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Episode 147: Contained (ad-free)

"It was a moment. I will never forget we had just rounded the curve in London's Trinity Square Gardens and there it was a massive stretch of. Roman. Wall in the middle of a modern city. Every single brick seem to have been highlighted by centuries of erosion and exposure, but it still stands tall bringing history into the presence. Of course the more knowledgeable would be quick to point out that only the first four meters of the wall are original, the top sixty percent or so while still ancient only date back to medieval times. Beyond. The numbers is a larger message long ago this wall contained city and now. While that city has swallowed it whole. And I think that's the thing that jumped out at me the most when I saw it not it's age or its ancient design but its place in our world today walls are meant to create boundaries to hedge people in and even to defend against out side forces. It felt odd to see this fragment of a wall surrounded by gleaming modern office buildings instead of wrapping it all up in a protective embrace. Maybe that's because the walls of history often seen larger than life. The Great Wall of China for instance is visible from space. The walls of Troy are some of the oldest in the world while the ruins of Hadrian's wall still cut across the countryside between England and Scotland, and then of course, there's the Western Wall of the temple in the Old City of Jerusalem and the Berlin, Wall, of the Cold War era. Walls might protect or divide or even just serve as a reminder. But at the end of the day, they're a simple design meant to do one thing. To contain us. The trouble is whenever you bring people into the picture you get more than you bargained for because humans have an almost supernatural ability to leave a trail of pain and suffering behind them. Yes walls can hold cities or kingdoms or objects we want to protect. But they can also old something darker. The shadows. Of the past. I'm Aaron McKie. and. This. Is Lor. I hadn't intended to visit that wall. It's situated just to the north of the one hundred which passes right by our real destination that day the Tower of London and talk about walls that place is rich with them. Of course, much like the Roman wall I mentioned a moment ago. The Tower of London is a product of many errors of building, but at its core is something significant. A Norman Castle. The normans were incredibly good at building stone forts. The core of the white in London is considered by many to be the best example of their work. There are more all around England. It was all part of their strategy after invading the country in ten, sixty, six, I, a wooden fort would go up as quickly as possible and a massive stone version would follow setting their dominance firmly in the pages of history. But the normans weren't content to stay in. A within a century of their arrival, they were looking elsewhere with hunger, and then in the second half of the century two things happened I, Pope Adrian the fourth who just happened to be the only English pope in history granted King Henry the second permission to invade Ireland to bring the disobedience church there back in line. A few years later, an Irish king arrived in England exiled from his throne and looking for help to retake it together with the popes wishlist. This was the perfect opportunity for King Henry to cross the water and extend his rule. So in eleven sixty nine, the first wave was sent. And it crashed over an unprepared emerald isle. Time Irish settlements were not much more than Ring Forts either rings of earthen mounds or a circle of low stone walls in the face of the militarily advanced Norman's they were practically defenseless. Some Irish warriors even reduced to throwing rocks at the invaders but soon, enough England was embedded and it would never go away. One settled the normans built their own forts on Irish soil. Just as they had an England century earlier, they started with castles of earth and would, but then soon replaced them with permanent stone structures. These Newcastle's looked exactly as you might imagine with the Central Tower or keep surrounded by curtain walls and wide ditches compared to what the Irish had been using these buildings were practically impenetrable. It wasn't all about military might and power though these castles served a number of practical purposes that don't often get mentioned. They were residential buildings for local rulers. Bay served as the Administrative Center for government over the surrounding people and sometimes even guarded artificial fishponds, stockpiles of provisions and other valuables. What role they played they were there towering over the small wooden structures of the Irish people and making a point each and every time someone glanced at them English power was right there inside those thick stone walls and no one was going to take it away from them. What no one could predict though was that uncontrollable forces would begin to chip away at those castles. The first wave happened in thirteen fifteen when the great European famine arrived. Thanks to extensive crop failures. This was a gut punch to both sides. Really the English felt their belts tighten everywhere including Ireland right when the Irish were rising up under the banner of Edward Bruce Brother of Scotland's Robert. The Bruce of braveheart fame the famine took the wind out of their sails Edward died in battle and thirteen eighteen and the English held on. Thirty years later, the plague arrived in Ireland roughly a third of the population there died as a result although it wasn't evenly spread across the island. It seems that because the Preferred to live in close quarters inside their castles and the small support communities around them. They were the hardest hit by the plague, the native Irish, though tended to live more spread out and that distance helped them fare better than their oppressors. And finally, the introduction of gunpowder changed the face of these Norman Castles. It seems that while those keeps and curtain walls were fantastic for repelling sword wielding warriors on foot, they were less resilient against cannonballs and so the English rulers in Ireland began to change their strategy leaving their imposing castles behind in favor of new smaller structures. No now as tower houses. In fourteen twenty, nine King Henry the sixth offer ten pounds up small fortune back then to anyone who built these small tower houses around Dublin. But don't imagine these as tiny buildings. No tower houses were just as impressive as the buildings they replaced just crafted with more of an eye toward residential living. In fact one of the best known castles in Ireland Blarney Castle with its legendary Blarney stone is a tower house. So are many others that still stand today it's estimated that during that phase of castle building upwards of thirty, thousand of them were constructed all across Ireland. They became homes. Yes. But they also became focal points for some of the worst of humanity and just like a piercing scream in nights some of those tragedies have echoed well beyond their original moment to explore them is to revisit some of their prior owners most painful moments. And if you're ready. I'd like to take you there. The transition made a lot of sense if those enormous Norman Towers were no longer defensible against new methods of warfare than why were the people inside them putting up with uncomfortable living conditions. The Tower House was the answer, a fortified home that offered comfort in space but no amount of renovating or expansion could eradicate the darkness inside the people who live there home is where the heart is. Yes. But it's also where people can be at their worst countless stories about those families make that perfectly clear. Take James Shaw for example, in Sixteen, twenty five, he oversaw the construction of a fortified home in county antrim known as Ballygawley Castle, but an Arrow when the success in health of family line was based upon whether or not. There was a male heir, there's was an unhappy home. After years of waiting for a son, Shah apparently became furious with his wife Lady Isabel and had her locked in one of the tower rooms. Legend says that she either took her own life by. The window or is thrown to her death. Either way. It was a tragic end to a horrifying situation. Today the castle is a hotel, but you can still see elements of the original fortified home at its core and those who stay. There have made some unusual reports. Visitors have heard mysterious noises and witnessed human-like shapes inside their rooms. Locals even claim that a green missed can be seen hovering over the castle at night whether it's real or not. It's clear that the history of the place isn't easy to get rid of. Richard Nugent the Lord Delvin was a man cut from the same cloth as James Shot. In fact, he spent his entire life scrambling for the top run of the latter no matter what sort of pain caused the people around him he sat in the Irish parliament and eventually rose to become commander in chief a good portion of the English forces there and finally in fifteen twenty seven at around the age of seventy he became Lord Deputy of Ireland. But he reached that position just as England's grip on. Ireland was at its weakest shortly after becoming Lord Deputy he was kidnapped by Irish rebels enforced to pay for his freedom after returning home he decided that it was time to build a safer residence and began construction on what would become Ross Castle in county meath before defied home was completed in fifteen thirty six about a year before his death. But. That doesn't mean it escape the family legacy. Nogent John's grandson was said to have inherited that ruthless ambition in order to keep the Irish from invading his lands. He was said to have gone on many rates throughout the region burning crops, homes, and killing without prejudice. He developed a reputation for having people hanged without reason and became a terrifying figure in his day. At. Home it was more of the same. According to legend his daughter Sabina fell in love with the son of a local Irish chieftain from the O'Reilly clan. They met while she was out on a ride along the edges of her father's land and the to hit it off instantly. For weeks they repeated their secret meeting and soon enough they were discussing marriage. But marriage to an Irishman wasn't something her father would ever agree to. So the young couple packed one night in Matt's along the shores of a lake. Plan was to row across leaving her father's land and authority behind and allowing them to build their own life someplace new. But as they crossed the dark waters, a fierce storm blew in and overturned the boat. Both of them washed back to shore but while Sabina survived her lover drowned sending her into a fit of grief and sorrow knowing, she would find no sympathy from her father. She locked herself inside one of the rooms in the castle's tower and refused to eat or drink for days. She may have starved herself. Yes. The true cause of her death according to the legend at least. Was Broken Heart. and. Then there's County Wexford. Centuries before Shah and nugent just a year after the English invaded Ireland in eleven sixty nine. In fact, one of those English Lords set about building a fortress for himself on a peninsula of land at the southeast corner of Ireland known as Hook head. It wasn't the last castle he would build in the region, but it was the one to inherit his name. He was Raymond Fitzgerald a Welsh commander and the great grandson of the last independent Prince of South Wales at his side were ten nights and seventy archers and together they ravaged the south of Ireland. But he was also a bit of a black sheep among the other commanders sent by the English crown and was known for being overly brutal. Some of his peers even claim that Raymond's true goal was to take Ireland for himself not the king although that's difficult to prove definitively. Regardless, his trail across the southern portion of Ireland earned Raymond the nickname redmond hinting at the blood he was so eager to spill but redmond like all of us was mortal and passed away sometime in the eleven ninety s over two centuries later in thirteen fifty that Norman Tower of his UNHOOK head was also torn down and a tower house was raised in its place a house they called Redmond Hall. As the generations flickered by lives were lived and lost in and around those walls, eventually the Redmond was dropped and it just became known as the hall to those who live there. It faced cannon fire in the Irish rebellion of sixteen, Forty one and the blood of over one hundred with spilled on that land around it. But surprisingly, those aren't the events that the hall is remembered for the most. Instead it's a series of events that began in the seventeen hundreds that put this fortified home on the map. At that point, the home had passed into the ownership of a different family and the name of the hall had fallen suit. But while names can change. Darkness tends to remain the same. And in Ireland it's hard to top the darkness. Of Loftus Hall. It was as the well-worn Introduction always states a dark and stormy. The year was seventeen, seventy five, and the Loftus family had holed themselves inside their ancient home to shelter against the hard rain and howling wind lanterns had been lit a fire burned on the hearth and the evening was destined to be a quiet one. Which is why the knock at their door was so surprising. Upon opening it, they found the drenched figure a young man standing hunched over as if the rain were pelting him to the ground quickly they invited him in and asked his business. It turns out that he was caught in the sudden storm and their house was the only light. He could see through the gloom. So he had pressed his horse to reach out as fast as it could. Knowing the storm might rage all night. The family invited him to stay until morning after changing clothes returning to his guests group was said to have had a lovely evening together even Charles the patriarch who had been known to be cold and unfriendly took a liking to the young visitor and together they enjoyed conversation and drinks. We don't know how long he stayed or whether or not. He turned that one overnight into a longer visit but we do know that Charles Daughter an fell in love with a young man. Her younger sister had already married and left the house and she was the last child left being unmarried at thirty wasn't hopeless by any means but in seventeen seventy five, it certainly might have felt like that. But here it was a lovely suitor someone she connected with and the pair seemed to have hit it off. When her father Charles found out about their budding romance though he sent the young man away some say he caught the couple in bed while others say it was just one of his general fits of anger either way the young man left an an was heartbroken. And once he was gone Charles sent her to her bedchamber. Unlock. The door. And that's according to the legend is where she stayed for the rest of her life although that death came within a year. It's a story that invites all sorts of questions, and as we all know, questions are a breeding ground for folklore and soon, enough new details flooded in to fill in the gaps details that take the story. To a whole other level. They say that one of the nights the guest was staying at Loftus Hall they decided to play a game of cards. And and the guest worked as a pair against her father, Charles and her stepmother. And the young man turned out to be unstoppable almost super naturally. So But at one point in the match and apparently dropped one of her rings and Bent Beneath Table to grab it when she noticed something about her guest's feet. They were cloven. Like the devil. And screamed and the young man panicked thunder suddenly shook the room and then in a cloud of smoke there guest vanished leaving only the scent of Brimstone as a reminder that he had been there at all. Shocked by what she discovered and went mad that her father was forced to lock her away. At least that was the new version of the story? But whether ants confinement and deaths were the result of seeing the devil in her own home or punishment for an illicit love affair with a guest, it's the aftermath that has echoed through loftus hall ever since because not long after Ann's death strange things began to happen all around the house and despite being Protestants the family became so desperate that they called on a local Catholic priest to come and perform an exorcism. They. Say that a man named Father Thomas broaders arrived and cleanse the house for the family. He moved from room to room over course of a few days. But when he was finished, the house was safe again. All. Except for one room that is. Try as he might bother, broaders wasn't able to complete his work in one room. And former bedroom. After that years went by that bedroom was redecorated with a number of large beautiful tapestries earning at the highly creative nickname of the tapestry room. It's still had a bed in it, but there were a number of other guestrooms in the house. So it went unused for the most part, but one evening in seventeen ninety, the family hosted so many visitors that the last one to arrive had no choice and they were assigned to the tapestry room. That guest a local man named John Reid happily settled in for a night of rest but moments after he'd blow out the candles and climb beneath the blankets something large and heavy jumped onto the bed at his feet. And it was growling. Read practically ejected himself from the bed fumbling through the dark found his luggage and pulled his pistol from within, and then he waved at around while shouting at the intruder threatening that he would use it. After receiving no reply though it said that read the intruder had entered and exited through the chimney. So he fired a shot straight up into the darkness. Amazingly John Reid would return to Loftus Hall years later sometime around Eighteen fifteen, he came back for another visit this time with his son George and seems that George wasn't told about his father's prior experience there because when he saw the beautiful tapestries in that room, he picked it as the room he would stay in without a word of warning from his father. That night rather than Falling Asleep George stayed up late reading. But at some point, his eye movement and he looked over to see the door to the room open all on its own, and then shut again just as quickly. Passing through it was the figure of a young woman in what he described as a stiff dress who walk past the foot of his bed opened one of the closet doors. And then step through. The following night George. Stay awake with a goal of seeing the young woman again. And sure enough at the same time had the night before the woman appeared silently entering the room before making her way toward the closet. Hoping to ask her who she was and why she was in his room George leapt from the bed and reached for her arm. But was shocked when his hand passed right through her. A moment later. She vanished. Over the years more and more people had unusual experiences in that room in eighteen, Fifty, eight, another minister named Charlesdale visited the House and claim that something invisible jumped onto his bed and growled that him. Is repeated similar claims but none were as chilling as the experience had by one of the servants a decade later. The current Lord of Loftus, Hall of the time John had inherited the title when he was just a boy but by his late teens, he was traveling with his valid Shannon and conducting business for the family in both Ireland and across the water in England and in eighteen sixty eight John. Returned Loftus Hall to visit his mother Lady Jane. It was apparently, Shannon's first time stain at the house. So he didn't know the risks involved in being assigned to the tapestry room. Later, that night though a series of screams woke the entire household who rush down to see what had happened in the process they found Shannon arriving in terror on the floor of a room down the hall from where he had been sleeping. When asked what had happened? Shannon. Told them that he had been fast asleep when a sound woke him up. He sat up to see the curtains around the bed moving as if someone were playing with them from the other side. And then without warning, they were torn wide open to reveal the figure of a woman. A woman he said. In an old stiff dress. We build walls for a lot of reasons most people use them to define a space to separate one room in their house from another. Some people use them for privacy or protection or a general sense of ownership and some throughout history have used walls to assert dominance over others. At, the end of the day though walls contain things whether those things are family memories or collections of real objects, the walls seem to wrap them up and hold them tight like a lovers embrace and that's a good and natural thing. But walls can do more than that. They can also contain shadows. The fortified houses of Ireland. Are Stark reminders of the dual nature of walls. Yes. They were built to keep people out and to protect those within. But in the end, thanks to the darker side of human nature, they also ended up holding onto something more and for many of the people who visit or live inside them today that something is still notable. Back in the eighteen sixties, John's mother Lady Jane had hopes that the contents of Loftus Hall might entice the queen to pay a visit lady Jane had become friends with Queen Victoria and even help title of Lady of the Bedchamber to Her Majesty. So sometime around eighteen, sixty, one, Jane told the Queen details of the legend of Loftus Hall hoping that she would want to come and see it all for herself. The plan failed though in Lady Jane. Moved on more drastic methods in eighteen seventy she had a large portion of the hall torn down and then built new more modern manner home around it everything was bigger and better and more beautiful than ever except for a few of the rooms which were preserved and reused. And that list included the tapestry room. It said that Lady Jane The bedchamber into a billiards room. It was a great idea really because it removes the room from the list of available spaces to sleep in new guests to Loftus Hall. What know what they were missing out on, and that was mostly a good thing. Except for George Reid who returned to see the house later in his life around the mid eighteen seventies. When he arrived, he was shocked that the tapestry room was no longer available as a place to stay. Maybe he hoped to see the ghostly young woman one last time or perhaps he simply wished for a familiar space inside the renovated mansion. So he asked around about the changes. One of the longtime housekeepers they're not knowingly at the question. Yes, she said. That was young. An you saw. But. Then she seemed to withdraw from the conversation. We shouldn't talk about her the housekeeper told him. She made a horrid noise last night knocking billiard balls about. One last thing. It said that something was discovered during the renovations of eighteen seventy. Something that hinted at a clue to the origins of the legend. It said that inside one of the walls of the tapestry room. Workers discovered bones. Didn't belong to an adult. It was the skeleton. Of. A baby. This episode of Law was written and produced by me Aaron Minke with research by Robin Miniature and Carl Nellis and music by Chad. Lawson. More. Is Much more than just a podcast. There's a book series available in bookstores and online and two seasons of the television show on Amazon prime video check them both out if you want more laws in your life. I also make to other podcasts, Aaron McKie's cabinet of curiosities and on obscured and I think you'd enjoy both. Each one explores other areas of our dark history ranging from bite sized episodes. The season long dives into a single topic and you learn more about both of those shows and everything else going on over in one central place grim and mild dot com. then. You can also follow the show on twitter facebook and instagram just searched for Lor, podcast all one word, and then click that follow button. Would you do? Say. Hi I like it when people say hi. And as always. Thanks for listening. Hunter wasn't her first husband. If we're honest that wasn't uncommon in the sixteen forty s but I mentioned it because it was the seed of a lot of rumours about her rumors that paint her in a terrifying light, and while they might have only been stories the true details of her life macos rumors a lot easier to fall for. Mary McMahon had been married just once before as far as historians can tell in sixteen, thirty, four, she married Daniel Nalen and a couple built a life together. But within five years, Daniel was dead leaving her with three young children to care for. Thankfully. Her next husband was a man of status conor O'Brien was from a long line of Irish rulers, high kings. In fact, marriage to him also met moving into the Family Tower House Liam Castle which had been built in the fourteen hundreds by sixteen forty though it was a little worse for wear. So the couple made some renovations which added to its size and scope. But life was more complicated than that. It seems the Conor O'Brien was a bit of a hothead who had no problem rating English settlements in the area in fact. Mary. Often rode alongside him participating in these missions in one document from sixteen forty two, we are told that Mary Ann Connor led a small band of fighters out on one such raid in February of that year brought home a wagon full of household goods fourteen pigs in over four hundred sheep. Mary it seems at a thirst for adventure, and if the stories were true that violence came home with her, it said that she would hang her servants by their necks or hair. If people trespassed on their land, she was rumored to murder them. When she wasn't killing people they said, she was happy to engage in a of torture. Of course, these were the same rumors that said that she had married and killed over twenty men. But truth isn't found in the ravens of the mob or the propaganda of the jealous. No truth is found in the historical record while it might not include nearly two dozen murdered. Husband's Mary's real story is more than terrifying. In Sixteen, Forty, one, a conflict arose in that became known as the eleven years war. It was part of a larger conflict, all throughout Ireland Scotland and England known as the wars of the three kingdoms. If you've ever heard names like the Irish rebellion of sixteen, Forty one or the first second and third English civil wars, these were all smaller pieces under the larger umbrella of the wars of the three kingdoms. Naturally. Everyone had to pick a side Mary's husband Connor. Eventually gave up his life of rating local English settlements and became a commissioned officer in the royalist army. But in sixteen fifty, one during a particularly bloody skirmish connor was badly wounded and in an effort to save him some of his men carried his body back to his home and to marry. It said that Mary looked out her window and saw them approaching and assumed connor was dead according to the legend. She leaned out the window and shouted at the approaching soldiers. We want know dead men here. But after a quick conversation, they informed her that her husband was still alive and in need of help. Sadly, conor O'Brian died in the castle a short while later. When he did Mary. Did something unusual. She put on one of our best dresses climbed into A. And made the perilous journey to the nearest parliamentary camp. The very same forces that had killed her husband, and if the legends are true, she did it for two reasons both of which require a bit of explanation. I she did it to make an offer being newly widowed. She was free to marry again and had decided that the first officer in the enemy camp to come forward with earned her hand in marriage. We don't know if anyone's step forward that day, but we do know that a short while later she was recorded as being married to a parliamentarian officer named John Cooper I think it's safe to assume he was the one who took her up on that offer. But why do this? Most historians think that Mary saw the writing on the wall at least for the moment the parliamentarians were the horse to bet on and Mary had an estates and children to look after marrying into the conquering side was away of buying a bit of Insurance Against Tumultuous Times. But there's a second reason for her visit to the enemy camp that day I gave her a chance to ask around and identify the man who fired the shot that killed her husband. And Mary wasn't the sort of woman who let go of a grudge or to let anyone else do the dirty work when it mattered. It said that a short while later Mary herself hunted down the man responsible. I can picture her writing through the night on a black horse gun and sword hanging at her side and creeping into the parliamentarian camp to abductor target. It said that she then hanged the man to death. Putting an end to request for vengeance and allowing her life to move on. Today she's known as Red Mary maybe because of the color of her hair or perhaps do all the blood she was rumored to have spilled. Either way managed leave a mark on the past and found a way to stick around. All these centuries later. History like life isn't always neat and tidy. There are a lot of things. We don't know about Mary McMahon or whether or not the rumors about her were entirely true. But we do know that she was fierce powerful and more than a little bloody. And if history has taught us anything. It's darkness like that. That can never be contained.

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"Welcome to behind the lore your behind the scenes tour of the research that it takes to make each episode of Law podcast. I'm Carl. Nellis, and for this episode I'm joined by my teammate Robin. Miniter, we split the research behind the most recent episode of Lor Episode One forty seven contained. Robin I talk about what it was like to share the work of researching an episode, the challenge of picking out just the right Irish castles from among the rest, and we spend a little time mulling over the sources we love the most your support keeps us going and we're glad you're here to enjoy a backstage pass. So please join us for this episode of behind the law. Hey ravin were behind the lower We're we're headed for Ireland this time. Carl. Good to be here. Yeah. So There are so many reasons that I'm excited to have this conversation In part because this was a little bit of an unusual research process where this is a research outline that both of us worked on a lot of times when we're making lower. The research gets to one person and they do it in the hand back to Aaron. And then he adds his own research on top and you know brings his his real storytelling flair to it. but this was a case where you started at. You did a lot of the initial finding, handed it to me, and then I did some building maybe too much building on what you handed me, and then had to go through a process of cutting back down. But. In. So as a really appreciated the process because you and I, have de you know everyone has a little bit of a different approach on our team to research to putting together an outline for an episode. So this one has a little bit of Robin, a little bit of Carl. And I really enjoyed that. Yeah I really enjoyed it too. Because when I kicked the can down to you as they say I, took a step away for a little while and came back and when I finally heard the episode, it was so cool to hear a little bit of my sensibilities a little bit of yours and of course, everything done in errands voice. So it really felt like a true collaboration and then of course, you know there are some surprises for me in there as well. So yeah, I really enjoyed it. So when you I got this topic. How did you start? Do you remember kind of what the first round of kind of searching looking for things was on your side I do and can I be honest with you? I was a little bit daunted actually. So when I was handed the topic of Irish Castles, I was like holy smokes where do we even begin because you know there is a long and storied history here in this in this land lots of. Political contests and conflict an invasion and I wasn't quite shirt. I how to go about. Attacking that I'll do I go by region go by geography. Do I go by time period do I follow my nose and sort of start where my ancestors came from and? What I thought, I needed to do it. I was just. Get on the Google and give a cursory glance at the things that people were talking about and have been talking about. So of course, some of the more More recent stories perhaps that we're finding in different kinds of. Message Boards, for example, some maybe things that are appearing on read it. But then again, if you go back even further different kinds of documentation of these stories. So one of my favorite sources that I was able to find was a really cool old archival short television clip from the Irish national news service called rt and I believe this came out in the nineteen seventies and there are actually a few of these different documentary style clips available online that had broadcast back. Then about this one, very specific castle and this one very specific. So to me, that was a story that had stood the test of time that is a story that we are still talking about that family still talking about and Yes, I'm just curious about I was curious about the ways in which things were being documented and the longevity of these stories, and then of course, how could ground those in the historical truths and fax and yeah? Yeah, well, and so for me if I get. Assigned a lor episode. I kind of know how I start. You know how I got rid get running with a topic but this one was fun where I got it from you and you had already done a lot of work especially in the in the like you said in the going out finding, you know where's the folklore? Where's that worst the current interest where the stories from the past and kind of sorting like you said there. So there's a huge volume. There's an ocean and it was kind of like, where are we gonNA paddle around in it and you had already sorted it down to something like six or eight different castles we could look at. Some of which Aaron does a great job telling you know covering in the episode, some of which get cut and we can talk about a couple of those in this conversation But it was you know on one level it was really nice. To have, you already have done that you know kind of kind of scouting and sorting and selecting you know what's really going to be a story. That feels like it has a lower flavor because even when we were when we were doing the research, there's something like of the tower houses alone you know in Aaron distinguishes between kind of the Norman Conquest Castles and tower houses. There's something like thirty thousand of them. Reading, it's just too much totally yes. I saw those numbers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So For myself even it was fun to get a document from you. That was like, let's pick from these eight. And that, let me really pick some of these families and drill down into their genealogical records and finding digitize versions of documents from the seventeen hundreds eighteen hundreds looking at old published books, and you know I was looking at coats of arms and some of these families. Who have these castles? They're wealthy they're they're Irish. Noble families and so they have whole published books that are you know just the genealogies and there's half a page or a page on each person in a it gave me time in my research process. To really get down to that granular level I try to find connections and sort out. Histories and details and dates behind something that comes to us like a legend or read it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Tell totally in that in some ways, it was a little bit of a luxury must have felt a little bit of luxury in that I'm just having that time and space for a little bit of breathing room in exactly that getting down to that granular structure and getting. So really really to really dig in and I love I love that you got your hands on these old digitized documents and I know that's something that you love as well. It really is and I. I Love Irish history and and I've you know there there are some Irish lines in my family too and so I grew up talking about our family history in my family. But I've also you know studied it you know in college and I did a couple of different literature and history classes focused on. Ireland. So I really got to. Indulge some of that personal interest especially when we're talking about that early castle building period of. The Norman invasion you know from England and eleven sixty nine. When those? Nobles from the Welsh March who were so powerful and they had been. And families that had invaded England and then Wales and they had kind of been battle-hardened because there was still conflict between. The Welsh kings and the English kings and they were that board or culture. You know on the March between England and Wales that Borderland call the March So they're known even you know as Welsh marchers and it was those battle-hardened families who had. Almost. Like a family habit of. Kind of imperial conquest and Fortress Building. and. Those were the people who went over to Ireland and so these early Irish castles that are built in this kind of massive conquest style. They were drawing on you know a hundred years of constant conflict between the English and the Welsh and it was it was what had developed their culturally and architecturally that you know informed the early Irish Castle and I could talk about that stuff for a couple of hours I have some history friends that when I was researching this episode. I. Got in touch with him and I told them. I. Was doing it and then we talked for a few hours about you know about. Early, Irish, castle architecture because we're nerds but it's You know it's awesome to me who loves history and loves getting into these details And I like seeing that kind of line you know where we know about England conquering Ireland. But maybe what we don't know is that the people who were pushed to conquer. Ireland. For the English king where people that he felt threatened by because they were these powerful border lords that didn't seem quite you know Al you know allied or subservient to the English crown in the way that he wanted them to be. So it was very convenient for him to say. Oh take your armies to Ireland. That way they don't threaten me. getting to see that kind of historical through line. And spent some time with it is yeah a delight the delight for me. Carl was here in the same room right now. So I could see your face. Your smiling. So big over there. Youths through. It's true. Yes. But I WANNA I wanna go to that castle that you mentioned. The video documentary of Oh Huntington Castle. Yes. Yes. Because that's probably the castle the that you and I did the most work on that then didn't make the cut for the episode and it story it's long history and then it's it's recent history to is so fascinating. So like when you found those rt documentaries from the nineteen seventies. Like what did they? What did they spark for you? For me, you know what I really loved about. It is in the grand scheme of things in the in the telling the history that you just summed up for us. This castles actually fairly young I was built in about sixteen twenty, five So it's a little bit of a Newbie on the block dozens things go what I did learn. What I thought was really interesting about it is that it had been in the fan. It's been in the family the castles changed names twice, and this was surprising to me, and maybe this is something that you already knew and hadn't your back pocket. But the inheritance line of this castle goes down the female line, the matriarchal line So that was surprising and exciting to me Because as we go as we've talked about a little bit previously in the stories that we will further unpacked today, you do see a lot of issues with overbearing patriarchs and a lot of misogyny. These things and to see that this castle is family has been headed by strong women is was really really exciting to me. Yet about back to the to the video the woman who's featured most prominently in that was won by the name of Olivia Durden Robinson there she lived with her brother David and they inhabited the space for most of the nineteen hundreds and to me I you have this incredibly compelling backdrop this old with a call plantation style castle, and on these beautiful grounds, lots of gardens and she was a self proclaimed sear mystic and she actually went to the College of Psychic. Studies in London and not only did she do that but she also created built a polytheistic temple dedicated to the goddess Isis and an ground wellspring. So this castle has been forever fed. From this well, it's never run. and that definitely to the sort of mystical quality in the Lore of this place. So I loved the framing of that story I love that that is. What they chose to really really focus on and I also love that. We were able to hear from this woman and her brother themselves. I'm in a lot of these stories that you and I were researching. The, folks are long gone. The historical record is incredibly hard to find. But here we have these folks who were in this castle they were celebrating. The space, their ancestry, the inhabitants that they believed to be there multiple gods like it was just as really dynamic mystical environment, and so for me, that was really really captivating and of course. On the grounds of this castle. Rumored rumor has it that you can see or people have seen minute men and women in long close just sort of moving quietly across the ground there's thoughts that perhaps they could be the spirits of Irish druids You know folks that we believed to have magical powers your knowledge of the natural world That's one thought there also had been a sighting by David the brother himself news about six thirty he's about seventeen that was inside the house he had woken up from a nap and he found some figures just standing over him he know just kind of watching. Probably, not my favorite way to see goes I've ever had to see one. Main least. Favorite. But yeah. But I I think there's something about this place. That, felt so much more reverent than than the tones of a lot of these other stories on the grounds of this castle. You can still go you can they have a arts and? Culture Music Festival that they do I believe every now and again. Over there they call it a we woodstock. But you can also go and have tea and you can also go and tore the grounds and the house is still owned by the same family. So it's not celebrated for its dark ghoulish in bloody history, but it celebrated rather for the ancestral embrace of the unknown and of this world. So I really really liked that about this I love that you. The part of what you just said that really connected with me and and what I loved about this castle are are the that wellspring and the idea of these different Gods and and and the Reverend's in this place where. From the architectural history of the place. You know before it was before a castle was built there it was a garrison. A much smaller garrison. You know where troops were living, but the those troops were stationed in what before that was a Franciscan Abbey. So it was a holy place in a place of reverence and study. even. After Christianity came to Ireland. and. There's that idea like you said before that maybe it was holy site for druids and it's interesting. To me, you know that Olivia kind of made it like a post. Christian, Holy Site to with us right is is and so much of it is about that well, that that well, that is eternally bubbling up from the earth and So I also, kind of felt that attraction kind of the allure of these these layers of religious history in the place. Yeah Definitely. So. It's still like you said, it's still family and you can go What kind of space is it? Primarily, do you think that now it's kind of like a a leisure space or is it a religious space? How do you kind of think about is it? Is it more commercial or is it more devotional or you know I'm kind of trying to think about. It. Just all of these things at once share you know it is primarily residential. You know we can't forget. That people are living here on the daily eating sleeping all the things. And you know I imagine there is a devotional element to it perhaps because that shrine is still there. If you want to go visit on, you can go down and see the work that Olivia put into it. But I think at this point, it strikes me that it is probably functioning mostly as a tourist attraction in the sense that you can go and yes, you have. T-, but also functions as an event space. So a I suppose you'd go and rent it out and maybe have a small wedding You could probably stay there have your family come in and or maybe even have a quiet weekend getaway. So I think that Yeah. I think they like some other castles you'll probably you've probably come across here they are now sort of working. In the tourism sector in the hospitality industry, which is I think interesting and potentially depending on how you look at it might be a little bit fraud. Well. Yeah. Let's talk about that a little bit more because even as I was just saying all that stuff and thinking about like. Is it just all of those things but maybe some of those. Identities compete right like we think about it. Is Can a sacred space be a commercial space you know like is it crass to buy and sell, and this is true for so many like pilgrimage sites around the world right? Where one of the things you can do is buy a souvenir you know it's like is this crass commercialism or is this a real sign of devotion and does does pulling those pieces apart kind of matter and one of the things that we're talking about here even if we're not talking about a holy site but these other castles where Like you said, they're turned into a BNB. And you can go in stay Maybe they're not considered a holy site, but they're considered haunting site. And it's like the thing that you can go and see is a ghost. and. It's the it's the haunting of some kind of. Usually an ancient, wrong, right you know the unfinished business or the the violent death or something like that. That causes a haunting story to take hold. Becomes the way that. Someone coming to an AIRBNB as attracted to it. You know it's like the marketing for it becomes for for the BNB for the business side is haunting story and that opens a whole. A whole world of Ghosts as tourist attractions, right definitely. Definitely, and from what I understand from what I found my research Dark I guess we could him well I. Think there is a difference between Serve commercial ghosts and dark tourism but there's also a definite overlap. So from my research I was able to find that the sort of ghost tours him I. Guess we'll call it It did develop any European tradition of visiting haunted sites And you know I think for me I did a lot of hard thinking about this. It gets a little squeaky but I think it all boils down to how These experiences or tourists or stays are package the story that is being used to Lur. folks, insular dollars in. So you mentioned, right? That the things that cause these stories to take hold are often you know really intense stories of trauma Also, it's much easier to listen to stories about people who are haunting space who actually might not be all that much like you if you can other them in some sort of way. I think it's easier. To look at this thing like a product and digested as the sort of quote unquote exotic experience and at least for us, you know we are here living on the east coast The United. States you know to hear about these stories about Medieval Knights and Damsels, and you know people in castles like. That is so far out of my daily understanding of living that. That's kind of interesting but you could also say the same thing for let's say different Haunted port cities haunted industrial cities who have stories that you might you maybe you've been on some of these tours, you go down to, let's say the old like meatpacking district or waterfront, and you hear stories about sailors who might be. Coming off the ship and getting into bar fights or you're hearing about folks who are considered can. Committed to mental asylums or you're hearing about prostitutes were being murdered if you were able to other these people. I. Think. that a makes these things safe and attractive but also I think that's really really problematic. In the telling and selling. of these things yeah. Yeah. Well and Let's circle back around to what you mentioned earlier because. Even in the stories that we tell in this episode, and this is an issue with a lot of folklore storytelling, right? It's like we're keeping these stories alive. because we connect to them in some way but even you know even with with our show where we're telling the stories of. Like in this episode. You mentioned you know powerful Lords or patriarchs the way that they abused their daughters or their wives. And What are we hoping that story means to someone today share and I think there's a responsibility on the storytellers part. To think about. What the story means to them, and it's almost like is this story retold in an attitude of celebration of preservation of contemplation and you know the storyteller is always inviting The audience into a certain kind of emotional engagement with the story and so I think there's a responsibility to think about the impact of a story of the stories that we tell and that's true for you know we're a lot about who's gonNA listen to this and why does it matter to our lives today in the present why and how does this story matter and and what's the context that came from, and that's what we talk about with law right all the time we're we're thinking about context and. And a Lotta Times in an episode Aaron will say, this is what I really love about a story. You know or this is the person that I respect or this is my takeaway and I'm really glad that he does that because we don't want to not tell an important story even if it's deeply troubling but I think it's then eras responsibility when he tells the troubling story to say something about why retelling. or what it is that's worth even if there's a difficult story finding within it to carry on into our lives with Storytelling. On one level it's like, Hey, we all we all tell stories in. It's pretty normal unnatural but. I you know I love the history of storytelling to and about the complexities, and I see so much of that coming to bear you even in the the these gender politics where these powerful men are abusing women in their lives and. I hope we're troubled by it. You know like I hope we don't just. Walk Away with a celebratory mood or or being entertained by that kind of thing share. Yeah. I think it becomes a problem when you don't have that reflection and the context you dislocate a story. From the context from which it comes I think that take away his loss the why does this matter What does this mean and you know why did this happen Yeah. But you're right. You know this that was one thing that I did find a lot in these stories that. You know no pun intended but like haunted me. As I was reading through this research were was the amount of You Know Dad's locking their daughters. Up In towers and throwing them downstairs and all sorts of other things like that Yeah. That was deeply troubling to me jeff not surprising right and and the story that kind of is the centerpiece of the episode at Loftus. Hall is that kind of story? Yes it is But. One of the smaller stories that are told it's too the at Ross Castle with Lord Delvin That was one where I really dug into the family history because just on the surface I didn't get the significance of it. but the more I research. WHO This guy was supposed to be. Really saw a picture of enormous. Power the Lord Delvin over a few generations became. For a little while some of the most powerful lords in Ireland So it's like the power of the English crown. Vested in this family and for one of them in particular. what he did with that power was go out and burn the countryside. Slaughter is neighbors twist the local laws. To his own will. On under the force of the of the British crown and so there's these patterns of of abuse. Violence. conquest, kind of conquest mindset. That's like. If we dig into the historical detail, we can see it on the macro in the way that they were executing. Well. There will under the name of the English crown has conquerors, and then you see it in the domestic scale kind of on the small scale reflected in the relationships of their family members, and that kept coming I kept seeing these parallels between the conquest of Ireland and and the other thing people there where the powerful lords were treating their neighbors. as less than human, and there's plenty of reading to do about that. There's a great book called invention of race in the European Middle Ages by Geraldine. And there's a there's a great section on the way that English colonial administrators in the Middle Ages including some of these Welsh Marcher Lords thought about Irish people that really humanizes them and it was fascinating because I hadn't thought about that kind of that side of it. And it's the same kind of. That we see these. Powerful patriots. Practicing kind of politically and then also practicing in their families Carl glad you brought that up Yeah. Absolutely I. Mean we are. oftentimes I think the products of our environment and if they are coming. From these environments that are asking them to be And rewarding them from being domineering. you know, of course, it would make sense at that gets baked into their their every day way of life, and especially in the domestic sphere, which often renders women. Children families at large very, very vulnerable. The fact that you've been said rewarding there just is. It's so right that kind of behavior was rewarded. In the in castles in particular because. So many of them were built on land grants from you know technically from the king, where if if a soldier was leading an army and they cleared land and they claimed it for the king, then the king would literally reward them by saying Okay you've done a great job committing genocide or mass murderer. So you can have this land and you can build a castle on it and you can rule it in my name and it literally is that incentive for that kind of attitude. Yeah for that brutality absolutely and then. An and The way that it's not just left behind, but it's like literally cherished and held onto and carried forward in the future. There's a detail when we were researching office hall. this to me, which is that for a long time and there was a historian in the late eighteen hundreds who wrote about visiting the hall and seeing a Giant Sword. From the Norman Conquest over the mantelpiece. and. It was kind of like the families showpiece You know it was one of the things that they treasured was this symbol of. Colonial violence from like seven hundred years earlier six hundred years earlier where it literally was the pride of the family like that. The the violence of conquest was the families. You know central to their identity totally and that was really powerful to see you know what we need to read about. In relation to the story of. One of the men in the family who lived in that castle or you know the Tower House that was Redmond Hall in Loftus. Hall. who was so domineering over his daughter and locked her in the tapestry room. The creates some of the most dramatic haunting that we tell in this episode but to see that core to that family's identity. Were symbols of Colonie of of Conquest was really striking and that little detail with the sword didn't make the episode but so many thousands of details that didn't I was I was okay with that. But that's one of the things that stuck with me. It was the way that the family was still you know showing off. Symbols of conquest after six hundred years like it was so deep in their identity. Yeah. That's right. And whenever you have material history man I love that. Did you did you? Re able to find pictures of the store. Did you take a look at it? Yeah. Illustrations of it. Yeah. But does this thing look like and how how big are we talking? Very big and you know there were claims about it because it's a very big sword. There are claims about it being you know of this was the sword of Raymond Le Gros who was one of the commanders of the Norman Invasion in eleven sixty nine, you know so like some of that family with thirty attached that soared to you know the leaders of the conquest and stuff you know it's a massive weather. Yeah I can't. I'm just trying to imagine wielding that around and I feel like I need to do my do a few more bench curls the farmer. Well. Oh. So would I I mean? That's part of what makes it impressive and what makes all those kinds of legends attached to it. Right share. Yeah exactly. It's fearsome and that's not the only artifact. That we still have that's been left around and connection to us hall. Absolutely e mentioned that there's one more. Yeah. Well, and Aaron Courses. So briefly in the episode, but you know after the visitor comes. You know we're the family. Let's let's the visitor into stay and the daughter falls in love with them and there are a couple different versions of the legend one where a young man who gets kicked out the other where when they're playing cards the daughter looks under the table sees the cloven hoof on the end of his leg and they realize it's the devil. And then he vanishes up in a puff of smoke through the roof. Aaron mentioned in the episode that this family then calls in an exorcist because. You. Know an enormous amount of. Spiritual. Activity started happening and suffering and oppression, and that kind of thing. I found that fascinating when I was doing research because I realized this was a Protestant family, very powerful Protestant family. And So I thought. Oh it's interesting that they would call in. A Roman Catholic. Parish priest to come into the exorcism. And, I thought Oh. You know that's kind of a fun part of the. Legend. But then that for me like you said, got absolutely grounded in material history because I found a news article from two thousand and eleven saying. The Chalice of that extras. The Cup that was used when he went to cleanse loftus hall had been stolen from the local parish in it had been kept in the safe of that church. Ever since you know the eighteen hundreds. and. Eventually it was found and restored and put back in the safe but they're still holding onto the Exorcists Cup in the local church that was used to cleanse Loftus Hall and like that gave me chills. Like? Amazing. I wonder if it's been I, wonder if some been put into use since I'd love to find that out. Right even if it's just been put into use in, you know in in the church services but yeah, has it been put into use XS instrument of exorcism yeah that I don't know. Yeah. That'll be that'll be the next thing we looked up. Making a note here right. was there anything else about the story of Loftus Hall which is the biggest of the longest one kind of the centerpiece of the episode as Aaron tells it. was there anything else about the story that kind of stuck with you? I think to me in terms of the storytelling of it. One of the reasons why did like it so much as it's so cinematic I, mean. If you just listened to the ingredients of this story, you have thunder and lightning and a mysterious visitor you have fire in, you have the smell of brimstone. The you have an illicit romance you have this like loan like this lonely dark house on the hill It's sort of had all of the makings of any other kind of Gothic story that you might read a kind of to me at read a little bit like mad libs but it was really satisfying in that way and so when you found the note about the chalice that had been used to me that sort of sealed the deal on it I was a little bit remiss. I will also like to know more about this and I think you found this detail this detail about In when they were doing excavations, Abe Levy said the eighteen seventies that they did find a body there but they didn't think it was an spotty. They thought it was the body of a baby. and to me that was like. You know because, of course the. The implication is you know we could have been you know there somebody else in this house was another child who died? Or was this and child. and. Probably the devil. You know may not have been the father of this child and if it wasn't the devil, then you know who was it and so to me that goes back to Just the how fraught and traumatic family relationships possibly can be and things that go on to the domestic sphere so that suddenly even though it started to read like a rocking Gothic story, it had a very real are had very real implications when that detail came to light. So that was really who. Yeah and that. The. Possible implications of. A finding that babies remains in the wall of the tapestry room were an was trapped. Like. The darkest right like the heaviest. Detail, about this story. And because it It does go into that very DR territory. is part of why I was glad that we ended with the story of Red Mary. Yes. Mary McMahon. Yeah. Because it flips the script on some of what we've been talking about. It Yeah it definitely does. So the interesting thing about Mary Mary McMahon or read Mary as that the story of her and how she would. He know she perhaps killed twenty husbands and hung them out her windows and you know was bloodthirsty That's very interesting that we do have that history that has stuck around and folklore. But. Her life was also I mean, this woman was off like your life itself. As we know through primary source documents you know is just as riveting in some ways and it's curious to me about how certain stories stick and our collective imaginations, and sometimes how the truth which is also really really colorful some of those details get. Kicked to the side. But what I loved about her as you know, she was had a you husbands. Died, she was the head of her family and she made some very very strategic political moves to ensure the livelihood and the wellbeing of her descendants. was great me through it will under a couple of ways to spin it to and Aaron kind of took it one way and I was kind of thinking about it another when I was putting the research together and I was really digging into the story I loved finding that so many of the sources. About her life were published by local folklorist. I had found his articles published in folklore journals but then they were collected and you can find them on the county Clare. library website I just love seeing you know a good local library account the library. That's a great website that they have a great archive. Yes. Yes. Working with local historians to to collect and then to make accessible local stories local histories. Loved all of that. So Clare Library Dot e was awesome. This is our plug. Correct. Check out well, and I'm going turn leave a little different way and say. Check out what kinds of local folklore is collected at your local library. I loved I loved doing a full floor or histories. They're all yes. Yup. So With, with Mary McMahon who you know in in, Legend became red. Mary. She's you know we're still kind of talking about that colonial space of political contest. And political violence and conquest where her life is lived out in this castle where. It's a fortress it's an is the it's the home of her husband's noble family, but they're Irish nobles. And some of those remarkable stories about how tough she was that you know the historians have found in the documentary record about How she and her husband were going out and rating. And taking livestock and household valuables and things from. from. English noble houses. she then by the end of her story as Aaron tells it I mean this is all in the war episode. she ends up marrying into the conquering English army. and in some ways that's like. You know I it she's a traitor. Fighting on one side, and then she betrays that side. And ends up on the conquering English side. And You know there's there's obviously criticism to be had in there about being faithless. But I really thought that her decisions were smart and as I was thinking about the choices that she made. In the episode, Errand says that she Part of the reason she made that choice was that she had children to take care of Cherr-, and that's that's true but in my reading. Some of her children were adults. Like. She's an old enough woman at this point in her life that one of the things she was doing was. Earning pardons for her sons had fought alongside her the English. So it's It's not quite the kind of maternal. She had children to take care of who were infants or toddlers are eight or nine, but she's almost making a political choice that wins clemency for her clan. And saves like saves herself but also saves. Her family line who are already. Under. Threat of being put to the sword because of the fighting that they've done. So just the kind of political cunning, that's there I mean everyone's free to take it in whatever way they want criticize it, celebrate it but. You know, I. Kinda. Saw It in that light of this this warfare absolutely and I mean just. Talk about being faithless I think how you phrased it and I feel like at the end of the day though you know she was Gay just as Aaron Porno she was committed to her family when she was going out in pillaging for livestock and bringing home pigs I. Mean Dow was four their their land that was probably to feed their family and You know to do things with maybe they were selling who knows what they were doing with them So I think at the end of the day you know for her to go down. As the day after her husband had killed and said, you know I told her to marry me like let's go. You know she clearly was a decisive woman. You know she was a woman of Intelligence and wit and bravado and You know she was going to do what she wanted and Be Really bold about it. So I liked her liked to have met her. To kind of seeing that that ferocity in Charisma I. Totally Yoda hung out I, get a beer with her. But I can't help wondering if maybe it was resentment about. Hurt in the end choosing to side with a conquering English army that ends up giving her such a bad reputation you know one of the one of the legends around her life is that she was killed by. By locals you know by by her Irish neighbors and that she was like bound and put inside of a big hollow tree and left to starve right guests and she gets that kind of terrifying reputation for being almost like an inhuman monster like you said killing so many husbands and like hanging not just her husband's but like hanging to the servants off the corals of the castle and. You know I can't help wondering if it's Her. You know Kinda and she changed sides politically and that she made these pragmatic choices that means when that kind of gets translated into legend. She becomes monstrous. You know I can't help wondering if it was those colonial dynamics that really informed. The Legend of Red Mary that comes from it. Totally absolutely that trader status you know especially when you're in a place that is so committed to. Clans to community to national identity for her to flip and maybe with parents such apparent ease I'm sure that there are some betrayal felt in her community So no doubt you know it's easy to to edit Yeah, the stories of someone's life especially after they're gone to commit them down to paper, however to change to change those stories and It's always good. I think when we're looking at these things to, of course, or you know to look at who's writing them where they're coming from and what was going on at the time that they were written. So to your great credit card for doing all of that great background research that's you know and putting all those pieces together for for our listeners. A I really liked working together with you on this episode gets I mean I don't WanNa take anything away from from all the work that you did too so. I mean. Like you said earlier about material history, I loved telling stories telling history through castles because you have these. Things that were built in a particular time in place and so to explore their stories you get, it gets to take you right back to the kind of historical questions that you just mentioned. Especially when we're talking about, you know history being written by the victors and who's WHO's perspectives get set into the documentary record versus who's get into the archaeological record or. The architectural, record. Cher I love all that stuff. That's that's about all I have. So. Robin. Thanks not just for working on the episode buffer talking about it today and and thanks everyone for for listening, following along and really supporting the show. It's it's such a pleasure and a privilege to to do this work to share these stories with you guys. Definitely. Of said it better. that. Does it for this episode of behind the Lore thanks again to Robin for the research the conversation. If you enjoyed this, please let us know head over to the patriarch page offer your comments. I'll see there of course, you can learn more about everything we're working on at the online home for our production company grim and mild dot com on behalf of the entire law team. Thank you for your constant and generous support.

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Episode 147: Contained

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Episode 147: Contained

"It was a moment I will never forget. We had just rounded the curve in London's Trinity. Square gardens and there. It was a massive stretch of Roman Wall in the middle of a modern city. Every single brick seemed to have been highlighted by centuries of erosion and exposure. But it still stands tall bringing history into the presence. Of course, the more knowledgeable would be quick to point out that only the first four meters of the wall are original, the top sixty percent, or so while still ancient only date back to medieval times. Beyond the numbers is a larger message. Long ago, this wall contained a city and now. While that city has swallowed it whole. And I think that's the thing that jumped out at me the most when I first saw it. Not It's age or its ancient design, but its place in our world today walls are meant to create boundaries to hedge people in and even to defend against forces, so it felt odd to see this fragment of a wall surrounded by gleaming modern office buildings, instead of wrapping it all up in a protective embrace. Maybe, that's because the walls of history often seen larger than life. The Great Wall of China for instance is visible from space walls of Troy. The oldest in the world while the ruins of Hadrian's wall still cut across the countryside between England and Scotland, and then of course there's the Western Wall of the temple in the Old City of Jerusalem and the Berlin Wall of the Cold War era. Walls might protect or divide or even just serve as a reminder, but at the end of the day. They're a simple design meant to do one thing. To contain us. The trouble is whenever you bring people into the picture you get more than you bargained for. Because humans have an almost supernatural ability to leave a trail of pain and suffering behind them. Yes walls can cities or kingdoms or objects we want to protect. But, they can also old something darker. The shadows. Of the past. I'm Aaron McKie. And this. Is Lor. I hadn't intended to visit that wall. It's situated just to the north of the a one hundred, which passes right by our real destination that day, the Tower of London and talk about walls that place is rich with them. Of course much like the Roman wall I mentioned a moment ago. The Tower of London is a product of many eras of building, but at its core is something significant. A Norman Castle. The normans were incredibly good at building stone forts. The core of the White Tower in London is considered by many to be the best example of their work. There are more all around England. It was all part of their strategy. After invading the country in ten sixty six burst, a wooden fort would go up as quickly as possible and a massive stone version would follow setting their dominance firmly in the pages of history. But the normans weren't content to stay in England. Within a century of their arrival, they were looking elsewhere with hunger, and then in the second half of the twelfth century. Two things happened I Pope Adrian. The fourth. Who just happened to be the only English pope in history granted King Henry the second permission to invade Ireland to bring the disobedience church there back in line. A few years later, an Irish king arrived in England exiled from his throne, and looking for help to retake it together with the popes wishlist was the perfect opportunity for King Henry to cross the water and extend his rule so in eleven sixty nine. The first wave was sent. And it crashed over an unprepared emerald isle. At that time Irish settlements were not much more than Ring Forts either rings of earthen mounds or a circle of low stone walls in the face of the militarily advanced Norman's. They were practically defenseless. Some Irish warriors were even reduced to throwing rocks at the invaders, but soon enough England was embedded, and it would never go away. One settled. The normans built their own forts on soil. Just as they had an England century earlier, they started with castles of earth, and would, but then soon replaced them with permanent stone structures. These Newcastle's looked exactly as you might imagine with the Central Tower or keep surrounded by curtain walls and wide ditches compared to what the Irish had been using. These buildings were practically impenetrable. It wasn't all about military might and power, though these castles served a number of practical purposes that don't often get mentioned. They were residential buildings for local rulers. Bay served as the Administrative Center for government over the surrounding people, and sometimes even guarded artificial fishponds stockpiles of provisions and other valuables. But. No matter what role they played, they were there towering over the small wooden structures of the Irish people and making a point each and every time someone glanced at them. English power was right there inside those thick stone walls, and no one was going to take it away from them. What no one could predict though was that uncontrollable forces would begin to chip away at those castles. The first wave happened in thirteen fifteen, when the great European, famine arrived thanks to extensive crop failures. This was a gut punch to both sides. Really the English felt their belts tighten everywhere. Including is but right when the Irish were rising up under the banner of Edward. Bruce Brother of Scotland's Robert, the Bruce of braveheart fame, the famine took the wind out of their sails Edward, died in battle and thirteen eighteen, and the English held on. Thirty years later, the plague arrived in Ireland roughly a third of the population, there died as a result, although it wasn't evenly spread across the island. It seems that because the English preferred to live in close quarters inside their castles and the small support communities around them. The hardest hit by the plague the native Irish, though tended to live more spread out and that distance help them fare better than their oppressors. And finally the introduction of gunpowder changed the face of these Norman Castles. It seems that while those keeps and curtain walls were fantastic for repelling sword, wielding warriors on foot, they were less resilient against cannonballs, and so the English rulers in Ireland began to change their strategy, leaving their imposing castles behind in favor of new smaller structures, no now as tower houses. In, fourteen, twenty nine, King Henry the sixth offer ten pounds up small fortune back then to anyone who built these small tower houses around Dublin, but don't imagine these as tiny buildings. No tower houses were just as impressive as the buildings. They replaced just crafted with more of an eye toward residential living. In fact, one of the best known castles in Ireland Blarney Castle with its legendary Blarney stone is a house. So are many others that still stand today. It's estimated that during that phase of castle building upwards of thirty, thousand of them were constructed all across Ireland. became homes. Yes, but they also became focal points for some of the worst of humanity, and just like a piercing scream in the nights, some of those tragedies have echoed well beyond their original moment to explore them is to revisit some of their prior owners most painful moments. And if you're ready. I'd like to take you there. The transition of sense. If those enormous, Norman Towers were no longer defensible against new methods of warfare. than why were the people inside them putting up with uncomfortable living conditions. The Tower House was the answer. A fortified home that offered comfort and space, but no amount of renovating or expansion could eradicate the darkness inside the people who lived there. Home is where the heart is. Yes, but it's also where people can be at their worst countless stories about those families make that perfectly clear. Take James, Shaw for example in sixteen, Twenty five, he oversaw the construction of a fortified home in county. Antrim known as Ballygawley Castle, but an era when the success in health of a family line was based upon whether or not there was a male heir. There's was an unhappy home. After years of waiting for a son Shah apparently became furious with his wife Lady Isabel then had her locked in one of the tower rooms. Legend says that she either took her own life by jumping from the window or is thrown to her death. Either way it was a tragic end to a horrifying situation. Today the castle is a hotel, but you can still see elements of the original fortified home at its core, and those who stay there have made some unusual reports. Visitors have heard mysterious noises and witnessed like shapes inside their rooms. Locals even claim that a green missed can be seen hovering over the castle at night whether it's real or not, it's clear that the history of the place isn't easy to get rid of. Richard Nugent the four Delvin was a man cut from the same cloth as James Shot. In fact, he spent his entire life scrambling for the top run of the latter, no matter what sort of pain caused the people around him, he sat in the Irish parliament, and eventually rose to become commander in chief of a good portion of the English forces there and finally in fifteen, twenty seven at around the age of seventy. He became Lord Deputy of Ireland. But he reached that position just as England's grip on Ireland was at its weakest shortly after becoming Lord, deputy, he was kidnapped by Irish rebels forced to pay for his freedom after returning home, he decided that it was time to build a safer residence and began construction on what would become Ross Castle in county meath before defied home was completed in fifteen thirty six about a year before his death, but that doesn't mean it escape the family legacy. Nogent John's grandson was said to have inherited that ruthless ambition in order to keep the Irish from invading his lands. He was said to have gone on many rates throughout the region, burning crops and homes and killing without prejudice. He developed a reputation for having people hanged without reason and became a terrifying figure in his day. At home. It was more of the same according to legend his daughter Sabina fell in love with the son of a local Irish chieftain from the O'Reilly clan they met while she was out on a ride along the edges of her father's land, and the to hit it off instantly. For weeks they repeated their secret meeting and soon enough they were discussing marriage. But marriage to an Irishman wasn't something her father would ever agree to so the young couple packed when nights in Matt's along the shores of a lake. Plan was to row across leading her father's land and authority behind and allowing them to build their own life someplace new, but as they crossed the dark waters, a fear storm blew in and overturned the. Both of them washed back to shore, but while Sabina survived, her lover drowned, sending her into a fit of grief and sorrow, knowing she would find no sympathy from her father. She locked herself inside one of the rooms in the castle's tower and refuse to eat or drink for days. She may have starved herself yes. The true cause of her death, according to the legend at least. WAS BROKEN HEART And then there's County Wexford. Centuries before Shah and nugent just a year after the English invaded Ireland and eleven sixty nine, in fact, one of those English Lords set about building a fortress for himself on a peninsula of land, the southeast corner of Ireland known as Hook head. It wasn't the last castle. He would build in the region, but it was the one to inherit his name. He was Raymond Fitzgerald. A Welsh commander and the great grandson of the last independent Prince of South Wales at his side, were ten nights and seventy archers, and together they ravaged the south, of Ireland, but he was also a bit of a black sheep among the other commanders sent by the English crown, and was known for being overly brutal, some of his peers even claimed that Raymond's true goal was to take Ireland for himself. Not The king, although that's difficult to prove definitively. Regardless his trail across the southern portion of Ireland earned Raymond, the nickname Redmond, hinting at the blood he was so eager to spill, but Redmond like all of us was mortal, and passed away sometime in the eleven ninety s over two centuries later in thirteen fifty that Norman Tower, of his on Hook head, was also torn down, and a tower house was raised in its place a house. They called Redmond Hall. As the generations flickered by lives, were lived and lost in and around those walls, eventually, the Redmond was dropped, and it just became known as the hall to those who lived there. It faced cannon fire in the Irish rebellion of sixteen, Forty, one and the blood of over one hundred men with spilled on that land around it, but surprisingly those aren't the events that the hall is remembered for the most. Instead it's a of events that began in the seventeen hundreds that put this fortified home on the map. At that point, the home had passed into the ownership of a different family in the name of the hall had fallen suits. But while names can change. Darkness tends to remain the same. And in Ireland, it's hard to top the darkness. Of Loftus Hall. It was as the well-worn. Introduction always states a dark and stormy nights. The year was seventeen, seventy five, and the Loftus family had holed themselves inside their ancient home to shelter against the hard rain and howling wind lanterns had been lit a fire burned on the hearth. An evening was destined to be a quiet one. Which is why the knock at their door was so surprising. Upon opening it, they found the drenched figure. A young man standing hunched over. The rain were pelting him to the ground quickly. They invited him in and asked his business. It turns out that he was caught in the sudden storm, and their house was the only light he could see through the gloom, so he had pressed his horse to reach at as fast as it could. Knowing the store might rage all night. The family invited him to stay until morning after changing clothes and returning to his guests, the group was said to have had a lovely evening together even Charles, the patriarch, who had been known to be cold and unfriendly, took a liking to the young visitor and together they enjoyed conversation and drinks. We. Don't know how long he stayed or whether or not. He turned that one overnight into a longer visit, but we do know that Charles. Daughter an fell in love with a young man. Her younger sister had already married and left the house and she was the last child left, being unmarried at thirty wasn't hopeless by any means, but in seventeen seventy five. It certainly might have felt like that, but here it was a lovely suitor. She connected with and the pair seemed to have hit it off. When her father Charles found out about their budding romance, though he sent the young man away, some say he caught the couple in bed while others say it was just one of his general fits of anger either way, the young man left an an was heartbroken. And once he was gone Charles sent her to her bedchamber. And locked the door. And that's according to. The Legend is where she stayed for the rest of her life, although that death came within a year. It's a story that invites all sorts of questions, and as we all know, questions are a breeding ground for folklore and soon enough new details flooded in to fill in the gaps details that take the story. To a whole other level. They. Say That one of the nights. The guest was staying at Loftus, Hall they decided to play a game of cards. And the guest worked as a pair against her father, Charles and her stepmother. And the young man turned out to be unstoppable, almost supernatural naturally, so, but at one point in the match, and apparently dropped one of her rings and bench beneath table to grab it when she noticed something about her guest's feet. They were cloven. Like the devil. And screamed, and a young man panicked thunder suddenly shook the room, and then in a cloud of smoke, there guest vanished leaving only the scent of Brimstone as a reminder that he had been there at all. Shocked by what she had discovered and went mad and her father was forced to lock her away. At least that was the new version of the story. But whether ants, confinement and deaths were the result of seeing the devil in her own home or punishment for an illicit love affair with guest. It's the aftermath that has echoed through loftus hall ever since because not long after Ann's death, strange things began to happen all around the house, and despite being Protestants, the family became so desperate that they called on a local Catholic priest to come and perform an exorcism. They say that a man named Father Thomas broaders arrived and cleanse the house for the family. He moved from room to room over the course of a few days a when he was finished, the house was safe again. All, except for one room that is. Try as he might bother. broaders wasn't able to complete his work in one room and former bedroom. After that years went by that bedroom was redecorated with a number of large beautiful tapestries, earning at the highly creative nickname of the tapestry room, it still had a bed in it, but there were a number of other guestrooms in the house, so it went unused for the most part, but one evening in seventeen ninety, the family hosted so many visitors that the last one to arrive had no choice, and they were assigned to the tapestry room. That guest, a local man named John Reid happily settled in for a night of rest, but moments after he'd blow out the candles and climb beneath the blankets, something large and heavy jumped onto the bed at his feet. And it was growling. Read practically ejected himself from the bed, fumbling through the dark, found his luggage, and pulled his pistol from within, and then he waved at around while shouting at the intruder, threatening that he would use it. After receiving no reply though it said that read assumed the intruder had entered and exited through the chimney, so he fired a shot straight up into the darkness. Amazingly John Return to Loftus Hall years later sometime around Eighteen fifteen, he came back for another visit this time with his son George, and it seems that George wasn't told about his father's prior experience there, because when he saw the beautiful tapestries in that room, he picked it as the room. He would stay in without a word of warning from his father. That night, rather than Falling Asleep George stayed up late reading. But at some point, his eye movement, and he looked over to see the door to the room, open all on its own, and then shut again just as quickly. Passing through it was the figure of a young woman in what he described as a stiff dress who walk past? The foot of his bed opened one of the closet doors. And then step through. The following night George stay awake with a goal of seeing the young woman again. And sure enough at the same time she had the night before the woman appeared silently entering the room before making her way toward the closet. Hoping to ask her who she was, and why she was in his room George leapt from the bed and reached for her arm. But was shocked when his hand passed right through her. A moment later. She vanished. Over the years, more and more people had unusual experiences in that room in eighteen, fifty eight, another minister named Charlesdale visited the House and claim that something invisible jumped onto his bed and growled at him. Others repeated similar claims, but none were as chilling as the experience had by one of the servants a decade later. The current Lord of Loftus Hall at the time John had inherited the title when he was just a boy, but by his late teens he was traveling with his invalid. Shannon and conducting business for the family in both Ireland and across the water in England, and in eighteen, sixty eight, John returned to Loftus Hall to visit his mother Lady, Jane. It was apparently Shannon's first time stain at the house, so he didn't know the risks involved in being assigned to the tapestry room later that night, though a series of screams woke the entire household who rushed out to see what had happened in the process, they found Shannon arriving in terror on the floor of a room down the hall from where he had been sleeping. When asked what had happened? Shannon told them that he had been fast asleep when a sound will come up. He sat up to see the curtains around the bed moving as if someone were playing with them from the other side. And then without warning, they were torn wide open to reveal the figure of a woman. A woman he said. In an old stiff dress. We build walls for a lot of reasons. Most people use them to define a space to separate one room in their house from another. Some people use them for privacy or protection or a general sense of ownership, and some throughout history have used walls to assert dominance over others. At the end of the day, though walls contain things whether those things are family, memories or collections of real objects, but walls seem to wrap them up and hold them tight like a lovers embrace, and that's good and natural thing. But? Walls can do more than that. They can also contain shadows. The, fortified houses of Ireland are stark reminders of the dual nature of walls. Yes, they were built to keep people out and to protect those within, but in the end thanks to the darker side of human nature, they also ended up holding onto something more, and for many of the people who visit or live inside them today. That something is still noticeable. Back in the eighteen sixties John's mother lady Jane had hopes that the contents of Loftus. Hall might entice the Queen to pay a visit. Lady Jane, had become friends with Queen Victoria and even help title of Lady of the Bedchamber to Her Majesty so sometime around eighteen, sixty one, Jane told the Queen the details of the legend of Loftus Hall Open that she would want to come and see it all for herself. The plan failed though lady. Jane moved on to more drastic methods. In eighteen seventy, she had a large portion of the hall torn down, and then built a new more modern manner home around it. Everything was bigger and better and more beautiful than ever, except for a few of the rooms, which were preserved and reused, and that list included the tapestry room. It said that Lady Jane turned the bedchamber into a billiards room. It was a great idea really because it removed the room from the list of available spaces to sleep in new guests to Loftus Hall. What know what they were missing out on, and that was mostly a good thing. Except for George, Reid, who returned to see the house later in his life around the mid eighteen seventies. When he arrived, he was shocked that the tapestry room was no longer available as a place to stay. Maybe he hoped to see the ghostly young woman one last time, or perhaps he simply wished for a familiar space inside the renovated mansion, so he asked around about the changes. One of the longtime housekeepers. They're not knowingly at the question. Yes, she said. That was young an you saw. But then she seemed to withdraw from the conversation. We shouldn't talk about her. The housekeeper told him. She made a horrid noise last night, knocking billiard balls about. One last thing. It said that something was discovered during the renovations of eighteen seventy. Something that hinted at a clue to the origins of the legend. It's said that inside one of the walls of the tapestry room. Workers discovered bones. Belong to an adult. It was the skeleton. Of! A BABY! Ireland is a land of story from its ancient past to modern times, there seems to be no end to the tales that have spilled out from the shores of the Emerald Isle like some sort of magical well, and while we're still visiting I'd like to take you to one last castle. Because the story that surrounds, it is one of my favorites. Stick around after this brief sponsor break and I'll tell you all about it. This, episode was made possible by stamps. Dot Com, as we slowly adjust to a new normal. We still need to be smart about how we do business. Luckily they're stamps. Dot Com and make things easier. Thousands of small business owners have discovered the benefit of stamps dot com in recent months. They've been able to keep their businesses running and avoid the crowds at the post office. With. STAMPS DOT COM. 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That wasn't uncommon in the sixteen forty S, but I mention it because it was the seed of a lot of rumors about her rumors that paint her terrifying light, and while they might have only been stories, the true details of her life make those rumors a lot easier to fall for. Mary McMahon had been married just once before as far as historians can tell in sixteen, thirty four, she married Daniel Nalen and the couple built a life together, but within five years Daniel was dead, leaving her with three young children to care for. Thankfully. Her next husband was a man of status. CONOR O'Brien was from a long line of Irish rulers, high kings, in fact, marriage to him, also met moving into the Family Tower House Liam. Manet Castle which had been built in the fourteen hundreds by sixteen forty, though it was a little worse for wear, so the couple made some renovations which added to its size and scope. But life was more complicated than that. It seems the Conor O'Brien was a bit of a hothead who had no problem reading English settlements in the area. In fact, Mary often rode alongside him participating in these missions in one document from sixteen, Forty two. We are told that Mary Ann Connor led a small band of fighters out on one such raid in February of that year and brought home, a wagon, full of household goods, fourteen pigs in over four hundred sheep. Mary it seems at a thirst for adventure, and if the stories were true, that violence came home with her, it said that she would hang her servants by their necks or hair. If people trespass on land, she was rumored to murder them and when she wasn't killing people. They said she was happy to engage in a bit of torture. Of course these were the same rumors. That said that she had married and killed over twenty men. The truth isn't found in the ratings of the mob or the propaganda of jealous. No truth is found in the historical record while it might not include nearly two dozen murdered. Husband's Mary's real story is more than terrifying as it is. In sixteen forty one, a conflict arose in Ireland that became known as the eleven years. It was part of a larger conflict all throughout Ireland Scotland and England as the wars of the three kingdoms. If you've ever heard names like the Irish rebellion of sixteen, Forty, one or the first second and third English civil wars, these were all smaller pieces under the larger umbrella of the wars of the three kingdoms. Naturally everyone had to pick a side Mary's husband. Connor eventually gave up his life of rating local English settlements, and became a commissioned officer in the royalist army, but in sixteen fifty one during a particularly bloody skirmish, connor was badly wounded, and in an effort to save him, some of his men carried his body back to his home and to marry. It said that Mary looked out her window and saw them approaching and assumed connor. According to the legend, she leaned out the window and shouted at the approaching soldiers. We want know dead men here, but after a quick conversation. They informed her that her husband was still alive and in need of help. Sadly, conor O'Brien died in the castle a short while later. When he did, Mary did something unusual. She put on one of our best dresses climbed into a carriage, and made the perilous journey to the nearest parliamentarian camp, the very same forces that had killed her husband, and if the legends are true, she did it for two reasons, both of which require a bit explanation. I, she did it to make an offer being newly widowed, she was free to marry again, and had decided that the first officer in the enemy camp to come forward with earned her hand in marriage. We don't know if anyone step forward that day, but we do know that a short while. Later she was recorded as being married to a parliamentarian officer named John. Cooper. I think it's safe to assume he was the one who took her up on that offer. But why do this? Most historians think that Mary saw the writing on the wall. At least for the moment the parliamentarians were the horse to bet on, and Mary had an estate and children to look after marrying into the conquering side was away of buying a bit of Insurance Against Tumultuous Times. But there's the second reason for her to the enemy camp that day. gave her a chance to ask around and identify the man who fired the shot that killed her husband. And Mary, was it the sort of woman who let go of a grudge or to let anyone else do the dirty work when it mattered. It said a short while later Mary herself hunted down the Man Responsible I can picture her writing through the night on a black horse gun and sword hanging at her side, and creeping into the parliamentarian camp to abduct her target. It said that she then hanged the man to death, putting an end to request for vengeance. Allowing her life to move on. Today! She's known as Red Mary, maybe because of the color of her hair or perhaps due to all the blood, she was rumored to have spilled. Either way she's managed to leave a mark on the past and found a way to stick around all these centuries later. History like life isn't always neat and tidy. There are a lot of things we don't know about. Mary McMahon, or whether or not the rumors about her were entirely true. But we do know that she was fierce, powerful and more than a little bloody. And if history has taught us anything. It's darkness like that. That can never be contained. this episode of lower was written and produced by me Aaron Minke with research by Robin. Miniature and Carl Nellis Music by Chad Lawson. Lor is much more than just a podcast. There's a book series available in bookstores and online and two seasons of the television show on Amazon Prime Video. 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"This a statewide reports in conversations from in and around Illinois. I'm Shawn Crawford ahead this hour. A Young Central Central Illinois woman looks back at the year. She became a farmer. We were how one man is trying to save shrinking hometown. An aspiring teacher gets a chance in her dream. Thanks to a change in state law. Great Job classes to help them with the basic core skills. They can move on with their lives and good about themselves record valuables and not with student at such a problem. We'll visit a classroom. Personal personal finance is the subject the undesired foursome rare musical instruments and not many towns poet laureate will introduce you to one brand here you're in Illinois that and more coming up on this week statewide. Welcome to statewide. I'm Shawn Crawford this hour. We'll learn more about the impact. Having apparent apparent in jail or prison can have children some ideas of how reprieve the situation. There was a change in state law designed to help with the Illinois teacher shortage at age. We'll talk with a woman who says change opened the door for her to fulfill her dream and also coming up. How one man is strangled to save is small hometown all ahead on statewide? Twenty nineteen was a memorable year for farmers formers not in a good way. Trade disputes cut into prices and drove upping Zayed's a soggy planting season led to a late harvest and just as farmers finally were able to get into the fields in the fall. It snowed for twenty-seven-year-old Greasy Winds Earl Twenty nineteen will be memorable for an entirely different reason. It's when she became a farmer farmer Ryan Denim has that story this fall gracie became the proud owner of her very own twenty acres of farmland near Stanford. It's about twenty minutes. West Stoop Bloomington normal. Grace's family had rented and farmland for years. But now it's hers to me. It's the home farm. It's where my great GRANDPA farmed. It's where my grandpa farmed to our. My Dad's farm. It's it's just right up next to the old farmstead buying it was no easy feat S- a little twentieth farmland doesn't come onto the market very often plus land is expensive about ten thousand dollars. An acre around here twenty-seven-year-old like Gracie don't have a lot of collateral to help eat alone is a great read opportunity for me to get my foot in the door and decide. Is this something I wanna do. Gracie is an outlier. A young female producer in an industry dominated at least on paper Apor by older men. Primary producers over sixty five now outnumber farmers under thirty five by more than six to one. It's a widening gap that the National Donald Young Farmers Coalition says should concerns all Gracie has gone from Pharma. Jason Kidd College students in now landowner. Her journey is one possible path for navigating the barriers that prevent young people from farming is a kid gracie would go for the occasional tractor ride but she was never super engaged in farming it. It wasn't until senior year of high school that she began to see as a career she tried. Education wasn't a good fit and landed in communications. She spent about five five years working for some big companies and Saint Louis returned home to Central Illinois last fall to take a job at the Illinois. Farm Bureau St Louis. I realized that I was disconnected from the farm. But I you know. I missed my combine rides. I I wanted to come out. I wanted to know what was going on. Most crop land in the US is is rented not owned by. The farmers who work. In Grace's family was no different. A few years ago Gracie found out that one of her family's landlords might be interested in selling part of one of the feels heels by all of that but I'd be interested in a peace gracie had just come up against the number one challenge facing young farmers inability to access farmland both both first generation and multigenerational farmers sighted land access as their top challenge. It's according to the two thousand seventeen national young farmer survey gracie found that lenders. Were not too eager to loner all that money. Especially since she didn't have any other assets to her name but she got help from the USDA's Farm Service Agency Loan Program for beginning farmers immerse which offered slightly lower interest rates. It took about five months paperwork questions way harder than buying a house which Gracie also did this year essentially. We're in this partnership together where they are lending me money and they. They want me to be successful. They would not give me that money if they didn't think I could make a go of this us but in mid August greasy closed on the purchase. She had her twenty acres. Like I feel like this is a huge financial accomplishment for me but then it also thinks in because they they handle the schedule of payments. It's like I have to make payments through twenty forty nine that's cool that's the rest of my life. Whatever whatever you can't do much farming without equipment and that's another barrier for beginning farmers new tractors and combines cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and again gracie got some help? She worked out of Labor Trade Agreement with her father and uncle paying to use their meant by putting in hours on their operation as a starting farmer. If I didn't have family in the business I could not survive on twenty acres with the equipment I would need for a corn and soybean farm which is what I know how to do what works best for the land around here craziest learning from her dad and getting a handle on the equipment she already knew plenty about crop and soil science in part because she studied in college soon she'll be choosing her seed and chemicals goals and making countless other decisions. She can't yet anticipate. Many of them will be financial. I will lie in that. I'm nervous in knowing whether or not I am good enough as a business person to be able to sell my crop and make sure that I cover all of my costs. The latest census shows the average age of a primary very farm producer in this country is risen to fifty nine years old. The number of young farmers is not keeping pace with the number of farmers aging out of a field. That's according to the national a young farmers coalition which argues it. Federal Farm Policy should do more to address barriers to entry. The latest accents is showed more very big and very small all farms. The number of mid sized farms between five hundred thousand acres actually dropped by about thirty percent. Maria burn is an assistant professor of agribusiness at Illinois. The state university she says those who inherit farmland often end up selling it to other farmers in the area who were looking to expand so as you have fewer farmers doing that work and more opportunities off the farm for the younger generation and fewer people growing up on farms in general. I think it's really sort of a natural progression. Aggression that that average farm operator would be getting a little bit older each time we do. One of these census report another barrier is time itself young people who grew up on the farm arm. And WanNa take over may have to wait for dad mom or even GRANDPA to retire farm income which has declined nationally since the peak in twenty thirteen can only support so many people and I have a lot of individuals in my classes here at Illinois state. They're looking at that exact situation. This dynamic plays out again and again sixty seven year old John Olsen Ulsan farms corn and beans in McLean. He left the family farm himself for about ten years before returning at age. Thirty is parents still did a lot of hand holding those first few years after after he and his brother took over Olson's dad technically retired at age sixty five to crawl out of the combine for the last time at age eighty seven so twenty two years after he retired heard. He actually retired recalled the demographics of a room full of farmers a couple of years ago at a professional development event. I've just blown away with a room full of three hundred people people and I think the last time I did this. I was sixty two or three and I think I was throwing the age. Kerr off to the low side being in there. I think a lot of the guys that were there older than myself. Burns advice to young farmers is to network get to know more established farmers and landowners even asked asked to job shadow with one. You know you kind of treat it as almost a job interview you make it known that you want to become a farm operator you want to rent farm ground or increase the number of acres you're renting you produce a Almost not almost a farm mission statement you produce document Eamon that says here's my mission as a farmer. Here's the equipment. I have available to me. Here's my experience. Here is how I will take care of your farmland. If you choose used to be a renter I caught up with gracie wiser on a recent Friday afternoon during harvest. She had a tractor cab full of leftover Halloween Candy. She waited for Dave to dump another load of corn so she could drive over to the grain elevator in nearby Stanford bracy says she's not ready to ask for a bigger share for families five hundred Acre operation until her dad or uncle Dave decides to retire. Step back you know. Farming is very multi generational thing and so right now honestly. There's not room for me. On this farm. When gracie thinks about the future including expanding to more acres? She doesn't soc- herself ever becoming a full time farmer. She enjoys her full time day. Job At the farm bureau in Bloomington and the health insurance provides in fact that 2017 survey found the young farmers feel a lack of affordable health insurance puts them at significant risk. Right now I am content. I'm learning how to farm. I'm also making sure that I have a solid income. So I can reinvest eventually in the farm if Gracie does take over the operation. One day. She'll join a growing number of female farmers about forty-one percent of farmers and their first ten years of farming are women and the total number of female principal operators increased by nearly seventy percent according to the last census some some of that increase however maybe because the USDA's getting better tracking the roles that women have long played on farms in two thousand seventeen cents is captured more demographic information from up to four producers perform. USA also added questions about who makes different decisions on the farm. Finding that female producers are most heavily engaged in the day to day decisions as long with record keeping and financial management greasy says. Her grandmother would often drive trucks filled with grainger. The Elevator Burns and saw the same thing my grandparents in southern Illinois filled. The census sensus out numerous times but my grandmother was as much a part of the farms. My grandfather but under the old collection system those types of things wouldn't have been captured it's not all doom and gloom for young farmers I they've got some advantages gracie is fluent in social media. Has Their own. PODCAST called a farm kids guide to agriculture. Uses those to connect with other young AD professionals. It also comfortable with on-farm technology. Her Dad and uncle US auto steer and have been collecting yield data from their machines since nineteen ninety nine. But they haven't done anything with it so I'm really interested to dig into that. This winter is to start seeing consistencies in the field. See what see what's going on in her. A little twenty acres grace. He's also running trials right now trying different cover crops fungicides learning now so she can make better decisions later just like farmers have been doing for thousands thousands of years that's Ryan dim of member station W. G. Lt without reports the landscape of Illinois and the Midwest is dotted with small towns pounds most struggling to survive and KIA's keeping and growing population. Here's a story from a shrinking. Kansas community called the Yoda Shea a wealthy businessman. There is hoping to save his hometown. He's launched a program to pay college tuition for Neo Touche students. The idea takes its cue from bigger cities but it could face. Some unexpected elected roadblocks Sylvia. Yo Peace Jepson with the Kansas new service brings us this report Ben. Cutler grew up in a shea in the nineteen fifties when I had a thousand more residents than today's twenty three hundred. He left Kansas for career in finance and insurance but never forgot his hometown situated about halfway between Wichita Kansas and Joplin Missouri and his business success has led to this. That's near two. She's she's three hundred middle and high schoolers in their auditorium recently when they learned Cutler will pay their college tuition they have to earn a two point five. GPA and tick other boxes but the neo dish promise will cover the price of tuition and fees at the state's priciest public school. The University of Kansas Deja Council sle is a senior. She wants to study dental hygiene. I'm still in shock right now. I've been really saving for college. I know most of my classmates have also saving up working real hard and this is just a rogue relief off of our shoulders. The program has two goals obviously changed lives right now. Two years after high school fewer than half of students students here are working on a college degree. Second goal bring people to this rural town. Families need to enroll their kids in school here by the sixth grade to get the full deal deal. Colors offer is good for the next twenty five years at least possibly decades beyond that it will likely cost tens of millions of dollars. But here's the problem doc. Bordering school districts have been losing enrollment as well to nearby districts have fewer than two hundred students left because most of southeast Kansas is shrinking neo-dadaist plan might simply shift people around among dwindling towns. Matthew Sanderson is a sociologist at Kansas State University if you're thinking about regional regional economic development at least at this stage it looks more like zero sum game to spur real growth neo. Shay has to attract more employers and jobs and though community leaders say progress elsewhere have benefited economically. They're usually in more populous places like Kalamazoo Michigan that the town has seventy five thousand residents. Still hundreds of workers commute this town every day from across the region for manufacturing jobs plants like this one couple votes where a team is building the whole of luxury motor boat so this process just gets repeated layer by layer. You're resonant glass or apply company president. Shane Stanfield says now. Maybe more of his workers will move to town to take advantage of the free tuition and others would would follow and with that Bill Dobie jobs and that will also help help us to get you find the right people to work for us but aspiring residents may need to get in line nearly as other big challenge is a housing shortage. A common issue across rural America Thunder Ben Cutler says the town is ready for the hard work. I don't think any of us that are have been working on this scholarship program. Now I've been working on for a couple of years think that this is going to be easy. This is going to require some heavy lifting on the part of the the school on the part of the community on the part of the businesses here. Meanwhile Matthew Sanderson says. He's curious to see if neo shake can pull something off beyond beyond the usual zero-some game a town this small trying to reinvent itself with this incentive. I'm still yuppies Jackson in Neo Shay The Quad cities has been been chosen to host hundreds of competitors from one of the fastest growing sports in the country. It's the twenty twenty one. US Masters Championships for the professional disc. Golf Association one of the organizers will be chased Robert sees the owner of a disc golf supply store in Moline we obviously have a slowdown season. When it it gets too cold but you know one of the great things about it is that anybody can play it and it's really pitched to get involved with a game? Robert says the Association chose it was the quad cities because it successfully hosted two previous national competitions in two thousand seven and again in twenty seventeen for the uninitiated he says disc. This golf is similar to golf with something resembling a Frisbee. They're actually more a little bit more like a discus that you would use in track and field then. They are a traditional Frisbee. We still have some districts that resemble the Frisbee form those are potters their slower speed disk. There's mid range if they're a little bit better for control and then there's drivers and distanced drivers for high speed and long distance shot. The game is scored the same as off but instead of holes competitors Putt into baskets the twenty twenty one masters Astor's championships will be for those age forty and older and will be held in September of next year. Roberts says the quad cities is a hotbed for disc golf with eleven courses in in that area and a total of about forty with an easy driving distance. There's more of statewide on the way next up teaching kids about personal finance. Yeah this statewide my Shawn Crawford on the way a town in Illinois with its own poet laureates and when a parent goes to jail or prison again have a devastating impact on children will hear more about that Student debt reached its peak last year about one point. Four billion dollars in federal loans. Many borrowers who where will beyond college or still paying them off. Suzanne introduces US TO A high school class teaching kids about personal finance in hopes of bringing down the debt. It's first period at Carey Growth High School. Northwest suburban Kerry teacher. Laura Jacobsen is talking to a room of sleepy. Juniors and seniors in her family and Consumer Science Class Bernard and reliance. She's teaching personal finance. which can be an abstract concept to a bunch of teens but Jacobsen thinks these lessons are are very important and that's why she gets personal? She has two adult children who she helped pay off college loans. She brought in their actual financial statements. I put up their account statements statements and it showed how much interest I paid and how long it took me to pay it. And they're like you all that much and I go yeah. I didn't have the money in savings. I had to take a couple loans out. The curriculum is part of semester. Long course called finish. A program created by the University of Chicago and magnetized Capital Foundation. The curriculum focuses on personal finance with a heavy focus on college debt. It Rebecca Maxi is with the University of Chicago and overseas the program. She says Jacobsen sharing her personal story has an impact on students understanding. She says some. Some of the assignments require students to ask an adult about their finances. Research says you should do it and we know from our experience here that having that home connection is great but it can be a little nerve wracking especially when people are taught not to talk about money. Students in Illinois are required to take consumer education to graduate but it's up to individual schools to include personal finance dance Maxi says many students still aren't getting this level of exposure. She says for most high school kids student loans are their first encounter with debt. They don't know what they're getting into. They don't understand the consequences and the ramifications that twenty years from now they could still be or more they could still be paying off debts by the third quarter of this year. Fourteen eighteen million borrowers in the thirty five. To forty nine age. Group owed a collective five hundred sixty four billion dollars in federal student loans though a much smaller group some some people in their sixties are still paying off that debt. This is the second near the finish. Curriculum is used in classrooms. Max says it's too early to say how well it's working but she says. External evaluation shows that students. Financial Literacy has improved college. Sophomore Daniel Buea agrees with that. You took a similar course. When he was in high school it was extremely beneficial? Because I would have gone to college blind to like not really knowing where I can do this. Consider towards my mom because my mom's ones paying for it. He says after taking the class he did some thinking and made some financially based decisions he got into number one choice for College Northern Illinois University but decided to attend the more Affordable University of Illinois at Chicago. He's switched his major from psychology to marketing. A career he thinks will be more lucrative. Taking all loans is in funders interest I in a cruise and you know I just thought about like my mom. You know like how much like she would have to work because he was not cheap. Back in Laura Jacobson's class she says even if students don't take out college loans. The lessons apply to other future decisions. Like buying a home or paying off major medical expenses. Jacobson says a few parents parents have thanked her for the course and said they wish they'd had something similar when they were teens. This is a daunting one on one. Should you have you know you can't have your parents hall on your behalf. Because one day she tells the class it will be their responsibility Tuzon. WBZ News having having apparent behind bars can negatively impact a child for the rest of his or her life I had a chance to speak. With reporter Marine mckinney. About her latest story on the impact of appearance. Appearance Incarceration on a child. And what could be done to protect those bonds. So Maureen. What led you to look at the issue of children of incarcerated? I was looking through some bills that were approved last year and to caught my eye about children of the incarcerated one John was to create a task force to look at the issue of what can be done to help and the other requires fires judges to take into consideration how defendants children will be impacted by their sentence. You've written about this Just recently another Illinois issues piece that you put together a Gibson background on that a bit of a recap on on the earlier story last week focused and and the harm that done to children when their parents are incarcerated They are more likely to end up in prison. Present themselves more likely to have health issues mental and physical and more likely to use drugs. People I talked to said that's why creating the task force was important that we need in to look out for those kids whose parents are already in prison or in jails awaiting sentencing marine. Can you describe some of the problems. The advocates you interviewed cited first of all like eighty percent of the women in prisoner parents. Parents and the locations aren't conducive for people who live in Chicago of the women who are in prison forty percent are from Chicago and the prisons are located in Lincoln and Decatur which Earth hundred eighty miles approximately from Chicago ago. They also talked about visitation. How that can be extremely Scary and off putting Golden When advocate talked about children seeing their mothers and being very excited and then they run up against the glass? Can't touch their mothers or reach out to them and they get very very frustrated and the mothers will be so upset about that. They won't want to have the children visit again and visitations important because it helps keep up the bond between parents and child so can this issue be dealt with quickly Probably not it's a problem with with the criminal justice system in its entirety throughout the nation. So it's not unique Towel Annoy Ellen way. It does have some unique situations like the largest women's prison logan. In Lincoln MM can has real issues with its visiting area for instance children who are coming to visit find it to be cold barren there. I know a lot of toys. I guess thirty three percent of jails don't even have can tag visits which the advocates are really supportive of. That's reporter Marine mckinney. She wrote about how children are impacted affected by having apparent in jail or in prison and you can read her full story. We have a link at our website at statewide show dot com. Uh Politics Television and social media or once again rich sources for abuse of the English language during the past year. They're the main contributors contributors to the latest list of words and phrases banished from the Queen's English for misuse overuse and general uselessness as herb tricks tells us more the two thousand nineteen banished list is the forty fifth to be issued by Lake Superior State University in Michigan in past years it was overseen by the Public Relations Office but this year became the responsibility of the English department. Mary McMahon is an associate professor of English and creative writing and a member of the banished word committee. The list serves a really interesting role. There are a lot of organizations nationwide that that Nominate a word of the year. Like the Miriam Webster Dictionary. He does one The Association of Linguists does one but they just nominate one word of the year. And it's sort of like experts. Nominating that and this list. As as far as I know is the only List where the American populous can actually nominate words. So it's a way for people to be word. Eric watchers themselves and then to keep an eye on the language and the winner. She says hands down with the most. Nominations is the phrase quid pro quo in Latin. It just means something or something and it actually comes The first reported instance of the phrases actually all the way back in the sixteenth century so It started with apothecary when they would substitute one medication for another. Sometimes they would intentionally substitute them. But another times they wait fraudulently substitute one medication for another. And as the years passed It started to be any substitution of one thing for another uh-huh and then it started to have the negative connotation that we have with the with the phrase now where it sort of means pay for play from the pretentious section action of the list. Comes the word artisanal which appears on a lot of menus these days trying to make your water salad dressing or sandwich. Sound more exciting and from the explosion of food shows incites comes mouth feel. That was the one that surprised me to But but basically it's the word that is used to describe ride the texture of food in your mouth but texture isn't good enough you have to say mouth steel which is which just kinda gross. Because where else are you gonNA put your food or are we gonNA talk about foot. Feel our hands then. There's literally the the word literally means the synonym for actually right. And the way that it has been changing over. The years is to is it actually. Has I become its own anthem. So instead of meaning actually people are using it for emphasis or for For figurative so I could say I was so surprised my head literally exploded which would mean that my head actually exploded but people are using it for emphasis meaning that You know my head almost exploded for figurative. So it's a very interesting word that's become I mean it's opposite. McMillan says an important source of words and phrases raises for the banishment. List in recent years has been social media including friend is a verb Google Selfie and ghosting the latest editions thanks to social media included clued chirp Jelly and tote one that was new to me was Chirp And I talked to my students about this one They they had said that it was an an insult For that millennial us to talk about somebody who is insulting someone else. So it's verb. SORTA like tweet is a very where you say. I tweeted about district. And you're talking about what you're saying on twitter but CHIRP is sort of like talking about something but talking about it negatively So I get get chart for being out of touch for not knowing that word. Joey knows an abbreviation of the word jealous. While tote is another abbreviation for totally. And if there's some use of a word phrase it really bothers you some new and terrible pretension or let's face it something on social media that US older people just don't understand like Superior State University accepts nominations all year round. Just go to L. SSU DOT EDU slash vanished. I'm herb tricks tricks. The city of Aurora appointed its first Poet Lore yet Yvonne Booze tells us more careful let Christianson and is most comfortable surrounded by books like here at the Aurora Library West brant. She's written around. How three thousand poems and has created several collections of her work? She shares these with close friends and family she flips through one of her many manuscripts. Then she finds a poem to read. We went out to clean the riverbank. Big Black sacks heavy gloves sturdy boots to clear clear the bottles and cans and shoes and carts and tires and tanks and beds and cords and bikes and on and on and on. What are we thinking? Are we so rich. That nothing warrants. Our attention the night before we saw the Dalai Lama smile. That poem is called trash and the Dalai Lama. It was written April of two thousand and eight poulet Chris and started writing when she was fourteen years old. She started by journaling which eventually turned into poetry autry. She says she was inspired by her English teacher. I brought things into show to my teacher and he was very encouraging In fact I want a national teachers of English writing contests and now she's the first poet laureate of Aurora fillet. Chris and says she wasn't going to apply for the position. Listen I was encouraged by some friends to change my mind and so I did and when I saw the application I changed my mind completely. She says the application had meaningful questions and it showed that the staff of the mayor's office had done their research poulet Christians than is a retired city worker but retirement didn't stop her work within the community in two thousand and thirteen. She Co founded a local poetry group. Eight town poetics. She credits this group. I think the work that town poetics has done in the community in terms of raising awareness about poetry in terms of hosting some curated readings and events helped my name rise to the top there. There were three other finalists. Those finalists are now deputy poet laureates they inclu Anthony Staffer Quinton Johnson and for Meena Ponce. She says she plans Lhasa work closely with them. But I also hope along with three other people that are going to be part of our little poetry Passi that we can reach out to organizations in the community. She says her mission is to work with the city's young people. I'm hoping that we can encourage kids to write to not be afraid of writing to not be intimidated. Aided by the notion of poetry Poulet Christus and set poetry is her preferred platform because of his power and the poetry section of the Aurora Public Library. West branch Chad Myers the work of her role models. This looks like all the Portland. Well many of the poet laureate so Billy Collins One of my favorites I love him because he writes about every day. Life Collins was the poet laureate of the United States between two thousand one and two thousand and three and while he was poet laureate He created a program program called one hundred and eighty days of poems. She says she wants to incorporate something. Similar in Aurora Phil Let Christian will hold the title of Port Laureate through April of twenty twenty one and official installation ceremony will take place in January at Gwendolyn Brooks Elementary School. This ceremony will include the poet laureate as well as is that three. Deputy poet laureates. I'm Yvonne Booze. A longtime collector of rare sheet music has died. Lee Schreiner donated much of his collection to Northern Illinois University University. where it found new life genitally has that story in two thousand fourteen leash? Reiner of Rockford started donating his collection to his Alma Mater Librarians at northern in Illinois University created an online database for the world. War One sheet music which is now in the public domain one of the pieces called the Third Illinois. Infantry March played here during an interview in twenty seventeen trainer says every free piece in his collection has a story. I think it's really interesting to look at small town. malinois cheat music that was published by someone in small. The town had something they wanted to say. Trainer died January second after a long battle with him former he was seventy. I'm genitally You're listening to statewide. Stay with US next hunt for some rare musical instruments across the country and right here in Illinois Oy Rebecca on statewide. I'm Shawn Crawford on the way a woman who had been hoping to become a teacher. Get some help from the Illinois legislature. You WanNa hear a piece of history. That's a more than century. Old Pipe Organ Morgan purchased with help from the Carnegie Foundation. Andrew Carnegie Ideas Remembered for his philanthropy the industrialised wound up giving away an estimated ninety percent of his fortune causes like libraries and education but less known own was how he helped many churches and community centers obtained pipe organs. The foundation called the Oregon matching gifts benefactions. More than eight thousand were manufactured. Andy factored in distributed around the world including two hundred seven here in Illinois but that was a long time ago and tracking down those organs if they still exist requires. There's some detective. Work Polera knows a concert organist teacher and early music scholar. She join me to talk about the effort. This was benefactions action that was not widely known and this came after the times when he gave the money for the libraries obvious and libraries went really all over the world but the organs did too but they were not as many as we have you. Throughout the United States in Illinois though Illinois was third largest number of organs that the foundation helped to provide the money for and there are two hundred and seven and our state but of course not all of those are still operating. I've unfortunately found some stories of where the the organs unsworth dismantled because the church had no longer been viable ore. They couldn't raise money to keep it. Tuned things like that Occasionally you find that they might end up in somebody's basement or taking A ceiling out of a room and putting an organ. They're air-backed sometimes. They were given away they were given to other churches to us One such place was An organ organ that was in house already and the people didn't know what to do with this house but they gave it to a University of Michigan and all of a sudden it became one of the practice. Rooms are one of the small recital halls there is in Virginia Illinois in a town of seventeen hundred. There is one it's Hook and hastings organ and what's so unique about it. The only thing that has been done in this hundred thirty years this has been that they just put an electric blower on it and that one. When my father was a little boy he used to pump out? That was his wait to give his service to the church and so he would hand pump it with a little wind machine. And you had to keep it pumping. You're teak keep the air in it but he had to also it when they organised was going to practice. I think he was looking forward to getting a little bit older. So Up to go do that. But I've been able bill to identify almost ninety of the two hundred seven Oregon's which all came from one. Builder called Hook and Hastings which is out of Vermont. And then there's another company which is out of the pecan Peoria area and it's hinters. They were quite a prolific in their instruments that they put in around our area and it was not a name of an organ builder that I knew that well but a- another forgotten thing for Illinois. Do you know why Carnegie was so interested in giving organs We the library thing makes some sense to me but maybe the organ was some personal connection. There he sort of had an Anna Baptist. He was he was a Swedenborg but in lockton thought it not much doctrine but he gave a church to the church where his family attended and before he knew There there was a Catholic Church that heard about what he had done for his home. Church and on it went we know how many of the two hundred plus in that were given an Illinois or are still in use though. Do we have a pretty good number on that. Well that's where I'm a sleuth right then sleuthing for a couple of years and hand we have Ninety seven Hook and hastings and I've been able to find out what churches they are part of it not not. All of these instruments went into a wealthy churches so wealthy churches could afford to change everything around and say I want to get a blank and Blank Electric Oregon and so They might have been taken out these instruments. I think that have stood the test of time I would imagine through the decades fewer and fewer people know how to play these instruments not true Because it's been the other way around around you think that it is diminishing to be an organised is you have to be an entrepreneur yourself And you have to spend a lot of years going to school and it really. What we do us organise? It isn't matched. What we what we have? Is that matched with our. You're what you're giving US money. But I don't think any of us can really do anything else but I like this instrument at Dav the the Christian Church in Virginia Illinois I played there. I practiced there when I was a young girl and they were really sweet. They let me get a key and my father used to sit with me and be there. So I wasn't alone in the Church church but That's happened all over in the Little Town of Virginia Illinois they've had about twelve organised honest from say nineteen twenty through now that come out of this little town of seventeen hundred. I I think with the interest in historic instruments. We're seeing that churches are going to be able to perhaps Get their instrument. Restored IT SORTA hand-in-hand Lot of organised didn't stay with playing the instrument. Giving up there Sundays for something. There weren't going to get a lot of money for or they or the Church didn't take care of their instruments was falling down But we're finding that changing over the last. Maybe fifteen years there have been colleges that that have ramped up there Teaching of Instruments Square finding new organs. Going all over the place so It is an exciting adding time but one of the things that I'm hoping that we can do out of this project is to find organ can beltre's that are really interested in these early Oregon so the nineteen hundreds and being able to to hopefully get through Carnegie to see if they can help with the fund that we can also make another grant request to to help these people in the churches. That don't know where to go. Some sits way beyond tuning that we can have them sing again. Paula revenue talking with us about pipe. Organs say Andrew Carnegie helped make possible symbol from the churches and local centers. She says there were more than two hundred Illinois. She's working to find out. How many still exist? You can learn more at a website at state by True Dot Com uh in an attempt to alleviate Illinois severe teacher shortage state lawmakers last year removed a requirement known as the basic skills test test that tested proven to be a stumbling block especially for people pursuing the profession later in life as a second career the change enacted just five months ago. His his already opened the door for Kelly Makaay she spent the past eleven years working as a para professional or teacher's aide assisting students with special needs in east moline middle middle school when our education reporter Dusty Rhodes I interviewed her. Last spring. mcconaughey became emotional talking about her three attempts to pass the math portion of the test all to no avail. She sounded happier this week in a phone interview with dusty so this is your first day of student teaching. Yes and how did it go. I love this job. I've never loved job before I can honestly say and like this is a truly just so is so my thing I love it so you were parapro and then you were that longterm term sub for one semester. Yes so it was a pair of pro in that room for eleven years and and I wasn't in the same exact room but I was in the same program. It's the success program other schools would call that like Emotional behavior but we've changed the name to the success program because it's more positive in these. Are the kids that okay number one. They're middle school kids right so you're dealing with ones with emotional disability. Yeah I mean a lot of people say what are you do middle school. Oh and then they'll say well. What subject do you teach? And when I tell them they just think Oh oh Jeez. That's so hard you know. Well you know they think I'm so like a saint and I'm like Oh yes that's me I'm saying but honestly it's a great job to me. I like the small classes I like to help them with these basic core skills so they can move on with their lives and be successful and feel good about themselves. Holds what what is more valuable than that. This new law is what made this possible for you correct correct so I I remember telling. Can you with this law was coming down the pike that I was hearing that this was going to happen. I was hearing that. The you know they follow this legislation. and You well well. Why don't you articulate what your reaction was to my telling you that well it's hard for me to trust or have hoped because even even now it's still so traumatic? What was going on because I've been testing this process of me getting my license suspended? It's been two years of struggling and trying and You know testing and just to whole whole entire years. That's longtime to Try to get a license you know and I wanna say is that To test deciding everything is so it's too much it's it's like it's what is even the word for it to have one test. I decide your entire situation. It's too much pressure. and and why can't they just take my work. The essays that I've written the things that came directly from my head and directly from my own creative instincts instead of. Can I take all these boxes on these tests and it keeps going honestly because now I'm you know have to pass a GPA. which at least it's more of a holistic assignment? I'm actually using my skills so I would say that's at least relevant so the eleven years that you worked as a parapro parapro that counted for nothing. Right right I mean you have to be supervised by someone now right like when you were sub Iran. The classroom yourself right right. I had to do observations sixty hours of observations. I've observed thousands of hours but I'm trying not to complain. I'm really the grateful. Yes when you told me they were trying to put this legislation in place to allow me to move forward without one sixty question and test. Decide everything when I've proven through my college. My University that I know how to use strategies strategies like I know how to teach and I've learned a lot about how to teach and I've learned a lot from my experience. You seem like he didn't want to get your in hopes up. I didn't I mean I still don't honestly I still don't even though I'm in the final stages and I just have these projects to do. Oh and I could actually get my license. I'm still so what choice say traumatized I mean. It was so extreme. What I went through with the testing I? I can't get too excited. That was Kelly mcconaughey speaking with their education. Reporter Dusty Rhodes in order to focus on on preparing for her upcoming Ed. EP test McConnell is given a per time job ironically. She was a math tutor. That will wrap up this week. 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Agent Evaluation: Rich Paul/Klutch Sports; Daily COVID19 Roundup w/ Ben Taylor

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Agent Evaluation: Rich Paul/Klutch Sports; Daily COVID19 Roundup w/ Ben Taylor

"So this is the beginning of a project that we've been working on for a long time. Thanks to our director of basketball research and dull for helping to put together some of these numbers. What we're GONNA do is we're going to start doing reports on agents and ANC the best way to do that is to try to be as objective about it as possible now. Of course there's going to be subjectivity. That because you're whatever you're going to say oh this is a good contract. This is a bad contract. This agent did well this agent. Didn't you have to subjectively think of what? The market was the time whether those above or below expectations. Whether you got the player into a situation that was going to help them or not I mean all of that is very nebulous and so we're trying to make it as objective as we can by going through what the contracts are but clearly. There's going to be some opinion there but I think that Danny and I focus on this as much as anyone and if there is anyone qualified to do this we're going to try to stay away. Mostly from conjecture and bad mouth thing and just focus on the actual performance on things that are public for these agents. So what do you think here is? Is this possible earlier. We biting off more than we could chew or is this a realistic goal. I think it's a realistic aspiration. They're always going to be challenges. But the I think the idea behind this sound and an an important piece of context here and this is something we talk about a fair amount on the general manager sighed often to counterparts to agents is the duality where they D- agent does not have final. Say on whether or not to approve a specific contract but they do have influential power. So we've talked about how seeing prestige does a really good job convincing ownership of things and there are other GM's they can't get their underdo things agents or the same. Sometimes players make mistakes turning down lucrative offers sometimes they all those sorts of things and so I think we'll try to provide that context when applicable but again that is a part of the agents job is telling the hey this is a really good deal. Don't turn this down and they're not solely responsible but it's a part of their job. Yeah that's a great point there because you don't know what the internal dynamics are for team you don't know what it is in the agent side either did player turning it down because the told him to or is he doing it because someone else told to or because he has his own opinion that that's not what he wants to. You'd never know that. So basically we have a pretty good example of that in this in this podcast. Yes yeah we do and so now there are definitely people out there who are more informed as to that stuff. They're definitely people out there who are more informed as to Ohi. Maybe this at the other offers that this player had that kind of thing. Unfortunately there's a reason nobody else has tried this project before. And that is that most people. Frankly need agents Most reporters most people on teams You be hard pressed to find what else who even is willing to do this right now because nobody wants to upset agent somebody is going to have to be last in this when we finally go through and rank all these agents after doing these individual reports and so i. It's hard to do that obviously than with players and with teens but they are an important part of this and so kind of the criteria that I'm looking at here is if I had a close friend or a family member who was looking for. Nba Representation. How would I feel about having them? Go with this agent in particular. That's the overall approach that I am looking at this. Well and one other clarification. We're focusing on how that agent negotiates MBA contracts. There are a lot of other parts to being an HBO. Yeah that are that are not a part of this but considering that information is not public. It would be really hard to do that. Well and I mean that's that's another thing too. I mean for example like Draymond Green. I didn't think that Wasserman did a great job. Negotiating his five year. Deal with the warriors in twenty fifteen. I thought he he probably should be able to get the Max there and he did and so they didn't do that. Great of a job with that but if they're involved in his off court marketing which probably made up for whatever the shortfall was the warriors and then some they did an amazing jolly draymond green had much more profile than many other players who are equally as good as him in terms of getting commercials and endorsements and that kind of stuff so that part of it were not considering this is solely based on you are doing as far as NBA contracts trades strictly focusing on basketball here. So yeah that that is a very important distinction as well. Another important distinction. This isn't business school. This isn't an average. Gpa of three point three it same as we do with our offseason grades a C is not an insult. A see as you did about what was expected to be done and for a lot of players. You know. There's a MAC salary. There's a rookie scale. It's tough to do much better than average when the contracts are pretty much prescribed for you and so a C. average is like totally fine. That shouldn't be taken as insult. Many people will because you went to a school where the students were considered to be below average. But that's how we're doing that we're trying to do this with a normal distribution of contracts from. Yeah and there's another reason why you do that and this is I went to law school. Where a lot of times you don't do that is because that creates availability for for differentiation. If F every house the be range then. There isn't a lot to do it. But if you if you're running all the way from seat a in all the way down from C to f then you can do gradations a lot better. And that's part of the reason why we do it for off-season grades and everything else because if everybody's in a or B that you're not getting a you the listeners. Not Getting as much out of the only other issue that we have with this data set is sometimes. It is hard to put together. It's very easy to see who is with what agent. Now it is harder to see to find when players joined the agencies on times but even harder is players who have left the agency in gone somewhere else. I mean. This is a massive project where we're going to be. We've got hundreds of data points and so it is. It was a little bit cost prohibited to good through. Like if we're doing rich Paul. For example ever knows the Morris twins having left him but others. It's a it's a little bit harder to find that information so as we go through. We will try to do that. I think I have a pretty good handle and please if we missed one so let us know. I have a pretty good handle on when all of the players joined rich. Paul and Club Sports. So I'm not going to give him credit for contracts that were negotiated before then but as far as players who left there that he negotiated their countries. There aren't that many of those that I could find that were were big contracts so considering he as of now has twenty four players in the NBA. That's not going to really affect things. Too much is my hope. So that's what we're dealing with here. We're GONNA we got plenty of time now to go through and we're GonNa try and do you know at least ten or so of the major agents in agencies and as always when we start a new project feedback really appreciate it. Let us know if you think that this should be truncated. If it's not interesting just get straight to the rankings. Don't do each individual agent ways to make this clearer more interesting any more fair. Any of that We would definitely appreciate that feedback. We're trying to do the best job we can. With the information that's available but Any further information obviously is much appreciated. Okay quick break here and then we'll get to talking about some of how rich Paul has done for some of these individual clients so today's show is sponsored by the athletic. That's where Danny Rights. That's where my other podcast partner. John Hollinger writes. 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Don't get that /capspace your. I'll let them know that you came from us all right. I think it's fair. Let's go in alphabetical order here and there's also what I'm going to try to do is just give equal weight to all of these players now. Maybe if it's just. He's only negotiated one rookie scale contract for player. Me That deserves less weight than players that use negotiating second contracts for Because that's just it's not as difficult but you've got guys all up and down the spectrum and yeah you know it's great if he can negotiate a Max contract for some guys but we're trying to have this be almost a guide in some ways of who who would you wanna be going with and so it's not just the Max guys who matter in that. So how he does for continuous call will. Pope is just important as how he does for Lebron James. Let's start with dearest Bosley a rookie scale contract signed in two thousand nineteen. I thought that Paul. This is a little bit out of the criteria. We're talking about but did a good job of him paid for year while he skipped college that turn out to look like a pretty good decision and then to get him drafted twenty-third when he didn't play college basketball. I thought that was a pretty good performance. I gave an a minus for what he's done for badly so far. Yeah I think getting a guy getting a guy drafted in the unusual situation with Bazeley being new balance in turn. You know all that kind of stuff. I thought the putted well by him to me. Beasley is an interesting one. And this is a pattern. We've seen a couple of times with Paul. He joined rich. Paul in September of two thousand nineteen reports indicated that he had turned down a three year thirty million dollar extension before joining. Paul a lot of times when that happens I mean. There's no tampering rules when it comes to agents but I think it's a reasonable inference that if a player turns down a contract and then immediately joins another agent that that agent was probably encouraging him to turn down that contract even though he wasn't technically with them yet so I thought those a bad decision at the time to turn that down with the trade to Minnesota Beasley had a few games but was starting to look like he might beat that now. Of course you've got risk there as well and if let's say Beasley had just been stuck with Denver all year and Never. I mean he had a bad year with Denver if he just doesn't get traded and yet was not that was not a Paul engineer trade he wasn't the centerpiece of that or anything he was. It was included important. But the different type of thing. Yeah I mean maybe there's some stuff behind the scenes where Paul made it clear. He wasn't going to resign with GonNa make things difficult to me. They're more likely to want to move in. But that trade is Kinda saved that decision in some respects that. I didn't think that that was a great job. But now the trade. He may actually end up doing better than that. I'm not sure that that you know that could be outcome based decision making. I think he'll do better than three million dollars. In guaranteed guaranteed this off season but it tough to say that for sure and you could have had that for sure back then so I would say ultimately I would go with a C. minus for that could end up working out but I don't really like the process there. There's a lot of risk involved in a player who's not a clear starter for a team and I mean Denver. Denver could member what they wielded was match rights and so in a year that not many teams are going to have cap space so that could have gone really sour for Beasley. He has gotten paid yet. So I I agree with you. I might have even gone a little lower. Yeah well I guess the other thing too is. You don't know like maybe the players like Hey. I don't care about the money I wanna go somewhere where I can be a starter. He's got will Barton in Gary Harris in front of him in Denver. So maybe that was part of it too is just not wanting to be there anymore. That that's I don't know but yeah I I'm a speed the fact that he could actually work out A. I'm being a little more charitable. They're speaking of not wanting to be there anymore. Let's talk about what's up. 'cause he tweeted that Bledsoe is an interesting one. Let's go back. We can start in chronological order. You'll recall the summer of twenty fourteen. He was in the restricted. Free Agency. Dance WITH PHOENIX. He'd been traded. There is a longtime clutch client Plans had been traded there. The previous summer had a really Nice Europe but also suffered a knee injury and miss time but Phoenix had a really nice season. It seemed like at the time that they were really on the come there. They're going to be moving into at least a period of time a playoff contention. That obviously didn't end up happening and ultimately he ended up signing a five-year seventy million dollar deal though. Max was five for eighty that year but the key element that I think got Phoenix to sign. This was the news of the TV deal came out that September and so he then ended up signing it but it looked like he probably I would say was a little bit underpaid for what the thought of what he was going to. I mean I think people were thinking is GonNa be Kinda close to all star player Throughout his time in Phoenix and was still improving that sense. I thought the five for seventy while taking the qualifying offer would have been bad. And I'm sure Phoenix Move. Their offer up part of the reason they did that is because they knew the salary cap was. GonNa be exploding and so ultimately I think to be in the restricted free agent process. Get a five year seventy million dollar deal in certainly Lebron. James was toasting with him on social media. At the time that it was a really good deal. I don't think it was. I think it was pretty much pretty average. As of that time they had to fight to get it. So maybe a C plus on that particular deal with. What are your thoughts on that? That's a tough one degree because of all those factors that I was that I just alluded to. I think that's about right. One of the interesting questions with that. Contract is whether buds would have rather become a free agent earlier you know with the especially once the TV deal exploded. Take it still a lot of money if it would have been four years at the same annual rate. Maybe the sons weren't willing to do that. But that is a lot of money secured and all that and there was blood says first big contract so yeah. I think in in the in the C. Plus B. Minus Rangers. Where would have been then? He recently signed a four year. Seventy million dollars the timing on this recently I think is important. News before the twenty thousand nine playoffs. Yes yeah so I. I gave that one a beat. I thought the solid value. Now it's not fully guaranteed Let Me Dolecek. And how much of that is guaranteed thanked the last year's mostly non-guaranteed but but the piece of context that I think is important. There is why I said it was because Biz was the before the two thousand eighteen playoffs is remembered that bledsoe of an important part of that great eighteen nineteen and then obviously the nineteen twenty bucks teams. He was awful in the two thousand eighteen playoffs and getting the bucks to commit to him when Malcolm Brogdon was about to hit restricted free agency of eventually sort of in a way choosing bledsoe over brogden getting that commitment of four years seventy million. That's the full value of the contract getting that before the playoffs before that crispell. I thought that was in many ways. The best part of rich Paul's negotiating there. I thought the bucks got a predeceased until the tires. The last year is only four. Million Dollars Guaranteed. So it's really four years. Fifty five million guaranteed in total now given bledsoe's age. I think that that's reasonable. But I mean he was getting lower. End All Star Buzz with the box. You know what the playoffs we're GONNA look like. It ended up being disappointing playoffs for him. But so that's one that maybe didn't look as great at the time but I also appreciate the idea that he was about to be a free agent is between nineteen. I I appreciate the idea of getting something. That was guaranteed at that. Point reducing the risk. And that's when we're maybe it was just he wanted to be Milwaukee Hughes listening to what the player wanted. There's some injury risk with blood so as wall and you didn't know what was going to look like the point guard market in the summer of two thousand nineteen so this is maybe a discount off of what he potentially could've gotten in free agency but I I kind of liked the idea. I of more. My general philosophy is to be more err on the side of caution basically I would say with extensions and getting aid ninety percent of the money but getting guaranteed extension instead of having to wait until you either. The vagaries of the market of your own performance could bump that down. This wasn't like a steal of a deal for Milwaukee Prius. Maybe getting more of that last year guaranteed would have been nice but ultimately I think especially because I think Paul is Kinda aired too far away from the burden the hand at other Times Eigh. I gave this one a B. I thought this was a solid value. What do you think I agree with that? And I think that the twenty thousand market would have been challenging for Bledsoe because the bucks you know. They've they've whether the decision would have been different in that circumstance. I it very well could have been but remember how long it took to settle and maybe bledsoe would have found a spot. Gotten Dini Green Slot with the Lakers. Let's say another a client going to the Lakers. Wouldn't have been that huge surprise but it's not like the money there would have been significantly better so I don't know if that would if that's really what it would bend. And obviously the Lakers were trying for something else and if they get why then there's not really much of a chance for bledsoe anywhere so it would depend very risky for him especially with the uncertainty the bucks so. I think locking it up early especially before that playoffs was was a very good decision. This one's pretty simple miles bridges rookie scale contract got drafted number twelve. That's right about the rains that he was supposed to be in so gave him ended up going to Charlotte gave him a a C for that. Nothing really positive or negative to say in direction on that one. Yep that's totally fine. Now we can move to win. That's way more complicated I read it. So we're we go back to here. Is the summer of two thousand seventeen? Over that December twenty sixteen was the crazy summer and inferior players to contiguous call. Will Pope got a lot more money? Ready to Kent Moore was probably good. Analog he was getting four for seventy two the Pistons offered him five for eighty essentially and he didn't take it now. I at the time being a big case. Be Stan thought that those the right move to not take that and as it turned out he absolutely should have taken now. He hit with the Lakers. He ended up going there and getting it to seventeen million that year than it was twelve million the next year and then it reduced again to one plus one for sixteen point six million but the reality is now you know we're four years into would have been that five year eighty million dollar deal and he's not going to get anywhere close to that and that's with him not getting hurt all to during that time period and so it really. It was an gritted. I was right there with rich Paul on this one I understood. Why turn that down? But I was wrong and he was wrong. So that's one where I I gave him an F. Plus on that because it was understandable but I he and I were both very wrong on that one and so I still you can say that he's recovered. Somewhat in the context of what the market has been to get caldwell-pope some of the contracts that he has gotten since then. But is you're still dealing with the fact that you turn down at five for for Eighty. We're only going back to contracts here too but that still doesn't look good. I went with an F. plus I were Since last year contract a couple of things to note with Casey P he did get the the choice involved in having that many contracts but there weren't that many teams with cap space so we got to be there and and one worth considering. Is that now especially with him? Being part of Clutch on the Lakers is that that the the Lakers have bird rights. It's possible that he ends up getting paid more on the next contract depending on. How Rob Lincoln? The Lakers are seeing their books. Moving forward so there's a chance changes significantly soon if Casey ends up getting overpaid. But that hasn't happened yet right. And it's not GONNA be sixteen million a year. That seems very very unlikely. Given and that's what it would have been obviously pfeiffer eighty that they turned out but I I was thinking at the time that he should be getting like five hundred and that was overly rosy colored by twenty sixteen and a lot of people made that mistake of thinking that it would be two thousand sixteen forever once twenty sixteen happened and that that obviously was anthony. Davis Paul is not negotiating contracts Shea who used to have them September twenty. Eighteen is when Davis Change over the rich Paul but I gave rich Paul and a because actually skip gorge during carswell about second but I gave rich pollinate because he got eighty two lakers. That's exactly what he wanted. Yeah I think that's fair. One challenge of this in terms of evaluating from an agent perspective. Is that bird? Rights are less valuable with Max player. Who might take a short term contract if eighty I wrote a whole piece on this for the athletic laying out his cadre options if he wants to go short term. Then getting to the Lakers early. He's on the Lakers. This year. You get all that lined up. They they might not have had cap space but it is still valuable because they have is bird rights. He's there already all that sorta stuff. Okay no time for another break here and we'll talk about more of these rich clients with Spring cleaning on the horizon. It's the perfect time to replace that Lumpy old couch or the Sofa. That you're gonNA love from borough. I love my Bro. It's quite durable. Beautiful mid-century designed the cats run over all the time it still is held up great over the last two years. Do the thing I love about. It is its modular. He can start off with a love seat sized and you can add to it. 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So Jordan Clarkson change the rich Paul in June twenty nineteen so ritual is yet to negotiate a contract for him. He was traded to Utah. I don't think rich Paul really had much to do with that So Clarkson was Previously with Octagon. We'll we'll talk about the four year fifty million dollar deal that he signed when we get to the Octagon Turns Ferguson. Seems like Bah is a pretty good relationship with okay. Ceecee some his clients. This is another one where rookie scale contract. Twenty first overall. Pick back in two thousand seventeen. I gave this one a B. Plus he was in Australia got paid which I will certainly take over the NCAA and getting drafted twenty first about kind of where he was supposed to go but to get him. They're in a nontraditional pathways. Also getting paid was solid so Give that a. B. Plus the those solid work for him. It was for me a little bit different because I was getting recruited. By some blue-chip Schools Arizona was on his radar at the time. So I think he couldn't. There's a thought he couldn't qualify. That's the case then obviously going to go data late. It was a good decision dirtiest Garland I gave this one in eight to to get a guy drafted fifth who played four games the previous in and wasn't supposed to even be considered in that level as a player before he got injured at the start of year. Pretty good so that. That's that's pretty much straight away from me on that one draymond green switch over to clutch in March of Twenty nineteen signed a four year. Nine million dollar extension fully guaranteed last offseason. Now is the cooling quote Max Extension. Sorry Richard It. You don't get any extra points here for getting the reporters to refer to it as a Max extension when yes it was the maximum he could have gotten but no is not close to the Mac Salary. So good try there. Driven in theory could have waited longer. Could've extended you could have qualified with all defensive player of the year. Ha ha ha as it turned out but we didn't know that at the time To sign over a two hundred million dollar contract could have signed a five-year deal up to the Max. With the warriors had he waited he was limited in the amount of attention because of his previous deal at five year. Eighty two million dollar deal that he signed with Wasserman but I actually. I gave this A. B. Because I think Jerry wanted to stay. Anka's a good example of listening to the client. Maybe an indication again that I mean. Draymond is is very Very vocal about it. What he wants I think also but it I thought this was good to get the warriors usually kinda get their power to flash To agree to this it was. I think it was a good compromise for all parties. But I like just the fact that it wasn't they could easily have been seduced by the idea of just massive riches and getting the the largest possible extension. And Oh man. Can I the optics of this when I could be getting way? More are bad but as it turned out that was a great idea. Because I don't think he if he were going to be a free agent this year I don't know if he gets one hundred million guaranteed. I think it's very unlikely. Would I would go even higher for a couple of reasons one. The risk mitigation mean dream on. Draymond was getting older. You know like so as we're recording this he's just turned thirty and the market didn't really bear out but also remember that he got a player option on that last year. And that's something you talked about the pound of flesh that something that worries very rarely give out and could end up being useful for him. You know on my expectation based on how dream on his plate. This year is that he will pick it up and just go with it but theoretically if he were doing better or he could opt out and do whatever he wanted there yeah. I think. Those veteran extension negotiations. Those are tough ones. I I do give a lot of credit when the team the player able to get that done mantras Herald. Don't have much to say about him yet. Because his last concert he actually left Clutch in June of twenty eighteen. Joined drew Rosenhaus his agency and then returned to clutch enjoyed twain. Nine hundred I thought Roseanne's agency did a pretty good job to get him two years twelve million as a restricted free agent. At the time. And it's GonNa pay offer him to that. It was only two years instead of three. But May I don't know whether Herald would just wasn't happy with that or whatever but now he's back with clutch and previously when he was with glut us the thirty second overall pick back in twenty fifteen and got a pretty normal contract to for that type of player. So there's a thought he could be drafted in the first round. So I I gave them a little bit. Below average there With the C minus but not really a ton of data And as it turned out who is good for him that he ended up being drafted in the second round but ever wants to be drafted in the first round if they can't Taylor Horton Tucker is basically a see for me. Drafted forty six overall To the Lakers and got a two year deal was good that he got guaranteed money in the second year. That a lot of that. Yeah Yeah so actually. I should bump that up. That's probably A. It's probably a beat binding sexually to be picked forty six. I don't really had a really great idea of him. Being supposed to go higher. Something like that. Lebron James. I gave this A. B. for his three plus one with the Lakers. If only because I thought they just managed the PR of his. Move to the Lakers. Extremely well there. Just wasn't the backlash that there was more that helped of course that he won a championship in Cleveland. But it didn't seem like anyone was mad that he left at that point and he did. It didn't do some big decision thing announced it early so there wasn't too much resentment about making everyone. Wait so that that was definitely a good job with that and then His previous deal was to plus one for one hundred million maximum and give them a be there as well because just to not lock in for too long and get out of Cleveland when he wanted to get out so that was all. They did a solid job from there. Obviously Lebron is a big part of his own destiny but we're trying to be as objective about this weekend. I thought that those those contracts were both good for Lebron Audrey Cory Joseph. Three Years. Thirty seven million. But the last year largely non-guaranteed was his guaranteed money in that last year. Four million guaranteed so overall it was about twenty eight million guaranteed over three years three years. Thirty seven million in total I e. That's a solid solid. B Plus. Yeah he's looking good for Joseph after after your one. Yeah 'cause because he's really struggled to those back I'd be for any non starter to get. That kind of money is pretty good. Then he did well with an equivalent contract in the summer of twenty s fifteen to sign a three year. Forty million dollar deal when I say equivalent based on what? The salary cap was at that time. He also is a restricted free agent. They got San Antonio withdraw the qualifying offer so he could sign that got traded to Indiana in in the middle of that deal but I I gave that a solid. I should go higher on that I think that's a a solid B. pluses wall so Very good job for Cory Joseph. Who's been with them for a long time? Trey lyles this one. I think they haven't really done a good job for him. I mean you could go all the way back to Denver Right. Because he's he's been a longtime clutch client to now. He did get traded to from UTAH. Denver In the Mitchell deal and had a major role in Denver at times shooting. The ball really well. You got traded. After his second year those actually now lyles was like a little bit of a Malcontent in Utah. His second year when they acquired Diani wasn't really playing so in some ways. Maybe it was a good job to get him traded to Denver where he would play more but then I thought were really went. Wrong was an I give him a d. Overall for this was not taking whatever extension offered Denver. I do know that they made him in extension offer. I don't know how much it was. But I'm guessing they're probably would have been more guaranteed money than five and a half million in whatever that accent should offer was and that's what he ended up having to take a two years eleven million second year non-guaranteed and remember that was largely as a response to the to the Marcus Morris Fiasco. Yeah Yeah I be. Who knows even that offer would have been there for him. Had the Marcus Morris thing not happen so yeah? I initially getting drafted twelve. That's right about where he was supposed to go. So that that contract give see too but this was I I actually. I might even go a little bit lower. I think a D. might not be harsh off. I think a D. minus the more I think about it. is probably warranted. Because I mean to get five and a half million. And it's not like he's played so well in San Antonio and this is one where they just and this could partially be the player to but they just completely overvalued where he was that at just about every single possible sir. Ben macklemore became a clutch clients in November of twenty fourteen previously been with Roddy blackstone chronologically as a restricted free agent in Sacramento. He was able to get out of there and sign a two year deal. Fully GUARANTEED WITH MEMPHIS to year. Ten points of a million. I thought that given where he was in his career that was a pretty good contract for him to get it was a decent risk for Memphis. Kazu's Kinda the second draft guy but as it turned out macklemore. Couldn't help the grizzlies at all. So I went for an a minus on that particular contract agree And then I think even his deal with Houston two years four point. Three million very little was guaranteed only about five hundred thousand but given where. Michael Moore. How fringy who was at that point even getting that was good and then to have it. Be a little bit more to Than the minimum. I thought that was a solid effort. Thurs Wall yeah and also part of being an agent for lower level clients which is not what Sacramento envision for Makomo or Makomo for himself when he was drafted is putting them two chances to succeed and I thought that Makamure on Houston team. Where he doesn't have to dribble is a very good? Are we go bit more to get to Nerlens? Noel will be A complicated one Ben Simmons Tristan Thompson John Wall Red with us. Indochino was not just the official outfitter of my wedding but also gasoline from there for my sister's wedding as well. 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I think he would have been disappointed with that at that time it most. I think there are a lot of people. Talk About Him. Going in the teens. That in two thousand sixteen draft but then to sign a four year. Sixty four million dollar deal in an extension rookie scale extension this year. That I thought was sawed worker. I gave that a B. Given that he was coming off the tornado Seattle. I don't think he's like head such a good year this year that he's outperformed that number will and going back either rich. Paul couldn't have known all of this at the time but the market for teams with Cap Space. Looking for point guards is really rough so that it would have largely been Paul negotiating against tonio potentially threatening to use the qualifying offer and now it's been really tough. Yeah this is going to be a rough market. I think not as bad as twenty eighteen but still pretty bad. This one is maybe the biggest stain on rich. Paul resume to me Straight off on Nerlens Noel. In the summer of twenty seventeen Noel was with happy walters. It was a five year. Seventy million dollar deal. Many sources have reported that that he was offered before free agency began from the Mavericks other reporting is indicated that walters was encouraging him to take that and then Burlington well did not take it and then he signed with rich Paul. So it's again I think it's a reasonable inference and that rich Paul was saying. Hey don't take this. Take the qualifying offer. I can get you more. And he took the qualifying offer and he's been on minimum contracts ever since and the other part of this. I mean obviously turned down the five seventy in Getting minimum contracts is bad enough but he played pretty well and some of those minimum contracts and then only got minimum contracts after that too. Yeah I mean that was just not not having an understanding of the center market and by many accounts no all his is not the easiest guy in the world to deal with but clearly rich. Paul told him something which was along. The lines of you can get more than five for seventy and that That did not appear to be the case. May I? I shouldn't say clearly. We don't know that for absolute shore but I that is a very reasonable inference. Yousef Nerkez nothing really to say on him. He joined the In October of Twenty nineteen his previous agent. Kind of messed things up a little bit. There is a five year sixty five million dollar offer. I think that was reported in an extension from Portland. He ended up getting four years. Forty eight million with the last year only partially guaranteed so that that was not as good. Maybe it might have even been four year. Sixty five million Yeah would have been if it was an extension so that was obviously not a very good job there. Ben Simmons Gave Him A. I mean he was always going to go first overall so thousand see and then the rookie stale extension just to a C. Plus on that one. Five hundred and seventy million to get that done right at the start of free agency with without much haggling But I mean I could. You could talk me into just a regular. C. There too and Simmons did not get a player option. He did get a fifteen percent trade bonus which is nice. But it's yeah I might go a little bit higher but I've I've been you know I thought that was maybe a little bit more risk investments free agency but not that much risk. Yeah knocking not getting the player option but I mean now with this back thing too. I mean that's why you signed these accenture exactly. I mean higher but I thought it was a fair compromise. You know the the team did well if you're asking for the four plus one and I'm the team I'm like okay. Well why would we do this? Why when we'd just go to restricted free agency at that point Jr Smith four years? Fifty seven million is what he signed in two thousand sixteen that ended up being figured they had this weird situation where they're waiting for like two or three months and so finally they agreed on at the last year was non guaranteed is only about two point nine million guaranteed and then. Smith ended up getting stretched this year after not playing it all last year. I think so now he doesn't have a contract. He's been unsigned. I didn't they didn't do a very good job with managing that situation again. Jr not the easiest to get along with the Times but to not to get him in a situation where he was on Cleveland's roster all year he wasn't playing because they wanted to maybe try to trade him because reverence grandfathered in a previous. Cba So he actually was one of those players where he had a low guarantee number but he could counted as full salary. They've taken that away. The Bay or Cleveland wanted to hold onto him. He doesn't play it all all year and then heads. Up unsigned because dixies headache. Andi can't play anymore. They needed to figure out a way that he could behave. Still be playing so he could get some market value and you know he might just be done. Who knows but I? I gave him a deep for the work after that contract because yeah Tristan Thompson finishing out a five-year e two million dollars a year. This is another one that went after the cavs between fifteen finals appearance went way into October. They actually let the qualifying offer expire which we thought it would be a problem but they also needed Tristan Thompson that year. Eventually they did all that to just bump up the deal by like another two billion or so report. I think they offered him. It was reported. They offer them five. Eighty and the first year first day of free agency and finally they kind of didn't have any leverage but got another two million just to avoid Dilemna save face and those are good deal. Though ultimately I mean they had to leverage the cavs needed. I thought it ended up being a fair deal. Thomas the same money as Draymond Green. Yeah Yeah what supposedly. Actually it was. That report from Thompson led to dream on signing his deal. Then Thompson didn't actually end up signing it but I thought they did well there especially because they turned down a far less lucrative extension offer those in like the ten million dollar a year range in the summer of Twenty Fourteen. The fall of twenty fourteen and so to then get that much more that ended up being a gamble. That really worked out so a that. I went with An e minus for the whole deal Tristan Thompson very much on board with that. I thought he did well. And we don't know what extension offers were on the table this year. But I'm guessing Cleveland wasn't offering anything crazy so I tried researchers. I'm pretty sure that the N. Witter's was with rich Paul back in the summer of two thousand seventeen but I couldn't one hundred percent. Confirm that because they're a bunch of other reports that were like clogging up my google searches but four years fifty. Two million that worked out great previously. They signed a one year deal of Miami. That worked out great as well because he was able to really improve his body the the heat culture at least worked for him for a year until he Then began to Chafe a little. But for your fifty. Two million for dion waiters based on basically like forty good games. That was pretty good ultimately so that was I gave that a solid B plus last one ear. John Wall when you how could you give? Yeah Yeah we this is. I always joke with with people about this where it's like. Hey when we're saying it's a bad contract for the team. You probably got to get the agent a pretty good great so A pure a for this one Also got a trade kicker also a player option. Yes you know as I think about my pickup but still visit was worthwhile cowardice on a pluses. I think you should give him an Airbus while I the reason I can't do that is because I'm doing putting these grades numerically into my sheets so I can average them and so a four a four as high as I can go okay But yeah I mean this one. And this is a situation to where they got the designated player Accenture Booz two years before he was going to be a free agent. He qualified for it. But I mean they. Basically got the wizards to give them the no-brainer everything. You possibly can and That maybe wasn't a no brainer. There's another kind of no brainer but not like an easy decision. Kind of no brainer. As as true as things turned out that this looks a lot worse for the wizards than it did at the time. But we still had major questions about it at the time this is. This is the summer of two thousand seventeen right after the the new. Cba came in So yeah now. That was good job. And he had John Wall had left from the late Dan fielding to join Clutch in January of Twenty sixteen. Some of that was On dude some walls frustration with his shoe issues But that's that again is not part of this exercise so art that's That they'll kind of do it for for rich. Paulista going through the individual players his average. Gpa is a two point four so pretty decent I think some of the commentary that I've gotten just a asking around which again I'm trying not to put very much weight on but I think it's worth discussing That he is one of the best agents to have. If you're a Mac sky that he is pretty skilled at using pulling the levers of power and getting guys where they WANNA be. I think the the track record with Davis and Lebron that has been pretty clear so far is another example of that my advice. If you have an offer on the table and rich Paul tells you that you can get more would be. Don't listen to them. We'll see if that happens with Bolivia especially if you're in a in a restricted free agency situation and I'm sure there are many agents in. That's the number one thing you're going to say is you're trying to poach someone is a. I can get you more But that's a that's hopefully you can have a little bit more independent. Generally generally my thought would be if your players if your agent tells you to take something you probably should that especially if you're you haven't made a lot of money in your career yet you know it's one thing if you've already made sixty million bucks in you've got a tolerance for risk and you. WanNa really try and break the bank. But yeah if you're talking about like a rookie scale contract coming off of that you've got a nice eight figure deal in front of you. It's especially if you're not like a clear superstars something so yeah. That's an Paul to to defend him. Certainly that two thousand sixteen seventeen timeframe does a very difficult time for everyone to anticipate the market because there is just so much yoyoing and I. It was people. Were underestimate how much space there'd be. Twenty sixteen than two thousand. Sixteen was such a bonanza that people thought that would be the case in the future in part because the league salary CAP estimates ended up being inaccurate because there is so much twenty six thousand spending so a lot of a lot of agents a lot of teams struggled it in that area but I mean his two biggest mistakes prior Casey and New Orleans and both happened in that summer of two thousand seventeen Art I think that that can be the end here anything. You need to talk about forego yeah Earlier on Thursday recorded and released the real. Jim Radio PODCASTS. For this week. With Ethan Sherwood. Strauss talked about his upcoming book. The victory machine. I wanted to read the entire thing before we talked about it so we we went into some some without spoiling anything from it when I went into some detail. And also because it's the two of US got into the high eighty s and some of the rating stuff and everything else. But it was a great conversation. Yeah I'm not listen to that because I want to read the book I I think for those who are I because I was going to read it anyway for those who are on the fence though. I'm sure he does a great job of explaining why it's so also in the conversation that he and I had to. It's going to be pretty pretty good book. I'll be I'll be waiting until the official release date to re like everyone else so that'll do it. Here stay tuned. Got Ben Taylor onto do are at least semi daily covert nineteen update. Thanks to all those who have given US feedback. And let's bring in Ben Right now. Are Bennett is here now. We're we're GONNA start with our mostly daily cove nineteen roundup and if this is your first time listening to us. We're basically trying to read as much news as we can probably spent five six hours a day doing reading on this out of Ben how. How much time have you been spending on it? I I have an IV at this point. Nate I just put it in my arm when I wake up No it's it's a lot. It's it's a lot to take in in the morning and at night and as I said last time I'm trying to also keep up with anything that's either published or pre pre pre printed in I. I tend to read a lot of journals. And things like that. So I it's a steady dose and things are happening fast and that's the nature of you know being in the in the middle of a global pandemic and so hopefully we can help make some sense of that and presented in a clear way. Thanks to all of you who gave feedback by the way as well as that was really useful. It seems like people want us to keep doing it. We had a few people say. Hey I don't mind if you put it at the end I'm not gonNA listen to it because I want to. Just listen to you guys to escape but we totally understand the to not gonNA take it personally but it seems like people enjoyed this and so I mean as much as you can enjoy it. That's the wrong word to use but found it useful So we're going to keep trying to do this Let's get started with the the news today. What stuck out the most to you over the last twenty four hours or so since we recorded. Oh I think the The hot spots in the United States that are now starting to pop up specifically things that are happening in New York There's also WORD COMING OUT OF DETROIT. That hospitals are being overrun their and their capacity. And just so sort of finally seeing that that breaking point arrive here domestically after seeing these same patterns in other places in the world and Italy and in Spain that that's probably been the biggest one for me to see in the last day or two New York. There'd been some positive evidence cold days before things might be slowing but then there was a big increase in hospitalizations in the earth. There now over six thousand people hospitalized after we'd seen some slower growth for two days after that New Orleans now has the highest per capita death rate of all Americans that's Orleans parish which parishes what they call county in Louisiana and Detroit is not looking good either. Yeah so I saw one study printed by the New York Times that basically said the growth rate down in New Orleans. Louisiana is the fastest of anywhere right now and I. I guess the big concern from just a practical real life standpoint is. They had MARDI Gras a couple of weeks ago. and that of that of course would be A magnify or for transmission. So that's taking place down there And then in Detroit specifically in you know like it actually doesn't take too much to overrun hospital when you start thinking about the numbers that are coming in And so I've even seen that online where you know there are some people on social media. Saying I don't get it. We're only talking about a few dozen or a few hundred cases Well if they're concentrated in an area there is a a nurse out of Oakland County Who had a viral video talking about? Basically how they're out of things like Tylenol How you know. The the custodial staff has to be sort separated. And so who's picking up the extra things in hospital They don't have the proper medication to even into bait patients. If they want to put him on ventilators so these are the kinds of things that start to occur on the ground that are very real that that overrun the hospitals. And then you know. People cannot get lifesaving care that they need. Yeah and I've also seen some disturbing story. The Sacramento Bee had an article today talking about Rural California hospitals than it's much the same in rural areas a lot of people under the impression while. Okay don't be in a city because you're not around a bunch of people and you know that's that will prevent you from suffering the outbreak because in cities density going to trial from person to person more often There's something to that but the problem is that in rural areas especially the a lot of these hospitals are close to being underwater financially. Anyway you know if you have three. Icu beds in whole hospital. With some of these places if you get a car crash with four people. That's like a huge rush all of a sudden because they just don't have the capacity on a day-to-day basis. And so certainly. It's possible that some rural areas could get spared you the lack of density and just the lack of travel to and from those areas. But if you do get hit at all like that might be one of the worst places to be ultimately. Yeah and and you know to to nerd out. It's the average of thing does not represent the distribution so in New York City. For instance. Once you start to have a lot of cases come in If you get hit in one particular area more than another the average or the total number might not necessarily convey how hard that single community got. Hit it was. I guess I have it here. Elmhurst hospital You Know Mayor de Blasios. New York was saying that they had thirteen deaths in twenty four hours. I mean this is You know these are. These are huge things that if they're concentrated into single area can completely strain the hospital service in that area. Yeah and we really haven't seen much so far in the way of any kind of mobile resources which would probably need to be coordinated at the federal level in some states are big enough. Maybe that you can do that yet. Let me let me hop in on that nate. Actually because they're sending two navy medical ships out to duty The the US NS COMFORT is being sent to New York City. So these are these are basically giant floating hospitals. They have like a thousand beds. They have typically over a thousand medical staff One is being sent to New York. The other actually just arrived here in Los Angeles this morning as of recording. This and the idea I guess. In both cases is they're going to serve as hospitals and and you know beds and medical care and all this stuff for people who do not have cove nineteen so they can isolate those patients. You know. That's such a big deal. is contamination and so they can take all those patients they can read all those patients. If you're if you're in a car accident or something in New York and theory you might be taken To to a floating hospital instead of a a land bound hospital. Yeah and I think that that's something that not necessarily in ship form but those sorts of separation so they are going to need to start happening and more capacities can have to get built in somehow. I I wanted to shift now to the idea that many have been talking about. Obviously how we're going to reopen. How long is this going to take? And I think it's important to set our expectations. So there's a new study that came out today from the University of Washington that I kind of view it as a best case scenario essentially that it looks at the what would happen if all states adopt and continue to adopt stringent social distancing. What do we have in terms of number of cases being able to reopen the country in theory and that concluded obviously there are some pretty big error margins on these studies. That as there should be there so much uncertainty especially. Because we don't know exactly how. Well social distancing is working but it seems to be getting to the point now where it has flattened the curve in Washington so far. This study indicates that in Washington. They're not expecting. That issues. Are going to be overloaded over the next couple months. If social distancing can be maintained of course that is a huge F I think Washington has done a good job so far and their leadership seems to get it But it's not necessarily the case for the rest of the country. But in the best case scenario where we maintain social distancing as as we need to really get this under control they project that about eighty one thousand people in the US would die by the first July fourteen hundred in Washington state. Yeah I mean it's it's and that is a scenario where we've got all this in place flat in the curve And there's some range in that projection. They're sort of error bands or anywhere between forty and one hundred sixty thousand deaths but I think it I think it at least puts into perspective the severity and sort of widespread nature. That would be something that would be considered almost a success Just looking at the graph here in the background from their modeling without getting into their modeling or anything like that the assumptions they're essentially making as we start to level out the curve and it still takes time to level out the curve You know we're always going to be a few weeks behind. Before we take any measures there are different measures That are being taken sort of a temporary around the country you know one city in the West Coast shuts down a couple of days later. Another one on the east coast. And so the idea if you look at the model is basically as we roll to the end of. May We slow things down but by the end of May when we slow things down were very quickly just because of exponential growth going to be you know somewhere between forty and one hundred and fifty thousand deaths in some of that is just the sheer population of the country but it also puts into perspective that you know the these are? This is what we're dealing with here. This is what we're trying to You know sort of keep at bay. Yeah and the other important thing to note here. Is that even enter this again? Kind of I'm sitting in the best case scenario because this model assumes that we're going to have social distancing enacted everywhere effectively over this whole time. I don't think that that is necessarily a realistic assumption. Given the the political realities right now but again under this scenario restrictions need to continue into late. May or early June and that's in Washington. The rest of the country realistically is probably behind Washington. As far as locking things down there one of the first to close schools for example they had the worst outbreak initially And again under this kind of best case scenario the forecast that hospitalizations generally gonNA peak mid April April early. May with sixty four thousand more patients than licensed hospital beds nationwide as our capacity currently is at a shortfall in ICU. Beds at about seventeen thousand. And that's nationwide to now if you have hot spots like New York City and you can't bring more resources to bear transportation elsewhere and move from high capacity or a move from high incidence areas to where there's extra capacity than that could end up being even worse because you know you're just not having the distribution of care that matches with two patients and I think I mean. This is all very morbid but I think the thing. That's really worthwhile for me to take away from this or maybe to convey out is is a setting expectations and then be understanding. You know there's a lag and things Even even large extreme measures take some time and then having having a perspective of like well if we don't take those measures Things will get very very very ugly. I mean as you said this is a projection with Most if not all of these measures slowly coming into place in the next few weeks. Yeah and of course if you do reopen though too soon that it's under control enough that we can. You'RE NOT GONNA get infections down to zero at that point in June July. But at least would hopefully have the resources to trace contacts and isolate new cases enough so that the rest of society could continue to function on some kind of level. Of course that doesn't include potentially people coming in from other places now that we're doing so much better than ever else where we can even begin talking about like oh. We got to prevent people coming in from elsewhere. They should probably be more concerned about us. Going there at this point So that that's just I think to me. My baseline is just as I'm thinking about this and trying to plan my life that this is going to need to go on until at least mid June and again. That's an optimistic scenario. There may be other people who are willing to go out. I'm kind of thinking until the things really under control. I'm not going to be doing that. to the the method accent possible. Well it's a marathon I mean that's th there's there's no doubt about it it's a marathon and whether that involves radical change on the scale of months or whatever This thing all the experts say that this thing is going to be around for a while. The idea of a vaccine coming very quickly. is extremely unlikely if not impossible. So it's it's looking like it's going to be a marathon not a sprint. Yeah and perhaps they'll find some already existing drugs that actually work and you know they'll actually be enough testing to show that they work And when they can be used at especially as a prophylactic that's that seems pretty far away but maybe that could happen or the use of antibodies from recovered patients. Maybe that again can slow the spread of this. Make it so. It's not as bad to get this thing etc Let's turn to the world with the incredible news that Boris Johnson Prime Minister in the UK has the virus and the fifty five year. Old Johnson will now be working from home he will be joined in working from home not physically in the same place but He will also be working from home their Health Secretary Matt Hancock. So that's that's pretty incredible. The the leader of one of the biggest nations in the world now has the virus. Yeah I mean I. I don't know if it was impossible to predict per se. He had he. He was talking about interacting with patients Recently and and you know being close to them and shaking hands and things like that. But it's still as as as I said in the last episode. I mean this is the kind of thing that is not going to Only select the common person. It's just also going to hit celebrities world leaders things like that and it's more likely to hit them right. They're coming in contact with more people. I would think so. Yeah as throw in the fact that the people who are more likely to get this originally were people who were traveling. Generally those are people of means who are are more likely to travel around in the circle you know. Nba players was other one rights. That's part of why they're also so high risk and Iran Did just had so many secretaries affected by this right away as well so yeah I mean it. It is All said it's still. It's still pretty shocking news and we'll probably have more stories like that going forward Wanted to talk a little bit more about. Brazil is probably too Glib in our last episode. with joking a little bit about their president but There are actually. I mean kind of in similar fashion to us. There are things that are being done there. The governor of Sao Paulo as a fifteen day quarantine in place that runs until April seventh. Only essential services remain operational The State of Rio de Janeiro close beaches bars restaurants for fifteen days Those have the largest number of cases so they are. There are actually measures. That have gone into effect there. There's been some conflict between the president and the regional authorities but Brazil. Twenty nine hundred cases and seventy seven deaths. That is the most in Latin America second most is a Chile with sixteen hundred confirmed case only five deaths which which is interesting that the always kinda raise my eyebrows a little bit when you see a big disparity in either direction from the the normal death rate the well so when you see that People may be wondering why you see that and and the like simplest I answer is that everyone is in playing by the same rules. So if you test if one country test people that are only in a high risk population and symptomatic Then you're going to have a certain number of positive tests relative to your hospitalizations fatalities and if you are just testing people indiscriminately I guess. Iceland now is just trying to basically test their entire population So you'll see those different numbers and then the second thing to consider their that always happens. Is it takes time Not just for people to contract the virus but if you have a fatality that takes a certain number of days typically run its course you have to catch it. You have to become symptomatic And then it takes a certain amount of time before you typically follow this path of getting into the hospital And then things turn really south so that will change those numbers as you get more data but that's just always something to keep in. Mind that when you look at those big boards. We're not comparing apples to apples with every country especially early on and we'll talk more about that a little bit later on we get to the problem of a symptomatic carriers elsewhere. A the defense secretary in the Philippines who's These one source referred to as the second most powerful man in the Philippines. He tested positive. He is in courting that is a Delfin Lorenzana for a pronounced that correctly. I can't say I was familiar with him before I saw that news. And what's going on in South Korea these days so South Korea has To your point earlier basically set up four passengers in coming from the United States. A set of rules so If you come from the United States you enter a fourteen day quarantine if you're stay shorter than maybe you can go under some special watch and quickly released to where you're going as long as you pass a bunch of tests and you are shown to not be a carrier But basically anybody coming back into South Korea They are taking measures. Especially if you're coming from a place like the United States and so this is just yet another example of countries saying. Hey we still need to have some kind of permeable membrane. We still need to have a border that people can come and go from in some capacity. But we're going to ramp up our sort of restrictions and security measures As much as possible. Yeah China taking a little. Bit More stringent approach they have closed their borders now to foreign travellers. At least based on their reporting which many believe is suspect. A another thing that will get to in a moment here By the way oil wanted to just add Just so people understand some places are even enforcing you know if you're if you're sent about In a in a situation where you're allowed to enter the country but you have restricted movement. Or you're supposed to quarantine and you fail. You fail to quarantine. Some people are now being arrested charged with fines. I believe in theory in South Korea. They were saying If you break the quarantine it can be up to a year in prison so these these are measures. That are being taken quite seriously in these places. Yeah that's a good thing that I mean. We haven't really seen much in terms of penalties for this stuff here yet But it has been more stringent in other places. There's some reports out of India anecdotal so far. I haven't looked into it that much that There's been some very severe enforcement of some of their curfews Back to China the reporters to foreign travellers. There's the thought that they don't have native cases anymore. Essentially in that all the cases that they've been tracking been people coming back from overseas many of those of course are Chinese nationals. Who who are returning so doesn't necessarily make that much sense to close to four hours. Maybe that's just a thought that we just don't have a choice with regard to Chinese citizens they have to come back and so let's at least reduce. I certainly understand the feeling right. They feel like they've gotten through all of this and that they can slowly reopened their societies. We talked about the last episode. But they don't want people coming in from outside messing it up. I'm sure we would feel pretty similarly if we were able to largely get this under control and other areas of the world We're not yeah in the term. I've heard used recently as sparks so in other words you you you come the fire you you you basically put it out. It's not spreading like wildfire anymore. And then when you have when you start to open up international transit you have people from other places where they haven't had it locked down or you could be a carrier you come in and then you start a little you know you have the potential to start another little hotspot if you can get in and that goes undetected so I think this is probably I don't WanNA speculate too much but probably just going to be the norm for sort of the way. Each country has to balance and handle. Hey what if we have it under control once? We feel like we haven't under control we're going to need people coming from other places To kind of you know be at our level if they're gonNA come in if you will staggering news out of Aley that over forty health workers have died. Yeah that and the lack of protective equipment therapy. We're going to start seeing the same thing here. I mean there's no reason to believe that it's not going to be the same here as it was there and we may already be getting there in New York. There's report already that a nurse. A New York died from from nineteen. And if I could if I could hop on a mini soapbox I mean. We said this last last episode. But we in a way are are privileged. At least we have the the knowledge in advance to see the patterns in these other places Italy and even Spain really has repeated this pattern. And now it's probably going to happen here and so to your point However many it is our health workers on the front lines are exposed There's just not enough protective equipment right now and even with the protective equipment in place. I mean you're still putting yourself in harm's way in a sense every day and so just the sheer numbers of this are going to expose more people. Unfortunately yeah I just. I can't imagine being in that situation and just how upset I would feel and yet being able to overcome that and still do my job. I mean I I just like the the level of selflessness that that takes to me is just incredible one thing that's slightly encouraging on that front Stanford he studied that they had found that there is a way to reuse and ninety five mask. You can heat it in your kitchen oven for one hundred fifty eight degrees for thirty minutes or you can heat it over hot water vapor from boiling water for ten minutes and that that enables you to safely and effectively decontaminate the N. ninety five mask and reuse it and so that I thought that was encouraging at least hopefully. We're GONNA continue to find these ways where you know in quote unquote peacetime yet. Don't even bother throw throw away the mask get another one. These things are seventy five cents. It's better not to have to worry about whether you decontaminated up under these circumstances. It's good to see that there are at least ways where you can reuse some of this stuff Although it is a sad that we are in that situation so the hope here Assuming that you know that that's actually. The study has demonstrated. That is the hope here. Is that if you are a healthcare professional And you start to have a shortage of an ninety five that instead of discarding I mean the other thing is it's practical considerations here if you're in a if you're on a shift for a huge number of hours but in theory the idea nate right. Is that in that position? You could then Go home and the the issue with the masks they get all contaminated and Gung DOPP. But if you could if you could take these steps in in I guess you're baking them. Basically Right Then you could reuse them in that situation to more things we want to talk about here. Getting in more to just the the nature of this virus not not as much news. The issue of asymmetric carriers. We talked to them. The last episode of just how. This virus is just such a motherfucker because you have so many people who are able to walk around and spread it around and it seems like there are a significant number of asymmetric carriers between ten and forty percent of those testing positive. Either don't have symptoms or are pre-symptomatic That is now. The question is whether they transmit the virus or not a little bit of evidence to support that between ten and forty percent number the south China Morning Post which is out of Hong Kong. They obtained classified Chinese documents. Indicating that about forty three thousand people that were tested had no symptoms but tested positive. And the way that China was classifying cases. They weren't releasing that data. They had to obtain from classified documents. But there are about eighty nine thousand officially classified as cases. Those are the ones who actually shows symptoms and then forty-three thousand. Additionally who were kind of not reported were without symptoms and so that's that's about thirty percent right there. Yeah it's it's about a third The short answer on this my understanding from speaking to epidemiologists The the the short answer is that you just won't really know until you can actually get blood draws and the the serological data to see who had antibodies later on. This is common practice. They they go do this Later on in the season and try to estimate the total number of Asia is a symptomatic but it does seem to be from all the different data points. We can get in this range. I don't know if it's forty percent or twenty percent. I've seen a lot of studies. There's one mathematical study out there. That tries to Ballpark it at thirty percent. Whatever it is either way I think probably the most practical takeaway for us at home is that a you can be symptomatic. And carrying and be you can transmit when you're a symptomatic as well and that's part of what makes this thing so dangerous so difficult to to handle. Yeah is there varying estimates on how much you can be transmitting when your AC dramatic but The W Joe's that's not a trend significant transmission vehicle one to three percent of cases of asymmetric. They estimate actually transfer right. I think that's old I. It does seem that way because Ut Austin study estimated that ten percent of cases are transmitted by those asymmetric not that ten percent of e symptomatic people transmit but that ten percent of cases of result from transmission by people who are asymptomatic which. That's a pretty big number. Yeah Yeah and I just think in general. There's there's going to be uncertainty early on but there there does seem to be a pretty hefty amount of evidence that that is part of the story. And then the the other wrinkle their that I should mention Is that the way we define a symptomatic? Sometimes it's even funky right because because think about it If you're listening right now dow maybe you know because of Copeland nineteen but you know you might have a sneeze or cough or something during the week clearing your throat. Dry Throat. Something that you may chop to allergies and temperatures exactly that you don't take your temperature. Is that a symptom or not. For a lot of people they don't even notice But then medical. You could classify that as a symptom. So it's just sort of it's a gray area It's something that is going to impact your numbers your projections your estimates but the goal is it's going on for my understanding is to Try to not be too dogmatic about it but understand the ranges and then take defensive measures based on what those ranges could be when you project things or as individuals when we go out Trying not to get close to people and things like that also wanted to share a Taiwan Taiwanese study that indicates that more transmission of the disease occurs near Symptom onset. So the conclusion was that right around the time that you become symptomatic. That is when you are transmitting. The virus the most to others and so that again goes in with ASEM. Dramatic starting to become symptomatic. That apparently is when you are transmitting. The virus the most and so the scary part about that is well finding isolating symptomatic patients. That alone may not be enough to contain things because if it's getting transmitted so rapidly before people start showing symptoms or you know. I mean obviously aren't I just coughed once? I'm not going to immediately go get tested right as you've probably going to be a day that like okay. I might really be sick here. I got but you're transmitting. The virus during that period apparently But the good news from that is at least mild cases. Don't require prolonged hospitalization because there is a reduction of transmissibility overtime. So once your body kind of gets the virus under control. Now you're transmitting a lot less. Not that you can't transmit it but that it happens less so that's that's at least the one decent thing about that. I WANNA I wanna add something there. That was pretty comforting for me and I've talked to a lot of friends who have been in this weird psychological place. Where you you cough and you think like. Oh my God is this. Why do I have to do? I need to get tested. What you're my level of panic be And it was a physician and apologies. I can't I can't remember the physician anymore Or even where I heard the interview but basically the advice was this. As if you're if you're a young healthy person young could be. I mean under fifty under sixty. Just if you're in general you're not walking around with underlying conditions and you're not in the older age range You should really do yourself the service of treating your health based on how you feel versus what you fear. That was the big that was. That was the message. What you feel versus what you fear so As we've been talking about most of us will cough clearer throat sneeze all these other little subtle things and that's not something that We need to think immediately. There's actually happened at the beginning. And I heard some from some friends who worked in Ers when they started to put measures in or publicized this in the United States or declare state of emergency. They got slammed with everyone calling or wanting to come in saying like you know my fever might be ninety nine point one. Do I have cove in nineteen? I need a test And so the advice for me hopefully for you comforting as well like if you're in that situation how you feel not what you fear yet that's That's pretty good advice than obviously there. There's a concern that the Hell Systems. We overwhelmed to some degree with people with mild symptoms and to the extent we can save that for the people who are really in trouble. That's something we should all be trying to do. Some of this is proof thing open. Yeah I do you WanNa just kinda summarize where we're at with that so so there's this idea that was circling around the web with Ibuprofen That basically not just circling around the web and the French Health Minister. Basically said that you Ibuprofen could worsen Could Worsen Cove in nineteen. Yeah and so so there's some theoretical underpinning here where basically they noticed okay The Way Cope in nineteen enters. Your body I guess it binds to this quote unquote aced two receptor. And then if you take Ibuprofen. Ibuprofen actually Leads to the production of more of these receptors. And so it could in theory make it easier or more likely for cove in nineteen to bind to your lungs in one of the things they're saying is like it. It sort of travels from and this is totally nonscientific here. I'm just sort of regurgitating. The high level it goes from higher up in your system like near your throat ear nose but will travel down into your lungs when he gets into your lower lungs. That's when things are really bad. And so the theory was okay. If IBUPROFEN increases these these receptors. Then basically what happens is you could be making the case worse. You could be making the patient worse when they have Cova. They're taking this to reduce their temperature and there were a few anecdotal stories. Coming out of early places like China related to this and so I mean there is at least one video that I saw that was viral. That had like millions of us on instagram talking about this and basically what we're finding out and wired article Today or yesterday basically summarises is very well just because there's a theoretical underpinning that doesn't mean there's any causation that doesn't mean it actually is related to how well the virus spreads or any of the other factors that we don't know about that allows for reproduction of the virus in your body. And so you know it's there's no evidence per se. Ibuprofen is actually a problem. Yeah there's a there's a theory behind it. I mean so you just kind of make your own decision on that one at this point. I mean I think from what I understand. Not taking ibuprofen isn't going to hurt you with this You could take Acetaminophen seat Dominican still and try to reduce your fever that way. If that's what you feel like you need to do but I mean for my standpoint if there is a theoretical reason not to. I don't need to take. Are you pro fun? I guess I will decide not to take it out of an abundance of caution but that's acknowledging that we don't actually know that that's that you and to to be like all right you're gonNA YOU'RE GONNA kill yourself by taking Ibuprofen you know. That's probably going a little bit too far right and I and I I would say that's what The science author of this Mary McMahon McKenna at wired. That's kind of conclusion as well. I mean nate. You're saying better safe than sorry that that probably makes sense to a lot of us Because there isn't really a cost if you I guess in theory if you had a really bad fever you you might want to move to try to get treatment anyway but if you have a mild fever One of the things she notes correctly of course is that the increase in temperature in your body is a thing designed to kill and fight off invaders so You know I guess you could go either way but the I thought it was an interesting takeaway for how in this time right. Now where all these things are unfolding in real time Just we need caution in terms. We need humility in a sense. In terms of scientific data in terms of scientific literacy in terms of jumping to conclusions about things. It's it's GonNa take time to know stuff for certain. And of course given that. Nothing wrong with airing on the side airing on the side of caution yeah It's a great lesson to bring everyone to just say. Hey we just don't know and maybe you're you're better safe than sorry but Maybe that's what our whole society we should be looking at this point but I think we can wrap up here and we'll be back. Try and do this at least three times a week. Or so Were we do have our regular jobs as well and it does take a lot of time but we're trying to fix it so hopefully if you listen to this maybe you can not have to spend five hours reading about all the stuff yourself to and just say I got. I got what I needed to learn the the big news today. And then maybe now. You're free to go live your life after listening to a half hour this instead of feeling like you have to spend hours reading about it too. So hopefully that provides a little bit of a service for you and For Ben this is nate. And we'll talk to you next time.

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The Association of Linguists does one day they just nominate one word of the year and it sort of like experts nominating got and this list as far as I know is the only List where the American populous can actually nominate where it so. It's a way for people to be worried watchers themselves and then to keep an eye on the language which and the winner she says hands down with the most. Nominations is the phrase quid pro quo. Latin it just means something for something and it it actually comes The the first reported instance of the phrase is actually all the way back in the sixteenth century. So It started with apothecary when they they would substitute one medication for another. Sometimes they would intentionally substitute but another times. They would fraudulently substitute one medication for another. And as the years passed It started to be any substitution. One thing for another and then it started to have the negative connotation that we we have with the word with the phrase now where it sort of means pay for play from the pretentious section of the list comes the word artisanal which appears on a lot of menus. The news these days trying to make your water salad dressing or sandwich. Sound more exciting and from the explosion of Foodie shows incites comes mouth feel. He's the one that surprised me to But but basically it's the word that is used to describe the texture of food in your mouth but texture sure been good enough. You have to say Mouth Steel which is which is kind of gross? Because you know what where else are you going to put your food food. Are we gonNA talk about foot field or hands. Then there's literally the word literally means it's a synonym for actually right and the way that it has been changing over. The years is to act. It actually has become its own anthem so instead of meaning actually people are using it for emphasis or for For figurative so I could say I was so surprised my head literally exploded which would mean that my head actually exploded but people are using it for emphasis meaning that You know my head almost exploded for figurative. It's a very interesting word that it's become to me. It's opposite mcminn. Says an important source of words and phrases for the banishment. List in recent years has been social media including friend is a verb Google Selfie and ghosting the latest editions thanks to social media included chirp Jelly and tote one that was new you to me was Chirp And I talked to my students about this one They they had said that it was an insult For that millennials us to talk. Talk about somebody who is insulting someone else. So it's a verb. SORTA like tweet is a very where you say you know. I tweeted about district. That and you're talking about what you're saying on twitter but trump is sort of like talking about something but talking about it negatively So I could get CHIRP for being out of touch. Basically for not knowing that words Word Jelly now is an abbreviation of the word. Jealous while Tote is another abbreviation for totally at if they're some use of a word or phrase that really bothers you you some new and terrible pretension or let's face it something on social media that US older people just don't understand like Superior State University accepts nominations all year around just go to L. S. U. Dot. Edu Slash vanished. I'm herb tricks. The city of Aurora appointed appointed its first poet laureates. Yvonne Booze tells us more Caribou. Let Christianson is most comfortable surrounded by books like here at their role library West Brent. She's written around three thousand poems and has created several collections of her work. She shares these with close friends and family she flips through one of her many manuscript. Then she finds a poem to read. We went out to clean the riverbank. Big Black sacks heavy gloves sturdy boots to clear the bottles and cans and shoes and carts and and tires and tanks and beds and cords and bikes and on and on and on what are we thinking. Are we so rich that nothing warrants our attention the night before we saw the Dalai Lama smile. That poem is called trash and the Dalai Lama. It was written April of two thousand and a Poulet Christopherson started writing. When she was fourteen years old she started by journal which eventually turned into poetry? She says she was inspired by her. English teacher feature brought things into show to my teacher and he was very encouraging in fact. I want initial teachers of English. Writing contest and now she's the first poet laureate of Aurora fillet. Chris and says she wasn't going to apply for the position. I was encouraged by some friends to change my mind and so I did and when I saw the application I changed my mind completely. She says the application had meaningful questions and it showed that the staff of the mayor's office had done their research art fournette Christians than is a retired city worker but retirement didn't stop her work within the community in two thousand thirteen. She Co founded a local poetry group. Eight town poetics. She credits this group. I think the work that eight town poetics has done in the community in terms of raising awareness about poetry in terms of hosting some curated readings and events helped my name rise to the top. There were three other finalists. Those finalists are now deputy poet laureates they include Anthony Staffer Quinton Johnson and for Meena Ponce. She says she plans to work closely with them. But I also hope along along with the three other people that are going to be part of our little poetry Passi that we can reach out to organizations in the community. She says her mission is to work with the city's young on people. I'm hoping that we can encourage kids to write to not be afraid of writing to not be intimidated by the notion of poetry. POULET KRISTA since that poetry three is her preferred platform because of his power in the poetry section of the Aurora Public Library West Branch. She admires the work of her role models this looks. It's like all the Portland. Well many of the poet laureate so Billy Collins One of my favorites I love him because he writes about every day. Life Collins was the poet laureate of the United States between two thousand one and two thousand and three and while he was poet laureate He created a program called one hundred and eighty days of poems. She says she you want to incorporate something. Similar Aurora full let Christopherson will hold the title of Put laureate through April of twenty twenty one and official installation ceremony will take take place in January at Gwendolyn Brooks Elementary School. This ceremony will include the poet laureate as well as the three deputy poet laureates. I'm Yvonne boos a long time collector of rare sheet. Music has died. Lee Schreiner donated much of his collection to Northern Illinois University. where it found new life genitally? Has that story story in two thousand. Fourteen Lee Schreiner Rockford started donating his collection to his Alma Mater Librarians at Northern Illinois University created an online database for the World War One sheet music which is now in the public domain. One of the pieces is called the Third Illinois Infantry March played here During an interview in twenty seventeen trainer says every piece in his collection has a story. I think it's really interesting to look at small town. Illinois sheet music was published by someone in a small town had something they wanted to say. Trainer died January the second after a long battle with lymphoma he was seventy. I'm genitally you're listening to statewide ride. Stay with US next. The hunt foursome rare musical instruments across the country and right here in Illinois. We're back on statewide. I'm Shawn Crawford on the way a woman who had been hoping to become a teacher. Get some help from the Illinois legislature bleacher. They want to hear a piece of history. That's a more than century. Old Pipe organ purchased with help from the Carnegie Foundation. Andrew Carnegie is remembered for his philanthropy the industrialised wound up giving away an estimated ninety percent of fortune causes like libraries and education but less known was how he helped many churches and community centers obtained pipe organs. The foundation called the Oregon matching gifts benefactions. More than eight thousand were manufactured distributed around the world including two hundred seven Eban here in Illinois but that was a long time ago and tracking down those organs if they still exist requires some detective work. Paula Romano is a concert. Organist organist teacher and early music scholar. She join me to talk about the effort. This was benefactions that was not widely known and this came after the times when he gave the money for the libraries and libraries went really all all over the world but the organs did too but they were not as many as we. Have you know throughout the United States in Illinois though Illinois Roy a third largest number of organs that the foundation help to provide the money for and there are two hundred and seven and our state but of course it's not all of those are still operating. I unfortunately found some stories of where the the Oregon were just dismantled because the church had no no longer viable or they couldn't raise money to keep it tuned things like that Occasionally you find that they might end up in somebody's basement I smoked or taking A ceiling out of room and putting an organ in there but sometimes they were given away they were given to other churches to us One such place was An organ that was in house already and the people didn't know what to do with this house but they gave it to a University of Michigan and all of a sudden it became one of the practice. Rooms are one of the small recital halls also there is in Virginia Illinois in a town of seventeen hundred. There is one. It's a Hook and hastings organ working and what's so unique about it. The only thing that has been done and the hundred and thirty years has been that they just put an electric blower on it and that one. When my father was a little boy he used to pump out that was his way to give his service to the church and so he would hand pump little whim machine? And you had to keep pumping. You're T- keep the air in it. But he had to also do it. When the organist was going to practice optus I think he was looking forward to getting a little bit older? So he up to go do that but I been able to identify almost ninety of the two hundred seven Oregon's which all came from one builder called Hook and Hastings. which is out of Vermont? And then there is another company which is was out of the pecan Peoria area. And it's hinters. They were quite a prolific in their instruments. They put in and around our area and it was not a name of an Arkham belter that I knew that well but another forgotten thing for Illinois. White Carnegie was so interested in giving organs We the library thing makes some sense. But maybe the organs was there some personal connection there and he sort of had an Anna Baptist. He was he was a Swedenborg back enlightened thought not much doctrine but he gave a church church to the church where his family attended and before he knew There was a Catholic Church that heard about what he had done for his home home. Church and on it went we knew how many of the two hundred plus in it that were given Illinois or are still in use though. Do we have a pretty good a number amount. Well that's where I'm I'm a sleuth right now. I've been sleeping for a couple years and we have Ninety indy seven Hook and hastings and I've been able to find out what churches they are part of it not all these instruments went into a wealthy healthy churches so wealthy churches could afford to change everything around and say I wanna get a blank and Blank Electric Oregon and so They might have been taken out these instruments. I think of stood the test of time I would imagine through the decades. Fewer in fewer people know how to play these instruments not true Because it's been the other way around you think that it is diminishing to be organised is you have to be an entrepreneur yourself And you have to spend a lot of years going to school and it really. What what we do as organist? It isn't matched what we what we have. Is that matched with our what you're given as Money but I don't think any of us can really do anything else but I like this instrument at Dav. The court the Christian Church in Virginia Illinois. I had played there. I practiced there when I was a young girl and they were really sweet. They let me get a key. He and my father used to sit with me and and be there. So I wasn't alone in the church but That's happened all over in the little town of Virginia Illinois they have had about twelve organised from say nineteen gene twenty through. Now that have come out of this little town of seventeen hundred. I think with the interest in historic instruments mints. We're seeing that churches are going to be able to perhaps get their instrument restored it's Sorta hand-in-hand Canton hand Lot of organised didn't stay with playing the instrument giving up their Sundays for something. There weren't going to get a lot of money for or they or the Church didn't take care of their instruments was falling down But we're finding that changing over over the last. Maybe fifteen years there have been colleges that have ramped up there Teaching teaching of the instruments. Where finding new organs going all over the place so It is an exciting time. Bet One of the things that I'm hoping thing that we can do out of this project is to find organ builders that are really interested rested in these early organs of the nineteen hundreds and being able to hopefully get through Carnegie to see if they can help help with the fund that we can also make another grant request to help these people in the churches. That don't know edible. It's sometimes it's way beyond tuning that we can have them sing again. Paul Romano talking with us about pipe organs. Andrew Carnegie helped make possible from churches and local centers. She says there were more than two hundred in Illinois. She's working to find out how many still exist. You can learn more at a website at state by show dot com in an attempt to alleviate gate Illinois severe teacher shortage state lawmakers last year removed a requirement known as the basic skills test that tested proven to be a stumbling block especially for people pursuing the profession later in life as a second career the change enacted just five months. AGO has already opened the door for Kelly Makaay. She spent the past asked eleven years working as a paraprofessional or teacher's aide assisting students with special needs in an east moline middle school when our education reporter Dusty Rhodes I interviewed interviewed. Her last spring Makaay became emotional talking about her three attempts to pass the math portion of the test all to no avail. She sounded happier this week in a phone interview with dusty so this is your first day of student teaching yes in how did it go. I love this job. I've never loved a job before I can honestly say and like this is a truly just so it's so my anything I love it so you were parapro and then you were a longterm sub for one semester. Yes so it was a pair of pro in that room for eleven years and I wasn't in the same exact room but I was in the same program. It's the success program other schools would call that like Emotional behavior but we've changed the name to the success program because it's more positive ositive in these kids that okay number one. They're middle school kids right so you're dealing with the ones with emotional disability. Yeah I mean a lot of people say what are you do middle school. Oh and then they'll say well. What subject do you teach? And when I tell them they just think oh Jeez so hard you know well you know they think I'm so like a saint and I'm like Oh yeah that's me I'm saying but honestly it's a great job to me. I like the small classes I like to help. But then with these basic core skills so they can move on with their lives and be successful and feel good about themselves. What what is more valuable than that? This new you law is what made this possible for you. Correct correct so I I remember telling you. This law was coming down the pike that I was hearing saying that this was going to happen that I was hearing that. You know they follow this legislation and do you know why. Don't you articulate what your reaction was to my Telling you that well. It's hard for me to trust or have hope because even now it's still so traumatic traumatic. What was going on because I've been testing this sense of me? Getting my license has been two years of struggling in trying and Testing and just to whole entire years. That's longtime to to try to get a license. You know and I WANNA say is that to test deciding everything gene is so it's too much it's like it's what is even the word for it to have one test decide your entire situation relation. It's too much pressure. And why can't they just take my work. The essays that I've written and things that came directly from my head in directly from my own creative instincts instead of. Can I take all these boxes on these tests and it keeps going honestly because now I'm you have to pass a TA which at least it's more of a holistic assignment. I'm actually using my skills bill so I would say at least relevant so the eleven years that you worked as a parapro that counted for nothing. Right right I mean you have to be supervised by someone now right like when you were sub Iran. The classroom yourself right right. I had to do observations Sixty hours of observations. I've observed thousands of hours but I'm trying not to complain. I'm really grateful. Yes when you told me they were trying to put this legislation in place to you. Allow me to move forward without one sixty question test decide everything. When I've proven through my college university that I know how to use strategies I know how to teach and I've learned a lot about how to teach and I've learned a lot from my experience? You it's like it. Seemed like he didn't want to get your hopes up. I didn't I mean I you still don't honestly I still don't even know him in the final stages and I just have these projects to do and I actually get my license. I'm still so. Oh what do I say. Traumatized I mean it was so extreme. What I went through with the testing? I I can't get too excited That was Kelly McConnell. Hey speaking with their education reporter Dusty Rhodes in order to focus on preparing for her upcoming Ed teepee a test Megani on a is given a part-time job ironically. She was a math tutor. That will wrap up this week. Statewide thanks for tuning in and join us again. Next time for more reports and conversations from in and around Illinois. If you missed any of this week's program you can find it and all the others at statewide show dot com podcast is available through the NPR. One APP I'm Shawn Crawford. Statewide is a production of NPR. Dr Annoy with help from other Illinois public radio stations. Have you ever tried to plan a vacation. And the hotel cost airfare and pet sitter all all add up to one big never mind. Well it's time to embrace the adventure garb being instead gorving dot com your one stop shop for all things. RV camping browse the different types types of RV's find a rental agent or dealer near you and compare the cost explore more than sixteen thousand RV parks and camp nationwide and even plan your menus for the trip. Find out what you've been missing at Gorving DOT com. That's go- are being dot com. Welcome to stay flight. I'm Shawn Crawford this hour. We'll learn more about the impact. Having appearance in jail or prison can happen. Children some ideas of how approve the situation there. There was a change in state law designed to help the teacher shortage. We'll talk with a woman who says that change opened the door bird fulfill her dream and also coming. How one man is trained to see his small hometown? All ahead on state flight. Two thousand nine hundred was a memorable year for farmers not in a good way. Trade disputes cut into prices drove up anxiety a soggy planting season and led to a late harvest and just as farmers finally were able to get into the fields. In the fall it snowed for twenty seven year old Greasy Weinzierl. Twenty nineteen will be memorable herbal for an entirely. Different reason. It's win. She became a farmer Ryan. Dinner has that story. This fall gracie became the proud owner of her very own on twenty acres of farmland near Stanford. That's about twenty minutes west of Bloomington. Normal Grace's family had rented and farmland for years. But now it's hers to me. It's the home farm. It's where my great GRANDPA for armed. It's where my grandpa farms where my dad's farm it's it's just right up next to the old farmstead buying it. It was no easy feat a little. Twenty farmland doesn't come onto the market very often plus land is expensive ten thousand dollars an Acre around here twenty seven year old gracie. Don't have a lot of collaterals. Help alone is a great opportunity for me to get my foot in the door. And beside you know is the something I wanna do. Gracie is an outlier young female producer in an industry dominated at least on paper by older men. Primary producers over sixty five now outnumber farmers under thirty five by more than six to one. It's a widening gap that the National Young Farmers Coalition says should concerns all Gracie has gone from Pharma. Jason Kidd College students in now landowner. Her journey is one possible path for navigating the many barriers that prevent young people from farming as a kid gracie would go for the occasional tractor tractor ride but she was never super engaged in farming. It wasn't until senior year of high school that she began to see as a career. She tried -education wasn't a good fit and landed. In Communications. She spent about five years working for some big AD. Companies in Saint Louis turn home to Central Illinois last fall to take a job at the Illinois Farm Bureau. While I was in St Louis. I realized that I was disconnected from the farm. But I you know. I missed my combine rides. I I wanted to come amount. I wanted to know what was going on. Most crop land in the. US is rented not owned by the farmers who work. At and grace's family was no different. A few years ago Gracie found out that one of for families landlords might be interested in selling part of one of the fields at can't buy all of that but I'd be interested in a peace gracie had just come up against the number one challenge facing young farmers inability to access farmland both first generation and multigenerational farmers sighted land access as their top challenge to cording to the twenty any seventeen national young farmer survey gracie found that lenders. Were not too eager to loner all that money. Especially since she didn't have any other assets to her name but she got help from the USDA'S SDA's Farm Service Agency loan program for beginning farmers which offered slightly lower interest rates. It took about five months paperwork. A lot of questions way harder harder than buying a house which Gracie also did this year essentially. We're in this partnership together where they are lending me money and you know they. They want me to be successful. They would not have given me that money if they didn't think I could make a go of this. But in mid August greasy closed on the purchase. She had her twenty acres. This is a huge financial accomplishment for me but that it also thinks in because they hinder the schedule of payments. It's like I have to make payments through twenty forty nine that's cool that's the rest of my life whatever. You can't do much farming without equipment and that's another barrier for beginning farmers new tractors and combines combines cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and again gracie got some help. She worked Labor Trade Agreement with her father and uncle paying to use their equipment by putting in hours on their operation. NASA's starting armor. If I didn't have family in the business I could not survive on twenty acres with the equipment I would need for a corn and soybean farm which is what I know how to do what works best for the land around here. Gracie is learning from her dad and uncle getting a handle on the equipment. She already knew plenty about crop and soil science in part. Because does she studied it in college. Soon she'll be choosing her seed and chemicals and making countless other decisions. She can't yet anticipate. Many of them will be financial. I lie I'm I'm nervous in knowing whether or not I am good enough as a business person to be able to sell my crop and make sure that I cover all of my costs the the latest. USDA census shows the average age of a primary farm producer in. This country is risen to fifty nine years old. The number of young farmers is not keeping pace ace with the number of farmers aging out of field. That's according to the national young farmers coalition which argues that federal farm policy should do more to address barriers to entry. The latest census showed more very big and very small farms. The number of mid sized farms between five hundred thousand acres actually dropped by about thirty percent Maria Burn. Gin is an assistant professor of agribusiness at Illinois State University. She says those who inherit farmland often selling it to other farmers in the area who are looking to expand hand so as you have fewer farmers doing that work And more opportunities off the farm for the younger generation and fewer people growing up on farms in in general. I think it's really sort of a natural progression that that average farm operator would be getting a little bit older each time we do. One of these census reports another another barrier is time itself young people who grow up on the farm and WANNA take over may have to wait for dad mom or even grandma to retire farm income which is declined nationally nationally since a peak in two thousand thirteen can only support so many people and I have a lot of individuals in my classes here literally state that are looking at that exact situation and this dynamic plays out again and again sixty seven year old John Olsen farms corn and beans in McLean. He left the family farm himself for about ten years before returning at age thirty his parents still did a lot of hand holding those first few years after he and his brother took over. Olson's dad technically retired at age. Sixty five to grow out of the combine for the last time. I'm at age. Eighty seven twenty two years after he retired. He actually retired also called the demographics of a room full of farmers a couple of years ago at professional development element event. I've just blown away with a room full of three hundred people and I think the last time I did this. I was sixty two or three and I think I was throwing aged curve off to the low side being there. I think a lot of the guys that were there were older than myself. Burns advice to young farmers is to network work get to know more established farmers and landowners even asked to job shadow with one. You kind of treat it as almost a job interview you make it known that you want to become a farm operator you want to rent farm ground or increase the number of acres you're renting you produce a Almost well not almost so far mission statement you produce a document that says here's my mission as a farmer. Here's the equipment. I have available to me. Here's my experience here. Here is how I will take care of your farmland. If you choose me to be a renter I caught up with Gracie winds early on a recent Friday afternoon during harvest. She had a tractor cab full of leftover Halloween Candy. She waited for Ankle Dave to dump another load of corn so she could drive over the grain elevator in nearby Stanford Stanford Gracie says. She's not ready to ask for a bigger share for families. Five Hundred Acre operation until her dad or Oracle Dave decides to retire step. Back you know. Farming is very multi generational thing in so right now honestly. There's not room for me on this farm. When gracie thinks about the future including expanding more acres? She doesn't see herself ever becoming a fulltime farmer. She enjoys full time day. Job At the farm bureau in Bloomington and the health insurance it provides in fact that 2017 survey found that young farmers feel a lack of affordable health insurance puts them at significant risk. Right now I am content. I'm learning how to farm also making sure that I have a solid income. So I can reinvest eventually in the farm if Gracie does take over the operation. One day. She'll join a growing number of female. Farmers about forty-one percent of farmers in the first ten years of farming are women and the total number of female principal operators increased by nearly seventy percent according to the last census some of that increase however maybe because the. USDA is getting better tracking the roles that women have long played on farms. The two thousand seventeen cents is captured more demographic information from up to four producers perform. USDA also added questions about who makes different decisions on the farm. Finding that female producers are most heavily engaged in the day to day decisions along with recordkeeping Financial Management Gracie says her grandmother would often drive trucks. Filled with grain of the elevator. Burgeoned saw the same thing my grandparents in southern Illinois filled the census out numerous times but my grandmother was as much a part of the farms my grandfather but under the old collection system those those types of things wouldn't have been captured it's not all doom and gloom for young farmers they've got some advantages gracie is fluent in social media. Has Their own. PODCAST called a farm kids guide to agriculture. Agriculture uses those to connect with other young professionals also comfortable with on-farm technology her dad and uncle us auto steer and have been collecting yield data from their machines since one thousand nine hundred nine. But they haven't done anything with it so I'm really interested to dig into that. This winter is to start seeing consistencies agencies in the fields. See what see what's going on in her little twenty acres grace. He's also running for trials right now trying different cover crops and fungicides learning now. Oh so she can make better decisions later. Just like farmers have been doing for thousands of years. That's Ryan Denham of member station W. G. L. T. without reports the the landscape of Illinois and the Midwest is dotted with small towns. Most struggling to survive and a key is keeping and growing population. Here's a story from a shrinking Kansas. Kansas community called me. Yoda Shea a wealthy businessman. There is hoping to save his home town. He's launched a program to pay college tuition for neo to Shea students. The the idea takes its cue from bigger cities but it could face. Some unexpected roadblocks Sylvia ups Jepson with the Kansas. New Service brings us this report. Ben Cutler grew up in Neo Touche in the nineteen fifties when it had a thousand more residents than today's twenty three hundred. He left Kansas for a career in finance and insurance but never forgot his hometown situated about halfway between Wichita Kansas and Joplin Missouri and his business success has led to this. That's nearly three hundred middle and high schoolers in their auditorium. Recently when they learned Cutler will pay their college tuition Russian they have to earn two point five. GPA and take other boxes but the knee ownership promise will cover the price of tuition and fees at the state's priciest public public school. The University of Kansas Dacia Council is a senior. She wants to study hygiene. I'm still in shock right now. I've even really saving up for college. I know most of my classmates have also saving up working real hard and this is just a real relief off of our shoulders. The program has two goals obviously changed. Lives lives right now. Two years after high school fewer than half of students here are working on a college degree. Second goal bring people to this rural town. Families need need to enroll their kids in school here by the sixth grade to get the full deal. Colors offer is good for the next twenty five years at least possibly decades beyond that it will likely cost tens of millions of dollars. But here's the problem. Bordering school districts have been losing enrollment as well to nearby districts have fewer than two hundred students since left because most of southeast Kansas is shrinking Neo Shays plan might simply shift people around among dwindling towns. Matthew Sanderson is a sociologist sociologist at Kansas State University. If you're thinking about regional economic development at least at this stage looks more like a zero sum game to spur real. The growth has to attract more employers and jobs and they'll community leaders say promise programs elsewhere have benefited economically. They're usually in more populous places like Kalamazoo Michigan. That town has seventy five thousand residents. Still hundreds of workers commute to this town. Every Dave from across the region for manufacturing jobs at plants like this one Kabul boats where team is building the whole of a luxury motor boat so this process just gets repeated layer by layer resident glasser apply company president. Shane Stanfield says now. Maybe more of his workers will move moved to town to take advantage of the free tuition and others would follow and with that built. Belva need jobs and that wall so help help us to get you know. Find the right. People people to work for us but aspiring residents may need to get in line Neo Shays other big challenge is a housing shortage. A common issue across rural America Funder Ben Cutler Learns says. The town is ready for the hard work. I don't think any of us that are have been working on this scholarship program. Now I've been working on for a couple of years think that This is going to be easy. This is going to require some heavy lifting on the part of the school on the part of the community on on the part of the businesses here. Meanwhile Matthew Sanderson says he's. He's curious to see if I can pull something off beyond the usual zero-some game a town this small trying to reinvent itself with this incentive I'm Celia Yuppies Jackson in Neo Shay the quad cities has been chosen to host hundreds of competitors from one of the fastest growing sports in the country. It's the twenty twenty one the US Masters Championships for the Professional Disc Golf Association. One of the organizers will be chased Robert sees the owner of a disc golf supply store in Moline gene obviously have a slowdown season when it gets too cold but you know one of the great things about it is that anybody can play it and it's relatively cheap to get involved with a game name. Robert says the association chose the Quad cities because it successfully hosted two previous national competitions in two thousand seven and again again in two thousand seventeen for the uninitiated he says disc. Golf is similar to golf with something resembling a frisbee. They're actually more a little bit more like a discus that you would use a track and field than they are a traditional Frisbee but we still have some discs that resemble the Frisbee Forum. Those potter's their slower speed discs. There's mid range range diff- fruit or a little bit better for control and there's drivers and distance drivers for high speed and long distance shot. The game has scored the same as golf but instead of holes competitors competitors Putt into baskets the twenty twenty one masters championships will be for those age forty and older and will be held in September of next year Robert says the Quad Quad. 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She's teaching them personal finance. which can be an abstract concept to a bunch of teens but Jacobsen? These lessons are very important. And that's why she gets personal. She has two adult children who she helped pay off college loans. She brought in their actual financial statements. I put up their account account statements and it showed how much interest I paid and how long it took me to pay it. And they're like you all that much and I go yeah. I didn't have the money in savings. I had to take a couple loans out the curriculum. MM is part of a semester long course called Fitch a program created by the University of Chicago and magnetized Capital Foundation. The curriculum focuses on personal finance with a heavy focus on college college debt. Rebecca Maxi with the University of Chicago and overseas the program. She says Jacobsen sharing her personal story has an impact on students understanding she. She says some of the assignments require students to ask an adult about their finances. Research says you should do and we know from our experience here that having that home connection is great but it can be a little nerve wracking especially when people are taught not to talk about money. Students in Illinois are required to take consumer education to graduate. But it's up to individual schools to include personal l.. Finance Maxi says. Many students still aren't getting this level of exposure. She says for most high school kids student loans are their first encounter with debt. They don't know what they're are getting into. They don't understand the consequences and the ramifications that twenty years from now they could still be or more they could still be paying off debts by the third quarter of this year. You're fourteen million borrowers in the thirty five. To forty nine age. Group owed a collective five hundred sixty four billion dollars federal student loans. Though a much smaller group group some people in their sixties are still paying off that debt. This is the second year. The Fin- curriculum is used in classrooms. Max says it's too early to say how well it's working thing. But she says. External evaluation shows that students. Financial Literacy has improved college. Sophomore Daniel Buea agrees with that. You took a similar course. When he was in high school it was extremely beneficial? Because I would have gone to college blind to ignite really knowing where I can do this. Consider towards my mom because my mom is ones paying for for he says after taking the class he did some thinking and made some financially based decisions he got into his number one choice for College Northern Illinois University but decided to attend attend the more Affordable University of Illinois at Chicago. He's switched his major from psychology to marketing. A career he thinks will be more lucrative taken all loans is in fundus interest in it accrues. And you know I just thought about like my mom. You know like how much she would have to work because he was not cheap. Back in Laura Jacobson's class. She says even if students don't take out college loans the lessons apply to other future decisions like buying a home or paying off major medical expenses. Jacobson says a few parents have thanked her for the course and said they wish they'd had something similar when they were teens. adulting one on one should you have you know. You can't have your parents on your behalf. Because one day she tells the class it will be their responsibility Tuzon. WBZ News having a parent behind bars can negatively impact a child for the rest of his or her life I had a chance to speak. With reporter Marine mckinney. About her latest story on the impact. Pat's appearance incarceration on a child and what could be done to protect those bonds so marine. What led you to look at the issue of children of incarcerated I? I was looking through some bills that were approved last year and to caught my eye about children of the incarcerated one was to create a task force to look at the issue of what can be done to help and the other requires requires judges to take into consideration how defendants children will be impacted by their sentence. You've written about this Sir just recently another Illinois issues piece that you put together a give some background on that a bit of a recap on on the earlier story last week focused and the harm that's done to children when their parents are incarcerated. They are more likely to end up up in prison themselves. More likely to have health Issues Mental and physical and more likely to you use drugs people. I talked to said that's why creating the task force was important that we we need to look out for those kids whose parents are already in prison or in jails awaiting sentencing marine. Can you describe some of the problems. The advocates you interviewed cited first of all like eighty percent of the women in prison in her parents and the locations aren't conducive for people who live in Chicago of the women who are in prison. ISN forty percent are from Chicago and the prisons are located in Lincoln and Decatur which Earth hundred eighty miles approximately from tocado. They also talked about visitation. How that can be extremely scary? An off-putting pudding for children. When advocate talked about children seeing their mothers and being very excited and and then they run up against the glass? Can't touch their mothers or reach out to them and they get very very frustrated and the mothers will be so upset about that. They won't want to have the children visit again and visitations important because it helps keep up the bond bond between parents and child. So can this issue be dealt with quickly probably not. It's a problem with the criminal justice system in its entirety throughout the nation. So it's not unique talent. Roy Eleanor he does have some unique situations like the largest women's prison. Logan in in Lincoln has real issues with its visiting area for instance children who are coming to visit find it to be cold bearing their own a lot toy as I guess thirty three percent of jails don't even have contact visits which the advocates are really supportive of. That's reporter Maureen mckinney. She wrote about how children are impacted by having a parent in jail or in prison and you can read her full story. We have a link at our website at statewide show dot com. Hey Steve Harvey for the Illinois. Broadcasters all cast association and in a recent survey the Illinois Emergency Management Agency was asked to name the top five items that every Illinois family needs needs to have in their homes. Emergency disaster kick. Check out these answers. Water Kalia without it number two non perishable Shabazz food. 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They're the main contributors to the latest list of words words and phrases banished from the Queen's English for misuse overuse and general uselessness as herb tricks tells us more the twenty nineteen banished list list is the forty fifth to be issued by Superior State University in Michigan in past years it was overseen by the Public Relations Office but this year became the responsibility of the English department. Mary McMahon is an associate professor of English and creative writing and a member of the banished. Word Committee. I think that the list serves a really the interesting role. There are a lot of organizations nationwide that that Nominate a word of the year. Like the Merriam Webster Dictionary does one. The association creation of linguists does one but they just nominate one word of the year and it sort of like experts nominating. That and this list as far as I know is the only list where the American populous can actually nominate words. So it's a way for people to be worried watchers themselves and then keep an eye on the language and the winner. She says hands down with the most. Nominations is the phrase quid pro quo in Latin. It just means something mm for something and it actually comes The the first reported instance of the phrase is actually all the way back in the sixteenth century so It started good with apothecary is when they would substitute one medication for another. Sometimes they would intentionally substitute them. But another time they would fraudulently substitute one medication for another and as the years passed It started to be any substitution of one thing for another and then it started to have the negative could've connotation that we have with the word with the phrase now where her to me pay for play from the pretentious section of the list. Comes the word Artisanal Lil which appears in a lot of menus these days trying to make your water or salad dressing or sandwich sound more exciting and from the explosion of Foodie shows incites. Comes mouth feel that way. The one that surprised me to But but basically it's the word that is used to describe the texture of food in your mouth but texture isn't good enough you have to say mouth steel which is which is kind of gross because you know where else are you gonNA put your food or we're GonNa talk about foot feel or hands then there's literally the word literally means it's a synonym for actually right and the way that it has been changing over. The years is to is actually become its own anthem so instead data meaning actually people are using it for emphasis or for For figurative so I could say I was so surprised my head it literally exploded which would mean that my head actually exploded but people are using it for emphasis meaning that You know my head almost colluded or for figurative. So it's very interesting where that it's become to me. It's opposite McMillan says an important source of words and phrases for the banishment list in recent years. Here's has been social media including friend is a verb Google Selfie and ghosting the latest editions. Thanks to social media included chirp Jelly and tot- one that was new to me was Chirp And I talked to my students about this one They had said that it was an insult. for AH millennials us to talk about somebody who is insulting someone else. So it's a verb. SORTA like tweet is very where you say you know. I tweeted about district that and you're talking about Out what you're saying on twitter but CHIRP is sort of like talking about something but talking about it negatively So I get CHIRP for being out of touch. Excuse for not knowing that word. Joey knows an abbreviation of the word jealous. While tote is another abbreviation for totally at if there's some use of a word order phrase it really bothers you some new and terrible pretension or let's face it something on social media that US older people just don't understand like Superior State University accepts nominations all year round just go to L. S. U. Dot. Edu Slash vanished. I'm herb tricks. The city of Aurora appointed its first poet. Laureates Yvonne Booze tells us more careful. Christianson is most comfortable surrounded by books like here at the Aurora Library West Brent. She's written around three thousand poems and has created theban collections of her work she shares these with close friends and family she flips through one of her many manuscripts then she finds a poem home to read. We went out to clean the riverbank. Big Black sacks heavy gloves sturdy boots to clear the bottles and cans and shoes shoes and carts and tires and tanks and beds and courts and bikes and on and on and on what are we thinking are are we so rich that nothing warrants our attention. The night before we saw the Dalai Lama's smile that poem is called trash and the Dalai Lama it was written in April of two thousand and eight. Poulet KRISTA since started writing. When she was fourteen years old she started by journaling which eventually turned into poetry? She says she was inspired. Inspired by her. English teacher brought things into show to my teacher and he was very encouraging In fact I won a national teachers of English English writing contests and now she's the first poet laureate of Aurora Select Christie's and says she wasn't going to apply for the position. I was encouraged by some friends to change my mind and so I did and when I saw the application I changed my mind completely. She says the application had meaningful questions and it showed that the staff of the mayor's office had done their research full Christians than is a retired city worker but retirement didn't stop her work within the community in two thousand and thirteen. She co-founder a local poetry group. Eight town poetics. She credits this group. I think the work that town poetics has done in the community in terms of raising awareness awareness about poetry in terms of hosting some curated readings and events helped my name rise to the top. There were three other finalists. Those finalists are now deputy poet laureates they include Anthony Staffer Quinton Johnson and from Meena Ponce. She says she planned to work closely with them. But I also hope with the three other people that are going to be part of our little poetry Passi that we can reach out to organizations in the community she says her mission and is to work with the city's young people. I'm hoping that we can encourage kids to write to not be afraid of writing to not be intimidated by the notion of poetry to let Christus and set poetry is preferred platform because of his power and the poetry section of the Aurora Public Library. West branch. She admires the work of her role models. This looks like all the Portland. Well many of the poet laureate so billy Cowan's one of my favorites. I love him because he writes about every day. Life Collins was the poet laureate of the United States between two thousand and one and two thousand and three and while he was poet laureate He created a program called one hundred and eighty days of poems homes. She says she wants incorporate something similar in Aurora. Full let Chris. Dickson will hold the title of Port Laureate through April of twenty twenty one and official installation ceremony will take place in January. Ed Gwendolyn Brooks Elementary School. This ceremony will include the poet laureate as well as the three. Deputy poet laureates. I'm Yvonne booth a longtime collector of rare sheet. Music has died Lee. Schreiner donated much of his collection Northern Illinois University where it found new life Sunni duly. Has that story in twenty fourteen leash. Reiner of Rockford started donating his collection to his Alma Mater Librarians at Northern Illinois University created an online online database for the World War One sheet music which is now in the public domain. One of the pieces is called the Third Illinois Infantry March played here during an interview in two thousand seventeen trainer says every piece in his collection has a story story. Yeah I think it's really interesting to look at small town. Mill Annoy sheet music was published by someone in a small town. Had something they wanted to sack. trainor died January second after a long battle with them. Former he was seventy genital labor. No one ever said give it a bed said no one ever said. Given less we say give it everything world. It wasn't built by uh half-measures by the half-hearted so when we set out to build our boldest suv ever we didn't hold anything back and reducing the the only telluride Kia give it everything expected spring twenty one thousand nine in limited quantities. It's dodge performance days where that new car I smell gets replaced by the scent of burned rubber with Dodge charger and it's available best in class. Four hundred eighty five horsepower dodge challenger. 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We'll introduce you to one brand here in Illinois that and more coming up on this week. Statewide wide welcome to statewide. I'm Shawn Crawford this hour. We'll learn more about the impact having a parent in jail or prison can happen. Children some ideas ideas of how reprieve the situation. There was a change in state law designed to help with the elderly teacher shortage. We'll talk with a woman who says that change opened the door for bird fulfilled her dream and also coming up how one man the string of see his small hometown all ahead on statewide. Twenty nineteen was memorable year for farmers not in a good way trade. Disputes cut into prices isn't drove up anxiety. A soggy planting season led to a late harvest. And just as farmers finally were able to get into the fields in the fall it snowed for twenty-seven-year-old older greasy winds earl. Two Thousand Nineteen will be memorable for an entirely different reason. It's when she became a farmer. Ryan dim has that story. This fall gracie became the proud owner of her very own twenty acres of farmland near Stanford. It's about twenty minutes west of Bloomington. Normal Grace's family had rented farmland for for years. But now it's hers to me. It's the home farm. It's where my GRANDPA farmed. It's where mega-farms to our my dad's farm. It's it's it's just right up next to the old farmstead buying it was no easy feat S- a little twentieth farmland doesn't come onto the market very often plus land is expensive ten ten thousand dollars an acre around here. Twenty seven year olds like Gracie don't have a lot of collateral to help. Beat alone is a great opportunity for me to get my foot in the door and decide is is this something I wanna do. Gracie is an outlier. A young female producer in an industry dominated at least on paper by older men primary producers over sixty five five now outnumber farmers under thirty five by more than six to one. It's a widening gap that the National Young Farmers Coalition says should concern us all Gracie has gone from Pharma. Jason Kidd College students in now landowner. Her journey is one possible path for navigating the many barriers that prevent young people from and farming is a kid gracie would go for the occasional tractor ride but she was never super engaged in farming. It wasn't until senior year of high school that she began to see as career. She tried -education wasn't a good fit and landed in egg communications. She spent about five years working for some big companies and Saint Louis returned heard home to central Illinois last fall to job at the Illinois Farm Bureau while I was in St Louis. I realized that I was disconnected from the farm. But I you know. I missed my combine rise. I I wanted to come out. I wanted to know what was going on. Most crop land in the. US is rented not owned by. The Farmers Who Work and grace's family really was no different. A few years ago Gracie found out that one of her family's landlords might be interested in selling part of one of the fields at can't buy all of that but I'd be interested in a peace gracie. Just come up against the number. One challenge facing young farmers inability to access farmland both first generation and multigenerational farmers sighted land access access as their top challenge to cording to the two thousand seventeen national young farmer survey gracie found that lenders. Were not too eager to loner all that money. Especially since she didn't and have any other assets to her name but she got help from the. USDA'S FARM SERVICE AGENCY LOAN Program for beginning farmers which offered slightly lower interest rates. It took about five months. Wants paperwork a lot of questions way harder than buying a house which Gracie also did this year essentially. We're in this partnership together where they are lending me money and they. They won't be successful. They would not have given me that money if they didn't think it could make a go of this. But in mid August greasy closed on the purchase Sushi had her twenty acres the huge financial accomplishment for me but that it also think fin because they hinder the schedule of payments. It's like I have to make payments payments through twenty forty nine. That's cool the rest of my life. Whatever you can't do much farming without equipment and that's another another barrier for beginning farmers new tractors and combines cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and again gracie got some help? She worked at a Labor trade agreement with her father and uncle uncle paying to use their equipment by putting hours on their operation as a starting farmer. If I didn't have family in the business I could not survive on twenty acres with the equipment. I would need for a farm. which is what I know how to do what works best for the land around here Gracie learning from her dad and uncle getting a handle on the equipment she she already knew plenty about crop and soil science in part because she studied it in college? Soon she'll be choosing her seed and chemicals and making countless other decisions. She can't yet anticipate. Many of them will be financial. I lie in that. I'm nervous in knowing whether or not I am good enough as a business person to be able to sell Mike Crop and make sure that I cover all of costs the latest. USDA's census shows the average age of a primary farm producer in. This country has risen to fifty nine years sold. The number of young farmers is not keeping pace with the number of farmers aging out of the field. That's according to the national young farmers coalition which argues it. Federal Farm Policy should do more to address barriers to entry. The latest accents is showed more very big and very small farms. The number of mid sized farms between five hundred one thousand acres actually dropped by about thirty percent. Maria burn is an assistant professor of agribusiness at State University. She says those who inherit farmland often end up selling it to other farmers in the area who are looking to expand so as you have fewer farmers doing that work and more opportunities off the farm for the a younger generation and fewer people growing up on farms in general. I think it's really sort of a natural progression that that average farm operator would be getting a little bit older each time we do. One of these census reports another barrier is time itself young people who grew up on the farm. And WanNa take over may have to wait for dad mom or even GRANDPA NAPA to retire farm income which is declined nationally since a peak in twenty thirteen can only support so many people. I have a lot of individuals in my classes here to Illinois state that are looking at that exact situation. This dynamic plays out again and again 67-year-old Jon Olsen farms corn and beans in McLean. He left the family farm arm himself for about ten years before returning age. Thirty is parents still did a lot of hand holding those first few years after he and his brother took over Olson's dad technically retired at age. Sixty five to crawl out of the combine for the last time at age eighty seven so twenty two years after he retired he actually retired. Also called the demographics. I have a room full of farmers a couple of years ago at professional development event. I've just blown away with a class room full of three hundred people and I think the last time I did this. I was sixty two or three and I think I was throwing the age curve off to the low side being there. I think a lot of the guys that were there were older than myself. Burne Jones advice to young farmers is to network get to know more established farmers and landowners even asked to job shadow with one. You kind of treat it as almost a job interview you make it known that you want to become a farm operator you want to rent farm ground or increase the number of acres you're renting eighteen. You produce a almost well not almost a farm mission statement you produce a document that says here's my mission as a farmer. Here's the equipment. Yeah I have available to me. Here's my experience. Here is how I will take care of your farmland. If you choose me to be a renter I caught up with Gracie winds early on a recent Friday afternoon during harvest. She had a tractor cab full of leftover Halloween Candy. She waited for Uncle Dave to dump another load of corn so she could drive over to the grain elevator in nearby Stanford Remember Gracie. Says she's not ready to ask for a bigger share for families five hundred Acre operation until her dad or uncle Dave decides to retire step back. You know farming is a very multi generational thing and so right now. Honestly there's not room for me on this farm. When gracie thinks about the future including expanding tomorrow acres? She doesn't see herself ever becoming a full-time farmer. She enjoys her full time. Day Job at the farm bureau in Bloomington and the health insurance it provides in fact that twenty-seven survey found that young farmers feel a lack of affordable. Health Insurance puts them. It's significant risk right now. I am content. I'm learning how to farm. I'm also making sure that I have a solid income. So I can reinvest eventually in the farm if Gracie does take over the operation. One day. She'll join a growing number of female. Farmers about forty-one percent of farmers in the first ten years of farming are women and the total a number of female principal operators increased by nearly seventy percent according to the last absences some of that increase however maybe because the USDA's getting better tracking the roles that women have long played on farms in two thousand seventeen cents is captured more demographic information from up to four producers perform. USDA also added questions about who makes different decisions on the farm. Finding that female producers are most heavily engaged in the day to day decisions along with recordkeeping and Financial Management Greasy says. Her grandmother and mother would often drive trucks filled with grain of the elevator burned and saw the same thing my grandparents in southern Illinois filled this census out numerous times but my grandmother was as much a part of the the pharmacy grandfather but under the old collection system. Those types of things wouldn't have been captured. It's not all doom and gloom for young farmers. They've got some advantages. Gracie is fluent in. Social Media. Idea has her own. PODCAST called a farm kids guide to agriculture. Uses those to connect with other young professionals. You also comfortable with on-farm technology. Her Dad and uncle us us auto steer and have been collecting yield data from their machines. Since one thousand nine hundred nine but they haven't done anything with it so I'm really interested to dig into that this winter. You're seeing consistencies in the field. See what see what's going on in her little twenty acres grace. He's also running for trials right now trying different cover crops and fungicides learning now so she can make better decisions later just like farmers have been doing for thousands of years that's Ryan dim of member station. WGN Not without reports the landscape of Illinois and the Midwest is dotted with small towns. Most struggling to survive and a key is keeping and growing population. Here's a story from shrinking. Kansas community called the Iota Shea a wealthy businessman there is hoping to save his hometown. He's launched a program to pay college tuition for Neo Touche students. The idea takes its cue from bigger cities but could face. Some unexpected roadblocks Sylvia. UPS Jepson with the Kansas assists news. Service brings us this report then. Cutler grew up in Neo Touche in the nineteen fifties when it had a thousand more residents than today's twenty three hundred. He left Kansas for career and finance and insurance but never forgot his home town. Situated about halfway between Wichita Kansas and Joplin Missouri and his business success has led to this three hundred middle and high schoolers in their auditorium recently when they learned Cutler will pay their college tuition they have to earn a two point five. GPA and take other boxes but the promise will cover the price commission and fees at the state's priciest public school. The University of Kansas Dacia Council is a senior. She wants to study dental hygiene. I'm I'm still in shock right now. I been really saving up for college. I know most of my classmates have also saving working real hard and this is just a real relief off of our shoulders. The program Graham has two goals obviously changed lives right now. Two years after high school fewer than half of students here are working on a college degree. Second goal. Bring bring people to this rural town. Families need to enroll their kids in school here by the sixth grade to get the full deal. Colors offer is good for the next twenty five years. There's at least possibly decades beyond that it will likely cost tens of millions of dollars. But here's the problem. Bordering school districts have been losing enrollment as well to nearby districts have fewer than two hundred students left because most of southeast Kansas is shrinking neo. Shays plan might simply shift people around among twin towns. Matthew Sanderson is a sociologist. At Kansas State University you're thinking about regional economic development at least with the stage look for like zero sum game to spur real growth niotis. Shay has to attract more employers and jobs and the community leaders say promise programs elsewhere. Have benefited benefited economically. They're usually in more populous places like Kalamazoo Michigan. That town has seventy five thousand residents. Still hundreds of workers commute to this town every day from across the region for manufacturing jobs a plan like this one Kabul boats. Where we're a team is building the hull of luxury motor boat so this process just gets repeated layer by layer resident glass or apply company president? Shane Stanfield says now. Maybe more of his workers will move to town to take advantage of the free tuition and others would follow and with that Bill Delvin jobs and that will also so help. Help US get find the right people to work for us but aspiring residents may need to get in line Neo Shays other big challenge is a housing shortage. A common an issue across rural America Funder Ben Cutler says the town is ready for the hard work. I don't think any of us that are been working on this scholarship program. Now I've been working on for a couple of years think that this is going to be easy. This is going to require some heavy lifting on the part of the school on the part of the community on on the part of the businesses. This is here. Meanwhile Matthew Sanderson says. He's curious to see if neo shake can pull something off beyond the usual zero-sum game a town this small trying trying to reinvent itself with this incentive I'm Celia Yuppies Jackson in Neo to shape the quad cities has been chosen to host hundreds of competitors from one of the fastest growing in sports in the country. It's the twenty twenty one. US Masters Championships for the professional disc. Golf Association one of the organizers will be chased Roberts. He's the owner of a disc golf supply store in Moline. We obviously have a slowdown season when it gets cold but you know one of the great things about it. Is that anybody anybody can play it. And it's relatively cheap to get involved with a game. Robert says the association chose the Quad cities because it successfully hosted two previous national competitions in two thousand seven and again in two thousand seventeen for the uninitiated he says disc. Golf is similar to golf with something resembling a frisbee. They're actually more a little bit more like a discus that you would use in track and field than they are a traditional Frisbee but we still have some discs that resemble the Frisbee form those are potters autres their slower speed disk. There's mid range if a little bit better for controlling there's drivers and distance drivers for high speed and long distance shots. The the game is scored the same as golf. But instead of holes competitor's Putt into baskets 2021 Masters Championships will be for those age forty and older and will be held old in September of next year. Robert says the quad. Cities is a hotbed for disc golf with eleven courses in that area and a total of about forty within easy driving distance. There's more of statewide on the way next up teaching kids about personal finance. They do the statewide Shawn Crawford on the way a town in Illinois with its own poet laureates and when apparent goes to jail or prison we can have a devastating impact on children will hear more about that. Student debt had reached its peak last year at about one point. Four billion dollars in federal loans. Many borrowers who are well beyond college are still paying them off. Suzanne on introduces US TO A high school class teaching kids about personal finance in hopes of bringing down the debt. It's first period at cary Grove High School in northwest suburban. Carrie teacher Laura Jacobsen is talking to a room of sleepy juniors and seniors in her family and consumer science class. She's she's teaching them personal finance which can be an abstract concept to a bunch of teens but Jacobsen thinks these lessons are very important and that's why she gets personal. She has two adult children who she helped pay off college loans. She brought in their actual financial statements. I put up their account statements and showed how much interest I paid and how long it took me to head it. And they're like you all that much. I go yeah. I didn't have the money in savings I had to take a couple of out. The curriculum is part of a semester. Long course called finish. A program created by the university the city of Chicago and magnetized Capital Foundation. The curriculum focuses on personal finance with a heavy focus on college debt. Rebecca Maxi is with the University of Chicago and overseas. He's the program. She says Jacobsen sharing her personal story has an impact on students understanding. She says some of the assignments require students to ask an adult about their finances. Search says you should do it and we know from our experience here that having that home connection is great but it can be a little nerve wracking especially when people are taught not to talk about money. Students agents in Illinois are required to take consumer education to graduate but it's up to individual schools to include personal finance. Max says many students still aren't getting this level of exposure. Oh sure she says for most high school kids student loans are their first encounter with debt. They don't know what they're getting into. They don't understand the consequences and the ramifications that you know twenty years from now they could still be or more could still be paying off debts by the third quarter of this year. Fourteen million borrowers in the thirty five to forty nine age. Group owed collective five hundred sixty four billion dollars in federal student loans. Though a much smaller group some people in their sixties are still paying off that debt. This is is the second year of the Finnish curriculum is used in classrooms. Maxi says it's too early to say how well it's working but she says. External evaluation shows that students. Financial Literacy has has improved college sophomore. Daniel BUEA agrees with that. You took a similar course when he was in high school extremely beneficial. Because I would have gone gone to college blind to like not really knowing where I can do this. Consider towards my mom because my mom's wounds paying for it he says after taking the class he did some thinking and made some financially based as decisions he got into his number one choice for College Northern Illinois University but decided to attend the more Affordable University of Illinois at Chicago. He switched his major drew from psychology. To marketing occur he thinks will be more lucrative taking all loans is in fundus interest in it accrues. And you know I just thought about like my mom you like. How much like she would have to work? As an was not cheap back in Laura Jacobson's class she says even students don't take out college loans. The lessons apply to other future decisions. Like buying a home or paying off major medical expenses Jacobson says a few parents have thanked her for the course and said they wish they'd had something similar familar when they were teens. Adults WanNa want should you have you know. No you can't have your parents call on your behalf. Because one dave she tells the class it will be their responsibility susie on WBZ news having a parent behind bars can negatively impact a child for the rest. Most of his or her life. I had a chance to speak. With reporter Maureen mckinney about her latest story on the impact of appearance incarceration on a child. And what could be done to protect those spawns so marine. What led you to look at the issue of children of the incarcerated? I was looking through some bills that were approved last year and into caught my eye about children of the incarcerated one was to create a task force to to look at the issue of what can be done to help and the other requires judges to take into consideration how how defendants children will be impacted by their sentence. You've written about this Just recently another Illinois issues piece that you put together a give some background on that a bit of a recap on on the earlier story last week focused and the harm that's done to children. The parents are incarcerated They are more likely to end up in prison themselves. More likely to have health issues mental and physical and more likely to use drugs. People I talked to Doc said that's why creating task force was important that we need to look out for those kids whose the parents are already in prison or in jails awaiting sentencing marine. Can you describe some of the problems the advocates you. You interviewed cited first of all like eighty percent of the women in prisoner parents and the locations aren't aren't conducive for people who live in Chicago of the women who are in prison forty percent are from Chicago and the prisons Are located in Lincoln and Decatur which Earth hundred eighty miles approximately from Chicago. They also talked about visitation and how that can be extremely scary an off-putting for children When advocate talked about about children seeing their mothers and being very excited and then they run up against the glass? Can't can't touch their mothers or reach out to them and they get very very frustrated and the mothers will be so upset about that. They won't want in to have the children visit again and visitations important because it helps keep up the bond between parents and child so can this issue be dealt with with quickly probably not. It's a problem with the criminal justice system in its entirety throughout the nation. So it's not unique Talal Norway Eleanor. Way Does have some unique situations. Sounds like the largest women's prison logan in Lincoln has real issues with its visiting area for instance children who are coming to visit find it to be cold. Barren there is a Lotta data toys. I guess thirty three percent of jails don't even have contact visits which the advocates are really supportive of. That's reporter Maureen mckinney. She wrote about how children are impacted by having apparent in jail or in prison and you can read her full story. We have a link at our website. Statewide show DOT COM Politics Television and social media where once again rich sources for abuse of the English language during the past year. There are the main contributors to the latest list of words and phrases banished from from the queen's English for misuse overuse and general uselessness as herb tricks tells us more the twenty nineteen banished list is the forty fifth to be issued by Lake Superior State University in Michigan in past years it was overseen by the Public Relations Office but this year became the responsibility of the English department. Mary McMahon associate professor of English and creative writing and a member of the banished. Word Committee list serves a really interesting role. There are a lot organizations. Nationwide that that Nominate a word of the year. Like the Miriam Webster. Dictionary does one. The Association of Linguists does one they just nominate one word of the year and sort of like experts nominating and this list as far as I know is the only List where are the American populous can actually nominate words. So it's a way for people to be word watchers themselves and then to keep an eye on the language and the winner she says hands down with the most. Nominations is the phrase quid pro quo hotton. It just means something for something and it actually actually comes The the first reported instance of the phrases actually all the way back in the sixteenth century. So it started with apothecary when they which substitute one medication for another. Sometimes they would intentionally substitute them another times. They would fraudulently substitute one medication for another and and as the years passed It started to be any substitution of one thing for another and then it started to have the negative connotation that we we have with the word with the phrase now where it sort of means pay for clay from the pretentious section of the list. Comes the word artisanal which appears in a lot of menus news these days trying to make your water salad dressing or sandwich. Sound more exciting and from the explosion of Foodie shows incites comes mouth feel. That was the one that surprised me to But but basically it's the word that is used to describe the texture of food in your mouth but tax. Sure sure I can good enough. You have to say mouse deal which is which is kind of gross? Because you know what where else are you going to put your food. What are we gonNA talk about foot field or hands? Then there's literally the word literally means is a synonym for actually right right and the way that it has been changing over the year. Is the APP is it actually has become its own anthem so instead of meaning actually people are using it for emphasis or for For figurative so I could say I was so surprised my head literally exploded which would mean that my head actually exploded but people are using it for emphasis meaning that You know my head almost exploded for figurative. So it's a very interesting word that become to me. It's opposite McMillan. Says an important source of words and phrases for the banishment. List in recent years has been social media including including friend is a verb Google Selfie and ghosting the latest additions thanks. A social media. Included chirp Jelly and tote one that was new to to me was CHIRP And I talked to my students about this one They they had said that it was an insult For that millennial views to talk about somebody who is insulting someone else. So it's a verb. SORTA like tweet is a very where you say you know. I tweeted about district that and you're talking about what you're saying on twitter. The church is sort of like talking about something but talking about it negatively So I could get CHIRP for being out of touch. Basically for not knowing that words Jelly now is an abbreviation of the word. Jealous while Tote is another abbreviation for totally at if they're some use of a word or phrase it really bothers you of some new and terrible pretension or let's face it something on social media that US older people just don't understand like Superior State University accepts nominations all year round around just go to L. S. U. Dot. Edu Slash vanished. I'm herb tricks. The city of Aurora appointed Tate's first poet laureates. Yvonne Booze tells us more. Catholic Christianson is most comfortable surrounded by books like here. At auroral library West Brent. She's written around three thousand poems and has created several collections of her work. She shares these with close friends and family she flips through one of her many manuscripts. Then she finds a poem to read. We went out to cleaned the riverbank. Big Black sacks heavy gloves sturdy boots to clear the bottles and cans and shoes and carts and tires and tanks and beds and cords and bikes and on and on and on what are we thinking. Are we so rich. That nothing warrants warrants our attention the night before we saw the Dalai Lama smile. That poem is called trash and the Dalai Lama. It was written April of two thousand eight. Poulet Christopherson started writing. When she was fourteen years old? She started by journaling which eventually turned into poetry. She says she was inspired by her English teacher. Sure I brought things into show to my teacher and he was very encouraging In fact I won a national teachers of English writing contests and now she's the first poet laureate of Aurora fillet. Christiansen says she wasn't going to apply for the position. I was encouraged by some friends to change my mind and so I did and when I saw the application I changed my mind completely. She says the application had meaningful questions and it showed that the staff of the mayor's office had done their research fournette. Christianson is a retired city worker. But retirement didn't stop her work within the community in two thousand thirteen. She Co founded a local poetry group Group A town poetics. She credits this group. I think the work that eight town poetics has done in the community in terms of raising awareness about poetry in in terms of hosting some curated readings and events helped my name rise to the top. There were three other finalists. Those finalists are now deputy laureates laureates. They include Anthony Staffer Quinton Johnson and for Meena Ponce. She says she plans to work closely with them. But I also hope along with the three other people that are going to be part of our little poetry Passi that we can reach out to organizations in the community. She says her mission is to work with the city's young people. I'm hoping that we can encourage kids to write to not be afraid of writing to not be intimidated by the notion of poetry to let Christians since that poetry. He is her preferred platform because of his power in the poetry section of the Aurora Public Library West Branch. She admires the work of her role models. This looks like all the Portland. Well many of the poet laureate so Billy Collins One of my favorites I love him because he writes about every day. Life Collins was the poet laureate of the United States between two thousand one and two thousand and three and while he was poet laureate He created a program called one hundred and eighty days of poems. She says she what's cooperate. Something similar Aurora Select Christopherson will hold the title of laureate through April of twenty twenty one and official installation ceremony will take place in January at Gwendolyn Brooks Elementary School. This ceremony will include the poet laureate as well as the three deputy laureates I'm Yvonne Booze alongside longtime collector of rare sheet. Music has died. Lee Schreiner donated much of his collection to Northern Illinois University. where it found new life genitally has that story in two thousand fourteen leash? Reiner of Rockford started donating his collection to his Alma Mater Librarians at Northern Illinois University created an online database for the world. War One sheet music which is now in the public domain. One of the pieces is called the Third Illinois Infantry March played here During an interview in twenty seventeen trainer says every piece in his collection has a story. I think it's really interesting interesting to look at small town. Illinois sheet music was published by someone in a small town had something they wanted to say. Schreiner died January second seconds after a long battle with lymphoma he was seventy. I'm genitally you're listening to statewide. Stay with US next. The hunt foursome rare musical instruments across the country and right here in Illinois. We're back on statewide. I'm Shawn Crawford on the way a woman who had been hoping to become a teacher. Get some help from the Illinois legislature feature. They WanNa hear a piece of history. That's a more than century. Old Pipe organ purchased with help from the Carnegie Foundation. Andrew Carnegie is remembered for his philanthropy the industrialised wound up giving away an estimated ninety percent of fortune causes like libraries and education. But less known was how he helped me. Churches and community centers obtained pipe pipe organs. The foundation called the organ matching gifts benefactions more than eight thousand were manufactured and distributed around the world including two hundred seven in here in Illinois. But that was a long time ago and tracking down those organs if they still exist requires some detective. Work Paula. Romano as a concert organist US teacher and early music scholar. She join me to talk about the effort. This was benefactions that was not widely known and this came after the time when he gave the money for the libraries and libraries when really all over over the world but the organs did too but they were not as many as we have throughout the United States in Illinois Illinois the third largest number of organs that the foundation helped to provide the money for and there are two hundred and seven and our state but of course not not all of those are still operating unfortunately found some stories of where the the Oregon were just dismantled because the church had no oh longer been viable or they couldn't raise money to keep it. Tuned thinks like that Occasionally you find that they might end up in somebody's basement mount or taking A ceiling out of room and putting an organ in their backed. Sometimes they were given away they were given to other other churches to us One such place was An organ that was in house already and the people people didn't know what to do with this house but gave it to a University of Michigan and all of a sudden it became one of the practice. Rooms are one of the small recital halls there is in Virginia Illinois in a town of seventeen hundred there is one. It's a Hook and hastings organ can and what's so unique about it. The only thing that has been done on this hundred and thirty years has been that they just put an electric blower on it and that when when my father was a little boy he used to pump out that was his way to give his service to the church and and so he would hand pump little whim machine. And you had to keep it pumping. You're teak keep the air in it but he had to also do it when they organised was going to practice I just I think he was looking forward to getting a little bit older. So he up to do that. But I've been able to identify almost ninety of the two hundred seven seven Oregon's which all came from one builder called Hook and hastings which is out of Vermont and then there is another company which is out of the pecan Peoria area and it's hitters. They were quite a prolific in their instruments. That that they put in and around our area and it was not a name of an Arkham belter that I knew that well but another forgotten thing for Illinois. Do you know white. Light Carnegie was so interested in giving organs The library thing makes some sense. But maybe the organs was there some personal connection there he sort of had an Anna Baptist. He was he was a Swedenborg back enlightened thought not much doctrine but he gave a church hurt to the church where his family attended and before he knew there was a Catholic Church that heard about what he had done for his home charts and on it went. We know how many of the two hundred plus in it that were given Illinois or are still in use though. Do we have a pretty good number number amount. Well that's where I'm I'm a sleuth right now. I've been sleeping for a couple years and we have Ninety do seven Hook and hastings and I've been able to find out what churches they are part of it not all these instruments went into a wealthy. The church is so wealthy churches could afford to change everything around and say I wanNA get a blank and blank electrica Oregon and so they might have been taken out these instruments. I think that have stood the test of time I would imagine through the decades fewer and fewer people know how to play these instruments not true Because it's been the other way around you think that it is diminishing to be an organised is is you have to be an entrepreneur yourself And you have to spend a lot of years going to school and it really what we do. Or as organist. It isn't matched. What we what we have? Is that matched with our what. You're giving us Money but I don't think any of us can really do anything else but I like this instrument at Dot because the Christian Church Virginia Illinois. I have played their practice there when I was a young girl and they were really sweet. They'd let me get a he. He and my father used to sit with me. And and be there so I wasn't alone in the church but That's happened all all over in this little town of Virginia Illinois they have had about twelve organised from say nineteen in twenty three. Now that have come out of this little town of seventeen hundred. I think with the interest in historic instruments. And we're seeing that churches are going to be able to perhaps get their instrument restored it's Sorta hand-in-hand in hand Lot of organised didn't stay with playing the instrument giving up their Sundays for something. There weren't going to get a a lot of money for or they or the Church didn't take care of their instruments was falling down That we're finding that changing over the last. Maybe fifteen years there have been colleges that have ramped up there Teaching teaching of instruments. Where finding new organs going all over the place so It is an exciting time but one of the things that I'm hoping and that we can do out of this project is to find organ. Builders that are really interested stood in these early organs of the nineteen hundreds and being able to hopefully get through Carnegie to see if they can help nope with the fund that we can also make another grant request to help these people in the churches. That don't know where where to go some way beyond tuning that we can have them sing again. Paul Romano talking with us about pipe organs. Andrew Carnegie helped make possible from churches and local centers. She says there were more than in two hundred in Illinois. She's working to find out. How many still exist? You can learn more at a website at state by show dot com. Ah In an attempt to alleviate canoas severe teacher shortage state lawmakers last year removed a requirement. Known is the basic skills test that tested proven to be a stumbling block especially for people people pursuing the profession later in life as a second career the change enacted just five months. AGO has already opened the door for Kelly McConnell. Hey she spent the past last eleven years working as a paraprofessional or teacher's aide assisting students with special needs in an east moline middle school when our education reporter Dusty Rhodes I interviewed viewed her last spring Makaay became emotional talking about her three attempts to pass the math portion of the test all to no avail she sounded happier this week in a phone interview with dusty so this is your first day of student teaching yes in how did it go. I love this job. I never loved a job before I can honestly say and like this is a truly just. So it's so my thing thing I love it so you were a pair of pro and then you were Longterm sub for one semester. Yes so it was a pair of pro in that room for eleven years and I wasn't in the same exact room but I was in the same program. It's it's the success program other schools would call that like Emotional behavior but we've changed the name to the success program because it's more positive residents in these. Are the kids that okay number one. They're middle school kids right so you're dealing with the ones with emotional disability. Yeah I mean a lot of people say what are you do middle school. Oh and then they'll say well. Uh what subject do you teach. And when I tell them they just think oh Jeez so hard you know well you know they they think I'm so like a saint and I'm like Oh yeah that's me I'm saying but honestly it's a great job to me. I like the small classes I like to help done with these basic core skills so they can move on with their lives and be successful and feel good about themselves. What what is more valuable than that? This new the law is what made this possible for you. Correct correct so I I remember telling you this law was coming down the pike that I was hearing that. This is going to happen that I was hearing that you know they follow this legislation and do you know why. Don't you articulate what your reaction was to my telling telling you that well. It was hard for me to trust or have hope because even now it's still so traumatic mattis. What was going on because I've been testing this sense of me? Getting my license has been two years of struggling and in trying and Testing and just to whole entire years. That's longtime to WHO Try to get a license you know and kissing I wanNA say is that to test deciding everything So it's too much it's like it's what is even the word for it to have one test decide your entire situation nation. It's too much pressure. And why can't they just take my work. The essays that I've written and things that came directly from my head and directly from my own creative creative instincts instead of. Can I take all these boxes on these tests and it keeps going honestly because now I'm you have to pass a GPA. which at least it's more of a holistic assignment actually using my skill? Also I would say that at least relevant so the eleven years that you worked as a parapro that counted for nothing right right. I mean you have to be supervised by someone now right like when you were sub Iran. The classroom yourself right right. I had to do observations sixty hours of observations. I've observed thousands of hours but I'm trying not to complain. I'm really grateful. Yes when you told me they were trying to put this legislation in place to How allow me to move forward without one sixty question test decide everything? When I've proven through my college university that I know how to use strategies I know how to teach and I've learned a a lot about how to teach and I've learned a lot from my experience? You it's it. Seemed like he didn't want to get your hopes up. I didn't I mean I still still don't honestly I still don't even have in the final stages and I just have these projects to do and I could actually get my license. I'm still so. What do I say? Traumatized I mean. It was so extreme. What I went through testing? I I can't get too excited. That was Kelly McConnell. Hey speaking with their education reporter Dusty Rhodes in order to focus on preparing for her upcoming. Ed T. P. Test mcconnahey. Ah you're giving up a part time job ironically. She was a math tutor. That will wrap up this week. Statewide thanks for tuning in and join us again. 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If they do safe thing to do just chastises arrived. We saved no no no. I don't WanNa go there you know. Yeah Yeah I'm I'm. I'm a libertarian. I'm Ana Boban as they say and just bought me my taxes because I want to get in trouble eligible bullets ago this is. NPR CAST everybody. Welcome to enter cash over anarchy on Internet. I've got a great I guess coming on. It's we're talking about about taxes and extortion and theft of the IRS. And of course have had Sherry Jackson on talking about that and she'll be speaking of twenty twenty and I got somehow introduced introduced to the founder and the president of freedom law school. His name is payment more today. I'm sure I butchered his last name a little bit. It's sort of an Iranian Jewish slams uh-huh or something like that a very interesting especially considering what's going on in Iran right now but we're GONNA get into all kinds of stuff about how to avoid being extorted by the irs and he's got quite a track record. I looked into it a little bit. Not Too long. Probably fifteen minutes And looks like he's been doing amazing stuff so instead of just I was talking to him personally and figuring out what he's doing I thought let's just do it live. It's live like that That guy who is that We'll do it live. They just do a live of figure out who he is what he's doing and and you can check it out and it sounds very interesting so I'm very interested in this because of course we want to help as many people as possible Not Not get extorted and not fund criminal and terrorist organizations like the government so payment. It's a pleasure to have you on and the first question to ask you though is how did you become an anarchist. Well I was born in anarchist. Since I was a small child I always leaving liberum that live in school and I didn't like bullies trying to dictate dictated control people then secretaries. That is what I came to America in that segment from Iran and I took some economics classes in University of California and I read the book features by Milton Friedman about free markets. How that works Brooks in my classes and I came across? The Term Libertarian. Nothing okay feed lovers. I call in America. Great I'm here and I guess uh-huh and then thirsty of that was after I've heard that there's nola requiring people to Father Income Tax America in nineteen ninety two and I realize there's actually a freedom movement and it's free country which. I was quite amazed to find that we have freedom in this country. That's supposed to be free but it's not obviously and then then I heard from some of my friends about two books one by law by Bass. Ta that Irish agreed and Lisette spooners book. The great lawyer freedom here in the eighteen hundreds called and not treason constitutional authority and I came across the reading of a law bar freight massive by Eddie Griffin on audio reading. It he did and it was was a good lake copied. I loved it and I call air. He's number was on this Houla. Copy of your audio here found somebody. I want to get it out to everybody. Everybody can I buy it from your wholesale and retail. Sure how much you want to pay how Harlem for me as all each. Okay go for no problem you know so I started selling them and now I give it away by the way. And then I read the I scooter on the Constitutional Authority and God. Wow now this is the man that got it the right last so and so by the term I don't think he would lie. Cesspool Calms of anarchist or Libertarian. US just freemen responsibility to dotted same coin as basically for me. Yeah absolutely you mentioned. Some great names ally Sandra spooner bast yet Edward Griffin. Those are all amazing names in the history of the philosophy or ideology of freedom. which as you pointed out kind of shocking into you you probably came from Iran? You heard going to the land of the free and you get like this isn't very free And of course a big part of that is taxation which you pointed doubt isn't even kind of constitutionally allowed. I actually don't know this part that much because I actually don't even care about the constitution I I'm like just leave me alone. I don't I don't care what documents you've got but this is kind of important for especially for people who live in the. US taxi understand what this taxation is an. Actually how the you don't even have according to you I don't know what the word you'd use but you don't have to really do it and you've actually got some amazing history of helping people and even yourself so I think and you've actually won in court and all that kind of stuff so just start at the beginning telling people about what you know about taxation the US well like you theat novice fattening. The correct state license spooner that the Constitution was signed by a bunch of people are dead and gone so really as a matter of law. The concert has no authority as about of law. But you ever live in a world as it is right now much guns tanks and raucous drones. They could assassinate you. They want to make the decision on general. That's the world we live in so I found found out you know. Freedom Lover has a paraguana. Choose the tools that are available to him up to be free even enemies tools that old constitution loss. So I do that you know. The constitution was supposedly Letham men to restrain the limit. The governor of the power power the guardmen fine and the laws were supposedly written by the people to to protect our rights. And so when you look at that closely you find out. There's no law that requires the average American living and working America default income tax. I came across in nineteen ninety two and I remember telling the lady that hurt on that talk show radio program in La. I look I don't want no opinion. I want to see the law. There's no log until I believe there should be no income tax at all but I wanNA see some legal thing you claim so I went to seminar for Forty Bucks and she just blew me away with their their their own book. Here is the Internal Revenue Code. This is the the law of the throw a gun when it comes income taxes. This is the whole thing. I never send piece of paper and you see that huge book associate showed me some parts of that on the screen was more with men suggests to me America with John Wayne in Western movies. You know be all you want to be your free do what you want to America. As long as you're not by others rights and keep the agreements. That's it not supposed to be was a lot more that way in ancient hundreds before now change so I thought. You know as a Libertarian Pontiac. I wish I was there for several years very active in the party in the late eighties and early nineties. I want to get this out. People need to know they'd be lie and ripped off off and the laws are on the side of the corn the government. So I just go through the whole thing like both feed when I was twenty nine years old. I'm fifty did you send now and as I got through it I just got works at. I knew that I found my life's work mission. Getting the truth out the people I love the truth. Our love freedom so this is the path of discovery education. And just get to as many. Yeah well that's great. We're definitely on the same page as far as that goes and So let's talk a bit further but what you actually do have the freedom law school and I think you've you've been fighting them in court in various ways. Give us some of those stories and examples. Well what I do is I start teaching classes through my local patriots. It's in California back in mid nineteen ninety s and by ninety six. I I realized I was up to something bigger than just taking classes. He became a formalized formalized process I sort of caught figuring laws law school dedicated to Freedom Ainhoa Jeff. What's amazing about that to me? is I thought man in in this free country there's got to be a law school dedicated to freedom future freedom principles of freedom the law. So they're gonNA come Sumi. Close me down for infringing on their name without never happened. uh-huh okay I'll otherwise. I'll start teaching traveling across the country to seminars late nineties and then people were asking repayment listened. Would at the time the time to learn all the stuff about law you know I pay you to take care of stuff for we use so good at it and you know to me I let me help people fish for themselves to help you restore an independent and for yourself. Don't depend on me or anybody else you know. I'll have help you be stronger. But now understood people want some help. They WANNA give some expertise more problem we contract with contract for expert whatever specialist to do the job better so I realized maybe I should offer that as well. Two thousand one I created programs is kind of like a women. Call voluntary government principle. No we have this garbage by force imposed on us but my was more like you know what Eddie was the all volunteer to come together. We Peach into a fun government or association wherever you want to call it we choose to be in now. We can get out whenever we don't like it. And within our group become agents that protect each other learn from all the crooks and criminals of thieves out there especially the ones that claims. It'd be in governments. So Oh I did that in two thousand one and I quit programs. You know that. Do that boy. Lafayette Package Simple fan package. Beginners premium package different levels appeal. Peter can participate in and it's been a lot of fun because that'd be busy out for myself and my students and one of the interesting. Is that happened bobby. Nasty nine nine was. I wanted my students. In nineteen ninety seven was a criminal investigation. Division agent of the IRS special agence. This guy too quickly in jail over taxes and hearing about this income tax issue and he was referred to me by friend. I educated him about this whole income tax for so when his name's Joel banished hearing about this and I asked him along with others he or a book about Income Tax Fraud Rolla to Diarrheas Commissioner here the IRS in nineteen ninety nine asking the receipt it which the law supposed to snow require the average American farm. Pick up a copy book call investigate the Federal Income Tax by Joseph Barrister is up your copy of that book so I prefer it the book publishers first I addition for him and quick and that was a big hit and as you can imagine insider from the irs coming to see the whole thing scam the only thing is of wrought the average tax by the Constitution and laws written by Congress and so conducted journalists. Ninety nine we'd have to get a job and I and I've view to offer in contact your war of three hundred thousand dollars to show me the law that UH supposedly requires the average American the income tax and I've had for twenty years uh-huh and what not one. Irs Age of Irish lawyer manager or judge has ever even the tempted to claim the war. It's been publicly out there and I went on the criminal on an author Parallel Investigations by the Irs Jab since nineteen nine hundred thousand nine hundred. Continuously documents that the media is going on with his AAC people get together to conspire are against me and the Irish. Let's see a greg auditor. Andrew agent and his manager abuse the tax bill that promotion specialist and the manager and a lawyer and the manager. You get together. I would have shut down payment. What had and freedom law school because he is trying to expose us? He's an me wall walk on. The feeling is mutual so they can't do it. They came after me about if I ten years ago. Jeff is anniversary for ten years ago. They made some bogus taxes against me for eleven years of about seven hundred thousand dollars and I challenged him. It can't do that and I met with them and asked Madison. Nope so the taxes good. I wanted to get a hearing with the collection due process. Hearing as she said. I'm here just to collect lacked. You can't John Tax so up to tax court and as lawyers said no you can tell to here in this given back through the IRS. And the new Irish guy. I taught him educating them about the law and he said moneywise this bogus taxes. I'm zeroing house. The thought he'd pages ages of tax liens against me. All removed completely zeroed out an attack scored also officially that so being beating myself. I got suicide. Amman that I've removed taxes illegal liens levies stop them. Remove them I one of my biggest victories. Four point six billion dollars which was Removed two zero. And when I did that I didn't realize that California claim he owe them a million dollars numbers so that I got a letter from your California saying Oh zeroed out your taxes too so my website which is live free now dot org all the Income Tax Ashley Ward their victories they're alive. Wait free information as heir to educate themselves about you know the law and the rights and I got the courses. There's an Jeff if we tell people live free because people you just saw the IRA you know thought thing why. Why are we afraid of these Hubbard server just supposed to serve us? We are the masters we need to act like. They're masters they work for US so my body intimidation tactics of them. No Way I'm a stand up. I'M GONNA do my best to beat them a help others do. The same. Outdoor successfully feel Moscow's oldest longest running most accessible accessible tax truth fighting group out there exploiting ERS fraud. Allies Freebie Franken tax going back to awards and just going because I'm fifty seven so now we're getting rid get off because with Internet Jeff. It's so so much easier to show the law that people Internet on dislike that in the search engine and Cra Fund the gunman with a law and explore expose fraud because my goal is you all internal US taxes let Thomas Jefferson debt Jedburg Griffin. Jeff has a program called the perfect taxi calls it Recording and he says that the perfect tax is no internal taxes. You worry somebody from the outside important. US We taxied taxied ports and that was a big accomplish ment of Jefferson. He said that was his biggest accomplishments. The president he bought all the drill taxes. No one call to action anything at all so given the reality the world until we get to complete mature anarchist sit of humanity. I'll be the good misstep goal that I'm trying to go with north of an income tax fraud Anna Federal Reserve. NFL Bank is a sandwich or robbing the wealth of people. And maybe about four and a half. I totally agree. That's what I've been working working on his well especially the Federal Reserve side And I think as far as getting too much freer world People stopped paying. Taxes is a huge part of it. Obviously that's that's how the federal government is mostly Financed along with the Federal Reserve Money Printing but taxes is a big part of it and So many abacus out there I'm pretty Soccer as sometimes how they will say things like. I'm just GONNA pay the taxes I don't WanNA get in trouble. Excuse me and for me personally. It's like man like of all the people who fought for freedom and human history even look at the founding fathers of the US and they're they're not the best but the Jefferson was pretty good. All these guys are pretty good and they tried to do something. It didn't work out whatsoever as of right now but they tried to do something but they. They were considered terrorist whereas they were tortured. They were trying to be killed all the time they're in jail and that we have a bunch of atticus out there like oh I don't want to get in trouble and it's like oh man but but what you're saying thing is like this isn't even something you might even get in trouble for if you know what you're doing exactly know jeff the fact that matter is these crooks and criminals. They have lots of money. The power literally guns and rockets and tanks and he used fear what you got yes and offense we love truth and we love freedom And we're good loving people so they got. We have a lot this battle between good and evil with our love and goodness freedom and peace and prosperity. They aren't setup. Enslavement fear poverty unhappiness. So that's the way I come from it and I truly believe in that you know this weekend is spiritual battle of good evil. Have you come from that angle of truth and freedom and love and but the homework Dobie Lazy Adobe cheap yes you should beat them and the fact that at some basic numbers that will blow your way Jeff according to the IRS You're about to over two thousand people in jail for the tax crime so call however less than fifty of them. There's people that followed in paying the vast majority of people the jazz put in jail or those who voluntarily filled out attend for income tax confession form so confessional forms now return the round their neck and they had the to to the irs cake it pull on it whenever you want and you aband- through my students who was a former gun carrying irs. Special is agent. He told me came on as a special agent. Did Well WanNa go after somebody whether forcing it is asked for the copy of their previous ten forty income-tax confession forms warms and use information in there against individual standard procedure. Everything you put Conforti form is used against you and you gave with the irs voluntarily so they can use it against you in a criminal case and the Chaz is GonNa jail ten times more. Have you don't file at ten four income tax reform this is according to the IRS. And according the IRA says numbers back in nineteen eighty six there were sixty three million. Americans don't fall. Aw in complex answer the. Irs looks like they will qualify the numbers not about eighty million one hundred and forty million people file. Save every three people to file one dozens. That's a big number but people are feared jeff by being ignorant. So what I do is I give them the knowledge. Then you have to free themselves one to give you opportunity to join voluntarily with light. Mount Individual in own Association of Freedom Seniors Field Lovers to join hands because individually as one but together five of us much stronger and even stronger. Together we can fight back and defend ourselves from the Crooks and criminals I'm wolf in the irs and much more effectively very interesting actually. I think he said a few thousand people were in jail L. for tax things out of three hundred million so that just goes to show just for people like really worried about like th th. They're not like it's it's it's not that many. There's not not that many people who they actually go after And then secondly You kind of pointed out that Most of the people who are in there actually have filed their stuff and I I actually felt the same way about it when I first saw these forms and stuff. I'm like I bet if I fill this out. I'm kind of somehow agreeing to be a part of this stupid system in some degree or another and I know many people that have never their entire lives filed anything they've never had a problem so For for people who've done that that's great but there's also a lot of people out there of chorus have already been ensnared in the system. They've been fooled tricked into it. And then there's also the people who work just regular jobs as an employee in there and the tax comes right author check Do you have any kind of advice for people who have already kind of been in the system they WANNA get out or for people who have their taxes taking off their check yes. I'm on my website at live. Free not fear Moscow's website. I have on educational materials instructions on for people do read. The law have a sample letter to send the congressman and hyperlinked through the exact copies a lot as published wish by governments and one. US have been decision and happy to their congressmen. The two senators and one house member to refute if they can the cannot refute it because it's the law published by the government. Then they send that after being sixty days so their employer. Hey stop withholding that can do that. They could temporarily need to put exempt under. W4 Sports Stop Withholding. No problem do that all the time and we do more of that just because major stop the criminals being fad. Had By us to this with our money is the most craziest thing we are few. NSA to spy on us with our money. We have no duty morally ethically legally to pay for destruction jess so yes. I have that information. They're for free. I live free free now. The or for the style withholding Andrew Smart and safe because Jeff. The government's corrupt is used by the justice just as corrupt and the judges or the deep state. They predict the corrupt system. So we do extra preparation to mix with. Beat these guys. And that's what feel lost the deaths. I WanNa make sure that when people get involved get educated going to prepare it because I want to make sure people win against enemy lyrica people the Irish the fiefs absolutely Wow this is great information mation. I wasn't aware of a lot of this. I didn't think there was any way to even get out of that Withholding and all that kind of stuff sir. So there you go for all the people there have been like well. How do you do it? Well payments. Just letting letting you know how to do it right now. So that that's absolutely amazing and For everyone out there police post on the communist down below. Will your thoughts if you've tried this if you had problems all that Kinda stuff but this. This is pretty amazing information. I'm really glad we got connected. And here's something else you know. What the what the government does he remember feeling interest few issue? Jeff that's a big point that they were the snacks what the jail you know alcohol when jail. You know you'd expect the enemy you expect. They'RE GONNA try. Who that you stand up like a man you know? The founding fathers of shots Adam selves for the revolution they have for freedom. You know so education. Preparation are very important about whether this knives do homework whereas the snipes was misled by bunch of misinformation and prepare to get into the fights and the government which is blasted out there but we take a closer look. You find out that yes the people that went out there three to get people jeff. One is not doing the homework. Study number two be cheap. Not WanNa you know. Pay Someone for free for example people that are going to an unoccupied. Guess Guess WHAT THEY WANNA get world education they WANNA go out or US government jurisdiction in a country like Mexico. Yes they're gonNA pay L. I.. Ticket Hotel and British pay you all the people working to make this great event where they're gonNA get education information out to and not get lauded in America sensor there's a pricey being accurate to be free you know and too often people complain about. ooh This costs money. That costs money out some. Hey there's no gate which quick scheme get healthy quick scheme same orbit free scheme. You got the peer pressure freedom. Jaffer awake others myself signing fall. Is We pay the price for freedom. What press you willing to pay? If you pay for freedom we will work with other experience or Newfield minded people like yourself now talk now a chance to to be free. That's my nose Jeff. Since nine nine I did angle. Freedom is like like you. Doing I assume in California we over dozen great speakers line jet for Griffin comes Paul to Richard Gage Menu Speakers. Because you're right now. I these guys you speak in my fam- events once or twice year and I did that because you know people want to know about these things you know and people will they pay for it so freedom is there is up to people are committed. They are don't be cheap. The dog easy. You got to do some work yourself or someone else had done at work and we got together and then you can live in peace prosperity Australia absolutely man. I don't know about you or I don't even remember how we got connected. But you're my kind of guy totally on the same page one hundred percent And I've heard that a lot of people it's GonNa cost the cost side. It's like you know nothing's free Rian Life but you got to invest in yourself t right and and these people are just like well. I don't WanNA get in trouble. Just GonNa file the taxes like you're basically. You're almost working for the the other team at that point. You're basically you're financing the bad guys because you're not worried to do a little bit of homework where to take a risk a little few risks and that Sorta the thing So one of the one of the person I apologize don't remember who introduced us but I get so many emails right and I get so many people trying to sell me. He stuff and I've got this thing I've got that right but there was something about When I was introduced to you I looked into it as like? This wouldn't looks pretty good. I get a lot. I'm like Oh man. This is a total scam. It was something like this guy just trying to rip people off and so something about it. I said okay. Let's just go on anarchist. Talk about it and I'll get get a feel for you and right now my feeling is you're awesome and one of the things that we were talking about was about you coming to an Arca Boko speaking doing something in America Poco but I told you you believe or are some of your people are. The people introduced us that We're only a month away so it's really tough to switch things up now but after hearing what you have to say. I'm just going to say if you're interested. And if the people in the comments are interested Just putting the comments. I definitely want to see him on at a knock twenty twenty and if payment can make in a week and work something account will definitely try to do it because we're totally on the same page. Be Happy be the my friends you know and let me let me Guess Jeff about what you do you know there was a group called Lobos prosperity. This like you do events like that back in two thousand and why should Jackson you speed mall with them and I went to other events out there and stopped doing my freedom events once year in America. Back in two thousand fourteen was the last one I did that and because I was just doing too much but I'm so glad you do much you're doing because in the freedom movement there's a need for different people like you and me to focus and different things in different areas that we all come together. There's no way anyone of us I can do that. And you had an interesting story of yourself. I watch on your Youtube Channel Hiking. The ball was very interesting. Your computer background get into same destination nation. We're going there but I always felt that you know what someone else is GonNa come around and do this kind of big events and have these speakers like my good old Griffin Congressman Paul in others to Do these events being an only looking richer gauge luke. You know all these guys I know there. You know because there's a hunger out this information and I want to thank you for doing a great job. I've perfect together. So thank you for what you do and I really appreciate that thank you and yeah. It's not easy I don't know how yours but man. It is not easy whatsoever but I think it is important and I think you probably haven't been to cocoa by if If the people have gone it's like it's been quite amazing. People are like. Wow this is like world changing type type stuff. So hopefully we continue on with that and continue to grow and people wake up and I really excited but what you're doing so I try to keep these little shorter but very thing window. We didn't talk about the like the mention or definitely mentioned your website and anything you want to mention because I'm all about what you're talking about. Well I like the way to do is I go to our website and live free now dot org and a gold get on her email list to get free education. Packet Mail to you. Free Moscow pays for our students are supporters weep a to have new people like you come into full the freedom to cut the freedom mm-hmm slavery so that's one on our youtube channel. Jeff Ah five followers August August. We'll find a lot of great information especially if they go from two thousand nine eighteen four videos on income tax. They can go back if they want to see Paul are two thousand or two thousand five back then Griffin. That can do that. It's so youtube channel. They want hear me speak back in two thousand one that can see my speeches their check me out. I'm real. You know looking and do that so then they wanna I suggest they go on and educate themselves on education materials tap. There's so much amazing information mation. They're going to be just grow same. Wow I'll give you one. This is my one of my favorite ones Jeff. I think you'll like this figures. They go the I arrest arrest but after if the former chief judge of the US tax course and indicted her for tax rhymes. Now think about this lady enabling Diane Gruber she was a head tax court. Judge the rules on income tax cases. I guess the people in the government decided COP authority income tax law in the country. So the Irish does your Dad City to graph the her on her husband in charger with various tax crimes. All based upon the ten informative task confession for him that she and her husband fault voluntarily and paid what they fill all the old the IRS. I think about it who can do a tax return correctly accurately bulletproof. You cannot the attack the task for judge right. This should be like the best you you know. She just rip the hours apart if they come after criminal case right she knows the law. Guess what she knew that. These ten Franco income tax confession forms always blown up in front of the jury jury and the fine line and says that these are filed and sign under penalty of perjury. You sweat through it that it is all true correct and complete with not completely true correct and complete what jail here's the raw on your neck has the irs put you in jail so she knew that so. She was looking at goal at prison for this up to about twenty years or more. So what does she do she no. She pled guilty and got thirty thirty four months up present. Fine non if you don't simply don't file tax you have been you want your maximum. Share Jackson got for four years. She's at three sentence three years. She was in jail as she fought them as she loves this lady. The task or chief didn't fight at all the good deals you got those people thing that by fine and panic attacks they do in a safe thing to do just to take chances awry be saved. No no no. I don't want to go there here. I'M A libertarian-leaning anarchist. Plays plays safe and just five taxes because I WANNA get in trouble facts you see this story and the documentation at Moscow's website a live free now dot dot org on their education material taps. Check it out folks. If you are leaving the red pill let me say my fence swallowed a bunch of big rig pills when he gave their rabbit hole lot deeper in. It'd be so glad you did. Thank you for a favor and take the time for yourself. Absolutely Louis and It's been a pleasure I'm GONNA have links to your stuff all down below. I don't know what's going to happen because we're only a month away from a twenty twenty but I hope you can at least make it down no matter matter what happens if not definitely. Let's talk about twenty twenty one to get you more involved because I love what you're talking about And please everyone in the comments. It's please check it out. Put any comments like Oh. I don't understand this. I didn't like this part of a you know. Just educate ourselves on on what exactly payments talking about. But would it sounds amazing and this is really something I've been kind of looking for. I'm like there's gotta be a way to get this stuff. And you know like you just pointed out it seems is like people taking action and educating themselves and not having too much fear that's what the whole system is based on that as you pointed out and and just standing up and doing these sort of things and and you can do so so awesome Really pleasure. I had no idea what to expect. I'd never talked to view before I just got an email and and now hearing what you had to say. You're like like we're going to be good friends. I think in the future like we. We got completely Along so is there anything else you wanted to. Maybe just mentioned website once more or anything else you want to mention before we wrap it up live free now dot org and Jeff on on behalf of you to come to an Arca POCO and when there's a will there's a way my friend you won't become will make it happen even to train my friends. I want to say my child. My Aunt Edith needs awesome. Yeah so we'll we'll figure it all out and please put in the comments down below what you think down below if you like this suddenly you WanNa see payment at the in our cocoa that sort of stuff and I'll leave it there. That's awesome information and I hope so many of you people look into it Because if payments correct and it sounds pretty like he is We can start getting a lot of people out of slavery start reducing the size of the government. Wake up more people. We can really change this thing so I hope everyone looks into it so I'll leave it there. Please describe share down below especially anyone who's got a tax problems obviously share this with them and that's pretty much almost everyone in the US share with everyone. You know This might get blocked. He knows because they don't probably don't want this information to get out there too much but We don't care we're never GONNA stop. We're never going to stop until the slavery and the oppression and the tyranny is over and And in one way or another so please likes Kardashian. That's Casper anarchy on Internet peace love and the so hyphen China. This the Beta investigation of Lebron's Jeffrey just to name a few tickets. You don't WanNa miss it. You should roll through talking politics to help their self movement the invested so many things now west. Thanks thanks learn how to live like four days by but not the time to connect all about growth way more than the conference. This is an Caputo Cho here. 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The number one hundred dot com from Springfield. This is State Week. A program of analysis analysis and commentary on the events that made news this past week in Illinois state government and politics today this bombshell l.. WBZ report rock state politics and email hinting at a rate cover up the two thousand twelve email from powerful lobbyists. Michael McLean was sent to senior senior members of then governor Pat Quinn staff in McLean pleads for leniency in a disciplinary hearing for a state worker and then vouchers for the man's loyalty he he has kept his mouth shut on Jones. Ghost workers the rape in champagne and other items the email read. He is loyal to the administration. This this person could describe such an act of violence against another human in such a breezy and dismissive way that race. The one in Champaign just is really beyond me I read this last night in probably is One of the most disturbing shocking set of facts that I've experienced variance as a member of the legislature needs to be accountability for what happened even worse. This individual is currently on the state payroll the person who did the right thing by keeping his mouth. Shut what I want to know is what is the rape. That's being alleged here. What what exactly the circumstances around around that what is there a cover up? That was done around that. And secondly what does this goes payroll in reference to was there wrongdoing associated with that. Who's responsible responsible trembling? Email from nearly eight years ago surfaces discuss quite a stir in state government and politics. We'll discuss that with the reporter who uncovered the email also a task force. That has been working on ways to bring property tax relief issued a draft report. Republicans came out critical. That and more coming up on state eight week I'm Shawn Crawford with me in the studios of NPR Illinois on the campus of the University of Illinois. Springfield is Charlie Wheeler. He's in America's professor and former director of the public affairs reporting program at us. He's also a longtime statehouse reporter in observer also with us in studio is the statehouse editor Brian mackey and joining us from Chicago we have. WBZ's government and politics reporter. Tony Arnold Tony. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me Sean. Don't a you were the one that uncovered this email that we mentioned and we want to get more into it. But let's start at the beginning. How did you come across this? I came across it through a I just filed a freedom of information requests. It's something that myself and other reporters do regularly I it's not like I knew this kind of this. E mail with this information was out there when I filed that freedom of freedom of information request. But when you work for the state government. Your emails are public record. And they're accessible if reporters just ask for them and this one's been sitting there for seven years and I don't think anybody else has asked for it The reason I did is because Michael McLean is a central figure in a an UN- as far as I can tell unrelated investigation from the federal prosecutors into lobbying activities at Commonwealth Edison. Addison the power company. That's that's serves Chicago in the Chicago region so Because Mcclain tied in with commented they. He was their lobbyist for a long time. It I just asked for emails that McLean had with chiefs-of-staffs of the last three governors going back about ten years of From from the current governor Jay Pritzker. Bruce Rounder to Pat Quinn. I got about three hundred pages of e mails back This one just stopped me in my tracks when I when I read it only what actually was in this email. What was what was the part that usually mentioned stopped you in your tracks? This is an email from July Thirty First Twenty twelve written by Michael Mclean at the time again. He's just a lobbyist and not just any lobbies though he's a very powerful lobbyists who's also very very close with Michael Madigan terms of both as a strategist But also as a friend and so in this email mclane is is Asking for leniency. For a state employee who is named Forest Ashby and Ashby apparently is about to face discipline for for not following. Orders in McLean is is asking for leniency. On Ashby's behalf to of then governor Pat Quinn's top aides Gary Hannigan Hannigan Jerry Sterner and in this in this email he's asking for leniency for Ashby. And then McLean ends the email saying but but Gary for God's sake do not let this disciplinary meeting. Get Out of hand. This man is a good compliance person. As I told you the office and the sheriff's love working with him he he has kept his mouth shut on Jones. Ghost workers the rape in champagne and other items his loyal to the administration. And I I understand that people are cynical about about government in Illinois in government in particular but this is not something that as a as a political reporter for the last several years. Now I've this is not something that I typically see. This was this was very surprising to me personally. and not just surprising what was is in that amendment. I think you had mentioned this before. purdue Talked to other folks about this that you were surprised about the response or lack of response as far as I can tell l.. There's no there's no replies to this email it's not like Gary Haniger. Jerry sterner the Quin AIDS row back to them and said and Mike what are you. What are you in the world? Are you talking about here. there's no. There's nothing like that and in fact if there's any indication about how powerful and influential Michael McLean was and is as a lobbyist. The next day he writes them a follow up email and he says I do not know what happened but I know nothing happens. Incidentally Ashby Disciplinary meeting was postponed. I thank you. This implies that there was action taken to benefit. Ashby be because Maclean wrote this There's several interpretations I know to. How McLean is writing this email? Is he making. Some sort of threat is to Hannity or S- termer that there could be some damaging information out there that that could become public if act if they don't act on Ashby's behalf a half that could just be another interpretation of this email that he's just simply asking for some help for a friend. The fact of the matter is we don't know no because the four people equipped to answer what the emails all about in the details about. It have not returned calls or emails or social social media requests for comment that includes McLean handed. S- termer in Ashby. No one has commented actually took the tip to to stake out. A Mike McLean actually had lunch at a at a nice downtown. Chicago steakhouse yesterday. My colleagues found out about it and rushed over there and caught him as he was leaving. McLean said that he wasn't going to answer questions about this email. And he indicated to didn't need that there might be some discussion going on with prosecutors or investigators in some way and he intimated that a Prosecutors have asked him to cooperate in their investigation and he left it at that. The implication here is that mclane is not cooperating parading. Prosecutors Charlie WanNa go to. You've watched the government for a long time. I think Tony also mentioned that you know. In all the time he seen government. This is not something you would. Normally we run across and certainly not something to be taken lightly. Just get your thoughts on what we've heard so far. Yeah I was actually totally surprised shocked because Yeah I've seen a lot of stuff in state government but nothing that would indicate that that someone actually do about raped. It occurred in they covered it up. I mean that goes beyond beyond the bounds in my judgment. I guess we're used to your crooked state officials officials swiping a few thousand here in a few thousand. They're enacting bourse towards women but the notion that you would Praise raise someone for helping to cover up rape. I mean that's just that's as I said it's beyond the balance just you know I'm like at a loss for words and that's the the kind of thing that should be investigated I understand senator. Brady's Republican leader in the Senate. Bill Brady his asked the Illinois State police to look into the champaign county state's attorney if indeed this occurred in her jurisdiction should be looking into it to prosecute. I mean. You can't just sweep this stuff stuff under the rug. It's just horrendous and Brian. This came from governor pritzker office this email but there's no indication the we don't want to speculate that the governor Pritzker scurr knew anything about this necessarily but you did talk with him this week. Are you have you. You've also seen some other things that have some other Locations where he has spoken this week has I. He weighed in on this at all. Yeah the governor this week was didn't appearance a couple days. After Tony's and his colleagues story I agree on this came out and he was asked Many questions about this we know. What is your office doing? Are you investigating. Are you calling people. His Basic Zik answer was he's given the information to the office of the Executive Inspector General to investigate and he doesn't really want to go beyond that because he doesn't want to interfere with that investigative process but he apparently had not spoken to house speaker. Michael Madigan about it at the time. Although the speaker did later get in touch with the governor and I think it's it's not not just the governor's reaction but how some other lawmakers have reacted to this. It took a day for House Speaker Madigan. Who Has Tony said is a friend? And and and and mclane is considered one of his top political co strategists assists and confidants The speaker put out a two sentence statement saying these are extremely serious and troubling allegations. I had no knowledge of the incident referenced in the story and Only learned of this today. I encourage those with any information to come forward and I thought the reaction to that statement was interesting state representative Kelly Cassidy okay. Who has been a very active on the metoo issue in Illinois? She said it should come as no surprise that he didn't know every single thing that's been revealed has has gotten the same response not knowing is foundational and fundamental to the entire design of the organization. So you know. Lawmakers used to be very reluctant into come out and criticize the speaker and now we are seeing An increasing boldness among some to say that this is unacceptable unacceptable. And you know there have been this series of revelations over the past few years not implicating the speaker himself but implicating people very close to him in terms of harassment and maltreatment of women and other staff and this is just the latest revelation that that calls into question. The people with whom the speaker is around himself. Charlie Charlie. Let me go back to you on this. Because Speaker Madigan he is not mentioned in this email. There's no indication he knew of this. This email necessarily but a lot of people would say Mike Mcclain's not going to make a lot of moves especially when dealing with the governor's office without the speaker having some knowledge or being involved evolved in some way so I just want to get your thoughts. I know that we're speculating in the sense but but you know the people have a right to be critical of him. At this point I would be surprised. Head McLean said to the speaker. Look I'm going to try and help one of my buddies from Quincy you know get out of this disciplinary thing and I'm GonNa talk about X. Y. Z. I think when McLean does anything the the people with whom he's interacting would have near back of the mind This is someone who's very close to. The speaker has influenced with the speaker so I really don't WanNa Cross them. I mean I think. That's all the investigation about comment is all about. But I can't imagine that Michael Megan would condone covering up a rape. Rape was certainly the it kind of go back on that Madigan I a roughly of the same age. We're both in her late seventies. I'm fact of about six months older than he is. And and as a young guy fifty years ago treatment of women by men was horrible and it was kind of taken for granted but even back then rape was not Condoned in so Madigan was caught by me tune. Some of the stuff that when we were younger maybe wouldn't passed off as boys are being boys. That kinda nonsense That's one thing but actually physical violation of another person even even way back then. That was not considered justifiable the term rape being in this email. I think certainly he caught the headlines and rightly so but there was At least another mention in there and that was as Tony I think read from that email earlier Tony at said regarding Jones Ghost pay rolling in. We again aren't sure exactly. What is being alleged here but there is possibility of putting two and two together right? Well potentially I don't know the fact. The fact is we don't know because nobody's talking. Nobody's returned our calls that includes foods to Jones's that I did reach out to that's former senate president email Jones and his wife Lori Rickman Jones. I reached out to them because at the time this is written in in July thirty first twenty twelve forced Ashby. The subject of this email was working for the Department of Human Services at a state facility. Ability in Rossville and his overall supervisor would have been Laurie Rickman Jones who led at the time the division of mental health and end so is this a reference to her as a reference to her husband. Email the the longtime state Senator It's not clear. Neither of the Jones reached out or would return my calls and emails and requests for comment. And so that's that's another element of this mystery. It should be noted that goes ghost workers goes payroll in is illegal. In fact there's a sitting state senator. Who's been indicted for doing that very thing for being allegedly doing that? Very thing on the teamsters payroll and so That is a series element of this to go back to the wear. Madigan is on this. I found it curious. The way that he worded that his Initial statement about this email after the story was published. He said that he was not aware of the incident in the email. I I don't know what what he's referring to when he says the incident. I I read it as that. He's referring to the rape and champagne and that means he's not acknowledging his his statement. What what this reference to Jones's ghost workers is and it's not clear to me whether imagine knows what that references to or not but I I would add in there in and I guess this kind of follows up on what I said before the idea of goes payroll ours is not at all shocking to me? It's No big surprise that there are people who get hired because of connections so better fact. We've had instances of recently although they were people who were actually working but they were working working for the governor's office and they were being paid by some other agency and years and years ago. That was kind of a version of ghost payroll thing but in my mind is I say that is that is really nothing. That's like filching Jelly beans from the candy store as opposed to talking the covering up an actual rape. Don't eat this happened. This email at least happened on governor Pat Quinn's watch but have you spoken with the governor. I heard from the governor regarding Anything he might know about this. The former governor was right once. It was clear that we weren't getting going to be hearing anything from the people bull on this email we reached out to governor Quinn himself When we talked to him he said that this this was the first that he's heard of this and that he didn't know what the content of emails referencing unseen? And that's that's where that stands at this at this time it's very possible that He might be asked for the questions questions about this I to go back to the response to this email and the story being published. It's a a lot of people have weighed in on it at calling for something to be done and I have a little list right now about where we sit at this moment We know that the governor Jay pritzker office forwarded this email to the executive inspector general in addition to that the Senate Minority Minority Leader Bill Brady. He asked the state police to investigate. This Republican Congressman from across Illinois as Attorney General Kwami Raoul to appoint a special prosecutor to look into this. Several lawmakers from both parties have asked both the US Attorney's office and and the Champaign County State's attorney to investigate this email and the claims in it and then in addition you have the House Minority Leader Jim Durkin asking for a legislative hearings into the email and the content of it including Forming a committee that would have subpoena powers to compel the people on this email to come forward and testified to lawmakers under oath Speaker Madigan rejected that idea. And and Durkan. Kinda had a spokeswoman spokeswoman had a snippy comment in return that I guess this isn't a doesn't rise to that that level of importance to the speaker but that's that's the kind of the check box list right now of where this is and the response. Is that this. This has generated so far. Would you be a possibility for the Senate to have investigating investigation into it with subpoena powers. The State Senate I don't know what would prohibit that from from somebody from asking for that to happen. It will continuing this position right now. Where where the Senate president is leaving office John Colloton and so it's not clear who the next Senate president is going to be? I read somewhere. That one of the candidates Senator Light I had said suggested that that you would be open to having a hearing in the Senate to get to the root of what happened in this this email. I think we have not heard the last of this. That's probably clear. And this is something that's going to continue to be subject going forward lawmakers not in session at this point but they will be coming back here and especially as we head were the end of the month and in February. And we'll see what happens then. Tony Arnold I know you've got to get going beyond some other shows to talk about the same subject so we're going to let you get a get a get away from us this year but I appreciate you taking time to be on week. I appreciate being here and thanks for having me thanks. Let's turn to another topic that got a little bit less headlines this week but it's certainly something that's on a lot of people's minds in the state of Illinois in that is property taxes always controversial subject Brian. There's been taskforce that was put together. It's been working Lawmakers Putting been working on this for a while now we get a little better idea of what they're talking about or what some of their solutions are. Can you walk us through. What's what's in the final product? Yeah it's a it's a task force like no other that I have seen. I think there were about eighty members of this task force so nearly Louis Half of the Illinois General Assembly were as a member of this thing and this came about as governor Pritzker was trying to push through the a proposal to put a constitutional amendment on the ballot for the graduated income tax and there were some lawmakers who say you know you are asking us to Potentially have income tax increases on our constituency while the thing we hear most about is that property taxes are too high and so they wanted at least something to be done if not substantive legislation well Then you have a task force in Illinois and so basically the the task force it was supposed to have its report out by the end of the year. It missed that deadline. There was a draft of that that was circulating this week and basically it says things is that have been out there these. There's no real groundbreaking ideas here consolidate government taxing districts. We've talked about on the show before how Illinois Roy has thousands upon thousands of taxing districts from Mosquito Abatement districts to your public library and fire protection and that of course school districts are the big big property tax assessors in this state Potentially standardizing property value assessments across the state Putting tightening up the appeals process. Of course there are some lawmakers who have private law firm work Specializes in property. Tax Appeals most notably house speaker. Michael Madigan Republicans were very quick to dismiss the findings of this report saying it doesn't go far enough. So the Republicans aren't necessarily happy with what they've heard so far. Have they come up with their own ideas of they offered up some things that might not be in this more comprehensive report court. Yeah I mean the the problem you run into with the property taxes is that it's like everything else with state budgeting. It's either a question of raising the amount of money that the state takes in or cutting the amount of spending that the state does and the same thing is true. Since as I mentioned school districts the big property tax Levy payers in this state. That's where most of the property tax money goes. And if you're going to reduce the amount of money that school districts are collecting property taxes. You either need to increase the amount of money they get from other sources namely the state which would mean the state would probably need to raise taxes either sales or income tax or you'd have to reduce the amount of money that schools are spending and the biggest expense for schools are people teachers and we just. I went through a four year. Term Governor Bruce Runner who made it sort of his mission in public life to try and reduce the amount of money that Illinois spends on people like teachers by reducing their collective bargaining rights. Taking certain things out of their union negotiating abilities like Their income and and he failed at that so whether they're really realistic alternatives to doing this. It it seems like There's there's still a a long way to go before we find that that solution. That's going to please everybody and Charlie when it comes to high property taxes. I know there are people that want to put the blame on Jay Pritzker. They WANNA put the blame on. Bruce Rounder Pat Quinn. Rodway rich but this has been going on for a long time in the state of Illinois we have had You know high property taxes especially in certain parts of the state I mean they are really high in some areas In as Brian mentioned schools are a big part of that. And there's some reasons for it and as a matter of fact according to the most recent Data available from the State Department review which collect statistics from all the taxing districts across the state. Not just school. Districts but counties and cities and special units of government the whole Shebang schools accounted for roughly sixty percent statewide of the property tax. Bill this was for or the taxes that were paid in two thousand eighteen and the variance between school. Districts is pretty great and in fact some of the highest property tax rates are in cities or or villages that have relatively low housing values and property value. It is a real distortion in there. But if you want to deal with property taxes you really have to look at the state share of funding. I went online and looked at a document that comes from the federal government on the way local schools are financed. And it compares compares. What percentage of the school spending in a state comes from the state local or feds and for example if you look at Illinois in Illinois? The state provides forty-one percent of the total funding for schools according to the federal report in neighboring Indiana provides sixty three percent. So if you look and you say oh property taxes so much. Slower in Indiana part of the reason is because Indiana pays substantially more state dollars towards US local schools than Illinois. Does Charlie real quick on that. I think they're going to be people that say. Well wait a minute. I'm paying to the state and paying locally. What's the difference? I think the differences people would generally agree that an an income tax is based more on one's ability to pay than a property tax a property tax remnants from the from the nineteenth century when the value of the land and possessions. That you owned was probably a good measure of your worth nowadays. That's not true anymore in so we have people on fixed income particular senior citizens that live in an area where housing values might be going up and suddenly. They're faced with property tax bills that they can't they can't manhandle in over the years. We've tried things like homestead exemption senior citizens exemptions property tax deferrals to try and mitigate the impact impact but in my mind. You're never GONNA be able to deal with the reality of high property. Taxes until the state assumes larger share of the cost of funding school state dollars probably income tax dollars. The only sure way to do is to give schools additional dollars in. Say That for every state dollars so you get you have to reduce your property tax. Levy the amount you ask for from property owners by a dollar. Let's go to our notes from the field. Charlie let's go to you first this last week. The Inspector General of the Department of Children and family services came up with some more heart breaking news and it was that between July first of last year and January first of this year just a week or so ago fifty. Six children died who had had prior contact contact with DCFS the agency that's charged with protecting children from abuse and neglect. And it's just another another indication the deep problems that we have with that agency Brian. Yeah there was a further. I think we talked last week about the first day of recreational marijuana on a sales while it continued strong for the next several days at least in the first five days of the state were selling this product. Ten point seven million dollars is of recreational marijuana was bought around Illinois some of the stories actually having to halt sales temporarily while they await for the next crop of product to come in now. That's is all our time for this edition of State Week and our panel included Charlie Wheeler Brian mackey. Antonio Arnold would WBZ get a podcast of the show and NPR Illinois Dot Org Org production assistance with the program provided by Bob Meyer. I'm Shawn Crawford. You've been listening to state week. 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It's Scou- weekend here at Daytona International speedway so. They figured why the scouts were here. They do the roar before the twenty four and bring out all the cars from the Rolex twenty four the prototype challenge the Michelin Challenge and have them come out here and do practice sessions and qualifying sessions all weekend. Long got a race coming up at twelve fifteen with the prototype challenge but the places won't boy scouts. What better way to get into racing some of these? This is the first time some of them ever been to a race track. Ever seen a race car ever seen a race and they get to see Tops world out here and they speedway yet the roar before twenty four compared to the Rolex twenty four commitment about three weeks. Well you know the Rolex twenty four is a is a really big deal and I can tell you out there in the in the in the wind and speaking of the scouts johnny bars. You you know you've heard me mention Jonah. On A. He's our master. ASC certified technicians are shop foreman. He's our shop Guru. He's also a scoutmaster and he spends almost almost every weekend spends all the weekends with his kids but his kids are scouts and One of his boys is almost almost At the top level of the scouting and I don't know a lot about the scout or Eagle Scout. Yeah thank you is almost an eagle scout and and what a big deal and I will tell you terry. The influence the scouts Make on young people so his his son I think Stephen was like twelve years old and he was speaking before or before some convention were with teenagers teenagers and he's up there. Twelve thirteen years old story was twelve years old and he wasn't even a teenager yet and he's he's producing this any ask his his dad. Ed Who is John and just do you need help. I got this dead. I'll let me help you prepare. No I got this dead and I will tell you. His Dad's sitting down in the audience and Terry was blown away he said where did this kid come from. He's out any noise do this and so it's really a interesting exciting riding and then recently I I saw a video on the new corvette and then now. They've started a thirty thirty under thirty with Jay. Leno was there for a car conqueror Della God. which is you know? Upper class car show and and there's a new class. That's thirty under thirty. Which means you have to be less than thirty years old or no more than thirty and you have to build the car that you're showing for under thirty thousand dollars so I'm excited because as you know folks like me and and car guys We're reaching the age where we wonder who's going to take our place and so I think whoever set up this scouting event at the Daytona International speedway that's-that's. That's pure genius so tell us a little more about it. Well the scouts come out. They've got the whole end of the track downturn three and a camping only area it's filled with with key would tents right now and we'll see how this stay where I'm at we're GonNa have weathertech championship practice rolling off that road any minute now so I might have to find it wider place to to to talk to you but it is as they're bringing out these cars. You talked about the corvette. We've got two of them. Here are Braxton. And it's not like the corvettes is sounds totally different looks different. It's all new corvette and here they come. I'm actually in between the road. Course I in turn would so got the mobile run the road course right now you can hear them in the background coming around and they're gonNA head up and turn into turn one income by me in the the opposite direction so in another ten seconds one hundred thirty three miles an hour set track record yesterday out here and And now the fun starts. These guys are literally literally pretty loud. Just the sound terrific Terry you you know you talk about the corporate now just for your information. I was really surprised to see this The corvette has re a hard top convertible and the convertible doesn't have a soft top hard top and it folds down. Get this into the back of the car while wait a minute now. The back of the car has all of the running gear the transmission the engine and so they've separated the engine in motion ocean impressed with that. And and I've yet to see one in person so we have an opportunity to shoot us some some photos of the corvette if you if you have the time I'm today or whenever and because I only get out and look at one but I haven't seen what I don't know. They own the showroom floor yet. I'm not sure they. They are but there on the racetrack. Right now we've got the full WEATHERTECH series out here we've got the Daytona prototypes. Lemons Prototypes so we got the the GT's which is gt Daytona and then the GT Lamont's there's four classes out on the track right now so all the cars are out here on the for the next little. While there's an autograph session going on with the prototype challenge guys in the vans on right now for the scouts and there goes one of the corvettes may do not look. It's not what you expect of a corvette. I bet it's a whole different. It's totally completely different car in sound well and to that end omitted and corvette and starts at sixty thousand dollars. It's it's just I mean what's not to like about that. I'd like to shift gears here and I'd like for you to share folks. I happen to know this because I've spoken with with Terry a little earlier. This week you had your own personal experience with a streetcar. I mean if you can call it that but tell us what you did earlier this week. got to BMW. Did this last year and did it again this year and they invited the staff and then media from the radio station to come out and they took her spill ride ride in the new twenty twenty. BMW M. A. and put this in perspective the car. They're racing on the track this weekend. As four hundred horsepower. This streetcar our has over six hundred horsepower off the showroom floor this one literally came off the assembly line less than a month ago. It's brand spanking new and Got The takes. Thanks Tom from the M W one of their professional drivers took a scroll up. It's all wheel drive four wheel steering and the intensity of it is just beyond your imagination. we started a downturn four and took off into the trial and I was the first one to go out and he goes I lap. Sorry we're going to have to take it easy the warm the tyres up but we'll make second lap By the time we came around the trial for the second time around we crossed the start. Finish line at about one hundred sixty and then dove okay down toward turn one and then all of a sudden he starts turning hard left into the infield got speed down to from what I could tell. I was leaning sideways. Who Jeep workers? I think around around thirty five to forty miles an hour and then accelerated back up to one hundred down to about thirty five again in the international were shoe and then back out on the road course first and then the jump back up under the speedway by the law and doing bound headed down the backstretch. It's unbelievable the car. You can feel it choline out the front wheel drive. I pointed out in into the corners and out of the corners. You could feel the car shifting under years the rear steering kicked in going through the chicane or the bus stop. I've taken ride alongs before this was intense. And it's a streak our top speed one hundred ninety miles an hour rated and it's faster than the race car is that now that's a really that is amazing in folks a four wheel steering car ever driven one. I have and four wheel steering car illicit. You're driving down the interstate state seventy five miles an hour and you want to ease into the other lane and and of course it doesn't take much of the turn of the steering wheel to move but the four wheel drive what happens. Is the rear. That car will crab the rear wheels. you know if you turn. Let's say you're in the right lane you want to pull out into the passing lane. The left lane you turn the wheel ever-so-slightly the front wheels turn lift but so do the back. Wheels turn left so the car then just sort of skates to the left side and Terry I remember specifically that the car gave me the feeling of it. All I had to do was think in the left lane and I was there now that same automobile below twelve miles per hour. The rear wheels turn the opposite direction. So if your parking parallel parking and you go to back up you say your right hand side you turn no steering wheel to the right. The rear wheels turn to the left. So the turning radius is unbelievably believably small because the rear wheels turn in the opposite direction. So you go round in a circle but of course once you get above twelve miles per hour it it the the wheels turn the front and rear in the same direction and as I said it crabs so that had to be for you A really exciting time. Listen to what I want to ask you for you to do. Because we're coming up on a break I want to. I have a couple of more important questions about what's going on at the Daytona International speedway way. We have a call from a New York material. You have time to still stay with us for free minutes. I'll come back to you. We'll finish that conversation folks. Don't touch the dial. This is exciting. 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These guys are out here and they're preparing for the twenty four hours and they're getting driver's comfortable with the cars. It's cool coming out here this time of year because everything's new. It's a brand new team. New Cars even setting up in the in in the pillbox area. I walked down period road. I get to do that. I get to see the new setup for difficult pit road and you've got to realize these guys are setting up everything they're planning or when they come here from the twenty four hours when they're here for three days and they run a twenty four hour. Arrays that Saturday Sunday. They live on pit road and so they've got to make these and on the road comfortable and set up and get all the logistics worked out before or the race gets here and that's what part of this weekend is too but it's it's just the drivers. Uniforms are crispin new. The team's got brand new uniforms new sponsors new paint jobs. It's it's all just amazing and that's what the fun I'm doing right now. I'm sitting here watching one section of the track and I've got the list of the cars and a team so that I can figure out who's who would blood as we go through speed weeks here in the next few weeks. Well like I say corvettes. They're just a whole different breed a car what the corvette used to be. Well what about locals can the the public get out on the track. naral track in the infield today. Yes the Infield Open. It costs twenty dollars. I think fifteen dollars today. Today's twenty because there's a race but fifteen dollars yesterday fifteen dollars Sunday and twenty dollars. You got full access the infield you can walk through the garage. The garage is open. Just like it would be the Laura Twenty twenty four hours is here. You have garage access with part of your coming into the track and the field. So yes it's full access and that's the fun one of it literally On one side of me. I got the Infield road course and the other side superspeedway less than one hundred yards apart. And I'm GonNa try this again and see if I can. They get a moment here. Satellite Riding ally the prototype and right after from BMW and that's it you're seeing the cars in the banking business probably closer to stock cars than what you realize because you can go to the showroom and by the car that comparable own speed manliness some of these cargo track. Well you know so interesting to me and then enclosing just one final question Terry share with us again about the scouts. SCOUSE was you said they pitch tents are you saying that they can spend the night in the infield three days. They come out here. They were out here yesterday morning setting up their tents early Friday morning or out here until Sunday. This is a scout jamboree. It's scouts from all Lord of all over the south. They come in here here. They have one whole end of the track is theirs scalped. Only and that's their section of of a of a camping area and they're here for three days and they get access there's autograph autograph session and the fans they're gonNa meet a bunch of the drivers like literally see drivers and that's the other thing that drives. We got walking down pit road yesterday. I'm talking. There's a guy walking next to him you know hey. Aj digger and Kyle Busch and Scott Dixon and and all these you know Hurley Haywood wandering around has five rolexes. Just these guys are. They're they're part of the show too and it's so much access to you. Get to them and the fun you get to them. And that's part of what this isn't a relaxing weekend. It's it's not the the twenty four hours so they're having fun to there enjoying the time bands and the track erasing that it's all new. That's what I like. Branding helmets paying jobs colors. It's just so I can go on ours. Well look I'll tell you what we have to go in a different direction. We're going to New York and take a call but teary as always thank you so much and I want to close with this at this particular time. Johnny Bars are master. ASC Certified that you know my guru in the shop here is on vacation on a cruise but but Y Y you know I can assure you on can assure you but I believe next year now the scout event that's every year right okay. Well and several years and they've gotten such a great response because it brings a new little better way to reach out to the next generation. Oh No no question so I'm going to mention that and make sure that he knows that he'll be back to work A Monday but anyway so much to talk about. And thank you so much. For and congratulations is relations to all the folks there and for sharing with us the latest in racing and cars and and kids and scouts and and everything. Yes yes here on bobby like his cartooning I sure appreciate it and I know that I know that all of our audiences do so. Thank you so much terry great to have you on the house today. Thanks bombing and I'm going to step out again. Give the ambient sound here. What's going on around me a beautiful day and then our race garden tonight? It's a gorgeous day international speedway. Koo Koo Terry savage. I'll tell you just doesn't get in but he's he's a nice guy and he's there I can assure you he's he gets he. He puts it a lot more hours he gets paid for but then again he's having a lot of fun as I will we're going to go from Daytona now and take a trip north to New York and talked to Joel. Joel thank you so much for your patience and for waiting. That was just exciting waiting to hear what's going on in racing center of the World Daytona Beach About what's going on in New York. Well I I wanted to say thanks for taking my call and man and what a segment with Terry. That was fascinating year very much. I'd never never knew that before but just absolutely fascinating. So it's Kinda to transition. Listen to my question is kind of insignificant in a sense but I'll still had a nineteen ninety eight mercury mountaineer And and I had a parking garage for probably six eight weeks okay. I went to start. It varies dead so jump started. It started hard which always started right off before starting hard and then when it did start it sounded like an exhaustively. So I I was. There was a Mechanic right around the corner so I took it over there and drove up. He come out he says you blew a spark plug. I says what And and so I was curious curious as to you know I never heard of you or but that's what it is the the porcelain part came right off. You know and dangling there Bryan was he's blowing. I didn't even know that the spark plug would be open like that. But have you ever heard of before. Yeah usually well most of the time. sparkplug blows out. The plug itself blows out because it wasn't properly tightened but if the center which which is the porcelain part blows out the nets because the plug. You don't let's face it. The porcelain glass. So they will ask is these are insulator between the high voltage of the spark and the actual Socket that screws into the head. You know the plug body right and so That's really not a big deal There's an easy out which is a reverse twist hardened steel and so what what he'll do is he'll simply Drill out what's left in there. They'll be pieces and maybe not might not be. Hopefully the whole thing blew out. And then he'll put this unit in there or he may just be able to if the center part blew out. Just use a regular heck's spark plugs and and pull out the remainder which is the part that holds the rest of it anyway are have you already gotten it out. No no like it's just he's only two houses away so I just pulled it over there and he's going to take 'em look at it but I just curiosity I mean when I like it never I never heard of that before. How does that happen? Yeah let me let me share this with you because it's really interesting and and for all your technicians out there or do newest yourself irs. Here's a little interesting factoid. So if you have a metal plug which is the spark plugs Birdie and then you have within the metal plug of course the center hole where the electrode goes through and the electrode is mounted did and sealed from the Mahdi so because of the voltage with glass wood ceramic. So so how how could you possibly Secure the ceramic within the shell of the spark plug body. I mean so you say well you crip it and and it is crimped. But here's a mom line that's just put your finger in your grab your finger with your hand and if you queasy hard hard enough metal has a memory and metal is also flexible so if you squeeze the spark plug body auty hard enough that it would hold the the the glass you would destroy the glass. You'd crack it. It's what they do is if you look where the heck's head is on a spark plug it all you techies. Listen this because very few people know this. I've actually seen it in action. If you look at where the heck's head of a spark plug any sparkplug is and then you look at the the the round part below that Edward the and then the gasket goes on underneath and threads or at the rest of the bottom if you look in the middle. Let's call it the belly. If you look in the center belly of a spark plug at the metal part you'll see US discolored. Because when they make the porcelain and then they run it through a kiln and and Roy and it goes from Dust into a hardened ceramic and then afterwards they have to seal the the ceramic. I make into the body what they do very interesting. They run a current around the belly of the spark plug and it glows red and when it does that take the current off and then when it seal when it wanted to out of course take the current off and it glows red. Then it cools off and when it cools it heightens and forms to the ceramic but the ceramic has more power than the metal because the metal is simply cooling off. So there's no outside crimping machine that's forcing it in that I think is so interesting and I learned that And Gosh in nineteen eighty eight eighty nine eighty eight in Germany. When I watched Bosch Spark Plug and and I will tell you talk talk about Osha? This plant that I I went to an Osha. They had just hopper look like a grain upper. Let me I must have been ten feet tall and and and five feet in diameter and it all came down to a little tiny box of twenty four for spark plugs and it was going and it was depositing Dust and dust was ceramic dust of course because it was dust because because it was filling the air with particles and we you know there were people in there no mask on. I mean this was in Germany and Julie Very interesting and so so I was able to follow those boxes of freshly are being manufactured sparkplugs and this was at a plant where a good a friend of mine was the his name was gear. No K Dee Heck and there. He had seven thousand employees at that Bosh Plan. Hey gotta go. There's a Joe. Thank you so much for sharing your problem and in incidental and folks triple eight car call with your problem. Don't don't touch the bow. We back a twenty four escape recently. Came into the shop. 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The cars performing noticeably better and MPG has has improved a bit learn more about very much four step professional air and fuel management maintenance get and other great products at BERRYMAN PRODUCTS DOT com. You're listening to bobby like his car clinic. And now back a two body and your host Bob Hope you had a fantastic Colorado and I hope that you really had a safe in enjoyable New Year's here's Eve You know more and more folks are people ask me I mean. I think that's just sort of a common question. Hey what are you gonNA do New Year's Eve and Depending on the age Which means that experience of the person that you're asking it's like I'll be at the house house? I'm not getting out of Monroe with all those crazies and we did go out on my wife and I joined some Some friends at a local eatery eatery we really enjoyed it and we took uber and so I got to the restaurant and it's one of my favorite and there was a wide open space right in front of the restaurant. I mean two spaces and usually I like to park my car. There will not drive and I said so I turned to my wife in the back seat. That Uber and I said there's a there's a place put my car. I can be right there. It'd be safe and you know and and we're not gonNA drink a lot going to eat you know. And what have you I. I want to get out of the UBER. We stayed you know length of time. We've helped close the place up really really enjoyed and we know all the folks at the restaurant all night long. Those two places were were open and I just couldn't believe that I lost an opportunity to show you how the mind works L.. Felt so dumb because what they had done on his. They'd say those places because they were using them for you know the parking you know the valet a parking and normally fabio was like looking at it right in front and we always fight. I say we always fight vie for the parking place in and there's some parking places then from the last place that you park in front of the restaurant to the corner there. There's room enough for car not legal parking but if the car that's parked at last one is not quite fill the the complete markup you can park there as the rule. You don't get a ticket. I have tickets are on Saturdays after the program so I quit parking there now but the bottom line is there was in my mind thinking about well I replace so it just goes to show you that that what you really think and you think you know what's going on and for all for good good idea that they had because they were doing but we did uber they were knew what they were doing. The valet parking but it was really very interesting and also another a share another story with and I get emails all the time. I let me invite you you to call AAA car clinic. Hannah will take your call at triple eight two two seven twenty five forty six if you have a story to share maybe a good store. Maybe a shot. That saved you a lot of money or maybe you want for the year. Twenty twenty you. You want to know more about what to do to your car to add life or maybe what to do to your car to bring it back to life and speaking of that. I recently received this this week. An an email from carpet and listener Who Ward to know? If there was a product that he could add to the engine oil of his car been sitting out for twelve years That would help stop oil leaks. Of course what I sent to him. L. And I won't read it verbatim but not is recommended that he had the Berryman be sixty high mileage oil rejuvenator because it's formulated. They did to revitalize seals and gaskets and that helps stop engine oil leaks although folks no additive will repair a damaged or cracked act gasket or seal but the Berryman be sixty will actually leap. It's noninvasive in the first step to reducing leaks so just for your information I thought that was really Kinda neat that I would get that question and in immediately asked is there a product that really will stop oil leaks and and I if the if it depends on the severity of the League obviously but it's a great product. It's called Berryman be sixty high mileage joyal system rejuvenator which also cleans and protects the crank case and the engine oiling system for all gas powered vehicles. And and here's a little trick that I learned I say trick you know what's in that stuff we always wonder what's in this stuff and I'm buying well This embarrasment V sixty high mileage awesome rejuvenator contains and this is a product that I knew about before zinc based Z. d. d. p. m. a.. Lived them which fight friction heat and wear and It's really safe for cabinet. Converters and oxygen sensors show just for you. You don't know the oil that you have in your engine. Today does not have Z.. 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That is my personal email address I used to spend fifteen hours Fabio fifteen hours a week answering emails fifteen hours hours a week and so I took my email off line and if you look at our website cartoon network For email you you won't find it except on Thursdays because they used to open it up on Third Tuesdays and Thursdays because we produced a pal talk program on Thursday day for an hour and then on Tuesday. I forget why we did it for some reason but one of those days so occasionally one will come through because my email all will be easy to fool when somebody goes there they can find it. You know but meantime folks if you if you do have a specific question but if you do send me an email me and I'll take time to do that. I have more time these days Make sure that you put your year make model mileage mileage and Your v I n number the vehicle identification number. That's the birth certificate of your car so that Off Lineup don't use computers in the studio here but offline during the week I can look at my database and and find specific answers. Church two issues with your car that otherwise I wouldn't I wouldn't be able to to answer properly. I'd say properly Answer questions and here on his car clinic that are generic in nature. But understand this. And this is a bone of contention. I have with regard to looking online signed for questions and and and solutions the questions and solutions that I share here and or that you see online are not specific to your automobile. They they are I- Generis is my answers because if you really have an issue with your specific car it takes hands on Hands on real technicians to really solve the problem. Now that's not true. For adding a chemical the oil or fuel or two maybe changing changing or viscosity of oils. And what have you Or the type of oils. I mean generically. We can talk about it. But you couldn't call me and say you know I've got a a nineteen two thousand and five Chevrolet. What's the Best Saas tied to put on all who knows it'll look at what the car calls for look online show? It was really really interesting. there's another Email that I received about diesels. Now tell you straight up. I don't a lot about diesels They're much better these days. While I know is they were noisy and smelly and those sorts of things but these days They're they're much quieter because of the design of the engine. And what have you and the real problems that we see with. diesels are not with the diesel engines. It's with the smog devices that are mandated for the diesels and you have filters and and particular matter all soot that comes out. Well the soot that comes out is trapped in the filter. There's a soot filter and that's where you get the flu which is you add the fluid and that fluid Actually the the device itself the device meaning the vehicle goes into cleaning mode and actually you can clean it yourself because it takes forty five minutes to an hour. Imagine in this. Imagine this filter that you drive around. We'll change a filter. Well no how do you clean the filter of all ultimately only ill. It will stop up and vehicle will stop running. What they manufactures did is they? They inject filter with fluid and diesel fuel rule and they caused the temperature to go crazy. And this happens as you're driving but only when the throttle only under certain conditions. It's just really interesting. I want to go into to how how that procedure works. But I will tell you it's really A longer procedure than you think. Because you don't know when it's happening until maybe a check engine light comes on and then you're warned you got a problem them here and if you drove the diesel for instance you BMW years ago. You got a diesel engine and you're in you don't have the fluid in it and you drive it. The light comes on your loan. Fluid your lower fluid in your out of fluid and then it gets to the point where okay no more and it will not start art. It is electronially your electrically locked out of using your vehicle because it you let it run out of the fluid. Let's go to take a call from Stan Good Morning Stan. Welcome to bobby like his cartoon. Thanks for holding. Good morning our things at your marvelous place. I've been excited to listen about the things that are happening in Daytona's you remember my racing heritage. Eric was all those kind of people down there. I think I think so too stand. It excites me. I've been there many many times. We've produced a more than a dozen remote carpeting broadcast from there From the college there From also wha- John Hall Chevrolet From the race track and every time. But I've been just overwhelmed with How friendly people are and people? Don't that I've never thought that I'd meet. We'll come up to me and say hey I'm George from Ormond beach and you help me one day of my the car about ten years ago ten years ago so it really is exciting but anyway what's on your mind this morning well I had a wrote my cs five At about three and a half years from new Battery failure and I didn't anticipated suspended. I didn't hear IT I. I have gotten used to the fact that there's less backup on the batteries on these new cars and try. I would never really had any hard starting never raw which is usually. Yeah you get that. Yeah Yeah you get that warning especially you. Having Automotive Matt ground that warning sound but deer say start fine star found all of a sudden no start. That's right leaving from dinner. I what they're and and I got into the car and trust the break down the start button and the whole dash went into. I don't know if you remember a Pacheco machine but it but it was crazy yeah lightening and and there was a come in from underneath the hood and I tried reversing did lots of stuff. Okay well also if I could get a slave start. I'm went to the hatch on the back and it's electric and I couldn't get into the hatch to get my cable saw. Ah So what I didn't think about that. Yeah and that's the reason I'm calling to to cause people though that sometimes well a nice jumper cables are now under the passenger seat and Anna. Replace the battery with With a not a flooded battery. Get your suggestions. Cost a few bucks dieted all Riley says. Oh you'll need a battery in this thing for a while now. Well funny thing you should say that because we had I recently in the last month or two a customer came in and his car was less than four years old. He'd had a battery issue. It really put down at the worst possible time and he came in and talk to rusty our service manager and he said okay fix fix. My car are put put a battery in it. I want a good battery and we put an AGM battery in that vehicle and you never have to worry about it again. I mean I say they not never. Nothing's forever but I will tell you I'm glad you bought the AGM battery You know and and obviously they they are partners sponsors of car clinic but Klarius and I'm not sure if you've heard this or not Klarius who now is Probably well one in three batteries. Stand into world in the world is a clarice and claris acquired heard Johnson controls and every hour. They they actually recycled eight thousand thousand batteries every hour of every day of the year Unbelievable it's a great Guy Klarius. Yeah Hey thank you so much for your call in for your heads up on opening the trunk when electronially opened and all happy New Year to you. Thank you Sir Bobby and folks to that in this week I had another customer call with a two thousand and nine thousand nine Lexus with a dead battery And and the reason it had a dead battery because he had a radar detector wired to directly and it ran the battery down Tom the problem was and he knew this because he'd had this problem before but he loaned the car to his daughter and it was in his daughter's house. The Lexus had a key. FOB under the a above the tag license plate to get in mechanically. That's all the time like us. You'll love bobby like his car clinic. Bobby like his car. Clinic is a copyrighted presentation of Car Clinic Productions Inc and may not be reproduced or rebroadcast. The express written approval of Car Klay Productions Inc folks. You Never WanNa get surprised by dead ED battery a vehicles original battery generally last about three to five years but many fail long before the end. Next time you're in for an oil service. 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Blaze for any of those moves and efforts seemed to have all but stopped since a US attack on Baghdad airport activist post reports a US joint operations with Iraq back shortly thereafter fearing quickly get into fighting after that ever wonder where we find all the news report right here on the liberty meet visit. SNL L. S. DOT news to get the world's most censored media published all in one place. Save yourself from the endless time spent searching for reliable alternative media. SNL The last news makes it quick and easy no ads. No Click Bait just roll headlines Twenty four hours a day this it s dot news and get informed today. Hey without the corporate media spend your news now continues the infamous United Kingdom Police Department. Scotland Yard is refusing to reveal prince. It's Andrew Location on the night that he is accused of being with Virginia. Gregory one of the young girls traffic by Jeffrey Epstein. Who was underage at the time? She claims the Duke had sex with her. Members of the Royal Family are regularly accompanied by police guards in their day to day activities and there are records of where and when the officers were sent or at the very least a record of which which officers worked on which day if the records were to be made available to investigators they could easily determine where Prince Andrew was in the night in question but police are saying saying that handing over such information could pose a threat to national security. The minden leisure warns that during his disastrous. BBC Interview Andrew Claim that he was at a pizza takes brass in woking on the night that then seventeen year old reverie says the pair visited a club and later this week Air Force General John. J. Raymond was sworn in as the chief of space operations for the new United States base force while it was initially reported boarded s somewhat of a joke when Donald Trump first announced it the. US Base Force is a very real thing and is now the seventh military branch of the Pentagon. The the mind unleash reported on Tuesday. Raymond was sworn in by Vice. President Pence has ceremonial office. The Space Force will be comprised roughly sixteen thousand officers and other personnel perssonel from the US Air Force and US base command. In Fact Raymond is himself commander both the Air Force Space Command and the US based command possibly signaling that the agencies not we'll be working very closely and consisting of many of the same members in addition to the personnel from other agencies. The Space Force was granted. Forty million dollars through the Twenty Twenty National Defense Authorization Act Support for the liberty is brought to you by the homestead guru. The homestead guru is an educational website site offering tips tools news stories and commentary on everything home. Standing topics include green homes. Gardening animal husbandry. Do It yourself home. 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So if you have an issue with coolant leak. Don't just sit. Casey William and welcome to Bobby. He likes his car Finnick. Thank you for holding you understand. You have a five caravan. Let's talk about uh-huh Find Caravan had I just had tires put on it but afterwards well driving it Between forty forty fifty miles an hour I sorta get aside wobble and at first I thought okay. Well let's let's run out on the tires but if you apply a unload give it to you if you apply low you get a wobble as soon as you back off on accelerator. I mean within a half a second. It smooths out so okay okay. Well I don't think it's a tire because continue to run out with. Continue to run down Three point three engine front wheel drive aligns. TV going out in or siege on ener. Yeah Yeah Yeah it's really it's early yeah to happens you would think you know. It's as inner and outer and the The the outer of course usually when that's where a- all of the two CV joints NFC actual the inner and the outer the outer one that tests to steer the wheel and drive the wheel around the corner. Show often used this analogy. You know if you drill a hole in. Let's say you'RE GONNA put up shelf and you take a drill and drill a hole in the wall. Well you go perpendicular as best you can you can drill a hole straight in in the wall right well. An actual doesn't do that because it s a drill will the whole are turned the wheel when you turn so. It'd be like you're gonNA drill a hole in the wall in your in your name the drill parallel with the wall well. How's IT GONNA doubt that drill going to turn this doesn't happen and that's where CV joints allow because their multiplicity of trillions and and balls and and ball ever had one apart here quite ingenious how they're made now I said all that to say that when a CV joints goes bad William Liam And partially a fixed minicars minicars by doing this. I found a parking lot like the mall. And where there's no other cars parked around. Turn the wheel locked lock and don't hold it hard against the law because overloads the power steering pump but turn it all the way and then back golf in two fingers and now you've got it Exercising the outer CV joint and you let the car idle and let it go around circle forward and then put it reverse and go around the circle backwards and what you're doing is you're working. SEAVY that out or joint to its extremity comedy. And when you do you'll get a little puff. Puff Puff up whenever it crosses over a bad track within the CV actual now all that said has to do with the outer one on the inner one doesn't move much I mean it's a CV join in as much as it does travel in and out because the actual moves up and down so the distance the has to be some slip there with you. Know secured slip. I'll say that motion internal motion but because it's attached to the transmission and because it is the the driver of the actual you will get vibrations from a inner CV joints that exactly matches your description so it would would be my recommendation to right now. The question is which one is it and the bottom line. How many miles you vehicle about one? Fifty it sixty okay. I recommend you have a shop that you frequent shopper frequent. Yes okay okay then talk to that shop owner and and get a price to replace Actual Assembly and a new one is the way way to go O'Reilly auto parts. You can buy those new actions. You don't fix those things anymore. And when I first came out we used to try to see them in what have you. We don't do that any longer. We replace with brand new parts so You can go to a reilly auto parts or you can request you know That we use the like master Astra pro is one of the brands. That and I'm not sure that master pro makes the the CV joints but that's one of the brand. Come to mind doesn't matter because you're shopowner shopowner. We'll know but get a price from your shop. Owner to replace both axles and then back mark. Yeah because you've got one hundred and fifty thousand miles so so season I mean it really really so that thou you're gonNA solve your that's going to solve your problem. Okay okay all right. Thank you very much. Thank you glad you called Avenue. Thank you almost forget by AAA. in-car clinic triple eight two two seven twenty five forty six. This is a brand new show. I show number one showing them on Kosh. Let's see multiply. The shows twenty eight years on the air two hours Probably average I dunno uh-huh Tin Calls and our s twenty calls You know Over the lifetime Plus television for a quite a few years plus Thursday show in one of these days. I'll do the math. And who cares but it's interesting to see how many questions that I've answered and We've had a lot of folks that have been really gracious to me and and throughout my radio career here and You know it's no longer only only radio now. It's a network global cast and recently we had some of our Watch Bobby Live folks to say happy. The New Year and those sorts of things Captain Jim you know and in Las Vegas Who is really neat guy? And one of these days The cabin promise that I'm going to take you up on your invitation to be a judge for the International Chili contests. occurs every year. The challenges is they're usually owned out the west coast. And that's a long way for me to travel so one of these days. You'll have one of your competitions a little closer to the east coast. Maybe even in Florida while no how about that so so folks I ask Jim one day I said well you know I got this nice a badge that says International Chili. Cook off judge and I'm not but I got the edge and I got the invitation. Get it every year and I said well you know really i. I know what good Chili really tastes like to me. But I can't say that I know enough about Chili that I could be a judge. He's well we understand that show. We have The classes before the Saturday. And it's really interesting Fabio. They have the Saturday Sunday event but they have classes. That help you to judge the Chili. And I think that's really and you say well. Gosh how do you how do you know how do you judge like that way you know. Well I guess when you think about it think about Mashed potatoes versus whipped potatoes. I mean personally I liked. It whipped potatoes tatum. Being just creamy love the cream and so I presume that that's the same thing but anyway I I didn't mean to get into food except food sure is great great and I love it and I love to go out to eat and so triple eight car fanatic if you'd like to give me a shout and we'll talk about cars and what they what they eat besides gasoline. What what what makes a car tick you know a lot of people? So this week I bought a product. I've got it right here in my hand. It's a performance chip chip. I won't give a brand name because I haven't used it yet but I bought it because it's for all cars and it claims to add thirty five horsepower and I was interested in a horsepower. I don't care about the gas mileage. And what have you. My car gets excellent gas mileage. It gets twenty six point seven at seventy nine miles per hour. I'm happy with that so I'm not looking for gas mileage But I am looking for another thirty horsepower. I think that's really interesting show. I bought this unit and unfortunately it's had every car listed listed. Well that doesn't make sense to me show. I reached out to their support and I got a reply from gentleman named bill and I share. I just would you folks. I won't share the brand name I have not installed it because the instructions are incorrect or incomplete and so it says you know if you need help reach out to your mechanic well Duh. Okay I you know and even reaching reaching out to your mechanic which would me being reached out to me technician and my group of technicians. This unit still does not clear. It's a weather. He had attached to the two wires. It says. And you remove those two wires or you leave those two wires in position. It's all about the air temperature sensor and it's about changing the value of the air temperature sensor they get this. That and this was the explanation that I got it. Says what does unit does it changes the value of the air temperature sensor and it fools the engine into thinking that the air is cooler. And it's like supercharging. Your engine will folks you can. You can fool your engine but you don't get increased volume of air in your engine with any kind of device. The only way you can increase the volume volume of air in an engine is to blow it in with a turbocharger or superchargers so that statement alone is incomplete and inaccurate Challenged it and then I went on to American Express where I bought this and I looked at the mailing address of the American Express. I pay and I looked at the online address of this packet that I'm holding and they're not one in the same so I suspect I have been spammed but I'll tell you this if I have been I will share it with you on future broadcasts and the good news is is. I'M NOT GONNA pay for this but I can't even send it back because I reached out five times now I've gotten one initial reply and then when I went back to asked for more information like I was instructed to like wiring Diagram schematic. I've heard nothing from this company so I'll I share with you a little more about that a little bit later or not I if I get a call and I get help then I'll share it with you on a positive side if I don't Warn you not to buy this product. The Massachusetts right to repair coalition has gathered the amount of necessary signatures for twenty twenty ballot initiative. What is that the right to repair? Oh and and and I'll do. The short version is was originally created in Massachusetts that Gildas independent shops and owners of vehicles the right to all information required to repair and or maintain the new car. They buy or any car on the road that comes under this law and that's all cars and so so. This is really important because now there is time for an update of the an enhancement of the twenty thirteen motor vehicle vehicle right to repair law the key provisions of the initiative an initiative is In Oh commencing in Mali Twenty twenty two and thereafter a manufacturer of motor vehicle sold Including heavy duty vehicles having gross vehicle weight of. Let's say fourteen thousand pounds that utilizes a telematic system. Shelby required to equip such vehicle with Inter operable standard is is an open access platform across all the manufacturers makes and models and think about it in nineteen ninety six the obt to to port was invented. I'll created or designed and installed on all cars for ninety six and that allows you you as an owner or me as a shopowner to access the computer for what for information to that complex vehicle vehicle to help us to repair that vehicle well as cars get newer and newer and become self connected to the manufacturer. The manufacturers are able to drive those cars literally update those cars but dr the owners back to do the selling dealers. Show understand this. That's okay except that information has to be available to you and to me as well and that's what this is right to repair act. I'll share a little more about that with you on next week's program. I think it's important because information that needs to be available to everyone who regard to your automobile service. You should have availability too so that you won't be dictated as to where you have to take your call for repairs. Is that simple. Maybe it's not that simple. But that's the premise of it. And and that's the reason for it. I really enjoy coming to you and I appreciate your confidence in me here on bobby like cartoony every Saturday. You've you've heard me mention Omni. Craft Auto Parts Omni craft is owned and trademark a- Ford Motor Company. So if you don't drive a Ford Award or Lincoln what do you need Ford Parts. 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Iraq's parliament voted one seventy two zero earlier this month on the ouster though US officials have said they don't intend to leave and have denied actually being asked still following the threat Abdul Mahdi now says he wants to leave the question up to the next government that could take some time as Abdul. Mahdi nominally resigned last month and there has to be work on reforming election. Law and holding fresh elections meant to placate the anti-government protestors. There's no timetable. In place for any of those moves and efforts seem to all but stopped since a US attack on Baghdad airport activists post reporter. US joint operations with Iraq shortly thereafter after hearing they'd quickly get into fighting after that ever wonder refined all the news to report right here in the Liberty beat visit S. and LS DOT news. It was to get the world's most censored media published all in one place. Save yourself from the endless time spent searching for reliable unitive media. SNL S. News makes it quick quick and easy. No ads. No Click Bait just roll headlines Twenty four hours a day visit. SNL DOT news and get informed today without the corporate corporate media spin. Your news now continues the infamous United Kingdom Police Department. Scotland Yard is refusing to reveal. Prince Andrew's location on the night that he is accused of being with Virginia. Gorie one of the young girls traffic by Jeffrey Epstein. Who was underage at the time? She claims the Duke had sex with her. Members of the Royal Family are regularly accompanied by police guards in their day to day activities and there are records of where and when the officers were sent or at the very least a record of which officers worked worked on which day if the records were to be made available to investigators they could easily determine where Prince Andrew was on the night in question but police are saying that handing over for such information could pose a threat to national security. The mind unleash awards during his disastrous. BBC Interview Andrew Claim that he was at a pizza express in woking on the night that then seventeen year old referee says. The pair visited a club and later headsets this week. Air Air Force General John. J. Raymond was sworn in as the chief of space operations for the new United States base force while it was initially reported as somewhat of a joke when Donald Trump I announce it the. US Base Force is a very real thing and is now the seventh military branch of the Pentagon. The mind unleash reports warranted on Tuesday. Raymond was sworn in Vice. President Pence had his ceremony office. The Space Force will be comprised of roughly sixteen thousand officers and other personnel from the US Air Force and US based command in fact Raymond is himself a commander of both the Air Force Base Command and the US base command possibly signaling that the agencies will be working getting very closely and consisting of many of the same members in addition to the personnel from other agencies. The Space Force was granted. Forty million dollars through the twenty twenty the National Defense Authorization Act Support for the liberty is brought to you by the homestead guru. The homestead guru is an educational website offering tips. Tools news stories and commentary on everything home. Standing topics include green homes. Gardening animal husbandry. Do It yourself a home Remedies Alternative Energy Survival Ism and schooling and more. Those details are found online at the homestead dot guru. This this is the liberty beat powered by the network at SNL S Network Dot Com. 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I tell you that I because I remember of course listening that day and I think whatever reason he key didn't turn up you turn it into a couple of hours of amazing hazing radio and and just the caller is calling in jumping down Paul's throat and the ban it's still stands out to me is one of the Funnier as on the jungle and one of the better things I mean you turn into the proverbial chicken chicken valid with fantastic Yoyo. What's what's cracking? Welcome to the Jim. Rome podcast the first Jim Rome podcast of the New Year at one. Ten to be exact. And we've got a great one for you today. It's it's great because it's different. I'm changing up on you. Why the Samra Amway does anything because they can today? I'm going with a personal passion not. I'm a huge music guide. If you know that you probably know my favorite band ever is probably the replacements and there's nobody anywhere who knows more about this legendary band than Journo sonos slash producer. 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What's going on Bob? How are you I appreciate it Jimmy? It's a privilege and a pleasure so thanks for having me on all right so now you wrote the definitive definitive story of the replacements. Trouble boys the true story of the replacements. Now they're probably Bob. My favorite band ever had frontman. Paul Westerberg not disrespected affected juggle as badly as he did. In the mid thousands. There'd be no doubt but then again I guess I gotta be Real Bob. I gotta be honest because I loved all that that Rockstar crap. The Paul used to Paul until he pulled it on me so I have to own that but as you know time heals most wounds for those who do not know. This is a band an amazing band with a remarkable story. If you don't know the band music how would you describe the replacements and their place in rock history. Well I would say their band. That probably has influenced And probably all your favorite bands influenced the whole sort of era of music and their impact probably far outstrips what their actual commercial you'll sales where they were they were Kinda the proverbial sort of The band that could have made it but didn't and And yet at the same time you know. They're they're they're impacting. Their legacy is is is really kind of grown. Almost in their absence they they existed for about twelve years in the eighty started in seventy nine broke up in ninety one so really were an eighties band Put out eight records in that time. Half were Indie label records.

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"Coop getting a handle on the equipment. She already knew plenty about crop and soil science in part because she studied in college soon she'll be choosing her seed and chemicals and making countless other the decision. She can't yet anticipate. Many of them will be financial. I will lie in that. I'm nervous in knowing whether or not I am good enough as a a business person to be able to sell my crop and make sure that I cover all of my costs the latest. USDA census shows the average age of a primary farm producer in this country. His risen to fifty nine years old. The number of young farmers is not keeping pace with the number of farmers aging out of a field. That's according to the national young farmers coalition which argues argued. Federal Farm Policy should do more to address barriers to entry. The latest accents is showed more very big and very small farms. The number of mid sized farms between five hundred thousand acres actually dropped by about thirty percent Maria Burn. Gin is an assistant professor of agribusiness at Illinois State University. She says those those who inherit farmland often end up selling it to other farmers in the area who are looking to expand so as you have fewer farmers doing that work And more more opportunities off the farm for the younger generation and fewer people growing up on farms in general. I think it's really sort of a natural progression that that average farm operator reiter would be getting a little bit older each time we do. One of these census reports another barrier is time itself people who grew up on the farm and WANNA take over may have to wait for dad mom or even grant to retire farm income which is declined nationally since a peak in two thousand thirteen can only support so many people and I have a lot of of individuals in my classes here to state that are looking at that exact situation. This dynamic plays out again and again sixty seven year old John Olsen farms corn and beans. In mclane he left the family farm himself for about ten years before returning at age. Thirty is parents still did a lot of hand holding those first few years after he and his brother took over Olson's Sen's dad technically retired at age sixty five to grow it out of the combine for the last time at age eighty seven so twenty two years after he retired he actually retired. Art also called the demographics of a room full of farmers a couple of years ago at professional development event. I've just blown away with a room full of three hundred people and I think the last time I did this. I was sixty two or three and I think I was throwing the age curve off to the low side being there. I think a lot of the guys that were there. There were older than myself. Burns advice to young farmers is to network get to know more established farmers landowners even asked to job shadow with one. You so you kind of treat it as almost a job interview you make it known that you want to become a farm operator you want to rent farm grounder increase the number of acres you're renting you produce a Almost well not almost a farm mission statement you produce a document that says here's my mission mission as a farmer. Here's the equipment. I have available to me. Here's my experience. Here is how I will take care of your farmland. If you choose me to be a renter I caught up with Gracie winds early on a recent Friday afternoon during harvest. She had a tractor cab full of leftover Halloween Candy. She waited for Uncle Dave to dump another load of corn so she could drive over to the grain elevator in nearby Stanford Gracie says. She's not ready to ask for a bigger share for families. Five Hundred Acre operation until her dad or uncle Dave decides to retire. Step back you know. Farming is a very multi generational thing and and so right now honestly. There's not room for me on this farm. When gracie thinks about the future including expanding more acres? She doesn't see herself ever becoming a full-time fulltime farmer. She enjoys her full time. Day Job at the farm bureau in Bloomington and the health insurance it provides in fact that twenty seventeen survey found that young farmers feel a lack of affordable health insurance puts them at significant risk. Right now I am content. I'm learning how to farm also making sure that I have a solid income so I can career invest eventually in the farm if Gracie does take over the operation one day. She'll join a growing number of female. Farmers about forty-one percent of farmers in the first ten in years of farming are women and the total number of female principal operators increased by nearly seventy percent according to the last census some of that increase however maybe because the. USDA is getting better tracking the roles that women have long played on farms. Twenty seventeen cents is captured more demographic information from up to four producers perform perform. USDA also added questions about who makes different decisions on the farm. Finding that female producers are most heavily engaged in the day to day decisions along with record keeping and financial financial management. Greasy says. Her grandmother would often drive. Trucks filled with grain to the elevator. Burgeoned saw the same thing my grandparents in southern Illinois filled this census out numerous times but but my grandmother was as much a part of the farms my grandfather but under the old collection system those types of things wouldn't have been captured it's not all doom and gloom for young farmers they've got some advantages gracie is fluent in social media. Has our own. PODCAST called a farm kids guide to agriculture. Uses those to connect with other young professionals also comfortable with on-farm technology her dad and uncle us auto steer and have been collecting yield data from their machines since one thousand nine hundred nine but they haven't done anything with it so I'm really interested to dig. Get into that. This winter is to start seeing consistencies in the fields. See what see what's going on in her little twenty acres grace. He's also running for trials right now trying different cover crops and fungicides learning now so she can make better decisions later. Farmers have been doing for thousands of years. That's Ryan Denham of member station W. G. L. T. without reports the landscape of Illinois and the Midwest is dotted with small towns. Most struggling to survive live and a key is keeping and growing population. Here's a story from shrinking. Kansas community called me. Yoda Shea a wealthy businessman. There is hoping to save his hometown town. He's launched a program to pay college tuition for neo to Shea students. The idea takes its cue from bigger cities but it could face. Some unexpected roadblocks Sylvia Cillian. UPS Jepson with the Kansas. New Service brings us this report then. Cutler grew up in neo. Shay in the nineteen fifties when it had a thousand more residents events than today's twenty-three hundred. He left Kansas for career in finance and insurance but never forgot his hometown situated about halfway between Wichita Kansas and Joplin Missouri and his business success has led to this. That's nearly three hundred middle and high scores in their auditorium. Recently when they learned Cutler will pay their college tuition they have to earn a two point five. GPA and take other boxes but the NEO. Oh to show promise will cover the price of tuition and fees at the state's priciest public school. The University of Kansas Dacia Council is a senior. She wants wants to study dental hygiene. I'm still in shock right now. I've been really saving up for college. I know most my classmates have also saving up working real hard in. This is just aroma relief off of our shoulders. The program has two goals obviously changed lives right now. Two years after high school fewer than half of students here are working on a college edge degree. Second goal bring people to this rural town. Families need to enroll their kids in school here by the sixth grade to get the full deal. Colors offer for is good for the next twenty five years at least possibly decades beyond that it will likely cost tens of millions of dollars. But here's the problem. Bordering school districts cubbon losing enrollment as well to nearby districts have fewer than two hundred students left because most of southeast Kansas is shrinking neo. Shays plan might simply shift people around. Among dwindling towns. Matthew Sanderson is a sociologist at Kansas State University if you're thinking about regional economic development development at least at this stage looks more like a zero sum game to spur real growth neo. She has to attract more employers jobs and they'll community leaders say say promise programs elsewhere have benefited economically. They're usually in more populous places like Kalamazoo Michigan. That town has seventy five thousand thousand residents still hundreds of workers commute to this town every day from across the region for manufacturing jobs at plants like this one Kabul boats where team is building the whole of a luxury motor boat so this process just gets repeated layer by layer resident glass or apply company president. Shane Stanfield says now. Maybe more of his workers will move to town to take advantage of the free tuition and others would follow and with that Bill Gobi jobs and that will also help help us to get you know. Find the right people to work for us but aspiring residents may need to get in line Neo Shays other big challenge. Orange is a housing shortage. A common issue across rural America Thunder Ben Cutler says the town is ready for the hard work. I don't think any of us that are have been working on this scholarship. Caller ship program. Now I've been working on for a couple years think that this is going to be easy. This is going to require some heavy lifting on the part of the school on the part community on on the part of the businesses here. Meanwhile Matthew Sanderson says he's curious to see if we can pull something off beyond the usual zero-sum game name a town this small trying to reinvent itself with this incentive. I'm Celia Yuppies Jackson in Neo Shay Burn the quad. Cities has been chosen to host hundreds of competitors competitors from one of the fastest growing sports in the country. It's the twenty twenty one. US Masters Championships for the professional disc. Golf Association one of the organizers will be chased Robert sees the owner of a disc golf supply store in Moline obviously have a slowdown season when it gets too cold but one of the great things about it is that anybody can play it. And it's relatively cheap to get involved with Robert says. The association chose the quad cities because it successfully successfully hosted two previous national competitions in two thousand seven and again in twenty seventeen for the uninitiated he says disc. Golf is similar to golf off with something resembling a Frisbee. They're actually more a little bit more like a discus that you would using track and field than they are a traditional Frisbee but we still have some discs that resemble Campbell the Frisbee Forum those are potters their slower speed discs. There's mid range diff- or a little bit better for control and then there's drivers and distance drivers for high speed in long distance shots. The game is scored the same as golf but instead of holes competitors Putt into baskets the twenty twenty one masters championships will be for those. It was age forty and older and will be held in September of next year. Robert says the quad cities is a hotbed for disc golf with eleven courses in that area and a total of about up forty within easy driving distance. There's more of statewide on the way next up teaching kids about personal. Finance thousands of people contact invent invent help monthly about their invention or new product. Do you think companies would be interested in your idea. Do you want to try to get a patent call invent help now. Best of all the call and information information are free. INVENTHELP keeps your idea confidential explaining every step of the invention process we create professional materials and submit them to companies who are looking for new ideas in your category. 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Northwest suburban Kerry teacher Laura Jacobsen. Jason is talking to a room of sleepy juniors and seniors in her family and consumer science class. She's teaching them personal finance asked what can be an abstract concept to a bunch of teens but Jacobsen thinks these lessons are very important and that's why she gets personal. She has two adult children who she helped pay off college college loans. She brought in their actual financial statements. I put up their account statements and showed how much interest I paid and how long it took me to pay it. And they're like you all that much and I go yeah. I didn't have the money in savings. I had to take a couple loans out. The curriculum is part of a semester. Long course called finish. A program created by the University of Chicago and magnetized Capital Foundation. The curriculum focuses on personal finance with a heavy focus on college debt. Rebecca maxine is with the University of Chicago and overseas the program. She says Jacobsen Jacobson sharing her personal story has an impact on students understanding. She says some of the assignments require students to ask an adult about their finances. Research says you should do it and we know Oh from our experience here that having that home connection is great but it can be a little nerve wracking especially when people are taught not to talk about money. Students in Illinois are required to take consumer education to graduate but it's up to individual schools to include personal finance Maxi says many students still aren't getting this level of exposure. She says for most high high school kids student loans are their first encounter with debt. They don't know what they're getting into. They don't understand the consequences in the ramifications that twenty years from now they could still be the or more they could still be paying off debts by the third quarter of this year. Fourteen million borrowers in the thirty five to forty nine age. Group owed a collective five hundred sixty fifty four billion dollars in federal student loans. Though a much smaller group some people in their sixties are still paying off that debt. This is the second year. The Finnish curriculum column is used in classrooms. Max says it's too early to say how well it's working but she says. External evaluation shows students. Financial Literacy has improved college. Stop More Daniel Buea agrees with that. You took a similar course. When he was in high school it was extremely beneficial? Because I would've gone to college blind to like not really really knowing where I can do this. Consider towards my mom because my mom is one is paying for it. He says after taking the class he did some thinking and made some financially based decisions he got into into his number one choice for college other Nilo University but decided to attend the more Affordable University of Illinois at Chicago. He switched his major psychology to marketing career. He thinks will be more lucrative taking all loans is in Fundus interest into crews and. I just thought about like my mom. You know like how much like she would. I have to work because he was cheap. Back in Laura Jacobson's class she says even if students don't take out college loans. The lessons apply to other future decisions. Just like buying a home or paying off. Major Medical Expenses Jacobson says a few parents have thanked her for the course and said they wish they'd had something similar when they were teens. This adulting one or one should you have you know. You can't have your parents call on your behalf. Because one day she tells the class it will will be their responsibility susie on WBZ news having apparent behind bars can negatively impact a child for the rest of his or her life. I had a chance to speak. With reporter Marine mckinney. About her latest story on the impact of appearance incarceration on a child and what could be done to protect those bonds so marine. What led you to look at the issue of children of incarcerated? I was looking through some bills that were approved last year and to caught my eye about children of the incarcerated one was to create a task force to look at the issue of what it can be done to help and the other requires judges to take into consideration how defendants children children will be impacted by their sentence. You've written about this Just recently another Illinois issues piece you put together a give some background on that a bit of a recap happen on the earlier story last week focused and the harm that's done to children when their parents are incarcerated rated they are more likely to end up in prison themselves more likely to have health issues mental and physical and more likely to use drugs. People I talked to said that's why Mike Creating the task force was important that we need to look out for those kids whose parents are are already in prison or in jail awaiting sentencing marine. Can you describe some of the problems. The advocates you interview cited first of all like eighty percent of the women in prisoner parents and the locations aren't conducive for for people who live in Chicago of the women who are in prison forty percent are from Chicago and the prisons are located in Lincoln and Decatur which Earth hundred eighty miles approximately from Chicago. They also talked about visitation. How that can be extremely scary? An off-putting for children. When advocate talked about children been seeing their mothers and being very excited and then they run up against the glass? Can't touch their mothers. There's or reach out to them and they get very very frustrated and the mothers will be so upset about that. They won't want to have the children visit again again and visitations important because it helps keep up the bond between parents and child so can this issue be dealt with quickly Probably not it's a problem with the criminal justice system in its entirety the throughout the nation. So it's not unique talent away Illinois does have some unique situations like the the largest women's prison logan in Lincoln has real issues with its visiting visiting area for instance children who are coming to visit. Find it to be cold baron. There is a lot of toys. I guess thirty three percent of jails don't even have contact visits which the advocates are really supportive of. That's reporter Maureen mckinney. She wrote about how children are impacted by having a parent in jail or in prison and you can read her full story. We have a link at our website at statewide show dot com dish. TV is better than cable TV. 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They're the main contributors to the latest list of words and phrases banished from the Queen's English for misuse overuse news and General uselessness as tricks tells us more the twentieth nineteen banished list is the forty fifth to be issued by Lake Superior State University in Michigan in past years it was overseen by the Public Relations Office but this year became the responsibility of the English department. Mary McMahon is an associate professor of English in creative writing and a member of the banished. Word Committee. I think that the list serves a really interesting role. There are a lot of organizations nationwide that that nominate a word of the year. Like the Miriam Webster Dictionary does one The Association of Linguists does one but they just nominate one word of the year and it sort of like experts nominating that and this list as far as I know it's the only List where the American populous can can actually nominate word. So it's a way for people to be worried watchers themselves and then to keep an eye on the language and the winner she says hands down with the the most nominations is the phrase quid pro quo in Latin. It just means something for something and it actually comes The the first reported rated instance of the phrases actually all the way back in the sixteenth century so It started with apothecary when they would substitute one medication for another her. Sometimes they would intentionally substitute them. But another times they would fraudulently substitute one medication for another and as the years passed It started to be any substitution of one thing for another and then it started to have the negative connotation that we have with the word with the phrase eight now where it sort of means pay for play from the pretentious section of the list. Comes the word artisanal which appears a lot of menus these days trying to make your water salad dressing dressing sandwich. Sound more exciting and from the explosion of Foodie shows incites comes mouth feel. That was the one that surprised me to But but basically it's the word that is used to describe the texture of a food in your mouth but texture isn't good enough. You have to say mouths deal which is which is kind of gross because you know like wh where else are you gonNA put your food or are we gonNA talk about foot feel or hand it then. There's literally the word literally means it's a synonym for actually right. And the way that it has have been changing over the years is to act. Is it actually become its own anthem so instead of meaning actually people are using it for emphasis or or for For figurative so I could say I was so surprised my head literally exploded which would mean that my head actually exploded but people are using it for emphasis meaning that You know my head almost exploded or for figurative so it's very interesting where that it's become. The opposite. McMahon says an important source of words and phrases for the banishment list in recent years has been social media including friend is a verb Google Selfie. Dan ghosting the latest editions. Thanks to social media included chirp Jelly and tote one that was new to me was CHIRP And I talk talk to my students about this one They had said that it was an insult. for that millennial views to talk about somebody who is insulting hoping someone else. So it's a verb. SORTA like tweet is very where you say you know. I tweeted about district. And you're talking about what you're saying on twitter but CHIRP is sort of like talking talking about something but talking about it negatively So I get shirt for being out of touch basically for not knowing that word. Joey knows an abbreviation of the word jealous. While tote is another abbreviation for totally at if there's some use of a word or phrase that really bothers you some new and terrible pretension or let's face it something on social media that older people just don't understand like Superior State University accepts nominations all year round just go to L. S. view dot. Edu Slash vanished. I'm herb tricks. The city of Aurora appointed its first poet laureates. Yvonne Booze tells us more. Catholic Christianson is most comfortable surrounded by books like here. At the Royal Library West Brent. She's written around three thousand poems and has created several collections of her work. She shares these with close friends and family family she flips through one of her many manuscripts. Then she finds a poem to read. We went out to clean the riverbank. Big Black Saks. Heavy gloves. Sturdy boots to clear the bottles and cans and shoes and carts and tires and tanks and beds in cords and bikes and on and on and on. What are we thinking? Are we so rich. That nothing warrants. Our attention the night before before we saw the Dalai Lama smile. That poem is called trash and the Dalai Lama it was written April of two thousand eight. Poulet KRISTA since started writing. When she was fourteen fourteen years old? She started by journey which eventually turned into poetry. She says she was inspired by her English teacher. I brought things into show to my teacher and and he was very encouraging In fact I won a national teachers of English writing contests and now she's the first poet laureate of Aurora Fillet Christmas and says she wasn't going to apply for the position. I was encouraged by some friends to change my mind and so I did and when I saw the application I changed my mind completely. She says the application had meaningful questions and it showed that the staff of the mayor's office had done their research full let Christians than is a retired city worker worker but retirement didn't stop her work within the community in two thousand and thirteen. She Co founded a local poetry group. A town poetics. She credits credits this group. I think the work that town poetics has done in the community in terms of raising awareness about poetry in terms of hosting some curated readings. Meetings and events helped my name rise to the top. There were three other finalists. Those finalists are now deputy laureates. They include Anthony Staffer Vir- Quinton Johnson and from Meena Ponce. She says she plans to work closely with them. But I also hope along with the three other people that are going to be part of our little poetry policy that we can reach out to organizations in the community. She says her mission is to work with the city's young people. I'm hoping that we can encourage urge kids to write to not be afraid of writing to not be intimidated by the notion of poetry Poulet Christus and set poetry is her preferred platform because of his power you're in the poetry section of the Aurora Public Library West Branch. She admires the work of her role models. This looks like all the poor well. Many of the poet laureate so Billy Collins One of my favorites I love him because he writes about every day. Life Collins was the put laureate of the United States between two thousand and one and two thousand thousand three and while he was laureate He created a program called one hundred eighty days of poems. She says she wants incorporate something. Similar Aurora collect. Christopherson will hold the title of laureate through April Twenty twenty one. An official installation ceremony will take place in January at Gwendolyn Brooks Elementary Preschool. This ceremony will include the put laureate as well as the three deputy laureates. I'm Yvonne Booze. A longtime collector of rare sheet music has died. Lee Schreiner donated much of his collection to Northern Illinois University. where it found new life genitally has that story in two thousand fourteen leash Reiner Rockford? I started donating his collection to his Alma Mater Librarians at Northern Illinois University created an online database for the World War One sheet music which is now in the public domain. The main one of the pieces is called the Third Illinois Infantry March played here uh during an interview in twenty seventeen trainer says every piece in his collection has a story yeah. I think it's really interesting to look at small town Malinois. We all know a sheet. Music was published by someone in the small town had something they wanted to say trainer January second. After a long battle with Informa- he was the seventy. I'm Jennifer early to bed. Early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise and all was Benjamin in Franklin wise. So you actually think they can pass through metal. Frankly go flat excellent idea. What am I keys? Besides the bifocals been invented the Franklin Stove on from the foundation for a better life dot com. Cancer is the number one cause of death by disease for children in the US. Today since the Austin hatcher foundations birth in two thousand six it has grown to provide unique programs to help the children and the families affected by pediatric cancer. Support begins at the time of diagnosis and continues throughout survivorship at no cost to families James Lives touched by the foundation continued to rise each day. But we need your help donate volunteer or partner with the Austin Hatcher Foundation. Learn how you can get involved visit Tatra Foundation Dot Org for more information this statewide reports in conversations from in and around Illinois. I'm Shawn Crawford ahead this hour. A Young Central Illinois woman looks back at the year she became a farmer. One man is trying to save shrinking hometown in a teacher gets a chance heard dream. Thanks to a change in state law. Great job to me. I like to talk classified like to help and looking basic skills on with their lives and Kathy blowing themselves more valuable than that with student at. It's such a problem. We'll visit a classroom. Personal Finance is the subject. The undesired for some rare musical instruments and not many towns have poet Lore Yet we'll introduce you to rank here in Illinois that and more coming up on this week statewide Welcome to statewide. I'm Shawn Crawford this our. We'll learn more about the impact. Having appearance in jail or prison can happen. Children some ideas of how reprove situation there was a change in State Law Oughta signed to help with the teacher shortage. We'll talk with a woman who says that change opened the door for her to fulfill her dream and also coming up. How one man is strangled? Windows Steve is small town all ahead on statewide. Twenty nineteen was a memorable year for farmers not in a good way trade disputes into prices and drove up things. -iety a soggy planting season led to a late harvest. Stan justice farmers finally were able to get into the fields in the fall. It snowed for twenty seven year old Gracie wines'll twenty nineteen will be memorable for an entirely different reason. It's when she became a farmer. Ryan Dim. Has that story. This fall gracie became the proud owner of her very own. Twenty acres of farmland farmland near Stanford. That's about twenty minutes west of Bloomington. Normal Grace's family had rented and farmland for years. But now it's hers to me. It's the home farm. It's where where my great grandpa farms it's where migrant farm where my dad's farm. It's it's just right up next to the old farmstead buying it was no easy feat beats a little twentieth. Farmland doesn't come onto the market very often plus land is expensive about ten thousand dollars an acre around here. Twenty seven year olds like Gracie don't have a lot out of collateral to help. Beat alone is a great opportunity for me to get my foot in the door and decide you know. Is this something I wanna do. Gracie is an outlier a young female producer. Sir In an industry dominated at least on paper by older men primary producers over sixty five now outnumber farmers under thirty five by more than six to one. And it's a widening gap national young farmers coalition says should concern all Gracie has gone from Pharma. Jason Kidd College students in now landowner landowner. Her journey is one possible path for navigating the many barriers that prevent young people from farming is a kid gracie would go for the occasional tractor ride but she was never ever super engaged in farming. It wasn't until senior year of high school that she began to see as a career. She tried -education wasn't a good fit and landed in egg communications. She spent about five years working for some big companies and Saint Louis turned home to Central Illinois last fall to take a job at the Illinois Farm Bureau. While while I was in St Louis I realized just then I was disconnected from the farm. But I you know. I missed my combine rise. I I wanted to come out. I wanted to know what was going going on. Most crop land in the. US is rented not owned by. The farmers who work. In Grace's family was no different. A few years ago Gracie found out that one of her family's landlords might might be interested in selling part of one of the fields at can't buy all of that but I'd be interested in peace Gracie had just come up against the number one challenge facing young farmers inability to access farmland both first generation and multigenerational farmers sighted land access as their top challenge to cording to the two thousand seventeen national a young farmer survey Gracie found that lenders. Were not too eager to loner all that money. Especially since she didn't have any other assets to her name but she got help from the USDA's farm service the agency loan program for beginning farmers which offered slightly lower interest rates. It took about five months of paperwork questions way harder than buying a house which which Gracie also did this year essentially. We're in this partnership together where they are lending money and they. They want me to be successful. They would not have given me that money if they didn't think I could make a go of this. But in mid August greasy closed on the purchase. She had her twenty acres huge financial accomplishment for me but it also thinks in because they hinder the schedule of payments. It's like I have to make payments through twenty forty nine. That's cool the rest of my life. Whatever you can't do much farming without equipment and that's another barrier for beginning farmers new tractors and combines cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and again gracie got some help? She worked out a Labor trade agreement with her father and uncle paying to use their by putting in hours on their operation as has a starting farmer. If I didn't have family in the business I could not survive on twenty acres with the equipment I would need for a corn soybean farm which is what I know how to you. Do what works. Best for the land around here. Gracie is learning from her dad and uncle getting a handle on the equipment. She already knew plenty about crop and soil science in part because she studied it in college soon she'll be choosing her seed and chemicals and making countless other decisions. She can't yet anticipate. Many of them will be financial. I won't lie in that. I'm nervous in in knowing whether or not I am good enough as a business person to be able to sell my crop and make sure that I cover all of my costs the latest. USDA's census census shows the average age of primary farm producer in. This country has risen to fifty nine years old. The number of young farmers is not keeping pace with the number of farmers aging aging out of the field. That's according to the national young farmers coalition which argues it. Federal Farm Policy should do more to address barriers to entry. The latest accents is showed would more very big and very small farms. The number of mid sized farms between five hundred nine thousand acres actually dropped by about thirty percent. Maria burn is as an assistant professor of Agribusiness Illinois State University. She says those who inherit farmland often end up selling it to other farmers in the area who are looking to expand so as you have fewer farmers doing that work And more opportunities off the farm for the younger generation fewer people growing up on farms in general. I think it's really sort of a natural progression that that average farm operator would be getting a little bit older each time we do. One of these census reports another barrier is time crime itself young people who grew up on the farm and WANNA take over may have to wait for dad mom or even grandpa to retire farm income which is declined nationally since the peak in two thousand thirteen can only support so many people and I have a lot of individuals in my classes here to state that are looking at that exact situation. This dynamic plays out again and again 67-year-old Jon Olsen farms corn and beans in McLean. He left the family farm himself for about ten years before returning at age. Thirty is parents still L.. Did a lot of hand holding those first few years after he and his brother took over. Olson's dad technically. It retired at age. Sixty five to grow out of the combine for the last time at age eighty seven so twenty two years after he retired he actually retired. Also called the demographics have a room full of farmers a couple of years ago at professional development event. I've just blown blown away with a room full of three hundred people and I think the last time I did this. I was sixty two or three and I think I was throwing the age curve off to the low side being there. I think a lot of the guys that were there were older the myself burne-jones advice to young farmers is to network get to know more established farmers and landowners even asked to job shadow with one. You kind of treat it as almost a job interview you make it known that you want want to become a farm operator you want to rent farm ground or increase the number of acres you're renting you produce a Almost well not almost most farm mission statement you produce a document that says here's my mission as a farmer. Here's the equipment. I have available to me. Here's my experience. Here is how I will take care of your farmland. If you choose me to be a renter I caught up with gracie wiser on a recent Friday afternoon during harvest. She had a tractor cab full of leftover Halloween Candy. She waited for Uncle Dave to dump another load of corn so she could drive over the grain elevator in nearby Stanford Gracie says she's not ready to ask for a bigger share for families five hundred Acre operation until her dad or uncle Dave decides to retire entire step back. You know farming very multi generational thing and so right now honestly. There's not room for me on this farm. When gracie thinks about the future including cluding expanding to more acres? She doesn't see herself ever becoming a full-time farmer. She enjoys her full time. Day Job at the farm bureau in Bloomington and the health insurance it provides in fact that two thousand seventeen survey found that young farmers feel a lack of affordable health insurance puts them at significant risk. Right now I am content. I'm learning how to a farm. I'm also making sure that I have a solid income. So I can reinvest eventually in the farm if Gracie does take over the operation. One day. She'll join a growing number. Br female farmers about forty percent of farmers in the first ten years of farming are women and the total number of female principal operators increased by nearly seventy percent according to the last census some of that increase however maybe because the USDA's getting better at tracking the roles that women have long played on farms. The two thousand seventeen cents says captured more demographic information from up to four producers perform. USDA also added questions about who makes different decisions on the farm finding that female producers. It's our most heavily engaged in the day to day. Decisions along with record keeping and Financial Management Gray. She says her grandmother would often drive. Trucks filled with grainger. The elevator burned and saw the same thing. My grandparents in southern Illinois filled the census out numerous times but my grandmother was as much a part of the farmers my grandfather but under the old collection system those types of things wouldn't have been captured. It's not all doom and gloom for young farmers they've got some advantages gracie is fluent in social media. has her own. PODCAST called a farm kids guide to agriculture. Uses those those to connect with other young professionals just comfortable with on-farm technology. Her Dad uncle us auto steer and have been collecting yield data from their machines since nineteen ninety nine. But they haven't done anything with so I'm really interested to dig into that. This winter is to start seeing consistencies in the field. Be Anyway see what's going on in her little twenty acres grace. He's also running for trials right now. Trying a different cover. Crops Fund sides learning now so she can make better decisions nations later just like farmers have been doing thousands of years. That's Ryan Denham of member station W. G. L. T. without reports the landscape of Illinois. Why in the Midwest is dotted with small towns? Most struggling to survive and a key is keeping and growing population. Here's a story from a shrinking. Kansas community called the the Yoda Shea a wealthy businessman. There is hoping to save his hometown. He's launched a program to pay college tuition for Neo Shea students. The idea takes its cue from bigger cities but it could face. Some unexpected roadblocks Sylvia. UPS Jepson with the Kansas. New Service brings us this report then. Cutler grew up up in Neo Shay in the nineteen fifties when it had a thousand more residents than today's twenty three hundred. He left Kansas for career in finance and insurance but never I forgot his hometown. Situated about halfway between Wichita Kansas and Joplin Missouri and his business success has led to this the nearly three hundred middle and high schoolers in their auditorium recently when they learned Cutler will pay their college tuition they they have to earn a two point five. GPA tick other boxes but the neo shed promise will cover the price of tuition and fees at the state's priciest public school. The university versus Kansas Dacia Council is a senior. She wants to study dental hygiene. I'm I'm still in shock right now. I've been really saving up for College College. I know most of my classmates have also saving up working real hard and this is just a real relief off of our shoulders. The program has two goals obviously changed lives right now. Two years hours after highschool fewer than half of students here are working on a college degree. Second goal bring people to this rural town. Families need to enroll their kids in school. Cool here by the sixth grade to get the full deal. Colors offer is good for the next twenty five years at least possibly decades beyond that it will likely cost tens of millions millions of dollars. But here's the problem. Bordering school districts have been losing enrollment as well to nearby districts have fewer than two hundred students left because most most of southeast Kansas is shrinking Neo Shays plan might simply shift people around among dwindling towns. Matthew Sanderson is a sociologist at Kansas State. State University. If you're thinking about regional economic development at least at this stage it looks more like a zero sum game to spur. Real growth. niotis Shay has is to attract more employers and jobs and though community leaders say promise progress elsewhere have benefited economically. They're usually in more populous places like Kalamazoo Michigan. That town has seventy five thousand residents. Still hundreds of workers commute to this town every day from across the region agenda for manufacturing jobs plans like this one couple votes where a team is building the whole of a luxury motor boat so this process. It's just just repeated layer by layer resident glass or apply company president. Shane Stanfield says. Now maybe more of his workers will move to town to take advantage the free tuition and others would follow and with that Bill Dobie jobs and that will also help to help us get you know. Find the right people to work for us but aspiring spiring residents may need to get in line nearish as other big challenge is a housing shortage. A common issue across rural America Funder Ben Cutler says the town is ready. Ready for the hard work. I don't think any of us that are have been working on this scholarship program. I've been working on it for a couple of years. Think that This is going to be easy. This is going to require for some heavy lifting on the part of the school on the part of the community on on the part of the businesses here. Meanwhile Matthew Sanderson says. He's curious to see if neo neo to shake Kim pull something off beyond the usual zero-some game a town this small trying to reinvent itself with this incentive. I'm still yuppies Jackson Jackson in Neo Shay in the quad cities has been chosen to host hundreds of competitors from one of the fastest growing sports in the country. It's the twenty twenty one. US Masters Championships. Dan Ships for the professional disc Golf Association. One of the organizers will be Chase Roberts. He's the owner of a disc golf supply store in Moline. We obviously have a slowdown season when it gets too cold but you know one of the great things about it is that anybody can play it and it's really cheap to get involved with a game. Robert says the association shows the Quad cities because it successfully hosted two previous national competitions in two thousand seven and again in twenty seventeen gene for the uninitiated he says disc. Golf is similar to golf with something resembling a Frisbee more a little bit more like a discus that you would use in track and field then. They are a traditional Frisbee but we still have some discs that resemble the Frisbee those are potters their slower speed discs. There's mid range if a little bit better for control and then there's drivers distance drivers for high speed and long distance shot. The game has scored the same golf but instead of holes competitors Putt into into baskets the 2021 Masters Championships will be for those age forty and older and will be held in September of next year. Roberts says the quad cities is a hotbed Ed for disc golf with eleven courses in that area and a total of about forty within easy driving distance. There's more of statewide on the way next up teaching kids. It's about personal finance This statewide my Shawn Crawford on the way town in Illinois with its own poet laureates and when a parent goes to jail or prison it can have a devastating impact on. Children will hear more about that. Um Student debt reached its peak last year at about one point. Four billion dollars in federal loans. Many borrowers who are well beyond college are still paying them off. Suzanne introduces US TO A high school class. Teaching kids about personal finance in hopes SUV bringing down the debt. It's first period at cary Grove High School in northwest. Bourbon Kerry teacher. Lord Jacobsen is talking to a room of sleepy juniors and seniors in her family and consumer science class Vernon reliant. She's teaching them personal finance. which can be an abstract concept to a bunch of teens and but Jacobsen thinks these lessons are very important and that's why she gets personal? She has two adult children who she helped pay off college loans. She brought in their actual financial all statements. I put up their account statements and it showed how much interest I paid and how long it took me to pay it. And they're like you all that much and I go yeah. I didn't have the money in savings. I had to take a couple loans out. The curriculum is part of a semester. Long course called Fitch a program created by the University of Chicago and magnetized Capital Foundation. The curriculum focuses on personal title finance with a heavy focus on college debt. Rebecca Maxi is with the University of Chicago and overseas the program. She says Jacobsen sharing her personal story has an impact impact on students understanding. She says some of the assignments require students to ask an adult about their finances. Research says you should do it and we know from our experience here that having that home connection connection is great but it can be a little nerve wracking especially when people are taught not to talk about money. Students in Illinois are required to take consumer education to graduate but it's up to individual individuals schools to include personal finance Maxi says many students still aren't getting this level of exposure. She says most high school kids student loans are their first encounter honor with debt. They don't know what they're getting into. They don't understand the consequences and the ramifications that you know twenty years from now they could still be more they could still be paying off. DEBTS GETS by the third quarter of this year. Fourteen million borrowers in the thirty five to forty nine age. Group owed a collective five hundred sixty four billion dollars in federal student loans owns though a much smaller group. Some people in their sixties are still paying off that debt. This is the second year the Finnish curriculum is used in classrooms. Maxi says it's too through early to say how well it's working. But she says. External evaluation shows that students. Financial Literacy has improved college. Sophomore Daniel Buea agrees with that. You took a similar course. When he was in high school? It was extremely beneficial. Because I would've gone to college blind like not really knowing where I can do this. Consider which was my mom. 'cause my mom's ones paying for it. He says after taking the class he did some thinking and made some financially based decisions he got into his number one choice for College Northern Illinois a university but decided to attend the more Affordable University of Illinois at Chicago. He switched his major from psychology to marketing. A career he thinks will be more lucrative taken out. Loans isn't fun this interest in it a cruise. And you know I just thought about like my mom you know like how much like she would have to work because you was tonight. Cheap back in Laura Jacobson's class she says even if students don't take out college loans. The lessons apply to other future decisions. Like buying a home or paying off major medical expenses fences Jacobson says a few parents thanked her for the course and said they wish they had something similar when they were teens. This adulting one on one. Should you have your. I'm poppy no you can't have your parents hall on your behalf. Because one day she tells the class it will be their responsibility susie on WBZ news having apparent behind bars can negatively impact a child for the rest of his or her life. I had a chance to speak. With reporter Maureen mckinney about about her latest story on the impact of appearance incarceration on a child and what could be done to protect those bonds so marine. What led you to look at the issue of children of the incarcerated? I was looking through some bills that were approved last year and to caught my eye about children of the incarcerated rated one was to create a task force to look at the issue of what can be done to help and the other requires judges to take into consideration how defendants children will be impacted by their sentence. You've written about this Just recently and other Illinois issues piece that you put together a Gibson background on that a bit of a recap on on the earlier story less week focused and the harm that done to children when their parents are incarcerated They are more likely to end up in prison themselves. More likely to have health issues mental and physical and and more likely to use drugs. People I talked to said that's why creating the task force was important. Certain that we need to look out for those kids whose parents are already in prison or in in jail awaiting sentencing marine. Can you describe some of the problems. The advocate you interview cited first of all like eighty eighty percent of the women in prisoner parents and the locations aren't conducive for people who live in Chicago of the women who are in prison forty percent are from Chicago and the prisons are located in Lincoln and Decatur which Earth Hundred Canady miles approximately from Chicago. They also talked about visitation. How that can be extremely scary and off putting for children when advocate talked about children seeing their mothers and being very very excited and then they run up against the glass. Can't touch their mothers or reach out to them and they get very very frustrated and the mothers will be so upset about that. They won't want to have the children visit again and visitations important because is it helps keep up the bond between parents and child. So can this issue be dealt with quickly Probably not it's A problem with the criminal justice system in it's entirety throughout the nation. So it's it's not unique to our Norway Illinois does have some unique situations like the largest women's prison logan in Lincoln has real issues with its visiting area for instance children learn who are coming to visit find it to be cold barren. There aren't a lot of toys. I guess thirty three percent percent of jails don't even have contact visits which the advocates are really supportive of. That's reporter Marine Gene mckinney. She wrote about how children are impacted by having apparent in jail or in prison and you can read her full story. We have a link at our website at statewide show dot com uh-huh in politics television and social media where once again rich sources for abuse of the English language during the past year there are the main contributors to the latest list of words and phrases banished from the Queen's English for misuse overuse and general uselessness. SPESSART tricks tells us more. The two thousand nineteen banished list is the forty fifth to be issued by Lake Superior State University in Michigan. In past years it was overseen overseen by the Public Relations Office but this year became the responsibility of the English department. Mary McMahon is an associate professor of English and creative writing and a member L. D. banished word committee. I think that the list serves a really interesting role. There are a lot of organizations nationwide that that Nominate a word of of the year. Like the Merriam Webster. Dictionary does one. The Association of Linguists does one but they just nominate one word of the year and it sort of like experts nominating that and this list as far as I know is the only List where the American populous can actually nominate where it so so. It's a way for people to be word watchers themselves and then sort of keep an eye on the language and the winner. She says hands down with the most. Nominations is the phrase phrase pro quo and Latin. It just means something for something and it actually comes The the first reported instance of the phrases. Actually we all the way back in the sixteenth century so It started with apothecary when they would substitute one medication for another sometimes they would intentionally smelly substitute them. But another time they would fraudulently substitute one medication for another and as the years passed It started to be any Substitution of one thing for another and then it started to have the negative connotation that we have with the word with the phrase now where it sort of means pay for cray from the pretentious section of the list comes the word artisanal which appears on a lot of menus. These days trying to make your water salad dressing or sandwich. Sound more exciting and from the explosion of Foodie shows incites comes mouth feel. That was the one that surprised me to But but basically it's the word that is used to describe the texture of food in your mouth but texture isn't good enough you have to say mouth steel which is which is kind of gross. Because you know what where else are you gonNA put your food. Are we gonNA talk about foot. Feel or hands. Then there's literally the word literally means the synonym for actually right and the way that it has been changing over. The a year is the APP. Is it actually become its own anthem. So instead of meaning actually people are using it for emphasis or for Figurative so I could say I was so surprised my head literally exploded which would mean that my head actually exploded but people are using thing it for emphasis meaning that You know my head almost exploded for figurative. So it's a very interesting where that it's become too mean it's opposite. mcminn says an important source of words and phrases for the banishment. List in recent years has been social media including friend as verb Google Selfie and ghosting the latest additions editions thanks to social media included chirp Jelly and tote one that was new to me was Chirp And I talked to my students about this. Just one They they had said that it was an insult For that millennial views to talk about somebody who is insulting someone else. So it's a verb. SORTA like tweet is a very where you say you know. I tweeted about district that and you're talking about what you're saying on twitter but CHIRP is sort of like talking about something but talking about it negatively So I get CHIRP for being out of touch basically for not knowing that words. Joey knows an abbreviation of the word jealous. While tote is another other abbreviation for totally at if there's some use of a word or phrase it really bothers you some new and terrible pretension or let's face it something on social media the other US older people just don't understand like Superior State University accepts nominations all year round just to L. S. U. DOT EDU slash lash vanished. I'm herb tricks. The city of Aurora appointed its first poet. Laureates Yvonne Booze tells us more Karen who let Christianson is most comfortable surrounded by books like here. At the Royal Library West Brent. She's written around three thousand poems and has created several collections of her work. She shares these with close friends and family she flips through one of of her many manuscripts. Then she finds a poem to read. We went out to clean the riverbank. Big black sacks heavy gloves CBS sturdy boots to clear the bottles and cans and shoes and carts and tires and tanks and beds and cords and bikes and on and on and on. What are we thinking? Are we so rich. That nothing warrants. Our attention the night before we saw the Dalai Lama smile smile. That poem is called trash. The Dalai Lama it was written April of two thousand and eight. Who let Kristen started writing? When she was fourteen years old? She started by journal which eventually turned into poetry. She says she was inspired by her English teacher. I brought things into show to my teacher and he was very encouraging In fact I won a national teachers of English writing contests and now she's the first laureate of Aurora fillet. Chris and says she wasn't going to apply for the position. I was encouraged by some friends to change my mind and so I did and when I saw the application I changed my mind completely. She Says S. The application had meaningful questions. And it showed that the staff of the mayor's office had done their research poulet Christians than is a retired city worker but retirement. It didn't stop her work within the community in two thousand and thirteen. She Co found to a local poetry group. A town poetics she credits this group. I think think the work that eight town poetics has done in the community in terms of raising awareness about poetry in terms of hosting some curated readings and events helped hoped my name rise to the top. There were three other finalists. Those finalists are now deputy poet laureates they include Anthony Staffer Quinton Johnson and for mean opponents. Say she says she planned to work closely with them. But I also hope along with the three other people that are going to be part of our little poetry Passi that that we can reach out to organizations in the community. She says her mission is to work with the city's young people. I'm hoping that we can encourage kids to write to to not be afraid of writing to not be intimidated by the notion of poetry poulet. Christianson poetry is her preferred platform because of his power and the poetry section of the Aurora Public Library West Branch. She admires the work of her role models. This looks like all the port. Laura will many of the poet laureate so billy Collins one of my my favorites. I love him because he writes about every day. Life Collins was the poet laureate of the United States between two thousand and one and two thousand and three and while he he was poet laureate He created a program called one hundred and eighty days of poems. She says she wants to incorporate something. Similar in Aurora Select Christopherson will hold all the title of Port Laureate through April twenty twenty one and official installation ceremony will take place in January Gwendolyn Brooks Elementary School. This ceremony it will include the poet laureate as well as a three deputy poet laureates. I'm Yvonne both a longtime collector of rare sheet. Music has died Lee Schreiner donated. I needed much of his collection to Northern Illinois University. where it found new life Jinadu has that story in two thousand fourteen leash? Reiner of Rockford started donating his collection to his Alma Mater Librarians at Northern Illinois University created an online database for the world. War One sheet music which is now in the public domain. One of the pieces. This is called the Third Illinois. Infantry March played here during an interview in twenty seventeen trainer says every piece in his collection has a story. I think it's really interesting to look at small town. Mill Annoy sheet music basic was published by someone. Small town had something they wanted to say. Schreiner I'd January second. After a long battle with Informa- He was seventy I'm genital You're listening to statewide. Stay with US next the hunt for some rare musical instruments across across the country and right here in Illinois. We're back on statewide. I'm Shawn in Crawford on the way a woman who had been hoping to become a teacher. Get some help from the when we legislate they wanna hear a piece of history. That's a more than century. Old Pipe organ purchased with help from the Carnegie Foundation. The Andrew Carnegie is remembered for his philanthropy the industrialised wound up giving away an estimated ninety percent of his fortune causes like libraries stories and education but less known was how he helped many churches and community centers obtained pipe organs. The foundation called the Oregon matching gifts benefactions factions more than eight thousand manufactured and distributed around the world including two hundred seven here in Illinois. But that was a long time ago and tracking down those Oregon's if they still exist requires some detective work Paula. Romano Concert organist teacher and early music scholar. She join me to talk about the effort vert. This was benefactions that was not widely known and this came after the times when he gave the money any for the libraries and libraries when really all over the world but the organs did too but they were not not as many as we. Have you know throughout the United States in Illinois though Illinois was the third largest number of organs that the foundation helped to provide the money for and there are two hundred and seven and our state but of course not all of those are still operating. I've unfortunately found some stories of where the the organs were just dismantled because the church had no longer been viable or they couldn't raise money to keep it tuned things like that Occasionally you find that they might end up in somebody's basement or taking A ceiling out of uh room and putting an organ. They're backed sometimes they were given away they were given to other churches to us One such such place was An organ that was in house already and the people didn't know what to do with this house but they gave it to a University of Michigan and all of a sudden it became one of the practice. Rooms are one of the small recital halls there is in Virginia Illinois in the town of seventeen hundred. There is one. It's a Hook and hastings organ and what's so unique about it. The only thing that has been Don John and this one hundred and thirty years has been that they just put an electric blower on it and that when when my father was a little boy he is to pump out. That was his way to give his service to the church and so he would hand pump it a little whim machine. And you had hi to keep it pumping you're keep the air in it. But he had to also to it when they organise was going to practice. I think he was looking forward to getting a little bit older. So huge. It up have to do that but I been able to identify almost ninety of the two thousand seven Oregon's which all came from one. Builder called call took and hastings which is out of Vermont and then there is another company which is out of the peak and Peoria area and entertainers. They were quite a prolific in their instruments that they put in around our area and it was not a name of an organ builder at that. I knew that well but another forgotten thank for Illinois. Do you know why Carnegie was so interested in giving organs. Yes we the library thing makes some sense but maybe the organs was there some personal connection there he sort of had an Anna Baptist. He was he was a Swedenborg Borg but enlighten thought not much doctrine but he gave a church to the Church family at attended and before he new There was a Catholic Church that heard about what he had done for his home. Church and on it went we know how many the the two hundred plus in it that were given an Illinois or are still in use though. Do we have a pretty good number on that. Well that's where I'm a sleuth right now then sleuthing for a couple years and we have Ninety seven Hook and hastings and I've been able to find out what churches they are part of it. Not all these instruments went into a wealthy churches so wealthy churches could afford art. Change everything around and say I want to get a blank and Blank Electric Oregon and so They might have been taken out these instruments. I think that have stood the test of time I would imagine through the decades fewer and fewer people know how to play these instruments not true Because it's been the other way around you think that it is diminishing to be an organised is you have to be an entrepreneur yourself And you you have to spend a lot of years going to school and it really. What we do us organise? It isn't matched what we what we have. Is that matched with our What you're given as Money but I don't think any of us can really do anything else but I like this instrument at The the Christian Church in Virginia Illinois. I have played there. I practiced there when I was a young girl and they were really sweet. They'd let me get a key and my father used to sit with me and and be there so I wasn't alone in the church but That's happened all over in the Little Town of Virginia Illinois they've they've had about twelve organised from say nineteen twenty through. Now that have come out of this. The little town of seventeen hundred. I think with the interest in historic instruments. We're seeing that churches are going to should be able to perhaps get their instrument restored it's Sorta hand-in-hand Lot of organised didn't stay. Hey with playing the instrument giving up their Sundays for something. There weren't going to get a lot of money for or they or the Church didn't take care Keira. Their instruments was falling down But we're finding that changing over the last. Maybe fifteen years there have been been colleges that have ramped up there Teaching of instruments where finding new organs going all over the place place so It is an exciting time but one of the things that I'm hoping that we can do out of this project is to to find organ builders that are really interested in these early organs of the nineteen hundreds. It's and being able to hopefully get through Carnegie to see if they can help with the fund that we can also make another grant request to help these people in the churches. That don't know where to go. Some comes it's way beyond tuning that we can had them sing again. Holler Romano talking with us about pipe. Borgen's Andrew Carnegie helped make possible for many churches and local centers. She says there were more than two hundred in Illinois. She's working to find out. How many still exist you? You can learn more at a website at state by show dot com yeah in an attempt to alleviate Illinois severe teacher shortage state lawmakers last year removed require but known as the basic skills test that tested proven to be a stumbling block especially for people pursuing the profession later in life as a second career the change change enacted just five months ago. His already opened the door for Kelly. McConnell hey she spent the past eleven years working as a paraprofessional or teacher's aide assisting students students with special needs in an east moline middle school when our education reporter Dusty Rhodes I interviewed her. Last spring mcconaughey became emotional. Talking about her three. Are you tempts to pass the math portion of the test all to no avail. She sounded happier this week in a phone interview with dusty said. This is your first day of student teaching yes in how did it go. I love this job. I've never loved a job before I can honestly say and like this is a truly just so so my thing I love it so you were a pair pro and then you who were the longterm sub for one semester. Yes so it was a pair of pro in that room for eleven loving years and I wasn't in the same exact room but I was in the same program. It's the success program other schools would call that like Emotional behavior but we've changed the name to the success program because it's more positive in these. Are the kids that okay number one their middle school kids right. So you're dealing with the ones emotional disability. Yeah I mean a lot of people people say. What are you do middle school? Oh and then they'll say well. What subject do you teach? And when I tell them they just just think oh Jeez. That's so hard you know. Well you know they think I'm so like a saint and I'm like Oh yeah that's me I'm saying but unsightly. It's a great job to me. I like the small classes I like to help them with these basic core skills so they can move on with their lives and be successful and feel good about themselves. What what is more valuable than that? This new law is what made this possible for you correct correct so I I remember telling you with this law was coming down the pike that I was hearing that this was going to happen. I was hearing that that you know they follow this legislation. And and do you well. Why don't you articulate what your reaction wisdom my telling you that well? It was hard for me to trust or have hope because even now it's still so traumatic. What was going on because I've been testing this process of me? Getting my license spent two years of struggling and trying and You know testing and just just to whole entire years. That's longtime to Try to get a license you know and and so I wanNA say is that to test deciding. Everything is so it's too much it's it's like it's what what is even the word for it to have one test decide your entire situation. It's too much pressure. and and why can't they just take my work. The essays that I've written and things that came directly from my head and directly from my own creative instincts instead of. Can I take all all these boxes on these tests and it keeps going honestly because now I'm you know have to pass a GPA. which at least it's more of a uh-huh holistic assignment actually using my skills so I would say that's at least relevant so the eleven years that you worked as a parapro that counted for nothing? Right right I mean you have to be supervised by someone now right like when you were sub Iran. The classroom yourself right right. I had to do observations Sixty hours of observations. I've observed thousands of hours but I'm trying not to complain. I'm really grateful. Yes when you told me they were trying to put this legislation in place to allow me to move forward without one sixty question test. Decide everything when I've proven through my college. My University that I know how to use strategies like I know how to teach and I've learned a lot about how to teach and I've learned a lot from my experience you isn't it. Seemed like he didn't want to get your hopes up. I didn't I mean I still don't honestly I still don't even know him in the final stages and I just just have these projects to do and I could actually get my license. I'm still so what choice say traumatized I mean. It was so extreme. What I went through with the testing? I can't get excited. That was Kelly McConnell. Hey speaking with their education reporter dusty dusty Rhodes in order to focus on preparing for her upcoming ED TEPA test. mcconnahey is given a proper time job. Ironically she was a math tutor. And that will wrap up this week. Statewide thanks for tuning in and join us again. Next time for more reports and conversations from in and around Illinois. If you missed any of this week's program you can find it and all the others that statewide show dot com podcast available through the NPR APP. Yeah Shawn Crawford. Statewide is a production of NPR Illinois with hope from other Illinois public radio stations. Aw Indeed knows finding the right hire takes time away from Your Business. Hiring unqualified data engineer. Felt like a second job. More job seekers use indeed than any other sites so there's no no better place to find someone with the skills you're looking for. I needed someone with a masters in computer. Science and database experience plus indeed screener questions. Help you find your shortlist fast. Now I'm back to having just one job see one more than three million companies worldwide. 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From my last appearance and my and my appearance on the Chris Jericho rockin wrestling raiders. See they immediately all said the same thing was he scared of you. Have you said on this podcast. That he has he's he's very no. I don't know if you met big show before now. Oh so you can tell them the story but yeah super friendly best disposition guy. He can get grumpy at times but he will tell you with a smile like I'm pretty scared out of little people. Were they used to review Vincent San like breath they brought little people in with Cindy after show and there's actually a famous Infamous bit bit that we did on a Christmas show where me being show got attacked by a gang of dwarfs dressed as Christmas album and then proceeded to just kick the shit out of all of them and shows just throwing these dudes around and one guy got dropped off the top rope like Christmas Turk. Caesar I'm Scott these guys so I think he's kind of turned around now. What the elephant in the mouse right? Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean He. Didn't I got no inclination to that whatsoever. When when I met him he he didn't mention he told me that he follows me on twitter and then it was very funny? So that he will he. Gotcha yeah he knew He. He knows who I am. He actually said that he didn't like he recognized me first but he didn't want to say anything because he's like because if you weren't Brad Williams I'd have been real mad all you guys like same really the sad and like Oh my God. I did the same thing you know and but I told him that He and I actually have something in common besides you he you know just like and you think what do you have in common with the big show with his size ear size and the and the thing is is like we can't hide big show can't put on a a hat and a scarf and be like no. I'm not the big show. Yeah you know what I mean and museum thing. I've put on like I fly. I don't look like my show self at all I fly with a beanie shorts. Whatever like I'm the most comfortable person ever and no one ever no known ever walks up and goes like you're not like the the only thing they may say is that they think I'm Horn swaddled? Or they think I'm glad we man from Jackass. But they all they always known on somebody because they rack their brains. Imagine wrestlers are like that. A lot of you guys are huge. You look to you. I went to the stones last night. Eight and one person was convinced I was Shawn Michaels Triple H. I was convinced I was dog. The bounty hunter. Wow that must have hurt. Because that guy's a few years she's twenty experts all concurrent with the fact that I have long hair now because before it was uh Patrick swayze. Yeah Bon Jovi and Gordon Ramsay also hurt. Yeah that one hurt to have your dog the bounty hunter. I'm not sure yeah. Yeah and and that's the thing is people say when people say that. I'm beard English. It's like all right but he's like twenty years older than me but We a we man's about ten years older than me about twenty pounds heavier than me. That's right shots. Fired headline take that out and and then horns waddell. I've never met him. We text and he's a friend but I've I've never met him but now he's got like that. Aj styles hair are now like he's got like the glamorous locks. I'm jealous that he's always had some weird hair though he was show with goofy hair. Here shots fired shots. That's right you know what. Let's let's just say it right now on Chris Jericho's rock and wrestling Rogers C.. Part do there's GonNa be a triple threat cage match it's GonNa be me. We men and and horns wall swaddled is there is a kindred spirit ships if you do meet other little people like you. kind of across the AGO was Yeah yeah there. There's a nod. They're they're like okay. Okay we get it and it's very it's very easy to spot another dwarf because we're the only ones that making eye contact with each other like that was the joke with with with the big show where I met his bottom half. I was trying to make eye contact with them but my neck is just not that strong. It's just hard to do. Yeah and I imagine. And it's tough for him To where he just has to be looking down at people the whole time none understand but show show is so like he got like. I said he can't hide and he took photos with everyone. He walked up to him and wanted to take photo. He was the nicest guy when you say. The words gentle giant. That didn't that that is definitely him. I'm just always shocked that people walk up to guys like you show or Honnor. Whoever that look look like you're intimidating guys like I? If you got mad there would be there would be an incident. You know what I mean and and probably wouldn't work out in favor of the person asking the autograph like like I get it when people walk up to me there just like what the hell is GonNa do. You know he's GonNa Bite my knee anything but like you guys I. I'd be scared to make you mad. I'm I'm always amazed at the balls when I used to go. Hang out at the gym to look at. WBF wrestlers and back in those is a eight or whatever they were massive massive Vasa and the only guys that ever talked to the little guys. Like Coco. Beware and Shawn Michaels. Israel's I tried to talk to dynamite kid so he told me cough yeah But yeah those are the guys I felt like. I I. Yeah and with that when when when you were doing that time at least that's before social media and everyone had a camera now you kind of always have to be on at least a decent behavior. Everyone's got a camera. Everyone's got something and they can edit the video so like we won't we won't hear the part where they yell something about your wife Right. They'll just see you turn in smack him in the face like that's all they got like So now like now. I can understand. 'cause you're like okay. You have the camera and I could kind of blackmail you but yeah back when you were looking at dynamite. Kid there was I if you con- Kinda smack. Yeah there's there's there's nothing there's no proof house a few. I was noticing in this little bit at your show that was that your show Columbus. Yeah thank you well just say by the way. Thank you for telling me because most of the time it'll be like dude I was in Columbus to. Why didn't you tell me but you actually had the foresight to say? Are you gonNa be there and it worked out today is able to come to your gig. Yeah it was I I was hanging out with my buddy. The Zach Myers who's from the band shinedown. Shout shine down and he told me he was playing at festival there and I said Oh who who you excited to see any ran down the line of the instead. Yeah and Ghazi Fauzi it sick. I was like wait Fauzi. Oh Kristen's out so mealy texture view and and You had you had your set. You had some stuff that you had to shoot afterward and then. I don't know how far that drive was but the fact that you made the drive and saw me and it's all the show and ride on time. That's that meant the world to me. Thank you thank you for inviting me and the show but I was GonNa ask you notice. People are filming a lot during your show. How does that because you know what happened? I was at the stones was the unless they end people myself included just for snippets. You're watching this great show through the camera. which makes everybody smaller? Yeah does that bother you. Does it affect your Gig. Yeah especially with comedy. Because you you get like if you if you record the stones doing jumping Jack Flash. They're GONNA do jumping Jack Flash every city. There's not gonna be that one city where Where Mick Jagger goes on to say the end would like not gonna be like that? No one's GONNA catch it. Catch one of those moments in the songs the song when you're doing comedy bids that's a different thing. 'cause you're you're trying Brian stuff and I don't always know what's going to be funny I was doing a bit Last week I I won't say what the bit was but it failed miserably miserably and I knew like well. That's I can't do that and the bit was slightly offensive and When I kinda analyze it I go well? That didn't work but thank God. People weren't videotaping that bit. It wasn't ready right it was. It wasn't funny it wasn't and if you just isolate that audio of what I was talking about. How how that would not come out in a good light? So I've stopped shows before 'cause when I see someone hold up their phone at a show in my head I go all right. You have a seven seven second clock and if I don't see the phone go down. That means they're videotaping So I go okay then I'll stop show and I'll say hey. Do you know but put the phone down. I'm taking like I do meet and greet afterward you saw that I take photos with. Everyone wants to take a photo I meet. Everyone wants to meet me. So we'll do then now now is the show. Sit Down enjoy yourself. How coming across like an asshole though right well because you do it once and that's it that's it you do cut a roast? The guy a bit the message. Yeah Yeah Yeah One Line I said one time this was right after. This was right after the Louis C. K. story broke and I saw this right for someone. Recorded him doing a sad and he didn't know he was being recorded and he said something about the Parkland shooting and someone got that and then released. The audio did not did not go well. Yeah Yeah A. He's done enough but at the same time so that it just happened and I and I and I saw someone trying new bit and I saw someone with the phone holding it up and I told them you know put it away and they just didn't they're like no. I'm just GONNA keep recording I. I bought a ticket and I say I'm not GonNa let you Louis C. K. me if you Louis C. K. me I'll Louis Louis C. K.. You implying the masturbating right in front of so. I said that that's a fair. And then they put away the phone it mostly the fans there. WH- what we as performers after remember sometimes is that allow. The fans aren't ingrained in this swirled like they don't know the rules. They don't know everything we do it every day you wrestling music me with comedy So we know the rules. We know how a show is supposed to be run and a lot of people don't know they don't know as the same way. I went to a football game last year and I. I didn't know that they have new bag roles. Also so my wife couldn't have her bag. She needed like clear. She'd like Romantic car. Drops like and do all this thing but like we know the rules so we. We don't know those those rules. A lot of people don't know the comedy rule so times it's just you inform people. They go oh okay. Let's talk about some of those other rules comedy but I want to say thanks to boost mobile for making talk okkas Jericho possible switching to boost. Mobile gives you more so boost surprising people with more at every turn because boost doesn't offer one great thing and offers many great things things like they're super reliable super fast network but wait. There's more you also get four free Samsung Galaxy phones for the whole family when you switch to boost boy away. There's even more than that. You'll get four lines for twenty five bucks per line per month with unlimited gigs for data talk tax than. Hey with my kids. I know how important it is is to have unlimited data. We've got five people in my family. Who are on their phones? 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There is no thing where you turn back conversation that that that gets annoying The check drop is the most notorious thing in comedy that Comedians hate. We hate the check drop. That's that's when that's when the show is about ten fifteen minutes away from ending and The comedy club has to cash everybody out so they put the Czechs down for all your drinks and food and then 'cause then people are no longer paying texting it must be distracted. Some clubs are great. There's this club called the stress factory in New Brunswick New Jersey and they don't do the backdrop until the end of the show they wait. Yeah COUPLA clubs do that but Yeah when that happens because then you have conversations people turning like what two drinks twenty five blocks one God. The manager got that whole thing so I literally have a pardon my act. That's more story driven and long form and not Bumba BUBBA BUBBA BUBBA and not rapid fire for the check drops so you tan tune out for a second interesting back in. I've literally put it in there and things like that. Ed like people don't realize comedians are doing. I'm sure there's a million things in wrestling or go like Oh shit fight in the crowd and no one's watching the Matt. Oh ooh born rules just put somebody in a hold. Oh yes they're not watching US anyways the you'll always see it like it's like Nassau Coliseum or something's fights in the crowd they're all all the time on TV. You're supposed to look in this. Everyone's looking over there. Yeah I was wondering about that 'cause I just watched a w fight for the fallen and there it was. I forget what match. There's something where the crowd was booing and then shearing but not for like the time when someone made sense yeah it didn't make sense at all and I think even even the announcer Said something like they're not reacting to this going on the crowd and I'm sitting there going. Well what's happening in the crowd. Shoot it yeah. Yeah yes and then so obviously the wrestlers then become aware of that. All right headlock decor wrestling headlock. Exactly yeah exactly lock yet. Do you guys when you hear the crowd do something like that. Your conscious of it. You're only wears was supposed to be on like when you're on stage and you know everything that's going on. Yeah obviously we were in the round but still I can tell what's going on. I can tell people are paying any attention if they're looking over here looking over there waiting for something else to go on. Yeah so you have to just learn how to read. Your crowd is what you get with experience and that goes for comedy. It's crowd crowd analysis. If people knew what I was thinking about during my set it would boggle their minds. Because I'm thinking I'm not just thinking about what I'm saying I'm thinking thinking about okay like all right win. Wins the check drop. Is that person. Videotaping me That person seems like they've had their arms folded the whole time. Let me let me try something else to get them. Mike cursing too much do they. Did they say something I'm in about five minutes. I'm going to tell a joke to call it. A black guy wears a black guy. You're orchestrating the whole thing. Yes which I'm sure Whether it be rock show wrestling show. You're probably doing something similar. Let me ask you typically look a rock and roll the arm trust when you're especially as an opening band you get a lot of arms tross so for us different ways to be saying to their face surge eye contact always makes people very nervous to my they. They would open up the APP. What what are your tricks? Does a comedian and trying to do that. I contact same thing like a because there's this illusion that a lot of audience members have that the performer former cannot see them i. It's this weird thing where it's like. Well I'm an audience. It's like a movie theater and we can see you. We know we can see your reaction we see when you cross your arms. We we see you when you're turning in even if you're if we can't hear that you're talking to a friend we see that you're doing it so yeah there are and So one thing that I've done one trick and I passed the song to a couple of the COMEDIANS. Sometimes you'll have people talking like like I said like. Oh that's so true. Remember the time when like they'll have a conversation station during your set and they're not realizing that they're being too loud and they're they're drunk or whatever what I'll do is I'll get quieter and I'll start talking very slowly holy and very quiet and not yelling because if I yell over them. The audience then raises their voice to be heard themselves but if we start getting quiet quiet and they're like oh and then they become self aware and they're like Oh shit like I can hear me very clearly like no one wants to be that guy at the club where like right before for the music like the music drops out and that's when you're the one screaming so I got oil for it fears that everyone. It doesn't want to be that person. So yeah it's the whole Jericho character in two thousand eight nine with a suit and tie guy that I use that element completely. I was watching no country for old men with the Anton Gear. Yeah have your em and spoke very quietly lately and so when I started doing that I found that made. This was in the height of the what right talking quieter. I'm forcing people all to have to shut up and listen to me. And then when they showed up and listen that's when they get into it and then then you hook them yeah right think about like Think similar things happened when you're watching a when you're watching. TV show when when they're having conversation win. Game of thrones was did a couple episodes where like really dark and it was hard to see. I paid more for attention because I was looking for all the little details. And then that's when I because sometimes I'd I'd watch the show with all the lights on in the house and stuff going on phones out but like now when it's a dark episode and I can't see all lights are off. I'm watching it night. Phones done moans like now paying attention so there are little tricks like that the you can do that will make An audience pay an is pay attention whether it be comedy wrestling or Israel or whatever I I have to compliment you because I've been watching A. W. O.. I'M A fan. Yes you have got me hooked. It seems like that age W is for the marks and wwe is like it. You Know I. It's like the difference between your kiss. FM Pop music where they're trying to like appeal to everyone. Everyone they they want. They want People driving their minivan to school not to be offended. And then you have then you flip channels too like the death metal station. We're like we have our fans it is. You said it's an alternative to what's now become the norm. Yeah and it's it's nothing wrong with having people give people a chance to have options absolute turn. How has this great will like you? That are super interesting. Creating a huge buzz to where we're selling hang out these buildings in five minutes. That was against. They like that for the next year. I don't know but at least you're giving people a different and you said something and I and the see this this love because when it goes whenever we talk you asked me about comedy and I and I and I got you do you wrestling Houston something in a press conference inference. Where your Promo at five of the fall and was the first time you've walked out there with like no script no I? I'm in twenty years because I worked for. WBZ Okay so anytime you do not know how shows live events. Non Televised Charts different thing. Yeah just grab the MIC and start talking but on TV. It's always very orchestrated did in. WWe So this was the first time I didn't have to do that. And deemed to the point. Where I'm not even gonNA come up with an outline? I'm just GonNa have to things that I want to say and the rest of this is going through. Just make it up as they go along and see if I can do it. Live without a net. Yeah I mean have you ever done any Improv. 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Go check it out now. It'd have you ever done any Improv. At all yeah. It's so much fun. There's times when win. That's like there's there's even a part of my show I think I think I may have done it at the show that you saw where I go to. I go to the audience. It's before I tell the joke about how my wife and I met where I pick out a couple that say. Hey how'd you guys meet right. And then I I I listen to them. That's that's some of the most fun to me. 'cause I've had the easiest stories and you just have to roll with it. I don't know what the story was the night that you saw me. But give me some good ones the homa. Oh my God. There's been stories where people have cheated on each other like like. Oh I met him when I was married to my first husband or whatever and yeah there there was one time where it was a Dr Care Doctor. Patient Situation There was There was one. Oh one time I had to correct the guy because he was literally about to indict himself because he said I was a teacher she was my student and I was like over eighteen rights. And he's like yeah. Yeah yeah over. Eighteen okay. Guy was about to crime. Ah in the middle of a comedy club. No one's filming that one exactly so. Yeah we've had some weird ones But that's always fun for me because you never know you. You never know the answer in terms of how couples get together very very rarely. Is it just well. We ran a bar. She was cute. I walked in very rarely So it's always a wife I met my wife on On or I'll tell the whole story you say she's one of us. Yeah Yeah Yeah I'm at my wife. I I was working in San Francisco. California I was on a radio show there. I was burned Out from the road I decided to take a little bit of time off. Comedy decided to Do a morning radio show so we do a morning show. I had moved San Francisco to do it. I I decided 'cause I know anyone in San Francisco I know friends. I WanNa make friends so we played this game on the radio. Show called tinder or grinder everyday a flip a coin basement Lansana going either tinder date or grinder date and for those. You don't know grinders gates ender and So you would have to go on the date. Yeah added going. That's the rule. I'm what you call go-getter my friend. Okay so a day one flip. The coin lands on grindr wealth. I gotTa do this and so I mean we make a profile very quickly match up with a very tall bearded red headed man. Who tells me only to call him ginger beer? He's like that's my name. My name is ginger beer. You referred to me only as ginger bear and I'm like I cool ginger beer. You just met Gummy bear. Let's do this. Yeah so we go on and I told him I told him radio bit him out straight okay. She told this work in the porn. I feel horrible right so I and he's like yeah. Let's just go hang out and we went out. We had a great time went sports bar. We're watching a game. We're just like laughing like I'm a imagine just hanging out with your boys and it's like the best night ever then every now and then your guy but he just looks and goes you know you look really good tonight like that's what it was like. Oh well thank you appreciate that right you know and it was a great time. Then this is the fact that I'm still friends with ginger beer to this day. Nice the next day. I'M GONNA go on the radio and talk about the day. We get a call all from a listener. Who Says Yeah you guys do in Tinder Grinder? You should hop on this other APP for the game it's called three-under and I'm like good. Surrender surrendered he goes. Oh that's tender for people trying to have threesomes that's the thing that's the thing I know. He got married way to quit my friend thriller. That's right now. Everyone's anyone's listening to podcasts. Their car guys like slamming on his brakes. Download this doing yet. Well here's a you know I'm not lying. It's not called threatened or any more tender sued them for copper infrigement Bridgman now. It's called Field F. E. L. D.. You're welcome This is a real APP. I went on that one matched up with two women rolling on a date together. Her one of the women did not show up for whatever reason when on date would just the other one and the other one I married two and a half years later. Why so that kind of opens the door to you know she loves women? I Love Women's although we have in common is great and she's also a AH tall. Yes go We we like to call you. People researchers she's a richer So so yeah I've done. I've done very well for myself. He's breached the field Subject Yeah there's there's been breached there there's been some there's been some region. Yeah now I it's like I said she loves women. Love women it but it's something we don't do it all the time. We're not like every day every week every month but every now and then my birthday Hey We got another nature yes bringing another reach and it just the reach and know that you're a little person. Well hopefully now because my wife is in charge of she makes the decision right terms of like hoosier and The but we the the person who's always well aware there there has never been a situation where wife comes home through the front door. Like Hey got you surprise is and all of a sudden woman goes well. We did not agree to that that that no that's weird you gotta be really Kinky. That'd be doing the three some and the little. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's a whole that's a whole new level man but So Yeah we've we've done that a few times and for anyone out there. That's why I want to try that with my partner. I say great wonderful but constant communication during Han during before checking in. What's okay what's not? Okay God Roger What what. What are rules here? Constant communication. There was literally a time when we had My wife and I went out. We met this. The great woman was down. It was all about it. We got back to our front door at the front door. My my wife's kind of looks me goes. I don't want to tell are you this. I'm just not feeling it. I'm not feeling and I went okay. I stopped when I'm thank you. I'm sorry not night if you WANNA come in and have a cup the coffee or a drink. Ginger beer ginger beer. He's locked in the dungeon downstairs. Full Pulp Fiction style blog. Yeah Yeah Yeah. But that's not happening tonight and the fact that I was able to do that means that in the future Wife and I are good. They're no one one incident. no-one act is going to be worth making the whole marriage crumble. So no I I I would say very communicative be very A and B. Very Open with what. You are comfortable with that that that is my tip for anyone who's thinking about doing that. He's also got another tip for you now. That would be the perfect spot for this podcast break and for you to go like oh well speaking of three ways group coming over or you WanNa feed them all Omaha steaks and if you feel a little sore afterwards. GDP Yoga. That's my favorite part about this podcast. And and I'm a fan of this podcast Jericho so is is when you break and Now and you go on the ranch and then you go into go right and the ad the the Omaha stay there legendary. What the best part was I always a little change in the audio like it's like yeah because I had a three so anyways broad now that we're talking about your three away but yeah I'd almost steak was on the Moxie podcast? which did this ridiculous number? And now everyone talked Omar steaks. I said those almost thanks guys vejle you do only because they got more than those monies on this one because it was something he was talking about like a drama or something that he endured in your life for trauma. Uh thanks that's right. It was the best transition as funny when you were talking. I was a friend of mine. Gary Holt he plays for slayer now he he loves slash hates these little women of Atlanta. Oh Yeah I had to look it up to see what it was called us when I was doing. It wasn't being rude but okay. What do you think those type type of shows? Oh Man Well first of all there's To cast members of the little women shows that I've actually dated really back in the day. So how many of them is there. I think there's three there's little women. La Little Women New York women Atlanta. You made a little bit of two so And I don't i. I shouldn't say the CAST members they're not consenting to for that information. ICS take a guess. Yeah but DM ME on twitter. I'll tell you yes so but those shows you know what here's how I view it. It wouldn't be necessarily something that I would do that I would wish A very close friend of mine to do but my thing is is you reach or having their fun being trashy on Reality Television Oh vision. I consider US equals. We should have the opportunity to be trashy on reality television to it's fine. It's like like I've been a big proponent of I think they should do little person. UFC fights like I think they should. Because I know some friends. They're trained like they're like they're like they're black belts in in Jujitsu like they're legit really good martial artists and I would love to have our own division. I said that once I'm GonNa Radio Show and someone called in was like that's exploitive. I'm like no it's not. It's not well you're not gonNA have like a dwarf fight Conor McGregor. You know like that that would be exploitive. That'd that'd be horrible give us their own division and who decides whether it's exploited or not. 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Lp I played midget hockey. It's not a size thing. It's just the name. Yeah how how do you feel about that because the banning it now I'm see I'm i. I don't even know if I'm the right guy to ask because it doesn't offend midget. Yeah Horn said it makes me money. Call me migita literally said Yeah. Very good philosophy. I don't care For me it's all about words. People use when win win their intent. Is there what they mean by it because if some guy drives by in a pickup truck and yells you little person. He's using the P.. We see term. I'm still like that very derogatory way horrible but so I'm not the one and I won't get onto serious tangent right here but I feel like right now. People are almost getting jealous of other people's of when other people get offended. I did like people get offended and people aren't offended are like Oh my God. I should be offended. Look how much attention. They're getting when they get offended. I should be offended by something. What's my thing okay? And then they dig in they find this thing. Don't call me a janitor or call me a mass. For the custodial arts I'm offended by the word Janet Ling. I feel like midget has a little bit of that in it where we were searching for our word and They're in there's joke I used to make in my act where a would say like and I've heard this where people have said like when you call Dwarf Image. It's the exact same as calling a black percent the N.. Word into that. I would say midget please. He's like no no no same not even close so but at the same time. I I understand like because we have midget football out here and and there's a similar movement going on to end that I get it but it doesn't bother me you know I think there's bigger problems in the world goats all of those you know. Once we've solved all the problems we get to the bantamweight the midget wait the mighty Mike. Okay Okay we'll figure that out will figure out that we can't call NBA owners owners anymore. Like we'll get to that. There's I come on right in really cared away own the team you know memo. That's fine you don't own the people young team that's right. You are the owner owner of this team. I mean St bomber. Pay Two billion dollars for the clippers. And now you're saying like you're not the owner but but at the same time I'm open if someone someone is offended by something like that and they explained to me why maybe I'm not seeing it from their perception. Maybe I'm just like I'm being my Gig. Get off my lawn. Maybe I'm being that guy so if someone wants to explain to me why is offensive to them and that happened recently with me where there is Something happened in the news. I was very like that's not what and then a friend of mine who actually affected told me about it was like Oh wow now I did not not even understand. I didn't even think about it from that perspective. Right cool. You're right. Thank you for educating me now now better so I'm open but yeah I'm not. I'm not God I'm not a fan of when you were younger and they you know teenager or whatever no pun intended. Is You look up to other people. That kind of inspired you. Yeah Yeah Warwick Davis he he played willow and Rg to know. That's that was Kenny Baker. But I thought Davis do that in the warranty warranty. Yeah Warwick Davis was Con He was Lebron and also in return of the Jedi. He was wicked. That's the way it gets sorry. Sorry yet. Trust me I know him parts and also to in that show. The life is short. Yeah and Very funny in that very very physical. Yeah I loved him The actor this very people know this next reference but Billy Barty dog who was also in the movie will but he was like sort of the trend setter of all dwarf actors and then What was the the trump center? He he in the sixties and Seventies. Yeah Yeah and he had a legitimate acting career If you look at his IMDB he started when he was like six years old and worked until he. I was like eighty. Because that's the war like I know that name. Yeah this time. But I can't really place or he was in like jared. The Mel Brooks Are Mel Brooks movie. Life stinks yeah. He was in that. Yeah he was in that he was the guy He was also in willow as the wizard that goes like. Show me the finger where I applies like he he he. He's that guy. He was nineteen thirty three gold diggers of nineteen thirty. Nine years old he was maybe even wizard of Oz but he was is a little bit too young for that. Yeah yeah look at the nineteen thirty. His philosophy is ridiculous and it's just one after another so and then he was also in the happy. Hooker goes to Washington. Evan Billy actually founded the organization. LPGA Little people of America. Oh he founded that so one of the reasons why a lot. That's a big organization. There's there's conventions And I've gone to many of them as a kid and a couple of pseudo conventions kind of stuff do you do you do there Well they will tell you that that the convention is for socialization Like you get to learn you. See new products There's clothing swaps their sporting events. There's a lot a lot of that. I will tell you the main main reason why these conventions exist why banging its bank straight up banging. Oh that's where you go in and it make it makes a lot of sense for like for a whole year If you're dwarf you're someone who's sort of the outcast you're the guy. You're the guy that girl that something's different about them or you're a fetish. You're like a specialty thing. Then then you go to the convention. You're hot you're just you're just burress. Sex Symbol right there. You're you know what I mean you can. You can clean up man I did. It was fun. I've laid waste the single days but it was. It was a grand taigut. A Name for you up right now. I have a crush on her so little person. Okay Deborah Rutley Carrington. This is she and Seinfeld. She was in Seinfeld. And who's in total recall and I. Yeah she just passed just as last year but she was really pretty. Yep and Yeah you go you go you if you're if you're a retailer if you're an advertised I right now. I'm going to go away from engines. You won't get in we we have security and they're not dwarf security so it's exclusive 'cause we're aware are that there are people that would that that would wanna go to that and for exploited reasons and especially like with trying to get their full. She had to try tried. Take some photos and I mean. Don't get me wrong. I get it because like I said. We have like sporting events there and like I do them. There's all the sporting events there's track track and field and dwarfs running and attract. It's hilarious. It's like I. I'm not even trying to tell you know we're like no. It's funny hilarious. If if you got eight dwarves lined up ray set go and fire off a gun. Man is at funny our legs go off to the side. We're all tripping. It's it's Hilarious so I get that I did at that but I always loved going to the convention. When I first started wrestling? There was a farmer of the brain. The commits the wrestling midgets nineteen ninety. And it was farmer Pete and little little Lonnie or something like that I ever remember. I listened remember Had to do a promo to build up next week. Show Okay and Bob Brown was the bookers. And make sure you mentioned the midgets and next week here. It's going to be festive distancing. W We got you know Ron things coming in. And we get Johnny Smith go in and we got the midgets have so many. I watched it back. I'm like Oh can't say that anyway. But those guys yeah drink. Yeah do you guys can drink away because I remember on the cruise. When you're performing God you had your unloaded at everything? You went to every single event. Yes I wanted to have all the fun every van I I was watching you. I was Wa- watching watching the ACDC cover band watching Did the DP jogos doing like There's all the Ozzy Osbourne Tribute Dan. All the wrestling shows 'cause I WANNA do I wanNA experience at all and and one thing I one thing I will say this shutouts all your fans and the the people that are on the cruise is. I've told people about the crews and a lot of the other comics like I'm a suck you walk around and everyone's like bothering you go. No Jericho. Crews fans ends. were very respectful very cool. You were walking around and everyone knows you. I was going to every single show and like everyone one knows who you are on that boat and and would you agree. Like they're they're they're really. I found when I did. The Kiss Cruise. Played it the first day. Yeah it's a picture festive the church. Second Day it's Okay Thurday. You're just one of the gang. Everybody was cool. Yeah we're the same vibe on the cruise as well. Yeah and the cool part. Is that like you had those designated meet and greets setup so it's like hey you wanna get the photo in the autograph. Great come to meet and greet will do it. Then then you'll have time. That's we're that thing but until then let's sit back and watch corey Taylor do undo Spongebob squarepants by away. Those other boats were not ready. They were not ready for. Oh my God they were so. We're watching Corey. Taylor were import art. Young Bahamas that you're just you're doc. Yeah and there's boats that are on either side of us because we're all docked and Corey start's concert as we're still docked and you you could tell that people on the other. Boats were walking out to their balconies and like being like. Oh what's what's going on with that one and some of them. Let's be honest very large server larger boats they they they have view wrestling fans man. We started chance we started yelling. We point one's boat and be like your your both both sides ships bad or check check check. Yeah that was the chance we're great. I remember seeing the old people that are going from the Mediterranean or whatever their Bermuda shorts what is going on Larry why are they not June maliciously just doing a good time fun. We're not owning your boat when we got court Taylor doing a damn acoustic set over here. Yeah a great time and that man I will. And that's your thing about whenever you go to a wrestling show especially some of the more underground wrestling shows and certainly in aws. Because it's like marks. They're the chance are very creative. I I gotTA GIVE PROPS ROBS to a lot of wrestling fans. There's some chance for. I'm just like wow that's solid. That's like good comedy right once again. There's a fine line though where you don't want people taking over the show shirt joining have fun. Navigable like you said earlier paid my ticket. Yes he did. But you wouldn't pay your ticket for a Broadway play and start chanting chance you've Julia Roberts for line three days of rain or right now I would say this when how does it feel because you say the the rest of us pay attention to the crowds so when you have like a dust and Reynolds and he hears the crowd chant us still got it. That's got to feel pretty damn good. They'd be the ones that to me is A. He'll jerk. I was like I never lost it. I find sometimes especially in this day and age aged fans are quote unquote in the No. The Ville think they're smarter than the average bear. And you know you deserve it and stuff so once again come join in have a great time be respectful realize. Sometimes you don't chant. Sometimes you keep your mouth shut or sometimes you fall along with what's going off. There was there was one guy and this is This is on the Jericho cruise when you were doing a live. Talk is Jericho with Jim. Ross and Jerry lawler right and they were telling the story about Owen Hart Right. Wow got shut down real fast but lake. Jim Ross is telling the most emotional story. Yeah I've ever heard forget about him. Having to essentially tell a world wide wrestling audience that Owen Hart past and one guy tried in you you could tell. Jr's almost starting starting to cry and one guy. Just start going in like everyone just like shot Baggers Guy Short not the time And thankfully he stopped very quickly but yeah that was the only time how about the guy during your said that was trying to rush the stage. Oh yeah yeah terrorist or something. What happened there? Oh God yeah. I totally forgot about that. He just wanted to hug it was it. Was it impersonal stage. You like dude. Don't come any closer like he was yelling and screaming and people were telling me to be quiet. Then he got up and got a bum rushed the stage. Yeah they took them out. Ah Yeah he was cool but like and I like. He's one of those guys where I can tell he wasn't like he didn't have any malicious intent behind it. He was very drunk just just very happy now. Have a show to do that. And I don't know you're not malicious right like you like some of the times when like fans ran on the field and and sporting events and like the the athlete gives me a hug or something. I'm like don't do that. We all we all remember. Monica Seles to mean Gingrich. One remember rule. Don't try and pick me up. That's the number one rule hate that shit and It was great. I remember that guy tried to rush stage I stood up it was like. SCU is right. There I don't do. This goes over there over there. We're good I'm not worried about my safety. I'm very worried about yours speaking of the cruise. I never told you about the survey results. Everybody that went on the cruise. 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And then they see on the next one and then it's it's cool. I've I've got some friends that do and Like Craig gas coming back He was telling me that the kiss cruise really becomes like a family because he did the kiss the kiss cruise for like eight or something. He says it really becomes like the same people on the boat as an annual meeting for everybody. Yeah I feel like that's the that's the Jericho Cruz is gonNA. It's it's going to be trying to do a Hannity and we all get Come in and I'll say this man cruises in the comedian world are like like. Oh that's where you go when your career is dead really and you can only do cruises like yeah. It's it's SORTA as it's still like that now not now because there's like theme right so now like I say I did the Jericho crews everyone's like Oh my God. That sounds amazing. Yeah now you three eleven cruise or my buddy Chris Porter does the kid rock crews. And everyone's like Oh you got that. Sounds like I had people Bruce Jingles. I think you might have contact eighteen in people contact member roots because he just wanted to do the cruise. Yeah same with Sarah Tiana. You'd think you mentioned her as well. These guys are coming on because they they WANNA be a part of it along with bands and all that stuff too and trust me. None of us are getting rich from the crews and the only guy that didn't make money on the first one not about that. It's about Kook creating getting their annual vacation with the community and people want to do it. Yeah you make a couple of bucks but you get a free cruise. Have a great time. It's a vacation. Yeah and like you say you right like you didn't make money but at the same time we would you trade it in no. I'll get it back now that we have to get it back at some point but you got you got to build old building and start from scratch and I love the and also argue that maybe other than myself. No one had more fun on that cruise than you. Yeah you WWL's it's a giant party that I'm paying for the disco inferno cost. You came like you've told us you till disco story on the PODCAST. You get a year and a half to do it. Yeah you know and so yeah. You dressed up as disco inferno on on the Halloween Performance Pasi Awesome. Did you dress up at all. I did not but I will tell you and this is how much might might I fan boy out. There's a show that's in Hollywood and travel. Sometimes it's called the Goddamn comedy jam. It's a lot of fun. It's where a comedian the picks a song. They like. They do like a five minute comedy set they they they explain why they like a certain song and then a live band plays the song they sing the song with the live band. It's a great show. Yeah it's a great show and they took it to Austin Texas as part of a comedy festival. I was going to be on the festival. They asked me to show. I've done a few times. I dressed up one time. Like as As Kid Rock I came out with like a for a fake fur code and like did the whole thing. I dressed up as mini Fred durst. I post the video on my instagram. Frederick actually commented on it and it was like wow okay never not available W. and biscuits show and this year I dressed up as you and did SOS because that was the only thing. Yeah yes I saw that. Yeah by the way tricky lyrics and they're all similar yes all like linkage in like. It's the love you gave me get eight. It's all like in the same realm in but it's all those all the time I was looking for a bass player. Who knows the words just? Oh that's how it goes. How would you choose that Song Song? That was backstage in Germany. And I remember it might have come on shuffle or rich had it. It was his original idea and I was like all. It's perfect because it's dark wouldn't expect it a very well as a heavy song. It does that that that opening Piano Wrath with AH yeah haunting as a as a win your metal band It's great version as much better than shares. Well I like every like here's my thing with with the cover if you're going to cover change it like doing a live show okay. That's great because that's in the moment that's fine but if if you're gonNA release a cover song why would you. Why would I go get your version of the exact same? It's the same thing. Make it a little bit different different. Like we're it'd be you doing It S O s rather be limited. Skit has behind belies. All every disturbed song is a cover now company by five finger. Yeah the the the The disturbed sound silence. Silence huge hit for them shoe. Dad figure skaters in the Olympics Skate to that Zombie by battles these one hundred million views on and yet 'cause they change. Yeah it's a complete updated version right. Yeah so I would say if you're a band out there and you're like let's do a cover whatever just make sure it's different make as your own. Yeah exacts exacts a talk about your big announcement here. Oh Yeah well We were so excited and my wife and I after we got home from the Chris Jericho Rot rocking originally that we could not contain ourselves and We had a lot. We had a lot of fun and Very soon There is a third member member of the family. We'll be they'll becoming my wife. My wife is pregnant. I did it. You know the best part of that is as as a comedian. What's that got a whole new realm of material? Oh I'm so excited and like it's that's the thing is if you track my specials like if you look at my first showtime special special I'm talking a lot about When my sister had her first kid and as an uncle and being and what that experience? When's your sister richer Yes I'm the only word from the family. Lucky me and then my next special was all about my dad. My Dad had fought and beat skin cancer. And so that like. That's my favorite one if you ever wanted to like material based on that yeah it's it's called Daddy. The issues I believe is running on Amazon. Prime Yeah and then the third one the netflix special. That was all about Getting married so got all this stuff about my wife who was called That one's it's called the degenerates. It's on Netflix. Watch it you'll hear that I you'll hear why I can never win an argument with my wife. She's a fourth don black belt in taekwondo. So Oh no end in. Probably the next one will be all about being a dad and I'm really excited man and you know and for those you were wondering Some wives pregnant. She's tall so it's it's twenty five percent chance. Kids Dwarf seventy five percent chance. Kids are GONNA be tall. I I have no preference right. I I the pros and cons to both but You know like the kids tall great. You know why can't hide snacks on hi shelves anymore finally could find out what a small pop tart taste like. I've never seen them. You know that'd be good. But then the bad side. The kid grows up. He's taller than me. Like eight years old trying to discipline them. That's not going to go to well. Then then you have the Dwarf Kid. I Love David Wharf Kid. 'CAUSE my wife wife is Chinese. There'd be an Asian Dwarf Baby Holy Shit Asian Dwarf baby that's not OCCA- currency. That's that's just that's just too the great. Do you know how much an Asian Chinese birth family is worth of the black mark. We when you see amy drought around. That's why But then you know but then if the kid is a dwarf and then doesn't like being war hates being dwarf. That's going to be really hard for me because I'm GONNA leave the kid be like well. I don't know how it happened. Man Oh maybe he got it from your mom I mean so yeah it's It's very exciting. And I I will say this I. I love watching Like because on on your instagram and on and on and on and on the cruise as busy as you are Chris Jericho with Fauzi with a w with this podcast. You still have a lot of time where you post I nebi like hey look. I'm doing stuff with my kids. I mean a dad or A. You had something where like you were at your Kids Hockey Game and they won coaching it. Oh cool for me. This year has been very uh-huh schedule has been very light by design and also by just the Kismet of a w an fuzzy being off the record so for the first time ever I got to coach one of my kids and I don't really know anything about baseball. I could try the guy that throws the balls son football player. My daughter plays softball my other daughter. Cheyenne decided she wanted to try for hockey. I know about hockey. I can do that. Those really cool to be able to do that because I remember one of the great things when I was growing because my dad was a coach. Tried to be kind of fun for me. Power you as a coach Dad like are you the guy that's going to like I saw some video Few he days ago there was a massive brawl. Like a little like a little league. Game Are you that kind of data and thinks I'm going to be a yellow screen but that's not me because I just WanNa make sure that the kids had fun and also they pay attention. He ends a lot like like you know puppies just looking over here especially a preteen girls girls. Yeah Oh my gosh. There's really stop me. Run down the ice to bike is. There's no is okay. Rundown the floor. You understand what I'm saying. It's ice hockey. Have here you know the one of the ladies would say I got a dribble. The puck and make notes stick handled bass all your stick handling it idea. You're sticking to the puck down the ice. That's what it is that I will say like I've got friends that are Have a career and also make that time and they have to be a dad. And you're GONNA have that to a as we wind down here because you're still on the road. Yep and now you're GONNA have You know a adjust your schedule accord but you still going to be on the road to do your living now. When I went to Columbus the place is very full? It was you know the second show of the night. Yeah shows are you seeing your career grow. Yeah yeah it's really cool. I like now it used to be friends would call me up and be like. Hey I'm GonNa from the show on Friday. I'll be like great leader tickets and they'd be like. Oh I have like eight friends would be like great alleviate tickets now. I can't do that now in friends are like. Hey I'm I'm come with like eleven people you just like leave us. Twelve tickets sold out like I. Can I do for you get to throw to anywhere. But now I can't do anymore and that's that's exciting and obviously PUTS MORE MONEY IN MY pocket game for that because it seems like as a comedian step is is always share wrong standup Sitcom yeah get your movie. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean yeah that is that is the plan is get what get a TV show being movies. He's not all that but I don't see a world where I'm ever not doing standup comedy and you can tell that it's a special art form and that the people that do it are really into it. Like Ray. Romano released a netflix special. This year. That guy with everybody loves Raymond has more money than God and he still doing. Stand up releasing specials touring worrying such seinfeld about six months ago. Yeah at a at a small theater. Two Thousand People in Denver last night last night I was at a bar in Woodland Hills. California friend of mine called me up and was like hey I got this show. Could you do it for me. headliner dropped out. We'll apparently he made a couple of other phone calls. Because Howie Mandel showed up famous Canadian Howie Mandel of e and he went onstage in did stand up and he and I and I and I was talking to him afterward he goes. Yeah everyone thinks I make my money from Mike Dealer. No deal or America's got talent he goes. I make more money doing stand him like. That's where I'm I'm doing that constantly so I don't see a world where I'm ever not doing standup if I get a TV show some some movies awesome. Love that If there's a if there's ever a third season of I'm Chris Jericho dammit. It was it was that or who got it right. It took me eight years to get the first one sold for years to get the second season so in two years you'll get a third season. Well there's never third season of I'm Chris. Jericho damage rose bread on that but no matter what happens I'll always come back to stand up 'cause you and you and you know this from your ventures there's nothing that matches the live yup feeling alive notching exactly the instant feedback. It's like you said you try. If you try new bit doesn't work you'll know right away if you try it you'll know right away if it works Speaking which is the last question for you here Went to see your your show tonight laughing at I wanted to is quick Sampoerna real thing. Quicksand porn is a real thing. I talk about it and my said go right right ahead guys look it up and explain it quickly. What it is? It's it's women sinking in quicksand naked and like out. Unreal it on your phone. I I know you don't want that on your history but it's real my buddy Burke Chrysler told me about it and no-shirt cert. Yeah no way I look it up and it turns out it's real and here's my whole thing with the quicksand point. Listen I get it. It'd be a freak. Do whatever you WanNa do if if it doesn't hurt anybody rate but like some of these fetishes man like there's other like there's a deep dive into porn hub and sound like okay. I know a lot about it. I'm a married man. I'm on the road a lot. I've been to the end of porn hub. They ask seeing it got it got it needed. I sign on and it's like how from the like welcome back Brad date. They know me they know me there. There's there's a lot of stuff on there where you're like. I get it if you have a weird fetish. That's fine the thing that bubbles my mind is like how do you discover that you're in the quicksand porn gene. and where's the set. Are they building. Set in Van Nuys. Actually go into the House on jungle. Define there's movies about girls that sit on balloons and pop stop them and then guys are like really into that. How you find out like could I feel very vanilla when I find out these things are out there so i Mike you know my wife's very very attractive just like a little missionary which do doggie Woo crazy? Every now and then we have three way. Wow you know I thought that was crazy and then I find and these guys would like so like the girls popping. Balloons are are. Are you going your kid's birthday party one. Mom's trips followed on a balloon boy. I'm hard hard right now. Oh my God I hold on I gotta go google this Google you find out that there's tons of guys are also also into that to me. I feel so happy and let them like. I'm only into this stuff that I'm into madness clown porn orange clown born. Well that's okay. I can see that what should be the name of your next quicksand. I not the bad one not a bad one book. Maybe Netflix always great to see a man. Always a pleasure. We I've seen you twice a week. I know it was it was great. I it's it's it's bonus Jericho time and then Yeah and then I'll see on the boat. My friend sounds good. Cook samborn by bribing congrats again to Brad Williams. And his wife. They're welcoming a new addition to their family early next year. Which is why he won't be on the Jericho cruise in January will miss them? But you can definitely go see super funding. 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WBZ report rock state politics and email hinting at a rape cover up the twenty twelve email from powerful lobbyists Michael McLean and was sent to senior members of then governor Pat Quinn staff in McLean pleads for leniency in a disciplinary hearing for a state worker and then vouches for the man's loyalty realty he has kept his mouth shut on Jones's ghost workers the rape in champagne and other items the email read. He is loyal to the administration. This this person could describe such an act of violence against another human such breezy and dismissive way that race. The one in Champaign just is really beyond me I read this last night and it probably is One of the most disturbing and shocking said effects facts that I've experienced as a member of legislature needs to be accountability for what happened in even worse. This individual is currently understood payroll the person who did the right thing by keeping his mouth shut. What I WANNA know is what is the rape? That's being alleged here. What what Jacqueline the circumstances around that? What is there a cover up? That was done around that. And secondly what does this goes payroll in reference to Once their wrongdoing associated within who's responsible trembling email from nearly eight years ago surfaces it's caused quite a stir in state government and politics. And we'll discuss that with a reporter. Her who uncovered the email also task force that has been working on ways to bring property tax. Relief issued a draft report. Republicans came out critical. That and more coming coming up on state week I'm Shawn Crawford with me in the studios of NPR Illinois on the campus of the University of Illinois. Springfield is Charlie Wheeler is an emeritus professor and former director of the public affairs. Reporting Program you. Is He's also a longtime statehouse reporter in observer also with us in studio is the IP statehouse editor. Brian mackey Jackie and joining us from Chicago. We have WBZ's government and politics reporter. Tony Arnold Tony. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me Sean. Don't a you were the one that uncovered covered this email that we mentioned and we want to get more into it. But let's start at the beginning. How did you come across this? I came across it through a I just filed a freedom of information formation requested something that myself and other reporters do regularly I it's not like I knew this was this kind of this email with this information was out there when I filed Freedom of freedom of information requests. But when you work for the state government. Your emails are are public record. And they're accessible if reporters just ask for them and This one's been sitting there for seven years and I don't think anybody edits else has asked for it The reason I did is because Michael McLean is a central figure. Figure A in a in an UN as far as I can tell unrelated investigation from the federal prosecutors into lobbying activities at At Commonwealth Edison the Power Company. That's that's serves Chicago in the Chicago region so because Mcclain tied in with commented they he was their lobbyists for a long time. I just asked for emails that McLean had with chiefs of Staffs of the last three governors going back about ten years From from the current Governor Jay Pritzker through Bruce Rauner to pat. Quinn got about three hundred pages of e mails back This one just stopped stopped me in my tracks when I when I read it. Well Tony. What actually was in this email? What was the what was the part that use you mentioned stopped in your tracks? This is is an email from July thirty first. Twenty twelve written by Michael McLean At the time again. He's just a a lobbyist and not just any lobbyist though. He's a very powerful lobbyist CBS. Tuesday also very close with Michael Madigan in terms of both as a strategist and But also as a friend and so in this email mclane is asking for leniency. For a state employee who is named Forest Ashby and Ashby apparently is about to face discipline for not following. Orders in McLean is is asking for leniency. On Ashby's behalf to two of then governor Pat Quinn's top AIDS Gary Hannigan Jerry Sturm and in this in this email. He's asking for leniency. For Ashby and McLean ends the email saying the but Gary for God's sake do not let the disciplinary meeting. Get Out of hand. This man's good compliance person as I told you the AG's office and the sheriff's love working working with them. He has kept his mouth shut. On Jones's ghost workers the rape champagne and other items. He is loyal to the administration. And I. I understand that people are cynical about about government in Illinois in government in particular but this is not something that as as a political a reporter for the last several years. Now I've I. This is not something that I typically see. Th- this was. This was very surprising to me personally and not just surprising. Doing what was in that email. But I think you had mentioned this before Purdue Talked to other folks about this that you were surprised about the response or lack of response as far as I can tell that. There's no there's no replies to this email it's not like Gary Haniger Jerry. Sturm Er the Quin AIDS. Row back back to him and said Mike what what are you. What in the world are you talking about here? there's no there's nothing like that and in fact if there's any indication about how powerful full influential Michael McLean was and is as a lobbyist. The next day he writes them a follow up email and he says I do not know what happened but I no nothing happens accidentally. Ashby Disciplinary meeting was postponed. I thank you this implies that there was action taken to benefit benefit. Ashby because Maclean wrote this There's several interpretations I know to. How McLean is writing his email? Is he making some sort of threat to Hanoch or S- termer that there could be some damaging information out there that that could become public. If if they don't act on Ashby's behalf there could be another interpretation of this email that he's just simply asking for some help for a friend. The fact of the matter is we don't know because the four people equipped to answer what this e mail is all about in the details about it have not returned calls or emails sales or social media requests for comment. That includes McLean Hannigan. Stir Mer and Ashby No one has commented actually took a tip to to stake out. Mike McLean actually had lunch at a really nice downtown. Chicago steakhouse yesterday Saturday My colleagues found out about it and rushed over there and caught him as he was leaving. A McLean said that he wasn't going to answer questions about this email. And he indicated to didn't either that there might be some discussion going on with prosecutors or investigators in some way and he intimated made that prosecutors have asked him to cooperate in their investigation and he left it at that. The implication here is that mclane is is not cooperating with prosecutors. Truly I want to go to you. You've watched the government for a long time. I think Tony also mentioned that you know. In all the time he seen government. This is not something you would normally run across and certainly not something to be taken lightly. Just get your thoughts on what we've heard so far. I was actually totally surprised and shocked because he I've seen a lot of stuff in state government but nothing that would indicate that that someone actually actually knew about a rape that occurred they covered it up. I mean that goes beyond beyond the bounds in my judgment. I guess we're used to yoga. Crooked state officials swiping a few thousand here in a few thousand there in acting like beurs towards women but the notion that you would Praise someone for helping to cover up a rape. I mean that's just that's beyond the bounds. I just I'm like at a loss for words roots and that's the kind of thing that should be investigated. Now I understand senator. Brady's Republican leader in the Senate Bill Brady has asked the Illinois state police to look into it. The champaign county state's attorney if indeed this occurred in her jurisdiction should be looking into it to prosecute. I mean you can't can't just sweep this stuff under the rug. It's just horrendous and Brian. This came from governor pritzker office this email but there's no indication the we don't want to speculate that the the governor Pritzker knew anything about this necessarily but you did talk with him this week. You're in you've also seen some other things that have some other Locations where he has spoke this weakest. He weighed in on this at all. Yeah the governor this week You're listening to the heartland when news feed Radio Network Broadcasting Live twenty percent newsfeed. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by and follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram's this is the liberty your daily source for liberty news an activist updates produced in partnership with the SNL s network and listeners nurse like you online at SNL s network DOT com. 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Iraq's parliament voted one seventy two zero earlier this month on the ouster though US officials have said they don't intend to leave and have denied actually being asked to following the threat Abdul Mahdi now says he wants to leave the question up to the next government government that could take some time as Abdul. Mahdi nominally resigned last month and there has to be work on reforming election. Law and holding fresh elections meant to placate the anti-government protestors. There's no timetable. In place for any of those moves and efforts seemed to all but stopped since a US attack on Baghdad airport activists post reports the US joint operations with Iraq shortly thereafter fearing. They'd quickly get into fighting after that ever wonder where refined all the news to report right here on the Liberty beat visit. SNL S. DOT news to get the world's most censored media published all in one place. Save yourself from the endless Louis time spent searching for reliable unitive media. SNL last news makes it quick and easy. No ads. No Click Bait just roll headlines Twenty four hours a day AAC. SNL DOT news and get informed today without the corporate media spin. Your news now continues the infamous United Kingdom Kingdom Police Department. Scotland Yard is refusing to reveal. Prince Andrew's location on the night that he is accused of being with Virginia. Gregory one of the young girls traffic by Jeffrey Epstein. Who was underage at the time? She claims the Duke had sex with her. Members of the Royal Family are regularly accompanied by police guards in their day to day activities and there are records records of where and when the officers were sent or at the very least a record which officers worked on which day if the records were to be made available to investigators they could easily determine where Prince Andrew was on the night in question but police are saying that handing over such information could pose a threat to national security. 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You're listening to Dorf on sports here on your favorite APP. Now here's an welcome back in everybody. Mike Wilson Door through another door Fon sports weekend addition so much to talk about obviously the NFC and AFC championship. Football Games will be taking place. But obviously there's there's a lot going on in the sports world from baseball when they're not even being playing those games man we got scandals talking about and wondering whether or not those Houston Astros. Championships are as significant or have they been tainted a little bit and let's bring in our next guest and a normal regular dealer pro personnel. The program none other than John Poulter professor sports who come see us all the way from Canada John. Good morning my friend. How are you morning Andy doing very well? Thanks how. `Bout you can't complain. Obviously doing what we love here on another beautiful Sunday in the Valley of the Sun and Lucky to live here to be quite awesome. Because I do know what's going on around the country so Look let's get right into John. I mean what what. What more could we ask for from baseball? Then obviously them them giving us another scandal. I it's interesting because I was talking to somebody about this the other day. Ah off the radio just a real person to person conversation about sports in general and I said you know I really think about baseball in a much different different way than I think about. Every other sport and a lot of baseball thoughts and memories I have of baseball are scandals or you know all different kinds of of negativity. I guess is what I'm trying to say John and ultimately look I. I love the game of baseball. I Love Basketball Football. I love hockey. Live them all but certain things make you shy away from Games more so than others and quite frankly this could be one of those once again. That baseball has to recover from John. Yet it's a pretty big black mark against the game Quite frankly none of us are old enough to remember the black SOx scandal of nineteen nineteen. But we've all read about it. We've all heard about it. We've all seeing movies about it is is this. Perhaps the twenty first century issue of black SOX scandal. We just don't know how a deep this thing goes. Obviously the Astros have caught The Red Sox are still under investigation. The next question is are there any other teams names that have been participants in this kind of situation are still participating in this kind of situation. How even if the playing field you know where the Astros? It's the only team that did this in two thousand seventeen or were they only whether the only ones that got caught. We don't have the answer to that Unfortunately it's put another black mark against Eh what I think is a terrific game Janda you know you you look at the punishment handed out I mean. Do you think it was sufficient. And Ah what do you think is going to happen with Boston. I mean they're going to be a similar thing or A. What's your gut telling you? What am I god is telling me that took the suspensions were were pretty steep Probably a bit steeper than we anticipated Specifically because in Houston the guys that took the hit for this. We're not the guys that got the benefit of the guys that got the benefit of this with the players and the Commissioner has already made it quite clear that This point anyway. They know players. That are going to be penalized. I think the fallout Is Probably in Boston. Because not only was Alex. Cora mentioned I believe eleven seven times in the Commissioner's report on the situation He has since parted ways with the red sox by mutual consent because of his role in the two thousand listen in seventeen situation in Houston but coincidentally he was the manager in Boston. Two thousand eighteen. When is an investigation going on there and that team was also also a world series so when are so does that make core more vulnerable or does it make them less vulnerable my feeling as it makes them more vulnerable because not not only was he involved with two teams during the situation he was sort of deemed to be the brains behind it along with Carlos Beltran so I think that court has got to be looking at the suspension more than twelve months because it it overseas to organizations on two world championship so my gut feeling is that He may vase final. Fight himself with a stiffer penalty. Maybe that's a reduced a little bit because he's stood up and owned up to his mistakes and willingly stepped aside. I was the guys in Houston. Did Not they were pushed. I think there's a lot still to be revealed about this. And quite frankly ten years from now we may still not know the whole story on. It really went on in these situations. That's a great point. That is the voice of John. Paul Gerald Professor Sports Breaking Down the latest Major League Baseball scandal handle here on the door font sports weekend edition. Mike Wilson Andy. Dorf were always with the alive. Every Sunday morning eight. Am Til Ten am Pacific Standard Time time and adjust your clocks wherever you are obviously to check us out and we do appreciate you listening to us on Siriusxm Channel to eleven and however else you may be doing it. I iheart tune in whatever the the way. CHECK US out. We do appreciate it and John. You brought up something pretty Kinda near and dear to me and I've got to get your take on this Because I actually think that the penalties maybe aren't stiff enough Let's talk about Pete Rose for a quick moment here and I understand. It's written on every stupid locker room before you walk in and walk out about not gambling on sport But let me tell you something I quite. Frankly think that when you're cheating to this degree and P P heroes let let's let's make that quite clear okay. The Guy was betting on his team to win games. Okay let's look. Let's make that completely clear to people again. I understand stand. It's not right. It's wrong cardinal sin. I get it but he wasn't cheating in the sense of betting on against his team he. He was betting on his team to win. So let's make that very clear to people and now let's go back to what we just had in the scandal where you actually had people cheating. And in in my humble opinion John this is the worst worst part of cheating that you could ever have when you are actually trying to create a competitive advantage over your opponents that to me is the ultimate cardinal sin as far as cheating goes Any Sport and to me. Frankly this is worse than what Pete Pete Rose did. How do you feel about this in particular to what Pete Rose did? That's an excellent point thing quite frankly. It's not one that I've I've really considered until you brought it up but I think they're equally serious For different reasons but as you point out Rose committed to gambling but admitted to gambling in the sense that he was betting on his own team to win so but he wasn't sort of throwing the game like the the black socks were in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine so those are two totally different situations. This one's a little different than that. You know we're talking to three decades down the road from the rose situation and all of a sudden we're now seeing technology play a big part of it and technologies come into baseball big time with analytics and all these other wonderful times. We hear every time I'm a young manager is hired or a new general manager comes into play. That's got a scouting background rather than the traditional baseball background. I think it's a whole different game name as I said before my concern would be that Houston and Boston. We're not the only two teams that were doing. This and I say that because the baseball all world is still a pretty small world. What one team is doing today? The other team tries to do tomorrow to catch up and I bet you if we were to sit down and have a heart heart to heart talk with somebody. From every Major League Baseball Organization we would probably find out that if this was so well known that it was going on in the game that every team has has at least talked about it maybe not implemented but has at least talked about it and if that's the case yeah it's a big black mark on the game. So as I said earlier era I think ten years down the road. We'll never know the whole story on this I see those interviews on the MLB network this morning with Bregman and Al to Addressing that they're supposed role in this and they're both claiming that the those allies I'm not sure how we'll ever find out quite frankly Very much a black mark the game we all love. Yeah too bad. 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I gotta ask you something because is when you look at the standings it's to me anyways it's relatively lopsided because the eastern conference seems to have Several better teams than the Western Conference for that being said. Obviously the Western Conference near and dear to our hearts because of the Arizona coyotes. He's who one day in the Pacific you can be in first place with fifty eight or fifty seven points and then the next day you can be in second third fourth or fifth place because there are so many people that are logged up but I guess my point is is is the West that that much worse than the east and at the end of the day. Does it really make a difference. Does it all comes down to match ups anyway when push comes to shove and the Stanley Cup finals. Well it's interesting because for a number of years in the NHL. It's been the other way around that the most of the stronger teams were in the Western Conference. So we've seen that happen in baseball with these with the National League and the American League. We've seen it happen in the NBA with the East and the West we see happen in the NFL with the American conference in the National Teleconference. I think it's just one of those things and we're going through a spell right now. Were the stronger teams team to be in the east. But there's a huge gap between the top teams the bottom teams in the east. The West as you pointed out very very very close at Pacific Division Vancouver enforce place with fifty eight and then Edmonton cowdery Vegas in Arizona. All fifty seven every time I look at that division reminds me of the chats. We've had over the past couple of summers about the National League Central Baseball. It's Tuesday Vancouver's in first place. If it's Wednesday it's Edmonton if it's Thursday it's Calgary and so on and so forth Great Competitive Hockey if it competitive or is it mediocre okay. Maybe it's a little bit of both but it sure is interesting to watch John. You know there's a what the heck is going on Vegas because they I other coach it was supposed to be the coach for the All Star game or one of the coaches like what led to this same kind of abrupt that they got rid of them. But what leads all that Mass Vegas I. Don't think anybody knows Mike to be honest with you. I was extremely shocked. I I was the curling club on Wednesday morning and got a text advising the two by the Vegas night said dismissed the Gerard Galant and in in the same sentence that said the divorce had been harder to replace him so clearly something that's been contemplated for a little while. They had their ducks in order. They had their new guy What's been really interesting is that we seem? I think it's six coaches fired or resigned. The season and two of them were immediately rehired and in both both cases were rehired to coach better teams than the ones that they were fired because they had underperformed I'm not sure what that tells us whether it tells us that we're going back to the situation of guys being recycled and recycled. But I think when Peter boy was let go in New Jersey or in San Jose. I think my comment was. He won't be out of work for very long. I think he's a good coach. And that's pretty Nice gig In Vegas but all of a sudden he's in with four other teams It's puzzling really. Yes I always thought a lot was well regarded by the ownership by the management and certainly by the players and was always admired by the press. I I'm a little puzzled as as to what happened there. Maybe there's something that we don't know maybe we'll come out in time. But I was extremely surprised to be very very honest with you. That's the ballistic. John Poulter professor sports hanging out with us here on the door sports weekend edition always live every Sunday. Eight am till ten Pacific Standard Time. All right so let's keep roll on this theme with the coaches and let's take that negativity from what happened with the Vegas nights coach. And let's talk about the positively of Rick Tackett located in how he'll be showcasing his talents at the all-star break pretty cool stuff for him in the Arizona. coyotes isn't it John. It is and as you know I've always had a lot of respect for for talk it as a coach. I think he's well respected by the players. He's one of the I. I'm going to say a handful flow. I don't exactly know how many but he's one of a handful of current. NHL Coaches what good NHL players So he's one of the guys that can can literally standards standards city his players. I've been there. I know what you're going through. And I think that's a huge piece of what's going on in Arizona. He's been left to coach the players. He's obviously obviously gotta get relationship with those players and they've given up a competitive team so I think it's terrific that he's been rewarded. It's a little bit unfortunate that it's kind of what we would refer to as a left handed reward because a lot had already been picked to do that but I think it looks good for talk it Certainly solidifies his situation in in terms of the job. He's doing and in the Greater Phoenix area with the Arizona. coyotes and I'm really happy to see it happen. Hey Mike before you jump in. I just wanted to say some real quick. Can you hit on something. That kind of made me think about something John and you know you mentioned tactic being a a former player and having some success and you know it it doesn't always work out that way and I can think about when the great one was here with the coyotes and that didn't turn out the way that obviously he would have thought versus. You know what's happening right now with with the way that it's going for toxic and my point is is. Do you think that when you have the ability that a guy like the great one had Wayne Gretzky. Where you're you're too good for like like the guys can't do what you want? I want them to do because what you were able to do on. The ICE was so easy for you whereas a guy like Rick Talk. It wasn't the greatest player of all time. Did you get my point. Does that make some sense to you. And it's maybe easier for the guys to relate to toxic than it was for them to relate to a guy like Wayne Gretzky. Yes or no. Oh for sure had this conversation before to a superstar as a manager or a head coach generally is not a success story because he has has to quickly understand that the guys on his roster cannot turn it on and off as quickly as he could as a player in the classic example of that you know. Let's let's be clear with Gretzky. He had poor situation to coach. You had a short window. It's a very small sample size. Let's not judges coaching abilities by what was going going on in Phoenix at the time because we all know what kind of a circus that was in terms of the ownership. We've seen it happen in baseball to Ted Williams was a great player but he was not a good manager. Didn't have a very good team in Washington You know there's been very few superstar players in any sport that have become great coaches a lot. Let them have been mediocre. I mean Bart Starr was a great player. It's you know but he was a mediocre head. Coach was that because he was a bad coach was that because he was in a precious situation was that because he had a bad team. Lots of factors Frank Robinson was the same way. Great player manage several Major League teams but Don't don't think he ever won a world series In in his time as a manager. So I think we've seen it in every sport I think it's very hard for a great athlete to sit on assess the roster that he's got and come to grips with the fact that they're not all good as he was as a player therefore they're hard to coach. John you take a look at the western conference in is the are the Saint Louis. Blues the class in the last I mean they're they got sixty eight coins for thirty and eleven The defending champs are looking every bit the apart but You know so far this season they they kinda look like the class of the West. Don't they very much do my You know and as you point out they got an eight point lead in that Central Division over the Colorado Avalanche and the Titans at the Civic Division Those five teams all the point apart that makes that division very tight. It means that There are no off nights in the Pacific Division. And that's exactly. What are the Saint Louis? Blues Major opponents in the playoffs are going to come from. Because they're going to have to at some some point time if they're GONNA win again they're gonNA have to beat the team that won the Pacific Division and that's become a bit of dogfight. I think one of the positives in Saint Louis is a return at the foreign this year Jake Allen that all of a sudden we see him I think he's fourteen and eight with a two twenty two goals against average Jordan Bennington. The guy that took them to the Cup last exterior been struggling a little bit all of a sudden Jake Allen. It's come back and when you've got a one and one B goaltending tandem. It certainly makes your games a lot more interesting and makes you competitive every night and it rests both guys for any kind of a pro season run. John is always a pleasure talking sports with. Did you have a great rest of your Sunday. We'll catch up with you next week. My pleasure is always guys. Take care and we'll chat next week. John Poulter professor sports hanging out with us here on the door found sports. 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Get thing is is were here longer than forty seconds people. Because that's all it took conor McGregor to take out the cowboy Forty seconds and Tko. And I'll tell you what man that's that's the biggest problem I have with the Fi game and I know that that's the biggest problem. Everybody has the fight game. In General Mike is that you know what fights are always good headman and this is one of those cases where once again the UFC Pulls on over people's Head and Conor McGregor and all this Hoopla uh-huh and all this nonsense brings with you brought you forty seconds of entertainment so I don't know how you feel but I would feel cheated if I was the public. Oh I would absolutely feel cheated as well. Forty seconds I around. Tko with McGregor taken down a cowboy. I mean that. Was You know if you pay good money for the pay per view on that or pay you know you pay good money to see the fight there in Vegas I would definitely feel Like something somebody let me down right feel cheated those kind of things It does sound like the cowboy was way overmatched post game post in post game post fight Comments where he was surprised That McGregor came out and landed the keg or tried that kick that early early in the In the ballot. But look it's you're in the octagon you gotta expect the unexpected effect anything and everything to become an accurate. 'cause that's that's no a child's play A room and they're so We'll see McGregor and this Hubby Guy. The guy from Russia in town looks like a bear. You're Kinda guy get the get the rematch By personally I'll kinda open McGregor would go down but Yeah that wasn't to be last night Vegas now. A lot of people were hoping for that and then obviously the the people that are big McGregor fans and they have his back and all that but It this kind of thing to me because you know like I look I don't I don't I'm not a huge. UFC Guy but quite frankly. I thought these two guys. They could've been brothers for crying out loud man they almost look the same so If you look at the two like seriously conor McGregor on the cowboy. They almost look like their brothers. Mike like no joke but conor McGregor takes it forty seconds and there you go another. UFC fight that that people are going to be scratching in their head wondering what they saw if it was worth their with their money probably. Let's let's shift gears as quickly as that fight was that that's about about how much time we need to talk about that. And let's let's switch gears and let's talk something that's near too near and dear to both of yours in my heart that is obviously NBA basketball. The ball Boston Celtics brother. They've lost three straight now and you can be like okay. It's no big deal but when you listed Phoenix Suns at home is it more of a big deal than not a big deal. Mike Wilson. Yes or no oh. That's a big deal embarrassing racing like there there too. I believe they're like two and six in their last eight games. It's it's it's Kinda ugly in Boston right now. I mean but Marcus Smart. Last night says a franchise record with eleven threes. You know when Marcus Smart is sitting eleven threes in the game. And you still lose by four DOC That that the cost for Alarm and they're you know they're the fourth seed in the east now. They were second just last week. I believe You know jalen Brown hasn't been in there but you know look you can play with guys during the season the same guys are GonNa get injured and they gotta have and coaches talk about it and players talk about it all the time. It's that Mex man up mentality that you just gotTa Another guy has stepped in place and and and and ball out. So we're not getting that with the Celtics right now and it's You you know being a Celtic fan like I am. It's it's a little. It's a little frustrating. So we'll we'll see what happens here. What Brad Stevens can come up with? to stop the bleeding but Losing to the Phoenix Suns to me as an embarrassment. Yeah it's not a good loss especially at home not a good one for the Boston. Celtics attack with that being said You know what Nice victory for the Phoenix Suns. The way that they were able to follow up their impressive victory from the other night. You come back and you take out another one of the top teams in the League but let me ask you this man the Philadelphia Seventy sixers. What's going on their their sixth in the Eastern Conference and I think it's fair to say that they're underachieving at this point the Toronto Raptors in the third spot the Miami the heat in the second spot? I would say that both those teams are over achieving. At this point Mike you know to go to your question about Billy Yeah they are under achieving they have had in bead out for the last few games as well with an injury So bad that hurt birt's but I'll pay for three straight since he's been out what the heck I'm looking at that I looked at the wrong team. My Bad But they're they're not philly doesn't scare me like you would think with all their length with all that talent that you know teams might be scared of this team If if I'm the rest of the East I'm not scared of them. adderall and Ben Simmons. Yeah great phenomenal talent. He can't shoot okay when you get to the playoff possession by possession and and circumstance. You know basketball circumstances come up where he got shot go ahead and shoot it been shoot it all day dude goes you. You can't get water if you're in a boat at go ahead go ahead go ahead go you can I would i. Would I would say that. Ben Simmons I laying ten feet off this guy and just kinda packing it in two key. Because he's he's not GonNa beat you the only way he you because if he can get to the rim and if he gets to the round you know what go little Detroit bad boy on ninety style New York next style just foul Alan. You know make them not WanNa go in the lane and you know we is is so underachieving right now. It's not even funny all right so with all Latvian said look I totally agree with you. Don't nobody's scared of the Philadelphia Seventy sixers. But I'll tell you who you should be scared of. And it's the Milwaukee Milwaukee Bucks for crying out loud. I mean this team is so damn good bro. It's ridiculous at this point if you're not watching if you're not recognizing the way that this team team distributes the ball to each other shares the ball Janas puts up numbers. That are just absolutely ridiculous in no time. Hi Man the guy. Plays a twenty four minutes a game and he's putting up numbers. That are Sega or video game numbers. It's remarkable dude. Like seriously remarkable. Couple what this guy's doing he's better than he was last year. He's definitely improved. His three points shied improved the outside game so so much that the kid is so fun to watch man. And I'm telling you what the Milwaukee Bucks are flat out the best team in the League again. Yes I know him from the Great State of Wisconsin. But I'm also very objective if they don't win the title this year Mike. There's something drastically wrong along with the Milwaukee Bucks. Okay because you don't do what you do. During the regular season the way that they do night in and night out meant that they have twenty point leads like in the first quarter of games. Dude teams cannot even hold their jockstrap. I'm sorry man but they literally blow teams teams out every single night of the year man. So if you don't take that bring it to the postseason then you know it's a major a failure and there's something drastically wrong and I would have to say at this point. There's something wrong with your coach because dude you go out there and you win like like this. During the regular season put it on people the same way in the postseason brother and make people understand that this is not only a regular season something but this a postseason thing and this is a movement man. The Milwaukee Bucks play the game of basketball. Like nobody else. I'll tell you what my I actually think. They play a better brand than the Golden State. Warriors were playing when the Golden State Warriors Winning Championships Year in Europe brother. So this is the new brand of basketball basketball. And it's being played by the Milwaukee Bucks my friend all right all right Dora. Settle down a little bit breed and take take a breath here But no I agree with you in terms of the buck. They are the best team if you're not if you can't come to the realization of that right now I don't know Kinda on a drug you are on your on something that is just outta market or something. Now they they play the way you want the game to be played eight if that makes sense so the maturation of the bucks you know when we when we were kid. Andy it was you know Detroit had to get the Detroit Pistons and they Thomas and the bad boys. They had to get through Boston and they kept trying and trying and they finally got through and then it was just lights out for them And and the ball they had to get through Detroit. No walking's you know Kinda match in the same way they get they get to the playoffs. They lose maybe second around first round and to get further they get to the the conference title game out. You Know Championship series last last season. Now it's it's it's just full steam ahead. Honest is the guy. He's leading that team. Three point shooting is just crazy. Yeah I don't see anybody beating being the box in the east. I don't see anybody beating the bucks in in the West. And I don't even know who could give Milwaukee not a good series in the West maybe maybe the LA team. But I'm kind of hedging my bets on that a little bit and then look look. You mentioned that you honest playing twenty four minutes a game you know wearing those load management era. That's his load management only playing twenty four minutes a game ain't he can he. Can he can get ready for the next game. Because Milwaukee blowing out everybody that comes their way. It's unbelievable man. I it really is. It's it's remarkable that the clip that they're winning number one but also the point differential at which they're winning to its its record record pace as far as it goes. Hey real quickly. I want to touch on college basketball. Gonzaga still on top at number one and they look good really good. I think a big surprise is Baylor being number. Two Duke Goes Down to Louisville Auburn went down to Florida Butler goes down to Paul so it was upset. Essential in college basketball on Saturday. Mike Yeah was and you. You're exactly what I was gone back. They just they just they got they got they can shoot they. You know they they can do it all Baylor. Baylor is a lot of what they've been the last two years they're athletic. They're long They can play Defense Duke. You know like you said Duke You know they they got beat by Louisville or Kentucky fans would say little brother yesterday yesterday and That was a great win at Cameron Indoor for the cardinal to go in there and and be there. But you know you and I've been talking a little Auburn People got a key to kind of look out at Auburn A bit number four and then there look. There's a pack twelve team in that top. Then there's Oregon right there. They've just swept the Washington or now they've got a split with the Washington school so the ducks led by peyton pressured. Long Athletic Experience. There's a lot about Pouliot Klay but it could be a Lotta fun coming down the stretch absolutely man college basketball always fun down down the stretch. All right. We gotta take another pause for the cause. We'll come back. We'll wrap up our number. One number two is definitely on the arise and keep a close everybody. I'm ED. Or if he's Mike Wilson. This is the door for sports weekend. Addition to his left picked up the beds. We'd be touched for a free throw line. Roy Spins and shoots got six point two will run the baseline passes in its fought. Here's the heave from half court. 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I think that that's something to be noted and then also get Zog The number one team in the country already with twenty victories on the young season mass. Pretty crazy but We all love March madness and we can't get enough of it. It's common sooner than later. Believe me but our number one in the books my friend that means our number two is on the rise in a lot about the NFL the Championship Games AFC NFC championship games will be played. We'll be talking about it. We'll be breaking down packers forty niners cheese and titans. I can't wait to do it with you but Our number one man one by almost as quick as Conor McGregor his fight. Isn't it Mike Wilson. Well when you're having fun things go quick and and things over with so. Let's move onto that our to food. All righty folks. Our number one is in the books that does mean number. Two right coming up right here for you all about the NFL so keep a close. We want to dive into it. Will dissect it in every which way possible. Keep a close. 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Now here's an all right. Everybody welcome back good unbelievable. NFC AFC championship week. Are you kidding me. I love it man. I absolutely love it. The thing I hate is we're we're down to our last three football games. That's what I hate. We got these two games and then we got the Super Bowl and nobody cares about the pro bowl. So don't tell me that there's four games left. There's three games left people at least three meaningful games. We're going to break them all down for you as they all come upon us and we're lucky enough at one. Oh five our time later. Today we will have the Tennessee titans taking on the Kansas City chiefs and then at four forty pm our time chime today. Mike Wilson the Green Bay packers will make way to California Santa Clara California to be exact we vice stadium to take on the San San Francisco. Forty niners in what I call classic old school matchup. Obviously because I'm a huge Green Bay packer fan from the Great State of Wisconsin. So I love my my packer backers. I love my packer fans all over the all over the world. They're all over man. Packer fans are all over the place in general. NFL football fans. Ads are all over. The Place Mike Wilson so this is absolutely one of the greatest days in. NFL football that you could possibly have when you have have AFC and NFC. Championship Sunday man. I don't think it gets much better brother. I really don't and I love the match ups we have to. I hate to say I love him and I really do. No I do too and you know. Look you've got you've got Tennessee. Titans to have just kinda come out of nowhere they got all the momentum that you could ever you want and they have that bad and yet there's another bad man on the scene and he's You Know Derrick Henry down there in Nashville Just kicking ass and taking names With the fender. So it's GONNA be interesting first game to see how Kansas City defense defense him or are they just GonNa put eight nine guys in the box to play man free on on the outside And kind of go that way and and adjust accordingly from there then then look like in the late game you know you got Jimmy G.. Got Aaron Rodgers. You got the second match up between these two great franchises of the season. He's in Green Bay. Got Their stuff handed to them earlier. In the year. Two Aaron Rodgers. You know he's coming home. I mean he's from the area you. He he went went to cal. Is He gonNa let his packers Get demolished again or is it does. He has something sneaky up to up his Golden right arm that he has to come out with a victory there Levi stadium. You brought up a lot of great storylines and I'm GonNa Continue with dad theme I mean Yeah I think it's a great storyline for an Rogers going back home. Obviously they'll they'll be a lot of people that that he knows there and he's familiar with the surroundings and in general. I think it's pretty fair day for both of these teams. You know you don't have the elements set you're going to have to deal with in Green Bay and maybe that's a little unfortunate in a Lotta ways but Because that's the way I love watching growing up watching football You know when guys had the elements to deal with as well and you know. It's it's nice. Plan out in Sunny California to cause. I'm sure they're they're they're going to have a pretty similar. The data. What we've got maybe not quite as warm but it'll be a pretty nice day out there so I think the elements are less involved like they will be in Arrowhead? I mean fourteen degrees for those guys. I definitely think whether plays a factor and that and then you know again continuing with your your storyline theme. Andy Reid Man. I mean how important is it for him to win this football game you know and what does it. What does it do for his legacy? And where does it put him on that on that coaching pedestal. The titans you talk about them. What an amazing run? They've had in the postseason postseason. I mean man. They took out the New England patriots. Come on man I mean that's that's unbelievable but is it. Tom Brady and Bill Belichick with what they've have done. And the titans went into their house with Mike rebel and those guys and they just they kind of outfox two man and then you know they. They didn't they didn't let it stop. They they continued it the following week and they outdid themselves man. They went to Baltimore and they said. We're GONNA take Lamar Jackson every P in this this unbelievable season that the Baltimore Ravens have had. And we're going to put that on ice toolman and now they're taking on the Kansas City chiefs who have a unbelievably leave ably prolific high powered offense man. I mean pick your poison like seriously if I'm Patrick Mahomes. I honestly feel like I'm playing the the live version of a video game. I've got tyreek Hill. I've got Travis Kelsey. I've got all these weapons at my leisure and my disposal. All I've gotTA gotTa do is give them the opportunity to go out there and do something with the ball. I mean this is a team that was down twenty four points and it didn't look like they they missed a beat. They weren't nervous man. So so ultimately. I'm wondering how do the titans go in there and unsettled the chiefs. Is it. Possible to unsettle the chiefs. Mike Wilson like seriously so. So there's so many great storylines. And how do you stop Derrick. Henry he he just runs people well over dude like you get out of this guy's way when he's coming at you and if you don't he he's GonNa take you with him and we'll we'll Ryan Tannehill. I have to make a few plays. I think ultimately man that that that's that could be the deciding factor of this game. Wilson is Brian. Tannahill hasn't really had had to do much in the post season. He's going to have to do something like it's I feel the same way about Aaron Rodgers. He was good last week. He had a couple of really nice. The big plays on third down to make it so that the packers were going to advance past the Seattle. But he's going to have to be even better against the forty nine or team that you alluded to in your opening comments. They they embarrassed. The Green Bay packers. They embarrassed Aaron Rodgers earlier in the season. So how does the packers show up. I do there are so many great storylines with these football games. Bro There really are. Yeah no there really is And you know let me let me just kind of take game at a time or if you don't mind I'm just GONNA take a look at Kansas City Tennessee in outlook and and you mentioned this earlier in in your comments there Andy Reid. I don't know if there is a more well like coach in the NFL. Andy Reid and to me and I and I mentioned this on our our local show Friday that to me Andy Reid. Aw already a hall of fame coach getting that Super Bowl trophy is just the feather on the cap for at all for anybody. That would think that Andy Reid is not a super bowl or excuse me a hall of fame coach and the Bevy of weapons. Patrick Mahomes has at his disposal also just sick and the way that Andy Reid orchestrates this This offense and the calls that he makes and what he wants to do you know he in calls one play to set up play that maybe three plays down down the chart it 'cause and he's one of those guys Kinda goes by script you know he he scripts probably the first fifteen to twenty plays and then he kind of adjust what he's GonNa do. They're so you know you got tired. Kill you got patched homes and makes no look passes inside arm throws act. You'll probably throw it reversed out from underneath is underneath his legs so there's a lot going on there but we'll get back to that unsure later in the hour absolutely well. We'll continue break down these games. That are only a few hours away obviously again. I won one. Oh five five. PM Our time and then the second game four forty PM. Our time here in the Valley of the Sun all right we gotta take a quick pause for the cause we'll come back and we'll continue breaking down the AFC and the NFC championship. Sunday games. Man Tennessee Titans and the Kansas City chiefs and the packers the forty niners. He's Mike Wilson on Mandy Dwarf. It is the door fonts sports. We gave addition hang tight. We'll be right back. mahomes is in the gun. Moving from left to right arms ponds outstretched shotgun snap fakes. The hand back three wine dry throw in the back of the end zone. 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Everybody is championship leak Sunday here in the NFL. Place Playoffs are going unbelievable. Unbelievable Games have been happening. Wild card weekend was awesome. The Divisional Rama's awesome and I expect championship weekend to be really really interesting being in. Hopefully we get just as good games. Mike Wilson obviously the titans. Ron has been impressive. The chiefs what they did come back from twenty four points down and their last football all game to get themselves in this opportunity The packers Nice victory over the seahawks and they did it with the defense for the most part the forty niners. They did it with their defense all season long. Something's GonNa have to give in this football game. I'm excited man. I really am and the I game. Titans and chiefs obviously again a little bit after one o'clock our time and the real big question here is how do you slow down Derrick Henry and what he can do the ball running the football for that team and make Ryan Tannehill after. Go out there and make some plays. I do like the Tennessee. Titans defense a lot Mike Mike but if you're going to have to play Patrick Mahomes and those Bevy of options that he has on offense for four quarters. I do think it's tough I do. I think they're going to have to look out and watch for being a little too tired. Late in the ballgame were tyreek Hill is known for breaking out and busting a big play late in the ball the game so I think you just gotTa be aware of the surroundings. Obviously it's the biggest game of the season for every team involved right now and everybody wants to go on and and be victorious and have the opportunity play in the Super Bowl. How do the titans go go about their business? And how do we see like Scott. Our producer producer sees the titans coming out of arrowhead victorious. How do they do that? What's the game plan for that Mike? That's a really good question because because you know we had mentioned in the last segment or at least you did. And I'm sure I did my own head but that was an on air so You know you choose your poison as it you know. What what you decide to try to shut down I with the Kansas City chiefs? If you are my able and the Tennessee titans and you can look at tyree Kelly and let the other options that my hometown has You know look at it. It is so tough to beat a team game twice in a year. I believe they play early in the year. And the Titans May Have come away victorious with that but with that being I said I I don't know like I seriously don't know what you choose to defend first and try and shut down. I mean Oh you know wisdom common wisdom would say you know you try to shut down the run make of one dimensional board. Okay if you're GONNA shut down the Brian and yacht mahomes sitting back there in the pocket making no look passes and and scrambling and and making plays outside the pocket so I I don't know where you begin. That would be my question to you. And if you're Tennessee what do you defend I I like. How do you approach this? Look if I'm if I'm the Tennessee Titans I know I go into this game and I say I I actually say. Let's let them run the ball because that take Patrick mahomes and the Kansas City chiefs out of character From who they are. So you can figure out a way to slow down Travis. Travis Kelsey who's obese by the way had a huge game last week and then Tyreek Hill harmon. Just all these guys that they have that they he can throw at you in that passing game and I think you hit the nail on the head when you're talking about Patrick Mahomes in all the different angles that at this guy can throw at you. I think you're better off keeping this guy in the pocket to be quite honest with you. Mike like make them be a pocket passer. Don't let him get outside of the the numbers and and create space and make plays longer. You KINDA WANNA shorten things up on this guy you WanNa make the passing lanes get a little bit smaller You WanNA shorten the game a little bit and I think the battle be a real big part of this game two is. How do you control the ball on offense while you do that with Derrick Henry you let this guy run the ball and you have a good clock management you know? Make sure that. Hey if you can get a couple special teams plays again. You know they were Kansas. The city was shaky in the in the in the PUNK. Game Man they they were fumbling balls. Let them go May maybe they got the rust off a little bit. I don't know but look you're looking for any little advantage that you can get and I think you gotta be Stellar Mike. I think you have to be literally stellar in every facet of the game especially really Conference Conference Championship Week. This hey look you make a mistake here. It it gets magnified like immensely so I think back. Each team has to go out there and hone in on every single possession. I think on offense. You gotta be tight. I defense you're going to have to create some sort of havoc second special teams wise. You gotta go out there and make a play so you know what watch. Let's see special teams. Don't have a huge impact on this chiefs and Titans game. I could think and I could see where we're this if you make a mistake in the special teams look out because we saw it happened last week. Kansas City did that they were able to rebound but again. If they're behind against Tennessee and Tennessee's controlling the clock I dude I. I think it's a different situation so I do think the Kansas City very vulnerable. Today I really do know I do I I am not as far with you As as you are with yourself But there is no no denying that that Tennessee can't do all those things I think they gotta be. They gotta bring pressure they gotta get you know they gotta be nipping at Mahomes feet. You know they they gotta make him a little nervous back there a little a little As we would say happy feet in the pocket and just get him off often his game. I do agree with you. that you know. Make them run the ball. Because that's not. That's not exactly what they're known for. Right I mean when you you'd think Kansas City chiefs you think of an air raid Kinda you know throw a deep throwing in between throw it all of the field kind of often so it's GonNa be interesting and you know I I and I'm Kinda what Scott. I absolutely see Tennessee going in there and doing what they've done these first couple of weeks of the playoff control on the clock just feeding feeding that mountain of a man and you know in Derrick Henry and and and Henry Run for one hundred and eighty yards. I mean look the Chiefs Defensive Offensive End K. He was asked Clark he was asked. You know about tackling Henry and what that all encompasses. And he's like. There's there's GONNA be no difficulty in tackling tackling Henry really a guy that like what six four to fifty Okay let's let's see. Do it I before he says there's no difficulty difficulty in bringing this guy down because he's he's made New England. He's made a pretty a pretty decent defense. They're both more look pretty pedestrian. Yeah I don't know if you want to give that guy any chalkboard material either The Guy's pretty hungry thus far throughout the first first couple of games setting records running the ball. So I wouldn't WanNa Piss Derrick Henry off and I I I would do it like this man I I would make Ryan Tannehill beat me okay. Flat out man. That obviously hasn't done it in his career. He's been a journeyman. We know that he's been all over the place Miami. Now he's here with these guys and quite frankly they've jumped on his his back and they've done a great job again. I go back to that. One play that he had throughout the year. Early where where he threw the interception. I believe it was against the Jaguars I I was trying to remember which game it was and I think it was against the jaguars he throws an interception. The guys running the ball back and he he decides you know what I'm GonNa go make a play and I'm GonNa not let this guy score a touchdown and that that to me was the turning point for the titans where they said you know what I believe in Ryan Tannehill and you know what this sky's the guy who's going to get us to the next level and he's done a great job and we'll see if it continues with the chiefs later on today. Obviously at Arrowhead Stadium Eighty in Kansas City Missouri. where I think it's it's it's a real tough daunting task for the titans but they do have the formula like I've been saying throughout the postseason Mike to get it done when you have a running game like they have a defense like they have what I do? Think their defense is going to be put on islands. Silence all over the place and I think that those guys are going to have to come up and make some plays And they're gonNA have to do it in single coverage too so it'll be man on man. Can you give me your best. I got my best. Let's just go out there and lace them up and see who's got what it takes to get to the next to the next round and see who's going to be playing the Super Bowl. I guess that's what it's all about and when you really think about it that's what Championships Sundays. All about. And the titans and the chiefs have the opportunity and the packers and the forty forty niners have the opportunity. People unbelievable three games left in the season. I can't even believe it. All right. We gotta take a quick pause for the cause. We'll come back. We'll obviously give you our thoughts and give you our pixes who we think's winning the Games but NFL football coming to an end. I can't believe it. He's Mike Wilson. I'm Eddie Dwarf. 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Seven zero nine forty forty four zero nine each of New Sunday. Amanda Brand New Challenge rich with new opportunities a time for achievement time purpose time glory. It's like Mayfield. Wants to go. Four wide split everybody out separates US forty nine hundred shoved aside and RPO fakes the hand off. Got Him around the waist. He throws stepdaddy I Richard Sherman dropping back into coverage at midfield gets up. Breaks a tackle. Oh crunch back in the Cleveland territory. Dropped on the brown forty one yard line Rogers. Quick snap penalty marker down free down for Rogers. He lost right side of the end zone. I knew a Roger someone with a shotgun Zimbabweans to the white privilege sabres Jimmy brand slot right sidestep rogers looking humpbacks now still working under brexit was it is it is in two thousand or listening to door phone sports here on your favorite. Ah Now here's welcome back. Everybody Championship week Sunday in the NFL. Packers and forty niners going at it in the NFC titans chiefs going at it in the AFC and we've talked a lot about the titans and chief so far so let's switch over and let's talk some packers and forty niners. Obviously Mike You alluded to it. Everybody knows it. Packers went to WHO San Francisco earlier. I'm sorry Santa Clara earlier in the season and you know what Levi stadium wasn't so good to the Green Bay packers. They got destroyed. Roy got embarrassed. One of the worst games that I've ever seen earned Aaron Rodgers Playing so I expect. Obviously I really expect him to come out and playing being a much better game. I think it's important for the packers to get out early in this game. Mike they have to be able to move the ball down the field on this forty nine or defense right away otherwise otherwise. I do think that they're going to be playing catch up. And I think that that's kind of the theme for every team when you really think about it. Some are better equipped to play catch up like the chiefs for instance. They're they're a team. That can play catch up. I think the packers have a harder time playing catch up. I think the forty niners could have a tougher time playing catch up and I also think that looking at two very good defense as to who really good front fours you got the Smith and Smith brothers. Obviously they're not. But the Smith Smith his law firm They're in Green Bay their front four for those guys. You Got Bosa the boys on the defensive side of the ball for the forty niners and that front front for both really really good and and I've said this so many times man and I think it's true in both of these games this the Games are going to be one in the trenches. Whoever's Orion is pushing the other line backwards that's who's going to get the advantage that competitive advantage in this game and that's GonNa wind up winning the game for their respective effective teams so green bay packers need to continue to have a solid defensive showing and I think Aaron Rodgers has to be great today? Mike Nelson Yeah. No I absolutely agree. Aaron Rodgers has to be Aaron Rodgers of like seven or eight years ago. He asked to because he's he's been he's been good. Would you say Aaron Rodgers has been good this year But not great would would. Would you say that any. I would say that for most people. This guy's been good to really good but we're talking about Aaron Rodgers and we put put a different level of success or different measure of success on what Aaron Rodgers does so. I think people are a little bit down down on him. And here's the thing man. Let me just say this. Do I think Aaron Rodgers is the same guy that won a super bowl mill. I don't Mike I really don't joy think think Aaron Rodgers has the ability to turn the clock back a little bit. Yes because I saw him do it a little bit last week can can he do it even a little bit more. So this week will i. I certainly hope so. Because that's what the packers are going to need man again. They need this guy to be great today. They need this guy to make the throws that that have been a little bit dicey throughout the season and for the most part the past couple seasons he's missing is a little bit here and there so we need this due to be on point today Mike he has to be special. He has to be that guy he has to be. You know what I'm GonNa go for broke. He has to be that man right. He has has to be that guy today. He's gotTa go into Santa Clara California and he has to say you know what I'm going to go and I'm GonNa do what I do and I can be see that bad man once again. I am one of the elite quarterbacks every play this game my name is Aaron Rodgers. And I'M GONNA go out there and do it for the Green Bay packers. That's what he's got to say. Mike no no. I'll just hit the Ditto Biden with what you just said. You know you brought up a good point a little while ago about You know who's going to move on to the Super Bowl Day is GonNa win the battle in the trenches the valve between the offensive line and defensive blind. Who's he's going to impose their will on the other on the other team? And you know the the thing with the San Francisco Forty niners and the Green Bay Day is what I'll be looking at is is that how does that offensive line for the pack. He Bosa and his buddies Out of the Backfield Of the Green Bay packers and can and Kim. Those guards and tackles both anybody's You know at bay you know or at. Ah You know where the lack of a better term. Just you know. Maybe a Saturday. They've just given up a sack or two and not giving up five or six like they've been the first. Uh You know in the first meeting because you know at some point that defensive line is going to get there. They're they're going to try. And make Rogers and this is a difficult difficult task is. He's such a brilliant quarterback. You know feel a little uneasy back there and yes you can make the great ones feel uneasy Back there but that's when I looked at Green Bay trying to get that ball out quick and not let that defensive line from San Francisco setup put their pin their ears. Here's back in get right to it. Yeah I mean look at this point man. Look I think at this point. Everybody knows what everybody wants to do. Now it's a matter of you know being able to disguise it or manipulate the defense in the way that you need to be able to manipulate them to go out there and carry out the play. The way that the play is designed to be carried out again I am using a lot of big terminology and fancy words for your vote. But the truth is I dissect this stuff man and we look at this in a much much different way than than most people when I go to gains and you go to games now. We're seeing the field in a much different way. And I think we see the field in in a way where you know. Athletes or coaches. See it or people that that are that are really in tune with what they're seeing on the field. See the game and.

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But they're not sexual organs and So that's why they're not. Prohibited in New Hampshire for instance is prohibited to show your genitals in leveling and there's an interesting argument argument that that means that men cannot be bottomless but women can because female genitals are internal not external. I don't think anyone's ever challenged that particular thing. But what about singular genital good point So the the real question here is why do we have public property to begin with and this is an issue. We haven't really addressed in this whole conversation is what we are really talking about. Here is the constant struggle between people people who have different beliefs systems. There's the prudish types are like my children can't see that and then there's the potential again. What's the big deal? It's just breasts. We all have them. It's it just nipples. We all have them no big deal. This is A. There's a large gulf between these two viewpoints. and honestly they probably shouldn't be on the same beach together together. So you know the problem. is we have public beaches which are owned in supposedly in common the government. These people calling themselves the state eight or the city or whatever they control this property and they purportedly they purport to allow everyone on it. Well that means that those people are going to fight over what the rules ought to be. Oh well we should have toplessness. We shouldn't well. We should have glass bottles. We shouldn't well we. Should you know. There's this constant oh we should have animals divide a cleavage if you will in between all of the ass chat yes and And the solution here is not to let them fight it out forever because they constantly will write a little one side will gain control of the city council and they'll put things their way and then the other side will fight to get get the control back. No put things back their way and yeah. That's a popular misconception. That public means owned by everybody. Everybody it doesn't public means government. Public Parks our government parks. The public works is government work but it does make people feel like they have a say in and how those things are run and they can have a say by lobbying politicians or becoming politicians and trying to pass laws and things like that when the solution here is simple. Well it's to get rid of public property and to make it so beaches or private. You WanNa have your wholesome family friendly religious beach each where people can go and study the Bible without being disturbed by a pair breasts. Well you ought to be able to have that go by a beach. There's certainly plenty of megachurches that have have plenty of money. It's not like they couldn't afford to have a Christian beach manner that And you know for the Progressive Group that wants to have full nudity or partial actual nudity or whatever level. They're comfortable with on their beach. Let him raise money. You know. Go down the food co-op and start collecting some Some extra change or whatever and buy by their own beach but he and what about national parks sell those off to and let those things be run by people another us. That doesn't mean what do you think it means it also means government. Let them be run by people who are satisfying a certain segment of their customers out there. Whatever that might be and that would solve all these problems pinkas then the the mothers who are so worried about their children's seeing You know breasts or whatever could make sure their kids don't go to be two things are allowed and let's say somebody did on a a large swath of private beach right. They could voluntarily open it up to everybody and they're just allow whatever to go up. So that's right. What you're saying makes a sense because then people would at least have some foreknowledge not to be confused with foreplay of the thing that they're going to and what's allowed and what's not and they can to make a choice rather than just fighting with everybody? Let's go to your calls and thoughts here. We've got Karl. He's in Atlanta listening to. I should say Atlanta Texas listening to Katie. Had Karl Yeah you you speak quite a bit about ordinances in the United States. I don't you make any mention about about the Muslim countries or communist China. That's a great question. I mean there's definitely more repression going on in other parts of the world and I have to wonder if some of these people who wanna see women covering up their nipples in the United States would also like to see them covering up other parts of their bodies face. What do you think Karl? Well I you know there. There's you know I hear on the stationers much criticism about the the government and people's ordinances and whatnot but I you might know mansion and leave us if you smoke about Europe also make no mention of Muslim countries. Repeating yourself now a second time I asked you you a question or I brought something else up crawl so we already just address that we acknowledged that these other countries are more repressive. Would you like to see the United States. It's become more like them. Oh no no talk okay good so do you support topless freedom or you against it. I don't Look I. I don't have any problem with women's breasts rates out of ended. Okay good who are on the same page then. was there anything anything else you wanted to share tonight. All right. Hey thanks for the call tonight. Carl I appreciate it. I don't think that this the United States should be more like China where pornography is completely banned. It's prohibited there to the caller's point there. Are you know certain things in the United States where perhaps we enjoy some additional additional civil liberties that other countries do not enjoy. And you know that's okay but it's just like it's a degree of your oppression right. Yeah well and I. You can't sit on the radio seven nights a week or five or whatever nights however remained nighttime on and complain about how bad things are in China. I don't live there right. Okay I know. Things are bad in China and we have talked about some of those. Yes it actually I particularly China with the protests has been covered on this show. We covered the Hong Kong long protests. We've covered the WHITACRE's who are being. The Muslim Leaguers in China in northwest China and western China are being put into the reeducation camps We've covered that we cut are being sold into Involuntary organ donation. Yeah we've covered all kinds of things. 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M.. We'll talk to you about whatever's on your mind although tonight. The the overarching topic has been toplessness. And the prohibitions on women being topless when men totally fine no problem let it hang out guys totally fine. Everything's okay world's not going to come to a close but oh my God if a woman takes her Her top often to hide the children. It's a bit of a double d standard. It sure is and we've heard from surprisingly the majority supermajority of calls tonight have been against women being able to be topless ridiculous uh-huh and and actually Campbellton. WE'RE GONNA get back to our calls here in a moment. A Camel Toe In our chat room. That's his name in the discord chat said earlier about about twenty minutes ago. He's a half hour ago he said how are most people libertarian. When they're this prudish he says L. O.? L. GotTa have laws for that. It's the common argument. Says Camel Toe. Most most people are Libertarian. They just haven't been exposed to it yet. He says I've been hearing that for eighteen years. And I think that I probably have said something similar to that in the past but but I don't I wouldn't say that it's it's true. That their libertarian. Necessarily well it's more about that phrase as more about when somebody comes to terms with what libertarian is is then they have that feeling you know. Oh I've been this way all along and I think that where that is for a lot of people is when they don't know what libertarianism is the idea of nonaggression the idea of it. So it's not okay to use violence to or the threat of violence to achieve your goals in life. Whatever that might be you know getting people to act a certain way or people? Don't take way. Yeah that's the basic rules and most people when when you know when they hear it that way. Yeah Yeah I agree with that and most people do but when you start getting into these sort of subtleties of other people's rights that's where it kind of washes washes away because people don't have that principle for other people what people do seem to have and again we're speaking generally this isn't true of everybody but there's a large the number of people out there who yeah. I like freedom for me right I can be free. I ought to be free. My business ought to be unregulated related. My business should have no you know taxes. I shouldn't have to pay taxes and I agree you shouldn't and there should not be those things but then when it comes to those other people weird guy down the street while he wouldn't help his neighbors and so therefore we need to force money out of him to pay for the roads or that business across town while they're ripping people off and we need to have government. Remit regulation is to make sure that they you know are good business people and so they're inconsistent. People want to be free. I think that's true for a lot of people not true for everybody. Want to be told what to do. But there's a lot of people that do WANNA be free but they don't want their neighbors to be free you and that's why they're not really freedom. Friendly people don't understand it. You have to be consistent in the principal. And I think that's the major difference between somebody like myself and the majority of will say the United States of America is that I do love freedom and I want all of the the freedom that I can possibly get I however realize that in order for me to have that much freedom. I also must heavily advocate for everybody else to have the same amount of freedom. That's right more that's right. I think it's Dr Mary Robert and her book man where she talks about. How if you want others to be controlled that you will find yourself offbeat controlled That you will find that those other people are going to try to control you back and or some control frequent or whatever and so you have to let go. You have to you become tolerant or allowing of other people to do the things that you wouldn't necessarily do if you had. You may know how to run your life best and you may think you we know how other people should run their lives. But it's not okay for you to force those people to do those things and so when you really become a libertarian is when you finally not only embrace is your own freedom and your own desire to be free if that's what you have again if you WanNa be told what to do. There's plenty of people who you can hire to do that But you know when you finally say I want to be free and you come to that That moment of saying oh well. Maybe I should stop advocating that. Other people should be restricted. If I myself would like to be free. And that's really the key key to it. I think that's what most people who maybe have. That seed of libertarianism are missing out on Let's go back to your calls and thoughts here. Vern are skewed actual. Let's go to Tim Him. He's in Michigan listening. W Z. And I believe I'll peanut go ahead tim on. FM Naaman Ish. I endorse lender massage. So Stu you speak German. I've barely okay. I don't speak German I can. Let's have this conversation in England steeler. Go ahead I'm also an American guy to you. Know what's that mean. American people are too uptight really so you're admitting that that you are are also uptight. I'm not okay. I grew up with nature. People are in Germany. They they're not they really don't have the kind. What a hang up so people do here? Yeah so the naked people in Germany. We actually heard from another lady earlier tonight who had a similar experience where she felt totally fine. She wasn't threatened. There wasn't doesn't somebody that was like grabbing at her Dan. I was going to ask her if they served beer but apparently they swim up bar so never mind because the Germans are serving NBA replaces. They don't in America like McDonald's and crap like that what do you think it is. Tim Is it with Americans is it. Their pre puritan past. Is that where this comes from. Yeah it's it's a religious thing but nonetheless you know what you have to admit showing the nipple is. It's like an identity. Two abreast abreast really. You know it's it's Kinda strange thing about it but if make sport is most notable about a woman's body thank all over. I mean I don't know if it's the most notable on some women certainly you know depending on the the size especially large but mostly. They're fairly uniform. I would it depends on like what you're into as far as what's going to attract you so you know some some dudes are into the Hiney right You know they they enjoy the booty vision yet. Other guys are into a pretty face. You know that kind of thing. So hey it's you know they can't handle the pop down nipple or you know whatever I don't get it. They're all they're all different. That's on the individual deal with right. So if you freak out somehow because you see exposed female nipple that's on you. That's not on everybody else. That's not that's not on us. Lawmakers that's not on the police the military. You know that kind of thing. It's it's on the woman I think. Women have to have the same rights as men do around without shirts. Wifi can win a agree. Tim Great Calm and thanks for sharing hiring with us you know why did why did our board up just dump that cost. Thanks Tim I appreciate it I did. He say I didn't hear him say anything that now. Meaning the board ops just hit the dump button on Tim and I'm not sure why that was Till I'm GONNA Apologize Tim For that because that maybe did he don't us. I did say something. Well I mean the dump machine dumps everything. That's on the air. I don't think the two of US set anything. We've been flushed Toll Free number here. Tonight is eight fifty five four fifty free you brought up. Says he said if men can't why the F. can't women if that's what he said I didn't hear it at all. Okay well we're having right by me. Maybe I'm just so used to that phrase allergy or something I don't know but it didn't didn't popout to me. Thank you board up. Get it pop out so we go on. I'm trying here. Kathy has the INNUENDO has been a thick tonight. All right we continue here with Isaac. He's in Myrtle beach. WJR LISTENING TO W NFL. Going is a hollow Isaac. I hear you're on the air. Hi Yeah What I think is that used to be free for everybody right? Yes Sir Undo the reason why any man any man by that smoke freak out in my eighty people is like thing right If they recipes in kind of because you can't control sad because these women nipple you in probably oh my only confining is going to be a lot as you go you know I said everything in DC because it's been nice if Like if couple boyfriend girlfriend sitting in the Nazi the keys on The Blonde Man Robbing Larsen on that detail. Get A job we have about that one. I'll let it go on the Internet stream but I'd I'd dump that one from eight five five four fifty free everyone. Eight fifty five or fifty free freetalklive. talkline yeah does your dog. It's scratched stinker. Shed like crazy. Come to Donovan for help or Ninety Day supply of dinovite everything. We tried failed except the dinovite pickup two bottles of Supromega fish oil. Get the third bottle free packed with Omega Three. Dha and EPA fatty acids. 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Out of the New Hampshire Supreme Court which the New Hampshire Supreme Court ruled three two two that no. It's no problem having this law that completely only criminalizes one thing for women to do but completely league makes it legal for men to do. That's not a problem. It's not discriminatory in any way shape. It's messed up too. Because they they talk to citizens and say things like Ignorance of the law is no excuse. And then the law gets presented to them and We'll just ignore it so we go to while they are the law right but they're ignoring snoring. An obvious double obvious right. It's just prudishness. The only thing that could possibly make them make this decision right and again it was three thirty two so it was close so one change out on the on the court and that could reversing goes three to two in the other direction Supreme Court. I don't think so yeah the US Supreme Court and that didn't want to hear that ignore it. We continue with your calls and thoughts. Let's go to Sheila in Kentucky Sheila. You're you're on free talk live you call them for Bowling Green Tonight Sheila. Yeah I am welcome. You're on free talk. Live and let me ask you a a question. Do you consider they human being to be the intelligent heart a World well I would say that humans overall are probably the more intelligent species on the planet although dolphins dolphins arguably eh fairly intellectual and maybe some chimpanzees I mean you know we don't really have easy ways to measure the intellect of other animals because they can't as easily communicate not sure but I think we would sit on the search made the intelligent part of the being the world and that no a woman shouldn't just walk around topless because some people see the the rest forming purely a sexual thing. It's not a thing where she can also breast-feed Church piles so wait. So a woman should be threatened with jail because some people might consider it sexual to walk around topless. Okay okay. You don't have a great cell phone connection here tonight So what you're saying. Is that because some people will consider a woman walking around topless as sexual that should make it so. The woman is threatened with jail for doing such a thing. Well what do you think they're gonNA play on the woman the gun You're not allies. Is it your job to try to protect women from men making plays on them. If a woman is wanting to make the decision to go around okay. Do you ever finish my site I I. It's not it's not but the point is is that should not be running around like that in front of children the children okay so at first you were saying it was because men would think a certain thing now. It's about the children I I. It's not about what is going to happen to the children. What exactly are the children at risk of off if they see some nipples in public pay? Perverts you've gotta be kidding me you're going to grow up to be right all the time. Hell they are not burdened. What kind of world you live in but there are not people being raped? All of the time. I don't recall the last time I heard a rape allegation in the city where I live if if there are people being raped all the time. they're being raped in federal facilities facilities or otherwise government run facilities. Yeah I I mean. This lady is literally saying that if women are allowed to walk around as men are allowed to walk around the that is to essay topless. That men are just going to start raping these men. Have all these rapists tendencies. But they've been holding them back captain. They've been holding them back because they haven't seen a pair of nipples in public but as soon as they see it I go start raping. I wish her connection was better. I would like to know how she explains. The people who did grow up with never seeing nipples is exposed in public also became pervert. Thank you thank you for the call Sheila I really I appreciate hearing from you. The toll free number here and camel toe in the chat room. Says is this woman using a says. I mean don't get me wrong. I like a southern woman and I like the southern accent but she was just a little bit out there as far as her opinion. Is this lady qualcomm. Phone from Nineteen ninety-six the toll free number eight fifty four fifty free like freedom as we continue. You can bring up what you want. Mortified Penguin is on our discord lines. go ahead penguin those that know no me no me. We're probably one of the last people that are going to advocate For Women going around topless. You're a Muslim archers yes I am practicing Muslim and but that's not really the libertarian position. Here I mean it's not whether we have a law. Saint thank people can people. Can People. People can largely in New Hampshire and most people. Don't that's right first of all. Is that generally ninety. Nine point nine nine percent of people do not do this but more importantly like state is a monopoly on the use of violence in a given landmasses not a community earner granite group of people who have effects on each other and social relationships. And I think they can figure out when to and not to wear clothes without kind of stepping on each other's toes. Well let's say I'm in I mean the winds up in Lancaster wherever and somebody in a place in and you know jurisdiction in his New Hampshire somewhere else is going to top was over enforcement that whatever. I'm I almost show me. We'll never know that happened What if they're in the woods with you in Lancaster? I'm sorry what if the person is in the same woods with you in Lancaster if they're within your vision well if they're within my vision. Yeah I mean are are the questions matter of property in matter of your all on a campground together. Well I guess that's where I sign up for be for being the same Campground we have. We have association. Can't going go to it and bring it back to choice right if you subscribe to a religion. That says it's not cool for you to look at a woman's face a woman's body are the specific part. Then that's on you you you're like Oh that's against my religion I should turn away or otherwise not. It'd be present right but you wouldn't want as a libertarian. Thank you for the call penguin appreciate it. You wouldn't want to force your religious view on other people and you know. I don't think God would want you to to do that either. We're coming up. Three next generation wallet is coming from Divvy. In just a few taps you'll be able to send earn spend an exchange digital money seconds seconds. Send money around the globe with only swipe instantly exchange between divvy bitcoin Fiat right in the mobile APP and withdrawal directly to your bank account divvy. We already offers the first one tap solution for earning passive income with Crypto multi-tiered. 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It's hard for anyone to no with true certainty how the tides will play out under any administration for the onion. I'm Elisa. Hey it is the onion news network. This is the most recent episode of Free Talk Live presented by Seiko Cei- get get interactive at Freetalklive Dot Com. Free Talk Live dial toll free bring up whatever you want numbers eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four or five zero 373 three with tonight. It's Ian that rabbit has stolen the X R F spectrometer. Wow that is a obscure reference. Sorry yeah that's my Martian referencing. Where is the boom something better is supposed to be an earth shattering? Keb Boom referencing. Something about Out Gold Detection. I think in the cartoon it's like that rabbit has stolen the thirty five. Yeah that's about right. I referenced. The Ex irs spectrometer that traumatized because it came up in conversation about gold banks. Yeah Yeah we talked about gold backs by the way they Gold Nak people noticed a bump in people signing up after the gold back. That's awesome. Did you guys hear that you listeners. Right we said something and you guys went and did a thing and it was awesome. Yeah that's pretty cool But that's because it's it's a pretty cool thing. It's not like people will do things we say. Sorry I'm I'm captain kick ass by the way I never did say that's right and so you can bring up anything anything you want. You know. We just had mortified penguin on the line. And we're GONNA continue with more of your calls and thoughts we've been talking about toplessness and the Law Supreme Court decisions and he had pointed out and and I think he touched on this. We didn't get too deep into it but he pointed out that you know. Just because you're a libertarian. Doesn't mean you support people Being topless you can still be against so sort of like you know. Take some sort of moral perspective if that's what you believe. It is a religious or religious perspective that it's wrong to be topless whether you're a woman or a male or whatever perspective you have on it you can have your perspective but being a libertarian. Means that you will not use the violence. You won't use violence. What other other state or your own personal violence to to stop someone for doing something immoral if someone's heart hurting another person if someone's using violence and other human being yes you have the right to step in and you don't get involved in stop that from happening but if somebody's doing something to them selves then you don't and if somebody's exposing a portion of their body that you choose to to keep private you just leave them alone and that's it but you guys just WanNa Bunch of topless women walking around all the time? I know it's cold outside. I wouldn't yeah. Well I mean first of all we've already experienced the subsection of humanity that would want certain requirements on that right certain brackets brackets. If you will right it wouldn't apply to everybody right. Let's continue. We have abby normal. She's on our discord server on the call in line. Go ahead abby normal I I just wanted to say that. I think that offense is taken in the eye of the beholder older. You know I I feel like I have a thirteen year old son and I'm super with him and he is with me so you know we talk about everything not everything in detail of course. But he's very open with me and I am with him and I feel like it's important to be that way and You know we even talk about masturbation and I me simply telling him that. It's okay for him to do that so I am aware are. He's thirteen. Most I would say most boys are that in that age group are going to be around or know what that what a woman coming look like underneath their clothes. Yeah I would say that if you're thirteen years old in today's world and you haven't seen a naked lady. Your parents have not let you on the Internet it nor go over to any of your friends houses or leave the house at HBO or whatever you're probably kept in a cage in a closet. Yeah I think that's true but I anyway so I'm pretty open with him. I know not all parents can be that way but I would have absolutely no problem. I'm with him being around topless woman like not all new. I think I'll Not all nudity is not sexual and I think keep preaching about about nudity being bad. Then it's going to. I think it decreases people's self confidence and body the image that such a great point that such a great point abby about not all nudity sexual in fact a majority is not by default it is not sexual well yeah and in primitive cultures. Full nudity is accepted I. I'm sure they you know I'm sure they're fine. They're they're I'm sure they're they have the same problems. I'm sure over here. Only probably less if somebody sees sexual. It's because it's that in their head it's not. It's not that way by default. It's probably because that person has been raised in a very oppressive environment where they were taught that nudity is sexual in that. It's bad it's bad to to see a woman's genitals or to see man's genitals or or whatever to see breasts harass The the the just the sight of those things is somehow titillating and that could become true for that for that person and that could be true for that individual individual but by default. I think you were all born naked. And we don't have those beliefs at that time. So those are inculcated those beliefs. Yes Yep it's it. Well Yeah I just think if we keep doing this and putting it for it's okay for men but now for women it comes across houses of like a forbidden taboo and making it more curious and thought of as bad because of the conditioning. Of course if you don't Z.. Close Your eyes. Look look the other way. Where whereabouts over your head you know? It's it's not hard to avoid it if you do not want to be ruined it. I'm I'm really glad that your son has a mom who's a little more wide open about it. Thanks for the call tonight. Abby appreciate hearing from you got some really great lady calls on this topic my my mom's wide open and we've also had some really You know prudish females calling. Tonight's we've had the whole gamut. Let's continue with your calls and thoughts here. Jesse is on the line in Virginia. Going to change up the topic here a little bit. Jesse go ahead. What's on your mind? Yeah I'm just Kind of concerned about the Virginia governor clearing state of emergency around the gun. Lobbying Day yeah twentieth I heard about this. I heard about that. Yeah there's going to be like a massive protest apparently in Richmond Virginia on Monday. Yeah yeah yeah that's correct it's it's GONNA BE G. O.. A. And gun owners have been. Yeah going to America and the I'm assuming owning everybody. Protesting is going to be armed. They're they're prohibiting that having that actually they've abolished in past years in past years. It's always been armed but This year they're declaring a state of emergency because the governor in his own words He's like scared of like imminent imminent violence from you. Know white white nationalist supposedly have arrested. Some Nazis There was a story about that. And so they're drumming up this thing to be probably way more scary than it actually would be. And they're they're trying to make get sound like the gun. Activists are all a bunch of Nazis which is false and the gun. Activists are dangerous which is false. It's the government gang that's dangerous. They're the ones who are prohibiting weapons. And if there's going to be somebody who fires it if there's going to be somebody who fires at somebody on Monday I bet you it's going to be a government agent in firing on somebody in the crowd and they'll use an excuse like I thought I saw a gun or he was looking scary. I was in fear for my life. I thought he had a got his hand when it was actually a cell phone or something and I'd like to point out that when something like this happens when there is going to be an armed protest and some government goon decides decides. Oh we're going to forbid guns from this protest that means that the government is scared and governments should fear their people they should not. The people should not be afraid of their governments. Government should be afraid of their people. Are you going by the way Jesse on Monday. You're going to be attending this. I will not be attending this I am I can't Aleve. I currently live with my parents and I myself what does it mean to move out. I'll definitely yeah. It doesn't mean that that's correct but I'm just that's that's why there's a lot of serious going around Better just better crazy pretty crazy that I as right yeah. I'm a nonviolent Guy Right. I don't think that violence is the way to serve solve the problems that the idea of government presents to humanity But at the same time there is one tried and true method that has worked historically to enact change within governments. And that's by all of the people who are under a government showing up at the government's door and not leaving until they get their way. I don't think that's going to happen on Monday. Thank you Jesse for the call tonight tonight. I appreciate it but we'll see time will tell and if you're there in Virginia and you tend the protests feel free to call in you live through it report. Feel free to call in on Monday night and let us know fact Captain Kick Ass. You'll be on that and I will come up. 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So it's not coming right up but it's time to start thinking about it. It's time to start market on your calendar and maybe call Rogers Campground and go ahead and reserve your camping your RV side or your motel room. Whatever you feel like reserving their for fork fast which is a decentralized libertarian camping the festival and what does it mean to be a decentralized festival that means that there's no charge that means that there's no board of directors? There's no organizers. There's no ticket prices. All you gotTa do is just the campsite and then set up your tent or whatever set up your RV and half fun Hanging out with other people technically mcleay toplessness is not prohibited. You could be topless. I don't think I've seen female toplessness at fork fast. There has been some of the PORCUPINE and Freedom Festival. Which is the festival from which fork fest forked off of but there was controversy over that when that happened there were There was a topless lady one or two years. I think a couple different ladies new There was one guy who wore a loincloth and that really upsets. Some of them were see. Where families did anybody freak some square families freaked out about that. But I mean the did the the nipples that were exposed because anybody any harm. Oh I mean from our perspective. No of course. Not But from the perspective of the the prude than they believed that yes harm was caused. I mean we heard their calls earlier tonight where they even. There's evidence for two different things. Well that's true true so if you WanNa join the fun of fork fast go to Fort fessed up party to learn more about the event again. There's no tickets so you just gotTa just plan to be there and and if you want to plan something for the people who were there to do you can do that too. So like are the guys from any pay put up a really big dome last time. They threw some exclusive parties there Some people got mad at them because they were exclusive parties. But it's their dome. They can do what they want with it Some people had a completely open tent where anybody was allowed to come in and hang out. There was the expo There were a bunch of people who were doing food cooking that actually everybody. WHO's cooking food at Fort Fast? Last year accepted CRYPTO CRYPTO currency which was super cool so join the fund at Forecast Dot Party. You can also connect with the forecast chat room and forum. They're they're in it is It's it's GonNa be great it's going to be your number four and is going to encompass independence day for the very first time ever and I'm I'm pretty excited about that income and party with captain kick ass indeed and say and we don't know what everybody's GonNa Create for people to do there. I'm pretty sure all textbooks will be back so he could probably count on them to come back I heard man. Camp is probably coming back This time around as well so jay noon putting a man man camp together. He said that he's going to have some of his A Man Camp people run the man Kam this year so people that he trained at Man Kam last year will take over some of the trainings. Some additional then run man. You don't have to be a man to run man camping. You can be trained by Kim. The figurative man. Yeah there were some you know children and some women that were taken classes at Man Qasem so lots of things to do. But it's up to you to create for Fest Dot Party Mark Your Calendar. June twenty ninth until July fifth. We continue here. David is in New Mexico listening. Indicate David so spot on with my topic of how about them Nazis about pretty much all. They're pretty much universal universal. Aren't they Nazis telling you you can't Be Topless now Tony. You can't do. This can't do that. Can't do the other thing are you saying that there's some nipple not not using this world Yep Nipple not using her soup non teasing her the dip in your nichols in your soup. Nazi's and you're using the term Nazi in a more general sense The sense that somebody will tell you know it's telling you what to do or else which is really more of an authoritarian Sense it's of course. Nazi actually means National Socialist. And there's nothing particularly socialist or not socialist about topless band. There's all kinds of prudes. Who would not consider themselves socialists? Who are absolutely in favour of topless dance? I mean it's really. It's more of a status authoritarian thing than anything else right now. Nowadays Nazi means more of the soup. Nazi thing than it does the socialist thing from nineteen forties rain. Somebody somebody who correct your grammar is referred to as a grammar Nazi et Cetera and so on grammar Nazi yeah. So it's that that that that definition of Nazi is far more prevalent than the original. But so the Nazis you did. I called about tonight. This is interesting Well first of all let me add that the main problem as I see it is if you look at the way okay. The you know looks pick on we white people way Europeans from the you know I've seen you on TV. How much black person you have to be black one one drop and then you're black? That's all right anyway. I was asking you. Yeah Anyway. We're getting contract. My Point Wayne is that he crossed. The America is actually across the whole world before they the Europeans got the quote unquote civilized. I guess you could also blame that on Chinese as and whatever other cultures that that quote unquote civilized thousands or tens of thousands of years prior to The the the The say the Americans original Americans the indigenous peoples of North and South America Before they were forced to live of like The other parts of the world and they were living tribally we were all living tribal and yes. There are plenty of problems then but there were far fewer because you first of all all tribes were smaller bands of you had a tribe and then we actually had sub-tribes because you hadn't bands and clans and and whenever a group of people you know meaning. Even when he was a dozen people had a different view of how they wanted to live they could just go off into their. You know their make their own little band a biggie. Yeah Yeah it happens in religions all the time and you know what I appreciate your call tonight David. Thank you for the call. We've got a different Dave on the line. This one's in North Dakota Dave Dave. You're on free. Talk Live with Ian and camping kick us. Yeah I like to kill people and really. I shouldn't tell me why why why shouldn't wait. You enjoy killing people as as in you have already don't duck and don't duck and dodge and try to eat up time. GimMe a reason. Why if I like to kill people? Why shouldn't does your violating somebody else's right to life? That's your opinion. No it's not. An opinion is their opinion opinion. Hold More Weight Than Mine. What what you're saying is I have an opinion about rights? You're correct I do believe in the idea of rights because that benefits humanity and somebody who and somebody a who is a psychopath which is what you are saying you are Sir is as a murderer. Somebody who is a psychopath does not believe in the idea of rights right particularly if you enjoy it so most of us who are saying believing the idea of rights because having rights is a benefit to mankind and so when you take away. Somebody's life from them without their permission. Because mostly that's what happens when somebody gets murdered. They did not give permission for. Is there life to be taken away. You have violated that person's rights now if you disagree with the argument what you want to Filibuster. You're not GonNa let me speak your speaking taking right now okay. Why does your opinion or anybody who disagrees with me or other? There's lots of people who like to kill. All you have to do is look back through history and just look around at the cops. Why why is their opinion? Does why does their opinion not carry carry as much weight as the opinions of others because psychopaths should not be able to carry wait. Are you a psychologist are you. you qualify are you. You're the guy you're going to hear the guy making me metal assessment. I'm not you're the one who called the radio and said you like to kill people bowl so the fact you know. I'm guessing that you don't actually like to kill people and that you're just trying to make some kind of a ridiculous point to suggest that a psychopaths paths opinion should be weighed well a same as someone else to his point. The psychopath opinion does have more weight than everybody. Else's opinions look at military's bombing people. Right look politicians politicians and ordering the bonds and look at Again you follow my God Dave. You're or you're answering your questions Dave. Here's what I'd like to. Here's what I'd like you to do. You called we got your call in here right at the end of the show. Were almost out of time. I'm sure you're GONNA accuse us. I'm sure you'RE GONNA accuse us of fixing the clock a- as well but the fact is so I'd like to invite you to call all in tomorrow night at the very beginning of the show will we will start the show with your call. Dave you call it seven. PM Eastern time and we will have you on. Aw and you can talk about why psychopaths matter. Okay thanks for the call. We'll see tomorrow online. In the meantime you can join us over and Free Talk Live Dot Com and L. Captain kick-ass asked dot com for more of him piece. Are you able to set your own schedule. Where player sleep whenever you want seven days a week? 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And so matter of fact and it's funny because nobody like they don't expect it from you because well for a few reasons but I mean ah lot of a lot of people. Don't come as a complete package that you are right where you are absolutely brilliant on every level but then also you're just you're you're let's say you're stunning and you're also very sweet and you just have like this. You know very very empathetic affect to you but then like if somebody says something that you just knows it was pure bullshit. I mean you run that sort through it so fast in and it. It's amazing to watch but I have to choose my moments you know while you're you're you're a master astor strategist I mean you really are so but anyway Song I'm I'm very intrigued to hear or to say this when you do get to research things I mean then you just come Matt and I mean I've seen you I mean hell you shut me down many a time where you're just like. Yeah you got it when you're right so so this thing to get into but but I was intrigued when I read about this and basically it's well here's the headline Buckminster Fuller's die maxine sleep plan and he slept two hours a day for two years and felt quote vigorous and alert and quote. So that's his claim Let me read a little bit about it. One potential essential drawback of genius it seems as restlessness a mind perpetually on the move elmwood you agree with that you you you kind of take a little while to fall asleep don't you because you're just thinking about things Yes and I wouldn't contribute that so much like intelligence but maybe a habit of overthinking ruminating ruminating in those are not things that are helpful and I think anybody could do that. Regardless of how intelligent or not intelligent they are sure so I suppose maybe there is. It might seem like a drawback to some people like these genius characters have so many ideas and they don't have time to the film all of them in their lifetime but to them it's probably the most thrilling existence that they could experience right right. Now it's fair to say I mean reading reading a story. Of course this is what makes many celebrated thinkers and artists so productive that in the extra hours some gained by sacrificing sleep voltaire reportedly drank up to fifty cups of coffee a day and seems to suffer no particularly ill effects. Wow sounds like me. Sentences next BALZAC did the same indicted fifty one. I think this is a bit of foreshadowing for this whole story but let's continue sure all right so anyway. The caffeine may have had something nothing to do with it. Will Socrates and Samuel Johnson believe that sleep is wasted. Time and quote so for years has has thought grey-haired Richard Buckminster Fuller Futuristic if you terrific inventor of the democracy in house the maxine Carr in the Mexican Globe end quote wrote Time magazine in Nineteen Forty three engineer and visionary fuller intended did his die maxine brand to relish revolutionize every aspect of human life or in the now slightly dated parlance obsession with all things hacking. He engineered a series of radical life hacks giving his views on sleep that seeming that seemingly essential activity also received a die maxine upgrade Anyway they explain where the word die. Maxine came from but it's basically just like putting dynamic maximum attention all together into one word and he would use this as marketing like. There's an axiom car. There's the democracy in house used it for everything because he just thought it sounded so futuristic and cool I agree I think it's a great word it is for for sure I just want to go back to the the part that you're just reading where Socrates and Buckminster Fuller were saying like sleep is a waste of time So I I really take issue with that because For for ever for as long as humans have been around them always wondered what happens when you sleep. Why do people sleep? It's a mysterious time when you lose consciousness and like images and thoughts come to you in really distorted Non Realistic Ways. So like what's going on during that time and I mean around. Buckminster Fuller's Fuller's time people were starting to figure out. Oh this is what happens when you sleep. You know there's Ram and non Ram and maybe like we don't fully understand understand what happens during that time but certainly When you're sleeping your body is resting at the very least which for people like bodybuilders or people who are doing in lots of physical labor? That's super important short. I mean that's your the tears in the muscle fibers repairing and so on exactly right and like we know for a fact that there are certain people who will actually like die when they're deprived like anybody could die from not sleeping for like four or five five days in a row. It's it's very dangerous But I like I feel like. That's a really flippant sentence to say that like it's a total waste of time because even if you know sleep is getting the die maxine treatment. It's still present you know. Yeah Yeah and I think that well I I have some things to say on this as well and I guess I'll save them but I I agree with your sentiment. That sleep is not a waste of time In fact it should be seen as a very beautiful thing Really the I mean it's interesting that socrates would say that in ancient Greece when you figure he had all the time in the world to sleep sleep like not so much distraction but it's amazing. It appears things don't seem to change and I wonder what that has to say. I think there's something within that as well. Well well again. I think we should reference the the sentences that were placed next to each other words. You Know Voltaire Hairdressing Fifty Cups of coffee and was fine but this other guy tried that and died at the age of fifty four. Yeah well I mean and there might have been a bit of a divine hand with Voltaire. I think I think God needs voltaire to like live really long time. So that Voltaire disprove that got exists. I know that sounds paradoxical but not well anyway boy. There's a larger point that I WANNA get to but I really want to get through the article first before we discuss. Let's say I like sleep is never a waste of time. No no and I totally agree that we need more lots more. We don't get it but anyway let's let's let's let's see what what what Buckminster Fuller had say on the matter So Fuller Time reported reason. That man has a primary store of energy quickly replenished and a secondary reserve zurve or second wind that takes longer to restore. He hypothesized that we could that we need less sleep are we would need less sleep if we stopped to take it. NAP at the first signed signed fatigue fuller train themselves to do just that for going the typical eight hours more or less most of us get per night he found as have many artists and researchers over the years that after a half hour nap. He was completely refreshed Naps every six hours allowed him to shrink his total sleep per twenty four hour period to two hours. I did. He'd you'd like the Fifties mad scientists become tragic victim of his own experiment. No danger of merging him with a fly or turning him invisible The experiments failure may have meant a day in in bed. Catching up on law sleep instead. Fuller kept it up for two full years. Nineteen thirty two and nineteen thirty-three. And so this is being done in the thirties. in reported feeling and in the most vigorous alert condition that I have ever enjoyed and quote. He might of slept two hours a day in thirty minute. Increments indefinitely time suggests but found that his business associates Insisted on sleeping like other men and quote and wouldn't adapt to his eccentric Schedule though some not for lack of trying and his Anyway I can personally say there's a Jay Baldwin claims. I can personally attest that many of his younger colleagues and students could not keep up with them. He never seemed to tire Real does this last bit here. Research Oregon Organization looked into the sleep system and quote noted that not everyone was able to train themselves to sleep on command and quote. The course. That's a big problem right. I mean not everybody can just fall asleep when they feel fatigued Because if you lay down you might start worrying or thinking about other things than worrying right. I mean that's that's that's Kinda problem one with this. Yeah I mean I know from my own experience. It takes me at least half hour to fall asleep if I'm taking a nap or even just going to I bet at night and not particularly exhausted but there is a really important quote in the middle of the paragraph that we skipped where he was talking about. How how he could fall asleep so quickly that it almost seemed like he was having a seizure like he could just switch his brain off like that your train themselves so a Acutely that he was able to just fall asleep instantly and that is something that I've noted in certain people in my life throughout time and I'm totally jealous. I wish I could yes. That's kind of a key to slow right right now. He's just such a unique person. There's something about about him that allows him to fall asleep instantly whenever he wants to. Yes so maybe that speaks to fuller it if he really didn't have any. I mean I think there's more to it than this but basically for fuller if he had such control over his faculties mental. Whatever that he could just turn it off you know and just go to sleep like maybe this could work for him because of that but again I personally? I think there's a little little bit more but let me read a little bit on this and that will we'll talk more about it Yeah so anyway. bucky disconcerted observers. Baldwin writes by going to sleep in thirty seconds. Yeah there it is right about the seizure Buckminster Fuller was undoubtedly an unusual human but human all the same time reported that quote most sleep. Investigators agree that the first just hours of sleep are the soundest end quote. A colgate university researcher at times covered that quote people awakened after four hours. Sleep were just as alert well-coordinated physically and resistant to fatigue unquote. As those who slept the full eight horse. At that point I think it becomes I cert- so in the military you're actually only required to get four and a half hours of sleep per night And I've had I had plenty of those nights when I was in the army where I only got four hours of sleep or so Yeah you can be alert when you get up after four hours but then you're staying. Power is a whole other conversation as compared to if you got a full eat yeah and that has to do with your ram and non rem cycles because after four hours you've completed a full cycle and the next four hours you're doing the next cycle so like if you get woken coming up a three hours your sleep. Your you haven't completed the full cycle yet. You won't be as alert. Yeah that's just what they're proving with right AAC right. I mean there is a conversation have around. Yeah because you have again full re REMM sleep non rem sleep or deep sleep and not and you. Generally I think the average Chris Person If they're lucky gets a couple hours of actual ram sleep out of that eight So you know but is Ram sleep all all you need. I think that's what they're trying to say. Is that maybe as long as you get those couple of hours of sleep. It doesn't matter about the mound not the timing of the non rugged sleep. Isn't that big of a deal But I think that's it's gotta be up to some kind of debate. I mean not because again we still don't totally understand anything with the brain is up to while we're sleeping anyway Now it so misunderstood right right. Let me read a little bit more. You're not sleep. Researchers since the forties. I have made a number of other findings of variable sleep schedules among humans citing shift. Worker sleep in the so-called by phasing pattern common and cultures with a very late bedtime and siestas in the middle of the day the success of the sleep rhythm quote contradicts. The normal idea of a monotheistic sleeping schedule and quota rights Evan Murrieta. MIT's culture shock in which all our all our time asleep is lumped into one block. That's monotheistic basic By phase sleep results six or seven hours of sleep rather than the seven to nine of the monotheistic sleepers poly phase sleeping however I was going to bring this up too but poly phase sleeping however the kind pioneered by fuller seems to genuinely result and even less needed sleep for many. It's an idea that's only become widespread within roughly the last decade Murray noted in two thousand nine he points to the rediscovery without any clear indebtedness of fuller's die maxine system by college student. Maria staved. who named her method acid Guberman in honor of Nietzsche and spread his popularity through a blog and a book Anyway so they then they go on to talk about that Poly Vases sleep is something that base is kind of the same concept as fuller did where like every couple hours or so or something like that like you sleep for twenty minutes the variable in how you set that up and I suppose it depends upon the person but it's very very similar and that is something that's kind of popular. I know Steve Gibson when I'm fairly certain. Steve Gibson to send the past that he tried it and he says no that. That doesn't work in Steve Gibson in my mind is one of those minds similar to I put put him right up there with a buckminster fuller as far as brilliance goes And he's somebody who's really into like if you go to the GR see website for Steve Gibson who to host the security security now. podcast my favorite podcasts You'll find were. Me has health tips. Alchemy he just writes about everything. It's really really impressive And he basically as long call bullshit on this but anyway poly phase sleep certainly. That's a thing that people are practicing. Now the buffets sleep. They're looking at cultures in the past and some maybe it's still today where basically you'd sleep four hours and then you in the middle of the night you'd get up for an hour or two and then you'd go back to sleep for like four more hours and then you get up and go about your day and then maybe there'd be a Siesta in there somewhere. Well that's actually that's actually been common and even Western culture. Yes in the past few hundred years like you have your I sleep and then your second sleep in somewhere in between you get up and do writing have a snack Yeah and I mean there. There are a lot of cultures to that just like taking a nap in the middle of the day. Not Necessarily doing both of your sleep cycles lumped together like in the same ten hour period. So yeah there are plenty of cultures around the world that except that is common rate But polyphonic is. I guess that's a little more unique because that's like three or more times a day you're sleeping and I think so. This is what I wanted to say earlier that I I. I've been thinking this ever since well even before I read this article but this kind of just a cemented it for me I think there's some people that just have really different brains. You know like there are some parts of sleep that we can quantify I. There are many more that we have no idea about and I think maybe for for certain special people. This is a totally acceptable way. A of living But for the majority of humanity. It's not functional. Yeah I think that's a great point to bring up kind of the individualism. Argument of this. Is that look everybody's different so people have different tolerances and what they can handle with sleep or lack of sleep just like there's people who absolutely they operate better at night than they do during the day lenders people who operate early in the morning better than they do at night you know I mean we're we're not medicine has a real problem with the one-size-fits-all mentality. Yeah that's a fact of life. I mean and that mets and tragic because elites of a whole lot of problems But I think you raise a really really great great point on that that there are maybe there are some brains who can be aware with this little bit of sleep and I mean certainly Buckminster Fuller was operating on another level. You know so go ahead and I could never train myself to fall asleep within thirty seconds. I've tried it. There's no it's going to happen But some people they just have a natural ability to do so. Well I'll tell you I can fall asleep. You drop a hat like I. I can decide and fall asleep and more or less. I can sleep through anything unless it's but here's here's the problem with that. Let me tell you what it took me. And it's not a good thing but it took me to get to that point Like I again. It goes back to the military like like when you are you know just constantly on and you know the adrenaline is constantly running. Saint a war zone of any kind or whatever Yet you learn to sleep in the weirdest positions in the weirdest places anywhere. I mean I've slept on the hottest rocks I've literally been embarrassed sleeping under under bunks like right underneath bunk on my back and I would even tell you the story I would even Because like you know on the bottom of old beds how they would have kind of the chain link those holding the yeah. That's so they'd say well you guys can't sleep and like I got fucking sleep. You know so I would get under the bed and pretend that I was making my bet because you have to do that to where you can flip the quarter on it and all that and I'd get under it make it look like I was making the bed underneath pulling everything tight by I would hook my fingers us into the chain link and I would sleep on my back like that for like a couple of hours and just try to get in more sleep. I absolutely learned but it was through point of trauma. Emma you know that I learned to fall asleep at night. Nobody should have to go through that. You know that that's one way that will make it work but perfect signal at that's beyond human human. Say nothing of you know what it means about. You know sleep Yes or no one should have to go through that. I mean just bottom line you know to be able to even to even do that I've I mean what. What what else do you have on this? Because I mean I certainly have other points to make as well but then I think that speak to not so much like individual or the fact that we're all individuals individuals and we're all different but I mean. Do you have any more on that or or any other thoughts on this. I just think that this is more evidence. What's that Understanding Sleep and why we sleep in what happens during sleep and even like how people fall asleep. This is all will assign since that his largely like it's being studied but there's still so much that has to be answered that we just don't know and I really think there's a lot there to be figured out and maybe there's people with different Gino types that you know sleep very differently from other people it could could be mutation of some kind that allowed him to sleep for two hours a day. Short short there have been those I in fact I for some reason I seem to remember a story. Where a kid Never slept like like basically never slept I don't know if that I'll have to look into that but I think there was. I'm pretty sure that was the thing that of course decades ago but But it was a problem for the parents because like this kid you know from the day is born was just always on you know. and and that's crazy. Yeah Yeah so there. Are those kinds the differences so like having a I mean it sounds like Ellen. You're basically saying the the very concept of asleep plan is an ethnic like Oh yeah. I don't think there there should be a plan. I think you should sleep when you feel like you need to sleep and sleep for as long as you feel that you need to damn skippy and I know that like the way that modern society works it's hard for people to get as much sleep Because the vast majority people need eight hours of sleep. And they're like quasi-scientific antic rules out there that say like you know if you're sleeping six hours a night or ten hours a night then you're more likely to have heart attacks when you get to the age of fifty or something because oversleeping sleeping under sleeping both a really dangerous but maybe not to everyone yet. Some research says is people have to sleep thirteen hours. Wow I mean at yeah. That's crazy sure. So but I mean. They're not GONNA go polyphonic. They're not going to do the die. maxine sleep plan. I mean they're gonNA they're GonNa die you potentially I mean yeah I mean and like I guess it's worth experimenting around with but if if you're not adapting to it within a few weeks that's definitely a sign that you shouldn't be doing that. Yeah Yeah I mean I get the idea of your living such an incredible life or there's so much you WanNa do or whatever that you don't WanNa sleep right. Yeah of course and everyone has experienced experience that at some point. They're so excited about a project and they want to keep working on it but they know they have to sleep. Yeah I mean literally I have so personally. I have so many projects that I wanNA work. I mean in El Nino veteran eight buddy the amount that I that I want to do in like I just run out of time and you've got to stop and allow your creative batteries to recharge. I mean it's not just about like your your your energy like there's so many different aspects of just have to recharge you pull away But I mean like I said when I was a teenager I remember and I told the story before on the show but I was reading the band the novelization of the nightfall comic which was really a huge comic in the nineties. And in it you find out that Batman only sleeps two hours a week a week. Yeah that was never in the comic books I would read it But but in that book like they'd try that was like wow. That's awesome like I got to try that and I tried and I tried I got to. I got to about fifty fifty hours more or less and And like I fell over in lake was salivating uncontrollably late like you just like it was dripping Donovan Mouth. Because you know I'm just slack jawed from like the lack of sleep and I slept for. I literally slept through an entire day after that Well clearly early. That wasn't for you. Yeah I mean maybe somebody could say well you can train yourself over time. You know to do a little bit more you should just gone cold Turkey with it as I say But Mill. Well you told me that even over the last few years you've been like trying to get less sleep or out of necessity of how less sleep than you felt. You should have begin working so much. Yeah Yeah and I know that I can just feel it. It's not good and I can pay attention to my body because is when you're someone that is like spent time anytime developing your body you learn you have to listen to it it forces you to listen to it But a lot of people don't enforce an are not making fun of anybody. I don't care what people do unto saying that not a lot of people really spend a lot of time working on their body and thus be able to really listen to the differences. There's no right and actually I imagined Buckminster Fuller. I mean no disrespect to the guy whatsoever but wasn't exactly physical specimen dining. Yeah Yeah so you know maybe he just. I don't know I mean because I mean another important to bring up is that there is no such thing as just the mind find. It is mind body. Those words really should never be separated. I understand why we do but really they are one. And the same and the health of one directly reflects the health care and and affects the health of the other Their end to ultimate. It's just like space time. They're not two separate things you know we we talk about them that way. Sometimes the really not so but I you know the point. I want to get to this and this might speak into our our next story the Holy Shogo forever here. I don't know if we will see what we I WANNA do. But I feel like this really is not even remotely possible today. Buckminster Fuller could pull it off in his very distraction. Lewis Nineteen Thirties. But in a world. Where you just step outside? And especially if you live in a city and you are enunciated with advertisement advertisement billboard neon-light neon-light Blah Blah. I mean or the screens that are just surrounding you fucking everywhere. I mean one thing. I can't stand at the gym like fine. I can put on a pair of headphones pop in earplugs in here. Nothing and not have to deal with with listened to you know idiots talking okay or whatever. The terrible music music being played. But I can't like there's a screens everywhere I can't I can't avoid them like the and and they they catch your eye and like I don't think our brains could even rest to the level that Buckminster Fuller even dreamed of achieving. You know because we're just again. We are so oh inundated with. I mean. This is a popular thing in silicon valley which basically means that. There's probably a little bit truth to it. But the way that they're engaging in it is bullshit and an only people that are ridiculously rich can do it. Even though they're telling everybody else that they should and it turns into a ridiculous can mouse which runs into this. Whole Problem Surrey? But the idea the of a of a what do they call it like a dopamine vacation or something like that I I forget the exact turn that they that they use like. You've never heard of this. It's a dopamine fast. That's what they call it. They say. Sorry I'm on a dopamine fast and you just you what what does that mean me. You WanNa grab the collar or somebody that talks that way. You know what I mean and it's like Whoa. What did you say to me? How Nice it is for you that you can take a break from getting dopamine queen rush you know in your life that you have the ability to disclose off the world like that for a week or a month basically? They're saying that they are trying to they. You don't WanNa take in They won't watch movies they will watch. TV shows They won't watch like the news or anything that would effectively get their blood boiling but the only like watching television or whatever that like yes like when you see colorful things on your screen or you see the thumbs up. Whatever dopamine rush but those aren't the only things that caused that will sure right but I mean I? It's an abstract term. They're using to describe this of basically getting rid of excitable elements in your life. And you're saying that's a privilege that they have absolutely is and it's double worse because the same assets who are saying they're going on a on a on. A dopamine fast are the ones that put us all up on the dopamine Russia's like they're the ones that that that that created the red notifications on facebook or or whatever or created the notifications that pop up and disturb. You even when you're trying to do something constructive on your smartphone or on your computer right. I mean it's all it's horrible but we live in to use their an actor we live in. I mean the reason. They came up with the constant dopamine faster because they're realizing very thing that I'm saying I'm not saying the wrong. I'm just saying that it's outrageous that they get to do it. And they're the ones that create the dopamine overload in the first place And so we live in a civilization. Where like your brain is your senses everything? Your mind body is functioning on turbo all the time whether you work out or you know. It's not even a question of health is just what your senses take in. You are overloaded. And so you know I. I don't think it's surprising that now even like people who are kind of on the leading edge of fitness remarked bodybuilders and other people were like. Oh yeah well I'm just I'm sleeping more and and my body's repairing itself more and that's because they're it's not so much that they're sleeping more. I think it's more that they're spending time not in this. You know in the a distraction age you know. They're not they're not spending time in in. Yeah are distraction filled civilization to not looking at their smartphone now watching TV. They're not doing whatever and I think. That's it's a lot more key to this imagined. Buckminster Fuller was so busy constantly. Creating I mean maybe this could work for him because he wasn't taking all this crap in you know and he probably probably wasn't going to the gym every day too. That's true so there's another way that he was like a burning himself out. You're needing like real energy repair right because again like we said at the beginning of this. You know the the the repair of your muscle you've torn muscle fibers. which is how you build muscle right when you're working out that's how you stay fit That is who's a key thing that happens during sleep and you need a lot of it. Yeah I mean a lot of body repairs happen while you're sleeping not just with like torn muscles but like your skin and Your like all sorts of things. Replenish themselves while your sleep So it's it's really important for that body repair and I'm amazed that he was able to get away with this for you know like I'm very happy for him because he's such a brilliant in person and has all of these goals and aspirations that he had that extra time to work on all of his ideas throughout the day. Sure I mean the saddest part of the story to me was that. He said he couldn't keep doing it because it was disturbing to people and they didn't want to help conformed like not that anybody's obliged to conform to his sleep schedule. Meant like he wasn't his sleep schedule wasn't being accepted by those around him like they weren't willing in to work with him on it. Yeah I mean it does make you wonder that said but it does make you wonder what he died a lot earlier I mean he lived up pretty full life but I mean would he have would woody of died a lot earlier going. I mean like if it was really deadly to him he would have noticed signs long before the full year had passed because because sleep. Is that critical. Like if you were to do that for even like a couple weeks and it wasn't right for you you would. You would know like the effects would build up over over time. I mean that's where this idea of sleep debt comes from you know you if you don't sleep enough one night like you sleep six hours or something and you normally sleep eight. Then you have to add add on another lake hour to the next night just to catch up so I mean like I think the effects would be obvious if it wasn't something that his body mind could work with you know but clearly he could which is so fascinating and our love to know why I mean I think everybody would love to know why like what is it about that kind of person that allows them to have that reduced sleep schedule. Let me ask you this okay. And there's I don't think I don't know that there's any right or wrong answer necessarily here and like you were saying about sleep. How we're all different? We all have different requirements. Mean mean that I think is is fact in even even medical science has gotten to the point where it just admits to that even though it has like these average recommendations right but research has been done and people except except that yeah it somewhere between people that need between six and thirteen like in fact I think I even cover that story on sovereign tech some years ago So maybe everybody's an individual individual on this and that's an important thing really really to bring up here And I don't know if we're GONNA get to our next story so we might have to have you on again next weekend. If you're open to that Alan on it would be playing all right. It'd be playing on a trilogy but let me ask you this. This desire of wanting to like. Oh there's so much more to do and I understand it. You know there's video games. I WanNa play their stories. I WANNA right. There's podcasts on record I want to and I certainly I mean I. I have a running rule of creating more than I consume like. I if I'm not doing that I'm pissed. You know like with myself and so this desire to constantly likely due more to more do more. There's so much to do Blah Blah Blah is there something inherently flawed in that like is that actually like a byproduct addict say of our more modern civilization. I mean the socrates would put the snake on that but then also he lived in very developed civilization for its time Do you think I guess what I'm asking. This is a very abstract question and very philosophical. Frankly but do you think that Pete and remaining sills off. Do you think that people will you know. Maybe we're not meant to just do that. Damn much I don't know this is a really difficult question to answer. Sure because his I like. If there's something that you want if you really want it can't be wrong so if you truly intrinsically feel that you have to create all these things to be happy with yourself to feel the you've fulfiled your purpose in life that you've determined over time or like you just feel an impulse to create these things There's nothing wrong with that but I I don't WanNa overlook the importance of quiet and laziness and restfulness and and being centered. And you know not not working all the time. I mean like obviously modern civilization has this industrialization lizzy Asian mindset. Where people feel that they have to go to their nine to five and do really well and You know if you have any goals outside of that you you only have a limited time with which to do it so of course. You're always feeling pressured to be doing something And I think that is flawed but once you take the nine to five job out of the equation like you can spend your restful time in a much more dare I say productive way. Yeah Yeah I hear that. And so in fact we have a friend and she. She said something to me the other day that I thought that was like the way she said it was just very simply brilliantly put said I hope you have nothing time this weekend and nothing meantime I was like. Yeah I like nothing time. You don't work interpret them where there's no plan and you can just you know relax and just chill you know and like there's no need to be like super productive. That's that's kind of how I how I took it so you you think that that got you take that as sort of like removing future anxiety from the equation by future anxiety. I mean like feeling anxiety about things that are coming up in the near future you that and yes it just like what needs to get done for the day. I mean I re- I think we need to have days where you wake up in. There is no plan in note. You don't have to get shit done and I feel like people. Well I mean this. This is to answer. This is such a huge. The such huge conversation really is and it actually speaks to the original star. We're GONNA talk about which is also bunk. It's Buckminster Fuller's point about in Bertrand Russell's point about like work work in the nature of work at all this. That's something really worthwhile of of discussion. But I I mean he had like for me. I'm a guy who like even the you know the work I do to make the money and all that actually cross the board is all creative and I know there's people who think that that's a beautiful thing like they're like. Oh wow how wonderful you just you get to be creative all day and Blah Blah Blah and writing. You know or do this and do that. Oh No there's nothing more tasking you know mentally to having to beat like just constantly creative constantly had okay. How do I write this? 'cause at this is there is no monkey pushes the button here. There is no You like there's so many things is that like I said this to you recently. Like I'd love to go work on a corey select. Don't have to think for for a little bit. You know like the that would be so nice to not have to be constantly creative and I feel like Buckminster Fuller would probably slapped me across the face for saying that you know because I I feel like he's a guy who is constantly really creative you know But then so I asked myself okay but then is it. Because there's so many things I want to do. Outside of all the creativity is that was giving me the anxiousness about being constantly creative. I'm GonNa give you an analogy here. Okay and this is something kind of new to me that I didn't didn't like I kind of knew but didn't really know SOM- also a game developer again more that creativity In and I know you love the video games on your your big Fan. Sure yet we go to the arcade you know all the time and everything. Back at fun spot I mean one of the largest arcades in the world I mean you have all of the classics Wchs and everything right and What's our favorite game there Well my favorite game there is a life force. Yeah that's that's our favorite game in there. I mean th th pretty much same track `field maybe I'd put up there but regardless okay so so many elements in these games that have like like the idea that you have a limited amount of guys you have points. There's a limited amount of time in the game. The difficulty level is high. All these different little little elements that you would think like the idea of having lives in a game like you know the gift three or four lives and you can get extra one ups and all that stuff like in a Mario Game Right. Those are normal for a game right. Yeah they are but they're normal because it was a way to either other create a perception of value out of the game but it's an artificial value. It's not that the game play is tight or that. The narrative is great or something like that it is a way of creating making it seem like wow I spend fifty bucks safe. He'd like a console game. I I spent fifty bucks in this game boy. I'd better get a lot of gameplay play out of it. So what do you do you up the hardness there yet the difficulty on the game If you WANNA get more quarters per if you WanNa make more money off of the coin op game at day care to go to you. Limit the amount of lives that a person has right you. Do you implement things so that we have have to spend more money right on the game and as business you know. That's that's that's how they do business. But here's the thing none of that equates. To a great game those are all artificial barriers implemented into these games with one purpose not to make a great game but to make money off you or it or you know to to make more money off of it and apply that concept this is I feel about apply that constantly to life and ask yourself how many things we've implemented that we think are just normal like no of course you know the the amount of lives and a game that's completely it's been that way for decades. That's just how you make again right trying to think of the things in real life not in the video game but in real life What what is just put there just to keep you busy or just to keep your planet or just to keep you whatever you know and it's not actually something intrinsic or it's not something that actually makes life great? It just creates an artificial barrier to make. It seem like this this. This part of life had earned this aspect of life or civilization has meaning and value. You know and I think when we I know that that's not like wow how. How did we get here? How did we get into all this? But that's that's why I kind of asked myself about like. Oh there's so much to do but how much of that edge distraction. How much that is bullshit? How much of that is something that isn't you know in a in a more directed directed? Life isn't what we'd actually WANNA do. You know in how much time we spend just leisurely relaxing. And then just thinking about things and do you. You have anything to see. I know I went on a wild ride. That went way out there. Yeah I mean some of what you talked about is in the other article that we were supposed Mr talk about which I don't know if you WANNA get into that or not but I think it would be a perfect fit for what you just described. Okay we'll pull it up So so yeah what what the hell. Let's do it okay. Yeah because I feel like maybe to some listeners. What you said was like a giant diatribe but this the second article is actually right on point with what you said? Yeah Yeah So I want I want to get into that. I mean something I wanted. I want to bring up. Where were that that a concept about video games that I just talked about where that came from is there's actually somebody I'm a fan of a bit of a fan of his angry video game nerd? I love it's funny. Yeah he's James Amazing The here's a guy who I more or less like swell Mike Mezei. Who's kind of his kind of co-hosts kind of a CO conspirator there? And he came out and said that if you're using the rewind feature which this feature in modern emulators and in like if you play on switch online or something like that you play Classic Video Games if you died you can hit. Like Z are and it will rewind the game to the point before he died and then you can just try again and from that point and so Mike Mezei said on twitter that you know. If you're using the rewind feature and you beat the game you didn't really beat the game like you saying that you cheated basically because you kept going back and you didn't actually go through the process of while you might have lost all your lives if you kept trying you know. And there's games were I. I get his point but then somebody just bad right back at him properly with no offense to Mike Mike metais but bad right back in and said you realize all of those things completely artificial constructs within a game just designed to make money and it has nothing to do with it. Being a great game in there one feature is built into the game. Why not use it? Well well it is now. It wasn't back in the day when when they first came out right So yeah I mean and and while anyway that's that's where that came from and it was such a brilliant point I was just like oh because it's such a big thing about so much it's like yeah exactly how many do things are just put in there. Not because it makes anything better but it's just to make money. I'm not talking planned obsolescence or any of that crap. I'm not talking about that. I mean real shit. You know That that we don't really think about so anyway Buckminster Fuller and Bertrand Russell like you said Ellen might have been on this in this vein So let's talk about it here. This is this another article Bertrand Russell and Buckminster Fuller. We should work less and live and learn more. I'll read a little bit of it. So why must we all work long hours to earn the right to live. Why must only the wealthy have access to leisure aesthetic pleasure self actualization everyone? It seems to have an answer according to their political or theological bent our economic boogeyman so-called trickle-down economics or reaganomics actually predates our fortieth president by a few hundred hundred years. At least the notion that we must better ourselves or simply survive by a toiling to increase the wealth and property of already wealthy men was perhaps first comprehensively Franson articulated in the eighteenth century doctrine of improvement in order or improvement in order to justify privatizing common land and forcing the peasantry three into jogging for them. English landlords attempted to show intrigue this after trees. That the one that the peasants were lazy immoral and unproductive and two do they were better off working for others As a corollary most argued that landowners should be given the utmost social and political privilege so that their largesse could benefit. Everyone Sauna stop on that for a second. Because I think there's a lot of libertarians that listen to us and you know they're hearing this and it's like Oh you're in this communist indiscreet or whatever against against capitalism and against work and Blah Blah Blah That's not where I am going with this. That's not why I'm bringing this up okay. We're talking about. I mean engineers love efficiency right. Go ahead the chipping away of non essentials. That's what I'm talking about. Here is the chipping away. A of non essentials you know the chip front getting at getting at the heart of these things and let's be clear like to to be some. You know to not devil's advocate because I kind of agree with what they're saying. Even though I'm not I wouldn't go as far as probably where they want to. Because they're about to quote Karl Marx. Okay Um uh-huh which I wouldn't do but it's important understand that the black plague made a lot of millionaires but it didn't make it made a lot of millionaires because there there is so much land leftover and there weren't a lot of people you know like I mean the whole idea of title and a lot of this stuff became a booming business. Really only after the black plague and you lost however many insights of you know the the population in in Europe. Okay so like this notion of well you know those those landowners they worked hard and you know if you just work hard you can own all this land to who is Horse Shit. They got it all from absolute a lot of them. Got It from tragedy in any way that the effect of the black plague on the European economy and concepts around around economics is so underexplored. I'd people really got to check themselves on that but regardless we're not gonna go there let's there's also that and then like claiming land after warfare you know like during the during Whatever Odor Oh that's Oh hell? Yeah I mean that's the thing too. I think there's plenty of worse. I think you could basically pinned down to being a real estate bell and literally and now mean just because like the Roman Empire must grow. I mean gene that you know like like it was an excuse to take down historic sites so that you could build more whatever on it and then get people into you rent-seeking or something you know or even just claiming the land is yours so that you can put your presence there and they confronted land right. Yeah I mean intersects them right right. There's real problems with with a lot of these. What we accept as the invisible hand of Adam Smith or something like that It's it's a lot bigger than that. And how we went from you know the renaissance to here to now is a much different story. I've never read and I don't care how much I like or give a shit about the economist. I've never written economist. Really cover that stuff in in any grand detail. I've never heard one talk about the black plague narrow the AH because if they did I think they'd be like I mean even and I brought this up on some of the best even our concepts of private property and things like this all of that comes out of the black plague because you never read anything like it before before then I mean maybe something but it wasn't where like up the masses got access to it more so and everything like that is a product of that. But that's that's besides so anyway the scheme well see. Where do I want to read? Because I don't really want to read the Karl Marx stuff. let's see well all right. Well we'll read it here. In far too many cases in fact the work we must do to survive robs us of the ability to live by ruining ruining our health consuming all our precious time and degrading our environment in his essay Bertrand. Russell argued that quote. There's far too much work done in the world that immense harm is caused just by the belief that workers virtuous in that what needs to be preached in modern industrial countries is quite different from what has always been preached quote his arguments for Laziness. Is he call them. Begin with Definitions of what. We mean by work which might be characterized this is difference between Labor and management. What is work? Work is of two kinds first first altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter second telling other people to do so the first kind is unpleasant until paid Ah and ill paid. The second is pleasant and highly paid. Russell further divides the second category into those who give orders and those who give advice as to what order should be given this ladder. Kind of work. He said is called politics and requires no real knowledge of the subjects as to which advices are yes to advice is given but only the ability to manipulate quote quote the art of persuasive speaking and writing I e of advertising and quote Russell then discusses quote a third class of men and quote at the top more respected than either either the classes of the workers the landowners who are able to make others pay for the privilege of being allowed to exist into work the illness of landowners he writes only rendered by I only rendered possible by the industry of others indeed their desire for comfortable idleness is historically the source of the whole Gospel of work the last thing they have ever wished is that others should should follow their example now that boy that had something big yeah it does yeah I I mean the idea that why would I mean and who is it Alexi Tocqueville I know in democracy in America has book He talks about this eventually. Leads like it's amazing. You know the he because he was in America. This is what like eight seventeenth eighteenth century. And he's saying or nineteen. Yeah anyway he saying wow you know. It's amazing the industriousness of America. In how anybody can really like make it here. I mean kind of the early concepts of the American dream and all this he said but eventually I think there's going to be. There's going to be a glass ceiling. There's going to be. They're not going to let you know the people that are hurt like running doing things now and large landowners and all this. They're not going to let the people get to the top. And but I think I think Bertrand Russell is on like why would they want you. It really speaks to a lot of things. Like why would mark Zuckerberg really want you to be successful as him. No he wouldn't want you to be he doesn't want this. Does Mark Zuckerberg support the existence of twitter. I guarantee he. Doesn't you know in a lot of these people who you know the wealthiest that we can imagine I mean Amazon. His running many many businesses right out of business or wanting to subsume them at no. They don't WanNa competition at all you know they're they're not interested in the slightest latest And you know these companies get scales so large that again. They are countries in themselves and they can basically have their own internal journal competition. But then that keeps you unless you WANNA go in and play by their rules from you know from being able to even dream of of of having some some kind of some kind of wealth in life any comment on this. Yeah I mean I I totally agree that when you analyze it this way landowners yes and like the idea of owning land in charging people for existing on. It seems Kinda ridiculous but I I really do like the point that he was making earlier about how Like so much of the work that we do is so that we can earn in the system. Take time for ourselves to relax and enjoy just being alive but in the process working in dangerous conditions zero times You know for really long hours or around Schley dangerous chemicals or something and that in itself is taking years off of our life seems somewhat antithetical to the whole concept of living along and healthy life who see now this. This gets my point earlier at the idea of is there something inherently flawed with that desire to constantly do more Because in so doing during like to do more guess what Jack You gotTa work more you know in you gotta make more money and just in this current system right right yes yes yeah But and like that need I mean is constantly fact I love it. I fucking love that Bertrand. Russell brought up advertising. 'cause I I mean look. I have advertisers search and they are supporting a very independent voice in. It's great but we do things in his ethical fashioned advertising as possible. I will not be able to have at this stuff you know. And it's legit no scams This it was so funny what he said about politicians to getting giving advice on what order should be Given you even if they don't know anything about the topic that they're talking about right it it comes down to cleverness like it's the class of cleverness I just being a master of communication and cajoling people. Yeah Y- I want to read a little bit more here But there's I'm Gonna I'M GONNA I'M GONNA say a freeze he's seeking help me remember it because I don't know if we're GONNA get to the waterworld review. We might have to do that somewhere else. But waterworld has a great Freeze in it. And it's it's the Church of eternal growth and I love that to death and I wanNA talk about that but anyway let let's let's keep reading here. And because Oh actually I just had church fraternal growth. What's what's our next line? The Gospel of Work Russell outlines is he writes the morality of the slave state in the kinds of murderous toil that developed under its rule. The actual Chattel Slavery Fifteen hour workdays conditions child labour has been disastrous. Work looks very different today than it did. Even Russell's time but even in Madeira not when Labor Labor movements had managed to gather some increasingly precarious amount of social security and leisure time for working people. The amount of workforce depan majority of us is unnecessary for human thriving and in fact counter to it the result of a still successful capitalist propaganda campaign. He goes if we if we aren't laboring for wages to increase the profits. It's of others. The logic still dictates we will fail to or we will fall to sloth advice and failed to earn our keep quote. Satan finds some mischief idle hands to do and quote goes as the Protestant Proverb Russell quotes at the beginning of his essay on the contrary he concludes quote in world where there is no one compelled to work more than four hours a day. Every person possessed of scientific curiosity reality will be able to indulge in it and every painter will be able to paint without starving however excellent has pictures may be. Young writers will not be obliged to draw attention to themselves by sensational potboilers with view to acquiring the economic independence for monumental works for which When the time at last comes they will have lost the taste and capacity acidy the less and end quote the less? We are forced to labor the more we can do work in our idleness and we can all labor less russell argues because quote modern methods Athens production have given us the possibility of easing security for all in quote instead of quote over work for some and starvation for others and quote. So that's a russell. So has the sand and then he goes into a Buckminster Fuller had to say which basically echoed much of Bertrand. Russell said I brought this example the Times on the show as well. I hear what what were Bertrand Russell saying like wait a minute. We have all this automation and and you know this article gets into. Do you buy into universal basic income. I'm not supportive of that. I I don't I don't even that's not even see I've already had that conversation many many times on the show I have no interest in that I am not not going there. Don't think I'm supportive of that with us. No there's so much automation without certainly without needing Silicon Valley's Algorithms. There's really no reason reason like I. In my opinion why we work so much like why we have to keep working in effect. I mean just in the home you know and this is the example. I bring up often. People have dishwashers right. I love our dishwasher but does since the dishwasher came out since the washing machine and dryer came out since go down the list of the modern home appliance that supposed to save so much time. It's Dan to me that everybody seems a lot more busy than they were one hundred years ago. And that's a problem so what's going on there. We're getting these technologies that supposed to give us more time and that's how they sell it to you right. I mean you can watch the old with the dishwasher. Watch watch the old The old commercials for this. Oh your wife finally gets to put her feet up for once and you know and you get to be there with family with the kids or whatever of course they show them all watching TV but you know whatever like you're going to have more time in your life to do this. No that's not what's happening. People are turing. Nobody has more time with all of these conveniences. That we're supposed to give us more time. Do you hear what I'm saying. Yeah I mean it seems kind of like what Ah Free Time was gained at. That point has now been like things have adjusted so that like that time that should have been spent at home. Relaxing is now being spent at work. People are working harder longer hours and they're not being paid as much as they have been over the past few decades I don't want to compare it to industrial era because that was entirely different. Sure I mean People were working like really grueling hours. Thousands yeah you we. We literally had businesses hiring armies to like shoot right there fucking employees when they held a strike Mike because they didn't want to work twelve hours a day Carnegie Anyway Go Yeah well anyway just I I. It seems a little conspiratorial. And I think you've kind of been hinting at this throughout the episode. But you know like landowners don't want other people people becoming landowners business owners don't want other people becoming business owners. There's an elite class that seemed to keep raising the standard for how much much time you have to work in order to earn your. Keep so that you don't you don't have the opportunity to succeed as much as they did. Yeah yeah now I there's two points on I wanna hit on this because there is an oddity in that that I think is worthwhile to bring up but also this concern that. If like like Bertrand Russell brought up that you know Satan Whatever handing A. and the idea that if people don't work that we can't basically saying if people don't work we can't keep them under control? We can't keep them under wraps right. That's accurate but then that's also not bad the and and I think that's ultimately what scares the fuck out of a lot of these people is. Is that if you gave people free time if they had the time to think and so on they'd realize that there's well shall we say a lot of higher management middle management adjustment. Just ain't necessary in the world in that's looking at government that's looking at a whole bunch of different classes of civilization. Okay that just absolutely are not necessary. Sorry and again i. I mean I've been saying this for a while on the show. I think that that government corporations can that corporatism is actively the engaged in making sure. You are not happy because if you're happy you might be content with what you've got and if your content with what you've got guess who's not making money. Guess who's not doing well at the Church of eternal growth you know like we. We know who's not doing well. We know whose Tom you know making bank. And whatever and who will fuck knows why they want what they wanted. It's damned odd if he asked me So the second it Kinda the second point I want to bring up on that so I I do think I get conspiratorial about this. You know on a saying that were were I mean even the most you know. Here's an example apple a guy who actually whose gets labeled as a Utopian Socialist Charles for your philosopher from from the nineteenth century. He's he's a socialist even he did say that and he was very utopian I mean he was he thought so. Far that in the future humans are going to grow tails. And we're GONNA have three is and all his wake you should. I mean this guy had the waste of ideas. The one thing he said is like no. No we're we're still going to have to work. We're not GONNA have to work as much but we're still going to have to work. You know a little bit and and you know there's going to be toilets toilets to clean you know that this kind of thing so even most ardent utopian like I would say for your was didn't kill himself that there there isn't some toiling to do you That we might not like you know but then doing some toiling we might not like I say four hours a day four days a week or five days a week or something thing is wholly different than what the fuck. We're doing ourselves right now. I mean that that sounds like God damn paradise you know I mean I can only imagine the things get done if if if I you know work less Is You know in in certain avenues. So the other part of this though. Oh there are people out there who I can think of one in particular who I consider a friend and he basically sold his business like he. He did very wall in his business and he ended up selling it in did very well through that. He has spent his life after doing that. Giving people like financial advice getting entrepeneurship trying to show them how to make things you know how how to improve their lives and get out of them. You know basically really get out of the nine to five you know and get out of the the this whole workload There are those kinds of people who I think are I think they're benevolent and and I think that they genuinely but the funny thing is they're they are these people would totally call themselves capitalists. They would love capitalism. They love automation. They love all this stuff but even there pursing their argument is is yeah you know okay. Save your money and do this Blah Blah so you can get into the four so you only have to work for hours a day or so you only have to work works such and so much like they're trying to free you from this whole thing to this the work load and schedule in half the crap that we do is so ridiculous and again I think it's it's bure fluff unnecessary unproductive even ultimately and it just meant there. It's like homework for kids. You know where it's like. Come on. You taught me that in class. This is just busy work so that mom and dad don't have to fucking deal with me or something like that. You know I don't know I mean every kid Kinda knows that how much work is often busy work. No but often enough it is but what do you got on. Oh Yeah I mean. I'd much rather spend four hours a day like toiling in the garden or cleaning the toilets even if I can have the rest of my and like those are activities that are contributing to an overall health and wellness lifestyle. Dial right yeah I mean like I'm a very clean person. I love it when things are clean and organized. I'm also a healthy person. I would love to have my own garden even if I had to weed it and like you know like till the soil To have fresh fruits and vegetables it'd be so worth it to me and those are just activities tippety that you do to sustain living and I mean they're essential it's essential work and I I would be happy to do that If that meant that the rest of my time could be spent you know like painting or writing or you know building stuff. Whatever it was as if I was has deciding my own path I I would be totally happy doing that amount of work but like the way that things are set up now You know you get a job doing. It or You know being a a line operator in a factory or something those. Those are completely removed from essential activities of supporting life or even from your own goals and dreams And it seems like so much of society is just like so much of people's lives are spent now like doing things that aren't connected to either vote. It was very important activities And supposedly like in your free time. You're supposed to be able to do all that but like people aren't utilizing their free time as as well as they could be because you know they're just preparing for the next round of work or they're just so tired that they don't have the mental the energy to do the creative stuff like you were talking about like with your work collapse stop you know. Yeah so I mean and it's it's really a radical way of thinking To try and imagine you know this life of of it almost seems like luxury you know. living in a way that separated from industry and from corporations and from government And just doing your own thing and and I don't know that everyone would like that lifestyle but it sounds really great to me and apparently did to Bertrand Russell too. Yeah Yeah I mean and I think there's a lot of people who might say something to the effect of well you know though okay fine like should people be able to. Do you have more hours in the day to go. Do whatever the fuck they want But you know a lot of people are stupid. I don't dispute that sentiment. Okay but then I also wonder on the flip side of that like saying that they would just do meaningless things or cause trouble or whatever part of the problem here in intrinsic issue within the way the system is right now is that it is saying again. 'cause like Bertrand Russell laid out others these different classes. This is a people go. We're not talking about Karl Marx here folks over that okay He sang like. There's these differences writers the politicians basically the land owners detail -tations landowners managers. There is there is an inherent. There is an inherent Concept that is very subconscious. Just I think within that within that framework that is someone's time is more important than your time in because you are taught to value value. Someone else's time is more important than your own. I think that's one of the things that lead you to perhaps not doing the most for you intrinsically really motivating and beautiful things that would allow you to have a beautiful life because you're constantly even thinking that your time isn't even important someone else's and that's really tragic but I think most most people they feel it. It's one of those things that they know that there's something wrong with the world and that's one of them and they can't put a dot on it but but I really think that that's going on for a lot of people people. Yeah and some people even end up feeling resentful without completely outlining why it is that they feel that when but that really does take away from your your sense of self worth when you're paid like twelve dollars an hour but your supervisors getting twice as much. Yeah Yeah I mean look if people have more time look not everybody's ladies Davinci not everybody's nobody else's Tesla you're saying not orgin Rustler Buckminster Fuller you know these other people sure fine. They might not go out there. Make the greatest pieces of art or they might not go out there and make you know domes and whatever else are invent a new car or styles asleep. They might not do all that stuff. But so what didn't and we don't have to. I mean yeah a human being like every human being has an intrinsic value. I mean everyone's unique as an individual. We all are important cordoned. Why shouldn't we all be privy to the same sense of feeling like we deserve to live? Yeah you know quick. Look let's go to one of the Buckminster like Mr Fuller quotes here because he really raises a great point on this and We'll we'll we'll read here Actually I'll I'll let see a few decades later. I'll start with us. A few decades later later visionary architect inventor and theorist Buckminster Fuller would make exactly the same argument to Bertrand Russell in similar terms against the quote specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. End Quote Fuller articulated his ideas on work and non work throughout his long career. He put He put the most distinctly a nineteen seventy New York magazine. It was entitled Environmental Teaching Hearing a quote it is a fact today that one in ten thousand of US can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest we keep keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. Many people are very little to do. Backbreaking Labor. Many others paid a lot do very very little. The creation of surplus jobs leads to redundancy inefficiency officiency and the bureaucratic waste. We hear so many politicians rail against We have quote. We have inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors offers. End Quote All to satisfy a dubious moral imperative and to make a small number of rich people even richer We could breathe on because fuller has another other another quote here What should we do instead? We should continue our education and do what we please argues quote. The business of people should go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living and quote. We should all in other words worked for ourselves. Performing the kind of Labor Labor we deem necessary for our quality quality of life in our social arrangements rather than the kinds of labor dictated to us by governments landowners in corporate executives I mean how do you feel about this. I mean I feel like he was really on to something when he said that The way that things are now everybody seems to have to justify the right to exist. Yeah Yeah right when I mean maybe there in some sense you have to like earn a earn your living like you have to feed yourself herself. You know you have to make sure enough air to breathe but other than that. I mean you don't have to justify your existence whether people want your not. What here you are? You're not going anywhere you're a human being. I mean your your your life has value from that lump. It really does folks I think we ignore that. But yeah and you're capable of doing things not just for yourself but for other people you know people are capable like he said of making really great breakthroughs that support other people or even just of doing common tasks that support other people. Somebody might be born that it is like like physically incapacitated They can't do certain things for themselves. They're plenty of people willing to help take care of those people absolutely yes And there's nobody saying that they need to justify their existence. Yeah Yeah and the yeah. This really gets to a big deal here again. I mean you have you know when it comes to the government and look ultimately I understand the government is is in many ways the ultimate problem here grandparents. Also they have some. I mean there's traumas that get tossed around funeral throughout associations stuff to just pin one thing but government certainly is a huge issue. Here no doubt But I yeah this this idea of that there are people I mean there. There are people who have different capabilities in maybe better like you know. I'm never going to be Tony. Hawke I can't skateboard like that. I'm not going to try all right in a way. Tony Hawkes better than me. But does his life have more value than mine. No absolutely you know I mean Lake Lake were beings our lives have value and I mean this speaks to. Well this is the issue with militaries and all these things is that there is a lie I in civilization that some people just have to you know and and like some people just have to go or whatever for the greater good or something like this and this this runs into this is a huge subject. We're not going to get into here. This runs into so many sewing problems. When you create this good evil dichotomy which shes also comes onto that puritan work ethic I think which is which is part of this? But yeah you're right I mean you don't you know Bill Gates doesn't laugh at somebody who works McDonalds and I I really. I don't think he does I E E US he's famously quoted as saying you know my parents called MC working at McDonalds donalds opportunity right that it's not not a joke but then how many people look down at you know working at McDonald's right or whatever I mean yeah you don't have you have to justify a right to exist and it doesn't have to be based upon the amount of labor that you put out there Not at all and I think that's a really really solid point. I mean what else do you have on this. Yeah I mean I just feel like there's so much more to persons valued than like what they can contribute to the higher ups short. You know like maybe a person's value does lie in their artistic stability But I like even deeper than that. There's an intrinsic value. which is you know their individual humanity? I guess we're kind of just discussing what it is. They can contribute to other people and I guess this kind of plays into what we're talking about earlier with like Neil. No one's GonNa drum like him. No one's going to be Neil pure. Yeah that's for sure Yeah he like he was totally unique because of that and added so much to people's lives just in the sure amount of joy that he generated from his music and Like maybe that's not something that like would contribute contribute to his survival but it's something that he clearly enjoyed doing and it made other people happy and it made him happy So like what. What more is there to say about that? Like he should like it. Doesn't I don't think that there's a dollar sign that you can contribute to that you know. I think people would be happy to have him around and to support his living. Even if money wasn't part of the equation and I think that everybody has or something like that. Yeah yeah where they're just. You're so happy that they're around and it's not something has a monetary value exactly. Yeah no I think that's. That's a very as salient point to bring up and we don't again we don't think about that and it gets worse because you have so many people that treat. Human Interactions As transactions Asians their interactions. They're not transactions yet so many people who treat. Oh well I give you X.. And so can you give me this right. I mean how many people have we heard in in our own circles that talk about love talking about relationships like it's an economic concept except the fastest way to make unromantic unsexy. Yeah easiest way for me to walk away like okay. Well you're you're fucking insane And and that's it is that again we keep in. That's more of that entered of Ono. We have to apply a dollar sign to otherwise it has no value. And I mean you're just playing into this whole problem that we're describing here when you do that. People have a right to exist on their humanity alone. I mean if you're somebody WHO's into Wright's theory they have rights because because of their humanity so what the fuck does that have to do with them. Going work you know what that doesn't it doesn't even make sense. You know if if So you only have rights if you work for living likely what where where in what world does that make any sense. Of course. It doesn't no one would aren't i. I would hope that no one would argue. Thank you for that you know and it's all very twisted. Yeah I really do. Think that money twists people's khanate emotions in that sense like if you you know if you're like an average income person and you're walking down the street and you see like a starving homeless person. What what sort of human would you be if you didn't feel some sort of compassion for the person and want to help them and and take some sort of action to help them? I mean you have to be really cold to ignore that sort of plea And in a sense like it's the money see. That's that's convincing. People that like the homeless person doesn't deserve in existence but the person with the average income does that's essentially really what these economic levels of of Society are saying to you like some people are less deserving of food or shelter than others. And I'm not saying universal income. Either right a saying like if you see someone who's starving. Who are you not to help with them? Yeah I mean I. It's neo feudalism serfdom. I mean straight up. You shouldn't be expecting anything in return for that. I mean just the fact that someone is so so live because of you I mean. That's that's everything. Yeah Yeah I mean this is what you know philosophically. I think this these are the dangers. We we run into when you know and egoism the individual is the measure of all things. Okay the individual money money individual is the measure of all things but I think for most other `ISMs it is not the way most other `ISMs it falls alls under completely different it falls under like You know abilities production money all this other stuff and I mean that. Just that's where we run into trouble. You know when we start to put value on someone outside of or if we don't if it's not as an add on but as in the only value we have in people title is on how much they make or how much they produce or how much Blah Blah Blah Like if that's all that we count that on I mean we just. We don't accept that note. They're an individual so they have value from that That again we run into all kinds of trump. You look I'm going to call it and and if you want me to edit out ya'll edited for you okay but like in my day you know all I wanna do is fucking like read and fought I I mean the I wanna make stuff too. I enjoy doing that. You know like applying what I've read but I don't have a whole lot of desire. As far as like what would I necessarily want to do and I think most people especially if you were teaching them in this is a key part to teaching them what they really want not what you want them to buy what they actually want inside. which would you can't often sell? Okay you know. That's that's fine. Blake the most people. Don't want all the crazy shit that. What were you told me about the other day fucking Lady Gaga? What was she doing their dress shoes? She was at the Mat. Or something like that and She's working with designers for like weeks and months to design the dresses like four layers of dresses and the very top one was like you know forty yards of silk and then like the the next one beneath it was like really fabulous and may like eight of seven people carrying it behind my exactly it was just so much like money and time and resources just devoted to looking amazing for a photo op so that people could take pictures of her for photo and people going. What's their acting like monkeys at the zoo? You know they're like they're like how come over here you know. Everybody wants to get their prime picture of Lady Gaga. I mean look I like her music and people can do that. People can do what they wanna do but are very artistic. I get the fuck I think really is this what were trying to achieve in our lives. With what the hell. I'm sorry I just I don't think if you got to like a very honestly to Gaga Okay and appoint before you know The music industry and civilisation. Whatever else like Hammer donnie owner? I'm pretty sure that's not what she would have been interested in doing. You like going through that whole mess. Yes like she's like at this point like once you get to that level of fame you almost become like a just a a an object for sale like people take pictures of you and those can be sold for thousands of dollars so you are a highly valuable commodity And that in itself I think is just so fucked up But but then you also have to wonder like how does she rationalize is spending so much money on that kind of stuff when you know that there are like so many people living below the poverty line. Yeah well you know absolutely and I and that speaks to another thing too and I say this all the time the most important philosophical question that any single most important question anybody can ask themselves because we're all individuals like we've been saying this whole episode through varying subjects. Okay the most important thing you can ask yourself as what you want and night. No nineteen out of twenty people. I don't nothing can even answer that question and I might be being generous. They cannot really answer that question. They can say oh. Well I want to have parties and I want to have this person over and can you do this with the goal will where do you WanNa do for you. You what do you WanNa do you know. And and I because when you reach that level of fame and popularity that's not ultimately for you like you so easy to be taken advantage of by other people. I I think and and believe me. I've asked this question to people and I've tried to get them very I mean and I'm being kind and I'm doing it out of absolute care and I've had people cry right in front of me because I keep asking the no what do you want. Now don't forget about that person. What do you want and they break down into tears because a no one's ever even given them permission to to test that question you know but B? It's so sad. They've never thought about it because they're so busy just worrying about everything else. And when that's the only thing that fucking could matters and I would argue that if you could get people down get them to that base layer okay and get them to answer that question. I don't think we want a whole hell of a lot and I don't think actually that we probably don't even need a whole lot of money too. You know by comparison to do what we actually want to do. Because I think most people if you just want love I want somebody to love down costs. No yeah there you go jail. Oh I love don't cost a thing But Yeah but you. You can't sell that in. So nobody tells you that all this distraction attention all these strains that could be telling you the message in fact fuck these are making cheap. They're giving you tender. They're giving you Greiner. They're giving you. I mean I understand the importance surrender. That's a little different but like they're giving all these things where you know they're trying to make you feel like you're going to find love with this sort of thing or something like that when it's all superficial official and it's all like it's making the concepts themselves superficial and it keeps you from actually like really thinking about. That's that's all other thing. Yup that's the problem what we really want the downside maybe doesn't cost the God damn thing and guess what that's all we wanted or if that if we realized realized what we really want to not all we wanted because people want whatever they want. But that's what we really wanted The church turn growth fall. It would fall apart because they can't sell you anything anymore and you would be happy and you would be content. And that is antithetical to their what they see as this endless fucking growth And what does she because how many brilliant people did we miss. Because they didn't have time to write down that amazing thought that they had how many How how many people didn't really get to be happy? People died so fucking angry because they never did the things they wanted to do. And so on and and the because they didn't have the time or or they felt like they needed permission and they didn't get it or even the opposite how many people have died throughout time being completely content with their life so happy that they lived at beautiful wonderful Loving Ping peaceful life And their story has never been spread to people. Because it's not notable enough. That's not something that's going to trend on twitter. Yes there. Oh it's going to turn on the Internet this huge promise the Internet with a you and I have talked about with the whole reliable ship. Buy We talked about often. Is that the and we know this. The Internet does not it is not conducive it to earn certainly social media does not hold up does not edify by rationality. It wants the crazy on both on a whatever side of the spectrum it does not want rationality at all. 'cause rationale nationally doesn't sell doesn't get clicks doesn't get eyeballs. Nobody cares. I didn't episode a few months ago. in two thousand Nineteen Call Live in obscurity right. I talked about this very thing. You know that there are people who have lived absolutely fucking amazing lives. And you're never going to hear about them. Why because they did it right? You don't like you use. You actually shouldn't hear got it because they are they are they did it right. They went off into the woods. Nobody bothered them and they got the they wave their freak flag lag or whatever the fuck that they do you know and they are just having the time of their lives and we don't know about it and good you know I mean like it's sad at the same time because it'd be so nice when be so nice to have a book of like Holy Shit. Look at all these amazing people who did this you know and lived especially if but then. That's the other partout. If you actually actually put that book out there all the House of cards have come down you know again. They church maternal growth. Be Like we won't wait. This person was really happy when they died. Oh Shit mets only did I want that will guess what money money doesn't buy that and that's a problem so like you said money isn't everything no no it certainly not it is. It's it's enough to help you survive if you wanna live this life rounded by people and grocery stores and and coffee shops and and Walmart's but it's not. I think this article goes on to say later and and I really liked the slime link. You can make a living but you're not actually that's not giving you more. Life is not living the life. Yeah Wow wow yeah yeah like that you know maybe we should. We should flip that on. Its head INS- you know like like are you. Are you making a death or something like that or you. You know. It's somehow use a different term like the concept of making a living. You know all this I mean I get it in a you know we can have all the respect in the world for people that come out of nothing and I mean ellen like you would you have done with your life is nothing less than remarkable you know and and and where you'd gotten and where you're going I mean is phenomenal and we can respect that and all these things But at the same time like we don't hear about them the so brilliant that you brought that up. We don't hear about them like boy be so great to venerate the people that you know that that just we never know the success stories. Not Monetary Success Not Zeroes in the bank account. Success the success of dying happy. We never ever hear that And Amazingly I I bet a lot of those were not the hardest of lives. You Know I. I don't know well so anything else. You WanNa add in on this one. Yeah I mean I've always said that like success is something that's personally determined You know whatever ever success out in the world exists like climbing the ladder That's not what makes people happy. I mean you could you. You could ask plenty of people from all different levels of society. What their level of happiness is in these various areas and people who are impoverished? Generally we are just about as happy as people who are making fifty thousand a year Beyond that point It gets a little bit. Easier for people You know you don't have to worry. So Much Gotcha. About like living week to week and saving up and being able to sustain yourself if something bad happens which is a very real concern and I understand why if people have it especially if you're living impoverished in like the weekly paycheck is really all that you have to go on and if you have children like that can be really expensive But I just feel like there's so many other areas areas of success that are determined by what you want and how much you have achieved your goals and They're just there are a thousand different ways as that you can reach that point and I don't think that the way that society prescribes it to everyone is the the best way it certainly not inefficient way. It's it's not even a good way and like so. Many people are criticized for wanting to step back from society. Go off the grid and people see that as bizarre but that's that's how humans have lived forever. Even to this day there are there civilizations that live in total obscurity like in places in Africa or South America and they are so happy or at least you know before Before big oil companies came diamond factories or whatever. I'm in basically enslaved. People enforce them to move off their traditional homelands But you know it really doesn't take that much like you're saying to be happy and the harder you work to make it in civilization the harder it's going to be for you to achieve your own levels of success. Yeah Yeah Yeah. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA have to be pleased and other people are more and not paying attention to yourself and what a shame. Yeah while I love the point you brought up about living in obscurity yet. I mean that's really what you're getting at I mean that that the happiest people that have ever lived on earth will never know you know will will I in my opinion like we'll never know who they are Yeah and if you're working all the time for somebody else's success you're not working for your own. It's just taking being away from your time in life. Yeah yes so you know I think to to Kinda close this out. I think it's good for people to walk away and I'm Chelsea answer the question what do you want like you loaned your free time. Whatever like what do you really want and I'm curious what the infect you wanna email me with them feel free but I'm I'm curious what the answers would be to that and how simple? The things probably are And a lot of it probably has to do with senses like a sense of belonging a sense of understanding the lot of these things more than it has to do with an actual physical object of any kind So I I would I really. I challenge people to look into that and then see how you feel and then maybe knows how much it'll make you question. Think about that video game analogy to think that that's a big one so anyway We've been going over over two hours so I think we'll have to save. The water will review cure for another episode. But of course you're always welcome on and Well if if you let me have my way. I'm going to have you on every week regardless we'll get into that In a future episode. I think that's worthwhile to to talk about. Maybe we'll do for one content WHO's only one dot com to get your hookup on that. And of course we're GONNA talk about a lot of this stuff a great place to do that. Just go free. Talk Live freetalklive dot com. That's the website they already sponsor of sovereignty. 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It's always special of course but it's extra special today because I've got not one but two very active members of the Free State Project New Hampshire with me. I hear the founder of the Free State Project. He wrote the original paper which cure eight of the free state project. Way Back in two thousand one very. Please welcome Jason Sorenson Jason. Are you ready to roar. Let's go already and next up. She is also a free stater. She's the founder of Bardo farm arm and a former free state project. Board member very pleased to welcome. Jody Underwood Jodi. Are you ready to roar. I am ready to roar. Excellent Excellent on Anna. I brought you both here today because I want to bring a little more attention to what you guys are doing up in the Free State Project I have attended pork fest a couple times. I can tell you that is a wonderful event. A highly recommend visiting pork Fezzan meeting many of the people up in the Free State. And we'll talk a lot more about what you guys are doing with the Free State Project and as well you have liberty forum coming up in a a couple of weeks but I I WANNA get to know you guys a little bit better so i WanNa start off learning how each of you. I got down the path of liberty. Edgy I learn about these ideas Jason. We'll start with you. What I sent you down the path through the ideas of liberty? Yeah I would say really what got me seriously on. That Path was when I they did an after school program in high school called the ten pillars of economic wisdom. I later learned that just a few years before I went through the program. I'm in Houston Texas. Someone else did Ted Cruz actually. Did it really a few years before I did it. Ah Yeah he he may have. He may have picked up something on the on the economics. But maybe not the whole picture so that was really a program where we learned earned free market economics and I read everything that they sent me. They said a lot of nieces and has let and and even some Roth Devoured it all at I didn't have a label For those ideas. But I was definitely persuaded of of The value of free markets and individual liberty and just sort of grew in that as where those ideas further Jodi. What about a you what I sent you down this path libertarianism? I mean it's interesting to think of it as a path rather than an eye identifying a realization Zeeshan So we're really two things. I think that got me to the label anyway. Went what happened was with my husband than we had just started shooting and he. My husband wanted to buy an extended magazine for one of his pistols and found that he couldn't wouldn't that suddenly he was treated as a criminal really annoyed him and he started reading everything about Second Amendment. And all this stuff and probably as a the result of that we started reading reason magazine and reason was the first time things started making sense. I've been questioning everything for a really long time and suddenly it was like. Oh ooh Libertarians. Think like me got it so that that was really my story. And that's actually how I heard about. The Free State Project was through reason magazine Awesome. Well let's dive right into a little bit more about the Free State project itself. I'm sure many of our listeners have heard of it but for those that have Jason. I want to start with you. I had to start with how you I actually came up up with this idea for the Free State project. Had this idea. Come to you came to me when I was a graduate student and this was not too long after the two thousand election. Assist awhile ago about a decade. A half ago I was I have been a little bit. Active and Libertarian politics and I was disappointed at the direction that national national politics Were going and at the same time. I was doing a little bit of research. I was actually working on my dissertation. A in local science and my research was on secessionist movements around the world movements for independence and and basically the way. The government's responded to them. One of the things I found was that in countries that have a successionist movements we've seen more decentralisation of power central governance try to mollify voters that might otherwise voted for independence while they're giving them Honda me instead. I'll look at how much Itami Scotland has gotten over the years. Because of the United Kingdom's desire to prevent it from gaining independence and I noticed. Furthermore that over time most countries are becoming more decentralized administration take exception to that at least the nineteen thirties the US has become more centralized power in the federal government unless in the states and local governments but if that trend overseas came to the US it would apply that states would become really important over time and so all of that made me. Think about states as a locus for libertarian political activity and a small enough domain that Libertarians connection big influence. I didn't think we could ever have a big influence on the federal government but maybe if we identified a state that was all already somewhat friendly to our ideas because all move there there and make a fear society so I wrote up a little essay proposing his idea. I send it to a high school friend of mine. Who's actually now watt the University of Edinburgh? That I sent him this. This idea that he he really liked thought. I should publish it So I sent into this little online journal. The Libertarian Enterprise. The editor at the time wanted to sign up right away so I figured I might be onto something and after that came out out two hundred people. People emailed me saying that they wanted to make this a reality. And that's how the Free State project was and at that time. Did you have a specific state in mind or was more the general enroll idea it was really just a general idea. I mean we knew he wanted to choose a smaller state. That was friendly to libertarian ideals already and we left it up to do the voters decide the first five thousand people signed up for the Free State project had the right to vote. We ended up with a list of ten states. People could rank all ten of those states. which was the state that defeated every other state by a majority head-to-head CONDORCET winner and that state ended up being a New Hampshire. I'm curious were there any other states. That were kind of close contenders or was it pretty much blow. I wasn't terribly close. But the closest competitor Wyoming Wyoming defeated every other state except New Hampshire and voters preferred New Hampshire to Wyoming. I'M GONNA say fifty seven to forty three percents that was basically the margin of victory. Then I think it helped that. The governor of New Hampshire was the only governor of the ten states. You're considering to actually support us. Sign up as a friend of the Free State Project and encourage us to To choose state and Jodi you mentioned you first heard about the Free State project through reason magazine one did you go from just You know sort of an idea that you heard about and that was interesting to something that we actually became you know signed up and actually became a free stater so when we when we saw the AD We thought wow what a great idea. Next time we're ready to go on adventure on an adventure. Let's let's consider that. Let's think about New Hampshire. We didn't read anything about it. We didn't know Out Sign up but you know beforehand whatever and and so then a few years later we actually found ourselves wanting to go on on such an adventure of living in the Philadelphia area. Outside of there'd be had made a couple of friends who wanted to change. They WANNA live country live off the grid did and this was down our alley. Also they wanna live near skiing. She was from Vermont actually and and he he just wanted to live up there anyway. So we're like Oh wait New England. Let's switch to New Hampshire. Let's look into this. And so then we started looking in free state project and just really like the idea of a bit and we found a house. I visit that. We bought a house in a large property. Actually we live on two hundred ten acres off the grid and Yes we signed up you know when we knew that it was happening. You know that was basically after we learned how it would all work. So I'm not exactly the normal the right and I presume that two hundred and ten acres is what would soon developer. Maybe not soon but I would eventually develop into Bardo farm that you started to speak on that a little bit and did you. You have any experience with farming or anything before you started doing this. No we so. We inherited some animals when we bought the property so we bought it from. They had a team of oxen which is true. I didn't know that when I moved here. I'm from Brooklyn New York so very tight. I would think the yeah and we had a dog that was about my experience with the animals so two oxen a a two goats about a dozen laying hens and You know we just started taking it there that care them Neilan emily the other couple that we we you've got property. whipper moved up with. They had had experience with animals. Just more than we did. But you know if it weren't for Youtube we probably have done anything. Thanks so we. We relied on that a lot from including living off the grid. I mean really. None of us knew anything about how to do this. And then in the Neilan. Emily got married a year after we moved up and a wedding present. They got was two piglets. Now we have been thinking about getting pigs prior to that and serve somebody knew that and bodice but them I say us. I took all the presence from their wedding to for all of us but the two piglets which we started taking care of that that was basically the start of it after the two well. That was easy. Let's do it again. We raise them all spring and summer. And then we harvest them in the hall. We had people in town Help US learn how to to do the harvesting in in came in and Poached US while we did. It was amazing just people. We've barely knew these weren't even crease. staters but our count is filled with like minded people. It was just the greatest experience and so after the next year we did for and then more and more than Neilan. Emily decided they wanted to to really grow the farm so it is more bears so I in some sense. I was a founder. I I call myself one of the faces of Artaud farm his I don't I mean I have done just about everything having to do with taking care of uh-huh raising animals harvesting them in particular My husband has a much bigger role than I do these days. But it's kneeling emily's farm at this point Ulan Elliott Smith Gotcha. So it wasn't necessarily the plan you just sort of fell into it and have have learned everything along the way yeah. It was just doors opened and we token wider is better. I would look at that. Do you find that to be sort of a a a common path for not necessarily starting a farm but for people that moved to the free re-state they they kind of have this idea that they want to do it. They might not necessarily have planned it all out and this is something either of you can speak on but they sort of show up and the community and sort of helps them along and helps them build up build a life there. You get all different kinds of people moving here so some people come with jobs in hand they want to find a job. Ah before they come some people show up. Don't even know what they're gonNA do. Some of them find help and some of them. Don't it depends on on what they're looking for it. Many many people the talk about wanting to start a homestead just raising their own meat and vegetables and stuff like that. So I you mean just all sorts of people show up for this project. That's my experience. Maybe Jason has a different Beth right Some people have on the ability to work remotely At some of them often find that once they get here they find better job opportunities so people's lives take interesting evolutions You know in my case I started with a temporary job that ended up being on so temporary than I ended up with the with a better job and moved osborne. Learn the state. So that's the kind of thing that happens US In general taking the lead Provided you Dolt up some skills built up some savings Tends to work out because it's a state that's pretty economically dynamic and you can Find helping and you can find good jobs and good opportunities here looking for them. How much would you say that the Free State project or maybe just the Free State you know many members of the Free State Project object? How much would you say? Their activity is more focused on on politics on changing the actual politics and laws locally versus just say like lifestyle type stuff like be trying to get off the grid trying to build a separate life that is more free of the state and again either of you can speak on this. I think there's a mix there as well on in terms of people so who really exert a lot of activism in the political relevant would say. It's a minority. I would love to see more people who are dedicating some of their free time to those kinds of activities there are a lot of people who on our sporadically active in the political arena Take opinion or have opinion soup A vote and maybe throw a few dollars order a candidate. This may be a friend or something like that but are not consistently active and there are some who are super activists and then there are those who are more interested in the in the lifestyle side of things who are active in other areas like education or media They are a regular market days. Now around Ellis states that. There's there's definitely some outlet there for people who are entrepreneurs on a small scale to to practice so we do get all types I would say probably a large majority of free staters do see changing the policies here to make the state a freer place as core objective of the Free State project but not everyone has a talents to or time to become a legislator just later or do a lot of that really serious activism and Jodi amy from the little I know about you. I feel like you're a little bit involved in both aspects of this. Obviously you know. The Pharma is one-sided things by now you've been very active. 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That's where we come from entrepreneur dot com on the web so we are a Multi Media Trans Media Company helping people in the entrepreneurial world well actually all of the world so many things are relative in our world the way we do business the way we raise our children the way we have relationships with our siblings with our families families and at this time of Year of course all this is very relative because my relatives are coming into town for the holidays. Eh about you guys but you know and every now and then you know you raise a glass of wine and everything is cool and then sometimes you throw a bottle of wine get Outta my house or whatever. Ah So you know. It's like that bottle comes in handy and sometimes maybe you'd rather throw a can because it doesn't break and speaking of that you know about a year and a half ago go or so. I interviewed a guy named Ryan harms. And he is the founder and owner of union wine company and they make wine in Cayennes. The ends which I thought at the time was a great idea because half of my company at least half every weekend was out hiking the mountains and going to the waterfalls walls and they also like to drink wine but when you take a bottle of wine with first of all you've got to be careful with every step you take at that point when you take can with not such. It's a big deal. Everybody take a can put it in your backpack. Let's roll so it's kind of fun to check back in a year and a half. I don't know it's been maybe yeah about a year and a half ago but along the way they have had. It's the union wine company. They've had tremendous growth and they. Let's just see here year over year. Growth has been averaging forty percent since twenty sixteen with four hundred thousand cans sold in two thousand eighteen on on schedule by the end of the year. which is right around the corner For five hundred fifteen thousand cans projected and they are now Oregon's largest wine producer now. I live in Oregon so for me. That's Kinda Fun. They've also been named by business magazines. As the wine categories most innovative companies for twenty eighteen. Twenty nineteen is different but they've also got plenty going on there Nielsen reports ranked Underwood which is one of the brands under the union wine company number one premium canned wine brand and wine industry adviser. Brian Ryan was named one of the most inspiring people for Twenty Nineteen Ryan. You're on fire brother. Good job congrats. That's how it's been. It's been exciting roller coaster ride and I don't think it's over you know I. It sounds to me like you're kicking can but I remember after the interview your PR people send us a I don't know whether it was a six pack or whatever it was. It was a box box of of wine with different varieties in in there and I so I passed them around to the office to the wind. Drink and folks in the office in and there was not anybody didn't go out delicious so I wanNA talk about. This is kind of meteoric growth. And how you're dealing with it. Are you going to the men's hair club yet. Because the bald spot continues to increase with the pressure that is on Ryan shoulders right. Or maybe you're like me and you just had your gall bladder because all this growth creates a whole lot of you know kind of the next version of you you has it did it or are you already there. It's a good question. I'm so I can say I'm voiding the men's hair club so far I can't say eh from my brother who works with me in the business but in all seriousness. It's it definitely has been coming from being a winemaker. Two more of a presidency. Oh and trying to run a growing enterprise like this. It's presented a lot of challenges and it certainly. He has of all the role I have in the organization. What I do and kind of probably some of the fulfillment that that you have but those have been fun challenges that I've embraced and continue to get up and enjoy what I'm doing day in and day out and I think that for me that's all that matters as long as I continue to have fun than this is what I want to continue to be doing with my life? I like it when we come back. I'm going to more because they're in a brand new forty-three three thousand square foot packing facility and they're able to Can Six hundred and fifty cans per minute. Gosh well that's that's what you need if you're going to grow as fast as they're growing union wine company DOT COM on the web. If you want to check it out we'll talk a little bit about The wine raise raise a glass to your family members. Try Not to fight people during the holiday season eight worth a whole lot better. This is entrepreneur weekly. The help learn together searched more entrepreneur. Weekly after these messages Albert. I love the Song Dire Straits money for nothing and you chicks for free three. You're listening to entrepreneur weekly. I'm an Entrepreneur Entrepreneur magazine on newsstands everywhere. It's funny we all start out our businesses as entrepreneurs because we love whatever it is. We're doing passionate about it. I think Ryan harms is one of those guys founder. Owner of union wine company started. Data's winemaker now under the brand. They have five different brands under the Union. Wine Label Underwood King's Ridge Amity Vineyards Christopher Michael Wines and alchemists and now he went from being a winemaker to a CEO the CEO. It's it's lonely at the top as they say because you aren't able to do so much you loved before now you're having to crunch numbers and hire and fire and and you out and make a deal on a forty three thousand square foot packing facility and put together a bottling and canning assembly line that can do two hundred fifty bottles per minute. Six hundred to six hundred and fifty cans per minute and make sure that nobody gets killed in the process. It's like the hard job the CEO has to to do. Can you talk about that. Conversion from winemaker to CEO and that journey right. Yeah and it's it's one of those things that doesn't happen overnight but at some point you kinda wake up and recognize. I hardly do any of this over here. which is what got me into into the business? And now I'm spending the lion share of my time you know navigating neither of these challenges or as you just said dealing with crunching numbers and trying to just just make sure we're keeping the lights on and and not making a decision that potentially we'd regret and for a guy who has an environmental studies undergraduate degree the and no formal business training. I think that's been the area that has been the most challenging for me is both recognizing that I need to step up and continue to step away. That probably keeps me in a position where I feel a little unbalanced because I'm doing some and things that I not necessarily experience or comfortable in and trying to lean into that a little bit and find comfort in doing that and then at the same time I I think maybe being a little bit in that luxuriance position of as you're hiring more people to allow the organization that grow and run. You're kind kind of in that transition where you're starting to recognize like I need a little more process you know. We can't just kind of running gun anymore the way we used to. And so you're starting to bring process process and maybe recognizing you need different skill sets and the people that you have on board that also that's allowing me to step back a little bit and say like Hey. I don't love this particular secure area that I've got involved in and I want to try to find some of the things that are I'm passionate about or excite me and I think for me right now. I'm in that zone. I don't know if kind of there's definitely responsibilities I have and I accept those and I may not love all of them and then I'm also trying to find some of those parts of why I'm in this business. Let's begin with. That's where I want to stop you there. So question is windy. You have that way on you when you go to bed when you wake up when you take a lunch break when you have that. OC- is knit moment. Where you realize that you've turned into the CEO man instead of this passionate passionate wine loving winemaker when you say cases cases six pack how many cans in case cases his twenty four nine leaders? It's the same volume as like a case of wine. So twelve bottles of wine is twenty. Four can't there's volume volume twelve million cans of wines old. which you know it's like it's daunting so when is that I mean I I go to bed at night? Sometimes I'm so exhausted I'm out and then I wake up at three o'clock in the morning going. Oh my gosh what happened. Where am I who am hi? WHO's body in my in? What happened to the life that I wanted even though this life is? It isn't the one that I wanted. But I'm I can redirect so where they give me thirty seconds. We'll take another break. I think that comes at different times like sometimes it is that the two am three am year awake grinding. Ending on something that you've been working on and then sometimes I think sitting down and like signing cheques. You're looking at the dollar value. The number of people involved in it like kind of comes home to sit on my shoulders about all these people that I'm responsible for making sure that I started the business the effectively because it's their lives were so much responsibility. It's a dairy. Say All work and no play makes Tom Adult. Boy is they say but doesn't have to be that way. We are the sum total of all of our choices. So let's make Goodwin's we'll take another break come back from commercial well and find out what Ryan got to say. Maybe you can give us some great advice. Song Sprinter weaker. It's more entrepreneur. Weekly after these messages. You're listening MM to entrepreneur weekly. Now here's your host. Alan Taylor Entrepreneur magazine on newsstands everywhere. We're here to try and help you. You understand your journey a little better exposing those on their journey that are maybe a little further down the road than you like Ryan harms founder and owner of Union Wine Company to Oregon right up the road from me. They've they've sold like twelve a million cans and bottles of wine or talk to him a couple of years ago. He was just kinda getting going with this company and things were going well but my God. This is a meteoric rise of company and the man along the way has to evolve. The man in charge Ryan harms joining us right now and I. I said to him during the commercial break. I said you know what I want you to dig deep here because at the end of the day people love to follow a man with a good heart and I. I don't usually interview people twice Ryan but when I talked to you the first time I liked what I heard so when they asked me they said hey you know gosh this companies really growing well and there's some really cool stories here and there's a lot of this you know oh been voted number one and number one there and I always like all right well. That's all cool. There's a lot of companies are kicking ass right now but what I want to know is the evolution of this man. And what can this man share with. All these people men and women listening who are trying to improve their lives when things maybe going good because we always have stories about when things go bad but when things are going good idea just kinda rake in the money and I'm getting richer Germyh the minute or do you really go soul-searching I hear a searching soul definitely searching. You know I think the the question that you pose kind of go a couple of ways I think for me. I dedicated a huge amount of my late twenties and a big chunk of my thirties. He's to working trying to support. My family support. The families that worked for me and I realized in doing that that I didn't I spend a lot of time with my kids. My marriage kind of fell apart. And I think that's probably a pretty common story for a lot of entrepreneurs absolute and maybe it's the beauty of hindsight but I'm looking back and I know there would be some things have loved to do over not going to get those opportunities with your children again and and while the business was there and it was exciting and you know almost intoxicating to be a part of the growth and everything we had going on also was missing things at home and I think now I've kind of come to a point in my career where I realized that I gave up some things that you know quite honestly if I had I had to do over. I'd like to do it a little differently. I don't know that it actually would change anything. In terms of where Union wine company would be today but in those moments you feel like hey hey if I spend an extra two hours in this job done or doing this work that I have at the office that will continue to give me a head in terms of what I'm doing with work while you're giving up that time with your family and I think in hindsight you know those couple of extra hours every day throughout the week. Not only do they add up but I just. I'm not sure that they're actually getting your head. We certainly have in our culture right now to this kind of hustle and grind kind of Man Talapity and and I think there's something that can connect to in that but I also maybe question a little bit some of the symbolism of you know I I worked eighty hours his last week and it's like a badge of honor and I think people are doing that are probably given up a lot of things to that unfortunately well hopefully they won't come to to regret in the future feature. You know what I gotTa Tell You I am. You and I am just older. I'm going to be sixty. I did the exact same thing. All entrepreneurs make the same mistake doc and it typically will cost us. A marriage didn't for me. I've been thirty eight years with my wife at this point which is amazing. I have four kids and couple of grandkids. Kids and I will work with you on this one because I think that this is the number one mistake that we all as entrepreneurs and not even just entrepreneurs like you said said the badge of honor. I worked eighty hours or one hundred hours. It's a badge of stupidity. Unfortunately because what did we give up so but I'm here here to tell you that it's never too late. Never too late to go to your kids and grab and tell them you love them and just make that change Enj- today because the fact is it. My kids are now fully grown but guess what now when they see in in my. Is this different man this man that looks at them with presence instead of what. Oh let me get to that later. I'm busy right now. which they heard from for me most of their life and probably you with your kids too but it's never too late because guess what they see? Finally it's like like remember in Hook when when a little kid grabs Peter Pans face and he pulls back his face. A little bit is scanning goes. Oh there you are Peter you know because he was a full grown man and he was a little kid when he was Peter Japan. And that's the way it is with your kids when they finally see that your home and your back to do your job is be their dad or their mom. If you're a woman and listening to this but it's never too late and success is not really all what it's cracked up to be if you you know there's a saying what profit profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his soul in the process and so out of this of course it's the holiday season. We all need that wakeup call. And I'm glad to see that I was right about Ryan harms. Love this journey. You're on Ryan. Congratulations on all the growth for union wine. The company. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA continue my little sipping supporting you. I don't drink much wine but I always think of you when I pick up. You know a little bit of wine and I'm seeing you all over the place. Ace so congratulations. Yeah Thank Union wine company DOT COM to learn this lesson sooner than later people. I'll never too late. Let me out of my problem of entrepreneur weekly check out our podcast ask for even more content subscribed today. Aw You're listening to entrepreneur the newer weekly. Now here's your host Alan Taylor. Well happy holidays. don't be too happy talking about wine now. Let's talk about getting high. Oh what a subject to talk about an entrepreneur. You're right our next guest up can shine a light on this whole thing with the you know the whole cbd oil oil and cannabis. And all that. Actually I have a family member that works in this field but Ryan Lewis. He is the CEO and founder of global and are ready for this cannabinoid Hannibal AIDS. That's a big word. I didn't even know what a cannabinoid is Ryan Allen Picture and canaveral or like one of the most exciting phase in my life can avenue. It's our T. eighteen that everybody knows. That's one type of NAPA know. CPT It is another type of noise actually stands for cannot dial but there's a hundred other Tanakh noise and the president of the cannabis plant and cannabis is marijuana. I WANNA and marijuana is any cannabis that has higher than point three percent. THC and Pampas any cannabis. That has less than point three percents so Mary Jane and hemp. Both I did not know that. So you learn something new every day. So let's talk about first of all all global and say this word again cabinets. What do you guys you you got it? Yeah what do you guys do. So global come out of north is one of the largest producer through manufacturers and distributors of hemp derived canaveral. It's you know the aspect is very important. Because our capital it's it's from hemp and marijuana the government regulates differently we can ended across state lines and it can be used in a lot of the products that you're finding across the country pretty especially in nationally branded products. Is there still a stigma on this like you know. I guess when it first started you were you. Were kind of one of the first most people to see the CD as the next big thing. But there was a stigma of. Oh they're like dopers man so I mean today a it's so much more accepted. It's like I'm seeing you know from older people using them for is the right word. Medicinal use I don't know to younger people still or you know into this. Because they've always felt like you know that marijuana and him or both cool. So where does it stand in your eyes the statement it was r