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Week 2 Review

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22:30 min | 7 months ago

Week 2 Review

"When Sarah Spain Pablo Tori Kevin Black installs great to. See Off. Always. Coming down the one yard line every time I come here you to every time the coast for. Everybody had to be expecting that it was the eighth time they did it last night but for the first time all night seahawks knocking him back Sarahspain I don't need any more around the to you have you come to blast mcdaniels embellish for the play Or is that just the Defense Bobby Wagner L. J. Collier Lane Hill. Getting it done. Well I. I'm glad for our friend meantime that another game of this type wasn't lost for the seahawks on a one yard line play. So you're welcoming for that one. I'm probably Never GonNa make the big bucks in this industry because I tend not to presume that I know more than hall of fame coaches. So No, I'm not going to blame eligible mcdaniels for this call in the nineteen. Times that Cam Newton has rushed from the opponents one yard line. This is the only time he's ever lost yard it doesn't always work, but it usually does and we wanted to make some sort of play like you did before where you draw the defense at and they bite on the camera on and then he thinks over the top to someone wide right we saw earlier maybe they thought they saw earlier they're going to be looking for and if they had run. Gimmicky or anything different. We would have said you have a giant quarterback. What are you doing? Rush them up? To make it, he's going to. But he just didn't work out this time so we can't get Sarah Critique the call here public story. I cannot critique a coach for doing the opposite Tony of what the Coachie beat in the two thousand fourteen super bowl did right. Carol that it's exactly what he did. He was like everyone expects marshawn Lynch everyone expects the Spanish cuisine. We're going to go the other way. No give the Spanish inquisition give them Cam Newton Cam Newton by the way in this game. He made everybody looks so stupid. Tony. What's on the ground? It was everywhere this guy. Is So. So the point is give Bella check credit for sticking with that do that no one wanted to go with in the off season. You know it's funny. I expected the Spanish inquisition from Sarah Spain. From Pablo. So you're absolutely right. Kevin Blackstone an RPO A run pass option the play. Iran. Game earlier which was perfection with the past for the touchdown or are you all right with how the Patriots played this? I'm all right with the play call in terms of not taking the ball out of Cam Newton's hands, right But the only my only question is you've asked so much of this guy, this entire game, you would figure that on one, play the game defining play that maybe the other side, what kind of figure it out, and so why would you bunch everybody up why not spread them out along the goal-line there? Why not give him some more options even? Cam. Newton said after he thought about it of course, is the two thousand and twenty but he said he may have bounce it outside. I just thought it was a little bit conservative given his talent. The guy already accounted for I mean he counted for ninety? Yards on the night. Work got new Bobby Wagner blew up the middle of the play and then Laino Hill who's the backup backup safety every he made an incredible play. Sometimes, they make an incredible player is the first time gave they did. All right. So let's talk about Cam Newton here. Pablo Tori and what you saw from last night and the last two weeks of course, the last night even throwing the ball zip. On his ball and all the other quarterbacks that were signed this off season before him that are making more money than him and Peterman. Is A name that comes to mind right now go ahead, Pablo. The floor is yours. You had to Peterman that Peterman is making more than Cam Newton. Tony when you look at the Anatomy of Cam Newton in this game, the legs were phenomenal but it's the. Arm Keep in mind in Carolina the last time we saw Cam Newton try to throw deep balls he was getting subbed out like a pitcher with a dead arm for a guy named Taylor Heineke that's how bad Cam Newton's arm was but in this game he showed off the fact that he seems to be fully healthy. So that's the Patriots have yes. Once again he wrested the League has been Made Stupid Bill Belichick I want to read the list that Bill Barnwell put together today Peterman Matt Barkley match shop still in the League? Chat. Han Aj mccaren case keenum call mcchord Brett Hundley Blaine Gabbert these guys are making more money than Cam Newton this year they were signed before and were in some cases right around the same time Kevin Blackstone how do you? How do you feel about that today? Well, that kind of angers me with the NFL. They would sign all these guys in pass on a guy who's been in the Super Bowl. Got Mvp's how dangerous he is. You know how good he looked last night four, hundred and forty four of their four hundred and sixty four yards he contributed to, and yet he has to play for a minimum one year contract that doesn't make sense to me and I know he had to. Get healthy. But you know what Marcus Mariota he got he got more money more guaranteed money, and then you just completely banged up back on the injured list yet again. So I don't buy this estimation that the other teams in need of a quarterback used to Passover Guide O. M. New signing happened. Everybody's like Bella checks genius again is it don't check the genius or is that everybody else? Is Operating at the best level Yes Real Quick Sarah Spain I want to ask you who proved more to you. Last night was a Cam Newton or is it Russell Wilson because his name has been mentioned yet and that was an enormous game again for Wilson? Yeah we know that Russell Wilson's great. We know the seahawks are going to contend but leading Russ Cook just means they could be even better a much more surprised by the Patriots because of the giant. If if cameras healthy I understand we're blackstone is coming from Anderson the NFL doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt but I will say the confluence of events that meant that. Teams couldn't look at them with their own physician that meant that they were early on whether he would take a minimum contract like that and they were signing backups that they knew were looking for a certain role. There's a lot that went into it. Again, the Patriots end up looking like the genius and again, I probably shouldn't give the NFL the benefit of the doubt but. It. Just it Sarah. We're GONNA move on now I mean I need to talk about how the cowboys came back and how the Falcons blue this game came down to a lot of things but number one, the onset and I'm GonNa say this right now I think we haven't figured out how to solve the on side kick problem and make the Games at the end fun an uncertain again what happened last night The Falcons didn't touch the ball for ten yards that should be the new rule. No one can touch the ball for ten yards. Nobody can break the plane on the receiving team of ten yards because this I mean that that should be the new rule. It's not the rule though roll tape on this the Falcons and hands team, they couldn't touch this fall. They did not touch this ball shows or instructed or who knows not to touch this ball. And it's just incredible. This is called the watermelon kick because it's not broke. Perfectly. Chokes game ever. That's now on the list people are talking about this loss from forty, nine ten. And the super bowl loss when they were up twenty, eight three and saying, then which should be fired. Sarahspain should he be fired? Well, let's see they had a ninety nine point nine percent chance of winning the game with two fifty two to play and they somehow fluid. They were the first team in the history of the NFL since they started recording turnovers statistics to have thirty nine points and no turnovers and lose the game or hundred forty teams before them. To lose. This onsides kick and I'm thinking to myself man, did they not know the rule that they could touch or maybe they knew the rule that they could touch it but they thought it was too wobbly and that they'd have to risk better to see if it would go the ten yards instead of touching it nights word out, and then I thought who cares why are they gonNA position to lose the game on side kick such a big lead on. So. To answer the question, we're hundred and forty now. Oh Yeah and right? Yes. Yeah. I think that they also showed a lot of promise early in the game and that if they can find a way to take advantage of that without ruining it, then they should leave Clinton Longoria. fireable could be blowing up the season Pablo Tori about you. You've got a fire Dan Quinn. How many other ways can you underscore coaching as a problem? Theoretically, the guy who's telling these players with the rules of football or would be a coach somewhere and Dan Quinn Tony last year a year ago he cleaned house when it came to his assistance he changed over everybody all that is left is Dan Quinn and that dude like the Atlanta F words they could not have been a more fitting metaphor. For. Their. Existence. Helplessly watching a football spin wildly out of control. Until you lose at some point, the coach needs to answer for all of that Kebe where you on this. Well. Something happened here. Right either the players did not know the rule which is a coaching problems either either the players were reminded of the rule. Or either the players suffer from some mental acuity. The rest of us are glad that we don't. So this comes back to a coaching problem. That particular moment now whether or not? He should be fired for this one collapsed. I don't know two games into the season. Let's see how a few more games play out but if you start to have this happen over and over and over again during the season. Two Games into a season, but we're four hundred and forty one games into that stack. Dallas. Had to fake punts that failed they've bist on the two point conversion. They had three turnovers but Prescott was great in the game. They won this game. Pablo, can you learn anything about Dallas and the game like this or is it still just about the Atlanta F words as your goal? It's really hard to feel good about a win like this much as Jerry Jones was celebrating with his end ninety five and luxury box cheering like it's hard to do it because the Defense Tony we know Dak Prescott was going to be good. That's not surprising. The defense struggling mightily as it did on top of the incompetence of this coaching staff in Dallas to those fake punts from their own territory that was a bad look to. Sarah. I think the intestinal fortitude to never feel like you're far behind is something to be commended. Bae could come back and draw upon in later games during the season. This could really them. But yeah, there's a lot of issues with that team to allow them to be in that position and I just WanNa say really quick just to be fair the Falcons may have known the rule but decided that that ball was going to be too hard to get contrived with. Go ten yards and that they were safer doing that I just don't WanNA slander a whole people not knowing the Bulls or the coach I appreciate your pause there and that kicked it something. We've never seen me at five yards. You weren't sure it's going to get there and it was like A. You know jump game to get your view on KC twenty three charges twenty in overtime this. Gas from Justin Gilbert, excuse me Justin Herbert, surprise start, and even more surprising prowess in a plum and how la got some a home was able to almost pull this off and bucker. He had kicked game winner three times. Three fifty, eight, Fifty, eight after a penalty a time out. At me. Linh saying he's sticking with tyrod. Taylor. When he's healthy, that's where I want to start with your Sarah. Herbert. Deserve. To be starting. Yeah, and this is what's so sad about this sort of impact than me who loves to Rod Taylor so sad that this might happen again but maybe Anthony Lynn know something about Herbert and practice and what a game plan would do for an opposite team. We don't talk about that. They weren't expecting. Herbert either so they didn't plan for his strength. So maybe he just wants to give them a little more time before he throws them out there again for good Pablo. Yes this is unfortunately the story of quarterbacking you get hurt your backup comes in is awesome and suddenly everybody's like let's go see what the new awesome kids like that's happened to so many players and tyrod. Taylor unfortunately, just the latest name and when you have a first rounder Tony a first rounder like Justin Herbert, he was going to get time anyway the tech that had happened against Pat Mahomes. It's a no brainer to me. Kevin. Blackstone. Well, there's a little rule and you can throw it out the window about not losing your starting position to injury and also Herbert didn't win the game. I mean, he was fabulous. He didn't see that coming through a dream eleven yards passing had. The Game One if not for the heroics of Mahomes, but he didn't win the game and so I think this is a little bit different situation and he'll get he'll get another shot of but if tyrod is healthy I, think Jesus name the story. So you never lose your job over injury I submit Tom Brady and so as. A hospital and secondly, not just the back of I mean this is the guy you draft in the first round. chargers looked really good getting a home defensively they look really strong in that game and then Herbert was just sweet surprise for them. We're taking a break right here coming up in two minutes we'll check in with Mason plumlee. It's your apartment speaking and I need some favors when you're seeing in the shower, just try going up a key. You're trying to be an alto when really era soprano Oh and if you could bundle your renters car insurance with Geico it's easy to do online and we could save money and then when you read your murder mysteries at night, could you read out loud but? Skip the murder parts because I get scared go for bundling made easy. Go to GEICO DOT COM today. Hey it's your homie. Sorry it's your home. I know you don't like it when I call myself your home. So I have some favors to ask you could you get rid of a few chairs in the living room? My floorboards are tired and other easy thing which save money if you bundled your home and car insurance with Geico one more thing. I. Know You love lavender scented candles but could try to vanilla I think it would fit my better Geico for bundling made easy. Go to GEICO DOT COM today. Watching the Anthony Davis over over and over again. He Yells Colby after it goes in like that and Frank Vogel barely. Purses his lips love that. The plane itself not a lot was going on plumlee points as let's Davis run to the spot and he sees near Lebron I was reading Matt Moore today the Hardwood Paroxysm he heard from the scout say it's more nuanced than plumbly just blowing it but. I'll ask you Pablo Davis. Win this game where the nuggets deepens blow losing eighty there. Yeah I mean plumlee made a mistake but let's not act when you watch that video like there isn't a very large hand belonged to Nikola Yokich in the face of Anthony Davis towards the end. Anthony. Davis is a seven footer who rose up and drained a three with time expiring the degree of difficulty of that shot in general is hard. I give credit to the shooter as opposed to the. Defender. That blackstone stone. All the credit has to go to Anthony Davis Amine to drop that shot in is just described. But when I looked at it, I was thinking to myself in in in real time I was like, wow, Lebron James he's black three guys out of the play and I'm looking at it again, I'm going why is Mason plumlee going under the pick and not over the pig times 'cause I say that so that was a big big mistake Sarah Spain. And it almost wasn't even pick. It was go screen that plumlee was looking for but it wasn't actually there. He just anticipated what he thought. He should do in a situation that wasn't actually happening on I. saw as I watch, it was holed up house Yokich on the INBOUNDER and expected to guard Anthony Davis. What went wrong. So I slowed down and you see it gets stung in there but Anthony Davis congrats on a great shot but that's not good enough. You use the word on you got a little spunky in there is what you said. That'd be a donkey end gunk and hurts it hurts and it's hard to defend who all NBA players at the same time I mean I think we can all agree on that and a two points or three pointer would win the game. So that's the other part of it. Maybe that's why plumlee was more worried about David going to the hoop, we'll move buy or sell to buff thirty one panthers seventeen, Thomas I win and Brady emerge unscathed after the game from an Arians call out actually Arians called Brady outstanding, and I want to look at his stat here twenty, three, thousand, five, hundred, seventeen yards. Touchdown and interception. Pablo fire sell. Outstanding. Unborn to sell outstanding. But I'm going to buy the reason he said outstanding everybody is diving into what seems to be a perhaps not as optimal as they'd like relationship Farve Tony was drinking tea like Wendy Williams talking about how messy that relationship is. Needed to quiet those whispers outside. So that's why you said it. By herself areas calling it outstanding black stuff. You got to sell it. Those are the reasons why is probably said but He was in the second half six of twelve for nineteen yards in a pick. Tom Brady. that. But but not not in the in Sarah. Speak. Neither the game performance from Brady was outstanding nor is the fact that he is as sensitive as he is for arguably the greatest football and most accomplished football player of all time we heard it with Bela Chick. We thought it might be a belichick thing if it's also an Arian thing and that is on Tom, Brady he is plainspoken. He always has been if it's going to be a problem. Well Brady, you didn't say anything last week after that public call out there wasn't really a cold apple was a call out right but you're reading into this got that. You know he got real snippy with someone and he said, what's your question? Okay and was really tally salty about what areas that said. So you think Aryan saying outstanding this week was a way to pump up guy this because he realized he pushed before last week Okay Olive Branch. By herself three. piped-in booze is what it was that we heard during the telecast of Rans Eagles. Rams thirty seven Eagles nineteen right there. Don't panic. We'll be okay. Carson. Wentz said after the game he said some form of we nine times in eight cents span post game but those types of movies were only on TV you know they weren't in the stadium so he didn't hear that how much release problems are we and how much are words Sarah Yeah. You said we because that defense is ugly. Look. Good. But the defense is bad right now and it is a we problem. You think it's a weight problem Pablo. It's bigger than once I mean it's problematic Wednesday. Unfortunately isn't good enough to carry offense by himself I. I wish I hadn't said that but the. Problem Tony is that winced isn't have the help he needs more help. He needs more than unfortunately okay and Kevin Black Asto. You believe whence is free of some blame here like seems Sarah and Pablo release giving a little bit absolutely not last week. He had an excuse because the rush in his face, the entire game this week they they sewed that up he didn't have any pressure on him and he's still through picks including in the double coverage in the end zone. So winter. Cleanup. Goes anywhere. We're now calling this the uncle Phil Right I mean, what do you mean? We really what you mean we? Kevin Blackstone, nearly enough there to pass Pablo Tori got that deduction for bad word Pablo back in studio next week the the deductions were banned words are coming back strong but like this right now, Tori speed showed up next. Sarah Spain. Pablo good luck in showdown NFL injuries piling up for two weeks. Christian McCaffrey emery today on his ankle. He's out four six SAQUON Barkley acl how the year drew lock AC joint six weeks. Courtney. Sutton ACL out for the year Bruce Urban for Seattle last half the niners team Nick Bosa, Jimmy Garoppolo most is out for the year. Who knows how long it's going to be super bowl hangover or not? Are you readjusting expectations for San? Francisco now Sarahspain. Gas Soft schedule coming up so they might be able to grab a couple wins even with guys out. But long term I still think it's not the contending I thought, they would get the NFC Tony is so good. The cardinals, rams, seahawks, all of the niners before the injury. The only reason they got to win is because they played the jets only. About any of this, well, they start that game with an eighty yard touchdown run. It's hard to get a win. An eighty touchdown runs is the first. And still have terrible terrible luck in the day. We'll split the point will move on speaking of Arizona and division and speaking of. I believe these are to fantasy quarterback. Let's go below average two and L.. Allen or Kyla Murray who's been more impressive Pablo Gory. Collar Murray Great Asian American cuyler Murray the guy has been incredible. You. Know we played in week one Tony Pats, the jets. Play. Okay Yeah Josh Allen. I'm higher on him then maybe anybody but I expected him to be good at he's played the jets Jetson the dolphins we saw Kyle Murray do big things against team in the nine one when they were healthy he's impressed me more. Calories Pablo's fantasy quarterback and you have. An. Sarah has she took Kyla Berry and his answer all this is all man your fantasy team is in disarray. Fantasy tone of. Thirty seconds. So back in real life the winner of the US. Open turned out to be one Bryson Shambo and my dad wants me to praise all of his golf innovations the angle of the swing physics all of these metrics he's using it's all impressive but the biggest innovation yeah it's because he works out congratulations golf all of your wisdom accumulated it resulting in maybe realizing we should probably exercise more this guy seems to have done it and it seems to have worked. Yeah. Let's work out. Put on fifty pounds just working seventeen protein shakes day. All right. Thirty seconds probably visit and now. Kobe.

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Conference Finals Breakdown (Game 5)

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42:24 min | 7 months ago

Conference Finals Breakdown (Game 5)

"Welcome to another edition moves cast. I'm your host Mark Schindler joined by my co host Nate Georgie Nate how we doing a man. I'm doing great man all I wanNA say is Denver is down three games to one So La Modiselle, wrap it up and go home. Put a bow on it man so it's done. It's finished Denver Seven. No in all seriousness though like I don. I mean. Do you actually think there's any merit to because I am trying to see something. I. Don't I don't think in any way shape or form that Denver's out. Just. because. I've counter them out twice I've been wrong both times but I do struggle the say that Lebron is not just gonNA come out. With like a man on fire game five at see if this was against down three one against like any team, even any team in the past. Whatever years I would say it's not over, but it's Lebron one game away from the finals in a season where he really has a. He doesn't have the phrase. Golden. State in the finals he's not letting slip up maybe they lose a game, but it's not gone further than six. I won't say that the series is over, but I do think it's is going to be by far the toughest for for Denver but nate, you have a new way that we want to kind of break things down today. Get US argument. Yeah. Just someone recap games you know just a little easier keep things flowing. In like more organized by talking about both sides of the court so I guess we can start off with talking about when the Lakers are on offense in Denver's on defense I think the biggest takeaway I guess this counts for both sides of the court but I mean we can start with the decision to start Dwight Howard which should have happened probably the game before I think he would scream I think he's doing a great goodish job on Yoga Yoga's had a pretty quiet game, a law that was due to foul trouble, but I definitely think. He'd even play down the stretch which bats surprise they had. Marcus Morris. So he fouled out and then they finally or I guess eightieth center but I thought it was gonNA play down the stretch and he didn't but he still looks great and I think he played twenty minutes he was applauded in the game. So I think that was a good decision. Yeah Definitely I. I one theory that I did hear that actually kind of made sense for keeping the white off the bench is you have avail- and obviously jail has not been gray against Yokich not getting completely mercy either on any still he's arguably even longer than white got incredibly long wingspan So you look at it in terms of obviously, Davila, normally comes out in the first like three or four minutes, and then dwight comes in and he kind of applies the extra pressure in body-blows in brings even more energy. So it's kind of like to two man game against Yokich. So I, think I kinda see that understand that. But at the same time like I know we're looking more to set the the Lakers offensive side of the court looking at that I mean, do I had six offensive rebounds estimate, which was I I mean you can point the. Multiple things as as the game. But I mean I think every single one of those resulted in put back except for maybe once a right there if you take away half lows, it's tied game and you can't break it down easily there's a lot more nuance to it but at the same time I mean he was just you gave Yokich ton of problems on the glass early yoked only finished with seven boards and again part of that student foul trouble but he played thirty five minutes visual seven boards. I mean he just he totally eviscerated their backline. Yeah he when he's in position below the RIM their denver has nobody like within six inches, six inches of him jumping up there aboard. He just he's just athletic for Denver's Front Court to be honest when down there Do WanNa talk a little bit and how he started off the game I don't know if you caught the beginning of the game. You know I got the whole game. Oh Yeah. When he started like five straight posts ops like on the elbow where he faced up or just blew right by MILLSAP got him in foul trouble early even though he does solid job of guarding ad did get destroyed right there. Actually do have a court thing on that that I noticed I. Don't know if you saw the staff floating around the. Eighties like five fifteen against Nelson or something like that. MILLSAP is like really good on on in post but I think part of that is because age is not a great Oastler Lake. He's good. But like we've talked up for, he's not a great post player. But when he gets millsaps faced up from sixteen feet out, it's over latest he's getting stuff on the on the birds it's done against anyone I mean he's done it on Yoga. She's done it on plumbly He's done it on on on millsaps, but I will say though if I mean if you can get millsaps on him in the post, I'm pretty comfortable with that matchup for for Denver. while. It's weird because it took for some reason, it took a d like five shaped buckets for them to decide Oh. We're GONNA shading his way and showing help on him when they knew damn well that they were going to have to eventually I don't know why they didn't just just start that way I'm you've got them a got them down early I think I think they were down like ten halfway through I and it was basically because they like I like twelve points for La and they just I dunno idol don't understand -sition ought do that right away I. Guess They Thought Hey, maybe we'll upton slowing down but I don't know. Yeah I don't know it was kind of Weird I. Think it's it's. It's interesting because you think, okay we'll may be part of the game somebody I. talked about with With Ryan. Blackburn Last week is you know maybe you try and force. Anthony Davis be the one to beat you because you know he's GonNa. Take some tougher shots. Less, stuff like right at the rams normally doing a lot of inbetween game. So if you can force him to to be posted up a lot in trying to do his damage from there may be you can just kind of mitigate some of the other stuff that the role players do in keep the ball Lebron's hands. But that was that was not the case yesterday I think he went he hit his first seven shots and they missed like three after that finish with like over thirty points. So it's a kind of non void. Yeah the the one lasting speaking on Denver's defense. Michael Puerto Junior L. he he played a solid game. I mean, he shows effort defensively and offensively using game. There were like three possessions in a row where he just had no idea what they want us to do. He tried to switch on Lebron top of the key pick in like the other guy didn't sledge. So mpg just kind of ran around his head was cut off. It was I don't know he looks he just looks law sometimes any six ten in show some effort. So maybe we'll get some hope there but he has no feel for it on that on. Yeah. No I totally agree. I think there were a couple times like you're mentioning they started ice wing A. Lebron on Mike reporter junior owning was out there in there were multiple times where I think I agree there was the one time when he he could be the switch didn't happen but there are other times where I think he could have rejected. The SCR rejected the screen I tried to reject the the. Jesus cannot think this more. You know what I'm trying to say there were a couple of times where they could have a they could have tried to trap or they could have actually called for the switch. Yeah. But it was it was weird I did you hear Michael? Not My work Michael Malone's comments after the game. About sadly officiating no Oh. Wow. Okay. So you didn't see this one I think it was huge McBride who he runs a podcast or blue iron on the nuggets and he he covers them he put out that Mike Malone said. Let me pull the direct quote, but it was something along the lines of if you can't play defense than you're not gonna be out there and I it it kind of felt like it was directly at Michael Porter Jr. a little bit because like I don't know who else he's talking to you like is he talking to I? Mean Mason Plumlee wasn't great last night was awful. Never, really I could live with never having a co plum why having the play basketball again. It's not a particularly aesthetic game. Yeah. This is what he's direct quote. If you can't help us on the defensive end, maybe you should be on the floor. Wow It's gotta be about him because Monti Moore's played on the stretch. So can't be about him. It's gotta be about MPG. Yeah. That's kind of what I thought or maybe Tori. Greg because he was so bad boy. But at the same time, like why are we putting towards Craig on the Braun like? So well known that Tori Craig cannot fucking defend guys who are his size or bigger lega he's funding is if he if he can't hang with? Lebron. He of goes number role in the series. Yeah. But I guess that's the thinking. The Lakers shot in the inside the arc inside the arc inside the restricted area on Denver yesterday. perfect seventy, eight percent. I. Saw on Tape Twenty. Like allies. That is nuts. Okay. So you brought up plumbing I kinda WanNa talk a little bit about how I guess sex SEGUES US in the Denver on offense in the Lakers on D. La Every time Murray I. Mean you talked about before we got married Jemima? He didn't even in some to three and I was just because every time you the highest screen major strap them in double them. No tempted three threes. But he missed all easily as he was getting kind of run off the line yesterday. Well, yeah. He couldn't come off that pick and launch and but a lot of it they plumlee had to play a bunch of minutes, 'cause MILLSAP, and. Yokich were valuable I think pullman played plumbing play thirteen minutes, and they just helped off of him like you know what? Plumlee, a not GonNa you know obviously shoot the ball and he's super. He's decent on the short roll but he's still a little hesitant and he's not a great finisher. There were like three times where you got the ball like pulled out a Gerbil could assist the rim and he passed it out I don't know you super hesitant right now but. We Helix tries to he does too much. I think he liked doesn't he plays way outside of his his ability sometimes not trying to discredit him. But like I think he tries to do things with the ball. He has no place doing his role which sounds incredibly harsh but it's honestly to resolve stick with it. Yeah. They Scott He was on seven and Tori Craig was. Minus seventy. But he. Like if you can get Tori Craig actually hit a three. I mean like, yeah. But still just not good. Yeah they were just in foul. So many players seem just racking up thousand Mike Talks about after game how? He said Denver jeans more. I forget the quote, but he said they need more calls they need more free throws or something. He he actually said that he was going to go through the proper channels like the. Lakers. Did it so that more alcohols which we'll talk about that yet. But that was that was funny One thing that I think has been absolutely killer for Denver has been Gary Harris and unfortunately I, mean Gary was great against the Clippers you shot I think above forty percent from three I'm pretty high volume in he's probably their best perimeter defender. he is really struggled in this series to hit shots, and while he has been a good defensive player I think they almost are better when he's not on the court I think that they just need more guys can actually hit shots outside of Yokich Murray and grant. Jeremy Grant has actually kind of morphed into the third guy like is all your over the last? He's been an insanely good. He took he he dribbled out I noticed. Her three decided not to take it because Lebron come upon him and then he he dribbled into a tighter contested to I'm like, oh no, and it went in I was like Oh. Wow. Okay. Well. The legs. Exactly, I was like Jeremy Grant, dribbling and hitting shots from between the the arc in the restricted area is just. Twenty twenty remains undefeated I remember when Jeremy Grant couldn't do either of those things when you first got drafted. So it's kind of nuts to see now But you know another another quick thing Monty Morris was good I really liked what he does, but I think he's difficult defensively as well. Do you think that we're going to get any PJ dosier minutes after how well he played in game two but this time throws obviously I think I don't know if you trust them in the stage I mean I. Get it but at the same time like what do you have the lose by playing PJ dosier you're down three one. Yeah. Yeah. At this point, it's Kinda just you know pull out any I almost think I don't want to say it's inexcusable but I think in some way like how do you not play pg dosier after what he did in the last game? He. Played four seconds. All right. Yeah. He played five seconds. NBA Sas dot, com so. but actually one thing I wanna hit on his well the one lineup that I, really am curious to see more and I I. I can't believe I'm saying I. Hope we see more of it because it involves a plum lie there was I think it was Yokich Grant PJ MPG was actually the to. With Jamal Murray and Mason plumlee. So they did that a lot to kind of combat kind of length and athleticism that that the Lakers had and you kind of can mitigate a little bit of how not great mpg as on the perimeter because you can just kind of use length as a tool instead of having him get just totally fucked up by Lebron James. So like I think. I liked that I'm looking for the minutes right now on in the lineups but I do believe they were positive and they were part of the reasoning will stay in the game and claw back a little bit later on But I do wonder if we'll see more that I did you see that do? At least. I remember that it was the third quarter I believe I think like mid to late third. Yeah and I remember will they were tinkering with stuff like that during the? When they were doing the restart ballgames in. Yoga point. Part of that is because they had like, you know they had seven guys on their fucking Rosser when they got to the bubble the but I mean. If you're in that scenario facing the front line of that size. Wise. He's Malone's clearly shown that he's willing to try anything right now. And that PJ you're. I guess. So Hey, we might see. Bobo next game you never WANNA. Think. Will play Michael Porter. Jr. More than has been played so far now no not at all. Telling minutes, you wouldn't take any of Tory. Craig's nineteen and a half minutes and giving them the Michael Porter all let me see. All okay well I'm in the I'm in the camp of I'm one of the guys who belise these NBA players can play forty minutes a night easy in the playoffs I think be stars can be point forty, four minutes. So Jamal Mary Yogurt here folks nate typical basically. Only, ice in my dreams from listening these guys are ridiculous shape and there's so many time outs. There's so many whistles half the time, the geog up and down the court like in the standing there on their guy in the corner, like these guys can do it. It is but I think Mari Yokich should be playing like forty five minutes here in this game game five coupled up on. Grant as well. Appoint Forty plus Gary Harris who still can't hit threes Yeah I just at this point, I don't see. They don't need much from reserves. Chester Gaza got you there he's just he's he tricky guy to play Mike reporter because against the seem like they just got to hunt them out and they know his weaknesses and they involve him in so many off all actions where he just doesn't know what to do. So I on him in the pick and roll Jesus, yeah, it's like throwing somebody into the middle of a hurricane. Yeah I wouldn't blame. High on him too I. Remember we did the prospect rankings in a believe. We were both really high on them just for. Or the bubble even and he's Like it's it's kind of crazy but. The Alas we'll see I'm I'm hopeful for the next game though. Yeah do you WanNa talk about the? AD, injury. Yeah he said this morning that he is feeling fine and he has two days off to recover our last night. You said that I saw this morning. He said that he's fine. He's not worried about it. I don't know I I mean that looks like A. He broke it I. Remember you text me right away. I was like, aw shit broke it. Down in. Spain, but it looked like it at the like you know right off the objects, you'd hear him kind of screen in. Frightening. Man. Luckily. It was like the front of his foot and ankle. Yom. Because when they were shown replay of Scotus in know probably turned it really bad like Gordon. Hayward did. But when she saw, you see it was like the front last part of his left foot Soyuz foot sprain and I mean he obviously kept clean through it so. He should be fine but was on my talk about how it shouldn't have been a foul on MILLSAP. Oh. Did they call foul on that? They called the foul Millsap for that? Yeah. Well, they didn't call the flagrant I don't believe, but still I don't like how fallible now yet he landed he didn't land on him. I. I was not fan he got fouled on a few jump shots got fouled on that. He from three step back three or young leaders can fly in hit him I guess said Lahser beaters in their head and they just won't block everything. YOU WANNA to talk about I want to talk a little bit Murray inches. Yes. Quakes how impressive he even in a game where he is like the La Strap the melodies WM he can't even get three point shots off a he just continues to impress press passing the ball finishing down low I mean we talked about before we get on that lay up he had which was just up one of the better than his three sixty layup I think from earlier in the postseason. Yeah, it's. So it's really funny because we're working on I don't know if we're allowed to break this but. We're we're working on a pre moves like top one, hundred players list to to have out when the seasons in I already started working online. I have no idea word puts mammary like he is we talked about this with a couple people and you know we talked about as well before we got on US totally changed up you know what I thought of him in in where I thought. It was not like I thought he was bad coming in I. I mean I still fighting with a really nice player with a lot of ability in. But I mean the consistency is there now and last night I mean I think the biggest thing is just he's really seeking out contact more the layups he's pulled off have been just frankly ridiculous like that. He went up for that. It looks like it used. GonNa Tryin, throwdown a Tomahawk over Lebron O'Brien had a perfect contest up. So you think okay. So it's over right and nope Jamal Murray double clutches it comes up and under and lays it in and it was just one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen like I like Rachel was. Sitting, in my island eating Taco bell after she got off work last night and. I like jumped off my husband's Oh my gosh like what I'm like did you see them? She's like I'm eating but no to me it was it was incredible man that was the whilst credible lamps I think I've ever seen I agree and he had that one likes the spinning layup like the MJ layup earlier in the game to like yeah, it's just US pulling stuff like this regularly and I think his you just have so much more control over the ball. It feels like like he's always been a good ball handler but now I mean the way that some of the cuts that he makes on on the interior when he has all. The lanes. All well yeah. He is just so confident right now and he knows he's like he is the best offense of out there at no he's out there and I mean, it's safe to say. Denver has to superstar Allen Okay I'm not GonNa go that far I. Don't think we can like necessarily call him a superstar I think there's like five superstars in the OCCA- I. Well, it depends what you classify superstar. Yeah. Okay so superstars like Yokich colleague Lebron Jaanus in. Okay. Okay. That's fine. Playing got. He's he's all He's all NBA level he's playing third. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, definitely like as if he plays like this. You can scrap one of the guards and third team all MBA put him in there. Yeah I. was kind of the way he's played out just reminds me a lot of when dame ability gets ought He's incredible range in how defenses after play Ed, we saw L. A. Play Daimyo. The same way where they trapped him every time he received a screen at the top but. Yet he's I haven't ranked him yet, but I have a feeling. Probably going to be too high in there might be some recency virus in there. Yeah. It's hard not to not to take into that that into account. You know like I don't know it's funny like Like right now, it's I would take Jamaal Murray overly exactly. The like I would say that he's better. Oh. Yeah. That's all by bias but. I think another thing that's six I dunno you've noticed with it but I think Jamal defense has been really good. He's not I. Don't think he's going to be a world beater on that end ever but I mean, he's been a positive quite a few times throughout the series is not really getting killed at all I. Mean he's He's played tight defense on the Brian. He's been good closing out on on shooters and he's been good in help as well. I've been really high on that. I think he put on some muscle. Coming into the bubble and I feel like definitely helped him out in in his point of attack defense. He's definitely showing a much better effort on that end He definitely doesn't have the most difficult matchup per se series Unless he gets switched the Lebron a dam, he's Jeremy Gran definitely has the most. Matchup out of anybody in the playoffs man if he's not playing on the Brian, he's playing on ad. So it's just an he shuttling lebrons minutes still which resulted in him playing forty two and a half minutes yesterday. So. Yeah Yikes. Yeah. He's he's played little horrible. He has incredible I'm good. Anything in this series talk about. I mean Nicole Yokich had his worst game in the playoffs yesterday probably in that was yeah. Kind of what did it in for Denver's chances last night on I kept waiting for Yokich to maybe turn on late and he did a couple of times He played better down the stretch, but he really struggled in the first half and again part of that's. Getting in foul trouble a little bit. But at the same time, I don't know I think I think you I did a great job. Yeah. I think that was part of the the thing that that he struggled with with white getting him into foul trouble early in being on the glass. So handily that definitely was was difficult for him and I wonder how much that plays into next the next game in the series moving forward. Yeah. He He just wasn't really a healy. He played thirty five minutes. He had those five thousand just wasn't as aggressive as we've seen him the last couple of games Especially last game he just as soon as the tip off started he soon. All right. I'm going to be more aggressive here Yeah he had a few posts moves onto white where saw where dwight just kind of put his hands up 'cause you don't WanNa jump on him and he just finished right over him. 'cause you know Yokich does never never misses will. Flick shots over his left shoulder Yeah I expected to be much more aggressive out of the gate. At least next game we'll see where that goes from there but. First. Of all our our are you feeling about them being down through I'm not asking the Senate in an Asinine way. I'm serious. What are you? What are your thoughts on Boston series that could easily? It could be it could be two it could be three, one Boston it could be three Oh heat it could be four. You know every game has been close I mean, game three the Celtics kind of wound pretty handily. So I wouldn't say that but I mean the series it's just coming on a crunch time medicine. Miami's spend the better. Team so far yeah I think. Not to go too far forward but I think you know Scott obviously wrote a piece about how Obama's just killing the Celtics on both ends does this at all changed for your thoughts on what they need to do with front court moving forward because I think for me, it definitely has. Will both? Doing at least on the About. Him I mean I on defense that I met you know the heat on offense he's been a real reason for why they're getting killed. Yeah. Most of it is just I mean we talked about or Minsk our Jubal handoffs in. Use me he just. Set in grade screens again, issued your setup and he's faking a of details to get right to the rim I don't think most of his buckets are coming from off ball in law. which I don't think anything on the front court, it's kind of the weeks. tation has been a little slow. where the lobbyist always Aaron's just great calling by Miami Isolating A one-sided court run the pick roll. It's nearly impossible rotate on a perfectly thrown law like that. it on the glass I mean, yeah he's been great on the glass second chance points which, yeah, sure. Ties is probably a little too small for him but I wouldn't say I mean you just gotTa get a body on him but. I mean, yeah. That's probably our biggest need going forward. It's still a front porch piece Bama's kind of showing like, okay. When you face a senator who's as athletic him, he is going to kill you and he has killed us. Yeah Yeah I agree he's I. Think it looking back at the last series I think you see the difference in two teams in their vertical spacing like Bam vertically is just on another level like what he can pull down from there and and just kind of caused offense is huge and you see the same thing with White Anthony Davis more. So Anthony but. If you don't have anybody who can guard that in it's hard to guard that obviously But yeah, I, think that's been a huge issue for for Boston And I do think too. I wonder I mean it's not like Tyson has been terrible I. Think he's at a decent series but you do wonder what would happen if if Boston had maybe a slightly stronger a starter in the lineup in who was able to contend with a little bit and Change some things but also I think Boston's. Down the stretch is really been kind of disappointing to me. It's been terrible. Yeah they. I it's I. Mean it's the zones just kill them You know they'll solve zone liking game three, they solve the zone parts of league game one and two. They would have stretches with a look solid against his own stretchers where they look terrible in this game, they had like one stretch where they were killing zone. An just looked terrible against it most of the rest of the time that may meet busted out but. Yeah I mean, it's it's kind of just it's weird because. They have the matchup advantages in like they know what they have to do against zone. But for some reason, they just can't execute it all the time in a lot of that credit is to Miami I. Mean They have super you know long lengthy you know high energy motor defenders out there You know they put their most athletic guys at the top of the zone Butler dare Joe. crowder usually up there. So I mean that disrupts in the new Bam waiting on the back end so Yeah, the crunch time offense has been it's been lackluster least. Yeah. Most definitely I. I don't know I mean chemists looked better the last the. Last couple of games I'm hoping he looks better tonight to and really comes on but I think he's been part of the what I point to, and also it just feels like there's not a lot of ball movement at there's been a lot of not not isolation or anything but I feel like there hasn't been a lot of set plays just a lot of kind of swinging the ball in trying to find open stuff and it's not really working super well. Yeah I mean against zone as counter. Your best bet is just put put a guy at the free throw line, but a guy in the corner, you ball handler Guy Roman baseline just kind of picking the ball around between the free throw line, the shooter's in the outside in baseline, the deep gas steps up so hard but. The cotton, not always a guide through the lines. We have three guys out in the wing and they swing a between them, and then that's it and it's in on one of them eventually attacks but I do that before we talk about childcare s ask one more thing. Yeah. I mean, how are you feeling about some of these Marcus Smart? Early. Early shot clock threes like I know again, this is not me trying to like the pound, the pound, the rocks I always do but like, it's just I don't know I think when you come down your offense offenses even set it. All I understand take some rhythm shots foot I mean he'll just take some shots. It just seemed totally unbased in can like if you if you just force a turnover on the under, you finally get a stop after struggling then you just come down and you throw up a three within four or five seconds. Of forcing the Stop I, mean that can kill your mementos one last game in the fourth to where we were making solid on at at the defence is looking better I. Take them hit a couple threes back to back and Marcus smart was like twenty, six shock of cold like a twenty, seven foot three in just clanked it I mean I don't. It is what it is i. mean that's kind of what Marcus smart is your yeah. He live with me with input I. Don't I mean I definitely don't think he's the reason we're losing the suit. Oh. Yeah. I don't mean pain like that at all I just mean it's something that you notice on offense when I'm usually shooting thirty one percent from three of the series. But then again, Jason Tatum only shooting thirty one percent from three to. It's just something that that come back on but. I mean yeah. We have to talk about title hero after the last. Game? It's a there have been a lot of hot takes that I'm not comfortable with in terms of his tyler hero but. Overall I thought he just played incredible game and and he's been really damn good in the playoffs but offensively I mean, he looked like Rick and Ray Allen, out there was some the shots who's sitting. He reminded me he played he. The comparison made a lot both went to Kentucky but he does remind me a lot of Devon Booker in the way he. Yeah Not really a point guard, but he can't handle an offense. He did. He was you know the point of Attack Ball Handler last last game. And when he's out there when he's got it going cottage don't have. You don't have anywhere to hide Kemba that was the issue they had tyler Irwin instead of Jae crowder and they couldn't really hide combat anyway. They tried putting him on hero and he was just getting cooked I. Don't expect Kennedy Beyond Him. Anymore. Weird saying that happened in the fourth quarter with like eight minutes left I want to say they were giving I guess they were just giving Kimbler Breeder They had their best five lied about it with Kemba, and then they sell them off. Thais. So the Lineup Smart Brown tatum Hayward Thais and I mean this I. Like this of us are five best defenders and I was kind of five with not being out there to be honest. Just 'cause we were Miami's getting whatever they wanted in that fourth quarter but. Yeah, he's if tyler has got going it's I. Mean it's a the butler Bam in obviously all their other role players in you mix in another great ball handler creator insider hero there nearly impossible. Yeah, it's wild to because I mean Jimmy Butler has neither had that great of a series offensively. I mean that's largely you can look at the box score and it's fine or whatever. But I mean just compared like he's not hitting the same type of shots that he was taking. That were just total daggers against Milwaukee in the last round I this heat team is just it's it's a conundrum for remand like they're so weird but it works like their offense is like. What they do and I don't know man. It's crazy to look this roster and say that they could be going to the NBA finals I'd again, I don't WanNa get too far ahead of myself, but that's it's just weird and I mean Goran Dragic you've been their best offensive player. In the in the playoffs now? He's put twenty, two, four four right now on the series. Any shooting incredibly well I mean I was killer he's obviously shooting while from three in. Getting to the rim, but like the pull ups from to and the floaters and stuff that he's taking. In making have just been ridiculous that was a huge issue for the Pacers and the box now for the Celtics that is in between games just been lights out. He it shows the respect that maybe half at this point where Marcus smart has been guarding him. He's been getting the mattress, start the game with judge again and down the stretch. So I mean that kind of goes to show how Great Tyler bureau Goran Dragic has been anything else on the series. I mean we got game five tonight or is a four no game five. Eight thirty tip off I. I don't WanNa say the series over, but I feels like it. Feels like it I just don't see I mean it's been four games in Boston still can't get zone if they haven't been able cigarette I, just don't think gonNA elite to beat them three shirts islands I'm not. I don't know it's A. TATUM's gotta get going early though he knew he said it. Because he had zero in the first half and. Scored Twenty eight in the second serenely shit. dicusss yet, he's going to have to be aggressive that he's always like that and it became to the super. You know he kind of sits back. It's like a catch and shoot guy let's let's Kemba. Let's Brown. Let's try to get going I do WANNA see Hayward back in the lineup tonight Oh really who? I just need the board That's smart. I think really I think the I don't know because then how do you who's defending Goran dragic you're right. Maybe start with the the the best five and start with you know tatum brown at senator switch everything Bam by post up, they won't run. Out of. needs to be in there. I think we need that boost on creation in passing. Especially against a zone because hayward obviously knows how to beat it but yeah. They. Too. Funny things number one is you see you see Jay Kings interview yesterday with the new. I heard about what happened I didn't watch by her. Off The Senate to you but I was priceless in the second thing on you think we're GonNa see Grant Williams at all night because I would like to see grant Williams only played one minute last game I think the concern with him. Is He's just he's too small especially against Bam. Bam will play through U. N. I. Think those a lot of times. I remember when I wrote that peaceful. Bam. I saw a bunch of clips against Boston, where he torched grant. He would face them up and he's just too quick for him in pick and rolls. He just gets way too high up in the air and lobs compared to grant yet on granted just to vertically challenged their imagine how good this is not the this merch gramling. She's still going to be a really good player and he is if you was like six foot seven or six foot eight, just think about how different the series would be or the the Celtics would be mad I mean he'd be in the starting line-up. Plus like I believe like fifteen three year this postseason which is really yeah. So he started his career over twenty three. Yes I do them worse than Benson and then he shot twenty like twenty five for his next forty and then he shot like five for next forty after that and the now he's like ten fifty in the postseason. so He's been a super just shots kind of ugly man. He's got like one of those really weird like herky-jerky ones that he moves really forward on when he takes it the ads, it's not smooth. And then also I mean do one last thing Jalen Brown totally took Duncan rob inside of the game I've really liked that move for Brad Stevens Support Jalen undock Robinson I. Think. He's won three in the last game. Yeah he's stopped for the most part except for one game, he's basically neutralized Yeah, and it has been a lot of jaylen brown Jim Rogers so athletic and quick where he's sprinting around these screens and he so long that if he gets close of really good contest there I i. Yeah I think that was a great idea. I would've. I think to start to see as I was saying put Kemba on him input Jalen Brown in Butler but they've been put tatum on Butler which I guess is fine because Butler hasn't been on all player this series apparently because dragic hero her heroes. I liked to scrub that I. Think I'm GonNa, leave it just a shame you. Yeah I don't think we're GONNA see many changes. So tonight from Fred I just don't know what he can change other than starting hayward or I don't think there's any matchup seeking change I think the match define for the most part I just they just got to be better. They just have to beat the zone. You know they gotta be this high school rebel defense. Sound. Terrible. That's what nate McMillan used to say after every lawsuits have to be better the execute. So you're that's all it is that you're in great territory man no no, that's funny though I mean I think i. have. there. been any celtics fans calling Brad Stevens said Oh. Dude. Celtics twitter. You see it's it's like half the people love Brad half the people think he needs to go I just don't understand how you can like at all. Think this is like on the fault of him I think it's just the roster doesn't have any depth really, and it's just a real hodgepodge of guys past guy number like five and a half. It's hard to really make any adjustments with with the rest of your bench and you have to go with what you've got and I think he's made a lot of adjustments. But there's a couple of knocks on Brad A. He's Rotation is a little questionable at times in the guys. He decided to play a little question votes arms in. Be You know we? We saw with the career having years where you know maybe Brad is just kind of like a floor raising coach where you know he's GonNa get guys play hard. He's going to get a good defense because he's GonNa. Get guys you know by in but you know he can't really manage egos and he is not like a championship coach. You know he can get you into the playoffs and stuff like that. But that's it. I don't know if I agree with that I definitely don't agree with that I. Think last year was just a cluster fuck man. Marcus Morris and Kyrie Irving in the interior here. Too I. Mean those. who had a really weird mix of? The bench players through Boston that were there like I was talking about this yesterday actually. Start, a lot of I mean looking back at it now with the emergence of Thais Brown and Tatum. So it was it was Kyri Brown and Tatum Hayward Horford. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Start Five, the bench you have Aaron Baynes Daniel Ties Marcus Morris? Sarah's year a it's got a you know we're going to back then like fifteen years just look at the roster on paper and be like, what's they bounce and second round? What's because this is like all these great. You know role players like tatum before he was a superstar Jim Brown before he was the All Star Level Guy. You know this just crazy. Yeah. Those weird weird time. But Hey, it's better than the jared soldier years. That's for sure a dude he was my guy. Used to think he was gonna I thought it was gonna be so good I used to talk myself into that every year I'm like if jared just comes in and shape this year. L. Good and never did the bigger and bigger every I, know man. At Him, he was a great player I mean, okay. Not Great use a good player One of the og stretch guys was stretched towards honestly and the also stretched four but. This was geared man appreciate it. Why would you talk some hoops again, we'll definitely have some more coming out next week. Hopefully, your celtics will get a dub I'm hoping that the nuggets extend the series because I want to keep watching them play. To. Watch this morning basketball but. To everyone, listening at home. Please be sure to rate and review on Apple podcast. CHECK US out on spotify subscribe there as well and be sure to read us over pre dot Org. Follow us on twitter as well. 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X's and O's Deep Dive of Denver-Los Angeles and Boston-Miami with Mo Dakhil

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X's and O's Deep Dive of Denver-Los Angeles and Boston-Miami with Mo Dakhil

"Hello and welcome to the game theory podcast Summer of Sam fassini. We are presented by the athletic. I've got a really really fun show scheduled for you today modes akhil from the athletic from Bleacher Report from the internet where he tweets out a ton of really great clips mid-game. We dive deep into the X's and O's of both the Denver Los Angeles series and the Boston Miami series. We talked a lot about the Mason Plumlee breakdown and Anthony Davis 3-pointer to see the Lakers go up 2-0 in that series. We talked a lot about the different adjustments that are happening throughout the course of that series and how Denver can kind of maybe sneak their way back into it and then we move on and talk about everything that's happening in Boston Miami series because there is a lot of really interesting stuff going on there between what the two coaches are doing. So from the X's and O's standpoint. There's no one better than most so I had to get them on but before we get their wage, I've got to let you know there's a really great deal going on at the athletic. Don't miss the exclusive in-depth coverage of this unprecedented Sports season subscribe now and save sign up now. I see yourself the creativity reporting and storytelling that sets the athletic part and if you go to the athletic.com game theory you can receive an all access subscription for just took $1 a month sports are back and you're not going to want to miss the breaking stories the in-depth analysis, whatever it is that you're coming to look for. The Athletics got it go to the athletic.com slash game theory or even all access subscription for just $1 a month. We hope to see you there now, let's get to mow. Motor cable is in the building Mo what's going on, man? Oh, not a whole lot man. Just enjoying Hoops whenever I can get it. So it's it's been a fun weekend of basketball. We got the start of the Lakers Nuggets series. We got off a bit of a comeback in the Boston Miami series because Boston decided to get that thing back to 2 to 1. So I am pumped that we have two series with that at least based off of what happened last night in nuggets Lakers look like they're going to be highly competitive. Yeah, I mean it's definitely going to be a very competitive series. I don't know. Well, actually, I don't want to say definitely because that's the kind of lost that can flatten your heart like the real life late you there? They should have the Nuggets really should have won that game and I think it was a brutal brutal way to lose and sometimes teams can't come back from that. But I'm not counting out the Nuggets cuz cause they've come back from bigger things this whole playoffs. So I'm not really betting against them either. Yeah, they're tough. I mean these guys really battle they fight they seem to have a resilience that long, you know, it seemed like the Clippers kind of prove that they didn't have this here, right? So, yeah, I think they get a lot of credit for that. Yeah, and you got and you just gotta you know, play it out. I think this team has shown no resiliency. This is something I didn't think Sam they had before the start of the playoffs like I kind of doubted this a little bit and even after they beat Utah coming back from 3-1 ago, like wow that's impressive. Of I was like but you know now they're going to the Clippers and that's that's going to be a loss and and and that's going to be relatively easy and it you know, and when they went down 3-1, I was like, yeah, I feel pretty good about this wage. Then of course they came back again. And and I think at this point down just like I'm just not going to doubt them. Yeah. No, I think that's definitely the way that we have to go about it with the Nuggets like we have to assume that they can make comebacks and that they can I mean even the last night like it was an incredible comeback. I thought the way they battled back like they were down. I think it was seven or eight within what two and half minutes left and even that they just kept fighting and kept scratching and kept clawing to where they took that one point lead going into that final possession and then unfortunately just didn't Come Away With It Off Yeah, I mean that's just it like this is a team that's going to keep coming and I think you know, they're they're going to earn a lot of respect from everybody around the league because of it. Yeah. This was a game. Look the Lakers were up 16 in the second quarter and it felt like this thing was going to be a massive blow out, you know, and and even then for them to just kind of stay the course and stay with everything, you know, you gotta give them a lot of credit. They they kept battling so, you know and put them in a position to win the end. Yeah, and I think I do want to mention. You know, Mike Malone has been awesome throughout this entire playoffs. Like there was a coach of the playoffs so far in like apologies to a pollster who is done incredible as well and deserve so many props. Like I think I would say Mike Malone because the little adjustments that he keeps, you know, ticking into place make this thing work. It's just remarkable like from realizing that Gary Harris didn't have it last night and going with PJ Dozier right? Like little things like that getting what they can out of my Porter Jr. Off the Bench despite very clear defensive deficiencies off, you know, obviously, he made a slight miscalculation at the end of the game by tahsan Mason Plumlee in there as opposed to Paul Millsap, but I think that Mike Malone is done. an exceptional job and you know, maybe it is worth moving directly into starting at the finish of this game to where yeah, it may seem only just kind of I don't it's hard for me to tell what his thought process there was I think it was just like he thought it was a screen coming from LeBron and you know yelled out for a switch, but I'm like, I think that you know, it's a player who's not particularly comfortable dealing with off-screen actions is a center it's you know guys that he guards and not to run off of ball screens. So when you put guys in a uncomfortable situations be it, you know what Anthony Davis said happened last night and it was originally a play for LeBron and Anthony Davis, you know looked at Rajon Rondo and decided to wage go off-script a little bit or if it was, you know, the Lakers coaching staff devising a situation where they saw Mason Plumlee out there and saw a guy who isn't particularly comfortable dealing with those kind of actions and you know how to Anthony go out and run basically off of a pseudo screen. I think that everything about that from the Lakers perspective was incredibly wage. teligent to put Mason in that position I mean, there are a lot of things in that play. I think part of the calculus to put Plumley in the game. And that's an area was we're just going to protect the paint. Right? Right Baseline out-of-bounds. We want to make sure we protect the paint there. This is we don't want anything like a slip to the basket or things like that right there down one so on so I think that right so you gotta protect the the rim you're thinking maybe there's a lob coming off, you know, you have Rondo inbounding the ball who great passer. I put back a little bit when they say like this was a play for LeBron cuz he didn't move the entire play like it wasn't, you know, I'm not sure what the full design of the play was because if 80 doesn't come around and get the ball like I don't know your choice. I guess they're hoping they can just lob it up over the top to LeBron at the elbow and he'll just hit a jumper. Like I don't know what the whole action was cuz there wasn't a lot to it on the Lake Edge. Resent so, you know the the big thing and you touched on it like Plumbing is not the type of guy to chase a perimeter player. This isn't something that he does well and you know the the mistake I think with Malone made was, you know, everybody says that you know, putting Plumley instead of Millsaps, but I think it's because Millsaps and Grant had kind of a good understanding of where to be and and whatnot and I'm not seeing a lot of people saying yo Grant should have switched and things like that. You're asking him to leave LeBron, like just just understand that without there being it wasn't like eighty was coming off of LeBron shoulders right or even just awful LeBron's backside, you know, LeBron's at the elbow and Davis is curling around the three-point line. Like there was a lot of space there and see that think like, oh, he should just immediately go. I mean one he has his back to the ball cuz he he can't so he can't really see anything. He's trying to face guard LeBron and then you have Plumley who's coming off. And from the start of the play is in bad position cuz he's not even in Davis's body. Right? Like there's a lot of space in between and he's really disconnected Sam and it's such a problem. So even when it's clear 80s not running to the paint but running around the three-point line Plumley never closes the Gap and he's calling Grant to switch but let's just say it plays out. Let's say grass switches out to a CD, you know and and takes that pass away the position of where Plumley is and asking for Grant they're telling grants switch off opens up the slip for LeBron right to the rim, like that's just a disaster and its own right? Like that's a at the very least a foul somebody's going to get called for a foul if he catches it and goes up with it. If not an easy one, so it's not like Switching was the end-all be-all and that scenario. So, you know, I think it was a blown coverage, you know starting with Plumlee and you know, they still got a damn good Contest out of jokic. I think you'll catch did well to get back in position and fight and try to contest that shot. I'm glad you brought up the amount of space at Mason gave Anthony Davis. I really think that they're I don't want to say I know this at all cuz I don't I wonder if in the Hudson Malone told them no easy to use because it was a one-point game and they thought more than shooting the three that the Lakers would use their size Thursday Vantage and try to get it to instead of a three. And if that happened, I think that's actually like kind of a reasonable move on Malone's part. But at the same time like Mason Plumlee needs to be tighter wage and be if he does if he kind of gives up that space early he needs to quickly get into lock and Trail position as opposed to just like viewing into the screen and yelling switch off while trying to like cut off that passing Lane to LeBron James as you kind of mentioned with LeBron diving to the rim as quickly as he can and you know at the end of the day Mason Plumlee is not going to be quick enough to catch up a diving to the basket from the position. He was in so I totally agree with you that the ultimate cardinal sin here. Was not even that Mason Plumlee called for a switch. It was the amount of space that he gave Anthony Davis originally because the amount of space that he gave Anthony Davis originally before Anthony Davis off and moving even was What kind of veered him into the screen to begin with? But it wasn't even a screen saying like it right hundred percent starts to like it was he screamed himself off like as soon as the play happens, he just ran immediately as faithful Braun had a Plumley magnet, right and then calmly just came running right to him, you know, and there's there's a video beforehand of Grant telling Plumley like come here come here and see if there's a screen, you know, we don't know fully what grants saying but he's kind of talking to Plumley and motioning like come to this spot and that's just this to me. That's if there's a a spag incoming because you can't let a t just run that aimlessly without really being untouched, you know, or or I feel like he's being chased like that was a big play right there and and, you know granted it's the game-winner and it's a tough shot because of jokic is can test who I think that again just did a great job showed that speed he flashed in the hallway pregame. You know it to get out there but like the just that mistake is a big one and you know at the end they games and this is the thing to this isn't the first time we've seen plumber. Oh this against the Lakers in the bubble, you know, the Kyle kuzma three, you know was a a situation where Plumley thought there was supposed to be a switch and there wasn't and then he's behind the action and you have Crews coming off of a post-split knocking down at 3, like, you know, it's just here's the thing. I don't trust Palmer at the end of games. Don't put him in a defensive position that The end the games. Yeah, I do agree with you. I think it's like hard for me to like we we've now spent like seven minutes or whatever kind of harping on this last play and like this last defensive steak from mistakes and Mason Plumlee and at the end of the day that ended up being the final possession where the Lakers won the game. I don't think it's necessarily the most important thing of what cost Denver the game. It was a miscommunication that was in an exceptionally bad spot and he is at fault like I agree with you it being that there was no actual screen set from LeBron James. There's just no circumstance where Jeremy Grant can actually be expected to switch there. Like you cannot go from Full denial of LeBron James. You can't switch there. If you're jeremi Grant I mean if you're going to switch you gotta feel like your guy is there like, you know, there's a big thing when I was taught about switching in the NBA and this is something I learned in San Antonio was it was contacts which like the Defenders had to come in to touch with each other cuz that basically took away any real slip opportunity, right? But plumlee's calling for it when he's at the Nick Berg. He'll like he's not even close to to Grant to even be ready to switch. So, you know, it's just a tough position and you're right again, you're asking Grant to leave life. Probably the best player on this planet right now. You know, or we can debate it or what what not and all that stuff. But at least top three so your husband players playoffs in it. Yeah. Yeah and you're asking him to leave LeBron in a game-winning situation. No spots. Yeah. I know. I'm not no no, no, no, no, no, no, you know and and it was just and it was just such a weird play in the in the in the scheme of everything else because if he doesn't get the ball, I don't know where it's going. I don't think the Lakers get a job after that because there's just nowhere to go LeBron wasn't working. There's probably be maybe two more seconds left on the the 5-second count if we're being generous and the Lakers had no timeouts like, you know, Rhonda was going to have to throw it somewhere. So right I think it was crazy. But of course these things don't just come down to one play. Over all right, like a spy One play out of whatever 300 throughout the game, you know, they they made mistakes along the way but overall I thought jokic was phenomenal down to stretch. I mean his performance in the clutch fan was was amazing and I thought he did a great job attacking switches beating up on the smaller guys a bit. I mean his tipping when Murray missed that 3 was was a hell of a play to begin with. Yep. I mean that's not going to get unfortunately that's going to get overshadowed but that was massive. Yeah. I mean that was the last play on there like a little nine-point run that they went on to actually take the lead was an enormous play and like he I think that did he squirrel 9 of those points like I'm pretty sure he did. I'm pretty sure he did cuz it was post up post up 3gb. Yeah, then that tip and and then the post up over a d and then they'd be made the shot. So I thank you though. That's that's kind of I think the last eleven points for them. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. Nikola jokic, you know we mentioned this on the podcast last week with Danny leroux, but Nikola jokic is morphed into I mean look if you're asking someone to take the final shot is a game. I'm still probably taking, you know, someone in the LeBron James Kawhi Leonard class, but you can make a very real case that Nikola jokic is one of them for most clutch players in the NBA right. Now. I mean performance in elimination games given his performance and playoff games like that guy. I want that guy every single time on my team. I mean if I have 15 seconds, I'm going to run a post up for yoga. It's like I feel like I'm going to get a good look out of it. Even if they come to double I trust him to make the pass out of it, you know, and if they don't come to double I mean listen eighties was what second Team all defense is here, you know, it was a potential Defensive Player of the Year recipient like, you know, and he just backed him down and went straight into his jump hook it like it was nothing, you know, and and I think that that says a lot so, you know, you gotta start looking at each in those scenarios. I think he's going to be able to deliver with that time and had his his run throughout the whole playoffs like it got overshadowed a little bit with how Murray played so well in fact the Utah series but he put a big numbers in that series as well. Like he's having a hell of a playoff series like this is this is exciting stuff just cuz you're looking at a guy like I can't wait to continue to watch this team. He's the oldest really of the main guys on that team and he's twenty-five. Yeah, it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. And you're the last thing I want to finish up on on Plumlee real quick before we move on to the rest of the nuggets in the Lakers here. It's just like I said some people saying like oh, this is like the worst thing the worst mistake that's been made in the end of the game defensive scenario. I think I've ever seen that stuff just as like Super Bowl like we see defensive breakdowns like this regularly and like I I just don't want Mason to get like demolished for this. It was a bad play. The original sin was again. I think that you gave them too much space but like let's just just like chill a little bit on it because this stuff happens throughout the course of a regular NBA game. It was a bad mistake. I was his fault. But again, like we do see this stuff like semi-regularly like it was not like the worst thing ever in the history of the planet. I mean we got I mean we speak very hyperbolic every time right? This is the band Bloc was the greatest block of all like chill out relax, like, you know, like we do it every time with everything it was damn impressive, but you know, we gotta calm down a bit and I think and and Sam I might be a little bit guilty as well because I had put up the video, you know broke down that play but I think overall like that doesn't Define Plumley life had good plays in there. I just think some of it comes down to like this isn't a guy. I trust at the end the games to make smart decisions, you know, this isn't a guy want out there on a defensive stop. Like that was kind of I think the biggest issue is, you know, that's something you gotta look at Malone and go in like why are you bringing him in? You know, I didn't think like Millsap was getting torched. I don't know if Millsap gets out there in time. But I you know, if he doesn't, you know, I think he makes you know can make a smarter decision that I trust him in that sense and I think sometimes yeah, we just beat up on these guys and and we are so quick to say this was the greatest thing since sliced bread until the next play happens. Right and you're right like defensive breakdowns are going to we're going to see at least two or three more throughout the the playoffs of an end a game defensive breakdown most likely like, you know, it's just it's what's going to happen, right? No, that's a hundred percent, right? I think the Millsaps probably wouldn't have given Anthony Davis the original space the Plumley did and you know given that I think that was the cardinal sin here like Millsap would have been the better option. But that's fine. Like it's dead. It's over done with the nuggets are going to move on and I think the bigger problem for the Nuggets is they need to figure out what the fuc to do in Jamal Murray's minutes off-court like Jamal Murray play for 4 minutes last night the Nuggets won those minutes by sixteen points, Jamal Murray was off the court for four minutes last night. They lost those minutes by eighteen points took the whole game. The game me is so much bigger of a deal for Denver. They need to figure out like I know that Montana went like three or four and had nine points, but like he was just not good enough defensively like it's why I think in part and like look PJ Dozier plays the wing more than he plays the point for them. But like, you know, they do often go with those two point guard lineups with Jamal Monta like, I think that's part of why the dog Up tossing PJ in there. They just felt like they weren't getting enough from Torrey Craig and monse Morris. Yeah, and I think really the guy I'm really looking at that would have had to have stepped out stepped up more in that scenario is Gary Harris. I mean, yep, he was one of six, you know Malone, you know, put him on the bench early only got 25 minutes, but like that's a that's a big one at 6, you know for just three points and things like that. I think across the board. They just they struggled. I thought Porter played well Oh coming off the bench for them. But yeah, it's they gotta figure it out. You know, how are you going to be able to steal minutes? Cuz this is still a long way to go if they're going to win four games. This is at minimum six-game Series, right? If not 7 cuz I imagine the Lakers will probably wouldn't one more. I mean, we all know the Nuggets don't play until it's 3-1, but I think it's a thing where like you can't expect him to go 45 minute for the next four or five games, you know, like that's just not really feasible on on Murray Hill be exhausted in guests. And I think that's that's going to be a big one is they're going to have to figure out how can we win those minutes, you know and Even not even a Windows minutes, but just not lose them. So badly, you know that four-minute stretch could get a basically cost you the game and that's that's a brutal realization look at and I think it's it's hard but you just you gotta look at the other guys and be like, yo, we need you to give us more if you're not scoring you need to at least be able to defend you can't give up the buckets. We've given up and part of it to manage overall an incredibly sloppy game really from both teams. Yep, you know with 21 turnovers like it's it hurts, you know, you can't have Millsaps and Grant can't combine for six turn off amongst each other, you know, like yogurt is going to get turnovers, even though he only had to Marie's going to get turnovers cuz the handle also bought the other guys can't be the ones coughing it up. Yeah. I mean even the Lakers had 23 turnovers in this game, you know, they got nine turnovers from Kyle kuzma and Rajon Rondo and that's just going to be really tough for them to overcome and they did like they figured out A way to do it. I do think that like last night in a lot of ways was kind of a microcosm of how tough this matchup is for Denver at the end of the day just because they had a lot of stuff go right down a turned it over more often that you want. And yeah, they shot like 34% from 3, but they actually did like shoot pretty well on what is a great interior defense wage. Like they got an incredible performance and Nikola jokic while Dwight Howard was out there. Like I don't even know what Dwight was doing last night long terms of like just being I mean do I was it was it was a it was a weird way convenient being very extra. Yeah. That's a good way to play think that kind of actually off. You know, it was just like a lot more than what it in a way where it was actually like you wanted us to bring it to you. But that was kind of a little bit of a bad energy off. And here's what they do like the problem for you. Oh kitchen really for the the nuggets in this series is just that the Lakers can continue to throw Big's at jokic thought they were going to start the game with McGee. They're going to come in with you know Howard right which is at the very least. He's annoying the hell out of everybody, you know from jokic to the fans down and drive it everybody a little bit nuts, but he's becoming an irritant and he was really good in game one was not so good in game two and maybe jokic hasn't figured out but then they still have Morris that they could think of and of course they could end up with a d on them, you know, like there's there's a lot of good bodies that they could throw at them and it's not like like I don't trust the Nuggets to go small know, you know like dead. Maybe it's funny Porter at the 4 and go with jokic at the 5 but that's not better than the Lakers going small with a g at the five and LeBron at the for you know, and that's that's something that I don't think they necessarily have a great small ball lineup, maybe down the road as Porter progresses. Hopefully on the defensive end becomes a little bit of a better Defender. It could work out that way right now in this series This Moment Like that's the problem. They kind of got to stay a little bit big and that allows the Lakers to stay big and to continue to throw bodies at jokic home will end like there's a reason that Michael Porter wasn't out there closing the game despite the fact that Porter had a really good game last night offensively and it's that these teams that can really hit backdoor passes and these pick-and-roll ball-handlers like LeBron who can really take advantage of his still-developing. Let's call them. Stinks as a Defender and the pick-and-roll off the ball. They can just really Hammer him like even though Michael Porter dropped 15 points on six of nine shooting and had four rebounds and did really really good job last night. He also they lost his minutes by six points like his defense is still lacking and there's a reason that I thought he was a lot better against the Clippers and I mentioned this on the last podcast as well. You know, the Clippers offense is very stationary and stagnant in a way that is easier for him to guard and they don't have a ton of crazy ball movers and passers with the Lakers. They have guys like Rajon Rondo and LeBron James who while their offense can get stagnant. They can really manipulate the way help defense play them in Michael Porter is still developing in terms of not following for a lot of those little tricks to the trade defensively that LeBron James and Rondo and off. Of these other guys that the Lakers have present to them. Yeah and look at it this way when we talk about Porter and I think everybody needs to kind of relax a little bit and I'm critical of him. I'm on top of it. I'm critical of every player cuz I'm a jerk the right. Damn Sam. You're supposed to say like, I'm bad know, I'm I'm with you on it though. Like they were jerks. We're just we tend to look at them like whole picture on this stuff. And yeah, Michael Porter had a really useful night last night, but like he didn't really help them in terms of like winning a playoff game either and and let's be honest here. If you ask Mike Malone in January and February know if he told him. Hey Michael Porter Jr. Is going to be a big part of your bench, you know in the playoffs am going to play Big minutes for you and big games, you know, in in in game sevens and and things like that in the series he would have looked at you crazy, you know, like the kid was still developing he still like what is he like Twenty-One years. Yep, you know, he's still learning. This is his first real Touch of of NBA basketball cuz he sat out all last year. So it's not like this is just like it's it's it's should be shocking to be honest if he was so good defensively on top of how good he is offensively we'd be looking at him going like this is like a future MVP type guy wage. I think there's that but there's one more thing. I want to touch on Sam and I know we want to get to the other game. Everybody needs to I hope everybody finally got finally understand how important Rajon Rondo is to this Laker team, you know, like look he got killed and played a terrible game one against rockets. He ain't played basketball since March folks like, you know, oh and then he comes back in game two, and it's just rolling and what he provides is ther ball-handler that allows LeBron that moves LeBron off the ball when he's on the court which then turns LeBron into a cutter, you know turns into set the screen and slip or things like that. It took allows Vogel to move LeBron around the court cuz he has a guy that he knows can get him the ball. I mean just even posting up, you know, like Rondo will find him and make the entry pass in a way that only LeBron get it and I think there's an element there that I don't think people realize like that's Rondo's value to this Laker team more than anything else and when you have him and LeBron on the court together it Opens everything up for them offensively because now you have to super high IQ guys who seem to be very connected and understanding what the other one wants to do. Like that's a problem. You know when LeBron went back door off of Murray, you know for the the lot of dunk like that's something LeBron's comfortable doing cuz he knows Rondo's going to find them with the past. Yeah. I don't know if he's comfortable if Caruso has it. I don't know if he's comfortable. If it's Danny Green throwing the Lop like that's a different scenario. So I think that's an important aspect when we talked about this Laker team the the value Rondo brings to it is just the Comfort level and and allows them to move LeBron in different ways. Yeah, and I think that another big thing that that does and you kind of alluded to this in the start of that little Spiel is off. He allows them to unlock those small lineups because like you said they go small better than in my opinion anyone in the NBA, right? And that's how they ended up dead. Like steamrolling the Rockets the Rockets go small. Well, the Lakers can go small to their big one. They go small because Anthony Davis the size of a true Center and LeBron James the size of true for and they can play like Jack Danny Green and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, and it's like a normal sized line up, but These guys being big while also being able to Big be able to you know, play skilled small ball, right? It's like kind of a convoluted foam turn of phrase in terms of the line-ups that they can put out there. But you know, cuz these lineups aren't really actually small they're just normal sized line-ups that are hyper skilled that have the perception for opposing teams of being said, you know, Alex Caruso like is a good player and he played 29 minutes last night and his development has allowed them to go small more often than what they could early in the season. But Rajon Rondo is the one that like really unlocks it for them and allows them to go small basically whenever they want to go small right like they were small for half of that game last night. Basically, you know, like believe that McGee and Howard played like literally 24 minutes and then the other 24 minutes. It was just Caruso and Rondo playing the point and sharing lead ball-handler duties with LeBron and then allowing essentially the Lakers to play this hyper skilled brand of basketball that made it really tough on the Nuggets to match up with. Yeah, and I think you know the it's just it's just our guys like playing and simple and you know, we saw Caruso even shrink in the moment, you know, cuz he missed the wide-open three badly, you know the play before and then Danny Green got the offensive rebound which led to marry Block in the shop Baseline out-of-bounds and then plumlee's worst day ever, you know, but I think the other thing too and this is my last point on the game cuz I'm going to wear people down. I still think the Nuggets did a good job defensively in the fourth quarter, you know, you take that play away the Lakers made a lot of like we'll live with that type shots kcp with a corner three up against the shot clock a few plays before the 8380 had another one like a step back three against a shot clock that was contested. Like I felt like the Dead In August did a good job pushing the Lakers to play up against the shot clock and I thought that was something that they did. Well again, it's just unfortunate that they have the end of the day. They just they just lost the page one play Hurt then unfortunately, it was the most important play. In with that, let's take a quick little commercial break and we'll be back with mode to Keel to talk about the Celtics and Heat series. Hey, I'm task. Malice. I've no dunks on the athletic. Do you want to walk into a room with your chest puffed out your neck long your shoulders broad. 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I thought this was going to be a tough one. I know some people had had this being a a Celtics rep and I thought that was kind of silly just not understanding like you know, how good the Miami Heat are as a team not looking at the parts individually, but looking at them as a whole and how well they work together. It's very very impressive. I mean, it's kind of similar to it's different but similar to the the way the Spurs teams were always just all connected with each other and I feel like that's this Miami team The Dead Zone the zone offense at the Celtics were able to improve on in the in game three was just like they did it multiple weights and it was like look getting into the middle attacking from that. They're getting a guy on the Baseline and and you know working the short corner. I mean, there are a couple of plays with Grant Williams making some buckets there. The ball movement was much better. It was bang bang and it didn't stay dead. Enhance as much as it has did in games one and two, I don't know if they fully figured it out because the one thing I look at Sam I go if I Miami I just go. Yeah, they were just a more physical team that game what it felt like in game three, it felt like the Celtics were just were going to physically attack you I mean, they attacked the paint with a reckless abandonment and they just crushed the heat in the wage to the paint numbers. I don't have it in front of me. I got a pull it up when I when I'm done monologuing here, but I think overall I just think that the the Heat present a lot of issues because they're just they're just so damn tough and it's impossible to put them away. I mean, they were down all three of these games and they've made a run at the end of all three of these games and I think the Celtics would be mindful that they can't lose any sort of vigilance and and and stay really rock solid throughout it because they almost let go of the rope and game three Yeah, they really did. I was watching the game over at a friend's house and we were just like waiting for the Miami run it started to come and started to come. We were like Jesus Christ. This team just doesn't die off like this is not going to really don't you know, I mean this is and that's and that's a credit to spell and the players. It's like that's just the the thing that makes them tough as I pulled. I pulled up the numbers. Yeah, the Celtics had sixty paint points, you know to the to the Heat's 36. I thought they did a good job attacking dragich a good job attacking the zone and but I just don't know if that's something that I'm going to I don't expect to see that again in this in this series where they're going to score the the heat by 24 in the in the paint off. You know, it's interesting. I think a big part of it depends on Personnel. Miami can have out on the court and what personnel Miami has to have out on the court to get offense because you know, the thing that took them did really well as they took advantage of Duncan Robinson when he was on the court a lot of the time and Miami in that game for a large portion of it did kind of need dung khong em Xin on the court because Jae Crowder was just straight up missing everything throughout the basket. Kelly Olynyk was atrocious in that game Sorry Kelly just wasn't very good teachers just don't respect. They were terrible his his minutes were terrible. Yeah, like he was awful like sorry. I feel bad like just you know saying that cuz Kelly seems like a very nice guy but like it's terrible and then it would all they didn't really get anything Kendrick Nunn committed. I genuinely think the worst value of ever seen on a basketball court in that game and immediately pulled him was log. You are done for the game. They really only stayed in because Tyler hero and Duncan Robinson went like eight of 20 from 3 and Faith Like didn't turn the ball over and we're constantly a threat that Boston had to account for but those guys give away a lot defensively and Boston took advantage of their size and strength bility to drive on those guys in a really substantial way. Yeah. I thought you know, you gotta give credit to Brad Stevens, you know for for Thursday appointment that plan and together and we keep touching on and I don't think people just understand having another playmaker on the court in Gordon Hayward is massive. And the other thing too is Hayward healthy means gnome the semi ojeleye and that's two different types of players to like when you have ojeleye step on the court, it's not. All right, Sammy get the ball drive-and-kick and make plays. No. No, it's gon no, In the corner and let's pray to God. The ball doesn't come to you, you know, it's it's you know, when it's Hayward. It's all right go out there and make some stuff happen and you're right, even though the numbers weren't, you know, huge, I mean wage it wasn't like an eye-popping six points, you know, but, you know, we had four assists that are massive and I think it was just kind of getting into the nooks and crannies and I actually think he himself off his own Buster and his ability. Like I trust him more than anybody else in the middle, you know for for the Celtics to make the right play as soon as he catches the ball in the middle of that zone as I think if Marcus Smart catches it he's going to look for a second to think about a shot Jayson Tatum's going to look to see if he can drive, you know, Jaylen Brown might be able to make some things. You know might look to try to make something happen Campbell is going to thank you can go into step-back jumper, you know, but there's all that when Hayward gets it he's looking to just Where where's the right play and I think that's a big part of it. And I think the the last thing that makes the the point of having Hayward around so special to is it takes less off Jalen and it takes more off Jaylen Brown's plate and he gets to just focused on doing Jaylen Brown things. You know, it's not a shock to me that with with Hayward on the, you know playing at home the that brown had his best game in this series 26.11 and 17 shooting seven rebounds, you know, five assists like that's a big Jaylen Brown game right there. Yeah. It really was home. Like you said Gordon kind of unlocks a lot of the different line-ups that they can put out there because of that they they had a tendency early in the series get a little bit stagnant right? Like it was a lot of different guys looking for their own shot. I thought the markets also did a better job in that game of looking for a past and then month. King for a shot Marcus was also the beneficiary of getting a chance to play on Duncan Robinson and Tyler hero a reasonable amount and took advantage of that driving to the basket and getting the facts on a bunch. So I kind of think I agree with you in a way that like Gordon hayward's just sheer presence if forces Miami's defensive matchups to have really nice kind of adjust in a way that makes things very difficult for them and they almost have to have something like they amount of Bio Jimmy Butler Jae Crowder dragich. And honestly, I think kind of a fourth Defender out there is much as they can afford to put Duncan and Hero on the bench like it's just going to be really hard for all of drug. It's junk in in hero to be on the court against the Celtics lineups when they're able to play as intelligently as they are. Yeah, and it's hard, you know and that's part of the reason why they go into their Zone and that's why the you know, the Jimmy Butler's and guys like that are up top to try to wreak havoc. So if she takes the pressure off those guys, but if I sell things can be manipulated and and find the cracks they'll be able to even in the zone still be able to go at the Robinsons the dragon and and the heroes although I think like I'd be careful continuing to go ahead rangitsch. He's a tough dude, like he'll figure it out. I'm not too worried about him. He ain't going to be a defensive stopper, but I don't think he'll be in a bad defensively throughout the rest of the series as as as he was I think in this game just think the other thing too and this is the ultimate thing for me Sam. I just trusts vo to make the right move, right? And this isn't a shot at Stephens. I just think SPO is one of the the most underrated coaches in the NBA. I think he's a top-five if not a top-three coach right now in the birth. I think we over look him a lot because he won those championships with LeBron, but he really kind of put a Modest good stuff in that action there. I think even in those LeBron heat teams, like look, he just said look, we're going to put Bosch on the outside and we're going to play LeBron on the interior bit more and took what netted them. And I think there's just there's a lot of cleverness in there. So for me, I think spell has especially now with a couple of days off in-between. I'm a little bit excited to see what's po might has worked up and is a evil lab. So it's funny. I think that when I think of Brad I think of a guy who is actually not awesome in my opinion investing in game. I think he is exceptional just it adjusting like after the game and coming up with a game plan to make things work in suppose case. I think SPO is a great game adjustment guy and one place that you saw that has been in the way that they've used bam out of bio as a roller in this series. In the first half of game two, they were often just kind of running, you know, bam pick-and-rolls. They've short roll them into floater range. They would, you know roll him to the strong side of the page where there were multiple guys. And then in the second half of game two in this extended into game three, they especially when Duncan Robinson made those three 3-pointers start the game in game three It really just opened up everything for bam. Adebayo. It made it to the point where they would just roll bam to that week side where Duncan is input all sorts of pressure off the tagger for Boston, whoever it was and It's an impossible choice because your choice is either I'm leaving one of the five best Shooters in the world for an open 3 or I'm I'm like not tagging on the bandwidth bio and allowing him to get a wide open dunk hit the basket and that doesn't work either and you know bam, I feel like his at scored 53 points or something in the last 6 quarters of the series in part because of how SPO is put him in position to just give all sorts of trouble to Boston's help Defenders, you know, sometimes empty outside of the court and make them just the roller. Sometimes it'll be on Duncan. Sometimes it'll be on hero in his side because hee-ro was just on fire throughout the first half and Boston adjusted to him, right? So the way that they've utilized bansal roller has been exceptional in this series and I think that The problem with this is now going forward. If you have to play more defensive lineups with you know, say Derek Jones replacing a Duncan Robinson or Andre Iguodala replacing. Hey Tyler hero or you know having to play band Jimmy J and one of equal dala or Derrick Jones to each other. It makes it much more difficult to get those open rolls to the basket for Bayonetta. Oh, you loved that right like with those guys you'll live with it and your respond on in your assessment. Like I have video clips that I put up of you know watching Jaylen Brown hugging up on Robinson clearing the way for bam rule same thing with With Tatum, you know and I think that's kind of the three-point shot is so important for Miami those guys knocking down shots even and crowd are knocking down threes as well. Like those guys knocking down shots put so much pressure on the defense because it just opens everything up cuz now it's like okay, we can't leave these dudes on these pick-and-rolls and now it just becomes a two-man game. Look Daniel. Theis has been really good throughout these playoffs. He don't stand a chance rotating over to Bam on the role after helping like that's and that's not a shot on tires. There's not a lot of guys I could do that, you know, and I think that's kind of the issue and this there's a great example Sam in in game two. It was the third quarter where bam got 15 points. I think off of these the pick-and-rolls and things like that including an and one and stuff like that in fourth quarter. They're running a high pick-and-roll and it's Grant Williams in Georgia. And he's so cognizant of the BAM role. He actually gives up a layup to Target. Like that's I mean that's kind of the effect of it. So I think you know the the it all comes down to the heat on the offensive end of like can they freeze to make those guys have to pressure and and open up that rule and if you make enough threes made can live or what they're going to give up on the defensive end. Where do we think this series goes from here. I I picked Boston in six hard-fought games. I still think I would take Boston to win the series. Now that Hayward is back. I do think I would say 7, but where are you at in terms of where this goes? I think this goes seven and I think it's a toss-up cuz I just think game sevens anything can happen. You know, we saw it with Clippers Nuggets, you know, it can get going. I think if everybody's if healthy things like that like I I just don't I don't think the heat are going to have three bad games in a row, you know, I thank you know, they'll I think they might lose the next game but you know, it's I could see them coming back, you know drag it shot really poorly to 4:10 Crowder was to 4:10. He's been pretty hot in the playoffs. So it's it scares me to save to trust him to to get going, but I don't think he's going to be as bad. I don't think he'll Linux. Going to play as bad as he did like that was just that was just got off one. And I know you don't want to kill him cuz he's you know, nice guy and that's his Canadian features. But you know, he just he just kind of he really struggled in this wage. I think it's going to be a a thing and I think we're going to see a more aggressive Jimmy Butler like Jimmy's been able to kind of hang back for the first three quarters and then turn it on for the 4th and I would think that kind of hurt them in game three, but I think we'll see a a more aggressive Jimmy earlier on in the game to to kind of alleviate the pressure off the other guys and put more pressure on Boston and I think that something there but for me, I just think overall in the series like even when Miami was up to I said, this is still probably a seven-game series If I was Miami, I think that one of my big adjustments would be trying to be more aggressive driving toward the basket when Daniel Tyson help because ties while Celtics fans get frustrated with the whistle that taste gets regularly. It's accurate that he does get tough whistle and if they can get him in foul trouble to wear tights, like what happened in game three can only play 24 minutes. That means that the Celtics either going to have to play small town with Walker smart Hayward Brown Tatum, or they're going to have to play small or like with Grant Williams as well. Right or they're going to have to involve an enchanter or Robert Williams and the first two games of this series. I'm trying to remember how much Rob played in game two. To be honest now, I think about it might only been game was dead. Now that I'm remembering every time Rob was on the court Miami just hunted him with off-ball action because they knew that like he's just not trustworthy and making the right reads off the ball. Yeah, and I thank you. Just gotta kind of keep attacking and I think that's your look. Robert Williams is still young guy still still learning as he goes and things like that. I don't think they need the advantage at the big man position. You know, I think if anybody thinks theis is going to be able to stop bam like good luck guys like and and wild Scout take yeah, I was going to leave that alone. But whoever said that was a wash it really needs to be thank God, it's Anonymous cuz I don't want to know who the Scout is cuz that's his own team might be like, you know, what are you doing wrong? But I think the the thing is just bands just that much better in Tyson's been good and it been important for this Boston team and will play an important role throughout the playoffs, but he ain't gonna be overcome how good band is and you know, we can talk about it being a tough whistle also types of owls a lot. It's a simple sometimes these are just legitimate fouls and and Thursday. That's something that they gotta figure out. I thought you know, they they stole some minutes with Cantor in the game a little bit and and this might be a game that he can play in but overall like I think the the Celtics best radio is Place Mall. I think that I think their best way to go is when theis is on the court like I think that having Tyson his size and his ability to move on the perimeter and protect the ram like I do think that is still their best lineup, but the ability they now have to adjust down and play a small lineup that it's competent that doesn't always have to involve Grant Williams playing is like an undersized five and Grant has been awesome so far in this series, especially in games two and three like Grant has been very very useful but off again. He's a guy that's like somewhat limited here. I mean in terms of what he's doing, especially offensive li, like I know the 3-point shots falling right now, but Grant knows his role and doesn't try to do too much offensively by Design because he has so many good teammates. So the big thing for me is going to be how much How many minutes can they get out of Daniel theis and how effective is that? Small lineup going up against bam where one of you know, Jaylen brown or Jayson Tatum, frankly or Marcus Smart might be smart that they put on them is going to have to deal with bam because that does not feel like a great matchup for me. Yeah, I mean it just it gets interesting at that point when you do go small. I think it's smart that goes on band when you go small and I think you just got to be ready to give help and and you know what? I also trust smart to be able to do it, you know, he's proven to be a hell of a Defender and this is you know for all the disappointment sometimes if not, making an old defensive team or a defensive player of the year award like this is where you prove it and this is where I think he can step up for this team. And I think it just opens the whole just opens so many things for them up offensively and I think that's really kind of the important thing for for Altec the last thing that opens up a lot for them offensively before we get out of here. I just want to briefly note Jayson Tatum's passing ability the leap he's made as a passer through these playoffs has just been so incredibly important to help Boston is operating his ability to now like read the second and third level of Defense has hit a ridiculous drive and kick off. And consistently hit that guy. I mean over his last five games. He's had nine seven five four eight assists and it's been an enormous part of life allowing him to actually have the ball more often in his hands and feel like you can let Kemba Walker play off the ball and try and get loose that way as opposed to having to deal with bam in a pick-and-roll. We're bam is just going to switch on to him and make his life miserable. Yeah, I mean that's the thing like his his growth as a playmaker has been really good and and and is going it has to continue to get better and improve because again at times he gets tunnel vision and get stuck into you know, I need to go get my own but his ability to draw in guys on the the drives and and being able to to make the right read out of it is is what's going to take Tatum really to the next level as a superstar. Yeah, I mean, I think it already has he is he's just been so unbelievable in the playoffs. I mean the guys averaging twenty five points and rebounds five assists and about a block and a steal per game while shooting forty five thirty nine hundred eighty from the field. I mean this guy's 22. This should not be happening like it's not normal, you know, but he's in what his fourth year in the league now, I think this is I mean, this is the third this is the growth you kind of, you know, you it's happening quickly, but it's impressive and it's it's a good thing and this is this stuff we've we've kind of got excited about his rookie year, right? We're we're like this dude's going to be as a chance to be a star and although I took a little bit of a regression the the second year for a million different reasons. You know, it's it's great to see him kind of Step Up Now in this role and and you know, here's the other thing too. And this is something Celtics fan should be excited about I only see good things for Dylan Brown and Jayson Tatum for years to come, you know for the Celtics, you know, as long as they handle all the other pieces around them properly. I think this team is going to be something for the next. Yeah, five to six seven years with these guys if knock on wood, everybody stays healthy and and things like that like this is the kind of you know, tight-knit group between those two. I think that you're going to begin to see some truly amazing things over the ears with with the squad. I mean got the two toughest things figured out like the two toughest pieces to get in the NBA right now our two-way Wings who can create their own shop. They've got two of them that are twenty-three years old or younger like that's that's the Ballgame you can figure out especially with all the assets. They have they have three first-round picks coming up this year. Like they can figure out the rest of it. I think around those two dead. And if they don't it will honestly be just like a tremendous failure of this front office at these two don't if they don't win a title with these two, but I kind of think that at some point to happen. I don't know if it's going to happen this year, but they are they've got the toughest part figured out long-term I think in Boston Yeah, though they're they're they're well during a good spot right now. I think it's just a matter of continuing to grow and and basically don't screw it up. All right Mo Money. I'm going to get you out of here, man. Tell the people where they can find your work. Tell people what's going on your life. I mean, did you do you watch the Emmys last night in the midst of watching this Lakers Nuggets series what's going on with you? I I did not watch the Emmys. I'm not a huge award show fan in general. So that wasn't really on my my list but look back and be a basketballs on I'm going to be locked in for the playoffs with that stuff. You could find my writing work on Bleacher Report. You can find you know, I'm on several podcasts. It feels like a day now for the athletic from you know, the daily dang to Murder She Wrote to Broden. Beard where we talk about the Houston Rockets, you know, and you can find all that stuff just by following me on Twitter at mode that he'll mod akhil underscore NBA off cuz I tweet out a whole bunch of stuff and during games. I'm constantly tweeting out videos and, you know, trying to point out the good stuff the bad stuff most of the best guys things reason that I have changed on somewhat regularly to break down the X's and O's it's cuz he's the best man like, I'm so excited that we got a chance to really dive into the Weeds on these two series because they are fun like there's a couple of different little things happening out there from an adjustment standpoint from an X's and O's standpoint. There's no one better to talk about them than well. We'll be back later this week with some more stuff, but until next time we could talk soon. Bye.

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November 19 Hour 2 Silly College Conference Declarations | Thursday Night Special

"Just minutes after the second and final hour here on the program. It's the whole show powered by pd. Energy were live from the auto collision specialists studios weird weird week colorado state. Unlv canceled well. That's the wrong word not playing this weekend. That's what we should be saying not cancelled. Let me just let me preach a little bit. Those of you tweeting me face booking me saying things like back. Twelve not having a their not allowing non conference games. They're not a mountain. West does not re- rescheduling cancelled games. Postponed games stop. It should know better by now. Fourteen days to slow the cur- you know we've been told all these things in two thousand twenty none of it is real until it actually happens like there's a vaccine colfax it's not real until it's out and people can actually lineup and go get it. That's that's where my brain goes with all of it the election. I mean all of it. None of it is done set in stone until it actually is the pac twelve back in august. Remember our conversation with the voice of the buffs. Mark johnson it was silly for the pac twelve to say no football. We're going to go ahead and make that move now. No football no basketball in the year. Twenty twenty remember that and we said why would you. Why would you say that. You don't know what's going to happen. And then suddenly the big ten and the sec. Start rolling we. We're going to. Oh wait what you said was official in. August is not going to have basketball either. Well the buffs play next wednesday so we got that. The mountain west says if we cancel the game. That's it not so fast. They didn't say cancelled in the mountain. West note they said. Unlv will not be traveling to colorado state this weekend. They might still play. I'm not sure when but i. Kelly made a good point. Neither one of those teams will be competing for the mountain west championship. So maybe that weekend that they were scheduled that they're having that game it's when they could play. Who knows anymore. I mean who knows. Nba news couple of interesting tidbits from last night. You know. now you're now you're hearing everybody you know all the news. You know rivers opting out of his contract. With the rockets hardaway. Picks up his option with the mavericks. How about this one. San francisco rejects the golden state warriors. Plan have fifty percent fan capacity. They were they were wanting to do that this year. San francisco rejected it so try again. Golden state try again knicks purge roster they create forty million dollars in cap space nba. It's not the hot stove but it sure should be called something other than nba offseason. Because this is the crazy time. Now we've got the draft done. What is going to mean for the rest of the the rest of the way through. The nuggets are pretty good about their draft. I gotta think you get zeke. Najji the power forward out of the university of arizona. He six eleven great defensive play player. Good rebounder high energy runs the floor all things you need if you're going to play on the team with the coach jamal murray so to me. Great it i mean. Is anybody really an a in this. Draft probably not go to the whole show dot com to vote play. Sports poll question the nuggets number. Twenty two draft. pick zeke. nashi fifty percent of the whole against saying see. That's where you're going well and that you're gonna you're gonna get these listeners. Waiting for you guys. You're gonna get these low great up until years but this is sports talk you have to play the prediction game. You know you have to ask the question when drew lock was drafted the franchise guy rainy. We haven't seen him play. No you don't get to do the whole we know when we know. Now take a guess. Great him based you got. Your kid is great the player you also have to grade the need. Denver definitely needed a power forward. Definitely whether jeremy grant stays with this team or not you definitely needed to get a power forward so c b. Maybe yes e- sees probably fair. I don't wanna be you know. I don't want to go crazy here but i would imagine that. Yeah you could probably get away with saying saying see. That's that's okay. I avenge text. Line three one nine nine six three one nine nine six big. The big news is of course klay thompson today. The fact that he's out for the season again tearing the right aquiles tough spot. Four golden state. Terrible terrible man. A guy that gets injured. It's already a long year. Then you injured again and now you're out for another season tough spot. Their first of intersex three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. So how did the nuggets do he. Added rj hampton didn't have a second round pick rj hampton. They traded traded a future lottery protected. First rounder to new orleans tampa played last season in new zealand. Worked with mike miller in the off season. I think that's worth noting. So where does he fit. He is a slasher guard. You have another guy. Jamal is kind of a slasher kind of it depends on the night. Gary is not. Gary harris is not that guy will barton kind of guy that you can give the ball. Top of the key might try to do something with it. But you really have a guy like this. That's really quick. Monte morris has really quick. he's not really slasher because of his size. He's going to be a quick guy pulls in maybe pulls up at the free throw. Line extended honestly. That's a lotta work jamal. Murray game is you saw him evolve in the playoffs. Though i mean he was starting to take it to the rack a little bit more but now you have another attacking guard so that to me you look. I mean he. He averaged eight points a game. Two point four assists overseas. So he's known as a creator and a scorer as draft he has way more of an offensive mindset the gary harris of course harris who is defensive mindset not really an offensive guy anymore at one point in his career kind of but he's a six he's six foot five one hundred eighty five pounds very athletic. He's a pretty good defender. So you know all this talk about you know. You don't wanna sacrifice gear. Here's his defense to get another slasher another score. He's pretty good deep. So i mean that's gonna help playing overseas against other professionals. That's going to help he honed. His outside shooting worked with mike miller. That's gonna help him as well so pretty good outside shooter. So you're happy with that. I think so when you look at the depth chart right now as it sits. Here's my you know it's jamal. Murray starting point guard. Gary harris still on the roster. I i don't see him going anywhere he'll be the he'll be. You're starting shooting guard. Small forward probably michael porter. Jr. chris and i talked about this yesterday. Jerry grant was interesting assuming he stays with denver. He started the season as a small forward. Then they started using more power for. I think you keep him in power forward you start grant and then you go center nicole yokich now again is grant for sure. Chris told us yesterday the nuggets feel pretty good about it but they went and drafted a six eleven power forward is going to be a starter right off the bat no especially on this roster but if it was a necessity you might it if if if the small percentage chance that grant doesn't resign or opt back in with a new car or he's going to opt out new contract then do you sign paul. Millsap have the veteran presence. Along with zeke. Nause and and paul starts at the beginning of the season and maybe organizing into a starting role again. That's based on grant not coming back to denver. So let's assume the grand does grant should start at power forward. You'd be small there you millsaps. They're about the same height but millsaps bigger. And he's more of a defensive guy down there although grants defense was really good in the playoffs. And that's when he started playing more that power forward roll and then joker. The depth is where we get interesting here. So you have monte morris locked up. Pj does off the books. Twenty twenty one. So do you let him go right. You're done with pj dosier monte. Morris has one year left on his contract so you let him finish out his contract. And then you keep you know. Rj hamptons not gonna. Maybe get a lot of meaningful minutes right off the bat. Yeah that's that's an interesting one he doesn't monte morris doesn't take much up on your under salary cap pay like one point six million so denver. They they need to stick with him. I like monte morris allot but what does that mean with. rj hampton. going forward. Definitely meet to me it means. Pj josiah's promptly gone. You got got torrey. Craig that one. Now he's he's an interesting case here he's up but i believe they are working something out to keep him. They extended quality extended. The qualifying offer to him. Was that monday. That was the big news. Then there is singer. The nuggets issued craig's his two point five million qualifying offer. A league source confirmed now. That cannot hit the books until later this week or later. Tomorrow i suppose But that locks him up no kind of they can match any offer. That craig may receive so craig will have the opportunity to to seek another team but denver can match so if they say. Hey two point five anybody's going much over that then we'll be careful here so i don't mind craig i mean he's he averaged five point four points per game three rebounds. He's a decent defensive guy. Parameter defense is pretty good. I go live without him. I suppose could go with or without him on this one. But i mean how what. Where does he make sense when barton is back. Because you're gonna go michael porter. Jr. start right. Murray harris porter grant joker okay morris as a backup will. Barton is a backup guard Or he could be a backup. Small forward barton can play both positions there. Then where does that. Leave your new guys. Are hampton zeke. Are they guys are going to get meaningful minutes right off the bat will because you're not gonna play jokers play as many minutes. Murray's not gonna play as many minutes the first ten games. You're going to see these guys a lot. You're going to get to learn about is noble in that mix. So i don't know if craig makes sense. Maybe the nuggets are more just protecting themselves if they want to match anybody if anything get him for cheap but and then again monte morris he's going to he's going to be a backup guard point guard you can. You can play both of them in at the same time we saw murray morris on the on the court at the same time is it a little crowded and this isn't even talking about player or sap. Is it a little bit crowded right now. You know you get your guard. A hampton does that mean. You might be done with monte morris again for the money you shouldn't be but you're not going to leave him as hampton grows You're not going to leave morris on the bench down the road or maybe you just ride this hour. And then you're really hoping that. Rj hampton is a piece next season. I invented sex line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine. Six denver has some big decisions to make though. I thought it was interesting. The chris tells us yesterday. That chris dempsey. We're going to know a lot. About what the nuggets might do. Based on this draft. Well what do we know. They drafted a power forward. Th i gotta think that seals mason plumlee fate. So mason plumlee is done. They're not going to resign him. Millsap is it an either or if grant doesn't re-signed with you then design millsap for one more year so you can get him for a few mil. You're not going thirty point five. I'll tell you that. And then again wills zeke nashashibi a guy that comes in early to get meaningful mets. I think so out of necessity. Because you're not gonna play your typical starters maybe porter your play a lot but these guys just got done not long ago. So they're going to. I don't think they're going to go all load management on us here but i could definitely see joker going down significantly minutes right off the top. Probably the same for joma nineteen minutes after the hour. What do you guys think. oh grade. The number twenty two draft pick of ignasi of university of arizona. Power forward their abc is. Nobody's giving them an f. So far that's good one organics in eaton is your organics. Recycling center they recycled grass leaves chitwood sawdust brush limb saad and soil and log and tree trunks. That's a one organics. Our numbers nine. Seven four five four thirty four ninety two twenty minutes after the hour Yeah no see issue game no. Cu game that's not happening. There will be a broncos game though. Colefax is drew. Lock going to get the start. He's banged up. Is this an opportunity to put bread ripping and see what has no more of a challenge. That would be a challenge for him. It's not the jets. Dolphins are playing good football. It's the whole show powered by energy will bareback thursday night. Football is on tonight to miss opening kickoff. All you drive home. Keep here on motoring. Colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. Dan patrick the whole show in colin coward on northern colorado's voice. Thirteen ten kfi k. Cato june all pro linebacker super bowl champion. You're listening to a thirteen ten. Kfi k well going back through the bullet points of. Why see you see as you will not happen for the pac. They've they are willing to make an amendment. Believe it or not to the first thing they said that pac twelve would never play a non conference game this season. They said yeah. We'll we'll work with you But the the non conference opponent must adhere to pack twelve testing protocols which from everything. I'm hearing mountain. West checks out just like the pac twelve game must be a home game for pac twelve team. I would imagine ceus. She was told they were going to go to boulder. And i and i'm guessing ceus you said no. That's that's where it goes. So i mean if you are mad at the buffs and we'll be mad at the pac twelve for not having this game. Well that's what they're saying that they're protecting their their teams in their conference. If you're gonna go non conference and again pac twelve power five like it or not telcos They said no. You got to have it as a home game knowing that they were supposed to have a home game saturday. Plus there supposed to play you at home this year. So i mean i could see why you said you know what no i mean. That's not that's not fair. let's not do it. Yeah so much work and you're going to go beat anyway so i think that it makes sense to me. It does first advantage text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. We're probably going to get more about this right. Probably going to hear more about what went down. Kelly said kelly lyles told us earlier. That joe parker didn't come out talk about anything like this. You did hear rick. George in a statement. The story is now up. Thirteen ten dot com and the whole show dot com saying that. Hey even though. The pac twelve is making some amendments to play non-conference. We're not gonna do it. Just doesn't work out bomber. It really really is disappointing and the whole wyoming things kind of disappointing but i kind of get it at the same time. I event text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six drew lock in practice today and from videos and footage that i've seen he looks okay but he's hurt still. Is this not an opportunity to just say you know what drew take the weekend to canada. Get your mind right here. You have for the first time and you're young career faced some true adversity which can be good for him if you if you are trying to look at the glass half full so to speak and not give up on the guy. Maybe it's good for him to take take his lumps the last few weeks because he not looking good. He's he's regressing. He's looking worse every week. Take the week off. See what you have. And br rippin. I thought rippin was going to be a fourth fifth round. Pick he wasn't he was he was undrafted but there that means that there was potential. I mean they go look at any of the mock drafts from two years ago find. Vine ripen search him. A lot of people had him going in the draft. He was a solid quarterback for the boise state broncos for a very respectable respectable non power five team. So i think you know. We're all spending a lot of time talking about drew lock colfax if brett rippin gets the start against the miami dolphins team. That's playing fantastic defensively to as making the right decisions. They're looking pretty good. You go see what happen has and maybe you feel. You feel a little bit better about your quarterback situation. You don't have to go out and try to get somebody else next season. I know carson wentz. His name keeps coming up. Matt ryan's name keeps coming up all these other free agent guys but i you might have said it from the beginning. I i wanna denver to draft. But i did remember that they didn't they got him as a free agent as an undrafted guy but john elway. Is it too busy to proud for that. He doesn't want to admit that it wasn't his guy. I mean he signed him but in draft that is that is a big difference and when you draft you pay him more plus was on your board. Maybe he was but he was on nobody else's board apparently so they they let him go and found him later is it that far fetched to say why not let him play this weekend. And y- protect two things. You protect your lock for a week. You give them a week to just kind of settle down. Let slow things down again. You screwed up by throwing way too much at him this season. I don't like this coaching situation. Some people are blaming it on the players. I heard a thing today saying Top three broncos players if you had to say tough with a tough thing. wouldn't you say jerry jeudy because courtland sutton is not play. Justin simmons on defense maybe corinne phillip lindsay. Most agreed that i was to and watching today. That phillip lindsay was the top a top three player for for the broncos. Okay wasn't that coaching. your top. Three player had four carries so coaching spat thirty one minutes after the hour. Here comes dixon. Nuts your family is gone on. I of text line three one nine nine six. He is a malone favorite. And you don't know what you have in the rookie yet. Millsaps should be gone. Wouldn't mind seeing them. Keep plumlee for depth okay. Dixon thrown out his depth chart joker murray barton mpg grant. So you're starting barton over harris or you saying bye-bye to harris got harris on the bench. So you'd put barton in the starting lineup over gary harris. You'd go a little bit bigger that to guard. i don't know they started harris. Even when barton was healthy. I don't see them changing that. I see barton coming off the bench you got monte morris. Plumlee torrey craig. Pj dosier you think they're gonna they're gonna work with dosier since they got rj hampton. I you know. I don't see it but you know who knows. Stranger things have happened. I i suppose i think they moved they. They traded to get this guy. They wanted him. So i mean i could see him playing as soon as as soon as the season especially when the first ten games are so We're gonna learn a lot about this this the roster because you're going to rest guys for a little bit and you're going to have as many minutes so you're saying plumlee sticks with them grant signs with them. They let millsap go. You're saying they they do match craig's offer. If craig gets an offer they keep torrey craig They re sign. Pj does they got bowl bowl. They got two rookies. And you've got harris on the bench. You're right we don't know what we have in the rookies. But i could see zeke getting meaningful minutes early. Maybe more like an mp mpg type role early where he gets in a few times and then he kind of fizzles. We don't see him for awhile again. That's that is a big ask. I get where you're coming from with plumlee though but if it were the same price if money was no i if money wasn't the issue plumlee or bill set. Would you rather have on your pinch. I rather have mill. Sad because of the scoring i know malone likes plumlee but i think i saw enough in the playoffs. He wasn't that good of a defender to make up for his just absolute lack of anything offensive. So i would go with millsaps over plumbing if money's not really an issue and maybe it won't be because again. Both guys were kind of overpaid mill. Plumlee was doing fourteen million. Obviously millsap was between thirty million. I would imagine you're going to get those guys way down millsaps you could probably get way way way is even ten. He's got to be a fourteen million guy. Plays probably still around there. I would go millsap on that side. I don't see them re-signing. Pj dosier because of the fact that they got rj hampton Thirty four minutes after the hour. Let's get the latest. Oh before we do that. Colfax i got to tell you about one of our great sponsors for before we load up thursday night special Seal mortgage go to their website. My special mortgage dot com. 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It's going to be special than i read the biggest game of the week. This one actually might be the biggest game you guys seattle and arizona. You have big developed division battle going on here in the nfc west. Now it's tight. Man i mean. Arizona is number is leading the race six three but they're tied with los angeles and seattle all of them sitting at six and three. San francisco's still not dead in the water necessarily probably will fall out that way. But they're foreign six. This this one is going to be interesting. of course. arizona won the last time round. And this is when you saw just a lot of points. Thirty seven to thirty four russell. Wilson threw three touchdowns in that game but he threw three interceptions and that was when he said. Oh wait a second here. Is he the mvp or is it patrick. Mahomes well don't look now cuyler. Murray is emerging in trending. I guess is the word as maybe a guy that could be considered an mvp. Now he's not going to win it over over mahomes. But i mean he's playing really well extremely well any so much fun to watch. Of course his his legend grew after the hail. Mary bomb last week to the audrey hopkins so he keeps growing. He's put up big big numbers. So these are you have great. Great quarterback russell wilson. I can't believe he's never had an mvp before he's one of the best players in the league for sure but he has had a couple of bad games here arizona's feeling great about themselves when you win a game like that hill merryman. You feel like you're you're playing with house money. Seattle has lost three out of the last four games seattle. I mean they were rock and roll in for a long time until they lost arizona perhaps exposing some weaknesses. This is a huge division game. Seattle has to have it if they want to really try to take hold of that division man. This was a tough one went back and forth on this a lot. The sea hawks are favored by three is at home. I like seattle. Hold on and cover a dog. It's called literally put russell here. Yes the typical pouring kessler brett laws. Marvin your cousin marvin cockbain and you know that. Newsouth looking. Well listen to this. Founded in seattle. Is mr mr mr unless you gotta be unlimited knows and so when people ask you. What's your thinking about or what you wanna do in life or where you wanna go off ms. I let sacked mr lamb. it is. i'm jay russell. Nobody knows what you mean. What was that video even about mr unlimited bringing tonight. I don't care what your video means man. You are winning tonight. I see seattle dropping three in a row again. Three at last four. I know their defense is in great. We've talked about that terrible against the past. They were better last week. Offense just didn't show up so the defense was much better than they were against buffalo. Wow they were awful against the bills. But you're going to need the best from russell wilson tonight and andy kaye. Metcalf the freak of nature that is decay metcalf. No man no headstart is is too much for for metcalf to To avoid he's gonna take you down no matter. What forty five receptions for metcalf eight hundred sixteen yards eight touchdowns tyler lockett on the side of him. Fifty eight receptions. Six hundred eighty one yards and seven touchdowns so wilson has to get it right again. If if the mvp thing if he still wants to have any shot he's got to turn it around now and has to be damn near perfect the rest of the way because mahomes is again that touchdown to interception ratio. The homes of dealing with is still the most impressive stat. I've ever seen twenty five touchdowns for homes and two one interception russell. Wilson is thrown ten twenty eight touchdowns. Ten interceptions kyla murray. Though i mean he's climbing up there his numbers he's thrown for twenty three hundred yards seventeen touchdowns in those options. Were early in the season. But i mean what he can do on the ground is another thing too. People say though he and russell kind of similar in that murray is a i mean he absolutely changes things. He's closer lamar. Then he is russell wilson type guy but this game should be great. I events text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. I love the rain and all that stuff man. That was good. It was good. Segel's in the background. Yeah kind of hard to hear that quacking. Sound nirvana soundgarden. They weren't they found chris. Cornell's like a god was god and in seattle. Yeah statues up and everything. So and then there's the simpsons episode where they kind of made fun of the oakridge started the grunge scene. Yeah so that's i was homer in there. How did it get started dude that we're just really really down because depressed from all the rain. The rain and i think just eighty s music in general is pretty terrible eighties. I was watching speaking of pass stuff. I'm watching all the nba guys in the draft. They're all born in two thousand two thousand one. It's pretty depressing. They don't know what any of our stuff was from the nineties. Doing the show him a floppy disk. No clue seriously no idea. They showed him a vcr tape. I think they didn't know that A picture of in sync didn't happen that what was it. What was beyond say's band. She had a band destiny's child. How did they recognize me say recognized. Justin timberlake didn't know who in 'cause they actually one of them. I think it was a. I think it was ball. He said lamelo said he thought it was the beatles in sync because the beatles. This is why you got to appreciate ignasi man. I mean he likes he likes old stuff. The only followed a lot of great bands back in the day. These guys man. That was depressing for me. I felt like i was ninety five years old. I can't remember there's a few things on there like a tape recorder Few different things and they're like no clue no idea by two thousand. I mean technology was crazy by that time. The internet was already there in full. Swing on full swing doni. I looked at a picture from an old a picture of a. It was on social media of a guy in a catalog hidden camera video. The home video camera shoulder had his headphones. His recorder has vcr all that stuff. And it's like now. That is your phone all right there for you. Man forty eight minutes. After the hour. The thursday night specialists spoken. We gotta get back over five hundred. I got knocked back last week. That was unfair unfortunate. But i'm getting back over five hundred tonight. I'm pretty confident that the whole show powered by pd energy. We'll wrap up the show and the other side. Yes it's a hardy. Northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi k block party wednesdays from four to ten pm. It's partly and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. The block party wednesdays from four ten pm his niko medved the men's basketball coach of the colorado state rams. You're listening to the hall show thirteen ten. Kfi seven minutes till top of the hour. Almost done here on a thursday forget. We'll have thursday night football for you here on kfi k. Tonight should be a great one seattle and arizona. Going congratulations to tyler bay. By the way they will join the dallas mavericks after getting selected number. Thirty six in the two thousand twenty draft philly made the pick but it's one of those According to espn the seventy sixers are sending. Josh urged. richardson and bay to the mavericks. For seth curry not steph. Curry dollar was great. I mean he's a he becomes a six buffalo's player selected in the nba draft during tad boils tenure in boulder joining alec. Burks andre roberson. Spencer dinwiddie derek. Whyte and george king well at another name to that list. Next year and mckinley right. He is the thirty fifth. Cu player drafted so. Congratulations to tyler. man. I kinda wanted to see him in a denver nuggets uniform but didn't work out that way. All right colefax. Here's what we learned today. We're learned this yesterday issue. Unlv don't use the word cancelled. They're just not playing this weekend. That doesn't necessarily mean it's cancelled now. see us not playing for my my information. They're not playing this weekend. The pac twelve was going to make an exception foresee. Unc issue a non conference game But a couple of rules that She would have had to follow. One of them was to have to come to boulder. They would have had to play it on a road game and apparently she was not willing to do that. The wyoming games not happening either. We are told the wyoming was reaching out. Only make sense to i mean. Did they wanna play that game. I'm not sure maybe maybe not. They said that they tried to reach out and get a game going and nobody wanted to play them this weekend. So i know it's so sad. Sounds like you know recess man. Nobody wants to play us. So no no no colorado state game. No colorado game basketball starts next week though college basketball. Cu buffs wednesday. We get Unc bears action as well. So i'm so excited for basketball season way. We'll be back at it on a friday for a busy busy busy. Football variety good night northern colorado.

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April 7  Hour 2  Nuggets Are On Fire Still: Is Grant Regretting Leaving for Detroit?

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April 7 Hour 2 Nuggets Are On Fire Still: Is Grant Regretting Leaving for Detroit?

"Nuggets walked up on the pistons. Last night one hundred and thirty four to one hundred and nineteen not exactly the best defensive performance in the history of the world but nonetheless the nuggets won this game and covered the spread. I saw thirteen minutes. Stay away from that bad boy but they say covered it one thirty four man just lighting it up and this regulation to i mean fourth. Fourth quarter just coasted. Which you don't wanna see but denver had this one pretty much figured out. They were down like thirteen eight at one point in the first and then after that they just went right past them joker with a beautiful performance. Twenty seven points. Eleven assists eight rebounds. Only one turnover know jamal. Murray in this one had some knee issues and he might be out tonight. They play the spurs michael porter. Jr. is just continues to get better and better. I mean this guy jokers the mvp. But i mean porter has been on a roller coaster. That roller coaster is kind of turning into like a steady trajectory upwards trajectory. Now it's not. We're not going up and down not having this into jets and roller rollercoaster comparison. Colfax that's where we're going with stuff. I'll get But it's it's now. It's his defenses there. He's he's staying focused on what he's supposed to do on the defensive side of the ball. Offensively is making the right decisions. He's creating the proper spacing that this team needs in order for joker to flourish. I thought it was a great game. Offensively but just ask coach malone what he thought here. Here's his full thoughts on last night's game where they just absolutely worked the pistons. We got the win. Our offense up played a high level. Our defense was poor. So yeah how is the approaches. All right can be better known to defend a hell of a lot better tomorrow night. Iran one hundred nineteen points on fifty four from the field and fifteen may threes of the good things war. We have rebounded and by fourteen. We have thirty six assists So offensively great night defensively we just trade traded baskets all night long. I like that first part too. I mean this isn't cell layer coats that just one is thirty second game this season to climb up now. They're in fourth place. I love the beginning of this response. We got the win from now on every w the nuggets get. We're we're we're playing that we got the win. I think it's a good sign. You're not happy you the orlando magic game. You had to come back a terrible team. You brought it early against detroit. But then at the end he just kinda coasted. You just kind of took it easy there in the in the second half of that fourth quarter. How about jeremy grants to this decision. I mean it was cool. It was kind of like the feel. Good story tour for the nuggets. The last week they go play orlando they get a c. gary again and rj camped in. And it's all good. They play detroit last night. And it's mason plumlee. Jeremy grants laughing. Do you think grant regrets his decision now again. You know denver. Basically offered him the same thing. That detroit did And really a a championship caliber team. But jeremy grant shows because of i guess you call them social social justice. I don't. I'm not sure type issues because of you know. They're they're detroit. Head coach is a black man and wanting to play for a black head coach. That's well-documented do you think. Jeremy grants looks back and goes. Wow i'm on a fifteen win team. I am a great player on one of the worst teams in the nba. When he could have been. I mean i think that if jeremy grads plan for the nuggets they probably don't make that move to get aaron. Gordon probably don't think again. This was a perfect move for denver. But i don't know that they do this if they have jeremy grand. Because now you really star studded In grants grits and exceptional player. He's doing great. But aaron gordon fits this team even better than grant so here. We go again. Tim conley calvin booth this move. Although questionable throughout the course of the season because jamaica green wasn't really living up to. Okay the hype that he was supposed to be the replacement for jeremy grant. That wasn't really working. So denver finds a way to get that real replacement and brings in aaron gordon and it has been a beautiful beautiful pickup for the nuggets. Grant has to be wondering. I mean again. I know a lot of you out. There would say they're big things at play for. Jeremy grant other than playing on a championship caliber team. But i mean this is a sport still. I think and this is what it's all about. That's what it's all about trying to you. Get your money which he would have got the same amount with denver. Only got a shot to win a title with the nuggets. So i i would be frustrated if i was jeremy grant. Mason plumlee is one of the better players on that team right now. that's crazy. He's one of the better players. Before the pistons funny team like dunk right off the gate there or like whatever. It was like a quick lab really early on. And then your your mind goes to his plumlee plumlee stuff and you're like i don't miss him as much scorn over there like it. Yeah no i've plummer listen malone loved plumbing. He loved grant to but plumbing he plummeted. Was the guys like about ten more of them. I'd be doing good plumbing at four points in this one. So that beautiful dunk was it was just about it Granted thirty points twenty nine points. He is killing it. he's absolutely killing it but they have won fifteen basketball games. The nuggets have now won thirty. Two joker went to the free. Throw line twice last night porter at all denver went to the free. Throw line nine times nine times really. Good percentage though. Gordon was four for four barton. One for one joker one for two. Isn't that nuts. Dosier went to the line twice. He was two for two five nuggets. Four nuggets went to the free throw line last night. One two three four five six seven eight nine pistons went to the free. Throw line twenty times. That's absurd. it's crazy to me Porter stat line twenty five points seven boards and again. All this was without jamal. Murray and the nuggets cover that's spread porter is coming into his own colefax and it's awesome to see this and here's michael porter jr. talking about playing and and getting better but also playing with nicole yokich all definitely big. I've been proved offense Go to improve every day. So deputy done that in the yokich. Just these amazing play me and him have really learned how to play alongside each other in. It's been fun to with him. But he's an amazing player. One of the best. I've ever seen so i mean it's true and porter. I think is starting to porter's realizing his life can get pretty easy. There was a play last night. It took me back to that. Strange ending against washington. Puerto didn't cut to the basket and murray pass it falko and they lost like one of their only losses in the last twenty games last night. Believe fox news at the top of that maybe was morris at the top of the key to bringing the ball down cuts to the free throw line and before that pass. Hits joker porter is on the left corner up on the left. Free throw line extended almost out on the three point line before he sees the ball. Go in jokers hands. He's already cutting to the basket. Ball hits jokers hands joker sees out of his peripheral porter's cutting to the basket and just does a little law over his shoulder to port for a wide open layup. That is the kind of thing. I don't know if gordon's helped with porter's development there or they're really just starting to click but it's not just cutting when joker has the ball. It's your chest. It's a chess move. He saw the move before the move he saw the past coming to joker and goes all right as soon as jokers gets that ball. He's going to be looking. And i've got an opening. I've gotta step on my defender. So i'm going to the hoop that stuff you weren't seeing a month ago and now you're seeing the no and i know it's basketball five and five. You think how complex playbook really be pretty damn pretty damn because of all the tools that you're starting to see this team open up with. I mean i like the little two and a half man game. And what i mean by that is when you have joker pop up to the free throw line and then you have your you have your your ball handler over. Your point guard is is up at the top of the key and they give the ball to joker and your point guards either gonna cut straight down to the basket. He's going to get the hell out of the way or he's going to roll over the to create another pick for gordon or porter to come at the top of the key now and what you're doing is you're creating creating chaos there. You're you're putting bodies on people and then you're suddenly creating mismatches. That's what basketball is when it's at its finest is creating the mismatch. How do you get this. Big man off of joker. How do you get this straw. This quick guard off of murray. How do you get this. Excellent forward off porter you're going to create chaos in there because when the ball goes the joker everybody freaks out defensively. It is really cool to see how they're developing these plays and even that play was a domino. Tie play morris at the top of the key to joke at the free throw. Line porter's already cutting from the free throw line extended to the hoop before that there was a specific play joker at the free throw line. It's it's and this was the other night. I should say jamal. Murray is in the game. Quick pass to joker murray cuts to the basket no opening there so he cuts away and he's he's out of the play now. But then you have have gordon coming in and basically doing the same thing. You're just running twice in a row with two different players. And then joker hits gordon on the second time through. That's just amazing. To see how easy it looks at times offensively but as mike malone about the defense it about this winning does forums response. We got the win. I think it's a championship mentality. Right there you just beat a team hundred thirty four tonight. One hundred nineteen but it's not good enough and it's not defeat defensively. It's not good enough. He said chris maybe no referee love for the nuggets because they know the nuggets will kick bug keeps the game interesting conspiracy. I know i. I don't know what it is but something's off. I don't know if the referees are annoyed by nicole yokich joker does complained to the refs. 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And you're listening to the whole. Show thirteen ten ks k twenty four minutes after the hour. Welcome back to the show. It is the whole show powered by the energy. We are live from the auto collision specialist studios and a couple of notes. Here i wanted to get to top twenty five under twenty five. Espn did did a kind of a ranking system for the top nba top players under the age of twenty five. Colefax would guess said jamal. Murray and michael porter jr. are both under twenty five. I think puertas twenty two Where do you think they landed in this top. Twenty five under twenty five. Gimme a wild shot in the dark. I mean i don't sound stupid. But did they make the list. They made the list okay. They did make the list. Yeah but i'm going to have around twenty to twenty five range so they they were a little more generous than that. They put jamal thirteen. Okay porter at fourteen. O luca danni says number one number two that makes sense lamelo ball number three Donovan mitchell over. I mean they never should've traded for get cold fat. I love that of nuggets fans. That do that a day. Where there dr mitchell pick was already gone man on his already. There's already owned it for fourteen teams before them. Could've taken of devon booker over jamal. Okay and listen donovan. mitchell more consistent than all at jamal's best though he's should be number three on this list porter's fourteen right behind jamal though. I wonder how that makes. Always right at murrayfield. Oh man well. Who's got the bigger ceiling at this point. We might be at the best for jamal. Which hey i mean. The thought bad. Some of his games are amazing. Some of them were there. But you didn't you detroit a bad team nuggets. Didn't miss a beat without jamal murray. Listen i'm not trying to knock him. I actually tweeted. He should be way farther up on. This list is much crap as i give him. I still believe that at his best he should be way way up. Further up on this list now this was a compiled kind of average by individual rankings from three espn nba analyst. Bobby marks kevin. Pelton and mike schmidts. It's kind of interesting when you break this all down. And where they're sitting you got like brandon. Ingram is over jamal. Ben simmons over. I go jamal top five in. That's maybe that's too generous but his best days. Yeah he's there on jamal's best days. He's right there with luca. Honestly if i got jamal murray best the blue arrow version of jamal murray. We'll just call him that. I take him over luca. People think that's crazy but because we know jamal's average can be average to if i were to pick today. Yeah i'm taking luke. Luke is going to bring it every night. If jamal doesn't bring it. Sometimes he's a very average put basketball player. Someone told me that that's me describing everybody in the league by the way. No it's not look at us and do that. Joker doesn't do that. He brings it every single night. And you know who else is starting to bring it. Every single night is michael porter. Jr. the days of saying l. Michael where was he tonight. I mean they're going away. You gotta you gotta mega star right there. We saw it athletically. I mean even we said it. Last year's he scores just looked so easy like he doesn't even try. And that's that's how it looks still of on offense defensively. We said it if he could just be even slightly even slightly below average. This player is gonna be ridiculously good. Look at his last few games. Just just i mean even though let's go like the last six games point look at these point totals colefax go way back man. I mean since march fifteenth. Let me just rifle role. These off here says march fifteenth. Twenty points twenty eight nineteen seventeen eighteen. Nineteen twenty five fifteen twenty seven twenty twenty one twenty five. I mean he's twenty two. He's still not the number two weapon on this team. It's still jamal murray. But he's getting that much production. Oh and by the way. Those other things i talk about the other stats since march fifteenth. Eight thirteen six nine. Seven eight five ten twelve four twelve seven. Those are big numbers. Are they superstar numbers. Are they all star numbers. No these are not the numbers that jamal murray was putting up though his second year in the league. You have an incredible talent. You have an incredible big three right now. And then you add in aaron gordon and i don't know what do you want to call it. A big four tweeted this ingest. The nuggets are undefeated in the gary clark era. Gary clark was thrown in that aaron gordon trade. Their their undefeated. Since gordon's been on this team. Defensively that was their worst night defensively. I think that's the nba for you. Sometimes sometimes you see teams when they score with such ease and it's just clicking like that it's really hard to go back and play defense. I know that's a stupid excuse but you were just you. Were destroying them. Offensively i mean it felt like every time down floor. Magic was about to happen. It was it was good and again. You have a lot of talent on this team. Will it be good enough. Will it be good enough. I don't know humble. Gary this is interesting. Yokich has a very unusual style. Play for a big man. Here's an officiated. Well because the rafts like us don't really have with a guy like that will definitely get better with time. That's a pretty damn good point. He does play a lot. You know james harden when he goes to the ren he knows how to work his is frame into a into a defender. He knows how to get contact. Joker does not play this game to get contact. He plays this game to score. He is going to the rim guys are trying to defend him by any means necessary and it is kind of. I won't say goofy. It's just a strange style. That little serbian shuffle. That he does we. There's a lot of really unique things he was. There's one time hit. Looks like he's trying to underpass it to jordan or puerto junior jordan freudian slip there. Maybe he's trying to like underhand pass and he loses it and then he just like tips at four times and then just tips it up in the air and it goes to the basket scott. How how does that even happen. But joe how many times jokers do weird things like. he'll just do this spin. It's very slow and then suddenly p- he's already at the basket. He dunks it. Nobody knows what happened is very interesting a guard and maybe that that could be a positive a positive way of thinking about jokers. Not getting the foul called i. It's it's an interesting take greenacres. Says you'd think because yokich plays in slow motion thrifts will be able to see the fouls more clearly but then again. Maybe because he's playing so slow. It doesn't look malicious. There was a call the other day that i thought reverse of that. I thought he got hit in the face by the way he shot the ball because his neck was his head was so far back and he makes it. I thought he must have got hit in the face and then slow motion and it wasn't he just has such interesting style of play that i wonder if that is the problem. Did you see the refugee today. Against orlando joker runs up to him to complain about a non call. The ref like flinches. He like a little god. Eric sorry sorry big man. They didn't get mad at him. But joker just like approach. Like are you kidding. Ross the guy like slapped. Turn around like you know. He's pissed at first he gets slapped on the army turns around jokers i what. What was that about man. Buddy what did you do. What did you do that partner soda. been anybody else. It'd be like a sort of throw down but instead it's like. Hey man that kinda hurt jokers gaining the respect. He is starting to. I do think that it is straight. That's those are both great points from green acres and humble gary first advantage text line nine seven four seven eight thirteen o one. Nine seven four Four seventy three power play. Sports poll question of the day. Who'd rather see a court. Starting quarterback next year drew lock garment shoe. Nick foles teddy bridgewater or two thousand and twenty one draft. Pick wanted to get more to this story to the top twenty five predictions. We talked about this yesterday and man. This is pretty big time for for colorado state. Isn't it. I mean jeff. Who was this who puts out of. Espn i had. I had the name written down. Oh jeff brazelle put it out ok. His his prediction is way too early prediction for top. Twenty five. I talked about this a bit yesterday. But he has the colorado state rams at twenty one behind teams like oregon kentucky north carolina michigan all these teams arizona. Well be interesting to see what Arizona does now that their head coach Syracuse these duke. So come make making the bounceback. Colorado state gets mad respect. How it's one of those things. It's kind of like watching trevor story. Colfax every great thing story. Does i just go. Yeah but he's not going to be here long. I'm doing that with. Niko medved and i just want to i. I'm pretty good relationship with coach. Medved i really do. I just want to shoot them at late night tax. Hey don't don't don't ever leave man. But i feel that cross the line. Don't you think that would be like little too creepy. Maybe a whole against rams fans can start tweet net hashtag. don't leave. I mean come. On as much as i. I'd love for the sonny lubick thing to happen for niko medved. I don't know does it happen. Greenacres one of our diehard rams fans. Do you really think nicos going to stick around. He loves fort collins. That enough is enough if you believe hard enough. That's what they said about. Jim mcelwain to their. Although he didn't have the history i with colorado state medved does seem kind of like like his characteristic like his mannerisms. Look the guy kind of guy he is. I totally see. It makes sense for him to say i could. I wanna make great money here. It's a very fort collins. Small compared to a lot of these big names. We're talking about and you know the minnesota job scared me but that's all well done now. Nobody's going there. I just and then you want to be careful too. I mean look what happened with mcelwain. He leaves and goes to florida for greener pastures. And it doesn't work out there and you know it's been hard for him to bounce back to get to that status again and again. This is basketball. We're talking about football. All right ceus issue is a stepping-stone job. There is no doubt about it. Unc is a stepping stone to the steppingstone job. But when you talk about basketball for the most part everybody's got a shot. I mean you really realistically have a shot. Look at all the upsets that happened. Look at all these teams that you don't talk about on a regular basis that were going to this. I mean could the biggest dreams see issue. Could they really be to win a national championship. I probably know but certainly get to a sweet sixteen see. She made it to the sweet sixteen. You know huge would be. But then again i mean nobody. Brill predicted baylor. Shopping zog alike. That i mean it was a four for half point favorite. Look look look what has happened there. Small conference small school and doing great things i mean. They made history even though they didn't complete and win the title they made history. It's a phenomenal program. It's always going dancing. So could coach medved create something like that. I i hope so first off personally. He's great for the show. I mean i interview a lot of coaches on the show. Colfax i he's he's i tried to be to buy it because they're all really good but he's definitely one of my favorites. I mean you love having him on. He's a good dude. The nicest of guys he is now. I gave him on the air. One time alike. Dude you're the nicest guy in the world and don't well my players don't think so but he can. He can flip the switch to which is important which is extremely important but why is players like and they respect him. They can have that that fear but also he's. He's a great guy. You know two years ago when we gotta go to like their first practice and they were doing pictures an awesome. He's messing with guys. They love that he's a tremendous coach. You have a gym colorado state. You should be tweeting at him at niko medved every day saying hey just a a quick thinking of you coach just a quick quick Hey man you're awesome twenty one though. I don't know i. I tweeted last year. One of our questions was does this. Colorado team have You know the chance of being the greatest rams team in history as far as basketball goes and no. They didn't achieve that goal this year. They are one of the great teams would say next year might have that might the guy or might have that team that group you know they have a few things that they need to get better and they kinda struggled Depending on the games they're the best offense in conference play but they struggled when they struggled on that side of the floor. You know defensively. Maybe just couldn't pick it up when they needed to but they had some great moments defensively too. I just kind of a weird end for them. I would say. But hey i don't know about top twenty five but i definitely think the group of kendall more isaiah stevens adam thistle would and of course david roddy james. Moore's who i think might make take it. He needs to take another step next year for sure. Forty minutes after the hour. Got to take a short break. When we come back we'll talk about the rockies. I know talk about it. We gotta hit the long long game just to end in a loss first. Let's get the latest on a local sports flash here mornings with gail weekdays. Six to nine and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi k everybody. This is dalton reisner to nineteen draft prospect out of wiggins colorado and. You're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten ks k more national recognition for colorado state here. Espn put out there. Most explosive college football players of twenty twenty one. And they have scariest pass rushers. Scott patchen is that right number. One the nation's scariest pass rusher is scott patch for the colorado state. Rams and kelly told us earlier. Kelly lyle who will talk tomorrow sedate. The thinks this defensive line could be the best in the conference. Maybe one of the top defensive line units in all of college football at scott patching getting espn's most explosive college football player of twenty twenty one kind of watchlist s. I don't know. I think it's just a fun thing and of course trae mcbride number three as most explosive tight end. So you got some studs. Their see issue has some studs and both of these guys even though they're not necessarily adagios guys but they both are committed to adagio. These are the kind of guys he wants. The this is how he wants to build his program. Tough knows defensive. Lineman monster is explosive scary. pass rushers tight in game. this is going to be lookout. Mcbride's probably gonna have an even better year next year. you know. he's he's probably gonna he might even break some records records. Maybe some receiving records. Because i do think see issue you talk about wide receiver you. Maybe they drift away from that a little bit. Although dante rights still there But it's going to be run run and utilize the tight end. And that's going to be you know that that's going to be some todd dodson tale. That's going to be the best friend getting the football to monster tight ends colorado state getting more More national recognition. There forty seven minutes after the hour gonna take short break when we come back. We'll wrap up the show. We'll get bud blacks thoughts on her mom marquez and his performance and really just how this team has to be overall no longer in that mode of relying on one or two guys this has to be a spread out team and maybe they just don't have the weapons as we've all been talking about for awhile it. It's going to be a long season. Forty seven minutes after the hour. We'll take a short break. It's the whole show powered by. Pcc energy live from the auto collision specialist dubious. You're listening to the hall's show powered by pd energy and thirteen ten kfi k. Brady will be back after the break. It's up party. Northern colorado's force thirteen ten kfi k. The block party wednesdays from four to ten pm. This is mark johnson voice for the colorado buffaloes. And you're listening to the whole show with my buddy brady ho on thirteen ten. Kfi eight minutes tells up our welcome back to the whole show powered by energy rockies. Now one in four on the season losing to the diamondbacks who are probably going to be a bad team as well. This was a game that was delayed by rain. And then we go to extra innings was also a hell of a game When when you look at what. Ryan mcmahon did ryan mcmahon was just a monster hit three home runs solo shot early and then just didn't stop but the rockies lose ten to eight and thirteen. Here's bud black. I'll tell you what marquez needed. A bounceback type game he went. Six innings started to fall apart in that in that sixth inning. But for the most part looked much better had a much better control than what we saw an opening day. Here's black marquez. For sure to follow the law city events. Down with zones a factor. I thought this really well. He was efficient in getting the first force. It's countless down. You know he did sort of the opposite of what he did is opening day. Start and i think that they can build around him. I suppose but when we talk about building around this rockies team to do right now just just kind of coast and try hard. Here's bud black on really how this team needs to be. The can't really rely on. Just trevor story alone. They're they're gonna have to get the right. Mcmahon's and the tacoma top is really rolling guys in the lineup deployed their capabilities over the long haul for us to be the offense who want to be tough for a travel schalken on. You're like you mentioned but see matt salmon and his big on you know couple productive bats in tampa's a little bit light tonight you don't on a given night for us to score runs and be davidge is number guys. Having a successful successful weeks nice runs at bats rely on trevor in shock and potentially everybody's got contribute. If they have the group to do that. I just don't know if they do tough loss for the rockies the going at it again tonight against the diamondbacks that will be on thirteen ten. Kfi coverage starts around six o'clock with the first pitch at six forty. So we'll have about half of our k f k block party that we put together for you and then we'll jump over to this game we'll see if If the rocks can bounce back. I'm not going to do this every day. Don't worry we're not gonna go delve too deeply into the rockies unless they give us a reason to and other than the all star game not a lot to talk about with the colorado rockies. That's going to do it for us. It will be. We'll get to a big thursday tomorrow. Thursday night special killed at last week undefeated in the month of of what does it april. There we go. We look to keep that going on another big thursday nuggets tonight against the spurs on a back to back so we will see if the if the mile high crew can keep it going good night northern colorado.

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October 15  Hour 2  Nuggets Needs Heading Forward | Drew Lock Evaluation

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October 15 Hour 2 Nuggets Needs Heading Forward | Drew Lock Evaluation

"Second and final hour of this Thursday rolling on notice and that special today. Can we could've could've done. Baseball could have done something like I think the dodgers are going to. The dodgers were nuts. Was it fifteen to fifteenth three yesterday. They start at six tonight I could have gone there but. decided. I decided we'll just what? Colfax will take some much needed time off. Well. No. In my estimation, you already made your take on Tuesday. Titans fake it Did Yeah, and so you're you're already on the record books. A lot of Hogan's will contest that because they didn't hear me actually make the pick but everybody knows that I have to pick the tightness. It's just out there. Yeah. I only make picks. On Thursdays yes. You know I might make a random pick from time to time but. Thursdays are sacred. So Tuesday was basically a Thursday you start starts to the T.. Yep. So. Whatever the titans won like you picked him. Yeah. contractually obligated at the to pick the Tennessee titans, you could go to jail if you don't -absolutely could it'd be like doing seventy nine and a thirty five mile an hour. Zone. You know. So if I don't pick among like I, just broke the law. Yes that's it would be. So yeah I mean if you WANNA go there. Yeah. Then I'm so then what's Your Tober? Then you know you to one loss last week right because the the bucks. I. Think you're to one. Yeah. That's amazing. Winning record. This is why this is why Colefax this is why I pay the luxury tax. You know because we're well over the salary cap here but I pay the luxury tax have you ever tried to break into that the luxury tax stuff colfax trying to show it to this morning and I'm like I don't even know. It's very confusing. It's very confusing, but it makes sense. So so the NBA is you know they, they have a soft salary cap that's what they call it they you have the cap but if you go over it, you owe money. So that's that's kind of when I'm looking at the nuggets against you have to ask. WHO's willing to go? How high are you willing to go? Now last year the salary cap was one hundred and nine, million dollars. I believe it one, hundred, nine, million dollars now the nuggets were. Their team total as far as what they were actually paying and payroll was. About. One, hundred thirty. So. They were like twenty one. Million dollars over the salary cap. So what that looks like is if you go over the salary cap. There's tears. So if you're a team that's like between zero and just under four point nine, million dollars. Over the CAP, your tax rate is a dollar fifty for every dollar over the CAP. So you just take the dollar fifty times whatever whatever that amount is now, but it goes into tears. So you're punish the higher you go. So the nuggets would fit into. Let's see one two three. Four, they would've in most teams fit into this, believe it or not. They would fit into the five tear the fifth tier, which is the largest teams that go twenty million over the cap or above the tax rate is three point seventy five for every dollar three dollars thirty five cents for every dollar over the CAP, and then it increases another fifty cents for each additional five, million over the twenty. So the nuggets were at twenty, one, million. So they were three, seventy five, but you add fifty to it because they were actually up fifty cents to it because they were actually closer to twenty one, million dollars. Doesn't seem to be a big deal for these teams they they seem to be able to just pay that and that's not I. I guess but I'm very curious to see and then again repeat offenders. If you're over that mark if you're much over that, they they add even more of that. So luxury tax. NBA's very interesting when you break it out but I, I was looking at the top. You know the top payrolls, the payrolls in the NBA and you know they're most teams are over that number. You know Portland's was. Hundred thirty seven million. Miami was with one, hundred, thirty, five Mil. I mean the Lakers was that was one, hundred, twenty five. Million I mean, they're all way over that number. I mean the Knicks. They were good boys but what does it cost Gino hundred and ten million? But. They don't know talks about the next. So you're all pretty much over it the question I guess becomes like. How much are you willing to to pay? How much are you willing to jump over? Dixon says. This is your t ns Covid by week maybe you should cry like Broncos did. You know I don't want to give into that I don't WanNa I. Don't WanNa fight right now a good place mentally Colfax. But listen I actually kind of agree I, didn't like the tweets. Like all the Justin Simmons Coming Out Melvin Gordon can now is pretty upset about it now looks pretty silly. I was pretty upset with that. I. Don't like it. I think Thursday they should have made the decision then. But they waited until Sunday morning I didn't like the whole. Let's just Shea make today a days difference. That's what made me mad. So why not just make that decision Thursday if you're only going to add on another day of practice for the Patriots. Is that really going to help you might as well, just postpone it that way you at least gave the Broncos. Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday. To Go visit family whatever the hell it is doing. It's not like most of them. Make big time vacations they're only off I, think during by weeks, teams coaches give you like two to three days off. So I, it would have given you the weekend or I don't care that big. I'm not like Oh poor players didn't get a vacation. No I'm not really worried about to me. It's more of the timing I don't like Sunday morning a couple hours before the Broncos we're going to get on a plane, the announcements made or yeah whatever I am not nuts about that. That's my biggest issue. I events text line three, one, nine, nine, six, three, one, nine, nine, six. Vic Fangio. was talking a lot about the situation yesterday obviously the the two big things like the biggest stories and broncos country is obviously the Melvin Gordon. And then drew lock what's going to happen there? Well, let's get to the drew lock side of it. I Vic Fangio's asked about, hey, what's going to happen with that quarterback position on? Sunday, against the PATS. got a bunch of rats today. We'll take a look at it. Obviously, we watched it live. We'll take a look at the video and it will be a you know a decision that will keep evaluating throughout the week in light of these weird circumstances. You Know Brett did get the full week last week for the most part. So if we did decide to go, it's Brett. We wouldn't feel quite as. Prepared with him as normally because he did get all most of the reps last week it's it's actually pretty unique right because you prepped for the Patriots Week already. You're doing your installs and all that right? Well, Brett Rippin was the guy because we didn't think drew was gonNA play well, this week it's been drew lock getting all the installs, the game plan everything going into it and he's looking good I always laugh laugh and Colfax because it's funny when coaches they see a guy in practice and then they're asked if he's GONNA be able to go Sunday and they're like, well, we gotta go back to the tape. You can tell. You can tell out there are practice if the guy is gonNA. Be Alright. But again, who am I I'm not I'm not VIC Fangio. Obviously, the Broncos are frustrated yesterday and throughout the week and I'm not sure what's going to happen with Melvin. Gord here's Vic Fangio when he was asked about Melvin Gordon Situation. They want him to practice today. Until we get to the bottom of everything, you know talk to the League in all the facts in order before we make a decision on what we're. GonNa do And way the differences between what the mandate mandated league punishment will be in anything we want to do in addition to that. Yeah, I'm disappointed but you know my own kids have disappointed me at some point in their life but I never stopped loving them anymore and he's one of us were allowed them but there'll be some consequences to this to what happened last night. I. Don't disagree with what he said just like drew lock but I mean if you're Melvin Gordon, everybody's talking about you like you're eight years old. Drew lops like he's like a brother. You know you don't get mad brother you you take them for some ice cream. Don't take him for a drink. Let's stay away from Matt Yeah Let's do some ice cream. This is what happens though when you screw up this badly and Again everything is is were heightening everything. It's a bigger deal now to get a Dui to get in trouble to get in a fight with your team anything like that is a much bigger deal because man, we might lose a game and we might lose a week due to covert. Obviously, injuries are the talk of the NFL to everybody's getting hurt and big time players. So we might lose the season because Christian McCaffrey goes down or von Miller goes down. But. Now we're at this stage where. Now you've got you've got a Dui things that you can help. So certainly, a frustrating situation, fifteen minutes after the hour we're GonNa take a quick break. We'll catch up with Chris Dempsey coming up of altitude TV as we look at the the salary cap for the and what that looks like ultimately, and how that might shape some of these decisions. It's easy to just say Atta shooter at a rim protector. But you gotta be careful you got to watch what you're doing when it comes to that to that salary cap fifteen after the hour it's the whole show powered by energy. We're live from the articles and special studios. No Code Now? Weekdays at four on northern Colorado's voice. Thirteen ten, Kfi. Dan Patrick. The whole show in Collin cowherd are on northern. Colorado's voice thirteen, ten Kfi K.. Everybody this Dalton Reisner gotTa Wiggins Colorado, and you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. KS? K. Every year about this time, I. Start Looking at the salary cap in luxury tax and it's just A lot for my little brain to handle. That's why we gotta bring on Chris Dempsey of attitude TV talking all things nuggets with us Chris Man, how are you my friend? Good to catch up with you Yeah doing fantastic doing really really well, just enjoying. A little downtime in this off season so far how are you good man I know you're enjoying and I keep bugging you about all these scenario. At. That time of year right and I think it's going to be convinced this year anyway because. It's not like you're gonNA have a full. You know what normal offseason so it's it'll be convinced we're gotTA. Talk through this stuff? Yeah, we do and I think every year I like to kind of reload this topic because when you look at the salary cap in the NBA, it's a little bit different more like a soft salary cap. But can you walk us through this because it seems like to me Chris what was the salary cap last year was? Was it one hundred and nine or something like that? Yeah. It was one, hundred nine and I, think these levels are going to be exactly the same or super similar next season. So one hundred, nine for the salary cap and one hundred thirty. One, hundred, thirty, seven. One thirty two, thirty, seven, thirty, seven for the. For the luxury tax. So basically you have I mean most teams are going to get over that over that salary cap mark and then I've kind of going through it like what that adds on each tears far how far you go over so basically, teams have to decide how much they're willing to pay. Once they get over that mark kind of being penalized so to speak. Yeah. So the one thirty. One thirty, two, hundred, million for the for the luxury tax. Yeah. Once you get over the one, hundred, thirty, two then you start paying dollar for dollar dollar for every dollar that you're over. So it gets real expensive real fat, and if you're a repeater which fewer multiple years in luxury tax, which the nuggets are not, they haven't been in a lecture attack since I think the two, thousand, nine, two, thousand, ten season. So they've done a nice job of keeping themselves out of the tax But anyway, if you were a repeater than the dollar for dollar goes to like a dollar and a half dollar and so it just continues to rise until. You're really paying. Millions of dollars over you're paying many more millions of dollars dollars in the tax. So I mean it is in place for spending controlling. What they don't want is you know bigger markets or richer teams to be able to just freely spend on all the free agents that they can and then you know then you have imbalance in the competitive nature of your sports, and so that's why the electric taxes there you started this segment by talking about the cap is being a soft cap it did. Off Scout because there is a buffer obviously when you go for one Oh, nine to one, thirty, two, you have. You know I mean that's a that's that's a buffer there in the in betweens. Oh, before you get to to the luxury taxes. So you know that's kind of where we are the nuggets going to have to really work hard to keep themselves out of the luxury tax for next season because they have a lot of money already wrapped up in about five players you're talking about. About Ninety five million dollars already of that one. Oh, one. Oh, nine wrapped up in just Murray Yokich Harris will, Barton the Michael Porter Junior. So there's a lot of money already accounted for and. Then, how do you you know the guys who are going to be there or or have either player option like Jeremy Grant or free agent options. Like Paul millsap and make some probably. and what do you do with those? How do you fit all those guys in to keep yourself under the luxury tax in Chris? Why and I know there's an obvious answer to this. But like I said, sometimes, I have a hard time getting there why is there one? Oh, nine salary cap, and then it's like one thirty two like why not just say that Caplis one, thirty two what what is the reasoning behind having the salary cap and then the luxury tax all the way up a lot like you said a big buffer between. Yeah. So they those that limbo area is allows teams to be able to go over the the salary cap to sign their own free agents. mid level exception players as well so so that you can you know so so that you're not penalized immediately basically basically I it's original attention what's for your own free agent? So if you you know spent a bunch of money on I'm out of free agents and still needed assigned somebody. There are mechanisms that allow you to do that and are an allow you to go over the salary cap to be able to do that. But with the NBA didn't want is obviously you know. Just, just free wheel spending you know free. You know and. that's why that salary about luxury tax number. Now, they're both based on on the percentage of basketball related income and so. Now. Now I'm getting into super technical stuff. But. But that's where those numbers are calculated and because the NBA I mean there were so much money. They did not revenue that they did not get a season because obviously the season was paused There were no games in arenas with fans. So that revenue was not a thing anymore. In the seating games was a large part of that was local television revenue as well. So you know getting getting to some of that. Because there was so much money lost in we're talking in the billions of dollars here the salary cap cannot and luxury tax that they will definitely not go up next year the NBA is working hard to keep them at the same level in not have that go down and had they not play the seating game just gone straight to the playoffs we might be in a situation where the seller capping luxury tax shrink next season in that would be a really devastating to a lot of. Teams payrolls because they're you know when when you're projecting out into the future you're projecting the percentage increases that you think of the tax, the Paprika to go up each year not down, and so it's GonNa be Dicey for a lot of teams You know even even with the level staying the same because you have contracts coming on board the nuggets have Jomar Murray's contract coming on board next year, and that was that was not calculated as part of again to make which would. Keep your salary cap and tax You know the same if not worse and that's is I pulled it up here to just the nuggets payroll I think they were around a little over one hundred close to one hundred, thirty, one, million last year. Chris and so like you said, Murray's contract jumps over. That's a huge Bob and with with Jeremy Grants contracts still in there which I know we're all saying he's likely to opt out of that thing nuggets around the one, hundred, seven, one, hundred, eight, mark. That's where it does get interesting right because grant I Chris. I'm hearing anywhere from sixteen to twenty million. Is that what you think he's going to demand on the market. I don't think you're GONNA get that because I there's just too many teams. The cash isn't twenty million for Jeremy Grant probably isn't a number that you'll get There's just too many teams with Castro. Cash, flow problems and So you know here's something that I think that that a lot of people aren't necessarily thinking about you know Jeremy Grant. Obviously will opt out of his contract get as much as you can this year maybe he just signed a one year deal and then comes back next year. When things are you know your fear radically things would be better after next season you may. You would have you have had games with. Teams in their own arenas maybe you would have had fans in maybe you. Let's call it half the Games it's not if not more and so the the revenue from the league gets back to more acceptable levels even if it's not totally normal but but what that would do is in the following summer your tacking CA- your tax and cap could maybe you rise and if that's the case then you know the more lucrative contract for him might not. Be until the summer of two thousand and twenty two now, I think we're talking about instead of two, thousand and twenty one. So that'd be that'd be an option for him as well. Just take a one year deal ticket as with as much as you can get this year gamble on yourself again and then really cash in next year however if he goes long-term deal this year you know you know we'll see you know I, you know. I there are a couple of teams up there with a lot of money in the La Lakers. There's one of. And you know so just because their contracts this year were just all like one or two year deals just very non-guaranteed stuff i. mean you know that you know I think the beauty of what the Lakers. Did from from an executive standpoint was they had literally two players actually making all the money and it was Lebron James and the Anthony Davis and then you had a slew of players on super economical contract if not just flat out one year deals and so now they go into it they win the NBA title doing with with that kind of a payroll, and now you go into next season. In into this off season with the ability to really have a lot of flexibility, you've already won a title You know I know they're going to try to pay Anthony Davis long-term. How do you figure that out but you can still do that and do a lot of other stuff. So the Lakers are in really good standing especially given that they wanna title the nuggets are in a little bit more tenuous footing because you know they would rather not being the luxury tax. They have avoided it for the better part of ten years and you know for for them, it's a situation where how do you keep your core together? How do you supplement around these players and keep yourself under the tax level I? Don't know if they can do it but their dog on you're GonNa try and that's what's interesting. You know and I've been guilty of this Chris. We're all saying, Hey, nuggets need to maybe look at a shooter maybe look at a rim protector. Tough if you do WANNA bring Jeremy Grant back and whatever that looks like, and if he wants to stay in Denver I mean, that's that's going to be more right. That's GonNa be more than what he was doing in two thousand. Twenty Two thousand twenty I should say you look at that and you think, ok, well, if you go out and you you still got, you gotta resigned somebody whether that's mill Sabir plummy. One of those guys might might be there. So if you do go out and try to get a rim protector or another shooter, well, they're gonNA. Want money you want more than. Two million dollars. So that's why Chris has. I'm going through this. It's easy to say, Oh, maybe move on from millsap maybe move from plumlee but if you can get them both for a pretty good deal, you try to keep the corn tax because like you said if if staying onto that luxury luxury tax is so important to Denver that might be the best option. Yeah and both of those players are going to be you know a super economical I mean you know? obviously Paul MILLSAP thirty, million this year I mean I would. That would be a number that's under ten million per year going forward I would guess that that would be a similar situation for Mason Plumlee as well. So you know I you know th, there's lots of think about. So how much you I mean do you convert also Bo? Bo's contracts to a standard aren't And what does that look like in? Do you get him in the rotation? I mean you talked about a integral rim-protector shooter, what he can do both. Of You, you have, you know the player like that You know if they wanted to do something more significant I, think trade is going to have to be where you start you know and you know if you're really trying to mix and match salaries giving give them bring in money that you're you know not bringing in a ton more money than you have leaving been trades is probably the best way to do that for the nuggets right now and so what does that look like in who does that involve and what are those dollars look like in So I I think there are. Scenarios where the nuggets can get go after seeing more significant players but I think those scenarios. Jen. Really to me involved more trading of into outright signing be given their financial situation. Well, What's interesting too is the nuggets might not have to do any of that. If they truly believe that porter takes the next step is a guy that you just mentioned him Bo-bo. They might have those guys you know they need a better they need a shooter we'll Puerto shooter you just gotTa have a little bit better maybe a lot better defense a mentally, and physically bowl we saw these glimpses in the bubble and. Off Season but you give them a couple of months here. Maybe all of your answers are right there within your own roster. That's I. IT'S A it's a great point and and I think these are conversations that they have have, and they certainly are I'm hard difficult conversations because I you know the question really is you know the nuggets window for contention is open and it's open right now and so the question really is is how do you get yourself from? Western, conference. Finals to the NBA. Finals. how do you get yourself back to the Western Conference finals? If it's not in a bubble, you know I mean that that's also a question and can you're young players fill the bill you know can can Michael Porter Jr. really rise up and be a major part of the rotation candle bowl contribute in a way that helps elevate the team from one level to the next or do you also need to supplement that with a veteran or to that fills in area that you think you know that you need as well maybe that answer just both you know maybe that answer is both and maybe the mix of veterans different mix of veterans the surrounding. Your core players and so these are very difficult questions. I think sometimes it's it's it's easier. It's much easier when you're really bad team to just go okay we just need all the players we can. We know you know what you need. We need everything l. let's just start with everything rather than when you're in a situation where the nuggets are what you're really really good. You're this close to breaking through and getting yourself to an NBA finals. Okay. So what are the final pieces to the puzzle to get you there and how do you get those pieces and how do you do that in a pandemic in the? Pandemic is really a depressing economics of the League that you're in and so these are pretty challenging times in terms of how they improve but I think ultimately, Brady the answer is both I think you're going to see. Them really lean into some of the younger players especially not on the air. Mike Junior still in his rookie contract Volvo will be on a whatever contract he signs that as a standard contract but he won't be hugely significant because he hasn't done anything in the NBA yet. So those contracts will be pretty economical you know, and then after that, you know, do you reach back in and sign Paul millsap and Mason plumlee you signed one and go after somebody else around the you know maybe a shooter or something like that from another team do you re signed both in just go? Okay I think. If, we have all these guys intact were good I. Think we'll. We'll know a little bit more about what the nuggets think in terms of what the pieces are here in the next few weeks especially if some of the rumors come out about trades or about signings and that kind of thing who the nuggets are in for with the the all very cute glimpses into what they're thinking about the health of their team and where they need to take it from to the NBA final four to to the NBA final crystal for you got about a minute here. Jeremy Grant he says so interesting, we've seen him play both on the small forward power forward side. Ethan you move on from MILLSAP and even if you keep him likely not going to start. See. Grant. Better. Served for the nuggets as a as a consistent power forward. That's really a question because he was playing small forward in time and you're right and. and you still have a little Barton coming back. So boy, it's. It's a it's a good question. I've all you know he played when when they're worse fans in the stands Jeremy Grant was playing the four and because we'll Barton was there for the majority of the time But I, think that the good thing about having Jeremy Grant is that he can play both I would guess I. would guess that he would slide back to the fore because. Especially, if you're if you're the nuggets in your intent on keeping bargain and Michael Puerto Junior wiggles, guys play the same position. So you don't want to have three players playing because you have one guy who gets you know COMPLA-, the power forward position and that's Jeremy Grant. So I would I would guess that he was like back to the fore and they would probably honestly grady start him I mean. I. You know I mean if you find the forest and you're bringing back Paul millsap at a reduced rate or not at all then Jeremy Grants probably going to be you're starting for and and he he'd be paid like that. So I mean he'd be ba Ba. He'd be getting started money, and so I would guess that he would be started the starting for next season. It'll be interesting to see Chris Thank you for walking me through this I told you explain it to me like I'm fine with the luxury. But. It is man we appreciate people like you can really break into it and and lay it out for because it does make a lot of sense Chris man appreciate you as always and we'll. We'll stay in touch because I'm sure we'll get some information coming out soon. No doubt man Um yeah. We'll definitely say this becomes times a year absolutely does. Armament that's Chris taxi altitude TV. Yes. So that's what's crazy is is every teams basically going over the salary cap if you just looked at it like that. So that's what I was talking about earlier. But when you add the luxury, the luxury tax in there that is provided. So what I understood, of course as that's provided, so you can sign your own guys. So you have room to do that, but you can't just use that to go out and sign. Willy Nilly anybody and everybody thirty nine minutes after the hour. Let's get the latest on the local sports flash here MORNINGS WITH GAIL weekdays six to nine and northern Colorado's voice thirteen ten KFI. K.. Start. Your morning off right with your recommended daily intake of news weather and traffic to get yourself up and running. Join US Mornings Gail six to nine, thirteen, ten KFI KF. Essentially kopecks you're looking at. One hundred thirty million, you know that's you're wanting to be careful there. Because again, there's a lot more to this with the salary cap. But how how far can you go here because the nuggets right now assuming that Jeremy Grant ops out you're sitting at ninety million dollars ninety eight, million dollars excuse me for your payroll. Okay. So you have you have you have room to play here, but if you're going to bring back. If, you're going to bring back Jeremy Grant Dempsey doesn't think that he's going to get sixteen to twenty. So these at nine right now. Is it reasonable to think he gets up to fourteen or fifteen. Let's go fifteen shoot high. So now you're at fifteen, you're adding onto that number. You have what? One hundred, thirteen, million dollars. So you're kinda getting down to what you have left to play with here. Now, you millsaps coming off the books. Plumlee is coming off the books Tori Craig's coming off the books. Those are your three main guys but one of Bulbul what is that look like for him or are you going to sign him to a contract and and think that you can really go there? So yeah, you're over the actual salary cap you use that to just sign Jeremy Grant. So that means you got you're still way under the the luxury tax side of things. So what does that mean? Now you have room to go out and get a player or two, but you know what? At what cost and are you going to bring? You're GONNA have to bring back some aren't you? I mean is tour. Are you good with Tori Craig millsap and plumlee going or can you get plumbly for six seven million dollars? because. You're still gonNA need a backup. Right. So let's say you bring him in for seven million. So now you're at one twenty. You have room to go out and get another free agent. What what are you looking at their? You're pretty stacked at the guard position. do you go for more in a more depth at the center position? Do you go for a shooter and if you do go for a shooter? Are they brought in to replace Gary Harris? Because they're not going to replace him PJ. The whole idea here is that you're you're gonNA GIVE 'EM PJ the room to grow coming up in this off season, and then going into next season. So you're GonNa, let him grow. So if you break, my mind goes to this if you bring in a shooter okay. Are you going to bring in a shooter to come off the bench and provide some bench scoring? Or you're GonNa pay you know upwards of ten million to bring in a guy that's probably closer to starting caliber. That's the question again, you gotta be careful because. You know the Nuggets Colleen Calvin booth both say that they want to try to keep the core. Well. That's that's all pretty good I. Mean You have most of your guys locked up except for Jeremy Grant. Do you WANNA keep Paul millsap. For Ten million do you WANNA keep may simply for six, seven, eight, million? And then Tory, Craig is on that list and he was doing just a little north two million. So. You liked his defense but was his defense that good that you you think you can. You can. You can't live without him. There's a lot of big questions surrounding this team. And again, you got to be careful. Because of Jeremy Grant gets the kind of money. That he thinks that he can get. You know you're going to have another big contract to that list. Again, you're paying will Barton fourteen million? You're paying. Gary Harris. Close to twenty million dollars. And and I think they could find a way to, but that's also again Bulbul. Do you want him to be on your roster PJ? Does a free agent? Did you like him enough? So you still have these these smaller questions. And again is does you're going to demand much more than he was paid hundred, eighty, three thousand. You could probably get him. You know you. Can get him. Does he want more that close to a million or something like that? Who knows? But that's not going to be a big dent either way. Ball Ball's not going to be a big dent you price signed him to a deal. But it's more of a a one year type thing. It'll be very interesting to see how the Nuggets Juggle this because Jeremy Grant. That's a big question mark and Paul Millsap. That's a big question mark as well as plumlee. In fact, I wrote about it my deep thoughts from wandering mind the biggest question marks going into the offseason for the nuggets MILLSAP Plumlee PJ among those questions forty eight minutes after the whole show powered by PVC energy we'll be right back. Inside the bear's den presented by Chris Musa Agency allstate insurance, Tuesday nights northern. Colorado's voice thirteen ten Kfi K.. 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"Southern colorado never stops neither do we. This is no co now presented by shanin. Nation-states here's tanner swint hour number two. Let's get a going here on this tuesday morning. Thanks for being with us northern colorado. I am tanner. Swint live from the collision specialist studios on this nice tuesday again weather. Nice really really like that. Hey a couple. Quick programming notes One of them involving some sports tonight. I will be broadcasting University volleyball and And the eating reds our coverage can start at seven o'clock tonight so be ready for that. That should be a good one between the reds and the bulldogs regular lineup The wrestle way through. Don't don't miss the the last edition there of Inside the bear's den. Well that'll run From five to six Our poll question or accessories with flair. Poll question up on our facebook page and noko. Now you can comment on their The the question today is pretty simple. Pretty straightforward if you'd have lunch with anybody alive or dead who would it be and you there's a couple of ways you can go about this if you've lost a lost a loved one. I think you'll see a lot of people say that Or you go someone famous that you've always thought about having a beer with is it a sports figure rockstar. My biggest thing. When i look at this and talk about it. It's like i want somebody who i think are personalities would get along. It's going to be somebody. I don't wanna sit down with somebody that's just going to be like some big rockstar dude. I got nothing in common with and we can't even talk about anything like that doesn't appeal to me. I want it to be some astrophysicist. And i don't know what they're talking about how you'd be smarter by the intimate. But i i don't know what they're going to be talking about the entire time so i don't know there's a couple of ought jonah always always been close to the top of my list You know peyton. Manning would be fun to just because of his personality rate. Lot lot of quarterbacks. On my list i'm just sitting here gamma brett farve. I'd like to sit down with brett farve as well. There's a lot of people But just one launch i. I don't know. I wanna know your thoughts though comment on our facebook page at noko. Now text the 'tatanka grill text line at night. Seven zero four seven eight thirteen zero one nine seven zero four seven eight thirteen zero one If you're new tech sir all you have to do to subscribe text. Kfi to that number and you'll be ready to go No text back or anything like that high. Let's let's get into the sports world last night. The nc double a. tournament has wrapped up. March madness is officially over and it was because of Last night the just they stood in the way of history and gonzaga couldn't quite get it done. You know jalen suggs started off slow for kazakova but he comes back twenty two points but it was never enough you know they they had Baylor just came out and roll right from beginning with a nine. Oh lead right off the bat. It's just it's crazy. This belief in reality at sitting gonzaga's push for perfection. Had fallen short stopped by aggressive. Baylor team that never let the bulldogs find. The optin seamless execution the carry them all season the bulldogs with similarly had everything clicking them from the season's opening tip into the season with an out of sync and destroying. Its showing monday night. Eighty six seventy loss to baylor in the nc championship game. What was on the line. Welcome was looking to become the first unbeaten national champion since indiana in nineteen seventy six. That was what they were going for. That would have also as well as the programs. Push for that breakthrough. I titles gonzaga's still hasn't got that done yet. Either you try to do everything within your power to flip the switch coach mark few said but yeah it was tough when they're consistently just more aggressive on both ends it was hard to generate rhythm we'd score a couple of times and We couldn't get couldn't ever get a consecutive stops to kind of close some gaps. Then we didn't help ourselves. We turn the ball over. We missed free throws so baylor. I mean you gotta give them all. The credit gonzaga was down ten half and he thought okay this could still gonzaga could still comeback. Not the case baylor came out and just kept their foot down in the second half and the baylor bears or your twenty twenty one. Ncwa and the whites too early preseason polls for next year gonzaga right now sits as the favourite to win the title. Take after what you will. But that's where it stands. As of today was a. It was a fun. March madness tournament Hopefully everybody's brackets They didn't get completely busted like minded but probably did Because there were so many. So many upsets i get an eleven seed in the final four. You're you're brackets normally going to be busted even a good brackets. This year seemed to just be the best best of the worst meaning. The you call somebody and it came down if you've got this the national champion right. That's where it came down so bad. Maybe i'm just bitter. I lost pretty pretty aggressively in In the whole show bracket challenge. Let's go over to the ice now. There's no team hotter in hockey right now. Then the colorado avalanche they beat the minnesota wild last night five to four. They push their win streak to five games now And i mean they're they're finding ways to win no matter what type of game it is so they have out there. They lose the first period. One zero minnesota get gets an early score there. What do they do in the second period. The avs put four on the board so at one point is four to one and then here come the minnesota while they score three of their own in the third period but it was a third period goal by gabriel. Linus gog that Secured the victory. They were five to two at that point and they gave up a couple of late goals in this one. But you know nathan mackinnon with another with another goal landis gog again on the power play. It's this team. Just they've got too many weapons. They've got too many weapons for anybody to be staying up. Caught up with has would that victory move at twenty six eight and four on the ear starting to pull away already the minnesota wild take on the avalanche again. Tomorrow seven o'clock puck trap in that one. Minnesota's gonna sodas in a slouch twenty three twelve and two on the year. This team is good and the answer just finding ways i mean they were up there four to one atom one point five to two on them. They're just finding ways to control these teams and then take over when they need to. And it's it's a fun thing to watch on the hardwood tonight. Let's switch over to the association. The denver nuggets seven o'clock tip off tonight against the detroit pistons. The pistons are awful Right now the two hottest teams in the you you know in the nba nhl reside inside of china between the denver nuggets and colorado avalanche. So they take on detroit tonight look. They're big big favorites in this one. I think what you can just you you got hope for is that They don't have that that stumbled detroit's fifteen and thirty five on the ear. This games inbal arena. Couple old friends there. Cheer grant Uh the leading. Points gator for the pistons this year. Averaging about twenty two points a game mason plumlee nine point four points a game when mason plumlee is also. You're leading assist getter. You've got something wrong. And that's where the detroit pistons say right now but this game at home And the biggest thing for the nuggets no injured players right now the nuggets for thirteen and a half point favorites in this game. Let's take a look at the standings because there was some action last night in the association. That's take a look for the denver nuggets. They have moved up to fourth place now. A game back from the clippers. the utah jazz. Have the utah jazz. Lost last night. how about that. When's the last time that happened. So the jazz fallback the sons two and a half games. Pack them now the nuggets game. Back of the la clippers. The mavericks get it done against utah last night. One eleven one zero three. That's us talking about when you look at the western conference loaded side of things anyway. No matter where you're at anybody can beat anybody on that side. It's going to be a fun place in the association. Let's go now to the diamond with the colorado rockies back in action tonight after one for three start to the season they get started to go again. Get ready to go again tonight. Six forty the first pitch in this one looks like fluke. Weaver going to be going for the diamondbacks. Iraqis have not announced who. They're starting pitcher. We'll be for tonight's match up the rockies one and three on the air the diamondbacks won and three as well. We'll see the diamondbacks and the rockies are supposed to be the two worst teams in the nfl west see what they have coors field though they're going to be hosting the all star game and they're it's going to be the home run. Derby is going to be phenomenal. It is going to be so much fun to watch that. I don't think that dick montfort should have been rewarded for how things have gone. But i cannot wait to see that. Also a couple of quick notes here from around the league in some other things that i saw. Did you see the texas rangers. They had no social distancing that a sell out crowd down in texas. That was pretty crazy to see. I didn't think i would ever be like. oh well. it's a full stadium. That's that's weird. But i am was weird to see. It was great to see. Their numbers are good enough and they're not bouncing back bouncing a high and you know we don't have thousands upon thousands of people dying from this. I love it. I love it but check it out because that was crazy to watch for the sports world remember. We've got high school volleyball tonight. Eating reds university bulldogs doing tonight. Seven o'clock tip are that's not a tip off seven o'clock begins so you can join us out right after The whole show replay. But if you don't want to miss any of the games go to the tavern at saint michel square hit is tuesday. get on over there to enjoy some lodge. You know maybe some patio beers. You certainly feel it Late this afternoon car maybe signed for patio. Beer it's the terrorists. They michael square. 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Thirteen ten kfi game. Northern colorado's voice is thirteen ten. Kfi of k. Tanner will be back after the break here. Mornings with gail weekdays. Six to nine and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi ms are bettinger. Clary real estate real estate market right now. Well it's interesting high demand not a lot of things out there so right now i think the best bet is to just hey called as a desert. Here's what i'm looking for. I want this five acres. This sorta house three bedroom. Two bath go from there and see what And just say hey. Keep your eyes peeled if you see something like this because she gets all these notifications as soon as something pops up and becomes available. She's contacted and then she can say. Oh that's exactly what. That's exactly what ryan was looking for but are calling and get hold of him. Desert petting clary real estate. Get you into your dream home today. It's deserie petting her are accessories. Learn harris poll question is up on our facebook page at noko now who have launched with anybody living or dead. Who would it be. Do you have an answer to the. Who would you say ryan. I'm intrigued by this one. This is very very very random. But i would say they're like Amy winehouse or Princess diana okay. Both be a good time. That's fair enough. We are going polar opposites. But i think you know i do think i've got i don't know i don't know i do think that i'm probably going to go elway like if i was if i had to go sit down and john elway i dunno. I think trump would actually be fascinating. Sit down with for lunch. To plus he would pay like no other either way like you ever go to to eat lunch with it. They're definitely paying. That would be a fascinating one. Anybody who's been president really would be fascinating to sit down and just talk with. But i have to say elway. Trump's probably up there but that's that's where i'm going. What about you text to grow tax on at night. Seven zero four seven eight thirteen one nine seven zero four seven hundred thirteen one. Didn't i did sit down and have a beer with mayor. John gate and that podcast is up available right now. Thirteen ten k of k dot com. Let's have a beer. Click on that. Click on the link and go to Episode number three mayor gates. Check them all while you're there but that was a fun. That was a really fun interview. Mayor gates was really open. It was he knew that we were more in a relaxed setting and it turned into a great interview. All right This this story. I've been teasing for a couple of days Colorado sees big boost for roads transit systems and front range rail under biden plan but details scant so far. Love this. here's our plan. Where's your actual plan. You're just throwing dollar amounts at their. We'll figured out will you. A two hundred Two trillion dollar infrastructure plan released this week by president. Joe biden's administration colorado stands to reap a windfall of federal money significant cash paying for highway and bridge fixes transit expansions clean energy projects and even the start of a regional front range railway but while state and local transportation leaders marvel at the large potential impact. It's unclear exactly how much will flow this way. If congress approves the plan which includes a one hundred fifteen billion dollars for repair of roads and bridges among its main components are infrastructure is starting to fail you. Just look it out. Our infrastructure is mind. So is it take money to do. Yes should be federal money. That's another argument. Carla department of transportation executive director shoshana lou who served as an official in the us department of transportation during the obama administration. Hazard a guess on thursday. Based on colorado's typical cut federal transportation funding lose at cdot might expect to compete for quote somewhere on the order of magnitude of a billion and a half dollars. A billion dollars. These things are great to talk about. But i mean the money is coming from somewhere so when they say it's federal money. Sure whose money is really. Well it's our tax dollars. You can't just. I mean you can. It's not a good thing you can just print more money but we know what happens when you do that. So a billion and a half dollars coming to colorado possibly anything on that order would significantly augment a new state legislative effort aimed at creating new fees would raise nearly four billion dollars over the next decade addressing. Some of the road upkeep need a lot of money. We're talking about and i know it's look i i know it's necessary in some way shape or form transit agencies including metro denver's regional transportation district saddled with unfunded fasttrack rail lines could reach for some of the eighty five billion proposed for transit expansion projects. Denver international airport was significant upgrades and expansions now underway and big future. Plans could vie for some of the twenty five billion dollar chunk envision for airports while state commission. That's making plans for front range. Regional rail line could get help from amtrak with biden's plan delivers on eighty billion dollars in funding to boost the national passenger railway network. So this this railway that they're talking about amtrak released wednesday that identifies a quarter from cheyenne wyoming pueblo as among potential routes prime for new service. So but we still don't know we still don't know how this would be broken down. We don't know where the money's going wear which is an issue of is in their debating this right now and wanting to talk about and thinking about passing this. Shouldn't we know where the money's going to be going just throwing it out there. How did you just say okay. Here's this much money. We don't know why figured that seems like the right amount. He about two trillion dollars kong. You're asking congress approved two trillion dollars with not a whole lot of details about where the money's supposed to be going. Who's getting the money. How much of that is actually going to be used for the infrastructure. Because there's always kickback. Things right and kickbacks not the right term i get that but there's always okay well we need to create When you to create a government agency group for this and boom all of a sudden there's an agency this built the didn't need to be there. But that money's going there so how much of that money is actually going to the infrastructure. And how much of it is in these other areas. That's the two trillion dollar question color and we need work on our roads. There's no doubt about it but how much we're getting things of that nature we don't know yet and we should before too long right but we don't know right now we don't know if it'll even get approved All right you know. What ten thirty proactive physical therapy and sports medicine. They've got locations in eaton and in greeley one brand new one in brighton as well so you go and how that surgery coming out. And you're like hey. I'm a brand new man and then as soon as that surges over you try and stand up. Wait a second. that isn't going to work or you get back on and maybe you do get back all right and then you try and run and you're like wait a second. I forgot how to run. It's a real thing even on some minor surgeries the re had the rehabilitation process. Is vitally important matters. That's why proactive. 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To that number of the poll question today. If you're gonna have launched with anyone living or dead who would it be i. That's i don't think that is jeff. Goldblum is that jeff cobham. Casey that right. I don't think it is is it who is that. Do you know chad. Who is that. You gotta let me know here i. It's probably going to be somebody that i'm gonna feel really stupid about not knowing joining now up on hotline it is. Chris would editor and publisher of business. West magazine chris before we dive into these topics. I would do want to ask your poll question today. If you eat lunch with anybody living or dead who would it be. I would say my late grandma i like. We've we've had people go like with really famous people or a loved one that they've been missing. That makes sense. Yeah i mean everyone's you know there's a lot of loved ones. I would love to have a chance to have lunch with again. But yeah i would say i would say my grandma. My grandma like that. I like take for. Thanks for sharing this morning. I appreciate that how we doing today. Christie feeling good. Yeah feeling very good. Lots lots going on out there. A lot of different areas a lot of activity. Now let's start first with some of the apartments the apartment market where it stands right now. Yeah think there have been very crazy apartment market and one of the things that we have We have seen is In addition to all of the apartment construction that continues At a very rapid pace throughout our throughout our region we've seen a very significant level of investment activity where apartment complexes have have seoul and and just Yesterday i believe Was we wrote a story about a big apartment project on east harmony road in fort collins. The wyatt Which has sold for one hundred and ten million dollars and that that sounds like a lot of tanner but We as you'll recall we had Two recently that were even a bigger in our in our broad area. One was in Boulder the residential portion of a project called the rev Right across from the google campus Sold for a hundred and fifty one million dollars Just in the past month or so and then before that in december Broomfield a project called the bell. Summit at flat irons Sold for one hundred fifty four million dollars that's a very large five hundred unit development And then we've seen others Selling several in broomfield and the ninety million dollar range. She in the last In the last year or so and Just just really frenetic activity not only in construction but in the investment markets with with these projects selling i think we we talked about one a week or two ago. in johnstown. That's all four. Seventy million right there at twenty five three four so very Very active market right now in that multifamily arena. And what is the house for that because it does seem like the real estate market as a whole is kind of all over the place right now. There's high demand and not a lot of a lot of listings out there But what's going on with the With with all these apartment complex why why such great activity. Well i think. I think it is several things one is as you noted there The inventory a single family homes on the market is very low in our area. There is not enough housing for the number of potential buyers. That are out there so So they're seeing a shortage of single family homes if they wanted to get into ownership scenario. It's more difficult now because there's not a lot of inventory. They were really not a lot of home building activity that is going on not even close enough to meet current demand and and i think kobe certainly has had an effect. It's you know people have been furloughed or laid off and They may have shifted from single family in to a rental situation so I think it's a lot of different factors and Most people. I talked to Don't expect this to let up anytime soon. They expect to still see a very Very hot rental market Which you know drives up the cost of of Rental housing but then also increases the value. So we've seen We had our our. We have people that A commercial brokerage very van ness run some numbers for us Over looking at apartment sales from the last year and it's just staggering. When you look at it we do it. For our four counties that we cover and it ranged from that the Seventy four million dollars for the vibe apartments in fort collins Which sold Last september seventy four million governors park and fort collins Sold for sixty eight million. So we're seeing that throughout the region and and really no no let up in sight with chris would editor and publisher biz west magazine. Well i suppose that craziness will just keep monitoring it. you say. There's no end in sight. Do you have any predictions on where it goes. I mean is this just going to be the new norm with this. I think While there's a shortage of Of forced sale properties for sale home single family homes as there is now and Then i think that the multifamily market will continue. We did a a very prominent Experts speak at a boulder valley real estate conference a couple of years ago His name is marcel arsenault and He has billions out that around the world with his With his investment company Started out in broomfield and louisville area At that time he said that he thought the apartment market had reached. kind of. It's it's nater but it has not happened yet so you know there's the market seems to continue to have strengthen I think that even Even during during kobe We're seeing that. There is high demand for for rental properties and and again we still see a lot on the drawing board a lot in this development review process throughout throughout the region. Chris would editor and publisher biz. West magazine chris. We know we've been talking a little bit about these. These biotech companies the more more big funding on the way. Yeah so. I think it was just last week that we were talking about the biotech sector and the fact that it is very volatile you know we have companies that come in for sometimes a brief time sometimes for longer and then they shut down as we discussed last week. Novartis is shutting down. Its longmont operation when four hundred people out of work. That was a civility that has now had a multiple users over the years from amgen to astra zeneca to a vectis slash Novartis and now it will have at some point another one but there is a lot of activity there. there are billions of dollars literally that are coming into the market For the biotech sector and in the latest one. We have a company out of boulder called in scripture which makes a gene editing platform. And they have just raised a hundred and fifty million dollars. This is serious and their Funding round That is Bringing their total venture capital investment that they raised over the years to four hundred and ten million dollars since the company was founded in twenty fifteen. So this was actually the largest funding round that they had and it comes on the heels of a mother very significant ones Edgewise therapeutics in boulder Just went public and raised two hundred two million dollars and then we talk last week. Also about some illogic now being valued as a unicorn and they're going to be adding a going public through a spec merger and That will bring them about six hundred fifty one million in net net proceeds so You know i was looking back at a couple of the some of the large deals that have occurred over the last year or two and pfizer in twenty nineteen bought a bio pharma in boulder for ten point. Six billion dollars more than ten point. Six billion dollars Last year accompanying boulder archer. Dax soul to in vita for three hundred twenty five million dollars so It volatile industry but Right now Other than the you know the random closures like novartis in longmont There there's a lot of activity a lot of jobs coming in a lot of investment coming into the biotech market and You know there's others. We've got a full collins company. That has is going public soon and has a a treatment For cova that is in Phase two trials. That's a company called cider calm in boulders era. I'm sorry in fort collins that will soon be public as well Through a merger so A space that is a very very important for the colorado economy and for You know the boulder valley in northern colorado economy. chris. I'm sitting here wonder and look. Why are we not in the biotech industry ourselves. That's kind of what i'm on and i know why i'm not. I'm not smart enough but could you maybe let me be a janitor at one of your biotech. I was going to pay for myself. Not for you take but for myself and it all has to do with brain cell. No trust me. It's a safe bet saying. That's my issues will. Chris would editor and publisher business magazine. Let's jump in here talking more about these big deals. It's encouraging to see it in some ways because it seems like you know the economy starting to become active again we had we had a stagnant period. But it seems like things are starting to pick back up Some big deals in boulder ball aerospace. And other big deal. Yes so this is This is the one we. We've been talking about their desire to expand their boulder campus. You know ball corporation. Their parent is based now. It wasn't in broomfield now based in westminster ball corporation Including the aerospace division employs more than five thousand people in boulder broomfield and westminster so very significant but ball aerospace as as we've talked about a couple of times has proposal to expand their older campus on east arapahoe and one of the key components is that they need an exemption to boulders height limitation so right now in boulder the maximum you can build is fifty five feet But that is only in select areas and the boulder city council. Older planning board is Going to look at I'm sorry the boulder city council tonight is going to look at whether to allow the fifty five foot fifty five foot Building to occur on the ball campus so that they could build what they want to build their They can't go over fifty five but just don't allow them to go up to sixty five feet and they're also looking at another one Kind of stagnant retail project in boulder is the diagnosis plaza which actually has many many different owners but the city council and is going to look at allowing Construction up to fifty five feet on one part of that That project which would bring housing into a What is now a retail project. So they'll be looking at these two these two areas to determine whether they want to allow a higher Height construction On the diagonal plows And with a ball aerospace so We'll know we'll know late tonight. Probably very late tonight whether the city council is going to Support both of those two projects will indeed think to. This could be something. That kind of sets a little bit of a precedent chris. Ware okay the they get it done now. Anybody who wants to go forward. i mean. obviously they're gonna have to go through the same steps but at least this would be a stepping stone to say. Hey they did it. Well I would. If i had to guess i would say city. Council is going to be a of. It is very controversial in boulder to build paul number one. And however i think there's a lot of support for Working with all aerospace In boulder to keep them as a major employer at the same time. There is support. I think on among city council members for For the diagonal plaza redevelopment and this is just a small piece of it. I the last i looked was. It's been a while now. But i think there may be up to fifteen or eighteen owners of different parcels on what's considered diagnosed plaza So i don't think that this would be leading to a wave of of exemptions or expansion of of of that cryer hike capability i. I don't think that will happen in boulder. I think these would Isolated cases that The city council made support. We'll see we'll see tonight. chris. Chris would editor publisher biz west. Appreciate appreciate your time as always my friend and we're running short on time but we'll catch up with the next week. Okay all right good. Thanks have that's chris. Would we really are running short attempt to. Let's take a break. No now presented by the jeanine nine agencies or app it up on the other side. I'm not Northern cowardice voice thirteen ten. Kfi the power trip weekdays at eleven on thirteen ten. Kfi k six. Just a couple of minutes remaining here got a caller that called in with a couple of questions about some business transactions. Getting ray take place here in greeley. We'll get those. I'll see if i can if. Chris might have a spare five minutes for us tomorrow to discuss more about that. 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Sports! with Fletcher Sharpe

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Sports! with Fletcher Sharpe

"Daily detroit is brought to you by the community support our work that patriot dot com slash daily detroit on episode. Six fifty. four of your daily detroit fletcher. Sharp comes by to run down. The we can sports. I'm jerry stays and it's wednesday december ninth twenty twenty. Let's just get started. Welcome back sir. Thanks for having me always always all right. The lion showed up for interim coach. Darrell bevelled didn't they. They definitely did in normally expect when you get. A new coach seems to try to few different things. And maybe try it harder for the new coach and It showed out the lions beat. The chicago bears for the first time in three years. Wow as something that was not really talked about. You don't really hear about it. In professional football professional sports much ado in college sports but teams and fan bases like to beat their rivals and the fact that matt patricia had not beaten the bears especially when the bears really haven't been that good least offensively. These last few years has been really frustrating. Because always gonna be your your rivals. Were three three three one two so it's always good to like get a win over someone like that. So the fact that battle came out in its first game and got a win. Kind of warm gerard a little bit. Oh for sure. Let's not hide the fact that there are still fundamental issues for most of the game the lions defense was not so great they did show up later which is a good thing but the biggest feedback that i seem to sense from the post game and things like that is that there was the joy of playing football again and i think in a post game interview coach bedell talked about that idea of. Let's go out there. let's have some fun. Let's play the game for the game. One note the people are probably didn't really realize with win. The lions are one game out of the final wildcard spot in the nfc. You're one step closer to tattoo sir. they're not gonna make the playoffs. I'm not worried about that at all. If it happens out. Definitely still my side of that bet. But i'm not worried about them making the playoffs at all. They still get up thirty points to one of the worst quarterback in the nfl. I'm not really worried about you. Know the vat they might be able to score a bit better with better offense. But i'm not really worried about them. Make the playoffs Descend a you eight. We glad we all know the defenses bad but on the offensive side Stafford didn't look bad at all. They opened up the playbook a little bit. Like i said you kind of expect that with a new coach. You have all of your playbook you don't try to reinstall new stuff. You're playbook but maybe they give you a hundred plays in a season for you to think about maybe more I know at high school. They gave us like fifty to study all of them that we really only ran like fourteen. Fifteen of them but you do little variations with a new coach. It's like ra will now. We're going to change things up a bit. Maybe it's everyone in these flat routes. Maybe you're gonna bend them up. Feel we're gonna try to get as many vertical yards as possible and looked at the offense is. We're trying to get his vertical as possible going to try to push the ball. Were the stuff that like you know we do. The defense stepped up to the lions. Were probably would lose that game in the defense came through the strip act near the end and set them up with an easy touchdown for sure. Now i know some people are of the thought that you should just you know. Go for the best draft pick ever and just like tank it. But i mean i think people get more excited about a win than like a draft pick and to be honest like draft. Picks are not guaranteed. Honestly that depends a you. Ask if you ask the diehard lions fan. They want the win. They care about the wind. Whatever if he asked one of the more new age i trying to say one of the new age i guess kind of caffeine fans in their own right They're like we want to assemble the best team ever be good for decades so that means we gotta lose a game with lose a game with lose every game possible. If you left it up to those fans. They would cut every player. Put them on injured. Reserve sign like fifth level austrian football league players to come over there and play lose every game to ensure they get the number one overall pick. And like you said it's not guaranteed 'cause you can still have the number one overall pick at one. Your team could draft someone who's very much a number one overall player or they could draft a guy who might be great might just be hurt all the time. It's russian roulette. I hate to sail. You might get a great player. You might get a terrible player. You might be bad again next year. Tank all over again in this sport one player is not like basketball which. I don't want to criticize but one player is not going to fix a fifty three man roster. If you can't stop the run getting one great middle linebacker is not going to fix your problems. Stopping the run. If you can't complete a pass getting one offense of tackle is not gonna make you complete a pass. If you guys can't run the ball. Getting one great running back is not gonna fix that like. You're still going to have issues. You need to build around that ed. You're still drafting with a lion's draft for the most part you're still gonna have those issues gets not. Let's go to draft. Everything's gonna be okay like you have to draft propylene sign proper free agents and like hopefully who over the lions have is our head coach whether bevill stays on next year whether they get different coach. Whoever it is hopefully they fixed those issues And talk with the about. Open the purse strings a little bit because if they don't then they're still gonna be backless avo well and that's the thing. Lions have been systematically bad and then in the nfl where things can reorder pretty quickly the teams that are consistently good. Well they're systematically good right. It's not about a specific player. It's about a pipeline and a theory of operation that lifts the whole team up. Definitely all right. Let's move onto the pistons. They've made some moves yet. The pistons put out their training camp roster and tipped their hand who's gonna be starting at what position the olympics that they have not really talked about. It's shooting guard but the starting point guard is definitely going to be killing as the number one draft. They took this year. starting small. forward is definitely gonna be. Jeremy grants who. They devoted a lot of money to out of denver his team man denver and now teammate. Detroit mason plumlee will definitely starting center as he works grade the pick and roll and he can help. Teach gillian as someone who's really good in the pick and roll how to like work and of course powerful be blake griffin healthy. He'll always be in the starting position and having him. There will take some pressure off of gilead as is a young guy who is talented. But we can run. The offense to blake to starts getting pressed. Derrick rose as great as his resurgence has been in. Detroit will come off the bench because just kind of how it works. Best for him. It allows him to attack and not have to be can still point guard. He's so get a look to get the ball to other people but allows them to just go nose forward attack the hoop get points for himself and opened up. Everybody else doesn't have to then push clout out. As i said before the one position that people are worried about that have not announced really shooting guard the options. They have our cdc bay who probably won't start their draft. Picks this year rodney mcgruder. Who i don't really rate highly as a player. He's been around the nba for a while and like good for him that he's been able to stay in the nba find teams to play on raised. Never really contributed heavy minutes. So that's a little worrisome. Liangelo ball which. Just no i'm not even get entertain that i'm not gonna not funny to anybody. They have won last year. Players fee nikolic who played at kansas. Play for the lakers for a little bit cambridge. Detroit showed some three point. He's a good. She's a nice shooter. he just hasn't been able to shoot as much. Because it's roles filled by luke. Kennard with luke kuhn are now in brooklyn. He should get more chances to shoot while his shooting his great his defense has not so we will see about that and last who is kind of a long shot because he's more of a small forward hometown kid. Josh jackson who went to kansas instead of michigan state and then went to phoenix suns out of the draft and then kind of bouncing around the league for a little bit. He's a nice long blair. Decent defender can get his own bucket when he's really only played really. Bad teams are going to be great or their bid cohesive team. He's played for if he were to start as a shooting guard. Be they'd be playing the big game. I think he's probably going to be the second or third option off the edge of a small forward. If i had to choose at probably thing is going to be. They need someone who's designated as a shooter in the starting lineup and everyone who is out there right now is really more of pick and roll. Get the ball cut to the hoop vinnie. Someone who can keep a defense honest and open so they can have those lanes to go through all right. Let's move on to college sports. It was announced tuesday that the university of michigan is canceling their game against ohio. state university. This is to rising covid nineteen cases. This rivalry has been playing every year since nineteen seventeen. This also might deny ohio state that six game that they need in order to compete for the big ten championship although that might get changed by big ten officials jim. Harbaugh does not wanna play this game. He just doesn't. I know it's like this is our rival. This game look forward to all season whether he loses a nail biter whether he loses you know by a wide margin. He's not coming back next year. And on the flip side about having to play six games. It'd be the perfect sheldon food from michigan fan. Say you know what we're not gonna play. We'll take the loss but also you don't get to play either and it would deprive ohio state of playing in the big ten championship which would probably deprived playing in the national championship. Well moving on to michigan state and speaking of ohio state. 'cause you know. They took michigan state. Like to town on saturday and it wasn't pretty close. It's almost not remarkable. But yeah that was something else. And then michigan. State has penn state this weekend honestly most michigan state. Football fans aren't even focused on. She stay only more basketball started. They're like okay. We already won the game. We needed to win this season. we're fine. We knew it was going to happen. I've talked to numerous michigan day. Fans talked to numerous mission fans and literally known a michigan state of the phantom. That was like we expected to lose this. We expect to justin feels to have like no pun intended a field day on our defense and he definitely did and kudos to him. Talented quarterback and don't really know what you expect if we're focused on michigan state basketball. Let's just talk about michigan state bats and let's talk about that and then get to u. of m. basketball and get out the door. Tom izzo has his historic first. Has his first win over the university of duke. Men's basketball team at cameron indoors as they beat duke this past week albeit it was different because the cameron crazies. Which would nukes fans call themselves. They were not very the game. Obviously so but still a win is a win. They looked pretty good doing it. That a few issues with making a few easy lay ups. But that's kind of college basketball. Will they wanted to hunker down on played hard which is good to see. Afterwards they play detroit mercy who definitely while they are titans a name or definitely not tides in college basketball anymore and struggle. Do pull away from them until the end of the game. Which is a little worrisome. But if they get up to the big game to get a little down smaller games you have to really worry that much too. Good to see that rocket. Watts established himself as the starting point guard because while everyone and michigan state loves foster lawyer he is not the point guard for big moments as shown no disrespect to him but he looks like he's afraid to shoot the ball sometimes and you can't be afraid to shoot the ball when you're playing against another nationally ranked team right coming up for them. They play virginia another nationally ranked team and it's important because transfer student. Joey hauser who joined last year is trying to get him to play. It did not work out. He plays his brother. Sam hauser who plays for virginia both played from our cat two years ago. Both decide to leave both came to marquette highly recruited. They're both stretch force shooting power. Forwards pro probably matched up against each other. They'll be an interesting thing to watch. They play their next game against virginia. Well let's talk michigan basketball. We were going to chat about a game against north carolina state on wednesday but the game has been postponed due to covid nineteen concerns. There's been a schedule switch up you going to host toledo instead at six pm at chrysler center I mean i feel like the schedules just going to switch around like this. And we're just gonna have like well here. We play this week. Yeah that's kind of our team is going to be for most teams regardless of the sport. If they can't get a game together with his most play. They're going to try to find someone closer. Who has the space to play and who can make the travel or a combination travel shuts short notice. Which would it kind of looks like here. Because north carolina state is not closed. Michigan at all and lido is essentially michigan depending on the us. So make sense. Hopefully michigan while still undefeated and we're gonna see how they can bounce back after playing a really really poor game against oakland i. I saw some people online talking about. Why's it michigan stored. Ashley ranked their undefeated mike while they are undefeated oakland who lost savior by fifty one points. Fifty one points in a game of oakland took them a triple overtime which is like not good and again. No disrespect to grad camp. Because he runs a great program out there. They're just not having a good year currently but fifty one points. You should not be triple overtime with that team. Especially with all the high recruits you have. My guess is that they're not going to go up too much in the rankings. Either because the wolverines haven't played the rockets since nineteen eighty three. Though i mean this is this is like i feel like this is like a pickup game. Where like your buddy like called off and you just like called up that one friend that you don't really like to talk to that much kind of i expect michigan to win this game. I expect as a livers to help. Steer them going up. Expect their freshman center to continue to have a great season. He's having. I don't expect for them to beat toledo unless they beat them like one hundred to one i don't expect them to shift their rankings. Very much If they beat them hundred to one. That's a gambling issue like. That's not we need to investigate that. Immediately someone's blowing lamps on purpose. That's never going to happen but beat the my regular score. I just don't see them going up if they lose it toledo. I don't see them being raped for a minute. But i also expected to lose their talented basketball team. They're a bit more ballots. Were last year base after just maintain and try to keep their tempers in check. Going forward well fletcher sharp. Thank you so much for your insights as always you can follow him on twitter at saint. Fd w. and toxic thanks to cheyenne no sereni for editing this episode incoming attractions archaeologist and author. Mickey lions will join me friday for a fun chat about the longstanding american tradition of bending the rules how everything is new again with the pandemic response especially like anti massacres and all that stuff. It's a good bit of detroit history as well and of course. Thanks so much to you for listening to your daily detroit. I'm jerry stays to care of each other and we'll talk soon.

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18-Team Weekend Wrap-Up

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18-Team Weekend Wrap-Up

"Are this could be a massive episode here. We promised you that we were going to talk about twenty teams tonight and as our what. i think. We have too much detailed even to do that. But we're going to try get through as many as we can before we go completely insane as we mentioned On the christmas episode those ten teams are not gonna talk about very much. If at all and we're gonna try and catch you up on games mostly from saturday that involved. The twenty teams. That did not play on christmas. We'll get to some sunday's action as well. Let's begin with the first game on saturday. A little matinee and a fun one too. Great point guards matching up. Trae young and jon mirant. Atlanta takes it to a no. I think you feel pretty good as atlanta given all their injuries to have started to an here. Yeah absolutely i mean. They've been missing an incredible. They're both the centers that we expect to be in the rotation cappella kong who have not played yet but also it's an old gala. Nari did not play in their win over the memphis grizzlies and so yeah sounds like a foot injury for for gallo by the ways and so and then rondo and christina also both unavailable tony snell is unavailable. We don't know exactly where he will fit in the rotation at full strength but yeah it was. It was really eighteen effort. We'll talk plenty about trae young. But i also i can place that i kind of want to start was in that memphis game. They got some really nice minutes. From kevin herger and nathan nathan knights on a two way and remember that that change in the rotation. Because they're just much guys night fourteen points on four or five from the field including a couple of made threes and then hurt her because of the kind of the shuffling of everything. He had a big role in the bench minutes. Twenty one points on eight to twelve from the field and plus fourteen in twenty seven minutes and part of that was. I thought that her and the hawks minutes part of it was kinda. We'll talk about them. In memphis in conjunction memphis continued especially in the first half to not generate anything. John was off the floor. Yeah that was really difficult. And they ended up being negative eight when he was off the floor. They switch things up in the second. Half to put in yoenis fell with that bench group. Orgy jiang was negative. Fourteen in the first half did not play in the second so they basically just staggered valentinus and brandon. Clark plane clarke more at the five in the second half So it was a little bit better in the second half there were like negative fourteen in the first half when jaw was on the bench and so that was pretty rough. We thought that the return of thomas jones could cure. What ails them from the bubble. But i think also clark not being the same guy that he has been. He's got a slow start to the year. Miss a couple of preseason games due to groin surgery. That memphis are not surgery but an injury. The memphis broadcasts was talking about how he was having trouble with. Didn't seem to have as usual pop. Particularly on those preferred floaters that he shouted unsustainable percentage on. He was like. I think over fifty percent on floaters last year. And that's good. Shot for him but he nobody's gonna shoot over. Fifty percent floaters year after year. So those the big problem and the hawks in you talked about it and their depth really was something that you are really worried about with rod out playing either but with herder. Got good minutes out of brandon goodwin and then night. I thought he was a revelation. I mean for. Shoot the ball. The way he did he is as no idea what he's doing on a two way but he's really athletic to know kind of a small ball center type of but maybe someone who can play some four as well. I thought the most amusing play involving him was he comes into the game immediately in the second half and has no idea where to stand trae young inbounding the ball on the baseline the like ten seconds on the shot clock. Finally they get him lined up in the opposite corner and the play was for him to come in and actually get an alleyoop but he didn't even know the play call the paco's for him which was kind of funny but he's if you could shoot it like that and as pretty intriguing athletes video. He's up top of the square on alleyoop That's a had a pretty impressive series of athletic plays around the room so yeah fourteen points. Nine minutes for him You can't complain about that. If you're the ox and the hawks also in in that game really good minutes from deondraye hunter and hundred had a rough rookie season member. Who was a little bit older rookie coming out of virginia and looks much improved and we wondered with a lot of these delete eight. What was what was going to be the case. It looks more confident. I would say offensively and defensively defense was like all was supposed to be the calling card for him back when he was drafted and he did a really nice job on jam rant at one time and then also did some nice work on dillon brooks. I thought so yeah. He's blocked mirant from behind on a drive brooks made him look real bad at at times also had a beautiful pure wedding driver on kyle. Anderson is a pretty good defender for a left handed spin move in a semi transition situation. So he's had a couple of real nice games now and yes. He was the number four pick and probably doesn't have the upside of most number four picks but the idea of bringing him in was that he was such a good fit even made a couple of plays in health defense as wall. So i just a little bit more playmaking than we'd seen for him. Just look more comfortable. Look good athletically and so good. Start to the season for him. We'll see we can keep it up obviously s last year he had said struggles and obviously trae on would be remiss in not discussing his game. he not have the three ball working as he did in that. First game against the bulls was only one out of seven. But just the bullshit. Drawing is absolutely ridiculous for him. And if he's going to be rewarded for that more power to him. And his up against dillon. Brooks was not a fair fight in terms of the foul drying versus foul committing the that's the irresistible force against the movable. Object to on that one and doing brooks committed three really bad fouls on him in the fourth quarter and no one could really contain trae at times it was job was basically anybody they put so trae young fourteen free throw attempts against chicago in reduced minutes. Seventeen free throw zero temps against the grizzlies. And he's a group free. Throw shooter so if that continues to be part of it and it's a mix of the dark arts you know guy kind of contact everything else. Also trae young getting enough separation that creates creates the possibility. Some of those things happening so he. He's looking to me. He's looking great so far. At least offensively. You know the defenses. Still what it is yeah. I mean they've had to acceptable defense of games. He has turtle now worth noting that john was guarding him for a fair amount of time and he certainly was not guarding job but he just uses his threat of that great. Pull up shot that great floater. You feel like if you're guarding him. You have to stay with them. Stay on his back. If you give them an interspace he's gonna pull it. But then he also will use as the constraint you running up his back in and use that to draw fouls as well and obviously he accentuates contact extremely well and also his passing is just ridiculously. He does not miss guys and at his size to be as good of a passer. As we've talked about this how hard it is to be a great passer of because you can't see over the defense and you just don't have as many passing angles as you do. If you're a luka doncic size or lebron james is james harden size just when guys would slip open back door. It looked really really good and he was able to find. It will find. John collins slipping behind the defense. So there's just not a lot that you can do with him. And i'm very interested to see what kind of a year he has and if they do get into the playoffs how he fares as a playoff player One other things. The transition from atlanta to memphis i. I was struck during this game and in their last preseason game against each of these teams played so many times already that i could see java rant in some ways having a similar year in terms of like play plus reputation to trae young. Did last year where he has this very nice individual season. But it gets lost. A little bit in the shuffle. Just because the grizzlies aren't quite good enough to have that sort of residents like you. And i both argued. The trae young deserved all nba consideration. I don't know the jaws gonna get all the way to the hat. But i think he's he's still on the kind of on pace for really good year but generally speaking the those plaudits. If we're going to talk about in terms of the actual words that generally goes to players who did it on on successful team And memphis needs jaren jackson. Back you know brooks is eight out of twenty three three of eleven from three only nineteen point zero free throw attempts as well so He he at least he could get to the line for as much as he falls and of course he found out of this one as well in mirant he certainly a very good game for him. Twenty eight points tended twenty one. He did i think they did a lot of switching and his defense. He made a couple of pretty bad just where he would switch onto a guy and then just stopped guarding him. And john collins rolled right to the basket for a dunk on that he was guarding. Kevin hurt or one time and hurt her just moved a little bit and got wide open for three guest judges sort of like after the switch with zoning up and then zoned out. Frankly depth things. We should mention for the grisha. Dnc melton didn't play in that game against the hawks due to health and safety protocols and that was another reason why the the memphis bench they were lying in the first iteration a lot on thais jones secrete and they. I think they ran into a problem beyond trae. Young's awesomeness in the fourth quarter. Where the more starters you have to pull to play with the second unit to finding that is whenever tom sitting those guys are if you want them to also closed. Those guys are going to need to rest. They're going to be a little bit tired. And i thought that was part of why memphis was a little flat late. I called this the miratec problem thinking back to you know keith. Bogans is the play the very beginning and then sit the rest of the time. Mirrored was the guy who replaced him and then played the whole rest. Well if you have to play the entire rest of the quarter or anything. You're not going to have enough juice for the very end of the game. Especially if those are physically demanding minutes with the timeout reform. That's happened sometimes. Those are long stretches of time without a lot of stoppages depending on bonuses and all that stuff khobar grizz notes They've struggled for spacing. Obviously that's a they just don't have enough guys so spread the floor for and it also doesn't help do the job. You can kinda still go under on him at times as well. He's took seven three point attempts and made to but he's still not really comfortable from there. One thing that they can do though to open up a little more space is they'll run that forty five. Set that the clippers popularized back in the two thousand fifteen playoffs where you just have the four and five run up to half court and set basically an impenetrable screen both standing at nine degrees. There's just no way for the guy to get through it and then you force both. The opposing team's four and five man to get out on the floor and then that create some space behind them. If you have a fast point. Guard chris paul and deandre jordan blake griffin. Did that and now there are a lot of teams run but it works really well when you don't have great shooting at the four and five to still create a little bit of space on the floor and trae young did get into it again with grayson allen after they had had an altercation in preseason he and in summer league when they were both rookies had forgotten about that. So grayson allen apparently Kind of stuck the leg out a little bit in a late game Must follow situation which trae re tweeted and then grace announcer castelli asked him if he heard him or not. Oh another way. That memphis could improve the spacing. I'm not saying he's the overall level player yet. I like desmond. Bain and the aforementioned grayson allen like you don't really need his like the playmaking part that he's shown in alan will be better than he has been in memphis i losses but i think just having a guy who will take. Those shots is a real benefit especially with jaren jackson out. So maybe shifting maybe shifting bane a little bit and then having grayson allen as a secondary playmaker along with titus if inlet. Maybe i mean they've been using kyle anderson who's played. Well they did that in in the second half brooks can do some of that too. But i think that might be something worth considering. Yeah bain showed a little too or two from three not as been aggressive. 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With the pistons having watched a fair amount of both of their games so far the loss to the lost to minnesota in the cleveland is the challenge. That wayne casey has and you. And i like we. Sometimes we about the coherence of the front office and coaching everything else. In between casey true weaver drafts killian. Hayes and killing hayes is starting for them but hayes in both of those games has played fewer minister. Derrick rose who was extensively backing him up partially. Because i think doing casey wants to win games. That's always going to keep his job and everything else. And he knows that killing as isn't gonna help with that as much. Yeah and supposedly james edwards of the athletic talked about this when we did the pistons outlook that they understand that it's a rebuilding situation. Now y you sign mason plumlee and go after jeremy grant is a question and don't mind christian would who is a better fit for that then the guys that you sign. Yeah we'll we'll be talking about christian would rather extensively later on but Looking like a bit of a mistake. That detroit Did not make more aggressive attempt to resign him in from what i understand. That was not It was not as aggressive as houston. we'll put it that way. So let's talk about detroit though ankle. But i mean we can kinda mix in here but this is andre drummond. Return to detroit. I'm sure that there is no space at all in the media section because Big free agent leaves detroit. They gotta be real stingy with those media seats but drummond in the cavs end up winning this game in double overtime. He plays forty four minutes in some some of the just. The box were lines from this game. Were totally insane and it was just as insane to watch them. Being compiled yes. Let so. here's germans. Line twenty three points sixteen rebounds five assists four steals three blocks four turnovers seven of twenty one from the field over two from three nine of fourteen from the line and only two fouls plus ten in forty four minutes in double overtime. And i mean that's that's just for a center to have twenty three points on twenty eight shooting possessions in a game and then like the steals and blocks to's just it was totally insane. It was doing some nice things at times. Like they're down eight. The cleveland is with three minutes to go and regulation and drummond started getting some deep post ups early in possessions getting fouled making a reasonable about of his free throws and that was a big part of how got back into it they were able to hold down the pistons. In crunch time and german was a good part of that he was able to switch out on blake griffin who is really on fire and do a decent job on him towards the end of the game but then like anytime. He faces up an attempt to drive. I mean it's just a disaster to any like some of these turnovers are just completely insane. They are and also consider that drummond. You brought up the shooting from the field of seven of twenty one he was. I think it's probably zero for seven. I think one of them was a heave on shots outside the restricted area. And that's that is kind of a part of the the drummond experience going even back to like. When he was a prospect was how how willing is to do the things that he is supposed to be doing or or or at least only doing those things. I guess that's probably a better way to put it. And so that was taking terrible shots of that was also just like those turnovers as you mentioned. So but he did do a nice job defensively. I mean three and four steals again. Drummond is not like an unbelievable defensive player but compared to what the calves that have had for rim protection over the last few years. What if one of the other ridiculous things about this game was the pistons. Putting up a ninety seven basically offensive rating in a game when blake griffin was was eight of nine from three originally the pistons just sixteen of forty five from three but they shot forty five percent on onto and so they said they had a sub one hundred offensive rating and they kick the ball over the turn of twenty two turnovers. Derrick rose was. I mean i think there were five pistons who had three or more turnovers in this game and rose had six. He really struggled down the end of The two overtimes but yet blake. Griffin's starts eight of nine three. I think he missed his last seven. And the cavs announcers noted it. They should also probably look at the power forward in their own team for this As well but blaker just did not to go inside the argues one of five inside the fish nine out of twenty one but eight hundred sixteen three and again deserves so much credit for the fact that he's been able to get his three pointer this like early on. They were not switching the screens involving him and just going under and used just banging threes off the dribble or they would run some quick handoff sets and then he would pop back out to the three point line and it was absolutely on fire but the had lost explosion even in that all nba season that he had in twenty nineteen. But now i mean he really just could not get to the basket at all. Even being guarded by kevin love and so he's going to have worse three point shooting games than this and there's a lot of talk like okay. Maybe play well enough to get traded to a contender but given his defensive limitations and the fact that he's kind of just becoming you know he's a good passer and can handle the ball and can shoot it but you know that he's not really somebody who's going to be able to attack one on one it looks like anymore I think it's going to be a hard sell to move him to a contender. Given the salary that he's at right now what are the other challenges that the pistons faced. I said there were sixteen to forty five from the from from three overall. Their guards were four. Fourteen spe- one of six rose one to to write to a three and then killing hayes missed all three of his it was who was blake griffin and jeremy grant that we're actually making their threes. But i i mean the other kind of part of this coin. I the first place cavs cleveland. We had a couple of different parts. And you i think you went over on them. And i went under. And that's right baby and i i think so. One of the big parts for cleveland has been having drummond in jail. Mcgee gives them forty minutes of competence center play and that also means that jeb bickerstaff doesn't have to go to nancy love and center unless he wants to which is useful but also significant improvement from scarlet in context. Yeah both of them have looked really good in the cavs played today by the way and also had a really nice when they blew out the sixers. San joel embiid a but in this one. I didn't watch that game but in this one garland three of three from three twenty one points nine of fourteen and i thought he did a really nice job he he's starting to show these flashes of really cool ball handling at times. Some trae young steph curry type stuff when he's splitting pick and rolls starting to play with a little bit more flair and the three of three from three. He's coming off the pick and roll. He gets a high enough screen and he's becoming a threat now off the dribble and it's gonna take a while he's going to need to prove it for a lot longer than three games that he's a big threat there but if now you can force teams to get out on the floor guarding him and pick and roll. That's going to open up a lot. And there are times when mason plumlee had to do that and garland was able to give them the little head fake and blow by and get to the rim and finishing me most encouraging for garlan is to just be six of eleven on twos when he just was not able to generate good two point looks for the vast majority of last year so i mean he's had The first game a lot of it was in garbage time against the hornets but two of his three best games are probably the two best games as a pro. I would say also twelve assists in this game so that that was really impressive. context only at three assists. But when you have garland out there to pass it a little bit drummond when he decides to pass could be decent kevin love. They're running a little bit of stuff through him as well. That's one of the things that's been such a struggle for this team. So they're going to really be pretty bad on defense still respectable there now though. It looks like em. We'll see whether sex in garland john sexton another just continuing to be incredibly efficient and well. It helps in that in the gave spits sixty took seventy shots in the restricted area and five jump shots and it was twelve of eighteen in the pain overall. I took one one wapping one from florida. Range and that penetration was working well and it wasn't producing assists as much but it was. You know getting getting his shots around the basket. Got a whopping one free. Throw in in that game but that but if you're getting thirty two points on twenty three shooting possessions. You're you're totally okay with that and i and i think sexton is taken Grown a little bit on defense. I'm still not getting all the way there. And then. I was abused early in the game. I was watching on the detroit feet. The announcers referred to jedi osman as the cavs new kyle korver. I was just like oh god. That's hilarious but osman issue shooting four of seven from three in the game three to six on opening right right. Yeah yeah so. Like eddie was thirty percent on about five per game last year. Thirty five percent on five per game the year before. So i don't think it. Is you know in that caliber. But it is something that we can do and fortunately with you know looking like more competent play overall in the lineup. They don't need to be a ton if a coral can be competent competent player for them especially defensively and then the guards are doing better than osman playing. You know fifteen to twenty minutes a game. Not as big deal. Yeah and we'll see what this team looks. Like when kevin puerto junior comes back and he's going to fit in to the small ford rotation maybe he'll dante exum played thirteen minutes. Maybe poured we'll take some of his minutes. A coral actually played forty two but looked more like you might have expected him to look up. Only two four shots and forty. Two minutes was over three But plus sixteen. Despite failing to score and jill bill mcgee. It's good. it's good to see him on this team as well again. Another guy who's at least as played competent basketball at center and his nba career. Yeah and i think that's a big helping of the capable stewardship and more with point guard than anything else. But really at any position and senator you can think about a defensively does make a huge difference and you wanna take a bit to talk about the game that we're gonna that we're gonna do in a few hours hawks pistons. Oh yeah for sure. Now we're going to do this every week. Works out great. That were we record our public episode on sundays. And keep in mind. This will be your last chance to see us. Free of the we certainly encourage you to sign up for nba league past digital and join us there. You just click on the game on. Mba dot com. Click on watch. Click on influence or cast. And you'll get us talking throughout the game with the game right there in the window now having to sync up or anything like on the old school nba. So obviously it's going to start with how the pistons are gonna guard. Trae young and i would imagine they will do so by trying to get mason plumlee out on the floor where i think he's a little bit more comfortable defensively in those pick and rolls But i would expect trae young to draw fair number of fouls on plumbly. And then you really. I don't know what detroit is gonna do. Especially because they like. The hawks like to bring trae young. In for three. Stints and to against backups. So jalil okeafor. They've gone with blake griffin at center with boya at the four they tried that after plumbly fouled out in that cleveland game Maybe what they'll do is. They'll try to put jeremy grant on john collins so that they can then switched up with trailing. That would probably be what i would try at first and we'll see whether they'll try to involve blake griffin in these actions as well but i mean that's going to be the number one problem and for a team like the pistons. Trae young is going to cause all kinds of problems he is. And what approach the pistons us as you said is going to be interesting. But i'm also gonna be fascinating to see. i brought this up before with detroit troy. Weaver put this team together. They will have some advantages against the hawks remember. The hawks are still going to be short handed terms the front court. We don't know exactly how shorthanded as as we're recording this on sunday but that will be so will they put more pressure on the into your than detroit. Did in their in their double overtime loss to the cavs. Will they go after you kind of. Try to try to get more initial penetration in draw fouls on john collins collins can be prone to that. Will we see to a player. Nathan night do anything so i'm really interested in in what kind of the pistons identity is offensively and then also something. We've seen in the hawks. Two games is how does pierce one. Run the rotation Kevin herder did a really nice job coming off the bench initiating offense but if gallon is available member he was a gametime scratch in the memphis. One so maybe he will be available on others of news. Actually clink apollo has been upgraded to probable. Oh great for us. So that's something. I'm really sad to see. Because that will be capellas. First regular season game with the atlanta hawks his i it's been left. Achilles soreness that's been the issue from so i imagine he'll warm up and then if everything's fine they'll they'll bring them out to to start. You would think and then it gallo is questionable. So you imagine they'll probably start cappella and john collins and if gal can play come off the bench. Yeah so i am very excited to see how these two teams square off and if atlanta is going to be a playoff team in the eastern conference. They need to handle their business if the pistons want to be viable than they need to win games. Like this to then for the hawks defensively how to deal with. Derrick rose how to deal with blake griffin it will be interesting i think collins matching up with griffin's notice the most attentive defender so getting out on the floor having a guard him. I think it could be an issue and then dirk rose getting to the rim will see whether the hawks rim protection that can deal with that and how much. They're going to try to shrink the floor. They're a young team. They may not do it as well in terms of knowing the scouting report as we've seen some other teams do against the two young teams also shrunk the floor against the pistons as welcome. There was something that really was a problem for the pistons and the overtime not only mentioned dirk roseau of turnovers and part of the issue was that they had deal and write 'em grant and sometimes plumlee out on the floor and while grant shot it well in that cleveland game right is just not really much of a shooter. And so he's they're going to help off a him a lot generally so generating offense for the pistons might be a struggle in this one but at least they are yeah. Both teams should be fresh. Replayed today on sunday you can get the absolute best part of fantasy basketball. The draft right. That's what you want. You don't want in-season management constantly checking the waiver wire agonizing over sit start try underdog fantasy and in their best ball game draft a team like you normally do. 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Oh casey i mean that that another another game on saturday that featuring to to non christmas day teams and the hornets ended up losing this one though they won on sunday against the brooklyn nets one of the stunning sunday games. One of many and shakiness alexander hit a game winner for two of his twenty four points. Eight of twenty from from the field overall seven of ten from the line and unfortunately this happened actually had previously. but it's worth kind of talking about cody. Zeller broke his hand and so he is out at least a month per rick bottle beat biz back on both starting his place also on sunday. Pj washington suffered what is being deemed a minor. Right ankle sprain so we'll have to see what his availability is moving forward but the hornets are now one into. Yeah they beat brooklyn in close one after this loss to okay see which i think would be considered pretty disappointing but not disappointing was the fact that lamelo ball had a nice game after a really ugly debut which we talked about ball was able to score. Thirteen points came out really firing. I think he was not happy with that. Goose egg next. I wanna say he had all thirteen is points in the first. He came out with too deep threes from above the break. Finish two of four from three also had a hard drive. Only one assist. I continue to be impressed by his activity on the defensive glass and also just as a help defender capping off of his man getting into the passing lanes. So i think. I don't think he's going to be some huge defensive liability. I think he's gonna be okay there and you know the two. Big questions are gonna be simply. Does the jump shot. Go in and i can't get to the foul. That's gonna be a big question as well. He's not he needs to get better at changing speeds. I was really happy to see in. Preseason it was awful but he actually busted out that seventeen foot floater that we saw on the australian league and that looked pretty good. He was like even a step further out than trae. Young will take it from But that looked confident and went in so good game for him But charlotte had a very odd game. They actually shot it better from three forty one percent than they did from to. And it's not like the oklahoma city. Thunder is unbelievable. Rim projecting team. It's just that the hornets are not a great team. A attacking the basket. Lou made gordon hayward life absolutely miserable when they were matched up as well. And so and devante. Graham terry rosiere me both of those guys who are really going to struggle inside the Rosiere after that forty two point game with ten threes in the first one Fell back to earth although he did lead the team with nineteen points mouth bridges. I thought had one of the better games of his gre- looked pretty decent. Moving is speed actually at a couple of verticality plays defensively at the rim and then crazily went four of four from three three of three in the last minute of the game. The hornets are crazy. This is totally insane. They're down nine with like you know a minute three remaining and then they come back to tie it with like twenty seconds left. They scored twelve points in like a thirty second period. Like they t- backed oklahoma city and that was reminded me a teeny bit of that crazy bulls game from last year. Oh yeah yeah. zach levine. Twelve three point although they they only got twelve points and thirty three seconds. Thirteen but Do get a four point. Play like t. Mac did but And bridges had three of those all of which were wide open. The hornets were being gifted pretty wide open shots by oklahoma city late but then shake just alexander came down and hit a pretty sweet game winner of his own he led. Okay see with twenty four point and also worth noting though it was not in the game. I focused on hayward twenty eight points. Six rebounds seven assists in their two point win over the nets. Though that was really a four point win where there was a a buzzer beating layup. That didn't really affect the line. Kind of do haunt esque in respect and while we're getting we're getting the old school references in now and and i liked i liked purchased as well. I think that the the hornets not meeting as much from him is probably a good thing. Overall like i don't know if he skills into being a starting caliber four though. I'm not gonna foreclosed for bridges but having so being a third being third forward for at least for now. I think that's i think that's fine. The jump shot. It's not always gonna look as good as it did during the last minute of that. Okay see game. But i'm encouraged overall and something that you noticed which is a really good point kind of shifting a little bit to the thunder who are only wanna know because their first game was postponed by the nba was a shift that we often see. Is that when a player becomes higher usage on offense there will be downgrades and other parts of their game because they just have to use so much more of their energy to create. Those looks really stuck out to me with shade Alexander in the first quarter where he had a sequence where he went hard to the basket two times in a row and then he was just completely exhausted and got blown by on the other end and you know those after a long period of play obviously but she really struggled on defense in that rocket series last year and is he's just not as good as saying in front of people as you'd like but that's what this season's going to be about for him. It's going to be about him exploring his ceiling as an offensive player and while he did miss a few free throws late Let the hornets get back into it and tie it. After they were up nine. That game winner looked really good. They actually ran the length of the floor. Mark did not call that out and going up against terry rozier goes zander court and broke his ankles with a beautiful in and out dribble and across over left to right and wide open for a long to it marked contrast what we saw from jayson tatum. Today you don't need a three pointer when you're either dowd. Won or tied at the end of the game. And so just one of the time when yep absolutely go ahead and step in to nineteen feet. Make your shot a little easier. All you need is just some sort of a bucket and he got it so really. Nice game winner from him. A george hill was awesome s game. Kim continued his streak of hitting every regular season three pointer by hitting flora four in his first game. Yeah and he even had a chance to go one on one a little bit as well against the hornets. Twenty one points on eight of nine for hill though. He also missed a late free. Throw that almost punted. The game away. I'm sure san presi once again. Mike wisco- fourteen points. You just killed them on these. We'll look back on this game But but in any event we in fact will not look back on this game. Yes so you know. I thought it was interesting l. Horford only three point one out of five. I don't it's clear that he's not going to be featured too much offensively. Only oh for two from three and certainly still a decent player and he's far better than any other bigs that they have on this team. And then what really killed oklahoma city. At least i thought it was going to in the i was they bring in that second unit. And it's the go to a five-man bench group taylor. And how do diablo can williams Alexi pushes poker chef ski who actually turned nineteen on the day of this game and then mascola and that group is just gonna really really struggle like ma. Don was negative. Sixteen poker chefs was negative. Thirteen eight it's a shame krzyzewski. Didn't get to play a little bit more. Because he might have shot his number. In this one yeah. He was six all six of his attempts from three and like we talked about. He had a few flashes in preseason. I talked about that with royce. But it's gonna be quite a work in progress for him. Really liked what. I saw from lewd dort and this game and mentioned how he really you know. He's one of the best individual defenders in the league already and is one of four from three but just the aggression with which he drives the ball and sometimes guys are going to go. Vertical on him and make a mess. Sometimes they'll even get his own rebound off these but he is just such a strong powerful driver that especially against a team like the hornets. That doesn't have great help and doesn't have great rim protection. He almost doesn't need to shoot it that while he can have his own gravity. Just because if you catch you throw the ball to him. And he catches with in front of he's just going to plow his way to the rim every time so You know george hill comfortable twenty four minutes and al horford comfortable twenty nine minutes in this one and they ended up winning anyway. Darius bazeley also look pretty good with fifteen points in this. He's really kind of their secondary score now in the in the starting lineup so good focus to get a win and have their young guys. Mostly powering it. But they'll and they did it even only shooting ten out of thirty six from three when you consider that they were ten out of thirty six from three although they have no three point shooters so. That's not a huge shocker. And if you take out george l. They were four or six thirty two. But i think It was just a much bigger blow out than it appeared because a the hornets made that crazy comeback late and be the warning shot. Forty one percents from three in o'casey shot twenty eight percent so good solid win and goodwin for the hornets on a back to back against brooklyn. Who'd been killing people as well. I mean this is today was a crazy day. This is going to be a crazy season all these back to backs lots of resting. I mean we saw this ridiculous sixty point. Blowout from dallas against the clippers with no quiet leonard. It's just a lot of ups and downs the season team. That's hoping to have some up so they can have an up and down season. is the chicago bulls. They are in three and early in his. I didn't watch. I didn't i went intermittently partially because it was just such a horrendous game of basketball i was thinking throughout that bulls warriors was the type of game where like even though the bulls were and to going in where i thought less of them after a win. And then they lost and So a couple of things at the end. I think we'll talk more about chicago. Just wanna mention a couple of a couple of so the bulls the bulls had a had a lead for for basically mo- most of the like that that kind of portion of the game and billy. Donovan has both timeouts going into the final minute steph. Curry gets an one on window carter. It looked to me like clear. Foul and billy donovan challenges. It and loses the challenge. So i mean yeah if you can get the points off the board a shirt. That's obviously a great thing but doesn't loses that tim out and also i mean it was it would have just been one point as well. There's no possibility of like oh it was. It wasn't an offensive foul. That's that's fair Then a little bit. After that the warriors tied the game bulls have the ball with the shot clock off and tie game. So there's really only one thing to do and while you and i lament ice. Oh ball in many forms one true merit of it is that if you have to take the shot and make sure that there is no opportunity for the other team to do it. It is pretty easy to do because you just and they ever corporate attitude and zach levine. And the worst had want to guard him. And so instead. Zach levine goes too early shoots with about seven seconds left makes the shot with about five seconds left and so the warriors get the ball because and they still have the still have time outlook so they move it to him down ball now. I haven't counted out. I think i think it was a five second call but the ref sometimes miss that and the bulls were very cognizant. They're up to very cognizant of steph curry shooting three to to end the game. And so they're they're focused on him. And then i actually didn't think the bulls defended damian lead to poorly. They dropped under on him but it was also. It was a very tight situation. I understood it wasn't it wasn't enough time for him to turn the corner and get it exactly. And so you're and you're you're thinking about the thinking about the possibility of i'm taking you to this five seconds like you have time to actually do something there and damien. Instead pulls the three and wins the game now the bulls are open three. Yeah and leo's nice moment for him and we're not talking about the warriors who really but it was a nice moment for him just and that he did it in the way of just understanding basketball moving hard without the ball inbounded that he was the in battery inbounded. It got right back and then got into that three pointer. The warriors finally hit few threes But here the problem for the chicago bulls golden state warriors had seventeen steals in this game the bulls had twenty four turnovers including seven Overawed a pretty good game with thirty three points on eleven to twenty three and Lowry market actually had his second straight efficient game. Though ahead an ankle issue late in. And i think it was a calf issue late and leave but twenty three points on seven and thirteen is pretty good. He's shot the ball above fifty percent from three into these games now but going back to this game against the pacers like the bulls are just getting like completely taken out of their offense by any kind of pressure at all. It's just absolutely pathetic. And patrick williams. For example in that indiana game they give up twenty one zero and twenty three to two runs. And who's been very rare that i've seen an nba team looked so an app offensively as they did in that twenty one zero run this is going against like the pacers second unit by the way. So this is tj mckelway. Do i do love the second unit for the record. Yeah but not defensively not defensively. It's tj mcconnell and aaron holiday right those guys kinda scrap scrapple but on the perimeter. But you know not going to overwhelm you with like athleticism. And then they got mcdermott and support us out there and just in holiday and unto plays patrick williams. Just turn the ball over as the inbounder right under his own basket. They're like mcconnell and or pressuring the bulls like can't even get a guy open to run their offense. They had a twelve possession. Stretch with either turned it over. I think on seven of their possessions and they took five really contested midrangers on the other one. It was against. You know this is yes. They're pressuring moore under bjorkman. I really like what bjorkman is doing so far with the team. That's out three and we'll talk about that more. But i really just could not believe how bad the bulls looked at this and then they had another stretch though is exactly the same at the start of the third quarter as well. As the starters miles turner was a monster. He another four blocks in this game after eight in the opener. Forced a bunch. More mrs Anytime demont bonus. Got matched up larry marketing. Who in theory you know. He's got problems with mobility. But you'd think hey at least. We're playing traditional seven. Four four seven footer. at the four could match up. no actually. They had to immediately double team anytime soon. Bonus got martin anonymous instead of carter and than some bonus was carving them up so bonus had thirty two points in that game. And i'm sorry no yet had twenty two points but he got like a bunch of dunks in a row during the twenty one run when they turned it over anyway. Just run down the floor and right down lane for a dunk It was. I was really just like high school level of stuff for the bulls. Where you know. Billy donovan said after the game that they just they had to fight through adversity better. And it's not surprising that he said that to me because they did not look like professionals out there in this giving just some of these incredible mental lapses more often than defensively So they they really seem to be getting into their own head. So far in the bulls played. I guess a little better against the warriors but may probably not honestly considering the the warriors weren't exactly awesome that game either Let's talk about indiana though now. Three know what did you think of the end of that game against the celtics it was. It was wild as it seems like every celtics pacers game in indiana is. I was remembering a game years ago. When i was. There was a turn when there was a late turnover in the celtics got got to pick sex and support us another strong performance so he had twenty ten eleven. Triple double against the bulls nineteen intent on sunday against the celtics thirty two and thirteen in their first game against the next and he basically ended the celtics game great nape yorker in playcall so. The celtics have been switching a lot on bonus. They've been uncomfortable doing really anything else because also because he's a good screener. This is unlike handoff actions with yes. Oh yes and so what they do on that. Last possession is instead of doing the hand. Did you fake ta-chou and so the celtics just get a little bit discombobulated. The hesitation in reaction gives the bonus a path to the basket and he finishes at for became the game. Winning shot ios. Too bad for rob williams who was guarding him. You know he miscommunicated with grant williams on that. Last play of williams had actually been awesome in the last minute. He had a block. He had a great pass to tatum for three. That he missed. That could have put him up. And then williams got a steel on tj. warren jewish. Just jump back court pass. Yeah with On the inbound after indiana actually taking time out to advance the ball up by one and williams knocks away. Marcus smart goes down for layup after double dribbling which wasn't called smart like some kind of weird shoulder thing that was like it was obviously like he couldn't do anything with his left was really oddly uncomfortable for he managed to make the layup so indian is down one and then they go to that faith and that's that they toronto staple as well you can remember years ago. You know joe. Jonas bound shuna speaking the joe. And so bjorkman comes from there and Overall any thoughts on what has changed for indiana so far under bjorkman. I need to watch more to feel totally comfortable about it. But i the offense has had a more kind of amore ganic flow to it. That has been very good and also impressive that they beat the celtics on sunday without victory depot. Playing at all erin. Holiday started in his place and bjorkman only played eight guys and so two to do that against a totally. You know a totally competent celtics team. Though they fall to one to. We're not talking about them today. Because they played on christmas and you know the depth of their they only play guys. But i'll eat of them are totally competent. Mba players mcdermott. Mcconnell and justin holiday came off the bench and then turns into bonus. Turner had a nether five blocks on sunday. Yeah now he Send a nice little message to the celtics about not wanting to trade for a and just quickly on the celtics. They are really hurting for decent perimeter players. Like i think actually they're getting you know they've got decent depth that the big position now especially if you know grant williams and robert williams zinc those guys are okay. You know jeff teague is turned into a pumpkin again at least chased payton. Pritchard jotted wall but there That twenty seven million dollar trade exception might need to be turned into a player pretty soon for the one in two celtics they are or maybe romeo linked frigging comeback and give them something or obviously kemba walker as well so maybe they're just gonna have to ride it out and not have as good of a of a regular season record Back to the pacers. Oh my thoughts. On bjork grim they are trying to shoot fewer midrangers than in the past and they certainly succeeded in that effort on opening night against the knicks. This game though. Boston force them into a few more mid rangers but they forced boston into tournament. Rangers of their own and boston is still going to always be a good principal defensive team. The pace is definitely higher and particularly in that bulls game like just the amount of pressure that they're exerting on the perimeter. They're doing more switching. They're just flying around in a way that they looked like the toronto raptors a little bit obviously For that knowing that bjorn came from toronto but it was all smiles from sa- bonus and malcolm brogdon talking about what it awesome play call. It was and how great it is to have real coaching. You know j. Michael reported that brogden was the least satisfied with nate mcmillan. It's not a surprise that brogden would be talking up bjorkman but everything looking good so far for the pacers and looking like they can be one of the better defenses in the nba. once again. that was a big question that they had some shooting lock last year and there were six thousand in defense and it really look like they had the personnel but certainly if miles turner gonna play like this. And i mean i can't remember. Start the season in terms of blocked like this in a long time. The looking very good where you go next surgery. Let's go to another three. No teams the orlando magic remember. They surprised miami on the full opening night. And then they took a back to back against their bitter southeast division rivals washington wizards and the obesity. The magic had a had a comeback on saturday. Thirty thirty to twenty nine fourth. Quarter to win that game. And then they upped that with a forty three to nineteen fourth quarter in their comeback win on sunday and it was interesting. I didn't hear so. I was flipping between a couple of games. Aaron gordon didn't close the game on sunday. I don't know exactly why what's the deal. What's the deal was there. Were there was something something going on. We'll have to keep an eye on that But marco foltz continuing to play. Well doing as more put at everything but shoot three says three still looks bad like its arms are out in front of his body. It just just doesn't look right still full. Averaging eighteen point five and a half assists so far through these three wins and had some really big baskets late on sunday in particular. Were as the wizards just totally unraveled. Yeah and on. Saturday night russell. Westbrook john wall has even played yet. I'm still ready to declare that at houston one. We'll see how all looks. But i do think that westbrook really has struggled offensively and he sat out the second half the back to back but He was six out of nineteen o four from three to twelve rebounds and fifteen or twelve fifteen rebounds and fifteen points so we did have a good game after all but That hasn't looked amazing. And i mean this is not a great orlando magic offense by any means and they went right after thomas. Brian in crunch time on saturday and amused back happened right afterwards in the same location. And it's tough to win two of those in a row on back to back at home but it wasn't even like the magic are shooting a crazy amount of threes or that they're shooting a crazy percentage from three instead. The orlando magic shot. Thirty seven thirty eight from the foul line in this game and you know. The the wizards fouled terrence ross for eight free throws and he was four seven three at twenty six points to lead the team. Volts has been over twenty points each game. He's still get to the line at all either. That's the only thing that he's not full guys the line i will not you did on on saturday. Yeah not not today Sorry with the fact that they've played each other twice in our. I get confused. And the wiz aren't forcing turnovers. So after it looked like they might be like semi decent defensively after that philly game. Philly couldn't hit a three pointer that now looking weights reverting back to about more like what we expected for them. All the one thing that didn't help washington's defense was thomas. Bryant doing a tip dunk on his own basket. Which was i. It was one of those great romance. Because i happen to not be watching. On saturday and fred katz went completely insane and it doesn't usually do that in that respect and so my oh god i really have to see this and it wasn't as egregious as i thought it was going to be but yeah it was a tip dunk on the basket. He was trying to defend which was and so they gave him it was. I think that's an issue in hockey to like well. Who do you give the goal to if nobody actually scored it so forty it was and so i think he got the credit for it. That is the rule indeed with russell. Westbrook out the wiz went to just in or justin robinson. Nope not just in rumson. That's fred cast previous crush last year. This jerome robinson but the negative sixteen in seven minutes for him but the thing that did work out was whole netto in the starting lineup. Netto went crazy early. Hit three baskets in the very beginning of game ended up With twenty two points ten seventeen from the field most of his damage coming from to where he was eight of nine and beal had beal had a productive game from two but then missed all seven of his three pointers. Which was a part of why. The wizards went a grizzly eight of thirty two from on distance. Yeah and i still think that stop brooks is going to have to work things out with his rotations. Davos protons playing twenty minutes. You'd think they'd like him to play more. I'm not sure whether it's still a conditioning. Issue for emmy did at least play in the back tobacco and troy brown. Another guy who you would think you'd like him to play a little bit more than he is. Isaac bongo has had a pretty nice start to the season shooting from three obvious. Come back to earth a little bit. And i think he got keith. Bogans in saturday's game. But there's a lotta. I will note that he should get to keith bogans. Even if even if it doesn't happen to be working on that day off the important enough in. I think he's competent defensively. Like that's something that the wizard so desperately need and troy brown. If memory serves. I i saw him hit both of his threes and that kind of the end of the at the end of the first quarter and then he. He ended up to his credit making most of his other shots. But i still like there. I see a bunch of issues with one part being that there. I still don't think the roster make sense another part being that. I don't take scott brooks as good coach but so i don't really know how to square this like i went under on them. I continue to believe that that's going to happen. And they have. They have disaster potential too. And when you think about the opportunity costs which we've harped on for multiple years now of basically. What are you keeping bradley beal for. And if this season go south and it looks even worse for tommy sheppard intently ounces. The also. they are still doing this. Actually they didn't do it in the second half on saturday but in the first half they did the ishmael with. How will netto russell westbrook altogether lineup again. It didn't go incredibly well either. So i hopefully that is now something that can be. Consigned to the dustbin of history. But now today was a good idea to even do it for two games. I don't really understand what the point of that was and for the magic. Just checking in on their rookies quickly. Chew kiki's been planning about fifteen minutes. A game hasn't really scored or done much. Offensively and cool. Anthony has been below fifty percent from the field but playing reasonably while he had twelve points on sunday. We're going to exer- let's talk. Rockets blazers are only game. The only game the houston rockets played this year. And the only game. The blazers wanna talk about that. They played this year. Yeah so i mean we gotta start with christian would and obviously james harden was great with forty four and seventeen but you know he kinda looked like himself out there. Little heavier but Team might the player's gonna struggle to stop him and but would to me what was most revelatory about. His performance is what he's able to do as a face up score. They actually staggered him from harden. Because i mean do. Do you want to just give the list of players. Who are even available in this game danny for the rockets. Yeah and so remember. This game went to overtime. And they had a whopping nine players available. Pj tucker christian would daniel house harden and david nawab started bruno. Koboko four minutes off the bench and then rookie. jay sean. Tate played thirty seven sterling brown played and then broddrick. Thomas play ten minutes as well. And i believe that is everyone who was available. Yeah and so what they did was. They staggered christian would and just so they could have some kind of creation when harden was out of the game and they just threw the ball to christian would and let them go to work and he was being guarded by center. We'll see if it changes. And they tried to go small guys but even when they did that they put derek jones on them and would did like the yannis like into the guy knock them backwards and then euro step into a dunk on dirt junior. He ed the three ball working off. You didn't make three. I was looking at the free throw calm. But he had thirty one points. Fourteen of twenty two facing up from the mid range e hit a step back early which is close to it three. That's what i was thinking too and also was able to eat on the pick and roll with harden got a couple of tips on the offensive glass but really like just the face up the jump shot just blowing by yousef on the baseline for a dunk. Have like probably six or seven dunks in this game. And i wasn't able to lock on locking on this one quite enough to say how his defense was. He had a couple nice possession switching but that will obviously be a big question whether oxygen jason. I thought he looked really good to you. Mentioned he played thirty seven minutes and one of my questions about him from australia. Was kenny move his feet while the in front of guys i thought he actually did pretty well in those type of situations for houston Play again tonight. Or i guess i should say tomorrow night monday against denver and anything else on them other than James harden Forty four points on twenty two shots. Six hundred fourteen to sixteen from the line seventeen assists. Yeah really. i think for me this game even though the rockets did lose was another reminder of why i thought i thought they were going to go over there over under subtle just because even if james harden is not fully motivated and a little bit even if he's a little bit corpulent he's still an offensive. Dynamo hardened can be any less than that to be completely honest and their defense. I mean there were times where it looked better and there were times when it looked worse. It we'll talk a little bit about how portland's guards played in this game. But i i think the rockets are fine it. It is a concern that they're going to be missing a lot of these good players at minimum until wednesday because the forced quarantine period runs through their game on monday. And but i'm i'm optimistic about the rockets. Yeah and going to the blazers out. Who did win this game. One twenty eight one twenty six clearly the strategy from the rockets which is one that. I've not that much in agreement. On was we're just gonna make damian lillard and cj mccollum the only guys who shoot and you know for example covington played thirty eight minutes only took four threes dirt. Junior didn't take any part of that. Might have been because he's not really looking to take him in his thirty six minutes but you know they needed jones junior in coming covington not there to try and guard harden to not a ton of success. But you know the blazers playing conventional pick and roll defence in. That's james harden is gonna eat that up that's just the nature of things But damian lillard and c. j. mccollum fifty-eight field goal attempts combined. They made twenty eight of those twenty nine. Three point attempts combined between the two of them making fourteen of those and of course a combined seventy six points in all for that dynamic duo well not only. Somebody's not only seventy six points but they also had seventeen of the blazers twenty seven assists. Yeah that was pretty ridiculous. And the blazers i mean they shot forty two percent from three but fourteen of their nineteen makes whereby lillard and mccall concerning to me though that gary transgender junior only played six minutes and rodney hood played sixteen. I really quite understand that will end. Carmelo anthony played twenty and anthony. Simmons played ten. I mean so. Yeah this is a problem. Obviously do talk more about. It's just the we talked about this in the jazz game the blazers bench struggles right and they did do better a little bit in the second half but they're you know the the mellow kanter minutes. Were an absolute disaster in game one and they were not much better than the first half of game too because it gives it gives opponents an easy place to attack and those guys can have moments where they're dominant offensively but it's not really that type of overwhelming pressure enforce that we've seen an ob. It'll be a different dynamic for portland on monday. Because carmelo anthony did not make the trip to la because of health and safety protocols we'll have to see exactly what the duration is there. But i started thinking during the during the rights game and yes the blazers did win about how i'm maybe because i was a little higher on the blazers. I'm starting to get really concerned about them. Because you've talked. About how like the rockets defensive scheme played into their hands. But the blazers defense to me you know. We talked about the structural problems. Also they look terrible in the las jazz. So it's not like the sky is falling. It's too early for that. But i mean it. Cj in this game four or five mid range nine of sixteen from three so if you wanna put those together. Thirteen of twenty one on jump shots did a lot of damage there. Lillard will shoot better than he did in this game. Which is crazy what you think about the seventy six points that they combined for and you know nurkic hat definitely had his moments. I think the starting the starting five like coaching unit. When you consider the way that the rockets can make teams. Look at times though. This was not the rockets rockets. But i mean the the bench problems are still there and yeah. I don't know i had this optimism. That's like oh they're going to have a really good offense as long as the defense gets up to passable and it certainly still could. But i'm less confident that now than i was at the end of this game also deserves mention. It was completely insane. Harden ties it at one twenty three with a step back. Three lillard gives the blazers a two point. Lead harden hits another step back three fifteen seconds and this is all happening with under forty seconds remained to give the rockets a one point lead and then c. j. mccollum hits another really difficult three pointer. This one a catch and shoot with six point nine remain to put the blazers up to and then james harden threw it away. Robert covington finally got a stop on him At the end so that was that ended the game for the blazers and not. They needed that one. Because i mean. I really think their defense did not do a good enough job of loading up against the primary scores for the rockets given some of the shooting limitations and The unavailability is that the rockets had but certainly data point of against a lot of teams. James harden is just an offense all by himself. and then you throw in christian would his wall and looking pretty good All right what else we got here. We talk about minnesota. Unfortunately this is not as good news on sunday as it would have been if we have recorded a little bit previously because minnesota started out to know but then the news on sunday that karl anthony towns in dirt game against utah suffered a dislocated left wrist. And the phrasing is that he will be reevaluated. Weekly i know exactly what that what that means. What the kind of the to revert the used in that tweet. But the wolves are going to have significant trouble. Without karl anthony towns and even anthony davis didn't play. They got absolutely run and by the lakers on sunday night and i guess the terminology there that concern me is like saying so. There was the the peace that came out today. Spn said that they think it's a short term absence but a short-term absence that you will be evaluated weekly doesn't sound good to me personally. That's maybe that's just my interpretation. He i think it's all relative because those surgeries like if you've ever surgery that's you know that's gonna be matz delicate kind of surgery that yet to come back from so Towns injured it against utah. Trying to drive right handed from the left side of the floor against rudy gobert hanky had a dunk on his mind ended up having to go for a hook shot and gobert bumped him off his path. No foul was called. He goes down and Hurt that left rhys. Nevertheless i think we could try to be positive on the wolves of the fact that they're two in one yet you diangelo russel and the rest of the team russell at a nightmare game against the lakers even without a d. And really with lebron not doing that much either this. It's kind of the formula for the lakers. That why was high in them in the regular season this year is that they can just kinda let some of these other guys Carry them in games like this and the wolves around it back to back coming from utah. It's a long flight. And with the town's news kind of set up for Not being in the best spot towns not only is he there most positive. I'll get to that during Not only is he there most important player because he's their best player but he also center is the position they probably. The weakest backups that so now they're starting nods read. They put read in the rotation behind davis that experiment with him as the primary backup started last long but now at davis has to get back into the rotation again and i never quite understood why they traded for davis except maybe that he was someone that they thought could contribute and they could also get the salaries of spelman. And jacob evans but davis. I don't know if he's going to be able to contribute so it's going to be. I think it's gonna be tough for these guys score. Now without karl anthony towns however on they did have a really nice rousing win against utah to get to too and and anthony. Edwards was the be part of that. Yeah anthony edwards eighteen points on eight of twelve from the field most of that from two point range but also two of three from three had a couple steals had an assist as well and yeah i mean. He showed a little bit more defensive effort. Defensive performance georgia was inconsistent and these ads that but also through through some pretty good passes in this. he's actually a solid transition passer Maybe less so in the half court. I was most impressed by with him was just it. Seemed like he was able to slow down a little bit and he's a big strong guy and just to trust the size of his body to get two spots and not be too sped up at least in his own offensive game. It's not like they're double teaming him or anything but he had a physical advantage against. Utah's guards again. That's going back to the playoffs. Last year they just don't have a lot of physicality on the perimeter and so they ran a nice play for him where he was one of the two screeners on a staggered screen and he slipped that. Got the small guard. Who's guarding the point. Guard on a mike. Conley got a rubio through when i post entry and then he was able to get to a nice little one legged fadeaway. He's has a very powerful body game that the river missile speculative attempts but also made a couple of those as well and hit a couple of three so it was an encouraging performance for him. Who's five or twelve in the opener. Looked okay and then hey was six twenty one tonight against the lakers. So yeah i mean. Let's just all of you fan bases. Please just calmed down on. What's happened during the first two games right. Like did rj barrett. He was eleven to fifteen abuts. Knick fans talking shit to me like already went to fifteen the next game like how about you wait for like two weeks before before you start declaring victory on my takes on a on a guy being wrong like if you get enough sample size. Don't worry we'll like we'll get there and acknowledged the change reality if there's no sons fans if you need to ask a fan base like when when when we see we see things change we talk about it. We acknowledge that. And that's part of the fun and the game. Is that these guys improve. Yeah no i mean you can certainly be wrong about. Whether a guy can improve your. Nobody gets that right on hundred tons. I would probably even like sixty percent of the time. Frankly but andrew wiggins but yes. I mean it's been getting a lot of commentary a lot of conversations that i've been having of like you know james wiseman obviously should have been the first pick well. He adds laden egg today against chicago. And he's been absolutely atrocious defensively. We talked about on the way. I think about this just to give an analogy to different sport. It's the same reason that i don't think they should do like ranking polls in the college sports in the first like month of the season because all it does is it sets these priors which aren't particularly useful. Just just see where things go. There's there's not gonna be any rookie team voting or any any ultimatums that come in this first month of the season. Appreciate it for what it is and there will be. Players who dramatically exceed our expectations. That's fantastic would players who dramatically underperforming. their expectations. that sucks. Hopefully they get better and you know some of them. Will i mean we. We talked about deondraye hundred better. Culver has looked better during so far during this stretch of his second year and miles. Bridges look better so yet you just kind of to see how things play out talk about utah now and they had a real struggle in. This game didn't shoot it well from three and the weather team built. They're going to struggle when they don't shoot it very well from three at this point now the good news is they have a lot of three point shooters who are excellent. And that's not gonna happen to them too often but minnesota really controlled. This game ended up utah. Being ten out of thirty four. They probably would hope to get a few more threes against this minnesota defense and the wolf shot forty five percent or three in this game and you know guys like culver and edwards combining to be five or five of six from three yard. You're not expecting that necessarily You know it was one of those times were rudy. Gobert got into foul trouble. And karl anthony towns was able to have basically is only effective time of the game when gobert was on the bench. This gobert only played twenty nine minutes. Plus seven and dirk favors was negative six and they ended up losing by five. Because jon morgan plate one minute and was negative six. Somehow i guess. They tried playing him at senator. Maybe just to get a look at him at with against minnesota spreading the floor and see if he could be better but that didn't really work out too well and that's that is a tough line one minute. No statistics at all at negative. Six for morgan Jordan clarkson had one of those games where he starts off really awesome and gets everyone going on twitter and then he ends up with you. Know shooting under fifty percent from the field. It's still had a good game donovan. Mitchell is really struggling to start the year. He was six of twenty three and two of nine on threes has not up until the very end when he hit a couple of threes to get utah within a possession after which and they actually had a chance to tie after so miss free throws and then got a five second violation you say they never called in that time but they actually did. And it's it's funny because the announcers aren't like right there so it took them a second to realize like what it was that it was a five second violation so You know this isn't the end of the world from utah. They had that great. Start against portland another thing. That was concerning. I mean granted not a huge bogdanovich through three of sixteen from the field to of eleven on twos and i think four of them were in the restricted area. And just he's just biff. Some way up says pretty ugly like those. They were totally fine. Looks yeah so. I i don't. I don't read too much into that jazz play again against the thunder on monday. They should be able to get right then. And then on chris. Sorry new year's eve they play the sons. I'm actually pretty excited for that game. Yeah they also the favors. Joe ingles pick and roll which has been much ballyhooed really. Didn't get going very much against the wolves. And yeah i mean i think it's just the biggest weakness of this team is if donovan mitchell doesn't play while they're still gonna struggle at times and then the other big weakness is just their lack of size and athleticism on the perimeter defensively and Minnesota exploited that in a few ways. Oh man i have no idea where we are. How many teams we have left Let's just talk about another game slash team. Oh i i actually have a pretty good idea where we are. Let's let's go to the we can talk about the san antonio spurs in the context of of the two games that they played on the weekend they fell to the new orleans pelicans which pushed them to two and one. But i did think that overall the spurs did a good job defending zion williamson originally. It was just basically killed. Johnson defending in one on one but then in other matchups when the ark of puerto came in reprisal comes off the bench for the spurs. They were sending an extra body. And i thought that they did a good job. They contested now. Zion did grab rebounds on some mrs. But i thought they did a good job. There and considering the spurs are missing derek. White who i fully believe is going to be their best player when he gets available. I thought that they and they you know this game. They i don. I didn't think they played particularly well. Offensively had turnovers than you would like and budge other stuff. They still were in it. And i think that's good but the reason they should feel much better is because they started the season two including that win over the wraps. Yeah and the formula. That's really been working. Well for the spurs has been lamarcus aldridge spacing out. And then you have a lot of these powerful drivers who are starting. They're starting calvin johnson. I was all worried that they're going to start. Trials but thankfully johnson is back to start. The season lyles only played basically. He's been playing five minutes the last couple of games and that was the case in the toronto game as well am other. It's lani walker kelvin. Johnson demartin rosen. johnny murray. All those guys really are able to take advantage of the space that bulges providing by spacing alphabet more and then the other thing. That was really fantastic. Tomorrow's going three of four from three. Now i did go over four in this pels games. Let's see whether he keeps it up against his old team to be able to hit three or four threes including probably the most critical three pointer of the game offered a double team on lamarcus aldridge That i think gave them the lead. Actually the raptors led one fourteen one ten with about two minutes left and then they would never score again. The spurs scored the last nine points of the game including that critical jerusalem. Three they were able to get a double team with marcus aldridge because the raptors were closing it with chris. Boucher lamarcus aldridge. Wherever you think of him he's going to eat in the post against christopher shays they had to double off of derozen and droz and actually made them pay Any other spruce observation than you watch that new orleans game which. I didn't get a chance to watch but i still have the the weird dynamic. That's just true of the spurs bench consistently plugging them and actually. I thought that led to a real problem late in the pelicans. Game because patty mills. I thought had done a really nice job. Setting guys up creating offense and then this burs went away from him in the closing five and so it just became a bunch of like drives into contested shots and so the the the ecosystem wasn't as hospitable for for the spurs that they weren't getting good shots late. And i think that's a big part of why the pelicans in full credited pels for playing some pretty solid defense. But i think the spurs made life easy on them overall. Yeah i'm really interesting to watch this. Pels defense and see whether they can be a inadequate unit this year. And yeah i mean you mentioned mills in that giving toronto. He was just absolutely incandescent with twenty one point. Five of six from three coming off the screens. He also has really mastered that pump. Fake take dribbler to to get the guy off balance and shoot it when he has a slight initial advantage off the screen but not enough of one to actually get the shot up can use fakes to get off and this. I took a lot of threes. That game shot forty one percent. But it's not like the raptors were terrible either. At thirty seven percent in that one kelvin. johnson was five hundred fifteen and only took two three point attempts. His drives are very powerful and he looks like even stronger and more cut up athletic than he did last year. But it's kind of reached the like headlong drive. That's really my only play you know. He hasn't really found a way to get his teammates involved off of those drives. He's running into guys at the rim forcing upshots the raptors do a really nice job of protecting the rim and try to force you to kick out for threes in. He didn't get that memo on some of these but you mentioned news. Pretty good. Defensively against cyanide. Thought he did a nice job on pasquale siaka. As well and devon vessels continues to look decent in his minutes he made his only three pointers. Plus fourteen in twelve minutes rudy gay. I think to me might be the guy that they would want to de emphasize a little bit once white comes back. And maybe just moved to rosen to the four at that point as they did more in the bubble although gay played planning to as a small ball center their turn to the toronto raptors. Now who are oh two. I don't this is. I only saw this game. I didn't see the pels game. But i didn't see like any reason to panic on these guys yet in. They looked like pretty much the same team that they've been and just didn't go their way against any tonio in this one. So maybe they. I mean the two things that you look at it as being like big problems one is the half court offense and then number. Two is their defensive rebounding. They got smacked at the end of this game. And that was a big in the last two minutes of the game. They give a bunch of offense. Rebound that led to buckets linked. Was one of those led to the derozen three that i mentioned earlier and they gave up close to thirty percent offensive rebounds and particularly struggle late and then the half court offense calorie continues to be also like e still look like the same guy but when he's not drawing the bs fouls and they only shot fifteen free throws in this game. It gets a little bit more difficult for them. Chris boucher was nasty in this game though. Yeah boucher twenty two points on fourteen shooting possessions nine to thirteen from the field including three or four from three also made that a double double with ten rebounds and seven blocks. Yeah it was interesting with the blocks. He he got a lot of those on ball and even with guys trying to go into his body and he looks to gotten a little bit stronger yet. You cannot backwards but his arms are just so long as timing is so good that he was able to get those box. E closed the game Again he's not a great defensive rebounder so that was kind of a problem in in he closed it obviously instead of aaron baynes and then. Crm started off really well but he finished out six out of sixteen in forty three minutes in this game again. It's just a lot of that. Might have been because the raptors have this very slow early start to the season. They play wednesday saturday. Tuesday so minus will run your guys pretty hard if i could have played for another couple of days but that game that they have is a big one because next one is against the philadelphia seventy sixers on tuesday and the other reason that that i would have some concern about the They're going to be fine. You know i don't know if they're going to be. You know winning high fifty s type of pace like there were last year but Norm powell looks awful. I mentioned this in the preseason that he looked heavy now now wearing like the dreaded t shirt i'm not sure whether it's a shoulder issue or just because he's a little heavy but He was over five in. This only played eighteen minutes in his. They haven't really been able to break out that lineup with siaka him at center closed games because he just hasn't really been worried worthy of it. He was two for eleven. I think in the first game so really rough start for him Defensively didn't look great and matt thomas. They wanted him to be a part of the rotation this year. And he's a good shooter but he's made some like really muendane. Mistakes defensively just like communication. Like he's supposed to be like a smart bet like not the kind of mistakes that you can afford to make when you have the athleticism deficit that he's already operating at. and so. yeah. I mean you look at this bench. If norm powell going. Give you anything. Chris boucher the andre bembry and matt thomas going off your bench. Terrence davis did not play it. All coaches decision Malachi flynn couldn't get off the bench. Either i think they should try to give him a little bit more run. It may be again. They will once the schedule picks up but yeah there are they gotta get something out of normal i unless you have unless you have anything more on the raptors we can. We're ready to close us out. We only have one more set of teams so be it. And that is the teams that played another one of these back to back to back home. But not home in homes they're both in sacramento kings and the suns game one was won by the sacramento kings in what was more fun affair when the kings move to a no and then phoenix won the second game for a split decision. One sixteen one hundred thousand much more comfortable win for them. And i watched more mostly just do to. What else was on of the of the first game. When the sacramento one. That looked like it was a barn burner with The twenty five percent three point shooting of the sons being the superior performance game. Yeah because sacramento was fifa twenty three on the game including their bench not hitting a single three halliburton josephine robinson combined for zero for six. But it was close and that was interesting. And so something that i i found interesting. Was chris paldon. Come back into the game until the three minute. Mark of the fourth quarter and before that deer and fox was pretty regularly beating cameron payne and then as soon as chris. Paul checked in fox got more tentative. Now that was also phoenix having. They're having the players on the floor. And certainly that's a factor as well started settling for jump shots. Did it against paul. Also did it on the switch for and i think he can be chris ball at chris. Paul isn't that quick anymore. Like you you get him out on the floor. He can be beaten. He's more about kind of the strength to the short area quickness and the ad dissipation than actually sliding his feet on the perimeter in front of guys and then at times on saturday's game lamented. I thought cam. Johnson was sometimes trying to do a little bit too much with zan. Still wonderful shooter did get to the line. But then i thought it looked a lot better when he on sunday on sunday he will. Johnson was more sort of and so that is the ebb and flow of this. That happens in so johnson having a rough saturday having a better sunday. That's the way can work out. And so but the symptoms use the ecosystem figuring all this stuff out. Four phoenix is gonna be problem. It's a good problem for the most part money williams but it is a challenge that i was thinking about this in terms of their closing five so booker and seem pretty locked as long as they're available but then probably gonna choose to of mikhail bridges cam johnson and jae crowder and so on saturday. It was crowder and was crowded and johnson. I'm trying to remember entirely it. Changes at a couple points. But you know the guy who's left out is going to feel a little bit frustrated in that and sure they all believe that there. I mean crowder's was a key player on nba finals team last year. Bridges has been excellent defensively in johnson is probably the future of one of the forward spots. So we'll keep an eye on on on all that end what was fascinating to me was arguably the most important play of saturday's game was a defensive read and steal by buddy healed so exactly the type of play that i wanna see teams get more aggressive you could you brought up the raptors in the pacers about this earlier and just in terms of aggressiveness. Defensively is single. Read passes where the guy who's making the pass already has already given up his dribble. So that's really what happened here that he was guarding devon booker and deandra eight and picked up his dribble and so he's basically just like waiting to pass devon booker the ball. If you're defending him. You're i mean yeah you can take a gamble and potentially if you don't get the ball then something happens but healed was able to understand exactly what was going on tipped it away and then got a pick six and when you consider that that game ended in a three three point for sacramento in those last couple of minutes could really differently. That was important. Halverson bagley played late on saturday. But we're not in the closing five closing five. For luke walton was fox joseph healed barns and homes and so it was also interesting that i mentioned. That fox had trouble as soon as chris. Paul got back in the game. So then the other big bucket late for sacramento was also but he'll he'll he was. He gets the ball off. Screen drives pass be co-produced which was surprising. He missed the finish. But when you draw the big ben when you on that drive that opened up the offensive rebound lane. Rashawn homes gets the offensive board and then free throws. He doesn't make the put back. And then after weird dagger offensive. Rebound that bounce bridges to king chat to win but then the sons. Got the win back. The next within that i can add is saturday's game damian jones. Fifteen minutes negative ten as the backup center very interesting. That jalen smith only played four minutes now worth noting that he sprained his ankle and so he didn't play in today's game at least that's what he was listed. As a d'oro charen is still out. He hasn't played yet. This season with this soar right quad. And so there's hope that he was gonna be the backup center but rather than going with jones. They go with frank. Kaminsky who revenge game. He was cut by the kings at the start of the season and claimed on waivers by the sons to bring him back. Of course remember. He signed for the room exception last year and had a team option with the sons declined. And then he signed with the kings was non-guaranteed got caught and then he puts up eleven points on five ten and plus seventeen off phoenix bench. As the primary backup center in this one and that was One of the big differences to have had a very positive bench performance Pain and cam. Johnson were plus twenty six plus twenty five respectively. Johnson on sunday was ridiculous with twenty one points and did it on only eleven shooting. Possessions are abject apologies here we did not get to watch the knicks or sixers side. We're gonna have to settle for only eighteen teams here Who watched a lot of basketball over the last two days. Trying to get that up to you but Worry not get to the next. And the sixers knicks at a very weird start to the season with getting completely destroyed by the sixers and the pacers and then just absolutely housing the box today so a bitch to dipped again a little bit more on this weird nixon. 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ZBT #333: National Guard Garage Goofin + Covid Sniffing Dogs

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ZBT #333: National Guard Garage Goofin + Covid Sniffing Dogs

"Hey what's up guys. It's big cat before you start listening to this episode. I want to let you know that we're running a special sale on all barstool merch. Go to store dot barstool sports dot com and use code podcast for ten percent off goto store dot barstool sports dot com and use code podcast for ten percent off. Its tuesday edition here under thirty and today. We have five rounds in a magazine round number one. This week. People were shut down. Tom cotton's neck because he claimed to be arranger while he was in iraq and people were. I guess they were. Scroll explaining to everyone. Scrolling taps waiting was just a little stolen valor guven by old tom cotton. We're going to discuss that run number. One number two in a dog bag of sort. The miami heat are bringing detector dogs to smell for corona virus. Will that work well. It's hard to say round number three. Lots of changes are happened in the oval office. The british are upset about a statue in a beloved soft drink but also been removed. Will democracy survive ran number. Four national guard troops were parked in the garage and the capital and people were big big mad about it finally round number five. What's the craziest thing someone you knew and uniform set are believed. I'm going to let you know. Some of these are absolutely really ridiculous. Things that they believe my favorite personal before we get going. Obviously the marines in okinawa. Who believe that. you really could swim underneath. Oh news just two floating island. That's my favorite. Because they are so earnest and really. I don't make a lot of sense right. The the way that the ocean fills in. Everything is kind of weird when you there's mountain ranges on the ocean floor. I think he just kind of look at the ocean like it would be a pool where it'd be smooth out. There is full out mountain ranges underneath the ocean. When you i find that out it blows your mind a little bit a little a little bit because you look at islands you like. That could just be floating. Why would you think that there's mountain ranges because when you go to the beach and you go out into the water. Everything smooth there at the beach. There's not a whole lot of mountain ranges and then you get further out things. Get a little more complicated. Get a little kid. That's a good way to put it all right something to think about. That's for sure it is. Yeah you can think about that while you're trying our friends at three g. Three cheese is changing in the way that i sleep. That's for damn sure the delta eight. it's better legal. Even if you live in a state like texas you can have it. we'd is illegal in texas. Delta eight is not you can even have it coming in the mail if you want to get it online. Go to three dot com. That's the number three c. h. I dot com. It's at retailers around. 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I slipped lake lab. Ooh i can't have you catch. Slept outside for seven nights. Slept in turn. Give a shit. I didn't take a shower with running water for seven months. So you know what. I my own year and and they're all complaining already you're right. They're not they don't have comfy sleeping arrangements in well piss poor planning leads to piss port. Good times is what military for planning does lead to piss poor. Good time that's saying goes. I saw me smokes complaining. This morning about his back hurt his fingers hurting well up. His little feet are going to hurt too because he just pulled an all night. Shift the fire. Watch for a complain. How about that. Let's move to round number one number one. We're gonna talk a little about linney from mice and men right now. We're going to skip that into big political news over the weekend. We got a bit of a stolen valor. Gives going on and this comes to us from salon dot com rod or solemn brenner senator. Tom cotton of arkansas has accrued a resume tailor made for a republican politician. He left from a small town in arkansas a little cattle farm over to harvard university and harvard law. He left a leading new york law firm to join the military. After george w bush's reelection. He was discharged after nearly eight years. Two deployments as an army captain decorated hero to commendation medals a bronze star a ranger tab pulling cotton launched his first congressional campaign at two thousand twelve. He felt compelled to falsify that honorable military record even as he still served in the army reserve in his first. Break it on record. I don't like that sentence. This article feels like it's gone after this guy and it just seems a little harder than it needs to be continue okay in his first run for congress cotton. We've heavily on his military service claiming to have been a us army ranger in iraq and afghanistan and in a campaign ad to have volunteered to be an army ranger reality. Cotton was never part of the seventy fifth ranger regiment. An elite unit. That does all sorts of special ops cool bullshit as they would say on one today rather cotton attended the ranger school a two month long small unit tactical infantry course that literally anyone in the military is eligible to attend soldiers who complete the course earned the right to wear the ranger. Tab a small arch that reads ranger but in the eyes of the military that does not make them an actual army ranger. So that's essentially this story. They're like what they're saying is and that there is a difference between being tabbed ranger and being scrolled ranger like strolled ranger in the seventy fifth. And you actually go do special operations command shit ranger tab. You just graduated school. And i had. I had no idea until. I talked to alejandro villanueva about it that i didn't know that was a distinction. I thought that anybody who graduated from the school you're arranger. I had no idea that that's the way it was cons. Is that a big deal and the army where people talk about it. It's one of those things that everyone kind of just understands to be true it. No one really gets on a else. I will say not. Everyone's eligible to go to ranger school of. Here's some fat body mesh. You're not getting sent to ranger school. You have to be really squared away before your unit says okay. Yeah we'll send you a ranger school because they don't want to waste time with people that they don't think can actually make it through because it is very tough but there is that distinction where technically he's not wrong and i didn't go to ranger school nor did i serve in the ranger regiment. So i reached out to somebody's just to get their sentiments and basically what they said in what i expected them to say was. You're not technically wrong to say your ranger if you're a ranger qualified ish just exactly what they said. In when they use the word misleading because most people chaps. You're marine you're in the military and you didn't even know that there was difference unless you're in the army you're just as civilian you're ranger you just assume you're on the elite and you're part of this unit that does elite missions when that's not necessarily the case so he wasn't technically wrong because a lot of people who will go to ranger school will say they're arranger but then the guys who are in seventy fifth we they will clown on anybody who says that and say well. You're not a real ranger but that's nice. Have the tap. Yeah and i actually got into a little bit of people. Were sitting down my neck about a blog. I wrote one time about old mason plumlee when he graduated from ranger school. I said that he arranger. And they're like well he's had scrolled and that's it really hit home. That people really do get guard a lot of shit. I don't like tom cotton and a lot of the things that he does. I think he's kind of slimy. But i think that going after somebody for this misses the mark like there's so many other big things to worry about if somebody called themselves arranger and they might not technically be like the fullest term of it. Like i think that's kind of bullshit. Yeah i will say a larger article that i would be interested to read would be because it's politicians from the military on both sides republican democrat. They both rely so heavily. On our nation's blind here worship of the troops they know the civilians don't know shit and that's not a knock on civilians why would they thank But they know they don't know shit except for big key buzzwords like ranger and and battle and this and that and every single campaign ad i've seen on both sides of the fence for veterans in the military are so oversaturated. Just he knew what he was doing when he when he added that. Oh i was army ranger and iraq while technically you are ranger qualified you were in iraq with hundred verse your with the ranger regiment. And this you'll be said to the bronze star with him. Like i've also there's a lot of comments on there being like if you're including the bronze star you got in combat people automatically assume you're talking about a valor wh- related award when that's not necessarily case. You can get a bronze star for administrative purposes. Well so when you say that. I was an army ranger who received a bronze star in iraq that starts to mean i was doing extreme shit to get an extreme award in combat exactly and that's why misleading for sure and calculated very calculated. Exactly what a civilian like. I mean this dude. Harvard educated twice. Exactly like he's a smart guy. He knows what he's doing. So yes that is slimy because you are like part that may be part of why you're in the position you're in is because you convince people you're something you're not and i see both sides do it and it's slimy in it's gross but so yeah i am. I asked for mercy. Tear gas one of my mentors jenkins who was ranger in seventy fifth ranger regiment. And i asked him if he was bothered by it. And he said ultimately he wasn't bothered by what he said he was bothered by was the fact that there were to combat veterans serving in the senate and congress on opposite sides of the aisle. They're furthering the divide rather than uniting an end to that. There was the former so calm commander. Tony thomas who tweeted at our coach. represented jason crowed. He said i where your correctly second. This is a dumb debate. I love that. He's like. You're a congressman. Now act like it. This is a dumb debate. Feel pretty qualified to say that. Need you to focus on more important things for the good of the nation. You senator tom. Cotton get together and work like ranger buddies. That's the sentiment that we need to focus on some office. He's doing that needs to be an office. That's like real leadership. The firm so calm commander of actually reached out to him. I'm gonna try to get him on the show. Don jason crows face. Jason crowe wet from being like the king of the castle of the castle for everything that happened in the kapor on january. Six to get dunked on by the com commander. Sometimes you just gotta take your wearing just mosey on down the road a little bit. Jason coach tried to dunk on tom. Cotton for it and he was wearing his actual tan beret. That he got from the seventy fifth ranger regiment. It didn't really go out that well but you know what's interesting about the ranger regiment is. You don't have to have a ranger tab now. If you as an officer into the ranger regiment did not attack. People will look at you crooked but a lot of the guys who are in the ranger regiment did not go to ranger school. So it's like this whole big convoluted thing. That's really just a bunch of semantics. At this point they shouldn't be trying to dunk in each other. They should just work together. I would just love to do a review where. I take every single veteran in congress right now and i go back through their ad campaigns to run and then i matched up with their record and then i make them come forward and be like all right. I got a couple notes here in a little bit. I think it was blumenthal with vietnam. Where he's talked about. He was he was in vietnam era and he actually never went to vietnam and people are always saying that has is like stolen valor like he served. During the vietnam era he never went to vietnam. There's another the gentleman I think he's from south carolina but the paralympics paralympian right now are calling him out because he renison crawford madison. Whatever he ran saying he was you know he was training for the paralympics and blah blah blah. And he's posting all the naval academy and then he had gotten into the naval academy never gotten to the naval academy was never headed. There was never all these paralympian article like. Actually we've been making fun of that guy for years because we we've been watching 'em fake it and everyone believing it. And he tried to explain it away that he was training for the paralympics and somebody that's actually a parallel olympian. I think it was like a gold medal. Paralympian said on twitter. Like that's like me saying that. When i was in the fifth grade i'm training to be in the nfl draft like this is wild to me in twenty twenty one that anyone would say anything or tried to lead anybody down the path of any sort of impropriety. Because it's so easy these days to get your fax checked and there's nothing worse than having that feeling of knowing you've been caught in a fib so why even bother because in the military veteran world in politics it's like the spiderman point that each other me. Yeah okay you can point me out bitch but guess what you did it to not even not even just the military but it's anything that touches the military to was the news reporter that said that he was like flying brian williams. Yeah brian williams saying all this shit that he had done while he was in theater and was there. None of it was true. And i mean to take it further are are we not all little guilty in some way like i feel like a couple of drinks and say anything. What i'm saying is like when you get out there like here's how you translate your your military experience onto your resume and like so it was me and leading guys as we mostly for like five months threw rocks at a can all right so look at your leadership skills there your battle-tested i'm like We like. I don't know i feel like sometimes things can inflated and the and there is a marine that i served with got out as a lance corporal which nothing wrong with that. Whatever like you get out and you did your time. But he got his lance. Corporal was running for sheriff of his small town in tennessee. And this this dude got lance. He got out as a lance corporal. Because he got an in jp and busted down for stealing government gasps into his pov test. The reason why he was like didn't move on with his career but the way that his resume and his ad campaign whenever they would post on facebook. I would always be like this dude is acting like he's fucking recon ranger. He was this shit back. I think that's what i'm getting. I feel like some of the people i served with. Who were the worst are the ones who tout their military experience. The biggest now and they use it to their advantage to. And i think on some level all like. I don't think there's anything wrong with leveraging your military experience to succeed. I feel like a lot of things i have in life now because i served and because i wasn't afraid to take advantage of opportunities that came my way because of it but i also wasn't saying like we'll it was hit ball. Veterans will under sell them military experience not realizing how difficult it was when they were doing certain things and they don't want to be those people who are trying to over leverage it so they under sell it. You gotta find that fine line for being foolish and not using it at all. I made fun of looking. You got to that line a little bit right figuring out dot about it. Let's move onto round number two. This comes to us from espn. I believe which. I think is a carlson here. Marshall sports the miami heat are bringing back some fans with the help of some dogs. The heat will use corona virus. Sniffing dogs at american airlines arena to screen fans who want to attend their games working on plans for months and the highly trained. Dogs have been in place for some games. This season in which the team has allowed a handful of guest. Starting this week a limited number of ticket holders back in the seats provided they get past the dogs. I quote if you think about it detection. Dogs they're not new. Said matt matthew jaffar in the heat's executive vice president for business strategy. You've seen them in airports. They've been using mission critical situations by the police and the military we've used them in the arena for years to detect explosives the heat's first game What ticket soldiers set for thursday against the clippers and mondays. The first day that they'll be able to start securing their seats and they go on to say that how they trained the dogs a little bit and they say that they're going to be. There's going to be questions before you actually go into to the arena. You go by. And in order to get these dogs screened. They have to pass a test of which anybody with any kind of license can do like. It's bullshit thing that they have but a german study last year so the dogs were ninety. Four percent right in detecting corona virus. Yeah i'm a dog handed by trade like. That's what i did. When i was in the process of getting a dog to find something there has been dogs. That are trained to find things that you wouldn't necessarily believe like cancer. And they can they can detect and like rot in would for example like. If there's a long power line you could send dogs down to see if there's a broad on the inside they can find a litany of things. I don't buy this shit for half a second. Sorry how do they explain to me how they detect cancer well like the cancer is the smell. The smell of flesh like there is. There is a smell that comes from that. So you can. You could do it. The virus thing though they said they're spilling the effects of somebody that has virus. This is just bullshit. All this is it's a psychological deterrent ninety four percent. There's no fucking chance like the the amount of odor that comes off of explosives is far greater than anything. That's going to like an a virus or cancer or anything like that. In order to pass certification. The dog has to be at the standard of ninety five percent getting a dog to a ninety five percent standard on explosives that has a pretty distinct signature is difficult like whenever you're talking about something. How different bodies first of all like once if you're doing explosives cabinets and all that shit. They asked more different but they kind of the same. You're talking about people getting different types different close. We're talking about florida. People get all kinds of shit right no offense to you chaps on the smelly phil i would imagine. You're like a bouquet to a dog. I had venison sausage in went out there absolutely no pun intended. This seems like a real big dog and pony show to me. Say like hey look at. We're doing to make our arena. Look safe. I don't know if you guys watch the football games this weekend. There are just a ton of ins and they can space them out all they want. I'm not buying that like. They're they're walking next to walk in and out of the stadium. They're not keeping their distance people who are willing to go into these stadiums and arenas they're just comfortable with being around other people and that's that's their prerogative. But i don't think having dog that's just one more thing to say like oh they have a corona virus sniffing dogs. So we're safe. I mean trying to the person who owns this company. Brilliant company to make because business leaders even if it doesn't work it's a psychological deterrent and it shows people that were doing everything that we possibly can like if you got to be just for like liability purposes right like you like miami heat ownership like we did everything we possibly could. We even brought in these specialized dogs help. Train find corona virus. We can't be culpable. We had the screening. We had all this stuff. Hey we had the ducks. I go to the bathroom everywhere now. And i just. I pointed my belly. Use your bathroom prego. And they say they're you. There's a restaurant. I went to pee in after work the other day and they had taken a metal detector from a high school and just put a temperature thing on top so that now when guests walk through like blink screen and it's like you don't have corona virus. You're good and i'm like that's not real. People feel better though right. Oh absolutely yes. Placebo effect security viral security. It's like that. I forget what team it was. I think it was the panthers during. Nfl training camp where they had system set up where it was like mr the water with hand sanitizer while the players are running underneath it like. That's not science this work. If i owned the heat. And i wanted to fuck with people you know the big tests for krona virus is the duck if you can do the duck walk. You're fine you gotta stripped down into your underpants but if you can make it down this hallway to the pop the popcorn. Stand your good. What if when's the last time you guys have been disneyworld kyle. You might have been recently. Have you been disneyworld anytime last. Couple years i've never been to disneyworld you. Look at kyle. His dad he lives in north carolina. Terrible pile he's got a giant ziauddin. An axe i've ever been disneyworld either. Zero they have this where you go watch like fantasia. They had this big theater. That has it's like an interactive movie theaters. Like five or something like that. Where whenever they're doing the fantasia their water will come out and spray you in the face like from the in front of you. That's what they should get those seats at games. And whenever you start yelling really loud and there's like a signature of just sprays hand sanitizer like your good too excited to hear some spray yourself up a little bit of our workout. Great miami lazy river of hand sanitizer. You guys want to float in the in the sanitizer pool honestly because it's a little bit thicker if you have one of those foam floats. Looks like a little mattress. I on a hand sanitizer lazy river. You just have to seal your gentle holes. Yeah oh yeah that it's alcohol So let's be let's be smart about also this think if we have dogs can sniff out krona virus for all the lance-corporals. Pfc's out there. We should probably get committee. Sniffing hound or something for monday mornings formations. Yeah it'd be difficult though it have dog. Just walk up to everybody. Scoot i because a lot of times the dog and there you have to present like put your hand where they want to and you could even do like. You're not supposed to but you can tap tap your fingers there. I was just down in florida. People forty to not care about this thing so i don't think this really makes any bit of difference. They're willing to go into that arena. My mom watch you watch when superbowl happens in two weeks. What is your s right now. How many things would be in that stadium. They have limits on it so they i think they said fifteen thousand is what they said. Okay all right. Well i think a majority of those fans actually they came out like if it was not corporate sponsorship. And then you can get a booth. It's going to be frontline. Workers who have already received the vaccine. That's great awesome. Fantastic osso podcast. But after tom brady is the greatest athlete of all time. I don't not necessarily the greatest athlete. He is the greatest leader on football team of all time. Yeah i mean. I said prior to the season. I did not think that the box would see that big of a difference in their performance with just adding brady and i hand up. I was wrong clearly and what he's been able to do with a brand new team in year. One is certainly impressive. Eighteen percent of all super bowls. He is started in. That's bananas that he's he's done that he has now. That was his thirty third career win. Joe montana's next with sixteen playoff wins and he has thirty three. He has as many nfc championships as aaron. Rodgers does is drew brees. Does like that is insane. Like the things he's doing is just crazy crazy about briesen. Rogers is they always get talked about in the discussion about who. Who's the greatest who were the top five top ten of all time and when you look at where he is relative to them. It's not even close like you said it's bananas boy. If i was a victory if a dog i'd sit down at his feet and go loot. Yep that's right. Kate all right. Let's move onto round three. Which today is going to be brought to you by our good friends at bare-bottom clothing bare-bottom clothing. They are some comfortable as pants. I was wearing mine around. I gotta be honest. I have one pair. I wore on both days this weekend because they are so comfortable. I just throwing a on. You look nice feel nice. Bare-bottom close has also donated one hundred thousand pairs of shorts. The children in need through there are one for you. One for them program for a limited time. They're switching things up and we'll donate a protective mask to the first responder teacher. Someone in need for each of items over. Two hundred thousand mass. They've already donated. Wow that's a lot bare-bottom clothing dot com with promo code zero. You're going to get free shipping use zero to check out at bare-bottom clothing dot com. It is great. They have stretchy joggers. They have spandex fabric brands. They have moisture. Wyking tech tease. They have all kinds of stuff. Make sure you go to their website at bare-bottom dot com with the promo code. Zero round number. Three is up what we have cape well around number three. We have first of all well to this in a second round number. Three dim it. Okay hold on i immediately. I'm sorry. I was literally as you're talking staring at this man's teeth ninety nine. I think you disguise. I'm just looking. Okay okay we got some bad teeth and number three which no fence means. We're talking about the. I gotta cut kate off here. I'm disappointed in kate right here. She wasn't her initial thought when she saw the picture that i put in the sheet fun of somebody's teeth. I need you to just rare back. Fire like we're ready now. Motherhood is making her soft. Yeah you make a misfire when you're able targets appear this man. Looks like his teeth are made of chiklis gum. That sat at the bottom of coca cola bottle for four years. Anyway when you leave a penny and and your little cup holder in your car at the bottom like you pick it up and you have to peel it out. And it's kinda like slimy and nasty looks like somebody took those pennies inform them in detail it anyway. We'll get to him in a minute. End of very caffeinated era. When former president donald trump occupy the oval office he quite literally had a button on his desk. That ordered a diet coke to the room whenever it was pressed and by the way we asked online. What would you have if you on your recliner. You're sitting in front of your tv. You have your recliner you guys get this button that for the rest of your life whenever you press it. You can't be food and drink but you get one food or one drink always brought to you on a silver platter. What are you guys doing. If i could have you know i would love to have an icy. I think like a nice icy every now and then. We'll just be lovely. But i wanted to be something every day so i'd probably go with like a cold brew coffee okay. That's fair well. First of all mike francesa was reached for comment for this and he said that's a great idea. Okay blood on like you said. It's every day i can't like what i would really want. I would want him a chocolate milkshake button. But if i start having chocolate milkshakes multiple times a day. That's not good so you're right that the that was basically. The mantra of my favorite childhood book called the chocolate touch where this little kid loved chocolate and he made a wish that everything he ate turned the chocolate and then by the end of the day he didn't want chocolate anymore. He's brushing his teeth with chocolate. He owns jesus was chocolate. The water was chocolate. Everything was chocolate and eventually enough chocolate avenue chocolate so probably just like a cup of tea. Cup okay petit. Kyle some green tea. Maybe i'm going with the budweiser. I want a cold. Budweiser just. i'm not gonna go overboard. One or two day kyle. We have a very important question to ask. You can determine a lot the disease budweiser come in a can a bottle a frosted bog power. You getting this budweiser i. you know. Maybe i'll have if i press it twice. I wanted in a can. And if i press three times i wanted a frosted mug in one time is a bottle. I don't budweiser's budweiser my friend. It's all good you my mom. Kindred spirits crushed bud. Heavy salt day. Well you're all idiots. The correct answer is a very expensive. Caviar than i would have brought to me every day and then i would just sell it online and get rich anyways because the president of the united states is really hard up for cash need to do that. And black. market caviar anyway. So they got rid of president. Donald trump's diet coke button in the oval office but as a glimpse at president biden's desk just after his inauguration shows the buttons gone and not only that winston churchill has been removed for the oval office. nigel farraj. This is the tooth guy now. Pardon me if. I don't know who this is. I'm an american anyone outside my borders. I don't know yet. He's a blue used to be the leader of the conservative party in england and was very instrumental in their part and brexit brexit guy. Not a big brush it guy. Clearly this guy against fluoride in water to he did a tweet standing in front of i. Guess stirring the trump era goofy steady of this winston churchill painting that has been removed from the oval office shirts. You'll not being it's a it's a bust of him. It's the statue crop policy. That's thomas jefferson bus a bus notably churchill. That's actually edges jacqueline. Those guys like winston churchill looks oldest shipments painting. i might be jefferson anyway. He says the bust was removed of winston churchill. He says if true this is a slap in the face to the british and any prospects of good relations and again all i can do is look at his teeth. All i can do is look at nigel for teeth and say how god damn british so do guys think it's a slap in the face that true i feel like every other president got. What are you fucking winston churchill. Anyway he's it wasn't our president get him out of here. I mean what should we have the fucking quaint in the oval office to read canada. We're still one of your little people that put your face on our money. We fought a war so we didn't have to do. Yeah i i'm somewhat toward here. Obviously we broke away from them a long time ago. But then winston churchill was very instrumental in our winning of world war two although he was ultimately us that one everything for everybody else when the prime minister of has jimmy carter's bust in office. Then they could say something. I mean for the last time i mean. Every president changes does their own thing and makes can even put different desks in there. If they want to they can have our decorate the oval office if president again a nice. Iq flu gin desk those couches in there. Those look uncomfortable as hell. Does i gotta get new curtains to bring my lazy boy. Sport would have. Oh my god. Sport in the oval office tower but the fanciest how much would he loves cats our because oval he does run in circles. Huge cat tower. Absolutely maybe a small window. That like in richie rich. The mcdonald's is on the other side of it or something like that so late night. Nugget now picture this okay so we have like blank check style house in the white house but instead of like the slide going down to the pool as somebody comes in like the chief of staff cubs ended there. Like mister or madam president. We have something going down in the situation room. We needed to come down in his suit. He runs over to the edge of the wall. Goes into like a slide in slide him down and then he lands right in his seat at the head of the table in the situation room. That would be fine. I think right now. Currently our president seventy eight years of age. I don't know if that's the best idea. He might hurt a hip or something. No need to have one of those beds that you see so you don't spit up on says president buttons. You remember that. Our phone. And i can't get commercials. Does he have one of those selen-selena yeah that's it. No i would say oh man. That's he's been out the only that he can make an advocates for life alert from the oval office. Your secret service ever asleep on the job. Ever been the find your pen presidential life. But he's like. Instead of the chair the oval office. He's like i'd like a medicine ball or not. One of those big people should yes go where he's trying to improve sitting on a swiss mall and by the way he replaced. The painting of andrew jackson has been replaced with chaps. His favorite turkey roaster. Oh benjamin franklin. So yeah benjamin franklin for those that are keeping score at home you cook his turkeys by wait for it. Electrocution cunanan plug prongs his turkeys and just electric shock the shit out of them and then serve them outside of his house where he used a bay on the back porch question out of all the countries in the world though. Is it safe to say. Britain like our best friend. Oh yeah yeah so. It's like it's like them. Mechanics your best friend. Just a little upset. I get it offset. We took away their stat. Their head they're boston. Oh he's fake. Mac office now. He's not doing his thing. This fake mad for re tweets. So you'd be like yeah hell. Yeah put him back. In there we love winston churchill. What it winston churchill do. We don't know we ought to say i'm ultimately okay with having it removed input somewhere else. It's fine he has take that motherfucker sideways in chevron stood up there. I don't know if this is the first bust of a lady in the oval office. But he's got a bust of rosa parks. Eleanor roosevelt we. Got some ladies in there now. So i'm out that eleanor roosevelt people actually thought all eleanor was hugo chavez. Right but still better teeth in. What's his face. give her that. Well i mean honestly like joe biden. What are you doing. Removing the button. Just switch what comes in a pushing the button. You shouldn't have got rid of the great. What if he. I mean he's gonna gyari said he's going to have as two dogs in there which is awesome like the to one of them being a rescue dog. I think is fantastic. And they're also getting a cat. What if he had just had their names are champ in the one's name but whenever the dogs are in their he pushes the button. Something getting rid of the button is a bad move. Your arms president need the button. Yeah yep all right. Let's move onto round number four runner for this is a a nice little story because i started to write a blog about this guy was like. Is anyone blocking this football i. The blog is done. I couldn't bring myself to publish it. Because i couldn't bear the comments that would be coming forth from something inside me just died as i was writing it and i just couldn't but it's the national guard troops. You know leading up to the election twenty. It was twenty five thousand troops. Twenty thousand six hundred guard troops were deployed to dc. Now that number. Look at me reading. Yeah so of course. They were all sleeping. There's these photos that have gone super viral of them sleeping on the floor of the capitol and all these politicians were bringing them pizzas and doing photo opposite them and coming to spend time with them. Well immediately after the inauguration guess where they got swept away to these troops little bit of a out of sight out of mind. They were all swept over to a parking garage. The news of the troops treatment thursday night after the inauguration it created outrage. A flurry of congressional phone quickly resulted in guard members. Being moved out of the thurgood marshall judicial center garage before midnight to a new break area. And this all started like tweets and articles started coming out of troops saying they felt betrayed. And there's only two bathrooms for five thousand then. Most importantly there was no. I find the thurgood marshall parking which would make me legit insane but it was parking. Garages are cold. They smelled is exhausted. This there's that but immediately politicians are like once again like this is a travesty and then civilians were like politicians. Don't care about the troops. The troops were like this. Just sucks in general. But that's the huge and so it was just this whole big flurry of of craziness and people saying like this is a clear sign already. Biden hates the troops and it was just to me. It was just a failure on the national guard. Not seeing that they were gonna to get was very over the top like like the coverage of it was extremely over the top one. That's not what they are spending the night. It's were there in the middle of a shift where they're doing their break periods. You're not going to go back to your room in a hotel. No matter where they put on they could put them in like madison square garden and they would all be sitting around a little cuddle puddles no matter where they go like. That's just the way the nature of this is and there's not a shot that this happened because a congress person said we need to get him outta here. This happened because some crusty started major. Master sergeant so all those pictures going viral of everybody in the capitol building and said we look nasty shit. We need to get somewhere where everybody's not seeing it and making pictures when you do this right now. The commander was like yeah. That's a good idea. let's get them over here. It was good initiative bad judgement. That's all nations is this. This isn't that hard right like you know. What are they complaining about. I don't mean to diminish anything what i don't know the full extent of their mission there in dc right now currently but And i don't think it's mostly then that's complaining. It's people complaining. I haven't seen much of like people being on twitter complaining about it at all like everybody complaining on their behalf. Like you're in the military. You understand that your downtime that you're going to have places that you're going to sit that suck like s that's in a motor pool. If that's anywhere you're going to be. That's the way they got a couple of some of the journalists went into the parking russian. They got a couple of quotes from troops saying like like they did feel betrayed. This sucks and that the other day. Bob law so that didn't help matters at all but like to me it. Just you're gonna get that no matter what he's gonna do that anywhere for any training mission. That's what you're going to get and it just became a rifle range at fucking five o'clock in the morning on any marine base. That's exactly what sentiment that i started to see was like that. I agreed with. Which is why i think the whole story. Eric me so much. None of you care that we've been at war for twenty years. Why the fuck do you care if a few of us are taking a break in a parking garage like why is this the thing you care about and not some other things because it's easy for you to politicize to go post on your social media for your side or whatever and twisted the way you want it was just another case of using the troops for like people to be their own fucking mouth piece that just coming out there with your pr. People that take videos of these kindness out of my face. You wanna do it do it and let it come out later. Did not putting it out by your pr person. You're just using it. That's the only reason. Why are the only just super annoying to me. It was like yeah. But i think it's. I don't think anybody actually ordered them to do it. I i think it was. There was somebody who said that we looked nasty. Let's go outside. Yeah and then people were like it was the capitol police who forced them out and it was like come guys come on our. Let's move onto round number five. This one has to do with I saw a thread going around on twitter. And i thought it was very interesting. The craziest thing someone you knew in uniform are said or believed and you do because people come from all facets of life. I think we've talked about this. Before that. people like to view the military audience in the military demographic as a broad brush of paint like everybody is the exact same. You have people that. Come from legitimately any type of life. Like i had a dude. That was a wiccan. Religion wicca whenever. I was in boot camp and i was like i've never met anybody that believes in liquor before. This is crazy that that's the way it goes. It's not all people from the south doing their own thing. That's just not the way it is so you get some crazy ideas that people believe in you guys absolutely and then all has to happen. Is somebody with the smallest level of rank says it will then. It must be true. It must be gospel Which is scary considering that michael. Flynn used to be a three-star terrifying. Actually yes the first one that i want to go through chemical fire. He said i had a soldier who is so adamantly opposed to having a cell phone. He didn't want the government to track him that he tried to join and smu with a one hour recall. He legitimately tried to sell them on just giving him a walkie talkie to give a hole in the military. They're tracking you. Government knows about you. Yeah interesting the next went up is somebody named. Chris said i don't need to shower. I just don't sweat like normal people. There's so many people who shit we have grown men having to sit in the barracks room of other grown men to make sure they showered and even to the point where they had to give them lessons on how to shower properly all over again. Because they didn't even know to get in there crevices and shit like that like what. They don't realize what they don't realize when you when you don't shower all the negative advertising effects of nausea showering they just in their head the thinking. Well i'm just gonna get dirty again tomorrow. What's the point of showering well. There's gonna be some health effects of you. Don't shower baby wipe yourself so you need to clean your nasty body guys. Who thought that. The bug treated candies. That had that special cody on them. That you didn't really have to wash because they never smelled and i'm like no you smell promise you can stay here. Uniform stinks wash it. Yep excellent up. He said i had a marine told me once. They didn't need to wash their bath towel because they clean themselves in the shower. So the towel can never be dirty. This many lodge may yes. Yes from it from a pure black and white standpoint like okay. Maybe that checks out but then you will logically and you get one step past that united way that makes zero sense whatsoever but it doesn't really make a lot of sense how water could make something dirty right like even if it is just water. That's coming on their like wet. Water starts to become more like. How does that happen. You're still putting your wise at the ocean but still touching that and your butthole will never be clean polling. No i disagree with that but no one else this is. This is a good one this next one going back to our in the this wind supports me getting a milkshake when i pressed the button every time a medical officer who is an md stated that you can live on any food the body will make what it means cheesecake. Yes he said. His mother was an orgy. He assured us. Why don't hate. I don't hate that. Logic milkshakes yeah. I think that there is some. I don't think you could be as healthy as possible. But i think that there is some validity that because like i've seen kids that live in my house survive own for years on only macaroni. That's perfectly healthy. Otherwise you just make your body needs and my wife she had. There's a dude. There was also a doctor and they work together and he said that he would get his calorie. Sometimes from the day just from starbucks drinks like the ones that have four or five hundred calories he would eat like five or six of those a day and that's his three. I remember reading the book. Angela's ashes which is beautiful a gut wrenching story of an irish family generations of an irish family during the famine blah blah blah. There's so anytime has ashes of the tower. You know it's going to be so it's very my big take away from it. Because i read it in high school was that the father survived off just a guinness guinness he. He's like it's guinness. Got all the vitamins and everything you need. So when i was in college sometimes i was like all. I need guinness. I'll be fine. Go like when when money was tight. I'd be like. I'll treat myself to a guinness for dinner tonight or when i was doing. Stand up in the city. When i first moved back and got out the military no money i would go to an open mic and be like i'll just have to guinness's that'll be dinner myself that that was like food. Hey matt damon survived on just potatoes morris. So there's some signs to poop stroke. Poop potatoes are different. Doesn't gather the next one up when lt at a s to who is really into y2k stockpiled food and ammo bought property in rome michigan which he fortified. It's all the entire chain of command. He wasn't coming back from block leave. He's just over for him Good times example of what pre nine eleven pre-nine eleven military. Yeah i love. I love you guys. Remember y two k. That was. That was a real big deal. The young kids. They won't know about that but we lived through it. We had a big party in our neighborhood and all the kids were like. What's going to happen. All that happened. Msrp got too drunk happened at all the next one up your leadership. Training and skills will be highly sought after in the private sector. Oh that's why you gotta lie and say your ranger. There's another one from alexander. He said the corporal had never heard of george washington and as he was. I believe that heartedly. We have people who work Brienna chicken fry born in one thousand. Nine hundred nine didn't know who dave matthews was. Oh i got angry at her. I texted her about that. I was. I was ridiculous because not only was born in one thousand. Nine hundred ninety. That's good isn't it not only get like maybe you don't know what a person looks like. But then they play a song and she didn't know what the song was either. They played ants marching. You don't know what ants marching. It's just preposterous to me. Some of these people that these young kids don't know it's unreal. But why do you. So why do you think that is. Because we obviously didn't grow up in the sixties and seventies bands from that matter. Why do you think kids. these days are jesus. has that sound kids. These days Old guy gone. But why do you think that is. I don't think she's lying. Well we knew the win new this huge stars. I think of the ones like if somebody would be like if there was a band that a lot of people in the seventies new. There's a good chance of ninety kid doesn't over that. I think there's only one band that universally across the board everybody knows kyle hit it. So it's john curley draw. Old jars were a birds. Some also blinded draw known s And sound me all right next one up says not a serviceman but one of my soldiers wives thought whatever direction she was facing driving was north presumably north was at the top of the maps whenever she turned that towel. Unless you put it in reverse in which case she was going so i can tell i see me doing that. It's a special lady. There's a dude that was trying to tell. Our i think was trying to tell at least where to pick up a prescription on bases different pharmacy and like you go to the east side of the building. An analyst like what the fuck eastbound building was like. I dunno know what building your own up. I don't know what side you're on. Either that's a weird way to explain it. The next what up the hand sanitizer boot camp. Everybody's sick Is said. I never use hand sanitizer before. Now they're making us use amer. I'll getting sick which somebody replied where you drinking it. I mean there is. Some people have said that this quarantine helps you knock it corona virus but the amount of like common cold and sicknesses and shit when people go back to work is going to be startled. Because we've been in our little bubbles for so long it's like the preschool kindergarten effect whenever they all start going back to school like nobody's used to their germs anymore. So it's going to get all fucked up. I think there's some truth to that one. That's why this one is this. What is the most lance-corporal thing i've ever heard. I can't get my girlfriend pregnant. 'cause my daddy had me circumciser. Now's the baby that someone. That's what happened us my guy. I said no wizard sleeve. We're in the clear and it's not the case high and the final one. I do have a sect to me about a year later. His wife got pregnant and she convinced him. Some sperm must have been stuck in there and broke free plenty. That's just the do that's in. Denial is like oh yeah makes All right let's move on favor alibis. Cons will start with you. What are you okay. let's see i up. Congrats army Men's and women's basketball beat navey. Nice on sunday number two. Did you guys see coach. Case press conference where he went after the student reporter. No i heard about this business kate. He was in use in a crappy mood because they had just lost. Duke is not having a great year and the coach the reporter student. I don't know what was said. You know how are you going to. What are you looking forward to. Or how do you come back from this. And he went into this tirade asking him what his hardest classes and if he had a bad test how he looked forward from that bottom line. He kind of bullied the kid. Because at this point at do coach. K.'s is mythical figure who intimidates a lot of people. So i think when you go so long and people just are constantly propping you up that people are afraid a lot of times one tell you the truth about a lot of things and to just go against anything you have to do. It was just a bad look for coach k. Kind of a little disappointed to see that from from a man who otherwise has a great deal of knowledge about leadership and and and being a good person so he get he gets fire watch for that yeah he looked like a dip and then finally did you guys see the hullabaloo this past weekend about president. Biden's watch had a rolex. We not seen vote of trump's old apartment in new york. Like what are we upset about. Like and i ain't well you know. This is going to sound snobby but the watch that he was wearing the model. It's not that expensive. It's not that extravagant. I think people automatically think rolex they think like. Oh my god. That's so crazy that you could afford a rolex. There's plenty of rolex under ten grand and that's just not ridiculous for a man who's you know presumably. Maybe invested his money wisely over. I mean you'd get a rolex for a lot cheaper than no. Yeah you can get a few thousand dollars depending on the model that you get but yeah. Kate mean not just trump but plenty of president had like why are we pretending they don't have and also i saw photos of they think maybe it was his late son's watch and then he watched so okay. So yeah i'd wanna wear something that. If i had a dead kid i wanna wear something that reminded me of them do. I don't know and also successful expensive as the same thing like when it was the same exact thing when dr bricks. I think our name is when she was wearing a different type of expensive scarf. Everyday like yes. She is a doctor who leads in her field and has for a long time and money and also in politics that long. I'm sure you know plenty of wealthy donors. That could have been a gift. I mean obviously said it was his sons but this is basically just me saying a rolex isn't as big of a flax. Everybody thinks this right. Yeah just don't tell that. To the producer of spitting chocolates that would hurt What about you kyle. What are you got. If you guys were in the oval office. And you got to pick one arcade game one arcade game. What would it be to be in the oval office. Easy for me. Golden tea golden okay. That's a good one all right if if chapters taken golden. I'm taking mba anything where you can get multiple people involved. I think is the move because it's tough meaning like him jam whether it was just cool down. Play some golden days. you know what. I'm googling right now. Erotic photo hunt. Ooh i love photo hunt in the bars. Oh man i used to get ripped at this at in college and there was this erotic photo hunt and me and the girls would just sit there forever whereas erotic photo bible school you know. Remember the bar games where they have these old like just a picture of bethsheba bathing on these photo. Do you know what just plain old photo hunters. Remember those highlights magazines where they would show you pictures and you had to pick the differences. That's all it is a roddick is you're looking at this. Little computer screens sitting on the bar is old. S computer screen to photos pop up. And it's like a lady bent over and a thong hold onto her tits and there's two of them and you have to you get to touch the screen and pick the differences between the two photos and however fast you do it flaps you pick out like in the photo that are different since called erotic photography but there was a lot of shit hole bars. You could find this game. I have a porn pitch. That i wanna give me What if you make. What if you make an app and you know like it's on ipad so just an ipad or tablet and whenever you're going through the pictures where you know like if you want to maximize something zoom in where you do like the pull method where you like. Put things together and you pull it out. It'll expand what if you did that. But you can open up certain parts like if you you could be like look in somebody's butthole and then closed. Backup like apl. Heil meyer cade. Game now fighter. I douse the other one. I was thinking of. We'll see here's why not every method you guessed street fighter. Though that's all the all the visiting foreign dignitaries would have to play with. Their countries represented settle shifts. Step back good kit. Racism charges might be pretty extreme. There i do put a disclaimer on it. Like this i race. I don't hate that. What about if we my one of my favorite ones. If they headed at our cade i always played at once the california dreamers to next to each other that was a good one absolutely and also if they did the one where you're on like a motorcycle like imagine having like didn't y'all life and biden yet who go back and forth over and be like let's figure this also we also put in ski ball and then if you get tickets you get to take something out of the oval office as yvonne dude. That's how decide the fifty fifty split the audit. Just have them come out there and they had to video gas like. That's the one by combat. Imagine you have mitch. Mcconnell versus chuck. Schumer dance dance revolution trying to crush on the senate floor to see somebody in the chairman of the house any score. If we made every member on capitol hill do dance dance revolution. How many do you think would make it out alive without having heart attacks i think. Afc was i think she's a big powell media. People that'd be a way to get the over Gallagher who do leo. But it would be hilarious to see somebody like mitch. Mcconnell tried to do dance dance revolution. Would actually if they were smart. They would do that like where you would have something like that to humanize. Everybody should just have a cynic game or they bring out all kinds of stuff and put it in there like a carnival broadcast on c. span. Where everybody's gonna see italico land party. I would like to see like a talent show tonight where they like. How andrew gangs trying to pretend. He's a normal new yorker right now and he like didn't know how to work the bush little bananas and the bodega and he's like hello fellow. Cool teens There should be yeah. It was really strange whenever somebody asked him how he's doing on twitter like hey i'm working very. I would like to see a night where everybody in. The senate has to give their best attempt at being a normal human like fellow. Hey fellow american. And what. Their idea of that is and they. It's like a but before you do that. You may have to make sure that you unplug ted cruz and plug them back. Sorry going to teach his warren how to open a beer. Yeah i'm just through. They put the little bottle opener on the back of their seat of the senate got here. We go again great tasting. Just one of the girls accept this ice cream cost forty five dollars. What does this ice cream force. No i was just thinking about nancy. Pelosi doing dance dance revolution. That just made me chuckle. I'm sorry ooh yeah. Her ankles would survive. Every politician should have with the nor meaning. Yeah you just get dropped mitch. Mcconnell where frank. The tank goes home with senator every weekend where they have to show mike around. I see him. They have to go to frame through the window. Yeah it would be hilarious to see mitch mcconnell trying to ask for a pizza from the window. Let's talk skins and you're really honestly the next time we go to washington whenever that may be there certain people we should just bring with us that have nothing to do zero about thirty just other barstool people and just bring yet killed with great. I think frank tank will look. Yeah i think that definitely can kate. Save rounds nothing now. That's it for me already kyle. Mine was the video games. And that's i don't really have anything. It's been a good little weekend here at my house. Still teaching how to dry. How's that going to like. I remember learning how to drive. And i don. I had like a somewhat of foundation from driving golf carts and driving a ride on lawnmower. Kinda got some things. How do you teach someone who's just nothing you can get in the what's your what's been your method little baby steps. I'm really going back to how i would teach in the marine corps like. It's really taught me a lot of patients. Because teaching dog handlers. If they're stressed we always say that stress goes down leash. The dogs will be able to tell to in that moment. Even as a leader of marines you have to be super calm like whenever you're telling him no matter what's going on i really don't break like nervousness or anything. I'm very common that situation. So i think that's really been helpful and to demonstrate the same thing i would like your next period structure is going to be reversing and this destruction. We're going to tell you how to go through the whole process of what i'm teaching how to do. And she's doing pretty good at it so we went on the road for the first time. The parking lot through a neighborhood over speed bumps for the first time like earlier this week and it was. It was something like going through. Because she's like super nervous about getting too far out and going around cars. And i'm worried about kids. Dr not her not feeling super comfortable going from gas to break. It is crazy to think that you don't go from not driving to driving this thousand pound things super fast in neighborhoods around kids and ship. It really is a why sometimes on amazed at this comedian i forget which comedian i think andy richter was saying he's teaching his daughter to drive right now and she's been super nervous about it and he said the one thing he told her that contrary down was like look how many idiots driving. And they're fine. You can do it. I promise but what i was gonna say. It's crazy that we as a country. There's no like hey let's check back in and see how this person's doing with driving issues like once you get that license you're good to go. You're ninety can't see that we don't care you could still have that license. It's unbelievable gathered. It's because those old folks vote. That's the reason why that was the reason why we won't tolerate it. Meanwhile if they didn't vote and they didn't donate primarily to political funds. There is no shot. we wouldn't have to redo. I mean every five years at least after you turn sixty well. Hopefully most families. We had to do a family. Intervention wants one of our older relatives ping pong off every card on their street. It's time i'm so. So that's a that's the thing. That's the thing too prideful. They're not going to self police themselves. They're everyone's always going to say. Oh no i'm fine. I can drive drunk drive because that's your freedom and it's hard thing to like that. Remember that marine. That lived in austin and he was like one hundred and seven years old. He was the last like one of the last living. War two veterans from his unit. And whenever he came out he was like yeah. I'm still driving at one hundred and three like i'm doing my you should have. I understand that you feel like you're crushing it. But you're probably going to be crushed. Yes exactly exactly saw driver's licenses. Yeah strat talking drivers. We'll see you guys on friday big interview coming up. Look forward to that. You're gonna love the interview that you're on friday on the retreat with a study you donna. Dirty owed study all the same way as across through new in the town. Look still wayne's harleys with with good old a may not be to iraq made mel. Beat you del. You do your own so starting out for god knows rowan clouds. The one goes moscow yard what.

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November 24  Hour 1  Broncos Judgement | Nuggets Free Agency | Mark Knudson

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November 24 Hour 1 Broncos Judgement | Nuggets Free Agency | Mark Knudson

"It colfax the very popular the very competitive top text. Tuesday i'll take your. I'll take your best your best texts today and we'll see we'll see a wins this thing. I've got a couple of hooligans colfax that could perhaps walk away with the denver nuggets. Swag the the bag. We have the gym bag. We have the nicola yokich hoodie. The memorabilia. The the cousy as the bumper stickers. I mean it's denver nuggets mortar back. Here folks it's gonna be great so here here's the. Here's the tally card. Here's the stat sheet for you pillow fight. Dan has to he could win today. Dickson has to the arch nemesis of the show could win today. Sir charles has to. He could win today. And i think that's it is it. Is that three. We have three. That could possibly win. Mclean has one enquiring mind is one new grabbed one last week. Beer ads in the mix. Ken bones in the mix. So there you go you. Have you have an opportunity here. Let's see do we keep this thing going for another week or surcharges. Dixon pill dan will they be the ones to win this. Go ahead and text the program. I invented sex line. Three one nine six three one nine nine six. We're going to get this thing off to a great start today Talking broncos nuggets power to play sports. Poll question of the day is available. It is nuggets related question today. Did the nuggets get better or worse since the draft and the star free agency go vote right now at the whole show dot com for more. You can text us or post on our social media feeds. And i'll read some of your comments from their aaron worse guy says on paper it seems they got worse. It depends on the growth of pj and what the others do. I think conley underestimated the situation with grant. I think that he assumed that everyone was on the same page in the denver became such a destination that he wouldn't lose grant when grant wanted other things. Perhaps it's a lesson learned. Yeah good good taxed great text. John has worse if the goal is a championship this season. Good pieces adding the draft for sure but we fail to make championship. Contending moves with that. Which was ashamed. Somewhere in between says zane a lot is riding on 'em pj's development. Dave goes crazy. Here bring hardened denver. Winning costs money harden would not how can check on this fax. How many championships does james harden half zero zero. Yeah yeah yeah. That's not a superstar that you want to build around not right now anyway. I mean the nuggets. Don't need another superstar. They needed another compliment. And is that michael porter jr. that that is the question right. I mean when you look at the denver nuggets roster now and the moves they made you. Are you still. You are left wondering who's playing. Who's playing defense on those on those big time forwards those str- stretch fours. Whatever i mean. Who's playing defense you do have to ask does so the way i figure it. Colfax the starting lineup for denver. This is just where i'm going with it. Jamal murray one. Gary harris that to michael porter jr. at three paul millsap is back and i think we're pretty relieved by that. Are we convinced that. Paul millsap was that that just that much worse than jeremy grant now. I'm just playing. I'm just trying to see this out here. One on one defensive defensively it seems like millsaps still better so millsap four nicola five if jeremy grant if the nuggets would have signed both and there was indication that they wanted to keep both they were done with plumbly would millsap started the first part of the season so that that's what i have as the starting lineup. The rest gets a little murky the depth perhaps gets a little murky and yes that four that power forward position position is is a little suspect because millsaps not getting a younger. He didn't play. You know he wasn't lights out by any means last season But yeah you have a lot of questions question mark surrounding this team you know. Did they get any better. Did they get worse I'll answer the question. They certainly didn't get any better so yeah they're a little bit worse because they lost a key piece but again why it's such a crazy shot here so much relies on michael porter. Jr. now you're done with torrey craig. You're moving on from torrey craig. He's not gonna play defense porter. You gotta play man. I mean if you're not defense on whenever covid nineteen code red. Goes away when you're able to go out mpg. Needs to play defense on everybody. He sees colfax. I means you if you're out in the street. I wanna play defense on you. I want him trying to stop you from getting to your to your next destination. That is what. I want. Michael porter jr. playing defense in the in the grocery stores posted up strengthen himself by just any anything he does man that guy's got planned because so much rides on that so when you look at the key additions for denver. All right zeke. Nause i like. But i just don't know if he's gonna. It doesn't sound like from tim. Conley from what we we had last week. We didn't end up playing it. It sounded like with conley said. Was that neither one zeke. Rj hampton who they traded and ended up getting draft pick are going to be impact players as soon as this season. You have you have that. Okay this is. Tim conley talking about whether or not zeke and rj hampton would be impact players in year one. Let's let's hit that sink when you're a a team that had the success we had. I think it's dangerous to expect too much. In first year players. We saw some opportunities to add at talent last night and we went for the view. Those guys asserted long-term place. So i don't have to bear in what we do in free agency know that it's true. So should the nuggets have now when we had chris dempsey. I'm we're we're efforting into game on and it's nuts right now in dempsey world because of everything going on with the nuggets When we talked to dempsey before the draft we said hey this draft is gonna tell us a lot about what the nuggets are going to do. Well they drafted a power forward but it still at pick twenty two. That is a crap. Shoot as far as whether or not they're going to produce this season or not odds are no odds are rj hampton. No so you have to take those things into consideration unless the nuggets were willing to get aggressive and move up in the draft. They weren't going to find the guy that was going to make an immediate impact this year. Dixon without really knowing what you'll get from the rookies and the other new guys you have to say they got worse. Grant had a huge impact and like it or not played a lot of minutes. Let's be honest. Another year of millsaps starting is not a good thing. The dropped from grant to millsaps huge. Worse offensively yes defensively. No as far as the drop goes mclean. Does it even matter got better or worse. The lakers got better. not good. hopefully mpg. Learned a thing or two about defense from grant. You look at what the lakers did. And marcus all. Yesterday is lebron. Copy everything that kobe did. Because now he brought a kazaa gonzalo over to try to finish out at around out his career. So anthony davis mantras. Herrell caldwell-pope lebron james. Dennis schroder now at the one instead of rondo and but that assault does he start probably starts right so now. He starts herald coming off the bench. Yeah the lakers got better. The lakers got a lot better and golden state even with klay thompson. Did they get better while they. They like their draft pick. Kelly oubre junior out of the phoenix. Or excuse me with the with the free agency sign. I meant say. James wiseman second pick overall but then kelly oubre junior bringing him over in the free agent side. I mean they got. They got better to even with klay thompson. Being out they're going to improve from what they were last year. They should be a playoff team. Even without clay nuggets signed for cuneo sounds like saying bad composite. Oh from real madrid. He's twenty nine. I'm excited to see him. I don't. I'm not gonna say that. That got the that made them instantly better job. Michael green i mean some some okay names there but you lost plumlee and yeah. We can argue about please production. He wasn't. I mean he was. He had he got a lot of meaningful minutes. Dixon brady the thought already was that mpg was going to start one way or the other. So that's not really issues. Losing grandma's production. No it is. The issue is some of the issue because michael porter jr. was is expected to start because he's an offensive threat. Even if michael porter jr. didn't get any better at defense from right now to this day. The twenty four th day of november to christmas time. They're still going to start him. He's going to start but if he can play defense. You're not going to feel it as badly going up. You know once you're kind of going down the stretch and you're reaching into your depth a little bit porter got off the the court because he couldn't play defense Dixon grant was freaking guarding lebron. And doing pretty well. Let's not like like grant didn't play defense mill shirt millsaps sure as heck and guarding lebron. I mean grand play defensively. Yeah he had his moments where he played defense. But you know it's just like saying who's gonna who tori craig's defense is going to guard who's gonna replace torrey craig craig blitz a few times man. I mean he got absolutely torched in some of those games and some of those playoffs games. No i'm not saying jeremy grant was a loss. But you're acting like we're going from jeremy grant to a four string power forward. Paul millsap still can play defense. No you're not guy who can guard. Lebron james who i mean this whole idea that we were shutting down lebron with jeremy grant and tori craig. Now what are we gonna do. That was not the case. At least i was watching a different game. Grant did play well. He had his moments. No doubt about it but it wasn't as if lebron anthony davis weren't doing whatever the hell they want it last. I checked dixon. Lebron had eight points in that final game to put the nuggets to rest and anthony. Davis had twenty seven. So i mean okay. Jeremy grant had twenty points in that game. Paul millsap had thirteen. They both started. I liked that come. Listen i'm not trying to say it's not a huge loss. They did get worse. But this whole idea. That paul millsap is just this guy off the street that the nuggets are going to need a rent. A cop a renta forward so to speak is is ridiculous. He's still got something in the tank. Would i have chose. Jeremy grant over millsap but this the nuggets issue what what. What do you suggest the nuggets should have done. Because they thought he was coming back they offered him from my knowledge they offered him what detroit offered him. He didn't want to be four guy he didn't want to be part of the crew. He wanted to be a bigger edition. He wanted to be a big time star. He wants to start working his way to that and he doesn't think he can achieve that with denver. That's for my understanding of the whole situation. I mean again. You wanna talk about guarding guarding lebron. James i mean he had twenty six and in game four. Anthony davis at thirty four. So they're going to get. There's no matter who's garden. I'm really and unless you're going out and you actually just find someone. Specifically that is a defensive juggernaut. One on one defense of juggernaut and grant is good. I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's not but don't act like you know you go from jeremy grant to a fourth string power forward suddenly. Yeah you're hurting. It's not doesn't look great right now. But to say that michael porter jr. was gonna start anyway so that doesn't matter no. His development is key. How many times did the nuggets look bad defensively because puerto was just out of rotation so he has to be better at defense. All the way through but gr- dixie should have offered more for for more than detroit gave him twenty million. The market was showing that he was sixteen. You give him. How much money do you think they have. They got they still have to figure out a few other things here. I mean if they would've given him twenty million dollars twenty one million twenty two million dollars to stay boy. You're reaching you're already paying jamal. Murray thirty two million joker thirty million harris's twenty male twenty million. Sure you could've tried to move harris a little bit more to make some room but barnes at fifteen. I mean these guys are getting paid. and how how. How many big name guys can you have on there. How many big pay guys can you have on your roster. Because eventually you're if if puerto works out the way you think he's going to. You're going to sign him too. Big money you got murray's contract taking care of joker twenty one million is what you're asking essentially just to just to assume that grant would have chose you a million dollars extra. It's i'm not saying the nuggets didn't do a. I'm not saying. I'm not trying to forgive them. There should have been a better plan in place. What would that have been getting aggressive for. Another power forward reaching out finding out if that's the hard part about this whole thing. That's the hard part about the draft being on wednesday and free agency starting on a friday. If denver new grant was gone. Don't you think they would have got really aggressive to move up in the draft and get an even better graded power forward somebody that might be able to give you instant minutes or maybe halfway through the season. Zig najji is a is a question. Mark dixon did grant actually say those words that speculation. No grant did not tell me that that That he what. What are we saying here dixon. Who told you about grant where they did. Where did they get that from. What what are you talking about. Who told me about what the grant looked. Around and y- that's speculation. Grant doesn't want to be a fourth wheel buddy. This is the nba. This isn't college basketball. Absolutely especially speculation. But that's real don't have inside sources that told me jeremy grant probably didn't want to be the he no question he didn't want to be the fourth. Why the hell would you go to detroit over denver for the same amount of money you answer. Answer me that question. Answer the question. Why would you choose detroit over denver when denver has a shot to win a title or at least close. They went to the western conference finals over a twenty and forty six team. You tell me i'm waiting. I don't need an inside guy to come and tell me that he wants to be the guy for detroit. At least one of the guys. I finish text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine six. He'll be starting no question he will be the problem. Okay right now. If you go to look at detroit's develop chart. Here's what you got. Derrick rose at point guard ellen right at shooting guard jeremy grant at small forward blake griffin at power. Forward center is mason plumlee. That is your projected depth chart. Now it's gonna change with their draft. Picks being put into the fold there. They did get sick bay. I like him a lot. But i don't know if he starts right off the bat they have a lot of guys they have to sort through on the depth chart but as of right now. Espn dot com has mason plumlee as the starting center. So you tell me why. Jeremy grant chose to go to detroit over denver. He didn't want to be the fourth he wanted to be. More of a robin to batman. You'd think i'm wrong then. Come up with a better answer. Because you've got the same money you gotta prospect to win a title with denver certainly more so than detroit and yet you went to detroit. You tell me what you think. Twenty three minutes after the hour. That's exactly what it is. I'm fired up about this. Don't act like this was a jeremy grant really loves detroit this time of year. Come on. that's the only reason that is the only reason. I don't need inside scoops to be able to give takes on this program so the whole show power biped energy. We're live from the collision specialists studios power to play sports. Did they get better or worse or does it all depend on michael porter jr. fifty percent of the whole against saying it's all on pj and it does rest on him. He's not the same position but if he can't play defense they're all out of sorts. We'll be right back inside the bears. Dan presented by chris. Musa agency allstate insurance tonight. At six. northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi k no code now. Weekdays at four northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. This is mark. Johnson voice to the colorado buffaloes. And you're listening to the whole show with my buddy brady ho on thirteen ten. Kfi twenty minutes after the hour. Top techs tuesday. sorry. I'm getting a little a little heated there. I know i mean you guys helped me all. Have chris dempsey on the program. Maybe he'll help us make some sense of this thing at one o'clock but it's like this giant hangover for for nuggets nation. Colfax i really. I really feel that way today. You expected jeremy grant was a sure thing. Should nuggets have prepared for the worst case scenario. Everything that i in. This is from inside information. Everything that i had heard was that he you know his plan was to stay in denver. If he could make it happen. So hey listen. This is why we're going to have our own insider on the program we'll we'll snuff out everything so if he wasn't offered every rumor everything that i heard was that he was offered essentially the same amount and it's to me the nuggets. Are there one of four five favorites to be a contender for the title next year. I think they're close. I feel like they're closer than golden. Stay right now sir. Charles looks like they need to reach out to joan. Harada get some cheap defense. Let's start the radical movement. You're going to need a defensive specialist. And is gary harris. Still that guy is. Is he still a defensive specialist. I mean yes but he can't. he's not going to be able to guard. You know those those bigger guys. Those lebron james type guys those big four type guys so yeah the nuggets. We we here. We're here today. This tuesday asking the question. Did the did the nuggets get worse over the weekend. Free their draft. I thought was fine for where they were should. They have gotten more aggressive knowing. If should they have planned for. Jeremy grant to be god. Here's the thing if you get so aggressive and grant does sign with you. Then you lose pieces. You might have holes and other spots to county. Swamy safe to say brady is not thankful for terrible texts by dixon. I listen. it's not that it's a terrible texas. I don't need an inside scoop to say that. Jeremy grant looked around at the lineup in denver. And said you know. I'm better off with my personal career. Going to detroit where i can be relied on a little bit more so get more touches because who's getting the touches in denver joker murray now. Mp a they're getting the shots that's that's the way it's going thirty one minutes after the hour we're gonna take a short break here colefax. I'll tell you though. Red wing shoes greeley johnstown. Write those down. Hogan's us all you gotta do is walk in the store. You'll find a sled it's k. 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You're listening to the hall show on thirteen ten. Kfi thirty six two minutes after the hour. Thanks Shoutout to cr four by four zero before by four dot com at crp. Four by four truck outfitters. They offer top quality parts and accessories at a location in greeley but they service all of northern colorado. All right joining me now. Mark kanoute's who writes his his three-strikes blog. I thirteen ten. Kfi dot com contributed forty page dot com mark. There's no way no on air nado someday ends up in dodgers uniform right. If it happens it better be a situation where he he went through a rocky to someplace else then ended up with the dodgers. Because if iraqis were trading on her no the dodgers. I think that's catastrophic to the franchise. I think there'd be for the first time in some years there will be a fan revolt. You're right. I mean dings are getting so tough right now we all. We can argue about drew. Lock nuggets fans today or this week. Rugged about jeremy grants and how. Maybe this guy is falling. Her isn't falling with the rockies. It's pretty clear. It does not rocky and jeff bridges still here. I don't know that many rockies fans can you name one rockies fan that would come to their defense no It all a little bit every team including the rockies. Lots of hundred million dollars this year. That's significant it's like the markets are not fabulously wealthy. People by baseball owners standards. So i get i get. There's that'd be pairing own. Baseball diamond backs are doing the same thing. It's going to happen. Okay but and i. And i don't think knowing i was going to be a rocky up to the trade deadline for that reason. I don't think he's gonna opt out opting out would be foolish at this point because he'd be walking away from thirty five billion dollars in during a recession when other teams aren't gonna pay that the unions not going to be okay with that 'cause agency be okay with that so he's gonna get traded for trade him to the american league. Don't you train them. So he's not coming back to haunt you. Don't train them to your chief. Rival that part that blows my mind is being considered mark. That's the problem. Right is we we. Let's go back before pandemic. Brian nolan having their issues. Right and it sounds like oh maybe. Maybe this isn't going to be a happy ending like we all want it. Then the pandemic happens all the talk. It's won't talk to me about it doesn't want to get into it. Nolan seems frustrated. Still okay so that's already strike one and then and then trade him somehow okay. Strike to trade him to a division rival strike three. I mean absolutely awful right. I mean there's let's face it there's only a few teams out right now. That can take on a thirty five million dollars contract one. That's per year for the next five years. the one that jumps to mind commutes the mets. They have a new owner. He didn't go through these loss of he didn't get hammered like the other people did so he's fresh and he's got a lot of money calling. I can see that move happening. If not all got veto power over any trade. But if no one's convince the mets are gonna be a contender. You know they go out and get somebody else you know you never know. He might be okay with that. Obviously the yankees and dodgers could also pull it off but you cannot trade on their on your chief rival in the vision. You can't that suicide. That's that's basically giving flipping the bird to your fans and you can talk about the monetary part. And all that i get that and i'm so i'm sensitive to that but i've told you before i think it's gonna purge at the end of this year. I don't think trevor stories iraqi and twenty twenty two charlie black. I'll be rocking. John grades on all their contracts ended. Twenty twenty one and i think there's gonna be my main problem. Is i get into do that. Other teams have done it. I understand that. But who's gonna do the rebuilt the best in the first place. That's the issue. I think most was locked up. Prices ability to build a team the rockies only lip-service service analytics with other teams like tampa opener kicking tale by narrow Small-market teams now big market team. So i think the rockies has been enough mistakes and free agency and the player development been mediocre at best. I don't trust him to do the rebuild. And i think if there's a rebuild there's a and there's you brought somebody from campo you brought to you by with with the backend analytics with that. 'cause the rebel really probably wouldn't take all that long so mark is it is it. Doomed is out his future maybe they're the rockies at some point dick mon for the he sees the light in realizes he's going to make the choice. We're going to stick with nolan. we're going to. we are going to go through the purge But nolan's the one guy would nolan consider out of british isn't around. Yeah i think so. And i think we saw we saw the exact same scenario. You're talking about health. And we won rocky. That stuck around. Larry walker left everybody else but they kept taut hilton because he was the cornerstone. It was todd two toddlers for awhile. So yeah there's there's precedent for them to keep nolan and take the by december story and say goodbye other guys and start over that way The reason one would do. It is strictly if he thought the right. People were in charge to rebuild. And of course money's gonna matter because depending has changed the landscape of fancy for everybody. There's only a few teams that can take on trade. He can't go to somebody that you know that he might want to go play for. They can't afford it. They just can't Every team's hurting right now. The angels already have their their expensive days. And that's we like to go so the padres like to go to the west coast. Well those are. You know that's not going to happen. So yeah he's choices are limited if he wants to stick with the contract and trust me having been a member of the union they do not want salary reduction any player take a salary cut so north opted out. You'd be taking a salary cut. And the unions gonna fight that. They're not gonna wanna do that. That's why it's gonna be a sign and trade or a trade as a deadline. Something like that so no one keeps his current contract wherever he ends up. I think it'd be a different uniform. Twenty twenty two. Okay mark so let me let me do this side of it obviously. Everyone's coming at it with. We love nolan. If no one's gone we roy can can. I play the devil's advocate. Ask okay at the end of the day. What exactly have you won with nolan with all the end when at the end if you do break it all down bottom line is you still got to have someone pitch mark. You know that more than anybody. There's there's the there's the rocky side of things right there but again you trust jeff friday chip he could've trade on the dodgers better get walker bueller cory seager back in return right if you do that and then people go well. Okay i okay. But that's not his history. Is israel a bunch of draft picks and free agent prospects and so on and so forth and they won't be anything that that come close to getting the value of illinois bottom. That's the problem. I if again this was a deal where the rockies could rebuild their team with four or five ready to go prospects then. I think everybody would be on board with that for the reasons you just laid out that. They haven't won anything like when the playoffs twice with nolan. But the last two years have been miserable. And you know you you've got to bottom line is it's more about the team and there's about one individual player. Yeah no no question mark. You know what. I think's interesting here. We are talking about the rockies and there's no playoffs there's no how they're gonna contend. There's none of that discussion going on on the nuggets. And what is the talk today. It's oh they didn't do enough to keep up with the lakers. This is what i want to remind. I'm getting a lot of crap today. Because i'm trying to say that sky's not a completely following the nuggets fans right now. You are debating what they did or didn't do to keep up with the best team in the nba and get for the rockies. You're saying okay when we purge this thing who's going who's rebuilding this thing. I mean my guys. Look at the difference in the two franchises right now at this moment. Yeah it wasn't very long ago. It was re around tape with the dodgers in the in the nuggets. Trying to rebuild. So yeah that's that's sports that's how it goes And i obviously would rather having talks about how the division like the nuggets are right now through for that matter then with rockies are going through but i twenty twenty raw focus on the negative. Aren't we trying to get something better. Comes up the other end. Yeah no doubt man. I mean it's it's a it's a or my we we had coach. Niko medved on show friday and then two hours later. It's announced that the on hall for two weeks so you just never know hey. Mark speaking of colorado state. I'm reading this article in the colorado today. This story you know about joe parker and this athlete athlete group. They're being there pretty serious. are they. Want joe parker gone. I think we lost mark there but still we got him long enough to get some interesting takes there. Do we have him still. he's still there. He hanging in forty percent eighty percent listenable. Maybe even at that mark. We still have you man. You were giving us some thoughts on colorado state. joe parker. What's what's going on there. Like i said when. I flew heart really. Therefore we all that got holder. He doesn't sit in the press box with you and me and stay warm. He sits in the crowds when they have crowds at football games. So he's not doing this spite. He's not writing these things. Try to get somebody. But there's real issues here we don't know how serious they are Obviously the student group that feels like it really is serious and the joe park is going to look the other way during all this. You got a new president. Who didn't hire joe parker. I you know. Kelly probably told you the same phobia killing. I thought joe survives this school year. He's eighty going to the next school year. We'll we'll wrap up there mark. Sorry we lost him in no i. I do want to comment on that last point. I whether you are in the camp that agrees with joe parker or is backing. Joe parker or against joe. Parker doesn't it. Get to the point where there's just too much i mean. What do you think about that. Colefax were maybe joe parker's innocent and this whole thing. Maybe joe parker's graded his job and it's all just a big misunderstanding. Going way back to the larry station days. Because i think he was put in between a rock and a hard place on that with president toni. Frank and larry station. 'cause i think frank that was his guy would you stay she and parkers and tough spot. This whole covert thing man. I mean name anybody. That's handling it right. Let's just say he's innocent. Do you get to. The point is an organization where you're like. There's just too much. There's just too much stuff coming out or do you fight the good fight if you truly believe in this guy you it because it's not going away anytime soon. I mean the latest story from the colorado from miles bloom. Hard is about this athlete group. And there's two active players for my knowledge. And then i think the rest are former players and this isn't just football basketball. Okay this is the whole thing. And joe parker oversees all of it. So i mean there's a lot of cove in nineteen protocols how their mishandling that apparently racial insensitivity and abuse and most recently sexual misconduct cases. We talked about that. One right in with the with the booster club and in the At the stadium and all that does it. Get to the point where it just keep stacking up for. You do go where there's smoke. There's fire i personally know joe Not like we don't go out for beers or anything. I'd be open to that. Joe give me a call. I've had a great time having him on the program here because that doesn't mean i know the guy personally i don't know what he's overlooking or under looking or blowing off and say no. I'm not going to deal with that. There is a part of me though. That really thinks that a most of what joe's issues are is that perhaps he gets a big issue and and maybe hopes it goes away or addresses it a little bit and then hopes it goes away. I can't tell you for sure though. I really don't know i just wonder how much more this as as a school are. You going to put up with. Dixon says let millsap right off to the sunset right off into the sunset. You are so going to be whistling a different tune. Come january when you see what grant really meant to the team and millsap does the same old same. I'll move of dribbling. The ball between his legs a couple of times fumbling out of bounds as he falls down. Dude i don't think we're that far off here. I know you're the arch nemesis of the show. But i don't think we're that far off. I'm saying it's a terrible move. But i feel like you're putting the blame more on the nuggets more so than jeremy grant guiding and got his feelings hurt. That detroit made the first move offered him. Twenty twenty mil. Denver matched it. Grant looked around and everything that we read up until that day was that grants camp was good with denver and denver was good with grant. And may maybe the nuggets wanted to see what he was really worth. Is that a crime. You don't wanna overpay this. This organization has tim. Conway has done it. The right way for the past five six years and you're roasted them now. I'm just saying that. This isn't as much i mean. Yes the nuggets. Probably should had a backup plan but this is so difficult. I don't know how you navigate through this. Why i'm not in that position. It's also why. I hate the fact that the draft is before free agency. Grant goes away all right. We gotta get aggressive and we have money dixon. I would've gave ten million dollars. Whatever that is you just gave millsap to load up on that one player on grant you better be damn sure you're talking thirty mil then i mean if you were going to give twani and you giving him thirty. You're putting him nicoli. Yoke it's and jamal murray territory. Now boy that that offers going be laughed at more than what. Michael jordan did with with gordon hayward with the with the hornets situation and i i don't hate that move as much as everybody else does. Dick says out of offered grant the extra ten. Yeah i mean that's a lot of so are you. You're saying that listen. Players are fickle beasts right. And they're going to look at that. You think joe joker and murray who worked there are off to get to that contract that they're at they're going to look at one season and really one half season by grant where he really started to step up to. That's worth thirty million to you guys. I've just i've just tossing it around. Those are things you've got to think of Dixon says you have to overpay. Well in that case. Why didn't you overpay for drew. You shouldn't just overpaid for jrue holiday. Then give up all your draft picks in a way. We go ten minutes till top of the hour. I'm a little heated about this. Trust me to sound like a mad at you. The whole situation sucks. The whole thing is not a good deal and the nuggets walked away a little bit lesser of a team than they were on friday thursday morning at the end of the tunnel and know someone who disagree in. Pj is the future. He's got to live up to that. You're saying he's their third best player in. Pj's who want to be their third best player. It's the whole show powered by energy. We'll wrap up our number one when we come back. Don't go anywhere. You're listening to northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi you're listening to the hall's show powered by pdc energy and thirteen ten kfi. Brady will be back after the break here. Mornings with gail weekdays. Six to nine northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi hades. Dan patrick you're listening to my pal brady hall. Check out the whole show on northern colorado's football station thirteen ten k. f. gay am i am i. I don't think i'm undervaluing. Jeremy grant okay so dixon's we're trying to figure out a deal here. We're in the front office. You're you're representing jerry grant. Obviously because you want him to make thirty million dollars a year. I'm representing the nuggets. Because i'm not overpaying for a guy that average twelve points per game and it's not like he's like this is his third year. He was in his seventh year. He's he's twenty. He's gonna be twenty seven in march. I think is so listen. I love the guy. That was the plan jeremy grant loaded up mpg. Take the next step. And maybe we're a contender but you're saying okay let's go would would you have done twenty-three for millsap and let millsap walk. What i've offered twenty three million to jeremy grant when he's making twenty million for detroit. I would have personally. I would have again. The market was dictating was saying sixteen but apparently detroit with the starting center of mason. Plumlee knows what the hell they're doing so they offered him twenty. You're so now okay. So now i gotta get at least a million over that. So you're saying i'm gonna go five million dollars a year over what i thought. The market dictated for he went from nine to twenty. When i thought nine to sixteen was a big jump i would have considered it. Let me give you that. I would've considered it. I avenge text line. Three one nine nine six second hour coming up man we've been. We've been going nuggets here. But that's okay. That's all right. We've talked a lot of nuggets. We talked a lot of broncos the last couple of days what's gonna colorado state so much to get to so little time it's also powered by. Pvc energy live from the auto collision specialist studios.

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Denver Nuggets w/ Adam Mares: How Good Can MPJ Be, Grading the Nuggets Season

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Denver Nuggets w/ Adam Mares: How Good Can MPJ Be, Grading the Nuggets Season

"Are Today's guests is so important that I actually got up early at his request to have him on. Just so if I feel a little sluggish or a little punchy. We could could be either of those. I sensed just a little bit of disappointment in your in your your texting what I asked you to do to nine. Am So this is funny. That's the point of texting is did not display any. Yeah well I I totally get it. But I don't really I don't really have an excuse anymore either because I still on NBA time. That's like high naturally am but like I can't claim that like. Oh yeah you know. I was up late. Last night led to record nuts. Just like this is a yeah. I deviate from my normal schedule by like an hour. So that's saw problem. You've you've a lot more responsibilities than I do. Yeah I was GONNA say there's two types of people during this quarantine those with kids and those without so you are. You're in the without category and I am in the width category. Yeah let me tell you. I'm in a real hurry to change that a friend Ethan. Strauss like your life a meeting without kids like oh well saw that when the crisis over Well all right so this is if used your first time listening to this. Turn into a couple of these are weakest our our second. We had Anthony Slater on last week. Adam covers the nuggets for a number of different outlets of your take us through that real quick. We'll really just to you locked on nuggets. Which I ho- sue. The number. Two is a number locked which host the podcast daily podcast and then a new outlet here in Denver called. Dnb are where we cover all sports. But I obviously covered the The nuggets beat there. Yeah we were talking about this just before the show it was rotten timing but you and your partner is awesome idea basically Starting a sports bar. That is a themed. A- associate podcast studio there. People Watch live podcast recordings and you get a community together to watch a Denver sports so I mean I'm not gonNa tell people to go there right now but I was. I was really excited to check it out. you know. What did you guys open like? We ought Friday the thirteenth so the NBA ended on on the eleventh and bars. Were closed down on Sunday the following Sunday so I always say we were open for forty eight hours and actually. I haven't even visited the bar yet. I've been there before. The construction was final but they did a lot in the last two or three days. And I I have yet to see it with all of our branding and decorations and everything. Well when this is over and you want to watch them swertz and IT SAFE. Please go check that. If you're in the Denver area I I was really looking forward to is stepping are C- kept talking. It's worth checking it out. Once I was back in Denver. So what we're trying to do here is take this opportunity to check in on the season review. Talk a little bit about. What the a nuggets playoff run could look like as well but we usually. We're so focused on next season. This is us a chance to look back on. What happened this season? So let's start with this question. I don't give this nuggets team. A grade overall for their season. Today I it's so tough and I'm sure everybody that you've had on so far. Said the exact same thing so the real great is incomplete but if we were to make the I had I had slater on with the warriors. Okay he was he was the worst seasons. Yeah pretty complete. Yeah that was pretty. You're right no but I would give the nuggets like a c plus and I think was their lowest grade of the last four years. You know it's been this. They were in that rebuilding climbing phase and then last year. They sort of arrived at the doorstep of contention and then this was a year that I feel like it was a bit of a plateau but the reason I even hesitate to say that as if we would have ended the season on February fifth. I probably would've gotten an a minus or a really high grade because there were so many positive developments and if you stopped at that exact moment. It was on sort of an upswing east. They stopped at what I consider to be. Sort of the low point of the season. And so you have that lingering sort of sense about the team that I. I'm not sure if that's fair though. Another six weeks of the season the plenty of time for them to sort of go back on an upswing in in start to look promising into come together again so but there were things that happened that I think either set the team back or plateaued them or we're just frustrating that to me. See Plus seems seems pretty fair interesting. Yeah for me it really a lot of it depends on whether they're on pay per five thirty eight four fifty three and two thousand nine record forty three twenty two when the hiatus happened and for me a big part of it that controlled the narrative of throughout the season was just that. I thought they were a little bit. Lucky overall They were number one in the NBA. Four point four more wins than expected per cleaning the glass They're expected winds. Were only forty nine and I think that's something that would be looked at as a disappointment and then not all and clean the glass. That's only based on their point differential. They also to me had some a fair amount of shooting walk in terms of their defense especially early in the season when they are in the top five defensively but that still hadn't quite normalized that yet and so really if that had gotten back to where you would expect you know this is kind of forty seven forty eight win team in terms of what I think. They're true quality on the court wasn't that's a little bit of a disappointment me in particular. I would say that being number ten offense which was a disappointment me and so But on the other hand you have this team though on pace to be the second seed in the West for a while so superficially. I think they've looked a lot better than Where they've been and for me. I would probably say like a C. minus and that's because migrating by the way I see is average Asir School. I always say so I would try to normally distribute all the grades for the teams in the League and so I think relative to my expectations I thought there slightly below where I thought they would be. Well first of all the grading scales always funny to me because you could really tell if you give somebody a see people like. Oh man why they weren't very good you say. Oh no that's average so I think everybody it is important to sort of calibrate. What grades mean because C plus C minus sound harsh? But I guess we're both just on slightly other sides of the curve in terms of you know sort of in the middle but we'll see pluses that imply that there are slightly above. You know that's why that's why I bring it up as C. Plus to me is almost. It's sort of a negative grade. You know in from my perspective because You know the last couple of seasons to me have been in probably in a range. They've been climbing. There have been developed that have been very positive. And you say okay. That's the right direction. The big stuff has moved in there in the positive. I mean last year had to been. You're at least like an AA. Oh for sure especially the playoff run. They got it good draws and of course all the things that happened at the end of the year but still it was important for them to do what they did last year and I thought it was a step in the right direction but I'm going to push back on the idea that they were lucky the season in one way or at least I'm GonNa throw out the idea. I think three years in a row now that the nuggets have been called Lucky because of their factory and win losses and point differential and close games in at some point. Just think it becomes a factor of WHO this team is and maybe even a factor in just who their star player is in Yoga and Yoga's was one of the best players in the league this year and last year as well and I it's become sort of so much of a trend that I really wonder you know some of these teams in the Milwaukee's obviously those are great teams even like a Dallas with a point differential is through the roof. I just don't know anymore especially in today's NBA. The way it's played the variance with the three point shooting. I wonder if those point differentials are as indicative as maybe they used to be and also with Denver. I mean I I really. This is either three or four years in a row now where it's been the exact same trend. Oh there they they're probably four or five wins better than they should have been. I don't know and it happens over and over again I tend to question it. Yeah that's true. I mean I on the other hand you'd say with thirty teams. You would have a few teams that would sure to have that three three. You know it's The same thing about like picking stocks right the the idea that like. Yeah you know if you have all these investors. You're going to have a Warren Buffett just out of Sheer Chan here like Warren Buffett knows exactly what he's doing that that's the theory obviously but there's also this part of it then that is the you know the close games games decided by five points or Lassen every year Denver just plays an enormous amount of them and I wonder in. They have a really good record in them and I wonder if there's just something about the style of play Or the character of their their star players in the key pieces that that sort of lends itself to that style whereas maybe a Dallas. When they win they win big and that's just sort of a character trait of their style of play. So I think there's a least a little something there that Mudi's at for how Denver plays given how consistently they've been in close games over the years and they've been very good in those. Yeah give you those three point. Eight more wins than expected last year. Going back to the previous season when they lost on the final day of the regular season at the wolves in overtime to not make the plows that was zero point. Eight wins more than expected and then sixteen seventeen again all all per clean. The Glass Denver was actually well below a where they would have been expected. Negative three point. Oh that makes sense if you recall that year that year. I think you throw it because that I don't think Yokich was even starting at the start of that year. So that was that that may be a little bit noisy but Yeah certainly so. This makes the third year in a row now for them having just being better by at least a game basically And then in two cases three or more game so I don't know I just there's there's something about how they play that they're very. They're very good down the stretch. They seem to they seem to execute and they have a player that that is just. I think very reliable not not great. Not Not somebody that I think like overcomes giant deficits or this or that but just a player that if you're in it you know you're GonNa have good looks every time down the court. Yeah I mean the numbers that he's put up in the clutch this year. Were really fantastic. so your C. Plus oocyte aside from this issue My personal opinion is that it's it's probably just locked the zero point eight. I wouldn't like put a big number on there that that's probably close enough to average. I mean you're you're a median. Team is probably national at but like most teams are probably GONNA be within a couple of wins either way and then you know. I think just two years in a row. That's not enough. It were four years in a row. I might feel differently. Like people always said that the two teams that really come to mind an we're going on a tangent but you know we got time for at this point Memphis and Dallas were the teams. That really seemed like for years always over perform their point differential and for Memphis. The idea was like their defense was so good. They had Tony Allen. Who could lock down the opponent's best score for Dallas it was ha having dirk having Rick Carlisle? Interestingly Than Dallas as soon as they wanted to start taking that trend Switzer. Maybe you could say that it that it was recalling then Minnesota for years and years always like well worse than Their point differential though that was through a number of iterations of the team So I I mean I I for my personally I always remember the probably the greatest clutch team ever the seventy three win warriors and then the next year they add Kevin Durant and they won like a bunch fewer games than expected based on their point differential again. We're like blowing every close again. I WANNA point. They'll just the I think it has. It lends itself to this something stylistic because if you look back it's just the games played in the clutch and this isn't the best metric but over the last two years. Denver has been in the top three. I believe both and just in terms of games play again top four so they play a lot of these games in in in their winning their net rating in both of them as top ten. I think eight two years ago to this year. The thing about it is is I think you know Yokich and MILLSAP for all the crap. Yokich gets about being a defender. I think he's. He's good at forcing teams into you. Know maybe they're least favorable shots now. He doesn't contest those shots very well and if they do whatever but you know so. I think there's this baseline of okay in the clutch you'RE GONNA get B minus. Looks in the nuggets offense. It's not at its best as hot as a lot of the good offenses but I just think you can always get a b. Plus look so if your defense can always make things. Kinda hard and your offense can always make things kind of easy. The extremes aren't so high so you're not gonNA have a ton of blowout wins but if you're in the game in the clutch I just think you have a bit of an advantage and I guess that's to me. That's sort of the character of this team. They're they're heiser not that high but they're pretty consistent and they can get really good. Looks against almost anybody yeah? There's something to that idea to that the way they play. There's not a lot of just boring isotope. All they're doing it. There may be running closer to their normal offense in the clutch which Right there at Yokich likes to destroy it. So I'm not dismissing that out of hand at I'm I just think that overtime the we've seen you know so some teams do this for a while and you know. Two years of this magnitude is not quite enough from. Ya and the other thing you you might say. Do you know the three point shooting is that you know that that's happened two years in a row you know. Is there something systemic there? That's causing them to shoot worse from three Which I'm not sure that there is either there because I think the biggest argument that I've seen on that that I buy is well. You're forcing more off the dribble threes than you normally would and they. You know the nuggets famously. 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You know outside of like the the diehard Denver people but I think they're just there on the doorstep and when you're that kind of team you want to figure out you want more clarity about what direction you know you you you should be headed and and to me that the two players that were more important for discovering that than anybody and that was Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Jr. the first Jamal Murray. I thought he had a pretty disappointing season. And not disappointing. I think he had an identical season two previous year which is is at his age basically his age twenty two season. That's a real concern in fact if you go back if you look at his per game numbers and compared to last year all the way across the board every single metric is almost identical to the previous one and then statistically think also if you look at just what did he look like on the court where it was their growth in certain areas. And I I just don't know that there was to me. He's the exact same player he was last year. He's only slightly better than he was two seasons ago and it makes you think well maybe this is more or less type of player. He is so out for him. That was a bit concerning especially given that the nuggets are committed to him on a Max contract the both the bright spot and sort of one of the reasons this is. They got mark down so low. I think Michael Puerto Juniors and incredible talent. I came into the season with a very open mind on him and I think for me. I'm already convinced that he has superstar potential. Not just star potential. This'll be an interesting discussion. I can't wait but he just didn't get a lot of minutes in the minutes that he got were incredibly inconsistent so to me. That was a real that I'd your mind again. I personally don't think so. You know it's funny because he didn't play really until January the end of December that he started to get in the rotation and only because there were so many injuries. The nuggets went through a spell and basically at the end of the calendar year. Start of the New Year where they were down three starters. It was just Wilburton. Yokich left and Michael Porter was forced basically to play and the nuggets. I think over a sixteen game stretch went twelve and no eleven and five Something like that with Michael Porter. Basically being the third wheels Yokich Barton and Michael Porter carrying the team and it was. He was phenomenal. I think he's a very low. Iq As to be expected of a player that misses much time as he has really has a lot to learn in the game but just his natural ability was just so high that in my mind. You live with those mistakes even if it costs you something. That's your cost you. Three or four wins the tradeoff off there was just so incredibly high At his best he was the best player on the court. Multiple Times this season even when he was playing alongside Yokich and Murray so we can talk a little bit more. About where what we see of Puerto Rico becoming but I think my guests would be at your on the team more than me would be that. Be that inexperience. Almost is the reason why his his minutes or needed to be held on. They have this deep team. They gotta keep everyone happy. He's a rookie number. One but number two. I'm sure Mike loads eight. We got a cure all these bad habits that he has a Bentley shot selection or distribution. Or whatever you WANNA look at as in terms of his inexperience especially on a good team like this. That the only way you're gonNA teach them because you know he's a little bit of a reputation for kind of being a hard head in that regard and and you know that's what people sat in the draft process is that it was all about him and you think that he's certainly has been humbled somewhat being on this team and then With the injury not playing so I would imagine that if you ask them about it they this is. This is actually the best for his development. Not like giving him minutes that we don't necessarily think he's entitled to. I think that is almost certainly one of the main factors in the coaching staff. And why he was was kept out so much as sort of A. You only get one opportunity to sort of once you start giving a player a lot of minutes. It's harder to take them back than it is to just kind of slowly make them earn them in and Malone. That was the line all year. Was you know making him earn? Everybody had to earn their spot in the few times and I think he was referencing. Players like Nerkin Moody. Two of the failure. Sort of the the Malone Conley era saying the Times that were those guys were just handed. The Keys Moody Started Game. One of his career. It didn't go. Well all the players that had to start behind Gary Harris mammary Nikolay Yokich all those guys developed and and it worked out really well so I think he wanted to take that approach and then the other side you referenced. You know the biggest disappointment for Michael Porter. I tried to go into this year with a completely blank slate. Of course we had talked about him. I knew the reputation both good and bad and all these things but I wanted to just completely go in with a blank slate and you know. I was worried about the shot selection. I thought it was fine. The biggest disappointment to me was. He sat on the bench all year last year but apparently did not really learn the playbook or the defensive schemes and in terminology and everything else and to me. That was the other half of it. Part of it was trying to bring him along slowly and let him learn the right way but the second part was I think. Every the coaching staff was very disappointed that he was basically starting from scratch and even halfway through the season he was still screwing up plays that they were calling for him. There is a certain amount of play would have four him like. Hey it's an ice. Oh play and he'd be in the wrong spot. And then you could just see malone call a fury timeout. So those are the things that I think really just got under malone skin and really lead to him not playing a lot. Yeah so but but you're you're of the opinion that he's still should have played more just to kind of get an idea. What the he only played six hundred seventy minutes In all it's funny because I think this is more of a philosophical question about process versus talent. And we're that balances and for me. I look at him and I say in my mind. This guy is an incredibly efficient high volume score. That's that's just who he is that's his. That's his talent super athletic. Great rebounder had this incredible size and length. And I I look at him and I go. He walks in. He falls into fifteen points when he plays twenty minutes per game he just accidentally gets fifteen points and he has all of this upside and I think look. There's some players they're not that good. That process is more important but for him. I A player like him in my mind. You need him to Pan out if you think that if the Denver Nuggets are ever going to really grow into anything and you just have to me. The the leash has to just be a lot longer. Yeah that makes some sense. I think there's probably also a component of it to that They need to figure out what they have in. Jeremy Grant I mean he's you agree with me as best positions power forward right. Oh for sure. Yeah and so you know they got Paul. Millsap is still one of the best on-off differential players in the NBA. Missed bunch of time with the that knee injury and it seems like they wanted just to hold him down twenty five minutes a game now just for his own present health but then they traded a first round pick for Jeremy Grant As well You mentioned puertas great potential. What do you see him becoming if he were to evolve into the star that many believed that he can be. What is that player? Look like so. I'm really obviously high on Yokich. Everybody knows I'm lower. I think on most of the other nuggets players a MPG. The other the other guy that I look at and I I'm really really high on him. So my answers will be pretty out of the box and wide ranging. I think he has a potential to be twenty five to thirty points per game score a fantastic three point shooter. I think he'll always have a little bit of gunner in him but he's less so than I thought that was a much bigger concern just based on his reputation than what I saw this year. That could change. I think he was trying really hard not to just take a shot. Every time he touched the ball so it worked out but maybe as time goes on that he cares less about that but he just phenomenal score offensive rebounding super athletic. His footwork is pretty robust. You know he has a couple of moves but it. It's one of those things where I just look at them and I go he can. He's so effective. Even against good defenders. I mean there were games where he got it. Going we're opponents would put their best perimeter defender on him and he would still you know still get by them or shoot over them so I think he's a guy that's going to be just one of those unguardable scoring unguardable scores especially when he has it going. The name that comes to mind for me is a more athletic. Rashard Lewis if in the best outcome for him. You know maybe not amazing putting the ball on the floor but still a strong right hand driver more popper on the rim than Lewis but Lewis played a lot of that ice. Oh game when he was in Seattle that he is more of a stretch For Not Amazing Defender in Orlando days. But he had Dwight Howard behind him so that wasn't as much of a problem And then Carmelo is the other one that I'm not saying that he is going to be this and in fact. I have severe reservations about it but I think those are the two that kind of come to mind but your hope would be that he could be a little bit. Better defensively than those guys. I don't like him that much moving laterally. But he's flash some RIM protection skills But again the he doesn't seem that predisposed toward defending That's another reason. You mentioned the playbook. I think that's the deal. Getting through a screen your. I don't think he can really defend the three that well and you know does he have the toughtested. Play the four. That's that's a question. Then you know the fit next to yokich defensively. Yokich millsap have been so good because millsaps one of the best defenders at his position. I don't know if porter is ever going to get to be that type of a level has the mentality to think he has. Some tools are so yeah I mean I. I think that's what it is. I don't think is passing is ever going to be like a massive asset. But you've got that ability that sweet jump shot to take triple and just rise up over anybody and you wonder about as well whether a more three point happy overall offensive approach could really boost efficiency. Oh no doubt about that. Yeah MPG though. Because he shot forty two percent from three and as you mentioned hid the numbers are going to be tough. Just because the total volume isn't there but But I buy it. I mean I've watched the guy shoot in practice. I've watched him shoot in scrimmages and everything else I mean. That's one piece of his game that I just think would always be there. He's a fantastic three point shooter and he's really six ten. Maybe even a little bit taller than that with a height. He jumps high on shot. He releases high. He's going to be a guy that can always get that shot off against almost any defender and then the thing that was a pleasant surprise and why I think he can be an efficient score. You know the offensive rebound put backs this year and just the second chance points. But he's also a great cutter. Yokich actually called him the best cutter on the team. And of course a Yokich offense. Yokich is such a good. Pass passer to cutters but in particular too tall cutters Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler. The there was a big part of the offense back in two thousand seventeen and a half step on the defender. Yokich would throw that sort of fade route outside hand and you didn't have to have a lot of space. You just had to have just enough for that to get through. And He's already developed that with Michael Porter whereas if you have a six seven guy guarding him you're giving up three inches of space. Plus a little athleticism so half step. That's a a a nice little fade pass rate at the Rim and he finishes it so A much better than than I was expecting. Yeah and I. You mentioned the offense guy. I didn't have it in my head that it was this high at nine percent often rebounding pretty good now. One thing that I think is a concern is only fifteen percent Now you might say hey you know Kevin Durant has talked about this that you have you throw it to me in a nice. Oh and you let me go to work I can. I've got all these tricks that I can use to get to the foul line. And he's not the way that he's scoring his still playing a fair amount off of others. You know you're not necessarily going to draw that many fouls so it'll be interesting to see whether whether we can boost that up now or not. So yeah I think Obviously there are concerns about his health. The back is knees That's not a didn't have the greatest medical reports coming out there. Some concerns about his his his athleticism. I thought wasn't still quite where it was before the injuries but it definitely was continuing to get better throughout the season. It really peaked in January when he played a lot of minutes. Because I I'm with you. He was missing. He wasn't getting above the rim on put bags or different things in December but by January. And he's playing a lot of minutes. Has athleticism really popped but also to your point about injuries? You would expect a guy who missed two years. It is going up this level to be shy. He kinda throws himself into traffic in a way. That yeah constantly scares me well. It's good good that he's hasn't been is his desire has been quelled by those and I know he he was like you know very excited to get back out there obviously another quick break here and we'll we'll continue our our meander through in just second. You all know that I have long said helixsleep is the best mattress that I've ever experienced. I have to travel a lot for work. I stay in some pretty decent hotels in times and it's just not as good as helixsleep. The reason is 'cause helixsleep is made for me. I I found them back in two thousand fifteen. My wife and I tried a one-size-fits-all Mattress Company. And we had to return it. It did not work developed. Some back pain so she was like. Hey why don't we try this one and make sense right? It's actually made for us and shoes right. 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You came from us so are you. Do you feel like Oh. He should just be straight up untouchable. Obviously every team says that about. They're they're good young players. But it is that you're feeling or would you? Would you be willing to move him for? Not necessarily this specific player but a player along the lines of like a true holiday sorta player. I wouldn't for a drew holiday but it's not. It's one of those things where I don't know that that's like bad value. It's just that drew holiday. Make the Denver Nuggets a contender. I mean are the nuggets. Going toe to toe with the Lakers and bucks if they have drew holiday in his place to me I just don't think so so so I would not but it's not to say that he's I don't think. Michael Porter is untouchable because of that. Injury risk That it's just so high that maybe you do take a player that that is less of a risk but But to me there's not probably not going to be a match for what he what. His upside is versus. What his market value is. Yeah Yeah I mean you know the the package that makes a lot of sense for a lot of people is Gary Harris for the salary matching and porter for his some kind of an established star of the kind of seems to be the thought I think take it through a little bit more of my questions here. Biggest things that the Denver Nuggets learned about themselves this year. That we haven't hit on already man this one. This one's really tough. I think again the thing that defines the season was it being so incomplete so I feel like if there was one thing I would say about this this year's that I don't feel like we learned enough about the nuggets. And that's the harsh truth of it for me. I've been lower Andrea Murray than most people especially here locally and the fact that he just sort of flat line the way that he did and the fact that the nuggets were just as good without. They missed him for a whole three weeks or something like that four weeks and didn't skip a beat. In fact they played some of their best basketball to me. That's really concerning. I wouldn't say we know Jamal. Murray is not going to be a star caliber player. Or you know. We don't know he's never going to grow into that Max but for me I mean I would. I would feel pretty comfortable betting against that and I would have bet against it going into the season but I. I feel even more sort of strongly about that. Having seen three quarters of a season now with him yeah and you know I mean I was higher on Murray than anyone who when he was drafted. I mean he's still looks like a great pick at number seven. Yeah but and I think I hired him Than a lot of people a lot of the way I was like. No this guy is going to be really good. Just watch like when he wasn't playing early on in his career and then I was like what they gave him a no brainer. I'm like a July first light. That's the That's it it's funny. How often the cycle will happen where it guys will get drafted. I'm really high on them. And then public opinion will catch up to me and then do this freight train going right. Pass where I am. I like the guy but like a little bit and I thought you know. They're really like to narrative that you could have about Marie right one. Is Hayes only twenty two? Hey got a little bit more efficient. This year is finishing was a lot better even though he's been more efficient even though is three point shooting a as been worse. Yeah this year. And maybe that's an outlier that it's gone down from thirty seven to thirty four percent and also you know this isn't like that wide open of an offense. He's playing with the traditional power forward. Most of the time so as Dr Game isn't that good you know he doesn't get that much of a chance to do pick and roll and you know you could still get a lot better. That's one school of thought. The other one is while he just because he's the only guy in the perimeter who's able to do much a lot of the time with this team he gets all these shots he gets all this exposure. And you just be a guy on some other team if you weren't playing with Yoga. Yeah I'm probably somewhere in between those two because I do think he's a really good player. Just when you can guy in the contract when you hand Guy Amac's and especially when you're in a market like Denver. That's probably not going to get one. Your top two or three players via Free Agency. That means you've got to be certain of the guys that you choose to build around and you kind of lock yourself into Marine Yokich and I just like I said I'm betting against the other thing is three years in a row now where he's taking five and a half three point attempts per game. There's no reason in my opinion. There's no reason for that. Other than he he really struggles to get his shot off. Yes sort of like being that. It should be more. It should be a lot more in my should be at least seven eight nine. Forgive you look at a lot of the elite point guards of his mall. Damian Lillard You know those he they get their shots. They get point shots up. He seems to really struggle with that and he seems really really comfortable coming off of the high pick and roll stepping right into the free throw line or a slightly outside the free throw line and pulling up and to me. It's now that you're in three years of this. It's more of a habit at this point then. Just like oh. He'll grow into it How much of that do you think is coaching philosophy man? That's a great great question. I I really can't I don't know that it's Malone saying oh I don't want three pointers or anything like that but you do wonder if if it should be emphasized within more. It's something you look at him and you say okay. If we're ever going to be great we need you taking seven or eight three pointers a game or more and we need you shooting thirty seven percent on those. You need to be a threat to draw that defense out. Because when Yokich is rolling downhill towards the basket in the pick and roll he receives the pocket. Pass on the pill. I mean that's the best one of the best offenses in all all event the NBA. Yokich going four on threes is just a guaranteed open shot and it just doesn't happen as much teams will sag off of Murray knowing. He's not gonNA take the three. Yes Sir I mean why. I loved him so much. Shot Forty percent on threes at Kentucky. Us coming off of screens. I was like man this guy. You know it beats shoots the ball like this in the pros on this type of item. You know he could be not steph curry but like a steph curry light. And we'd just hasn't gone in as much for him and he hasn't had the volume as you said and you look at him like on his hot streaks of which when I say a hot streak I mean he'll have ten fifteen game runs where he that's what he looks. This the attempts go up to six or seven and he's shooting forty percent on those and you just think like wow okay. There's something there but it's all the word on him. Last year was inconsistency and I think it's the exact same word again this year if you look at his three-point percentage by month we're talking at least seven game samples and most of these are ten nine ten games Over the month. He's all over the board from well above forty two below thirty and it's just it's just so hot and cold with him all right. This is A. It'll be a good one then especially since you said everything so incomplete. What are the biggest questions about this team? That are still unanswered. I mean I guess the both in the short term and perhaps in the lunchroom where we touched on a lot and I don't want to be. Repetitive I touch on these but Murray can he be the second option and Michael Porter? Can you handle regular minutes? Because as much as I'm sold on his talent that the health stuff just he can't. He played thirty minutes per game for. I don't know more than ten games in a row. That's that's a really huge question. I think what Paul Millsap is going forward is a real interesting question. I think we'll talk about him and some of the sections later on but he's been a huge part of Denver success over the last three years and he's really starting to show. I think some some signs of of just his age. And so maybe he's not you know a core piece of this team going forward and then three point shooting. I mean Gary Harris in particular but Do they have enough three point shooters or to your point. Is there something about their style or coaching or something? That is making it so that all of their three point shooters are just shooting worse than what they actually are. Gary Harris. This season was really bad as three point shooter in and again. I don't know if that's because he's just not a good three point shooter if something has happened that that's making them more predictable weather shots come from. Yeah that's a big on. What would your advice to them? Be about how to handle the power forward position the rest of the season and then next year just to recap quickly. Millsaps will be a free agent. Jeremy Grant can opt out of about ten million dollars for next year. And then you've got porter going into his third season and you can throw in Plumlee as well who kinda falls into that. Where if they didn't resign him perhaps they would play grant at center. They did that. Someone When plumlee was injured with that ankle the the Yokich plumlee pairing has been really good even this season. It didn't get a ton of minutes but it was really good again this year. They just destroy teams on the offensive glass probably not a viable playoff thing but But it works but the reason I brought that up when Paul millsap arrived three years ago it took a while for him and Yokich to SORTA JAIL. There was some uncomfortableness there. The even had to have a sit down where MILLSAP said. Hey this is your team is joining it. Whatever but there was. You know you have to kind of learn how to play with you. Because he's different when Paul when Mason plumlee arrived and was playing power forward alongside Yokich. Same thing they were terrible the next year after they'd gotten some reps they were really good and then they've they've only grown from there. I think Jeremy Grant the same thing sort of happened. This year there was a point around December where I thought man. I'm so surprised at how poorly the Jeremy Grant experiment has gone. I thought he was going to be great. And he just hasn't been alongside yoked but over the last three months of the season or so two and a half months he really started to figure it out and him and Yokich started to figure each other out and I think now I'm out of spot where I okay. That's probably the power forward of the future at least for the next season or two and I think it's a really healthy one. He's a great three point shooter. At least he has been for the last couple seasons. He's very willing to stay in his lane and kind of be the role player. That they need is a great on ball defender. I don't think he's a very good help defender. I'd say he's not bad. He's just not like Paul. Millsap is as a backside defender but he solid so I think he's a good fit. The only thing he doesn't do well is he? Doesn't rebound very well but I think the nuggets can make for that other areas. Yeah and yoke is is a great rebounder. They've they've always in there They've always been a good rebounding to you. Not as worried about that so then going into next year I mean the spend thirty seconds on this here what? How many minutes per game would you give to millsap grant and porter as a default going into the playoffs to meet porter to me would play as the starting small forward? So I guess he wouldn't be in the power forward conversations that you're bringing will enough demand you're talking about this season. Okay Yeah Okay Gotcha got then. Yeah you probably would end up playing in a playoff series. I think millsap probably a steal your guy to play you know twenty eight minutes or so again. Maybe thirty minutes and then the rest of the minutes. Go to Jeremy Grant you maybe get a little bit of situational small ball. But that's you know if you go small you're probably playing Michael Porter at that spot and I just don't know that Michael Malone would trust him to do that unless you've got enough reps going into the playoffs that would really be a high risk high reward situation that probably the risk is higher than the reward at this stage but So yeah I would probably play MILLSAP. The more minutes this season and grant slightly behind him But both guys are really impactful in a little slightly different ways. Yeah my guest in the playoffs. That porter would have a Lotta Games where he played five minutes. In the first half and zero minutes of the second-half five might even be generous. I mean Malone I mean and especially in a playoff series if he's out there for three minutes in this messing up than that that's it yeah or I mean actually I I could also see it as they get behind in the series. They're struggling to score and he's just like right fucking we're GONNA put Puerto out there and see if he can shoot us back into it. I could definitely see that happening. I could see a word to those. Yeah no damn the torpedoes offensively and okay and then what would you do in the long term than with that front court with those three free agents and Puerto going forward? What does it look like? I think Jeremy Grant is your guy. That's by far the highest priority for that power for its by just talking about this summer millsap to me actually becomes a little bit expendable and and I love MILLSAP. I think he has more left to offer but I think he's more in an egg. Andre Iguodala role probably fifty five games per year sixty games and then in the playoffs. You hope you can get you know maybe twenty five minutes per game out of him in a series that really matters but you're probably not getting more than ten real playoff games out of him and he just becomes more of a situational player very good but he. He'll miss a lot of time. A lot of his minutes will be low. So your your reciting grants plumlee has gone trough uner- and I I actually think you would choose between plumlee and and millsaps and it would you would rather have millsaps but the money would be the point the sticking point on it. Yeah that'd be interesting to see Hard to imagine he would have many offers above the mid level exception elsewhere At Age thirty five and just a reminder about the nuggets finances. They've got about thirty million or so below the luxury tax to re-sign millsap grants and plumlee and do anything else that they wanted to summer. So that's how they would have to be distributed okay. We're running short on time. We've made it a good Thirty percent through the outline ahead so these will be quick this way. These words might be quick. Yeah I will I will see you up. I will just do like thirty seconds to these question. What is this team's biggest issues going into the playoffs? What's going to keep the coaching staff up at night? Three point shooting in perimeter defense Especially length on the perimeter. So the three point shooting. We've talked about just very inconsistent. I'd say below average and then the perimeter Defense Tori Craig Gary Harris really shutdown can shut down players like Donovan Mitchell and even Russell Westbrook. They've had success. But when you get bigger guys. Paul George Qui- Leonard Lebron James Even James Harden. They're just way too small for those types of guys and those guys have Kinda had their way with Denver so Perimeter defense would in three point. Shooting would be the two things. What is this team's biggest long-term neat this? You'll be interested with this one. I think it's leadership and this is another development of the season. I had George Karl on the DNB. Our Nuggets podcast a couple of weeks ago. And he really sold me on the idea of Chris. Paul As like a piece that Denver Needs Yokich first. Greatest he is. I'm not sure he's ever going to be a great leader. I think he gets a bad rap about some of his work ethic stuff and he's very motivated. He's a hard worker You know he has certain leadership by his his first month and a half of the season didn't do him any. Yeah well of course of course but you know there. Are there parts of him that I think you know You know he's the best player and this this and that but I don't think he's ever going to be the leader. I just don't think he has that those traits in them and I don't think joe-marie does either and I certainly don't think Michael Porter does or will at least for for several years if ever and so that's a real void. It's a weird thing but it's a real void I think they need some toughness. They need a tough minded and tough leader. That is good enough to take on that responsibility. You can't be the ninth guy you know. It can't be a jared Dudley or something like that that comes in they need. They need a top three player. That can also be the leader of the team. The biggest positive surprise to you. This season about the nuggets. Paul MILLSAP JIMMY. Grants three point shooting. Both guys shot the ball really well and for millsap if we talked about what does the future of his career look like well if he shoots forty four percent from the three point line he probably has four more years in him. Because there's a stretch for Yeah probably not that good. Even though he shot at volume this year five threes a game forty four percent if he can just be a thirty eight percent or above three point shooter. He probably has a role in this league for several more years. Biggest disappointment to you this season. So it'd be a tossup between Gary Harris just general Gary Harrison's good defensively but offensively he'd just I I'm I can't tell if I if I was just wrong about Gary Harris because for two years two thousand sixteen seventeen. He was incredible. Great three point shooter Big Moments. You can put the ball on the floor and the last two years it's like I. He just looks like a completely different player so hit him. And then Malone's approach to impeach which we've discussed How the Hell's Gary Harris only shoot forty percent two points? And he can't i. There's a couple of things here is he's had injuries so he really had was injury plagued last year this year. Dropped a bunch of weight. 'cause you know the coaching staff training Steph. Everybody said well. Maybe it's because you play so big so big and you attack this or that and he dropped weight doesn't really get to the rim anymore. Shot a lot of floaters doesn't really get to the rim. And he's just not elevating remember. He was like a sort of a highlight finisher. Two years ago both with dunks and also just was sort of these acrobatic finishes and he just never even in position to do that anymore. Do you feel better or worse about this team's long-term future now than you did before the season I'd say a little bit worse Maybe maybe the same but in a different way. I think looking at this team you thought. Okay it's Murray and Yokich. And then a really deep cast of young talent where well you know once you're in a Gomez Melik Beasley are gone jeered. Vanderbilt has gone so they're not really that young anymore. Not like the at least not like they were But Michael Porter to me again. The upside for him is even better than what I thought. Murray's upside was an is so I'm lower on Murray. They've depleted a lot of their their arsenal of assets But they do have this player and Michael Porter. That seems very very promising so I would say either the same or slightly less optimistic. I normally would ask the team. Bp In this case that's so obvious that it's Yokich who would you rank second on the nuggets in their MVP balloting? Well if it's just this year it's probably Jamal and that's tough one tie. It could have been. We'll Barton for large stretches of of the season but I think he's still have to give it to to Jamal. Murray when he his best is still the second best on the team. Yeah you might have to. I might even say we'll I mean he shot it much better this year. I was really worried because he missed all last year. That was supposed to be the goodyear on that contract and he thought but yet like his defense is really important. He flashed some playmaking He would probably I mean certainly the advanced statistics would say that it was it was will Barton Half but It might be will Martin to be honest. Yeah Also played more minutes than Marie. But by a little bit Rotation player who struggled the most compared to expectation that? It's definitely Gary Harris. I actually predicted. He would be the second best player on the team from or at least be in the conversation for second best player on the team. This year I thought two seasons ago was an anomaly and he would bounce back and be on that trajectory. He was on for a couple of years but that was not the case. I mean he just he really struggled give. The teams young players agreed for their development. This year we'll say twenty twenty four and under so Mary I would. I would give a C. MINUS. You know he was We talked about him. He's disappointing. Monday Morris I would give a monty had a really tough playoffs last year. And you didn't know how he would bounce back from that but I think monty is just a fantastic backup point guard. The only problem with Manteo his size I mean he's just an undersized guy really really not necessarily heighten length but just as wait. He's a small framed guy but he was really solid this year and whenever he was on the court which I think was not enough. That's part of the story. Line here is last year. I think he played twenty four twenty five minutes per game this year quite a bit less But when he when he did play especially the towards the back half of the season The I just felt like the nuggets offense was always going a lot better Michael Porter. It's so hard by. I'd say be plus the talent to me is again saying that so much hard Heavier than everything else. But he really in. My opinion was advertised in terms of just raw ability. And then the rest of the players. I guess are off the roster now so the really surprisingly not that many young players on the nuggets anymore. Yeah I guess so. It's it's I mean Yokich. This is aged four season. But he's kind of fully. We talked about him on that. I know we're laid on time here. But I do want to mention one thing about malinche Beasley because he was a player that to me really showed the the imprint that Mike Malone on this team because I think Beasley for all the faults that he has was a fantastic score. A terrific. Three point shooter. Great Athlete Not a great defender and I think with Malone those things are so important and maybe rightfully so But to me he was a player that on many teams would have a much bigger role. And just be a guy that you live with some of the negatives I think Malone was less willing to live with with those types of negatives and I fear part of my you know the way I view Michael Porter is my fear is I value the things Michael Porter and I'm GonNa leak. Beasley are so great at a lot more than a Michael Malone does yeah and Beasley at a disappointing year too. He gave a especially early on. He gave Malone excuses to not planet and other guy meant was. Is these guards that forty two percent from three? I mean that's and that's that's one of the things we see some that you just like. Maybe these guys shouldn't be taken but his buddy do pointers as they are. If you're he shooting forty two percent on what's supposed to be a good offense from to you probably need to be taken less twos. Yeah at that point or or different. Twos right and Beasley. I'm sure he was trying to approve. Turned down that three year. Thirty million dollars definitely essentially offer. Looks like that's GonNa work out for him being an in Minnesota up. Who Do you expect to still be a key player on this team? Two years two seasons for another started the twenty one twenty two season after that big summer. Twenty twenty one. Who are going to be the nuggets mainstays at that point so I think Yokich is a lock. He might be the only lock to be honest with you but I think he's a lock and then when you look at probables Michael Porter Jeremy Grant and Jamal. Marie I think our all our all probables in that order probably MPG. We talked about. I think for one. He's harder to trade anyway so they're not eager to try to trade him. Jeremy Grant I think is finding fit alongside Yokich in the front court and is important in grant. I think checks a lot of those boxes. He'll be around and then Murray I. I just have this weird feeling that Murray might not be part of Denver's long-term plans I don't there's nothing. This isn't me saying a lot. I hear by the scenes and this is my way of saying this is just my own personal gut feeling about it that. I don't know that he's part of the long term outlook for this team. It's interesting so you're really. Uc Porter as more of a three. I do yeah. I think he's look he's going to be too slow to be the three and he's GonNa be way too weak to be a four but I think he I think has most natural. Spa will be a three. Yeah the reason the reason that I would seriously consider trading him well. Number one is the health At number two is I really struggled. See how you're going to defend with him in Yokich As it together in the Front Court You mentioned the issues that he has the three and he does the physical skills maybe he could get coached up to be stopper at the three. But that seems unlikely to me that at the four you know those those guys together he just has to get so much better and maybe I wouldn't trade him now but I might consider it a at some point if you start to realize. Hey it's not gonna work with porter and Yokich together So it's it seems that his value porter might be at its highest now. Because there's just there's just seems like he does have that talent but there are a lot of pathways where things could go wrong and download out of art. Yeah for sure. I don't think they are going to trade him because part of this is like Whoa. Yeah few blossom somewhere else. You're gonNA look like an idiot right like but I think that's the risk of holding onto me be higher than the risk of moving him to me because he just had his value to me is more likely than not to decline in terms of trade value Obviously is going to get better on the court but And then you throw in the fit with Yokich as well. I mean that's the other part of it whereas I think you know porter on a team like Orlando or something where he can just go to town treats offense for you and they have like so these other defenders with them He. I think he would feel a lot better on a team like that. I actually love his fit next to Yokich especially offensively. I think offensively. I think it's almost in a perfect sort of fit with them but then defensively we can have a little fun here this is. We don't have to be Super Analytical but let me just kind of throw this this out. I've always thought that the final form of this nuggets team around Yokich is just going to be an enormous amount of length and shooting around Yokich. And Look your defense individually might not make sense but if you can put a lot of length out there you know maybe you can make up for it and I look at okay. We'll Barton. He's pretty low especially for a two. He's playing a three but he's really a two. He's long for a to Michael Porter really long for a three. You've got Jeremy Grant who's really long even for a four and then you have boll who look probably nothing and this is why I say we can just have a little bit of fun with this but you're talking about another guy that's just so long and and can shoot and is this really weird and unique talent that I wonder if that's sort of what Denver looks like two or three years from now where it's Yokich and just a ton of length and none of them can be great defensively but that much linked collectively can really clog things and and make up for it. It'd be a good candidate to maybe play more so with with with quarter and a lot like a quick like twenty second update on where he is right now he played. I think about seven or eight games in the G. League This year and that was it. I think there was some concern about building up his body I think they. I think there were some things that showed up. That said okay. Well we got rather than plan a lot of minutes. We just need to make sure that he's not an injury. Risks that way. This summer can really start his process. So that's where he's at. I do know and look. They said this about every team says this about the players. Nobody's allowed to see but I've only heard positive things about the skill set and nothing else. Just the skill set that they really really believe in his shot in his upside as a as a talent are in he absolutely can shoot the ball like one hundred percent. That guy has a really nice shot at a low release and all that but like when he's open I trust into make open shots and I'm not sure where the rest of it comes in but Yeah I mean I. I like the idea of him to be that. There's a great job. I am by them getting him and then also to have him on a two way two year to A. Yeah so they get the lowest risk of high-value prospects. You can get the thing about. It's not just his shot. It's also as touch him and Yokich the same thing where they can. Just throw little left. Handed jump hooks or throw the awkward angles and always goes in. It's really it's really weird to watch bowling bowls touch on just weird. Looking shots are lasting. We'll get you out of here. Can Be one word to describe this team season. Me and I can't use incomplete. Yeah well you know what's funny is. I'm trying to find like a synonym for incomplete. Because it like it just in limbo you know. The defining characteristic of the season for me was that Denver needed to answer some things that they didn't so now. I feel like you know we. We know this from watching the League for years and years that windows and I'm not even talking title winds just growth windows close sometimes without any warning and I don't think Denver's there by any means but not getting the data points it we'll see if they get a playoffs but even if they do who knows how meaningful those data points will be not knowing the joe-marie step up and go toe to toe with Russell Westbrook in a playoff like okay. Maybe he's more. They're not having that just really kills. Denver and they're going to an in a lot of ways. I just feel like they're going to have to guess this summer. Every team will but for Denver in particular. They're gonNA have to guess this summer about what they have in a way that I feel even like I don't know are you about two hundred and forty-nine words over the prompt there but that's okay that's all right. We're we're we're really glad to have you on adamant we appreciate it and when things get back are looking forward to having a beverage or two with you at the bar and atom obviously the best Nuggets podcasting out there as well so thanks. We always appreciate thank you so much.

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Jokic, Trae & Other MVP Frontrunners

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Jokic, Trae & Other MVP Frontrunners

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The nets in overtime won sixteen eleven their first victory of the season. So that's good. But i'll go first here We're starting with the depressing news. John moran is the big takeaway from this one because he left the game in a wheelchair after spraining his left ankle in the second quarter now x rays on his ankle revealed fracture. Hey thumbs up. That's good. He is expected to undergo an mri. Think as soon as today. So we'll know if it is that bad and he's going to be out for a significant amount of time but it was a ugly one Lately he landed awkwardly on tlc foot while attempting to block his shot and then just straight hopped off the floor like hopscotch and then was like on the ground and they did bring the wheelchair but he did return in the fourth year. The boot on the protective boot on his left leg. So i guess that is a good thing trying to cheer on his team and it ended up working. He gave him a little. You know moral support their and they pulled it out in overtime. But this sucks if there's no jamaran for the next couple of weeks or whatever. They already missing jackson junior. They're in a lot of trouble if he's out for significant time here. Yeah he is certainly usually go. I rolls his ankle though he crumbles in a heap on the ground instead. John moran went like he was in an olympic long. Jump event there the. What's it called that hops. Cripple triple jab. that's what i'm thinking of. Yeah like he bounced off the court there but the good news is yeah he he did seem to return and i think he's having an mri. I think this morning to Sort of see. But i guess he probably misses at least a game or two here but hopefully not too much longer. I think if it was a super series injury they probably would have Maybe said something last night or we wouldn't have seen him. So that's what i'm hoping for anyway the way the job moran plays you know sort of mentioned this before. It's not usually the defensive. You're on the offense indies. He throws his body into everything. And that's what he was doing last night and landing on someone else's foot that happens regularly in the nba and unfortunately he did take a A nasty four there but yeah this game as well. I mean obviously job mirant going out was bad but the nba has a real issue here because going into this game. Durant and kyrie irving said no thanks When applying tonight and that really sucks because the seasons shorten and if we have four games into the season two stars just like not. I fancy tonight. The nba is trying to prevent this from happening. but teams have just basically saying we don't really care i'm gonna find not gonna deterrence now. I understand load management. They playing back to back situation. I understand why they do it but the nba. Right now. i mean with they need as many is on the. Tv's as possible because there's no fans in attendance. If two of the biggest stars of the game. I just not even going to show up to play. That's going to hurt the tv product even more so even as good as jamaran is captivating his is he's to watch Because i remember last night. And i looked at the schedule okay. Great mirant versus durant and kyrie irving and then. It's just like we're not playing. That's a that's a real problem. That is a real problem with the nba. And and i'm not sure exactly how they deal with it but because we know teams are going to manage this stars that is going to happen but four games into the season. I think it's a very very bad. Look for the league. And they and they need to figure out a way to get on top of this. Because as i say there's no fans in attendance. Everyone's the only way we can watch it on tv and if two stars. I think a lot of people that just like well. I'm not watching. I'm not tuning in for that. Yeah i mean do they not consider mba tv wanted the national networks either. Which is the part here because they came out. Prior to this season sake is like like you're saying you know this is unprecedented time. We need the stars to play so if you're on. Abc on espn. You're on tnt. These guys should be playing You know by unless they're actually injured. These guys were resting no doubt and they certainly are ever supposed to start the other thing So yeah it's it's a bad look and it's a big problem for the league. I think what do you think. I don't know i think that the key would maybe be staggering. The rest for these two kevin durant maybe rest. Yes or two nights ago and kyrie irving rest last night because that's have played four times in the first week of the season. This was their third game in four nights in the season that we're going to be playing seventy two games in a little bit of a condensed schedule. There's gonna be times where people are going to rest. It's a little apprising. No doubt to see it the first week of the season but the nets have been busy busier than most teams. You know there are four games into their season already. So i'm not surprised in a season that picked up right. Where right where it left off. You know we only had seventy one days. In between obviously kevin durant was out for eighteen months. They're going to be very careful with him. Kyrie irving only played twenty games last season. They're going to be very careful with him. We're gonna see a lotta this thing and if it's in a scenario where you're playing three games in four nights and he played four in a week. I kind of think it's the right move especially two guys coming off. Injuries maybe stagger. Maybe that's something steve. Nash talks to with management and with the front office. Eventually but guys are going to be getting restless season. I don't think that's gonna be changing and it definitely does show you where mba falls in the. Yeah or arche of national tv right now that that's what that's what's confusing to me. It's their own network and they're like you know it's a specialty national channel. And they're like okay. I guess we're not going to penalize them for arresting these guys but nice resiliency by the grizzlies to pick up the win. I don't want gloss over that because the drama rant and these guys wrestling news kyle anderson slow tasks huge career high. I had to do Sort of a double take on that one. I was career high twenty eight points. I mean that is a lot but thought he had hit thirty for whatever reason once in his career is in ram for a little bit. But dillon brooks adding twenty four. He was great in the regulation. Not so hot in overtime. Thought dillon brooks clarke had a big go ahead basket late. Valentinus was doing his things his big body around fourteen and fourteen and a nice win especially considering the injury could have been pretty deflate. Gate deflate deflating. But they got it done. What did you think of this one. Or alrighty thing we're talking about around this game well it's it is a great win for the grizzlies to pick up their their first victory of the season. Because you think going into brooklyn without their top. Three players in the end without rant during jackson junior injustice winslow is hurt and they get a w. as big as the. The worrisome part is without john mirant who was their second best player on the floor. If those other guys are injured and it was kyle. Anderson you ha. That doesn't happen very often. The offense running. Through kyle. Anderson and dillon brooks and a little yoenis balance tunis and they get the w. it's a real real good win for them on the road. You still expect the nets with vert it to get it done on that side. So good w for them obviously. Yeah you're you're. You're not being the nets best players because when the trainers are telling them. Hey you guys are going to sit this game. It's really a schedule sit. That's the unfortunate part. I think the nba knows when they dropped the schedule of three game and four nights up. Kevin durant hasn't played in eighteen months. Kyrie irving hasn't been the they know that they're going to sit at at some point in a perfect world these games would be more spread out and i think kevin durant wants to play every game. It's not like he wants to simply being us said so it's a schedule thing If there's no back to backs there's no excuse really. It should be like euro basketball where there's two games a week. Ideally you know. There's there's a game off in between but then breaks. They know what they're doing. As i know they've lessen the the backtracks and and that's the way it's They're trying to progress but in this situation here where we're they're jamming in seven months of the season last. You have to take into account things like the rockets were they miss a game because of the coronavirus in tracing in you have to not miss a game but the game Postponed you gotta cram them in there and This ended up being a fun game at the end. That goes into overtime. Even without those stars. I liked the move by new head coach. Steve nash. nine seconds left and not grizzlies inbounding the ball up one. So the foul. They can't just let the clock. Go and nash doesn't allow elects not to guardian. Bounder love. that six guys trailing five guys love the math their love it. unfortunately they couldn't come up with steel. But i like watching nash I i think him and d'antoni they're gonna be creative on that side. They're going to do some things there so it was. It was a good watch even though stars it was but but lee is right. I know i was like when i saw the news that both of those guys weren't playing katie and i was obviously excited to be tuning into mba tv to catch it Turned into an exciting game. I was watching. Obviously down the stretch and in overtime but Yeah it's like well socks. These guys are playing national. National game do is national gentle. This is the part. I don't i don't get because they came out prior to the season saying we will find you guys if you're arresting stars in in marquee games but yeah like trae said i guess they don't consider nba. It's perplexing one final little random note from this game. I love the grizzlies baby blue jerseys. I love how it looks. It looks really cool on the nets court to like the how the colors look but man do those things on some guys looked so sweaty. Vallon shoot brooks dillon. Brooks is an underrated sweaty guy. I'm very slutty. Yeah and that blue. Just changes color hyper color man. So i get i don. I like the overall look but they need to figure out the fabric or something. It gets a little too dark for my liking their tray. I don't know if you have a light. Blue jersey is similar to jersey or perhaps a great crew neck sweatshirt. your show us let stains baby the grizzlies. You throw in the fact that they got a tiny little numbers on the front. It can make man like brooks like a little sweaty and dumpy. No doubt about another slava out there. Checking up the shots but you know job pulls it off. He's very skinny yet. Doesn't make him look very chunky. they're gonna need him back soon because once. You're watching the nets. They pulled off that win last night. But if you're asking grayson. Allen dillon brooks. Yeah the grizzlies grayson allen dillon brooks kyle anderson valentinus to carry on offense. It's not gonna be a very easy. It's turning into a little bit curse season for the grizzlies. Hopefully they get some good news. With joe and tom jones. Our backup point guard like a decent backup. Winker i think in this league has really struggled so far so i think they'll just go with what you're saying tasks like our point guard is call anderson like they've run through as it is walk a lot through many walk nice well said so if there is no job ran for a couple of weeks while you. You're going to be relying heavily on him if you're playing fantasy basketball and you don't got call anderson he's available somehow. Go grab him right now. He's gonna put some numbers. I think they're in memphis if joe-marie misses some significant time. Okay let's get moving here next game lear. Going to get started trae young. He leads the hawks. Two three ot start. Oh baby undefeated they defeat the pistons won twenty eight to one twenty. What's your one big thing from this. Victory tom zillow's newsletter. This morning the title was scores. And stuff and i think that's appropriate. I think this was score and stuff game from last night. The hawks one trae young was actually held relatively quiet if you go by the way. He usually plays because he only took thirteen. Shorthair fifteen for fifteen from three free throw line and twenty nine points and six assists but it was a pretty comfortable victory here for the hawks kind of lead from start to finish. You got some contributions from everybody who played on that team. Rundowns made his debut. He was quite good for the hawks. Both down donovan. Which is a beautiful shooter of the basketball. that's i really enjoy watching clod klinka millimeters booed. Did yes ten ten date. The hawks there. I'll lloyd base and everybody actually contributed which was which was good but another guy to star sat out like griffin derrick rose. Now it's not. They're not the same stars. They used to be in their day. But are really looked at the young pistons roster and i thought you know what though they are clearly in rebuild mode the clearly that they're on a different timeline for rose and blake griffin. But both those two guys have some trade valley so is actually working the trade machine this morning. What do you got man. But i hate blake. Griffin's contract is so tough. It is tough because i tried to find a look. Look i think he two seasons ago two seasons ago not long before he was all. Nba remember. He had a really good season blake. And he's only thirty one. It feels like he's older than that. And in the games he has played so far. He's looking for so. I think he's still got something to contribute. But he's on a team. That's nowhere near contention. So i thought i'm trying to get into a team that i think is not really a contender. But they're in the playoffs for shaw and they need a player who else can create and still score. So i'm trying to get into the blazes. I'm trying to talk about the blazes. Going for kevin love lead. I think that's going to happen right now for a couple of reasons. I think kevin love's just he. You need to see him on the court i. He's injured right now. And you need to seem to be able to perform where it's like in can but likes contract at thirty six million dollars for this season and next season just makes it almost impossible because you're not gonna give up obviously cj or damon that deal trying to get some little pieces here so the best got so far which doesn't even work. He's covington rutley hood. Who just signed with them. They kind of be traded for a couple months anyway and they're still fourteen million dollars shore so we need. I'm trying to. I'm trying to get that team involved there something working this all week. Look i think robert covington was actually good signing for the blazes. I like you. Steve fancies a three indego. But of course. I think you would give him up in this situation. And rodney hood signed blake. I think is better than than than than either of those guys. Yeah so. I need to find that thirteen which i'm still working. I haven't been out of find that just yet. But i do think blake on the blazes would actually be a good fit at this stage of his career and i think the blazes could use as well because again you can dump the ball to him. He's got that little. Mid range is still strong. Enough is a bit. Like zach randolph. You can still bodyguards. He can step out. Hit the three. He's never going to be the blake like that's gone but fine. He doesn't have to be. He can still be a very very Decent player and i think that's what the blazes is still missing. I now we'll get to them a little bit later on. I think they've improved from last season. But still don't really think there are a contender. I think light could Improved them and again if the pistons if you can get out from under his contract i think you do that because clearly. They're moving forward in the direction we some of the younger players who who actually looked okay last night so now. Getting back to the hawks pistons game. It's a game. It's a game at the hawks. Threes areso for the first time in a couple of years. I mean this look like they play brooklyn next. That's actually the hawks. Because they have won. They are three and they've bitten the grizzlies twice. I think they play the grizzlies grizzlies pistons. Sorry i so bulls grizzly pissing. I mean not. Hey if the hawks want to make the playoffs. Those are the exact exact. Listen this is. This is important for the hawks. Win these gaps cape trae young happy but the game itself it. We look at how to watch. Sometimes because it's like it wasn't a super exciting game. I'll be honest. It was it was. It was good to see the hawks win. Good to see both down mcdonagh jet but again the pistons a young team. The two stars aren't even playing if the hawks can't win that game then they're in real trouble right. The pistons are fascinating. Because you said they're stars aren't playing but when they were playing prior games. They're playing heavy minutes like keys in this weird thing where he's trying to win games because he wants to keep his job probably and we all talked about the pistons really they should be a complete rebuilding mode like they should tank. You know honestly one of the rare teams that should go for the number one pick here and they could use that into their author and they have all this young talent so like throw it out there. See what you got in killian hayes and do and stuff like that so it was almost like i almost. It's a weird one. Because i preferred those guys not playing last night because i wanna see the pistons who actually were. They played pretty well in the loss. They made it a game. They kept a pretty close down. The stretch got to liking peers. And the hawks but yeah it's just a weird is going to be a weird year here for detroit and we said prior to starting the season play these playwrights play blake try and see if they have their trade value. Get high as possible and then make deal. Maybe that's what's going to happen. Sorry i interjected their tasks. You're gonna say some well. It was the young guys for the hawks to playing at the end. Because glinka capella. I guess they're sorta limiting his minutes in his first game back and danilo gonorrhea injured so i think lord loyalty a good job even though there they haven't played great competition They've managed the rotation of a billion guys pretty. Well 'cause they have a serious glut but they've got so many guys that have been injured gallons miss two or three games. Rondos miss two of three games on yet. Congo has missed. All the games compels missed two or three games. Chris done is going to be out for a long time. He's missed all three games but they manage it pretty well to get into three know and they had their young guys playing at the end Which is that their future. I'm not sure there's there's so many question marks That brings me to my next question. Clink appel places first game and he's a minus ten playing alongside a collins clink about not hundred percent yet. But that's the question in the frontcourt or those two guys gonna play together. Can they play together. Are they gonna be successful or are they gonna put up a positive points. Because they didn't last night. They took clincal off the floor and then john collins was roman and He did his thing alongside trae young. That's where he does his thing in the lane so those guys still haven't played together yet when they play brooklyn twice wednesday and fridays when they played them both at brooklyn to reduce the the travel. Here in cova times. Those are going to be tough. Game for the hawks. And lloyd gonna have to manage again those rotations. There's just so many guys in. There's so many. Mississippi am bogdonovich is come off the bench to three times So that's that's a pretty positive for appears to to to have managed so far to be one of the four undefeated teams remaining in the game. But there's questions. They haven't signed john collins yet. Where do they didn't give him that extension. They're just managing guys and it is fun. Because you get to see these young guys andrea hunter who i think has grown and you get to see the oldies. It's a nice team to to root for especially with those beauty jerseys night in night out. They have no jerseys that miss whether they're playing in their third jersey their city addition. Whatever they're called. They're all bangers so they're all fun. They're all good to watch especially on this brooklyn court. I'm looking forward to how they announce out on the gray scale there because it's an interesting court. They've gone in brooklyn with the. I wonder if they go black. The hawks do at tone no. But it's gonna look pretty on wednesday night. The hawks also state farm arena. They went with the video board. Which is i do like because instead of covering the seats with like sponsorship logo and stuff like that they actually like we sort of saw to some extent in the bubble. Just just video boards there. You're still getting your ads chick-fil-a in your ups ads. But it does look nicer on the broadcast. What you think of the hawks pistons game was it just a scored. Whatever he's a game. What a catchphrase. I know the hawks to me seemed to be as advertise. Like you guys are mentioning. They have real depth now they have an actual bench run out bogg bog rondo herder even solomon hill bruno. Fernando had a decent game last night. These are nba level players. It's not gonna last like this for the rest of the season but right now. The hawks have eight guys in double figures scoring. The offense is great. Twenty-three pretty close for comfort there at the end because once the hawks got up twenty four. I think there's about seven minutes left. It felt like they kind of just stopped playing. It felt like mason. Plumlee had one hundred dunks in those finals. Set admitted like they just waltz down the lane and it's a mason plumlee would dunk it. You're like his. Henry ellison no no it's mason plumlee. We got big guys for days over here. But i was enjoying the hawks. Jerseys do look great. You gotta beat the bad teams. It wasn't just the score to me. The hawks figuring out how to play together. They've got a whole bunch more pieces. They've got more pieces that they're going to be adding as well wants niilo. Galadari is able to get on the court and it's gonna be a matter of figuring out how those actually fit because it feels like john. Collins and clint capella are kind of in the same position. They're both best as rim runners and they both would likely fit best with danilo gallinari as stretch for outside of them. So we'll see how loyd pearson's able to navigate his rotations as the season continues but great first week for the hawks for sure collar around. I was tweeting last night. Who's trading for john collins. Maybe the blazers should not worry about. Blake griffin lately and try and make an offer for john collins could be had so i could definitely get in contract with me Let me let me see quarterback. I did see this morning. Just just in Tweeting trae young as the first player in nba history to score at least one hundred points through his first three games of the season while attempting fewer than fifty shots from the field. 'cause you said at lee. This guy has shot. Forty six free throws already. He's forty two for forty six at the line. Radio ninety one point three percent awesome eat nineteen from distance and then a shooting really good fifty three percent from the floor overall points for through the first three games. He is a well. he's at the conversation he's at the table for. Mvp early on in this year. One weekend there is no And so is this guy. Let's go to the next game yokich monster stat line globally. He got it today. He helps the nuggets to their first. Win they took care of the rockets one. Twenty four one eleven task get started biggest takeaway from denver's first win in the season. Well if you don't wanna play defense denver's gonna cut you as james harden said postgame. He said we haven't really had any practices altogether ready to go thursday. There's always one guy practice. We're trying to find the guy who's missing hardened his culpable for not being there along with those guys out big time because of a contract contact tracing with the rockets. No john wall not markets cousins. No eric gordon and It was a little different in the rockets first game. They're playing portland. That's a little bit more standard operationally. Play the big role and our guards make things happen and And this one yokich at the top you know. Let's let's run some back door cutters. And they just they got they got beat and so. The rockets are in Because they lost that blazers game in overtime nothing to be scoff at. That's all right. That's a right to lose that game. And they lost this one year. And that's okay for james harden. He still looks very tradeable He still had a really good game. So i think the rockets are feeling pretty. Good evening stephen. Silas in the head. Coaching spot feels pretty good. Especially with all those guys out there. Starting lineup of james harden christian. Pj tucker those guys are gonna be starters. Daniel house david wada If you don't john wall substitute for for house or something like that because they have a pretty good defensive lineup with no album who you know. People just don't really know about that guy because he's been injured is sort of a defensive guy but they i i make. I make that point because they could be a good team. They could have a nice balance between offensive defense. And i don't know cousins fits in the starting lineup or not but They're solid and they just have to practice and but they haven't had the chance in these short training camps on your your star players is partying up a little bit being skinny being fat being fat being skinny working out not working out He hasn't been the leader that the rockets need. But i don't know if the rockets really care at this point Because james harden looks good if they trade him they're going to get some value for many. He looked good again Last night although he didn't have quite the legs that he did in the first game against the blazers but either did his teammates. And i guess 'cause that's 'cause they don't practice so hopefully they get on that. They have a couple of days off before thursday and john wall cousins. Gordon are going to be back. So they'll be they'll be good and that's the weird part about this western conference. They could easily make the playoffs as we said in. The nuggets needed their first win. So done downplay rockets team. That wasn't really ready defensively. And they got it. Do yourself a favor. If you haven't watched the highlights from your kitchen this game and go watch his passes because the task perfectly said he just carved them up. I would imagine that. I think you'll get would be on the shortlist paul the bunch of nba players. Like most wanna play with. I would think you would be on people's lists because my god if you move. He is going to find you and he's going to find the most crazy angles because he's such a giant and he can just dump it over people and can wrap it around people. And he's like has the most incredible touch for a guy his size that everyone would wanna play with them. I just like watching the highlights like that passed that past that past like nominee guys. There let alone try and it's more times than not right on the spot. No doubt fun game. I like to play when i'm watching nicole. Yokich highlights is to pause it before he passes. 'cause you're like who's open here open. Who's getting the ball and it looks like he's going to the corner. It looks like it could be under the hoop. Sometimes you don't even have to move to get a pass from nicola yokich. I felt like there were so many times where it'd be michael porter. Jr. spotted up in the corner. Yeah paul millsap kind of wander underneath the basket and suddenly he's wide open. Because you go out to michael porter jr. in the corner sometimes he does it. Looks like the exact same past. Sometimes it's a three point or sometimes it's a layup you talk about him being in the mvp mix. There's no doubt about that. He could lead the league in assists eighteen last night. He's currently leading the league at fourteen assists per game. He was running the fast break like yokich jogging the court. He was sprinting. Finding guys on the break. He has been ready to go since the beginning of the season. And tasse saying if you're not able to practice if you're not able to get your defense on the same page. It's knives out within the coach. He's got great chemistry with gary harris. Paul millsap he's developing it with michael porter. Jr. i think you know michael porter obviously is a guy who likes to have the ball in his hands and figure out how to score that way but learning to play off nicoli yokip. We'll make things even easier for michael porter. Jr. good stuff from the big man. Oh yeah no doubt. They are developing chemistry. Michael porter jr. him yokich threw a pass into the post like were there was bodies all around michael porter junior but he threw it in the one spot. Like the only spot. I'm convinced that porter could catch it and then sort of power through and go up. I don't know if you've ever saw that clip economy. It was a beautiful catch to. I'd just love watching them. Play the one thousand nine hundred and twelve is forty. Second triple double did he. Passer tie fat lever for the most triple doubles in nuggets history. One of the other place. Yeah it's a blast to watch and he is going to lead the league in assists if his guy's hit threes because that's the other thing with yokich yet all the highlight passes but he sees the guy in the corner that's open he just zips. He's lebron late. We're just blew right over there. You're going to get a good look if you had. That's an assist for him. He'll get a whole lot that we got a whole lot in this game. I thought that way not just the backdoor cutting and the little dump passes inside other guys just flying it over these open guys in the corner. fun to watch lee and he is definitely at the table for. Mvp conversation and he even catches The broadcast team. They're off guard sometimes because they don't even see those passes they sort of see and then all of a sudden someone's cutting baseline inside scores. It like you know. They're so spoiled that last night. I was watching this game later on that night. He said that he missed the he missed the guy cutting back door at one point missed them and then they're like that's all spoiled. There are tiny sliver that they're saying that he got back door. It's like okay guys combined for the one that actually gave him the triple double. I think as well. They sorta thought a wonder if we'll given that assist and it was like in the nba. That absolutely was just dumped it over. I think it was monte morris. I believe i'm not sure but anyway. That's the thing like it was one of the standard pasta because we've seen so many electric ones otherwise it was kind of like. Oh this this past doesn't seem to be what aeko yokich specialties. But trae mench well. It's going to bring that up. One thing i really noticed and i think this team was was their first win of the season last night. Yokich was actually hustling by pushing bowl loss. Not he's kind of got that slow away of moving up the court sometimes. I just walked all past half court but last night it was like no. We gotta get out there. And we've got to actually make sure we crush this team and finish the job because the rockets can always score you. Know hardens always capable especially in that first half he was hitting those shots and even that was a ten point game. No lead-safe so that's what. I think you saw from the team last night and yet you don't get your main right now. He's what twenty four fourteen and twelve on the season. That's twelve rebounds fourteen assists. I mean a triple double for the season has to be really imply right now for him and i mean imagine that imagine. He does that and he's also shooting the ball very very well so yeah he. He's gotten off to a very good start this year. Forty three percent from downtown sixty two percent from the field. A lot of those shots. You know just sort of inside and he flips them up in fact he probably would have a high percentage because a couple of sheltie he met me makes actually zone put backs as well. You know he does flip them up there and occasionally they don't go in and it's not he's not bouncing off the floor like anthony davis dwight howard or anyone who just sort of playing that handle just tapping it tapping it up and eventually goes did but this is. This is important for the nuggets that he starts playing this way and from the start of the season. Because you know we've mentioned in the positives bit of a slow starter but he doesn't have november this year so we'd straight into december strays. Mvp conversation and for the nuggets again. They've got expectations issues. So it was important for them to get on the win in the win column lots not. Yeah jamal murray did have a good game to this one Before he had to leave with a head injury right doesn't seem too serious. He was back on the bench. Didn't check back into the game. He hopefully is okay. Goodwin for the nuggets and go checkout those highlights. It's so much fun to watch especially a guy his size zip in the ball around. This episode is brought to you by ten ten. Now you may have read about this in the new york times or forbes and we're excited to tell you about it. Ten ten is an exclusive collection of ten one of a kind engagement rings designed by ten of the most distinctive designers working today using only diamonds responsibly. 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La while you mentioned damian lillard and he was great no doubt about doing the classic lillard thing of getting people involved early taken over in the fourth quarter eight points for lillard in the fourth and it kinda just felt like he was going at mantras herald every single time he could but the lakers were still experimenting with their rotations. They're playing for july. They ain't plan for december but the big story to me. Gary trump junior is back. Had he really left had he really arrived. It's hard to say. He was great in the bubble and it seemed like he was going to be an instrumental. Part of this portland team. He got just six minutes in their last game. He played a bunch in their opener. But gary junior was great. last night seven threes. He finished with twenty eight points and he was just sitting some bonkers threes. Pull ups off the dribble some off a screen. Some just catching shoot to me. He's a guy that needs to be playing a lot for the blazers just because he maybe. He's a streaky shooter. But he seems to be a pretty solid shooter. he's gonna give effort defensively and he just brings a little bit of an attitude to the team. I think they play hard when he's out there. Everybody gets fired up when he's on fire. I liked what i saw from. Gary trenton and i want to see more of it is great. Awesome seven threes huge huge. Anthony davis what did you think of him in this game. Trae he is. I mean we talked about. Mvp picks a lot of people had him. Fine lebron maybe would be talking them up but he was just like like a zombie. I thought she was doing nothing. And like again you're right. There's a champs like who cares this early. You just played. You know seventy five days ago your season but not looking good for his. Mvp chances. I wasn't getting it. Because i don't think he's gonna put the effort in like it was embarrassingly link checked out. I thought mentally and lebron was still doing the browns but was like two points in the first half and shot like three or four times in the second half like he couldn't care less right. Yeah that's exactly right. He ended up with four thirteen points on. Fourteen shots there game in four nights four. The week for the lakers. Which would you rather have kyrie. Irving and kevin durant not playing and get some time for your young guys. Or anthony davis. No one out there and half estimate for did. He didn't play the night before. He's contusion i said and he's coffin and so when he missed that one game and then he was back with no minutes restriction it was like well he obviously just sat out the game but maybe he was injured certainly his attitude last night was like i don't really wanna play. Don't feel like it. It which is which is weird because anytime you see davis lebron playing. They try to win. Games lebron doesn't ever like losing under any circumstances even though we know that he does cruise along sorry to have them both that they applying And and you know the blazes are one of those teams like they us so capable of beating any team on any given not but it just doesn't feel like again if that was a playoff series. No one would be like well. I think the blazes can take you just know that lebron just like that's the game that we kinda mail in and that's what happened. Yeah gary trente for sure. That's exactly what we saw from in the bubble when he gets hot he gets red hot and just hit everything. He really wants the ball in his hands. He really wants to go after his shot and he gets it and it was great. But it's the lakers hard to evaluate any any game because it's just it doesn't really matter nothing. Nothing really matters until playoffs for them. No fortunately the game. So yes yes. So i think a couple of things gary motivated by playing only five minutes the game before terry stotts had him fired up to show his stuff in this one. Twenty points and twenty three minutes blazers. Eventually turn this around in the second quarter and then yet lillard finished it off in the fourth quarter and he was going at mantras herro for sure and in. Last year's iteration of the lakers team. That's white howard playing d instead of mantras herro. And that's that's the thing i know. Anthony davis appeared to take the day game off. He does that from time. To time and lebron's lakers are. I'm sorry lebron's caz when they won a championship in sixteen they stop playing defense. The next year during the regular season they slowed down where they went down to like the twentieth. Best defense. that's going to happen. You gotta rely on your bench guys to step up and do it in mantras ariza. Yeah he's he's not gonna do it the same way. Dwight howard was will that matter in the in the playoffs. Probably not because it's anthony davis playing the five and they're probably gonna put a better defensive line about their other. It's wesley matthews. Or markeith. Morris playing More that position. So yeah that that's going to have. We said that. About anthony davis even during the playoffs. There's some games where he just two floats in and out and Yeah that was a gary trent show and a dame lillard show on the other side and have the lakers are going to have some bad games like that commercial. Anthony was out on the seer. Little also do the coronavirus protocol which the league is obviously taking very very seriously montek. tracing is it I mentioned it about last week about the rockets were. They're just making guys sit because the image plus Was bad bless you. You have to sit this one. I'm not sure who is but trey. So yeah you gotta sit out because hey speaking of sneeze when yam sneezes do you say bless you to your dog. Of course yeah okay. Good yeah i love her. Yeah i know. I in fact i don't trust someone if they don't say bless you there. I've decided that okay. Sorry bless bless everybody carmelo and this year little hope there are good and they can come back by get to the nba. Taking it seriously. Because i was wondering last week. If james harden wasn't caught on video being at a club And then these other stories come out about the the group haircuts everybody doing group haircuts would would. They have clamped down on them. The same way as if if it wasn't on video while anthony little just you know there's something going on there. Whatever the contact tracing is. I haven't really looked into it. But they sat him down and they don't play this game and because they are taking it seriously. So that's That's important in these times that we're in because people are sneezing coughing. Not wearing masks all over the place. So hey sit this one out and hopefully they get back. Bless everybody Final game donovan. Mitchell he took over late hit the game winner to lift the jazz over. Okay see one ten one nine. This is a really exciting ending to this one. Sgi mr driving layup in traffic. I really go bear with right there. I think i was in the back of his mind. You got it up on the rim. I thought actually was gonna lay up. He yeah wow lay. It was difficult. We're going to go. I mean again. I think rudy being there made them like rushing a little bit probably put an higher that he may want to but he misses an all-star may jasmine. Not there yet trays. Not there yet but jazz. Get the victory. One point victory in this task big takeaway outside of australia. Missing a layup. Well the thunder are being thunder like just like last year. The only two games. But they're starting lineup of s g old george hill lou door with a career high bang. Bang bang thing. I hate calling that a career high. I hate it. Why because the regular season twenty six points scored thirty in a playoff game. So darius baizley who is a they're you know they're guy along with s g that they're hoping another second. Your guy can be awesome and al horford as their center. They're just they're just workmanlike and a lot of young teams look should look at okay. See an envy that you know. There's a lot of teams in the league like the bulls who aren't working their ass off Sorry trae but the look at the thunder and they are and they get to these end of new situations and s j had to end that game he had to end. He got past rudy. Gobert the free throw. It was a cool play. Actually drawn up by eric. Daniel of nondescript coach in the league bark isn't it sounds like a hockey player. That i saw give credit for that one test. Jj danielle warmer former hab. So those beauty go to al horford kinda threw everybody off. S j drives past. Who had who bumps them at the free throw line at a lab any just rushed it and that could have been two game winners in two games for a young guy. Hasn't had those hasn't had the reps yet but bailout great. They look absolutely great in the jazz. Lucky mitchell took over right. I mean he scored. I think the final twelve points. He's got doro vermont game. That's going to help me. But he blew by at the end and he really tough. Like little runner. That's not an easy shot. I know these guys are pros. But that was a nice little finish from mitchell. Which was i guess. Ultimately game winner right on door. Yeah he he sort of build the meltdown. I thought donna mitchell which is always a nice reminder. I think mitchell. I don't know maybe it's me speaking but i always forget how good donald mitchell is at times that's why last year's playoffs such a nice reminder when he was battling jamal murray. It's like i just like there's so much talent in this league. Maybe because he's in utah. I don't know i forget about including them on a lot of lists where you're like. Oh a guy that can take over a game and hit bigshots late. Always sorta leave him out of that group and like i said it's just a nice reminder when you catch the game and you see him do it and you go into the basket early as well. That's about it But boy on poke donovan as well. Now look the jazz to one here. But they haven't played all that well. So i saw early into the season. I mean this is a game again. The jazz have got designs on finishing the top four. They should have put away the okay so you found out that they weren't able to do that but i just think Donna does just give them that offense at i missed. I think down in the bubble day because he's such a beautiful shoot. The buggies lost with right to watch because boehner a bit of a buggy bona. Because it's beautiful shooters at the ball and a couple of times when when boy on this got the ball if you leave him for a second thing is catch every single time but one thing. I noticed that this game is the in arena. Crowd noise seems to be very low. If in fact which is good though. I like it because it's like like in charlotte for example. I think it's over the top because the pumping so loud and the crowds cheering every like guys. Bring the ball up the court. france cheers. But we've talked about a of times just hearing the on court like you can't really make out the conversation. He plays calling screens and things like that. And i actually like that aspect of the game. So i thought that was good but then there are times. I think i can hear it. Their softly in the background. So maybe it's just not coming through the. Tv's is there but it's good. I like it. I like it. So yeah you're right. It's varies from arena to cast broadcast. How much volume. The guy is you know how their version of jaydee how much i think of charlotte on the jump. Ball the other day against brooklyn buddy on the jump balls a good guy. What do you think of the jazz uniforms. They last night. They were Rich because when you're going up against the white the thunder like they really popped off the screen ones. I thought area. So i didn't mind them. Traded off. i. I think the shorts are literal fire. Jerseys that's shiny shoulders. The shoulder plan but they were working for me to author was still still one day to make millions off shoulder. Plaid's mentioned yeah. Let's shoulder plans you ask. It's just a t shirt with plaid's attached to the shoulder. That's it it'll catch on it. Okay todd anything else to add for many of these guys before we get to the news short nearly had the game winner there last night with that three. And don't we have a. I could be a female in our comments. All the time like in the stream team always saying door to door. People in the street team are going crazy. The mention of doors. Yeah right right their neck we would have been started we this darting with if they if he hit the game winner non for eleven five seven from downtown there for doherty last night so he needs to fire his agent is what dort. Yeah i make it like five billion dollars over the next two years. Yeah and defensively. He's got so much energy to give. We saw it on. James hot and of course mostly down there in orlando last night. He was great again and then when he gets out and runs east. I mean he contributes to me so much out there like that shot if that can become really consistent. then he's going to be very good played. Still there's still a little bit of a set of ood when he shoots it. But yeah listening. Knocked in the biggest little tony allen like a little bit for short on the show. But he's issued to with confidence and so you imagine he's going to become consistent with the hard work that he puts in. Yeah do you think especially now that toronto raptors are in tampa. So they're not even candidates team. Could we make the case that okay see should be canada's team to sca can we make task twenty one more one more canadian on the squad. Canadian ho french out skeets poku scored. You might not have scored. But he's out there. This is a an interesting team to watch dort. Who is just a human bowling ball. One hundred percent must ask who is the complete opposite. You got a guy out there. Growing out. A mullet kendrick williams. What an exciting team to watch. I saw george hill the hoop. I was like all right. George hills on the fun. Yeah horford al. Horford is still like a shocker. To me that he's like when tass mentioned him. I was like oh yeah or for. Its on this team. That's really weird one to me but they also. I hope i'm not confusing teams. Let me just double check. Yeah they also have a moose on their team michael moose gala schedule on sure moose. Jaw right right. Where's trey lyles plan right now. Senate tiny oh yeah. Let's get him though. Cassie let's throw trae route trails on on the thunder and then that will be candidates. Alright five games one thing actually five games a lot of things but that was a lot of fun some news. The nba announced yesterday. That seventy six president of basketball operations deal. Maury has been fined fifty thousand dollars for violating the nba anti tampering policy. The fires in response to a december twentieth tweet about james harden the tweet which was deleted soon after several minutes later but pretty quickly celebrated the one year anniversary of heartbreaking. The rockets franchise assist record. So laurie got slapped with a fifty thousand dollar fine for that. Tweet tasks the same amount as many as pointed out That hardin got fined for breaking the health and safety protocols with how he was handling the covert or not handling. It are taking it. Seriously. what's your takeaway from daryl. Morey is fine here. I take away that this glorious. Because his excuse was that it was an inadvertent post from an automated app. Yeah so he had programmed it. He had scheduled a tweet essentially just like all of us. I i want this to come out on the no dunks account at noon today. Well he put it in his calendar. That hates the anniversary of heartbreaking. The the assist record. I'm gonna post something and you know if there's any general manager who loves the numbers who loves planning who who loves the data. He would put it in automated app so it's not bologna and that's totally fine. I love that. He uses scheduled tweets. So i'm cool with that. I'm totally cool with and the fifty thousand dollar fine. Whatever i guess you gotta do it. I just like the the automated app part and it worked. That's scheduled tweet actually got so you know. I think he got. He's upset fifty k. Down but he's pretty happy that the automated at worked no. Yeah he is upset. He's i milo county saying. I did it really tweet that it's this dumb app that i have that like obviously a year later will just re tweet it. It sounds like a smart app to me. Well yeah okay. Well however you want to look at what cost fifty thousand dollars. It's expensive f. I guess is another way to look at it Do you believe d- believe on their tray that this was like sort of out of his hand so he had to give permission to the account to post to just like so canada's role. Come on this is so stupid. This is the dumbest fine. They are smith getting in trouble for untied shoelaces. But daryl morey. I think you should just delete twitter at this point. Stick to stories. You can say. Ben simmons is going to be the mvp over there and only one podcast cares about it liaising. That didn't the bucks get fun for tampering with their players. Well like i talked about. Dom tampering fines This is up with that. Because i i never schedule tweets you. I would like to point an actual daryl morey scheduling tweet. I think it's this athlete. Trae said where i did. I forget the name of it. There was not time hopper me or something like this app is called light. Trae said it probably ask you when you download it. Hey can i in a year can i. can i automatically tweet things. And you just click. Okay that's people. Do i think that's what happened. He didn't actually a year ago. Schedule it a year later to then tweet which is all about everybody. Everybody puts a calendar they put in. Oh that's peter's birthday on april fourteenth. So i don't forget it same thing anything. Well happy birthday. Peter to go see lee. You don't schedule. Tweets you live in the moment so so your little confused by this. That's why schedule it. Because just in case in case you get into the hoop because because i i did do it. Sometimes when we're at the stars for the tv show that sort of tweet just before the short but it wouldn't always work in tweak. When sometimes like ten minutes into the show. We got a lot in ten minutes. And i'm like what i'm saying maury as pump that this actually works. Yeah maybe that's it but you still can't schedule tweet. Twitter can you. It's like tweet deck and you can't be a twitter dot com. Yeah i think he called it yet. don't worry about it just now. I can't imagine i've site. Just hold onto that all that. What for an hour or two and then tweeted or a day or a week or a year. That are you saying that your drafts folders empty. Like you don't have the man so everything you come up with your like. This is a banger. The people need. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying it all bags but i just i just like see my my Drowsy schedule schedule now. Okay you should tweet this this. I i might schedule it. We just to see if it works. One year ago today we talked about scheduling l. On a live podcast. Trying to see my drafts drafts a all right. So yeah okay. You got fifty thousand dollars. final piece of news. This is some good news brandon. Ingram democracy bonus. They've been named the nba players of the week for week. One week one is in the books. Ingram average twenty six point seven point seven point three rebounds and six point seven assists as new orleans started to and one and sa- bonus bonus. Excuse me average twenty. Four eleven and seven. Basically as the pacers stayed undefeated at three zero. Congratulations both those guys like question. Trae are both of these guys locks to make the all star game again ingram bonus. I think that's a bonus no doubt about it is a lock in the eastern conference. The pacers are going to be in the mix for a playoff spot. They could contend for homecourt advantage wilsey. He's their star. He's their go guy. It probably won't end up like this come. All-star time but right now he's leading the pacers in points rebounds and assess so. I think he has an easy choice to be making it back to the all star game. I also love this tweet. I saw from jim cunningham yesterday not about democracy bonus but it's about rb to suppose looks kinda get it's too perfect. Took ray liotta his head and doubled in size. Call that a person but incredible. Take a shot of eighteen hundred tequila Bonus lock it in. I think brandon ingram. I think is a little bit more of a question for a couple of reasons. It's just tougher to make it in the conference. There are more guys who are locked sore. There are less spots. And i think he will be competing against zion williamson right now. Ingram no doubt as the guy that you would put in as the all star from pelicans but it could be zion by mid season. There's a world that you can imagine. Zion makes it as a fan vote right where he gets voted into the game. And then you're thinking are really going to be to pelicans in this all star game. I'm not one hundred percent convinced that they're going to be that good of a team that they get to all stars but brandon. Ingram has been great. He looks like an all star again. At least an all star caliber player. It'll just be a matter of the politics of it all. Yeah for sure. Ingram sort of taking a page out of the jaka playbook right now i would say from last year and what i mean by that is a member. I was trying to make the case that siachen will potentially go back to back in most improved. I mean ingram is sort of like early early on that little trajectory. He's not gonna win. It of course didn't but see i come last year. Like look like he went next level after the most improved at the start of the year especially first couple of months. And i think ingram's doing that as well right now as looked really really solid. Obviously it helps that. They're two in one. But i hear you trae. If you're picking one of those guys locks unlikely likely going wolverine or who are people saying he looked like From that sabinas photo with his hair like the dad from family ties. Were saying so holding the guy from family ties in nicely on his name was okay. Do you guys tasked you agree though if you were to pick one as a locker you're going to the eastern conference with bonus over england or maybe not. Yeah i think so but it is crazy about the pelicans because brandon ingram is definitely their best player. That's the guy they run through zion williamson. He gets some of the the the crumbs but he is so good that he turns it into twenty thirty point nights especially with the the back court that struggling there in lonzo ball and eric bledsoe so the ball gets zion on the perimeter and he does something with it. Even if you know eric. Bledsoe and lonzo ball aren't stretching. The floor and steven adams is instructing the floor. Only ingram really out there. Josh hart out there in the floor. There's guys in the lane just waiting for zion to come in and barrel through them. He finds a way to to draw foul or get around them. He's that good. So yeah the question is will the fans vote him in even though he's not technically their best player but are they re still going to go with the fifty percent fan boat. Twenty five percent media. Twenty five percent coaches coaches. I guess not. The coaches doesn't make sense does whatever whatever the formula is fifty percent fans twenty five percent media. Twenty five percent. Coaches coaches do star. Because i didn't think visit the coaches through the reserve. The flames players. That's right that's right so it's going to be tough. They may they may cancel each other out in a weird way him damaging because players know that ingram is number one guy But as i is putting up those numbers in yeah he is the fan draw. So you think you think pelicans well they're national. Tv really because of zion williamson but you game plan for brandon. Ingram really for sure talk. This episode is brought to you by magic spoon. 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Interacting with it onto lee was to at russ bankston. Really tweet of the day he tweeted. Sometimes i still think about how darren williams got his panther tattoo covered up with an even bigger panther tattoo included the photos. That's young darren williams on the left of course if you're joining us here on the stream team and see the somewhat smaller panther tattoo and then he just went. Hey i love that could make it better. Make it scarier zoom in. He made the first one right. And that's all you covered up with a better one like that's a looney tunes tattoo. I read somewhere that a lot of the guys because he went to the university of illinois. That like three guys on the team all went to like this crappy tattoo shop in all based they got the same tattoo and i guess he regretted it so he upgraded it to the to the sick awesome. One yell you that. Wow i love this tweet because while it's always nice to be reminded of during williams panther tattoos on his arms but i got people talking about other great nba tattoos cure linkohr's dragon tattoo on his back. Giant one kenyon martin's lips tattoo on his neck has limbs got the giant back to florida. I think marquees daniels does is to ask just talking tattoos li. I know you're not a fan hate to do this to you. But talking tad's mentioned richard jefferson. Just looks like he has bubble letters. Rj written brad miller obviously rocks and one man and scrappy. Do we haven't seen darren williams for a few years. he could have an even bigger panther. Now isn't into the us something now for sure. Yeah yeah. He's bulked up like mike bibby. Maybe that's the tattoo friendly place you think we'll ever get. We'll ever get the fat of the of the bob wire around the bicet tattoo. Tom talk juliana kendall. Gill how tracy mcgrady had over three notably how that barbour tattoo shaman has it as well giant sham. I wonder did. Did he get it. And then i'm gonna make this bigger bigger martyr not yet maybe maybe does need to cover it up thiab. That was the big thing about ninety ninety. Four ninety five. I seem to remember. Yeah bob leather bracelets. Barb wire tattoos. Jd tattoo like you would know what. What's these ganic yet. No tatics that's crazy to me that you don't have a touch. Would you get big panther. Or bob la around the bicep. Judge if you hit those are my choices. Anther for share. I'm not happy about either them. But your rockstars. Well jason that. You didn't get drunk one night in your rock band days and then get silly tattooed regret. Nobody is more surprised than me. The worst far where tattoos for the ones that don't go completely around the around. Yeah some some men. Just say. I don't like that sensitive spot on the inner part of my arm me so they get like three quarter for frigging reason. I'm sure james sharman goes on one hundred percent. He's got one hundred percent around any show. Yeah the sheep are getting out of his tattoos all right. I'm pick them results from last night. It was a rockets nuggets game. Denver was favored by seven. And a half. It was a pretty good line. We were split on this one task. I took denver to cover and they did a victory for task worth three in one tray and lee coming up on the wrong side of this when you guys had the rockets to cover so trey you're two and to lee you're three and one that's your i lost. You are human so still very early very close. Are we running this through to january guys. We didn't ultimately decide that. Yeah for sure. That's really a big big. Pick him a run here to deal with. So what's tonight's game because there's a lot of games on once again test while canada's team. Toronto still hasn't won so they go into philadelphia and the sixers coming off a loss where they got beat up by cleveland cavaliers their favored by two and a half points hosting the top a toronto raptors who you got philly minus two and a half toronto own go ahead. The rep is gonna get a w. here To run out Skates come on. You're taking the raptors. Not not feeling confident right now. Maybe this is a reverse jinx. Who knows i'm taking philadelphia. I'm taking philly to cover a two and a half. Obviously it's that's nothing really philly. I hope i'm wrong. I'll admit trae. I think that this is the whole reason. The raptors got aaron veins. The face off against joel embiid the raptors. Need that w and skeets as you hate to see. It gave me the toronto raptors. Wow task yeah. I'm with you. They don't have markelle soul the joel embiid stopper anymore but aaron baynes was a frigging good one when he was with the boston. Celtics against the sixers in those playoff series. So yeah i'm taking aron baynes the toronto rap. Wow okay i so you guys are all the wraps plus two and a half filly to win by three points or more Lee we know you won't be watching that game because also at seven o'clock it's lille new york knicks vs leila since cleveland cavalier teams in the league. Well i will be definitely watching the side of that one for sure. I've got to get my watch early here because cobra kai season. Three starts january first to netflix. Sarah i'm going to have to take a few days off to start the season. They can be probably in two days. Also but how can we makes her return to by the way who kimiko her. She was the love interest in karate to mita. She's back no word. Hit an alley. Elizabeth shue is is in season three. I'm wondering if we're going to get elizabeth shoeing hopes because god. I hope so. Yeah that'd be great. Maybe maybe andrew schule make an appearance on january first january. I was gonna start like a ago. 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April 12  Hour 1  Nuggets Worst Performance of the Season | UNC Bears Football Coaching Rumors Swirl

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April 12 Hour 1 Nuggets Worst Performance of the Season | UNC Bears Football Coaching Rumors Swirl

"Welcome relatives and monday afternoon northern colorado. And you're listening to the whole show power by pc energy on live from the auto collision specialist studios. I'm brady hall. Joined his always until. I'm not by the one and only colefax awesome joined by you so it doesn't join as always as never really works colfax. There's never an always in this world. There's never an always thought certain thoughts for today. Cortex is tomorrow. Tomorrow's the big day what's going on the big day the big day. Top text tuesday. Yeah wait for top. Talk text tuesday of course but there was a little bracket tournament challenge thingy that took place last month and we had our little side bet and Finished third and there's two guys above me and they their names were not colfax so that would lead me to believe that you have lost the whole show bracket challenge which is gonna plant you on the on the roof too. But i do hear good things like we're gonna go out for pizza afterward. Michael buying michael kirkpatrick backup producer. Extraordinaire i'm looking at the weather here and i'm not sure. How do we need to reschedule. Tomorrow's gonna be a little crazy. So i was thinking about that. We did put that in a caveat last week that if the weather was a little nutty we would take a look at something else so we. Can you know what we can do that. Just just because you're such a great sport about it and well to be real honest. We don't want to sign to get ruined. I don't wanna have to make that. Intern made that sign like three years ago. Put a lot of hard work into that gets ruined. Who else is going to make it. It's not going to happen right so only we don't want that sign to get wet or anything so let's let's just be careful with you of course but the time. Yeah well thank you for your concern. Because i have a feeling you'd wanna use the sign is like an umbrella at some point and and that would be bad so all right. Yeah fair enough for a nice sunday for gorgeous day. First vantage text line is nine seven four seven eight. Thirteen a one. You're new to the show takes to that man. I got some stuff today. I have some some juice. I have inside information all that. We're gonna talk about you in football. We're going to talk about the denver. Nuggets denver broncos. My game of the week is not a local game. So we're going to get to that. Mike malone who yesterday was was rough border line unacceptable. One oh five to eighty seven. And i say border line unacceptable colfax because if i say to you losing to the celtics one. Five to eighty seven is unacceptable. Will it happened. So you gotta get over. This is basketball. You move on tonight. You got to move on and you know if if you want to be the best team in the nba. You wanna win a title. You have to do a great teams. Do they learn from miserable performances and then they bounced back cr text line here already side chris. Please ask dempsey chris. Don't call me. Christopher dempsey outs tv. Next time you talk. What's the plan from. Mcgeer the nuggets resting saving him for playoffs or was this a bad pickup since joining the now gets his minutes are practically go chiefs That's a problem. that's a problem. The way he's using vilma mcgee or lack thereof yet even see jail in this one and you were outscored. Your bench was primarily outscored. But you were outscored team. Thirty one to eight in the fourth quarter. I got to tell you this is the game. Last night i'll i'll admit was probably their worst performance. Second half worst performance of the season. I got a lot of thoughts on mike malone and let's just go here mike malone was asked about whining he brought it up. He did say something about. Yeah we kinda got in this mode of wining and looking for the foul call. Mike malone was asked about that specifically about nicole yokich and what this did for the rest of the team. We're in the middle of six games. Nine days We play again tomorrow. Night weren't getting much traction So it's it's you're you're worried about this game also thinking about know what's coming around the corner have an regarding the cola. It's he gets frustrated with the referees. And what he perceives to be a lack of calls and you understand that but that can never take you away from your duty as a basketball player So that's something that he myself and all of us can definitely be better at but the most of the decision was just getting them out. We're still down by twelve points at that time Let's try something different. Ag at two five we can get an athlete big on the rim for small. obviously Didn't help nothing helps in that. Fourth quarter. yeah. Nothing's going to help you when you remove your best player with when you're down twelve. I mean that. I get where he's coming from jokers frustrated. It's like let's just be done with the stupid game sit down. Don't get pissed off. Don't get fine or anything like that But don't give me the whole. We wanted to try something different. He's the league's best player. So if you can't do it with him you ain't doing it with anybody else. As far as the magee thing acclaimed text in mcgee's not being saved. He's a veteran player. Locker room presence with three rings. He's not being saved but malone has to make a decision here paul millsap michael greensville mcgee those three guys. That are fighting for playoff time. And i gotta say this. The i like the old adage if it ain't broke don't fix it but jer michael green paul millsap. We kind of know what we're getting with those guys as a denver. Nugget wood jr avail. Mcgee listen chevelle. Mackenzie is as much as i say. The three the rings and all that stuff chevelle mcgee specialty player. He's high energy as far as getting the crowd involved. He's going to block shots. He's gonna rebound occasionally. He's going to surprise you with some nice scoring inside but he's not shooting outside loses. That millsap has that jamaica. Green has that so you have to be very careful. If you're willing to say je michael green maybe we should limit his minutes with limit. Pulsa millsaps minutes. Thanks but that out by goodness then you have to be ready to that. Was one of the perks right. The fact that they had been that can shoot the basketball except for mason plumlee. Well javale mcgee is mason plumlee only a little bit taller and longer and more of more of an ability to block shots. That's essentially what you're getting probably less as far as even a one on one player. Mcgee is kenneth for read on steroids. So i liked you veil mcgee. It wasn't a bad pickup. It was worth it. You didn't trade. You didn't do much to get him. it's he's a he's an insurance guy he's a he's a locker room presence but i get fans wanna see him more but you got to be careful because this team has really morphed into everybody can shoot the ball everybody can shoot the ball like hartenstein could not shoot the ball. They moved on from him. Javale mcgee is was was basically swapped out. That's your utility guy that you might need later down the road or on a matchup hits. Maybe a lakers matchup. But he's not going to be a big time presence. He's not going to be consistent presence. A game changer so to speak for the nuggets. I talked about the technical foul that mike malone had last week. And they seem to get the guys pumped up and listen. It's one game so we're not gonna freak out here. We've been catching it. More and more faint go to twitter during the nuggets game. I'm starting to wonder if the nuggets nuggets fan. You know me nuggets fan sounding a bunch of whiny every time down the floor. And here's the problem. what am i always said. That drives me crazy about offense in the nba offense and basketball. You go per shop but you're not going up for a shot. You're what are you doing trying to get a foul. You're trying to get foul called. You're driving and as soon as contacts made you throw it up. I tell me sound when they do that. Every time la nicoli. Okay got stuck in that habit yesterday a lot of times. I mean i've never seen him shoot that poorly inside. I'm always amazed at how many things he does. And how many shots he can make but there were times when these were fairly easy fairly routine shots for nicola yokich and he'd go up expecting a foul so he'd just throw the ball up in the air wouldn't get foul mr shah even really shot and the officials didn't bail them out. This is where mike malone getting ejected. I wonder okay. I thought it was good at thought. It was going to be like a momentum even more of a moment builder because they were hot. Is this something that's backfiring. Is this something that now mike malone is basically making it known that we're getting robbed each and every night i'm getting tired of it. Nicole yokich is getting fouled or but they're not calling anything well now. The players are starting to look for those fouls even more. So i've just noticed it specifically in particularly these last couple of weeks even during this run this joker went to the line. Seven times it's not like joel embiid. I'll admit the refs seem to not catch a lot of what nicole yokich does he. I don't know if he's helping case. I don't know if malone's helping case this is a habit that joker needs to break now today right now go play your game. The fouls will come play your game. Do not try to create. You can create contact but don't as soon as contact is getting close. Don't just throw it up in the air. So james harden does and it works for them. That's not nicole. Ioka game so i wanna be very very careful with that texture here. I don't see mcgee being a regular rotation player in the postseason. I i don't either. I really don't in fact i. I don't know how much we'll see. Paul millsap to be honest with his miniature decreasing. Now has a bad game. There's an awful game. Celtics are a playoff team. So it's not like he got embarrassed in the fourth. I like terrible team. They're going to be the boston's gonna be in the playoffs. This team just out physical denver. They frustrated everybody. The shots weren't falling. Michael porter. Jr. shots weren't there. He twenty two but it's still nine for twenty three. A lot of his damage came early. He's one for twelve one for twelve from three point. Land and still know jamal murray. So this is one of those games that you have to wash away. You can use it as a learner. I tech tweeted this last night and said hey maybe this is one of those nasty games that needed to happen for denver. Before we get into that you know the final final stretch of the season. Seventeen minutes after the hour colfax. Let's jump over to the good. The bad and the ugly presented by fm's bank banking made simple. Well the good for me. Harrison win talked about this with us. About how the nuggets were on such a great win streak and they really were that that whole road trip in the last few games that they put together it was it was phenomenal. Who's a hell of a run by this team and you have to be happy but The nuggets went on such a streak and did something that they haven't done since two thousand and thirteen yoga. Chaz she'll dribble drive in the lane poorer. Got a seventeen footer. Yokich in the lane hook shot yokich servings wide open. It's more importantly for the nuggets. Six seconds to go. Kill the johnsons on. The shot is crazy game. Two that was courtesy of altitude sports altitude. Tv michael porter jr. saves the game defensively. That was the spurs game on friday nuggets of now in that series. Isn't that streak. They won eight games in a row. It was their longest win. Streak of the nicola yokich era and it was their longest since two thousand thirteen all came to a crashing in on sunday. The bad starting the rockies at three and seven they got swept by the giants herrmann marquez. The pitcher for the rockies today here's dickerson dickerson high and the giants lead one nothing dickerson. Second ear comes. Evan longoria offshore to well. That was a rough outing. Marquez settled down later on. But i think he did. He throw like he threw like fifth. Almost fifty pitches in the first inning. That inning took seriously it took for ever in that game to get done with and you have to be pretty frustrated with the way marquez's started the season one. Okay performance to pretty rough performance. One of those was a win as tough tough start for the rocks now. Three and seven off today blaming dodgers tomorrow. That'll be fun as for the ugly. Yeah that's second half of the nuggets fossil behind the back and walker should ride this in. He does compa. Saw turned it over again and brown hollering. All the word barton norlander. They take it away man. That is just horrible sequence for the denver mind bad. Insult injury is kinda of cute back at high school. And you'd get ready for the froman you. I assure you got my girlfriend. Go the promise. She dumped shift right before. The and you realize. I shouldn't have taken for granted. And that's what the nuggets did the game. I love a good prom. Reference inside of an altitude tv broadcast way to go scott twenty minutes after the hour. Our power play sports poll question of the day which area college football coach most excited to see in a full slash real football season in twenty twenty one. Eddie mack. carl durell or steve adagio. We'll go read the results. Were also going to talk to the voice of the bears. Who was at that. Scrimmage on saturday against chadron state. On saturday afternoon get his thoughts and the rumor. Mill is churning colfax and we got some movement going on with the unc. Football's coaching staff. We'll talk about that and so much more next. It's the whole show powered by energy. Live from the article is specialist studios. Spring is in the air and that means high school baseball will decorate preps radio on thirteen ten kfi k. What's happening in your own. Backyard listened to no co- now with tanner's swint a northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi k walk. Some the lockdown broncos. Podcast the locked on nfl newark. Make sure you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfi key for the latest news in broncos country. Twenty five minutes after the hour. Welcome back to the show. The whole show powered by cdc energy were live from the auto collision specialist studios joining me. Now the voice of the unc basketball. Jason alvin jason scrimmage on saturday and i want to get into some specifics there but this was interesting. The rumor mill was churning on morning. We were hearing some that perhaps There were some changes going on with the coaching staff. The mccaffrey had parted ways with with a few guys on the offensive side of the ball. Then this of comes out football scoop dot com which i would say pretty reliable as they broke the mike. Bobo story a few years back for colorado state saying that ed mccaffrey parted ways with offensive coordinator dave baldwin. We've had on this show. Who was his receivers coach at stanford and they're running backs coach. Jason i again you were out there. The scrimmage discover these scrimmage so. I doubt that was a big topic of conversation because of the timing was so strange but have you heard anything on your end. Honestly i i have not guy i of like you said the rumor mill was buzzing on saturday You know obviously coach. Mccaffrey was back. They're calling plays he. He was very visible on the offensive side of the ball You know he's calling plays from behind the the offensive formation so he was down on field level you know making all the adjustments making the place But as you said that the rumor mill was churning and as you tweeted out football scoop pies dot com. Had that information and again look like to me. That mccaffrey was the guy Calling the shots there. Saturday afternoon and again. I know you can't speak too much on this. But this would be very interesting. Considering the fact jason. The the bears haven't played a real game. Yeah couple of scrimmage is under their belt but they didn't play in the fall opted out of the spring just to do a few scrimmages with fairly nearby teams such as the chadron state but this would be interesting considering the timing and also considering the relationship with coach. Mccaffrey and dave baldwin. That's the thing that this kind of surprises me. Is they go back so long. As as baldwin as you mentioned was mccaffrey has position. Coach in college there at stanford receivers coach and he's been around a lot of different places most notably and most recently oregon state up there and you know their relationship You know. Obviously i guess couldn't Can hold through on this. And then maybe they didn't see eye on some stuff but you know at the end of the day coach mccaffrey's the guy that got head coach on his office on his office door and he's got to make these tough decisions and again weird timing maybe but again maybe it does allow you to hire somebody coming off Maybe somebody that has played in the spring that you gotta you know i on or something. It's just weird. John weird right now because you have some teams playing in this spring you know formats and weaver state wins the quote unquote big sky championship for the fourth straight years. Even though there's a handful of teams that that didn't compete in the spring of cal poly opted out during during this time so everything is weird right now timing it certainly is ideal but it makes more sense to do it now at at the end of spring ball then wade into to get into august and also and you're like wow. This isn't working. Let's let's you know split ways and not also you're searching with With time the camp and you know three or four days before your home opener whatever the case may be a little bit more sense right now they just get it done. If it wasn't working now it'll be interesting to see again if more of that story comes out and of course who will be the running backs coach shore but the offensive coordinator. I know that's kind of the bigger talk. Especially because of the relationship jason. So we won't see. We won't see dylan mccaffrey mccaffrey until next year. So we got to see her till next season. I suppose so. We gotta to see the guys that were perhaps going to be the on the depth chart at least andrew. Brister her martin. Alec lewis sack rush. What what stood out to you on that quarterback side of things honestly. I thought all the quarterbacks had a really good days They were clean. They didn't turn the ball over which is huge in that position. They didn't force a lot of throws the one thing that maybe stood out that Each maybe missing opportunity on a deep all that would have been game changing type. Touchdown throws I in isn't that scrimmage against chadron state so that was maybe the one thing that you would have liked to have seen from from those guys as a little bit more consistency with the deep ball because they did have the receivers that were able to get a step on. You know the chadron state defensive backs and and you know. Obviously no surprise cassidy was in the journal. Morris to the transfer is that have brought in from akron and washington state They should be able to get a step on shattered defensive backs. I mean when you look at the competition that they're used to going up against and community scrimmage but those are places that have to be. There's no question about it. i i really like. Andrew brister his ability to push the ball downfield. He didn't play like a freshman. He was poisoned calm. And and obviously you know the lineage there with bubby brister venus father a guy that brazil instrumental in in the broncos super bowl runs there in the late nineties teammate. Of of mccaffrey's as well but he really at connor martin again was efficient and move the offense he was able to punch into the end zone and had a nice deep ball for a touchdown to any would so it was a good day for that quarterback room for sure no question they. They really impressed me now again. They're still going into next season. You know if it was to say the same. Obviously you get deal. Mccaffrey added to that room. But the guys that played on. Saturday have don't have a collegiate snap under their belt so With with that being said you know that's probably the reason why don't mccaffrey comes in and makes his mark and will compete for that job. And that's the keyword there jason. I'm glad you brought that up compete for that job. I talked to a few people back during the zoom call months ago. I guess when when it was announced the dill. Mccaffrey was transferring from michigan. The unc that maybe they would. They were hoped that coach. Mccaffrey would have spun it a little bit differently as as dylan was coming to compete for the job. Not necessarily it's his job to lose. Is it a full on competition. Do you think or is this a foregone conclusion. It's going to be dylan that you know where he was before. Plus who's the head coach. I mean is there really gonna be a competition the million dollar question brady and i mean you look at connemara. He's not going to go down without a fight. andrew bristol. He's he wants to compete. You know bill mccaffrey. With that with the accolade the top three hundred player. Coming out of high school with christian goes to michigan. Has some playing time. There has the experience coming in and with the obviously the the father son relationship. That house with that. Mccaffrey being the head coach. All all lines. And every all indications point to him starting but he's to go in there and compete and win again counter martin's the guy he's gonna compete doesn't want he wants to play football. These guys wanna play football. So i you know i. I don't necessarily know if it will be a competition per se but you can bet that kinda martin in those guys that are in the quarterback room right now are gonna back down from a competition with With mccaffrey jason was Was bubby brister out there. Andrew i know christian. Mccaffrey was out there. Pictures bubby out there to be was there. I didn't get a chance to to speak with bubby. Gave the head nod to christian as he walked by a couple of times but You know there there was definitely a good crowd out just for the scourge and a lot of chadron state family. As well showed up it was really exciting to see kind of the juice energy that the fan base had considering. This was kind of an awkward. Don't together at the last minute. Type scrimmage that that they were able to compete in Come out and so i. I was really intrigued and impressed by the fans that were there and obviously you do get some headliners when had mccaffrey has the coach there. There's gonna be a few connections that can be made to nfl pass and nfl. President as well jason. You a obviously when you were announced as being the voice of the bears have haven't done a football game yet but you do have a great history with the university of northern colorado What's it like for you personally. You set it. Going out there to a scrimmage felt like an event. I mean i. I wasn't out there. But i'm watching the videos. I'm watching everything via twitter and social media. And i'm thinking. Wow that's that's scrimmage seems a little more lively than perhaps a game the last five ten years having come back and again know being removed from northern colorado for five years and having been at montana state and and we came to to last year. When was that two thousand. Nineteen i guess would have been the last. Football games played between north dakota montana state. I really was impressed with what the support on saturday afternoon. I know people in this in this area in the northern carter will come out and they will support with a team that they get the w. on saturday so there there's no question about that and the past few years. Northern car has struggled to come by the ways of in the win column. And that's just an unfortunate fact and you know there is some excitement at mccaffrey does bring that extra juice So to speak as far as getting people out to. I mean there's going to be people that are intrigued. Did just wanna come walk ed. Mccaffrey coach like let's be real honest. There's going to be interested in that. And so i think the hype is there. I think the performance certainly from what we saw on was you know you know very very good considering it's been since two thousand nineteen he's guys have have really played any sort of football. I mean they had spring ball last year that was abbreviated because covert and they got three or four practices in before being shut down and they haven't been rewarded with a game since two thousand nine hundred and they play it was everything was live except the kicking game punts kickoffs an extra points everything was live and it was great to these guys get out there and bang heads and and get a different color jersey and it was. There was some excitement and again. I was very impressed for for mid april saturday. Afternoon of it The crowd that showed up to to support the jason i. This is almost impossible question to answer because we don't really know what a lot of these teams are going to look like in the conference as you said we were state but so many teams opted out. What what do you think. Do you see a instant improvement next season. The win loss call him. Do you see ed mccaffrey. And this group. Dilma mccaffrey whatever. It looks like a quarterback and just the fact that you have fans excited. Do you see an instant improvement in that win. Loss call next season. Well i think the one thing that coach mccaffrey has been able to do. It's been had the time to do is recruit a lot of guys that can play like you look at it and and erin. Were making the comment. You guys were making plays. And we're looking at the rosser. It's like oh transfer from cincinnati transfer from akron. You know and then you see cathy. Woods made a couple nice catches at one on a fourth down and a big touchdown cash. Transfer from washing so coach. Mccaffrey has had time to go out. And get some guys dropdown guys and with the way that the transfer portal is part of the college culture right now. I think he's done a fantastic job elevating the talent at northern todd. I do think there will be a an immediate change in the win loss. Call them an unfair to to earn call to. I think that the because mccaffrey's had the time to do it. This team looks a lot different than it did at the end of two thousand nineteen. Yeah if i would have told anybody a year and a half ago christian mccaffrey was going to be in greeley colorado watching a unc bear scrimmage. They would've thought i was crazy. Now you look at it. It's like holy cow christian. Mckay this is like you know it's The roll out the red carpet man. It's the star studded. So mccaffrey's got the star power. No question about it. And i think you're right. I mean it's beacon setting up for a lot of potential recruits looking right now and now's the time for the bears to capitalize one hundred percent. It program has been struggling. The opportunity for a lot of these guys to come play immediately is probably what stood out to them. Because you if you're buried on the depth chart at washington state or or akron or whatever the case may be. Tcu you get you get down. I saw it firsthand. Montana state a couple of different times with washington transfers. Big drop a couple of those guys. Down in in bryce turk and jason scrambles and those guys turned into all big sky performers. And so you'll bryce dirk was a guy. They didn't get a lot of run at university of washington. It comes down and instantly makes montana state. Better instantly makes their defensive line. Maybe one of the best in the country. And so i think there's a lot of these guys in especially with this receiving core. I saw a lot of a lot of promise with receiving core that i saw on saturday. They have the guys that are returning. I don't want to take away from the guys that are returning but you add those big frames on the outside of six hundred poor Piece on the outside then that allows some of these other guys. Jared mitchell sam fields to maybe get into that slot and create plays over the middle east and there were that were made and i loved it. It was one. It was great to be out perfect day for football but just to be out calling football again and And cnn played. It was fantastic. And yeah i know you and erin wrath put together some great clips and a great calls on our facebook page as you said it was kind of. I don't wanna say thrown together but it was. Everything was kind of like last minute so we had a couple of obligations on saturday. But we were able to get you guys out for a facebook live and a lot of updates. they're still available for folks a checkout so jason really appreciate that man. That was a great inside. Look that bears fans could get. Maybe they couldn't couldn't expect it to get any other time. Well exactly. I mean we late notice as you mentioned and so we did what we could do. We apologize is my first time. Facebook live on my own here and but wi fi was little body to the first time so we got kicked off and we went through my phone. And it overheated so there was definitely some Some points where we were figuring things out but we eventually made the switch to to errands. Hotspot on the phone and and move stream loosely. Through the the second half of that scrimmage but a lot of fun like we said a lot of fun out there calling football. And i am excited to see. Mccaffrey brings to the program. Not just you know the name recognition. But how he's able to match xs and os with a lot of these coaches jay hill over state and you look up at eastern washington a lot of these schools. That have the the tradition and everything rolling form right now. I'm excited to see what ed mccaffrey can do against these guys when it all comes down to it next fall. No question about jason appreciate you ban and loved your calls with basketball. But i'm really looking forward to hearing you on the football side of things next fall. As am i appreciate your time. And jason alvin the voice of the unc bears. And i gotta tell you colfax. I m very intrigued by this horrid aren't you. Isn't this a story. This whole ed. Mccaffrey thing is absolutely a story. That really has yet to be told. It's like the previews for the big time movies. The blockbuster movies that feels like it's been out for four years now and you're just seeing these previews what. I can't wait finally watch this. This is what it is with. Mccaffrey and it got a little more juicy after day ball. And here's the thing about baldwin. He's an older guy and he almost retired. When coach mccaffrey went back. Remember that we had baldwin had been here if we add them on the phone. I really can't even remember anymore because covid we haven't had any in studio guests for very long time. But i i remember talking to him and it kinda like. Hey you know. This is one of those opportunities. Coming back with mccaffrey with ed and i really like he was kind of done. He was ready to be done with football. So i wonder if it was more or less i'll i'll be there for the first year and we'll jump start this baby and then and then we'll i'll leave you to it but we didn't have that first year so i wonder if he got to the end and he's like man eightyish just too much. I don't know again. This is from football scoop dot com. And i know i tend to trust them and i had a big time source that i count on. Actually forward this story to me. So that's where. I got it and these guys have been right. Most of the time in fact. They broke the story about mike bobo. I don't know how they do it. I don't know who they have given him this information. It's quite. it's quite the impressive job that they do but that unc did move on from their offense coordinator. And they're running backs coach specifically dave baldwin with those ties. Mccaffrey that was at football scoop. Dot com forty two minutes after the hour. Colefax let's shut out of here. Let's get the latest on the local sports flash here mornings with gail weekdays. Six to nine and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi hi. i'm darren done director of athletics at the university of northern colorado. And you're listening to the whole show. Thirteen ten kfi k. A funeral and cremation service services as unique as life live. Well a plan ahead. Give scott robin or a member of their great staff. A call today talk to them about pre planning. It's an amazing gift. Nobody wants to have that discussion. Nobody wants to deal with that. But we're all going to have to so if you can. If you're in that position where you can sarah. I'm gonna take care of everything now and then put it away. We don't have to deal with it. And then when the worst case scenario happens which will your family. that's grieving. That moment won't have to worry about a lot of those ins and outs that comes with planning the funeral. That's mosier funeral and cremation service. First advantage text line nine seven four seven eight. Thirteen one we. You said something interesting during the break about mccaffrey. As far as a win loss record you just get this sense. Maybe that it's not for long. I don't think so man. I don't think you would take much for him to get a more lucrative job offer because of people looking at what he's brought already. Yeah to greeley like. We just did the math. There's eleven games this upcoming season. I one against the buffs. Wow if they win that game game day. I'm out of here guys. Good luck everybody. They'll impact yet things. We're going man. I don't know. I think like a five hundred record. And so if you're what if you're six five you think that's it then he'll get a call and he's gone very 'cause i mean that's possible because it's more than just as wins. I mean it's his. you know. The addition of wins from what we've seen over the past. They've won three two in college. Juniors last three years three and seven to nine to ten. So i mean even. That would be a huge achievement. But that record. Alone with ed mccaffrey's name attached to star power is what's plus what in again. jason said. I wasn't out there. Saturday but saturday was felt like a little festival kind of deal. I saw some people on twitter saying we need to do this every year and make it like a compared to like a broncos training camp. It's fun and there's maybe they could get live music before the game and get the beer garden. I don't know what all the rules are there but make it a hell of a thing then. I mean capitalize on it while you can hopefully build tradition now. And then joe schmoe comes into coach this team and you have it But this is why they hired him. This was the reason they hired him. Does the baldwin stuff scare you at all that this came out. This news came out pretty much the day of or day before. Night before the scrimmage you fire your offensive or they move on the agree to part ways with your offensive coordinator. Not not really strange timing but it figured before a game. It'd be really bad. But it's a scrimmage practice base. it's basically practice against another team. I mean there's going to be more to it coming out the running backs coach or if it would have just been running backs coach. Okay but the guy that you have this great relationship with the you kind of more or less convinced to come out of retirement. If i'm understanding at all correctly so that's it all came down to is like like you said earlier it'd be was done pretty much a mutual thing. Maybe he was like only going to do it for a year man. And i want you to get through the scrimmage without me and again i'm painting it positively. Hey through the scrimmaging and see what and again. This is football. Scoop dot com. This is not confirmed from. Unc's camp. i will say this. This is not confirmed from the university of northern colorado. I tried to confirm. I was not denied. Necessarily i wasn't told yes or no. I was told more will come out. And then i got football scoop story and put in two and two together. So yeah that's what it would seem anyway. Power to play sports. Poll question of the day is which coach. Are you more excited to see. You gotta see karl dorrell. You gotta see steve adagio but both in shorten seasons who you more excited to see what they full real schedule. Steve adagio ed mccaffrey. Or carl durell. Honestly i think it does you. I think he has the most upside for his organization and he has the most. I think you're taking the football pick. I like that. I respect that. I'm taking the people magazine. Pick ed mccaffrey. Mccaffrey like texas said. No there's no doubt it has to be has to be coach. Karl durell the coach be most excited about his drill down in boulder. Unc's irrelevant go. Ask ed mccaffrey. They're they're not relevant suck next year but they got ed. Mccaffrey is their head coach. It's exciting for now. See continues to lose to fps schools. The pac twelve is among the very best. Let's go buffs. I mean. I'm down to be excited for carl rochelle. Yeah but as far as the drama for healing to me so all right. So you're you're going. Yeah man we are blowing through Breaks today my goodness. It's good news. It's big news got unc football. We're talking about here my goodness and it's exciting to talk about it not lover and his collins junior. But there is. There's a sexy factor surrounding the university of northern colorado. And it's not just christian. Mccaffrey we'll be right back to the live united thirteen ten thousand by texting. Kf all caps two two six nine eight nine. Give up to one hundred dollars and you could win a sign. Pair of terrell davis cleese thursday april. Twenty second the power trip weekdays at eleven and thirteen ten. Kfi kay haigh lender men's basketball coach at the university of wyoming cowboys. And you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten jfk. Well that. If if if dave baldwin's gone. I do wonder who's going to be offense coordinator. Did you just bring in another name. Are we going to see another bronco from two thousand and from nineteen ninety-seven and we'll see rod smith come in the offensive coordinator. I got this new. But it's the this former. Unc coach to lead gateway high school. Football good for coach. He's getting another job at the high school side of things gateway high school in aurora school announced on tuesday good for coach earnest collins. Junior man he. He's a great guy. I was hoping he'd land. Not you know. I'm not gonna knock it but i was hoping he'd lands somewhere as positions coach with another college team or something and get a chance to get an different environment. Who knows but hey got. He got the job at gateway so good luck to ernest college. Junior great guy. We've loved having him on on the program. And by the way. If you guys missed my chat with ed mccaffrey. From last week. It's available to whole show dot com. Go podcast scroll down. You shall find second hour coming up. Broncos talk nuggets talk. Mike malone the color yokich that that sunday was rough. We'll talk about it next.

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Another HUGE Episode. Offseason Mailbag; Ranking the Free Agent Bigs; MIA/BOS Game 6, LAL/DEN Game 5

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Another HUGE Episode. Offseason Mailbag; Ranking the Free Agent Bigs; MIA/BOS Game 6, LAL/DEN Game 5

"I welcome on to our weekly free edition of dunked on typically on Sunday nights. Remind you of course to listen to hundred Dunkin which is coming up tomorrow but then we'll actually be moving to Thursdays after that. So we'll have to free things. Danny's got Jim Radio that's later in the week as well. So there's still three podcasts that were doing per week that are going to be free, Hollander, duck and just search hollinger in your podcast player Danny, obviously, GM radio you can search for that as well. Let's get right into it here little off season before we get. into the two most recent gains long long episode for You here, and I solicited a number of questions on twitter about the off season is going to be an off season mailbag. So why don't we get started here? Danny what are you WanNa talk about I? Well, it sounds like what people in the mail bag wants to talk about maybe that's because of one. This was posited he's Jeremy Grant and we got a lot of questions about him and we'll start i. think there's a good big picture one from Tuckey Tuckey given that he's proven be viable vendor for the. Bronze type and seems to be on his way to at least average offensive player. How much she thinks juergern is worth vacuum acknowledging that that might not be what he gets this off season 'cause everything's so weird and I still think he's probably going to be a lower usage offensive player but I do like grants defensive versatility. You know he can. He can be an on ball guy but also. He. I I like some originally grants appeal to me defensively was is a weak side played I think that he can do that as well depending on what the other team has. My instinct is kind of in the line of solid starter money and salt like from. So for me, that's fifteen to twenty, two, million probably per year would be kind of the range in a vacuum wendy two million. mean. If the way he's defended defended and he can be capable offense bars. The most interesting thing to be for that is doing more with the baldness hands in the Lakers series and basically the Lakers challenged him and yes, that's a small sample size I'm not saying that's Jeremy Greenwich Forever. But the idea of him being able to do more than be reluctant jump shooter is certainly a positive. But yeah, I could see I could see that Rachel being if here's the other big potential swing factor. For. German. If he's more of a defensively, if he's more of a wing than just a power forward, he becomes a much more valuable player because those wing sized forward defender like the guys who can defend the quietest type. That's that's a totally different selection like a smaller field and that's the group that gets paid that kind of money and it's also remember Jeremy Grants on the open market he's not on we're talking about here in a vacuum not what he's going to get off season because. I, think that's going to be dramatically less. Yeah. Certainly. So many pieces of uncertainty with grant but yet the fact that he could successfully play the three and yes, he's doing that next to the greatest offense of center in basketball with Nicole. Yokich. But he certainly has improved his three point shooting as less of a dip. He can get his release off a little bit batteries not shy about shing aimed more. He's also able to run the baseline gets them offense of rebounds finish very nicely around. The Rim maybe plays a role man if you have another stretch big so he's got some versatility shown civility attack closeouts at times in these playoffs to there are certainly questions about what his shooting is. GonNa look like on a higher by he's had a couple of years now shooting it in the high thirties, but the vitamins been lower but he played a lot of his minutes next to the Mason Plumlee and with the bench guys and he stepped in seamlessly as starter I got asked to. The NBA but I think it's worth elaborating here of just how I'm treating some of these bubble performances and I think I'm taking them with more of a grain of salt than I would typically playoff performance because they're just so many different factors and we don't know what the impact of is whether it's being able to not have to travel at all in having more energy whether it's having a better shooting background or the same shooting background every time whether it's lock or is it guys really worked on their game for four months who had a real off season during the hiatus and who Kinda you know just due to restrictions or just how comfortable they? Felt about being out was able to work on their. There's so many things that have changed and so I don't WanNa go too far in one direction or the other right because you could on the one hand you'd be like at this is a different environment like a small sample. We've seen these aberrations on the other hand because it's different you could be having more selection bias in actually noticing more supposed out liars and changes and dismissing them because you're looking for more operations. Now, the Miami heat making the finals and the Clippers Losing Denver. We'll all three months series losses naked thing. Yeah. Oh, it only ended up being too right? Yeah, I. Guess it did. But both involving Denver. and. Also, some teams not having nudie beforehand and maybe the bubble mentally there are some players who can deal with that better than others or some teams. They could do that better than others and that's not gonna be anything going forward. So really I think I really it's going to take for my personal evaluation and obviously with the twenty twenty agent, you can't necessarily look at this. But for my personal evaluation, if Jamal Murray say, for example, has an incredible start to next year and plays the same level for the first ten games then are I. Think I'm going a much more likely to buy it, but I can't go all in and so I have to Kinda discount this bubble. Performance a little bit here and then I guess the other thing you gotta look to any as these guys had an off season before this year or before these plates but now they're not necessarily going to have a full off season afterwards. So if you're going to say Oh this guy is twenty four, this Guy Twenty six, how good he's going to be next year twenty, seven maybe he doesn't see the same level of increase that he normally would between this bubble season and the beginning of next season they're just so many things to consider that I'm really sort of gun shy about counting these who knows maybe next season we'll start enough that they get another offseason might be like. It could end up happening. I An. Here's another way that I and this is something I think went. And Yours, I believe you feel this way because that's how we are analysts is the difference between kind of fundamentals and results. So Jamal Murray shooting. Yes I don't expect him we that that came up on don prime recently I went through his series by series shooting numbers during the bubble which were ridiculous and it was over forty percent in the playoffs. Yeah that's I. Don't I don't think that's GonNa Continue. But if you WANNA use drama like The way that he was using handle to get himself open and some of the moves that he was using and wrongfooting guys those are building blocks that are going away now maybe teams get more used to it maybe he's not he's not wrong footing guys as much next year, but that's really where I'm looking and that's so for Jeremy Grant Getting back to the original question, his capacity to Thursday original question what I mean like ten minutes ago. Is like the is that his capacity to defend those wings isn't really going anywhere now maybe outside of the bubble. Leonard was great but I mean he did a pretty good job on Lebron while I didn't think he did a great job on Anthony. Davis. But why the hell would you expect him to and so yeah, I think there's a lot with with these plate with various players that we will take forward and maybe it's you know smaller degrees on the overall. But that's why you know like for me with grant I have been intrigued by his potential before but he is a he is a I have a clear vision of what he could be now could be an is our to dramatically different things and Denver's probably GONNA benefit that they're. GonNa they're not GONNA have to pay for the could be part they're going to get more. The is just because of the way the market works out on but that's how I wanNA actually pivot this to you. So let's say my valuations right and I think yours is probably a little lower than not Jeremy. Grant has a player option and this year tepid market Dr only five teams that have caps face. I don't even know how many of them are going to be interested in grant at the kind of numbers that I was just throwing out there. How big of a swing do you think it would be for him to opt in? And basically eat some of that could be leveraged because remember they could the nuggets great could agree to an extension before the end of next season like that is something that could happen as well to basically say, I wanNA bet on myself and be a smaller fish. But in a dramatically bigger, you think a lot of that kind of depends on what the plan is for Denver to if the plan is, let's start him at the three star Michael. Porter, Jr. at the four and and I did grant can look pretty good with offensively. That's the biggest thing right if you're talking about him as a combo forward maybe maybe not versus this. Guys are starting three and Oh, by the way, he's got enough size to guard the biggest wings on the team. Effectively, that is a tremendously valuable player, and perhaps I'm anchoring too closely to what the conception of grant had been before, and you know that player option for nine million or so right around the mid level exception and extension could only started one hundred and twenty percent of what he's making now. So that seems you know I think now Denver would have bird rights on him and so they can pay him more but there isn't really an number of great suitors outside him. Maybe Atlanta actually could take a look at him A. Having is as an iffy shooter, you know if you WANNA bring him to be a starting three that's a little bit of a question mark Phoenix is on that another questioner said, maybe they could go for him as younger exactly twenty six to, and that's the other really nice thing about him that Phoenix go there instead of you know your millsaps gallantly or something like that and play him next to De'andre aiden and. Mikhail bridges and Jeremy Grant could all of a sudden be very, very nice. Defensive Front Court. Yeah. Maybe a team like Phoenix is GonNa go hi and pay him fifteen million Isaiah team like Phoenix I. Mean. Is there any other suitor out there that you see for him day? I don't think Charlotte is the right place and Detroit. One of the worst. The worst things for grant is that two of the teams was cap space just aren't close enough and maybe cup check is optimistic and just goes where we're closer with either. But I don't I don't particularly think so I mean there only five or so teams that can really get there and also remember yes, it's true that usually talent finds a way and you could if the nuggets don't. Want to sign and trade him. He could finagle it but there aren't that many teams that are going to easily be able to clear cap straits the some reader especially with the likely lowering due to cove it like I think that if that leverage largely comes from him being free agent and twenty one. So yeah, I don't really see anybody else. That's a clearcut if what he wants to maximize his out. Okay. Let's. Yeah. So so my my prediction is going to opt out and I think he's GonNa get like forty five to fifty million guaranteed. That's what I I think you're right and I think I think that will it's not a mistake because it is just your tolerance for risk but I think that will that will be significantly less than he could emphasis on could have gotten on the two thousand twenty market I wanted to do this question. Oh. What one more thing to just Denver. Shooter for him. Particularly, if millsaps leaves and if you take away all the guys they have is free agents they've got about thirty million dollars under the tax. So a fifteen of that goes to grant, and then you know maybe millsap would want to come back. But I, think I think he's probably GonNa look for pastures where he could still get more playing time maybe plumlee would come back on something like you know a five million a year deal as a backup center or more because. Aged Smart Bartlestein than the nuggets just pay guys but it. 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So please take it away says questions from at Hobby Calvin what is the biggest free agency storyline nobody is talking about and I've hit this a couple times in my off-season previews for the Athletic and it's good to come up Dallas is not yet out and I think I'm going to try to hammer this home in. There's which is this idea that there is this kind of easily understood truism that it's like if you want to not if you want to have available money in future year, just don't spend money don't commit long-term celery and that's totally that's totally reasonable way to do it and you know the there will be there will also be teams that use that as cover. will say. Oh. We're we WANNA keep things into we want to keep things for twenty one. So we don't do that however I. think that given the really weak market this year there is a group of teams headed by The Dallas Mavericks and Miami could end up in this boat. Through bird rights where spending on contracts that become that or become positive value actually is the better decision because one, it makes you better in the immediate and especially if the part of the goal is to be so you're saying Dallas and Miami should give out want no no I'm saying Dallas Shit I shouldn't have brought in Miami that's going. To confuse. The. Dallas should because here's the idea of spending would say nine million on on somebody on somebody this off season who will make you better for next season. Now, it is a risk because you might have to theoretically offloaded but also remember that wants the league gets back to normal. It's very hard to ridiculously overpay at that kind of money. That you're not gonNA get into a Chandler Parsons or a Nick Batumi situation because you can't pay a guy more than about ten million like that nobody like there are a lot of teams that don't have that capacity unless you have cap space and so I think Dallas is probably I've tried to think of the other like twenty twenty one maybe. New Orleans could potentially be in this boat depending on how I don't know how different from wants to structure books, but basically, these teams that are going to value their twenty two thousand one space. Sure. Absolutely. But you might be better off spending committing something that you can eventually get off to be better and potentially even create a piece of value. Yes. It's Certainly a risk there where if that player gets injured or something and you're doused, you may not be able to create the cap space that you want. But certainly, if it's a smaller contract, you know ten million or under the net I understand where you're coming from I'm not sure whether I can give you something that we haven't discussed before or no one else is discussed before but these are my general thoughts and how it's going. To Go I think this is GonNa be like two, thousand, eighteen offseason but even worse with just one year deals again, it seems like we're on this cycle of where you have big free agent years why twenty eighteen nothing happened twenty nineteen regent year twenty nothing happens particularly due to the economic uncertainty and the insert evaluating players and teams based on what happened in the bubble and the fact that there aren't really any superstar players seem like they're. Going to be available this summer in trade, and so I think that very little it's going to happen. There'll be some one year deals that get signed I. Don't see that many teams making moves this summer to open up more space for twenty, twenty one, and then at the twenty twenty, one trade deadline is when the fireworks are really going to start where t know a team like Houston maybe if they're just totally flattering, they could break everything. Up or Washington Wooden John Wall comes back there clearly not gonNA. Make the playoffs and then maybe they could move on Brad beal is just I think everyone is feeling like they just don't have enough information to do anything right now and there could be a first mover advantage as you had kind of reference they're both in terms of trades and in terms of free agent contracts if you're willing to go more than a year but historically, I Just kind of a hurting and conservatism with that kind of stuff. So that's the biggest thing that I would point to the big trend I have to more than one is players that have specific internal leverage but not external. So to me the two headliners here, contagious caldwell-pope Joe Harris both of those guys their team has the capacity to resign them, but it's Also hard to imagine the really drumming up as serious market. So how far are those teams with deep pockets, the nets and the Lakers who have lofty aspirations for twenty one for twenty twenty, slash twenty-one how how far they're going to go and then the other huge one to me and this gets into your twenty twenty one traded line, which is what made. Me Think of it as this avalanche of pending free agents who are uncertain whether they're going to stay on their current teams or not. So Victor Oladipo jrue holiday Josh Richardson May Be Conley I. Think he's kind of because he's older he's in a different camp does any does their become any clarity on any of those situations? Does it lead teams to to? Go in different directions because usually you would say if if you have a good player and you think that he's going to leave then unless you're like a serious contender, you're probably not going to let them go and get nothing for them. But those teams you know the Pelicans and the Pacers are in different situations and I'm really wondering I don't know whether. That's going to be off season storyline or whether that's GonNa being in-season storyline because it could be either could be both. But I think that's going to be the other thing that really rocks the league and I don't think it's going to be a wire, Paul George or anything like that. But the depot drew holiday class could have some real movers and because. Those players by going to really good team. No, you make a great point there I mean there's so many because twenty twenty was a crappy free agent class than they're worth that many of those players at the two thousand twenty trade line. Now there are because it's a good free agent class in twenty twenty one are you want to go next here we? Can Do this one from at stonecutters seven. If you're a team that needs a stopper big wing type, but only has the mid level who is the guy you're taking a chance on an it is very difficult because those players aren't available very often and when they're when they're available, they cost more money than that but if I had to roll the dice. On Somebody I. Think I would dude on dirt dirtyjohn sooner he's an imperfect player, but he's a phenomenal athlete and he's not really the same like big wingstop brings not physically strong enough. But I think I think that he's maybe the best shot at it. If somebody WHO's actually available. Yeah and he's got enough link athleticism he's GonNa get stronger as well that you. Switched Onto Pascal Siachen at the end of games and did find on him. You know we haven't seen him try to guard Lebron James Plasters. Maybe we'll. We'll get to find that out in a little bit but yeah, I mean who? Who are are other options here I mean there's Jae crowder. There's Glen Robinson the third there's Jeremy Grant. Morris but granted more SURPRI out of that price range yet craig twenty nine already I mean that's not really amazing. He's restricted as well. Marcus isn't really that kind of Guy Yeah I mean he's I think he's GonNa. Come to mind I'm sorry I think heartless is going to get underpaid but we talked about the little bit the forwards. Yeah. But I mean, there's semi Oh Jill. if if they declined the team option yeah, there's not a lot out there a and then for two guards who are not as good of a defensive group, you've Casey Pe- as Justin Holiday Wes, Matthews it some of those guys can play up a little bit in the right match up a carrot temple is up there too. But yeah, I mean it just because he's young and he's the only one of these guys that it's really a good enough athlete where you he could truly be elite. Take the chance, and even if he can't shoot, you can get to some lineups where he can be the roll man. especially if you have any kind of a stretch big from Michael Zanetti's the best player the bucks could sign for the mid level exception. My first thought is wes matthews. Well. He's not GonNa take up that much though yeah. But I'm just thinking about who could reasonably who could reasonably do so I think West Matthews I mean if he has, you know if he has struthers, he could ask for more than the non rights number off the minimum is pretty soft. It I. mean there aren't because remember and remember if matthews doesn't come back then the bucks need replacement starter and that could be done to. Of course, he had. He had some strong moments this year. I mean. So yeah, let's talk about whether they can even use the mid level I. They've got let's say, Robin Lopez ops in let's say they cut Ersan Ilyasova. Guarantees two days after the twenty twenty drafts. So there to make a decision I am very quickly So you basically have to have a deal done at the draft or you know maybe they can come up with a an agreement to push that back for him a little bit but you know they might need him in trade maybe they would just allow him to guaranteed just so they can have some trade powder for later but let's say they move on from him. You get someone better than him. For the mid level Wes Matthews. OPS Out. They don't give surly Brana qualifying offer and don't bring him back that gives them fifteen point eight, million blow the Apron by my calculations again, you know we don't know exactly the cat's going to be, but that's the best estimate if the caps the same as last year. So yeah, you could probably use your full mid-level exception there. Now, you're going to be, of course into the tax of assured honest that they will pay the tax and you know I. Could see using the full mid level exception as a great excuse to not have to like seriously go into the tax the find they'll pay five million tax like that's not shit. You know but they can technically say that they went into the tax. So maybe they could so so they assuming they have the full mid-level just wanted to lay out their situation before we get into. So being there a couple of different ways that you can think about it would be nice to have another guy who Could who could initiate half court offense that you know. So in case, things aren't working out what's this, and that is one of the weakest points in this class because you can't get the top guys for mid level exception money. That's that's virtually assured even as the bucks. So then like so from that perspective of people who could theoretically building price range, you're talking more the Augustine teague Reggie Jackson Tier I don't think those guys are worth that especially not for the bucks then on the wing, I, mean westbound. What Parkson sure bricks could be a possibility. But first of all I think West Matthews is significantly better player than Alex Pro and then Alec burks. Yeah. It's really only worth it to me to spend that if you're the box if you are and not guarantee you. So 'cause they guarantee Ilyasova then they're done for the the film it's it's to be someone who can plausibly be in your closing lineup is that Jordan Clarkson probably not I mean now they could throw a deal at Gowran drug. They could go much like the Lakers that could go like try to do full mid level for three or four years that drag it and the heat aren't GonNa WanNa do a number of years for drug it. So maybe they could trump a one year offer from the heat he'd had plenty of room to below the tax. To bring back drug and crowder. So I'd imagine that he could just go high enough on a one year deal that drug would want to just say there particularly because you know they're just made the NBA finals in the bus and it's Miami instead of Milwaukee and I mean I'm sure there'd be interest in marquette product, Jae crowder but his you know his overall limitation shooting bubble notwithstanding. And I I don't know that he that he is a great fit for their. So I being where with the idea there'd be that. He kind of Marvin Williams types you close with him in the US. At the foreign the five. Yeah. I guess that's the idea I don't love Jerry Jones junior their Jira three would be potentially worth gets there I don't think. He's worth the full mid level I think he again at, they're gonna who I'm confident is going to get underpaid just because you and I like him more and he hasn't whenever guys taken as little as he has. You generally Seco that way. Do you think there will be I don't think you would take it but you do make a call to gala Nari. Sure. Yeah. If you get him for that of course, but I I, don't I imagine Gallo, we'll have more lucrative offers than that east kind of a warm weather guy as well. Let's let's to speed up here. Let's get into a few other of these questions here From England which player from the bubble will be overpaid from their performance. So we were saying that the bubble essentially is not representative going for it could. Be on a one year deal drug, which is a pretty clear possibility I mean especially for. You this is the kind of a perfect sample for him. You know like doesn't short short term didn't have to put all the didn't have to put all the work in Dwight Howard? Yeah. He's just not going to get that much regardless as a center I. Don't think it's going to be Jerry. Jones Junior. What about Dirk White on an extension Oh, that could be I was thinking of somebody on the sons and that's kind of parallel I'm high on white to be clear and I think that the aggressively showed shooting the ball for the spurs was very encouraging but if that were to disappear, he gets paid on what he was in the bubble and what they think. He's GonNa be going forth. The other thing too is that if they're giving him an extension assuming that like he's going to have the growth that he would have if you twenty three but he's twenty six now that could that could be an issue but the spurs have a very, very clean cap sheet going forward. And they develop guys and they wanNA, feel like they're continue to build for the future. So it does seem like a little bit of a recipe for him to get more. But on the other hand, the market is pretty crappy so that to depress things regardless of some of those factors I talked about, but he's he's a guy who could be regression can even though I hired him I'm trying to think if there are any players who are kind of on the because I. Think. That's an interesting call which white about players who are kind of on the lower end who could see significant bump even though it's not to a significant salary and there just aren't that many free. Rondo. That's good call. Yeah. I could absolutely see that with the Lakers or elsewhere. Yeah, and Vanfleet. It's a question of like what kind of a team it is I mean if he comes to the Knicks and he's making over twenty million year, people are going to be like what the hell like this guy isn't the point guard that we've always wanted who's running a bunch of pick and roll like if he goes to the wrong place where they're asking him to do too much offensively then I think he could end up being perceived as overpaid even though it's the same player they always were. From option zero. How does? MIAMI. Go to keep crowder if they have is on twenty, twenty, one I don't think they offer. Jae Crowder, any significant guaranteed money beyond next season. So it's the Same Question Gordon Job Hal higher they willing to go with bird rights. On a one year deal to keep him around. Yeah and they've got plenty of room to do that as we talked about below the tax for next year they got forty four million bucks. That's even if it's only one year deals that's plenty I. think that's probably enough to even back Jones junior drug edge and crowder you would think Question from tickle men twenty who are the biggest. Oh actually. Sorry. I, want to do this. When I from user generated, we'll do that one next. A will there be a premium on bubble free agents compared to non bubble fridges given the long layoff for teams down the bubble I think mostly no, I mean those the nonverbal players haven't had a chance to prove themselves, but I don't think that's GonNa hurt like for tons necessarily some of those guys but on the margins. Yeah. I think there could be so like if we're talking mid level and below. The I think those players, it's a little bit outta sight Outta mind that could end up really hurting them Wayne Elton type mows the next one that you wanted to do. So the was the from from took them and twenty who are the biggest bubble free agent winners losers the players who've done the most to help or hurt their. They're Frisia stock and I mean in your grant probably would have been high on that list. Could do that. Did you know have this but it's such a weird year. The Guy wanted to ask about the guy that was interested in questions. Do you think Marcus Morris is market changed at all? I. Mean the Clippers didn't he he wasn't great in there. Put also like he has a another guy who has very specific leverage because the clippers can't replace you do wonder what the other suitor for him is. Another one of these internal versus external leverage situations he's back to Phoenix. May the next good time again to a one year of fifteen million dollar deal and then trade him at the deadline to developers again. While, the clippers don't already picks. That they can turn right now is the problem. So yeah, that's industry may maybe instead of eighteen is going to get thirteen now or fourteen maybe that's possible. And in that same vein planet, Foam Oh. Asks knowing what we now know now about the Clippers Holiday Lakers clippers western conference finals have turned out something we've seen from the Lakers is that generally they've done a much better job figuring out their opposing. Opponents offense over the course of a series and they've done a better job. That's incidentally something I thought the nuggets did well against the clippers as well and I think that could have potentially benefactor we saw. But but one thing that I think would have been a challenge for the Lakers in that series is I think the clippers at at moments would bet would be to been a more concerted effort to have their support players have the Lakers support players, beat them, and I think that's something. The nuggets should have done more and I, think I think could have gone that direction. Also, they have not that anybody has perfect personnel but think they have better personnel to slow down the leaker stars and that was wide you and I were both thinking that the doug real trouble in the series after game six, even at the clippers in one game seven was probably GonNa pick the Lakers in six at that point if the season had gone as normal I, think the clippers would. Have, beaten him the Lakers looked better in the bubble the clippers looked worse day and they just had all these issues. I mean, we're herald so bad Lou Williams would have been a massive defense of liability and we thought that the clippers doubt would be huge. We thought that they would have an answer for why the Lakers wouldn't and that they had a lot options to put on Lebron whereas the Lakers didn't have anybody to guard Paul Georgia as well and Lebron would get tired. Out By, having to guard one of those guys and those things would have been true to some extent. I. Think now if the clippers could have just beaten Denver in game five and they weren't fatigued than maybe but we also saw just the clippers were not in amazing shape. So I think it probably would have been Lakers in six had they met in the bubble? Yeah. That's fair. Especially because like I mean it's not like mantras Harrow was getting significantly better physically over the course that. To make you think that another, give him another two weeks and he'll he'll be told me five all it's to a couple more here, and then actually GonNa say the rest of these for my pod with Hollinger we can talk about the free agent big before we talk about the game show where should we did this one from colder Argh a lot. Of Sign and trades last year is that going to be the case this season as well or was that anomaly in white and I think it was an anomaly relative to twenty twenty because there aren't that many players where the the situation Ibiza couple of different times the data sign and trade one is as a mechanism for you know like a restricted. Free agent or something like that. You can think about the de Ngelo Russell archetype here. There aren't that many restricted free agent that I think are going to really change teams this year that a lot of times it's could be squeezing leverage because there are fewer suitors all that type of stuff in the other type word happens is where there's a talented. Free agent, but that team can't make it work, and this is the Jimmy Butler idea and there just aren't that many. There aren't players that are worth. It'd be the Anthony Davis obviously would be, but it doesn't seem like he's going anywhere and so I think that those two not being there in the other big part is that a sign and trade when Every team in the league is over the CAP. It gets more, which is still a complicated, not only because of the hard cap, but because a lot of these teams are trying to cut money and. Trade. You're generally adding money. So it's of to your long-term books to your short-term folks. It depends on the circumstance. So I don't think we're GONNA see as much of this year it could make a return in twenty one but I, think that really depends on where the best players WanNa go. Yeah and also just the lack of wiggle room under the tax and the Apron for a lot of teams with the CAP just being a. Little bit lower teams not having money, and there's also no one out there. It seems like there aren't that many big trade exceptions either and one of the teams that has the big one, the warriors they can't get inside and trade because they're going to be over the apron anyway, and so there aren't that many players who it's really worth moving heaven and earth to try and get either. So I I do think it will be. Fewer because you think about it right like the only as you're gonNA use as a sign and trade for his guys who are making above the mid level exception otherwise, you would just use your mid-level exception to get those players the unless you also wanted to use your mid level as well, and you want to give up an asset to trade a salary didn't want to get the guy that gets a little bit more confusing. 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I know you know that but our listeners may not remember we break things down into superstar star starter rotation and fringe, and of course, we look at the unrestricted free agents and there should to free agents know superstars no stars you're absolutely, and so that gets us into the starter range and generally unless it's an old guy, I think of a starter as a guy who you're comfortable bringing in and committing enough of a contract to you think of this player as your long-term starter. And I I guess I have this is interesting to say it will let me ask you this I wanna get your opinion. You see what my ranking is who is the best free agent big on the market the one whom you if you had a blank slate would offer. The most guaranteed money to it might be favors yet he he's the guy who might be really undervalued based on the bubble. He looked awful and but at twenty eight, he's got a lot of injury issues. A lot of mileage is past knee issues back issues it just seems like they continue to pop up playing at his absolute best you look favors over surgery. I, mean, no I think I'd probably go baca one favors to. Because Baca. Can space the floor he can be we we've seen him work in a variety of successful defense, but I like about Derrick favors is the idea of him as a plug and play member of a competent defense. But so Ibaka versatility helps see I. Think I'd go back and one favors to. Pocket Number One as well and I mean despite the fact that he's Thirty Dirk Fares Twenty eight vodka meet looks like younger more spry. The Derrick favors does and as fewer injury issues and as a shooter I think he can. Better favors does have that ability as a roll man but that really seems to have waned and play lot of minutes Zayn Williamson as well. It's not perfect setup for him. The other guys that I have in the starter category under German as a player option at age twenty six, he's can opt into that twenty million you got thirty five year old Markelle sole. Old. Machos Herrell and twenty four year old Christian would anything you want to comment on with any of those players I really like Christner would I've been I he has potential as being a big they can protect the rim and space the floor not that he has done a great job of either of those particularly throughout his crews also bounced around a lot which can be an indicator of other things and but if I if I were thinking in the idea of like, okay, this player is going to be a starter in my team's going to be competitive I and I know I'm in. The minority here I would rather pay Christian with the mantras herald because with Harrell. Defense limitations and they're going nowhere like those those those are a problem with senators. Yes. If you're in a coal Yokich, if you're Karl Anthony towns, you could make it work I. Don't think Carol's at that level, and so I think that he will be useful and in the right circumstance that could be the clippers could be somewhere else. You can be a valued part of your tation totally find that he wants expanded the year this year but I would rather roll the dice on Christian would then the. The expected value for me is is just slightly yeah you know I. Think the thing that he has a great skill that you didn't mention is his great finishing around the river as well. So he's got the versatility space the floor ICAN running in transition transitioning. He's a very, very good offensive center and the question is, can he really defend on on a real team? He's just played basically all of his minutes in his career in pretty much non-competitive situations and he's been in competitive situations and not played like on the bucks, right? Yeah. But. He was brought in as a flyer for the bucks obviously in the New Orleans last year a backup for Detroit team that had some aspirations at the start of the year. But when he really started going crazy but to some of the particularly, the offense metrics for him are really really good and I definitely be better defensively than Montross Sarah can although in terms of his execution, definitely thin going against the largest centers he's up. He's not a great option and probably a guy who fits better on a team like say Detroit that isn't as good of a team and just needs some offense from a position and if he's not amazing defensively in the playoffs then so be it. So here's here's my question with I mean I've been saying would to the Hornets for Awhile Charlotte and it's complicated also because mantras from from North Carolina if you were if you had the GM job there and you had the opportunity, you know this is Then you could say I don't WanNA spend on those guys would you rather have would or would you rather have here I? Think just about every situation, I probably would pick widow twenty six younger than a lot of free agents, unrestricted free agents but particularly after his bed believes Zach and continue to be that bad. But just as an undersized getting, I think we've probably already seen the best. He's not going to really develop a jump shot the usually the skill things they can really help you improve as you're older, maybe could get a little better as a passer but as a DVD second. Improve as defensive rebounder probably not gonNA improve as a switch guy as I can improve his help instincts that much. So and I think would just you're probably going to get better value there as well on gazillion. We've talked about many times. It seems like there's very little buzz about them at least as of now maybe that'll change. But the idea of them going back to Toronto on one year deals that are pretty lucrative the also another nice thing for them to if they do that, they would have the ability to block a trade which they might want to the they might want. To market goes back to spin. It seems early for that because of how much you can get payment I can see him. Tribute to a potential title team. It's not like he's August choosing between the minimum on a bad team and and going somewhere else, and so would he want to go to another team for mid level or the taxpayer mid level just something more permanent maybe a bigger role where he's assured of starting as opposed to worry Baca is always going to be there as well in Toronto maybe but it may also really like the championship there I'll say it really comes down to just what those guys want which we don't have a great understanding at this point. So that's that's everyone I have in my starter group well, I think that's an. Interesting Bridge Point to the next trip because the next group has a lot of players that have had big roles and made a lot of money in their careers and aren't necessarily like Super Old. Tristan Thompson Age twenty nine. This I think was July first of two thousand twenty s when these were in Hassan whiteside thirty one, Mason plumlee thirty I'm sure a lot of these guys nerlens Noel Twenty six damarcus is different because of the injuries demarcus cousins twenty, nine that they think, hey, you know like I've not like I'm the guy that I was when I signed those big contracts but I think the market. has just totally evaporated for all. There's talk that Thomson I think he might get the biggest deal here because he could just go back to with bird reds he did not want to do a buyout for that reason, he wanted to retain his bird rights in Cleveland might be another sign and trade candidate perhaps the depending on a team really likes and he had a bounce back year he did war offensively than he had a good offensive rebound doesn't really protect the Rim at age twenty nine and I'm not sure if he can really be a switch guy anymore the way he was three four years. Ago But I like him the best out of these guys and you could see him being brought in enclosing some games. The obviously has plenty of experience, and then there's kind of two categories in this one is will sign you to be our starting center who's not gonNA close the game, and then you also have guys who are really kind of more specialised backup center guys. But I see these guys all kind of be being in. You know below the full mid-level exception my maybe some of these guys get the mid level for like a year or two bodyman see that I see almost all of these. Million guaranteed money. You're less over like a two year period If you're just talking about, let me ask you this. If you wanted to just sign one of these guys for just for next year only who would you be most interested in who can help your team? The most it would depend on the team but my my first call of the earned Baynes. Yeah. The only concern at thirty three for him is just he struggled so much to stay healthy. Whenever, he would get it rolling. Three point shooting is really cool and who knows whether that's going to stick around for him but and he could get to the point where a pick and roll defender. He's just no longer viable defensively and but he's always he's got like a hip issue or an ankle issue or you're the last two years he really struggled to stand the obviously covid nineteen as well. Hopefully recovered from that but he didn't play at all even in the bubble for the sun. So hopefully, it's nothing to major in that respect who would you look at all? These guys Baynes might have been the most effective last year I actually think it might go with thirty four year olds, White Howard he's. Which I think is is a good one is that this doesn't look like prime to our but this looks like what thirty four year old Dwight Howard would have looked like without significant injuries that have played his last couple of years. Yeah. He's really gotten into better shape. He's moving is still one of the more mobile centers even at thirty four right now he can play different pick and roll coverages. He's a relentless offensive rebounder. He runs the floor hard and he's probably not going to close games but I think he could be a totally good starting center for you and play twenty or twenty five minutes a game. Shouli archetypes. Yeah. I mean he's been floated as someone maybe for the warriors that they could go after with the mid level for like one year, the taxpayer mid level I think he actually would be a decent fit there in who is not a Greek decision maker necessarily on the perimeter throwing passes which they they need a little in their system but he can go up and get some dogs commit offensive rebounding element there. Now, he may not say healthy may not have the same attitude. He may not come in the same shape the Lakers maybe they would break into their mid level to bring him back potentially but I mean Just for next year, which is I think for most of these guys are looking at mostly one year deals anyway. So the idea of guys twenty nine versus this guy is thirty four doesn't matter as much as I don't see these guys long-term deals. Well, along that note, I think the you lack of long-term deals is going to lead a lot of these big men to picking up their player options I mean that's a no brainer for Kallio because is the richest of this group but phanor? Javale McGee Related Lopez, Willie, Cauley Stein like I. Think all of those players should and knowing what we know right now pick up their playoff. Willie call sign opted out of the bubble. It seemed like the handwriting on the wall there McGee four million. Yeah. Hard to see him exceeding that necessarily cancer same thing Robin Lopez would imagine they want him to stick around and play with his brother. He'd want to play the role. He could be a trade candidate and probably if I had to rank, maybe somebody'll be seduced by his son whiteside and his numbers I mean, so Hassan whiteside in this year. Average fifteen and a half points thirteen and a half rebounds as the starting center for the Portland Trailblazers and lead the NBA in block shots him. Yeah. So maybe there's someone would be seduced by that I hope it's a playoff team and he's also on the guy who struggled to stay healthy a little bit thirty, one older than you think because it took him so long to establish his. So if I had to rank these guys in terms of the Monterey. Probably put Tristan Thompson because he's the youngest of these players, he has the championship pedigree as the guy who's going to get the most money probably whiteside to and maybe plumlee three just because he's going to go back to Denver and they're just GonNa, pay him because they love them. They're irrationally. I think that's fair. Anybody else in this group do you think warrants? I continue to think that there's a place for Orleans to all in the league above the minimum, but I don't know exactly where his so we'll see what he gets. Yeah it okay. See could pay him a little bit more than the minimum if they wanted to seems like he might be moving on their Taj Gibson as a non non-guaranteed for eight million in New York and that's a pretty early guarantee date as well. So you could see them moving on from him. He seems more kind of like pretty close to the minimum sort of fodder also, Alex Land Harry Giles is an unrestricted. Free agent supposedly kings want to resign him, but they are limited to paying him just under four million because they declined to his fourth year option supposedly reportedly because he wasn't working hard last off season I don't think that will be enough to recite him if they want to I, don't think the beating down his door. He's a good passer that's about all he does and John Hinson is a rim-protector just got lost in the ether i. mean you tell me what team John Henson finished the season on last year to cavs. No Detroit Pistons Oh. That's right because the German trait. Yeah. I I really had to think about it too. I was like he's on the cows like wait a minute no no, he got. He got straight into the Pistons. He was actually playing a little bit. I, can't no I I. About I talked about him late in the when he was backing up, Christian would I'm now remembering this as like that keys that he could potentially be actually one of the better minimum centers next year. I also, if he could just finish on the basket a little bit better, I would like him more. He does he's a decent but yeah, I mean I'll be honest I wasn't too locked in on post trade deadline Pistons. Christian would. So I've got some guys in this fringe category anybody pop out to you. As someone you just want to take a flyer on more than some of the others. Let let the record show that he just paused for about five seconds and didn't say and I'm not I'm not unpleasing long. I mean I can look Quinn I've liked for a little while I. Just think there might be a shot but no I don't particularly like any of these guys. I'll tell you who would be my pick out of these and I mean some of these names will you Hernan Gomez Meyers Leonard? By the way. As an offense center there in that desperately needed offense and they still he still couldn't get on the court for Charlotte but only twenty six, my old crushed, any Yawn Mimi alive. Looking for your older crush. Oh Yeah. Now, that's that ship sailed over here but your Mimi again, this would just be a minimum signing right but I thought he actually gave the wizards capable defend as a center I mean he's you know you'd be sighing third center but just somebody you're like, you know break classic as the virtually this guy can come in. As a backup center and knock a few heads and protect the rim. Let's switch over to the restricted free agents here, and that begins with twenty four year old YWCA pertile. In San Antonio, really tough time to hit restricted free agency for Pearl. I like him as a solid but unremarkable center and he doesn't fit in super well with this issue of the Spurs. The Spurs seems like it's a limited time offer. So I think the question with pertile is due spurs offer him enough to make him comfortable mitigating the risk and not like signing for I fully expect that happen I don't think you're GonNa get a Chris done situation here. But pertile, especially, if he has a decent enough year could potentially be this is just the worst time to be a non amazing restricted free agent. Again as I mentioned, I think the Spurs purto played well on the bubble. The spurs have a very clean cap she going forward they could buy into what the potential that this group showed in the bubble. And keep the Evita's zoo, pots is a pretty good analog for where portal is now. So something in the range of a four year deal for seven million, a year I'm guessing that's about what this offer he may want more than that I don't forget. He was the number nine overall pick a little different pedigree than zoo bots who was drafted that same year, and he may be wanting eleven million a year and I don't think he's GonNa, get it but eventually, you got to just go for the life changing money maybe you'll get eight, million, a year eight and a half million a year that'd be my thought there and then. I mean is there any team that you'd see as possible offer sheet team with him though I could see Charlotte or Detroit just being like, Hey, he's a good player if we can get him at a number that we're fine with you know and especially those two teams there isn't necessarily clear cut way for them to use their money. So maybe they maybe they do that but I, don't it neither of them screams destination be, and obviously I think the suns with De'andre aiden though eight appears to be comfortable playing power forward I. Don't think the suns are a particularly good option and the hawks just traded for two centers and a team. I think as price range would be in the mid level exception type arranger but is there a team that's a contender that would want to or at least trying to make the plows would want to tie up their mid level exception in a restricted free agent offer sheet. I'm not sure about that and some teams that could use them as a backup, but you don't want to necessarily pay him that way. I'm trying to think. Here's one if the jazz I don't think they're going to do this but the jazz traded Rudy Gobert would they would pertile for the middle of exception, be a terrible offer for them especially, if they're going to extend Mitchell no, I don't think. So and I I've I'm interested to see you know purtill is restricted he and Christian would are the same age they bring some different strengths to the table. Do you see though one of them as being markedly superior to the other? I think pertile has more proven track record I think he's he's done more. He's had more opportunities, but he's done. He's done a lot with them I think but he is also. you know would clearly as the higher upside? Oh, absolutely I could see how pertile would have more appeal to a better team and would would to a worse team a team that already has its offense of hierarchy intact. Okay. Two other guys that I wanted sure about here as restricted free agent Chris Boucher is one age twenty seven and very thin can really only be a backup but I think he showed enough to be at least in the teams center rotation seems like though he'll just be probably coming back maybe Toronto offers a two year deal with the second year nine guaranteed at you know three, four, million, a year or something like that just. To preserve the twenty, twenty one space but getting back in the fold that seems like kind of where that's headed to me and then another guy who's just you the SORTA guy who gets an offer sheet especially at twenty seven and he's he's only playable in certain ups particularly in the playoffs just because he's so thin and is also will make some mistakes. He's got to improve his three point shooting as well. But another guy who I really was impressed with on a two way in San Antonio, the two guys ever get these offers but drew you banks I thought really made some Nice plays in the pick and roll he intimidates at the Rim he's. Got Like a little short range hook game potentially I don't know how great he is moving his feet. He's got pretty good athleticism. I think he can act absolutely be a solid backup center in the League, and maybe again is just someone that the spurs will look to bring back on an NBA contract and he's restricted. Its qualifying offer is just another two way contract which terrible obviously. So he's Kinda got to just take the first thing that comes along, but he's someone I might try to just poach with a little bit of an appreciate. You know try it three, million a year and see whether the Spurs match or not if you need a backup center. Is Twenty five which is. On the older side for for like a a young free agent, he's still younger than most of the guys we talked about never rotational. He's younger than than well, he's younger than Alex Len and he is older the Harry Giles but Giles is extraordinarily young yet to client option as a first round pick. eubanks, I don't. Think of it more as. Just, maybe more of a minimum guy but the real I think one of the challenges for eubanks is that those sorts of I three, four million. Here deals are what actually better for cap space teams to offer in some ways because. Then that makes the remainder of your mid level that much more you talk if you're not a cap space team, so you're cutting get kind of in half and that's not nearly as valuable. So there aren't there, but it's possible I think he ends up getting going back to the spurs on a modest deal, but could be could be undervalued I think that's a fair. 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Talk Boston Miami game six it seemed like throughout the third quarter going into the fourth quarter that this was going to be one of those crazy games that went down to the end, and then it did it was a twenty two, six, Miami run after Boston six or Boston led at ninety, six, ninety, an we got asked on the NBA. CAST during the commercials what Miami was GonNa do about Boston switching and they had success with that at the start of the fourth quarter in game two going to grant Williams at center and Miami was really stagnating offensively. They were having to go one on one a lot. They weren't getting good shots at all and we thought they would go to drug. which they didn't drag Ginny and closed the game we thought they go back to Duncan Robinson which they did. He could give them a little bit more spacing to go on one and also just with his hand off game but the biggest thing that they did any was just they finally for the first time unleashed. Bam out a bio as a one. On. One weapon and he brought home absolutely and there was this huge sequence that actually started when Daniel Thais check back in. Brad, Stevens brought ties back in the six thirty three mark and it became the Bam bio show. So he had they think they the stat you they had seven points on three possessions is that there are seven on four basically? Eight points on four points, four possessions they ultimately ended up scoring on eight of nine possessions during the run right and so Bam couple yet a couple of drives than he had a and one of them was an and one which got Thais his his fifth foul was so notable too. It wasn't just a couple of drives it was. We're just GONNA spread the floor at Bam auto by is GonNa go one on one against any type starts the ball above the break with the intention of him isolating against Daniel Ties Yeah? And they got a good look really every time the one time that they really kind of keyed on Bam. He makes this beautiful wrap around pass the Jimmy, Butler and Tyson's of committee his second foul. So he is in for just about a minute commits his second and goes back to grant Williamson at that point of Miami moved away from it a little bit but I mean not only was the damage done but then other players on Miami really took hold in Miami. Last stretch if we want to use the inflection point of one, Boston was up ninety six to ninety from there on out thirty five to seventeen in favor of the heat. Most of that inside the Arkan- from the free throw line eleven fourteen from the field ten, thirteen from the free throw line and Boston. Missed a ton of shots as well. But a lot of them were well-contested. What were the stats on Boston offensively like they definitely got into a point where they were basically trying to shoot ten point shots but that's when. It was really are almost over already in their down nine with three minutes ago I thought they got some pretty decent looks at times. Walker had a couple hayward had a big one Jaylen Brown had one. But like the took a ton of threes and they just couldn't make any of them were the stats on that. Well. So let's take out the last two minutes because that's kind of as you were talking about that that got a little bit that got a little bit wonky. So it's just from that from that point. Boston daily got two shots in the restricted area and they split those. Then they were they had one photo which they missed one mid Ridge missed and one for nine from three and by comparison. Miami in that window five or six in the restricted area made both of the threes I dug arrived at least one of those and also they got a bunch of free throws like Bam Bam had four in pretty quick succession and they were getting couple thousand doll-, actually got sent to the free throw line onto smart foul as well. And that was a beautiful at Oh by the way where they this is after Obama killing them, they bring grant Williams get banned the ball at the elbow, and then they just had Dala cut backdoor and Kemba Walker to pick up kimball. Walker's fifth a a zero to take advantage of all the attention that Bam was going to get a after he scored the way he had the last few possessions and during that stretch hero had some moments to Robinson to to I had posited before that Miami doesn't have a lot of individual. Of Eyeso- switching breakers, and it's true. They don't have that singular singler player but they got a lot from Bam. He was the guy that used to justify their best I had said it was Gordon dragging chew as it didn't close the game and a really impressive effort by by Miami to get good shots and Boston. Yes. They missed more in that stretch than they thought they could have made a couple and it would have worked. It would have looked different overall but Miami was getting better shots were getting to the free throw line and to be able to do that against a scheme and personnel groups that had. Vexed them earlier in the series was really notable and I think that does bode well for Miami moving into the NBA finals. Yeah and we talked about it like, hey, grant Williams looks awesome right now are they going to take him out? He was in new it was they started twenty two eight run to go up ninety, six ninety when he checked in and they went to that switching defense although the heat certainly could have tried to just do some stuff to get Williams autobiography not a bio coulda gone at whoever it was an hero had a couple of plays against Kemba Walker and transition as well after Boston. Mrs. It definitely did ultimately turn into maker Miss League to some degree. Boston made their first five corner threes of the game and then missed their last seven many of which were some pretty good looks against the zone They were ten out of twenty eight on twos away from the Rim and Miami was fifteen out of thirty thousand big difference and then Miami also. Shot it extremely well for three eleven to twenty two on above the break threes and I thought Miami did well to adjust eventually because clearly Boston was really trying to take away the three pointer that was what may usually make their living on and Boston only allowed fourteen three point attempts in the first half and so Miami really started attacking the Rim and that. Was a big feature and Boston just couldn't quite get as much going to the basket at the very end of the game. So it was certainly Boston had a lot of shots that they would like to back. But I I would say that the better team won the series and the not much to say other than that about this I mean is. There in terms of the you know the people will say Oh Boston got lucky in this series but I don't think so I think Miami I mean this was actually probably in the end Miami's most convincing win of the series to win at one twenty, five thirteen and especially if you remember that part of the reason you know paralleling game five to some extent. That this was as close as it was during the competitive portion was Miami had another section where they couldn't stop turning the ball over in Boston getting was getting good. Looks out of that. I thought that Miami's half defense. It was shaking the first because everyone was making shots but I thought overall you know they were they were doing okay and it was it Was a lot of that transition dynamism jaylen Brown had a couple of picks sixes Jason Tatum. Got Another wonder one on tyler hero, which was something that happened in game five as well here through flat-footed pass and got it. Got It pick six. But what I thought was the real another tactical decision by Brad Stevens that I, think blew up in his face was. In Game Five, they got good minutes from enniskillen and they were able to you know get them offensive rebounds and everything else and Miami had a much more specific cogen plan of Attack In those minutes. They've largely went to Canada when they went to when Bam was off the floor and basically what will even when Bam was on the for the brought them in. They cancer guarding adult day kindergarten all. But so Miami had a better plan of attack there and there were people in in the chat for for of alive cast kastibougn shooting luck because under dollar four, four from three but they were basically warm up threes. Nobody was near and part of what was happening it was it was not only on the on the. Other threes by other guys, Dunkin. Robinson had a couple where Jalen Brown over helped of Duncan. Robinson. Is when a team especially one in some ways when they have smart defenders, what a team has an obvious weak point and the his teammates are uncomfortable with him. Kind of what say defending one on one you get the idea you see it's sort of the sort of the analogue of when a team has a bad shooter and ends up affecting everybody else more than them where it just it permeates the. Rest of the defense. So Jaylen Brown, I mean he he's an aggressive intuitive helper. Anyway, you know Jimmy Butler got burned a couple times for smart open threes on a similar concept in the two three. But Brown was like well crap this action they're not going to be able to contain it. So I should get over there. However when you're guarding Dunkin Robson, those same rules and instincts can actually burn because leaving Duncan Robinson Wide Open for three is actually more dangerous but he's like I'm assuming we'll crap it's. Like they're defending down space to bring him work, and so it was creating to kind of different things was the Dunkin Robertson three, and another one was the Andre Guatemala Pick and pop with an hour and a half to get the shot off with no sort of contest and it. Is Not the greatest shooter world yes. Super Reluctant. But if that's the kind of shot your conceding going to do a lot better than the twenty six percent he shooting in the postseason or the thirty percent, he shot in limited regular season or even the thirty three percent he shot in his career because these are way better looks you know that's the way this works well, and clearly they had a discussion about how they're going to attack Camp Kanter as you alluded to, I'm sure they had the conversation like Andre like be ready. You need to attack him and part of why I didn't really care for the insertion of Kanter was it was a game where they couldn't score in game five. In the and he helped them that you know helps the other team score to they weren't really expecting him to come any. He hadn't been playing much and so you kind of get away with that when they hadn't prepared for to go back to the same thing again and I understand why they tried it like he played well but once he started getting his ass kicked to go back to him again in the second quarter really didn't make any sense and as it turned out, cancer was negative eleven in only eight minutes one of two and they just gave up trying to threes because as you mentioned, they felt like they really need to help out so much on those pick and rolls. Just. Briefly, you again not all scanner Miami had a 167 offensive rating Kim was on the floor and is seven and a half minutes. That's bad. Yeah and there's a lot of Boston players who really wish that they could have some back tatum that miss a Lotta layups are all also thought tatum had an over the first quarter again yeah. Did have four assists I mean he had a wonderful passing first-half half he had I think eight assists in the first half ended up with eleven and but never really found her rhythm as an individual scorer in this game yet a couple of step in threes thing. But the one on one creation what had made tatum. You know the the Belle of the ball in February and March, and then at times in the bubble I would facing better defenders whether it was the cumulative fatigue of playing. You know somebody series he just didn't quite have that Mojo in this in this series in particular but he also didn't in the Toronto series as a one on one creator himself. I would say that in picking Boston in this series end picking obviously Milwaukee is wall against. Miami is I. Just continually underestimated the heat often and because we felt, okay, you switch them do they really have guys who can do enough one on one and certainly drag it's has had moments this game he didn't do. As much but and we respect Robinson but there's guy without, okay really locked in on him you can take him away and the Celtics will do that. But then other suffer would open up and on a bio, his gravity as a roll man, his playmaking bill to do stuff off the dribble and he had a career high thirty, two points five assists eleven of fifteen from the field ten of eleven from the free throw line and Butler again you know I don't think he's an a ridiculous offensive player and he had these shooting struggles in the regular season which he seems to overcome here in the bubble and maybe he's someone who is able to get right with. His shot a little bit more than we thought he would and but it's really the and we saw this against Boston where Boston is very good at okay. You get a match up that. We don't like with Kemba Walker will switch him out. Rightly we're GONNA hide him, and then you get them switched onto somebody and will either help or will switch them out but against Miami and a lot of these lineups there really wasn't anywhere for him to hide that well, and there's just so many ways that Miami found to attack and heroes another guy who obviously had a wonderful series great in this game despite the Pixel Z stays in plays point guard at the end. Had seven that's going to be pretty close to a career high for him I I would bet nineteen points and Igwe. Dolla again is still let you like you can't shoot he really a good offensive player but no, he's binds Jimmy Butler on on an easy back door I e Biz become a really good screener. He can shoot shots when he's open like he was a plus twenty in this game there's just a lot of good players on this team and That particularly, the way that they moved the ball and the US out of bio is a hub to just run through all these different options on handoffs when there's three different guys that can come off a hand off the with Bam bio and do something on the floor whereas you compare that to. Denver and they got one guy like that. That's to Mama right at least at this current configuration and it just become so hard to guard they just have so many. Different ways that they can attack and it's not a traditional NBA offense compared to a lot of these teams like, okay. We gotTA lock in on this guy the most you do that. MIAMI. I've made the analogy to the finger in the dike many times in the series Stevens would clean up one thing. Then Miami, we would find something else and it seemed like Boston was continually reacting most of the time to what the heat we're doing something else that I think. is is really striking here. So Miami in the playoffs using cleaning the glasses garbage time filter, there are third in offensive rating and they played some great defensive teams. They've played some great defensive teams and they put you to Milwaukee in the last round Boston in this rounded and Indiana I mean especially without Savona spur, they were there were more limited but still that is a great group to go through and one of the above is Utah who only played Denver and Denver's. At least significantly before they figured everything out then the Lakers are the only other team above them by the way. But here's another thing that I thought was so interesting in the playoffs again, using cleaning glass garbage filter Miami's actually below average in three point percentage there are thirty six, all bad. They're writing really hot shooting their fourth the Rim there third from Florida range like they're they're making they're making a lot of these shots getting to the free throw line and absolute time. That's something. That definitely carries over from the ratings season absolutely, and they're not turning it over a ridiculous amount or thing they have a lot of these things that they're doing well, and if you WANNA use that though the location version of effective field percents they're doing. Okay. But they're getting they're getting these shots and they have they have really talented shooters and their defense has been strong overall and and it's and over the course of it I mean yes there was the there was a stretch jae. was hitting every shot and that helped but then he cooled off and it would all had all of them today he's been ridiculous and postseason. So I've been exceedingly impressed and and the the big picture point that I wanNA make on Miami is I think we need to appreciate what they just accomplished. Miami has only lost three times in the playoffs they swept the pacers they took care of business there. Then they beat the best regular season team in the NBA in five games and yes, it's true that Jaanus was heard for part. Of that time but they were there kicking their ass even before that and then Boston a totally valiant opponent they dispatched them in six and I think Miami to go through that group of teams. So cleanly is absolutely remarkable. Yeah and to have had three one leads in both of those series as well. Any other kind of smaller notes onto on from this game the Jalen Brown injury so Jalen for the second time in these playoffs got injured on a breakaway where somebody kind of hit him strangely when he was going up. This time it was Jimmy Butler catching Jaylen Brown's left ankle and ended up having a left knee issues stayed in the game. We don't know thankfully, it doesn't seem like it was super serious. We'll find out more over the next couple days presumably I mean I didn't see much there to think to think intent especially. Brown. kind of kept his foot behind him in a way that doesn't usually happen but I hate guys getting the you know that is something that I'm very very sensitive to so hope he's okay. Think that the league. Should consider you know having maybe maybe thinking about some sort of review for those sorts of things. Anyway. Just to kind of it just anything that leads to a guy in the air getting touched scares the crap especially when it didn't, it's not like Jimmy Butler not saying he did anything militias or anything that there was no chance that he was going to affect the shot or anything like that. So it's like this one wasn't as dangerous as the Kyle lowry one which really which really pissed me off, but it's again you know that. Wasn't. It Seok them. Oh. It was talking lowry that was. That was the one that was kind of the undercut, right? Yeah. No that's of concern for me particularly when it's a play from behind where the guy just has no chance of making a play on the ball. Jalen. Brown. Took some steps forward in these playoffs. It is. Well, he had a really nice game with twenty six points in forty minutes. Marcus smart was definitely a little thirsty twenty, two shot attempts for him as a lot. Now, some of that's against the zone was four thirteen from three only had two assists which he that's really how he'd been carving up Miami a lot. But I thought he took a few shots that were probably four or five, which he'll do but That's the one thing that I think he needs to continue to clean up in his game and Kemba Walker A. There's some talk postgame about his knees I wasn't GonNa make excuses about it at this point obviously Gordon Hayward clearly was not. Himself coming back and gained three. He gave the Celtics something but he also was not particularly dynamic particularly in this game I thought that that missed layup he had was definitely a killer forum but I think the Kemba Walker situation will be something to watch for the Celtics in the future because this is really his first time playing at the highest levels against Toronto and against Miami and I think, against Toronto, he caused the major problems in their base defense, but it's really hard for him to do much when he's not playing against a conventional pick and roll defence a- and we saw. That he's really struggled to beat switches in this game, he struggled to beat switches the same in the trousers maybe that was due to that troublesome knee. But that knee isn't going away at age thirty either and with their long-term salary structure tatum getting a maximum kicks in at the end a twenty, twenty one maybe there's a thought that paying Kemba Walker amax contract as opposed to using those resources elsewhere. UNA, team that's going to be they'll pay the tax, but they're not gonna pay it to like you know a Brooklyn Nets twenty thirteen type level that De Beers Monitoring A. Little bit because you know he also is a defensive liability. We even posited times that they're better off without him defense. They're definitely better off without him defensively but the against this team that there might be better off without him entirely at the end of games. So that's that'll be something to watch like he he's and they've tatum brown it they're gonNA keep hayward Iran smart can do some play making like maybe they have enough offensively without him in the end we got a lot of it depends on how tatum continues to grow as well if he really gets into being a Superstar then maybe Walker really helped in the regular season but at the absolute highest levels which were this team is setting its sights. Now, he might be a little bit too limited particularly as he's getting older. So that's something to think about an watch for the Celtics Great Team Player though he also the Miami side the to Jimmy Butler hitting some tough contested shots early in the first quarter, I thought that helped, keep help keep Miami in it You kind of coming back to Earth a little bit. I, still think he had some had some estimates had that crazy three when when it looked like Miami was was having some having some struggles you mentioned here was great. We're worth emphasizing that again and Solomon Hill playing over Jerk Junior Kelly clinic getting d. n. p.. I wonder how that's GonNa continue into the NBA finals. There's so much to talk about it with with that I'm sure we'll do that preview probably tomorrow I'm guessing for dunked on prime listeners. Let's talk about now last night's game as the Lakers finished off Denver well, the Denver Nuggets. storybook season is over they don't get that first game in the attempted three one comeback despite a nice turn in the third quarter cutting a sixteen point lead all the way down to a tie game but never were actually able to take the lead and then Lebron. James finished them off in spectacular fashion. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean Lebron was was just dominant. There were a few of them that could have been offensive fouls but also he had the jump shot working James do the the whole line I thirty, eight points fifteen or twenty five from the field almost all of that inside the Arche was one. For four from three got to the line eight times. Sixteen assists ten rebound or sixteen rebounds, tennis two turnovers plus twelve in his forty minutes of Action Yeah, and he actually does the most that he's played. He actually stayed in the whole fourth quarter which he hasn't been doing in this postseason in. You could tell in the third quarter when they went on the run, he was starting to feel it a little bit and really tried to take over at that point didn't quite work as the nuggets came back in part when he was out of the game at the end of the quarter but then. Once he saw couple of go through the hoop on the mid Rangers towards the end. It was just really a virtuoso jump shooting performance right up there with some of the best in his career having flashbacks to a game, we actually referenced in the last Pod the game to twenty eighteen against the raptors when he just started going crazy in the third quarter, this didn't quite reach that type of a yellow level, but it was definitely up there the three he hit when he just picked up his dribble to make a pass and they left him and he drained it that pretty much put it away. When Lebron James particularly when he has the jump shot falling like that he's absolutely the best player in the world and with the demise of Kawhi will see what ends up happening in the finals. But certainly nobody who's going to be in the finals is his competition for that Anthony Davis clearly hobbled to some degree, the ankle, and so I mean Lebron James He's on-track for. As terrible finals, he's probably going to regain the crown as the best player in the world h three, five, twenty, one other player who's ever done that in my recollection and that's Michael Jordan who that's how old he was when he was winning the ninety eight finals against the jazz. So this is another huge feather in the cap for Lebron, and obviously will preview the finals know who their opponent is going to be but this is really just outstanding work and in the end. The nuggets defense just was not good enough in this series and and that was another major thing that will have to talk about where the Lakers, you know one twenty-one offensive rating in this game won twenty five last game and the nuggets just couldn't quite keep up in the end. Yeah and I mean there there a lot of different wrinkles in this game but I want to start with a kind of another big picture thing which is the importance of closing this out in five. Anthony Davis looked like he might tweak his ankle again Paul millsap fell into it late in the fourth quarter and we don't know how Long Eastern Conference finals are GonNa go into my knowledge. We don't even know when the finals are going to start either way. I haven't heard anything yet definitively either direction. So just having it done not getting any miles on the tires whenever the final start is. Extremely, important for this Lakers, team Lebron playing forty minutes eighty playing thirty five and avoiding the injury risk of getting the fatigue and everything like that, and then that they were facing a valiant opponent in one that yet again came back from what appeared to be a version of the dead know being down fifteen in the second half. But getting just getting the W is exceedingly important and in the difference. Was that the Utah Jazz and the La Clippers didn't have Lebron James Lebron, James, wasn't going to let the nuggets get some momentum after going down three games to one again I mean he he just decided that that's what it was going to be, and sometimes that works sometimes it doesn't. But when he's hitting the jumper like that, there was no stopping him and I think the nuggets could've done. Some things better for sure I still think that they didn't pack the paint enough but given the personnel on hand I'm not really sure how they could have done much better of a job against Denver other than arms against the. Lakers. Other than just trying to run the Lakers off our aura away from the rim and force them out to the three point line a little bit more than they did. Aiding, that any other big themes that you really wanted to hit on me and there's a lot of really interesting stuff that happened in this game that I wanted to get into some strategic stuff. But any big things I don't know if this counts I mean because it's a through line of a couple of games in the series Michael Malone's conservatism. I mean that was to me a a huge part of this game that Nicole Yokich picks up his first foul as a euro foul and then I knew you knew it was coming as soon. As that happened like he it's unbelievable with him and I mean, we've been tweeting about it and talking about on this show for years, and then even still he picks up his fifth tall and just like raises his hand to take credit for it with like four guys around Dwight Howard like just use your brain man like how could he be such a smart player and yet have these mental lapses of when it comes to fouls? It's ridiculous. Yeah and so you'll get only played eight minutes and seventeen seconds in the first half because he committed. That, that first year Oh foul committed his second a shooting foul about six minutes into the end of the first quarter, and then committed his third foul fairly early in the third quarter and Malone chose not to leave him in and it is true that Yokich can get his thousand bunches. He can be a high falfield player and even though hilariously during the interview Malone said Yokich as a player who's trustworthy with without light with two fouls immediately after he just sat him with do vows because he didn't trust him to play with two fouls but. Yokich represents your best chance of winning and especially if drew momories limited and he looked progressively more limited over the course of the game, you have to roll those dice because it's not like they had the nuggets like any other team have a suitable replacement for Yokich I thought plumbly had a couple of moments but broadly, he was getting abused defensively and offensively they needed Yokich a lot entirely possible he falls out but it was basically guaranteed Yokich played fewer minutes this way. Then if you let him, go go further and fouled out. No, you're right and. Even took him out with his fourth foul with a few minutes left in the third quarter two minutes left in the third quarter. He brings him back to start the fourth. But at that point, he's already only played eight minutes in the I like what had just leave him out there and just it's it's just not using his brain by Mike Malone is just. Fouling but yeah yeah I mean and obviously it's got to be frustrating for Malone to see Nicole Yokich be so you're responsible and to say all right. If he's GonNa do some dumb shit like that. I have to take him out because he's GonNa fall foul out Vassar and we and I can't trust him despite what he said in the interview. So but you gotta just roll the dice There's this conception of risk of Oh. What if he falls out as opposed to the more immediate risk of what if we get down by so much during this time that we can't go back and as it turned out, did he come back but if Nicole Yokich play more minutes in the first half maybe they're up five or ten and it's a totally different game instead of they tie the game and never take the lead with that big run in the third quarter and there's also the thing I started to say like it's just not using your brain. It's just okay this is the rule and this is How we do it right like. All right. So to positive first-quarter, you're GonNa sit and then the the second quarter starts then you're gonNA come back in as rather than bring them back in two minutes left in the first quarter when by the way they usually have Anthony Davis and Lebron James Together, and you really need your best player out there to combat them. But if he picked up his third foul a minute into the second quarter with eleven, minutes left in the half as opposed to with thirteen minutes left in the half right before unlike like that some big difference, it's just it's just not using your brain. All this and it just relying on the safe choice being quote unquote risk averse when that's not even the bigger risk. So anyway, we've talked about all this is a long time your but particularly when they're down eight points, ten points double digits at times in the nation, yeah. Any other kind of things you to talk about here I have I have a bunch of small ones but I think that's all of the truly the truly big ones. So the biggest thing that I noted in this game is the Lakers had a ton of success. Thank you with a play where they and they hadn't run this that much to my recollection. Maybe they had a few times and it didn't work that well, but I mean. They probably ran that play fifteen times in this game and they score maybe scored at least ten of these possessions if not more and they got great judge pretty much every time and it was having a small guard screen, the screener. So screen usually Yokich and then the nuggets like to play this pick and roll defence where yoke further out on the floor and the you can't let the ball handler get ahead of steam and. So, if he has to get through that screens behind the play, the screen could be set for Lebron. James and now Lebron has a head of steam going at Yokich, and once you have seen going at Yokich, he's powerless to make a play particularly when he's in foul trouble and so probably about five six, seven times they ran that Lebron got a couple layups. He was just playing with an incredible verve and energy then in the. Second half they decided. Okay. Here's what we're. GonNa. Do if you're going to have a small guy screen Yokich, then we'll just have that small guys switch onto Dwight Howard before he said screen. But then your problem is you're getting the small guy on Lebron James in that pick and roll, and so that was Gary Harris lots in Gary Harrison's a great defender. But when Lebron James is just playing this decisively and with this much worse even. Gary Harris one of the best defensive two guards, a guy who absolutely wild us, these last two series and his demise in this series I thought was a big part of why the nuggets really struggled. You know when he was meriting forty minutes a game in that clipper series, they looked a lot better or at the end of the jazzercise but Lebron. James just quick first step get a shoulder by Harrison. It's GonNa be a foul. He's just even it doesn't even have to get into the post autumn. Necessarily it's just too strong and too forceful and just goes right through the shoulder of the guy who's not in front of a most of the Times. There's a few controversial calls NAPA generally he's not in front of him and he draws a foul or just goes right through and it's a short floater, and so they really never came up with a solution to. That, and then in the end Lebron was getting the switch and hitting just like really difficult jump shots as well. But it was just the overall decisiveness from Lebron not dancing around not dribbling the air out of the ball to there's five seconds left not backing up wiping his hands on his Jersey he gets some sweat on the balls doodle stick with other ball and just be like no as soon as I get this guy, I'm. Going hard as I can, and that's what makes me one of the greatest players of all time I. It was really just an incredible performance by him. The Lakers did a great job of putting him in a position to succeed in a way that the nuggets just doubt have the personnel to handle. Yeah. It's a great point and I'd also was in stark contrast to me thought maybe think back on the clipper series that their star players. Exert that same decisiveness, and that isn't quite as a different style of player in this version of Lebron and they're great players who do a lot of different things but it when he has a physical advantage and give time to recover, there's no quarter for for the end when you don't have good help defenders which the nuggets have a couple but they don't have that many in Lebron's pain in the ass in those circumstances to that was it just was creating so many opportunities mostly himself actually in this one but of course, he can't pass and he did have some great passes of just they were often in other action. Yeah and I really thought particularly at the end of the game. Early on the no gets had pretty good success I thought getting the ball out a lebrons hand and forcing Danny Green and make a decision which he really is very poor He'll take these dribble in two pores which he never makes the almost never drive successfully although he did pick up a terrible second foul and Yokich I mean was a foul but a terrible decision to fall. Danny Green on a layup. When Yokich was screened off 'em kcpt as well can throw some passes that are questionable at best. He is starting to show some picket role ability in Detroit but that really seems to have atrophied with decision to they're doing a good job of forcing those guys to make plays early on but only forcing twenty four three point temps from the Lakers when they were. Absolutely destroying the nuggets in the paint in the first half with thirty six points just in the first half they didn't do a good job of packing the paint. They didn't have the intelligence out there with Harrison not really playing that much monty Morris can't really have enough of an effect at the rim. He's not like a good guy the way Harrison's Michael Porter Jr. isn't going to really Be Able to execute the scheme that well millsap grant is always going to be sickening millsaps does a pretty good job of helping off the right guys and trying to clog up the paint, but he doesn't have a ton of many more and he's not gonNA play that much. He was. He added Hilarious millsap lined by the way thirteen points one of eight from the field and ten of eleven. From. Some. Spectacular flails and flops in there too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was their last got within four and then Danny Green hit that can pop three pointer from the off of that same play. Of course, they're running every time to push it to seven that was the key one, and then Lebron started going crazy with the jumpers So yeah, and then the nuggets transition. Defense wasn't good enough either particularly in the first half I thought Lakers had eighteen fast-break points again, doing a great job of just during long passes like this is a one of the hardest teams I've ever seen maybe up there with the warriors of just how difficult it is to keep them out of transition no matter how much you try to do so and the nuggets. Are Not a great transition defensive team, well, not to see something that you and I focused on in the series, which is anytime all Murray drives the play finishes which mood driving to the basket they're going to try to push ahead fast was even when we're Murray over Lebron did it hit ahead and they got something on it and then there was I think berea had layup, and then Lebron just through an absolute missile data who had never gotten back on the play and To have a few easy buckets that way the Lakers credited with eighteen fast-break points and yeah, I think that's absolutely huge. They both teams actually ran a ton off of their wide rebounds in this game Perk Glass Lakers ran on thirty eight percent of their live rebounds, the nuggets forty, one percent those are both ridiculous proportions they're. Also did make a very engaging series. Any other like a small notes that you hit on a couple of things I thought that Rondos defense had some there were some there were some real matador in that the as you as you call it like dome, smart foul, where you the other teams in the bonus and you foul to stop the fast breaks you guarantee exactly what you were trying not to not have happened. Yeah. That that was pretty raw at the end of the thirty did hit a couple of big three's on the defense when went under the nuggets generally actually did a better job stopping the Rondo ad pick and roll in part. Because eighty was a little bit limited and liquor ended up not closing with Rondo. In fact a Rondo. Did Not play in the fourth quarter Caruso played the whole fourth quarter and I think that helped to their offense late do they also closed the game with Dwight Howard which they had not done much of they took him out at the very end of the quarter wants once things were already and and Danny Green also was out there with the closing group interestingly enough which he basically had not been earlier on caldwell-pope got some some time in the fourth. So it's a little bit different of of A. Group for Frank Vogel at the end and then Lebron playing the whole fourth quarter they that's part of why Rondo didn't play in the fourth and they just decided that they're going to run everything through Lebron and once again, the the nuggets didn't do a good enough job with Caruso on the floor green not a great playmaker also got Howard to just get the ball out of Lebron's hands and but when he's rolling Dustin playing that confidently in that aggressively easier said than done Any other little things for you here yet Jamal Murray I mean he he definitely looked physically limited and also you could. You could see some of it in his shot chart to for eight on jump shots three for five from Florida, and then only three shots industry jerry that we did get a couple of free throw. You've got five free throws over on the game and Jill Lakers were doubling him at moments. I got frustrated at times that even though Murray was limited that they could have isolated especial in Caruso was in the game the Lakers comfortable putting crucial on Marie and I think Murray can roast them and yes, they can shade they can shave attention but I think that creates better seems in defense rather than a screening. Especially, when it's not Yokich, that's on the forty. F. It's forgiveness Yokich with a with a four on three. That's fine. But if somebody else, then that's a problem and so I thought that that was that was missing the series gets longer there but you know it's not like it's a shame that ended this way for Marie when you consider how incredible he was for extended periods these playoffs but that also is something that happens over the course of. Repetition and the banging that happens in long playoff series. Yeah and Murray, had a ton of highs in these playoffs some incredible incredible games but he also had games where he was like tonight where really didn't that much and whether that's due to fatigue you really was not getting the separation on the jump shot in particular three ball didn't look good noteworthy remember. When joe-marie is getting up like twelve threes a game in that jazz series well, he's getting up no threes in this series. Basically, they really did an awesome job of taking that away. I really thought that the nuggets should have done more for him off ball the few times they went to that in this series, it actually looked pretty good but it really was. You know hand off to him. They didn't really run any kind of floppy action to get off a screen just to give it a little bit of a different look for the Lakers and I think the Lakers got more and more comfortable guarding some of the nuggets, pet actions, and of course, part of the problem for the nuggets was outside of Michael Porter. Known could really hit three in this game grant millsaps like those guys had some very good looks that just didn't go down despite the fact that Jeremy Grant ahead, a wonderful third quarter I think he had sixteen in that period but those threes not going down just made a little bit too difficult for them offensively, and this wasn't overall a great three point. Shooting team you shouldn't expect that necessarily from this group, but I think the next step for this nugget seem is they just gotta get Michael Porter up to snuff defensively like if they do that and now you have this great shooter on the wing who can cut hard who can hit the offensive glass who can just even with a little bit of aerospace. Can just jack a contested three over somebody if you leave him if they can get him going to where he's not going to just get completely roasted in any kind of a defensive situation and after being much better against the clippers in the second half of the jazz series, he really got totally abused by Lebron who's just too smart to let the nuggets get. Away with hiding him whenever he was on the floor but that's an except for this nuggets team I think is to take another step to just be a little bit more than the two dimensional Yokich. Murray maybe supporter ISOS on occasion like really integrate him into this offense as a starter and US next season to get him ready as a defensive player. wholeheartedly. Agree I pulled the stats for joe-marie three point shooting in the playoffs forty-nine percent in the first round forty six and a half percent in the second round twenty six point four percent in this round. But when you account for the difference in volume Murray forty, six point, six percent in the playoffs on one, hundred, thirty, three, three pointers and the volume Kengo up? Part I, think the ball game and the game could actually change based on Michael Porter Jr. to you can put the ball in his hands, and if he beat him, get him to make a couple reads and everything else like that. So I think there's a lot of room for the STUGOTZ team to grow and I'm I'm so pleased that they were better defensively in the. After the first four games of the playoffs because that is a mandatory part of their eventual success. So yeah, I was very pleased with that just briefly that blocked at eighty hat on. Michael. Porter Jr.. Yes. On that. That was absolutely incredible at eighty played. I thought clearly being a little bit limited. They did not really go to him in isolation very much but he still. Had some nice finishes and gave them enough. I wasn't as usual guy defensively they didn't have him switching out on the perimeter nearly as much. They didn't go to the AD at Center lineups as much as they did in part because the Howard was doing a pretty good job. They didn't really want guarding Yokich that much either they go even when Yokich was guarding him. They didn't really go to him 'em obviously at the end of the game, it was more Lebron just going to work, and that was Lebron Cana taking on that responsibility. This is what they arrested him for all playoffs. So he could go forty minutes pushed the ball play Great Defense Jamal Murray at times, and just bring a level of force and athleticism that even at thirty five. Years Old, there's nobody on the nuggets who could begin to match. What are the things I wanted to mention was I thought it could have been a swing point in the game and ended up not being one was the six point trip down the floor that was fueled by Dwight Howard community flagrant one foul on Palm Os APPs basically, he fouled millsap after the shot was. In the air and then so it's MILLSAP got an extra chance and then they made a basket after that. 'cause you get the ball back on a flagrant great job by MILLSAP, just not getting technical as he came back at him, but just going back to Jordan enough. So that the referees took a look at it remember that's one of the criteria that hilariously what is what? Is that Goddard's law where the a criteria becomes something that people shoot for battling kind of a a or alcohol is Kinda like that too with the way things refereed these days but where it's just like it's supposed to be a criteria but then you can just like game the system and create that and get a reward that you know it's not supposed to be rewarding. You for going back at the guy, it's just supposed to punish the guy for causing you to go back at it and but That's something that they might want to just change that criteria if anyone ever actually figures that I don't think that players actually know that that's one of the criteria that taught, but it should be as long as it is one of the criteria. So that will do it for this mega episode of dunked on. If you're not a subscriber yet, you can get the rest of our content four days. 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15 in 60 Part 1 (Western Conference 11.12.18)

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15 in 60 Part 1 (Western Conference 11.12.18)

"Yup. Monday edition of the Pablo different schedule this week because we had a immediate reaction pod to the Jimmy Butler trade that we dropped on Saturday. When almost an hour talking just about that train of thought we had a lot of things to discuss the including more Philly goes from here that I thought was a really interesting discussion. So please check that out if you haven't listened yet, but we're going to start here because we're getting into the middle of the week who do half of the Western Conference here. And let's start with the one of the most interesting drama filled teams in basketball, the Houston Rockets the latest reporting came out over the weekend. And now to McMahon has tweeted that rockets players and coaches believed that Karl Anthony has played his final game for the franchise apparently with the emergence of two way player. Gary Clark who has been solid so far. But it was not exactly who I would guess Mel envisioned himself losing time to it appeared that there was not gonna be as much of. A role for Carmelo a. But it does seem like to me guys. If you're is reading the tea leaves that this is more of a rockets decision than a mellow decision that they're just sort of like, oh, we want to do the right thing for you. Because you're not gonna play. But yeah, you know, we kinda would rather just have the roster spot on who's not going to have a negative nine net rating. And I think it's interesting to hear where Chris Paul and James harden thought on this because I think I think Houston's being really smart and that they're attacking this early. Whereas with okay see last year, the all this just kept expecting though to get better eventually. And then we said that he'd be good in the playoffs and he wasn't going to the playoffs. So Houston's try this out for I don't know ten or so games. And I think they realize that it's not working at all. So they decided to go another direction. So I'm interested to hear how the players respond to that decision. Well, and so you have watched them the last week or so, obviously, he was bedridden no doubt with an illness. These last few games and now will not be making the trip with the team to Denver. But before that, what did you see from him? What was such big problem with him, maybe a little greater detail than we've been able to talk about so far? Well, I think most of the people and they talk about militant about his troubles switching on players. But I think he's just as bad off on fences. He is on ball a lot. He's terrible as rim-protector swats guys like with Ed vicious swipe that he uses instead of walling up. Using any county. And then sometimes they'll just choose not to rotate on on a play and the defensive rating with him on the floors one fourteen and with him off the floor actually is one oh five which is like a top five team in the league. So I think he's at the heart of a lot of Houston's issues defensively. So I think you could see a big improvement with him off the floor. But I mean, and then just authencity he never got to the foul line. He wasn't hitting his three very well. Thirty two percent from three and he had a Whiteside. Ask five assists in ten games. So he wasn't passing it all either. So he was he wasn't really helping out an offense. And he was crushing the defense. So it seems like I think they're going to be much better without him. So I don't know what you guys think of that. Why? I mean, I watched a fair portion of their game on Sunday against the Pacers. And I don't know whether it was James harden, looking better physically Chris Paul is still doing with you told Tim MC band at its tendonitis. So that's worth watching. L rockets this week to to be clear. Yes, is L his cO issue. So to me, this was the most like the rockets on both ends of the floor that they've looked all year. The ball was popping a little bit more hardened was more aggressive at one point. You took some aggressive. He checked pull up shots, and they were getting great looks early for clink cappella, and they were bouncing around a little bit more defensively. So it looked a lot more like it, and Gary cork being a part of this rotation is another reminder that you don't necessarily need, and I don't know Gary cards game on to know, if he's like way better than hit being an undrafted guy who who made their Jima situa- guy. But it's not always about how good a player is how well they can fit around what you already have. And I think that was what mellows problem with this team was is that he couldn't fit in the box that they need for everybody. That's not James harden or Chris Paul on either under the floor. Yeah. And if I can okay. Say about his stats. It wasn't really anything. We're like oh teams would just shooting incredibly well when he was on the floor and team shot four percent better from three on the floor. But that's dot a crazy number of a lot of it was just that. They couldn't get a defensive rebound when he was out there and part of that tonight his fault if he's playing with the second unit, they haven't really had an NBA quality beco- big, man. And then the following went way up to those with the big reasons why they were so much worse with him on the floor pro statistical standpoint. Yeah, I mean there last in the league in opponent free throw rate right now, so mellow definitely has a lot to do with that. And as far as Gary Clark. I mean in college he was one of the best defenders in college basketball, probably the best and his issues or more that he's really old and he's a little bit undersized and he didn't have much offensive game. So it seems like the defense is translating pretty well. And he's shooting more in the rocket systems, not shooting great. But at least he's willing to take them. So it's just to see I think they're probably gonna end up. Converting him at some point from his. Yeah. And that might be an interesting negotiation we've seen that. Become a still mate, you have the ability to convert a guy into any NBA contract that you an AA they could give them three years because you know, it's not like they used their mini mid level exception at all. But yeah, I imagine he's like he closed this game for them against San Antonio. And his three ball. You know, you mentioned his offense again games. Three ball was pretty good to me. He had an aggressive drive as well. So I I think we'll see whether the ball continues to go in for. But he's shooting it like, he really means it and more. So even than James NS who's looked pretty rough from downtown in the last couple of years, he tried to take one of those super deep threes than to not look, particularly comfortable doing that. But really, I think the defense seems to have gotten better, you know, they really haven't had one of these absolutely flammable performances since they started that Roach Abassi since harden came back, but the offense until this last game against the Pacers has started to run into some issues. Yeah. And I'm actually not worried much at all about their offense overall. I mean, it sounds simple. But they're just not making a lot of shots there. Twenty fifth in the league in three point percentage. And I looked it up. They have the highest percentage of their shots in the NBA would be labeled as open so they're getting a ton of open looks Erik Gordon shooting. Twenty three percent from three Michael Carter Williams won't be part of the rotation anymore, Gerald greens twenty six percent. Gary Clark's thirty percent, Chris Paul's Dama thirty four percent, which is low for him. So I think you're seeing some defenses specifically like sag more in on Chris Paul and James harden on their drives especially the Spurs really clogging gaps and they're in the outside guys beat them more. So I in Chris Paul and James harden having been nearly as a fishing attacking the rim as usual hardens down to forty nine percent and polls at forty eight percent at the rim. Do you think? They look all right physically. Do you think that's something that's going to get back to the levels that they'd been in the past? Well, it's the issues are two fold obviously number one that there's a lot less space there. And that's always going to be the case against the Spurs with done one of the better jobs protecting the rim, although it's not like to spur. Errs had some awesome rim protectors out there. Most of the time with with two of their centers unavailable in that game against Houston. But no harden is not look as good going to the room. I mean, there are a lot of just lefty lay ups that he's just kinda rushing doesn't seem to be getting the same explosion. He doesn't seem to be getting the foul calls at the rim. And these shots are are just like ones that you'd think a Justice James harden. He's going to make this always makes us and he just hasn't been in. You know, I'm not sure if that's going to get better. He does visibly look heavier to me. But it's definitely a Cisco aberration. He can't continue to be this bad because he's never been below sixty percent from the area around the basket so far in his career and he's going to be under fifty percent. But it is possible, especially given the visible changes in his body that he's moved into a new phase. And then Paul you'll he's got this elbow tendinitis that could be hurting shot. He did hit a few threes in that Senate Tonio game. But he definitely does not look comfortable around the room. You didn't really even right at the rim as much. Last year either. So I'm not sure I mean there's and then there's the hitting shots. I agree with you mean, they're getting some open looks. But I mean, who is the awesome shooter on the two of Joe Greene, your he'll shoot better, Gordon shoot. Better. Those guys you mentioned there in the twenties. But James NS, I mean, he's actually hitting thirty nine percent. But he's not shooting that many Tucker is again, not a huge volume guy. I think they actually miss Ryan Anderson a lot both due to in the regular season at least because how DP could space. He Gordon really only guys who can shoot those super deep three. So I do think they'll get better. But I also think that there are some issues because this team, you know, to be where they wanna be. They've gotta be a to offense top three offense the league. And I would say it's more likely than not to me that how they gonna play the rest of the year. I don't think they're going to be top two unit in the league. The rest of the year space them what we've seen so far here. We'll end it would have been hard for them to keep up last year's pace. I mean, James James Harden's isos stats from last year. We're destroying careless. He was that like one point two points per possession. I so so that wasn't gonna keep up and. I think this team is actually like pretty susceptible to injury. Just as far as I think twelve games now. Gordon's miss three games Paul's miss to hardens miss three. And you know, that isn't all that many. But like when they only have two out of three of those guys the creation burden falls pretty heavily on the other two. And that's an issue. They don't have much even like the other players on their team like PJ Tucker has a really low usage. He's not going to do much attacking to close out James Ennis same thing. Gary Clark's, Gerald green? So they they really reliant on those three for creation. So that's going to be something to monitor. I agree with you that they're not going to be as officials last year. But I I don't I guess I still think that James harden looks pretty good physically. I mean, maybe he's a little bit worse than last year. But I saw some pretty quick movement. Today. He he really beat Victor Li depot really ban across over today. So I don't know I tend to think he's going to start making more of those shots around the rim. So I guess I probably more optimistic about their chances than you are what do you think about Capella? I think he hasn't looked as good at that. Right foot issue in the preseason hasn't looked at the same touch around the room. And then I think defensively he's been getting. Feet on switches much more than we saw a year ago. Yeah, he's definitely getting beat on more switches offensively. I think his roles have become a little bit harder. Just because teams don't respect the shooter's on the outside as much like Gary Clark, you said like you looks confidence shooting it, but teams don't respect them at all over there. So a lot of the times opposite wing is crashing in. You know, making him do more with those roles than just catching dunk us. Assistant on seventy three percent of his baskets this year last year was like eighty two percent. So he's getting spoon. Fed more his assist percentages doubled. So when he catches on those short roles teams are pack in the paint making a pass it out. And as officiency is a little bit down. He's down to sixty two percent shooting percentage. He was at sixty five percent last year. But I mean, nothing too bad physically banged knees with somebody today. So maybe it's a little bumps and bruises. But I think he's going to be fine in in the long run. I think it's part of the shooting from the outside. That's hurt them overall. But not quite as efficient as last year. Well, so we talked about this on our time to panic episode last week, but you don't way, and what would you say they're gonna put like they. Will play at the pace of a blank win team the rest of the year. What would you put that number well without mellow? I think I'd probably put it around low fifties. So maybe fifty three fifty four around there. I don't know if that's higher not which by the way, we need a second episode of the time to panic podcast guys can get enough to get enough teams on that we more of that. Well, we'll have to get you another pay for bag. Maybe he'll agree to come on the show, Ken. Yeah. The the problem is I don't think we can do any less time for team with the three of us just enjoying talking too much. I want to talk about this game against San Antonio. We transition into San Antonio. But first this from our friends at seek a making my annual trip to Milwaukee. 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I they are now five and seven but four and three in their last seven still a negative five point nine net rating, which is twenty third. The NBA. They are the twenty eighth ranked offense, which is unbelievable. Even after this big before against the Pacers and twentieth in defense but still projected for fifty wins by five thirty eight which incorporates their preseason projections as well. But why don't we turn now to the Spurs Danny where they at San Antonio there. Now, seven and four four and two since the last time, we covered them here. Plus one net rating puts them fifteenth. So right around the middle of the league twelfth offense eighteenth and defense, which is a big jump from where they were they were thirtieth. The last time we did this. And they did not get a similarly big jump in terms of their five thirty projections. Thirty nine wins ties them for tenth with seems like they're always going to be tied with the clippers. I almost every time. I check it. That's how it is. Yeah. And you'd some odds rations on how their offense has looked so far that are pretty interesting. Yeah. It it's fascinating. So they had their offense is twelve. So then the top half of the league despite having in I'll say not modern shot distribution and their reasons for that. And we'll get into it. So forty. Seven percent of San Antonio shots for mid range. That's number one in the league and frequency by almost ten percent. Which is just massive like I mean, it's kinda hard to explain how big that is. And then only twenty five percent of their shots from three. That's latte. Lowest in the league by about a half a percent. And then their lowest in the league at attempts at the rim before I don't know. How Boston did tonight Ribes in it for that? So you're sitting there going, okay, they're taking like they're taking a traditionally inefficient shot mix and they have a top half offense. How does that happen? A couple of things. Most importantly to me they never turn the ball over their turnover rate. Twelve percent is spectacular. And that just means they're getting a shot on a higher proportion of possessions day are even though those are generally considered less efficient shots. They're making forty one percent of the mid Rangers. They're making sorry. Forty percent. Forty one percent of their threes. Forty percent of the mid Rangers. And both those are good threes are ridiculous forty-one percent there in the middle of the road getting into line. So they're twentieth ineffective field goal percentage. But they never turn the ball over, and they're pretty solid and everything else. So that. Makes the difference to push them into one of the top half. Oftens? Then Aldridge is one of the lowest turnover players of all time. It was last year that I had the stat that he had like, you know, one turnover on like over one hundred posts ups or something just completely insane. Or might have been like, you know, you had a thousand a thousand post touches in like six turnovers. It was just like unbelievably low, and then derozen one of his overlooked strengths has been avoiding turnovers as well. And those guys are kind of in the same guys to Rosen's numbers, very similar a few more assists. But it was interesting in this game. He really got taken out of it. I thought an Liam you you saw the game. Do it was mostly actually their strategy was to get the switch and get hard on aren't actually just like stopped him every time and hardens always been a guy that has really strong base. He's pretty good on switches. He had a good defensive game against the Marta rose into doing the same thing. So all your hasn't looked quite as effective in the post. I don't know. Maybe. Talking about. And actually if I said Aldridge, I misspoke. But yeah, I was talking about to Rosen being stopped by by harden in in the enact Saturday. Yeah. And exactly that's is saying I mean, the Rosen normally gets pretty difficult looks for mid range, but these were especially difficult. I think you pointed out like there is not a guy that's going to be you speed go, you know, go into the room. So he's more of a back Becky down and take advantage of a weaker wing defenders. So this is definitely a bad match up forum. So I wouldn't be too worried about Dhamar Droz and based off this performance. And if I could just one more thing from your turnover conversation, I think the lack of turnovers Israeli propped up their defense to to made them they're close to league average now. So that's definitely a big advantage of their low turnover or approaches. Well, yeah, they're not exactly flying down the floor to get back in transition defense. Danny green is an on this team anymore quiz on the team anymore. So yeah, they do have to rely on better floor balance in those situations. And but I do think that the Spurs deserved some credit in this game. By going away from derozen rather than just letting him continue to hammer against guys who are pretty strong in. Houston is not a good matchup for derozen because pretty much all the guys that they're gonna throw out there are strong. And that's what he relies on. And I thought that Derek Whyte while we didn't have an unbelievable statistical game he was plus twenty. And he did I actually it was a pretty good statistical game fourteen points on a twelve shooting possessions, any at eight assists. And I thought he really is given them for the first time since Tony Parker was helped even a couple of years ago. This is only a few games, but he's actually like able to get into the lane on the pick and roll and give them a little bit of offensive pace too. Because derozen Aldridge. Those guys are very deliberate like they work slowly, they can get these shots. They kind of they're slow enough that they allowed the defense to load up whereas white can get into some transition. He can actually get a break the paint a force guys come over and help a little bit and just like get more offensive movement for them. And I thought that was. Really can't dot. He looked good. He threw some really nice business beautiful alleyoop to Aldridge out out of a time out of. So I really liked to what I saw from him in this one. And I think they were missing him. But he came back earlier than expected from that planner fashion issue, and he had a really good year last year in the league, they won the championship. I believe and that's kind of player that he's been going back to college is, you know, pretty create off the dribble is not an explosive athlete, but he's got a decent enough for step in. He makes really good decisions. And they need that with the guards that they have Patty mills and Britain. Forbes, they're not creators at all. And the Rosen gonna do most of the creating but even hacking the close out making the play off the dribble and dish of the big. That's something they've been lacking. So I think it's going to help a lot especially since he looks pretty good physically. Not as good was a derozen defense in this. Now hardened really struggle. He was seven hundred twenty seven, but you know, the Spurs weren't they don't like to switch against hardened. But there were times when they had mills and belly out there that derozen just had to be the primary matchup hardening. Basically harden is a good enough operator pick and roll that if. If you have to Rosen on him, he's just going to make it be a switch because he's just going to get over the screen derozen is not going to be able to stay with them and rear view contest enough, and he's going to harness than going to engage the big, and then he'll back it out and be able to go one on one against the big. And that's not really what the Spurs wanted to. But with derozen y'all much like Kyrie especially earlier in his career, basically any pick and roll that you sat with him is going to end up being. So that that doesn't look too good for them. Couple other notes on this. I in this one with turtle and gonzo both out they had to go to choosing to as the backup center. And he didn't really look ready and for sewage not surprises the second round center. Didn't look comfortable trying to finish around the rim unless he just had a wide open dunk now committed a bunch of the usual fouls against hardened which the Spurs are Jill so much to not commit per tons. Actually, didn't look too good in that regard. Either you had a couple of regions on harden a quick interjection while we're talking about second round centers. That aren't quite ready. I think an underrated element for Houston. Growing mellows, Ben a bigger negative. But I say Hartenstein just isn't ready yet. And I don't know when the navy's coming back. But I think they could get they could be helped by more capable backup center. Play eventually. Yeah. Hartenstein? He tries hard on the offense of glass, but he just can't finish to save his life. Again, if he's unless he's got a wide open dunk, and I think he's actually gotten better executing their system like he's trying to get out on the floor and deny a when in the midst of their switches try to push guys further out on the floor. But if he does get caught one on one against anybody with ball handling skills. He's going to get blown by. Yeah. He's not much of a vertical rim spacer either. I think in the game against the Pacers through allowed doom and he just couldn't get up high enough to finish it. So I eat late. Like, you guys said, I don't think he's a guy that's going to be long term for them. And I think they'll definitely be searching for centers on the buyout market. If Nate doesn't get healthy last thing on the Spurs Rudy gay still missing time with that. Right heel injury. And that's a big concerning MS twenty five games with that year ago. And the initial discussion was always just. Missing time for maintenance and harassed and pop downplayed it. Well, it's been a week now and looks like especially with this being an injuries already struggled with really going to be something to monitor because they desperately need Rudy gay and his scoring. I think as look great when he's actually been available. But and having white back does help a little bit. But I do think that's going to be something to watch for the Spurs. Let's go next to the Denver Nuggets who had a hard-fought loss. They've had three of those in a row now to the bucks. Although I thought the bucks largely outplayed them today day. Would you agree with that? I would. Yeah. I mean, there were certainly moments in the game and the nuggets look good overall. And being outplayed by vexes is not you know, a condemnation. But yeah, I would agree with that. Let's do the fundamentals before we forget because we often do I often do Denver. I was being polite nature. Denver nine nine four five and three since last time, we did this three heartfelt losses that you brought up fishing rate. Plus seven point three eight offense still forcing defense and fivethirtyeight projects them to have fifty one wins would put them fourth in the Western Conference. This has been a very eventful week for our two weeks for the nuggets. I made originally we were thinking we're gonna do big breakdown of Jamal Murray's forty eight point game in that win over Boston. But we both watched the game against the bucks today. So we're not gonna focus on a nice staff from Dan Feldman that is the eighth youngest player ever to score forty eight a game one of the ones younger is Charlie Villanueva which is enjoyable to me. And then the other thing which is kind of a lead into this game was the adjustment that Mike Malone made in terms of the starting lineup, so Tori, Craig had been starting out of marris had a nice thread on Denver or on Twitter about the challenges offensively play Millsap and Craig together and Tori, Craig went from starting and not necessarily playing ten minutes to ADP CD in this game. And they started wacho instead. Yeah. The the end for Craig was in that Boston game one. He played the first three minutes of the game. They went down ten to two. Two and then he never played again. And I think they did start against Memphis, but ran into some big time spacing issues as Morris noted as well. And they also lost a at the last second on a care sliver shot to Brooklyn on Friday night. That was really, you know, that's probably the real bad loss in this. You know, that's and defense still up until today hasn't been bad. But you know, that Brooklyn games with that was like the old nuggets lost the to Memphis. That's that loss Milwaukee's playing credibly. Well, that's not that bad of a loss. Although they had some late game foibles that will talk about. So I mean, you know, they were not in one ever all they will make the playoffs. And you know, I think they're probably will. But the idea that they were to just cruise the number two seed in the west, you know, that every every issue they ever had was fixed. This is Mike balloons, dream, defense, etc. Cetera. I wasn't quite bind that I think. They're improved Golota guys on the team have gotten better. I think to their offense can get a lot better. The help. Add so many guys have shot on the scenery. And there's like four pretty good shooters all shooting under thirty percent from three for them right now. But I think they're going to settle in you know, kind of more than the same kind of high forties. Winds type team that they've often been, you know, especially with will Barton out there shoul define the guy that they are starting actually want show now. And I thought he's been playing really sexy. The one guy in the team is hitting a shot. Yeah. Overall for the season want show shooting forty two percent on his three pointers which on about three attempts to game. And as his minutes go up, you know, he's nineteen for the season. But he played thirty in the game on Sunday. So we'll see how that moves on. He was two or three and just having somebody who teams have to defend capably out there and it led. And this is something that happens a lot with teams when you move a guy from bent from the bench to the starting lineup. It jumbles up the rotation throughout just because the dynamics are different. So they ended up with some of these bizarre lineups like when they were playing one show in wiles together, which you know, this kind of. Evil because his team doesn't have enough forward or enough Schneiderman those two guys at least don't conspires the floor. Yeah. They had they had a lot of real briefly at the end of the first that did pretty well with Millsaps at center and Juancho and while as well with the then they went to pull me yucky was good in this game. We talk more about that later. You can we take a brief moment to talk about the bucks? Just because we happen to watch a game when Brooke Lopez's away completely insane. And I feel like we're never gonna have realized it said three games already was six or more made threes this here. Yeah. And a lot of these at least three that I can recall were twenty feet, plus they were way way past the line. And I think a lot of I think more players should be shooting from there. If you don't have to sacrifice your mechanics like I think LeBron should be shooting from that far out because when I look at his shot, he's just like the same thing. It's going to go into pretty similar rate. And so we'll see that moving forward also butts. It was great scam. But we talked about that a lot when we talked about bucks warriors. So we don't need to go there. We can go back to the Doug. It's I just want to mention those things. So. So I thought that this game was very Alestra of both of the strides that Yokich has made defensively and also the limitations that he will never be able to improve on. I mean a lot of these Lopez threes because he he was guarding Lopez it and in the starting lineup. I don't know where else you put him. Right. I mean, he's he's gonna guard Jaanus swell some centers can guard, you honest and actually thought Plumlee did a pretty good job on him. But yolk at gino's really too slow to guard Yana sue one on one. And so then he's going to have to guard a three point shooter. And with Lopez spotting up me hit a couple of thirty footers in this game. But you know, even in the corner Yokich was doing a good job of trying to help trying to spin out to the corner. And there's been plenty of centers who struggled against Lopez. But he just couldn't quite get there. He he made some really nice places like he had a play where Janas was fronted in the post late in the clock. They lobbed it to him. And he was able to get over there. While the ball was in the air and force twenty four second violation. So that was he's definitely trying to get out there. They have him further out on the floor. Again this. Era, and that wasn't really pick and roll necessarily that was killing the nuggets in this game as they gave up just an incredible offensive performance the buck throughout most of the game that bucks at one thirty offensive rating. And then, you know, so the bucks weren't really attacking pick and roll. But just having a stretch center that Lopez had to guard mean, and so that's all right. Any team? That's gonna play a strut center is going to cause problems. Now, the difference here a little bit was that at least like Lopez can guard Yokich pretty well in the post. He couldn't guard him in pick and pop which you know, I thought they could have gone to that more. But you know, so that's just it's going to be hard again. I mean, he's taken the next step. I think this team has a whole has taken the next up. I believe that they are very close now to maximizing what they can be as a defensive team. And you know, the point never was in the sky SOX defense. He's so bad. He's hopeless is terrible insects. You know, he's not and his canter out there. It was never the point. The point is just that. If you're talking about this team getting into the second round of the playoffs getting to a conference. Finals the competition is just so difficult in terms of picket role defense and floor. Spacing that I think against the best teams. It's going to be very difficult for them, especially when those teams he'll say the warriors, for example, Goto their best lineups yoga Chaz at least one, but probably two of the elements that less athletic centers can use to survive that he has mean such an insanely smart basketball player he has good instincts. But he's also smart. So I think you can see a lot more than most than most guys can eat you see it more on the offense it's true defensively to and he's done a better job this season of playing defense with intention, and you talked about trying to get out to shooters kind of seeing it at the challenge for him, especially as the league is evolving is that there are still elements of this that are physical constraints. You know, how quickly can you get from point to point B, even if you can -ticipant it you still have to actually physically get there. And as you said the challenges in the later rounds of the playoffs as the personnel get superior, and as the generally the personnel gets better at attacking what Denver doesn't do. Well, Macri real problems for them. And Millsap can cover up some of that stuff. You can't cover up all of it. And it would be a in some ways a good problem for Denver to have that if they're if they can make it that far I think they had a pretty good season. But they're, you know, if we wanna think about this is like are they going to be a championship pretender, I would say, no. But I think they can have a wonderful run without that. And you talked about how they're shooters aren't necessarily hitting shots. And I think that was another another kind of part of this game is their different elements of joe-marie. Like, there are a lot of things I still love drummer. I as one of my favorite young guards in the league. But you know in this game he only took one three, but it was doing a great job of denying him. But also his limitations as a passer. I mean you and I did the first game where we really pinpointed the bucks defensive character trait. Wasn't that Celtics game? When what Boston start doing in the third quarter was penetrating? And then looking to the opposite side, not necessarily the corner, but often the corner, but above the break sometimes too. And it it seemed like Mason Plumlee was better at identifying that went on when he had the ball in the end, then Jamal Murray was Yup. Now, there are a lot of times. I mean, they didn't have like a bad offense of performance in this game by any means. But yeah, there are still a lot of times when they would drive to the nail and help go over from the weak side wing because that's the bucks to and they just could not get the ball there. A few other notes Paul Millsap was great early on in this when he was five of eight from three hit a couple of pick and pop threes. The nuggets actually hit four pick and pop threes in the first quarter between Millsap and Yokich. But I thought that they went a little bit more to Millsap than they should have like Millsap his great to go to in when he has an advantage mash up, and he was actually able to beat Ilyasova pretty badly. And then, but there are a few times when they gave him the ball, and he had the time, and he's still tried to take you on us. And it's just not going to work like honest is gonna stop Paul Millsap probably any points career. But certainly at this point as you know, I still thought that maybe the nuggets should try more like four one pick and rolls to try and get Millsap the ball off the dribble able to back down a smaller player. But you know, we haven't seen much of that from them. And then I felt that they really should have gone to more pick and roll late. I felt that it turned out not being correct? Because was just awesome in pick and roll defence and a causing Murray problems, though, they coulda gone to harass it in a pick and roll to. And then you know to try to get yoga to pick and pop he did miss one of those Murray did hit one following jumper on Lopez. Especially late in the game. You know, a good wide. Open to point jumper is actually not bad. When it kinda just becomes more important to be scoring every time as opposed to, you know, maximizing your return over the course of the game. You have to open two point jumper is a good shot in the last three minutes or so of a close game much more. So than it is earlier when you know, you can kinda get the added benefit of threes overtime, if you take enough of them they also had a few failures later. I mean, this is just for whatever reason under Malone, and who knows what he instructed the team. They get the two for one six second differential. They're down three now after getting the two for one Millsap with drove baseline on a dunk, and they immediately fall. Khris Middleton with thirty one seconds left in the game. He hits two free throws. It's back to five and the game is like it was just no re-. And you'll remember there was a time when they waited a really long time to follow the Goodson. Okay. See a couple of years ago, but they've had three or four these incidents where they just have. No rhyme or reason to why they're following when they're down at the games. And so this was just a another example of that. It was an and it's frustrating, especially when the person you're choosing to that differentials, Chris Nelson. Who's a really good free throw shooter? There's an even that benefit of. Oh, well, maybe if it's this guy, the numbers are different, you know, that sort of a circumstance I thought Denver's offense was really stagnant late in this game. And that's I've seen that before a little bit in the game against the nets. And then the Celtics make it, but the Celtics and the bucks make team stagnant. So I don't wanna say Owen a look stagnant. When the play calls for you to make a pass. And then Eric Bledsoe gets through the screen and denies the guy. And now you have to just go make a play, right? Like, I mean, a lot of that is, you know. And I thought they could have actually been a little bit more basic than they were at. The end and just absolutely the mismatch with with Lopez. A great. Yeah. There were some some low hanging fruit there, and I think we should talk a little bit more about Plumlee, he just fit really wellness game. I thought he made much better decisions early on. He was trying to post a position every once in a while. But then they kind of figure that out later on. And then defensively they looked better with Plumlee out there than they did with with joke. Some of that could be personnel. You know, Milwaukee has different had different personnel out there and everything else. But I mean he had a really good game. And while I disagree with the contract made some public is absolutely very good backup center to be. Sure. Yeah. And they actually were playing better they made their big comeback to get back into contact with him in the game at the start of the fourth quarter guarding honest. I thought he did a pretty good job. Again, we've seen in a lot of like pure power forwards even at this point aren't even strong enough to deal with Janas soda to having a center on who has some kind of mobility actually since work. Well, then I thought Malone did finally adjust to Lopez to put a smaller player on them because you know, the brook used to be a great postal blur. Maybe he still is. But. I mean, if he has five post ups this year, I'd be surprised, you know, it was probably the fifth bucks game. I've watched and I've seen him post up maybe like three times turning that. 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What are the fundamentals for the okay thunder thunder now seven and five five and once in the last fifteen in sixty eleventh in net rating, plus. Three basically eighteenth and offense. Second defense and five eighths protection. Give them fifty two wins, which ties them for second in the Western Conference. Yeah. That would be quite the coup if they can make it to the number two seed, really what this team has been about is that defense though, they have earned every bit of being second in defenseless. When you watch them they struggled against the Mavericks, but overall I mean, they caused just MS like the lowest scoring game by any team all season by Houston. They're just have length at nearly every position and those guys get shoot so much on the other end. Although there's still no eighteenth offense is not bad considering how good they're defending and what their personnel is. And the fact that Westbrook has missed all this time as well. So I'm feeling pretty good about those guys we were going to do time to panic on them. But then they went on this win streak. But I was ever really that worried about them since they started oh and four but to those gains without west broken than they had a couple of pretty tough games. Right. When he came back. I did watch that game. A against Dallas couldn't take that much away from it. They looked pretty tired. I did think that Alex brynas continues to show why it is that Billy Donovan just doesn't necessarily wanna play him or we'll play him to grudgingly. I mean anytime apprentice got matched up against Donncha. She just caught physically overpowered very easily would have we seen a from Dennis shooter. It seems like he's been playing a little bit better. Lately had such a bad start to the season. But it is overall number star amazing. They aren't actually before we get there. You talked about the the offense. I want to do this stat. So Russell Westbrook's only played two hundred and twenty minutes this year. Okay. Sees offensive rating is one twelve point six, you know, that that doesn't use any of the filters or anything else like that. But when twelve sixes, you know, that's fine. You're you're not freaking out for team as a one twelve offensive rating to be sure. And then when Russell Westbrook is on the bench, which is a higher proportion their minutes so far about ninety eight offensive rating. So that's not great. And that gets into something we should. And I it's he's a really. Interesting example of a couple of different kind of logical problems, some McCollum fallacies. I don't I don't really wanna go that far with it. And one is this idea that people remember good games a lot longer than bad games. Like every once in a while. I just get crap from fans when he plays really well, and and it's going to happen. Dennis shooter is not a bad basketball player. He is just an inefficient basketball player who is generally not playing at that level. But he will have very good games. Obviously he did pretty well in their win against Houston game that that the brackets looked pretty ragged in and he helps tribute to that. But and shooter scoring eighteen points gives do people like what you time. He's scoring eighteen points a game as a starter. That's a start number his he's actually not scoring not much less when he's coming off the bench because he's playing a lot. But eighteen points a game looks and feels different when somebody's forty-seven true shooting and twenty nine percent usage. And sure his true shooting percentage. Like as a starter is way down because he's only shooting sixteen percent from three in those games. But it's not his overall efficiency. Is right in line with his career stuff. Even though is three point ball hasn't been there as much and so what you're getting from sugar. And and he's been I would say when I've watched he's been better defensively than he was most time with hawks. But it's not like, I don't think they flip a switch with him. And he's all of a sudden the guy that I had higher in on draft where it's the most people because I liked his defense potential. So they've needed to have somebody when Westbrook has been out not only those I do games. But then also, you know now that he's missing additional time. But shooter is not just a player in the abstract. He is a player who has his own wants and needs who is also getting paid eleven and a half million this year next year in the year after knows compete, fifteen million fifteen million fifteen and a half million. I blacked out four million out of kindness. Well, and I mean, that's the thing. Right. If the answer is, hey, would you rather have a waived Carmelo Anthony under books for nine million this year? Or would you rather have dentist shooter on your team shirt? You'd rather have shooter like infected backup point guard. I think but he's also making fifteen and a half million himself and then. Oh, yeah. You're bumper. Also had two first round pick to get him. Right now. We felt in his actually probably been even worse than he is. You know, they've had under some really bad runs when he's been on the floor. And in fact, it was when he was out there that they really got killed against Dallas, particularly by Dallas backups. So you know, and Felton could just be done. He's thirty four. This year has really surprising that he's been able to be as effective as long as he has been frankly. And so, you know, they did really need backup point guard. And know, I think he's feeling a whole there. But you know, for to say even shoot were playing really well this year, which you know, he's I think he's gotten better defensively deserves credit for that. But you know, his close outs. He's a little bit more engaged defensively than he was as the main engine of terrible hawks team us your. But even if he was playing pretty well. So far this year. He's having a few good games. That doesn't the whole reason why we thought it was a bad idea to get him to do it. Number one. You had to give up a draft pick to do that in the vet that he's making fifteen point five million. And he's still probably over. Repaid on that contract. And there was no one else. Really? I think who was going to be giving up a first round pick for him. And so at the very least maybe it could have been a second to get him or something like that. But it was just and they did pay the hawks money to take on Carmelo salary for this year and avoid having distrust him, so that's part of the price for shooter as well. But I think the the hawks were static to get off of shooter. And also get a first-round pick at the same time. So we'll see we're not going to know. And really, you know, the reason you get Schreuder is for the playoffs. Right. All right. You might keep them afloat. Okay. When Westbrook is out. But if they lose in the first run again, they could lost in the first round without shooter and not had to give up a first round pick and not head his contract on the books going forward. So it's way too early to say because he's had a few good games that like, oh, no we're such morons for saying that those bad trade for them. Like, you're not really going to know until twenty twenty two probably. But certainly at least like, you know, let's see if you like really helps them where they're trying to get better in the playoffs. And I think that the big criticism of that move initially was will can he play next to Westbrook in a closing lineup in a playoff game. Because you're paying fifteen point five million each probably be able to do that. And I think the early returns are that that will not be the case against most teams. Additionally, if they were trying to get off of money, they could have done that in a lot of different ways other than taking on a guy who's getting paid more over the next three years than they owed, Carmelo Anthony like they could have maybe you don't get off the full twenty seven million maybe the hawk back ten or how their bunch of different ways that could have happened. But and maybe you give you give up a less protected. I 'cause that when that they gave up is I believe it's twenty one to thirty. If it's in that range of the hawks get it, otherwise, it's seconds or something like that. But again, there are there other ways if that was the goal to do it and backup point guard is something, you know, there is supply. There's imperfect supply, but Dennis shooter is imperfect supply to so I'm happy that he's doing well, you know, that he's had some better that he's doing wells overstating it that he's had some better games and we'll go through. But I think that's a good transition. Oh, now's your thing. You want to talk about Ferguson. All that. Right. Well, I I just thought is good to see him in that Dallas game using his f- lettuce is a little bit more and he flew in for try to get some tip dunks. He's been hitting the offense of glass with more when he gets out in transition. It's breathtaking how far away from the rim. He's able to take off. Now, he missed the layup. Of course when he did that. But I mean, it's just there's so many guys who are these amazing leaper and just don't actually jump very often. You know, you could put injure weakens in that category journal green was someone who's in that category. And part of the reason why actually pretty decent in last year's playoffs was started jumping more, you know, an actually like playing with more effort. So he's he's a guy who has some physical skills, and, you know, use been development has been retarded by the fact that he is so skinny and gotten a little better, but not amazingly better. But I think the big worry is just that he takes a few shots, but little baby steps here. He's certainly under the microscope. Some as far as. On this team is not being set up for anything other than just a wide open spot up three. So I don't know. I mean, the numbers on have been really bad so far. And you know, I'm not sure that he's really a great defensive player at this point in time to due to the lack of strength though. He does try. But you know, he's got a three point four PR. And he's doing that. Terrible. Double we should come up with with someone to name that after by the way, the like really low usage ten point five percent in his case. And also like terrible true shooting as well. Yeah. That can be a project of ours for the next year. We'll take some suggestions for that on Twitter actually of who which I mean, that's symbolic of all references. You know, the the Trenton hassle, you know, like one of these. They're definitely some guys who've been out there that do not shoot the ball. Well, and have really low usage also. But no, I mean, I think overall is probably too negative on the thunder. The shooter thing was on my mind because like we've kind of been getting these comments about it. Yeah. I mean, their defense is awesome. I think that's that's an important thing to understand. And I think our to restate, and I think Paul George has taken on a little bit more of the burden which has been which has been good. I would say overall it's not necessarily and every game thing, but he's had some some real good performances out there, and then I wondered about Jeremy grants fit in in the starting lineup. I thought it was more like e starting because they don't really have anybody else. And I mean did offensively. There is still some still some concerns there. Just because he is a more willing three point shooter at this point which is good, but he's still not making fun of him. But I mean defensively been absolutely monstrous with him and Adams together. And you think about that the success that this team is had so far when Russell Westbrook has played less than half of their minutes. That's pretty striking who's moved out to the Mavs four and eight two and four in their last six they're negative three point three net rating is twenty first in the NBA. They do if he fourteenth ranked offense though that is a massive improvement from last year, but the defense has been pretty disappointing one twelve defensive rating is twenty fourth and they project for twenty eight. Wins which put them thirteenth in the Western Conference. And there's a lot of things you can say about this team. But I just wanted to talk about what Luca Danni is doing so far here. This isn't going to be the full breakdown that he richly deserves. But just some things that have stood out. I mean, I think he's been everything that we hoped he would be so far. Would you agree with that? Yeah. I I've been the thing. That's been most surprising to me is that his scoring touch is better than I expected early on. I thought he would have to kinda weren the NBA differences a little bit more than he has. Yeah. Now, his shooting feels a little bit fluky yummy. He is a very talented maker. But right now, he's seventeen thirty five on Florida's his floater looked so good, especially if it's kind of short range one I mean like the piece that he plays with. I think part of why so good on the floaters is just that part of the reason why a floater is such a difficult shot is that most guys are going pretty fast, you're going towards the rim. And when you're not jumping straight up and down you have to just kind of just for like, okay? I'm moving forward. I can't shoot the shot with Naw. Normal strength that I would because I'm already moving forward. But then it's going to push it to far. So I have to shoot it a little bit softer. But how much softer to shoot it based on how quickly I'm going forward? And you know, sometimes you're going forward, really fast. You might be going forward at a different speed than you. Normally are. It's just so much less consistent overshot than just a normal jump shot where it's like, okay. I know the distance. I am this is how hard I have to shoot it. They're just more variables involved that you just you have to adjust for in your head. But the guys the best coordination your Mike Conley's, your Steph Curry's can do that. And I think Lucas looking like he's kind of in that category. But part of the reason I think that the floaters are easier for him is that he plays it such a deliberate pace, and he's able to shoot over the top of guys who are smaller who regarding guarding him and use his body to create space and feel comfortable that he's kind of at the same speed every time he shoots that floater. And he's doing it pretty slow and really the slower you're going. I think the easier it is to shoot that shot. Like Russell Westbrook. For example, has terrible. Floater like Brandon Ingram, a terrible, Florida. Those guys who are kind of always going one hundred miles an hour towards the rim and Lucas the opposite of that. He just he'll slowdown. He's got a lot of Gordon Hayward in his game as well where he can euro step. And then just once he's kind of slowed down. It's really hard. When the other guy is going slow to jump and time your job, and then he's able to use his height because he's larger than a lot of the guys that are guarding him. It's also look pretty good finishing around the room. That was something that was a concern of. But you know, he's totally good there for rookie a twenty one out of thirty four so over sixty percent there. And and getting the linings been not amazing but good enough, you know, twenty eight percent free throw rate for rookie rookies usually don't get to the line that much. I think he drew a lot of bullshit vials, especially like europhiles in transition or just you know, kind of rule bending fouls. That were just you know, he wasn't really getting an advantage and forcing them to follow. Just oh you put your hand in. I'm going to kind of draw the call, but he hasn't really been getting those kind of. But he's been getting enough for rookie. I think that's something that he's going to get better that and then the other thing this is probably the biggest thing I think is going to regress. It's got fifty eight points on fifty to jump shots off the dribble and all of those shots are difficult. I mean, some of the stuff back said he's hitting and hitting three ridiculous when he's shooting forty percent from three and more than half of his shots are off the dribble and probably at least half of those shots that are off the dribble are step backs. And so I don't know that he can continue to shoot that while I mean, even in Europe, you know, he was thirty four percents taking some very difficult attempts as well, these these attempts overall probably aren't quite as difficult for. But it could also be better as well. But that's probably the biggest thing I think will regress defensively, you know. It's not great. I mean, if he gets switched up onto somebody like Dennis shooter just blew by him in the late clock. Just had his hips turn no real attempts or a ability to get in front. You'll see him get blown by quite a few times. He's trying. I don't think he's like, he's got some pretty decent smarts. But I think he's going to remain a liability on that. End even in the regular season. And then you know, if these guys get into a playoff series, I think he could end up being severely targeted there. But he's we knew that was going to be the case about him. We've I think I mean is there anything that is disappointed about him? So far to you. I can't really think of anything to be honest, not at the top of my head. I mean, he did have some turnover shoes at one point. But I just you know, I think I'm largely I mean these at twenty percent right now, first of all that something that often tones down, you know, except for Angela Russell most young guys the ball in their hands. All the time turn the ball over more earlier in their career. But I wanted to throw another theory at you with Dodge's folder game. And this is an idea I've had before which is that guys who are really good passers might get a little bit more space for their floater. Because if it's kind of that too on one situation like that he you're so worried that he's going to pass the ball to somebody else that you're not contesting zealously because if you go out, and then you're probably making a different choice. And so he might just have a little bit more real estate as you mentioned he's taller than a guy like trae young. So he doesn't need as much to to get to get off. So people have to make them more explicit choice. If they wanna really contest voters. I think there's a lot to that theory, especially when you consider who is big saw, right? Like, the big is not coming over and making him rush that shot usually it's going to be the guy who was initially guarding him who's in the picture because of the gravity of de'andre or or if he happens be playing with Dwight Powell, mostly with the Andre the big always wants to step back and Lucas not coming at the rim, so hard that. It's like, oh, GATT gotta come over and help really hard here. I mean, he hasn't had that many assists. So far is four point five assists. But they've a lot other guys who do stuff here with the ball in their hands. So that's not the end of the what a few other notes on these guys that I thought one thing does the Luca related note. But I thought we saw how you know. Because the thought was all right. He's okay. Sees planning against Paul George George the assignment on him quite a bit. I always could be able to be Paul George like Paul George with these sort of long athletic defender in so George was out on the floor. Denying o'casey does a lot of that. He wanted to go to to Diego. And basically as soon as George stepped out tonight. I mean, cut backdoor and got a nice backdoor force Halbe and set up an open three on the other side is able to use just an example of how he can continue to be successful even guarded by a pretty athletic player by using his smarts. And you know, he's going to struggle against guys with a lot of length and a lot of quickness, you know, he's not like kicking Paul George is asked all the time. But I thought that was just an example of like, you know, the type of brain that he has as a guy who's like basically just turned nineteen here. A couple of other things for them. Harrison Barnes is really struggling. You know, he came back from that hamstring and we've seen him come back from kind of long term injuries before and really struggle in two thousand fifteen sixteen really the only other big injury of his career think he at a high ankle sprain missed about a month and really was not himself for quite some time. After that arguably that even ruined a nearly his entire season there a Barnes right now. And remember, you know, he's a guy who's doing a lot of. Damage on offense forty-nine percent shooting nine point one PR. He's still shooting. Plenty twenty three percent usage. That's about what you would think. He'd even turning the ball over more. And we just we haven't seen him get featured as much and that that's been part of it. Right. I mean for a couple of years now they haven't had any offense of options. And so so much of what they did was are small small pick and roll get the switch through to him at the elbow. Whoever will use to be guarding JJ berets on them. Now. Let him go to work you get to that mid ranger and a lot of it was built around him. And we haven't seen that so much. I think that with Smith with dungeon in particular. Now, the hope is that he could go into back into more of a role like he had in Golden State, but still has been able to hit shots hasn't been comfortable quite yet there and they actually went on a huge run in the first half against. Okay. See with Dory. Infant swift. Who's who's been fantastic so far Smith who are finished with? I should say there are real questions about whether you ever going to be able to make shot in this league after summer league two years ago. And then he missed nearly all last year with a quad issue. And he looks very very comfortable shooting the three it's still very early as eighteen out of forty. But it wouldn't surprise me if that's close more threes than he made all last year. And you know, the even was like coming off a screen shooting at three me, just look so much better and more comfortable taking that shot than he did in the past. That's really encouraging and he's a guy who has a lot of defensive potential and complete the forties. Twenty five this year. This is his third year in the league's will be restricted after the season not gonna do much other than make open threes. But with his defense, I think he can give them something. If he continues to shoot like this. He can. And you ask how close this is the last year eighteen this year twenty last year. Yup. So yeah, he's getting pretty pretty close that line. Also wanna make prevention we could on Trimble by more later. Maxi Cleveland is one of my favorite like under the radar players to watch in the league. And I mean, he did a lot of fun things the most memorable being that dunk on Julius Randle, which was just awesome. And the. Thing. It's been surprised that like he his block rate this year three point six hundred possessions. And yeah, obviously, he's not gonna play hundred possessions in a game. But if he two point seven thirty six minutes, he's just been getting after it and the game against okay, see was pretty strong example that paid four blocks in the first quarter in that game. The latest on Dirk Nowitzki. He was on the Mavs broadcast in this game. He said that he just continued to have setbacks with the tendon is tell you about his achilles tendon when he tries to ramp up his activity, and we'd get swelling. And so they've just had to be extremely conservative. The hope is that he can do some more running this week maybe like engage in some controlled practice situations of. But I mean it really especially at his age. You're kind of uncharted territory trying to come back from a surgery, and I think he's just he's frustrated that he doesn't know exactly how his body is going to respond when he tries to ramp up the activity, and it seems like for a lot of guys Mike Conley. A has had this a couple of times as well. Oh, where it was soreness in this achilles. Tendon that you just it's very tricky. And you have to ramp up your Tiffany, very slowly to avoid getting more inflammation. Where do you want to go next year? I guess we still gotta talk Lakers kings before we go. Yeah. So let's do those to the Sacramento Kings are seven and six two and three since the last fifteen sixty there negative one point six rating puts them twentieth. Their twenty first offense a still impressive fifteenth and defense fivethirtyeight projects seven have twenty wins which tied them for thirteenth in the Western Conference and still I mean, Sacramento, even if it lost a few more games they've been more consistent game in game out competitive than I I ever expected is moving in the time before they got down to fight back. But even now and a lot of different guys have been stepping up which has been encouraging foremost among those the has been deer and FOX, and we'll do a full breakdown improbably later on. But I think it's clear that he is playing by far the best right now of any of those twenty seventeen drought point. Guards who were selected in the top nine. And he to be quite honest. I wasn't down on him by any means. But I thought he was probably going to be the worst of those four guys ball Foltz Smith and FOX in any clearly has been the best so far and jump shot looks. But I mean, he's actually showing more confidence getting even to some step Bax. You know, he's really been so key for them with his ability to run and push the pace which has been a big component of their offense. And one thing I want to say about FOX so far we'll do the video now since later, but he's getting to the line a ton this year, and that's a massive difference. So last year if you want to do it per thirty six minutes three point five free throw attempts per game this year seven free throw attempt is basically doubled and he's not getting ten shots at the rim. But if you're not going to get shots the rim, but you're kidding fouled. All the time. It's fine. And he's also taking twenty three percent of his shots from three and hitting forty one percent of those now, I think that's probably going to go down to some degree. Yeah. Yeah. I hate to. Rain on the parade. Though, you made a good point. We're talking yesterday that their upcoming schedule looks pretty rough and while certainly their fundamental. They've had some nice winds or teams interior. They weren't supposed to be so nice road. Winds of you know, their point differential is is pretty much right about where they are as as a five hundred team. But it doesn't the schedule is going to be pretty hard for really the next month. Or so the next game that San Antonio started that Sacramento place. I'm thinking about this because bring San Antonio on Monday next game they play against a team that is not in the playoff mix. So that doesn't necessarily. I mean, you don't know who's gonna make is December fourth when they play Philly or starphoenix Phillies in the plant. Thanks. So a lot of good teams. A lot of road games. Like ATM Memphis at Houston back to back and even some of their some of their home games. You're sitting there going, oh, maybe they could win that. And I'm not saying they're going to lose all these games. They aren't the win a couple of. But that will be a way for them to fall back to earth, and they already have a little bit. I mean there one win in the last four was that game against Minnesota which helped. Feels Jimmy Butler trade and that team leave. There's a lot of great writing. How they've been on the brink. Will we've talked about them on Saturdays podcast. We'll do that again soon enough. So yeah, I mean, the Sacramento, I think they are definitely better than I expected like there was this idea about how many tears are there at the bottom of the league. And I think they're they moved up in that better more than I expected, which is a very good thing for them moving forward. And I wanted to see how the Lakers game. I how you thought that affected your approach on this team yet was worrisome that they really struggled to score. Now part of that was just good shooters missing open shots. And I think also reintegrating bogdonovich has been a little bit of a struggle. He's coming back from injury. So he's not going to be perfect right away, buddy healed in particular who has shot the ball. Very well as a king heads of wide open ones in the third quarter that maybe could have changed the game though. They ended up alternately getting blown out in that game by the Lakers. They still really just don't have anybody other than FOX on the team who can beat their man like when. Elites tries to put it on the floor. It's just just can't get by his guy. No matter who it is a, and, you know, Frank Mason isn't going to be able to get to the basket and finish the do end up with a lot of mid Rangers. They take some pretty difficult three pointers, but not enough three pointers overall. You know, again, it's just a lack of penetration because they do have guys who can shoot the three weeks of FOX's shooting more. You know, they usually have either healed or bogdonovich out there. Those guys are pretty good shooters Justin Jackson firearm up Shumpert actually has been shooting reasonably well, though, he's come back to earth a little bit delete says out there at the four. They played Bagley. Summit the five as well. I think they've been doing more of that lately with Harry Giles who not in the rotation any longer. He was actually just assigned to these Stockton kings Costa kudos is okay on defense still. But he is just a really awful often to player at this point is pick and roll guy. I mean, he the best shot. He's gonna get as a roll man is like a floater from the free throw line, which is newsflashes not a great shot. So when he was out there, you know, they'd throw in the ball, and it just would kind of die. You know when you catch the ball? With the free throw line and just didn't really have an opening. And then I think another thing that's been underrated weakness for this team that I just don't see getting any better as their defensive rebounding. They call he Stein isn't like the earliest box out guide delete is way below average rebounders four he can't get off the ground. And then, you know, they're playing basically, they don't really have any three men on the team, and they're really small at just about every position except for center. So and FOX, you know, he's not a great rebounder. They got Mason dot great rebounder healed by Donovan, it's like these guys are just not great on the glass. So they they really got hurt by Tyson Chandler some in that Lakers going pretty good offensive rebounding team. So I don't know like it does seem like a little bit smoke and mirrors here to be as good as they are in a lot of it's dependent on the pace too. I think that's something that teams can kind of be more prepared for as time goes on and the kings kinda just get that reputation as being zoning pushes the pace of. But you know, they certainly like the important thing for them is that FOX looks good. They can take solace in that. They can take less than the fact that they picked Malva Bagley over Luca Dutch, although Bagley did have one move where he actually went to his left shoulder in the post. It was a fadeaway jump shot. But you know, there's a little bit of progress at least shot with his left hand to at least turned that way up. But it doesn't seem like Bagley as anywhere close to really contributing at that positive level for them. What it's good that. They're actually playing bag laid center, which I think is the end game with him. I mean, maybe I don't know where he slots in there like where he ends up as a Senator. But defensively it's much more natural fed it ties in with the parts of defense that he's better at and unless his lateral quick get way better I would expect that final position and they had a lot of centers. I mean, collie Stein. Kufo. Zeba who's basically non existent in the rotation? And I think sometimes that leads to guys getting put in weird spots. I mean, we're seeing this a little bit with Jaren Jackson junior. Not that I'm criticizing Memphis is doing with him. But it just it's a good example of like a guy getting put it. In a weird peg Aaron Gordon had this admit various moments in his career. And at a certain juncture, if somebody is your most important piece to evaluate you wanna put them in the place that is most presentative of what they're going to be doing. Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest people who can't be happy about this are Celtics since they have that unprotected kings pick. But we'll see where they end up at the end of the year. Obviously those the the lottery reform as well. It's not unprotected its top one protected while but but as far as the kings are concerned. Yes, some yet. Yes. Yeah. I know probably I mean, they'll be indifferent to losing later on the season. But I mean, they have a lot of guys. I think they'll they'll end up. Probably pulling some games out. I haven't looked at their April schedule yet. But I'm sure that's going to be something that happens anything else. A number want to move to the Los Angeles, Lakers shoot. What do you got for them? The Lakers are seven and six after winning on Sunday night against Atlanta in a very bizarre game. And they're five and two since last fifteen sixty plus one point two and net rating actually moved down after winning a game. Which is kinda funny there. Fourteenth in net rating thirteenth offense and sixteenth and defense. So they've actually been sliding on offense and moving up on defense, which is interesting for few reasons projected wins forty six which would tie them for six in the west. I think it's three teams at the moment, we're recording this that five thirty s projected for six seven eight, and I'll talk just briefly in that game was my secondary for a lot of a lot of the day. But the Lakers what was so weird to me? And I'm gonna just need to keep an eye on this is that I mentioned in the Denver section that their offense. Look really stagnant late. There were a lot of plays in the later push in this game. Remember at latest is awful. Like, this is not a team that is challenging they have a lot of places that you can attack. They don't really like they could have gone after trae young they could have gone after mar Spelman lots of different things and a lot of it ended up being in the late portion this game. Let's all stand around and watch LeBron. And while a lot of LeBron teams end up doing that. And we're getting to a point with him kind of like with Russell Westbrook where it's like if you see the same players teams look similarly in similar situations. With different coaches in different teams. Maybe there's something else that's going on. But it's just so bizarre because it just think they're going. This isn't what's good for LeBron either? Lebron is you know, he's passing maestro. He's the best passer of his generation get some ball movement. Get some people movement like just give him windows. So we can do things, and I just I get angry watching them in the last three minutes games because they could be doing more than they're doing. Yeah. And LeBron isn't even really attacking, you know. And I thought early on in the season they had some more ball movements up to try to get him at the elbow. But in these end a game situations and just overall in isos, the number one that doesn't really seem like they're doing much to get smaller players onto him. But then even when he has the matchup against guys that just can't deal with him at all your hued have a matchup, for example, in the kings game against I can't remember who it was now a thought ahead of my notes, but I don't think it was a really to 'em. You just goes to a step back three with ten on the shot clock. And you know, he can hit that shot. To his left. But it's like the reason you're LeBron James is because you can beat demand UP elites off the dribble and force help and threw a pass. I think the numbers here are really telling he's only in the thirty six percentile and isos scoring. And then when you include his passes, you're there, even lower than that twenty seventh percentile, you know, and they're not many of the shots as a small sample to be sure. And part of the problem has been the spacing to when he's driven. He hasn't really done that what he's only got twenty two points on twenty five possessions to drive to the rim. But you remember how like when they first sign LeBron. And then it was like, oh, yeah. You know, we're gonna get playmakers for him. So that he can get the ball in the post, which didn't really make much sense. Because as soon as you throw to in the posts in those playmakers become just more guys, we can't shoot. But the news is going to post up only twenty posts up possessions all season that's less than two a game days, actually, finishing the most. He's been very effective on those. But you it's really been more lately. Pick and roll I so and and there have been times when they put shooting. Run that he's absolutely destroyed everyone in those situations, but Ethan was talking about this the other day that he just he has not been this irresistible force for the even offense ably young just as not been and because of his brain, and because of his is because of his passing ability, you know, he's still very effective player, and he's going to be a very effective player for a long time. But he just doesn't seem to be just this unstoppable. Force at the end of games. Like we've seen in the last couple of years in particular last year. Yeah. Me last year that Cleveland team what pushed them from being even though they ended up with a shaky record. What kept them alive was being amazing in clutch games, and a lot of that credit had gone to the combination of LeBron Kyrie in the past and Kyrie was gone. So a lot of that went on LeBron and defensively he's been, you know, more miss than hit. I would say overall and sure you could be optimistic that that will come in and later, but this is also a team that at least this year, probably not moving depending on what they get in free agency. That probably isn't going to be playing for a title. So yeah, he will ramp it up, but remember like in the twenty sixteen NBA finals when they won and LeBron was spectacular. I thought for the first couple of games that finals he was still coasting a little bit. And then he really kicked it in. I think somewhere around game three, and if they need if they're going to make a run this year the Lakers need that LeBron from the first game of the first round. The good news, though, is that they've been defending much better. We noted that when they signed Tyson Chandler how much better they had been playing when they had a true center, and that was jovial who doesn't have the greatest defensive history, but has played pretty well as the Laker. And that they just hemorrhaged points when they didn't have true center in the game will now they've tightened the Jenner. He's played three games with the team. His defensive rating is eighty nine point three. That's what they do with him on the floor and then overall defensive rating ninety seven point four in the three games that includes some garbage time. But in games with they've been well below appoint per possession anytime one of those two centers. Is on the floor. They've ultimate killing the offensive glass. Three five percent, offensive rebounds. In the last three game to Chandler has been a big part of that. But yeah. And I mean that swung a couple of these games. I mean, the the big offense of rebounds that he had in his debut were huge. And then he had five against the hawks which ended up giving them a couple of extra possessions and indicate decided by one point all of those matter. Yeah. So we'll see mean they have won three in a row now, they haven't beaten anyone to awesome. The schedule. Also has got newsroom they had a pretty tough schedule in the beginning of the year. You know, there weren't really any easy breaks for them in the beginning of the year fuel notes from this kings game. I think that you know, cow Calcutta is just rounding up parts of his game. Just a little bit. You know, he's he was really bad defensively last year, but you'll see him. He's not amazing now, but you'll see him actually, you know, make some place he'll get out on the floor denying a little bit. And then offense. He's thrown a few days past the really nice Allieu when he drove baseline and and through to Chandler for a tip. And so just there's little tiny things that you're seeing in his game where it's just becoming. More of a winning player. More of a guy who is going to do more than just put up his own stats, which you know, he's certainly is capable of doing. He hasn't had as many chances to create on his own this year, but he's still managed to play pretty well. Rhonda's standstill three really like it's getting to the point where actually expected to go in a reasonable amount. Now, it doesn't look to take that shot that much, but when he's just left wide open. I don't think you could just straight up leave him anymore. Now that means like when you throw the ball to you probably need to close out. You can't just stand under the rim that doesn't mean don't help off of him because he's still looking to take that shot. But you gotta at least close out him. And then when he drives, you know, he's not necessarily going to kill you. There contiguous call. We'll pope against the kings. I didn't see what happened against the hawks. But against the kings us actually playing more than Josh heart, and everyone is killing that contract one year twelve million as like, oh, man. You know, that's just the LeBron clutch sports gift, but no actually Casey P one year twelve million based on how he played last year other than the. One year or the one month years under house arrest actually is like was a really good player and this year. He can't hit a shot. He's head that knee tendinitis that he's dealt with Alta campy isn't brought the same energy in transition. He's been the one guy hasn't really benefited that much. He used to be a guy who could really get out for some flying dunks and transition. We haven't seen that from him is confidence with his jumper. Looks way off a so I think that's hurt them. And you know, they've gone to this jumbo starting lineup now without either heart or KC p in the game. I think that'd probably because they're so big the spacing isn't great. But they also have a little more versatility. There at times aiding else you understand these guys at all just briefly. I want to keep an eye on two things written Ingram. He's only played in. You know, it's a small sample size for him because he was suspended and missed missed a series game. Because that he's three point a temporary is barely higher than last year. He's sixteen percent of his shots as opposed to fourteen percent last year both of those crazy low in so far this year. He did have six attempts from the line tonight. But free throw temporary does also lower than it was either of his first two years. Some of that could be the the weird spacing and some some of the figuring out the land of stuff here but Ingram, I think has the biggest adjustment of any of the Lakers young guys to make playing with Laurent just because of what he did. Well last year, and I'm just going to need to keep an eye on how that process is going. Well, and here's the other big problem for him forty eight percent from two, but that's just not good enough for him. And he's just like he just has to find a way to get easier shots like a turnaround contested ranger out of the post for Brandon Ingram is not a good shot for this team. They have too many other guys who can attack on this team now. And so he's got to be able to find something else to do. And I think you know, when he's gotten the ball at the three point line. Like I haven't seen him just like passing up shots. It just seems like he's like not really standing there that much like like I haven't noticed. They just throw it to him at the three point line. And he's just like not willing to shoot. Like, he's been really aggressive is just he's not doesn't seem to be receiving the ball in that position for what? Ever reason? So we'll see I mean, he also he sprained his ankle against the kings on Saturday night. He's also kinda struggled through his career with little nagging things here and there so I mean, I still feel like these guys, you know, that forty six wind production from five thirty eight year that seems just about right where they're headed to me. But I. See them getting better. There is good. See LeBron star play better. I could see them certainly hit more shots. You know, overall the team they're thirty five percent from three they got thirty eight three-pointers tonight, which is you know, they haven't really been that low in three pointed temporary. And so I think the shooting issues are a little bit overblown. I mean, you know, we pointed to that obviously, it'd be great if they had a ton more shooting the shootings gonna manifesting itself. More than just the way LeBron is playing in his numbers, maybe than anything else. Yeah. And we're gonna I think get some clarification between now and the next time we record on them because while it's only a small trip, and it's not like opponents are star studded they have at Orlando then at Miami on a back to back and then at Cleveland, and so those are all teams they should handle Miami. Their defense can give some team can give a lot of teams trouble. But if they struggled through those games and pull them out if then that's one thing if they lose one or two of them dig out a little bit differently. And while they're going to the Lakers are going to look meaningfully different in March than they do right now because of the suspension. And all the weird stuff with his team. I I wanna get a better sense of who they are even just at this moment. So maybe that Sunday game against Miami will be one that I watch closely. All right. Well, the good news for you. As listeners is when we split up the fifteen and sixty we end up talking about these teams for a lot longer. So this is our thirty recording time probably will longer once we are shorter. Once we cut out the the silences ending yards. Talk about voivode any all reiterate Jimmy Butler. Steph, not only our podcast. I wrote a CBS center piece on it for the and if you haven't listened to it yet, I released on Friday podcast time have stroke for real jam radio. And we ended up talking about his Steph curry piece, and then a lot about kind of where offense and defense in the trade offs are going an interesting conversation that that type of thing that doesn't necessarily happen. A lot on podcasts because it's just not time sensitive is where the league is going right now. And so if you wanna kinda here our thoughts on that you can check it out. Yeah. Looking forward to listening to that one probably on the way to work on Tuesday. Actually, don't get as much time to listen to other podcasts as I might like. And what are we doing the Tricia? Thursday this week for warriors at rockets that is the plan. Yeah. So hopefully Korea will be back for them to though, it might be a better game. If he's not I have a feeling he won't be though. The kind of just seems like the way I I'm guessing I'm guessing that he'll be somewhere somewhere shortly after especially because that games on the tail end of back to back. So we'll see. So be played in the front end November twenty ninth is the one I wanted to be back for at raptors. All right. Well, thanks for listening. We'll talk to you all probably Tuesday night. We'll be back again. Then you must love hoops. If you're enjoying another great episode of dumped on the lockdown podcast network has more hoops for you. Locked on has a podcast on every NBA team. If you're a Lakers fan a bucks fan Celtics fan or a Mavericks fan. The lockdown podcast network has a daily podcast on your favorite team. All thirty NBA teams have daily podcast at locked on. 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HR 1: Among Legends!

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

39:41 min | 7 months ago

HR 1: Among Legends!

"Hey. Z Zero Seven, ten, ESPN I did rebound from the goose egg but still trailing, we'll see what happens. Tonight. We all have the raiders game tonight. So so right George. He's so right Greg Citizen One thousand nine eleven, different different incarnations. To Happen Yeah last I checked it felt Like he was making it up, he was going on I. Mean he talked about I got an excel sheet a spreadsheet it should do know it can't do the math i. don't even know what to tell you basically. screwing up radio because math is too hard right clearly clearly, that case Greg do you have anything to save yourself before we get into what's important which is Anthony Davis shot I basically, I just screwed up Laura's perfect record a big big monster moment for this Lakers team L Z I can't express how huge a win that was because look we've seen this movie before team up sixteen on the Denver Nuggets and bad things happen to team that's up sixteen points. Anthony Davis channeled his inner Kobe and even yelled it so much so that he talked about Kobe. Bryant's influence after the game anthony after you hit the shot looked like under the mouth Koby. Not. One your you're feeling and. I did. You. Know I mean obviously wearing jerseys He He's been countless. Shots like that you know to win games Playoffs. Finals. So. There you go. Mike Trudell asking that question he channeled his inner Kobe. The Lakers won for a third time wearing the BLACK MAMBA UNIFORMS L Z the world is back on its access, and by the way the Lakers now have control. At one one, you breathe life into that nuggets team. We've been processing this as a sports community as a Laker nation for almost twenty four hours. So am I going to get into you know the shod or or you know what it meant for the series or anything like that because everyone knows. When I'M GONNA get into is the fact that. This LAKER team. has so much talent. That is not necessarily being respected. It's almost irritating to me. Now Georgia listen to the broadcast. is almost irritating to me to listen to like the. Guys talk about who's on our roster during halftime before after games, you know because they really characterize it as. Lebron AD in a bunch of dudes and is not right that. We got dogs on the squad to. and. There's no greater dog in my opinion then regime Rondo. Who assiduously looked off someone in the conversation for greatest of all time. To make what he felt was the better play to your point very few people don't want else on that roster has that kind of cachet as an inbound or a passer overlooking essence Lebron in that situation other than Rondo. Well that is true. But what's also true is that they had be culture in that locker room where that sort of pass in that moment was. And they weren't paralyzed paralyzed. By, the dynamics this was. This was a toxic locker room. This ego driven locker room. He's throwing ill pass to a double Lebron James and then situation because Lebron would required him to make sure he got the last shot. Instead. They don't have that kind of locker room George they got the locker room where a a made man with a chip like Rondo can be trusted to make the best play this rot when Lebron said we built different. This is what he's talking about. It's not just about the superstar play. It's about can you pass it a Steve Kerr in this moment and trust? He's GonNa come through. If. Can you pass it a Robert? oreo deficient as moment and trust that he's GonNa come through. I think last night. Wasn't so much about what a can do because. We already know what Ab can do. He's a top five player with a p. e.. R.. Among the all time greats, we already knew what he could do. But we didn't know was that we have a roster that's built up with a bunch of dogs that trust each other from the top down so that Lebron James can be overlooked for another player in that situation, the postseason and all be good. Yes, Basho. Well, what I would say there's a difference between and the way I would argue it is there is a difference between. Having. Superstars and guys who also know the role on the team hence being a team full of role players now look sometimes that doesn't work out L. Z. But when you're the only team that has to top five players on your roster this season, it allows those role guys to really buy into what they're doing and really have to focus on what their job responsibilities are. And maximize their potential in those particular roles, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think that that in essence is the epitome of what a team should be and what a team should strive to be. But I I'll give even more props to Rondo in this situation Lord knows over the last two seasons. I haven't given all that many of them but who called him trash? I. Don't know about trash I don't think that far. Recyclable like using that particular word when it comes to the players but. I did think that he was I thought he was done. And he looked on a lot of times here over the last two seasons. However, that has not been the case here and. What else as I'll add this? He asked to come in the game he was not sobriety to be the original inbounder. That not enough people are talking about you know you and I school, we can talk about him. I mean passing up Lebron I don't WanNa say overlooking because that comes across the wrong way but passing up a pass to Lebron for Anthony Davis because he feels that Anthony Davis is got the better opportunity but the fact that he went to Vogel and said, Hey. I need to get in there. Give me the chance to inbounded and Vogel's like yeah. Okay. Let's do it. Yeah, I mean because. He's a top ten. All time assists in the playoffs, right? He's got a moniker that he didn't have to make up Paul George. He's got a real modern that other people made up for him right in these moments. Yeah. He's proven it in these moments. He's looked cagey and Paul Pierce, and ray out in the face in addition to an anthony demarcus cousins and said, this is what you need to do. Like. He's just he's different. Yeah. But let can't express enough how important is to have a locker room where you can have that kind of. Freedom. To do something like that without fear of repercussions because the fear repercussions would cause you not to do that and make a bad paths for the most part these guys get along. Now that's not to say that there's not inviting occasionally that happens when you're with A. Group of missile I hate Greg Morales but we still work right exactly. That's my point. And Look I know that some people have been saying, Oh, well, you know the Mason plumlee situation really gave them an opportunity to hit that shot and Blah Blah Blah and here's what I would say first of all Mason plumlee is getting blamed for stuff and Richard Jefferson to did a really good job on the jump today highlighting this because everyone is just seeing that play being run but what the jump showed today was right before that play was run is a shot of Mason plumlee telling Jeremy Grant what he should be doing. And then Jeremy Grant freezing really was the guy in that situation because plumlee went to Lebron, which is it sounds like what they had communicated and rent did not go out to show against a D. Poor Yokich to run all the way over from inbound, and still by the way had a good Katie rest on on that shot. So for all the talk about lucky because of the mishap on. Even. If you do believe it's lucky. Okay and I would say I say this a lot. Sometimes. It's better to be lucky than good however. Luck is when opportunity means preparation, which goes back to what I said about Rondo asking in for that particular situation that is understanding opportunity and preparation. Absolutely because I, don't know who else would have been in that situation. Braun, obviously wouldn't have been taking a ball out because you know he's Braun. Options, Data Green. I guess maybe Danny Green Rental Heaven Forbid. Or something like that no offense to coups. But like you're not a very capacity in that situation like it just it is what it is For Rondo to know that in this important moment, he needed to make sure that I the best decision was made in Detroit that he was GonNa make it is amazing and for those people who are blaming plumbly. Don't. Yeah. Don't I mean obviously look sometimes better offense meets better defense. Yes and there was a defense of breakdown knows there's no doubt about it but Anthony Davis hit a three pointer over the outstretched arms of your best player two seconds left in nail. The shot for sure may plummy wasn't going to change that outcome for sure and by the way teams down to Oh. In general when they're down. Oh to have come back to only when nine point three percent of the time by the way teams down Oh to to Lebron teams have never won just so you know. Coming up next speaking of Lebron. Why is this conference finals series different for Lebron? We'll get into that on the other side and the bond he's forming with a d. all coming up don't forget Jeanie Buss at five o'clock she's going to stop by the Lakers governor as we were going to be back in two minutes nosy with you here on Espn Jeanie Buss GonNa, stop by thirty minutes we will chat with the governor of Your Los, Angeles Lakers after a big win up to against the nuggets. L. Z before we get into you struggling clipping your toenails. The struggle is real apparently I wanted to get into why this conference final series is different for one Lebron, Ramon James and Lebron played in fifty five conference finals. Games. Okay. And I don't know if he would have won that game last night. If it weren't for a couple of things one, they were playing the nuggets and to Anthony Davis being the equalizer. If you look at Lebron James is great series greatest series. He's never averaged this Pori stat line. Again, this is all by his tremendous standards right twenty and a half points per game eight half rebounds eight assists. The points particularly are the thing that are the lowest of his career in a conference finals series so But here's the deal. The report between these two which we started kind of alluded to in that last segment has just been incredible and what I gather and I've gathered this and you and I've had these conversations before, but it really has been magnified I. Think more recently is that. They're both trying to help a D. become the alpha he needs to be by both I mean Lebron and. Lebron L. Z. is an active participant in a DIS growth. He's literally and figuratively setting him up. Yeah he is and. I'm going to say some things that may or may not. Know. Give me great favor within the Anthony Davis camp but I'm, going to be honest. there were real questions about whether or not he could be an Alpha can. Be a the Batman Superman role if he will. Once. Lebron either started to really decline or retire. To question that because to me, there are a lot of times in which he felt I felt as if he was deferring. or he was just absent altogether in games two regular season and I think that was really fair for how you characterize much of his career in New Orleans amazing talent. But didn't always dominate the way that someone with that kind of talent should. And, you could say that contributed to his poor postseason performances now performances but just showings in terms of the team. I think that has something to do with it. But Lebron James and like the Lakers organization actively making sure that he is fad nonstop. That he is fed in crunch time and in garbage time that he's fed early and he is fed late. That is a conscious effort. Not, to defer to the known quantity, which is Lebron. But to build the what could be which is a D and this sees this postseason. After that first game with Portland which I was really disgusted by he has not disappointed me. I was disgusted I don't know about you disgusted by his performance in their first game. Oh, man we went off because by the way soda the whole world it felt like because, and it's not because you know immediately in this world man twenty, two, thousand, six, a weird. Time right? Like everyone's like you're just being a hater. No, it's because we expect more out of certain people and now he has risen to that occasion. Each did it in very short order as a matter of fact, he has an that goes beyond just the talk and out of all the things that Lebron James has done in in this this league as a leader. If eighty goes down. As one of the greatest of all time and right now he's not there he's a great talent, but he's not going down as one of the greatest all time. There's a lot of potential to be one of the greats a lot of potential and if he reaches that potential. He can look back on this moment. Yes. Being the bronze teammate in this moment as a big reason why not? Because of what it did for him and turns his ballot basketball talent but what it does for his confidence and it's mentality. Just to kind of paint the picture for people who are listening right now. Lebron James's lead every series in scoring that he's played in but to. One of them was Dwayne Wade in that Dallas series and then Kyrie Irving. I forget the exact series, but it was in that twenty run. And look when you look at his relationship on the floor right with those two guys the other two. Great. Super duper stars that he's played with because Chris Bosh is a hall of fame player and but he's not he's not those guys right for as great as he is, and he look I think he's one of the more underrated championship players that we've had in recent memory but nonetheless. If you look at Kyrie in Lebron Z., those to really just took turns in a lot of ways where Kyrie had the ball. Lebron could just relax for a minute and actually take a breath and the. Times like that with Wade particularly at the beginning but then you could see their chemistry right particularly on fast breaks they were incredible together and. A. Living breathing highlight every time that they played together once they got into sink and With ad though. It's the best of all of those guys with Lebron and I said that and you said that right away that it had the potential to be the best fit immediately just because their skill sets fit there's not redundancy there as there was maybe with some of those other guys that we mentioned just a second ago and the other thing I like about a ad L. Z. Is An he talked about this the other this in the last couple of days. Is that ADC fulfilling his potential with his mentality to you know he still upset about missing a very similar look that he got last night. He talked about this that he was still bent about missing that similar shot that he took last night to hit for a game winner. He missed that against Brooklyn in the last game before the restart. And he was lamenting that for God knows how long and kept bringing it up. So in his mind, this gets that off his mind a little bit too and I it's just incredible. The way his mind has changed I think some of that is maturity to. Y-. You know what you're absolutely right and I didn't think about that shot I thought about two shots. I thought about the Michigan's Brooklyn. Then I also thought the fact that. Coups hit a three from the opposite side against Denver Yeah that one that game correct in the bubble right we're to. last-second three pointers away. From. Maybe having losing records against his squad. But it's because of. This talent on this roster in the de talented roster. That were not and I said earlier I'm GonNa say it again this supporting cast if you will get so disrespected. So district the way they were talking about Alex Caruso, last night because he had dunk. I was like, we know we've known in Laker nation that that that Alice cruiser was a baller for seasons by the way Alex Crusoe I what I put a tweet yesterday that clearly he's also upset that he didn't get enough MVP votes. And favored at like seven thousand dives it was pretty hilarious but I mean. Are you not watching this team? Now? He's go. He's. Shocked Shock Caruso. Okay. Hit a breakaway dunk. Yeah. He's a good player is treating like that. Ridiculous. Coming up next. Let's dive into the Rams and chargers and an interesting stat that you would never think to associate. Jared Goff with I'll just tell you this. He's in some great company. We'll have that for you and I'll have a great Anthony Davis Stat speaking of Clutch time with Anthony Davis coming up in a second as well. So Dan, we are back in two minutes Sodano nosy with seven ESPN genie bus is GonNa stop by She's going to join us in seventeen minutes at five o'clock before we get into the football slate from the weekend, particularly with the Rams and chargers here's a stat for you. AD is now fourteen of twenty, nine, forty, eight percent on shots to tie or take the lead in the final twenty four seconds of the game. That is the best field goal percentage among all players since one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, seven with more than twenty five field goal attemps so. The last time you seen a jump shot of his be blocked. Why it's so hard because of how his body is shaped, you know what I mean link. Challenge. Just really feels like if he misses a shot as his yours. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of of different body types. Greg Bergman. Just revealed that he doesn't actually sit on the couch to watch the Games. He has a couch and sits on on the floor to watch games. Why do you watch games from the floor? It's it's just comfortable for me. I don't know I always sit right in front of the couch. Okay. Great Great Answer. Yeah. What are you talking about I've think I don't hear Greg by the way why can't you hear me either but I'm trying to process this this question. So. You have a couch. But you slightly off the couch and prefer to actually sit on the ground. Why Greg? I'm just more comfortable for me. Can you hear me now? Yes. Now why? More and more comfortable than couch. You paid money for sit down on I. Don't think it's. I am were maybe he just picked it up for the side of the road. I mean that's the type of thing I would do but not this time but I dislike sitting on the floor I have cards in front of me I play like solitaire during the game and I just all on the floor you play solitaire during the game during the game. Because I'm enjoying the game. Why can't I multi task multi task during Games. Or drinking. Count mean I try I try to pay attention to the game I am paying attention to the game he said I it's in between commercials and thing I mean now that I have to watch actual commercials then yeah I have to do it this way something to pass the time. Don't see what this is probably what I, am playing during the game. More, more concerned about the floor thing, I. I don't I don't know it's a problem I'm just wondering. Are you laying down on the floor because your back hurts like what's the point of? No? I mean I think I started to sit on the floor because my back was hurting but now it just as comfortable I just like sitting there can stretch my legs out I can bring them back if you got rid of your couch hard work space. Floor. True the couch two big giant couch. You can roll around like it all that much. Not Not during while I'm watching TV or games. Don't the placate them George. Okay. Not Player. Why is it not a? Problem for you. Because as offensive expensive. To couches to counts. And all the furniture designers has been countless hours trying to make sure it would be an enjoyable experience. And your bank account lead you spend money on that couch other people sit on the couch the kids sit on the couch the girls since in custody dog is completely stretched across the cow. Girl. I heard that dog I. Heard you. Say. That too. I have. Three girls in my family I have I have my girlfriend and I have two girls daughters. Okay. So the girls so You know it's not sitting on the couch is jared Goff Jared Goff has been fantastic so far this season jarod Goff has been. Ah really is has been incredible. Here's a stat for you that blew my mind. So there's only two quarterbacks in the NFL thus far through two weeks that have not had a turnover worthy place. So to explain what a turnover worthy players. Is. A throw that is an errant pass that could have been picked off or a fumble that was. That could have been recovered by anyone but was recovered maybe by the quarterback in that situation or the offense recovered unit I mean where it wasn't a turnover per se. and. Those two quarterbacks are jared Goff, and of course, the guy who turns the ball over the least in this generation Aaron Rogers so. I also talked a lot about jared Goff's maturation. We talked about it with Sean McVeigh and we're seeing it. His preparation is different. He looks more comfortable in this system even more. So than did the previous years and I think that he has adjusted to the talent or in some cases lack thereof around him and has made himself a better player including a Diet Lindsey theory has talked about that as put him in the best shape that he's ever been because let's face it. You don't look at him and think he's an donnas compared to some other guys because he's tall and Lanky, but he does look more comfortable back there. First of all Is Important. To reiterate that the rams did not come into the season as a bad team. No. A lot of people thought they were going to be bad a lot of people. Assume. They were GONNA win like five or six games season. I'm not among them. I don't think you were among no mason wasn't knock was among them because we knew the truth. and. The truth is, is that there were times in which the rams last season fluctuated between good and mediocre which is still a long way from being bad correct. And there should be no surprise at all about the start that the rams have had in general or Jared Goff had specifically because he was never a bad qb under Sean McVeigh. He might have been mediocre at times, but you can elevate mediocre. If. You're bad. You can only. Elevate Mediocre Bats Mediocre but we've seen Jerry Gothi. Great. So we know what he's capable. Love. I'm not surprised at all by This Day George. At all because I never bought into this notion that. Jared Goff. was, a only a product of a Sean McVeigh and I certainly didn't buy into the idea that this team was in a good team heading to the season. We. Didn't play great last year we played good and sometimes we are mediocre the year before that we were great. And because of that dip from great to good people started assuming we were bad but there's a long way to being bad I know personally because I'm GonNa Trade Lions, Fan. What bad is yes. I know inevitably what bad is down the rams never looked bad. They looked mediocre at words last season. Yeah. I I would say this I also a bad looks like is I've been a dolphins fan for the you know my my life in the last twenty years is Dan Marino retired have not been kind. At. least a Dan. Marino. Yeah. I. Did a Dan Marino. Yeah. Yeah No never. By the way I will say this just in Herbert now bad I mean look I know it's his first game but he led a seventy nine yard drive on the first possession right to touchdown ran it in look at rookie moments but on the flipside I thought that kid look good night. I. Looked at him and I say Yeah I get why they drafted him number six overall I don't know why he lasted that long. Be Quite honest with you. His first start wasn't even planned right and it came against defending super bowl champions just any defending super bowl champions. Eighteen that many people think might be on the verge of a dynasty correct any comes in. And he doesn't just play. or well. Given the team that he was facing and the conditions in which he was facing them. I thought. He was great last today. He was great. He wasn't supposed to be that good no no no but the chargers have played the chiefs tight recently. So I think that that their defense is still really good with the even without during James but I'm curious to see the development because tyrod Taylor is Tara. Taylor. is going to be week to week with his chest injury and he was in the hospital and it looks like. They're know everything's GonNa be okay. But they're going to have to figure that out and and Herbert may get trotted out the Herbert Air may start sooner than we think. So my my sources tell me that there have been some unnamed people in the chargers organization who have some pizzas from Utah to be sent to tyrod Taylor, and he may or may not be healthy next week either. We'll see how that works out I G bus is going to join us in nine minutes. We will talk to the governor of Your Los, Angeles Lakers. We got what you need to know coming up in his second. We will be back in three minutes, Jeanie. Buss, GONNA join us in a couple of minutes here set to join us the governor of your Los Angeles Lakers. What you need to know brought to you by Morongo play it safe good times L Z the big story in the NFL. This weekend is injuries. It is the biggest story names like Nick Boza Saquon Barkley Christian McCaffrey, drew lock Jimmy G. among others were hurt and man it was just a rough week no preseason, and this was what some people worried would and here we are. Yeah I'm not quite sure to blame all of this and a lack of a preseason The names that are mentioned certainly are game changing names and it's really unfortunate. Especially, if you're a team like the forty niners that really thought, you had a chance to go back to the Super Bowl and all of a sudden you lose your horse like that. Yeah. So early on but. I know what caused this rash of quirky injuries but I don't think he was about missing appeal preseason. Chris. McCaffrey sprinkle. Let me come on Yeah Yeah. That is bad luck. Some of them are bad landmark. Yeah some of them are bad luck for sure speaking out. So you McCaffrey by the way I saw the G. Q. Pictures. Sticking with football. On, you may remember him eligible. Yeah. Played or coached at USC. For Very Long Time. He did a sixty minutes interview this past weekend and said that she didn't hire him because of his accent and quote I'm not a country club guy what do you make of that? That's what I've been hearing. Yeah, my. Reporting I've been doing regards to that situation. Many sources, many sources I mean more than five, right On that campus told me exactly that he didn't sound right and every time Senate smells like go on what kind of domes ass bloop bright over metric is. He didn't sound the part. What is this like? This isn't like you're not casting. A Broadway musical. What do you mean? He didn't sound apart right Katie coach you're not Kenny coach. Right and I think we've got the answer to that. Yeah. Yeah Yeah. Yeah, it's incredible that that happens especially because of the way people feel about pork lay you know what I'm saying. So there's there's that part of the equation to so. Could Lord, but anyway next and. We have one more stat for you have the Lakers. Now you and I kind of references briefly yesterday the Lakers are three L Z granderson in the playoffs when wearing the Black Mamba uniforms in these playoffs, and again, it took an Anthony Davis buzzer beater to keep that up for Frank Vogel said this quote that's a shot that Kobe? Bryant would hit of a DIS winter and he's not wrong and the trend continues and it's a good trend for the Lakers in that regard. It absolutely is a great trend in while. You know a lot of people might. Be consumed with the fact that the Lakers gave a sixteen point lead rashy trailing before that shot. Yeah. I would simply say this the clippers also give him a sixteen point lead, but the Lakers found out how to win despite doing that. So right. Let you know there's there's a difference between being a tough situation pulling through and being in a situation falling apart. By, the way you're listening to Caspian Los Angeles Again Jeanie Buss the governor of the Los Angeles Lakers will join US shortly. Here we're expecting her any moment. You know we. I've spent a Lotta time today. And? Talking about ad talking about Lebron talking about Rondo talking about everyone. We didn't really talk enough about Frank Vogel and I feel like he likes it that way. I feel like I've been around enough to get the sense that he's totally fine being in the background and I think he enjoys it that way. But man he deserves a lot of credit specifically for this reason housing because the backbone of this Los Angeles Lakers team for as unbelievable. As Lebron James's for as unbelievable as Anthony Davis's for as good a group as they have that gets along the way they do. And the type of Camaraderie and chemistry all the things that they have. Frank Vogel's defense mindset that instilled very early on in training camp is A. Big Big. Big Big reason ask to why the Lakers have this kind of success. Yeah. I mean was one of the things that. We look at entire construction of the team. From a coaching. Perspective. Georgia's a lot of guys on a bench who preach or played with defense. Glenn Hoddle's. Jason Kidd. Entering Vogel. These are off defensive-minded men and when you bring in a d and he tells you early on his goal is to win defensive player of the year. And you have abroad who's made it to several defensive teams. You have Rondo several defensive teams, he Danny Defensive Teams you have you have Caruso, who in terms of metrics might be the best running mate in terms of defense meg writes his real. Forth in the NBA and real plus mine is Alex. Yeah. Fantastic. Stuff. You're talking about a squad that loves to play defense prime more than the play offense. Yeah and frank deserves a lot of credit for as long obviously with the players as rubbing really instilled that very early on it's time to go to the celebrity hotline here presented by Morongo play it safe good times the governor of your Los Angeles Lakers after that big win yesterday Jeannie bus joins US HERE ON SODANO AND L Z here on seven ten ESPN genie. Thank you so much for the time. Hope you and yours are all safe and healthy congrats on the win and I wanNA thank you. I. WanNa, thank you for a couple of things. Thank you number one for giving us a lot of good things to talk about this season and also bank you for introducing me at least to sing choral Tequila. To you and Michael Jordan and that. The documentary, but I'll ask this is the question I have for you. Okay. Talk what was it like? At Your House or wherever you were watching this game watching Anthony Davis hit that crazy shot to win the game last night. I let out a scream that I didn't even know I was capable of it was my dog looked at me like what is going on it? That was it was His reaction and that was it was nothing but net it was the perfect. It was really a special moment that all Laker fans. I just wish it would have been at staples center instead of you know so far away but. Exciting. And moment though the Lakers were up sixteen. And the Denver Nuggets as they've done, all postseason long chipped away chipped away chipped away and made it a game as the nuggets were chipping away at our lead. was going through your mind. you know I I you know. I'm just like every other fan watching the game and and you know there was you know a few momentum swings and then you know. But watching that nuggets team come back from being down three, two one that's a team that doesn't give up all the credit to them. You know what are a really great bunch of players they have and and never gave up and kept fighting and when they were chipping away the lead you know it was worrisome and you know you know they they just pulled it through. So I was like everybody else excited but but no, we're this series of far from over. Yeah. No question about the ged bus, the governor of your Los Angeles Lakers. This year on seven, ten ESPN I needed a drink after that one like it was crazy that. Like you know what I needed adult beverage but wait until afterwards I did. I did wait till afterwards. But now we're drinking during the game. Coral. Absolutely it was is it girl Moment Jeannie? What is more nerve wracking? You've done something that is more courageous than anything I've ever done in this sense watching these games, which is more nerve wracking watching these games from afar or you courageously attempting stand comedy because I feel like both are really nerve wracking. yes. That I mean. It's I guess I like to You know challenge myself and I think you know in in my business I'm not. I'm not a funny person but everybody can learn to be funnier and so I had heard about a class that you could take and It was something that was on my bucket list of things to do and I. You know I I did my open mic. So I could say I did it but I really enjoyed it and like I said I think that in life humor is such a useful tool to help us cope with stress. it allows us to bond over laughter in. This kind of talk about things that sometimes are sensitive through humor and you know kind of letting down our guards and finding a commonplace where we can all laugh about something. During that process. I learned that. I learned that you know when you when you try something new, it's I. Think it's it's uplifting. It's You know just a challenge and not that that would be something that I would go and do fulltime I would never make it as a professional comedian I admire comedian so much because that has to be the most vulnerable place to be on stage with a microphone all eyes on you So you know I learned about myself and that I could push my boundaries and that I could do something that you know scared me to death. Jitney bus with this year the governor of your Los Angeles, Lakers on seven ten ESPN Look you've watched a lot of leaguer basketball obviously in your life more than almost anyone maybe. How much fun are you having right now watching this particular team Kinda grow as they have throughout the season. I am having such a great time watching them. You know this new coaching staff. And you know their ability to bring out. The best in every player and watching Anthony Davis You know the joy he has in plain winning that game and and you know. Being back in the playoffs I'd forgotten what that was like had been seven years, which is hard to believe, and you know it's been ten years since we've been this far in the playoffs. So it's it's You know it's it's brought back a lot of great memories of some Great Laker teens that we've had over the last You know twenty years.

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B.I.G. Interview | Chris Dempsey of Altitude Sports on Nuggets Road Trip

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16:39 min | 2 months ago

B.I.G. Interview | Chris Dempsey of Altitude Sports on Nuggets Road Trip

"Chris kelly lyles with the fort collins. Colorado your csu insider on the whole show on thirteen ten kfi minutes after the hour. Welcome back to the show the whole show and were powered by pd energy. Joining us now. On our i advantage hotline chris dempsey of altitude. Tv nice win for the nuggets the other night against oklahoma city. Chris i hate say must wins. I kind of said it already but that was when you gotta feel like really needed a win with this five game road stretch coming up. Yeah you wanna you wanna start taking care of the games that You know that are gonna put you in position to be able to absorb some some performances that You're not going to be proud of in the future and what. The nuggets hatton done was a lot of that. So you know their their record was under five hundred and the net five hundred and under five hundred and so You know you need that foundation stuff to start into victories. And your good habits that you create on the court to start manifesting itself into A successful quarters have and then games. And i thought it was important For them to be able to put together a performance like that and continue to build to get to being the team. They want to be And you're right. I mean. I mean this road trip. It's not easy all right off the top. You have back to back games against the phoenix suns and Obviously you're phoenix has been pretty good to start the season chris dempsey joining us from altitude the big question. Everybody's wanting to know. Chris michael porter jr. Can we expect him to can expect on the road trip. Can we expect him tomorrow night. Yeah so michael malone said to the media today was that he He's not sure he hopes to hope that michael porter at some point during this road trip so he so mpg has been upgraded to questionable But apparently there's still a battery of tests that have to be done And then after that. Michael malone mentioned conditioning exam that has to be done And just there's a bunch of other stuff that he Didn't know every single detail to before. Michael porter jr. could get back on the court. I think if i'm reading between the lines if i'm reading the tea leaves. I think that we will absolutely see michael porter junior on this road trip. It's just the question is will that be tomorrow or saturday right in those these first two games. I'm not super sure. But but i did before. This road trip is out. We'll see him and they'll need them. You know they. They need some extra scoring a pop obviously and he's the third leading score on the team. So you need that kind of guy back in your lineup. Chris is there. It's a complicated question. But is there more going on as their frustration with mpg. Obviously he got cova. Did and you know that's one thing but even before the contact tracing it did seem like malone. A couple of questions were asked early about mpg. He didn't really want to answer those questions that get it was coming off of. I think the mavericks loss and then my brain starts working going back to the bubble porter said a few things about how to run certain plays blah blah blah. Everything's good there. Are we good or my malone quarter. Good yeah i think so I think the situation is really unfortunate. I mean if you're talking about looking across the nba michael. Puerto juniors case is an individual player has been the longest case. the player has been out for For you know health and safety protocols So far this season and so. I'm sure there's a little you know frustration with the fact that he's just been gone for so long. I mean it's been ten games already. 'cause we last seen him But from the standpoint of You know anything else. Going on no now They they recognize that they need them. They wanna mike malone really has repeatedly expressed The that he really wants him back in the lineup and So i i think that once he's back he'll be back and you know they'll try to get right back to what they were trying to him in the first place which is get him in the starting lineup. I'm getting you know comfortable alongside those other. Four guys who have so worked so well together In the starting lineup and obviously reap the rewards of any You know points and rebounding production. That michael porter gives you chris. You've you've followed so much basketball so much nuggets basketball in your career. How do you get a guy like porter now. We know offensively gifted and rebounding the basketball. He's gifted but how do you get a guy ultimately when you get him back out there to play better defense because there are bad defensive players in the nba. it's not necessarily for lack of trying porter. Just oftentimes look so lost out there when it comes to the defensive side. Yeah and i think for him. It's just a repetition thing like he's going to have to be out there. All the time and and the coaching staff will have to obviously stay on them in terms of you know possessions or quarters or whatever where he might be not going full speed or might not understand exactly what is being asked of him within the defensive system At that point in time and so you know that'll be for the. You know the coaching staff and quite frankly for his teammates to just say hey. You should be over here you know. We saw mason plumlee do that Quite often with michael porter. Jr. say on the defense events. You need to be right here. You need to be paying attention to this here mean. Just helping him stay in the right spots more often than not and so You know i think. His teammates have to hold them accountable. The coaches obviously certainly mike malone you know certainly will hold them accountable on the defensive end and then michael porter has to hold himself accountable and understand that if he becomes a huge liability on the defensive end That you know they might turn back to little barton in the starting lineup and say hey you know what we know what he's able to do and then we'll have the scoring punch of michael puerto off the bench. And so i think for michael porter. He's got a you know under you know look at this from his own standpoint and say okay well you know okay. Now that i've got this starting job keep it especially when you have a player who has been the starter In plays really well on the defensive end for them so yeah i think all those things have to be true for michael porter and then obviously you have to be on the court repeatedly just going through all these situations To be able to ultimately get better. And i think he'll he'll get every opportunity To prove that he continues to to that he can continue to improve on the defensive side. Chris what's going on with jamal murray That elbow. I know he's talked about it and he's got some inconsistencies in the past but there just seems to be something off with him especially the last few games i really do. Think if elbow in this case You know you're right. I mean he's probably talked about elbow injury a more and more in depth than maybe any other injury he's ever had in his young career steel in the nba. And i think if it's resonating with him that much this is it's an issue that he's gonna have to really deal with that elbow. Probably pretty painful. I mean if if if jamal murray who played You know his first full season through a sports hernia is. Is you know remarking about how difficult it is to get through this elbow issue than it really is definitely painful and it's right at the wrong it's on the wrong or you know the shooting arm so so You know he had a couple of games ago. He had this big first-half twenty four twenty six points in the first half and then in the second half he was something like two for ten. And i just got to believe that once you get warmed up and if and if you can avoid big hits to it then okay then he feels fine but now you go into a half time. It gets cold to get stiff now. You've got to ramp it right back up again and maybe we'll start to see well that might be a regular occurrence with some of these uneven halves of especially when the first half has really good in the second half as a little more suspect with him while that elbow just has time to heal which is obviously harder when you're using it all the time and it's getting hit and he's hitting the floor so i think we're just end for this for a while and you know He'll he'll work through it and do his best but Boy it's i. I think this is just where we're going to be in the for the foreseeable future with with jamal. Murray and chris. It's it's hard to. Because even and i've talked about this even when jamal's not giving you the crazy thirty six point nights i mean he's still. He's still valuable player to your team. So it's hard for mike malloy to say we're going to shut you down for a week or two especially when you're sitting at seven and seven now every game becomes pretty darn important so probably don't we. We're not going to see anything like that right. Were you do not hate to call it load management because this would actually be for an injury but doubtful. We would see anything like that right. Yeah i i think this. Avoid it right now. Michael malone did speak to this a couple of zooms ago where he did say that. It was difficult especially given the start that the nuggets got off to. You know not being the greatest start Record wise That he needed jamal. Murray on the basketball court to help them win games and if he found areas within game or within stretches of the season that he could sit him or could he would definitely try. I think we did see him. Absolutely do that In the nuggets last game When in the second half. And i mean i think jamal murray may play twenty minutes in that game total So you know you blow out a team you get your memory right off the court and get him a chance to get some extra moments to heal or just a not. Have that elbow be hit or being used in that manner a lot. So i think he's just gonna try to find spaces within games to do that Or you know the the the nuggets are coming up on a stretch where it's three games and four nights and you know. Does he play all three games in the four nights does he take the second of the to against phoenix off. And we bring him back. You know two nights later. We'll see i mean. I think this is just kind of a fluid situation if the nuggets start winning a bunch of games though and now you can feel a little bit come about you're standing in the standings and your record overall and how the teams playing you might see him. Take a few more chances with that as well but while the nuggets are trying to get their feet under them at a team. I think they're gonna want jamal. Murray out there more often than not quite frankly. Jamal murray said he wants to be out there so You know with those forces being at work. We'll still see him. I out there. And maybe not as much of the load management stuff and this is why you know whether you end up resting internet which again it sounds like no you. You need so many different guys to to step up. Obviously we're seeing joker put together ridiculous numbers. But you're you're going to need to see this. Reemergence of gary harris the depth the bench being able to come and provide you know if you can see games like you saw against the thunder. Everybody's getting in the mix and that game But you're going to need a lot of that. Chris and talked about the to start the show or the segment with mpg. Pj you're gonna need those points to come in at least while murray maybe do peel back a few minutes Especially if you can get some leads but you're basically going to need a few guys to step up and make up for it. That's a really good point. You know if you're getting scoring from a guy like mp j you know that maybe can take some pressure off of jamal in that area. And so yeah. I mean that's a it's a big deal and then also getting mp j. back. You know the nuggets still have this one issue that they're going to have to work through It's gonna probably take the remainder of the first half of the season and into the second half which is what they're what other rotations look like when michael porter when everybody's healthy what does that look like like. We know what it is right now with. 'em pj out and you know that second unit really being green. Moore's composite hartenstein And and Dosier but okay so now. You're playing ten players. Michael porter makes it eleven. So who is coming in and out of those lineups. now how do those rotations work with michael porter. They were just barely scratching the surface of beginning to figure that kind of stuff out. And they really you know. Michael porter was playing at a time jamaica. Green wasn't so they haven't they haven't had those two guys actually on the court in the roster in the roster at the same time at any point this season so it's you know there's another layer of stuff that they have to get through when mpg comes back. No you're exactly right. That's a great point about your michael green because we're all it seems like every game we're seeing him Just get better and better more chris. At this point. I might do this every week. The mvp watch because we we we haven't had we've had this conversation often and when you're talking about the denver nuggets in their history Nicola yokich still average in that triple double is it. Is it realistic to say he might be the. Mvp this year. Yeah it is. Yes it is. I mean you know his. You know his effect on winning and on this. Think about think of this wasn't a coke wasn't getting off to this kind of start and the you know like that's scary to think about because you know. Obviously the nuggets have started the season slowly. But if they haven't had what they've gotten from nicola yoga's this much worse situation right now than what they're in right then they find themselves in and yeah. I mean nicola yokich the what. He's doing every single night like every single night. I mean. that's not even a question as to whether he's gonna score or not. I mean he goes out puts up a bunch of points. A bunch of rebounds get a ton of assists and puts the nuggets at least in a position to win every single night if if not winning those games and so at as the nuggets get better his prospects will get better too. You're talking about the the eliminating factor right now if you if you talk to people nationally him. Yeah he's having a great start but the nuggets aren't winning a ton of games and so that's the piece that's going to have to change for him to necessarily be bona fide. Top three candidate right now but Certainly from the production standpoint and what he means this basketball team Yeah yeah. I mean i. It is realistic. It's legit He'll he will ultimately be on the shortlist we've seen him there before And you know. All he's got do is keep doing this. The with the winds will come when the winds come he'll rise nationally that That conversation as well big test coming up like you said phoenix on friday and saturday then at dallas. Then it miami than it san antonio so if if the nuggets can come out of this Okay maybe they can get their season back on track and then we. We are rampant up that conversation about joker even more. Chris always appreciate you may. Hey what What time do you are you altitude tomorrow or is it saturday with guys. Yeah it's both days So altitude tomorrow. I think it's also any. Espn game tomorrow to so everybody should be able to see the game. No matter what platform watching that on So it's Yeah tomorrow we'll be there. I'll be in studio. I'll be in studio on saturday to for back And our coverage tomorrow believe starts at six pm with the pre-game show Then the phoenix suns. We'll see him twice in That should be a lot of fun man. But we'll see what happens chris. Appreciation has always. And we'll catch up with you next week. All right. we'll talk to you. All right chris. Mc of altitude tv ad phoenix tomorrow night and then add phoenix again on saturday. So see they get off to a great start. Thirty five minutes after the hour colfax. Let's go ahead. Let's register somebody. I'm and i'm gonna take caller number eight on our. I advantage hotline caller number. Eight year in you call our hotline now. Be caller eight. You're in the madden challenge february. Sixth we're gonna be setting up with. 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I'M LIKE THAT

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42:56 min | 7 months ago

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All the stuff and I know for a fact, I would not last a day in prison. It was really rough welcome to the show. I'm Rachel Nichols and on that note I am joined by Two Thousand Sixteen NBA Champ Richard Jefferson and our NBA insider senior writer Ramona Shelburne great to have you both on with us today coming up we're gonNA talk about the Eastern Conference finals they don't resume until Wednesday so who does the long layoff benefit more the heat or the Celtics? We will discuss I oh, let's get to last night. For Years Anthony Davis was a very big boy who didn't get a chance to play at the big boy level, all that talent and size and touch and work ethic for nearly a decade in the league all it had added up to was the P. Word potential. Maybe he could be one of the true greats of his generation. But honestly, how would we know for sure when we never got to see him pass the second round of the playoffs? Well, we learned a little bit more or less night when the Lakers. Got Themselves into quite the situation down one in a game. They had largely led with just two point one on the clock and Denver looking like it was about to assert itself in these Western Conference finals for La there would only be one chance one shot. So Regime Rondo Aspirin Fogel if he could be the one to do the bounds and there's Rondo stood there on the sideline, a human computer just analyzing every matchup currently on the floor, his eyes fell on ad the to had played together. New. Orleans so regime. Just not how dangerous a could be but just how many years Davis had yearned to show it and boy did he wants the ball got in whose hands on the move and? Money now, for a few hours after the game, there was a lively Internet debate on exactly what Mason Plumlee was doing on this play calling the switch where no one was screening him. But honestly, fixating on that is missing the point. If they Davis is a six, ten center wouldn't give him a chance to make the game winner six feet from the basket under absurd pressure hit an absolutely beautiful clean three afterward Rondo called it the biggest shot of a dis life so far, and then added this. And watching them grow up so they'll play with. Back. To where he's come now he's always been a dominant. Force. Training he's overplayed against, but the grow and shot disciple environment which converts final doesn't really get any bigger than this. It sure is big to hit this kind of shot and watch how he celebrated poor Taylor. Horton Tucker. What can I tell you sometimes victory? Down the whole team celebration was crazy eighty and Lebron James in particular had such especially exchange. You know it was Lebron who ad had gone to back in March. After he missed a near identical shot in a game against Brooklyn. Then, it actually turned out to be the Lakers final game before the NBA shutdown and Davis became consumed by being that that was how he had left. Thanks. Brian I tell you I mean the first. Four. Days. I was talking to him like like Damn, I should have made that shot. I gotTa make that shot for he like me. You're fine. You're fine and then I knew. I was going to have opportunity. Tonight to make. You know calm with their same exact shot from the same as spot is for sure to bigger shot in my career and I just WanNa be i. just wanted to be able to championship I know that you know moments like this comes with it. You, know right. After a did hit that shot last night as he was running back to the bench he yelled Kobe just like so many kids do after they hit an imaginary big game winner in their driveways, of course for Davis in the Lakers that comes with so much more weight. Now, they have dedicated this postseason to Kobe's memory and last night were even wearing their Kobe tribute black snakeskin themed jerseys. Kobe, of course, road himself indelibly into the history books at the sport by coming up big in those big boy moments. Now finally, Anthony Davis has the chance to try following in his footsteps and so far he is making the most of it. Richard What did you see the significance of that shot while I was always told an and taught very young there are players that don't want those shots. There are players that want those shots and there are players that can make shots though there are three different types of players in. So I've you you watch Anthony Davis and I remember I was at that game I was doing the Brooklyn Laker game and and even Kevin durant space was just like all he's going to make this so to get that exact same shot in the exact same spot at a much higher level shows you that he's mentally starting to figure it out he doesn't let pass failures Mess with them. He's like I'm going to have another opportunity when I get that second opportunity I'm gonNA knock it down. So I don't want to say without that failure in the nets games would he have been successful here? No, but his thought process starts to change like, Oh, I'm GonNa be in these moments start to slow your heart rate down start to slow your breathing down start zero win start to focus, and so I think in that moment, we started to see the growth of Anthony Davis. It's all about muscle memory, right? You make that shot once you have that memory in your muscles and in your brain and your your heart that you can do it again and I think even just no we don't want to dissect what happened on the defensive end. Mason. Braun Jeremy Grant is looking at what should I switch? But it's so metaphor for exactly what just happened for the Lakers and for Anthony Davis Lebron. James. And their relationship, the Brawn James didn't do anything he's just standing there. He didn't he didn't make a move to make a shot. But he's so important with the Lakers do and they're so focused on the Bron James. They forgot Anthony Davis is out there about to hit the game winning shot and it was and I think that's a reminder and it was a huge confidence boosting dave is like this. The problem might be the point guard he might have finished second VP voting but you you are the future of this team and they they're not going to win by just Lebron carrying them. They're Lebron has to teach Anthony Davis how to win and I think that was. A big lesson last night and and now he feels that now he knows that next time that shot comes and Ramona mentioned it the defense breakdown, Richard I know you've been itching to talk about this please discuss what happened defensively for the nuggets there we'll look everybody's talking about Mason plumlee. But when coaches draw up plays, they draw up a lot of times it caused confusion and so when you watch Mason plumlee in that spot, you see him pointing to grant very very early because if mason plumbly tries to go underneath the screen he's got. A Sprint Underneath Brown Jeremy Grant could get the steel if you look at this Jeremy Grant and what they say to basketball all the time if there is no screen than there is no defensive scheme. So no screen no scheme. So Jeremy, grant would have ran out at that moment. He would have had a steel which you see these guys communicating. He's like we're going to switch everything, but he can't switch at the level or else Bron gets the drive down for a layup in a back cut. That's why Rondo wants it. So he's got. To go underneath and look at the end of the day, he hit this over a six eleven person and it was contested with a coach right behind you in front of the Nuggets Bitch. So I don't want to hear any of this. What was Mason plumlee doing Mason plumlee ideally was doing what he is supposed to do in that moment that means go underneath now, the other part about his if he doesn't switch all of a sudden, you have braun that's why coaches draw up those plays a cause confusion and it was a great one. Ramona I was talking before about just Anthony Davis wanting these moments. So badly, he said, this was the biggest shot of his life where do you think ranks for you in terms of what you've seen him do You know I think for him because of because of the stage because he wanted to be there and let's go back to to them wearing their Kobe. Jerseys. I'm always thinking about Kobe talking about you know who was going to be the next standard bearer of this franchise right? They would always go pursue free agents whether it was Dwight Howard or Carmelo Anthony of and they wouldn't get them and Kobe's response was always the same as we shouldn't have to recruit you to the Lakers. The Guy who's going to be at the face, the Lakers is going to want to be here I shouldn't have to even pitch. You shouldn't have to explain it to you. You have to want to be here you have to want to be in those moments Lebron James wanted that moment Anthony Davis wanted that moment they wanted to be there and I write. The person who takes on the face of the franchise for the Lakers he's got want to be back and everything that comes. All, right. Coming up, we're going to switch to the other side of the bracket. Taking game three of the Eastern Conference finals on Saturday. What was the difference for them? We'll discuss that I though the latest edition of jump at the symphony with the Maestro Anthony Davis. Two. Seconds remaining. To give you'll could trying to disrupt puts it in. Goodyear knows why we all love basketball. It's the sound of the Buzzer, the roar of the crowd, the Swish of the net it's the spin on the ball as it's released the squeaking sneakers before an inbound pass, the timeout that gives us perspective on the moment we love basketball because we love movement, and now that it's back, we're asking you the fans what moves you goodyear more driven. The, Gel is presented by best buy if you can't be there feel their bring the game home when you upgrade to a big Sony TV today. To make her mislead maker make. This is a maker live. It's a make mislead. All that knows about wine to make billy oil. Alex Kershaw getting the. Accent Fast Jeremy Grant Ramona, which is the nickname for him. The Caruso for the Bald Eagle. I gotta go. So fun to say, yeah, it is so good. Really Hoyle. Just. Do. You understand that that is like one of the most awesome basketball names in the. State Billy Hoyle. You're going to have a lot more chances to debate over the coming weeks theory. All right. Miss Labs slipper on meeting Jim Mammary at the rim. Watch this. Lebron gets transition Tori Craig. He gets full to chase down. Here we go. Everybody hustling out there by working. But. This would look. That's just that's like a that's a big dude picking on a little do the other one Jeremy Grant is on the same athleticism claim Hasbro that's a little bit more fair. Ronnie. Picking on on on young Canadian kids. Canadians. Richard, they've just as much a right to grow up basketball players as you did. You're welcome. Make bags. Speaking of Jamal Murray he was in his several nice finishes last night. Is this layup now not the ball handling is the layup package Kyri esque or were you not even go that far I would go that far because that three sixty to lay layup he made the round before maybe it was in the Utah series that is up there again, Kyrie does it five times a night? Yes, that has the. Evolution of basketball these young the younger players see this stuff and they start to emulate it. But look at that that is looking at all in one hand bring wral. Never had that. Impeachable. It yeah. No I. Don't have any skillset there to tell you. That looks good at home Ramona. All right. Miss Intensity speaking layups. Here is a bunch of ones and lots of sloppy basketball. So we had to give it the Yak and sex. Ramona. What is going on here? Well look I just think you have a lot of but. We put it in black and white so it wouldn't be. Your is your is the not having. We've all been there is. There more. Oh Wasn't. It wasn't good. May Transition. Celtics were up for two and a half minutes left in the half and they turn the energy way of good defense and transition buckets finishing the thirteen Richard. Why is that so important to close quarters like that? especially in the playoffs because a lot of times you either do all of your work in and early in the you're not able to finish it off or you've been battling and then that last two minute you get into a stretch and then you're able to get some rest in that time out. So you can actually continue that stretch. Quarters closing quarters closing quarters that all the time. All right guys stick with the Eastern Conference finals. The Celtics getting themselves back into the series against the heat victory on Saturday Boston said, it's response proof that there is more than enough resolve within this team to turn the entire series around and win it. So Richard. What do you think was the difference in game three I'm GonNa say this was Gordon Hayward right just having him on the tour. Now he didn't have this amazing game wasn't over the top but having a guy that grew up in the Brad Stevens system you don't call a lot of isolation plays so he will get the ball he will cut he will. Move he's also sixty eight. So he makes defensive plays he could rebound in traffic. There's a lot of things that he can do but Gordon Herod is such an unselfish player and then every I don't WanNa say that he is the focal point but he averaged seventeen points a game does nothing to scoff about everyone's talking about what what the Lakers are missing what Ab Bradley will this man averaged even more any and they don't have to studs Lebron. So having Gordon Hayward on the court just I felt like open things up for them and gave them a jolt of energy. Go what Gordon does too as plays really good fundamental basketball where when you just need to break that Miami's zone, he knows what to do like he was a great cutter to the middle of Zone, when they need to do that in the in game two, he wasn't it wasn't out there I thought they they didn't really cut in there. They were SORTA drifted and didn't look like they were exact. You know when you go back in high school and your, how do you break zone Gordon Hayward was just executing that perfectly and I think that that really helps them out but the other thing too. Is Marcus smart on Gore drug in a lot of those moments really got the heat out of what I thought I what I think they like to do and part of that was early on they got Duncan Robinson and foul trouble Marcus smart had been on him a little bit and so by getting him out of the game, you put Marcus on which they did a lot of a lot of things well in in game three that I. Think if they can continue doing that we have ourselves Ramona Ramona you make a great point like he's been when we talk about, he played for Brad Stevens. He knows Brad Stevens zone offense because he ran it in college, and then that was part of the reason why he signed with Boston is because of familiarity with Brad Stevens and and that's one of the things. That's so amazing with this grew he averaged eighteen points a game I'm gonNA keep saying that because if there was any team in the playoffs right now that got a seventeen point, a game score, they would be ecstatic. It would shift things in the series as long as they're able to integrate him the right way, and I think they did a good job of doing that in game two Brad. Stevens told me the Gordon is just the stabiliser that just he is so much assurance that veteran experience of what to do when you saw in that game. All right. Let's talk about the other side though because after the loss game, Jimmy Butler said quote I think it gets old playing from behind consistently especially against the great team link Boston and what they bring to the table. So ramone, this is real pivotal moment for them either the he can go up three one and sort of keep their grip on the series or we could be all at two in just a couple days. How do they avoid that? Well you know keep. Air, exposure talking about the Celtics are doing a great job of flattening out on offense right and so I think what he means by that is when their defense just collapsed right when they wanNA drive, they collapse an one thing that's been very effective for Miami is when they get at a bio going downhill right when you're not just relying on born to create everything do is monitor nobly out there and you can get Jimmy going downhill that that really opens things up because you know that Miami Heat obviously a great three shooting team. But when you have a night where your best sniper you're. Starting Dunk Robinson's the starter out there gets into early foul trouble that changes the dynamics out there a little bit. So I think they can just get band going downhill Jimmy going downhill a little bit where the Celtics aren't able to flatten them out they can. They can be on par offensively in places they want. Yeah. Now Ramon, it's great. It's great to have that resolve. Great to have that resiliency like one hundred percent you want to add that team does not just front runners that means that when they get down there able to fight back and they've been winning some of these games decisively. Winning by one like they've been down ten in one by ten But ultimately, that does exert a lot of energy. Now that energy it doesn't come back to haunt you because you're not having to travel. You're not having to go on the home court or somebody else's home court. There's a lot of constants here that I think that's part of the reason why we've seen so many great comebacks but Jimmy, Butler, right you don't WanNa keep getting down because every time you move forward every game these things matter more and you start to lose that Martin era the. Same thing. Happened with the with the nuggets coming back from double digits and all of a sudden you had one game one shot to win. But it was like if you would have played consistent basketball in the first three quarters, maybe it wouldn't have led to that and I think that's kind of Jimmy. Butler is talking about those first portions of the game where they need to be playing better basketball not just the last like ten minutes and if you have this list that we're looking at right now, you cannot help it mentally use it a little bit as. A crutch right you start to think like, oh, we're down but we'll come back. Don't worry about it. We can depend on that. This is how we do like all of that stuff. Unfortunately, it is very hard to come back from a double digit deficit against an excellent final four team and that's the heater doing you mentioned earlier in the segment also Ramon about foul trouble. I do think that is going to be another key for them to not get into the situating again Duncan Robinson specifically, as you noted, tyler hero, these guys have to be out on the. Court in that key stretch and the third and fourth quarter. All right guys. Here's the jump recommends for today. Baxter homes has a piece up on the ESPN APP about Jaylen Brown being jaylen Brown being a player for this moment Baxter, discuss Jones, educational background, and all the steps along the way the prepared him to be a leader for this current intersection of race and sports really good story check that out and coming up next on this show. Lebron James Sounding off about the MVP voting results over the weekend. Does he have a point stick rune? You're watching the job? Often. Welcome back to the job. Presented by. Best Buy Because meal. Truly true answer. It pissed me off because Out of one hundred and one volts I got sixteen I first place votes Chris more than anything you know. The the winter wasn't deserving to GP. But. This. and. I finished second a lot in my in my career. Neither from a championship now, four times of the MVP is. A weird thing sometimes that. Just don't know how much we are really watching the game of basketball. Or we just in the. Narration. The narrative. I. Mean I'm fine. Don't get it twisted like I'm going back to my mom perfectly fine. Piss off the reaction earlier when I saw it. Absolutely. Great. Now, nobody smart room prince a wine sleep very well to. Not Get it twisted. I'm great. Don't get it twisted. He's got the wind welcome back to the jump. I'm Rachel Nichols here with Ramona Shelburne Richard Jefferson those Lebron's remarks after finding out. He was runner up to Jaanus for MVP, this season it was the fourth time in his. Career career. He is finished up as runner up tie with Jerry West and Larry Bird for most all time. So Ramona you voted for Lebron James Does he have a point about awards voting. Yeah. He does look I I one of the sixteen. Okay. And last time we talked about this I made the mistake that my friend Tony Really on around the horn always mutes before right to me points on around the word when I use the word narrative kate and I think Lebron's using the word narrative wrong because. He's He's the one with the story. Yawn. This is actually not the narrative John. This is just discount winner by every statistical measure Janas should've won honest was the best player the most valuable all that if you if you want to get into that I, look at the totality of Lebron's contributions this year I gave him points for leadership I dave him and I. Give them credit for taking a team that had been out of the playoffs for six years to the number one seed in the western conference for integrating with Anthony Davis those seem to be big that takes a lot and I and I that's why I voted for Lebron. He led the League in assists eight thirty five played a new position at point guard Janas. Spectacular season I voted for him last year. This is not personal, but let's talk a little bit about the broader scheme of awards Oh. Yes. They're only lot of award voters. Yeah. Okay. There are a lot of voters. There are one hundred people who vote for MVP and I knew when I voted for Lebron that I was going to be in the majority this year. Sorry. The Mindy in the minority this year of course, everybody had written they're calling it was talked about openly you knew that if you were GonNa vote for Lebron, you were going to be in the minority and so you'd have to defend your vote. I think there is some pressure not to to to their impression just kind of go along with what everybody else is going to vote for. So he does have a point there I agree with him on that that there is some pressure to vote for whoever you Zach Lowe's column or you read. John Hollinger's column reread whoever whoever's call him that you read and maybe read ten of them you study your own numbers whatever you do to your voting. But that's why there are a hundred something voters. Okay. One hundred, one voters the NBA does on purpose there's radio broadcasters there's analysts, there's former players there's beat writers there's columnists because we all have differences of. Opinion and collectively, you will come out with who should win the award. Now I do a point that there is pressure to go along with the heard I do think that he has evaluate there. Now it looks I understand everything that everybody is saying and I feel bad because it's kind of like when you have those MJ versus Lebron conversations because it's like well. By. Saying is better. It's like you're trying to demean the. We're not trying to say that you didn't have an amazing season that's not the congress that we're not trying to say most people would say look Janice would be second at worse but ultimately, Janas might not care about these things now. But when Janas is thirty one years old and he's having. Seasons that are just as good as the one he's having but because there's somebody new and younger and Shinier coming along and that person had a historic season. Now, all of a sudden his accomplishments at a much later age in that should have in my opinion that should be accounted for when you're doing things at an age that have never been done. When you're doing things in your career that have never been done. That was one thing that somebody pointed out to me that never took an place Lebron James Literally at lead the NBA and assist for the first time in his career and he's at seventeen years. Why? Because his team needed him to do that right and that was something that was magnificent. When you look at Janas he was great but only did which is consistently improve on what he did last year not necessarily added something to his game. He didn't his prideaux percentage in go up his three points three pointer was not effective. Especially, we saw that Lake Game. So I understand why everyone's frustrated I understand why bronze frustrated I understand why Janas? Talking about it's just weird. The way we're going about this in there needs to be an adjustment in it because Janas had a great statistical season but I don't know if he was the best player in basketball last year he was I mean that that is, of course what poor Ramona has now heard me say for five straight years that is the question right? That is the point that is the inflection point at, and frankly it is even more of an issue now than it was. When I started talking about this five years ago because with every year, the statistical pressure of all of that has gotten so great because we have more statistics, win access to games actually started covering the NBA you got a game of the week on national television and that was kind of it and people saw Michael Jordan, a million times, and and and all of that. Now, we have access to all the tape of every single game, every stat imaginable and you're talking about Richard lebrons context of. A Hey, he did this in this season or Janas didn't add this season again right now that is not what they tell you to vote on and they don't give you the most clear instructions but they do say it's supposed to be on this particular regular season not in comparison to his previous season's not about what he might do in the play offs. Not About who is the best player? is about what a guy did with the stats for this season and I have said over. And over again, I think is a mistake as we have gone through the last three and a half decades without modernizing the major awards in this league to not have a distinction between who had the most outstanding statistical season. However, you WanNa, put it best season most outstanding season, the season, versus who is the best player in the NBA and I. think that is a lot of what Lebron James was frustrated with rate. It was it was like no I'm I'm the best player in the NBA. Because that's not what the award is for right now drives I'll go back to these Shaquille O'Neal was the most dominant man on the planet for like ten to twelve season dominant man it wasn't even close and I believe he has to MVP's and I feel like that part is something that again, who was the best player in the league versus who is having the best typical season well, and here's by the way Kobe and Lebron were the flipflop of this back in I think two, thousand, nine, ramone you're going to be no chapter and verse on this that Kobe was considered the best player in the NBA in two thousand, nine Lebron won the award because he had the best stats. So he has been the beneficiary of this conundrum, and now he is working against him, and I would just again urge the NBA to consider modernizing the awards so that we can make a distinction between who had the best season versus hey, who do we think is the best player in the NBA this year and by the way that can change from year to year because if we had those two awards, I, would have given best player in the NBA this year last season to Kevin. Durant rate he had a better. Man He's the best player in the league this season last year this year. I would give that to Lebron James Hands, down but the best statistical season one to Janas I I just again think that there can be a differentiation. All right. Before we go to break, I do address something from this past weekend. So. I talk sometimes about the women of the NBA and often someone will try to correct me and say you mean the WNBA and I'll say, no I mean the NBA. Yes. What you see on TV when you watch the NBA is men playing basketball. But in every corner of the sport, there are women all through the League Office Team Front Offices Training Staffs coaching staffs. And none of them me included would be able to do jobs. We do the way we do them if it wasn't for Ruth Bader GINSBURG honestly, if you're an American woman who appreciates not having, ask your father or husband for permission to manage your own finances property health, you owe a gigantic debt to the notorious, our BG something the wnba recognized with a lovely video tribute before it's playoff game last night. So it was surprising then and disappointing frankly when the NBA chose not to do the same despite that it just last month the League held such meaningful moments of silence for not just politician and civil rights icon John Lewis, but actor Chadwick Bozeman. If you are league that holds equality as a core value and I know for sure that this league does the icons of that equality can't just be those who helped the men that we all see on TV, but those who pave the way for the women who work right alongside them after all the NBA is significantly stronger because of all the women who work in and around it and we are all significantly stronger because young lawyer dedicated her life to allowing us to have those opportunities. So thank you Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I don't know how much basketball you watched but I know you had a hand in making our game better. And I know you will be missed. Two. Point two one seconds remaining Dandruff Ouda give. Yokich. Trying. To disrupt Rondo he puts it in. Here's Davis four three in the win. Davis Guy's. More big Tom Place. Require. Alexi, those shots I wanted to big time place. Don. Let's look back on game to the Western Conference finals from the nuggets perspective. The comeback kids almost pulled it off again this time Denver was down as many as sixteen in the third quarter. And lost the final three seconds such dramatic fashion Richard Juicy Silver Lining for your old team for their play. Last night are do I. Do see a little bit of a silver lining mainly mainly from the standpoint of their building confidence right? They got to build confidence in and they know that they can come back against a against the clippers they proved. That they could come back this whole post-season. So here they had they were down sixteen they had the lead they had a one point lead with two seconds ago Lakers had no timeouts and Anthony Davis hit a historic shot. So if you're the Denver Nuggets, it's like, Hey, we're down to we've been here before, but we're gaining competence and we're playing better. Ramona anything. Look I think after game one they walked out of there saying you know all our stars got invalid trouble. They never really got going the big the big show you know Yokich having to assist in game one that you can write that game off game to the negative right there and I know that we're down at the end there but they really started getting yokich going and when Yokich gets going, he starts dishing out of says Jamal Murray gets going. That they found something their in game two especially towards the end a game to that I think they take with them throughout the series and plus. Bid Down Three one before several times. This is nothing new they have but I would say this couple of things and I agree with you by the way both of you guys that they did find some silver lining here but a few things we thought the clippers we're going to be this crazy hard second round opponent for them. They were not right. The Clippers didn't lose that series by putting up some incredible great effort and it was best against best in the nuggets beat them. The Clippers did not play the when the way anyone including themselves expected them to. Were able to come in. So they have not playing the Utah Jazz to in the first round. They have not faced a team that is running on all cylinders like the Lakers. So I just think kind of like the Miami. Heat and Jimmy Butler we're talking about you cannot count on hey, we'll come back from a three one deficit hey we'll come back from double digit leads this is a team playing at a different level than anyone they have faced in the previous two rounds and I would also just say Richard you want to jump in here but I would say you gotTa stop talking about the fells you just got to you got to stop that. But. I don't think that that was officiating. It was just merely a fact that somebody they got into trouble native those minutes the only thing I will say this. Yes. When we talked about the clippers hitting on all cylinders, they were up three games to one. That's pretty that's a lot of cylinders maybe not all but that's Really GonNa tell me that last round nuggets clippers was great team against great team executed executing both at their highest level, and just the nuggets were the ones who won because that I got what I saw I would just not what I saw I was. Around. Is, not what I saw in game seven. Yes. So my point is they are playing against a team. Now that is executing on all cylinders and I just don't think you can count on low worry. We can get in the three hundred home we'll be fine. Then it's not going to happen. Team that's played. Richard Pick the nuggets in seven. Okay. Up Next, we will discuss which eastern conference finalists will benefit more the three day layoff that we're in the middle of between games three and four stick around to find out that you are watching the. The Gym is presented by best buy if you can't be there be there bring the game home when you upgrade to a big Sony TV tonight. Playoffs role on tomorrow with the best of five semifinals. The Sun. Square off against MVP Asia Wilson and the top-seeded Aces. That's seven eastern were civic and then the legs taken Brown stored on the storm both games on ESPN two and the ESPN APP, and we will have game four of the Eastern Conference finals between the Celtics and heat Wednesday night eight, thirty eastern I'll be on the sidelines for that one lead the series two to one NBA countdown is going to get started at seven thirty on espn deportees and the APP and right here on the job it's crunch time. Michael Jordan just keeps on winning on Saturday ESPN's the last dance won an Emmy for outstanding documentary or nonfiction series beating out tiger king. congrats libby guys in the whole. BIG ESPN UB Tiger can actually the two biggest things during quarantine but the fact that you could king that's the people scoffing at all it's going to win. That was no easy feat because Dr King. What was your favorite last dance moment grass my favorite part tiger kings. Carol. Baskin definitely. Did it. That's one hundred percent. Part about it was Michael Jordan. Scottie pippin there is no Michael Jordan Nah. There we go. There we go. Steve wants to be thrown allegedly at you allegedly, Carol Basket did it allegedly Although the security guards doing the shrug was right. That was that was. Let's talk about golden auctions because they sold the one of one Janas Rookie Card on Sunday for one point eight million dollars. That is a record for basketball card in two thousand, fourteen someone the bought the cards for seven thousand dollars and return the car back to its ebay seller after buying it because it had a yellow stain on it. Now it goes for one point eight. Ramona. How big regret do you think that the buyer had returning to back in two thousand fourteen? Oh my gosh I mean I I didn't know that like cards were such a coming right now I'm GonNa to my garage and dig up my baseball cards. Sat. There are days I feel like we do have a tickets at the panic in two, twenty twenty, but it's a different. Different scenario remote. Ma Want to get to this raptors issue most juries said in a news conference. Last week, he has yet to engage with Toronto ownership on a contract extension. This current deal it does end in two, thousand, twenty one ends tomorrow still though it is an issue last week, the raptors extended head coach Nick Contracts. So how much of a priority is for the Raptors Ramona to extend aside this off-season Okay Messiah can get an extension anytime he. He is the Lebron James of of basketball executives right now, he doesn't have to sign an executive. To do that. He can keep his leverage. He can keep his flexibility and over the last couple of years there have been some intriguing jobs that have come up where his name has been linked to them, and he hasn't necessarily moved into any of those jobs right? Obviously The Washington job with the wizards. Job When that came open none of those ever got to the part where he ever officially talked to them or could talk to them because he was under contract. So why sign in extension? Why not keep your options open if I'm Toronto I want him to sign extension because I don't want him ever talk to anybody else but if you're Masai, keep your leverage Masai is the master of this part of the reason he didn't sign his extension with Denver and that. was what opened up the door for him to get the job in Toronto there was like a handshake agreement. It's like we're going to bring you back. We're GONNA workout deal and then he was like, Hey, can I go talk to Toronto and letting him go talk to Ronald they offered him a boatload Denver's more of a small market very conservative with how they how they handle management but messiahs going to do what Masai once he has the golden ticket it does He printed the goal. The have the Golden. The golden in his possession, I'd rather have a sized golden ticket than that Jaanus rookie card just offer one point eight, million, 'cause 'cause Messiah will make. More money than that's true. He can take his time. He's going. He's literally the one of the most respected guys in the history of that position right now. No I think he's Kinda at the point where if he did want to move to another franchise, he could almost not every team but there is a lot of teams kind of like Lebron. James. If he pointed to your team, even if he had didn't have room erased. I kinda think Messiahs at the we're not every team, but for a lot of teams if he said, you know what I'd actually like to come here they would. They would make that room for him. I do want to shift to the eastern. Conference finals before we go here, Celtics Heat doesn't pick back up again toll Wednesday for game for that means both teams have three full days off to recover such a big difference from playing every other day as they have been through most of the postseason. So who not long layoff benefit more Richard, the Celtics or the heat. Benefits Boston Celtics because you get more practice time with Gordon. Hayward. He's able to kind of reintegrate himself into their system and what they're doing and just kind of get himself back into that rhythm not that he wasn't practicing are working out what they can run over schemes they could ask questions, they can get that. So I think that benefits the Celtics. Yeah I think about if it's a celtic to me, right. So you had a great report on Gordon and his wife, the their fourth kid did she have it? Isn't right now as I know although I am not as you know and hospital. Can't say for sure I mean he obviously was dealing with some real life stuff as well he had had some time at home while he was rehabbing from the ankles. So he decided to stay in the bubble play as opposed to go home for the birth of his his child. Obviously. The guy's been through a lot and he said after the game like I haven't been too tired and a long time but the they obviously they needed him and so this gives him some time to get his legs under him because he's been dealing. Him there's no doubt right and he actually saw before halftime actually asked out of the game team. So tired at one point. And yes by the way they haven't had. To do walk throughs and all of that Richard because he came back and when quarantine and then pretty much got thrown into this situation. So it's been very limited their time with him but I will say I think this daily off will benefit the heat. Tremendously those guys are tired. They have been coming back from those deficits. You could see it on the court and here's something interesting. There were a couple times in that fourth quarter that I saw almost every key member of the heat with his hands on his knees, and that is very unusual for Miami. In fact, in Miami, they have all saying for it when they see other teams do that in the fourth quarter and They think about how good their conditioning program is there like, Oh, they're cracking the other teams cracking. That's what they say to each other when they see the hands on the knees well, guess what they had their hands on their knees a couple times during that fourth quarter. So I am interested to see with these three days do for them and also just the strategy obviously Boston through new things that there's zone that they hadn't done before Gordon Hayward is now in there I think those three days will help them as well. We will see Ramona. Thank you so much for joining us. Richard is going to be with me the rest of the way here the returns tomorrow we'll see.

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Lakers Defeat Pistons In Double Overtime

Lakers Nation Podcast

53:45 min | 2 months ago

Lakers Defeat Pistons In Double Overtime

"Bleeding purple and gold from the Heart of Los Angeles. Yes. Here's the lakersnation.com podcast with your host Trevor Lane. Hello Lakers Nation. Welcome and the Lakers get the win in double overtime. Yeah, that was kind of a joyless game until the bron James got going on a double OT, I believe at 8 points there in the second overtime, but they get the win over the Pistons takes double overtime to get it done while we've got a lot to talk about and a lot of it is not pleasant. A lot of it is not good. Not the way we wanted to go into Super Bowl Sunday. Certainly Piggly when you're playing one of the worst teams in the NBA in the Detroit Pistons Pistons, you are also for missing Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose. So we're going to break down exactly what happened why it happened ways that that can be fixed, especially coming off of such an incredible performance, especially in the second half against the Denver Nuggets. So what went down will break it all down. We're going to be taking your questions and comments as well. So if you're coming in from YouTube from Facebook from Periscope welcome and I am traveling from lakersnation.com. This is the Lakers Nation live show. We are going to be doing something tonight. We're going to give away some lakersnation.com license plate frames, but if you haven't heard we actually do have a Kobe Bryant Jersey contest going on right now where you can win one of the blue Kobe Bryant jerseys the the Blue version of the city Edition Jersey from this season, and you can get that one. It's a number 8 Kobe jersey. And all you got to do is make sure you are subscribed to the Lakers Nation YouTube channel, make sure I turned on notifications and then you've gone through the link that's in the description down below and you can you can do that and get all signed up for it. So really cool. That's the first place prize you get your own Kobe Bryant's jersey and we're giving away 17 second place prizes that it is a Lakers Nation grab-bag. We're giving away one for every Championship. The Lakers have won and in there will be a lakersnation.com water bottle. Also be a lakersnation.com license plate frame tee shirt and some stickers as well. So some good second place prizes and additions. So even if you don't get the Kobe jersey, you might get something else. That's pretty cool. So make sure you guys followed link down below and you get into our contest. All right, let's get into it. Let's do this. It's not going to be pretty but let's get through this thing here. The Lakers wage 35 to 1:29. LeBron James and Anthony Davis 33 for LeBron 11 assists for steel seven turnovers 1326 shooting no problem there three of seven from Deep including a couple of big ones off wot, Anthony Davis 30 points only five rebounds. What is going on there? Only five rebounds for Anthony Davis to blocks 3 assists 143 from Deep hasn't changed very many threes lately. So I guess we'll take that he made that he made one but the big number here is not so much the points. They scored Anthony Davis 45 minutes LeBron James 46 minutes. That's too many. That's the problem with coming out here in a game where you should be resting those guys in the fourth quarter. They shouldn't have to play at all. This should be a like 28-minute night off from both of those guys and instead you've doubled that right almost. Hey instead, you've got them playing 45 and 46 minutes that's crazy days. They should not be having to play that many minutes against a team like the Detroit Pistons and I think it comes down to the mental side of things right when you are approaching a game like this we talked about this in the pregame show talked about the Lakers needed to come out and get some Revenge they needed to use that as motivation the fact that the Pistons beat them the last time they played them not just over a week ago, and apparently they didn't do that. Well, I did for some stretches at one point the Lakers would 17-point lead. And then they stopped just stopped stopped scoring the basketball. They went between the fourth quarter and then into the first overtime the Lakers went over six minutes outside of point. Didn't put the ball in the basket. That is a long scoring drought at a terrible time. And again, let's give some credit to the Pistons here. I mean Josh Jackson my goodness. He got going 28 points five of ten deep. He willed them back to life in the fourth quarter, but still the Lakers need to take care of business and come out with the energy that's required to put a team away. They just kind of assumed the Pistons were going to go away and they didn't credit the Detroit they kept fighting but the Lakers didn't do what they needed to do. And as a result you've now put extra minutes on to LeBron James and Anthony Davis, that's the downside right now again, the good thing at least they didn't get a loss. They won the game certainly important that they won this game and I think it's a especially when you're trying to keep Pace with the other page at the top of the NBA, but then a shorter 22 points for boards eight assists really solid outing from him 14 from kuzma. Kyle kuzma. I tried out a new nickname for kuzma on a video that I released earlier today. The chameleon Kyle kuzma. I called The Boy Who Lived nice little Harry Potter reference there, but I think we can go on the chameleon because Four Seasons every single season Kyle kuzma has had to change his game change his role with the Lakers and he's had to adapt on the Fly and that's exactly what he's done. And I think we are seeing the best Kyle kuzma right now, even though his points are down. His usage rate is down everything else. He's doing though is much better. He's more rebounds more Blocks. He's his defensive rating is better than it's ever been his 3-point percentage better than it's ever been. So nice performance today from Caguas Magan 14 and 6 Montrezl Harrell only seven points only seven for trades but eight boards two Steals and then 10 a piece for tht and Alex Caruso. We do have to have faith a little talk here about Talen Horton Tucker, but let me get into some of these comments. All right. Well, let's let's address this right off the top from YouTube Joseph Pellegrino. And by the way, Joseph guys suck. Whose name I called during the show. Yeah, you get a lakersnation.com license plate frame. All you got to do is send me your name and mailing address on Twitter. Send it to at Trevor underscore Lane, right? There's a d m and I will send you a lakersnation.com license plate frame. So Joseph Pellegrino said the refs were one-sided at the end of the game so many missed calls. Yes, and I mentioned it on back order and it's frustrating when you watch that right when you're watching that game and your Lakers fan and you already feel bad you you know, you just you're annoyed that the Lakers or even in this situation you're playing a pistol aimed that's missing to their veteran guys, Derrick Rose and Blake Griffin by the way sounded like Derrick Rose is on the verge of being traded. We'll talk about that in a bit, but they're missing those guys and then the referees are missing calls missing files calling fouls for the Pistons not calling fouls when the Lakers are doing similar things. It's frustrating but you always gotta go back to the Lakers should be dead. His position these calls shouldn't matter referees are human. They're going to miss calls sometimes and yes, it can be extremely frustrating but they should not matter this game should be a 20-point Lakers lead right now, and we wouldn't be complaining about the calls because the game would be over instead. The Lakers were still playing and that is our own fault. They they shot themselves in the foot all night long. Hopefully, this is a good lesson. But again, we thought we thought that maybe they would have learned this last time they played the Pistons, but it doesn't appear that they did because they definitely took their foot off the gas pedal. People ask you. Why is this double o t that's what we were asking during the game if you missed the game and you're just coming in and you're seeing double OT what happened? I don't know what to tell you. Look the Lakers Shaq an incredible percentage from the field, but they turned the ball over like crazy. They were so sloppy with the basketball and we talked about this again on the pregame show we talked about how they needed to come out sharp and focused. That's it even 80% effort and just be focused. And you win this game, but instead they turned it over turned it. In fact, they cleaned up their turnovers mostly and OT and still finished the game with 22 turnovers 2252 turnovers for this Lakers team. That was their Achilles heel tonight. They just kept turning the ball over one time after another seven for LeBron James. But again, his usage rate is so high you expect the turnovers to be up there three or four router three apiece for Caruso and Talen Horton Tucker. Not the best Alex Caruso game. He still made some decent plays down the stretch, but the three turnovers are not like him usually plays much better basketball than that. What was with the turnovers? Well, I think they were forcing things. I really feel like just mentally you felt like the The Cutting was not quite right. The timing on Thursday was just a little bit off and then they tried to force things a little bit too much because I think they felt they could get away with it that hey if we turned the ball over this time, we saw a lot of guys just kind of say okay my bad there wasn't that sense of urgency like, oh we cannot turn the ball over against this team. They had that in the second half against the Denver Nuggets this game. They didn't they didn't have that sense of we could actually lose this thing and I didn't like some of the body language once the Pistons caught up the Lakers just kind of went I didn't see the anger that you want to see out of them. The fire didn't really see you tonight. and that was kind of the case last used I remember this being an issue at that point too and to a degree that can be a good thing when you have a team who doesn't get too high doesn't get too low stays on an even Keel throughout the season a positive to that but still from the fans side you're watching this you're frustrated you want to see the Lakers get frustrated and it just go out there and take it out on the Pistons and say no okay we're not letting this happen we're going to just win this game and take you down and they didn't do that until the bron James hit some threes and double O T I think LeBron James at that point we just Don he said look I want to go home guys so I'm just going to hit a couple of threes make sure there's nothing you can do about it and let's just go okay that's kind of what LeBron did to finish this thing off Anthony Davis, let's talk about him. Let's talk about this cuz a lot of people are mentioning this Garvin from Facebook Anthony Davis's Rim protection looks so bad and he didn't seal Plumley on that back door pass from Brown. He's playing softball. Okay, let's talk about it Anthony Davis. I've been saying for a while now and we just talked about a couple of days ago. That a d We Shouldn't Judge this what month long maybe slump that he's been in where he's not hitting free. Throws hasn't been shooting. Well from the from the field and took three or four from the line tonight, which is fine, but we shouldn't judge him just based on a small stretch. That's not fair. He's at an entire career of being dominant incredible both ends of the floor. That's what we should take as who Anthony Davis really is we shouldn't look at this as okay A D is that guy right now? He's just he's just this player now. then there was a play tonight and I know there were a lot of places we could point you but there was this one in particular just stood out Josh Jackson gets Anthony Davis one-on-one a d is from memory he's about a step below the free throw line Josh Jackson does a little Shack he drives to his right and scores the layup Anthony Davis took a little step and and I was like waiting as soon as I saw Jackson make the move I'd my my head said Anthony Davis's and I was kind of blocked this he's going to go to shoot a layup and Anthony Davis is going to get this thing into the stands because that's what he would have done last year tonight He kind of just stopped and he watched him score to the point. It was it was so noticeable that I grabbed my phone and I had stayed away from the box score for most of the night cuz I'm down to just watch the game and just absorb it that way and not worry about individual stats just kind of taking it and I actually grabbed my phone and pulled up the box score cuz I'm like is Anthony Davis and foul trouble and I didn't know what I assumed. Okay, maybe he's got like four or five fouls or something right now and he can't get any contact. That's that must be what just happened. He had one fellow at that point one foul. Something's going on there where he's just not quite as explosive and you know there have been some people who have been talking Draymond Green had some comments earlier today about certain players who are not in as good of shape as they should be at this point. Now wonder if he was talki