6 Burst results for "Mary Ann Rogers"
"mary ann rogers" Discussed on Boomer & Gio
"The NFL draft Patrick Mahomes came in studio to talk to boomer and carton. This was before he was drafted by the Kansas City chiefs before his super bowl remedy AP. Before his MVP season. We didn't really know who Patrick. MAHOMES WAS TD TAXES TAX Patrick Mahomes. Prospects for the NFL draft. If. You buy all those tramps except to say. Yes Patrick Different place state and he was that say six months ago and that's a good thing and what I mean by that is. More people around him and seeing them and. Dissect it up from head to toe, which very strange thing made people think him as the first round and how Patrick boomer and Craig to New York City. Bud, yeah, appreciate. You'll have me y'all say. That quick! Know Texas Tech in Lubbock Texas. Where did you grow up I grew up in Tyler Texas. Home of Earl Cabell Brian. Campbell the summer going out to the tune is he's got this big. French foreign call it. The ranch, a ranch, working the ranch from Earl Campbell sons. So, what's the last? Let's say thirty days been like Um combine to today where you of go from on unheralded quarterback, amongst most people to. He's getting better. He's getting better. You haven't played a game in months. It seems like people thinking of you in a higher regard in the last month and a half. Yeah, I mean definitely more people just see me throw in person. coaches on that board and seeing my knowledge, and how picked up information has definitely helped out a ton, and then just a media just really getting in and really watching me play and watching my film and not just. Putting that air-raid quarterback. They're actually seeing everything I do and understanding how much control ahead of that offense. All that is Kinda. Help me boost more up the draft boards. In those days. She threw the ball. What seventy eight yards we just shut off or what were you doing? Trying to make it a kind of hell? Mary Ann Rogers type thing saying if we could keep it filled with thirteen seconds left, and we're. We're down. We're down to now. We're can throw one pass for five yards and get to the end zone. Walk.
"mary ann rogers" Discussed on Thinking Sideways Podcast
"I also have to say that property of the crime is she describes. It makes it a little hard to believe. I mean the guys that these guys were. They were vigilant. As it were jerks they were violent to a certain extent but it doesn't sound to me like they ever committed anything more heinous than basically kind of a beating you know. That's actually the the exact thought that I had was that. If you'RE GONNA kill a man. Yeah rape his fiancee and burn him to death still alive. It's probably not like your first Rodeo. Yeah probably not. That's not where you start now where you build up to overtime. Yeah well so was Mary. Ann Rogers the original. Connie frankly yeah. This is hard to say. Franklin was not in Saint James Long enough for people to to know him as I mentioned before everybody involved had some bias lost. People said he wasn't the same guy lots said he. said that He was a lot of people. Said he wasn't the same and really seemed to dislike the accused men. And so yeah. Confusion reigns conclusions. I'm Mary Ann. Rogers was probably the original. Connie Franklin showed up in the early nineteen twenty nine. But I wouldn't bet my life on it. I think probably was but I think so. It might actually be the case that Franklin was brutal brutally murdered in March nineteen twenty nine verion. Rogers was an imposter Maybe Tiller Change your story mid trial because friends of the accused somehow got to put the fear God into her or maybe not. I don't know I think part of what his hangs on. Is that the bone pile. Yeah I mean if those really were dog or sheep bone gas because those are confuse than I would be inclined to go your way if those bones had turned out to be human which an expert even then could have told you even though I mean this is Arkansas twenties. Let a few experts. Yeah if they had that or even if they're around somewhere today which are probably not then I would turn out to be human I would be inclined to say somebody got killed that night and that person was likely whoever Connie Franklin was weather that was his real name with. That was an assumed name again and again you know again you got to like looking at the whole thing. I mean Bertha Burns had a grudge against these accused men who had beaten her husband. The Room and our family had a garage and see how she was the one who led law enforcement to this pile of bones and ashes and tease and stuff and so maybe she just thought you know hey I mean forensic scientists and what is going to be in sixty years. Ha Ha 'cause I bet and so I'll just. I'll just throw a sheep dog bones into a pile Burnham crush them up so that they're just unrecognizable and and and lied to the police. Maybe she that's what she did. That's I find that as easy to believe if not easier to believe the only problem I have with that is that conspiracies are hard to maintain their. I mean we've seen that in the research we've done you can listen to other podcasts. Read books about this requires a lot of co-conspirators right so birth in her husband. You've got the room and her family. Yeah but what? If it was entirely orchestrated by birth. She just manipulated the other people around her and what she wants. She talked tiller into into basically telling this story. She kind of had her on the hook. Tiller couldn't go back on. See that's true. She'd be in there she will not perjury. Its report false reporting of a crime or yeah harsh penalty should really I mean? Yeah something like this. You waste not only time and money. Judge alone said it costs. A lot of money did apparently broke the broke. The county's budget that year. Yeah so You know throw one more theory at you. Watch what we're talking. What if those working bounds in there? But they weren't whoever Connie Franklin yeah slash Mary. Ann Rogers was what if Bertha killed somebody and this was her plan to cover it up. That's a good possibility to. There's all kinds of reasons to burn a body. I mean some people not everybody berries bodies. Maybe somebody thought you know I will burn them like Burnham like our ancient ancestors did maybe this person died of something something infectious and they just thought okay. Let's burn the body. Now it's true. And then also you get you know I I just this is just popped into my head. This during prohibition if moonshine owners were out there moonshine and one of them died for one reason or the other. The last thing you want to do is call corner. Yeah yeah so there's Yeah there's Dad. This is backed not even in Arkansas. And all kinds of places really Erica things. There wasn't so much paperwork when somebody died today. Nope so there's a rumor that judge marcus bone again because of all. This negative publicity ordered all the records from the trial destroyed. I love it except for the ones that he was legally obligated to keep so. That's why there are a lot of questions about the Arkansas. Ghost is it. Can't just pull up these Gadgets go look these things because I also you know he would if he didn't do that. Things have a way of disappearing You know I was. There was another case. I was researching where there was some stuff that had just been swiped out of the out of the county records. Well there's that and there's there's a podcast that I follow and they are trying to get old court records from you know just from the nineties. Yeah but they're they've been stored improperly. They're covered in mildew. And you know this is only from the from nineteen ninety side though right so you've store them properly in a place where water is leaking where there's mold and mildew and you play that out over eighty ninety year. Yeah well good luck. Then they're gone. They're they're dissolved altogether and it actually really is a problem in our country. How we have all of these civil legal records that are just not properly being stored in our decaying making it harder to know about older kisses in violence although the plus side though is that you know if you if you were convicted of a crime yourself that hey maybe the record is sort of just naturally being not true. I would love to hear it like ninety year. Old Convicts fee on that. But any b-actor. Our story is speaking of Mary. Ann Rogers what happened to him? After the trial he left town again resumed his itinerary lifestyle in nineteen thirty two though he was found the line by the side of a road half dead and he died two days later of appendicitis and exposure tiller. Rumor went on to get married and had some kids and beyond that she just sort of dropped back in security and I know no more of what happened to her. So also the tiny hamlet of Red Stripe. Oh yeah awesome name. That's a great name. Yeah that's where the murder supposedly took place nearby anyway. Yeah on the road to it or outside. It's still there but after the trial they changed the name to pleasant grove because of all the negative publicity is like a guy you can find. It's still very type in pleasant grove. Yeah IT POPS RIGHT UP I actually. I did it and I found that super far from a friend of mine grew up. I'll really she's from that area Governor of Arkansas publicly now suppress for their behavior and said that they'd made the citizens of North Arkansas out to be hayseeds and idiots as I said earlier the story really does appear to have had a cultural impact and cemented the image of rural America's backward and ignorant in the minds of city dwellers with a special place reserved for the Hillbilly of the ozarks. Who really were described in the national papers as depraved illiterate morons? Yeah there is a there was a guy named Brooks blevins. He is is or was at least a professor at University of Missouri. Okay or no excuse me. Missouri State University are. You wrote a book about this case. Ghost and I read an article that he wrote about this as well. I wanted to quote from this real quick. Like talk about the writing of one. Kansas City journalists who went into town basically sat out reports that were picked up by papers all across the nation. I've ever is a quote now from Brooks Blevins on November Twenty Eighth Nineteen Twenty Nine the Journal Post Banner Headline set the tone for the weeks to follow quote ozark murder reveals system. Peon each baron said to be back brutal. Crime UNQUOTE SECREST WENT. On to spin a tale of futile oppression and privilege and is an Ozark land of illiteracy violence places inhabitants quote knowledge of Christmas is almost as limited as their idea. What thanksgiving is intended to convey on quote in an isolated hamlet called Saint James Kabbalah? Baronial families ruled with quote the Hickory stick in the Squirrel rifle. Unquote I mean. That's that's pretty heinous charges against the entire community the entire county the entire state. I mean you know and this was picked up again reprinted in papers all around America. I mean that's one way to frame it but I think you know you're you're laying bare a pretty a pretty terrible bias. These are hard working. Farmers who are people are more airpor- and they don't have the best education they probably are doing some mean moon shining. But they're trying to get by. Yeah Yeah you could easily just flipped at one hundred and eighty degrees talking about the same people doing the same things now. Also salt of the Earth hard working agricultural Americans. It really is. I mean this is I. I don't know if You know in a sense. It's kind of comes down like basic human nature. Which is that. We all want to have somebody that we can look down are now. It's totally true right. Yeah we've all got up so you're living in the city and maybe you don't have the best job. You're not that rich yourself you live in a crappy neighborhood but there's somebody there's somebody you know just worse you. Are Somebody up in the mountains playing a French heart. Yeah so here's a question for you. Okay deliverance have been written in with the movie. Deliverance had been made. Yeah if this had not taken place you know like like I was saying earlier I you know. What did I Yeah other than Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. What did I know about Arkansas? Yeah artist Georgia actually does built up and Actually Hillary. Hillary is not even shroff to Arkansas Chicago Illinois. Yeah no she's not an Arkansas Person. She didn't like Arkansas very much fairly. Not and so yeah. So prior to Bill Clinton. What is a young man? What the heck did I even know about what went on in Arkansas one thing? Deliverance deliverance was the one. That's gotta the impression of an and and so people like you and me we. That's what we know about. These people is deliverance. More people back in the year. Nineteen twenty nine. The one thing they do about these people was the Arkansas goes. And all these depraved morons..
"mary ann rogers" Discussed on Thinking Sideways Podcast
"Aliens. In humans. Interacting it is a psychological thriller where you will never be quite sure what is real until the very end in that at all you can check it out at? Www contacting movie dot com. Watch the trailer he stills and find out about it all right. I haven't seen the entire Bibi yet. I've seen some some parts of it. Yeah Yeah it's got a cameo from it does have a little bit part in it and you'll be happy to have my clothes on. Yeah Yeah thank God. It's not the kind of movie now. Okay so the five men were about to be tried for the murder of Connie Francis but then said Connie Francis Johnny. Frankly I leave that in this. Kinda Francis was a singer. Yeah skit singer okay. So the firemen were about to be tried for the murder of Connie Franklin but then one elmer wingo from the nearby town of Morrilton says Connie Franklin passed through there looking for work a week or so after the alleged murder was supposed to have allegedly taken place Elmer Wingo was a farmer and Connie Franklin had worked on his farm a few years before so he would know economy. Look like right exactly. Yeah and Arkansas. Newspapers ran the story along with Connie's photo and the families of the accused also author awards for anyone who could find him and Amazingly Connie Franklin westbound. All it took was a little money to motivate people That still works does he. was working on a fire in the town of. Humphrey apparently unaware that he had been murdered. He was brought back to the county seat and delivered to the defense attorneys. They were happy of course as where the accused and their families. And of course the media when we're got out I mean the media already been drawn to town because of the the the the depravity of the store perish. It's the kind of thing that excites people you know and that it had already made the national news even before the return of Confrontation Ryan. And it's a good story right as I thought it was a heinous crime. Say are on their way to get their marriage license and overtaken by Maddie's biens rapes burnings. Eli Yeah it was and so the media was already cut all over this but then when Connie returned town on my God then that's when things really got crazy and currently the the town of Mountain view which is where the county courthouse was which is where the trial was supposed to take place became. The TAB became a circus it was over with reporters and just curiosity seekers and stuff like that. You know it was back in the. Everybody came from far and wide because there wasn't much in the way of entertainment there was no Internet No. Tv. You know. And so yeah. The national press descended like a murder of crows and It's it did shock the nation And it's really been said to that. The stereotype of the ozark mountain people as depraved illiterate. Morons kind of began with this story. Some people said this and I think there's something to that sense. Connie Franklin had after all risen from the dead he was knicks nicknamed the Arkansas Ghost and the media. Great Name Yeah. The Arkansas goes story went viral. Or at least you know whatever past for virology in those days story. It's a pretty fascinating story be. It'd be pretty amazing. That happened today. I mean the world's different Yes guy turned up at his own trial. Yeah yes his murder trial murder trail. Yeah so Some people weren't convinced that this new Connie was the real. Connie maybe it was his goat. Steady without it might have been ago. That would be a twist. Maybe someone had hired a ringer. Maybe the sheriff was wondering that too so he set up. Test recruited several girls who resembled tiller room honor and he put them in a room along with teller herself and then he asked. Connie Hair quotes air. Quotes there to pick her out which he did with out hesitation. Okay so maybe. He'd seen a photo of her thermometer photos in the paper for all we know right. Yeah until her for her part said. This guy was not the Connie that she'd known connie new all sorts of personal things about tiller and their relationship and she did have an incentive to lie because making a false police report like that is a crime. Yeah maybe she thought if it was false he just thought Kani was gone. He was coming back and she'd get away with. Sokaiya says the remember them songs I say to you. We sat side the creek and Taylor says okay. Well if you're ready. Let's hear you sing. The lonesome pine much. Connie dead and Connie does and does a pretty credible rendition of an then. Tillers Dad Charlie. Rumor says well okay. Let's see you play Turkey and Straw the French harp. Coyote does that too long as one of the tunes. You know just as well as the original county did man so six. Yeah according to the court into the papers They seem they seem to be unsure this point in time though later on eventually they decided to do. Connie was definitely most definitely not the old. Connie do what what made them decide this? I don't know just his looks or whatever I guess though it's You know I mean we'll get into. Why is so hard to hard to figure out if this was a real county or not my okay? Public public opinion in town was pretty divided on the issue but You know it should be said that. Connie wasn't around that long. Not that many people had known him that well frankly many people saw the guy was Connie. Maybe say some many said he wasn't but the problem for the Sheriff and the county prosecutor is that they really couldn't find anybody who had known. Connie who didn't have an interest in the case on one side of the I make sense. Yeah so it's a tough one for small towns are yeah so rather than pull the plug on the case. The prosecutor decided the best way to resolve. The issue is to let the jury decide. I would hold on that for a moment. Yeah the victim may not actually even be deceased. They're going ahead with the murder trial. I mean that's pretty spectacular. That's insane imagine that happening today. Yeah yeah defense. Attorney would definitely have have a good time with this whole thing. Oh Wow yeah so. I just wanted to highlight that. That's that was really for me. When I was reading the material you sent at first. I was like that is crazy. Yeah that's crazy case right. So the trial gets underway beginning on December Seventeenth nineteen twenty nine and sitting at the prosecutor's table was Hugh Williams in the county. Da The attorney for the defense was Ben Williamson US brother. As you can imagine the national press one not so factoid. Yeah One more reason to make fun of these silly ozark people. Oh Man Yeah. Yeah along with the general traits of a murder trial where the victim is like walking around. Maybe now first day of the trial Tiller gave some pretty dramatic testimony. She recounted how why younger greenway and Hester ambushed them and beat Connie unconscious they then mutilated his body. No details for that are available now. He built a large fire around him and put him on the fire even though he was still alive. So the body roll off the fires and the murderers had rebuild it and put the body back on and when it was done the number parts of Connie were put in a bag and tossed into the river work on prosecution place charred bones and teeth in evidence but their case took a bit of a hit of the state. Health officer testified in across examination that the bone fragments were too incomplete to be able to determine whether the bones were even human much less. Connie Franklin's the record is not totally clear on this. Apparently there had been originally in the race. It was a Shard of what will appear to be a human skull And that piece of evidence had apparently gone missing by the time of the trial so without that Charlotte of skull Essentially there was no proof that these bones were even human but what about the teeth? Human Teeth are pretty easy to identify competitor. Well Dad has testified also he had examined teeth and said they were actually from a dog or perhaps a sheep. What WAIT NO WAR SHEEPDOG? Or maybe a sheep dog or is she. Yeah Day to Connie Franklin took the stand defense witness is was as far as the only time in US history that somebody has testified at the trial for his own murder. That's pretty groundbreaking. Legally speaking according to Cadiz testimony in his murderers got drunk on the night that he was allegedly murdered and headed about view to obtain a marriage license. Okay and Connie fell off his mule at some point because of course he was drunk and was injured badly enough that he probably blended his hat for one thing and also didn't get back to. Saint James Settlement that night And that was his story. I mean who knows? They were all drunk. Maybe they'd go out and have a little bachelor party and Did some improper things. You don't really know. But apparently he was expected back in town that night by Tiller so the next day when he did get back. Tiller told her she was postponing the wedding until the fall he's through down in ultimate him which was marry me now today or I'm leaving town. She said so. You left town and that was that for the prosecution argued. That Connie was an imposter. This new yeah. He also asked the jury. Why would tiller have made up a story like this? That's my question I am good point Which would send several innocent men to the GAL? Why would she even do that? What did she have against that of? What would be the motive? Yeah right so the other three witnesses said the new. Connie was an imposter tiller. Her Dad Charlie. And One Coleman Foster who had known. Connie Coleman was also tillers cousin. Your cousin problem with this is a small community. Let's go much credit. Oh yeah of the people who swore that Connie was not the real. Connie none really seem to be unrelated to the accuser Someone's Connie Really Connie. We'll know he's real name. It turns out was Marion Franklin Rogers and he was about ten years older than what he told me. He Lied Alive. Said he was a younger man. A wife and kids Turned out. Yeah yeah that was the case and he had abandoned him Oh and he had done some time in a mental hospital he had been committed in nineteen twenty six and escaped three months later. He'd been drifting around the state ever since so this new. Connie Franklin wasn't real then right now actually he was idea as Marian Rogers who fingerprints and dental records. He was indeed Mary Ann Rogers but he said he had been traveling around since his escape from the mental student or an alias of Connie Franklin. What's kind of I guess makes sense? So he said even though even though I lied about my name. I really truly Connie Franklin you guys knew previously. Okay I was just lying to you back then I write about my past and about my real name all right. And what is that This is ground ground shaking for the case. Prosecution's case at this time Tiller changed her story. She said that she had witnessed a beating but now admitted that she hadn't actually seen a murder or seeing Connie's body burn. So that's kind of tough the tough one yeah. The accused said that Tiller accused of rape and murder as payback for the raid on. Her family makes sense. Yeah actually it could be argued that the entire story of Connie Connie's murder was fruit of a conspiracy. And that conspiracy was just another chapter in a long-running feud yeah maybe orchestrated by perhaps Bertha Burns early. She seemed to have had some role in. Maybe yeah maybe the room and her family and Bertha Got Together. Decided they pull this off? Yeah it's hard to say it's been said. The story had roots in a local moonshine. War between the Hess clan on one side of the younger greenaway's on the other side. Count Count. Feels that way. I not really a big old back story here that we'd never heard about right. He does feel like we're witnessed like this whole trial is the tip of Abegg Iceberg. And there's probably GONNA be more in here we don't even know about. Oh Yeah so presented with these weird and conflicting stories. Probably the same thoughts that we're having right now the jury they couldn't decide they retain the judge the honorable. Marcus bone grit name as a great name for judge informed them that the county had already spent an ungodly amount of money on this case and they got weld. God willed damned come to a verdict one way or the other so they voted for acquittal. Nah that probably not a bad choice not does that's probably what I'd vote although Hester in greenaway were held over for trial charges of rape but those charges were dropped a year later. I wonder why it doesn't sound like it was a very credible credible station. Wouldn't as the rest of their lives on though I hear the story of the Arkansas goes to still big topic of debate in stone. County Arkansas. Everybody involved as long data civil. Never know for sure what actually happened. Was there actually a murder? It's hard to say but I suspect that there was not no mess. The prosecution set. Of course it's hard to believe that Tiller rumor would make up such a heinous story but on the other hand people do make false accusations from time to time. Sure certainly the fact that she changed her story. Mid Trial is sufficient reason to question all of it. I and.
"mary ann rogers" Discussed on KQED Radio
"And brittle bones and wornout heart you'll die young and beautiful as you are now but you'll die all the same not i or form that death takes it won't be gentle that's actor mary ann rogers in a rehearsal for a show called ageless her character is the only person who refuses to take this anti aging pill so we see her character played by three different women in their twenties 50s and '70s while the rest of the characters including her mother stay the same age yeah and ageless its world premiere produced by this company from san francisco call quantum dragon theater with its roots in both sifi and fantasy the play right rigid dutta portman lives in the bay area as she says quantum dragon theme a really gave her a chance to explore a new genre for her this is her first place set in the future and you know it's classic speculative fiction and that it's really about holding up a mirror to our own society looking at our own aversion to death into dying yen ageless runs december first through the ninth at the phoenix theater in san francisco and here's a singer now i've just discovered though i'm probably late to this party mongin mind down no no sylla eight informative that's lilley hayek song trinity lane from her new album and this is very much a rock and roll album with the country twain and she's written a bunch of terrific songs for this album about what it means to be not giving in to self destructive impulses whether love or tranquil depresed on giving into those and i don't know i i hear a lot more give deserve alcohol soaked road trip around the country and she keeps mentioning these other musicians who have been down this road she names neil young david bowie and bruce springsteen i feel like she's she's playing them on her car stereo and she screaming back at though that may be i mean her own father is is a great singersongwriter john hyatt so that might be part of it high it plays sweet watering no valley on monday december fourth and then she said the independent on tuesday bo show's opening for blitz in trapper now here's a group that should need noah truck.
"mary ann rogers" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Sagging skin and brittle bones and wornout heart you'll die young and beautiful as you are now but you'll die all the same have warned that death takes it won't be gentle that's actor mary ann rogers in a rehearsal for a show called ageless her character is the only person who refuses to take this anti aging pill so we see her character played by three different women in their twenties 50s and '70s while the rest of the characters including her mother stay the same age yeah and ageless its world premiere produced by this company from san francisco call quantum dragon theater with its roots in both sifi and fantasy the play right bridget dutta portman lives in the bay area as she says quantum dragon theme a really gave her a chance to explore a new genre for her this is her first place set in the future and you know it's classic speculative fiction and that it's really about holding up a mirror to our own society looking at our own aversion to death into dying yen ageless runs december first through the ninth at the phoenix theater in san francisco and here's a singer now i've just discovered though i'm probably later this morning at nine down so why ain't gonna that's lilley hired song trinity lane from her new album and this is very much a rock and roll album with the country twang and she's written a bunch of terrific songs for this album about what it means to be not giving in to self destructive impulses whether lover drinker depraved on giving into those and i i hear a lot more give deserve alcohol soaked road trip around the country and she keeps mentioning these other musicians who have been down this road she names neil young david bowie and bruce springsteen i feel like she's she's playing them on her car stereo and she screaming back at that may be i mean her own is is a great singersongwriter john hyatt so that might be part of it lillee high it plays sweet watering no valley on monday december fourth and then she said the independent on tuesday bo show's opening for blitz in trapper now here's a group that should need noah truck.
"mary ann rogers" Discussed on The Do List
"Two the the that's near feed garcia and her ban bon donncha on the song universe love it and you see is the drummer for this jazz rock hip hop fusion ban those smooth jazz kind of quality to it as well this band is inspired by video she saw have pianist herbie hancock with a dj and she crowd funded her new album no easy task in cuba with intermittent internet connections yeah but you know if you think of cuba's being culturally isolated it's not listening to you see garcia makes you feel like yeah definitely not anymore she is part of an international jazz scene she is part of an afrocaribbean seen she's collaborated with joshua bell and dave mathews opposed to her on the same night by the way and you see garcia and bonn donncha play cafe straits in san jose on sunday december third with an opening said by dj jiig also a member of garcia's band and then they're at ashkhabad eyes on wednesday december six okay now i wanna take you to a rehearsal for a new play it sciencefiction set in a world where everyone has take can uphill that stops them from aging you won't die weaken feeble with sagging skin and brittle bones and worn out heart you'll die young and beautiful as you are now but you'll die all the same out i or form that death takes it won't be gentle that's actor mary ann rogers in a rehearsal for a show called ageless her character is the only person who refuses to take this anti aging pill so we see her character played by three different women in their twenties 50s and '70s while the rest of the characters including her mother stay the same age yet and ageless his world premiere produced by this company from san francisco quantum dragon theater with its roots in both sifi and fantasy the play right bridget dutta portman lives in the bay area as she says quantum dragon theater really gave her a chance to explore a new genre for her this is her first place set in the future and you know it's classic speculative fiction and that it's really about holding up a mirror to our own society looking at our own.