Cisco Forty niners packers. Whatever debt in the Vikings being one of them In it was the time of the Purple People Eaters. Or whatever ninety ways. He's he's a diehard vikings fan in the Vikings in nineteen ninety six. I was actually six years old Where playing in Atlanta so we went down in its Two two and a half hour drive so we went down to Atlanta Georgia. Dome and I I mean I was only six so unfortunately like I don't remember a whole lot of the game. I know the Falcons did of course lose the game Seventeen to twenty three I think tomorrow Anderson was on the roster I don't think June Jones might have been the coach Aside from that I mean. That's all obviously stuff. I looked at after like I was a kid in. The nose bleeds. Like I don't remember anything about the game. Got Some pictures from it and stuff like that but he took me. You know thinking I would become Minnesota Vikings fan like him. I don't know if it was the black jerseys black helmet just the coolest they had or because they were the home team but ever since that moment I've been you could say unhealthily obsessed with being a fan. It's life I think the Falcons I this point is living an unhealthy. Life are so long you got started early. So what is one of your earliest memories? And obviously as Falcons fan it could be a fog gallery or obviously be a very non positive memory. What's your earliest memories watching this team I mean when I think back to obviously like the dirty dancing Jamal Anderson like I I remember you know when you're older and you can look back like you're you realize yeah. He wasn't the best running back that ever lived but when I was young I thought he was God on off-field leg of the way he was his big dude who could You know and they even look bigger back then because in today's football they have. Everything's tighter the uniforms. Tighter shoulder pads on its big back. Then it was bulky in. He had a big shoulder pants. He had that face. Macs with the little. I don't know what it is but it's like old school little horn or whatever like the little U. shape thing In I just thought he was like amazing so doing the dirty bird eventually going on to the NFC championship against my dad's team. Obviously but in the Super Bowl but That I loved Tim to White I just I just remember being in North Carolina Even though we were so close it was rare. That like a rarity to be a falcons fan or see Falcons fans in anytime you did. It was like this big thing 'cause I mean it wasn't like you see how you go to the store and see like the cowboys had or something even today. I guess you could say it's the same but It was almost like a honor. Like self honor where it's like. Wow you know. I'm the Falcons Fan. This is unique. There's not a lot out there but then eventually you get on twitter and you're like oh there's a ton of yeah but when you're back in the days of Social Media. I didn't know any falcons fans. Yeah it's It's interesting you you'd think for a team like the Falcons which doesn't have the broad appeal like you mentioned the cowboys or forty niners. It does seem like regionally for a period of time. The Falcons were very popular with fans in other states. I I know someone that lives in Winston Salem North Carolina. Who is still to this day? A Hardcore Falcons Fan. Even after the panthers came in. Yeah because originally there were the only team really for him to to root for so. Yeah and here's a here's a fun fact. You know it the Falcons. It's like that first game I went to. That's the only home game I've ever been to. I've been to probably ten or more away games. You know in Florida where I live in. I am into a home a home game since. Yeah it's actually something that's relatively true for several of our writers at the Alchoholic Dot Com including our made editor. Dave coates lives in the northeast. We will not pinpoint his location for those who would stock him but moving on. We're here to talk about Evan number three. When did you start actually writing about this team and in what drove you to actually write about Instead of just simply being fan well for me. It started with twitter Which is basically writing. You're just not writing a long article you know you just put up your thoughts during games or after games. Whatever in early Are Corey Woodrow Foods with the Foul Golic? Now he was with risa breeder And you know I got to know corean stuff and I went onto right there for I think like a season I think the twenty seventeen season In Corey obviously came to the Falco Hollick and already knew pretty much all of the writers anyways just through twitter and stuff But I got an opportunity to write for the Falcon Holly in I've been doing that since Twenty November twenty eight team so It's it's I I enjoy it. It's fun to know that people are reading your stuff in some disagree in some degree in just being able to share your thoughts with people. You know even this kind of stuff where people want to listen to my background like. That's an incredible thing I will say for those listening if you're looking to interact with alcohol and its various writers twitter's absolutely under percent the place to do it. Most of us have very significant Twitter presences and Evan is no exception. I exception exceptions so and it's not just football. We'll talk to you about anything. Oh really yeah. I think if you're just looking to get to know the people who also enjoy watching the Falcons get tortured by team. Twitter's the place to do it All right so not. You've been writing about the team for a couple of years. You've been on twitter. You've been at the alcoholic What is one of the worst takes where you look bagging? Fake Oh man a wish. Take those words back because Sarong I I mean the ones that instantly come to mind. I remember being like amped when we signed Ray Edwards. Probably like we'll unease too easy one where like a lot of people share that same opinion but I remember just the excitement like I remember. I told you where I was like I was. I was working at Sports Authority in college and I was like. I went to the restroom to read it. You know and I'm like Oh my God we side Ray Edwards. 'cause I think the eagles were the other team. That was like rumored to be interested in. I thought Oh this is gonNA change stuff. Obviously that fell flat on the other. One is more recent I guess In another easy one but miles jack I remember wanting him in when the Falcons passed on. Komo Neil like like. I didn't have anything negative to say about Neil but I was like what is wrong with this team like war. Why would you pass on Miles Jack? Like he fell into your lap. But you know I guess both of them in hindsight have Kinda had some injuries like So but I mean when Kiana kneels on the field. He's incredible so yeah. I write that up as a self Where state you were alone. In absolutely Ray Edwards was all many of us are always many of us. Were in that boat. So Yeah. The former underwear model did not workout for On the flip side one of your best takes. Maybe you saw player. He thought okay. This guy is and I'm a fan of him and and other people were aboard or someone that early on you thought they were going to pan out and it turned out that they did. Well if you follow me on twitter My most infamous one is probably the Giorgio. Takeo Oh no where like. Everyone was grilled me for but I didn't think he proved enough to keep him and I know he went like eight for eight. In what would that have been twenty twenty eighteen from the team He went like eight for eight He you know he did have a great. He did a great job but I thought it was. Bizarre that Falcon just handed him the Job In we're kind of in that same situation now Where the Falcons haven't brought any competition yet in for Cou. I mean they probably will because there's still a lot of time between now and Preseason but yeah that would probably be one of my better takes because I was in I spent like the whole off-season like why are you just giving this man the job? Then they eventually bring Blair Walsh who was like the King of choking on big kicks like it was like they just doubled down on it and then eventually Matt. Brian came back. But in all die on the hill that it was the place holding a having a rotation of hunters last year that really ruined it for Matt. Bryant's return That's probably another argument for another day. Yeah probably so I will say I do want to remind our readers listeners that it was Evan in not the national writers that broke the News Matt Bryant Being Adam Schefter and Ian rapoport steal my source it is also I wanNA give a shout out to Jack Crawford member. There was at one year. Yeah where like he was coming off the Think it was a torn triceps. It was like something on his arm. in like I was saying he's you know he's gone in for a big year he actually did have a career year any finish like tied for second in Sacks L. Probably me my other some weird best tanks. I will say I like Jack Crawford. Lot for being Just a quality player that Falcons didn't have to spend a lot of money on so yeah and I've got I've gotten to know him personally and he. He really is a genuine Full like a quality person. You know you hear these stories of some of these guys were just like jerks. They liked the fame. Go to their head in just being in the league but he he really is a nice to now. He's in Tennessee. Yeah as as many falcons are all right. So what is something that our readers listeners may not know about you? That's interesting different unique I'm a Disney annual pass holder. 'cause I live in Florida so years ago I got bored in. I used to like put on social media mainly facebook like pictures I would go to Disney and take pictures and put that on there So then eventually I made a facebook page and you can go to. If you're a fanatic. it's FACEBOOK DOT COM SLASH. Disney annual pass holder or on instagram. It's the same thing instagram dot com slash Disney annual pass holder And I have like over to. I think twenty twenty two thousand followers or something. I just share. Yeah it's it's a hobby like I don't get paid for it and stuff but it's it's just like if you're a Disney Fan Theme Parks whatever I share like news on there and pictures and that kind of stuff. So that's kind of my random didn't know about me. Think wow I didn't. That's very cool and taught to almost every week during the season. That's all right the a penultimate question before you head into our break Your favorite all time Falcons player actually Clarify doesn't have to be a falcons player last week. Dropped a couple of names. Neither which were falcons players. Yeah but your favorite player all-time and why my favorite player all time in why That's tough 'cause I I literally could name like six or seven right now. That like I consider amazing. Early wasn't mean yeah Favorite player of all time. I mean I Brett Farr I guess would be. I just loved how he was like not really a rebel but a rebel to the position where it was just completely different than the pocket. Passers like this is mainly because yeah because when I was growing up you know it's like there was like Dan Marino and I guess Joe Montana was on his way out like Week men A lot of these kind of passers Kinda similar where Brett Farve. It just seem like he was totally different in. I know he was on the packers who I'm not a fan of in stuff but I always thought like. He's one of my favorite players. I don't know that's a tough question to be honest because like I said there's like I feel guilty for leaving out so many names. No that's great answer. I mean yeah and I've always wanted a Brett farve throwback Jersey just to have it because you know why not. I think it's fascinating. That he played for the Falcons even though it was only for what a year one year for Jerry. Glanville ship them off. Yeah and actually. I was watching the other day that there's a nfl time-line thing. It's like the nineteen ninety-one Falcons. It's very interesting For anyone who is in that kind of thing I will say about four of the one the one stat that I just love about him is that when he retired he led the NFL touchdowns and he was number one interceptions as well. The guy was the the truest definition of NFL quarterback gunslinger. That you he would throw in the traffic if there were four guys. He didn't care. He thought his arm was strong enough to fit it into a small window and times. It was but he was often proven wrong. Do Yeah definitely but a fun. Fun Fun player. Watch love watching him play and he was in. You didn't grow up in the nineties like he was huge in the nineties He sometimes gets forgotten Like you know talking about the modern quarterbacks like peyton manning. Tom Brady drew brees obviously but Brett. Farve was like back in the nineties. He was one of the top. Dudes like dance. Oh Oh yeah the without a doubt that if not the guy up a period of time so All right. I'm a narrow. This down to the Falcons go to break. This next question is who is your favorite active. Falcons player. And why just one right to swim? Gosh my favorite I mean it has to be Julio Dudes incredible It's one of those things. Where like if he played for in I hate. I hate that this thing. But the hall of fame shows as National Media shows if Julio Jones played for the steelers or the cowboys or you know one of them. Big Market teams be literally considered one of the greatest of all time. He's had earned that even with like the Falcons thing holds it against him. He's just incredible him. Calvin Johnson I think out of this kind of newer generation are the best receivers you know going back to Algeria. Rice and stuff. Rainy Moss obviously could be one of them but just a super rare talent in. We've been blessed to be able to watch him You see him in big moments how he actually does step up on like wider Some other ride wide receivers around the league. Who Don't run very deep routes. But Julio when you needn't he's there you know I'm not GonNa talk about that. Well I know I know. It's probably going to be one of the questions soon but for now. I'm not going to talk about that event that we gave us all depression but who he stepped up in. He did his job. He did not do his job in that game. It's one of those things where it'll be lost in time. But he really is a phenomenal player in not only that he is A. He has diva talent in his nut. He's furthest thing from it. Some people probably don't even know what he sounds like like just a professional even in interviews where he's ambushed by TMZ to try and get him to throw dirt on Matt Ryan or something. The Dude is class. The Way and Eric Robinson our in our last Getting to know the writers series podcast mentioned the same thing. We talked about the fact that you've got these other wide receivers You look at the US Obviously Antonio Brown in Turlough wins in his time. There were incredible talents but along with that came a lot of headaches. And with Julio like the biggest headache that we've had was if very very short holdout which was lasted entire week. Yeah and he wasn't trashing the team or anything no not at all like he was quiet through the entire thing and it just says so much about the player character in Like you said he's. He is a diva talent without the drama. That goes minute so Love the answer Before we get into the remaining questions about Evan. 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Every Tuesday and Friday. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. We're back on the PODCAST. Is David Walker? I'm speaking with my friend Co host during the rhythm season on the post game podcast Burchfield. We're talking about his time. As a falcons fan some of the things finds him that defines his His wife as a Falcon Span And Ever GonNa dive into these remaining questions to the fancy little bit a little bit better. So we've talked about your all time favorite player your favorite current player but the one who are your top three all time Atlanta Falcons like if you were if you're thinking about Evan Burchfield as a teenager putting posters on his wall who were those three guys. They're going to be those posters on Evans. Birchfield's wall now candice Not Be like I don't have to do this politically correct because all like this is to me in how they make me feel right huns. Oh yes I would have to say because in Tommy notice absolutely deserves to be up there. I didn't watch him play like I. You know I find it that you need to have watched. These people play to fully understand like what made them great. Unfortunately I mean. I didn't get to watch him play. I'm not that old but Matt Ryan. For what he's done you know for the franchise We've been lucky to have a franchise quarterback you can talk about. You know super bowls and stuff like that. But he's given us a chance every single year in. It hasn't always been his fault so he'd be one with him Matt Bryant because he's like my him. I Love Brian. But a lot of Matt Ryan's comebacks you know in those early years was off the map. Bryant's leg and we were blessed to have a kicker for so long who was clutch. You know in those moments. I think the true. What worries me is that that last year where you know there were struggles. Obviously I mentioned I think it's it was having a different punter and placeholder every week Not Helping but when you go. Let's say like a decade from now. Hopefully fans aren't thinking. Oh yeah remember how it ended like remember the Times. Where like against the seahawks where he steps up in makes a big kick. Matt Ryan used to get him into field goal range to where he can make. These fifty yard kicks to win the game. You know in a lot. The accolades obviously go to quarterback has got him down there. But a lot of Matt Ryan Wins. I actually did a Falcon holic. I think last year on a lot of the winds came from Brian Light. So He's definitely In my top three and I said it Julio Jones I gotTa keep him up there some great top three. It's just it's tough because like there's a lot of people who deserve to be on the list that I did watch. You know that I like Tony Gonzalez. I love Tony Gonzalez. But there's no way I can knock one of these guys off of the list Michael Turner I loved. Him Chris Chandler was like my first like real quarterback as a fan like I always had a soft spot for him. I even had a Chris Chandler Jersey. And if you're looking on the FALCONS DOT COM. I'll have the picture will be up there but Yeah I'd have to go Matt Ryan Map Right. Julio Jones because that's my teenage years into my present that those were the three instrumental and You know being fan I. Let's be honest. The best stretch of continuous. Winning seasons in Falcons history happened with those three guys team. Anchoring like you said that the comebacks we often talk about Matt Ryan his comebacks and he obviously one hundred percent deserves credit for them but same time. Many of them as you noted came on the heels of Matt Bryant Punching in many clutch field goals. And I don't want any listener to forget the fact that Matt Bryant was as clutch as they came and It fantastic lists of completely agree with you a little bit of a different note. Because in the time the falcons have been around they have had some interesting Yeah obviously we've got Dan Quinn. Currently we've had a guys leg. Do Jones Just a whole host Mike Smith but who is your all time? Favorite Falcons coach doesn't even have to be the most winningest coach used to coach. You enjoy watching or whatever your reason. This well just for the sake of picking one. I guess I'll go Dan Quinn but like I really don't have a favorite Like I'm not willing to go to bat for any of I think it's they had so much. You know like Dan Quinn. He's had so much talent in obviously couch in played a part in that Mike Smith I believe is the most winningest coach Probably like what sixty something wins? He's at Dan Reeves I love the suddenness of like he just I mean growing up I remember thinking he was great in everything in He just he was. You see different techniques from these coaches or different coaching styles and stuff. We're Mike Smith. You saw little more passion You know during Games think wind has kind of that passion also. He's got that like where he wants to give inspirational. Speeches in quotes and stuff like that You know they're all very different. But I mean Dan Quinn he. I think he's had the most success in the years he's been given where you know you go to the Super Bowl You almost go back to the Super Bowl. you know. We've been in a dry spell recently but you know weird stuff like hey think wins going to get fired and then they all of a sudden go six and two or whatever you know and it's like I have you know we have mild I guess connections to the Locker Room where we can hear stuff in the one thing I've heard constantly in. It's now out in the media so everybody knows it but the players loved like they. They love him. They played their azoff foreign last year. Like they that's the reason he's still there because the players really tried to keep him and they they succeeded but they love Damn Clinton. I think that's the kind of coach you want Obviously everybody wants to win. But you know you want somebody who you want to play for. Its like leader. You know you want somebody who's GonNa Legion battle in Dan. Quinn is a guy you know and the I'm a big fan of in Queens and I know a lot of fans obsolete into this podcast in those read site a ready to move on from him but I feel like he's done a lot of things right. I'd I really hope. Twenty twenty goes well for him so to your point I like. He's he's connected with the players in the way that many of our other coaches have not and I think he does things right way so all. Right moving on Falcons players. We have seen quite a few come through either training camp or the team throughout the years. So on. Talk about the most underrated in the most overrated. That you've seen in your time watching the falcons. So we'll start with the first. The most underrated Falcons player in your mind that you see fans constantly criticizes person or Anti Consort Review like dare not appreciated in a way that I mean the obvious answers Matt Ryan but I'm sure like everyone else's picking net so I'm a go off in different but that's who I would pick is obviously what he's done for this franchise something. It's one of those things where once he leaves. You'll appreciate it more in it's unfortunate but that's how that's how it goes. You know the Miami Dolphins are doing that right now with Marina. They've been doing twenty years or whatever so for me. The most underrated in Like it's Jessie Tuggle. I just you forget. It's easy to forget. He was there but he was such a force. You know linebacker in. We've had you know even Tommi notice. These are guys who it pisses me off. But it's like even this past where Tommy no biscuit snub from the hall of fame. It's like these guys were great at what they did. It just ties back to that thing. I mentioned earlier about the Falcons by where it's like. They're on the Falcons so it not. It's a knock against them In a lot of these guys like Tommy no miss might can like. I didn't watch them play. It's been more research afterwards but Jessie tuggle actually did watch play I think he's severely underrated the linebacker. Yeah I mean I. Unfortunately it's not just one it's like. I have a list of Falcons Who were severely underrated. A lot of them were in the past in. It's a shame because you know if you WanNa underrate Matt Ryan. I think they'll be more appreciation when he's gone anyways. Because of just grady was for the franchise but it makes me sad to think of these guys like Jessie Tuggle Tommy Notice. Might Ken Hell I mean I know. Quant humphries in the hall of fame but Unfortunately this dude had ninety four and a half sacks is a falcon but unfortunately the. Nfl did not count sacks entitled the year after he retired he with the Eagles for two years and so Abraham John Abraham who's phenomenal not taking anything away from him but he gets credit as being the lead sack even though it's caught humphry but he's in the hall of fame so he doesn't have to worry about being underrated. But you know but there's a long list of guys like like you mentioned Mike and Thomas and stuff were underrated and if they had you know a steelers logo on their helmets. They would've already been in fame. Tom was on the I. Believe the nineteen sixties. Nfl decade team and not in the hall of fame even though like Dick Buck his But you look up the linebackers I guarantee you all of but maybe one is in the hall of fame. Aside notice it's it's a travesty really I know like even you can look at like billy white shoes. Johnson was Part one of the all decade teams and he was like one of them. He's like the only dude who's not in the hall of fame like. Yeah so my my underrated. Nece I guess comes from the bias of conspire all right. Flip side of that equation. Who is in your your mind when the most overrated? Where'd fans maybe got behind this player in a way that you didn't completely understand Ooh Cautioned I'm prepared to duck because the tomatoes are gonna be thrown at me. Ha Like I was a fan of Michael Vick right like throughout my childhood. You know he was the talk of the town like he explosive But like in Hindsight. It's like he didn't play that long in. Atlanta obviously He never threw for. I think more than twenty touchdowns I know he ran you know. Obviously he was running as much as he was passing. But you know stuff like that. It's like I didn't even win win. A whole like we went to the NFC championship in lost to the was at the eagles and that was like for this. You know he went in you know incredible talent I think he him like Dion Sanders impact came more from their prestige in like off of the field. Like giving a talking point to the Falcons Dion. Sanders had to go win super bowls elsewhere. But like he brought a notice to the city of Atlanta. You know what I mean like the same thing whereas like their impact was more off field strictly as a player. I mean I would say it's overrate he's overrated but I don't know I mean there's probably a lot of people who disagree with me on that but You know athletic. Of course there no debating it and like that but is he like one of you know. Some people say veteran Matt Ryan at quarterback like No. It's not even close a belief Critters actually chose my. I think it was James said Mike Vick as well. So you're you're not alone in that. I want to make it clear like it's not that I don't think he was a good player. It's just you know I wouldn't personally bill the statute for him. That's what I'm saying like you gotTa be here for like look at Ryan insecurities been here. How long he's been with the Falcons. Yeah we went to Bolton and great but like that success long-term vic brought more of a socially impact. We're you know all of a sudden. You're getting Monday night. Football Games in you know everybody wants to talk about the Falcons. 'cause the Nike commercials and stuff like that. But so I'm just speaking strictly as a player hundred percent all right. The most gratifying win for the Falcons. Since you've been watching them I mean it's gotta be the packers in the NFC championship a few years ago. And obviously that's probably because it's more recent but I have never felt more What correct where it is like I could ran through a brick wall. I would've been knocked out but I would have tried more like cocky confidence like we were. It wasn't like we defeated them. You know we beat the hell out of from it was. It's one of those feelings where I'm scared. I'm never going to get it back. Like even if the Falcons do you know they become great again like we didn't know in that moment maybe we did. But we didn't really want to cherish because we were too amped up on the success but those were the greatest times like that feeling even before that playing the seahawks. You could say like. That's one one. Am One be quick even the back of it sometimes in all it like I get sad. I'll just watch the highlights on Youtube and it's like when Julio is getting pass interference in stiff arms at dude and just takes off like he's running a damn you track me. It's like caused elect. Bring me back. Please I'm getting choked up just thinking about it was it was remarkable. It felt like finally the years of you know being upset over this team feeling crossfield like they're personally out to get you like doing dumb stuff. it's being rewarded in. You know. We obviously didn't know what was to come. But at that moment it was easily the best feeling in the world you know in this also ties back to earlier. What I was saying about being a falcons fan if you live in Atlanta. It's probably a little different because there are obviously more fans there but you know like in my family around my friends. I'm the only Falcons Fan. They know because you know it's a rare thing to falcons fan Especially outside of Lena. You're getting all these texts and Oman. Everybody's watching it's the NFL it's the NFC championship game. Like there was only two games. That we You know it was. It was a great feeling. You know getting congrats and stuff from people you feel like you were a part of the team you know exactly so. I wonder what your next questions Shirley. That's the end right. Oh no because part of being a falcons fan is suffering and a sub to ask you because many of us at the Falcon Hollick came close to retiring after this particular game How hard did the super bowl loss hit you personally and it? Will you look back on it? Who Do you blame? Do you blame anybody to blame. Sean Hannity Blame Freeman a what does that. What does that game quakes? You okay first off. How hard did hit me I cried like real tears like somebody passed away in. I'm kind of ashamed of it because it's like one of those things where it's it is just a game. But when you live being a falcons fan you know being a football fan in general Especially for a team. That's not had a lot of success like this is your you know. We're in the off season right now. And we're constantly talking about the falcons. Served in football. Played Falcons football played months in. It's all we can never talk about so you know in just the build up. I think the thing that hit me. The hardest was During halftime you know having family and stuff like Oh man good job. You're you're GonNa win and you know all this stuff in I. I live like my mom. For example I remember like it was yesterday saying. Oh you know you guys are doing great. You've got this in. I told her I'm like it's not over yet. You know trying to slow people like I was excited at halftime I was. I was more excited than I was at the beginning of the game. But I wasn't like parading around saying yeah. We got the Super Bowl. I can't wait to go to Disneyworld. You know because obviously I live in Florida so I would've been there but I wasn't doing that sort of stuff. I was like Willett slowdown. I've seen this team. They have this thing where they do. Love to let people get back into games. You know and sure enough. It did end up happening in. Just remember bawling my eyes out. 'cause. It literally hurt Yeah so what was the second part part because that was enough. Who Do I blame going? I mean I guess it has to start at the top Dan. Quinn 'cause I would have been running down the chain again. Like what the Hell Are you doing? Run the Freedom Ball I mean we all go down that the sequence of plays where Julio had that the greatest catch in that game like we'll be overshadowed by elements. Lucky ask fumbling of the ball. That happened to go into his arms. But that I mean I can see that play in my head just by thinking about it It remarkable that play summed up. Julio Jones's in Matt Ryan Trust in Julio Jones because he probably shouldn't have thrown that ball and Julia probably shouldn't came down with that ball but they did that have been a statue in Atlanta. And I think that's the worst part is it'll always be forgotten but it's it has to be in obviously we're biased. Perhaps be one of the catches. Plays whatever you WANNA call in. Nfl history are in Super Bowl. History Yeah so anyway. Do I blame. I mean I guess Dan I don't know I I don't really put a whole lot of blame. Look back at it because it's pointless at this point we were. We were one of the best teams scoring wise in. Nfl history So it's hard to be like. Hey you know call. She hit him with the hill. Like he's a big reason. Obviously why we were there to begin with so I don't I try. I know it's a boring answer by. Try Not to blame anybody just because you know in that moment like I don't remember it'd be different if I was stopped back and we'll say me and I was screaming at the TV. Why don't you guys run the ball? But I wasn't I was like you're a Julio they they could have run the ball obviously in hindsight. But I'm not GonNa Bash anybody. I hear last question to wrap this all up looking ahead your thoughts on the current regime Within the Atlanta Falcons that starts at the very top. You Know Arthur blank all the way down to the janitor in whether your hopes for the twenty twenty season. Yeah so I mean I love Arthur blank. it's just. I think we've been blessed to have a Greek owner. You know there's a lot of bad owners out there in. Yeah maybe sometimes. He's more recently been putting his thoughts out there more than he probably should but at the same time. I think it shows that he cares. Yeah he owns this team but he wants to win I mean I can't imagine you know. I heard obviously but imagine how he must have felt after that super bowl like we saw him in the boosts dancing because the Patriots fans huge. Show the clip of it. Like this dude was excited. You saw that energy After the NFC championship. So I mean I think the world of Arthur Blank Goff in track. I should have mentioned this earlier but One of my greatest moments and I I know that was a question but one of my greatest moments in two thousand eight when we got Matt Ryan First thing I did I bought a Matt Ryan Jersey in I went to the preseason game in Jacksonville which was officially his first like NFL game. It was preseason though After the game me and my dad or like stand around In the stands taking pictures and I'll have D. W. Put this into the article too. So you can see it if you want But Arthur blank and like his entourage start walking across the field and he sees like my Matt Ryan Jersey comes over In you know he asked. I kind of blinked. Because I was like oh I didn't mean to make a pun. I spaced out. I'll say because I mean I was shocked. I was you know I was a teenager. Like this was amazing. The owners coming up to talk to me You know he was just like Oh. How'd you like art young quarterback and I have no idea what I said? I probably said he's great. Whatever he ended up signing Matt Ryan Jersey in ever since that moment. I've just thought the World Arthur blank and then you see like the charities stuff he's doing more recently Yet so that start the top blank I think the world of him Dmitrov that would take me hours to just talk about so. I'm just going to say it is what it is Ali reload. Yeah Dan Quinn. I like him. I wish the best form. I don't think anything negative about him but I do want to win. In if he's not he's not I'm hopeful I know we have. The most difficult schedule came out recently. Most difficult schedule based on two thousand nineteen opponents by like like I said On the phone colleague Dot Com in our roundtable article. You WanNa be the best. She got beat. The best like we definitely will be facing the best. You know playing the packers saints twice. Lord knows what's going to happen with Tampa Bay but for some reason what they have on. Paper transitions to the field. You know that's going to be tough. That's I think we played them twice in the last three weeks. And that's your bread and butter games where you're trying to make the playoffs In I believe the chiefs are week. Sixteen like that's insanely man. We have a talented roster. So I think that's the biggest Thing TO BE OPTIMISTIC. Avowed his yeah. We're playing some tough people but we have some tough people to I love the draft. wasn't huge on. Terrell early but You know faith in some of these voices. I trust like Eric Robinson Kevin Night. Obviously every day they know they're talking about you re read their content on Dot Com. They'll give you some more optimism What actually happens you know will will let that play out on. Its own but Davidson Hennessy like I love that there you know the Hennessy pick was more looking towards the future. But we do have some guys. You Know Matt Ryan's getting older Julio's getting older Alex Mack. This is probably last season. I don't think anybody's GonNa think that's a crazy thing to say Our defense is better So I'm optimistic in. That's a scary thing. To be a falcons fan but would it be a fan if you didn't go into the season expecting a super bowl at the end. Because what's the point of being a fan exactly? Yeah and that is the roller coaster ride of any Atlanta Falcons fan over the past decade two decades three decades to pick so Evan we've gotten to know you much better here on this podcast. I'm not sure if that's a good thing a bad thing. But it's a great thing so one you remind our listeners where they can find you and what you've gone. Yeah so you can find me on twitter at Edinburgh in you know like I said earlier. I'll talk to you about anything I do like to do. A lot of fantasy football Which I you know Humble Brag but I'm pretty decent so if you ever need advice on that I do have you know fantasy articles one of them. I think comes out Friday Which is like a cre- training camp rankings list I do have currently out some more. A undrafted free agent content Like mikey Daniel Dying on that Hill. I think he's GonNa make the roster call my shot Zone read stuff like that. And then you know largely just stay tuned to the alcoholic Podcasts IN ARTICLES WAY YOU KNOW. 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Falcons vs Jets - Preseason Week 2

The Falcoholic

40:28 min | 1 year ago

Falcons vs Jets - Preseason Week 2

"<hes> and hopefully we'll have a much better experience logging onto the game coming up all the records. That's that's a great one <music>. The guys will get to the post game podcast for two thousand eighteen in the preseason season week to atlanta hosting the new york jets. I am w and i'm joined today by one of our writers and the photoshop aficionado of talk of our very own evan burchfield evan how you doing. I'm doing great. We're on eleven game losing streak it. It's it's pretty. That's a pretty stunning statistic when you say out loud at this point. I don't even think it's a bad thing. It's just kinda like weird. It is it is is something else that's for sure eleven and honestly i think if we get twelve thirteen this could be shocking at all <hes> with with with these falcons so <hes> this past thursday night thursday august fifteenth the falcons hosted the new york jets in the technically the second preseason game. It was the third for the falcons since they did play in the hall of fame game to start off the entire n._f._l. Season this one was interesting and i think interesting interesting in a bad way for many people <hes>. Let's start with offense because i think that's what garner line of attention from from fans so <hes> evan just some quick thoughts on what you saw from the offense initially maybe that you didn't like seeing that you did like seeing just it's just a high level thoughts before we dive into some specifics. <hes> matt ryan looked great but also took way too many shots because he offensive garbage <hes> in he continuously took shots in for some reason. They left him out there when i don't know if they were just hoping the offensive tens of line was going to be like okay we see he's getting destroyed back year. Maybe we'll all of a sudden be better but he was thinking way too many shots <hes> even scrambled <hes> <hes> in god in god tackled from behind or whatever and that kind of like gave me that nervousness in my stomach like oh yeah this doesn't count <hes> but the offensive line terrible <hes> what i can remember off the top of my head tyson umbrella looked terrible <hes> west schweitzer there was was one <hes> constantly but there was one it was a flag but like he got knocked on his but in just like everything look bad on that offensive line but i mean that was my major takeaway you know and then obviously the russel gage injury which i'm sure we'll talk <unk> yeah. That's my initial. Take aways <hes> mine aren't going to be two two different. I was frustrated with matt ryan constantly being in this game this meaningless game taking hit after after hit <hes> and i think that the the last series people were just sort of shocked and even bouncers for the game were just like oh matt ryan's back in here like they couldn't believe that <hes> head coach dan quinn he put him back in matt to his credit is tough as nails but this this is not the time to to put that to the test so i was little frustrated seeing that <hes> you mentioned some of the names and we're gonna dive into that here in a little bit. <hes> i want to start with offense. No one talk about players stood out for better for worse. <hes> you know on the positive side on negative side <hes> so evan some names is that stood out on the offense to be first team. It could be second thirteen but let some names you think that really did a good job of elevating themselves selves <hes> in this game on the offensive side <hes> first off. I guess we need to apologize to shop because that first hall of fame he an people even events said <hes> you know that he would get better so i mean kudos to them because they look terrible in that first game but you know he he has he has has bounced back. <hes> also i think <hes> the tide engineering graham was i mean aside from his like hurdle. That was very very impressive. <hes> remember hooper doing that before but <hes> yeah graham looked great i mean there's been a lot of talk about that like tied in battle battle going on between him. Paulson hooper's obviously safe but <hes> he he stood out. I mean he led the team in in receptions in yards in for a tight end to do that. That's a big you know it. It's probably not enough to get him. Concrete it to the roster but it definitely like open some eyes that probably when you've been looking there i mean the team also has alex gray. Who is that guy who is on a part of that international program where he was a <hes>. Excuse me a free practice squad. <hes> what's word income ncdc guy yeah yeah. He didn't count against it but he also couldn't be on your roster in <hes> you know he. I'd like to see more him because i think that's an interesting interesting flying completely under the radar battle at the tight end position because of how you know hooper is quietly. You know incredible at that position position like this. There was talks year. You know in the past two years about hooper. I think he's pretty much shut everybody up but now we're looking at that tied in to spy aw in it's it's getting a little more interesting as the weeks have gone on but i'd like to see greg more action but yeah graham is who really stood out to me. A uh dip stood out team. Yeah i think grandma's is the big name <hes>. He said he'd lead <hes>. He led the entire team receptions. He pulled down four receptions for fifty five yards. <hes> he did have that one sort of spectacular leap where he a hurdle the the defensive player you know impasse blocking he he he struggled <hes> which is not uncommon for a young man especially a tight end that is focused more on receiving <hes> but i think if we got done with this game and my immediate reaction was eric sauber who like he he was that impressive live <hes> he's got to do it against better competition but at the same time we never even saw this kind of performance out of sauber over the past komo two and a half preseason so i think it's fair to say graham has already shown more than we saw from sabra time and i you know i'm <music>. I'm with he has not necessarily cemented his spot on the fifty three man roster <hes> but with logan paulsen sort of competing with luke stocker <hes> <hes> as far as being you know a more of a blocking tight end graham really shows a lot more potential in the long term. It's important to note too that that <hes> you know stalker impulse in her both north of thirty years old so i i doubt the team looks either of those guys and says hey. This is somewhat. We want invest invest long-term capitaland but jagan graham you know he's he's a relatively young guy <hes>. He's only in his second year. He was on the practice squad all of last year. I think this is someone that team likes and he has stood out in training camp too so it's not just been this preseason game. He has stood out in training camp. <hes> i think he is working his way onto the fifty three man roster. He's definitely the you know the person. I was the most impressed with a think we saw a couple of plays as all the calvin ridley that reminded us. It's going to be really good you matt ryan was ten of fourteen and that was with two drops in the offensive line collapsing in on him just like it's a reminder that matt ryan is really damn good and if he doesn't get production and tough so tough and played well even in the face of that so in russell gauge of thought was having a relatively game until he got injured in obviously we're still waiting to hear the feedback on that injury. All we know is that it's related to was hip. <hes> it could be a host of things obviously the worst case scenario korea evan as you mentioned in laris chat would be a dislocated hip which could potentially put out for a long period of time a bruised hip with have mount for few weeks hip flexor flexor injuries or they can vary. We don't know anything yet. I suspect we'll find out later this week but it was sort of disappointing to see him. Go down with injury especially since you know he's really had arguably one of the strongest preseason of any of the offensive players so far yeah that i mean i'm i'm gonna put out. I'm no doctor but i've seen like what hip dislocations look like and he reacted that sorta way where initially like if you watched him on on the film it could have been anything like it wasn't like he went straight for his hip. You could just tell he was in agonizing pain <hes> and then as they were talking onto him you can see the trainers obviously favoring that hip <hes>. I believe it was his left hip because he went up it. Was you know nobody's talking about the pass. He dropped it but i think he dropped it because he probably you know he obviously gave the injury. Yeah yeah get hurt but honestly. I don't know a human the being who could fall on their hip like that not do damage like he got up there. That's the frustrating part is has shown probably the most promise on this whole well. I mean aside from the regular guys like we know ridley's good we know ryan's like they're not surprising us <hes> but gauges the one that's really amongst angst i think the entire offense came out and put on a statement the last three weeks into see him down like that you know by the time <hes> people are listening to this. They may already know what the injury is so <hes> you know but at the time of recording this we have no idea but hopefully it's in some little hip thing now. Keep him out. A couple of weeks will be good to go because you know dislocated hips literally have ruined n._f._l. Careers is in you would hate to see that because he has lashed yeah absolutely <hes> flip side of the ball so offense some guys is who maybe hurt their stock or yes late so poorly that you were pulling your hair out i mean i think the obvious ones mets hymns. I think i could have done a better job and i. I have the alamos respect for n._f._l. Players by bad like he was was was that conference called the american alliance football or whatever it was that right in nets he apparently what do you know what was on the atlanta team. <unk> just us yeah. That's where he belonged. Any should have like not came. I'm back that was it was embarrassing watching him throat but i mean you know now. We've got ethylene so at least maybe you know i just. I'm craving that developmental dental. Obviously nobody's gonna pass matt ryan but it's nice to have a developmental project banker. You know obviously look the part and then got injured so i don't even know licenses on the roster. Maybe just he's friends with people because he came back but i i mean i'm hoping to see like you know. Push him out of there because that look you look bad. I mean his stats are nine for nineteen which you know it's not good not good no good but somehow he played even worse worse than what his stats are saying. I don't know he was wildly inaccurate for touchdown right yeah it was a pick six yeah and it just all night he was he was missing guys <hes> he had opportunities so no i agree and i don't think anyone was counting on that seems to be a a you know anything more than a camp body at this point and you mentioned matt shop earlier i think he's sort of cemented his position again as the backup quarterback which though some fans are really like upset about but it is like i don't see anyone replacing him you mentioned the name earlier nothing on the highlight him because he he stood out in the worst of ways and it was tyson embryo he was he was very very very bad. <hes> at like incredibly that frustratingly bad <hes> he you know we've heard him call the turnstile before and he lived up to that name <hes> he was getting beat by light. Everybody <hes> and it was a you know in this is on the night where several of the offensive lineman struggled jim brown struggled lindstrom struggled lindstrom's of rookies. You expect that to some extent but some brio like i'm la- generally wondering if the team is going to need to take a serious look at putting matt go no out there right tackle because of how bad some braille was <hes> and to put it some perspective on this when i was at training camp in the first weekend of training camp this year sombrero who stood out for those exact same reasons he was getting beaten eaten camp by multiple guys i saw him get beat in like back to back pass sets by vic beasley and john kaminsky and they beat him badly badly. It wasn't something where like they barely got around him. They embarrassed him and i think we saw that on thursday night and it's really concerning <unk> because he looked good at the tail leonard decent good. He looked decent enough at the tail in two thousand eighteen that i think some people thought okay if he can be decent than that's all. Are we really need but he was. He was well below decent. So what do you make of some braille late. Do you think he's <hes> i it feels like he was one of the biggest disappointments disappointments yeah. He definitely just mean a he was getting beat <unk>. I don't know what else i could add to what you were saying. You summed ended up perfectly <hes>. They're going to have to do something because thank god these games. Don't count <hes> do count towards you know what's it's our opening day death chart and roster gonna look like <hes> so i mean he he was still <unk> when mike he was playing high school kids out there or something like you said he was getting beaten camp. He was getting beat against guys who aren't even on this team. He's getting beat. That's the problem in when you have matt ryan back there. It's it's great to have calvin ritalin. Julio jones matt ryan but if you're not able to get the ball out because ryan not to double back on how tuffy offi is but he was taking shot after shot <hes> and it looked. It just looked awful. <hes> in a lot of the reason was because guys like san braila. Were getting just absolutely mauled by. They're going to do something 'cause that didn't gonna fly. I mean when he gets into the regular season season in you look at our schedule in pass rushers were up against like you don't want to see some great logo against a lot of these guys no and he he's a guy that if he's out there and plays like this he will stifle the offense he will be in the bad enough to keep the offense from being successful. Oh yeah definitely name to keep an eye on soup before we dive into the defensive players in who stood out for better for worse <hes> we're gonna take <unk> a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey i'm spencer hall. I'm holly anderson. I'm ryan nanny. 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I do on the highlight the fact that <hes> this is the first game since week three week four where we saw ricardo ellen in kiana neil both dressed in out on the field for for the first time so it was fantastic says he's them to see those guys out there. It was really encouraging. Obviously we want to see dionne jones out there as well but it looks like these guys you know they're obviously this was a game to get some the rust off. It was clear that in both guys were a little bit rusty <hes> but it was it. It was really exciting to see them back out there so evan. What were your thoughts to starting safeties back in actually playing playing in the n._f._l. In an n._f._l. Game it was great it just i think the biggest shock was when you see him walking out of the tunnel in uniform and you can see you know they show it <hes> before the game obviously unlike social digital media and stuff like that nec all suited up and ready to go and it's like i feel like it was just yesterday when you know they they all went down and it was just like soul-crushing soul-crushing so it's a good feeling to to know where you know a couple of weeks away from actually being like in real action being out on the field <hes> i'm looking forward to it really really good to see them back all right. Turn over you. What defensive player or players stood out to you in a positive way that that made a positive impression in this game yeah us out. The tyler davidson looked very good. There was one play specific where he basically like bob. Him weaved his way into the backfield. <hes> in i can do a justice so you'd have to just seen the video but he looked really good <hes> all of a sudden. It's like our defensive tackle. Gap is like very impressive <hes> and then i noticed one thing like sinatra really didn't play a whole lot so i'm kind of curious what's what's going on with that but <hes> yeah yeah but davidson i mean he was the biggest takeaway germain grace was out there getting some more experience and stuff like that and then i thought i saw <hes> alan bailey out there a little bit at i think he was just skied a bit so you know that's that's interesting but yeah i would go davidson. <hes> yeah and to your point snot. He got eighteen snaps total title but he was behind justin zimmer on the depth chart for this game so i know a lot of people are wondering what is up with that and honestly you know we talked about this in our writers chat <hes>. There's a lot that we don't see both as fans and even for those of us who are writers and we get more access. <hes> you know with gina you know being able to cover the practices and whatnot <hes> there's a lot we don't see what he's interesting because i think <hes> you either we haven't seen maybe a ton of development from last year to this year as opposed to some of the guys who are going from your one year or two <hes> i'm with you. Though on tyler davidson he stood out <hes> and i'm actually right now looking at <hes> pro football focus in their defensive grades and he was the highest grade defensive player so good on you evan for for for being in lockstep with fest saw <hes> i think another name that stood out was vic veasley he he had the sack it was it was a legitimate was and he it was based on an inside mu yeah and it was good to see him do something other other than just use the speed rush and <hes> it was like legitimate sackett wasn't a cleanup sock. It wasn't a junk. It was him beating the tackle with with with a good you know inside counter and getting to the quarterback want to see more of that but it was it was nice to see that <hes> yet again <hes> i thought austin in larkin continued to make a case that you know he should get at minimum consideration for the practice squad and we'll just have to you see how the fifty three man plays out but this guy is nowhere like before last week. We didn't even know who austin larkin freaking was and now you know he's he's sort sort of up there and actually those lines. I thought justin zimmer played relatively well at defensive tackle so as you noted added <hes> we've got some really good depth at defensive tackle now whereas i think going into the season while people were thinking oh we need to draft a defensive tackle draft draft oft and it really seems like between davidson jarrett <hes> gosh jack crawford massing. It wasn't even out there. Yeah hagman was injured didn't get to play <hes> justin zimmer as a potential. You know a guy who could jump in front of danger snot. There's there's some really good depth here so definitely agree taller. Davidson may be the best free agent signing so far for the falcons this season season. He looked really getting escape yep. Let's flip the script. <hes> who on defense do you think maybe did not don't have such a great game. <hes> compared to the other guys <hes> i mean nobody really stood out as just not having a great game but you know i mean it's really not like big injuries at least that we know of belie- it's worth noting that casey got hurt in looked like a rib injury generally is it has we are recording this. It was like a day to day so he should be good to go for. That sounds like it was a bruised rib. Not engages level because we don't know what's gauges but they gave some. I'm news on tuesday and then sheffield <hes> on a i believe it was a pint hunt returned or something <unk> sammy <hes> which looked like he pulled it. I don't think he returned to the game did he. He did yes so i mean. That's something to monitor especially for somebody who it his biggest ability is pretty much his speed. I think he was like one of the fastest people in the entire draft. <hes> you kinda hate to see that especially early in pre season but <hes> i mean nobody really jumped out is like being terrible i mean i mentioned this thing where it's kind of interesting but i mean you explained it by. It's still kinda interesting like why isn't there dan. Did you see anybody. You'd who didn't look bad i. I don't think anyone was terrible. I think bleary had a couple of bad plays at a pass interference call against him which was pretty obvious. <hes> rico looked a little bit rusty. He missed some tackles which is to be expected. He hasn't played since week three last year. <hes> and i think you know just some the young guys obviously they're still getting their their bearings about jordan miller. <hes> was one of the corners i think that you know he struggled a little bit here and there but actually the overall. I felt like the defense played pretty decently. They gave up the touchdown drive at the beginning but then they really settled down. I it seemed like you know the next two who series the defense really got their act together. They basically for the most part shut down the jets offense. <hes> you know they we saw them. Generating generating suppressor we saw them defending passes <hes> getting some good tackles thought desmond true font actually had a pretty strong game at least from <hes> <hes> you know the run defense in tackling guys even if he got beaten coverage a couple of times but it really felt like the defense i was a little bit better of the performer compared to the offense <hes> so that's good i feel like that's the unit that more fans were concerned earned about it like. I don't think anyone was really saying hey you know we don't think matt ryan and julio. We're going to get it done this year like the it's. It's like a foregone conclusion asian that that <hes> ryan julio ridley sununu. They're going to be able to put some points up. <hes> i think the question marks were with the defense in anything. The thing that made me feel like the defense is going to be terrible. <hes> you know it feels like splitting hairs to to really drill down on guys like you know bleed awry for for the pass interference and stuff like that. It's like you're you're nitpicking one or two players from each guy <hes> but in total it felt like the entire unit really just played solid so even though you know they. The game ended in loss. It felt good about the defense at the end of this game. <hes> what's your take aac about the the defensive journal that you feel good about it as well or do you feel like there's still some holes. Depend i felt good about it. I think the important thing is to remember is there's been like when when you see certain things happening on along the defense. It's you got to remember. Oh we'll dion. Jones is under there is like we haven't seen the complete package like it all combined. It's like we're looking renting. Imagine you're putting a puzzle together in its like does that look like a finished product known but we got pieces assist put in there like there were holes in you know when they look sloppy. You gotta remember. Some of the starters aren't in there so i mean i'm an optimistic feeling about the defense personally which you know either as a falcons fan. You rarely have <hes> a lot more optimistic than last year you know and that was before known injuries. I just feel like they even getting hurt. You know it's another year of knowledge under their belt even just being around the team and stuff like that <hes>. My expectations are high. You know as long as ks fine. <hes> you know i just feel like this. It's this fine machine. That's ready to go but obviously preseason. You're not gonna have everybody out there but it's nice to see you know neil and stuff get get on the field <hes> even if they're not playing like a full game aamer whatever it's still. It's still nice to know. They're out there getting some some football under their belt ready for the regular season yup. Ricardo both got about twenty twenty one twenty two snaps in that range each so you could tell the coaching staff was trying to get them get some of that rust <hes> worn off in a in to slowly. Get them ready but i think that's also a sign that both guys are gonna be ready for the regular season if they're getting twenty snaps in this preseason game i imagine the next preseason game. We'll see a little bit more a but to me. That is a sign that those guys are going to be ready to go raring and ready so you go by the first regular season game so i think that's really encouraging. I do wanna see how dion jone jones progresses because you know to to your point we haven't seen the full defense on the field yet and it feels like if we would have had him out there that maybe even that first i touchdown drive wouldn't have happened because he's that much of a difference maker in the middle of the defense but even without him out there i it i saw a a lot of things i liked in the interior pressure from defensive tackles vic beasley making a pass rush move for once in his life. <hes> you know some of these guys just really oh you know further down the depth chart who we're going to have to count on at times <hes> either delivering and actually coming through in in the in the game against it's other starters so <hes> don't want to re too much into a preseason game but some of the individual performances did stand out so four wrap this up any final thoughts on this preseason game anything you want to tell the fans a you know as far as calming expectations or anything that sort before we corrupt. I don't wanna take much longer but <hes> the <unk> go on for hours. I can have a long conversation but obviously to vecchio missing those two fifty yards <hes> yes which if you follow me on twitter you know my thought so i'm not gonna dive too much into it but not in the team is committed to him <hes>. I think that that proves it by 'cause i would. If i was running the team i would have ran the phone phone the second <unk> actually i wouldn't even got rid of map ryan but let's pretend i did. I would ride into the phone in call him up and been like. I'm sorry i'm so so sorry. Please come back you know he'd you broke up with some vitamins like i don't know i'm hesitant to let go because has yet preseason but i think that usually applies more to like offense and defense when you're kicker. You're just kicking the ball. I don't think when you you enter the regular season at all of a sudden becomes like okay now matter so i need to make this like i mean what the first in fairness the first one was walked in that but they you know he missed the second one it went. I think we'll wide left or something so it doesn't give me a good feeling definitely because you know falcon fans. We've been literally spoiled with <unk> always knowing oh get into field goal range because matt brian nine will just make it a more win where the fans are going to if the team goes this route because i mean i think most of the fans love matt bryant. The reason he's done on the team is money <hes> because it was supposed to get paid three million and then also you got a hamstring injury even though like he came back and kicked in the game against the buccaneers in the last week and <hes> his age which i don't see such a big deal because we literally had more dangerous than out third like fifty or something so to me that's not a big deal but <hes> i know certain people are against it and that's fine but the thing those those fans will have to to get used to this season is like i said when we get no situations where the offense just isn't going to score because we know how this team if you've been panel on time you know how the team is where they're fine you know when when it really matters the offense can struggle you know we have a new offense coordinator or not a new one but rejoining joining us <hes> dirk koetter by you know. It's going to be those situations. Where in the past you. You never really got that in like you would get nervous. Obviously because you wanna wind if matt bryant makes it but you would have that thing in the back of your head telling you know he's gonna make you had outmost confidence. Now is going to be a little different because <hes> <hes> you know with tim vecchio. He missed in the hall of fame game. Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe a fifty four yarder in last night was two you fifty two yards obviously like i said one of them was disrupted by defender. I don't know whose fault that is. <hes> by you know when we get into those fifty ranges his any kicker can make <hes> you know twenty to thirty or they should be able to. That's that should be the job of the kicker but when you get to those fifty that's where you decide. Who's who's going to win that game in it something we've all of us have taken advantage of the last decade <hes> with matt ryan being so automatic. I mean you know some people will tell you. He's the <unk> most clutch kicker in n._f._l. History is definitely ace most accurate <hes>. It's going to be a rude awakening because does when it comes even if even if the back of their head they're like him. We shouldn't have got rid of matt bryant. I don't think the upper management's going would would admit failure <unk> air be like being back definitely go down with their chip because you know some people even before the season saying they're on the hot seat whether they are high with problems say no but you know we don't know what's going on behind the scenes but they're not going to admit failure air after three three preseason preseason games but <hes> right now the game storm matter so to vecchio. 's mrs aren't like they're not a big deal. I'm just saying once once we get into those regular season gains in if he's still doing this. You know it's going to it's <unk>. Fans are gonna revolt. They already seemed to be on twitter twitter. At least oh yeah well. They'll be. I mean they may be like walking up to the castle but they'll be thrown stuff. You you know these end but <hes> i mean i don't wanna take up more time but that's that's my initial thought on that. Is you just gotta you know if he's the quarterback kicker of the future. You gotta be patient with him when he misses those kicks. You gotta be okay. You know we lost again again. You missed the kick but that's what you signed up for when you got rid of the eighth most accurate kicker in n._f._l. History because of you think he's too old though yeah now i think that's a great point the two misfield goals do you know i think fans are rightfully concerned and it's definitely something to keep. Can i on because it's <hes> you said perfectly. We got spoiled with a kicker who was a crazy accurate and clutches. They come and honestly you know. There are worse kicks in league <unk>. Ask the bears <hes> how how bad the kicking situation can get <hes> you know they they literally sold their playoff hopes completely dashed purely by the kicker <hes> so it's i think can still pull it together but he really needs. He's pulling together quickly before we get into some of the games that count so <hes> get into your point. It's it's one of the things that <hes> until we actually you get to <hes> the the regular season <hes> and interfacing this head on <hes> folks are going to need to be patient like said it's <hes> <hes> he is not going to be matt bryant and we're all going to have to live a bag because i think you're exactly right. The falcons confront office. They're going to commit to to tobacco this year for better for worse and it could be young hopefully not but it could be some painful. People sledding in the meantime has ryan in when you think about it. Ryan and brian probably have one of the most underrated connections in falcons l. consistory just because of i mean how many games meant <unk> matt ryan gets credit for winning which he obviously earned because he's best quarterback in the n._f._l. History and got engaged got map right into field goal range but also matt bryant mrs those kicks in. I did article on it. You can go back in binded minded. It's there on the foul somewhere but <hes> man ryan won so many games for the falcons which you know he. He's not always going get credit for it but they they had a neutral. They benefited each other. Where now you know the offense. The offense is the best in the league. It's not going really matter. It's just i've been a falcons fan long enough to see where they would get. You know we'd be losing okay. Let's get into field goal range for matt ryan ryan date. They're gonna have to get closer now because fifty fifty and over isn't automatic when that bryant tore his pull these hamstring hamstring <hes> last year. I believe it was on a fifty seven yard that he ended up making so he did make it yeah. I mean like that's what i'm saying is you. You know like i can't remember off the top of my head by vecchio made i believe eight. Was it a twenty four yard or something. In this game in that's fine but those are kickers mate what you separate the great kickers from the normal kickers you know in the league is when you get to that high forties over over fifty range because normal kickers are automatic at fifty. It's just were so used to it like up to fifty fifty two yard field goals else missed is normal normal kickers but if bryan did it. We'd all be like whoa what's going on here but that's normal you know as much people want to you know he's only twenty nine years old. He's a young kid but that that that's not something kickers do fifty two yard field goals. That's not automatic automatic anymore and we're gonna have to get used to that absolutely so on that note. We're wrapping up this podcast casts covering the jets game the preseason game we will be back next week as the falcons take on their third preseason game again the mercedes benz <unk> stadium and hopefully we'll have a much better experience. Lock the game coming up all the records. That's that's the great one so evan solar listeners where they can find you what you've got going on <hes> you can find me at the falcon writing whatever i don't. I don't know if the top of my head right now. I mean i got my. I actually had a map brian. <hes> vecchio article came out today which is available on and the falcone dot com. You can read that anytime in. I appreciate you having me on here for me. Guys <hes> you can find me on the twitter n._f._l. 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Falcons vs Redskins - 2019 Preseason Week 3

The Falcoholic

38:06 min | 1 year ago

Falcons vs Redskins - 2019 Preseason Week 3

"The post game podcast in two thousand nine hundred nine preseason week three atlanta hosting the washington redskins. I'm w and i am joined today by one of our writers. There's and our photoshop aficionado our very own evan burchfield evan how're you doing. I'm doing great in as we started off the last few shows <hes>. I'd like to remind everyone that we glossed weld straight preseason games consecutively next week will be lucky number thirteen and so it's quite the record. Actually it's remarkable. We have to go by two thousand sixteen right to to get the last preseason win yeah. It's it's weird. I mean. I don't even think it gets a bad thing. It's just weird and it's i think a lot of fans will get hung up on it but preseason regular season starts. Nobody's care here next preseason. When we go for fourteen straight yeah. We have to lose the next one so we'll see backups do in week four but at this rate yeah thirteen straight losses seems seems like a distinct possibility so we're we're gonna talk about this third preseason game the quote unquote dress rehearsal game that many fans point to and say hey. This is the game where you know. The offense actually starts putting in some plays and they actually gain planned a little bit. I think some of that's overstated overstated. <hes> that used to be the case but i'm not sure it is as much the case in the n._f._l. These days <hes> the falcons went to this game. They did play a lot of starters but some key guys were out such as julio jones devante didn't play nearly as many snaps as the rest of the starters <hes> we had <hes> either smith taking the majority of snaps running back. Dion jones was still out <hes> so i think across the board you know there were some key guys that were missing but before we get into all well that i wanna talk about. I think what is arguably the hottest topic coming out of the game on thursday night and that is the performance of <unk> giorgio vecchio <hes> he had a correct me. If i'm wrong evan a thirty nine yard field goal attempt that he missed yet <hes> and and his extra point attempt was even though he made it looked like it barely made it through he is now a believe four of eight great in the preseason on field goals <hes> which is incredibly concerning and we sort of saw the chorus of fans last night <hes> ah basically universally saying it's it's time to move on it is time to find another kicker and of course the one name that many any fans immediately went to was bright and of course for those who don't know evan is one of the if not the biggest bryant fans in the world whose last name is not bryant bryant. We do not catch you. You're married to the man yeah does not count <hes> but at this point you know we are a few weeks away from the regular season evan. What do you you think i know. You've got some strong opinions but it is is to vecchio done is he. Is he cooked yes. He is well for now at least <unk> one of our other writers <hes> adnan. He brought up a good point. Actually i believe it was him. <hes> you know the buccaneers when they drafted data guadagno. Who in college was i mean you can make an argument. He was like the greatest kicker in college football history definitely modern college football history history in you see how he turned out. He lost his confidence and i don't even think he's league anymore. <hes> it can it happened that quick into right. That's such you know like we talked about on the last couple of shows. It's a mental game at that position in the second. You think you're done you. You really are done <hes>. That's not to say to vacuous won't come back it. You know someday and be good or anything like that but if i'm falcons management i would have swallowed my pride at this point in you know even if it's not for matt bryant you know it's gonna look bad bad if they bring in somebody else at least to the fans you know i don't i just you know we need him reliable kicker in palm. I'm not saying everybody who's a free agent is one <hes> but to vecchio just right now. I don't know how you can <hes> barring some sort of like he makes goes five for five in the last preseason game name game winning kick. I don't know how you can feel that confident. Because as you mentioned earlier in the show <hes> yeah he missed a thirty nine which twin wide left which <unk> at lately has seemed like his biggest problem akhenaton left <hes> and then also the few or not not the field goal the p. a. t. you mentioned <hes> if he was just a couple of yards backyards amidst like that wasn't even a gimme or anything. I like that <hes> so now we not on top of that. It's like we almost have to worry about you. Know are not going in. It's just it's a problem we you didn't like have a now. We have it in. It's like we got over. You know we'll dive into defensive tackles but that was the biggest he gets question mark. You could say <hes> heading into the twenty nine hundred off season now. That seems like that ain't a problem. You know like that's yeah. That's like the one of the best groups on on our team right now <hes> and then all of a sudden ounce like oh yeah we gotta kicking problem which we have in had in over a decade really yeah i mean but to your question. I think he's done <hes>. I don't see you know and i feel bad form. It's like i hate him or anything. <hes> yeah i think it was kind of unfair the position he was thrown into because he had no real competition. He made five kids last year. Inundate basically said there you go. Here's the keys to the car good luck. You know it's such an offense like this to where we constantly get down field. You know we've seen it over the years where we get down field and then we stall. It's going to be expected to make a bunch of kids like if if you tally up a bunch of the winds probably during twenty sixteen than you look. I'm sure there there's a lot of matt bryant field goals. <hes> that drives ended on in you know if you cut that number in half or even less than there was a lot. The games were losing <hes> and you know you look at the big games. That's what you want is a big game kicker a map brian spinach sure he's got all you know. All all the people saying like oh. He's old. He's injured. He wants too much money and stuff but he still worth it. I think in i i would go if he said evan. There's two routes will stick it out with two vecchio. Who <hes> you know maybe he'll bounce back or evan. Map brian still available available. He may not be after week. One when guaranteed contracts aren't guaranteed anymore <hes> you know with. Do you want to take that risk and go with matt bryant ryan who could possibly get injured in. You'd have to like bring somebody in or sticking out <unk>. I'd go that route. I don't think <hes> tobacco's shown own anything you know. He's he hasn't shown that kind of young prodigy. Kicker like the chiefs have like arison bucker or something like like that to where it's like. You really need <hes>. He looked good last year. Yeah i mean five kicks. Is you know if different if he might win like twelve or twelve or some five kicks. This is good but it's not like the end of the world like e you know is the second coming of something. At least i didn't think so i mean i was saying this before. <hes> <hes> i mean obviously as you said basically leading the charge for the matt bryant army of but like with the evacuate thing it's like i wasn't all in on the whole like five for five i mean the raiders got rid of him for a reason than even. If you wanna look at somebody like matt bryant he <hes> he bounced around on different inst- before he ended up like he wasn't he didn't like leave baylor join the buffs in any came to bana <hes> he you've spent some time with the giants. He spent some time with the dolphins. He spent some time with the colts <hes> in the florida tuskers. How can we forget them. <hes> he's been around. You know what i mean before he got to this point so maybe to vecchio needs to do that to where he can learn. You know elsewhere wear and stuff like that <hes> but yeah i just. I don't see how this team that's built the way they are could go into to the regular season in not have that kind of cloud over their head. The jaguars games going to be obviously a big test assuming they don't bring in. Somebody is competition or you know by think. It tells a lot that they're still going forward with him that they don't want to admit <hes> <hes> any sort of mistake. <hes> you know in that in the past we've seen that sort of mentality to where you know. The fans would be clamoring for vic vic beasley to not be on the roster in they stuck with him anyway even even when he was like looking horrible <hes> same with duke riley or something like that like they sometimes show an unwillingness to give up on somebody which i mean that's a nice trait all but <hes> you know when it comes to losing games you know because that's such a it's an underrated position people laugh at kickers but they win so many games in they lose so many games this sure do and and <hes> you know i i think to your point i do think we'll see some competition brought in the first thing that jumps to mind is nick rose who's been with the falcons in the past last past few seasons of believe in campaign. He's been through before tobacco came in. I do think this next game is going to be the proven proving point for tobacco. If he's going to stick he has got to nail every single kick and i mean literally every single kick perfectly in preseason week four and even then that's still might not be enough <hes> i would say that if he misses another kick in preseason that he is absolutely done the team will make a move. I think they're there. They want him to succeed but <hes> it is. It is a mental game for kickers and as you mentioned the wto was proof positive. I think he got his head. He was a second round pick <hes> in that he had to live up to expectations and he never could <hes> really get past that mental hurdle that was ashamed for someone who is so talented. It's at nearly salta vecchio coming last year in relief through the into a good job and i think gets <hes> we've got a week. We've got a week to figure this out. See what happens <hes> <hes> and it would not surprise me if we hear something this weekend or on monday that the falcons who brought in another kicker in pushing accomplish ashland more thing if i can mention real quick <hes> that i forgot to mention is <hes>. I was curious because he only had one attempt during the game if you ignore the p._a._t. <hes> late late in the game. He had an opportunity where they could have tried for. I believe it was like fifty five or fifty four yard field goal in instead. They decided the punt the ball. I think that's telling that they didn't want. They knew his confidence was done. <hes> whether it was because they didn't want to force forced him out there again but they didn't even give him an opportunity in a meaningless game co ed kinda tells you they basically shut him down for that for that night side from the kickoffs often whenever bite yes so we'll it it is something we'll have to pay attention to the next couple of weeks through preseason week four <hes> <hes> and into the cuts which will happen next weekend on august thirty first so <hes> we'll get a good feel for the falcons stand with kicker <hes>. I think it's fair to say hi there. This is a tenuous position right now for can span so with that. Let's move on <hes>. I'm sure that our fans are upset enough as it is bell the the kicker situation so let's talk about the offense <hes> i think there were some good things there are some frustrating things <hes> and <hes> who stood out to you evan who who do you think stood out the good way on offense against washington. <hes> let's see here. I mean ryan played. I believe forty eight percent under snaps in he looked. He looked good of dolphins of line. Was you know is okay but <hes>. I like each seeing freeman he. He looked you know he didn't get a ton of action. Obviously by <hes> only have like two carries. I believe he still you know you could tell just the eye. Hi test was buying <hes>. Ito smith looked good. <hes> late in the game link came in and he is well. You can see why the patriots like he's basically athlete he. He isn't great athlete. No question question about it terrible quarterback like i don't even know i. I don't know it's just kind of like i see me. Let me look up his stats real quick they went to he had <hes> six attempts. Two of them were complete for nineteen yards but he did run the ball seven times for forty eight yards. It was our second leading roger so i don't think he even came until like late. In the third quarter. <hes> sanu looked really good. He you make some good sideline catches. <hes> hooper made one where he basically like pretty much any other guy probably would have dropped it but he made a catch even didn't go for a first down. It was like on a third now. He still made me catch. What's was like well. <hes> ridley obviously didn't get a whole lot but he had a nine yard catch which looked really good <hes>. It wasn't like he just caught on the culture yeah. He didn't call down at nine yards like he bombed in weaved in made a play justin. Hardy only had one catch but it was like a big twenty four yard one where he basically went up over dude <hes> but i mean there really wasn't like one person sooner stood out to me to answer. Your question is just like a mixture of the offense looked good. <hes> one thing that was interesting was how <hes> <hes> ortiz left the game. <hes> not sure what exactly his injury was. I think it was like your ankle michael. Were me or something like that but anyway. He left the game in the guy. We were talking about last week. <hes> jade ingraham came in played fullback in i i mean it wasn't like eats you know natural at the position but he didn't look terrible which you know i think is a good sign like you didn't notice him looking bad <hes> <hes> by you mentioned it on twitter that it's a sign that the team wants him on the roster in some capacity. Even if he's you know like a third or fourth tight end he can play the full back position. Possibly for the team bios interesting in you noted on twitter that you know they they really wanted him on on the field and he made he made some decent wage and stuff like that so yeah. Did you see anybody <unk> that. I didn't mention the oregon. Yeah you know i thought thought graham <hes> even though he didn't have any big splash plays he actually did fairly well as an inline tied him <hes> blocking impasse sets and you know you mentioned the the few chances he got full back. I do think so long as his knee injuries not serious we haven't heard any updates yet as of the time on that we're recording this <hes> he did go out with a knee injury and undisclosed knee injury so we're we're still waiting to hear what happened with jaden graham <hes> i think he makes the roster at this point because because the falcons were they were they were the first team they were running him with the first team <hes> he was getting in a significant snaps. He made a nice catch on third down conversion and i think he's someone that i think he is directly. Responsible for eric albert being traded. A key showed enough development from your one year two. They felt like he has already leftover salver as receiver and we wanna put more time into this guy than in <hes> with sauber so <hes>. I think he'll make the fifty three songs. He's healthy in the injuries serious. The other player thought stood out <hes> was matt. Gono who played you know started at right tackle. Obviously released released an article at the foul colic saying that this guy should start the regular season as our starter at right tackle. <hes> mainly because mcgarry is not gonna be ready for the regular season <hes> our first graphic kill mcgarry be ready and tyson braille with his injury history and now that his shoulder was injured. I just don't trust him at right. Tackle gano had an up and down night but he had more good than bad ones and i think that's pretty significant for someone. One who encamped has been playing primarily at left tackle. He stepped in the media <hes> at at right tackle the past couple of weeks and he he look serviceable. You know he's not an all pro. He's not a pro bowler. You know he's gonna struggle but at the same time <hes> he looked better than some brian did last week and and <hes> you know for someone who's just his second year in the league. I would rather see go no out there struggling this imbroglio out there struggling at least you feel like with go there some upside. He can learn from it. I think we know who scenario is at this point <hes> so those are really the only two guys i think the you know the two names that sort of stood out maybe for <hes> on the bad side were marcus green than a allama days akitas. You know these guys had an opportunity to sort of prove that they belonged on this roster. They both got opportunities to feel punts and they both full and <hes> i i someone on twitter can't remember who it was said that kenya i'm barner. <hes> locked his place on the roster just by existing getting i thought it was dead on <hes> yeah and it really is true. The other guys that were trying to unseat barnard they completely legally <hes> missed on their opportunity with with just horrible place so <hes> that's that's what i saw on offense wasn't really a big night for that so we're going to jump into into defense but before we we're gonna. We're gonna and that's that's gonna be a fun conversation but before we jump into the talk on defense. We're gonna take a quick break nick. We'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by c._b._s. Sports h._q. So much sports t._v. Nowadays is full of made up trauma. It's a bunch japan tapes from people who don't even believe what they're saying just beating the same topics into the ground but c._b._s. 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P. s. dot com slash sb nation and we're back on the foul ex post game podcast reviewing atlanta hosting washington preseason week three this is d._w._i. I'm here with evan burchfield field and we're going to talk about the defense because i feel like of the two units. This is the unit debt. I think fans were maybe more interested to then either. I think everyone talks about the offense. They say oh yeah. We're not too worried about it was out there. You know what's julio's back once dante's playing all the snaps in this offense is gonna be awesome. We're not concerned about it in the defense is always you know sort of talked about with that big question. Mark is dan quayle in attorneys unit around <hes>. What's it gonna look like with him as coordinator. You know you mentioned earlier. What's what's the depth at defensive tackle. It'd be like a pass rush to come from and i think last night night we saw a defense that looked like they had a fire living under lethem in particular of all of the units. The defensive line was in my opinion the most impressive unit out there of any unit. <hes> you know offense defense on either team. The falcons defensive line played aide really well <hes> evan. Tell me what you saw <hes> from this defense what stood out to you any names that you think jumped out that maybe you know really made as a positive impression on thursday night well <unk>. If people were listening to the last couple of episodes we did <hes> we kept mentioning ally likes. The non. Just wasn't really getting a lot of playtime. He played fifty four percent defensive snaps last night in you know everybody solve the tax blake right where he intercepted the ball in you know shown some athleticism where he was able to take it pretty much down feel <hes> where any any the other defensive lineman minor just got tackled right there <hes> by synon- actually made the play he basically broken in the backfield in <hes> i forgot in which quarterback was was keenum was okay. He hit keenum intact. Good awareness like sitting. There just dropped in his lap and he took off running sonata. He looked damn good <hes> in he actually i believe had the <hes> he was a highest rated falcons defender by yeah p._s. With eighty four point nine which is really good actually he ended up coming in second they of course yeah cloud klay already being number one with i mean we're still looking at defensive lineman joe exactly so on top of that <hes> the guy who look who is my <hes> when you asked me last week who stood out the most davidson didn't even play jack crawford freaking went swimming in the backfield completely really pushed <hes> who was it was eric flowers or something or it was it was embarrassing. Just completely lately swam past him gotten the backfield the defensive line so good. It's so good it's weird. I hope it stays like this but <hes> yeah they will. Terrific was your question just defensive liner defense in general jump into some of the ocassions seraphic yeah you mentioned p._f. I've got it pulled up in the one to go through this real quick because of the falcons defensive grades number one chris claiborne number two not number six was jack crawford. <hes> number eight was tacked. Mckinley number ten was justin zimmer so these these guys all like brought it home last night and the irony of ironies gregg jarrett <hes> was like middle of the pack in the the p._f. Grades and i'm not gonna make anything of that because we know he's great. It's preseason doesn't really count but i think it does point out that these guys the other guys all stepped up in a huge night. I think played himself back onto the fifty three man roster he think he was maybe teetering hiring on the edge a little bit <hes> it was going to be between him and justin zimmer. I think he played well enough to say okay. We gotta stick with that. There is what that was what we thought lot we were getting when we drafted him last year in the third round <hes> and he really just he had actually really good night all around it both as a run-defender and pass rushing so really impressed with the defensive line but it didn't end there like it. The defense is a whole played really really really well in particular the linebacking group and keep in mind dion jones was not out there devinder campbell went out early early so con- <hes> did not play because of an injury the two guys that really sort of jumped out again a._m. On thursday night number one germain grace that in my mind this guy has played his way onto the roster. He has been fantastic. This preseason drain grace has been amazing the second guy who really had such a strong night duke riley who i think many fans have sort of given up on. What did you think of these two guys. Did you see the same thing i did. Yeah i mean they were all over. The place basically both played half the defensive snaps. <hes> duke looked really good in you know he's had some rough patches in the past grace. Look like if we can start <hes> which is funny considering where he came from but then you look at like somebody like ricardo allen who <hes> was like on the falcons practice squad at one point right so i mean it's possible a <unk>. He just looked so good good and he's had you know you can make an argument. He's had wanted a better preseason anybody on the team because <hes> starting off the preseason questions he didn't make the roster sir now. It's pretty much like is he gonna start so yeah. He had the highest coverage grade of any falcons defender the last night he had an amazing pass break-up obviously last week or week before he had the interception guy you know he he probably probably still has a little bit of work to do as a run defender as he has to work a little bit on clean up his tackles but in pass coverage he may already be one of our our best pass defending linebackers and i said this earlier today on twitter and i'm going to stick to it if you look at our linebacking core from the top to bottom <hes> dion jones the vondra campbell duke riley <hes> germain grace foia lucon. This may be the most host athletic in speedy group of linebackers. I have ever seen top to bottom in any on any n._f._l. Team <hes> and i'm i'm assuming at this point that bruce carter is on the outside looking in. I think that they're gonna go with duke and with germaine grace over bruce carter who is not very good preseason in that is those five have guys can fly. They can fly so you know. I think back four or five years ago when falcons fans were clamoring for a athletic linebackers chris pleased to have the slower guys who are good at tackling but they couldn't cover a linebacker to save their lives and now we've got five guys who literally have the wheels to keep up with you arguably wide receivers coverage. We've seen dan jones do it. <hes> we've seen devinder campbell do it and now we've seen guys like dramatic. Grace and duke raleigh have a really good preseason. Let's hope they keep that up. <hes> any other names <hes> on defense evan that stood out to you that you think really made the case the last night as far as making the roster or arguably. Maybe played themselves off of the roster. Yeah i mean i think you touched on some some of them but like <unk>. Some people even questioned if you've made they're all striving after what we saw last night. You probably assume he's going. He's safe. <hes> <hes> abdomens probably not gonna make the roster just the depth of defensive tackles two good plus. He's got like a two game suspension or something like that. Correct <hes> <hes> let's see here. Kaminski's kinda disappeared lately. I don't know why but and he saved but i'm just saying like i was like oh yeah forgot a lot of hype for him early on and i think it's come down some yeah it definitely has i mean but that it may not be his fault. It may just be the defensive lines so good. I don't know <hes> larkin still like pretty good. He's kind of like a dark horse. I don't know if he'll actually make the roster but <hes> he's going to need a big week four <hes> but i mean it's pretty all like you know the people who are really separating themselves like grayson stuff. <hes> you know they're opening is and stuff but i don't see anybody. That's really jumped golf. Golf is like totally making the roster. <hes> some of the other guys are on the outside looking in but i think there's a lot more than we think that kind of of our on that outside looking into have chance of actually making the roster i don't i mean on calhoun. He got injured last night. Didn't he injury. He was at one or not. He took a knee to the head. Remember that yes that's right. That's right and and <hes> yeah yep. I thought chris cooper corner. He played a lot in this slot to kim about thirty thirty snaps in that range. He played fairly well. I thought you know i'm not sure that he played well enough to edge his way into the fifty fifty three man roster but i definitely think he is someone. The team may look to stash on the practice squad. <hes> you already mentioned. Jane graham felt like he was already cemented. His place on the fifty three man roster as long as he's healthy justin zimmer. I felt like has played well the entire preseason he is. He is borderline. I don't know where it's gonna fall for him. Because as you mentioned there is a ton of depth now at defensive tackle the i don't think we anticipated and zimmer's played well enough enough that i think in another season he would made it but ironically this year when we weren't sure about the depth. It looks like the depth may keep him from making the roster so so it's i i'd say overall. The defense had a really really good night. <hes> you know we're we're at the point where i think the evaluation is done for the guys who are more than likely gonna make the fifty three man roster at this point. The last preseason game is going to be these guys guys fighting to audition for other teams and you know fighting to make the <hes> the practice squad and or there may be one or two positions lines left <hes> some of these guys combat before but i think i think this roster is probably set at this point. <hes> so any any last thoughts about the game from thursday night anything that you saw that you wanted to touch on before we close this out <hes>. I think we've pretty much touched on everything you know. Grace really stood out synon- <unk> the ol- kicking thing i i mean it's gonna make for you know usually that week four games of sleeper but like it's going to be pretty interesting because there's a lot of those bubble guys who have a great chance to to make the roster in you know <hes> what's going to happen with the kicking game he could come out in look great or maybe not even be on the roster auster. I mean at the time of this recording this on the roster so in no no other competition so you know it's going to be interesting game next week justa esta and then we're so close to regular season. It's exciting so yeah. I think it's the fourth preseason game is usually pretty <unk> tough to watch a and you will be watching it first hand in jacksonville and i guess what most fans will be looking forward to is i. I believe the saturday after. I think that i want to don't quote me on this. A believe saturday at four pm is when teams have to have their fifty three man roster set that said a lot of times teams will get the fifty three man roster set in still make changes in the coming weeks based staw what players get cut by other teams <hes> so even though you know next saturday the falcons may announce their fifty three man roster and say here's our team for the season and there is a better than likely chance that <hes> there may be additional shakeups and definitely on the practice squad. I think we we see <hes>. The dan quinn constantly is rotating is on the practice squad finding guys that are free agents that he likes <hes> so so i think this is this is a situation where especially with these guys who have stood out in camp for the falcons there. There are some legit competition for the roster. There's some legit competition for that practice squad and some of these guys make it picked up elsewhere and that's just the way it goes. You can't sign everybody so it's it's been fun. I'm ready for the regular season and the most you guys listening are too and you know we're. We're sort of done arguing coming over the little things. Let's get to the games at count. Let's go see minnesota. Let's give the in the season started on a on a positive note so evan. Won't you tell our listeners where they can find you got going on. Yeah you can find me on twitter. Ativan burchfield angry member to say that this time <hes> eh and <hes> yeah so during the season. I'll have a fantasy article. <hes> every friday believe just kinda previewing more league-wide what <hes> what could happen that weekend so also all have on tuesdays. I believe a brother of the week which is basically gonna detail will a player for the past week's game who isn't gonna be like matt ryan or julio jones but did like a lot for the team like a quiet quiet quiet leader whatever <hes> so like for this game <hes> it probably would have been like germain grace it would be such an easy decision probably do riley because he he really did have a good game. I don't know one of them but it's like that sort of thing so <hes> yeah but in next week's the final preseason game then we can kick off the regular season and it's <hes> exciting times falls on this year whatever so appreciate you have him yup yeah absolutely and hope to have you back consistently during the regular season. Thank you for helping me fill this gap. As for me you can find the guys on twitter at falcon w and of course weekly here on the alcohol podcast and the articles the falcons alec dot com so forever burchfield. This is dave walker. 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Falcons vs Buccaneers: Postgame podcast

The Falcoholic

53:06 min | 2 years ago

Falcons vs Buccaneers: Postgame podcast

"Dogma Hollick year and par a happy new year to you as we are about to celebrate or are celebrating the new year nail in the sky gets uploaded. Welcome to the Hollick post game podcast. I'm your host court Woodruff, and you know, New Year's new beginnings. And we are saying goodbye to a falcon season two thousand eighteen is in the books putting this on the shelf, and now swear, and we are, you know, preparing to get to a point where we can look ahead and try to be optimistic for the future. If you know me, and you know, this podcast, you know, that's the brand here. We really do try to be optimistic and try to look for that silver lining wherever we can find it. And you know, it's just one of the difficult things about a bad season as that you can kind of get a bit dismayed in the discord. But you know, shut my friends. Let's try to look ahead to the future. And we've got plenty to talk about. In that regard. And I enjoyed the course by none other than Evan burchfield of the Hollick Evan. Thank you so much for joining us and how're you doing as we transitioned into those nineteen. Thanks for having me on again, Corey doing great hope everyone has a happy new year and starts off the year. Right. And yeah, let's talk about this Alcan's in books finale. Yes. A game that they were once down seventeen zero and one which is a very non falcon thing to happen. Usually we don't have big comebacks against teams like this. But usually what happens the other way around were up by a lot. And we end up, you know, throwing the lead in the trash can. But I think that there is a lot that you can look at the scheme and the optimist about the be able to think after a really tough season finish it on a strong note. And it didn't drop them a lot in the traff rankings. So they might miss out on you guys because they were able to win this game from where they originally were. But sometimes it's hard to control that and you have to take it. How it comes so Evan? We're a couple of things you saw on Sunday that made you feel. All the mystic for the future. I think like what you said about the comeback. It's not something where used to where usually on the other end of blowing the lead, obviously. But I mean, you pretty much Saul Matt Ryan have you know, you had a pretty good game. Yet is I ever I think I read somewhere that was the first ever quarterback reception per touchdown or whatever for the falcons or in south consistory, or whatever. So that was pretty cool to see Julio was, you know, back to his normal self like he's been doing all year. So that's pretty exciting. And then he, you know, finished off the year as the with the most reception yards this season, the whole NFL. So I mean, the offense is cranking, and you know, defenses whatever, but it was the bucks and it was the final game. And it's you know, it's hard to really put a lot of stock in anything. But it was. A good. It was a good win. And I love how it ended with Matt Bryant kicking the win the game against the team that he spent you know, decent portion of his career with. Yeah. It was good ending to the season. Even though there's no playoffs or anything. It was. It was a great send off I think into twenty nineteen. Yeah. I think those are good points. You bring up Matt Bryant. And I do wanna talk about him just for a second. He's still on contract with the team next year. He was very very reliable all season. The only missed one field goal that was a belief from like fifty seven out didn't go in or not think he made that one. There was another is another long field goal where they just he just didn't have the distance on it because of his kind of his ailment with his leg. Just couldn't really get that power on there. But you know, it breaks conversation because he is, you know, interesting the point in his career where you really begin to wonder even for a kicker, you know, when is he going to call it quits? Things were Kilby forty four. When the new season starts he turns forty four on may twenty nine. So you have to kind of I think take into consideration the fact that Bryant could decide to retire. I think he may wanna come back for another year. I think he may look at this team and go, well, yeah, we didn't get to we wanted to go. But we've got a good chance of getting back next year. They make the right moves. And but then again, it's like also there's no guarantee for him. Like there is obviously no guarantee that it becomes back. They'll be able to magically go to the Super Bowl or something like they had their chance at that. And they weren't able to do it. But he has gotten the play in the Super Bowl which in and of itself is a big deal. We don't always think about that. But you know, he got to win the championship and has been able to be a part of weeper bowl contending team. He's made a lot of big kicks in his career had really great and closing moment. Inning season. That had some troubles with the late was. Hamstring was able to get that last cake, and you know, indices on a good note. But do you think you could hang up because I'm kind of wondering right now, if that might be more possible that we're considering because he has an out every year in this contract to be able to do that. So do you think that's a distinct possibility? I mean, the only way I think that we don't know the full amount of details on his injury. I mean, he was well enough to kick the last few games. So you assume he's fine or close to it. I think as long as he wants to play he's going to play. You know, like you mentioned he only missed one field goal this year. He he had twenty attempts or one tents and he made twenty of them like it's not like he's lost a step. He had his best feel percentage this year with ninety he made ninety five point two percent. And that's kicks over twenty, you know, counting ticks over twenty attempts. He he's doing, you know, usually with kickers, you get rid of them all if they start to suck if you wanna put it bluntly like he's not he's actually like he's you know, he missed them game. So it's hard to say. He's getting better. But he definitely didn't get worse as long as health is there and he wants to play. I don't see any reason why the falcons shouldn't keep him. You know, the whole Vecchio thing. It's interesting that they kept him on the roster for the last several games once Matt Bryant returned. You know, that's you know, and then on top of that we have new we'll get a new special teams coach, I don't know how much that place into the kicking game. Probably not a lot. 'cause my Brian just keeps kicking butt. So to sum it up. I think he'll be back. I think they would have put because this this is what I I'm not saying he should retire at all. But leading up to this game. Like, I was saying he he spent a good portion of his career with the buccaneers a couple of years. And that's really where you went. Okay. You know, he spent people don't realize he spends some seasons with the job. Ryan, I think he he was with the dolphins before I think there was one or two other teams, but he spent a couple of seasons what the buccaneers. And that's where people really knew who he was. And then obviously, he's been a legend in Atlanta. I think it would have been a perfect ending to go into Tampa. Like, let's pretend that was it wouldn't you felt wow. Matt Bryant, you know, he went out how he came in just a legend, you know, one game in Tampa. You know, that's that's what you would want. But the fact that nothing was said of that game before like, oh, this might be met Brian's last game. There's been no whispers of it. If you follow his wife, Melissa Brian on Twitter. She's anytime somebody's really said anything about him retiring, or whatever she's kinda put her sense in saying, you know, like he hasn't said anything about retiring. So I don't think it's going to happen because. When you have a, you know, you could say Morten Andersen or some. But in my eyes Bryant's you know, top-five picker in NFL history just based on clutch. But he's definitely without a doubt the best kicker in falcons history, my eyes, and there would have been more to it than waking up, you know, during a weekday going to work and being like, oh, do you hear Matt Bryant retired? Like, he's not he's not gonna do that. They would give him a going out party. If that makes sense, I think he's at that. He's at that level where you're going to get that that treatment, you know, and they might even say during the regular season. Like, I don't know we three or four something. And he's starting to slow down any like, you know, I think this is my last season 'cause they're going to give him that that legend treatment, and he deserves it. I don't I don't think it's going to be oh Matt Bryant retiring, and that's it. You know, breaking news. You read it on Twitter. Matt Matt Bryant's retiring, I don't think he's gonna go out like that. Yeah. I think that there is a case that can be absolutely made that he deserves more. But you know, one thing I've learned about the falcons a lot of NFL teams that they really don't tend to get sentimental, and, you know, look at Matt Bryant's contract in the way that it set up is that he can get out of it whenever he wants to. I mean, there's really no like. The team has announced every year. He has an out every year, you know, hard penalty, you can look at the bit a little bit of money if it decided to cut him, but at the same time, his cat next year is four million dollars m my get right now is that they cut the deal to kind of get him back in the building for the season that they all kind of go much differently. Am I big question is, you know, considering the fact that he did have the health issues this year and again to hold him out for a few games? You know, it wasn't a it wasn't a loss season. So we don't really think about it as much but about if it really was kinda year we bought it was gonna be and the team was not able to find a replacement in costs them or two really close games playoff standing. If you're the team, you might think. Ooh. You know, we love that Bryant. He's been there for ten years. He's a wonderful kicker concede. At least he's a wonderful kick. Her. But at the same time, we we really are kinda curious where his health is going because he did struggle with health this year. And you know, it's not like most kickers really cannot cake fifty seven field goals. You know, fifty seven yard field goals every game the same time. It's like you had the situation where you wonder exactly the money's gonna be there for him next year. You know, I mean, there's one million dollar cap it. So I mean, they're going to say about three million they cut him. But you know, if you decide to retire that money would go, obviously, he they detain would recoup it, but a hundred curious to see what can happen. I don't I think the fact that Georgia Vecchio played so well in his absence makes it more difficult position. I think they didn't have anybody obviously bring him back. He's back, but we don't have to retire. The team's gonna wanna give Vecchio the permanent job. I mean, they have very similar career trajectories. Bryant bound. Around win the NFL and other leagues for awhile before he found that kind of home in Tampa Bay. And then he came to Atlanta, obviously, made the bulk of his career made him who he really is. So sometimes kickers take time to develop a maybe that's Vecchio is gonna head to bounce around the league, really find his footing, no pun intended. And they come to land in really be the heir apparent to Bryant. Because obviously they can't carry two kickers on the roster in a season where they're gonna wanna have everyone can have to really make that push again. So every curious this will go on not to give you too much kicker talk. But I think that's a big thing will game as you wonder exactly what's going to happen with Bryant because I think that's one of the grand mysteries of the off-season. For lesser extent. Tevin Coleman have played his last game. The falcon yesterday he said a really nice into the year. You can probably tell he really is very focused on this idea of I'm about to be a free agent teams are going wanna see that. I can go out there and be a lead running back because he wants to get paid like running back. I think he will. And I think that's going to be his last game here. I will I will say to give early prediction. I think Tevin Coleman will leave Atlanta and will pursue the some of floated around the jerk McKinnon tied contract at San Francisco gave McKinnon after he left Minnesota. They're very similar situations. Coleman's dangerous player when he is used correctly. He has value as a runner as a receiver and info teams really dum value that so I don't -magine he's going to be back and then just on hardy may have played his last game without gun. He's obviously a guy who has never really etched in that third receiver role land. He probably hoped he would dozen sixteen that was gonna be his time to do that within the emergence of Taylor. Gabriel kind of put that away for a while. I think that hardy will also leave Atlanta. I think he's gonna wanna try to find a team that will give him more to do. I think he's a valuable patient guy at he can really be a factor particularly on third down. I think he can be a guy that can be a good special teams player and be that receiver. You just kinda of his clutch factor. I think to the Atlanta never really utilize properly. I think he's a better player than Atlanta's showed. But then you'll get receiving chart and it's Julio Jones Calvin Ridley new. I mean, there's not really any room for him here to be more than what he was. And you know, the team I think it's a lot more to Russell gauge in the future Martin hall. The hot mic insists on him. Imagine he'll be back. I think hardy wound up leaving after the season. And then a big another big name victim easily. You know that? Aaron t contract with go in at the beginning of the league year. And they're going to make a decision where they're gonna release him or not or try to redo deal with him that can lessons much lessons cap it because if you're paying twelve million dollars, he's a top pass rusher. The Beasley has really kind of faded into more of a rotational guy as years of gone on. So there are some big names that may be playing their last game now Grady Jarrett may be a free agent. But at the same time imagine that deal will get done before the league year starts they really can't imagine that they would like Grady hit free agency. I think that's the deal that will get done very soon, and then get guide like Bruce serve will be free agent. I imagine he'll be back. You'll also have someone like Logan Paulsen. Who you know? I don't think will be back. But I think he's been a good player for the team. I would be happy to see him return in that guys. Like Ryan Schrader in Robert offered and Brian. Pool who kind of have people wonder whether pools the tender extended to him or he'll become a free agent or maybe they might release Schrader or release offer. You know, there's just a lot that can happen. I think with the roster. But I think, you know, the only one I felt really confident in saying that don't think ten Coleman's gonna come back. Yeah. I think you're right. And I think the main reason why too is these last couple of weeks Brian Hill has really stood out. I wish they would have given him more Terry's than they did he only had twenty attempts, but he had a hundred and fifty yards off of them into games. And you know, he finished the season, obviously, he had less attempts. But he finished the season with seven point nine per carry. I mean, that's a pretty good number even with it only being twenty twenty attempts or whatever. So, you know, I imagine it'll be Freeman ITO Smith the backup, and then he'll still probably get on the field just to give free Minna breather. And then you know, if Bryant hills your third running back based on his play towards the end of the season. I think falcons are pretty good. It just at that point. It makes really no financial sense to bring home in back. I mean, I I like him. And you know, I hope he does. Well, I think he'll probably end up on a team. Like, I don't know. Maybe the jets or the colts or something one of these teams that could use his talents. But yeah, I'm pretty sure we've seen the last. I would be shocked. I would say it's probably like a ninety percent chance that Coleman's gone. I I don't I just don't see it happen. It would really shocked me compared to all the other agents. Yeah. I think that's the best way to look at it as there's no need, and it's not the I'm sure they'd like to keep him if they find the right price. But I imagine what will happen more with what happened with Adrian clayborn. I think the falcons will say, hey, we appreciate your time. Here. We think you're great falcon, here's an offer that we have. And I think his camp would say no that's enough. We're gonna see around the league. What else we can find imagined? Another team will step up and make that deal. So I think he's been a great falcon he's been really fun to watch especially in Shanahan year to such an electric unit by I feel like now he's will be better nece. Nell swear up in San Francisco to everyone McKinnon guts, I know they gave McKinnon a contract, but you know, familiarity with Cal Shanahan in McKinnon little injury there. You know, I think he'll go somewhere in definitely be good. I think the falcons will miss him less than they miss. Like you were mentioning clayborn. I think left the bigger hole in the falcons expected where Coleman leaving. I think the falcons will be fine. I don't see that. As a big issue. Getting Freeman back as long as healthy. Yeah. I think that's the best way to see. He's he he will have a good career elsewhere. If he is used properly, I think if you want him to be a guy that just runs between the tackles every single game. You're not using improperly. You know, getting him out in space getting him involved in the passing game. Like he has certain things about him. That are really really really good. But he also has limitations. I think if you don't try to coach around those limitations, you're not gonna get the best player out of him. But we'll see where does obviously team has some decisions to make some other guys. And we may have seen some final games without can uniforms. But I think we'll have some returns like, Bruce. And I think he'll be back at think that they'll be back. Yeah. He does. He really well down the stretch in house one exact guys in in the league. And you're probably going to get him. We talked about this last week where he he's been productive even with his age. He's been productive. You could argue he's been maybe the silent darkhorse MPP on the defensive line. Just because you know, I'm a big Jack. Offered fan. So he's already wanted in. My is obviously, but grew servants, you know, he he didn't really need a learning curve when he stepped in. 'cause he hasn't been with the falcons all season the raiders cut him. And then he ended up with the falcons, and he took I I can't remember who it was he passed on. I think it was the patriots. And I don't know I wanna say like the eagles, but that's probably wrong. But he took he he went to Atlanta because he he's he took the hometown discount pretty much. He wanted to go home. And he finally is in he's used to Dan Quinn. I don't imagine. He's gonna want, you know, buco bucks to remain falcon, I think they'd get a pretty friendly deal with them. So I would be he would be the free agent where I'd be. I mean, taking Grady Jared out of the question. I would be shocked if Irvine's not back with the team. Yeah. I think that's the most likely spot for him to land. I mean, he succeeded here. He's back. I don't think he's gonna wanna. Try to find a whole nother team. And I think the team will give him a fair deal. I think there's plenty of money to bring preserving that guy. I'm not really I don't think he'll get more than five million on the open market. And I imagined the Brooks read is going to be a cap casualty. That's one early prediction making who they'll try to take some of Reed's money and give it to urban to make sure these back. So I imagine that's where that's going to go. But we'll have much more later in the season about what they'll do with these offseason moves, but you know, one last thought I'll have about the Tampa Bay game. So we get into the coaching things that have been made at I think that it showed the steam still believes in the culture in still believes in the brotherhood mentality. The Quintas put in place because if I'm being very blunt here this team had nothing to play for them to come out and have such a comeback. Like, this means that they trust our coach. And I think this team has been very open vocal about their belief in Dan Quinn that they realized amp quince belief in them. I think sometimes I get Quint peg it's. Trouble when he puts way too much faith in a guy that doesn't need to be out there. And I think that's something Quinn is gonna learn more into his career as a head coaches at. That's not always the best way to do it. But you know, I really I believe in Dan Clinton. Always will. I think he's a wonderful head coach. I think he has limitations like any head coach does than I imagined that you know there. He's made one big move. We'll talk about here in a second. I think will help him tremendously and will allow him to give some other responsibilities. Elsewhere. We really good. But yeah, I think this win is it hurts her draft standing on that crazy about that. But at the same time it gets reaffirmation that this team still believes in in in the mentality. They're not falling apart. There's no problem in the locker room that in again, if you can keep that foundation in place, you can build a Super Bowl run people. That's one of the biggest things I think people miss in. What makes a team great is? They have the bond. They have that mentality that I love the guy next Google play, formerly hard. That's not just you know, just. Coachspeak? It's not just an ideal. It's it's something that fuels all the other things that makes it stronger in Atlantic and get that more cerebral aspect in the health setback in. I think they're gonna be okay again, you can never really know what's going to happen with health knock on wood. But I, but I believe in Quinn. I think that this team believes in Quinn. I think that's why you didn't see him being laid off on black Monday is because this this organization, I think knows that he's the guy lead them. But having thoughts before we hit into the big part of our conversation with the new coaching changes. You mean on the bucks game? You're not no not a whole lot. I just like I would say before I think I think it was a good way to end the season. And it's you were saying the players, you know, we mentioned it last week. What we wanted to see in the bucks game was effort. And we definitely saw because like you were saying they were losing. And they came back in one which isn't something we're used to in Atlanta. But it happened. And it was a good way to you know, left you feeling optimistic. I think definitely. So we'll see what happens. I completely agree. There's plenty. I think to be happy with going ahead while the season was quite paltry while it was a poor year in very disappointing year. But when you had disappointing years occasionally teams will want to make transitions at the coaching level on the NFL is sincerely won't be highest turnover jobs in all of really the workforce. I mean, there's just one of those things where people they just like the rotate people to get. New voices in fresh ideas in place to try to book special seasons when Super Bowls and help develop at talent to be able to achieve those things in the falcons of made some big moves they opted to keep Angwin. That's something that I'm gonna live folks expected. What happened is something? I was hoping would happen. And seems like that is exactly what has happened. But the team has fired these occasion, it's offense coordinator Marquand men wells defensive coordinator special teams, coach Keith Armstrong. So right now the team is going to be looking for two new coaches to kinda help run things because Dan Quinn has taken over as defensive coordinator. And I think this is a big plus for the falcons because it allows them to take a guy who has been really successful as defensive coordinator he called the plays in the biggest the most successful stretch. Falcons football. I've ever seen came when Dan Quinn was calling the place because ride around the end of that November. Season. A carried into the two thousand sixteen the Super Bowl year the cured in December the playoffs and during that stretch he elevated what was really not a very good defense in the one of the league's hotter. You know defenses. It was going out there and making a lot of really great plays in the competition was always fierce. But especially in that playoff run. You look at what it is the Seahawks and the Packers they completely shut off down. And it was just incredibly, you know, rewarding to watch a defense. It really had not been the stork lever. Good in terms of their doing in sixteen. Do what they were doing. And I don't think the defense has been is good sense. I know that in seventeen they actually had a good year. But some folks will tell you those numbers were inflated that they really weren't that good that if you look at the Devi away it was more middle of leak, but I think right now our may have been like twenty second or something it was really like not high at all. But you'll get what happened this year. They lost all of their communication leadership on. Offense. It's hard to coach around that. But I've always felt this. I've said this a lot that the best person to coach the bathrooms defense was gonna be Dan Quinn. This is always how it was gonna go. They've needed to get him in place to make the play calls to make this happen ever since that sixteen year. I wish that he had just taken over the place. But I think he believed a man. Well, I think you right to they most coach, but I think that you know, he'll get an opportunity. Elsewhere. I wish him all the best. But for the Atlanta Falcons, the best person to call the plays with anklet, and I have long bought that. And I'm very happy to see that they've made that same assumption themselves and have been put him back in charge of Ryan the plays. And that creates some other, you know, obstacles will have to climb in terms of running the game time management and trying to just Quinn in doing that full-time. But at the same of the same idea, I think this is the best thing on the field team. Can do I think this is where Quinn is best. Utilized in their plenty of coaches who are able to balance calling the place and running the schematics and Bing. That Quinn show that he can do that. So I think that he's got absolutely everything he needs to succeed there. But I imagine a bring somebody else end w as a really good piece up now about them bringing a game situational coach the Rams unsung similar Jedd Fisch, Sean McVay. So we'll see what happens there. But you know, how do you feel about Quinn taking over the play? Does it excite you? Or are you more reserved? I mean where you kind of thinking on this move. Yeah. I mean, while you were talking I was thinking about what what I thought. And it it was like you were taking the words, right? From my brain his best, you know in twenty sixteen as you were mentioning when he took over south is defense was crazy like they they were great until obviously, I won't dive into it. But in the Super Bowl in the second half, you know, they had probably three of the better quarterbacks in the NFL, you know, especially at that time not looking themselves in Russell Wilson Rogers. And then Brady like they weren't looking themselves. And it was perfect. So I'm out the mystic about getting back to that. I think it was a great move. I don't see any reason why he would have needed to bring somebody else in his defense. His guys, you know, this is this is what he came to Atlanta for to give us a defense. So you know, I'm up the mystic about it. But I can't I can't really add much more than I think you said. Exactly what I was thinking. So. Yeah. That's about you know, I think the best way to go forward with it is leading Quinn do this. And I'm very excited about the potential of what this has. I think that he's gonna appropriate took a more close look looking at coaching up defensive line themselves. But I imagine he's gonna get much more hands on with his team because I think he realizes that's what's going to take for him to be able to keep his job past night p like while. I think he is a really good coach. The falcons are gonna probably hit that coaching reset button after next year. Things continue not to go well in terms of the coaching. So we'll see what happens. But I think this is the move he needed to make took cement his place over the next few years. I very much open. He finds that success there. Also, I mean, the big thing everyone's talking about where we probably need to really put some good focuses the offense coordinator move, a strategic has been like go. He was here for two years. Struggled a lot in seventeen really was kind of tumultuous. This year for him getting acclimated. Showed a lot more promise in two thousand eighteen think a lot of us probably felt like he was safe to stay here after that Washington game. But not since then they really looked well on offense until that lasts three games of the year. But I think that he lost his job in those five games when they win against a lot of these really good defenses in the offense kinda shut down. If I had to lay out my idea for y think this was the right move. I wouldn't have said this in November. But I feel confident saying this now is at strategic really struggled against good Beavis. And I think the offense just from a Jekyll and Hyde almost when they had all this talent that they really struggled. You look at that stretch where it was Cleveland, Dallas New Orleans Baltimore Green Bay. And they just didn't look like they were able to move the ball barely a know that they had struggles on the line. But there's a point where they also has a lot of other talented people that were able to make moves and they didn't use. Improperly in the coaching just was not there and you can't afford. I think to win a Super Bowl or to contend for Super Bowl every time you play good defense. You can't do anything. Like if you're just hoping every week that you don't have to play talent. It's better than you. Sometimes you just have to have you know, the coaching. That's there to meet the challenge of the day. I think that was Sarkissian big problem is that he struggled against a lot of these either blight defensive mines or these just incredible rosters that Pittsburgh game where they just blitz them every play just look like they couldn't do anything to contain it. And they had devante Freeman. I game to start struggled to use Freeman and Coleman. There's there was a very interesting statistic that kinda show that he really did know how to well us about those guys. Maybe that was more of like just kinda satirical incidence. But I think you know, what is good enough for the falcons enemy. Good Nefer somebody else. I think if this were like the bills and are Qizheng was having this kind of season, you're more forgiving because there's just not a lot of talent rookie quarterback in there. There's really not a whole lot you can do. But the falcons have way too much talent to settle for just being decent offense that can be really explosive. It's bad teams. Because a lot of those take games they're putting up thirty plus points came against really bad defense again that saints game in the Mercedes, you know, been stadium earlier in the year was the only time I think that they played a really good defense in New Orleans and put up a lot of points ended this ending Washington. But Washington faded down the stretch, it's kinda confusing. You know, I think that's the game. He was very inconsistent. And when you're that inconsistent. With such a good offense. The matter with injuries are there's to me now on you can do to justify continuing to have the keys that car. I think and I think that you know, I wish him the best really do Circasian is. I think very talented coach, I think he'll be very well when back maybe I've been to college, and you know, Tennessee's got a job opening Brown coordinator, imagine, it's Moore he may land. But I don't know. I'm very curious to see where he'll go a wish him all the best. But at the same time, I think that this is the right move to the falcons right now to part ways. Yeah. I think you're right. And you know, it wasn't consistent because you know, they finished twenty seventh in total rushing yards. But then they finished fourth in total passing yards. You know? I it. There's no, you know, average there. It's just kinda like you're you're heavy passing. But you're struggling with the run. And you know, it's it's pretty much been like that for two seasons. You know, it's weird. You know, I hate to see that Ryan have to get another offense coordinator seems like it's like a something happens every two years. He's getting a new offense coordinator. But one thing I wanna say to is if you're kind of on the fence about it, you know, obviously, they talked to Matt Ryan they had. I mean, you gotta hope I'm pretty much assuming they did. Because I don't think you get rid of his offense coordinator without actually getting his opinion. And I'm sure he's used to it by now. Where whoever you know, there's been reports of Darrow Bevill or maybe kubiak or maybe they're cutter coming back, and that's somebody who met Ryan's familiar with. But they all talked to him. And maybe he was on the fence about it. I don't know what they said. But I'm often mystic about what they bring in. But you know, he he was it's hard to judge. If he was actually that good. Like if he was good if he was just average or what? Because like you were saying it's like trying to think of a good metaphor. It'd be like putting me behind the wheel of a NASCAR race car or something. It's like, yeah. I can go really fast because that's what the car does. But does that make the actual good racecar driver? You know? It's like get us on go karts, and that's one thing. But you put me in a net a NASCAR vehicle, and obviously I'm going to go fast. So it's kinda hard to judge if he had this production with like, you said the bills or something, obviously that means he's. Good. But anybody who's got Matt Ryan who's who had a nother season basically another MVP season, but because of people like Patrick Mahomes, and obviously the balconies record. He's not going to get that much credit for it. But he had another MVP type season. Julio led the league and receiving yards. Yeah. Rush. The running back game was not good at all. But the offense worked if still finished in the top ten in overall yardage. But you know, I wish in the best lot of fans where sitting there beating the drums for fire Sark. I was just kinda like whatever, you know, doesn't really matter. What I think he's probably gone and sure enough he has gone, and hopefully, they bring in somebody because I think if you know, there's another failure. If you I guess you fired offense coordinator, so it's going to be a failure. But if there's another failure offense coordinator, it's gonna be hard to see in Quin stick around. And I think Dan Quinn, like, I'm very anti-fire. Dan. Quinn. I EV we've been spoiled with the success we've had even with this season. But it was pretty much injuries. But you know, I wish the best form, and he'll probably go to college. Like you said. And hopefully, you know, maybe he'll find his way back in the NFL. But I think this was good learning experience for him personally, and which the best, and you know, we'll see what happens 'cause it sounds like Atlanta's starting interviews at least with Bevill next week. So I guess within you know, sometime within the first two weeks of January. We might have our offense coordinator, we have our defensive coordinator as you said with the Quin now, I have no idea what special teams is gonna look like if you wanna talk about that because Armstrong's with since I can remember. So it'll be interesting to see what you know is brought in there. I don't know, man. It's it's very interesting because I think when you look at Armstrong the us here pretend eleven seasons the very long time to have one job in the NFL. I think it's like had with Mike McCartney Artie in Green Bay guys just in a position for so long. You get kinda stale. Sometimes it's just good for a career to just find new opportunity and go somewhere new in trying to work with new guys able to take some of the things that you really are good at and put them to use. And I imagine what he'll do he'll find a job. He's going to be a coordinator somewhere else in the league on special teams ino- short order. But I think right now for him is just gonna be a matter of finding that right up to and he was very good here for many many years. But I think that he just kind of got to a point where he just needs to change of scenery in needs to find the new place where he can go and be able to find success. So you wish more the best. Yeah. We'll see. What happens? I'm very curious to see exactly where they'll go with the spot, and I wish. Could make a list of candidates, but I'm not really familiar with the rise in rising talents of the special teams world. But yeah, I'm very curious to see how this goes. But you talked about the coordinator potentials of like, we need to touch, you know, touch the stove on this to the feel the heat or the conversations going kubiak is the favourite gear kubiak former Bronco's head coach Texans head coach former Bronco's conference a coordinator, he's been a part of four Super Bowl winning teams. A very smart mind guy who allot of people feel is one of the better offense coordinator candidates out right now a guy that runs the Shanahan system in those at well, his great success with it feels like that's the obvious guy. But I think the only thing about two things. One would be Elway. John Elway in that way. Probably trying to convince him to stay in Denver up into coordinator, whoever coach in staff have come in after they've been Joseph or I think could be more lie. Likely is the falcons wanting to go the guy that they are familiar with. And I think that's what may give Bebel a Dera bubble the heads up because he inquisitive worked together before in Quin of kubiak have not. So I think that if they wanna go guy who they really feel like will they can have a reporter with the devil may be more likely. But I think if you're just going accomplishment that there's no question that geared Kubeck is the better die. I this is who I want them to hire really pulling for this. I feel like it's the best move of the team at he and Ryan will hit it off pretty fast. I think he is a very veteran coach very season that will have any issue transitioning in the making Ryan even better quarterback than he is now. But at the same time, you can't really put a whole lot of stock into saying it's done deal or anything, obviously. Because he does have the strong ties to the Broncos organization where he still works in the front office. And you know, Elway once the team back on track. He knows the best of the coordinators. Gonna be the guy in the building. So I'm very skeptical that this will end up happening. But in report has been very adamant to say that he is a candidate and his guy that they are going to consider. So I will hope that's where it goes. And you know, Darryl level obviously, Seattle he made a very bad mistake in the Super Bowl Seattle may be rang that play reworked, but at the same time he also was the coordinator that won the Super Bowl and kind of helped couple Dan Quinn thousand thirteen to help get them at rings. So I don't know I feel like he's he's very accomplished coordinator in south east found a lot of success working with the quarterbacks. Ryan, I think he would be a good higher and has that working relationship with Quinn? But I think right now a big thing we have to look at is, you know, trying to figure out exactly, but they're gonna do with that spot. Yeah. I think you're right. And I'll make a quick reason. Like, I guess a pro and con for each one. And why I think it could or couldn't happen. So I with back, and I'd like to get your opinion on it too. With kubiak. You already said, okay. The con is the reason why it might not happen in probably won't is. Because Elway okay. I think the pro is he's such a veteran in calling offenses, it might be too. Tempting for him. I mean, okay. You can stay in Denver. Where key case keenum's your quarterback. Philip Lindsay is good. But he's a rookie so undrafted rookie. You know, we don't know much any got injured. We don't know much about what he'll do when you're too manual Sanders. Got injured there's not a whole lot on the offense to be excited about they lost their like, I think the one in two tight ends on their team to. But hey, kubiak look. Over at the falcons, we got who we got a legendary wide receiver Julio Jones. We have the greatest quarterback in consistory. Matt Ryan, devante Freeman who should be back healthy. You know, you gotta think that might be pretty tempting a Pro Bowl caliber center in Alex Mack. You know, he I think he could have more fun with it. It's almost like, you know, your friends saying, hey, come no fence of people who have like a Toyota Camry or something. But it's like, hey wanna come drive the Toyota Camry or do you wanna go drive? The for Ari like it might be pretty tempting to with cutter. I think it'll be how much input as Matt Ryan have because I think he enjoyed having cutter. I don't know that specifically. But I'm just saying the fact that he's even mentioned as a fame, you know, there's been multiple sources or whatever online saying that cutters favorite one saying that. Kubiak like a favorite of seems like a favorite of the consensus. I guess, but it seems like cutter is like will Matt Ryan will want him there the away from it. They he's been there before maybe they don't wanna back. I don't know you'd have to ask like Arthur blank or something. So I mean, what what what's your what's your opinion on that? 'cause I mean like with several I think he's to me if I was betting, and I'm not a betting, man. But if I was I would say, it's probably bevelled because it seems like they Quinn loves to get people. He's familiar with people in that peak aero bubble. I guess you could say they're like, you know, I don't know how friendly they are with each other. But they've you know, they they're familiar with each other. And it seems like the more likely, and he's also been a different source saying he's the he's the favourite for the job. So you know, it sounds like cutter and Bev lower both favorites for the job while everyone's hoping. It's biak. But the reason I think it might not be Bevill is maybe he'll get a job somewhere else. You know, or maybe they're just touching base. But they did say he was there for training camp. So you know, I feel like he's probably the lead dog between the three. But what do you think? I'm curious exactly what they wanna do. And I think that familiarity is going to be a huge thing because I feel like they are very very aware. And Matt Ryan and very adamant to say, look it bring it rests art. That's fine. If you gotta bring in a guy that I can work with which I think prevents them from going out and getting like, you know, on a younger hot up into coordinators kinda get thrown around. Actually, they do a good job. At marrano mcginnis Ranjha learning entire new offense that might work it might not work. I mean, really gonna have to do all this all over again. I'm comfortable with where I am you seen the numbers? I'm putting up in this game. Why can't we just keep we've got and his find somebody who's better able to utilize it then I feel like, you know, the guy that is best able to do that would probably be kubiak. But at same time, it's just like can you get kubiak here or will Quin wanna work with kubiak as opposed to someone already knows or maybe better feels be the goodness game. But even though I XE the clear advantage guide really come into being run at scheme. And I imagine that they can do that keep shout for another year who can help him transition in the working with kubiak. I feel like they've worked together a lot of Houston. So it's like you feel like it's just such a perfect fit. But at the same time perfect perfection usually doesn't settle in with any NFL teams. It's hard to get all of the all of the things that you want to happen. Lineup magically. So I feel like right now there is a very tough conversation. But the team to have about you know, what they're gonna do here. And I imagine what have a couple of other candidates come open on exactly know who they'll be. But you know, I think you'll have other guys that will be interested in this job that they're gonna wanna take their time to interview the right person. But I d- lead, you know, who would know said that hey, this search Mako kinda fast. Maybe they wanna get the same settled. Now in go ahead and get started for nineteen. They get him in the Bill. They can talk about breakdown the film that happens here, you know, at the same time, they hire a guy like a cutter or you know, a babble. They may have other guys on the positional side. They wanna bring in the you'll have new coaches hired a new guys like, oh, this is a very big a huge decision, and we know three candidates right now between kubiak level cutter. Again, don't don't look past cutter because he has worked with Ryan. But three seasons I could see very easily. Ryan saying bring back dark men dirt work really well together, and I did well under him. And I know that even though we might have to change the scheme round a little bit. I know I'm gonna have to relearn everything and can take what I've learned in the Shanahan offense and put that into that to a better quarterback than when we last brand it. So we almost went to Super Bowl cutter as a coordinator. Lest we forget in two thousand twelve you know, they were claps away. Unfortunately from wanna play the ravens. So I think that all of these guys would bring good things to the table. I think it landed will get the guy that they need for this job. I you know, I feel like in our heads. We have a vision of what we want. But I think he just contrast the team to make the decision that they think is best for them at the same time. They didn't do that in two thousand seventeen with sorry. I don't think that they made the best higher than it was late in the coaching cycle. But at the same time, it's like you could have gotten someone better or could have maybe kept someone from Shannon staff. It's a difficult thing to really really look back on. But. Same time bay. No, they've gotta find the right guy. This coaching staff is dependent in this era of football is dependent on this higher going. Well, this is a major major decision. And again, I think that it's very, you know, fine to want to get this done quickly. But I hope that they take their time enough and get enough interviews in and don't just hire their first idea because I feel like they need to have those ideas challenge and really get a good, you know, group of folks in to do the interviewing so we'll see how it goes. We might know whether next time we do a podcast who the offense coordinator is. And we talk about that, of course. But right now kubiak cutter ambition or the three guys to keep your eye on all would be available for the position if it came to them, and they were able to accept it. So you know, an will follow the special teams searches. Well, again, I imagine the probably promotes on defense or put a higher leadership position in there. The kind of help can be a steward to help. Dan quinn. Kind of be like a. Code even coordinator in terms of you know, helping something other duties there on the who that would be. I'd say watch Jeff over. I think that's a guy who they really value them promoting him just enough. But at the same time remorse as experience on defense. He's in the head coach may be that they will put him back in more of a defensive role. I'm not sure, but they've got a lot of good guys in house that could help Quinn kind of lead that effort. So we'll see how it goes. I'm I'm excited to see where they go with these moves, I have my ideas of what to do. But maybe they have different ones. And I'm willing to see where the what those are. So I think that gets us. That's the conversation. That's going on around the old falcons campfire right now, you know, coordinator change is gonna look like and the big ones. So you know, all out Hollick see where we're going with it. 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The Ocho: Zeke Talk (duh) | Robert Quinn's hand | Brett Maher concern

"Nona what up world welcome in to another episode of the ocho presented to you in partnership ownership as always with s._p._f. Nations blogging the boys dot com arjo showing me of course from b._t. And from right here as we're humble host on the show it is wednesday today. Happy hump day august seven two thousand and nine thousand nine and we're back back in the normal ocho command center back in the alamo city countdown city san antone tone. Remember the alamo never forget and back door normal schedule. We didn't have episodes on monday or tuesday. I was filling in on e._s._p._n. San antonio is the blitz and with those being you know the first two days back. Things were kind of crazy. The cowboys were off monday so it kind of worked out well so it is wednesday and hope your day a has been going well so far wednesday mill the week baby making our way towards the weekend and we have a lot to discuss when it comes to the dallas cowboys specifically with regards to zucca elliott i think because that's kind of the subject that's got everybody on edge so far and again. This is wednesday august seventh so this is obviously a fluid situation so far zeke elliott has not reported to dallas cowboys training camp and hey i mean what can you do about that. What can you you say you know. There was the anderson report from e._s._p._n. On tuesday zeke was prepared potentially to miss time and the regular season and this kind of set everybody ablaze twitter was on fire after this and i asked why i mean because he's holding out right we've known that he's holding out for almost two weeks now and and so the news that he would be prepared to miss time in the regular season is in fact news. I mean like how is that. How is that new information. You know we we knew that he's obviously that's literally what he's doing right now and so the whole august sixth thing was kinda put to bed and to kind of explain explain that we wrote about this it'd be t._b. But so ziv to not report by august sixth and everybody talked about how he had to report by august sixth in order to gain an accrued season <hes> <hes> if you want to get to eventual free agency now the thing about zeke is he's on a rookie contract with the fifth year option that has already been exercised so the twenty twenty season will in fact saxby his fourth accrued season so he'll still hit free agency in two thousand twenty one. If that's ultimately what happens you know that's assuming no contract extension but now zeke elliott has to report next year so you know his cards are on the table if you will but their cards that don't have to be played for a year so oh z. could take this through the regular season if he wanted to. I mean that's that's a real possibility and i've mentioned this before. This is a non zeke point but the cowboys have to win their first three games okay and i don't you know if they are two in one. I'm not going to freak out or anything but if this team you know wants to win a super bowl and there's obviously suitable the expectations. We've heard a lot of players in a lot of people associated with the team say that that's the kind of thing they wanna do this season. They have to be three because their schedule gets really tough. The second half off basically from the game in new england which is the sunday before thanksgiving from that point on. It's it's rough sledding and it's christmas season so that's a a nice accidental no pun by by me but i mean your first three games at the giants at home on the road in washington and you get the dolphins at home even without zeke. The cowboys should conceivably win those three games. I'm not necessarily saying. I want his time but i would be fascinated to see what would happen. If zeke elliott did did not report and the cowboys were three because they should be three you know especially with zeke obviously but that would be a fascinating situation to watch unfold obviously league different people connected to the cowboys office have offered comments about this since zeke did not show up to campus almost two weeks ago and on tuesday stephen jones on one five three the fan and he talked about how the cowboys didn't want to reset the market. Excuse me he talked about how levy on bell reset the market. We've heard that the cowboys do not want to set the market when it comes to any of their players that need new contracts. There was also a report on tuesday morning that dak prescott amari cooper and zeke elliot all have contract offers from the cowboys that would put among the top five highest paid players position the trouble with that. Is you think about deck top-five paid player. That's thirty million dollars per year at minimum. That's fair right like that's that's really fair when it comes to what you're offering back prescott amari cooper tough. I've highest wide receiver. That's about sixteen seventeen million dollars on an annual average value. That's pretty fair. That's good good tomorrow. However when you talk about zeke the fifth highest paid running back from an annual average value standpoint point currently is leshan mccoy of the buffalo bills. He makes a coupla cookies over eight million dollars per year and look if you don't. I don't think that paying a running back a smart that's up to you and there's a lot of logic to support that i happen to be a little bit more. I don't think paying running back as wise but eight million dollars per year is a joke for i mean and it is i mean i understand that you may not think that that philosophy is smart but the reality is that if there is a runner okay and i think everybody will agree with this. If there is a running back who has earned a fifteen million dollar per year salary owlry it is unquestionably as ukulele and obviously there's cautioned to be you know advised here because of the todd gurley situation obviously led me on bell just got paid and the reason that people are referring to levy on bell setting the market is because he was on the market todd gurley never hit the open market so it truly was levy on bell who set the the market so to speak but i get it. I get it if you don't wanna pay that much and i think we're the arguments have come from is. I think we all agree agree. That zeke is worth that much like we all agree with that however not everybody believes it's in the best interest of the dallas cowboys to pay vat figure. It's just the business of football and that's not it's a business type quote the reality the reality is that's the business of football us. Oh we're still on zeke watch. I think something else that was really fascinating. That steven told one through the fan was that he didn't think there was any momentum that would suggest that the cowboys would get a deal done was the before the team leaves oxnard now. Their last practice in oxnard is next thursday august fifteenth so not exactly shocking to here yeah. We'd probably want to have something done in a week but we're about a month. I mean we're we're really close to approximate month away from week. One against the new york giants nights and i do find that fascinating for example that you're seeing anderson report was prepared to miss time of the regular season however nobody but he thinks it's gonna come to that it. Just you know the vibe him and i talked about this on the blitz and this is my own personal assessment of the situation the vibe i get it is that zeke wants to be there. That's that's my own vibe and you can call that optimism if you want but that's that's my vibe divide. The zeke wants to be there but this is just necessary surrey. I mean it is the business. It's zeke's best financial interest to do this and so he's playing this card. You know the way that he unfortunately unfortunately has to say unfortunately because you know he's not in practice. That's an unfortunate ramifications of all of this but that is the story that is dominating the dallas cowboys right now and if you chalk that among bad things associated with the team right now if they're really they're the cowboys. You're doing all right. I mean they really are are doing well now. Tuesday's practice did bring forth some injuries. Obviously <hes> the most notable one being robert quinn with fractured hand. Lots of reports said he's on scheduled to be back with the cowboys by a week one against you know against the new york giants. That seems seems fine. Not adiel that you're starting defensive in all likelihood is going to miss about a month work of work but if he's going to be back week one. I think everybody is going to ultimately camilli relax. The thing that is of legitimate concern brett maher okay now a year ago when i got back from oxnard one of the best interviews that i had recorded that we played here on the podcasts in fact one of the best he's ever done with. Dan bailey and i came away thinking man that that guy is so good i mean he he's a ring of honor type player. He somebody who's going to be a cowboy forever. I mean he's incredible and then obviously dan bailey got cut by the cowboys that was was one of the most surprising fifty three man roster downs we've seen in some time and brent maher replaced him and before we before you throw stones at the cowboys. Cowboys always never said okay. We're cutting. Dan bailey and brent maher is going to be the next generation kicker. No they just simply felt that it made more sense to brett maher in two thousand eighteen than it did to go with dan bailey really and if you look at the way dan bailey handed his time with the minnesota vikings kind of the correct call it really interesting so brett maher is an and has been struggling throughout training camp in oxnard the cow was do have casey redfern behind him and the name that you will hear associated with the cowboys always kicking woes from now until the moment he is either a cowboy or something else is matt bryant the longtime atlanta falcons kicker and dan look man. I mean i have focused on kicking and there were lots of times last year when because daily cut didn't make sense to me i'm fine you know being able all to admit that i was wrong and the cowboys good for them. I've looked at this. A lot and kicker is worth a lot and i i wrote something. A longtime ago about how dan bailey's shouldn't be used on touchback s- because excuse me i'll kick ass which eventually became touchback because the number of extra kicks you're having his body go through is not worth it because he is a point producer that position as silly as it sounds. I know you're rolling your eyes like dude. It's a kicker doesn't matter it does matter that position produces points. It makes the difference between games think about it. The cowboys won two games last season against the detroit. Lions and atlanta falcons off of brett maher game winning kicks in fact act. They lost a game to the washington redskins because he missed her and he claimed it off the upright so you're talking about three games in two thousand eighteen alone that came down to the foot of brent maher that position has to have something that you're overwhelmingly comfortable with and right now that is absolutely not brett maher in fact thirteen of the cowboys sixteen games last season. We're one possession possession games. They won nine of them. I mean so you know. Two of them. Were the marlins. I mentioned i mean it is at close lead. It is is a sunday after sunday of of you know neo dodging bullets. That's what it can be so often in the n._f._l. And so if you're going to be living that life and living on the edge you're kicker you gotta get a kicker and right now. I don't think anybody believes that. Brett maher is the kicker to the cowboys should roll into the season with is matt bryant that guy. I don't know no but what i do know. Is that right now. You gotta get some other guys. You gotta get somebody that you think can challenge brett maher or you gotta get somebody that is better than brent maher but that's you know that's that's not good. That's kinda like but it feels like to me is i'm really guilty of this. You know how like when your car tells you like. Oh dude it's time for an oil change and you're like i'll be fine and then like you drive five hundred miles and like every time you turn the car on its telling you need an audience. You just like it's cool man. It's cool like piven five hundred miles to happen. I once went like three thousand miles without getting an orange and thank god everything worked out but the fact remains that you should not do that and so the cowboys should not go this long without getting an oil change metaphorically speaking of course they should look into the kicking situation so that they are are not in a position with anger on their face and they don't lose a game because they don't have a good enough kicker so that's that's the situation but other than that i mean these these are small problems and i don't mean to just like freak out or freak you out and get your wednesday started off all weird by the zeke thing and i know that you know sort of concrete proof of this but the zeke's being feels like it will work out right. I think ultimately we all feel in our heart of hearts that the cowboys zeke going to work this out. Don't know how don't win but it just feels like it's gonna get done the brett maher things a little concerning that i'm honestly more concerned about the brett maher thing because <music> that has been an issue <hes> then i am the zeke elliott thing. Maybe you don't feel that way but if those are your two biggest problems with a third being that robert the queen's gonna miss the rest of camp and the preseason. He wasn't gonna play in the preseason much anyway. You do it all right. I mean those are the biggest problems you have. You're doing alright for yourself as a football team and i think that's the most important thing i wrote about that a lot during my weekend option are with the e._s._p._n. San antonio crew the the over wellman in disposition that i got from that weak is that this is a really confident really calm really focused in to <hes> to patches on the back a really driven even team. They're really focused and i know you don't want to buy that. I know it sounds like football cliche. I know it sounds cheesy but they really and truly totally are and so these little problems. You're going to have problems. It's it's football dude. You're gonna have injuries. You're going to have holdouts. You're going to have people that want to get paid. You're gonna have positions. That aren't as good as others. These are on normal training camp issues and and ultimately it feels like doug sort out. This is a coaching staff that has earned a little bit of trust if we're being honest and a front office has earned a whole heck of a lot of trust so hopefully hopefully everything works out for them we will we'll be back tomorrow. 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The Dimitroff Years: 2015

The Falcoholic

59:13 min | 4 months ago

The Dimitroff Years: 2015

"Belco hawley podcast. Official podcast falcons on the espy nation. Podcast network the state walker. Today's special podcast review of the thomas. Dmitrov years annabel things to help me with this task by special guests to join me on each of these episodes as we break down the trades. Free agent signings and of the draft picks made in dmitrov era. My guest today is on each one of our writers at alcohol dot com on none. Thanks for joining me. Of course happy to be here looking back on a off. Fantastic twenty fifteen season. This is gonna be very interesting and as you mentioned. We are diving into two thousand fifteen. Which is the first season under new head coach. Dan quinn so to set up what the season was about. Let's talk about what came into the two thousand fifteen season so obviously the two thousand fourteen season ended with a six ten season Head coach mike smith who had been with the team since two thousand eight Was fired Surprisingly i think too many people thomas dmitrov was retained. of course we are still talking about him And dan quinn came in. He was hired After a search by some committees the falcons had hired He had already. They also brought in offensive coordinator kyle shanahan. Of course many falcons fans still miss that particular coach this day and for the second year in a row the falcons would go into the draft with a pick in the top ten having finished four and twelve the year before six ten. What's your the falcons would have yet another top ten pick and of course we will talk about that in the second half. Podcast will get into the two thousand fifteen draft class but before we talk about the draft on non one to talk about. What the falcons did in free agency This was a pretty interesting lists because it wasn't just about the guys a kept it was about some of the guys that they brought in and almost as much about the guys that they let walk because obviously when a new coach comes in. It's normal for there to be a lot of turnover. I think even back when we covered dan quinn. Being hired we talked about the fact that his former head coach pete carroll when he came into the seahawks almost completely revamped the roster. They're in a very short period of time so it would not be a big surprise it. Dan quinn would do something similar. So wanna talk about some of these departures because some of them. I think we're going to have some fun talking about the first name on the list particular The first name to go for the falcons. I wanna talk about a sam baker. He was given the big contract Two thousand fourteen. The falcons drafted jake matthews and originally matthews was supposed to play right tackle but sam baker yet again got injured early on in the season. And that's when jake had to take over on the left side as a rookie M baker obviously came with a massive amount of money of the contract that he was given a with your thoughts on this former first round. Pick hitting the road in. Never playing the nfl again. I think it's it says something. That The falcons gave him that massive contract and then after they parted ways with him he never ended up playing the nfl again showing that he sam baker is just the perfect example of cognitive dissonance with thomas. Demetrius and a lot of gm's do this. But he was a demo troughs first round pick his second first round. Pick in two thousand eight. Remember the falcons got matt ryan and then dimitrov trade back into the first round to get a sam baker and sam baker was oft injured. He wasn't that great in his first few years. Certainly inaugurate enough to justify that contract and then he has twenty twelve season where he puts puts things kind of together and the entire team You know puts everything together for a thirteen and three run. And then thomas dimitrov is like see yes like. He was worth the first round pick. And then he doubles down on allegation validation instead of recognizing the sunk cost in looking at his entire career like trajectory. You look at his one season in a contract year of like you know being good. I'm not even gonna say great. He wasn't like a pro bowl. Or anything ryan gives them that terrible contract in. This is just like another one of those examples for why dimitrov shouldn't have been retained with After mike smith's got fired after twenty fourteen. Because it's like bro. That was terrible. Contract is that team was awful. Like i know. We're talking about baker right now but i remember Watching the team in week. Seventeen loss against carolina thinking to myself like these are the players on the field right now and i was putting a lot of blame on metro because of the roster that was like on the field. I know it was like a joint effort. But it wasn't just mike smith so you know when baker god It was a was a good riddance moment. But you know he loved it. He loved very very big parting gift. Allworth dead cap. Which i don't think we like ended up shutting it until like very recently. Yeah and that's I think if there's a contract that people point to that was the worst that dimitrov ever handed out. It has to be sam baker that has to be the top of the list. All right some other guys that departed. Justin blalock starting left guard for many years Ended up retiring so that left a hole of course on the offensive line. Two guys that leaving team that were drafted by dmitrov in previous years Corey peters weatherspoon both ended up signing with the cardinals We know how spoons career has turned out. Peter's is still playing and is a quality player in this league has has last longtime your thoughts on these. Two guys being Hitting the road on. I actually really wanted to resign. Peterson time he was he was very very solid. Interior defensive linemen and with weatherspoon. It's different because he was always injured yet. It's not his fault but he had his moments in twenty twelve's but in the end it's the best abilities availability and whether spoon was never available seemingly. It is funny with the cardinals They signed john abraham after dimitrov. Cut him way too soon. After twenty twelve with no plan of a you know bringing in any pass rushers in her pass rushers suffered ever since then he was like a pro bowler with the cardinals a year later. So then they're like all right. Let's let's dip back into like the falcons reserves in like what was he would also for said kept going with robert alford two so the cardinals just kept kept a close eye on dimitrov's cuts in on our defensive agents over the years it's so true some additional names will go through these pretty quickly harry. Douglas obviously drafted in two thousand eight. He ended up leaving the team signing with the titans after having a thousand yard season in two thousand thirteen with falcons robert mclane longtime nickel corner. Who i felt was one of the actually one of dmitrov better free agent signings in his time atlanta. He ended up leaving for the patriots Quizz rodgers Left the team was signed with the bears. In stephen jackson ended up being cut and Was not signed anywhere else so harry. Douglas robert mclean Quiz rodgers stephen jackson any thoughts on this list of guys ended up leading the team on the i. I always thought that. Harry douglas owed half is paycheck to matt ryan after that because like matt ryan is the one who got him paid like completely with that twenty thirteen season That's why whenever someone like argues. That matt ryan is a product of his receivers around him. It's like bro heathrow. For like forty five hundred yards in two thousand thirteen or even more than that. I forget how much it was. And he made harry douglas until a one thousand yard receiver. And then like with the titans harry. Douglas was just he was just like nowhere to be found like he was not good with the titans and then after parting with titans he's now on in on atlanta sports radio on the end of his career Yes stephen jackson. Twenty fourteen was one of those infuriating years where you knew that. Devante freeman was better than stephen jackson but the coaching staff just like kept going with the old veteran. And it's like all right were Stephen jackson is like been through the grind before like. Yeah he's been through like a massive grind as a running back that's why he's not effective anymore so it was one of those things where the jackson signing just never worked out He he was not very good was over the hill. With the falcons in those two years and he was just blocking the path of devante freeman. And we we learn in two thousand fifteen devante freemen actually was like you know it was egos even worse like when we found out in twenty fifteen. The devante freeman was a pro bowl level running back who won a lot of fantasy leagues. And you know who had just one of the best. Years as a falcons running back michael turner in two thousand eight. Yeah yep absolutely so closing out the list of guys with end up leaving. the team. Drew davis longtime wide receiver and special teamer. A bear. pascoe who i completely forgot was on the team The prior year Johnson former third round pick Offensive tackle offensive guard stayed injured way too long offensive. Tackle gabe karimi was cut. And josh wilson havi arenas and then safety dwight lowery who ended up signing with the colts. So these are the guys that left There there were more names Not really notable. But you can see. That's a pretty extensive list for the beginning of the dan. Quinn to try to rebuild this roster Guys they kept and there's just a few names here The number one on the list has to be in my mind. Kicker matt bryant who they gave a three year deal worth eight point five million In this season. Obviously i think looking back. This one was a no brainer Your thoughts on them keeping matt bryant in this season. Oh absolutely no brainer. I remember my. Brian was brought in in two thousand like november of two thousand nine. Because jason was just terrible apart absolutely fell apart and it was once specific game against the panthers where he missed two big kicks. In the falcons lost by like one point or something like that and then they went. Got my brian who was cut by the bucks. And i think he was in was the cfl or something like that. It wasn't like another league and brian dislike was glistening from the start and had this at this point he was one of the league's best kickers. And you know it's a three year deal and we saw what he ended up doing like the next three years. He was absolutely automatic. He ended up becoming The falcons all time leading scorer after a while. So that was that was a great thing when it happened very lucky signing because I always say if if everyone knew that he was gonna be that good. He would have been a free agent in november. But in the end. Odd the falcons. The falcons got their money's worth and then some map prime. Yes and i think the thing that's worth pointing out here too is matt was. He was not a young at this point. He was way past his prime supposedly but certainly have plenty of leg left in his in his career. Some of the other guys that The falcons kept wide receiver. Eric weems they signed to a two year. Two point eight million deal quarterback. tj eights completely. Forgot that he was On the team. Something about the falcons and former texans quarterback says their backups is really weird as well. You were talking about some of the tendencies of the cardinals welfare. Signing former texans quarterbacks t h one year deal worth one point five million Running back antone. Smith when you deal worth one point. Four million and safety charles godfrey one year deal one point two five million so any thoughts on some of these guys. They kept onto the team on Keep remembering anton smith in twenty fourteen. It's like every single time. This may touch the wall. He'd go for a touchdown and we five touches four touchdowns in like three games like long touchdowns like he was watching his speed and everything. In another case of mike. Smith deciding to pound the rock with us stephen jackson instead and just never utilize i like. I can't imagine what it would have been like if if kyle shanahan was here. And we had anton smith like you know in primates on smith twenty fourteen inch smith not like off injured of later on anton smith. But you know let's neither here nor there You know. Eric weems is someone that the team brought back because they were comfortable with him. he was. He was well past his prime. At this point he was a pro bowler in two thousand ten. And you know he was a he was a heckler tournament back then but then we saw you know twenty fifteen twenty sixteen years. He was a human fair catch like never never he never like did really anything to flip the field or to give the falcons a distinct advantage with the punt return game. Kind of like what we see now. Yeah yep exactly And i do want to say for for williams. He was at least incredibly good on the coverage side as well. You know he. He did sort of cut his teeth as a guy that not only fielded the kicks and punts but also on the coverage side and and did a fairly good job at that But as you know definitely past his prime at this point all right. Let's talk about some of the free agent signings because there some had forgotten about some of these names. But i will say when i went through. This list researching this podcasts. At the time. I was actually reminded that this was in my mind. A decent set of free agent signings. I think especially for the money that was given out. So let's go through some these The first one on my list tied in jacob tammy who was given a two year deal where three point two million your thoughts on tammy because i i feel like that was the the first sort of value signing that. I think actually had a really big impact on the falcons for this season. He was a big time. Contributor for the falcons Like not like. He wasn't like tony gonzales levels. But he was a great bridge the gap between tony. Gonzalez's in What we saw from austin hooper later. On after the falcons robert hooper in twenty sixteen years. He was a real good contributor to that. Super bowl team You know it was it was. This was a really solid. Signing on the falcons did some bargain shopping. I think dimitrov display was known as someone who wasn't gonna Dish out big money to free agents. He didn't. I don't think until alex mack a year later and even then that was probably because his job was a little bit on the line and because of the kyle shanahan connection of being a cleveland's offense coordinator so it was This was this was a really good signing and you know the rest of these names on the list. That was a lot of a lot of bargain bin shop in which i thought point pelican's fans come to expect and was somewhat necessary. You know obviously. The falcons became a very top heavy organization with matt ryan. Julio jones getting big contracts. But i will say i think tammy to your point was a good value signing and was not tony gonzales. But for what he was paid. You know one point six million a year. Nfl like the productivity was there Next name analyst This is the biggest contract they will hand out in two thousand fifteen season and that was to linebacker brooks reed who got a five year deal worth twenty two million. So obviously the the golden locks of brooks read or wetli people are gonna remember but he was a decent player in his time atlanta. He wasn't a game changer. Certainly wasn't the pass rusher that we hope to obey Solid against iran just a a good rotational guy your thoughts on read and and what he meant to the team in dame quinn's tenure. I mean it's when you assign a five year deal and you end up on the team for four years. It's it's a pretty good indication that you were either. You are a solid signing or that contract structure was like terrible to the point where the team couldn't get rid of you but you know in case it was the former Twenty sixteen in that playoff run. It was really that playoff run was pretty remarkable in that all of these players who were draft picks who were free agent signings like they all came together and it felt like everyone made a contribution to at least one of those two. Nfc aw wins. Between the seahawks and the packers i remember burrito to really good game against the seahawks and then a year later against the bears. We remember his like his heroics in week one That game winning sock had those up to sox not once you're dead yet. He was never like a great. Like sack guy He never really wasn't his career as career. High was his rookie year with six but in fairness read he wasn't someone you were expecting to bring in into just like fix the pass rush cost more than like four point five million dollars a year for that but it was. This was another one where you know it was it was a really it was a decent value signing a very fair contract. All around. yeah. I agree next thing unless linebacker justin durant three years. Ten point eight million. I also liked signing the falcons. Obviously they had issues at the linebacking position and he was a a solid veteran. Again he would stay with the falcons for a couple of years. your thoughts on durant of drink was just unfortunate because durant was always like oft injured like very like You know very injured player throughout his entire career. You said relatively healthy in his in his one year. With the falcons in twenty fifteen. He played thirteen games off the dion jones dropping him i think it kind of made drain a bit expendable and team opted to you know. Save the cap space with him. What sticks out most of the justin durant. I remember after he after we signed him He tweeted out along. The lines of off to eighty. Five is the worst highway alike in the entire country. Like what is this and then everyone was replying to them. They're like welcome to atlanta man. I forgot about that as so true. Oh my god yeah. He was I will say at For what we paid him. Probably a little bit too much Again with the injury history. But i felt like he did a good job in two thousand fifteen. The bridge the gap Next on the list wide receiver. Leonard henderson at the blossom. The us tiptoeing. You had stone hands and was brought an he played in washington with call shanahan one year deal worth one million. I'd liked this contract because number one. It was receiver that had experience with a offensive coordinator. Kyle shanahan Number two whether fans wanted to admit it or not the wheels had fallen off. Roddy white he was not the same receiver. He used to be In this season sort of cemented that it was such a cheap deal it was for one year one million dollars. It was just above minimum Even though hankison didn't turn out to be much of a contributor this year or or significant anyways. What were your thoughts on hankison in again. I feel like it's one of those like no risk signings dmitrov. I'm never gonna complain over a one year. One million dollar contract is because like you said it's just no risk to it at all and it was. It was like a healthy role of the dice. It was a worthy gamble. See see what we can get. You know in fairness he. He had a greg game against the giants that that season like. You know it was. Week was week to win against the giants. I think it was a week to he. Pretty much one. Is that game. I think that in of itself pretty much justified signing yeah. He played eight games. For the falcons didn't work out. I think he's lost. I saw from hankison. it was a few years ago. I think it was selling used cars at this point. Yeah his His tendency the drop passes to was a bit. That'll make you public enemy number. One with van base real quick man. We've have way too much of that over the years With with the falcons all right couple of guys tony tight. End tony miaki. He never actually took the field for the falcons. They brought him on Offensive guard slash center. Mike person three year deal where three point six million. I remember online. The beginning of the two thousand fifteen season when the falcon started five and mike person was given a ton of credit for stabilizing the center position after several years with a guys like oh you know joe holly who who ended up not even got cut in In the moving onto the bucks in yet. I think his first five games did not tell the full story of ways seizing would be But your thoughts on person. Because he i mean. He ended up being a starter. For a bit of the season It was mostly starter out of necessity. I correct me if i'm wrong. But mike person he wasn't really a center coming into that season now he was always a guard and it was one of those situations where you kind of thrust him into the center position. Just out of sheer necessity. That that's why. I don't really blame him for his struggles at yours because it was it was an unknown position for him that he had never really played like the nfl level. Now it's like our yard starting center this year but man that was the year where he had. You could tell he hadn't played it just because of all the fumbles he had. He led all non non skill position players at year with four. Fumbles in for your starting center. Fumbled the ball four times. That's ridiculously awful United he had some really an opportune fumbles to get some of the worst moments which again not also turned the fan base against him. And i think after that the team realized that with the position we can't just go. We can't just cheap out on it the way we just did again so so then that was. That was what convinced i. I'm sure the team to sign alex mack more than anything. Yeah definitely and with the the brunt of attack guys. I had center since The retirement of tom mcclure Mike person stands out as one of the ones who was the most desperate as mentioned the fact guy had not played center before. And you know to be fair those first five games. He played well. But then it really. The wheels came off after that played well in the first five games. Yeah exactly start five hundred finish eight. Something went wrong last name lists in. We're going to take a break and go into. The draft was linebacker. O'brien scofield who had a history of playing with the seahawks sudan. Quinn was very familiar with him. when you're deal worth one point seven million It was funny. He got a lot of hype. From falcons fans who just loved this guy one while he was with the team so I don't remember him doing anything particularly impressive. Atlanta's seemed like he had like one or two decent games. But your thoughts on scofield. O'brien scofield was a great boca leader on. And that's what made the fan base fall in love with him and he was a you know. I think he did the dirty bird a couple times. Everyone's like god look at him now. Got about that. And i do remember was like After we parted ways a year later the fan base was just like up in arms of all. Why are we not resigning. O'brien scofield likely. You know bring him back acting like he was dion jones or like proble player. And do remember this falcons group. I had someone asks a really good question. They said Other than being a leader in doing the dirty birds literally. What has o'brien scofield done. And i don't think anyone had like you know a legitimate answer to that. So that's where you knew. It's like all right like the fan base. The fan base gets gets gets high. Gets over hyped on some of these players very quickly. Sometimes yeah that has happened more than once for sure okay. so we've talked about free agencies. Some of the guys the falcons brought in and let go. Obviously the big talk is going to be the first draft class under new head coach. Dan quinn this is a doozy. This'll be fun to talk about before we do that. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. We're back on the falcons podcast. This is david walker. I am joined by fellow writer at the alcoholic on e. catch. We're covering the two thousand fifteen season. Under former falcons gem thomas dmitrov. We talked about free agency in the first half. Now it's time to talk about the two thousand fifteen draft class. This one is going to be fun. Obviously i wanna start off by talking about the first four or five in this draft class. Because i think we forget you know we think we remember if you will our own Failure in this draft and this was sort of a disaster in the first several picks so number one jameis winston With tampa marcus. Mariota with the titans number three dante fowler. Whose falcon with jacksonville. The reform art cooper to oakland still in the league still playing fairly well but with dallas number five brandon. Sheriff is probably the first player in this top ten that really panned out for the team that he was drafted by. And then you know. The falcons several picks later would get their shot. I wanna say we all know who the name is If you don't then you're gonna get a wake up call here just a second. I wanna say it was pretty clear. Coming in the falcons have a need at the past rush position. They had had need frankly since two thousand thirteen. When john abraham was allowed to walk or was cut. I'm sorry he was cut by the team Over the years Thomas dmitrov brought in guys like ray edwards osi umenyiora To try to fix the pass rush and it's never been good as when it was With abraham on the team so that said with the number eight pick in the first round out of clemson university. The falcons took vic beasley defensive. End pass rusher edge player odd non. Obviously we know how this is panned out at this point and i wanna point out a couple of things. So number one of the pass rushers taken in the first round dante fowler vic beasley. Let's see here Leonard williams bud. Depre- eric armstead beasley of. These guys is second in total sacks with thirty seven point five in his career so far but depre- has thirty nine point five in obviously still with pittsburgh In bud dupree twenty two. So what are your thoughts on this. Pick obviously we have hindsight now but even just looking at the pick at the time What are your thoughts on Vic beasley all. I was super happy about it at the time because he wasn't supposed to fall the eight. I think brennan sheriff getting taken by the redskins out was unexpected. Everyone thought that the redskins were probably gonna go for a pass. Rusher in may be beasley himself. It was. He was a really good player at clemson in college. And you know it's easy to look back off. That was a bust of a but at the time pass rusher was easily the biggest need on the team and probably still is all these years later announced but yeah beasley he like. I do remember i. I recall in two thousand fourteen like a year earlier Beasley had already made his name clemson and us jarring basie at this point now is talking to one of my friends now like man. It would be like fantastic. To for the falcons were to drop big beasley. But you know we're not going to be bad enough this year. We're probably gonna like you know. Make the playoffs and go on until like playoff run. And you know we won't. We won't be picking close close enough to take the top ten but you know that. That didn't pan out the way i was expecting so we were sitting at the eighth big. It was a big debate between beasley and todd. Gurley best player available. Bpa but the falcons didn't have a need running back like devante. Freeman had started coming on strong. The end of the two thousand fourteen season off into is going to be the starting running back in. You know freeman justify the faith that the team had in him by having to pro bowl season in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen. It's easier to look back and say the team should have gotten girly. Who you know. Tore the league up with the rams but vic beasley you was. He had that he had that solid. Two thousand sixteen season in solid yet. Bent asked twenty sixteen season. and i think Like we'll talk about with the second name on the list. I feel like if the if the falcons would have just finished the job against the patriots in super bowl. Fifty one we'd be looking back on this and saying all right vic beasley like you know. He didn't really last with the team after his rookie contract but it was justified. You know more so than ever because he helped the team win. The super bowl helped him get to the super bowl and win it. Even if he didn't he wasn't great in the playoffs he demanded so much tension in the playoffs. That it It opened things up for other players. The pass rushers overall on. This list weren't great bud. Dupree was the best one you mentioned. There was also also shane. Ray who ended up onto the broncos. There's lamed fast to you've flamed out. There was rainy. Gregory who at one point was like thought of as a top ten pick but then like you know the drug The drug failures ended up. Just tanking him all the way down to the cowboys like a number of runs later it was on it. Herbs are ignorant went down. He felt sixty all the way to sixty now looking at a friend. Clark sixty three actually knows a hell of a pick but i. i think i'm not mad at the vic beasley pick you know just because it's easy to talk about hindsight. I will give a lot of crowded mel kiper though because i remember he was bashing on the pick up and he was on beasley. Only has the one speed rush move and you know he has no counter moves and how he was going to like a struggle on the nfl. And you know me being a bias fan. I'm like what is melkite for. No like like maybe he should shut up But yeah he he was ended up being completely right and you know full respect to him. There's there's a reason why these guys get paid the big bucks. Yeah no kidding and in fairness very few of the first round pass rushers worked out as you mentioned. You know. bud dupree. I think the exception here Shane ray flamed out was out of the league. Two thousand eight. Obviously dante fowler were experiencing at first hand right now in honestly it wasn't until the later rounds like preston smith went in the second round Went to washington in this. Been a good player in the league Marcus golden who has thirty two and a half sacks in his career went in the second round Probably the the best pass rusher out of this class was in the third round in the hunter who was drafted by minnesota. So i i think this is a reminder that you know when it comes to the draft edge rushers in quarterbacks are can be overvalued in the first round and a lot of times you can go through an entire first round and not find the guy you know i. It's look at two quarterbacks in this class neither or with their drafting team at this point in that that is such a big Big miss of for for a those teams so Yeah i liked. The pick is well. Actually i will say in the time. I didn't think we're going to get beasley. And i was pounding the table for duprey. I thought debris was an athletic freak I thought that he could be a guy that could grow into the role over time. So yeah maybe. In hindsight i was i was happy when we got beasley. Because i was with you. I think he was gonna make it all the way to us at eight. I thought for sure another team was gonna take him but alas we ended up with him all right second round pick. This one was interesting. Because we've heard some stories now in hindsight that make this one a more interesting. I guess you could say At the number seventy three pick in the second round the falcons. I'm sorry number. Forty two pick in the second round of lsu. The falcons took jalen collins cornerback. Obviously you said it perfectly if we had won the super bowl. Two thousand sixteen. I think a lot of people would look at what collins did in particular in the end of the two thousand sixteen season and going to play offs and said he didn't work out but man he shirted workout in two thousand sixteen season. That was great instead. We're talking about this guy being a complete bust and we had heard that the falcons were looking at Landon collins the safety. Who would ultimately be taken by the giants at the top of the second round. And i don't know how much truth there is to. The story is just what we heard. we heard that the falcons were targeting a collins and then when he came off the board they were so caught off guard that they grabbed another call instead. I want. i don't want to believe it because it sounds so preposterous. And yet it's the falcons which makes me think it is a distinct possibility. That is what happened. Especially since landon. Collins was actually a very is a very very good player. Your thoughts on on on jalen collins in his time with the falcons. I i do honestly i believe fully that the was targeting landon collins just because a year later they took your neil in the first round so Also ski safeties are so important in dan quinn scheme overall so. I would not have been surprised if you're looking for safety early often but of course pass rusher trumped all all needs so that's why won't without beasley with the big but i mean yeah jalen collins he was. I think we were all a bit surprised when that was the pick in the second round. I think that was one of those. Dan quinn specials where it's like oh who like him really like i thought you know is not a bit of a reach by. He was you know. He fit all of the dan. Quinn you know. He felt the Mold as a cornerback of very tall lengthy physical guy went to lsu So you those are all things that just loves and you know like will like i briefly mentioned. He was really good in two thousand sixteen after dozen true fallen down here the point where the team would have won like the super bowl that pick would have been justified. The rasheed haeggman pick from twenty. Fourteen would have probably been justified because of the great nfc championship game. He had it was. But you know losing that game instead of instead of justifying the pick i think it soured people more on collins because he really got picked on in that super bowl game all that second half of than you know fouls in other drug tests and he ended his career getting burns in week. Four of the preseason later yeah it sort of a rough rough path for him and as you mentioned just being a knucklehead which we knew when we drafted him it was no big surprise And i think some people were pleasantly surprised at the falcons took a chance on because he had a ton of upside and we knew that the biggest question mark with him was going to be more about the mental game. Whether or not he could stay in and stay clean at the nfl level. Obviously he struggled with that even as he Had a very short career in the nfl. I think he was done after two sixteen. He hasn't been back so definitely. I think a big a big miss their next name on this list. And i wanna point out some guys in the second round right. After jalen collins houston took Banal drik mckinney Linebacker eric kendricks win a couple of picks later a obviously the falcons had a need at linebacker. Both those guys. I think would have been Excellent picks Especially since both guys are still playing in the league. Collins is not a little bit later in this round you think about the the fact. That the falcons Offensive line was still sort of patchwork You've got you know. Ali market Who went towards back end of the second like dolly marquette pet like i really liked him coming out and unfortunately he's now in the division with tampa and a obviously you mentioned earlier frank clark at the second last pick in the second round. So you know it's sometimes it's looking back on these draft classes that make some of these mrs even more painful when you realize. Oh my god we could have this guy could have the sky and you realize they with collins instead But then again. I want to say when it comes to frank clark. Every team passed on him at least once in in most teams in the league passed on him a second time before seattle grabbed him at the back and second so As you get into late around. I don't think it spare to overly criticize the team for missing on some of these guys because every team in many ways missed on these guys right third round. Pick pick number. Seventy three of indiana. The falcons took running back. Tevin coleman the one thing. I will never forget during the draft. Talk of this guy was We heard repeatedly bad scheme fit. And obviously a when you hear people say that. Don't trust that they know what they're saying because If if anything many of us were confused by this pick we thought. Hey you know. Devante freeman was sitting a year. We thought for sure he would become the starter. I think a lot of people saw tevin coleman that said oh man they're just gonna go ahead and give up on freeman and obviously that did not end up being the case and coleman really would make an impact until two thousand sixteen his two thousand fifteen was relatively quiet but whether your thoughts on picking that running back in the third round in what he ended up doing with falcons. Yeah i mean. Coleman was great In college indiana. And this felt like a full. Kyle shanahan fake. It felt like Shanahan was like all right. You guys got your like. I two round defensive players. Now let's start addressing the offense a little bit. And i think the plan was to give kevin coleman that starting job and to have devante freeman. Continue to be a backup because not first game against the eagles. Coleman had twenty carries an eye game got eighty yards. And i remember the fan. Base was just enamored with you. Know eighty yards on. Aw overall four yards per carry. Because the past two years. We had been watching gum. Stephen jackson running quick we're in quicksand so it was a A week later i remember. He had that rib injury in an devante freeman. Took over the starting job and just never looked back Freeman was just fantastic against the cowboys had three touchdowns three touchdowns against the texans and then coleman was kind of a came back to like reserve role in two thousand sixteen china and did a great job of utilizing. Both coleman an freeman as the best one two punch among running backs in the league that year yet. Yeah so this was overall a a real good pick in the third round like he called me didn't make passes rookie contract but given all that he did For the falcons in twenty sixteen in the two thousand seventeen was overall pick. I liked it and a lot of credits. Coleman who worked a ton between two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen become a better receiver and as we saw in the two thousand sixteen season. Both he and davante were incredible. Receivers out of the backfield and In particular. I remember coleman's game against the broncos in two thousand sixteen where You know they leaned on him heavily. And he i think he has a receiving touchdown that game in He had a fantastic game against a really. Really good broncos defense in that game so i love the pick a felt like again. You hear Some other guys went in the third round. The same draft class jordan hicks outside linebacker. A little bit later on Obviously a big name in this round was danielle. Hunter pass rusher out of minnesota and again you know fifty four and a half sacks over his career has obviously been a really really good. Pass rusher in the nfl. I just wanted to say every team passed on him twice. He made it all way to third rail So i don't want to give the falcons too much crap. In honestly. coleman was a pick at that point as well so I like it. And i felt like even in hindsight we can look back in agree. This is you know. Pretty pretty solid. Pick for thomas metro okay. Fourth round number one. Zero seven out of issue falcons took wide receiver. Justin hardy hardy. Was dave coates best friend. Yeah i we talked earlier about harry. Douglas moving on from the team in in going to the titans justin hartley felt like a replacement for that. Obviously julio jones Roddy white were still on the team. And you know a lot of people thought that hardy could come in and be a just a pure slot receiver Great hands absolutely phenomenal. And the massive hands. If i remember right from the common and just measured like enormous hands He was quick not fast but he seemed to be a decent receiver in in obviously was incredibly productive college. So what are your thoughts on justin hardy and what he ended up doing with the team like he was number four wide receiver. You know with the team. Great hands I said If you were to combine his hands with maybe All of calvin ridley tools for example. You'd have may be the greatest wide receiver in the league. The kidding on by Overall like you know shorts fourth-rounder it ended up. Being kind of a waste of before under like hardy. Never really did anything with the team you know. He likes the moments here and there. But you know he did come into Did come into the nfl. Having all one via the birth worth trophy for outstanding walk on he had think the fbi division one record for most receptions already see you so you know was a college legend but a doesn't always translate into the nfl. Yeah exactly all right. Some other guys that went in the fourth round that went after a hearty jamison crowder went to picks before hardy. So obviously can't nail the falcons for that all the way down at number one twenty four alexander. Who honestly i think it's probably overrated linebacker. But it's still a decent player still in the league but probably the most notable will be shaq mason At number one thirty one who is a center in still playing league in. Oh yeah. Let's not forget. Syria smith who was a pass rusher has forty four and a half sacks So again it sort of an upside down draft class for pass rushers where you've got guys in the third fourth round who have more More combined sacks in the guys in the first round So again just shows you sort of erotic nature of the nfl in where some of these guys end up delivering all right next pick. This one's gonna make us happy. The falcons actually traded up in the fifth realm to move up to number one thirty seven and out of clemson the second player. They would take clemson defensive. Tackle greg jarrett. I think we can look at The fifth round here and looks to fund digs would go at number one forty six. He is a phenomenal receiver. Obviously not still not when not minnesota anymore but Great pick their. Maybe you know you've got tyler davidson. Who has taken a little bit later. Obviously he's with the falcons and is is a decent interior player but bar. None grady jarrett. Who went at the very first pick and the for fifth round one thirty seven. He is the best player out of this fifth round and probably one of the best defensive player's out of this entire draft. So what are your thoughts on the falcons in particular dmitrov making the move moving up to that number that top. Pick in the fifth round to grab greg. Jarrett goes the greatest drop Troughs tenure all looking at everything. You know obviously. There was matt ryan julio jones but when you take value into consideration of a great job being a fifth rounder like matt ryan was the third overall pay julio jones you had to trade pretty much entire drop cloths to move up. Get him at six. But jared was you know in the fifth round in it was unacceptable. Even at the time at the time for jared to fall to the fifth round like you was super productive in in clemson in a fantastic college player in the only real knock on him was that he was short. He was like six feet tall That was kind of a ridiculous thing for you. Know a player to get knocked so much from the drop. All the to the fifth round like jared should have been a second second rounder probably given like everything off taking everything into consideration. The you know it's The falcons gain they moved up. I remember you know. He's also a toggle son so it was. You know it was. It was a great moment. Jessie tuggle announced the pick and he immediately got a lot of sports from the fan base of the so i. I wonder where. The where where jared goes. If there's like a full redraft twenty fifteen class like you know how top of the second if not in the first easily doll i mean like i thinking. Oh no i'm thinking more like he'd be top ten like ed this entire drive classmate like i mean if there's a redraft like right now like today He was you know fanta and this is one of those where you know. We've gone through each round and we're like. Oh while the falcons could have also gotten this guy who's a better pick. Who would have been. Better peg the falcons could have gotten this guy. Notes hindsight twenty twenty. But this is the pick where the falcons got him and this is other teams being like well. Yeah like a seattle. Yeah we got trae pool. But we could have gotten grady jared Break got john feliciano but we have got dirty or you know. The reagan got allen L. and dollars could have been jerry so it was. It was one of those where this one is. full like. full-on hit. There is no player after him that you would have rather had. Yeah in. I scanned through this draft class. When i was like oh man Especially from this point forward as you go through the six round and into the seventh round there is just no one Maybe maybe trent brown in the seventh round guard with the central cisco but that's it and Otherwise like grady jarrett was the best pick honestly for the remainder of the draft easily. And as you mentioned probably would be a top ten pick if you re drafted this entire class so and rightfully so he's been one of the best interior pass rushers in the nfl Since since he came into the league and who can forget who can forget his performance in the super bowl where he just absolutely was a destroying the patriots offensive line handedly It is a shame that we have not paired him with any other guys in that right now even this two thousand and twenty season. It's literally grady jarrett and a bunch of dudes so sad but hopefully hopefully the next coaching staff next gm will address that finally finally close out the draft Just two last names both taken in the seventh round. Both of these guys ultimately wouldn't do much in league number two twenty five out of eastern washington offensive lineman jack rogers and that new number two forty nine out of san jose state safety slash corner a keen king near these guys. Worked out with the falcons or with any other team in. Its the seventh round on hammer. Too much on these guys So with that on non. We've gone through free agency. We've gone through the draft. Why don't you give me your great if you will for. What dmitrov did the free agency what he did. In the draft and ultimately the job differ the two thousand fifteen season it was. It was a pretty solid offseason overall. I'd probably give it Maybe like a b minus Just because none like you got. You got some nice contributors. You didn't really Wait let let me let me Redo let's make it a solid. Be not to be minus over. Just because grady jarrett was just that good of a pick you know he was like a a game changer. But you know nobody else really like in free agency. You didn't really get any any real game changers You know in the drop vic beasley was was solid for year. But you know that's a top ten. Pick where he didn't make it past his rookie contract. you know. i know we talked about like in the moment but now that we have the gift of hindsight beasley wasn't like you know fantastic. Pick collins was a bust. Coleman was solid jarrett was really good. But you know there was a lot of foundational pieces here Which resulted in that. Super bowl like a lot of a lot of good contributors solid. You know with the super bowl. Of course. we know about a freeman. We know about matt ryan jones. There were a lot of these guys who were worker bees so to speak and in helping the team get to that point and i feel like again had we won the super bowl. We'd be looking at this draft class this overall free agency in a different light because we'd be like oh well jalen collins had great twenty sixteen in we probably don't win the super bowl without like him stepping up and Yeah stepping into it. So you know that's that's a shame but overall that's just how it goes without with evaluating the past. So this was it was all in. We saw grady. Jared to to show for it at this point. And he's been he's been absolutely fantastic. So i this wasn't twenty twelve. You know at the twenty thirteen off season at all so this was. This was one of demetrius better. I know better off seasons. Yeah i would tend to agree in obviously is the precursor to what would i think ultimately his best offseason in two thousand sixteen But he did solid work in this one and again i feel like vic beasley. Obviously we can pick now but at the time it made a ton of sense. He was a consensus. You know top. Pass rusher in this draft class and jalen collins. Lot of people thought he was going to go in the first round so he was a player that many people thought. Oh hey the falcons may have gotten some value here. Even if he didn't work out. And as you mentioned. I think the narrative changes Based on the super bowl and obviously that two thousand sixteen season ended with so much pain than it's hard to see what these guys did in that season in a positive light. Even though both guys had a relatively good to sixteen season. I do feel like i feel like be as the right grade. Greg jarrett is you know. The he's a franchise player and it's hard to find those when you find one in the fifth round. That's a big big win. And i liked the free agent signings i liked tammy i liked brooks read You know. I felt like they made some sensible moves and didn't overspend in free agency in completely with and the guys that they did spend on. It wasn't a lot of money that was lost. So you know. The cap wasn't devastated by like a sam baker type contract dante fowler. Yeah we're dante exactly exactly like dante. Fowler contract So this was. I think more reserved but successful off caesar a season for former. Jim thomas dmitrov so with that. Thank you for joining me on this. Podcast recapping the two thousand. Fifteen season under thomas dmitrov. Won't you tell our listeners. Where can find you what you have going on on you can find me at say would way on twitter. That's a my social media of choice and you know other than that. I'll be breaking down the off season at falco hollick No dropped season Back into it now. It's swallowed the season's already pretty much over at this point You know feels like just yesterday The nfl was announcing that we were gonna play and you know times just flying so you know stick with the fella golic as as a one stop shop. For all of your falcons news and information. Everyone does a fantastic job absolutely again. Thank you for. Join me on this podcast on. We're going to have you back on soon as we cover some different topics As we head into the offseason alcan's s from you guys. You can find me on twitter alcoholic d. w updates podcast hallways pod and of course our articles. Daily at the falcons dot com so for unknown david walker. Thank you guys for listening and we will be covering the two thousand sixteen season varies. Come back for that review. Thanks for talking to you next.

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Falcons bye week: Thoughts on Giants win, mid-year review

"Ladies and gentlemen, after a personal by week that we were not here last week. Sorry about that. I promise I'll be with you every week from here on out which might sound like a not so good thing to some of you. But some of you who've nice enough to enjoy my my voice. I appreciate it. Welcome to the post game podcast. My name is Corey Woodruff as you. Well know by now. I've got a good guest today. I think he's a friend of mine Alcan's fan UGA bulldog, and a noted physicist one of those isn't through thanks that you go to Georgia. He's a guy that you guys know from the Twitter sphere have very important member of our family famous. Gabriel Gonzalez gave thanks for coming on giddy. Up. Gabriel glad to have you on show me to do this for a while. And we finally made it. I'm so glad to be on man. Finally, I feel like it's been a long time coming, but I'm glad to finally be here. Yes. You briefly wrote for me at rise a breeder? And now you were podcasting me with the hall. Ick. 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And then they won the by week by not playing so three three weeks as far as I'm concerned. But no, they took down the New York football giants. There's another one of those games were somehow it managed to go to the last minute, which is unreal. Unbelievable. But that's the world we live in. Now. You know, that's the that's the plight that we've taken upon ourselves to cheer for this team and this season of their season. I guess you could say I guess I'm trying to put words together. But. We've talked. We've talked about exactly what this year has been like. But again, it's just nice to see a win every now, and again, even if it's against a bad team, and it's still close way closer than it ever should have been at this town of insulate healthy. But you know, you know, if you can come back on the last week, man, what were your thoughts about the way? The team looked kind of what you're able to take away from could be seen at some folks. As a, hey, maybe they're getting back on track or it could be seen by other folks. Maybe me, maybe maybe not quite as much as you think. I know we discussed it a little bit pre show. But like I was saying disdainful at least not reflective of what the rest of the season has been like, I mean, not Ryan continues to be you know, Matt Ryan reflecting his twenty sixteen MVP season this year. But the defense they came out to play when I say defense run defense did for sure which we've been torn up by lots of other teams. Whereas this week we stopped a saquon Barkley who is at in. My is a top three running back in the league already. We did. So a little bit to show we somehow couldn't force a turnover on ally. Manning, I believe which ally manning again, not a great quarterback. But, but yeah, I it felt like a role reversal sort of because we've been seeing lots of thirty thirty five point games from the falcons milley scored the final twenty three right? It felt more of a defensive steadfast than off. Offensive explosion. Like, we usually get to see. Yeah. I think those are really good points. Man. I think that's one of the difficult things about this season is like they'll do somethings some weeks that are improvements and what they've done before. But then like a new problem. We'll just open up, and you just kind of like, oh, this why why is this happening the way that it is? But I think just what ha what happens when you have every week. There's a new injury every week. There's a new problem every week something tends to get a little bit better. Some things kinda fall back in the way that they were right? Like this week. People just have off weeks Robert offer who's had a really good season. Just completely didn't show up last Monday and just have an awful night, which is just very unaccustomed to where he is where he is a player. But again, that's absolutely, Molly. That's just that's what happens some weeks are just some weeks. You're good players have an have an off week. Maybe they didn't get enough rest that gives well good of a practice. I want to will sore in wait. It doesn't show up injury report. Maybe they just have specific problem with the specific player or the specific scheme. You just have to really account for those types of things. And even when the great teams have that happened. There's just so many other things working for them the typically cover that up. I think this week or last week. I should say Atlanta great job with Arkley. And I'm guessing for Quinn. That was the main thing he focused on all week. But the problem was is easily manning almost like four hundred five hundred yards. One hundred and Odal Beckham and sterling shepherd just went off. And it's just like an Evans had a pretty game. You're just kind of like, oh, yeah. They're those other guys. Because even if the giants are bad this still have a lot of weapons, and that's one thing. If you go talent versus talent, the falcons are gonna lose that right now with the way this defense is built because this thing was blood in the defensive line from the Geico. Okay. The group that they put together in the offseason was not good enough. But I think if the defensive incompletely healthy alive that would have been covered up with the play of the Jones and Neil Ricardo Allen, those guys were gone. Okay. You take away. Basically, I call it the triangle of the falcons defense and communication in my physicality and running the scheme you took away that triangle input guys there that were not used those roles. I mean, obviously, the only one that has really stepped up and has been playing even semi. Well, is the Monte Casey boy illu I'm into himself a little bit didn't. Is beginning to play better. But again, the fact that he's even able to start for being two thousand eighteen sixth-round graphic isn't enough self pretty incredible. Like the fact that he's way more than just a special teams guy point in his NFL career. It's pretty fantastic. And you know, you look at Jordan Richards, or whoever they decide to play strong safety. They're not getting any production. They're not getting any coverage driving basically that be an open part of the field. And again, no Jordan about been good. He's been pretty bad. I don't think he's like the worst drunk safety in the NFL. I think he's actually kind of a smart player. The dish doesn't doesn't at times at the physicality or the the skill to match. What he sees? I think quiet Landau are the play him so much. They knew what he brought to the wings medically and thought he could maybe help with the communication standpoint. But the same time if he struggle against guys out talent him than it really doesn't matter. If he's able to see what he means to do. So I think one of the difficult parts with the way the Stevens is built because obviously, you know, they've been giving pays greens is you're having him. Run more communication recently. I thought that the defense last week was good at it was as good as it has been all season long fans. Maybe that Carolina game for like two quarter. Right. But like at the no, yeah, I wholeheartedly at the same time this almost let ally. Manning lose basically way out of the league. No offense to him like in his thirties happens. They almost let him have four hundred passing yards. Okay. In a lot of that was not great offered him play. Well, wasn't it was because I think true fans have been pretty good all year. And you know, he's not you know, he's not a top five corner. But I think he's been a top ten in corner. I think he's still has that level of good which which is where he's always been. But no, I think this game. If you look at it just from the defensive standpoint like they did some things pretty well. They did some things horribly. And that's why I think they were able to get some stops at some point. And then just completely fall apart is the second they go into prevent defense the second. They just played lead the clock and run the lead teams. Just run all over them and score points. I think that's Dan Quinn being a pretty, you know, he's he's not relying again we've seen him go for these insane field goals. We'll talk about the offense and that kind of production standpoint from the points. We've seen kick these long long field goals standpoint because he doesn't trust his defense right now. And that's saying a lot for a guy who was so trusting of his general team. And it's so trusting the talent in house when they haven't really been willing to bring guys in like, we kind of thought they may be should have with names like free. So I think right now with this defense, particularly you're looking at a team that really is just doing the best that they can't considering the circumstances. They should have done more defensive line their planned in work. Veasley didn't really come back. Like, we all hoped. You would he's been really really really mediocre this year, not necessarily bad, but just very inconsistent. And that's a really tough part to have when you're pass rusher is not getting the rents. Do fresher though, I don't know. Like, what do you think this defense needs to what's realistic for this defense going forward realistic goal for them to do with the people that have? I mean, that's pens on the mindset of what Dan Quinn believes the season's going to turn into. Because if if it's a case where you know, we're still in the playoff into were still trying to try to get a one of those wildcards spots than this defense is going forward were, you know, going to keep going the way we have we're gonna keep going having that Ben don't break mentality. Even the we've seen break more time, some bent. That's how it's gonna go. If you know the next couple of games, don't go away. You know, we don't make the playoffs. I would like to see the defense or playing a few or younger guys like to see all Versi of the field more demonic as e in all of our younger guys. I mean, we've seen daydream synon-. He's being he's playing few of snaps for game. But he's been amazing. Those few snap amazing bit of stretch. But he's been pretty darn good. So if that's the case I'd like to see us put in our young guys get to know our system. Lot more on the field. But other otherwise, you know, if we're trying to make that playoff run. It's just gonna continue being the way I think you're exactly right. I think that there's going to be a point without Koons realize what's capable and what's not capable. And when they realize what's not capable what they need to do is. Right. You give these young guys more reps. And I think they need to play all a lot more because. He's gonna be good because you know, corners take time thousand's got really lucky when this winter came out so hot in two thousand thirteen it was able to become right away a really good corner. But like Robert offered a lot alums early in his career. It took him a long time to figure out the way he needed to play. Like, it really was not until maybe you're three when he really became exactly what the team needed him to be. And he's continued to get better. Once Marquand Manuel got there was able to work with secondary bit more again like he struggled withholding with Oliver. He's just learning to get caught up with the speed of the game takes time that just doesn't happen overnight particularly with Cornerbacks because they're having to deal with these receivers that are much more recipes and much more talented and much more capable than what they're used to in college and the game is much faster. And when you're a cornerback, you don't automatically get in touch with that right away. You've done in Miami this year who in the world was in Howard before the season is a lot. Doc down core. But he really wasn't a whole lot because he had to take time to get used to the game that is very common at that position. So I think the team needs to Oliver a bit more credit as time goes on. And they begin to realize what this year's capable of. And give him more wrestling. That's a great point. And I liked it. They're giving a good run. He's obviously going to be a good player for them like that Lou getting some more reps because they make give him that weeks job in two thousand nineteen. I think Duke Riley has been much better. And I think he would be better if the on Jones Ron field. So I still think there is a lot of hope for Duke Riley. He obviously has games where he struggles mightily. But I think that is because he is just one of those guys that needs time to get used to the speed of the game. I think for do this is much rookie year as it is for anybody else. Because last season was just a year where he really did struggle. He missed a month. They bench Tim at times. He just really is taken him a long time. But I think that's also a point of conversation. That we have to have some of these players where it's kinda like you really need to give some of these guys a lot more time that you are because if you don't give guys at least at least three years three or four to begin to kind of come into themselves, then you're gonna miss out. And again, the falcons are not gonna probably or something he's gonna be on the team. He's a really good. Reserve doesn't start. But I think this the rest of this year big for him in terms of well, they have been playing time. He's been not getting as many reps. The teams playing a bit more success that doesn't bode well for him in the interim. I think he just needs continue to grind it out. I think the team would still be interested to see what he looks like when that defense is what they want it to be. So as we close our defensive conversation. You know, I think that they're a CD fence C minus defense. I don't think it's just like a nightmare. Adding it's going to get a lot better in comparison to like what were they were like week four week five where it was just like an open door. I mean, the people are going to get more comfortable, I think tack is going to continue to play. Well, he's been really good. This year has been one of the better defensive ends, which is really exciting. If you think that they may added another defensive end the draft picks ear inn kinda have it be top fifteen pick. Which is where I think the phone. I think there's enough excitement with this unit in the future. But I also think this unit would have been really good this year, if the triangle was here. Okay. If you had the on the I can't Ricardo so it just stinks. And there's nothing you can do about it until those guys get healthy. So let's get offense. If I you know, let's whites if you don't mind. This is really good this year, and it's been incredibly unexpected. And it's also been really good with not great offensive line play. So, you know, from like they were in two thousand seventeen to where they are. Now. Like, what do you think is been that shift to allow them to continue to play the level that they are? Like looking what's happening on the field with you know, our offense line. Both of our guards are out for the season. You know, we're starting backups now coming into this next week you'd expect the offense to regress at least a little bit of. But I in my opinion, the biggest factor that's changed for the offense as being a Calvin Ridley, I know after after the draft Dan was talking about how Sark wanted to get his guy. He was saying that this is the guy that's gonna help us and looks like he did. I remember draft night. I was disappointed. We took our we didn't think that that a wide receiver something we particularly needed but coming into the season knowing what I do know now release been lifesaver. He's he's been great all over the field. He's in excellent route runner he feels very mature for for being a rookie. And he just payers so well out there with Julio, and and Sindhu and Matt ROY. Ryan, especially so I think definitely edition of him as been great. And then with devante Freeman being down a ITO Smith coming in and taking up the Rb to a snaps. That's been a another key factor. It Will Smith has been you know, so great this season. It's been insane. Seeing him in those open the question down line with with. You know, devante fruit future seven Coleman's future. How that's gonna work out. But right now with the way this offense is, you know, the two rookies ITO Smith end end. Kevin Ridley Dave just, you know, been probably the biggest factors that have helped us solve a honest like Calvin Ridley has been so good. And he has been so perfect for what Sarkissian I think is most comfortable with calling whatever he does is helping Sarthe thrive, and I really feel like, and I mean this sincerely if they had not picked Calvin Ridley, and they had taken like Tatum, Brian. We would not be seeing this kind of an offense. It was a brilliant move by Thomas to meet Ross to get this guy. On the system because I think he knew deep down this is Sark wanted. This is who start felt would be most comfortable in running this offense with because these two guys were together at Alabama Sarkissian was familiar with Calvin released good at so he went to go get a guy who could be true number two receiver unless the new to play more of that three role where I think he is best suited, and you know, at least in this current version of the game and really just thrive. I- ridley's been great is he might be another some quarterbacks that may knock him out of it because it's more flashy position. But I think he's the non quarterback offense a player of the year. I fall I mean. Like, a voice take is just so rare to see a falcons rookie do this. And he's really the best falcons rookie. Maybe since Julio Jones because you know, obviously Kanter Neal had a really good rookie year and Jake Matthews was okay year desma fund had early year. But I think that Calvin Ridley is probably the best just overall rookie. They've had since early was in town because he's doing a lot of what happened when the got here in eleven you know, he really began to kind of pop in ways we have not seen. And I think that where he is so good as he's just technician. You just watch the way he runs washed away. He does his routes. You just outworked people in the field. You know, he he gets open. He knows that. Contessa catches are not his strength. See? No. He does. He doesn't make contested catches. He just runs the guy where it really helps able to go out there and get the ball. But you know, you look at what the against the giants look with done I'll season they've just been really really good at. Just getting yardage getting points the red zone offense. The play calling has been much better in the red zone occasions. Getting everybody involved Logan Paulsen is making touchdown catches. And you know that this often make being good again when we can say that the blocking titan is getting touchdown catches. And again, I think. Duet. Wave Corey do you understand though, the that Julio Jones has not caught a senior touchdown pass this season. Get. So that must be that most union that you know, Sarkis everything will use terrible, everyone Hansel football. You know, I think that conversation is absolutely worth having because it is a very odd statistic that he's getting these kinds of yards in is not necessarily getting kinds of touchdowns. You know, like. Agree. Yeah. He's he's for you to two thousand dollars zero tuck insane it like I can't I can't describe it like even even running backs who who are more known for the receiving ability. They get touchdowns. Like, it's it's I I don't I like, I just don't know how it's not happening especially with someone of his knock on in. It's just it's just mind boggling, I my only right now. And I don't know if this is right. My feary is that Sarkissian thrives when he's able to use Julio a decoy together. People open. I think that Julio is kind of his key to unlocking touchdowns when he uses Julio as a guy who can bracket coverage. I really think that's it. I think that when they're in the red zone. He puts Julio out there and doesn't though to him any allows the coverage to go somewhere else and get somebody else open. I think that's the key. I think that's what he found out is that the only way. Yeah. I'm gonna touchdowns as if I don't force the bald Julio Jones. Like, you know, we have I think that maybe that's it. No. I agree with to a point. It's been said for many seasons that oh the reason that Julia doesn't get as many touchdowns say you're into new Browns. Odell Beckham of the league is because he's, you know, always still covered or he's used as a decoy which in part is very much. A lot of defensive note defenses. No that Julio is the biggest threat on the field adult times that being said, however, there's been many many times many many might be an exaggeration. But there's been quite a few times this season. I've seen where let's say a in Calvin release three touchdown game. Where he was lighting it up the defense put a linebacker on Julio Jones a linebacker. That's disrespect when you think, you know. Maybe Matt Ryan season may be Steve's are Qizheng sees it. But then nothing is done to say like, oh, wait, you know, there's a linebacker on one of the best wide receivers in league. Maybe let's change up display or next couple plays to get him. Open. Get one of those speaks closest place to get Julio for you know, twenty thirty forty or touchdown. And it's not like Matt Ryan can't depot we just saw Marvin halls as Ingles at forty touchdown of the other night. It's an Julio is significantly bitter bigger go then. Don't significantly vineyard. That's Marvin Holland taking that play. But no man, that's a really good point. Because I think that that's kinda the coverall answer that I've been thinking, but again at the same time like maybe there are some opportunities where the times are not converting. Maybe they just need to be pretty simple. Just go to Julio. They're making the place happen and they're getting the production. But I'd like to see them. Get more involved on the road in the red zone because Pittsburgh in Philadelphia, which somehow are the only to read their own to on the road this year if only played on the road twice, which means they have a lot of road games left on the schedule. So which could get kind of ugly, but that's where they're not getting as much red zone production. And I know obviously one of those week one and they were using Julio very frequently in the red zone and finding success and again against Pittsburgh. They really were having trouble getting down the field with the pass rush. But I think that going down the line teams might get a little more wise to these ideas. Channa Han knew that there were times he just had to get Halil open and just make those explosive plays. I think if start getting more comfortable he'll begin to figure that out more. But I'm really happy with this offense right now the line is going to struggle for the rest of the year. Jake Mathews has been the holy consistent player smack has been good. He's not been great where we normally see him. But he's been good. He should good center. He's still does his job pretty well. But he's getting older they should have like. Getting a little older we knew this coming 'cause we signed him when he was over thirty. And that's okay. He's been really great addition for them. Obviously really added some stability unit in that position. Ryan traitors, not been quite as good this year. But again, you talking a guy who's on getting close to thirty you know, an offensive tackles sin play pretty long time. But they're just points. Guys. Kind of take steps up. Take steps down trader has not been fitted this year. Now, you've got your to starting guards that are now out in the second half season Evie laboratory was lost its timber in Brandon Fujiko who was lost Monday. So do you think that Wests and Arlen they're going gonna be enough for them for the rest of the year? Do you think that's going to be the playoffs where they ran with combo just didn't work? Well. I sure hope it works at the end of last season. We didn't see too great of things. I'll be like we were talking earlier are, you know, younger guys. It's gonna take a minute for them to get Justice to the league in in in come out and be good, especially on team as talented as the falcons that being said, I you know, it's been a long time. I hope they can at least be they don't have to be amazing. But it as long as they are functional then I shouldn't. I don't believe that the falcons offense. Where to be a good way to be. I think that's a good place to be as I do your suits terminology here. No, I think that's fair because like. And is a little older, but it's still going to time to get used to it. And he's actually been really good in reserve like he's a really good pass protector. He's a pretty solid run. Blocker is just when he's in there for a lengthy amount of time. He begins to kind of win the mortar where you would kind of hope he wouldn't go past. But maybe he's you know, figure that out and it's gonna get a little bit better. So maybe he will be pretty solid. West is west I think west has been better this year. West is always gonna have the things he's great at having this just because the the level of quality in a level of his draft positioning, that's kind of determined. You know, the kind of player he'll be he was picked for a reason. But again, I think he can be fine. Like, I was I was kind of a point where I was kind of like this offense can do this with us at left guard. Maybe when Andy leaves they can just run with them there and just be okay with this call. But again at the same time the offensive line has been really disappointing this year outside Jake Matthews who's having his best year. Pro Matt Ryan really does not get much pressure. Coming off at left side. It's really mainly for the right or coming from the interior. You know, Dallas Jacobs playing up to that contract is playing really well, that's incredibly exciting to see because every great team needs a great left tackle, or at least a good left tackle on. It's really hard to win in the NFL. If you don't have your blindside protected, but we'll see where it goes. So we've kind of we've talked about the offense the defense. Let's just been a little bit of time talking about this kicking position. Because obviously, we love the money man will never get old here. Giorgio tha Vecchio was outstanding in that giant's game for guy that just gotten signed is the most successful kicker in the NFL since I guess the nineteen sixties to just come off come off being a free agent in sang with team hitting those kinds of Phil goals. I think the team has not cut him for a very specific reason, which is because they got him on contract in two thousand nineteen right now it's a two year deal with Matt Bryant ailing and him being forty three and kicking fifty yard or in hurry his hamstring. We think. He'll be back this week. We don't know that for sure I think the fact that he's not that the fact that the tobacco villain the roster indicates for sure it is status doubt this week. But also at the same time. It's like the falcons you had this guy come out really, really good. Like, he does a really good job as a proven kicker and your other kicker is in his mid forties. Almost what do you do there? I mean, do you let money go earlier than anticipated you run with tha Vecchio? I mean, do you let to ECU finish the season put that Bryant on our if things are specially are not going the way that you would hope in see if he could really be your future because again, the kicking in the NFL is really bad unless you're really good at it. I know that sounds like the most obvious statement. But it's like if you're not good at kicking. If you are good at kicking great teams. Don't have that kickers is one thing the constant. If you have a good kicker typically means there's a good team. Team that new to get back with kicker. So tha Vecchio could be that guy for the next ten fifteen years. You really think -lanta as much Matt Brian has been crucial to this franchise or you let the money man, go out the way he wants to let Vecchio stick around this year and go elsewhere next year on Roma to kickers next year. There's just it's difficult for them to be in because a Matt Ryan health. But what what would you do if you without? Yes. So I mean, this has been a topic that's sort of been like elephant in the room. No one's really talking about it so far. But it's it's there, and it's it's you know, we've got address it soon. I mean, there's absolutely a kicker controversy in Atlanta. And so the way I see the rest of the season shaping out at least, I think we're going to let Matt Bryant rest as long as he needs to you know, recuperate as long as he needs to those soon as he tows in quid. Hey, I'm one hundred percent ready to kill. I think we're gonna bring that. Right back in Giorgio has been amazing. And it's really great that we managed to find someone who really, you know, saved our skins this last game. And he definitely has the resume to be the guy to carry us forward in the future. But you know, right now with all that Matt has done I think he's still he's still the the guy he still money into Matt starts to see a significant decrease in production. I don't think you know, we'll give that the reins over Georgia just yet. But I can actually see us carrying two kickers next season because of a map Bryant's age, and and at this age, you don't know how quickly that decline come for some, you know, if you're Tom Brady does the client. We haven't even notice it yet. But you know, Matt Bryant's kicker, and it's his production has been great so far. But if once it starts to dip, I think Georgia will absolutely be the gotta take over if it's, you know, within the next season or to otherwise, you know, Matt Ryan guy, George go to another team and. Conversation. I think they'd be smart to keep them in the year particular with Brian health you how he continues. But right now, you don't need that other roster spot for anybody. It would just be someone in active on game day. So you might as well keep tobacco make him an active on game day. Bryant gets healthy and see how Bryant does for the rest of the year. If he's the same guy, we know in you know, that going forward he's done do that next year. It makes it difficult to keep the roster. Spot open for a second kicker, but at the same time, I think having him in the system next season keeping him around the offseason you allow Bryant to figure out whether he wants to continue to play. I think for him. He has an out every year in that contract to decide if he wants to retire. I think he may still wanna play if he knows the team is going to be really good next year. Again, if we went to a Super Bowl somehow in two thousand twenty and Matt Ryan wasn't our kicker. It would feel really weird because it's like he's in there for the entire time. And you've wanted to be a part of that want to have a really good year next year if when everybody's? Healthy knock on wood. Like you want him to be there? You want him to be the kicker 'cause to like to you a lot. He's awesome. That's like you wouldn't feel quite right? But at the same time if Matt Bryant continues to make that slow down hill with his age, which is very natural. It'd be very understandable considering where he is. And you get to a point where you know, tobacco's to like the Bengals or something or the Texans or somebody doesn't have a great kicker in is like they're great kicker for the next ten fifteen years. You kinda like the falcons miss that. It's only the can't find another picker you get one in the draft or you can go maybe look for somebody else. But I don't know it just feels like he showed a lot of promise in that giant twin, and he made some pretty long feels old guy who had just gotten in the system, and he's kinda mayor with the falcons what want on special teams. I I'm hesitant to let him go. Now, I think there should hold onto the year Harry to kickers and then go in the nineteen bigger things out with Vecchio under contract for that entire season. So. Oh, you know, the only way he's leaving. If is if you want to leave. But you know, we'll see what they'll do. It's the falcons they never exactly what you are expecting. But it's always it's always the move. The falcons are going make that you know, as we wind down or conversation here. Let's talk about the season as a whole we've talked a lot about the reflection of what we've seen. Let's try to look into the future though bit. Where's your honest assessment of where the same goes like if you had to look and say all right from Sunday's game at Washington to the season finale against Tampa Bay where where are the falcons it? See it's rough because we've seen always seen so far with four home games only to away games. Those two away games were disasters for us. You know, we we went to Philadelphia and the that was just terrible felt like the end of last season. And then we went up to Pittsburgh, and it was a total collapse. Forty one points given up when we could only score seventeen on them. So majority of the rest of our schedule is going to be away, and those could be some tough games. I mean, we're playing Washington in Washington. You know, Cleveland's team. That's like they they tied with the Steelers. They genuinely could be a threat to the state of the falcons right now. So in that, you know to topping on going to the seines and the Panthers aids just it's a whole lot. I don't think this team right now as is is built for winning another. You know, we have three wins right now we'd have to win, you know, what seven more at least. To to to make the playoffs and looking schedule ahead. It's it's tough in. Let's deal. Jones comes back as quick as possible and plays one hundred percent the way he was before. I really really don't think this offense can carry the yes. I think that the offense may take a little bit of a step back with the loss of Fujiko because you're taking away the that was there on that line. And it's just another moment, we're injuries by Gina. But I want to look at the schedule for the next six weeks. Okay. And this is this is a tough schedule. They go to Washington they're five and two Washington's having a really good year. It it's that defensive line is rate. They're going to be able to do a lot against falcons with the run. And we haven't even noted that devante Freeman is playing offense has been so good here. And literally one of the franchise faces is been on my are has on existent because of injuries that's a conversation will leave alone. Because obviously there's a lot that can be said there as much love Freeman. I want them to think he's the still will be a great player next year against a healthy. But okay. So next than the eleventh, you go to Cleveland and play a team that is very talented. The just didn't have the coaching this year. Greg Williams is taking over as head coach that's gonna work by their their their next year team. They always have been able see where they go. But they're getting a bad match for Atlanta with how physical they are line in the way that secondary plates. You know, they get home against a Cowboy's team that's gonna be frying if that wildcard spot. Dick Elliott didn't play last year. He'll be playing this year. They have some instability on that offense some weeks the good, so they're not while just the Dax kind of last maybe one or two weeks is going to be what holds for them or may be something else. I don't know they're they're kind of their little bit mediocre this year, but they have some weeks. They really tend to go off. They did a really good job in some last year. We'll see how that goes at home to definitely helps Jerry world then like the the three weeks after that they go to the saints on thanksgiving. They host the ravens who going into this past week at the best NFL in the league. I think that may go down because Carolina is but still a top probably top three defense and go to lambo in December to take on the Packers who are going to be very very, very, very, very, very, very, very happy to see you and hope to destroy you. After what you've done to them in the last few year. Anybody new this? The falcons embarrassing there ever since two thousand sixteen dang. Has had Aaron Rogers number Hern Rogers n that Ryan our friends, you can guess after years and years of being little brother. Matt Ryan said ha ha I got to go to the SuperBowl. And you didn't. And I beat you in my last game the Georgia Dome. Made you look stupid. So you're going to lambo in December on a team who has no no goodbye with Atlanta and probably Mike McCarthy by that time might be coaching for his job depending on where the seasons going. So you look at that stretch of those teams, and I just sit there and wonder how can Atlanta come out of that any better than like two and four like how? I mean, this this is easily. And. The Cowboys failed goal. They could lose their probably will lose to the saints on the road. And they could lose the ravens at home. They could lose for the Packers on the road. And you could be sitting there looking at last three games, and that it would be very reminiscent of that eight season. They just collapsed down the stretch, although us all. This is crazy statistic. I think Dan Quinn right now is like twelve and four in December. Or I don't know. I don't think that athle- right or in the second half of season, not only. That's exactly accurate. But traditionally his teams are actually not bad at all. I think that's when they begin to hit their stride is right in November. And as they go in that last strips, they always finish strong, which makes me think maybe like that Cleveland game that Cowboys maybe they win to back to back. And then maybe they somehow get past the Packers. Lambeau these some of these games are winnable. I'm very pessimistic about going down to New Orleans and having having the Baltimore come to town. I think those games are going to be really hard in less. Dan Quinn can scheme against flacco, which I think could possibly happen. They can just really just kind of out coach them on the offense. But right now, I really think this team is lingering between six and ten at an eight. I think you look between those two marks. And you find your record. I don't think it's going to be nine and said quite. Because of the schedule. I don't think it's going to be quite a five and eleven foreign twelve I think you're gonna look between six and ten eight and an injury ravaged season with offense really good defense has been really bad. I think there's really nothing wrong with that. There's nobody to blame. There's no hard conversation to have about this or that. Maybe you need to reach will the deep it's of line little bit. Which is kind of the story we have every year. But I think everywhere else on the roster. Maybe you look at adding another guard. I think everywhere else on the roster is set the next couple of year. The extensions will settle themselves. When contracts all those players it'll have to refund some debt, but right now, the nucleus of this team when healthy will be there for the next two or three years and the falcons will continue to content in that period. As unless they don't have some big change offense coordinator with if he continues to do well on a college team wants to hire him to coach, I think it happened, and they go back to college and be that level. But we'll see. The future is not something we can be guaranteed in. If you look at this season as good example of that. But I think overall the best way to look at this team right now just say they got the short end of the stick. They got the injury bug. They got in a very difficult position or they really couldn't get out of. And they did the best that they could. Maybe they should have added a player here there from the outside. But I don't know of if that had really made the world's difference living. The Jones is really hard losing county is really hard. Eric Reid's been good for Carolina. There's not been like a revelation, right? Like he hasn't been a pro bowler. He's been polit would have been better, Jordan Richards, or Brian polit- strong safety. You know, again, the trenches were never gonna get any better. The offense of line was always going to struggle. The defensive line was always going to be great Brady, particularly, you know, maybe if they make a move here there, maybe they don't lose a game by touch down here there. But I don't think there's team was going to be a Super Bowl contender this year. Even if straight. Maybe they would have because they would have been pretty complete on both sides of the ball. But I don't know. This is just one of those things where it's like you can't play what if too much because if you do just drive yourself tree. I think the best thing for Atlanta from this point on is just to cut your losses and come back next year with the budgets because the back half of the schedule is really hard. I mean, even in that low those last three games. Yeah. You get the cardinals at home. They're not great this year that you still have to go to Carolina before Christmas and Carolina's having a really good season. And they're really going to be happy to get back at you after what happened in September. And then you go on the road with the bucks. And we have no idea what the shape of that. Buccaneers team is going to be in the season. Finale min- may fire other by the end, you know, they may have they may just really be pulling for pride and peanuts. Like, I don't know. I really I'm really curious where the season goes. But I don't think it's going to be anywhere to special. Yeah. See this thing. A lot of people are trying to play the blame game. You know? I blame coach Queen. I blamed each blame this person that player, and it it also, you're right. We just got the short stick. There is no one really to blame the only blame you can assign. Maybe is at the beginning of this year. We didn't really dress our defensive line as she is and stuff like that people. You know, they they wanna pay all this on some reason or something. But you know, they can't like we can't blame our young guys not all of them for being amazing. You know, looking at you, Duke Riley. You know, we have no no gripes with the way he is right now. Because like we're saying earlier it takes time for these players develop. And we've seen our before we have a lot of people who come in played super excellent, you know, year one, and we expect the the to be stars when reality it's for a lot of these guys. It's going to take a couple of years for them to truly become one of the forces in this league. So. People just you know, they wanna point fingers and at this point we have to just play the season out watch some Alkan football. You know, have be what it is. And you know, if we make the playoffs. Best wonderful. That's great hopes to a shot of being in the Super Bowl in Atlanta. Although I highly doubt that happens in if not, you know, think of it as in we're getting really high drastic where adding rennet at a lot of guys who are going to be coming to an already stack team. So it's this won't we just gotta sit back enjoy it and not worry about you know, what if this happened with that? I think that's the best way. The only way can really like this right now is just say we'll see what happens I really feel like the Super Bowl has really zapped. Everyone's patience out of their system because they've been patient for so long and continue to be patient. But that's kinda catch isn't it like patients requires more patients. And if you don't have more patients after ends, did you really have patients in the first place. You have no guarantees this league with random this league is just spontaneous. Victors crime out of the ashes every day and titans fall into the ocean. Just as equal like we really there is no schematic formula other than the patriots are usually good or team that Peyton Manning was as always really good, wherein Rogers. But even then it's like there's no guarantee Peyton Manning only won two Super Bowls and the second Super Bowl really was as defense got. Right. Aaron Rodgers only had one ring like that's how ran in. This league is the best quarterbacks of ever played Tom Brady has five rings. Sure. But because he's like probably the best coach player combination of all time, those tend to do pretty well. I don't know if you knew that. But if you're the best something you do. Okay. But yeah, I think as we kind of wrap up looking at the season as a halfway you just have to say they tried. They really did put a good team on the field this year. But it just wasn't meant to be. And that the happens. I didn't get any good didn't get any good bouncers that didn't get those plays like lassie's in times especially early in the year where it came down to that play the falcons. Able to make it had the guy the needed this year that had the Gaza needs those last purple plays came down to them. Now, making them that's part about it stinks. But like, that's all you have to be willing to take into account that it is a spontaneous sport. The does not care how badly you wanna win. It's gonna do wants to do. And if you're not ready, you're not ready in our yard. Sometimes you'll get the bouncing times won't. But you know, that's where we are. That's the sucky part about this. But it they'll be okay. It may not be this year. They may not be. But then again, imagine this team like fifteen pick added into the mix just at random and you just get him because the draft. So I'm excited about that. I think that they've been drafting really well recently. I'm I don't wanna talk too much about the spring yet. Because I know people really don't like that until like in December and things really are looking good which could be the case, we'll say I'm gonna wait and see mode. This team is just going to be one of the things every week. We'll just have to kind of see where they are. And see what they can do. And it's gonna be tough. You know, they've overcome worse though. We'll see how it goes. All right, Gabe. Thank you so much for coming on the subset of the colleagues post game podcast. Tell yourself you know, and all the other people need to remind yourself of your information. So the folks where they can find you kind of talk about what's going on in the world of gape. So the only social media I want she has only on is Twitter. 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Reviewing the Falcons 2019 defense

The Falcoholic

1:16:32 hr | 1 year ago

Reviewing the Falcons 2019 defense

"Guys what can to pursue the podcast podcast on the escalation podcast. That's what I'm joined by my co host during the regular season for post game. podcast of course talking about none the Evan Evan how you doing I'm doing great You know the season's over with but they're still football enjoyed On the national level so yeah just hanging in there ready for the off season in to see what happens you know before next season begins absolutely and Before we get into the depth of sort of planning for twenty twenty for what the off seasons going to collect for the Falcons take a look back act today. We'll look at the Falcons defense and special teams we're going to deliver review Recap what happened our thoughts and some of the coaches the players. How they performed armed last week for those of you who didn't hear it Dave Gina and I got together and we talked about the offense so this is the follow up to that podcast. Of course Evan inaugural break that down here for today. So let's jump into it Evan was start with the coaches. Because I think this is really where everything begins gins with when we talk about the conversation not just about the defense but the team as a whole but I wanted to focus specifically on the defense since that was really really an area where I think there was a lot of optimism. From the Falcons fans coming into the season and arguably this is where some of the biggest letdowns it's happened so obviously for a recap Dan Quinn at the end of two thousand eighteen fired marquand Manuel. Who was the defensive coordinator later? It felt like a weird move because the defense in two thousand eighteen was decimated by injuries and yet Dan Quinn said he was going to take over. In Two Thousand Nineteen Law people myself included. Thought it was going to result in an improved defense on through the first eight games of the season. The Falcons were twenty eighth in Devi away. Football outsiders advanced metric Which is pretty bad at a midway through the year? They made a change Dan Quayle realized he was not getting it done so he fired himself. I guess and put Raheem Morris and Jeff Oh brick in charge of the defense and in the second half of the season the defensive unit improved to finish your ranked twentieth in Devi away so a substantial improvement which really says you know back half of the season they were probably more of a middle of the road. Defense compared to being one of the worst defenses in late the first half of the year. So let me ask you first. What do you think of the coaches of Dan? Quinn obviously is defense coordinator that experiment and now that we know remorse is going to continue as defensive coordinator. Maybe give me your thoughts of the future for him and calling this defense in twenty twenty. Yes so all we can really do is analyse with basically the data we've been given and luckily for looking at the data are bi week was smack DAB in the Middle Week nine so we have the first eight weeks to look at them. We have the week nine buffer than we have from ten to seventeen which is the rest of the season In it's it's like night and day I know there's different. Teams being played literally our entire divisional games took place in the second half which you would think would be a little little more difficult but when you just look at it? Overall from the moment that switch happened from as you were saying Dan Quinn basically taking a back seat the Moore's takeover I mean you look at the biggest thing for me. Is the turnovers right. So in the first eight weeks we the only had four turnovers on defense and three of them came against the Eagles in two which one And then one against the Houston. Texans where pretty much got destroyed So then you look at the second half. We had four alone against the Carolina Panthers And then you look at it total. It's eight ten ten eleven twelve thirteen sixteen in the second half compared to four in the first eight games like I. I mean that that was the move that had to be made to keep him. You know keep him on his defensive coordinator as long as nobody else was looking at at removing even from the team in Hiring elsewhere Because he earned it. I mean you just look overall the first two games after being beat by a Seattle seahawks a game where the defense gave up three hundred twenty two yards. I mean they pretty much had their way with US running the ball hundred fifty one yards total. Who'd for them and then against the saints at the saints better yet and then at the panthers? I mean you're only giving up twelve points total with those Games combined it's night and day difference in that can't just be a coincidence. When you look at overall how the defense you know they they certainly you can look at stats to prove your point on everything but also if you watched all of the Games you noticed a difference defense was making plays Guys who weren't stepping up where all the sudden stepping up Vic Beasley E. Even like look you know. It's like six and a half sacks in certain. There's yeah exactly exactly I mean there's so much you can argue for and like I said the stats back it up but it was also the test the first half of the season abysmal. I mean they fifty up fifty three points in one game right. Yeah the second half of the season the most gave up in a game was against the buccaneers in week. Twelve and it was thirty five. The rest I mean was all like in the twenties You know obviously the more point to give better change. You'RE GONNA lose. They gave the second most in the back. Half of the season was the saints game. Lost that by every other game they won you know because they allowed They allowed what twenty two points or less. So that's that's a big statement because in the first in the first eight games I mean you win by having more points points the first eight games the only game the late they gave up was twenty points against the Eagles in one night game. Obviously everything else was twenty four or more points and the pudding there. Yeah absolutely and some people are gonNA point to sort of the strength of the competition. The second half and I would argue. Flo they face the saints Twice which was a thirteen win team. They beat San Francisco. This go and in New Orleans right right And those are two playoff teams in San Francisco has one of the best offenses in the league. Granted they did face the bucks in the panthers twice but that's one of the things alike about the. Da Is it takes into account the strength of your competition in determining those ranking so even when you take that into account they went from twenty eight after eight games to twentieth again to make that sort of a job they had to have been somewhere you know maybe in the twelve to fifteen range in in the second half of the year which is a a substantial improvement As you were noting I think a lot of the basic statistics even point that out so Certainly I think there's reason to be optimistic. That remorse will be a much better. Defensive Coordinator Going into twenty but knock on wood. We thought that about Dan Quayle going into through this season. So I WANNA move on now to special teams because before we get into the defensive line linebackers secondary. I WanNa talk a little bit briefly uh-huh briefly about the special teams situation. I want to start with the punters will make this easy because we went through like forty five of them during the season seemed like Matt Bosh got injured. He was brought back injured again. Finished on injured reserve reserved for the season. There's some serious questions about whether he'll be back The Falcons whipped through a few players before they finally landed on Ryan. Alan who I believe Kane think he last played with the Patriots this year And in my opinion I think there is a conversation to be had about keeping Allen may be over Bashar and I'm a big Matt Bosscher Fan. I love what he's done since his time in Atlanta but Allen. It seemed to really come together. As our punter in the back half season constantly putting teams inside inside their fifteen inside their ten. What are your thoughts on that Pundits Situation Bosh Versus Ellen? How that played out a I mean I I like Bosscher you know I don't it's one he's one of those? This guy's been around for so long kind of map. Bryant was where you don't really remember much before him but obviously you know we had like Michael. CAIN and stuff like that but Ryan Allen all in I mean. He stepped up when we seem like we were having a rotation at Punter But Ryan Allen was for some reason available and it was because the Patriots drafted drafted I believe he's Jake Bailey. From Stanford I think or something like that in the fifth round or something anyways selective in the draft and basically made Ryan L. in expendable in he was. I believe he won three super bowls with the Patriots and he was a part of that twenty. Sixteen Team or whatever. So you know in any comes here And we actually went back. You know. It's not like we had him for eight straight games had to go back. Yeah we had to go back to and because they ended up releasing him because Washer came also. VR believe he got reinjured or whatever and ended up back on. I R whatever it was in Ryan Allen was still available in you know he pass the eye test for me. He had twenty eight months I mean I'm not a punting guru through or anything but I did find it interesting that his yards per pint. is identical to what Matt Faucher's was forty one point nine like to a T.. So yeah you know but he. I don't know I think it will come down to more of the contracts and stuff like that ambassador his season was lingered by injuries He's third. He's thirty two. I don't know what his birthday is but he may end up being in thirty three three. Yes three years younger maybe four. I don't know I guess it depends on how birthdays lineup but He I mean he looked oh good. He wasn't losing a games. There were several times. I remember actually noticing where the Like should have been stopped within like the ten yard line but rolled into the end zone. the punters not gonNA. It's not his job to recover it. It's just to get him down there and then we have. The governor's basically who are supposed to stop the ball. So Oh that's not always on him But you know he was reliable. I think that was the biggest takeaway it was reliable. He wasn't screwing anything up EH. That's what you want from a partner. I mean yeah so I think I do think there's a chance we'll see guys in camp You know the outcome attorneys. Yeah out should be Let these guys compete and see who comes on top lit. Switch over to I think thank you know. Potentially the hot button topic for special teams the kicking situation Obviously the Falcons decided to not exercise is the last year Matt. Bryant's contract in the offseason. They guest decided to go younger with Georgio. Takeo who came in with Matt Bryant was injured in two thousand thousand eighteen. Two thousand eighteen in did a fairly good job. You made all his kicks in. I think impressed the team so much so that they kept to kickers on the team through through the rest of the season Yeah Matt Bryant's My age. He's he's in the mid forties he's obviously up there to the point where he's very in the area if not retired at this point But the whole way the handle the situation where they didn't even bring them into camp they went with Tha Vecchio based off a small sample size started falling apart quickly in the preseason. The team realized that his I guess mentally he was beginning to to become come unglued they started bringing guys including Blair Walsh and I feel like the Blair. Walsh incident was really what spurred then going back to Bryant and saying hey we made a mistake and come back and then of all things midseason after Bryant it misses some fifty yard plus goals the team releases him again Which Avenue broke the news on twitter before anyone else did Kudos for for that and then finally they. They landed on young coup. Who I think was up and down? He had some good Games. He had some bad misses. But what's your what's what's your take on the kicking situation from the beginning of the season all the way to where we are now where it looks like young way coup will get the chance during the job in twenty twenty. Yeah I mean the big takeaway is. He's pretty reliable within the basically forty ish range to lower which is Great? You Know Butt Kicker should should be making those kicks The con for me is that they immune you've talked about on other on a creed shows on the post game. PODCAST ON CAST is in eight in eight games. He only had one attempt over fifty yards like that. Every time I think of it's bizarre because because Bryant was with us for I believe seven games in he had six attempts from fifty. Now that could be more of the wealth offense was worse than the first half which is certainly an argument in they had to basically rely on these long kicks Matt. Bryant went to of six from fifty a plus but there was times where and I think you even mentioned it to where it seemed like they would rather than have him kicked up fifty plus radio goal in which you know you're taking points off the board Or potential points off the board anyways in one cookie that was fifty plus. Yeah it went in but it was Kirti. It wasn't like a clean hit like hit the goal post and bounced in Could easily miss But I'm certainly not saying. Yeah don't let the kicker next year but as you mentioned with the Situation there needs to be competition which you know. I don't know if the team learned their lesson because you know I wanna say they did but the way they you know bailed on that Brian abroad him back in bailed on again shows that maybe they aren't learning so you know from their from their mistakes but You know I think the the whole onside kick element you know. That's certainly something. You have to look gap because if you can have onsite kick master such an ability. That hasn't really been a thing in the NFL l.. Like I don't recall a you know in my since I've been alive a situation where kicker seem so easily able to kick onside kicks in. I mean you talked about it. I believe it was the saints game where they were in Atlanta. Yes general. Von were called were flagged or something and the one of them was successful but they were. They were poorly flag because it was legal for what happened. I think one guy was like they said was offsides. He wasn't there was something else. So like every every onsite ticky technically had this season was successful. I mean that's in itself. You know something something to look at like. Maybe he's not gonna hit those e-class maybe his distances along. I don't know maybe that's something you look at in the preseason but you definitely have to have competition But also kickers. It's such a weird thing. Where you you like? You mentioned with two Vecchio in maybe well actually. I think we'll hear. Walsh is just not good but with two Vecchio He was great last season It's like he missed a couple in his confidence was completely shot report room yeah. I was at that That week four. preseason at Jacksonville game In you could the second. He missed that one. It was like everybody in the booth was just like Oh like that. They knew that was the end and I don't think he he kicked again. I think they brought Blair Walsh in in the second. Half in the Matt Ryan was signed a couple of days later basically But you don't WanNa play Roulette with kickers but yeah me and you could spend an hour talking about how let us. We've been at the kicking position but you definitely have to have a Some competition for you know you don't want to just hand him the job because if he screws up from the same exact both exactly yep. I wouldn't be surprised. If the Falcons bringing several guys compete kicker in twenty twenty based off the the The the the experiment if you will from nineteen which went horribly all right. We're going to shift gears. Talk now about the defense So going going back to the original point of the podcast reviewing the defense for this year. And I'M GONNA start with the defensive line because I think if there's a unit that was a sort of hot and cold it was this unit You know the first half we talked about It was the only person arguably who was performing The entire season was great Who deserved his first? Pro Bowl nod. he was one of the best interior pass rushers in the entire. NFL believe he finished. What was it with seven sacks seven or eight sacks from the interior with evident right in the middle? It's a right in the middle of that. which is really for defensive tackles? That's a great number and honestly had at least to the I know were take it away from him from bogus roughing the passer penalty yes so arguably could have had nine to ten sacks if the NFL knew what roughing the passer actually ones uh-huh but let's talk about their overall performance I want to start first with some of the free agents we brought in because I feel like we actually got some decent value. We're here we brought in a two guys in particular Alan Bailey in Tyler Davidson What are your thoughts on these? Two guys how they did the year Were they worth you know the relative the money that they were given. Yeah I mean I like Davidson and the preseason so I'm kind of excited to see what the regular season were turn out. I mean he had one sack and I believe Bailey really also had one sack in a Bailey was only. He only started in like five games so he was more of like I guess debt player for him. I don't know but I mean Davidson somebody who you probably don't want starting but I think he's really good depth for the team I don't know what their plan is to do. DOC to address it. Because the Falcons honestly their defensive line wasn't that bad in regards to the run defense so I don't think you know uh I'm not going to sit here and say oh they you know they suck 'cause they certainly were doing their job overall and it's hard to pick and they can apart. I think the Falcons could certainly upgrade upgrade You know maybe in the draft like I know that people kept on about Derrick Brown and stuff like they got a really solid defensive tackle next to him that could be fun but Davidson. Certainly someone. I'd like to see back Alan Bailey. I mean he's just a guy I don't now now I mean he's he's thirty probably won't be thirty one next year like if it's cheap bring him back but I mean if you move on from him. I don't think it's you going to ruin the defensive line by any means Bailey's contract was structured in such a way that the second year was really sort of a bail out your anyway though. So he's somebody they may not bring. Yeah four and a half million cap hit to keep on. That's the that's a bit much so I think they're probably GONNA walk. But Davidson is definitely to your point. Someone and I can see. Yeah clayborn I think was one of the more underrated Like four sacs from him. He was just so he was third word on the team in sacks on that note. Let's talk about some of the guys who returned Yeah clayborn VIC Beasley type Kinley in another name of throw in there who I think is you know. I've got a little bit of a statement excitement around those John. Kaminsky Yep who was a rookie rookie? I guess This year not coming back. But let's talk about this guys. The guys they're sort of on the edge these Liam Kinley clayborn courtesy. So you started on claiborne. Yeah I I mean you look at his third on the team in sacks of four sacks format his age I mean that's pretty solid and he. He's a veteran like he's exactly what you want. In a veteran he played in. I believe all I believe. He played in fifteen games so Maybe not all sixteen but Yeah I mean ah I hope he comes back. I'm not a contract guy so like I don't know what his like. What it it looks forward to next year like is he still on contract and stuff? But I'd love to see him back just because I think it's important to have veteran presence. We forget like Grady Jarrett. He's he's only I think. Twenty six twenty seven like he's still not even what what he could be in his prime so to speak like he's still young but I mean he's obviously very talented 'cause he's making a pro bowl when he was second team. All all pro and this is interesting. Claiborne was actually. He led the team in hurries. He had thirty nine hurries. Okay and next to him was great. Jared Eric who had twenty nine th hurry so yeah to your point. Clayborn was really getting quarterback staff to move and And then Kaminsky I think with Kaminsky. It is exciting. I think what also played into him not always being out there. Aside from you have an injuring green stuff I I think what needs to be remembered. Is that until like the last week. Most of the coaching staff probably thought we're fighting for our jobs here like they're not going to take risks in run out John Kaminski who's still unproven just to see what he's got it in for me it'd be next year there's such a a the word a I guess a benefit of having job security where you could play around with and be like well you know. We're not making the playoffs. AWFULLEST run John Kaminsky out there you know. Give him a full load in. See how he does But if you're playing for your job you're going to be more hesitant. Be Like No. I can't risk that but I need to keep tack in the Beasley out there. I mean that's probably not who you want to save your job but you know they have more experiences what I'm saying rum but but you're not going to be willing to take more of those risks. I mean earlier in the season even not to bounce around but you saw how When Kiana Neal went down you know there was people like Sharad Me Smith who could have been brought out play Just to see what he had in him but they decided to trade for somebody who had a little more experience just because the coaching staff was willing to take those risks Hopefully you know next year. Quinn's not on the hot seat because the Falcons are doing doing so well that Kaminsky can get you know the playing time he deserves because as me and you know we do we look at the. PF scores and stuff excecutive rated the Games he played in he was he was always in like the top five and he wasn't getting as many places. Everybody else he was taking advantage of the place he got exactly. And that's all that matters and that shows that you know there's potential there and hopefully the staff sees it And hopefully they'll feel inclined to actually use next year but yeah yeah Protect Kinley and victories. Just real quick some some stats consider Tack Finish Number Nine for the Falcons in. NPF in he had thirty three a total pressures Four Saks nineteen hurries. Ten hits in Vic Beasley finished twenty first. Mr Fans are going to be really surprised by that but he actually. I had one of his better seasons from pass rushing standpoint he had thirty six total pressures nine sacks three hits in twenty four hurries. So Oh actually. We mentioned earlier. He finished the back. Half of the season. Really Strong and You know arguably is had outplayed himself into a better contract probably not with Atlanta but some other team is probably GonNa look at his last eight games in safe. We can get that player we can. We can do something them with that. So just some quick thoughts from you on on tack in Vic and a maybe what you think the future holds for them. Yeah I mean I'm sure you you know a lot of fans want the team to move on from Vic But he as you said aside from what you mentioned I believe he finished second in tackles for loss I'm tied with John. Jones Great. He was number one. It for us. you know he he's definitely getting the Backfield He led the team team in sacks only eight. But you know you WANNA see more than that I I think a lot of people would have been more. Open them coming back if it was like ten or something. That's kind of what you want but yeah I just don't see a way for victim back Because I think another team will want to pay him Yes defensive defensive ends in you know unless they're like what three four and they WANNA play linebacker. Whatever it's such a rarity to have somebody who can get you any you know like eight sacks in a season in you know we know what he's capable of in what he's is not capable of in the potential? I think a lot of fans thought he had earlier in his career that we're kind of like all burnt out on it by now especially what he got paid last season so I think he's probably gone but You know that's where having Kaminsky play more and be like give you more. I mean because if he's gone on who steps in like you pretty much have throw commission or draft somebody or sign somebody you know what I mean like. There's no it's a pretty good drop. As bad is Vic Beasley has been like he's still leading the team in a couple of the big categories. We need them to lead in sacks But then you look at TAC TAC. He only played in. I think fourteen games before you got injured Yes what did you say four sacks like he he looks apart he has a high motor They're not gonNA give up on him. This easy I don't think I think he's still got another year or two to Kinda showcase what he has. I breath accused shown. More as a pass rusher Yeah Beasley has I mean he has it led the League Saxon. I think that was the one thing that because if you take that season away vic Vic Beasley was a bus and you know I think that one season Kinda save space form tack hasn't been you know on a national level like a pro bowl or anything like that but he's he's shown potential. I think especially this year. I thought you I think this year was his best season. But you know that's kind of if an and here you know I I think fancy remember tack was playing a good bit of season with the bump shoulder yup which is ultimately what ended his season. And you know the the thing I would say is he has shown more from pass rushing standpoint. Convicted Vick was always sort of a one trick. Pony now he he was speed rusher in never did develop much from a pass rush standpoint a tack at least has shown the ability to use spin moves Good hand in usage He can convert speed power We've seen him bull rush guys and be really successful with that so I think tax still has lot potential. I think we we have to revise sort of our expectations or a pass rusher taken in the first round. They're not all going to be von Miller and get you fifteen eighteen sixteen sacks year but if you can get a guy that's going to get you seven eight nine sacks maybe be a complimentary guy a there is still a ton of value like you said Ed for a pass rusher that can get you that and it's a big reason why vic to your point we'll probably get signed somewhere else. Team is going to see his nine sacks this this year in say we can do something with that and we're GONNA pay more than minimum contract to to lure him here so don't be surprised you know for people glistening if Vick gets not from Atlanta. I don't expect it to happen from here. But don't be surprised if he gets a deal with a seven eight million on it You know a million per sack if you will. Yeah Yup definitely and I think it also helps when you have like a constant pressure. Sure on the other side like tech was doing good I think but You look at you know. Probably one of the defensive lines in the NFL Right now oh him. We'll see him in the playoffs. This weekend Vikings You see how Dinio Hunter in Everson Griffen benefit off each other I think hunters finished the regular season with fourteen or fifteen sacks in Griffin. Probably about eight. You got to have like a double punch their you know I think the forty niners have a similar thing with Was it Bosa in D. Ford or something like that In the Falcons really don't have that It's not I don't think costing them games. But it's certainly something you'd like to have And you know maybe they'll get it eventually but I think we're just more focused on trying to get one good pass rusher then we're not really worth about getting a second complementary guy yeah to that point if they do get another good pass rusher in I think you could see tack. Oh yeah that was. My voice asked year yeah. I hope my point wasn't getting lost their that. If you have a really like Daniel Hunter it is only benefitting off having Everson Griffen. It's that's the only reason. The Falcons fell into the whole Ray Edwards thing years ago was jared Allen was so so good that it was free and Upper Edwards. You know these people in the NFL they. They're not terrible as much as you want to think Ray Edwards herbage it wasn't terrible. He just was looking a lot better. Because of who who's playing on the other side of the Line Jared Allen Who I guess? He's a hall of Famer. I don't know where he's really good. He made some approachable. But that was my overall point. I just wanted to get lost in so overall quality. The defensive line you almost you have to look at it as first half of the season for second half of the season so if you're going to give them a grade A. Through F. What would your assessment of the two thousand eighteen defensive line I mean in my eyes and A. You're you're all like amazing. Probably you got like a hall of Famer on the line So I'm GonNa give them like a C. minus in it's not that they were terrible or anything I mean it's because more of the pass rush. I think could obviously be you better. But I think they were very underrated in the run game So that's where I think that would keep them from like a D in my eyes because I think the strength drink of the defense along the Times was the defensive line teams were forced to pass on us because they couldn't really run the ball. I mean you look at how how the defense was against like Derrick Henry yet gave up one hundred yards to but he had twenty seven carries. Like if you've been watching the Games lately he should have probably had like two hundred yards off for that. So I mean that's what I would give him Are you in the same boater. What do you think yeah? I think You do have to look at tale of two halves And I think the first half would get D. minus two In in the second half get like a a a B. I think that probably comes out to about a C minus or a C Like you said I think the run defense was actually much better than than people appreciated shaded in actually the Sax really came together in the second half of the season In fact it was their performance against New Orleans in New Orleans and that inspired What the Vikings did in the playoffs just this week? Where they the Falcons were taking? Their guys is off the edge in coming up the middle in challenging those guards that's ultimately a was what you know the Vikings on and were incredibly successful within the Falcons has got six sacks against drew brees back in week nine which sorta started the rejuvenation of the Dan Quinn era in Atlanta So they added onto that. It wasn't just that they did it you know they. They had some success in San Francisco. They had lots success against Carolina You know they pressured Jameis Winston in the second game a bit so I think they were inconsistent but when they were firing on all cylinders I they actually look pretty good. Ms Why I think you know if we continue to invest in the defensive line the twenty twenty try to find another good pass rusher pressure to put up there with with grady jared intact McKinley. Bring back you know if you can afford him an Adrian clayborn a sort of brown out the the debts. I feel like this could be a very good defensive line with right. Coaching in the right people talk so well and I think what helps to is now that we know Dan. Quinn is coming coming back. We don't have to worry about you. Know some of these guys who if a new coach came in probably would scrap where you know they. They are very much Dan Quinn guys like you know. I'm a big Jack Crawford. Though like the season wasn't tremendous because he he didn't get like a whole lot of playing time compared to last year his we did add more depth that on the defensive decline where if Dane Quinn was gone and somebody else came in a guy like him more than likely like hundred percents probably gone where now. There's a little bit more of a chance. He could come back. Probably not but I mean it's still there still a chance there and I think that speaks volumes of guys as you know like tech. Who's going to get you know? He's already comfortable with Dan. Quayle I mean you. You saw how they supposedly video on twitter about it Just how how fired up. He is with him and stuff on the sidelines Like that's Dan Quinn Guy You know probably gone more because of the contract but I don't think if the contract contract was a big deal they would do him back Certainly but you know some of these guys. I think they've got a better chance of sticking around because of Dan. Quinn was my overall or there and just one final point to to round out the conversation on the defensive line before we head to the back. Half of the EH Falcons Defense Jakup to not mariner. He ended up being our or sticks highest rated defender for PF. So that's a name to pay attention to maybe for next year Someone that I think surprised a little bit you know got onto the roster auster beat out with you guys that Many fans thought you know we're GONNA land on ahead of him including Justin Zimmer so keep an eye on this guy he may he may turn into a good depth piece rotational. Die At least from what we've seen in the hundred eighty seven snaps. He got this year he did a fairly good the job again. A good run defender. Sort of you know anchoring. On that conversation we had And Sinatra probably on will. CBS An argument. Yeah he's what's going on or they'll put him in the witness protection program yes disappear played one game he was like six highest rated. PF theft and that was it that garbage all right so before we talk about the linebackers the secondary rap conversation about defense. We're GONNA take a quick break. We'll be right back. I'm Jillian. Weinberger hosted the impact podcast from. Vox about how powerful people affect the rest of us this season. We're looking at the big ideas from all the people running for president. In Two thousand twenty hit this opioid crisis head on public. COPS move away from fossil fuel energy efficiency and it's GonNa be a Great Wall and it's going to work. A lot of those ideas have actually been tried before like that wall. Trump wants wants to build the gallon. 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Nineteen Falcons defense doing a review of the season of the players. How things went In this half the podcast to talk about the back half of of the defense and we're going to start with the linebacking core because this was a mixed bag. I felt like this year because a lot of people looked at. You know sort sort of the you know some of our marquee names and felt like they didn't live up to the billing. The one to start with is Dion Jones. He was given a big contract. Signed to fiber extension. Really right after Greg Jarrett got his deal. Cemented in You know I'll say this. I feel like a lot of fans were putting a ton of criticism on Dion in rightfully. So he get missing tackles yet some bad plays but overall he had a good season. It wasn't maybe as strong as it has been in the past couple of ears. He did great out our best coverage player it better than any of our corners are safeties in actually graded meted out really high in in coverage he was our third highest rated player upper. PF behind only Jarrett. John Kaminsky So let's start. You're with Dion Jones. Evan whether your thoughts on how he did his season whether or not he met exceeded or fell behind expectations. Yeah Well I mean I think the play. Everybody remembers like the last one where he basically one the Tampa Bay game for us. that interception And then finished second in tackles I mean he he was he was good enough to apparently be a pro bowl alternate side and I think that's pretty telling what the season will was it wasn't that he was tremendous or anything like that But he wasn't terrible I think he was more good than bad Usually those sorta the players like that. If you're not taking notice that they're screwing stuff up. You're probably doing a decent job. I think like a guy like Jake Matthews who you're a big fan of Plays into that category. Where if you don't notice them than that's probably a good thing But yeah I mean I think he said you know another good year. I don't think it's anything anything to worry about Especially when you look at like our other linebackers I think he's certainly still the best one we have. And I. I think that feeds into the the conversation about the other guys yet. Start with you know the player who was drafted in the same draft classes him In a player that I think a lot of guys a lot of fans felt had time to potential tons of athleticism really fast track athlete. events devante Campbell. And you know. I think there's still some debate within the Falcons fandom about whether they're not this guy is good and I'll save my thoughts but Whether thoughts Campbell in his season in really you know sort where the four years he's been here has led to. Yeah I mean he's been I think average but you know he's Kinda like a rollercoaster where he has some. I'm good some games. where he's really good and then some games where he's just terrible? I mean I believe he led the team in tackles and honestly might not matter because he's probably probably out the door anyways This offseason so you know I think it also helps to know there's guys like foresaw Lucon who didn't get. He's kind of like the Kaminsky guy where the coaches didn't really give him a lot of opportunity but he still finished seventh in tackles overall. Aw any rated very high on. PF is seem like a week after week. So I'm not too worried about it. I think Campbell's replaceable to where you know. There's certainly other positions where I'd be more worried about losing players like Austin Hooper for example I think there's better. There's better options options at linebacker but Yeah I are you pretty high on him. Are you hoping he comes back. I think to your point Campbell is expendable title and I think you know when you look at what Foyer Kundun. Is You mentioned finished. Twelfth on the team in in the perfect affects Gore's a thick. The way he played made Campbell replaceable. And the thing is with you know in the NFL when and you play sixty seven percent of your snaps in you know the nickel dime. It's not a pressing issue issue to have three high-calibre linebackers because one of those guys more often than not. It's going to hit the bench a better time to really you need to really capable linebackers backers now. Do they think foyer is going to be that number. Two guy next to dion on the low I actually think linebacker is a position. That falcons could draft at. That would surprise a lot of people in the in the early rounds even maybe the first round that may shock some able but I think it is a possibility ability to don't rule out linebacker but I do think Campbell is gonNA walk. I think you'll probably get deal outside. Which is fine? He's he's been a decent player here but I don't think he ever lived up to the potentially had on that line. You know we just mentioned in Foyer Lucon so you know. This guy was undrafted. Couple years ago out of Yale and he's also by the way the player that told the coaching the told the coaching staff about Jaden Graham 'cause they played together at Yale. They were teammates so what are your thoughts on foyer. You just heard mine. Do you feel like he is someone that is GonNa slot ends a starter next year. Do you think he's really more depth. Guy Rotational guy with your feelings on him. Yeah I I mean. I'm not saying he's going to be much better than Campbell or anything. But I think you slide Campbell out and insert voi- and it's not much of a drop off At least based on the limited action I seen in play this year. This is where you know. The the coaching staff feeling more job security. They they probably would probably should've had get more action But I mean he was rating high every week for reason. That's because he's pretty damn good in these. You've got to be smart. You went to Yale. So yeah I hope he gets more action next year. They're still the off season. So as you mentioned I probably could draft. Somebody could be a tube option agency. That's much easier to handle than paying whatever laundry Campbell's GonNa get Somebody will pay for it. Like people love linebackers in offseason in free agency. So I don't think I if I had had to pick one player on defense who isn't going to be be back in. I was pretty positive about it. Probably Campbell. I just think he's expendable as you've mentioned earlier. So yeah get fully a chance I take. Yeah I think I think for you has deserved One of the names. I've I've seen linked to the falcons. Potential first round draft pick was Isaiah. Simmons Outta Clemson. Now he's he is really sort of a the kind of guy could play safety projected to have a really fast forty time covers a lot of ground. So he's someone that could slot in is is a safety. Safety is a is a linebacker. This is what's going to make this offseason really interesting. The falcons could go a whole ton of different directions but yeah for four a a I feel like the team sees him as a fringe starter and someone that could be a decent maybe not a pro bowler but a decent starter. which was what makes me think that they may still decide the draft someone? That could be sort sort of you. Know the one two punch if you like. What Carolina had with? Thomas Davis in Luke Kuechley where they pair up with Dion Jones. Where you've got these two guys guys that cover the entire middle of the field? They've got speed coverage tackling that. You're you're not GonNa get anything done in the lithium with those two guys in. I'm not sure that foyer. Why is that guy? I like him a lot of especially for where we got him. A fantastic value good player. But I'm not sure he's GonNa be a cornerstone in this defense. So that's why I feel like linebacker could be a position. The team looks at in the draft to definitely something keep an eye on. Let's move on to the the secondary 'cause this is I feel like of all the units on this defense. This is the one that has been the most frustrating frustrating at times. Obviously it started very early on with the the return of Ricardo. Alan Kiana Neil and colonial quickly going back out to injury you know. He missed most of last year with a tornado. Looked to be coming back this year and immediately tore his Achilles. So let's talk about the safeties Ricardo Allen who deploy the entire season coming off that torn Achilles from from two thousand eighteen. And then eventually you know after they rotate through some guys. I think Diamante Casey ended up being You know the other safety back. There's not and we didn't really have a true strong safety in the traditional sense the thumper be like Akiyama Neo Ricardo a uh he played more in that role than than Casey did Casey in the more of the center. Fielder Times whether your thoughts on Allen Casey Are you looking forward to neo coming back. Are you concerned about his injury. History at this point now What's your overall thoughts on the safety position? Yeah I mean I love Kiana Neil Oh because I love hitters like that old school football like the winner in you. Know William Moore who used to pile drive people on the ground. But it's like yeah I mean he he honestly for his size is a hitter come. He's just much quicker in you know obviously smaller sized but Ricardo Allen such a leader Peter on Defense. I mean he's you could just talk about his accolades What the Walter Bay in May of the year for the Falcons nominee So maybe maybe he'll win that thing In I just can't get out of my mind the game against the Philadelphia Eagles and that was like week to the Falcons I win. But when he was in the end zone in he was directing a wants it his thing somebody and he was basically like let him come by I. It was milking angle or in the end zone. Yeah who went up in basically caught the ball but then allen like pop them in a great place and I'm glad that was like miked up because it showed you know he's very knowledgeable You know and then you can't help but root for the guy high considering like he was drafted I mean I'm from not from Daytona. But that's where I live in. He went to school here In mainland high school win you know to see the road. He took where he was a defensive. Or A cornerback. I believe For Mike Smith and then I think he ended up getting cut cutter is somehow being on the practice squad or something to and then just to see how far he's come like he's only twenty eight. I think You know finish the team Or the season third in tackles I think he you know he's just a guy you want around that defense He's a leader. You know I'm happy deform and I. I hope he sticks around. I think he had pretty good season. Considering a you know last year I think the injury concerns gone Yeah Yeah I agree. I Love Rico. I feel like he's one of those guys that He does more than people see. You know people always think that plays to your point. He's one of those guys who gets guys in the right place. He didn't have his best season of the once once he's had in Atlanta but I think it's also a tale of two two halves. where he you know he started with Keanu next to him? He had to go through a cycle of guys next to him So there was more on his plate from a responsibility standpoint end. I think that probably hurt him during the season some but I felt like he finished it really strong and I I am very happy with him as whatever safeties so as for KS e you know he he's an interesting story because two thousand eighteen. We saw This Ball Hawk come out of the fifth round and he I think he led he was title lead in tiredly lead the league lead. Oh my word. He was tied for the League. Lead in interceptions in two thousand eighteen. And even this year I think oh how many have had just a few right like two or three interceptions yet three. Yeah so do you know he was someone that A lot of people are thinking. Oh he's going to be fantastic in the slot and actually he started season. He was not particularly good in the slot using a rough start But once he moved back to safety I felt like he he started coming alive again and so to me a he's he is also another player. He by the way he finished thirteenth Casey enough pf ever so His player I feel like is a better fit at safety like what he did there but in the question becomes you know if you bring Keanu back which you know? They're they're going to. He's on his fifth year deal. And and you know what second look like in twenty twenty. So what are your thoughts on Casey. It may be the conundrum of him in Keanu new and Ellen in a sort of competing for two spots. Yeah I mean. He's he's so talented that you don't want to take him off the field and you just want to find a way to get him in there in certainly with Kino's injury history you know you can't just be like oh he's GonNa be perfectly fine. You know we don't have to worry about you now. Him going down. It's nice to have somebody who can fill in like that. Maybe not the same level in same players. Neil by can certainly fill a whole I don't know maybe they look at him in the nickel It's it's Kinda tough to say because I don't know what they think about he. Honor Neal's injury and I think that's it's GonNa be something worth watching this off season Because they did have a safety problem it seemed like where you know they found. I mean how often do the Falcons opens actually make in-season trades and stuff where they sent to Riley to the Eagles or Jonathan Ciprian Briey or supreme and then he got injured after a game of course in game. Yeah so I mean that shows you right there like I mean that was just a weird you know trade raid To begin with In you know it didn't benefit them in any way but it kinda showed their hand that they were nervous about that safety position even though I think Casey was fine but So I think that's certainly you know. Probably something no address in the draft I could easily see them. You know that sort of position you. It doesn't hurt to have great depth than you know they can do. Maybe build around overnight. Said Ricardo's twenty eight I don't I don't know his birthday so he could be twenty nine by time. This season rolls around. so He's getting up. There you know doesn't hurt to have some depth there but I mean I think you know Casey. It's you can't help be excited like he's only shown that you know he's got some talent You know he was he drafted. It wasn't like a high pick or anything it's like a fifth round pickers with roaming. That's yeah I mean. Fifth Round picks fall apart. All the time So definitely definitely steel. I think for considering what he's given us. Sydney finished last season tied for most interceptions in the league. He had seven seven corruptions. I mean three this year. That's you know. It's obviously not saddened but it's not like a zero. Yeah he's he's only twenty six yeah I've been drafted in two thousand seventeen so we still have another Some tennis Next year will be as earlier in his rookie contract So I I mean I feel like it's good to keep him around and see what happens definitely and that's ultimately what if the team will do. There's no reason to to try to make a decision yet in. Certainly don't want to see where killing Liz before making a decision about his long-term future with the team. But Yeah I feel you like the safety position has been a relatively stable. You know got better as the season with long as for the rest of the secondary the corners. This is where we are. I think the conversation turns a little bit You know we've got a desma true font the WHO's been I think arguably a One of those Jake Matthews type players as you were saying earlier where he's he's usually does his job really well. The fans don't do this and then they only noticed when he does something wrong and I feel like he gets a ton of criticism but he's actually still a really good player we had is Oliver. Who is Robert? Alfred's replacement who will. We'll talk about second Kindle Sheffield who was our fifth round pick this year believe and bleary Wilson. Obviously there is George Miller he didn't do enough. I think here to warrant a helium twenty five snaps on defense so we won't spend anytime spended. Yeah for I. Three games right. Yeah yeah so not not exactly a great way to Doria Sheffield. Actually he was a fourth round. Pick pardon me from. I know well. He was a he was one of the fastest players. Overall drafts right. Yup and we saw seven minutes. Yeah we definitely did and we saw his ability to keep up with You know some of the best receivers So a lot of potential there but let's start with desma true fine some quick thoughts on veteran whether he whether or not he had a good season in your eyes and whether he's worth keeping around next year yeah I mean he'll be probably like thirty east twenty nine nine right now but He he played basically half the season before going on a are and he still led the team in interceptions. It used to be the thing he would always hear about what we'd see him drop interceptions while he got the interceptions he led the team in interceptions. So I don't think Oh you know injuries happen. There's not so if you combine those next couple games. He's finishing the season. If he kept the current pace at you you know seven or eight interceptions as pretty solid Especially for a guy who's been labelled as somebody who drops interceptions You know I think I think he's worth keeping even around. Because of how young everybody else's you want to have a veteran presence in it's not like he's like thirty four or something he'll be twenty nine next year. Well okay so birthday fairly recent so starting a year he'll still be twenty nine. Yeah you definitely keep him. I think I think that's just fans overreacting nitpicking being just like the Jake Matthews thing. Yeah and you know to to beat onto the PF drama bit. He finished fifth so he was. I you know the Great Kaminsky Dan Jones Adrian clayborn was fourth desma True Font was fifth highest rated defender. So I think that tells you again. He was our highest rated in coverage besides Down so he was you know right underneath him in coverage scores. So yeah to me true font you gotta keep at least one more year on the fans are looking at the Oh we've got to do something about that. You can free up the captain otherwise plays and honestly. I think you made a very good point. which is a Lotta these other guys? You know whether it's Oliver Sheffield George Miller. They're all young so I think you need a veteran presence especially a veteran like drew font who has played at a high level the league for several years. So I I feel like bringing back is is definitely the right move and I think it will happen. He's he's been a good player again for fans who we're sort of beaten up on him I feel like it's unwarranted. He's our our absolute best corner in that we begin to twenty twenty. So let's let's Talk Beleza Oliver because I feel like he is a player who a lot of fans were had high hopes for him it part because they figured okay. He can't any worse. Robert Alford was before he left And in yet Oliver started the season. Sort of really up and down And I would argue. He actually finished the back half season really strong even though his final. Pf Score made him twenty fourth on the team in in defense If you look at his performance first-half first second half. It's clear he improved. You Know He. He was a much better player in the second half of the year than he was in the first half. What are your thoughts on Oliver and maybe the potential for him to get better as you know as he gets more time in the league? Yeah I mean being in a cornerback is probably the most difficult job in the NFL. I think because you're it's such a passing league. You're on an island a lot of times. You know going against these guys who we know what they're doing but you have to figure out what they're doing and then react to it in real time like it's such a difficult position And I I can't say that enough but you know it's also one of those positions where you have to learn and you get a lot of experience based on how often you're out there and I think he's only going to get better. I mean you see defensive backs who get better over time. Like people idea sleigh who is with the Detroit Lions. They're not known the second thing. Walk Doc in the League they give better over time In get up to that status so I think you know I'm not saying he's GonNa be a you know an elite talent or anything but I mean author snow reasonable bail on him right now. It was his first year starting. Yeah exactly and then he finished the season with what three pass. deflections wins Yeah I mean I'm not I'm not going into the offseason question even though if you look at mock drafts Majority of them probably have looking at defends heads of Boura corner back as do every season But Yeah I'm not too worried What's dollar showed I? I know I do remember thinking at the beginning of the season how he kind of started off a little rough But you know he finished the season as you mentioned strong in the second half And in having new secondary coach who probably will help them Because I thought Cleveland second year was reading. I think that's where he came from most Kennel. Sheffield the the rookie. I feel like He. He showed a lot. He had the struggles. You expect out of a rookie corner tied athleticism as you mentioned earlier. Just a ton of speed. The ability ground. I'm very bullish on his potential He he obviously as a rookie This is not going to surprise anybody. He greeted house. One of our worst defenders for a very very tough position to learn the. NFL Avenue made a great point. And I think it bears repeating that you know of all physicians in the NFL. L. Usually corners considered the hardest to adapt to the NFL. So I'm that certainly how true but at minimum I think Sheffield showed potential He has kind of athleticism that can make him successful in this league Whether your thoughts on the rookie. And how he did this year. Yeah I mean you know when you look at when truffaut refund went down I think he came in and stepped up. You Know He. He did have some rookie mistakes and stuff like that. But it wasn't anything to where you know he got exposed in the Falcons lost because of it I mean obviously in this scenario. We're talking about where they bring back true. Fine you know he can play anymore. Nickel he is a great guy As I mentioned earlier one of the fastest in the draft. I might have even been asked as I'd have to look at his forty forty times but Yeah I mean I'm excited about him I don't have like a bad taste in my mouth about like Kendall. Sheffield or anything. So you know we usually after your rookie year you kind of have that concerned but a fourth round pick you know pretty good something something to look at this off season though is you know. I don't think they'll draft a defensive back high but will they look at one later in the draft probably as they always seem to look at that position mm-hmm because of how important it so you know and I feel like evolve positions on the field corners one. You could the draft almost every single year because they turn the turnover. That's why I never understand. What teams you know? It works out for some but the turnover over on defensive Or cornerback keep saying CORNERBACKS is so like so high. You think of that. One Guy who was with the raiders awesome awesome all or whatever right in then. He went to the eagles and everybody thought that was the super team and then he was nothing apart. Yeah because it's like one season you could literally only be great at a as being a cornerback in the next week absolutely trash. You know. It's just it's it's a tough position Especially when you're going from one team to another But yeah I mean you can't help but feel after this past season the young talent. We have act cornerback. I definitely don't have you know. Negative thoughts about him. I think they've shown that there's potential there And then you add in troop by. WHO's a veteran? Yeah got to feel good about it. But we'll see long as he can stay healthy. I think the one thing I find is he's you know he's been missing some games in the past few years and hopefully that is not a trend continues but at minimum a think true Oliver Sheffield field. There's a lot to like there. It's not a certainty nothing in the NFL certain especially especially this position. One last name while highlight bleeding rate Wilson. He finish the season really strong came in and filled in lot for true font. I think he He he had a really nice stretch of games with several pass breakups. Yes I think he had. He finished the season with six. Leave and You know sort of did what you want from a veteran and Stepped in in a pinch started in a good job so his he's another guy. A is under contract in twenty twenty. So you know the Falcons can bring him back for a relatively inexpensive deal. Yeah let's do it guys like that are hard to find so defense on the back. Half the the linebackers secondary. Give me your great. What do you think they deserve for the two thousand eighteen season? Yeah so I I gave if the defensive line a C. minus In total full full season for the CAF I don't know maybe a deep plus And that's because as I mentioned earlier the my grading scale is like in a year like elite talent So they're not no legion boom or anything like that and you know they were missing John O'Neill and they did have injuries. But you know there are certain games. Where are they played well and it was evidence of that but then there were certain games where I think they got exposed You just I mean you look at it like I don't know where they're playing. You Know Shawn Watson in the Houston Texans and that was an ugly game He was pretty much passing all appealed So like you know but you can pick all you I think. I don't think they were like garbage. is they weren't like an f minus or anything like that but there's always room for improvement. I think in the secondary especially when you do have an injury like that so yeah what'd you give them yeah I'm sort of leaning towards the same grade. You know a C- feels like it's giving them a little bit too much credit Unlike the defensive line which I feel like got significantly better a in the second half in in at least was consistently stopping the run. The secondary was a Siv for the first half of the year in really wasn't so the second half where they became less of Sort of expose a will say I felt like they did a good job against subpar are wide receiver talent. Like they did a good job walking down guys who weren't at the top list but when they did face some big names they generally give yards So go deep lessee minus in that range feels about right. I still bullish about their potential. You know as we mentioned I I still feel like this is a unit that can improve good bit next year. I don't you know you said that. Nothing in the echo it. I don't think they're going to be leading the boom. They're not going to be a top unit. But but I think that can be especially if you give them more of a pass rush more of a consistent pass rush they can be good enough unit that you can put together a top fifteen defense yesteryear and you don't need an elite secondary I mean you look at You know to just double back on him. I mentioned earlier. The Minnesota Vikings Stevens of line Just because I think a lot of people watch that game hoping the saints would lose and they did but You know you look at how their teams structured where they don't don't have the best defensive backs are actually missing cornerbacks they had Closes name. They had one of their better Lincoln on him. But one of their quarterbacks x went on I R and they were you know they were pretty fine. You know Michael. Thomas was essentially shut down Xavier. Rhodes you know. He's been getting exposed like all season But they have they have really good In Harrison Harrison Smith. They have really good safeties. And that's kind of what we have. You get that you add those is to pass rushers even one great pass rusher in all of a sudden you know it's GonNa make the secondary look better because the quarterback is going to be forced to make terrible throws like even the worse cornerback in the NFL are capable of doing their job You know if they have if they're left on the island because there there's no pass rush. I mean. A lot of quarterbacks are going to unless you got like Dion Sanders or something back there. They're going to struggle so you know. It has a great point so evan. Final thoughts on the defense Before we wrap up is podcast. I'm just glad being Quinn. Is it running it anymore. As we started the as we started past I think we should end it the same way. tastic Aston you just I mean you see the night and day difference between the in all Mitt. I'm one of the people that was like oh in Queens back to being the offensive coordinator like he was when we went to super bowl awesome. Wait it blew up the first day games were terrible and then I mean it could be the world's biggest coincidence but it isn't remorse stepped in In credit to Dan Quinn he basically said you know. I'm I'm sucking here do this right you know and I think that honestly is why he's still around because that that is an important thing to do because because a lot of these people have massive goes where they don't want to failure nope I nobody wants to admit failure. And that's essentially what he did by stepping back and letting more step in you know and that's the players love him that's the leader thing Double back to that. I mean that's just as important as anything I think is heaven players who actually wants to win for you You know not to just focus on Danny Quinn. But I think it's relevant here where you know. He has confidence taking. Moore's his job was on the line and he basically said redeem. I'm doing a terrible job here. You go run it and he ran it and honestly I think you're right. I think that is a big factor for why is allowed to come back. I mean he saved his job offense. You could argue play better but the defense you know really woke up. UH-HUH I mean you just look at the for me. I'm a big turnover guy. If you're winning the turnover margin you're GonNa win the game thing. I mean four turnovers. Over's Bhai the defense in the first eight games. That's that's so bad. They had the in the next time. They had turnovers against the Carolina Panthers. They had four so they matched the two games into remorse. Running the defense You know it's just it's night and day difference But I mean that's my overall thoughts and you know I don't WanNa be excited because his team stupid and likes to get our hopes up and just destroy them. But I'm more optimistic about this defensive Benson was say week eight or week nine You know I think remorse it should be a head coach. You know somewhere else probably pretty soon. We haven't for year next year. Yeah exactly You know so I mean we'll see we'll see what they add this off season I don't think the defense is terrible. I don't think people need to panic in growing more Honestly doing a pretty damn good job considering a yeah you know in the back half of the season now have a full offseason of being the defensive coordinator so now he can actually focus on you know because I believe he didn't he start the season as passing coordinator or something like that and it wasn't even on defense. Now with the Falcons on the defensive side about yeah but I mean like he went into the bye week in got the reins in his next opponent was at the New Orleans saints who I mean they were riding high at that point like nobody gave them a shot and we held them to nine points. I think what it also gets lost in that is they were also on a bi week so they had all that time to prepare for us as well so you know. I'm really high on rookie. Remorse I'm excited. I think the defense is only gonNA get better Or they should. I'll say that so. Yeah Yeah I've seen what happened. So as I think you you echoed it. You already said Dan Quinn's best move was firing Dan. Quinn and adversity fence was concerned. So what that means for twenty twenty. I'm not sure any of US know with any certainty but is minimum certainly made. It made the team interesting at least in in some of the wrong ways. Yeah so with that. We're going to wrap up this This review of the two thousand eighteen. Zhao Ken's defense. Evan wants you to our listeners where they can find you what you've got going on. Yeah you can find me on twitter at Burchfield in also writing for the Alchoholic. Lca Hollick You know I know. 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Who replaces Dan Quinn if he's fired mid-season?

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Who replaces Dan Quinn if he's fired mid-season?

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It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen any Ninja Warrior Fan who will take over for Dan Quinn if he's fired midseason and what will it take for Arthur blank to do that and is it all a moot point if the falcons can beat Aaron Donald Work here with the Falcons under Tomah trough and of course Sean mcvay went to a local Atlanta high school so he has a direct Atlanta connection so you on twitter at the site have been speculating about a coach Dan Quinn what will happen with him who may take over the team and we're going to discuss that on the is because one as you know my brand is to mock the saints mercilessly and they gave me pretty much endless ammo the way that the episode of the podcast my friend under normal circumstances nor podcast we would have some guests we ended up with some scheduling that we've found the bottom yet we are going up against the Sean McVeigh Rams and first thing I think we should acknowledge is a big the play this year but I got him not going to be too mad about it for those two reasons and it's a team that has some Atlanta connections the GM less need Houston view to the rams for knocking the saints out of the playoffs last year actually was it was great for me personally about where this team is headed some projections about what we think may happen over the next few weeks and where the season may end up on a lot of you certainly not where we thought the team would be the offense has played well the last two weeks the defense arguably has hit well I'd say hit rock bottom but podcast in the second half after we preview this upcoming rams game so gina obviously the Falcons are back home they are one in five I'm doing great David thank you how are you doing great I've I've missed doing the pod with you on the we've had some rough weeks here and we're in the midst of one but we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have getting to talk to guys like Aaron Donald and you know just it was a great experience so this is a team that I'm I think that they're GonNa light the Falcons up because we evolved bowl in the super bowl this past year and Atlanta and so they're actually they've got a lot of really good guys on that team I really offering them genuinely enjoy facebook messenger the Amphibian Samaritan the trash talker supreme the one that only touchdown balls she you will not be bossed Gina Online Thomas Gina how're you doing snafus that follow my court I apologize for that so we're GonNa talk a little bit about the rams game coming up in the second half of the podcast we're GONNA talk you're talking about the Falcons got some hard saulters I'm ready we are on brand and they knocked for that and then to one of the greatest experiences of my professional life was getting to cover the rams in super talk of victory is anybody you know without a bulldog on the roster that that's the word pretty cool I'm on hungrily or I don't know if you're played at the University of Georgia you may have heard he was player male missile podcasting the Falcons on the nation podcast network I am Dwi as always I'm joined by my co host the gym the powder of dogs person for name the quick draw McGraw owners who was their number one corner Who is one of the best ball hawks I think in the NFL since he's come into the league and then easily top three and I think on many many lists he would be the number one corner in the League so they are saying he's a little bit better Kazmin so that I can get absolutely so the rams come into this game with some really really interesting trades that happened speeders but then turn around and get Jalen Ramsey in the door so I think there was this brief moment where people are like hey you know the rams don't have Marcus Peters immediately turned around and Delta `way two first round draft picks to the Jaguars to sign and bring in Jalen Ramsey which was quite the move to get rid of market a little bit we're we're not going to touch that one but so Jalen Ramsey comes in a road ahead of time knowing that I would have a busy schedule and I had to make two edits because they traded away earlier in the week traded away Marcus this week in fact the trades were inconvenient to me because I wrote my normal series of the Falcons offense versus the upcoming defense last time we played the rams and I should point out you know to be fair to the Falcons that they've had pretty good success against the rams in recent years they beat them in the playoffs keep to leave and everyone was sort of like celebrating we're going to pass on them and then they signed Jalen Ramsey towns I think the I think he is arguably the best player plager- not the best defensive tackle but the player Ali Donald looked like he was a running back for the falcons because he was in our backfield so often is that good and I think anyone who looks at the numbers and says oh he doesn't care as a rookie he is calling out Aaron Rodgers leg I love that swagger and yeah I mean he's a great addition and I bet that he will have a lead rams I do think this year is clearly different but one thing that stood out to me at least in the two thousand seventeen playoff game was erin okay this Aaron Powell I'm watch them play but yeah I am I fear for our quarterbacks life and I'm game against the Falcons I think you'd be hard pressed to find a corner in the league that many people would say is better than Jalen Ramsey he he is obviously going to make that secondary pretty stout and I don't know if you've heard of this player named Aaron Donald who is in the middle of their defensive line but some people tell me this guy is actually fairly decent what's your take on their donald my take on him is that he is a generational not even joking like I am legitimate about the indomitable and whatever the Falcons offensive line is going to look like the summit the terrible news against the absolute best player in the NFL in like you said not the best defensive tackle now that the best defense player the best player period that any position on Thursday from limited participation in practice to out and so that means that we're likely looking at you know that's just not an encouraging development two thousand seventeen they beat them during the season the two thousand sixteen so they're they have you know they've they've been pretty good against the Sean her situation with the stat sheet you don't always see his impact in in black and white and writing after the game but you do see it job for the most part even this season when he's had instability on either side of him but going into this week you know we had James Carpenter downgraded on a Thursday which is when recording we'll see what happens tomorrow but if that stands then we're looking at Joan Brown and West Schweitzer he has been battling some injuries he's got the arthritis issues thinker well-publicized this point I I feel like Gena his he may do against Alex Mack Carpenter and Brown noddy realizing at the time that carpenter was getting downgraded so obviously he is just I mean he is one of my favorite Mon Falcons players in the League one because attitude that he plays with I think that he is aware he says whatever months it You know Alex Mack is is great he has been an exceptional center for his entire career he has anchored this line and he has really done an admirable ounce back game is going to be Sunday I just hope but what's your take on Todd Gurley what do you think he's going to do against the Falcons defensive front eruptions doesn't necessarily show up at sheet but he is disruptive on almost every play I mean grading jared actually has kind of a similar point I really should not be needling are fans oh you should not away not with the way that will weigh in the sports are going please no I cope I'm not looking forward to go and in you know in my show notes we'd put together before we prepare the podcast I actually had a note about what you want to forget that I ever liked football and never won't four prospects honest hundred seventy five yards yeah I mean frankly if I would start anybody who's playing against his falcons defense are as a matter yeah so the interesting thing you mentioned this name earlier in its Todd Gurley he is a player that if you at those positions and Holy Shit I but the thought of Donald going up against West lights are makes me his sack totals or down he's not having a good season you aren't watching Aaron Donald if you're looking at the numbers this man is still dominant se has been his right we all know that he's got him on a pitch count like we all we all know I every everybody knows that you if you have one of the best running backs in the National Football League and Europe he is really he is a transcendent talent the one thing that I would like to say about Aaron Donald is that murder as Mobile Matt Ryan on Sunday that I think the rams have a huge advantage with and that's their wide receivers against our secondary I think Jared Goff is unknown on the field of play he is very disruptive Donald is that like times a million he just a very special player and my biggest concern right now is the instead one last match up I want to talk about and this is one I think that may you know many falcons fan should be mindful of because it's arguably the one are barely there's a reason but you know for girly sake for the sake of those two fantasy teams I'm hoping that that rest is enough for him first one wide receiver running back or tight end from the Falcons opponent and I have one money almost every week are some of the place fantasy football and you bought into girly early you may be very upset with how his season has been going clearly weather slot receivers in the league this is a really really good trio of receivers not to mention they've got Everett they've got higby Hugh Leagues and so I will say last week Gurley was out I think he may be Contrast I think that you know mcvay just needs to get over ends in total than even the Falcons do and that's saying a lot and they're going up against Isaiah Oliver Kendall Sheffield because Desmond true is brandin cooks they're all boom or bust but but the Falcons defense provides an opportunity for every options to have a receivers you've got Robert Woods who is I think a fairly good receiver you've got brandin cooks who has I think arguably one of the fastest making decent planes and that's a good thing for a rookie cornerback so I was really pleased with Sheffield's by but in the grand scheme it I'm horrified by that but at the same time I like money and I like winning and so it's not a bad strategy it's I can't argue again and so that's my concern Sheffield played really well last week for the most part I only noticed him when he was mountain be productive just maybe not this week except that I've seen this defense play and so I do feel running for four achievers in the League and he's shown McVeigh's I mean yes and then you've got Cooper Cup who is arguably one of the the minute CFS strategy. I don't know if you know you know our our listeners are aware of I'm I'm pretty enter draftkings I usually delete every week you can it tight end argued in article that's going to land this week that the rams may have a better arsenal of offensive weapon follow me on twitter and get in on that action if you're interested just let me know but Anyway Mayan Strategy lately is to start the quarterback and well my take on the Falcons Defense as that this is get right team and buy get right there right I mean that whoever is playing should now with Antonio Brown said at home and so I'll do have top caliber talent but as far as you know having set the talents the rams are in stronger position and so yeah I think that this is one that and of course now that I'm saying all of this out loud the Falcons will probably make quantity for the most part and I think if we're going to slow him down Grady Jarrett is GonNa be because it's GonNa be Great at times to what we're looking at the rand we're not going to be playing in this game and Demonte Z.. And Ricardo Allen and Kamala Schmil on the back end how do you feel about this matchup let's have because Austin Hooper has really emerged as one of the better tighter Trimble League and who is the best wide receiver in the League a debt that's not even you know those guys that gough is more stable in the pocket so do you think that maybe this is a game where the Falcons defensive line finally wakes up from their slumber and maybe takes advantage offensive line or do you think that's wishful thinking so one of the issues with the Ranch Offensive Line that Roger Saf old who had been jared Goff who is not the mobile quarterback that a keiler Murray as that you know some of the guys faced Marcus Mariota bench you know I had a lot of these rams players on various AMC teams and I can tell you guys guys like woods guys like top guys leg gough is that he struggles to read defenses before anybody gets their hopes up the falcons defense is basically like the damn ABC's and not a healthy relationship So yeah I mean I do think that is one of the issues will stop I think that that's part of the reason that he doesn't react offensive line they're not playing particularly well a lot of people are saying you want to look at the rams offensive struggle really starts in the middle it starts with the I hope that because off does have those weaknesses because they do have that softness in the center of their line I am a grady Jarrett I have completely eighth and that he will put everything out there on Sunday and he will do s to disrupt Goff's game and I think that he will succeed a decent amount of time I Liam this is really unfortunate match out for our defense I mean they they really do have I wouldn't say that they have like the caliber of talent moves Alkan I don't know that it will be another as I the best way to explain it we're going to need guys like clayborn McKinley Beasley to show up as well either way in the last thing what point and I really have no idea what the making this the rams right now have a struggle there are lots make when you're talking about people who thought Gurley was a good option for fantasy I feel personally attacked because that was the end less of what we saw the past three weeks whether that happens or not I think remains to be seen so with that there center in regards they're not playing at a very high level in it sort of is an area where you would think Greg Jarrett could have an impact on this game and I think particularly in the last three weeks they haven't so arguably I think the last time these guys showed up was against the eagles in week two so we need more of that and so this is going to have as much of a challenge two ways as quickly I think it's because he struggles to read defenses I don't think that he will have as much trouble with US Falcons defense we have all seen it all season you know predictions on the were leaning having looked you know these two rosters and and how they match up I think the match ups are really the key longest tenured player with the rams he left and free agency a land below the titans and so that does create instability in the center and one of the issues discover three out here and it's like you know soft zone and very easy to pick apart I mean it's just not it doesn't present much of a challenge so events that is deeply deeply troubling I think that we see another thirty plus point performance from them this week at home so I'm thinking it's going to be somewhere in the ball losses in multiple weeks and yet that's where I'm at I think it's going to be something akin to like last week where it'll be a joint idiot but I'll take it I'm not either I'm right or the Falcons play well so I went thirty eight like it'll be something completely ridiculous like I'm with you I've I can't remember a time where I've predicted Falcon the field goal the the loss is not solely on him. If you still lose you should not giving up over thirty points per game every night so I think it will end like thirty five thirty three rams with the Falcons failing to convert two point conversion because someone fumbles of out of the her how do you think this one's going to play out on there I think that it's going to be close enough a really pissed me off one in six with one game remaining before the bye week i WanNa talk about what that could potentially mean for this coaching staff for the remainder of the season and even going into the following year into twenty twenty but before we have that conversation we're GonNa take a quick break we'll be right back check out the American park of you know well now I've got to do Football Matha my head rings forty one did it will be a high game because we've seen what the Falcons offense can do I mean the fact that they've put up thirty plus two weeks and Ham when those games because the DC old Todd Gurley and the rest of the rams Sunday all of that is next with Gina Thomas in Me David Walker on this week's alcoholic podcast back of the end zone or something something random that will just piss off and reminds us at the Falcons always find new ways to to crush our hearts our souls one universal earth about the Atlanta Falcons that's right there so if the Falcons lose that will take them you know from like Matt Bryant in fans are GonNA blame him for that game I'm going to reiterate this this this sort of got on my nerves when your offense scored thirty three points in your kicker Mrs also I really do love this team they just have hurt me so I think it's it's not a healthy relationship if we're being honest excited prepared and is under percent on the coaching staff just sell Barna everybody in that was not Matt Ryan Snow Hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown forecast avengers of college football podcast it says edgeware podcasts for a behind the scenes look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts up roads we really really truly and deeply appreciate it thanks guys we'll talk with you next time right before the bye week the team that arguably got him this job to begin with the team he came from so we both predicted the rams loss I think want to take college football exactly seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP and we're back on the alcoholics podcast this is David Walker. Dwi Back with you with my co host Thomas and there are multiple things at play here and I would say the chief among them is the fact that Arthur blank has recently experienced winning a championship in middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you I said the only way he would fire him at the mid point of the season would be if he goes into the bye week at one in seven right now a pass to fire coaches midseason I still think there's an element of that there I think you have some insight into that so give me your thoughts what you think of my my sort of prediction that one and seven is the breaking point where you think this may fall out we'll Dan quimby casualty the bye week how does this flush out in your mind so you are podcasts articles I've said I think consistently for the past several weeks I think the only way Arthur blank moves on from Dan Quinn you can look at seahawks and very easily think yet that could be another loss so I want your take because we we've talked about this before and Arthur blank's hesitance in we're talking about the Falcons two thousand eighteen season and where this thing is going to play out I have gone on the record both on radio certainly in the united they just one and December and they've one other trophies since then like I don't really follow soccer because I only have so much other one in five they face the rams at home and they turn around and how is this for irony if it's the game that decides his fate he will play the seahawks repaint for the players and all that kind of stuff so I also think that everybody likes Dan Quentin the queen is a genuinely good person I have a before the end of the season is if the falcons go into the bye week by week as week nine so it's perfect split eight games before games after out of respect for him and I like him a whole lot here's the thing though I think that now that blank knows what it feels like to see a team that he owns actually win at all remember two thousand two thousand seven yeah that Bobby Katrina less snuck out of town in the middle of the night and all that kind of bullshit and so that was obviously midseason we have seen specific examples where he is reticence about that you know Jim Mora flat out said he wanted to be a college coach blanked kept him around says the most is the most absurd collapse in a super bowl ever in the history of the NFL that's the that's the closest that he has I think that he wants more of that and I think he sees the money that he has pumping into this team is not getting the closest the closest sandwich for pro sports and the ones that I do like a really my spare Lemay says I'm a falcons rains in cavs fan so please pray for me Ezra because at that point it's obvious that he's not going to turn around and so you're asking him to do is basically jeopardize his future in season You Know Jerry Glanville I think it was he only fired him because land bowls like what you're gonNA fire majors new now and then of course we all and it gets lit a fire under blank to you know maybe make some harder decisions I also think in this as a speaking to your point about if to make him you know slog through the shit show of the season he's jeopardizing his future his his his future as a coach and so into the bye week with just one win I don't know how you look at this as as somebody who likes and respects Dan quarry deal I don't know how you don't want to put him out of his I think at some point to you have to do I mean like I sound like I'm talking about you know dealing with an aging pets or something but you know increase you gene Robinson getting busted for solicitation than losing in spectacular fashion and so that that has kind of jeopardize his ability to get jobs in the future if he continues trotting out this kind of performance every week yeah I don't want to be unemployed forever I think that he has the potential thank you in what I do think in the past I think that blink understands then ferried disruptive it's Higher Code that will stay the execution until the end of the year yeah and I think that it should because if he's able to pull off wins against two teams that should be it'll be a great coach it's just he's not getting through to these players sometimes players just need a different voice and I think that that's maybe where we are with this team but Dan Quinn is a good install Matt Ryan needs is an adequate defense and if Dan Quinn can get this motley crue play adequate defense and yeah I mean if Quinn wins the next two games and gets the team to three and five at the by so a win against the rams followed by a win against the seahawks do you think I and I completely agree and I think for the exact same reasons plus just from a pure mathematics standpoint three and five in theory you could finish eleven five now will they finished eleven five I mean that's a pretty that you're talking about them winning ten straight games we are that this is not the best thing for the team and I think it's becoming clear that this situation is not what's best for when either and so then I think that a real leader has to me and yet wins and especially if the offense can keep reforming like it has because all the defense needs to be adequate and you I mean you must be so tired and do you think that it's going to take a one in seven or maybe even the two and six record or let me let me restate it this way you acted I think that if you if you go into the by and you were not statistically out of it yeah I think you have to say okay three I think this offense the sky's the limit and they have played the past two weeks in ways that should have won them gains it was completely on the defense that they didn't win those and Yeah I think we've said there for like five years since we've been doing this podcast I have said those words a million tender for playoff spots in the NFC I think he should get a shots keep it going if if you if the team responds if they improve if they responded seems like a stretch for the way they've performed up to this point but then again you know we've this is the one thing I love about the NFL is that you person with the right

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The Falcoholic Live, Ep139: Josh Harris & Live Falcons Mock Draft

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The Falcoholic Live, Ep139: Josh Harris & Live Falcons Mock Draft

"Falco hall podcast listeners. Welcome to another. Episode of the falcons live. This is your host. Kevin night reminding you to check out. The show live on youtube on wednesday nights at eight ten pm. Eastern to check out our patron page where you can unlock exclusive perks including access to a patron. Qna and a. session where we take falcons questions for about thirty minutes to an hour. That's a lot of fun. You could find that page at patriotair dot com slash alchoholic love. Thank you all for listening. And we hope you enjoy. Today's episode fellow alcoholics. What is up. Welcome to episode one. Thirty nine of the falcon hollick live. I'm your host. Kevin knight joined by a wonderful guest. This evening he is. Josh harris. The falcons longtime long snapper at a you. Jay harris on twitter josh. How are you doing this evening. Doing great doing great. Thank you guys for having me on the comport to talk a little bit with your with you. Absolutely we're excited to have you. Man are also joining us. We have full house of co host this evening. First of all we have eric robinson he is underscore. Eric underscore robinson on twitter. Eric how are you this evening. Doing pretty good man. I kind of wish you just you know has some stuff to talk about on this episode's an outside of josh's interview course there's literally nothing going on. Yes which is why. We've got a live mock draft for you guys because there is nothing going on unless you wanna talk. No offensive josh andrews. But i don't think we could fill an hour of airtime talking about josh andrew. So we're going to have to do a mock draft which i know you guys have been looking forward to as well so don't worry about that also with us tonight. We have evan burchfield at the very easy to remember. Evan burchfield on twitter evan. How're you doing doing online josh. And get your questions for me and you can ask him. Yup yup dies. You could definitely get any questions for josh in. The chat will try to get to as many of those as we can throughout the evening and we also have a very special guest with us. The man the myth the legend at the falcon hollick himself. Dave show dave. How are you this evening doing grid. Glad to be here absolutely always always. We can get dave on here you know. I think dave enjoyed the last mock so much tempted him. Back with the potential of the mocks. So open this time. We can trade down enough to pick up every pick in the draft. I believe in. Yeah we can do it if we try hard enough. I'm sure you know the teams in these mock draft scenarios. They seem very willing to play along with our shenanigans so That's definitely helpful. I don't know that the real nfl would be that open to that but we can dream. That's what this is all about. Also with us tonight will mcfadden at will mcfadden. Twitter will how are you this evening. I'm doing well. Thanks kevin. i'd also like to remind you josh. That you are tight. End at least in the eyes of badme so don't don't discount yourself there. You got some some receiving skills. Apparently in you know game world. I don't know where they got those stats from or those numbers. But eh the more you can do right the more you can do. That was always our biggest conversation. Every time madden came out it was like why do they keep having long tight ends with a forty grade. Like that's man it's that's all right. That's part of the gig. Yeah well that's that was what was funny. I think it was in madden twenty. You had a great forty seven and your number was forty seven so that always confused me. Because i was like wait. So that's also it's insulting to long snappers to make you a forty seven. You know just to be fair but hey what can we do. There's too many problems with madden's to get to in one episode. So i don't. I don't know if we have enough time for all that. Yeah yeah that's a really intense discussion. Know maybe for later in the offseason but josh really excited to have you here obviously i believe you are the third longest tenured player on the roster. At this point you've seen a li- you've been through multiple coaching staffs going into a third one now. So it's just i definitely curious some of the stories over the years but my first question is something lighter topic to start us off on. Have you been able to do anything. Find this off season. I know everyone's been locked down and stuff like that but if you had a chance to relax do anything interesting this offseason. Yeah we've We've we've been able to to spend some time together as as a family. I was to take a trip with my wife Few weeks ago we went up to the north carolina up into the mountains and so got to get away a little bit there but we got three little ones at home so getting them to and from school. You know busy. With a lot of activities. There were going on spring break next week. So next week we'll get our beach trip and and We'll get to spend some time down there and And enjoy it. that's great. Yeah sounds sounds good. My brother was just in miami. Luckily he arrived after the lockdown at ended so it wasn't completely closed down but yeah hopefully you'll have better luck if you next week tab that area of the country so guys i definitely would open up The rest of you. If you have any questions for josh feel free you get those out there. And i'll be checking the chat as well for other questions but yeah go ahead yeah. I've got one you know josh. I think you're in a really unique and interesting position. Kind of being the the bridge between two real fan favorites in matt bryant and young lay and You know i'm just curious if you've seen any maybe similarities. In the way that they approach you know their job their roles That has led them to be very successful for for this team. And also maybe some differences that you've seen. I know both guys have very different personalities. Having having talked to to both of them but know what are the comparisons. And maybe the contrast between those two. While i'll start with the biggest contrast and that would be that to my knowledge young way as always kicked with both clips on And matt ryan bryant used to be a barefoot at kicker way back in his college days so that that could be one of the What what are the main differences for them there but i do see a lot of similarities in a lot of it comes in just their approach to the game and you know the position that they have on the team and the work ethic that they have to. You know i guess you know. Prepare themselves the best way that they know how you know. Not just during the off season you know and fine. Tuning their Their skill and their craft but during the season. And making sure that you know in any given moment whether it's in practice or in a game that they're stepping up and they're ready to go whenever their numbers called and that's something that you gotta want you gotta want that moment and that's something that both of them definitely Exhibit and something. That i think is very you know. Very good trait to have at any position. But especially the kicker possession men thanks so much. Yeah absolutely Want to give you guys thrifty guys opportunity to get any questions and you have as well so whoever would like to go next minds up. Go ahead eric. What you meant to touch a little bit on your your high school background because of course. I'm pretty sure you didn't play long. Snapper your entire life. Of course you had other positions that you got in in other aspirations give the fans a little bit of insight or your high school career. Yeah i I played three sports from the time i was. You know nine years old all the way through high school so there was never really an offseason but for football specifically snapping wasn't the only position that i played You know during high school. And so i did that on top of playing defense mainly and i played linebacker plates defensive end i was running back Earlier in my childhood days there or may not be some Some highlights tape of that way. Way down deep in the in the closet but Defense was was my role. I enjoyed it. I love everything about it and you know even now as a snapper still you know. It's a unique position. Because i get to go from playing offense to dan immediately playing defense again and so get to kind of do the same things that That i used to do in high school. But i just enjoy. The game of football is incredible and being able to play as many positions. Play as many sports as possible. I think it is huge. The whole idea of specializing just playing one position or one sport. You know the. I don't think works for everybody and i'm just glad that i got the opportunity to to experience a lot of different sports a lot of different positions. And here i am now is one of the most obscure positions on the team as a snapper which it everybody's got a crazy story and that just happens to be mine so which is telling me is almost ten years. We've had as rusher just sitting on a bench. It's just there. There's been a really good A picture from high school days that used to float around some team meetings every now and then you know shoulder pads were like twelve sizes too. Big a risk taped off. I'm just working a an offensive tackle. The probably get to a sack or at least that's my story and i'm sticking to. It could have been good for you. Know for at least at least a pass rushing specialist and lease quickly pirates. Yeah yeah yeah. I guess not reminds me of a question i had was that as obviously playing long snapper. You'll be active every game. Have you actually been cross trained to play any positions as like an emergency backup for for any other positions on the roster at any point during your time in atlanta. yes and no Not not not really in depth. I run down on kickoff cut coverage teams as of the scout team. You know stand in anywhere. I need to on scout teams for For special teams but also play a little scout team. Tied in the are walk throughs. I've been at quarterback during linebacker drills. I've played a linebacker in a like a seven on seven red zone situation before so it kind of sprinkled in here and there but at the end of the day my my job to to snap the ball and But i'm there to do and help in any any way that i can listen the more you can do the better off. You're going to be so i. I'm happy to fill in wherever they wherever they need me. Yeah i was gonna say. Should we read into the fact that you're listed as a linebacker on your google profile. Your your linebacker. Their plans for your bullets for dave. You're blitzen from everywhere long snapper included. We're all linebackers in the dean. The yes yeah. that's great. Yeah that's very interesting. yeah. I don't know if anybody else had any questions. They want to get into as well. Josh who will go ahead of me. Yeah people still later on. You know i don. I wanted to ask questions but there was one thing that would i not sure. And he told me a funny story that i tried to get into words but it just like doesn't translate as well josh. If you don't mind tell tells story about the The the team employees who had no idea like who were that sounds good to me. Yeah i mean. There's there's a few of those stores. But i know which one you're talking about So a few years ago we were playing seattle on a monday night at seattle and we got back. I mean at probably six seven o'clock the next morning and we were going into the facility to get some tape review film review recovery type stuff After the game walking up the staircase to our special teams coaches office and A guy that works in the The it department was coming down the stairs and he looked at me and he goes all man. You'll long night. I said yeah it was and then he goes Well did you go to the game. And i just kind of looked at him. I said yeah. Yeah i went. I went yeah late night late night. We're we're we're back in it now. So that's just part of the as part of a life of being the snapper and there's a bunch of other stories similar to that that I can tell as well but that's a good one. That's funny disrespect more. That's all right. That's all right. Yeah okay. I believe will had a question as well so go ahead will. Oh why. I was just a kind of just wondering you know you. You've done with the team for such a long time and there have been some really good special teams players on on this group. Like who who do you view as like the best special teams player that they have played with the years. Probably a lot of gunners like eric weems or the likely tap that you know who are the guys that you've kind of had the most admiration for. Yeah i would i would start. I my my rookie year. Antone smith who also like every time he touched the ball on offense or it was crazy. I every running ads. Like a forty yard touchdown run but to watch him like the grit that that that he played with was unbelievable. I mean to run the way that he could make plays Any position on special teams was was special. And then you mentioned eric williams. I mean that guy was a legend in the special teams world. And he i got a chance to to play with him for a few years and he was a personal protector on the punt team. So we got to work really closely together and we had to be all on the same page with that protection calls and things like that and it was a true pro he. He knew his role and he executed it better than you know a lot. A lot of people give him credit for and justin bethel falls into that category as well. I mean we had him on the team just a few years ago and Do all those guys just the amount heart and the want to that. It takes to play special teams. All those are just a few guys that you know i. I could talk about a a teammate. That i've had it's out there on special teams whether those but it takes a special type of guy to wanna go out and do that type of dirty work. And i just have this tremendous amount of respect for for everybody that goes out there and does the job that we're required to do and You know some have had just been stellar. Just you know above average obviously names and people that have done a great job for us spend. i'm glad to have been able to call them teammate. Yeah and I also have kind of one followed for that is can you walk us through a little bit of the relationship in the conversations that like you and sterling hoffer actor has compared to like you boxer like just the relationship i guess between a long snapper and a and a placeholder like what is what does that like. What are you guys work on throughout the week and going into a big kick or something. Yes so a lot of that especially this year with sterling This past season yeah. This was his first time holding. So that was a big deal you know and it was important for us to be able to get on the same page and be able to have our operation down And not to wear. Cou could trust it and really. That's that that's ultimately the the main goal is you know everybody needs to be on the same page and we all have to be able to trust each other and that's something that you can really only get through repetition and practice we can. We can talk about it but until you're actually out there catching snaps and throwing balls back there to him. You know. that's where you're gonna figure out. Where does he catch it. You know how far away from his body does he catch the ball. That's gonna affect how far the balls traveling obviously which is also gonna affect how many times how fast the That ball is rotating and so where he catches it where the laces are where he catches it. That's something that we all have to figure out and make sure that we can do that consistently so that coup doesn't have to places and you know he keeps booting them through and that's pretty that's for every holder you know what it was the same with bosscher or any of the other guys that we've had that have come in and it's the same with as well and it's something. We'll continue to work on and wrapping. Get as good as we. Can you know give possibly can at it damn this. This process is so fascinating. I it was. I wish it was like talks about more popular in like it. Just the accuracy in the ability that you can do this like strike after strike after show. It's like it's like a pitcher in like just the ability to have the command to do it like you can't mess up. Frankly like you care. And that's right. I wish i got more respect. Yeah i agree. I i laugh them like yeah. You know the a quarterback that has you know x. Amount of you know completion percentage or whatever you know all this guy. This guy made the pro bowl this year with a kick a field goal percentage of ninety percent. I'm like man. I ninety percent. Completion percentage on my snaps. Like i wouldn't be out for very long. You know look look at it. this way. you're the league's best like seven yard. Passer upside the highest rate in that category right there. Yeah exactly yeah. And that's that's one of the more interesting things right at. It's long. Snapper is a position that you probably. It's kind of like a catch twenty two because it'd be nice if everyone knew who you were but if everyone knows who you are probably means something bad happened and that's kind of the nature of the nfl. Unfortunately so doing your job. Only the people that really pay attention Might know who you are on a daily basis interesting dichotomy of being anonymous. But it's for the right reasons. So yeah i guess one of the things i'm curious about is when you knew that long snapper was going to be your home. Was it once you've got to auburn or was it even before that it was. It was definitely when i got to auburn Because it really wasn't even until i graduated high school that i realized snapping was something that could give me a chance at the next level and i grow growing up a huge auburn fan. That was the only place I wanted to go. And i just showed up to the walk on trial the morning of the first and the first day of classes in two thousand seven and a half through that season i got a call to come out to the team and that was kind of the moment wires. I said okay. Well now. All i'm going to do is snap and i would kind of ask him if i could do anything else if they needed. Help doing stuff and it was to a certain degree. Maybe not so much my first couple years but it was no. You know you don't need to be doing now. We don't need to get you hurt running down on kickoff and us not really body the ball or something like that. So yeah what college where snapping it was. The only thing one wants to kill anybody. That's what that will do. Good tackles in my career. I've got. I've got some pictures hanging up that That had some good fit the the from some good tackle. So that's the last thing they needed. Where you you know running down bobby boucher some times. Sometimes it reminds me of moore. Anderson the falcons kicker from like before matt ryan or matt bryant. Told me a story of you know he. He was in a position where he was the last line of defense for a a kick return for a touchdown and he generously declined to make the tackle attempt on this huge human being more than anderson. Not exactly the most story tackler and coach got onto him and he said you know coach. You don't pay me to do. Coach was like took him aside and was like you know you're right but like just don't say that for the team again. Okay reminds me of that but no you fast. Go ahead go ahead. We'll did did malcolm or not. Now kenyan ever talk about that tackle that you had on. Speaking of special teams tackles in carolina. So that was that was bosch but bosch goddamn sorry about that anyway because when when kb came on you know and obviously embossed we're going back and forth about you know the play the hit and all this that and the other you know. He's looking at me and me being. Kp would go back and forth from our auburn and oregon national championship game against each other. Where tackled him. Or i'd say i tackled him. I was in on a tackle. I'll put it that way. But but when i told the story join you know i had to pull the picture up and show him where. There was a picture of me tackling in in the championship game. So that's my story. But hey that he's he's one of the best he's a he's a great dude and happy for him he just wanted to another super bowl. I think that's his third now. So he's he's balling. Thank you for saving me on that. Just taking credit for like. Oh yeah. I see should. Because i wrote a great tweet about the boston that i was ready to. Just give it all to you josh. I was going to be like man. That was the best tackle. It was pretty great. I wish i could. But i can't take the credit for that one. Yeah now i mean honestly like you do. I think it's almost every year you've had you've had tackles on specialty of so. No one can accuse you of not trying to tackle here and there. So it's that linebacker background coming through. So yeah rose exactly right. Yeah i guess my next question is know you played with a lot of different team members. Obviously several different coaching staffs now. Who are some of the your favorite guys that you just that you worked with that you hung out with over the course of of your time with the falcons. Oh goodness well. I mean this is. The easy answer is obviously the all the specialist. I mean we're kind of in our own world you know. I mean even at practice. We're on our own field until it's our period you know to come in and and do our part but so obviously bosscher and bryant You know obviously now sterling and coup but but everybody that has come through whether it's been a guy that's been here for a couple of weeks filling in for an injury. You know always just trying to make time to To introduce obviously myself my family. Welcome into the home if that works out But i tell you what we've had a lot of really great Guys on the falcons over the years. Both coaches and players you know. Julio jones has been one of the most professional human beings. I've ever been around in my life and you know what he does on the field. Each and every day i think is only overshadowed by the type of person that he is off the field and You know that shows and you know how he interacts with everybody in the locker room and everybody in the building and there's there's so many others that really could could say you know i'll just stop there for 'cause i don't wanna i don't wanna leave anybody out if you're right. Yeah i don't think you have to worry about them watching the show. If i'm being honest or not well you never know. You never know so. You know it's cool though. Sanal see you know. Some guys that you know are being. You know inducted into the hall of fame you know that. Were teammates or that. I played against you know and stuff like that. So that's that's really neat to be able to see that and Tony gonzales being one of those guys and You know just kind of neat to be able to to say shared locker room and and game day with with some of those guys that have made. This grant made this game. You know great long before. I was here and It's just it's fun to be able to share in some of those moments with them you have you have a couple more in a few years. No doubt doubt jackets. Def yeah i think so for sure. Yeah yeah you guys have have any other questions for josh. Go header give you. The answer is yes kevin. Yes i want to know. What was the recruiting process. Like you coming out of high school. Recruited you offered short answer. Nobody i i didn't have you know i guess i had some letters from Some schools for a walk on position. bows i was never offered any any money or any type of scholarship to to to go play anywhere I got a letter from birmingham southern and it was going to be their first year ever having a team and i remember thinking like i might be a cool opportunity Might be able to actually play. But at the end of the day. I i grew up like i said big auburn fan only place i wanted to go and i figured you know what the heck if i if i try out and they say no then at least i. I gave it a shot. I didn't wanna look back. You know years later and wonder you know what what could have been. You know if. I didn't at least show up that morning and snap a few balls to to coach so it was really cool. How it all worked out. Or we sure birmingham. Southern is not like a school in downtown. Birmingham's a never before we are. We are sure actually know somebody who played for birmingham southern shout. Shout out birmingham. Southern i guess there you go. Yeah josh i actually inadvertently. I think i watched a game of yours at auburn. I was visiting a friend who who ended up signing with auburn to play offensive tackle. And i was there. And he kinda got me in as a recruit which is a total joke. Because i should not have been recruited tight auburn but by the whole light end zone seat with your family the wristband to get the food and like go in the tunnel and everything under hat like during halftime and that was the twenty eleven season. So i think you guys were playing some probably school or whatever but It was definitely a blowout victory. So before i met you play where exactly. Yeah all right. Dave your turn. Now i know you've got something so yeah no. I was just wondering what your first impressions of monarchy's williams are so far. Seems like a really cool guy interested to see as a first time. Special teams coach. How he's connecting early on. Oh yeah. I've a chance to To meet with marquees a few different times and actually last year when we played detroit Had a pretty lengthy conversation with him during pre game Which was kinda cool. Because when he came in and gave me a call to say that you know maybe he was coming to atlanta. He remembered that conversation that we had. and so. it's kinda neat. How how that all works out. But he's had some experience with With coup as well back with Back with the chargers a few years ago and so he comes in Obviously detroit had a really good Special teams unit The last couple years while he's been there and so really looking forward to working with him and learning from him and and going out there and And making a difference on special teams. You know it's a third of the game and we're you know our jobs to bring the juiced affect field position and put points on the board create turnovers all the above you know. And that's that's what i think he's going to bring and Bringing good attitude to come in and be ready to to go out there and play. That's also. I'm definitely excited to see. You know if anything is different you know when you have a new staff. Obviously things are going to change. It's just kinda hard to quantify beforehand but it's very exciting and yeah it seems like they have a very good mix of they have a very experienced guy and hoffman and then they have a younger guy williams kind of like a rising star so i think they have a great mix some excited to see how you guys do this year with this new coaching staff which obviously fans are very excited about so all right. I did have an interesting question for. I promised i would ask from from kills creates one of our longtime viewers. He wants to know if you're an anime fan josh. No unless family guy counts like family. Gun probably doesn't count. I assume he means like jack. But yeah so there you go now. You know for sure. It was his burning question. I guess so. Is that a burning question for everybody though. Like i want to see everybody. Come on and get asked that just yet. Maybe we should just now just so. We have like a log of who who does anime on team. We need a spreadsheet. Yeah we're gonna get on that but yeah i know. A lot of fans are very appreciative of you coming on because know people don't think long snapper often but i think it's like will had said it's a very unique perspective on the team. Very unique interactions very unique things that the long snapper does you know with the with the holder and the kicker that the normal fan doesn't get to see much of that you know except the final end result on game day and it's fascinating to hear you talk about that. We do appreciate that all right. Yes so anybody else have questions for josh tonight. I've got kind of like a more off. You know not football oriented but more just like in the facility aid. You have a go to meal for lunch and be. What was the best lunch table that you ever saw throughout your career with falcons just like that. I want to be at that lunch table. They have the best conversations goodness. I don't really have a to meal a mix it up to keep the body guessing little bit Hit a salad bar every once in a while you gotta go with the old line. I mean the conversations that those guys have i mean. That's that's you gotta get on those and so those lunch tables were probably the best. And i guess. I'm kind of an offensive. Lineman i mean you know a little bit. So there's there's a little bit of a gray area there. So i would by myself at that table from time to time and always enjoyed my time with those guys ceylan gary just talking about him. Twenty four seven t that. Yeah go ahead. i didn't mean time off. I think might instill later something. Go go ahead josh ship. It no i was just joking saying usually my my conversations with caleb had been around hunting so been able to take him out and so we we enjoy that and so it's got in common nice very cool. Yeah go ahead i. I don't know if you're allowed to answer this. I guess you are but Did you have thoughts on there being an extra game now. Yeah i mean obvious. Last year with the negotiation of of the cba You know that seventeenth game was something that was brought up and able to put into play. Obviously the owners just did that recently and it is an extra game but you know my thoughts on it. Or what are the player's receiving in return for that seventeenth game and for me the benefits of that. We were receiving as a league league-wide From that includes the practice squad guys all the way through to The highest earners in the league. Everybody was going to be seeing increases in benefits and in pay for the most part for the for agreeing to play that seventeenth game and you lose a preseason game so i guess you could also ask most people that would they rather get a regular season game. Check or a preseason game check. They'd probably go for the regular season game. Check but there. There's a whole lot of other details that that we could dive into on that. But i don't know if you guys want to go into the weeds on some of those issues are not but I'm looking forward to it. I think what we have. The jags is as who who we're supposed to play so That that'll that'll be interesting. You know we'll have to get used to two different number for records and things like that but Hey the game It's getting bigger and you know as a result. Obviously you see the tv deals that were just signed and that's only going to increase future salary caps and benefits players. Even more which. I'm all for josh. You've been the falcons. Nfl pa representative over the years. You know can you kind of take us behind the curtains of of what that's like like what these discussions conversations meetings and everything like. What are they entail. Yeah i took over for For matt bryant Few years ago. And i joked with him. I'm like man while you were the rat. Nothing was really going on. I said as soon as i take over. It's like drinking through a fire hose. I got a new. Cba on the table. We got a global pandemic. Goodness talk about getting thrown to the fire but Yeah it's really interesting. Each team has a rep and basically your job is to be the voice of your own so any issues that come up that need voting on or they're just looking for feedback from is my job is to along with some of the other alternates is to try to gather as much information as possible. Try to provide as much information to guys that are asking questions as well and You know try to make the best decision as a as a group as a whole and and that's typically how it works. I mean we'll have calls periodically we've had more in the last you know few months than we probably normally would have. But that's just part of the business and it's really interesting to see that side of football right the business of football and how that works between the player and owner relationship it. It's been. I've really enjoyed getting to learn more about that and get to serve my team know for sure that get makes one hundred percents cents. Yeah well welcome in odd ninety catches as well at say which way on twitter are non. We are mid interview with josh harris. I didn't know if now that you're here if you had any questions you'd like to ask ask josh popping right in on s josh. Got to forgive him. I know he put the little schedule getting the twitter. Hey hey i'm not. Tolerating twitter slander. Goff's thanks for someone for joining us up. I wanna know who who. The most bump person is in the locker the most fun. I very subjective. Very subjective question. Yeah i mean it's not like college right where everybody's in at the same age and everybody the same place alliant friday. You guys don't have kids. I have a bunch of kids and it's It's hard to figure out exactly who who's the most fun but It's it's probably got to be once again. Probably an offensive lineman. If i had to guess you know that would probably be one of them. Hey they like to have the most fun i think and They usually have some good stories to tell which is why they're lunch. Table is is one of the best ones that said that sometimes. That's a good one. Yeah i all guys me too. Yeah yeah go ahead. Go ahead josh. How long have you guys been playing. It's friday song on fridays. How long has that been going on. I mean at least since two thousand twelve. At least i mean that can seem forever. Since the falcons were formed. They've been playing friday on. I mean it's a tradition. you know. listen. I'm a big golfer. I love the masters but you know a tradition. Unlike any other is friday you know being played in the locker room on fridays. That's just a towel works. that's great. That's awesome yeah yeah It's been about forty minutes of grilling josh harris. So if you guys have any final questions in the chat Get those in there. We'll start the mock draft soon as well but yeah obviously you guys. Do you have any final questions. There for josh. Go ahead and get those out there. Yeah i guess. I just ask you. Are you hoping to pull the tom brady or are you hoping to play till forty five or do you have any idea on that or i will play as long as they have me. As long as they have body feels great. You know and my family is in a great spot to be able to help me through anything you know life can throw at me. I'm so thankful to have My wife cameron back home to be able to To take care of our three little ones and allow me to train and do the things necessary to keep my body right and ready to go Each season. So i'm i'm just a next one is going to be the best one. And that's that's the attitude. I got very cool. Yeah yeah i mean. it's not the most. You're not necessarily getting tackled ten times a game or twenty times a game or anything like that so i think it is certainly possible for long snappers to play for a long time so we certainly would like to have you stick around as long as possible because reliable long snapping as we said. You don't realize you need it until it's a problem so especially someone was actually born in georgia in raisin gorgeous on eighty and. I'm pretty sure that future as well being able to play for down long in his home state so josh i m curious though like when when you go through regime changes you've done a couple of times like what's the thought process like as a player you know like what what are those conversations with the new coach or the new gm when they come in and they reach out to you or or do they reach out to you. Yeah i mean most. I mean most coaches will reach out to you know just to introduce themselves say hello But one thing i've noticed. Is you know most coaches. They can see better than they can hear so no matter what type of conversation you have with new coaches you know. All all that really matters is them. You know seeing that you're gonna be a professional. You're going to be a pro that you're gonna train. Do the things required. You know that are necessary to do your job at a high level and so you know. Obviously the communication standpoint is great but My personal you know. I guess approach to it is just a show them the type of worker type of athlete and the type of team mate that i am and You know you can really do that through you. Know through putting into action you know. And so that's That's what i try to do is just be myself Train like i normally would and you know. Try to prove it to them because you know the say. The nfl is not for long. I mean it's You know one of those things that you know each and every day is kind of its own interview. I mean you gotta do well today so they can bring you back tomorrow. And that's the mentality. That that i keep and so trying to To just be the best version of myself Each and every season and And be the best teammate. That i can be along. The way is usually goes goes a good ways yemen. You've absolutely crusted in all aspects so far so can congratulate Again nothing but the best move forward question Of i didn't mean to cut off the nothing. You can just go out and trying to raise my hand. But i wasn't a question. I was just gonna make comment about what a thank god. Long snapper is like and mentioned you. You know you never mentioned it unless something goes wrong. And where the falcons Because of the work. You've done josh. We never mentioned it. We haven't mentioned for like the past decade of all. It's such a terrible like snap go at went over the head of the point like i. I don't recall anything like that. So yeah you've definitely done fantastic Well we all got a knock on wood now. I mean my job. I'm gonna get on twitter. I'm at first time. It happened all out. Not as long as we're in agreement. One question i guy Speaking with you you tell me about how. Obviously you're from georgia. But you wear falcons fan. Did you have any favorite like grownup stuff. Oh you know what my guess. knee was. Kind of a falcons player. So i felt players in january. Yeah so i had to jerseys as a kid still to this day The only two jerseys of mine that i've ever had were terrell davis and brett farve and those guys i know two different positions but i wanted to be thrilled every everytime i touched the ball as a youth football player like i wanted to be. Terrell davis ma high salute in you know scoring touchdowns And then obviously brett farr. You know being the quarterback that he was the gunslinger a lot of fun to watch and those are some of my earliest. Nfl memories I believe they had a super bowl back in the day where i think they played each other. And so those are those are my guys. Those were my my my biggest Probably the guys that for the most that i can remember at a young age pretty cool very cool all right so viral fifty six needs to know. What's your hype song anything any. I mean it really depends on the mood. That i'm in that day but i mean if we're before a game or like a workout or whatever it's got to be some type of old jisi i love jisi. He gets ago. I mean he's been the soundtrack to work workouts and hard training tire life. So that's gotta be. He would have to be on there at some point. You know that's That i enjoy it. Yeah that's a good. That's a good. That's a good one. I will accept that as josh. You who drives the nicest car. Oh that's such a big thing of argument there so many nice cars we can just go on. Track know but but is different. There's different levels of what you consider nights like. Is there like a luxury car or is it a sports car or is it like the g wagon is. Everybody has there. There's a lot of g wagons for sure a lot of g wagons out there. I'm a guy. So i don't i don't really know about like exactly what the nicer stuff is right now. But you know are just got a new tesla. It's pretty nice. You know you can drive itself. No it's did you did. You really like yanni's counties truck the shelby. I'd yeah the sheldon truck. I mean that was. That was the first time i had ever seen one of those. I didn't even know they made those. So that was that was. That was pretty cool aggressively. Big describe you got. I don't know if you remember. Croix bearman struck that he had years years ago. It was probably three times. The size of a massive. It's bureau now. Keanu neal is was a little bit of a dark horse. Pick for giant a truck. Yeah croix not so much. Yeah i think my main takeaway. That sterling hawker drugs accessible very ecoconscious sterling off rector. He's from syracuse. I'm not surprised there's a lot of tests gonna work up a nickname form based on that. Well i told him me and coomer telling him that you know. He's still owes us a rookie dinner. So the only way that we can do it if he gets to take us all. And the tesla you know and maybe show us how it works. So we'll see. That seems fair. Yeah that's fair. Yeah all right guys any final questions. Before we transition to the mock draft up to who we there was a very exhaustive questioning. And you pass with flying colors josh. So thank you for putting up with all of our questions. Thank you for answering the chats questions as well our guys. Well before we go to the doctor. I forgot to do my traditional stuff of ask you to if you are enjoyed. The show. Please like it's describe. We appreciate those metrics. Thank you guys for doing that. If you're interested in supporting the show at a monthly base you can check us out on patriots patriot dot com slash alchoholic live. We doing our next patron q. And a. session. Next tuesday the sixth of april. It's going to be at eight ten pm eastern so our usual time. Those are a lot of fun. So if you're interested in getting in on that a patron qna you see plenty of time to sign up. Just make sure a patron before. Tuesday so you can get the link to that and make sure to follow everyone on twitter including josh harris who is at a you. Jay harris on the twitter dot com All right so. Let's get into some draft takes. I know everyone is very excited about it. Obviously there was a lot that happened before we get to that though. I do want to give josh a chance to exit. Because i don't want to necessarily subjective to seven rounds of intense draft discussion. So josh joke twenty minutes to decide the seventh ron did yeah. That's pretty brutal. So i don't know that we need to force you. So yeah josh. We obviously really appreciate you coming up anything you want to add anything you want to plug for you take off. Well i hey thank you guys for having me on as good chatting with you Hopefully about to see you guys around a little more season cova. It'll allow you know. More people in the stands more people around and stuff like that. So we'll We'll get that going but yeah You know if you're looking for charities too that you want to donate to I i'd recommend the letsie forty-three foundation. That's the foundation that i've represented through Mike calls mike leads the last couple years. And then also chase the victory foundation in In carrollton georgia Chase mcdaniel was a high school football player for the trojans who passed away a couple years ago and the foundation was set up to To help his family and Other cancer patients as well. So those are two to charities that a lot to me and If you're feeling like it you know feel free to To donate to those guys head josh. Can i just say thank you for bringing up the letsie foundation. He actually went to school. Just right down the road from mine and i played against him in in high school. He played the same position. I did tight end. And i just remember scouting report was hey look out for fulfill like he's the best player they have. He's gonna crush it. I know his sister. So thank you so much again. Everybody please donate to that foundation. It does amazing work absolutely absolutely. Well thank you guys. I appreciate it. Yep absolutely have a great man. Thanks for coming on. Thank you all right there. He was guys demand the myth the long snapping legend josh harris. So don't say we never do anything nice for you. I know saying that but just in case you were thinking but yes. Mock draft season is upon us. Obviously a ton of stuff happened this week with the forty niners trading up to three the dolphins moving back to twelve within twenty minutes. Moving back up to six with the eagles. The eagles are twelve. So the mock drafts obviously very different. So it's gonna be our first mock for both site. An alcoholic lives since all of these crazy traits have gone down so excited to get to that. I know you guys have plenty of takes. I know there are going to be lots of arguments I see george has arrived. So i'm sure drains seeing drink right now. Rallying hydrating this momentous occasion exactly and using an astor guy. Georges no longer who he wants the fourth. I figured as soon as he saw that four four four from kyle pits. He just started swag walk and just wherever he was is like. Oh i'm so right so you know. I'm not gonna george george. You've been on my mind a lot the past couple weeks just because watching all of this with kyle pits. I'm thinking i wouldn't hate it. I i wouldn't be for it. I wouldn't be like you know. Go get caught. Bits of four but we took out. I wouldn't hate it. Yeah i mean. I think we've all kind of warmed up to it you know. I think george definitely contributed to me being like okay like maybe i should take this a little bit more seriously and you know i did finally actually go back and watch more than like highlights kyle pits and like yes giorgio absolute right kyle. Pits is a tremendous talent. And i think really what has kind of made. The difference is when you really consider the tight end and the value in arthur smith's offense. I think that's really to me. What made it more likely is because we know how much arthur smith respects the tight end position. How big of a deal. It is to him you know. He was the most twelve third most thirteen personnel and the most highest percentage of tight end targets in the nfl last year with jonnu smith obviously but his number two tight end. You know was a bunch of different guys. So yeah yeah yes is it does help that Because of george we've covered Kyle pits more than any other show on the internet month but yeah he is in my opinion. The best tight end prospect. I've ever seen coming out of college. But but here's the thing he so he started as bit and then kind of became a movement. And i think that the fact the falcons have been publicly this like it came out today to meetings were at his pro day meeting scheduled. I almost take that as kind of concrete evidence that they are not going kyle pits for. Ayob never does this. There's never like unless you're like the number one pick most teams aren't like publicly linked to the guy that they're taking. Remember the dolphins to that whole like justin herbert to like. Are they really into justin. Herbert more than two like like they do smokescreens this time a year. If the falcons are looking maybe to shop the number four pick they should be invested in as many prospects as possible to get as many suitors as possible thinking they will take the guy that they like it number four so i think that there may be smoke screening a little bit even though i would love pits for but outside of trevor lawrence. They've been linked to just about everybody. That point rice will yeah. I mean it's it's it will be easier to truly dissect if they didn't have a hey coach. That was a former titans coach. That also emily feature tight ends in his office the past two years. You say okay yeah. That's probably the most pittsburgh that dynamic looking at it now and then you look at the aspect and i know we don't like to put a whole lot of Commissioning in into showing up for pro days. But the fact that he was the head coach was at his pro day. Today was another thing to look at is is it probably is getting a little series at the very least also also have no idea how knowing smith are going to handle it moving forward. We've never seen these guys in action running their own team so you know. Maybe they know maybe they can read material that you know. It's going to be quarterback verse three picks and i've been bets fair to say and they're like you know the scout the hell out of kyle pits in who cares if if if other teams know we're doing it What's going to be interesting is is like every and the falcons have have said this over the years is that it's a partnership between head coach and gm you know and and they said that again this offseason during his hiring cycle was you know if if you're having to have conversations about who stays who goes than like you've already not done a good enough job you need to do a better job before you get to that point where it's like. I have more power than you do. Here's who sang. Here's who's going but those conversations naturally do happen. And i think that this draft will really tell us what the kind of power structure is in this new organization if they do truly go best player available which is what a gm would want because the gm just wants the most talented roster possible to coach the one that has to implemented on sundays or so. The coach is always gonna want need. He's going to say we need to plug this hole. Because i can't win with this whole in our ship but the gm is just like if this turns into a star. It means. i'm good at drafting. So we're gonna figure this out it in april and may but like that's the most fascinating part because we're all sitting here kind of like struggling for content a little bit and it's because we don't know how this power structure works but it's not like every options on the table and for that reason it's really fun very lee. She can say that there are plenty of healthy discussions as far as which direction. Because yes and. I don't think they necessarily know where they wanna go right now. You know. I don't think they know i don't think they're there. They may not even truly no surprise the night before the draft to be quite honest with you. I mean that's how a lot of teams drafting high really don't know where to go i was. I'm such a draft nerd. I was watching ninety eight. Nfl draft our draft board. Officially bill pull came on and said that they didn't gonna take eight manning until the evening before the draft so it's just like teams best. It's teams are really going back and forth but mentally. I think the interest important about is the fact that we know the falcons can go in so many different ways and outside of maybe a few prospects. I don't think any of us can say that's the wrong direction ago. You know they were state and go it's or lance or feel or even chase big we all can look at those five pigs and say okay. I get why they win. Yeah yeah what. What so much would so much fun though about this conversation is it's the exact inverse of what we've been having of over the years where we had a gm with a track record that we could look at and say okay. He does do on needs. He does tend to like these players. He has a hit and miss record of x. On this position but they were always drafting in the twenty s right. Now we're in the top five. We know who the prospects are. It's this guy is going to be there. This is going to be there. All these guys are gonna be there. Who are they picking. We just don't know because we don't know this. Gm fascinating yeah we all. I was starting to get really good at predicting. The falcons picks like especially kind of day three like early guys. I called the kamensky pick which was special time for me but that was the only one so far but like drancy not pick. Hey there you go yes. They were getting kind of predictable like they had type. They always kind of win after this type and it was. You know big ends and guys that are freak. Athletes late on late in the draft. Pick wasn't much of a shot to us says it was knew how they like particular corner prospects and you knew they kind of go against the grain when it comes to drafting. Certain guys like yeah. They probably wanted to corner but is not the corner. You probably think it is probably someone else in the yeah. I mean they have a habit of taking the guys. I mock in the second. In the first round. Mocked chris lindstrom in the second. They took christmas from the first. I mocked keanu on the second took on the first and then aged torelli mocked the second multiple times and they also took him in the first so like maybe just whoever i mocked him in the second is actually to be there pick. Maybe that's what i start but none of those moves has been bad. So maybe i was the one low on those players i say yeah so maybe but do you want to get to georgia's tip you know who he is. Why he's here. He's here to talk about kyle. Pitts says kyle. Pets is the best choice i feel. He makes us contenders. He's a red zone monster. He could have fifteen touchdowns. I believe ryan has three good years left. At least i don't no reason to take back when i think we can win now so for me. It's pits or ser tan. Yeah ser tan is a dark horse. i dink thirteen. It'll probably be after a trade down but they were out in force at alabama's first pro day and i you know they weren't there to scout mack jones. I'll tell you that so. I think they were probably taking a look at you. Know kevin. I do know that okay. What mug jones hype train has left the station. it has. it has yeah guys. Passengers can be picked way before valk alkan select. So i don't worry point. Does second hand undercut us. He swooped in to take match. Turns in front of the falcons so he bought hi- exactly whenever you can give up three first round pick per match ups. You just have to do it. So i love. I feel like that's the achilles heel for a guy like shanahan and we don't even know that's going to be the peck but like him and mcvay. It always seemed the same way to me. It's like i want this guy. Because he's gonna do what i tell him to do and i know he can do it. You know and it's like maybe a little bit less about the raw talent than how i can mold you you know i. That's a wonderful point. Yeah absolutely like right on. They liked to be known as the like. We transformed matt ryan into an mvp candidate. Yes exactly yeah. Teams love to galaxy brain. Their draft picks this is. This is common knowledge. I mean just look at mitchell a result business results business if you can if you can put a badge on your lapel you do it and then you tell people that you did it because that's how you get another job and like that's kind of the the hidden truth behind everything. Yeah yeah. I mean our guys well. Let's let's transition into some draft. So mach drafting so. I've got the mock draft machine ready to go here You know it better. Pick three straight quarterbacks like ninety percent of the time it does so great quarterbacks it does inject like it tried. They said their algorithm does try to inject like complete randomness because the draft is random. And like i think we all expect moxie. Just go crazy. But we're gonna we're gonna if it doesn't get three quarterbacks before four. We're going to rerun the simulation because i think it's the chances of a quarterback knock going one two and three are probably like in the single digit so we will start it up here. We'll see you the first three pixar and then we will go from there if it's all ishmail three times we're winning. Come all ishmail. Kemal ishmael to kamala. Third way's good name. Their children the moral bailed out. Okay so we do have three. Quarterbacks going off the board so trevor lawrence went first overall to jaguars not a surprise. Zack wilson to the jet. To not a surprise and then the forty niners do not take jones they take trae lance at three which i view is not as likely as field but i don't think it's anywhere near as outlandish as mac joads. Those work offer traits. They show you can walk and also can you not like just input solutions. You can manually do trades they will also teams will sometimes call you with trades. Sometimes they decide to do it all the time and offers you yes so sometimes they will call an offer. You sometimes you can. They won't but you can always manually set up any trades you want. so that. means that for the falcons. The the options remaining justin fields obviously at quarterback kyle pits tight end jay march as wide receiver. Tonight sewell offensive. Tackle patrick ser. Tan is another defensive player. You would consider but the question is do we want. Do we think fields as worth fourth and we just wanna take him. Do we want to consider trae downs for this mock draft because it might be spicier you know like we don't have to make this the most accurate mock draft. We try to be really spicy if you want. But this on draft might act guarantees. They wanna use up the entire team. What what yes. One one hundred percent or maybe they won't because now not covering that event and they'll just immediately and that person's life easier but Field fields is my choice. Still right now. I mean i think if this was the real draft they would take fields without hesitation. It's it's fields. I think that's the rexona going to go. I think all of us feel that they should trade now but of course. That's not a guarantee. But they're stuck at for and they have to choose between this quarterback right so we could decide that we want to be spicy and we could say like yes we would all we all think the most likely pick here in this scenario would be field. But if you want to try to do trades because you wanna get spicy for the live mock. That's also fine with me. Let's let's let's take it to jalapeno lime and take so yes so for those keeping track realistically. I think we all the pick. Your would be justin fields right. Yes anybody anybody disabled from that no the that should move. Yes as much as i really liked kyle pits and the team could very well decide that they do walk pets and like i don't think that's outlandish. But i do think the most likely scenario in this mock would be field because fields to me is the second best quarterback in the draft. So getting him as the fourth quarterback is kind of a steel at this time. You're shopping for house. Sometimes you're shopping for a car. Yep you got the the viewers have as well man this. This is a rookie. Gm rookie coach any time soon show. They're not tied. Matt ryan long-term right. You know fun. Know stated this offseason. He didn't necessarily want it to even touch matt rask contract as far as restructuring. But he has it. So that to me i look at it as you know. They're they're looking to see what they can get out of matt ryan for maybe a year or two before their reagan vaughn and they may want you know take advantage of sitting in the boss yet but i will say that no matter what the pig is it's gonna g- native civil war on pelicans twitter no matter what no matter what yes early touchdown against detroit sparked a civil war. I mean me for a touchdown but so many people didn't like that decision. I didn't understand it. Bid for our draft. Pick overall right now. Nearly a hero for that. Todd gurley lot worse has type todd gurley momentum meetings a lot worse for growth home. What did you need. Look todd gurley is just a red zone weapon. Okay once you get into the red zone. He can't just not score. Okay that's all. I will also say talk early. I think had some incentives touchdowns his contract to. I don't blame that. I know we're not slandering todd. Gurley that was mentioned earlier. A very good player in good at getting into the reason. I'm not slandering girly. I'm saying i would have done the same thing like nobody's messing with my money. So in this in this in this scenario i think i were at day trade down. I will say in the top ten. Okay yeah. I think it's about where you trade down. I think last time we traded down with the Broncos to nine. I think a dark course team that could be looking to get into two four. That no one's talking about is the lions because everyone just assumes because they have goff now that they're finding a quarterback and i don't think they have any loyalty to gough whatsoever. I think that was just part of the deal and they wanted to have someone just in case but that would be as smaller. Yeah yeah but it's it's no different than the falcons taking justin fields right here and then having to get rid of bat ryan like next year so it. I don't think for the same reason. I don't think that ryan's big cap. It is had dissuade the falcons from taking a quarterback. I don't think the lines either. But that's one option that would be to seven so that would be a smaller trade down. They probably would still have their choice of guys. Like you know an eye sewell. Jomar chase kyle pits. Probably one of those guys would still be on the board. Obviously guys like sir tannin. Mike parsons and whatnot. So that would be probably the smallest trade down. They could do. Obviously we're not considering the panthers. We talked about the broncos. What do you think about the steelers which would be. Probably the biggest moved huge. That would be like a gigantic hall. What exactly war. Yeah like that. That's moving back. East spots would again have to be huge off in the draft that they can move. That's probably go my thing with the steelers in a team like that. If you're picking up future. I which is one of the reasons. I find the broncos appealing like you expect the steelers to be contenders pick as less valuable to probably in the twenty s again next year. Potentially like if you're picking up another firm so that that's why i find the idea of trading down with denver so attractive like if you can go. Without pits or quarterback. Denver could very well picking the top ten again next year In another top ten pick would be great. So that's to me that's part of the calculus to if you're gonna move down with the team try to think of had to the value they can provide you a year from now to i. I don't know dave. I kind of feel like denver is is in position to make some noise next year. I think they've had a really good offseason from this offseason. I just don't trust denver. I don't think whoever they draft is is automatically elway special. He's not even making decisions there anymore. I just don't believe will from from this aspect if you trade with denver you can stay in the top. Half of the rounds in each arrest the third you still stay relatively high compared to pittsburgh or your egress and later but spur. You'd need like a full godfather offer. Edgy em would have to set it up to where he kills her horses and we wake up in the same vatsa get a horse head for each first round. Pick and you get five. Yeah i mean the patriots. Probably the other one. It's likely or legitimate fifteen as well. So do we want to try to see what we can get from the patriots and go from there the denver last time though you did. That's the only reason i don't wanna do. I agree that denver's probably the most likely like we don't have like i said jalapeno line even offer starts at what san francisco gave the money breath. Okay well i'm going to look at the car. We out on fields. Well i think we all said in reality. they're probably going to take just get spicer. We're trying to go up to jalapeno. Live spiciness yes loss. Time you'll still there at nine. Yeah well you know it could happen right. Maybe the patriots want now the patriots while mack jones of four so anything is possible and everyone just loved jones nowadays. They do all right. So no i honestly do think they're gonna take jones at four based on how simulator works because usually when the patriots trade up in this they do take mack jones but if if kyle pits is on the board regardless of who else is on the board at nine is he does pick. Oh yes yeah yeah at seven to. I would probably say the same thing. Why is that. Is that a value thing or is that like a talented or is that like our brains being programmed to be like well. You can't take tight end in the top five. You gotta take. Because as i think in all likelihood by the time nine rolled around the top for quarterbacks born right at least you're getting you're getting top-five talent. You know in you at non mafi i so i will hop on at that point if any other eric jomar or kyle. She's christ man in anybody else. I mean we got. We got a head coach makes like cartoon eyeballs and a wugang noises tight end so like i. I'd like to have pets myself. I would like to have his. Because i think hits offers a lot. More matchup is for defenses than yeah. I agree chases the best receiving a draft absolutely will ios gin long tooth. He's not going to be here that long. So it's a possibility. But just the fact that i can you can. You can move pits. All over weinstein's man. He's everywhere so i think he can. It'll be to pick their for me. And also if we take damore chase than atrial will have fist fight him on the spot when they train them all right so this is the offer. I think we could get from the patriots. One hundred percent It would be fifteen forty six which is their second ninety six third than next year's first and second. No you're not getting that. Yeah i mean. Probably not the second. You're not you're not. I don't think getting the. I think you're getting a third next year. Maybe i would gonna say four. You're getting the like. The public tends to super overrate draft trades. Yeah it's it's like a well-known thing kind of within the league that it's like oh you really think you're gonna get like two first rounders for matt ryan. It's like no. You're probably getting they're going to get one may is a great season yet. Yes i it's just the way teams think and so to move back to from fifteen to four fifteen. Were back so little right yeah. That's the patriots or four quarterback but also you're not necessarily making that known right now. If you want the fourth quarterback you gotta trade us because we're gonna take the fourth quarterback they're kind of playing cards so you have to make a team believe you're gonna take their guy and then the that guy is worth like a five six seven draft picks the that's three four graphics is probably what you're looking at all right. I think there is a quarterback. Taxing belltower there it. Because i yeah. Go ahead good. Infants for a quarterback in you know that denver's going to be in bidding war and you know that detroit maybe another bidding work carolina or not even looking at but all of these teams are bidding war for quarterback. I don't think it's for bench to think that we could get that from the patriots this because a quarterback is involved in. It's the last quarterback of that big four. The you know the consensus that those are the four best quarterbacks whatever you decide what like i always say that the one position teams will be willing to overpay for his quarterback is gas. When you need one. You'll see the desperation from teams. Not saying it. A pages need one. But i think with their aggressiveness aggressiveness. That they showed this offseason. I think they'll be willing to part with multiple pigs. Beautiful point eric. Yes yes yes so. I guess it's just figuring out what we want to ask for right to make it more realistic i will. I will say yeah of what i have right now is twenty twenty one. I which is fifteen twenty twenty one second which is forty six twenty twenty one third which is ninety six go and then a two thousand two i. I just think you're getting a twenty twenty two. I definitely injured. I don't think the falcons even pick up the phone. If they're not even picking up the phone if they're not giving a person who you're getting the first three rounds of this draft from team. Yes yes it then. That is something. I don't think the teams also giving up a first next year. I think they would give up a day to pick naming i guess. But if you're looking at what san francisco san francisco three firsts but even more necessary for a smaller number of jump in terms what did they give up from muhammad sununu. They'll give up any the falcons very good f- leasing them. Now i think even i think even if a quarterback out of all it would be i. I remember a few years ago. The bills gave up a first to go from nine to four percent. Watkins like to get into the top five. It'll costly verse. Rounder especially you. You guys might be right. I mean it. I don't know if. I just think it's the first second third that is kind of throwing me for like. That's a lot this year to give. This usually don't see teams do like first second third in one year they do like i. This year will swap. I will give a fourth and fifth. And then i next year right so like it's kind of the first second third thing that's it is slowing me a little bit. They four steep three fourth routers patriots. Do so it's not like they're not gonna make any picks after this but yeah. I mean they'd be giving up basically all of their top hundred picks for a quarterback. But it's just it's a big move up it's four the last of the big guys as long as you if you don't count certain players but the tax. Yeah i mean. I think based on what the forty niners got. I don't think the falcons would accept this offer if this was if it didn't get to day toothpicks from the from the patriots plus future first so like i don't think they probably do a deal with denver but since we're not considering denver because of what we did last time so i guess we can see if they accept if they don't accept it. We can look at something else but it says it's about fifty fifty. They'll take it so okay so we'll we'll try it out. So i i what's that two or almost almost onto our pick one right okay. Feels like a real draft night. Yeah i know we use all fifteen minutes right there so okay they did accept it so there you go so we got to want want block. I got second third in the first next year. Okay all right so as messed it. S a reasonable baggage. I if i were if i were to jimmy g. m. out pockets a little bit more. Yeah yeah all right. So top players left at fifteen. I'm sure other teams would be interested in trading up. But i don't know if we want to do like a double trade down from fifteen. I think if we did like two seven maybe consider but like so mike. Parsons is available. Jalen phillips obviously nausea harris in transit tender. Still there as those you laurie jeremiah. Lucy cor moa allies avera tech adjustment off the board. That's usually who i like it. This draft about task the offensive lineman. So it'd be like kevin jenkins ray sean slater and christian derozan gone already So yeah the offensive line is pretty unless you tevin jackets. But he's he's a tackle probably going. Yeah i mean to me. It would probably be jalen phillips i. It's mike or mic. Yes like if you wanna play because the best player on the board. Well yes us years. And he can add rush. Can he can't ride. They're going to running three four hybrid defense yes linebacker can blitz yet. Yeah no. I forgot about michael briefly there for a second for some reason. So yeah the. Let's go with that. Because i would take parsons but yeah are we. I do consider parsons top ten talent. Yes smitten If you just wipe away the off the field stuff like this he would not escape it. Outside so yeah. Yeah i'm gonna parsons or or trade the pick for maurice hurst. Hey who was bill. My all time favorite draft love. I can't believe they dated draft him at any point before he went to the raiders was like every time to represent haber marie services. Still here you know. They didn't listen to me. So they asides from picking grady. Jared finally like. I thought they were on the defensive tackle that i liked. They weren't like every single year. That happens yeah. Well thank god. We weren't right about tape and brian so they were. They were right. I was wrong so it was a fun draft draft. They were raised up. Calvin ridley so good for that. All right so mike parsons it is. We finally made our first pick all right now. What we need to do is we need to rush through every paycheck until we get to the very and then we got grind it out for fifteen minutes how we do it. We have to get a second. We have two seconds. yes because we have We have picked forty six from the patriots as well. I think. We'd traded for too many picks thirty nine thirty you. God yeah okay. We're gonna have to be a little bit quicker with these ones. So so i mean tarries kids. They got a bedtime man. We gotta be realistic about this. Yeah all right so christian bar more. Is the top ranked player left on the board. Let's take a look at some of the other options. Do you all right so at edge. Greg russillo is the top guy left ronnie perkins joseph facade joe triathlon. Let's see cornerback. It's a barren robinson kelvin. Joseph asante samuel junior who we took last time at the spot See offensive running back Let's see we have interior office of why yeah creed humphry white davis landed dickerson. All still there. So those are certainly tempting. I like white davis. I'm a big fan his well but we check the good trayvon merrick win at thirty four. Right before the tokens. Yes that kinda sucks giovane holland. Richie grant still. There is the top to save. I like russo here. Like if you're in or or just value like if you're going to invest some upside. I get it with the second round pick. It's kind of like what the cowboys did with john smith and it's like there's talent clear and obvious with this player. What has been the biggest. Need for the falcons consistently of the last like frankly outside of john abraham being signed like the entirety of the past two decades. He was like the last guy before. John abraham though is like a good pass rusher said so just double down like what they did with the offensive line with with lindstrom mcgarry and just hit on defense as many times as possible on the know his just testing scares me. So much gregor so like where i mean is scares me but he again i kid just now clearly special yes it just not growing it to an nfl body is just now playing particular position. The upside years is is is to tipping pass on which. Who's left to quarterback. I'm gonna i'm gonna be the guy that asks that question. Let me find out. Go cowan monte. A big kellyn monde guy is justin field still on the board Let's see kyle trask. Oh yeah cal. Trask davis meals on. Jimmy newman are the top quarterbacks. I covered davis out of high school. Actually he lays. My wife is goals. Davis mills is one quarterback outside of the premier five or whatever. He's the one quarterback that i can see being a star when i liked talamante davis mills being like a career. Backup like a brian. Hoyer is davis mills me. We could always start. This overtake boring intake crowd. Trump's in the second see pat fryer is still here by the way so if we wanted to take a tight end thinking it so air kevin who is use your guy july of this pick i i guess i'd probably take like white davis secrete humphrey. The upside is for rousseau's again. My point is. I know at one point. We're discussing like trading bag to like eight or nine and taking russo there at the beginning of this dr right up. Also we've sites where it's if it is bpa because i'm trying to kind of put myself in like tariff on no mindset where it's like all right like who's who's the best guy but it's like we still need like an egg. Roger do you need an fit fit and talent. I said go for as a russo. Okay we'll do recep. Four months ago. I get greg russo. And who we pick them. First round clarkson's will really push it and look. Yeah i next year okay. So we'll take her so overhaul a defense fellas man. We're still shivers though. We're getting chick no matter what we pay. One hundred percent. True bodegas i. I'll i'll castle fits for a possible type tops. Vp's on if you can get your safety Within the next couple picks you can a playmaker at all three phases the divas someone get mike nolan on speed. Dial right okay so Top players left on the board christian bar. More defensive tackle levi on was defensive. Tackle creed humphry white davis landed dickerson. ronnie perkins joseph. Cy amari rogers from clemson. Those are all the top guys left. I believe the corners might still be there as well with people. The commodore saying that field is still there. Yeah but i. I'm not accepting that. That was an option at this point in the second round. Yes i i assume something got about it all away but i'm not throwing away. Let the record. Show that the kevin with. I'll do information from the panel. I did yeah because it would have ruined all of our hardworking fight entertained. This is this is the real a few good men situation here. I feel like you're yelling at us that we can't handle the truth. Yeah you can't hurt the truth of this simulation scuffed beyond repair but you know all of came around go somebody yeah. Somebody spotted it. Yeah i did notice that. He was there but i was not going to accept that he was there. I i assume it was just a bug. He was like ranked eighth overall and like teams should. Just start taking him as the best player available in like the teens. Even if they don't need quarterbacks check your tight ends maybe call. Kits is still there right. Yeah let me double check. I already did check that pittsburgh style with a broken the simulation for that. But you are right. Here i would. I would like all of one hour. Yes i like. Why i take. I absolutely agree. Well we're gonna fight over which offensive. Lamb creed humphry. But i also totally. Fine with white davis. I vs davis of dixon. Honestly i'm good with. I like by davis. Let's do davis then. Just we don't argue because we gotta we gotta start making some of these picks you know maybe we can. Trade name is closeness. Okay all right so we will take wide us. that's all. yeah so for folks. We've got mike. Parsons at fifteen gregory. So at thirty five and wyatt davis at forty six skhodra about that inside out. Davey build inside al illustrators. Yup aki can you be upset about that as that's a good people away yup all right. So we'll see a quarterback fellas. That's that's within complaining about yup. I'll be honest at this point. I it's not even entertaining. Let's just go all in to win. You know look at the roster. You'll see a quarterback which is important part that is they will be at least one yup. Maybe it's just not the same. It's like that's that's why it's start match but that's why it's so difficult like doing all this. 'cause it's like do they. Do they want that position. Filled for the next fifteen years or do they want that position filled by the best player. They have right now and like. That's that's who makes all of this hard but people that are against taking a quarterback early. They don't even work that out like they loo- wall quarterback on the roster right matt ryan still good. We should talk about him like he's not very good. This is nothing to do with matt. Ryan zinke always resigned matt simms and simulator. Yeah get the simulator. Fired up for the preseason. I remember covering a whole Hall of fame. Game with matt simms. This watching every single day. How can you make us do that. Yeah we gotta start getting through some of these picks. It's almost ten o'clock already so today we'll get today and the dead zone but yes so we got two offensive tackles at the top brady christian james hudson. We've also got richie grant milton williams from louisiana tech. Tommy toby defensive. Tackle couple of wide receivers carlos basham junior still there pete werner linebacker generes robinson at edge as well as the running backs. Michael carter kenneth game well. Trae sermon are the top. three left. Who are allied. Gain will gain willer sermon. 'cause we haven't heard but yeah i mean i don't know if we want to gamble. Necessarily the game would be there but we probably go personally. Jacci grants higher on the board. I don't think richie much longer. Richardson has definitely not gonna make it. Maybe maybe game would make but again like if we missed on carter in game. Well trae sermon ramachandraiah stevenson. All those guys you know still options that we could consider go game longer. Just wanna take game. Well and just let Grants slide away into the darkness. Looks yes because i don. I might think he's not going to be here at the top of the clear. I don't think richie grasping it'd be there but maybe there's more safety which the list lists addressing the yeah. I agree like the safety agency to. I think a lot of safeties will still be on the block after the draft teams. Could maybe pass on some top fruit. Todd safeties to grab some guys like on the cheap in free agency mean. Would you take game while over my car. though. I don't use it i mean i i like gables upset but i don't have them ranked about michael carr really. Oh man your spicier on game with me. Well i didn't think anybody was. But i mean gaels more dynamic certainly because of the versatility i mean game. We'll play receive. I mean eagle game. Well is more exciting so you convince you convinced me with it or not are we not i am. I'm fine with it. I mean his name is gain well right. So how can you be bad running back. If that's your last name they sciences. It makes sense so exactly right. That's gonna be r spicy pick for getting a spicy pick in a horse. I don't i. I don't think parsons at fifty very spicy. I think that's like all right so we're up in about ten more picks pick ninety s. You really wanted to be spicy. We would have taken out of areas fifty right or better yet at four. That's that's the real the real way to do it all right so all right. Top of the board. Michael carr still here. That's funny We've got some corners key taylor junior elijah griffin benjamin saint. Just hey kyle. Trask is still here. No i'm not interested. In contrast trask man. I will veto. Any cloud selection any yup our darius washington andrea cisco to rick thompson talanoa fonda so plenty of safety's We definitely should take one of the safeties here. Because like i mean i like cisco to i do like our washington i just both of them are kind of risky right. Because cisco's coming injury and like you know he's a wild man. Washington is like the opposite. He's just tiny but other than that. He's great so who else is tiny. Well that's so far. That hasn't hurt him so nice. Yup i think is our washington smaller than that he. I'm down for six. Go beyond dogs at all a tried and true playmaker place were both teams he will there will be lots of plays made that is for sure. Yeah all right. Andrei cisco it is k. Maybe matt ryan would truly appreciate us. Give him of things this year. S you would so top players left some interesting names here okay. cameron mcgowan linebacker. Davis mills quarterback trae sermon. Running back davis smells. I'd take mills at this point for sure. I mean realistically. They're gonna take a quarterback. I really i. They're absolutely taken quarterback in the draft. You might as well get one that might be decent. Rather take kevin montwaid though 'cause shelving still here and that man is an absolute unit. Okay he's tyler shelving i would. The field is still in the. Are there any tight ends I mean kenny. Davis davis mills seventh ranked quarterback and this is the third round the fourth round fourth. Now yeah yeah like. I think the values there get get a quarterback in the fourth round. I mean that's dak prescott value for somebody who gets to sit and learn under matt ryan for maybe two years. I just think that like if quarterback is the most important position. Maybe the whole discussion about like do they need to get one in the first round if they do have the opportunity to develop one and have somebody really like educated year period like cannot kind of turn a fourth round quarterback into a good nfl starter. Davis mills doesn't have the elite side of some of the guys in this draft. But we've seen quarterbacks that aren't necessarily elite. Jared goff jimmy garoppolo being the most recent examples like lead teams to quarter or two super bowls. So you know it the value is i think clearly there at with the fourth round if davis mills is like the seventh best quarterback. I just don't get it with davis mills but if you guys really like him that's hung up in the high school days but i man i just i would. I would wait from on if there's a guy you don't wanna force my corner. Here's here's marketing. But i will if you davis meals is a career backup. Why waste of round pick. It's fair that's fair. you can get a quality start. I mean and now if they look at meals and say hey we want to. Groom him to take over matt ryan whenever okay. You can convince me with that. You can talk me into it but if you d it would be an upside. Pick your banking on his upside. And i just think in the fourth round on more willing to do that with a player. Yeah i mean. I think that's fair as well Let's see some other as we consider tyler shelving like if they're trying to repair legit three four nose tackle. That dude is the most massive one of the most massive humans in college football You know also You know needs work but nobody. In the fourth round perfect so lee jalen twice for pittsburgh true williams from syracuse cornerback. Hammock are rashid junior at safety talanoa. Who fog is still there so for looking to like totally. Take two new safeties. Who fog as one of my highest rated strong safety guys behind hamza so he. He's an option. Took totally remake that safety room. We also have like a boatload of picks so we could theoretically like take someone and then like trade. Backup to take one of those quarterbacks and end all the debating. But i guess if it was me i would go like probably tyler shelving or tyler shelving trill williams or telling oh who fog it would be my top choices. But i'm willing to hear other arguments. Anyone i'll ask let go for williams myself and i wait. I wait another round and see. But if all the quarterbacks are gone. I'm going to channel terry fonteneau and not be happy. Well we can do. Is like as soon as davis mills goes off to board. We can just pause it and then trade for whichever quarterback is left because we have so many late picks up sure we could package. Something together for quarterback infiltrated his left. Is it so is it is it. Newman davis mind human. Brady white same etlinger. So there's some guys but yeah. I mean as soon as davis bills off the board. Basically go at any time. So yeah yeah but this is where i struggle with this because like best player available i feel like is not position right. Oh so like that. But i keep their. They've deliberately to this point. Not touch the quarterback position. So they're gonna do something with it. They're going to ask though no yet. I i completely agree with you dave. It's it's kinda like you. You can say best player available to appoint you're kind of dumb if you don't understand the inherent value of positions in the game that you play. It's like it's like saying that we're gonna take best player available in chess and then picking upon over queen do that. The pawn has grit right and only on the field for eleven or twelve. Plays a game. Because there are paul unless it becomes a queen unless it becomes a queen at your you know hey draft stories happen man. Brady look at look at him. He's upon you became a game. Speaking my language with these trust is now i am. I am the story behind. Queen's game it just for your knowledge. But i agree. It's like quarterback is so valuable that if you're number four like that's when you pick them you get the best quarterback available. I don't think in the fourth round. I just don't see the falcons really looking at jamie newman. I think they're going to wait and see who kind of shakes out. They probably have someone in mind that did like as a developmental guy but even then taking someone in the fifth like. They're probably just gonna sign a veteran backup at this point like they didn't get a quarterback at four. They traded out there probably going to sign a veteran. Backup that anyway. Yeah well no matter what yes but like you know i mean i think if take like just fields at four they. Maybe don't need a veteran backup because they've got tj. It's in the building like he's ready to go lead. Look galaxy brain. You don't need a backup quarterback if you got one on your coaching staff. So he can suit up at a moment's notice. Get out there. Take some snaps so no but you guys get with williams speaking of sorry. Sorry trillions of you. Do this point. I'm good with anything that moves us. Forward okay fair enough. Do moving on day. One looks depressing every single time. I like see you're studying your surroundings. Alright so birth time filming this. It's like a wintry hellscape behind me to hide it from this. Why i got the curtain up so april like what. Why does it still look this mind. You davis will davis mills win at one twenty. So i've paused the draft. We could theoretically tried to engineer a trip to get callum on if we would like to have kelvin. Does our backup quarterback developmental guy. So i can figure out what that would look like. The raiders have picked one. Twenty-one it should be too expensive we have three fifths into sixth so we can definitely. Yeah all of them. Just end it right now. You sound like somebody in the war room right. That's exactly how. I'm just yeah. I think we should just get rid of our six to make to get this done. So we'll keep still have two fifths later. Fifth spent we'll trade to it are to like end of the draft six to move up a couple of spots in this in the fourth round before a court davis else. Well technically it's kellen monica's because dasmal's just went but that's what prompted this yet. Well if it was davis mills. I was in now. I'm out. we'll see if they'll take to sixty four. I think they probably will. But one of is actually a good sixth dealer ones late but whatever. All right raiders. Come on there. You go ban making moves all right. Calamar we get a quarterback folks for all you quarterback wanders out there. We got killing minden. Good to go all right. No no no. There will be no complaints now. Will he can't hear from eric later. Just judging by body language so era eight rounders yet. he's not nearly as good at at fortnight as a curb. Banker does yeah. I mean that's the real bad that backup bread. They're just if you can't just get together and blast through a fortnight game. I don't know what you're doing. All right. three quarterbacks actually went before we would picked at one forty eight so it was actually smart if we did want kelly bond to trade up for him so you know. That was a good. That was a good move guys. Get you up. That's that's second round quarterback. Gm's we just predicted it. So they think about that stuff. Hey we're going to back to back. Picks and i think that would be the end of the draft so cool stuff all right. So we've got one of the two. In one eighty three those will be the final picks of our draft class so top players on the board as you might expect a lot of wide receivers as tend to be as part of the draft. We've also got some edge. Geiss ellison smith malcolm kunz. Patrick johnson wyatt. Hubert also got the wide receivers marlon williams. Shy smith josh immature. Bb cornerback de la nor of oregon will go through the guy with the coolest name gotta on raw saint brown would be like yeah. He's not here. Otherwise i'd definitely take it after a ethical end right at this point probably mckinney sweeter. That's actually a good pick here would be. We take you pile pits. We wouldn't have the speaking of great name's trae mccabe's alpha king or like. Yeah that's that's why we'll do him for one of them. So there we go. We have another pick. Yeah yeah i mean the value here is probably a wide receiver. I do think they're gonna add a wide receiver because this is a really good receiver class. It just depends on what flavor you want. Where i would. I wouldn't mind going ed's again. Yeah with them keeping fowler and getting so it's not as big wild but or insurance policy because russo not going to be not gonna hit it in year one. This is the right right. I mean. I don't think anybody were taking a pick one. Eighty three is gonna be contributing a lot this year. Either this this me. Like i feel like marlon williams. Our jobs matter. Bbi's like does Makes a good point. We need a new university. Outdoor kitty so we got the. We're just checking all the boxes for this mock. We need at one unique where we got that epochs check here forgetting yeah would have been invalid if not right exactly. I mean i guess i would go for willie allegra matter bb. But i wake. I like our baby. Yeah he's a freak. It is weakening inch article two seasons ago. Illinois averaged nineteen yards a catch. Yeah it body receiver over six feet to fifteen to twenty something like that. His his brothers a a tight end covered him. Yeah coming out of out of high school so like he's definitely a big bodied receiver. Who can win at the point of the catch and giveaway back. I like the upside here where he can definitely a d. threat especially yes he can. He can have a role on on nfl team. Yeah alright baby it is bam there. We go back. Picks got the juice. Got the box checked and got two of the best names in the draft back to back so all you know scoring kicks their own. Yeah that's that's that's how i decide. The fact that ended up making nine picks actually the same amount they would have made normally because we traded up. And get rid of two six with merciful. Or what's up eric. I said they would on crossfire. Whatever it was like through multiple maneuvers. But they're nine. Six nine drastically better picks than they would have had normally ethical. Kelham on. why did you really wanna make those too late. Sixth round picks okay. Is that what you wanted to do. Get callum on. Yeah yeah yeah so just to satiate. We need a. Qb crowd so no crowd. Uga crowd the defense crowd. Yup the long snapper crowd. No no how dairy josh harris long snapper crowd forever i will. I will never consider along. That's what i mean during. Let's make let's make. Josh harris are quarterback the bay again accurate seven yard passer in the nfl. Yup that's what's up short short gain all day or regarding. Yeah we're we're done. So we got eric. I'm outta here so we get to recap we. Have mike parsons at fifteen. After trade down with the patriots we have gregory so at thirty five edge from miami at forty six. We have white davis from ohio state. Interior offensive lineman at sixty eight picked up running back. Kenneth game well from memphis. At ninety six we picked up safety andrea cisco from syracuse Picked up quarterback williams also from syracuse. Just have the whole syracuse secondary over. Here just need if melanoma and then we have the whole band but sterling hoffer actor. It's going to be the syracuse south pretty soon. So traded up and gave up our two six for a chance to get quarterback kellen bond from texas a and m. then with our to compensate refits rounders. We selected tight. End trey mckinney from georgia and wide receiver josh from illinois. So there you have it folks. That is our second fell. Colic live mock draft. I promise we'll do a realistic one at some point. But just the spiciness entertaining but yeah. We'll probably not that was gray. Mock draft yes. Thank you thank you. That's healed in the second right there though. I can't believe you would from us. I'm gonna hold that against you for that's fine. It comes with an asterisk it does. Yeah because you know. We passed passed on fields multiple times. We're just feeding into the narrative that he's bad so we'll never know what what type of gas masks video may come out. Yeah heaven et ended up bolstering. The dolphins Got them like four. First rounders overall. Right right yeah i mean. I don't know what's crazier fields being there. In the second round or like the the bear's having a chance to get justin field twenty into saying like nah now we're getting candy. They took instead. Yeah andy dalton are starter. They took her shot. Bateman instead of just feels so. Wait they really. That's what the the program did. Yeah so i'm guessing the program for god about justin feels. I've never actually seen one of those top. Even jones fall. People people are gonna still have jobs for a while everybody. So every pat pat yourself celebrate. We're still here for a while. I would not replaced this yet. So i would love to see the reaction bears twitter. They would just flip out. Yeah that would be. Just for the memes. This like crazy scenario would be fun coletta. Yeah guys oh yeah. People wanted to see the details of the pats trade Yeah so it's the patriots. Got pick four pick fifteen pick forty six their second rounder Pick ninety six their third rounder and twenty twenty two i for reference so All right well thank you for tuning in a lot of fun. 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Analyzing the Falcons 53-man roster for 2019

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Analyzing the Falcons 53-man roster for 2019

"Want to know more about what your favorite ninjas have on their minds. Check out the american ninja warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any any ninja warrior fan because matt ryan deserves better than that and sodas match off and so does danny out link incurred vancouver and any of our quarterbacks like goodbye sean on don't let the door hit you on the way out holy cow gina level ask heartache right there <music> the guys welcome to a special edition of the podcast the official podcast and of the atlanta falcons on e._s._p._n. Podcast network. This is d w david walker. Thank you guys for joining us and today of got to special guests who we're going to help me take a look at the falcons moves this weekend to get down to their first fifty three man roster for the two thousand nineteen n._f._l. Season season it's an exciting time we have a lot to talk about some of the welcome to the podcast today first of all you've heard him through the preseason joining me on post game podcast. He is our photoshop aficionado. He is one of our writers at the alcoholic dot com. I am talking about evan burchfield in how you doing. I'm doing great. Thanks for having me again. Yeah absolutely and joining us as well is one of my favorites from the site great writer <hes> he is up and coming and he has been on podcast many times before you guys know him well. Of course i'm talking about odd non eac- each odd non are you doing. I'm doing very well. D-w football is in the air college started n._f._l. Is next week so it's a good time. It's a good time around yes. Yes indeed in the weather starting to cool off just a little bit and i love this time of year. So let's jump into it. We finally i think the the falcons skains announced the fifty three man roster about ten minutes before we're sup- before the deadline for those that don't know saturday august thirty first four p._m. Was the deadline for every n._f._l. Team to go from there ninety <hes> ninety man preseason roster down to the fifty three man roster. I do you want to put the caveat out there that this is the first fifty three man roster and very often teams continue to make cuts trades all the houston houston texans. We won't be talking about that but that's a perfect example of how the first fifty three man roster is not always the one that you're going to go into the season with but is the one we're gonna talk about. <hes> so we're gonna go position by position. We're gonna look at some of the guys who made the roster that maybe were some surprises erica talk about some guys who who didn't make the roster and what we think their status may be in the outlook for those guys <hes> going through the weekend and into the regular season so we're gonna start start at the top because we're starting ofensive side of the ball. I think the first position is not going to take a whole lifetime discuss because it's quarterback the falcons gins are keeping matt ryan they were. They're not cutting him. As many had speculated and of course his backup is veteran a seventy eight year old matt shop so i'm not i'll go to you first on this any surprises. Did you think that there is a chance of them. Carrying three years what you expect it given and i don't want to spoil it yet but given what they did with the running backs. I am not surprised at all. They didn't carry three. I think if kurt vancouver would have stayed healthy just showed out the way he did not hall of fame game than they may have carried three because you know you don't wanna risk someone blocking <unk> practice squad squad no surprise at all that they carried too and i'm looking forward to seeing the depth chart ahead of the minnesota game to see who starts a quarterback shooting this sunday sunday. We were starting with the trolling. I love it. Evan surprises acute q._b. For you the no <unk> it would have been a waste. I think to have a third quarterback on the roster. <hes> denny laine looked really good but like there was no reason to keep him on the roster so yeah i agree with what he said so and does not have to join the falcons practice squad <hes> he can actually go to any practice squad he wants if no team signs him to their fifty three man roster due on the put that out there in a lot of times these guys yes we make the assumption that they're going to end up on our practice squad <unk> in that's gonna be true of everybody not just at link but the caveat to keep in mind as we go through the weekend and we begin to see see you know the teams put together ten-man practice squad roster so all right. We'll move on because that clearly was not a surprise q._b. We got got it all right wide receiver going to go here next because i think there was one surprise here. It's one that i had actually predicted. A couple of weeks. Ago was reading the tea leaves. Little bit thought this might happen and it did wide receiver. We've got six guys. We know who the top three are. Julio jones muhammed sue calvin ridley after that russel gage had a fantastic preseason. He's great on special teams. We're gonna call him wide receiver four justin hardy. I think we have speculated that. He could be surprise cut. He still has a lot of values receiver. Falcons kept him on from the digital era. He's wide receiver five at wide receiver six. This is where i think a lot of people were curious. What the team was gonna do i had said in speculated that because <hes> marcus green had failed to stand out as a punt and kick returner and if anything he did a terrible job in the preseason even though he was drafted rookie rookie i felt like allama days keys was a much better option overall and in fact he got the final wide receiver for spot over marcus so this is marcus green. This is a little bit of a surprise usually teams lean towards keeping their draft draft player so evan. Go you with this. One your thoughts on these six wide receivers. Do you agree with zacchaeus. Being the choice here was sixth the right number. Whether your thoughts yeah i mean people were talking about them. Potentially keeping seven which i thought was a little rich for that position <hes> i mean i would. I wouldn't have had an issue with it if they did but i i just from marcus green. You know they really seem to have wanted him to be that punt returner <hes> more than actually like his wide receiver ability and he just really didn't show anything during the pre season that would make you want to get rid of <hes> one of these receivers that made the roster sure i mean certainly is made made the roster because he earned the spa. I think margaret green didn't it's like he had the because he was drafted. He kind of had the opportunity not that. It's a concrete thing or anything but you have a leg up on the others like you were saying like they want. They wanted him to win that spot and he just didn't <hes>. I'm sure they're planning on trying to get him on the practice squad and like you said anybody could snatch them up but <hes> certainly. I don't have any problem them with what they're with. <unk> with the wide receiver roster looks like right now. <hes> you mentioned there could be other moves in you know aside from something crazy. This is probably really what we're going to have and russell gauge definitely earned that fourth spot a hearty. Some people were saying should be released or whatever he you know he. He made some decent place during the preseason in if he's wide receiver i mean that's pretty solid like you wouldn't want him starting or being that third receiver but as a v receiver definitely so yeah. I don't have any problems with it at all on your thoughts. On the six receivers america's grain was terrible upon returner this entire season by he just went out. There never really did anything with the ball in his hands muffed two months all one early on the hall of fame game which recovered in then he must win against the jets which was just completely ugly. I agree with you guys. I think they wanted market's going to win that returner spot pod because then they could give him that sixth wide receiver role in they wouldn't have had to keep kenyan barner on the roster which is a luxurious a number of running backs overall which we have now but mark is green. He had the inside track. <hes> came in as a wide receiver as a punt returner absolutely absolutely absolutely did nothing with with his opportunity like you know i wish him while i hope he improves in finds a spot on an n._f._l. Roster in the future maybe next season maybe even on the falcons next season but alarmed as a key us went out there and he proved himself in the preseason he beat out not only mark is green but guys is like christian blake. Shaun bain who were other all undrafted wide receivers fighting for that scott alumnae zacchaeus also will have a <hes> has some value in that he also turned a few months in if anything happens to kenyan order anything can be slotted in the punt returner but i i like. I like at this move. Zacchaeus went out there and earned it. He wasn't given that inside truck. Mark is green didn't earn it and i mean i don't. I'm not really worried. I think they will agree on a practice squad but i'm not really worried about a team liking him author because i wouldn't want him on my football team based on the season already but i just point i think he'll be in training camp next off season flower for our next hour training camp flowery branch down into the point you guys has made. I actually think there would have been higher chance of zacchaeus being plucked off of our practice squad. The marcus green to the point you made on the green did not stand out he had some some terrible plays and i feel like if we had tried to stash zacchaeus <hes> he would have gotten plucked and possibly put on a roster given how he looked into preseason so i think this was a smart move by the team. <hes> they went with someone they went with the better player on the sleet and <hes> they deserve some credit on those only six round pick that they spent a marcus green but you know again. Teams don't like to waste draft capital and i feel like they made the right decision here so good on them. The next group that we're going to move to is pretty interesting because i think this is the one that's going to get the most fans talking through the next week and a half as we get ready for the regular season the running back group. We have six and i'm including a fullback in here so let's keep that in mind obviously the starter is devante freeman. We have either smith cordray allison the draft pick from this year brian hill who had a fantastic preseason kenya john barner who i guess we should put the caveat here that barner is probably going to be treated more like a quote unquote return specialist. It's very very unlikely that he's going to actually see any meaningful snaps at running back in and of course i guess i would say is was the bigger surprise is the fact that the the falcons did keep fullback ricky ortiz so we have six running backs on the roster odd non. Go first your thoughts. I don't know what the heck they're doing here. I understand i was expecting them to carry five running backs because devante freeman guy ito smith you know he's he's go to solid number two running back all new jobs drafted and he'll look good in the preseason brian hill just bought his way onto a roster spot with his performance in training camp preseason even if you did have that one drop touchdown pass anna in the jets game i think it was a i was expecting five five running backs barner one that return job fair and square. He is your return man. What are you doing with ricky ortiz on this roster as your fullback so you're taking away a roster spot from someone else which could have been better utilize keeping someone like keeping someone like on an austin larkin arken or a dull sean phillips whom i really liked the preseason instead you have ricky ortiz as your fullback. He's not even that good of a full bag. This is impact demarco marco. We're talking about here was gonna really contribute. You have a luke stocker who can play some full-back for you if you if need be jaden graham <unk> plates and fullback. I'm just i just am baffled with this move. I have no idea what they were doing keeping ricky ortiz on this roster i i think it's a bad move and i mean i guess i guess if this is the main thing we're complaining about keeping a full back on the roster than it. It's it's pretty it's first world problems in the football world right now. I have no idea what they're doing. <hes> evan your thoughts on six <music> six running back on the falcons. I fifty three man roster. Yeah i mean it's hard to add anything more to <unk> said. Is you know like i would have. I'm looking at the <hes> players we cut in. I would have been more okay if they kept like austin. Marketing chris owed him on the roster opposed to you know why why even avoir tease on up you know it could change still like you said at the top of the show <hes> hopefully it does but like i just don't understand it especially win all of a sudden i believe played some fullback in the final preseason game in like look serviceable like if they really needed him out there <hes> i don't know it would they use news <hes> full the full back position enough even have him on the roster out but looking at everybody else i mean it was they all pretty much deserve to be on the roster. <hes> <hes> tony brooks james. I think was the only running back we actually cut in. He actually had like a pretty good preseason altogether <hes> he had twenty five. You've twenty five carries altogether the averaged over seven yards which was pretty good two touchdowns in any ad that fifty two yard touchdown in the jacksonville game which was like really ed bouchette. It was more of a news more irving. Yeah yeah do more deserving ricky ortiz be on this roster for the non. I agree with that. I had actually correspondent on twitter with jason but of the athletic and he brought up one thing i think he even sort have dismissed it a little bit out of hand something to keep in mind he said one thing i'll say is that or four teas is still dealing with his ankle injury. The team is prohibited it from cutting him without an injury settlement <hes> so you know it and that's a good point i if you cut a player who is injured. You have to give him an injury settlement. Perhaps there waiting for him to get healthy and then they can just cut him outright this in. I think jason even agree. I don't necessarily think that's the case. I think they <hes> <hes> they view ortiz as someone who does well enough on special teams he has some value there and perhaps the they just weren't impressed with what they saw from luke stocker in june graham fullback. They felt like they still wanted him. In for the five or six plays a game. He'll be there as a fullback <hes> so we'll we'll see it's it's <unk> a developing situation. I'm not i'm still not convinced that we're going to go into the middle of the season with six running backs <hes> so we'll we'll see we'll see how this plays out but yeah definitely one of the more interesting <hes> parts of the roster for sure so let's move on the next position -sition. I think is not going to be a huge surprise again. This is going to have a name that i think all of us agreed. <hes> absolutely deserved the spot on the roster and that's the tight end group. We have <hes> austin hooper clearly starter luke stocker. <hes> who i felt like had a pretty decent preseason veteran guy obviously flee more of a blocker than than the receiving threat and then jane graham who was someone falcons brought in last year undrafted out of yale <hes> there were rumors is that apparently <hes> a foia lucon told the team about them and said you guys have got to bring him. Bring this guy in. He's actually really good. They listen. They brought him in to play tai. Dan he stayed on the practice squad. All throughout two thousand eighteen had a really strong preseason this year and he is the third tight end and i think it's fair to say that his strong preseason probably was a factor in the team trading away and moving on from eric sauber so evan. I'll go the on this one your thoughts on these three tight ends and if you feel like this is a good group yeah i mean it's hard to to think of anything. Better that could have happened in the falcons covered a sauber who ended up being cut anyways by the patriots. <hes> graham is probably i mean gauge would have definitely been if he played a lot more but grams been the biggest. I think offensive surprise <hes> aside from mcgarry did the other night. His graham certainly earned his spot. <hes> i think he led the team in receiving yards throughout the preseason just in his willingness to play fullback win warranties went down in the technically. It would have been what the force game <hes> in week three. <hes> you know it shows it was like he's willing to like do whatever to make the roster and he certainly earned it. You know austin hooper was obviously going to be the number one tight end so nothing thin special there <hes> soccer makes the as tied into basically and then they got rid of paulsen in outs gray was one. I was interested in <hes> through the off season because he was on the international program thing so he was finally able to make the roster <hes> but i guess they waived him with an injury settlement or something like that so you know i i like the tight end group. We have been graham certainly in the spot so <hes> <hes> your thoughts on these these three guys lining up a tie them of perfect absolutely perfect cooper stocker. They were going to be on the team regardless. If you cut stalker offer that would have been one point five million dollars in dead catholic. She would have had to eat going to do that. I'm going into this entire process in the summer. I didn't even look at the tight end position. I thought the main competition would have been between all logan paulsen in eric's albert if the team decided to carry three tight ends but i thought that at this that these four guys who per stock or paulsen in salvat how stranglehold on this position in maybe they did but then jaden graham just came and just like played with it's like his hair was on fire. He just inland it up he. He killed all all preseason all training camp. It made eric salver expendable. Eric sauber didn't really improve it all over these past few years he gets traded logan. Paulsen gets cut which was maybe the somewhat of a surprise when it was announced on friday but jagan graham completely earned his spot on this roster in this is just one of my favorite stories of the entire summer process for the atlanta falcons. This is a guy who just like came into training camp worked his butt off improved over the summer in just just earned a spot on the team he made it impossible for the coaches to stash them on the practice squad because he would have been snagged up off of it and he he just forced his way onto this team. I think that this can be an example to other young players. Were going out there trying to achieve their n._f._l. Dreams jason gram just did it. He just did that stuff. He went out there and he earned a spot in rhode article specifically talking about jaden graham in this entire process through the training camp and preseason. It just went live on the site yesterday and i never in my life thought that i would write eleven hundred words on jaden graham when i started when when i started doing this stuff but i love one of my favorite players on this team right now go out there and keep in keep frightening jaden. I'm legitimately excited to see what he can do. In the regular season and that's something we kept hoping that sauber would develop in developing that just never happen and it feels like graham has already made more improvements in his game in one year than sauber didn't three so i think that says a lot and it's clear reason he made the roster in suburb robert was just cut by the patriots as evans said all right last portion of the offensive unit before we move onto the defense the offensive line. We've got nine guys. I don't think there's any surprises here. I'm going to run through the name zero. Quick alex mack jake matthews chris lindstrom jamaa brown james carpenter matt gono tyson bro kayla gary and west schweitzer. I feel like it honestly. This was the unit that i thought would be here at this point in time. No one else you know stood out sean harlow. I think got his last go round with the falcons. I think they're probably going to move on from him. Permanently a <hes> really no big surprises here. I think this unit was going to be set up. Pretty is gonna be hard to crack this unit. If anything you may be hope that they carried ten guys but <hes> they're going with nine and these are the names so odd mon- any surprises anything that stands out to you with the offensive line. No surprises mag gano really stood out in the preseason in an i think there was a legitimate chance that he's going to line up at right tackle in week. One kale gary. I'm glad is healthy and i don't think that hell i'll start. I don't think his conditioning is really there yet. He said that he was tired at halftime the jacksonville game so i think it'll be you know week two or week three before calvin gary israeli thrown into the fire was super the best offensive lineman throughout the entire preseason process for me. I'm just glad that they finally moved on from sean. Harlow giancarlos carlos was a fourth round pick. I think he was the first pick in the dan quinn era absolutely terrible every year every single time i watched him him. He was absolutely dreadful. If i was lining up under center in my life was on the line and sean harlow is blocking for me. I would make peace with their life. This man does not deserve a spot on the scene. I hope is not on the practice squad. I never wanna see him in a uniform again. I wish him well in life but i mean yeah i. I never wanna see him. Blocking for matt ryan again because matt ryan deserves better than that in sodas matt job in sodas danielle link incurred banker in any of our quarterbacks like goodbye sean. Don't let the door who you on the way out holy cow but that it was a gina level. Ask heartache right there evan offensive line hard to follow that <hes> i do agree with uh sean hard i mean i think what makes it worse as they brought him back because didn't he go to go to seattle or something or was it indianapolis bouncing around to bring him back <hes> but now he's gone again so not to worry about that but <hes> no. I mean i like i. I was kinda nervous about them. Potentially starting some great low at right tackle <hes> but mcginlay it was just i was at the jaguars game of the week for jaguars game in everybody was taught like you know in the press box are not supposed to be vocal and stuff. Everybody was like oh my god. He's like bull rushing everybody just knocking the people down he like. He looked the part <hes>. If you go on any social media there's been more <hes> main media talking about him. I forget what the guy's name is. I wanted to do from n._f._l. Network i think baldinger or something like that. Did it good yeah. He did a good analysis on mcgee. During that game he just he had the instincts than i dunno fell start the first couple of weeks eight nine easy men because that was his first real action but <hes> he really like look the part so that's is promising. <hes> you know if they start go gano for the first couple of weeks. I think he's done enough in earn that spot. I wouldn't throw sam brillo out there anything but yeah no. I have no problems with offensive line group. <hes> you know it's pretty much like what you would hope like i mean could we always have better shirt by. <hes> mugabe has some optimism in my is where i'm like okay well. This could be definitely good on the right on the right side but we'll we'll see what happens absolutely so before we jump in the special teams and defensive players at the falcons kept this year. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by cox with contour t._v. 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I'm joined by odd on each evan burchfield from the phallic. <hes> we're talking about the falcons fifty three man roster that they announced on saturday before the four pm cutoff for the <hes> the announcement of the final fifty three and we're gonna talk now on the second half of the podcast about about special teams real quickly. The ones spend too much time on this one. <hes> hot takes on the special teams situation. We're talking about the defense so clearly the falcons kicking situation was getting bad in in went from bad to worse to vecchio struggled. This preseason zain was missing kicks wide left consistently. They brought in blair walsh who had a disastrous audition. If you will for the falcons they signed on him and he came in and did mostly what he has been doing since he got kicked a league a couple of years ago. The falcons finally reached reached out to matt bryant. They agreed to terms on saturday. He will be rejoining the team for the two thousand nineteen season evans excited about this <hes> i'll go to you first <hes> <hes> fox on matt brian bosscher josh harris rounding out our special. Yeah i mean it's a good feeling because it's basically what we're used to <hes>. It was gonna be weird weird having a different kicker back there any ways that you know it kinda helped to vecchio was just terrible the entire preseason <hes> i think it was wednesday or maybe it was thursday morning when it kind of leaked that that brian was coming in for a workout so then thursday night was the jaguars game so they had to becky oh and blair walsh ready in decky kicked the first half <hes> in mistake. If the i think it was like a fifty three yarder or something like that and it was pretty much like the moment if that happened i mean they were pretty much toast to begin with but that that ended his falcon journey in than the second half was blair walsh in <hes>. I mean he didn't look terrible or anything but you know you're not gonna go with blair. Walsh instead of map brian map on friday had his physical well in workout in did all the right stuff in the end now he's now. He's on the falcons in rejoined. The falcons in you know map ball shire's. I map all shirt josh harris. It's still snap balls so yeah. I like. I'm glad special teams is the same where we used to. I didn't want to get going on a rant so it was fun to they. Do i do think it's funny. I have to point out to our listeners. You guys aren't on twitter number. One follow both of our guys evan. I'm an odd non. We'll give you their twitter handles at the end of this but the atlanta falcons accounts directly directly tweeted at evan the map which was fantastic a absolutely fantastic odds on your thoughts on special teams unit now well. I just wanna say for one. I think i'm as happy for zaire. Through the entire lane. Struggling after brian dot released released on matt bosscher had a strong preseason josh heiresses steady as a metronome at lawn snapper and then we go into the kicking situation. The falcons really wanted <unk> giorgio tobacco to have this job. You can tell they gave him a two year your contract last season. They kept to kickers on the roster all of last season they had a plan to transition from brian <unk> vecchio. They didn't bring in any competition. The vacuum throughout training camp in the start of season in alta vecchio had to do was not suck yeah and wouldn't do that. He had it had a kick blocked sure from fifty two yards. He missed that thirty nine yarder <unk> four his kicks <hes>. I think if i don't have it wrong four or five minutes kicks in preseason in the problem is that he looked psychologically shot. We all know you've all seen tobacco's a good kicker kurt. He can make those kicks but when you when you're lost mentally when you don't have that short term memory of the kicker then you're finished in. I could tell with his his body language. He just didn't trust himself. I've seen it with a of wyo with the buccaneers before whom they spent a second round pick on him and and you know he was just like you know he just lost after a while with the bucks but this entire mouth brian choice and i just wanted to take a minute say okay that is this so hard like they botched this they released him and then they went back to him with their tail tucked between their legs the other day they gave him more money than what was on his team option in good from brian forgetting that brawl of his troubles throughout the off season that they they tried to bring him blair walls before i'm blair walsh was naps loot disaster as well. I'm glad that mob ryan is with the team and that this is a happy ending right now now because brian pro bowl level kicker in for you to go from a pro bowl level kicker to temecula potentially missing kicks that would have been noticed special teams. You don't notice special teams until something bad happens. In something bad was going to happen in that a drop off would have been would have been crucial for this team this season it could potentially cost them games that could potentially cost him late in the season the playoffs but i'm glad my brian's back doc. He was still nailing fifty five plus throughout the entire offseason based on videos. We saw on twitter and all's well that ends well. Let's let's get ready for the season absolutely grew. Both you guys. I think enough has been said. Bryant is back. The team i believe has learned a lesson lesson and i think this is it. This is more than likely going to be the last season for bryant in atlanta. At least we know that going in you know it's one year deal. Oh <hes> and i'm glad to see him back and i think it's important that your four no if if he never kicked again for the falcons the way it ended was sloppy as hell l. <hes> he had a game winner against the budget years to finish the season if they had a big lead up to it in happened. It would have been a much. I i mean obviously he wanted to keep kicking but it would have been much cleaner look as on on said dating back with their tail between their legs. It was ugly and now they've got to act like oh. We knew what we were doing all along that's b._s. Nobody actually believes that <hes> a now. They have an opportunity where if he just kicks this is his last season with atlanta or is last season kicking in the n._f._l. In general they get a redo to lay out the red carpet because he certainly deserves it but that's all i gotta say yeah. It'll be awesome if he just finished his career with the super bowl victory this season and you know just wrote off into the sunset that that would be amazing yep with the other i i would prefer blow out in the super bowl but if you've got a game winning kick in the super bowl that would be quite fitting so all right. We're gonna move the game winning kick in the last thing oh no. I'm going to have to drink tonight on. I was going to happen any not so well. <hes> we're gonna move onto the defense and we're going to start on the back end. Instead instead of in the trenches will finish up with a talk about trenches bell start with safety's. We got four for the two thousand nineteen roster. No surprises here here <hes> ricardo olympia under the o- clearly both guys are back. They played. They look like they're at one. Hundred percent can't wait to see them in regular season action the the two backups behind him. Come all ishmail good veteran strong safety. He's played strong safety for most of his time in the career. He's a kinda guy you like. He has started in a pinch a quality player and in straw newsmen who i felt like for some reason the falcons have had this love hate relationship with them and they finally have learned to love him. He is here to stay as a safety odd. Non your thoughts on on the four sixties. Were making the roster in this year on while i am kind of surprised that keanu neil oh just <unk> upset that he made his way onto the non getting no surprise is at all <hes> kamala schnell smell and rodney eastman or the backups. There guys of the team was comfortable with parker. Baldwin was good in the preseason. You know hopefully he latches on somewhere with another another team's practice squad or another team roster but <hes> these are the backups whom the team trusts. They've been with the team for a while. They're comfortable within dan coins defensive scheme kamala schnell is a guy who can drop down into linebacker very versatile whenever you need them to keep it short and sweet no surprises here allan neil ishmael in eastman. I mean i'm fine. I'm fine with this evan. Any additional facially ended ended up. Well you know they got rid of ronna. Martin was released in chris cooper parker baldwin. I don't think they did enough to where it's like. Anybody's gonna lose sleep tonight that they were like oh but <hes> i mean hopefully it doesn't matter who the backup safeties are because neil rico or you want to be perfectly fine so yeah no. That's all i can say over yup. Let's hope they stay healthy. I will say chris. Cooper thought had a really good preseason as well. He had several good games. <hes> i think he may be something <hes> someone that they look to <hes> to stash on the practice squad. Somebody might want to a see how he develops so that's the name to keep an eye out for all right. Let's go onto the cornerback so we've got six and i think you there's some key distinctions here because we've got a couple of guys or <hes> you know. We've got one guy in demotic easy who could always potentially switch over the safety. I sometimes you hear people refer to cornerbacks and safeties as just d._b.'s so we have ten. D._v._d.'s and i think that's a fair assessment but the six corners we've got listed are is as oliver desmond true font <hes> bleeding ray wilson demonte z. and then the two draft picks from this year kendall bill sheffield in jordan miller to me no big surprises. I think if anyone was going to sneak onto the roster it may have been chris cooper <hes> but but i didn't feel like he was a clear upgrade over anyone here so evan will go this one corners <hes> any surprises when you felt like didn't deserve it or <hes> should have made this group. I'm pretty much happy with what i see ryan. You got a lot of action during a preseason <hes> jason stanley kind of looked good towards the end there but then he got <hes> <hes> injured in that final game. I think it was like a shoulder injury <hes> but they waived him probably <unk> injury settlement <hes> but i mean i don't really see anything. That's like going to upset me. You know it's it's pretty much one of the groups. You probably could have predicted <hes> but yeah i'd i i like it. I'm interested to see what isaiah oliver does because i really didn't hear much about him. During the preseason <unk> robert alfred's gone now so you know taking over the starting job so that'll be very interesting and regular season. They're going to have a pretty good. He's going to have a pretty good test off the front. I'll know who is guarding. It'll be there adam thelander two days so he's not going to have an easy game or anything <hes> yeah i like. I like who we have yeah. It's i feel like it's it's a unit with a lot of youth and a lot of guys that fit the dan quinn mold on on your thoughts on these corners. I go evans sentiments of no surprises at all now. I'm having a really really hard time saying the word surprises surprises tonight. Man doesn't refund <unk> oliver or you're starting cornerbacks bleary. Wilson is competent veteran. A veteran backup on the squad casey is going to be your starting slot cornerback and they will put casey on the field as much as possible possible deservedly so he's an absolute ball hawk out there led the entire league interceptions last year sheffield and miller were to draft picks to guys assume you have high hopes for moving forward. Kennel sheffield is arguably fastest person in this draft class. We couldn't see him run his forty time officially kelly because he was he was hurt for it but kendall sheffield runs afford to forty by some by some estimates crossing jordan. Jordan miller is absolutely perfect for dan quinn's cover three zone scheme and i think i think we'll hear will hear more from mm sheffield in miller moving forward. I don't think we'll hear their names very much barring injury or some something catastrophic but no surprise with any of the cornerbacks just like what safeties ready to roll with them <hes> so i i think you know much. Many of these other positions not a ton of <unk> <hes> surprises here so yeah. I'm pleased with this group. Obviously sheffield miller showed enough that you're gonna walk away from this point right and again. If anyone bleary maybe you take a chance on younger guy but like what he offers as a veteran a bigger veteran the kind of body eisai's that dan quinn like so good group of feel feel pretty good about this <hes> we will be talking about a zale oliver. I think <hes> before the regular season gets here because is he someone who's flown under the radar and i find that very interesting especially for someone at the corner position so definitely named to keep an eye on. I think he could be a breakout <music> out candidate for the defense this year all right next group. The linebackers got some this is. I am really legitimately excited about this group of linebackers news with maybe one exception we are keeping five linebackers this year and here the names dion jones obviously early devinder campbell for your sawday lucon. Germain grace has made the roster fifty-three master and of course i do crowley about it was not intentional <hes> and the the big name here who did not make the roster was <hes> the veteran they brought in last year bruce carter he <hes> he ended up being the odd man out and i think exist that was a direct result of the fantastic fantastic preseason of germain grace so i'm on the on this one linebacker comebacker whether you think on german grace was absolutely fantastic. I would have been legitimately upset if you would have been left off this roster every time every single game every time i i looked up. He was making a play on defense all fantastic. He added that interception against i think it was a new york jets or maybe it was the dolphins and my memory's kind of easy right now for he brought about driving a two yard line and then sean harpo had a holding penalty in only a field goal out of it but i di gra but but <hes> german grace was awesome. I think duke riley did just enough in a preseason game against the redskins where he had that fantastic run stopped <hes>. I think dan quayle was going to talk himself into keeping duke riley on the team. He just needed to see something in he saw something in that game because does juge riley is he was technically a third rounder but they traded back into the early third round. He was actually the team second rounder in. I think twenty twenty seventeen if i have not yet in twenty seventeen so if i'm not super shock the duke riley is on the team bruce carter he. He gave us some very valuable snaps last year when he replaced duke riley who was absolutely awful last season. I think <hes> carter will be there in case we need him hill. He'll be the first call they make off free agency. He's familiar with the game so hopefully nothing happens but if it does then. I don't think think we've seen the last two bruce carter. One guy in i mentioned it earlier del chantal to someone who who also really impressed me in this preseason someone who i think had. Maybe an outside shot of a of making this team. I hope that he'd on a- practice squad they waived him and gave him an injury resettlement but i hope this isn't the last we've seen of him but you know i mean who who needs who needs solid defensive play when you can keep the target is that <hes> explained it perfectly. I i just i think with grace with the exception of jalen graham. I don't know of anybody who has earned a roster spot more on this team and you could say he may have even even earned it more than graham. He's just another example of this team drafting or not drafting somebody bringing somebody in and then he goes off but comes back unlike the bryant bryant hill did with going to cincinnati. I believe in coming back germaine grace they had brought <unk> undrafted in twenty seventeen. I i believe that if my mind serves me right he went to or he was with us had like a decent preseason or whatever <unk> team opted to keep bringing sean weatherspoon it was like old at that point <hes> and they let him go and then he went to he bounced around went to the colts the browns seahawks and then we came he came came back and all of a sudden this this preseason. He's lighting it up. He had <hes> he had an interception for touchdown and then i think in the last game he did but there was like a flag or something but he he's got that <hes> k._c. Thing where it's like. You don't know what you wanna do with him but you just know you want him on the field because it's he's he's a weapon ex-packer <hes> which is kind of like what casey's been showing <hes>. I'm very excited about him because i hate to brag or anything like that but i was one of those like when we first brought him in i was like because i already knew who he was in. I was really hoping the team would keep him in obviously usually he didn't end up on our practice squad <hes> or make the roster but when he came back i was thrilled because i didn't know like i'm not going to say i know what what he's doing now these balling out <hes> this whole preseason but he knew he had some potential any showing. I couldn't be happier form. He's definitely learned a spy <hes> yeah. I mean any so young too. It's like we. We have a great young defense. I mean if you look at the team. Overall our veterans quote unquote are like kiana neon dion jones. It's like you know you're still young lady gary. That's already leaders in their not <unk>. They're younger than i am. I i mean. I don't know i love the defense. <hes> just shows you. They're obviously going to take a leap leap this year because we've got healthy guys and stuff like that but it's like even the de is great so by it's tough to follow up on onset because he broke it down so perfectly and so i just wanted to focus on grace 'cause he's stood out clearly to everyone agree with both you and and i'm excited about grace dan quinn bottom the guys got fantastic coverage abilities <hes> you know he may need to work on his run <hes> his run defense but you put this guy against a running back and i feel like he's an yet again another linebacker that can stick with guys in coverage which is in in today's n._f._l. L. is arguably more important than the run stopping <hes> so to wrap up our conversation about the defense. We're going to talk about the defensive line nine nine guys over all this is going to include both interior and the pass rushers because i think this year we're going to see some odd formations. We saw some five two formations formations from the falcons upfront in the preseason. We could see some truth. Three four looks with guys tack kinley standing up <hes> so we're just going to treat the defensive offensive line is one unit nine guys here the names alan bailey who they recently signed from kansas city adrian clayborn who's coming back from the when <hes> when you're with patriots john kaminski the fourth round draft pick attack mckinley vic beasley junior evans favorites. It's jack crawford. <hes> who is criminally underrated <hes> fantastic interior pass rusher deodorant who think many people thought might be on the bubble. He has made the roster roster tyler davidson who was arguably one of the free agent signings of this off season and of course crazy jarrett grady did make the roster oster this year one name that we are not saying rasheed hagman who <hes> the falcons could potentially still carry on the roster he will not count towards is a fifty three because he has served a two game suspension at the beginning of the season so you could potentially say this defensive line has ten <hes> and i'm not sure if someone that factors into the long term plans for the falcons <hes> but he could be carried for the first two weeks cut in week three or the teen in could look to make moves full-back to keep him. We'll see that's that's. That's something that's certainly going to be a spoke. We the foul colleague. We'll keep an eye on that all right. Evan your thoughts on this defensive line any guys. You feel like maybe should have made it. That didn't make it here. I mean guessing <unk> liked would austin larkin was showing but at the same time i don't see anybody who makalake who made it that that i would want to get rid of except for you know if you start looking elsewhere and get rid of ortiz. I would have been fine with that but i mean everybody who's on the defensive line. <hes> pretty much earned their spot mickey. Look great this preseason. <hes> you know he was kind of limited towards the beginning of preseason but then when he did play looked really good that everybody remembers the mckinley interception happened. I think even the board game and you know oh. Everybody focuses on that but that was because sonata got back there in basically punched the ball out you know in mckinley just happened here. Yeah i mean i don't i'll have a problem with its defensive line at all <hes> if you notice they're all kind of molding into like they're all basically have one trait in common in its at. They're all all kinds of high motor guys or they don't take they don't slack off or they shouldn't be what dang gwynne basically has been preaching forever. <hes> even kaminsky in the preseason games. You'd see him like pretty much. Get pushed out of the play but he'd still run across and get back involved. He was in taking golf plays. <unk> mattered all <hes> bottoming. I loved the defensive line. I think it could be one of the strengths of the falcons this year. <hes> that's saying a lot considering. They've been piss poor for as long as i can remember <hes> all of a sudden. It's always been something thing we go into the season like oh god i wonder with a pass rusher run stoppers what it's going to look like this season. I actually don't have that a feeling <hes>. I'm pretty excited about it. Even vic beasley as bad as he's been is like look good in limited action. He's had <hes> intact back you know he. He looked good when he played too. It's <hes> it's going to be very interesting in like yeah you were saying jack. Crawford is underrated. I think <hes> <hes> also i think tyler davidson who we signed a in the off season who who was pretty good rotational player with the saints for many years <hes> <hes>. That's a very underrated signing. I think in limited action he seen look nearly good too so it's like i don't know who you would complain about removing moving to bring one of these guys that got cut back onto the roster aside from you know like i said looking at a different position but no i'm content with this defensive line on that is often good you on any the final thoughts on the defensive line. I really liked the defensive line. There's no superstars outside of grady jarrett in potentially tax mckinley. Hopefully this season but i think this is the deepest unit on the team except for maybe wide receiver everyone on this team deserves to be on the team like evans said i think any he one of these nine guys if the falcons had parted ways with any one of them they would've immediately been on another team's roster they brought in alan bailey lee which eases my concerns about the pass rush out we're not super reliant now on tack in vic beasley having to go out there and how great seasons as <hes> as pass rushers hopefully they do but before the alan bailey signing had one of them underperformed than it would have we would have been left with adrian clayborn born who's solid but who's not like going to go out there as this like incredible pass rusher unless he's playing chaz green in the cowboys grade <hes> <hes> john kaminsky looked really good in that hall of fame game. I remember he was maybe the teams best player even punt coverage. He was always the first player downfield appealed in punt coverage. That's insane for a man of his size he he was solid. He's someone who i was always looking forward to watching especially mostly in the late in the game when the starters were out and it was just like a punishment app to watch those games because they can get really rough <hes> jack crawford super solid very good player. I think he was second on the team. In sacks last season deodorant not was a third round pick and he it shows himself last season. He was very solid. I'm glad he made the team. Tyler davidson is someone. I'm i'm excited about. We snagged him from the saints. He's maybe abo the best run style for on the team outside of grady jared. You know he's a specialist <hes> as a run stopper in this entire unit. I mean very good very good unit. There are gonna be able to rotate. Dan coin loves to rotate is defensive line. Defensive line is bread and butter butter. That's what he he came up of teaching. That's his background right. There in we finally have like evans said for the first time in. I don't even know how long this defensive line is an area of strength and i'm excited for going into the season so to round out the podcast. Go the each of you. Once i want should give me one name. That was cut that you feel like <hes> is someone to watch out for for the future for this team <hes> or that you think even potentially could end up at some point on the two thousand nineteen roster odd non. Who's that one name that was cut that you think hey this. Guy's got the chance of of becoming something someday delphine phillips someone. I've mentioned him a couple of times. I don't think that the team would really call him. This season. I think <hes> bruce carter will be called before him just in in case but is someone in the future. He really impressed me throughout this entire preseason. I really liked what i saw from him out. There making plays <hes> unfortunately finally didn't end up on the team but i think i don't think this is the last we've heard of del. Sean phillips is how i'm gonna put all right pencil that name in falcons fans pay attention for twenty twenty one these think <hes> the falcons aren't really lies as you saw what i saw from daily <hes> i've for many years wondered if the falcons would cause they really haven't invested in any any sort of developmental <hes> they had <hes> sean renfrew <hes> john renfrew in that was like the most they actually did with it until banker looked good in obviously got her for emily. I thought had a solid week four preseason so it's is not like he was playing starters or anything but <hes> he so athletic <hes> you can see why the patriots moved him to receiver briefly before they got rid of a aw in his pocket. Presence is really good <hes> i think he tries to run a little bit more than he probably should. <hes> by. I i mean. I thought you know apply not. Don't you know if he if he makes it through. Put him on the practice squad. You know see what you can get out of the next year. <hes> in like i wanted to go with <hes> austin larkin in just because i thought he had a really solid preseason also <hes> he was like one of the leading tacklers so those would be the two but i like deadliest settling lot so we'll see for me. It was chris cooper a thought he we looked pretty good this preseason. The falcons actually signed them to a two year contract so i i think they like what he has to offer. He's a name i'm gonna i pay attention to <hes> throughout the season. I think they're going to again. Try the statue stash him on the practice squad. <hes> some of the key on <hes> should the team have any injuries. He's someone could potentially sneak on the roster in two thousand nineteen if anyone gets banged up and has to take some time off so with that. We're going to wrap up this a special edition that the faculty podcast. I'm going to go to these two guys to let them tell you where you can find them. <hes> they do fantastic work at alcoholic dot com of course we can find on oliver. Write ups in all of our analysis of the roster the games. Everything's coming up for this exciting two thousand eighteen season evan. Tell you you find us on twitter at burchfield <hes> usually talking about will not so much matt brian anymore because especially back so pretty much fantasy football falcons at this point. There's really nothing else to talk about. <hes> in working on a will have a after the game aim. I got to talk to jack. Crawford in e actually said a lot about the defensive line <hes> so i'll have been article on that in <hes> yeah. Just i'm <music>. I'm so ready for the regular season against here. <hes> you know it's like once once. The off season is kinda. Slowing down there <hes> towards towards training camp like it picks back up preseason just gives you a little taste a real football but not enough to quench your thirst so to speak so now that we got some real action in coming up a very excited going against the vikings is going to be a really good test for this team <hes> though yeah examining always odd none so our listeners really can find you what you've gone. I don't want you guys to find. I'm getting find me at say which way on twitter that's my twitter handle also talking a lot of football a lot of atlanta sports in general you can find my work on the falcons <unk> which you know i'm. I'm a little biased but i think i think it's the best site borough falcons news. It's just a one stop shop. All of our writers take everyone on the staff. 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The Dimitroff Years: 2019

The Falcoholic

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The Dimitroff Years: 2019

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Yeah we'll have fun the first time around and this is going to be interesting here as we dive into the two thousand and nineteen season second to last year for thomas mitchell and dan quinn for that matter with the atlanta falcons. Let me set up. What got us into this season so obviously the two thousand eighteen season was absolutely by injuries. Numerous starters were out for extended periods of time during the year Several guys such as kiana. Neil missed the entire year and the team ended up finishing seven nine. They decided to fire. Offense coordinator steve's occasion and defensive coordinator. Marquand manuel dan quinn instead of hiring another defensive coordinator promoted himself to defensive coordinator in the takeover to play calling in two thousand nineteen And the most impactful move was the falcons hiring dirk cutter to be the offense coordinator and you know. I know we're here to talk about thomas dmitrov and what he did but allen. I just wanted to get your thoughts. Since we're here about the fact that they did bring dirk koetter back. And letting go steve sarkisian. Because if there's one thing the falcons podcast is we are definitely an anti dirk cutter podcast. So what refunds of them bringing back the former offensive coordinator eight days prior to them hiring. He was fired as ten base coach. Oh yeah yep. And that's those thing because you look at those atlanta tampa begging for the most part lineup beat them convincingly there were all that competitive. Especially when the falcons were really good twenty sixteen two thousand seventeen The higher i think it was viewed pretty underwhelming just because everything you heard about. Tampa bay was toxic organization. I know people could maybe reliable issued familiarity. But it's just there nothing but his experience everybody that built any enthusiasm but him coming back and maybe ryan you know his moves for matt ryan but i just think with the offenses are you see the new way you see not restart motion. Flash just seem like what cutter. Everything seems very archaic very old school. And that's what goes mccain for wish. But i do know people chance effect. They had that old report. Maybe a two thousand twelve season but it's just like who has that many of their color. And whether you refer to falcons of the bucks are many no and honestly. I think the falcons were hoping that they would reestablish the run after two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen circuits and did a good job of organizing the passing game but the running game fell off a bit. I don't know why you felt like dirt. Cutter was going to improve that. He never had a good running game. Atlanta never had a good running game in tampa You know just not anything that he was inch seemed interested in the guys would apparently just completely abandoned the run no matter what the situation so yeah. I've heard people argue that Bringing back dirk koetter was. What truly ended dan quinn some atlanta and i have a hard time disagree with that. I think he absolutely tanked the offense and was a big factor. Can't dispute that if you just at the time when that happened people just so sick of sarkissian at this point. They're just they want anything so there is a proposal cutter and you're gone to a little bit just because i was like okay. Maybe era. I just want to see matt ryan no back to his best but ethic by what week for that tennessee game which that's not see games stars like okay. This this is on. This is good and then by november just like all right gotta go. Yeah going left them. We ran it back again. And and that's what we saw this year so fun times all right. Let's talk about the free agents. What happened in that period. Just got a little over a year ago. It seems like a lifetime As you and. I were talking before we got started. Allen one of these things which will get to in a second felt like it happened a decade ago was just not even not even two years ago at this point but the first thing was for the first time in a long time the falcons ended up using their franchise tag and they used it on defensive. Tackle grady jarrett. I can't remember the last time they used it. I think it may have been with. Michael keenan are former punter. The year before he left and went to tampa bay. But in this case with gregg jarrett they at the last second. I want to say it was the day before the franchise tag would have been locked in. They did workout in the new deal with him for years. Sixty eight million dollars. Forty two and a half million guaranteed nowhere near the aaron. Donald money that some people were scared of but in my mind a great value for fantastic player. What are your thoughts on getting that deal done with arguably our best defensive player in longtime absolutely i'd be coke like in july might be like ours. It might be like four hours before it was really edinburgh. People wondering rather as arkansas. He thinks he's dollar. That's the will never like an agent And really know who's asian is. There was like some coat that came out and just gives them. It gives like a stick on player. I think everyone knows great chair. He's like most likeable players he dislodged. The community is a great teammates. I've never heard a bad word about mci decisively. I interviewed jack crawford. While same day he got extension or it got the new deal and general You can have put him in like a higher pedestal. Jarrett's just type of player. You want your locker that the centerpiece of your defensive line. He just turns player what he does against run. He's really evolved as pass rusher so that was done because a defense day is consistently seems to be in rebuilding mode. He's wanted through consistent difference makers and you keep players that you could be the siamese your yeah the people who didn't want to give him aaron donald. I can understand that to an extent. But if you're looking at guys you know in that defensive tackle tier obviously aaron. Donald is in a tier by himself that basically just separate him from everyone else. I think he can make a strong case. Grady jarrett is in that next year underneath the aaron donalds. He's a guy like you said. Great against the rhine arguably one of our best pass rushers just devastating up the middle and the most consistent you know and that is something this defense with no help around him for a long period of time either on edge the next to him. He's still produces even when the other team knows. No one else is going to do anything so really really remarkable and and honestly the four-year deal allows him to really get another big contract at the end of this year because i think he was twenty five when he signed this one So he'll be twenty nine by the time this deal ends and he'll still have several good years in front of them so a good opportunity for him to get paid yet again In good for him he. My mind certainly deserves it. All right the we were talking about earlier before you can get into like the free agent departures. All this stuff was the matt bryant fiasco and for those who don't remember yes. This was two thousand and this was talking about earlier completely forgot that this was this season the previous year in two thousand eighteen bryant missed several games due to injury. Giorgio vecchio Came in and basically hit every single kick while he was filling in for matt bryant The team carried both of them on the roster through the remainder of the two thousand eighteen season which to be clear carrying two kickers on your roster is weird as hell. No the nfl. does it. Accept the falcons apparently And into the season falcons cut matt bryant Instead of letting him compete with tha vecchio and camp and alad tobacco basically had a meltdown a mental meltdown. In camp. it got so bad. They they brought in blair walsh at one point to come and compete. You're right and i think they ultimately ended up bringing back matt bryant. Who was essentially counting towards the cap. Twice for the falcons in two thousand and nineteen So with that recap what were your thoughts on. How the the falcons organization sort of handle all that because it seemed like just a complete bungling of that entire situation remember preseason games washington and the made it clear the jets and are subject. You missed a couple. It just seemed like in september. There was a few things that they should have handled. It went down saliva. They all think map. Bright humans like we won a moore julio's kind of holding out get his new deal till like the day before the vikings game. So who's a certain things going on. Just like why. We're talking about franchise mainstay map. Brian lou. jones. Like what is going on right now. Where things in organizations their own in the past it builds stability like you'll see them having issues when it comes to flare relations usually get contracts things so the map brian thing it seemed nc my handle right i of i remember that giants game on it. A few big gigs. But you got more than a couple of games to improve yourself as legitimate kicker. So i think going to youth route spent over are approving legend matt ryan. No he's hampering issues but it should have been open competition look. They showed accountability their words for it in week. One that bryant was there in the injuries. Different took it's all but the. Yeah i su- august-september is that preseason was so weird because it just seemed extreme positions. There was this feeling of uncertainty and usually get that when it comes to falcons immunity organization. So yeah that's a great point at it. Seems like traditionally especially under dmitrov. They seem to have their act together. And you nailed. It seemed like there was just a lot of the sort of nonsense and you know discord. That really wasn't something that even even in the bad years with mike smith Didn't seem to rear its head One less thing they did free agency. You just mentioned it. Julio jones it was september twelfth as a matter of fact you were dead on where. Julio jones got his new three year deal sixty six million dollars the in the wake of several other wide receivers. Getting that money and this was a big deal. Because i believe most of that. Contract was guaranteed basically assuring that jones be here through his age thirty five season And we are essentially. He's got two years left. I think at this point through twenty twenty one twenty twenty two being his last year. What were your thoughts on. Julio getting this extension because arguably he was still one of the greatest wide receivers in league in two thousand and nineteen decided to be done more key. Say what jones is proven stabbing. You robert mays. I think he julio's average one hundred and two catches and team hundred yards or something. Like i know he has like one hundred two catches may one thousand four hundred eighty five yards or Like it's hard to find that production and the you could talk about touchdowns as such now. This guy's movement chains. He's making plays. He's defensive to come from all times. What mortgages for from wide receiver. I do want to point out though that all season. I remember everyone's favorite wide receiver. Michael thomas got paid in august. So those wrongly old cafe Get paid. I will love the hope lou. Jones get paid because a discrepancy there. I think people will aware of this considering a few weeks after thomas's memorable showing against the tampa. Bay buccaneers individual o. alley. I love it man. We're coming in here slamming cutter coming in here. Sleep in michael thomas. This is one of the faculty. Podcast is about yes because you all pupil derogated paid. I think oh yeah who remember. I tweet and naive. I was wondering like why do people really dislike. and this was august dozen nineteen and. I was like okay. He he flexes. After i down again the way. Why do people really disciple us. And then the next sixteen months up like our makes sense. Now yeah in out you know. I think the comparisons between him. And julio were ridiculous to begin with their completely different stahl receivers but let's not even get into playoff production. You hinted that my my receiver played on turf toe and still managed to put up an incredible performance So yeah so. That is basically just some of the housekeeping. The falcons did in two thousand eighteen. Let's talk about some of the guys who ended up leaving the team. Because there's a good number of names here. And i want to get through some of these quickly but also mainstays. Yeah the first one was start with. Cornerback robert alford Former second round pick brought in the same time as desmond trufant he ended up signing with the cardinals with your thoughts on The falcons spinally deciding to move on from alfred. The argument the player that that the fans had truly mixed emotions about want nick. My robert offered you either really for him or just were beyond sick of him. I was always big offered. I know the penalties became. It became a particular early on sixteen. But noah could denied his Ability like he played a lot at tencent he was always Let not this go would not go down. And if more times not he played role to do all. Never forget that rams game the plus he he was making plays loaded fuel seventeen was his best season and then just habits eighteen. He became legitimate liability. Lick it was at core. Baxter pecan every week. I know he a hamstring issue. But i think at this point or that point time lake year. Thirty years old at it was rollins. I quin look at the dress. Mr joan collins is l. Quinn never quite saw him to be a star but stakes in the draft and then offered plan a relatively high level. Like okay got to keep him. But i don't think quinn ever really truly wanted him to be a star. I think just more often really proved himself and then gel cons against that young standard chief is albert wasn't quite right at the time and They just had had pneumonia over by the create but us. I mean it was right because as as you remember eighteen. Oh yeah yeah and as you mentioned he was right there. I it's funny. It seems like with corners. Now you know. We've always talked about the thirty wall with regards to running backs but it seems like that starting to become a trend with cornerbacks as well where these guys get up to twenty nine thirty in the performance just off considerably and i think that was the case with robert alfred. I think the next year we would also be the case with desmond trufant and you know just unfortunate but It used to be these guys could play into their mid thirties. You know sometimes. Late thirties with some players but fields. Yeah absolutely and some of the guys would make a shift over to safety. you know. Extend their career and we we've seen few times but it seems like now these guys are really sort of hitting their peak and then just fallen off a cliff around thirty thirty one years old so next player that left the team. This one was not surprise. Still disappointing was running back. Tevin coleman obviously the team given a an extension to devante freeman It was the writing on the wall for coleman They were not going to pay two running backs It just doesn't make sense in today's nfl he ended up signing with the forty niners which no big surprise Although not for big money so What are your thoughts on the team. Walking away from. Tevin coleman is exciting player but he's also been limited as you know always struggle balanced. Never quite someone like a care too low. But i think people kinda took a liking tacoma just because of his spe- into someday provide that i no is explicitly. That gets you going and van. So i think that's why people had salsa. He was never the one that i think could ever care to float or celinda was consistent. Which is why. I think he only got to year ten million dollar deal so it was not surprised. Have gone up. People really start getting behind. Basically twenty sixteen twenty seventeen in the ryan was on the wall and with the team committing to to freeman With the big money contract he got it just wasn't gonna work a few more names Tied in logan paulsen ended up signing with the texans. No big lost their defensive brooks reed. Who played his entire contract with atlanta. A rare rare occurrence in the nfl to play your actual full contract and it was brooks reed did it He ended up. Also signing with the cardinals. The cardinals i think seemed to love. Former falcons defensive players know corey. Repeaters him weatherspoon mountain. Right yeah oh my god. So johnny brandon. John abraham is that just. Because i remember that johnny got released. But oh you're not kidding. The cardinals love our defensive players. Which shows you. They've got a scouting issue or colonel. Might be next to number eight very well might be at this point. My goodness um quarterback. Brian poole who the signing with the jets defensive and derrick shelby Who ultimately was just cut did not get signed elsewhere and Defensive end slash outside linebacker. Bruce irvin signed with panthers a few more names. And i'll get your thoughts and some of these names that have left a andy. Lavizzari ended up. Retiring are starting left guard And we also lost justin bethel who signed with the ravens. Ben garland who signed with forty niners. Zane beatles who i completely forgot was on the team and safety jordan lease. So all right brooks read brian. Poole bruce irvin andy lavizzari. Any of those names jump out to you as oh god. We couldn't afford to to to lose them or do you feel like most of these moves made sense. Most these moves made sense. Because you're missing someone am i. Who am i missing. I believe ryan was released that season. Two oh my goodness yes As a ma yeah. You're right yup thank you. He he did not end up signing elsewhere i think he ended up just ultimately retiring Yeah and brad shirk. I thought he was the most consistent. Right tackles for what about four seasons and kelly robert offered his pledges fell for cliff in two thousand eighteen When he got benched. But i'm not gonna forget how good of sugar was from two thousand fourteen to seventeen in Is kinda like tyson global war. Just like wow. Don't quite appreciate them but then just realize longevity just always having that player right there. It's like okay. I rely on him play at a relatively high level every weekend. I was also formed when i was covering games. He would eric around the two guys. I knew i could get interview with. It was always very reeducate. E even after like i was there when they lost the eagles and he talked he's gear. We got looked up front as a brand graham flexible. They'd be like he was always on shredder. And i think when he will. It wasn't surprising. Because i just think they had to unearth just because his But and he was like thirty two years old as well. I definitely think ryan schrader with someone that was one of the more under appreciate offense line. We look at the past decade. Someone looked he was undrafted. So goes at the mutual for finding and mike smith as well so very good player in his prime man. So when that it wasn't a big loss given fall play but so i should be remembered so much anti betrays well who was a big Sixteen offense the both guys. I think underrated for their contribution in two thousand sixteen. I'm so glad you brought up. Brian trader kazaa non-intentional leading off list. But certainly a guy that As you mentioned. I think for a couple of years there You know if you're a fan of advanced analytics. He was one of the top. Rated tackles right tackles by. Pf for like two or three years in row and Deserved every penny. He got without extension. Kim mitchell schwartz lane johnson those like the main threat always mercy. And that's that's that's pretty big deal. That's really good company to keep and to think there was a season where he had to watch Jeremy true blood play in front of him while he sat on the bench then gave karimia for start right. Tackle that says avoid I think maybe they gave a more homes a game but it wasn't so like i was saying tober twenty fourteen Started i thought might have been that awful london which i know no one's talking about and he just took it from there. Yeah now i remember. I think one of his first starts was against the forty niners and he had a play where he literally went to block a guy and he fell face forward into the dirt and i was laughing hysterically but for the rest of the game. I remember watching him thinking. Oh my god this guy this guy may actually be pretty good and Yeah as you mentioned. He ended up turning in a pretty good career in atlanta brooks read though he was actually thank house mitchell. That was the first time. Remember it was him. And then i think justin durant brooks read actually finished his contract and you know he's on the make contributions i think twenty sixteen seventeen one the key of rotational pieces on a defense line but someone so while other place it sounds minutes him just like the dow fell for a lot of players which is why it went seven nine but regression that it can make up for a special injuries of neil jones. Yeah yeah it's just way too much to compensate with the lack of depth of the had and even even with guys like stepping up in that two thousand eighteen season just too much to overcome. And as you mentioned brooks reed was one of the first free agent signings for dan. Quinn finished out. Like i said it is so rare in the nfl to play through an entire contract. And he did he. He didn't falcons so kudos to him. still in league So god bless him He just three weeks ago. It's the ravens given jack hall frothy delyle's while might variable work with pieces here. Yeah absolutely i will always brewery. Maybe not worth the money. But he was. He was a good guy. Some of the guys. The falcons resigned new deals quarterback matt shaab. Who's thirty eight when we got him to another one year extension wide receiver judge. Hardy yeah. The legend matt schaub wide receiver. Justin hardy one year deal offensive. Tackle tyson brio interesting With him. I think we had him for just a one year deal. And cornerback bleeding wilson. Who apparently we only we wanna keep around forever. But only on one year deals This was the third year to row where he got a one year. Deal from the falcons. You've gotta prove it. That's just make him prove it every single year. A any any strong feelings. About the guys at the falcons decided to keep around on understandable san braille. That was huge. Which i think. Are you posting it. 'cause it wasn't like three years eighteen million just like wait a second. What was the makings finds that but besides that thing straight for but The ever had Permits down to that. Just because they're just track record was very very suspect. Although i will say in the light of the new coaching staff arthur smith had him as a starter for the titans for a good bit of this season in twenty twenty and he made good use of them so We'll because lewa went then right. Yeah tiller Down in in some brownfield field in and he actually did a fairly good job in. Yeah as you mentioned. That deal was for three years. Fourteen point two five million from some braille. Okay yeah kind of painful hindsight all right some of the guys that they signed fresh off the street. We obviously have to start with the two names especially in what we're gonna talk about in the second half and we get into the draft class. The falcons will ultimately sign to not one but two offensive guards. And obviously i think this was a response to what happened in the two thousand eighteen season. We mentioned the injuries andy. Lavizzari struggled to get back on the field and two thousand eighteen. Know they they went through sort of a rotation of guys You know. Ben garland. West schweitzer So the to offensive guard spots. Were definitely an issue. For the falcons. In two thousand eighteen and thomas dmitrov decided that he wanted to get that six and he signed offensive guard. Jim brown and offensive guard. James carpenter so allen. We'll talk about the draft in the second half. But what were your thoughts when the falcons went out and signed to starting guards instead of just going with one and one of the drafter whatnot from his standpoint of okay. If you look at it like that guard play it was just. It was beyond deplorable. It was like okay. This is not professional level. So i think it falls again from the metro. Standpoint was more. okay. We're trying to get to adequate guys here. It's like okay The night difference makers but they are at least someone. Starting caliber is the whole issue. Wants little beach down. some i never been hired schweitzer orleans as fun as the years is okay. He's a backup some of that. You can't really don. So all right they're gonna take guys that i guess with someone. Respect boy no corporation team use the jets and these these job and that brown was around. Isn't they want to get tougher thing. I think you'll dmitrov in platelets. Ultimate hokey can have it ryan taking beating anymore because easily forty-one sacks or whatever and the press conference we get bigger upfront so she goes cutter was kind of moving away from the zone blocking scheme. So that's why they decided what practical it was. Just okay. you're taking players. Averages best guess average at best is better than non league caliber which seemed to be the case in Absolutely i think at the time most of us thought. Okay they're getting too big bodies This is a clear sign that they're gonna move away from the wide zone running scheme. Of course what they ended up doing in the draft made that also seem to be the opposite case of. I think this is now. We're getting to the point. Where thomas dmitrov. Dan quinn in the offense. There's not any true leadership in what they're trying to do. So you end up seeing sort of this mishmash of moves For the offensive line and just sort of discombobulated in their approach. But as you mentioned. I think they're just looking for starters to fix the issues. Jamaa brown got three year deal worth eighteen. Point seven five million James carpenter the older of the two got a four year deal worth twenty one million so in your europe year value but a little bit more in total value So those guys obviously jamaa brown with last exactly one year with the vulcans and James carpenter at this point is still on the team. We'll see if that remains the case. After the falcons have to make some moves to get under the salary cap all right some other guys they brought in. I remember this guy's name sort of floating around as a potential target free agency. When i was kinda surprised that actually happen and that was a former kansas city. Chief defensive tackle alan bailey. Who signed a two year. Deal worth ten point. Five million any strong thoughts about allen bailey. And in what he's done in his time with falcons hughes medical concerns that move happened. Like i want to say late may early june. So let's just look at tracker. I think he had like teen. Chris accidentally three years. So i was like okay. Maybe some intrigue year. But i think for the most part. It's been pretty underwhelming. I i know. They tried to ship them inside on passing downs. But then he'll play the strong side at the base but like terms of versus personality. Which is up. I know. Dan quinn always loved when it came to aligning. I just didn't think he made much difference. So it's just one of those moves like okay. There was a plug and play move. It was just like okay. Nothing substantial came out that sorta defines his time with the falcons. Nothing nothing substantial a few other guys. I don't want to highlight because he's one of my favorite players. I'm glad they brought him back. Even was just a one year deal. That was defensive in adrian. Clayborn when you're deal worth about two million a year. I i was never happened. They let him walk to begin with so i was glad to see him. Come back if it was just on a one year deal They also brought in defensive defensive. Tackle tyler davidson Running back kenyan barter. Who i think falcons fans remember for getting body slammed by matt bosscher in kickoff return Full right moment for eighteen It blew up on social media to fullback. Keith smith and tight end luke stocker so clayborn davidson barner smith. Stalker linear thoughts on the remaining. Guys at the falcons brought in for the two thousand and nineteen season always looked clayborn think. He's someone that one of those versatile limelight as metric for dan quinn lows. But he's someone that you just places such violence that's why and team that kind of laxed physical edge. You'd think you need someone like clayborn so it was great to see him back. I know you actually want super bowl kurds. Him in new england of his book. fit within. You know glad to have success because as you remember. Twenty sixteen i think was on the third play against seattle he towards peck so he missed super bowl yellow moment and he always make a guy i think he definitely showed flesh. Remember in new orleans was a big part of the him. In ironically ecm mckinley as well and a jarrett is thing in that one Davidson these been a pleasant surprise. I think he kind of dipped this year by twenty nineteen he showed flashes in. At least someone could you a job. You take some blockers. You know he doesn't know the nasties work a upfront. Besides that I know thakur has been come travel. I mean i don't know why. But that's the case i think maybe he's cutters guys. I don't think be back. But the every now. And then he'll show he'll show up thirty yards downfield. And everyone's wondering what the hell's going on all right last thing. I want to talk about before we get into the break and talk about the draft class. Because i feel like this is arguably one of demetrius. Best moves was october twenty second. He ended up. Trading mohamed sanu to the patriots for a second round pick. The word was that. This point the falcons season was basically over. The word was that they were looking to try to pick up someone. Like austin hooper. And i guess dmitrov convince them. That mohamed sanu was A good option. Other than austin cooper and he got a second round pick from the patriots which i think that was the pick ultimately ended up trading to get hayden hearst So what were thoughts on the falcons in that particular move by dmitrov to get that second round. Pick out of the pats owes nap. Steel just seem to react on twitter. You'll just like this actually happens. Especially when i think emmanuel sanders i think a mail centers was fourth round there like a week later. San trade a forthright denver and look. I love moms new. But did we know same. Antonio sandwiches offers a lot noise mail. Sanders is still playing a key role on when he teams. Like you know forty nine. And now the saints. He just much more than that players so they did. It was a steel will mark. You say like just a move. Where i guess. They'll checks love for his university. Because as you know Players so it was definitely. I was affected by new was very well respected but but considering the stage would they like one in six and you know a kanada start would pieces because there were a lot of players Free most rumored vic beasley was rumored. One team at the guy interest mckinley also which we found that was getting so they were trying to move players around. Because at this point it was kind of like a fire sale. But it's new. End up being the only player nash but incredible competition form as you mentioned so all right. We're going to talk about two thousand eighteen. Dr class very interesting one with some interesting moves. Which of course is part of the debate trophy era before we do that. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back support for this. Podcast comes from car care to go. 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Podcast walker joined by stock. We were talking about the job. That thomas mitchell did in the two thousand and nineteen season for the falcons. We've talked about free agency and some of the moves around that we're going to talk now about two thousand nineteen draft class. This was a draft class. Where dmitrov made three trades. And i wanted to just get these trades out ahead of time. You guys know what happened. The first trade was with the rams. The falcons got their first round. Pick at thirty one and their six round. Pick at a number. Two of three The rams got the falcons two thousand eighteen second round pick at number forty five and their third round. Pick a number seventy nine. We'll talk about who they used that. Pick for in just a second. They also made a trade with the lions they got their fourth round. Pick which was number one levin. The lions got falcons fourth round. Pick one seventeen and their sixth round. Pick one eighty six. And finally the falcons made the trade with the raiders. They got the raiders fourth round. Pick at number one thirty. Five and the raiders got The falcons fourth round pick at one thirty seven and their seventh round. Pick at two thirty. Okay now that's all the way. This was a particularly active draft for thomas trough. You know he's been known for trades. He likes to move up and down mainly up but down in the later rounds when he can find the opportunity But in this draft class we actually ended up with two first rounders So let's talk about that. I pick at pick number fourteen number fourteen overall in round one at the boston. College falcons took offensive guard. Chris lindstrom and let me tell you when that name came out. I don't know about you but that was like who because up until that point. I think every single draft person had the falcons taking some defensive lineman and you know. There was a mix of names in there. brian burns. Yeah i think. He ended up going one or two picks later as a of fact and when lynn stearns named came out i think people like do we seriously just draft guard after signing into guys have free agency. What were your thoughts on the pick. And what are your thoughts. Now that we've been able to see him for two seasons in the league is coming classic. Quinn dmitrov. You remember john. O'neill wasn't salon anyone's radar when that happened and then even technically was a little bit underrate. I know tackle high around and you'll maybe bore line i. I don't think especially if they trade for. I still remember really connecting them to technically. So this is like a first round where it's like okay. you're kind of disclaimed by their rankings. Because that's something as we slow. Aj charles well. It's like they have their own way of valuing talent did not go. Pf or some other website they Town identified that's what they're gonna do. I did think it was like a curious moved to get a guard but seems okay. I guess they won't use the alex mack. Gang older annual corporate of see cover veteran. Just i can see. Why is it going. With coach and lindstrom's very highly regarded. We all like you looked at some metrics. Just knew what people say mounds. He'll discuss guy seems like he's a player so have embracing it was. Just you know searching where it was and that he wasn't really me linked to it. I think clairon by surprise but then you realize what kind of regime what they've done the first round pick in recent years. It's like all right. Well it's be prepare for. Yeah and for those who've complained about the falcons not investing in the trenches this was certainly investment in the trenches. And i think you could argue based on what we saw this year. I think allen it looks like lindstrom really is going to pan out. He he you know first year for rookie is always going to be pretty tough but in this second year lindstrom definitely look the part and his rookie year. He missed some games. You do the injury. And i think that certainly contributed this year. I think he has been arguably one of our best players on the offensive line. And that's including in the conversation. Guys like jake matthews and alex. Mack so i think that first round pick appears to have have so far have worked out. Are you want to take a leap. Like i think he's been goodbye. Just wear is right now. I really like to see 'cause. I also cooper in an interview He says. I expect them to you the best currently worst someone. That's very very intelligent Respect his opinion on that. And remember that. I think he's been good but i just want to see him and his elevate more especially considering where he wasn't like a first round pick was someone they lostock and so Where he said just you was continue see in the upper projector no great point. I think you're three so twenty. Twenty one is going to be your three for him. That's usually the year you see young guys. Sort of. Take that big leap. Certainly he was good this year. And i i think to your point We want to see him. Become that great offensive guard. That guy who's attend time. Pro bowler All pro lists you know that kinda guy Otherwise yeah i think to your point where they took him in the first round at is normally somewhat rich for an offensive guard. Hopefully he can Validate that level of trust the organization put in Hopefully arthur smith will Do something different with him. Certainly at athletic enough to be highly successful the white zone blocking scheme second first round. Pick the one that they got in the trade at number thirty one. The falcons took out of washington offensive. Tackle caleb mcgarry. When they made this move. I remember saying to myself who this was the big who. Yeah and i'll be honest. This was a move that a lot of people were scratching their heads. I felt like mcgarry probably could have been had in the second round. Of course the falcons ended up giving up their third round. Pick to move up and make this move third round pick extremely expensive but it still feels like some missed opportunities there. Obviously you know some draft capital going into this right tackle position. We talked about ryan's trade earlier and his success and right now. I think the jury's out what are your thoughts on this move the pick in the player. Yes seemed very aggressive. I just think get why the daily what's the extent. I just think it was a case of o'kane it really want someone and they weren't getting it was weren't gonna say notes that they were going to be held back but i did think essentially said art forget about dates to because you look around. Two three day had no pixels effortless all year. It just seemed very raw coming on. That was the problem. Also seen with ultimas arm. Blance slow fee. i know like this big motor. And he's very all those draft adjectives saying. oh yes vicious. Nasty stein does not get the rowing. I think he took legitimate strides this year. I was painful. But i thought this year i was re damn good so i still wanna see more but i think the route to it is just saying all they gave up at you know. How bad is year was could see what has been a concern. But i do think he's going the right direction. Which wasn't the case twelve months ago. No kidding i think the thing that is also hurting him. As a we have seen a couple of games were gonna has stepped in and played and played decently. We've also seen some games. We're gonna stepped in and played was absolutely dreadful. So i don't think that should be a an indictment against mcgarry one way or the other and again this whole idea that the falcons are investing in the trenches. Now whether or not they grab the right guys whether these guys are gonna work out is a different matter but they certainly in this draft class made sure that they were trying to make some long term fixes for this offensive line. And and i appreciate the effort. We'll see if we can continue to improve and become a good player On that starting Side as you mentioned they did not have a second or third round. pick so We were able as falcons fans to sort of you know. Only casually glance at the second and third rounds on on day two just in case they try to make some sort of move. They did not. They stayed with their day. Three picks and let's jump to those. They had to pick some around four so at number one levin overall l. of ohio state and they took cornerback kindle sheffield and number one thirty five overall out of charleston university. They took defensive end john. Kaminsky interesting names here. I'll in and this is what's interesting to me. we are. obviously this is twenty. Twenty one We just got done with the twenty twenty season. All these guys have have played at most two years of all the in my mind. It's too early to write off any guys. But i think we can tell at least directionally where some of these guys are heading. So give me your impressions of sheffield and kaminsky. Thus far kind of like on clear opposite road of like girly shaquille showed traumas first year. And then this past one the. It seemed like he was liability several occasions team. Retargeting and just alford's awareness issue or you're just not able to look all but is he seems like a decent position and then they just all are the seven thousand. I remember things can. Denver system is not there then they would get forty two yards and which is unfortunate because i thought he should this year but And then you look like a size to it's like it does not look good Six foot two six three long arms but he's kind of like what five ten kind of undersized not very physically either so abilities time you know even though i thought it was going to pan out all right now just doesn't seem to be going the right direction and kaminsky you're one of those on a school prospects like okay numbers as good motor. You kind of hope. He's relational at this point. And i think he's kinda showed a little bit of promise by dickie someone that you want to see playing wardens ask just seems to be some you could in and hopefully in order to Where because this is where he'll pushed like you could catch a off guard with his explosiveness stamp out some. You won't see in playing thirty five forty snaps. That all means year ally just does have a death or injury. Yeah i think. I like him. As a rotational guy. His long term potential to be a guy that gets ten fifteen snaps in relief. That can slide inside if you get that album for fourth round. Pick album small school that that's pretty good. All right to round five picks in these. I think Get pretty interesting. So number one fifty two overall out of pittsburgh they took running back quadra lison and at number one seventy two overall out of washington. They took cornerback. Jordan miller Let me just say i. I believe that jordan miller has been cut at this point and that was one of the frustrating. Things for falcons. Rams i think during the two thousand twenty season even after he got done with his suspension he just never saw the field even with a guy like kindle sheffield struggling as you mentioned In just a minute ago quadra ellison who knows. So let's talk about the logic of these picks. Because especially i think with allison in allen. There was some thought of you. What what exactly is the is thought here whether they doing. So what were your thoughts. And sudden and miller in the fifth round also made just a short yardage thing because it had such measures twenty eighteen brennan sugar play remember it was like third or fourth one. They would just run while cut. Ak's new cat. I got mentioned that they would a convert. Because they couldn't converse house ari. Maybe they're just one digest for shorter is eaten. Elsie coleman governor least or he. Sr he can get his contrary. There is okay. Let's maybe least have one power back. Ross his new edo spent starion frames for get someone that abe could both time. Just make sure you get your other than that. I don't see any reason that billard. Maybe just more of a skit younger at the current position is seemed like losing alvin offered at pools. Okay l. triangle in a new direction star as many dunlins us november clinton mature values concordat. They were just someone like okay. At least drip just never know what could do to your us. You ever know when you might need this owner such a tough position injuries. So i got that. I think it's just unfortunate. He never even said remember. I think coolio salt about training camp between nineteen. It was working with him as he's he might make the difference on his team. Yeah really really frustrating and can do the fifth round pick a lot of these guys also flame out so it's not like he is. Dale can be great right exactly and to be fair. Who knows what all of a sudden can do. Maybe he'll look under this new front office and coaching staff. Twenty twenty one He's certainly hasn't done anything yet. and we'll see maybe he'll get an opportunity this time around but i. I certainly wouldn't bank on it at this. Point the falcons final pick was in the sixth round and it was number two three overall in olive louisiana monroe. They took running back. I think the term running back here was misapplied. he's more of a wide. Receiver was marcus green. Who ultimately did not think he may have made the team but was ultimately cut. He's he's obviously not with falcons anymore. Do you have any strong feelings about marcus. Green six thing. It was like a returner. Yeah i think he was going to be like a receiver slash returner and they. It's weird. They had them listens running back. But i think everyone else hasn't listened enlisted wide receiver. But yeah i think he was intended to be a long-term up long-term answer at returner. I think he's with the eagles now. As a matter of fact 'cause said made his choices devin fuller remember. there was someone like Return of i your way. Years to see cash appeared Never get he kept getting injured and camp and Never could get healthy enough to take the field. And i think actually i think to that point. I think you're right. I think he. I think even the same thing happened with marcus screen So yeah unfortunate for him it's It never quite got the gang return. Some teams have their secure return for three or four years. I just has not been the case since he's retired. So derek. yeah. And when we did have andre roberts He waited till he left the team to actually his career. So pizarro he legit like i just you could see all pro your program here and like he's if you watch worries like you'll make a different secularist position yet is somehow did not work. Atlanta wasn't with the falcons. Maybe under roberts is why are special. Teams coordinator was truly fired. Twenty twenty. They looked at his performance. Said you get this guy to work. What's wrong with you all right so with that. That is the falcons draft class. This is you know this. One feels top-heavy and i think as you mentioned allen that you know not having any picks day to giving up that second third feels like you know some potential missed opportunities with what we talked about in free agency. What we've talked about in the draft. What's your overall assessment of the job. Dmitrov did in his second to last year. With the falcons boston. We look at like just you look at what. The was a drafts. Like what was the point that free agencies. Okay maybe a gun carpenter brown made wanted them but then you get lynched him and just why. Bring back some Gary just seemed like there was so much invested. No but then it became an overabundance of it because you look at the other side dealines after twenty t inside. You're still going to try out busy. Mckinley another two first route. You're a went through a full season them underwhelming at least maybe bringing slick with them. I know cleveland's could. He's not something that you want to depend on. Play forty forty five steps. I just think they should have really investor's edge rusher that's free agency and attracts his put more stock in a deal. I'd rather just go so have you though line. So i think that's where you know. The big mistake was whereas whole. Really overlying big diesel. We kind of knew marcia player and then just ammo the some the scientists sima complete over. What you went to train gives okay. So where and brown or quote unquote players warren. Start the season. They look at their contracts like again peeling starters al-anon here. Yeah so i i remember seeing unquote I think maybe schultz like j romero or blank spoke to quin mutually. We get the soul. I patched up but it's a long way to get it fixed and there's one way to just really put too much emphasis on that. Still looking tina was the disaster. And so that was like you know like on ryan harm's way but there was still games. Where your whole old line was a complete disaster so yet as disolve season was a rough one in is reason why there are consequences for it happened quite the time to which should be but eventually did happen. Yeah i would say the moves in this offseason are ultimately within the getting dmitrov fired as you said the over investment into trying to fix those positions and then to your point just sort of completely whipping on that and the fact that you also have all that cap space tied up in those positions in you know if we look at those contracts. It made it hard you know. The falcons had to take it on the chin where jim brown was concerned where they end up cutting him and you know james carpenter. They're going to take it on the chin a little bit with dead money if they cut him going into the twenty twenty one. So you know. The team suffered some long term consequences for those guys. Not working out and again that ultimately falls on the general manager. Into your point alan and i think this is the the thing that resonates with falcons fans the most all of this was done at the expense of continuing to not properly address the defensive line now were they able to predict the tap. Kinley completely you know fall off a cliff and suffer all these injuries. Probably not and. I think you have to give your first round. Picks a time to try to develop but again. There's just not adequate depth on that defensive line and they didn't do much to address it and the moves they did make Especially free agency just seemed to be disjointed with what their overall strategy was. So yeah. i'm with you. This feels like a lot of desperation. Out of thomas dmitrov in this two thousand nineteen season. His moves just seemed like he. He was trying to do everything he could. As general manager to to fix you offensive line and as a as a result it was actually more of a disaster because the overinvested didn't give a good return on that. So yeah i'm with you. I've one of his worst seasons could cause if you lead twenty team together a deal abbas bad because they never cover car from losing clayborn and po and then you select Just wasn't a guide. Mckinley had strong start but then faded that you just saw a trauma claimed was on the field to mention Now who never really got chance. Just weird i would just like. There's not enough town here. At than the off season they'll pay claiborne back. Which is cool that bailey in davidson eastern rotational piece. But who somebody that could actually be like a difference maker who guys present. A challenge is like okay. I know you want to invest in your first round picks. Busy mclean all these opportunities but using needs to challenge because you saw two thousand eighteen a bed and what he known twenty nine like it. It was still one point. Put no they were like breaking bed while you're in a houston game. Oh yeah he couldn't even couldn't even touch watson and then guts a point where they quinn eventually not being d d coordinated more change things a little bit but you know they just in learn their lesson from two thousand eighteen defensively. You should seem defensively. How bad they were and they just didn't make any major changes whether they put too much stock in the fact that okay. Quincy takeover everything. They did too much of that but you need personnel new. Just didn't have the personal. Yeah and exactly and ultimately when it comes to the personnel that falls on the general manager as we talked about the second last season. And i think this offseason set him up in losing his job the following year so alan. That concludes the two thousand eighteen. Season under thomas metron. Why don't you remind listeners where they can find you what you have gone. 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"W. g. b. sports talk flashback. Welcome to sports radio. New york a network of new york sports talk shows heard on long island's am twelve forty w. gb checkout new york hockey with rob cohen new york baseball digest with mike silva sports. Talk live with frankie. This sports. the new york sports exchange with alec martinez was the starting nine with full. Reverend sports. twelve forty with mike carber. Listen every sunday night. Nine pm on long island's am twelve forty w. g. b. and be sure to check out all past shows online at sports radio. Ny dot com. Welcome everybody quartz radio special edition coming to you. Live from the studios up w. g. b. b. in freeport long island. Yes i added my own music in there. Today you're just going to have to deal with it mr cole. It's good to be here this evening. hosting a special edition of sports talk twelve forty on this the final day before halloween a holiday that i'm never too excited about. I don't know why. I think it's just for the kids but that's just me. I'm not going to rain on was parade. We got a great show this evening. We had a full lineup again. My name is adam kern coming to. You live w. g. b. being and with me and i'll bring him on a right about now is in my mind all time jet. Great strong safety victor green. How're you doing victory there. I'm here what's going on their excellent. I pumped up. I'm ready to go on a great show. Facial hope the fans out there listening. Yeah absolutely awesome. Yeah yeah we we definitely do. I'm excited about our first guest. We're going to get to him in just one. Second that being jessie tuggle. A lifer over there for the atlanta falcons It's just been a crazy day. Yesterday we got our first snow here. In new york it was disgusting. It was awful. I called victor. He had just come home from a round of golf. As i recall right. That's why we have to drop around sixty. Oh you poor guy. Graceful anyways We also we also add the privilege and this is gonna be all nfl today. It is going to be all football. But i cannot and will not forget to mention in all time. Great game that we got That i definitely had the privilege of watching week that being game six of the world series where the cardinals outed the texans with a solo shot in the eleventh in one of the most amazing. If not the most amazing baseball game. I have ever seen in my thirty years on earth. I don't know. did you see that game. Victor victor. they're right. I guess he's not well we we will get him back momentarily. it was. It was just an outstanding game coming from behind to runs on two separate occasions two times that they were down to their last strike. Before the texans won the world series and talk about a curse franchise years. They have not been able to do it off. Just an incredible. You gotta tip your cap to the cardinals and congratulate them. It is half time for the jets it is thereby week and you know so. I'm feeling refreshed. I have not. I've not been worried this week. And i've just watched the other teams play and it's and the g. men that they squeak by with a win over the dolphins so it was ugly but they got the win and a win is a win so we are going to let. Let's see if we could bring victor victoria. You back with us back man. I have some telephone no fault. That's okay that's okay. I just took the reins and And i'm and i'm back on football. I was talking baseball when when you left. But look the g. man they get it done. I feel good. I feel good as jeff van foreign three. It's not ugly. When is it ever pretty asked me. You know that's the real question but more on the jets later right now. I want to bring on jessie tuggle. He played in the nfl from nineteen eighty-seven two year. Two thousand five time pro bowl linebacker. Who recorded sixteen hundred and forty tackles twenty one sacks six picks why not in fourteen years as i said lifelong falcon with the humble nickname of the hammer. How's it going jesse and doing great guys doing well doing well. Victor you still there. Great man thanks for calling in doing alright as well no problem and he called me so we can share sounds faz. Some fast big reason as times. Well absolutely adam mentioned a call you to have a talk a little bit about that man. How'd you get the name to hammer. Give it to me about teammate or just nailing people and Now always known as a heavy hitter in a short linebacker always play great levies and that was never afraid to you not a hard hit to the table. When you're when you're young and you've been president and and your little bit short have back able to produce force man. So i just go out and nell people and they've got started calling me the hammer. The name just stuck to me. What jesse. What what do you think Is the biggest story. That's been developing so far. Like i said it's it's the falcons are actually on by week as well so it's a time of reflection at least for this jet fan. What what do you think is the biggest story. That's going on in the nfl this year so far in the league of man i dunno good to get the bike plan and feel early the biggest thing with the whole without and all that he knows his footballs been going on. I think the fans have been really enjoying it. Because i level play haven't missed the You know it's good to see a lot of young players particularly the quarterback cam newton and playing gilbert and In christian ponder autumn guys go coming leading and try to make a difference You know. And i guess when you look back at some of the things that have been in headlines big hit. I mean been a ton of hits that guy's thinking fined for it in a way you can tackle in ways you can't tackle things man lying back linebacker thing that bugs me the most anything like you really can't make a legit hard hit without getting penalized for it. Jesse you know you talked about that. Let's let's stay on the falcons for a little bit. They lost one of their key players in Lovie haley man talk about how devastating loss that coming down the stretch and the next hour happening season the thing development pay. They have a bye week. Try to You know the hill up a little bit you know. He's saying they injured with matt ryan last week and through the league i mean it changes. It changes the course that they play changes Where you You know how how you can put up points and everything else. You don't wanna lose anybody So this point just got to recover and find a way to get some less on the field and quite ambi productive. And i guess when you looking back at what could have happened. You know with matt ryan you know when you lose a guy with that type of caliber means my team. They're they're sitting a better solution now. That could have been so. I guess you gotta take No the good with the bad. And hopefully we can recover and go a little bit more healthier. Yeah what we're talking about the falcons and forgive me ahead of time. Jessie but i always viewed. And i still do. You're going to hate me for this. I see the falcons as a soft team. Don't get it done wrong. Why do i. Why do i think this then things that we problem solve when you have a one of the hardest running right back from the league. I do like michael. Turner run down. He'll love him yes it does. I really love that but still defensively. Maybe you know. Maybe they don't have a fabulous not say linebacker. Somebody like the team. Who whose name recognizable instantly but you know. He got some african football team. You know i think This past year you know they had six or seven new guys. Go to the pool to represented as far as athletics on a team that you know as a former falcon. I can't hardly kick out work as a team. It's not it's not one individual it. They have a lot of good individuals. It just it. It just seems like when it comes to the big spot. They don't get it done. You know agree to that thing when it comes really have to prove themselves when it comes to making clutch play the kucice aware of you know like if the time to make the put all time the makes up to happen particularly when you have a national audience like the old whether you in the playoff whether you plan on Monday night football. You got to go out there and show people right now. You can play and i think when they have that national audience right. They'll see what they can do and in the time that no no what the topic all about they always come up with louis shoe so from that standpoint. I see what you're saying. Okay just talk about stand on the fact that they they had a tough division. Nfc south new orleans at tampa to always played a really tough. You know carolina campus even though they two and six right now. Cam newton had really juvenile that franchise talk about what does allow need to do to put themselves at the top of that division throughout the season. you know the big thing you got the gotta do man. You got to win conference games. There's no doubt about it and the nfc south is Extremely strong In the business. And when you look at the new orleans thank you know. I've said that they're the team to beat. Drew brees is playing great. You know already lost today. It doesn't matter because he's having a great season. He still probably the most active quarterbacks in the league. Right now you and then you can turn right the tampa bay instantly looking at another young quarterback down there who's having awesome year. And you got the matt ryan and you got cam newton so the the business loaded at quarterback and particularly young quarterbacks and that thing right now you know with the saints no win the super bowl a few years ago that If you can come out of the south you can reference it. The nfc and And i think right now you handle their business focus obviously on winning but they can control this out come out of they win that division they gotta look so special in the playoff. Yeah that's a. that's a good point. I mean josh freeman. Mattie ice there and cam newton along with you know the cherry on top drew brees representing the scenes. That is scary division. Really i don't look at it enough because i'm always obsessed. Afc east but it really is a good business. I think the next superstar in the nfl the young talent. Big body strong You know he's a kid who can really go and anti franchise around. And i think he can make them for test for tampa bay in the future. Yeah and one quick question about Tampa i'll let you go in a second Victor how how is it. That every time the falcons play the box. It's it's an epic game always it. Is it correct. i'm wrong. how does this happen no matter if they're good or bad either team they always play. You know about you know being in the south right next door neighbors. You know florida and georgia and And and something about That that robbo. There somehow brewed up over periods of us and not only that with the buccaneers. With the also that with the falcons in the state It's something years when i played It was just unbelievable that no matter what was winning losing or winning and losing records the game itself was a physical heart news. You know it reminds you of college raba type game and i think that's what's happening right now with the falcons and also the buccaneers got that ravel thing down and And everybody's trying to control the division to just before we like let you go. I want to ask you know fan know about you a little bit. You know using duck into the college hall of fame. You want the super bowl. You went to the super bowl. Thirty three jersey retired and ring of on all pro pro bowl one. What are some of the things you take away at some job biggest accomplishment in the nfl or your the that question because Know first of all it was on ener privileged to play in the nfl. I played for fourteen years when people told me that i couldn't play too small complement small school winds five approval. You know went into the cost of ball hall of fame and majority up handcuffing ringo on it georgia. It means a lot to me personally. Because i felt like i struggled and had to work hard until people could possibly play You know not only have so much respect for then the city who know for recognized as one of the favorite of all time and and the thing that taught my career off at. I can appreciate through hard work whether in my in my twelve season. Going to super bowl taking the franchise. I people both thirty three win. Thing had opportunity opportunities going down to miami a play. Their biggest win win. The nfc championship beat minnesota. When they had an most prolific office new could ever stop or we go up here place and beat them. I think the biggest game in my career and you know it just been great. You know my hometown boy that growing up right here in in greece and georgia state down in south georgia and white have plan for the atlanta falcons in georgia so Just been a great career for me and Have no for the game. I have respect for the city and I'm a diehard falcons fan. To the is and i know you got some up north and i know you play with the jets. Nothing great gaming the jets and all that too and But at the same time. I have respect for the nfl in general also on a on a personal note. I know you have their two kids in college One playing football. If i'm not mistaken justin right. That's an actually. He started out at the with the blend you bring college down in texas. What cam newton cam from jane college. He's they kansas state So he's there okay. No he's a. He's a quarterback there. And and my daughter is a tennis player ed prostate so wife and i got two in college man to athletes and their kids. And we're proud of him and compensates so Down everybody says truth. Don't fall for the though proof for that. So that's pretty cool man to athletes and very nice and one last quick head i. I saw an interview by one victim. Green he asked if you wanted to coach professionally and you really. You turned it down pretty quickly and he said you know and your answer was great really that you value your time and your family and your community too much and i would imagine. I would do the same thing if i was in your position but what. What do you make of. The players going right into coaching after after playing for a whole career. Is it just like an obsession that that won't let go or is it just different strokes for different fields among different strokes impose. But it's a you know personally for me. In the autumn years practicing watching t. Playing games worked in out doing the whole nine yards a lot of you know dedication and a lot of time a lot of effort so when i retired from the league. I know that. I went to the coach and you would take ten to twelve hours of my day. You know. prepare myself and being the best as i possibly can be as a code. Because they'll we put it in time. There's no doubt about it and big contest at that In that with me. What had young kids and i'd like you know what my time you know. I i did have my time and now top me turn my attention to make it so it was a perky time wheels in middle school and junior high and i got the opportunity to watch and galway through high school. And they're right there with them the whole time so now my wife and now we're empty nesters and yet at this point in my career As far as coaching. I'm like you know like my free time too much. Because i like playing golf in guys like victor green motivation. Good thank thank you so much for coming on jessie. I really appreciate it eight. Both you guys All right we'll remember it for this. Ask asked a picture pretty good. Call you dream of one day owning your own home. American bank is helping people turn their dreams into reality for fast approvals low interest rates and a chance to work with a real mortgage banker. Please ask us about our lender paid closing cost loan or how you can save money. Monthly your current mortgage for more information. Please call eight five. Five forty-seven loans here in american bank. Customer service is our only priority american bank bankers with vision helping people with dreams. 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So make sure to tune into that with paul revlon and mike carver respectively at nine o'clock and ten o'clock this evening on the station. That serves your community w. g. b. b. freeport all right moving right along with my co host this evening former jet great strong safety down there in atlanta victor green. How's it going. They're great yadda. Oh good you're still with me. Thank god you're all right moving right along to the other side of town well across the country a little bit too a former viking. Great i can't repeat that word enough. chris doleman who played for the vikings for most of his career as a linebacker to defensive. End eight time eight time pro bowler with career. This is a ridiculous number one hundred fifty and a third sacks he had he racked up twenty one of those sacks in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine under the vikings newly formed newfangled four. Three defense had two touchdowns two safeties and probably saved a litter of kittens from trees somewhere. Chris how's it going. Are you today. i'm doing well. I'm doing well. Victor victor okay. Everybody's squared away. Let me ask the question that cannot be avoided as as most year career playing on the vikings. What in god's name is going on with minnesota this year did you did. You are a positive man absolutely. Should i mentioned that is your second win of the season. Yes okay just making sure. Because i gotta keep it real because this is a new york station here. I'm i think minnesota right now. Transition period. i really thought i still believe it or not. A big nascar as a lot of football left than No christian ponder and coming Guys who was You know chomping at the bit to get out there. And so what he can do You know it's it's we have wasted a lot of time. I mean this team very easily could have been Well there every game that they lost pretty much most of the time that they were leading at halftime finishing out the game Closed the games out Is very disappointing. You know obviously team but you gotta look at everybody's involved include coaches players and everybody else to in six chris right now. Do you feel minnesota half what it takes to to to still make a play office right now. You know what. I don't think that they'll make the playoffs What they can do is play for pride Get ready for next year. I mean this was a strange year overall with the strike and everything going on Nobody being able to work out Get to know What's going on as far as Players chemistry but You know everybody worked under the same rules. That's no excuse. Minnesota's should be a better football team. That what they are right now. Donovan mcnabb you. Still think he has more seriously. You really do i live. Watch the practice Okay alive. I don't know what's in his heart still wise he's the type of guy they can I think still play A good ball people's round fairly well You know twenty one twenty two years old absolutely not but you know he's he understands the game and if he starts I was thinking it'd be start realizing and start playing more of a mental cerebral game versus. You know that physical game to run the ball. Do this here. you can't answer to everybody. You have to play your game and thinking if he can get in and start playing his game i picked. They'll be great. I i would agree with you. But i would. I would also say that about every season that he's played in the nfl. Probably could i mean you know you're also forgetting that Here's a guy who took philadelphia to the nfc championship game. They did not have skills that Minnesota has you know in a person harmon and that means the big game changers. Today's peterson you know they have back like that Who knows what would have happened if that had adrian. Peterson may be now the sudden. You're planning five super bowl. Yeah but he didn't win being who plays in the super bowl. Somebody's gonna lose will agree to disagree on that. Victor gut was talking to the minnesota back of their minds fit as she was talking to a couple of weeks ago well i think the mindset was pretty much that well first of all you got to go back and you gotta look at the The cba i think with you know they won. The war lost that battle. You know they got everything pretty much. Ask for but you and custer south where the you cannot go out and do football maneuvers. Because you can't be in past once a year or times of season You can't feel the film no longer than this amount of time. These rules are great but it really it really handcuffs. The team is trying to get better and minnesotan can really benefit from that extra time You not watch them practice. And i totally said look like a glorified walk through. I mean their whole day like a walk through. There was no difference between a walk through and what they were doing. You know. I suppose in live practice no tackling. If you look across the board and the league tackling horrendous You look at the game is pretty much manifest itself into a big arena football league. You know where you got. Seven on seven receivers running all over the place here throwing the ball all over the place and i don't think that's you know pure fans someone like myself. I wanted to seek good defense. I want to see good rubbing schemes. I wanted to see the football. That i grew up playing educated. I want to congratulate you from an Placed in a ring of honor up. What was a cop. How would you feel in you know when you when you was out there in that your senior jersey in the ring a lot of well you know you feel good. Obviously but i mean it's just It was it was cold. it was something that i know my kids really enjoy I enjoy being a part of it and it was. It was something that you know that We'll never thanks. What do you. What do you think of And we'll we'll get back to your career in just a minute. What what do you think because christian ponder got his first. Nfl win as a starter today. And i know you think donovan has the skills and whatnot but do you think that christian ponder is going to be the future quarterback of minnesota absolutely. He has to be. This is this is where they put their Their eggs from you know left. They were able to come up with somebody else You know. I think this is probably. Would you know no uncertain terms that might be documents last year You know if you're if you're looking at christian ponder and you're trying to get your team better So i just think that you know you have to take it the way for what it is christian. Has he played well. The last two games. I thought he played streaming. Well yeah what. What are his arm as. It has head as it his legs. What what what. What would you single out. As what's going to make him a winner in the league. I think the thing that separates christian ponder From the rest of the young quarterbacks. I think he doesn't do everything. Great things without He's he's pretty sharp about how to football. Definitely need also himself in a position to getting that often Bake some great play against green bay last week and he he hung in the french leg bound brown Plays alive and that's what you need really to to take. You know to help your team win. I mean with. Adrian peterson right harvard. Those kind of guys. You gotta make it happen now. You know with sankoh you know great tight end. You gotta make it happen now. You can't wait to the twelve hour and say oh only we had this piece here. And i don't know why minnesota quarterback who's been hardest position for them. Oh just like green bay. Just i had to do that. I'm sorry chris. Talk about this No you got into the business world. Chris doleman for auction. Talk a bit about what that is. Got you chris We're having a little difficulty with the phone there. Thank you might still be on the line. But it's cutting in and out victor How's it going victor. We'll we'll yeah. We'll get him back in a minute. What what. I'm figuring if you're asking that question you know something about what he's doing business wise what what is he doing you know. He got this pro. That won't even explain it to the to the fans their unique Thing that he's doing where you can got this site where you can auction. And he'd go to these charities you know they're having auctions or have a charitable event and he put their charitable things on his officer on this site the optional. For the you know you do it for five days prior to The the What the what. The charitable the cherry offs. And don't say off. They put it back on his auction and people continue to be on the net can get rid of it. The a charitable interesting interesting an entrepreneur. Well we're gonna we're gonna try to get an well. What i ask you a question and while i try. Get him back on the airwaves for for the last few minutes of the interview. I'm going to move it onto the all right. Give me one minute on what you predict. The jets will end the season with. Because i got bring the jet somehow whether jazzman right now Four and three. You know ten and six. I think they're gonna do enough to get them in the playoffs. And i think that tennis six you know you know. I think buffalo's going going go. Slides somehow not even know these five and two still got to play the pages pig out of pleaded jets twice and so i really think it's about being in that division. Just find a way to go. Tonight did not agree with you more. I really think they're going to eke in and what. Why should a jet fan be shocked that they seem to always do that. But whatever it we got chris back so chris. Victor was asking you about your company nowadays. What's and fans a little bit about. What your christova pro auction is. of course. Pro oxidant is a Online auction site. We helped nonprofits and charities to through their silent auction raise money and we put those things in line for them. We do a complete Pr campaign There's no Charges that we have for that We only You know we only get paid if we south and we wanted it that way we wanted to take the take the responsibility of making sure that we Do our job and give you the best outcome possible to to get You know to sell your items and make as much as you can for your charity curse. I'll be remiss if i don't bring up You know hall of fame. You know he was a finalist last year at a hundred and fifty third sack. You know third all time you know. You put a lot of thought into that in. Hopefully i mean. Obviously your name will be called. But how much time do you put into that the whole thing you can't i mean My whole thing is is that you know whenever they make that decision to make that decision. I don't worry about it. i You know first of all. I do appreciate appreciate the kind words victor. But you know that's beyond my control and to be able to To be able to go out and play at a level that is deserving that you know i feel this an honor within itself You know. I've done my thing. It is it is up for it is up to the bodies That are in that. Are that had that control to you. Know make the right decisions to figure out you know who they want to let him who they who they dealt. I mean if you're not gonna use numbers why even cable You know why. Why even track all this stuff is pretty much a waste of time. If you're just looking for super bowl winners those types of things But you know. I can't I can't worry about that. I just you know what's important to me is you know is You know the auction site You know crystalline pro auction. It is my family You know got probably one of the highest recognition. You can get through the vikings You know being inducted their ring of honor You know in fifty years. There's only been fifteen players. And you're talking about like alan page and fran tarkenton. So if i'm good enough to be in their company you know. I'm i'm happy very good answer. Because what else can you do at this point. There's no no point worrying about what you can't do anymore. I just have one quick question before we go. Why aren't the packers going to win. The super bowl this year. But you know right now. They're they're they're on a gravy train with biscuit wills. Everything's if you look at them. They haven't been they're they're they're winning by You know great numbers They're performing well. Aaron rodgers playing. Well and you know. I think that there's some point in time you're in that group in that Run you have to get what you call a reality. Check reset In a sense where that okay. Winning is contagious. But there's also a lot of bad things that come with winning arrogance cockiness Like i don't worry about we'll be taking care of down by you. Know fourteen in two minutes left going door by. We got this covered. I mean you know you let some little team like minnesota took him to the wall and they were clearly a better team than minnesota. But you know adrian peterson. Russ with two hundred and seventy five yards me. I mean you know you can't sit up there and play like that and think that you're gonna beat everybody and this is kind of that guy in vegas wanna roll and eventually that rolls stops. And now what do you do how do you. How do you reset from that. And that is the question that the minnesota minnesota i mean. I'm sorry green bay is going right answer huh interesting. You have any Last last questions victim. Last question for me chris talk about. Are you surprised way. Can new research rejuvenated carolina. Panthers will you know. Let's player coming out of the draft By far and cam. Newton brings a specific skill set to the carolina panthers Think ron rivera You know who i know and played against. Chicago did an excellent job. Their staff did an excellent job. Saying you know what we're going to bet the farm. Let's bet it on somebody that we know they can give us Running ability and throwing ability and he throws a a wonderful ball Standup guy in the community You know he can also make plays with his legs. You need today. you really do because if you're Running game back out. You know you have to start slinging the ball around. Will you might want to have a quarterback can also run as well as he can throw it and i think you know Cam does it. That's what we're talking about. Christian ponder kristen does a lot of wonderful things he has to learn how to play this level. But i mean he runs. Well throw the ball. Well he manages the game well but you know is. It's not one thing or another and i i think cam news also the same type of player. I mean you know coming back winning the game you know leaving. Let your big players win the game for you you know. Let your jared allen's and your adrian peterson those kind of guys come up with the plays that help you win just a loser for anybody and i think cam does that very very well. Super bowl prediction go. Well i mean who's in who wins it. I tell you what Jets go ahead. i don't have to laugh at the jets. Come on you know. Here's my thing with the jets take. Let's hear your on the The real reebus i mean. He's a secondary in the national football league. I think what ended up happening. Is that you make. Everybody wants to go out and play their super bowl game. Their best game against the jets and Thanks to the coach. You know who's doing all that talking and creating all this animosity You know throughout the opponents locker room it gets old man and these guys are like you know we can lose every game. He's wayne losing these clouds you know. And that's just how they see it and like you know every year we're going to win it this year. I guaranteed it. Wa- i mean come on. It's been three or four years and you haven't sniffed it. And i'm not saying he's you know he's not a good coast but that kind of arrogance really creates a lot of Animosity a lot of tension and undue pressure. Not only your team but it is a great motivator for the your opponent super bowl conviction. Or you got yeah with with that said out with that said i would say I like the steelers and From the afc just beat The patch today. Yeah and i like. I like those guys and i would have to say in the nfc right now in the ones really i will. I'm gonna go out and limit. I'm gonna say Well i'll just say green bay and the reason why i'm saying bay right now. They're playing really well. But you know what you know anybody can beat anybody. You're looking at You look at how chicago hanging around you look into orleans. Warlords losing today. Yeah i know. I believe you got philly. You know they can. They can and does giants. Who knows you who knows a lot takes you know just takes you know the right place. At the right time. I think there's more parody in the In the nfc there's a lot of Pretenders very many all right. Well last question who wins the packers or the steelers. The packers are the steelers feel. Sounds familiar so they'll get it this year. Well chris thank you so much for for coming on. We really appreciate it. Hope to have you back soon. Okay right you got you. Make sure you guys sick out chris. Doleman pro option dot com. 'cause no problem all right all right. Thank you victor. And let's bring on our last guest this evening. He is the kicker for the atlantic falcons who has just broken an all time record for the atlanta falcons. Knocking in is twenty seven. Th street field goal at the last miss- of his was in the second quarter of two thousand and ten season opener which is just unbelievable. He being matt bryant. Has it going good joining the lie. Week comfortably. Our other than i can't figure out how to turn on my My projector my rainbow. Pretty good this is a high class. Problem indeed only could have such woes. Hey matt how're you doing madison victory with you. Yeah i'm good. How are you doing here. let's start off talking about you. know that. Went against detroit man. How big a win was that guys leading into this by which has huge. I mean you know the difference. Obviously that game was a difference of being over five hundred or being below. Five hundred going through our bali and also to Was it the. Nfc a c team. We needed to get that win because they call for losses. Nfc teams so. That doesn't if it ever gets down the road only top breakers. We go. you know that doesn't help you. Well let me ask a very very important question as well of course last week october. Twenty third in tampa bay is matt bryant day. So how did you. How did you and your family. Celebrate matt bryant. It'd be honest with you africa. You forgot about your own day Guess maybe I had to celebrate break in the atlanta franchise workers. Then there. you go way. We celebrated to feel great right. Thank you there. Yes that of course because the mayor declared it matt. Brian get the day after you were on the bucks at that time right when you kick the sixty two yard field goal to end the game against shoot. Wow yeah so. That's that's kind of cool. Have your own day that you could even forget about that. He hasn't got a plaque that they gave me kind of You know to show stuff. So i sit every day and think i'll i'll need. Experience was the part of that day. That's that was to the second time you actually kicked a sixty two yard or wanting to be filled out your Philadelphia eagles last back as you know. Is that one of your biggest accomplishment. You fill in the legal. Your biggest highlight say Yeah i i would say so. I mean as far as I mean that's the one thing that most people remember It's sixty two yarder. I know i know the The guys that silly. Remember that 'cause Whenever i came to atlanta and we played them in two thousand nine for the game you could see her by telling you. Hey that's the guy that keeps sixty two yard so the yeah yeah. It was good accomplishment. What what's going on with the team this year. The atlanta falcons. I haven't been able to watch. I've watched maybe a whole half of one of their games. This season but matt ryan seems to be on and off mattie ice cold warm lukewarm. Ninety eight picks three fumbles. What what's going on with the team. What's your feel with the team as it gelled together yet this year. What will you know what this I mean i think this detroit game Was a good game for all of us. I think You know we've played a good complete game. I believe it. I mean i can't i can't remember his ex that i'll know i'll know. How many picks mad or whatever scenario. I mean it was a good game. It was a total team effort and against a very good team. I mean those guys were five one whenever we were playing them and then some good teams. You know that that needs to be. Everybody needs to look in the mirror and look at the guy next homes and say you know what that's what we can do. That's what we expect of each other and that's what we expect of the guy next. I think if we do that we're going to be you know we're going to be pretty good going down to the the last half of the season. How much confidence after his body. Week that you guys play into annapolis but you gotta new orleans right out but that you you feel that any game i mean i know all games is huge but how big is in the game coming out his by. We got to get rid of put new orleans divisional game. I mean i know. It's kind of cliche but i mean that's just how this league is. I mean that's the most important game because it's the next day You know you can't you can't be five and three unless you win that game and You know that's the that's the only thing that we're focused on. The only thing that we're going to be concerned about is going to indian playing those guys and that next week will play new orleans wall. We'll worry about that when it gets the right now. The bus before thing is to go to indian and befallen three. Have you ever seen such a collapse like that. I mean one player essentially is injured on indianapolis calls and that team is. I mean i think. I think you could put high school teams against them now. I've never. I've never seen something like that. Have you no. I haven't seen anything like that and i was just front of mine. Were watching tv and it was like you know the question. The question is i mean is is one guy really that i mean it. C- really much difference. It's i mean it's a hard concept to grasp You know you can do this and the bus and all that stuff but Now i've never seen anything like i wasn't expecting those guys the Seven i guess now another loss today. So you've you've been playing of about seventeen you you know you walk all over fighting for You know coming out in to do you feel now that you find your whole maybe doing so. Well breaking records petted. You feel now now is where you lay your head if you will you know what i it's i go into. Every week i go to every week approaching it. Is you know do good today. So they'll let you come back tomorrow. i you know i it's hard you know. There's there's some aspects of this business like you know Just it's it's hard to explain. I mean i i. I never would have thought that i would've left tampa bay. Uh i just finished up with How many franchise records. I got there and then You know then to to get remove as part of the purge of and they system. But i mean the i like you hear the like the organization Mister blank is. He's one of the better owners He does things right. And you know Coach myth and and all the rest of our coaches in front office images. It seems really good here You know. I hope to fish here. I just signed a four-year deal with these guys so you know a box Shot that deal and hopefully stay around play a few more but you know my my protei tweak is too good today so they'll let you come back tomorrow. I i always asked this question with with kickers. What because it's such a weird game football really. I mean just coming from the name of it itself football when you know. It's only kicked every once in a while and in the biggest situations to what happens to does time slowdown when you have to make these big cakes or what happens the time or you're focused. Do you see things normally do hear things. What what does that like when you cross that silent at least for me It only go back to some years back that that show the twilight zone. It almost feels like that. When you i mean you can be in a stadium. Seventy thousand people going nuts and you know whenever you cross that white. Lie at least for myself tom. Same stop save. Slow down a little bit Now i mean you feel the heartbeat. Go up a little bit. Yeah 'cause it's You know you're out there and go up there and you know make this kick but you find out figure out you know little things too little tricks of the trade to to make make that heart rate slowed down to make everything you know slow down and just solely focus on one or two things and and rely on you know doing it in outcome being positive says matt before we let you go man. We gotta talk about your melissa star. Nydia matt through to try some found eight nine foundation. Talk a little bit about what that ask. Sids foundations all about man. Democratice talk about that wide. You guys up. Yeah well. I mean Coming into the league Wanted to be a part of something And what's whenever. I got the tampa Had some route showdown so Only have i signed. He was born premature. And it just seemed like the easy fit was to get the march of dimes and And all that. They do premature baby so we put our names down. We've been apart down for the last i guess seven years now and Then after our our second son He pass them sits at three months so we started foundation his name. Matthew trice brought foundation and And everything's pretty much geared towards You know helping out. Babies george march which got down with event here in atlanta Friday night but Yeah that's that's the main thing is just trying to do what we can to To give kids get babies That chance that maybe they didn't have that didn't look too good. The beginning did you. Did your wife. Melissa just gave birth to twins to that we did yeah They are two months now two months. Congratulations yeah thank you yeah. That's that's been. My colleague is Israel being home to help her a little bit more this week. I'll i'll bet. I'll bet a lot of more involved. Well thank you very much for coming on really appreciate an really wish. You luck the rest of the way and partially for selfish purposes. You know i have the atlanta falcons versus the new york jets in the super bowl. So i wanna see you there. And i want time to speed up when you go out to make the game winning. Kick so the jetstar hope. I hope your prediction is right that the stockings are in the super bowl. That would be lovely right. Thanks again. I really appreciate it very much. A thanks for having me right. Okay that mad. Bryant well victor. We've come to the end of it. I you know. I think it was a good job. How do you feel you feel good. Hey three quality guys on So i think i thought it went really well. Yeah absolutely we had fun so we do this again. 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[033] Know Your Enemy free agency edition: Atlanta Falcons

Buccaneers Observer

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[033] Know Your Enemy free agency edition: Atlanta Falcons

"Welcome to the buccaneers observer podcasts as row Phillips and Molly day and today, we're gonna start the first of our no, your enemies, serious free agency edition and today. We're going to talk about the Atlanta Falcons. Yeah. They're like, the least I hate them. The least of the. Yeah. Claim your right mediate the most. Oh, I don't know. That's a tough one Carolina. Probably. Yeah. I'd probably have to go CAD. Cam Newton just the pretty white teeth. He'll get knocked out. So bad. Can't stand New Orleans coach Sean page on pay. Yeah. I can't stand who sell whiny. You know, what did it for me? When he Josh Freeman dash bring then to ask for in Manhattan is like finger route and interview or something giving a press conference, and Sean Payton, we were playing them that week in office. He was like, hey, yeah. He wind to the league that Josh Freeman wasn't on the injury report. No, just some whiny. It's just so whiny all the saints and saints fans are all whining. Yeah. Fair enough. So Atlanta's head coach, Dan Quinn. They didn't do great last year. They went seven to nine didn't make the playoffs. So I think he probably felt the heat to make some changes, coaching wise. Otherwise, it was probably going to be him that got fired. So the biggest one, of course is cut are being hired. As offense coordinator back to his his old job wonder if we'll get Mike Smith is defensive coordinator. Now Dan Quinn fired the defensive coordinator, coordinator, Marquand manual and Dan Quinn. He no, he's a defensive guy. He came from Seattle. He coached their defense Alesina, boom. I think I think is that. Right. Okay. I know he came from Seattle. But I don't want to give him credit for the legion. Booms and doesn't. But so Dan Quayle is gonna take over the defence now though he's going to be the defensive coordinator. Yeah. He's not gonna have a defensive coordinator. Now. He's thinking all. Yeah. That's good for us. Right. So they running cutter he was offensive coordinator under head coach Mike Smith at Smith is well I received running backs coach or special assistant office coordinator, and you know, cut our he is familiar with Matt Ryan he's got Julio Jones bound lit up with gutter was there. Yeah. So and they have that familiar to you. So we'll see what happens and it remains to be seen whether cutter will still be bucks fan. We'll have to doping all this stuff at the thrift store. I don't think he's I don't think he was serious about it. Mike malarkey was hired as the titans coach and this. He was. Yeah. His he's to be the titans headcount. Yeah. And this is actually his second sent with Liana. He was their offense coordinator from two thousand eight to two thousand eleven and he actually started his career in Tampa Bay in nineteen ninety four you know that. Did you know that? Oh, I don't know what he was. He was ask hard questions. I need to look at my notes before and ask my questions. So that I can amount smart. And I'm like a true reporter, man, I s a hard hitting questions. I try to stop I should act like a pundit and bullshit my way through. It's the question. You woman. And then Keith Armstrong who cut are brought in as special teams coordinator, he was fired. And they brought in Ben cotton Wicca as special teams coordinator, he came from Washington. Now, he wasn't fired he elected to leave. He got the Atlanta job and left. So I don't know what the deal is there with their special teams. Can you think of anything of now like why they felt the need to replace her special needs special needs? Especially bush. Whole team. I shall teams coordinator were there special teams that bad don't recall. I don't remember when they had Matt Ryan now head met that brings up a question. Let's talk about Matt Ryan, which is on that subject. We know. Keith Goodwin is now or special teams coordinator, right Keith arms. Sean. He's Armstrong Goodwin's are of Lyman trying to gain rigging cow given here all given here. Okay. We got the we got the there's a lot of names there. Hey, we got a lot to catch up on. And remember. Okay. So this guy Keith Armstrong. All right. So Keith Armstong comes to Tampa from Atlanta. He was there special teams coordinator. Now he's God for like ten years. He was there. All Tom ever. I was there. Yeah. So he comes to Tampa. And all of a sudden Matt Bryant gets released by Atlanta. He hasn't officially been released. But they let him know that when when it's time, they're gutting. So he's going to be released. What do you think are we going to get him? And it seems to be aligned the stars land up. Well, we we hired that. Danish kicker. We already signed that's just to do tryouts during the preseason. And all that good stuff and get in get competition in there the big deal. We do it every year while I was bringing in kickers. Maybe that's our problem. I think you can make an argument either way, I think, ma'am, Brian. He's Bryant he's forty four years old. He missed him games last season because of an injury. I don't know. I mean, he's definitely on the tail end of his career. If I was any team in the league. I would wanna pick mitt Ryan up. This is where the buccaneers and we fired him. And it wasn't on good terms. He left pretty bad as well. When we got a new Nugent. Right. We was. Yeah. Heat it. Okay. But it was during the preseason. Remember they were going to let Bryant kick and had nudie kit with Nugent was doing good and Bryant gave an interview somewhere. And he was like, I don't understand why even in the competition two why why they're making me compete, basically. And then they didn't let him kick. And then they got rid of him. Yeah. It was not a clean cut. And that my friends is why don't want brought back. I just I'm not a big. Fan of cutting people on bad terms, or basically, cutting people in then bringing them back years later, or whatever. Because even even if they say, hey, I'll hold on hold grudges subconsciously. They hold a grudge. You know, they remembered they remember getting fired half to move out of town. I mean, his family loves Tampa. He's got people. Here's wife loves it. They got a house in Tampa. And all that good stuff. They've been. So so consciously, you know, he might be like ask who the buccaneers? And I don't let that when he's out there kicking, you know, so consciously because I mean kickers that the big deal any little route. I mean, look at Taylor in canton zero like once it got in his head that he was going to miss it. He hit or Glasgow. Yeah. I look at lovey Smith made lovey Smith. Is the perfect example when they hired him. I was like, no, what are you doing? And I don't know what the deal was with him. But to me if you look at it, objectively he came in. And he destroyed this team you he'd immediately got rid of all our whole offense of line. Who does that? I a head coach come in and get rid of our offense of land. It's not like we had a ban off his line either had one down here. But I mean, they were good players. Anyhow, he comes in blows up a whole offensive line, and we've been dealing with that ever since. And you know, he brought in all these free agents. He bad nepotism going. I mean, he hit his son as a secondary coach, it don't know infiltrators whatsoever. So I'm just not a big fan of bringing players. Once you mean, anyhow, I think we should just move on. And not bride is a great kicker Greg guide and everything I think he's still got some left any, but I don't I don't want to take a chance with it fair present because we're gonna have to pay them. Yeah. I mean, that's Atlanta's point was that they gotta pay him three million dollars. Right. He's gonna get his money and be like, I don't care. Yeah. Maybe so I don't know. I'm just not a big fan of hiring players that you cut before. Interesting point, not true. Try to have interesting points every now and then so aside from their shakeup at special teams the fire defensive coordinator, we talked about that they also fired their defensive assistant and defensive backs coach Charlie Jackson, and they also fired. Todd neil. Oh, this one was weird. So he's football research and development front office guys numbers guy, clipboard older. Yeah. Which is funny because cutter, and that's what we always said. He is he was the advanced statistics guy in Seattle years ago. And Dan Quinn. The season was criticized for ignoring game in a Lennox. So they fire their spouts guy. Do you do we have a gay man, Louis guy? I know we did at one point. A perusal of the website tells me we do have aid director of analytics seem as Tyler overly a new. We had some big analytics stuff going on here for a while. We also have that VR crap that J James Winstons been doing one few teams in the league. There's been doing that don't know how much it's open right because he still can't he's. Viana? How they got rid of their governor their football, research and development guy. Just in all the stats out the window. Screw go play football. Yeah. I kind of screams of desperation to me. Dan quinn. How much shaken up his staff? I wonder how much longer he's got if they don't do. Well next season. When shock me if he got caned will it's it's strange day because Mike Smith he was defensive guy. Dan, Quinn was defensive guy. And when Mike Smith was their defense was pretty good at tackling. I really liked the way they tackled but other than that they were that special and with Dan Quinn. They haven't been that special their defense last season was like as bad as ours was pretty much mirror images of each other. So it's like it's like with the when you got Matt Ryan and Julio Jones and their running game in you could put any any head coach in there, and they're going to do good. He's got like Mike McCarthy with Green Bay. I don't even know if the guy ever said anything or did anything you just stood there. He was like he could have been a cardboard cutout. And you know, they they've gone the route with defensive coaches, I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. But yeah, I think you're right. I mean, they they just not did not do well last year nothing. Dan, Quinn is in panic mode extinction burst. Yeah. Was they're still near football. Hang or they're Super Bowl hangover to that is true. Absolutely. Losing when you're up twenty eight to three was last year the first year after the Super Bowl for them. Or was it dear before it was the year before last year when the eagles beat the I want to say, yeah. The year after they gutter but looked in the Super Bowl. They did pretty good. I think they went back to the playoffs. Then I remember, maybe all blurred together. So free agency. They've got twenty one players total. We had twenty five. Yeah. So they've got night on offense. Eleven on defense in one on special teams end. They've got a several starters that are up for free agency. So we'll go through one by one. And then I wanna talk about who on the buccaneers squad that darkens fans are actually eyeballing because there was a pretty good article. I read about that burst up for free agency. We've got their guard. Andy Levin trae, he's the starting left guard. He was placed on I r in September for a torn triceps. He is thirty three years old and made seven point eight million last season. He's an unrestricted free agent. So well, you know, I feel like the last few years they've had issues with their offensive line. I feel like they're always injured marian's always getting murdered out there. And he's not the only one we got guard the starting right guard. Ben garland is up for a free agency to. They're back up. Oh, this one's given. Matt Shaab you remember Matt job. He's still playing these still play code. He's Matt Ryan's backup. So he's up for free agency. They'll be in the market for Matt Ryan, every can you recall getting hurt? Now didn't even need. Did. He have any injury one time. I don't remember. It just seems like he never gets her. How is he a robot? He acts like many a I. Okay. So next we've got defensive end Eric Shelby second-stringer, but he was placed on I r last he's in in November for a groin injury made two million last season. So then we got cornerback Justin Bethel. He's a backup. I feel like I know all these names though, because we play them twice a year. He's me. Even under backups. No. By even though their backups. We'd see you know, like, Justin Bethel. I recognize that name in any case he made one point seven five million last season. He's aged twenty nine that can't be as rookie contract unit. No, okay. And then we've got defensive tackle, Terrell McClain. He played behind Grady Jarrett. He's his backup. So he was actually a starter at the beginning of the season. And then yeah was benched. So he's been in the league. He's thirty one. He's been the leaks since two thousand eleven so next week got defensive end Bruce urban he was only signed in November and was third string. I think they needed some depth facts air in their defensive line because they got injured. Oh there long, snapper. Jon condo. There. Other long, snapper. John Harris was placed on IRR December four like what is their long snapper Newin that they're getting injured? Now, we're this a weird one. So anyway, they signed John condal which that sounds like a ruthless character. Yeah. So John Connell up for free agency next. Their tight end Logan Paulson. He's thirty two. He was a starter. Also at the beginning of the season. And then he moved down the depth chart in favor of Austin Hooper Mex is strong safety Kamal Ishmail. He's a second-string twenty years old next is left tackle ties some Briley. Oh, is that how you say it? He's the backup to Jake Matthews. D do you recognize him? I feel like the name what he big at replacement. Donovan smith. No, we'll just I don't know. Not an upgrade. I just remember seeing seeing him get whooped up and down the field by feta. So I remember your the name because I remember you bring it up in the podcast before I think, and that's usually not a good thing. When you hear the office online those name strong, safety, Jordan Richards. He's a starter. He's up for contract looks like it's the end of his rookie contract. Inside linebacker. Bruce carter. He's a backup guard Zane Beatles to recognize the same. Okay. He's a backup. Boba believe we hear Wilson. Thank you quarterback bleed. Even Ray Wilson third-string cornerback bleeding bleeding bleeding, b l I d I next is. Okay. This one's a good one starter will not really start Kevin Coleman. He's up for free agency. He started after devante Freeman was injured Freeman was put on. I r he's starting guy. Now, they just pay. Devante freeman. They just paid him got him a forty million dollar contract. When did they last year? They signed him in two thousand seventeen Freeman said that right after. He gets hurt. And it's really up in the air. Whether they're gonna resign heaven Coleman because Colman's gonna get, you know, at least, a thirty million dollar contract will the before the film is paid two running backs to huge contracts. Right. Who knows if they learn their lesson or now, I don't have. But what do you do? Do you think they anything? They let him walk. Probably. I mean, if he's gonna want thirty million. Yeah. You just can't can't see them doing that again where they've got. I mean, they're having to pay Matt Ryan what twenty three million dollars? Julio Jones is getting good Lord Jones, get thirteen and a half million true flops getting fourteen million. They're gonna pay. Devante Freeman getting on the seven million. You think they're gonna pay Tevin Coleman six million five million. Yeah. They just don't have it is that I I don't know they a bunch of dummies. They might do it. I think they have too many other needs. If you already got one good running back. Well, he got injured last year and the ad golden stepped up so true enough. But I think he's replaceable. Like, you could get a serviceable running back for three million and not have John. No, let's have been doing it for you. Running-backs everywhere as serviceable backup running out. How about that? There. We go. Next. We got defensive end Stephen me's, former buck. Twenty nine years old. He's unrestricted free agent. He's a backup they got wide receiver. Justin hardy Nonni backup on a lot of these guys. Play the rotational players. I played quite bit. Stephen means playbook quite a bit. Well, they're not first on the depth chart. That's what I mean. So they're not a starter listeners wanting to say just because he's got does it get back up. So me, they didn't play good caller, not backup defensive tackle Grady Jarrett. He's up for contract is the last year was rookie contract. I would go if we could. But I know they're going to sign. Yeah. He is is good. That's why they can't spend money on Tim and Coleman resign Grady Jarrett safety Bryant poll, he's second-string. And then wide receiver more of an hall third-string. So that's the end of their free agent list. We've got to bed for the free agency rain bird Grady jerk in couple linemen Coleman their offense. They're not hurting as far as their first stringers are going, right? We're we're not doing well for stringer was pledges. So there was an article I read speculating about what players cutter might bring over. You know is going to be Ryan Fitzpatrick and jockeys Rogers, those two almost guaranteed go to Elaine. Yeah. Anybody would take what's her third string quarterback name again? Ryan Griffin Ron Griffin. They might even get hill because they cut. I don't know what he saw. I never saw the gallon field. Right. What's his he ever thrown? An NFL pairs in a regular season game now. No, I don't think. So. So maybe that'd be good for that guy. You always feel bad for those guys kinda like Mike Lennon where they kind of their their one coaches guy. And then that coach gets fired forget the chance to develop other brings. Huge opportunity when he with the Chicago. Boy, did he stick there. He was a horrible quarterback game manager. I guess, but he just had no no own foot. So ever even horrible. I would say thing he got sick so much because he would he would take a sack before. He would he doesn't really conservative. She's considering please like Southern Baptists quarterback conservative was. Our there. I all in Adam Humphreys, get your filthy hands. All right. Keep your filthy. Then birds don't even have any get your filthy wings off. Or Adam Humphreys, dirty dirty Atlanta Falcons, Danny bad's third. I'm going to be so upset if he doesn't get resigned. I'll tell you what if he gets on somebody in our division. I'm gonna be furious. Yeah. Falcons. Can you actually actually would be worse if he went to New Orleans order Carolina? He would he would chew it up. It a Carolina. Yeah. That's what I was thinking to that. Would be worse case. Would you imagine Hillman McCaffrey fairly his name size to say, why style? He's so mad. Bernard. Really, this one's we're. So we didn't really keep him. But doesn't know the Falco hallock noted that the cutter in the buccaneers really liked him. They kept bringing him back on the practice squad signing letting him go re-signing them. So maybe a possibility for they got some third string wide receivers that are up for free agencies that may be to replace them. They might be an option. He mentioned Luke Stocker ruin. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead, bro. Another team who's he with like the jets? I think I know he's not on the plug now. Now, I think he's with Tennessee titans. Same thing like the jokes. Yeah. They're lengthened. Falco Hollick said Leonard Wester brought him up. He's he is the backup. Right. Tackle for Johnson. Keeping a dirty filthy wings rain for littered western for free agent. I think so you just did this the free. Remember, we're like the worst meal booking your. In your last one. And this is actually a Washington guy is linebacker Zach vigil. He was a notable special teams player, but they're new special teams coordinator came from Washington. So this is one of his guys that maybe they went through trying to shore or special teams. Yeah. Kind of looks that way. And so they're drafting at number fourteen Atlanta's they went seven nine this season that this point with all the trades and stuff for the drafting of teams get shuffled all turn at this point. They're number fourteen. So they are looking to shore up the trenches offensive and defensive line, particularly at the defensive tackle position. Even though Grady Jarrett is he's a free agent. And they're probably gonna resign him. He's still needs a defensive tackle beside him. There's also talk that Vic Beasley has been underwhelming. So maybe they consider a defensive end, but in general consensus is they're going after defensive line road. Yes. So Atlanta's cap salary cap situation is actually pretty decent. They've got about twenty eight million in free cap space more than us. Yeah. Gosh, I hate this being cap strapped. I know this is the first time in a decade that we've had to worry about cap space. Delighted when we're gonna have to cut good players. Yeah. Probably watched them go on other teams that probably win the Super Bowl yet. What they get lipstick. Matt Ryan like I said he's making twenty three million Julio Jones a course fourteen million fifteen half-million Vic Beazley's up there at thirteen million. He's making his much Julio Jones. That's crazy. That is crazy. So I can understand them being a little underwhelmed by him when he pay on that much money. But I don't know how he's been performing. But will doing okay, I'll tell you what when they played against us, the mar- Datsun through Beasley around like he was the second potato he'd say so small. Yeah. I mean, he's he's kind linebacker Cise. So do they play three or four? Okay. Cake play a kind of same. They were going to be doing right. We flipping it around. But did they got Greg Jarrett defensive tackle? He. About far the best player on defense. I got really underrated. He's good. Yeah. Then market value for him is gonna be about fifteen million which paid that much for him pay McCoy thirteen which pay grain Jarrett fifteen that's a tough one. Yeah. Probably not now. No. I'm telling you we could put. In general, which you pay not just the buccaneers. Oh, oh, no for you. I mean, if you if you needed the defensive tackle yet. That's that's pretty decent price. I guess I guess I don't know, man. I mean, how much is how much is air Donald kitten. He's topped here. He's a top of the line until Vida dethrones him. It's coming. It's common. Yes. Iran. Donald is. He's making seventeen million this year. Good lord. That's how okay. So if you're going to say that and you Greg Jarrett was going to be around fifteen. I don't know even still he's not air Donald level. Okay. So then next year. Okay. Fair enough next season air Donald makes twenty five million. Holy crap. Are you serious enough to that? It's twenty eight million in that. That's like quarterback money. Well, I mean during MacOS may has made more money than any quarterback. We've had since he's been here. And because we don't keep them. We definitely don't recital. Well, I don't know how much the Josh Freeman Meglena. Yeah. Yeah. Me josh. Josh Freeman was only making a million any went to six and a half million in two thousand twelve and you know, he wasn't making anything. So Jeremiah was making all the money when our two tomorrow, I think Vince Jackson was up there with Jeremy McCoy. Yeah. Probably Revaz after that. Yeah. Yeah. But McCoy's always been the the top moneymaker on our team. So, you know, Greg Jarrett. I couldn't see painting fifteen million. I could see tan, but fifteen little steep and in funny how we get like this about other people's money. Many. It's it's how it is. When you are having cat problems. That's when you start worrying about before that. I was always just like. Yeah. Pay up whenever they want. I don't care. We got we got the money. So I heard people talking about cutting, Brian anger. Why money it plus he didn't do that? Well as year, I mean and do bad. Okay. All right. Have we learned nothing from the kicker situation keep Brian anger, even if you have to pay money. Well, he's not gonna work for rocks. I would pay him an extra million dollars or whatever. He just I mean, he was fantastic. But of course, we had good special teams guys too. That were helping out and last year we were kind of we got rid of all of them. Well, it's he's not bad. He's not terrible. No. I mean, he he's been great. I think he's been great. But you know, worst case he's been a little bit above average. Word a little bit above average, really get rid of him. That's what people are talking about. That'll nice doesn't make any sense. When people talk about getting rid of the kicker Matt Ryan, I was like he was great and we're like asking right on 'cause he getting older he missed field goal. Or what you know? Now. You know, you got somebody special special teams at least do an average just keep them. Right. What about came and break his name got popped up. Oh, see that's a tough one on the one hand, you're like, well, we got OJ. So you don't really need bright. You can get rid of break. But OJ has had injury problems last two years. He's gone into reserve and brain apparently this hip injury. But good now he played through that he played for. So I think when you're in pain like that it really does affect you. Yes. So we know this experience we down we play football it word paying. We're just not able to get as many touchdowns normal. Yeah. That's that's a tough one for me. He's making more than OJ Howard. Is. Yeah. Came a break. He's up in like six million. Yeah. OJ Howard's making these on his rookie contract. Okay. Well, that's the that's the nature of the bees. Yeah. But why pay camera break that much money? I don't know. That's a that's a tough one. I like Harry brain did you know, he went to Harvard play basketball. The it's just so hard. You have a player that maybe mediocre maybe with original. Yeah. Winston has chemistry in the red zone. Right. I mean, maybe he's mediocre maybe a little above average. But you get rid of him. And then what do you get? I mean. We've gone through. We had Alan cross we had Luke stop. I mean, there's a whole long list tight ends that just aren't doing bore me. A don't recall for the game food. Just doesn't look like areas us tight ends nothing. Like cut did interesting. So I I'm worried AJ might not even get the amount of balls. He did last year. I don't know it might be just because they didn't have the town tied in like OJ. Maybe so. Ahrends supposedly, you know, big about devising his plan system around players talents. And if he does that he's going to be used tight ends lot. Because we have talented tight ends. Yeah. Don't know. We'll see if that cap space money at six million, or what is it that seventy now he took him to make a seven million dollars could go to some much needed area. We tight end situation is not bad. I don't know. That's a tough one. Do we really need to good tight ends? Well, yeah. When you're starting titan is injured all the time. That's a tough one though. How about this Freemont is out of play Brown? Signed him today. When your contract they must have had to to priority or something. I don't know how they got got. You know, everybody every team in the league was trying to go after Kareem hunt. That's a surprise to me that the Browns went after him. I know they got chill there. I didn't go. They got a already a good stable running backs. But you know, he's going gonna be suspended for the first six seventy eight said, then, you know, you're not in a bind when he's suspending. Because you've already got a good running back not to shame. I was kinda hoping we jump on that bandwagon really even with Peyton barber. We've got Peyton. Yeah. I paint Barbara. I think he's going to do well, especially we chore bar offense ladder earliest get those guys playing right? But you know, you you can't ever go wrong with the skilled running back back there like Kareem hunt. Did they have to pick up his contract? I wonder not know there hasn't been any details given out other than they just signed him to when your contract. So apparently. No, okay. You know, they can sit cutting me probably got him for a good price too. I don't know, man. I think I think he was gonna go station with a lot of teams. So they probably they probably paid. It's going to be just see what they've they're paying. I think that's going to tell everything. I mean, if they're popping off, you know, ten million to him, and you know, that there was a lot of teams, and they were just a highest bidder. Did you you didn't watch it? But did you the af league af league now, but I saw a lot amounts to doesn't Clinton. Some good hit. Yeah. It's like, faster paced. I didn't watch it. You know, it's a series one and watch college football gist is too much. It takes up to Tom me watching NFL just don't have time to what she thing L. Right. But I know I might dabble in this a little bit. See what what is it like eight teams in this league? Yeah. And then we got the XFL league coming up. So it's gonna be a full year of football. Now. I don't know if I can handle it. I'm used to hibernate in from February to September. Nope. Up your energy to again, Joe Bloggs fan headed an interesting podcast the other night, and one of the things I took away from it was admitted they talked quite a depth about a kind of bragging about how the owners, and the coaches and everything read their articles and talk to them about it is that they won't tell anybody, especially the coaches, you know, they'll be like add and read it, and whatever, but they will actually call they'll and got a bitch them out or discuss things that they've written. Now, we know appear to report Scott Smith, the Scott Reynolds, he's had players calling before I know that you know, in chew him out for articles the one they got his personal cell phone number. But I just find it interesting because because to me that big gives a different take on the whole meeting. Could you imagine working down there? You've got you have to worry about your access because I pulled your access at anytime, you know, that, you know, getting into the press passes not stuff, and then, you know, the reading your stuff, and they're listening to your podcast. And then, you know, could you imagine how hard it would be to to say negative stuff about them. Right. You know? And you can't I've noticed this a lot, especially with the entrenched guys down there Ville talk about things, and they'll they'll ask you chose that cannot talk about this. Should I talk about this? What are they know a lot more than they tell us is what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, and I don't like that. Now, Joe bucks fan to their credit. They actually they're pretty negative. Yeah. This is true. They talk a lot shit. I think yeah, they do especially when it's time for a coach to get fired. You'll see Joe box van Impe report. What you're saying? I the that. Is usually I think they're the ones that started Peter or gain Andro bucks fan. I think they both. We don't want to teach over there. There was some I wanna say lawsuits whenever because Peter ports got the forum. And they were they kept posting Joe books articles in the forum in a full length. Word for word articles have users redoing it and Joe bucks got his and they sent pew report a season desist letter. Oh my God. I don't know. How far went all this. But I think that that they're not real friendly with each other. I don't think but it just makes me go. There's stuff they know like the two thousand eleven book. And here's what happened there the Noah, Spence. We know. They know what happened. They just don't want to tell us that stuff like with Sean Jackson. Rick Stroud talked about something a year after it happened. And I'm like, why don't you tell us when it happened? Now, why why save it until you're trying to get rid of him right now. It's just to me. That's just no, it's it's a weird reporting. Just don't like it. Well, then it don't get me wrong. I like Joe book saying like report, I like all these guys. But I I just really wish that sports reporting was different and better and more festive like cramp their fans. They're not reporters. Will let's not true Joe books. They have reported background. They're both from I. Yeah. They both started off the Tampa Bay times the Tribune. Oh, yeah. Well, seem on them. Not journalism. Well, you know, they're doing good doing a good service for the fans to so I just really wish that we had some good investigative reporters. Got. Mason like they just quote people. Then they give a lot of opinion on what these people are saying. Yeah, what will do is? They'll get a quote from coach, you know, and in the no like build a whole article around in what they think the coach, man. Yeah. You know? And it's just like, I don't I don't like we know when you quote is kinda like it'd be kinda like if reporters though, the Washington Post economic times all they did was listen to Sarah Sanders at the podium, and it just quoted her, you know, that's all they ever. Did. They didn't do investigative journalism. Get down dirty and find right the stuff that nobody's talking about. If they wanna keep him. You know? So I don't know. I'd like to see more of that. And I don't feel like the reporters in Tampa. They don't take any risks with what they're writing. Yeah. Yeah. They're not breaking any stories. They're not Rijo box broke the areas getting hired they call dente week before. But everybody kind of knew it was happening. They just happen to have a source that conferment. They're not they're not putting their career at risk or their credentials at risks to do anything. There's no nobody's going to biscuit. Yeah. It's it's that's why it's kind of almost parasitic that. You know, because they have to kind of do they can't go against the Dorgan ization because organization will pull access you know, in that. And they really depend on access because that's how they get you know, player will relax room quotes. And and, you know, get to note general manager is not good stuff as to access, and I understand their point of view. It's just I would like to see more of a down dirty get greedy, you know, find out about inner working stuff and share it in a not a National Enquirer style. But a kind of like a TMC style. You know, we went to. I wanna know what's up with no expense is basically what I'm kidding. What was this situation there? All right award sap said that he was invited to TA's by the coaching staff of the buccaneers. Oh, yeah. That's awesome. Bruce Arians have said he wants to bring in ex players, you know, and have them come in for practices and stuff, which is awesome. I think that's. Beccles there. Oh, I see Beccles in German Koi fight. That's awesome. Mcqueen picking Michael. Beccles is old right? He played back in early nineties eighties nineties. So anyhow, I think that's anything that was on the fanatics view dot com did an interview with Warren Sapp, and he was talking about. So what is he gonna do TA just go out there and act like a born Sam? I follow him on Instagram like all he does fish. Okay. So it was hashtags on our sap, fishing and sap, not fishing. So those are the only two things he's got fishing is fishing and not fishing hip surgery. Dead during Harris, tag, no fishing, Sapna, not fishing fishing. Yeah. He'll probably go. And we'll just give speeches and all that good stuff. And I think that's cool. I like that with areas I remember in Xiang. Oh and Shanas period. They went let anybody in matter of fact, one guy got kicked off. I can't remember what I think it was Dexter Jackson the Super Bowl MVP came in for something to a practice. And they were like, no it out, you know, made big stink about it. But that was during that period when everybody was trying to run shadow out of town. So he could've done anything, right? Interesting. I wonder I wonder who else will get their books. You know, he's he's gonna be there. Vinton Jackson will be there. He's still on Tampa Jesuit show girls. You know, he's he's me works at front office as beg. He he was lamb Becker Beckwith Sam. Okay. John Lynch, Tacoma. You know, he can't because he's he's Geel before. Yeah. That's it. Comey me be like, okay. Here's what you do guys just lay down, especially when you play in the forty Niners ground don't take this game series. Made. You're gonna hurt yourself. We might. Their division are we planning? Now, we don't play the west, but you play the bottom whoever the two divisions that way. Yeah, he played the same team in the same position. You were fully got to list of people were playing team still apply. If look at that real quick, so yeah, we do play San Francisco, and we play the why we play the west as your other. There's not the powerhouse. They were division last time we played in which I think was during Jonah's thing to thirteen. I think. Did they were more settled division was monsters that was an areas is there I now. So that'll be fun him getting a play against his own division. Oh, man. That's excellent. Yeah. And that'll be cool. Get storyline to oh. You know, the NFL's going around with that the Bill all week air is plain as there's corridas. So I think we talked about the buccaneers and everybody else as much as we did Eliana. Well, and I'll tell you who will see your podcast all about the Atlanta Falcons. Nobody a falcons fans don't even want to hear a podcast about the falcon stop. We have to do this. No your enemy. We're learning. Our enemy Ralph that. No yourself and know your enemy, and you will win every battle is that how he said it to you probably should it in Chinese. All right. Well, let's going to wrap it up the next who we're going to do next for their free the enemy Carolina, neck Carolina next the Panthers Cam Newton mister smiley. I think he's going to be not the same Cam Newton anymore with his surgery. Second land second surgery. Yeah. They're really killing him over there. Yeah. He runs away too much. Yeah. But they can't defend on glowing. Right. So what do you do run off? Yeah. That's we got a quarterback at hand the ball, real good. All right. So tune in for next time. We're going to have the know your enemy Carolina Panthers mile is going to do research on that. And I'm just going to sit back and enjoy it with the rest of you anything else. Now. That's it. All right, guys. We will continue to bring you the buck news breaks. We'll probably jump on here and give you the shadow for that. Until then guy backs.

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African Basketball Footwork

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African Basketball Footwork

"Hi this is boom. Oh this is tom. And this is matt over. The podcast brought to you by the washington informer bridge podcast network. If you're interested in advertising on our podcast please go to washington a former bridge dot com to check out more episodes and also email info at w. abridged dot com info at w. bridge dot com. If you want to become an advertising partner with us we'll keep dropping him gyms. We hope to see you soon pasia. He's but he's tom say. I'm getting ready the destination and i'm almost there. You see somebody on a story. We just like a desert in the backyard. That's all we need lacking that were to do nothing to do it. Like if i'm gonna come up with a african saying. I'm i'm sure it wouldn't be but don't come up with one roof as we put yours. Come with africa's samuel fans african. Let's revisit this at the end of the show. I i'm gonna come up one but we'll get some leeway give that might need a new station at it is a show we did add all some are could could give you the one that i said that nearly caused a woman to five million college. Okay okay laura joyce get set up all right so lewis yours so These girls were beef with me and my friends. I don't even remember. Why right. And i said all bark and no bite makes for a small chihuahua and made them even more mesh smack. Shit out he didn't she. I never got smacked by touch me as they say in my community hit dogs meantime someone feels i dunno vulnerable. I wasn't director this way if we was walking down the street right and there was a pack of dogs in the middle of the street. Threw a rock. The dollar get hit is the one that's go holiday right so you hit a nerve. That's what i was trying to say his problematic as like you said if you walk by a group of girls say who wanna get fucked and asked the girl to turn around and say. She's a teacher said. This is my at least start about this show. Yes a teacher said estimate yes and administrator and straight ahead but anyway Let us be conscious of our surroundings. Speaking of african proverbs. You're saying jayco hooping of africa. A exact what happened. Because you know. I didn't see it out. Necessarily have the info i just know j cole has been practicing and practicing for some years now like even has done open with nba players and as as actually all right like you see him. Make a basket. I think there was a a meme. They got posted that but it was him dunking and he liked jumped. So high that he liked tomahawk cockpit back both hands bang and then fell whiny arrested s afterwards but face fire you got some athleticism you know like the clips have been coming out over the past year. Can you shoot from deep. You know what i mean and then the dog laid min- documentaries like all one big basketball analogy and so are mix tapes. I think it's a fantastic. Just overall rollout right right now jake holders greater just staying off the face of the earth unless he's until he's ready to present a body of work or or say something or make some sort of statement But throughout the year he's been pretty strategic in picking his spots he started doing a little bit more Features and whatnot leading up to this album released like on. Twenty-one savages a lot. I mean He had you dropped the middle child records right early on during the pandemic he also partnered with puma and has his his air dreamer or something like that to dreamers shoe so he has his own basketball shoe. Nixon nick is an nba have worn it. Yeah i'm pretty sure during live games so even that is stabbed validated. So for him to drop this new album which is coming out on friday. The off season Also accompanied with like a seventeen minute or fifteen minute documentary. I forgot what it was. Twelve minutes to be exact. Thanks to you by the correct. Before i actually genuinely appreciated that could have recorded this. So you're saying that. J. cole's rolled out is all basketball thing basically so go ahead tom. It's it's all in the documentary right like the documentary's really him explaining where his mind is and like you. I've done a lot. Am i satisfied where i'm at on my going to like turn turn up and keep challenging myself. And then he talks about family talks. About how like does on that he puts himself into create and then lastly he was saying that he's not satisfied. So i'm just gonna keep going so it's like does that mean you're going to keep going keep doing albums or the family part. That's mentioned in. It is like are you. just you know. Be the second in walk. Walk away into the clinton walk. Walk away from where i'm from. The whole thing said just so he is expected to so he's dropping out on friday documentary just talked about it. he's joining the rwandan for the rwandan inside. The patriots bbc interesting name in the inaugural season of the basketball africa league. And i wonder if this is the league that is sponsored by the nba. It is like a twelve team is a twelve team of situations like the nba's foray into starting in international basketball league a stronger presence in africa. Especially a lot of. It's been in china yet and to really like put money down and have some popping off in africa doping after for j cole to be a part of it sniffs thirty six fulfilling. His dreams looks like he actually has a chance to really do something and I like him in a couple of questions. Okay yeah two questions. I knew you'd have some. I have some questions here. It's only. I think. I think the most important question which ought really answer is. Do nigga still do rollouts for the albums. In the second question is which is far less important. What is the african style of basketball first european. Stoutly so so it's funny. I had a feeling today's podcast. Return to pseudo sports analysis. I mean you had. The situation came to dream. The dream shake mean footwork. Me host who the africa game was the poet for the most part. The sound big men. Who i've been african grew up playing soccer hence the good football i like to. I like the extra. That's true but i'm asked for what african basketball is. I'm not sure. I haven't answered because you know like nigeria sometimes is somewhat good but they're not beating america just better than every few other teams and then like now in more recent years like argentina and spain and a lot of these other international powerhouses and other sports have kinda come closer to right. American even have us a couple of times. Well i think that's also infrastructure right. Frank like spain and My guy we'll see other souls countries like they have you know academy so you know kids are going to the system at twelve thirteen. I'm not saying that africa doesn't have that. Maybe this'll be the impetus to you know africa having but i'm like there's no way that africa lacks the talent hill dot. I think talking to attempt to answer this question right but before it's going to be a soccer hour before you answered relationship to give a little context to okay right so there is definitely if we just isolate the united states. There's definitely a different style of play based on the region of the united states dream. Okay it's a west coast. You have more shooters coming out of the west coast and you have more drivers coming east coast here and then as you move to the mid west. You have the combination of of such. And that's i mean they used to. They built that stereotype based on the weather and what equipment was available in which parts of the states. You can shoot outside all the time on the west coast. You can't shoot in a winner in brooklyn hands. Just can't do this so of course. The skills are different so now. We know africa's not a monolithic situation. It's the biggest continent on the planet right. So of course northern africa africa might play a little differently but based on that. Now how do you think basketball so once again. My question my ass expertise is not basketball is actually soccer right right so if you pay attention. More recent years basketball players who are coming from the international game are coming younger and in a sense more skill saw luka doncic watch him play he's like almost playing in slow motion but getting everybody in everything and every shot that he wants very true but he's also been a professional since he was like twelve years. Old yes or i think fifteen or something like that but that goes to what matt was saying earlier is like a lot of these professionals. That are being groomed overseas. They're being groomed in academy so like imagine the chicago bulls having an academy in chicago. Yeah and that's what these these young these young basketball players are being groomed in. Well that's all in like chicago. Even though they might not have an academy for the bulls. Do you have like simeon highschool powerhouses. So yea powerhouses. Right in my. What's that equivalent gonna be africa if unless there is one already know. Because i'm just not aware but i think so that's where i was going with the soccer thing there's in different areas so like for example ivory coast ghana. There's like dares academies that have come to prominence so life for example drug and a lot of the crazier into every coast stars. That have come out. They're all from the same area or they went to play for the same team. So and my eyes. I feel like that's how africa can flourish when they kind of concentrate the energy and you know. Put these players in environment where they can flourish also have like the decamping tumbles come back home. The hockey malaysia one dwelling all these negative. I'm sorry this biondo bismarck. Yambio serge ibaka will surges fresh amy. No he's me. She's he's african. I believe he plays for like the spain. All right i think so. I might be mistaken but like that's that's all whole 'nother thing when you get after you do a you and getting into the national team and stuff like that there's so many nuances to have played like for example. Let's say i'm really good in soccer. You can have played for america all the way until you're nineteen and you're like well my dad's from ghana. Let me go play for ghana. So that's where Not when when the soccer team was going crazy one of the players his his actual brother played for germany. He played forgotten otane right. Yeah the kevin prince boateng in jerome both thing. Okay okay so like the same thing applies like you can you can flourish in a whole system and go be somewhere else. 'cause you know like okay in spain. There's too many good players. Let me go. Play and africa where i could be the main foci chance the interesting so did you know. Did y'all wash to merge is an interview. Watch it when he was give a smoke to naomi. Osaka choosen japan over haiti her. Yeah petra of origin. Is that what he gave smoke for you going in on it. But i didn't know why he was he was going on and he's been coming at a kevin samuels reason. Fuck ever saying we talk about fuck kennedy said all day massage bullshitting ass fuck ass nigga compare Bow before one last thing. Though his doing album rollouts thank you. The african conversation is interesting. Juanita kevin samuel conversations interesting. Maybe we'll come back pockets. I think the is real. We're in micro I dunno microwave industry right. I don't mean to sound all right but it's just like Even this rollout has been condensed to five days it. Has you know what i'm saying. If you if you count like the shoe right. I mean the year but i mean in my opinion i would say that it is still a thing but it's like the there's been adjustments that have had to be made right so like not every beyond say kendrick j cole. They could be like an album. It android five days later with highs generating in between but the average artist or laissez regional. Someone who's heavy in the region like let's say i dunno shaikh lizzy here type of thing. He can like you have to build up to it in a sense you after you know. Do a show you have to do this. You have to do that. And then it bills up to dropping out but we're in a pandemic still so we're the shows the shows got now have to become virtual or you have to give you have to give your your audience. Something to grasp onto an independent. I think in the pandemic is made things worse because like it's should has happened in every single day just just because we been going. Stir crazy for year and a half. You don't mean so. It seems like every forty eight hours every twenty four hours but every forty eight hours. Something that was crazy that was being talked about is not talked about at all. All right soda rollouts you know. I haven't seen artists take out too many albums. You know what i'm saying. It's mostly single. Drop so are there. Mike watt was a was a drop in the pan. Like that's like that's gonna happen for everybody and when cardi does finally job album or megan drops another album which might be in the two next year. Like didn't what might be a single. Nasa may maybe even interesting. Wouldn't you bring up about the popularity to artists right. It's pertains to album roll out and not. I hate to sound old as well. But like i think i just start listening to a little baby. I think little baby could do better if he had like organized. Organiz brand right. When i think a little baby. I just thinking like oh. He's just a low rapper. Do i don't really have a story. Narrative the go around him a certain image to go around him like about jay z. About all he's a businessman businessman about kellyanne. Think about a college dropout. I think about camera. Think about all and ridiculousness about little baby. I just think about always. That's just low baby now. I mean well my little brother's a big little baby fan. So i i feel like drops. I'm souci so he comes from a good One of the major systems of record labels out here. Qc you know He's the next era posts migos right But not post me goes but there's gotta be something newer I know he knew and he was industries way before he was a rapper. A couple of times serious shit. So he's already stanford validated. I think his brand is dope because the the lyrics he no he really does do respect his lyricism in his ability to i don't know like he say what it takes some of the same elements that everybody else is using but like really stamp his own lane with it and i know what the branding most of his projects have harder in it so it was like harder than ever harder harder one heartedly horrid ask him and gun. Came up a lot Drip harder like because i think gonna head like in a lot of his shit you know. I'm a thirty so anybody listening this. Who's the little baby expert. Just just noted it's trying so you know all right so chooses silent heavily associated with gonna is on thug albums atlanta zone. So i mean he has a solid foundation. But yeah i do want to see what is the story of the narrative being built around it right. I mean for him to do that. That grammy performance is a big thing. You know. I think that helps separate him from a lot of these other artists to even though like issues tudo right. I mean this is a nigger from the streets. Who's doing you know you can say still really rich production. It is lift. You know e smoke street. Talapity shouldn't cops and at like four negatively. Talking about that is you got. Count that for something it is. You're right you're right. I bring that up in of album like rollouts. Because i feel like rollouts really help establish a brain within a certain individual and gave them an identity. I think grammy performance counts as a big part of a rollout. Okay okay what. I'm saying like stuff like that. So so yeah. I guess if if a a grammy performance counts as part of a rollout the and i would definitely consider dropping shoe back to your point as the like at lisa fundamental point in the house and the next in the past few years chico performed at the all star game maybe north carolina he definitely performance out to all star game To the point that you made a second time. I think that you actually you made it. You started when you're talking about like this. This microwave coach them wearing within the music industry. And then tom you brought up. The i'd say we're in the air. We are in the platelets area area era. But do you ever think we can get back to like projects is that a is that a is that a thing of the past. Now let me. Let me take some rest. I was listening to brigham idiots with little duval. Okay a little duval was talking about his daughters experience with comedy to her comedy. Stand up whatever. Whatever form it takes is walling death. Comedy jam gottschee eighty five. South show is not like one nigga standing on stage given out jokes for sixty minutes three on stage thinking alison offi poston ribbon. Exactly right there so little duval said to the kids now. That stand up They they say nigger standing on stage talking to himself for an hour. That's like that's kind of way. So then i'm thinking are a we now in a we. An era where like albums in complete projects are of the past. I think i want to put this out here. I think a lot of shit is trash right now to across the standard game and across his music being put out in this great a lot of great quality. But with you know everybody be able to put their shit out there independently shots at lowe's clientele like that's actually good artists. That had their own distribution are able to put their music out on right on flat out fan but that also opens up the gates for a lot of trash us a lot of trash our here it takes away from it so you see a bunch of niggers on stage dolo doing performances. 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Should it now now source to have your own space pretty much to exist in the same space. The property of having a definite location at any given space state of existing in being localized in space. That sounds that sounds very would also. I'm use it in the sentence. We'll hear strictly speaking in unin body. Spirit or pure mind has no relation to place. Wariness you buy. It is pure relation the relation of body to body A this is. Are you. Buy t i mean here permanent though right but also girls so. It's lafayette you biden's right either. When he's not here you buy when you tell your girl denture podcasting with the guys. Does she Believe you're you buy. Yes she does. I was like. Where's this going. You know thinking that. Sometimes i really think it does. Does he think. I'm somewhere my ass right. These episodes right six eight. I came over here. I don't say originally wanted it. When did it did it happen. Didn't drop it right right right but the good thing for us times. He's been at the criminal okay. She seen the equipment. He's seen effort. Yeah that's all right though. Let's get to this week and creativity. I think we have an interesting things to talk about. actually somebody just says something a second ago. We'll be talking about in the code open. it's kevin samuels and okay interesting. Dr umar johnson who was considered a ridiculous ass nigga is going one on one with kevin salvador ridiculous equally ridiculous. Nick i just find it. Okay what are your thoughts or dr johnson. What are your true thoughts like. Is this nickel while in. I mean i'll be feeling like he's well intentioned but like the execution is like a misfire. Sometimes i don't know yet. They're both streaky. Like like shots russell. Westbrook real talk though desa. That's so that's a of consistency. Well roundedness i think kevin samuels in. Dr kumar are both like streaky. Right they can be they can they can be correct. In certain ways then decca 'cause like the layman to believe a lot or buy into their shit. Yeah but then when she really started to see the well roundedness of the individual. You can start spot in the weaknesses and shit jordan clark a lot of bravado in performative kind of fronting peacocking in different ways. You know what i'm saying. Kevin samuels just chooses. One kind of more suave. Is it suave though. It's misogynistic and then gay to which is the road. It'd be a gay commodity nothing. I'm just saying that this man is perpetuating to be strapped for formative still it's still grappling me is the problem. He's acting like he is straight in order to give advice to women about straight men but he's gay okay so it makes you really wanna know what makes you think he's gay. Is it like this. This is the kedar. This is something that came out from the black woman. Investigators who are like who're like watching him were so i believe the black which a don't believe the hype is you. Don't believe evidence circumstantial. Sir i feel like we just need to give circumstantial. Here's a thing in this regard. Regardless i listen to by women okay. And if they got the receipts to be they own the precipice of the truth it might not be the truth but they own the precipice of the truth. So i'm going to take it for what it is. They stand my is gay. Which is like okay all right. We'll let's just say for a second. I'm gonna pick my battles. I ain't fighting for that knowing kevin. I'm ready to go one on one with him anytime. Double down on his position. Feels like overcompensation. I mean that's i feel like that's what you're saying. That's the black. Saying i don't know nothing. I'm listening to them. And what even. Before the gay point. I'd feel like he's a misogynist. Either before you get there. I think he speaks corneas negative stuff. That's the thing like a real life. Twitter negative who really believe that shit and really put into practice. what. He says like normally like amo sneakers. That's so sad. That doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with a point of view but it's just like saying about everything else is the delivery of a lot of things i don't know i once again. There's a tactful way to say things. Respectful way to say i'm kevin samuels doesn't operate in that space. That's what i'm saying you can you can. You can put words around. Racism is still racism. I'm not talking about racist. Who i'm talking about how to talk to people. I'm talking about what. He's talking nicely or talking. Disrespectfully still sizes bima. We're on the same side of the bro. I just felt like we ought to go to war. So can we go okay. That's what i was hearing. Do you have a dog in this fight. Do you have nobody who i feel invested in. But you know. I feel like Dr moore's most recent interview has put him in a better light than previous. He seemed previous Showing previous oh. Yeah i mean i guess it's good to know the school back. That's that's even explained it on the interviews. Just like why you got say like like he. He pretty much was saying like look. The school is built. All we need is like these two things and if you know i'm black and if someone else black you know just invested their time and fixed it then we'd be here if i was if we was mexican than the community would have helped me do just like. Why is this the way you choose. Do we know that we don't know that. I know that's my point like we don't know that. Then why are you choosing to deliver the message this way like. I'm i'm already african so like somebody things dr who mars going to say. I'm just like throw it away with a grain of salt. Just because like i don't agree with the how you said it and i don't agree what you're saying so like without With all that being said. I would watch versus hell. You absolutely a one. On what. I've watched johnson pay for that shit. Oh yeah absolutely what. I was gonna very entertained. Lots of trillion shit box. Not nine. I just put a table in the middle of rating inches. So that's another point speaking of creativity. Do you appreciate the fact that versus has moved to trailer like outside of the. Let's say set set investment. I'm not really. I don't really like having to go to trailer. And what that entails. I think trailer has some momentum because we keep talking about it because versus the acquired or they did the partnership with verses. But also that. Jake paul fight in floyd fight. I'm sure you know it's gonna be like the roberson knock out. All the shit has been happening on trailer. So they're constantly being news. I know that Versus the partnership peleton. Which is huge as dope. So they're creating more avenues. In at the end of the day. I think we talked about versus and their decisions should pass. But i'm like brothers. Get your money man. I'm definitely appreciate the money part. I'm just i liked. I could just go to g and play play as opposed to like. Oh and then. I'm waiting and then this. I'd rather just have the dj. And then whatever. I don't know so with with the only thing was like i don't want to just have like i g live on my phone all the time. I would rather use that for some other things like so in. I don't know. Maybe there's a i don't have the thing where i'm just going to cast it. Plug that into my tv. I don't wanna plug my phone into my tv with id join. I think really they probably just give you a better overall experience but the usability in access because we already have those apps like aichi live and apple music. You know what i'm saying. It makes it makes it easier. So they're gonna have to put some legwork to seriously bring people over to that platform you gotta remember. Trillo was basically tiktok right and now they're doing pay per views. Wow and disclosure. Eight discusses was basically just to g. And now they're doing major partnerships with these big companies. Make arriving money the thing. Nobody drinks on the set. The thing i like about the trailer partnership is that the production value has shot up crazy to production value. These answers today putting on. It's no longer to show like fabric. You remember the ludicrous versus daily battle. These tickets was both on the phones. Right and nellie was struggling. Riley was raining outside so we had a whole national program had to pause because of the rain. And now there's a program where they can move and cameras multi camera sets. They have fucking performance set performance videos. Tv's in the man had a capon. It does better and to the point that you may meant like this one to move. Waking baby will be mo- off i mean the technology assadi shore but the thing that really is came. Just be locked on phones. Our i tried. You live for an hour. that'd be trying to watch would be but it's like right before work. So you know if i got a check email and you gotta get off get off and now. That's why i was saying. I appreciate the fact that it's on apple podcasts. But without also expand that. 'cause i mean if we keep in it or hundred right now 'cause you know it's his over the wiki keep it. We keep in one hundred right now. My viewership is one thousand percents shitting on my listenership. Riad right to tell me easy. I have way more consistent watchers than i have consisted listeners. Menendez think that's the nature over the show started as an audio only so a lot of a lot of our original fans are entered into the audio and online radio so precise so there was a big avenue. Kind of a catch. My shit has always been a morning show that you can comment on on instagram right. I'm going to shift to twitter or thriller so then they do other things in the morning or posted on youtube. I don't know i'm just telling shit out on youtube. That's just another so you said you're moving into trailer me the trillo twitch or my own shit. Oh no don't that'd be probably never be took. That will keep us posted. I feel about patriotic since joe biden The deal or warrior mall came back. Yeah so joe. Biden like a as a jihad path and dynamics aren't you aren't you a job at night. I am joe biden. Podcast fan okay. I am supporter in listeners. Since day one of the podcasts. Okay i i'm not like a big joe biden music fan but i do appreciate the podcast and i've been through. I've heard all the different iterations in terms of his co host. But there were some you know internal issues amongst the team in four. I think about six episodes five or six episodes the his two co warrior mall kinda got out the way and you know joe biden kinda replaced them with two of his other homeys and he has like probably like we all have these dope ask virus conversations off the mic. They would bring that energy seamlessly onto mike So the episodes without roy moore pretty good so Warrior mall recently came back They're currently taking a vacation. But you know before the vacation was episodes where the original or the most The most recent kind of Mainstays are back but now so since joe had already launched his partnership with the patriots so mind you drove button drops twice a week just for regular listenership ship all the podcast platforms but with patriae you can pay a different levels t access to more content right right. He pay five dollars. You make access to like one additional episode paying ten dollars a month you get access to like five Three or four. Whatever they dropped twenty five you get like shirts and discounts on merge. And shit like that so he has levels too so i signed up because once four mall came back issue is who were the replacements ended up still doing episodes with joe on the patriots so now joe is found a way to pivot and so now that he has his main guys back. He can do that on the main platforms. And now there's already a listenership that supports issue ice as co-hosts well so now there's a demand for people to buy the patriots so that was dope patriot as a as a vehicle as a platform. And i've had friends who've had patriots in the past. But i'm seeing people. Celebrities are really starting to drive sales. Like i'm one of them. Wants ish in ice moved in. I found out that they had episodes. They were still having real conversations on patriots. I fuck it. i'll support. I heard andrew schultz flagrant crazy. Shit all they do lose this professional onlyfans basically. That's exactly what i mean. I feel like that's what was going on now. Like a patriot. Maybe they just changed the color scheme and rebranded lima pornography's fine. Hey that is that is the number one driver. What is pulling gonna pick up enough tease. Maybe i think is usually the driver. I should say i said point is usually the driver of a lot of technology and adoption. Should it is virtual reality and stuff like they extended reality. He's fucking subscription models porn true but the nfc of a little free. I have some behind the pay wall. Port right. Hey i think would be a great point like you. Look at some of these pornhub x. Videos all these classic porn sites right which you can just pretty much watch porn for free. Which i'm sure is not benefiting the production houses at all right. Who's really paying like. You remember are pouring episode. No it'd be it'd be like two years ago. we were talking about. How porn is always at the front of like. We talked about subscription bay. This is like one of the first ones Maybe maybe you might have been one of the first one we were talking about how light we're talking about payments splits particularly when it comes to content creation to the payments blitzer like ridiculously the not on your side but when it comes to light pornhub nine ninety percent of the prophet right and so to the point of like these production houses on porn these production born houses. They are losing money because they're doing they're doing the same before. Give it to you a little freedom saying but if you really want to see what's going on come confirmed with us and you can pay nine point instead of going to One of the houses bang bros. You don't go to bang. Bros dot com. Go to to nine nine nine here and you get access to bang rose and a whole bunch of other shit exactly and bang. Bros still making that ninety percent of the nine ninety nine. Come on dog anyway. I don't know why we start talking about point. I don't even know how we got here. But i was gonna say to counter that is that who who would benefit like not not just on the porsche it like entity who would benefit because when we think about when you're romanticizing and a tease and their usage for like music we'd like okay. Finally maybe an artist's his able to really benefit off the reselling of their music more directly in bypass a lot of the labels and infrastructure listener using the tackle man taxing process that they have to go through right now but with porn industry in. Its exploitive who really benefits from. Nfc is all the ip. Is it really going to be the. How often will it be the point star not in. I don't know man. I mean just actually at the same point for music though. Yeah if def jam starts putting out. Nfc music right. It's not going to def jam artists. It's not going to sweetie is going back to japan which it will be filtered through again. And the which unless i don't know music deals i don't think i don't think the we just put out to a deal. She put out independent music. That same thing we're born like somebody comes takes your picture and you got paid to get that picture taken. You are work for hire picture picture. interesting stuff. It is interesting patriot patriotic. I've i'm seeing that podcast as we are also on a new podcast network shouted abridge podcast network. Hey look at you. What your timing gotta do it I'm seeing that. Podcast are half to expend extend past the audio format in order to be like uber successful or successful in any way very much Can't be it can't just be one thing right so to the point. Like what do i think about going onto to patron. Do we think about going on the patriot. Right man. yeah thought about. I thought about it speaking of demand. It's the best way you ever watched the real housewives up. Both of us have not been watching. But there's been an interesting discussion online so timelines blowing up right now because apparently porsche Stole her friends. Man and her friends man who snickers named simon apparently yes worth four million four forty african negative four. Four million is all four. Zero is a forty forty. He's really worth forty million. Forty days like executive producer or something the support. You got homegirl out the way you know her in us. I'm an alien love. So i'll even know how to happen. I guess the question we were were opposing is like what how How off limits are your friends. Xs or your friend's xs off limits. And if so for how long and to what extent some currently in a relationship you gotta put that out. Okay me too I feel like i feel. I feel like this is a good example. I'm the best man to a to a wedding right now. okay My man's used to take this girl girl beautiful bad back in the day. What he proposes his girl. I was like i could ask exile now and be like and tell them about it but i think about date has always been about communication and transparency. You can take the fuck you want to date back but are you bold enough. Are you really that boat enough and courage to like come to my face was like hey. I'm trying data if you can do that that's cool meaner enough but if you try to do all the slippery shot shit china. Be behind somebody back now. Do you. not showing respect to me or her. I think it depends on. What do we consider france too and it depends on the situation that that that original relationship was in right and there's brings a of friends close friends. Your man's young. Saying i think my inner circle Maybe about a solid five. I'd extended say like a salad ten. Okay shouldn't even be A conversation right outside of that. You don't even have to really say to me okay. True games the game. You know what i'm saying. I love love is love. Who am i to say like you know absent of me. This person can facts. you know. Move on somebody who have like a degree of separation between like i have the capacity to really give a fuck you but the my ten is like people who i would really consider to be backup in my bachelor party and or front row right. I mean like role. You know what i mean like to. What did you think i feel. I agree with matt and then at the same token like for a lot of my close friends are taste like dramatically different so that really hasn't happened But for me. I mean like you said if outside the the media circle like the games the game so What about your industry mates. So there's a lot of black. I'm trying. I'm trying not to touch this one but technically that happen should by grandma short. The girl that i'm dating now. Philo i'm not gonna name no name but fellow podcasters with dating a right before i came on but i'm doing who stuck around. That's what's up. But i guess where i'm going with that like around i. I'm not insecure. So if i have to interact with them and we have to do business with some sort of way trip and i don't know how he feels about it all even know if he knows what happened. I'm not tripping pushing tribune get girl but even if i was the first black men to black man like i'm sure at least for me i'm sure let it go and we can do something or i can help in some way. That's how i am not everybody's like that. I wish it could be somebody who barely dealt with and in this industry insecure niggers out here. Like is yeah. I mean i feel like should drake be dayton. Drake dayton kim kardashian man. Hey protocol protocol in pilot. So he's doing it. Yeah okay the other part of it is. Would we be surprised if jake drake didn't and i mean that's a great point assessment on this on the person surpri. I dunno surprises right. And then i judge drake and then within within that same scenario have you heard a story about like drake flu fiance a couple out and then smashed a fiancee soon thereafter. But you gotta check nick. Track workers drake has a track record of of getting off on like taking your joint. Light met legendary stories of like taking any girl going into vip an indication vip say so. That's i think that's gross negligence on the nigga who got left got cheating on. I think you've gotta know yet. You gotta know your landscaping no. I suppose i don't know maybe i'm going down the rabbit. I've been watching a lot of like black documentaries at the same time right. I feel like sometimes in certain relationships like life for example you there are. Somebody's about to propose somebody. I'm amazed about opposed to a woman but he hasn't gotten a real realistic sense or take a where the relationship is so he goes to propose and then short he says no. That makes sense because yeah. Yeah and that's what. I'm saying. Research so or a lot of times like they don't have a realistic sense of the relationship. That situation probably meant to happen like the do was probably fucking up some type of way. He thought he was about to marry shorty. Maybe they've been fiance's for too long and she will just fed up straight right and so if it was like industry france which really is is industry friends and like i know we all do different things. So it's kind of weird to put us in a category so because we're so generalists when it comes to creativity the creative industry out here like so many different things. Like i don't know i think just man man has to have a coat it has to delineate win. The one line is crossing when it's not and is is it worth it. If you're arcs out with somebody that you kind of know by association or your associated with like to a degree you know as i really that big of a deal in a grand scheme. That's situation like like we say it's a situational thing like i'm not about to find anybody over a girl. That's just not my thing but some fighting over girl before before. I thought yeah me. I'm romantic. There's been some cold world stuff but i've i've experienced victory. I've i've experienced els defeat his word that that's what makes us think we all have. I think we ought to have. Yeah anyway we got a big w coming up on money. Move of the week thirty days from now in washington. Dc in the street is open. Push a button. All the first order button was june. Eleventh the dc is wide open. Meaning you can go to the club with your face out the faith how. That's tongue everything. All that data start moisturised appeared a little. I'm away till july boy to delay. You really wait now. You're not going to. Because i haven't you wait till june eleventh all over within reason. Yeah you know. Soft launch may twenty-first. Right because i think they say restaurants and nightclubs will be fifty percent capacity on may twenty first. Are they really going to buy eleventh so ten days. Ten day countdown. Hello and then everything else is pretty much open except for like Concert venues but then on the eleventh. Everything's everything's open shukla. Rose bar ethically dropped a liar within seconds of announcement that and you gotta stay ready as any longstanding establishment. Sure shot's rose bar. I think that was that was perfect g type of move I'm saying it's especially since we lost so many restaurants spots in wake is it's good to know we've got rose still standing right. John walls were going to come from out of town to ask june eleven. The city is back open I don't know man. I'm i'm a little. Shell shocked to be honest with you. I don't know really know what the fuck to do. Yeah i don't know either man. I think i'm i don't know it's going to be a lot of traffic right right right. I wanna know like what's women's space on my end for this city after this you know pandemic what is the city gonna look like but as a sitting on feel like you know. I don't know. I think i've changed a little bit. I think we've all changed like i've mellowed out a little bit more so in some of the spots that i felt like i was going to gracefully fade out. Turn to my to the nightclub. Risotto soda or whatever the fuck fourteenth street yeah basement about that was about to be my little transition or whatever what i should have gone so the was gone go her. Marvin's why marvez. But they might come back. But i'm doing. I'm not a marvins tight nigga anymore. Marvin literally eight minutes. A lot of love like my. I feel like my my jersey deserves to be an apple. I are you going back. You going back to the lounge back to the lounge. Not a faithful patriot. You gotta you gotta go. You support it now. Am i going often. Nah then maybe two to three times the entire pandemic entire painting contractor type when they got big will ready. I mean we're awesome. I really going to go play. I thought it was a few spots. Ain't giving his dietary. Why don't do look see. I can say that apple is done with it. I pull up like nigga. Get you know good seats at the game. Koby recipes called member. Kobe come back after either tired and new up and she didn't go ahead. Do you think man you know. Drop forty on them niggers. I'm gonna be watching it family next to me. Shake them at the apple. Now's waimea appalachian saying we saw a need like a a big three. I need a big three join astra's soda closed up on you heard me. I was growing the sexy spot house ready to listen to something like dwelling and shit some. Bj chicago kid shit. Come on pause. I was ready for your grow music. That's what i associate with kangols. I wasn't that's the vibe. I thinking officially took my age. I i'm not saying. I think he's still forty sir. Got more gray hair than his beard than i earned the. Okay earned these. I got war stories. Nigga oh my god all right. We'll take a quick Musical break we'll come right back right now. We have a song by pearl And my man can so called moonlight with the song and we'll be right back at the break to finish up over the shoulder. We'll see piece yup making love blue flares to sunrise of mind their own year. Don't make love some knives joyrides summer breeze and joy thirty your eyes turn it in one nine one one some of these kids to me on one in how some trees in his car the women all right. Thank you for your pearl. Am i mad console for the moonlight traveling. Check that out. Check out to your per at also media sites taylor brown since you makes you listen to this song. Moonlight on all streaming services tear pearl was at a urban right. She was the first are bang. Tia per at the first fourth but season. Two premiere of bain. She was out her bank. Come back so good question. I would be s. b. Oh i don't know when. I when i feel inspired name when i feel financially inspiring i feel inspired by all in them to be inspired makes sense just moving. We've inspired not trying to like put all these things out. And it's all over the place when i feel inspire. Why put some out when i the order what it does. I'm happy with just building. The ship backup real talk. It was really good to see the episodes. Come out then. People were like repulsing them right like nice because you know we could do better social media content lebron saying that since we started speakeasy we ourselves just find us to what people do and just putting on cliffs up and they just show like exciting excited to be back in like welcomes back to the to the podcasting space. That was really excited. Practically precedents out to to put the on your page like yo when it's not gonna i like these be more junk one. Zero t s So but we back we back we back we back so you got any thoughts with tom. So timing today. So today's duffle question is today's tough question is about emotions. Do you do you allow yourself to feel them and die and do you allow yourself to feel them. I don forgot how well house. I did the first time i think that was it like. Do you have emotions. Do you have emotions. And ideally yourself to feel fill the i think the biggest trick that the patriarchy pooled on us was that somehow being emotional was like week or illogical right I am now that. I'm in my thirties. Tomtoms hitting towards your fifties now but not. I'm in my shirt. I have started to come up with like emotional clarity okay And this is like very thin. You remember this very recent will. Smith apologized jane. Hooper rank on the Fresh prince reunion reunion. Join and i remember watching the same. Just the two of them when they work on set and i was looking at thousand. Like wow what emotional control to both. Feel emotions to cry in front of this lady to be completely emotional but not reactive. Innocence of like anger so to answer your question. Tom time I am getting better at experiencing my emotions. I had a. I had my first client. Actually first client took his own life. Shit we'll stat as modified right. And i really sat on. Wake of bake would be motored tuesday after it happened. Not try to have a show. Couldn't get through cried. The whole motherfucker show it. Didn't it didn't help you know my mic. Stop working in the middle of the show. But regardless of that like i tried the whole show and then i was talking to the lady afterwards. I just had to let that shit out. Because i feel a certain way and i feel like repressing that repressed once and i put a hold on my wall that day you punched a hole in the wall. Yeah i haven't denison highschool bro and even know i was grieving innocence right but like such a small happened in my couch. Making my cows lake made a weird noise. I thought it was brought. I got up. I pushed the wall. And i looked to my hand and i was like damn. I think i might be saying like just like that boy. Still got exactly. Although i'm not. I'm not trying to invite waxed. I'm old in any way to to your point. Though tom tom do question. Yes gotcha got your term hard to follow that. I do experience emotions. And i think i've gotten to a place where i'm much better assessing them in in taking it all in honestly i think it's. It's a blessing to feel saying into feel. And if you have the ability. Or i believe i have the ability to be a little bit more fair in how us myself and reflect on things and experience hurt and allowed a really feel and try and cope with it in a healthy way. It really benefits me. i've taken up well before i even do the yoga. Yoga's been a big piece in terms of releasing meditation. Meditation across working out in general life for me assis- about expensing energy. That have bottled up in a lot. You know we don't like when i was just laying around on the couch shit gain weight and stuff like that like when you like pensive thinking about shit down on yourself and they should accumulates should manifest itself physically but even small things like if i'm really feeling emotionally get in a car and a night driving just driving five. Remember you saying you do that. Driving around four ninety five you know playing music that's going to help. Compliment have whatever emotion. I'm really trying to go through a in at least fail. I think that's out the nothing. Yeah like bima was saying like the. The point is to address it to address it in a way that's not gonna leave a lot of debris either. I'm not gonna take those emotions in trying cope with them on social platforms broadcast that were on or take them out on some before i was doing therapy up until like the pandemic started and then it just didn't feel like paying money to facetime nigger i feel even though it wasn't you know i should probably go back but The you know the things that i was able to work through before i stopped going to therapy. I really benefited me. And thank god. I was able to work through them before the pandemic seven. So it's been a number of things that have aided but yeah. I do feel motion. And i do acknowledge it but i think it's a blessing the good in the bed so i'm gonna be i'm gonna be vulnerable with for a moment right so i've actually been thinking about going therapy recently I feel like. I have a good handle on my emotions like for most of my life. I've allowed myself. I've allowed myself to feel them I joke around and say that. I was a crybaby as a kid right but as i've gotten older it's allowed me to be able to identify like yo matt when this happened. It made me angry or when this happened to me. I experienced loss. I was sad about it. You know what i'm saying. So it's a it's been it's allowed me to be able to identify and a deal with certain things as opposed to just like suppress For me i would say that. Yes i i can identify the motions. And i i definitely allow myself to feel them. Like five lost something near and dear to me. I'll take time to be saidan try. I'll try my best not to dwell in it. And then you know if i'm feeling like i have to talk about it. I have my mechanisms or have my people that i talked to so like. You know one mechanism is you know. If i'm in my head too much. I go for a walk. And then i've explained to my mom and my girlfriend like you know when i come back asked me what's going on right. I love the walk. The walk as big. He was just too. I think any way that the way that you can work things out with yourself in a way. That's not gonna cause a blow ups right in there going to regret and to expense physical energy. That's right it's always gonna be another one of my favorite mechanisms is also I guess this is My my personal way of defeating like the angry black man thing So a lot of times. I say like when i'm really upset and i wanna curse somebody out. I just start talking really proper An example of that is like a long time was going to quit a job and my manager frustrated me like she told me do some and then stood in the way of it and instead of me saying like the fuck out the way at work i just was like. You're impeding progress. And i you have to deliver it a certain type of way and is when you deliver it and they'll fuck. Did you just say to me is more like okay. You're processing it. I cannot walk away. So i mean that those are two of my movement that is an improvement. Then those are two of my mechanisms to get the fuck out of my way. I choose violence so we we discussed that. You're left jab may be a little slowing physical. Fill your physical might give up on yourself. That's why have to come up with these crawfish shit. I dare one athlete. But i'm not sure i'm that type of athletes since november. I don't know if i could say the same not athlete. Professional wrestling is new workouts. That we do every time i'm like. Oh shit woman who's like three months four months pregnant jail killing shit like i'm like. Oh you struggling showed you had to give me a pep talk once. These people have been doing this show for like years article fair enough for show. The pregnant shortly gave you the pep talk nine. And i was another show. He was also like well versed in fire. They all been on. Let's get to the tools of the trade tools of the trade are your physical non physical aesthetic. Whatever tools whatever resource that you need to get through the week Like to give our tools of the trade to close the show. Follow by our social. Media's i'll go first my tools of the trade. this week is clarity. I love to provide clarity. Like i love to provide good information. Good advice i feel. Like clarity is a is an of constant communication transparent communication and oftentimes. We're walking around with assumptions of what people were thinking or how people were thinking. When simply simple questions for clarification could take you a long way to to reaching in completing a goal tool to trade and you can always find me. It'd be more brown at imo brown or be more authentic dot com. Make sure you check out who he can be. We be role. Yeah every tuesday and thursday on instagram live soon to be twitch trillo or whatever snow hill yes. My tool of the trade would be very similar to be most We're a physical sense deep. Clean your house. Clean your personal space Spent the past two weeks. Deep cleaning the house i'm saying like wet vac and scrubbing floors old mopping all types of shit clinically gave gave gave stuff way to goodwill spring cleaning dumped. Took some shit to the dump dismay legal dumping and a few mall It'll be okay karate trash facilities. yeah allegedly let. He should've gone. But isn't it really like you is the little things especially being coming out of this pandemic or this quarantine period that we've been whereas like you're in the same space all the time way more than used to you get used to it to a certain degree and you know you might be a clean person. You might clean your house. But there's like little stuff and i think it's important you know now's the time of the year to really do that. Deep cleaning your personal space. And i think it could manifest itself in other ways in your life afterwards. You know so yeah deep. 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"Man today's tale story. Would you think time you won't. You won't give a little. Brief over you or your. I only really know the basics. And from what i understand chapelle just kinda came out social media when it was like yo everybody stop watching the show so they can give me give me my publishing back cyber thing and precise we listen. Listen that's right. That's that's that's that's the what i know. If there's any fine details you might have to provide that. Yeah i mean Today shapiro situation would happen. Was we found out about six months ago when viacom released dais appel show on. Hbo and net flicks. I think comedy central sold the original. Ip to viacom viacom owned Comedy central we've found out through daesh appel that basically didn't get paid for the last season of chapelle show that fifty million dollars. We keep hearing about never actually having whatever happened the show so i never gave him any money so they shapiro says he never made any money from the chapelle show in the worst part about it is is that like the name the chapelle show is held in perpetuity universally Infinitely through viacom father's name. He put it on the show. Chapelle show so now he couldn't use it but now we find out a couple of days ago we find out that Daesh appel and viacom have come to some sort of agreement basically getting paid for his content again and for the first time that i can think of the creative one right. That's why. I mean prince and have met mysteriously died before they got there. So this is. This is definitely victory. Pretty prints would be proud has definitely be pro personnel densely brown and so we definitely wanna give flowers. Today's appeal while we can. I don't know what this weird noises coming from. It's not recording so it just might be my headphones here that i'd hire to do what is that. That's why i'm moving away is it. My fault could be your phone. It is your vip. Is it a proximity to the this year. I've i've heard those type of i hate that. What does that are we at twenty twenty. One we can't was that why you can't use the your phone on the plane. Why speaking of planes did you see that. Did you see the footage engine blown up while they were flying. Yes tom tom. I saw that. I was blowing up. Yes the engine was on fire. All actual footage of yeah. Okay i think is What is it delta airlines united. Of course it would be delta. We're going to say delta. Yeah if we're wrong. there's no surprise. Be factually accurate for all in the brain. Leila where can we go with delta. Right would definitely go with other But yeah oh my fellas know what. I did have got to introduce what we are. Well i mean they'll figure it out they will but anyway welcome to the over. The shoulder. podcasts. Is your chance to eavesdrop on three professional craters. We discussed the sources happenings aspirations from the creative industry from film to production to music to co. Join us each week as we push the envelope on the possibilities of the great industry i host for this week. Of course this lovely voice that you hear right now is your main man. Two hundred grand beam. O'brien what's up y'all don. Hey you got your applause. I was trying to get it together but are we ready. We back in the game. Maybe course right here. I got my main man. Tom time introduce yourself. This is thomas the great you know. I'm just out here. Facilitate civil tighter so we got i guess today we do ya introduce yourself gas plea. Some some people are heart people. Call me j. I prefer whatever the best is right on. The new bank bar came ready with the bar. It is you know what time it is right. Time for the word of verde that day friday thirty days where today is brought to you by dictionary dot com. Actually have it up here We use this word today to try to expand vocabulary to see if spartacus can be smarter and so. Today's the day is polyglot polyglot. Or i'm sorry. I'm dyslexic polyglot. Let me let me hear. Why visit polyglot. What's it mean re-definition jr where we where we why don't swipe swipe it don't swipe. Why does why holly polyglot you don't handle definition and let me. We know the active. Yeah that is something we go here. We young where we around speaks writes or reads in a number of languages. A mixture or confusion of languages Probably got no no. I mean i speak black. Well paper i was about to say. Yeah english anybody. Those are two different languages. They are they are. What is it ave african american vernacular english. Whatever go it's right. American vernacular english you know. That's the official official language of america. Isn't the language of america. Yo yeah fisher unofficial link because you know unofficial the official or the unofficial official language depending on how you use that distributive property we using talking so fast right overhead you'll be For show hosted far to forget you and the bank. No you're not in the bag. We knew of the show. We have a new section in the show. Oh do we do here. It's called this week and creativity this weekend. Creative this week and creativity like and you. Do you got anything. I got three examples up here on the board. You gotta think off the top of your head you're section. We figure it out. We word about anything on the top right now. We can creativity this week in creativity creativity now. I got three examples all right all right. We missed last week but last week came out great film judas in the in the black jews did. Y'all see wife have not seen it year. You what one of the homeys. Actually the style Style daniel kalou everybody. I kinda give at midnight trying to check. But he was in the movie he was in the movie. He wasn't in the movie. His us funding talking about i. You might have the facial. Hair could be used. He was in my bed. Do you see it's like when you make out recognize bruce right now. How could you forget my bedtime. So i i apologize. Do you have any. Do you have any immediate reaction from seeing a man in a black messiah not the black priests my immediate reaction. I was a beautiful young. My only thing about it is. I think it's kind of maybe the public opinion on it. Just you know. Seeing fred hampton through the eyes of a snitch. You know could do that. Point of view. Which is i mean. We see we know the you know if you didn't now you do know the story rather Willie o'neill right right right. So obviously he was president. He you know he saw things and things like that. But for the sake of a pic of fred hampton. It would have been nice to kind of see for at hampton. Exactly see him develop into who he was. Because we're talking about my was assassinated at twenty one one. Twenty-one ages of you know his high school years sixteen seventeen. those were his Potent years up until his death. So what would have been nice to see. I mean they they they. They dived into it with him in his His partner little little little hints of it little season season Because they did bond bonded over malcolm x. Speeches and stuff like that. So that was his niece malcolm x. Peaches so they kind of you know. Play with it a little bit but other than that. No it was it was. It was beautiful. It was nice. I was it twice right. You know right it's really digest it I do think that the assassination scene was. i mean. It is probably just being a stickler but it was fine for what it was just to get to be even more violent than what was displayed. Probably would have been. Even you know would have walked away with a little bit more angry than that but other than that. Yeah it was beautiful. It was not you seattle shocking. Shall cain stanfield columbia and dominique fish. Back i thought was phenomenal film. She's a beast. I enjoyed it. I watched it twice. I watch it back back back back. Yeah that makes you. You know you gotta watch it again. You really got to watch. It had to run a back I love to. I love win. Films like this. Enter into the two black creative atmosphere because then we get the have trinity conversations about revolution vs reforming although the trans. Don't always stick to real nigga show up to the train conversation and the drought jim. So if you're smart enough you black enough and you cooler. Nothing you know you really into the intellectual scene. Start looking at some of the behind the scenes photos that was happening behind the scenes facts. That were happening For the black. I'm sorry judas in the black before we go off often models gigi right. I want to shout one of the homeys. Aaron ramey he actually is the one who styled daniel for the for the for the. Oh yeah yeah so. I just learned this today so i would be remiss if i didn't mention this while we're talking about is danita hoping danny i wouldn't say danny's only but those are the homes from philly. They used to come down here and do parties. And in lafayette heyday type of thing. Lord lord gear we go they both run up to forty but anyway that ain't right every time all stop play we may. Hey man i'd like to say. I have age nicely. I have fermented like one. Guess if you don't know my so that's what's beautiful nope back as beautiful all right We do have we have another segment of the next segment. Another another brand we got you know what i'm saying met my come. You might not come so diverse. Let's try this week's money move by the week money. Moving into the money move of the week just the all year. Oh yeah you're talking about talking about. I don't know if you've heard it. But i saw not your sorry. You think sound time it's not. It's not your tapping your question. My bad bro. But we do have breaking news right here. If you didn't know did you see this time time. Jay z sold fifty percent of his ownership or fifty percent of the ace of spades Brand to lvmh heard about this one. Do we see how much money than when i saw a report that i saw a read the new york times. They said that there weren't numbers. The numbers weren't being stipulated at this point But i did see something. It was a twitter. It was a tweet tweets. Count the tweet. I'm about to read to. I don't know would you. I'm gonna just continue to say what i saw. Which was they said. Legend or apparently was for two hundred fifty million to two hundred fifty million. That's what i guess what you got to okay so unofficial from some unofficial news like that so in two thousand fourteen body for thirty million and ace of spades itself costs thirteen dollars to make and his soul for two twenty five at wholesale so that literally is a ninety four percent profit margin. I learned. I learned that through this news. Have yet to drink any. I'm keeping had that expensive set myself but holy shit and all right. It'll that's what i learned. But that's how right that's good business. I mean honestly with a lot of stuff like that you just you just don't want to know them type of facts. Because the nike clothes you pay two hundred dollars four probably may for. I don't know a dollar. So i mean i just found it interesting. That's so i'm definitely not negatively and shout out to the bro for for two hundred and twenty five million dollars for two hundred twenty two dollars campaign that cost you thirteen thousand wholesale. It's not even like the full semi breaking in lafayette boy. Well this might be our last time here. With debris jaw not bland. Make sure everything's just base. Everything is all right. But yeah i That's a hundred twenty. Five million dollars usd used reported to fifth time you said to twenty-five probably in the range we've talked about different parts of the deal. Now would you talk about. He was talking about like that. Whole deals made it that right. I was saying that. Like i learned bottles. Yeah ok the basic level at wholesale is to twenty. Yeah we'll write a bottle itself. Yeah okay five dollar wine from target. I mean it's a me. If i can afford it at that time i will support it but like right now. I'm good. we're five dollar one agency. I'm going to get into my bias bag right. Wait just a mobile home. Evanger right quick whole a and and yeah whole evanger. That was a nice way to put it whole vendor. I quick the next segment you know. It's whole man like did you make good business. Good business Continue to climb up the ladder You know we're talking about basquiat billionaire. Hove now though. It would have been nice to retain his one hundred percent ownership of acis bays those those cocky bars in there. He does in and stuff like that but none of us. But i feel like that's first of all. I feel like that's the name of the game when you do stuff like that like you come up with the idea. You're not necessarily like you. Don't want to retain ownership but you definitely want to sell it for way more than you got it for. And he would like to twenty five thirty that that's why eighty six hundred. The price Was more than six times the price. Yeah and that's what you do right. You create hold off you. Elevate it till up until because they said that negotiation. Start in two thousand nineteen. So we're talking about a two year deal in. He held out for an to make site right. The almost eight is a whole bar. He's he says on a three kings Rick ross and dr dre talking about concert venue rather but as it pertains to his champagne he like you know. I'm hold now for three to seventy five. I just might agree. Got allegedly to fifty so. That's good okay. Good because i can see that is good business it is. I mean it is good business. Yeah what i think you might. You might even start the start. Because i'm thompson they're going to you because i don't think anybody is quiet as kept but the elephant in the room that he did business with the same company that allows somebody to slander him. Just the christoph. Oh right which is why a spades came to be is literally came to be off the off of that right with the result of the today. Don't help me all right. Because i set you guys say something before i get to deep no i just. I don't know it's interesting. I suppose the lvmh may this deal one day As i understand it they they. They aren't financing Fancy at the moment and twenty and five money elsewhere and then got valued at two billion. So i don't know it's just it's interesting when all the the timing of these things sometimes right. But i digress me not let me not hold you getting getting into the you come out. Why don't we did not like i'm over here. Being you up when we get to the right segment segment. Anyway as i find a pivotal to constantly investigate which inspires confounded disrupts creativity each week. I explore one creative concept constructive creative and allies foundations in hopes of expanding the discovery of the creative process this week. Gotta talk about something that's been happening during the quarantine in his kindly kindly come up to head in a wonderful capitalist bump a socialist planted a bomb in my head in his. Fuck me up. Jr fucking socialism is fucking. The eboni blamed dr jared ball. Gimme a second. You heard the big news. We just told you about. Jay z right right. Two hundred fifty million dollars allegedly alleged allegedly allege it could be two seventy five. You could have got the full. You feel me we'd go. There's a lot of things we don't know and we may never know right. So there's that news. I want to put a pin in there for a second. Did you see before cam. Newton gathered by that child. Did you see the previous cam. Newton headline that. He spent millions of dollars on high fashion for close that he only wore once. Yeah i did see the headline i into it but so i have an interesting point now that you mention it right. Don't you still my point tom. Tom i'm going to deep. I feel you but we would be. This kind of is relevant. All right so i watched Athlete podcast right and can was guest. don't wait you gotta room point. I'm not kidding. They're getting about to say the same thing we were. Don't get there yet. Because that's the whole point tab. Tom go While we record seeing a gentleman. By the name of dr. Jared bala encourage you to go look it up He entered my intellectual space so he wrote a book called the myth in propaganda of black buying power the myth and propaganda a black buying power near that number where they say. oh black. buying power is like one point nine one point three triggers. Whatever well he takes this book and he says that's a bunch of bullshit there's a bunch budget bullshit and he proves it that different ways and i'll let you discover that on your own But wow discussing this a couple of socialists gun to my head about the redistribution of wealth. And how maybe chasing. The billionaire bag with a millionaire bag is not advantageous towards the liberation of black people. You follow me. So far come on The biggest members of the black piece right in part of the part of that movie. Fred have care down. Murphy said in real life but i'm gonna say character in this situation but the spirit of fred hampton says. You can't solve capitalism black capitalism. We can't be liberated through the same system. That is causing us oppression. What are the trick. Bags of capitalism is that there must be a high person for the be a low person be winners in order for that to be losing. I gotta be honest with you. I am a capitalist. You've seen the monopoly right now. I literally got now muddy signs on the back of my back right now as if it was slapped around like slapped into me like threw a whip is machine but the more you look at the history the more you realize that capitalism especially if the black folks is like oxymoronic every time we get a little bit close to little economic economic equity or equality are wall street burned down or we go fight the war and everybody comes back and buys a house and goes to concert gi bill but somehow is missing black folks. And i don't mean to give you archaic examples. Let's just let's just keep it. Real uber will happen robinhood him. I'm not no stock. As i. But i know that you should be able to keep buying stocks with the price is going up right. But somehow robin hood allowed you not to buy that. Knowing that black folks malacca people are the people one robinhood trying to get into this financial gain. We can look back just a little bit further. We see the housing crisis over that. Two thousand seven two thousand eight thousand nothing like that. Subprime loans were sold to black people at an incredibly criminal. No predatory predatory disproportionate rating every time. Black people get a little bit closer economic equity some major happen. Goes i go out to saito's zach worth so we know one one hand. Black capitalism will not solve the oppression of capitalism on black people. We also know on the other hand that we cannot save ourselves or consume ourselves into economic freedom. So when i hear news of jazy making two hundred and fifty to seventy five. Mata got the whole three or lvmh. And i hear cam. Newton spending millions of dollars on closing lane whereas once what am i supposed to do with that information three weeks ago. I would've said cam. Newton was wasting money. But what does it matter. If you can't save your wear consume your way to liberation three weeks ago. I would've said holes. Becoming a quarter of a billionaire was a great move of black folks but then again if there are winners their losers right and there's tokenism with capitalism. He can do it then. I can do it. A socialist talked me up. I don't conflict. Would what are we supposed to do with this information. Because it's the same. It's the same coin. Different sides millions of dollars of close. You don't spend no more two hundred fifty million dollars on luxury items that we probably can't afford. What do we do. And that's me going to give you time to think. What are we supposed to do. So i feel like much much much like everything else in the world. You're not necessarily like take the take in and then like repeat the same exact steps to follow it at what matches your you and your speed so like somebody gave. You might doesn't mean necessarily mean you've gotta follow it. So i mean you take it for what it is and you walk you walk your same walked out. I can't spend a million dollars on thrift. Closed well you could. But i mean i could you know over the course of my life but So you know you find your own ways and means of making your hustle right right about to bring up something about cam newton. We'll you about the jumping right so you watch the athlete. Podcasts and i want to watch 'cause kim's interesting cat and then you know very recently there was the whole altercation but a young man. But so what i learned from it was that cam has been working on a hat line for the past few years and literally. Most of his wild fits that he was wearing was to promote that in a sense so he got for lack of better words very priceless marketing because people were talking about his shit for like the past two years literally right so in a sense i looked at it and i thought it was brilliant smart. Because they're gonna talk like why don't they talk about something. I'm working on something. That's coming to life for the fact that he premiered it or like kind of graze the subject with it. I found that to be interesting. Yeah that's along with all the new england and all like the whole conversation like what i appreciate it on from is what i appreciate from the show like. They don't just talk about football. They don't just talk about the man you talk about like the whole the whole package. That's the When i was doing research for this topic on cam. Newton found i. Didn't i didn't watch the whole podcast. But i found his clip on him talking about his transition from 'cause he's no longer during the millions of dollars on On these exclusive brands under these these these big name brand brands right so in this this same interview but another interview. He was talking about how he was to become more of nic's leg. You light drizzle necas data. Go out in fine. The gyms Taylor at up to give new. I think the same interview tailored up. Give it a little more exclusivity and a little more a price to and then resell it. So he wants to become more creative in that sense. And i appreciate that the to the same effect cam. Newton has been broccoli's foghorn leghorn cars for the last three years foghorn leghorn. You better be goddamn right. If i wanna fancy hat. Why going bros. rose. Kim news company easy. So you're right to marry. Jackie i believe or something masuko masuko but to the point of the the socialism that we're just talking about i think the difference between cam newton and you kind of just brought it up. Tom tom the difference between cam. Newton being million dollars close to get attention so that he can sell more. Hats is a almost feel like. That's where i'm for as more honorable way not fly. Desktop more genuine way is to create a product market product sell a product right especially a product that people can have access to imagine. These hats will be two hundred twenty five dollars owing cam. I just don't know they're going to be thousands of dollars. They're handmade hand. You know taylor would have But the in my mind. I'm like only people are going to be able to afford these argue teammates while going the opposite direction. But i i forgot the the that element. So yeah they probably will be super. You know what. I'm saying like hat's aren't cheap. They're not cheap mahathir definitely. Would you rather spend a thousand dollars on the hat that you have for lifetime or two twenty five on a bottle that you're gonna split with four other necas anyway. I'm not drinking a whole campaign either in all capital letters. Yeah is there opposite. See i because i mean i'm the type of negative at says. Well if i'm paying this. If i'm paying this amount of money i'm going to be wearing it like you know i'm getting my wife out of it So thousand dollar hat didn't yes. Hypothetically speaking wear it one hundred times. Yeah right saying equate the math out. You've gotten your wear and then it'll over time. It's going to continue to be vintage. Or what have you and age. Yes that's all of that stuff and then now we're talking about champagne. Two hundred twenty five dollars champagne. I might be a little bit more stingy. Because if i'm if if i'm paying our high we're we've all been this way where it's been us just paying for something that other people are going to. You know get to talk gravitate towards But yeah i mean just slowly paying two hundred twenty five dollars for a bottle of champagne here. I'm probably gonna drink most of it and then let yagi you know the sippy city number actually three hundred dollars or three hundred dollars either way. If you round up you know. I can't drink two glasses of champagne crystal just to fuck how delicious if i drink is under our really drink champagne like that if i do like i'm bringing it in mosa so i don't know how bad their champagne would be if he gets. Moore's houston well. that's the thing. Hope it with you know capitalism consumerism. You know duty as well. They all like to broke fancy combinations in their of their product so they say that if you want to experience if you have a good time then do that so if you want to throw mainly are selling the lifestyle exactly right right right. The negative make orange juice now towns. I'll make some more soon sandy. So you don't be orange juice going to give you a good time. That's the facade. They'll give us mad gasman fetus. I guess man We i'm stuck with those talks. I appreciate jaw helping with those. Yeah we're going to check out a song by local artist and then when we come back we're going to have more over the soda. Podcasts over the show s i'll go to your yes sir. I'm still pulling up a song. I think it's my father always going to be. Oh goodness oud long. Hey she you back and sneed may conversation trying to be facing up to me to do move deal. You stan know. Just watch Cnn class a the and no shamma star me back and say would you phone and no who house bohemian caras type of. yes sir. My managed fresh out of bohemian caverns. Wanna use trees greatest. Mike robinson mixture iago check him out of michael d robinson all social media platforms. He's got a fundraising initiative happening right now to feed some of the homeless and food insecure here in washington. Dc check out. The single know what is going to be on the album. That's coming out in a few months called love story. Thank you mike roberts of lettuce use that song right here on over the show. We are right back again We got three careers in the house myself. Time time jr We are talking about black creativity. I might a rush through the black creativity. Sex and what else is going on creativity. This week men. Oh well i mean you know and speaking about bio-pics previously prior We got a billie holiday. Biopic hulu Friday isn't friday friday Called the united states versus billie holiday direct by daniels starring andre in her debut. performance Picking up steam and all the awards award ceremonies and stuff like that. She's already nominated for golden globe Yes oh speaking of golden globes i. I'm a. I'm gonna get back down. You know black creativity lee daniels. We know lee. Daniel's the butler precious I mean his. I love. I love his. Excuse me love. Love is a strong word for his movies more than i prefer his shows some shows. He's done he's done empire empire right by right And then the spinoff which was star school. No no you know why i feel you go. Why do what. That's one of the movies that brought me and my girlfriend together. i mean. our show's star. Yes that's why has the sentimental. Not saying great bonding over is that we literally okay star the star when i saw actually when i saw daniels name i got a little nervous. Yeah because he's got she got for one of my favorite icon dame. No no no no. Another one of my dame is one of my right. monique money. Gay and aimed dash doj money. I think he paid eventually pay. But dame dame was the dame was hot like three meal to. I'd be three to money bro. I'm the one that funded your career precious. And then that went through the roof. Dying is not one percents right. Say beat the molly has yeah. I did all right. ain't seen rattlers sets. They pay thirty five thousand dollars to make the movie. But anyway all right so the golden globe information i was gonna give you is that The la times wrote an article pretty much saying that the whole. I don't even know what the name of the group that had like. Does the golden goal. Hollywood foreign press. Okay yeah i thought it was h. Fpa i mean. Some of them are friends. Well either way long story short. They have pretty much like the they're supposed to be like let's say critics that like analyze and blah blah blah. Pretty much They've kinda picked out their own reporters and made them part of the board illegally. And that's why random as films get all these nominations and mentions like for example. I forget what movie were all talking about. But like emily in paris that nobody's watching is getting all this cloud when there's quality movies a lot of quality movies that were made by us and others that has gotten no love Did any love at all. And it's like for me. This goes to show. Why if you talk to certain artists like they'll tell you. I don't care about grammy's i don't care about these golden globe. That's not why i'm doing this. I'm doing this for my own achievement doing this to portray a particular image for my people so oh another thing that we kind of know to be true. We don't necessarily know the facts. We feel it. That sums off and the truth has now come out in a sense be taught globe though one. I'll be honest. I you wore seasons. That's my shit this my shit i watch you know. I grew up watching. Watch all the movies that may or may not be nominate throughout the years So i just watched promising young woman. That's promising him without about Short answers first foremost about a woman. Okay let me start their rice. I let me start right there. I'm not you know movies. So it's about a woman she gets revenge She's trying to kind of find the the real reason behind her friend's death somebody. I think she was drove. Her friend was wrote driven to suicide because she was raped or something like that in college. So it's just her friends. She lost herself after her friend passed away so she was. Just you know sticking a move and still live with their parents and stuff like that but she sought out to get revenge with like all of the friends friends Throughout the movie and stuff like that. It's kinda like it's pretty. It's a pretty good movie if you're white woman who's into feminism. Right familiar. Yeah i mean it's pretty good moving nonetheless right But i'm just saying that's that's one of those movies There's another movie. There's there's a few other movies up in the air that i've watched over the course of twenty twenty last twenty twenty minute give it gives us a little rock What i watched You guys watch the walking dead. I never wash. But i do. Not dude glenn glenn even gang. I think i'm saying it wrong but Yeah so he he got a. He has an independent movie. That came out Called mun monari missionary and That's with a twenty four. Who who don't miss. Don't i washed on the nicholas cage. Yeah willie's wondering was one. That was eight twenty four. Yeah that was pretty nice was they. Don't give you too much details about it but it's pretty good. Yeah but Yeah i watched that on friday. That was pretty good. It's about a family moved from Career japan and to like the boondocks live in like the outskirts of a poem of arkansas. They moved to arkansas. So they're just making a living and stuff like that but yes speaking of like h h f. pa. They actually awarded that film or gave it a nomination of The best international film but it was filmed in the us little details like that. There's like no but the firm is in english. Well i'm sorry some of the films in english. Obviously some of it is in japanese. They have the subtitles and stuff like that there. But it's not a foreign made found his form when you headquarters is in germany. Who's at eighteen hundred Now yeah all the hollywood foreign press based on your news somewhere over here in europe german. So it's foreign to whom the film's foreign to whom germany Well that's the case in every single movie that it's made in the us or us based to them as foreign. Yeah yeah yep. I feel like a correct me if i'm wrong since you're actually watching these workshops but i feel like when they pick those international films. It's like you said it's usually a foreign language. Yeah like banish or something like for instance The movie that the want the that took a right. Everything by store I mean parasite parasite right. That wasn't that wasn't that was awesome. I don. I don't believe if nominated for the golden globes as far as best foreign film goes and might have. I could be wrong. I'd have to go back and look But yeah that went from even if it did be even if it was nominated for best international film it went from being nominated as best international film at the golden globes winning best picture and best picture gross. Okay okay deal and that was filmed. Obviously that was filmed overseas and such like that But if you look at found that it just has a cast of Japanese japanese people but it was filmed in the us. What's other than the cast. What's really foreign about the film and the language that they're speaking for the bulk of the movie you know. I see what you're saying but we we are foreign. Yeah the american not will black people from our. But yeah we're foreign to discussion for another podcast jeremiah. People it'd be interesting. It'd be interesting if the if the oscar nominated their movie for four film because the academy is in san francisco right so then that would be strange. Seven japanese dudes in the movie based in ohio. And it's an international film year. That would be strange. Yeah i'd have to figure like how these decisions are made as we all do because every time these things come out they're head scratchers. Yeah absolutely literally. But as far as as far as black creativity goes just lou. February twenty six united states versus billie holiday is a black movie coming out this friday. Yeah hulu march twenty six. What did i say is if you will so yeah. I'm sorry. i'm about to watch finance friday nice creativity. We might have missed the angelo. Di all my line right there. Yeah all the they announced who's gonna be at his concert just as buildup is amazing. You guys got so. I feel like it's almost going to be like A revival of the soul querying type. Yes that's that's definitely sure to happen. The has definitely should happen. And no doubt it's like the gills jasmine and his past feels like it's only right. Yeah i definitely think that is going to happen. That's what i was. Erica by do's raphael's a d- Who else 'cause they those guys. Right there erica. Common might show up for quick cameo again or something Got maxwell showing he'll bring lauren who yeah. I wonder if lorna show up show up. Come on bro so up. Don't play man. i'm not plan. I feel like it's better. If there's an element of surprise there is no announcement right. And then she's the bonus right right. That's what i'm saying like. Don't hold her standing. Lauren hill showing up anywhere on time at that. Come on man. i've been through a few. What youtube rabbit holes and like lauren has lived a very like interesting. Or i suppose painful life like a mochis life right. Eighty angelo low key. Low wander onto maximov. That's what that's more kneel is just full of grief and pain and sorrow. Yeah jesus but yeah i got. I got a strong hunch that we're going to be seeing a lot of our neo soul rb favorites legends legends. Come saturday on a sneaky tip. Because that's his baby. I really feel like angie stone. Because she doesn't get enough flowers she'll be there. I would like to think so and we might get hurt little song. You know her favorites in their rather than on. Yeah yeah don't remember the name it does it. Does your mob black that. Good one yeah. I'm excited i'm excited. I'm really excited for it. I'm really i really would versus doing too. I saw a couple of miles couple of mine. Marketing friends like they got upset when they saw the versus seemingly sold out in nfl. And we're doing these per pro. Did right that was. I didn't really pay attention. Avi i haven't really but it was like i didn't i mean i guess i got it. They were talking trash to each other. And then watching highlights okay. What it is. Yeah i thought it was like the idea and like you said some of them were what disgruntled about them. Selling my marketing friends were like oh versus opposed to be pure for the black. Ooh and for the music and how could they sell out in a fell safe now. Everybody's selling out today so aside still related versus done. Did you know that e forty has wine here. It's been out for like longer than people you know because all things twitter like things that were out for years can be brought day. I'm learning now. That is definitely been out for years. Yeah yeah yeah like. That man is booming. When they said it's sixteen percent like he he's really done this thing with the research and they said that they wanna have you talking like forty. That's probably had him dancing in the very right. Right right right. He was he was sipadan. Sipadan joints but yeah and i'm definitely trying to. They said you can't find it nowhere. It's been sold out now. I mean. I'm not surprised i go to my my spots and see what's up because you know that's that's where i got to snoop dogg wine my local to local liquor stores out. Yeah i mean yeah. Nobody nobody out here. That's it easy fine right. He's if nobody waldorf when was Randy wine there was a reason there was a day. They black people were buying all these products in the summertime. June right couldn't find a nearest anywhere on twitter. I couldn't find that anywhere. Pg can't go to mojo pg and it's uncle nearest it makes that makes all the sense in the world does make sense. It doesn't make sense down. Yes sir question for me. Thoughtful question after now. Have a tough question today. What you gotta have a question Nah i mean for me today. I'm shouting out ricardo dish on the veranda. I'm wearing right now. That's all i got. Forty to black owned back down from around away. His new on raw on one accord as far as that. The chuckles go right. But you mean would. I don't know what what you chuckling i. Don i circle. I'm my that the on the podcasts. Already to lack of dafa question yeah. I thought that's not laughing at you. Just watch your sean okay. so the story on the podcast. But i'm going. I'm on the internet. And i'm on instagram. I see the ricardo rashaan has to say to black hoodie. Came out of my fire. Says yellow my shoes fire. I gotta say it out loud. I give me one of these ricardo desha and sweat shirts and lady the house. I'm like yo lady. Do you want where these ricardo. The sean sweaters sweatshirts. And she was like who. And i was like ricardo to shaw and she was like show that nigga face and i was like i don't know his face i just know a sweatshirt and i was like oh so i'm putting to emit cart saying to into my saved my state google information. She's like oh ricardo. Sean is my ex. He'll my grandma money and i was like. Oh not os my grandma some money. Oh no it was not known. So i was like i was ordered or not so i was like so. You don't want what shirts no he nice. You get my grandma. I want to support the brothers. Obey your own. Grandma was money. Not i mean you know they got gotta do to get to get to where they gotta get to assist more so like. I can't walk around my own house wizard on from. I didn't tell you the story time. I don't remember ya. That's my whole act. I saw her whole ex. Well well yeah mean she look. Great grades only makes out. There is that He makes a nice product. But i can't walk around the career with his shirt on. Nah you say two black dollar state. My lady grandma houses in foreclosure foreclosure hugger. Okay okay straight. But i just thought that was interesting in. Thank you tom. Although you know we need to fill time for this bike ass you had no had no thoughtful question. You couldn't fake what. Not at the moment. I have one. Okay thank you appreciate you. I'm not going to steal it from as a beta bit ignorant. But you know it's still okay. So why when black people you know have funerals right. This is a question that probably comes up already. Taken the black community right. Why when we have funerals posts reception our when when knowingly we know the president has weighed probably was from a dietary some diabetes right. Okay we turn around and have enjoyed the same food celebrate their life. That just killed them. I can go ahead of time you. I had no. I'm still eating food that he's speaking ignorant. I mean yeah. I mean i am too but is this something that really you know the actual answer. I mean because it's something that probably won't change ever unless you know somebody decides innovator pulls up with the vegan food exactly we get two phases from our relatives and stuff like that. what v what. That can't even spell vegan first off that seems like a vegan marketing problem. Okay they need to change some shit up trying to get with the kit with the flavorful in the sofa. Vegan soundbite even sound like healthy. It just sound white for sound. Like ain't got somebody made out of cauliflower. Selling put himself on it. I know thoughtful question so called to answer your question. Yeah i real quick. Just you know the But vegans right but they drink water. We drink water right. There's no substitute to water right. But that's a habitat. Oh i see what you did their habitats. He said what they don't. We know abbott. He talked about the animal aspect of it. They don't want to mess with anything that has to do with animals but they drink water which is officious appetite type with the remix. Maybe delivery cohesive as it should go back to the other question though you have a terrible relationship with food as we do definitely do. We have numbers of there. Like it is is crazy. That black people will eat we Would you say it's painful. It's trauma trauma. Okay that's all right. It's drama so because because all of our celebration moments probably Surround food is sort sunday table. Definitely church thanksgiving thanksgiving food at the hauser etc. All these things are all these things are prerequisites to survival. We do these things. We have these big meals. These community meals because is based on survival And so it doesn't like the cause of death is a relevant. It'd be like if if somehow like driving in mass and driving. Carpools was our way to fix trauma than it would look ridiculous to go in carpool at the. We saw somebody from a car crash. But it's the same. It's essentially the same concept right. Yeah one hundred percent. I knew the answer to that is no no no no. It's one of those comedic questions for the sake of comic relief. It's like when you look in hindsight. We turn around and eat the things i just killed. Oncle charles who. I'll go charles. I miss a missile black ankle. Check but i was just to just to. I will give you four dollars right now if you can if you can spit for bars. Word for word from crosswords crossroads not the hook not to hook. Not not i i. I'm gonna miss everybody. That's that's the brees hooked right the charles. How how real style. Lafayette your out. How on my own. Because he he given out at man cost me money. You only give me two dollars for this. I appreciate it thanks. I agree but it might. It sounds like you did so as a contract. He's a he's our honorary guests who hasn't appeared who lafayette. We gotta guess hosts. Guess oh yeah we gotta get lafayette to come on. He's the. I don't know what you call him right over the bridge known as vice president of the breeds. Theo wait a minute alita leader. Abris wait a minute. Charles xavier debris. What's your title breath. Hoc- ought bridge on show. Harjo say what did they question funeral. What did they eat. Adopted outside Deduct tip you Water celery yeah. It was consensual avocado right. There wasn't cauliflower. No no recording to dr sav creation of man yau. It's always looked at it like the white broccoli. When i was younger right then i will take it. I'm like you don't taste like anything like at least broccoli. You can kind of you know. Put stuff and give it that flavor when you can't do that with cauliflower no at all big dogged my a might hold on. Y'all y'all talking might come the right here. Talk to talk to the people where we're sorry. I'm late hey man. It's arrived on time. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Yeah actually this is not quite african time. This is like an hour and fifteen minutes later right. Africans is like two to three hours so it's been a long day so window charro libya things business business. Take care fellas. I would on the beltway guinea back topics back. I really just want. oh tom. Tom didn't have no Awful question question up stitching. Jr saved me. It's all good. Though some say it again. I said i'm sharper. Pull up. we have we talk. I guess we just review. We talked get some thoughts. We talked about I guess one of the big stories today was jay z selling fifty percent of spades to. Lvmh what are your thoughts. I mean i think is on brand in the success story. Everybody knows the christoph story had a You know everybody was rocking crystal really public crystal back in a day. Early thousands Was excuse me miss someone else. Records clearly pointed out but they made some pretty a disparaging remarks and economists In regards to hip hop champion a bright right lotta. Racial undertones overtones so to c. j. Who many i know you got your problems with jay to see him. Take a brand. I think the numbers are crazy. Something like at first. They were doing like sixty a bottles a month or sixty k. Bottles is like c. c k. Bottles a month before he purchased The aces space hormone parent company. Rianne by the time he's sold fifty percent off half a million of And then like things thousand percent markup. The bottles costs thirteen dollars a unit to make in bulk and their wholesale for two twenty. Yeah so it's ninety. Three seventy profit margin. Yeah so anyway is good business. That's exactly what jay said. It's good business is good but now i agree You know. I've got my problems with hope. You got proud to intellectually agree with them. But that's okay. I think it's great business as well. It's it's honestly hilarious. Wouldn't say hilarious but that she disagreed with him so much. Considering that you wanted to biggest husbands i noticed. Ask seven jobs and shakes. Joe chill yo too but yeah but that's what i was saying when i when i was going to deep words i like one hundred percent and get the business but like a socialist has gotten to my head and kinda fucked me a little bit. How so like. I'm i'm like where's that money going of the black dollar. It's not even it's not even that is now a more like on my own like my socialism tip like if if consumption doesn't save us in saving doesn't save us as far as the capitalistic tip. Goes then what am i supposed to do with the winds of this fifty percents sale. And what am i my other examples. Where am i supposed to do with the billions of dollars that cam. Newton threw away on nazari spent on clothes daily. Were one time in the scale. Love how supposed to celebrate these individuals on a capitalist scale knowing that capitalism is not the solution how to do with these situations. I think that's fair. I mean. I think you can still admire it because the inverse is that we always complain. White people find success five ways to crack the code to leverage time for money right like. That's the thing that we've talked about for the past three weeks. You don't necessarily have to have the same capitalistic. Mindset to appreciate somebody taking a brand flipping it did you know in. Especially because they built it built their own gear. You know so if they built their own when previously they were championing brands. That didn't support us at all. Look like us at all. I considered the delta of that a win. I don't think that's a win for black culture right but you know right. Maybe maybe black lectures that would just you know big figures but but it is. I mean says up in the second ago it is something there is something more warned for an amazing and fantastic to one person being able to affect the sales of a product that much. You talk now sixty k. Among the half a mil among just based on the name. I j making fucking champagne. Stop a great leader seat peer. But he did say he did. Pay attention to detail right so champagne and not for technically. Be champagne has sourced from champaign italy So you know. They did their due diligence in that regard and also the brand detachment You know the Social cultural implications of having a space bottles at the club dip inexperienced l. e. seen. I never his parents one bottle. But like you know what i'm saying so you gotta take it for what it was for what it is. I mean this about socialism to a guy who's washed to in a black messiah like four times same to watch in change. This very have call tom tom. He's africa. Say about faith. Would you say say you make it about something over overseas. I get into say about failure. You'd have been watching it just resonated different. You might watch that shit before i watch. That's true that's real let's do. Hey that's that's all good as diverse job is what it is booming economy over there. I also news about connery's oh stevie wonder's moving to garner. Yeah definitely saw that. Yeah trying to go to in december or like something. Like that yeah. That's that's about that time to go. Yeah yes apparently. According to my fraudulent Spit twenty-three metex which they said they faked the results from ghana. Mostly nigerian but i do like ten percent ghana guys. Shutouts yard just revealed this nigga station on. Hey maybe the elsewhere. It's been a long time at the time. We've elsie was blowing. Every time i think about i think about that one big look. You're on the moon. Hey man had a few too many edibles shit. What a wonderful statement would wonderful statement. I don't have much. I just i just off the principal still under pull up. I we appreciate your bro and always feels good to be in the place where all three homeless we have. Such a good podcast. The angelo de ngelo versus a everybody. Everybody is that who you think. Pulling up is what would i prefer maxwell of. Yeah yeah that's a good battle. It's an era yet. Is everybody who like was driving in a parent's backseat Repairs backseat like nine pm. On why is this okay. Your parents had a party. They went to tag along. 'cause everybody else had kids they. Are you driving back jobs. Back onto ninety five three ninety five four ninety five. Her rockville coming from these are the four zero days but yeah yeah same shit though. And that's what's up. Though you think these maxwell jill scott yes exactly. Jr said earlier. What did you say. Just all might pull up. That is we we definitely lady That'd be hard. I looked. i'd love to see lauren. Pull up me and drop a couple to hit me right. In the heart she ownership no absolute which is so sad and so so this wants lawrence so sad because you know she just went. Diamond says education law hedges went down with all that money with straight to the government. Dan probably did was taxes. Or i feel like i feel like. Here's i have to read into this. But every time i read into it i get the same implication. I feel like the united states. Government owns like major portion of the education alone. You look that. I think that direct like part of her part of a way to get out of tax evasion was to basically just like okay. I'll sell you a piece of the only one that are really put out. Fuck man she just living off to money. Don't think that was that. Was it hours before all that blood money. My goodness that's another topic. Dave chapelle amazing. So how do you feel about chapelle. Do you feel about chapelle. The same philip j. You was weird. I was talking about this morning on the show as excited as i am for him. I'm mike my assessment is like it's cool. It's cool it's cool. It's cool but we were. I was kind of discovered this morning. Like in my head before. He told us he did on the audio. So this is kind of like just returm to form to me isn't it doesn't feel like celebration. Although it is a celebration but it just feels like key already had it so for him to get it back. It's kind of like all right. Yeah this is what we should be. Now let's see what happens with be season four. I don't think will the indices. I would i mean he would do it on his terms. Not their way exactly is his now though. I wanted to bring it bring back the original. You can't bring back everybody from the original cast but having neal brennan bang on like charlie murphy. Yeah rest in peace charlie. Murphy's i don't got some stuff in the vault but they might have used that up those seasons with But i i look back on chapelle show classic hate on it right first season. Slightest kids. I just don't resonate with as much missus who's thirteen anymore. That's fair not a shock funny for me anymore. free bobby do we talk about that. Now we didn't talk about that you talked about. The and bobby started is seven years or seven years ago man so thirty dollars. Twenty talk was that was probably close to here two miles up the road. I was probably at a hookah lounge figuring it all out Fucking route twenty three what. Tom was thirty three years old. We're don't believe none of the live. This man is at martin's cross notice was at the half know seven taking photos seven years. Twenty four twenty five. Am i shit again. I can only imagine if i had time house. Bobby's probably winner jelly twenty. Y- had been like early twenties and in rowdy got are maybe five months ago three or four months ago. Who was is guy. They voted in snitch on each other. In fact bobby agreed to take on additional time to keep rowdy rebels Time served and a half months really so not not only did they not snitch but they held each other down for real they sacrificed. Wow more time you know bobby. Sacrifice more time in penitentiary here to to help his boy. Yeah i just love. The cueva went to get him in a in a jet with three ugly as white women. You gotta think. I thought that wasn't real what White woman they look in the picture. I don't know. I don't know if that was the real. I don't know yes there somewhere. I do believe that they don't there's no matter. You have to be fresh out to appreciate and bring him bring up delegate bad bitches and you know it's a practice aids that so bearable that's so terrible for media objective data easing back into society. Man right you gotta show the maybe they might have been like eight spec seven years ago. Hey she's been a minute. But and he was nineteen. Seventy nineteen twenty and He came home to platinum. Plaques facts did thanks stuart songs. He comes home to some bags you know. That's the that's the biggest thing for me. Whatever he puts out we got support the shit out of it. I thought that's my of course flight gonna happen. It's time is good to see you know everybody talks about six nine is possible over replaced but all right now the antithesis of that is a real real who was able to turn shit out without any of that goofy shit so it's so crazy how much he affected the culture such a little bit of time. Bobby book dance the dance. Oh yeah. I mean pop smoke. I mean there's something about new york rappers are when they hit it. It takes over a different type of way. You know what i'm saying but that summer young may have. We just want some bobby bobby at a couple of joints going crazy. Smoke short of a time as he was up. Yeah change the game. And i think a lot of I think a lot of the subsequent music that came out from generation was at least they not only meyer. Bobby was you know especially in the new york site. He was like damn. We could take this out and we got some fresh Because that was back when new york was trying to find a clamor for something entirely new sound to hold onto. It was looking dusty. Look a little dusty in new york. Yeah the hinder reports now. New york might be dead. Bobby home bobby home. Maybe i don't know see. I mean it's totally different landscape. I mean i'm sure gangs gangs have been around for a while. But the rise of movies about a lot of -ffiliated ingraham affiliated new york music. You know back in the day you just dip set to some degree but now is way more. Blatant you got brooklyn drill. People killing each other kids killing each other and shit like they weren't you know seemingly in chicago so right it's a totally different landscape. And you know you got people like six nine run awhile got rob's doing dumb shit for the clout come a lot more. So i might say that they need to call somebody to check on meek mill said he'd titties again. The kobe line isn't a guy here. well i don't really blame them for the altercation with six dollars because they're like six nine upon negative talking shit until which would you say to that when a crazy ass bitch ass nigger run up on you and you shit fresh off probation where i mean but then again it's like no you meek mill you talking about all this reform shit. He's supposed to be you've been through it. You've been locked up. Why even risky to stay out of the way you turn right anyway. He's gonna he's getting. He's getting vilify everything that does. Yeah right i mean for me. It's like as a huge kobe fan. Yeah that line i didn't. I didn't actual- line. But i had to do it. First but as avid battle rap fan right mild. Very mild bar. In a more shit than i hear. 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Drive-Thrus and Du-Rags

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Drive-Thrus and Du-Rags

"We record your go now. The give nother oscars. Now the disappointment that do we. Did you see that you caught me off guard the after daniel kalou one is a war and they mistook him for the disney. Let's here there we go. Yeah the The reporter was like how does it feel to be directed by regina king. He was like. How could you repeat the question. John my little brother soccer. I'll be watching just snapping dude engine. True speaking this is not oscars at a time from the source. That's that's how you get to switch it over. He's like this vaccine. But we did we did see the oscars we saw some Some interesting winds. We saw Jet we boseman did not win. That's why i was just. I mean it wasn't that he didn't win. Best actor it's what twitter's been saying how they marketed the oscars and you know in a big shot. The colusa but i had a few issues. I feel like Latif and daniel should not have been in the same category. You know what. I'm saying like that leads to your point. Though i feel like the kademi was trying to create a situation in which one of them would win and chad. But that's not what happened and there. So there are some pluses right. So daniel i think it was the first time. A black person or black One the war from hair makeup for feeling stuff It was a rainy rainy. bottom yet. but yeah there was definitely some losses them like finish out the show with anthony hopkins. Winning should just like old white guy. I didn't grant i didn't watch the movie. What is it the father some. But i did watch My my rainy and also watch the sound of metal Thought whoever the lead. Forget remit not remiss whatever. His name is from south metal. Yeah he killed. Shit bro. raise i ed or something like that. You use fire. That sounded medal was excellent. Amazing the majors. Great film won best. Sound and best best sound is something else. They were both outta story where awards though like sensory kind of base things yet. they're both sets of rebates. So of course you know we don't look to the oscars for validation. We just appreciate the appreciation right so we wanna appreciate all those little bit appreciated from this appreciative source. Anytime nigger gets a win game. We all fall. I love nicholas. I don't care what platform it is. And i feel like after daniel kinda sized up shorties question. Yeah he was. Like i mean just about us getting coming together. That's really all right. Yeah in a c- Yossi the video of daniel and fred hampton. Junior sharon refrigerator hugging the after party. Y'all embracing each other. I always powerful man. i imagine. Just like to be in Chairman fred junior's shoes right. You know You know behind the legacy of such a great man Have this film come out under these circumstances and four daniel to win an oscar for playing your father right. You know what i'm saying. And then yeah. I sort of thought that fred hampton juniors in the movie word right yet. But he's in the mood because the the mom pregnant during home. Okay yes or no moving. So it's crazy. This is crazy that his father died before he was born. And here we are seeing the unraveling of this narrative. Right in our face to the point you just made man it is is. We appreciate seeing niggers. I love watching nigga win and then like what is that moment. They're jealous speaking of is that like when you as a creative do something paying homage to someone the family embracing it just means something different. Especially when you know. That's why charlotte to ryan kugler to the director and the other major producer. Believe they're all black men. That's what happens when you do a biopic and you consult with the family properly and you consultant do your proper research to get the details and i i've heard different stories in in In terms of how this film even was able to get green lit and it was off based off the success of black panther fan. You know so immediately. Once they saw like a black panther was going be a success. Ryan reached out to today. Anion was like you got another. I got another joint. I wanna say it was during the filming. I think we are already in talks. S up so. I guess shout out to black panther still in multiple ways right black panther provided away for black pants. Look at oh watch. Dr do my johnson. So i'm real real tired. But i haven't watched the whole. Dr lamar jamaica's. I fell asleep. But heard that nigga drop forty like on a breakfast those negative board. Yeah he in. The reaction. In times of dr mars episodes and interviews is always kind of interesting fifty fifty right but d'abre for thirteen from the field tonight in his bag. Like i start right before the makir bryant discussion. Apparently envy caught a lot of flag. I haven't seen it yet. But prior to the heavy not conflict true. It just keeps himself in the line of fire him in charlotte. Hey man but they stay. They stay paid. You know solves anything but they know how to keep attention going. You know especially for the for them to be that much older. You know the breakfast club is. I wouldn't say it's an aging program. But because his mad older than the core audience that listens to hip hop in is in tune with hit pop culture for them to pivot to more kind of higher level black culture. And how smoothly did it over the years. Yeah i gotta respect charlemagne connor like pay kind of paying. What forward backward you'd having the podcast network as we do. And that's the closest i mean that's just the most recent iteration but you know when he had to deal with mtv two and he was doing no-shows he was bringing in talent. You know like when joe biden was really starting to pick up that's when tax stones killing it to tax tax. How charlotte retex charlemagne detail in order to the publishing the book publishing deal. He's got to make malary's book coming out. Ryan book coming out all this under the black privilege Publishing house and i would be. I would be remiss. If i didn't say the forming of this podcast network isn't directly inspired by shot. Joe i would say i wouldn't say i mean you could say that it was inspired by i would say was inspired by charlemagne general because i think when we came out of your having dialogue about us going independent and stuff that was before he had officially stated anything about black effect. We we stand on the shoulder of giants. Like we definitely i mean. Can we say we grew up. We can say we grew up at this point on. Charlemagne on brilliant idiots is one of my favorite podcasts. Pretty hard cast as pop in you know what. I'm saying like shot up recipes. Combat jack to me father in law always be the godfather but is definitely up. There on on mount rushmore. Well big facts will. Why are we spending now. These other people's names. Let's go introduce ourselves. We want to welcome you to the over. The show the podcast we can do that. This is your chance to drop three professional creators as we discussed the sources happenings in. Inspirations from the creative industry from film to production to music to culture join us each week as we push the envelope on. The possibilities of the creative industries are host this week. of course. there's your main man. Three hundred twenty five six thousand grand be more brown. What's up y'all how we doing today. How we doing the thoughtful question dow who with you can move. Keep him wichita. Thomas thomas. the great aka the facilitator. Look you see no look. When he pointed at the. Nick is better than mine in real life. Real acts facts. Yeah yeah backpack matt and all that money matt and paying dues paying respect and paying ford of ours. happy to be here. I finally got it logged off again. We got it be hit. Oh man but you know what time. They have windows ninety nine. Xp word oh foot day. Today's where today's brought by dictionary dot com. I do have it right here. Waiting for us today is ex- nubia here ago. Economia interesting economia. Exxon newly items as tokens or metals that resemble money but are not intended to circulate as money bucks. Wow what a perfect example. Canoe me thanks. We appreciate it our new segment. It is this month creativity. We have. I think the last episode we created was on in early april here. We are in late april during close out the month. So it's a couple of things you we could do so quick round some quick fire would it response to All right let's do all right so yesterday through the house. Representatives dc state. Least do the house. Representatives is state. The next step is to go through. Senate was according to the rumors is a fifty. Fifty projectile will come out harris being the fifty first time. Meaning that dc will come the fifty first state in the nation house. Would it reactions fellas mixed bag. I feel. I mean. I may be wrong with this but like these has some stripe privileges in not being state so like the kids can go to be in state out of state and my my my misfire that i mean. But what do you mean. Like state colleges at in-state prices because they are in dc and don't even if they are out of state right. I mean that's a very very small. Ed do wants benefit right benefit on the less mixed bag. Okay okay Taxation without representation you see it on the license plates all over the place. That's the biggest. I'm always gonna be huge. Proponent of if citizens of dc the native washingtonian especially who spent their whole lives in a district have been taxed. But you know Don't have represent a proper representation correct in congress. And so i'm a huge proponent of that especially since his district This area just in general so powerful for a multitude of different ways. And i think it's interesting that now. The senate is gaining major traction. When african americans are black people only make up forty three percent of the population in district. So what i mean is is bittersweet in that regard runs on right any thoughts of what the state names should be i have i've seen eleanor holmes. Holmes norton is leading the front on to douglas commonwealth. I see mirrow. Bowser is leaning more so on new. Columbia new columbia. Get that out of here. We'll see both. My nigga said i mike could go for douglas. What was it. The wealth douglas. Maybe that one. Because frederick but Keeps the dc akron right. Like i wanted to maintain its identity so to speak but i don't know i'm i'm just kinda waiting for more ideas. I this this is why i didn't. This is my first time hearing both options but right douglas commonwealth is to me because we don't have any states named after a black person so i'll take whatever the whatever you can get a good point. You know what i'm saying. Especially all these monuments. You've got the dr king monument and all of that like it just it. It makes sense like we were do if you reach back far. Nothing to you Us history from eighth grade. Do you remember how we get the name of georgia and the carolina in new hampshire new york now. These are based on like wire apprentice season. I right right. I think georgia was though. Wait note. georgia's named after king. George wow and i think one of them bitches sorry one of them niggers wives is like carolyn carolina she does. I will get the carolinas right. And they i mean out of the two options are more inclined to follow. Eleanor than i am The mayor so i'm just i think she came up my fucking with me right. Yeah i think even certain states are heavily influenced by the french. You talking about like louisiana and even when she go out west some of them are based off of native american tribes. Someone aims illinois illinois. I believe utah has a lot of native american background in that as me every song digital folks right right. Mad areas in virginia are named after literal indian tribes so indian tribe second follow-up question anybody interested in starting to city. I do notice now in maryland. There is the city not too far from. I say laura rockville. Silver spring called ashton maryland. I do wanna buy them. You wanna buy ashton however that purchaser. I do wanna buy. What would you have to buy for you to have the. Do you have to by city hall and fifty percent of all the shit. That's in that city. I don't know is it a small. it's not. I mean yachting's don't know about it so i know about two hundred when i'm driving past two at two hundred to get to the y'all she's low key so i'm like all right pop over there real furrows so i'm actually man of this idea. Even though like talking about him buying the towel to true. I i just. I just liked the concept. Yeah it is asked lafayette earlier. If you wanted to be the mayor of southeast once they turned very forms. Would you be the mayor berry. Farm east east washington. Sorry that's it's in. My head is ease wise. Y'all got called last year douglas. Douglas douglas. she's douglas shit nothing. I think that's an interesting interesting thing. Speaking of have you guys watched the hbo documentary exterminate. All the brutes. Nah pete that on hbo. I haven't watched it yet though. Exterminate all the brutes is brought to you by the same doodoo did. I'm not your negro. His name is rahul pack and he does a history and four parson examination of whiteness. in america. people have to watch it now that we told him the second time. I've heard that as a recommendation so it was really good. And he's got a very he's got a very unique voice in the way that he. I mean it is triggering. 'cause we are examining lightness. Still but in comparison to like awaits them. I'll watch them on brand. No have no like. I've i've watched. Yeah and i'll i'll let you. I quickly say no because not because of the us they comparison. But it's also from. What i've heard is a lot of black trauma and i've just really been trying to spend time perjure myself much shit in here and shit like that like i'd rather take him black joy than black parts like to an extent to an extreme for them is crazy bro. I'll just four minutes craziest crown. The one excerpt have seen is the The one mother like bitch slap in the hell out of the white one. I mean that might be the one time black people winning show like the the the crux tragedy of this is that a woman a black woman is raped own home while her child is killed in front of her right. Oh yeah we watch dead and not only do we watch that you realize like a no in the credits ain't no adopted screenplay a no basal original sit sit down at the old. Let me think about this. Shit versus like bruce which is actually factual which is equally triggering but like nigga in spirit of marseille marseille. Martin we still gotta do pain. And why does this degree damage. It was think bronco actually just aqueous limb right no for that same reason. I heard i've heard how how it plays out tom. I watched it. And then i was hurting but ending times on it. I mean shit. The shy you are certain seasons of the shy be covers some pretty dark concepts. And i'm like all right. Okay all right all right right got a couple more things. We wanna talk about here. balcony winter soldier falcon in the white soldier associates falcon and a waste any additional thoughts. I know used. Okay i have. I have watched. it was always forget. My man's name like a falcon. what's his name. sam's sam but like real life. Oh anthem anthony mackie. Yeah i painted. That negga sense was the The john with high sauce. The movie wayne brady and hot sauce remember that she was back in the day with wayne brady and hot to make me go what crossover. Oh shit i hated folk the negative but i respect him. You know what i'm saying. I think Were fucked papa. Doc to and eight mile yes. I watched the youtube video. Talking about papa doc. This nigga only wrapped once tire film at the very beginning shit was treated as i should was trash. But he's the main character like Villain is the main villain. He was to park in the big movie was. Let's not talk. This is agent is amazing. Great so as a professional really. Probably anthony mcintyre as professional bad journeyman. Nick has been in the league. Eighteen years right. Yeah somehow keeps putting numbers on the black mirror. That was only watched it one time but it was a good episode. Yeah it was I think falcon In white soldier was a it was cool. I don't think it was the dopes. So far i don't think it was better than Wanna vision personally. I think there were themes when it comes to you know talking about blackness and a marvel series that was But other than that and and the fact that now you have Which is really not really a spoiler. But now to have anthony mackie. Sam wilson as the black Captain america is dope is dope for that. I mean i don't have anything else to say. Yeah i feel pretty Milk adult about it myself out. Buildings were pretty weak. They were yeah. I thought the show was pretty weak. Alison be nice now. I appreciate you because it is hard to come down on black thing. It really is but you know we We appreciate you know. One of the best lines from the show was the og super soldier who had been tested. Isaiah bradley bradley. He says no They would never let a black man be captain. America and self respect black man would want being. Although he became captain america had to and still with isaiah. Anthony fucking paki right right regular faced french. Vanilla anthony mackie appreciate you though because we need the hell of black actors man black. Okay okay okay couple One second to last thing saw the momentum far far into the luxury brand right. They saw the bags that women get in line for and they don't want black men to buy it and resell right. This black luxury. Lobsters scale make sure is accessible to all people in the community. Tell far is now making uniforms for white castle. Part of that you. Yes yes yes white gasol. Yes you know how you just hit white castle. Yes white castle and party uniform downtown. We'll look directly to. I wanna your hairless reaction. I'm hard or harder to uniform. They're designing is a do rag. Would you thoughts. The air has been sucked out of miata. I don't that. I don't i don't have worth for them. It's almost infuriating okay. So it's a negative reaction. I needed to see it though. Oh they've been with white castle. Thanks last year with the fact check. Dow golden was been with by castle. Apparently far has been white castle. Oh but the more emphasis. I want to put on is in this version of the of the of the uniform. Do rags see. My whole thing is like why why. Sometimes the execution of such things is so like. I don't wanna use the word bland but like who the. How does this make it through multiple levels of approval in some company. That like you. We're gonna use a do rag as part of our uniform and the expected to go positively. Well i wasn't so far. Selling do rags on his on his store already so that was something that he brought to the table. And that's why when you posted that on your g a few weeks ago. I was like hey man if a black man or black person is general is the one spearheaded net making the bag offer. That didn't okay. That that that i can i can. Rock was just like a place already. Called white castle was already going to give me question but this is like a north north lead. West wasn't northeast. I think like maine. Providence rhode island but life yakking. The tristate try stay tries. They joined mike castle. So maybe you know it's like all right. This is a little different than Travis scott situation mcdonald's or something like that where they just like okay. You get a make double with extra pickles and shit right now and closed travis. Scott right yeah. So maybe in comparison at ad. I'm just like all right. We'll maybe Okay let me ask you this. Get a bigger slice of the pie. Hopefully the next time you up you up saying you up in brooklyn clock in the morning about nine blunts for the day is white castles accurate. I walk into joint. You see a greasy white boy with the tail out on the do rag. What are your thoughts. Not like law and comforting. First thing i think of is kip from napoleon dynamite again. Some of the la fonda. I manage your brother off another perfectly time linger by matthew. That was good. He's got a lot of random. Shit your provide the space for me to let me let it out with greasy zach wearing the darn i mean when you compare it to shit like they. I'm going away castle like that. Pasolini top ten wasn't a top. Ten is white castle in your top ten. i don. I haven't even had why he's like the time i can't even put it in the conversation. My top fifty fifty. I acceptable this white castle equivalent. I know crystal crystals yeah same shit just a little more charm. Kissed of personality is the chilli cheese. Cheeseburgers should be soggy bottom up here in the bag. Wet and then as snowfall has made its season finale season for which is actually the first season completely without john singleton conversation of snowfall versus the wire versus other shows. Other shows other shows commencing. Wash still fall to you. I have not watched no fall. But i've definitely watched the wire and the other show data what other show power was will put up on screen breaking bad. Yeah i mean. But i guess i guess for it to be mentioned with the wire and breaking bad not so much power but as the wire. It is an indication that snowfall is being taken seriously to appoint of like high quality television. I think what i would. I first benched at the beginning of the pandemic or actually just after. John singleton and past when i visited i was wondering how come more people aren't talking about this show. This show is so good enough. That has caused me hyper hyperventilate into show to have a panic attack in the show like host to happen right dishes right so what we were talking about the show. So i'm glad that the conversation especially after this last season which i think was just as successful in just as a potent of a storytelling without john singles did recipes to my man's but they were able to carry it out moving forward. I love snowfall. So if there's a choice between the three. Of course i'm gonna snowfall as the black tycoon. Story i love. I love both snowfall in the wire. And we've argued about this before. I'm caught up to speed on both i if it comes down to Y versus snowfall going to go with the wire. Just because i feel like it's way more expansive. I feel like the city plays way more essential element i feel like. It's not just following the rise and fall of one particular dynasty it traces multiple dynasty drew to you. I'm saying story i'm marlow. Then you got the elements of. I think You compare teddy and ocean ozone and all the the cia is doing is snowfall to how influential like the politics and the police force in baltimore was in the wiring right. I think we talk about franklin as a central character is not many characters and a wire that can compete with that at all. That's there but that's because they don't get the screen time because of so evenly distributed across so many great actors across so many different kind of Positions on the field. So it's not. It's like doing an injustice when you compare but is funding compare to sit so i just thought of something so idris being able to like for lack of better words model new york in the way he does Do you give the same credited. Uncle jerem like he played the hell out of that person. Now this is crazy. When i heard two rose i saw a A sizzle piece about drone behind the scenes or some shit like actor. Who plays him when i heard him in real life i was like whoa. I heard him before. I saw like i already knew any more impressed. By the transformation of jerome. Who's a new york actor graduated from howard playing a west coast a more impressed with that transformation than danson transforming his british exit into a west coast accent. I i was actually going into the wire with down. I was talking about Elba do aisling a new yorker. Oh jerome disease. Because there are times to wire would like after washington back there at times on the wire. But mike smith alone in their into i heard a little sharp. There got you right. They know twos and they're right right right right right on out them pows long enough my negative. You gotta but what happens when we get to compare that we don't when we compare. We don't get to see the wire as a precedent for snowfall reason. Why damson candu each did is because he watched just do it right so he knows shit. I can't slip up right here. 'cause you know to go here my goodness right so i might as well steady at with a steady at with a west coast. Rapper were man's name now. Wwe study up with see. Get it right to do my part out here. Live out here. Immerse myself in and john singleton dot exactly it. The advantage of snowfall that they have it is black sourced right. The wire is based on a black town but the writers and producers and directors are white guys right right so this is just so the authenticity might miss justice. Mitch snider mess. But i don't think so. I mean you want to say miss but it's just the i think the wire did a great job of really consulting and pulling in like you know hail if i was talking about this early before we got on started recording shit as they were pulling in extras. Who were like you know. Popular people in dc. You could see you know like snoop was didn't have any formal acting training A big g slim charles on wire didn't have any formal acting training and now he's a whole real life act facts like practice in in everything feel saying they will get an extra from the dc area from the baltimore area. Like peut them. Nick that nigga wars from baltimore like yeah you so to a point although it might be white sourced i would to your to your point. Matt i agree with the wire is more so about the whole system of caribbean that started through the drug line but is like kind of get it. Now it's the wire they connect them together. I o two. Thanks tom tom that all right we got so we're gonna move on to our next section. Which is the money move of the week. I wish we had the money. I don't work though. Some the was the bloomberg's yeah. I was going to stay in business report. Add money whatever buddy interest rates bitch. So i don't. I don't really have i would do. I've read a couple articles in forbes yesterday about What the hell biden his act when he's gonna make a move on student. Loan forgiveness shit. Okay okay talk to into what degree. Now i'm been hearing that. He's finally tapped his Legal counsel to start researching. What a policy that could work in get approval would actually look like Obviously schumer and warrant and a bunch of the democrats are telling issues executive action right because the I think it's not the dream act but the most the cares act and right and a few of the other acts that have come out through the pandemic have opened the door for him to potentially make executive action. But it's still a lot of shit up in the air for one. How much forgiveness He wants to do. He stayed at ten thousand and he's got a lot of pushback for that from the left side. They feel like that's definitely way too low. They're pushing for fifty thousand right. Then it comes down to but that's just that's just the top of the tip of the iceberg. You go down below that what type alone get forgiven. Are they break. Federal federal private loans right because they don't have control over the private loans so and then then it becomes like with the pandemic when they were giving out the stymies it. There was a cat. There was a threshold in terms. Of how much uber bringing in terms of your twenty nineteen salary right right in terms of if are eligible for the the stimulus checks and now i think they're trying to do that saying cap on Yeah well that's what's been floated out there. Like a i think over if you make over one hundred twenty five k. They floated out there. That you wouldn't be eligible Which i think is kind of ask some people. I know stimulus right out of the equation. And then you've heard you've heard you've heard biden talk about it early on. When i got elected he was like he doesn't wanna reward somebody who went to a top to your private school When you think. I know a lot of black people into top to your private schools. Both hughes and pwi's line. I think they could benefit greatly from who couldn't benefit being wiped thing. Like you thinking like you. Just help. Rich kids out. But here's the thing. Rich kids don't have stood low. Hey worth the student loans. They don't have student loans at all exactly that. So there's a flaw in thinking they're right which is usually what how politicians think of course of course the The ten k. Thing is ridiculous. Even when i remember when he made the statements that private school kids shouldn't be eligible for student. Loan forgiveness and my private school is like right i went i remember picking the school as a kid because of the status that this private school with bring me right and i got student loans to pay for that shit. Now you telling me right now. That's fucked up. That's that's not a workshop. At joe biden. We had to work out that women in the world on twitter. We always see the comebacks when biden tweet something. And he's like yeah. We need to address this. And he's like no. You need to just those student loans right. But my critique is what has always been for. Social media's doesn't hit as hard as nails make it seem to like is a nice little zinger right. You know some great great tweets right. But what impact does it really have on moving the ball forward alleviating people from so much stress. I mean people really down and out right now who went to these private colleges and you know even people who have big big salaries just because you have a big salary. You know doesn't mean that you're not drowning in debt. You know what i'm saying you know so look at. I know we all have franson went to grad school and picked up in grad school loan. So crazy and still struggled find a job and if they do get a job are they getting enough where they can really pay down that debt and ten years program. Probably not probably not as crazy though we had to. We had to get ride. Joe biden said. They're certainly to better joseph which we could to your point. I wish that we could transform these. These twitter fingers into letters to may instead of thirty thousand retweets. I need thirty thousand natives on the lawn just looking at them just chain. That is awesome with something right. We at your front door fax facts sometime. Believe you said up by musical guests today who we got. Scholar a aka. Wow even have ak swarm but not just from detroit aka the dmv. 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I was of course on hypocrisy. An disdain got a point dream what. I what i think is interesting to talk about here. Especially the over. The show to creative insights perspective is to think about As did is writing a letter to corporate america saying that corporate america needs to change strategy in which it funds america the direct hypocrisy from ditty not funding the artists around him right. What our thoughts. On that. I mean and we're talking about this also a few days or a week later from the passing of black rob reiner multiple joints most notably. Whoa whoa As a as a saini too bad boy and for him to pass how he did go fund me campaigns before he passed you know medical funds zones and whatnot is like before did he send in this letter to corporate america. There's been discussions about hip hop unions and shit like this but ended a day. This is like to what extent detaille care of your people. And you know y- like to what point do you let go. Yeah you know damp to to what extent do you blame. Duty for The craig max in the biggies and and most artists just weren't able to you know maintain their footing in in the black rob's versus saying hey remain responsible for the opportunities that are given to them. Like i don't know it's tough and and that's the part. Where like if you did not really supposed to be a comparison but like is where master p ran away with it going in a positive direction and did he just kinda like yeah like. I don't know of any career that did he took on that. He didn't develop originally where he was able to rehabilitate. Career like was masterpiece. Differ snoop. Oh no you know what i'm saying. All the other people the the only thing that i feel like is somewhat associated with. Did he then went. Positively would be mary j. Okay that's the only thing i can. But they weren't even directly like he wasn't a bad boy artist they just worked together in the early days. Right machine gun. Kelly's you don't think of his success now because he's more successful now but i don't think he's no longer. I don't think he's a anymore. Yeah i don't think you're attributed to bad way interesting. As a as a burgeoning record label owner the the case study of ditty is a very interesting when it comes to. How do you take care of your people right because contracts are contracts at the same time like if if someone is under your care supposed to look after them at the same time. I think the difference between a ditty in a masterpiece best. Ap is invested in. the person. holistically like are you able and not even know if that's like a moral thing just like output situation are you able to actually come in here and produce in mass so that we're able to distribute that in mass and make money whereas diddy is more so seems to be more about the content and less about the person i think did he is when his collaborations are more. So we're corporate. America dan masterpiece collaborations which had been with other artists. Even talk about rap. Snacks this nigga got twenty seven different artists on each independent. I know bagga flavor this nigger. This nigger has four different types of barbecue chips. Each would a different wraparound shot loss. Of course you know so. Even his entrepreneur entrepreneurial efforts are inclusive. What i'm saying like include sardis with his kids to like saw on a breakfast club recently with force mercy and hersi by in two years two youngest boys in. That's not to say that. Did he's not doing that with his kids. You know but i mean even then even the point i was getting to is like what you just said did more exclusive and more inclusive right and i wonder if that has to do with whether from it how they were raised right i mean but did he talk about a letter to corporate america. I'm like why we know letter for even working with these niggers directly for years okay. So here's the other half right because we can. We can look at the letter. That did he wrote like your mother fucking hypocrite. And that's absolutely true but there is something absolutely absolutely true about what he's writing content flight complaint is to gm and their support of revolt. What happens is revolt is able to advertised. Gm gm checkoff their diversity stats. When it comes to advertise the black people have them reach our whole demographic and then gm will tell them is how much money we want to give you nine a situation. Where like we're charging you forever reverse charging for advertising space in. You need to pay this. Gm will turn around be like i can also sharecroppers shit like okay. We gave you five mil to first year right and you did great so this year. We just give you one way leak. We need more than one. Okay we'll just take it away okay. We'll take the one. That's what you're saying. You're saying that he's corporate. The corporate institutions are peace out money to black organizations to check off diversity inclusion equitably equitably stats for the organization without actually paying the just do for that same service. I mean that's a leverage thing. And i mean i get that corporate america and he's white on companies have a lot more leverage. But i think there's i mean i'm not i'm not in his position but i'm just thinking like competition is a big way to combat that to be Pigeon held or Limited to having only one major partner. You're at the behest of that person in terms of what they're trying to bargain which you and i think it should be more collaborations and stuff where it's like fucking gm. If gm's not going to do it. I mean reach out to this group going forward. Maybe this you know But that i get what you're saying it from a high level both things it'd be true to true. Yeah and one thing just be true. I did he doesn't need to do better. And when i read back as It's interesting when i teach. I teach music business and music media and we always get to the diddy. Chapter in the detector involves like oral histories of ditty putting himself out as a producer because legally producers and writers supposedly get fifty percent of the song but then like hitmaker's who put them down his drum trump technicians and shit like that so he can he can not pay them the rate of equity The rate of like equity but like basically worked for hires on a very cheaper cheaper level so he created a career often manipulating manipulating system. That way and now would you only have those this y why i feel like he's more exclusive. When you only have bad boy we only have sean john. We only have those particular products that are based on like misao for a talented accident. Only come once in a lifetime. You depend on those pieces of those pieces of properties that make you money instead of Depending on migos as a whole we can t shirts off these negative ryan he thinking about. I'm trying to flip songs from ninety nine right. I mean it's a model that works for him and also on the flip side. We're talking about like unfairly paying artists or the producers and stuff. We don't really know what degree how much money that he's putting into the pie. Facts relative to what they're asking for because yeah they might have made the beat initially but who's really frightened the record exam saying exactly. So that's that's not. That's not a public conversation conversation right because as a public. You're supposed to feel bad for blake rap because the artists that you love posted. Pay mace more money right. Because you fuck with mace right. You like a couple of songs but you. You didn't have to work with that negative. You have to work with anywhere. We're black rob. You didn't have to manage them. You didn't have the money to bail bell. You have to say so you know. Maybe he gave necas hell advice and existing. Take it so. That's why. I say you know originally to what point do we Hand off responsibility or accountability question. You know. I don't know. I just have like an interesting relationship with like the like Black raum there was a claim like he was homeless or something at the time of his bike at the time he got sick. And all that. And i've always kind of had this interesting relationship with it. 'cause like sometimes conversation with almost person like let's say they ask for a dollar. I'm like okay what you needed like. What what are you going to do with adult. Not necessarily saying like you can't buy that with the dollar what you need it for us. So there was a time where i discussed with. Somebody asked for one beer. And after i talked with him just sometimes it makes you realize that these people are like one positive thought of one positive interaction from coming back to life and like sometimes to homelessness is like a mental state that they reside in as opposed to know temporarily living or something like that post but he s for one beer. Yeah so it makes you like what you don't want the whole twelve pack like i don't know they just made me like y and then i. I had that conversation one of my coworkers earlier today. So that's why i made me bring it to life. I mexico point though so the same thing could have been true for black rob. I don't know sometimes negotiating to get over one hurdle right. Yeah that was. That was pretty Even you know. I we want to go deep. Go ahead we wanna stay away. That's the benefit of being with. You know having the bridge podcast network. Yeah we're building. We're not limited to forty five minutes so we avoid. I need to know you try. Get out alexia. What's up shots alexi. Charlotte's jack i'm gonna go to the auto homeys so hundred today. Form a homemade. Yeah to the informed the bridges. We are We are distributed and brought to you by the bridge podcast network We appreciate that. If i go a little deeper if i own employees make it real as a contact greater. I find it. Pivotal to constantly investigate that which inspires confounds and disrupts creativity each week. I explore creative concept you constructive analyze it this week. I want to talk about. What is black. What is black and attractive. I saw a tweet couple weeks ago. Because that's how information now. I saw a couple of tweaks. I called a couple of tweets a couple of weeks ago in the purpose of the tweet was questioning are black. People are attractive or are we following eurocentric beauty standards to seem attractive. Are black people attractive. Are we following. Eurocentric beauty patterns to seem attractive time. You african hold on. Hold on when i was a kid. Oh boy i'm just gonna go put it out there because fuck at the point of bima. Brown is to be wrong with public rectify. So let's see what happens When i was a kid i always recognized that. African people look different than black people. Okay and small things. It's the natural hairline. Africa people tend to rock vs our sabbatical. Hairline is the way that we dress for the way africa. People dress the way that we talk our skin tone as we relate to like watch washington face like african people. Don't why safe face. But just in the different ways that we see beauty in the world and how we express billion. The world from african american has always been from my perspective different than african see beauty in the world and how they express beauty in the world so when this question comes up of our black people attractive black americans descend slaves. Are we attractive. Are we just following eurocentric beauty standards at first it just maybe be like of course we attractive but then thought that are a little different about him. Go onto twitter. I see a conversation. That's happening on two fronts on between black women and black women between black men and black men. The conversation happened between black women and not sourced this information from black women. Don't don't be calling me no misogynous. I talked to twenty black women about the situation temple. Size god dammit anyway Valid talk to to talk to different black men about this so the original tweet said that on on this young lady's birthday to fill extra pretty an extra special. She felt like braids worn enough. She felt like an ordeal extra. Pretty extra-special she have bundles straight hair. Or something of that line. And then the black women jumped into her mentions and rdm's and said there is nothing informal. There is nothing un beautiful. There's nothing unprofessional. About having braids. Braves should be more akin to who you actually are and your bundles are more into your situation. Few so then the question arises again we attractive or are we just followed eurocentric beauty standards. So then. I'm watching a youtube video. And dan both yard ball better. Say dan okay. This nigga had like bbc bow by choice credit jacob. I'm not by choice but it's another that's okay that's okay. We'll we'll talk about charles a letter so there's a gentleman on twitter on it on youtube. I'm sorry his name is three sixty jesus. he is a waiver a waiver. This is the community of people who like to put celebrate they waves which out back in the day was a waiver that like a hello but like you know i got. I was a happy waiver in my younger days. Okay so the thing that kinda like trigger me a little bit. I watched three sixty jisi take his fro legit fro. He brushed it down. Brushed it down. Tied down wetted down gelded down until he had waves again. The whole time he was doing this he kept saying. I need to civilize myself. I need to order myself. I need to tame myself. I need to de wild myself. All these things as just to say his fro was something that was like a the texture was wrong. It didn't make him look good in the beginning of the video which is actually super triggering. You know you know how calculators creators. They like make a video of themselves talking to themselves. Well he was himself three times and each of these three times. He was convincing himself that his fro was was. Although it was natural it was ugly on them so then again the question rose in my head all we attractive or only we following eurocentric beauty standards. I don't have an answer. I just wanted to put your thoughts. I mean i'm sorry. I do have one follow up so after this conversation of the braids in the bundles happens two weeks ago. In a direct response to that last night at the oscars we see a lot of the black stars show up to the oscars intentionally with the natural protector styles and braids as its say. Fuck you so now. I say i don't really have an answer. What are your thoughts. I i feel like the phrase a phrase beauty is in. The eye of the beholder is is is the one to mention year because it depends on. Who's looking and it all depends on the perspective like i. to a certain extent. I myself Prescribed to like women in their natural state right but at the same time you just also one of those people to let people be themselves so if it's permit shit is permanency if it's for natural let me ask you a question gets you in trouble. I do. African women look different than black women. Yes i guess i don't. I don't know how to explain it. Try we'll podcast. I'll know so. I'm gonna sidestep the question. Just just a good move and as a kid i always recognize like i grew up in maryland and fredericksburg virginia and i always tell people that like i can distinct i can detect distinctively notice when someone is african and or even from my country before they talk before these big or anything just due to the features. Whether it's i don't know they're back like literally the back of the person or when they just how they look so i'll even know if i can break down the features like that widened knows i dunno I would say there is a difference. But i'm not sure i can explain it. Smart smart. I think we gotta also just like we can't we're not. I wasn't born in africa right. You know black people african americans. Aren't you know having been weren't born in africa and at the same time we're in america so we have that versatility where site. Where do we draw inspiration from. I've seen the same women get protect styles and celebrate go on vacation by getting braids right. I've also seen some of those same women. you know. Put on a wig. When he went to go out on friday night right and i don't think that's i don't think it's fair to just be like okay now. They're following eurocentric beauty standards state. You know we were exposed to both i. I suppose the other thing worth mentioning in this discussion is When you go down the wormhole twitter twitter like conspiracy. Theories like sometimes just leans a little too hard in a certain for lack of better words negative direction that just like it was not serious like at the end of the day i feel you. That's a great way intellectually to package that. But do i actually care about what you think. I don't know if i have you seen african nigger with a mohawk like member that the oh six or seven era by african african soccer players still rock is that eurocentric. I'm i feel. I can go either direction because you know let's say from what's the word i'm looking for the native styles from back in the day. I'm sure one of them had a mohawk somewhere in there right so one can say eurocentric one can say that they were afro centric to begin with I dislike depends on where you're coming from. What part of the discussion you come into. Yeah i don't know. I think like i said i think i'm very cautious about saying anything definitive when it comes to women black women and what they should do to embrace let it be known on this show. We respect everything that come out their body right right. Don't give a fuck right so you want to keep on the bunny desk. All i think there's eighty in the versatility there you go right so have one woman wants to be celebrating about the door on a wig. Cool if you want to get it. Whether it's a wake whether it's bundles. You gotta wrote a hair. I either way the way either way you go court rotate shit. Stock and kappa. Whatever the fuck if you don't we're going to talk or you don't put the that with another stuttle's or good with that was doing. That was a good one. Yeah Round here is okay in the bag so we were talking about like lena. Way we talking about falcon and the winter soldier. And i've done this multiple times on the show. I talk about the streaming wars between netflix and hbo. Max and amazon prime and fucking hulu and what else is so many now at this point numbers just came out from netflix. Where this is the first quarter. And i believe like maybe five years where they had a decline in the rate of which of subscriber growth so brackets over cnn. So you know talking to a few different people. I don't have a sample size of twenty. Like penal has for his. But you start. I mean i think is pretty unanimous that people would feel like most of these other platforms like hbo disney even amazon starting to just have general better content than net flicks so. I always wonder like what does that mean for. The future. viability of netflix's because net flicks was that shift. Because not only were they really like i market but they were. They have partnerships with disney to. Hey warner who owns. Hbo where when films were released and after they went to the theater circuit. You know they did. Dvd blu ray and then like a week or two later they would beyond on netflix. But now those avengers movies and all those warner films no longer on the platform You don't have a Luke km it luke cage. Don't have a iron fist. marvel series on netflix anymore. You know they took all their shit back so besides stranger things. I'm trying to think what else do you do. They really have maybe black near but that only comes up. Hand was interesting but know and the also lost friends and the thing is like expiring deals. Who's about to jump off of the major networks having platform so nbc with peacocking in bat plus disney disney disney. With the whole bundle. You can get espn plus hulu Disney all in one package so nine ninety nine. Maybe they even. They even got rid of my precious. Wwe network baby. Really oh yeah. Ww network was bought out by peacock. Wow yeah and so. For the first time ever wrestlemainia was free wide low. Was it a sense of you feel about it. Go no so actually. Actually in conversation with his treatment works. I wanna get back to. I want to get back to netflix's what happens on peacock first off the peacock service is a scam. They charged you five dollars but no commercials but then when you read the commercial when you read the fine print and says oh we actually show commercials on our most popular content regardless if you paid to five dollars dot com right so there is like the dow's up charges for what the second thing as far as wrestlemainia goes i was a little upset because like a wasn't censored but it was quarter down. Yeah it was more introductory. It wasn't like wrestlemanias supposed to be a combination of like a lot of storylines. This felt like the spark of a lot of storylines instead of it being like the season. Finale of the other Just soap opera. It was the pilot episode of the first of the it's like the daytona five hundred like the daytona. Five hundred is the biggest race in nascar. But it's it marks the beginning of the season but really is you know you want something. That that accumulates to a armies nbc's affect five nbc bought the distribution rights for wwe work with three years. Like a billion dollars. Do wonderful my stop here for my viewership terrible for for myself at the same although bianca belair i in the win Well actually not the first bite. Women first black women to resume and that was great but back to netflix though nestled would not survive off a concrete cowboy. Jj i am to your point of like netflix netflix. The name of netflix is synonymous with streaming services. Right like less netflix and chill. You could definitely put on hulu but netflix. I don't elba look look. Hbo max my colleague warner brothers thing. All the best movie. All the mortal combat came. That's mortal kombat just came out with two or three weeks before that was guys king kong two or three weeks before that was the justice league. Snyder cut you know what i mean. So heavy hidden shit really have some like for lack of better words some adapting to do like. How are they going to adapt or survive this. I mean they. I mean they do have so fake rhymes bridgeton was was originally was without the water. But you need a whole lot more than that. I think e suray to sign a deal a production deal with hbo warrant. So yeah she warner right. So in Jamie fox on which is creamy fox has a show on. Netflix aches but his deal is with paramount. Gotcha so to your point. Netflix's and ease like another china and. Yeah another shonda rhimes. A few of them might as well. Call the bulla dangling. Daniels lee butler lee daniels up. All right oh. I just seen this right now. Floyd mayweather logan. Paul have agreed to a fight. Them we'll take place on june. I just thought it to ya heard about that. I got floyd was gonna wax a you. Watch the jake. Paul shit happened. I didn't play for that. Was that but then you have see happened this past weekend. Shout to nigerian a Ufc has like three african champions right now to which nigerian no surprise there Your true through. Emma man who just went off saturday. That fucking the jake. Paul had one point five million dollars. Right that's crazy. That's great all driller on trailer with a weedy doja cat a trailer also has versus to miss. I'm i'm interested to see john make. Everybody has a platform like netflix is better partner patricia. Do something to some yo. Y'all call matt anytime you gotta talk for questions today. Dammit swing a missed so my ofo question of the day is how do you protect your piece Just kind of nine. A what a nine a nine. Oh a gun. Let me go. Bang took me a second to when i'm definitely got my peace and they haven't done it yet but i'm definitely about to start going to the shooting range. So that's that's the thing. Small arms in maryland. Which one marlboro. okay. I know there might be one of the nice louis but i watched. I've watched too many shows recently where the woman gives left at home alone and some terrible's happened to us but bat in the closet unlocked. We ain't got no keys. Fuck fuck case. What the facts But yeah that's danny a question weapons weapons okay at this moment as far as the the first the first piece by piece from violence right Marmara was more of a mental piece. Okay surveillance i wouldn't say weapon yet. I'm not mad at that though. Times right got something to protect. Best reaction yeah. I was just gonna say walking. I've been. I've been going on walks a lot yourself. It just ov- eyelid. Being a starting spring cleaning man has been a big thing for me over the past. Maybe seventy two hours. Just let you be purged. shit The new mattress. I've just gave a bunch of shit to goodwill before. I came here nice. You know what i'm saying like. Yeah i think it's just the right thing to do. It has so much shit that you're giving away. You know what. I mean like bags and bags of clothes. It's like you've got to give it to. You can't just ask you. Gotta you gotta pay up for recycle. This whole lot of negative in wheaton was probably in the next three weeks ever forget and middle school. I had this long sleeve sean. John shirt a yellow lettuce on it. I'll never forget and every year me and my mom we do the whole thing. We we give away things to goodwill and i remember seeing shirt was all my bid. I didn't mean to give it away but then it wasn't couple of days later show up to school and a homeboy has the shirt on and i remember sitting in a moment thinking like i can play the fuck out this or just let it be so i was like man nice shirt. Kevin talk shirt. Dopes are eric. And then years later you find yourself digging through that dope fines do should do so. I mean for me. I would say combination of combination of walking music. We know words like instrumentals jazz stuff. Like that at forty baby i dare. It is every every every every show. He got the ordinary people. Write something like a little. The little miles davis coal samba joint. Yawning talk about it. I don't know what you're talking about. Be modell ordinary people joint. Nah it's not just a it's horn on samba. Matt is matt has been on all day. We appreciate it is good to be back. Allow the last one for me would just be staying close to my tribe ling Sure i i pour into my mommy's point to meet and right way. Thanks yeah keep. Keep the circle tight. Keep a good tribe around you. I would also add to my list besides walking. I've been doing yoga back up. Maybe about a month ago yoga. I've been doing it every friday. And it's been great like yeah. I think health is important. Wellness is important. Like i'm not trying to be no yogi but it's important to like shit like yo. You know release which are feeling your body right now with this particular pose. That doesn't serve you for lease all the things that don't serve you. That is collected in different parts of your body and you see all social media all the time all these women between the shit but that should really hits hits hits different. One is is yoga. And it's like you're mentally and physically releasing right trauma Negative thoughts and securities shit. You didn't even think about is has a physical Manifestation on your body so taking time out to you know pay attention in your mind and your body and your emotions. Togethers has been really does for me so i would say. That's what's been protecting my peace. And i've been drama free for a little minute so i'm gonna keep. Oh yeah i'm gonna keep it going. Yeah i'm gonna go ahead and give them a tool of the trade Tool of the trade is Man honesty honesty and accountability. I have run into a couple of situations this week. Even watches building. Podcast network will definitely talk about it off. Podcast it's a very interesting situation but as i'm you know most the clients that i interact with our women and the that keep coming keep happening about men in the dmv area not being able to act professionally with women in these areas. That just keeps happening. It keeps happening keeps happening. So i have found that to have these open and honest conversation with the men who are in violation of these things or at least mean accused violation. These things is so much easier on my soul so much easier on my heart. 'cause i talk a lotta shit tuesday and thursday about women's rights in your whatever in protecting black women at all costs so Not living to you got to. Sometimes you know as we are all knicks on the precipice to be a better nigga. That don't mean that we'd better nick yet. So that means we have to be open and available to be honest tours. On niggers didn't hold on negative correctly for such so on cnn accountability to make sure you've also platforms that'd be more browbeat imo brown. Miss you checkout. We can make with tuesdays and thursday. Graham live and also right here on the bridge podcast network. Indeed yeah I would say. I won't be more made a great point Sows just thinking. If i should add onto that or just go onto my ship. Not only holding our our fellow knicks accountable but also as we are continuing to be better people even if we might not have done. Egregious acts is always important. Keep yourself open to constructive criticism from women to yup on small. Things saw the things that we see a small shit so that's an a super important as well to not just be honest with our negus but costly and opened up to an honest or having women women says women who we serious we have good relationships with to be honest with us in evaluating us I will recommend this week class pass. I was talking about. Yoga is good firm. recommend class. pass to me Is a good at that. You pay monthly or you can At hawk by credits. I really good right and apply those credits to different Businesses so you can spend a couple tokens to go to a yoga gym and do one session. As opposed having a sign up for a monthly membership at a yoga studio. Right you can Clean queen moms draw pops right idea cryotherapy about a week ago. You have class pass because hold on hold on. Don't want to great editor in chief of the washington former good morning. Good afternoon right there. I was able to do yoga. Cryotherapy session When i'm in new york. I'm able to do when i travel a lot. 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She's been doing cyber women wednesdays that's been going on we're starting at stuff back up. We just actually had a session last week but clubhouses interesting man like it was a big drop off at least from me generally and like i'll go in and do my poor eighty stuff my cyber conversations in my own room but i didn't really trying to happen other rooms right. You know since left out alone for a little while now. Great as we own the podcast. I don't like to hear random knicks. Talk right talking. Only to hear y'all niggers more would have you fucking with us. We appreciate it. Let's definitely keep listening But if you don't understand our fifteen at this array right. I'll say my to trade is a single tool the trade and know we discuss our homes last week. I would definitely say patient with myself is my tool the Because i don't know it's been an interesting couple months for your boy. A lot of positives a couple of negatives so you know and everything kind of last specially last week just felt just slightly off going well but just slightly off so just the patience of just allowing life to correct itself in to tag on that before we leave not holding grudges. Like i've been thinking about shit. A lot been seen bible verses in all types of shit different. You know different signs just like let us go. Do whatever it is you got so much more heady right now but for you to be holding from the past saying that bag lady. That bag man. Kind of complex. Let it go go. Give grace one of the great one of the close. I've been thinking about recently. I wouldn't call it a bible verse but it's like gospel ask So they're the to blessed to be stressed right and then the one. I heard recently to anoint. It to be disappointed so okay god bless survival week ways by ways we're pass the reveals that theme for the year. That's the one doing it to be disappointed vacation. 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Breakin Fast with Los Clientele

"Indeed we got extra people in the house. Yeah we got some dough people in the house. But i We're one man down. Shot out the be mo- most handling business today so Normally be mo- is our sound guy since we moved over to the bridge the washington and former. So you know all this. A commitment is usually ran by him so it took us a minute to get that setup we. It's been a minute since we've actually tried to interview these guys that we have in today. We actually tried to do this last couple of weeks ago. So you know. It's been a lot of different hoops and hurdles that. We've had to jump through tom. Tom just to get this right but we got it but we got we got together now. I feel like we ourselves sort of applause. Let me see if i get the soundtrack to what okay okay. That was the best to okay. You might be doing a little bit. Better than demo. jason. I welcome to over the shoulder. Man this is like a creative inside the actors studio but right inside to studio. Yeah inside the creative studio where we pretty much have a real conversation with dope creatives contemporaries peers and just talk No politics no bullshit. Right i know be mo- normally wrong cut in a much more smooth way but this is what it is so woken over to shoulder. I'm your host. When you co host backpack ma- aka money met you know paying my dad's my respect so i can pay it for and i'm also joined here today by my brother. Thomas the great aka the facilitated. Now i'm just i'm just gonna be causing the ball to my home fair enough but you know what i'm gonna let you run point today right because you brought these three gentlemen. So while she contain facilitate ri- ri- russia special guest. So yeah like i said. I'm out here facilitating today. And you know today. I use my platform with a few old homeys. So i'm going to introduce them. How i would like to introduce them right. And i've actually known these cast for like almost a solid decade this point actually so there's two individuals in the room. One one is goes by the name of heidi say what's up and then the other goes by the name of nate as fees and then we also got money for drugs in the building. They don't there sir so for me. This this one hit is near and dear to my heart right for me. I would say that. Like i came across these individuals actually through my college career right so i was at you for a slight fly period of time. Go rams and during that time you heard me me and hoti has some like mutual friends. So once i left. Vcu and i was kind of staying up with. What's going on i came into. I came to learn a bahati and how actually became the light. They opened. dc for me to be honest like like. I'm one of those people that i'll have to give respect when it's to appreciate appreciate so i came to learn about heidi right as i'm paying too high paying attention to learn about nature as i'm paying attention to g learn about 'em one platoon and as i learned about and platoon i learned about actions in every my mic enough. So as i'm starting to break this down right send his temple somewhere in the. I was listening social socialize minds earlier today. I know digging down one. But yeah so like i was saying this is near and dear to my heart like for me. This is like. Dc's version of wu. Tang were like i. I have to say it just like that. Were if i were to give it like to illustrate the analogy. I would say may jeez like a smooth polished version of odbc where and then how would be like method man right like lady love them. You know i and ladies love him. He just a smooth cat and can do anything. He puts his mind show But yeah man that's my introduction. Free shays though so just to summarize so these three individuals make up. Lows clientele has gone you sir lows clients records in a building. Yeah i just got caught up on some music over the past. Maybe two hours tom. Yeah some albums. Very dough product. That just jot from neiji. Am i saying that correctly. Show you know usa. Heidi under supreme what under supreme authority were and it was I was i was really I played a five song. Ep i right. It's five or six. Yeah yeah no. No the newest one. The news. I've listened to both but a tape came on much ryan. I'm talking about the join. The jess drowsy. Quarter first quarter. That's what it's called are particularly. I'm a fan of velvet that that's my favorite giant. Yeah probably do rings. I know like just the the. The owner of is like a smooth smooth move introduction. Just like r- especially recently. I've kind of been more listen into beats and and just kind of like the vibe of things not necessarily so much on the words and track wild too. Because i was talking about some shit that popped off between me and the young woman in that doesn't live in dc anymore and if you dig further you could find a story and the drama and not on my eyes. He paid since he deep deep deep down. Why you like that shot saying that track is a whole teabag pose saying i just give you a real challenge bag against only. Yeah that's all the other people who love who love inside. Bts if you go to my real man you could really see what that track is about. Velvet velvet do my favorite on that so far. Because i haven't gotten to can't lie yet. But tiffany's pat riley parrado. Why why you are so. I will say he's right in turn like you have or that you give off your music. Not everybody is able to give off and the fact that you're lyrical but also unorthodox but not forcing being unorthodox like it seems like there's so many different places like that. It's like chaotic. But it works. And that's what i really appreciate. It appreciate about your sound now. I think in contrast addition to storytelling yes under supreme authority. She was far. Got say i'm through really have enjoyed the project so far I will say like to get a to not having Like a primer to your music beforehand Tom-tom centimeter the album. The first five tracks. I'm like all right. I'm warming up. Push dawson as a single on as a as a feature on it. I'm like okay. I'm familiar with the artists And then once you hit that inner. Lou i'm like oh shit really turns out from the allude is like Probably my second favorite and then follow by high places which which money for drugs so we also have in the studio so yeah. I'm gonna stop right there and just give me a little background on a project. When did that release and just like you know. What was your purpose and the goals that you want to accomplish and releasing that project for sure so it was released a january of this year and really. Just get my feet wet man check the temperature see see. See how receive really because i haven't put out solo music Eight years ten years or something like that Robert turns i g five clive. Did i was. I wanted to get into that and basically be like at vcu. I was known as g. Five cloth klabin. My you know my birth name will not high even notice. Yeah then eight years later after. Vcu i had converted to islam. Change my name. Heidi and the story continues but It just picks up with that it just picks album really in You know it shows you where. I'm where i am now what i've been up to The growth Lyrically delivery wise Music selection like you said Having artist butch dawson g money for drugs then. We had some other features on there as well as young lady. Tiffany oh yeah tiffany and co which is like probably my favorite track. That was a cool on the record. Bonnie and clyde joint Yeah just just getting back to to to to to two hours and really who i am and growing into but when you when you talk about the interlude a lot of telling me favorite song on that album and it's almost like it's the it's the most unique or you know if it's like which does it belong in here right that one will probably be if it felt like the first. Maybe five or six tracks is like all right. I'm trying to feed my fans. Now that i got the context. It's like you wanna spend ten years. It's like it's like you know here's some different different tastes some different joints but then once it his interview and like two or three songs after that is like buckle down quick to the bread and butter what we do if you join us is so sonically mature and it's just mature definitely. I was going to say it's a beautiful landscape. Like when i heard that private i felt like a little green bahama is that you get uk. Okay five billion spy by no means complete landscape album 'cause i'm also a fan of his top five. Mary's i'd like there's all of us though and that's what brings together. We all fans got to be each other's favored that's beautiful town to my favorite to my favorite rappers from dc and right right speaking of ban from dc. All y'all believe right. I kinda give me give me give me which which neighborhood all that like. Third kennedy as ministry. Conscientious way uptown. Pops lives in the bronx. So like i was back. Lot is like a kid was never came to america and set foot in the bronx grand. Concours shit okay okay. Nebraska you coming to america. he was in the bronx. I believe so another day wasn't quite there wasn't my family came to america and went to the house uptown. We often from the town. You know so like you know. That's like that's one of the things i really does. Bring us together like that familiarity being for my neighborhood. Oh familiarity from being for my garage waiting on autumn saying. That's what brings us together. So did y'all start in money. Drop the latest project You know. I want you to drop that plug that everybody out. I got a project right now. Close smoke i. I dropped out before Before i signed with lows clientele. But you know. I got a new project underway grand. Total is coming very soon. So we're gonna look out for that guy nadon Also and then they which which which department which they would you from department. I'm originally from buoy. Okay and then it goes. Okay okay yes. Yes off of Tough month town. Dc from tacoma. Park current global and van buren street. Gotcha got down the street from a move for coolidge. She young and dumb. I spend my childhood though in richmond. Virginia move down there will My mom's left my pops. She took back down over jay. They were first grade. Came back came back like six or seven gray two thousand then and Yemen there it is and then and then for you howdy which neighborhood you from. Oh that was himself. Shot pen watching volume street in orland. I grew up a window decatur street. You know what i'm saying The offset joint last guy family. You know have to be too precise we get. We get the idea like you know powerful decatur street Yeah to expound on that if you from dc or from the area right no it segments within just layers even within here university you got dmv dc in even in dc. You got uptown south Southwest and even know baby so when when you break it down and foreclosures is like so important to mention because this is almost like template so our character right. The best way to put away sides different. Pg county mogo right but to to say we uptown. Have a group uptown. Usa is really us leaning on what we what we grew up with like the values that that we take from uptown. Obviously everything is not perfect uptown. But it's it's a known thing when you mentioned from uptown You know forgetting fly. You know for getting girls you know for staying out the way you know for a lee way for talking slit you known for on civility verson. That's why emphasized the smoothness when i was introducing you. Let me ask you. This is a lot of uptown. Elements obviously are crew but like what other dmv or dc base groups. That came before. Y'all really inspires your. Because when i get to know y'all for the past like twenty minutes i'm thinking like okay uptown uptown. Exo diamond asia x y. You all to see so. who will. Y'all inspired by you know like locally in also just like i see i hear elements from the bronx and whatnot but like we'll be top. Three in terms of they could be artists. Yeah groups that really helped shake just to pay homage. Nobody's real because i to be like okay. I mean i get that. I get the comparison. I be away a lot of those movements. What administration for people. Nah i'm a person. I'm give it to so what i'm saying. That's that's my man. I really ragas music on. It ain't too many people i would. I would recommend to somebody to be like if you wanna know how this sound. Listen to this you know. Excellent been doing it forever Just i guess speaking with people who precede us in a sense of honestly gogo. Yeah you know what i'm saying. Go to gogo movement. I'm gonna let them speak on it too. Because i think we all got three different types of influences birth Go go. I'm really influenced honestly by east. Coast boom bap music Southern you fucking with the griselda wave. Yeah talking with degrees out away. But i'm also fucking flight. Ninety shit you know like resulted is is not night. it's kinda like a refined elements. It's like loops and shit. I meant to boom bap. Beats that transition some sense that you know i a single on there and then hitting your head. I'm hearing you over the head with a to park Hook or something. So i'm man details bag you see that the hooks to man i appreciate it. I really which i'm using. I think natives over the hooks to. I'm excited to dive into is a smoke more smoke. I gotta smoke on the good old southeast breakfast breakfast. We call some bacon some eggs in nicely row. J. preface s. We call it. That's what we call hash. Care care can see different. We'll be past toggle. So what's it like to actually be. So you said you sign y'all assigned to a label. Only in right we your we we we. We rockefeller time. We all a really rockefeller time. God hash money cash money. J. and big no limit. We ought to you know surprising. Taken our destiny in our own hands now waiting for no handouts was. I look like so so this like this interview right right. It looks like a lot of self talk a lot of self talk a lot. A lot of confidence that comes from within a lot of Really wanting to feel more like you on the learning curve more than you know everything right right because we ever ever evolving year. Where you stand in our soapbox if you feel uncomfortable than you in a dangerous position wiseman knows he at all. Yeah you know so villi is really staying in a certain certain place where you will you always like. What's next what what more what cyber energy cannot tap into. That's bigger than myself. That can elevate. Everything is being created in producer. This point time. 'cause i imagine you're probably just run your own projects like i feel like. Dnv artists be a really good at being a project manager of our own project we either. It's important that you know that from. Dc i appreciate. I appreciate the umbrella but let's just keep it pillow right here this. This is d. c. Right here this is. This is uptown. Dc to one. Virginia rob won't be like the tri. Stay right i got it here. Ain't i wanna. I want to say something about the label thing. Because of us creating the labor was not just for us. You know what. I'm saying when you think about jay z. You think about you. Could you think about the bees as he says. I got this being. Then you gotta another be. There's another be but think about state property kanye west riana everybody who's able to come up under that label him. You know what i'm saying. They created in what the involve what they created what they evolved into who they got. Underway labels We thinking about legacy. I said everything Yeah we so we we. We really worried about a legacy. There isn't a record label. You can think of in dc right now if you want your son to sign i if you want to son to sign to a label you know where you're gonna go right so we create in a so five years from now seen years or whatever once we kill the game you know hussein. Speak down to exist resistance pakistan my son. You know what i'm saying. I got two of them. You know so. Best is what we own we. Don't we thinking about tomorrow. We thinking bigger we not. We not really can't compete with local. His innocence extinct coming up occasionally. Sick days super. These famous gave his interest question. Let's go with kids visas and obvious who when the camel for this time time preening cost him with a copy account. Nukem coffee will really cost me. If i just my whole g dropped we talk for the monkeys out. Lease said as i want to go there. I was also seeing for the esco service of south special. Petro's with mixed pensacola up. So away from dc talking swain hardly needed to say space suits says should talk show nfl. I think the fact that you'll have an actual labelling running like a machine is a competitive advantage is actually like nick before we actually started recording. He was like damn. I even realize the project that put distribution is actually out on a platforms. But it's like that tells me that are already putting in the work to distribute projects fats at a platform. So is that a normal thing that shall here among peers. In terms of really being savvy today with being able to distribute your music to the platforms where the most people can hear them or. Is there kind of like a lot of middlemen. Still that need to help a lot of these artists. Get to that point. I mean i feel like everybody is really everybody's everybody's out there you know it's not a secret it's not. It's not secrets you know. Everybody can get where they need to get If anything no. I'm really concerned about quality right because anybody can press a button with a debit card. But what's the quality of looking like. What are these rollouts right here. What about this the video. Like i'm really concerned about quality so more so more so of of how i think the question really is what the fuck you know like what is it. What is it really looking like. What's hitting on. How deep of a world are we diving. How much time is being taking to get to get into it. I hear a lot. I pay attention to a lot. But then i'm like dang i wish i was. You know someone so spent southern sites a little bit more but a year so we can. I don't really yet. Oh right right makes perfect sense. Yeah also see Managers that hold up stuff. You know what i'm saying you might try to. Dm somebody they say. Hit my manager. You hit the manager. They own they own stories. Regain this year. My manage all shorties or be short easy listening right now to reconsider. You're managing a riga city of management. Some of those guys video data mashed claim possible. Deniability back donna. Nobody would be but to be real though We look in the work. Man like it's too much politics going on clicked up. You got the pg county with the what they serve the county where you got south side. That's a whole nother dc rap lane right here like i say y'all dc artists based dc based artists which i'll work with a lot of va artists. You got bush on your project at baltimore. So i mean it seems like you know being firm in proud of where you're actually are from but still being willing and open to collaborating with people so yeah we As much as we like to be a bullish ourselves and write our waving know how how we can be we. We not blind and deaf. You know what i'm saying. We know other people are are talented And just pigeonhole you if you just don't work with people aren't aware if you are conscious now we got people. That's what i'm saying. We've got people who for whatever reason they choose to perhaps ignored us artists because they think they competition or they you know whatever the case may be but i think we focused on great work and whatever who be. We're going to work. And i think just know that the we're just gonna continue to get better and better in excellent excellent and it's really odd but for other people to get on where most stuff i know. I've been hogging all the questions i can keep. No no. I'm i'm letting them i'm letting them have. Their weather is long answers or just. I want them to be ready. So that's what makes it a podcast fair enough fair enough so obviously we're coming to the end of the pandemic air so to speak right. You're starting to hear that venues starting to open up at twenty five percent capacity moving fifty percent so live shows are gonna probably make a comeback. How big do you think you know king. Tell me that's gonna make in terms of and act on your your campaign your campaign in your plans for twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. I mean they would everything over the backup. It'd be a good look for is in general you know. I think a lot of artists loss out on a lot of exposure a lot of money opportunities and plays you know because of the pandemic. Unfortunately but you know i think with was also doing what we do with potty new music music coming out music coming out he shows. Everything's just gonna dishing right even more so we are like. I'm excited before. I feel like we talked about this a little bit two weeks ago when we had the false alarm but i feel like this pandemic has kind of shaking the whole table. Almost even it out innocent. Yes it's it's been a reset you know those people who were killing it in terms of events and artists and all the shit that was year in some change ago. What have you done lately. What have you got to help. What's going on now for show. I think this area specifically is is hard to get some shit to stick. You know what i'm saying. Now we have a lot of artists who been teetering on quote unquote star for years. Great lot of them. You can't mention the song you know what i'm saying. You can't remember song or melody but you know that. They've been you know guessing though some way in terms of what they've done. Yeah at a certain point right in the city right. And i forgot what i was going with this point. The point the point being is that We hard to stick you. Were saying yes. Staying power basically yet think like sometimes the image means more than the actual music year so they were saying quality so yeah to give back to the point. I felt like this is a big on branding but how many hits came out of here right within the even three years five years and and what are we. What is the criteria for what we call a hit right. Sashes is regional. Right we got obviously ari. Lennox came out ahead which is probably the most recent success Her rico nasty crew. Who's probably like the biggest true we've had but when we talk about endo usually you'll get an indie pop indie smash and people in atlanta probably bubble with the marriage and then you get signed or whatever but it just seems like here. We don't have a lot of people taking that leap. You know what. I'm saying so Beyond just doing shows We wanna we wanna partner with organizations kennedy center We wanna partner will the bridge so to speak the bridge. Dc tv washington post. We about really creating culture. Here shot up to the home team. The washington informer slashed bridge. Absolutely record out of now. Lafayette shot up. So shout out to everybody. Involved in this Bars bridge podcast network coming soon. Bunch of other podcasts. That'll be recorded out here fat. Also don't let me let me get into my question bag right quick so we say speaking of styles and different things which also you have like an east coast type style like how. How would you definitely heavily. Honesty is i would say i would say it's almost new york. You know what i'm saying. I'm not gonna hold you we. I'm unapologetic about it. Okay let some degree depend. Obviously if you listen so you'll hear my slang and my voice and my accent you'll be like all right. This is a dc. Do but when you see the cadence when you see the delivery style all of us you see that we probably learned from ray quality. You probably learned from jada. Jada kiss house We are real right there. We like how as he is. You know what i'm saying so that'll be that's the base. You know what. I'm saying. I'll i'll let i'll let me money speak morning but about who they influences the who. They think it's definitely that claw you know. It's hard to tell it's like it's like super east coast today hard to tell but yeah i can't i can't fully take 'cause i know it was the environment that i was around. You know Because i'm a eighties baby late eighties baby so i had older siblings and they was listening to you. Know who tang knives z. My big brother. He liked he liked me may wet so he was listening to light park dogs so it was a lot of ships. Come from me. But then on sunday morning moms is playing anita baker and shot a She she listened to so a lot of people came up on funk in dc. Mom jerrell averts the luther vandross. Yeah my mom was really big and so seen wayne play a lot of parliament funds. The delhi light so love and respect but just that wave you know so all of that comes into play a for like for me when it when it comes to the pay. Oh i remember. I remember the first time i wanted to you i was. I said i was a little little exam. Somebody say what it came from movie. It was planning a background. Remove the movie called black and white right in the scene. It was right quantum he was in his. He was in his law condo and he was reading off of a legal pay acapella and i heard the sea and like it was the first time i heard english but i didn't even i didn't know what was b