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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 4

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 4

"Go home. Boone stro- or how that rhythm of the stroke. This face Travis is making this amazing all requests Wednesday devel- Jameson big fan of the show on Twitter wanted to hear parliament aqua boogie with. Parliament, man, I know parliament, okay? I didn't know this was parliament parliament. This was smoking Dube's back today day. Well, George Clinton jagged being no it was illegal. Yeah. So therefore, it was frowned upon. Yeah. Nowadays. So funny. I'll leave it for going to preach brass nowadays what you can start a multimillion dollar industry. All right smoking, a Doobie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna come on. What are we doing? I we have to update Raja's poll. What's the status of your poll rush? Well, the question is how's your pull look trapping? I'd like my. Well, we asked Jesus Jess is it, okay? To get lit on Easter, which I firmly do every year we have a little barbecue churchgoers, and we just get down and the questions are the answers were. Yes. Brain the drank. No or prey on it. And a sixty six percent of the people have Cives. Yes. It's okay. To get lit on Christmas and Luis Flores it Yanni Jesus was coming to. Pick up on the way there. Yes. So Easter any of those holidays that are religiously oriented at least at their origins. Are about family to a great a great degree and drank and being around your family makes you want to drink. So I'm okay with that. I guess for me when I hear the word lit up thinking music plan. We go. Yeah. Why not which will be samba? What is it? Like a funeral. No. It's a celebration. The resurrection elebrate with their resurrection. Yeah. Little Jason was the freedom from the very thing that you bought the baby up in. L D And Easter eggs hidden with special things in them. Rogers, Paula was made possible by Buffalo Wild Wings, wings, beer, sports. So it's not really. So it's not really jelly beans inside the no, not those kinds. Isn't going. And celebrate your holiday the way you want to. And you know, what else we celebrate on this show? It's time for jeez. Headline. Our canoe. On this national haiku, poetry day keys. Headline is presented by sprint would almost a haiku. Icu Cocco do Kakuta do so at the car wash. Car wash in, you know, weird first of all we're car wash because the car wash that I went to is at a gas station, but the gas station doesn't control the car wash. Okay. Right. I mean is like it's a gas station with a car wash. But the car wash has nothing brew separate with the gas station, you know, paid at a separate location. Then I went into the store to get some some water or some sugarless red bull sugar free red bull in an I asked for change to make sure I could give the tip to the guy washed the car two points in the side. He goes not the same business. We don't give change. I'm like all right, man. So let me by the red bull. Forget it. I don't you know. So then I go outside to call are sitting there just sitting, you know, wind blows, you know, it's been a windy racist Thurday so win kind of blows a little bit. So it blow pass. It goes past me to win. Just blows into the bench long bench. But the ended mentioned is to people to the left of me. But it so the person closest to me, I couldn't see the other person on the other side of that person that person was a large person. So it was blocking could smell it pass me. So I looked down there. They now near smoking week at the fine. Do what you do is LA you live your life. So they blowing Kay. He started arguing with her. The lady started arguing with the guy that she was with. Okay. Because I think she was taking too many puffs. And she was she wasn't passing. Sharon, she wants. His share? Why can't say that's rude. This out to sit hold your hand talking though, that's what she was doing. So she said they're talking here. Did she with the take another puff? Do got mad took for. So I'm looking now, I'm nosey. I'm looking I'm smiling. I in any asked me said, I'm like man, I'm cool. I'm straight. I'm straight because he asked me if I wanted to listen to ks PM, Los Angeles. Puff with him. I'm like, no cool dog. I'm just getting my car wash me. I'll go ahead this LA. You know, y'all do your time. Right. So, you know, you got to a full fledged argument because this is true because he took it from her, and he was holding onto it. Then he wanted to share with me, but did want to share with her. She had his second only for probably ten minutes. You know, we we. Yeah. Yeah. The. We. It's rude right now. I don't know if they're the book some of the funniest stuff I ever see clearly is as etiquette etiquette to this thing. And Acklin if you don't know the etiquette you wear raise, right? Mom and dad Intel you the proper way of seren- the Doobie sticky with the group there's etiquette to just about everything. You may not know. But somebody needs to teach it to you. Yes. As the first time, whether it's that or whether it's on the golf course standing in somebody's putting you got somebody needs to teach you the etiquette. Don't know. Maybe he was just trying to teach her the etiquette of this funniest I wish I could videotaped it thing of. Yes. Tip that homeboy wash your car on them. Yeah. I care for sure he was straight. He was a young do talking to me. I was just laughing at the week Motors. That was the funny part to me. I don't know about share. My we even with like a celebrity. I'm sure he looked like oh shoot anonymous pick even knew or was he just was shiny like now is my live shiny like like properly. I don't wanna maul crack like you gotta use the little the bone. Pretend using the Jack black football. Do you know what I'm saying? We're, hey. Two. I do too much, and you ain't protect it. See Little Brown about the NBA player. Yanked off the air here. Start with Lonzo. Let's start with Lonzo. Being the latest to kind of confirm. What went wrong with the Lakers at the NBA trade deadline Lakers fan. So again, this is a huge honor. I mean, I know you're happy. I'm happy that trade like every NBA players like hope, I don't go like I love LA so much. And so this is great when when you got to stay in you posted this on the greatest. Treatment wasn't in my right one. Zero. Recorded. Did you play the song and record this good? Were you planning it the whole time, you're planning it that day? I would've said that day. I mean, I think it just happened. Just a phone. I said it's right here. I'm like, right. Hi. Boy. Mechanical Mark, those that we was that contract. All all the guys. We're kind of thinking about it. Yeah. I think that kind of leading down for a little bit because you know, everybody's name. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda messed up some things why why the sons that you know, you kind of put out there like I love to go the sons of their players on that team that you decide to play with buttons teams that Kate like a lot of stuff. Just started coming out. You know, obviously, I wanted to be in LA, you know. But today, I just wanna play so wherever that may be you know, it wasn't a big does me, but my primary choices does good to know. It's not a big deal to him. So when he's moved. Yeah. That's not what he said. There's a couple of things in there that I liked never one is that I liked it. And this is not exclusive Alonzo, but Lonzo certainly qualifies for this that there they took ownership of the fact that they didn't handle it. Well, the it's known as that didn't get it that had nothing to do with it. It was that they're taking responsibility for the fact that they didn't handle it. Well, I think bodes well for whatever adversity might be coming up next. And I think that that's a good sign and the other part of it is is what he said at the very end there. That's look there's a lot of places to play. And maybe the next time. This comes up he'll realize that look this is a business. I'd rather be here than be somewhere else. But I understand that this is life as a professional athlete, and I'm going to have to deal with it. The his answer weird from kouzmine earlier we've heard from a handful of guys all of their answers. At least let me to believe that the next time. It comes up, and it will that they'll respond to it better. Yeah. I mean, the first the first cut, the deepest, right? So that they've bled. They've he'll at the got a star reminders. And then you keep moving. I didn't. Fault them for being upset about having to go through the process for the first time. We just a crawl team sports veterans who've never been through that go through similar sort of Funk's sometimes it's more public. Sometimes it's a performance thing. But when the names I mentioned it bristles a little bit. This is part of the reason why you know, kisha teasing about this last week a couple of days ago that you hear my both probably both when you I, you know, it's the Gumy's antics longest time to go through the system than other times. Anyway, you know and a half. The point is is that NFL coaches NFL teams are very protective. And the always say we don't want distractions outside that can interfere what we're trying to accomplish as a team the trades. The rumors traits was a distraction clearly and undermined just like the injuries the team cohesion. And I'm glad to see Lonzo say that he's got the scar. He's moving on. I don't think he's going to be traded. But if the is he's going to be in a much better position away in ways in which he handles it in. That's probably true. But the way that they went about getting, you know, the trade noise and stuff like that from everything now understand it wasn't necessarily any one particular person in any organization that was floating out all of the stuff every time you look up. It was like a third party that got involved somehow and got a lot of information. It was floated out there about the trade. But look at the end of the day. No matter what I always say this, and you guys laugh about it. No matter where you're at in your career. What city you in you know, they do banks. They do this the old start to feel like the world is against you. Because you moving from one destination to another I Bank in Green Bay. You didn't like that one? Fargo and the only had chase. No, no, the difference is I didn't wanna play limb dreamed adult wanna play in Green Bay. I don't wanna live in Green Bay. No, they're not because exactly so nice. Try rod. But key. I get it. The money's the money, and you're going to get paid no matter where you are. But the first time, and again, I'll say the same thing last time the idea of most of these guys whose was a little bit different 'cause he had to take a different route. But for Brandon Ingram and Lonzo ball. These are top recruits. Go to go to UCLA who the number two pick overall that everybody for their entire life through high school in a you and everything else. I love you. I love you. I love you. I want you all my team, whatever it takes. I want you here for the first time somebody said, I don't know. And they didn't know how to respond to it. It's gonna take a moment to figure that piece out. And and hopefully, I think they did. So when they come back in June in the moved. Know what they're gonna do. I think they'll handle it better the second time. Okay. Three months removed. They'll handed a better. It's not the time. It's the experience it's having gone through it the first time, you do something is usually not the your best reaction. It's when you've been through it a bunch of times that you know, I know how to handle this like you discipline, your kids, or whatever it is. Sometimes. Yeah. Oh, man. I didn't do that. Right. And then the next time it comes up you handle it better. You get a better result. Exactly. And and you know, depending upon who trained at where it may be a better situation for them. If for whatever reasons they decided move be I and try to get Anthony Davis Roberson now be I you're a twenty one twenty two euro old player who's the primary focus or at the very least clear secondary focus of team. You get a chance to develop and grow an opportunity that may not have been here as you stayed and you might have done somewhat mixed up in shuffling. I don't know. I just know that there have been plenty of situations in which trade has to not to be a blessing just as victims. Depot he's traded to Pacers. All of a sudden now, he's an all-star angel. Russell Dangelo Russell. So every trade isn't just a desk. That's that's they can't recover from. Sometimes it's an opportunity that she didn't know was coming. You. Do you said, you didn't know then you turn around and said, well, I do. No, no. I just gave examples as why I don't know because it could go either way it's like the fired. This the best gonna happen to you. When you got kicked out the door, you're thinking, no, this is not good. And then later like what it worked out. All right. But haven't been kicked off the original morning show you and Kelvin used to do it. It happens. The great, Arianna 'Grande. Thank you next. Thank you next. I had the experienced. Thank you for experience. I've grown when they catch. You. Really great. George. Thank you next. She she got George. Man. Yeah. Right. Chris, by the way, the NFL schedules coming out of five. NFL require or tell them about that request Wednesday. We had well, I don't have in front of you read it. Laura's basically said can we request? No, more George on the radio at all. That's. Auto show. Comes out. Listen to it at three five this schedule. Oh, Georgia comes out of five Harry yesterday. Don't you remember? Yes, I do. But just saying this Georgia's show because he's going to have it on this afternoon to five PM or is he going to have the twenty twenty NBA schedule replace that. You leave him alone. And then you do that. All right international part of the schedule is already out who is going wear. The Rams are on the road. We'll tell you where next happy birthday Jennifer garner. Jennifer garner forty-seven years old today. How do you get away with that? Oh what? Oh, yeah. You still Rick Travis no rig. It was a different time. Where did I get it? How did he? A deal. Everybody done. Jennifer gonna forty seven today birthday is brought to you by Jaguar Land Rover. Newport Beach off the seventy three a the visit land Newport Beach dot com. Land Rover above and beyond. No and top of the list. No. Natural beauty. Yes. I'm on that one. I'm a pun on third now. Drop her off salon and should be done to twenty minutes. I'm not putting she won't be getting stuff caq big fan. Yeah. Yeah. The entire NFL. Schedule comes out at five o'clock today, and you could hear right on Sodano this show that we'll be the topic at five o'clock so internet. Donald schedule is out four London games the bears and the raiders on October six the Panthers in the bucks on Cobra thirteenth the Texans and the Jags and epic AFC south matchup on third and the Rams will be back in London. They were not on internet. They were on it. But of course, got cancelled I didn't go to Mexico back to London this year to take on the Bengals on October twenty seventh around got a lot of traveling on Hawaii for pre-season London London. Oakland plays the bears. Yeah. That's gonna be an interesting. Yep. Jon gruden. Reunion. Tele Murray try to skate Cleal. Do you see the leak about Thanksgiving Day? No Cowboys in Dallas. They say they say that dropped yesterday on Twitter. That'd be good. That's a good game. I think I could see myself skipping thanksgiving for that game. Yeah. Go into the big d for these. I don't that's the second game. The Cowboys are always the second game on thanksgiving lines Cowboys and then an extra Cowboys tonight games. One. No one. One nine or Seahawks. Also, not bad. Little. But the Rams the Rams have done the last time. They went to London they handle it, really. Well, they beat Jacksonville. And they stay there for few days, and they go to London they beat the cardinals on the comeback card. Carson Palmer broke his arm in that game. It's just a disaster for the cardinals. But the Rams have seemed to kind of figure out that international peace pretty well out. Imagine, that's hard international peace. They figured out the road. Yeah. They're great error. They don't use a lot on the road. And so I'm not sure what it is a could be especially early on Travis. The fact that homed in fill like home. So he always felt like they're on the road. Anyway. So maybe they don't notice the difference because was depending on a home court of home food advantage. I don't know. But the fact that Sean McVay is a new head coach key comes in and is able to keep his team so focused on a road that even if it's international it doesn't bother them. Even if as international and plan the Jaguars airs on the court was that. Say I'm saying. It. It's not just for small jazz. Season nationally, not regular domestic travel air. You Jaguars Daego the championship? But they were not good at the beginning of the season. They were just kind of you know, trying to figure it out. But it was the Jags was the cardinals. I do think they'll the Rams the is something a road record. The something about knowing how to prepare when you're away from home that gives you a benefit, and you could take advantage of that now whether or not it's time change, and you're going to bed early the hotels and things of that nature. Whatever it is that doing right tells they certainly are been in the plus category on the Rome blown out on the road. No, the unless you're in Chicago game last year Coyote was gonna blow the blow on it wasn't a blood. But they got they just couldn't do anything. Right. It was the score was not bear. A bear. Couldn't do anything need. No. It never felt like the Rams are gonna win that game. No. That was a game code outside. It was very cold cold apps. What's next key? What's next because this is a team that they fire. Jeff Fisher, they come in and the expectations are none. They win the division. And I think everybody was pretty pleased with that. Then they came back last season. It's okay. You won the division. But you lost in the playoffs. Now, let's see you make some noise in the playoffs. They did that they got all the way to the Super Bowl and the obvious answer would be win the Super Bowl, but what what are the expectations for this team? Is this a team that are the Super Bowl or bust group at this point exclusively of we already elevated him into that thing that if you don't go to the Super Bowl and win then well you had a bad year. If you don't go to win, it's very tough to get back to zero one way or another, but it's tough to get back in and try and win because everybody's everybody's gun in for you right now. And they're all they're all zoom hunted. This they're paying attention to what you're doing. We're retooling Seattle's retool. San Francisco's going to pick some glares up in the draft their retooling Arizona just be with Arizona is. But there's other teams like the New Orleans Saints. That are looking at you right now said you got away with that one last year because that was supposed to be us in Atlanta eagles the fish. They're all retooling coming get you. So the Rams have got to do everything did last year and more. They've gotta run faster. They've got a jump higher got to study more teen at three I understand, but thirteen and three you'll be fine again this year. But you gotta do all of those little things to get thirteen and three rush. That's right. You know, one little things you have to do is pass. And you know that gets me thinking of Travis what? Last. That's right. The NFL schedule is coming out today, and you know, Puerto Bax league. Now, that's what they say. That's what they say. So can you guys name me the top ten passers in terms of yards in the NFL last season? Go ahead trashier the defending champion on go ahead and take a gun Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes bonus points for number one. He was not number one. If you believe it or not. Let's say Jared Goff up forty six hundred. He's number four. Drew Brees droopy is very company would your chest out. And you know, what year it is do you realize? You do what he said coach. Ars? He is not because they run the ball. Run a ball for about thirty nine hundred your no, Nope. Sorry. Yeah. Not really that. We got to check that. Jag off to forty six hundred so five thousands of you know, they're gone, then then a review now for the most part, I'm telling you drew Brees threw full at least thirty eight thirty nine four thousand your hat to and a lot of people don't for five thousand now knucklehead, that's why do you know? Do you know what you mean to tell me that he couldn't fall off telling new he's thirteen? Okay. I see this right here. Michael. He's over. I would've said drew Brees to well. You would have been wrong with a wrong. Thirty nine ninety two. Yeah. That's that's like back when you played. That was good going into Travis. Matt Brian Matt Ryan. But number three bounceback, three z. Miron bonus points for number one. Remember bonus points number one. I must say Kirk cousins Kirk cousins, let's see was behind but not number one number ten barely snuck in there. Barely snuck. In there. Travis. We're looking for the most passing arth last season by quarterback. Andrew luck, Andrew lucked. Now, you said that would just I missed some games. Ran the ball. I'm sorry. But that is incorrect that means. About what? Setup. From drivers. I've one last man standing ten times in a row now shows up not it's been a while you have defeated the defending champion Travis. How do you feel today on a special day hours turning name at Tom? I was speaking about the yards passing. Jimmy Garoppolo him to the game's over. I'm gonna say to Shawn Watson on the list right on Watson's. Probably good. Guess I'm watching this probably on the list number one Cam finish. Campbell. I don't think John watts. Rothlisburger was number one being out this burger. James they were behind they had to pass stay in. It course, bell wasn't there. So Connor did a good job. But they had to ask Andrew lucky said you said Angela right at did. Yep. When you said he wasn't on the list. Yeah. Well. Mac. Hold on. Thank you. Thank you, the right. The rightful owner. You'll go. Had face on yesterday's might have to reset the game. So we gotta pick up where we left. I get the Bill. Today. So Travis Scott that one picking up next year. Yeah. Can't say been Bergman rothlisburger. That's right. To Shawn Watson. Number eleven. I'm sorry. Your. Oh, yeah. You're a car built for the second time one day. You're the first two time champion and one day. I African American two time when Chevy. Coach do not to let the referees. I just wanted to focus on what we were doing as a team. Brian win horse has a new book and some keys on coaching. Lebron James you'll hear from him next. Are we to movie theater? Okay. No. Where the basketball? Lakers are still looking for a head coach. Obviously, there are candidates out there joining us right now, Brian win horse from ESPN and also the author of the making of a billion dollar athlete. Lebron inc. Joins us right now. Good morning, Brian. How are you? Good. Thank you very much. Hey, what's up? How you doing? Very well. Thank you, man. It's been a last I will say the last two weeks have been a little bit of turmoil around Laker land here lately. And now we're now faced with trying to find ourselves not only general manager front office guy. Rob Pelinka doesn't retain that spot. But we also are looking for a head coach and the names that keep popping up or John Howard, obviously money Williams as along with the old Cleveland, Cavs coach coastal Bronco championship in tie. Lou who gets the nod in why? Well, first off the Lakers have some questions to answer that they're going to have to answer any candidate. And one of the things that I'm a little confused about is Rob Blake is out conducting interviews, and nobody seems to know whether he's actually going to be one making the higher now if he is going to lead the basketball operations department, then say, and he's what you say publicly. Are you say to the candidates they have to know that the God they're talking to was going to be their boss because if it's not you're all ready to be on shaky footing before you even get started. How can you do an interview with somebody? If you don't one hundred percent, they're going to be the ones to signing on the job. So that's a big factor. The second factor is it seemed to me like magic was, you know, leaning towards time Liu and that that this. If magic was still sitting the chair Tyler baby the coach today, but as long as they're going to this process down, which is what rob seems go on. To do that. I I would say slow it down. There's the possibility that other coaching situations. Other coaches may become available depending on how the playoffs go. And you may you know, you if you're not gonna move fast, you may wanna sit back and see how that develops. But if you take these three candidates that we know that they're going to talk to all three of them have something in common. They have all been around or coached the branches before. And that is obviously something that the Lakers are targeting is an important factor. Because to know the Braun is very important to have his respect is equally as important Bryan have alias comedown and kidnapped genie because you haven't heard from her during this entire process. Well, I'm okay with her speaking publicly, but I would like to see something stabilized before the organization again, you know, either begin to either say, you're going to go after a new president and begin to interview those candidates or say, the rob is the guy being even if you don't believe the rob is the guy and even if you have a problem with that decision. I think it's important for them to at least make the decision, and they're sort of in this limbo in in this limbo world, and they're actually in in a spot where you know, I was interviewing with them for coach I would have more questions for them than they would have for me. I would have all kinds of questions about the roster. I would have all kinds of questions about how they want their style of play to be I would have all kinds of questions about you know, you know, what their plan B C D was if they don't get the top three agents whoever runs. The Lakers front office has a lot of decisions to make and coaches just one. Of them. And that's something that if I was coming to take that job. I would wanna know with all those answers are Bronwyn ESPN joining us. He's also the author of LeBron Inc. The making of a billion dollar athlete in the the the decision that they make Brian to hire. The coach is a decision based on what's going to work best for LeBron. Or is there also an element of what's going to happen post LeBron with this coach, or is that just not even a factor in this at all no way into that. But like if you look at what the what the kings just with Luke Walton? Okay. What we know about Luke. We know that he likes to play very fast. And we we know that he really tries to stress defense. Although it didn't work a lot this year. But they were and every time they were good. He just in. He just decided coach team that is built for speed that has one of the fastest point guards of ever seen and entire roster. That is constructed to move very fast up and down the court, regardless what you wanna say about the kings organization. You can see what they're doing. You see that there? Players match the silent their coach wants to play. Now, we get to the Lakers. What is their style of play? What is the what is the way that they are going to build a roster to match what the coach wants to do. What is the plan with LeBron James relative to the free agents the to bring in and what I mean by that is this if your the Lakers, do you sit there and swing for the fences, and and wait for these other stars the maybe phone to your lap or on July. First the you actually do what you didn't do last year which was go out there and sign players that are really well fit next. Lebron you go out and look for a guy like Danny green who I think would be terrific playing alongside LeBron. Do you look at a guy like Seth curry do. You look at a guy like Robin Lopez. I think would be awesome playing center for the Lakers or you try to go back and get brook Lopez. The kind of stretch big man that LeBron has plagued with his whole career bent successful. Or do you sit there and wait for Jimmy Butler? Just tell the Sixers know. Kemba Walker tell the Hornets. No, like, what is your plan to me that everything like we can sit here for the next forty five minutes and go round and around and around we think the tie Lewis better or Monty Williams, better, whatever. But if you don't have a plan for how to fix the roster. I don't care if the great John wooden ghost comes back and says he will coach the team it's not gonna matte do care because they're so cool. This isn't a Bryant win where he SPN. So when when you talk about the coaches, which one is better seems like to me in all of this Monte would be the guy because not only does he have a relationship through team USA will the Brian. He would have a relationship with several other players that played on team USA Neta freak that can become free agents and be available. Do you think that that is something that is also in the thought process of arou- Lincoln Jimmy buses, they make this higher decision within about Monte is he's his he's very higher spec. Did by other by players and everyone in the league. And that'll be that. That's he got fired in in New Orleans. He's been with the Oklahoma City thunder San Antonio Spurs. Another Philly seventy Sixers all three quality teams, and certainly quality organizations that he would have learned from. I think you're gonna get even better coach and you saw last time around. He's Willie specializes and becoming meant. Tres to these players. He's very inspirational person the story about him that really the fines him is terrible story of his player in New Orleans. Ryan Anderson who's fiancee committed suicide, and he basically held Ryan Anderson through that process acted almost like a father figure him through that process. He plays a role like that with his place that is his style. That is one of the things he does. He commands a room and to be able to be able to coach the Brown James, you have to be able to have his respect. And I think he would check that box. But again really comes down to style of play versus what you have on the roster. What would his plan B for Lonzo ball play alongside Brandon Ingram the play alongside LeBron James getting those guys altogether playing well is a very very important thing for this coach to do if that's the direction that they're going to go again, there may be some plan out there to alter the roster, and maybe that's an existing. But but if you're no matter who the coach. Is you have to have an idea. One thing I'll say about time Lou. I know how plays with the brunt. I know that the system he plays with the bronze works, and I know the kind of players that is that it would take the play that system. The lakers. Do not have those players right now brand you just finished a book that has out in the Braun eight making a billion dollar athle-. We know Jordan athlete, we know tiger that being an athlete they can make money whether win or lose is the brand that kind of athlete as well. Yeah. He's he's made them investments that LV that are that are really really paid off. The thing about his stand about LeBron when he was in his early twenties when he's in the league for a few years, he realized he was getting ripped off. He's looking at his teams they're making hundreds of millions of dollars a year. He's looking at the league, he they're making billions of dollars a year, and he is making tens of millions. Now, he's doing very well. But he is not getting Representative share. He made a goal. I am not going to be a contractor the rest of my life. I'm not gonna receive. I'm not going to the last one at the trough in the Money Train. I'm going to be at the front end of a trough. So he has spent his last ten or fifteen years getting the front of the money line, which means being an ownership holding equity in companies, he knows that you want the Brown James to be involved with your company, and you think you're just gonna pay him check. And he's going to go to a commercial, and that's going to be it. He's not gonna return your phone call you better be willing to cut him in. And part of this whole thing is designed to someday cream to have enough money that he can truly be cut in on the NBA. And that means taking an ownership position. And it's gonna be hard. And the only team nowadays takes a lot of money and has to be properly aligned. There's only been really a handful of former players who ever become owners magic is one of them and only ones ever been a controlling owner, Michael Jordan, but that's the past the Brun wants to go and considering he's been thinking about this for a long time. He's a good chance. He's going to get their Bronwyn Horst ESPN Inc. The making of a billion dollar Athen. Congrats on the books. Brian. Thanks. Thank you, sir. Thanks, guys. Have you got it? That is the missing piece to me was that that Jordan hasn't played in what twenty years the heck it is. We're still buying shoes. Tiger was awful, and he was still making Bank. When the Brian is done. Are we still going to rock with him like that good question too? Good question. All right Carl's junior has something for for twenty lovers that you're going to be happy about the bonus time nine forty six here on ESPN time. Check. It's the bonus half hour this. This could be the new bit Keyshawn phone this time. Let me ask you some radio awhile. How come they talk like that back in the day used to talk like that? Like, hey, everybody here on ESPN radio. It's just how it used to be like you want to sound announcer. Yes. Use your enunciate. Your words you wanted to be very clear and concise you're live in the jungle. So what I hear that stuff? Now, I just can't do it because I actually still might be watching some television and go to regular news or radio and their night on south central Los Angeles. I just like to be. We gotta be because that's what they leave. Right. That's the league. Channel. No matter. What no matter what lead with that were used to give me a hard time for the way. I talk. Well, you is just more country club country club tone. Hey up. Hello travis. Johnson. How are you doing great today? I'm gonna have to figure out what by after new like a missed my time. This morning is gonna check out the Sodano shells. Got that NFL schedule coming out five PM AM Sodano shin. This. This was an all request request a little Johnson this morning. In writing. Okay. Let's check it out. Not. Worry about that Johnson. I'm talking about what requested. That's for sure I've never requested a little Johnson. Those e about what what's going on in the world today the poll visit little go ahead. Yeah. So the poll is of course, you know, how we do in my house that girls resident we liked to get lit on Easter and we asked and is it, okay? To get lit on Easter. And an astounding sixty percent of the people say yes, bring on drink. All right, bloody Marys emotions mimosa, mooch Ladas, Michelin Michelin. Gonna get Muccio. Mitch lada. Rajas coal always made possible by Buffalo Wild Wings. Wings, beer, sports. I had one of those for the first time two years ago at Dodger Stadium. Yeah. They're good. Yeah. It was a lot though, you well, you don't like tomato juice knows fine. But just Seattle like tomato juice, really like that. Yes. Weird because I'll eat tomato soup. Yeah. But I don't like tomato juice that growing up as a kid that VA little can. Mother. That's why can't do bloody Marys mom you to have miniatures. You're not gonna like putting Mary's Mitch Ladas a problem. That's the second most important breeding. I could do it. But I guess that little VA tomato juice thing. Campbell, my mother, I could and I'm just looking at it made me like not like never get especially on the plane people that get the virgin, bloody Marys. Well, that's tomato. Choose with a little bit of season. They call it virgin, buddy. That's like I don't know about for that study, Mary you can do a greyhound key just greyhound grape juice vodka. That's good. No. No. Good. How dri greyhounds all now? Lit on Easter which I won't. But. I do greyhounds begin to relax taste like vodka like dick, smells, actually, one of the smells less only ninety gene gin, smells, those days. Smell you smell like a wine jen's made a comeback in my life. I used to not like it. I think the juice nuke dog days are benign dislike it on the rocks. James good. Oh, yeah. In summertime cheating old man porch. Man this and we're in the season. Now, the elves the you walk in it's warm outside Jin, cucumbers, use some type of citrus lime that is proper drink. That is really really nice. You guys have been with me. You know, wanna first things order, Jim Martine? It's my. What about the Nate? That's the first thing usually ordered the no it depends on the temperature outside the inside and women. I feel like at a dull tonight that's chain depends on what you're gonna eat too to a certain degree. Eating. Yes. Chris tease. You made a t you. Tell us Travis so Carl's junior. His got a burger coming out on four twenty which we all know what for twenty is in Denver, and it's April Rocky Mountain high cheeseburger, delight a test run for a CBD infused burger. About that. I'm gonna need some government changes. The sandwich will feature to beef Patty Santa Fe sauce infused with hemp based CBD oil picked pickled to be pickled jalapenos pepper, Jack cheese and Chris cut fries. Yes, in the thing is after you eat it, you're going to want to more sure. Wash it down that too. I think I'm the pass on that people out of jail. That's where I wanna know. Right for doing exact same thing colors. Juniors is doing they were putting in burgers opening never met your juniors. Hello. Do. Kurnia hide they have the taco the you're close. Komo's juniors. Keyshawn is right next to the supermarket. John. That's right. What else we got drivers? I dunno feel more minutes trap. Doing. Okay. I guess I can tell you guys about Kathy pond Dexter champion. Hiring after a great thirteen year career. She went to Rutgers. She was straight baller. Sure. You need pushed me spec than I don't know who she is disrespectful person. I don't know issue. Can no don't. Did you don't know how to? He's talking about winning Lakers gonna hire coach. No we're talking about hard exodus kit. Okay. John money Williams tie. Lou. They're coming in for interviews. Do you think by next week? They have a coach or do. They let the playoffs play out and see what else shakes loose. How you need to have a coach before you get to the NBA coach we saw you get a coach don't you have to hire an executive because look if MRs who was talking to yesterday going nowhere. I know. But he is he not gonna install general manager. He's probably going to install a figurehead the way the Jon Gruden did. But he's running the show now. So he's little fingered his way to the top. He's going to be the guy that hires the coach and then puts a general manager in there. He's going to hire the draft the players make the transactions and the general manager is going to be a guy that sits there and occupies an office. Not just sit there and occupying office help it will be someone who rob remember. There is very mcilvanney. What was happening behind? Yes. So whoever to me rob is going to and putting in these places that are vacant right now. They're going to be people who are going to be neutral at worse, but loyal to him or have you with him at best because he needs to make sure he makes himself insular. So I just believe that him in the beginning. Like he was magic. But they didn't know each other arrangements this. This is going to be for the most part this'll be an arranged marriage. No pick the pick the person. Yeah. He is going to pick the person. But at the same time what we deep relationship with that person was but he gets to pick the guy. So the guy barely be loyal to him because he put him in the position just like MAC. Yeah. But he's not he's not he hasn't been in the. This the internet internet the inner. Update because you here. I was simply say this does a reason why Juwan Howard ever game free thirty their relationship goes back to the fat five days. Griffis someone that he knows. Because of Cleveland tides. Cleveland those arrests not available in Orleans hired him. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. His name is someone that he knows that kind of you know, it is a little one. Or did you say when you say they want? Yeah. Yeah. As you know, it is available though, they may hump day. Boy. Sometimes he's daddy. On this show of the people today. We're celebrating home date by giving away a pack a four pack of tickets Elliott FC game every hour. This your last chance to win. Now. This Sunday, the F C they take on the Seattle. Sounders and they'll go head head at the California state him at four PM enough time for you to get lip for Easter. So how you can win. Call eight seven seven seven ten ESPN. Call seven who can answer this here who do the Rams play in England say Kishan road England mate Mariel Dingle over the pond. My mate yet go whoever they play you. Call us and caller number seven you win. Thank you. Everybody Keyshawn bonus time. Yes, right. 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OchoLive: Should the Cowboys be interested in Matt Bryant?

Blogging the Boys

14:16 min | 2 years ago

OchoLive: Should the Cowboys be interested in Matt Bryant?

"Nona. What up world? Welcome to another episode of Joe Locke is an Indian partnership is always espionage in blonde in the boys dot com. My name Arjo Choi me, of course, in BTV. And from right here is your Melissa on July. Watch live every day at about three o'clock central time on my Twitter. Periscope. That's at our Joa. You can also watch on live on the blog on the boys. Facebook live feed listened to the podcast version of the show at your own convenience. Subscribe on all apple and Android devices. Simply subscribe to the blog on the voice podcast feed. If a brand new episode of the 750 up and available for you with two time Super Bowl champion. Tony Casillas, Tony, and I talked about the Super Bowl have a couch compared to the patriots Kellen Moore and a whole lot more, no pun intended. It is Wednesday February six two thousand nineteen it is hump day. So happy hump day to you. And we did not have a chance to July on Tuesday my apologies. If you can't tell I'm a little sick a tiny little cold that I'm nursing. And in Tuesday was the worst of it. But it seems to be over thank God. And so here we sit on Wednesday. And it is officially the season that did not change in a matter of forty eight hours, and we have a little bit of news from an NFL wide perspective today on Wednesday. It was announced by by himself. Really that the Atlanta Falcons would not be bringing back veteran kicker Matt Bryant in two thousand nineteen the falcons later confirmed this, and it's been kind of the biggest storyline in the NFL of the day that kind of speaks to the world of the NFL in early February that a kicker not being brought back is is a big storyline. This is big because as Cowboys fans, we haven't had to worry about these types of problems in a long time. It's just kind of been a foregone conclusion that Dan Bailey is going to be the guy. He's going to be the kicker. There's not going to really be any competition of any sorts. But that all changed when the Cowboys finalize their fifty three man roster last season. And Dan Bailey was released in favor of. Brett maher. Now, there are definitely a lot of Brett Maher feigns around Cowboys nation. I think we all know that. But the reality is Brent Maher certainly has his own flaws Maher's field goal percentage in two thousand eighteen his rookie season twenty eight year old plane on a rookie deal are on his rookie season. Excuse me. He was any point six percent successful eighty point six eight zero point six percent successful. Brent Maher was in his first season in the NFL. It's worth noting that in the last three seasons that Matt Bryant has not been below eighty seven point two percent when it comes to his field goal. Accuracy. That's quite a difference meant Brian only missed one field goal last year. They're definitely going to be a lot of teams who are going to be interested in Brian's services. I think you look at the Chicago Bears, obviously would have with Cody park. You could be very interested. Maybe in the Minnesota Vikings who signed in Bailey after the Cowboys cut him, but more than anything. I think. What should be mentioned because Brett Maher does have a bit of a deep leg. I think we all saw that at different times. And Brent Maher suddenly came in clutch for the Cowboys. He had the big game winner against the Detroit Lions, and coincidentally because we're talking about that Bryant had the game winner in Atlanta against the falcons, although he obviously did hit one off the upright in crunch time against the Washington Redskins after that snap and fraction. But looking where were mar struggles. Specifically, it's between attempts of forty and forty nine yards. Brent Mars attempting the field between forty and forty nine yards as a little rough for Brett Maher. He went seven of eleven their last season's four misses between forty and forty nine yards for whatever reason Brett is just a little bit more accurate from beyond the arc so to speak now in that range from forty to forty nine yards. Matt Brian has actually been pretty solid in the last three seasons. He is twenty-five of twenty six between forty and forty nine yards. So Matt Bryant kind. Has the range that Brett Maher struggled with down to a pretty accurate level? And again, this is new territory for the Cowboys because they have not had to consider different picking options, and they kind of lucked themselves into Brent Maher last season. So the question is if it were up to you, would you rather have Brett Maher or Matt Bryant kicking for the Dallas Cowboys in two thousand and nineteen. It goes without saying that Matt Brian will beating more expensive option again because he likely is going to have suitors but the question from Aaron by the way on periscope. Why do they cut him? It's just a matter of impracticality for the Atlanta Falcons to Matt Ryan they have Giorgio Vecchio on the roster who who played well in Brian's absence this past season. You might remember Giorgio from his days with the open raiders as well. But we put up a poll about this on blocking the boys dot com. If you wanna go vote you can and so far fifty nine percent of the votes prefer Matt Bryant can. Kenneth on periscope wants to know how old is met Brian's Brian's been around a while he is been kicking in the NFL since two thousand and two with the Atlanta Falcons since two thousand and nine so he certainly has quite a plethora of experience when it comes to putting ball through the uprights and the NFL. But again, you know, it's it's hard because the Cowboys don't have a stable option like they have had in so many seasons before Christopher summers on the buses Facebook live. I'd rather have Bryant, and that kind of seems where people seem to prefer Ostra people seem to prefer excuse me. Because Brett Maher has people not feeling great. Brett Maher kinda Dan Bailey in two thousand seventeen struggled a bid down the stretch for the Cowboys. And he feels a little hard to trust. And that's not the worst thing in the world. Honestly, I mean, you know, you're going to miss kicks, and you're gonna miss extra point. So the NFL works these days, you're never gonna have somebody or it's really unlikely. The you're going to have somebody that Dan Bailey was for so long rarely going to kinda run into that guy. It's just money after money after money Justin tuck in Baltimore's kind of the best example of that. And certainly a rare bird, no pun intended there. Gary to Facebook live feed says I'd rather keep bread mater, and that's another option if you'd rather save two million dollars allocate that towards an extra defensive tackle towards an extra linebacker towards an extra safety. Whoever you want to put that money that is certainly one line of thought. However, and we talked about this with Dan Bailey release and all that that went on over, you know, six months ago now kickers matter and people roll their eyes to say, I don't care doesn't matter kickers, etc. Blah, blah, kickers matter as evidenced again, by the fact, I think about that the games of the Cowboys played in two thousand eighteen they should have been able to kicked a game winning earliest game or have you wanna look at that feelable in Houston against the Texans. Obviously, they punted how that game went down. They did. Have to kick a game winning field. The Detroit Lions they did have to kick a game winning field while against the Atlanta Falcons their game against the Washington. Redskins came down to a field goal kick. The Cowboys played so many one possession games that kicks and field goals and extra points are super valuable. You cannot just have any all generic kicker. I think right now Ben Maher is in the you know, maybe the bottom of the second third of NFL kickers right now. I don't think he's a top third congressional. He's even in the top half. And so you really have to consider what you wanna do there. Because that position is extremely important any position that can influence the number of points or team scores is so valuable and it's so critical. And that's why this question this subject is so interesting because it's not every day that kicker Brian becomes available. Although to be fair it was just last season. The Dan Bailey became available. Although that was in the finalisation of rosters not way early on in February. When teams could really take a cold hard. Look at it. There's already reports the Matt Brian is expected to be somebody that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers interested in obviously the bucks have had their own trials and tribulations with kickers certainly the Roberto Aguire days, Matt Brian actually started off his career starting up ahead an early part of his early career with made buck nears. And so I think this is certainly worth considering if the Cowboys because again this position matter so much aired on periscope says I like bread, but he's not trustworthy. Robert on periscope says you only fifty three spots can't waste on the kicker. I think Roberts addressing somebody had floated the idea of having both on the roster. It's been a long time since the guy was too kickers on their Oster. I'm not a proponent of that Gary on a log on the Facebook live feed says Maher will mature and settle in. There is a live and thought to that maybe Brent Maher had some rookie struggles. And maybe he'll be back are maybe he'll get to a proper form. We did see stretch time when he was super consistent super reliable before he got. A little bit rattling beings kind of change to a degree. But you have to consider it you have to consider. You don't have this money option that you've had in seasons. Pasaden- Bailey, Stephen Watkins, combating that point on on Facebook live says he'll mature he's twenty nine years old again, it's not like Brett Maher is this twenty two year old, you know, young player that has a lot of time to develop a great point by Stephen that he is a little bit of an older player. And so you can't necessarily trust that he's on the same career aren't that? A lot of other guys are there's a lot of proponents for finding a player fresh college, maybe drafting somebody and other undrafted free agent. Dan Bailey was but you have to look at this. You have to look at this long and hard because this is going to be such a pivotal season for the commerce as we've discussed Jason Garrett and during a contract year first year off of quote, entering kellyn more. There's a lot to look at this. And you're a team if you're the Cowboys you don't have a first round draft pick. I wrote about this today of blog on the boys dot com. The last time that the Cowboys did not have a first round draft. Pick was not a lot of fun. You'll remember that in two thousand and nine thanks to the trade for ROY Williams and other receiver the Cowboys did not have a first round draft pick. And in fact, they traded away their second round draft pick on the draft. Again. The Cowboys did not have a first or second round draft pick ten years ago, and they put together a draft it consisted of twelve picks in two thousand nine that was quite gross. If you have been watching the Cowboys for the better part of a decade at the very least you'll remember that the two thousand nine draft class for the team is one of the worst in franchise history twelve picks and not one to really be proud of. And that kind of goes with today's theme considering drafted David dealer to be sort of secondary kick kick off specialist and deep ball kickers specialist. And what have you times really changed over the last ten years in the NFL and the Cowboys, and I think we'd trust. Now more that we did then the Cavs can do damage what their late around picks McClay is really been great architecture. Finding contributors for the Cowboys in the later rounds and the. I that has been the second round draft pick for the Cowboys in recent years as really started kind of you know, calm down a bit. You look at their second draft picks, and who they become two thousand fourteen DeMarcus Lawrence two thousand fifteen obviously Randy Gregory has really rebounded two thousand sixteen. Jalen Smith two thousand seventeen today in two thousand eighteen Connor Williams who seems to have a bright future along the interior of the Dallas Cowboys offense of lying. So there's a lot to look there's a lot to be, you know, calmness. In of for the couches. They build their roster, including all the way down to who your kickers going to be whether it's going to be Brett Mahar, whether it's going to be Matt Bryant a lot of decisions have to be made. That about does today. February sixth was the Brian day here on July, and we'll be back tomorrow on February seven to keep digging into the Cowboys roster keep digging into potential free agents draft picks and potentials. It's it's a fun time of year. It's a different time of year. But it's it's one that we have a lot of fun with nonetheless. And make sure you stay tuned to blog the boys dot com. And right here to Ocho alive and make sure you don't get a cold because they are going around. So we'll see you Magnon my friends as always go. Cal was empty south. My name is Spencer hall by name is Jason Kurt. My name is Ryan nanny, we combined. We form the shutdown full stran- keep telling you, we're not this forecast is technically college football podcast. But it's also a show about won't care disaster regional grocery stores. We love Tennessee Batman, homeowners associations bears in video games. Pittsburgh Batman the hell of being transferred a group, text unreliable legal advice. I mean, there's also some actual football discussion about coaches, having used contracts or coaches making terrible decisions or coaches, saying really stupid things or the NC double A's saying released. Yeah, there's lots of stupid things in this big dome. Beautiful sport like time Arkansas decided to use a captured feral hog as a mascot and it escaped and it wound up killing seven rattlesnakes a pig and a Coyote somehow. We talk about alleged with if you wanna take college football exactly as seriously as it deserves to be taken come find us on apple podcasts Spotify or wherever else you listen to podcasts. Like this one the full cast. It's not voltron on less. It is. Dammit.

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MATRIBHASHA HINDI

ASHISH RAJPOOT

18:45 min | 1 year ago

MATRIBHASHA HINDI

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Falcons bye week: Thoughts on Giants win, mid-year review

The Falcoholic

50:02 min | 3 years ago

Falcons bye week: Thoughts on Giants win, mid-year review

"Ladies and gentlemen, after a personal by week that we were not here last week. Sorry about that. I promise I'll be with you every week from here on out which might sound like a not so good thing to some of you. But some of you who've nice enough to enjoy my my voice. I appreciate it. Welcome to the post game podcast. My name is Corey Woodruff as you. Well know by now. I've got a good guest today. I think he's a friend of mine Alcan's fan UGA bulldog, and a noted physicist one of those isn't through thanks that you go to Georgia. He's a guy that you guys know from the Twitter sphere have very important member of our family famous. Gabriel Gonzalez gave thanks for coming on giddy. Up. Gabriel glad to have you on show me to do this for a while. And we finally made it. I'm so glad to be on man. Finally, I feel like it's been a long time coming, but I'm glad to finally be here. Yes. You briefly wrote for me at rise a breeder? And now you were podcasting me with the hall. Ick. Making big things happen make. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes. So you say, yes, sir. Like elementary. I'm getting old man, sir to me. And just you know, it'll just happen. I'm just going to use to it. So that's wants more from like, the southern hospitality kind of thing. I'm. Every person that my favorite southern restaurant says, yes, sir. Here's your sweet tea, and then I'll say, I don't drink sweet tea, but I'll drink it anyway. 'cause I like you. I mean, right. I've worked at chick fillet for four years. So. Yeah. That's that's how it works. It's your pleasure. Hypothetically to be on today's episode. It is absolutely my pleasure to be on today's episode. Wow. I hate myself. I saying that clad to have you glad you're here. We've gotta talk about the falcons because we've got a lot to discuss since we weren't able to meet the they won last week on Monday night football. They took them. Yeah. They did. They gotta win. And then they won the by week by not playing so three three weeks as far as I'm concerned. But no, they took down the New York football giants. There's another one of those games were somehow it managed to go to the last minute, which is unreal. Unbelievable. But that's the world we live in. Now. You know, that's the that's the plight that we've taken upon ourselves to cheer for this team and this season of their season. I guess you could say I guess I'm trying to put words together. But. We've talked. We've talked about exactly what this year has been like. But again, it's just nice to see a win every now, and again, even if it's against a bad team, and it's still close way closer than it ever should have been at this town of insulate healthy. But you know, you know, if you can come back on the last week, man, what were your thoughts about the way? The team looked kind of what you're able to take away from could be seen at some folks. As a, hey, maybe they're getting back on track or it could be seen by other folks. Maybe me, maybe maybe not quite as much as you think. I know we discussed it a little bit pre show. But like I was saying disdainful at least not reflective of what the rest of the season has been like, I mean, not Ryan continues to be you know, Matt Ryan reflecting his twenty sixteen MVP season this year. But the defense they came out to play when I say defense run defense did for sure which we've been torn up by lots of other teams. Whereas this week we stopped a saquon Barkley who is at in. My is a top three running back in the league already. We did. So a little bit to show we somehow couldn't force a turnover on ally. Manning, I believe which ally manning again, not a great quarterback. But, but yeah, I it felt like a role reversal sort of because we've been seeing lots of thirty thirty five point games from the falcons milley scored the final twenty three right? It felt more of a defensive steadfast than off. Offensive explosion. Like, we usually get to see. Yeah. I think those are really good points. Man. I think that's one of the difficult things about this season is like they'll do somethings some weeks that are improvements and what they've done before. But then like a new problem. We'll just open up, and you just kind of like, oh, this why why is this happening the way that it is? But I think just what ha what happens when you have every week. There's a new injury every week. There's a new problem every week something tends to get a little bit better. Some things kinda fall back in the way that they were right? Like this week. People just have off weeks Robert offer who's had a really good season. Just completely didn't show up last Monday and just have an awful night, which is just very unaccustomed to where he is where he is a player. But again, that's absolutely, Molly. That's just that's what happens some weeks are just some weeks. You're good players have an have an off week. Maybe they didn't get enough rest that gives well good of a practice. I want to will sore in wait. It doesn't show up injury report. Maybe they just have specific problem with the specific player or the specific scheme. You just have to really account for those types of things. And even when the great teams have that happened. There's just so many other things working for them the typically cover that up. I think this week or last week. I should say Atlanta great job with Arkley. And I'm guessing for Quinn. That was the main thing he focused on all week. But the problem was is easily manning almost like four hundred five hundred yards. One hundred and Odal Beckham and sterling shepherd just went off. And it's just like an Evans had a pretty game. You're just kind of like, oh, yeah. They're those other guys. Because even if the giants are bad this still have a lot of weapons, and that's one thing. If you go talent versus talent, the falcons are gonna lose that right now with the way this defense is built because this thing was blood in the defensive line from the Geico. Okay. The group that they put together in the offseason was not good enough. But I think if the defensive incompletely healthy alive that would have been covered up with the play of the Jones and Neil Ricardo Allen, those guys were gone. Okay. You take away. Basically, I call it the triangle of the falcons defense and communication in my physicality and running the scheme you took away that triangle input guys there that were not used those roles. I mean, obviously, the only one that has really stepped up and has been playing even semi. Well, is the Monte Casey boy illu I'm into himself a little bit didn't. Is beginning to play better. But again, the fact that he's even able to start for being two thousand eighteen sixth-round graphic isn't enough self pretty incredible. Like the fact that he's way more than just a special teams guy point in his NFL career. It's pretty fantastic. And you know, you look at Jordan Richards, or whoever they decide to play strong safety. They're not getting any production. They're not getting any coverage driving basically that be an open part of the field. And again, no Jordan about been good. He's been pretty bad. I don't think he's like the worst drunk safety in the NFL. I think he's actually kind of a smart player. The dish doesn't doesn't at times at the physicality or the the skill to match. What he sees? I think quiet Landau are the play him so much. They knew what he brought to the wings medically and thought he could maybe help with the communication standpoint. But the same time if he struggle against guys out talent him than it really doesn't matter. If he's able to see what he means to do. So I think one of the difficult parts with the way the Stevens is built because obviously, you know, they've been giving pays greens is you're having him. Run more communication recently. I thought that the defense last week was good at it was as good as it has been all season long fans. Maybe that Carolina game for like two quarter. Right. But like at the no, yeah, I wholeheartedly at the same time this almost let ally. Manning lose basically way out of the league. No offense to him like in his thirties happens. They almost let him have four hundred passing yards. Okay. In a lot of that was not great offered him play. Well, wasn't it was because I think true fans have been pretty good all year. And you know, he's not you know, he's not a top five corner. But I think he's been a top ten in corner. I think he's still has that level of good which which is where he's always been. But no, I think this game. If you look at it just from the defensive standpoint like they did some things pretty well. They did some things horribly. And that's why I think they were able to get some stops at some point. And then just completely fall apart is the second they go into prevent defense the second. They just played lead the clock and run the lead teams. Just run all over them and score points. I think that's Dan Quinn being a pretty, you know, he's he's not relying again we've seen him go for these insane field goals. We'll talk about the offense and that kind of production standpoint from the points. We've seen kick these long long field goals standpoint because he doesn't trust his defense right now. And that's saying a lot for a guy who was so trusting of his general team. And it's so trusting the talent in house when they haven't really been willing to bring guys in like, we kind of thought they may be should have with names like free. So I think right now with this defense, particularly you're looking at a team that really is just doing the best that they can't considering the circumstances. They should have done more defensive line their planned in work. Veasley didn't really come back. Like, we all hoped. You would he's been really really really mediocre this year, not necessarily bad, but just very inconsistent. And that's a really tough part to have when you're pass rusher is not getting the rents. Do fresher though, I don't know. Like, what do you think this defense needs to what's realistic for this defense going forward realistic goal for them to do with the people that have? I mean, that's pens on the mindset of what Dan Quinn believes the season's going to turn into. Because if if it's a case where you know, we're still in the playoff into were still trying to try to get a one of those wildcards spots than this defense is going forward were, you know, going to keep going the way we have we're gonna keep going having that Ben don't break mentality. Even the we've seen break more time, some bent. That's how it's gonna go. If you know the next couple of games, don't go away. You know, we don't make the playoffs. I would like to see the defense or playing a few or younger guys like to see all Versi of the field more demonic as e in all of our younger guys. I mean, we've seen daydream synon-. He's being he's playing few of snaps for game. But he's been amazing. Those few snap amazing bit of stretch. But he's been pretty darn good. So if that's the case I'd like to see us put in our young guys get to know our system. Lot more on the field. But other otherwise, you know, if we're trying to make that playoff run. It's just gonna continue being the way I think you're exactly right. I think that there's going to be a point without Koons realize what's capable and what's not capable. And when they realize what's not capable what they need to do is. Right. You give these young guys more reps. And I think they need to play all a lot more because. He's gonna be good because you know, corners take time thousand's got really lucky when this winter came out so hot in two thousand thirteen it was able to become right away a really good corner. But like Robert offered a lot alums early in his career. It took him a long time to figure out the way he needed to play. Like, it really was not until maybe you're three when he really became exactly what the team needed him to be. And he's continued to get better. Once Marquand Manuel got there was able to work with secondary bit more again like he struggled withholding with Oliver. He's just learning to get caught up with the speed of the game takes time that just doesn't happen overnight particularly with Cornerbacks because they're having to deal with these receivers that are much more recipes and much more talented and much more capable than what they're used to in college and the game is much faster. And when you're a cornerback, you don't automatically get in touch with that right away. You've done in Miami this year who in the world was in Howard before the season is a lot. Doc down core. But he really wasn't a whole lot because he had to take time to get used to the game that is very common at that position. So I think the team needs to Oliver a bit more credit as time goes on. And they begin to realize what this year's capable of. And give him more wrestling. That's a great point. And I liked it. They're giving a good run. He's obviously going to be a good player for them like that Lou getting some more reps because they make give him that weeks job in two thousand nineteen. I think Duke Riley has been much better. And I think he would be better if the on Jones Ron field. So I still think there is a lot of hope for Duke Riley. He obviously has games where he struggles mightily. But I think that is because he is just one of those guys that needs time to get used to the speed of the game. I think for do this is much rookie year as it is for anybody else. Because last season was just a year where he really did struggle. He missed a month. They bench Tim at times. He just really is taken him a long time. But I think that's also a point of conversation. That we have to have some of these players where it's kinda like you really need to give some of these guys a lot more time that you are because if you don't give guys at least at least three years three or four to begin to kind of come into themselves, then you're gonna miss out. And again, the falcons are not gonna probably or something he's gonna be on the team. He's a really good. Reserve doesn't start. But I think this the rest of this year big for him in terms of well, they have been playing time. He's been not getting as many reps. The teams playing a bit more success that doesn't bode well for him in the interim. I think he just needs continue to grind it out. I think the team would still be interested to see what he looks like when that defense is what they want it to be. So as we close our defensive conversation. You know, I think that they're a CD fence C minus defense. I don't think it's just like a nightmare. Adding it's going to get a lot better in comparison to like what were they were like week four week five where it was just like an open door. I mean, the people are going to get more comfortable, I think tack is going to continue to play. Well, he's been really good. This year has been one of the better defensive ends, which is really exciting. If you think that they may added another defensive end the draft picks ear inn kinda have it be top fifteen pick. Which is where I think the phone. I think there's enough excitement with this unit in the future. But I also think this unit would have been really good this year, if the triangle was here. Okay. If you had the on the I can't Ricardo so it just stinks. And there's nothing you can do about it until those guys get healthy. So let's get offense. If I you know, let's whites if you don't mind. This is really good this year, and it's been incredibly unexpected. And it's also been really good with not great offensive line play. So, you know, from like they were in two thousand seventeen to where they are. Now. Like, what do you think is been that shift to allow them to continue to play the level that they are? Like looking what's happening on the field with you know, our offense line. Both of our guards are out for the season. You know, we're starting backups now coming into this next week you'd expect the offense to regress at least a little bit of. But I in my opinion, the biggest factor that's changed for the offense as being a Calvin Ridley, I know after after the draft Dan was talking about how Sark wanted to get his guy. He was saying that this is the guy that's gonna help us and looks like he did. I remember draft night. I was disappointed. We took our we didn't think that that a wide receiver something we particularly needed but coming into the season knowing what I do know now release been lifesaver. He's he's been great all over the field. He's in excellent route runner he feels very mature for for being a rookie. And he just payers so well out there with Julio, and and Sindhu and Matt ROY. Ryan, especially so I think definitely edition of him as been great. And then with devante Freeman being down a ITO Smith coming in and taking up the Rb to a snaps. That's been a another key factor. It Will Smith has been you know, so great this season. It's been insane. Seeing him in those open the question down line with with. You know, devante fruit future seven Coleman's future. How that's gonna work out. But right now with the way this offense is, you know, the two rookies ITO Smith end end. Kevin Ridley Dave just, you know, been probably the biggest factors that have helped us solve a honest like Calvin Ridley has been so good. And he has been so perfect for what Sarkissian I think is most comfortable with calling whatever he does is helping Sarthe thrive, and I really feel like, and I mean this sincerely if they had not picked Calvin Ridley, and they had taken like Tatum, Brian. We would not be seeing this kind of an offense. It was a brilliant move by Thomas to meet Ross to get this guy. On the system because I think he knew deep down this is Sark wanted. This is who start felt would be most comfortable in running this offense with because these two guys were together at Alabama Sarkissian was familiar with Calvin released good at so he went to go get a guy who could be true number two receiver unless the new to play more of that three role where I think he is best suited, and you know, at least in this current version of the game and really just thrive. I- ridley's been great is he might be another some quarterbacks that may knock him out of it because it's more flashy position. But I think he's the non quarterback offense a player of the year. I fall I mean. Like, a voice take is just so rare to see a falcons rookie do this. And he's really the best falcons rookie. Maybe since Julio Jones because you know, obviously Kanter Neal had a really good rookie year and Jake Matthews was okay year desma fund had early year. But I think that Calvin Ridley is probably the best just overall rookie. They've had since early was in town because he's doing a lot of what happened when the got here in eleven you know, he really began to kind of pop in ways we have not seen. And I think that where he is so good as he's just technician. You just watch the way he runs washed away. He does his routes. You just outworked people in the field. You know, he he gets open. He knows that. Contessa catches are not his strength. See? No. He does. He doesn't make contested catches. He just runs the guy where it really helps able to go out there and get the ball. But you know, you look at what the against the giants look with done I'll season they've just been really really good at. Just getting yardage getting points the red zone offense. The play calling has been much better in the red zone occasions. Getting everybody involved Logan Paulsen is making touchdown catches. And you know that this often make being good again when we can say that the blocking titan is getting touchdown catches. And again, I think. Duet. Wave Corey do you understand though, the that Julio Jones has not caught a senior touchdown pass this season. Get. So that must be that most union that you know, Sarkis everything will use terrible, everyone Hansel football. You know, I think that conversation is absolutely worth having because it is a very odd statistic that he's getting these kinds of yards in is not necessarily getting kinds of touchdowns. You know, like. Agree. Yeah. He's he's for you to two thousand dollars zero tuck insane it like I can't I can't describe it like even even running backs who who are more known for the receiving ability. They get touchdowns. Like, it's it's I I don't I like, I just don't know how it's not happening especially with someone of his knock on in. It's just it's just mind boggling, I my only right now. And I don't know if this is right. My feary is that Sarkissian thrives when he's able to use Julio a decoy together. People open. I think that Julio is kind of his key to unlocking touchdowns when he uses Julio as a guy who can bracket coverage. I really think that's it. I think that when they're in the red zone. He puts Julio out there and doesn't though to him any allows the coverage to go somewhere else and get somebody else open. I think that's the key. I think that's what he found out is that the only way. Yeah. I'm gonna touchdowns as if I don't force the bald Julio Jones. Like, you know, we have I think that maybe that's it. No. I agree with to a point. It's been said for many seasons that oh the reason that Julia doesn't get as many touchdowns say you're into new Browns. Odell Beckham of the league is because he's, you know, always still covered or he's used as a decoy which in part is very much. A lot of defensive note defenses. No that Julio is the biggest threat on the field adult times that being said, however, there's been many many times many many might be an exaggeration. But there's been quite a few times this season. I've seen where let's say a in Calvin release three touchdown game. Where he was lighting it up the defense put a linebacker on Julio Jones a linebacker. That's disrespect when you think, you know. Maybe Matt Ryan season may be Steve's are Qizheng sees it. But then nothing is done to say like, oh, wait, you know, there's a linebacker on one of the best wide receivers in league. Maybe let's change up display or next couple plays to get him. Open. Get one of those speaks closest place to get Julio for you know, twenty thirty forty or touchdown. And it's not like Matt Ryan can't depot we just saw Marvin halls as Ingles at forty touchdown of the other night. It's an Julio is significantly bitter bigger go then. Don't significantly vineyard. That's Marvin Holland taking that play. But no man, that's a really good point. Because I think that that's kinda the coverall answer that I've been thinking, but again at the same time like maybe there are some opportunities where the times are not converting. Maybe they just need to be pretty simple. Just go to Julio. They're making the place happen and they're getting the production. But I'd like to see them. Get more involved on the road in the red zone because Pittsburgh in Philadelphia, which somehow are the only to read their own to on the road this year if only played on the road twice, which means they have a lot of road games left on the schedule. So which could get kind of ugly, but that's where they're not getting as much red zone production. And I know obviously one of those week one and they were using Julio very frequently in the red zone and finding success and again against Pittsburgh. They really were having trouble getting down the field with the pass rush. But I think that going down the line teams might get a little more wise to these ideas. Channa Han knew that there were times he just had to get Halil open and just make those explosive plays. I think if start getting more comfortable he'll begin to figure that out more. But I'm really happy with this offense right now the line is going to struggle for the rest of the year. Jake Mathews has been the holy consistent player smack has been good. He's not been great where we normally see him. But he's been good. He should good center. He's still does his job pretty well. But he's getting older they should have like. Getting a little older we knew this coming 'cause we signed him when he was over thirty. And that's okay. He's been really great addition for them. Obviously really added some stability unit in that position. Ryan traitors, not been quite as good this year. But again, you talking a guy who's on getting close to thirty you know, an offensive tackles sin play pretty long time. But they're just points. Guys. Kind of take steps up. Take steps down trader has not been fitted this year. Now, you've got your to starting guards that are now out in the second half season Evie laboratory was lost its timber in Brandon Fujiko who was lost Monday. So do you think that Wests and Arlen they're going gonna be enough for them for the rest of the year? Do you think that's going to be the playoffs where they ran with combo just didn't work? Well. I sure hope it works at the end of last season. We didn't see too great of things. I'll be like we were talking earlier are, you know, younger guys. It's gonna take a minute for them to get Justice to the league in in in come out and be good, especially on team as talented as the falcons that being said, I you know, it's been a long time. I hope they can at least be they don't have to be amazing. But it as long as they are functional then I shouldn't. I don't believe that the falcons offense. Where to be a good way to be. I think that's a good place to be as I do your suits terminology here. No, I think that's fair because like. And is a little older, but it's still going to time to get used to it. And he's actually been really good in reserve like he's a really good pass protector. He's a pretty solid run. Blocker is just when he's in there for a lengthy amount of time. He begins to kind of win the mortar where you would kind of hope he wouldn't go past. But maybe he's you know, figure that out and it's gonna get a little bit better. So maybe he will be pretty solid. West is west I think west has been better this year. West is always gonna have the things he's great at having this just because the the level of quality in a level of his draft positioning, that's kind of determined. You know, the kind of player he'll be he was picked for a reason. But again, I think he can be fine. Like, I was I was kind of a point where I was kind of like this offense can do this with us at left guard. Maybe when Andy leaves they can just run with them there and just be okay with this call. But again at the same time the offensive line has been really disappointing this year outside Jake Matthews who's having his best year. Pro Matt Ryan really does not get much pressure. Coming off at left side. It's really mainly for the right or coming from the interior. You know, Dallas Jacobs playing up to that contract is playing really well, that's incredibly exciting to see because every great team needs a great left tackle, or at least a good left tackle on. It's really hard to win in the NFL. If you don't have your blindside protected, but we'll see where it goes. So we've kind of we've talked about the offense the defense. Let's just been a little bit of time talking about this kicking position. Because obviously, we love the money man will never get old here. Giorgio tha Vecchio was outstanding in that giant's game for guy that just gotten signed is the most successful kicker in the NFL since I guess the nineteen sixties to just come off come off being a free agent in sang with team hitting those kinds of Phil goals. I think the team has not cut him for a very specific reason, which is because they got him on contract in two thousand nineteen right now it's a two year deal with Matt Bryant ailing and him being forty three and kicking fifty yard or in hurry his hamstring. We think. He'll be back this week. We don't know that for sure I think the fact that he's not that the fact that the tobacco villain the roster indicates for sure it is status doubt this week. But also at the same time. It's like the falcons you had this guy come out really, really good. Like, he does a really good job as a proven kicker and your other kicker is in his mid forties. Almost what do you do there? I mean, do you let money go earlier than anticipated you run with tha Vecchio? I mean, do you let to ECU finish the season put that Bryant on our if things are specially are not going the way that you would hope in see if he could really be your future because again, the kicking in the NFL is really bad unless you're really good at it. I know that sounds like the most obvious statement. But it's like if you're not good at kicking. If you are good at kicking great teams. Don't have that kickers is one thing the constant. If you have a good kicker typically means there's a good team. Team that new to get back with kicker. So tha Vecchio could be that guy for the next ten fifteen years. You really think -lanta as much Matt Brian has been crucial to this franchise or you let the money man, go out the way he wants to let Vecchio stick around this year and go elsewhere next year on Roma to kickers next year. There's just it's difficult for them to be in because a Matt Ryan health. But what what would you do if you without? Yes. So I mean, this has been a topic that's sort of been like elephant in the room. No one's really talking about it so far. But it's it's there, and it's it's you know, we've got address it soon. I mean, there's absolutely a kicker controversy in Atlanta. And so the way I see the rest of the season shaping out at least, I think we're going to let Matt Bryant rest as long as he needs to you know, recuperate as long as he needs to those soon as he tows in quid. Hey, I'm one hundred percent ready to kill. I think we're gonna bring that. Right back in Giorgio has been amazing. And it's really great that we managed to find someone who really, you know, saved our skins this last game. And he definitely has the resume to be the guy to carry us forward in the future. But you know, right now with all that Matt has done I think he's still he's still the the guy he still money into Matt starts to see a significant decrease in production. I don't think you know, we'll give that the reins over Georgia just yet. But I can actually see us carrying two kickers next season because of a map Bryant's age, and and at this age, you don't know how quickly that decline come for some, you know, if you're Tom Brady does the client. We haven't even notice it yet. But you know, Matt Bryant's kicker, and it's his production has been great so far. But if once it starts to dip, I think Georgia will absolutely be the gotta take over if it's, you know, within the next season or to otherwise, you know, Matt Ryan guy, George go to another team and. Conversation. I think they'd be smart to keep them in the year particular with Brian health you how he continues. But right now, you don't need that other roster spot for anybody. It would just be someone in active on game day. So you might as well keep tobacco make him an active on game day. Bryant gets healthy and see how Bryant does for the rest of the year. If he's the same guy, we know in you know, that going forward he's done do that next year. It makes it difficult to keep the roster. Spot open for a second kicker, but at the same time, I think having him in the system next season keeping him around the offseason you allow Bryant to figure out whether he wants to continue to play. I think for him. He has an out every year in that contract to decide if he wants to retire. I think he may still wanna play if he knows the team is going to be really good next year. Again, if we went to a Super Bowl somehow in two thousand twenty and Matt Ryan wasn't our kicker. It would feel really weird because it's like he's in there for the entire time. And you've wanted to be a part of that want to have a really good year next year if when everybody's? Healthy knock on wood. Like you want him to be there? You want him to be the kicker 'cause to like to you a lot. He's awesome. That's like you wouldn't feel quite right? But at the same time if Matt Bryant continues to make that slow down hill with his age, which is very natural. It'd be very understandable considering where he is. And you get to a point where you know, tobacco's to like the Bengals or something or the Texans or somebody doesn't have a great kicker in is like they're great kicker for the next ten fifteen years. You kinda like the falcons miss that. It's only the can't find another picker you get one in the draft or you can go maybe look for somebody else. But I don't know it just feels like he showed a lot of promise in that giant twin, and he made some pretty long feels old guy who had just gotten in the system, and he's kinda mayor with the falcons what want on special teams. I I'm hesitant to let him go. Now, I think there should hold onto the year Harry to kickers and then go in the nineteen bigger things out with Vecchio under contract for that entire season. So. Oh, you know, the only way he's leaving. If is if you want to leave. But you know, we'll see what they'll do. It's the falcons they never exactly what you are expecting. But it's always it's always the move. The falcons are going make that you know, as we wind down or conversation here. Let's talk about the season as a whole we've talked a lot about the reflection of what we've seen. Let's try to look into the future though bit. Where's your honest assessment of where the same goes like if you had to look and say all right from Sunday's game at Washington to the season finale against Tampa Bay where where are the falcons it? See it's rough because we've seen always seen so far with four home games only to away games. Those two away games were disasters for us. You know, we we went to Philadelphia and the that was just terrible felt like the end of last season. And then we went up to Pittsburgh, and it was a total collapse. Forty one points given up when we could only score seventeen on them. So majority of the rest of our schedule is going to be away, and those could be some tough games. I mean, we're playing Washington in Washington. You know, Cleveland's team. That's like they they tied with the Steelers. They genuinely could be a threat to the state of the falcons right now. So in that, you know to topping on going to the seines and the Panthers aids just it's a whole lot. I don't think this team right now as is is built for winning another. You know, we have three wins right now we'd have to win, you know, what seven more at least. To to to make the playoffs and looking schedule ahead. It's it's tough in. Let's deal. Jones comes back as quick as possible and plays one hundred percent the way he was before. I really really don't think this offense can carry the yes. I think that the offense may take a little bit of a step back with the loss of Fujiko because you're taking away the that was there on that line. And it's just another moment, we're injuries by Gina. But I want to look at the schedule for the next six weeks. Okay. And this is this is a tough schedule. They go to Washington they're five and two Washington's having a really good year. It it's that defensive line is rate. They're going to be able to do a lot against falcons with the run. And we haven't even noted that devante Freeman is playing offense has been so good here. And literally one of the franchise faces is been on my are has on existent because of injuries that's a conversation will leave alone. Because obviously there's a lot that can be said there as much love Freeman. I want them to think he's the still will be a great player next year against a healthy. But okay. So next than the eleventh, you go to Cleveland and play a team that is very talented. The just didn't have the coaching this year. Greg Williams is taking over as head coach that's gonna work by their their their next year team. They always have been able see where they go. But they're getting a bad match for Atlanta with how physical they are line in the way that secondary plates. You know, they get home against a Cowboy's team that's gonna be frying if that wildcard spot. Dick Elliott didn't play last year. He'll be playing this year. They have some instability on that offense some weeks the good, so they're not while just the Dax kind of last maybe one or two weeks is going to be what holds for them or may be something else. I don't know they're they're kind of their little bit mediocre this year, but they have some weeks. They really tend to go off. They did a really good job in some last year. We'll see how that goes at home to definitely helps Jerry world then like the the three weeks after that they go to the saints on thanksgiving. They host the ravens who going into this past week at the best NFL in the league. I think that may go down because Carolina is but still a top probably top three defense and go to lambo in December to take on the Packers who are going to be very very, very, very, very, very, very, very happy to see you and hope to destroy you. After what you've done to them in the last few year. Anybody new this? The falcons embarrassing there ever since two thousand sixteen dang. Has had Aaron Rogers number Hern Rogers n that Ryan our friends, you can guess after years and years of being little brother. Matt Ryan said ha ha I got to go to the SuperBowl. And you didn't. And I beat you in my last game the Georgia Dome. Made you look stupid. So you're going to lambo in December on a team who has no no goodbye with Atlanta and probably Mike McCarthy by that time might be coaching for his job depending on where the seasons going. So you look at that stretch of those teams, and I just sit there and wonder how can Atlanta come out of that any better than like two and four like how? I mean, this this is easily. And. The Cowboys failed goal. They could lose their probably will lose to the saints on the road. And they could lose the ravens at home. They could lose for the Packers on the road. And you could be sitting there looking at last three games, and that it would be very reminiscent of that eight season. They just collapsed down the stretch, although us all. This is crazy statistic. I think Dan Quinn right now is like twelve and four in December. Or I don't know. I don't think that athle- right or in the second half of season, not only. That's exactly accurate. But traditionally his teams are actually not bad at all. I think that's when they begin to hit their stride is right in November. And as they go in that last strips, they always finish strong, which makes me think maybe like that Cleveland game that Cowboys maybe they win to back to back. And then maybe they somehow get past the Packers. Lambeau these some of these games are winnable. I'm very pessimistic about going down to New Orleans and having having the Baltimore come to town. I think those games are going to be really hard in less. Dan Quinn can scheme against flacco, which I think could possibly happen. They can just really just kind of out coach them on the offense. But right now, I really think this team is lingering between six and ten at an eight. I think you look between those two marks. And you find your record. I don't think it's going to be nine and said quite. Because of the schedule. I don't think it's going to be quite a five and eleven foreign twelve I think you're gonna look between six and ten eight and an injury ravaged season with offense really good defense has been really bad. I think there's really nothing wrong with that. There's nobody to blame. There's no hard conversation to have about this or that. Maybe you need to reach will the deep it's of line little bit. Which is kind of the story we have every year. But I think everywhere else on the roster. Maybe you look at adding another guard. I think everywhere else on the roster is set the next couple of year. The extensions will settle themselves. When contracts all those players it'll have to refund some debt, but right now, the nucleus of this team when healthy will be there for the next two or three years and the falcons will continue to content in that period. As unless they don't have some big change offense coordinator with if he continues to do well on a college team wants to hire him to coach, I think it happened, and they go back to college and be that level. But we'll see. The future is not something we can be guaranteed in. If you look at this season as good example of that. But I think overall the best way to look at this team right now just say they got the short end of the stick. They got the injury bug. They got in a very difficult position or they really couldn't get out of. And they did the best that they could. Maybe they should have added a player here there from the outside. But I don't know of if that had really made the world's difference living. The Jones is really hard losing county is really hard. Eric Reid's been good for Carolina. There's not been like a revelation, right? Like he hasn't been a pro bowler. He's been polit would have been better, Jordan Richards, or Brian polit- strong safety. You know, again, the trenches were never gonna get any better. The offense of line was always going to struggle. The defensive line was always going to be great Brady, particularly, you know, maybe if they make a move here there, maybe they don't lose a game by touch down here there. But I don't think there's team was going to be a Super Bowl contender this year. Even if straight. Maybe they would have because they would have been pretty complete on both sides of the ball. But I don't know. This is just one of those things where it's like you can't play what if too much because if you do just drive yourself tree. I think the best thing for Atlanta from this point on is just to cut your losses and come back next year with the budgets because the back half of the schedule is really hard. I mean, even in that low those last three games. Yeah. You get the cardinals at home. They're not great this year that you still have to go to Carolina before Christmas and Carolina's having a really good season. And they're really going to be happy to get back at you after what happened in September. And then you go on the road with the bucks. And we have no idea what the shape of that. Buccaneers team is going to be in the season. Finale min- may fire other by the end, you know, they may have they may just really be pulling for pride and peanuts. Like, I don't know. I really I'm really curious where the season goes. But I don't think it's going to be anywhere to special. Yeah. See this thing. A lot of people are trying to play the blame game. You know? I blame coach Queen. I blamed each blame this person that player, and it it also, you're right. We just got the short stick. There is no one really to blame the only blame you can assign. Maybe is at the beginning of this year. We didn't really dress our defensive line as she is and stuff like that people. You know, they they wanna pay all this on some reason or something. But you know, they can't like we can't blame our young guys not all of them for being amazing. You know, looking at you, Duke Riley. You know, we have no no gripes with the way he is right now. Because like we're saying earlier it takes time for these players develop. And we've seen our before we have a lot of people who come in played super excellent, you know, year one, and we expect the the to be stars when reality it's for a lot of these guys. It's going to take a couple of years for them to truly become one of the forces in this league. So. People just you know, they wanna point fingers and at this point we have to just play the season out watch some Alkan football. You know, have be what it is. And you know, if we make the playoffs. Best wonderful. That's great hopes to a shot of being in the Super Bowl in Atlanta. Although I highly doubt that happens in if not, you know, think of it as in we're getting really high drastic where adding rennet at a lot of guys who are going to be coming to an already stack team. So it's this won't we just gotta sit back enjoy it and not worry about you know, what if this happened with that? I think that's the best way. The only way can really like this right now is just say we'll see what happens I really feel like the Super Bowl has really zapped. Everyone's patience out of their system because they've been patient for so long and continue to be patient. But that's kinda catch isn't it like patients requires more patients. And if you don't have more patients after ends, did you really have patients in the first place. You have no guarantees this league with random this league is just spontaneous. Victors crime out of the ashes every day and titans fall into the ocean. Just as equal like we really there is no schematic formula other than the patriots are usually good or team that Peyton Manning was as always really good, wherein Rogers. But even then it's like there's no guarantee Peyton Manning only won two Super Bowls and the second Super Bowl really was as defense got. Right. Aaron Rodgers only had one ring like that's how ran in. This league is the best quarterbacks of ever played Tom Brady has five rings. Sure. But because he's like probably the best coach player combination of all time, those tend to do pretty well. I don't know if you knew that. But if you're the best something you do. Okay. But yeah, I think as we kind of wrap up looking at the season as a halfway you just have to say they tried. They really did put a good team on the field this year. But it just wasn't meant to be. And that the happens. I didn't get any good didn't get any good bouncers that didn't get those plays like lassie's in times especially early in the year where it came down to that play the falcons. Able to make it had the guy the needed this year that had the Gaza needs those last purple plays came down to them. Now, making them that's part about it stinks. But like, that's all you have to be willing to take into account that it is a spontaneous sport. The does not care how badly you wanna win. It's gonna do wants to do. And if you're not ready, you're not ready in our yard. Sometimes you'll get the bouncing times won't. But you know, that's where we are. That's the sucky part about this. But it they'll be okay. It may not be this year. They may not be. But then again, imagine this team like fifteen pick added into the mix just at random and you just get him because the draft. So I'm excited about that. I think that they've been drafting really well recently. I'm I don't wanna talk too much about the spring yet. Because I know people really don't like that until like in December and things really are looking good which could be the case, we'll say I'm gonna wait and see mode. This team is just going to be one of the things every week. We'll just have to kind of see where they are. And see what they can do. And it's gonna be tough. You know, they've overcome worse though. We'll see how it goes. All right, Gabe. Thank you so much for coming on the subset of the colleagues post game podcast. Tell yourself you know, and all the other people need to remind yourself of your information. So the folks where they can find you kind of talk about what's going on in the world of gape. So the only social media I want she has only on is Twitter. 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The Falcoholic Live: Julio Jones traded to the Titans

The Falcoholic

1:09:20 hr | 3 months ago

The Falcoholic Live: Julio Jones traded to the Titans

"Falco hall podcast listeners. Welcome to another. Episode of the falcons live. This is your host. Kevin night reminding you to check out. The show live on youtube on wednesday nights at eight ten pm. Eastern encourage you to check out our patron page where you can unlock exclusive perks including access to a patron. Qna a. session. Where we take falcons questions for about thirty minutes to an hour. That's a lot of fun. You could find that page at patriotair dot com slash alchoholic love. Thank you all for listening. And we hope you enjoy today's episode bello falco hollick's what is up. Welcome to a somber edition of alcoholic live. I'm your host. Kevin night here to bring you an emergency show with a terrific cast of guests to discuss one of the most impactful moves of the offseason. Which is the departure of. Julio jones the star wide receiver who spent intel now all of his career at the atlanta falcons. My personal favorite falcon of all time has been traded officially to the tennessee. Titans in exchange for a twenty twenty two second round pick and a twenty twenty three fourth round. Pick the falcons also sent a twenty two twenty three sixth rounder as part of the deal. So we're gonna break down and talk about it in detail. We did have another show on this Golic podcast show yesterday. Also with one of our guest. Gene kelly and also having burchfield along with. Dwi so if you need more analysis on the trade the instant reactions you can check that out. Aca was show away. Well as i feel like. I'm forgetting someone from the show but on hasn't been on here in so long and then you know. Of course the for show he comes back. He goes to the falcons like podcast instead. So i'm very insulted. This is just me being passive aggressive but speaking of audie get. She is here with us at say which way not. How're you doing today. What you guys don't knows. It's actually a civil war going on in real todd in the live. Show the the true rivalry. It's it's even more intense than falcon saints Yeah i know. It's you know the the trades don. I think we saw it coming for a while. I was saying on the on the podcast. It feels like it would have been much worse if we were just blindsided by it and dislike. Oh yesterday no news today. Oh they're trading. Julio jones daniel it'd be like all right now now it's a there was so much talk at nauseam almost to the point of our. Let's let's just get it over with right. We discussed it to death. We'd had a million articles on it. I was going to write an article this week at the trade to hadn't happened yet but luckily did and we can actually talk about something that happened as sad as it is also joining us. We have our director of guest personnel. Evan burchfield at the very easy to remember avenue field on twitter. Evan how're you doing today. i am will. I had to pay homage. Yes julio and last time. I don't break my jerseys out unless it's something special in yeah It's gonna be weird. I think The news is settled in for me. But seeing the falcons playing in nazi eleven out. There's gonna be a little weird but you know it is what it is. It's a business. And i hope. The best form in tennessee in stock. Yeah absolute week. I was i was saying. I also have a julio jones jersey in that read but mine is signed by matt. Brian okay. so is your signed by matt bryant. Evan no but i have a matt. Bryant jersey signed by matt brian. Well i guess. I guess that's acceptable map. Brian was like the nicest guy at that training camp. By the way he stayed for at least ten minutes to sign everyone's jerseys that wanted to have them sides shed at dimap ryan as well as simpson's up sort of oh i sleep in our bed. You know i sleep in the bed with my wash. some sun represents does. He's got them just very depressed. Yeah we've we've missed you. We also have joining us gina. Kelly she is at geeta thomas on twitter. Gina how're you doing today. Well you know. I mean it's not every day. The franchise traded away a future hall of famer and a generational talent at wide receiver. So still kinda wrap my head around it. It's been a very interesting couple days here. Yes it has been a stressful. We thought including friend of the show tori mcelhinney. Thought like you know. I just need to go ahead and take take a break because the julio news is gonna come soon so we gotta get outta here and then of course. It comes on a sunday. Which i think is just rude to everyone who works in sports. Media are sundays. Non not during the football season are supposed to be sacred so you know come on guys why you doing this to us but you know no no consideration for our feelings in this trade. That's that's abundantly clear. So we also have joining us. Eric robinson at underscore eric underscore robinson. Eric how're you doing. Doing okay I've seen better days And it kinda kinda hit home a little bit this morning watching. Julio get off the damn jet in nashville. I tried not to see that. Yeah i say yes. It's pretty tough. It's tough and we'll also have assuming he can Wrestle away from work for a few minutes dave alchoholic himself is going to try to make an appearance at some point during the show as well. So there's a lot we could talk about. There's a lot going to have to get to including what we think about the compensation that's probably what we'll start things off but also you know. How does this impact falcons roster because losing a player of julio's significance is a big deal in terms roster construction and the ceiling for this and also the salary cap implications because those are very important and are one of the keys of the deal so we will definitely get to that we also have a donation coming in from demonte. Twenty four dollars to montana. Thank you so much for your support. Man we appreciate you says. Tired of fans trashing. Julio they're doing it because their feelings are hurt. Obviously we didn't want it to end this way. But that's life grateful for those ten years knowing always be known and remembered as a falcon. Yeah totally agree with you there man. It's always tough to see separation particularly when it's as charged. This one is with negative emotion. And we'll talk about that a little bit but for the most part. I think we all just need to kind of move on. Have a clean break and not get tripped up in a you know a blame game situation because that doesn't really solve anything except maybe making us feel a little bit better but it's temporary doesn't really fix anything so we won't linger on that too long but the first thing. Obviously we're gonna talk about compensation. Because that's the big headline falcons net a twenty twenty two second and two thousand twenty three fourth and i had remarked in the past that this was basically the bare minimum. I would've taken. I don't know why we couldn't have had the twenty twenty three fourth via twenty twenty two fourth. But that's what it took to get the fourth. I guess that's okay. And now i don't care about giving up a twenty three six. I bet you. Into and through the falcons will have at least one sixth round pick based on the roster's constructed so it does not matter at all that's basically worthless in terms of trade compensation so yeah let's let's get some takes on that. I know several of you have had a chance to share your thoughts on the podcast to eric. I who had. I haven't heard from yet. Eric what is your takeaway. On the compensation the falcons received you think it's fair Know what are your thoughts on that. I'll be honest. it's it's to me. it's not but it's not a knock on the falcons. Front office is more of me. Aiming at the teams in looking at an all pro a future hall of famer. Like julio jones in just because it was obvious that was the best offer on the table. And if that's the best offer on the table. I don't even want to know what else was offered because i'm sure it was. It was disgraceful to an extent What other teams started. Julio they offer as far as that goes now. I get teams. Were weary about paying the fifteen million dollars so that had a reflection a little bit on what was on the table. But you know. You don't Julio jones you know the talent like that doesn't grow on trees you don't get guys like that. And he is at a at a point in his career yes. He's thirty two years ten years under his belt but he still elite healthy and he's out there performing. He is the best receiver in a leak. Plana no no debate here so for teams to view that in and see him and you know throw out than what the thousands actually took to me is is a slap in the face. But you know the falcons took what they what they got. You know The second and fourth next year. I'm with you kevin. I wish would have been four for twenty twenty two instead of twenty twenty three but that probably had a tie in to the titans. You know if they i'm pretty sure they offered a twenty twenty four. Th they probably would have wanted some salary. Relief is well on top of that And the falcons were not willing to budge. I will cominh no again for not budging on that yale. You can't or that salary so do not move from that you can. You can be flexible with the draft. Picks and with the compensation in in that aspect but this team cannot afford to pay any his salary unless he was you know on roster and he was playing but they're going to trade him they don't wanna pay it and i don't blame them. I wouldn't wanna pay. Why would you want to pay somebody to not play for your team. I never understood that but is it. It's fair i guess So we'll we'll see what they do going forward But like i said if that's the best offer. I was on the table man. I i can just imagine what other teams thought of. What what they offered. This auckland's yeah. Yeah i mean like with with regards to the salary you know. I wanna make it clear to people that teams are always going to be forced to pay. Julio jones full salary as a part of the trade the falcons were not going to consider any offers where they were going to have to pay salary. That would be unusual for four. A trade like this for the trading team to pay any of the salary. Because i mean that's just not something that teams often do unless they have a lot of cap space. They might be willing to do it but i think tweet from. Espn got people. tripped up. teams. Were trying to get out of paying his salary cap and sure i'm i'm sure they would like to to have that option but it was never a serious consideration. The falcons were never going to agree to that. And like i said it would be unusual for a team to agree to that so i wouldn't necessarily hold up the fact that the falcons got the titans to take the whole salary is like some sort of big win. It's nice that obviously they they that had happened but i think that was the bare minimum of the deal is like you're paying his salary no matter what so. The big problem. I think is is this is the bare minimum of what i would accept it so i don't think it's bad value. I just don't think it's good either. Which is maybe the best sign that it's fair. Trade probably for both sides and it was. It was unlikely we were going to be able to wait this out and get premium value with the situation as it was. Julio making it clear that he wanted to leave. And the fact that the falcons seemingly backed themselves into the corner of we are depending on this trade to sign our draft class before the draft or before training camp. So falcons didn't have much leverage teams. Knew they couldn't play hardball waited out. So in this situation falcons were limited. They probably had to take a more fair offer than they than they may have needed to. If they weren't requiring the salary cap space to sign the draft class. So you know that needs to be taken into account you know me personally. I probably would have rather that that they had extended grady or something like that and then you could afford to wait. Take the trade into training camp and possibly get better compensation after. There's some sort of injury in training camp because it's going to happen. I mean it always happens. You know you can. You can take advantage of that where you then have the leverage of teams like. Oh we now we have to make this trade. Instead of the falcons being the ones that have to make it. That's the way it fell. And i think everybody else mentioned it in the podcast. Which was that. The is probably don't want this hanging over them going training camp and i blame them. But if they wanted the maximum value if they really wanted to be sticklers for that first round pick that's what they would have had to have done and it seems like they weren't willing to do that so we're real quick from from a pr standpoint they. I mentioned this when the whole episode came out with undisputed with you know what he did on that show. They didn't want to go into training camp with this hanging over there. Because they're going to be from day one minute. One attorney cap is all be about. Julio who julio julio negative media is not going to care about cockpits they don't care about. How matt ryan let's feel is going to be julio twenty four seven entering camp and for a young gm and a young head coach that stress. They don't need that going into your one gap. Yeah gina what's your takeaway on the level of compensation the falcons got you think it was fair. All things considered. Yeah i mean obviously on its face. I think that it's Underwhelming for player of julio's caliber this. He is going to be a hall of famer. He is like perpetual pro bowler He's a generational kind of player and so yeah from that perspective. It's underwhelming But if you're looking at the reality of the situation the falcons weren't a really difficult position specifically with the salary cap. Which is not the fault of terry. Font noah arthur smith. They're still cleaning up messes and are going to be for some time. Left behind by the previous administration and so You know just knowing that knowing that they didn't even have enough money to sign their draft. Picks is it puts them at a real disadvantage and then what further complicated at was really going on. The undisputed live are not saying that he wanted a halt. Really put the falcons between a rock and hard place because if you're star player wants out he doesn't wanna play for you like you've got to move them and so i think that that just created a different level of Urgency for the team to go ahead and move on their. Yeah yeah that makes sense to me. That does kind of tie into practical brokers comment with the five dollars donation as well practical. Thank you so much. We appreciate your support. He says people talk like there was some sort of choice and there really wasn't because you wanted to leave a previous poor decisions. Finally to the franchise with this we could finally move forward and upward. Let the new era began with some adults in charge of personnel for change. Yeah so yeah. I definitely hoping for that practical for sure man Also we do have joining us. Dave golic himself. Dave i know your time is somewhat limited. So i wanted to give you a chance to weigh in on the. We're talking about the compensation as what do you think about. The compensation the falcons are able to get for. Julio well nobody gave me any money. Your draft picks for being personally hurt by the trade. So that's unfortunate too big honestly it's a big negative for me personally You know the compensation i think you. I can't ignore the drumbeat of you know. There's no way they're getting a first round pick. I think to your point kevin if they had dragged this out long enough you might have gotten the kind of injury or you know. Oh crab moment from the gm who was like. I have to have julio. But i think even then you know it wouldn't have been what what has been called in recent weeks a clean. First rounder right. They would've wanted something else back. In addition to julio and i suspect that the first rounder that was out there reportedly Then i think albert brea wrote today about this Was not clean. you know they. They were expecting to get another draft. Pick back along with julio. You know it doesn't seem like enough. It's it was never gonna feel like enough for julio jones because he's julio jones i think if you look at the fact that so many reports suggesting they weren't gonna get it. It's probably a fair price. It's hard for me at somebody who was really excited about putting all these weapons on the field together You know seeing what matt ryan and arthur smith could do with julio jones calvin ridley kyle pits etc To accept that you know second rounder and then a fourth round next year And he's gone so it doesn't feel like enough even if they really nail those two picks which i hope they do You know it will never quite feel like enough but they were kind of backed up against the wall. They clearly decided that this was going to how they were gonna excuse me. They were going to free their caps faced by doing this Julio wanted out so knowing that knowing as best we can from the reports that were out there. What else was being offered It's probably the right move but it's a move that makes me sad so i don't like yeah big said big said for sure Yeah i don your your thoughts on the compensation. I figure was fine. Entre used to because you are worth with the market dictates. And i understand. We are fans of the falcons. Were fans of william john. So we're we're going to look at it with our heart in our emotions all the time. And you know you'll get what will you jones's don Franchise in the past ten years. And like dave said nomadic compensation would have ever felt like it would have been enough but then just Just to look at it from the other side of things from let's say tennessee's point of view who made the trade off. Julio jones is thirty two years old he's certainly not he certainly toward the back end of his prime on the wrong side of thirty he has a contract. They take his entire contract. And i commend. Terry on no like eric said for sticking to his for drawing that line in the sand and for saying if if you don't take his entire contract than its no-go like well will hold onto for as long as possible so they're taking his entire contract. Which in my opinion. I feel like the falcons in i wrote an article about this years ago. Back in twenty eighteen goes a mistake. T even give him that three-year sixty six million dollar contract when he had three years left on his on his deal in the replaced. The new year's of like just now started to like. That's what's funny about. It is like that was a terrible precedent is said i feel like thomas dimitrov's through his just his pandering to the fan base. He always he constantly made moves that were questionable on the field on the bugs but that made him you know look better toward the fan base which is always a terrible quality to have for. Gm in you know in that explains a few of those terror those like ridiculous like draft night videos of him explaining the drop to the fan base after reasonable pick. But you know that's a story for the that's s for the dead zone episodes coming soon. Yeah but yeah it's Will jones as have three years left. I remember albert brewer in that article in that article. I recommend everyone to read it on monday morning quarterback this morning a fantastic article had a lot of insights. Something else that people may be considering folio. Jones has a great season this year. Which you know definitely possible. He may demand another contract going into next season. And you know he may be willing to hold out as well so that that plays into it as well. There's there's a lot of levels. There's a lot of layers to this which you know it sucks wanted as much obligations ospel. But given the fact that he demanded trade months ago Given the fact that he's thirty two years old that that's on the table the fact that this contract in my opinion pretty pretty rich for him are pretty rich overall on the twenty two million dollar a year annual contract feel like a second round pick and fourth round next year is. It's fine given the fact that they took inspire contract. Yeah yeah that makes sense to me. And then finally. We'll wrap it up with evan here on the compensation evan anything else. You wanted to add now think everybody covered brilliantly. The only other thing is You know i see online. Some people make the comparison in that they could have gotten more that Mohamed sanu round. Pick in i think. Dwi said it best on the podcast yesterday That the falcons robbed the patriots like that was robbery This was more of a fair trade in what you'd expect Considering his age is unknown said steps so yeah yeah. That's that's true definitely something to keep in mind So yeah i guess now we could talk about the salary cap implications because those are very important as well So the the trade does clear a lot of salary this year. For the falcons it clears fifteen point. Three million which was the entire base salary from. Julio jones it does not clear his seven point. seven five million dollar prorated signing bonus and the way they did it with the post you i cut. It delays the rest of the parade bonus until next year but that ends up being a bad thing for next year because they have to pay two years worth of bonus both next season so the fact is only ended up actually saving about three point. Seven five million in twenty twenty two net because they're paying fifteen million in prorated both next year but he is completely off the books by twenty twenty three so they do see some relief later but obviously that's a big deal for this year getting that money off the books. The falcons are expected to need around seven point one or so million to sign the draft class which means that they have about eight million left after julio jones's trade so they do have some money to play around with but you know with with julio now gone and the salary cap relief. They're probably going to use the money to bring in some players this year. They could also potentially save some of it for next year to roll over to help with next year's cap problems which are also significant. You know just people know but Let's talk about what they might do with the salary cap this year. Other than signing the rookies. So dave i'll go to you first. You expect them to to bring in some extra free agents or do you think they're going to end up saving most of this for next year. You know i think they'll they'll shock some money away. I saw not expecting them to go out. And get a bunch of guys that we want. Even if that would be a good way to make you feel better kinda like when your your parents lose your puppy or something. They buy some toys. I guess i don't know i. I'm not on my metaphor game today. But yes i do expect them to be somewhat active and go out there and pick up some veterans. I think you look at this team as constructed and we can all pick out the holes right even if you're fairly comfortable with some of the the stopgap guys they've put together here. I still have some serious questions. Even with the mp's blitz happy whereas whereas the pass rush gonna come from you know who besides fowler is being counted upon to be like a major player. For the falcons. So i think they'll at least sniff around I know justin houston's a name that's come up a lot. It would be nice if a little bit late to get him in atlanta At this stage of his career like you know would have been better fused drafted. But that's a separate topic for another day And i do think that. The team's running back depth there. Their cornerback depth and certainly Even along the offensive line where you have some question marks. I think about the veteran depth at least They could go out and add some players For relatively cheap. So i i don't think they're gonna make any huge splashes to to shore things up The one thing that. I'm not sure of his you know. Are they going to go. Get a wide receiver Given that leo is no longer here. There's there's no slam dunk option. I think to elevate To his starting role. Although i kind of expected to go to russell gauge at this point But regardless of that you know. I i think given the option. So they've assembled they just signed sharp seems like a month or two ago both probably a week or two. So you know it's just time has no meaning anymore. Oh my gosh But yeah i think you know they'll look at the talent assembled And then they may also dip into that. But i definitely think even setting aside even if it's just a couple of million they'll be active. I don't quite done with the pasta yet. Yeah i agree. I think they're probably going to sign somebody. Maybe two players maybe three and they're not going to go spend every penny that they have so if you guys are like oh well technically you know they could go sign ingram gino atkins and they can go signed brian poole and they could sending guard and all they're probably going to add a couple players but expect them to probably keep at least three or four million reserve and they'll probably be hoping to just kind of carry that over to next year if they can Every little bit helps. Thank you kevin. I they actually want to sign all those guys. Dave told them not to Okay so it's all days fault. When it doesn't happen good to know at the pump. All with your your your. He'll tear has been fascinating to watch so wait a minute so they so dave can tell them to lille. Yeah that's exactly it. Will yo actually one to stay. But they dave album that he sucks so the fan. Still all your twizzlers on the ground. Now most serious for you. How big sad big set. But yeah Do you have any players that you'd want them to sign any. What do you think they're gonna do with this money. Given what we've seen. I think that terry off no has made it the number one priority to fix the cap room. And that's going off of what you said earlier that they could have restructured brady jared if they wanted to end held on julio jones until training camp but They chose now. Because on giving who radio jared in extension next off season will maximize The relief on the cap space. That you know thomas dimitrov made a mess out of in the past few years so i think that they may look to sign a cheap free agent Maybe even two. But they're definitely not gonna go on some spending spree after signing the draft class. I think that the majority of the wanna carry over into next offseason because julio jones has a dead cockpit that you're going to have to get next offseason as well yeah. Yeah it's you know they they probably if anything it's going to be a lot of one year deals Because they don't necessarily have much to carry over next german. They'll have a little bit more flexibility. They do have some potential moves they can do if they were to extend matt ryan which they will. They will extend matt ryan. I'm very sure about that. Unless they're not keeping matt ryan so That seems unlikely at this point. So with matt ryan extension integrated you extension can save like over thirty million right there. So that obviously helps. That's not a ton to play around with. But it's a lot more than they had this year. So they'll be okay next year but they still don't have room to make any of these big big maneuvers for for premium players. But there are certainly some relatively low price guys that they consider gina kelly. Do you have any any players that you're paying for them to sign here any any spot address. Well so spo track is projecting. The falcons have like just over sixteen million and available space right now and they're also projecting that it will cost over thirteen million to sign their draft class. So i mean. I'm sure that they would love the sign. Some free agents but with what because that is not very much money left. I mean you're talking doesn't for the records does not factor in the top fifty one rule for the draft class amount. We actually know the only do they. Ha they both for the top sixty one. Yeah the top fifty one. That dollar amount is Sorry that's dead money. A ten point four million so still not a time and if they're looking to carry over some To the cap for next year. I just don't know what they're going to sign for asians lead so i would not get your hopes up about any likes. Flashy because the falcons broke. There's almost twenty two million dollars isn't then cap getting back to you know slandering thomas de about how poorly he handled it. And so that's a big part of the problem. And chipping away at that and getting that off. The bucks has got to be a big priority for fun though because that's just wasted money. They're still paying desmond trufant. When when did he move on. It's been years right. I know time is fake now. Seems like a long time ago. Yeah no i i don't. His deal is weird they're still paying like prorated signing bonus or something stupid from allen's yeah yeah they must be so anyway. That's kinda how i see it. I mean obviously have needs There are some free agents out. there wouldn't be too expensive and could actually help the team. But i don't know that they really have the flexibility to sign anybody but their draft class right now. Yeah yeah no. it's limited. Obviously like you know best case scenario they can maybe get a handful of guys in here. but yeah it's it's going to be tight. Someone very specific. Like melvin ingram. Brian poole a try turner. You know someone who's gonna none of those guys are likely to be prohibitively expensive just because like you know. They're still on the market so they can't be that you know expensive at this point but i don't think they're going to be willing to sign for like veteran minimum either so how they ask nicely we can send them fruit baskets. Yeah so. I mean. We'll see i'm interest. I'm very interested to see this like it's like a spo track slash otc fight because one of them as they have very different numbers for the class. I'm interested to see where ends up. Actually falling that is they see what you're saying because they are apparently factoring it in but so yeah i am. I'm very interested to see signs science. Because because that the difference between that ten million number you said and the seven million. That's otc says. That's a big difference. That's wild yeah exactly. And so if otc is right then. Yeah i definitely think they'll add a few. you know. Lower priced veterans through free agency. I end there are a bunch of guys available who aren't going to be very expensive but But yeah if track is right then. They're working with peanuts. So yeah so yeah. I will be eerily awaiting to see how that actually shakes out. And in the meantime anybody else have any afraid they are going to cape for of for you move on here own. Yeah i mean. I do expect him to get at least one free agent maybe to if if if revealing lucky but i think this is the element that terry fonteneau shines when it comes to finding those bargain three agents and making them work within the system icon. That's pretty much how he developed his reputation in worley. I think this is an opportunity for him to kinda you know flex his muscles a little bit and get that that free agent. That's out there. Now that they have a little cash and you know we. We may look back on it. You know five six months from now said man they. He signed it that free agent after training. Julio for pennies and now is free agent is leading the team in this. Or he's doing this So i expect them to get at least one. But i also expect them to go into the season with roughly five or six million dollars in like emergency funds which are smart. Which is one thing that i've always liked about the previous regime. They they always. The meech did that every year. He went into the season with in case of emergency money and it was smart. I mean you wouldn't go on a trip with no money in your pocket would you. You wouldn't kind of foolish so it's the same thing like going to a seven game season and you wouldn't want to do that but no money because anything can happen so like i. i do. Expect them to get one free agent. I'm with dave. I hope that free agent is probably more society ball. Help out that pass rush. Because i'm a little worried about that myself. So we'll we'll see going in that direction. I wanted to add to that real quick too. When you said. You know. Terry fonteneau eric and you know his track record here. And what might actually happen Ross jackson with canal street chronicles. Which is our sister site for the saints Wrote a good article this morning talking. About how the julio jones trade might not be a benefit to the saints obviously the benefit is julio jones's in the division anymore but one thing he noted. Was you know. This is what terri fonteneau is good at. It proved that in new orleans is picking up those budget free agents. Who turned out to be somebody and he said you know with that opportunity with that cash. You wouldn't expect him to squander it and then that's coming from somebody who knows you know. Terri fontana track record. Well so my hope is that that carries over to atlanta and we do get a guy or two who ends up being Not an impact player but certainly a useful one. Yeah yeah. I mean i think i think it's very interesting and again it depends on exactly how much the draft class is going to cost and what these guys are willing to sign for. But like you would think players. Like melvin ingram like justin houston have offers on the table. And maybe they're just maybe they're just you know weighing where they would like to play obviously like just in houston melvin ingram they could potentially walk right into a starting role so that might be a game changer for them if they're trying to perhaps parlay themselves into a decent contract next year with a one year deal in atlanta. I still can't believe like brian poole isn't signed. I mean he was one of the best nickel corners if not the best nickel corner in the league. Twenty twenty so. I just don't understand why he's not signed like he's a great blitzer like you know. No offense is a all who was like a fine slot corner last year but if pool is available for like two million or less i would just bring in pool let oliver be depth instead and have a much more comfortable top three in the secondary so i just i just don't get why he's not being signed. I mean i think he would be perfect. For what dean pees likes to deal with the blitzing. So it's just weird to me that he's still out there. But most important i think would be adding a pass. Rusher so melvin. Ingram justin houston. They're willing to come here for a few million dollars. Come right on down. Guys i will. I will welcome you with open arms. I don't even care just houston's thirty two like the reunion has been a longtime coming so he needs to go ahead and get up in here. That would be great but yeah man. There's just there's a lot of emotions writing on this. Julio trade to and i don't want to get too much into that. Because i think it's it's very tough to talk about. We can recover donations real quick to. We had another two dollars from demonte twenty four. He says i love you. Guys love all the work. You do Do we need a wide receiver to and do we need someone. That's more of a deep threat. Anyone out there. We could acquire gauge. Seems like he's more suited to the slot. Also i think kyle is going to go for eight hundred yards and eight touchdowns because we need it like. There's not really any great wide receivers available. I mean like. Larry fits technically still out there. I think but i think he's basically considering retiring at this point and just with like taj sharp is probably like an example of what you're going to be able to find the free agent market right now and sharp was like a fine wide receiver four slash. Three maybe four. Arthur smith and twenty one thousand nine hundred where you had like three hundred and thirty yards and four touchdowns on twenty five catches. That's fine production. But yeah i mean. I don't think they're gonna be able to go out and add an impact receiver in free agency. They're going to be depending a lot on guys like russell gauge obviously to step up. Allama zacchaeus frank darby and you know. Tie thai sharp who they just signed. Who's probably walking into a roster spot at worst at this point. But what do you guys think about the wide receiver depth at this point without. Julio do they need to make more additions there. Are we as good as we're going to get at this point. Anyone i mean they could add you. Know they could obviously add more talent at that position. But i think we're the falcons are really fortunate. Is that obviously calvin. Ridley isn't very player. He would have been the top out on any team and didn't have holyoke jones so i think he's very prepared to step into that role Cow pits amazing. I'm super excited to see what he can do. At the next level and while holy was really irreplaceble. I think that kyle pets might be the type of player who can come closer than most other players as far as replacing that productivity and just that threat on the field Beyond that like gauge relieved lashed some last year. I think that he showed some promise I think that they're probably okay. I'm more concerned at this point about making sure that they have a successful or like remotely effective ground game. Because i think that that's gonna make the passing game is easier general And so and also you know we've seen while arthur smith offenses can do when they do have that effect of ground. Am so i think at this point. I'm much more worried about the running back situation that i am about the receiver group. Yeah since taking a very kyle shanahan esque approach to running back Where he's like. I don't care whoever it is is going to get a thousand yards because my scheme is is what matters. They're going to try that. you know. Mike davis obviously someone who's capable of being starter but outside of one really good season in san francisco. He's been you know pretty pretty average in terms of his stats. They do have quarter. Patterson who i guess is kind of a wildcard. But he's probably more of a few carries a game kind of gadget player than he is a guy you're giving ten plus carries to and i know door door nystroem and there's definitely a high performing for. Jv and hawkins to be a guy who actually does have a role on this team As the more dynamic presence so we'll have to see what kind of role he can grow into. But yeah i mean it's it's going to depend a lot on scheme and also the offensive line stepping up because the run blocking was not adequate last year. And we can definitely blame dirk koetter for some of it but either way the run blocking was simply not good enough so You can only do so much scheme you know. I felt like this. You know this was really going to set the offense back a little bit. And i still feel that way. When there's there's no replacing julio jones and get a free agent and you're not going draft a certain guy and hope he develops and says okay. We have filled that void. There's there's no doing that especially at this point. In time for the falcons so that wide receiver core as a whole Count everybody's literally. Everybody's gonna have to step up. Calvin really is gonna have to now the elite horses i know he had. He had his trial by fire last year. The performed very well without julio but now now all the tips are really on the table. Now you're really the wide receiver. One now defenses are really going to be preparing to taking you out of the equation on game day so It's it's this. This is going to be interesting to see how they minutes forward. I'm not. I don't think honestly they go and get another guy free agency. I think they're just gonna roll with what they have. They're fairly deep that receiver right now. It's just more of question marks at anything else. Yeah but i would tell you this i mean. I don't think it's going to happen. But a foul pits doesn't have a great year is not look good what they're really dependent on that at this point and rightfully so traffic for the world. You expect the. He's coming into the season highest but man if out pits not counterfeits. And you one which is a lot to ask for rookie. Man is office on to me this office going bog now. Yeah yeah. it's it's going to be tough if kyle pits isn't as expected because they're really depending on him to to be the guy right away and if any tight end can come into the league and do it. Pits probably has the as good chance as anyone. But they're putting a lot of pressure on him to to step in smith author. Smith has dealt with two athletic tidiness before your call years ago when he drafted john smith. They still have the luxury of having delaney walk on the roster who still a respectable formidable tight end in the league at that time. So he's used to having to let it tight ends or i'm not saying he's used to it but he's done it before he's dealt with it before i think with these type of guys with hayden hurt with with hurson pits. What's good about them. They're they're very athletic. They're able to be flexed out. Why considerably. And i think he's probably going to have to resort to that a little bit This year as well because of that aspect of not having that guy like who jones around. So i think you're gonna see plenty of two tight end sets but also think you're to see low times where coming out of the huddle pits ezra c. Or maybe hers may be an expert or hers may be a slot. you're going to see extra debt And i think that they're gonna kinda lean on yet. Aspen speaking hits. I think he'll be more of a wide receiver to all with the way he's lined up as opposed to for dishes tight end with you know In regard to just line of construct. I think we'll see will use pits a lot the A lot of all the way the saints used jimmy graham his day in the early twenty tens. So i've been we're gonna roll into this with new orleans wide receiver wanted outfits really in that more defacto wide receiver to roll and more of its item. Tiny let me ask you this massachusetts reports so remember. The panthers drafted devon punches and was listed as a tight end but he really lead out to the point where pants kind of forced him to play receiver and it took him a few years really getting up under his belt. Are you guys. We're seeing the same thing with pets where it's like okay. He's listed as a tight end. Six six to forty five. But i wouldn't be surprised if the guy leans out a little bit more and next thing you know. He's six six to twenty five to thirty and now. He's playing primarily receiver. He does foresee that. I mean i. I don't think they want that. I think they want to have a metal tight end either. i think they will plan more wide receiver. But i don't think the kind of body change will happen just because of how fast he is right now devon punches fine coming out of college but he wasn't bits like outfits is another level and were governed punches was and i think he's more prepared and more students play wide receiver right away. The point just was coming into carolina. Right right if They pretty much. They forced funches to receiver. And i don't know if he was ready for that transition. I don't think he was able enough for that type of transition and saw what the end result was. I'm just wondering if if it because to me. I think we're pits. The only way you're going to get the best out of him is just like not even have he does. He doesn't need to have. Why receiver responsibilities or tied responsibilities. Just get his ass on the field. That's that's how i'm looking at it. Yes yes nightside right. Like he doesn't necessarily need to have like he doesn't need to strictly pay one or the other end like pisses like much more of a transcendent. I guess athlete than like funchess funchess had decent size. He was six four to thirty two. Which obviously is really big first seaver but he ran a four seven so like this is a guy that probably should have been a tight end and they did in kind of bumped around a little bit but he was not an athlete like he was not anywhere near pits isn't athlete so like i don't feel like they're gonna try to keep it. Don't play receiver. Even though it was clearly designed for clearly they elect does not belong. how boundaries. But he also didn't block so that was a problem too when you're that big and you can't smoke so that's a big problem but yeah i mean i guess we'll have to see how how pits perform this year and it's going to be a lot of responsibility for him but i think that he's going to perform well. I don't know that like he'll ever live up to the expectations. That people have put on him just because he's so hyped but he'll probably have like you know i think some people that were saying he'd have like around two hundred yards. I think that's pretty reasonable. He'll probably have a good number of touchdowns as well but pits is probably gonna be the de facto number two receiver. But i think he's still gonna play a lot of tied at like. I think he'll be in line some. He'll be flexed out some. You know he'll be used in the slot. Some they're probably just going to move him in hayden hearst around a lot but the big thing is that this is going to be probably a base twelve offense if they can keep their title healthy because they this is not a player. That's got a lot of hype. At least myth is someone they brought in as well actually traded for him. He's a great blocker. So i think they're going to be using multiple tight end sets as their base offense or which means it could be as much as three receiver sets and that helps a lot of things we've talked about it before that the twelve personnel forces the defense to play to choose between playing nickel against a run more of a run focus package or playing bass against two tight ends. That are probably more athletic than the majority of linebackers you'd put on them so They're probably hoping that. Having that schematic and matchup advantage can help them overcome the loss of a true difference maker wide receiver like julio jones and that they can kind of scheme their way out of a kind of top heavy wide receiver group. I mean like they have calvin ridley who was obviously a wide receiver one but russell gauge. Probably best as a wide receiver three and they have just kind of a bunch of wide receiver. Three guys which is great for depth. But they don't necessarily have a second guy. That's a true threat at wide receiver after calvin ridley So they're going to be depending on pits to be basically that guy to be that high receiving threat because if anything happens to readily than it has to be pits as like game changer. Because there's not really anyone else that's going to fill that role so it's it's scary scary. It is saying he's not capable of doing. It is the fact that you're you're telling a young rookie tight end. Who's the highest tight ever. You're telling him we need you to mostly fill up julio's base no pressure. Yeah no we just need. You have to be julio your one but if you can just be you can be quitting. Taurus that'd be great you know if you can if you can just feel most of his shoes not all of them again. That's a lot to ask for for ricky tight in yet. Because it's i. I'm i'm a little nervous. I'll be honest with you. They have to me. They have the components to be a really good offense. I'm not talking like kansas city. Tampa bay top five. I thought they could have been that. With julio absolutely i. I think they have enough right now to be a really good offense but i even if pits who he is who can't be or even if he has a year i can't. I can't see this office unit as a whole being in a league. Yeah it's harder to see that. Like ceiling without julio here you don't have that. Truly elite like dominant possibility. Very much as cards without julio it kind of reminds me of like kansas. City's offense in a way which is obviously city has mahomes. Which is there like illegal talent but that team has a really good receiver anti tyreek hill and a great tight end and travis kelsey but like the rest of the offensive. Weapons aren't like none of them are really like hi. Andy lee guys there's a lot of contributors but it's more of whoever shows up on one particular sunday one sunday. Maybe sammy watkins. That gives them. You know six catches on another sunday. It made me the market. Roberts gives six cats as you know one day maybe hilar- who gives them. You know some receiving punch to make the difference but while it works in kansas city it works in kansas city. Because well they have. Andy reid mahomes saw right now. Homes and the offensive line notwithstanding last year due to lots of opt-outs injuries. Being pretty damn good so not so mitch. And you have. You have a never a talent in tyreek hill. Who are afraid of. Let's be quite honest. Take they're gonna play. They play tarried seniors of the ball. So i mean that's already gives them an eventually. Yeah we'll see what happens but really narrow but it's a lot has to go right this this this up and it's going to really show us like how much of a bonus arthur smith is like if he's as good as his stats show in tennessee where he took that offense from being kind of perennial perennially mediocre to the best red zone offense in the league by like a mile and you know a lot of other good sets along the way like that if he can do that here. In like tennessee's offense had some weapons but they weren't like absolutely stacked i mean they had. Aj brown had corey davis and they had jonnu smith but like outside of those the atlanta. You could say like oh well. Atlanta has you know calvin ridley in russell gauge and kyle pits and hayden. They have comparable weapons. But you know it just depends like is the scheme as good as we think it is and can the offensive line do that also silverback ruin. Well yeah derrick henry. That's important that's an important quit Yeah so we'll see if he needs a derrick henry to make that work or not but Yeah so we'll see. I know someone in the chat mentioned Zacchaeus zacchaeus has a role certainly more of a role now than you did before. But you know. I don't know how big of role it will be. Maybe it. maybe they've used a kiosk as a true contract. Maybe they view him as seaver three type of player. And you know now. We're going to get him on the field more that who gone so i think the key is zeke was always way too talented to be an undrafted free agent. It was always puzzling that he didn't get drafted so we'll see we'll see what happens there. We do have one last donation. Five dollars from george costanza show benefactor. Thank you george appreciate you. He says all right guys. We make that deep playoff run and the super bowl. I'm going to tweet leone. Ask him how the beaches since he wanted to go to brighter shores elsewhere i think pits could be our new. Julio jones in time. I assume he means yeah so. We're all hoping that. But that's just doing that yet. Don't put that on him but hopefully he's a very very good tight end. It will be interesting though to see how that offenses without arthur smith because you can look at the stats alone than see how much everybody improved when arthur smith took over as offensive coordinator All jalen hill had by far his best season. So it's a map ryan to the new ryan. Tannehill is going to be you know like an upgrade. I mean i don't see ryan tannehill haven't a better season than he did last year. Right all of a sudden tannahill is a elite quarterback. This football plays into that. When you seven rushing touchdowns as ryan tannehill did not. But yeah i mean. Yeah he he put up respectable numbers but am come on guys. Let's be to say that he was in a league. Passer gotta look at the numbers nail. They were twenty six in the league in passing last year. They well. it's a very old questions. Were reason it's a very intermediate scheme so of course the passing of stellar through the ball deep twice a game. They hit every time they threw it but they didn't exactly i mean they didn't bomb it. But that's kind of another thing about arthur smith. He doesn't throw a lot of deep bombs but they seem to work when he does throw them. So that helps right so yeah. We'll see you. This will be the test you know. We'll see if it's like. It was waiting when he takes people that next level like derrick henry who you know right now is like a football god. Even it wasn't like perfect right when he was drafted at the first two seasons. I think he was battling demarco. Murray and than dion lewis for snaps like he wasn't just perfect women. Get arthur smith right right in north In he knew exactly how to use them now he's one of the best players in the nfl. I'm united also hate to say this. But you know the pelicans with leo jones lost. You're still only won four games so it's not like we're really not like we like just gutted a super bowl roster right now. We haven't made the playoffs like four years. So i'm definitely looking forward to seeing what the newer redeem can do giving them a fair chance with this team. After we saw their connor did with the team in the previous coaching staff did for the past three years in. Also find it ironic. That julio's mad that the falcons were losing and one of the main reasons why he demanded a trade was because they fired gang lost. You're like that. That's just not that is zero czar. Where he's yelling upside go into the team is going into the titans who were made good a largely because of the offensive scheme that was by. Now the falcons head coach. Yeah i don't that all that i don't understand. Yeah i mean. I kinda wanted to save that for the most part. Just because like you said just because like i'm hoping we'll get like more intel like some of julio side maybe because we have gotten some intel you know about who does motives and how everything played out but we haven't heard much about like from julio's perspective so maybe by winter a little bit more i can understand. I can understand his reasoning as far as why he wanted okafor sung but to come out and say all right one of my ideal destinations. Is tennessee wait a minute. What mike i don't hold on To me again. I'm going to look at. This is the lateral lateral tennessee. Tennessee right now with. Julio is to me is not that much better than on land. They are in certain aspects but to me. I don't even think even with julio in the fall right now. I still don't think see is the division favorite in the afc. South indies. the king. Right there i. I guess i mean it really depends. Aren't there smith right. Like if arthur smith was really wet made that offense special. They need julio just to tread water. Because we're going to see you know it's this means if you were if if you if he was upset about how the defense played over the past few years in atlanta not put to a stellar s. Right now to the seat. This is modest in the reason why they took a step back because the defensive coordinator in atlanta less tippett st and yet date fell apart after that. So i don't understand why tennessee. We'll say that basically put putting into terms for a simple folk who aren't millionaires. It'd be like working at wellsfargo an nba. Like i'm out of here. I hate doing this kind of stuff. I'm going to go elsewhere and then you go to like bank of america. It's like okay. What is tennis. Which i'm done with the baking field and then all of a sudden you're right reaches bank now like wait a minute yet. Yeah yeah so you know. We'll see like there's a lot of like titans people in the chat. That are really taking this the wrong way like i have. No i think if they still had arthur smith why why do you say that arthur smith is good. It's like implied. The titans are not good anymore. It's like look like you lost arguably one of the best offensive coordinators in the league and you guys have sour grapes about it. You need to kind of get over it man like like leaving that you're gonna regress. It all is is not like that's not realistically. Let's be quite honest. A good portion of that tennessee fan base was kinda hurt that he fucking lesson. So what is some now. It's all we went through the same thing with taukina yes. We tried to pretend that it wasn't a big deal. That was definitely it was the tennessee. Fans were discouraged that he left and got a head coaching job. They didn't want to leave now. All of a sudden he's just a guy called the plays all right. Whatever we'll see about that. It's like the titans have town. There's there's no question about yes. Good offense it's just like are they going to be number one red zone offense because if you give the titans. The falcons red zone efficiency last year. They're probably not a playoff contenders. And that's more of an indictment of darker than anything but so we'll see because they're still they're still hanging over. Ryan tannehill defected. He's been in the league this long. He's played at tennessee for this long and teams in the davis are still looking at him as though the weakest link offense sas something. Now you're looking at imminent aspect and they're also looking at you. Don't have your playcaller debts being called in place for you to pass two years. What are you gonna do now so again. You don't you don't just luck into seventy five percent red zone efficiency two years in a row. You don't let us. That's incredible like because it was three years ago. Tannehill was atrocious under adam gates. We saw how bad he is. With the below average playcaller we saw when he got with a play. Caller that called place history. We saw. what was what he was capable. Okay well nettie. Cuisine is gone off has gone. So now what ryan tannehill. That's that's the question that's the question now. Can you win like this without your play calling. And it's like i guess. Derrick henry contributed just like lots of players contribute. You didn't have that red zone efficiency. The first several years you had. Derrick henry you were still using freaking. Who was that other running back. The titans sign. That was not good. Dan lewis your previous. Offense was split carries with dion lewis derrick henry before that so don't pretend that it was always just derrick henry doing everything derrick. Henry didn't score the majority of the titans red zone touchdowns either a pretty sure so all of a sudden is a good. There's nothing wrong with the titans offense. We'll see how todd downing does but pretending that losing arthur smith is not gonna make a difference is ridiculous gonna beat also ridiculous. We're going to see. I mean i think tena hill certainly had a career resurgence in tennessee. And obviously he had something to do with that So i'm not. I'm not gonna say the leap because i i watched the games. He posted great numbers because all their smith call plates certain way to say he was efficient yet. So we'll see. I mean i don't think anyone saying that times are going to suck all the something it's just like when you lose a quality offensive coordinator it. It hurts your offense so maybe with the addition of julio like it's kind of a net a net wash but it's just weird that i feel like i mean falcons fans did the exact same thing so like i understand but i'm telling you you are doing the exact same thing we were doing and you're probably going to have a bit of a rude awakening like losing your offense coordinator who was doing amazing things for you. It's not gonna help your offense. It's not going to help your office so that that's all like no one. Here has a problem with titans honestly like of all the teams that were mentioned. The titans were one of the ones. I was hoping. Julio would end up with because i think the titans are like one of the least onerous teams in the nfl. I think they're very generally. Titans fans are very polite and nice. I've known a lot of them. I have a lot of family in tennessee. So you know. I've always had a soft spot for the team. So like if you guys sick we're like trying to shit on the titans where that's coming from. But probably teams. I don't bother me. And i hope they do. Well so you know just saying everybody calm down. So yeah we. We lost obviously gene. Kelly and dave showed they had to go back to work. But we thank you for coming on for everyone else. Just give you a chance to to get any file takes off. We'll start with burchfield at birchford on twitter. Evan anything that you would like to add anything you'd like to plug Not really Well i do have my thirty two sleepers on thirty two teams fantasy article coming out eventually and just go the called dot com. 'cause we got a lot of julio stuff planned reminiscing about in lichen subscribe involved instagram page. I guess i do stuff to like. Yeah definitely check that out stuff. Took that out for sure guys and also with us we have eric robinson. He is at underscore. Eric underscore robinson eric. Anything that you'd like to add anything that you're working on this morning will this morning. I had a retrospective column on jones career in atlanta. That was of. it's nothing on the dot com. Get read pretty much. Just kind of flassbeck. A little bit to his time in atlanta has ten seasons there what he meets a team what he meant to the city on if what he meant to just in general that a lug in definitely had auto dot dot com. Yes check that out guys for sure also with us. We have a at say which way odd non anything else. You'd like to add anything you'd like to plug. Oh yeah. I'm working in the middle of the alka alcoholic vulcans greatest moments bracket or in two right now so You know evans been doing a great job while helping me with the graphics for that those are getting turned out and they will be in the coming weeks so you know. Check those out in dog. Oh for your favorite balkans place. Yep definitely check that out. That's a lot of work in that. It's a very fun serious. 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We do appreciate that thanks to everyone for donating We do appreciate your support there and for everyone just tuning in and weathering the julio jones storm with us even thanks to tighten fans for watching appreciate you guys to. This is not you. Guys are making this lake confrontational. And we're not trying to make this confrontational you. Thank you for watching and you know. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion. I hope that julio does succeed there in the afc guys you're like we have beef with like so many afc teams like the patriots of you guys just like crap on all of them and just you know we could meet in the super bowl. That'd be fantastic. But you know if you wanna make it like this mean thing you know between us. I guess that's okay but let's all just you know relax a little bit. It's it's the off season so until then guys for all of us here at talk live. We appreciate you. 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Buc'In the News for Week 17, Bucs vs Falcons

The PewterCast : A Tampa Bay Bucs Fan Podcast, Buccaneers

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Buc'In the News for Week 17, Bucs vs Falcons

"TOUCHDOWN TAMPA Bay. You're listening pewter cast well sued up uter cast asked I am Brent Allen your host joined as always by my good friend. I feel like I haven't talked to in a while Rand Dax with this bucket in the news here for week. Seventeen buddy this. Is it the end of the season is upon us. It is is finally over. Oh Man I know it's it's so weird it's like like it's it's a on a podcasting level like we get to the spot especially like through the holidays and it. Ah especially our recording schedule. I just you know the the length of the season Kinda drags. But I'm telling you in in two weeks I'm going to be like Hey Ren Ren you wanna you're on podcast tonight. We got to. We've got to talk about the bucks. Let's just talk about it. Let's make something right exactly. Yeah you want to so. So it's it's been it's been a it's been a hell of a season You know I don't want to say too little too late it just you know first year head coaching doing stuff. I'M NOT GONNA say culture change but I mean it's been it's been weird when man but it's not over yet. We still have one more for game this weekend. Against the Atlanta Falcons We will be if we win. We'll sweep home for this year which I always feel feel weird about that word sweep like always swept the division vision rival. He played two games. Like I feel like a sweep implies more than two it just got. Both of them won every game. He played so now. We also swept the swept. The Rams Colts Right. You didn't sweep the Texans all we could not see no we did not Nor the titans nor the titans. It's it's not not probably teeth. That's what we'll do in two weeks. We'll we'll go through go. The probability of initials historically how the BUCCANEERS fared against teams with more than one T. A.. Hey No we will. We will not do that but rent. We've got what I what I hope is going to be a fiery show but one that might spark at least a little bit of conversation a little bit of debate at already kind of has a set up to say I got something to say. This is our buck in the new show. We'll get there in good time. We will get there. This is our buck the new show if you're just now joining us this year This is how this show works. This is the first chance that running. I get to sit and talk about everything. That's what's happened over the course of the last week with the Tampa Bay buccaneers. Their work week is over. There's nothing left to do it for them but to play the game. All the practices of happened the final injury reports Surrou- all the storylines have had their cycles. So now's our chance to get a chance to get a chance to look at what has happened. So we're GONNA do this in a few ways. We'll take a look at the transactions the roster remove the team has made over the course of the week update on those walls and take a look at any headlines that have come out that coutts us ren over the course and that it's where we may get into something We got an injury report. And then we'll do our own little fun. Segment will predict the inactive for this game as we'll look to see addictions not going to be playing. What's that I predict the last time we ever predict inactive it might be it might be Hugh knows as a farewell song to commute often? Oh isn't it though is it. We'll we'll get into all of that but ran. I sent out a tweet earlier today and I'll I'll tease it. Because we'll get to a later. I sent a tweet saying reports went out earlier this week. That Jameis Winston is a seeking thirty million a year right and And if the buccaneers can get him for that cheap than the buccaneers should jump on it. And we're GONNA talk about that and I right now. If people didn't see that and they heard that I imagined some some heads just exploded. Why you know maybe? They crashed their cars while driving. Hopefully you didn't please please be okay drive safe. It's just podcast but I wanNA talk about that and we we kind of put our moratorium on any James Winston talk until something happens talk. Yeah Yeah but something happened this week. We got a piece of news so this is falling in line with that. So we'll we'll discuss in terms of that as we go through but Brian. Let's go all the way to the top. Let's start where we always do. Let's start with transactions. We'll get to that other stuff later. Transactions just a couple of things. The team is dead. They waved Ishmael Hyman and tight in Jordan Jordan. Leggett who has been on the team on the active roster for the last eight weeks apparently Signed both those guys back to the practice squad but they promoted off the practice squad. Jaden Mickens pickens as wide receiver and cornerback. John Franklin I don't know anything about this. Jaden Mankins Guy. I don't actually remember him even being on the practice squad Do you know anything about about him. I do know about the other guy though. It's kind of yeah I WANNA talk. Yeah that's why I saved him for last So Jenkins here's the thing about Jake. Lincoln's though I the reason reason why is because issue harmon last year. Play or last week played. And were without my Kevin's obviously. Everybody knows that. WE'RE GONNA be without Chris. Godwin spoiler alert again this week so we are ars short on our wide receiver. So I would expect this guy to play not just be a bench warmer or not. Be Somebody on the inactive list. Obviously behind and didn't do what he needed to do last week in got his ass kicked back to the practice squad. You see why I think you know Our own Barstool sports superfan Steven Shay put out Outta a couple of plays and how he was missing blocks on that third in the play. Before break touchdown break touchdown break. Drop the fourth down at the very end of the game. How high Hyman was had. Vh Three and he knifed in and You know tackle Ron Jones like a loss awesome too and then on the first drive or whenever when Peyton Barbara it was like third one. They pitched it outside and he hurdled and he got like nine yards that call back for holding on because of Hyman and that was on He was he held Vernon was hyman so he showed like three or four of those and that was like the day after yet a cutting was like because I was surprised cut. Weren't you clutch cat. He made a big catch. Indianapolis game made a clutch catch the next game or it might have have him back and forth but he made a diving grabbing at a key. First down catch. Something can break. Didn't do do you hear that. He was like at his locker crying. Like like efforts like just taking it that hard and I'm not reveling reveling in that. It just to see it is that so so I feel so shitty to say but you're one hundred percent right it does to tell you it's like someone feels like feels my pain you know. And he's like he's he's like basically he just said I'm a professional and I screwed up but he's take my very seriously and you know the reports are that he was you know boarding on inconsolable and that's As fans is what we want to see. When this monumental mistake that could or could not have cost your team the game not the the reports of here everyone joking and laughing and and you know like talking about who were the going out later that and go into the club? It's like it's like it's like no. Oh and then you have the team reporters tell you no one cares more about winning or losing than these guys take hard. I'm like really really right. Ask My dog because my dog hates me right now. 'cause you just kicked him for the record doesn't have dogs. He only has cats. That's true don't come near me except for the one in your lap right now. He's on here orange. Kitty yes the stray pull into the other two totally ignored ordinance for two years. Yeah it's Franklin. Let's talk about him. cornerback over here. So apparently He played a little bit of it. Like he's he's been a guy who's been moved around over the course of his High School College. I guess maybe a professional career but he played deshaun Watson on the a scout team last week right for the buccaneers and apparently did such a good job that they went. Hey let's bring you up. We can we can use you in special packages is in place right or you know. Good job we'll give you a game check for a week because they thinks because we took to Shawn Watson who is who is by a lot of counts will say top five. QB In the League talent you could. He's yeah he's a he's there. He's one of the guys that I picked. I would rather have than Ed of the guys that I said. I would rather have this person that Jameis Winston he was one of the five right and he didn't have a great game last. We had a terrible game. Yeah and and that was due in part to I guess how John Franklin Played Deshaun Watson and prepared the buccaneers to face him. So you you good on him. I'm glad he's GonNa get his game check this week. Hope he's active. I think he probably will be and we'll see what happens. I'm interested to see because I know nothing about this guy other than in that particular story right. Yeah I WANNA see if If they do some things with him you know and that's what this is four like like they could have gone with hyman right right. You know. Yeah he missed a couple of blocks but he also sort of did his main job which is get open. Catch the ball but you know if feels like. He was kind of playing the Chris Guy. Urban role worry needs to be an interior blocker. Almost like an extra and in their uncertain. Run plays Where defender Dolphins Dolphins Viola? Actually let a guy shoot through and it's guy wins job to you know. Come down behind down the down the line and pick the guy up at least shield them off and you know I'm in didn't do that so I want to see I'm excited. Because basically the right. Hey do this. He did such a good job like wait a minute. This guy can do some things. It's the last game of the year you know we want to win it. But it's like a bench in Mike Evans for this Guy Right. I'm benching hyman right right so So I'm excited. I WanNa see what he can do. I find it interesting. So they swapped out wide receivers but then they swapped out a tight end for cornerback. And I I don't know that this quote unquote quarterback is going to actually play. cornerback like because it sounds like. He's a multi positional player roster corner but they're continuing on this athlete fleet trend. Yeah that Oh God the tight end. TJ Hooker Hudson. No no the one that caught the pass from Oh macelroy Cody McCall Roy mcelroy mcelroy. Yeah he's like a two star athlete guy you know and you know going back to two preseason when they had a fitzgerald Nick Fitzgerald I think yes. Yeah and he just dual threat quarterback and we were talking about moving them to possibly too tight Dan but he pulled his hammy playing beach volleyball. We never got to see him right and file a this Kinda ran time. They're like you know we need the roster spot. You gotta go. He's going to be the blue-collar anyways nice he found a spot on the tight. Endless like They could have put him. You know we talk about Jordan. Leggett like he was in in training. Camp got cut got put on the practice squad brought up but hasn't been active for one game not not a single one which by the way. I'm glad you bring that up. Because due to his time on on the active roster for eight games he's been on the active roster for apparently eight games that a cruise him a year of playing time that counts against his practice squad what eligibility rules have under two years of of accrued time. Got Her International Bai's laws regardless like he still gets Even though he was not active for a single game that he was on the active roster so get it or is that more of a penalty in this case. I think it's more of a penalty because it's not going to help him. Stay in the League. Should you know. Should he accrue another year in the back unless he's one of those exception. WE'RE NOT GONNA get into all that but I did one. Okay okay. Let's get into some of the headlines. One one real quick that just popped up way at the beginning of the Week extras even during last week's Game Bradley Pinon has set. NFL history he is the becomes the punter. Because why would we ever not talk about a punter he becomes the punter with the highest number of touch bax in NFL NFL history. I just I don't buy that. But then I am like I don't feel like like there's a spin exorbitant amount of touch bax and where we weren't we and by we. I just mean bucks people in general talking talking about potentially cutting this guy earlier this year because he's apparently not been terribly effective. Punter I guess when you look at him compared to all the other punters and how much the bucks are paying him in salary Cap Blah Blah Blah. Ah Blah Blah. Yeah it was like one of those if we let him go now we can you know get a compensatory pick for him same time. We're talking about Rishaad paramount right to but you know I I like his kickoffs I think is it touched kick or is it or is it touch backs in putting the ball in liens out. It's for kickoff so it's a good thing wait a minute. Yeah Yeah I got. I was thinking I was thinking he was putting the ball the in zone too much. No no this is this. This is as a kid guy. He's got the highest number of kick off. I didn't feel like that was. Yeah no yeah no. But here's the thing he he doesn't and and this goes to speaking towards our offense. He doesn't get that number of touch backs without the offense scoring as often as they do Like he didn't eat the Areso. You'll probably get as many as you have an opportunity to get and you get that you get at least one a game and then however many times you're often scores as as As placekicker right around kickoff guy. So anyway so. Congratulations Rally opinion. I said I don't really understand why this news it doesn't seem like one of those stats. You're like hey hey let's make history and show how good we are but I guess it was something they put out during during the game actually last week so okay let's run. Let's talk about the big headline fix it. The crappy teams do hey. Let's big headline JC Cornell of the draft network reports that he has inside track ACTA Jameis. Winston is seeking thirty million dollars a year. Oh and by the way. If he gets tagged he would not be very happy about it to the point that if he did get tagged he would refuse to sign another contract with Tampa Bay now. JC points out that this could just be agent. Talk at this point Ronn. I know how you personally personally feel about it. But just for the record Thirty million for James Winston. I don't want to steal your thunder here buddy great. Here's my thunder. I say if the bucks can get Jameis Winston Winston for thirty million that is cheap and they should jump on it now. I out so I am a person. Yes interact or switching chairs for order. Whatever do you mean Brent? Well here's the thing thirty million dollars. Isn't that crazy expensive. So expensive isn't it. I don't see how you could possibly would. We're looking for so this is why I don't know what are you saying. You don't play the other guy all idea they don't when justify how could you possibly justify thirty million dollars rent. I'm so glad you asked. I'm so glad you asked okay. Let's let's talk about it all right because here's an. I said a couple of things there that I have to defense and I've got to get in on the first one being that thirty million dollars a year for and I'm Gonna I'm GonNA qualify this thirty million dollars a year for a starting level quarterback doc is cheap. So I'm going to have to talk about that in just a minute but I do want to do at least one to put us on a on. A on a a precept level here Jameis Winston even with all his interceptions is a starting level quarterback in the NFL. True or false true. And I'm going to ask you to put aside your own personal opinion. Your own personal bias. Never give me your like. It's true. Jameis Winston is a starting level quarterback in this league. We're not talking about a backup. We're not talking about Joe FLACCO. WHO's hanging hanging onto the to the last year or two of his deal? We're talking about a twenty five year. Old Five Year veteran in this league are twenty six year old. I guess at this point five year veteran in this league Who is going to start for an NFL team in will be starting for quite a for quite a long time? True anything could happen. Anything Happen Open. But that's that's okay. That being said Lewke Sterling. Put out a tweet Lucas Rolling of what's USA Today draft wire so he the head guy got US aid and then he does something specific to the bucks for another organization. I I don't remember which one it is off. Top of my head but luke. He's been around for a long time. He puts out a tweet earlier today and he says L. O.. L. At all the people who think that that Jameis Winston shouldn't get thirty million a year. Because that's the going rate for quarterbacks Lucas rulings wrong. And that's that's that's what really precipitated this for me. Because here's what I'd been thinking for the last couple of days since this news bit came out because I have been a person I want to back up even more. I've been a person for the last couple of weeks that I have said what do I think. The buccaneers should with James Winston. They should tag him right. Use The franchise interesting talking with twenty seven million dollars this year. Right exactly and there's no because that's not even thing. Here's the deal. And this is what I don't know. What is the franchise tag really for teams like if this was madden and and you know we weren't talking about human beings we weren't talking about how things actually work within the league? Yeah that'd be fine but I don't get the feeling that the franchise tag is ever kindly looked upon that it's ever looked at as a as a positive thing for a player now in the face it it was. You know sort of how we thought it was a great idea how you could call challenge flags on Opie and DPI He. I mean this is going to be great and then all of a sudden the system's broken right. It's what happens every time when you don't think stuff all the way through Sir what they did a sold it as teams that have somebody like a John Elway you know. And you can't afford him or you guys are an impasse or we don't have the money to you. Can sign him to a franchise tag and you guys get together and work it out what. It is what it was supposed to be was for teams available to keep their cornerstone cornerstone stone cornerstone players in the system in the organization. Why they work out a possible deal not let agency agency not let him hit free agency? What has it turned into which Duh? Why not do it? It's used for all types of players uh-huh because you're not letting them hit free agency so guys that are going to come up with a contract that are going to their free agent. Contract is going to be way over. Then using the franchise tag so instead of helping the team What they're doing is they're using to hurt the player right get them for cheaper and and then only keeping on a one year deal and if they get hurt or they don't perform or they don't or they have bad year or whatever yeah and then their stock tanks exact? The biggest fear is if they get hurt. Your career is over. We'll what happened to my three year. Guaranteed money you don't have exactly so I I'm actually. You'RE GONNA retract what I was saying about using the franchise tag because I don't think that in reality when we're talking about real people not Madden. I'm talking about real. People that the franchise tag is actually a good thanks. I just I just I. I've rethought how deaths that's why you're retracting Hicks. It's not a good thing and I don't think that it's right for Jameson. The situation I I really don't okay. And why is that because let me get into that rent. Let me get into that all right. But so here's the deal. Here's the deal And I'll say this because this hearkens back to me into the same conversation. We had about Donald Smith last year when he got signed right. Here's the bottom line you can. You can bitch moaning complaint all you want about. How much money Donovan Smith is making? Oh my God. I can't believe Aleve. Were paying him that much money. He's not worth that much money because you evaluate him as oh number seventeen in the league okay. So let's go and look. Let's see what numbers sixteen and eighteen or making and we'll slap him somewhere between there and that's how we're GONNA pay him. That's not how people get paid in the NFL coop you get paid based based on. Here's what the going rate is and it's going to be more than whatever the last guy is that just made money or really close to that somewhere around. The this is what the best guy in the league. The the guy that just signed and he's considered one of the best or I cause he's the top right now right. Where do you compare him? And that's how you get like it. Does you get signed with quarterbacks tend to go up defensive end it tends to go up. cornerback tens ago up offense lineman you got a little more wiggle room right so with Donald Smith this last year. Look here's the bottom line. Donald Smith was the top rated left. Tackle Free Agent in the League. It was available would have been and so they got Him and they paid him at the top top level of his money and by the way the only signed him for three years with two guaranteed. It's not exactly a long term contract anyway Same bring that forward to Jameis Winston. We talk about James Right now. Here's the deal when we talk about average thirty million ear. What we're really talking about is that India of when you take the total value of the contract split it over the number of years we're not actually talking about what your cap it is each year? Okay for example Jared Goff his contracts for per year right now that has is thirty three and a half million dollars a year but you know what his cap it is for this year I'M GONNA say twelve ten point six six right right so those two aren't necessarily your cap. It is not necessarily what your average over the terms so those are two different numbers but since we're talking about average over the year numbers that's the number that's GonNa make everybody's head explode. That's what I want to talk about. Here's currently the breakdown of quarterbacks. And what they're making per year given their current contract. Russell Wilson is making thirty five million a year. Big Ben is making thirty. Four million a year Aaron Rodgers making thirty three and a half million. I just told you jared Goff is making thirty three and a half million Carson wentz making thirty two million Matt Ryan is making thirty and kirk cousins making twenty eight. So here's the deal at thirty thirty million dollars a year Jameis. Winston would not be the top paid quarterback in the league so for everyone who goes all thirty million but the interceptions but the interceptions interceptions but the interceptions not only. Is he not the top quarterback in the league. He's not even in the top five. He's He'd be the sixth tied for sixth with Matt Brian. Oh and by the way it could be lower depending on what other quarterbacks up for second or third contracts this year because I don't know who else out there in the league might be getting something else that might even even push him lower. I don't know who else is out there but it could be hugely the six that that's not he's not even in the top five thirty million dollars a year. Now that tells me the going rate for a starting quarterback with the contracts as the way they are right now is not thirty million. It's thirty five to thirty six million. That's what the top. That's what the going rate is for quarterback so we get the new bar. That's the new bar so if we get chamber at thirty that's because of those interceptions that is actually cheap. NOPE that's not thirty five thirty six. We're talking thirty and because of that. I think that the bucks would be wise to jump on it at just thirty. Because if James didn't have those interceptions this year I guarantee you they'd be looking at thirty five thirty six million this year because it's because of the interceptions that he's looking at only thirty million I think he's being very areas and I actually agree and when I saw this and I looked down the list. Okay where would james has fallen at thirty million dollars a year and I went. Holy Shit. He'd be sixth the tied for sixth at that by the way that seems very reasonable to me. Yeah and just to sort of you know. Put this around other people's heads like if they franchise tag in which a lot of people WanNa do and you know I understand that I get it because you are protecting yourself as a fan slash organization But like you said it's twenty seven million dollars right like that's what he's probably going to get might get a little more might get a little less. He's only asking for three three million dollars so it was like three million. Three hundred million dollars isn't a lot. It's just not Jacoby. Perset is making twenty eight million dollars. Yes average average Garoppolo is making twenty seven five right. You Know Matt Stafford twenty-seven Derek Carr who just set the record three or four years ago. Yes making make it twenty five million. Yeah foles make it. Twenty two million. Nick foles twenty two million dollars. So I don't think it's it's it's really when you bring in at least for me when you bring in the franchise tag number twenty seven. You've seen what he does first year in the offense If you if you watch the Games James and you see how now he understands like he can throw and find the Guy Against Mandy fences he could now throw the fine the guy against zone defense he. He's he's still making some questionable decisions. Not all the time but to met too much for you know pretty much. Everyone's comfort I get that that he's twenty five years old. He's got the armed talent. He's got he's got everything. His fumbles have gone away. The Red Zone has gone away. The deep ball shown up like he has everything except the interceptions and again if you just cut them in half or even kind of a half hell off ten right you know keep it under. You're twenty he'd be in the MVP conversation so and you gotTa Pay Twenty seven million dollars to keep them just pay him thirty and you know I understand. The people got to come back. We'll thirty five years. I want to be stuck with him for five years. But you're not gonNA stuck with him for five years because they're going to organize contracts in such a way that they'll be out of it after two two years be great. Yeah three years is probably were. It's going to end up being but like I've always said and I still believe this. That Jameson is going to be like drew brees in Tom. Brady you know back in the day they used to like Peyton. Manning signed for this huge contract and then so I could be the highest paid quarterback in the league and then immediately restructured it so they could you know sign of their free agents. Tom Brady does it all the time. Drew Brees Oh time and I have absolutely no doubt that Jameis Winston would do it all the the time it was just like Mike Evans has just like like three times. Just like our Alamar has already so you know I'm with you when you first. So thirty million. I kinda giggled to myself. And then I found out that the franchise tag is twenty seven. It's like it's a no brainer. Yeah Yeah No. I'm just in over and again again. People are going to lose their ever loving minds because in in the public conscious right now. Thirty is like top rated quarterback but it's it's not thirty is is down. It's in the top five and a position where a starting quarterback a franchise quarterback get signed. They always set the new mark. The next one does right. And he's five million below on average then the top guy and like you said he's gotta be He's GonNa be at fifth and guess what if he signs you. How many other quarterbacks GONNA sign this year like he might be pushed down to eighth and he just started brand new contract? Yeah exactly exactly. Yeah go ahead well n plus the earlier you sign them the cheaper they are exactly like oh you like gas the other thing. That's I'm sorry run. That's the other thing. I'm glad you bring that up. Because if we do tag him and he goes out and he balls out next year. Okay and let's say he does cut the interceptions in half which I think historically Storage we see that happen. I seem to remember hearing that about Carson Palmer and and some other people like maybe even Peyton manning like you see that happen as people sit in the quarterback trek whisper system for a second year. Like a lot of these things tend to get fixed. Let's say happens. Let's say you cut them in half and he's at fifteen next year right Well now when we got to resign assign him. The other people who've already signed this year we're going to have that Barton now. We're really looking at thirty six. Thirty seven million dollars a year guy not a thirty million dollars your guy so so again I go back to when I when we sit back and we look at it all and I know people are going to see it and they're gonNA go who he's thirty million a year first. That's not going to be the cap hit every year. It's just not right but when you look at that and you go oh thirty billion. There's no way but the interceptions but the interceptions but the interceptions. I'm going to remind you guys and I'm GonNa put it this way. You're going to hear it here first although rents kind of been saying it for the last bunch of weeks. I'm just going to say it this way. It's because of the interceptions. The jameis Winston is only going to get thirty million dollars instead of thirty five. Thirty six million dollars exactly and thirty is cheap comparatively. Speaking and the the bucks would be wise to jump on that and go ahead and lock them down. So Yeah Brent has stepped onto the Train Leagues and gentlemen the Grudgingly in the real question. Go ahead okay. Let's say that they do a deal. Can you agree upon three years. Guaranteed money me chat all right. Let's look at this listening. I think you're looking at the same list. I am Total Guarantee Kirk cousins eighty four million eighty four million total guarantee Matt Ryan One hundred million guaranteed Carson Wentz Hunter and seven hundred ten Aaron Rodgers. Ninety eight Ben Rothlisberger fifty. That must've been signed a long time ago. Russell Wilson one hundred seven million guaranteed nick. Nick foles fifty million guaranteed flacco sixty two million guaranteed up fifty million guaranteed over however many years and by the way he's is going to be replaced next year. I think it was four Matt. Stafford Ninety two million guaranteed so we got that Matt Stafford Talk About Him Win. was his contract. Contract signed a while ago. Yeah yeah that's right. That's what we talk about. How it keeps ratcheting Matt Stafford Stafford furred. All right. We've covered it Bass efforts over five thousand yards by the way great but it's also played with the Lions for bunch years. He's not. He's not taking the playoffs for the Super Bowl or anything. In this time Jameis Winston will not be the only person who determines whether this team goes to a super bowl playoffs. It is a team game. He will be one of the main main people for sure. Yeah we just watch four four and a half years. It's called the defense exactly exactly but I say a point. I point to a guy like Matt Stafford. Who is a good quarterback? I don't I don't want people thinking I think he's a bad quarterback. 'cause I don't I'm just saying that's not necessarily the thing that determines quarterbacks value because it is a team thing. Sorry go ahead. You're talking about something. Issued already moved on because so tango playoffs and won the Super Bowl. Jameis Winston good okay If we can agree that that three years guaranteed a comfortable space for your ninety. Two's too short for too. Many guaranteed years so threes. Okay sure how. How do you explain to me as someone who's not on the Janus Winston train of having to put my faith into this guy for three more years? He's if he's guaranteed money for the next three years that means he's not gonna go anywhere and if he does go anywhere or doesn't start. It puts the team in a tremendous bind because because they can't go out and find the next guy they'd have to draft him like you can't bring in Kirk cousins with a you know a thirty million dollar your quarterback. So what do you tell me like. What are you telling me because I'm saying you can't win with this guy because he's going to turn the ball over to the right and then I'm GonNa tell you you're wrong because we can win with this guy and we've seen that we've seen that this this year they win and it's also seen losing this? I just saw him lose the game for US last week. Yup and and that. That's that's that's shame but look look he is also he. James didn't lose the game by himself though. People are going to say that all they want. He didn't lose the game by himself. We have seen James Throw four interceptions in a game and they. They still overcome that because they still kept the game tight they still kept the game. Close even even in the midst of all those other turnovers even in the midst of those pick sixes. This team is still in it and the team still comes back and scores and they still with the exception this last game. They're still averaging damn near thirty points. A game twenty nine point one. Is that what it is right now and. That's that's all stuff there's your because even though is bad as he's been which by the way it's been his worst season as far as interceptions this this is the outlier hopefully forever and and like you said we're still in it or in every game shit. Oh On that Texans game game even with four interceptions five total turnovers. I believe the pick six like how many games this year we await. Listen into this year. How many points the buck score in the second half? I would have bet my house that if if if you told me that the bucks only had to score a touchdown out and the whole second half they would've won that game I would bet my. They scored three points all secondhand. Yeah three yeah you know. Why push the ball down? The field remember like the Texas came down and scored and got kicked field goal. We got the ball and it took us like what it was like a twelve play drive and they converted on third down like four times because it kept Dinckinson thinking in Dunkin. 'cause left which was protecting Winston can't run the ball and we tied it up and then they kept that kind of philosophy till the end in via time. It's too late and came a break. Great drop the ball right. That's what you get when you train you do the dink and Doug game with James Winston. They don't have the horses around him to do that. That's not the style of the way the offense is built right eat. I don't care if you think I don't care if you think it's wrong. That's the bucks aren't Built to do to grind the ball down the field for as much people say. Just don't take with the defense gives you Blah Blah Blah Gray. Our our offense to Susan built for that you can't do first second and third down because in the dink offsets. That is the run game right and we don't have one at all at all at all the end. So buccaneers pay thirty million dollars a year. It's cheap jump on it get to it now. I've got a few more but that actually took up a lot more time than I thought it would A couple of things were quick. Lante David made the all decade team. I I want to spend some time on this because I think he deserves fair enough. Let's frustrated with our about at all not at all. I do not believe you now. This is where I'm going to say. No David shouldn't prove it to me. No good don't you feel like Levante David like all our what do you call our peacocking about Lafontaine David and talking about how. He's the most underrated and overlooked player. Possibly in the NFL NFL has finally come like someone else recognize it in the NFL itself as putting him three line. Middle Off Ball. Middle Off Ball linebackers Akers and they all decade team guys got IDA. The article says one pro bowl and won all pro. I saw someone else to pros when all pro but being a decade team and the only having one pro bowl possibly I I think that just goes to highlight the the fallacy. That is the pro bowl and that we put way too hugh much weight into pro bowls. I mean you still have to be good to make the pro bowl. Nobody nobody's shabbes giving in. That's not the right word but like no bad players getting into. I don't I don't know what that means. Yeah no there's not a bad player that's getting into the pro bowl like you're going to get in if you're earning. I'm sorry if you're in that's because you're good. Are you better than ex player over here. Well that that can be a topic of debate was was this a pro bowl year for Levante this particular urine twenty nineteen when compared to the other people who got in. Well we've had that conversation conversation and maybe it really wasn't Right but I think when you look at Levantis career what is this as eighth and ninth season in the League when you look at it over the course of those eight nine nine years. I mean it's a no brainer. It's absolutely no brainer again. I I don't watch enough and certainly over. The last decade. Haven't watched enough other teams to know where he falls in comparison to everybody else but I do know that he You know there's been another player who has been touted as the best player on this team team for a Lotta years and that may not have been right. It really might like like we might have been underrating Levante David here within our own bucks. Fandom you've got make sense like he really may have been the best player over the last decade. It's UH prefer was the media organization itself. Yeah I don't know I I. Yeah I don't know but I'm glad to see Lavar get you know. Get some love. I'm glad to see him. Get some stuff out there and oh by the way. According to Scott Reynolds the bucks will enter into talks with David to extend his contract this year as they should. Yeah I agree. I mean even the guy that wrote the article said in the article this might be the most underrated rated player on the entire list. Yeah I mean it just makes you just gives it makes you feel like you know all this time of touting about this kind of stuff And someone someone recognized you know like you said earlier with the blue checkmark but what do you think the bucks to sign Labonte David. I mean he'll be thirty. Yeah I do yeah I do too. I'm with yeah I mean it's it's I don't know for how much I don't know. What a going rate for Levante David at his age would be a really? Don't but you know if there's any way that they can make at work if there's any way they can get him back in. I think just for just for clarity. Say I think he still has one more year left on his current contract so if they enter into those negotiations this year it would really be more of an extension than it would be saving him from free agency so Y- yeah I mean Labontes one of those guys you want him to retire a buccaneer. Oh yeah you know I. How was he retired? Thirty five thirty. I mean I think I think rendezvous was thirty six when he retired so you know this would be this. Ostensibly would be his his last contract. You Know I. He's probably got a couple of good years left and then we might start seeing the waning stuff. But like he's entering into that into at that phase where his presence and his leadership on the team and his production are at a high right now and one might start waning over the other. But it's the it's still balances out for this is a guy you've got to keep on your team all right And you you you mentioned it ring of honor you know. I still have questions if Joe McCoy as a future ring of honor guy. Maybe as maybe Levada David there's no question in my mind future have honor and I've always been and I don't want to have discussion about Gerald but I've always Komo McCoy ring of Honor Guy said it many times in the show and defended it but now that he's gone and like you never heard about. How Labonte was this leader in the locker? You know you never heard. He always too quiet too. Quiet Quiet Guy Gerald lease and all of a sudden he steps up along with is j. p. p. and now these guys are like the ripi hairless sort of stuff and David's numbers better and all those types of things so I always thought McCoy will be lock was because this set the glazer after Malcolm. Am if you will like. They needed their ring of honor. Guy Right it was. It was set to McCoy because he was a guy that was always pushed out by the organization. He was the guy at the media always went to talk to a once a week in the L. sermon at his locker occur. And you know he was the guy that made six pro bowls in a couple all pros and it's like I ki Ki. He has to make it like they need their guy right but with Gerald leaving and it looks like Dante staying. I think Labonte comes to guy de Gerald probably makes it but I don't think it's nearly as a slam dunk is is i. Did you know nine months ago. Yeah I mean. I don't care to necessarily talk about Gerald. He's not on the team right now and if he does final. We'll cross that bridge when it comes. I'm not against it. I'm just saying I don't know that he's as much of a lock I do. Think Onto David is one hundred percent or lock And that's probably GONNA set some people off. Some people would like to have a blue check next to their name But but you know tons of people out there But I don't I don't really care. Levante David. I think is a shoe in for future ring on her type guys and this is it and so I do that. All right Scott Reynolds also says that he believes that. The buccaneers should extend Demar datsuns contracts. Now Dan you and I have often talked about tomorrow Dotson Eh tried to kick him out of the last couple of years But I thought we should. We should at least talk about it. Demar Dotson is he a guy that that really should have his contract extended. I don't know if you read Scott's Breakdown he had some pretty glowing things to say about about Demar as did the rest of the team. Yeah and and I think it's a I don't thinks got sort of took it far enough Because the way I feel about it is do I want tomorrow Dotson back back. Yes I do absolutely do I want Demar Dotson starting at right tackle absolutely not but we've seen sort of these guys that Oh the bucks had to go to to bring in for their backup. You know the first guy in for the tackle in the first guy in on the guard right and they're not good An they traded for one they set the roster ejected. The ones we had found one found another one of those guys have stuck around but when they're in like would it take Josh Wells. Like two plays Winston sacked right when Wyndham Smith broke his thumb. So I I'm not GonNa pin that on on him but I don't know maybe but You know and then they had. OJ Howard over there. The whole entire game or bring in Waterford off the bench over there. You know running a a replace one guy with two. Yeah exactly exactly but if you bring dot back who said. I'M NOT GONNA play for peanuts but I'm sure you meant. NFL peanuts uh-huh you know he's only making like four six million right now if they put them back like three or two yeah. Will you come sit the bench for two million dollars dot what no I know I'm with you. I'd like to see them. Drafter even bring in a potentially a starting right tackle and then bring bring Demar Dotson awesome back as leadership as our health. Extend his contract bringing another guy and let them battle it out and they got. How long did we keep Evan? frigging Smith on this roster just honestly to be benched guy how long Joe Holly on this roster we capture holly for a full year on this roster just as bench guy. Just SORTA train Allie to be a center and then we moved the next year. You know yeah and so the idea that we could bring Demar Dotson back for another year. Let him have a battle in camp with whoever for the next right tackle is. That's where I said. I don't think he went too far. I don't care about the battle like if you're gonNA draft one day one or day two. Yeah uh he's the guy dot you sit like Joe's did end of story right but dot if we need you glad to have you if he gets hurt or or you know you know if I don't know if that's the only position he can play You know maybe he can swing out to left tackle but as far as like Banco here and everybody right he was like oh my gosh. What's that? Didn't they try that for a year to move Dotson over to the left tackle spot. I don't know yeah I seem to remember that back like twenty thirteen two thousand fourteen something around that. Here's Donald left tackle but like we had no one else like we did on one anyway. Yeah if Donald Coming off the bench as your next ill your next tackle guy at the active every Sunday. I'm extremely comfortable with that. Keep them around. Let's not run out of town. Just you know Laura Starter all right. Let's see here Shaq Barrett this last attempt to take the single season sack record heard an owner self so gauche pressures on turns out. Todd Bowles rented you know. He watches a lot. I don't think anyone new Reports are the both left which an balls are potentially head. Coaching candidates. Both says he doesn't really read his own press clippings he doesn't really think about that right now. He's trying to win the falcons. He watches a lot. But what do you think left which involves his head coaching candidates. I think the probably get some interviews. I think think Left which is a little too green. I agree I mean he's he's got he's called twenty two twenty three games and let's let's not forget the first eight were not good and that was you know. And he and You can argue talent you can argue or you can argue that. Hey Hey you had be there with you the whole way not that he stepped in and stepped on your toes and Game Day. We don't know that probably did a couple of times right but but being being in the building healthy with an offensive game plan What if it was the other way around? But what if what those I like. Eight Games was interfering a lot more than he really needed to. And it was in these last eight games that he kind of let off of interfering and that's when everything like I I'm I'm just purely speculating. There's no I'm not even saying that. I think that's happen. I'm just saying what if it went the other way I I'd I don't think you'd have to look at what the scores were because the first half we were still scoring thirty right. We're just getting beat thirty one to thirty five you know so I either. Plus Dolphins just started right. You know so even if it was didn't score as many points it's the first half the second half that's to be expected you probably picked out with all teams So it goes up but I think buyers little green. Should he get some. You know at least some some kicking the tires on him. Yeah absolutely be the the. What's that rule that the the Rooney rule guy right like not not really a serious candidate candidate the just bring him in for Byron left which shoes and I was Byron left which and I made the decision that I want to stay? I think I would decline all interviews just because of being the Rooney rule. It's one of those things like Oh pidp piano and the franchise tag really great idea. Now people have figured out way to abuse it sure as with everything else in life. So Todd Bowles Ah I you know. I don't know if he wants to be a head coach. I don't know if like he sort of liked it. I mean you know being in New York. Of course he was suggests head coach. And that's a lot different than being a head coach in Tampa or you know being a head coach in Kansas City. Or you know sort of these. Small smaller market teams obviously You know I guess it'd be like Gallison Yorker Pie with the two with the most heat share A. I would say but you know what I wonder is do. These guys is like where they are like the coaching staff that be built and do they just want us hang out together for they wanNA finish what they started here type type of deal. Yeah I don't know I also like once these guys that move on. That's why put them in those positions but it's real Act on it I really WANNA feel like. Hey let's finish what we started at least give it to possibly three years before anyone takes aww right but then again on the other foot. It's like hey you got a chance to go coach a NFL team being the head coach. Like what are you doing here. Yeah I you know there comes a point point for just men in general where they get to a spot where they're kind of okay. Not being the guy like it takes a certain amount of maturity it also takes. I think you just get to a certain certain phase in life where you go you know. It's okay if I'm not the guy I'm actually better in this other position over here or this is just my role now. I don't know the Todd Bowles. Is there yet like I think there's just justin an eighth thing and him as it is in most people to want to have that promotion you remember when when What was the guy? Mark Duffner got promoted last year just even for interim and he's like the he said something to the effect of you know you always WanNa take on more responsibility. You Always WanNa get the promotion like I remember talking about that. After they fired Mike Smith and let him go it was he was basically saying like. I'm not going to say no to a promotion. You know like I feel like todd. Bowles is still in that spot like dirk cutter. Who's kind of old? I mean what he's like in the sixties or something right He could be in that phase of life where he goes. You know why. It's okay if I'm not a head coach I'm you know again. I'm really really okay to be a coordinator in just kind of stick in that role. I don't know the todd. Bowles is to that spot yet so if he were to get a serious offer a get a get a serious interview spot I. I think he'd probably go. I don't know I've never had a conversation with a man. I have no idea but you know. We'll get Wade Phillips. Maybe who they're like like I feel like if is left which goes it's not as big deal right because be still right there. It still has offense right and if he has to call. The play tells why. Sorry Chris I'm going to call plays this year. I promise you wouldn't Because of my heart but I got to well. I'm teaching this. This new guy bowls lease. It's like okay now we gotta go get somebody and you have to bring a whole new defense philosophy whole news scheme. Yeah because there's not like an heir apparent behind bowls that we know now that that we know of not that knows the defense the way he's he does right and that'd be really sad because it's the first time now. There's the other caveat symbols though that say when we talk about the heir apparent. We're talking about an heir apparent head coach to the Tampa Bay buccaneers. Because Bruce Arians has made it clear they won't sue rolling year to whatever he is not here for the long long term. He is here for what I think. He's got a five year contracts. He may or may not live out that five year. He's already filched on one contract. You know like he get to your three and be like okay. I'm done they get to your to be. You know who knows at what point. I don't know if we'll ever do it or not. But he might if there's sort of a gentleman's handshake between him and balls of like you'll take over when I'm gone. You know here's what I don't want to see happen. I don't WanNa see them do what they did with Mike Smith. which is the get a new contract to the leverage Ya? Ah I mean I don't know here. Here's the thing it doesn't get salary out. No No. Here's the thing I don't want to see happen on this team. What happened with Todd? Bowles is what happened Mike Smith and what I mean by that is hey they have this great run here at the end which the defense has And so all of a sudden there's all this Head coaching chatter her for Mike Smith. Now Todd Bowles and to prevent him from leaving they go in they back the dump truck up and they basically commit themselves to this guy for however long and Because we paid them all this money or whatever they've done and paid them like head coach and here it is and then you come back the next year and nothing ever ver- happens again. I'm not GonNa say that's what's GonNa Happen Todd Bowles. I'm just saying I'm still feel a little burnt Mike Smith and and that's remorse. Yeah and that's where I you know like. I don't know I think the hang onto my expense a little bit too long but the buccaneers in the glades. The buccaneers we're talking about the glazers share because they cut those is checks. It doesn't matter the salary cap and all that kind of stuff. They've shown that you know they don't mind paying coaches to sit home over and over and over again and that's they finally did the Mike Smith best like they. They probably had dirt cutter with his job. Yeah like you know. 'cause he says that he's like I never thought I'd fire Mike Smith but here I am and it's like you know it took them an extra two weeks to fire fricken Jay Hayes. Yeah don't you be that crap about Oh. I never thought timetable on making your team or no. No disguise fired. No I have control the staff. Yes you do in hiring right. Fire this guy and yet to east convincing right you know and it just took you know. It's like dirk fire. Mike Smith no way we're best buddies we're BFF's we watched stranger things together. Cuddle up on the couch eating popcorn right bitching about our wives. It's new fire. Mike Smith fired so Mike who I didn't know anyway. My point being I feel like bowls really could be the though and heir-apparent to Bruce Arians here in Tampa if he were to get back into that and so you know if he could just Kinda hang out you know Or Brenston buckner. Yeah there you go thank you so much all right now frustrated with me enough already. I'm sorry I made you defend your stance Brent. What is this fire indexed? What what what does this text? The glazers what I think actually have to have a salary contract to be fired. Her you go. Hey One more thing. Let's talk about for just a second Eddie. And his article says says this he says I'm going to read. This is the opening paragraph of one of his articles. And I'm sorry I don't have the title of it but it is on Tampa Bay dot com guys won't go back and check it out Eddie and seen says bucks coach Bruce Bruce Arians says he only has so much pull and deciding which pending free agents. The team can retain but he made it clear on Monday that his top his offseason wishlist is keeping the Bucks Defensive Defensive Front together We talk about this for for some weeks. Now we've ranked are you know what is your order of priority and keeping these guys and Dhammika soon as a name who keeps coming up. I see time and time and time again on media people who who are with the team and stuff to talk about the Dow you'd cashew it brings to the team. You said you changed your mind. Oh yeah so your order has been shocked bear. GPA Dhammika Su Know Carl NASA Dhammika Sue Wright and then Bow Allen and those other. You guys are whatever what is what is your what are you now. Just slip Nassib and sue. Okay like like you were gonNA say yeah. JP sue NASA NASA. It seems like you know if you listen to what people are saying things like barrettes in the bag and JP is now priority number one. Okay a number one so I think and what's working the bucks favor is working. All these guys is that they like todd bowls. They understand his system and understand what he's trying to do in the system and they like playing the system plus with JP. He's from the area went to college in the same town. He's only couple hours away from where he's building his house Long Huma Fair deal. He probably stay too. I feel like the organization Appreciates him I'm not really sure about because in Detroit there is a lot of flack you know. Probably from Fans Stephanie from the NFL Organization Nation as a whole from the higher ups. You know With the with the League he went to the rams. And what did we hear. When when he got here was no one thought he? He worked hard until the play offs. He took the whole season after he got to the play. Offs right so here. There's about two guys only talk crap about him. Organization says they love him right The other fan the fans by by by the two guys. You're not talking about people within the organization or within the NFL or you're talking about people on Social Media and gap. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah there's two people out there that have you know followers that checks next other name have been dumping on sue the sense you know he got here which is fine like whatever but those are the only two people that are doing it. Everyone else seems I was soup. You know and and when you hear organization keep telling you that the reason the big one of the big reasons Number one in run defense is because of this guy like I'm going going to take what they say. Now understand coaches lie. Okay will then. If you're going to say coaches lie on that then you can't believe anything. The coaches say like like you can never use something. A coach says as to back up your argument right because then I will just say if I disagree with your point coaches lie right so so it's he likes it here. I think he just got married or getting married very soon. He just got engaged. The organization loves them. He likes Todd Bowles. He likes where he's playing. There's no state income tax. They want him back. The fans don't hate him the league doesn't hate him. The team doesn't hate him. No one's calling him a loafer except for two people uh-huh so I I think he's back bottom line. He's got a good thing going here they all do. Yeah Yeah they've got a good thing going here bring them back get them back in. But here's the question I really I wanNA ask you bruce. Arians says he only has so much pull in deciding which ones we bring back. Alex Pool do you think he really 'cause I I feel like he's under selling himself a little bit there there or maybe he's not. I don't know I think that as with Jason Light did with not lovey Smith. Who the hell was yeah? It was lucky. Recent as he did with Lovey Smith. He didn't do it so much we did. He did it with Mike Smith As he goes out and and probably with Dirk Koetter But definitely Mike Smith you could tell because the people they were bringing in for his defense they give them a list and they do what they can and I think that's what it is his. Ba goes did Jason I wanNA KEEP JP. And I WANNA keep Blah Blah. And I WANNA keep sue and I want to keep that keep them all together and Jason Light Goes I will do. Would I can't right but you know the reality sets in with the salary cap and you gotTa make some decisions and that I think that's what he means you know basically saying okay. Let's say I want to keep Nassib. Jp Barrett ensue and Jason Light comes home we can only keep three of the four because because salary cap reasons. I can't go bullshit like rework someone else's contract or cut that guy right because I want Nassib like that so that's as far as it goes. It's like Jason Lights going to do everything you can to get him the player he wants and wants to keep but you know life gets in the way. Yeah and now I'm just thinking about how much responsibility GM actually has rosters and all that kind of stuff. Anyway I got one more thing and then and then we're gonNA move on this. This one is just a little personal. You read Dax was in the news this week or at least I saw him in the news. Yeah Yeah rent acts sends out a tweet to Carmen Batali Save Carmen. How was your first year is a buck staff writer? That wasn't choice or a message or whatever that I four messages picks. I don't know I didn't stick around to wait. Because I like three or four like once popped up and I'm like well none of mine have been picked yet or she was like she usually doesn't order what they do is she sends out a tweet in the link. Sends you to somewhere on. The buccaneers is at okay. And you signed any put any name you want to. Of course I put my name and you just far off question Jeff and then she fires back in. There's usually somewhere between three to five minutes between answers answers right and I sat there and watched like three four five questions and none of mine came up so I put the phone down so I don't know what you don't know what she said. Okay then the other side of that is is Carmen. Basically takes like a big huge long screen shot of this conversation. She's had with people and then they post that as an article on dot com okay. So you're you're probably halfway down on this particular. Days is over the course last week but what he says was is. How is your first year? Is Buck staff writer. Any fun stories and Carmen says adirondacks. It's my second here but it feels like my first a lot of ways because of the new book staff so many stories. He's not sure I can just pick one for you. One of the coolest ones is getting to meet Billie Jean King in Atlanta So anyway I just I thought it was fun to see you out there and Carmen who's been our show before for somebody that usually gets a high too. When I'm down in Tampa I thought that was funny anyway? Thank you didn't tell me that. NOPE unprepared for test for so weird. Hey let's talk about the injury report real quick as we as we round this show out going up against the Atlanta Falcons. They have three people were out. Adrian clayborn Jim Brown and Brandon. Powell are all out outside of that. Everybody's in Julio Jones was on on the injury report he's listed at full participation You know before I go to the bucks. What do you think this? Game's going to be like. Is this a I mean. Obviously obviously both teams are going to be trying to win. You know I don't think fifty either team's GonNa take tank his game you know. But they're not gonNA try. Well they've come out and said this wins very important for us right. And I've got to imagine that the Falcons for whatever on their level. It's very important for them as well. Well I don't know because they've come come out and said that Dan Quinn is going to be retained. Yeah and so is there cutter and says the GM and Brahim Morris chocked surprise surprise After after coming up cutting his teeth on the defense goes Atlanta switches to the offense they put them on the defense. They had sort of history servants on defense. And now who will be the D we next year which is really interesting? Because I don't really know of a head coach that has coached both sides of the ball. Right you know just throwing on that out there. But the Falcons bite have draft position looking forward to that because beating US last year cost them like seven positions additions and it was meaningless for them like they weren't GonNa make the playoffs. We weren't gonNA make the playoffs. They beat this. I think it was. I think it was last game of the year maybe or might have been two years. I don't know but they lost the game and they got burnt by you know So I I don't I I don't know if they're above tanking. So that's that's what I'm saying. What do I expect from this game? I selfishly want James to throw two interceptions so hit the thirty thirty on that I really am. I really really am like just do it. Just just doing Levin it own it rocket you know. Do your thing brother stupid skit out of the way. does next year. When you hit like twenty five people are going to Oh three games left Kennedy the first thirty thirty guy right eight out of the way you like? Oh three games left. He'd be the first guy to do it twice another new club I guy in. NFL history not only do it twice but to do it in back to back. Seasons dash fact season never beaten. Yeah I think it's I'm just going to enjoy the game and I I think there I think as teams from what I know about as absolutely nothing and they're going to go out there and GonNa win and I like that like the. It's there's there's enough good players this year. There has been some really bad draft to be honest with you In the in this decade as far as talent wise coming out of the draft there has been some bad ones that you know none of the first rounders are sort of pro bowlers. Or barely of the league. And that type of stuff doc. But I don't think this year's one of them So I just that's just how I am I you're GonNa get a good player and the bucks thankfully you know thanks to Jason Light NBA Dirk Koetter. Mike Smith and Lovey Smith. And all those guys like. There's not these huge holes what we're really looking at or upgrades now this. All totally depends on the front seven right in free agency. But you know it's like I would like another running back because we need an upgrade right. Now I wanted to right tackle because we need an upgrade now. We upgrade our positions rather than having to fill them. Yes you know they need another safety. We need yes. Yeah we need an upgrade. You know I don't mind right like like yeah like so drafting a safe. UBS upgrade and then after that like what are you start like do in-depth like no one's going to be Lante. David Devon White. Rowen's it's GonNa beat out like I mean even Perryman. Perryman went from like the worst player right and the NFL. And I mean but all this all this goes on can they continue next year what they did this year. And that's going to be the thing that I that I watch because this is something we've heard like Rick Stroud Talk Walkabout of listen. They can end this season however they want. That doesn't mean that that's how they're gonNA come back next season. Just pick up right where they left off. Yeah I remember a couple of years. It was the year of the hurricane the year the hurricane knocked out our our By week remember that we had to play Chicago that it was week too but it was her first. I game because we had to move our by week to week one because the hurricane was coming through zero Chris Baker. Oh that's right you have a bye week. That's right. That's right spite a lot. We did but remember that that first game because that was the year coming off the five Game Win Streak with Mike Smith and he was the best off-season whatever and we came out. And we damn near shut out the Chicago bears and I remember percents then looks like we picked up right where we left off and then we should the bed for the rest of the season and the season after that. And you know it just didn't so oh we're going to need to see more than one game next year. But we're I'll be interested to see. Can this team. Let's let's just say they keep all the pieces together right. And then you upgrade if you positions positions here and there. Let's say they do that. It doesn't mean that this front seven is going to come out and be dominant next year as they are this year. I hope that means they will be you know it looks good for them to. That's the only way we can project rejected right right. But I think this is something that afflicts fan bases that don't have historically winners or or have a team that doesn't historically put like five six seven back to back non losing seasons together Detroit US US Cleveland. Take your pick the Miami recently it the giants recently. I mean you know San Francisco like this is the fear that you have you know and I get it and you're absolutely right like my fear about Jameis Winston is that he's GonNa regress you know but who's a better coach who who's a better coach for the better staff. BA or Lovey Smith BA or dirk. Koetter Todd Bowles or Mike Smith. Todd Bowles left which or cutter left which language four women women Who's better with better? Yeah I don't know well. Here's your Here's the difference left which gets to the end zone didn't monk and weren't we also top scoring offense under the year that Monckton was calling plays. That lasts right. Oh that's cutter. I'm not doing cutter normally when Moncton. Okay because we were. We were on top scoring offense under monkeys. Weren't we last year. Yeah so Yeah I I yeah I don't I don't beat by the way. Yeah and okay. That's close. Okay Okay so monkey as left which will give the edge. The monk in their sure her. We've already said bowls is better than my fifth call. It'd be okay Mike Smith absolutely. Yeah better be better than cutter now. Now hold on hold on balls after one year versus Mike Smith after one year because when we think of Mike Smith right now we think of Mike Smith over three years we only have this one year of bowls so go back a two year one after Mike Smith your one versus your wanted bowls. Now you're taking away. No I'm not you're taking no but you're playing with the the same amount of information at this point. No not because you're you're throwing away information. Here's information I have with Mike Smith as defense corner of the buccaneers after three years. Yeah Yeah okay so I have with with with Todd Bowles after one year. Yeah so this information that I had okay but no. Here's my point though. Go back to your one with Mike Smith would you. What would you have said about him? Then he was Barry said he was best free agent signing and I was wrong right. Okay right right I mean but this goes back to what I what we were just saying earlier. If you're saying this is the problem with people who are with teams who can't put together winning seasons for any amount of time as you kinda get jaded and you have this. Well we did okay this year. It's what's going could happen. Yeah I get that. I'm not on the todd. Bowles train ran. Obviously you're talking about. He's up mature as a person doesn't like no. I didn't say not mature as as a person what I meant is he didn't reach. He hasn't reached that stage of life yet. No idea I left that alone. I have no idea how you know that. NO IDEA UH-HUH I have not seen this irritated with me. Since I told you I steal cable holidays been rough. Find you buddy actually pretty good all right good anyway. My whole point in this long drawn out thing it's coaching. It's coaching and once again. If we win Sunday will never maybe. That's why he wants he's going to win. He's never had a losing season as a head coach. I I would if I was. I'd want to retain that record as well like like that would mean a lot to me. And if I'm the players I would be I would be pushing that in the locker room as well like it would matter to me as a player in your head like knowing the bond that that players have with their head coach that just weird and strange like to sit back and go. Hey guys you know. Coach coach has never had a losing season. Let's not the guys who get that for him you know. Let's not be the guys that gave him his first one. You know what I mean like like you really WanNa play for that. That's a reason to play for players. I it that is a more for me would be like you're winning now. If you win this game six and two in the second half yeah that's you know yeah you extrapolate that out. Which of course isn't fair? Let's twelve and four right like you're fighting for home like you probably get a playoff game or you probably get a week off and then you get a home playoff game. Yeah you'll get the by then. Maybe you get a home. Yeah Yeah I mean last. Time buccaneers went twelve and four. They went to the Super Bowl their new a club record so so I think you know they've got a taste for winning. They like it especially the young guys in his defense. Like they want to build something on the back back in and they're going hunting and Yeah I that's I I think they're gonNA come looking for blood there you go all right. Well buccaneers Bo Alan. I'm Chris Gardiner. Both out everybody else's healthy ready to go So we've got a full. We've got a full team outside of those people who are on. I R you know. And we're still missing my Evans. Were still missing Chris Godwin. We're still missing. Scotty Miller Those three things I I am not as confident in this team because I'm not as confident as wide receiving corps that it is that is piecemeal together at here at the end of the season. So that's that's my big thing. It was actually my last week. Because also out guarantee you. This to uh-huh Kevin's and Chris Goblin were playing last week. The buccaneers don't lose. James doesn't throw four interceptions guarantee the fact that we had these other guys definitely influenced and impacted how the buccaneers played and I don't know I don't know how they're going to match up being depleted like they are right now here at the end of the year but We'll see we'll see Iran. It's take us as you have informed me as of this recording to our very last predictive in actives which everybody might be glad to hear go But we got to. We've got around down. Chris Godwin I need five more. My friend go ahead. You got Gerald Hawkins Aaron Skinny are two blind men who are out. I'm saying cousin Daniels feels patch. I'm going to say MJ. Stuart's going to go ahead and sit him just because at my last guy might surprise you but I'm doing it because it happened last week too and and it surprised me. Then Tanner Hudson Mr Active. Is He hurt myself are now he was in a concussion. You know he was on the the injury. Report is a concussion. But he's four participation all week so you're putting Cyril Grayson and Jaden Mickens. And who's the other guy that came up with making the the deshaun Watson Plon Franklin. INS- SCHNELL NELLIE YEP bring 'em up its last week man gotta to give them some type right. Sure sure Oh are they going to bring somebody up system eh such a tough quitting debbie so hurtful. Wouldn't it especially in the last week. Yeah or you're going to bring somebody weeks ago and never let them play in the last week. I because Daniels true to I've say somebody you know I'm saying they're going to sit Cyril L. Grayson. Okay in place of ten or hotel. Yes okay place. If Tanner Hudson. But you're going to go with Jay Stewart and cousin Daniels. Yeah Yeah Well Daniels. I mean you know who does win the MR and active. Well I mean yeah. I don't know I mean. Stewart's the running Zine Daniels cousin Daniels in the running tanner Hudson was in the running there for a while. Yeah during leggate. This'll be one of those like Punia. The words that we would do one year and be like. I'm not doing this when again. And that was a really good cau- 'cause we're like WHO's the most disappointing player we all L. yelled at Doug Martin and then totally like it didn't click in my head that he's getting a trophy that says missile. Those guys didn't get trophies servings but The other guys to deliver joe no not no not those voted you the sheet player on the team. Right here's a trophy with your name on on. It did not do that so anyway. I read Well that's it for this extra long edition of Buck in the news. It's last one of the year man. Yeah the next time we do. This will be seen what eight months from now. Nine months now nine months from now yeah. Eight and a half lull Dole. Front seven will be put back together. All coaches we'll stay watson this will have an extension. We'll have lots of stuff over the course of the off-season guys. Listen we're not going away. We'll just will scale back on the frequency that things come out but before that rent we are going to have an instant cast so you guys make sure you join us on Sunday night. Ten o'clock For the instant cast we'll go live. You guys can call in but better than that. You can actually video chat in and join us on the Youtube livestream Which would be Super Fun as well? So you guys make sure you join us on that Sunday night. Ten o'clock Eastern Standard Time Ren folks up there where they can contact you if they want to tell you why Jameis famous Winston should not be a thirty million dollar. Your quarterback no no. No no you contact Brent on twitter at the Peter Casts. I'm not. I'm not having that debate even though I do agree with you at Ren Dax on twitter are yen underscored. DA X T I am. I'm always down. PUCK buccaneers football. 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Ep 60: It's time to pay Grady Jarrett and Julio Jones

The Falcoholic

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Ep 60: It's time to pay Grady Jarrett and Julio Jones

"Back up the Brinks truck to his house. Just dump it all off. I don't care what they have to do. Holyoke? Jones amazing. I want him on my team forever. Welcome to another episode of the falcons podcast the official podcasts at the falcons on the SP nation podcast network. I am DWI. This. Always I am joined by my co host. Here we go the gym dogs for spur name. The tar Gary NFL consider the quake drama girl Facebook messenger. The trash talker supreme the one and only touchdown balls. She who not be bossed, Gina, Madeleine, Thomas Gina. It's been a longtime. How're you doing? I'm doing great. I'm happy to be back on the Mike talking about the falcons, we've got a lot of stuff to talk about which is a nice change of pace here on the off season. It is it is we we've sort of defaulted to the crossfire podcast for the while which has been a lot of fun, and we have defaulted to it because they have a lot of fun. But we do have a lot to talk about in on that note. Joining us today is one of our writers from the falcons dot com. He's one of my favorites. When a personal favorites, you know him for his in-depth analysis pieces and his his gift Jif gifts. Jeff, whichever his gift reviews on Twitter. Just probably started other Twitter fight over how the pronounce that is Bill while, but we're glad to have Alan Cirque back on the official podcasts. Alan how you doing man. It's to us nineteen is still the law said, so. Gene is gift or Jif? Well, the crater says that it's a hard G, and I would tend to default to the person who holds the electoral property. I think that if he thinks it's a hard g it's a gif. I'm not gonna get into fights about this like hotdogs and says I'm just going to say, it's my preference to say gif, if you say Jif, I'm not going to crack you I think to each his own. Let's just all live and let live. Absolutely. We're gonna leave that there. Because that is that is the fight that I just don't have the energy for. But we have got a hot to talk about because in the off season. The falcons have made some moves. They've some were expected some are unexpected we are basically at the time of this recording. We are less than two days away from the start of the official two thousand nineteen NFL season. Which also means the start of free agency official free agency not the tampering period. Like we're in right now. So I wanted to start first guys with the cuts. We we have not had a chance to talk about this on the podcasts. And some of these are pretty significant, and I wanna start at the very top with the name that I think many fans were caught off guard by many fans are still upset by if you sort of scan it, but in a funny way, many fans sort of understood this move by the falcons, and that was the team cutting longtime fantastic kicker Matt Bryant. Actually, they didn't cut him. I think we should clarify that for those who are wondering they just did not pick up his option for the two thousand eighteen season which technically makes him a free agent. They just they let him go ahead of time that they were locking to pick up that option Sajid, I'm going to start with you first on, you know, your thoughts about Brian whether or not you saw this coming what you think about this move since Bryant's going to be forty four. This may obviously it's an old age for football. You and I both know it's an old age. And okay. Quite there but met Bryant is not a young, man. So your thoughts on a mat Brian this. Well, I mean, obviously, I was very sad to see Matt Bryant go. I mean, he's been such an integral part of so much the team success since he came here. I love him as a person I love him as a player, but when you look at his cap it when you look at the performance of tobacco when he had to fill in for Brian's, and he was spectacular. And so I think when you look at the fact that the falcons could save money by doing that. And that Bryant's career has a finite amount of time left in it. I think that it does make sense to go to somebody younger save a little bit of money, especially considering the cap situation. So I don't like it. But yeah, I get it. Alan your thoughts Jeanne abrupt Vecchio, do you think he was a major factor in the team deciding to move on from the the longtime kicker. Remember the Monday night game has to giants. He made like fifty three archaic that made it to possession game. Oh, is it was reliable based on the few games? They played it in. I know things didn't go quite right in Oakland. But he showed some promise there. I think the one big concern about the movie just met Brian is probably one the eight reliable kickers football. As no kickers guests bear fans. Guess like fans that good hall you for many years ago. Buffs fans as well. Hopefully, don't spend a second pick one. But it's on a stable move. It's under still it does not allow liability at the kicker position Bryant breeze. It's you even though he is spoilt four. But look at the colts have Terry. I know he's alleged. But he's somebody that still kick out also results seal pans out at if velcro is reliable as is or at least the organization Bolivia's, the people get over the loss pretty quickly and tobacco by comparison. Believe is twenty nine maybe thirty years old. So he still has a lot of years ahead of him again, assuming that he? He continues to play. Well, like he did last year. And I I do think personally he was a big factor in this. I think the writing was on the wall when they signed him to a two year contract. I think a lot of fans thought okay, they're going to bring both guys in the camp and let them compete. But at some point, you know, the fifteen year difference between them I think that it was just too much to ignore. And the fact that Bryant did get injured, you know, I think it made the team look at his health and take that into strong consideration. Because I'll tell you guys when you get up to your your mid forties. The healing does not happen. Nearly as fast as it does. When you're in your twenties thirties, it takes much longer to heal from the the Nag's in Bunsen bruises that you you suffer. So. Danny how we're gonna move on the Matt Brian. I think is is similar fans. If you guys have any additional thoughts you want a reminisce about some of the stuff that he's done for falcons Goto, alcohol dot com. Do believe we've got some articles dropping in the very near future talking about Matt Bryant and commiserate with your fellow fans. The next on the list in element go that you first on this one. Because honestly, he is he is a player that are fans have absolutely hated or have eight and and he he arguably had one of his worst seasons in two thousand eighteen I don't think anyone's going to argue with that. But that is Robert Alford. He is obviously already been picked up a by the Zona cardinals. Again, a rough two thousand eighteen but I feel like and you and I've had this conversation before I think we're sort of on the same page with where Alfred concern I feel like they hated him more than he deserved. So what are your thoughts on Alford what he meant to the team and sort of that long going perception about him being a bad player heavily penalize you're gonna get their reputation. They offered especially coming into league Beckett's thirteen or fourteen at first us over all tr- aggressive. But then you'd also by the lose, but then calmed up with sixteen started year ten pounds. He's the first big games are pal. Andrew Hirsch posted. Crazy step than the last eight games in the Super Bowl run helium three penalty. So heavily penalised said burn every hour. The distance highlight this moments where you're on the receiving end the pilots people. It's always miss together your mind, but I thought offered best seasons actually tell seventy really. Up his game on their forget that book Rams where he was blocking up semi Watkins where he was covering the I always thought he got criticized for too often just because of his style because he is aggressive any pillow, grabbing, but you know, it having that number two corner that somebody's gonna make plays as when that's gonna be overall reliable. You'll see a lot of those offer was rightfully re-signed twenty sixteen in give he was definitely liability in. It's justifiable move to cut because at this plant trying to get young position that we know the over wasn't always Quinn's guy. They drafted John constitutes fifteen. Osceola. Alber now choice. Great way to summit up Allen. Print off for though, he persevered because I think that kinda wanted to eventually fade away from but he held his own. Go which best Arizona if you saw that contract. They still believe in abso- how. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Big numbers, gene. Any additional thoughts on offered in his departure. I mean, I liked rob LA. And I think that he. I think that over his time here. Yeah. He'd commit a lot of penalties. But he also made a lot of big plays. Like, he was a fun player watch. He's very athletic as extremely fast and one thing that I do want to encourage everybody to do edited this today, and it's going up tomorrow by our own odman. I catch he wrote just kind of a retrospective about alford's creer, and it's really interesting to look back because his good years were really good. And he really was a difference maker. And the thing that I'm going to remember robber Alford by as definitely that pick six in the Super Bowl. I really think I mean, I remember sitting in our DC offices next. A Harry Lyles, and Harry, and I were like we were talking about how we are going to get that photo of Tom Brady on the ground and Alfred running it back into the end zone. We were gonna get it like fringed on canvas. And we were going to hang it in our houses as arch, and I'm telling you, I was de serious. And that thing would be hanging my house until I die if we won that game. So that is my fondest memory of Alford, and that is the one that I'm always going to think of him. Next on the list. Gina will start with you on this one. And he. Interesting signing. I think when when he first came in I feel like he's he was reliable. He was never a big contributor. But when he played he played decently. And that was Brooks read, I think many people saw this move coming his cap hit this year was going to be a bit more than what you would wanna pay for someone who is just a rotational piece. I don't think anyone is crying river over him. But whether your thoughts on read and his short stint in Atlanta. Well, you know, I think that read would have been more of an impact player and Atlanta and over the course of career if he hadn't struggled injury the way that he had he had a lot of injury issues while he was here. And I really think you know, the the team signed him first potential. I think ceiling was always very high. But that's really what held him back. I just want to take a very quick moment to just give some respect to Brooks reads hair, which. Tackler just really lovely. Those owning gold locks. I just I have so much respect for this man's hair. And must also take a quick moment. Suppor- one out for the accident on the name that I gave Brooks freed during training camp when I was typing on my phone, and I forgot my sunglasses. It was so right outside, and I was very sledding hydrated and Brooks teed people have never let it out. So I think migrating crate us wish for free this that he's able to keep that hair. And also that people will now forget that I called him Brooks teed cow. The falcons community is not good about things. Oh. They're not. Hearing about this one for years. So yes, but anyway breakfast, very nice. And I wish him all the best, but the cut makes sense because of the cap situation, and because of the fact that injuries have just really hindered. His ability to be a consistent player for them. Ellen four words for you. Brooks read spin move the glorious move on. Twenty six twenty seven the things people forget about books that he was at work course, what he was healthy like they had a reliable because Claiborne wet down during the Super Bowl run and free me of only place must snaps givens age they books, really. Snaps in. He give up see was limited. But you could ever question motoring. I thought twenty sixteen twice puts a good years together. But this year kind of decline a little based in c make that statement. Peggy was a great pass rusher. But equally make for please. But a ethical hurl. I know the signing was heavily criticised back in twenty fifteen. But I think we'll roll he'd panel four seasons in was injured pro the we look back at that Super Bowl kinda like all he was big time contributor. Yeah. I feel again like he's not a player people were passionate about I've never felt like he was a bad signing as depth guy. So. It's the hair the hair was fantastic really was twenty fifteen twenty to fifteen that season. I was the first sees on quitted signings. Like just Duran litter anchor Sohn, the kind of flop the other thing clayborn read those the only success stories, but cripple in tribute lot. Yeah. And I think there's something to be re remembered about the with those free agent signings is that. They're often hit and miss even with the big guys with the big number. So keep that in mind falcons fans as we go into free agency, which we'll talk about a little bit. Last name bring up, you know, we'll just touch on this quickly as you know, a player who came in on drafted. He had some history with Quinn out of the university of Florida, and he showed a lot of promise. But it seemed like the past couple of years that he hit his ceiling in Atlanta. And that was Brian Poole. He was you know, for several years are nickel corner. He was never what I would consider to be a fantastic corner. But he seemed to be well rounded could sometimes slider to safety. You know seem to have Cam Newton is number for. Picking him off in coverage. Again, he wasn't cut the the falcons just decided not to use a restricted free agency doesn't nation on him. They have said that they they would like to bring him back. But I think he is a victim of Demonte Casey's success so Allie request your thoughts on pool, and what also led to the team sort of potentially moving on us a little surprised by because pools such a fiscal player. I think he's one of those. It's kinda tone set are the quit definitely freesheet that. But I think it's limitations. He's not the fist is scoring. Does get grabby quite a bit in. You're playing the slot. That's probably like you saw penalties really picked up this year in his tackling. Definitely full obey missed allot tag, especially early in the season. But. One of the study players would fit while better defense plan covered through most of the time. But I I thought he could was maybe be more loads of things one of those guys. But sometimes it's just money does up in the AB going to do ratio. But I think pulls in our player that deserves curve for being when the state contributors for several seasons, but kinda like most defenceless year self cliff. Gina your thoughts on on pool in this move moving away from him. I mean, if you look at the amount that they would have had to pay to place a second round tag on him. It doesn't make any sense if you consider the cap situation, objectively, and so I understand why they wouldn't deal with ARA face stuff. Pull one thing that the coaching staff has universal Lee liked about him is that he is just so intense when he plays like he'd try to hit people like he tries to us SAS Nate them. And so I know that Quin likes that. But he's not really a prototypical Quinn a bag. And I think that there's just gonna be a little bit of change in the secondary this off season. It all makes sense. It'll be interesting if they're able to bring him back, but if they do Casey has earned his spot on the fee. Field. So pull might land somewhere else. I do really like Brian pole. And I enjoyed watching them play the whole time that he was here. But this makes sense to me. I think it comes down to Casey just having an explosive breakout season. And you know, we know that kion there's gonna be out there. When know the Ricardo Alice could be out there. The team is gonna roll with true font and Oliver's starting corners Casey is absolutely earned the right to be the nickel. At least you know, if the beginning season. I don't know how you justify keeping him off the field after the season that he had last year. Absolutely. And with that it, you know, if Brian pool slides down to your fourth corner, your time corner three million for that second round tenders. That's a lot of money. So I think it's it's it the cap is. What is that's a separate conversation for another podcast, but we will leave the cuts there that is the the four main names that the falcons boot on from didn't want touch on those and just get some thoughts. Out there, though fans probably still reeling from the Matt Bryant cut more than anything totally get it. But now on the talk about some of the players that the falcons are looking to keep or give extensions to and the first name on the list, which I think caught a lot of fans off guard was quarterback. Matt shaab? He's he is back. Again. The guy has got another two year contract. I will say it is very team friendly contract for a quarterback that even Matt Ryan has said is a very important piece to their offense. He he helps him a lot in the quarterback room. You know, heat. The the team basically has a two year deal with twenty twenty being an option year. So it's really a one year deal. Maybe two. So Jean I'll start with you. First your thoughts on the team keeping Matt Shaab yet again when everyone kind of thought he was going to disappear into the either. Has been a balcony tradition. The make really weird decisions backup quarterback. MS surprised? No. This is exactly what I thought was going to happen. Do I think that it makes the most sense? No, I'm the same person who has been saying draft amid around quarterback and let him learn develop behind Matt Ryan. And then sif he's good. And if he is if met still good than you trade them like Jimmy Garoppolo. Okay. I mean, maybe not that good. But you know, what I mean? And if he if he is if he is good than that. Sure. You know, Matt Ryan air parents. I mean, they've gotta start thinking about life after Matt Ryan, and I can tell you one thing with great certainty life after Matt Ryan eight Matt shop. On that play. He came in for Vic in the first game that I ever went to two thousand five against the Minnesota Vikings. I watch Mashhad play. I was so much younger than and so was Matt Shaab, and he actually not very good. Then this. Any sense? I would rather just roll with Kurt banker and see if he can develop and not spend this money on shop. This is probably the signing. The I am most up in arms about I didn't even realize I was fired up about until I started talking about. All right. That's my time. Alan any passionate thoughts about the backup quarterback for the kids. Could of crazy things. Matt Ryan if he plays sixteen games this year, it'll be ten years since he last the game because we're a ninety suffered miss do games and miss. And a half. Yeah. He didn't start two games and missed another. Maybe it was like three quarters. He's been durable. It's believable by still basically look concert because just like helmets. How much longer could keep their street live. But nothing is this match thirty eight this year any hasn't star born to game since two thousand thirteen and that was the raiders, which as knows the dumpster fire. So at the. So I I don't get the resigned though. Look if you'll have somebody that's if Lynch law crew so bed vice guidance but wanted so that some play baking billion anxious. I think mesh off at a coven for snap your resists. These are less. It was against the eagles. Because I remember I was there. I think it was actually opening night. Maybe because Matt Ryan Denise hurt. Like is the brace initial? NS? Yes, Sean came any Bosch the handoff. Like, you couldn't even hand. Sony. That's able to move in be sort of threats downfield. I'll. He just won the guys that, but you would hope at some point. Yeah. I think he's a player that. People. Call him a coach in in on the field. But he's really just a two million dollar voice. Here. Here's here's a suggestion because they could actually cut him hire him as an assistant coach same amount of money that doesn't count against the cap and he can stand on the sidelines and hold the goddamn ward. And they can get an actual backup quarterback. Who's not under navy years old like I'm not a GM or anything. But it's just an idea. Major coach belly's is still play. That's what they were talking about New York. So he's a that's that's if you want someone that's like, pork. Coach port somebody that's capable planes before games. I think we all agree. Shaab is. I'm not gonna get to up in arms. But it is such a weird. It is a very falcons move. So there's a very Felker's move. Yeah. To the Chris Redman nears. Chris Redman stick around until he was like seven. Felt like he was Wren's court or backup forever. Yeah. He social security by the time he left so. Yes. I'm pretty sure that he was. So I like I like that shop don't get me wrong. But I just don't think that this makes any sense like, you know, get with the times, he it doesn't make any sense. So the next name on this list before we get to the big one that I know all fans wondering about the next time on this list is the one that some fans or little bit and the by because he's tentacle still under contract in that is star receiver Julio Jones who the team last year they did a little bit for him as a part of his like half today. Hold out. And they said that they would address his contract this offseason. So we know that they want to work something out. We know that there are big wide receiver deals happening over and over every single year Julio is bar. None. The one of the best receivers in the in the in the league, and as of this recording, by the way, guys we know that where do they Tony overland has he Oakland so antennae Brown? You know, his team couldn't stand him so bad. They took a massive cap. Hit to let him go clan. And Odell Beckham has just been traded to the Browns. So at minimum falcons fans can say we have the best wide receiver in a league whose team actually wants to freaking keep them on the roster. So Alan I'm gonna go do on this one. You know, obviously the team doesn't have to rush to make deal happen here. But what kind of money? Do you think we're looking at for Julio? How long do we think he can play? I think he's what he's thirty turns thirty this year. You know, what are your thoughts on one extension say Hello for another four five years? As of course, he stays healthy. But just this work regimen. Just the way he bosses out corners if he lives to step he still some. Just body any it's they'll be affected. And bulletin is less year. So it's financially. Say whatever he wants because he's the best Acevedo legally. I. Served just whatever they feel is right or not doors ation because they kinda wanna get the best possible. But Louise, he could demand whatever he wants because he's premium east of receiver. Everyone wants have only seen this though by that. He's the best was relieved just at this point. So you hope for five years he still played a high level and knows after that. But to be dig up to prioritize because of course, vulnerable Chlor last week before the Dion Jones Goshi lift so it's gonna be just progress with that so icy who is offset number permanent but for St. on Jones as the centerpiece defensive at the gate of soon as well. Yeah. That's a lot of stuff coming so just for comparison Sammy Watkins Tonio Brown or both making right around seventeen million per year on their deals Antonio Brown. His new deal is giving about thirty million guaranteed on the over three years. So Gina your thoughts on Julio in. And what the team may do here. Have you seen this man's closing speed? Like, I watch this highlight video the other day of holy cow playing defense, and it was you know, after interceptions and things like that. And he was running down receivers from like the other side of the field. And he is like a cheetah. This man is human, and he shouldn't be paid like one give him all the money that he wants back up the Brinks truck to his house just dump it a lot. I don't care what they have to do. Holy jones. Amazing. I want him on my team forever. Pay him. Everything is that. Listrik? No. But that is what I want to see happen. 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If they can't get a deal done by that deadline whether deadline is he actually has to play under the tag for the two thousand nine hundred season, which is about fifteen a little bit over fifteen million dollars for that defensive tackle position. So gene, I'm going to start with you Grady Jarrett. We've heard that the sides the fall. Far apart? There have been rumors that he wants, quote, unquote, Aaron Donald money, whether your thoughts on Jarrett as a player what you know on whether or not he should get paid. How all of this plays out? Well, I think that they will probably work something out with Jarrett. I think that Jared chair is going to want to stay here. I think that they'll be able to come to some kind of agreement, but I understand why once the test the market, and I understand why the team had to apply the franchise tag. We've got a few months now that they're that they've decided to go that route. And so I think that over that span they'll be able to figure something out the one thing that concerns me is that they applied the non-exclusive tag him. So that he can still talk to other teams. So if they had applied the exclusive tag, I feel like I probably would've been more comfortable with it. But yeah, I still think that the work something out. And to to give some context some fans asked about the nature of the tag, first of all, the mon- exclusive the non-exclusive tag is what most teams use to genus point it does allow him and his agent to talk to any other team. They want to however, if another team gives him an offer sheet the falcons get the right to match the offer sheet made to him by the other team. And if they turn it down. In other words, they will let Grady sign with whatever team offers him contract. They actually get two first round picks as compensation from that team for leading Jericho. So it's as a matter of fact, someone asked me the other day if that has ever happened, and I cannot think of an instance in recent memory where a team actually gave up two first round picks to sign away a free agent like that if you guys can think of any. Me. No. But I could not think of any in recent memory. So it is exceedingly rare that a non-exclusive tag results in the player walking away. So Alan with all of that said your thoughts on Jared. How you doing? Defense attack position. There's so much Greytown there. So that's why I can't see team trae away for two trumpets course, viz look to us route fix even so crazy Jon Gruden would put. I understand. For Trent Brown. Linda conflict the deals they've got the highest paid players position. I'll either players top-five cons these top five, but you understand why? Jared wants to end the lion. He deserves the jobs at the he's the most valuable offensive player on the roster consistently excellently huge away just crime. He's really Volve as a pest at the something earliest creates struggle with banana seemed just make impact we get week out. I told this day was to get paid like it because he's one of the centerpieces, so and I think also people need take into consideration. Just because you're the highest paid player position. Doesn't mean. This could be time. Devante Freeman was is payment league. We all the, but we all agree that he's not the best league, especially that time. But Jared I'll put he's not here. Don, he's not Fletcher caused by Pullman that secondary. He's that good. He's entering his privates east. You got the value players like the whole thing. They would have because he somebody that is going to be like I said he's gonna be on the franchise cornerstones he's improving since twenty sixteen. And I think in fairness he is if anything he has improved every single year that he has been on the falcons his his level of play has only gotten better, and he's not one of those players that suddenly had a great season his contract year. He is literally every season become a bedroom better player and even this past season just became one of our best pass rushers from the interior and the best pass rushers period, you know, interior or on the edge. He was one of our best ones for reference just looked it up. Fletcher Cox who elementary and recently got a six year contract hundred two million little over one hundred million with about sixty three million guaranteed averages out to about seventeen million per season. I think that is kind of number that he's realistically gonna get. I don't think he's going to get the same numbers. Aaron Donald got 'cause Donald is a generational talent that very very few people can compare to. But I would not be surprised to Ellen's point. If he gets let your Cox money because as we've seen and this comes up a lot I want to if you guys take just a quick second to address this because this comes up. Even if you think a player is not the top his position. So you think you know, he is not the best defensive tackle league. The the question isn't whether he is better than their Donald or whether he's better than Fletcher Cox. The question is if you let him hit the market will another team pay him like he is. And the answer is absolutely undeniably. Yes. If we'd let Grady juror at the market another team will pay him big money. And that's why you have to pay these guys you pay them to keep them. Because if you let them hit free agency they will walk away, and they'll get a big deal. Elsewhere, and then you have to consider what is the cost to replace a player of that caliber, you cannot draft a Fletcher Cox in every single draft class. You cannot draft a Grady Jarrett in every single draft class. Maybe you can find another decent player, but a player of this caliber, even if he's not the number one player at that position. If he's the number five. Player that position pay the man to Allen's point you pay him. Now into three years. He's not going to be the highest played paid position player that position it all fleshes out. But the worst thing you can do is nickel and dime and try to get his salary right under Fletcher Cox 'cause you think that's where he ranks technically. This is this is not Madden. Not how this works in the real world, you pay the guys, and they keep resetting the contract deals every year, and it may not seem fair. But that's how the NFL has always worked Sajida you want to add anything onto that that my little mini rant there. I just want to reemphasize that great chair have three sex on Tom Brady and the Super Bowl. And so again that is enough in my mind to keep him. And since that time I mean that whole season. And then since that time he is really established himself as instrumental to the fell cans. He has such great burst off the snap. His size really helps him be disruptive. They've gotta keep him. He's just a great player. He was such a steel where they drafted him. They've gotta keep. Eight hundred nine hundred snaps thought more season. It's harder. Yeah. Does I mean he is one of the most consistent forces on the field for the falcons new fat? And he had six believe he missed what two or three games into Mateen six sacks from the interior missing two or three games, which for defensive tackle is pretty good. And if you watch the games he pressured quarterbacks far more often than when else on the team did he was a wrecking ball. So yeah, I'm with both. I think also they will get him to a long term deal. It's going to be I believe in of Fletcher Cox money fans will in in Dubai complain about it. But he he's he's gonna get paid. And I'm happy with that. Because he is a fantastic talent has Ellen mentioned. He's just continue to get better every season. It's going to happen. He's going to stay here in Atlanta. And. Couldn't be happier. So with that said that wraps up the the free agents and the guys on the team we wanna keep let's jump now to our flannel saving. I wanna talk about some of the signings or potential signings. Because technically as of the time of this recording team can actually sign a player. We're in Gina whether they call it. The legal the legal ambling Jared. It's legal tampering is not legal, but tampering is overlooked during the three days, so in essence. Supposed to happen is you cannot it used to be the NFL said you cannot negotiate with player that is not on your team until free agency opens which is always four PM on the day that the new league year starts this year. The league year starts March fourteenth so four pm March fourteenth, which is Thursday is win free agents can actually sign the NFL. However, they did this years ago. But they finally wrote in the rule that said, okay, we know, you're doing it anyways. So we're going to let you talk to other players, and you can agree to terms and principle. You just can't make it official until free agency actually opens, and we actually saw today a very interesting. Consequence of that where ethnic bar was correct me if I'm wrong he was going to the jets. Yes. Alan you wanna finish what happened with with cool. Cool feet. Minnesota better offer inside the state of Minnesota. I'm gonna -ssume that Greg Williams scared away because as we all know, quite Williams is terrifying slice horrible human being. So all my buddy, I live at York's L of your cell further yet, they're like on the Justice. Of course, they hid of the top science day. Just couldn't get but get Moseley, but still. Yeah. So to the point we just made on paper, he agreed to sign with the jets and the day later, you know, nothing was official and it became unofficial. So that said there are a couple of names falcons have been officially unofficially linked to as the first part of free agency. I I wanna talk about what happened that made this move possible as of today to recording this on Tuesday, March twelve. Earlier in the day. The falcons actually used a clause in Matt Ryan's contract, which is an automatic clause. Allows them to convert his salary into a bonus which subsequently allows them to prorate that bonus and push off some of the cap hits a future years. They converted eight point seven five million of his deal in ended up freeing up about seven million dollars cap space. Obviously that kind of move got people thinking oh gosh there there now fring cap space to make a move which they did. And I do wanna dress something because I saw people trying to give you know, Matt Ryan the credit for being a team player in doing this, which I am the biggest Matt Ryan fan you'll find but he had nothing to do with this. It was. It was his contract. This is a standard sort of for Matt for big contracts. Like, what Ryan has this is a boilerplate type of deal that they put into all these contracts where they it allows the team caps lex ability to you know, as we said kick the kick the can down the road a little bit with the cap is concerned. So guys, you know, we all love Matt Ryan. But this was not something where he went to the team and said, hey, let me take a pay cut. He is still getting the same amount of cash this year. Nothing changes for him the team just get some cap relief. So I wanna put that aside. But now onto the today that we saw Gina. I didn't know anything about these names. We're in the falcons chat when these sort of dropped in came out of nowhere. The I was John Brown who believe came from the jets is that right? Yes. The giants. I'm getting these to mix up. Yeah. Yeah. The guy the guy name the Spanish him came from the. No came from a giant say, I can't even keep a straight. All I knows his name is Spanish for him. And and he is a very a very large, man. These of the things. I'm gonna look it up because I had no idea this guy was and let me see here. Jim Jim Brown. Yes. He is six foot four three hundred and forty pounds. According to PF. Spent some time in LA and most of the season with the giants big big do which we'll talk about that in the second the other name, which I think I was getting him crossed up with was James carpenter. And I believe he came from the jets if I'm reading this, right? Yes. Yes. He came from the jets. I knew that. Because one of our local radio guys Brandon leak. Rached outs made stay when Chris or walking our dog and asked me if I could get a jets and Chien's writer from Espy nation to talk to him about the signings. And I was like, that's right. They're both New York's EM. So that's why it's easy to mix them up. And then I had to look up our posts to be sorted that I was asking are jets giants guy to talk about the right people because I had never heard of this guys. So anyway for reference James carpenters, six foot five three hundred twenty one pounds. So. So what does that tell us? Boy is I think it tells us that we're gonna move away from the zone scheme. Because those those men can't move that fast. And I'm just being honest. It's not a criticism just being think that is. The big thing here that these are two massive human beings and. On the plus side. It looks like they're going to be far more stout impasse protection. If there's one criticism, you know, people have of the design blocking scheme when you have those smaller more athletic offensive lineman. Those seven step drops for quarterbacks tend to be more painful. And we saw that with Ryan we saw Ryan last year. He got sacked allot Allen. I know you saw it firsthand and doing your gift reviews where Allah. Ryan was constantly sort of under pressure in those deep drawbacks. And when we talk about the zone running scheme to lie people just say the zone blocking scheme, but in reality all teams run some variation of inside zone. It's the wide zone where you've got the backside cut blocks you've got guys, you know, really having to cover a lot of ground going out. Why giving the cutback lanes the running backs? I think that is what's going to be drastically reduced so Gina. I'll I'll ask you. What do you think about this move? And what it may signal as far as the falcons making that change, even though, you know, again Quin sort of said, no, we're not going to change our scheme. This seems to indicate there may be some flexibility there. I mean, I don't know unless they're planning on doing some kind of like platooning. Lineman. I don't and that's a terrible idea because chemistry is just integral to this accessible line. You can't really change the lineup. Yeah. I just I don't see how that works with these guys. And even as roads or even as backups like I don't see how that works with these guys. I think that this. If you think back to the Paul Eli enticing Tyson Jackson signings, and we're like, oh, man. They're moving to three or four. There's no that's three or four like we are all amped about it. And then remember, it wasn't do some kind of like, I guess fell kipnes related post traumatic stress syndrome where I'm like they really could sign these big guys. And so me planning to do that. Which would be terrible idea. I don't think so like, I just think that that is way too unreasonable. Go. The take was so hot Jeanne dropped out. Right. Well when she comes back. We'll ask her Allen. Whether you think about these these moves and bring in these two big big bodies shook it because she is such a great athlete outs. Even though his getting older still good size. When the best him. Jason Kelsey, see them gets a second level to flower job and socks done. I guess tie somber athlete of we'll see. I'm still not convinced he's star mislead. But oh. She'll jump back on. We're good. I'm not I'm not sure if he starts but Todd tell but it's gonna be it's too. I think one thing that Dan quid you can tell you get really sick of I'll have to staff about this up with the fell be. There is one of the worst. Show yours convergence us day could not convert on the report the short-stay allies last year got support. Muhammad, Stu Heather while the converged show yourself bandit bar. I could see why they wanna get necessarily front. I do corP knows a former first round pick actually was with Quincy. I know D coordinator, but Quinn, new Seattle or lively to thirteen to fourteen. So so I think there's some ties they Brown was actually the first year would show McVeigh star. But then he injured in preseason. I think also Blake is named took the spied never looked back. So these guys do have star experience as encouraging. I do wish they could may be spent more money on. I know the couldn't for Roger Seth. But may civil with those little worker, but the cap space, do I guess is someone encouraged gang gourds store experience because it's no doubt. That was the weakest position on the roster. Just no star is like vitro Kim years, but he's injured prone. I don't think west showing serve we've seen two years of now. Don't these NFL caliber star diesel back of best zanesville, same Beatles? They really need to go. Get guards. It would've been cool to see them drifts gore. The frisk ride gets younger, but I think they see there's a lot of flaws on the roster at do believe this is a draft where there's gonna be a lot of good defensive lineman. Log of detectives as well. So why not just get up veteran guards coz? Yeah. Yeah. Now, I think too especially with ofensive line that can be a couple years before those guys pan out defensive line, especially defensive interior you tend to see a little bit quicker production from those guys. So I can understand that. Especially with Ryan at the age that he has probably wanna make sure that they keep him much cleaner in the pocket, and they had in the past and is much harder to push around the three hundred forty pound man than it is a two hundred ninety five pound. So real quick. Alan your thoughts, on Beasley is this. The right move was at the wrong move should the team of gone head move on. I don't think it's the right. We will buy a power move on Dan quince, but this is his first ever draft pick in. No. From also pests experience Thomas to be likes to hang onto first rounders as long as possible PR, Jerry. Leave it some early sicker. Lamar holmes? If your players that have that draft pedigree will be valued for even though the production never really met the Bruce row status or higher status. But Beasley at has been impact place on sixteen even when he was I guess you quote impact player over flesh of it just hasn't evolved often tackles, but mainly right tackles this figure out they get the hands on he's doing anything. He just hasn't developed counter moves to really use that speak. Our knows. He's a freak athlete knows that. I I just hasn't quantified the need to see this only games where he's not this, especially big games to see. Right. Tackle get control. Just look does. No justifying pay 'em out by could see why Dan Quinn's do inches because he wants to see if he could get scwhab because he is somebody that has the first pick of his tenure end is still someone that's really forgetful at may be just figure out ways get creative would have been those. But do I think bees? For long term. Now. I think he somebody that just gonna realize that was a mistake that he just he's kind of the bench at dimension. Just isn Sunday. You could keep t- in the win on special player has says. Yeah, I agree. I was firmly in the boat that they need to move on. I'm with you. I understand why they did it. I think the Dan Quayle is thinking, hey, if I get my hands on him and spend more time with them. I can help him to develop those moves. But honestly, I think if we were going to see that we we've seen the progress in. That's the thing that I just don't think we saw any of we didn't see any progress from two thousand sixteen seventeen seventeen to eighteen I think we're going to suddenly see that progress happened between two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen. I don't think he'll be you know, worth what his agent is gonna wanna try to get for him after the season. Even if he gets double digit sacks. I think the best thing for the falcons to do is to on in not treat dislikes Sam Baker situation where he has one good year. And then they come up. It's another name. Yeah. There's a as well. Right. So I honestly if he does have a good season, maybe you can hope that he signed somewhere, and it gets you a Compaq as a free agent that that signs on the another team maybe three or four team will think that they can do more with him as an outside linebacker. But I just think it's time Atlanta has been a bust. What makes is that? They fully commit to him as an edge rusher in twenty eighteen because we aren't so seventeen deploy little straw Cy linebacker, right? Partly due to injury. Also because I think would wanna try there. But it says eighteen they're gonna make enough to you're gonna rush the passer hundred time and to be plagued the seventeen sluts decent games rep. But at last year there were very few flashes. Like, all that's the Beasley that was ironically, the sacking twenty sixteen looking back on who led the league in sacks. Just Vic visi tells it sixteen that will never make sense. Though, it won't hurts because it was really excited because you've twice exchanges because everyone knows falcon fans a bit crazy for Russian for years ever since John Abraham cut. They just one that explosive big play this week depend on week in week out to generate pressure in Spezia, just has been unfortunately in the I think this is one thing they keep an eye on in two thousand nineteen is you know, what he does also what what tat McKinley does and potentially a draft pick as you mentioned Allen. This is a. Potentially very deep deep class defensive line talent in and hopefully the falcons will take advantage of it. So with that we're going to wrap up this week's podcast Allen. Thank you for joining us. Again, it's been longtime one have you back on more frequently. So why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you what you've got going on. Right out folks afraid, I know the falcons aren't gonna be that active. But this definitely still things that should come up is free agency. Most teams have thanks that that going to change their franchise. So maybe one or two more sonny's than of course, we at the draft come up. This is the pivotal year for franchise 'cause when's now the full fence according responsibilities and the pressures on because sees only again berry seemed teams at the Packers improving. So this team's gonna have to keep a was because NFC eight nine teams play. So that's exciting. But cover news, hopefully within April May June. That's where or create. While for my dears. That's when I start you being that mad, scientists fun three. Three right now between more Sonate boats allow cover the news because there's just so much stuff coming out right now. Yep. Absolutely. 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#311: Fresh-Air Seeker, Grow-House Rehab, and Getting off Gas

The Fine Homebuilding Podcast

1:06:05 hr | 9 months ago

#311: Fresh-Air Seeker, Grow-House Rehab, and Getting off Gas

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Show that you care about preserving your quality craftsmanship with their full line of service protection and does control. Solutions see at protective products dot com said johnke and have to spend tens or hundred thousand dollars to to fix it. Yeah i told her if we have to. You know go home shopping. She's gonna go ahead with the agent. And i'm going to lag behind and i'm gonna pull back pieces of vinyl siding so we can peek behind there to see what's going on and welcome to the fine home building. Podcast our weekly discussion of building remodeling design topics aimed at anybody who cares deeply about the craft and science of working on houses. This is senior editor patron mccomb. Today i'm joined by matinal. Ham deputy editor now going brian. Ponta lillo find homebuilding editor. Hey everyone and jeff rose all our editor You can email your questions. To f- hp pod cast at taunton dot com. You can find previous podcast and check out the show notes at fine homebuilding dot com slash. Podcast well it is a pleasure to see you guys this morning and we were talking about it before the show. If we have any success today we will have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat over. Here we're already site we lost. We lost brian. Matt learned about being on the show like five minutes ago about five minutes ago. Yeah yeah. I like red got coffee. I was like no me through. Put the wrong date on the meeting. Invitation that we use to alert each other to be here and So yeah it was a train wreck so far. But i'm going to make this work somehow. So i guess we'll wait for brian to come comeback or should we start talking without him. We could do whatever you want to do. What do you think jeff. I've kinda feel like we should wait till he comes back and a fresh start but okay. We can't do a fresh start. We can't start over now. We're already into it but we'll take a break and we'll come back right. We're gonna you're back on. It's so funny. How like you know something happens on my in but it seems like it happens to you all hard like solid. As a as a brock's. I just figured i'm getting out of here. We have to start again. Hopefully this is not an ongoing probe. Well it only fits with the way. The things have been going this morning so far so matt. How are your pops a you. Were talking about them a little in conversation on slack and we shouldn't talk too much about that but they're they're acting like puppies right. Yeah they're acting like puppies dogs. Are you know they're kind of gross. The phillies stuff and i had moved their pen. It was a little bit small Like i put it in a spot where it would kind of fit in kind of be in a place where i could watch them all day if i put them outside and it's too cold to leave him out for very long now anyway but her so anyway i moved it to a different spot and we have all kinds of wildlife outside. You know. Bears deer foxes everything and anyway so the bears love to go to the bathroom all over the place. They don't contrary to popular belief. They do not just poop in the woods on your driveway. And anyway so it's really cold out and the area. I put the pen is got a lot of really high grass. It's kind of a place we sorta are letting go back a little bit wild but it seemed like it'd be a fun place for the dogs to run around and Yeah one of them. Like i went out in the dark to get him the other night and brought them back in and one of runs underneath the coffee table and dropped something on the floor. I'm like oh what is that. They clump of air pu. Yeah so she had a little bit of stomach troubles after that. Because i think she'd been snacking on it but lovely yeah. I don't know if it a learner or not but hopefully well some some of us have to learn the hard way man. That's all i would say. Yeah brian what have you been doing not much make it a magazine with you all and let living a pretty quiet existence. Otherwise so what does one do to amuse oneself. When one is a renter. During times of cova question we talked about the mighty motorcycle riding it back. Yes i've been riding it we've had. We've had warm enough weather to ride for sure. And and i think. I might make a couple of desks this weekend. What this weekend. I need to do something and amy needs a desk and she had an idea for a desk that i think i might be interested in two so i'm going to kind of make. Some prototypes like just really kind of simple Simple materials just screw together and see if we liked them. Yeah plywood nutshell what i'm gonna do yet for the legs but Yeah just some simple like a prototype. Desks to see i. When i moved down here. Two and a half years ago. I need to work on my head some free. I wasn't working a final time tonight. Has freelance assignments and And i needed to like i got here. They needed to work. I didn't have a desk. So i when i went on craigslist. I drove out to neighborhood like twenty minutes outside of the city. I bought a desperate twenty dollars in the japanese. May throw in a chair and none of this is very stable or very useful. And i'm still using it today almost two years later well. I'm going to tell you something. I have the perfect suggestion for you. So i have these rigid saw horses from the test. Right yeah i still love these things. They're fantastic their height. Adjustable this shelf underneath this is quite useful. And all you gotta do is go to home center by butcherblock tops. There are two foot wide by you can buy them in four six and eight. Thanks and you stick it right on this software horses in and you're you're done when you want to work at it at height you raise them up when you want to sit at it you could lower. Its freaking awesome horses right now so hundred bucks. It'll cost you for the saw horses. Not a bad idea magic on and you know they'll have utility for other stuff well to change the subject. A little bit i was it was really exciting. How much feedback we got on the article you did. I thought horses. And i never imagined. I imagine it's been so much fun to read all these letters and look at all the photos and we're going to pack as many of them as we can't reach. We put one in in the last issue of fine homebuilding but they just kind of kept coming. So we're gonna pack as many as we can into the letters column in this next in this next issue. So if you've if you've written in jones year saw horses are shared. Your experience was ours. We're going to do our best to get it. We we definitely more than we can imprint so to do our best to to get a bunch of them in there and you know maybe additive down is a little bit to kind of fix. I'd rather fit more than than fewer now fewer. We have a great community. And thank you all for sending that stuff in it really is a special how you share with us and then we can share with a broader audience. And it's a very cool thing. I would say yeah. I've been thinking about what's the next thing we got. ask for. what else what else are so passionate about. I don't know. Is it guys passionate wallace. Applebees or you know because we know we know what our readers are interested in for sure but this was just sort of an open in response to something And maybe it's because. I think we talked about this a little bit. But maybe i don't know if it on the show and maybe it's because it's a tool you make yourself or you can make yourself And that's what we in that refer received. I mean really need stop. We had a metal fabricator ended his version of saw horses. We had we had someone who did a suber. Upgrade odds of harbor freight saw hearses like out of this world upgrade. That's really interesting. yeah. I think that's the other thing is saw. Horses are super customizable for whatever it is you're doing and if you do something very specific google you can make something that is perfect for your needs right. Yeah we got a letter from a gentleman who had just suffered a back injury and was starting a project so he made a pair that we're at a height that he didn't need to bend forward at all to work at them. That was eric limpkey and we have a pro talk. Podcast recorded with him was another thread that ties us all together. He is a woodworking teacher in a school district and and he was on. That was that was super interesting to talk to him. He started asking me questions which was a little uncomfortable. I must admit oh boy. So at the risk of hogging the entire show I've been working on my kitchen. Cabinets that go around my washer and dryer. And that's how i know about the block countertops. You can buy at the home center. Because i bought two pieces. That are six foot. Were six long. And i one down to make a top wide enough that will cover the washer and dryer and a couple cabinet sides and nominate. Might not seem like all that much productivity but in one plane the floor is out of level about three quarters of an inch in about forty inches and in about five feet in the other plane. It's out about an inch. So i had to make the panel slope on the bottom to make the top flat. You know what. I'm saying right fun. It's made how old is your house so my house was originally built in the thirties. Bryan as a probably least occasional. Use kind of campy. Kind of place right. It was very tiny ahead a big porch and there's a lake nearby that folks would have probably voted on right so but when we bought it had been recently rehabbed and that was in two thousand ten. So is there a Is it kind of a common like Setup where there's a center beam down the length of the basement in floor joists they run from the venetian walls towards the center. Beam in the main part of the house brian. The big porch i was just describing is now the kitchen so that became living space. Probably before the guy. I bought it from rehabbed it but it was severely under framed. It is okay over spanned joyce because it was never meant to be. You know heavy duty living space right. It was right it. This thing was built cheap. Yeah so what. I had to at least stabilize it. So the washing machine wouldn't like i mean it was. It was scary. How much of the floor vibrated when it would go into a spin cycle whistle. Oh two thousand there. I said to caroline leeann night at the dinner table. I was like. I never really thought. I'd never really lived. There rented a place where i thought you could fall through the floor but this might be the place that could happen. I could stiffen that up. I went solved it with my credit card. I went and bought a adjustable lally column rate and it was a pretty good one so it costs like seventy bucks but i just stuck that under the end of the under the washing machine and it solve the problem perfectly and so we got some great feedback as we always do like i was saying earlier. We have a really wonderful community that share stuff with us. This comes from hiram patrick. We came across this home being built in southern utah and were quite intrigued. Apparently has built a phone blocks and then stuccoed both inside and out. They claim the proprietary stucco has the strength needed for the headers beans etc. Uh this home is being put together by the homeowners. An order couple. I do not talk to them but a friend did who took these photos. Botha plumbers electricians that. I use on my houses. They're doing the work on this home. Also with lumber cost going through the roof. is this a future of housing. The window and door bucks and trim are made a vinyl so there is literally no would involved at all. This essentially eliminates the worry of rotting. I'm not sure what they're doing for holding up the cabinets etc on the interior. I guess there's more to learn about this new way of building. Thank you hiram catalyst contracting. Have you guys ever seen a system like this looking at the picture. I've seen something like a. It's been around for quite a while. I don't know that you know this. Particular companies version of it has been around for a long time but do you want to describe it meant. Yeah it's basically like it looks like gigantic blocks of what i'm guessing it's probably like super dense. Eps foam. i don't know how they're held together exactly but yet looks like they essentially glue these. They like and create this house but this is in southern utah. No i don't know if they have issues or like worries about wrought down there. Maybe they do from vaber drive. But i think it's the desert. I mean it looks like the desert and that's my interest my remembering of this and i don't remember where i saw. It may have been when. I was a kid or something like that. Like some demonstration of like building one of these driving like a a truck on it like building like a floor deck and then driving like a semi or something on it. So i don't know if you've been like one of those things that's like it's in the memory bank somewhere but i don't know why also like surface bonding cement. Which people have used with. Cmu's concrete masonry units is a thing that's been around for at least decades but i've never seen anything like this. How about you brian. and now i I don't necessarily understand it from the description of it where there's it doesn't sound like. There's any structural material unless matters is right unless they're not rate. Yeah let's it is the. It is the foam. That is better structural. So but you still after you got a lot to hold up in a in a house so And i am. I'm not sure how high density foam is with point loads rate. It's good with loads that are spread out like pork slab over over it or something like that. I don't know about it when it comes to point votes. Are there point loads. This stuff is like you know. They're big something has to. I don't know. I guess we'd have to see the rest of the system. Yeah well do wonder glick. If the stucco sort of acts the way he describes it. I mean they're kind of creating a stressed skin panel which could be pretty strong although at the same time. Concrete doesn't really have a lot of like tension strengthen tension so i don't know Jeff what do you think about this. I reminds me of have you guys ever seen the foam home up in new fairfield. Now it's like the most bizarre thing is basically huge balloons that they spray foam over and then stuccoed deflated the balloon then stuccoed the surfaces. That sounds horrible. It was very very seventies. There's one of those across from my sister's home in western pennsylvania as a similar. That's that's the way at similar thing. I'm sure yeah. I saw house It was actually probably just a picture of a house. Where a guy had. I think built like a mound of sand and then like poured concrete over that and then like dug out all the sand in on created like a cave. That sounds just as bad these systems like you know. I'm always i question them because like why. Why have we never seen this given what we do. You know if this can't be very mainstream and there's got to be good reason for that and you know in a cooling climate. Does it make sense to have twelve inches of eps from an environmental or energy standpoint. That's the thing. That's where. I think it may not you know like i said i think this has been around for a while and i think that may be part of why hasn't taken off like it's hasn't taken off if interesting and it's something that i actually just assigned An article to someone To write for fine homebuilding about y y stick framing rules residential construction in the united states. Because i think it's fascinating that there are many other ways to build many of them with Lots of positive attributes. In lots of reasons why you would like it and yet i hope to find out soon. What the percentage of homes are that stick framed on site in the united states is but we know it's super high and the majority anyway so no matter. No matter what no matter what we can come up with as designers engineers builders a including just stick framing. It just doesn't. It doesn't seem to make inroads in our building industry and i can. I can guess at some of the answers. Why but i'll be really curious to find out what you know To know what a journalist find out when they really dig into this. I and i. I'm curious to talk. Not only custom builders to you know who can consider our audience in remodelers but also kind of big time production builders and find out you know them why why bill they're like full d holmes doesn bila factory where they can control everything where they can keep on schedule a life in why they continue to build on site. 'cause it's cheaper that's probably going to be the answer. You don't have to maintain a warehouse that were a huge building and he didn't cool it and provide like when you're building out in the field somewhere. All that stuff goes away. All those costs are nonexistent. That's my theory about part of. It wonder what it what the answer will be when it comes to smaller builders custom builders especially who are building twelve inch thick walls or using larson trust systems. Or whatever like wild things that you know builders. They're doing these days. Like how does it still make sense for them to be executing that onsite instead of system that can do all that and be assembled faster. Quicker can be ordered can be delivered today. You expect it to be there and the house. Bill bill finishing three days. The shell when they figure that out. You'll see it hi f. Hp gang regarding kylie's unfinished house photo from episode through five. The picture affects a lot of feelings on the positive side. It certainly can be described as an interesting house and probably provide a lifetime of experience. Framing it and flashing it and every other important data keep it from becoming modi candy. I do agree. The portico looks cool. But i would wonder if i drove up under it. If bellhop would come out and opened the car door for valet service. I'm trying not to be all sour. So the chimneys are pretty on a less positive note. The hips hips on. Hips are confusing. They're trying to recreate some view of the pyramids of giza. Perhaps certainly clear that the answer to the question should we had a door to the roof. Line was a resounding. Yes it's hard to tell from picture but it also looks like there might be a really nice place on the roof to collect snow and store it for well. Insulation all joking aside. I just hope someone finishes it and takes care of it so it's not a waste material. Keep up the good work. Guys gal are awesome. Ryan redondo beach california. Did you see that house matt on that show now highly sent us a photo of this house. She sees when she goes on walks. And how would you describe it brian. Well for the most part. I would describe it as sort of your kind of make mansion. You know it's got the features of it's got the features of a make mansion As several of our listeners pointed out the thing has been under construction for a really long time because the copperhead turned green which takes at least a decade right and the thing is still very much under construction. You can tell. And i wonder if there was some kind of disaster inside because there's just like this huge debris pile in front of the garage. That looks like insulation and drywall and stuff like a pipe. Ruptured or there was an ice dam situation or something that happened was in in a conversation with kevin iro ten former fine homebuilding editor recently about project. He's considering building. It's it's on the property of his existing home and he wants to add a garage with lilies base about whether that living spaces are a rental guest bedroom or like some live in help for he and his wife down the road. He's not sure but he thinks he wants. He's always wanted. A garage is finally at a time when he can do it anyway. So he's thinking about the mickey use of it in This living space above and he in one of the problems with the design that we're looking at is that the the garage is a little bit out of scale with the house because his house is this sort of very old Connecticut cape dining. It's tiny and in even even in its timeliness. It's got a very verse low-profile away it sits on his property below disney's kind of search sleeping backside is really short. Yeah so so. The one of the tricks in in concerns is that the the garage looks which is going to have a barn light. kind of appearance looks really out of scale. And it's got this. It's got like a saltbox shape in on the on the north facing side of it is just a big empty roads playing and so we are kicking around ideas for how to minimize the scale if it's possible to minimize the scale of the garage and i asked him about a dorm so it'd dormer improve the interior space in break up that big roof and then in in you know his response that That it might but the spaces might not be interest based but the space is already designed pretty well without it does have these south facing windows. Lots of lots of light coming and going for sort of pats levels of performance though he's not trying to build up a pass certified passive house building. Anyway you can you can spend you can spend hours talking about whether it makes sense to add a simple dorm or not because no because well. We'll help the design. It adds complexity it adds cost minimizes efficiency. And so you know how to answer that question about adding adding one simple dormer is. It's a hard question to answer. I obviously this came to mind because of The you know the letter that you just read patrick like the answer. Tatty dr resigned. Yes these are tough decisions to make and everything had complexity to a building. You complicate it will increase. Kevin has decided. It's a huge energy. Hit to right and hanged. A huge are sixty roof there. That's you know keeping the heat and now if you son you've got this weird shape that doesn't have as much insulation in the nearly as much a links in the roof. You know all these different flashing details and it takes. Let's be honest. you know. Tens of hours extra to do that versus just put up roof. Yes hello f. podcast team. I couldn't wait to get my face. Be t shirt to pose in front of my recently completed reciting project. It took eighteen months of weekends evenings to complete all ford sides on my own stripping. The ugly grey vinyl siding off getting down to the board sheathing air sealing and flashing installing new pacific blue certain teed cedar impressions citing. The podcast was with me. Every step of the way. Coaching me on air barriers flashing justin's video on workbench window casings using pocket holes etc. I particularly enjoyed the discussions on working alone. The suggestion to run this high bag tie vertically down. The wall instead of horizontally was a lifesaver. When you're working by yourself on a windy day. I was very grateful. I was it was a very gratifying project to transform one of the ugliest houses on the block. I even built a and sunburst gable. And i actually didn't do it alone. I had you all with me every step of the way. Thank you and keep up the great work. Bob beverly massachusetts bob. That is really sweet. Thank you and it was. Nato might work looks fantastic. Yeah bob it looks great. Thank you for getting rid of those useless shutters. That looks you know. I've said it before but our listeners. And the folks who subscribe to find home building dot com to the magazine. They take up some pretty freaking ambitious projects and it's really impressive. It got gotta say. Should we get to a question. Can i ask one thing on that either. you either. Seen where people have used siding on that part of gamble roof. Yes on the high pitch. That just seems to me. I should you it now but yeah i've seen it before. I mean i guess technically as far as the code is concerned that is concerned wall. Yeah so you can. instantly ago. Origin of the architectural form was to be a tax dodge. I don't know about that i. I really don't know what the origin of it is. I thought ahead boarded do with barnes. Maybe but i really don't know i i'm making this up this tax the garrison overhang. What'd you say jeff Mansard roofs were definitely attacks. Dodge yeah that's it is not worth talking about This is a gamble. But yeah it's it's similar in in shape. I guess in some respects except that it only affects the sort of the sides. It's it's like a modified gable roof. It seems like putting signing up. There is a bad idea. Yeah it should be roof right. It's roof this comes from pete. Pete writes all involved in the podcast. It is my favorite. I have listened to each and every one. I am an avid. I wire volunteer. Weekly the local habitat for humanity. Enjoy construction it's not my main job. I'm an engineer and project manager working in the it field. And i've been hands on tools all my life. I follow and appreciate building science and a follow appreciate craftsmanship but i- impractical and middle class cannot build new repair use repair using craftsmen or afford the best materials. I live in the nineteen seventies ranch and a nice new jersey suburb. Yes it does vinyl siding which i love when i rebuilt the walls of my half screen porch this summer. It allowed me to tackle the job knowing. I could make it. Look good by the way we use thirty pound felt as my knee wall. Water protection. T. one eleven on the inside and a lot of pt which was yes expensive. After completing the job we had a few sticks to return to the home depot and never return was based on the lowest cost of the several buys. I made i was shocked to see that return. Ring up. yes ring up. I'm that old at half. The price of my most recent buys from this three week project. So isn't that interesting that the price difference between his. Pt purchases in only three week. Time was noticeably different. Yeah well a lot. A lot of people are reporting. They can't get it. I've heard that they just can't get pressure treated lumber right now. I got a line on some like four foot off cuts. They're stashed under my deck. If anyone wants them. I let them go. Cheap looking a goes on to say and yes. I'm a bit long winded now. The thought. I often go outside with jacket unzipped. Why is this so different from my house. I don't desire to live in a spaceship closed environment. Me and my family to open windows sit outside etc. I did not use the ac unless it is unbearable. I open a window. Turn on a fan and smell the seasons listen to the birds and the wind swaying the trees etc as you can imagine. I feel very cooped up in the winter so if i win the lottery could build a new house with a basement slash crawlspace what would be the best envelope design. Be knowing that it will be opened as many times as possible. The signs of air sealing cannot be denied the liveability and enjoyment of. Life is what i question i would imagine a wall system that can both dry dry both sides and open roof system and a simple but not treated basement like crawl. That would house. The utilities would love to hear your discussion around this. Thanks pete so pete saying he likes to open the windows and he lives in a pretty decent. Climb it right Does it make sense to like super air. Sylla's house and i think it's a really good question and no one is caring. I don't. I don't think that because you're going because you plan to have and this is in my opinion. Obviously everything i say on the show. But i don't because you open the windows means that you don't build the house to beth to what we know to be best practices either so you know just because you're gonna open the windows when the weather's nice you know you still. You still want a tight house for the winter. When you're going to close your windows heat it and you want to build a house that is not just for you but for whoever may own down the road. Hopefully you're planning on building a house. It's gonna live you and so you know. I think. I think it's safe to say that. You know most people in most modern homes spend most of the year in a condition environment That's the reds where i mean. Air conditioning is just. It's standard in every house now. Didn't used to be that way but it is now you know in in new builds And so i don't think he. I don't know if i was building a house i wouldn't just think about my lifestyle i think about building the house right at having the doesn't preclude opening the windows when you on open the windows. I also wouldn't put mechanical uncondition crawl. Bet doesn't make sense right either conditioned crawl and put your mechanical in or put your mechanical somewhere else. Yeah i would not. I would avoid basement or indefinitely avoided crawlspace if i could see you you as a matter of course with build on a slab assuming like a lot was suitable for it right. I would. Yeah definitely. I mean i you know i have a basement and it's it's i guess basically nice storage but it's not a place i wanna hang out and i know there are plenty of basements that are that are great and everything but you know it even a walk. Walkout basement to me doesn't seem as comfortable as like the rest of the house. So i would just rather have more house when i say this to folks and i agree with you. They say we're going to put the ductwork. Patrick or where are you going to put the duckworth matt. I mean i don't have my current basements a pair that that's not a reasonable question because people are on slabs all over the country and they're finding places to put the ductwork. Maddox that practice. But it's easy enough to condition and addict we're seeing more and more builders bruton recently project with a hybrid slab basement most of the headlines but he had the central central basement. The ran down the center of the house. That just gave him a place to run. It was like pretty much friend subterranean utility chase. You know made a lot of sense for him. You've seen randy williams using platinum dresses. That trusses with Keep chemicals within the building envelope. You should describe that if you brian please. All sorts trust apparel it to trust designed bedtime and trust is designed in so many ways and they're such a smart way to build a roof but it's a this is a a planet trust is a trust designed that were the bottom chord bumps up I don't know maybe eighteen inches to feet at the most. You know down the center of the trust so that you can have an air barrier that follows the contours of this trust. It's flat and then it bumps up and then Is flat again in kind of bumps back down and has the shape and you can run your air barrier the bottom of trust as you can keep us that chased to keep your mechanic goals your duct runs and whatnot inside the building envelope and then you get a good layer of insulation on top right and you can you pile installation. On top of this thing you know pile blown in insulation top in have invented roof. And that's a really nice affordable. Smart osama give forgivable assembly right. Yeah it's gonna work. Yeah i i'm. I'm a lot like this this listener. I mean i like to have the windows open as much of the year. As as it's comfortable to so. I'm down with that. Open your windows in you know. live it up. So what's your air. Tightness goal brian. I think from the. I don't know that economics of you know the difference in efficiency and whatnot of Getting to one point five. Ach fifty versus point five. Ach fifty like wearing. There is this. I don't know but i think around one is a pretty nice is a pretty nice goal. From what know what do you think. What's your builders trust. what do you think matt. Yeah it seems like for new builds. Hitting one doesn't seem to be all that difficult or time consuming. So i mean. I think there'd be a lot of builders out. There are yelling at their podcast vice when they hear you say that because they probably have difficulty getting to three. Yeah and i mean. I guess if you're like a production builder and you're just like slamming through houses in your framing a house in a day or two and running out in the next site or whatever that maybe that's the case but if you're a custom home builder who's you know on a job for a year or more like what's a day. Yeah they're not. I at the at the risk of of insulting anyone if if if if if someone says it's a challenge to get to you know below code minimums for air sealing. I think they're not trying and they're not. They're not learning how to do it. Because once i think once you learn how to do it just to g j bernez example again. He says it's one a day's work for one person to get to their tightness. He level lows a he gets to which are extreme. And because once it's a matter of putting some sealant in the right places while you're while you're framing the walls it's a matter of taping your sheathing. It's a matter of taking care with penetrations but once you know to do these things in once you're doing of as part of your process it's not rocket science. It's time consuming. It's expensive right. Yeah it just becomes part of the process you become efficient at it and then all of your houses are like jake's at like three d. right and it doesn't require expensive products either and that's something that i think sometimes i it gets a Because a lot of the houses that we see that that we publish guilty of this that that have that hit these high benchmarks use expensive products. You can do it with less expensive products. You don't have to have a european tapes and stuff or you know you can do it with I think travis right. He likes to talk about this lot. Drivers burn guard. Like about how you can do this work with stuff that you get right off the shelves at your local home center and you hit. These numbers doesn't have to be expensive. Either i think i agree with all of that. I think there's there's people who are builders who are suddenly having to make air tightness goals and are very surprised When they don't pass the blower door test at the end and i think that's pretty common and i think it's about it's about learning the process right because it's not something you can not easily done unless you're you wanna use arab area. It's not something easily done after the bill. You can't bolt this on. It's not an additional as part of the process right right but hey air you know just to bring back. That's going to be a solution for. But you jeff that's going to be a solution for a lot of people do do minimal. Do minimal work along the way and then bring in the air barrier technician. And there's a date if every house new house built in this country wants got to three air changes. I would be thrilled. I would be staggered. I would never believe it if someone told me that it'd be a big improvement. And that's only that's only the the colour colour parts of the country where it's three in the warmer parts of the country only have to hit five to meteo everyday guys in my facebook feed. I see rotted. Houses honestly dislike completely. Rotted houses from bulk. Water getting in behind cladding and it's always these bill in from the period of the late eighties to the early 'oughts and i'm sure they're very expensive. Homes put their compost behind the brick facades and there is no way to fix that easily. How about if we dislike. Get water-management details as right as start. Wouldn't that be great reno. That'd be good place to start talking to carol. Of course it will be tough to be married to me. Solves haagen of carol yesterday morning about this very subject right. And i said carol you know if we ever have to move for whatever reason and we're not looking to buy a house or move but i was like there's so much garbage out there on the housing market and you really can't tell and if you knew you had one of these houses. I'm sure there's a lot of people who would not tell a soul their agent and or any potential buyers that they knew that there was compost behind their walls. And you could buy one of these pieces of junk and have to spend tens or hundred thousand dollars to fix it. Yeah i told her if we have to go home shopping she's going to go ahead with the agent and i'm going to lag behind and i'm gonna pull back pieces of vinyl siding so i can peek behind there to see what's going on. The inspectors are pretty limited in what they're allowed to do. They're not allowed to move things again. Lift up insulation in the attic to see what it looks like underneath or or you know. Look behind the vinyl siding so inspections are. i mean. They're worthwhile and in certainly. Certainly they certainly reveal some things but when it comes to a lot of these these structural issues in why not. They're also kind of lacking yeah. Hey they're fine home longtime listener first-time caller my we've wife and i recently purchased a foreclosed property that was being used as a grow house outside. Seattle we have the most awesome listeners. I swear it's not in bad shape but very dated. It was built in the early eighties kind of remodeled in the nineties. And it screams. Somebody help me. I'm taking the entire renovation myself with the exception of electrical and plumbing. Because i'm just not there yet. One issue i am unsure how to tackle is the buckled floor. And the garage. The garage door on the left does not sit flush against the concrete and can't be replaced until the slab is fixed while i love a brand new slab not in the budget for this one but the garage doors are a must to keep rodents out not to mention. The current ones are a little rough around the edges as my plan is to cut the buckled sections out deal with any roots or issues below the slab new gravel packet down and lay down some rebar before i call the local concrete company to fill the area with fresh concrete. I would also add a few expansion joints for good measure and paint it once. It's all done so it's not a total eyesore. The goal is to get me down the road for five to ten years and then deal with a new slab hack. I'll even take three to five. Does this seem like a reasonable solution. Or should i get back to the drawing board dave from seattle washington. You go first matt. It doesn't look that much different for my kelly. Then yeah that's a tough one. I mean how much more is it going to cost to replace the entire thing versus like i mean if you're gonna have a concrete truck come out you're going to have short load fees for the talking about anyway so it's talking about daily. Is that you pay more per yard. When you get small amounts of concrete you pay less when you get a bigger order. Yeah so i mean. I if you're gonna do it. I don't see why you wouldn't just replace the entire thing you know at once. I mean that way you can get a vapor barrier under that entire thing and get the the rebar and everything just continuous and it's just gonna make your life so much easier to deal with all at once rather than a little bit now and then the rest of it later. You're nodding your head brian. Yeah that's when. I saw the action that he he was planning to remove and a new concrete. I thought the same thing is mad. It seems like so much of the garage. That i find it. You know I found it kind of it was hard for me to believe that couldn't quote with the change to do the rest of it. Yes i thought to myself. If it really is a financial issue is there even. Let's he could do as a temporary fix. Could just fix underneath the door to let it sit flat like do even less for now. If that's the and save money so that you can do the whole slab sooner right. What do you think jeff. yeah. I think it's kind of an all or nothing sort of approach that brian was saying. It's like you just get the door to close deal. We never all agree on something on this show. So like you gotta take all the concrete out ore as brian suggest. Do something less. Like i thought make new carriage style doors that you know match the floor and you could do that for a couple of hundred bucks is my guess right and leave the floor loan until you can really do it and jack hamman all out there. It's gonna come up pretty easy and just bite the bullet then. Can you describe the current overhead door. I've seen that. Yeah fun project actually describing stuff this that would be no different than a molding to sound or when you're fun. I think you should go out there and do this for him. Man hey f. Hp team in massachusetts. There's a push push in some towns to electrify all heating sources and eliminate fossil fuels as a home builder. Natural gas seems to me the most efficient way to heat a house. Many split seem practical in some applications mostly renovation but to eliminate tankless gas water heaters and ninety six acm. Gas furnaces with electric pumps is foolish if electric prices were in massachusetts were cheap. I'd be more for electric. But that's not the case with the nuclear energy disappearing in the sun not so bright in the winter months. We'll be using fossil fuels to run. Our power plants for many decades to come is any of this movement backed by hard science data. What is the cost savings for the end user. What about upfront costs. Can you do a deep dive into this one feet. Feel free to edit for clarification and keep up the good work in my own house. My radiant he system is awesome in the gas bill on my small h. e. alpine boiler is cheap in comparison to my old town house that had electric heat pump furnace. Bob i think bob acid good question and We re bs beer on this recently and it was a very interesting discussion and roster three. Who is the son of the famous. This old house plumber right. Yup have very practical questions. Like how do you get folks massachusetts to get away from their boilers and gas furnaces. When the cost per. Btu is like if you compare it to electricity and with a cop one which means electric resistance heat. It costs five cents versus twenty. Some or twenty cents for a kilowatt hour of electricity. And of course you can get copd heaps down to three probably right. Brian you can get heat pumps. But i think it's i would see okay as high as four. We should tell jokes with. Cop means i write it. Means coefficient of performance in its it. It essentially means that for every unit of energy that you put into it you get if it's cop of to you get twice as much energy out of it. So it's a comparison to resistance heat right. It's you're you're paying for a kilowatt hour but you're getting twice as much heating ryan you would from a resistance. Heating russia's like back correct that his gas appliances are more efficient than electric. She's gonna run. They're not is correct that that they can be more cost effective. I mean there's no. There's no more efficient. I don't think way to make To heat home to cool refrigerator or he will water than than Than hip hop in terms of efficiency that but that that's not the same thing as cost effective as right. That's not the same thing as you know efficiency when it comes to your money so in this is not just a massachusetts all over the all over the coasts country on the whole country. There's there's a movement to to start to remove Gas in fossil fuels from new buildings both residential and commercial in. It's it it may not make economic sense for awhile. Movement is about decarbonization. And i think the you know the little. I know about it It's about the future right is about new buildings not going to tell you have to take your gas appliances Combustion appliances out of an existing house. It's about preparing for the future. Teams get really really really upset. When you say you're going to take away their gas range. And i think a lot of folks could argue. That's a really dangerous appliance. In bad for your health yeah invented gas ranges is. I think that's in your house. I think the idea is that you know if we're burning fossil fuels on site that can't be and if those appliances are available to in utilities. Are there for them to be installed within that can then can't be controlled. But when it's in the hands of the utilities it can be in electrical grid is getting cleaner and cleaner. You know this in twenty twenty Coal production is down. Twenty five percent. Natural gas and electricity. Production is flat and renewables are up eleven percent and consequently the grid is a leaning eleven cleaner than it was in. That's the direction that things are headed so to start. Having people put electric appliances in their houses now it prepares us for our future with carbon emissions also. The infrastructure is old and that's natural. gas mains are leaky. Three they up to three percents of natural gas delivered is lost to leaks. Yeah so that's a problem too so this is you know. Nyu's in private. Why leaks problem. A lot of folks probably don't realize right because it's a methane gas it gets released into the atmosphere which is actually quite it was actually the worst greenhouse gas. I believe there might be worse. I don't know but it's it certainly worse than a lot of the a lot of others. it's way worse than co two. Which is the comparison that everyone is more familiar with running. I can't. I can't make an argument for this being a you know a like a you know an economic a smart economic idea. I don't know a ton about how that all works. I know that You know another. There's lots of investment utility scale wind and solar house so in in that you know where we are producing a lot more Electricity that way. And so i i believe this is about preparing for that future. You know if if if municipalities able to pass these past these ordinances that require this than It might be a financial hit for people. While i don't know matt what do you think you you do. You think. I mean. I'm definitely for it. You know yeah. But i wouldn't you know like this guy i don't know i wouldn't want to take the boiler out of my house right now but i will say that you know as soon as that thing is. I'm getting rid of my might oil tank and i'm not going to replace it with another will fired boiler Just got an oil delivery yesterday. And i'm burning about a little less than a gallon day You know between july and and now and that will probably go up a little bit through the winter. Track that yeah and it's not like it's not like a used that much but at the same time my boiler is located in a really dumb spot like it's as far away from as far away from the taxes it could possibly be at my house And it's it's kinda loud compared to you know having like a e pump water heater that could use for my regular water for my hot water domestic hot water and i do like my baseboard heaters in in that the heat. The house up very quickly. But i don't have air conditioning. And i would. I would love the opportunity to replace everything with a mini split heat pumps just get you know like sort of just have it all you know. It's also it's hard to look at the you know the issue outside the context of the whole home. Because if you have a if you're talking about like a leaky old home on insulated home or even even poorly built a new home and you're trying to heat and cool that place in you want you do need to do it as cost effectively as possible. If you're building a new home and you throw your money into the envelope and you have in your conserving energy. I you know. You're not only. Are you gonna be putting in much smaller. More affordable mechanical systems. But at that rate you're going to be using such little electricity as it is that it's not gonna it's not gonna be problems can be a concern. Yeah i mean if you bring that low down then the extra cost of the electricity is like you're still going to be paying less. It's very you know you don't realize that time but you learn stuff in college and they were wrong. A it in my environmental studies classes hearing about how gas was gonna be our bridge to a more renewable energy picture right and it was because gas. Electricity is cheap to make gas. Electricity plants are cheap to build and gas has a lot less harmful emissions when you burn it compared to oil and coal right but when i learned that the big problem was get was gas was the distribution losses and how potent greenhouse gas it. Is it really harsh my mellow it made me really sad. It's because there's a lot to like about gas appliances. they're cheap. they performed very well. They're easy to fix. They don't need a lot of maintenance because the combustion is pretty clean. It's just a sad thing. Bob on agree. That gas isn't what they promised us. But it's interesting that that letter also is coming from massachusetts had was a year or two ago. They had like met like blocks of air of some area around allston or something like that blew up and like it's it's dangerous. People died in that. So i mean i don't know i'd kind of be on the entire idea. You know but the infrastructure is old as brain saturday. It's like that makes riskier Jackson love people love their induction cook tops. By the way. I've never tried on. I like to cook yes. So here's the thing interested. Try one sam. Maeve are managing editor right. Her husband is a home chef. He hates it hates the induction like about it. He doesn't think it's as responsive of gas. And i haven't heard anyone say that but there you go. There's somebody jeff. What do you think about this very complicated issue it. Well i think one of the things that he mentioned in his letter was comparing it to his old townhouse. Heat pump which. I mean the seventies and eighties. The heat pumps were horrible in terms of efficiency. If right they yeah. They and they wouldn't work below like forty and then went to electric resistance so good yeah that that's that's good point jeff because those those high efficiency levels do come down somewhat in colder temperatures. There depend in right. I always have the stated. Cop depends on certain conditions and temperatures by dumb. But they you know like. I think it's still true that in general you can buy a much more efficient. He pumped in any other type of system. Right now yeah especially the older older first generation heat pumps were horrible. Yeah i think it's important to remember too that any heating and cooling system begins with a proper system design so if you have a badly designed system there's no equipment that's gonna work well right. And if you're putting the dock work and a noncommissioned spla- space that's a killer too so this is a very complex issue obviously and It's a great question. I there are definitely market forces that are going to prevent why did option of electric heating cooling or electric heating in many places. I think for a long time because gas so much cheaper and we have a lot of in this country. Yeah i security should mean has to be a consideration in all this right. Housing is already expensive enough. So it's like you know. I mean we do. We do need to move in in a more note to a low-carbon future but we also have to consider that people have to live. They can't freeze the right right now. Are already like struggling and made their energy bills more expensive boy. That's rough yeah and especially in an area like massachusetts where the housing stock is probably much older than a country. And it's just gonna cost so much more for them to heat an old leaky on insulated probably house than you know. Jacobs cut his new builds. I like to think that there's a lot of lot smarter people than us working on this issue. I hope that's the case me too. But i don't think there are. I mean not that. We're smart but i worry So brian you wanna talk about our special podcast coming up in the next year. Would you mind filling listeners. And we've had a couple of folk right in our friends on our friend. Jonathan who's actually visited the taunton campus in pre cova times and has written to us a number of times sweet guy. He wants to interview me for whatever reason so And we had another listener. Who wants to interview mike. Gertner mike carol is carol john carroll. Excuse me both very longtime find homebuilding contributors and Both interesting guys so We've gotten some response but you want to fill folks in. Yeah so we were. We were trying to come up with some fun ideas to celebrate fine homebuilding fortieth anniversary and one of the things that we decided we would do is invite some of the podcast listeners. The podcast is just become such an important part of what final billing does and it's just such a just such an excellent way to thanks. Patrick particularly next excellent listeners is really what it's him. Yeah you're doing a great job anyway. He's been such an important part of how we are sharing this building information and so we decided we thought we would invite some of our listeners to come on for an episode to be on the podcast that we would connect them with one of our authors or contributors or anders wherever they want really to interview so if you have someone who has written for final billing ban the podcast or in videos that you think would be You'd like to talk to about building topics. Just shoot us an email and let us know who who you'd like to speak with and Asking what you would ask them to. You'd like to speak with if you want to tell us what you'd like to talk about that. That's great we might be able to in some. You know some other people who are great a Would be great guests for that topic as well but yeah just let us know in. And we're going to try to set that up and do a few of those episodes over the next year. I'm going to make a plug for fine home building magazine and find her dot com. So we'll also be celebrating the fortieth anniversary of the brand in those two places and we have like classic feature articles from early issues of fine home building a plan for next year right brian. Yeah we're gonna we're gonna put one article from the first year fine home building in the corresponding issues of this coming year. Twenty twenty one and were just gonna publish them exactly as they as they appeared. We're not gonna let matt look at them. Find all the code. Violation fasteners is on the public as they were just as a fun way to sort of show where week our beginnings we can have some up. Sure we will have some interesting discussions about whether methods are still relevant or not. And what what has changed over the years Yeah so that's it's one of many things we're doing we're going to have a video tip contest happening online and in a few other fun things. It's funny are one of our art directors. melinda was talking to our more senior art director. Rodney about these old articles and she said two she said you know. There's some something weird going on with these old articles. I don't understand and it's kind of an inside joke for those of us in the magazine business because these magazine paid is were typeset by hand like somebody physically put words on oppress and space them with their. And i and you wouldn't know that unless you've been in the magazine business for i don't know how many decades right four years right yeah. The technology has gone like there are so many things that you know like if you grew up in digital printing you have no idea like what it used to be like in the old days i mean either hot type or paste off where i mean. There's so many things that have come and gone that you know if you've only been in publishing for the last ten or maybe even twenty years you've never even seen that stuff quickly becomes outdated right in the in the in the industry. 'cause you got to make stuff quickly as quickly as possible. Yup what was interesting to reflect on this a little bit. I was getting ready to ready to write a letter for the next issue about anniversary in what we're doing. And it was sort of interesting to reflect on Both both publishing and building and how. I was kind of thinking that you know things were kinda for the first half of our history. Things were a little more stable in for those for the second. Half of our history building has been publishing have evolved so rapidly and there's there's been a lot to keep up with In this in both of these both of these businesses that were in. Yeah well that was a great show. Guys thank you. Unfortunately that's all the time we have today. Thanks to matt. Brian and jeff for joining me and thanks to all of you for listening. Please remember to send us your questions to f hp podcast anton at taunton dot com and please comment or of us. However you're listening and helps other folks signed our podcast folks pleased. Put a review up on the apple. Podcasts store i i love that stuff and it really helps boost the profile of the podcast. And i'm gonna ask you again as i do every so often so if you do that i'd be grateful. Thanks again for listening everybody. Stay safe and happy building.

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#301: Stick vs. Post Frame, Upside-Down Clapboards, and Caulking Cedar Shingles

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#301: Stick vs. Post Frame, Upside-Down Clapboards, and Caulking Cedar Shingles

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Deputy editor has gone everybody. Brian willow find homebuilding editor morning. Jeff rose producer of all things hair. Please email your questions to f- hp podcasts at taunton dot com you can find previous podcasts and check out the show notes at fine homebuilding dot com slash podcast. Well it is a pleasure to see you gentlemen this morning. Thanks for being here. It's going to be here man. How long has it been brian. It's been months. I would say since you've been on the show it's good to have you been a couple of months. You don't invite me what i'm doing here. No i know i know. I have no idea what's going on in the show when you invited me. It's the highlight of my week. Just don't bite. That's the only meeting. He wants to go to. What are you up to not much. Well a whole lot of find one building stuff and gb stuff works works ban Works been great. You know the last few months we pull off the virtual summit which was really a report which you know how guys have chatted about that on on here but Which was both nerve wracking and berry exciting in at the end kind of felt really rewarding like a bent getting really positive feedback about that so that was a that was a big deal and i just you know planning next year about good content for final willing for next year. We did have a you know. As as anyone his hernandes show in the last Few months knows render at this point in so am not working on my house. Like i was back when i was regular on the podcast but we did have a little bit of excitement here in our rental over the past few months as we saw our water bill skyrocket. And we we sort of you know. The i think the first the first month that it that we noticed the increase you know we kinda maybe wondered if it was us. We'll have our habits changed. What what were we doing. and then By the second time it came like that and we just couldn't come up with anything that we were doing differently. We started to get a little bit more curious about it. You know so we called. We talked to the owner company our landlord and got a plumber involved. And after a bunch of of looking around the plumber found in fixing toilet which seemed Seemed like an odd approach to make as you know when you're toilet running and and it wasn't by dumb but at the same time it was fine if he wants to guts toilet great So you know he did that and then after being under the house once he. I guess found another access during got to look at another place underneath a house and found don elite So this was between the meter and like the house right. Yeah yes of water gushing for all that time. I bet that made quite a mess in their houses. I mean it would have made a lot of mud. The ratings houses are built. Their district raised off the ground. You know the china crawlspace. It's basically you know blocks. You know in and crumbling What was once maybe across base in now is just crumbling. And so it's like there's a just a house up on piers essentially you know and so probably meet a lot of mud. But i'm sure just just dried. I would imagine everything's find out there. I love that the plumber found like a state secret room under your house. Then imagine when they're a little kid right and like there's all kinds of treasures in there you imagine. I'm sure yeah well. It was interesting process to me. Because i've never had Well it's been a long time since i've lived somewhere with municipal water and sewer so plumbing issues were always. You know confined to You are your own value on septic. You are paying anything as you went so he didn't know whether you know there were. You would not like that. You wouldn't identify by your bill. You know you'd have to. You'd have to notice their observation or a problem or something to know that there was a situation like fat so it was. It was just an interesting process to be your own went from what to what like what. How much money are we talking about. And are you on the hook for it. It went up. almost. I'd say almost fifty percent. I think we're averaging somewhere around sixty dollars a month. And that includes Sewer sewer and it was. It was pushing ninety dollars a month in that range so it went up it went up significantly. And you know. We still haven't gotten the next bill yet so we're not. We were pretty sure. This has got to the ed by will know for sure when we get the when we get the next bill yes of course we have a great land or not only the on top of things but you know he said right away. You know this this If we discovered this is wrong with the house reimburse you for the cool who have a good landlord and someone is not a jerk. That is a wonderful thing. Yeah are we we really because we We rented this house from out of state and kinda unseen and so we really feel like we lucked out when their land argued takes care of business. I think it's karma dude. I don't think it's taboo. Matt what are you doing in your house apart. Not really what have been doing mostly working on my new batch of compost very exciting stuff. Otherwise not really a nothing you just gotta shredding up leaves like last year. I was just gathering up leaves. You know making big piles this year. I'm making sure to mix in a good amount of grass. And i'm shredding the heck out of the leaves i've got like a a leaf vacuum that has shredder in in it so it just sort of like the stuff and Yeah like immediately within like two days. I would say the temperature was up until like one forty five which is pretty good. I love composting. Nerds like monitoring the temperature in your content of their competition is fantastic are you. Are you watering during dry times. Yes so i. I started out probably added only about maybe twenty gallons of water to it and then it is rained pretty much almost every expense. So yeah so. Do you have like a little ledger. That you're recording your temperature. Now what have you know. And my accel stopped working on my personal computers. So i can't can't log it that way to get google sheet or whatever there's gotta be some online service for like. Oh yeah income monitor that you can stick in there with the connected to a dashboard on your smartphone. That definitely need an app for the compost monitoring. You don't have that you're not serious about compost any interest it's it's fascinating to me. How how people get into stuff. And i think that's really cool that you're you're making good compost because you can really boost its efficiency right how quickly it breaks down in his useful for your garden. Yeah i mean because last year or the last batch that i did really for the first probably nine months at sat there and did very little and then i just at because i had taken advice from one thing from a tedtalk and that turned out to not be the greatest scaffold it into me so then i had taken a composting class near the beginning of the the the whole sort of like lockdown corona virus times and. They were like no no no. Don't do that they were. They gave me different advice. And i took that and immediately the stuff. Pretty much turned dirt. It's a matter of a few months. I had to turn it like every few days or something like that to keep But it was great and then all authors such a. It's it's a really stupid hobby because it's a lot it's not. It's a lot of work and at the end of the day. I'm probably saved myself. Twenty bucks it's good for the planet dude. That's you know. That's the way the individual guard. Yeah actually the first batch ended up putting around trees because we have all these trees that are really sprawl out a lot and make it hard to mow around them. And so. I ended up just doing that to create flowerbeds there and so it didn't even go into garden but so we we buy our compost. But the truth is you don't really know what you're getting. You don't know that the person who's compost. You're getting like put a bunch of pesticides or fertilizer. On on the landscape. You know so. The there's a risk there and inevitably find tons of like plastic bags in it that you have to pull out there and you know the other stuff i get usually has little shards of glass. Not that will cut you like. They're they seem to be a little rounded but there's always like it seems like hundreds of them but how they gets in there. I don't know i don't know either. It's what you've been doing. You've been monitoring your compost. I have not have been adding to it. But i haven't been monitoring is you're going to have no success there. I'm sure he's still painting. Edgy are you out out of the painting out of the painting season. It's been raining since since we'll ask. We spoke but the no blowing leaves and exciting things like that. Well it is good to take advantage of the minimal hours of daylight You know now. it's getting dark. It seems here about four fifteen which is tough on my psyche. But we're going the other way soon before we get before you too far away from the idea of monitoring. I think it's worth mentioning that we had a piece. We have a piece in the current issue of This landing in mailboxes. Well by the time people listening to this is probably be week or two since they're getting the issue but Bend bogey wrote. In building matters about how they're monitoring their walls emily's For different metrics moisture and temperature and all these different types of things with these omniscience monitors hearing a lot about getting a lot of feedback about that idea in interest in it and so. He does exactly that he sticks. Had these these monitors in wall wall of ben in again colbert up in maine. They've talked about the ibs beer couple of places. Maybe i'll maybe they talked about it in the summit action i think treason tation. Yeah because they talked about doubles the walls stairs on shirley mentioned it. But they're doing exactly what. I mentioned a maverick also taking these monitors in their walls and getting real time. Data on dash or on your computer and it just seems like such a just seems like such a smart thing to do When when we build sort of these you know high efficiency but also high risk wallace outlays. Yeah and this stuff is not expensive rate and you the it lasts along. The batteries lasts for a year or two right and they last a long time. I think they have. They've had some that. They have exceeded expectations. You know i'd manufacturer gives an expectation but than they that the sensors exceeded And they get they get lots of great information you pay subscription and then you can monitor monitor law so it's a it's a it's a really need. I did something i expect. We'll see we'll see. I don't think i want to know what's going on walls camera traps for mason. Mind i think honest to god. That's what i need to. I was thinking of getting like a gain. Kim to watch where they go in the basement. Right wait a minute. Mad your cast. They're failing they bring more animals in. I think they love to like they wanna let you know that they got something like bring rabbits they bring in everything that you can possibly imagine. Yes that yeah. You think they're gonna care things out and instead. You're chasing the chipmunk around exactly. They want playmates. They they don't want pray and they want some some companions right. Yeah well we have the cat doors the other day. There was a not a baby. A young possum in my breezeway and the cat was just sitting there looking at it and it looked at me like you're going to do anything about this job. I think i would be terrified of a possum baby or otherwise. They're they're kind of cute actually and they're good they're eat tick supposedly so they're a good thing to have around okay so with it's usually with some degree of trepidation. I opened an e mail from our editorial advisor. Mike girton 'cause usually it's something he's calling us on. So i'm just gonna launch right into it here first off patrick. I'm astounded that you've had a change of heart about the viability of pws permanent would foundations even for less than one hundred year buildings after your previous mentions pw apps on the podcast and your comments to the effect. This is a bad idea. I figured it would be hard to ever change your thinking. You mentioned that. The southern pine installation guide was what the i. r. c. section is based on. It's not the code has a prescriptive section option and a reference standard option for designing and building. Pws the american wood council design specification for pw ass which is called permanent would foundation design specification the southern pine council guide would need to be presented to the local building code official for approval before following it. Just make sure you put a correction in the show notes. It's hard to keep all that guides and standards and specifications straight. Well sorry about that. Mike but i do appreciate your keeping an eye on us here. So those folks who want to build a permanent would foundation. You're going to need tape. Run it by your code official if you wanna use the southern pine council guide brian. What's your thoughts on permanent. Would foundations a. I might have opinions if i if i was actually seeing them built sort of. I seems like something that we're talking. You know as retard has gotten a little bit spotlight mainly but at the same time. I don't see anyone building. Yeah i know. And i do think there's reason to know about and understand different types of foundations from you know from the climate impact of of the on the concrete we're using to the site disruption that You know any kind of doug foundation significantly foundation can cause like there's reasons to know about different types of foundations maybe foundations maybe alternatives to concrete. That seemed to be coming online more and more pre cast there's pre cast acrylic panels that are designed as foundations now fiberglass unit and. We'll all be all these different ideas and problem solving things. You know but i i tend to as i think we all do to some degree at at doing this work. We have to focus mostly on what's getting done. The most input most tension towards that so the present the alternatives as most in in south carolina in charleston specifically is it is it peers or raised crawlspaces slab on grade or is it all these things. Well there's there's lots of different things that happen down here depending on where the where the homes are so once you get away from the you know the low country high water table marshy kind of landscape Is there anywhere in south carolina. Seven thirty you'll start to see like you'll start to see slabs in traditional And more common across bases you know. here Which these raise much higher off the ground and so in certain areas a lot of There's a lot of pilots being used. Like you know. Driven into the driven into the soils and then has be built on those places where they were more stable. Soils you see a lot of Company block here's being built really really big. Unit housing units being built on concrete block. Here's and then in in light commercial in commercial construction does not support concrete huge huge amounts of massive amount of rebar and poured concrete. And there's a lot of acting instruction happening right now is fascinating to watch it happen. You're in. I'm mentioned it before a unique place in the fact that you have a number of conditions where you are Seismic concerns hurricanes high water table like. Yeah i'm sure challenging place for people to build yet what what foundation is right and you know you obviously can like even even determine how to handle crawlspace if you can do it. You can't really do a condition across face here because the flooding concerns in you know you're not gonna let something that's likely to see water at some point so When there are crawlspaces rented cross aces. I'm so lot lots of different foundation types happening out here so a few weeks back. We had a discussion about how to make smoke for tracking down air leaks. Someone wrote in wanting to know like they don't wanna use cigarettes or in or whatever. They want to stick their house. But so we heard from a number of people with suggestions this is from doug on the subject smoke sources you might want to consider special effects fog. Irs professional units can cost hundreds but inexpensive party fibers can be found for around forty bucks. You still have to buy juice juice but one gallon will go a long way if you can find an old mole. Richardson fog or it would be even better. These use a manual pumps once heated. It can be unplugged and carry it around. They were originally designed as insect fog. There's but have been in use in theater and film since the nineteen sixty s. How the heck do you think you get the insecticide out of that before. You turned it into your league. What's hat two birds one stone roaches and track down. Your air leaks. Nook asked him matt's chemistry experiment. Do you know what this guy's talking about matt. you suggested. Ammonia what hydrochloric acid. That seems safe as to matt's chemistry experiment for thirty years my wife was in the annual production of christmas carol at the omaha community playhouse for a scene at the crash at house they are supposed to turn out the plum pudding and when the lid is removed comment on the great deal of steam to create this team they relied on a longtime cast member. Who is a chemistry professor. His solution was as matt described when the cast was supposed to be commenting on the wonderful aroma of the plum pudding. They were in fact enjoying the aroma of ammonia. Keep up the good info and stay healthy. Doug yeah yeah. I have no idea what it smells like. I can't imagine it's good despite. Melania is terrible. Yeah it turns into the chloride or something like that. But i'm not the chemist that's why we've theatrical pretty regularly in his building investigations and he recently did some testing of roof ending with Logger where he stuck the fog or at the at the eaves to see how effective the refunding was being an in a number of different Setups in a number of different situation. North and south facing rooks and he published those results. Gpa if anyone's interested in in that particular topic but i think he is wagner combined with the blower darn and whatnot as well. It makes sense if you can see air. It seems better than not being able to see air. Somebody else suggested dry ice which is an interesting thing to consider but my experience with dr isis. It's a little dangerous. I'm not a smoker. But it sounds like a good opportunity to get a good cigar and saying directed. Send the family. You know away for a few hours and stink up the house. This comes from john md. I listened to a recent few episodes listener questions regarding rehabbing windows. Most of your listeners could handle using sas replacement products. I did about twenty five double hung windows with jeld wen and the frame openings cover a wide range of sizes double-glazing simulated divided lights aluminum clad exterior and primed wooden interior. That really weather tight. But best of all i did not lose any size of the opening and they have a great appearance. I got nearly all the units during frequent sales at home depot enjoyed the show. Keep up the good work. Well that is a great suggestion. So what he's describing. Is you take out the old sash. And you put these new balance systems in the existing window frame and then new sash sachar made either two standard sizes or you can have them a custom sizes. It obviously takes longer to have the custom sizes made in a cost a little more about It's a great solution. You don't have to deal with the lead paint. Which i think is worthy of consideration for that reason alone yet. If you combine that with some air sealing maybe popping the trim off doing smear sailing around the windows you're gonna get quite an improvement incompetent efficiency. We gotta get to some questions right here. We go so. This is from ben from columbus ohio. I f sb podcast. I finally got to be building. The building of my dreams it will function as a shed in woodshop and the woodshop being heated and cooled in the shed area being essentially an attached garage. I'm looking to make the shot portion of the building as energy efficient from a heating and cooling perspective as possible. I have a basic design down. But i'm trying to decide between stick frame and post frame construction. I initially was considering stick frame on poured slab foundation or using double thickness two four walls for added insulation recently. However i've read that post frame can actually be more energy efficient due to less breaks in the insulation and while i can see that being the case with an unfinished interior. If i'm drawing dry walling inside. I need to put boards to attach to. Won't i if i were building a similar structure. Would you go with stick frame building if you were building a similar shock. She would you go a stick frame or slab foundation on a slab foundation or post frame building and an insulated poured floor or something else building. Dimensions will be thirty by fifty with a nine foot ceiling. The shop will be thirty by thirty in the shed will be twenty thirty minus the wall thickness. Obviously thanks ben from columbus ohio. Thanks ben what would you guys do you go. I jeff based on the recent Pro talk i would definitely look into the post frame. Kyle stumping horst. Who's an older and the midwest are in. Our buildings was at michigan is he an illinois illinois and why do you say that jeff It just it sounded fascinating sounded like he. You can get a lot of lot of building for the buck. How about you man. What do you think about this yet. I would go for postering initially thinking you know some of those advantages having those much bigger installation. Cavities depends on. There's all kinds of trade offs. There are so the kind of installation that you can use to actually take advantage of. That may not be something you could do on your own. I mean maybe using some kind of rigid either fomer goo tech's or something that comes in big enough sheets to be able to get over that otherwise you're going to be putting gertz both on the inside and outside for your exterior cladding. But then i was thinking like the building size that he has thirty by fifty. I don't even know that you would be able to do that. Stick frame and have enough wall bracing for that building to really stand up. I don't know without knowing what his plans are. Well you know like you need a certain amount of bracing for those walls you know to be able to resist wind and everything else. You're going to see them right. I mean you're going to see that but that's still again without knowing exactly what the rest of the plan is you know. He says he has a basic design down. But it doesn't it. Sounds like what he has is like a like a rough dimensions like that's not really a designing. Well we you know. There's maybe more that we don't know. Well that's the thing. I i so i i don't know that stick framing. This would even necessarily be possible. You know but the idea that the post frame building seems like a great idea especially for a shop but I i really don't know. What do you think ryan i. I'm curious why he thinks there will be breaks the installation and a double sidewall because the point of a double said wallace to eliminate those breaks so yes each. You'd have a little bit less. Its relation but that stuck out to me. As if i'm not understanding something about his what he's thinking or he's not understanding a double steph wall simply and how it works. I mean but really make this decision. I think it's he's going to have to look at it. He's gonna have to do a comparison of you know Costs are value and then like building techniques in like. What does he feel comfortable. They'll that's important. You know with his skills. Everybody feels comfortable building. And then look at the you know installations one thing but look at the potential of each or air sailing in the difficulty of getting that done and then kind of you know. If it were me i would start with the target for for our value for air sealing and then i work kind of kind of look at the options from there including those other factors You know. I think that's that's a. It's sort of going to be a kind of a personal decision. There's a way get it done both ways to be thermally efficient and You know airtight. You know so i think i think if he can figure out each of those ways and then look at costs skills in time in that kind of thing that he can make a good call. I have a little experience in this subject area. Having build a post frame building for myself. And i can tell you the reason i did. It was because it uses a ton of less ton less concrete and concrete is expensive. So all i had to do was poor peers. Instead of a thick and dead slab or frost stemware. Or what have you and it saved yards and yards of concrete. So that's that's why. I did it and what patrick reminding so. I have a four inch slab with two inches of xps under it. It's poured around the concrete piers that hold up the post frame and its unfinished. It's just bare concrete So that uses concrete but not nearly as much as pouring thick and dead slab a stem wall. Especially i did the math and it saved me a lot of money. It's harder to air seal and finish off a post frame building that it is a stud wall tell you. I've spent many many many hours of my life with can spray foam ceiling around the post and girts and the recycled pollyanna insulation. That i used to insulate the shell. I put horizontal gertz and put an inch and a half of insulation between them. And then i put another inch and a half on the backside and If i wanted to spend a few hundred dollars. I could have bought some fiberglass insulation and put even more insulation in there but it seems unnecessary given the What i imagine would be occasional use of my building but now it turns out amusing at fifty sixty hours a week as my office. So you know anytime you build something and you have expectations how you're going to use it That can change. Yeah that's a. That's a good point patrick. Because he didn't say for sure. I think i was on the podcast. We talked about someone who was going to be using the converting the garage to shop and they were going to be heating it occasionally in a There's kind of. I would put different effort towards of space that i was going to heat or in cool like for a cage of us verses a space that i was going to be heating co continuously totally and you can buy a lot of energy for The cost of upgrades that you won't ever realize the savings rate you you. You don't use the space enough to for those energy improvements to make a difference right so that i don't think we helped him at all. Figure it out so ben. If i had to do it again. I would really seriously consider a frost protected thickened edge slab foundation and build normal stud walls. They go faster. you know. you're not. You're not raising like twelve or sixteen foot. Six by six and i had some help from good friends. But if you're building this exclusive by yourself the parts for a post frame building pretty freaking big you've ever. That's actually so the question by doing personally. That's i would probably stick frame Because i have to learn something new to learn how to build the post frame building for this one project one thing that was an unanticipated benefit. A building a post frame building is the gertz making ideal ladder. See you can get around the building pretty easily on sturdy structures that because it's part of the system you know versus. You can't climb studs i can't i mean you can. Also if he's just building stick framing the. There's no reason you can't just do exterior insulation. If he's worried about thermal bridging as lilly you're going to be able to get plenty of installation on that you don't need to do double stud walls yet. You will always with exterior installations. Another great option and columbus is a pretty mild climate. Right so it is. Yeah you know. I mean you could totally overdo this. I would say ben. This comes from aaron in vermont. Hello hp podcast crew. Greetings from vermont. I'm a carpenter. I worked for our family business doing mostly interior remodeling small additions custom cabinets. retile etcetera. Our current project is converting the twenty four by forty attic of seventeen. Seventy five norwich vermont home into a master bedroom suite. It has been a wonderful project and very interesting for sure. We changed the window layout in the attic. So we needed to gable ends when ripping off the old clobbered and the hundred plus year old dead flies beneath them. I noticed something. I had never seen before. Most of the clouds were not bevelled. I'm not sure of the age. But i would venture somewhere in the eighteen hundreds but the ones that are were bevelled were installed with the thick side up as pictured. That was the first for. I hope you find this as amusing as i did. Include some photos of the renovation for your curiosity to satisfy your energy curiosity voters that we did a double stud wall with four inches of closed cell phone that encapsulates the outermost framing to stop thermal bridging. We also reframed the roof slash cathedral ceiling we went with seventies inches of closed cell. Right against the sheathing. The house has standing seam metal roof in. This seemed like a good candidate for a hot roof also pictured the bathroom vanity is made from white oak that we milk from original framing members removed from the attic. Keep up the good. Work is every friday. And i've enjoyed the extra content recently also. Thanks aaron that's very nice. Did you guys see the space. It's amazing oh my gosh. Vanity is beautiful love when people repurpose stuff that came out of an old house. Yeah have you guys were. Have you ever seen that before. No i had not have you. I've seen not clever at aren't bevelled. Enter their happens that when they're does lap siding material right lap siding. But it's not you know. So when clapboards got their name right it was. It was a carpenter or a home steadier with the fro hand splitting logs into siding. So i don't think they were bevelled or whatever they were just the whatever the grain in that particular part of the log right yeah. It's far as them like putting the thick side under the coverage of the next layer. I've never seen that but it's kind of cool. Yeah wonder why they did that. I don't have any idea. It's still at the flies in apparently jeff. Have you seen this in your travels Being the history buff. You aren't no no. I haven't but you know like you said it's like they were originally hand split so you know there was a natural to them because of the outside the Being larger. But i've never seen it applied upside down. That's wacky too. So those of you who were outside of new england and art familiar with the tail but like clap is because the boards were clapping together as they were splitting them. What this fro- which is like a l shaped cutting tool with a handle on it and use it the pri- the board apart. It looks like a horrible work. I'm glad we've gotten saw mill since. Then have you ever split. Major shingles matt for your. You know your the kind of person who might be intended to do this. I have been tempted to do it. I have looked at buying a fro. Because i've i've watched videos of people making their own like cedar shakes shingles and it does look pretty nice. It looks pretty fun and the angle did it for a shed project. If i remember right. He's the other person i know who might be tempted to do. Accept good evening. My fellow fine humbling enthusiasts. I've listened to all the available f. hp podcasts and i look forward to listening each week. I consider f hp to be the best overall resources for learning and gathering information to bolster mike continuing education in the industry. I'm self employed while. I do work with other contractors from time to time i do not typically have the opportunity for ongoing and debate about the sorts of things. You covering the podcast or even my work. In general the vast majority of my learning has been from books magazines and videos. Three cheers for youtube university. Thank you so much for the hard work. You all put into making the magazine. Such a valuable resource and a platform to meet the thought leaders of the industry by. That's high praise I recently completed a project outside of philadelphia. Pa that included replacing to sliding glass doors and the surrounding shingles the inside. Corners are trimmed with one and a quarter by one quarter cedar. I left expansion gaps between the shingles and the inside corner trim and doors as per the recommendations from the c. s. be the cedar shake and shingle bureau. Should i call this gap. It would be easy enough on the corner boards but the fiber glass doors have a u. profile on the side of the casing that would make for a cock joint that is very ugly and probably too thick to function properly anyway. The rough openings are flashed with pro soco fast flash approximately three to four inches out into the field. And the nail fins were set in a bid of fast flash to and i got another layer on top after installation. There is a thirty pound tar. Paper layer behind the shingles that overlaps the fast flash up to the doors. The inside corners have galvanized steel flashing running vertically up the corner approximately four inches on each side. Which is then overlapped by the tar paper the doors had drip caps that extend about a quarter inch beyond the edge of the doors. The old installation flashing details were laughably horrible but there was only a small amount of rot in the corner of the doors after thirty plus years. I believe this resulted from the emission of the sill pans slash flashing and the deterioration of the door frames to the point of failure. The old details included caulk that was caked into the joints in question. I think it looks better without the cock. And i can't decide if it's better to have the drawing potential from an open joint or try to keep the water out with cock the guys from unbuilt. It seemed to think that face he'll systems aren't a good idea. Any advice you can give would be much appreciated. I haven't found any official looking recommendations yet on the web. Let me know if you need any more information pictures etc. Best regards steve. So what's unbuilding anyone. That's that the podcast that basic jake burton and peter. Joos do sorry guys. It's always obviously good because those are three pretty smart people with lots of good information and so when they talk about face seal system. What what they're talking about to my understanding is the difference when you're typically In the context of windows. And it's the difference between really one piece of tape and that's the tape at the bottom of the window. Most people are installing windows in. They're not taping the bottom they're allowing for drainage at the bottom you know windows aren't typically installed on a slope slope sill and so Take the bottom of the window would actually prevent that. From drying coincidentally jay gruden published an article on gb a an any final right about european windows where he does a face deal system so and he. He has reasons for why he thinks. It's it's you know it's it's okay to do and and a lot of people that that sort of a it's an interesting discussion to have because a lot of people kind of think that job the likelihood of of water getting down there draining out is pretty slim and that is long as the tape is they re permeable and in that area can drive at that. It's not a big deal to take the box but anyone that's different. I think that's that's something different than what we're talking about here. Which is a door and which the slash very well. It sounds like. He's got all the right things there. Yeah and so. He's just questioning whether or not to talk between the trim the designing and i'm gonna i'm gonna answer. No patrick leave it alone. Let it looked good. You've done a great job installing these doors and flashing them. Do you think there's ever a reason to like kach. Trim to siding heap out water. Is that the right practice ever. I'm sure with some citing systems. Sure but with what he's got here. I don't think so. Yeah if you have east or whatever they rely on sealants right and maybe there's others i don't know but yeah it's about the flashing. Yeah yeah. I mean as long as the bulk water's not getting in there and you know wedding his sheathing and like getting down to the sale. And making a mess you know. I mean if everything else has flashed correctly. I don't think he has much of a problem. Playing devil's advocate the last installation with the kate. Caulk last thirty plus years. So there you go yeah. This would be a different thing if you're dealing with a going back to like clyburn citing because you want to do something to seal those ends but i mean we're talking about the shakes or shingles are the long reign is what's in that corner the the grain that's gonna wake up is top and bottom so i think just looks like heck like e can't do that right. Let's like shingles are beautiful. Don't screw up that way. Yeah actually i went onto the. What is it the western cedar. Whatever their thing is you know for their installation guides. And they recommend at least with horizontal some sort of like lap siding that you should talk those cock around all trim and everything and then when you look at their photo gallery of all these houses there all these supermodern don't have any of those additional details. Yeah there's like not. A drop of cocktail found anywhere. So it's like it's like you're going to talk about this stuff. Show is what it ends up looking like. Because i bet it looks like hell because they also tell you. Don't use clear cox. So that's actually good bye met with with with you know commodity products you might have to go to something like the cedar shingle manufacturers association for details. But like you were talking about five ish. Six men from hardy or some other manufactured product their sections probably tell you whether or not they want you to call their product to the trend. In you know you can. You can definitely look there guidance on that yeah and i was being somewhat glib but there are definitely times when manufacturers want you to talk trim to you know to the siding and certainly brick cladding rely on you know. See joints to be water resistant. You know it's and it can be done well. Yeah aspen bogey. He'll tell you all about this comes from john in cincinnati. Hey f h podcasters. Big fan big fan here. My house has a late. Eighteen hundreds two story carriage house constructed triple i wide brick. The first floor is used as a garage and the second floor appears to have been occupied at some point. It has half inch thick coats of plaster and wallpaper on the bricks. Previous owner stripped a second floor removing the plaster installing new windows and installing new sub floor. I'd like to finish that space into a guest department for when the inlaws visit and possibly ran out as a short term rental. I'm trying to determine the best approach to air sealing and insulating the interior space is about five hundred square feet with roughly twenty twenty-five foot footprint. I definitely want to insult the floor to provide noise and temperature separation from the garage and the attic structure as a shed style roof or i can put plenty of insulation. But i'm not sure how to handle the walls. I plan on installing a wood. Burning stove mini split h fax system. Since i don't intend to heat it all winter. I'm leaning towards not insulating. The walls to allow the bricks to dry out as initially designed to be in. Bill is that a recipe for the space being miserably uncomfortable and the colder slash hottest months. We're in climate zone for on the edge of zone five cents. It's a small accessory space. I don't want to break the limited budget by over engineering. A solution any tips on how to improve comfort without introducing water slash moisture. Problems photos are attached john. Did you see this cool little space. Yeah yeah it's it's so it's a little brick square right with a low slope roof on top with some parapet very attractive so before we talk about the walls. And i think i think he you know he mentioned s yelling at the beginning so so i think he's onto this but super important to air seal floor between the garage and living space not just for efficiency reasons but for help carbon monoxide right. Yeah and and stuck might store. Your garage is not letting that all be kind of stack effect pulling all that juice up into your house. Yes so that. That's something that i was worth pointing out i'm really. I'm glad that he knew the issue that he faced with brick walls our threshold brick walls and and the need to consider. What have you changed the walls. If you don't that he from inside the house keep them warm through the winter. So what happens in a nutshell brian. Who the been that if you if you insulate the interior and you keep you know. Keep that walls from getting warm by your from your heating system than the brick walls are subject to freeze and thaw cycles if the brick wall her taking on a lot of moisture before those freezing bows cycles that can do considerable damage to the walls. Tha- brick starts falling. Which means that they start breaking. They falling back into mortar. Joints will start will fail sooner from the freed freeze embossed cycles. Although we mortar joints are the you know are the maintenance of wildlife that so. That's not the not want to automate that. You have to you have to do it. You're gonna have to eventually anyway. You know what i've read quite a bit about. This holiday is a great article on this on green billion visor and unfortunately even even after all i've read about it. I don't feel like i have a good answer if he were but i do know that if he were in a colder climate he'd have more cause for concern being in kinds of four on the border of climate zone. Five it's much. He's in a much less risky climate zone for this. And i i always recommended people and gb whenever this came in the form. I always be great if you could find a local professional experience in a and so i'll give that advice here. Although i've you feel like you could probably relate these walls without concern so a safer approach as you alluded to. Brian is to enslave from the outside right. Because then the bricks are staying warmer. And you've eliminated that yeah. Beautiful brick houses ainsley from the outside and as the v. point. Yeah yeah it is a lot less risky to do it on the outside. But i mean if we're talking about a space that's never been heated and those walls are still in good. I mean the there may not really be any freeze thaw concern so that you wouldn't really have a risk to insulating on the inside with that and if he's eating it at all you know it even with insulation there's gonna be more heat passing through the walls than there has been historically so i'm gonna say leave the brick alone and just let it be beautiful. It looks fantastic. And it's gonna be really cool element of that finish space and for an a space. That's getting occasional use like heated a little more. Get a cute little woodstove. What do you think jeff. yeah Yeah i was definitely leaning towards not insulating leaving that brick exposed in the buildings got no overhang. So it's going to get any. Yeah yeah yeah. That's a good point. I've learned that Masonry walls like this are very air leaky. I did not realize that. But actually a ton of air leaks occur through the mortar joints. And i guess that's not surprising if you think about it but it struck me as unusual the first time i heard it but that is definitely a a thing arab for anyone who doesn't know this is a mass is considered a mass wall and mass walls. Behave differently than you know. Wood framed walls which you know most billers are are common are comfortable with in used to working on. The big difference is that we try to keep you do everything we can to keep. Water out of the stick frame wall and amass wall is is meant to be able to take on water and dry it gets wet and then it dries out dries out over and over and over again so all right so i think we all agree or no. Are we going to insulate these walls. I don't think it's worth it for the time that it's going to be used. And you know. I mean especially if it's just you know for occasional weekends for for the in laws and some airbnb. Yeah you don't want them to be too comfortable anyway. Yeah exactly otherwise. You're going to have to get really uncomfortable mattress. I think it would really up the space. I mean that. Is you know a simple buildings. You have to take the architectural elements. You're given and celebrate them and you know this is what this building is i. I think it'd would be a crime to cover it all up. Yeah looks cool so brian. I'd like to take a little time to talk about the find him building fortieth anniversary. And do you want to tell us what we're what we're doing because i'd like to know sure so Next year is the fortieth anniversary of vinyl. So so are let's see march issue will be the actually fortieth anniversary issue. We published our first in nineteen ninety-one on that on that schedule and so two years and your we haven't celebrated in anniversary since our twenty fifth and with the twenty fifth we just did a knockout twenty fifth anniversary issues like exercise issue with with additional articles of celebrating the anniversary. And that was that was before we got. We were in the digital age related to anything digitally ford so we. We decided that we should do some fun. Stuff to celebrate forty and and you know we just decided that we would spread out over the course of the year. So the the coming issue february march issue a final billing will be sort of kickoff for that and we're going to save his in that issue particularly to sort of celebrate that the anniversary we have a couple of we have an interview with the founding managing editor of mobility the first ever higher at fine home building was that a mike lynch failed cool who that by newly longtime in his continued to be a journalist in this subject area. He's he's He wrote in his updated. The renovation book which is what which is a seller in this category and is on its fifth Fifth revision of that book that came out at the years ago. It's a canonical taxed in the business We have my garden writing a little bit. About what what Building media has meant to know his career into the to the industry You other things. We're going to have chuck miller pick some of his favourite tips ever from the kentucky illustrated as edited an illustrated tips. Since the first issue. And he's still doing it. And if you other things then we're going to you know a mind. We're gonna do some fun stuff. We're gonna have a video contests where people are going to their. Their best demonstration demonstrations of their favorite billing chips in video form to us. And we're gonna richard winner there. The surprises for that. And patrick is going to invite be. The announcement of this. Patrick is going to invite podcast listeners. To send in a an email and let us know who if they come on the podcasts through they would like to interview. And we're gonna we're gonna pick some people who give so just kind of tell us who you like interview and y. You don't spend a whole lot of time on this but we're going to pick where we think might be some of the most interesting interviews organic bite that listener and the personnel like to interview onto the onto the show and let them interview their favorite fine homebuilding arthur oreo illustrator or ended her or even a favourite. Maybe the person wanna to learn from or have have a project that they think it helped with and we're going to do that a few times throughout the year. That sounds like so much fun. I can't wait some fun stuff. And we're gonna regret it after the year Hopefully we'll be having an in person summit next year we'll see how that goes And if we do have a special kind of Celebrate oria band at the summit so lots of good stuff in. There's there's still a few things in the works that they were hoping to pull off For the decelerate anniversary then. I can't say i don't want to say anything about because there. They're maybe long shots but were were given it our best effort. I wonder if the people who founded the brand could have imagined that forty years later we would be celebrating this anniversary It's it was pretty forward thinking. Move on their part and It must have been a somewhat scary to to to launch. A you know a print product in this in this channel and By all measures it's been an important thing. Yeah well here's a little teaser from the interview which is just interesting story Whole roman is the founder of paul general our the founders of the company was the founding editor of find woodworking magazine and after few years. So the did they launch seventy-five that sounds right. So after a few years of five woodworking they decided you know they of On this need for a similar publication for the building and Paul put an ad for a woodworking editor in woodworking and mike litchfield responded to it and though he did he wasn't the the caliber of worker that would would be able to come down to connecticut and speak knowledgeably. paul roman. he went for it anyway and he did. He did have billy's in already had started in the in built in journalism and Serendipitous or coincidentally or whatever the right adjective is The ad was actually just kind of Efficient scheme to get some for all talk to some people and that was actually for the first editor of job at finally just happened. That mike with homebuilding knowledge responded to that added fine woodworking and and. That's what all was looking for in. Paul told at the end of the interview of gave might offer might job. Wow that's cool so those of you out there who listened to the podcast and you want to interview someone associated in the fine home building circle of friends. Please rate in with your suggestion and what you want to talk about. And we'll go through those. And i think that's going to be an awesome exercise. So i'm an interview brian. People have heard plenty from me so we didn't talk about it brian earlier in the show but i want to bring it up so you bought a motorcycle. Astronaut having one for a while and i wondered if that was motivated at least partially. Because you don't have a house to work on so you need to take something else apart and work on it. Well you know. Interestingly that wasn't what. I was thinking when i bought the motorcycle i had. I had sold my motorcycle when we moved to charleston. Because i was using it and i don't have a great place to start and thought like if i had to put it in and i was using his much find i would have kept it but the the two things combined needed decided to to sell it animated about a year and almost immediately like i came home from delivering the motorcycle to the person who bought it and saw the empty space where it had been sitting in os immediately like you're inserted shopping for motorbikes. Hold myself offer out almost year before. I finally pulled the trigger again and this time. What happened was as soon as i got the motorcycle home and i started to think about what i was going to do to it. And i've never had that inclination my life because i was working. I have so think you're absolutely right tactic. i've already. I've already know already know what we're going to start to do to this motorcycle so it might just be me getting a little bit restless and looking for that kind of a hands on project. I can't wait to see you dressed up as captain america on your chopper around charleston south carolina. That is going to be fantastic. And if you need your billy just give me a call. And i'll get a bike and we'll you know martin some parade well. Unfortunately that is all the time we have today. Thanks to brian. Matt and jeff for joining me. Thanks to all of you for listening. Please comment or of us. However you're listening to the fine homebuilding podcasts. That helps other folks find it. Stay safe everybody. Happy building and keep pratt alive.

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#309: Flying Saucers, Rainscreen Walls, and Barndominiums

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#309: Flying Saucers, Rainscreen Walls, and Barndominiums

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See it all at protected. Products dot com. You know just just just taking questions from people in hearing what they call it they call it a a water barrier they call it an air barrier. They call it a vapor barrier. They call it all these. You know just security so misunderstood what what that product is. Welcome to the fine homebuilding podcast. Our weekly discussion of building remodeling a design topics aimed at anybody cares deeply about the craft and science working on houses. This is senior editor patron mccomb. Today i'm joined by fine home building editor brian. Ponta ila marty padgett. Brian's good to have you here. Thanks matt matt. No him deputy editor find building. How's it going good to see man could see two men and our producer. Jeff rose hi there. We make really hard on these frigging podcast. I hope you. I hope you'll appreciate him. Well we were just I'll make a little little promo but we were just talking before we started recording. About how hard jets can have to work during the international builders show this year because we will be recording a podcast. We'll be releasing a podcast for five straight days Around the show it's going to be virtual show so Obviously it won't be a person this year in. Hopefully it'll be as interesting as being there in person But if you can't make it you know You know you can't give up your days to spend Surfing the the builders show that you can check in with our par for those five days in february and we're going to update you each day on what we've seen and heard and listen clear. The has been interesting. It sounds like fun. It's not as good as actually being in there and touching the stuff but it's going to be pretty cool. Yeah so what you guys been doing around the house projects. Brian know that nice. Av av changes the changes. The filter in the return air. I don't even get to do that. Lived in a house with forced air heated so when she out there was a or air conditioning and she when she out filter that needed to be changed she really stepped up and took responsibility on and she always keeps stocked with filters and changes that regularly. So i'm not even doing any maintenance. She changing those. I think i think probably every couple months that's awesome. Yeah yeah it's crazy. How quickly those things get dirty and not you know. I only have a little air filter thing and you know if i open that once a month it would be a miracle but every time i open it's disgusting. Yeah it's really. I mean it's it's it's one of the things that we can do to help with. Indoor air quality keep keeps you know keep those in an existing within an existing system is keep those filters queen. You know it's interesting. Like why are we. So as a community as a country so unknowledgeable about that stuff there are people out there and many of them who have no idea that you have to change those ever. And i'm sure they get to be so clogged up that they start to damage systems and the only way that gets attention is that someone has no heat at one point or no air conditioning. Call the tech. I think i think there's going to be an industry. And i think it was maybe my dirt and i were talking about this at one point but i think there's going to be an industry for home maintenance in and i'm not talking about maintenance like painting but like i'm talking about this kind of home maintenance as as their as houses get more and more advanced than there's more and more systems within a house that need little maintenance things i think there's gonna be an industry rises for people who don't want to think about this stuff so companies that just show up and they do things like just like they do in a commercial building commercial building. Yeah i think. I think it was like i think might said that if he was gone into business now starter home maintenance company so if any of you listening who are either training your homeowner's your clients on how to operate their homes or if you had that kind of business where you are doing this kind of service work as like general home maintenance. Please let us know. I'd like i'd like to hear about that for sure. Yeah what about you matt. You've been doing stuff around the house not really. I started working on a little dog house. But that's about it so just one. You're going to make them sleep together. Is that To keep them warm. Yeah and they. They like hanging out together. I mean they share cannot we had to kennels for a while but they both just sleep in the same one and one of them was much smaller. It was funny to watch them. Try to cram this little kennel. But they i don't know darts. They're so flexible especially puppies. They just do whatever the heck they want. But i mean. I've been testing out these nadler's that we talked about. I think the last time. I was here and i had mentioned that. Looked like the milwaukee gun could fit the twenty one degree magazine on the thirty degree gun. And so i bought that. Done that experiment and it worked. And that's amazing it well. It was kind of amazing. You know like. I put a bunch of elle's through it and i was like i should contact milwaukee and find out if there's something that could possibly go wrong and they were like yeah. Don't do that and they they sent me like a really long email about what could potentially go wrong and like there are some like parts and there's a reason it fits but you're not supposed to do it so i'll take it is it. Is it dangerous. Or is it bad for the tool. Or if i think it's more bad for the tool. I don't sense that anything can really you know basically the driver or whatever they call it the striker i think they call it could potentially shatter or bend. But you know just. I think it's probably less of an issue doing it the way i did going from using thirty degree gun with a twenty one degree magazine. The striker that's for twenty one degree. You're hitting full round head nails where you're hitting like little offset or clip head nails with a twenty one or with a thirty degree gone so i think if you try to put a thirty degree magazine on a twenty one degree gun then you might definitely have issue because it's too big too big. Yeah so you're going to have double feeds and all kinds of other problems may be but anyway it did work for me but i i recommend anyone else because it's a warranty issue. Speaking of maintenance is there any maintenance with these battery powered naylor's like there are with pneumatic. Naylor's no that's the nice thing so you know like a compressor is compressing. Whatever air is you know. Whatever you have so a lot of times there's a lot of moisture in that you're gets filled with whatever you constantly have to clean hoses and clean out the guns and you have to lubricate all this stuff and has basically they say. Don't oil these things they're like. One of the guns actually has like a little circle with a line with oil like do. Would you even put like a someone gonna like. Put it in the battery compartment. No probably try to lewd. The you know like the striker. Whatever you know things that the few moving parts that they have they may try to oil. That don't know. But i will say when i took the milwaukee apart to put the other magazine on there is some grease in. There said okay. Whether that's something you want to keep up. I don't know. I did notice when i took the twenty one degree magazine off after i was told not to do that. that the Plastic bits from the plastic Nails were stuck in there. He's stuck in greece. I think if the grease hadn't been there wouldn't have been an issue. Those things go anyway. Well that's pretty interesting. Do you think it's an adequate replacement for pneumatic tool. They're heavy. But i will say with the extended magazine milwaukee was. It didn't really feel that heavy. I don't know why but even though it is the heaviest gun But it's fast and the same with a hitachi. I don't know i it depending on what you do. I would say you probably wouldn't want to use it to if you're a production framer to replace whatever you're doing But the milwaukee but the extent magazine it makes a really compelling case for that. Did you guys ever use the old pass. Load narrows wooden. How is how is it compared to that in terms of speed compared to that old tool in terms of speed I would say the milwaukee hitachi. You're both much faster than that much heavier than that. There's a lot less than worry about with the battery operated now. Compared the past load I don't know. I mean for me the paths load which i've had for probably two two and a half years something like that now. I got from colin our video producer. Who are just absolutely hated at any hated it because he didn't use it that regularly and so the gas go bad or the battery would die because if you leave the battery stuck in that thing. It's in standby all the time. And it drains just really fast and it'll ruin it. I've i've ruined one that way and the gas expires. So if you buy a gas at expires before you use it. And i've heard from guys who have you know. Bought gas off the shelf and put it in their gun. It was already expired still. Yeah i don't know how quickly that goes. So i didn't. I never liked working with it. I found it to be. If i found it was worth you know setting a compressor and hose to have a data. Faster naylor no matter what you were doing you you almost every parent every any framework you do requires you to more than one. Now right i love ma. I love mine for a high work and stuff. It is is super convenient especially for high work that you now so light which makes it really nice and it's got a good belt hook which sounds like a little thing but i don't know why it's so hard for companies design one that works in most situations. It doesn't seem like a technological hurdle we should be having in this day and age. Yeah i'll be curious to read your piece about the Battery ones 'cause. That's i haven't spent my money on and i'm itching to blow some cash on that. Yeah a boy. We got called out on youtube. And i'm not sure which one of you guys it was. But i think i think both personally that's why i ended. You didn't know who he was talking about. Either i assume it was me but do you wanna talk about what happened here. Sure well we. On the last time that i was on the podcast we had talked a little bit about Mice and wrote it investigation in homes in very very quick. I think we talked about it for me. Two minutes and we discussed which we have many times on the podcast Manhattan's cats as the that as a solution for parotid investigation and a person on youtube. A call us out saying whether who whoever it was they were calling out of. We're not sure but saying for someone who promotes green building so often You should basically you should be promoting outdoor cats because they're an environmental disaster. And so i have i was. This is something that i. I was surprised by. And so you know. I had heard that only debate. That i was aware of about indoor versus outdoor cats had to do with health and lifespan and or cats. Live longer in your cats live longer. Intend to tend to not get in spread diseases and you know but my experience with with house cats the which is limited is that they. They wanted to be outside like they really wanted to be. There was almost needed to be outside and so we had. We had indoor outdoor cats and accepted the fact that they may not live as long or may disappear one day as part of the part of leading. God's i'd have that freedom. So i decided i gotta i've to look into this and i can't say that i did a ton of research but i did spend a little while reading some articles and what i learned. Which is maybe maybe maybe some of this. You would have could have guessed if you if i had thought about it a little bit. But that no biologically a a domestic cat does not have it native habitat so its native habitat. is adores. Any you know this is not a creature that existed in the wild and so wherever an outdoor cat is released a biologist would probably consider it an invasive species. It doesn't belong there. stay in the united states. 'cause they they didn't evolve here right right right and so you know obviously fair outdoor cats as we know they grow their populations really fast and so i. I obviously because of the conversation. We're having about outdoor cats taking care of mice I know implemented experience. I know that they kill a lot of things when they go outside. That's why let him out because they they need to or want to heightened but apparently that that that killing is is more dramatic than i would've ever thought and one article that i read which i think was From a pretty legit source it was from the university of massachusetts massachusetts science department. One of the articles cited that outdoor cats are known to be responsible for the extinction so not just not just species not just the of animals but the extinction of up to thirty three species on the planet of reptiles rodents and birds so It was eye opening. And i'm glad that we got called out for that because at least if not sure how. I feel about indoor outdoor cats. I don't know that. I necessarily going to put a ban outdoor cats in my life but But it was i opening. That's good information to have if that's if that's correct that they're actually responsible for the extinction of thirty three species that's worthy. Yeah oh yeah. They're killing machines. Yeah yeah. I mean they are evolved for like killing small animals and they are really good at it you know. I don't know if you guys have heard. I suspect you have but this is like an immense problem in australia where feral cats reach enormous sizes and threaten entire populations of all kinds of animals. Right yeah i guess. That's maybe maybe that's not not not to justify Dot to justify outdoor cats. But maybe that's why it was that maybe best. Why was joe arabic. Because you don't thinking like you know a an outdoor cat in a neighborhood or Few outdoor cabinet neighborhood but not large populations of feral cats. You know small areas where they can do that kind of destroyed right. Yeah and one of my cats was a. We don't know if he was a feral cat or what he just showed up in our house and you know i would have a hard time. Confining him all time. I think you definitely came from outside. I mean we saw him outside for. I don't know at least six to eight months before you know. He's sort of moved into our house. Full researchers like know that about cats that are kind of they live in in multiple households. They visit different homes during the day and get fed different places. And you know. Eventually they get adopted in many cases or they. Don't you know what i read. Is the outdoor cats. Killed somewhere in the ballpark of And this is based on a researchers An nor in norwalk connecticut. Pete mira and he used mathematical models to extrapolate the their own research and figured out that outdoor cats killed somewhere around two point. Four billion birds and twelve point three billion small mammals in the us per year which is crazy Far exceeds any other like things we do including pesticides or window strikes. Her wind turbine strikes. Whatever yeah that seemed a little high to me. When i saw that you know that seems like it may be a ceiling among you know like all the other sort of studies i've seen on it. But the usda The us forest service had done one a few years ago and they had cats around one hundred million birds a year and buildings at about five and a half million or five hundred million or something like that so it was five and a half times for buildings. So you know as at least in that study you know. As bad as cats are for birds. Buildings are much worse. I don't think we're about to stop living at buildings not anytime soon. No bell on your cat. Yeah that's i'd that is a good tech patrick. Yeah all of our cats are old which helps probably a little bit at least with the birds doesn't do anything for the smaller slower. Rodents but you know. When i was growing up we had a big orange a longhaired cat and it was a hundred and we put a bell on him you know. Keep him from eating the birds and he would just get stuck on stuff and pulled off. I'm sure he knew what he exactly what he was doing. I gotta get rid of this bell because it's ruining my hunting. Fortunately colors cheap and we by basically like by the ten pack. They do seem to get them stuck. You just go out at night with a flashlight and the reflective ones and then you can find them in all the trees and everything. I almost every time. I go outside. I find good. It's a good tip to. Oh my god so. We got our first. Boxing video sent to the podcast. Email box and it comes from rob longtime subscriber and podcast listeners. Keep up the good work. this week. I read fine building's recent sawhorse review good stuff if you'd like to see what sawhorse technology look like back in the day i can help. I was plumbing through a cooler of tools today. What better way to spend ones thanksgiving. The tools came from my wife's grandfather's basement. Twenty five plus years ago. And i'm slowly reviewing them incorporating them into my collection. I made the attached short unboxing video of a then state of the art sawhorse kit. It's one of those sheet metal ready to cut your hands types and as a bonus. I found gold leaf in the cooler cooler. Something every well-equipped toolbox needs. I hope this helps show how far we've come. Happy thanksgiving rob so. I hope you guys get a chance to check out that video. Put it on the podcast page but rob has this little cardboard box with very sixty style. Art work on it. And it's got these little razor sharp sawhorse brackets. And i'd never seen the design but it's pretty cool. Did you guys watch that ryan's watching right now pay attention. So carson wrote dear f. Hp crew. I found the parabolic radiant space heater. Great for staying warm when it gets a bit chilly. In the mitten the parabolic disc makes emitted rays nearly parallel so the rating energy stays fairly constant as a function of distance. At least fifteen feet or so as an added. Bonus if you like the smell of toast you can enjoy the nice toasty smell. When you make a lot of august mine was between sixty and seventy bucks at costco. So do you guys know what he's talking about it. Looks like a flash light bulb rate. i guess it goes on a propane cylinder. Twenty pound propane bottle. It sounds a little dangerous. If you guys around. Costco wanted is actually electric. Okay you have one of these. No but i've seen them there. And you ensure it. Because i mean you just walked on the aisle who were then you turn around. There's still i think freak that right now. So this comes from brad high all on my podcast and just heard episode to sixty seven. Where joe from the plane. I l annoy comment on an old popular science article like you guys. I consumed both popular science and popular mechanics throughout my youth. When i wasn't reading another article about flying cars perusing the classifieds for go kart and many by plans after building. Both those. The ad in the next issue of popular mechanics leapt off the page. The bartlett flying saucer. I couldn't part with my four dollars fast enough. I was fourteen years and embarking on my biggest project adventure yet. A nine foot diameter hovercraft constructed than same fashion as world war one biplanes with muslim fabric muslim fabric stretched over a lightweight wooden ribs structure and coated with a zillion coats of airplane dope. It flew under the power of a salvage. Three and a half horsepower. Briggs and stratton lawn mower engine with junkyard radiator fan welded to the shaft. I later ponied up the three hundred bucks for legit airplane propeller after one of the radiator fan. Blades buckled under the static pressure rocket engines strut and demolish the engine. That's okay. I had a seven horsepower. Tecumseh just waiting for a chance to fly below me taking an early test flight. Evidently i had no parents at this time in my life. Note the lack of a blade guard over the propeller on straddling and using some hastily attached clothesline to hold onto safety features. Were evidently planned for another day. Perhaps when i got my flying car and didn't have to rely on my mom for rides to the hardware store brad. Always mild and sunny minneapolis. Minnesota had to send you guys these pictures because this is fantastic. I love this thing. I think i i mean it's something that i think. I probably saw in the magazines. That thought was cool as heck. At least i remember. Seeing little hovercraft ads for. I don't know maybe more like the car type ones but this is insane. We're quick on top of the propeller and the only thing between you as like muslim fabric right and then like just like little ropes to steer it around. Oh my gosh. I love it brad. Thank you a million for that you all who are listening to this. Show have to go to the podcast. Page and look at brad contraption i think he did a freaking amazing job and god bless his parents for standing out of the way. I can only imagine if my neighbor saw liam out on something like this in the yard you know they would be calling. The police say they couldn't call. Cps fast enough so we get to some questions there. Hello fine home building. We're building a two story barn minium. It's forty four by twenty to thirty feet high with a twelve twelve scissor trussed ceiling. The bottom floor will be a four car garage workshop and the top will be living space. We live in north central ohio tiffin and went to insulate the house. But be sensitive to my son's allergies. I've been getting conflicting information regarding what would be a cost effective way to insulate our building. The garage does not need to have the strict climate controlled environment. A shop heater should suffice question. One would you recommend envelope sealing the building with rex slash touchback than open cell spray foam the exterior walls. So let's do that question. I shall we. I tell people what a barn any amiss did you guys have. You heard this term. Is it just like a garage with living space above yet. It's a big like typically poll post frame structure with living space carved into it right. It's either like you know. Partitioned off area on a single storey building are often. It's the second story of two story. postering building. You did but he doesn't specify this post frame building right. No he does not. But that's that's my assumption. Based on his wall assembly drawing he sent us or guy. So i think it is okay. So how do we insulate acclaim building brian. So it's a great question So it's going to have an he said it's gonna steal steal vertical siding. These often do screwed to horizontal gertz. That act the posts. Well i would. I mean he hit. He said he's gonna tie back house wrap he to should and i think any question that he says. Later in his email he found a He says a low voc source for spray foam so probably a water base and he said open cell foam. These are tough buildings. I have no answers for this. And i have one of these buildings. Yeah tough buildings to to insulate. So you'd be spraying that foam on the back side of the topic as your steel citing. His w rb and then he would spray against that and enclosed the girts and the and the post to stop thermal. Bridging is is one way ray at. He's asking if that's what he should do. Yeah definitely you. Don't want to spray on the backside of the siding because there is a chance at some point. You're going to have to pull this off to fix some damage right. Yeah you don't mind that you're just glowing the building together if you do that right and so i like you know workshops more than most people and. I don't know that i would build another post frame building because they are hard to make airtight. It's very time. Consuming and labor intensive my building has like eight. Thick would vertical siding on the exterior thirty. Pound felt paper stapled to the gertz between the gertz have an inch and a half of polly and on the inside of the gertz i have another inch and a half layer of polly. And then drywall on that. In some places in other places. I like have little naylor's are studs to offer it in a little bit so estimate that our value add with with three inches of poly iso. I think it's probably about fifteen or thirteen. Probably it's not perfect. I never meant to use this building as much as i do now so right now like it just needed to be relatively airtight. So you can you know. Condition it when you're using it and the most of the time it's much cooler right you use spray foam can spray foam for your air sealing your air sealing which is which is Works well at first. But has the risk factor as building moves in labor shrinks sorta. Yeah lumber shrinks. It just gets. The building just gets leaky I'd say don't build post frame. Building built a stud frame building on a frost protected. Shallow foundation or a stem wall were thick edge slab. And you know make make either put foam the exterior. Do a double stud while it's just like such an easier building to make super condition. And if you don't wanna do that for the whole building your workshop downstairs your garage space. Maybe you may have a different assembly there and you have double sod walls either. Normal sidewalls are using the post frame and an interior stud wall to make the space. You're living in a more easily tight and Heat and cool. Yeah i mean. I i agree with that. I just you know if you do stud frame walls. You have shaving that you can air seal and it is it if this is. The downstairs is a workshop. That that will amuse occasional. You know it only means occasional conditioning than probably you know just cavity. Insulation is enough. You know you can do. Dense packs out especially if you have issues of of allergies dense pack. Cellulose is a great option Integrate material so. Yeah the allergy thing was what sort of i was honing in on a little. Bit in like attaching a grudge Either living above a garage or even having a garage attached to a regular house is not really a great idea for indoor air quality. Ever needs to be really airtight right. Yeah right so. I mean like really the best case you know if you have somebody with is to have a detached garage but you know. I don't know maybe that's not an option here. I don't know. I mean if he didn't say what the use of living space above is right if if if they're using it as i got an occasional space for guests or something like that. That's why i think you're gonna live in it because they're going. Yeah so that sons allergies. Yeah so that's that floor. System needs to be air super airtight. You know yeah and the framing between the floors in the door and all of that to the alleviate. Those concerns i. I don't like to recommend spray foam. Oftentimes but i think in this instance you know between the garage ceiling and the living space you know that might be a good solution to make it super airtight. Because that's traditionally a very difficult place to fully separate would use closed cell or cell. I think closed cell. yeah. I don't know what open obviously is vapor permeable. But i don't know like is to like the oh sees that may be in the garage space. You know ian also wants to know how to insulate the roof of this structure with scissor trusses. And they have a very steep pitch. So it's not gonna work to leg. Do loose fill cellulose and this is our truss right. So you know you're going to have to have dense pack cellulose or fiberglass with an airspace. above 'cause you're not supposed to put air permeable insulation in a invented assembly and You know once again. That's another difficult assembly to get a super airtight. So you know. I i don't know and i'm the first to admit that this is a tough thing for us to answer so i linked to a couple of green building adviser questions that i thought. Were pretty good at talking about barnum's for folks who are interested in this subject especially you ian on how to build an airtight high performance Post frame building. And i would say you know in summation it's difficult to do. Yeah you know the the in the ceiling. He could consider Exterior Rigid foam if top of the sheathing if he can find If i mean if himself that's that's one thing but if you can find a contractor. That's willing to do it. That's something that a lot of contractors. Just you know don't do Won't do it so high that it becomes you know you can't afford to do it But it's a good way to go and then 'cause then you can use fluffy insulation right learning right below the roof deck. I would say that's a great solution. Brian the transition between the wall plate and the thermal insulation on the top of the roof sheathing is a difficult thing to get right to because he scissor trusses are very deep. So you're going to have to figure out a way to continue insulation up that kind of transition space up to the roof. Insulation layer right absolutely. Yeah you can you can. I mean i guess it depends on. It depends whether as overhangs and whether he could he could run shaving straight up. There's so many variables but yeah that if if the if the if the plane of the roof is the thermal barrier then you have to have air sealing along that thermal barrier and again best to do at the sheathing layer You know you could do drywall. but but it's layers a better place to you. Got any thoughts on. This matt does a barna minium appealed to you It does it appeals to me. I think as sort of like a temporary solution while building the house. That i wanna live in full-time i think is where you have a shot that you you live in while you're building your house. Yeah what about you jeff. Would you love to have like a huge space to work on projects like this. Yeah i think what matt just described as is my dream scenario. I think i'd like that too. I can tell you it's pretty nice to have a slash artist studio that is separate from your house like. Are you really going to work on projects at night when your kids are sleeping in the down down below them right. you know. it's nice to be able to go to a different space and make a mess and make a bunch of noise without disturbing the family. Yeah but of course. It's more expensive to build two buildings than it is to build one. Yeah but you're also. I mean you're sort of lengthening. Your timeline to be able to get stuff done. You're making it so that you can do the work yourself rather than having to hire other people to come and build your house so you know i mean if you if you have a space you can sort of like hang out while you're doing all that other stuff you know you have to permit extensions. That's relatively cheap compared to labor. And i'd be curious to see that that like in general. What you just said. Patrick is true like you know going to be more expensive to build buildings than one. But i'd be. I'd be curious to see that cost comparison when everything's really done right and well and all these kinds of details that we're talking about are actually executed because you could design two buildings that are much simpler right so you really have a post frame structure old school right with us space heaters to make it comfortable when you use it but otherwise it's uncondition space and then you have another structure. That's actually a house. That's easy to condition quiet and comfortable right. Yeah if you're gonna if you're gonna if you're considering a space up barner up above a garage for living space. You're probably talking about a pretty simple home in so that that's going to translate pretty easily to a you know a pretty simple home. I'm great not yet above a garage. I mean if you've got enough space in there though. I mean i was just thinking maybe you could build almost like a house inside of a house and the the post frame structure is just like a shell and then you can build sort of a you know inside of that regular stud walls and everything and really insulate the heck out of that and just kind of you know. It's almost like putting up a tent in a lean to or something like that type situation. Yeah i've seen that done. In actual barnes right people people leave the old barn structure and they just build within it in So that that. That is a possibility but again. It's just seems so really complicated when you could just you know build that stick frame this thing and yeah oh i agree. The upstairs space is going to have pretty limited windows to of course. These buildings are huge in. This one is also big describing. But like you're limited to the gable ends if you're talking about scissor trusses right. I guess you could have skylights. But i don't know yeah e. and i'm sure that was completely unhelpful. Thanks for writing. Truth get an rv. One other thing about the scissor trusses. Parallel chord trusses would allow maybe for more options because they have a more consistent. They've a more consistent space right spacing between the top and bottom chords of the trust. So you could fuse. Parallel chord tresses you can easily do event roof right and have the end have still have plenty of room left for insulation. Yeah boy so we're going to hear from bunch of people told me that. Tell us that we were completely unhelpful. To ian so. If you all have any ideas i'd love to hear that yeah This comes comes from jeff. Hello i'm a longtime listener. Podcast as a pro remodel carpenter and unhinged the wire. I thoroughly enjoy listening to the podcast. Every week i enjoy learning out over houses to hearing about your own ongoing projects. I'm writing to you about my own home. I'm not really sure what style. The house is possibly coastal farmhouse. But it is a two story Twin cities minneapolis minnesota spec home built in one thousand nine hundred ninety six which much the bane enjoy of my wife. I am meticulously remodeling one room at a time. That is to say when. I'm battling contractor burnout and have motivation to work more after hours between jobs or on the weekends and a feeble attempt to make it a high-performance home. I've done a great deal of air sealing reinstated the roof and whatnot. Although i haven't used any type of blower door on the home. I speculate that. I've done a pretty good job based on the window. Glass making significant amount of rat. Noise when i open and close the bedroom doors. I know it's scientific anyway. I'm writing to you because i recently. Installed a whole house humidifier which is controlled by a third generation nest. Thermostat also has an hr v. on a forced air furnace. I wanted to install the humidifier because the humidity level in the winter would drop down as low as the height amid. I now have. The minimum humidity said at thirty five percent and take great care maintaining my hr v. After too much thought about the setup. I figured i'd ask the experts. How the h. Rv and humidifier work together for my understanding. They are opposing forces. Did i waste a few hundred dollars on a humidifier and a day's worth of work which included pulling new thermostat wire. Should i have just turned down the hr v. and focused more on air sealing. Thanks in advance for less than on how these systems work together my apologies. If already covered this one self indulgently attached a few photos of the house and some highlights of my diy projects. Thanks jeff. that's a good question. Brian opposing have ideas. But they're opposing forces right well in the sense that it's going the hr v. is just going to dump the you know the air that's inside outside and bring you outside there in here. That just thing is putting outside. Yeah it's taking the humidifier aaron and just putting it outside and bringing in in the wintertime pretty dryer right so you've probably would have wanted to get an e. r. v. instead which kind of like controls for both humidity and he at the same time but now that he's got it i mean is it a is the solution turning down the hr v. I think so so low. Indoor humidity is a comfort issue right. Yes hi and potentially a health issue. Yeah in that like it's not gonna lead to like mold growth or anything like that because it's so low but up and your nose starts bleeding and it's it's uncomfortable competition. I think. I think high high in humidity is becomes an issue with more you more of an issue with health and building science so i i would say turn on the hov during the winter. Keep tightening up your house or humidity often. A factor with air leakage or a symptom of air leakage. Right because you're bringing in cold dry outdoor air in the wintertime. It's accumulating yeah. It's yeah most of the recommendations. I've seen people complain about dry houses in the wintertime. In colder climates is you know air sealing and Lower rate limit slightly lower rates ventilation and it really. That's about it mostly. I don't see recommendation of humid. At running a humidifier almost everything. We read brian on gbs not to right. It's like don't do that right. And so i would say his case like again keep doing the air sealing work and turned on that hiv for the winter months and turn off a little bit of Turned off the humidifier turned off the humidifier. You know. I mean. I guess unless it's just let's miserable as you are having bloody noses and and whatnot but the twenty s i mean if you got into the twenty are talking about very low humidity. That is very low. Guests is jeff an excelsior minnesota. I neglected to look where that is. But it's freaking cold right and it's going to dry air the wintertime right. Yeah and i think that it might be. It might be too cold coleman area for the rv's be. I think i think the core is on a or b is are sensitive to freezing in cold climates. I maybe taken about that. But i think there's issues with the with their e r v cores in really cold climates. I could see that being an issue. I was also thinking like just within. Hr v. it might be an issue in the in the In the heat exchanger like having that humid air sort of dump out and coming in contact. It's not touching the cold air but it is touching the the sides of that core and it may just get clogged with mold eventually but it seems like that humidity is still relatively low. It's only thirty five percent. I don't know what the what the do point would be inside that thing. So that's just sort of me spitballing. I don't have any data to back. That up. Right i would say thirty. Five percent is not a risk of problems. But if if the house is really leaky. Jeff in your Humidity level in the wintertime. Indicate it is. You know this humidifier you're making is is condensing somewhere in the building right in riley. It's not an assembly but there's a good chance it is right. So you need to be mindful of that and i would get one of your buddies Jeff to do a blower door tests and see what we're talking about. You know 'cause our conversation might be academic or you might really need to do some more air sealing this comes from kurt and arlington heights illinois. Hello i'm designing a new house near the coast in saint petersburg florida which will have a rain screen. Behind the siding. The roof will be a hot roof so it will not be vented however in between the two i have enclosed eve sophists. Should i vent the rain screen through the eve or is it just a way to introduce warm moist air into the space if i'm relying on the stack effect to circulate the air when it'd be better to correct the connected eve to the rain screen. If that's a bad idea. Does the evening events separate from the rain screen so the inside doesn't condense route the framing from the inside out or should have should have no ventilation whatsoever. Attached as the image of the house. Design the detail. I'm working on. I appreciate the show and all the helpful information and discussions best regards. Kurt said you guys should get a chance to see this detail drawing it's You know he's he wants to know if he should vent the of the wall into the sofit and it's a really good question right shore. It's yeah if you're going to have rain screen. Does that need to go. It need to be open at the top and bottom for it to work. It needs to be open at the top and bottom. But it doesn't need to go into the eve you vent. You can vent it below the eve at. You're at the top of your siding with trim board under the eve. If you have one you can space that off the house invented there and that's what's typically done If you've into into the than you would have to have an exhaust from the well. I think the intake would be the bottom of the wall and then theoretically with convection. It's it's getting out the fit. Well if it's a vented software but he's talking about clothes he's got he's got a close he doesn't have invented roof so if his think so yes. The intake is at the bottom of the wall. The bottom of all needs to be vented for a rain screen in the top of the wall needs to be vented and there's But if you brought it into the safa than there would be. There's no exhaust. You're pushing their into the into this office and it would have to. Have you know strip van or whatever and the bottom of the software right right right works. Then you're then you're actually you know you're you're circulating. Had sort of a recirculating situation going on there bennett. At the top of the wall just freeman framing and finish the way you normally would. You're not gonna have condensation issues in your youth and and you you also have an even. That's not airfield or insulated. So even if even if their worst even if that space did get wet there's gonna be plenty of energy moving all the time and there's a good example of this in a fine home building article called siding to last a lifetime which follows a fiber cement install over a rain screen. And i'd say the top of the wall detail is better looking than most i've seen so we can link that on the podcast page so you can check that out. Kurt and you know think it's the best looking in simplest way to do this. There are some it just for for the sake of conversation on this topic there. There are some. I have seen some building. Scientists and builders Draw details for Continuous venting from the rain screen into invented roof. If you did have one And allowing it to continue that that bent path to continue all the way up to the ridge vents. I believe that is not allowed in canada. Where rain screens are written into the national code So and i think it's fire issue. I was gonna say that's risky country right. Yeah but in terms of in terms of in terms of of of how that have the stack effect will draw that air up through this cabinet. You can't do that. So if you did have vented roof It would work to vent uranium screen into the even then had that had that. Continue up through the roof ending using the stack effect. But there again it's debated there are some potential fire risk there so the easiest thing to do was is ben debt that at the top of your citing the distinction. I've heard building. Scientists make with regard to Citing assemblies or wallace assemblies is drainage versus drying rate. So you can. You can have drainage you can have bulk water. Have a way to get out and the way to do that as these like. Wrinkly house right materials. They have some kind of textured surface that allows water that gets behind the siding to come out the bottom and but it doesn't allow the drying of event at assembly with You know kind of some kind of intake vent at the top and some kind of Exhaust vent for lack of a better word at the top of the wall. And i think in saint petersburg It's probably a good idea to have both right. You're talking about a humid wet place yet. You're going to have you're gonna have in that climate you're going to have inward vaber jibes. So if you're siding takes on moist water you know. It's the sun's gonna gonna bake siding and it's going to push the vapor towards the house or to have that space allows the baby not to get pushed into the wallace amply. It gives it gives space to dry and big. You know be exhausted. What do you think about this matt. Do you think it's ever a good idea to have a wall assembly. That doesn't have drainage and drying. Do you need both all the time. I'm sure they're somewhere. You don't need it out both all the time. I mean if you're building with icf's. I don't know that it would necessarily be a huge issue. But i mean if you're building anything with wood and in florida in florida i would say i'd want it. I would love to. I'd love to get some do a whole show a whole webinar on this topic Because there are there sort of like you know we don't have codes that say you have to have either thing right. You don't have to have drainable house wrap you. Don't have to have a rain screen. You can install siding right on right on your wr. Partier w rb hardier sheathing. You can use a drainable trapper. you can have Fully vented rain screen. And you know. I mean i think that safest bet is going to be a full event that rain screen but it seems like there. There's probably a time and place for the other options as well. You know a house in place for the other options as well. And i love to get sort of bottom of what those are in. Hopefully it's not you know. Maybe it's just vinyl siding because vinyl in corrugated siding that is naturally draining that can go against the house wrap. What are what are good options for a drainable house wrap you know. Is it when maybe when you're not finishing your siding so you're not so concerned about longevity of the finish. I'm not sure what i would love to talk to some. you know. Talk to some experts on this and find out when when the other options are are acceptable so Recently my barn is now almost ten years old. I added some window. So i got a chance to see how my assembly was going which admittedly is somewhat untested But it's working great like my thirty pound felt allows drying. I was worried that it might show some evidence of repeated wedding from water being driven between the siding boards. And i think vertical siding is great because it allows drainage the were the ship laps meet creates a natural drainage cavity and the other thing thing about asphalt fell is as you're installing it inevitably gets wet from rain or do or whatever and it gets kinda crinkly texture that never goes away and then when you put the siding on it creates this kind of i think they call it. Tortuous membrane rates. Got all these little channels that get the water to the bottom of the wall and the rich overhangs. Yeah it's all about overhangs. Yeah he had a steve. Steve basic will say like you know when you ask him about products like these. You know he'll always you know any. You know the right design. As well designed products can work. You know and i think that in that speaks a lot to the overhangs in in water management other other areas of water management Yeah i like belts to patrick i. It's it's still. It's still pretty interesting product to me. I know you know it. Maybe it's maybe it's outdated in a lot of ways but there's still a pain to work with those small pieces or a hassle. It's nice to have nine or ten or twelve foot roll of house wrap that goes from the mud shore to the next floor or the eaves and of course that theoretically is more watertight than if you have seems every three feet and i don't know i've never seen house wrap installed correctly also is the other thing is like i mean it's so rare to see someone who's actually detailing it around penetrations and windows and doors I routinely see it. Non installed on gable ends Unlike what so that. That doesn't get wet right. It's it's still such a such a misunderstood product. You know just just just taking questions from people in hearing what they call it they call it a water barrier they call it an air barrier. They call it a vapor barrier. They call it like all. These you know suit can be so misunderstood. What what that product is. And i'm so curious about you. Know about the future of a fluid applied products. I mean when. I see these sort of the buildings that i watched get built down here in charleston town home style places where you know a company that comes in and does the does the wr sprays the wr beyond you know. And that's all company does they. Do they do it quickly. they do a well. I just wanted to It seamless you know if it's installed right it doesn't have it doesn't have a tape seem it doesn't have a reverse lap you still. Of course you still have to flash things to it but I'm just curious about the future of that. And as as more and more companies and companies are around right because they've been doing commercial buildings for a long time so more of a move into the residential sector and it becomes a cost effective way to go. I wonder if we'll start to see see a lot of it. I think there's a ton of about those products. And as you suggest. That seamless quality clicks. All my boxes. But i've heard some concerns about drawing potential of these assemblies. They allow very little. Drying of you guys heard that that concern because of their perm parents. Yes i believe. There's products that are vapor open as you need. Well maybe i'm wrong. Maybe someone who's listening to the show has got more knowledge of this can weigh in would be a. That's the concern. I've heard i want to say it was ben. Bogey who i trust. Sure i mean we'd have to look at the product right i. I mean. I've only looked at a few but i believe protocol has vaber open product. I seen the stuff installed It was the trim co product which is lex like tar. Do you remember what the purpose of it is. You know whatever towards not but oh my gosh. it's it's awesome. But i maintain you could do the same thing with paint right. What about if you painted your sheathing and put some kind of reinforcing tape. The seems why wouldn't that work. I don't know maybe it would try an exile. It'd be pretty easy with. There's no doors and windows and stuff in right. You just get a sprayer roller on a ten foot pole and go to town with cheap. Paint the ad so prosecco. Our guard is has is rated at eighteen firms which is all the dry. You need yeah pretty much. Anything about ten perms is is all you need. Well i'm relieved. Brian watt kelly's he'll of this product has has been solved. It's been it's all right here on the final drive like anything else it. There's going to be a variety of products out there. That are meant for different things so you have to make sure that using the right product for your assembly Most most Stick framed assemblies are the best option is vapor open b. It's more forgiving right. That's the whole thing as some wet it could dry. It allows our drying. Yes man the good stuff today. Gentlemen you're on the top things today. You jeff let me gentleman well. Unfortunately that's all the time we have today. Thanks to moe matt. Brian jeff for joining me. Thanks to all of you for listening. Please remember to send us your comments questions and suggestions to f h be podcast at taunton dot com and please like comment a review us. However you're listening helps other folks find our podcast. Well it's been a pleasure sharing this time with you guys. And i appreciate your help. Stay save you everybody. Thanks very much for listening and happy building.

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#332: Mossy Roofs, Cold Walls, and Priming PVC Pipe

The Fine Homebuilding Podcast

59:19 min | 7 months ago

#332: Mossy Roofs, Cold Walls, and Priming PVC Pipe

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And don't forget to mention that you heard about them on the fine home building podcast. That's bill book dot. Co thermal break. I agree with matt lake. Make sure that you have this much strike with As possible to the inside. I was thinking like just not putting anything in the cavs. Except maybe a bunch of packets of silica gel and then welcome to the fine home building. Podcast our weekly discussion of remodeling and design. Topics aimed at who cares. Deeply about the craft and science of working on houses is a senior editor. Patrick mccown today. Joined by deputy editor matinal hem as going good to see him in good to see you to editorial director. Bind ponta lillo. Everyone and are amazing producer. Jeff rose please email your questions to f h. b. podcast at taunton dot com. You can find previous podcasts. And check out the show notes at fine home building dot com slash podcast guys. It's good to see you this morning. How y'all been doing all right a lot of snow clearing. It's still snowing. Woke up early. Snow blew my driveway. 'cause i gotta go to the office later. But what are you gonna do. They're just print out some stuff for A issue or working on a deck sip. Pick up some dealers that are left. There think folks will be surprised to hear that in this modern day and age that we still feel compelled do print out things to review them. But like you mad. I find that. I find different stuff when i look at things on the page versus when i look at them on the computer monitor. Do you guys think that's true. Well yeah there's a bit of that but also you know like if i'm looking at the code book and looking at something that also is on the screen you know when you're clicking between things to try to fix things it it's really hard when you're working on a small monitor so it's just a lot easier to have the code book next to a piece of paper on the table. Just look across the make. Sure the tables writing update stuff. So what do you agree with you. Patrick i would much rather look at something that really needs Close attention on paper it. Also we're making we're making a print magazine and It's it's important to see how it's going to be saying. Yeah we you know. Pre covid before magazine would go to the printer. We put the entire thing up on the cubicle wall right and you look at it in its entirety. And i tell you. That's one of the things i miss most. Because you start to see you know silly repeated things that you might not see when you're looking at things piecemeal right you see more global perspective. And that's definitely one thing i missed since we've had to change our workflow. Yeah i had. I had sort of i for years and years. I had sort of morning routine once the issue started going up on the wall i would. I would kinda come into work. I go into my cubicle and turn everything on its head towards the head towards the coffee pot. But i'd stop on my either way there my way back at stop and duck into the conference room and take a look at what was up for the issue and i just kind of keep doing that and you know over the course of the time it took a put together an issue like a lots of things just sort of like ideas with just sort of spark from that. You know that you patrick. I've been busy here around the house I think so. Jonathan are longtime listener and friend interviewed me for our first anniversary special. Podcast and i decided to go. I just to set an example. So folks know what to expect in are more willing to get on the hot seat but anyway i figured if i told him my next project it would force me to do it and that was painting the living room. And that's what. I did this past weekend. We went from the builder band-aid to this lovely mint. Green color and caroline. I work our butts off to get it done but boy. It was satisfying once. We're finished and it looks so much better. Mint green You guys know. Andy's candies dark chocolate. And it's got a green layer in between the. It's very much like that. Green layer man. That sounds very fifties underneath the the crappy vinyl sheet final. That's in my kitchen right. Now wait you see my fifty seven eldorado man. You're gonna love it thea. In in in our last house we had a really kind of an open living space. and when Bet that that. I had opened up in time for paint We decided on some on. May we decided to me kind of colorful. And we've used a couple of blues in a couple of yellows. And when i kept i kept our. Drywall was was finished but there was still tons of work to do kitchen cabinet and so we just decided. Let's just painted. let's just make it. You know brighton in here and so painted in knowing that time was gonna come. When i would have to paint again because i would be you know scuffing the paint and all that kinda stuff doing doing all the rest of the work so i thought i would just like you know. Put another top court on right. Just cover all scopes and whatnot. By the time it came to do that. Topcoat i could get rid of the blues in a fast enough and read. It was all white it was. I took like a deep breath of relaxed. I didn't realize what are the impacts. Those colors were having ambi- until but there's a whole science to that right. And patrick i e. I may be wrong with this. I believe i read. The green might be a good color for learning. I hope it works. Brian because looking line like how colors what effect in a psychological effect colors have on us when we're surrounded by them all the time and been well studied. It's fascinating it. You know what i observed is like okay. you're ceiling no one's touching it. No one spilling food on it but gosh when you put a fresh coat of white paint on it it looks so much better and yeah you really cannot tell how gross it is until you repaint. Unless you're in my house and you've got what seems like mouse p seeping through head. What is going on up there. We'll talk a little bit about it later. Somebody wrote in a with. Who would listen to older podcast and you were talking about the a stains on your ceiling. It was probably a year ago or more. And you're still dealing with that. Yeah i mean. I've tried just about everything i can think of. And it hasn't worked yet so short episode was to use an oil rhymer. Have you tried that. I did buy Like some kind of ceiling primer. Haven't put it up there but yeah we'll see that's the last probably the last thing and it's sort of like it's kind of spread areas like it's even in my office now and it's a little spot in the bedroom and a lot of the hallway so i do want to take care of it. What are you doing jeff. Besides podcast not a whole lot. We had a busy week of podcast with builders show. Yeah it's been a lot of that non-point catch-up you got going on brian. Not just just a lot of work right now. Yeah funky mentioned the builders show is a big push last week and getting an issue out the door this week. It's been works been busy. It's been busy good. It's been you know. I think is before on the podcast but know work has been a source of solace for me over the last year. You know something to do. It's easy to be grateful for and it's something to know having having you no doubt right now and something to do. Yeah i totally agree. So you guys remember. We were talking about lead. We had a listener. Right in who who's experienced was that There were few people in his Experience and the experience of the person he asked who had shown symptoms of lead accumulation with regard to Who knows how they got it. But there was a number of people who wrote in Taking us to task for Potentially minimizing the effects of lead poisoning. So i'm going to pick one of them here and it comes from a an md as a longtime subscriber. I love listening to your show and reading your magazine. Unfortunately all almost lost me to a heart attack when i listened to the letter about minimizing the importance of lead exposure on show. Three twenty one. I'm a middle. aged board certified pediatrician. That is a fellow of the american academy of pediatrics. And i work into the chicago land area. I thought some brief back on lead is warranted. The information that follows can be found from sources like the american academy of pediatrics or many department of public health websites. Even the small of len can harm a child's brain and nervous system. Lead poisoning can slow child's development cause learning and behavioral problems. Pregnant women with lead exposure can also harm the developing fetus. There is no safe level. It is correct that very few children have high enough lead poisoning to threaten their life or that. It is high enough to benefit from key. Latian therapy doctors do have treatments to reverse the damage that small amounts have lead hat on child. Lead can also get sore and child and leads back into the blood over a very long period of time long after the exposure is gone. A few facts. Seventeen to two hundred and twenty. One dollars are estimated to be saved for every dollar that is invested in us in a us household to reduce lead exposure. Five hundred thirty. Five thousand estimated preschool. Children have a lead level greater than five micrograms per deciliter of blood. These is a management level. Twenty three million estimated total loss of i q points among us towed today due to lead exposure One in five cases of h. adhd are attributed to lead exposure and. He has a bunch of resources that i'll link on our podcast page He says. ns an aside. I live in one hundred year old home and read tons of material on all aspects of home modeling inspection and building. I am fearless when it comes to any type of project and use them as part of my self imposed therapy if you ever want to get the perspective of how motivated novice would approach some of your listener issues. I'm happy to participate. My recent projects mostly would pro during cove. It had been inspired by including bring my walk up attic with chemicals into the building envelope putting a gas van and heater in the garage. Adding one hundred sub panel with new electric car charging and installing a still ordered hot tub moving on the candles goals for a washer and dryer to have them build in fo wayne's coating over plaster etc etc era as you can tell i have a very patient wife. Ps don't use bungee cords. So there you go so let is a problem. We didn't mean to minimize it. But i thought the listener made a good point but see on this week's episode of the podcast matt set of storm windows. What are you going to keep them up all year and my helps we absolutely keep them up all year. We live in nineteen twelve craftsman in seattle near and the storm. Windows are crucial to reducing amount of street noise. That makes it indoors even if we didn't need storm windows for the sound installation sound isolation installation is still useful year round unless you have seasons where it's seventy degrees outside day and night. You're still conditioning. The space also. I'm glad that the previous owners. What with exterior storms that have interior in my home. The windows are one of the most influential interior design elements. The interior faces the windows affect my enjoyment of the home and much more. Since i spent a lot of time looking out my windows and very little time looking in you convinced now. Well i guess. If i lived in a city and i was trying to keep out noise and i had no intention of other windows but for me like letting the outside in is a big part of my conditioning. My house in the spring summer and fall as soon as a it seems like it. Turn the heating system off. I do and then you know as much as i can use the outside air condition my house in the heat in the cooling months i do. I don't want to run the air conditioner anymore. Than i have to brian. Do you have storm windows in your apartment. Do you take them off and put him on. And now we don't have. We don't have windows. We have one window that opens. Yeah legal that's a. That's a great question. This house is is More of square out of plumb than most as much as many houses down here in charleston are. I mean it's you know you'd walk around the city and it's it's a very visual thing that the houses are not plot. It's because of bad soil. What's going on. i think. I think that's it. I think largely because they're thinking a little bit of seismic activity down here. The earth is moving. And yet you can. You can spot it walking down the street. You know one has after another. And so. I'm sure that none winter openings. Where and none of the windows bunch. So they are. They're technically operable windows but they don't operate cracked okay and i have tried to try to get them open. It's not like stuck paint. I wonder how much glass can handle before that just starts to crack well and that's that's a great question that we actually have had. I think we've had two broken pieces of glass on on the house that we've landlord has had fixings we've been here and that's one of the reasons why i don't try too hard to get the windows open to the old single plane paned glass and ruin i just on break it in in my effort to crack a window we have. We've won the you know. The truth is that we don't get much of a season here for open windows anyway so You know the one that we can't crack is is helpful. Yeah this is interesting. This comes from nikki. High podcast a twenty year old twenty nine year old guy from belgium living in new zealand for a few years. I'm qualified in metal engineering. Which i don't like. Do you guys want to take a guess. What that is. I asked nicky. I emailed him yesterday to to get clarification on what that exactly means but building bridges and skyscrapers and stuff. No idea well. Hopefully nikki all right back and we'll be able to update folks what that means. I've been listening to the podcast for about four months. The last three years. I become obsessed with passive and energy efficient houses. Podcast to sixty seven. You ask what is the problem with the fact trade kylie said you'd get comments. This is one of them. I have three years experience. In fact trade in belgium and one new zealand followed by some age fact schooling and you guys are right. They only teach us about the air conditioning and heat pump things. Dock work is minimized. My teacher said once that if the houses unin slated don't sell heat pump it's useless. That's all he said. If we go to sell heat pump we look at the windows. We see how much draft comes through them we look at the power receptacles to see if there's light around them this again. An indication of how much heat loss we using the calculation for sizing a unit but. That's all i try to give my clients the best advice i can but we need to earn money or i'll be out of work and in two fifty nine you said done done and he says you pronounce it. Dunedin live in queenstown in. It's a three hour drive over there. It's a fairly dry. Climate and houses are so leaky even the new builds and they can get bloody hot because the really aggressive son and most of the new builds have smaller no overhangs and massive windows and it gets bloody hot inside to most people. Just buy bigger furnace or heat pump instead of making the house airtight and by the way electricity is expensive. Here keep up the good work. Love all the podcast. The information you give kind regards nikki and english as a first language. Don't get my mistakes. What do you think. I love hearing from international listeners. That's a kind of a cool perspective yum curious. Did he learned the trade in belgium or new zealand. It's like he's a belgium resident that moved to new zealand. So i'm guessing he started their. Yeah well he's he's pointing to something important in the fact that you know the the two things of your your heating cooling system your mechanical system. Your envelope are so tied together and so you know interdependent on each other and so but often think in existing houses and he meant new houses to but in existing houses You know you you upgrade your you up grade your heating system here cooling system you know when it when you're old one fails and so you hurry up and do it. And that's not the time when you're going to be able to think about envelope improvements in you know how that how those would affect what you need for heating and cooling and that kind of thing you know if you're if you're living cold climate in your boiler fails you have to get the right away time to think about air sealing around your windows i so that you can get prudential yet a smaller boiler in that. That's just that's just kind of the way we operate You know fortunately at least in You know the building community that find holdings part of it professionals architects builders engineers are now looking at a much more closely at considering the envelope. And the you mcgann goes as one part of one sister and now we're getting to the point. I'm currently working on a piece. It's my next thing to work on. the need standalone dehumidification systems. Because we've made envelopes really tight and modern housing and conventional. ac systems. Don't do enough to reduce the late in cooling that reduces humidity. Yes sure it can bring the temperature down. But that doesn't necessarily mean you're comfortable if it's all clammy and went in there and it's not good for the building right right. Yeah it's it's the sort of. It's an important thing for people to be. I'm glad republishing portfolio for people to become aware of that. You know If you're not sort of you don't understand The different cooling loads that your ac takes care of you might not think about the humidity And also you know when when. I got the idea for that article and as scott to work on it from a presentation that i saw. I think it was off irwin. Who's an engineer in austin texas and billing scientists Actually the billing science podcast which is really a excellent podcast and he was on with a woman from a company that makes a mechanical systems. I can't her name right now. And i listened to this this podcast in. They also mentioned how climate change is affecting the areas where the medication is necessary in that area that that of our countries is this is of the size of Hot humid climates is growing and is intended to grow over the next little bit. So if you're building new now You might be it something you might not. You might need not long from now in your area. I can tell you in the wintertime. We keep our house seventy rate. It's still not comfortable. Oftentimes especially if you're sitting in front of our crappy windows right but in the summertime running a couple of window air conditioners. They really do a good job. Managing the latent loads because the system is relatively under size right a. h. fat contractor never size what amounts to ten thousand use of doing for a house of my size rate. It's going to be you know at one. And a half two tons system minimum and atanas worth about twelve thousand to use cooling as i recall so you can't buy system small enough right but i can be comfortable in our house. It's seventy five degrees because the humidity is around fifty percent point. So it's it's pretty interesting. How comfort is more than temperature. Maybe you should explain. The difference between a sensible and latent loads since we're using that term and i don't know that it's it's highly understood the jargon. Eso's i'm sorry. Sensible loads referred to cooling load making making the air temperature cooler and load is referring to humidity control. And it's not more complicated than that and you have to manage both and oftentimes it's they. It's not complementary with the equipment you know there's too much sensible. Cooling to effectively manage leyton cooling loads casinos are oversized and like i mentioned earlier. There they're badly designed. Yeah yeah the issue. I don't know if you really got to this. But when the system is oversized it's only running for a couple minutes to get that temperature down but it's not cycling the air enough to be able to take the water out of it so like you know. It's getting to the temperature at thinks it wants to be at but it's much better if that system is size down so that it's running constantly so that it can constantly deal with that moisture. If anyone out there is listening you know in the hvac equipment arena equipped with variable refrigerant flow is slowly getting adopted into the marketplace and these systems will actually speed up and slow down to effectively match sensible and latent. Loads any of you out there no folks who were familiar with this equipment and are knowledgeable enough to write an article for fine home building. I think it's something we really need to tackle in the near future because this stuff is way more complicated but also more useful than conventional systems. Should we get some questions. Do it a brian. From boise writes in i have air sealing insulation question but in order to pique your interest i should mention that it does involve brick my house in boise idaho a very dry climate zone. Five was built in one thousand nine hundred eighty five is ranch style ranch style house with brick veneer on the east facing wall. It is by far the coldest of the walls of my house. And i was planning on doing something about it from the interior relative to air sealing and insulation my initial idea firm assembly followed. The one suggested by. Brian ponta willows. Walls that work webinar video video with rigid foam that stood off from the interior of the sheathing and kokturk taped to the studs for air sealing followed by either fiberglass batts or possibly blown in cellulose however in inspecting existing wall assembly further. I discovered discovered a double layer of six mil polyethylene behind the building paper on the exterior and indirect contact with the board sheathing. This is where i get confused. My thinking is that the polyethylene barrier prevents drying to the outside should that she didn't get wet either. Through vapor drive from from the brick or interior or just general sloppiness in the assembly which means i need drying potential to the inside which then means that. The rigid foam on the interior is a bad idea with that in mind when a bond fig assembly with mineral baths followed by fully detailed smart vapor retarder. Such a cigna's madge wrecks on the interior for an air barrier behind the draw. Drywall be a better assembly. Or am i over thinking this whole thing and can follow through with the original plan of mr pont. Leila's aforementioned assembly with rigid foam faced police so for example followed up my choice of fluffy installation as much as i'd love a warm wall. I prefer a cold one without mold and rot. So if it's an inherently risky proposition. That'd be great to know as well. Thanks for taking the time to make the podcast every week. It's carried me through more projects than i can count and helped me educate and move me from someone who put five unsealed. Ken lights in the ceiling. For years ago someone who was willing albeit begrudgingly to pay for swiss made air sealing products. Take care and kind regards from boise. Brian. ps. I fixed the can lights. Should anyone ask. Oh my god. So i have never seen pauley on the exterior side of sheathing. Have you guys heard of this. Ever know with one caveat. I think it's possible that the polly is just at the bottom of the wall. Sort of like Like in the place of flashing. And so it's just kind of like protecting the bottom of that you know cavity behind the brick and it probably only it may only run up like four eight inches or something like that. It's sort of is an assembly off matt. Have you heard. I've i've heard of it. Only like in people asking questions about it on gp and other forums. You know think that they've opened up walls and seeing that and then like what is this if the housing is from the same era as Bryant house. I have no idea but it wouldn't surprise me. I don't know you know. I mean it. Living in a house of that of that vintage people took a lot of shortcuts. L. say and so rather than having a proper through flashing they may have used you know polly to sort of keep water away from the the sheeting and stuff at the bottom of that airspace behind the brick so Let's let's talk about this in two ways then so assuming. It doesn't go all the way up. Would that affect how you detail the interior this assembly. Yeah for sure for me. It would anyway not knowing a whole lot about how you know. Vaber is being driven. This waller anything. I would be much more conservative. If i thought the polly went all the way up the wall because there's drying the only potential is to the inside so you have to leave that that avenue open. Yeah bryan have you heard of this. I have. I have not heard the pollyanna exterior like that But i also think that We we we should. We should just wishing address his two proposed assemblies. Because i think that. If i'm reading the drawing that he sent right there is an airspace between the brick in the sheathing and there is as there's there's either Either just felt or felt in probably over this wall. So there's a w b so that that that gap that. He's thinking of creating inside the wallace. Emily here is unnecessary. No matter what he does he doesn't need to do that. that that suggestion is for wall. That either doesn't have an air. Gap will take a reservoir cladding without an air gap or house without a w rb. I'm going to stop you and ask a question. So the building scientists tell us that brake assemblies from the fifties sixties seventies eighties. Unless they're really consciously detailed the mortar droppings from laying brick end up clogging the bottom of the airspace behind the brick. Meant to provide drainage and drying would would you. Would you be concerned about that brian. I mean if it's if it's that can be investigated right. I mean if it's really blocked it's really blocking airflow through that cavity yet and then the cavity becomes sort of unhelpful. Unhelpful but If if the if cavities open in has airflow than than basically he doesn't he can. He can insulate his wall without being concerned about you. Know about that gap Having that gap in there but to matt's point he needs to make this whole thing in your gap is in what he needs for drying needs. This whole assembly assuming that there's probably over the whole wall for now to be on the safe side. He needs this whole assembly to be able to dry inward ripe right. I think the bond fake wall with a with a smart are variable perm vapor retarder. Seems like a pretty good idea. I might even keeping more vapor opened a that. If there really is probably over the whole wall may be considered. Not even just just airtight drywall. I'm inside because you really. If it's poly really own em you know x. no outlined potential right. Yeah so there will have to be able to drive word and and so. I don't think you need the. I don't think he needs airspace in the cavity and in the stud cavity which include. I like the fig while. Because he's in a cold climate. It gives them more insulation in a bit of a thermal break and i agree with matt like. Make sure that you have this much. Drank attention as possible to the inside. I was thinking like putting anything in the cavities. Except maybe a bunch of packets of silica gel and then and then using goo tax over the studs and drywall over that. So you have into your like an interior. Layer of vapor opened insulation. I think you just you mention a product idea. Yes girls dropping be doesn't it. I don't know in a wet season. You might have that stuff. Start to pop the drywall off. The it's a really good question. I think brian has some things going for him. he's in a really dry. Climate brick is less risky in places where it's dry generally than when it's wet ray and solar vapor. Drive is a bit concerned with brick. But you know if it's paulie on there and there's an airspace there's no way that solar vapor drive is going to get into the end of the sheathing or the you know stud cavity so hopefully has overhangs. Hopefully it's good flashing if that stops if you know if the if the wall the shootings getting wet from rain yeah. Lots of big difference 'cause he's in a he said ranch right. It would be a big difference. This was a cape no overhangs or three stories. Tall ray thing. That wasn't helpful at all. Brian. but you know how low f- hp my son's nursery. Our guest room share a common two by four stud wall with half inch drywall. on both sides. Needless to say sound transfer between the two rooms is an issue. The worst offender is the air return in the guest room which is formed by the stud cavity there's ductwork and it has high and low vents. That are open and close depending on the season. I'd like to cut a four foot wide strip. The drywall across the guest room and installed rockwall safe and sound from the majority of the wall. What else should. I do to reduce reduce noise. Transfer across the cold air return cavity simple easily to source. Solutions would be appreciated. This from eric and adamstown pennsylvania so duck works in interior walls that are shared by two spaces are a huge conduit for sound. That is like the worst thing you can do. You're putting this pipe. Could that connects the spaces right What you guy. I don't know what to say here. But i'm gonna let you guys figure it out and then i'll chime in and criticize you moving it. You just cut. I was thinking. Yeah just cut holes in the floor on both sides and ducked through that way. I mean if it's just going through that stud bay you can kinda connected you know in the just offset a few inches on either side of that and just plug up all those holes in the wall. I don't know it's one of the hardest things to deal with an acoustic. Tell you to not do this right. Yeah and that doesn't stop people from doing it i would. I don't know it's a hard thing you could double up the. You can double up the drywall on on on the wall. That might help. But it's not gonna help this return. I think you know people have a misconception about how to stop sound than. I don't know if it's the insulation industry that is to popularize these myths but like fluffy things don't do a good job stopping sound. You actually want like dense. Flexible materials like mass loaded vinyl to snot sound and there are mass loaded vinyl that you could wrap around this conduit your return air duct to try and stop it. The sound transit transferring. Through the drywall to the other room. And i think that might be your best. But it's it's a very difficult thing to to solve the be. I'd be interested if he's willing to write back to us in here. How the how. How the and time insulation which is a rock product right at is is So it's it's mineral bats that are meant to do help with just this and i think they're higher density than most installations is that correct. I think that's how they work. Yeah and so. I'd be curious to get some I know that. I know of a lot of new new homes that they're going into But it'd be it'd be really interesting to hear someone from someone who had can cut have a before and after opinion on on its effectiveness of got one question for this guy like this is a guest. Why are you having guests in a pandemic like you. Don't you don't really guestroom what you're not supposed to be having guest. I thought that simple solution was to bring the you know the crib into your own bedroom. When you have gas rate and just eliminate the whole problem. But i understand that there might be the guests. That are the problem right over there in their party. And keep his kids up. Eric and once again. I'm sure that was not helpful at all. But it's a hard thing to sell on. Yeah that's a tough one. I think your best bet is to try and separate the two spaces with some kind of mass loaded vinyl in that stud cavity. That's being used as a return It's it's there's no easy answer to that one. Hello h. b. podcasts. I heard somewhere. This is from our friend. Doug horgan i heard somewhere on the inner tubes that the code is changing to allow universal. One step glue on. Pvc drain lines. I've also had conversations. In the past where some enterprising plumber was trying to save five minutes by the primer on. Pvc pipe is the co changing. And if you're very risk averse and one atop job should you stick to using a purple primer anyway. E- is it better good question. Doug so my understanding is the twenty fifteen irc did allow you to stop using Primer on pvc solvent welded joints for pipes that were non pressurized and smaller than four inches in diameter. And doug. if you want to read along it is provisioned p. Three zero zero three point. Nine point two and that's in the plumbing section. Obviously and that's where you'll find details about that matt didn't you dive into this with a q. And a. i don't remember that one. No matt don't you think you should dive into this for acumen. Probably should yeah. I mean. I don't know what inspectors are looking for. Lost you brian. What's going on with your sound muted. Would you say brian. I said the problem is that we usually go to doug for answers. Plumbers are still using primer. Because i think it makes for a better connection right. It's it's it's actually softening the plastic so the cement does a more A deeper bond is is how i understand. It is the chemistry of it and my making that. I don't think you're making that up. But i mean the fact that they're you know it's limited in its use. You know you can get away without using primer for certain connections but not others. I think that's because you know. Some of those connections are you know. If you're talking about non pressure connections so you know it's not gonna waste and vents as vital because you know it's all going one direction like it's not like it's under pressure it's under risk of seeping out through those joints. Necessarily they a lot of that stuff. You might be able to get away without glue as long as it's held together. Somehow you could tape around still work podcast listeners. Do not listen to matt you have to do your drain waste. Vets don't want to definitely want to. is it. really. A huge time saver to not use primer. No no no. it's silly. It's silly not to do it. But i know some plumbers. Don't like the massive. They think it detracts from their their work right. It looks messy. But i think if you get good at it you make less mass ice everywhere. Use the painter's tape. Yes these people just are not willing to take the time to make it look right no. It's messy mess up. Yeah i think the short answer is the code has changed you don't necessarily have to use the purple primer on your wvu system. But i think your local inspector is not necessarily going to be on board. And that's you know that's where the rubber hits the road right. Is you have to be permitted by your local Official to do whatever. Yeah what are they gonna do. Start coloring the glue. Like how do you even know that the glue the joint is connected at all if you're an inspector or a plumber. I mean it's really easy to get you know. Going a bunch of fittings skip line rate. You take a phone call you take your lunch break or whatever like for me. I mean you could see the glue but it's definitely not as obvious as the purple primer. I learned in researching this a little bit. Yesterday that there is also clear primer and some places you're allowed to use that with some inspectors and that solves the messiness that some plumbers dislike who this comes from susanna. hey podcast. I'm an early career building envelope on engineer in boston. Have you guys ever heard of this building envelope engineer. I have heard of building envelope specialists and building envelope engineer. Is i think though mostly in commercial construction that might be what susannah does. I'm not sure. I love listening to your podcasts. At work during drafting projects. So i can learn more about my field test my knowledge also. I've been really appreciating the variety of voices in your pro talk. I'm not a homeowner. But a friend asked for my expert opinion about supporting a countertop recently. So i thought it would reach out to you. My friend has a new homeowner has been trying for months to get their dishwasher installed next to their existing cabinets. They finally figured out how to install an end panel themselves. After no contractor. The buffalo area would take on a job that small they purchase them butcherblock to go over the dishwasher. But are now being told that there is no way to install it without replacing the entire adjacent. Countertop you can see the photo that a new piece of countertop would currently only be supported on one side by the end panel which is a no go for obvious. Reasons by friend understands this now but is hoping to figure out a way to support the new peace without replacing. What's already there on the existing cabinets. Is this situation hopeless. I was thinking that they might be able to mirror the end panel next to the existing cabinet so the new p. supported like an island but they are thinking that some kind of l. brackets might work like a floating shelf as someone who's studied structural engineering. I have my doubts about finding a bracket that is up to the task of supporting a heavy dynamically loaded countertop especially one small enough to allow a dishwasher fit underneath any ideas or should my friend resign themselves to a full countertop replacement. I'm not sure this feels fulfils. The fine and fine home building but my friend does genuinely care about their home and wants to do their best. If it helps spark some interest their home also features yankee gutters which i use the f. h. b. website to help them look up after their inspection. What are yankee gutters. Is that where the board sticks up or they box cutters built in gutters. I've does that. V v-shaped wooden gutter Maybe i should look that up. In fine home building should be referring built in gutters so that are within the roof line so that they can disappear. Yeah that's what. I was thinking but i didn't even look it up. That was my assumption with with those ones that are sort of in the roof. Almost and yeah. I heard a couple of things described as yankee gutters and like you guys. We call them. Box cutters and pittsburgh built into the eve right and then lined with usually ten. Yep and the other thing. I've seen her like a two by four put on edge. That's put on the eve and wrapped in ten. You know and that's a bad idea in any place it's no is because it's just holding snow and ice on the roof right anyway. You know i've done this thing recently. You guys may have noticed in my kitchen remodel. I left the existing counter top. But i wanted to add another drawer base. So what i did. Is i screwed a clete to the existing panel that supports one end of the countertop and then on the other end is the plywood that holds a plywood end panel the holds up the other end. And you're my has a cabinet in there but it would be the same if you put a dishwasher in there and i think if you've got some heavy l. bracket like the kind that is used to hold up the tracks for garage doors with a bunch of holes in it. Screw that to the existing end panel underneath the countertop hold up one side and then it's then so the dishwasher wouldn't would still be able to fit in their thinking was just like aluminum angle like a one by one angle in there and just screw it to the side of that cabinet and it will carry that other end just fine and the thing that made me think about that is michael. Maine's did something like that on a on a project that was in the magazine. I don't know three or four issues ago. Maybe a thank so it wasn't the exact same thing but it was in an island where they needed to. I can't remember a dishwasher or a range or something like that in there but it was the same concept. What do you think brian. yeah Seems really obvious to me. Just glue and screw to that to the jason cabinet. Neil in the only. It seems so obvious to me that i wondered. If maybe that this space there was no tolerance therefore the dishwasher needed all that space. If that's the case then i still think by matches said i still think a bracket would do fine there. You know metal brackets superstrong ends and it needs to an so. Yeah i think it either. One of those solutions should work. What do you think jeff. My only concern is what that end panel on. That cabinet is made of plywood. It inch plywood Right so you're saying if you wanna screw in metal bracket to the panel the existing cabinet. It'd better be something sturdy enough to hold it and if it's quarter inch plywood that's probably not going to do it right without without backing it up with something else right. Yeah and then you can just glue a piece of like half inch or three quarter plywood strip in there to screw into yeah and maybe cleared on the back wall to I totally think cleared on the back. Wall is is great because now you're supporting two sides very well rate. Yeah yeah susannah. Thank you for that all right. Here's here's a question that might have an answer and this comes from patrick in sandy. Hook days only no one pattern. So i don't know if you guys have seen the back of my house. But i have a mosque problem on my shingles and it's not over the entire roof but on half of it it shaded by a huge help a tree that is my moby dick of vegetation in my landscape but The mosque is unsightly. And i wondered if it's also damaging the roof. So i emailed my buddy diani plot key every services and i said well you guys tell clients who were concerned about the moss on their roofs. And here's what he wrote back. The first thing we tell customers who have moss on their roof is to leave it while may cause an aesthetic issue on on on in the most severe cases or in the worst condition. Roosts does it. Cause a watertight issue usually the cur- cur- cure is worse than the disease. So he's saying getting it off. There is more likely to damage the shingles than just leaving it alone that said when customers insists we recommend copper or strips if they have the patients or a low pressure power-washing with the understanding that it must be sprayed from the top down and may cause damage. We've never tried spray in. Forget so this was my girton suggestion which is a home center product. It's a comes in a bottle and it's uniting with water. Yeah it works well right. It worked well for me for killing them off but it didn't remove them us. See you had brown moss than on your roof instead of green moss. Probably as revolting moss in the first place new. Gif shingles since they bought elk. A few years ago are much better than they used to be. also. I've heard wonderful things about the forms of atlas shingles with scotchgard. Yes scotchgard from three m. We've only installed a handful over the years as most customers have higher priorities than moss but my distributor swear by atlas shingles when moss is an issue on another another no. I'm eager to read the recent issue months recent article on slate. I'm hoping guys got it right. You have to tell us the army. I'm sure you will. He'll be sure to tell us. So you've had this problem brian. Yeah and you know. Interestingly i had a roof that when i bought the house had a tremendous amount the north north facing roof which i always a lesson in in how roofs performed with different exposures. Because we had bought the house. With probably a i don't know maybe a maybe a twenty year old roof on it and the south facing pitch. They get sunlight for a good part of the day was in great shape. Pi add another twenty years left and the north facing pitch shade was covered with moss. The shingles were curled. The reflect the Look terrible look like need to be replaced immediately that that's it. I didn't replace it immediately. Has for quite a long time without doing anything about the moss and never had a leak or a problem due to the mosque. I i just didn't remove it because my intention was to replace the roof. It just didn't happen very quickly I did replace the roof with Eventually i did replace the with with new shingles and ignorantly didn't do anything about the fact that moscow on the roof and i knew that that was gonna happen. I didn't put in any zinc copper strips or anything like that. And i didn't use a you know a product with microbial protection and i had not no time instantly. I think i was. I was putting in the top course in the moss was growing up the roof. That's i tried the product. And like i said it might experience. Was that it with the mosques than i had that the died but but didn't it was gonna take some sort of you know some sort of physical efforts to remove it from the roof which points do exactly what what down he's talking about. Is that effort. Damages the shingles. It's really hard to to scrub or scrape shingle without scraping away. The grandmas granules surface. Yeah i'm pretty sure. I could get mine off with a push broom. But like when i've been up there cleaning the gutters i've poked pieces of it and you can pull it off readily but like you said it pulls off the granules and that's not right. That's the sun protection and pollution protection that for the shingle. It's the wear layer. If you will. Yeah do you have moss on your roof. Matt do you care. I don't have any on this roof. It's relatively new is put in twenty sixteen. I think the year before we bought the house. So i have noticed any yet but we. It's relatively slow low slope roof. The house faces directly south and the north side. I mean we definitely get a lot of stuff on the On the siding on the north side. And i spray that with and forget all the time but Y'all last for you. I have been doing it pretty much every year. I would say it doesn't last a year probably and you're citing is vinyl right. Yeah yeah but yeah it gets all green and funky jeff. You have a lot of tree cover on the back of your house. Do you have moss algae growing on your roof shingles Yeah i do too. I bet you're not liking it. No up do you intend to do anything about it. No not really. I mean i hopefully get another ten years out of the roof. Almost twenty years old. So would you use one of these shingle products for the reroof. I would definitely think about it. Yeah i should've asked yami if there is a big price difference between you conventional shingles and these others. That are better at this problem dealing better at dealing with this problem. I can't it can't be too much difference. I'm guessing so. What are you guys have planned for your projects. You go first. Jeff do you have anything upcoming No not really almost projects big and expensive. So they're all told. How about you. Matt still working on that project. Got back to that so bill. Most of the doors for the cabinets. I there's just one door left to build big But all small one. So i got a paint those this weekend. So are you working in your garage woodshop. Have you got that. That setup towards a functional workspace. Well i'm using it. I wouldn't say it's necessarily functional exactly because there's so much stuff. Every time i use a tool. I have to move a bunch of stuff to be able to access it. And i only put in one to forty volt receptacle. So you know. I've got three tools at need it so actually last weekend made myself To forty extension cord. So that. I can run that you can leave your in the same place but plumbing. Yeah so that was fun but it works fine. Give us up panel in there. Yeah there is. I don't know. I still got to figure out what's going on that sub panel. There's like a fifty amp breaker going to. I don't know what. So that's your table. Saw not get right. Note while i i put in another breaker for the four the table saw circuit but there was an existing fifty am. I don't know where. I don't know what it could possibly go to so i know it's not to the well there's another. There's another breaker. In the main panel for that. But well that would be an insanely huge pump. Ray fifty amps is like maybe they had a welder or something like that you know. That's that's a lot of juice. It's possible i haven't found the receptacle or whatever it goes to yet. I haven't traced it so we'll we'll find eventually. So there's drywall or some kind of Paneling and that's face the most of the garage is drywalled. So that's kind of nice that's going to make it more comfortable in there. Yeah except it's most well. The one wall that is like has the most exposure mostly isn't drywalled and there's no. There's no drywall on the ceiling. And it's a event assembly so it's pretty much as cold as it is outside. Do you have plans to cover the ceiling. Yeah it's just trying to figure out exactly how i'm going to do that because you know it's twenty six foot span and you know that's the ties that are in there. The where the ceiling joists i guess are space four foot center so i can't really attach drywall to it safely. And so you know. I gotta find some other twenty six foot. Two by sixes. That's a challenge. I love you. Get that these days so i think you buy. Lv al right. Yeah yup well bryan. You've got anything planned for the weekend. Some some rest from this from the last couple of weeks and then probably probably more work. That's that's how it goes. Yeah well i appreciate all of our the folks who send in questions to the podcast today and you know throughout the year. It's how we do the show and so if y'all have a question be sure to send them in. If you have any comments on the show that to it's we pay attention to everything y'all send in and i apologize if you don't hear from us we just there's this too much respond to every piece of email that we get but know that we are listening and paying attention so yeah in article ideas. I can't tell kids him to tell people enough readers and listeners that you know our articles come from they come from our audience. Often they come from people out in the field doing the work so If you if you've ever thought about about wanting to write an article for us or like the idea of it the in touch we want to hear from you amen. 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#362: Effective Tarping, Saggy Ceilings, and Cracks that Wont Go Away

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#362: Effective Tarping, Saggy Ceilings, and Cracks that Wont Go Away

"So i would look at that. You know when he asked is there. Something that He's totally overlooking somewhat hesitant to tell tom because he's a retired. Engineer is to just live with a crack. Welcome to the fine home building. Podcast our weekly discussion of building remodeling and design topics aimed at anybody who cares deeply about the craft science and working on houses. It's a senior editor. Patrick mccaw today. I'm joined by. Deputy editor matinal hem. How's it going editorial director. Brian ponta willow. Everyone and are fantastic. Producer jeff rose your morning you could find previous podcast and check out the show notes at fine home. Building dot com slash podcast. Email your questions to f. hp podcast at taunton dot com. Thanks for being here guys. Did you even notice that. Screwed up the intro. But we will just move right along matt. What are you doing with your time. I haven't seen you for a while. Yeah well you know. Ever since. I broke my. I'm kind of on light duty. But i was trying to get back into that breezeway project that i started more than a year ago. And haven't finished. You know i take the jeff method as long as it's not finished you can't complain about alex bleda. Yeah one of the main things i needed to do with dig out Some of the wood for sort of top of these cabinets I had gotten was butternut. So i bought this stuff last spring. I probably bought that about a year ago. And you know not long after that. My parents sold their house. And i had to move out all of this would for my dad's shop outside and everything and so that that stuff that i had bought ended up buried underneath all that so i spent a couple hours pulling out. Roughly thirteen hundred board feet of lumber to gravy would get by boards from the bottom of this very gingerly like trying not to re-injure my tell so yeah. That was fun. So i've never worked with butter. Let's butternut like to work with. Es it's extremely soft like it's not something you would really wanna use for a tabletop or anything like that but it is really pretty This stuff is i. Don't know if it was like a downer log or what kind of busy altered something that had fallen in the woods and got dragged out. I mean it'd probably wasn't. It was probably just a tree that was rotting standing up a little bit. There's a lot of holes and stuff in it but it looks beautiful. It looks really good but it's it is soft. It's pretty easy to machine. So yeah so. This stuff is in the in the rough. I presume yea this is completely roughs on. Do you like to do. the you know. Finishing of boards Now that i have a six foot joyner yeah now. It's nice and a fifteen inch. Wed planner before. When i was doing the same thing with a four-foot slightly under four foot Joint or and a much smaller plainer. No not as much. Yeah i find. I've i've found that part of the process to be really kind of nice and soothing. Word quinn i dunno. Why but when when you the right equipment like when i is it that appeals to you brian curves. That can be part of it. The muffles steph annoys whether your ear protection on. It's kind of like white noise. But you haven't woodworking shop to work. And i always love milling once you have that everything else is just a pale comparison. Yeah right 'cause like why would you do you like that. Jeff do like surfacing boards. I'm haven't actually done it a whole lot to bring you my plainer and you can try it out i have. I have a plain air small winter. But i haven't done it you all. What's nice about that to me is like getting really nice boards from the lumber yard right stuff that you can't you know. Get it to home center overdeliver but like as far as the you know zan of finishing boards. I don't quite get that. It seems like a lot of hard work and lifting and moving in you know and then they twist and cup and all kinds of stuff afterward. Anyway yeah we're back to the back to the butternut per second i did. I've never worked with button. But i did finish a butternut kitchen once and it it was this it it not only was it Did it have kind of to look. You're talking about that. But it also had wormholes In i believe is a long time ago. But i believe we finished with warlocks or a water locks mixture and it was gorgeous when it was like really stunned. Yeah no looks beautiful One part that. I did finish already. 'cause you know those products projects going on for a while and so it. It started with one bank of cabinets and then moved on to some other stuff and I i just used floor on it trying to give it a try to get something that would last because it is so soft. Yep so that construction with this butter not yet or are you still getting into stuff prepped. A yeah i haven't even started the prep i. All i did was moved the wood and by the time i was done with that i think partly because i haven't been doing any sort of heavy lifting for a while back was killing me. I was like this. I've got a little tweak. In my back i was like that's it done for the day but fortunately was right at the end. Wow that's I can't wait to see how that shapes up man. That sounds fun so you have to get all the stuff cleared out of there again. I presume out of your breezeway. And i had sort of started to tackle that too so that's mostly cleared out a lot of what's been in. There has just been empty boxes. You know ordering everything all this cat food and dog for the last year at i mean i i you know. Break down the boxes and recycle them or you know. Burn them but over. The last year or last year lasts two months. I think we've had a burn band so that just stopped so now. I'm back to burning boxes. 'cause the recycling i i don't think they've been doing anything with you know like they haven't been shipping this stuff off the china like they had been for recycling so i think it just ends up in a landfill so i i worry about that. I i see the volume of cardboard boxes that my neighbors put out at the transfer station. I love this. See in some resource. How much packaging. We've started using since the outbreak has. I'm sure it's significant ba. Bom yeah versus what it was jeff. What you've been doing Rearranging my garage last weekend. That sounds like a very spring thing to do man. I got a friend of mine. Gave me a mechanic's tool chest. So i needed the kind of find a space for it. How exciting is so now. I have two of them side by side one metric and one standard. I thought about doing that. But i don't really have enough of either to really justify that while you just have to buy more tools. That clearly a solution. That's that's the thing. This is my new pride and joy. I saw matt geiger on the show. Because i want to bring this over to your place and try and get those disc brake calipers off the vibe. You still have that car. I do still have that. The one that i was having trouble getting them off of those. My old subaru. I eventually did get him off. I have tried taking him off. The the vibe may need that cause less than i had to say about miss my little half inch impact wrench and it's like four inches deep and i can't wait to try that thing on something i i haven't used it yet. I don't wanna get it dirty brian. You're taking a piece of art. It is beautiful. Taiwanese made cost a little over one hundred bucks. Allegedly has four hundred and twenty five foot pounds of torque so that should do most things. I guess i can't wait to try it out. That just means. I get dirty and fix something. Though influence as a as a non mechanic. I have a question. Sure so My understanding that a lot of mechanical work you have to measure the torque that you fasten things to ensure can you do that with a pneumatic impact wrench. No no no you. Typically you tighten it to a certain point by you know intuition with an impact who and then you have to go back with a torque wrench into the torch for the right pressure in. Some things are tightened. Incrementally like you may have three torque settings that you work up to gradually you know what i mean. You don't tighten one bowl to the finish. Torque you tighten them all to a a a lower tour and then an intermediate to work and then all of the final torque special show on cars mechanic stuff. Just just get it out of your system. No because it's the fine home building a few people. Well have a good time. Oh my god. I got so much to talk about a few guests and i. It's funny something. I've gotten into later in life. I didn't like working on cars when i was younger. 'cause i just didn't have the experience or patients. It's something that you need to learn to do where you end up breaking things and it's very frustrating takes longer and costs more sometimes then feta just taken it to get it fixed but once you've learned the how break things and you stop doing it. Then it's more fun brian. Do you wanna talk briefly about your condo. What's going on nothing nothing now. It's over a so looking will start again in Will start again in a few weeks. whatever whatever that looks like i don't know but you know i was a part of you is excited about. This was going to be an excellent place to live in in. You know an in place to live the way that it seemed like it was going to ask a place to live the way we have a thinking that we'll be living for the next few years but at the same time you know the idea that i get We get to keep looking. And it's just as exciting and the idea that you know that the downside of condo living for me was that there be nothing for me to do to the condo and the upside of looking is that i decided to look at wrecks and imagine what i would do if i get back into that so are there are things to look at even here in some places. There is just no inventory. Well right now. We're we're just decided to put it on pause because of some timing things It'll probably be starting back Starting back up in about a month or so and we'll just have to kind of monitor the market but yeah. That's one of the big. That's one of the reasons why prices are where they are in why people are paying all cash an over asking prices. Because there's like. I don't know if it's a historically low inventory but it certainly lower inventories bannon in recent times there's just a lot on the market. So that changes. I think prices will will stabilize combine a little bit to more reasonable will. I'm going to appeal to our listeners. Who might be in that area and might have some property to sell that. You're looking and you guys offer. Send him brian. Oh my goodness so. We heard from tom in carbondale colorado. Hey f h podcasters. I was listening to number three fifty six and several topics. Prompt meter right. Especially since i was working on. Veneer panel for the remodel. that. I'm finishing i'm assyria remodeler by avocation. So i get to do a lot of things once in a while. Some things i get pretty good at concrete counters and are good examples dry while not so much i also see my imperfect imperfections every time. I walked by one of them. I've decided that a strategically placed piece of furniture. Knickknack or picture are a great help. I was i woke. I also felt compelled to comment on the discussion on radiant floor heat since her modeling has been so much fun. I decided to build an entire house. My wife's desire to have her horse on the property may have had something to do. With this decision. I will hire everything to get dried in then. It will mostly be me except for the drywall. I am the architect on the project as well. I decided to put in radiant floor. He even though my goal is to close to net zero on this billed as possible. Mostly aided by a grid tied fifteen kilowatt. Tv array air-to-air heat pump air sealing and better than code insulation. You discussed on the podcast. About how a well insulated house would not offer the nice warm floor that people expect with radiant heat. I fully expect. This is one benefit. That seems to go unmentioned for me. It is worth the extra expense of an cool floor. I hate four stare or anything that requires mechanical movement of air in my house. I live in colorado at seventy two hundred feet elevation. The nights are cool so no. Ac is required. I looked at mini splits. But just can't get past the fact that i will have to deal with fan blowing warm air around all winter. Long on the same vein. There's been quite a bit of hawk and forms magazine etc about triple glaze. European tilt turn windows clearly. They are very efficient and expensive but they open into the interior space. Great for getting a really tight seal. But why would i want to give up space in front of the window. No table with plans or furniture or counter can really put in front of that kind of window. My house will have nine foot ceiling. So that is one hundred sixty. Two cubic feet of unusable space in front of a three foot window. One of my missing windows in my house are open most evenings and closed during the day from late spring to early fall. I decided to go with triple casement awning windows as a result. That's more like a rant than i intended. Thanks for the great podcast. The final commentary about the the chiltern windows is such a good one. I would it would be great to hear from you. Know some architects in. Maybe maybe we can reach out to Like emily maw trauma in in maine who uses them all the time and just get some thoughts on what. What did they do differently. about the same thing and made a lot of sense to me either like you can't put any furniture there. Yeah i think the answer is people. Don't open their windows. I mean you control now. Just this is true. Yeah but i mean not. Every window in the house has to be operable either. I mean you. can you know. Have a fixed window in between or next to one of these eight till turns. But i mean yeah i mean it's a good point i mean because you know i lived with these for a long time and i i remember specifically having like a sort of a. I don't know it was like a dining nook in the last house. I lived in and it had two of those till turns at the end of it and i could not put anything on the end of the table because of that you know and you couldn't like have it situated with a chair there because then you couldn't open the windows with the person there or if the windows were open with a person there they might slam into him or whatever so you know it is. It is a legitimate concern. Sort of you know. I mean i think it's it's a legitimate concern it. Especially if you're if you're designing or remodeling you know think about it but if you think about it should be problem like it's just another kind of aspect of how you have to designed the building. I've not thought about that at all or talk to anyone about it. So i think it'd be interesting to hear like how they think through that. Yeah i think one thing. That's a little bit. i don't know like mind. Boggling about it. Is that european wall. Assemblies tend to be a lot thicker. So you end up with these like really deep sales that just like beg to have stuff put on them and you can't with these types of windows and the other thing that's a little weird is even though they open in. There's typically no screens on those. I don't know if your opinions just like living with bugs or what but it's just like there's so many things that were probably used to you know as americans having screens on windows that they don't have or you know consider including in. Some of these may be different in the the versions they sell in the us. I don't know but that always kind of bugged me. I wanna know. I love the discussion of Tilton windows to. I think that's something we should definitely pursue further. I wanna combat on radiant floor. He yeah so if you don't want forced air and get that kinda You know what about radiant panels like sonia baron taste. Am i saying that right. Brian from ripcord engineering talks about their projects. That use these panels and you get that radiant worming. But they cost less and they're more efficient than a floor system. And i don't know if you've got a low load house and you want to be you can't be running pumps is is the thing i keep hearing over and over again and i don't know if you need with these radiant panels my assumption is you do but i think they're moving a lot less water so the pump smaller but what. I don't know about it as a lot of those. Are those circulator pumps for really consuming that much energy. Yeah yeah yeah because of static right. It's physically pushing the water through a bunch of pipe and yet they have you know motor electric motor on there. That's least one hundred watts and if you're trying to be net zero that's that's a big load. I wanted to try one of those One of those radiator panels in The bathroom that remodeled in my last house It just made a cost a price decision not to do it because the the baseboard heating was already there so i was gonna just run the the plumbing to the wall panel but I decided against. But i was really curious to see how it would work. I was curious about one of the ones that incorporates. The towel warmer integrated seems. That's cool idea for a bathroom. Only so they have those in electric versions and they also have these panel. Radiators that are electric. That are like build into the drywall for lack of a better description. And you don't see anything it's just like its surface but you obviously have to be careful not to put your pictures Hangers too so tom. Thanks for the feedback. All good stuff. And i like your suggestion of just putting knickknack in front of your bad carpentry high all. I think tom's question about living at home. You've worked on strikes a chord with anyone who has worked on their own house and cares about quality. I remember lying on the sofa and our old house and looking at the plaster. Ceiling i patched. I could see the outline of the mesh. Drywall tape by used. I had to remind myself that other people wouldn't be staring at the ceiling by first major project on the house was in one thousand nine hundred eighty three when i didn't complete gut remodel on our bathroom looking back. My biggest accomplishments was that i did my own plumbing including the new drain. Waste vent lines however those things were not visible. What i stress over was my tile job in the shower. This was then standard. Four by four ceramic tile. It was a struggle to keep all the lines perfectly straight and all the tile flat across the wall as you mentioned in the podcast. I started really looking at the tile jobs in commercial restrooms and felt much better if after building our new house there many finnish areas where i wished i had done a better job at the time. I just wanted to get it done. I keep thinking about redoing some things but after eleven years. It doesn't bother me as much if someone wants to get picky about the fit of the doors or the miters on the baseboard corners. They can leave. i think that's it. I mean i would say from my own experience. You really know when you should be doing a better job. I just gotta get this done. I can't spend any more time on this well and when you feel that you're not done the best job that's when you need to keep working at it i would say or you'll regret it later or you remember. That let reminds me of a comment that i believe. It was rodney as our director made one time when he was talking about. I think it was rodney I don't want to put the words in rodney's mother wasn't him but he was talking. Someone was at work was talking about a trip project Just on exactly this. How they were not happy with the results results with their proportions iraqis. Calmer was just don't invite mary. Ain't you solder so. We asked folks about their experience with global. Which is easily the best product name ever and we heard from our friend mason lower hudson valley preservation. Hey f. gang use glove on the as my under slab installation on my unity home an eighteen hundred square foot zoom zoom. You guys now zone is it. Zum no idea. Anyways they're modern house. It's it's really it's really attractive The material cost of the glove was about twenty five percent more than installed sheet foam labor to install the global was in addition. The material does come from europe. A burlington vermont company is importing it in planning a us manufacturing facility. They were a pleasure to work with rob conroy. The us global ceo would be happy to talk about the material. Here that rob. You're getting called out so getting ready for global calls so the thing other thing that mason says it's big like some of the pieces are bigger than two inches. So i don't know if. I would want to try and compact that i would want to know that going in that it was going to be different than just like three quarter inch stone so anyone else has their experience with gravel. I'd love to hear about it. I wonder if those pieces kind of break up as they're getting compacted when they're that big. I mean there's just area glass right into into place. So i'll put the photos that mason sent us up on the podcast page. But it's it's doesn't look like gravel. It looks like asphalt chunks to me And some of them are really big. I don't know it has has an r. value. Yeah got in trained. Aaron it right. You want like the actual volume ryan founder on on on a website called fine homebuilding dot com which seven percents great. No one point seven brench. That's not as great. That's i mean what's cool about it is. It's recycle material. Yeah for sure okay. Well thanks for that mason as always any other folks out there who have used phone glass or global love to hear your reports on that this comes from another doug. Being my background was awesome. Almost exclusively residential new construction framing for custom homes all over the greater toronto area. As i've launched into my own work. I've come a cost more remodeling jobs that require And covering now at some stage the job. It's easy but when you've taken the roof off got a few walls up rich beem no rafters. And a storm is brewing. What does the best harping solution from demo floor. Walls can sometimes be a week or more and our weather. Reports are notoriously inaccurate. How do you recommend protecting a house being renovated from a storm at this stage. Can you all please discuss good targeting strategy. Doug wow what a great question. It only has to go sideways before you take it really seriously right. Yeah i think you're on one of those jobs right. Yeah i was absolutely was. And i've done this myself anatomy level and pour in on my bedroom while i was sleeping in it so someone else should go. I obviously i mean probably the gold standard for something like this would be to hold around the structure and you know tarp over it. And i think you've been on jobs like that too. I mean that's probably the most expensive solution but the most sort of foolproof is to basically create a structure outside the structure If possible i mean you may change your sequencing. You know not have to tarp it all if you're if you're if it's possible to put on a roof over the existing roof or Do the roof before you do the interior and then you know sort of work undercover dryden as soon as you possibly can part of it right. We're finally just yeah it just change the order that you do things it can add a lot. You know some extra steps. But i mean it can avoid a lot of headaches down the road if you're able to do that and i realize you're not able to do that on everything but i mean think of ways to get around having to rely on tarps doug suggests though there are some parts of that construction process when you're adding level or adding a warmer that you know you just have to tarp there are just you know admittedly you wanna keep it as quickly the time as brief as possible but there are some stages where you have to temporarily keep the house dry. Yeah i mean and some things i was thinking of. If you're gonna be putting a new roof on you don't eat a lot of pitch to be able to direct water away so if you're able just to like set. The new rich beem on the walls and then tarp over that you know that's enough slope. Probably i mean. I think five percent slope will get you about twenty two feet. Roughly on either side of two by twelve so are not on either side total Which may be enough slow and then you know you just gotta really secure that that tarp to the walls below and i mean. There are easy ways to do that. I mean you can just sort of wrap the ends of the tarp in a in sort of strapping in like a one by four and then sandwich another one on it and screw it and you know you can roll it up. You know when you need to work on it and roll it down really easily. Gravity takes care of that and that you can just screw to the wall. I agree brian. Your thoughts I don't. I don't know that. I have a tons of thoughts on this. The two things that jumped to my mind were Were fascinating a up fascinating long boards to the ends of the tarp. I it makes it number one. It makes it easy to get the tarp nice and tight and held in place but also when you do need to roll it up. It makes it really a nice thing to kinda help you with that. You know you have something to be working around in so that works really well. I used on one project. I use a little bit of weight that i can hang over the edge edges of the roof. Just kinda help hold a tarp. Type Ready you. That was that was like this. We did a roofing article many years ago now. A reroofing article and one of the rivers pieces of advice was have a have a big carpet the back behind the truck. You got to have what you need ready And then this isn't targeting but one of the things that comes in one thing that comes in really handy for protecting openings are big pieces of rigid fall in or maybe not on roofs but like when you had like doors out of out of buildings and windows out of buildings in if you're running into not run out of time in the day or whatever you don't get done you're gonna get. It's really easy to take a piece of a big piece of rigid. Foam up over like plywood. Heavy exact lightweight it stays in place and so that. That's also something that i've used in. I found to come in really handy. I say doug you can't go home at five o'clock sometimes if you can get a ridge up all of a sudden your job is so much easier with regard to harping. If you're trying to tarp a floor without walls or any pitch to it forget about it right so you know it might be a long day and nothing is going to save you from you know a thunderstorm that blows up and has high winds right so you you better have like. Brian says a tarp ready. And you better tie it down way more than you think. You need to the coughing. I was just thinking of so mike. Michael patterson who a remodeler in maryland recently wrote in with a tip to find home building. And when he asked to do this he gets a big rubbermaid. Trash barrel puts it on a post and then throws the tarp over that and the trash barrel disperses the types of the piece of lumber. The post doesn't poke through it and it kind of creates a nice drape over. You know someone's dorm edition. So i thought that was pretty smart. I think if you can get the ridge up and even better a few rafters to help. Hold the tarp up. it's so much better than trying to tarp something flat okay. So you got any thoughts on this jeff Just you know. Just even yes some sort orig- it's just a temporary structure just to get some kind of pitch to some allegation. That's bottom line Scott from boston rights hello. Fhd podcast the ceiling. One of the small second floor bedrooms and my eighteen. Ninety s era mansard roofed. Boston home has a pronounced dip in the center. It looks like the original plaster is still well attached to the laugh but the added weight of a second cosmetic ceiling surface has called the slender one by six ceiling choice to sag and enter to. I've received conflicting opinions from contractors about what to do. Should we jack up the middle of the room and install a strong back in the attic perpendicular to the joyce sister joyce fasten the joyce near the middle of the room to the rafter above with a king. Post cut out the old ceiling and start fresh at least one caught. Tractor refused to consider jacking the ceiling up for fear of breaking something else in the house. Unfortunately i need to do something. Because i recently installed a ceiling mounted mini split cassette which must be perfectly level and so currently it cannot sit flush with the ceiling. Thanks scott boy. So i don't think we have enough information but so you think that's up. Start cutting around in their math to figure out what's going on. I think probably. I getting contractors in there to look at. It might be the wrong place to start. I might get a structural engineer and there to see what needs to happen to figure out what loads are on those joists. Like if they're acting as you know as some kind of other restraint for the i imagine. I mean this is a mansard roofs. Augment those are those are the holding the top of the roof together as well more than likely So i wouldn't just go start cutting that out willy. Nilly knew that would be bad. yeah So yeah i mean you may have to sequence. You know the way replace him. I would probably take it out and and do a new one personally rather than rely on those one by hager gonna fast strong back to those without splitting them out because that's pretty narrow but Yeah and and the idea of jacking. That i mean depending on how much force is needed. You're probably gonna have to get a load path all the way down to the basement. And my don't destroy that. Mr ray It's not survive to move it slowly enough that you're going to avoid cracking that now i mean if that's behind this other finish ceiling whatever eight. I have no idea what this thing looks like It's really hard to say but it seems like the the best solution is to do something new rather than try to repair. What's there but that's just me. I think i would put stretches. String up there on the top side of the ceiling joists and see what's going on so there is a real deflection them or if something else is at work at a minimum. I would be tempted to Fasten steel light gauge steel. Joyce or studs to the side of the thing still enjoys to make level ceiling if that was your only intent but they're definitely structural elements with regard to the ceiling with the style of house. points out. what do you think brian. You're not going to not. I don't think you're at risk of sister'd beefier joycean in place that that's not something that would be concerning right That you simply know that you're strengthening what's there So the question. You know the if that were the if that were the route. It chose to go than did that. Would it be to concerning to me as a in terms of in terms of the structure In trying to just thinking through this trying to trying to flatten out the ceiling. If you're if you're beefing up the structure and you try to flatten out the ceiling and ceiling cracks or you have repairs to do. I mean the other options taking ceiling. Act so it's not like you're adding work right. It's you might. You might be lessening the work. Spend those. Those repairs are doable If the the cracks the cracks repairable but yeah it is. It's always the it's always the case a new collateral damage when you try to fix charlotte mood. Yeah when you to a an existing structure into a different position. Though i met. That's always that's always a real possibility but again. I don't think you can go wrong by by beefing up with these sister lumber to it or or like each deal to it on the ground by beefing up the joys. I think there's a whole different approach you could take with this to what about. You know a tapered extension gm to allow this ceiling cassette to look better in the ceiling. I mean you have to have some expectation that old houses are going to have some weird conditions and this house has been there since thirties right. Isn't that what we've learned So i mean if it's not already cracking if it's deflected that much in it's not in things aren't already cracking. Maybe maybe it's going to stay there for awhile. Eighteen nineties. it's fine. It's some engineers gonna tell me like totally wrong about that. There's inherent flaws and a mansard roof system from this era and ticking time bomb. There's lots of around though. I mean they're not falling down. I learned one time. And i don't know if it's true but the so that walls which are sloped on a mansard style roof right. It's usually has. He sloped walls doors dormer windows. And then there's usually like a little pyramidal hipped roof on top of this but those walls even though they're angled are like for engineering purposes Out as straight yeah. It doesn't matter. Yeah how's that work matt. Well i think this is largely. I think it's a code. I think also considers them walls at that you know whatever angle or whatever they're at an. I don't know that it's still obviously a roof. I mean it's still relies on basically the rafter ties. I think to kind of hold it up. You know it's like you're basically building a trust it's essentially just a gambro roof but it has you know it it. You're you're gambling all all around it rather than just on one side of it so it's warm roof one. No okay here. We go so dear fine home building crew. I'm working my way forward through all the podcasts. I met one seventy and moving forward. Thanks for an educational and entertaining program. We have twenty two hundred square foot brick clad wood-frame one and a half story. Lakefront house built in one thousand nine hundred. Forty eight located in white lake michigan north west of detroit. The upper floor is mostly built into the roof on the front elevation with thirty two inch wall since buying the house in two thousand twelve. We've been fighting a crack. That appears under the knee wall on the living room ceiling. The living room is under large guest bedroom above and has to buy ten ceiling. Joyce on sixteen and senators under the upper floor spanning just under fourteen feet. The knee wall in that bedroom is about forty eight inches in from the outside wall. With a large dormer window in the center of an eighteen foot long wall the floors were recently refinished their original oak throughout over three quarter inch pine sub floor. Set on a forty five degree angle. The ceiling and walls are plaster over gypsum board. Typical for that time. The plaster is held up well as the original builder was reportedly a masonry contractor and the foundation is solid typically. The crack appears and grows worse in the winter. That we do run a humidifier i have painstakingly cleaned out the crack. Notched it and taped and hot mustard it now. Three times using increasingly wide tape and most recently fiber mash. The match has prevented the crash from breaking through but it still appears as a big lump in the ceiling after being very flat after the last repair the size of the cracks slash lump seems to grow and shrink with the seasons before the last repair. Week in slated the trying the cavity outside the knee wall as part of an extensive remodel with dense pat blown in cellulose insulation. I had high hopes that reducing the temperature differential across the joint below the knee wall would help but no such luck. It would be very easy to drive over the ceiling except for one significant issue. The living room ceiling has an original plaster. Eight inch radius cove around the perimeter of the room and hits the ceiling plane with at one quarter inch ledge detail also formed and that plaster ceiling creating shallow recess highlighting the ceiling plane. Did you guys see the ceiling. It's beautiful it. Looks really nice and the remodel of our dining room which was this has the same ceiling detail. We had to blend and rebuild a small section of the cove when we opened up a wall. I tell you it was by far the hardest dusty est and most time consuming part of that project. It was probably like eight feet of this right. I didn't want to lose that detail as it matches other parts of the house. It's original and frankly one of the things that attract us to the house in the first place. Yes you have to leave it there. It's beautiful the overall depth of the plaster ceiling based on password and remodeling other parts of the house ranges from three quarter to one inch the gypsum board is half inch of that above the ceiling. There is likely original one thousand nine hundred forty eight fiberglass batt insulation about our five ish with dense pack above that the triangular section outside the knee wall is too small to access for a person. I'm attaching plans and pictures to illustrate history. The problem okay. Based on what i think is going on here the options i thought of knowing now that a simple crack repair is not enough. Did you guys read his multipronged approach. Here it's fantastic. Goes on and on. So he says one removes sector of the plaster board about one foot on either side of the crack for the length of the room. I'll screw three. Eighths inch plywood. The joyce across the opening with three eighths inch drywall. Over that tape and blend to the ceiling number to do all of number one with two by eight sister'd onto the original joyce flush with the lower chord as far into the joyce cavities as possible and secured with structural screws number three same as to but with angle iron substituted for the wood. Beams do you think. I should apply any upward pressure using temporary support ceiling fasting new plywood and beams to better allow them to settle back. And take the load. I'm hoping to remove the installed insulation during an earlier. Dining remodel we learned the original bats. Hold the blown in insulation during a repair. However we add structural members. Sister joyce i will likely use the continuity of the felt paper vapor barrier on the nineteen forty eight installation. Do you have any either ideas. Am i missing anything altogether again. I'm seriously trying to preserve the detail the ceiling which means i cannot change the height of the ceiling plane. Here's the here's the whole nut of the whole thing. I am a retired mechanical engineer. With pretty extensive amateur home remodeling building and design experience spanning forty years. I love tools and projects but like to look forward to the next one instead of working on the same one over and over again. Thanks in advance for your thoughts to fix this forever. I'm happy to be phone text or emailed as you see fit. Wow what do you guys think. That's from tom. a i i would say. Have you tried. Just not running the humidifier you know i mean if that's all it takes the fix it then see if that works. See you think that during the wintertime. Because thomas is humidifier his house that lumber is expanding and creating this spread in the plaster. I have no idea. But i mean he suspects that may be a contributing factor and i would want to eliminate that before i started doing other stuff. I think that's good advice. So what just for. How long do you think we need to. Not run the dehumidifier. Or the humidifier. While i mean if it happens every year than one way year thank you be enough. Yeah just one winter okay. That's interesting brian. What do you think well. I agree with that. I ruth mad suggestion in After that i. I don't know because i have had. I have fought similar consistent cracking in a drywall. Ceiling and In been unable repair after repair but unable to stop it from happening. Until i just decided to cut out a big section of the drywall. All around the crack and put it in a new piece with seems in different places in taped it. And it's it prevented the crash from going back. So i don't know if If at some point you just have such a vulnerable spot that cracks. It just cracks easy If that's if that's the or not. I don't know but like i said i like him. I try to hold his one Pesky little spot. I tried a whole bunch of different repair techniques and The only solution was to cut out the cut out the drywall and have the scenes land somewhere else. And it worked jeff. What's your thoughts on this One thing that came to mind is that census plaster over gypsum. If he's using joint compound that behaves differently than a plaster so that might be a possibility interesting. The other related to an air leak. I i've got to be honest. I'm very confused about the assembly. Like i don't understand it. Sounds like there's a room above this but then there's installation in the floor. I don't quite i'm gonna paraphrase as best. I understand it so above this space is A second floor of the slope ceiling and a knee wall that is three foot interior of the footprint of the floor below. Yeah and it's probably bearing on a you know if the joyce running perpendicular to this knee wall. It's bearing on them. All that was. That's a i mean. Obviously that we have problem if that is a load bearing you all but my impression was that those rafters are actually sitting on the extra wall. I can't tell that for sure. He has the insulation the addicts space behind the knee wall. It's probably attic space behind. The knee will answer the installation. Probably runs in the ceiling to the knee wall and then up the up dimension guys might have goes off but it it was filled with cellulose. Yeah right triangular knee wall space right. So he's just talking about like a tiny little space that the ceiling. That's insulated that not the entire thing. Okay and i think it'd be real easy for cold air to be getting down as knee walls into this ceiling assembly rain and lianne things so i would look at that you know when he asked. Is there something that He's totally overlooking somewhat hesitant to tell tom because he's a retired. Engineer is to just live with the crack. Ten panels over the entire thing. You can't You know eliminate that cove detail. That's absolutely the coolest part of the ceiling. I'm sure you know. Yeah but. I don't think there's a reason that he couldn't cut out a section like like. Brian suggested and just put new drywall. You know feather that back in in that one little section suggestion of the plywood might be a good one two underneath that. What do you think brian instead of. Just putting drywall back. That spans this crack on You know feet on either side. Would it be helpful to put plywood underneath a layer of drywall. I don't know it seems like it would prevent movement. Yeah it probably could. I did that out when i built a closet in my bedroom. Mostly you know to have a place to fasten the new classic wall to but also a place to fasten the drywall. at least the edges of the drywall. So i mean doesn't hurt. I guess that couldn't hurt her for all i. I've her thinking about patrick's idea there's a temperature differential just investigating that with an ira camera. Or even the ira thermometer. Yeah sure and that would show moisture a movement to write the things that take on. A lot of moisture are colder because they're drying right and they're giving up heat as that is happening so building nine diagnostician often use ir cameras to look for you know roof leagues or early so i would definitely consider that as a diagnostic tool in this case. That's a great idea. Yeah and it's going to give you a chance to play with an eye camera. Tom which is going to be fun. You'll find all kinds of things to worry about a bigger than this. This is from kizlar from our f- hb. Forum chesler s. I'm replacing my eight year. Old rotten wood front porch columns when new for four western red cedar posts. On top of galvanized steel standoffs bolted to a concrete porch. The structural four by fours will be wrapped with eva. Pvc composite one by trim boards for appearance and weather protection the non tapered columns or measure five and a half inches on the outside. So there is about a quarter inch airspace surrounding the four by fours inside. Should these calls be ventilated. I live in. Virginia where humidity can be high. All right. you go first this time. I don't see why i don't. I'm but i'm i'm purely guessing. Are your ports collins peeling they are. That's why you're right Right what do you think. Does that make it better or worse. I don't think it can. I mean the need for ventilation ventilation space with it with he. Vc trim. i'm not sure. But i don't think you can hurt to have a little gap in there for water to anyone who does get in there to drain Anything in maybe promote a little drying you do have you. You have cedar posts but he would posts underneath and you know that if what around it. It's a good thing totally green. So i don't think it can hurt if he can you know if there's a if there's if there is going to be space if he can even the space the rap to give a little bit of a little bit of a gap evenly round the post why not and then you gotta leave gaps at the bottom top in order for that to actually function not gonna be any moisture getting through that. Pvc right yes you have to space the standoff the the top and bottom. What about the worry for bugs. Is that like a week creating bug habitat in this little airspace. Now now because of a quarter inch. I mean some bugs might get in there but bugs are going to find a way in there probably whether you intentionally gap it or not see this. Pvc soon as the sun. Hits it it's going to expand quite a bit. you're going to have to leave gaps. I think at the end anyway. So you know bugs are gonna find their way in so if you wanna use some kind of screen. Top and bottom. You know you're going to limit the amount of airflow through there but you'll also keep the bugs out but pvc is gonna it's gonna grow in shrink quite a bit. I mean i look at the. Pvc tubing that Is in my garden and you know it's all stake down but when it gets hot that stuff just flops. All over the place as soon as the sun goes down it drinks right back up crazy. Yeah your point is that Unlike wood which grows in relation to its rings. Pvc grows in length in addition to across its width. The grows in every dimension with he or shrinks with cold so. I think that's a very good suggestion. Yeah i like the The gap because it gives you a little leeway with regard to post that inevitably are going to twist or do some some weird things Oftentimes too you know it might mean that your joint stay tight when they wouldn't have if you put the pvc tight to the underlying material I they may call him wraps If you don't know Kizlar debt are already prepped. For this very application they have you know minor corners and they come as a one piece that then you fold around a four by four posts and to me. It seems like a huge labor savings. And if you glue all those joints with bbc cement it seems like a pretty rock solid good-looking Column idea andy. Angled did a camera was building skills or master minute or something like that years ago Using a lock miters for this. He used a lock minor. Bit in you know in his router table and it created like really really strong joints that were pretty easy to assemble a challenge. That joint matt rate is the setting up the router to get them everything to to plain out when you're done here that's a can be a complicated process of trial and error. But i mean if you have you know to cutoffs just keep working until you get the second thing to line up right Yeah it's like like doing a copen stick join it. It takes a few minutes but once you have it set up then you can run as many lengths of as much footage linear footage of of board. Is you need. So it's just that kind of thing like you had put a little time to set up and then you're good to go. Yup did you guys see. I posted yesterday on green building adviser for help with our new modern refrigeration equipment story. That's coming up an issue three. Oh two i got no response. So so there's this technology that's now in frustration equipment. He pumps and air conditioners variable refrigerant flow. And what these in layman's terms. Best understand our compressors that are variable speed and they can modulate to match the exact load and there's a couple of different ways these work they were first used in like light commercial buildings with what amounts to mini split heads. And then you'd have one or more outdoor units to power these and the most sophisticated ones can make heating and cooling on the respective heads at the same time and then more simple systems that are more common in residential systems are like your normal air handler or furnace equipment. You know they live in your basement or your crawlspace or whatever and they just have a variable speed compressor that runs conditioner through duct work like a furnace or air conditioner. We've are familiar with for decades and so if anyone has familiarity with these systems on them installing them living with them. I would love to hear from you because this deadline is coming right up. it's. Brian is reminded me so. Have you guys heard of this technology. Yeah yeah and it seems like it solves the fundamental problem of sizing heating and cooling equipment. Is that it's always sized. For nearly the worst case scenario or the worst case scenario or double the worst case scenario and these systems can typically modulate from like thirty five percent of their capacity up to sometimes more than one hundred percent to deal with unusual conditions and means that you're a quiz now running in the sweet spot. Most of the time which is something you can't say about conventional women. So that's why i was interested in it but we're all looking forward to what you find out your all right. Well you guys have anything to talk about. I don't think so. I'm having a yard sale this weekend. Oh yeah yeah you wanna combined by some garbage this new impact ranch. You got any other good tools for sale. I got some tools on the on the pile. Yeah nothing. I want. Since i've been introduced a battery powered led lights. I have to plug in ones because all of a sudden they're ridiculously obsolete. Yeah you guys have any powerful. Led work lights. It is life changing. I have one that. I bought When one of my i had one of my got knocked over on a shoot and the modeling light went out. And i didn't realize that the flash still worked so i ran out and bought a work light a battery. While it's it works on both you can either be plugged in or battery powered and It wasn't really powerful enough for the shoot. So fortunately i realized that the flash still worked so i was able to salvage but yeah i had power blow up on a sheet one time and did the same thing with work lights and what you learn is that the strobes like are a bolt of lightning Regard to how much illumination it is blowing. They can pretty much blow out the sun. Yeah it's insane. How much light. That is first period of time. Yup it's always fun when we have is on the site when i do a shoot with the strobes it's hilarious. They inevitably like jump through feet into the air because their experience with academic flashlight. Jeff you have anything to add mill. We're forever holding our peace. Unfortunately that is all the time we have for today. Thanks to matt. Brian and jeff for joining me. Thanks to all of you for listening. Please remember your comments. Questions and suggestions to f- hp podcast at taunton dot com please comet or of us however listening helps other folks find our podcast. Stay save everybody. Thanks very much for listening. Keep craft life happy building.

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Falcons vs. Cardinals: A win that became a loss

The Falcoholic

37:33 min | 2 years ago

Falcons vs. Cardinals: A win that became a loss

"Any Ninja Warrior Fan guys. Walking to the Falcons Alex Post Game podcast two thousand nine hundred seasons week six want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen I down which felt very reminiscent of the two thousand twelve through two thousand fourteen Ryan he had here with Lanta but again I was very critical of Dirk during the game because he did have this tendency I felt to continue to try to run up the Middle Perfect Austin Hooper eight targets a reception hundred seventeen yards touchdown perfect the next two top receiving I think there are things to be talked about in that regard but they certainly were not the issue this week and I know you know a lot of fans are going to look at Matt obviously the missed extra point looms large but thirty three plus points this feels like this is more about the defense and they found another way to lose another close game in in honestly at one in five this Falcons team feels like what they did on offense because you talked before the podcast and I think this is a great point that you made when your offense scores thirty plus points often scores thirty plus points that should be more than love to win the game and yet here they are thirty three points on top of that he had three three targets in he call three passes for thirty yards in two touchdowns the one being what would have been the game winner the defensive coordinator who also happens to be coach so let me Know Evan what you think about the offense and the responsibility to had in this heartbreaking losses for this team this year on the that's that's a pretty pretty tough thing to do with they've lots some games this year but and Devante Freeman they were committed to using him in both the run an passing game he he finished with nineteen carries for eight yards solid day in this week he did not screwed up the offense was what it needed to be to get the job done yeah it's funny options were were what they needed to be. Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley having over a combined hundred and fifty some yards and a touchdown Fridley oh he managed to put offense on the field that scored over thirty points for the second straight week so I still think there are issues with the offense when you look at it like what Matt Ryan did thirty thirty six three hundred and fifty six yards four touchdowns zero interceptions hundred and forty four point nine passer rating that actually came believe on the first Dr which was like the first touchdown the Falcons had all season dirt skinny past and again I'm on the point back to two thousand eighteen where we saw this happened a few times where the Falcons offense scored thirty points still managed to lose the game name the two of US rarely ever point out or draw attention to game yeah the I mean the offense did its job Pretty much focused on the players he should have been focusing on all season Ryan say he should have hit that extra point I agree you know you need your kicker to hit those but when you get to the point where referees in the game on average the play calls tend to balance out over the season but for the now I do want to touch on one thing because I know myself Dave Chote who is the editor at the foul colic we were talking about this during the floundering and yet they're still a lot of things in this game that happened that the that we need to talk about and I want to start with you have to have your kicker hit that thirty four point just to potentially force overtime something else has gone horribly wrong with that because the only way you could actually believe that was a first down is if you couldn't see that's the only way because if you have well you know what they saw they thought they saw Blah Blah Blah it doesn't matter what they thought they saw they were wrong he didn't touch him he he gave him a path this time I feel like this was easily one of the worst refereed games I've seen in recent memory they had You know a play call where the AH there appear to be a clear fumble by the receiver for The cardinals they called a phantom penalty on the Falcons are you doing the fouth member missed an extra point and yeah that's that's yeah yeah it's as as you know that they did lose they lost thirty four to thirty three and arguably one of the more have a referee official or former referee official blanking on his name but you'd all know if you saw him he came on in you know the rest of the game that led up to this point that you needed that extra point to begin with if you score thirty three points you should not be we look at that one play that stands out people say oh well Matt Brian should've hit it and we would be talking about the tie game and maybe going into overtime in never should've gotten to thirty four points doctor you think that these bad calls were in this game while they definitely were because as you mentioned the one on the Pie in the falcons actually you know everybody's he's never he's a former referee so he's never going to say the refs are blind the rest don't know what they're looking at bad call Blah Blah Blah he basically tight rope did on like going into a tie game you should be winning this game by three ten you know however many points in and I think that is the larger issue in this game is we look at this actually reach for he ran out of bounds with the ball at his hip I have if you go on twitter at Burchfield you can look at the picture for yourself clearly stepped out of bounds the balls at his hip talk about the map Brian Thing but the falcons were able to stop the cardinals they did stop them cuyler Murray should have been able to get the first down but he didn't look at the ball the do didn't see it would have been interference because you have to give him at least a a an like room to catch the ball Do Not oh you didn't okay we'll beasley basically was flagged for a Horse Collar which I'm not saying it's a wrong rule because apparently I saw earlier in the a good yard maybe away from a first down should be a fourth one which then you know if you wanna say the cardinals would Iran and got the first down enormous circumstances I really do believe that the reps do their best call it even those calls usually don't have a sway on the game but origin of the game on the punt in interfering with the point where our player wasn't even the punt returner how much mm-hmm fair I probably bet on that by it doesn't matter because the REF said they reviewed in said you know what this this is the first town in I don't know how they came away started backing away in then if bounced or whatever in the Ref saw as niece men didn't give him enough room to on the backside of their Jersey Kinda like hooked your hand inside and yanked him down that would be like a horse calling Beasley was able to grab Murray's if that makes sense of what they did what he did was as the ball was dropping to him usually that's what punt returners will do they'll see dropping to them in ref shouldn't be you know they have their jobs to officiate in it's getting to the point league-wide where reps aren't doing their job You know the yeah and I know it's something that I'm very hesitant under normal circumstances to bring up because Russell Wilson the Brown's got bit by when one of their defenders did it to Russell Wilson in that's why I thought was funny because it's like at that moment I was like well that's a weird back off on their own with their heads still up there forfeiting that they're not you know because he already waved his hand he wasn't going he was fair catching it but what he did was he someone on the plane they said he was interfered and he didn't even touch the guy in you can tell too because if you watch it in they usually factor in this but thirty four points by the defense is a big factor and I think the again with any NFL game you can at what point are they going to get to be where you can't even touch these quarterbacks I dunno it's secular in my opinion is ultimately the the main culprit here there's plenty there's plenty of blame to go around they'll get me wrong when you look at the final results I used to when I was growing up it was normal to see a quarterback holding everybody remembers that early do that play where Romo fumbled it trying to run game and that's what I thought was fascinating because I never heard of this apparently happened in offseason but now horse caller used to be if he grabbed I believe underneath the helmet or and that's a problem it's definitely a problem and again just to emphasize the I think we agree on this the Falcons defense is ultimate vision you could see that was not down into shame to see a game in like that the reps definitely played a big part of the the one they said who was at me you can easily see fourteen points in this game that were direct results of you know some of these flags got thrown or didn't get thrown mentioning that he hasn't had mad bosscher actually holding for him in a while to nine royal because Matt Shaab I believe did today which you know through dissect multiple place the game where there was dropped passes or you know poor play calls whatever it is but when you get to the point where you score thirty three the end zone or whatever on you know he didn't see starting quarterbacks you you'd see you know now you never see quarterbacks holding it in in the game I think it was Tennessee Games where Bosscher actually stranded I need to do research on it because I might actually be something worth looking at offense and you lose hesitant to put too much blame on on the offense were the people who are putting points on board so to return the ponder tax upon or whatever it's a bad call another bad call that pretty much just screwed the fountains yet the officiating was terrible today if there was something already in in the play so you know I think it's again I'm going to be A worth mentioning is I don't know anything about the kicking game I've said on previous editions of our podcast but it it may be well you can't tackle him by the name plate now what what does that even mean by his towel now gang unfortunately for kickers the memory is this stay strong so before we get into the second half of this podcast at this game the defense I think deserves the plurality of the blame can you blame Bryant for that Mis kick certainly he is he is tastefully named play in drag him down or like tackle him down or whatever they call dental worst caller so apparently that's a rule now earlier in the day I watched really make excuses but you know he gets hit like him and Julio Jones's Julio Jones Trump's a wide open touchdown like against the panthers we weren't kicking off the team because he didn't get married to I I'm not sure if you mentioned it but the Beasley one where they said it was a horse collar did you mention we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants we warned middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights Yeah I don't know just sucked it happened in that moment you know 'cause everyone's GonNa obviously remember that so because it's like he's having different holders or whatever every week it seems like so I don't know maybe he did shake it completely I don't help but take a quick break we'll be right back check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts for a behind the scenes look at all the action of the show and more with your competitors listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for recall and then later on it's screw the Falcons so yeah that was another one a big one you know ticky tacky never heard of it but apparently it's a thing now which I mean you know tight end he had one catch for twenty one yards I'd like to see him more involved Luke stocker had one catch usually the punter but bosscher you know dealing with that injury and then went on I r so I think last week was what map wile or whatever was last week yes Riyan apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP and we're back on the alcohol post game podcast recapping the options he had a brilliant game I think it's easy to say that he was far from The reasons that we lost this game devante Freeman the Julio Jones eight receptions one hundred eight yards Calvin early four for forty eight and a touchdown and devante pull the in three receptions in two of those breather and it was just like a change of pace thing and then you know you saw finally saw Graham who we've we saw looking good in preseason he's our third offense on this game before we talk about the defense there's some issues about their number one Matt Ryan Thirty for thirty six three hundred fifty six yards four touchdowns no interest we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast avengers of college football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean is this all already spoiled every Tuesday mm-hmm You WanNa find out like why why did that happen you know flukes do happen even to the best of them so you know hopefully that's all it was anelle waiting for the fun is slowed by responses so nineteen eighty eight yards for four point six average he clearly had his best one of his best rushing games this entire season looked much much better the Atlanta Falcons visiting the Arizona Cardinals joining me as always is my co host and fellow writer at the alcohol. Evan Burchfield Evan maybe some worth looking at yeah I mean I think it's a fair point you know Matt Brian has been so consistent that I think he deserves at least the benefit of the doubt and going back and looking it was Kinda like a change of pace receiver he had three receptions twenty nine yards like they can they came when Julio was basically getting a breather Ridley was getting wrong in this game there's a lot but I want to recap real quickly for the podcast for those listening some of the statistics we saw from the Falcons her and then on the receiving side Austin Hooper lead with eight receptions for hundred seventeen yards and the touchdown I have him fantasy team thank you Mr Hooper Falcons thirty four to thirty three loss on the road to the Arizona cardinals in week six this is Dave Walker I'm here with Burchfield we're talking about the specifics of what went hesitant to throw Matt Bryant on the bus especially with how he's been for spur for sewing only one he should make don't let me take that you know you targeted one time it went for zero yards it was nice to see mcgarry have a reception nothing nothing the freemen barely have any carries you've got to commit you know that's the thing I think people forget with running backs you have to commit to you can't do this like split carry touchdown so a really good game for Freeman anyone stand out to you on offense that you think deserves special attention uh-huh Right now oh oh he actually was expecting it to happen well w yeah McGee in this cardinals game I I mean I liked seeing you know the usual the guys who should be used used by if the three yard game yeah his first career reception basically got popped up hit off a cardinals guy and he came back Elliot dive into it I thought the news role was like what I would love to see some news roby he kinda was like You know you've heard a change of pace backs from podcast if you want to but basically what mean w have been saying as like us these people don't like Ridley have one targeted a game take for native three yards and that was exciting yeah but I mean I just like seeing you know what I you know you can religion all these L. to I hate seeing Xiang getting in the way of wins weather it's exactly regardless of who it is season stuff because what we would see when it was freeman in Coleman was they would struggle you know obviously twenty six teams at something but they would struggle together like nobody neither of them would have like a solid rushing day but then one of them would be out for injury in either Kalman would go off or if it was free you guys all the way down the depth chart to to beat us whether it was Demeer Bird Trent Sherfield Max Williams new ways to let the other team beat us but it wasn't that they're number two receiver was beating us it was that for Murray he was finding chase edmunds he had multiple guys with receptions on this Falcons defense that kept their drives alive what is your takeaway much much better form and this game was easily one of the best he's had in recent memory so fantastic performance from him ESPEC- A statistic thirty for thirty six three fifty six four touchdowns receptions this should show you the quarterback wins is a stupid eighty seven for three hundred forty yards endo interceptions and no sacks again another quarterback that has a about what this cardinals offense did to this Dan Quinn lead defense yeah I think you mentioned it well how he was basically they had a clean pocket basically for the entire day again the rushing in it feels like they were better than this the card really when you consider that he was under pressure very large large portion of the game so with that the defense I those rushing Game David Johnson twelve carries thirty four yards. That was it chase edmunds five for thirty four it was really in the the receiver and then as you mentioned hooper has just had a career season he really like he's really wanting to get paid and good for him would you need from your running back in I'm glad they didn't like Goo shy away from him. Ito Smith had three carries that's fine It was good to see Freeman back because he has taken a lot I'm hesitant to talk about them because of what happened I want to talk first about what column early Cuyler Murray did to defense he went twenty seven hunting season but going into this game the cardinals are literally the worst defense against tight ends in Hooper did his job aid targets eight receptions hundred seventeen yards ask games like AJ Brown how he went off in will fuller obviously instead of just using that second guy which would have been bird or maybe Sherfield he flack I've even been critical of because there was times this year where just looked rough he had a solid day you know any would have been the yeah I said go you know not to toot my own horn here but going into this game I was saying I mean I was saying hooper was gonNA have Assan year combined a bunch of dudes in spread it out to all these other guys that I think that's Charles Clay who had two receptions like I thought he was stolen the bills thirty points that should be winnable but our defenses allowing you know gone allow more than thirty points a game you're going to lose the game that's just you know l. goes and I I mean I don't think in the NFL today you can give up over thirty points channel no one more you can expect probably good for him yeah absolutely and I think again for those who count QB wins but he got it to enough guys I mean they had looking at their stats here they had three guys go over sixty yards receiving and then they had three guys over thirty he was gonNA play football again and then all of a sudden on the cardinals I had no idea chase edmunds you. Know he got his in the receiving game Geek he basically you know our field had one for thirty eight at they didn't I think the big story in this game with the defense it wasn't like last week their funding number one the defense is finding Zain's before you start writing the history book on them but regardless rookie QB rookie head coach a team that has struggled this year you know I think Colin Murray he showed enough today where I was like you know that's solid and stuff but there were so many missed opportunities where the falcons just calling the shots that many people thought would be a a much better defense and if anything what we have seen that's a solid day for Kyle Mary Mariota you know we were talking about in the solid day he had he got benched today against the Denver Broncos did stupid statistic please drop it and Matt Ryan Is Still Good Matt Ryan is still good he he since the grabbing people who I didn't even know it was on the team like Phero Cooper he was the one who played for the rams and I believe he was at a guy that got shot in light it wasn't even sure ah shut him he's ordering this season off pretty rough but I would say we're to pass a two and a half games he has been in less several weeks is this is a criminally bad defense and I believe this point we're outpacing yes and it wasn't one receiver fitzgerald had six for sixty nine David Johnson had six hundred sixty eight bird had to for sixty trencher the two thousand seventeen to eighteen defense which was injury riddled which was missing many key players we are outpacing that defense from points per dion Jones have missed tackle and I think fans were ready to set him on fire so figure that one out eh you know on

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What will Donald Trump do next?

Sky News Daily

21:12 min | 3 months ago

What will Donald Trump do next?

"The folks the people this nation have spoken. They've delivered us a clear victory a convincing victory a victory for we. The people we one with the most votes ever cast some presidential ticket and the history of the nation seventy four million mu an election that saw fraud and abuse on a scale never seen before the presidency was stolen and the republicans wanna substantially that false claims that former president. Donald trump began making on the night of the election in november last year. We heard them repeated in almost every interview. The election was rigged and speech. If you count the legal votes easily win night afterwards. That election twenty twenty presidential election was by far the most corrupt election and a history of our country and this was two weeks ago again consumed by the idea of a stolen election. It was saturday night at the annual north carolina republican convention. Donald trump stepped up on stage. It's great to be back in greenville. So many proud north carolina patriots who love our country support our military twelve hundred people before one thousand nine hundred eighty s voice. His scores on as we gather tonight. Our country is being destroyed before our very own eyes. Antique lied to be trying to save american democracy but there was one moment where he got particularly defensive about me. We're gonna get trump. What did he do We don't know but we'll figure it out there in search of a crime. It's a fishing expedition. And the supreme court of the united states should not have allowed it to happen because in the past and investigation into the former presidents finances became a look into possible criminal misconduct. Donald trump stepping back into the public eye even hinting at standing for the presidency in twenty twenty four but could be investigation. Take away his chance of standing the form of the white house and instead put him behind bars. Is the sky news daily podcast with me month calendar when the has been acting about donald trump since white before he began his political career. House will be the first time i ever saw him. I went to a event at fao schwarz which was a big legacy toy store in new york where they were launching something called trump the game which was kind of a copycat version of monopoly. It didn't really go that far but anyway it was being sold. There was a line around the block in the rain. That was interesting and several people in line sort of shouted out. Donald trump for president that was in nineteen eighty eight. She is a journalist and author of the book. The trump's three generations that built an empire many of the hallmarks of trump. She highlighted decades before his time in office. You could say. There's been an element of i told you so. I cannot deny that. I have often thought if the world had read my book before the apprentice but the behavior was the same and it depicted him as this kind of charming rogue who i was of kosovo his way around and he obstacle was always getting the better of people. It's about somebody who is bragging from page one to the end of about how he's getting over on people is donald trump simple peasant to get. You'll had around or is he quite a context character. I have to dodge that in a way by saying both one of the ways i think about him is i say that. There's like three major influences. There's school dad. That would be his father. Fred trump was an immensely successful real estate developer. Who was a very shrewd operator. Go right up to the edge of what's legal and maybe stick your over it very very very sharp elbowed you know look for the weakness in any situation go for it was schools roy cohen. Who a famous fixer in the us. Who is a kind of amped up version of that. Find any weakness go for it. Never admit defeat if somebody accuses you of something go right back accuse them back and the third thing is the school of norman vincent peel. Who wrote a book. Called the power of positive thinking it emphasized armor-plated belief in yourself is successful and those three things together. I think explained trump. That always believing that you are successful that whatever you did it. Succeeded doesn't matter what it is. So is that complex array simple. I'm not it's not. You know. I think is both and gwenda alkies. They see how trump has reacted to the probe into the trump organization's finances. This is just a continuation of the which they story of. Ongoing financial investigation is complicated. It began in twenty eighteen. After the midterm elections. The democrats have begun asking to see tax returns from the trump organization because that will again help connect help. Connect the dots here. This she can imagine didn't go down. Well no if they do that then just all. It is a warlike posture and then recently they seem to gatien moved from a civil inquiry into a criminal war. And so could someone be charged or indicted as it's called here in the us with a crime and if so you you're in dc now goodness. Wow welcome here for cicadas season and very hot weather halfway decently become. Us correspondent sky news. And this is my first week out here. In america every twist and turn of this story is followed closely by the networks here. I spoke to kimberly ueli author and professor of law at the university of baltimore for the initiated. Kimberly wa- the current outstanding inquiries because there was a civil inquiry. Now there's a criminal inquiry what they looking at who they looking who could possibly face charges because of it so from the criminal end. There are as far as we know three. There are two out of new york. One out of the state of new york the attorney general. And one out of the district attorney in manhattan. Those have recently joined forces. The state started as a civil inquiry. They've recently it's been reported are now working together. And they're looking into the trump organization in two respects. One is whether the trump organization inflated the value of its properties. And it's a holding company with about five hundred organizations in connection with bank loans and by the same token whether it devalued its properties for purposes of dodging taxes in an addition there is some inquiry into whether the payments to women that donald trump allegedly had affairs with leading up to the two thousand sixteen election. The most famous one being stormy daniels whether those are campaign violations under federal and state law won't be state law or local law because we can these our state and local investigations. The other criminal investigation. That's ongoing is in the state of georgia and it involves his phone call during the twenty twenty election to secretary of state. Brad robbins burger of georgia asking that he quote find eleven thousand seven hundred eighty loads enough votes for him to flip the state of georgia from joe biden to donald trump which is potentially campaign finance violation or campaign election law violation so taking all of those things together Many people that watch this. Believe that that this grand jury is going to produce indictments. Now that does not mean that would be an indictment of the former president of the united states But it would be an indictments relating to his organization potentially but when i spoke to gwenda she pointed out one floor. She believed that could be in all this. He is the original. No paper trail person people who worked for him when he first came to work for his father told me that donald trump's message to anybody who worked in that office was no paper trails. Everything oral he doesn't use e mail so that's finding smoking guns. Smoking memo's smoking. E mails smoking phone records. That's that's gonna be hard that is going to be hard but then again these. Da in new city and near state. They've been very very active in way past what they've ever done before. So we'll see the the new york state case that's being led or being driven by the attorney general letitia james. Can you tell us a little bit about her. Her investigation started as a civil investigation in connection with former trump fixer michael cohen slash lawyers testimony to the united states congress in which he said that donald trump engaged in payoffs to women to silence them in connection with his his campaign. I'm going to jail in part because of my decision to help. Mr trump hide that payment from the american people before they voted a few days later and so she started a civil investigation. In that regard. Cyrus vance is the manhattan district attorney. So the city's prosecutor he's had an ongoing criminal investigation recently. The other thing we've learned is one that latisha james more terse civil investigation into a criminal one and sent some of her prosecutors over two. Cy vance his office. And two that the manhattan ta has impaneled a special grand jury just for purposes of this investigation. They'll be five or six grand. Juries that are ongoing to hear evidence relating to criminal investigations. People believe potentially the fact that now there's a standalone grand jury suggests there might be actual dinant coming out rather than just using the grand jury to collect documents so latisha. James state level prosecutor a sivan's city level prosecutor. Very rare for them to get together in this in this way which i think is important because they have to get this right if they are going to go after people. Within the trump organization the organization itself could be indicted under under american law corporations. Even though they're legal fictions can be criminally indicted people within the trump organization which includes of course his son his family members they could be indicted. The top of financial officer alan weisselberg. Who spent part of the trump family organization since the early nineteen seventies. He's also under investigation for potential financial wrongdoing. And i think the theory is if they can get him to agree to cooperate. Then the investigation cuco the top that is to donald trump because the critical element here is to prove knowledge if the paper trail demonstrates our some violations of finance laws or tax laws there still needs to be someone that can describe donald trump's knowledge and that key pivotal actor would be illinoissolar. Kimberly donald trump in some of his closest supporters. Say latisha james democrats as motivated by a grudge against a republican former president. What would you say to. That could be any grounds truth to that. No i don't think there's any ground in truth to that and the reason is that prosecutors are bound ultimately by rules of evidence and rules of procedure in court. I should also note. Of course as i said earlier Latisha james now working with cy vance so there are two offices that are working in tandem. it's hard to see that this is just a politically motivated. You know. Factually groundless investigation. We've seen all the primes into donald trump and his finances and possible corruption. Come a guy without any meaningful action. Having been taken more serious than that. It is serious for a couple of reasons. One is that the tax returns are now in the possession of prosecutors and of course that is documented evidence regarding what he paid over there so that does not match up with the value of his properties. Then you have on paper a prime fast show or a basic case that he didn't pay taxes consistent with what his liability was the other pieces. That we're seeing very rarely to manhattan manhattan and then the state prosecutor's come together in joint investigation. The third element is that we have a standalone grand jury in manhattan now that is charged just with looking into this particular investigation. So the question ace. Could donald trump really go to jail. It is really a stunning concept. That is to put a former american president in an orange jumpsuit behind bars and many people believe listen between appeals and given his age that it's not realistic that even if there is a prosecution donald trump that he would actually end up in jail in the near future. If ever also these prosecutors have on their plate a standard. that's much higher than they would have for. Non normal private citizen that someone who has not been in the presidency. They have to be almost beyond beyond a reasonable doubt. Their evidence has to be absolutely virtually irrefutable. Because by prosecuting a former president they really are upsetting sort of legitimacy in historic validity of the office of the presidency itself can have ripple effects that are quite damaging and i'm sure they are being the implications of that And the standard itself even though documents don't lie don't die and they don't miss remember. That is a paper trail is really good evidence. The criminal laws require an a knowledge element so there has to be proof of donald trump knowing that even if some alleged tax violations occurred or Applications for loans or insurance were falsified. He's going to argue. I had no idea. I'm way at the top of my huge organization. People do things not everything comes to me so even if someone down. The chain of command made an error. You can't say that. I was aware of that. Without that knowledge intent. Donald trump personally cannot be prosecuted and convicted. So this is a very tall order for letitia. james sivan's after this. Why trump is keeping his cards. Close taste chest about running for the next election okay. I'm just tell me for me to go. Hi yes. This is matt brainard. The executive director of look ahead. America in america first five one c three organization doing community organizing here in the united states. Not brian was all side of the director of strategy and data for trump's two thousand sixteen presidential campaign. He's close with the former president and from what he says. It sounds like losing. The election hasn't had a negative effect on the former president if anything the opposite my experience with him most recently was in his office and mar-a-lago where we were talking about a particular candidate that We wanted him to support the primary But you know he was full of energy he looked healthier than ever seen him before healthier than he ever looked in two thousand sixteen and he was in great spirits cracking jokes he. He was in complete control of all current events. You know exactly what was going on so he. He's fully engaged. he's paying attention. It's i i don't know if he's got a personal trainer changed his diet or what. But that's what it seems like. I think he's sort of relishing his role right now. Sort of a quiet kingmaker in the party. And i'm sure he will reemerge in a more public way at some point in time but i think he's sort of happy with the position he's in right now given all the things that are out of control him obviously rather be in the white house but i think he's quite content to be engaged in the back. You know behind the stage of the party and helping us pick the best candidates for the twenty twenty two election so we can take back congress and the senate in twenty twenty four. It's not clear to me exactly what he's planning. I'm not sure if he's made up his mind. But one thing i am certain about is that He will have tremendous influence on the outcome of the republican nominating process whether as a candidate or somebody supporting another candidate because what he has in are among our party and beyond it is something very rare which is the trust of a tremendous number of people. So that if he says if he's running he's the best candidate i think the nomination says if he says you know he wants to endorse them like someone who's very close to him like florida governor onto santa's. I think that the party will clear the field and lineup behind the senate. So he's going to have tremendous influence in twenty twenty four whether he runs or not now that he's begun his soma toll of rallies seems trump is dedicated to showing the heart is still in politics. I asked gwenda blair how she felt about this. I'm probably not going to be audience. But yeah that's the trade off promise that he's made to remain loyal to the republican party. And i'm gonna put you back running the every running the show in two thousand twenty four and maybe twenty twenty two even before that. I'm such a powerful vote-getter that i'm going to get the gop back running the show and to let's say facilitate that if not grease the wheels we've seen. Let's see how many i think somewhere pushing four hundred bills passed or in in process in state legislatures to limit the vote to ensure that only the right the correct the appropriate voters get to vote in those in every possible way or being finally Orchestrated to be people likely to vote republican. So there's there's any efforts going on to support what trump promises but the promise that he is made is that he's going to get everybody back in power i'm gathering from what you're saying. Gwenda you think he will run for presidency in two thousand twenty four but do you think there's anything that can stop him setting aside questions of mortality but No i don't think that he is going to really make it clear until the dead last second because what gets the most attention. My thanks to gwenda blah. Kimberly wiley and matt brian art. You can keep up today with all the stories on the inquiry into spine answers on our website and app. Thanks for listening to the sky news. Daily podcast hosted by me martha calendar and produced by nikola as an interview said tatyana alison. We'll be back tomorrow. The climate crisis can be an overwhelming and emotional conversation. We will not let you get away with this. Spotted isn't just about cutting carbon emissions or reporting on disasters on screen use. Climate cost will come in the big issues in depth. 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Big D country invade Las Vegas! On the big bus tour!

The big d zone

57:53 min | 1 year ago

Big D country invade Las Vegas! On the big bus tour!

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Eye On the Enemy #2: Falcons Preview w/Jeanna Thomas

Bleeding Green Nation

21:10 min | 2 years ago

Eye On the Enemy #2: Falcons Preview w/Jeanna Thomas

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No signals more reliable travels further or is better and buildings than six hundred megahertz and you may need to upgrade your device when you switch to get full coverage we got our eye on the enemy as we head into week two Action Eagles Falcons Sunday night football I am your host Michael Kissed brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding green nation this is a fairly new series so I'll explain it again every year in the off season me and Benjamin Sollac Zolak do an eye on the enemy on divisional rivals in the NFC east and whoever else in the NFC we've used a serious contender. This is just an extension of that with a focus on the upcoming opponent of the week last week we spoke with Mark Bullock of the athletic. DC and he brought some tremendous insight and this week as we prepare for Eagles and Falcons we'll be talking agenda Thomas of espy nation in the Alchoholic to help preview this Sunday night extravaganza of course make sure you're already smashed at subscribe button and are following at BGN underscore radio to keep up to date with all the shows dropping into the feed and let me tell you they are dropping fast and furious as we've got you covered with a mountain of content throughout the season so let's not stand on ceremony any longer. Let's go to my chat with Gina Thomas Right now. How are you today and in great? Thanks how are you. I'm doing quite well in before we get into all the football stuff I want to know about you and I want the listeners to know about you so plug where they can find you on social media and also where they can find all of your work you can can find me on twitter at Gina Thomas. It's J. E. A. N. A. Thomas because my parents are weird and you can find my work primarily at the alcohol like dot Com with the occasional thing popping up on espionage dot com here and they're also co hosting the alcohol IC podcast so lots lots of stuff going on over there I would definitely check out the Alchoholic podcast part of the SP Dacian podcast family which is awesome so it's great to have you on here to talk about some Falcons football as they head head into this week two matchup with the Philadelphia Eagles but before we get into the onfield stuff Julia Jones just signed a new contract adding three new seasons and sixty six to his current deal sixty four million of that new money is guaranteed. What did you make of him? At the time asking for a new contract with several years still left on on his deal I was fine with it because he didn't really have any guaranteed money to speak of left him that contract and when you're talking about a profession where these guys are putting during their fiscal health and safety on the line every week for my entertainment I want them to be well compensated for that and I want them to have the security of knowing that they're getting Matt guaranteed money so I will never felt a player from protecting his own future by trying to lock up guaranteed money teams build contracts in such a way that they can get out them pretty easily and I think that that's what guys want to avoid differently in Julio's corner when it came to that because his talent wasn't being compensated with with the other talent around him where he was being paid for his contract and everything like that I understand he signed it but at the same time he's the guy on the field putting his body on the line saw. I was definitely supporting him. In seeking new contract he ends ends up coming to camp at the gate arrive like a day before something to that effect but if you were to ask Falcons fans now even the ones that may be were opposed to him asking for a new contract or any of them really upset that he got all of this new guaranteed money with the extension. I don't think people are really upset. I think that they you know if polio doesn't I don't I know put together a bigger game than he didn't wake one pretty soon I think that they might be but no I think by and large people recognize that he's a generational talent and this is the NFL now. I mean you have to pay that top talent. If you WANNA keep them on your team and yeah so. I think that it was just necessary and I think that most people do see it that way yet. I think that's a good point with everything that's happening around the NFL with all the different holdouts in for the different reasons that people can kind of see that the new normal right now so good for Julio getting getting his money. Definitely a top talent definitely deserved it. Let's talk about some some Falcons here because I was very high on them coming into last year and that got derailed by week week. One injuries really robbed us of seeing what I thought was a young defense filled with potential transformed before rise into a very good unit. We didn't get to see it this year. You figure they're healthier coming into the season so it's safe to be optimistic before we get into one. What were your expectations for this? Two Thousand Nineteen Eighteen Falcons team before the season started before the season started. I was saying that this is you know attendance sixteen if you look at the talent that they have especially with the skull go position players on offense the investments that they made in the offensive line this off season. I think that that was really key getting devante Freeman back fully healthy. I I felt like the offense was going to be pretty unstoppable in defensively getting back those guys that we lost like you mentioned after week one Atlanta lost both Kiana Kiana Neil and Ricardo Allen both starting safeties and then also Dion Jones for a big chunk of the season and he sort of the heart and soul of that defense right there at Middle Linebacker and so it was really really difficult last season but yeah I did expect better this season and here they are they did not look better are definitely and let's take that broad view after the twenty eight to twelve season opening loss to the Minnesota Vikings. How does that performance impact the expectations that you had coming into the season? You said you thought they were ten sixteen. Do you still believe that there is still that same team still that dangerous team. I think that the Taliban Ala they have on both sides of the ball still justifies that expectation that said the biggest issue with this team is the offensive line and if they can't Keep Matt Brian Upright and if they can't create holes in the run game than I don't know that they can win ten games. I think that that's the big question having lost their starting right right guard the rookie first rounder Chris Lindstrom I are with a broken foot after the vikings game you know and they're rotating Geisen at right tackle and so so it's a lot of instability on that side of line which is not encouraging at all and they were they were blitzed a lot by Minnesota at least early in the game and then losing Lindstrom I agree Lindstrom is a fantastic talent was very high on him. Coming into the draft out of first round grade autumn Assam live down there in Mobile Alabama for the senior bowl just absolutely impressive dude with with a great attitude just to do you want on your team. Do you think that the the line can kind of get this back together or are they gonNA struggle with some chemistry issues with rotating hitting guys in and out now having to fill that red guard spot like how concerned are you that Matt Ryan is just going to be harassed by any team with a decent pass rush this year well. I am a huge offensive line nerd and so I'm very very concerned like I'm probably more concerned about this that I could possibly be about any other position group on the field especially especially rotating guys then the reason that they're doing that at right. Tackle is because the other rookie first round or Caleb mcgarry had the undergo minimally invasive heart procedure during the preseason and so he's still his conditioning isn't quite where it needs to be and so he can't play a full game so but rotating somebody the and really never lets them develop that chemistry or get an any kind of a rhythm and so that's a huge concern for me not just now but for the rest of the season and when you factor actor and the issue that Lindstrom's owl and so it's really that whole side of the line it could be a really big problem defensive scheme their best players to attack that side because it's already already a perceived weakness and so I'm yeah I'm very concerned about that. Issue now. You're just dealing with chemistry of players you know dealing with calling out protections in passing off stunts in different from things of that nature can really get you the chemistry on Combo blocks and working that can be difficult to build in the already had young guys in there to begin with so that'll be something to watch in this eagles game as they try to attack that right side and look despite Matt Ryan putting up a bit of a stinker in that game. I'm still of the opinion that when he's at his ceiling I think he's very whoa capable of hitting that ceiling this year that he is in the MVP discussion as far as the caliber of play and we can talk about narratives and stats going into MVP stop by just as a as a quarterback back. He played a really high level. How're the Falcons fans in general treating what I would consider an aberration of a game against the Vikings? You know what's funny about it is is that a lot of them are not reacting well now you have I would say the majority of Falcons fans are level headed and they understand that franchise quarterbacks x do not grow on Trees Matt Ryan One of the good ones and we've got a hold onto him for as long as we can and we're fortunate to have him but you know you have the small contingent of people who are like he's terrible terrible. If you look at the stat line against the Vikings aside from the two picks which obviously we're not great but the rest of the stat line was not terrible and when you consider the pressure that he was under under. I think that that you have to factor that in there so yeah I think Falcons fans are for the most part take in stride but like I said you have that that small small but vocal contingency who thanks Matt Ryan is trash and those are the ones that you will find the level headed ones fighting with on twitter so those are always the reactionary canary after week when I mean as as somebody that covers the eagles the first half of the game against the Washington there was a lot of reactionary takes people. Everyone pretty much got fired at halftime and then by the end of the second half everyone was fine again. Sometimes these things take time you know sometimes they put a stinker different things happen for different reasons. Football all is chaos. We don't know anything so we'll see if the schedule right this shit there especially with Ryan but if there was a positive takeaway from that falcons loss as just as far as offensively defensively individually anything like that is there anything that they can hang their hat on after being routed like that I'm going to have to single out one individual and it's Great Brady Jarrett he is such a force he yeah he is. He is really I think an underrated player he was an absolute steel for the Falcons in the draft a few years here's Scott Clemson. He really is one of the best at the possession and the entire league. The Falcons were very smart to go ahead and extend him because he is a very special player and his his has effort and his play just really at their peaks on Sunday. Even though it was really not that great game across the board he was definitely a highlight. I was going through the film of that game. Grady jared always pops anyway but especially in that game and whenever I watch him against the Eagles Eagles have certain concepts and it just seems that Jarrett art is more effective against them than any other interior defensive linemen. The Eagles have really come across. I agree with you there. Jarrett is supremely underrated. Iowa's love diving into his tapes. That's a good one now Jarrett like I said playing the Eagles has always going to ball out week to Sunday night. Let's talk about from an outsider's perspective. What are your opinions is on? This eagles team that has kind of had the falcons number may not have their number but have eked out some solid wins against them and have done a good job at limiting their offense and and had them square think like fifteen or sixteen points per game than than usual when they play them yeah. Absolutely you know obviously week one last year we opened it up on on Thursday night football against the eagles and that was not a pretty game. I can't remember the final score but the falcons deaf wait yeah they were below twenty and I feel like these teams at least at that point in time with without the injuries for the Falcons they were pretty evenly matched the previous. Yes postseason. Obviously Philadelphia knocked Atlanta the playoffs so yeah the last two I feel like the Falcons except for the team that I saw this past Sunday can't beat the eagles the first half eagles. I think you're okay so maybe it'll it'll be another everyone. It might be but yeah. I think that the eagles have a ton a ton of talent and this is the match that I'm very concerned about you know looking at the first two games of the season for the Falcons. Neither was going to be easy. Those are both very good teams in the conference which you know you want us out start out strong with those and the eagles matchup was always the one that I was more are concerned about so needless Sam a little bit shakey going into this one after seeing how they played on Sunday apologies for interrupting the conversation but we do have some bills to pay back. We'll be back with more. 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Would you say you're the most concerned with the stopping Sean that vertical element were even when he's running clear routes you still running touchdown routes because he can. He can burn deutz. Yeah I mean. I think that it's both you know Oh. The Falcons have a new starter outside. is as Oliver who's very talented but I think that he's still kind of adjusting to full game speed last week the on Sunday that was his first star and aside from the preseason end so that's a concern to they don't have desmond fought shadow the best receiver he just sticks on his side of the field so it will be really interesting to see how that works out Zuganov matchup with the big buddy L. Sean in the eagles are moving to Sean around onto Sean took about half of his snaps from the slot too so they really do try to hide him in some of those sets so it'll be interesting to Seattle Falcons kind of deal with that early on I suspect the Eagles to kind of move to Sean around early in the first drive in Seattle. The Falcons respond kind of move from there but what I'm seeing from this betting site that I'm on no free ads. It's prediction time Gina the eagles goat rode favorites by two points You don't have to go with the spread or anything like that but who you got in. What do you think the score is and you can pretend that you didn't just make up the score off the top of your head yeah well? I actually have been thinking about this one and I I do think that the Falcons have to bounce back this week at home and and so I think that it will probably be close game but I think that they pull it together and I think that the Falcons told us off twenty eight to twenty four so what what does that look like. Does anything strange happened anything any bull predictions or is that just the Falcons making the most of the red zone opportunities unlike the last time that they met up with Ryan and having a pretty clean game yeah. I think that it's probably more than making the most out of their red zone opportunities but I also think that will anything weird happened. Yes something weird happens that makes me crazy every the falcons game whether they just start you know dogging it in the third quarter for Nogan resigned are what it is something weird happen. They have had terrible what yeah yes yes just the terrible accent since since the Super Bowl and I I will hang on that topic too much longer I don't I don't WanNa be up over it by what what is it like because I know a as an eagles fan growing up and then going through the through the lean years and then getting so close so many times with not quite getting over the Hump and then he got chip Kelly come in and and then Doug Peterson is like the most unassuming coach to come in at first nobody really knew who he was and he ends up being this this brilliant dude every you know you finally get a super bowl. Everything's fine and it Kinda changes. Is your demeanor as as a fan base. What is it like to be a falcons fan in the year of our Lord Two Thousand Nineteen you know it has its challenges and my boyfriend friend is a patriots fan and it's funny because he never brings up twenty two three it has happened exactly zero times but saints fans do it to me all all the time or like random bands like Oakland raiders? Am some like what did you have to do with that. This had nothing with your team so that part of it's irritating. It's also frustrating because my twenty eight three jokes are so funny because I have to laugh to get through the pain and they're funnier than saints fans jokes and so. I think that that's another layer. The challenge for Falcons Fan says that you know nobody has our sense of humor. That is actually how we get through it yet. No I agree with that as you guys on twitter. You're constantly slee beaten up on your behalf to otherwise it would drive me. Crazy is Baxter your dog Baxter Baxter as my dog is Patriots Falcons Fan. Do we know he It depends on which parent you ask I. I say that he is a Falcons Fan. Chris insists he's a patriots fan. We both do agree that he has a braves fan and a red sox fan so he has those jerseys and those are teams that we can both agree on our excellent okay. We'll call him a falcons fan for now. We'll go with that Jenner. I really appreciate you stopping by helping me preview this game great insight and let the listeners know more time where they can find you and where they can find all all of your excellent work sure and thanks for having me you can find me on twitter at Gina Thomas. It's J. E. A. N. Thomas and you can find my work out the Faulk Hollick and bent on the Falcons podcasts but you so much for stopping by it. Was I saying you're saying you're damn name wrong. The whole time was a is a matter. It really does not matter. It's Gina it's like it's like Gi Diana but I mean it looks like Jenna and people call me about all this. It's actually a huge joke. 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[088] Is an 18-game season in the cards for the NFL?

Buccaneers Observer

28:43 min | 2 years ago

[088] Is an 18-game season in the cards for the NFL?

"Every year in the N._F._l.. It's a new team as far as goals go. We have one putting the fucker Renata finger welcome to the buccaneers observer podcasts Ralph Ralph Phillips Today's July Sixteenth Two thousand nineteen fifty four days to kick off five days until rookies report and ten days till give or take training camp took trying to Kim starts not a whole lot going on got a follow up follow up follow we had talked about diamond. Smith was at the Red Lion High School with ex and current N._F._l.. Players does charity work. Yes breath. We realized that Red Lion High School is in Pennsylvania by would smith went to Penn state so we sent home. Hey I wonder if all the rest of the guys were paying state guys. Most of them were except boaty Calhoun. He went to Minnesota David Greenwich he he played for North Carolina State. Lou toler played at rutgers and there was one of the guy that went to University of Pennsylvania for the most part. They were all penn state guys next pence. Take as all right so there you go now announcing that fourth. I'm done <hes> all right. We'll see you guys next. We were talking about. Dhamma Smith was him with him being a Vegan. We brought that up quite a bit that he's following. Dale McCoy's begin diet yeah whatever it is. Do we have that other than that one cryptic tweet he tweeted at Gerald called and said I'm starving already and he asked a couple of weeks later if what Vegan restaurants were in Tampa okay so that's the evidence we have evidence. We have to talk about it. Yeah I no no one else is talking about it. Maybe because he doesn't talk. Maybe he's not attributing it. I mean if he's not bringing it up every chance he gets front of a microphone Trivia so what you're saying is John. Smith may or may not be a Vegan will from what the tweets were saying. It sounds like he's a Vegan but we're not sure yeah that one hundred percent sure correct Robert Ayers today announced his retirement really he did after ten years in the League so he was released by the bucks then picked up by Detroit and was subsequently released hasn't played since then so it's not really volunteer retirement. Nobody else wants to write <hes>. I like to curse you're too so I listen to the IRO Halprin podcast today and they talked about how many curry was talking all of his Philadelphia teammates while he was at Tampa so keep happening. I know it was like a vacation Asian. Basically he took like half his pay that he was getting box to go back to Philadelphia. He wanted to go back apparently because this is from his mouth that he knew as soon as Aryans was hired that it was going to be a three four defense so he didn't when I moved to maybe that's what he said. Yeah there could be a variety of reasons Jameson. Some of the guys went to the advent health facility in Tampa and they visited some of the kids that were inpatient. There was one one little boy Janus went and asked him who is famous football was in L._A.. Rams would Jason Yeah the kid and so James says called Todd Gurley like facetime them uh-huh yeah. How in the world is Jay was hot? Tub girl is thrown over their friends apparently NJ stewart his foundation M. S. N. J. Youth Foundation which was created by him and Marvin Stewart senior. I don't I'm not as assume his father. Maybe they are giving out free back to school haircuts in partnership with Faden full barber shop in Tampa so you register at their website and as m j dot Event Bright Dot Com Tair coaching nappy paypal. It's only for school age children. Go Get your hair cut you. In the long haired Hippie kids he was on profootballtalk or is now. It was good morning football on the N._F._l.. Network Okay did you also allow watch. They had short clips short attention gas well. They have like two clips in they kind of overlap but really altogether they were amazing. It was basically like three minutes interesting. Usually yeah he said that James says he's really supportive in like hey did a good thing here or here but then he also talked Shit Tim he Alec dern practices on stuff too defensive bax yeah a heard. There's a big lot of competition on this year. There has been so far the camps between the offense and defense which is good yeah. Davis plays into that we got some division rival news this week Grady Jarrett defensive tackle for Atlanta Elena he was franchise tagged earlier in the season and they were able to reach the all for sixty eight million dollars. It's a four year deal and it makes him. The third highest paid defensive tackle behind Aaron down all the a an Fletcher Cox relegated your but I mean I like him as far as talent goes. I don't know if he's that good. What is that like twelve million a year well? He's about all the Atlanta's got older defensively yeah which they were thinking they with draft more defensive lineman thinking was a draft analyst before the drought because they've got him. He's he wasn't under. I mean he was under contract at the time he was to become a free agent sh but even with him if they were able to keep them. There's not really anybody beside him. Vic Beasley really needs to step up. He's defensive end defensive slash linebacker so he's he's even really do nothing pleasure or call yeah. I think Falcons fans were disappointed with them. Though it's good to hear that it'll get all in a tizzy and get mad fight with each other love to see that in other fan base. We didn't talk about this in the last last podcast. Although we probably should have the Wall Street Journal Andrew Beaton came out with a report about the league hitching in eighteen game season to the players Association which we've mentioned before for that the currency B._A.. Expires in twenty twenty and so they're kind of working on deal now in advance of that and the Wall Street Journal report was really good. A lot of the sports news outlets are just reporting gene the the highlights gas and they didn't really get in depth as the Wall Street Journal article then so if you can read at if you can find that I would recommend reading it the eighteen game season would be it would the two who extra games will come from the preseason they would cut the preseason shorter to two games and the players would all only play sixteen games a heard about that which the players players association was not thrilled that I mean how are you going to ask a lot of these guys who are super competitive to sit. I mean that's a big ass. I don't think a lot of players would be and the two that a big fan of it. If it was me they'd have a game every day. I knew you would be a urine. Even if you have to sit your starters for two games <unk> expand the team to four hundred and twelve players someone else mentioned that they would expand the teams but I in read that in the Wall Street Journal article interesting seemed like they might would have to but man that's that's just gonNA throw huge wrench into salary cap finagle. There's more players BLOM dumbed down for a minute. Take Two preseason games output. Put Two regular season Games heck yeah. They pitched the idea in two thousand eleven. The owners did but that N._F._l.. P._A. rejected it or homeless Beck from having good entertainment more entertain. What's what's up with that? They are concerned about injuries. E can't hear the irony that there they they want to. They're really focusing on not the top tier players like the Tom Brady's but the ones the scrubs basically that's what they're focusing on this N._F._l.. P._A. The the C._B._I.. Move we'll see how it turned out. I just it'd be great and it would bring in more revenue for the League and that I would be able to increase the salary. Cap players make more money. I think it's a win win for everybody especially if they make it mandatory that players can only play sixteen games. That's GonNa work with like stats and stuff. That's GonNa Change everything yeah well the N._F._l.. P._A. is Nixon I think already now well. They're meeting again this week to talk about it and I have there. Why would they in general? I mean they're worried about injuries. The Guy's GonNa Play Sixteen Games. He's. Way Right you actually get two games off during the year yeah well. They don't want that they don't WanNa play yourself to sit back and play eighteen games. I want them to play that much. Nee estimate that extra games will shorten the average N._F._l.. Career here from three point three years to two and a half years but that we know they say that but they make it sound like that's that's. That's bs right there because what they're doing is they're trying to say that players only played that long because injury no players only play that that low because they suck because the skill Roy I mean because like it replaced quick if you're good many years and their careers because of injury I mean that happens ally guys get injured on IRA there at the bottom of the barrel anyway and then and they just can't cut next season the vast vast vast majority of N._F._l.. Players in their career because they don't have a choice because somebody else were better replaces them not enders I think maybe they are often hampered by injury and then I'm not giving us another shot. They have that one shot and then they get injured in that that's it we'll look at Robert or we just talked about. He's retired danger. He's old buddy wants him anymore. Than argument doesn't make any sense to the N._F._l.. P._A.. You know they're not going to agree to anything unless they can get some good compensation in return so yeah they want increase player benefits player performer bonuses changes the minimum Tom Salary structure and the ability for players to reach free agency more quickly. Is that in general or yeah that's kind of their goals with as negotiation will they. They want more guaranteed contracts. Ah We're all those things again on increased benefits like what I don't know pension plans in the healthcare after they get out yeah maternity leave player performance is bound says which I think is great especially bill to the contrary exactly offering most contract should be performance but that's just me what I want to. They want changes to the minimum. Salaries structure person will but you could do that with more revenue from eighteen game this. I think that's at owner's standpoint in view increase. The minimum is what they're asking for it. Yeah this is going to decrease. Everybody else's person's Day right yeah. They're really. It seems like they're going into these negotiations to help the little guy not. The Tom. Brady is not breezes as a jail McCoy last time last C._B._A.. They did the exact opposite opposite. They went into the negotiations to help the old hands yeah and the rookie got screwed so now this time all the rookies are bitch and I guess like Oh. Let's do the reviews yeah. I think it's just a rookie is I think it's I know well people that don't last in the league that long. I just squad lower tier player vast majority of N._F._l.. Players don't get a second contract right. I'm saying that off the top of my head. I don't know that for sure. I would just assume he needed. He'll follow up. Follow up Tamar ready down. I also want to know the exact number of N._F._l.. Players to always say something around fifteen hundred I think it's like twelve hundred seventy to grab like debt. Actually we could do the math or quick fifty three players times thirty two teams yeah then you got practice squad by nine eleven visit eleven now okay might be nine nine okay. That's one thousand six hundred ninety six players in the N._F._l.. Just on active rosters I'm looking at how many players on the practice squad ten players him okay so that's an extra three hundred twenty now way they'll see why would wikipedia Kapadia. Give me a CFL. Nobody cares about the WHO does care about the C._F._O.. Wasn't who followed. I don't think I've ever seen the CFL Jersey. I could tell you what any other team look like. They've got cool names. I like argonauts. Yeah Okay ten-man practice squad so it is to yes all right so that's an extra three hundred twenty says two thousand sixteen players currently in the N._F._l.. Every year at any one time yeah can never be more than that but it could be less right so you say two thousand players two thousand guys in the N._F._l.. So you figure the average where they say the average is three point two years four point town four point two. Yes it was a long oh no. It was three point three the N._F._l.. Says the average career length for a player who has played in at least three games is four point two years so they disagree on the numbers the N._F._l.. P._A. Says there the average N._F._l.. Career three point three years or remember we did the stats on that and found out that the first round pick if your first round pick and you start your average is seven years or something like that. He has a big difference between guys is that actually are drafted in guys who are undrafted and then guys who don't get to start in their first year August thumbs up. There's a whole bunch of factors that go in to who plays a certain length of time in the N._F._l.. Donna you can say that two thousand people is overturned every four years yeah so that would be just throwing numbers out there. That would be twenty five percent a year so that would be five hundred new N._F._l.. Player of the year there we go yeah but that's either trying to look out for these guys. You don't make it that long in the league. I think whatever I've just read for football. Did you see the Green Bay packers Akers. They're the only team that's public so they have to release their financials every year and they showed a two two hundred seventy four million dollar revenue receipt from the N._F._l.. So that means is that the N._F._l.. Handed out eight point seven billion dollars to the teams this two hundred seventy four million yeah per team per team salary cap is one ninety S. I think it's one eighty eight when eighty eight yeah bad they should be. They'll neurons stadiums. This is true two hundred seventy four million that Kabila stadium right we'll go to the players to two hundred seventy four but logo all the two hundred seventy four million. Does that include what the salary cap does separate so thirty eight billion dollars. I mean the N._F._l.. Only makes like ten billion yeah well. I think it's like a co op yeah yeah so anyhow at one hundred eighty eight million for the salary cap they get two hundred seventy that leaves the teams of eighty six million dollars then they got to do all the equipment they gotta pay coaches. I gotTa Pay Front Office Staff. After I gotTA do some maintenance on the stadium's most of them know they've got marketing promotions but what about the revenue is that including revenue sharing from like gear and the broadcast I think so yeah it it all goes into one pot and then they divided equally to <unk>. I really thought it'd be more than two hundred seventy two million actually but interesting to look further into that yeah and it'd be the next podcast. I want to know what the minimum is. You can have for salary cap what you can pay your team. We know the maximum is one eighty right 'cause he can roll it over. If you don't use all of that really I think so. I know we went through. We had her he. Moore's we had were only half our salary cat room. We were paying anybody. Anything often wondered what I've read it somewhere that there's a minimum that you have to pay at least a certain amount. I think it's like one hundred million. I think it would be interesting to see somebody go against the system and get a bunch of football players like off the streets and to see how it work. You know get a bunch of guys who were like would be would basically play for free and are are extremely extremely thrilled that they're getting the play like that. David Kennedy Guy we haven't heard from him he just he just disappeared on the radar there but we'll see how that turns out in training camp we need some bodies at defensive end so speaking speaking of which I went back and watched the I think it was last night and I'm for some more two thousand thirteen Arizona cardinals defense with Todd Bowles. Now I've been talking about you know but raving about how todd Bowles defense is going to do and how different it's going a B and unique and you can't really tell what's going on the formations aren't really identifiable Blah Blah Blah and I watched two games last night and I was worried got. I don't know where I got that information. From because the Games I watched you can immediately identify three four four three defense. You know he played both and they was pretty standard. Looking only difference was that they brought a lot of pressure. They did bring pressure from everywhere and I'm wondering you know if he plays that sometimes or if I just imagined. The this watch the cardinals yes so previously had you watch the jets no. I don't think with the jets that he really. I don't know how much control he had over the divas right. He wasn't offensive coordinator Casey ranters right so I don't I don't see the jets as indicative of what his defense is going to be now. Although defense might be totally different because I mean what I'm watching this from two thousand thirteen I was five years ago. I'm sure he's throwing some wrinkles wrinkles in since then but yeah I was really disappointed. I was like I'm looking at it. I'm going this looks like any other defense. No we're talking about blanchette somewhere else. I've I watched the cardinals but I'm going to go and I'm going to do the whole year. He was one of their two thousand thirteen. Yeah I think so the baby was the jets I'll look at the jets. The jets had really freaked me out at a deal fact. Check their what you know what I'm talking all this crap. People are GonNa Watch a game and go like graph doesn't know what he's talking. She can't be is to watch film. He's he's he's defenses. Look just like every other day but we were talking about that last night. I've never understood why defensive coordinator don't do that. No I call it the AMOEBA defense where it's just like a Blob of players that you can't because 'cause it's real big thing with quarterbacks we go up to the line they read the defense is a real big thing with defensive coordinators to try to trick them. Why not just have a defensive suppository are- that's just standing around basically yeah I mean it really doesn't do defense any good to be in possession? You know to be aligned at lined up kind of stand still so that the offense can see where they're at now. I'm not saying that all the time every now and then you see some defense will do that. I want to say Pittsburgh before where the guys are kind of standing up. Everybody's just standing out like milling about Chelsea enough. Everything is so the N._F._l.. Is a copycat league win. Anything catches on everybody starts doing it. It's kind of like with everybody hiring. All these young coaches now anybody that knows the top McVeigh is now a head coach. I mean if you step aside mcvay and in biology class of high school. We're going to hire you as a head coach N._f._l.. It's a copycat league and so that's why you get offense. Look the same. All defenses. Look the same so rare. If you get an offense kind of like you know the panthers do a lot of that option stuff but that was big there for a wild when we had R._G.. Three copy it's a copycat league. They popped up everywhere Cabernet Russell Wilson R._G.. Three team yeah and don't it's so rare when you get coaches that will really really go outside the box down still play within the confines of the game or the League. Don't what that's all about. You know the off season is like for the past ten years has been the best part of being a buccaneers fan because that's when optimism awesome is the highest and I really high this year on optimal what it's like the the closer the season gifts the more it might also be because I've been very vocal about how good I think everybody is going to be on the team and I'm starting the second guess myself. I was watching Matt Ryan tape of the day I he's just he played so well. Last year didn't get any credit for you know they. The trubisky dot approval over Matt Ryan that was ridiculous. It's a popularity hilarity. Contests yeah in trubisky popped up but everybody expects it from that run but I mean he he had numbers comparable to his sixteen season but that team still went what five eleven six ten it wasn't his fault. It was the defense US same thing yeah to go plagued with injuries. Clicking off earned the beginning of the season and pitches never recover but that's the thing with Atlanta is that it's kind of seems like they just have Matt Brian Julio Jones and then I guess you could say grady during on the defense but they don't have these lake shining stars that can pull the rest of the team up. Admit run doesn't seem to be that type of guy who's got that oath both yeah I mean technically he's he's fantastic but he just doesn't seem to have that oath to inspire people yeah now. They've got a cutback. He's their offense. Coordinator Heaves offense coordinator win and he played very well for cutter. They had a pretty dynamic offense so now Matt Ryan is not going to have to learn a new playbook already knows this most receivers. Do I have to change the terminology. No we're not no. Yeah they probably will he does whatever stage strategy he understands. clipboards stats explosives explosives so you know the more thinking about it. 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Falcons vs. Saints postgame: Dirk should be fired now

The Falcoholic

39:58 min | 10 months ago

Falcons vs. Saints postgame: Dirk should be fired now

"Introducing built to last a new podcast by american express. I'm elaine well trough. And i'm excited to host debut season where we will be deep diving into the stories history and continued legacy of small businesses. That shape american culture through these important conversations will hear how the black business leaders of our pass have inspired. Today's black owned small businesses and communities. Join us for the debut season of built to last on spotify apple youtube or wherever. You get your favorite podcast. This is the falcons. podcast official. Podcasting bland falcons on the sba nation. Podcast network dave walker. And i am joined by my partner in crime. Evan burchfield oh our you. I think we're very similar today. He w It's just another day. Being falcons fan bernie much unfortunately yes and in today's podcast. We are recapping falcons unfortunate loss to the new orleans saints. Twenty one to sixteen this game was in. Atlanta falcons had the opportunity to go against tastes hill yet again and boy. Did they squander it. I mean that's that may be an understatement actually this was a painful game. I would say for the first. Three and a half quarters i would. Argue the falcons defense played well for most of the game. They obviously gave up three touchdowns. But i think their overall play with solid. This was about the offense and it was about dirk cutter and it was about You know matt ryan ryan was off throughout the game until really until the fourth quarter In this is also about One of the worst. Ceres of play calls i've ever seen in my life In a game winning drive potential game winning. Drive for the falcons. And we're going to talk about all that but before we do. Let's talk about the injuries. Coming in. The falcons did come in with some relatively good health. Todd gurley was back. Julio was back the only player started that was out with james carpenter who got injured in last game. So tell us a little bit about the players that made it for the falcons in the guys who are inactive as well as the saints. Yes so for the falcons Quadri was inactive. Jalen hawkins who really hasn't been on the field a whole lot but during that packers game look pretty good before leaving with a concussion. tyler hall also active james carpenter as you mentioned inactive andean snot. Who used to be in this point. on the state side of things Defensive end markets data import randomly believe. Had a concussion. He was inactive. Runningback time. Gummy cornerback janoris jenkins wide receiver. Deonte harris quarterback trevor simian. When didn't even was on that team. quarterback green hailey tied in greer griffin in defensive. Tackle malcolm roach. That was the saints inactive so not a whole lot of key players. Aside from light. Marcus davenport jenkins's jenkins was ranked their their best coverage corner so Actually he's he's probably their best cover corner period even more so than the grabby lattimore. So i actually. His absence probably did hurt him. I think we saw some of that happened in the game. With especially with calvin ridley as he was absolutely just abusing the hell out of lattimore throughout the game we did unfortunately suffered some injuries in this game in these are definitely wants to keep an eye on Three guys have been contributing other. Either starters are a meaningful contributors. And they'll happen in the second half. And i do have to point this out with a bar. Writers at the site on beach We we have guys help cover During the game when injuries happen During the falcons game so we can get those injuries up on the site. You guys can read about it. He covered the first half of the game online. Has this freakish streak where he will agree to cover a half of the game in the no one gets injured the minute he quits covering that half of the game all of a sudden the falcons interest are yes in maine Got up gimpy. Second like an odd non had just gotten had just celebrated the fact that you know his is continuing. Then stephen means gets back so odd non. I blame you for the injuries. But in the second half ricardo alan did go out was eventually ruled out with concussion so obviously that could way into next. Sunday's game jacob toyota mariner Went out with a head slash neck injury so that one is definitely when to keep him around because he has actually been a pretty good player over the past s. Pass rusher if you pay attention to. Pf grades yeah so that that one's going to hurt a little bit in the nfc defensive player of the week. Yeah exactly And he and he is a player that honestly the entire year has been. I think playing a above his draft stock if you will He's someone that The falcons have been developing over the last several years and he's sort of paid off In so that's unfortunate Either smith looked like he suffered a head injury. Possibly concussion he did not finish the game in ultimately Todd gurley Did finish that drive. That either got injured in. That was the drive at the second last. Drive for the falcons. If you count their twenty seven second drive that truly ended the game. That was the drive that gurley command ran twice and ultimately Just didn't get anything done. If that's actually an understatement ways unfortunate so what are some of the big takeaways for you. Evan thinking back on this game and how it went That the play calling is atrocious. Last week i halted myself from getting too excited With the falcons pretty much dominating. The raiders You see how the raiders this week The ended up coming back against the jets but like they pretty much showed a loss to the jets. The jets yeah. I don't know i'm just. I'm kind of tired of this whole cutter thing wasting all this talent Anybody who thinks that dirk koetter is anything more than a below average offensive coordinator. Probably doesn't know a whole lot about football. You watch the game. It's like there's no game plan to play calling is completely out of left field doesn't make any sense As you mentioned there towards the end. I mean Third into why are you running. Todd gurley who is averaging two yards a carry on the ground in wasn't even really get much use to begin with I just i don't understand. It is like when they do seem to get hot through the air. It's like they just pull him back into the red zone. I mean you know young. Wake who has been taking out of his mind in has been the best kicker in the nfl mired in the in this year the but he does all avait. Will you know aside from the actual case a lot of it tuner under cutter because the offense just doesn't know what to do in the red zone Oh it's like. I mean if he was on a team with a competent offensive coordinator. He'd still be kicker but he wouldn't have nearly as many points as he has because he wouldn't have to get the ball that much but that's where we find ourselves where the offense is just black great Facing you know the best run defense in the nfl. And you're still going to late in the game when the game on the line Yeah i don't understand it. Yeah and that's the thing. Is that on that same dr ryan. Clearly things were clicking for him again. As i mentioned you know he was off target on several passes throughout the game although to be fair. I think there's plenty of blame to go round. The offensive line was not giving him a ton of protection early on Wide receivers were dropping perfectly thrown balls so there is plenty of blamed around. But i don't want people to accuse me of a biased towards ma ryan. He was not particularly good in the first half but on that last drive he was on point and he made the fantastic pass to calvin really Still don't know how he got that pass off. He was getting hit as he threw it in. It was a dime You know a big reason. Why the falcons looked like they were in prime position to take the lead late in the fourth quarter in then as you mentioned Dirk comes in and decides all of a sudden todd. Gurley is the man even though he you know he had one good run prior to that. I think it was a eleven yard. Run picked up a first down. Otherwise was invisible. The team was actually leaning more on either smith and brian hill throughout the game. I mean he gurley was at one. Point had one carry for minus one yards. And i think that was into the second half the game so that they had. They weren't even using him and all of a sudden at the very end of the game they decide mouse the time so i just completely a head. Scratcher ran him on second down on third down ended up setting up a fourth in mine and then on that fourth of nine play call just again just another terrible Looking at the play. That's that's the best you could come up with in the red zone. And i think that's that is. Why falcons fans right now are so frustrated and i said this on twitter on the repeat it. Here on the podcast. I don't know how you can evaluate any falcons offensive player right now with as bad as the coaching is. I don't know how you can separate the players from this terrible coaching to make any kind of meaningful evaluation. And that's across the board a player like a matt ryan and julio jones to veterans but also for younger guys like a lindstrom the kayla. Mcgarry how you evaluate them when they are being asked to do things that are repeatedly stupid. Stupid stupid stupid. Stupid playcalls How do you evaluate talent when you have literally people on twitter who follow this team making the play calls before they're guessing the play calls before they happen when you watch the defense stacking the box ready for the run as it comes in how you evaluate the talent when they were being set up to fail. And i think that's what we're seeing now with the team Evan let's talk about some of the stats. Because i feel like my blood pressure's gonna go up if we re donald. Let's talk with the falcons. Offense did a in this game. Yeah so ryan had went. Nineteen thirty nine. For two hundred. Seventy three yards a touchdown no interceptions and a passer rating of eighty point. four Yeah not me not day. Not a complete terrible day for ryan but you can see. He was limited by the play calling in. This offense was nearly In also there was some wide open. Drops I think the russel gage wants takes out to me the most in you could see. He was frustrated by 'cause on the sidelines he was like literally punching the bench But he i think he earned when he came back in Made some key grabs and stuff like that so The run game Atrocious smith as you mentioned pretty much was leading the day. He had eight carries for thirty six yards A long fifteen talked early was a nonfactor. He had eight carries for sixteen yards and brian hill had five carries for eighteen yards By you know as i mentioned saints had the defense in the nfl so you can't really expect him to run against them even though they dry. But whatever Calvin ridley led the day through the air five receptions hundred yards. No touchdowns was super close. julio jones on ten targets had six receptions for ninety four yards russell gauges i mentioned bounceback had four sections fifty one yards in the touchdown reception He didn't hearst really not a factor one catch for nine yards can don't quite understand that he's wanted him guys where. I think what you were mentioning about trying to evaluate a mayes inc with a competent offensive coordinator. He can play a bigger role four targets. But i don't know he just didn't feel like he was involved at all in that. Pretty much sums up the offense. I mean todd. Gurley had a reception for four yards. I think that was one of the first play of the game brandon powell's still being involved had one catch for nine yards back pretty much smith a catch for negative two yards Just kind of in Without cou he had another great game. As you mentioned. I mean we might as well just loop him with offensive weight I mean he i. Don i keep emitting every time he has these games like i was harsh on. I didn't think i didn't like them standing him the job. But he's absolutely I think he's like to. I believe the foul calling tweeted out. I to styling for tenth. All time in falcon single season field goal attempts with four and a half games. It's absurd He's wanted. I think he was the leading pro bowl. Vote vote for kickers definitely deserves it. Even though the game's not going to be playing because of the pandemic but Who knows him. he's completely earned the job in. Looks like the falcons. I mean somehow win. You know the if they lucky with one thing. It's really i mean going from matt brian. You arguably the best. Kicker in falcons history in ending up with a guy who's Really just having an incredible season deserving. I would argue not only of the pro bowl but potentially all pro gnawed he that's his white Quite good luck for this ranch is As for the saints their defense they didn't sack ryan as many times as they did last week. Which i guess is it's it's hard it's hard to talk guys did get a sack in this game David on your mother had one Trey hendrickson who. I think had like thirty eight in the last game. He had just one sack in. This game Carl granderson whoever the hell that is had a sack it looks like a i thought cam jordan had gotten one what looked like a matt ryan scrambled lost yard. He didn't officially get credited with one tomorrow. Davis linebacker had two tackles for loss. And honestly i don't think that tells the full story because it can't just be. Oh well ryan didn't get sacked a time so you know the the their job. I think he was under pressure under duress. He was just getting rid of the ball a little bit better than he did it again than he did. In the first game against the saints a will say though The saints secondary did not fare as well in this game. And i do think janoris jenkins being out was a factor. Marcus lattimore was absolutely just scorched. Repeatedly by calvin ridley either calvin was making a catches or he was drawing. Pass interference by lattimore so for for falcon spans. Who repeatedly say that lattimore is overrated. And he gets away with holding in. Dpi all the all the time. This certainly was the game to back that up He did not game against rattling So i don't know about you. I feel like yes. The defense gave up twenty one points But this offense at least in the two games against the saints has been the bigger letdown in for me. It's not even close. I feel like defense. did enough that. They should be able to win. again i i just go back to that last driving. And how close they were to be able to take the lead in into watch squandered almost purely by poor coaching decisions By dirk koetter was the most painful part of this game. And i don't know that. I wanted the falcons to win because i think it would have created again some faith in remorse in up. I feel like that. That doors closed any idea that he has retained as head. Coach is gone. I don't see how. Arthur blank can keep around the coach that lost to the saints twice in this fashion. So i have mixed emotions maybe Disfavor that last drive. I just a frustrating game in the any final thoughts. On the falcons offense will move on. Yeah if i can just add You know are matching. Did excellent article this week about the x. factor of cam jordan against Kayla mcgarry who gave up three sacks in the previous match up two weeks ago in you know to his credit came jordan no sacks. Mcgarry looked a lot better not perfect by teammates but a lot better. That's often you know if you're interested in reading. It's a pretty good read on their Because i mean eight sacks. Two weeks ago it's absurd. They still gave up you know. What is it three sacks or whatever. That's not great. But i think i think the weak spot on offense line for obvious. Reasons was left guard where mcrae came in play for carpenter who hasn't been terrible this year but is now dealing with that groin injuries. Oh so maybe we'll see hennessy. Later you know next week or whatever but or for that matter player kind of player we've been talking about for past two and a half years Gono has constantly been on the radar then is just buried on the bench for whatever reason Yeah so i would love to see him. Get a shot as young player with some upside all right. So we're gonna talk about the falcons defense In unfortunately The saints offense. But we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back support for this. Podcast comes from microsoft teams now. There are more ways to be a team with microsoft teams. Bring everyone together in one space with a new virtual room. Collaborate live drawing sharing and building ideas with everyone on the same page and make more of your team has seen and heard with up to forty nine people on screen at once. Learn more about all the newest teams features at microsoft dot com slash teams. We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach with. Ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson. Ai while predicting demands with ease the world is going hybrid with ibm visit ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud. We're back on the podcast. Dave walker joined by my partner. Evan burchfield we're recapping. The falcons twenty one to sixteen loss to the new orleans saints in atlanta weeks. Our team of the nfl This was evident. I think one of the games where the final score doesn't tell the full story the game We talked about the offense in the first half. I feel like the defense again. Did their part and especially. I think the biggest frustration here is the offense. Has the most money invested in if you will we. You've got multiple first round picks You traded a second round pick for hayden hearst. Who was invisible in this game. Might've one catches you mentioned earlier. you've got matt ryan who jones with two big contracts calvin ridley first round pick offensive line with kayla gary chris lindstrom both first round picks And you know just across the u sign. Six million dollars todd gurley to come in and help the run game and it. The offense did not in my mind. Hold up there in the bargain. So we'll talk about what the defense did. Because ultimately i think if you're evaluating this team for the future i'm actually more impressed with what the defense has done over the past several weeks in anything. The offense has done and that includes by the way. The raiders game The forty three to six victory. In which i think people were overstating including some people. Very close to the falcons. No names are going to go out and my from my mouth. I think something Overstating how good the falcons offense was. I do not think they were getting game in. That is against a raiders. Defense that was second to last in the league in sacks and not a particularly good defense. so let's talk about. What the falcons defense did. Because i feel like they're being setup when you have to play a game because the offense is going three and out repeatedly or the offense is just failing to generate any kind of mainly a meeting momentum on their side the ball it puts more strain on the defense So wanted to tell us about what the saints offense didn't game and i'll recap some of the defensive stars. Yeah so tatum. Hill finally threw a touchdown for the first time since twenty sixteen. us pay. He was painfully efficient. Dominant if you will. You went twenty seven thirty seven for two hundred and thirty two yards two touchdowns in a passer rating of one seven He didn't make mistakes. He ended up one fumble late in the game but it ruled out of bounds. Conveniently enough So kudos to him. He fourteen A russia's i guess technically for eighty three yards One one of which was forty three yards often in the on the run game alvin. Kamara had fifteen carries for eight yards and a touchdown efficient day for him In the passing game michael. Thomas had eleven targets nine receptions hundred five yards drake wants may have had three catches for forty two yards. And a wide open touchdown that literally literally caught actually probably would drop the ball by the. I don't know how how hard tastes a mill throws but yeah it was embarrassing. How wide open he was. Meanwhile cedar had five receptions for thirty nine yards endured cook award Three recessions for twenty eight yards. Three touchdown of flashback real quick. But i'm back and i'm fine. But yeah they they all want to be clear. I don't think the defense is good. I just think that they have been better than the offense is clearly those stats. Make me like a fool. I don't wanna over hype the defense. I don't feel like they're you know a great defense. I think they've been playing better than the offense that they've been carrying more weight for this team than than the offense. That's definitely bad game. Blake the it was a tough match up anyways. I would have rather faced breeze looking at these numbers taste hill. I mean twenty seven thirty seven to thirty two touchdowns that any quarterback does. That isn't going lose you game. The promise to reason running fourteen times for eighty three yards ryan. That's where they they could not stop the run which they've actually been pretty good run defense The first time by anything today they they. I mean josh jacobs last week was up and down so varied or whatever shutting down as well and chimera in the first game. We plan that he had done a really good job of of making him. A non factor in the running game. So i do think they deserve credit for that. In this game you know early on was ineffective until it again. When you're on the field that much eventually things start to break down and i think that's ultimately what happened with the defense But yeah as far as the defense Sax on the day. Stephen means ended up with the only sacks he had to one of which forced a fumble and that fumble i believe was recovered by dion jones. Aj trail also forced a fumble. That's the one that bounced in went out of bounds towards very ended the game and on the day dion jones for your lucon a aj. Tyrel had eight tackles each tyler. Davidson county over. A second with four tackles Obviously not a ton of good to say about the defense overall a. It's more about their ability to show up at key moments in you know. They have been forcing turnovers lately. Which i think is something. They deserve some credit for. And you've got guys like stephen manes who stepped up this week Last week it was jacob toyota. Mariner and that's what i see at least with his defense you've got guys who were stepping up At random spots whereas offense with all of their talent with a julio jones cowburn relieved. Todd gurley matt ryan Are just the again sixteen points. Sixteen points against the saints in the saints to their credit. Have a good defense. They have good pass rush. They've got some good players in secondary. But its sixteen points you. You've got to put up more points than that and that's where i as poorly as the defense may look at times in my mind. The offense is doubly so But in total. I will say if you're looking is defense for the future. I feel good about a lot of these players. Aj terrell in particular. evan your opinion is but what i'm seeing from him is. He is in in position to make plays on almost every single play. He may not he. He may be giving up receptions. Like today i saw him give up a couple reception. So michael thomas where he was just he was in the right spot but tomei plan the ball For me right now with the loss season like what. this is. The falcons our foreign aid. There's no way they're gonna make. The playoffs is point in seasons. Lost like this i. I'm clinging into those guys to the age rails to the stephen means to You know the foyer. Luke on these younger players that could potentially be contributors for next coaching staff my alabama with that or do you feel like some of these guys are worth a keeping on. No i mean because they've been flashing even when the team is getting whooped Terrell has been graded as the if you pay attention a pf grades. And i know some people don't care for him but he's been great as the top rookie corner In two or three taken ahead of him i know. Cj henderson with the jags in the lions got remember. What's his face. I forgot his name you know what i'm talking about from ohio state Because of ideas were rumored trade up for him but they stay you know got terrell in. He's he's been graded as the top rookie corner. So that's something to look forward to go on. I like the lucan You know. Stephen means has randomly been pretty efficient Silent mind him like sticking around. I know he's not super younger. Anything but You gotta build also meeting. Just why the whole slate clean. Just bring a new guys. Some of these guys are going to stick around just because a cap space and out contracts. Where key on neil has in my opinion looked much improved especially since he's had to you know season ending injuries. I don't know what more you could want from him. I think the big problem is duncan. Fowler i'm was it was unpopular by with a critic of it when it happened when they decided to sign him. I just looked at the tape. You look at the stats. He his best seasons where with aaron donald literally probably the best defensive lineman in the nfl So yeah naturally you're gonna be better. Clay matthews had eight sacks. He's in an nfl team this year Daunting foul has not looked impressive at all Denard has had some flashes where he's look good in some games where he just has a. He was the guy covering trae. Kwan smith when he was wide open in the end zone But i think more bussey coverage than anything Looks like he's lost a step which pains me to say. Because i'm a big fan but Logger mike walker has been testing a grading as one of the better linebackers You know this year so there are players there who could be built upon. It'll be interesting to see. What kind of defensive mind they have next if the scheme changes at all. But yeah tanner. Your there are pieces they are. You don't need to throw this team away Mariner i mean like i said earlier Literally eddy defensive player of the week last week in seem like a you know i know. He got injured in the game but he wasn't getting a ton of usage early on in he was out there in ended up getting hurt. So i don't know. There's there's some guys who i wish weren't on the team but as with fowler because of the the cap in his contract for they are and that's what's up says he's gonna be around regardless so hopefully he can improve. Maybe if they are able to lead him into more of a situational role instead of. Hey your best pass rusher. Because he's just not god ruling and he's never really been that guy he is good. He is good enough pack like a pack of dogs. He is one of the better dogs but the lone wolf. Great greg again. I think you're exactly right and and that's what we're seeing in. Obviously you know the the quick in an incredible demise of attack. Mckinley certainly did not help with him. And i think that would have been potentially formidable if either of them could have been healthy at the same time. Which didn't ever seen the happen during the season but that ship has sailed in as you mentioned you know. We're we're now looking forward to what a new coaching staff will do. As far as evaluating these guys figure out how to use them and to close out the podcast. I want to say this The falcons did not get to play breweries At all this year we unless the saints surprises in extend him on another contract which mocking to rule out but the situation with the twenty twenty one cap is going to dictate a lot of that It's unfortunate that we lost two games. To the saints. Embroideries was not involved with any of it. Yes i know. I'm saying juries i refuse to calm anything else at this point The fact that we lost take him hill in two games against the saints And i know you know the nfl commenters the people up top they desperately want tastes. The next steve young they want him to be the next star. And it's just not going to be kiss. The falcons have made him look better than he is. He is literally played. The falcons twice in the broncos. I don't think you can crown him yet. Yes the broncos wide receiver playing quarterback. He has not had to face real competition to this point. And the falcons lost twice to that team so in my mind all of this talk about. Whether or not raheem morris would potentially be able to stay on as the head coach. It's done it's done and i know. A lot of people are skeptical about arthur blank in his decision. Making but i will say this when you lose to your hated rival twice in the same year and you lose two after a bye week which was two weeks ago. The falcons came off a bye and still managed to lose to them. And you lose this week in the fashion that they did where they had the opportunity to win but literally coaching incompetence led to the loss. I don't see a path for morris. Stay on as head coach. The team i literally think this game was the nail in the coffin for rehim. And i actually like him. I like him a lot. As a coach. I think he has got The pedigree to be a head coach in this league. I just don't think it will be the falcons. And i think this game cemented that Evan do greedy feel like this is the end or should be the end of the talk over him staying on his head coach. Definitely i think for me. It was already made up in my mind because of the decision to keep their cut around. Obviously you're not going to transform an offense completely during a season but he was able to make moves on special teams. I believe the running back coach became the special teams coordinator after fired. Been cada quarter whenever we always miss his name up every week but yet you keep their cutter in you know. In my opinion that pretty much shows right there that you're not really taking this job seriously I wanted him to do well. But you know the this. This just ain't gonna cut here lose to the saints twice Played better more favorable offenses. Say what you want about. Dan quinn announced earlier in the season playing the seahawks in cowboys offenses cowboys offense. Which had that press about the time. Obviously how that game way. Those are. Those were taught offenses. You know l. e. See how the team is now. Still not making any changes on the offensive side of the ball. Which was the problem two weeks ago when of howkins literally just kicked field goals. I think it was nine points that they put up. Now they put up sixteen tough defense but thousands offense under a competent officers buying probably would have scored at least not ran. The we talk girly in that situation. So i don't know i. I wanted ricky more. I'd like him but there's just nothing there you know. I know the record has improved a ton under him. But even so you gotta get a clean. Swipe of the whole staff bring in some new people bringing the new. Gm stuff like dan let them figure things out. But i think we need to turn the page on the past. Because you can. You can't change the pliers because that's how contracts work but you can change the stack in the grillwork wells said The falcons have four more games. The next game is on the road against the chargers who many people call. The falcons. Have as an i imagine the fourth quarter just repeated Back and forth of losing the lead. They they finish up the season next week against the chargers and they play the buccaneers at home on the road against the chiefs in last game in tampa bay against the bucks on january third. I suspect humorous and the staff will be fired on january force so evan. Why don't you remind our listeners can find you what you've got going on You find me at the college dot com. You can find me on twitter at burchfield. I do a lot of injury reports. the app in pretty much wednesday through friday in those giving kind of the best knowledge on they spent that weekend. Who is banged up that sort of thing so check that out in just read on our continent dot com Some really good stuff going on right. Now i know aired robinson lowly dipped his toe into the draft Season because. I mean i technically the falcons. Before today had a chance to make the playoffs they were in the hunt for one of the wild card spots. Pretty much eliminated today in your whole now. It's done. The the falcons will be losing their tails Guys you find me on twitter at alcoholic d-w updates on this podcast at colic pie. And as irving mentioned our articles daily at the alcoholic dot com. Got four more to go folks. Stay with us. We'll be back here next week with the post game podcast recapping. Whatever the hell happens in game against the chargers so forever virtual stable walker. Thank you guys for listening in. We'll talk with the next time.

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RPDC 18: How to: Respect Books

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RPDC 18: How to: Respect Books

"The following podcasts contains strong language ridiculous. Cartoon scenarios conjured up by to claim comedy wizards. Between you and me them or like saturday morning court jesters fueled by sugary cereal but either way the opinions expressed in presented are mere musings. So please humor there well well-intentioned hijinks with a laugh and not taking anything. They say seriously it. You want to pay them to say something else could always use. New shoes lost everybody. This is review party dot com. I'm brent i'm matt. This is the only comedy podcast. That reviews reviews. You know we don't we. Don't give up the stars you know we. We don't want him to make them feel bad. We got something to say about. These user generated interviews. It's usually funny. I would like to think. I do think and today i'd like to. I'd like to get started. Warmed up so to speak by putting matt on blast. Oh i haven't discussed this with beforehand. But i'd like him to feel like the. The lights are swinging down. The studio lights are beating down. Upon as i ask him. This question. You know i'll be nice and if you can't think of it right away. I'll tell my own story i'll i'll do it. I'll answer the question for you. But i expect better of you. Okay okay matt. brian win. Don't do that cool. When i don't think it's possible. Says sentence and be cool. When was your most embarrassing fart Even you're taking it seriously. Yeah that's a tough one. Because i do have an embarrassing leg. Like twelve humor story but embarrassing fart frawley. Just in class is is to be honest. Maybe like doing sit ups in gym. I've got a much more embarrassing. Just like toilet humor story that i could tell assure all right for it up. Sure we'll speak to me. It was a few years ago at work at my at. My job is recent yes afraid. Now s till the upgraded is I went to the bathroom as one does from time to time as a human being needs to do and also animals shout. Animals showed animal taken dumps everywhere. Unlike an animal. I went to the bathroom to take mine and install like a millennial probably on my phone win. What happens but my boss walks in and starts asking me questions and talking about stuff about work related no directly to work at. I know even when when. Somebody's just walking in in in standing at the urinal right next to the stall. I'm like freeze everything. Enter stasis mode like a like an alien laser hit you and you're just wall trafton blaze your atoms cease to move. Yeah so this is my bus just talking about okay. So we're gonna yeah we can. We can produce that we can send out to them. Okay okay should be. We should be able to do that. That's fine that's great and then he says okay. Thanks emily as if call the meeting email. And i have about this. Apparently it couldn't wait. I don't know and and somehow he knew to go there to find me and he says thanks no problem on one hand. I'd be relieved. He didn't he wasn't like how long have you been in here because that would be true terror but on the other hand. How uncomfortable saw uncomfortable. Needless to say. I stopped using the bathroom on my floor from that day four round. Oh man this is i. I don't know if this was funny. The office i used to work at man may i. My my theory is just lazy. People works they're lazy. Slacker like me that really cherish their bathroom time but every bathroom was always full you had to search the building for free saul sometimes lets you know everybody. There's a handful bathrooms. They all have like three stars and the which is a lot for dude bathroom. That's true but now i'll tell my story. I can't hyphen up either. People hanging of it was in second grade during our so. You know i always feel. I was a slacker. Who took took my grades a little seriously. But this was not to reveal the joke of the story. But this was the dinosaur test right. And i always fashioned myself quite the dinosaur you know dinosaur expert dino meal expert yeah yet donald meal expert and i think this was probably passed the time where i wanted to be a paleontologist. Okay i think those delusions of grandeur had already faded for my head probably wanted to be sunny cool by second grade and science like a scientists that doesn't have to live in the desert like really solid do. Yeah that's what i found out like. I realized like you have to like living a desert and a trailer like nine months of the year being hot dust and bones hidden shit with pick ax is like no. That's not the that's not the way for me. I'll just look at their work in the museum. I'll just appreciate. It'd be a paleontologist. Appreciator is far too my row. Anyway i was taking this device are really seriously. You know a lot of self-confidence road on this dinosaur test and So you picture you know second grade. You got the qual- deaths the four desks facing each other ear desk partners. You got the dual folder on each side to prevent cheating so you're locked in your low realm so we're in the middle of tests and i'm sure it was nerves but i let out a big long loud fart and everyone laughed and i did. The worst thing you could possibly do was was shut. It wasn't yeah ruin it. Yeah that makes a totally obvious. Who and i. I don't remember how. I wish i knew how i did on that test. I'm fine dinosaur dork. But yeah i do remember. I could never forget that intensely embarrassing moments. You got our little review here. Say mr you got a review. I feel like we re just sitting in the nineties there with your story so us back to the nineties with this. This is a review of the final blockbuster in the world in bend oregon is really it or i feel like there's a fake twitter. It's just like a joke. Twitter that tweets but then as the real the real final blockbuster about hop owned blockbuster counter stay open you. They're just persevering and now like they're they're capitalizing on that novelty but yeah i still do the same functions that a blockbuster would do This is a google review written by k v. Her full cave. He writes. Tim burton's batman was playing in everyone. There was into it between doing what we were there for and it felt like the nineties. I could not easily myself away from the nineties. Can these days fivestarsoap i mean. That's that's that reviews the total vibe. It's he's such a vibe. I feel like i'm there like i caught. I caught a peep of of the big. Tv that's attached to the ceiling. And i see it's batman and interstate us once again. And i'm just watching danny devito penguin or something man. I wanted to work at my local video store so bad i still wanna work at a video store but like just let us never went. Well i guess. I don't know i feel like the perfect guy. I'd like a guy from a movie about a guy that works in a video store and you can talk about movies you can i. Yeah can talk about movies portly. I have a beard Long hair have a lot of strong unreasonably strong opinions media and candy. I assume either. I don't have the biggest sweet tooth. But yeah i'll challenge chocolate bar every now. That would be my niche. If i worked at a video store. If you're gonna watch steel magnolias. You're going to want some bottle caps to go with that. Yeah i guess disclosure. i When i worked at overnights at a hotel. I would definitely have a dr pepper at a hostess cupcake. Every sort of meantime you know Just a chill on this sugary soda at us. How does that even taste. Good those two hyper sweet things. I'm a maniac. I w- insane. Say i think i would do one. And then the other probably have the dr pepper. The became night pep. Put pepper my step. Anyway yeah i love video stars but i was never able to work at one. I you know Like i wanna be. I wanna be randall from clerks. That's my greatest role as a stroll the isles again. See the see the covers duty. Come visit once the backstage price read torres over. There's a family video still walking distance. Okay okay yeah. It's but the funny thing. There's some family videos. Open over over here in wisconsin still. They're not a rare sight. There's a couple illinois the thing is they They i don't think the their main hustle is videos anymore. That's just sorta they got to keep those around but really judging from the sign edge. The excessive silage. Cbd's now so at family radio. I have signs they. You can't miss them. One in wheeling or something that i've driven past wheeling on we've got everything from cbd to dvd coban in. Okay jet your cbd here cbd in giant letters so they must be making bank off fake. We'd so they're they're taking it to the next level. I was picturing myself a pseudo somali of of candy for what you're gonna watch their like. If you're gonna watch steel magnolias. You're going to want some of this devils blue. Cbd the cbd south whenever what happ- what state olea about old people lightly and he's gonna watch with redford grows every every time every time he says. What's what's redford grows about. It's a boy and his dogs and the dogs. Does the dog died. I think so. I think that's not old yeller. It's a different. Yeah just sort of about a boy living in the countryside having adventures with his dog and then it dies at the end. Yeah that's most most of us stories every it's like drinking game every time The the kid says something says something. Weird redneck word likes patilally. You've got to put some salve on your nipples people. Cpt fast entry. Okay y- sprays you. And all that. I just like to take cd oil and just rub it. Into every nook and cranny my body is sort of become a you know sick sagnier learn. Do you can't even rub it all in and just come like iceman from the x. men but instead of ice with these images in mind you have ever review sure. This is a review for this. I let is quite the stark contrast yours toes-to-toes chunky mild salsa amazon. Okay This is if you by gene in md She says in all caps lifesaver pandemic. Isolation munchies are piling on the pounds. Not so healthy. Munchies are being met by a worthy opponent. Oh four stars oh. Entering the ring ladies and gentlemen toasted who extra chunky south he had vanquished your corn dog cravings and less caught. We have gene in. Md's sizable case of the munchies. Who will come out on top folks. I fucking love. Toasty us chunky. Mild salsa i like newman's own because he's hot guy lou one's own. He's the same guy with the salad. Dressing paul newman salsa. Yeah it's good. Yeah he's a garden salsa he's oh how yeah i forgot his sort of thing is like when he's in a different outfit for every he's got a little sombrero on a roads and author this also i feel like you know be the fans the people listening to weaken and they they get they get at brand they get it off about hating racism. It's a it's almost like what are you. Try to hide at this point but newman's own looking a race slightly slightly insensitive. We'll say that at least yeah. I'm surprised he can't keep getting away with this. He's dead so. I gotta cancel leuven. Uncle ben's is now bands original Really i didn't know that. Yeah it's like the same blue font on an orange background but we'll with no black guy. Smiling man no no violent man. I love that. Violent man were brainwashed into thinking. That's okay i guess. So but newman's own black bean and corn salsa he's okay to have a like a like a some rare oh her kid this sensitivity is rated medium chunky. This is some medium chunky and substantively. It's not so spicy. That's why it's not you know it's not too spicy. Yeah yeah that's gonna come out fine. You can have can rest. It's rest good cheap for every you know insensitive. Paul newman caricature there. Is paul new. Meaning a beekeeper's outfit for his honeymoon dressing. Yeah he's sort of like mario and mario odyssey. You can just dressing up wherever you want. I really liked the one. It's a treat. I forget which dressing. It's like asian ginger dressing on the easter dress. Botchy show okay. That was somehow actually not as bad as i thought. Is he a geisha ours. Love whole now a a line. No food i can dress up for different. You know. what's a good product that has like a lot of flavors. I really liked like kool-aid and gatorade and stuff tease. Maybe tease could work yet. Every flavor tijuana address up as a different stereotype. That'd be great. Some get know the hornets craft. We got a billion dollar campaign on our hands. The idea right here before we get too carried away. You gotta review. Let's let's keep bouncing back. Okay i've got a review for the publix supermarket at beach. Way plaza in denia beach florida and i found this review. Because i i found a google viewer named miami magician's magician and i thought it's going to be great if i find some sort of outlandish review that is clearly written by a magician and i found it in the public supermarket review. The miami magicians rights manager. Call the police on a lady forgiving the ducks outside a cup of water as a customer. That upset me one-star you knew the read that again manager. Call the police on a lady forgiving the ducks outside a cup of water as a customer. That upset me once. Who's this was serious. Deduct saving vigilante. What are you doing there. You can't give water to ducks. Who does the manager. Only ducks ducks through these. These are just some ducks some floridian definitely. What are these just cuba. So water dude. It's not she's not even giving them bread. It's not like they're going to keep coming around looking for hydration at your shitty hotel. I'm looking at the map of where this hotel is as right by the supermarket. Excuse me i'm looking for. I'm looking at this supermarket is it's right by the beach. There's lots of ducks. They're not doing anything that anybody hayes keeps those are nuisances nuisance makers those are nothing but trouble if they're not seagulls there at the rats with wings some ducks right. I just picture the lady you know that lady that called the called the police of those very nice people having a barbecue. Yeah and there's just gifts of her like on the phone in her sunglasses like trying to be all straight face and pissed for just any person. Yup that's why picture this manager like set of stutz. Release these duck. Feeders and i picture so that's one half a story the other half. I picture the woman feeding ducks. She's like she's like legend of zelda fairy princess like sent out from the heavens feed these you know keep these nice and dunks going. Yeah and the ducks are just. This is the time of their lives. Imagine the the beach. That's near the lauderdale. Hollywood international airport has very nice water. Let's have some tap get some ducks some public water. Yes some public. A little super mario kart public's it's it's every of the ducks not part of the public. Yeah the duck to me. That duck is an american citizen member of of the. Us avai folks. I maybe not outraged about this. The manager called the police on lady. It's one thing to come out and say don't give those ducks water right now to skip leg up through that and go straight to. I'm i'm call the fucking cops on nine. Hello someone is giving ducks blotter outside. End up magician witnessed this. The magician is upset this. This makes the renaissance painting. I'm trying to mind that. That's really the kicker you you are though. The magician is represented the audience. But it's just fucked guyana hokey magician's outfit the curly mustache. It's newman himself in as magician outfit. Oh boy oh. G give the ducks. Water gives the dachshund water. You know now. I wanna go crazy air crazy call. Early break okay. We've been working hard for you. People yes. I said if you peaceful not you people listeners. So deathly sandy. Don don't try and fed me madam going down okay. I'll give this podcast. Hey everybody thank you for listening to our lovely little podcast if you go above and beyond in supporting our show or have the most fabulous conversation starters in sliced bread go to review party dot com dot com click on shop and explore some fabulous t shirt designs. Where's your favorite place. Where t shirt on my body mine. Mine is at the store to wear a t shirt review dot com dot com. click shop. Why south there don't stop now. Don't stop me now because buying a t shirt by ladies and gentlemen welcome back from the break and welcome to review. Redux the segment where we revisit. Some of our favorite review. Sorry young sound. I forgot all that yeah came late. I forgot the button. That's all right. 'cause we're just gonna skip right into this excitement. We're going to revisit our good friend. Craig s offering on craig's son. Craig south nobody's long listening. Craig santi crayon of old friend an old friend who were about to know even even better. Yes for those who don't remember Craig was heavily featured in episode five craig. John is a man who loved hardy's in tokyo japan very much. And we you know. Go treat yourself episode five if you remember that you treat yourself again if you do remember. It definitely gives money so craig's yup account his profile page in light insist that he calls himself craig. Darth crater s no changes everything is quote below his Elite twenty eighteen seventeen sixteen status is made. The four could be with you. Yes back on. Craig back team craig. What a roller coaster. This is already at right. I have a couple of reviews from craig here. I think i'll just read them will react if we have to orders. Appreciate this this dude. This is a review for merola 's restaurant in coral springs florida craig rates. The owner has the memory of an elephant. He not only remembers you but he remembers what you ordered and what wine you drank as well. Don't come here and get into an argument with your spouse over dinner. If he or she goes missing he's the first one the cops are gonna talk to allow. Needless to say the customer service here is on another level but hit the laugh out loud but now that one folks bombs yeah. This one's staffing that when their I have a review for malaysia. Air craig rates my flight attendants professionalism left a lasting first impression. That not only speaks to his character but reflects positively on the airline and the entire country itself. His customer service skills helped to ease. The anxiety felt toward entering a country that practices sharia law. Like what if. I met a girl and i stole her heart. What part of me would they cut off anyway. I always in good hands. Keyword hands five stars. What the fuck you talking about. Craig what is your i. I'm back off team. Craig sharia law missile. I know that what what the hell is this pilot television though is what they're gonna you're gonna cut off your hands. I think is what it was is was that is just elaborate joke so he could do the hands punchline it could have been. I don't know what is what is this pilot do. Let's not to on too long. I have afraid of was the pilot over the cup void. Sharia law telling you what will happen. And where and why. He's making him sound like a shiny night. Craig- craig's insane. We haven't reached rename. Craig's should own segment the insane reviewer. He's pretty wild okay Let's see craig reviews the cornerstone bar and grill in ottawa ontario. I'm giving it four stars because my waitress was acting like it was your last day on the job and she didn't care anymore. To be honest it was more of a three star experience. But i'm not gonna punish the owners or anything. She did. What mattered most was that. The food was great. The garden salad with shredded carrots reveal peppers and a whole other host of. I don't usually eat and champagne vinaigrette. Dressing took it to another level. He said a cuss but he like asterix it out. Okay oh and. I finally tried the impossible burger or whatever. It's called lettuce tomato onion pickles and some secret sauce on the bottom. It tastes so real juicy succulent and drips. Just like a real burger enough to make pinocchio feel like a real boy an ally for star nokia. doesn't he burgers. feel real. No hill craig craig. That was a nice review. That was making a lot of sense to me was very straightforward. And mr craig the fucking joker over here want to see how it got. These scars biting bill old hamburger. Kinda gone if you wanna take craig back to where we know. Okay i have craig's review for kfc chicane can't see dog in zaka hell. Yeah crates fertilizer. Twenty first disappointing meal. I've eaten in japan. The quality has declined. The prices have increased and the portions have gotten smaller. And what's with this colonel ing potato both. Bring the fries back. Give me my chips. I want thousand dollars ships. Chris tucker voice. What the hell is this. Who to start. Should i try. And do the chris tucker voice. I want in dallas last i i. I don't know if you remember this little treat for the heads of the last time. I tried to make a. Chris tucker joke that i think that may be. The joke edited for content out craig. Craig's got the confidence to go for it. he does. We got craig on the show. So yeah we met craig creggan. We questioned why he was in japan. Eating eating at carl's junior he. He claims to be god. Damn she jeop- jeopardy. Japan kfc expert. Who is this renaissance moderate rice. I don't know. I have one final review from craig john. The royal park hotel. The haneda japan just tech into the aurora suite at the pork rail hotel haneda and it's fourteen royal at her royal park parked car. Royal royal hotel pork royals from now on. Because that's craig was there to eat. He said it's fucking incredible. There's nothing else to say. Five stars greg. I wanna know he might drops on it. Can you message people on e. l. Invite you to ask. you can send a message. We're going to get in contact with craig folk i is. He active when last review Sort by dates. Last view i see was back in february. Oh that's so he's f. I don't crack. He's hunt down another place. The right of great review about this miami. I might wrong. So i'm listen. I've personally making my mission to track this master down. He is going to be on this show for better for worse. And i think that's that that cliffhanger is a great way to end the segment. Yes it is so. I don't know why i don't know when but whoever this international man of mystery as he we're gonna we're gonna be. We're going to be tunnel in his brains on this episode. You get a quote at yeah. He's he's got a will. Read your messages craig. Better on the show we. We don't care listen i got. I got speaking of me. The fork be with you. I have review of star wars. The empire strikes back nice according to amazon by mark hamill. sorry. George looks like could mark. Did this one. This review is written by awesome garg any titles and the best. Not the best movie. I've ever watched look very interested. What starts it. Oh i'm so sorry. I headed over this review. Three out of five stars i. It's not thought the best movie. I ever watch very interesting. That's what you say about something you watch in class. We had to watch gatica in biology. Also i love gatica. I'm just as an example movie but it's interesting it is interesting gattikers interesting. Go watch gatica gallagher. It's not hours. Gatica has got That that little handsome guy in so many you know you know him. Several movie urine sir. Well i could describe it as that ethan hawke. That's his name ethan. Hawke sars of gallagher. It's probably wild right. There's there's nothing wrong with saying star. Wars isn't the best movie person but let me let you finish but stars empire strikes back it do be the best movie. That's pretty darn good. Yeah i i wanted. So i clear this review one because it's wild and two because i just want to talk about star wars empire strikes magazine also as please continue. It's more than interesting. I guess he's not like he's not like nothing is saying. Is patently false. Maybe he really likes the puff. The magic dragon. Vhs his parents put on for him as a kid. But i have to save. Oh puff the magic dragon. The best movie. I've ever watched but very interesting. Yeah a very interesting. Little jackie paper. That will give you some some strange feelings. Man get some strange feelings every iota scene and expect those are so good you cannot. You can't tell me. Mark camel was or is a bad actor with those saints him in the puppet heaven frank work in it out dude. Yeah ooh gets me every time. Yeah you really feel the relationship there. Oh yeah it's a real. It's the the more you know beyond the mentor. Men t the sensi and the pupil. You get that that grant. Those feelings gone Who who has it who it is. It's very interesting yeah I don't know that. I have any more to say on that. Yeah i you know we. What is there more to be say start. We said sour as empire strikes back dooby Screen we told people. Go watch it but we talked puffs magic dragon. That checks all boxes. Yeah sort of talent cleanse. I an amazon roof. Your another movie is actually came up on on a different podcast. I was guesting on called. That's what i meant if you're interested in that we can. We can plug that at the end and sorry that i spoil this question for those listeners. Who go and check it out. This is a review for the movie cutting class. It's a low budget horror movie. That is also the first movie to feature one of our favourite actors whose whose featured off spy cast pretty heavily recently. kevin spacey. No now much taste you. That i think i know who you're talking. I think you know who it is anyway. If you recall that the dino oatmeal eggs review you felt like that was something that you had written and just forgotten about. I feel like this review. Something i've written and just forgot about but amazon user beans and things is the credited added little. There's too strong to cutting classes. The movie get it. Cutting like someone's gonna get sliced slasher beans and things titles their review cheesy but at least it's yummy told you like i wrote it beans and things writes this is a fun eighty slasher flick. That doesn't take itself too seriously. Lots of silly lines. Such as i'm a yankee doodle killer and have you ever felt my tingle wanna put that in context yeah eighties ice cream cheese at its best crazy killer mystery where everyone is a suspect and the deaths are just as weird as the personalities. I highly recommend this flick for a giggly night with a friend. There's one wet bubis. Seen the girl walks. I what movie scene. That's about it for naughty. Got to expect that for the time period so cheesy but at least it was sharp cheddar not roquefort hat liam type of cheese which it's refineries i. I just wanna know if that's an apt metaphor. We'll have to find a way to watch this. The only thing. I disliked the packaging while brad pitt was not the star male role. His picture is plastered on the dvd cover. That's lame commercialism of trying to sell the product with his picture. If you can forgive that cutting classes a great be horror flick. That's well worth a look for stars. What a great review right. allie times. We really really take the piss out of some of these reviews As a nice one. I feel like i'm gonna. I'm gonna be revisiting beans and things at some point. Yeah i feel informed. Thank you beans and thanks making my beans and things feel real comforted Sorry it feels so much like something. I would rate is cute. Have you ever felt like single. I wanna know where that line house in the movie. I can't help but this have you ever seen i. Just sorry folks. i'm just gonna talk to my friend about movies for a second. have you ever seen faculty. i haven't i heard all about it. Yeah we should a doubleheader faculty. they're both like schoolhouse. you know slashers. who's the slasher thriller kind of over one being cheesy b movie and thrashes. Kind of a thrasher. what am i saying. What's faculty fact Jeez sorry my these reviews. Today are really just gas at my brain. I think faculty sort of you know sort of in the way that Like shana the dead in those movies are oh marshes to like Faculties will be like that. It's not as silly. Obviously but it's a little bit. You know it it. It has reverence for the fun elements. Josh josh with harden. He's maybe speaking of Seeking a heartthrob tasty boys judd. The nineties heartthrobs it. Josh hawley whole yeah. he's handsome. Sob the real question is how many wet bubis scenes are in the fact. How many what. Movies are in the faculty. i think. I might have only seen it on tv. No shit wet. Booby scenes Colon question mark question mark for the web movie scenes and those folks i know are what eighty percent male audience enjoyed address. Yeah and you know some of the ladies. I'm sure to enjoy good web ubi scene and we're not judge it we've spent. How many episodes brad pitt. And now josh hartnett year. Oh he's kinda. He's not as cute as he used to be. Sorry josh here's lucky number seven that will be cool to me. Brown is all right. Before i just looked at bruce willis is smiling. Face number seven posts her audi page and before i got gotta walk away. That's a whole nother rabbit hole folks. I got a review here for something near and dear to my heart. My favorite board game risk. All right deserve you for the risk. Sixty s anniversary edition on amazon. This is a review by written by lady neiman. She titles it. Idk kid wanted it for birthday. Bought for hit no clue how to play it. And i'm too old to figure out new stuff but whatever kid liked it wouldn't normally pay this much for board game but the quality of the game is good so i'm not totally mad. Five stars year all over the map lady lady neiman. It can want him for birthday buffer kid no crew this. Her child areas this. I think this is a like a forty year old man that lives in her basement aching ago. Yeah for her forty year. Old child was in her basement. One play risk with his forty year old bros. old hundred year old lady neiman gave birth sixty. Yeah sure it's not outside the realm of possibility but right right To assess the sidebar. This the this version of risk is beautiful. Is it like a fancy box too fancy box. It comes like a war chest. the is all hand-drawn. The the cards are all. Sil- is sorta like world war. One looking like on parchment. yes. I love risk. You have got risk memories. You risk guy. I'm a decent risk guy Like strong amazing stories of risk. I have some cool strategic. Oh memories. I love go man me and my me and my dad loves stratego stratego. Yes some good times playing the but risk mostly we played it and this good somebody wins. Let's just watch seinfeld episode. That's true you carry this week. I am from ukraine. You will up this. Oh we can't help but to go to our favorite things. We have some star wars. Some salsa now are feeling cozy at home talking making seinfeld quotes yup arm bad like a warm flip bass cone seinfeld. I mean it makes sense that this game cost more if she's paying for the pristine edition and not just go into target and buying a twenty dollars off the show most of the reviews all the positive views are like. I love risk this additions. Beautiful all the negatives are this is way too expensive for a game. This is the reason that sits on your your home library shelf right. Pull it out with the fine cognac. It's honestly only forty bucks. That's not bad. I don't think so for like a. This is a game collector's edition. I feel like and it's a game. You can keep playing again and again and again and again eligib- you wanna you wanna do a quick year. You wanna you wanna get out of here. I'll do a quickie phantom blushing. He i have a review for the book. This is technically a a listener submitted review. I got this for my birthday. Someone gave it to me and and they also said also i got this because of this review and they sent through view so this is an amazon review for the book how to be the greatest improviser on earth and chuckle head. A top one thousand reviewer on amazon. Fungi rates to politically biased. I really love to read. And i mostly read paper books. I truly respect books. I read over one hundred bucks a year about anything. I want understand on more about. I bought this book to introduce myself to being more in the moment. So i set myself outside as it was a beautiful day open. The book in anxiously began to read with the sun on my face but from the start. This book is politically biased and made me feel uneasy. It began with little things like peculiar phrasing of pronouns then went onto belittling christian beliefs. 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Falcons vs. Panthers: Is Atlanta for real?

The Falcoholic

33:13 min | 2 years ago

Falcons vs. Panthers: Is Atlanta for real?

"Guys welcome to the PUCK. Alex Post Game Podcast for the two thousand eighteen season week. Eleven the Atlanta Falcons Skins in Charlotte taken up division rivals the Carolina Panthers Join me always as my co host Phil Writer Colic. Evan Burchfield Evan arguing. I'm doing great how you doing. I'm good It was a great weekend. We're going to jump straight into it because for the second week in the road. The Falcons have dominated a division of obviously last week. They went into New Orleans. They pulled off the major upset for a seven seven one the Orleans team that many people thought was one of the best teams in the C.. Maybe in the NFL. They beat them in their home. And they repeated the performance on Sunday against the Carolina Panthers beating them twenty nine to three in Charlotte in the division game and it has a lot of people people wondering if this now three and seven. The Falcons team can actually finish out the season really strong and maybe even statistically make the playoffs play offs. Oh do I think the odds of that are low. Start Evan with the offense because twenty nine points is a little bit of a Misnomer Snow Mer they actually scored twenty two points offensively. There was a punt return touchdown from Kenya Barner so they they did put on twenty two points on the board not exactly a dominant performance from the offense that I felt like there are a lot of positive things so real quick Matt Brian. twenty-one for thirty three hundred eleven yards passing touchdown he broke a record that we'll talk about later. The running game was little bit underwhelming. Coming Calvin Ridley was arguably the best player of the game on offense eight receptions one hundred forty three yards touchdown. What were your what were some of your takeaways? From the offense. The Falcons offense did against this of a panthers. Defense Yeah I think the big big elephant in the room was not having Austin Hooper how the team would be affected because he's been playing this whole season at basically an elite level among tight ends Every statistic he's basically been in the top three like him and Travis Kelsey so this was going to be a big test coming into this game and the offense seemed you know for the most part fine Calvin Ridley obviously as you mentioned being the big benefactor from hooper being out A reception two hundred forty three yards a touchdown light. That's an incredible day for Calvin Ridley any look good. Julio had you know Typical Julio Day six receptions ninety one yards Russell gauge got a little more action. Looking good at the tight end spot. I mean Jaden Graham in Luke stocker where the ones stepping up luke. Stalker occur. I believe didn't even have a target Jane. Graham only had two catches for twenty three yards. So it's pretty much you know they shied away from the tight end position with superbeing out. I was looking forward to seeing Jason. Gram more in you know. Having a law is longest catch twelve yards. Like he did get us there. It's just a a weren't going through the tight end position as they were in the past So Basically Ryan had to focus on his receivers and he did that in they they offer the most part played. Well the big thing I was looking at going in this game was the running back position because obviously devante Freeman being out for probably multiple weeks. Who knows at this point but Brian Hill looked good in the action. He's received this year so is going to be interested in seeing him. Go up against the panthers who I mean looking at just overall at the year. They've been one of the worst run I think they were twenty ninth ranked against the run. which is terrible? I know you know in terms of fantasy football over the last four weeks they've allowed the most Fantasy points to opposing running back so they've been dreadful full so it seemed like a big Brian Hill game In it really wasn't a he had fifteen carries for thirty yards his longest being eleven yard. So you can pretty any much. Tell how Brian Hillsdale in obviously no touchdowns actually one he did score but it was called back to Italy holding in Quadri not all of a sudden ended up scoring had four carries for eleven yards in pretty decent. NECE I action You know I mean I was expecting becky more from Brian Hill. I think that was the biggest takeaway on like leaving. This game was like Brian Hill. Should have had a much better day on fifteen carries like if before this game you told me he had fifteen carries. I would've said he had maybe seventy yards or more I've mentioned on twitter before the game. You know as a prediction I was like I thought it was pretty much a slam dunk. Almost I was like Oh Brian Hill. He'll probably go for over one hundred. Because the last falcons running back to rush rush for one hundred yards was Brian Hill. Act Carolina I think is like we What fourteen or something? Like that. Of the twenty eighteen season he had like a hundred and fifteen yards But yeah he fell way short of that But aside from that everybody looked fine Ryan I mean he had a nice day Yeah I mean that's pretty much my offensive takeaways. Oh did you see anything else. That I didn't mention felt like to your point coming in the panthers defense was one of the best against the past they were one of the best in getting to the QB you know as far as sacks were concerned. I think they were top of the League. And and one of the worst at stopping the run so it it is somewhat funny. That the Falcons best success was through the passing game and they couldn't get the run going again. I mean you know. Division Games tend to go sideways anyways but this one definitely went off script a the the panthers did not seem seem to be able to get to Ryan consistently. He was pressured. He was sacked one or two times but for the most part for a team that has been leading the league in Saks. The Panthers did not get home to Ryan as much as I thought they would. And you know he had thirty attempts in still managed to put up three hundred yards touchdown down the interceptions so this game again did not go to script. I think that's one of the things to pay attention to is that the Falcons are sort of defying saying what the matchups look like the past couple of weeks last week against the saints Certainly you thought the saints offense could. Score insists Falcons defense and that did not go the script in. We saw that again. This week with Falcons defense holding the panthers to one measly feel they scored in the fourth quarter This falcons offense. At least right now I think is still still has some problems. Matt Ryan had his best game of the year Barnum. I think his accuracy. Accuracy was much much better in this game that has been in recent games he dropped to fantastic bombs into the hands of Julio Jones a In Calvin Ridley in this game with pressure his face. So if that continues the Falcons could be in for a really nice Finish to the season. And as you mentioned Calvin Ridley a thought was absolutely dominant in this game. He was taking advantage of some of the cover. One looks at the panthers. We're using throughout the game. He had eight targets eight receptions so everything that with his way was caught and turned into yardage fantastic from him. I will say I do think Austin Hooper was missed. Even you know we look at the points we see. Twenty nine is mentioned seven from special teams. You see twenty the two points I you know. I don't let it. Hooper was ever going to be a big factor in this game because the panthers do have some good linebackers but I feel like he is missed in. I don't I'm I WANNA make sure that fans don't write off hooper as being not essential to this offense offense after just one game because I don't think that is a fair sample size you know. Yes the Falcons succeeded but it for me. I'd I'd rather rather Matt Ryan have that reliable target in the middle in in between the seams that he's used to as opposed to not having him but overall we're all felt like the offense did what they needed to do in this game again I'll be honest. I'm still not entirely inspired by Dirk cutter or is doing offense. I think dave covered this at the alcohol. Dot Com in his recap is incredibly frustrating. To see the Falcons calkins run on first second down in gained one two yards and set up third and five thousand six long repeatedly. This is you become a trend this season in frankly. It was a trend in the dirt cutter years where we needed Matt Ryan to bail out. Even the two thousand twelve to two thousand fourteen Matt Ryan Bell from Third Long Situation's a little bit more frequently than we would like to see so I want to see this offense play better but clearly they did enough to win this game so any final thoughts no obviously with twenty twenty two points. There were several field goals that you know factored into that. There were two two touchdowns in several field goals. Anything you want to add before we move onto defense. No I mean I think we've pretty much summed it up a young way too. He's looked pretty good You know the one thing as a map Ryan lover and and Fan I've wanted to see him like further than fifty. It seems like he's he's got. I mean he missed one yesterday. which you know wasn't a good look? Look but he's looked at outside of that he's look good within like the forty range. You know which is something you WanNa see but I wanna see when he's back in the fifties range you know 'cause that's arguably where you're winning games at least the close ones But he the Falcons offense has actually been in pretty good over the last two weeks So they've been you know well enough to get him into field goal range where it's like. He's knocking down. I think he had like to to to a thirty eight yard. Field Goal attempts was missed. I think one was like Twenty Twenty Nine Yard Field Goal Twenty three yard field goal. Like those are great. I I WANNA see you know before I'm all aboard the coup train I WanNa see what he can do like in the fifty range. If that makes accents by I mean so far he's I mean he's looked better than the options. We had initially with Blair Walsh in two Vecchio. So Yeah Yeah. And so far in the Games from the by he seven for eight but as as you mentioned nothing above fifty point it remains to be seen what he can do from that distance. And as you mentioned I think it is That yardage the fifty plus yard field goals is really wear kickers. Make their money. Anything below below forty it should be. He's somewhat automatic and yet that's something where We took a lot for granted with Brian. Being the kicker Atlanta so But with that we're you know we will see young way has a i. I doubt we'll see in their kicker changed the season. I think he's GonNa be given until the end of the season. He is younger player. He's someone that I think the Falcons and moved on from just don't see them going back at this point it. It would be ridiculous if they try to anyways tempering Ryan back still unless coup comes out in completely as like taking thirty percent percent. There's no way he I mean at this point they just need to you know. Ride the ship out in you know. Then they can have that discussion in the off season. He hasn't is it done anything. I'll put it this way. He hasn't done anything to sabotage his job. It's just has he done anything to cement it as next next year going forward. Because that's how we all looked at Vecchio. We saw the field goals he was making last year. You know the team did to enough to where they were getting rid of the franchise leading scored to keep him So he's going to over the next few games in. That's not his fault. He hasn't had a fifty plus attempt. It's not like he's missing hasn't been in a position to do that in a game But I think if he does and he makes them on looks good. You know they're going to have a you. Know they might have had a bright spot here and have the kicker for the next few years or whatever so but to be determined now to be determined. Ah so before we jump into how the defense did in this dominant performance. We're GONNA take a quick break. We'll be right back. 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For for the Falcons Victory Twenty nine to three over the Carolina Panthers in week eleven two thousand eighteen season. This is Dave Walker. Joined by Evan Burchfield. Of course my Co Host for these post game. PODCAST you're talking about the Falcons defense because of all of the changes. That have happened since the bye week. I think it is it's completely non debatable. That the biggest surprise has been the turnaround in the Falcons defense. Last week in the Orleans. They held the saints to nine points no touchdowns through four quarters. They had six sacks on drew brees they a followed it up with this performance Carolina which included five sacks of Carl Allen. Four freaking interceptions. Like where is this been. The they allow three point so they have now it since the bye week. They've allowed twelve points in the past two games they have eleven sacks sacks four interceptions this arguably is even better than I think what fans hoped. The defense would be at the beginning of the season. So Evan whether some of your quick takeaways about this defense since the bye week because I feel like this is the big talking point in Atlanta right now. Yeah I I mean first off the sacks are coming out of nowhere We have a pass rush in. It's look it's very good As you mentioned the interceptions like the one one Kyle Allen through in in the end zone to to find like you're taking points off the board in that sort of thing Um which were not used to seeing because you know it just it usually? That's why we ended up losing because our defense just kind of folds in the red zone in that say they've been stepping up to the plate In you have to look like Christian McCaffrey are arguably at the running back position. He's probably the best right now in terms of what he can bring to the table also aside from running the ball you know. He's he's dangerous in the passing game. he he had fourteen so even split. He had fourteen targets in the passing game. He had fourteen carries in the Russian game. He went for seventy yards rushing which which is fine by he had eleven catches for one hundred twenty one yards. He still had a Christian. McCaffrey day if you play fantasy football. You're well aware of that. The big thing though no touchdowns allowed across the board That was something. Because I don't think the saints scored either right. They scored wet nine point. So so yeah They're not allowing allowing anybody to score. That's the biggest thing with this team in. You know you look at it. And it'd it'd be different if they were playing kyle back-back weeks but they play. Drew Brees in Collin Collin for while the panthers fans and I'm sure their attitudes change now they were Kinda like wait a second. We you know we don't eat cam new and we have Alan the future Four interceptions he threw the ball fifty times like this panthers. Thirteen was getting beat in the only put up three points. That's I mean that's amazing. Especially considering the Falcons defense you know we were ready to throw away pretty much the first half of the season. They've really stepped up to the plate. In you know if you listen to last week show. You're probably going to hear me in. Dwi basically saying Oh okay this was you know. We'll see if this was a one hit wonder sort of thing We me and you basically weren't very like Oh yeah. This is the new defense that will it. Definitely CENEX We had our concerns. But I mean like are you still concerned because they've done it backpack weeks in arguably if you look at our schedule going into regular season these two were probably our toughest opponents. It's usually that at Carolina at saints or at New Orleans that's usually losses in. They didn't only be done. They beat their ass. Basically so I mean what do you think do you think this is. We can't ignore the Elephant Room that Dan Quayle apparently like a made some staffing changes and stuff like that in right away. This defense is all of the sudden. Wanted a best out there so do you. I think there's you know like this isn't going forward. This defense has basically changed face in. You know. This is what we've got now. Or what do you think's is going on. I mean you know you mentioned the coaching changes with the Jeff. elbrick calling the defensive plays on first and second down he Morris Who I think arguably is the big name to pay attention to hear where he morris who took over the secondary after the bye in this calling the third down plays for the for the defense has has been looking at the secondary is a night and day difference from the first eight games to these last two games? Let's talk about some of the stats in secondary You've got doesn't true fought with interception Ricardo Allen with interception in three pass breakups Z.. Interception in the past break-up is Oliver no interceptions but the two pass breakups disc defensive secondary is playing at the level. We thought the capable of and they're they did it suddenly now the nowhere. I had mentioned at the bye week when I when I had done with my podcasts analyzing the PF scores for the Falcons defense that the one thing that stood out was that the entire secondary had regressed across the board. Every a single player had gotten worse all at the same time in one season and that is just not statistically likely that pointed to an issue hugh either with the scheme or with the coaches or with both. It is highly unlikely that every single player on your defensive secondary gets worse in same season. Usually that's assign again of coaching or what. You're asking to do what we have seen. The past. Two weeks is a secondary that is playing incredibly a Better than what they were in the first eight games as we mentioned True Font Allan Casey I is a all Kendall Sheffield all these guys are playing eh much better performance level than what they had in the first eight games and then on top of that the eleven sacks holy cow You know we had six against Saint Adrian clayborn had to against the Panthers Vic Beasley has back to back games with a sack. You Watch out healthy making twenty million dollars contract tack. McKinley had another sack in I WANNA point out something about tax even though the numbers don't appear to be there. I would argue that. He has been one of our most disruptive pass rushers over the past couple of weeks he is not you know he. He does have the sack he I think. He has sacked last week but he is generating pressure on a very consistent basis. Now over the past several weeks including going back to into the game against the seahawks before the bye week tack. I think has begun to turn it around around these young player. He's in your three. I'm kind of excited to see what he can do to finish off the season But yeah it just seems like everything they were wrong. They're suddenly getting right. Eleven sacks in two games coming into the the by week they had seven sacks in eight games in the last two games I have an eleven sacks so they literally have four more sacks in six less I mean that is. That's my boy right now. How much of that is Allen versus? You know again you know you mentioned that it's not like last week. They were playing the scrub. They were playing drew brees in his home home and they sacked him six times. They held him Two touchdowns this week they may kyle. Alan look like somebody who needed to be benched. Legitimately four interceptions five sacks he. What the Falcons did this weekend may single handedly make sure that Cam Newton stays and Carolina? Yeah Exterior of all the things that happened that may be one of the big takeaways and as you mentioned I mean. It's such a great point. Both with these winds have been on the road. The Falcons have I think three of their next four games are at home. And those include games against Tampa against the panthers and against the saints in. I think the next one where they go on the road to believe is the forty niners which a tough game obviously one of the best teams in see this year. We won't talk about who the head coach is there. But we're this falcons defense is concerned. I think you asked me. Am I buying in. Yeah Yeah I kind of am. I know which is always being here. Couple weeks ago I think the the a big thing is if it just came out of nowhere it will be one thing but it came after the bye. It came with as you mentioned substantial coaching. Changes with Morris Jeff sort of taking over in a combined defensive coordinator role to me the fact that they've done on the road they've done back to back weeks the fact. They've looked good for four quarters in each game it. It wasn't like they look good for two quarters. They've looked for a straight quarters in both games. That feels like more of a real turnaround than maybe a false false positives so any. I know I realize I've gone off on this defense because it's been really exciting but any last thoughts about what you've seen from from the defense the sax the coverage just the opponents doing on the road and the anything you WANNA add. No I mean you pretty much. Covered summed summed. It up there in you know as I mentioned earlier. They're just not allowing the opponents to score. You're definitely GONNA WIN Games do not allowing touchdowns in this isn't just on the defense. But I noticed over the last two games. They've been having less penalties than their opponents. So they're they're finally playing discipline football all because there was plenty games in the first half of the season where they lost games because they had so many penalties against Carolina only had three penalties which was worth at twenty yards but the panthers had eight which was sixty eight yards and you know shoot? They were basically shooting themselves in the foot multiple times the panther so their point. I mean. It's like you don't want to say here in Brag too much because next week anything can happen but the teams turned it around and you know the proof in put in basically because we talked about this you know even around the bye week. How as the Where Julio apparently had like a big speech in players they wanNA play for Dan? Quinn and Arthur blank was in the room and since that point somebody mentioned on twitter. That tack was in the room and apparently like look someone who was really affected by it. Like okay we need to do something here. and He's played the phenomenal ever. Since like I mean I don't want to you know usually we can't ignore that kind of stuff but this team is turned it around. We knew they were talented. Even while they were losing like games they shouldn't have We knew they were talented. The staffing changes all of that. Something's happened but this this team is is all of a sudden you know even people around the League or like what we're has this team been you know in the fans are definitely asking But you know we'll see going forward but I have to agree with you the defense on buying into it Next week will be an interesting test. will be at home playing the Tampa. Bay buccaneers who Jameis Winston has looked. Pretty good against Falcons in the past But you know so as drew brees. And he didn't score a touchdown against the New Orleans. So it's going to be interesting. You know if the Falcons defense is GonNa step up again Because you mentioned at the top of the show so in maybe you WanNa talk about it a little bit. But we're still not out of the playoff race somehow statistically Leeann you and I talked about this briefly in our writers chat it seems like the Falcons best path to play. Offs is to win the Division in hope that the saints fall apart in their last the six or seven games which seems unlikely because right. Now you know the Falcons best possible who records nine and seven and you've got several teams already. Have Eight wins. Like forty forty nine hundred nine wins. Seattle has eight wins. The Vikings have eight Wayne Wins the packers. Have Eight wins so they would literally need one of you. Know the the SEATTLE MINNESOTA A or the packers to literally. Just lose out for them to get a wild card and the focus would still have to win out so statistically really really really low chances can happen you know their best bet mathematically saints sort of fall apart finish the season and they win out in win and the see south. I mean I think if you were going to bet money won't take any was GONNA put money down to the Falcons win. See South this year but you know you mentioned mentioned it. I think the big thing here is a lot of fans questioning. Hey this is is the talent actually or I. I had a lot of people. Ask Me. Is this actually a talented team. Or we can have to blow up this roster get rid of these players and I think the one thing we've seen over the past couple of games is yeah if they're coached Reid if they're putting in the right position the talent is there you know you don't Hold a saints team in their home tonight points without having talent. You don't hold a panthers team with Christian McCaffrey to three points in their home job so for me. Even if they don't make the playoffs the one of the big takeaways were seeing from this. Last couple of games is that it is somewhat correa formation. That the Falcons do have the talent to be successful. Is it too little too late for two thousand eighteen more than likely but but for twenty twenty. I think does foretell a little bit. That maybe you don't have to blow up the entire roster that there are enough good pieces that you go into twenty twenty you put you know you fix some of the issues on this roster you get some guys healthy again. This could be a very very competitive team again in twenty twenty without now having to revamp from top to bottom the minus the three or four stars. You've got so for me. That's the most reassuring thing I feel like the the talent on. This team has ruined over the past couple of weeks that they deserve a chance to prove that they compete can compete and be good players players at this level so playoffs or no playoffs. The performance of the individual players is what is highly encouraging for me. Yeah certainly so with that. We're going to wrap up this week's post game podcast. Everyone wants you tell our listeners where they can find you what you've got going on you can find me Ryan at Alchoholic on twitter at Burchfield I JUST WANNA shameless plug here. I do have probably by the time. You're listening to this. It's probably probably posted but a playoff chances article Dwi basically summed up a lot of it And I don't want to give too much away because then you won't read it But basically the Falcons have read it yet go Rita. They'll have like they win out you know. There's still a pretty good chance. They could you know they need help as the governor said but go read that Let's see what else I got my tweet recap which is probably out by time. You're reading this author listening to this also And then on Fridays. I do fantasy preview for that week's game which this week it'll be Mentioned league-wide stuff in in Yeah so hopefully by time you hear me in. Dwi Voice again. It's because we beat the buccaneers. where foreign seven or knows? What else is is going to happen after that but Yeah it's good to see a team that finally wants to win games. It seems like yeah absolutely one blessing WANNA add. Because I know a lot of fans are out there frustrated. By the fact that you know arguably the Falcons are blowing their chance quote unquote at Drafting Chase Chase. Young one of the top pass rusher is coming out Arguably in the last five ten years in here's the thing Just enjoy the games you know when you get lost in the minutia of Dra- position in salary cap in it is is hard as passionate fans. We we dive into all that stuff wants to your team succeed but oftentimes I think we overdo it in myself included. Just enjoy joy. The Games yesterday's game was fun. It was fun to watch the Falcons win it was fun to watch the defense dominate. Just enjoy this game. Enjoy the game for whether it is Fans of this team. We are fans of these player. So enjoy it you know. I think we get way too wrapped up in when the minutia of the management of team and Right now you two straight wins. This is making the season fun again so for me it as a fan even though we cover the site fell colic this this has been enjoyable experience as free guys. 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