17 Burst results for "Mary Tudor"
The Aloönæ Show
"mary tudor" Discussed on The Aloönæ Show
"And anyway, so I wrote this book on Shakespeare where I, you know, I claimed that Shakespeare didn't did not write Shakespeare, that kind of thing. So that inspired her comments, I think. Okay. That was very, very interesting. Yeah, it was interesting. And I'm not going to lie. When you said at the part where she was fired up, I thought you were going to say, as soon as that happened, she made you sleep on the couch. Just about. It was pretty close. Yeah. Oh boy. I'm not lying. But here's the thing. Okay, so this is the thing that about Shakespeare that there is no direct evidence that anyone other than William Shakespeare wrote William Shakespeare. His name is on the plays on the sonnets, the quartos or whatever. And the first folio, which includes like 36 of his plays. So the thing that I guess I'm one of those people that when I haven't something bothers me in my head, I'm like a dog with a bone that I keep chewing it kind of thing. So the thing that didn't make sense to me was really why would anybody at that time really want to put their name on the plays? Like, why would you want to be known for writing these plays? To me, that didn't really make sense. And that's why I didn't think that he really wrote them. You want me to continue or the time in the world? Okay, so here's the thing. You remember there was a King Henry VIII, he had several wives and a couple of marriages that he had known, and then he beheaded a couple of wives. Remember that? King Henry VIII, he really wanted a male heir and okay, so the male heir, his name was King Edward the 6th and he died when he was like 15 years old and then came Queen Mary Tudor. They called her Bloody Mary and then after her was Queen Elizabeth. And she that was Queen Elizabeth I. She reigned England for like 44 years. She was the daughter of King Henry VIII. So back then, if according to the like there was an edict of 1350, where a ruler what could be like a serial killer.
Hysteria
"mary tudor" Discussed on Hysteria
"She points out that the earthly could've looked like anybody but she chose to look the way that she looked and still was like fabulous and happy. So maybe we should think ursula cooler than she actually gets credit for being Dana did you ever want to be princess as a child. And do you wanna be a princess. Now so i had to. I have two sisters. And so i feel like my main media diet growing up. Was disney movies like that was just like you know. We're very than age but there's three girls we're just gonna watch disney movies through for ten years so i feel like that very much like informed my Understanding of what. It is to be a cool girl. It's like yeah you're pretty live in a palace you're rich like things that now. I wish i didn't associate so much with like success. Being like thin and wrench But then i also became obsessed with like when i was a kid like why novels about like real life princesses like books and like mary tudor and young elizabeth. The i like. I was fascinated by those stories. And so i sort of wanted to be one of those. Even though they're all like unhappy stories disney princess all. It's awful every one of those stories is unhappy. Cue go little bit more into it. Who is the saddest real princess. Oh i mean. They're all but like maybe. I had this book that i read so often About mary tudor. Who is the oldest daughter of king henry. The eighth and people know like oh he liked divorce tried to divorce her mom katherine berrigan's lake mary and berlin but like there was a daughter who just like saw her. Mom get exiled. Her mom get disturbed disgraced and then her dad married some new betty and then she basically was You know send away from the palace anxiety and ignored for like a good five years. What about eleanor of aquitaine. Wasn't she pretty good. was she not shaved. Cool see less of a princess sheep bypass princess and went straight to queen. This is now daynuss history coroner. I love eleanor back. What team with. Richard the lionheart. Eleanor of aquitaine was like an error. S she like inherited the richest woman in europe. Then she became the queen of france and then after he died also the queen of england. Wow see there's some stores i'm able to do like she skipped being a princess predecessors just being upon you wanna just be a queen yeah it would have been like if john kerry's wife teresa heinz would have run for president and one who's writing that i know but that would be great. Maybe you akilah Get to now like we're both busy Elissa when you were growing up with disney princess movies Did you ever want to be a princess like did you have a favorite disney princess. And if.
Jocko Podcast
"mary tudor" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"They were developing starter and so the teachers actually believed the same thing and told them to point out their mistakes when they spoke and don't allow them to speak unless they say it correctly and all this stuff and it had a super negative effect on these kids. I mean these poor kids freaking awful Here's a little this is from miss. Mary tudor the graduate student that ran the experiments she said all of the subjects showed tim. Similar type of speech behavior during the experimental period a decrease in verbal output of all six subjects. These are the ones that were told. You're gonna stutter. That is that they were reluctant to speak spoke. Only when they were urged to the rate of speaking was decreased they spoke more slowly and with greater exactness. They had a tendency to wait each word before they said it. Their length of response were shorter to younger. Subjects responded with one word whenever possible. They were more self conscious. They appeared shine embarrassed in many situations. They accepted the fact. There was something definitely wrong with their speech. Every subject reacted to speech interruptions in the same manner some hung or in some manner. Some hunger heads others gasped and covered their mouths with their hands. Others laughed with embarrassment in every case that shave. The child's behavior changed noticeably. And then she concluded in this that the she she her findings supported or they're finding supported the hypothesis that evaluative labeling can influence behavior august seventeenth. Oh then she went back after these kids were all messed up and had messed up speech. She went back to the orphanage to try and reverse the effects now using positive language and after a little while she reported quote she was unable to provide enough positive therapy to reverse the effects three and horrible right seventeen august two thousand seven. The state of iowa awarded one point two million dollars to the children for lifelong psychological and emotional scars just from the experience from the freakin experiment. My point in reading this or talking about it is be careful what you say to people especially kids obviously especially kids but it's everybody you know what's interesting is. I'm around people when they have to speak a lot in front of crowds or they're gonna present something. Look while i was in the military. Have a young officer that had to present something for the first time or and my instinct was always to not be hypercritical. Because i figured that would only hurt them right saying. Hey you better not screw this up. Do you need to speak clear. I wouldn't say that kind of thing i'd say. Yeah hey man just just imagine that you're just briefing. You know fred there in the front row. No big deal. Just just be natural. You're a good speaker. I would tell them that kind of thing. That was always my instinct. Now if i had some time to work with someone might sit him down and say hey. Listen here's how you talk. Let's record it. Let's look at it but if it was sort of. Hey someone's getting ready to present in twenty minutes or two tomorrow. I wouldn't get them all amped up you got. You got to quit saying all the time i to say because it's going to get worse they're gonna lock up brain. Lock the instinct. That i had was tell them. Hey don't worry about. It's no big deal you. Oh you know this stuff well. Oh yeah that was a good brief. It makes a lot of sense. Tell him that kind of thing. Let their conference raise a little bit and apparently that instinct was good. Because the worst thing you can do is. Hey you're gonna lock up. Just try your best not to lock. Just whatever you do. Yeah that's gonna be your your don't even look professional if there that kind of thing brain lock. It's weird to how much of this is specific to speech. Speech is a really specific. Kind of thing right. You can kind of hear it. It's an immediate feedback loop. When you're doing it you could say to someone. Don't choke during the game. You don't choke when you're taking the shop. The penalty kick. I bet that doesn't know so. That is a little excerpt of what we are doing..
Jocko Podcast
"mary tudor" Discussed on Jocko Podcast
"This is the john underground podcasts. It's number twenty six. You got echo charles here for his commentary. Henmi jaakko willink I come across things from time to time. And i know for a little bit while remember. We dipped into some psychological experiments and whatnot. Little bit good understand. Show you some stuff about human nature. There's usually but more more to the story than you initially think there was one that kind of caught. My eye was doing some reading the other day and this one was called the monster study. That's what it's called now. Wasn't called that at the time person named wendell johnson. I guess a psychologist named wendell johnson. Nineteen thirty nine davenport. Iowa conduct this experiment. The was accurate by graduate student. Her name was mary tudor. They took twenty two kids. That had some kind of speech impediment Actually specific stutter took him from an orphanage and they tried to see if they could help stuttering kids by giving them positive feedback. How bad it hurts them if they gave them negative feedback and if they took normal kids what it would do to normal kids if they told him had a speech impediment. And look. i'm not gonna detail the the whole experiment but basically you had to groups and then there was two subgroups in those group. One aim groupie group one and group one b. These were kids that actually stuttered and in group one a they told the kids. Like hey Don't worry you'll outgrow the stuttering. You'll be able to speak even much better than speaking now. Don't worry about what other people say it's gonna you'll grow out of it. No b. gill. That's how they treated those kids then in group e there they would tell the kids that stoddard. It's gonna get worse this kind of stuff just evil. I mean right kinda just evil like even when you hear it now. That's why they call it. The monster study so. That's where the kids that actually stuttered. Then they had some kids that had normal speech and one group of the kids that had normal speech. They said you know. Hey you're really eloquent. You're ray articulate. Just that kind of stuff just treated him gave him praise the other group. They told them that. And i have a little quote here they had. They told him that the staff is come to the conclusion that you have a great deal of trouble with your speech. You have many of the symptoms of a child. Who's beginning to stutter. You must try to stop yourself immediately. Use your willpower. Anything to keep from stuttering. Don't ever speak unless you can do it right. You see how from me. And they'd give the name of a kid that had really bad stuttering. He started the same way as you and then they told the staff that worked with these kids just a regular staff that worked with them that they had that they were going to it.
Noble Blood
"mary tudor" Discussed on Noble Blood
"King henry. The eighth died at age. Fifty five in fourteen fifty seven and edward just nine years old became king edward the six because he was still a minor. He was only king in name really. The country was being run by a regency council. I led by his maternal uncle. Edward seymour duke of somerset but later dominated by a man named john dudley who distinguished himself with his military victories particularly the way he put down a group of anti landowner rebels in norwich in an uprising called catch rebellion the regency council operating on behalf of edward. The sex started making a lot of religious changes to the church of england. This is going to be a vast vast over-simplification of a very complicated issue. But this isn't edwards episode so in the broadest possible terms. Even though king henry the eighth had declared himself separate from the pope and head of the church of england. The church of england under henry wasn't all that different from catholicism. But then under edward this particularly under the influence of thomas cranmer the archbishop of canterbury sweeping religious reforms were enacted. The book of common prayer written in english becomes the church's liturgy. Priests are allowed to marry worship of idols and relics became discouraged. The church of england was already protestant but it became protestant. It should be noted that at this time protestantism was still considered the religion of a wealthy minority the people with access to education and new information about culture and the goings on of greater europe. England was still by and large catholic country and mary tudor eldest daughter of henry. The was still a catholic woman. That would be what would cause the most friction in the relationship between mary and her half brother king mary. A woman in her thirties spent most of her time on her own estates where she was still privately attending mass in latin. A representative from court arrived telling her to stop. Mary stood her ground writing a letter back to her brother. Edward the sex diplomatically. Saying how much she loved and honored him and that she needed to remain true to her faith and continue to attend mass in the language. That was good enough to be used at their father's funeral. When mary came to court in fifteen fifty for christmas thirteen year old edward publicly reprimanded her in person for her disrespect. The scene was a humiliation for both of them. Embarrassing for the boy pretending to be an all powerful king dressing down his adult sister..
Noble Blood
"mary tudor" Discussed on Noble Blood
"If you've ever been a child out a sleepover party chances are you've played a game called bloody mary. This is how it works. You the tiny sleepover attendee. Go into a bathroom and turn the light off. You're holding a candle or maybe a flashlight. You close the door behind you so that you're alone in the dark. It's at this point that the only sounds you can hear. Are your friends muffled giggles from the other side of the door. Your own breathing. You're supposed to look into the mirror holding the candle aloft and repeat the name bloody mary ten times. If you dare most often you get to about six or seven and bail on the experiment shriek and explode from the bathroom and claim that you saw something. That your so freaked out then you and your friends all laugh and drink some more diet coke and go watch addams family values on vhs kids at slumber parties at least in my experience were too frightened to get up to saying the name bloody mary ten times according to the men if you were holding a candle and looking in a mirror in a darkened bathroom and you said the name bloody mary ten times you would see her face reflected in the mirror behind your own who is bloody mary. The specter of slumber parties. It's hard to find an exact answer as with so much mythology and lower rumors and speculations vine themselves together until they're impossible to unravel from fact some say that bloody mary is actually a witch who was hanged at salem although evidence for that is fairly nonspecific but historically the nickname bloody mary was ascribed to an actual woman queen mary. The i of england. Mary tudor the oldest daughter of king. Henry the eighth eventually became a queen. She was a devout catholic who burned protestant heretics at the stake and act which eventually led to her bloody nickname. Mary became a hated figure. Decried as one of the worst monarchs in history. A woman tyrannical monstrous. If you believe the rumors the cocktail bloody. Mary was named for her as well. The tomato juice for the blood of protestant martyrs and vodka to symbolize the flames of the pyre. God knows what the clam juice was supposed to be. Maybe the way she expanded the navy but hated as bloody. Mary is in theory today before her coronation. The people rejoiced as mary road into london to claim her crown. There was cheering in the streets and a swell of popular support. She was a beloved figure. A heroin come home to save the kingdom from usurpers. So how did the first female monarch of england in her own right go from becoming a populist hero to a monster out of a mess the answer is unsurprisingly complicated history is written by the victors and victors in the case of england's religious disputes. Where the protestants for mary. The combination of an unpopular marriage military losses and the failure to produce an air became a perfect storm ensuring a legacy that would be vulnerable to the interpretation of her enemies and everyone from children at slumber parties to historians loves a bloody villain. I'm danish forts. And.
Real Monsters
"mary tudor" Discussed on Real Monsters
"I read that as ridden so the grammatical fuck ups. Yeah as actually sicu after the hose. That's pretty amazing. They participate in their online just to set that site and chat. There's a lot going on in that poem while they they got a lot of them on this page so back to the original scorecard you know all all. I'm you know i'm kind of thinking. I'm liking woo more than marry. And here's one here's just one reason. One reason is that we did a lot of good shit for country and mary just kinda burned people. This is true this is true. Okay so basically this month is mother's day real female killers month we should keep a A leaderboard oh okay. And i think okay. I think we've got who is number one right now and mary tutor. Its second just because we've only done the two. Yeah someone and that the the contest is what the you know. Who do we like the best who who was more justified. Yeah who's more justified in their behavior. Given the circumstances given the context so by that i mean the time and the the culture etc okay under those under just that easily woo. Because mary actually didn't have to burn anybody yeah that she believes that she had to so we have to look at it. From her point of view she actually fervently believed that she was doing good. there's been psychological analysis of her and she was so so convinced that god made her queen ruler of the country to bring the country back to god. Bring the country back to rome that she did this. She honest to god. I thought she was saving people's souls and saving the entire country so looking at it from her point of view she was perfectly justified but then looking at it feels like the bad shit they did is yeah so i don't think that's a rough of.
Real Monsters
"mary tudor" Discussed on Real Monsters
"And the nice thing about elizabeth. She didn't actually the whole reprisal thing like we did. She actually She kept a lot of mary's cancers in place. Just because you know continuity she brought in a few of own people William see so. The guy was trying to think before he was her adviser he started up by network for So she was you know she kinda hit the ground running with mary's help After her death anyway but yeah she nearly. She nearly lost her headed. Mary's hand show Choisy for life. She was okay so he's just killing all of these if she didn't okay so she didn't have a spark of psychosis when she was because of our upbringing and if she didn't have it before she started killing protestants after she had it and she started wearing armor and sleeping with weapons. There's definitely something going on there like something. Either one contributed to the other. It was already there. Or i don't know maybe there was a blood lust and it was inflamed. God i keep saying that i'm sorry Not on purpose. I swear. I'm not normally this clever There was definitely something. I have been sparked. Yeah for sure. Stay from the guy named wyatt is started a riot. Poetry lovely does sound like the beginning of limerick can do it in arabic pentameter please. We are talking nearly shakespeare day so come on with in rate really shakes if it if he really did right all of that guy not an. You're not one of those are you. I'm not one of anything just like you'd be controversial and run it. Just say something controversial in a room and then run throws dynamite boone. I don't typically show the dynamite. i'm more of the air. I you know i'm i'm the instigator. Who gives the ideas to other people and they go through dynamite it. Yeah yeah. that's that's nice. Yeah i have. I have noticed that actually. I've heard you do that a couple of times more than a couple of times before. Really listen to the show. Oh okay okay. So we've got these two rulers There are other rulers would be discussing another one. I guess next week Out of these two rollers. Let's see who do we okay. I it's gotta be woohoo wins right What's the what's the measure of Sylvia was always straight body. Count mary scott around three hundred. Woo check out twelve lines of a family. That's got to be more than three hundred right so okay so from a body count. Point of view wins hands down and longevity yes. She actually lived well into her eighties. Which was actually also unusual for the time. So yeah she and she was taking lovers right up until their eighty so Definitely wins Okay so what about Not necessity but like yeah like political necessity. Who who's more justified in the life..
Real Monsters
"mary tudor" Discussed on Real Monsters
"So it's it's not. It's not the severe protestant martin luther. Everybody sit on stone benches. You know life is hell. Yeah it's more. It's more a gentler kind of kind of protestantism but they still do masses and they still have like incense and things like that. Which a lot of. Protestants don't so i guess. Fine lines all over the place. Yeah everybody wants their religion just right for them. There is there is also the church of england still actually does exist stuff so he did officially start he was ahead of it and it is still going good. It sounds like i'm talking about a colt. What's the difference technique. Oh there. I mean somewhere. There's a line right one side you're a religion the other side you're called well. It gets difficult. Because even within religions there's divisions schisms in it's like there's so many branches is just. It's just. I don't know how people can even talk to each other. Sometimes when you're talking about well. I guess that's why you don't talk about religion politics right Here we are grave new world. So what hap- so. Mary reigned for four years according to your little drying there and then how did she get ousted. 'cause elizabeth took over right took over. Yes mary. mary became increasingly paranoid. Like i said she was sleeping in armor and she had a sword or knife under a pillow She also became increasingly. Ill and the theory is. I think that she might have had She had some sort of cancer. So like an ovarian cancer Or something like that and that actually killed her like she actually died. Shoe was not ousted. Nope she she died She died a legitimate death She she signed she. She had elizabeth death warranty for a number of times There's one particular rebellion and this resulted in That nine day queen. Jane being finally killed after being in prison for a year. There's name why he started a riot. And elizabeth was implicated it in wide started griot. Rebellion and elizabeth was implicated. Mary had a death warrant brought up in she was put into the tower and questioned and at one point it was. You know anybody's guess whether she was actually gonna be executed. It was that close. And i. Mary finally i don't know either. There was the psychosis that wasn't there for sister. She realized that was a sister She decided no she wasn't going to kill her. So she was put under house arrest Basically for the rest of mary's life and then once. Mary died mary. Supporters kind of had crawled elizabeth Sorry about putting you in the tower You're now queen. Hi.
Real Monsters
"mary tudor" Discussed on Real Monsters
"I think i think I think the whole product catholic saying that was going on during the reformation period Probably forced mary's hands. Maybe i don't know it's it's hard to justify your actions. I mean given her horrible upbringing and thought she was pretty much abandoned and then she was a bastard she was actually also made to go and work in the household of elizabeth when she was a baby so that can't have been very nice when she was seventeen. She was also threatened by her father when he wouldn't sign. Henry wanted everybody to sign over the fact that he was married and the succession. And you know that sort of thing. And she wouldn't sign it because she didn't agree with it and she was threatened with that she was threatened with death For that so she didn't have a pleasant upbringing so she must've. It must have affected her. Psychologically in some way so that when she and and her religious fervor together you've got a little spark of something and religious fervor and you put those two together. that's kana combustible. oh sure. Sorry my god. I'm sorry about the completely by accident. But i'm just wondering how much of that religious very very rich while she certainly carried a torch for her husband because manage she loved him. He did not love her but she was enamored the spanish dude the spanish dude. Yeah like liked him really and no one wanted him over in effect. He actually started courting elizabeth before mary was even dead. Well because you know he wanted england. He wanted england resources. You actually tried to get married to Commit to english resources in a war with spain against france and she actually to it and everybody was like. You're kidding me like you can't do this because she did everything he wanted. So people were not happy with that but fortunately he didn't spend a lot of time in england. He wasn't a fan of england or mary. Yes so that little picture. That little graphic. You've got on the screen right now. It actually shows how many people were buried. But unburned by like the tudor family. So mary over. Four years burned three hundred people. Such seventy five people. Each year henry. The eighth the nasty guy. Oh my pictures. Gone henry the nasty one. Let me get up in a more.
Real Monsters
"mary tudor" Discussed on Real Monsters
"Your sins were and they can spend less time in purgatory so if you were on the fence so if you believe in purgatory that means you. You're catholic. Which would you wouldn't be burning for being a protestant anyway if you were on the fence about it and that was like you were just about to burn than. Yeah you might. You might confessed and switch back to catholicism because you still had enough of that fear of purgatory I don't i should know this. I don't think since upper guitar do we know. They don't think we do now. Know really should no more. No i know for a fact. It's not a proudest in teaching spiritually catholic teaching any war too. But i went to Oh well actually okay. So i went to I was brought up as a scottish presbyterian just and it was It was basically i could. I went to sunday school. And then i was old enough to decide for myself. My parents let me decide for myself which was awesome. So i got the the the regular normal sunday school teaching and all that kind of stuff in a protestant and then when i was in university i dated a catholic gone for four years and sometimes part of our saturday night dates would be to go to matt's on saturday night and they actually did They actually did ask for people to pray for in purgatory like most weeks. And i and i think they have special masses like during the week so that you could actually specifically go and pray for souls in purgatory So that they could be less tormented or get out earlier so it's still very much a part of the religion. Yeah for the most part. Although on pope francis recently released something that was i thought. A revised purgatory. i probably should debut. I should've looked at that early. Really coming. I mean coming from mine. I was raised catholic and a half catholic catholic lutheran house doing to both but yet when i still consider myself a catholic but not a roman catholic i consider myself an old which Their history is interesting. it's actually on their dutch in. They basically hit a schism with rome. They believe in the catholic theology but they don't believe in things like april infallibility or the pope even being their ruler. So look this up. Because i'm familiar with this schism during like the. What is the tends Now those another. The great schism the east west schism in Familiar with that one and if we can hope in the anti pope. But i'm not familiar with your schism. You often send me the details in. Want to look it up union attract if i can find a source. That is not wikipedia. Sorry i don't believe in using the no. That's okay so tell me what you tell me what i would google. I've got. I've actually got a degree in religious studies so i probably got a book on my shelf someplace that i could find it. The union of utrecht ut r. e. c. h. t. he put a Lincoln the chad. Okay thank you. Sorry completely off topic. But i'm but i love religion another interesting thing there. leaves business. That was started by my great great grandfather actually prints missiles for the catholic church. That is so cool of the roman catholic church. Okay that is very cool..
Real Monsters
"mary tudor" Discussed on Real Monsters
"Mary the bastard hilarious with this hell. The episcopal church was basically founded on that whole divorce thing. But yeah really. It's it basically is. Everybody thinks that the protestant reformation actually started in england but it actually started with martin. Luther The ninety five theses and henry sort of picked up on it Various via various of counselors Any wanted to divorce anyway. And a couple of counselors purposes as surface purposes. A couple of one counselor said you know all that money from the chapels that are going to rome. You know you could have that. So that was pretty much though he married and they had a daughter Mary was declared a bastard and then and they have to do that really work. That seems a little punitive that he couldn't will they had to because they couldn't make ends marriage legitimate unless they made henry's previous marriage Yet to divorced at because the pope wouldn't given divorce he made himself head of the church and he divorced himself from her so that the it legitimized his marriage to an and his decision of course as well so it made him feel better. had a daughter Had him out of the miscarriage. It was the sun already van. By this point. It took seven years to get her in there only married for about three years when he decided he didn't want her found someone else so he cut her head off. He let's let's first wife languished and she kind of just died she. She may have cancer because it was easier than starting area. Ashley she does. He accused her of. She was never accused of witchcraft. She was officially accused treason because she was blamed for sleeping with other men Which she never did but it was trumped up charges. And because you were the property of the king and if anybody slough issue it was treasonous so that's basically why she got it and five other guys went with her including a brother bizarrely. Whoa so long story short. Oh clearly things of improved a great deal in the seven hundred years since wu. Yeah jam you can't just cut off people's had anymore like it used to be you i know even got a special Swordsman in from calais. Because she wasn't gonna go on the block. She was going to stand up on her. Like sort of like not stand but going her knees and it's kind of like upright so that it her head was sliced off instead of down with the app. English oxygen had a really bad reputation at the time of needing multiple wax. Yeah yeah in fact. Henry henry had an old woman who is a threat to his throne she was a plateau of the old plateau Lead he her executed in the executioner. I don't know. I think he took it four times. It was awful but anyway Let's see henry goes through. Another wife finally has a son but she dies twelve check twelve days after she has a son but finally has a son so yeah He marries another woman after that. Who comes from cleaves as soon as he sees her..
Real Monsters
"mary tudor" Discussed on Real Monsters
"Some do a lot of this stuff back then back in the same timeframe anchors shell people but the is a woman does it end. Oh no nature. So that's basically how she's viewed or we have and i don't know if it's just a western thing apparently not That you know that that's just not how women are. It's not part of their nature that somehow women are different than from men in when it comes to violence and guess what they're not as refined this month. You know there are. There are a lot of female rulers especially. I noticed that there's a lot of rulers that are particularly ruthless nobility. Now whether it's because you obviously written records about rulers more than other people. I don't know to be an awful lot of bloodthirsty women and that are ruling over people Absolutely we don't we know there are well. Let me put it this. There have not been a lot of female. Serial killers caught not at all now whether that means they they don't exist in the same numbers or they're just better at it. I don't know it can also mean. I think that we're not looking we. It's when you think of looking for the serial killers. He think of men in the popular mind. And that's the problem there. If you're not looking for you're not gonna find that why with us. That's kind of like a circular argument is why would you be looking for. If most of most of the syria is ninety nine percent of the serial killer men. You wouldn't bother looking for if if ninety nine percent of the ones you know of our men. Well yeah the whole point expanding your view. It's not circular it's just all about expanding it and doing what makes sense when you're looking at cases. Yeah and also remember like you brought up earlier that we're we're looking at something that happened fourteen hundred years ago Now i know. I know there are ruler. More modern than that i mean. I know we're going to talk about another one but it's a different culture is different time I know the chinese were hugely sophisticated with the writing and their history and their art. And just about everything at that time but it was a different time. It was completely different from us. And in order to stay in power. When you've got so many people. Vying for the thrones in violence and horrendous ways. You've got us step up and be violence in horrendous yourself. And that's a fair point. That was that was the nature of ruling for everybody. It wasn't sure. But then. I also she with her..
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"mary tudor" Discussed on Real Monsters
"I thought it'd be easier not to mention them all. It does get confusing. But i couldn't. I couldn't even find the names of the main members of the twelve branches like there are just too many of them So shortly shortly after doing all this she really kicks it up so she actually starts an affair with warming up warm it up shit sto. She started affair with a bug And a lot of a lot of the legend about her Focuses on her Her sexuality and how she was like sleeping around and all this kind of stuff and she would have lovers brought into her by her her. And i i really couldn't find any factual evidence for this But there is a reason why she so hated. And i'll go into that after. I go through a little bit more of our history So she she starts to secret police as she installed copper boxes around the country so people can record on each other anonymously and then the secret police will go and arrest them and do whatever is necessary so she makes her for son The one that's actually been kept prisoner and has given her the throne She makes him her hair her air and then of course you're suggests that maybe he's not a good idea. The courtiers battered to death There's just there's there's there's so much of this there's there's one actually quite amusing story But she was quite interested in the mystical so she Became enamored of a man. Who said he was five hundred years old. And there's another guy who said he was three hundred and fifty there was a non who said she could tell the future And at the time her old monk came back and decided that he was gonna burn down a couple of her great holes because he was jealous so she actually executed the non or students. The two men who said they were old. The ex boyfriend monk And they're all executed one for setting the fires and the other one's for not predicting the fires that's one thing i was going to ask about on the religion at the time because this was about roughly two hundred years before confucius. No actually. it's actually around the same time. So actually that's one of the reasons that she so vilified so the the major religions was confucianism taoism but was fairly new but she actually was one of the ones that made it that. Like the state official religion. She was very very crow. Buddhist the confusion confucianism. It's it's got some lovely sentiments but it's very very anti woman it's very having women. Rulers and having women in power was very anti the laws of nature so any sort of woman with power would be just complete enough emma to confucianists. And that's where you generally get all the really horrible writings about her. Now i'm saying horrible writings..
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"mary tudor" Discussed on Real Monsters
"The following year. It was made empress and for son is made air so she just she just slept right into that position. But but empress because she's married to the emperor right at this. She's yeah she is now she has. She's no longer a second level concubine. She's longer compromise. She is yeah mary to the emperor and his advisors kill he really was. Yeah so here's where it gets fun. there's a lot of people that didn't want her obviously to be empress. They didn't like her to think she was wellborn enough so when she was made empress reprisal started and man. This woman was just incredible at getting people to accuse each other and fight each other So she had two councillors accused another one of treason so that was exiled and then she had the same counselors accused someone else treason. And he was exiled and forced to commit suicide just because they had all spoken out against her She continues doing this. And the emperor. Actually he was quite young. He was in his twenties and they think he had a series of strokes that pretty much left him incapacitated for the next twenty three years of his life So this leaves will on her own with an incapacity game pass detained but yet still alive emperor So she pretty much takes over the role of emperor She had the emperor's for sun exiled just to get him out of the way She discovered that someone had written an edict to poster. So the guy that made up the edict. She had him committed treason and she had The emperor's exiled son because she thought he had something to do with it The guy who actually did it his son and the emperor's daughter-in-law all of them were executed and the son. The emperor son was made to commit suicide..
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"mary tudor" Discussed on Real Monsters
"Wealthy wealthy environment and at age fourteen. She was taken to the Taken to the be an imperial concubine of the emperor ties on now to be a concubine. People might think oh. That's all for her parents forcing into some sort of prostitution but back then should be taken in to be a concubine was like winning the lottery. It was like it was where the best of the best went the most beautiful women the most educated women you know everybody wanted to actually be there and in fact today i t t to my limited understanding. It's a real mistake to try and apply our western sensibilities to To china in general and ancient china in particular absolutely absolutely. Yeah which is an argument. Made a lot when we're talking about Empress will we'll we'll we'll see why So when she joined she actually became a fairly lower rank concubine. It was a very complicated system The the the they actually had for the The system of concubine so you would have the emperor and the empress then you would have The first noble concert lakes so the main concubine than you'd have like another. I think there were another seven levels of concubines. So she ended up level concubine which meant she wouldn't have had a lot of contact with the emperor but she would have had contact with things like for example changing bedsheets. Now this is where we think she probably met the emperor sun and started up a relationship with him Now this sounds. That sounds really dangerous. This treasonable yeah. You could not touch the emperor's concubines. It was it was. You would die even his own son even his own son. No one touch the In fact when the emperor died And this this happened to woo. Is that they all the concubines and he had about one hundred and twenty of them they all have to shave their heads and go off to a buddhist monastery to become months because if any even after the emperor was dead it was forbidden for any other man..
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"mary tudor" Discussed on Real Monsters
"Hello hello hello. This is west from real monsters. A nuggets wanted to take a few seconds in talk to you about pinker. It is the easiest way to make a guest and believe me. That was something that i was looking for men. I had to take over the tech side of our operation. It's free that allows you to do a lot of stuff when you get in there so head on over to anchor dot. Fm start today. Get your opinions out be heard it can definitely help you La welcome. it's thursday night and this is another episode of real monsters with s. Que me and wes ello. Hello hello and special guest. Kelly evans from the north the still frozen. Unfortunately we're waiting for spring. Yeah well it's the most you guys were getting. What hit minnesota there at same system. Still rolling through. Yeah we get. We get something from silverlake the northern states and it all rolls up to us. And then we've got the arctic north of us in that rolls down to us so you know if you're in the toronto area you're pretty much screwed kinda slip geography yup. Well we have. This is the first of our month of may look at women who kill the fairer sex gentler said given by men men who don't know very many women. Obviously yeah Maybe men men who don't wanna be butchered by these women. Maybe that's where it came from. Maybe so maybe so still kill me. You're the failure sex. You're not supposed to be like that. Not last week. He that would sway. Yeah so we're going to start with so tonight. We have one that. I've heard of and one that i had never heard of until you brought her up kelly and we're going to start with empress whoo ooh blue. Yeah she is she is something So we're going way back in time. So we're gonna we're going back to The six hundred in china. So we're definitely out of my comfort zone with Quite a few of the name. So i i apologize in advance If i terribly terribly mangled the chinese names. I i have tried to look at how pronounced properly but so we're talking about so empress. Wu's john she was She was born in six twenty four as she was. Actually the only female emperor in china's entire late what three thousand four thousand year history. The only female ruled in her own right as an emperor. Not just as an empress or regent She grew up in a.