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Interview with author Annie Sullivan

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30:18 min | 1 year ago

Interview with author Annie Sullivan

"Welcome to read between the lines of book podcast I'm your host Molly Southgate today I'm interviewing Anne Sullivan. Hi. Anne. How are you doing today doing really well, how are you I am doing great. Can you tell me about your books? Yes. So I'm young adult author of young adult. I have three books. My third book just came out very recently So the first book is called a touch of gold and it's about the cursed daughter of King Midas who has to set out to retrieve her father's golden against stolen and the sequel as the book that just came out it's called a curse gold and it follows the. Daughter paying might, as she tries to break the Golden Curse and then my other book is called Tiger Queen and it is a retelling of the short story, the later tiger kind of dealing the infamous ending for anyone who's read it that cliffhanger ending and is about a warrior princess who fight suitors in an arena to win her right to rule. That sounds awesome. I've actually never heard of that short story before. So that sounds sobral or you can find it your listeners can find you find it just google the lady or the Tiger by Frank Richard. Stockton. It's available for Free Online. It's really short just a couple of pages maybe two three pages long. But I read it in Grade School, and it stayed with me because it has a cliffhanger ending just it's infamous it's not even famous it's infamous because. It's that like all nailbiting. Oh. Wow. It's so in your book, Do you answer the cliffhanger like do I knew that was like one of the inspirations for the book was to give that story the ending it always should have had that is so cool. So how did you work on coming up with the ending to that? Well so story short when I read that story in Grade School with my teacher, my teacher, you know asked us all right class. What do you think happened in the end and there's there's kind of two options that are open. In the end of that story and I raised my hand of course you know I'm like her Miami Grainger. For raise my hand and she's like Annie what's what's the answer and I said, well, it could be either and I could just see the look of disappointment on her face of like. Well, that wasn't the point. The point is to figure out which one it was. Based on the little information you're given and so at just stayed with me that I was like man I don't know this answer and So yeah, it was really about coming up with an ending that satisfied the entire story and gave a little bit more agency to the main character. That sounds so cool. Yeah everyone. Go look up that short story because from what I'm hearing from the sounds really great and then go read. Anne's books. Please do. Please So what interested you in the story of King Midas? Well I really love fairy tales and then the idea behind the book almost came from when I was watching pirates of the Caribbean as a kid growing up and it got me thinking about all that curse goal they have to find in that movie and I was what if there was another way that they could do that? What are they didn't have to go after every single piece would if they could absorb the goal to collect the gold or retrieve the golden a different way? Of Thinking about cursed gold. Got Me to think about king midas. You know there's so many different versions of that myth and in one version of the myth, he turns his daughter to gold and I was you've got to have some lasting side effects if your father turned you to gold as a child, you know. So I, really wanted to explore that story. I wanted to take a character that's often and you know forgotten and overlooked. In her story, which is the daughter of King Midas and really see what would happen to her what would her life be like after being turned to Gold What would her relationship with her father be like after being turned a goal by him? So I really loved that idea looking at it from a new angle that sounds so cool and actually as you were saying, she's looked over character I had forgotten she was in the story. then. When you just said that it shocked by memory 'cause, I love I. Love that version because it's a little bit darker when he does turn her into gold at the end. Yes. Exactly and I mean, she's such a means to an end in the original story so that our father realizes like, Oh, well. I. Guess It was a bad idea asked. For you know to turn things gold because Monet for my daughter to gold. So that's like her whole point in the original story I wanted to make her the main character and explore her story and I love reading about strong female heroine. So I, really just wanted to take her my character who is a little bit softer and help her find her way. That sounds so cool. So can you give our listeners and myself to? Any like writing tips for writing strong female characters Oh yes I mean I think the most important thing is really the first and foremost a strong female character doesn't have like wield a sword or anything like that. You know they can be witty they can be smart they can be funny. They can use all those sorts of things to get themselves out of trouble you can make jokes they can use their mind they can be like macgyver and. Just, like create things that can really good inventors So don't always think like, Oh, the character has to be the strongest because in the beginning of a touch of gold Princess Cora, who is the daughter of King Midas she's a very sought character. She's actually she's bullied she has gold skin. So there's lots of rumors about her you know people think like, Oh, she turned back into a statue at night or who leaves golden footprints or Something like that so she is a very soft characters very timid, but when she's forced to leave her safe palace behind and go out into the real world, that's when she really starts to blossom and come into her own So really think about your character arc, you know, how is your character going to progress? How are they going to go from one state to another? Are they going to be strong? The entire time? ARE THEY GONNA learn? That they need to be a little bit softer let people in That's kind of the case with with for Qatari and Tiger Queen Book that's that's base up that short story we were talking about because she's a very sword wielding character like she will cut you down in an instant, but she almost has to learn to be a little softer a little bit more open and learn to trust other people So that's kind of her character just. Is that there are a bunch of different ways that you can write. A strong female character doesn't have to be that. You know she's the sword wielding assassin or something like that. Yes thank you so much for the hat So, how do you write medieval fairy tales for the modern era? I mean I just it's my favorite genre so I just love writing them. So I think the first thing you want to look at is what fairytale are you going to write? You know there's so many out there and you can set them in. So many different places I mean you could set it in space if he wanted to, you could make it contemporary. That kind of medieval feel to it I think there's just something. So magical about that settings would definitely pay attention to to you're setting you know figure out what the buildings look like what the town looks like. How does it kingdom function? Do you have a King de of a queen is at a monarchy You know all those things are gonNA come into play also is there magic. In this world So yeah, it all starts off with just picking the fairytale and then choosing the setting and making sure your characters in your story exist and work well within that setting so that you have things that go well together. So I mean if you're gonNA have pirates probably need to be by the sea and if you're by the C. You might have a slightly different landscape. Even different. You know holidays or things they might have a fisherman's festival instead of a harvest festival because you know they live by the sea. So like all those little things are gonNA influence, how you write the story and how the story is. GonNa go. Yeah. Totally. So by that if what you just said it kind of sounds like you right outlines do and like so how I. Actually am not a good out liner. I'm what they call a panther, which means I fly by the seat of my pants and I. Just right. What comes to me I did have to write an outline for cursive gold which was a little harder I think it's I almost concert like if you're going on a road trip, right start to think about the places you're going to need to stop along the way in order to get your destination. So if you're starting in New York and you're driving California, are you gonNA stop at the world's biggest ball of yarn? Are you going? To Stop at a gas station where are you going to eat where you're going to stay I think that's a really good way of thinking about it because your characters cannot just be driving twenty, four, seven, you know on this adventure, they need to have a moment to themselves. The moment to sleep to eat to relax if your character is just go go go go go your readers can get worn out So keep that in mind when you are writing an outline because it, it does come into play and it can be very important But Yeah I just love to kind of have a few little almost bullet points of like we might meet a pirate or we might end up this island or might meet this mythological creature or the dragons will show up something like that I like to have those kind of key moments and I like to know where we're going to end up. So I know kind of what we're aiming for those kind of be my tips for writing an outline. Yeah. Thank you. So when you are writing, do you get the thing I know a lot of writers get this where they kind of like almost like translate state or Like the characters kind of talk to them yes. So I actually listened to music when I'm writing and all listen to this theme song over and over again for days or months or whatever on end, and one of the ways I know that I've come out of my kind of writing trans is that all start to hear the music again so it's almost like go into this place where I don't even hear the music and it just becomes kind of part of your part of the background and it's just there But I'm so entrenched in the world and what's going on the don't even hear it I don't notice it. But then when I start to notice it I'm of like aw I must be getting tired or a good stopping place for today or have writer's block not sure where we're going. Yeah. So, how'd you choose what Song to listen to over and over like? Oh, it's hands. If I'm writing like an intense battle seeing, there are a couple that will go to like a battle song from chronicles of Narnia is. Called the battle from writing really like beep seen I'll pick like a fun song and sometimes they have music or something like lyrics and sometimes they don't just depends how I'm feeling If I can find a song that has like the field to it of what I'm writing I. think that's that's the best part. Could you share a couple of the songs that you chose for like through new book of gold or? Your cut. So one of the big ones there's a song called I. Think it's just called gold by Britain Nicole. It's just such a fun upbeat song and it's it keeps saying you're worth more than gold and it just really spoke me when I was writing the books and so I love that one for tiger a big one was roar by Katy Perry. because. You're near me roar, and that was all with that book was about was hearing her roar and helping her find kind of the tiger within helping her take her kingdom back So yeah, those are a couple of my favorite ones. I love that. Yeah. Those are great songs too. So do you hide any Easter eggs in yearbooks? Oh. Yes. I, do actually I hide quite a few and most of them only my family friends are going to pick up on but I hide a lot of names. Of people that I know within the book. So if you see like a mountain named something or an animal or like a weird creature that you're like, okay, she totally made up that name, try looking at it backwards and see what it spells Also all hide little things that just means a lot to me. So like one of my favorite TV shows growing up and I still love is the twilight zone from the sixties. The all black and white show and so in one of the Intros to one of the season's one of the famous lines, there's a signpost up ahead. You're now entering the twilight zone and so I actually hit that line in post up ahead in a curse of gold and my editor tried to take it out because she was just like, why is this I mean I mean there were there was a sign post but. she was like why line here and I was like it it needs to stay. Well, yeah, that that's awesome. I love the twilight zone to it's so bad. Favorite episode. Oh I'm trying to think I've seen I watched I watched were when I was younger I've seen some recently I recently saw the movie and I. I love the one with the kid. Do you have a favorite? Oh, I love eye of the beholder also known as a private world of darkness because it has two names I love the monsters don't Maple Street people are alike all over. That's a really good when you guys and I think that actually is a huge influence on my writing is The twilight zone you know we'll the twists and things that you're not expecting and how well the stories are told So I think it has a huge impact on who I am as a writer and how I liked right twists since the book. So you mentioned the twilight zone had an impact. You have any other lake film TV books anything that has had specific. told many I mean Jane Austen I love Jane austen her work I mean touchable is a little bit of an old to pride and prejudice in some ways but most readers won't pick up on but If you know me, you know how much pride and prejudice you kind of see a little bit of in there is made cabinet she wrote the princess diary she has a very just very free flowing way of writing very stream of conscious that I love it really lets you get to know a character really well so I'm definitely a fan of that Marissa Mayer tender love her bugs everyone you guys could all go. If you're listening to this, you can go check out the rest in the feed for this podcast. You can actually hear me listen. You can actually listen to me interviewing mercer. Mayer to. God's amazing. Thank you. She is so wonderful sheepshanks. Great. Yeah. So are there any writers that you think are similar to you writing is like you use similar phrases or stumbling that? Maybe Ellie. Blake, wrote frost blood, which is really cool book about a girl who has frost powers in a world full of people firepower. So she's a little bit similar I Love Stephanie Garbage Work I'm not sure I can compare myself to her herself is so so well written Mary visceral. You feel like you're there. So I love that I wish I could write as well as Mary Pearson Cause Deception. If you haven't read that one, it's got a really cool point of view twist So I would love love to be compared to them. That's great. So what made you want to be an author? Well. I grew up as a child who had asthma and when I was little, I would have to take a lot of medications one of which was like a big machine like a big breathing machine that had a mask, the Delaware way at administered missed medicine and so when I was doing that the machine was very loud. So it was really hard to like watch TV or really do much of anything My mom would reach me because when she would sit behind me, I could hear in my ear. And so when she would read to me, I wasn't a sick kid anymore you know I was Harry Potter under the stairs or a hobbit on an adventure or princess you know going after a dragon or anything like that and so I loved the adventure I loved the escape and I think even in today's world there's there's so much negativity in the world that I loved to create something. Where where people can go and they can't escape and I just have such an active imagination that I love sharing my stories with other people and I hope that they bring them joy and that they can enter into these stories and maybe see what my characters go through and come back to the world a little happier a little bit more prepared to face their obstacles in their own lives. I love that so much that is like what are the sweetest stories I've ever heard on? That is really amazing. D did You have any specific favorite books as a kid? Oh man I mean I loved Madeleine lingle's wrinkle in time. That was a big one anything by Robin McKinley She had like the outlaws a share would which I loved again made cabot grew up reading making habit all the time like sister of the traveling pants, all that good stuff was just. So important to me as Oh, like the giver a loved the Giver House. Another good one so so many books as you can tell, I spent a lot of time. Reading is so yet. So do you like writing or reading more I know that's impossible. Yeah. That's a hard question, I. Almost. I just loved them both I think they're just so different like reading I can tell someone a really good author if I'm not paying attention to the story like if I am so invested in the characters and everything I'm not like Oh, I see how they did that I see other setting this up so I love reading but it in some ways it's become harder because I do. Find myself analyzing everyone else's work to be like, okay. What are they doing here? How are they setting up this love story or this task or whatever it is and so I think sometimes I love writing more because it's really fun to create my own south. But then sometimes if you've got writer's block or something then writing is not as fun as you would hope Oh. Yeah. So, do yovany tricks for how to get into a mindset for writing to like Kinda curb writer's block. Young I think I, mean especially, if you have writer's block a couple things you can do is like first of all, take a break, you know that's a good way find good critique partner someone who can talk it out with even if that person doesn't know the story, you'd be surprised that but just talking to someone out loud about it helps you work. Out in your mind go for a walk meditate sleep on it I. There's also this thing that I'll do sometimes It's called a what if list 'cause I think as an author, the question what if is one of the most important ones you can ask when you're coming up with the story when you're writing story so if you're stuck Honey can create this list of I would say twenty things and you you just ran a list of what if this happened next race if you're stuck, what if dragon showed up what if there was an art heist what someone fell from the Sky I mean they can be the most outrageous things but they might trigger something in your mind say, Oh, what if that did happen what if this thing over here happened and so they kind of say you should get rid of the first five on your list because those are the most obvious ones and get rid of the last. Five because they're probably a stretch that you just struggled to come up with those and use the middle ten and see if there's something in there that sparks anything that you could come up with So I think that can kind of help and also like if you're listening to music even turning on that song can be a great way to kind of you know almost get yourself up and running because you hear that music and you start to associated with your story So that can be a good way to to keep you going and get you in that mindset yeah. Did you ever do Nanno Raimondo because a lot of the things that you're saying here it reminds me when I did manorama remote class actually while ago and a lot of the things you're saying I had learned in that class but I was wondering if you learned it from there as well. Sadly no I. Think. This is the things I picked up along the way I always tell myself. I'm going to do it and then I wish get so swamped with other things that I tried it once and I lasted like three days out so much fun. You should try again I know all my like writing friends do it. The best thing and I'm like, okay, someday, maybe this year maybe this year I'll finally have time to get around to it. Last year I was travelling almost every weekend in. November for for bookstop maybe this year we can be this could be the year. Yes. On this podcast, we fully support no rhyme. It is thing I've talked about it with people before. I've heard so many good things I have a friend who actually I'm from Indiana over friend who helps run the kind of the Indiana local chapter and she just such a great job and they do such fun activity. So I highly encourage anyone out there to get involved. They're very welcoming. Community is just just wonderful people. Yes everyone please do that and you to any email. Maybe. Might show up and you'll see any Sullivan they're. Heard that name Yes, that would be great. So, do you have a favorite fairytale? Oh, that's I love every fairy tale, but I would have to say I love beauty in the beast and that may be influenced by the fact that she gets a library in the Disney movie. Which obviously I love libraries so I do love that and fairytale. I also robinhood a lot. I've always just kind of. Had A soft spot for Robin. Hood. So I definitely love those guys a lot Oh. Yeah me too I. Did you have a favorite I wanNA know now to Oh, well, that's a hard one because I think my favorite. Yes. Probably Little Mermaid Little Mermaid's my favorite Disney movie but the fairytale so much darker Oh. Right and it's awesome. So many of them are so much darker I mean I could have taken a touch of golden gone really dark and just rent from the father's point of view when he turns the daughter to goal and then she never gets turned back I mean, that's how dark on the originals are in Cinderella. You've got the stepsisters you know cutting off their heels in their toes in order to fit into the shoe and Metro's pecking in there is it's Yes that's a great one to the Cinderella Fairy Tales. Specifically's my. see there you go I mean yes. There are so many good ones I would love to write retailing's of like pretty much. Every very tale by could if I had the time yeah. So what do you think of like do you enjoy watching or reading fairy tale adaptations Oh yes. I mean I will watch all of them like I think there are like five or. Six of like the S Indorama story movies and I've seen almost all of them. I think there's one more that's like a Cinderella Story Christmas that I have not seen, but it's on my wish list of things to watch. So I will pretty much or read any sort of retailing you know like a curse dark and lonely by bridget comer who that's feeding the beast retailing. Just so many like staring at my bookshelves right now paying like look at the mall like. Anything and everything that's very toll retailing. I will pretty much pickup. Oh. Yeah me too. Is that one of your favorite genres I think it is I love the. And I love a good happy ending as well and I'm not gonNA say that there's not going to be like strife or hard things that happened in the book but I love that there's always hope that things can turn out. All right and so that's what I. Love About Fairy Tales and the magic involved with them and just you know I grew up watching Disney and I still think there's a chance that will be a Disney princess someday somehow I'll do it I believe in you I just need like a little like sidekick creature character and I will be all set you know. So. Yeah. So that's definitely how I see my life going right Oh. Yeah. I Have Wannabe Disney Princess Solidarity with you. Yes I feel that. Do you like contemporary retelling. I've I've seen some these before where it's like, Cinderella this is actually one that I watched I. loved it. But it was like Cinderella but they're prince's Liga shoemaker and it was like this. It was set for modern times. Do you like those as well? I would totally check them I think I love the fantasy one more but I would definitely still read modern wants Rela by like actually post in. And things like that. That are still really awesome. So I would probably read pretty much any one of them. Yeah. So what you like about the fantasy genre. I love that you can have dragons and griffins and UNICORNS elves, and so many different creatures but you can title up with like real world issues like I said Princess Cora gets bullied in there's rumors about her. And she's not the strongest when she starts out and I think that's a really good message that I think young readers especially need today to know that like you might be facing these things and other people face these things. But hopefully, once you see your favorite characters doing them, you can kinda learn to overcome them, and so I love that you can kind of weave these real world issues within fantasy and still have a fun adventure whether that's dragons or pirates. Or bears might know. All that kind of fun stuff So and I love magic I just love the different ways that magic in function and you really only get that in fantasy i. mean you can have some that's still like got Savannah's Inet but fantasy is just my. Favorite Genre where my heart belongs I'd be like Oh. It's. It's so good. Do you have any favorite fantasy books that you would like to shout out? Oh, man. So may some of already mentioned you know like? Like frost blood is such a good one and care. All is really cool. It's got a really interesting kind of magic bit to it I'm trying to think like what else are just so many good ones Dune I really liked Dune Bhai Laurie Langdon, and Carry Corp that's like a WII version of outlander or they go back in time it's almost like a brigadier in retailing if you've seen that musical as to really love that one too to off just so so many that I love. and. I'm that's that's an adult series but still got really cool magic. That's awesome. I just wanted to shout out Nassir you might like this book as well. anyone who listened to this show knows that I'm absolutely obsessed with the throat of glass series. So I just want a dimension that. So if like these other recommendations as another. High fantasy lots of magic. Yes. I always need good recommendations to when I get the time to read I finally will someday some day I will like I just finished just finished fable by Adrian Young, which has pirates and very visceral like very gritty about a pirate kind of girl who gets stranded on a really awful island and has to make her. Way Off of it to find her father and she's got like it's not a ton of magic but just a touch of magic in there. That's really cool We're like a daughter of pirate king that's an old one. Yeah. Yeah. I read that one that was I really liked that book. Yes. Yes. I still need to read the sequel to that one. Anymore time anymore more hours in my day. Yet I have the same issue it's like either I'm writing. I'm either I want to be writing her I want to be reading for usually just end up like doing something else because I totally forget right origin obscuring through facebook or pop on the TV and I'm like Yo. Watch. More HGTV because why not like? Oh. It's the writers dilemma. Right yeah, we're having that like song or some sort of trigger helps even if it's just like there's a specific room you right in like walking into that room can cut it trigger like I actually Kind of a fun story of again about listening to music. So there's a song that comes on at the end of a couple of the say yes to the dress episodes which I love that show. You guys the level game wedding dresses even though not married in sign and there's a song comes on at the end of those episodes and I started writing to that song. So then anytime I would watch that show that song would come on it was like Pavlov's bell was ringing and I was like I should be writing right now. So maybe train yourself like you have a song. That you love like if you love watching friends turn on the friends theme song when you're writing and then you'll hear that song you'll be like, oh, I need to go right? That is so fascinating. I'm totally going to have to try that. Yes it might take a couple of weeks of just like listening to that song to get it like as a habit but I think it really did work. Yeah. That's so cool. All right. Well, that was all I have free today's have well, no, that was not all I have. I have one more question. Okay. What do you have coming up? I'm definitely working on a new standalone novel not a fairy tale retelling. It's just it's ellen thing. So that something new for me only about halfway through it right now. So I want to say too much just in case but I'm really excited about is such a fun story. Really Fun World No magic involved but just a lot of fun. That sounds great. Yeah everybody. Go read all of Anne's books. She's amazing. If you likes listening to this, you can listen to the other interviews and discussions and read all the books that we've mentioned here. Do, you have anything else to add. No I just WanNa say thank you all so much for listening. I. Loved being here today. Thank you so much for being on your great guest. You for read between the lines, my name is Molly Self Game I'm Anne Sullivan let's end this way all great stories and happily ever after. The and Thank. You for listening to read between the lines a book podcast. This episode is hosted by Molly. Southgate. It is edited by Rob Southgate and produced by Southgate Media Group. You can get in touch with the show at read between the lines at Cheam L. Dot Com or you can send us a voicemail at seven, eight, eight, seven, nine, four, seven, three, that was seven or eight, eight, eight, seven, nine, four, seven, three. You can also find us on instagram at read between the lines podcast. Thank you so much for listening.

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130 Author Anna Bright

What Book Hooked You?

28:30 min | 2 years ago

130 Author Anna Bright

"This is what book hooked you. I'm Brock Shelley, and thanks for listening on this episode, I have an abridged who has her debut, y novel, the beholder coming out on June the fourth from Harper teen, and it's up sewed. We get into how she got in the writing and came up with. The idea for the beholder, and also as someone who works at an independent bookstore, how valuable that has been to both her reading, and Herenton life. So listen. So Anna what book hooked you? Oh, when I was a little girl, I think they are member of being really drawn to Andrew linked Terry books in particular, the rainbow fairy book. And in general, fairy tale compilations, and from there, I really from myself drawn to actually I had a librarian. Specifically, give me L N chanted. And, you know, I I, I talk about this all the time. But fairytales really interesting because one old stories are governed by a sort of unnatural set of rules, and they, they sort of illustrate a very different in very ancient set of values, particularly things like hospitality, like hospitality is a huge value like ULA straighted in a lot of fairy tales generosity. But then there's also weird situation. In which, like, tricksters our world. Anyway, I was completely fascinated by fairy tales. They felt sort of, like ancient in strange to me, and then, as I got older, I came across very Hillary telling and I realized you could have these stories that were combination of, you know, these old fairytale patterns and whose figures just a million to me. But, you know, combined with human desires, and sheers and motivations and even setting sometimes I was just like changed the game. I was like magic in architects, and real people whose motivations make sense. I was done for. You know, when so it sounds like your childhood was very much centered around these fairytales very stories. And so when it came to. More kind of the why a age the teenager, and what type of books really kind of gravitated in spoke to you during that time or were you even really in the bookstore in that time. Well, so when I was an actual keen like reading, like of the age to read, you know why. Currently is I really wasn't reading proper Waie, I would more reading classics. And I mean, really, then I like the why action was more to general juvenile section and I was reading a lot of children's still to. So you know, I was reading I love to know fields shoes books. I those are more for children than for teams obviously, but I loved three's about, you know, their stories about sisters and sort of their their their progress for together their adventures. I think my entree into why a was a little bit funny because I, I was not about why for a very long time. And especially when I was of the age of that. Particular age, demographic, I really thought that in general, I was not interested in contemporary literature, I wanted to read classics and I wanted to read children's books. So when I was of the age street Y, I was focused on, like, Jane Austen, and, you know, also like my Marican girl books because I was a late bloomer. But by the time I got into college I mean I was doing intense reading for school. You know what hundred percent of the time, I was taking a lot of classes. And so, I remember my girlfriend's or reading twilight and like two thousand nine and I at I like tires seriously and then borrowed one I was like, oh, wow. I forgot that reading could be leisurely activity and things that I you know, doesn't have to be done competitively. It doesn't have to be, you know, it doesn't all have to be like an edifying experience, there was twenty eight and then. I forget what later really began. But I do remember reading Warren Oliver's delirium and thinking it was one of the most incredible on fast. I mean, that was sort of a that was it. I think like at the peak of the why dystopia n- era. And I was oh head over heels for that series. And from there, it was just all why all the time, I think, with me. What point did you kind of get the idea that you wanted to take then your hand at writing was, it was there any origins way back when you were in fairytales, and maybe even creating your own or did it did that kind of impulse that urge come to later? Well, when I was a little, I did think that it would be cool to be a writer. But for whatever reason it always felt like there was something in the way, and I think I thought I didn't have. I didn't have any ideas I didn't know what to write about. I, I don't think that I appreciated the fact that, you know, their whole excite poll books full of writing prompts, like what is Bubba blah, and, you know, from there, you can write a book about that. I just, you know, I didn't appreciate that really the work of writing a book is in the confusion. But when I was little, I, I know I daydream about it, and I did write a lot of poetry. When I was young, I have gone through notebooks again. They're not very good very good polls. But I did think about it, and then, you know, as an adult, I thought seriously about going to grad school and studying English, and it was actually sort of, in middle of all, that, I, you know, gosh, I think I remember I was writing these really, really intense papers on stuff that I'd studied in college. Like the history of Mexican like political mural arts. And I was studying English GRE, and I studied for that really really aggressively for about four months, just like reading, chanter, berry tails, and piers, Plowman, and, you know, reading everything from that to like, you know, go chewed Stein in Virginia Woolf, and just like trying in four months to get the equivalent of an English bachelor's degree under my belt and somewhere in between all that I hit some sort of deadline and I finished it and I was like I want to read. I think for fine. And so. I read a check out one of those compilations that I grew up on, and I checked out the host by Stephanie Myers in the library. And I like I just inhaled the both in the stand of a couple of days. And I remember distinctly I was blow drying. My hair one day, and I started thinking about both of those cubic sort of not in sequence, but layered on top of one another, and I was thinking about fairy tales and I was thinking about people falling in love at the end of the world and you know how external pressures factor into love, and then I started thinking what if I wrote like there and back again, romance, you know, about a girl who has to go and find a husband and, you know, reenact the fairytale each, you know, in the origin locations, those stories I just remember hit me, like a ton of bricks and it just I just knew that was going to be the idea, and I almost panicked. I was like, oh my. Gosh, I do this. And I had friends who done Nanno Raimondo, and it always seems to Dongting to me, but it was a November. And I think this whole like opinion happened. Maybe in June. So I like. Terrified? -ly moult, the idea for however many months between June and November. And that, that was it like Tober thirty I, I sat down at midnight and how should I begin probably a dream sequence idea, isn't there? I went. And so. Did you get through that month? And then once you did, what did you think? And what was your next step? Well, I, I you know, they say when you hit Shigie doesn't words that you, quote, one in around, but very few books. I mean look for and books for teens fifty thousand words, I don't I don't know that, you know, the breakdown of genre versus workout and my head, but most young adult books are on the order of seventy one hundred thousand words. So, you know, it wasn't a Finnish book that I couldn't keep up that pace for that much longer. So I remember I finished the first draft of the book on my birthday July third twenty fourteen. So it took me another. I guess another eight months to finish the book, and then I revised it for like two years because it was so terrible in the beginning, it was so bad, advise it for a couple of years, and then I started looking for an agent and that was I mean everybody who. Sort of knows anything about, like publishing looking for an agent knows, as a really fraught emotional process. Remember coming home one. I just like being crashed out on the couch crying. And my husband was like you can't do this every time, you know, Email, they can't can't do this every time and I was like you don't understand it. It was it was really painful, because I mean, it's sort of like here agent professional person, my diarrhea. I've put like my heart and soul into this for many, many hours and weeks and years, you know, and then they're just like no I can't as a professional person like printed. This is to prepare people. Yeah, we're at once I found my agents, you know, Shanin mmediately clicked, and we work together and notes for exactly what I needed. And now he just rest is kind of fishery. So before that those kind of two years, where you're kind of working away at this. What did you do? I'll say or did you kind of immerse yourself sort in the writing craft the writing community? What did you do to kind of hone your skills? I'll say. Well, I was doing a ton of reading I read so much those two years, I've always read a lot. But I think at that point, I was really like intentionally trying to deprioritize rating over other times like types of media consumption. And I mean like I make. No. Because about it like I love TV. I love movies like I'm not one of those people who like, oh, I don't know television. I exclusively read like coffin care lack by candlelight. I really did prioritize reading though a couple of years, and I read, you know, the, the, the first eight months that I drafted the book, it was just, you know, Cheever dream like barf outwards on the paper or computer screen as it were. And then for the next couple of years, I really tried to read fairy tales and to really like very myself and the tropes and the patterns I read a book. I believe it was called Cinderella casebook. It was a global. I mean it was a global analysis of Cinderella. And this story on it was introduced me to the fact that their whole, like academic categorisations systems for fairytales, which is super fascinating to me. I read biographies of probably dozen fairytale creators, and collectors. It was I mean it was great. It was a great couple of years. It was really really difficult at times. Because, you know, you're working on the saying, like alone on your cell phone, and your friends are kind of like, what are you like, what is this? You're pouring like all of your time and energy to also is there a point to it. Also, why don't we ever see you anymore? But yes, it is two years. I mean that was that was when I've learned I taught myself how to write by leading and figuring out what six full writers were doing. That I was not doing. Do you know when I began also sort of get hooked up with them to DC writing community, which is incredible? I started working at a bookstore, and, you know, that was really beneficial for me because I had again, spending a lot of time by myself, and was, therefore spending a lot of time in my own head in listening to my own voice, which, you know, can be dangerous your all of your character starts us out in the same, but I started working in a bookstore and started reading a little more broadly. And I got up with the DC writing community, like I said, a wonderful person, and, and John, the played sort of like forcibly adopted me is us thing that happened. She kind of forcibly adopted names, like I want you to join our writing group. Also, your member of VW, I coming to the conference. Oh, you're gonna sit with new. You're not gonna feel like Lawson weird by yourself again this year. So, yeah, I mean it was it was all. All of those things kind of together that, that changed the game for me working at one more page and meeting area writers and, and all of the reading older like, again, again, again, writing after all the time and all that work finally, there's a book the beholder, which comes out on June fourth from Harper's teen. So give me the rundown of what this book is about the beholder is about a goal names day less. She is essential elect of a country. Potomac. It's a small like act based community, she would in, and she content there, and she is planning to hopefully, Mary, void that she's liked forever and has always been friends with and and very public setting. He turned her down and her stepmother uses the situation as an excuse to send her way to look for someone else to marry. And she clearly she quickly realizes that. Other things are going on, but she develops relationships with the crew members of our ships, the whole there, and she has incredible adventures, and England and, and nargile, which is sort of an analog for Norway, but it's not history of the world looks a little bit different. And that's one and then book to you have to find out, so. Said that you were after reading books for pleasure, that you kind of came upon this idea that kind of sit this whole thing in motion. So what was that? Initial idea that got you started in all of this. For the book were the host in which you've got a lot of outside pressure affecting how for different people fall in love. And that was really thing that was interesting to me, just how I was possible to let somebody who controls your life. It take whether or not you're going to let someone and like, isn't it? The trail of yourself to allow yourself to fall in love when somebody so horrible has set you up with that person, it was stuff like that, that was running around on my brain. And so then with the host and fairy tales of being maybe that nugget of the idea. And then, as those two years go on, you're working at the bookstore, you're getting Merson getting familiar with different books. Was there a book or certain books that you feel really influenced you during those two years that really helped to shape either the story or just you as a writer? I'll give you two. I will QC's in particular so. I really I really, really loved this election theory. It's such great fun. It's so romantic. I you know, I think it was encouraging for me as a lover of all things fluffy. Romantic, you know, girl in a dress books. It was encouraging for me again, especially having been such a small about about contemporary and fun, generally fun reading growing up. It was encouraging for me to see there. There was a market for stuff that was fun and fluffy and escapist and, you know, and that, that kind of reading is not in any way lesser than, you know, books, specifically written to educate, or to challenge, you know. So that was that was one thing, it was encouraging for me to see how well and truly people really love books, like, cure, Catholic selection series for you. Mary Pearson's the remnant chronicles or, you know, any any of these other sort of really romantic young adult books, and then in terms of books that were advocation for me as a writer Maggie sea voters raven cycle. I mean, it was a masterclass Romy. I, I wish. I wish this were not. I don't really wish for a television show, because in vaginas right now, but I wish I could show you guys how marked up my copies of the ravens Eichel and the dreams Dev's and blue. Lily lily blue, and the raven king are like they're just. Line after line passage after passage where I just. I don't know. I for the longest time, I think I had all these ideas about what made a book work, and I, I wish I remembered, what they were, but they were definitely not right. Because it, you know, I hadn't really understood what people when they talked about books being character-driven in particular. And the ravens Eichel is. Centered so tightly around the group of friends who are codependent and just to love each other. And you know, are not always good to each other and also around the incredible set of like sense of place. I learned so much from reading books. So you mentioned that you work at a bookstore, an independent bookstore, one more page. So talk about that, just the being a sort of independent bookseller, and like, do you really sort of, you know, maybe adoptable find a book that may be is your favorite and really try to promote that book that people come in the store, and you try to read widely so of people are trying to kind of browse and searching kind of direct them towards what they might be interested in. Working in India bookstore has been a game changer for me. I, I mean, look everybody's job has days where it's just a job and, you know, you're undocking things or you're running late, and you're tire like, whatever, but I mean truly like it is such a special thing for someone to come in, you know, every now and again, it'll be like a girl who's twelve years old will come in with whether parent and she's like, I don't know what to read next and you go to the kids section, and you talk for a while. And, you know, you found out, you find out that she loves the kind of things that you of Newark eight and you can point at a classics and pointed, a new stuff. It's come out and the whole family walks out with massive smile on their face. Or, you know, the other day somebody came in and they were saying that friend of theirs about surgery and they, you know, they need some such distractions. You know, and we talk through what their preferences are and try to. Help him find good materials for different like it's just catching honor to be able to help people choose what they're going to read next. Whether it's you know, they can read or something, you know, they really want to challenge themselves and form themselves about something new, like it's just, you know, it's a really special thing to be asked to help people with that, and yeah, we do all. I mean, I try to read broadly, I since coming to look at the store, I've been reading more mysteries in particular, and still not much of a nonfiction reader. But I read a fair amount of aid, a little bit of middle grade. And I have been reading more mysteries. Those cosies interlopers and we altered have our own. The all sort of have our own real houses there about eight or nine employees. It looks very work, and we all have are John preferences. And so if there's ever a situation where, you know, I'm being asked questions about, like nonfiction variable military history or, you know, math and science nonfiction. I can either text co worker, really quickly. Or we also do this really fun thing where if you if you love a book will write a posted about it, and we take it on the spine, look. So there are little posted stuck all over the bookstore. So if the person goes to a section and they don't really know where to begin again, for people if they're, they're trying to challenge themselves, and read political nonfiction, or history, or something like that. They can go over that section and the post, it note, kind of guide them through that particular Honora so it and we also. Static and things like that we do something called L MP reads. It's a hashtag on Instagram and we all make recommendations fairly often. And yeah, we're really it's I mean any bookstore here, so special in particular, because they're I mean they're community centers. We have dozens of events every lunch. Give Lynch authors if if the best and through working there, I'm wondering his you can think of a book that maybe because you were gonna bookstore, you kind of discovered and fell in love with. And you think that if you hadn't, you would have never probably happened upon this book in any other way. About is such a good question. I can tell you about a couple of authors that I would not have covered otherwise. So Stephanie Strom is incredible young adult author that I've come to love since working at the bookstore. She wrote Princeton disguise, it's not me. It's you the date to save levaula mode. And I would never have severed her except that at bookstores we receive early reader copies from publishers, and I got one of her got an early reader copy of it's not me. It's you. And I took it home and I read it alone. My -partment. Thank god. I was alone because I rape. Like a donkey, like truly just last idiot reading her books, and she, you know, and I don't know. I just like it's been such a pleasure to watch your career and I don't know that I would have found her like where I not working where I work. So we're gonna wind down, how s you questions that we do the first one being what is your favorite movie, that's based on a book. Start us by Neil Gaiman. No question. It's my go-to sort of the world is drab, and everything is dad, and I don't feel the kind of book, I mean, it's also one of those movies that I like can turn on right before fall asleep. And I don't mind that I'm gonna fall asleep because I could probably quote it line by line. But started by Neil Gaiman adaptation. It's just natural glows. The next question, then is there a book or a series, you're willing to admit you've either, never read or never finished? There's two actually I have never read the king killer chronicles. And I really really, really want to Patrick Ross. I believe. And then there's the women share chronicle series by Melina Marceca, which my dear friend, who are women who wrote the white between world. It's constantly berating. All of our writer group to read. Also, it's the Queen face series by megadeal and Turner. Joy-anna Ruth Myers. Another undermined, and she is constantly our group. Check can someone just please read this book periods so we can angst about it together. I haven't. So they're all on the list on the TV are. Finally, what is the last great book that you've read? This is a really recent one. The grace is by Laurie eve, we had her recently at the bookstore, again like exposure via bookstore. The graces is kind of a weird, which book and I remember I started it like walking home one night. Thinking watch starting to audio book, I had a twenty minute walk home. And by the time I got home, I was like I have to find other things that I can do with into this audio because I can't stop it. It's ridiculously good. It's all of the tropes, that I love so much, particularly the one that I love so much, and I hate your comparison because so many people get grumpy about it, but the trope at the beginning of twilights, you know, where you show up to a new place, and you're the sort of I, you know, disoriented new kid, and there's like a bunch of isolated mysterious hot people that is how the grace is also opens with a bunch of mysterious hot people, and, you know, new girl. And so it's all of his troops that I completely adore and then the twist just keep coming. You just don't expect any oh, so good. It's so good. I recently read an enchantment of ravens. I don't know why I left on that one for a year, but it was amazing. Now I had a story of thorns on my nightstand. And I can't wait to read that. The beholder comes out on June, the fourth congratulations and wish you in this book all the best. And thank you so much for having me, really, really appreciate it and the opportunity to just ramble for a little while. That all the things I love. And that brings us to the end of this, and I wanna thank in a bright for coming on the podcast. Her book, the holder comes out on June the fourth again from Harper teen, I hope you'll check that out. And if you enjoy this odor, police check out some of the other conversations I have with a lot of great y authors. I'm Brock Shelley and until next time keep reading.

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681. MTS 360 - Trevor Lawrence Is a Jaguar

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

1:20:39 hr | 4 months ago

681. MTS 360 - Trevor Lawrence Is a Jaguar

"I think trevor can be an international superstar. You know there's not many football players. Become international superstars three watching them at the opening scene. This guy could go to an nfl training camp right now. Throw one on one. Throw routes on air. Look like an nfl quarterback versus. I can't really recall anyone like him. That had the combination of that size and speed and ann arbor talent the first pick twenty twenty one. Nfl draft the jacksonville. Jaguars select trevor lawrence quarterback clemson. Everyone it's daniel jeremiah from move the sticks and i'm bucky brooks and this is trevor. Lawrence is three sixty buckeye jacksonville. Jaguars fans are fired. Up about trevor lawrence being their new quarterback after he is the first overall pick. But they're going to learn a little bit more about trevor lawrence today because we're gonna have a chance to talk to a lot of folks who know him very well yeah. Dj this is a really deep dive into trevor lawrence and all things trevor lawrence we can talk to his colleagues goes dabo swinney. We talked to his family members. We can talk to the mayor of carville who also called is game in high school. Trent dilfer and we're going to talk to his quarterback coach. Ville just get a deeper perspective. Who trevor lawrence is. Who he was coming. This is somebody buck you know going back to high school. And not a surprise he left. Highschool is the number one recruit in the country He arrives at clemson and he delivers in a big way I think we both agree. Is the best player in this year's draft class and somebody that again. I think you've got to be fired up in jacksonville. Because everything he can do. I don't know where the limits are with the skit lament. He's a very talented players. A five star talent Tremendous combination of arm talent athleticism Intelligence instincts natural leadership skills and a big stage performer. And when you think about a guy who's been a qb one. Since he was fifteen sixteen years old he has always lived up to the hype The jaguars again. A franchise quarterback rb the first time they've had a franchise quarterback in their franchise history. It's not going to be too big from. I think that's something you're gonna learn as you go through this audio podcast and listen to all of these interviews The first interview though is one that just recently took place. And it's with trevor lawrence himself. This is him talking with the media the day. He was drafted meyer. The biggest thing is that he's a winner you've seen. He's done this whole career. So i'm really excited to be apart of that. You want to invest in community. Why is that so important to you wherever you yeah. I think it's just important to be normal. you know. And that's that's one way to do. That is by logging into the community investing in the community area about the people around you. That's kind of been something that may wanna do wherever we were gonna end up and now that we officially know that it's jacksonville. We just can't wait to get started in. Like i said to plug in level the people around the so. There's a lot of fun and just super excited for so. I'm curious about what you view as your biggest challenges to adjust your game to the nfl level and are there nfl. Quarterbacks that you'd have you have studied tried to to learn things from as you prepare for this. yeah. I think Obviously just making that transition from college the nfl. It's kind of a holistic approach. Like you gotta gotta get better at everything. So i'm just trying to find soon footwork mechanics mentally get sharper The now is transitioning. Let's learn the playbook get ready for camp. But like i said the main thing is getting there and adjusting to new teammates and coaches and really just seamlessly fitting in and i think like i said earned the respect and trust in your teammates is huge to me and then but like you said guys. I watched russell wilson's definitely one this guys. That are super efficient. That are really smart or they play. Aaron rodgers is a great example of that time. Then tom brady. Obviously he's been doing for forever so watching him someone. That's that consistent. I think you can always learn something from them. So those are some guys that i like to watch those opposite more although it interesting talking about him watching aaron rodgers russell wilson. Tom brady pretty good guys study. Don't you think yeah. I think trevor lawrence gets it. I think he understands what is expected of him. As the face of the franchise. More importantly i think he understands what he's tasked with. In terms of turning around a franchise that has really struggled in recent years and so as he continues to work in lockstep with urban meyer as it continues to be number one representative for the new coach. That's in jacksonville. I think he gets in sometimes. It's hard for quarterback coaches get on the same page. I believe he is definitely on the same page as remark. Because i think he's just one of those special players who gets it on off to few. I'm glad you mentioned coach. Urban meyer there somewhere that we've had a chance to talk to several times on the podcast Had a chance following the draft. We had him on the network coverage. I got a chance to ask him You know about trevor lawrence. And if he hits the checklist the quarterback position a checklist. He's talked with us. Numerous times about daniel. The thing that was really a shot or older dog really wanted travel right out of the get go the first time i spoke to him and and i explained to them that this is arguably the biggest decision. You know i'll make certainly in professional football this organization. I said let us do our work. I'll let us. I love trevor. I've known a long time by witnessed it. But i have to veteran. Ns out quarterback coaches their level and brian schottenheimer. Let us. let's go to work for what in our debt. And i always like to know you earn things in gold that in the jaguars opinion journal lawrence earned the right to be the first bit now through zoom calls multiple. We were tested him in brian. Them and if passive like dollars who did a great job. That's pretty cool. Buck the fact that they really made him earn it you know. Even though everything pointed towards him it wasn't a foregone conclusion they made him go through the process. All this zoom interviews all the learning all the quizzing and obviously in his words passed with flying colors. this is one of the things that i love about coaching. We've talked to a few different times about how he's bill coaches in previous spots. But i think this is what you have to have your best players have to be your hardest workers in your best leaders and i think right out the gate. They're putting trevor in a situation where you can earn his stripes. Not only just to see if he's worthy of being number one but they can already put the wheels in motion for him to be the leader of the team and that is in debt. You can't give a player. You have to earn that. The fact that he went through the process and make sure that he showed the jaguars without a doubt that he was deserving of being number. One i think that matters. And that is a launching pad for him to be the leader of this franchise very very early in his career. No doubt All right well. Let's get to some of these other guests here We're going to start with the younger years here. For for trevor is development the recruiting process and just as his high school years in general. So it's a kick that off how chance to visit with the head. Coach clemson dabbled swing. You know it's it's how you win. Do you win by sacrificing in compromising and and using young people are you win with love and compassion and development And and equip in young people With with a great experience in great tools for life. That's that's really. You know how we've gone about our business here and trevor is. Just come in here and step right into that You know role. He's the epitome of that. He he comes in you. Talk about developing yeah. He's a highly recruited guy. But he's got to come and he's gotta earn it. S the other thing. You gotta earn it here. We don't give anybody meaning. We're not entitling. Anybody you're empowered. you're not entitled. you gotta go earn it and trevor was that way and the recruiting process. Just a very humble kid committed december junior year. I mean at that point we had. We had the number one quarterback in the country committed to clemson as a senior senior high school. And we had like a top twenty quarterback with two quarterbacks in that senior class and he'd come and we had kelly brian zahra goo bird all these guys on the roster and then he commits december of his junior year. And to this day this is one of the things. I've told a lot of people body. You never ask me about another quarterback in the recruiting process. Not like not a single conversation. It was all about clemson. What are all about the people you know. That's all our offense you know. Style of play receivers style. He never asked me not one time. You're talking about a kid. It's not afraid to compete. And he came in. He committed december his junior year and it was over. Never another discussion about reverting each own about his business a high school junior high school senior. You know just being a kid enjoying his journey. And i can also say that about that guy. He has truly enjoyed his journey. He enjoyed being a freshman. He enjoyed camp enjoys spring practice. A watching him come in here and have this self awareness to him. He knows he's really talented but he's never satisfied and he knew he needed to get bigger stronger. Faster more knowledgeable all these things in watch him attack that process Were just great. Joy at his journey was really cool. And and you know prove that he could be he deserved to be. The guy had to go earn it and then he does that well. They must become a leader of the offense is less become a leader of the team. They have less become a leader of football. You know unless become a leader in your community and so it just watching him through that journey. It's been pretty special and do it with such grace and such humility and with the brightest of the brightest of the brightest lights in unbelievable scrutiny. In what these kids go through today is so different than when when we were coming up. I mean the scrutiny is unbelievable but there's never been a guy more prepared than trevor. He's been doing this the ninth grade when he won the job as a fourteen year old carville great program and he beat out a senior quarterback a really talented player. Who by the way was the starting tight in alabama this year. Okay but he had been a quarterback up until trevor made him a tiny in history. He drafted this year As well in fact he was at his wedding and you think about a senior in high school a great player division. One guy who who's who's pratt path changed because the trevor you know but but you gotta give that kid a lot of credit. He stayed at carville today. Will this guy I'll move to another position next thing you know. He signs as tiny in and alabama denies getting ready to be drafted. And i think that says a lot about that young man as well got chance to see him at trevor's wedding here's a fourteen year old with the weight of a whole program. I mean a town. Carter's friday night lights now. This is a this. Is tom high school football. They're passionate about it. And here's this ordine year old with long hair it six. Six first of all may not couldn't believe it. I mean when he walked in the room but just the expectations the scrutiny the social media the then you get into the seven also known as the alita leverage. You're supposed to win every week all that and then you're supposed to come to clemmson. You're supposed to win. The job is supposed to go to a national championship. Supposed to do this this this and you know we're supposed to be the number one pick he's been dealing with this stuff forever but guess what that's his nor that's that's what he's used to. That's normal to him but the beautiful thing about him is he's not. He's not driven by that stuff. He is a very s. Why fit our program very well because he's a very inside out person he's he's strong and his fate incredibly strong in his faith He's driven by that. He's grounded by that. I mean he just married his middle school sweetheart mundane some middle school through high school. Can you imagine trevor lawrence walking around on a college campus. You know i mean but yet he's very loyal committed in you know but one of the interesting things from dabo there. I thought you know going back to high school in your freshman. You beat out a division one caliber athlete which he did in the miller forestall kernersville high school. I mean that's when you're starting to your your your career off on the right foot yet. I think there's something to that. Because i that take away stood out to me. That trevor was a freshman in high school. And he beat out a guy who was a d. one player But the other thing when dab talks about trevor. Naveh asked about other quarterbacks along the way he was focused i mean on his own process. Didn't worry about competition and all the other guys and for a five star recruit a guy who has been celebrated as maybe qb one To never worry about those things is big volumes about his confidence and self esteem that he didn't let insecurities kind of get in the way of what he wanted to accomplish. Very comfortable in his own skin. I think we can definitely get that vibe. And you'll get that vibe as we go through these interviews. You're gonna hear from daboh a little bit later on as well but as we're talking about his development. There's nobody better to talk to when you're talking about a player's development. Then his parents. We had a chance to visit with jeremy and amanda lawrence about their son. Trevor jeremy and amanda. I guess my first question would be at. What point in time did you realize that your son. Trevor was a good athlete. Forget good football player but what what was that moment like okay. This is pretty good three or four years athletic. Enjoy playing everything so didn't know about football at that point harshly but the three or four years old and when he does five he was on the soccer team because he was not able to play football. Yeah was enough affidavit. Meet the farmer and so why he would just get the ball. Score and finally to the other team was like listen. You gonna take him out because he is making all the goals any eight. It was a it was on a break team. team said that they didn't really keeps going that much anyway but every time the ball was passed. Let trevor would get english for. And they're like other united states with this a little bit to his competitiveness. When did you discover that part of his personality. How competitive you us younger two or three he was i always very. He was more vigorously enhanced back. Then you could really see it. You don't see a lot of it now. Reads very competitive. But he was there you would have thought he would have been back. There were vocal aggressive. Amanda i'm curious what your thoughts were on him playing football. I mean i know where the he said. He's an academic all american. So i'm curious. What was that like the first time. He decided he was going to go in the football business. Really the this. I really didn't think that much about it. Because my brothers are lawyers so i grew up with the ball and i'm and i worked with ballplayers. Obviously they're not now. Footba and trevor had the football being the quarterback. Because i can tell what's going on and so in thinking about him. Becoming a quarterback was s. Something that was just is calling was just drawn to that position or did he have a cosa quarterback he was drawn to and he was a natural to it as he got older. We become camps on thirteen. I started putting with a trainer sound but he was just a natural at it really liked to throw So was just less without ability. Throw the football. Jeremy i want to go back to you on this real quick high school. He starts as a freshman and then next as high. School career goes on multiple state championships. He ends up being the number one recruit in the country. When was the time where you started realizing. Okay this is not just. He's not just a big deal in our town. He's becoming a national recruit here at a national figure in the sport after his in the spring after his freshman year all american honors and recruiting stepped up. So i mean we saw things in the eighth grade that were kind of heading that direction but nothing like after his freshman year in high school. It was my ex preps freshman all america game. I'll stay and all that stuff so it did not slow down after that is so you talk about it not slowing down. How is he able to handle the weight of expectations when he became a big name. I'll think he's handled it very well. He still the same guy as before with family. And you know he had exposure to Fourteen years old so near the downside of that is he was fourteen years old. So you lose necessarily want kids at that age to have to deal with so much but by the time he made it to college. It really helped them. Because he'd been exposed to the media exposed to a lot of pressure. You know all the things that go on in. He's always the handled pressure pretty well. Meaning you know with all the the fame as its own on his really really well with it. he's always they focus and you know just handled all even the price and the criticism very well. It's crazy bucky. How the recruiting thing has changed. You know used to be after your junior year. That's when the recruiting process starts now. It's pretty much over by that. I mean this he. He knew his son was a national recruit after his freshman year in high school. I mean big time and big time from a small town. It one dies coop program. Did he played it. Cards was outstanding. I mean you talk about a team does a perennial power. He takes over all the fresh expectations for him. To keep that thing going. He was able to but to emerging quickly as a national recruit and getting the interest. But trevor not really been phased by Once again i think one of the things that will hear from those who know him well. the pressure in the hype. And all those things never really impacted the way he played and i think it takes a very mature young player to be able to handle those things without it kind of creeping in filtering into their play. Well i think when you talk about being even Even killed probably a skill set. That would serve you well in the art world. I bring that up because one of the more fascinating things about trevor is his family and his his brother chase who was actually an artist. An accomplished artist And to me you look at two guys. Growth in the same household have pursued different passions. Both doing very well. And i think there's some similarities you can learn from the two of them Which is why we wanted to talk with chase to get his take on growing up with trevor and what that was like. So here's our conversation with chase lawrence. What was it like growing up in in the household there. And i would love to know how you got on your path that led you to be very successful. Painter and sculptor. Chevrolets always played sports and like love baseball basketball pretty much everything except soccer. I remember when he was in kindergarten They wouldn't let him play football. So all you can do is play soccer and he like mode everyone down so he. He always played sports and loved it. And i you know. I tried to play basketball. I liked it when i was really young. And then as i got older kind of you know didn't has have as much of an interest and everything but He was busy all the time when we were kids so with sports and everything so i didn't really even see him a whole lot like once he was like in middle school And then into high school he was just always busy We got to hang out like on the weekends and stuff like that but Yeah as far as me and argos. I always Was a drawer in a painter That was kind of all i ever really wanted to do professionally I kind of set my mind to the around my middle schools around like seventh grade. I was like. I'm gonna do it no matter what i put all my eggs in one basket and and then i went to art school and here. We are not as cool so you talked about you guys like obviously developing your passions or finding your passions early middle school. You with art Trevor obviously with sports and football. What is it like because you guys are. I'm sure sibling. You have a little bit of that competitiveness. But in your own feel what was it like in that household you guys pursuing two completely different tracks but supporting one another so crazy thing is. You're gonna ask anyone. I'm not a competitive person at all. So competition doesn't exist in my mind as far as like personal personal things. But so i never felt. Everyone asks me that they're like how did you feel growing up Trevor being like an all star athlete and everyone is giving him all his attention. And i just i was just happy and proud of him and nyc. I never felt jealous. Or anything like that But also my family. You know they love. Sports and sports is a lot more popular to your layperson than our is so like people. Just go crazy over sports. And so i was kind of like the black sheep of the family. But my family's you know. I'm close with all of them. So you know we all have a great relationship and everything but Yeah i think. Trevor started caring more about our and kind of what i was doing more in his maybe junior senior year of high school. And then i think that's around the time. I started carrying more about what he did as well. So we talk about how you guys can be different. But i'd be curious somebody who knows very little about art. I'm going to be fully honest here. But i would imagine to finish and complete. A project has to require tremendous poise and focus. And i mean because those are two attributes when we watch and study you know. Trevor we would say those are two of his greatest attributes. Do you see that. They're parallels connection there absolutely. Yeah i mean. I think the concept of that skill is exactly the same but the way it's executed and The way it is an action is different because timing with him is like everything's a split second You have to be very quick thinker. And i think with me it's Or with art and artist. It's more of a slow thinking process. But it's the same type of problem solving execution thinking about that. You talked about the creative mind creative aspect of what you have while it also retains a level of discipline if trevor was ever to come to you utilizing your experience as an artist to help him as a player. What kind of advice would you give in terms of helping him become great in his own respected field embrace the creativity. People don't think you know. Athletes are creatives But and maybe you know. They're not always exactly. But i think quarterbacks are especially creative as athletes. Because you have to see the whole picture all the different ways you can go all the all the intricacies and details of like how you're gonna you know dodge the other players and you know you know what i'm saying like you have to visually make sense of what's going on in and find solution and i think that is i mean almost like the definition of creativity. So is there a story when trevor was growing up. Where were you saw him. actually Have a temper temper tantrum or you got a little upset or we saw some some of that raw emotion. Come out because you guys seem chill. Yeah so this is funny. I tell everyone this My dad does to my mom and our grandparents ever the whole family really So he never really had a temper. That i remember but when he was a kid he was insane. I mean he would never wear clothes. Run down the street butt naked He would jump on coffee tables he would say like the most embarrassing out-of-pocket stuff in public in stores. Wherever we were and man we thought he was going to be so wild as got older and really be a handful but he is now like the complete opposite so it's fascinating how how he is now because that is not the same childlike yes. Oh it's funny that you say that. Because he does always appear to be really cool and composed employs. His is his demeanor like is he really liked that time. I always say this. And like every like trevor's vary like goofy and always joke and he's like never serious unless we're having like a heart to heart discussion or something but even then he still cracks jokes but When he's like you being interviewed or something he gets like this. Like interview based on like very like serious and Almost like monotone a little bit. I probably the same way but When we're just hanging out and stuff he's just so silly and just a jokester and a super light hearted guy And it's just kind of like a completely different side of him. That i feel like a lot of like fans and stuff don't don't actually see but it looks like he has a bright future ahead of him so sure start coming out more first of all from chases standpoint impressive to me that not not an ounce of jealousy and one hundred percent. Believe him They're grown up in a household with a guy who's really famous. I mean as a high schooler. He's famous in your town as well as nationally. but again. I think it's just a very rooted grounded atmosphere and hall that trevor lawrence grew up in. Yeah absolutely. nothing is very supportive. I actually Believe that his brothers path a different path as a sculptor. Artists may have have. Trevor may help trevor when he talks about tapping into the creativity and kinda forge in your own path. I think it is a unique thing. But i think chase gave great insight into trevor. How trevor was competitive and he almost like a man amounts boys from the time that he was very very little in all of the attention that he had on him for his after the exploits and once again how it didn't really impact me didn't change who he was as a person. Now this next guest you might ask. Why in the world are we gonna talk to the mayor of carter's ville Well because he was also the Who's calling the games for the local radio stations. So he called. Trevor lawrence is games and buck. You had a chance to visit with matt. Santini trevor is gonna roll his right on third down looking to throw under a little bit of pressure. Now he's gonna stop. He's going to run to his left and he's going to float it to the end zone. He's got a man out there. Turner dedicated paths touchdown. What a play by trevor proud to have the mayor of bureau georgia and also radio broadcaster at wbz h f in georgia matt santini. Thanks for joining the mcs podcasts. How're you doing. Thank you becky pleasure to be with you. Talk about one of our hometown heroes. Speaking of hotel he were obviously. Trevor lawrence is a big deal down there but before we get to that i want to know how do you juggle duties of being the mayor of the town and also the play by play voice of the highschool games at the high school. Well that is a great question. The mayor's position in carter's villes a part time position of city manager form of government. So i get to manage the meetings be involved with a lot of economic development and policy issues. I'm not responsible for all the day-to-day operations. Fortunately we've got a professional for that. Running the radio station gets tricky sometimes. for instance that new car driving we will not do a story on all the money. That's missing from city hall. That's pretty funny. They're married now. Everyone is excited about trevor lawrence. I'm sure he is celebrated ended on town. Let's go all the way back. What was it like the first time you saw triple locks you know the story. Two trevor really begins before he was even in high school. People were talking about this eighth grade kid and carter's will a very story Football program and so they've had success and so it's nothing to see kids. Come through and have a great deal of success but when you hear about this eighth grader. That's going to be coming up in place quarterback and might potentially be this fantastic player. It was kind of skeptical. And you'd be real careful about trying to over promote you know thirteen or fourteen year old kids. They are actually that just kids. But it didn't take long that it was that first year where he was a freshman. He was rotating a quarterback duties with miller forest. Dollar went onto to play alabama and it was the second game it really was when they were playing north. Cobb they actually ended up losing the football game but miller had gotten hurt and so the keys were really turned over to trevor. At that point they lost the game by one but it wasn't for lack of any effort on his he. He played a fantastic game and from there. He just kinda knew that there was something special about this kid and from there he just kind of took off and it was really amazing the arm strength and the where he places the football from from the time he was a freshman early in the season was was just remarkable. It has to be a communist. You're young handle the responsibilities starting quarterback on varsity with the level of precision amp production. That trevor was able to do. So what are some of the highlights that you can remember of trevor lawrence. His high school career. I look back at his really his sophomore year. There were a lot of great accomplishments there the state championship game a game. That carter's will only ten to nothing. It wasn't a great statistical game but his leadership was was very evident. And it's the thing that i've told people from the very beginning. You see the long hair and you think. Oh he's he doesn't. Everybody calls him sunshine. Try to relate to to remember the titans. I've told people since before he left. Carter's volts like man. The thing that people forget about our they. They miss on him. He's faster than you think he is. He's deceptively elusive and he likes contact a lot more than people think he has always been a super competitor a super leader and and again of toughness that goes. I think still underrated. You know it's funny because you talk about those traits. I believe humility is a traded is also associated with trevor lawrence Do you have any examples of how homeboy trevor lawrence is. Despite all the athletes that have come his way. I can probably talk more about that. Seeing what he's done and the person he is off the field than i can on the field. You know look at the fact that on fridays he would go to the elementary school in visit with kids. Who just wanted to see him meet him. I remember going out to a local restaurant and he was there with his girlfriend. Now fiancee soon to be wife Enjoying lunch and there were adults coming up to him wanting to try to talk to him and also saw a number of other high school players. That obviously weren't nearly as good as him who are acting like they were a lot better than they had that high school attitude. You know just acting like here. I am. I'm a high school football player. Look at look at me and he just sat there quietly in the corner was eating his lunch and being respectful to everybody i think about really his time at clemson. There's a young man. Here who had a heart transplant Head of unexpected heart issue and trevor snuck back into town. I say he came home. There wasn't a lot of fanfare and came to visit the the young man who just bring 'em jersey and tell them these thinking about them. It's those types of things that really stand out to me with the person that trevor lawrence is. It's it's really the things off the field. And i've said it. There's a lot of adults that can learn how to behave as a human being from this very young man. Yeah there are a lot of people that can learn a lot of different things from trevor lawrence. You talked about his personality. Humility the leadership ability but there are a lot of people that are really fascinated by the talent. So you have to tell me about this. This throw that i keep hearing about. It's called the throw versus mary pearson. In the playoffs the semifinals back in two thousand sixteen. What am i missing. Tell me about throw. It just came coming off that big win on the road against woodward academy. They were at home yet. Feel good about it and right out of the gate. carter's will was down fourteen. Nothing there was a very rare turnover and touchdown and then another quick touchdown. So there's carter's well playing at home down fourteen. Nothing leads them down the field and it was. I can't remember the down. But i remember him just rolling. Who is right and everybody was covered. He he pump faked other quarterb. The linebacker jumps in there. He does a total spin around and turns his left throws it across the field and drops it right over the shoulder of a receiver on the other side of the field and got got his foot in bounds. And it was a touchdown in from there. They they went on and won that game rather largely after that but again down fourteen and nothing had the had the presence to make this great athletic life. I'm sure is one of a of highlight place that he made his arm guard. Israel are the how pleased it stand out to you. Well i think from a highlight perspective. I'll tell you the thing that sticks out in my mind is enjoying watching him play clemson. It was one of the first nationally televised games that he was on and watching the announcers. He was having a big game. I can't remember the opponent but listening to the announcers towards the end of the game trying to come up with something different to say and trying to come up words to describe what he was doing. And i remember putting out on social media sediment watching that i'd come up with four years worth of of words to try to describe what this guy is doing and they were having trouble getting through one college football game with it. That's that's part of the part of what i'll remember. The most of the other part. That i remember is there's isn't a local team up here that their student run twitter site decided they were going to try to talk a little bit of trash about coming into town and getting some resent revenge for a big game. That cars won rather handily the year before and trevor. They tweeted at him. And that wasn't a good thing to do. And you know he's real responsible on social media too and he just tweeted out two words wrong move and shortly after that their twitter account apologized and After that They came to carterville. Actually it was We went up to carter's Calhoun and won that game by account of fifty eight to six overlook. So obviously yeah. Obviously you don't wanna poke to bear. But let's talk about the town. Has the town feel about trevor lawrence in all these become since he's loved high school. You know it's. It's a double edged sword for me In a good way. I mean he is he is put. Carter's ville in the spotlight. Certainly were a very proud community over twenty thousand people. We've got or the home of ronnie brown who enjoyed success in the nfl. Andre flewellyn who did as well and both great young men who have contributed back to the community in our county we also vic beasley lose a little bit of here. Who's enjoyed time in the nfl and again giving back to the community. Great people as in addition. But you know hartsville the opportunity because of trevor lawrence to be on espn and play a football game in our home stadium into spotlight our community on espn or anywhere nationally. A couple years ago there was an ad campaign for adidas that featured. Carter's those football uniforms on. There wasn't our players but it was our uniforms and the level of attention that we have gotten positive attention because of trevor lawrence There's kids listen. There's been kids in this town when when trevor was still here where where number sixteen purple jerseys. Now everybody's been wearing purple. Excuse me orange number sixteen jerseys and unless something really really strange happened of biblical proportions. There's going to be a lot of -til sixteen jerseys being worn around carter's ville and i'll probably buy one myself. I know it's an exciting. Time is an exciting time for trevor. Lawrence is exciting time for everybody to carter's georgia mayor mass anthony. Thanks so much for joining the mood. Six buckets thanks buggy awesome man. I'm glad you got a chance to visit with him again. People knew about trevor lawrence as an eighth grader. I mean so when we talk about you know expectation and what the expectation could be at the next level. This kid's been dealing with expectations since he was thirteen. Fourteen years old. Yeah and and. I think that's something to being comfortable being in the spotlight We always talk about franchise quarterbacks in all of the stuff that comes along with the responsibilities. That increased attention and scrutiny. Whichever lawrence has been dealing with that literally since seven and eighth grade To up encarta joe in even though we can talk about it being a small town. Football was big to handle that pressure to handle responsibility to beat out A player who was older and then to continue to keep card ville winning at a high level speaks volumes about who trevor lawrence isn't and why there's so many scouts to really love What he could be the next level. No doubt Well i mentioned him a little bit earlier and visiting what trent dilfer up there at the at the opening the elite eleven event that you're part of buck But to get some more thoughts on trevor lawrence From trent i thought was something we had to do here with this three sixty episode and you had a chance to visit with our buddy trent dilfer. Obviously this is a fun time for us. Because i feel like we get a chance to see these young quarterbacks grow up in front of our eyes and so what i would like to do is go back to twenty seventeen to the top guys came through process process. Travelers justin feels. Let's start with trevor lawrence when you first laid eyes on trevor lawrence. What did you think think. He was a sophomore or freshman highschool care member. And i said i'll i mean here was a kid that already was mature beyond his years. obviously was a great athlete but was also pretty clean. You don't have been coached very well in georgia by joey king Had developed well had played a lot of seven on seven it already had played a lot of football at the varsity level so he looked like a ban even when he was fifteen sixteen years old and he went through the process he only grew bigger and stronger more powerful than honed his craft and but the thing is the story about. Trevor isn't the physical stuff. It's the mental stuff. Is the competitive stuff. I i remember at the opening. The he was there He he was a sponge. Wood craig nall. One of our coaches who played seven years in the nfl was bugging him late at night going into his room after hours and asked him to teach more ball as a kid that love football he loves to learn. He has zero entitlement to him. He has no ego. is the team above self guy. So he checks every single box. There is to check as a prospect and he was checking back when he was seventeen years old. I mean i remember seeing watching them at the opening. This guy could go to an nfl training camp right now and throw one on one throw routes on air and look like an nfl quarterback you talk about that. I think that remember getting tough for him a little bit at the opening in the finals. What did you discover and watching him. Go through some adversity as a young person. Well that's the biggest thing. I look for quite honest with your ally base a lot of my evaluations off. How they respond to setbacks we look at it in game with an acronym pace plays after critic flares Study that really hard and in that environment of camp environment or a high school football game environment. A practice environment off the field. A guy can be a knucklehead off the field in house respond to that after the fact. So i think it's i think that metric evaluation has a lot to do with their long term success. Because you're gonna have a lot of setbacks. You're going to have a lot of adversity. And it's it's not what happened to you. It's how you respond to it and then trevor's a guy that whether it was the old venetian whether it was not winning the final game of his high school career. Whether it was a setback at clemson he's always been a guy bounces back better the next opportunity. And that's really what you're looking for him and tom. Brady's throwing a lot of interceptions. He's lost a lot of games is a lot of stinkers. He's got a lot of bad series. I think what separates ms that relentless pursuit of the next opportunity. And that's why he's been at his best for twenty one years those situations. Yeah me kind of echoed. What what he had said to me right back. I mean is it. Looks like an. Nfl quarterback is high school. He did and and talked about the adversity. That trevor faced during that event and our say having competed against trevor during that event it was difficult for him because it had been very easy for him to dominate. And it's the first i would say. The playing field is level s. o. The seat trevor have some struggles but to see the resiliency. The toughness grit and determination where he was able to bounce back and finish off strong Once again when you're evaluating quarterbacks you're always looking at how do they respond to bad things dead event. Trent kinda talked about. But but trinh kinda saw some of those things that we all see and we all like about him his build toughness. 'cause i think toughness comes out in a few different occasions. They know to how our next guest. Here's somebody that's known trevor. Again going all the way back to seventh grade. We're getting some some some really good looks at trevor lawrence from different angles here. This is ron veal. Who is a private quarterback coach against work with trevor lawrence since middle school. And we had a chance to visit with ron the first time that you met trevor. When was that and tell us a little bit about that one. Well the first time. I met him was at a football. Camp around. The age will the most rommel's seventh grade. He came out to account long lanky and one of the parents and we'd introduce me to him. And that's how i started thinking about him being long and lanky coach. How were you able to build up his mechanic so he was able to come such an efficient passer at the high school. Look i really think that was It was already there. He was more a bottoms up. Guy work on his fort worth. That's delivery was an air. Just clean up a little bit as he as he matured. His body caught up to his age and his but as like throwing the ball. That was already. There was just a natural no doubt coach. When when you look at trevor we see it you know. We saw it in the ohio state game. Twenty nineteen when he took off and ran just the example of the athlete that he is a peek downfield panel ruled that breaks a tackle head is still running pork. Rice pull their catcher tigers. Wow hey game changing play. Is there a moment during your time train with him. Working out with him that That kind of jumped out to you. This overall athleticism all you know. He played baseball as well so he was well rounded athlete. He was always athletic drills that we do us like his movements and pocket get now thrown volatile ride. So those things were there. I just didn't know that fast when you ran away from gaza ohio state great length in color code. You talk about the athleticism. The one of the things that trevor is known for its competitiveness. When you've been working with them have you seen examples. Do you have examples of win. That competitive fires come out. I think he's more of a perfectionist with the competitiveness. Every ball has beaten in a great place. Him that ensure right off right He always worked on this crap fourth time so that competitive edge is always there especially in that game. I think everybody see how it looks and thinks that might be a soft kid. But he's very competitive. Fight you fight you tuning in which we know. He had a huge reputation. Come out of high school. Do you remember when that kind of exploded when he started to get really a lot of attention locally and then kind of growing beyond locally to nationally and and how did he handle that. I think he howard well. I also backing for all attention. He received on high school and it even started a middle school with him. Because everybody everybody knew who was. He started as a freshman in high school. As a ninth grader playing football he enjoys it. S pretty impressive and he started for four years and he went to. I think three state championships in one state championships. And four as the hyper as always remember we will add a chick-fil-a watching film. This elderly lady said your trump alarms take a picture with went get an autograph and he was gracious in. That wasn't arrogant or anything like that. So at that point in time. I mean that he learned how to deal with his status as i will say celebrity quick. I got a follow up on that coach as somebody who played quarterback if my if i had a quarterback coach who was training me at a chick-fil-a i do believe i would have exceeded the level that which i played. I mean that is that's next level right. There was a spot that we will go to new format stuff but it works. It was right causes three from his this one one thing on trevor because you talked about him being a freshman leading team every success. One of the things that he's done for is winning. What is it about him able to to get his team to the winner's circle consistently. I think he's just not a selfish person. He can make other people around him. Better from the last guy on the roster to the i got on the roster. I think he treats. Everybody is sane and he leaves example. He's not raw but he leads. By example i end last one out. He's encourage encourage encourage. And that's the biggest thing i see from russia. What was the reaction from from the community Seeing after he goes to clemson and that game where he is a young player. Tears up this legendary alabama defense win a national championship. What was the reaction from folks in town there. Where you know. He's north of atlanta on cod israel. I'm sure he was out to the hilt but what is doing for. The key is here in atlanta metro areas. Just showing that. There's a waiting you can accomplish all of these things just work at being being hobble as you go about what you're doing and just come from hard work and i think e put an awful lot hard work with talent and he has two kids being together coach. They ever trained together. The justin trevor ever trained together. And if so what was that like well. We only did it. One time asset to say what we had it. Where at a freshman year at georgia or going into freshman year georgia and clemson. We had him on the field together and usually neither one of them talk during a session. So this session was even quieter because we could see the competitive level goal goal goal in those type of session where you don't really so much just watching enjoy it because it wasn't much to say just they went at it from head start to the finish and i'm just pretty good. It's pretty good coach. How unusual is it to have to. I mean top picks within thirty five miles of each other. Is there a of quarterback talent in that area in georgia. Yeah right now. i'm kinda biased. Yeah i think. We have a group of people training quarterbacks in atlanta right and Atlanta has a group of kids. Maybe fifteen twenty years right now. Got one office georgia. And i don't know if is a high bid but something's happening in some. Some good is happening on our in and we'll take it so like i said those two kids are helping so many other that they probably don't even know about fourteen dreams of clinton at the next level or even making it to the nfl but what they're doing is really helping a lot of as an retro from the standpoint lake. I can do the same thing. If i really really focused on what i'm doing and and i respect and how will be all about. The game is nowhere. It can take me somewhere. What couple takeaways here. But first of all. I love the fact that he's doing working chick-fil-a that's that's a win for me that's That's going to get you a little. Not a bump up the grade watching film and chick-fil-a But to me the other thing that really stood out is the fact. We talk about this phrase. And i think some people. Maybe they'd think it's it's hokey. Or what have you when you say guys and natural thrower some of these kids you can just tell the first time they picked up a baseball or football like that's what it was supposed to look like and to me. That's kind of trevor. Just a real easy natural thrower. Yeah easy natural thrower And i think talent is always there when you look at it. Because it doesn't like he exerts a lot of energy and effort. He makes throws code visuals outlining of trevor's like perfectionist. Tendencies in how he just wants to do it right all the time in how. He's driven to do those things. i think. That's a common thread this year to monks great players and so to identify inspired that trevor lawrence early. I think it kind of highlights. Why he's been able to have the success that he's at a young player or used to say in the draft room. You know our boston's used to tell us. Hey paint a picture of this player. You know. Paint a picture. Where if we've never seen him before you gotta to describe him and tell us about him so we can close our eyes and imagine what he looks like. That's what we're trying to do here. In this three sixty episodes. Hopefully you've got a good feel for. What trevor was kind of coming through high and in the early development and when he got started in this sport now we want to transition to what took place once he got the clemson because he has had one of the better college careers of a quarterback that we've seen since we've been doing buck going back twenty years So let's jump into that and to do that. Let's bring back coach. Dabo sweeney for a little bit about what took place there at clemson. I think trevor can be an international superstar. You know there's not many football players. Ever become international superstars I think part of the part of that is just because you know. We all wear helmets and uniforms in. You know kind of get defied by that and then you take helmets often. You know you become a normal person. Sometimes you blend in. Trevor doesn't go in In any regard. I think that he's one of those guys that just because of his presence of he's got a chance to really transcend the sport. What would you give. Because i know what i would have. What would you give to just be able to wear trevor's hair for like maybe this like a week if you could just walk around with that for you. Well if i'd known you don't ask that question i would. I would put my wig on. Because i got. I went on the air gap between worn it to couple team meetings along. The way you know had some fun with that but you know i don't know seems like a lot of work to me a shampoo and the flip and all that stuff but hey it works for him. I don't know that. I could pull it off but i guess sixty six goes with it but you know the cool thing about him is he does have this look of hollywood. He really does but he. I'm telling you he is the most unholy would You're ever going to meet is very simple very disciplined routine guy and just just very normal very normal like i said. He looks like this. Like he's got all this almost some madonna to him but he does man he's he probably uses pantene. Simple shampoo. think we have to do. We have to do comps right so for the network. We always have to come up with comparisons for these guys and so with trevor. I said well he's not. There's not one conference. He's kind of a unicorn in that degree so to me. I just said justin herbert's frame. He's got jennifer aniston's hair. Yeah i don't for either. I i really don't i don't know who he is is very unique a lot of people in fact we did. I just did a thing with peyton. We did a little thing. Down at the golf star. Mashes all star. That was kind of fun seeing those two because that was really his hero growing up. Let's paint men. S why sixteen or spain payton was finding because he was golly. If you'd like if. I was hero. You wish you have chosen mama mater you know but you know. He's he's he's big like peyton just a better athlete. You know. I mean he can just flat out. I mean he's so different I can't really recall anyone like him that had the combination of that size and speed and an arm town. It's it's unique an just an incredible football. Iq go with me. He's got a high aptitude for the game processes. Things quickly anticipates. Well you can make all the throws and got a bright future for sure why i thought it was fascinating buck when we think of cops is one for trevor. Just different right. I mean we can say a little bit of this guy a little bit of that guy but it's As coach said it's it's hard to come up with. It is hard to come up with one. And when we think about trevor and you watch him you know it's funny because you just don't see guys kiss is with his athleticism his arm talent. I know recently we've seen just in her become into the league but it's kind of hard to compare somebody like that so quickly but yet trevor. He's unique player. He's a bit of a unicorn a position no doubt he's definitely different All right let's Let's get back to its parents here. this is jeremy and amanda lawrence about that that magical run their his first year at clemson. Amanda i won't go back to you on this one the freshman year and i i believe i don't know if the jerseys behind you are from that from that season or not but to to step on that stage and take over the position when he did and then to go on that run i mean. What was that like for you for you parents. I'll start with you manage just to experience. What a magical time. That was For him and your family yeah. It was really exciting. I mean i was so proud of him. And and just you know you went. Allen competed and he didn't let any kind of press or you know i guess You know what the press was anticipating or whatever. He didn't let that bother him he. He knew that he had a job to do when he went to clemson that he was going to compete for a starting job. That's what all the quarterbacks do are any position that you're assigned to or that you play. And he gave it his all and yeah the super proud of him. I know you have to be proud of. Not only what. He's become on the field but it seemed like over the last year so he's really grown into the leadership position in terms of the face. The clemson have you seen him. Grown from your own is as a parent terms of a leader and as a a role model for others. Well i mean one one thing that comes to mind straight away as though high state game when we were down and then we ended up coming back in and winning that game. I mean he didn't let anything get him down. He really picked up his team and was like is you know we can do this and really didn't give up and he's is always been persistent in that aspect and Yeah under super proud. And how he's brown as a later and that he can. You know be an example to his team a hard worker. Don't give up you realize along with that. But the platform has to impact people off the field and he embraces that and You know really wants to take advantage of that opportunity. So i think he's definitely around in that capacity. I think he will continue to do that while this is this is probably the most important question that i have you guys. You guys have been great with us today. I just. I got to know as somebody who's a little bit thin appear and as bucky who somebody who's more thin up there. Where does this beautiful flowing hair. Come from from trevor. Who did he get his hair. Not for me. He had a head full hair. That's you realize guys that's the first. That's the first endorsement deal. That's coming if it hasn't come already. I mean that's the first one that's coming. He's going to have a shampoo deal before the first contract is even signed. I do think he's going to have shampoo deal buck. I think that's coming. It's just a matter of time there. I mean that's that's the easiest market anybody could ever put together. Yeah i mean absolutely look man. He has his everything that you look for it. It's easy to be jealous when you see a kid who has all the size and physical gifts that that you want you see the hair which certainly stands out. It makes him an even bigger superstar when you look at it and then just the overall talent in the way that he wins. Some guys just have that magical ability to get their team to the winter circle. Trevor went on one of the best ones that we've seen in college football in terms of leading the tigers to their first national championship. And for him to do it as a freshman is uncommon. Definitely great to catch up with his parents again on that topic. All right. let's bring back trent Again knows trevor. Going back to the elite eleven and i thought he has a good feel for the evaluation in what you see when you study what he did at clemson trevor s no title very early in his career then he gets clemson back but he he loses in the semifinals and then loses in the finals during those two years in watching him as a college player. What are the things that you're most impressed with. And what do you think that he has to continue to work on it to be the player that we all think that could be the next level all star with what it needs to improve on and it's been something he's been working on since high school but just recently in the last couple of months he's really identified it with jordan palmer spoke to jordan a couple of weeks ago. I'm the things that trevor came in wanting to work on the same things that myself jordan another's kind of identified. He's got to become more flexible in his upper torso. He has very poor rasic flexibility therefore he doesn't rotates as a thrower he goes pistol and forward as a grower so he tends to be wide and spread out at times that leads to some of the inconsistencies. I think he dressed already. He wants to play at the more. Stable base wants to stay more level so fundamental stuff fundamental stuff. That will lead to more consistency. And that's the only knock you can find on trevor. Is that every once in a while. We'll get away from him when he's really tried to rip it or when he's rush because there are some slight tweaks music vague fundamentally But that's really yet. He has good is for. The game is good a presence in the pocket. a feel for people around him win to become a window. Attack the line of scrimmage as a runner and win a by time was shuffles and slides in the pocket. There's a great clip. I think is against notre dame in the in the playoff game where they're running kind of a dive in fake across route and then a high corner off of it. He's getting pressured and ninety nine point. Nine percent of quarterbacks would have not bought the tai to make a throw and he goes backwards in the pocket because the events of lines linemen are coming up on them and takes probably sixty percent off the ball and lays it out to a spot and they get thirty yards out of it. A little nuances like that game. He's playing the professional level game at the college level. He's a he's a horsepower. Twitch guy and i kind of introduced this concept a couple years ago with justin herber as sophomore and saying you know there's a guy coming up it has a rare combination of horsepower and twitch was she gives you guys horsepower very powerful. They're strong their physical confidence. Ben rothlisberger cam newton. Some of the giants of the game but lacks twitched. They lack that through and next thing you know they're gone. They're icy and it comes out of their hands. Then you see a littler guys. At times johnny manziel Some of the smaller guys. That are so twitchy but they lack power will very rarely. Do you find the guys have. Andrew lock was really the first one lack the little twitch but had it thought herber was another one that had it. And now you're looking at who's really the ultimate model horsepower twitch so from a trade standpoint that's what it is and then he has every throwing the catalog We always talk about. How big is your cadillac. Some guys are greater outbreaking route. Some guys are good target route. Some guys throw a lot of crossing routes some guys though some runway rep runaway routes deep ball quick game. Rpo catching throw whatever it is. He's got them. All the one thing about this offense is. It's i wouldn't call it. A system at times is lacking over his career. They have added ball you to the catalog. And he's pretty much made every throw you're going to be asked to make in his college career. Throw by these touchdown. I liked that but horsepower. Twitch i've used those individually talk about guys having horsepower. Talk about guys having twitch. Trent combine them all together. I mean he. He does a extraordinary gifts. And that's why because we talk about six five six frame but the athleticism and in the arm talent whip is outstanding in terms of being able to push you down the field the way the ball comes out. You talked earlier about him being natural thrower and so yet. The best pitchers are the ones that can mix a little power finesse. Trevor lawrence able to do that It's always great when you can talk to somebody. Who is an expert at the quarterback position as well as somebody who's coached against trevor lawrence and we had that opportunity to visit with david cut cliff. Who's head coach at duke. And one of the premier voices on the quarterback position. You about somebody that you had a chance to to coach against. I know somebody that you had on campus. Well you've known for for a long time trevor lawrence. We also he's going to be the first. Pick your jacksonville jaguars. But what what was your first exposure to him. And what was your takeaway. Well i mean first of all. He's bigger than you stay. Bs faster than you think. he is. Okay i know his high school coach. Well he was well coached and trained in high school but the things that his high school coach said about him as a person as a teammate think he's displayed it clinton that he's a great teammate. Which is extremely important. Probably the greatest compliment. An athlete can get this. Being a great team. Met and So i do think he's humble hardworking. you know where he is in his progression as a quarterback. I wouldn't know as much about but he does possess the skill level and really again going back to having great respect for his high school coach and remember everything he said about. Trevor makes you realize that. He's he's got the intangibles as well. Great who you talk about that. One more perspective trevor. Being on the opposite when you face a guy like trevor lawrence what do you feel like facing a guy like that was the challenge. We face someone who's as talented and dynamic namic as a trouble arm. Well i mean. We didn't really have an answer to be honest with you. The challenges are is that he is big enough and he could be pure in that pocket he can do what the guys i've coached before can do. And then he can create so we played against johnny manziel in his last game at texas. Am go to arm. We all know the mobility was incredible. That you knew he wasn't going to just stay in the pocket in throw it the way. Trevor can throw trevor control outright song time he can throw digs on time. You know and that that's really to me. What you've got to see is an any certainly the body type you know to do that. And i think that's the unique that we didn't have an enhancer. I mean if you just try to keep him into pocket rush high. He's going to be successful in there. You can't even not rush him and try to jump in bat balls because he's a good side gap so we struggled again. Best thing you can do is limit the number of snaps they get. Somehow i thought the stuff about throwing on time was impressive. Buck as much as you know bigger and faster more athletic and all that stuff then you maybe think when you watch them on tape too when you see him in person i think the fact that he can throw routes on time. I think that point by coach cut cliff was a big one. Yeah that definitely was a big one The bigger thing was coach cliff pointing out that he just sent. Trevor lawrence was a great teammate So much of what we talk about with the quarterback position has to do with the physical ability. But it's a leadership position in being able to connect all types of players from different parts in different backgrounds and all those things and to support them and to get all of those guys moving in the right direction for an opposing coast to be able to see that identified that in trouble lawrence. It just kinda tells you how special trouble ours is. I think it's interesting. When just kind of connecting the dots steer and coach cutlip having coached peyton manning. You think about trevor lawrence wearing that number. His daboh told us because of peyton. Manning tennessee So to me. I just think it's it's interesting when you see this kind of path that he's on and there are. He does have a little bit of peyton manning to his game obviously is different athlete but there is a there is some similarities. There it's fascinating when you when you get a chance to connect all these dots Another coach there in the acc that we have a great relationship with one of my coaches from. Upstate is is scott satterfield. Who's done a really nice job. There with that louisville football program. We had a chance to visit with him and ask him his thoughts on trevor lawrence. Think you saw them this year. I don't think he played clemson this year. By now you saw in nineteen Just just playing playing against a coaching against trump lawrence and then also seen him. I'm sure you saw tun across over tape this year. Just your take on him as a former quarterback yourself well you know. He's he's really unbelievable. I i try to find a weakness on him and i. I don't know what it is. I'd be interested here. You're taking what weakness you think he has. Because you know he's six six. He runs like a six foot tremendous arm he's he's very accurate. But but i think the one thing that i love more about him than anything else is just his demeanor in his approach to the i think that sets him apart from everybody else. You know when you have that i mean. He's he's more in the line of of the peyton manning. Tom brady drew brees. He's got that about him so in those guys obviously are hall of fame type players so he has the talent. He's got the skillset more so than tom. Brady's tall but he can't run drew. Brees is we've got a great so he's got kind of all those intangibles plus the things that you want the leadership the humbleness that he has the team first mentality people wanna play for him and get everything they have for. He's gonna make everybody around him better. You know so he. He's just he's a. He's a unicorn. I mopped i. I kinda nitpick like when you play those games. Lsu and highs. They may be win. The pressure in the late change in coverage. They tricked them a little bit but he is so good. I think coach for you. I think always fascinating to get a coach's perspective when you're on the other side line and your team is playing against a duke. A franchise quarterback. What is that feeling. Like when you're facing and does it change how you approach it from office depot. What is it like facing a topnotch quarterback on the other side. Well yeah yeah. It's very challenging. Obviously now we played them two years ago we had two pigs so he had zone interception while ended up taking them all he doing the coverage a little bit. You know trying to force the ball. You know sometimes quarterbacks do that. But but i think you really just trying to contain them. I mean really. You know you know. He's going to be able to make those plates. The thing about clemson to is that you had some other players that are really good with wide receiver of the running back. So i'm really really just can't try to focus. Oh stop and so on. That's where it makes it really challenging thing. But i think you just want to try to keep everything in front. Don't wanna give up those big plays on that he's obviously capable of doing try. Try to make him get impatient things so you know. Just give him the underneath rose and see if he'll take them. All you know some quarterbacks will they wanna get. I wanna throw that ball down when and get a little bit hungry in in the eager to throw the ball downfield. That's where you get in trouble. Hamad if he's has that faces than it's gonna be hard to beat him you know because they have so many great weapons around but Yeah it's it's very difficult. I think when you face somebody that caliber town. Why as you know coach. I prefer it for the teams. Just give me the stuff. I didn't really take those layups all day. Long making a profit if someone wants to get back in again book leadership humility Some of those things that come up that you would think is an opposing coach. You wouldn't really pay attention to more. The skill set stuff but manages comes out. Everybody we talked to. It comes out so it's obvious. Dj that Trevor lawrence displays something on the field. That other coaches can kinda sense. Sometimes we talk about the fact in the swagger. But when i get that i get from trevor lawrence there's this self assuredness disquiet confidence that you can just pick up. That he kind of has this. I got it. Don't worry about it. Team i got i think opposing coaches recognize. That and i think they appreciate that. No doubt We've had a chance to visit with gash coaches and family members player guys. That have coached against him. Trainers you name it. We've talked but every we haven't talked to as a teammate. And we couldn't get through this episode without getting glimpse of trevor lawrence as a teammate. And we did that. Fortunately you're able to catch up with arguably the best running back in this year's draft class his teammate. Travis t. n. So in thinking about clubs in your program you guys have been so successful and so there's naturally a lot of attention on the players. They're one of the players has been trevor lawrence. What is it like to play with trevor lawrence. What is like an auto trail. He's cool calm collected. I mean he he. He really buses but everyone stops listening. And after they travel the skies little for him. A man i mean. It was really a great spirits. Humblest bishop mutability play with the number one quarterback. Nowhere where pig. Eventually so me under spell grateful hubbard. I got to play with him. And i mean man though those town you can take for granted but looking back on your the special moment. Was you know you guys were very special. You guys accomplished a lot and it's funny because both you guys were very young clear when you're won the national title. Did it ever seem like it was overwhelming for you or for trevor. Like to step in that step on that big stage and really lead the team. No sir at all. i never that we have applied. That goes credits at our culture. Ju just a the group of god that we had around us felt like it was easier to step in and lead because everyone was so about their business and i we all have one goal so it was easy for him to step in there and just do while book. I think we're we're kind of painted the picture here now. This is a. There's a humble confidence to trevor lawrence. There's as good as he. Is there still more for him. Ahead i think travis heat the job kind of painting that picture. Yeah he talked about it. Not being too big for him and i think we all have been around players where we like to see him impress moments and how they respond and for a young player freshman player to play on a big stage in not to become overwhelmed by the task at hand Once again it just further confirms A lot of belief from sc ousted. This guy is qb one. He is the guy he should be celebrated as one of the best that we've seen. Come through the pipeline. And i i think everything that we've heard from those. That know him well from his. His family members to his coaches to opposing coaches says it. Trevor lawrence is that dude. And i think if you're a team that is looking for a quarterback a franchise quarterback houston at the top of the board. When you just listened to the background all of those things make you really want to check off all the boxes and it just got a lead you to believe that this guy is going to have tremendous success when he gets to the next level that he is going to be able to handle all the things that are put on him as a franchise quarterback and that if given the time and given the support that at some point he is going to help his team win and win big all right buck. So now we know trevor lawrence jags. First overall pick together with urban meyer. How does this whole thing come together. I think it comes to go together nicely. Here's what i say. When i think about the jaguars anything about urban meyer winners win. And trevor lawrence is a guy that has always one never lost a regular season game in high school and in college his expectation is dead. He is going to play for team that wins. He understands what it looks like. You understand how it should play out on the field and when your alter competitive person like urban meyer. You want a quarterback that feels the same way this works because these guys are in lockstep actually expect great things from the jags. I think this is going to be a very competitive team quickly. Because they've assembled not only trouble lawrence they brought him into the face of the franchise but they bring in a bunch of other winners with him and as he leaves them. I think he's going to lead them to a ton of success. The i'm excited to see how this offense comes together and what it looks like you know. Are they going to get him under center. Is it going to be kind of a spread shred or they're gonna try and be a dominant run team and play off of that now. We'll have to see a lot of different voices. They're representing some different philosophies in terms of schottenheimer. Bebel how they put this offense together with trevor lawrence. It's going to be fun. I'm excited to see it. But i think We both are in agreement. I hopefully. I think you will be too after listening to all the folks who trevor lawrence very well through this entire episode. This kid's not going to fail. I just don't see it. I don't see it happening. He's ready for it. It's not too big he's built for. We are excited to follow the jacksonville. Jaguars and new their new quarterback trevor lawrence. Well hope you guys have enjoyed this episode. We appreciate you hanging with us. again you can check out other three sixty episodes. We have which are on New bears quarterback and just field. You also have one on the new jets quarterback that izzak wilson so beyond the lookout for those Those are coming your way. And we appreciate you hanging with us here today on this very special trevor lawrence. Move the sticks three sixty episode.

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671. Trevor Lawrence 360

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671. Trevor Lawrence 360

"I think trevor can be an international superstar. You know there's not many football players. Become international superstars three watching them at the opening scene. This guy could go to. Nfl training camp right now on throw one on one throw routes on air. Look like another quarterback versus. I can't really recall anyone like him. That had the combination of size and speed and an arm town. Everyone it's daniel jeremiah for move. The sticks am bucky brooks and this is trevor. Lawrence is three sixty are buckle. This is a big one here Probably the biggest episode of the year for us when we think about everything that goes into it so we spent a lot of time doing our homework on. Trevor lawrence top quarterback. I think we're in the same boat on that one in this year's draft class and interesting story and man we've gone to great lengths to learn more about him yeah. Dj this has been a really unique project for us because we had a chance to really dig deep into charters background. Talk to his college. Coach talked to family members. Talk to people around him in his home town. And most importantly talked to some of the private coaches and trainers. They really know him well not to mention. Some opposing coaches Which offer some great insight here as well. But but let's first of all before we get into some of these interviews just kind of quick buck as we kind of starting chronologically here the first time you heard about trevor lawrence. I know during the elite eleven stuff he popped on the radar. Pretty early yeah. Dj my first exposure to trevor lawrence was at a camp and you know when you these elite eleven camps is the best of the best. And so you've you've heard about some of the quarterbacks coming through but you knew about trevor lawrence won their the reputation preceded him to when you see him. He looks like everything that you expect to see from. A potential franchise quarterback big athletic tremendous arm. Talent the hair always stands out. Because i you think about and sunshine. But i think the thing that i came away with just my first interaction is just how focused in how serious he was about the game Didn't say a lot. Just kind of went about his business and they're just kind of resonated because there's different approaches to how you cannot participate in those camps like are you there really for the competition are you. Did learn and get better. And i would say that. Trevor lawrence competed while being really really focused on becoming a better player and that is a little unusual some task for high employers. Yeah it was impressive. I just going through the opening Big nike event that you were coaching at in and seeing him for the first time up there and running into dilfer who were going to chat with and just a little bit And he was like. Yeah that's that's like the drew bledsoe but he's athletic. I'm like whoa okay. And i watched it. I was like oh dang The spent well. Let's get some more guest here because this is where we're really trying to pick things up and learn more about trevor lawrence the player the person and we're gonna go through the process. You're talking about the recruiting The development of the younger years in high school years here. Let's start things off with a little bit of our conversation with clemson head coach dabo sweeney. It's it's how you win. You win by sacrificing uncompromising and using young people already win with love and compassion and development and equip in young people With with a great experience great tools for life. That's that's really you know how we've gone about our business year and trevor is. Just come in here and and step right into that role. He's the epitome of that. He he comes in you. Talk about developing yeah. He's a highly guy but he's got to come and he's gotta earn it. S the other thing. You gotta earn it here. We don't give anybody even. We're not entitling anybody you you're empowered. You're not entitled. You got to go earn. It and trevor was that way in the recruiting process. Just a very humble kid committed december of his junior year. I mean at that point we had. We had the number one quarterback in the country committed to clemson as a senior. He was a senior in high school. And we had like a top twenty quarterback with two quarterbacks in that senior class and he'd come we had kelly bryant zehr gruber and all these guys on the roster and then he commits december of his junior year. And to this day. One of the things. I've told a lot of people body. You never asked me about another quarterback in the recruiting process. Not like night not a single conversation. It was all about clemson. What our program's all about the people you know. That's all our offense style of play. Receivers those types of he never asked me not one time. You're talking about a kid not afraid to compete. And he came in. He committed december his junior year and it was over like never another discussion about earlier federal laws. He went on about his business being a high school junior high school senior. You know just being a kid. Enjoying his journey. I can honestly say that about that. He has truly enjoyed his journey. He enjoyed being a freshman. He enjoyed camp. He enjoys spring practice in watching him come in here and have the self awareness to him. Yeah he knows he's really talented but he's never satisfied and he knew he needed to get bigger stronger. Faster more knowledgeable all these things and to watch him attack that process Would just great joy. His journey was really cool. And and you know prove that he could he deserved to be the guy had to earn it and then he does. That will then become a leader of offense. Then there's less become a leader of the team less become a leader of college football you know unless become a leader in your community and so it just watching him go through that journey. It's been pretty special and do it with such grace. Such military and with the brightest of the brightest of the brightest lights in unbelievable scrutiny. In what these kids go through today is so different than when when we were coming up in. I mean the scrutiny is unbelievable but there's never been a guy more prepared trevor. He's been doing with this. The ninth grade when he won the job as a fourteen year old at carville great program and he beat out a senior quarterback a really talented player. Who by the way was the starting tight end in alabama this year. Okay but he had been a quarterback up until trevor made him a tiny in history. He drafted this kinda as well. In fact he was at his wedding. And you think about a senior in high school. I made a great player division. One guy who who's pack pack changed because the trevor. You know but but you gotta give that kid a lot of credit. He stayed at carterville said. Hey we'll look this guy. I'll move to another position next thing. you know. He signs a tiny in an alabama. And now he's getting ready to be drafted and i think that says a lot about that young man as well and got a chance to see him at trevor's wedding. Here's a fourteen year old with the weight of a whole program in town. Cars villas friday night lights. Now this is this is this. Is tom high school football. Like they're passionate about and here's this year old with long hair. It's six six first of all may not couldn't believe it. When he walked in the room but just the expectations the scrutiny. The social media the then you get into the seven hundred. Seven is the elite eleven. You're supposed to win every week. You know all that and then you supposed to come to clemmson. You're supposed to win. The job is supposed to go champships supposed to do this this this and you know we're supposed to be the number one pick. He's been dealing with this stuff forever but guess what. That's his north. That's that's what he's used to. That's normal to him The beautiful thing about him is he's not he's not driven by that stuff he is a very. Sye fit our program very well because he's a very inside out person he's he's strong his fate incredibly strong in his faith He's driven by that. He's grounded by that. I mean he just married his middle school sweetheart. Mendan- middle school all through high school. Can you imagine. Trevor lawrence walking around on a college campus. But yet he's very loyal. Committed in something you know but one of the interesting things from dabo there. I thought you know going back to high school when your freshman you beat out a division. One caliber athlete which he did in the miller. Forestall there at kernersville high school. I mean when you're starting to your your your career off on the right foot yet. I i think there's something to that because that takeaway stood out to me. That trevor was a freshman in high school. And he beat out a guy who has a d. one player But the other thing daboll talks about. Trevor never asked about other quarterbacks along the way he was focused. I mean on his own process. Didn't worry about competition in all the other guys and for a five star recruit a guy who has been celebrated as maybe. Qb one to never worry about those things about his confidence and self esteem that he didn't let insecurities kinda get in the way of what he wanted to accomplish. I very comfortable in his own skin. I think we can definitely get that vibe. And you'll get that vibe as well as we go through these interviews you're gonna hear from daboh a little bit later on as well as we're about his development. There's nobody better to talk to when you're talking about a player's development that his parents. We had a chance to visit with jeremy and amanda lawrence about their son. Trevor jeremy demand. I guess my first question would be. What point in time. Did you realize that your son. Trevor was a good athlete. Forget good football player. What what was that moment like where you went okay. This kid's pretty good three or four years baffler. Enjoy playing everything so you know about football at that point but for four years old and when he does i. He was on the soccer team because he was not able to play football. Yeah he was old enough. He didn't meet the farmer and so why he would just get the ball and score and finally to the other team was like listen. You take him out because he is making all the goals and it was. The it was on break team is church league teams. That team said that they didn't you know really keeps going that much anyway but every time the ball was passed. Let trevor would get english for. And they're like okay. You gotta take him out with big little bit to his competitiveness. When did you guys discover that part of his personality. How competitive you us younger two or three. He was always been very. He was more vigorously intense back. Then you could really see you. Don't see a lot of it now. It's very competitive. But he was very you thought he would have been a linebacker that he was vocal and aggressive. Amanda i'm curious what your thoughts were on him playing football. I know where the where the greats he said. He's an academic all american so i. I'm curious what was that. Like the first time. He decided he was going to go into the fold business. Really i mean this. I really didn't think that much about it because my brothers are players so i grew up with the ball and the ball players honestly. They're not now group of football. And you know. I was by tremor. Had the football being the quarterback. Because i can tell what's going on so in thinking about him becoming a quarterback s something that was just is calling just drawn to that position or did he ever accused of a. You know what i think. You'd be a really good quarterback he was drawn to it and he was a natural to it. I mean most as he got older we some camps at thirteen. I started putting with a trainer. Sam but he was he was just a natural at it and really like the to throw inorganic so name was just lost without ability football. Jeremy i wanna go back to you on this one real quick high school. He starts as a freshman. And then next thing you know as high school career goes beyond multiple state championships. He ends up being the number one recruit in the country. When was the time where you started realizing. Okay this is not just. He's not just a big deal in our town. He's becoming a national recruit here at a national figure in the sport factors in the spring after his freshman year. I'm all american honors and recruiting stepped up side. I mean weekly. Solve things in the eighth grade that were kind of heading direction but nothing like after his freshman year in high school it was a much prep strassmann. All american all state and all that stuff so It did not slow down after that is so you talk about not slowing down. How was he able to handle the weight of expectations when he became a big day. I'll think he's handled it very well. He still the same guy are as before with family. And you know he had exposure to it really earn fourteen years old so The downside of that is he was fourteen years old. So you lose. You don't necessarily want kids at that age to have to deal with so much but allah time. He made it to college. It really helps them. Because he had been exposed to the media exposed to a lot of pressure. You know all the things that go along with that panel pressure pretty well on many you know with all the nickname as its own. He's really really done well with it. He's always say okay. And you know just handled all even praised and the criticism very well it's crazy. How the the recruiting thing has changed. You know used to be after your junior year. That's when the recruiting process starts now. It's pretty much over by that. I mean this new. His son was a national recruit after his freshman year in high school. Yeah i mean big time and big time from a small town it one dies. coop program depleted at card. Israel was outstanding. I mean you talk about a team does a perennial power. He takes over all the freshen expectations for him. To keep that thing going. He was able to but to emerging quickly as a national recruiting getting the interest but trevor not really been phased by Once again i. I think one of the things that will will hear from those who know him. Well the pressure and the hype and all those other things never really impacted the way he played and i think it takes a very very mature young player to be able to handle those things without it crashing in and filtering into their play. Well i think you know when you talk about being even even keeled is probably a skill set that would serve you well in the art world. I bring that up because one of the fascinating things about trevor is his family and it is his brother chase who was actually an artist on accomplished artist And to me you look guys grope in the same household pursue different passions Both doing very well And i think there are some similarities. You can learn from the two of them which is why we wanted to talk chase to get his take on growing up with trevor and what that was like. So here's our conversation chase lawrence. What was it like growing up in the household there. And i would love to know how you got on your path that led you to be very successful painter and sculptor well. Trevor always played sports and like love baseball basketball pretty much everything except soccer. I remember when he was in kindergarten. They wouldn't let him play football. So all you can do is play soccer. And he like everyone down so he he always played sports and loved it. And i you know. I tried to play basketball. I liked it. When i was really young and then as i got older i kind of you know didn't has have as much of an interest and everything but He was busy all the time when we were kids. So sports and everything. So i didn't really even see him a whole lot like once he was like in middle school And then into high school he was just always busy We got to hang out like on the weekends and stuff like that but Yeah as far as me and argos. I always Was a drawer and a painter. That was kind of all i ever really wanted to do professionally. And i kind of set my mind to the Around my middle school years. I think around like seventh grade. I was like. I'm gonna do it no matter what i put all my eggs in one basket and And then i went to art school and here we are now this cool. So you're talking about you guys like obviously developing your passions or finding your passions early middle school you with art Trevor obviously with sports football. What is it like because you guys are. I'm sure sibling. You have a little bit of that competitiveness. But in your own feel what was it like in that household you guys pursuing two completely different tracks but supporting one another so crazy thing is You can ask anyone. I'm a competitive person at all. So competition doesn't even like exist in my mind as far as like personal personal things but So i never felt everyone asks me like well. How did you feel growing up You know trevor being like an all star athlete and everyone is giving him all his attention. And i just i was just happy and proud of him and like i had never felt jealous or anything like that But also my family you know they love sports and you know sports is a lot more popular to your lay person than our is so like people just go crazy over sports and so is kind of like the black sheep of the family but my family's close with all of them so you know we all have a great relationship and everything but Yeah i think. Trevor started caring more about our and kind of what i was doing more you know as he was like in his maybe junior senior year of high school and then i think around the time i started carrying more about what he did as oil. Also we talk about how you guys can be different. But i'd be curious as somebody who knows very little about art. I'm going to be fully fully honest here but i would imagine to finish. Completely project has to require tremendous poise and focus. And i mean because those are two attributes when we watch and study you know. Trevor we would say okay. Those two of his greatest attributes do you see that. Is there a parallel connection there. Absolutely yeah i mean. I think the concept of skill is exactly the same but the way it's executed and The way it is an action is different because timing with him is like everything's a split second You have to be very quick thinker. And i think with me it's Or with our an artist. It's more of a slow thinking process. But it's the same type of problem solving execution thinking about that. You talked about the creative creative aspect of what you have while it also retains a level of discipline if trevor was ever to come to you utilizing your experience as an artist to help him as a player. What kind of advice would you give in terms of helping him become great in his own. Respective field Embrace the creativity people don't think you know athletes are creatives But and maybe not. always exactly. But i think quarterbacks are specially creative as athletes. Because you have to see you know the whole picture all the different ways you can go all the all the intricacies details of like how you're gonna you know dodge the other players and you know you know what i'm saying like you have to visually make sense of what's going on and find the solution and i think that is i mean almost like the definition of creativity. So is there a story. When trevor was growing up. Where were you saw him. Actually have a temper maybe temper tantrum or he got a little upset or we saw some some of that raw emotion. Come out because you guys seem chill. Yeah so this is funny. I tell everyone this in my dad does too and my mom and grandparents the whole family really So he never really had a temper that i remember but when he was a kid he was insane would never wear clothes. Run down the street butt naked. He would jump on coffee tables. He would say like the most embarrassing out of pocket stuff in public stores. Wherever we were at and man we thought he was going to be so wild as he got older and really be a handful but he is like the complete opposite. So it's fascinating. How how he is now because that is not the same childlike. Yeah so it's funny. You say that because he does always appear to be really cool and composed employs. He is is to meet like is he really liked that all the time. I always say this. And like every interview. Trevor's vary like goofy and always joke and i'm never serious unless we're having like a heart to heart discussion or something. But even then he still cracks jokes but when he's like you being interviewed or something he gets like this like interview based on he's like very serious and almost like monotone a little bit. I probably the same way but When we're just hanging out and stuff he's just so silly and just a jokester and Super light hearted And it's just kind of like a completely different side of him. That i feel like a lot of like fans and so don't don't actually see but it looks like he has a bright future ahead of him so sure start coming out more first of all buck from chases standpoint impressive to me that not an ounce of jealousy and one hundred percent. Believe him They're growing up in a household with a guy who's really famous. I mean as a high schooler. He's famous in your town as well as nationally. but again. I think it's just a very rooted grounded Atmosphere and hall that trevor lawrence grew up. Yeah absolutely nothing is very supportive. actually Believe that his brothers path a different path as a sculptor and artist may have helped driver may help trevor when he talks about tapping into the creativity. And kinda four your own path. I think it is a unique thing. But i think chase gave great insight into trevor. How trevor was competitive. And kinda how. He almost like a man amounts boys from the time that he was very very little all the attention that he had on him for his athletic exploits and was again how it didn't really impact me didn't change who he was as a person. Now this next guest you might ask. Why in the world. Are we going to talk to the mayor of carterville While because he was also the guy who's calling games for the local radio station so he called. Trevor lawrence is games and buck. You had a chance to visit with matt santini. Trevor's gonna to roll to his right on third down looking to throw under a little bit of pressure. Now he's gonna stop. He's to run his left and he's gonna float it to the end zone. He's got out there. Detail turn touchdown. What a play by trevor proud to have the mayor of georgia and also radio broadcaster at wbz h f in georgia matt santini. Thanks for joining the mcas park. How you doing thank you bucky pleasure to be with you talk about one of our hometown. Heroes speaking of yoga obviously trevor. Lawrence is a big deal down there but before we get to that. I wanna know. How do you juggle duties of being the mayor of the town and also The play by play voice of the high school games high school. Well that is a great question The mayor's position in carter's villes a part time position. We have a city manager form of government. So i get to manage the meetings be involved a lot of economic development and policy issues. I'm not responsible for all the day to day operations. Fortunately we've got a professional for that running. The radio station gets tricky. Sometimes for instance that new car. i'm driving. We will not do a story on all the money. That's missing from city hall. That's pretty funny. They're married now. Obviously everyone is excited about trevor lawrence. I'm sure he is celebrated in that town. But let's go all the way back. What was it like the first time that you saw. Trevor locks you know the story. Trevor really begins before he was even in high school. People were talking about this eighth grade kid and carter's last very story Football program and so they've had success and so it's nothing to see kids. Come through and have a great deal of success. But when you hear about this eighth grader. That's going to be coming up and play quarterback and might potentially be this fantastic player. It was kind of skeptical. And you'll be real careful about trying to over promote thirteen or fourteen year old kids. They are actually that just kids but it didn't take long. It was that first year where he was a freshman. He was rotating quarterback duties with miller forestall who went on to play at alabama and it was the second game it really was when they were playing north. Cobb actually ended up losing the football game. A but miller had gotten hurt and so the keys were turned over to trevor. At that point they lost the game by one but it wasn't for lack of any effort on his people had a fantastic game and from there. You just kind of knew that there was something special about this kid and from there he just kind of took off and it was really amazing arm strength and the where he places the football from from the time he was a freshman early in the season was just remarkable yet has to be a communist young guy handle the responsibilities beyond the starting quarterback on varsity with the level of i dunno precision and production. That trevor was able to do so. What some of the highlights that. You can remember of trevor lawrence his high school career. I look back at his really his sophomore year. There were a lot of great accomplishments there the state championship game a game. That carter's will only tend nothing. It wasn't a great statistical game but his leadership was was very evident. And it's the thing that i've told people from the very beginning. You see the long hair and you think. Oh he's he doesn't. Everybody calls him sunshine. Try to relate to to remember the titans. I've told people since before he left. Carter's volts like man the thing that people forget about or they they miss on him. He's faster than you think he is. He's deceptively elusive and he likes contact a lot more than people think he has always been a super competitor a super leader and a level of toughness that goes. I think still kind of underrated. Because you talk about those traits. I believe Humility is a trade. That is also associated with trevor lawrence Do you have any examples of tau humboldt. Trevor lawrence is despite all the accolades. That have come his way. I can probably talk more about that singing. What he's done in the person he is off the field than i can on the field at look at the fact that on fridays he would go to the elementary school in visit with with kids. Who just wanted to see him meet him. I remember going out to a local restaurant and he was there with his girlfriend. Now fiancee soon to be wife Enjoying lunch and there were adults coming up to him Wanting to try to talk to him and also saw a number of other high school players. That obviously weren't nearly as good as him. Who are acting like they were a lot better than you know the highschool attitude you know just acting like here i am. I'm a high school football player. Look at look at me and he just sat there quietly in. The corner was eating his lunch and being respectful. Everybody i think about really his time at clemson. There's a a young man. Here who had a heart transplant had unexpected heart issue and trevor really snuck back into town. I say he he came home. There wasn't a lot of fanfare and came to visit the young man who just bring them a jersey and tell them these thinking about him. It's it's those types of things that really stand out to me with the person that trevor lawrence is. It's really the things off the field. And i've said there's a lot of adults that can learn how to behave as a human being from this. Very young man. Yeah there are a lot of people that can learn a lot of different things from trevor lawrence. You talked about his personality. His humility the leadership ability but there are a lot of people that are really fascinated by the talent. So you have to tell me about this. This throw that i keep hearing about. It's call the throw versus mary pearson. In the playoffs the semifinals back in two thousand sixteen. What am i missing. Tell me about in a throw. It just came coming off that big win on the road against woodward academy they they were at home you had to feel good about it and right out of the gate carter's will was down fourteen to nothing. There was a very rare turnover and touchdown and another quick touchdown. So there's carter's well playing at home down fourteen and nothing. He leads them down. The field and It was. I can't remember the down but i i remember him just rolling to his right and everybody was covered. He he pump faked the quarter. The linebacker jumps in there. He does a total spin around and turns to his left throws it across the field and drops it right over the shoulder of a receiver on the other side of the field and got got his foot in bounds. And it was a touchdown and from there they. They went on and won that game rather largely after that but again down fourteen to nothing had the had the presence to make this great athletic life. Sure is one of a ton of highlight place that he made during his israel are the the highlight. Plays this stand out to you. Well i think from a highlight perspective. I'll tell you the thing that sticks out in my mind is enjoying watching him play clemson. It was one of the first nationally televised games that he was on and watching the announcers. He was having a big game. I can't remember the opponent but listening to the announcers towards the end of the game trying to come up with something different to say trying to come up words to describe what he was doing. And i remember putting on social media settlement watching that i had to come up with four years worth of of words to try to describe what this guy is doing and they were having trouble getting through one college football game with it. That's that's part of the. That's part of what i'll remember the most of the other part that i remember is there's an up here that their student run twitter site decided that they were going. Try to talk a little bit of trash about coming into town and getting some regret revenge for a big game that carter's would won rather handily the year before and trevor tweeted at them. And that wasn't a good thing to do and you know he's real responsible on social media too. He just tweeted out. Two words wrong move and shortly after that twitter account apologized and after that they came to carterville actually it was we went up to carter's to calhoun and won that game by count of fifty eight six. It was overlooked so obviously. Yeah ozzy you don't wanna poke the bear. But let's talk about the town. The town feel about trevor lawrence and all these become since he's left highschool a double edged sword for me in a good way. I mean he is he is put. Carter's villain the spotlight. Certainly were very proud community of over twenty thousand people. We've got or the home of ronnie brown who enjoyed success in the nfl. Andrei flewellyn who did as well and a both great young men who have contributed back to the community in our county we also vic beasley. Who is a little bit of here. Who's enjoyed time in the nfl and again giving back to the community. Great people as in addition. But you know harder. Xv allowed the opportunity because of trevor lawrence to be on. Espn and play a football game in our home stadium into spotlight our community on espn or anywhere nationally. A couple years ago there was an ad campaign for adidas that featured. Carter's those football uniforms on. There wasn't our players but it was our uniforms and the level of attention that we've gotten positive attention because of trevor lawrence There's there's there's been kids in this town. When when trevor was still here where we're number sixteen purple jerseys never buddies been wearing purple. Excuse me orange number sixteen jerseys and unless something really really strange happened of biblical proportions. There's gonna be a lot of -til sixteen jerseys being worn around carter's villain and i'll i'll probably buy one myself man. I know it's an exciting. Time is an exciting time for trevor. Lawrence is exciting time for everybody to carter's georgia mayor kenney thanks so much joining the mood. Six pockets. thanks buggy about. That was awesome. And i've got a chance to visit with him Again people knew about trevor lawrence as an eighth grader. I mean so when we talk about expectation and what the expectation could be at the next level. This kid's been dealing with expectations since he was thirteen. Fourteen years old. Yeah and i think that's something to be uncomfortable being in the spotlight We always talk about franchise quarterbacks in all of the stuff that comes along with the responsibilities that increased attention and scrutiny. Whichever lawrence has been dealing with that literally since seven and eighth grade to step up encarta joe and even know we can talk about it being a small town. Football big to handle that pressure to handle responsibility to beat out A player who was older and then to continue to keep card is very winning at a high level volumes. About who trevor lawrence isn't and why there's so many scouts to really love what could be the next level. No doubt Well i mentioned him a little bit earlier. And visiting trent dilfer up there at the at the opening the elite eleven event that you're a part of buck but to get some more thoughts on trevor lawrence from trent. I thought was something we had to do here with this three sixty episode. And you had a chance to visit with our buddy trent dilfer. Obviously this is a fun time for us. Because i feel like we get a chance to see these young quarterbacks grow up in front of our eyes. And so what i would like to do is go back to twenty seventeen to the top guys that came through the process process. Trevor lawrence justin feels. Let's story trevor lawrence when you first laid eyes on trevor lawrence. What did you think he was a sophomore or freshman highschool care member. And i said i'll be here was a kid that already was mature beyond his years obviously was a great athlete but was also pretty clean. You've been coached very well. In georgia by joey king had developed well had played a lot of seven on seven and already had played a lot of football level so he looked like a man even when he was fifteen sixteen years old and is he went through the process. He only grew bigger and stronger. More powerful than than honing his craft. And but the thing. I was the story about trevor. Isn't the physical stuff. It's the mental stuff. Is the competitive stuff i i remember at the opening of the year he was there. He was a sponge with. Craig nall one of our coaches who played seven years in the. Nfl was bugging him late at night going into his room after hours and asked him to teach more ball is a kid that loves football. He loves to learn. He has zero entitlement to him. He has no ego as team. Above self guy so he checks every single boxer is to check as a prospect. He was checking back near seventeen years. Old i mean. I remember seeing watching them at the opening scene. This guy could go to an nfl training camp right now and throw one one throw routes on air and look like an nfl quarterback. You know it's funny that you talk about that. I just think that remember getting tough for him. A little bit at at the opening in the finals. What did you discover and watching him. Go through some adversity as a young person. What's the biggest thing i look for. Be quite honest with you. Ally base a lot of my evaluations respond to setbacks We look at it in game with an acronym pace plays after critical flares Study that really hard and in that environment a camp environment or high school football game environment of practice environment off the field. A guy can be a knucklehead off-the-field and housing respond to that after the fact. So i think it's i think that that evaluation has a lot to do with their long term success. Because you're gonna have a lot of setbacks. you're going to have a lot of adversity. It's not what happened to you. It's how you respond to it and then trevor's a guy bit whether it was the old venetian whether it was not winning the final game of his high school career. Whether it was a setback at clemson he's always been a guy that bounces back. Better the next opportunity and that's really what you're looking for him and tom. Brady's a lot of interceptions he's lost. A lot of games is a lot of stinkers bad series. I think what separates ms that relentless pursuit of the next opportunity. And that's why he's been his best for twenty one years most situations. Yeah me kind of echoed. What what he had said to me right back. I mean is it looks like. Nfl quarterback is as high school. He did an trent talked about the adversity that trevor face during that event and our say having competed against trevor doing that event It was difficult for him because it had been very easy for him to dominate. And it's the first time that i would say the playing field is level. And so the seat. Trevor have some struggles but to see the resiliency. The toughness degraded and determination where he was able to bounce back and finish off strong Once again when you're evaluating quarterback you always looking at. How do they respond to bad things. Daddy event trent kinda talked about but but trinh kinda saw some of those things that we all see and we all like about him. Build is toughness. Because i think toughness comes out in a few different occasions. They know how our next guest. Here's somebody that's known trevor. Again going all the way back to seventh grade. So we're getting some some some really good looks at trevor lawrence from different angles. Here this is ron veal. Who is a private quarterback coach against work with trevor lawrence middle school the way through high school and we had a chance to visit with ron the first time that you met trevor. When was that in and tell us a little bit about that one. Well the first time i met him was at a football camp around the age will high schools i mean most ramble seven great. He came out to account Long and lanky and one of the parents introduced me to him. And that's how. I started thinking about him. Being long lanky. How were you able to build up his mechanics. So he's able to come such an efficient passer at a high school. I really think that was It was already there. He was more a bottoms up. Guy where you work on his foot work of delivery was already there. Just clean up a little bit as he as he matured in his body caught up to his age and his broke but for throwing the ball. That was already there was just. I think he's just natural. No doubt coach when when you look at trevor. We see you know. We saw it in the ohio state. Game and twenty thousand nine when he took off and ran just the example of athlete that he is field. Tackle at is still running. Catch you tigers words. Wow hey changing. Play zero moment during your time training with him. Working out with him that that kind of jumped out to you. Just as overall athleticism. He played baseball as well so he was well. Rounded athlete athletic and the drills that we do for us like movements and get out volatile right so those things are there. I just didn't know that fast when he ran away from those guys on ohio state. Great lengthening a lot of coach. You talk about the athleticism. The one of the things. That trevor is known for his competitiveness. When you've been working with them have you seen examples. Do you have examples of wind. That competitive fire has come out. I think he's more of a perfectionist with the competitiveness. Every ball has to be a great place him that insure right He always worked on his craft fourth night time so i think that competitive edge is always there especially in that game a think airbus see how he looks and thanks might be a soft kid but he's very competitive and you'll fight fighting in which we know. He had a huge reputation. Come out of high school. Do you remember when that kind of exploded when he started to get really a lot of attention locally and then kind of growing beyond locally to nationally and how did he handle that. I think he howard well back end for all the attention he received on high school and idiom starving middle school because everybody knew he was in. He started as a freshman in high school as a ninth grader. Playing football in georgia. That's pretty impressive. And he started for four years and he went through it. I think three state championships in one couple state championships and for as the hype as always remember. We will add chick-fil-a when watching film this elderly lady said you. Trevor lawrence take a patriots. Went get an autograph. And he was so gracious in. That wasn't arrogant or anything like that. So at that point in time that he learned how to deal with his status as a celebrity real quick. I follow up on that coach as somebody who played quarterback if my if i had a quarterback coach who was training me at a chick-fil-a i do believe i would have far exceeded the level at which i played. I mean that is next level right there the spot with new form all the stuff but it works i Was right across the street from his This one coach one thing on trevor. Because you talked about him. Being a freshman Leading a team success. One of the things that he's known for is winning What is it about him that enables him to get his team to the winner's circle consistently a selfish person and he could make other people around him better from the last guy on the roster to the i got rawson treats everybody the same and he leads by example. He's not at rug out but he leads by example he's the first and last for now he's Encourage encourage encourage in august. The biggest thing i see from him. What was the reaction from from the community Seeing after he goes to clemson and that game where he is a young player. Tears up this legendary alabama defense when win a national championship. What was your reaction from folks in town there. Well you know. He's north of atlanta. I'm sure he was out for to the hill but what he's doing for the is here in atlanta metro areas. Just showing that. There's a way that you can accomplish all this. Thanks bye. just don't work being being hobble as you go about what you're doing and just sesa comfortable hard work and i think e putting a whole lot hard work along with the talent that he has with those two kids being together coach they ever trained together the justin and trevor ever trained together and if so what was that like well we only did it. One time i said to what they said what we had it. Where a freshman year at georgia or going into the freshman year georgian clemson on the field together and usually neither one of them during a session. So this session was even extra quiet because you can see the competitive level goal goal goal in noses type of session where you don't really say much you just watching enjoy it because it was much to say just they. They went at it from head. Start to finish and Just pretty good pretty good coach. How unusual is it too. I mean topics within thirty five miles of each other. Is there a better quarterback talent in that area in georgia. Yeah right now. I'm kind of biased. But yeah i think we have a good group of people trained quarterbacks in atlanta right now and now atlanta has a group of kids maybe fifteen twenty years right now be want office georgia and i don't know if it's a high bid but something's happening in some some good is happening now in and we'll take it so like i said those two kids are helping so many other kids that they probably wouldn't even know about four zero dreams clinton next level or even making it to nfl but what they're doing is really helping a lot of kids in retro from the standpoint. Like i can do the same thing. If i really really focused on what i'm doing and and i respect and how will be humble about. The game is nowhere. It can take somewhere couple takeaways here buck first of all. I love the fact that he's doing work and chick-fil-a that's that's a win for me that's That's going to get you a little bump up the grade now watching film it and chick-fil-a but to me the other thing that really stood out is the fact that we talk about this phrase and i think some people. Maybe they'd think it's it's hokey. Or what have you but when you say guys a natural thrower some of these kids you can just tell the first time they picked up a baseball or football like that's what it was supposed to look like and and to me. That's kind of trevor. Just a real easy natural thrower yet easy natural thrower And i think to talent is always there when you look at it. Because it doesn't look like he exerts a lot of energy and effort when he makes throws Code vehicles outlining trevor's like perfectionist. Tendencies in how he just wants to do it right all the time and how. He's driven to do those things. I think that's a common thread that shared amongst great players and so to identify in spot. That in trevor lawrence early. I think he kind of highlights. Why he's been able to have the success that these add as a young player or used to say in the draft room. You know our bosses used to tell us. Hey paint a picture of this player. You know. Paint a picture. Where if we've never seen before you got to describe him and tell us about him so we can close our eyes and imagine what he looks like. That's what we're trying to do here. In this three sixty episodes. Hopefully you've got a good feel for what trevor was like kind of coming through high school and in the early development and when he got started in this sport now we want to transition to what took place once. He got clemson Because he has had one of the better college career as a of a quarterback that we've seen and gosh since we've been doing buck going back twenty years Jump into that and to do that. Let's bring back coach. Dabo sweeney for a little bit about what took place there at clemson. I think trevor can be an international superstar. There's not many football players that become international superstars. I think part of the part of that is just because we all wear helmets and uniforms and you kinda get identified by that and then you take helmets off and you know you become a normal person. Sometimes you blend in. Trevor doesn't blend in in any regard. And i think that ike he's one of those guys that just because of his presence of he's got a chance to really transcend the sport. What would you give. Because i know what i would give. What would you give to just be able to wear trevor's hair for like maybe a week. If you want with that man for the week what would you know you. Ll ask that question. How would how would put my wig on. Because i gotta service oriented for halloween. I've worn it to a couple of thi meetings along the way and had some fun with that. But you know. I don't know seems like a lot of work to me. Don't worry about shampoo and you know the flip and all that stuff but hey it works for him. I don't know that. I could pull it off but i guess sixty six goes with it but you know the cool thing about him is is. He does have this look of hollywood. You know he really does. But he. I'm telling you he is the most on hollywood guy you're ever gonna make is very simple very disciplined routine guy and just just very normal very normal guy like i said. He looks like he's got all this almost some premadonna to him but he does it man. He's he probably uses pantene sample shampoo that we have to. We have to do comps right. So you know for the network we always have to come up with comparisons for these guys. And so whichever i said. Well he's not. There's not one conference. He's kind of a unicorn and that degree so to me. I just said look. He's got justin herbert's frame. He's got jennifer aniston's hair. yeah. I don't really have a comp for him either i mean i really don't i don't know he is is very unique. You know we did. I just did a thing with peyton. We did a little thing down at the golf star masters golf tournament. That kind of fun seeing those to you because that was really his he wrote up statement. And that's why we're sixteen was spaded. Payton was funny because he was like eilly. You know if. I was his hero. You wish you to chosen mama mater but you know he's he's he's big like peyton but just a better athlete just flat out wine. I mean he's so different. I can't really recall anyone like him. That combination of that size and speed and an arm town. It's it's unique and an incredible football. Iq to go with. I mean he's got a high aptitude for the game processes. Things quickly anticipates. Well you can make all the throws and got a bright future for sure why. I thought it was fascinating buck when we think of cops. I don't know that there is one for trevor. Just different right. I mean we can say a little bit of this guy a little bit of that guy but it's As coach said it's it's hard to come up with one yet is hard to come up with one and when we think about trevor and you watch him you know it's funny because you just don't see guys kiss is with his athleticism his arm talent. I know recently we've seen just in her become into the league. But it's kinda hard to compare somebody like this so quickly but yet trevor's it is unique player. He's a bit of a unicorn at a position no doubt he's definitely different All right let's let's get back to his parents here This is jeremy and amanda lawrence about that That magical run their his first year at clemson list a. I want to go back to you on this one. The is freshman year. And i. i believe. I don't know if the jerseys behind your from that from that season or not but to step on that stage and take over the position when he did and then to go on that run i mean. What was that like for you for you as parents. I'll start with you it just to experience. What a magical time. That was for him in your family. It was really exciting. I mean i was so proud of him and and you know. He went out and competed and he didn't let any kind of press. Or you know you know. I guess what the the press was anticipating or whatever. He didn't let that bother him he. He knew that he had a job to do when he went to clemson that he was going to compete for a starting job. That's what all the quarterbacks do any position that you're assigned to or that you play. And he gave it his all and yeah the super proud of him. I new you have to be proud of. Not only what. He's become on the field with a seemed like over the last year so he's really grown into the leadership position in terms of the face of clemson. Have you seen him grow from. Your own is as apparent in terms of a leader and as a a role model for others. Well i mean one one thing that comes to mind. Straight away is State game when we were down and then we ended up coming back in and winning that game. I mean he didn't let anything get him down. He really picked up his tame amazon. Guys you know we can do this and really just didn't give And he's he's always been persistent in that aspect and yeah i'm just super proud and how he's brown has later and he can. You know be an example to his teammates card worker. And don't give up. You know he realizes. Along with that the the platform be has to impact people off the field and he embraces that and really wants to take advantage of that opportunity. So i think he's definitely ground in that capacity and he will continue to do that while this is. This is probably the most important question that i have you. Guys you guys have been great with us today. I just. I got to know as somebody who's a little bit thin up here and as bucky who somebody who's more thin up the where does this beautiful flowing hair come from from trevor. Who did he get his hair from. Not for me. And he had a head full head. That's you realize guys that's the first. That's the first endorsement deal that's coming. I mean if it hasn't come already. I mean that's the first one that's coming if he's gonna have shampoo deal before the first contract is even sign absolutely. I think he's going to have a chiampou deal bucket. I think that's coming. It's just a matter of time there. That's that's the easiest marketing anybody could ever put together. Absolutely look he has. He has everything that you look for it. It's easy to be jealous when you see a kid who has all the size and physical gifts that that you want you see. The hair was certainly stands out. It makes an even bigger superstar when you look at it and then just the overall talent and the way that he wins. Some guys just have that magical ability to get their team to the winter circle. Trevor went on one of the best runs that we've seen in college for volunteers of leading the tigers to their first national sham ship. For you're him to do it as a freshman is uncommon. Definitely great to catch up with his parents again on that topic all right. Let's bring back trent again. Trent knows trevor. Going back to the elite eleven. And i thought he has a good feel for the evaluation. And what you see when you study and what he did it. Clinton trevor was s. No title very early in his career. And then he gets clemson back but he. He loses in the semifinals and then loses in the finals during those two years in watching him as a college player. What are the things that you're most impressed with. And what do you think that he has to continue to work to be the player that we all think that he could be the next level all star with what it needs to improve on. It's been something he's been work on since high school but just recently in the last couple of months he's really identified it with jordan palmer. I spoke to jordan a couple weeks ago. I'm the things that trevor came in wanting to work on the same things that myself and jordan and others kind of identified. He's got to become more flexible in his upper torso. He has very poor drastic flexibility therefore he doesn't rotate as a thrower. He goes distorted forward as a thrower so he tends to be wide and spread out at times that leads to some of the inconsistencies address. That already he wants to play at the more stable base wants to stay more level so fundamental stuff fundamental stuff. That will lead to more consistency. And that's the only knock you can find on trevor. Is that every once in a while a ball. Get away from him when he's really trying to rip it or when he's rushed because there's some slight tweaks who needs to make fundamental but that's really yet he has is good is for the game is good a presence in the pocket a feel for people around him win to become a window. Attack the line of scrimmage. A runner and wind up by time shuffles and slides and the pocket. There's a great clip. I think is against notre dame in the playoff game where they're running kind of a dive in fake across route and then a high corner off of it and he's getting pressured and ninety nine point. Nine percent of quarterbacks would have not bought the tai to make the throw and he goes backwards in the pocket because the defense of limes linemen are coming up on them and takes probably sixty percent off the ball lays it out to a spot and they get thirty yards out of it a little nuances like that this game. He's playing the professional level game at the college level He's a he's a horse. Power twitch guy kind of introduce this concept a couple years ago with just and herber as a sophomore and saying you know there's a guy coming up it has a rare combination of horsepower and twitch to simply what she gives you guys have horsepower. They're very powerful. they're strong. They have physical confidence. Ben rothlisberger cam newton some of the giants of the game but they lack some twitch. They lack that Next seen other gone or is icy and it comes out of their hands. Then you see a little guys. At times johnny manziel of some of the smaller guys that they're so twitchy but they lack power will very rarely. Do you find the guys that have andrew lock was really the first one lack the little twitch but had it. I thought herber was another one that had it. And now you're looking at lawrence is really the ultimate model horsepower twitch so from a trade standpoint that's what it is and then he has every throw in the catalog. We always talked about. How big is your from. Catalog guys graded outbreaking route. Some guys are good at target route. Some guys throw a lot of crossing routes some guys though. Some runner-up runaway routes deep ball. Quick gave rpo catching throw whatever it is. He's got them. All the one thing about this offense is. It's i wouldn't call it a system at times. It's lacking but over his career. They have added all to the catalog and he's pretty much made every throw. You're going to be asked to make in his college career deep throat. Just these touch. I like that but of course power twitch. I've used both those individually talk about guys having horsepower talk about guys having twitch trenton. Combine them altogether together. I mean he he does have. I mean extraordinary gifts. And that's why because we talk about the six five six six frame but the athleticism and in the arm talent to whip is outstanding in terms of being able to push you down the field the way the ball comes out you talked earlier about him being a natural thrower and so yet the the best pitches are the ones that can mix a little power with a little finesse. Trevor lawrence is able to do that It's always great when you can talk to somebody. That is an expert at the quarterback position as well as somebody who's coached a trevor lawrence and we had that opportunity To visit with david cut cliff. Who's the head coach at duke duke and one of the premier voices on the quarterback position. I do want to ask you about somebody that you had a chance to to coach against. I know somebody that you had on campus as well. You've known for for a long time. And that's trevor lawrence going to be the first pick here to the jacksonville jaguars. But what was your first exposure to him. And what was your takeaway. Well i mean first of all. He's bigger than you state Es faster than you think he is. Okay a high school coach. Well he was well coached and trained in highschool but the things that his high school coach said about him as a person as a teammate. I think he's displayed it. Clemson did he's great teammate. Which is extremely important. Probably the greatest compliment athlete can get this being a great teammate. And i shall i do. Thank you humble hardworking You know where. He is and his progression as a quarterback. I would know as much about but he does possess the skill level and really again going back to have great respect for his high school coach and remember everything he said about. Trevor makes you realize that these guys the intangibles as well is great to hear you talk about that one more perspective on trevor. It being on the opposite sideline when faced trevor lawrence. What are you feel like facing a guy like that was the challenge when you face someone who's as talented and anemic as well. I mean we didn't really have an answer to be honest with you. The challenges are is that he is big enough and he can be pure in pocket he can do what the guys i've coached before can do. And then he can create so like we played against a man jail in his last game at texas am go to harm We all know the mobility was incredible. But you knew he wasn't going to just stay in the pocket and throw it the way. Trevor can throw trevor control outrivalled song time he can throw digs on time. You know and that that's really to me. What you've got to see is an any certainly the body type. You know to do that. And i think that's the uniqueness through we didn't have an answer i mean if you just try to keep them into pocket rush high. He's going to be successful in their You can't even not rush him and try to jump in bat balls because he's a good side of this guy so we struggled again. Best thing you can do is limit the number of schnaps they get. I thought the stuff about on time. was impressive buck. As much as you know bigger and faster more athletic all that stuff then you may be think when you watch them on tape too when you see them in person i think the fact that he can throw routes on time. I think that point by coach cut cliff was a big one. Yeah that definitely was big one I think the bigger thing was coach cliff pointing out that he just sent. Trevor lawrence was a great teammate So much of what. We talk about the quarterback position has to do with the physical ability but it's a leadership position in being able to connect all types of players from different parts in different backgrounds and all those things Support them into get all of those guys moving in the right direction for an opposing coast to be able to see that in identified that in trouble lawrence. It just tells you how special trouble ours is. I think it's interesting when just a connecting the dots and coach cliff having coach peyton manning You think about trevor lawrence wearing that number is davos. Told us because of peyton manning at tennessee So to me. I just think it's it's interesting when you see this kind of path that he's on and there are. He does have a little bit of peyton manning to his game obviously is different athlete but there is There is some similarities. There it's fascinating when you when you get a chance to connect all these dots Another coach there in the acc that we have a great relationship with one of my coaches from from app. State is is a scott satterfield. Who's done a really nice job. There with louisville football program We had a chance to visit with him and ask him his thoughts on trevor lawrence. I don't think you saw them this year. I don't think he played clemson this year. But i know you saw in. Nineteen just just playing playing against In coaching against trevor lawrence and then also seen him. I'm sure you saw tun across over tape this year. This your take on him as a former quarterback yourself well you know. He's he's really unbelievable. I i try to find a weakness on him. And i don't know what it is i'd be interested in here. You're taking what weakness you may think he has because he's six six. He runs like a six foot tremendous arm. He's he's very accurate. You know but. But i think the one thing that i love more about him than anything else is just his demeanor in his approach to the game. I think that sets him apart from from everybody else. You know when you have that i mean. He's he's more in line of of the peyton manning. The tom brady drew brees. He's got that about and so those kinds obviously hall of fame type layers so he has the talent. He's got the skill set more so than you know tom. Brady's tall but he can't run. Drew is shore. You know we've got a great arm you know. So he's got kind of all those intangibles loss the things that you want the leadership the humbleness that has you know the team first mentality. people want to play for him and get everything half or he's gonna make everybody around him better you know so he. He's a he's a. He's a unicorn. I'm up and i think the thing you do is kind of nitpick like when you play those games. Lsu high state. Maybe win the pressure in the late. Change in coverage they trick them a little bit but he is so good. I think coach for you. I think is always fascinating to get a coach's perspective when you're on the other side lines and your team is playing against a duke. A franchise quarterback. What does that feel. Like when you're facing and does it change how you approach it from office defense. Like what is it like facing a topnotch quarterback on the well. Yeah yeah it's very challenging. Obviously now we played them two years ago and we had pigs so he had zone interception while we ended up picking them all. He threw into covers a little bit. You know trying to force the ball sometimes. Quarterbacks do that but i think you really just trying to contain them. I mean really. You know you know. He's going to be able to make those plates. The thing about clemson to is that you had some other players. That are really good. You know some of the running back. So i'm really really just can't try to focus. Oh stop him so on. That's where it makes it really challenging. I think but. I think you just want to try to keep everything in front. Y'all wanna give up those big plays on that he's obviously capable of doing try. Try to make him get impatient. I think so you know. Just give him the underneath throws and if you'll take them all day you know some quarterbacks won't you know they they want to get to throw that ball downfield and get a little bit hungry and eager to throw the ball down field. That's where you get in trouble. But if he's has that patients then it's gonna be hard to beat him you know because they ask somebody greg. Weapons around the. It's very difficult. I think when you're facing somebody that caliber town. Why did you know coach. I prefer it for the teams. Just give me the underneath stuff. I didn't really want to take those layups all day. Long a prophet if somebody wants to get back again book leadership humility. Some of those things that come up that you would think is an opposing coach. You wouldn't really pay attention to more the skill set stuff but man it just comes out. Everybody we talk to. It comes out so is obvious. Dj that Trevor lawrence displays something on the field. That other coaches can kinda sense. Sometimes we talk about the fact factor in the swagger. But when i get that i get in trouble lawrence there's this self assuredness disquiet confidence that you can just pick up. That he kind of has this. I got it. Don't worry about a team. I got it. And i think opposing coaches recognize. That and i appreciate that no doubt. We've got a chance to visit with coaches and family members Player guys that have coached against him. Trainers you name it buck. We've talked to just about every we haven't talked to is a teammate. And we couldn't get through this episode without getting a glimpse of trevor lawrence as a teammate. And we did that. Fortunately you're able to catch up with arguably the best running back in this year's draft. Class his teammate travis. So in thinking about clubs in your program you guys have been so successful and so there's naturally a lot of attention on the players. They one of the players has been. Trevor lars what is it like to play with trevor lawrence what did you like in the huddle trump. He just cool calm collected. I mean he buses beam. But when you do everyone stops listen and appalachian trail the skies little for him man. I mean it was really a great experience. Humbly spatial Play with the number one. Cornerback number where pig eventually. So at me under celebrate grateful that i got to play with him and me nan. Though the those take for granted but looking back on your the specimen was you know you guys were special. You guys accomplished a lot and it's funny because both you guys were very very young players won the national title Did i ever seemed like it was overwhelming for you or for trevor. Like to step in that step on that big stage and really lead the no sir not. Ill never overwhelming. We have like that goes credits at our culture Ju just a group of god that we had around us each for trump to step in lead because everyone so about their business and we all have one goal so it was easy for him to step in there and and just do while bach. I think we're kind of painted the picture here. This is a. There's a humble confidence to trevor. Lawrence is good as he. Is there still more for him ahead. I think travis eat the good job kind of paint that picture. Yeah he talked about it not be into big for him. And i think we all have been around players where we'd like to see him impressive moments and how they respond and for a young player freshman player to play on a big stage and not to become overwhelmed by the task at hand Once again it just kinda further confirms A lot of beliefs from sc ousted. This guy is qb one. He is the guy he should be celebrated as one of the best that we've seen. Come through the pipeline. And i think everything that we've heard from those that know him will from his family members to his coaches to opposing coaches says. Trevor is that dude. And i think if you're a team that is looking for a quarterback a franchise quarterback houston at the top of the board. When you just listen to the background all of those things make you really want to check off all the boxes and it just got to lead you to believe that this guy is going to have tremendous success when he gets to the next level that he is going to be able to all the things that are put on him as a franchise quarterback and that if given the time and given the support that are some point he is going to help his team win and win big. Yeah we we think about him and context of kind of the draft grades. If given out andrew luck his only quarterback. I've given a higher grade to going back to three and for context. I would say. I had just a little bit higher grade on myles garrett so miles gird musician we say probably the best player his position the nfl. I have a little bit lower grade on trevor lawrence than myles garrett. But he's in that conversation which is a pretty select group is easy to put big raise on players that not only were you see the talent on film but when you dig into the background. It appears that they are very very committed to be the best that they can be. And i think with trevor all signs point to this guy be an outstanding pro player. Now sometimes we can never guarantee that it's going to work out like that but you get the sense that he is going to do everything within his power to make sure that he performs at a high level and that he's worn to bring his teammates with them. I'm willing to bank on a guy like that. I'm willing to grow the diced at a guy like that figures it out. Yeah when you get a elite traits and elite intangibles. That's when you get conviction on players you know that's when you feel confident and comfortable pushing your chips in. And he has that so he's got everything you want from skillset standpoint and then you add all the off the field stuff that checks out so Yeah to me. He's pretty easy evaluation. And i think it's like that for most of the league And i'm excited. I cannot wait to see him get on. Nfl field and see what he can do. You know you'll have tremendous success. It may not happen immediately But i think when supported in the right environment this guy is going to be a star at the next level. Everything that he's done to this point suggests that he'll be a superstar can imagine a changing right now. No i'm with you. I hope you guys have enjoyed this. It's been great to do a deep dive on trevor lawrence for this. Move the sticks. Three sixty episode. We've got a couple more you can check out They're coming so they're on the way the lookout for those as we As we celebrate some of the best players and this year's draft class this has been the move the sticks three sixty episode trevor lawrence. 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