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The this is the news in brief from the United Nations, boosting the number of women and girls entering so-called stem careers, meaning science technology, engineering and math is vital to achieving the sustainable development goals by twenty thirty. That was the message from UN secretary General Antonio kotex to Mark international day of women and girls in science celebrated on Monday. These years theme is investment in women and girls for inclusive. Green growth, mister Gutierrez. I lighted that women and girls remain woefully under represented for reasons that include gender, stereotypes Aliko visible role models and supportive, or even all style policies and environments U N data shows that only around thirty percent of female students select stem related fields in higher education desperately needed food aid for millions of Yemenis is at risk of rotting in a storage facility in the port city of data because conditions are too and safe to reach it. The UN special envoy for. For Yemen and UN emergency relief chief said on Monday in a joint statement, invoice Martyn Griffiths and OSA Hedmark Lowcock warned that urgency of getting to the Red Sea meals was growing day by day. It's been more than five months since you an aid workers were less able to exit with enough food to feed three point seven million people for a month the grain store in the meals could help the World Food Program or WFP scaler food assistance to nearly twelve million people. A fifty percent increase on two thousand eighteen in December WFP reached a record ten million people until now however forces affiliated with healthy movement, which controls the vital port of data. If not allowed do you went to cross frontlines to access the life saving grain, the dismissal of Nigeria's. Chief Justice may constitute a grave attack on judicial independence from the state. A UN appointed independent rights expert said on Monday, the expert warned of threats pressures and. Interferences made against the lawyers defending him chief Justice Walter on organ was suspended on twenty five January de independent UN special repertoire on the independence of judges and lawyers Diego Garcia Saen noted. In a statement is comments come ahead of general elections, Nigeria to be held on Saturday, international human rights standards provide that judges may be dismissed only on series grounds of misconduct or incompetence. He said Mr. Garcia Syon edited at any decision to suspend or remove a judge from office should be fair and should be taken by an independent authority. He said the decision to replace chief Justice HOGAN last month with Abraham Tanko. Mohammed was taken by Nigerian president Muhammadu Buhari and Carmel United Nations.
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It's Wednesday the thirteenth of March two thousand nineteen I'm multi kneeling. He's told millions in this episode four hundred seventy nine of marathon took. Thanks friend running for supporting the show this week. We speak to recent European indoor three thousand two bronze medallist Melissa courtly is not if you qualify for Tokyo twenty twenty it was a British world cross country team trials this past weekend, MO Farah, Charlotte. Perdue win the big half in London. Tony here with an injured trials, Tim soul talks about improving your running kit. You you run look simply belting in icare and world and stamp proudly on the podium. Tom Williams, we've been up to. Tell me what am Neckar. I've just. I've got to start Mecom rates trading sooner or later, and I thought he says. Says he's not you've not gone into full procrastination mode again. Well, yet you with Madonna which is a lot easier than doing you own. You know, it's check I'm reading come right is just an incredibly event. The only reason I'm doing this because that's doing it. I don't wanna do together the mazing experience if I could take a pill, which meant I didn't have to any of the train could just rock up on the start lying in shape that would be many when a rock this dot line in shape, but he just going to do the dad for head of like as you are. Well as I was chatting earlier. To someone. They were saying what you doing? What's gonna training? Well, got to stop because I don't mind, you know, me I don't mind muck up on us thought line totally underprepared and weighing on the day and blowing up doesn't bother me detonating what so ever accept twenty two. But I'm doing it with my mom, and my after wait for me all imagine if I wasn't fit enough to him finish. Yeah. Imagine if he wait for me because I was. Yeah. It's quite responsibilities knit. Because there as you know, you dad's always wanted to do this hasn't. It's a lifetime dream your dad. So genuine lifetime. He's been most of my smoking. I spent my lifetime and. To you know, in his seventies to give his lifetime dredgers rock if completing come rates, and you are at home digging around. I know you could let myself today. So I did Kaitlyn dad was here. That's easy. Hang out with Mataya. It's not really running. The last week. What did you last week? I think I did do twenty K last week as long run, but you realize for comrades twenty K eight long run is it. Dyer isn't it that? So this week. I thought I'm going to go out for twenty five and I procrastinated input crush that eighteen procrastinated which meant I went out late and the and so to get back in time to do the things I needed to do this evening to go out and rinse myself. For twenty five K to you. Because what kinda wanna go back in time? So Z that was like, well, you everything perhaps you just chill out and be late. Maybe I don't know. But I'm like, I've got I've got a two hour slots, go to non vow slots through twenty five K. I've got two hours twenty five. I've got two hours twenty bag. Put my shorts on I've got two hundred quarter. I leave the door. And I've got I've got two hours max to get my running. Saw smutty. So especially I had a good run average seven forty six mile. And I mean, I put some prodigy on rest in peace key, Flint and absolutely Hammond myself, but I'm feeling it. Now, you know when you're sitting there, and you're not really there because you've gone somewhere else in the pain in you've been in hurt locker for a little bit. Good. Our there. Remember remember times when I was training really hard get back in from sessions in light. Let's it bed for the rest of the day. Sit down to remember, the those hours not not mean you of course, together in the same sedan shower. How'd you see from strive? I got PB OPR as they say on Parrella. Did you then I don't know where I was Pouilly other. Now it does. Oh, I see does concern me a little bit that you say ago PB on that kind of makes me think like you're in a hurry. You just about to leave the has got one at the gate you have to justify a back in the hands quickly. You know, going to be who alley and then get your meeting brilliant. I'm, but I'm by the way, our dream Scottie dog thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna get legs on the tail on him before road. Komo's trainings finished. So why did refining gone you've done similar to me junior? Sort of long Iran to k. Now, you might. So what happened was to junior part run, which as you will know, multiple children, and one grownup, Anita tread, very carefully. Luckily, why multiple kids running at the same time? So it costs for me. You know, I'm running with the kids by never quite sure where the two boys are going to end up. So it's like, okay. Need to like I set off wanting to run with both of them. But in order for that to happen. They both have to have. So we call it the same levels of sensible motivation throughout the two K. Of course, the likelihood of that is era. So within about. Ten meters. I guess one of them was giving up and the other was absolutely leading it. But that's all right. If foul stay on. The course like will. They stay on. In fact, what? What happened was? Luckily, there was two families. We went down with another family that we know locally of six children all little bow who absolutely loves running. I mean, we started and he was gone just gone. And so he ended up running with a little another girl. He must be nine. Ran round with her friend of the family. And we went to to Upton narrow where the juniors is an it's steady to follow couple of K. One lap brilliantly marshaled, all on lovely kinda gravel path. So it's really straightforward. For the kids undulate a little bit. And hey, just went that was that was brilliant loved seeing disappear into the distance with with his little friend. And and just love these ran ran the whole way. In fact, he said he had to waive her. So you came about forty I think which he loved the other boy. Like, no, we walked to love it. I bet you want to slow as me we were Trevor. We were dot should. We haven't done. What time did you bet? We more competitive died. We what we did about fifty minutes. Reckoned? Oh, yeah. That too. We did what did you? What did you pull juniors we stopped in house now? Of course, because you'd said the pool people wouldn't friendly yet. Thanks to the park is that the same Virginia. So they they more friendly up to NAS juniors park is being renovated so juniors moved up, and it was lovely as you know. I moved. That's that's right. Isn't it? The your right about touchy moves doesn't it yet? Actually moved. Which is lovely lovely venue. And it's just good to have the kids there and get and getting doing it. So really loved it. And ruby did it really did as well. She's great. She she with another one of her mates. Probably back. Fifteen minutes to. So she just dipped sunny on the line. She did fourteen thirty seven sunny did for in for four. Westbound was bone from. He about eleven minutes. I think something like that. Lightning-fast wherever the founder of Bowie. Yelling eleven forty seven Hillary, Israel Goodlatte. Well, we did. I think we did eighteen ten so you'd be asked by three and a half minutes thought, you you will walk in. Yeah. Loved it left there and tell you what else are have sorry for those of you that children by what's ruby swim? A kilometer that stocking on on Wednesday night. In twenty eight minutes, which she loved nice. It's Rian going lovely to see the kids enjoying enjoying their movement. Tell you somebody who is enjoying their movement. What she liked that? Holy rush. What is she likes? She bows out to Barcelona. Shia sandbag massive satellite talking about. I'm so I'm not sure how this is going to go probably go too fast. I hallucinate the for. Classic run as mentality. Then you pose at two forty seven. And then curiously says afterwards, I'm not sure how pulled out of the bag I managed to forty seven an eleventh place at the boss alone. The marathon. Yeah. But can I be really made the money really pulling your leg Holly. If you're listening thought she'd be a little bit queasy to what she doing her PB's to thirty something two miles behind. Yes. I was pushed at the water station at fifteen K which really screwed at my head for a while. Does that mean somebody like actually like a catfight, I hope so Holly on our hands and knees like screeching like a wild cat. Lashing out. Goodness knows what's going fellow runners. Hissing at them spitting. She says I really thought was going to die badly. All it had to do is remind myself of my UTM be experience pull up my big, go pants and get it done. These are her words, by the way, I truly believe wrote marathons really are the toughest event, but Okri's have really helped my mental strength, especially when things get tough in all seriousness. Well, done highly rushed to forty seven up to the boss alone marathon view quicker than both me this month. This month. The show is supported by sought a London based company board out of a desire for beautiful performance running where their mission simple to seek unparalleled performance through the use of cutting edge fabrics and innovative design factors. Running in some saw shorts earlier and to cherish the beauty of running and everything they do. Find out. More sore running dot com and get twenty percent off online using the code merit talk. Spring twenty that's merit talk. As tweets spell it. A r a A L K S P R I N G Tuesday to where we speak. We team in the show about how to previous interview had you in previous kit, and you could win some I think that coming onto the science museum on March the twenty seven per per lead to this. This week so notes I'm doing a tool with Jo pavey and friends 'cause Ricky listen to the show will need no introduction to Jo pavey. She competed at five games, and she's going to try and compete a sick in Tokyo this year. So yep. I've seen the times of come out a little bit talk in the show about that later. A panel discussion with me Jo pavey Josie Perry. Jessica, Bruce, Richard Robinson, and Kevin Carroll will be good Kevin is director of science and technical development in the so if you wanna come it's a March, the twenty seventh at the science museum in London in evening we link to science museum to you Kay, Jo pay the and friends on this week's show notes. Big. Thank you, those this problem to patron pledged their support for the show. You let we do become a patron again, check out this week's show next of this week's kids around the world, Tom. It's about isn't it? I'll tell you. What love love love all of them as always do love the first one. And actually, I put this in the show notes on Friday because I tend to be around the world person. So I tend to pick up on a Friday, and then put them in and it's grown on me. I thought you know, what you've not got the cop leg right James because it's it's a really good leg. But you're not what we would prefer which is staring down the barrel of a lens and light look in a bit provocative. In fact, you kind of thinking of. He kind of got the thinker pose going on. It's almost two poses in one. I think on Friday I was bit. It's grown on me. And I actually think alike it what I like is the is closed. Yes. Contemplation in the Kach. Isn't it? It's brilliant James, even anyway, we should say here's a picture for me says among the cherry blossom and thinking about my pacing strategy of tomorrow's Tokyo mouth new my mouth from leisure to. What is Corrine look at blossom as well. Being in Tokyo for the cherry blossom season, just ethic. Absolutely Hannah, turn a fun of ruled with my classic black and buff took the kids to Belinda practice. German snuck out one morning for run with hubby and kept stopping enough. Are the kids the kids Vernon? And then snuck out for a run with hubby might maybe the kids like. Capps doping scheme, take my and not sure if fully appreciated the need a bit chilly to take on too long, Cutolo poses. Let's really poses it in that shot and keep up the good work team loving variety of presenters and guests still my favorite Pok loving variety presents his guests, actually means if you could you to slingy hook every now, and again, that'd be much appreciated appreciated. Lawrence bait. I like this one unlikely slum lords just tried to replicate the statue behind. And these us long words really hard to pronounce and east caused me to do some googling to learn which is good. So I learned geography say here's what I imagine is the first picture of math and talk. The you've got from Transnistria are now I thought that's something like Rosie's Milo pony. But apparently, it's the fish will name for the Preakness trophy and Moldova Moldavian Republic apartment ball dove Moldova that declared its independence in nineteen ninety really interesting. How to look at a population of about four hundred thousand people the photo shows me says Lawrence attempting, farewell. I think a Cutler posed by the monument to Lenin in front of the Supreme Soviet building interest. Paul as expected, I didn't see very many people running when I was out here. So when I headed out for five thirty AM run, some very strange looks which hopefully had nothing to do with the short shorts. I. I was wearing keep up the good work. He says all talk about comrades brings back. Very fond memories of my one and only run so far so good. So good luck, Tom, Brian, very Lennon esque pose, isn't it like in great, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a really you need a KU. Does the Jewish strains that you? Yeah. Isn't that? Like behind Lenin. Go on getting you need to need to learn your Russian history. Right, right. Moving on Facebook Friday this this month show. Ported by Seoul, running and as mentioned in last week's episode. They asked for our help they wanted to make running where that performs they're constantly looking to improve. They wanted to know or you think makes the perfect running game. What works what doesn't irritates you? What's the things that you wish brands were get just right? We put this on Facebook anyone commented with some thoughts for sore automatically entered into a prize draw into yucky winners will receive the choice of either saw Zillow or recently released tempo saw top. So we thought we would get none other than the fans of Tim saw on the show to talk about what you said about founder of Tim soul. Or Tim saw the founder of Tim saw founder of Tim saw would be different. Team saw the founder of sore running on the show to talk about the things you said about the kit now as you'll know this month the show is sponsored by sore running the team at saw a simple mission to make running where that really performs and they're constantly looking to improve. And so they want to know what you think makes perfect running game. What works what doesn't what irritates you? And the things you wished brands would get right moving forward, and he has a little big experience in this. But it's the founder of so running Tim so welcome back to marathon talk. Tim Martin is a pleasure to be back again. And look you you said you reach that the marathon took community to say, look what things. Really get your goat with running care. And and what things really work for you. And just as a designer. I know that like the functionality in the performance of sore running where like is really important to you. It's not just a it's not just lip service. You pay to this is it. No, it's not an an it's something that's become when when I I to the brand didn't realize how much space the wars to make things that I think what better than ninety nine cents or indeed anything else out there on the market. I think you know, just for historically big companies put a loss of their focus into shoes on powerless being a second second fiddle. If you like understandably because she's a huge market where a pure power brands. So we can really folks in the Powell and really think about ways we can prove things twenty eight changes mob, it whatever. So I think that is a strength of ours. The fact with purely focused on the panel. I've not some big changes little bit. Mommy saying but a little bit like you we've been around for a while. And experience of running clothing active wear is changed isn't it over? Change. And I remember when kind of technical performance cycling game in particular, but also running gear, and then you know, there's sort of that technical wet didn't very well. And it was just like kind of back polyester, you know. I think he. Sweat, and then Branston refocus a little bit. Much more enhanced with the running technical where I think running followed a lot of developments in cycling. For me. Now, this is just a personal vacation Tim now, I actually like my running gear now not to running does that make sense like. Yup. I really like it too. I used to go right knee this high performance moisture working at other than technical running teasha. But now actually want it to look to look and fit and do the job. So my demands are quite fussy. I guess is that common amongst I can go just go for a run by like Mike to work. You know? I mean, yes, totally not you mean, I'm not, you know, precisely the reason the brand up for for exactly those reasons. I want know I felt the same. And and I think as people become more aware of in their everyday lives in, you know, what's just won't close it work, and they want to fit, and you know, all those things that ought to be really simple and often often on because closer rush through poorly constructed or that that done is very much market product. So it's very average, you know, profile all of those things. Yeah. You want to just the work. You wanted to be as just the work in a way that is invisible. So the conception if you like as possible, it's put it on them and get about the beautifully. Not. You know? That's not surprise me. That's prime directive. Now, we've got some comments from people because you did also feedback. So I thought we'd throw a few these I'm sorry. Putting you on the spot now. Yeah, I am. We did you we we genuinely haven't been through these in any detail like beforehand, so I really putting him on the spots. But a common thing that came up to him was pockets like people were saying several small pockets with zips. And this is a particular. I don't know it must be maybe it's just me. I'm not sure. But like when you put something in your pockets and either they're not full closing pocket. So you panic it's going to ban sounds car or whatever all the material around the pocket, so bouncy and floppy bangs against you. When you run and really knew me so pockets pockets, at least one pocket, ideally might more than one Michelle Darlington pockets with zip remarks, Matthew Swain's than I agree with that. There's about pockets, let's have a pocket chat. Pockets have to have zip. Basically, I mean, they absolutely have to have pure up. So there's nothing worse than than worrying about dropping, your kidneys or your credit card. Your phone all on your gels. If you're, you know, ten miles around, whatever. So a totally absolutely have to zip the meals. So the positioning of the pocket bag is really crucial. So, you know, although you say a pair of shorts can have back pocket zipped back pocket actually where that pocket bag sits in relation to the top of your bum. Cheeks is really important if it sits just on top of cheese, then whatever the contents are in the pocket there then rested on that part of your body. So it's it's it's the body and be Islami it if the pocket bikes too long, but lots of products for my initial testing days where the pocket bags to deep rather than sitting on the curve the buttocks, and then it's sticking out and bouncing around and annoying. So position is really important for one. In actually, interestingly on on next generation of shorts. We are now going to start adding a second very small T pocket on the inside. Just yo you want to run with the keen. So so in fact, you don't get that kind of wraps around. So that would be second pockets into them. And then we're developing a specific ratio. What's which will have additional pockets as well? Okay. Say like the pockets will the gel somebody. I'm sweating pocket was a comment when somebody says at the you know, food pocket or gel pocket something that they're looking for. Yes. And I think we we had a few other customers who had done gonna fantastic customization of our shorts. So they could take jobs when running marathons on much the same processes this. Great idea we need to do that. So that would be coming next spring summer. It'll have separate gel pockets which. Easily accessible as was his pocket fuel fuel keys, or what are you taking me marathon run? But, but you know, bits and pieces, and then the other place we do pockets on on top. So all our garments have pockets with the exception of t shirts race fest. Every other garment we'll have the pockets because you know, I know people need to take phone or they keys or credit card or whatever. So it's important all of the pockets zipped and all of the pocket saw strategically placed the body to sit in a place, which will make the contents be as supposed to they possibly come. I remember on in the old tiny short short days when the pocket used to be some Kilmartin. Limited edition short short. I used to just have this tiny little pocket because we're a staged into the inside. It was more of a flat with a little folder pepper. Yeah. You could do nothing with it. Just the most redundant pocket ever. You take go at sometimes I've got my phone and some money into food. And of course, if I do put it in my pocket, the last place I wanted it is wearing pants, Iran. So it's good that you. Positioning. Now, Mark champions has Leon's. He's extreme rain jacket. But while not cable hole in the back of the pockets. So you can listen to music with the cable side the jacket got a quick answer that one the rich now. Yeah. Yeah. The new generation has a whole. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Okay. Now, this is quite common theme a common question, particularly among some of our female listeners and Bethune glints has I think unisex sizing don't work. Well, for a lot of women I've had of raise t shirts, I've not been able to wear them due to them being too big around the waist or shoulders to be honest. Than Tun of rations that I just can't either because then know. Math Made in that. She can I ended up in the car with him. But what is it about that kind of unisex? How do you navigate Iran that at saw? Well, we don't do it for us on a you absolately from, you know, my impressions fashion designer that the thought that you would, you know, a men's golf women's Garmon, you just you know, you'll be locked out the business right away. So are women's garments totally differently. The t shirts cut what all women's garments bus starts even structure gardens because of the the the bus to shoulder to waist to hip ratio is impossible to get it without a totally different shade garment to amend its comments. So the bus even as a t shirt the difference between not just means that you have a you can have loose comment that still fits correctly. So not just about making baggy of a government. It's off the body. That's fine news. But if you cut it properly, it will be consistently news rather than, you know, so consistently of a relaxed fit rather than it being off the shoulders or types costs the bus in fronting around on the rice. So that's for me, absolutely paramount. If you you know, you have to get that, that's your that's your table stakes. If you're not cutting human you into our different events, where your you know, you should be asked the business, and you correct me if I'm wrong team, but you have, you know, a range of women's running where that you're looking to add to in the future. Yes, we'll be. We'll be adding new styles to the line that summer, which is really exciting. And it's great to be to be able to offer. We'll be feel to for within the same range of products that we have for men. This was kind of a long the lines of fit fearing rush, and I've never really thought about this. But I do now I know I'm thinking about it. I have a couple of these talks just like this. I never wear because of this reason fearing we says, I swear old tops. I buy with high necklines have no concept of the size of my neck, please make sure enough in the neck, so I can breathe whilst I run like Hsun. It's just too tight in the neck. It's like being a rutted. You're running is combination. Which is never good note. Just you know, just been doing or to work on again over the weekend just running to talks with different. So the ratio. The does a few of the ratios that that you have to get rights, and it's the color heights and the curved shape that the caller is the frontman drop, which is how far as it have been the net curves on the front the back met with now, I'm cutting a lot of my garments of the moment where the front that drop which is where the call a star on the body of the garment is quite lover than it would be a normal garment. And that means for exactly this reason that means that you can run with the garment fleas at top, and it's really comfortably. It's not garrotting yours not putting up under your chin, which is really annoying as well when you running because what tends to happen when you run is your shoulders got back, and they go up, and it'll Bates because you all. All movement. So that pulls the neckline up little bit, which is wide on lots of garments. You feel like it's because the front neck is being pulled out because of your shoulder position. So yeah, I absolutely know exactly what she means. And we cut it. And so that doesn't happen. Okay. He's another one. The answer to this one. And is from Russell price. I feel like I'm grilling you, Tim, but Russell prices here. We go. Cleese, please, please. This is the second or third time. This is come up not specifically about so product, but just in general, but this is specifically so please, please, please make an F R A. And I think that means fell running association a approved the version of the ultra rain jacket, and he says just add integrated hood says is the best decade ever. But it's not fully compliant for fell races. That's because hasn't heard. Who is this? What was the name of this the question or Mr Martin Roseanne was Russell price. Russell sorry. Well, Russell I hear ya. And we've we've had a lot of other people say the same thing too. So yes, a trail one should trail smash felon version of the altering jacket is in development for next year and just to give a bit of a story about that is. Fa me running into hoods is and I fully appreciate with is part of the rules of trail running fell running as well, it has tablet. Generally, the me running with a hood is with his sub tha mall. No way in my good, hoods, whatever pouring down put a hassle, you know. So not situation. I would always run with the right Jack in the cap. I appreciate that. You know, then you have an additional products go to cop with a couple of out the issue with a with a hood is to get it close fitting. So the the, you know, the wind from your running, you know, the the the arrow even from running forwards catching the hood got close fitting and be able to keep movement is you can do it. For one person's head net shape is impossible to make one that will fit even within single sizing. Single meeting was more relaxed that will fit everyone, which is why didn't do it at first, however Custer's so we are doing one, and we'll we'll make the best possible. Sort of average average is the wrong word. We'll make the best possible fit that we and then and then. Yeah. But generally is a rule. I I think for ease of movement, and you know, if it was if if there was limited amount of choices. I would say always wrong with the rain jacket with a hat on is much more comfortable, and they teach your head free and over that stuff the peak. So so I have a running jacket I wear and it's got a hood on it. And I must admit when I'm doing like. Kind of, you know, working really hard into the rain, and I'm running on the roads. And if I'm just out on a pavement panda, right? And I'm going for it. I'm wet anyway. And I'm not really that bothered. And I know I'm going to be home in probably ninety minutes, the hoods not that important sometimes I wear cap, and I'm going to get wet. And so I just get wet is fine. Now the times if I'm out like when if I was to do long coast to run, for example, an day was battery and the getting hammered by the wind and the rain, and you know, you're out for six hours, and sometimes you're gonna want the hood up to protect you from the the noise win the Ray just kind of want to clear up. So I heard. Two things are like heard that you can close. So it's got. Yeah. Goes. Yeah. Yeah. So you can flows. The same time that doesn't rub your neck raw in some people out some brands, I fit fear of really thought about it. And they just put like kind of like a fabric attachment around the top of the caller. And it stops chin getting rule when you've got that. And the other thing is a wired peak wearing and I put your hood up and the peaks and the peak isn't wired it's redundant because all it wanted to pay actually. Yeah. Flaps rain goes in your face. It's ever put this hood up after the point. I mean, these dominance either if you gonna buy proper you wanna proper waterproof jacket eating when I pull this babble on is going to keep as much of the elements of possible. And then you go it's not wide peak. Yeah. No. I million position. You have to give a fashion designer and running designed close allies. Now, all of those things up -solutely are things on coming scratching my head on because what wants to do is we want to go to produce Agom also go there's still superlight super beatable. And it's juicing things like why peaks, which are totally agree with they the pre complete personality. It's just how you build that in Walsall season, very light fabric as well. Anyway, that's my home that smoke. Got smart. You know, what my job is to resolve those issues rain jacket with is coming next next year. Tim is one thing. Like that's property. But you for ages, you know, and you just can't get it. Right. Oh, okay. Now, you're asking is one thing that's bugging. If you can't brides. No yet. But then with still developing you gum, we have. So I'll give you for instance. We haven't yet which would be will be winter after next a down government of some just shooting. Now, I know that's gonna be have a whole world of of learnings. To get. Right. So we say there's nothing yet. Really? But made you know, there's there's there's always small tweets you can make you know time to do production. Always you can always there's always little bit. You can adjust and anything come Terry on twin tinkering. I I can't tell you something. He's actually that. We would slightly to me with guessing the perfect built in on a structured fabric. That's really comfortable. It's really hard the jacket that you've got straw jacket. You've got some me the the the mitt. Which which it has built into it. It's still not perfect. Yeah. Yeah. So little stiff and it's a little bit. If I was doing a long run for an hour a couple of hours, it's fine. But opposed to really I think probably start find that annoying. Well, it's exactly it depends on your arms, and it depends on hand size. So for the next generation jackets, we're making that mitt a set put Arctic related piece of stretch five break. So that will you not limited by the show up. You can have a lightweight stretch fabric, which then accommodates different home. So that's how was that one. But on that product that was one thing that was kind of frustrating me, if you did common on social post asking your views, then you will be going into drool to win either a source or one of their recent these tempo tops. So thank you for commenting. If you did, and Tim thanks is ever for your continued support this show and feedback on sore design out, and it was is always good to be on. Right. It's time for the news to write your Ron all you have to do is use the hashtag about your one on social and you'll feature on are you on social war, which is a famous read out in the show first off. Oh twisted. Logic ENZA on Instagram run walking to my first double digit distant since Jan slow and tedious. But don't Cal patient. Get to the start line eleven weeks a ten right you on torn cough, muscle recovery. Math oak and Bremerton could work twisted. Logic. This one PJ Wilson. No Cal the runner. We've had that conversation before we not com. Remember to my pacing? I think he's north California. As nor Cal as north California. BA? Run co Q that input. To my pace the club. Tom Trump tonight wasn't feeling it after the long run today. But I must have the motivation for the last kilometer by imagining the approval of Tom Williams Martyn yelling. Holly rash from marathon. Talk is hashtag negative split. It's actually a real flush. She's net. Five nineteen four fifty eight four forty to four twenty five three fifty seven kilometers. Yeah. Well done. I wonder why matching our approval actually looks like do you think we've kind of looks like me news stood sort of next to him furiously in gleefully clamping. You know, like, I think I think she would meet stood there looking like, James Vidal. Thinking about the trae blossoming Tokyo. The joy of that. Although I have to say. Probably any one thing that Trump's a row flush negative split. And that is what Stacey mass than achieve here on Twitter stack. Seventy nine out Staka equal my cost PB windy cannon Hill Park run today. Nine seconds of over apartment PB. My mouse Blitzer pleasing to the eye. She says, they're not sure I could do that. Again. If I tried nine ten says my one seven fifty three mile to seven fifty three mouth three seven fifty three. I think three's enough. I think what what is it that should be a conversion ratio that says three miles the same of better than X number of miles as a Royal flush naked split reckon genius. Can anybody listen to this beat three consecutive mile at exactly the same is what is the little challenge for American to listeners send us your split profiles for your runs in the week who ever can do the most consecutive same malls blitz. What do you think you could theoretically be eighty cross this go one second reading things you can't you can't if you're if you're particularly if you're really quick you can do a pretty long Royal flush Neetu split by starting off slowly yet. So you can kind of control very probably ten miles quite easy. How you anyone do more than actually? Let's impressive. I've never seen more than three miles. Best someone decides week. Anyway, heading cube to lots of inspiration from interview Jackie Newton last week to twenty mile training on very easy. The start train west Rennie's to avoid the Sussex coast wings, ten ten. Nice and fast fast. Finally, Matt at running go daddy on Twitter. I post flu run for take. Math and pot talk podcast with me made it such a nice gentle run in the sun. Exactly. What I need. Keep getting actually we're back to announce Austria running Kemp, the meant to mentioned earlier on the show. So I mentioned it. Now, it's going to be the first of July two the seventh of July in Australia. The lowest Styria region of this will be the third year. We've been going east pretty special. We've had a bunch of people before come along link on this week show notes to a blog that Sarah mart of your success did previously fantastic description of the place and the villone everything else. So if you think coming to Australia with us is something you might enjoy with me, actually because you don't tend to come. But holy might come never revived. 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Right vitality behalf that we can. Wasn't it? Was it was MO Farah wasn't it. I've seen really is somebody dressed up as a at tyrannosaurus. Rex not be able to run down the so windy. It was all the tool of the wind two things wind and MO Farah. And both came to fruition and bit. They it was pretty windy and some oh made it back to back victories. We've got this from London marathon press release he act kicked Basheer at the who. I think is training partner. I was going to say didn't really out kicking today. I think he out keep Daniel Daniel Wenjie ru last year's London among the year before London. Of course, he's preparing for the two thousand nine teen virgin money, London marathon, Iran, sixty one fourteen. To take the win in the women's race. It was Charlotte Poldhu who one of running really well at the moment. Just ahead Steph twelve and seventy thirty eight which after punk run, I think we'll record holders and she. Dean is somebody else got really close recently who got really close recently. I can't remember Dave Dave where is doing his twentieth. London. This year he won the elite men's we'll chat race. They go. Tell you a couple of other Brits in the field. Darry Griffiths fourth sixty three seventeen. Chris thompson. I think v sixty three. Forty one MO after the race Senecal stomach cramp at one point. But it cleared up. It's always great to race in London. Gonna spend the next few days is my family during a head back to eat yoga to continue training. London. Math and still quite way away unhappy with my progress. It was nice to be able to raise today. Look, I mean, it's. London's going to be interesting London Marathi is gonna be fascinating. 'cause he. Yes. To be in with a yes. To be contended. You have to consider a contender because of his performance last year, which was fantastic. But. He's going to have to step up. We didn't really tell us really. It was a kind of a training for really wasn't it. I don't think it's going to. Isn't it? Yeah. Conditions weren't great. And it's a great run. But but I don't think it tells us a huge amount. London's going to be fascinating. He is a contender. He has to go. That lucky did lawsuit be fat to mix up with the big boys. I think he probably would need. Elliot. Keep Choky to not quite have the best day as well. But it'd be exciting gen- genuinely is genuinely exciting to see if Moga anywhere near when London. It makes me want to not go act of gone for the last few years, and and really enjoyed going. It's made me want to not go and watch on telly. 'cause I think because you get to go I found going, but if you want to get into the race and watch it and really see and kind of get absorbed in actually that head to head which is going to which is incredible. Within a lot who is the last British winner, male or female, Paul. It would have been the last British winner of the London windy who is the last male bridge when they're no. Even Martin's even Martin public donor. But yeah, big citing is going to be a London marathons could be a he he's a tiny bit to keep jobs. Not quite as good. We could be of it. We have a fantastic racing. And again, I think it's gonna be interesting in the women's as well. Because a of the Brits are coming into form this Yuming people like are really Partridge us four think fifth actually fifth in the big half. Haiti Carruthers did really well. She was full taking three minutes of PB seventy one fifty seven sheet run. And if the British women lineup on the start line in London again, that's who is quite exciting battle as well. We look forward to watching an unfortunate where if a one reason because. London twenty nine till they London twenty nineteen fulls within the qualification periods for the NBA games. Tokyo, twenty twenty two if you have a really good run London twenty nineteen that could qualify you for London. Tokyo, twenty twenty. Yeah. But the standards high on I'm trying to work out. They so for the marathon to eleven through in China it. Is it for the men and to twenty nine to twenty nine thirty for the women? But the interesting thing is that. Whether this will impact hugely upon British domestic team GB qualifying standards. Other now to what happened is the audible f Cantu met in Doha recently there NASA qualification for track and field at the twenty twenty Olympics. In tokyo. The big change is the W F will be using its world ranking system as a part of the qualification criteria to athletes can qualify for twenty twenty by cheating. The relevant entry standard within the periods. Which I think for marathon running. What is it something like the first of January two nineteen? Oh, sorry. The period story to the thirty first of may twenty twenty. So you've got to run the Olympic qualifying standard between those two times if you wanna be able to chance, but also right also. You can be selected also by virtue of the item. Af world ranking position the prices designed to achieve fifty percent of the target numbers e. Kevin just ever race oughta Liotta ridiculous. Isn't it? If there's one thing designed to put people off its complexity just make the standards relatively easy have raised. I we ever line get it job done. Really starting do in the in the US around the US system, and let run of really good feature on how that could jeopardize. The quality could because I've got a break to eleven thirty. Yes. But so for example, so so British standards will always ran that. Anyway, I think so so they were always set slightly differently, but b o b o c the IOC had standards which were so to give you an indication the previous standard in the let's take the five thousand meters was fifteen twenty four for women. It's nad fifteen ten the ten thousand was thirty two fifteen. It's now thirty one twenty five and the marathon standard for women is gone from two forty five to two twenty nine thirty two. Typically, what would happen is? They would a governing body would go, right? You've got to run the general Olympic standard to forty five that might get you into the trials race. But then you've got to run the. Governing body Olympic standard which could be quicker on that governing body. Standard is often set based on on world rankings. Yeah. So it's going to go down to two twenty nine thirty just to get the Olympic the world ranking system into the equation, anomaly, sure, I like it to be fair. From seal the fence. Let's run make a really interesting point because they say we've always felt little bit like us actually, an individual country should be allowed to send the three people. They want if they re people eligible to go in that event. So. Within a reasonable standard. That means you don't want some country in the middle of nowhere sending a load of people who have three hour slower than everybody else. Well, because that's what that would be actively. What that time is to forty five perfectly sensible for the for the women and could be to fifteen for the man away the differences normally saying is perfect. If the rising collegiate star or pro se on the comeback in from injury shocks at the trials and finishes in the top three then they should go right to for example. If you've finished in the top three in the US trials come from nowhere. And you have an absolute belying that's gonna get impacts, regardless of world ranking if the US had three others creditable to go when now, of course. That may not be the case because. You could finish in the top three, but potential you haven't got world get to go so pool to Lima in two thousand sixteen made the Olympic team with a slow PR put PB for five thousand meters ended up winning Olympic silver twenty-six team. Clayton. Murphy Denver twenty twenty Olympics that only once won the twenty sixteen Olympic trials up runs the impacts. Look, I think ultimately alive said if a long time in the show, I think. Athletics in the Olympics is dying the format is dying. We've just seen the see the how touched they are. You've seen the diamond league of got rid of the five thousand and the ten thousand meters. Yeah. I think that was today that was announced the time league of the longest distance is going to be three thousand. I think. And yet you've got the likes of Ben poaching ten thousand meter PB's doing just the most incredible without a shadow of a doubt. The most exciting night affects last year, and probably philosophize has been ten thousand byu possibly all affects challenge you to show me a more exciting letting event than the night ten thousand vs everything. And that's traditionally you seen was one of the more boring events, you know, twenty five laps of the track. And actually insanely exciting dumb properly. And I just think. Athletics fails, the athletes it fails, the qualifying staff at fails with sponsors, it just as we see fading with the likes of custom menu. We just just nonsense. I think you'll see I think there's not Choon ity a bit. Like we saw in try Flom because I think in triathlon. The fifty Olympic distance is a dollar and all the time. I'm a massive truck long fan, but can be a bit dull and we saw the Super League triathlon. With mce doing really well. And being really exciting and shaking up and saying, you know, what we're gonna we're gonna go head-to-head. We're gonna come up with a completely and I'm not saying accepting comments about the bullet ten thousand. I don't actually necessarily think you do need to have a completely different format in athletics. I think if you got the racing, right? The running side of ethics can be reading meeting exciting, but they just failing again, and again, and again, and I think. Sooner or later, if athletics is going to be saved because in a few generation a few rounds time the Olympics is going to be football and golf and tennis. I don't think it's going to be affects just don't think it is. If athletes is going to be saved somebody within afla ticks needs to go. Hang on a minute. There's something we can do here and they need to do independently. From all the establishment forget about me lympics forget about the world champs. Forget about all this stuff. Do something completely different and innovative and interesting that ticks all of those boxes. Rian don't let his is going to really really about this before haven't we just the love of the pure race, which started even the ideals of the faster stronger higher forgotten. You know, it's like basil on. On the purity of competition, and that's well, that's kind of gone a tiny bit be interesting to see weapons. He's actually take so much of is going, and it's just gonna die. We all five hundred days to go today. Five hundred days to go into the twenty twenty an MP games. Now. Yuki H E won't be there. Now, I never thought we we never thought he would he just ran to nine twenty one his thirteenth sub two ten clocking of his career. I think is a bad to go professional as well. He's the reigning Boston marathon champion. Of course, he was eighth in the lake be were marathon eighth-place running to nine twenty two is one by Sela Busa into seven fifty two. Now, if selected we got this. From the af is selective the world championships in Doha twenty nineteen. How are you g? We'll skip the marathon grand championships the MDC, which is Japanese the Japan Olympic marathon team trial. So can you really qualified for that? But if he if he gets a run the world champs, he won't be competing at the marathon Trimble. I don't think he's got chance going to Olympic Z. I really let you keep having. They set to. Well, I don't think he's massively popular with the stylish in Japan is a story we hear again, and again, and again and haven't they set some ridiculously haunt thing in the trials. So that the fast. Yeah, I think you're right. Let the the winner of the trials goes through if they run to six something. Yeah. Whilst rubbing their tummy impacting the head. I mean, it's like this is gonna be really hard for anybody to do it. Which is almost certainly Yuki is not going to be there. And then aren't the to somebody Mike's Oviously some super-quick runners, and then on the other places like it gives them the freedom to choose who they want to. I don't think you UK has expected to go to lympics or expects to go to picks could be totally wrong. I'd love to see him there. A huge Yuki fan. I just don't think you won't be going. If he didn't do the trial, and that's not looking Mike Lee at speaking of trials. It was the world championships cross country trials this past weekend. And it was good to see Adam Hickey back making a wig taking the time to ESPN twelve years since Adam Hickey lost may be team. The audible world cross-country chance back in two thousand seven he ram in Mombassa. As a junior impressed with whole. She's Neil bra this past Saturday. He won the senior men's title ahead of Ross Millington bookings place to the world champs. I think in Denmark later on this year. To interject ever-so-slightly not being distracted by Twitter. But did you know the opening vote of the twenty nine teen crisp World Cup is out on Twitter group wanted to up tonight. John know who's in group one, okay? Scampi fries. Bug abides barbecue hula hoops. And we lease can be fries fries, a win that voted just voted Scampi fries. They are currently in second place on twenty two percent with barbecue. Not surpri skill fries always win because the the state leave you fingers in. I have not had Scampi fries forever. But they were one of my Staples carry on the British indicators and the world cross trial, and we've had her on the show really great up and coming runner Jenny and on what he's full of enthusiasm and energy for her running. She's a Welsh champion. She took the senior British title with it booked her place at the world cross country championships to she said afterwards. Luckily, most of figure out the course apparently was bit twisty shit. I'm over the moon this next bit with two Kate ago. Hailstone started coming down I decided to push on the Mark of a champion. So well done. Listen talk podium. It's time for this the podium and for the second time in living memory. There's more women on the podium than me doesn't happen. The second. So don't forget get on the listener podium. We have to do is make sure your events or on our events pages. As also have included on the launch pad. You can just search for your event. If you can't see it if you can't find it, then you have to add it, and then you add on onto that event. And that's had the podium is calculated and this week topping so top of the math and talk listener podium Ambato this week for men number one on the marathon to the champ this week at the Cambridge band re run running three thirty two. Oh, six Ben cons of winter of niggly. Injuries coupled with rain strong winds or gentle breeze Thome would say going to muddy hill at twenty four miles put paid for sub three thirty. But I did still manage us six minute PB. He said, I would marry recommended for those you prefer to shy away from the large big city marathon crags well-done, Ben you are top of the math and. Took podium this week. Nice. Tell you there is a funny story that reminded me juniors on Sunday and Aston so rosy chilling aspect. Hating and Ashton's Helen's run director in aston's running walking. Really? We did about every eighteen something. And there was a bit walking running. We have we had a lotta fun. It was really good. We're coming up finished rate. And almost the entire field is finished a where we are right at the back to kids under something we. So we're going to finish Troy is about fifty hours ago. What, you know run rate small face not competitive and all that kind of stuff I'm jogging along with them. He looks is any four listeners. Don't know. He's any four it looks over shoulder sees behind him. And let's just hey, mom, eight mile Hetherington show out as then don't look back. All you see losers. Yeah. Anyway, John Mack, Jan MAC around. She's a fourth place in women's podium. She ran for twenty four nineteen bresca Brescia Brescia marathon training. One for comrades says John reminder that I need to be doing more long runs on a minute. A marathon, John almost double the longest I've done as marathon distance. Isn't yet feeling comfortable? You make me feel guilty Kathy basil of Thames meander half marathon or marathon, four three thirty nine said, my twenty first attempt for sub full marathon alas not to be this time. But Stoneking PB of navy three minutes. Just the same. Well done copy, four hours, three minutes. Thirty nine seconds in crazy. Windy conditions are pushed myself limit and trained like I've never trained before Maryland twenty two here, we come. She says I'll tell you what four Rothe anybody. They can do for three can break for you've proved yourself. You can do it. You just need to to get it. Right. And have a bit like on the day. So well done Kathy and good luck. Next time second the women's podium Fiona Carter the Dorney lake marathon three ten she van fabulous racial chocolates, goodie bag pick and mix at the end beautiful. I've pulled out of racing Jude. But I wouldn't mind the goodie bag and I still like. Hollywood have liked that she's about cost ten times two point six two mile Apso you smiled and waved the hallway round a huge support from other runners nothing to vote apart from the hideous wind. And if you how stones the last mile PS the door in wall is on Amazon prime there. We go. Watch the note. Get to see how many can loads of love. Well, it's also Netflix. I think we get load to love. I am also sure media for recommending the dorm wall every two people saying thank you so much recommending it calmly, or it was amazing UNITA's what yourself out you seem to have a lot more television time than I do. But probably true time, we cool that. See we eight to five o'clock. So do we do we to five each of five or six if we can we eat for kids? Go to bed the kids are normally they weren't tonight at hurry or renders tantrums tonight, but normally they're asleep by sevenish. And then we watch something nice on telling catch we own a pro Burt around the Bosnian math, and she's topped the women's podium this week to fifty nine oh, three super sunny. Running bus loaner well organized and great crowds on the vote. Happy to depend on three hours. She says. Fantastic. Training for the Mozart Nara thin in Austria in June. Is going really really well. Yeah. It's good. It is good. It's good guys. It's really good guys. Yeah. Feeling positive really really positive and good. Yeah. Haven't run for a week the whole seven days because of this car injury. But I'm feeling positive. So that's good. That is really good. And I I think I'm coping with his injury. Really? Well, really really, well, I've got this psychologist sauteed. Yeah, I'm all over here. I'm feeling great. That over runners those who are at the moment would have a little bit more respect for those of us who are currently injured, especially those of us who are injured in the build up to a marathon. But how'd you could look at your own behavior may be for one keep your ruining exploits off social media? You gotta pay great while done. What are the happen to humility people? Don't even focal humble oh. Oh, it humbled me. I was truly truly humbled people love that. So just for a while. Just well some of us are injured just just just those runs social media, please. Thank you that helps that really helps. The most driver to if you could I don't wanna see a lot of people ruining a mass driver feed. So if you're going to those guys jets automatically uploaded his driver just tweet is for me just to look at anybody. And if you if you must run, please just don't do in public. It's very very difficult to what runners out there. Especially in terrible weather conditions ruining and joying sport achieving something, it's very very difficult. So please just just maybe run in the early hours or in a gym or in a private got private treadmill somewhere in a darkened room. So I don't have to see you running doesn't make me jealous. The IB if you really want to show solidarity though to your running brethren who are currently injured, then just don't run. And I think if you didn't run in some press sort of way. We all feel very appreciative. Yeah. So it's going really good. It's going good. And like I say I'm dealing with the injury. Very very very very well. Joining us on this week's marathon to interview is Melissa call. Now, if you were watching the European indoor athletics championships last week using Melissa storm to fantastic bronze medal in the race. Where Laura Muir took the gold Melissa fantastic bronze-medal performance in a new personal best and Welsh record. I think of eight thirty eight she's also the world record holder over three of five K inanimate. Does I think she'll probably correct me over that? She is also the Commonwealth bronze medallist over fifteen hundred meters in go coast. He got that last year again, representing Wales she's run for three fifty two meters. Fifty four for five thousand meters and eight thirty eight for three thousand meters. But more importantly, she took the pool park run record. From Liz when she ran sixteen fifteen for pope run. So welcome to marathon to Melissa. Thank you. Thanks for having me. It's good to have you on this show. Like what a run that. We can listen, I honestly, we were sat on our couch. And we were watching you know, 'cause a lot of the is on the race. Laura and. Devastating performance. But you were right in the thick of it. Was that always the plan? Yeah. Definitely. So I went into that race. And I'd run the second quickest time behind Costa album, mostly Moorhead, mushy a three day in goals. So I knew I was in good shape. But the race if such a stack failed he has Asia McColgan in the race wanna metaphor smell goes Netherlands, Germany a world cross field. So I wanted to be in the mix then give my best scam scandal that's hard to do though with a little bit more in a moment about your, you know, your growth as a young junior athle- in Poon induce it what a place to grow up, and, you know, under coach local coach Pouliot, and I think now you coach by rook Denmark. Yep. We'll talk a little bit about how you've moved up through the ranks. But if we stick with that run the moment, it's quite daunting. Isn't it and many people listening to the show will never have run on an indoor track K? So new run Brownsville is that European Indoors? Tell us a little bit about like how indoor is different. And then what happens when you do a championship race indoor level that to level? I think facing indoors is. So tricky anyway to three case a bit easier than some of the distances such as eight hundred whereas you know, trying to get the right position. But I found the three I was struggling the first collapse to good position. And all I kept thinking about my coach was watching this. What are you doing not in the right position you need to be in a better position? But it's so hard to get round the bends and to get round people. And I'm quite lucky being sure I don't mind being, you know, on the on the hill of such on the indoor track is still really hard to get round people who tool longer legs and a lot of Gaza my race in stolen being hottest get around. It seems. You had to really focus in that race. Because what's the doctrine, what was her name and wearing Costa the woman that went not really quickly and Lewis kinda biding time. And you're in the group to. You're you on the spot. The debt show. And so I didn't move. Doesn't matter. And we noticed that once when you those little gap wasn't there that formed in every thousand meters, and like that's hard to do on a three K indoor to maintain that. You must have known that meadow was kinda there, but it's never completely there. Right. Yeah. It was really hard because I was actually behind wine Costa, an English, mclovin. At this point. Boy, very told. So it can China get round really difficult, and I suddenly saw now from the Jaman. And Laura followed, and I had this reaction booth such a slow reaction to get pasta. That already had this time use a gal me and then. Yeah, I just kept going, and I was just oh, what do I do? Do. I really commit try and catch them up. But then do I risk blowing up later on in the race? So yeah, I had to make sure I held that myself a little bit because they will be running really fast, and we still had to think about six hundred to go. I think she went about mile to go. Neurone about four or five fifteen hundred. Yes, second fifteen hundred you couldn't be much lower than that. Now. I reckon must've been may four Levin, l maybe. So this Indo PBS today is it because you're out to appease what for three. Yeah. I haven't ranking hundred dollars for thinks twenty fourteen Saran about four fourteen. So that's impressive to do the impressive thing for me as well. Was to you know, we talk about putting quite a lot. But to make that decision which he did then he kinda find yourself in the spot where you've gone for it. He's got a kick it. Yeah. And I knew the jam and Elena Ray, she's run really well, and she was right behind me. So it was quite hard because I didn't wanna fully commit, and then you know, tire out than she actually catch me. I lose the meadow and get forth. So it was really difficult trying to like every time. I went poss- the back straight. You could see on the big screen when she was. So I was trying to save. Little bit each time. I knew I'd have good speed at the lost two hundred needed it. I just didn't wanna go to I kind of international at this level. I guess was at the two thousand fifteen European champs under twenty three level over fifty Alice. My best so twenty one then so yeah, I his tenth the final was straight final. But I very very badly. Actually, just tactically just very inexperienced rain all I was doing in. So this level where what for years four years after that? That's been a pretty. Good full years. How old Maria asking twenty five? Okay. So I guess in track running like the next few years are going to be peak years for you. Are you able to in those for years you've gone from? Okay. European. Championships as as an under twenty three finishing tenth in fifteen hundred two Commonwealth bronze over fifteen hundred last year. And now two European indoor pro LeBron's as well at senior level. You know, that's good rise a good sensible progress. Like sounds crazy many Plitt like that. Well, it does it doesn't. It does send crazy in one sense. But it doesn't if you're high quality ambitious athlete, you know. And and you know, I kind of know how that feels having been married to one for a long time. So what's next like if you sat down with Robin goal? Okay. We just did this. What's the plan? The plan for twenty nineteen was always been the world championships in Doha. And then the indoor season is always rub doesn't like to focus too much on it is they know if I'm in good shape. I'm in a good place where racer if not we'd rather just keep training going for the outpost season and before European Indoors. I hadn't really done much speed record toll. So we are actually quite surprised in Bush champs against lower. I ran a fifty nine last four hundred Anna, I haven't run that quicken trainees office. So you know, it was really positive to show that doing listen actually helped my speed so long time now just go back after now this week of heartbreak and gave out to training and back to more mileage longer sessions. Another focus will be an for world championships in will that be over fifteen hundred meters five thousand probably the five thousand okay, I'm not winning see out in the fifteen hundred. But yet probably the five thousand I think that's the event I could actually have the most potential intervention. She wrote fifty four in and you said you moving towards reshi van in fat will pay Bs last year over fifteen three am five. Do you know what you've got to do to qualify for the team gets fifteen twenty two is the time and then talk to Charles, okay? In these five as meter running quite competitive at the moment, you know, like. In terms of British year until eight McColgan has run around fifth fourteen forty nine I think something like that. And then Steph twelve was also part of the five he teamed violin moisture she's having stepped up to the math in. So she maybe tank K as well. So yes, is is competitive the fifteen hundred I would say is more competitive. And but then there's also the likes of door Weightman who's fifteen hundred Reina who's gone run a very good five gay. So it just depends on people decide folk some motorboat like. The following year. The Olympic yet. Yes. I in twenty sixteen I was actually Hoffa's economic qualifying times the fifteen hundred which to me, I was like amazed. I couldn't believe I got that close to it. Never even crossed my mind could even qualify. So it's which is clean as being four years since that list. And I think the five thousand will be the focus, but then athletes do double new fifteen hundred five K. So it just depends the timetable when event I think is my strongest point. On that. Yeah. I think we change training until like for the combat games we trained for the five K, and I ended up winning about fifteen hundred. So we know that this endurance approached suits nailing United quite high mileage ado of possessions. I love I threshold running this kind of thing very based. As in many people listening to this will be perhaps half marathon marathon, Monday, they'll go out to long sessions two long runs. What does that look like for a year? Opean Commonwealth medallist over fifteen three thousand meters. Like, what's an endurance? As you've put it kind of week. Look like. Durance weeks in my high lines weeks. So my highest manages about ninety miles. Yes. This isn't it now that rubbed Denmark? I probably average more eighties. Most year. What could winter the summer drops down to around sixty five? Sisu fairly high. But I think that just suits me. I've gradually picked my mileage throughout the years as I said, it'd be running I was eleven so it's not so many dress up ninety miles week. It's been a gradual progression. And then my longer runs which I loved him once and for math not long runs, but fifteen miles is probably my longest. What are those sessions? Look like, you know, like what's Ted just walk us through some of the United quality workouts before Christmas. I had a quite high mileage block in one of the key sessions. I have was five by two gay on the track. About two minutes recovery in that. And when I I will that session let written down on my training peaks. I thought only go that's a little I've never done session that room before. And so this is just all the folks that we've been doing focusing on that what ten K on get me fit for the five km other sessions. We've done where Forbes favorites he gives me a lot in some way, even as well as ten by eight hundred. And it just depends what kind of shape whether he gives me two minutes recovery or whether we get down to seventy five seconds outlook. He wants to move the goal to run ten of them consistently. Would you run them? Very like how does that work? Yeah. Normally consistently. We oh, I always starts below bits. Never. I take a while to warm up into sessions. So same for racist. We have to make sure my wolof is so good because I'm not very I take a while to kinda get going. Why does suit makes few Napster get going fifteen hundred needs to be on it straight win. Yeah. Really going for it. So let's start a little bit of a little bit of background because you don't just we mid Commonwealth and European senior level. Without some kind of context and background. And you've been I run for a long time now in the evening twenty five in oh, it's been kind of looking at your your some of your history in results. And I'm looking at you know, as an under thirteen you're running the twelve hundred for your club. I think was still a member of born with view shifty clubs. Yeah. I'm still member. Okay. He's still member brilliant. And you doing the under thirteen competitions was that when it all started? Yes, I think I was about eleven when I first on my club. So I joined efforts club. My sister actually was a member of Boma as club. So she cities printing by was really interested in running when she was running. I was always swimmer. And I only at she went to the club because couple of my friends from swimming going them, and then kind of Easter at one a couple of school races have beat the boys at school or something at the image quite good at this. And then yeah, I confront from there. I met mount poorly. Probably we are when I was about eleven and I remember Jianguo Wessex cross country. And I just remember him. Give me this vice to stick behind this girl for this worries m my dad remember vividly. He was I just stay behind the Hawaii know you have a good run. If you stayed Costa. And I did it for half the race. Nice. Frustration. As wine was mistake behind so off I went and I ended up finishing second in the race. But I was so noisy. I could one if I didn't listen to. So I've always been very competitive from from the beginning. Really? When did you realize? So what you're what you're seeing? Correct me if I'm wrong. But like what you're seeing at the moment is hang on. I could really do this at senior level in the last couple of years later. It's like, oh, maybe I can actually really do this because of the difference that it takes to run on the global stage. You know, it's very different to running even nationally to to make that step. And in the last couple of years you've started to do that. When when did you think, oh, I can do this running thing? You know as a child. I think ever since I was little it's all at wanted. Today. I've won racist for the county championships by the leagues and everything. And I ended up winning English goes medals. So I did have some won nationals as well. So had some successes as young but around fourteen which is my PB was about four twenty five them off to that. I didn't actually wanna pee fifteen hundred until I was nineteen. Had five years of just yet plateauing Rayleigh. But I never everyone always asked me. Now, all how did you keep running? Like, why did you want you to stop like lots of goes to that age? But I always love running just enjoyed it had such a good social group my friends with running club. And I couldn't imagine my life without running. And I never once thought about packing Anatole think that. Pule love for running. I think I think is the social side. Like, I said I used to swim. It's such a different thing. When you're in the swimming pool in your heads down up and down not kings chapter anyone, but you know at that club in the cross country leagues in track races. You have this group of your friends, and is just fun. I've just always enjoyed it going on Wednesday people. Even now that there's a group of guys I trained with here enough were when we weren't together most days, but special on ones this, you know, five or six of us together. And we're just trying the hallway that's why does love is just a funds for to be a part of. Like. Had fun. Look because often we see. People training at your level. And lots of the time is fun. But the time it's also quite serious. Does it become not fun? You know, Maine is always I think I do always enjoy even those really hard sessions that rub sets nothing less impossible at onto that. I almost excites need to join won't to do or twitchy those tug at times. And I think is about the team around you of been very lucky that my parents always been so supportive from young age announcing left bre, my fiance's an athlete as well. So we both in athletics kind of bubble such and then a goal the Gaza train with and that makes a difference. I think you know, I went through a period where I didn't really have many people to train with join university and by that point ago. So I was running as an agenda had all kind of start from it. Just happens, isn't it? So I ended up being the only one left, but I went teen Vesti star with the boys a bit, and it was just a change of scenery. And it was you know, was fun like different running routes or different sessions. And I love being pods investi team his again, it was such a social side like we had office country races face pain. You know, you'll part this big team. And that's the fun part in the isn't individuals sport. And everyone helps you same as now ready. Not some of the boys I trained as well. They often helped me in pace my sessions, which is great. So actually, I did a session before Europeans with them as some stops. He's Ryan this weekend at the country, but he was doing Ma reps. And then the other boy gerbil concern was doing twelve hundreds. And then I had eight hundreds I in really well together, which I think is really night fun way to do it when you know, see that much quicker runners than I am. But the fact I was doing half what they were doing mint. We run together. Like, it's great. When you have that. It's reminiscent of of lease actually doing some training with other people and you based in love for now is that where you are. Yes. Men Ashra moved here about three years ago. Now, we actually went because Admiral coaches so for him. It was the setup he needed move to and then two years ago, I moved to coach by resent just to kind of shake up your training bit. 'cause you know, why how come you were moving. Did you wanna change, you know, having coached by not since I was eleven. I don't see a lot of my success to Markey got me to running for seven when I left him. So you got me to a good time. And I made European senior championships in two thousand sixteen with him. And you know, you can't going all those on processes in that kind of area. But I just felt like it was it was time. I needed to make a change like if I was going to make the next step. I was going to have to do something a bit different annals Cada fulltime job using a member of them like the club champion, so many others. And I just sell if I really needed someone who's gonna focus on new solely to get the best outweigh. And then rope was already based here in Missouri. Helping me a little bit and such a good five K run back in the day as well though. It was just that can natural progression. And we get on so well on. Yeah. I'm so happy in the move so much. The successive had last couple years him. These really got me into Brady good form. And he knows what looks me. So like how to get into the best shape east, very? Good that he's really important. Isn't it to understand in that that coaching that coaching relationship? We well. I mean, I think somebody does, you know, understand you really really is you parents. They've always been supportive of your running. Yeah. And I definitely by. We can engrossed goes. Well. Yeah. Anyway, my dad actually ran across the finish line. So he was there when I finished I up to see him as well. So that's very good. They always come to support me in even in the summer. My dad flew out to watch the my races the five K as well. My race in nine Megan. It was and he flew out to help us support me. So yeah, that always coming on helping me and always on the end of the phone when I'm to wanna talk about my sessions, bad days or anything. I think was it back in twenty fourteen twenty fifteen you a little ill. And you've been diagnosed with you told me what it was cool. But I can't remember the name. What is it ES code OTC deficiency on its heritage metabolic disorder? And I was diagnosed with this actually in twenty seventeen but I had my first full. Kind of like incident with it in twenty fifteen. So does this mean new training the whole time and then suddenly twenty fifteen summing different clicked in yet? What I was. I think now back at it. It national makes sense in this periods of like my life. I know that I've been well in that we didn't really know what was wrong. We just didn't wait understand it not in twenty fifty nine in hospital. I was in Portugal training camp. I was really lucky that my dad was on this training camp as well. Because he could come with me hospital. But I don't remember I was very delirious, very confused. And then I stayed in intensive care for about five days. Yeah. So it was quite scary. Because there was such a language barriers that we had no idea what was going on off the line. An yeah, they they kept asking what medication? I was on. All I was doing it didn't seem to Stanley was athlete than they saw had a band on this at Kenya. Because Kenya that you on account. So they put something from Kenya. Nonstop. We didn't really know what was going on. So it wasn't until we came home that we had to see specialists, but again, no one actually came to the Balsam of what was wrong with me. So I had them. They assumed it was my live liver because it was really inflamed in most of the tests, but after having a liver biopsy proved that was actually nothing wrong with my ever. So you kind of back to square one in Canada's put on the back burner was I it doesn't affect me that much and keep running keep training and yet didn't affect me until two year later again on a training camp this time Spain, and that was in two thousand seventeen and I was with Welsh Essex the time, and I was very lucky that my physio king with me job. Because again, I didn't remember towards delirious in confused. And then after that, we would see different specialists really push to get the Bom of it. But it's quite uncommon disease in Omya Inc. Maybe could one in two hundred thousand people have him and normally. Diagnosed when you're very young on this more common, boys. So I didn't really fit any of these criteria. But it seems like since you got to the bottom of that. And you go appropriate treatment for that running is Ned just do. So take an upturn as well. Yeah. Is improved much since then I think you can understand so much more about my buddy now because of the it was under a lot of stress in. They don't how much running actually influenced because probably not many people disease in than the good idea every day in Rabat way. And they just think that's because I'm pushing my body so much to the extreme it's actually made made meal. Really that could be it could be a contributing factor is a genetic predisposition. Well, I think it's more genetic disease thing, but the running could be making it worse. I mean, I'm quite lucky. I do him you have acute, but some people have changed the diet. So educated incident a disease that you can't digest protein. This has been a bit of a tricky question. But. Does that ever make you think? Okay. Let's you've just said the running might not be good for it. But they don't really know. Right. So does that ever met? You think is this worth it? Definitely not. I think it's asking fine. Like I lost. Doctors actually always really interested in why do for a living. I'm running. No one's ever told me that Conran run. So we asked me, I think I think as long as careful the make sure I take the medication. I have to kind of look at my diet a little bit. But because I do anyhow the disease acutely Ismael too much of a stress is not restricting my protein which need for running. Like if you go sports college degree. Yes. So we see you. You seem like, you know, an addict not that. Well, but you seem well balanced. In your approach to your training and racing. You know, you have good solid relationships in place around you as well. Mom and dad, and you know, coaching relationships things that you're describing. But we also see lots of. Lots of athletes coming up through the system for whom there things are a problem. Right. As a medalist, and an athlete that younger athletes are looking up to now, like we'll advice you have for them. I think the most important thing for me throughout all the is TI to just enjoy it. And that's what I've done throughout in the fourteen years. I've been running through so many different hard times my illness. But also for me like prattling for those years when I loved his fault, but I wasn't improving, but you just going through semi changes 'specially, young athletes. I think that's important to realize that you know, how your plumbing fourteen years old is not the Bill Rando. And if you don't get if they wanna make Olympic team one day, just because they didn't get a DVD does not mean not going to happen had to wait. So I was twenty one even for let's say the quest country. I tried to meet the cross country team for Europeans as junior never happened. Now twenty five finally made the team. So I think is just about being patient, and that's very hard thing to be for young athletes on enough the in general, but just being. Patient in joining this fall. Of course, a very been been running for fourteen years, actually, still got really exciting and hopefully long and rewarding career ahead of you have thought marathon running. Yes, definitely Eric. Yeah. Now, I did I think stepping up to the five K last night. I asked five in weeding joy, the training decide k and as I said, I do Lunga miles anyway. But then I kept thinking when I was wearing the psyche. The some of that I could actually do a ten game one day, maybe. And then I'll see, you know, ten K under math in like I would. I definitely would. I don't think I want to run the math in just for fun. I have to go that I really wanna give everything. I can't see myself ever being like, yeah. Just go run around with my friends. I think I'd be too competitive for that to see I think we are in future. Hopefully one day definitely trying to think so this was twenty eight I think when she made her first Olympic Games and that was marathon running. Yeah. So you got three years. I wanna stick to the fifteen in five cat will look things improve. And now I wanna get low quicker those distances fast. But definitely don't ruled out the Tangane math one day. We all everybody being to be this. Same question. Right. Intrigued with your answer. So. If you go into and you probably do this anyway, run and train for one single mile. An you're gonna try and run that mile as fast as you could with six months of perfect training. Have foster you're gonna do that mile. Topping our table with three forty eight is loaf. Mo farah. Andy badly. Let me see if I can go down and see the first female, not sure what do you reckon come on six months? Perfect training. You've just got medal at European championship. You are in the foam of of your life to this point what you're gonna run one flat act Mylan PBS four twenty on the word. So I I I'd lie. I'd like to say something like four eighteen. Yeah. I think the Welsh around full seventeen o f a goat. Don't you? Hope you hold the world record. Yeah. It's gusty ways record. So is new record. It is. Good recold. Yeah. But you hold the three in the five you may as well. Take the fifteen. I mean that takes you down to a four minute fifteen hundred doesn't it? I mean, that's definitely go when they're really want to break four minutes for the sustain so yeah, I probably before seventeen four eighteen is Kobe possible. If I wanted to do that. Gonna put you on. Let's give you the four seventeen. Because that that puts you one second ahead of Jo pavey. No president and one second behind. Julia. Please stale ju- member. There you go you in pretty good company there. Pretty good company. Listen, Melissa, thanks so much for for coming on the show, lovely recovery and food seeing your summer results, particularly as you get ready for Doha and then onto hopefully Tokyo twenty twenty much. Thank you for having me on the show. Right by the week. What's up? What do I will? 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What can go wrong? Beautiful working garment stuff this week Virjee money. London math in live Facebook again closer to race day. That's this Friday at six o'clock. I tell you what though I tell you all it's a late London marathon this year is really like London with which is given people an extra couple of weeks training compared to normal years. Do you think that I know Maly it's like thirteenth or seventeenth or something, isn't it? We've laid the twenty two weeks later than it has bay. It's the twenty ninth a week is that right? The twenty twenty and a week later. Normally is that twenty first twenty second week. So they want to make a difference people mafia they'll be. Much. What about you? What are you up to? What am I doing? Running a little bit more lifting. Hopefully by the time we record again on done another. I can't call that long run. You can't call twenty five K long. Can you? What is is? It just you haven't done any loan for about twenty five relative. We're not really it's relative to distance training for is that ninety done. Well, now that's not fair because then you could just do a mile one week to a long run two miles. Love the long run three miles. Like, it's got to be this. Thirty K has to be. I think you'll long is wrong to be in the build up comrades marketed. Ryan table. Marathon distance. I think what twenty six point two miles. Then you well-done, I've always said twenty two miles. What did he go marathon distance? What's your longest distance for say twenty six point two miles run the piping? Not those things anymore. I think I I've always felt that training for comrades. You can if he wants to get round and enjoy it then trading from earth. Doing math is income rate. Is is doable. Yeah. I've always felt that. So I'll probably do roughly of fairly light marathon training program going up to kind of twenty miles twenty four miles. Maybe then I'll probably I'm not going to do an organized math about probably run marathon distance. And then and then go from there. So I think yeah, they got to see by think thirty K commit. I'm gonna commit live on the show that along one's going to be thirty K four. If you're training for comrades to call a long run. I'm going to by the time we ever called again. He says wondering if he can counsel the next few recordings as the twenty five thirty K by next homes on a comrades mission to support his dad. Not be the keep up with his done. I'll be the sun that leads his dad. Dan rea a lifetime. Imagine. They're gonna paulie shore say dive go without. Dreaming Vince fifty five years doing back there? Right. Three looking to launch Patty's taking the events usu- of MIT. The mountain talk events pages all marathon, talk dot com. It's high posts results for the podium and this week. It is the logical Cyprus marathon on Sunday seventeen March. So so the, hey Hugo land. Marathan? 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