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"mary carillo" Discussed on Ladies Room
"I but hey actually gonna come full circle now because there was talk of course after that Billie jean king win against bobby rates of uniting the atp tour with a new women's tour the very Congenially rejected that notion Out of superiority and now we come to. I think we're coming to a place where that's starting to be discussed a little bit more the possibility of joining tours the the events that are most exciting or the co ed events. I think and they do really well financially And i think during a pandemic. There's been more talk of that. You have any any thoughts on that mary. I mean roger. Federer tweeted out something last spring when the pandemic was shows starting and i thought it was actually disingenuous. He said hey. I've got an idea. He said something. I've got an idea. Why don't the adp in the wgn annandale like brunch. This is not the first time anyone has ever thought about this. I mean village in king wen. Tennis went pro wanted back. Then she's wanted this. Since you know late sixties early seventies and. She's talked about it forever. And billy billy genuine and a new book coming out. By the way this fall john howard's been writing it for awhile. It's going be good tasks on it to john. Another green american anyway But billie wanted right at the beginning and the men didn't want the women they didn't what why would we. Why would we share stuck with you. Why would we share sponsorship in airtime so the men have said no to the women. January since nineteen seventy and so for. God bless roger federer. He's he's a terrific guy but he didn't cook and nothing really happened by the way the nothing like there was no real traction on that there are nice people saying back and forth. And you're right jane. The best events the most successful events i should say are the mixed events where men and women get to compete at the same time in the same place and let's face it there. Aren't that many. There's maybe a dozen. Maybe it doesn't tennis tournaments in a calendar year that you know are going to turn a profit. The rest of them are right on the edge right on in some of them are going to go away. The smaller events that two fifty five hundred there on life support. Now you know because the for that for those to happen you still need a tv deal or you pay a big name a lot of money you.
"mary carillo" Discussed on Ladies Room
"And tragically. It worked great. I mean that's the thing right because we were seeing this in baseball and football or seen it. All this remote broadcast has been going on in soccer for a while. They did it for the world cup. I mean if it's sort of like working from home if if this works. Are we going to see people going back to cover live. It's so much savored. so much cheaper. I did the french. Open this fall. Again for nbc. Dan and i were in the stanford studio the third member of our broadcast team. John mcenroe was in malibu at his house. That's just obnoxious chip. That goes without saying what to get back to the story and again it was the same thing where we had to make. Sure we were all hearing each other and there wasn't a delay and then we have these big monitors and you know. John had a nice hook of in his house and at the we were doing eight days of coverage of the french open. It happens to be one of my favorite events now. Paris has a lot to do with that anyway. At the end of the show our producer. John mcguinness comes into the studio and says hey guys that worked out pretty well and i said to john. We're never going back to paris. Are we married mary. You gotta sell this like you know you. Where are you going to get your information though. See like running into people out in the night in the cafes. You're finding out so much information from people. The scuttle buds it informs your coverage at informs what we call it. This is a fine stopgap. But you gotta get back to pair. Not take more and you're right and i'm one of those people like i hang around that that's my that's what i do. I mean i. I am when i work for somebody you got. You know. i'll give you everything. I and i like hanging around. I like watching practice. I like going to the press conferences. I like talking to talking to my cohorts. You know you come to you. Come to the pressroom overtime. At wimbledon tried to a lot of times on the air. So you have to miss. It have to read the transcripts which is in the same thing but anytime i can hustle around and get into those press. Of course i want to be there and you know. I'll raise my hand and you know. Ask a goofy question just to you. Know whatever but I enjoy that. I i do i i enjoy that life and and again even when it comes back on what form you know how. Much lot of my friends are Are hurting a lot of have any. No it's it's hard if you've got to pay your own way to australia and try to try to sell stories. There's some americans over there. Jane as you know including karen krause good stuff there. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah so i might. I try to stay in touch with them. You know cheer on and make laugh. It's of there..
"mary carillo" Discussed on Ladies Room
"Good times ahead. We we have a super bowl you know. I'm not the biggest. Tom brady france fan. So i was kind of like tom brady again. But no matter how someone someone tweeted yesterday the bass tweet said like do. I like tom brady is a person no can i put that aside and appreciate his athletic ability and skill. Also no i just me. That is exactly how i don grady. Who on the extremely on brand after the game was like the only person who didn't have a mask on again 'cause the rules don't apply to top. Yeah but he hugged his son. That was such a sweet moment in forgave him and also bringing up around eleven to his house with wife and daughter because football's from him. But you know what. If i just sit around and think about that all the time i could never watch. Sports generally especially having covered the jets for seven years and been just had a front row seat to being tom brady. Whom most of the jets every well. No that's not true. The jets did win in two thousand and nine in Gillette stadium in the afc championship. That was a that was a that was an antibody moment. The one jets really truly antibody moment but But other than that. It's just been. I've had a front row seat to this career. As a matter of fact. I covered his first game. When was drew bledsoe was injured. Young men and that actually was playing the jets that day and he came in. He was wearing like a tweed jacket. Tweed like little cap like little newspaper. Boy boycott types he was. He was quintessential new england. Young man circa eighteen thirty is a newsies the for him at the combine when he stood there awkwardly in his underwear and that picture i get enough of a only. It's only cloth for in in his in his in his apparel his. His dress. sapir not. Yeah but anyway yes. So i feel like. I've had a long view the tom brady career and And so it's been it's been interesting to see for sure Maybe i don't have the same distaste for him that you do. But i see your point on on where you're coming from but it would be really tough for me because i've mused on him at this point having having so many witness. Somebody jets tears at the hand of tom brady. He just seems like the most unlikely guy to like. Look at that picture of him at the combine. And then be like. This is the greatest quarterback of your generation. Really that guy okay. Anyway we've got lots more stuff to talk about because we are going to find out relatively soon. I hope if we're going to have an olympics are not. we're going to talk with our guest. Mary carillo coming up right after this. We are back..
"mary carillo" Discussed on Ladies Room
"Talk welcome to yet another episode of the ladies room. Jane we seem to be back to doing these fast and furiously back back back to back again. But we've got so much stuff going on that we wanted to talk about Were just firing these things off so that we can get him out there before and changes and we have to do it all over again. There's a lot going on in. The world is forced right now as you may be aware so i think it gives us a lot of opportunity to talk about some good things happening in the news and the first thing. I think we probably should talk about. Is we have a super bowl matchup. Tom brady vs patrick mahomes. We're gonna get the whole narrative about the changing of the guard. The passing of the torch again the passing of the grass from the old goat to younger. The passing of the concussion. Water and the supplements and strawberries. Because you to not be able to play until you're fifty so that's a fun. Yeah but i mean it's a it's a great matchup. It's a really good story line going in. It makes you know this has been a really difficult environment for journalists. I think to be able to establish relationships in the same way. You can't maintain relationships in the same way you're not running into anybody and picking up stories here near the super bowl is going to be completely different. Usually at a super bowl you are. You're finding things out just by being out and about and that's going to be completely different this year and And i think it really. You know in some ways. It's helpful to have to have such a ready. Made storyline where you have two very well known quantities in homes and brady and the interest of the matchup where you really do think you have you know the one of the legends of the game vs a a real. You know somebody who could who could have that same sort of career and and so to me. Not only is interesting fans at home but at home. Not patrick mahomes getting. I'm getting my homes. I can have homes also interesting for them. But i think that it's I think that it's something that will be. you know. it will be a good a good easy list in some ways you don't have to necessarily You know approach this in a more tactful way the stories right there for you..
Zverev erases 2-set hole, will face Thiem in US Open final
"Just had two more Gargantuan. Grand Slam semifinals one of the best of five sets which was weird and not very wonderful and one straight-sets match, which was absolutely spelled binding and. Just had everything. I've seen a more dramatic thrill ride of a straight-sets match and what is left us with is Alexander Zverev coming back from two sets to love down. To beat public arena buster in five and then dominate team squeezing past Daniel Medvedev and a couple of tiebreaks to at least get something of an earlier night, which is not something that we're really used
"mary carillo" Discussed on No Challenges Remaining
"That that that that propaganda love it. Extra. G. Carrillo. You'll you'll be you'll be bloated. Ready to roll tomorrow for some epic. Semi finals. Yes, indeed. Yes, you gotTA. Only, pretty much one session or you know fewer singles matches left no more early days for US mostly. So now sleep off the food whatever it is Mary. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you also for being a I'm going to. Record the post part afterwards. But thank you for being Patriots Slam Champ Becker for us for awhile. Delight saying your name, every show you gotta kids are. You too. So thank you very much to Mary Carillo for taking time during her busy us open to spend with us here on NPR to her for being backer as we mentioned in you her name, the end of every show and thank you to all of the other people who have backed CR during this term a bunch of new backers to reporters from changer changes in the backer list should say some new backers I since we last recorded. They are Alexa Peyton, Margaret Ham Laurie. Mackenzie. So thank you to those three and then also to people beefed up their addition, they believe doubling them them. So thank you to James Hindle into Laya Williams, both of whom doubled their donation outside I get shots here as well, and you'll hear lay his name now in this list of Patriots. Slam Champ Akers. We read on every show Liz Kennel Jonathan Weidenbaum Mary Carillo Laya Williams Trunk New Win Betty. And Chamois Roy Joseph Har- Susannah W Antonio may cover as well as our goat backers Mike J. O. D. and Charles Sina again if you want to support NCR.
Novak Djokovic and the Adria Tour Antics
"Everyone John Wartime here is this week's sports illustrated tennis podcast hope everyone is well healthy wearing a mask not at a Belgrade disco topless, which I suppose is where we ought to start Jamie I'm glad you're you're with me today. How's everything in your world? It is good I. AM also not in a Belgrade club dancing around in close quarters. Shouting. Indoors So, that's a win I. You know I had wanted to do A. Normal podcast. We're going to talk to Donald Dell longtime agent. He had some very interesting thoughts about how to merge the ATP and the WPA we were GonNA talk about. The plan for the US Open and tennis getting back in there some events this week. We were talking about the Patrick. marauded lose event, and the Charleston ended in of course everything blew up metaphorically and I. Guess You could say in a sense literally with news from from the Balkans this weekend which we probably timestamped us, we are speaking on. What is today Wednesday morning the right as cracked. So we are seventy two hours into this Kindly, call it a narrative I spoken a lot about this. I've written about this I will say before we can talk. Specifics I'm very surprised at the stem, and this is really world news. I mean I was getting calls. From Aljazeera the BBC and then I just Mary. Carillo is on MSNBC Today. Mean is really become much more than tennis story. For better worse I would argue worse, but this really has been. The kind of story had ripples beyond the the sport and beyond sports period I think a lot of people are. Sort of trying to figure out how we eat back to normal I think we're trying to see I think we're starting to see some real. Sort of disparities in countries, and even here in the United States with how this is not only being managed, and not only with the data says, but just in terms of philosophy, so I think this is the story of really found its way into into a much broader story, and this has become absolutely world news. I mean this is as big as a ten stories we've had since there's been a match and I guess what why don't we just start there? I, mean Jamie. Let's start with. Top Line Impressions of the Adria Tour Novak Djokovic in the last seventy two hours. Yeah you're right to say that tennis exhibitions don't normally get this much press. I think it's always a funny thing with antennas. When people you know who aren't as familiar with the sport, they see results from from an Axa, whether it's early in the year late in the year, and you know somebody, beat, someone, and most people just sort of shrug it off, but it's as you said really interesting to see how much this has really gone across the world. World and everyone is talking about it and rightfully, so because this is a big issue in I think it was from the Gecko, when we started to see the photos and the videos of everything that was happening between the hugging and everything that was happening on the court, and then of course everything that was happening all off the court. All of those images in those photos are really going to be the mark of this event of this tournament. And jovovich whether or not he deserves all of the blame or not will also be the face of this issue for a long time coming he is the organizer of this event of course, and also the oldest in terms of the players that was there and for me. That was something that you know. He really needed to use his his advantage, and the the younger players thereof and born Cora and others even Dmitrov for what it's worth. You know are are younger than him. They look up to him and for him to invite these players to come to this tournament in for him to organize this in the way that he did end to have the results that we had is just It's not great, and I wish that the best tennis player you know the number one in the world right now had thought a little bit more about how he was exposing all these people. It's unsafe conditions and took a little bit more time to think about how what the results and the repercussions of this could have been. Yeah I mean I think no-one covered themselves in glory. I mean there's already been a lot of finger. Pointing joke of its father have having moved on from from fettered. Baby is now pointing fingers at Dmitrov as the culprit, I mean this is just ugly stuff I. Mean I think we ought to pause here in and say we do hope everyone makes. A speedy and easy recovery as as nick, curious I wrote. Nick curious turned into the the Wiseman of tennis Munich. curios thoughts on all of this have been. A lot more reasonable and responsible than anyone else's and the nick curious very rightly says this virus is not a joke, so. Go further. Let's be clear. We hope everybody makes a a quick recovery from virus that we know you know. Six figures over is can be fatal. having said all that I think I mean it's sort of interesting in the grand scheme of things, people who are casual fans or not even sports fans at all. This is hubris recklessness, and here's this athlete who somehow has been living in. Sick enough bubble so that he doesn't realize it. You can pass this on other people and hey. Viruses are really contagious and things like masks really work
Pam Shriver - US Open finalist aged 16, winning Olympic Gold, and partnering Martina Navratilova
"Thank you so much for doing. This is an absolute treat to have you come and yeah in very strange circumstances obviously for everybody in the world not just the tennis world. You're joining us from California. I believe how how things over there. How has lockdown? How you coping the situation and the lack of tennis in La Lives. Well I would say over all I'm really proud of my three teenagers at a time. When teenagers want to distance themselves from their parents. They've accepted what has to be done. I feel like California in the mayor of Los Angeles I live. We live in Los Angeles. So we've had some leadership both at the state level and and at the city level that has been really strong very consistent and I think that's one of the reasons why Are Part of the United States is actually done much better than expected in pleased that the generation who the order to stay at home. It's really counterintuitive to what they want but There's been a lot of acceptance in I can tell you as a homeowner sixteen years ago bought up property with a private tennis court. Tennis court is one of the reasons why a couple of us in the family have kept better sanity. How much you missing professional tennis right now? Well you know I missed Indian. Wells would have been an easy drive. I missed that one. The most I will tell you because of the business of my home life regardless of a pandemic or even if I'm just driving my three kids around and The the level of detail that I would follow the tour from week to week is not as detailed as it would be like when I worked for ESPN at Melbourne and maybe look the weeks leading up to Melbourne. I knew what was going on in the lead up tournament so for me personally. I haven't missed it that much but we haven't yet gone past one of the tournaments. I think would impact us the most which would be say for for me. Roland. Garros Wimbledon. I mean I thought the tennis will did a great job of I mean it was tough call for Indian Wells. I remember that Sunday night when it was called It took everybody by little bit by surprise but it just started the domino effect of what this virus in the effects on the world sports It just started a series of closures around the world yet studying to look like a very pristine cooled by by that tournament. Looking at your Your social media. You look like you've taken the opportunity during lockdown to have the most neatly and cleanly arranged trophy show in all of Iraq in Pam. Yeah one of my first during lockdown one of the first things I was thinking. Well little things can I post What content would be interesting and I thought all right well. My mantle pretentious fans would be interesting to see The the major championship doubles trophies. Most support try one with Martina. There was a US Open with a net. Pashas vary of there was some Fed Cup stuff. There was recognition of our Grand Slam doubles year as well as the year. I got the finals of US. Open in singles at Sixteen. So I thought it was kind of a fun tour and I guess most of the stuff I posted that one had the most views in. I think it just shows you how much people want to see one way or another or or touch any way major tennis. He absolutely in all of these things that that you just mentioned there. I I really want to talk about. I in first and foremost your your partnership with Martina Navratilova. Seventy four doubles titles together including Twenty Grand Slams. You're you're still the most successful women's doubles partnership of all time. What what made you such a great partnership the too well. I think there are a lot of things I think when you look at how we played our singles The style of play with serve volley back in the eighties. That was kind of. That's how you play doubles back then too so it was really Our our singles games translated into being great doubles players. Naturally the lefty righty combination. If you look in tennis history whether it's nukem Roach whether it's the Brian twins whether it's McEnroe Fleming There's a lot of great Lefty righty doubles teams. I just think you know the choice of who serves the sun's tougher righty. There's just a lot of things that are beneficial to having a lefty righty Our personalities you don't have a partnership that long if your personalities don't gel well We enjoyed each other Our senses of humor clicked in. There are a lot of those matches through the years where we would play after. Martina was the featured match at night So we played and we had to wait late night tennis So if you didn't enjoy each other and our coaches got along. Well obviously we had teams. That were much smaller back then. My team was generally just one Martino. It's one of the first that brought in teams of more than one But our team's got along well and so it just led to who knew that January eighty-one with lead to what it ended up leading to it was I think ultimately nineteen eighty that Martina. Kool G to US could be your your partner partner. What do you remember about that? Phone call was at Deer Creek Country Club in Deerfield Beach Florida having a late practice and I'm a member. Lee Jackson longtime referee for the tour and She came out and You know years and years before anyone has self owner yet said Martinez on the phone and I mean whoever is practicing with the it was the practice was abandoned Iran in got it got on the phone. And W T tour office and You know she asked me. She doesn't mix her words. She didn't learn a lot of pleasantries. Just asked me if I had that commitment to doubles partner for the next year and I said no I did not. I had just the. Us Open just a month prior. I'd gotten into the finals with Betty Stove in Betty Stove his last tournament. And we lost Billie Jean King and Martinez. I think it was six six or five and five and I think that was probably the last indicator. Martina needed that. She she she was looking for. A younger partner was starting. Her career could play for a period of time and so it was obvious it. I didn't even have to break commitment. Thank God because if I'd had a commitment to somebody I mean that would have been a tough a tough one to pass on playing doubles with Martina. So I'm glad it worked out that I didn't have a commitment to a partner confessed to a tip off from for Mary Carillo but she has suggested that that I ask you about asking Martina to sign a cocktail Napkin to seal to seal team together forever. Yeah well we had already been together a long time because we we. We went through a stage at think Springtime of eighty four. We lost in the tournament of Champions in Orlando. We didn't lose again for over two years so I think it was. One hundred nine straight matches When we hit a one hundred wins and it was in Eastbourne so the tournament director George. Tendon threw a party for us that night. And we were celebrating To to the history of tennis no one can remember doubles team ever hitting one hundred wins in a row so A I decided to take that moment. I wrote a contract on a on a peeper. Napping it says I'M MARTINA NAVRATILOVA. Promise always to play doubles with Pam. Shriver and I had a witness line. The George Hendon was signed in as I stood up to give the toast and give the contract Martinez in my head ended up in a lamp shade so it was kind of like it was funny and it was. I have that I have. I still have that cocktail napkins somewhere. But it's back in Baltimore. My hometown Collecting dust but will not be thrown out. One hundred nine matches is is truly extraordinary April nine hundred ninety three to July one thousand nine hundred five did you did you feel. Invincible is a team. Well a lot of those matches we went into the matches knowing we were going to win them. But there was a handful that were incredibly dicey and I remember one in particular that was Right in the middle while it was about win number seventy five and it was in Madison Square Garden against our longtime rival. They were generally the number two team behind us. For many of those years Souckova Elena Sakaba Claudia. Coda kill and we came down to a tiebreak in the final set and I remember it was five. All it was late in the tie-break whenever I was returning and Martina just said return it low and I'm going to go and I'm like yes ma'am you know like you WanNa. That was great. It was like a plan now. Of course then you still have to execute but I remember as soon as I hit the return like that's going to be a low. It was a good return. Sheet timed or poach perfectly. Put It away and then we won the next point on serve so that was the hairiest moments that was when we came within two points of losing. But other than that. I don't remember match where we were like. Matchpoints down we. We won a lot of those matches during that streak in
"mary carillo" Discussed on The Tennis Podcast
"I don't know what I genuinely. I know I'm maybe I'm supposed to be kind of insider I have no idea how much tennis's credential tennis is going to be played this year. Yeah no none of us to what one of the thing. I just wanted to ask you Mary. You mentioned In the first part of this show just just in passing having been at the funeral of Jeannie Evert's the sister of Chrissy ever. It's an I just wondered if you could give Allison's a little bit of insight says to the person that she was an memories of her because we heard her name oversee when she passed away. We heard the details of of the fact that she played. I didn't know an awful lot. Better but Jonah. Stadium is terrific again. She's I just turned sixty three gene. You would've been sixty three in October. A couple years younger than her famous sister And I have been to win. Chrissy loss her dad. A couple of years ago I was at I went to that funeral as well and Chrissy you know. She's one of my favorite people. I Love Chrissy Martina. I'm lucky enough to have really gotten to know that. Well and I knew Jimmy ever. That guy looked his tennis watched a lot of it and when Chrissie went to the podium not including in church when she went to give her eulogy her and I'm thinking how she gonNa pull this off and she did with great grace and sweetness and she did the same thing just earlier this year with Jeanie Jeanie had been battling terrible cancer for a couple of years. She was a terrific junior player when she was fifteen she be Mortgage Corp. She didn't have the same focus as crecy choose very short. She was only about five one. So you know you could kind of. She can get overpowered but oil. She was terrific and There was a famous quote where Jimmy Evert. Were trying to convince his younger daughter that she could be great too. She could be a champion and Jeannie famously said back to Jimmy but I WANNA be happy. That men were to her and imagine being Chris Evert kid sister. I mean I can't be an easy thing to follow. The Tracy gave a beautiful speech The church was packed for genius funeral. Martinez had been skiing in Aspen and she came Pam Shriver took the red eye from.
"mary carillo" Discussed on The Tennis Podcast
"Springs to mind wise that it was a same frigging point over and over again and I tell you what it got to the point. I was calling Oliver. Forget this was a couple years ago. Hardcore match rounded is ner on They're both lovely fellows. I'm sure this takes nothing away from. I'm sure they have both had sparkling personalities. Who's the same damn point over and over again and I was calling it with Lindsay Davenport on runs Ademi and Paul annacone on the other and we were all trying to take the match Seriously but I made there was no rally it was just rally loose and artless and an Paul annacone who's usually a very straight up kind of meat and potatoes Guy. You know at a certain point. I'm trying to insinuate that. Maybe there are more tactics involved more. Subtlety than what we're seeing. So I and Lindsey Giving me this and every now and then she's she'll give you the finger during a match of you say something like after a question litterbug loss but and tried to say something like well. Maybe you know the serving pattern is an impulse that nope no. There's no none of that. I am trying to breathe the little bit of life. I'm putting the paddles to this match. You know anyway as you know. There's a cough back button when you don't WanNa go over the air. Let people hear you either cursing or laughing or whatever we wrote the cough back but all three of us for about ten years utter silence until someone finally won the tiebreak. And I said we'll be back to answer.
"mary carillo" Discussed on The Tennis Podcast
"Where you don't have to see. It profoundly Welfare Trauma. I had so little to do with that. It was just great. It was great. Where does it like Rankin us? Sort of lifetime. Memories in an achievements like tennis included like is it. Is it a sort of pleasant footnote or is it number one or is it somewhere? In between it's it's it's highly pleasant. It was as I like to say. Catherine it was John McEnroe's first major title and tragically was my last you know. Let's not quibble now. It was a nice. I don't honestly I didn't play long and I didn't play that well. I knew there were. I was riding on rims. My knees terrible in highschool so. I knew there was very little time I could play professional tennis. I skipped college tennis. Because that's all on hard courts and I knew I I blow out my knees before I ever got a chance to as I said as I told you earlier like play Wimbledon so I I mean it because of what I did I do love it. I miss it now. I miss it this year. I it's it's there is a the late great Robert B Parker. I Dunno if you you know much in in England. But he's fun- he's a terrific. He was miss terrific mystery writer he aqap kind of upsetting robbery. He made he's a good writer best-selling altered in this country. He died a couple of years ago but he wants he loved baseball. Here's a Boston Red Sox. He loved baseball and and every season you know he said it's Is Most important thing that doesn't matter and I. I guess I always felt that back in the grand scheme of things. I guess it doesn't matter but for me it's the most important thing it doesn't matter that's perfect. Catherine needs a bathroom break. I'll thanks outing me David. I'll be quick. I'm just giving you giving you an opportunity. Should I carry on? I'm just going to carry out now. We get to talk about it. She she can come back because the next rolling rolling rolling on the next question is from pull Warren on twitter. Who Says I would love to hear about the difficult decision to retire because of injury and to take the step into broadcasting and how that happened look broadcast..
"mary carillo" Discussed on The Tennis Podcast
"Donna thank you one of kickstarter backers at the intro level at the start of this year when things seemed as though they were GonNa be fantastic for twenty twenty and now look what's happening. Well anyway what we are doing is bringing you the tennis podcast every single week. We are going to continue at the Grand Slams. Even if there aren't Grand Slams I'll tell you more about that in a minute we've got Mary Carillo. Qna part two coming your way. Today we've had so many lovely messages from you. All thank you very much for all of them including from Brown who works in a hospital in Dublin and island. How about this so lovely to hear from somebody? Who's helping us to to keep going at the moment. And she brought a tear to our which some very kind words about the podcast and and what? It's meaning to her. So thank you very much. Browner Catherine Matt. How're you doing David? Okay excellent the. I mean you'd be surprised to hear the same same. Okay me so I'll carry the can for that we did. I did twenty full minutes of exercise today. And that's such a break from. What's been the norm since lockdown that? I'm feeling very very pleased with myself. Which is pitiful absolutely pitiful but they gay in sports were makes a change from lounge. Wear very cool sports. Yes I'm wearing my. Usa Pin 2017. Parole jacket which is one of the cool things that I and I think it's one of the all time best ever tennis kit ranges since with the with the exception of the Alexander. Sheriff knee high socks which I think he will face first round night match and then renege on the commitment after that because he he wisely realized litany I seem but every every other item in that range with great. I think I think right so I've just described myself as a conic as I sit here during his licking anything last wearing his tennis. Podcast Hoodie. Matt maybe you can tell me who will what is ferrall ferrall. Sings happy right. He's he's an American singer. Rapper and he got he got involved with designing that that line in twenty seventeen. Vi- colorful okay. I think I'm a bit before it was the best thing about that. Usa Pen wasn't it weird US Open. I'm thinking I'm probably before that time. Hence why I'm so excited about our new launch today. Which is to tell you all about what's going to be happening in the months and weeks and maybe years to come. It's in the absence of actual life tennis to talk about as well as our a Q. And A. Part Two with Mary Carillo which is coming up now and in a couple of weeks. We've got our own listener questions which we recorded. Pre Corona Vice virus outbreak. Now goodness knows well. That sounds like now. It'd be interesting to ever listen back. That's coming up in a couple of weeks time. The first question is which tended the first question is which tends to be most advise a fan to to visit David without skipping a beat goes Rome to Rome guys. Not Current Advice Still Love. It still love it. Just don't do it in twenty twenty. The fact is we're looking back in order to look forward because over the next few months. We are going to be launching tennis. Relive tear on the centers podcast. It'll start next week on Miami finals weekend. That should have been and in keeping with that. We're going to go back to nineteen ninety nine nine hundred nine. And the first ever final between Serena and Venus Williams. We're also going to watch. Andy Murray against AVID FARRAH FROM MIAMI. In two thousand thirteen which was an absolute classic. So we're going to watch certain or against Venus at eight o'clock. Uk Time on Saturday. Three o'clock on the east coast of the United States. And we're going to go and watch anime against our for on Sunday. Who's got to answer the phone doorbell? Which makes no sense to earth would be visiting. I'll just go see. Let us know how fascinated I I mean. Who could who could possibly be someone? You should be ushering away. I think. Yeah somebody you should be keeping your oak door close to ivy someone with a big party jigs. Catherine has been going jigsaw crazy this week. She's completed one point. Nine nine nine jigsaw past week one of them. A one thousand piece jigsaw complete and a one thousand piece Jigsaw nine hundred and ninety nine pieces complete in the other ones lost under the bed somewhere. I will never sleep soundly until I know what happened to that. Piece of lamp. Shade is is the is the nine hundred ninety nine peace part of the Jigsaw still in its entirety and just sitting there I've done. I've done a full jigsaw and started on a third one since then. But what did you do with the one that was nine hundred ninety nine per pieces complete? Did you check the sites and felt smoked for about a minute and then put in the box and got out new on voter someone on twitter very kindly offered to send you the missing piece because they had just completed the same pixel yet. Yeah I I'M NOT GONNA lie did hover over that offer before realizing that self respect is at the moment so. I don't want to relinquish mine too soon into lockdown. I'll save it for like Jean. Okay so in our self respect. We're going to be in pajamas watching swimming against Venus at eight o'clock on Saturday. Uk Time if you'd like to watch with US WE'RE GONNA be sharing the links around on our social media channels and and in fact if you look down you show notes. We'll stick them in there as well. So you know what we're going to be watching them and in our newsletter this week Saturday night ice o'clock UK time sooner against Venus. Then Andy Murray against our for four o'clock on Sunday then we'll talk about them on the tennis. Podcast MATT has already been researching these these matches in these plays and and I'm going to be trying to find the dregs of my memory to to come up with whatever anecdotes I can. And we will relive them as part of tennis relieves. We're going to be daily during the French Open. The should've pain. And if we have a real French Open in twenty twenty as well. We'll bring you daily episodes from that as well live on the French. Open daily podcasts in one year awesome. Let's do it so I thought that if the French Open we're going to happen in September you would say oh well that's that's not the tennis relived in. May June. It's just save it all up for September but but now Knight Knight. David wants to D- tennis lived and retail call white. We can only dream of tennis lived. There's no it's it's great. I'm excited about tennis relieved. I need to do research because I wasn't alive for most of these matches that were going to be talking about extreme. It's GONNA be awesome. I can in the spirit of it math. I can maybe show you some of the films. I was watching when I was fifteen as well and This belt says Oh junk. Van Damme fills films in Areas Matt loosely. It's now okay. He does bear adverts. Lots of enthusiasm. So that's all we're going to have the monte-carlo funnel weekends we'll have Fed Cup relived. We'll have Madrid's Rome GonNa have everything before Before we get into that the daily editions at the French Open who knows we may end up. Having Wimbledon relieved as well because News coming to. Us reportedly from Simon Briggs over the weekend that Wimbledon are expected to cancel their event. This week They'RE GONNA have. They announced last week that they were going to have an emergency board meeting at some point this week. Which is reported in Simon's piece is being on Wednesday And the All England Club. It's saying their statement that they were not going to hold the event behind closed doors. They also pointed out the difficulties in postponing the tournament because of the nature of Grass Court tennis and obviously the they need a certain amount of lighten. There are so many logistical challenges in order to postpone so whether that is a possibility we don't know yet but it sounded as though that that would be a heck of an ask It may turn out that they find a way to to try to buy themselves a bit more time and see if they can still hold the event but But that's what Simon is reporting. Is that the expectation is that they will cancel so if they do then we'll be bringing even more tennis realtor here on tennis podcast. And we've got loads of ideas to try to keep things interesting. We'll bring you as many interviews as we can as well but yeah what we will do is later in the week. If that ends up happening we will bring you another show so that we can properly look at what that means for the tennis. Well because the so much to talk about we'd like to talk to some of the people within the game as well and Simon hopefully in order to just get a real sense of where we are now because we already know. We've gotten a tennis until the start of June as things. Stand so huge story Already this the corona virus globally obviously and the rest of the world but having a significant defense in tennis as well. So shall we have a listen to second part with Merica Real? I don't want to be a big Downer before that. Should we just quickly mention that? The Olympics has been canceled efficiently. Or your picks. Yeah we've got about the Olympics. Catherine well done yes. The Olympics cancelled sorry Katherine and that was That's something that you've been keeping you awake at nights and Yeah I mean that is the big story. Isn't it since we will with you? Know huge surprise but but still jarring. Isn't it when you actually hear it's happened? Yeah well I mean really hasn't been keeping me awake at night ready because it's funny. It's funny how quickly you adapt to a new normal we were saying about how shocking the cancellation of Indian Wells felt at the time. And how seen that felt like it was sort of always inevitable. And the Olympic cancellations Felton evitable for for a long time and I was kind of pretty numb to the news when it actually broke which is just Democra- of if Wehre told me at the start of the Olympics wasn't going to happen. I would have descended so deep into a pit of despair. You probably wouldn't have been able to to pull me out of it for some time. I'd if I'd have felt sick out of sobbed give. He knows but you know when the knees finally hit last week kind of folk pretty numb about Radian my reading feeding right now because as we record a Monday this morning we got news that they have set dates for the Olympics in the summer of twenty twenty one pretty much the the the parallel dates just just twelve twelve months home from when they they were supposed to be. I feel really invigorated by that. It feels like the first Daffodil of springs somehow just something concrete. Even if it's eighteen months away which it is I think even the most pessimistic experts touch words a pretty confident that we'll be. We'll be three this and and and back to hopefully something like normality by then so it feels like it's sure enough that it's worth looking forward to even if it's faraway and things to look forward to at the moment are few and far between because everything is on such shaky uncertain ground so actually. I mean somehow I'm I mean grasping positives is a silver lining is kind of the theme of our times. Isn't it but I'm feeling a lot of silver linings about the Olympic situation at the moment. Yeah I think it was the I think. Jonathan new wrote a piece about a month ago where he said that the notion of the Olympics being postponed is like abolishing frahm. Something was the most the expression used and and yet it didn't fail bake did it because it's just been seven evitable for the last few weeks And I think for tennis. It's good that it's found the same slot in the calendar next next year. There was some debate over whether they might have a spring Olympics which would obviously with a lot of tennis events but if if they've slaughtered it in in the same but of the calendar that's that's good for tennis feels a bit like everything that goes up has to come down you know..
"mary carillo" Discussed on The Tennis Podcast
"Is that? How many players can you say that about me? But I mean it's it seemed right in the moment and I have a feeling I feel strongly David that I can say. I haven't heard Nick Bollettieri. Say about her. But I think Coco Golf may have the eye of the tiger. The that you know she's going to have that printed t shirts the next line whatever that might be. It could be blake brackets. I've the tiger at the elements elephants. I like comportment the the Yes. I'm always I am naturally cautious of of anybody. That young playing with that amount of attention but she just seems to love it and I. I hope that continues at one of the reasons. I'm cautious is because I I am old enough to remember the early interviews with Jennifer Capriati after matches where she seemed like she absolutely loved it she seemed a fund loving kid to me and then it changed and and you just don't know do well. Eh David again. I think they're so many so many people agents parents would ever have been able to witness all of these other players fall through every pothole. I'm Jennifer turned pro a few weeks before her fourteenth birthday signed an oil of Olay contract. That's a makeup allina skin care line and I mean she's going through. I mean she's the next year. She felt all the stress of the fame of her contracts. She was supporting her family. Her skin broke out. So the Orlova laypeople. And you're like. What did you think was going to happen? Kids fourteen. You know I don't I just don't see The Golf Ball club making those kinds of mistakes there. There've been too many obvious and and again I think Coco's built were I think she's I think she's got a very good sense of To Catherine's point it seems like you can watch getting more comfortable more more confident smarter during the course of a match. You know she'll play. She'll play a second set much better than later. I that kind of stuff. That's more fingers crossed. We don't know about the knows yet of the of the tiger we got. We got to watch this. I found it quite full. Found that quite moving to hear about copyright because when we over the last in the last year. I've had her on a list of just people. I would love to interview on this show one day. I don't know her at all. I've not come across a part from in passing. Maybe one interview about fifteen years ago with what she's doing now. I know one of my colleagues tried to track down in an safe he could get into. It didn't get anywhere. Close any tried really hard and and you know it's it's very much that just isn't something that will will will likely happen but I I do really wish her well because it's it just I think people don't sometimes realize they when they're watching these people on the screen. They're real people at times. It was Jennifer Capriati. That that got me into tennis. I- situ also my mom to put my hair into two platz just like Jennifer Capriati Climbing yeah that's pretty good mass. It was It was rough on the Dow for you. Wasn't it you close. Yes in fact I either throwing him right under the clothes. I was sorting out my bookshelf. Today as you do when you're in self-isolation and I found a picture of my first ever trip to Wimbledon with my grandma and I was wearing three calls an trousers after after the Dow. Thankfully not a sleeveless sleeveless shirt with no guns pirate trousers. My My dad played a veteran squash match a few years probably about ten years ago now whenever the pirate trousers were thing and his opponent showed up emphasis on veterans His opponent tradeoff wearing the full the full deal including the sleeveless tank. Not sure everyone can really pull that up. By the way. When Adidas came out with the famous Agassi Denim shorts. Remember your remember those right back in the ninety. I'm sorry yeah. The night. The famous Nike Shorts. Were supposed to go to John McEnroe really. They were made for John and he tried them and he thought it was. Maybe yeah he thought maybe the Denim Wood storks and it Kinda sweated and all that is our. Let's give it to this this other kid. Let's get this young kid Agassi. How how did how different could history be if standards at the same about the French Open? Sure I you're talking about stance Miss Adidas. You know you're going with RINCA. Yeah fifties. John McEnroe was playing champions events wearing the Dow three-quarter Francis. We'll give him credit and say that was an aberration. Well don't worry matter. I actually tried to dress up like Andre Agassi Circa nineteen ninety-two with the hair. Could you imagine somebody less suited took time? You were trying to do hugh grant her. They weren't dissimilar to be quite honest. Particular point earlier here inferences or the same. It's all the same look just different end today. I'm just grow this person. Try to use some product and almost thirty years later hair is an issue again. David is it. Well you said on what you were going to cats in your own hair in the next the next week or so well. It just suddenly occurred to me. Self-isolation got no choice. So everyone's real heckler is. That's what my mom said to me. Day and Clippers arrived today. How many Sports people are GONNA come back from this haters with mysteriously more and indeed. We're we're not even halfway through the questions. I'm afraid what we're GONNA do. We're going to pause right there at the end of this part one of the tennis podcast. And what am I signed? Up for many parts of Rut with. She's had David Ghezzi Mary oil. This is Dave so I I have this on a daily basis. Another expert yes. We'll be back with another tennis. Podcast next week. Thanks for listening to this one and we'll speak to you..
"mary carillo" Discussed on The Tennis Podcast
"As nick explained to me. Maybe Chapel Hill that she was like nine years old. I'd call her that that on the air entirely too many times. But even Max Thought. Why are you doing this you know you? Can't she had to change your serve so many times to try to find something that wouldn't hurt her so yeah the Maria thing was looking back. I always thought the first line in her job it would be that she she was out. She got suspended from the Tour for doping. I just don't know that that's true anymore. Maybe an I have a generous outlook on her anyway. I didn't really like. I thought her game is inelegant but she did ally things well and a lot of things right and I think she'll be remembered for those things more than the fact that she got caught taking nonni McConnell of weeks after it was banned. I I liked her. Actually I told you the story about For the Sochi Olympics I was asked to do a feature on Maria because that was her hometown. Or she wasn't born there but she lived there for a long while and NBC. Sports had asked for two half days for Maria. We wanted to see the courtroom. She learned how to play tennis and the circus where she is to go into a kid and we went to a restaurant and the shift. They're taught US Maria favorite dish. I was awful Involving anyway we asked for two half days and on both those days we finish early. 'cause she was so good and so on it as soon as we started rolling and I just couldn't believe how good she was She understood nearly. She talked all the socialites around her in the end anyway she came to the International Broadcast Center a couple of days later when we were still editing. The piece in she came into the edit suite and we showed that we had found some old video of the circus that she used to go to a kid and she stayed and watched for that for awhile and we showed her how much of the peace. We'd already finished editing. And she thanked us. You know for doing such a a nice job with her hometown story. There is Maria Sharapova stories like that that I'm going to hang onto because I think there was a lot to actually. Isn't it interesting that I had an interview? That John Worth I did on his podcast with with her agent maxine but the other day and I came out of it and I thought why is this guy never done an interview like that before and actually revealed himself to be kind of interesting to listen to and and I now feel like I I understand him and I understand her more than I did about forty minutes ago and here I am listening to you? Talk About Maria Sharapova that I don't know despite having covered up for sixteen years since she won Wimbledon. She doesn't do these kind of interviews. She doesn't the side of her. That you've described. I don't think many people out and by the way Max is very funny. Marie always call the Maximilian. But Max is. He's he's very funny. He's put up with all kinds of nonsense he runs. Img Tennis now. So you can imagine what he's all the whack a doodle stuff. He's gotTa deal with all the time. But I'll tell you one more marine story that I think underscores how much personality she had for diligent. King seventy fifth birthday last year. We had a couple of spoke of their. There are all these different. People McEnroe spoke. I gave a quick little speech. There was a comedian who came on right before Maria Ria and she started making Putin jokes. You know Russia jokes. Whatever so Maria shows up on the stage next is I can't believe you invite a rush into this thing. But then she proceeds to tell a bunch of stories. My favorite which is when Maria was about eleven years old. She was at this big tennis. It was a big clinic for all kinds of juniors and Billie Jean walked out on the court and watched her play. And you know billy. She's it's unbelievable. Cheerleader anyway was telling Maria oh good it hit and I think you should change your forehand a little bit you know. Cover the ball more whatever. And you're very skinny. And you know maybe you should eat more hamburgers. And then she left the court and a whole bunch of the kids descended upon Maria Sharapova and said what did she saying and Maria had no idea who she was and ten who was that and they started explained the greatness ability and King and everything. She's done they said so. What did she tell you said she told me to eat more.
"mary carillo" Discussed on The Tennis.com Podcast
"I think we're doing better. I do. I think again there are so many platforms there are so many people like me and like you and a lot plenty of women are are covering it. Plenty of women are making their names in sports. You know Billie. Jean King always said that until unless team sports really get acknowledged women's team sports only then will we have made it and I don't know about you but I love. I love the NBA I love women's hockey. I go crazy crazy at the Winter Olympics for for the American women cause and the Canadian I mean I've gotten to know some of them. As well. In Women's basketball is just insane. I Love Women's figure skating women's gymnastics the American women the last bunch of Olympics. They've just been ruling so it's out there and it's getting better. I think it's getting more knowledged that and the Olympics and the Olympia Tokyo you're going I over it. I've already it been. I've already shot three features. I was already. I was already in Tokyo Osaka and Kyoto. Oh yes coming coming coming to an Olympics near you on NBC next summer. I've already learned how to become a sumo wrestler a Samurai Warrior and I was also there this spring for Cherry blossom time in Kyoto which was one of the prettiest I've been to Kyoto before but never during Cherry blossom season which only lasts a couple of days I I. I'm lucky I'm very much looking forward to to Tokyo. That's the coolest thing you get to already be part of it. You're going to be all over that event and some people don't ever get to go to Olympic Games and you're going to be my fifteenth. Oh my Gosh I told you I'm elderly is more than tennis. Yeah you're going to be doing I. I I'll be covering. I'm doing features. the first eight days is tennis and so obviously. I'm looking forward to that and the reception that Naomi Osaka's GonNa get and where the Roger Federer has got a huge Japanese clothing contract what he's going to be a big deal there will likely be the final. Olympics for the Williams sisters Venus's hoping to get there for for Ross for Roger for I mean it's going to be tennis. I think is going to be a big deal in Tokyo at the Olympic Games next summer. Mer but I also cover I already know I'm covering open water marathon swimming. I did in Rio and it is. It's is just you try to cover that. There's there's they start on the beach. nope there's no therein swimtrunks so and I don't know who these people are these crazy people and they jump into the ocean and there's no lanes. You try to keep track of that. What are you gonNA say don't drown and as a couple of hours so we don't stay with it. You know we come in and out and cover the and then I thank God I work. I did in real with Rowdy Gaines and I'll do with him again. In Tokyo Oh Kyo it is one of the most you try to you. Try to research that event and then so and you show them in the Rio told solution in the story said he had to tell about that and then all of a sudden. There's this mad rush you have to you have to swim up to this electron thing and and slap your hand against that's how you get electrically and all of a sudden rowdy gaines is going crazy in the last two minutes because we have people spotters telling us who's who's who and you can't tell there in the ocean. There's a all look exactly the I mean it is I have never covered an event that confused me more and I've covered a a lot of sports and it was one of the greatest experiences my wit at the end of the whole thing we're both like looking at each other and heaving and I'm like what the what the hell does happen and then the next day we did like it was the first it was the men's and the women's we had to do all over again and somehow the producer and said hey guerrilla good job. You'll do it again in Tokyo. I'm there like what did I just do here. In real accepts fun. It sounds fun sounds confusing. I do you ever say no. You're like I'M NOT NO I. It's very rare that I'll turn something down. I and that's what I the the thing I tell people trying to get into. This is more than anything anything. If I'm giving a speech or of somebody asked me. You know what I said. Just say yes say yes if you can't do it. They'll tap you on the shoulder and get get you gone but but to say yes experience it and work hard and be curious and do your thing say yes mary. How would you like to cover the downhill. Yes what are you know yes. Do you speak Mandarin. Of course I do say and do it and and if you're you know if they like you they'll probably that you hang around getting nervous again. I only get nervous if I don't feel like I've done my homework and if I if I feel prepared and I've done everything I can do yeah to me in a cover up cover open water marathon swimming. Why not who better than me on Fayette. This isn't place to end say yes. Nina Pantic just continue to say yes I mean I think that's a perfect way to end this podcast a slow. I've really appreciate your time pleasure and you've given us a lot of lessons and things to think about. I think definitely me. That's all that matters. Here's what I think so. I think it's great. I'll see you again soon all right guys that was Mary Carillo an awesome episode of interview with her and now Irena now are going to look back a little bit okay and Rehash and react to some of the bigger points that we talked about because I wasn't able to make it for the interview to scheduling conflicts so we're going to rehash iffy things America I mean. She is such a big deal. In the tennis world in the commentating world she does dog shows. She does softball. She does open swimming marathon to be able to do so many different different sports and have so many different gateways to have that platform is truly unbelievable so the fact that she had that many people. I remember you called me. You were like she honestly had about eight to ten different. People stop her after her match to ask her questions into have a few minutes overtime. We're time I mean. She is a big deal. It was one of the most interesting experiences have had at the US Open was when I met up with her first because a bunch of people literally flocked to her and it was as if she was one of the players they were so excited to see her three to five minutes with her to just shy and for interview stories obviously but it was kind of those things right now like hey. This woman is in high demand. I need to get this done and it was a great experience for me. Because I am a big fan of hers. We asked her about who she you. Star struck by any kind of the reason I asked her that was because I'm a little bit star struck by her in the coolest coolest way possible the fact that she star strike with a peanut peanuts cartoonist. Art Tunis Charles Schultz was fun. I don't know who I'd pay you know. Who would you pick to be honest anytime. I see I'm just kinda like Goo Gaga like anytime I literally seem every single single tournament and it's every time I'll be in mid conversation with probably someone really cool as well and I just see him and it's like time has to stop whatever you're doing. You have to stop and acknowledge that it's better that is walking by you. Walking past you even speaking like I remember once he was sitting and eating near my table and I I just had to keep together. Just I mean it was it was difficult but yeah I'm just a huge fan of his and no matter what even I I've actually actually talked to him before I actually this is a very funny story. We were in the waiting room and we were in the doctor's office and I believe he was with his two kids and I looked them. MM straightened face and I said I was like I think you should have two more kids and he asked the little boys what they thought and they never respond. He's like yeah. That's what I thought too and and that was that so that's been my only real moment with fedor and I totally blew. I mean I probably shouldn't have said anything in the first place but yeah I mean he's that's-that's that's that's who I'm starstruck with but I still remember when you wrote me and you were telling me like Oh. My Gosh Mackerel is going to give us some time like it's a big deal. I know she works tennis channel and so do we but it just it's different kind of feeling. I think Roger Federer definitely has that he walks into a room and the atmosphere earlier changes and you can sense that someone big is in there and Mary. Carillo kind of has that judging from that pressure experience where people were flocking her. You kind of you get this kind of level of attraction. You know maybe she doesn't want to call it fame. That's fine. She has this way of relating to anyone. You know she kind of comes off as young vibrant and loud and fun and you. WanNa hang out and you WanNa talk about stuff and we talked about a bunch of stuff and one that stands out to me is definitely the age rule because when you're playing in Iowa's playing the rule was around and I know we thought about it here and there in terms of scheduling for sure because we would have been like fifteen sixteen seventeen but large part generally effect US Cocoa Goff is being massively massively affected because she can only fourteen tournaments. She's fifteen and she only has five left. If I'm doing my math correctly so until march she can only play five events which I don't know good and bad. I think you know you have the pros and cons. I think it's good because you don't WanNa burn players. I like her out. I mean she's fifteen. You see some stories of back in the day. When you had fifteen year old players playing like twenty five to thirty tournaments a week and sure enough they reather injured or just completely burnt out a couple years later the cons here. Are Someone Cocoa Gov. She has this opportunity to take a jump. She's One oh six in the world. I believe and she has this opportunity. There's a lot of fall tournaments coming up in the US where she can go and make a run and ended up being top fifty in the world who knows maybe she might get a couple of wildcards into some Asian tournaments I mean she she made. She got a huge fan. Damn base from two huge tournaments so she's a big name the fact that she can't go and compete somewhere like Asia where she can both get a lot of money and a lot of points to make that big push going into Australian swing. It is really unfortunate but you have to see the bigger picture you have to see the longevity Javadi of the sport they do not want to cripple these young junior tournament players. I it's it's really tough to kind of decide okay. This is the absolute absolute rule. This is this. I think she's the exception to the rule. Let me say that I think you and I both came up with this idea. If your top one fifty get get an additional couple tournaments and I think that would be a great rule. I think because of cocoa it might be implemented so I wouldn't be surprised if we see some changes in the next couple of years I looked into it though it already kind of exists so at a fifteen year old you can play ten events and you'll get four extra depending on performance so I think in her case they wanNA push for more more and we mentioned federal and he also was in support of maybe adjusting the rules for someone like Cocoa Goff whose gotten to different kinds of level. You don't expect for fifteen year. Also both Marian Roger are in agreeance there and I think so are we. I think it just sometimes case by case might might warrant it. Sometimes it won't. I don't think these rules are really up to ask but I think everyone cannot wait to see her play again. That's for sure yeah. I mean a lot of times. The rules are implemented for the bigger picture but the rules are also they're. They're meant to be broken so I think that could go goff is a rule breaker in a sense and she can't say yes to all opportunities because of this rule and Merrill told us that we have to say yes to everything and that was the best piece of advice we've got an. I think it's funny when you guys when she said that it. Kinda resonated with me and I thought I was like that that is so true. It's so easy nowadays just say now to be like I'm too busy. I'm too tired. I'M NOT GONNA be able to make it but you know that spontaneous spontaneity and that vibrant just yes to everything. I think that's what that's what's made her so successful it has it has okay so we're going to end on that note here on the.
"mary carillo" Discussed on The Tennis.com Podcast
"We you know so so. That's really another another way. I got into this. I just wanted to be around. Did you have have any one helping coachie or show you. The ways or the ropes may be when you're starting or taking the lessons on voice coaches because your voice and all that is is obviously world famous suspended start off that way where you're like smooth. I've always had a deep voice. I've sounded like this for a long long time and I never had a technical boys coaching but again my early producers and directors were very helpful. I mean I I had to learn how to hold a microphone. The first time I'll never forget they wanted me to run down and do an on-court interview and so I had my earpiece my and my producer is telling me okay go in the middle of the court and I didn't where he was. I was looking around in the stadium for my producer. He was in a truck about a quarter of a mile away. I mean I was really. I really didn't know what I was doing but I learned quickly I on I. It meant a lot for me that I I did a professional job so I and and again people you know if you sit next to somebody after why start to learn how to lay out and had to get to a commercial cleanly how to not start a long involved story about somebody's Gene Pool. If it's break point 'cause you're not. GonNa have time and you learn to if you learn to know how quickly someone plays I had to call graph matches and she played so quickly in between points. You really couldn't all all you can give a score and here's she ears groff would be hitting these remarkable forehands her feet flying out of her shoes. You know these huge winners and eh didn't even have time for replay so after awhile you get to you get to understand the rhythms of the sport. You're covering and you get to you know if you really get into it. It's a lot of fun hello everyone. You're listening to the tennis dot Com podcast with Special Guest Mary Carillo. She's an award winning sports broadcaster that has covered everything from dog shows the ice skating at the Olympics two grand finals. Let's get back to Mary Carillo. Did you get hung up on any mistakes. He made early on or little things that stick in your your head where you're just thinking oh no no. I think that if you in the Bronx well yeah but that will what what what kind of stuff happened to you. I wasn't prepared for the interviews on encore. I didn't know the player that well when I went out there. I had my plan what doesn't ask her and she kind of short shortchanged me and I. I didn't panic but there was a moment where I realized I kept saying kind of the same few words. I kept saying well. How do you feel and I felt myself saying same sentence analysis like like Nina move on from the same words and you you get to understand very quickly that the best questions are short yeah because if you ask a long question you tend to get a very short answer here. We learned how not to ask yes and no questions yeah all that stuff. I was doing a match with Martina Navratilova for HBO when HBO had the Wimbledon Limited coverage for I got to do that for four years and for some reason I was way off my game and I at a at an I just I kept misstating stating things miss naming things and I said I'm the air. I still do it now. Oh God are I'm. I'm sorry I'm hitting a lot of unforced errors and Martina very kindly finally said well. You're hitting some winners to. That's kind of what you have to do. You have to just keep just keep going and figure out I there's also verbal tics six that a lot of people including me. Have you know there's a there's a joke at tennis channel when something big happens. I don't get terribly articulate but I'll say oh boy so like there's a drinking joke going on in in the tennis channel truck there they go again. Everybody take a shot so there are some matches. If I go five sets and it's a great match you know that that would be a lot of liquor if they were actually consuming it done in the trucks which they might be. How did you get. I tennis comes to quite naturally because you play but how do you get to become an expert on things like winter sports and even the dog show is Kinda talking about something that you're not as familiar with seems scary to me. It's a bit daunting but I'm not the expert of the only sport I am at all fluent in his tennis and I don't don't pretend to be anything else in any other sport although I must say I'm pretty good on dogs. I I know my groups. I know my breeds. I'm pretty good on that. Not only because I've I've always had dogs and I love them very much but it's not my role to be. An expert went on covering figure skating or Jim. I've covered gymnastics covered skiing. You know that that's the I'm. I'm supposed to be setting up the expert next to me or or telling a story so and again if you're at all curious if you like sports I mean I like excellence. In all forms such a sports it could be it could be music. It could be writing. I mean if somebody is great at something the thing I wanna I wanNA be around. How much of the job is you on the fly on TV reacting accommodating people up how much of it is research in prepping note taking things things behind the scenes that people might not see well. I'm a nerd. I if I don't feel like unprepared for something that makes me very jumpy and what I'm the I'm sure you know. All the same stuff is me you prepare for a match that you think is going to happen and then something happens and ninety percent of what you've prepared you never even use because it's not a good match or somebody gets hurt or somebody's choking and then you have to go somewhere else. Sometimes the best thing you can do if a match is there's. There's no tension left in a match you you start telling stories. You know I mean so you have to be. I think agile and adept enough to follow the rhythms of the match and you know sometimes I'm I've. I've listened to calls of matches that were better than the match itself. You know that happens and sometimes and the better matches coaches unless you have to talk anyway. You just hope you've got a terrific director. Who's cutting Cameras Fauria. You know so that stuff happens to so I think if if you are cognizant if you're if you're you know alert to the rhythms of a match and you're prepared. You're in pretty pretty good ship to ever get any negative feedback that gets you down and get stuck with Kinda. Let these things go. I feel like you're not on social media one bit. I'm dot one. I avoid it again because I need to. There are people whose whose judgment I really respect and trust and I I. I'm not I'm not on facebook instagram twitter. Nothing I mean I I look for that stuff. I think it's a remarkable. It's remarkable bowl thing to have you know it's great tools to have but I know I I don't WanNa do that it it. It just seems to me like I'd be spending way too much time caring about what strangers think and taking it to heart I mean and and the thing is and I know and I want to hear good stuff about myself either because if you react well to the good stuff you react badly to the bad stuff. If you trust what everybody is thinking and saying and and and and barking about you it cuts both ways right so I just try to stay away from all bet and try to do as as well as I can and you're you're doing well because it doesn't seem like anyone's mad about anything ever. I'm sure that's not true. I have been Nina believe me. I've been employees of dog houses players dog dog houses agents dog houses. I mean I've I've I've done my time and what you hope for and again. I've been doing this for forty years. Now or something something what you hope for is that you stay consistent and you develop a reputation for being fair minded. You know and that's what you lean up against. When things things get rough a lot of this is about relationships? I've picked up on that in the past couple of years. Ninety percent of this job is who you know and how you relate with other people right. Do you get that sense. I think it really helps when when yeah I I like hanging around I said even when I was a player I liked hanging around around the press. I like when I was a little kid. I'd go too far sills when it was when the US Open was held there. There was a guy named Jim wrote choosy sports head of the New York Times and heat the New York Times had a box so anytime there was an empty seat there I was and I would be running around the I mean I would go from the first match the last and then I'd pick up the newspapers the dailies the next day the New York Post the Daily News and I'm thinking why they write about that match that stunk. Why weren't they out watching this match. It's like I mean I always wanted to. I always wanted to see how people you know covered stuff in it and what what was important and so I think I still do that. you know and there's a there's a real joy to that so a yes. The relationships are important. If you hang around hanging around his a big part of this you know watching watching practices listening into press asking questions in the press conference getting to know you know being yelled at by an agent at stuff being around being a uh of available to the tennis and or any sport and and the moment hanging around you just pick up stuff you know ooh look at that she why why is she limping and she's leaving the core. You know why she icing. Why is that guy yelling at his father and he's got like that stuff. All that stuff counts at. That's my when you look back and you're looking at what you're doing. How much of it do you think people in broadcasts WanNa be on camera and like lambda up and celebrities. How much of it is hey. I want to tell these stories differently differently than we've been telling them because tennis arguably can just be about matches and four hundred back but you seem to want to look at it as behind the scenes in depth. Thanks told hold a little bit differently culture. Did the Mary in on tennis channel. You're kind of a bit of a all around that have just for him back and coach player well L. A. You know what Nina and there are a big part of that is because so many tennis players men and women aren't from this country so I feel like if if you're a casual fan you might not know the backstory of Novak drug but you might not know what you know. Some of these players had been through there are so many European players Russian player South American players. I feel like okay. You got an I've got. I've got explained to you. Why maybe you should cheer for this person or or why Tanya Medvedev can be able you know like I you kind of. I kind of feel like that's a big part of the job is just to engage the viewer you know and and make them care one way or another about how the matches played and and who wins it or lose it and why that's important important. I mean it's more than just you know the measure of the match sometimes the more interesting thing is how these people got here in the first place and what they what they've been able to get past and oh man. She's been off the tour for almost two years and that's why you may not know who she is. That's the kind of stuff I didn't the Glam stuff at you. Can I drive the hair makeup people nuts because I do drive bys. I've got four minutes now and they'll do like Mascara on one. I and I'm running to a student. I that's not the part that really gets me. GOIN' not that into their we. They show celebrities in the stands while we're a while we're taping this at the US Open. I don't know who half of them are. I'm just I'm not into that part of it. I like athletes. I like the Athletic Heart in any sport. I like watching you know people at the peak of their physical powers or diminished powers or whatever they whoever these athletes are. I know what it takes for them to be out there putting it on the line. They're my favorite people in the whole. Stadium are the ones on the court sleep ever been starstruck. It was probably with an athlete safe to say are never i. This is a crazy story. The first time I can say I was ever starstruck truck. I was on my way to my first round match my first ever Wimbledon in nineteen seventy. Seven that you have is out on court four hundred twenty seven year there. I was in the show but I mean I was running to my metronews packed. You know how crazy gets at Wimbledon when you're trying to negotiate those the outer court and it's packed and I was running. I was afraid I was going to be defaulted because I was stuck in this crowd and as are running to my court the late Great Charles Shulz the guy who created the peanuts comics was going the other way and I had to stop and tell him how magnificent a person and guy I thought he was and how much so here I am at the.
"mary carillo" Discussed on View from the Cheap Seats
"Cheap seats vistaprint dot com slash cheap seats are guys welcome back to the show and as promised <hes> <hes> we have someone we've admired who we got to meet at the Sports Emmys a few years back <hes> and just someone who we just enjoy watching in every form that she does on television Mary Carillo welcome to the show. Thank you for doing this with us. Where the kids thanks for having it? Will you elevate everything you do and now you're elevating our podcast which just makes us so happy. Here's what I'm going to say that I'm GonNa just heap praise on you throughout this whole thing but right now the fact that you know people forget that you played a sport you are an athlete and were an athlete on the highest level you you have won a Grand Slam title doubles title devils title like but but I'm saying you're broadcasting career journalism career sports journalism career especially through real sports is been so good that you make people forget that you were an athlete is it was be like she only went in when she grew up. She just wanted to be a broadcaster. That's really difficult to do to you do it in two fields dion sanders of sorts or Bo Jackson of sorts I tell you I just got back from Wimbledon. Last week. I last a lot longer at the majors now that I'm talking about them then when you a much much longer and the what major that you're that you're nice enough to bring up was the nine thousand nine hundred seventy seven mixed doubles at the Jopin. Don't don't don't you dare downplay Mary Carillo well as we don't know yes. Ask is the hardest of all of the disciplines and sports. All I'm saying is John. McEnroe is eighteen years old. I was twenty years old. It was his first major title. It was my last major. Hey listen you you spring boarded him or sprung boarded onboard is it springboard or strong board idea but you catapulted that young man and his gigantic Afro at the time I into into stardom I you know I watched that had fire and ice the H._B._O.. <hes> documentary about <hes> Borg McEnroe and you gotTA understand his kids who grew up in Saint Louis like our parents went to go buy a car in Saint Louis at at Weber Chevrolet and you know imagine being like a nine year old a kid or a ten or eleven year old kid and people are filling out paperwork for so we were sitting in the back of wherever Chevrolet watching like a U._S. Open of board and it was I don't know the Borg and McEnroe and we're like these guys hate each other right heated heated rivals so you think that they hate each other then you watched that documentary and you realize the love and respect that McEnroe had for for board it. It's just amazing to me that there was that side of it to these guys they might be it might be so heated but there they love each other. Yeah McEnroe hated Connors and lendl heated rivalries sure we're needed rivalries but you'll John on that one was for so sickly it was so much fun to watch those two and doing everything John wanted to be. Rockstar looks great great champion and never lost his cool but the fact is that they only played each other fourteen fourteen times right when you look at how many dozens and dozens of times Novak Djokovic face is Roger Federer or Nadal right I mean it's really wasn't Martina. Navratilova and Chris Seven played each other eight times so it it was special because it didn't last and frankly one of the reasons. John's game went down so much in the years after your walked away at twenty five is because he just he missed missed that rivalry. He likes playing going against him. He you know he just missed it. He didn't WanNa have to then face. You Know Jimmy and Yvonne Lindow guys. He didn't truly like I mean what a great time for American male tennis those years. It feels feels like we'll never see that again. Will we ever see our why why has it changed so much as it just us lock or what is it. Do you know that the last time an American man won a major was when Andy Roddick did it when three years old yeah I mean that's a long I mean women obviously have Sloan Stevens and Serena and Venus. We have it on the women's side. We haven't had it on the men's side in a long long time and there's I think there's all manner of reasons. I don't understand when people say oh it's cyclical I I've never understood it. Yes if it's cyclical. This is a long since we're going on a going all the way around the cul de sac here. I mean like it yeah you see the champions who exists in the great the greatness of Roger Federer and Robin and all and Novak Djokovic they were groomed on clay courts which is the ultimate. It's it's the ultimate classroom mm for ten because you have to learn how to move and had to be fit and had to attack and defend in header transition and only now I think the U._S. starting to understand that we need to we need to start kids on clay courts and then from there you can play early on any surface all right so that's almost like in in some of the poorer countries like with soccer that they'll play on like the play footer foot saul which is like basically like you have to be able to control the ball at all you have a job that's exactly right and there's not a lot of American male players who play small ball either. The guys who John User just won his fourth title in Newport on graphs over the weekend because about seventy today six yeah. It's got a big serve. He's got a big forehand and those are the two hooks on which he hangs his entire game and a lot a lot of American men just try to I think they try to muscle the ball a lot instead of really developing the rest of their arrests of their technique. I mean the three headed monster in in the men's draw right now in just in terms of you know Jovic could be the when it's all said and done you look at the run that he's had in the last couple of years he could be if he continues it for the next three or four years he could go down with the most majors of all time and we're talking about. Him is the greatest of all time oh no doubt he is. I said a real sports story about a guy who lost his leg. Surfer losses led to a shark ah thirteen foot tiger shark and of course being the word I am I went into this deep dive about sharks. I always thought that they ruled the watery universe and it turns out that they are not the Apex Predator. They are not at the top of their food chain. It's I else killer. Whales killer whales so to my mind. There's all kinds of obviously well this is it Novak is the Apex Predator. He has no natural. Natural enemy he's the emperor of his ecosystem. Nothing like Brooke Mitch for Food Right now except for Novak who eats like nothing not an e and God if you if you did <hes> Pity Novak you would be game Ian String exactly interesting eating sprouts just a man made of sprouts but except for Ross doll on clay which is his surface at he will dominate like no one will ever dominate any surface that he is the Apex Predator and that kind of also Predator used to exist in the form of Serena Williams and women's tennis and that's not true any will vats that. I'm glad you of course Mary you you take it to the places we WANNA go without even US leading you there. <hes> does Serena you know I look at Serena Williams in sports. Okay Tiger Woods winning the masters. This past year is pretty incredible and I think anyone around sports knows what an unbelievable comeback that is yes and Serena was there. She literally was on the doorstep and has been on the doorstep of winning a major after I mean something that you'd like tagger yeah big right yeah okay. I had a baby got a bad back. She had she brought life into this world. Okay we'll see you come back from that okay but the idea that like how can she come back in this field and I think it's good for women's tennis that there becomes more that there's more parody like a cocoa golf situation this year Outta Zoa exciting super exciting. Suddenly you're watching the first three rounds of the women's draw in a way that you wouldn't before you so wish she went again. That's my question do think Serena will win and again another major she he she was in last year's we will in championship. She lost a German player named Naji Kerber. She's in last year's infamous U._S.. Open Championship match Autzen Naomi Asaka she had matched pointing the quarterfinals finals of this year's Australian Open loss it. She was in the final this year of Wimbledon and Law Suhel three separate times in the last twelve months. She's been one match away from being a champion again and all three time she was underwhelming underwhelming so it's been now. It's it's been more than two years since she's won a major. I think it's going to get harder order because she keeps taking these hits. I thought she was GonNa Win Wimbledon last year. I thought she was going to win the U._S. Open last year. I thought she was GonNa Win Wimbledon last week this year. I thought so you're asking the wrong person. I continue to believe Serena's GonNa Breakthrough time-warp <unk> twenty four majors. She hasn't done it and the U._S.. Open frankly is always so fraught for Serena Williams anytime. She said her biggest meltdowns blowouts yes cave-ins it's happened at the last major of the year. She tends to shut down their season as soon as the U._S.. Open is over when she lost it she against Kim Clijsters semifinals years ago against him stones or in the final against so Sokha last year she puts so much pressure on herself and again Roger Federal law so heartbreaker to Novak last weekend busing but compared to here's to people her almost thirty eight years old Roger and Serena Roger Plays with such freedom and Serena is so fraught. I mean you feel the tension when she walks out on the court. Now and here comes rods Roger. There's such joy right in his quest Yup and for Serena you just feel like all she a white knuckle of now and can you. I mean she must look at Roger and think man how do you how do you live your days like that. How did he make it look so he's he's Bro? Rogers Board esque Roger Roger was funny even in the comment right after the match so he loses and they're like this is one that will never remember. We'll never forget it. He's like I like to forget it. I WANNA forget it. Various was incredible have the presence of mind to do. Yes suge says we will never forget this so i WanNa forget it and the beauty of him is he's teaching athletes athletes in that moment how to lose and how to handle losing in a way that is graceful and and cool and it just makes you love him all the more. You're rooting for him even if you didn't route from earlier because he was a machine you know what I mean..
"mary carillo" Discussed on Beyond the Baseline
"New thing, you know, and they could kind of do they want and fashion it they want. But as you said, everyone was so nostalgic at this point, they they've really going to be competing against like history. You know, so many years is really good point. And it's you know, it's hard. I mean, I think. Nowadays were split. We really love the new stuff and the new technology or like, everything is about nostalgia. And the old school stuff. And you see all these things coming back. You know, they're just getting slightly revamped. But every everyone likes the old school. So. Suspect. You're not just referring to sports. No, no. I mean, like every Hollywood reboot is that Hollywood franchise. Everything's coming. I mean, you can get a polaroid camera now like basically the same old school Polaroid's everything from the nineties is back in fashion, so makes its return. Yeah. It will be interesting to see because this Davis Cup. You know, we always talk about tennis, change resistant, and ooh, you play a tiebreaker. It's other sports are coming up with all sorts of innovations and three point shots and tennis in the last century, the the best they can do is at some of ants. You play. I I won seven points win by two. And that's cows for innovation. Will this Davis Cup is what all the change agents have been lobbying for which is really blow this thing up. And now there's there's clearly some backlash. So anyway, I stick with my Brexit comparison, by the way sounds good on paper. But when the rubber meets the road, you actually see how this pragmatically plays out. It's not quite as attractive. But anyway, that's among the many story lines to follow in twenty nineteen. Let's do one or two more. These benthic me to do it every week. But let's let's do one or two more before. All right. Very good. Thanks, jamie. Thanks, john. If people were so inclined where might they leave a future guests gestures as Mary Carillo. Where might they leave review where my day? Subscribe guessing Jetsons should go on Twitter. Okay. That's the best place. Right. We'll see it. Podcasts wherever they get their podcast from apple podcasts, hit subscribe and they review their enough. All right. Like, Jimmy dykes. Mary Carillo, thanks to our guest. Thanks for you for demanding. We get married back on the show. We will have another guest soon. Maybe even thanks for listening. Everyone..
"mary carillo" Discussed on Beyond the Baseline
"I'm a loyal listener. It's so great. But. All right. That does it for this week. Thanks to our guest. Mary carillo. Thanks to many of you who said you need to get married back. It's been awhile. It had been a while not a crazy while but it had been almost a year. So nice to get married back on the podcast, Jamie Lassana. We thank you for your production expertise source resources were he were here for that. We say freeform we're here for that three or four bag Grabac it it pinball the little bit. But that's okay now. It's good. I'm glad to hear that Mary's that podcast listener. Yeah. I know who I I didn't know what she's talking about. She said Jimmy areas, and I'm thinking give Jimmy doesn't work for tennis channel. And that he was guest on the great guest in Mary was as well. I don't know what what I'm always interested just for your perspective as someone who's late to the tennis party. But now you're in the middle of the dance floor. Kind of like imagery, but I'm always curious sort of what it's standard setup question. But I'm genuinely curious if someone who comes at this from a different perspective. What what strikes you what? Well, this is a grab bag. So there's a few things at the end. I really like just hearing about her entry into her world how she approaches it. I think with anyone kind of is at the top of their streets. Really interesting to hear about how they approach it. And kind of how they've overcome certain things. And like you said in the beginning when we first had her on she really talked mostly about how she got into what she does now. But I I'm on the same page is hers. I like how she loves you balance around from different sports, and she goes from dog shows to covering the Olympics tennis, and I think that's a really cool niche, but tennis wise, I think I I'm interested about what she said about Caroline Wozniacki. Actually, it was kind of a very slipped in there. Comment. But she said something, you know, it's on her place to say, but she thinks that maybe Mary said, it's not her place to say just to be clear. You're not having Mary I'm saying, she, you know, she said kind of off hand that, you know, maybe she's nearing her end of tennis or her kind of her priorities or switching which I thought was interesting. What was Accu made the announcement about her room toward arthritis diagnosis and kind of didn't seem very talked about. I thought it was kind of remarkable because I know how debilitating that can be. So I think it will be an interesting thing to see, you know, if she can defend but just not only excel in twenty nineteen and what happens thereafter, you know. She's going to get married. I think in twenty nineteen or soon. I'm so I thought that was an interesting side note, we haven't really talked about her a lot. Yeah. It's interesting. I think that's a good point. I think rheumatoid arthritis not something that we have. Certainly a lot of familiarity with especially as it pertains to twenty eight year old athletes and then strangely enough. She actually I think had some nice results after that announcement. I agree that sort of slipped between the cracks a little fought. Fall tennis Mary talked about a sort of a strange entity. Yeah. I appreciate it. You know?.
"mary carillo" Discussed on Beyond the Baseline
"Guest Mary Carillo. She does not even require intro. You know, Mary you love Mary. She's fresh off the dog show. And now she's back in tennis. So we spend this along with Jamie. We spend almost an hour. Talking tennis with Mary Carillo, a free form discussion we hit on a number of topics. Just some fun tennis talk with one of the great treasures displayed has to offer. So here's an hour with Mary Carillo. Let's get right to it. Why did whiskey win best in show? You didn't like whiskey I loved whiskey the whippet. That's fine dog winner. Tell you. It was an upset compare that at tennis terms. That's depend go. Yeah. I mean, this guy hit one hit been the finest rid lists. Also. Are you? Well, you want to podcast you ready for some shop talk. I am indeed. But before we begin may, I pay you and Jimmy areas the compliments oh last week's guest. Yes. Last week's guest thought was terrific. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know if this is part of the podcast or not. But I wanna go on record. What's that? You're on record. We're rolling now. Oh, excellent. Jamie. Janez Asante, Jamie. I don't know if you've found Jimmy areas to be as honest and candid an interesting as I did. But I've always liked him so much, and I thought it was very interesting that he took real pleasure that his ten year old charge had terrific footwork coz when I graduated from high school I worked for the late. Harry Hoffman terrific Davis Cup. Coach who started academy the summer. I graduated and at that time nineteen seventy-five all I had on my courts were a bunch of kids who wanted to play like during Bork. And so the almost every one of them had wide open forehand senses, western grips and loopy back nets. And what I had to continue to impress upon is that the reason going board was on board because he moves so well, remarkable footwork and any great player is going to have great footwork. But that's not what they were copying. So I very I was very. Impressive Jimmy areas. Like that so much about about his kid at the I N G academy..