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S18: Lethal Ladies: Cleopatra Pt. 2
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Drive your ambition. Learn more at mitsubishi cars dot com in spring two thousand five a lawyer from the dominican republic named kathleen. Martinez visited the office. Zahi hawass the egyptian minister of antiquities in cairo hamas had given martinez permission to take photos at an ancient temple complex tapa cyrus magna located about thirty miles outside of alexandria martinez had told him. She wanted to photograph in church within the complex but now revealed she had a terrier motives for visiting tapa cyrus magna martinez believe that hidden. Somewhere within tapestries. Magna there lay one of the most historically significant sites in egypt history. She believed tapa. Cyrus magna contain the lost tomb of cleopatra in life. There's so much we don't know but in this podcast we don't take. We don't no for an answer every week. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. Welcome to unexplained mysteries on the podcast network. I'm your host. Richard and i'm your host molly. Welcome to part two of our investigation into cleopatra's lost tomb last week. We took an in-depth luck into cleopatra's legacy and discussed how the story of her reign became warped due to roman propaganda. We also went through the history of alexandria which served as the egyptian capital during the ptolemaic dynasty and how many of its landmarks including cleopatra's tomb. Where lost through a combination of natural disasters and political upheaval. Cleopatra has been lost for over two thousand years. While a great deal of alexandria's history is being uncovered through underwater excavations. The location of cleopatra's tomb has remained elusive. But it might not be lost for much longer this week. We're taking a deep dive into kathleen martinez search for cleopatra's tomb as martinez finally found this elusive barrel site or will her search. Be at another dead end. But first we're going to go through a general history of egyptology for the study of ancient egypt and show why kathleen martinez's potential discovery of cleopatra's tomb could be significant. Not just for the field of egyptology but for all history. The field of egyptology began in earnest when western scholars accompanied napoleon bonaparte egyptian campaign from seventeen ninety eight to eighteen. O one the resulting book describe shown dylan gpd gabe europeans easy access to material on ancient egypt. For the first time before napoleon came to egypt the only way for europeans to learn about the country was sue the tax of ancient greek and roman writers such as herodotus and strongbow. There was no way to get information from primary sources in egypt because nobody knew how to read hieroglyphics after octavian defeated cleopatra and mark antony and thirty one bc roman culture was instituted in egypt and the knowledge of how to read hieroglyphics was gradually lost. The only surviving form of the ancient egyptian language was preserved by the cops or christian. Egyptians the coptic alphabet replicated ancient egyptian grammar using a combination of greek and demotic the common language from ancient egypt. European scholars were able to learn coptic after a german jessica. Priest named athena's kirscher published a guide to it in sixteen forty three however. This knowledge wasn't particularly useful knowing. Coptic allowed people to learn how to speak ancient egyptian but they still couldn't read hieroglyphics but that all changed with the discovery of the rosetta stone discovered by one of the polian soldiers in seventeen ninety nine. This black stone slab contains writing. In greek demotic and hieroglyphics after the british defeated napoleon in egypt in eighteen o one. The rosetta stone came into their possession and british scholars began the task of deciphering it. Ironically it was. A frenchman named john shrines suave shampoo. Leone who had cracked the rosetta stones code using illustrator of the stone shampoo. Leon was able to use his knowledge of greek and coptic to identify the corresponding hieroglyphics and how to read them. With the ability to read hieroglyphics now unlocked. European expeditions began to descend on egypt. The egyptian government opened the country to these expeditions which unfortunately led to the plundering of artifacts from ruins on the bright side it also led to the establishment of the first antiquities museum in egypt and the ministry of antiquities with the help of frenchman. Goose mary at the ministry began to curtail the uncontrolled and removal of important artifacts from egypt. A popular site for these early. Expeditions was the valley of kings. A royal battle ground used from around fifteen thirty nine to ten seventy five. B c e at first mapping of the area and recording of the various tombs was a haphazard venture until archaeologist flinders petri instituted scientifically controlled excavation practices more in line with modern procedure. Although many of the tombs in the valley of the kings had been looted by thieves throughout history some were still stocked with dazzling treasures as well as items that provided a glimpse into ancient egyptian daily life and culture such as furniture clothes and mummified pets by the early nineteen. Hundreds sixty two tombs had been discovered in the valley of the kings and many considered it to be completely excavated other notable sites such as the pyramids of giza were similarly well documented but there was at least one team that was yet to be discovered in nineteen o seven american businessmen and archaeologist theodore. M davis discovered items bearing the name of the pharaoh. Tutankhamun in a cache of embalming fluids and other burial items davis didn't think much of it he had never heard of this mysterious tutankhamun before and didn't think it was worth pursuing however the items piqued the interest of british archeologist. howard carter with the aid of his patron. The earl of carbon carter secured a permit to search for king tutankhamun tomb in nineteen fourteen. Unfortunately world war one temporarily derailed his efforts but carter was able to begin excavations starting in december nineteen seventeen. The going was slow. Carter spent several frustrating years digging with few results by nineteen twenty two lord. Carven was frustrated and informed carter. He no longer wanted to fund the project. Carter begged him to reconsider and arvin agreed to fund the dig for one more season. Carter resumed his search on november. First nineteen twenty two three days later. A boy working. As the excavation water feature was idly digging in the sand with a stick when he struck a stone step he notified carter who subsequently found it was part of a larger flight of steps leading down to a seal door. The entrance had been hidden due to an accumulation of stone chips from other nearby tombs. With the location of tooting commons tomb destroyed by a political rival workers building the tomb of ramsey's the sixth around eleven fifty e c e had even constructed temporary shelters directly over where to in common was buried. It took a few weeks for carter to clear all the rubble blocking the stairway to the tomb but on november twenty six. Nineteen twenty two. His team had cleared enough to reveal the top of the doorway. What carter saw made his heart leap in his chest. The doorway was sealed with its original plaster stamped with the undisturbed seal of the royal necropolis. This made it highly unlikely. Grave robbers plunder the tomb meaning should still be filled with all the items to in common was buried with whatever lay inside was a veritable treasure trove. In addition to king tut's elaborate golden sarcophagus and the mummy that lay within it. Over five thousand items found within the tomb including beds thrones archery bows food wine sandals and even fresh linen underwear one of the most intriguing items found in the tomb. Gold handled iron dagger. Carter initially documented in nineteen twenty five on the surface. It wouldn't seem to be one of the more remarkable items carter discovered however certain aspects of it had researchers baffled during tooting commons rain. Ironwork was incredibly rare. Of course the pharaoh of egypt could have one in his possession. What made the dagger truly strange was that. The iron wasn't rusted at all in two thousand sixteen scientists from italy and egypt. Analyze the daggers chemical composition. And they found that it has an unusually high content of nickel and cobalt something characteristic of extra terrestrial iron that arrives on earth via meteorites. It turns out that the daggers composition matches that of a meteorite known as cargo which was found one hundred and fifty miles west of alexandria so far the only other ironwork artifacts from ancient egypt that have been analyzed are nine beads dating back to three thousand two hundred bc and there were also found have been beaten out of meteorite fragments based off of the two thousand years separating these objects from tooting commons dagger the researchers suggested that perhaps ancient egyptians placed great value on objects that fell from the sky and used meteorites to craft important ceremonial objects. This theory is supported by the fact that in the thirteenth century bc e right around the time when tutankhamun was power. A term that translates directly as iron of the sky came to be used to generally describe all types of iron. If true this would mean that egyptians were aware that rare metal objects could fall from the sky over two thousand years before western civilization made this connection. Although knowledge of how to smelt iron from the earth's crust wouldn't be discovered until around twelve hundred bc. We now know that ancient civilizations knew how to work with iron much earlier it's astounding to so much knowledge could be gleaned from one simple dagger without carter's efforts to find tooting commons tomb. It's something we might never have learned about human civilization researchers have also been able to learn a great deal about putin common himself by running tests on tissue samples taken from his mummy. Scientists found traces of malaria parasites and have speculated that he died from a combination of malaria and degenerative disease commonly found in children born of incest which was a common practice among ancient egyptian royalty. Further genetic tests on tooting commons. Mommy had confirmed that. He was the son of a mummy in nearby tomb. Who was thought to either be his father or half brother. Akhenaten sn caray who was cannot co ruler for a brief time and briefly served as sole pharaoh between akhenaten and tutankhamun the discovery of king. Tut's tomb reinvigorated. Archaeologists who have since made several new discoveries in places thought to be fully excavated take for example the tomb of queen nefer tedi believed to be tooting commons mother never. Td suddenly disappeared from the historical record during the twelfth year. Of her husband. Okinawans rain experts believe that she probably died around this time. But there's no record of her death or where she was buried nefer. Td gained global recognition in nineteen twelve when a portrait bust of her was discovered in an ancient artists workshop. The busts undeniable beauty created a mystique around never td and archaeologists became determined to find her tomb but like with cleopatra. Nobody knew where to look in the ensuing years. There've been a few false alarms. Some believe the mummy of a young woman initially discovered in eighteen. Ninety eight within the tomb of amenhotep the second could be never tedi but dna testing revealed that the woman in question was too young to be never tedi but scientists did make one startling discovery. The woman was tooting commons mother. Unfortunately we don't know her identity since she died before to common became pharaoh and she was never mentioned in any records. There was another brief glimmer of hope that never. Td's burial place was discovered in two thousand thirteen when radar imaging of tooting commons tomb revealed. What seemed to be a hidden chamber behind one of its walls. sadly further tests revealed. There wasn't anything there with advancing technology making it increasingly easier to scan for undiscovered ruins and tombs. It could just be a matter of time until never. Td's tomb is found in the mid nineteen ninety s an acropolis or city of the dead dating to the roman era was discovered in a heavily explored areas south of cairo. Well never t probably won't be found there. This macropoulos has yielded over one hundred mummies ranging from wealthy nobles buried in golden masks to more humble folk buried in terra cotta and plaster. There are still over. One hundred tombs left to excavate in this necropolis. And it's estimated. Archaeologists will find five thousand to ten thousand more mummies like with tuten common. These tombs have never been opened making researchers extremely hopeful that they'll be able to learn much more about burial practices during the period. The mummies date to around two thousand years ago. Similar knowledge could be gained from finding cleopatra's tomb. What could we learn from grave her. Perhaps there are preserved scrolls from the library of alexandria or maybe we could gain additional insight into cleopatra's greek and egyptian traditions. If cleopatra's mummy is found what might we learn from her body. If it's possible to figure out how to income and died. Maybe we could find out if cleopatra really died from an asp bite or if she died from something else such as murder at the hands of octavian. Although the location of cleopatra's tomb has been lost. These recent discoveries prove that you never know unless you look and that just because a site has been excavated. There are still things to be found. Although many archaeologists an expert egyptologists convinced. cleopatra's tomb could never be found. Not everyone was so pessimistic. It turns out that someone might have discovered where cleopatra was buried and it wasn't a famous archaeologist or someone who had dedicated their lives to studying in egypt. It was an unassuming lawyer from the dominican republic named kathleen martinez up. Next we'll follow martinez investigation. This episode is brought to you by michelob. Ultra organic seltzer crisp. cool with natural. Fruit flavors michelob. Ultra organic seltzer strives for realness. It's usda certified organic with no sugar. No carbs and only eighty calories so the only thing touching your taste. Buds is organic refreshing and delicious. Michelob ultra organic seltzer. As real as it tastes this episode is brought to you by three m three m has always been driven to improve lives with science and innovation. It's this forward thinking. Mindset that led three am to invent household items. 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The movement of excavating ancient egyptian tombs and searching for mummies over the course of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries has informed our modern world about the culture and history of the ancient world and yet cleopatra potentially the most famous figure in all of egyptian history remains undiscovered if kathleen martinez has her way. That won't be the case for long. Kathleen martinez has always been an intellectually curious person the daughter of fausto martinez a prominent attorney in the dominican republic martinez was allowed from a young age to sit in on her father. Sunday discussion groups during which the country's most prominent intellectuals would come together for cultural political and intellectual debates martinez would go on to graduate from law school at eighteen taking on and winning a controversial case involving a wealthy banker who is framed for a crime he didn't commit although she would build one of the most prestigious criminal defense firms in her country. Martinez still hungered for more intellectual stimulation. She first became interested in cleopatra in nineteen ninety at the age of twenty four when she read shakespeare's antony and cleopatra. This ancient egyptian queen intrigued kathleen. Martinez father dismissed cleopatra as little more than a seductive political schemer who barely deserved even the slightest mentioned in the annals of history martinez was taken aback by her father's opinion of cleopatra. As a lawyer himself she argued he should know better than to take the word of a play based on roman propaganda and distorting of cleopatra's character at face value after debating over the merits of cleopatra's current reputation martinez. His father admitted his opinion. Might not be fair following this exchange martinez resolved to learn everything. She could about cleopatra. In order to form a more unbiased opinion. She read as many ancient sources on cleopatra as she could find and was particularly interested in plutarch's writings on cleopatra and mark antony's romantic and political alliance using whatever spare time she had. When she wasn't running her legal practice martinez began to formulate a theory. About why nobody had ever been able to find cleopatra's tomb. Martinez felt historians had overlooked the significance of cleopatra's belief that she and mark antony where the living forms of the egyptian gods isis and cyrus respectively. And that the circumstances of their deaths mirrored those of the gods they styled themselves after she felt the story of cleopatra's suicide via asked by was especially significant having visited many jails in the dominican republic martinez grasped just how difficult it would have been for. Cleopatra's servants to smuggle poisonous snake- into the tomb where cleopatra had barricaded herself. It would have been much easier to smuggle in a small vial of poison taking the risk of smuggling snake meant to symbolism behind. Such a death was extremely important to cleopatra. In ancient egyptian religion there were three goddesses who took the form of a snake watchet the goddess of protection aminat got us of the elements and none it to protect yourself the first gods additionally cobras were used to protect pharaohs who are regarded as gods by dying from snake poison. Cleopatra was sending a message to her followers that she was dying as a goddess would with this connection to the gods martinez believed cleopatra and mark antony tomb would be found within a temple dedicated to both isis. And oh cyrus. Using the ancient writers straw bows descriptions of holy sites in egypt martinez mapped out twenty one locations that were associated with both isis and cyrus was determined to visit them one by one until she found the side where cleopatra and mark antony were buried. There was just one problem. Martinez didn't have the qualifications to lead a major archaeological excavation. She had a masters degree in archaeology which he had acquired as a way to stay intellectually active during a five year stint in madrid while her husband studied cardiology and she was temporarily unable to practice law but she had no practical experience and the competition to acquire a permit to excavate. An egypt was fierce. Nearly two thousand applications are submitted each year and only about one. Hundred and fifty are usually approved in order to secure permission to search for cleopatra's tomb. Martinez knew she needed enough proof to get an application approved. The first step was to narrow down. The potential sites yet identified and determine where cleopatra's tomb would be in order to visit the sights. She needed permission from zahi hawass. She emailed his office but received no reply after sending over one hundred inquiries via email phone and fax martinez resolved to go to egypt herself and find a way to meet hawass person. Her family didn't want martinez abandoning her law. Practice just to go on some wild goose chase but martinez was determined and she and a cousin booked a flight to cairo. Upon arriving in cairo martinez was immediately met with challenges. The immigration officer who examined her passport thought it was fake and she was taken to a room for questioning. She and her cousin were detained for hours eventually. An egyptian official told kathleen and her cousin to get in a van. That would take them to their hotel. Martinez was suspicious. The whole thing seemed unorthodox to her egypt's government had the reputation of being corrupt and with no dominican embassy in cairo. Martinez was worried. She was in over her head. She stalled and asked to go to the restroom. I she ducked into a travel agency within the airport and ask for a car driver and a guide who spoke spanish. She paid for everything on her credit card so her family could track her. If something went wrong martinez acknowledges she was probably overreacting to the situation and there was no reason to believe the van wouldn't have taken them straight to their hotel in the end. No charges were filed against her and she was allowed to enter the country illegally but the incident ended up being crucial in helping martinez. Secure meeting with zahi hawass as luck would have it. The guy she hired used to work for the supreme council of antiquities and new losses scheduling secretary when martinez entered hawalas office. He got right down to business. He asked her point blank. Who are you and what do you want. Martinez knew she'd probably be immediately kicked out if she told him. She was looking for cleopatra's tomb. So she only told hawass that. She hoped to explore ancient ruins. That were only open to archaeological research. Despite martinez lack of archaeological experience hawass surprisingly agreed and gave her permission to visit sites in alexandria giza and cairo. This meeting was the beginning of an unlikely partnership between martinez and hawass. After visiting the site she had listed martinez became convinced. Cleopatra's tomb was located at the temple of top of cyrus magnet while it was located within the limits of alexandria. Tackle cyrus magna was still remote enough that it wasn't under roman control when cleopatra and mark antony lost their war against octavian during cleopatra's time tapa siris magna was an important port town located between the mediterranean sea and lake mary otas and was famous for its vineyards. Strawberry wrote that. The town held a large public festival. Most likely in honor of oh cyrus after whom the temple complex was named the temple itself dated back to the reign of ptolemy the second who ruled from two eighty three two to forty six bc a few hundred years before cleopatra it was a significant holy site one of fourteen throughout egypt. Where a part of the god. Cyrus was believed to be buried in martinez mind. It was a strategically perfect place. Cleopatra and mark antony to be buried for their eternal life together several excavations have been carried out a of cyrus magna over the past one hundred years or so in one thousand nine hundred five renowned italian archaeologist evaristo brescia discovered the remains of a fourth century. Bc church built by coptic. Christians a term used for addiction christians in one thirty five british travel writer. Anthony day koson. Call tapa cyrus magna quote the finest ancient monument left to us. North of the pyramids and quote more excavations would be carried out at the site at two thousand four book by hungarian archaeologist. Joe so voros concluded that the temple at temple cyrus magna had gone through three different incarnations a ptolemaic sanctuary a roman fort and a coptic church. But could there be more to the site than met the eye. Once she decided on tapa cyrus magnet as the site she wanted to excavate martinez returned to the dominican republic to get the cloud. She needed to apply for an excavation permit. She got the backing of a university in santo. Domingo and the dominican minister of foreign affairs helped her sort out her passport issues by naming her as a cultural ambassador. Martinez returned to hawalas office about a year later in early. Two thousand five. She still held her cards close to her chest. She told hawass she wanted to photograph the ruins of the coptic church at tapa cyrus magna and he agreed. She returned a few weeks later and finally presented hawass with her theory. That cleopatra's to was somewhere within tapa cyrus magna hawass was unsure at first but martinez conviction. One him over. He gave her permission to present her case to the committee that granted excavation permits three weeks later martinez found out. Application had been approved but there was a catch. Instead of the usual year long permit she only had two months to find enough artifacts to prove her theory's validity martinez. Now face the daunting task of gathering a team and securing funding within the extremely short time window with little more than a hunch in hawaii support. She began her dig in october. Two thousand five early returns were not promising. They failed to uncover any artifacts of major significance not even assured of pottery. That could indicate that martinez was on the right track on the day before her permit expired. Martinez spread her team across the site in a last ditch effort to find anything of significance. As she walked around the perimeter martinez came across a small depression near the north door. Her team started to brush the area around the depression and discovered that the depression was actually an opening. They cleared more sand around the whole which turned out to be a deep shaft that descended sixteen feet into the ground. There were small holes on each side of the shaft which would have served as hand and footholds this detail confirmed dated to ancient times since ladders. Used to descend chaffetz. If this matter the shaft separated into two chambers to the north and sell the possibility that these chambers were nothing more than a cistern except for the fact that they were painted. There would be no reason to decorate a chamber used for water storage. Although this fine didn't conclusively linked teppo cyrus magnetically. Oh patra it was enough to convince. The ministry of antiquities that martinez had come across. Something of historical value. Her permit was extended and martinez could begin her search for cleopatra's tomb earnest up next. We'll discuss the current state of martinez search for cleopatra's tomb. 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You can earn up to seven hundred dollars in your first month as a token of appreciation for your time so please become a donor at bio life visit bio life plasma dot com to schedule an appointment now back to the story after a period of struggling to convince the egyptian government that her search for cleopatra's tomb was valid kathleen. Martinez was finally permitted to proper her theories with her permit secured for the full year. Martinez was free to continue her excavations in search of cleopatra's to she started working on an area that the hungarian team led by archaeologist iota. Orange had spent some time excavating. It was thought to be a temple of cyrus. But the hungarians hadn't found any artifacts that could give them any meaningful inside mere inches. From where the hungarians had stopped excavating martinez team discovered three small foundation. Deposits that linked the temple to the reign of ptolemy the fourth who is in power about one hundred fifty years. Before cleopatra these small fragile tablets made of clay and semiprecious stones like lapis lazuli turquoise and glass definitively linked tapa cyrus magna to cleopatra's family. This temple clearly head significance to the royal family. As the tablets text indicated that ptolemy the fourth laid them in the building's foundation. But was it important enough for cleopatra to be buried there martinez team moved. Its excavations to the north in search of more clues once again. They made another discovery that added more fuel to her theory. As they cleared the area they found the remains of a wall that turned out to be part of the previously undiscovered building by all indications. This small building was a temple of isis. These temples had a layout similar to the building. Martinez team had just unearthed. They were made up of three rooms with one. Serving as a holy sanctuary martinez theory postulated that cleopatra and mark antony would have been buried at a site with temples to both. oh cyrus and isis. So this was a major find. As the team continued to excavate the temple they hit a literal jackpot inside the sanctuary room. The team discovered close to two hundred coins. Bearing cleopatra's likeness these coins matched other coins dated to cleopatra's rain. Which shows that the temple was an active use while cleopatra was in power martinez believes. These coins were left in the temple as an offering to isis. Perhaps they were left as a tribute to cleopatra. After her death or by someone eager to gain the god's favor while she still lived. We'll probably never know who left them there. Or why but. The coins provided valuable information about cleopatra's rain that wasn't tainted by any historical bias or agenda. Likud's were made of bronze and would have been low value in their time. This details notable because most of cleopatra's ancestors only put their faces on more valuable silver. Coinage used by the rich by putting her face on more common currency cleopatra ensured that her subjects would see her face. This appeal to the common people shows. How observant cleopatra was as a leader as a monarch ruling during an extremely turbulent time. She knew she needed as many people on her side as possible. Recall last week. When we discussed how cleopatra was the only ptolemaic pharaoh who could speak egyptian and how she sent out a decree stating nobody would go hungry during a drought. She essentially used a form of brand management to cement her power. Some of the coins were roman currency called diario one side boasted her portrait and the other had mark. Antony's this detail is significant for multiple reasons. Having to portrait's on roman coinage was practically unheard of to have one of them be a foreign queen was an indicator of cleopatra's influence and power. Furthermore the curvature on the coins indicated that cleopatra's side was the moorhead side with mark antony relegated to tales this deliberate placement showcases cleopatra's power to potential allies in rome. It shows that she was more than mark antony's lover she was his partner and even more so she was the more powerful of the two just as she had given a roman trader a tax break as a way to build relationships. This to portrait coin shows cleopatra's ability to be a valuable ally finding the oh cyrus and isis temples along with the coins with cleopatra's face made martinez hopeful that she was on the right track to finding cleopatra's tomb. One day as she was poking around outside apple cyrus magnus walls martinez noticed an indentation similar to the one that led her to the shaft. With a painted chambers. The end then tation tend to be another shaft with this one. Descending eighty feet underground at the bottom martinez discovered to passageways that. Were deliberately blocked with rubble. Someone was trying to hide them. But why as the excavation progress down the tunnels martinez discovered more vertical shafts. That lead back to the surface. This fine puzzled martinez if these tunnels were kept secret why were there so many access points to them. One possibility is that the tunnel and entrances were part of an extensive water transportation system. But there's no evidence of plaster that would have kept the walls watertight or any sign of erosion making this an unlikely possibility as the team cleared the rubble blocking the tunnel. Martinez discovered that some of it was marble from the isis temple and pottery shards that could be used to date when the tunnels were blocked. Even more exciting. They found some human remains within the tunnel. And there's no way to know who the bones belonged to. Perhaps they were temple priests who sacrificed themselves to protect cleopatra's tomb. Or maybe they were simply the victims of an unfortunate accident. Could cleopatra's body be hidden somewhere. Within this vast network of tunnels as her team faded further martinez discovered dozens of artifacts from the ptolemaic dynasty including the bust of queen. That could be cleopatra self additionally she found a square shaped some can structure south of the cyrus temple that martinez believes held water for an important purification ritual. This is further evidence of tapas cyrus magna's importance as an active temple site. Her team soon found further evidence that the ptolemaic dynasty was deeply connected to tapa cyrus magna near the north entrance to the temple complex. They uncovered fourteen stone plants or statue bases. Although a gypsy in statuary tended to be fairly standardized. These plants are unique because each one is shaped differently at the base of one of the plants. martinez found a statue of pharaoh from the ptolemaic dynasty. There were fourteen. Pharaohs during this dynasty and martinez team found fourteen plants. Martinez believes this area could have marked grand entrance to the temple with statues of the fourteen ptolemaic pharaohs greeting visitors as they entered along with this evidence of the royal. Family's connection to the tapa. Cyrus magna martinez soon discovered bombshell evidence. That it was most likely incredibly important to cleopatra herself in the area immediately behind the plants martinez found a huge inscribed limestone tablet known as steel. Perhaps the most famous teela is the famous rosetta stone. The steelers martinez discovered predated the rosetta stone by two years and was also written in hieroglyphics and demotic the everyday egyptian language of the time it was a decree from king ptolemy the fifth stating the tapa cyrus magna was dedicated to the worship of is in addition to the temple being specifically designated to worshiping isis. The greater temple complex and its surrounding lands were also consecrated to her as the self proclaimed earthly embodiment of isis tapa. Cyrus magna would have been of extreme importance to cleopatra. But was it important enough for her to be buried there. Martinez still needed evidence. The tap osama's magna could have served as a burial ground to that end. She extended her search. Just outside the temple. Complex walls near the ruins of a copy of alexandria's famous pharos lighthouse. She noticed a naturally sunken areas in the ground and began digging the dig quickly uncovered a set of stone steps that descended deep underground. All the way to the bedrock within the rock martinez found a set of carb. Chambers that could only have been ritual burial sites more excavations led to amaze of catacombs containing human remains including skeletons and mummies to date. Martinez has discovered over eight hundred individual bodies covering hundreds of square yards. It's likely these catacombs were an acropolis. This necropolis could be the ptolemaic equivalent to the famous valley of the kings which served as a burial site for pharaohs and powerful nobles from sixteen hundred bc to eleven hundred bc martinez. His team has concluded that both commoners and members of the nobility were buried in the tampa cyrus magnin acropolis. Some of the mummies skulls are encrusted in gold. But this detail signifies more than the mummies wealthy status during the ptolemaic and early roman periods knowledge of the intricate embalming process used in previous dynasties was largely lost probably due to the emergence of greek customs after alexander. The great's conquest of egypt in order to make up for their lesser skill priests would overcompensate with additional decoration. Experts have concluded that many of the mommy's martinez has discovered date directly to cleopatra's time being buried near a holy sites. Such as this would've provided a person with a significant in the afterlife. It wasn't uncommon for people to be buried near their rulers tomb. Did cleopatra's subjects desire to be buried at tapa cyrus magna in order to be closer to their queen in the afterlife. There is historical precedent for egyptian royalty. Being buried underneath temple sites in twenty fourteen archaeologists discovered a shaft tomb on the ramesseum temple five hundred and forty miles south of alexandria originally built by ramsey's the second in twelve seventy five bc. The ramesseum temple was actively used for hundreds of years. The tomb contained the body of a princess named carl mama who is also an extremely high ranking priestess. While she wasn't a queen she was royalty unfortunately the burial traditions of ptolemaic rulers are unknown. But there's new reason to think. Cleopatra couldn't have been buried in the same manner as princess coma. Martinez has also found shafts within the temple. Complex itself that lead to tombs. One of the mummies is an unidentified pregnant woman. She was too young to be cleopatra herself. But it's a promising sign. People were buried within the temple itself. In the northwest corner of the complex martinez discovered another set of stairs leading down to a wide enclosure nearly thirty feet by thirty feet. It seems to be a large cut tomb similar to those found in the valley of the kings. This large room has an additional shaft descending an additional one hundred feet and it contains bodies about a quarter of the way down the shaft martinez found two bodies. They're not cleopatra and mark antony it's possible that the bodies of men tasked with sacrificing themselves to seal the tomb. The shafts size and depth indicates it most likely leads to multiple tombs and burial chambers before proceeding any further martinez decided to employ the latest ground. Penetrating radar techniques to see if the shaft does lead to any hidden chambers. The initial results were promising revealing. Cavities large enough to serve as the resting place for royalty. It seemed kathleen. Martinez could be on the verge of discovering cleopatra's loss tomb. But before she could find out she had to wait. The excavation season was nearly at an end and martinez didn't have enough time to properly excavate these chambers. If this were cleopatra's final resting place. It would be the most significant discovery for egyptology since howard carter discovered king tutankhamun tomb in one thousand. Nine hundred twenty two there are many parallels between martinez carter's projects that could offer a tantalizing glimpse of what martinez might find if the theory proves to be right. Unfortunately at the time of this podcast kathleen martinez project hasn't yet been able to explore these chambers. The search for cleopatra's tomb that began in two thousand five still continues but both martinez and zahi hawass are confident. They'll find cleopatra and mark antony tapa siris magna one of the artifacts martinez has found is the remnants of a funerary mask that bears distinct cleft a feature mark. Antony is famous for having of course this could be just a coincidence and many experts believe it is one. Critique of tina's project is that there are plenty of sites throughout egypt. Where archaeologists have found artifacts associated with cleopatra. Additionally even though magnet is outside of alexandria proper. It would have been extremely difficult to keep this burial sites secret from octavian but martinez has a theory. And it's only a hunch that after the mummification process was complete and cleopatra was buried in a place of octavian choosing the priests at tapestries. Magna took it upon themselves to move cleopatra and mark antony bodies to their temple while this is only speculation. It's easy to see why martinez thinks this is a possible scenario from what we've learned about cleopatra. She worked extremely hard to earn the love of her people. It's not absurd to imagine some of her. Most loyal subjects might want her to be buried in a place. That would give her the best afterlife possible. If martinez has found cleopatra's tomb. Maybe the room itself could shed light on. The circumstances of her death was her body moved there as martinez believes or did cleopatra plan on being buried there all along did octavian approved for her to be entombed at apple cyrus magna or was her body secretly transported there. What do you think molly is. Kathleen martinez right. Bushy find cleopatra's tomb at tapa cyrus magna or is this just another false lead. I'll admit i'm a bit skeptical. This isn't a take away from the incredible discoveries. Martinez made tapestries magna her intuition insightful. Research have helped shed a tremendous amount of light on the ptolemaic dynasty. But is it where cleopatra and mark antony are buried. i'm not so sure it certainly is a long shot as some of our tina's skeptics pointed out. It's extremely rare for an archaeologist to declare. They're going to find something and actually be right. But howard carter. Did it with to comment. Martinez has shown remarkable insight so far. These latest chambers might not contain cleopatra and mark antony mummies but i have hoped that there somewhere within tapa cyrus magnet. There's always the possibility that they were buried there. But their bodies having survived or that the tuma secretly looted at some point or that. We may never find cleopatra's to as it's been lost somewhere underneath the bay of alexandria knock on wood. That neither of these are the case indeed. But whatever the case may be it's clear that kathleen martinez relentless will and determination to succeed is shown us just. How much is left to uncover of egyptian history and human civilization at large. How much is hidden beneath the ground. Or which ruins believed to be fully excavated might yet contain untold knowledge as archaeologists such as kathleen. Martinez have shown us. You never now on till you look. Thanks for listening. To another episode of unexplained mysteries. We hope you enjoyed our investigation into cleopatra's lost tomb. If you're looking for more unexplained mysteries you can find us as well as all of our casts other podcasts on apple podcasts spotify stitcher google play cast box tune in or your favorite podcast directory. You can also find us on facebook and instagram as at podcast and twitter at parkas network many listeners. Ask how to help the show if you enjoy the show. The best way to do that is to leave a five star review. Cnx thursday and remember never take we no for an answer. Unexplained mysteries was created by max. Cutler is a production of cutler media. And as part of the podcast network it is produced by max. And ron cutler sound design by dick schroeder with production assistance by ron shapiro and paul moller additional production assistance by maggie admire and carly madden unexplained. Mysteries is written by alex. Benetton and stars molly brandenburg and richard rosner.
431. To the Rescue! a calming meditation and story
"Hello our way Islanders Thursday. We're ready to be calm on our way Island. Let's see if you have everything you want for our story today. Are the lights in your room dim or off? Do you have your favorite listening buddy or blanket? Before we begin our story. Let's relax by taking three deep dragon breath. Breathe in through your nose filling up your belly and then out through your mouth pretending you are breathing fire. Ready deep breath in and out. Feel your legs back and belly soften again deep breath in and out. Now as your chest arms and shoulders relaxed picture of a baby elephant hugged tight by its mother's a tree trunk. You feel connected and loved just like the baby elephant. Last one fill up your belly deep breath in and out. Close your eyes as your head face and neck soften completely relaxed in a loving energy surrounds you and you are cherished. Enjoy the feeling of relaxation and hold your hands out as if you are holding a beach ball. You are holding a ball of loving energy. Feel the warmth in your hands and slowly move your hands apart. Then towards each other. Now apart again. Then towards each other. Now bring the ball of energy up to your heart and allow the energy to melt into your body. Your heart is happy and more as you rest your hands on your chest. Take a deep breath in breath in and out. Enjoying the feeling of energy as it warms your body. The energy flows up to your forehead. And divides to rest on both sides of your head. Feel it flow behind your ears. Then down the sides of your neck. softening your shoulders with warmth now the energy streams meet in your chest warming your heart. Feel the warmth and take another deep dragon breath in and out. As you enjoy the feeling of energy in your heart. Once more loving energy flows up to your forehead and divides. Rolling to either side of your head. It flows behind your ears then down the sides of your neck home softening your shoulders. The energy streams joined together in your chest warming your heart. Enjoy that gently flowing energy and let's take another deep dragon breath in and out off imagine the energy stream dividing a game at this time flowing up and out to your shoulders. Feel its warmth and take a deep dragon breath in and out. As you enjoy the feeling of energy flowing across your shoulders. real relaxing them Give yourself a big tight hug. Relax and let your hands slide lightly down your arms. Bringing energy through your arms and out your fingertips. Enjoy that gently flowing stream of energy and take another deep dragon breath. Fill up your chest and belly. in and out Feel warm loving energy fill your heart and then overflow. One More Time Imagine the energy stream dividing and then flowing up and out to your shoulders. Feel the warmth and take a deep dragon breath in and out. As you enjoy the feeling of energy roll across your shoulders relaxing them. With your heads holding onto your shoulders, give yourself a big tight hug relax. And let your hands lightly slide down your arms drawing the energy through your arms and out your fingertips. Continue to feel the warmth of the energy stream and let's take 3 more deep Dragon breaths. Remember to breathe in through your nose filling up your belly and then out pretending you are breathing fire deep breath in and out. Feel your legs back and belly soften again deep breath in and off. Now as your chest arms and shoulders relaxed. Picture of baby elephant hugged tight by its mother's trunk. You feel connected and loved just like the baby elephant. Last one fill up your belly deep breath in and out. Keep your eyes closed as your head face and neck soften dead completely relaxed. Loving energy surrounds you and you are cherished. Great job everyone. I hope you are tucked in nice and cozy. Okay, I think we're ready to begin our story. Yeah, let's be calm an hour away Island. Our story today is to the rescue Eddie and his little brother Kang. Please were playing outside. It was a lovely Autumn afternoon. The cool crisp Breeze swept over the tree branches slowly but surely pushing any remaining leaves off the branches and onto the ground, but the sun was bright and kept the children from feeling too cold. And he and Louise were pretending they were on an old fashioned sailing ship. Eddie pretended to be the captain and Louise one of the sailors. Louise had climbed one of the trees in the yard and was sitting on one of the branches pretending to adjust the sales. Sailor shouted Eddie tie up the mizzenmast. There's a storm approaching. I I captain shouted Louise trying to make his voice loud and deep which was a little hard since he was only six. But then he said in his normal voice. Eddie what's amazing Mast? Oh, well, you know sailing ships have tall masts with sales. The mizzenmast is the mast at the back of the ship replied Eddie. Oh, okay said Louis life. I mean, I I captain he said using his sailor voice again. Tying up the mizzenmast now, sir. Thank you. Sailor said Eddie work fast the waves are getting bigger. Eddie put his hands together to make a circle in front of his face pretending he was looking through a spyglass. He turned this way and that looking up and down the neighborhood. Suddenly he spotted something. Mrs. Martinez, their elderly neighbor had opened her garage door and was struggling to put something in the large trash container in her garage. Hi. Mrs. Martinez Eddie shouted in his normal voice waving to her. Eddie and Louise liked mrs. Martinez, Eddie and Louise his mom said that mrs. Martinez had a lot of pain in her back and legs off but mrs. Martinez was always smiling and friendly anyway. Sometimes when she cooked tamales, but other delicious food, she would come over to their house and give some of it to Eddie and Louise his family. Hi. Mrs. Martinez. Eddie shouted a second time because mrs. Martinez had not answered him. She didn't seem to hear him and she seemed to be really struggling with the trash. So Eddie said in his captain voice to Louise sailor ship in distress ship in distress off the starboard side. We need to make a rescue mission at the Good Ship Martinez s o s. Huh said Lewis in his normal voice. Louie's I think mrs. Martinez need some help said Eddie in his normal voice. Oh said Luis. Okay, Well, let's go help her. ship in distress s o s Louise slid out of the tree and the two boys walked over toward mrs. Martinez a garage was set at the back of a long driveway. So I took them a minute to get there. When they finally reached her she was still struggling to lift a big bag of trash into the trash can. Hi. Mrs. Martinez. The two boys said. Mrs. Martinez turned and said, oh hello Eddie. Hello Louise. How are you? What are you doing here? Eddie replied back. We're fine. But how are you? Are you having trouble with the trash? Are you in distress F Louise? Can we help you? Oh, you are such nice boys. Mrs. Martinez said I'm really having trouble with my back today. And this bag is heavy. I just can't lift it into the trashcan. I don't know if you can help though. Yes, we can set the lease. I'm not tall but we can do it together. This is Martinez laughed and said thank you Luis. That's true, but we can always do more together than we can alone. Let's try so the three of them lifted the heavy bag together and raised it up to the edge of the trashcan Eddie, even though he was only ten years old was the tallest. So he made the final push over the edge of the canyon and the bag sunk inside the cabin. They're said mrs. Martinez. Thank you so much, but you boys should go back to playing I can take this to the street myself off Ono said Eddie, please let us do that. This is Martinez. Your driveway is really long and you're back hurts today Louis and I will take the trash can to the street. My goodness said mrs. Martinez you two really are kind. I would appreciate that very much. I really do have a lot of painting. Thank you. Of course. Mrs. Martinez said the boys together. Sailor shouted at each Louise. Let's take this Lifeboat to the island. I I captain shouted Louise. The two boys drag the trash can down the driveway to the street so that it would be ready for the garbage truck to empty it tomorrow morning. Then they walk back to mrs. Martinez, Georgia was waiting for them in the garage. She invited them into her house so they could wash their hands after working with the garbage. Thank you so much you too. She said after they washed their hands you are such kind young men. Wow, you were a ship in distress said Louise so we had to help you. It's the law of the sea. Mrs. Martinez laughed well in that case, I think you Sailors need some rations. Here's a cookie for each of you. Thank you again. Wow. Thank you. Mrs. Martinez. The boys said together taking the cookies. After that, the boys went back to their yard and continued playing for a while longer until it started getting dark. That Night Eddie sunk into his cozy bed. Pulling the covers up around the ears. He thought about the imaginative fun. He had with his brother Louis today. And he thought about how nice mrs. Martinez was. And how delicious her cookie had been oh and sunk. Even deeper into his bed. He felt thankful that his family had. But I'm nice neighbor as mrs. Martinez. I felt thankful that he and his brother. Had taken the opportunity. to help our today Most of all he felt thankful. To have such a wonderful brother as Louise. Oh by such a great playmate Until was always ready to help other people. Eddie took a deep dragon breath in and out. He smiled and took another deep dragon breath in and out off. Eddie's eyes closed and he took one more long deep dragon breath and out. And Eddie fell asleep. dreaming of rolling ocean waves and tall ceiling maths and the next adventure for him and the weights Thank you for joining us to be calm an hour away Island. See you next time.
Libertarian Presidential Candidate Daniel Behrman
"Hey Ramsey Martinez. Experienced listeners wanna share your opinions give feedback or even tell me what you're thinking some voice message voice messages on anger them are an easy way for you. To send me an audio clip that might end up in a future episode of the show there, the latest feature from anchor the platform us to make this podcast. Here's some things I'd love to hear from you. Maybe some questions you have for me. What you think of this episode how much you love me, how much you hate me, do your best impression of me even well being able to see all your messages. And I might add them to future episode because with anchor it's that easy. So come on. You can send me a voice message right now from wherever you're listening. Just tap the linked to my show notes. I can't wait to hear from you. Welcome to tonight's episode of the room. So Martinez experienced before we get started a wanna go ahead and give a shot this episode's sponsors. 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I mean things were you know. They, they were there real hot and steamy. And we're going through that honeymoon phase that some point you got sick of me, and I got sick, if you and we all have to grow up, and then we're like, daddy, I can go and be an actor at Hollywood and the one of us had to go get a real job. And now now here we are having excellent conversations. We'll never get the chance. And tonight's going to definitely be one of them. I know what you're thinking. Remm so on Twitter. You said you in politics were getting into force. And you hope that she never called back. Well, just like a crazy ex girlfriend who's crazy in the head awesome. In the bed. You got to come back to every once in a while you gotta be good at something. Everyone's got that one thing that they hate to love and love to hate. And when it comes to libertarian politics, it's kind of like that, it's that you just got scratch some people call it in the faction you should probably get treated. I call it life and tonight is no exception, by the way, some of you, I will just us now before we get going. So if you were asking recently went wins the book coming out that is book. Number two, it's how succeed in politics and other forms of devil worship. I'm moving the day. It's available back. It will be available March twenty twenty so you're welcome there. It is. We'll start getting more interviews out there. I'm going to go ahead and put out chapter one with the next. Couple of weeks. Hopefully once the edits comeback. And here's the thing folks when you send a manuscript offer editing. It's a baby. So by the time I see my my draft back Lordy, beginning its master's degree, hopefully, Ardy hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, but just like every boomer out there guy get this millennia go make me some money, somehow. So go ahead and check out our w Martinez dot com slash book. You'll go ahead and get a copy of stay away from the libertarians, which is still out and still alive and kickin. And you can go ahead and see all the updates were doing for, has seed in politics and other forms of devil worship. So tonight we have another candidate running for the libertarian nomination his name is Daniel, Burman ak-, a Daniel taxation is theft, Berman and. I'm looking at photo of him right now. He's wearing a he's wearing a hat that's taxation as theft. Oh, dear God. Everyone has a gimmick. But this is this is coming from someone that people thought my actual name was room so Republic for several years, like I was some type of white rapper. So, you know, maybe I should give a little bit of credit and. Yeah, that's about it. We'll, we'll go ahead and have an interesting conversation from here. Daniel, thank you so much. Join the show tonight. It's great to have you on yet. Thanks for having me on. So it says here on your Facebook page, you're, you're married, right? Yeah. Okay. So when does the divorce coming because usually when you wake up one day and say, Honey, I'm running for presents a libertarian conversations? Get kinda strange around the house. How'd you how'd you break? It's you're well, you know. She's always known. I've been kind of into some crazy stuff I can call the libertarians crazy stuff, right? So, you know it's, it's normal going on here. Not just another to her. I think it's just it's a phase he'll get over it. So she's, she's putting up with it. So this is your mid life crisis in her eyes. Leak lesser productive things you could do you could have gotten much younger mistress much more expensive car. It can start a sport that you would have been injured. And after you spend hundreds of dollars getting into it, you know running for president. I mean I mean there are worse things. Yeah. Absolutely. So, well, here's an interesting spin on that, too. So I'm very very much opposed to doing anything with the government's permission. So we actually have we have a non-governmental marriage. So I'm not even sure if like is divorce a possible thing or would it just be like what would you call it? I need to think about this. There's like a game of thrones marriage where if you get divorced, you have to just walk out, so. Wow. That's that's hard core. I know how crazy this was gonna get but you didn't even go to them for marriage permission slip. So I gotta give qudos for that. Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. And we think of that as just like a normal thing like oh, yeah, you, you follow the program that they give you graduate high school, you go to college get married. Get a job. And also the crap and follow all the steps and every single one, you have to get, you know, some certificate from the government and marriage is one of them. But if you think back to like it's really only pretty. I mean, anyone who's alive today has had marriage certificates in their lifetime. But when those were first created it was really kind of a racist program to allow interracial marriages and stuff like that before, then it was really just the church is, like, okay, you guys are married. That's it no government. You know, it's so funny you bring that up because years ago, and now now I feel like I'm about to see my extension crisis coming on as I turned twenty five this year years ago when like the show was in its infancy. I had Lucy Brenton on. She was running for Senate. In indiana. And she also had the same thing going on her and her husband didn't wanna get a marriage permission slip from the state of Indiana. So they just got married in their church, whenever they need to show that they were married, all they had to do is show that certificate saying that they were married by ordains priest. And it's like you know, that's, that's one of those things I always thought was bit of a no-brainer issue like I'm, I'm a member of the United Methodist Church. So, you know, some people think that we're like super liberal by think we're more conservative than others. And when it came to the Q issue, I was always, like, you know, why can't we just get the government out of marriage highly because, you know, we start having, you know government permission slips for baptism because I mean it could just keep going and going and going, and it's already ridiculous as is. But why not just take them out of the whole thing, because, you know, honestly, like I'm, I'm pretty anti marriage in the sense that I don't think the government should be involved at all. So you know to do. Five women you on Mary, a dollar something like, man, you do. But like status, the fuck away when it comes to this, right? Yes. That's absolutely right. It's like you know every time and there's always a good excuse for it. You know, never let a never let a good tragedy go to waste somebody. You know, somebody came up with like, oh, we don't want to be with each other anymore. We want to get a divorce, and then they would fight over. Okay. But that's my house or that, you know, then they would start fighting over property. And so these are the reasons that government came along and said, okay, we will regulate marriage. And when there's a separation these will be all the rules that govern who gets the property. And of course, everybody was like, well we're not happy with that. And then they started getting prenups. But it's, it's yeah, it's governments government solution to everything is like, okay. Well, let's, let's just kind of prefabricate everything in stuff, everyone into cookie cutter. You don't like it too bad. Absolutely. I'm glad that we went on this tangent firm it because I want a little bit more about you, folks. Full full disclosure. We have not spoken. So this man might be the anti Christ or Charles Manson, so far, you know, I'm kind of digging, his whole thing, but Dan can kinda tell me how long have you been a libertarian. What's, what kind of prompt is you to say, hey, I'm gonna run for president. You know what, what's your whole thing man because I'll know if your parents, you know, legally named taxation as theft or if that's like, you know, your phase of going through the, the popstar firm, formerly known as prince right thing, what's going on a little out, you. Yes. So as far as my middle name, I'm actually, you know, it's the same thing as a marriage. I don't ask government for permission. I haven't asked the court. But it's as far as, as far as legal rules are concerned, you're actually legally allowed to, like, that's a recent thing to like you didn't have to use to go and ask the government for permission to change your name, you would just start using a new name. I am you know, Robin of Loxley. That's, like any look at how names used to be it's like it would be a family name, call it family name, when you travel around the world, instead of here, they say, last name, this is all just this big system that set up to track us. But anyway. So without going too far into that tangent. Oh so you can call me beta from now on. I'm stealing. Fatal somewhere tina's. I can't I kinda like it. Continue as long as you're publicly known as that. I mean you might not be able to get it on your driver's license or your passport or anything. But that is your name, you are legally allowed to represent yourself in contracts and everything else as that as whatever name you proclaim to be. Absolutely. And for the record, this is why I always said that prince was one of the most libertarian Popstars ever because he made himself into a symbol. That's not just an Eminem. Leear folks. That was the thing. That's history. Go Google that shit. I digress. Please continue. So, so, yes. So you know, I kind of grew up in, in common California. I was very kind of left leaning, just because, you know, I was my mom was kind of always working with charities, and, and donating to less fortunate and everything else. And so I was kind of like that, like, yeah. We should be helping out in solving the world's problems. I remember asking my mom once with the government has so much money. Why don't they just print it in give it to everybody in solve the? And of course, that's before I understood inflation and all this other stuff. So, you know, you make mistakes, you grow, you learn, then I moved to Texas, and I became a Texan I now identifies Texan and I kind of. Yeah, I kind of Ron Paul kind of convinced me to be more Republican. And you know, kind of going through this whole process. You know, once I really got into politics, I voted for Obama the first time which I'm ashamed to say, you know, I realize, okay, the people running the democrat party and the people in the Republican party. They're both a bunch of lying buffoons. They have no idea. They have no idea what they're doing. They're stealing from us and doing whatever they whatever they're lying to us. Have they can't get votes? So they can steal our money in spend it on whatever mansions, they wanna build. So I got set up with that. And then I found the libertarian party, so you asked in and made the presumption of how or when did I become a libertarian? I actually don't identify as a libertarian oddly enough. Or breaking news. Motherfuckers? Here's the thing. If you ask anybody, by the way, you can go to the only real libertarian dot com because there is only one real libertarian, holy shit shits you own that. No. It's a oh, it's Clayton hunt. He's out of Texas. He's out of Houston, but his, his whole thing is like I bought a lot of website, domains just to sit on them. I'm really shocked. I did not buy that one at some point, but please, continue its yet that is you've heard of the world's shortest political quiz that one's actually only one questions to go. Check that out. But you know, it's, it's there's this thing within the libertarian party. Oh, that's not really libertarian. You're not a real everyone's fighting over what a libertarian is in realistically, I mean you look at the state parties and the national party, they've all got a different platform. I mean, they're very similar in many ways, but they're all different. They all disagree on things. And I don't know a single libertarian who can go into any convention and say, I agree one hundred percent with the platform. There's nothing I would add nothing remove so that makes a lot of sense. One thing I'd do clarifies that, you know, and I bring this up in my book, quite a bit like in the first book folks, which you can go on Amazon Barnes and noble online today, stay away from libertarians catching. You have to understand, like, when it comes to libertarianism, a lot of people treat it, as you know, a pseudo secular religion by, you know, when, when we compare worldviews it's always going to be fractured. That's why anything created by man is imperfect. Conservatives progressivism communism, especially libertarianism doesn't. You know it's not. It's still fallible when it comes to that type of stuff and, you know, like, for example, one thing, I bring up in the book is the whole immigration issue. Like, I'm not like you know, you have like the Hans Hermann Hoppe close borders, folks, and you have the open borders, libertarians. You've got the ones that say it's the state's only job that you say the state has no function, therefore, the border should be open. I'm kinda like in the middle. I'm just kind of like you know, we have countries we have nation states. They've always been there. And this is what happens when you have open borders, but as wall, so happens. We have closed borders. Does it make opinion more or less libertarian? It's really complicated. Because unlike your religion, which has absolute dichotomies and principles and everything else, libertarianism doesn't really subtle on that leaves things half empty or half full, so speak. It says you should not impede, the free movement of individuals who are self autonomous, but the same time you should respect the property rights of other people, and then that leads to a whole other thing can the government. Owned property or should you farmer near Zona put up your own Trump wall? I mean things like this get complicated. That's why you know, years ago, I kind of stopped fighting the whole who's more libertarian than now pissing contest because ultimately, I think everyone's kind of shitty. So it just makes things easier to come to that point. Yeah. Absolutely. And, you know, it's, you know, like you said, there's there's, there's the abortion. There's the death penalty. Holy shit. I got in trouble just because I wanted to bring up the discussion of all these all these all these. Anarchists are out there self-proclaimed anarchists who want absolutely zero government. And there was this, there was this guy who who announced himself as a pedophile. And everybody was, I guess he announced that he actually did something with C running for congress. I don't think it was that guy. I think it was just another guy who was just posting that guy was literally in my district, he was on the battles. Yeah. Talk about something close to home. My right yet. No, this guy. He actually did something that was, like they called the cops on the cops showed up took the daughter away, in all this other crazy stuff. And I propose the question of, you know, it was the way that I phrased it that got me into trouble. But, you know, okay, we have anarchists here who are supporting the police coming in to take this personal way in prosecute them. And at the same time, these people are saying, we should have absolutely no government. And you know what? Why are they using government solve the problem instead of saying, you know, kind of the approach let me, let me resolve my problems without using government. Yeah. Why not just go hang the pedophile yourself? Exactly. And they point out they point valid reasons like we'll know if you do that, then, the police are gonna come after you in all these other valid valid reasons why that's not a great way to handle things. But it's just really awesome awesome to see that, like, you know, even within the libertarian circles, you have all these people who are who are self proclaimed purists of one form or another Minnaar kiss anarchists. And at the same time, like, you know, we're we're supposed to be very logically consistent and at the end of the day, people are, you know, on, if you pick the right subject, people's emotions will come out and say, well, I'm anti police, but I hope the police show up this guy. House and shoot him or I'm I'm anti death-penalty, but I hope this guy hangs. So you, it's like every gang bangers fuck the police. So they get shot. I remember what podcasting was like years ago. It was difficult. There were hoops. She had to jump through learn how to edit you had to take time to figure out how to get on different platforms. It was difficult. But then years later as I was rebranding my show. I went ahead and found out about anchor anchor is the easiest way. 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It's okay to, you know, say that you, you support one thing, but you support another like we're very contradicting people, and the way you really comes down to, and this is why think ultimately whoever's, the L P nominee is really going to have a lot of shit to deal with. I feel bad like if you get it like, man, I'm going to be praying for you, because I would not want that in a million years. But today I was actually I was getting ready for this interview I was just doing a little bit of research on the whole field of LP nominees, for example, like I had Kim rough on a while ago and twenty seven was the year I basically went to war, Arvin Vohra got almost half a million people to sign the petition to basically force, the L P national committee to condemn him on stamp on stand United dot org. And here's the thing like what's the difference between ideologies of, let's say, you know, I know about your. Petr. So just bear with me for a moment. What's the difference in ideology when you compare Kim rough to Arvin for? There's not much gray area there. There's not much gray area between me and them when it comes to the issues, the problem is how how, how are we going to discuss this non libertarians, you have someone who is very polite and very much enjoyed our time, speaking together with Kim rough. But then you have someone like Arvin Vohra who called people, pedophile and serial killers, he called for a school board shooting. He said that cop should be slaughtered in the streets. He said that, if you pay taxes, your essentially condoning, the violence of million condoning violence against millions of people, but, you know, here's my thing, it's like, let's, let's be rational functioning adults here. I wanted off Arvin Vohra paid his income taxes this year. Because if you go by his argument, if you paid your income taxes, your slave, and you're supporting the war state, and the police state and all this other. Their stuff. Anyway. Like, yeah. I want to know if he paid his income taxes, because if he paid his income taxes, that means he's basically going up against everything he said, he did not support, but he did not pay income taxes. That's got a lot of problems of the FCC, if he becomes the nominee, then that becomes a giant liability on the entire party. So things like that we have to be like, rational people about. Yep. -solutely. There's a lot of what you were talking about a minute ago was, I think the messaging which is what I've really focused a lot on. And actually while a lot of the candidates are kind of. You know, their messaging to libertarians right now within the party. I'm actually spending a lot of my time reaching outside of that. I'm actually I'm actually taking this message to Democrats and Republicans because the reality is, if we sit in our echo chamber, all day we're not really helping anybody, you know, the chances of a libertarian win are very small to begin with. But if we only focus on winning libertarian votes than like, that's, that's nothing. That's that is what it is. But, but the reality is like be are a lot of our, you know, we, we call them debates. We've been having these debates on the on the we are libertarian podcast and most of us pretty much agree on just about everything. So it's not really debate, it's like more like a, you know, a friendly gathering of people who just sitting around and saying, how much the government sucks. It's kind of like this America, it's like which one of you looks best to the swimsuit at this parade. Right. But, you know, when I take when I take to the streets, and I kind of go to the Democrats on the Republicans, like I like I understand, like, if you just go up to him and say, hey, we want less government. Their first question is okay. But what about my health care? What about my sick grandma? What about what about the immigrants stealing my jobs? All these all these things that, you know, most of them is just propaganda that's been stuck in their head, but those are the issues, they're concerned about. And when you come at them with less government, the first thing they say is, but I have objections and really like there's, there's a way that you can approach these people and say, well, look, I understand what. Concerns are, let's talk about some realistic solutions to that. And how less government would actually get you more of what you want. And then they start to, to, to see that in understand it and think about it a little bit more. So we're actually like spreading this message and getting people to see that and changing changing the way people see the function and role of government, which is, I think the most important part of this whole thing. Absolutely. Because there's been this struggle for years as to whether or not the libertarian party is a vehicle for political progress, or if it's for educational purposes, and you have people very much on both sides of it. My thing is always been. Why not both right? If you win at one, you're to win at the other vice versa. Like what do you have to lose nothing changes? William is we'll make things a little bit better in the process, speaking of which with the time that we have left, I just want cover some of the issues that we're seeing in the news right now, which I have also divorced, myself from, but because of you, I had so the going watch MSNBC and FOX today. It's okay. I'm not I'm on harms, only my soul hurts right now. But. Let me see how phrase this as, as the potential, president of the United States, when is it acceptable star bombing Iran? So this is anything when it comes to foreign policy is really diff- difficult to answer. And I wanna say this farm, Iran or not. No absolutely not. Because here's the thing like we're always being told and like whenever it's on the news, we're always being told, you know, hey there's a threat, there's a threat. There's a threat and, and then we end up going to warn invading another country, they lied to us about Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan everything else, like they lied to get us into so many wars. And they, you know, the people on CNN and Fox News. They're not in the Middle East for the most part. Sometimes they'll send out like you know, somebody to go get some footage or fake some footage. But for the most part, all they're doing is the reading press releases which comes from the White House. The CIA is gathering all this intelligence, which they have. And then they say okay we have all this. We want to do something. Maybe we want to assault a country so that we can steal their natural resources or convince their dictators do something that's gonna profit for us. How do we do that? Well, it's convince people that we should be going to war to them to, to war with them, and maybe that'll put some pressure on. Them to cave in and agreed to whatever we want, and this is what they do. So if you look at the news, how do we know how much of this is actually true? Like, are we being lied to about weapons of mass destruction again? Like even if they showed us a picture of like some guide landing in Iran walking out of the airport, and we see the whole, there's a whole like, you know, fifty our reality show about his whole journey to get their head, you know, that whole thing is in stage when it's coming from the government that has a history of lying to us. So what I think is really important for any candidate who's not in this inner circle, you know, Hillary Clinton probably knows what's going on. 'cause she's kind of already in there, and she's not the president, but for for any other presidential candidate who doesn't know this information, who's not privy to, like, you know what the CIA knows what, what the White House knows. And also, they really cannot make an informed decision on what to do. Absolutely. And I mean, you know, my Halliburton stock is going to go through the roof if we invade Iran at the end of day, you know, as we've seen so often, I feel like this is the one issue that people are finally getting wise about, but each dome whether or not you're Republican, or democrat, you figure out that the more you learn about the more that your own seem is responsible right? And I mean President Trump, I saw this clip today, some a little bit late. And folks, like, when I put up this episode will be a few hours after Dan, and I go ahead and, you know, discuss all this, but like it's so funny that he can discuss the threats against the United States by Iran and just fi potential armed conflicts, but at the same time say that the military industrial complex, which he called out by name, you know, always wants more. It's, it's like we, we've become such a schizophrenic country. But I think we've always kind of been this way, whether we like to admit it or not. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, you see this all the time when when, you know, a politician promises you something. Hey, if I get elected, I'm gonna give you this. You know, and then as soon as he gets in it's like Trump's wall, I'm gonna give you a wall and Mexico is gonna pay for it. And then as soon as he's in okay, well, I got I got what I wanted from you. Got your vote now I'm just going to have to pander and make some excuse. Why you don't have it. It's the other side is because of them it's they won't let me have it. You know, we've heard the same thing with healthcare, while we would have done this with healthcare. But the other side won't let me have it in the reality is, like, that's intentional because next election cycle, if they give you everything that they're promising. What are they going to have the sell you the next time around? Oh, absolutely. And speaking of Trump's wall account want to give it a little bit. Universal basic income, it seems like it seems like literally everybody has been discussing it in the Democratic Party. To put my bias out there just so you know, a little bit about me. I've always been kind of like it's good on paper like, maybe like a macro level, we could try it, but the UB I the Democrats are putting out is kind of retarded because it's like saying let's, let's go ahead and throw some alcohol on this giant like dumpster fire right now, because it's UB I almost no cuts in the welfare stays. No cuts in social security. It's no cuts anything. It's just let's just give people money. And then let's figure out why the rent is getting higher later. Right. Well, here's, here's my take on that. Slaves had UB is. Have you think about it? They, they had food and shelter. Well shit. I never thought of it that way. But please continue. So. This is the thing, right? You know, we're, we're if you think about what slavery is. It's you have to work. There's no question about that. You have to work, and we're going to the in exchange for the labor that you give us. We're going to give you food and shelter in basic healthcare, and some other stuff. That's what slavery was. You couldn't leave. Now, of course we're, we're all slaves to nature, right? At the end of the day, if I were the only person left on earth, I would have to work to find my food grow my food. You know, whatever like you're, we're all slaves to nature. We, we can't say that were being oppressed in that way. But to be a slave to another person is a completely different story. And when you look at the way that, that our society is built it's you have to work. I've traveled the world to some amazing places where people are completely self sufficient there. They don't have a lot of stuff. They don't complain that they're poor. They don't complain that they're in poverty, but they grow their own food. They killed their own chickens. They pull water out of. Oh, well, and they're happy, their lives are actually happy. Like people think like, oh, we need computers in cellphones in all this, you know, fifty five hundred channels of cable to be happy that doesn't make us happy that keeps us entertain that keeps us numb to the fact that we have to work, these jobs that we absolutely hate and some of us, like I don't want to say everybody's job is terrible. Because some of us like our jobs in, we're, we're improving technology where improving the world, we're, we're bringing more technology, more people at cheaper prices. So, you know, some of these some of these forms that I stayed at where people they don't have jobs. They just grow their own food. Sometimes they take some stuff into a market, they traded for some money, and then they have internet and electricity. So that's because some people were working hard to advance science. So here's my, here's my one problem, though. And definitely call me out after I'm done with this. But like, you know, like, Dan, you and I have done their homework like we know what basic. Kindergarten economics. Looks like when it comes to this stuff, but sadly, like, and I'm originally from the south west air Zona, and I've lived throughout the country. Sadly, we've got a large portion of our society, which I'm not gonna call them stupid, because I know someone's gonna say, I said that later, but I'm just say they're not as like financially, or economically literate is you and I and they're working in retail or fast, food, or trucking well into their forties, and fifties, when they hear that their jobs are gonna be automated away, within a decade there, like well shit. What, what do I do? Now, I it kind of gets into that whole. We'll just learn to code situation, like some people are like they're just going to by default. A lot of people are going to be unemployed for a while. And if you see someone that's angry. Look out. Whole bunch of people who just missed their first Bill. Right. But here's, here's the thing, and this is kind of like the transition into that because it's very possible that these jobs are gonna go away because of automation, but the fear that like people like Andrew Yang or pushing is that the jobs are going to go away. But the, the cost of living is going to stay the same what they don't look at is actually the cost of living is going to go up because, now they're going to have to tax everything harder. But what they don't tell you is. Hey, if you're struggling to, to survive right now, the reason for that is not because your jobs, not paying you that much, it's not because, you know, all these other is not because they're billionaires making too much money you're struggling to get by is because that paycheck, that you're getting the government is taking half of it. You're going to pay your rent, and you have to pay property tax your, you know, everything that you're buying from food to your your, your utilities, and everything else. These are all taxed so much that this is really making things hard for you to get by. And if you get that. That out of the equation. Now, your life becomes actually easier to get by. And when you do that, and you say, okay, well, wouldn't you like to have your life be easier, like wouldn't you like your cost of living to go down will? Yeah. That sounds great most people would love that. And when you talk about universal basic income, the, the idea of your job, being automated away, the reality is if your job is automated away, that means you're going to get whatever you were getting for even less like that means, like, imagine this, there's a car factory employing. A hundred thousand people, they all lose their jobs, because, now the entire car factory is completely automated. What are they going to do continue to make a million cars a year and not sell them to anybody 'cause nobody has jobs? Or are they going to lower the price of a car to five hundred dollars or one hundred dollars because it costs them? Absolutely nothing to make those. Yeah. I mean you make perfect sense of that. I'm just thinking of the things that people are yell at you, when they're like, well, these people are saying, they'll protect my job, and they'll give me the free money, the quote, free money, you ought to take away, one of the help me. And this is why especially as we wind down the show. This is why the libertarian candidate whether it's you or someone else it's going to have such a such a difficult job, because Gary Johnson, who everyone's like, oh, he's so likable like he was crucified in two thousand sixteen. I didn't really like him, but like I felt bad for him because I knew what he was. I knew who he was. I knew what he was doing. And they all they focused on was. Why do you want to legalize drugs illegal drugs killed my kid? Do you want kill my kid again? Well, it's like why was your kid doing something illegal that he knew would probably kill him? And that was, you don't know Aleppo is, and everyone became a geopolitical expert overnight. Right. Like I really like whether it's you or someone else like best of luck because that's a shit job. Why do you want to do it? And why should people take a chance on you and twenty twenty? So. One of the one of the big issues that I'm pushing right now is actually free healthcare. And this, this kind of gets into your point about messaging. To the people who, who want this. First of all, you know, a lot of the Democrats have talked to they're concerned. They're, they're not coming at it from an economic perspective of we need to fix the healthcare system. They're coming at it from a survival perspective of I have a sick grandmother. I have diabetes. I have all these problems there. It's a pre existing condition. I can't get insurance. These are all valid concerns, but this puts him into survival mode. So even libertarian, if you ask a libertarian who's hiking through the through the woods in the dead of winter, and he's gonna freeze to death if he doesn't find some shelter and he finds a cabin. He will break enter, which is illegal a property crime to go into this house. And he might even steal some food, just so he can survive, and it's not considered a crime because it's, it's an immediate survival concern. Any if you look at the people who are crying, that, hey, I want this free health care, I don't care who you have to steal from to give it to me. Those people are operating on that same that same type of of survival. Instinct. Right. It's okay to break the law a little bit. It's okay to do something that, that is a little bit immoral. Sure. It might be immoral to steal. But we're stealing from bad people. Right. Because they say, we're just gonna steal from the rich and it's for my survival. So it's okay, the reality is a lot of these people that I've talked to sell them on the idea of free healthcare, which is not free like zero cost of acquisition, but free as in, we're going to get the government out of it. Because right now the government is the one that saying you cannot go and buy your insulin online from another country, even though it's a tenth of the price because we won't let you government is the one saying there are doctors and nurses in this country that are able to practice on you. They're able to give you basic diagnosis, they're able to do surgeries or able to do other stuff. But we won't allow that because they don't have they've been educated outside of the country, and we don't give them permission in this country. The government is the reason that you don't have access to healthcare. The government is the reason that you have to pay five times more because they have to. Hire. All these nurses in, you know, administrators the government is the reason that we have limited options in medications that there's no competition in. They're able to create monopolies in Ripa soft. So when, when I when I talked to a lot of the, the really left-leaning Democrats about this issue, they come around, and they see I see I get that. So what you're saying is, we have less government. We won't have to worry about this circus, about about, who we're gonna steal from to give healthcare to other people. We're actually going to be able to just afford it. And they're okay with that, because at the end of the day, it's survival, and they just need to get what they need. Man, you make a lot of sense. But the world makes very little sense. Dan within that. If people wanna learn more about you support your campaign and all that jazz. How could they do? So, so I've got a website at Berman, twenty twenty dot com. B. E. H R, M, A, N twenty twenty dot com. And of course, there's legalized pineapple pizza dot org where I'm running a contest to give you shut the fuck up a years worth of pineapple pizza, among other prizes. Oh my God. Are you for or against listen mad, like here's the thing, I want to claim neutrality, not all pineapple peop- all not all any any calmed down? Not all pineapple pizza is created equally case point, and have you ever tried Little Caesars, pineapple pizza? In twenty years. So I can't say I have. That's such a Bouche wash statement. Absolute pleasure having you on best of luck in the race. And you know. The forms yours. Each side, anytime you wanna come on. Awesome. Thank you. All right, folks. Everything that Dan, brought up his website and his apostate financial pizza website. All those links will be in the show notes over or w Martinez dot com as always go ahead and follow me on Twitter at Rhames, so VA that's REM SO f o r v a fall in all you back, indiscriminately, that's way. We'd go ahead. And keep this pineapple pizza fueled conversation going as always w Martinez. Shut out. Everything more are w Martinez dot com to the out of w Martinez on Facebook minds, gaps Twitter anywhere that you're know millennial cousin knows and we'll talk to you next time. Take care America tonight.
Completely Useless EP 45 Pt2: Ian McCall
"Welcome to another episode of completely useless. Podcasts I'm Frank Martinez one of the two host for the show. Pablo Sanchez is the other house. Now we forgot to do our intro for this two part episode. That's right two part episodes so if you didn't listen the first part go back one episode and you can listen to the beginning. This episode includes Ian McCall former UFC fighter and now event coordinator for Democracy Their company that goes out and people on the science behind the benefits magic mushrooms so without too much going into what Ian does definitely keep listening. Thank you guys for checking us out. Have Fun listen this episode.
Life and Death on the Rig | Chapter 4
"There are certain. Sounds you expect to hear on an oil rig. There's the roar of the rigs diesel engine. The clink of steel and iron roughnecks cussing one another. But not this the Go-to some heat downloaded. Today's his ringtone got the pros and they would make by the Hammons grabbing. Yesterday called me arterial Martinez. Junior was a roughneck from my hometown of Andrews like a lot of guys in this line of work. Junior was a little rough around the edges but his tough guy exterior. Never fold anyone for long. Here's his wife. Sohn Ida data friends would tell my girls that x mean and they're like Oh my God he looks me. He's just a big old teddy bear. Would tattoos the Martinez family was huge for generations lived in or near Andrews and junior the tattooed. Teddy Bear was the center of the Martinez Family Universe. Here's here's Alexandra. Juniors daughter-in-law goofy like always loud laughing. Everything that he did was about his grandkids and his kids and his wife like always making people laugh. There's nothing glamorous about working on an oil rig rig your often covered from your heart hat to you're still toed boots in all Greece and pipe dope even strong men like junior get worn out by the physical physical demands of a twelve hour shift but of junior was tired from his long days of tripping pipe on the rig he never let on once he was home yes he whitcombe home and you know that he said but out there but you wouldn't even tell that he just got off work he would be full of energy has grandkids so on weekends when he wasn't working junior would gather the family at his father in law victor's home just past the city limits of Andrews. The two story houses surrounded ended by pastures full of Mesquite trees junior typically did the grilling grownups would drink beer and listen to music. While the kids ran around and played during football season it always turn on the cowboys game. It was one of these barbecues on March. Eighth Two thousand fifteen the the last time most of juniors family would ever see him. I'm Chris Wallace in this is boomtown a podcast about about the biggest oil boom in Texas history and the people who call the Permian Basin home in this episode regarding to tell you a story about roughnecks despite all the remarkable advances in technology the oil that fuels our everyday lives are vehicles are planes. The heavy machines we used has to pay roads build cities and harvest crops all of that still begins with the tens of thousands of rig hands who wake up before the crack of dawn every every morning to pump crude from the ground a his and it's dangerous word. My mom actually cried when I I told her that I was going to work as a roughneck to pay off my college loans. She she had reason to be worried. The Center for Public Integrity found that more than fifteen hundred oil and gas workers were killed on the job between two thousand eight and two thousand in seventeen. That's about the same number of US soldiers who died fighting in Afghanistan over that same period of time. We often hear about the price of oil the price per barrel the price per gallon but for roughnecks and their families the price can be far steeper This is episode for Life and death on the rig the Martinez are in many ways A Quintessential Oilfield family rough necking is a trade. That goes back generations. Juniors Dad Arturo senior made his reputation in the the patch in the understated parlance of West. Texans senior was known as a good hand. It's one of the highest compliment. You can give a roughneck. The means means he was reliable and hardworking and junior like his brother and many of his cousins followed in his father's footsteps by Two Thousand Fifteen Gene Junior had worked in the patch for nearly three decades most of his adult life but he was really really good at his work because he could quit one job today day and by tomorrow he'd have another job in different oilfield company. He was really good and he loved junior worked as a floor. Hand one of the four oppositions that make up a typical rig crew there to four hands at work on the rig floor and they use a huge hydraulic wrench to screw together joints of pipe. That are run in and out of the world working. Some fifty feet above the rig floor is the Derek Manic. He helps guide the long sections of pipe has the floor hands. Make their connection. It's a coveted position. The Derek man is paid a little extra for the added risk of falling to his death. And then there's the rig operator he's the captain of the ship he works a series of joysticks and levers that control the rigs every move for roughnecks. An eighty hour work week is not unusual. Well in fact it's often the goal overtime pay time and a half. The work itself is strenuous and backbreaking. Imagine spending spending your day lifting thirty foot joints steel pipe the way over one hundred pounds each because there's always the risk of flash fire roughnecks are required to wear are heavy flame resistant shirt jeans called F ours and out on the rig. It's often brutally hot unless it's not in which case it's often miserably the cold it also stinks h two s a poisonous gas at seeps up from below ground and smells like rotten eggs frequent high winds. Stir up TURT- devils that blast sand in your face on a really dirty job. You might go through four or five pairs of gloves just one ship and even at the end of the day. You never really leave oilfield behind. This is juniors wife's tonight again because he come with oil and stuff flaking ears or whatever and my my girls were always like daddy on your baby. I'll saving that oil one day. We won't be rich as difficult difficult as the job can be working. The patch does have its rewards. There's a sense of camaraderie among Greg Hands in West Texas. There's a lot of pride it comes with being a rough neck and of course the pay is pretty damn good too. While manufacturing in factory jobs are disappearing across America. The Permian Permian is one of the few places where a person without a college degree can work hard and make a good living for their family. Here's Andrea the second of junior's three daughters. Every time he would get paid pay very. Let's go you know medical. Take your shopping or whatever it was in the one would be like you spend too much money on them but of course. She was always with a socialist getting spoilt to when junior and Sonatas youngest daughter Sadie got pregnant at fifteen. The child's is father immediately. quit high school and went to work. Rubio Arroyo's most called him landed a high paying job. As a machinist northfield servicing company. You he was later laid off during downturn but junior told his son in law to come work with him and senior and so in late two thousand fourteen three regenerate Tina's family went to work on the same rig. Roy quickly learned to hold his own. I had never seen kid a young so responsible senior was the rig operator. He was notoriously tough on his crew. Some called him the whip. He had good reason to be every time his rig was up and running millions of dollars of equipment and the lives of the men working the rig were literally in in his hands and there are plenty of things that can go wrong each will comes with its own particular quirks. You might hit pockets of poisonous gas. Ask sometimes the pressure spits up old drilling mud and other nasty muck all over the rig hands. There's not much room for error and airs happen in all the time. There are a lot of moving parts on a rig and if a piece wears out or breaks it can be deadly communication on rigs can also be difficult with all the noise and the Derek man working fifty feet above the rig floor one wrong move by crew. Member can cause a heavy chunk of metal to crush another men's finger a clean off his hand and if the pressures and fluids aren't constantly maintained every well has the potential to become a bomb in the permian. It's common to hear about oil field accidents on the nightly news new details tonight in a Tragic Oilfield Accident Midland County. One man was crushed to death. Another was was injured on a website this morning tonight. We're taking a closer look at safety in the oilfield. Always been like that doesn't matter if you're afraid of it or you're not going to happen. It's going to have to work. But you're going to make it back home on pretty rough off. That's Victor Martinez. Juniors father-in-law Candice Ruis runs. Darkhorse safety accompanying base out of Andrews that specializes in training other oil field companies in safety compliance. She's also been hired to investigate fatalities in the patch. She says the heightened heightened page of today's frenzied boom has brought additional dangers. I think our biggest concern is the oil and gas industry is so fast paced when I get a call for equipment. It's usually can. I needed that yesterday. Like I'm in a hurry in abide I need it now so everything is very fast fast paced. Well when you have a very fast paced industry that means that if you're going like that then a lot of things are taking a back seat and a lot of the Times if it's Mike that safety is the thing that aches the backseat. Last Day is a new podcast from Lennon. 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There are actually two types of land rigs there are drilling rigs this which are massive and as the name implies us to drill new wells and there are workover rigs which are basically smaller mobile versions of drilling erling rigs on workover rigs the Derek folds down over the top of a big truck so it can then drive from one job to the next most of the time. WORKOVER workover rigs are used to repair. Older wells aren't flowing properly and they tend to be more dangerous than drilling rigs. There's often no one around a supervisor crew you you do your work alone with just the big sky. Mesquite trees there to witness the Martinez. Men roughneck on workover rigs the same kind that I did. My closest call on a rig came one scorching day in June two thousand thirteen. I was working on the rig floor when I heard a loud popping noise the sound medal striking metal Derek. I thought the whole rig might be coming down so I jumped over the side rail. Some eight feet to the ground. I was running away from the rig as soon as my boots. Hit the dirt Iran nearly half a football field before turning around to see what had happened. The operator there was slumped over the brake handle and the forehand was laying on the rig floor about three feet from where I jumped the San Line a wire cable more than half an inch thick. That's meant to hold. An extraordinary amount of weight. Had snapped spinning violently back around the wind. Strong the cable had unraveled into strands of flailing wire liar. The operator had been struck in the back. His shirt was ripped between the shoulder blades. There were gashes where the cable it hit him. The other floor Han was hitting hitting the leg. He had to pull some wire out of his cat by the time I drove him to the hospital. His boot had filled with blood. No one was seriously injured that day. But a buddy who works on safety told me it could have been much much worse normally when a San Line breaks. You don't take command of the the hospital. He said you pick pieces of him out from around the drum March tenth. Two Thousand Fifteen started out like any any other Tuesday morning in the Martinez Home Junior in Sonata got up long before the Sun. Rose Cyanide made breakfast while junior showered Roy Oy in sadie lived with them. At the time Roy was nineteen and sadie eighteen. They'd recently welcomed their second child. A boy named Dominic on most mornings Roy would rush out of bed to be junior to the shower and sadie would get up to make his lunch. But this morning Roy and sadie stayed in bed a little longer Here's Sadi's an Victoria Garcia. And that morning he just held her in bed until they're out by Lynch today. Then we just told you a little more and he sat in badly held. Her Roy finally climbed out of bed and got dressed but before leaving that morning. Sunai said he did something else. That was a little unusual. Whoa what I remember most about them? Wanting was took running my daughter in his his babies he walked out the door and he came back in and he gave him another kid in the mirror. And that just sticks to every day like he he did every morning. Arturo senior swung by the house around five thirty. AM TO PICK UP Roy in junior and his company truck. They probably stopped at a gas station before heading getting out town. Field up and added is to their watercooler would've chatted with the other crews doing the same thing. Then the three men in another other rig hand headed to a location in Upton County about one hundred miles southeast of Andrus that morning the men arrive at the rig around seven thirty after that they would have gone into the Doghouse to change out of their street. Clothes hang them in the lockers and pulled on their dirty F ours. They would've snagged a fresh pair of cotton gloves. Put on their hard hats and then head out to the rig at the time they were working on a rig owned by an odessa-based company called Mason. Well all service their job. That morning was to place a blowout preventer on a well something. They've done many times before Sonata. Had Gone Back to sleep after Roy in junior left a few hours later around ten. Am She was startled. Awake and banging on the door and then I heard my brother. He's like get out get up and I'm thinking my brother if anybody there's loud he's just trying to get me up and he's saying they said there was an accident afterward junior and then work and it's like what do you mean. She says it. The rig exploded exploded simple words. The guys he's they're not here no more. I just remember screaming and crying in my my daughter telling us that's just not true. Not True See graduate bonus you just kick calling over and over and over and over. She stayed like bleeper like an hour. She's like it's not true true. He kept screaming like answer. Your phone has for your phone. Where did the accident spread quickly and members of the Martinez family rushed over two Sonatas? Alexis Juniors oldest daughter happened to walk into the kitchen just as her grandpa broke the news to her partner. Alex I had barely walk Finland. He was telling her that. No one on the rig made it in my head I was just like oh my gosh out to go tell my mom about not my dad and then I stopped and I started thinking knows like my grandpa in really are on the same crew and they I said no one lived. So did we just lose these thing. Alexis called her sister Andrea had gotten up early that morning to make lunch for her husband. Cameron who also works in the oilfield. She and her kids had gone back to sleep and Alexis call woke her up. She jumped Jenner car and raced over to Sinai. Says she didn't even bother to put on her shoes. As soon as I seen everybody there and my mom crying I just knew it was bad I it was really bad and that killed me like just walking up knowing I'm GonNa find out the worst news ever he was my dad passed and I just remember my grandpa like crying. Like this can't be true. Like how do you know they're not okay. Like so my grandpa calling everybody and trying to find out you know. They're okay or not and nobody was giving them information. Mation finally found out. You know there's only one survivor and the rest cast with a true nightmare eh. Throughout the day the rest of the Martinez family and close friends made their way to Senator Engineers House officers from the Andrews. Police Police Department came by to confirm what everyone had feared but prayed wasn't true. All three men were dead. Six days later a funeral was held for the three men at the Andrews Community Center. Hundreds came to give their respects. The building was so packed that some attendees had to stand outside. The men were laid to rest in the order. They fell Roy Arturo Senior and then junior juniors pallbearers were Dallas cowboys. Oh boy stays on her. True seniors headstone like so many others at the cemetery and the Andrews a rig was etched into the marvel. Mariachi Band played cruised in Madeira. In English. The first verse reads a Wooden Cross. The most common. That is what I asked when I die. I do not want luxuries or adobe tables. I do not want the box worth millions. The only thing I want want to sing songs a great party for the death of a poor a tragedy of this magnitude where three members of one family die in a single blast is obviously not common even in a dangerous industry like this one. Local media covered the accident extensively in a rig explosion. This morning in Upton County leaves an Andrew's family mourning the loss of three family members or one on Andrews woman. She lost a husband a father and a brother. In this morning's explosion that three leave behind many children in multiple grandchildren. The federal agency responsible for regulating workplace safety is charged with ensuring companies. Are Meeting safety standards in the wool. Oh filled after the accident Osha performed an investigation. The few eyewitnesses were interviewed and the scene of the accident was examined for clues. The investigation was complex. It took six months finally in September. Two Thousand Fifteen Osha concluded its investigation allegation. The agency determined that Mason Wall Service had quote failed to prevent contact between an ignition source inflammable liquids and gases. As in other words they fell to properly prevent conditions. That could cause a fire on a well. That's leaking highly flammable gas. There are all sorts. It's a potential ignition sources. Wherever the spark came from the gas ignited and went up like a fireball? The fire was so hot. It twisted listed the rigs still derek and burned the men's company truck that was parked nearby. It took three days to control the blaze. The Osha report stated dated that Roy Arturo Senior. Junior all died from burns when the world exploded that caught fire the chance at all in reality Osha. Severely Limited working in the oil filled filled is multifaceted and complex and a government agency that oversees every industry from residential construction to automobile. Factories can't can't regulate a rigs every move because Osha investigations are so limited. We may never know exactly what happened. That Day Osha ended ended up finding Mason. A total of fifty thousand four hundred dollars. The Martinez family was paid. Workers Compensation and settled with Mason for an undisclosed amount mount shortly after the accident Mason well-serviced shut down and its assets were sold to Eagle completions. USA WHO CEO is the daughter of Mason's principal. Owner Eagle is still active in the Permian Basin. Today the family still meets at Victor's house us on the outskirts of Andrews for weekend barbecues. That's where I met with the family to talk with them about the men. They had lost Sonata. Made Everyone Tuxedos from from scratch. You could smell them cooking from where we sat at the dining table. The memory of the three men is constantly president. Victors there are three. Wooden crosses crosses in the backyard where the men's work boots are buried. Do The living room window. You can see the car that Roy had bought shortly before he died he had I hope to work on it with his son someday. It's still parked underneath a tree out front. The family often talks about junior's laugh and his frozen ringtone and juniors oldest granddaughter still misses her best friend because I'm her PF Her best friend. She was my GRANDPA's. My best friend like even like we talked about actually Gary member. We're best friends and Family Galliano where the blowout has shifted how some members of the family feel about the oilfield. Here's Alexis you know. I have a cousin who's at that age where he's working. You Know I. I didn't want him in oil field. I didn't want in my cousins on my Dad's side to go back to work in the oilfield but leaving the oil patch isn't all that simple. Has It made you consider go somewhere else. Honestly no and I say no because is on my family's here and then of course this is where my dad is laid to rest and although he's not physically here I can go to the cemetery and talk to him. You know and sit there however long want and I know if I move you know like I don't have that many of the Martinez Tina's men still working. The whole filled. One of them was juniors brother-in-law ray. He was embittered by the loss of the men and had sworn off Mason. Well Service Service and my brother hated that company so bad he saw he'd never ever stepped foot in Mason and then they changed the name and will they needed hands and he went to work with them afterwards about a year ago so bad about it. He says betrayed guys. Because I'm working here but this is why I ended up Andrea's Andrea's husband Cameron has also gone back to work in the patch. There's times where like he'll go to location and he has no service on his phone and I'm saying they're worried that I haven't heard from him and usually like he'll takes me and if I don't get a message if I don't get a phone call like you cost me like when I every time every chance to get so when I don't hear from him where me so bad like I can't sit there and deal with it. I just start thinking of everything that happened in. It's so scaring off constantly taken the news and you know like going through facebook anybody's plus anything about you know any accidents or anything and I'm just I'm wearing myself really bad. I was able to catch up with one of seniors grandsons Joshua Martinez on one of his rare evenings off like his grandfather. A father and uncle Joshua is a rough neck. He says that before the blowout senior had told him that he didn't expect to have a retirement. He he was in that job for life until the end. That's what he did and he always told us down that break handle this we finally. I'm dying here. That's what he was talking to retire. No Sir wow so crazy happened. Yeah I guess he called Joshua's twenty eight now and he's been working in the oilfield since he was a teenager after the blow out in two thousand fifteen he struggled with whether there are not to return to his own job on the rigs about a year. I took off the rigs and I started work at a car. Wash Business Star detailing cars To me about a year written after I went back I still had trouble working. I still feel like stuff who's GonNa explode or something you know about those cautious to feel like something's is about to happen like what. Why did you decide to go back? That was tight on money. I tried to find another like shop chop chop but also working show machine here but couldn't get the job. No what hire me so try at the dad and I went back to Tariq's got real quick so I guess it was meant to be we were sitting in. Josh was bedroom. His wife was cleaning the kitchen. His two small children were are playing in the living room on the dresser was a Bandanna that red son of a Derek man and on the wall was a photo of the three three men killed in the blowout. Does that also like affect the way that you know before you leave for where with your kids all the kiss him goodbye Eh. Never know who you know. If you'RE GONNA make it home so yeah never leave the fighting. You know trying to leave looking good note. What do you feel like the the difference between like the risk and the reward? Do you feel like the rewards outweigh that risk or do you think it's a toss up. Or how do you square that. I don't think there's no scoring bro. There's no square. I don't think there is no scoring. Let him as gotTA take the list. Get the reward. Sometimes yeah coming onto my kids. Reworked the truth Next next week on boomtown the Permian next bust may be coming sooner than expected. Boomtown is a co-production of imperative entertainment and Texas monthly executive producer. Is Jason Hoke produced and engineered by Brian Standard. who also wrote the score? Boomtown is edited by J Nickel and Meghan. CRY AND CO reported. Leave reeks dead. Our theme song is written and performed by Paik Rossi. I'm your host and writer Christian Walz. Texas monthly is owned by Enterprise Products Midstream oil and gas company based in Houston. 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Church Growth Problems | Obed Martinez Part 1
"Control your narrative making sure that nobody controls your narrative. Nobody tries to paint your narrative. You have to be in the control of your narrative. This is the church growth nation. Podcast everybody this is ross turner with the vibrant agency. And here we're talking with oh bed martinez of destiny church in indio california. How you doing. Oh bed anybody how you doing. Good manny chilin in your office or where we add. Mommy mafias right now just You know hanging out with you mantis tikolo break and get ready for finalizing the weekend my weekend going. I got some good eyesight. But just seeing those glasses on you right. There just makes me wish that i could have glasses. Just rock those like you do. Say you can change. The i got the circle of wisdom going on. I have to wear this hat to cover it up back here but is what it is. You know what. I mean where yarmulke okay. Okay so tell me a little bit for the people that don't know you already tell us a little bit about where you at as a church right now and where you started the journey from planting the church all the way through the growth that you've had now tell us a little bit about you guys. Yeah man so we started my wife. And i fifteen years ago were from. La and Just had a big dream and a big god and came out here. Didn't really know anybody started with seventy families in the living room. It was way before art and way before a whole church strategy thing but i did come out call. Maximize group Prior to that worked with a lot of big churches around the country and around the world consulting their churches and so actually came out here. More by default in design There was a lot of churches out here that were really struggling. And i couple of them are highly best to come in and really help them and as we kept coming out ear more and more and more again fell off all over the place and went to all these pastors and said hey look into in our heart that got maybe calling us to plant a church into honest with one. The last things wanted to do. Because when you're a consultant you're in front of pastures every single week. You know hearing the good the bad the ugly and the super nasty of the last thing i wanted to do was become a pastor but i didn't know in some sense during the whole time that god was giving me a harbor pastor and and so we launched in and today. Now it's grown tremendously three campuses Really has a great ministry towards pastors. All passionate passes really helping them grow by then systems and structures strategy. Different things like that but yeah it's been an amazing journey so you were a consultant for other churches before you actually planted your own church. Is that ministry or business. Still going and active right now while it stopped when i planted the church because i couldn't make travel any more and about three years later. Couple of my clients ex crimes called and said hey we need some help with this that in this and decided well you know instead of me trying to go visit everyone of you guys come up to the beautiful palm springs. Area and sixteen passengers showed up actually called that event passionate pastors and that's on pass was birth. Believe so but yeah it was. It's been an incredible journey. So let me ask you at your core. Do you feel like you are a pastor. Preacher bible study guy or do you feel like you're more of a systems management leadership kind of guy you know. I i think at the end of the gay. I would probably consider myself. Probably somebody who's more systematic But i love to preach love to communicate. I don't. I'm not a preacher. I'm a treat here. You mean someone who teaches anchorages somewhere off ahead said i'll teach hand held on preach you know i got you but at the end of the day you while monday through fridays when you build a church. It's not really on sundays. And so i'm of longitude s to master that time. This'll be an interesting conversation. Because you have a unique perspective. You spent a lot of time. Coaching and teaching and training other churches other pastors how to do it. But then you transition to be a pastor of your own church and i guess my question to you is do think that that experience that you had prior to this church is one of the reasons that you guys have had success. I think at the end of the day you know most pastures. I would probably say that. I've known over the years. Maybe two or three streams you know before planning deaths in the my clients went from you know a secret sensitive church to a full gospel african american church and so i really got to see the kingdom. I really got to see what really build a church in our really got to see churches that were overly systematic and i got to see churches that were overly spiritual. Some set a spiritual eyes off day so for me. It was always finding that healthy ballots in at the end of the day. We never really started gossiping with the mindset of that we want to be a big church more than we wanna be a healthy church as kind of been always our goal. Long as we didn't stay healthy organically it will naturally grow on its own and the growth always belongs to the lord at the soil belongs to us and so we always want to make sure at the end of the day that's soil stays are ripe and ready so then when see they're planning growth just automatically takes place right now at your church. How many people do you guys have every weekend. Probably around two thousand across our campuses are valley right now. Only about three hundred fifty thousand people. So it's not like we're in la even though we planted a campus in la a year ago and it's really growing exponentially and and and i'm telling you it fastest growing campus right now. Let me ask you this. Other than obviously. Just god's blessing the church. What do you attribute a lot of the growth. You've been having a d do marketing campaigns. D do mailers. Are you doing facebook ads. What do you attribute some of the growth to well. I think at the end of the day. Your greatest advertisement is change life and so when people's lives are being changed actually advertise. Because people see it you know and and so with that we do teach them were very big on social media Were very very big on marketing But at the end of the day we're very careful on making sure that people reach people and if we can equip people to reach people than the greatest advertisement. Is there change live. How has got in our got affected you eventually. You can affect somebody else in out of broadcast across our campuses in sermons all the time. I mean there's a lot of churches in our area. Were both in california that there's a lot of churches that start and maybe closed their doors after four or five years or there's a lot of churches that continue on but they never out of one hundred hundred and fifty people but you guys have had a different experience. You guys have a flourishing church. Can you tell me from the outside looking in. What are some things that other pastures could do to help. Experience the same results that you have had. While the equation of growth goes back to change a chains. Plus conflict equals growth. So changes always gonna bring conflict but yet most pastors. What happens is if they're not focusing on the growth. Which is the outcome and they're going to revert back to the change. They made a 'cause. The platform caused the conflict. That eventually allows him to get stuck because no retreat. Going back to what's familiar rather than moving towards wet is not familiar. Maybe what they saw in a vision. They had an urgency in their heart but they could not focus long enough on the growth so they got caught up in stuck in the conflict. I'd be where a lot of pastors get stopped really is the just. Don't know how to handle the conflict that changed brings about well when you talk about conflict. Are you talking about people getting upset. And leaving the church tree talking about staff turnover. What are these kind of things that you mean with. Complex is because growth. Every growth barrier brings on a gift from conflict usually churches from zero to one fifty. You know it's a honeymoon stage at the family of a church. You know one fifty two maybe three fifty and other becoming a movement. Now they're becoming a church really you know starting to gain ground and get territory. You know. Three fifty to seven fifty. They're they're they're becoming an army and then you know seven fifty to twelve hundred that they become a nation that's the that's the evolution of israel. They started off as slaves went from a family. A family that wants to an army for army they went to a nation. Each one of those levels have growth problems. And if you don't know how to manage the growth problems won't manage the growth itself Let me ask you. You are at two thousand or so people at your church. What are some of the growth problems that you guys are experiencing right now while we're probably dealing with the same problem that every nation probably deal with even have turnover of staff. You're going to have Growth issues when it comes to you know dream teamer and volunteers. You're gonna have a shortage of a growth when it comes to creating leaders life group leaders and small group leaders comparing to the pace of the growth so many people that want to get into life groups so we're dealing with the same issues. They we issues are always the same. It's just the bigger your churches. The more magnifying ideas of the more. The more it is. It's the same thing when we hit a thousand seven fifty no gifford. I've got a big question. Tell me the truth in your opinion. Is it harder to be a pastor of two hundred people or of two thousand people will always say everybody should be bid till it's time to get big and at the end of the day. It's it's it's tough to to manage a large church because you gotta you gotta be good at managing emotions and personalities Wall still sticking to your convictions and And so i think it all boils down to capacity and competency. That's wrapped up in being relational for you guys at your church. Have you had to deal with a struggle between being a seeker sensitive type church versus a deep charismatic teaching kind of church and how of you guys handled. Maybe the blend between those two on on our we're we're you know we're we're we're a church of steps that's always tell people we just believe your next step is your best and so there's no doubt about it that at the end of the day we want our services to be impactful on weekends. We want them to touch hearts. We want to see conversion. We just don't wanna see decisions. We want to see conversion and that really takes place during steps. You know often. Some people will have a paul the apostle experience but not everybody most people will just. Have you know step by step process that grow so we offer a pathway for people's grow in through that you know we take them through different things like our freedom conference and then they go our freedom conference. Yeah they get introduced to the holy spirit that life gets changed to get filled with the baptism of the holy spirit. Psalm do sundown. Some get filled with other gifts and at the end of the day the goal is just really being an axe t model church. Our our churches always been based on the five aspects of acts chapter two. The first thing god gave in acts chapter two the pentecost comic in a sound to every church should have its own sound which means its own culture and language you know languages what language forms of behavior that eventually shapes culture so so we have a sound. He gave in the mess. Spirit system strategy and structure was of the fight. So we're not either or we're both ends You know our company's marketing agency so our skills our thought processes are about marketing and so we liked to try to find ways to take the message and the teaching and and introducing people to god. Not only in the church. But how can we reach their phones and instagram and facebook and their computers and take it outside the church so my question is what have you guys done. What's your experience in your strategy like when it comes to social media when it comes to your website. Can you speak to that a little bit. Well yeah. I think at the end of the day. I really believe that. Everything still needs to be relational but we can use these devices. Social media in some sense to keep that relational connection together so that whether that's through marketing digital discipleship wherever that may be at the end of the day us all the ways and means to make sure you're just reaching people and a lot of times you know people don't know what they don't know and if you can get your message across control your narrative making sure that nobody controls your narrative. Nobody tries to paint your narrative. You'd have to be in the control of your narrative in other words if people have a different view of your church than you do. And that's a marketing issue that you're not teaching your church. Higher really convey the message of you are and that's why every single sunday during exaltation once worship ends are passers gone. There they greet people always say welcome to destiny. We are church of steps. And so you'll see thousands of people that come through our doors at the end of the they'll remind you destiny churches that churches steps because we want to stay in control of our narrative. Make a jar in the right way.
Case 203: Jeffrey Maxwell & Martha Martinez
"You're listening to sirens a true crime podcast hosted by good friends raven rollins and holly archer. This podcast contains explicit content so listener discretion is advised. Hey there killary knees raven here. I just wanted to let you know where to find us. On social media and our website as far past episodes. There may have been times when you've heard us talk about where to find us just know that those are no longer active for now and the future you can find us at our website which is www dot the sirens podcast dot blogs spot dot com. You can find us on facebook. Instagram and tumbler at the sirens. Podcast and on twitter at sirens underscore podcast. You can join our group on facebook which is where we share exclusive content including court documents. Crime scene photos transcripts interrogation videos and more join now. and let's talk murder My summary did this. I think i had a clue research. I don't remember it's been so long. I can't even remember the last time we did it. Like this but yeah surprise k. Can some go ahead and just pop right in it. So this one actually takes place in mostly whether for texas okay. This guy's name is jeffrey. Maxwell looks familiar okay. I don't know why the minute that i looked at him. I thought that he looked familiar to. I don't know if he like reminds me. He kinda reminds me of the is the sheriff from that jessica biel remake of texas. Jeez massacre yeah. I don't know why i i don't know. Maybe it's the sideburns. Because he's got those huge chunky wolverine type sideburns greasy gray hair. This dude is three hundred pounds. Six five this is a big dude. I'm just going to say real quick. The sheriff on that movie is like an absolute. He wrote to me in my eyes and i named by buggy after him like his my buddies name. The general is a guni. So good drill sergeant in full metal jacket. That's him gunny. Okay obamacare anyways anyways so no. That's not who that reminded me of. Because i i would have been like i want to. Well i didn't even look up to see if that's who it reminding me of. I'm just like that's just where your brain went in that movie new web gives you the hebrew gb. So yeah i get this guy immediately. Gives me the he'd be gbs he has been known to and i'll get into these things later but he has been known to do things like burn down his house for insurance money. Okay shooting his livestock and animals just because he was too lazy to feed them or didn't want to spend the money to feed them right. That's whatever it was every single time. He did something he seemed to get out of it somehow like he never had an actual rap sheet for any of this stuff. This is just like way later. Neighbors and police reports and stuff said like they would say about him like this is what he used to do stuff like this so he actually bragged to the police once that he started stealing women's underwear when he was a teenager. He's fifty nine or sixty at this time and so up until this point he says the over his lifetime he stole like forty fifty sixty pairs of underwear breaking into like neighbors houses or like when he's over at their houses talking to them or whatever and they go into different room he'll just sneak in their bedrooms and steal their underwear. Just a real creeper ragging about this. Yes he and he was bragging about it. You're not okay heat. Excuse himself to use the restroom during dinner and stuff like that and just go through people's dirty hamper and take underwear. Oh my god. What's your you invite to dinner. Every joost gun. You know what never mind. There is a bathroom bedroom. And you don't go use it from now on your lock your bedroom doors when you have company over so this guy had many jobs over the years. He worked as an airline mechanic He was also a feed salesman. Oh the f. ironic right. That's what i thought too. I was like dude. You're selling it to other people and you can't. I mean you're staring at it all day every day and you'd rather shoot your livestock feed him. That's so stupid. If you can't afford it you're already naturally assif so right. Yeah i mean we're not condoning. Thievery yeah no but like. I wouldn't be bad if you stole a bunch of food to feed animals. Good for whatever. I wouldn't wouldn't be mad about it at all. He was also a prison guard at one point more irony so the last few years during this big moment. I'll tell you about later. It was actually living off a social security disability benefits all right so when he was eighteen he had a girlfriend named rita whom he got pregnant and after a few years and literally only a few years. They got a divorce. Like nineteen eighty-one ish. So jeffrey maxwell met someone else through a mail matchmaking service. Her name was martha martinez and she lived with her parents mexico. I told you mail mail like snail. Mail matchmaking service olah. Yeah yeah so so yes. She was living with their parents and mexico and apart from a few trips to see her. Their relationship basically primarily consisted of just writing love letters back and forth. I mean it was a male but he finally apparently went down to mexico and propose to her and martha's family was not too happy about it like apparently they didn't like him he gave them just weird uneasy feeling. They couldn't pinpoint it something. That didn't rub them. The right way about this guy. Carol martinez who was married to martha's brother beer said we just didn't like him to be nice to gay people such a creepy feeling. They begged martha not to marry him. Martha was twenty nine at the time and she was like worried that this that was going to be like her last chance to become a wife or a mom. She's like super insecure and they kind of felt like jeffrey prayed off that like he could tell that she was super insecure. Yeah and just kind of jumped on it. When carol had married hollier. Martha had brought maxwell to the celebration to the wedding and carol remembers maxwell approaching her at the reception and she said he looked at me and he said i guess since we're family now i get to kiss you. And then he jammed his tongue down her throat. No i'm sorry. Red flag three three-strikes immediately. Yeah like it's been a few months and you're already striking out like come on man. I don't know what i would do something like that happened. Like i'm sorry Your husband yeah. He just french to me over in the bushes so and then we got a problem here. So were apparently a few minutes later. He did the exact same thing to another family member and she was the bride at the tongue. Has he not get himself killed acting like this. Oh no clue. That's just disgusting. So you know. He's already forcing himself. All over all kinds of women. Martha obviously had moved in with maxwell and she had began telling friends that weird things were happening at home that started turning into troublesome things happening at home and she would like show up with bruises on her wrists and bruises on her ankles and stuff like that and she tried to keep it from her family but by then martha and maxwell had actually had a son together and so she was afraid that she couldn't leave him. It kept getting worse and worse and in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. She was actually found on the side of the road along. I thirty five about ten miles outside of art. More homa going where no idea no idea. I mean we're talking. We went from weatherford. Which is where she moved from mexico to weatherford and then somehow they end up near ardmore oklahoma when this happens when she was found. They weren't sure that she was even alive. They sent her to the hospital. She had been so verily beat she had been drugged she had been tied up. Apparently tortured for several days and her throat was slit and yet she survived like how she didn't bleed out on the side of the road. Ism frigging miracle kidding. She was in the hospital obviously for a while. She actually told detectives they came and talked to her to see like who did this tour to see if she could remember anything. She told them that. Her husband jeffrey maxwell had done this to her driven. Call him that anymore. You know what i mean. Well you know what's weird that you say that what's weird is that by this point. She actually didn't refer to him as my husband. Or even jeffrey she actually when she would talk to family she would say the bad man. Okay good literally. She would say the batman is home. I have to go or like stuff like that satan. Here gotta go. Yeah so the detectives asked her if they could search her home. She agreed and they found stash next to the air conditioner. Unit brown paper bag full of books about bondage yummy was called bound and whipped. Another was called caged schoolgirls no no new. Another one was called bondage for three wives. Oh god yeah below that. They found a another bag that had handcuffs senate cords and clothes pins. I guess he was just putting himself together. A little bondage kit. Yeah i mean. Close friends wouldn't be terribly uncomfortable. Pressure learn something new every day. I'm going to get into this with you on the air. But it's kind of you know. How when certain erogenous things are happening you start to go numb to it. Okay yes you don't just keep on doing the same thing in the same spot. It's kind of like why people bite people over or whatever. Well i can tell you. I do not enjoy that drive. You pinch me. You're gonna shit your teeth out mornings around whatever and it's probably all of that was probably him like Her shit for sure or him reading books. It's kind of like how men fantasize porn and stuff. It's like honey. It's not always like that. That's not what you don't get. Yeah like we're not calling reverse cowgirl on tuesday unless it's not yet fantasize so he's seeing he's probably reading these things i'm thinking. Oh women like this. I'd like this. I'm gonna do this. Would what does she likes. It or not wasn't consensual any well and she had told friends and family that she basically chest went along with the things that he wanted because she was she didn't want to be a quote unquote spinster and so she thought he was the only way that she was ever gonna find any sort of husband. I feel really bad for this woman how she thought of herself. Because girl you can do better. I'm just saying you can do better in mexico. I mean come on stay there. It just makes me feel bad because i mean she told him like well. If i didn't do this then i was afraid that he would either a leaf me or be beat me like it doesn't have to be one like leave. You know i would definitely pick the leave me. Please leave me. Yeah good go so. He was actually arrested for this and charged aggravated kidnapping rhythm arrest in that. I didn't see where they actually arrested him. I went to assume that they arrested him in weatherford because they went to the home and weatherford found all of this stuff. I don't know if they determined that the crime happened in weatherford or if it happened near ardmore or who. They wanted to like which place they wanted to prosecute this at. And maybe that was part of the whole austin translation thing. Also i feel like he should have been charged with maybe attempted murder. I mean he slit her throat. Yeah you don't necessarily. But i mean that's that's that's what you do to slaughter an animal. That's slow like you are two arteries no. He's he likes to play is and you'll learn this but like plate was someone's arteries if you think that's not gonna kill her. Okay all right. I could tell i'm already all right. I knew this was going to iran coming soon waiting waiting. So martha is finally discharged from the hospital. She takes her son and they flee to mexico to stay with her family. She told them some of the stories that she'd from what has been going on with maxwell him liking to bind her and the bruises on her wrists and her feet like he would chain her on her wrists and her feet and then like chain her to the bed or like. Lock her in a small room with these chains on for days and days and leave her there. I'm wondering like what did they do with the kid. In the meantime this poor kid witnessing all this. I mean had to of yeah. Like what age was he though. I mean they got married in nineteen eighty two issues and she was found near the side of the road. Nineteen eighty-seven so five or six years old. Probably this has been going on for a while. So that kid must have seen a lot of stuff. I know and like sometimes in all honesty if you think like i have so many friends who are parents. That are just absolutely convinced that they're like no. He remembers things. She remembers things like they do but they don't like they do right now because they're they've only been on this planet for six years. Have so much to go off of but like if you are want you to tell me right now like you tell me personally right now what you got for your fourth birthday not a fucking clue like you grow. It goes away. I can agree with you. Because i can only remember maybe two or three big events when i was little bit like for once. I got bit on the boob by a horse. And i remember the crap out of that. We yeah i think. That's why ones bigger than the other. Because you don't date enough men who like you gotta have ryan wants an lifting. They don't do the crossover. Just straight out in front of them so the left one's bigger right in front of them but my husband so wears on all things that are wholly that he can remember every single thing that ever happened to him since he wasn't born and i'm like you can't no you can't him. We'll never know what the shit see. You was traumatic. You remember it happening but you remember what it is. You get my point. Yes yeah yeah. Yeah couldn't tell you which one it was for sure credit. Go i hope for that kid sake that you are one hundred percent correct and all of that just fell out of that child's mind i know and some someone somewhere is going to be like no traumas completely different that hold it in a certain box and that'll be all they remember from that time like i get it. I'm just saying but we hope not. Yeah we don't want find myself reminding year. Let me fuck in heaven. You're gonna hate this part okay. For whatever reason the authorities couldn't keep contact with her in mexico and they couldn't come up with enough evidence to actually convict this guy so he didn't even go to court dropped it. They dropped it all. Oh fuck sake shaimaa. And after all of this he starts writing letters to her again. Can't thug jeffrey. Yes you sweet talking her. And he's telling her how sorry he is that he ever hurt her and that he can't live without her and that he wants her back and he is apologizing all this stuff and her family is like listen to me. Give me that litter. Let me burn it. Please stay away from him and she did not listen. Oh my god. She went back to him. Fucking place. stupid games win super presence. She moved back in with her son back into the same home with him. So we have full blown stockholm syndrome. And i truly believe that. That's what it is really believe. I mean you keep someone literally bound and torture them and make them believe that you are the only source of anything on the planet. That's what that is that stockholm syndrome. Her family was absolutely livid when she announced that she was moving back. I think at one point they lived in fort worth as well. And i don't know at what point but i know at one point. They did at first thing seemed to be better. She actually went back to college. She got an associate's degree. She seemed happy. The son seemed happy. She maxwell had previous can from his first marriage and they were he was living with them as well and they all got along. Martha got along with the kid. And apparently jeffrey gone along with. I mean they were doing great then. Martha brought jeffrey maxwell to a family. Reunion god you remember when he likes to do at family gatherings who's painting city still so people were apparently forcing themselves to make small talk. They weren't completely loving it Apparently he tried to force himself on some of the women there that night and just got completely out of hand and day. Kind of told markelle like listen. We can't deal with him so it wasn't too long after that. It was actually mother's day so that was early. Nineteen ninety two and then mother's day no one heard from her people couldn't get a hold of her and her car was still at home. Her passports were untouched. Her credit cards were left behind. And jeffery maxwell told the police that had been left on her own how. I don't know he told the police he didn't know her car. You're still here. I guess she just walks. I dunno and she went missing like forever. They never found her. What the fuck. She's literally still to this day missing. Oh no wouldn't it be so cool. She went back to mexico and she's living her best life. That would be amazing in like you know. Oh we don't know no one knows that's like the only way that they could make sure that he didn't go looking for. I really hope that's what happened to but that's like that's that's what happens with the fuck narcissism people who are manipulative. Whatever like they will cause problems between you and your family between you and your friends and they'll make it to where your friends and your family are like. Okay if you're going to keep choosing this person than we're fucking done with you and so then it's like okay. We'll have you all to myself. No one's ever gonna know no one's gonna know if i'm being you gonna know you know you have no out. You have no one to talk to so tooth row to the even weirder part of it was that he didn't report her missing. Oh here we go. Her family actually were the ones that started looking into it and like told the police. Hey we haven't heard from her weeks and weeks and her family after they had got the police looking into it and maxwell had told the police she left on her own and they were actually looking into it. Her family actually receives some like handwritten letters and this is like way after she had initially gone missing. You would think that if she were going to leave a letter or send a letter to her family telling them where she was going. What she was doing that would have been the first thing they would have received that pretty early on and in litter up and this is the weird part two in the letters were in english and she obviously when she was at home. She's from mexico when she's at home. She speaks spanish. Why would you talk to your family in english exactly exactly. She had written her family in english. Normally she would if she were to write them letters or talk to them or whatever it was it would be in spanish. The outsides of both the envelopes have been addressed in a different hand than what the letters were written. And so i mean it was just very weird. Apparently her brother flew to texas to talk to the police in person and they filed a police report all this stuff and the family like hundred percent. The whole time thought that he had something to do with it immediately. They were like you need to be looking at him. He tried to kill her previously. So why are we not looking at him. But the investigation went cold god yet. They had no evidence. They had no trace of her and so they brought it to a grand jury but they didn't bring charges because there was just no evidence so he got away with it and the thing about it too is that we know previously. He thought he had killed her. And he don't turn near ardmore. Oklahoma which is moslem has mazda miles and miles and miles away from weatherford texas. So there's no telling where he could have dumped her body. There's no telling why. How did she get there. How many. I just don't there has to be something somewhere because someone someone is going someone in a uniform going to be like okay. You're weatherford will. You're from mexico first of all you're living in weatherford with your husband who you say did this you. And we're finding you in ardmore. So connect the dots for me. Because i don't get it doesn't make sense doing here to get here. What business does he have here. Why would you just randomly driving to oklahoma. You know well apparently in i. This is something that she had mentioned when she survived the first attack. Apparently he liked to just drive around in his vehicle with her tied up in the back and he would just like stop. Beat shit out of her and then they'd go again. Jesus crossing corruption. What is rawlins's person And so i mean if he's known to drive literally hundreds of miles and he did so at one point. We know for a fact. I mean it's like it's not that weird. It's not that out of the ordinary. The only thing ordinary this time that she was nearly dead. Throw everything completely normal. Good no this guy not at all so that was nine hundred ninety two in nineteen ninety five he petitions the court for divorce citing martha's disappearance in the fact that she's probably dead. Okay why why. That's three years. He was like is three years long enough for me to wait to ask for a divorce from someone that i know for. A fact is dead killed her. Why though whether you want a divorce do you have another victim in your site. He wanted to remarry rita his first wife. Oh jesus tips. Yeah who had by then had three daughters from an an a different marriage and of course the sun that they had together apparently they granted this divorce and he actually did mary rita again and two days before his second wedding. Tarita there police reports that were filed by her best friend saying that maxwell had raped her a woman who is renting part of a duplex from maxwell said that he had come over one night to fix a broken sink and forced himself on her when he was done. He apparently puts clothes on told her not to tell anyone and then left her crying on the veteran okay. I won't tell anyone since you told me tony. One right. yeah you're right. I was going to until you said that right. So there to filed rape reports on him right as he marries regan and not long after he moved on with rita of remember. She now has three young girls from a different marriage. God leave the kids alone. The middle daughter complained to school officials that her stepfather was touching her inappropriately. The girls said that it happened most often when she was in the game room playing nintendo that he would lie next to her and put his tongue down her throat that the only thing that she could do to try to block him was to her teeth like gritter teeth shut so he couldn't stick his tongue through. I met saying oh. Yeah no shit right. After those complaints maxwell moved to move the family to a different school completely. Like this is active understand. There are two police reports before. I go any further in this breaking story there to police sports currently on him one daughter is telling school officials that he is molesting her yet. Nothing is done to him. Nothing how are they not bringing him in and questioning him and calling. Dhs and all of these things that i know for a fact existed in nineteen ninety five and instead he just packs the family up a move some to a different school. And of course what happens. There's new allegations at the new school. The younger starter goes to the school officials at the new school and says that. He's touching her appropriately. She described waking up in the middle of a thunderstorm and wanting her mother when she got to the bedroom he was the only one there and she said he groped her all over until they saw her mom's headlights pull up in the driveway and he told her to go back to bed. This is a part that really pisses me off because child protective services came in this time. And guess what they did. I don't i. They told rita that she should take the girls and leave the house. Okay that's it that's it. They didn't finally the charges against him. They i mean they didn't do anything to ham. Is it just because it was a. He said she said things like what. How many fucking people need to come forward and tell this same narrative until they believe him. You know what i mean. Apparently a hundred so. I'm wondering if i if i file a report on you like i'm filing report. I'm saying this happen like that. Needs to go in your ama- bad person folder. Some fucking wear. You know 'cause that's a trail like l. trail of evidence of some sort leading to you and this behavior the fact that it's repetitive. You do. This is how can operate this. How would you would think. I don't get that. I don't know what the hell's going on in texas and nineteen ninety five. She's so apparently she does. She takes the girls and she leaves. She leaves him like was he not already like this before like they. They were married the divorce in she got back with him. Went was he just not like that with her. You know. I don't get no idea. No idea because i mean he was eighteen when he married her the first time so maybe these compulsions that he had were around them maybe he hatton wasn't experimenting with them. I don't know so confusing. She leaves him okay. And and now i'm going to tell you about something that happened in two thousand which was five years later just because i think it might or might not have something to do with jeffrey maxwell this thing is not proven to be connected to him and anyway but a lot of people seem to think it is but in the year two thousand there are a woman. Her name is amelia smith. She is five three. she's a hundred and eleven pounds. she's fifty one years old. She works for attacks company in irving texas. She drives a taxi. Tax service was like. I'm sorry she she. She works at a taxi company in irving texas. She was a taxi driver. Tax service was wrong with me. She goes and picks up people and makes them make some new checks here and talk to the irs telling okay so his. She's on shift herships in ends at ten pm. On february third two thousand. She drove home to hurt her trailer. Home in weatherford texas. She was alone her husband. I believe she was a wife and mother at. I'm not sure how many children but her husband was actually visiting his mother at the time so he was out of town. The children were with him so it was literally just her own. That's kind of weird. Do people do that. I mean i guess. I can see how like if my husband had to work and i wanted to visit my parents. I would probably take the kids and go and leave him but then again. I highly doubt that he would me do that. Just stays exactly. That's weird anyways. Some people some people like that. Yeah i don't know especially in a world where one is. This is two thousand so home security systems. Were just starting to be a thing. They're pretty expensive and like non a lot of people had you've got a floodlight probably like emotion. Yeah a lot of people had the those. Yeah but i mean constantly actual home security systems. Yeah that was kind of a new thing to get but so she gets home. Run around ten thirty at night and by four. Am the neighbors are calling the police because her trailer home is completely engulfed in flames. God by the time that police arrived it was like absolutely engulfed almost to the ground and they immediately suspected that it was arson. I guess just because of how fast how quickly it was burning. They discovered that someone also attempted to set a fire to the interior of her car so someone had put accelerate inside of the car and tried to set that on fire as well. Apparently that didn't work out. It didn't stay ignited. Somehow they couldn't find any evidence that she was inside the house. They brought cadaver dogs. They couldn't find her in there anywhere. She was literally never heard from again. They know for a fact that she wasn't in the house. When it was set on fire she was found nowhere on the property. She's just up and vanished. Like what i. Why don't know don't know her husband's stated that she was deeply religious person. She was responsible. I mean she wouldn't just abandon her kids but torch everything and and torch everything and just leave. Leave her car just up and gone. Yeah just never heard from again. There's people now. how odd is it. I'm just saying how is it that five years prior this woman goes missing vanished without a trace and then five years later in the same town another woman around the same age same height same build goes missing never to be heard from again and he has set fired to house to insurance money like he has a history of arson already. He has a history. So how are we not connected to a lot of people speculate but no one i mean. They couldn't they've never found any evidence they've never even have found the bodies so their bodies are still out there somewhere. Here's where shit gets real as if it weren't already jump ahead and there is a wonderful woman named lois marie pearson. Two thousand. One is the first time she meets jeffrey. Maxwell off for the love of god you've reached the end of our episode. We hate that things like this happen. Not only around the world but in our own backyards. It's because of this that we share these true crime stories with you. A real people with family and friends that lived and loved. Not unlike you so that you may stay ever vigilant. We hope that you will join us next time as we delve into this case. Further in part to on sirens do we have an alto. that's our outdraws matt.
10 Trivia Questions on Chicago
"It's thirteen questions on Chicago trivia with my friends MO and Brenda Martinez. From patriot. This is trivia with buds. Be and welcome to another episode of the trivia with buds podcast. I'm your host. Ryan buds. Thanks for checking out my show, if you like trivia, you're in the right place, and maybe you stumbled across this show on your travel to and from the big geek bowl in Las Vegas this past weekend. Shout out to my friend, Russ to wall and his trivia army that won the big first place there at the ball. I just recently even found out what the geek bowl was. So check it out just Google geek bowl, Las Vegas. You'll find a bunch of pictures, and and posts and all kinds of stuff about the event, and I'm definitely going to try and go next year. It's basically like this giant geeks who drink trivia tournament, and there's like thousands of dollars in prizes, and that goes to charity. So a lot of good stuff happening there and Russ free to wall who is a patriots scribe to this show and a pal of mine over on Facebook. Now, he won so congrats I'm gonna have him on the show soon to kind of talk about how. All went down and how the questions were. So if you like that kind of thing get ready for Russ also today, get ready for some Chicago trivia, I got ten questions for married. Couple Mohan Brenda Martinez who are patriot subscribers of this show and are just a ton of fun. They are very active over in the discord app chat. And if you donate a dollar more on patriot dot com slash trivial buds, you could join us over there. And all of our trivia banter. These two are tons of fun and brenda's big reader and mow is a big Chicago tour guide kind of guy. And he writes a lot of trivia questions for company in Chicago as well. So lots of good stuff in this one. It's a it's a long twenty minute episode a little bit longer than our episodes as of late. But I think you will enjoy it. We're going to jump to those ten questions with Brendan MO right now. Here we go. Sitting here on a phone call with my two pals in Chicago, where I understand it about thirteen degrees, which I feel pretty good about because it's probably like sixty here in California. I'm talking to Martinez and Brennan Martinez. What's up guys? Hey, thanks for being on the show. You guys have been big supporters of mind for a while. So I just wanted to thank you over the phone for joining on the patriot very early on. And it's very rare and very cool that both of you live in one household but subscribe separately to the patriots. Thank you so much. Waltz really cool. Very quiet now MO MO Uehara trivia host is well, right or you just write trivia for trivia who's just writing used to host. Now, I'm just a s two years. Just rining kind of hearts, go out and hose. Yeah. Man. I know all about it. What are your favorite kind of rounds to write like what's unique one you came up with recently that you had fun coming up with. Looking to sleep. But my favorites are the audio rounds. Yeah. Like that was like I would write actually around on Chicago bands on while back. Just like our artists where I'll play about fifteen seconds of of clip animate ethnic the artist song guys. Tears of got like metal covers of songs. I love that. And so when you're preparing that for the company, you work for the hosts that you work for are, you cutting all those tracks and make an audio files and all that stuff or you just give them the idea of it. And then they have to figure out all that. Are literally just check our point presentations and resent up in like a bunch of Mars. So. What we had in all of its clipped and everything picture cruise or set off ages happily play it. It helps them if they obviously read a little bit for look through it before that. So we're not going be blind Scheuer. That's a good way. Doing it. Very cool and Brenda are you a host or more of just a trivia connoisseur. I just really like show. Yeah. I definitely not much hosting. Did you know meet under any trivial circumstances? Funny when you say. Very trivia base. But. Yeah. Go into that. Right. There are in each. There was a Barak east Chicago nam on that. I was owning. And she was one over rental, and we kind of met there. This Osama generous drunk. That's the serve a lot of good relationships. I think. We'll stay. With them. We wish. Wow. That's amazing. That's awesome tonight. You got a family together. And you guys are raising a daughter named Annabelle. Who's also the name of my daughter spelled a little differently. But we have that in common. That's pretty cool. Right. And how old is your animal? Eight eight years old. Okay. So they're about four years apart. She my daughter will say the other day. I said she goes, what are you doing? I go I'm sending some stuff to my friends, and they go they have a daughter Nate man about and she goes another Annabel, I got a meter. We got we got to set that up. So that'll be cool. Quick side story about e Chicago that just popped in my head. I opened for a clown. When I did a lot of stand up in the mid west in his name was I don't know. I don't know grumpy the clown or frumpy the clown. He's like a real alcoholic drunk clown. I can't think of his name of top of my head. But it was at a a bar that you could smoke in east Chicago in probably two thousand seven and. It was pretty wild. What I'm trying to say is I wish I would've met my future wife there as well. That you can say that the clowns lane was homey, the clown. Oh, yeah. You gotta watch out. Because he don't play that guys. We're going to jump into some questions more requested this topic. He said what about some Chicago trivia since we're all kind of from Chicago. And I said, let's do it. So we are going to do ten questions on Chicago. And you guys are gonna battle in this. This'll be a good old fashioned battle of the spouses today, and we'll ask ten questions, and you're going to buzz in with Chicago related word. I thought this one would be fun being because of the giant metal beam in one part. Okay. Okay. So when you know, the answer, you gotta wait for the whole thing to be ready. You're going to buzz in with the word being whoever gets more right out of the ten will be crowned champion, and I will send you a little something extra in the rewards for March something Chicago related. That's what I'll find find something cool. There you go. All right. Any questions before we begin? Really? Here we go. This is question. Number one for Chicago trivia buzzed in with the words, being the world's Columbian exposition was a world's fair held in Chicago for may until October in what year. Ooh. That was very close. But I'm gonna say Brenda Brenda was a little louder. So I'm gonna say Brennan. Eighteen ninety three eighteen ninety three. Nice job that guy. What's his name h h Holmes? He was murdering all kinds of people. Yep. He's they're making a movie Hulu series with leader. Capri. Oh, did you see that? What ten years? Yeah. But I think actually I think I think who bought it. So it's Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio, and I think it's a ten episode series. So that'll be interesting. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I hear your big reader. What is the last? Good book you read. The man was last cool book you read. Oh, you on the Netflix series you from Netflix? I was like you read my book. I don't have a book. Not yet. I have this cool idea for a book you guys want to hear it. So it'd be like a trivia book. So each chapter would have a trivia quiz. But there'd be a story about something that happened to me in my life that then goes into trivia on a subject. So for example, like I just did a show at the LA Lakers that was kind of super random, and it was like under these very weird circumstances. So I was like, oh, I could tell that story in the book. And then at the end of the chapter there's like ten question quiz on the Lakers. So it gives you if you're trivia fan reason to play the trivia. But also like this interesting story that kind of goes with it. What are your thoughts on that? Getting odd cast with like originally too because you always stories lead into what you're. Yeah. Yeah. I wish I did that it's hard to do that every single day. And when I when I do able to do it now, I'm like man that was a pretty good one. But it's harder especially with time and stuff to always find a way to kind of tie it together. But I do need to try and do that more often. So yeah, there you go. All right. Good job brenda's up one point. Here's question number two. Which of these sitcoms did not take place in Chicago was at family matters Keenan in cal- Samantha who or Caroline in the city. Brenda. Setting. It was Carolina city. Nice job. It was that was a sitcom that took place in Manhattan. And it started Leah Thompson as cartoonist all the other three shows were Chicago-based, which I didn't realize I didn't realize Keenan Cal was Chicago until I looked it up. There. You know Cal. Up through. Carolina. Shitty. Does some it's like cartoonist in Manhattan. I could have just made that up right? Then. The girl from Howard, the duck moves to Manhattan. Here's number three. What celebrity couple had a baby named Chicago January eighteenth two thousand eighteen. I wanna say. Okay. Yep. Came in Konya nice job Kim and Kanye west or Kim Kardashian. And Kanye west either way, you got it nailed it. Are you a fan of either them? There you go. That's good. That's why we're friends. All right. Number four what Chicago landmark sits at six hundred East Grand in features on one hundred ninety six foot tall ride eight Brenda. His navy period. You know, the ride. Yes. But fair fairus wheel. Have you been on that? Anytime too many times I have a wife who's scared of ferris wheels. Which is a weird thing she doesn't mind heights, but she hates ferris wheels. I don't know why. 'cause it's actually on clothes accord. It was like a traditional. Oh, yeah. Maybe she would. That's a good point. I wonder if she would like the Vegas one, right? That's enclosed. There's a bar on one of them and stuff. That that'd be pretty sweet. All right. It is three to one Mon needs more points to catch up. Here's number five movie. The break-up takes place in Chicago who were the male and female leads of the film. Brenda. Oh god. What is a? Three seconds. Just be his unresisted phase on rested is the perfect word for this. All right. Mojo for the steel. Jennifer Aniston had it's nice job mo- comes in. And now it's two to three well done. All right. That was I think I was I think I tried to be an extra movie there were a lot of movies around two thousand five that I was an extra in dark Knight or not dark Knight, Batman, begins and. Stranger than fiction with will Ferrell. And I think the long shots which was with KiKi Palmer and ice cube. I think those were all movies that I was I was in or I tried to get in. I'm definitely in stranger things, you could see me for a second. Which is a great movie have you ever seen that movie? Stranger than fiction will Farrell. It's about a guy starts hearing, a narrator narrate his life like a book, you'd love it Brenda as reader. It's pretty cool. But I watched it when those there you go that's that is the curse of certain movies. That are good. You're like, I know this is probably good. But then you fall asleep. And it's kinda like you can't ever enjoy the rest of your life. I've done that plenty of times. Yes. Do. So at some point you can check out the show on called. Easy. Okay. And I don't know if there is on what I think it was two years ago going stuff like three or by the one of the first three episodes of that season. I I actually did a whole big with our work lying at the at the trawling company that we work for everything. And I ended up being an extra that along the couple's co workers, and my one of my coworkers ashes featured in that show following Kim Brown his life as comedian Amazon as a trolley running room, but not so what's his name? His name is not or just call them. That's so funny. 'cause I pretty sure I have a comedian friend named Brian Christopher who was a bartender on the show easy. If it's the same show is it about just like live like bars and living in Chicago like nightlife kind of things. Hookups the episode that is caused by. Info and funnily enough actually still getting residuals off of that. Amazing. Oh, and you didn't have lines. And you're still getting some some love. Oh, you did. But we don't ask questions writing plane tourists were the assing on talking at the US Open like okay since we had this were getting patients after like, oh my God. I've actually made it now. That's awesome. It's all about those residuals. If you get one line, I remember I opened for a comedian like twelve years ago who his name was Jaideep. I think and he was in barbershop one and he had like one line. He like comes into get a haircut or something. And he made I remember him telling me he's got fifteen thousand dollars to be in the movie, and then like every time the movie got sold to DVD or two TBS to air or like all the different things that happen to a movie he would get like half of what he originally got paid. So like he got like fifteen thousand and seven thousand five hundred thirty three hundred two thousand and it kept going down, but he made money on that one little line for like ten years. It's pretty cool. If anyone you think about that, you're like one line in a movie that people may or may not remember or might get cut out. But they still pay you for all that stuff. And it's like, then you think of like an actor being in one thing where they say a million lines. And then the, you know, like something like the Simpsons how many times the Simpsons airs. And if you're getting half of what you got paid for one episode. It's insane. It's crazy. And that's why people do it. Here. We got this is number six what Frank Sinatra song starts off with the line. Now, this could only happen to a guy like me. Brenda. I kind of Tom my kind of town. She's got four points to most to that is the Frank Sinatra song you guys Frank Sinatra fans like that's gonna couple of others. The with. I like love and marriage for married with children. That's fun which I didn't realize I didn't realize it was Frank Sinatra until like last year. I was playing it. And I was like, oh, yeah. How did I not realize his voice? Pretty cool can use it just like that big band. Kruger's been timing. It. Sure was sure was here's number seven. How many miles is driving Chicago to L A if you literally type that into Google maps the closest without going over. We'll get the point. So you can each guests. So driving. If you just put Chicago to LA, no specific place, just Chicago to Los Angeles in Google maps. What is the the mileage that comes up have Mogo? I. Or under or eight two thousand four hundred forty eight and Brenda I'm gonna gonna win one miles. One hundred and seventy eight two thousand one hundred seventy eight. Okay. So two thousand four hundred forty eight thousand one hundred seventy eight it was two thousand fourteen when I did it just a few minutes ago. So Brenda has one because you guys both went over. But she was a little closer. So yes. Justice pretty spot on bursting that are action two years least. Released this road trick. Out to earth zone portion of that way. We actually traveling along route six oh nice. We have a picture at the big where it was a mid point. Cafe I think it's like emperor thinks. Dick sign. LA one thousand small amounts this way thousand miles like state people that was. That's awesome. So, you know, based on this that would be like one thousand seven miles this way in one thousand seven miles way. That's cool. That's cool that you guys were so close with guessing because of that trip honestly thought it was like tenth and India the nine. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I'm sure you know, whatever I looked up. I didn't look into it too much. So I'm sure yours might be even a little bit more accurate than mine. But nice job. We're on question. Eight we got three left multi get all three of these. You will be tied. Here we go number eight, everyone knows the windy city. But Chicago is also known as the city of big blank. Let's say MO shoulders the shoulders. Yes refers to. Sorry. Do you know what that refers to? Actually, I don't think I do from what I found. It says Chicago was called hog butcher for the world because of its huge meat-processing industry that book the jungle examined in the early nineteen hundreds which is a great book. That's Brandi every that one I have not who the jungle. It's real good. Check that out the jungle I to read in college. So they called it. They called it the city of big shoulders or broad shoulders because of its importance to the nation in terms of just a meat packing. Yeah. I guess I guess like like, you know, like, they're standing with their shoulders out. Like, we do all this work with meat. I guess I don't know or unless they are literally talking about like, cutting the shoulders shoulders of meat from different animals, and that really sure it wasn't super clear, but that was number eight. Yes. She in the stockyards like our office located right in the heart stockyards, what was should not guards. Now, you make little poster hanging up, and you can claim that as your own you say, you you look at. All right. Here's number nine. We got two left to could tie his wife number nine what game sequel pre grand theft auto that players getting out of their car to explore and started off at storyline and the bar and Chicago's. Oh, jeez. And it's like excited of this. And it's. Any guesses? They're taking it over pre grant Dodd got to get out of your car to explore. It was the first game. I think of its kind to do that. We're to just the driver. It is correct driver to. That's what I was. Nice job four to five. He could actually Ty. I didn't think he's gonna pull it off who's great driver too. I remember my brother Scott renting that game over and over again and always always having late fees on it and. I just actually a couple hours ago sold my PlayStation four to a guy on Facebook marketplace because I only really play the switch now because I don't have that much time. And if I do I want something more casual and the PlayStation four, which is sitting there. So I sold it to this guy for two hundred twenty bucks. I feel pretty good about it. Pretty solid you'll Pearl upper yet a PS four like now, I don't think I think I got it with a TV package than I gave the TV to my father in law. And I think the whole package was like four fifty. So I don't feel like I lost too much money for having it for almost three years. So. Yeah. There you go. Exactly. All right. It's four to five will this end in Brenda win or tie between lovers number ten. What Chicago hot dog ingredient is also found in a Bloody Mary or Caesar cocktail. Only say say. For emperors. That would be incorrect. Brenda guest. Mary what Chicago hot dog ingredient is also found in a Bloody Mary or a Caesar cocktail, which are very similar. It'll here. It is not a pickle spirit with celery, salt, celery salt. Yeah. That's what I was looking for so Brenda is the winner by one point nice job brand. She she I wouldn't say dominated. But it was a pretty close battle the whole time. Nice job guys. You did very well. I mean, there's ten questions you only between the two of you only miss that last one some good jobs. Very cool. Anything you guys wanna plug before we take off? I know what you want. Yeah. There's I don't. Looking glenn. Be on Twitter and was the other thing, Instagram Snapchat. What kids do now? Audio. What's your what's your handle on there? Artsy? That's right. Mora cartel MOR. I see a RTL very cool. Any last questions? I think you said you had a couple of Chicago questions for me anything off the top of your head. Yeah. We were trying to figure some nobody can ask you. If you can let's do like three of those. I'll say if I'm going to say I can guarantee I can answer one out of three how about that. Okay. Okay. Fun. Okay. Simple. I spent a one it is the longest continuously running street in Chicago. Longest continuously running street in Chicago. That's a tough question. I actually have no idea. I have a lot of guesses. Okay. My I guess is Cicero. Not even close. Okay. More east. Okay. A little more east lake shore drive's. I'll get no. That's all. Might be knowing close to right between them depending over your city. Exactly. Polaski? Little close. All right. What was it western? Yes. That would make sense. Okay. I could if I had ten guesses definitely would've got it. All right. I'm zero for three. Let's see if I can get the second one. That's a good question. Brindamour she on this one on Chicago. The only public sculpture by this twentieth century artist. Not no sculptures the only sculpture by this twentieth century artist. Only sculpture. Rearms twentieth. Century artists. I'm going to say. Devon, Devon sour from casper. I don't really guess good. It's bro. One might stay on Mishel. God. Jim Belushi, John John Belushi. I figured that would clear of movie which clean into ocher. I got. No, I'm so I'm drawn a blank on this one. What do you got? Okay. L? The kid you slide down it. It is my parents never took me into the city. They were scared of it. So I don't even know what you're talking about. Okay. What is public have to do is blues? Brothers. Gotcha. Okay. That's a movie. I have not close watched. I've only seen it like in passing and on TV like on cable and stuff. But that is great question. And I feel very very salty even celery salty for not getting. All right. What's the third one? I got a nail this one. Think of good one to these are like hard negative. Yeah. Yeah. That is a really. So procreate Louis what Bill being a now resides at the site of where the great fire started. Ooh. I definitely have read this somewhere. What building is where the great Chicago fire started. Is it a skyscraper? Or like, a smaller thing. To the hands. But I began the question with appropriate. Okay. Five of the great Chicago. Okay. So something hot or fiery. Is it a chapel lay? Let's see something something appropriate Lee where the Chicago fire started no idea the Hancock building. So wait. That. It would be the fire academy fire academy. The Chicago fire academy is where the fire started. Well, that's that's what's there now virtually far, but at that site, they put all the fire captains, which is super appropriate things fire star there. Now, we train our firefighters. There is the perfect little piece of trivia to end this episode nice job mall and Brennan stumping me times three to. I dunno. Start your own trivia podcast. I guess you guys have to do it. Now. We don't want to take away from you. It's just a year. Thanks so much guys. That means the world, thanks for listening. And thanks for being part of this episode you too and thanks so much for your patronage and support over the years. I appreciate it. We enjoy listening to you. Cool. Thank you, check out the book. I sent you. Did you get your did? You get your book yet? I have. Objected every day wondering when it's arrive. I'll let you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys a little heads up. So the first book, I got was this like Pulp Fiction kind of crime story, which I like to read and had a cool cover, and I'm like this'll be a good one. So I bought the books, and I happen to read the first chapter before I sent it and it had one of the most explicit sex scenes. I've ever read anything. So I was like I cannot send this to people that I don't know super. So I returned the book, and I got a new book and the new book, it sounds more interesting than the other book, but what was happening on this page was so. Risk gay. I was like I can't I cannot be the guy who set this book to people. It was like it was like fifty shades of grey like very like dark, and I was like oh my God. Like, I showed it to my wife. I go. I can't send this. Boy. She goes, no, you need to return. Those. So I'll tell you. I'll I'll I'll send I'll send you the name of that book. If you wanna check it out if you're into that kind of thing just send us like screens. Yeah. We'll we'll see how it goes. But this new one should be good. So I can't wait to crack it open and get a little discussion going over on the dischord app chat. You guys are very active on their so thanks for always type stuff in and getting people chatrooms. All right, cool. Thanks, guys. This episode will go up tomorrow. And I'm looking forward to to have you on again, very soon. Thank you. All right. Take it easy guys. Boom there. It was ten questions for me in three bonus ones for Moen Brenda that completely stumped me. How did you do on those questions? Did you know those last three of you, did I think you're a real smarty pants because I had no idea from I guess you tell that even though I'm from Chicago. I'm very Chicago suburban when it comes to knowing anything about the city proper. But hey, maybe you are from the suburbs or the city as well. 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"Just a reminder. I am going to be on the get vocal APP every Thursday at seven pm central to talk all things. True Crime. It's a great way for you to interact with me and listeners of the show had to get vocal that's GATT V. O. K. L. DOT com or download the APP on the APP store. And I'll see you there. This Thursday explicit content is found in this episode so listener discretion is advised. Welcome back to the true crime. Fan Club gassed. I'm your host Laney on November night in Nineteen Ninety six a reclusive homeless Hispanic woman named Sophia. Torres was walking to a friend's home around ten o'clock at night. She took a shortcut through a dark park but this decision cost her her life with no leads and new reason anyone would have to kill the shy woman would her killer be found. Okay on the show. So via Torres was born in Mexico in nineteen sixty one at age. Twenty three in one thousand nine hundred four. She left Mexico and went to Phoenix Arizona where she had a brother living while in Phoenix. Sophia developed a long lasting romantic relationship but sadly in Nineteen ninety-four. This relationship ended because of this Sophia left Phoenix and went to Santa Maria California. She had three sisters who lived in Santa Maria. So perhaps her brother thought this would do or some good however in nineteen ninety. Five Sophia returned to Phoenix. Only to discover her longtime boyfriend. Had Been Shot and killed. Once again she returned to Santa Maria heartbroken. His death had a profound effect on her before he died. Sophea had been described as outgoing and a hard worker after his violent death so via became reclusive and withdrawn. This was made even worse because Afia almost spoke no English when she returned to Santa Maria. Sophia went to work as a bartender at the trace. Amigos bar but was let go after two weeks. Because she was too meek. She never drink and after she was fired. She never returned to the bar to socialize. Safiya quickly became homeless in Santa Maria and often took advantage of the services in the area for homeless people. One of those services was the Good Samaritan shelter where Gina Omega worked Gena New Sophia as well as anyone else did which is to say not very well at all. Gene described her as a very nice lady very religious. Gina said Sophia also carried herself as a much. Older woman would seeming to be fifty years of age much older than her actual thirty five years. Gena new Sofia attended services at Saint John Neumann Church and believed that Sophia had left the church and was walking through the park on the night of November. Fifteenth Nineteen ninety-six. Sophia often lived with other homeless people at the seventeen hundred block. Right of North Allison. St which was in the opposite direction from the church although police could not confirm this theory commander. David Stern of the Santamaria Police Department said Sophia did not fit the normal pattern of a murder victim although he also agreed that murder scenarios were not typical. Commanders turned explained. Most murders were committed as a result of gang violence or domestic abuse to this end. Investigators believe so via was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Further testing revealed Sophia was sexually assaulted including vaginal rape and sodomy. She was then murdered and left the park until an anonymous nine. One one call came into the Santa Maria Police. Department a November Fifteenth Nineteen ninety-six an unidentified male contacted nine one one at eleven zero seven PM. The caller was believed to be a Latino male. He alerted the nine one. One operator to a fight occurring in Oakley Park close to the baseball field. He stated there were too heavy set. Black women who were attacking another woman with a baseball bat. The call came from a shopping center south of the park. The nine one one operator asked why he was calling so far away from the scene but the caller hung up when listening to the recording later they heard the color talk to someone named Christie. They fear is he was picking up a wife or girlfriend at the shopping center. Sofia Spurs was found in the backyard of a house at the corner of western and Gunnar streets which bordered the park this would play a pivotal role in the charges. Later brought against the suspect as this discovery made the murder look to be a robbery and assault just moments after the nine one. One call was received at eleven o nine PM officer Luiz meal with the Santa Maria Police Department arrived at the darkened Park Officer. Moody all had to use his headlights to even see the park. He quickly spotted a female lying on the ground near the snack bar. Fresh blood was at the scene on the victim and the ground officer. Moody contacted dispatch for an ambulance. Then felt for the females polls. He did not find one. The grass was wet which revealed fresh bicycle tracks leading from the snack. Bar to the street. Blood splatter was found in various locations at the park along with some personal items believed to be from the victims purse. A fingernail file toothbrush and pencil were found at the bleachers closest to third base the presence of blood splatter in so many locations indicated. Sophia was attacked Multiple Times as she tried to flee her attacker. There were long strands of dark hair on the bleachers and blood splatter on the wall of the snack bar blood splatter was found on the bleachers closest to first base and also under the bleachers. The blood under the bleachers seemed as if Sophia had stood still her body was found on concrete lying face up with her long dress bunched up over her knees. In addition to the blood pulled around Sofia. In this location there was another pool of blood a few feet away indicating she had also been there for a short while. There was a bloody palm print by the second pool of blood. Sofia's injuries were consistent with trauma from a smooth blunt. Cylindrical object such as a baseball bat. She had defensive wounds on her right hand as if she'd been trying to fight off her attacker. Her nose was broken. So badly bone fragments. Were protruding through her skin. Sophia also had multiple blunt force trauma to her head causing her brain to swell and flatten out. She had a deep stab wound on the right side of her face. So I did not have the physical appearance of being raped but the autopsy revealed semen in her vagina and on her clothing. Police just needed someone to match the semen to and do the greed and lust of the murderer. They would soon be able to match it on November third two weeks before her murder a sixteen year old female identified in court records as Maria was on her way to work at the mall walking. She took her usual shortcut through an alley but this time she was grabbed from behind she immediately felt a knife against her throat and tried to get away but she was grabbed even tighter then. The assailant grabbed her hair and pulled her backwards in the alley. Her assailant began undressing her and Maria asked what he wanted. He replied. I want you. I want to mark your beautiful face. Maria thought he wanted to rape her. She smelled snickers candy on his breath before he could do anything else. A young man walked into the alley and yelled at him. The assailant pushed Maria but then punched her in the face. The Young Man Francisco Javier. Lopez had been in his truck in spotted Maria struggling with her attacker. At first he thought it was a couple having a disagreement but then Maria made eye contact with him and he realized she was in trouble. He set off the alarm on his truck and went towards the pair in the alley yelling at the man he saw Maria get punched in the face and then the assailant ran off. Francisco ran to help. The young woman called nine one one. It was only later that Maria realized her pager was missing. Maria soon picked a suspect out of a photo lineup. Saying she was one hundred percent certain it was her attacker. This man was Tommy Jesse Martinez on December Second Nineteen Ninety six two weeks after the murder of Sofia Torres. A young woman identified as Laura was getting off of work at her job in the mall as she walked through the mall's parking deck to get to our truck. She noticed a young male standing against the wall. Once she was inside the truck she realized the mail was running after her. So Laura locked the truck just as he reached it he tried the handle then looks surprised that it was locked so he recovered and pointed to his wrist. As if to say what time is it. She told him she didn't know. And the young male ran off when she arrived home. She told her husband about the incident and he called the police. She picked a suspect out of a photographic lineup. Just a few days later Laura also picked a photo of Tommy Martinez with absolute certainty on December fourth. Nineteen ninety-six around nine PM. A young woman identified as Sabrina was also getting off of work at the mall. She called her mother to come get her and then sat outside on a bench. Waiting a young man walked over and sat down then put a knife in her side in order not to move or say anything and he wouldn't have to stop her. He tried to force her off the bench and leave with him but Sabrina refused. He suddenly told her. Get your hand off my knife and Sabrina Villa. She had grabbed the handle. The two stood struggling over the knife. Finally he said he would go if she would just give him back the knife but they continue to struggle. Sabrina began to scream and he finally let go of the knife and walked away but he turned back to smirk at Sabrina. She told him he wouldn't get away with it and then she carefully watched him walk away trying to memorize details to tell the police she ran to a restaurant that was closed for the evening and banged on the door but the woman refused to let her in although she called nine one one for her. The operator convinced the woman to allow Sabrina to enter so they could get details of what the suspect look like while on the phone with Sabrina. The nine one one operator released information about the suspect over the Radio Officer Jeff. Lopez responded and drove to the mall looking for Hispanic male wearing a black hoodie officer. Lopez quickly saw a male matching that description riding a bike down in nearby St. The suspect made eye contact with the officer and began peddling faster officer Lopez could not reach the suspect in his car so he called in his location and it was just a matter of minutes before the suspect was taken into custody by other Santamaria police officers when Lopez asked him where he was going. The suspect lied about it. He was escorted his brains location and she identified him without a doubt or second. Guess the suspect was Tommy Martinez. While in custody he heard one of the officers radio that he had the item used in his custody. And Tommy asked. Did you find my knife? The officer asked who said anything about a knife the next day investigators began to believe they had their suspect and Sophia Torres as murder. The investigators working Sophia's murder played the nine one. One called Tommy's probation officer the probation officer. Positively identified Tommy Martinez. His voice the investigators then went in and talked to Tommy for a few minutes and then left the interview room to compare his voice to the voice on the nine. One one tape convinced. This was their suspect. They went back to the interview room to question him about the nine one one call. He denied he called nine one one but when he realized his probation officer knew it was his voice. He said he had gone to the park to meet Sofia to buy some crank from her. He said before he could. He saw Sophia being chased by two black women and beaten by them. He did not go into the park but kept walking and went home however he developed a conscience and went to a payphone to call nine one one in case she needed assistance he explained he did not identify himself on the nine one one call because he was high. He said she was being chased onto the baseball diamond. But investigators asked why he said she was near the Snack Bar. He hesitated before answering and then replied. He just wanted someone to get there fast to help her. The detectives explained to Tommy. That so feel was not a drug user and was a homeless person who would not be able to deal in methamphetamines. Tommy said he had met her earlier in the night at the Trade Amigos Bar. Detectives pointed out the inconsistencies to which Tommy agreed so they told him to think about it and ended the interview on December fifth. They executed a search warrant at his house looking clothing. That may have been worn during the murder including the white t shirt white pants and white cap. He said he had been wearing the night of Sofia's murder. They found nothing that matched the description. He gave the Knicks. Search warrant was to obtain swabs from Tommy on the ride to the hospital. The detectives questioned him again about the night so feel was murdered. He changed his story somewhat and added details to the beating of Sofia by the two chunky. Black women he said one was hitting her with her fist and the other was holding a baseball bat. Detectives argued with him that he could not have seen Sophia in the darkened park. They also told him they had matched. The knife used to attack Sabrina with knives found at his home. They had gone to the trace. Amigos Bar and talk to workers there who said Sophia had not been there because she did not hang out there the next day. Tommy continue to deny involvement in Sofia's murder but finally admitted he attacked Maria and Sabrina but just to rob them not to rape them. He denied any involvement with the incident with flora further investigation into the night of Sofia's murderer included astronomer David Kerry who said the moon sat that night at nine thirty pm before Sophia died. Therefore there would not have been enough light to witness the events as Tommy described them. Tommy's younger brother. Morio said Tommy had come home with the Pager sometime in November nineteen ninety six. The Pager kept going off so Mario finally called the number and a girl who said it was her pager. Mario asked for the number then told the girl she had dialed the wrong number and hung up. According to Maria she called her pager to see if anyone would return the call. A young man did said it was the wrong number and hung up on her. Maria had the pager disconnected the next day November fourth. Nineteen ninety-six tell me. Martinez had a prior criminal history when he was fourteen on April. Twenty four thousand nine hundred ninety two. He robbed the cashier of an ice cream shop. At Lisa Anaya was working at the Delicias Mahyco ice cream shop when the defendant came in demanding money from her the phone kept ringing while she was trying to empty the cash register. So Tommy kept hanging the phone up. After he had the money and was leaving he told a leash She was pretty just a few days later. He and another youth walked past the shop and Alicia told her boss that he was the one who had robbed her. The boss rain outside but was only able to grab his a short while later. Police took Alicia to a residence where she identify Tony Martinez as the robber. He denied guilt but then admitted he did it for a friend who needed the money. Barely a year later. He was held in the investigation of a burglary at a bread store. He again denied guilt but an officer saw he had a sagging pants pocket and found a dagger in there on February. Twenty third in one thousand nine hundred four when he was sixteen. Tommy and a friend attempted to Rob Francisco Chavez at knifepoint while Francisco was working at Biz. Liquors Francisco pushed the silent alarm minutes later. The phone rang Francisco till the caller he was being robbed and Tommy and his friend ran off when they were detained by officers later. They did not find a knife on Tommy and Tommy side. It was all a joke. On April second. Nine hundred ninety six at the age of eighteen Tommy Martinez was involved in an attack and home invasion on a sixteen year old willy. Alejandra was drinking beer with friends across the street from his own home. A man approached Willy and began attacking him claiming Willie had attacked his cousin. The man yelled at his friends to bring a gun and Willie ran off into his house locking the door. He told his mother. Safina to call the police. Tommy stood at the door and told whole Safina to hand over. Willie Tommy and his friends kicked the door open and when hosting refused to hand over Willie Tommy through a flower pot at her is friends through other flowerpots through the front windows. And Tommy also through a beer can. Safina's husband grabbed a hammer and chase the gang off while his neighbor. Gabriel Resendiz grabbed a baseball bat and also gave Chase Tommy rounded on Gabriel with a broomstick and hit. Gabriel's trunk with it. The police arrived and the gang ran off but they overtook Tommy. He denied that he had done anything. Tommy was charged with assault with a deadly weapon resisting arrest burglary and child endangerment and held on a twenty thousand dollar bond. One of Willy's neighbors a sixty nine year. Old woman was injured when a flowerpot had her leg and a child was showered with glass when the gang began breaking windows. I'm going to pause case right here. So you can hear a word from our sponsors Tony Martinez. His trial began may fourth nineteen ninety eight with jury selection pool of three hundred potential. Jurors were questioned. I E if there was a reason they could not serve judge. Rodney Melville Santamaria Superior Court judge excused approximately one hundred and fifty of these potential jurors for various reasons such as health concerns if they were self employed or if they had firm vacation plans eventually after a week the woman for man jury was selected. The actual trial began on May nineteenth and concluded on. May Twenty ninth after the jury found Tommy Martinez guilty of murder. Murdering connection with rape and robbery kidnapping robbery assault and attempted rape as a jury. Forewoman read the verdicts Tommy's mother and other family members began weeping. The four woman's voice caught a bed but she took a breath and carried on the sentencing stage was next and district attorney. Tom sneddon requested the death penalty during the penalty phase. The defense provided testimony from several expert. Witnesses as well as from Tommy Martinez Family Tommy's youngest brother Angel. Ten years old at the time of the trial testified that he idolized his big brother and read a letter. Tommy had written him while in County jail. The letter said Angel had a good pitching arm and he could be the best pitcher in the west side little league. Tommy ended the letter by saying I miss. You take care of yourself. A medical expert also testified in the penalty phase. Dr Joseph Wu a medical imaging expert at the University of California. Irvine's medical school stated that a scan of Tommy's brain showed significant frontal lobe abnormalities and the area that controls aggressive tendencies and impulsiveness. Tommy had helped clue as a teenager which could have caused disorders such as aggressive tendencies and violent behavior. Several relatives testified in this portion about the troubled home life. Tommy had as a young child his mother and father met while in their teens and his mother became pregnant with him at sixteen. She was forced to marry his father before. Tommy turned a year old. His Father Tommy Senior was imprisoned for rape and thus began the cycle of Tommy senior being largely absent from the family. When Tommy was ten his father began to have an affair with a neighbor. He left Tommy's mother who was pregnant with the couple's fourth child in nineteen eighty seven. Tommy lost his grandmother but also gained brother. Angel after this Tommy began to spend time with his uncle Rick Martinez and even went to church with him. However at age twelve Tommy began to get in trouble. He and his younger brother. Isaac just a year younger. We're con stealing cassettes from a store although they were not prosecuted after this Tommy started skipping school but his mother did nothing in fact. She often picked him up from school when she was feeling depressed. She caught Tommy sniffing glue in his bedroom and admonished him saying it would ruin his brain shortly after. Tommy began using other drugs. Such as marijuana alcohol and methamphetamines. During Eighth Grade Tommy was expelled and dropped out of school but had to return after he robbed the Ice Cream shop and was placed on probation. Tommy senior had returned briefly but was imprisoned once again for fighting and drunk driving. Tommy senior wrote his son and admonished him to stay away from drugs and encouraged him to leave Santa Maria because of the gangs however Tommy State in trouble and after robbing the liquor store. Listen to Los Padeas. Those boys camp where his father had been sent as a teenager. Tommy escaped the camp and was sent to northern California to live with his uncle while there. He began a relationship with his step cousin resulting in his uncle turning him into the authorities. By now Tommy's younger brother Isaac had also been sent to the camp. Both boys left the camp together and stayed with their father in seamy valley for less than a day before Tommy senior set out to take them back home to their mother on the way though Tommy senior was stopped and arrested for drunk driving and was sent back to prison for four years. Tommy was very close with his youngest brother. Angel acting more like a father figure to the boy teaching him how to ride a bike and play baseball and also picking him up from school. Other relatives testified that Tommy was also a positive influence on them during testing for the trial. Tommy was determined to have an average. Iq Dr Peter Russell expert witness for the state testified that Tommy had a verbal ability in the forty fifth percentile but his non verbal ability was in the ninetieth percentile. Dr Russell believed this could have been an issue with the English language itself. Doctor Russell also believe Tommy had neurological issues. He was right hand dominant but Tommy performs some tasks better with his left hand after listening to witnesses and victim impact statements. The jury decided on the death penalty for Tommy as the sentence was being read. His family yelled out murderers at the jury his grandfather yelled your murderers all of you bailiffs escorted about nine members of the Martinez. Family out of the courtroom Tommy's grandfather was the first to go Tommy. Martinez was admitted into San Quentin on September. Twenty Ninth Nine Hundred Ninety Eight. He still on death row his brother. Isaac was convicted of murdering his wife. Maria his seuss Martinez in two thousand thirteen. After Isaac shot his estranged wife twice in the left breast he fled California for Arizona with his father. Tommy Senior Isaac was later caught and taken back to California. When he was found guilty of murder he was sentenced to twenty five years to life but because of a prior conviction that double to fifty years he was also charged on a weapons violation which added another twenty five years he was admitted until RJ Donovan Correctional Facility on April. Twelve two thousand thirteen. He is eligible for parole in February. Twenty thirty nine the two women. Tummy attack testified in court during the victim. Impact statement portion of sentencing. Maria said she had suffered after the attack because she became afraid of other men. She said she could no longer eat. A snickers bar after the attack. Sabrina stated she was also scared around men after the attack and panicked one night at work. A man wearing gloves asked her to help him find some jeans for his girlfriend. Sofia Torres was described by Gino. Hedda as a woman who just wanted to help others. Gina said she loved helping other people especially people who had kids she thought. Maybe Sophia had lost a child or worked with children in the past. Gina said Sophia. Wouldn't do anything to upset anyone and would just walk away if she got upset. Sofia's family spoke at Tommy Junior sentencing. Her older sister Victoria Francisco said that Sofia's murderer was like a dream and she still had a hard time realizing she was dead. She hurt thinking of all that. Soviet suffered her brother Gil Burto said when he went to her funeral he opened the casket and didn't even recognize her face. Her Father Angel Torres also spoke and said he felt her death very deeply and that his family had never suffered anything like this before. All people agreed. That Sophia was not a bad person and never harmed anyone. Okay Fan club memberships as I conclude this episode. My one question to you is. How will you sleep tonight? Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed this episode. Please be sure to rate subscribe and positively reviewed the show on Apple podcasts. More your podcast player of choice. It really does help us out. You can find us on most social media platforms twitter at T- CFC pod facebook dot com slash t CFC podcast. You can also find us on Instagram at true crime. Fan Club pod and of course our website is true crime fan club dot com if have an episode request citizen. Email T. CFC pod at Jamal Dot Com. 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"They find something. All right. Oh, the to another episode of comedic pursuits podcasts. I'm your host paint joined today by the incredible Olivia Martinez. Yeah. Thanks for being on the show. Thanks for having me super excited. I just bring some that. Blueberry bloopers? Okay. Yep. So let's start all the way to beginning. What was like your first introduction to comedy drawing up tech comedy on I have a very funny dad, who's a giant jokester. So we were always sort of doing bits at my house, I think without even recognizing they were bits. You know. And then later on when I met people who did improv as like, oh, this is what my dad does all the time, but I also was a really big TV finger up ten minutes away from Disneyland. Oh, while so I love Disneyland. I loved movies. Yeah. On. And so I was always watching just different comedies. It was something I was really into always growing up arm. I never really thought about doing it until much later but it was something that I spent a lot of time just soak in. Do you have a big family? I have a really big extended family. I only have two brothers. So it's like. It's a lively family family's very chaotic loud. I'm like the more uptight one in my family because they're just like they're just wild all the time. And then my extended families really big to both my parents come from families with, like four to six kids. So Christmases are huge stuff like that. And everyone also is really funny. So it's definitely kind of, like, you know, when you get a lotta improvisers together, and they're all vying to get in and everyone has a funny joke in the last one. That's how are you? Did you do any like any like theater or performance stuff in, like elementary middle high school not really? Although I was a speech into bacon. Okay. All through high school. And that I guess, isn't performance but it is so much like in matters. What kind of voice you use? How you deliver lines. We were all very ridiculous about it. But it did give me again, understanding of, like how you come across through your body shirt shirt, like the public speaking skills. Coordinates. Yeah. Yeah. Anything like creatively through those years. College. Actually, there's like views writing, or I was a really big nerd, so I was really into writing, but it was more like creative essays and things like that. But yet definitely not an artist. Not a musician. I played a little guitar as a kid. Blink one eighty two songs I had a face. But that was about it. I, I love Lincoln eighty-two and listening to, like there was like their first live album that they released the Tom market and travel show. Yeah. I had that, that, that I love that element. I still listen to it today. It's amazing album, but like they were amazing band in, like very funny, but they were so good at, like, riffing just really, like hilarious, inbetween. Yeah. Their sats and just during our sides. Like those guys were like always on. Especially market. Tom Travis is in the back incredibly incredibly, gifted musically. Listen to it so young, too, because I have younger parents also. So they would have the CDs and I would find them and listen to him. And I remember them being like you can listen to this stuff. But don't repeat it. I used to think they were Larry us for you into you say you watch TV shows and stuff were you like into stand up comedy or like SNL or a sketch shows growing? Yeah. We watched us not like religiously. Okay. It was like every every Saturday night, we would all sit and watch my brothers and I would watch three runs. Okay. And we were obsessed with welfare all from us from close by. Oh, yeah. So we have seen, like every welfare movie we own all of his best on. We would always do like welfare all skits. We would reenact them in the living room and stuff like the, and my brother, when we were like twelve years old. Awesome. And we were really big Simpsons fans too. So I saved up like all my allowance to buy the box sets of the Simpsons DVD's scwhab twenty seasons worth. I don't know where they are now. But we have watched like every single Simpson's episode for years. Yeah, this crazy actually forgot about that. And then and then go off to college. Would you college before I went to college for political communication? Okay. That's the debate kid. Gotcha. Still. Yeah. Where'd you go to college to GW Washington? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then that moves you over to DC. I've been here since. Yeah. Have you did you do like any anything comedy wise, in college, kind of so college was like my first real experience. With improv? Okay. I wrote a little bit for GW TV. They did a sitcom called gender-neutral. Oh, he's won a student. Emmy very proud. I don't think it means I. We were writing like this, w TV sitcom. I had like a few lines ever make it in the show. But it was really cool to get experience in a writer trim, but there is this the writer the head writer, the show runner was just like so cool and so funny, and she would always talk about her comedy group and over the course of my freshman year as I thought she was, so close like, oh, I'm gonna try out for this comedy group and I slowly met some other friends on the group and I just thought they all were like the coolest funniest people. So, of course, I tried to out and I did not make it and my best friend at the time made it on the group. And so it felt brutal. Yeah, it felt like so hard. I remember feeling so real and being like I'm not cut out for this, this blows like a stop, right? Yeah, exactly. I never tried out again or anything, but those for an impromptu, you. Yeah. Improv team to ws team recess infant Brooklyn's, but vicious is like, I think the one that's been around the long. Guest. They do sketch two. But my best friend was now on the team. I stayed in touch with all those people, I thought were really cool. I was like a hard core groupie for this in Brown Thika on and it wasn't that weird because like I said my best friend was on it. I would go to all the shows like I made friends with all the people on the team, but then all the other like regulars and it was cool because at parties and stuff like that we would just play improv games. Oh, nice. So it's weird 'cause I never liked technically took a class before where or when to jam or anything, but it felt like I had been doing improv for like a decent amount of time. Yeah. On Sunday and seeing a lot shows everything. Yeah. And so now like, sometimes even in class or in practice, coach will teach an exercise. And I'm like, oh, I learned is at a party like five, you know, crazy. These people were also pretty nerdy about improv that, like we're just college kids hanging around playing pro games in an apartment. It's awesome. Yeah. But it all worked out because, like now I'm still super close to them. They all come to the shows the ones that I'd be at all. Everything works out. You know, did you did you go through the curriculum? It would. Yeah. Yeah. After the full curriculum. How did you get turned onto onto wit yet on? So then when I graduated, I graduated twenty fifteen of few years ago, I like missed being around all the improvisers, I miss, like my group of friends, but I mostly miss just like that energy. You know, I missed like having people I could banter with I miss people who were like, in the same TV shows, I was shot about things in the same way. So I was like, I'm just gonna take an improv class. Maybe I'll meet some people who are cool. Maybe everyone who doesn't promise cool, you know. So I took the glass and I've found love, I have found people that were cool. I was super tight with the people. I came up through the curriculum with. I'm Caroline Chen. Not yet. Awesome. She was a really fun teacher. Very cool. Yeah. I think she was my TA actually level one with Dan Brown. That's awesome. Yeah. Yes. She's hilarious. Who was year level to teacher this quiz. Yeah. Margaret was my level too. Nice very fun to, to really. There you go. Jason Wolters was the TA. Number my, maybe we didn't have won, but Margaret was awesome Margaret super cool. And it's cool because now I see, like Margaret and Carolina around and I'm like, oh, we're all playing this is awesome. And what 'bout level three? Three ahead may see nice yet. Awesome. The amazing may see of Macy was just so fun. I think level three to where it really hit. My stride we I made a lot of friends in my level to. And so we would like jam on the weekends and stuff. And then a few of us took level three together and a lot of us are still super tight to this day. I feel like I got super lucky is just like practice group. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Now, we don't play together as much Casado's around herald, some of us like more sprout other jobs or got married and stuff. Sure don't do improv. But we like hang out. I've been a few of their weddings like yeah. This also, did you form like indie team during this time? Yeah, that's where my mom came out of got my fist team from two years ago. Brady Peters, Joey brims. Nice we disliked. We actually we like emailed are level three class like, hey, who wants to do this does anyone know what it is? And we like met at lose, and whoever showed up, we did it like kickball style like this. I'm going to pick this person you picked this person to sell split jab at a split up teams as that's who I ended up with. That's all I got lucky. What both those guys I took my herald class with Brady really, then I guess both to do a fifteen with them, but he had to pull out last night. Went is like engagement and marriage was kind of going down. Yeah. Unfortunately, but he is a circle. Yes. Heart. Hard to take. Very good. What about level for? I can't remember an aunt had Subodh for level five oh, Katie rush. Yeah. Yeah, I have a Katie. I really liked Katie style to two all female teachers. Yes. Did did you choose? Teachers are you asking me, you know, just curious yet? That's something I would do. But I think Lord chosen for the day of the week. And I actually like, again being nerdy, like read their bios, and I was like, who sounds cool or sounds like they would be fun to spend a day week with I kind of picked for that. Okay. Now. Yeah. And who save for? Sobotin. Nice. That's great. And so this like fifteen was that just for fister. Did you guys do was in my white mom, my white mom yoga? Did you guys do like shows outside of that to afterwards? Yeah, we've done a few cents. We've kind of lost steam, we played a DCM this past year. A lot of fun school kind of bombed. But if I like bonding, I think, again, the Bob and it was fun to bomb with them. And luckily, part of the reason we bombed his there was like maybe five people in audience. It was like five PM in what's the one text isn't like one that's called Johnson or something like that TNC Johnson? It's like literally looked like a high school like Jim cut in half. And then there's like five people in the stands and is really hot because it's the middle of the summer in New York you. So we were like sweaty we come out there and there's five people there and you just ticked. But there's a lot fun. Yes. Perform, right. Knows how it's going to be now lay and everything. So that's time. So all that was awesome. I'm really gonna have experienced them. It was cool to like start from level two in the real like, oh, cool. Now, we're, we're having fun yet. All it, crushing it in different areas. It's really cool to see him to see him shine. Yeah. Brianna any other teams prior to graduating program. Yeah. So I actually took like a year off of the curriculum. Okay. I took a year between levels foreign five. I want to say okay, that's not right. I wasn't sold on doing herald is funny because now on TV. But I wasn't sure I wanted to do. And so I was having fun with my India teams, I felt like I was lucky to begin stage time with them. So I just did the Indy route for like a solid year. That's. What other teams were? I was I had a good run with conversion therapy on a team Nick Martinez put together, that's all clear players. They're very fun, varies. Amy. Sometimes we would do scenes based on being queer. Sometimes we wouldn't I kind of like anything went, you know. They're all awesome people, too. So we did like a show a month for a while. Maybe even a little more cool. That's awesome. Yeah. I really liked conversion therapy, kind of just died out like indie teams do you know, and then I started with lat next of America that Nick also put together snick as Lilly like my stage. Yeah. I want do a position. That's just people on teams with Nick. Yeah, great. Yeah. Because there's a lot of. But why next is just all that next players from around the scene, we've been around for a while now. So I played a lot with them. And now we're, we're definitely getting a lotta shows into if like we're hitting our group and then was mar Martinez was up Fisk group yard was the another fist group. Yeah. Martinez was a fist group last year's fist grow. I think it was after next show. Maybe I saw Neil and Christina of Goodison do their trio with. I think it was our trio, it might have been good. But they did just with Murph, they did their trio with Murph on, and they just like blew my mind, it was like the funniest improv I've ever seen. It was so tight, I had like tears in my eyes. Awesome. And I saw them and I was like, I wanna be their best friends, but also I wanna like performance them, and then Nick, Nick somehow maneuvered it again, Nick does wonders, but he like, got convinced them to do a fifteen with us, even though they were deadly, much better and the rest of history, the sweet. And then after like your year off, you come back trial for or no. You take care, then audition for Harold like right after. Yeah. I went then district through I kinda was feeling like in the Indy circuit is amazing because you can get a lot of stage time in. You can play all kinds of people. It's still so fun. I still do a bunch indie shows but I was feeling like I wanted something a little bit more regular like I wanted to get regular coaching in. I was wondering what it was like to be on a team where everyone shows up all the time, you know, classic. Indie struggles? So I felt like it was time for herald. So I tried out a little bit after my class ended and I was lucky enough to get in on out sick shit. That's awesome. You got on like I do. Yeah. Yeah. Fresh out, such a fun on dishes. I was like, I usually those, I think that was my, my second one, but I guess the the audition before that. And like other auditions I had been like I would always think that people were really good really supportive, or like in my eyes, I was like that presented so well. And every time I'd say they did really well like all that, you, you have to gotten that they wouldn't get it. Well, and so, I, I was I sent the message you and then right after I was like I shouldn't have said anything just cursed. But you gotta undergone hopefully. Hopefully. Yes. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I was blown away because I think I had seen you on like teams here and there, but yeah, that was just a great addition is really fun. I actually caught our dish in was kind of mellow. You know, I left being like men blew that because it was so low energy. Yeah. But I remember really having fun playing with you and being like I hope he gets on. And I hope we're on TV and it works out because now we are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was super pumps that I got put on out sick with you. And it's been awesome. And it was who is the teacher before. Nick, when you first joined joined it, like what I started. Right. I was one cycle by. Oh, really? Okay. Okay. Climb. So few people better on it now have, I think once I go ahead of me. Maybe two. Okay. Yeah. But Virginia was the coach for Jinya lions through for those first few cycles. Cool. That's awesome side for Jinya for, like half a cycle, I wanna say, okay? Yeah. Awesome. And then in the Nick since till out. Yes, can creates China think these any other like limited projects. Just the agenda. I did that last year. It was a blast. It was really fun. Because I don't know if you could quite call improv, you know, 'cause I told a story I've told many times before. So I wish I push myself to tell a different one, but it was just so perfect the card. I got was Sunday. Bloody sunday. And I got my first period at vacation bible camp. So I was like, okay, I have to tell this story. That's a good one. I tried and true. So, so fun to, like, just television people that story. But more. So I was just so impressed by, like, people get the most random cards and have just the most Saiful experiences or really funny anecdotes total it, it was a wild time and then afterwards, you're like instantly bonded with all the people in the show. You know, you have this common thing. Really? Oh, yeah. We did that we told about her first period of the first time we shaved our legs altogether. You know, I was at that show. Oh, yeah. I think that was like, I think I might have auditioned with you before, then or around the so I was like I was more attuned to you. And then see yes, seeing story during that show's great off the whole show is incredible. Excited for it again this year. Yeah. Sweet. I didn't try out because I was like, I feel like I had such a good experience. I kinda don't wanna like this. I know. I know like all even at that. I'll always have that memory. So I'm super excited to see this year and see what they do. That's great. Awesome. Let's see. So that gets us up today and let's leave anything out. I don't think there's anything else. Yeah. The only other thing I'll say about the herald, audition is I was tuber nervous going in. But Ginny Seger who's on out sick with us actually did like a workshop for people of color before. Cool. I think she's doing another one again. And that was so helpful because we just like ran through what the audition was. So I felt like I was a little more prepared going in. And she answered a lot of questions Reeves was there to kind of gave us his experience the coach and all of us who showed about the workshop got into the program. Does a good track record from her. It's awesome. This great results that they do. I know most people are I know multiple coaches to that, like around that time. Yeah. Toe for Ryan Brookshire much people. And I did want Toepfer before the one. I got. Yeah. And it was it was I was very nervous because the last time I was going to be able to laugh. And I went in and he's great. And we were running scenes and I was like bombing. See, I don't know if I just purge myself out of this. But, but yeah, I, I was so very thankful for that news. Cool to like hit him up after it'd be like a gut awesome. Those are always great. Do you have any like pre? Rituals before you go into additions. No. This is something I'm bad. I actually have to get better at it. I especially feel this during this because I am someone who gets like so nervous or I don't get nervous now before, like an indie show is bad. I'll I get a little just like gase. You know, like moderate nurse like a healthy monitors. Those ficials are always like packed. Yeah. The stakes are just so much higher totally. And so, especially during fist. I'll be nervous like all day long. So I really need to get better at finding ways to manage that. But as soon as I'm on stage. I know it goes away like instantly. Yeah. Yes. Like a few things. I like if I'm coming from work. I always try to actually walk here to get some of the nurse out on I'm trying to find a better playlist. If anyone has good recommendations, that's as good as I've got, you know, it's great. I try and go for a run elsewhere. If I can I can fit. Yeah. If I can't is good because I feel like it will exhaust me, it gives me, energy predict sauce, like my nerves at the weird usually puts me a good HUD space. I get all my overthinking done while Mike running. That's my so I don't know. That's just so that probably same thing with, like a walk. Yeah. Hack clear in your head cool. Okay. So let's see. So do some fun Russians. Let's do so. You walk into a scene half the object work. What's your go-to object, always typing computer? I don't know untiringly wise. But I think it's because if you're at a computer, you can then move to like a mouse clicking, or like stapling. There's other obvious things within that environment or. Out there yet, and it feels more natural because, like, I'm typing at a computer all day. You know, sure. He's just a good Goto totally, and I feel like it establishes your co workers, and that's already kind of more fun dynamic than like. A couple of house. Sure them should we see ten battle. I'm guilty. Okay. So this is your go-to fist team. Are you plus three other people it can be anybody ever ever? Oh, god. Celebrities, visors alive, or dead or alive. Yeah. Wow. Ultimate fist team. Trying to think of who had bounced me. All right. Meryl Streep to really carry the like acting. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Very dramatic. I think that I have to go. This is really hard. I kinda wanna do of that is a powerhouse Tina and Amy feels like an obvious pick. But I think it would work, I think it would really work. Maybe my Rudolph. I'm gonna go Merrill street. My Rudolph myself and. I should maybe think of a bit. I'm going to pull her before. That's it. Yeah. I guess sounds also what was that team? They'd be man. Just Meryl Streep real for. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Six talk of has there ever been a indeed team name that you propose that never saw the light of day. Oh. For like fifteen then. I think so I wanted Martinez to be called trae Sledge's because there's three of us and then Neal was the one white guy, and Nick responded, just I hate it. Got martinez. That's it. I'm kinda bad. Like I think some people are good at puns. You know, that's not necessarily my sense of humor. Okay. So someone's gotta get name them like that's me that works for sure. Yeah. Has there been like a favorite palooza that you've been a part of? Palooza this year. I wasn't a show where we redid an episode of the award at the bunch of people who identify as queer women and saw the salmon, the yeah, yeah, it was a lot of fun mostly because it wasn't like heavily improvised, because we were just recounting actual storylines from the show. But I remember the audience's reactions thinking, we were coming up with the most zany ideas, but it was actually stuff that had happened. So it was funny to like, compile the most ridiculous parts of a whole. What is like a soap opera and just do it in fifteen minutes. It was a lot, a lot of fun. That's awesome. Other than that. We did lot next did one a few years ago where it was the game low Theriault, which is like Mexican bingo, basically, and we had the audience, member pick out cards and Lillo Dras, while known for its artwork on its cards, so you'd pick it out. And if it's the moon is like this beautiful drawing of the moon, but then we would do see on the moon, and that was a lot of fun to get to share that people because it's something everyone plays growing up, Geno. I love that. Yeah, there's a lot of fun. We gave out chips in guac. Oh, I don't know how someone one but he gave out tips in Guam. Joe winter audience. Awesome. Let's see. So this is year. This is a fictional herald, teen every member on there, except for you as a fictional character from either TV books X cartoons customers around. Yeah. Good questions. So. I pick is adult Junie b Jones. I feel like she'd have really characters on how big is Geraldine said nine I'm looking for nine. Okay, it's a seven more people fictional characters. Let's say let's do never Longbottom, because I feel like he probably is kinda funny, sometimes shy people. I feel like can be really funny onstage. Classic. Yeah. I have faith enough. And who else? Really is trying to have like all the TV shows I've ever watched. His we're smart people too smart characters. I would go. Why this is not. Just like it's the one that stops people they'll get hurt. Fictional characters. Let's throw Lisa's incentive. She's probably pretty smart. How many my three Hello, sir? I got these parts of anyway. What are other like big? I really like SpongeBob. But I don't think any of them would be good improvisers, you know, a little too unpredictable. Yeah. Maybe the my way guy. Yeah. The my leg from spun fog. It's just the background on the back line. He can just be like my leg. It always pays off. It's always such a funny one, the like every twenty episodes, you can say. I feel like every improv team has a guy who's like Hans solo you know. So let's just throw them. So, yeah. Like the shock kinda hot guy yet. All right, Han solo former. Yes, for my God can start saying characters this. All right. Right. Let's say Wednesday, Addams I feel like I can't do creepy a lot. But there's often seems that are really funny creepy characters. I think she could pull that off. Oh, yeah. Let's do April lucky from person act perfect. Yeah. Good. I need a few more like zany people. How about Steve from Blue's clues? He was a weirdo. Use real Jack actually. Yeah. Yeah. I could find. Yeah. We are. Silly energies. Yeah. Totally. People just one one more. You're not gonna make account. We'll go Napoleon dynamite for his physicality, right. Yeah. So that's my round. I don't think we have good chemistry kind of. Yeah, you need a good coach. That seemed navy. They're mostly. TV characterists. TV guide TV guy. So two questions, left three questions. But let's see what has been a really big aha moment for you with comedy. Big. Oh, something I haven't talked about is in college. I didn't get on the college improv team. But my best friend, and I who made it who my friend who made it on the team. We started a radio show that was like modeled after the daily show, but we like to say it's very interpretation, but it was just like a political satire show and we'd like focus on sorry. Get one. Favorite exercise. So you like yeah. Then my last question is. I'll tell out with. So we started a radio show modeled after the daily show, and we had a weekly slot. We, we would do kind of new segments. We would like hit current events on campus around DC, and the big national news, too. And we would meet up like a couple of hours before, just like right. Out different bits. We wanted to do or ideas for jokes, and then we would also have other comedians or funny, people on campus common do like impersonations we got in some trouble because we would do presentations of school administrators. Like pretend we would never say the person Asian. It's radio. So, like you cannot present tells terms, but we'd be like we're here with, like the dean of students like someone who was an improviser would like do a full character bit as a dean of students about, like some controversy that was going on. And it was a lot of fun. And that was a big moment for me because I hadn't made. It on improper team. But I found a different outlook for it. And we just had so much fun doing it. And it was so fun to like. Right. Only time it was so fun where we were taking these, like real things that were happening. But then, like, what if we just made it the most ridiculous thing we possibly could we would have the college Republican president of the college democrat, president on all the time to debate, like how long people can leave their Christmas lights up. So, like, yeah. And it would be a blast. And so it's cool that to me, I think, has been really fundamental, like even just my improv, Sal, because I'm like others. There's funny things that can be had in these, like very true were very real topics. You know. Yeah, that's awesome. So that I think is really shaped my style, like made me feel really confident like oh yeah. If I think it's funny, and I just commit to it other people might think it's funny too. I'm cracking up. Let's just do it. And see what happens, I think other Hamam it was. Honest, I think it was. Seeing a few kind do if you. I really liked playing with my wife mom bullet under this related, but I really liked playing with my wife mom because it was such a small team. Just three of us on. It really taught me a lot of just like you gotta get out there. And you've got to trust each other. You gotta have your teammates back in there is particularly one show. I love Brady. But Brady wasn't there, and that show, I think, was just huge for me because it was just me Joey in this giant stage we were going against childish things who ended up winning thing. But like I felt like I did the show of my life like at on this age would just Joey, and being in the zone and just doing seeing after seeing. And it's just the two you've got to trust each other. I think was really important. And it's something I feel times run like, oh, I'm invent. I gotta be invested every single show every single scene. You know it's kind of an exhilarating way to play totally. And I think I often. When I am frustrated after shows it's because I wasn't coming out of that mentally as kind of coasting or I do, like my head wasn't in it. So it's a big part of like my philosophy and then my last moment was doing fist with meal and Christina out to get his again shout out to both of them their styles just so different than anything I've seen either from all the shows I've watched or from coming up in the wet curriculum. I feel like they think about things in different way and. I think we're like tot. We're definitely taught like certain philosophies at wit. And so to them, see them play and be like this makes sense to me, you know, and be like I could embrace this and run with it. And there's a whole new world that I wasn't even kind of wear of was really, really fun. And so now I'm starting to, like try to seek that out a little bit more. There's a few other players who do that really well, like UCLA, and that's just been really fun to just have my eyes opened like that. Totally. I, I struggle with what styles vary character based, they focus on relationships and having ground and scenes amazing. I've learned so much on program just getting better at it. But it's something that comes like really, really hard to me. So I've always been under the impression like I got, like, really focused on getting better at that would just true. And kind of hide that more. Like chaotic like free fast loose style of play. So to see people like embrace that and do that. Well was just like wow. I don't have to necessarily like, you know, sure there's, like all these other things you can get into. Yeah. No. Yeah. They're great at that. Yeah. Creating these worlds or visual things and stuff that really aren't touched on, like, which is fine because it's like you got to kind of know the basal rolls into break. You know, you need that strong foundation. So I feel like getting to do fist with them. And then going into herald has been the perfect complement because I'm honing like, both of those muscles in both have been doing it for so long to series got a lot of experience in all over the place. Oh, yeah. They're awesome, Jimmy exercises that you like to do. Yeah. Ever exercises all night teams. Hey this because I love it so much. But I love that one warm up where you literally just all mock around groom making contacts. And then you clap at the same time. Try to have just like one claps out and then you Joan, and then you insert, like third, you stop walking or whatever I love that one. I'm the kind of person who really needs warm ups to like have a solid show and that one is so good to me for like getting on the same page. Chilling out a little bit and get into good head space. Yeah. I love that one. I didn't know that one actually maybe from, like one class. I'd done it. But yeah, we've done a couple of times out second. Yes. Yeah. It's like a sinking of every month. Yeah. And it's kinda quiet. I like it gives you a moment to dislike really chill out, dial that one. And then last question, the big one boy within commie, what's been your biggest failure to comment? I don't know. Failures and interesting word. 'cause I also feel like I view improv Indiana is like a hobby. I know for some people it's. They're grind. It's they're like going places three using it as stone, which is awesome. I live with a bunch of standups to comedy is very much their thing. It's like their career on. And I I'm kinda dislike this is fun. I'm here I'm doing it. It's a good way to spend my time will be users like a creative out. Yeah. Yeah. Mainly what it is for me sell. Like I feel like I haven't done anything. Big enough where I was like, oh man, this matters a lot, and I could fail you know, because I always have been pretty like lane back about it yet. I think like peaks and valleys in my improv journey. I think definitely not getting on the college team felt like a big kick to the gut. That's about it. I cut a lot of shows that have just been really bad. Like a lot of people have. But I really liked bombing near kinda talked about this before. But I think bombing is like a normal part of the experience. I kind of feel like it can be. Yeah. And if you do a hundred shows. Ten are going to be like amazing, and it's going to be like the best high you ever had and like we all keep doing because we want that high again. I'm sure really good players. Have that high tore often than I do, but you have like ten shows that are really good. You have like twenty shows that are like terrible. And then in the middle of just like normal shows you're having fun. It was good. So everytime, I bomb. I'm like, oh, that's one of the twenty I gotta get it out of the way you know. So I'm almost relieved when I bomb, because then it's like, oh, maybe I won't bomb the next time if that's as bad as it can get like I can handle it, you know, for sure. And I think it's honestly one of the biggest bonding things as team very humbling. There's nothing worse than bad improv. And so knowing you're all out there together. I think can be good thing. Funny to where especially on herald. Maybe for house teamed. I haven't experienced yet but Indy teams it's low, it's I feel like it's pretty forgiving. Whatever this is just. Yeah. Just with my friends do. So if you do about it, it's like a red crow pure after. Yeah. Anyway, kind of, like, whatever. But with like heroes or maybe like some of these limited run things like feels like the stakes are higher. People are paying a little bit more closer attention, totally so. So, yeah, like not not being able to hit it and being of makes you like more over critical of yourself. Yeah. I know we were kind of in a weird crew. We are in like a weird groove for a minute. They're out sick. I felt like everybody was pretty critical of themselves. And but at the same time, it's like you talk to people see the show and like a lot of times, people aren't like remember like that time, we're totally it wasn't bad or wasn't good. They're gonna remember like the highlights and the best parts of it. Yeah. So it's just funny. It's funny how people can be critical selves. But like the grand scheme of things, people are not gonna remember other people watch it aren't going to really remember, like twelve like those things. So. I think it's and lately, we've, I felt a lot of confidence on this and ending. Yes, been great. It's been awesome. And I feel like well that regular performance adds more pressure. You know, because you're getting does opportunity you're getting sage time, have you, but it's also kind of liberating. I feel like because it's like if we bomb next Tuesday where here and we have another show. And so for me. Taking a lot of pressure off. And maybe it's none the best thing because it doesn't mean game every show my hundred percent because we got another next week. But I think it's actually led to like me doing better because I've liked taken that pressure off of me. You know very different style. Improper, like, fist feel so calculated like every move you do is like you're thinking so much whereas in Harold, you're like this might be funny by not really cares. Let's try like half the amount of time. Yeah. Compared to Harold, soya insane. Are you doing this year? Yeah. Yeah. You are the team. They have the kitchen. Six. Overruled for doing. I don't even know how he got on this, but recording podcast. I don't even know how we got on this, but someone talked about McKenzie basis Jeff as of CES divorce his soon to be wife and we're looking into her, and she's apparently, novelist, which no one's gonna know because ever knows. Jeff favors ex wife and her novel was called traps. And we're really timeout MacKenzie basis who's now the richest person world. That's right. Jeff Bezos just kind of the boss move. And so the team name is MacKenzie bazo, traps Queen traps or novel and she's kind of trapped Queen because a trap point in the definition is like someone who's kind of bad ass, and that's, that's literally all that's behind it. That's going to be. I don't know how turn out. We thought of funny. That's awesome. This great. Yeah. Cool. Well, I look forward to that and future shows with us. Well. And what whether teams are you on that people can find. Let's see. It's Martinez still perform lat next states of America. And others missing. That's all this the regular ones. I do Jordana does a show called I wrote that where we bring in old stuff, we've written as like teens in and then Dadis picks wanted me do scenes off of that. And that is like a rotating cast. But I do that probably, like, once or twice a run cool. And Nick does a lot of the pop up shows calling club. Those are really fun. And so I do those, I think like once a month or so to sweet. Yeah. I'm doing I have a melon show coming up where it's all people of color. And then Martinez, I think is trying to regularly perform it pop up. So check him out there, a lot of fun. It hits on a good show and can people find you on Facebook or scrim? Yeah. Follow me on Twitter. That's my biggest that good Twitter content on my Twitter. Name is Olympia KADO like avocado. And then Facebook, cool awesome. Thanks to do this interview. And thank you guys for tuna. Could you the next one?
Is Miami about to sign the next Josef Martinez? Cavallini to 'Caps & Sacha Kljestan's MLS story time
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We've gotten all year long. Rachel Davis and the Youtube comments section. where it is actually kind of pop in sometimes says I'm confused? Is Bobby leaving the show. You guys made it sound like like that's the case and then Andrew said would find out later why the intro was all bobby quotes and then bobby made a reference to not going out without doubling down calm and then a reference to there being a tray of Brownies Brownies for Bobby and then we never got any explanation and then bobby signed off with quote. It's been real guys in quote like he's never going to be back on the show again and can we get an explanation. I promise you we will have a full explanation at the very very end of this show. No bits bobby would not allow it. Although he did did in the previous show with a bit about Pie pointed out. Rob Gosh So. I don't know what that's a good ncis level in. I mean we gotta go saga. He's important we know that. Let's Talk L. Tuncay Lucas Cavalier. Any he is now Vancouver. WHITECAPS FIV reported by Jeff Carlisle with six million dollars. Merry Christmas League Max. They are just collecting checks for strikers from MLS teams at this point that's like what fifteen mill reportedly totally between island and Catalina Gustavo Bobak and it goes on and on and on maybe Roger Martinez as well to Inter Miami Twenty six year old Canadian four but really twenty twenty seven. His birthday is December twentieth. so He's really twenty-seven is twenty. He's he's really twenty. Seven headline will be twenty. Conrad striker Signed Board in Toronto. So he's going all the way west to Vancouver. He seemed really happy to be. There said he's happy to be back home. He's been with Puebla last three years in Mexico. Twenty goals in eighty one games. They really tease this. They're all about. It's their big signing. We're excited about it. We've been talking about it for a long time whether it was Sporting Kansas City the Vancouver whitecaps. What's your what's your take? What's your level of excitement? Vancouver signed a player. So that's pretty good. Didn't you excited sided like palpable excitement. Or is it more like. Oh yeah look cavill amy would be a good signing. Maybe the second one. But that's excited for me. I don't go that high sometimes. But he is. He's a talented player in a a position of need for them for club hasn't signed talented players in positions of a lot over the last few years and had a low floor and major league soccer. I think he'll score goals and high floor floor. Sorry yes he's got an. I think he'll score goals. I think he'll he'll make it harder for defenses. I think he'll make it easier for his teammates. Whether the runs he makes whether occupying defenders physically whatever it is. I think he'll make the guys around him better now. I don't know who the guys around him are. I really like long bomb. And that's about it but I think in general role for what we thought Vancouver was going to do. This is a pretty good. Time is five striker Concacaf when you say yeah. He's definitely he definitely. I don't have the mouth and he's around there. I mean he John David I think David sure. Then somebody's GonNa say Jordan Morris Winger Okay like Joe. I think a fully fit Josie is better than him but Joseph he's no doubt about. It would take Cavallina over Josh Sergeant. I think a year from now maybe that changes is but like this is a this is a really good signing this is a guy who has scored everywhere. He's gone he has been available everywhere he's got he doesn't get her which is like such a big thing especially in this league we see how teams without their best guys. Ten to fall off really quickly so that that is huge for Vancouver uncovered and the track record as we all know for for guys coming from Mexico from coming specifically when we get to. MLS has been very very good recently. so I I love this signing from Vancouver's point of view he he's called L.. Tonka because he's built like David you know he's got kind of a bowling ball type out of a type of shape and he he uses that y phrases that was your quad and hamstring. Those are my tank were. He's but he's like he's super mobile to and you see it. I mean you saw with the goal. He scored against the US in October. He's able to get behind the defense especially defensively I. This is a guy who I thought like. I wanted. Sporting Kansas City assigned him a couple of years ago when they were still oppressing team because he does all of that work Now I don't think this means Vancouver's GonNa be oppressing team necessarily but maybe this gives us it gives them the ability for five or ten minutes a game right before the half suddenly spring high press on a team kind of unsuspecting and package. Look Vancouver still a team that has to win at the margins. They're not going to throw thirteen out. Talents Audi one one through eleven one through eighteen So having this type of flexible reliable player out there I think is great for them. Five ten minutes thing by the way I find interesting because when you watch Vancouver the last few years it's really hard to get got to for some teams and you see them jump on teams early and a lot of times. It feels like they didn't mean to like it just happens on shipping and then all of a sudden they're up one's one zero on the crowds behind them and it may not be the way they see the game and it would be interesting to just how Houston tries to use their natural advantages. The Way Robin Fridges already spoken about using Denver Denver in Colorado as a natural van. He'd like to see that a little bit more from Vancouver. It feels like Marco Santos is not a guy who super dogmatic tactically no. He's not he likes to Dan. He's switched it up a lot differently. This team right now and look. It is incomplete. There's only one way to put it with the Vancouver whitecaps. They were incomplete last year and they were at the bottom of the western conference. They're incomplete now because it's cavalier and then what like theo bear I liked. He had some good moments I study my Montero is still technically. He's still here but like come on. You got cavalierly. The raiders rain is the only two ricketts it just feels like a lot of mismatch parts especially in the front four and a lot of those parts they brought in last year. We're mismatch that they were just immediately. Gone they jettison them. And then you have what it's like it's embalm. It's Tiber Andy. Rose I mean like they can't Henry he's gone like they don't have DP which just taking a moment away from the depression you're driving it's to say this is going to be a setback encounter team. It has to be. Does it not like they. Just don't have talent to do anything else shirt now. I would just say to do that every year that they've built around something the thing they are building around has been poor every time they they brought into deep striker. Outside of Kenny Miller. Only Barry Robson one year and one year with Pedro Morales. Like I like that one too. All they've all wasn't Rad's whatever. Wasn't ED player. Last year. He was not a good show at least now they have something. That's a sure thing and so then you can start to put pieces around that and whether it's a five three two in your D Raina places. The second forward off of Cava leaning meaning the to have a little two man game topping long and bombs hitting balls into the channels for them. And you've got Ali Adnan down one wing because you don't have enough or you don't have any good centrebacks you just. There are like six out there and see what happens. Whatever it is that they end up doing here at least you can? I don't know maybe start to see a bit of a blueprint. We'll see the player left back the tough one. That is a tough one. Just forward thinking exactly we shall see because there is more to think about for the whitecaps to have some signings make that new sporting director turn. He says he was worth the money Schuster so now he's got more signings to make January. I will help him make some of those you would think he would be or we would speculate that he might be more of the Ernst Tanner type where he has. Some as you said in the past Dave some places where he can get an advantage scouting networks that other people don't have players that he's familiar with that he can bring in. We Shall L. C.. They do have some holes. But this is a big one for the Vancouver whitecaps Lucas Cavaliers for reported six million dollars. Let Stanley Amax. And let's Talk Roger Martinez Martina's in Miami because we haven't done this. I really thought that we had and I was kind of like I think Hamas. I'm pretty hyped about Roger Martinez. You get pretty hyped about Colombian attack fun. Yeah this is this level of soccer for me. We're kind of homes. Would Roger Martinez be like if you were going to Like what would be a nice creamy ball of mess with a slice hard-boiled egg in the dream. This is playing. There's no flavoring. Just plain just misses the flavor right. Okay okay that's a good point. Good Pawsey what kind of player could he be because he was like a winger mostly radical Medica. He's so so we shouldn't talk about it in the past tense. Man They got they got no no. We shouldn't talk about Roger Artesia software game. Yes two more games. Because America is in the League in a final Anal Twenty Six thousand thirty Ninth Twenty Six and twenty nine against Monterrey who are in the club World Cup this Liverpool tomorrow. I think yeah so like we could see Roger. Martine like he started one of the Games in the semifinal. I think both the quarter yet a banger that called back in the second leg. And he's which we'll get to that's Roger Martinez and he had a fantastic goal for Argentina. This summer in America. I guess they're just saying rather Caroling off-season talks. Got You throw a little bit. I when Roger Martinez. I see a guy who is often hyphen played on the wing. And I understand why because he's fast and he's reliable on the ball and put it in a good effort I think he's a centre forward. I I honestly do. I think like this might be Joseph Martinez type of thing like Joseph in Syria. They always play on the wing. He wasn't great on the wing he comes to mls he plays for Totta and he scored thirty goals a year. I'm not saying that if Roger Martinez signs an MLS signs with Miami that will be thirty goal scorer. But I think it's a similar type of scenario where he's like an gets a fulltime job. He's like oh even when he's played well at Centerforamerica he's gotten moved out yet because there's is a lot of players there there's a lot of options and there's been I don't know the deeper part of there's been something about him where the fans just don't really like him. Yeah and so. He's never had that behind him where it's like. Well we're GONNA keep giving him a shot and I don't know if it's because a ruby rebate was sort of aging out and fellow was the replacement and that was a fan favourite. Whatever it was I agree with you? That he's he's he's a number nine. He's also bigger than Joseph Martinez so he can hang at that position and Major League. Soccer he combined with centre-back is a physical guy he can take that space. He's Uber. He's incredibly incredibly fast but he scores wonder goals he scores while the goal against Argentina. He comes off the wing and just rips into a corner. And it's like Oh yeah Argentina's about it's a loose Columbia for twenty five years because he's still only twenty five five. He'll be twenty seven. They bought him for about six million a a couple of years ago. The reported the rumors that we've seen would be hit him moving to mls for around six million. which looking at the prices is that? We have seen recently with. If if it's like more accomplished than than some Kathleen for instance who just for six months by the way some reporting we just have to give the shot stingray on this. He's the one that reported it and the other thing is that His his contract is supposedly very large. So maybe a clue. America just want to get that off the books so they'd be willing to cell now slow. The foreigner rule is coming in. That's true for League Amex. So there are things He would make a lot of sense in. MLS make a lot of sense in that market getting a Colombian national team guy in Miami. That's Miami have already spent a lot of money on Jillian Carranza nineteen year old. Argentinian Youth International International. I believe and he's Center for he doesn't play any other position. So are you going to buy a twenty five year old DP for a lot of money. to play him ahead of your soon to be twenty year old Tam Center forward. Like I'm just we know. Miami's have starter today. He's not in Argentina. Selena right now. Well I think part of that is like okay. You go into another team where we've received so I think like I. It would have been a lot of money to spend on Karonga if he's not going to. Because if Martin if Martinez comes into crowds actually doesn't have a fair chance to I just saw. An example of Brian Rodriguez as well that would kind of fit in the same old. We're like we have Diego Rosati and like you might sell them. But you might not and you have Carlos Vela who won't be moved and in this era of the last. Maybe you aren't thinking so linearly in terms of like this is our guy here. This is our investment. The people behind him kind of fall in place as far as a hierarchy goes averill laugh sees the best team in the league already they are going to sell and they are gonNA sell Diego Rosie. Okay well it's like a ninety percents. Roger Martinez does have cell on value at his age. But the other other thing that I think on top of this we've been promised they have to sign a huge big name. European DP people to come to the games with everyone said it for two years on this show. Now every single room has been soir as all the with Miami Donahue here are that they stay should because of the I sports town. That Miami is throwing up the air quotes there. I have no. We never even bending the Miami I think the Miami or the Atlanta protrude work in Miami. Where really we have a well known internationally known Latin American manager? We have these young exciting latin-american stars come be part of this cool experience you know with the new soccer team in town. I absolutely think that would work better in Miami than like. Let's find a thirty four year old from the EPL. You Mean David Silva who I had forgotten about until who knows. If that's GONNA use thirty two you will be traveling almost still. It's okay. Yeah he would offer that too but look maybe imitators Pellegrini's that guy you maybe. He's though he may be. He's your own type. I'm not saying he's going to be sold for twenty five whatever it was million. Yeah but maybe he's the one that you build up and you have different sort of like you know poker's in the fire you've got international twenty-five we'd just scored a goal a couple of Medicare that everybody's obsessed with has played in the next by the way he's also played in China so Roger Martinez is chased the coin a little bit no fence I I mean I would do the same math near for sure. we'll see. We'll see if Paul's reporting it. That means it definitely has legs and by the way another Paul did build Atlanta united or help build it. That's Paul mcdonagh. Here's the sporting director at Inter Miami as well. Let's run through some news if you have thoughts on any of this just jump in and give them new. US Open Cup form outlets go teams entering in the round of sixty four. We have been not all all of them not all of them like half of them which is even better. Actually 'cause then you have a bunch of teams I get to play US teams in that round for the first time and in the next round yet hopefully really. You're sending them on the road. I know that's not part of the official release there but like I've ranted about this like send them on the road make competition different. Don't don't automatically automatically. Send them on their own. But what's Nice about the coin the way it's been set up. Is You now also have more time in between rounds so you have more time to either sell tickets if the home team for big game like that or it should be cheaper to schedule travel for away teams so now. It's been spaced out rather than last year. where I think there was three rounds in three straight weeks? Bang Bang Bang The rest of the winter and around thirty two and onward and upward. A one problem about this is there's a large section of the US Open teams that are NPS Ellen. Pedia and they use college. Players players in college players normally aren't released by this time of the year and I did a game last year with PD L. team where they basically just ran. High School kids out there actuated multiple games. And they. I was on the phone with coaches and they were like. We don't know if this guy's GONNA show up. We don't know WHO's here like we've got sixteen players right now. We're in a hotel pal waiting to see what happens and one team kind of like had a bunch of Ivy League guy so they show up like in July or something as the classes that go the later us. Oh that throws things off a little bit early rounds all right. We'll see how that works out there. Of course Bruce Arena talking at a different speaking of college soccer runaway. Georgetown congratulations to them. Champions specific on one of the Greatest College Sports Georgetown Hoyas Way to go is South San no trying to trying to serve a little biggies big user. You haven't been okay. You saw the tweet you know I I do like go someplace. They tried to play real soccer one of the the college teams that does that every year. Sean Nicholas Right back. He'll go really high John. Zanjan Zara Dylan. Neal is the right back. He'll go really high in the in the draft this year I think I really liked their center. Forward Dodson Kit gift from Chicago. I think Soccer Academy or magic one of those two. I gotta say this is this was not a prop to talk about that. Sounds and we'll send your sands is Twin brother okay. I'm here for and he is twin brother. Yes twin brother no identity as a left winger. I think he's probably end up being a fullback he. He was pretty impressive as well. Let's go guy at Shara you've got to speak into the microphone speaking to Felton. Who Chara? Oh yeah he was good but he's all the time all the time he's like twenty five anyway was supposed supposed to be Bruce Arena was there and he let drop to Stephen Gough The Washington Post that they will be signing the ribs eight as ignited player a forward and then Sam stace go. The thought became onset. It's Adam Buca a twenty three year old Polish center forward. Who you know mixed bag? As far as goalscoring record was one every two games last year. It's a little less than that this year. I have no idea I just wanted to hear you. Let's see if I can pull gone says Nian. The sounds good. I feel like it's Chechen right because s as easy in Polish is shed. You're doing some do and go on that side to you do a quarter Polish anyway twenty. Grammy he's tall and he's big and hopefully it's casper show Bilko. If you're the REVS. I guess yeah I don't know if we have any other other thoughts on that one goes checkout reporting on the thoughts are they great great creative plan CANEA. He'll who've really more of a second forward you would think think whoever goes. It doesn't have to be a star you'll bumper can't play the wing but you just need someone to do the job to allow those guys to be best. What did you say okay? What Day did you say the Rod Fanny was GonNa? I thought it would be next summer as it turned out December sixteenth so ran back and Nacho. PR reportedly wants to go back back to Argentina. So it's December in Montreal. We'll see if he gets back to Santa runs are they did exercise his option which was six million dollars. I believe so. It's GonNa be a good deal for him no matter what maybe his family. Happy and Argentina. Maybe his bank accounts really happy here. Kemar Lawrence wants a trade because he wanted a new deal and the rebels reportedly would not entertain that. He's not afraid to say it. He sort of just signed a new deal in twenty but then he saw other people signed new deals and his money and he was like like my money doesn't look as good anymore and I'm still probably. Are you the best left back. In the League and Red Bulls are like you probably thought of that when you signed a new deal just now probably did and they probably said that's too much based on mark. I don't know I'm just thinking we'll see what how it's not easy right now. Also the club has no forward momentum. They haven't signed anyone it. It doesn't feel like there's a North Star that they're pointed at like they have been over the last six years and I think you saw that in his comments of just if he's not he also so wants to win a title. He doesn't feel like he's working towards either of those now. Maybe it'll look different in March after the Red Wolves off season. And what they choose to do and Blah Blah Blah but right now a guy who's been there for a while it doesn't seem like he feels that way and you can understand that in some ways when you see mostly your cell science coming through and you know Kaku who was a big one but outside that years ago. Yeah it's been a little. It's been a little time Let's just run through some quick rumors. We'll get to the mailbag and then onto Sasha question these these are all straight out of South America and I have a little bit of a sort of my gut telling me man. This is a different. MLS different transfer window feels different profile players. Certainly the different dollar amounts report here L.. AFC trying to pick up a what. aguire international from Montevideo Wanderers Francisco. Gina Della. He's basically you would think a replacement replacement for you saw. This guy comes in. The report is seventy five percent of his rights would be two point five million dollars twenty World Cup now. D- Twenty. Three's yeah I mean it's pretty straightforward another Paraguay or. Excuse me then we go to some Paraguayans. Nineteen year old at Libertad. He's there number ten Yvonne Ranko he has. He has hair like Bob Ross. It's it's absolutely incredible. And he's got eighteen goals in like fifty sixty games for this club which are among the big three in Paraguay. The last couple years so potato Olympia. I think generally libertador those clubs they he's linked with a named. MLS Club here also is linked to PS G.. And then Cecile Dominquez linked to gain from independent. They six million he also has interests in the league. Max so you kind of wonder if this is an agent play but it feels different age. The he's not happy in Argentina. Happy with him is I mean they like a- America sold him back in January. I believe it was now. Maybe maybe going back I duNNO I. It's it's always bizarre with him In in dearly skin Zala is like the there's a generation of really talented Paraguayan attackers. Who for for one reason or another Oscar Romero and other one who they just haven't panned out where they've gone? What do you think the only thoughts on these anything specific diffic- no nothing specific more general than it's exciting when you see players at this quality and I think it shows major league soccer where it stands is in the world game now which is different than what it used to be None of these would have been realistic. So would have been unnecessary age in place of just trying to get names out there it would have been just sleet teams. It would have just been like. They've offered her Mexico. Because that's where the money is. And that's where you can go now. It's legitimate not just that major league soccer will spend the money but that it's the right right pathway for a lot of these players careers so it makes sense for people to say. Oh Yeah Young. International South American or national. You molest. They didn't go to. Europe is yeah and so that now has changed. I think a lot of the equation for these things. And if four or five years ago we would have jumped through a window anything. Mo has been making moves like this on Geez you think Christian Coleman who's wake homeowners. You could run through a lot of these players. It's risk reward. Some some work some don't and we'll see what happens with these quickly to the mailbag because under saying I've wasted a lot of our time here just some news. Commissioner Don Garber is going to Charlotte on Tuesday. Hey for some announcement. We don't know what it could be. What might be no idea who knows? He's just still driving back from rush. Cup right yeah yeah. Maybe it's Melchett coach. He forgot something in cary North Carolina. Right so we'll see what that is our carrier we did our awards or east of Charlotte Him Finnegan says we missed on for the. You know. I'm good but come on guys. No Okay No Evan. Here from Dallas Epic Award Show. I think cried from laughing at one point. That's where we're going for one suggestion Russian for next year. You need to have all the extra time hosts on to do it. He says he misses an Ceylan. And here's last but not least. This is a legendary mail from the Youtube section from the legend. RV H. He came up with the top hangout scenario for each member of extra time. And we'll get to bobby in a second. Obviously but we had to run through this for. I'll yeah I'll go for you dave. I your ideal friend hang out situation you as a friend. Whoever fill in the blank with you would be a road trip or foreign vacation R. V. H.? Says he wants a guy with an engine to keep things exciting and push comfort zones. Dave loves finding the hidden gems. He's a bottomless pit for foods. WHO's always throwing throwing down? He's social makes friends easily. So that helps open doors. I'm guessing he's a clutch clutch in a pinch which is absolutely necessary with things. Gets sketchy greater than zero. Chance sweet end up in jail though. If I made a travel partner in a lab he would basically be David Goss. I think a lot of these really nailed it. Here's yours doyle your dungeon master astor. He says he's never played D.. But he could see doyle throwing himself into it. Heart and making it legitimately fun. You have a good sense of humor. You like to make stories bust chops and get drunker occurs the night whereas on that one I think was pretty. You guys can judge mine. Here is three. I guess for me. And they're all very mid Western helping hoping to move out RV says we would be focused and put the most honest hours in so true. He's a mid Western guy. I am and that helps. He is a slim pickings for this crew. And moving out I don't think any of you helped me move out but let me move on either side. I gave you a free umbrella literally help I. I shall move in when he moved to Berkeley. Oh Yeah Okay so you got right here. But he only if the weather is for rating eating is a little bit cold you move between May Fifth and May thirty first and it's nice enough elevator building. We'll be baby. He played eight. Yup I would be responsible. Pay Attention. I wouldn't bring my kid over sick. True wouldn't talk too much or too little very important in dorm room mate again. It's about violence. Says I could chill in the dorm or or go out. Wouldn't be too loud and I wouldn't kick you out when you brought in it right there. Yeah baby play dates. One is probably your strong. Yeah shorts the all of these are at different points in my life back in the day when your friends are moving all the time I was great and moving on to someone moving false a hundred percent. Yeah come on. He would show up like a bunch would be done and you'd be like Oh you know that thing when that one friend shows up but it's already kind don classic. Let's see we have a bobby. Were shot one here. But we'll end with that one obviously Susanna game night enthusiastic. Emotive Loki Loki Super Competitive. Yeah wouldn't make things awkward. She has great interpersonal skills. Now that one brings the good food and wine. Yeah Yeah and if you forget to bring something sues as he covered covered so Skills yes she's doing like acting things out of it would be most useful. She's probably the best jar of anyone here and I've never seen any of US draw. Oh sketch okay. Rohrer like music festival. All the bands ends coming through quote. I know the guitarist good guy. Let's go backstage and check them out in quote good chance he will disappear and you will never see him for the rest of the night though the all right I don't know about the music festival. Part artistic cultural thing like five minutes with Ceylan at the start and then right and then you like somebody cool through everything. I never see him again because I went to governor's ball one time and ran into Kaelin in the VIP section really yep what were you doing in the VIP people. uh-huh yeah uh-huh uh-huh Connect Charlie clubbing. Yeah he's a relaxed Alpha can cut through the crowd. Yeah he knows the perfect. You said his friends up and it stays in his lane. Ed's can but that sounds like Charlie and we'll end ear and then explained the bobby thing if if we have time owners want me no Bobby Book Club. He is thoughtful and takes unexpected angles. Facts one minute. He's coming with a great point. The next is like what did this guy read. And then he closes by mixing up with the host. He's a total wild old card and the only good thing about this boring book club is his. This is his sorry I yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. This is his book club with Bobby. Sounds like hell that just sounds like my own personal nightmare. Yeah well I think we've done that for basically saying we got to win the dream becomes reality. Go read it in the come on. Okay Thursday you guys were here. You explain the alright. Sasha question coming up Triple D. on Thursday I'm out for twenty nineteen. It's been a pleasure. Is your everyone we will see on the other side it's time again for MLS storytime here. On extratime driven by Connor. We have a special guest in the room. Sasha question you know him from mm-hmm Seton Hall. Let's say cheese. USA Anderlecht back to New York Red Bulls Orlando City and as we are. You are listening to this. That may have changed. Changed because Sasha's in a quote unquote free agent years. Well Sasha welcome new pod. Thanks for having me man. So here's what we do on these. I basically just get guys interested in and just try to pick your brain about anything everything in your career and with you. I WANNA start sort of from the beginning and I'm not talking professional talking to the first time you saw a ball because I have a two year role and you have children. I heard the been podcast interview. And you guys are cracking up about and Benny and Mike Rela and how they're sort of raising their kid's in soccer and I wonder how you were raised in this game from the beginning and on. Yeah I guess just talking about my son real quick. He's two and a half and the toss him volleys all day and he just smacks him with his left foot. And I'm sure my dad was doing the same thing so my mom always says that basically from when I was born there was a ball in my crib My Dad is a big soccer player growing up in a big soccer fan so I played with him a lot around the house. I remember playing Aiwa so and started started when I was about four or five years old and I was just obsessed with the sport and then I think the thing that put it over the top for me was the ninety four World Cup. I think I must have been nine years old that summer. You know watching the final in l. a. at the Rose Bowl everything that kind of really just caught on and from that moment forward i. I only had one goal in life. Now it'd be a professional soccer player so then it was just playing every day after that trying to make my My goal and my dream a reality you were nine. I was a little younger younger. You were in. La Did you go to any games. Did you have that opportunity. I did not my daddy used to take us to a lot of La Galaxy Games growing up so that happened a few years later and then whenever the national team would play in L. A.. Like at the Rose Bowl. We would go to those games. But I don't think we went to any World Cup games probably too expensive for us or she gotta be pretty proud of the left. See that you're raising. Yeah so my my older brother. Gordon is a lefty and he had like the nicest left foot of anybody. I've played with literally like maybe in my career career so he's got a good uncle to look up to my little boy knocks to practice Aleph as the years go on. So what do you remember about the way your dad sort of shape up to you or talk to you about the game or included you. Think of some stories. I've heard where you were playing up. We always say oh you gotta play up levels you gotta be with quote unquote men. Your Dad was an active player. I've heard stories about you as a kid playing in those games and just getting kicked yeah to work through it. What were those like? We're we're those games who was playing. Yeah we used to go to this Serbian church in I think it's San Gabriel town of Los Angeles. He's also about an hour north of where we lived and We didn't go to the church to go to church. We went to the church to play soccer so right behind the church there was this little field and it was about the perfect size for sixty six and so my dad would put together a team of basically weekly me my brother and our other like talented friends from southern California and we would play against the men and so the men were all these like Serbian ex professional national players who now lived in La they probably in their late forties or fifties and yeah they would kick the shit out of us. Probably you know twelve L.. Thirteen fourteen. I started getting really good and you know. Then they started kicking me a little bit harder. Nobody wanted to lose. And so those were fun but they were actual battles adults and they were good for me. I think as a player and I learned a lot playing against guys that were much bigger and stronger than how did you know you were good. When did you know and how did that? Change your sort of mindset toward the sport you you said at nine I wanna be a pro and a lot of nine year old. Kids WanNa be pros. Not many go on to be pros. I don't know I had something inside me ever since since that time but but I even when I was four or five and I played away so I felt like the game came easy to me I just understood it. I don't know my dad always pushed me to to work really hard and and go. Oh after what I wanted to do. He came to the states and You know made a really nice life for himself and he left every morning. Before I was even awake to go to to go to school. He'd come home at seven o'clock at night. The need ask if I wanted to go to the park and practice penalty. Kicks or free kicks or anything like that so I think I just looked at him and got that that hard working mentality from him and then I dunno after the World Cup in ninety four. I just felt like I had something special and I wanted to do that. Unfortunately I never made it to a World Cup but but I just kept pushing myself with a lot at a training and and I also had an older brother who was a great player to look up to play with him and plan some of his teams over the years. You think about your child and what you may be. What from him? Whether it's just loving the game game or being a pro is very early for those things. People like to talk about how we can create the next generation of honestly Sasha questions how do you think parents should should think about that when they have young kids. Who Love the game or they're hoping to imprint the game upon them or they're hoping one day that maybe they're able to realize the dreams that they have? Yeah it's it's hard. I don't WanNa push soccer onto my son. I want him if he likes the sport to play it if I want him to do whatever he wants to do with his life and I'll be supportive so you know my dad really push for soccer and then you know. Fortunately you know my brother and I are still involved in the game and we. We love it very much. He works for the La Galaxy. And I'm a player still so I think he's gotta gotta be proud of that because he loved the sports so much and we still work in the sport but you know I'm not gonNA push it on my son to to play the game or or do whatever he wants to do if he wants to play I'm going to support him and I'll push him as much as I can but my wife and I always joke around and I've always thought about me in my career path that I went to college and then I played an mls and then I eventually went to Europe and so maybe I was a little bit behind by the time I got to Europe. Some of the eighteen year olds or so that we're at Anderlecht that were coming up through the academy and they had been basically groomed to be a fulltime pro. You know I was in college when I was eighteen to three month season and I don't regret it at all all because I love college now is the best time in my life but I also think about my son if he did become a serious player and he got to be fifteen sixteen seventeen and was really good would i. Would I want to push him to maybe move to Europe and get into an academy there or if you could sign a first team dealer or what the path would be like or if I would push them to go college or stay in the states. I don't know it's interesting and it's interesting to think about how soccer could change over the next fifteen years especially here at home but you know I i. I love my path and I enjoyed every minute of it. How is it different? Now as you're in in clubs and you see the red bulls especially guys graduate through that pathway at a younger age age versus where we were take me back to you being fifteen or sixteen you wanted to be a pro. How did you see that path? How did you think okay I can? I can accomplish this in this way. I think the the the route that I went was that I had to go to college and I had to prove myself and then my dream was to be called by the under twenty national team. which I I was after my freshman year at Seton Seton Hall and then I thought okay if I can keep pushing this that I could get a generation Adidas contract and leave school early because that was my goal and at that time the most money you could make a young guy and mls was if you had a generation that he does contract if you came out after your senior year you were most likely getting the minimum deal and so that was my path? And that was what I pushed for his heart. As I could and then I thought about about leaving after my sophomore year but the offer from the League was not a good enough financially. I think so. I did one more season Seton Hall and after my junior year I left and that was the pather Cather me back then. The Path is much different. Now I think I I look at the academy teams in in. You know my brothers at the galaxy and so I train there in the off season then I see the academy kids who go to high school now at Stubhub Center Dignity Sports Health Park. Whatever it's called now and you know they? They're in a professional environment. They train with each other. Some of them live with each other They go to school together. It's it's it's maybe a little bit different for them socially but the opportunities that they have are ten in times greater than the opportunities. I had to the draft day leading up to it. Yeah just go to Chievo. USA rest in peace. There were good times there. There were bad times for chess. Fortunately I was there for all the good times Yeah I mean I was there for four and a half years. I made the playoffs. The first I four seasons and then I left halfway through that fifth year but draft day was crazy so I didn't play at the combine because I did not want to get drafted in the top four and I was really hoping to get drafted number five by then the New York New Jersey Metrostars. So I've been going to Seton Hall. They had the number five pick. I met with them before the draft. They promised me that they'd pick me at number five. If I were still available and I was ecstatic because I love New Jersey and I wanted to stay there at that time and then right as the draft happened right before the first pick the metrostars traded the first pick on achievers had the first pick they traded the first pick the metrostars for the fifth. Pick a player to be named later so then I got through the next three picks after that and she picked me. I was very happy. You Know Bob had been the coach of the metrostars the season before I had trained with Bob a little bit at the metrostars while I was still in college so I've gotten to know him a little bit and then I was just excited for a chance and then it got to me that I was moving home also so And then stop it all off. I walked off stage from the draft and Bob was like we traded for Jay Hernandez who had been the guy who hosted me on my college trip to Seton Hall. Guy was still living without the time while he was a rookie at the metro stars. So I couldn't have worked out perfectly and then then I get into preseason with chiefs and it's a rebuilding teams teams which is perfect for a young guy to come in and play and then I got Super Lucky during preseason that Ramon Ramirez Mexican legend I think he was thirty seven at the time. I think he tore is a C.. L. In preseason and he missed the whole year so I- slotted into his spot next Jesse Marsch in midfield and played every game my rookie year. which is all you can ask for as a rookie and I the rest is history? A couple of names there that have a big influence on your career going forward. It's both Bob and it's Jesse. In a couple of different ways. Jesse is a player and then a coach and Bob as a coach including with the national team. When you got into that team and you started to play under Bob and see who bob was and what he was about help us understand Bob at that time because he has evolved? But he's he's always been Bob. Yeah he's always been very demanding which is something that I love out of coaches and something that I've always thrived under He helped me a lot talking about body positioning and setting myself up and being harder to play against and making plays in tight areas all the stuff that he's still preaches today when I see l.. AFC play and how good that their midfield is. That was the idea back then and so bob just pushed me and pushed me and and I loved every minute of it I it was it was awesome and then the team. I'm had so many older guys that were you know. Good guys good leaders. Good mentors for me really good players to look up to. So you know I had Claudio Suarez and Paco Palencia and Jesse Esi Marshon Ontario's off and those were probably the main guys. I learned a lot from in my first few years as a pro. One of my favorite Jesse Marsch moments is the BECCA moment. I would love to hear your perspective on that moment and if people have home haven't seen that one they got into a little scrap and Jesse Jesse was about it which should prize no one. No no so. I had watched Jesse lot growing up and getting to be his team mate. You know he's not a big guy and Beckham's not a big guy either so these two who little skinny dudes just kicking each other and then getting each other's face and you know their lips were so close. They are about to kiss and nobody was really going to do anything. But Jesse look like a beast. In that moment I think key love that moment secretly out not secretly. I think it's probably more publicly. Love that moment. Was it like to have the dichotomy though you're in you're in the same training facilities as the galaxy chief us and you guys were successful but there still is this feeling of like fancied and fancied what did that do to sort of the relationships between the two teams as you see each other but also the way you guys viewed yourselves. Yeah it was a little bit weird because you know our locker rooms. Were you know they weren't that close to each other. But we shared the gym and so there were moments where okay. We had the gym from noon to one and then from one on they were coming in and so it was like you know we would cross over with few guys and everybody was friendly with each other and I had friends is on the team that I had played with. Maybe on the under twenty's and stuff like that so everybody kind of got to know each other and and most of us players all lived in the South Bay area to in La and so we we saw each other out all the time and we were friendly but those games that we played against each other they felt like a bloodbath but other than that everybody seems to be cool and and it was. It was a little bit bizarre. Czar and that first year I mean my whole time. They're pretty much. We were better than them. At that moment. They were in a really down period. I think of their their Club but that first year we just couldn't beat them and then after that I think the second season we finally beat them I think we beat them twice three zero in the second season and that was like a really good feeling because we always felt I think like the little brother and the stadium. We were renting the stadium. They were the you know the biggest club in mls and all that so some really good games over the years. A lot of my favorite memories as achieve US player were games against the galaxy. Tell me about as you progress and you become a star in this sleet in many ways and I still remember the the sort of iconic like curling shot cutting in that you would have. That was do those days over the original sort of I've got turned onto the league and was like. Oh my God what is this and then I remember the interest in is Sasha Question GonNa go. Is he going to go to Europe. What's going to happen with them? What was the progression like? You know maybe even from the first inklings of This this might happen all the way to the actual moved Anderlecht. Yes so I think the interest probably started around my third season which was two thousand and eight. I think yeah I think after my second season I had a good year. Then I remember going into two thousand eight you know Robbie Rogers is from Huntington beach also so we spent that whole off. Season Training. Together it was so funny because he he's an early morning riser. So that's going to be L. A.. Bit of a long story but he's an early morning riser and he would come over to. My house in our front door was unlocked and he would just walk right in and come up to my bedroom and like wake me up fleck five days a week and just be like come train quantico workout and it'd be like dude it's eight o'clock and it's the off season like let me sleep for another couple of hours but anyway we would go and we'd play like one on on one soccer tennis and we would do fitness and we would do finishing drills and we told each other that year like this year like the Olympics are coming up. We've got to play in the Olympics. We've got to both be best eleven seven this year and then we're both going to move to Europe and we ended up both having really amazing seasons who housing eight playing in the Olympics. We both ended up being best eleven. I think they. They won the championship that year at at the STUBHUB center in La or Home Depot Center or whatever it was called back then so really just like an awesome year for us. And then that's when all the interest started to come at that same time there were a couple of big teams in Mexico that we're interested in me. I think it was Santos and Pachuca and at that moment I wasn't interested in going to Mexico at all. I just had my sights set on Europe Looking back I love all my time in Europe but playing in Mexico would have been something very cool. I think that I would have really enjoyed just growing up in southern California but anyway I think in two thousand nine at the last game of the season there was a playoff off game against Salt Lake and there was an agent from Belgium who had moved to L. A. to take a year off from working he took his family to la he lived in l.. A. And he would come watch galaxy and chivas games basically in his free time and he watched me play a bunch all season and at the last game of the season he called the vice president and general manager from Anderlecht and said you gotta come to La. You GotTa Watch this kid play so I played Salt Lake. I scored in the playoff game. Unfortunately we lost and we were knocked out but you know he called my dad he got in touch with them. Somehow and the next today we went to the Beverly Hills Hotel and sat down and met with the the GM and the vice president of Anderlecht. Like we want to buy you. We want to bring you over the Max we've ever paid for a player in the transfer fees about three million euros. So that's the Max offer and I was I get. I can't see us not taking that a young guy. They're not paying me that much and I want to go to Europe. They said they'll help me so they made the offer. I think Jesus came back asking for like five million or something like that and it just didn't work out and so the start of the two thousand maybe ten season. I was very disappointed that this didn't work out. And I remember that was a really down period of my career but whatever fast forward two thousand ten middle of two thousand ten I get I go to the World Cup camp BEFORE THE THOUSAND TEN WORLD COUPLE TRAINING IN PRINCETON NEW JERSEY. And you know right before the team leaves. I'm one of the I was one of the last guy that was let off the off the roster. So I didn't go to the World Cup and I was bummed out out and probably probably four or five days later. My agent called me and was you know like Andrew lucked is still interested and now that you're six months out of contract they wanna buy you now. I think you can get you much cheaper and so I was like. Yeah I'm I'm I'm so open and we worked out the deal super fast and signed with Anderlecht. Probably three weeks later got on a flight moved over there. My girlfriend came soon after and then the rest is history. We didn't had a great career there. I do want to dig in real quick to that moment in twenty ten Because there is the connection with Bob there and this is is the first professional coach for you someone really shaped you and then you have the dream Kinda heard the little tinge in your voice early on like the regret guide just didn't quite make it to the World Cup. What was that like? That was probably the hardest moment of my career Jesse Marsch was also an assistant coach on that team and I had been in and out of the national team in in maybe late. Two thousand nine early two thousand ten. Bob Brought me back in. I think there was a friendly game in February area scored a good goal against El Salvador in the ninetieth minute to win the game. So you know. I put myself back into contention that was for sure and I met with Jesse before the World Cup up camp started and he just said listen. Give everything you can you can. Only you can only do as much as you can do. And in the end the choice is going to be out of your hands. It's going to be Bob Choice and whether he brings you or not just know in your heart that you gave everything and training so I did that and I worked super hard and in the end I didn't make it and it sucked. That was the hardest part of my career for sure but fortunately like I said like one. Close another door open. But yeah that sucked and I got to talk to Bob after we played L.. AFC Last season in L. A.. And I just you know. I thanked him for everything. He's done for me in my career and he hugged me right away and said like you know I know missing. The World Cup was really hard art for you but you bounced back like immediately because the next camp after the World Cup he brought me back in and I was in with the national team with Bob Basically until he got fired so I feel like I responded really really well to that moment which I've done for my entire career. How does how did he tell you? I mean that's the moment I have to imagine it's almost like slow-motion we hear all about Uragan in two thousand fourteen landon. But I'm always curious about that sort of moment like did you know was there a meeting called was like everybody was starting to the group was starting they get kind of cold and it was like. Oh God please. Don't let me get that text. Yeah it was it was. We played a friendly that night in Connecticut against the Czech Republic public. I started and I think I played ninety minutes with a bunch of other fringe guys that I think you know we were all kind of on the bubble and he was looking for something and I. I didn't play great to be honest so we got back to the hotel probably around midnight. I think we had a quick meal at the hotel. We went up to our rooms and we were all you know. I don't even remember who I was with but there were probably three or four of us in the room and we were just talking like are we going to make it. When you're gonNa tell us what's going to happen to do? Do I think I did it enough. And then I got a call from the team manager and she just said you know Bob Wants to talk to you downstairs and I was like. Oh Gosh I think this is the moment and so I went down and I walked in and the whole coaching staff was in there and they just kind of shook their heads and I was just like fucked and that was it man. Then you have to move von Pack my bags out the next morning I think I've fluted. DC from there to play against DC united. So the cool thing was my family had come to that game in Connecticut so my girlfriend and my parents and then they flew down to DC. With me to watch the game against DC united. which I think happened to be Andina harsh? First I game like as a rookie. Wow that's crazy cool. Yeah and he scored in that game and I was thinking. Who is this? This kid like scoring this diving header. And I think that was my last game as a chiefs player because then the deal started to happen with Andrew Jackson. I don't WanNA play another game and get injured so I got to play my last game in. DC I think with my family in the stands hands with my girlfriend watched Andy. Then you know helped bring Andy over to Anderlecht a couple of years later so pretty crazy how it all went down but you know is what it is is so you walk in the door to interact and we always hear about Sort of the culture in the cutthroat nature and maybe not disrespect disrespect but wariness for American players. You walk through the door in Belgium and and what so everybody at the club was very welcoming I'm the vice. President was the one who really wanted to bring me over So the the board the board was welcoming right away. The players were not so welcoming. I remember my first week of training. Camp showed up at one training at the end of that training facility and then we went over to Holland for like a ten day training camp and it was hard it was just off. You know nobody knew anything about American soccer. All they knew about really was gooch. Gooch was playing at standard liaised but that was Andrew lex biggest rival also. Nobody knew him personally. And the only other American player they really knew was Alexi Lalas from the ninety four World Cup three redhead guy with the goatee. That plays the guitar. And I'm like that's it's not who you need to know about an American soccer. There's plenty of good players so I really had to prove myself and that training the training camp was tough. If I just remember going back to my room about five or six days in where we had played like a a six V six little tournament and like my guide your will pass me and scored and I remember all my teammates. Just like yelling at me and I was just like damn. These guys are not welcoming out all its cut-throat and I was like I gotta prove myself. I'm like as soon as they see that. I'm like starting caliber player. And I'M GONNA make a difference in the team like then they're going to respect me and and it took me a while. It took me like two months to really break into the team and kind of earned the respect of all my teammates and I think the coaching staff as well once I finally did it was the best move in my career. The favorite club I've ever played out in my career really has a special place place in my heart. I think maybe Americans and other people do. Belgium doesn't biggest league in a row. We don't see it on our TV's every single week try to explain what intellect means means what it is. What does the ethos the sort of like the culture the VIBE? The heart of the club is yes. So Anderlecht core is a family club it had been owned owned by the same family for probably seventy five years He recently sold the club. You know he's getting a bit older. Now his name was Rochet Vanden stock. Who owned the club? While I was there and and a lot of people that work for the club had worked for the club for thirty forty years so they were super welcoming to me and my family but then again from the outside Anderlecht is the New York Yankees of Belgium or the Los Angeles Lakers. They're by far the biggest club in the country. They by far have the most fans spread out all over the country. As even though we're from Brussels so it was a bit different everywhere I went people knew who I was right away. You know people stopped me and you know asking for photos IOS and talking about the club and everything and all that so it was a big deal and there was a lot of pressure because not only were they count on to win the championship. Every year you were counted on to win the championship up in style and so to play good football and to entertain the fans and to win big when you played at home so the pressure was always there no matter what and and and my first season was a bit difficult we finished third. I think which is a failure of a season at Anderlecht so that was tough coming back in for the second season and then we won three in a row so it was awesome. Awesome News really the best part of my career. If I remember right you sort of transition a little bit as a player and Melissa. We'd very much. An attacking player could defy boxed the boxes well but when you moved back in the field as a player. Had you evolve there. I think I got better. You know tactically and a little bit more defensively. We had so many talented players at Anderlecht. Where when I was at Sheva from about my second or third year on I was really counted on to make a lot of attacking plays? Can I got Anderlecht. Ender lacked and we had so many good attacking players that it was like all right. Well we need somebody to do a bit of the dirty work and obviously I can run all day and I was covering you know. Twelve thirteen kilometers every every single game. Picking up a bunch of fifty fifty winning headers getting the ball down. You know giving the ball to the feet of guys like Matt Suarez and embarked Sufa and Roma Lulu Koku who who were just putting the ball in the back of the net so like I said so many talented guys. We needed somebody to partner with this Guy Lucas Big Lia in the midfield. He's Argentine. WHO PLAYS AT AC Milan? Now in him and I just formed this partnership that for three and a half four years we played almost every game together in the midfield and we were. We were the best duo in Belgium and we were just making it work work and the guys in front of us were getting the job done and it was just winning after winning. After winning it was awesome. How did you feel in that moment? After the disappointment after the tough star after a tough first season season Nafta imagine like you know. That's like your Creston. You're you're just vote. Every day is a good day. Felt yes so you know. Winning is is always winning is always what you play for but I can remember looking back on like my first season at us just looking at the end of the season and being like wow like. I'm just I'm so thankful that I played every game this season and I got better so my first season at Anderlecht like that too. I remember in the off season just being like I played like seventy five five percent of the Games now but I'm GONNA go back. This season really established myself and being every game starter and now it's about winning again and so yeah that I remember for the start of that second season just just playing. The start of the second season was right after the two thousand eleven Gold Cup so I played every game with the gold. Cup of the gold. Cup didn't end until July. And then I had three weeks off after that so I showed up to Belgium. Maybe five days before the start of the season so I didn't start start. The first game of the season and I was kind of disappointed but I also understood because I had missed all the preseason basically wall while getting some time off after the national team and we lost a way I think two to one to a team that had just been promoted from the second division so Lucas bigly had also kind of showed up late to to preseason and the two midfielders that started that game they were out and Lucas and I came back in for the second game of the season and we went on a winning streak and we literally played almost every game for the rest of the season so things kind of worked out perfectly but yeah going into that second season I was just I was ecstatic to be there and to really establish myself and try to win titles couple of them. What are the celebrations like when Enderle winds? What's the city like what's the team like? What's the club like? What's your experience like? How does it change your life? It was amazing it was the first time in my career where you put so much effort into something and it all comes at the end of the season. It's almost like this giant sense of relief and pride and accomplishment so and it happened in crazy fashion the first time I think we had two games left in the season we were playing club. Bruges at home which is a big rival of ours and we just needed a tie to win the title. Well and we were losing one zero the whole game in the ninety fifth minute we brought down for a penalty and so we've got a penalty basically two. There's literally no time left. Make the penalty and we're champions and my buddy guillaume. Gla slides it in and just went crazy. I I just remember going nuts. We got the trophy like almost immediately and the fun thing about Anderlecht. Every time we won the title we went to the same nightclub and the GM would always come at the beginning of the night and he'd by this giant bottle of ACE's spades. He's like one of those like thirty liter the magnitude yes the port over your shoulder and so we got that and you know we were drinking partying you know. All our wives were were there down on the field of US first and then we went to the nightclub and yeah it was awesome. What a great feeling and then the fans I I remember the I mean you see this with a lot of guys but I remember the chance remember the USA chance? I remember when you left and they honored you on the field. was that relationship like what made it special. Do you still feel that love from them. Yeah I still probably I I. I'd say probably like more than half of like my twitter and instagram followers are all from Belgium. A lot of them. Try to you know a lot of them. Keep in touch and send messages and they were especially happy when I moved to Orlando 'cause I was going to be wearing purple again. So they I think they feel connected to me at Orlando a little bit But they were awesome. Awesome awesome to be in a place that I was the only American playing in the entire league so any American flag I saw in the stadium that was for me that that that person brought at that to to show support for me so I remember at a certain point Some people were bringing California flags and my wife would sit in the stadium and after the game. She'd be like I literally counted like twenty-five American flags in the stadium today. Like how amazing is that So that part was really special. The people of Belgium I've had a special connection with it's a small country and and they're great people and the neighborhood I lived in you know we went back last off season. We brought our daughter back who who had been born there. We showed her where she he grew up for the first year of her life. It's just a special place that I think we'll go back to every so often for the rest of our lives stopped in the butcher butcher shop. That's the CLICHE. I can't even buy cutlet without getting its funding from. It's funny because there was a little little grocery store that my wife and I used I used to shop at and the two guys that ran the grocery store. We're just giant Anderlecht Fan so every time we went in it was talking about the game on the weekend and talking about the next game the following weekend and it was an interesting time last off season when I went back to Anderlecht because Rochet van stock had just sold the club to this new guy and the club was changing a lot and a lot of fans were not happy and so I got to the airport in Brussels and we went through customs and as he looked at my passport he was like Whoa. We haven't seen you in awhile. Welcome I'm back you. You're going to see the club. It's not the same as when you left it. Because they haven't won the title in a couple years either and things are changing. And so every person I saw in Brussels was just like wow welcome. Welcome back like I can't believe you still follow us and I'm like dude I I'm going to be here forever. This is my club. They brought me down on the field to do like the first kick before the game and the USA chance we're coming coming back and that was just a special moment for me and my wife and kids so you have this connection in just the league. You get to play Champions League too because when you win the league that's what happens. What's it like to hear that that anthem? It's something that not many American players get the opportunity to do. Yeah that was amazing. My very first game in Champions League was that a C Milan and so I remember telling my wife because she came to the game I was. I cried when when we're walking out onto the field and they play the champions the anthem. Just make sure you get like a whole two two-minute video record this. This is GonNa this. We're going to watch this forever. I'm like I've never watched back but I was like you. GotTa get this like champion Champions League anthem like on recording. Because this is this is the moment but a funny story while not so funny. It was devastating at the time we won the title in two thousand eleven and so or two thousand eleven twelve going into two thousand twelve so winning the League in Belgium at that time and and I think you still get an automatic spot in Champions League in the group stage and so I come to New York straight from Belgium when my season ends for my Bachelor Party to have my Bachelor Party here in New York and while we're here on my Bachelor Party Champions League final for that season is about to be played and so me and my buddies we all go to watch the game at some bar around here. And it's Chelsea Chelsea against Byron Munich and Chelsea had finished fifth in the Premier League that year and champion a UEFA. Change the rule that you're that if because Chelsea finished fifth if Chelsea Elsie Win Champions League final they'll be in the group stage next season and if they do that Anderlecht gets dropped out of the group stage and they have to go through qualifying and Drogba or Robin misses a penalty or drug bust scores like in the last second to put in overtime. And I just. I was just rooting against Chelsea so hard because I was like now we have to go through qualifying qualifying and that's hard. It's there are some games. That are just tough so Chelsea winds of course and I'm like is is ruining my bachelor party. Now I gotta go back early to Anderlecht. ACT WE GOTTA get ready for Champions League qualifying but fortunately we we made it through qualifying group stage so I got asked about this Latin story. It's the famous one twenty thirteen trash talk ark with now the L. A. Galaxy Star. Just kind of go front to back for me here is through it. Why said this to the other night so this was in two thousand thirteen? We played the first game against pse at Anderlecht Ann's Latin scored three goals in the first thirty minutes of the game. The third of them was the belter that goes up review. That's like Oliver Instagram. All the time And our crowd gives him a standing ovation. And I'm just like what is going. We're cheering for this guy. Now of course he scored Patrick's unbelievable but like I I was so mad and then the second half scored a fourth goal and they beat us like five one at home so we go to. PS G. and. I'm just like I can't stand this guy like he uh he he he he kicked our butts like whatever. It was six weeks ago and he tackles me Kinda hard or I tackle him and he gets up in my face face. And he's like what is this. What is this on your face this mustache so ugly and I was like you're talking to me about my my mustache? The knows that big and he was like who's talking about knows who's talking about those and I think he was very sensitive about his nose. I mean I've got a big nose to his bigger but Yeah that was it. It's kind of just become this thing after him and I have never talked about it ever since I mean. What's there to talk about this player that you haven't got rid of the mustache surprise you stuck with it? That's your style. What's up yeah? He probably doesn't even know who I am he's like. Who is this guy the guy with the mustache wearing a Purple Jersey? What are you know? So let's talk about major league soccer before I let you go here and Jesse Marsch does she come full circle. You go to the Red Bulls. You guys have some incredible seasons and I heard you Sam billion saw that you wanted to be a coach and maybe not soon you also want to put their forty and that's six years from now and UH. I'm very curious to see if you can do that. Emmy to rooting for you on that. One thanks Jesse Marcie coach. Go into Red Bull. What do you see? What do you feel his sort of profile? His place in the American soccer world is placed in soccer overall has grown so much since then. Yeah you mean. He was one of the major reasons why I came to New York Mark. Him and I kept in touch over the years. You know Always had remained friends. Always talked about soccer always talked about different things and so when he got the job he reached out immediately and wanted to bring me wanted to buy me basically and bring me back in and saw the That I would be an important part of his team so he convinced me right away. I didn't need that much convincing. It kind of came at a time when Anderlecht was going through a transition and he brought me back back in and we had a great three years together and I think he's an amazing coach. I mean we've all seen this video. That's Gone Viral of him coaching Salzburg now in the Champions League at halftime against Liverpool. And the way he motivates guys the way he thinks about the game the way he pushes the game the way he pushes the players every day. You know I I like to be pushed. And so he he was definitely a big influence. And I think if I can have a lot of success in early in my career as a coach like he has you know I I'd be very I'd be doing a very good job. I think I think one of the things that sticks out to me with him is not like the tactical google stuff. It's not the unfilled stuff. It's the understanding. Psychologically of how you motivate people not players people. How did he motivate you? You say you like to be pushed will how I think he just put a lot on my shoulders and said look you know a lot of this is going to depend on you. A lot of our success is going to depend on you and I wanted that and I needed needed it and I thrived off it while also while also making me feel like I was the best player in the League. So it's a lot of pressure when someone says look the team's only go as far as you're gonNA take us But also he made it clear that that that was basically our plan and he made it clear that the guys listen. We're going to be some some tough games and there's GonNa be tough moments on the field where there's going to be turnovers but when you get the ball and you want to keep the ball. Give it to Sasha and so to have a coach say that to you and say that to the whole team I mean it does ah does wonders for your confidence. So I don't know if I ever felt more confident than the Times. I played for Jesse Marsch because he just made me feel like I was on top of the world. You WanNa be a coach. You look at what Jesse's accomplished. What Bob is accomplished both been trailblazers? What do you hope your coaching career looks like? What are you dream about when you think of that future for yourself? And how might you go about trying on to accomplish it. You know to be honest. I don't Really Dream about coaching yet. I still think I have a lot to give as a player I know. It's kind of been like a half joke half serious that I WANNA play until I'm forty you know I'm I seriously do. I don't know if I can make it that far but I wanNA play as long as I can so I do think that I have have at least a few more years left so I've started to think about coaching and ways just about you know how I would want my team to play in. What my training sessions would look like? But I. I haven't had a dream dream of like me standing on the sidelines in In in Manchester United Stadium coaching against them or anything like that. I don't dream about that dream about playing still I I really only I. I only dream about playing. I've got no no dreams of being a coach. I think that will change as I still get a little bit older. But like I've said I I'm I'm so focused on playing still at. That's most important. Bob Helped Jesse. Do you have any thoughts of like Hayward's Jesse going. I can be a good assistant coach. It's funny because Jesse texted me probably six months ago and was like hey. I heard a nasty rumor that you might want to be a coach. Excuse as me. So he's like come over and visit me in Salzburg and let's let's talk you know talk about stuff and I'm just like yeah I I'm definitely GonNa come visit you and I'm going to watch what you do and I'm going to take notes. It's I don't know if I'm going to do it this off season. I might wait another year or two but I know he's definitely going to be a mentor for me going forward in the coaching world. We'll see what the future holds. Sasha question more story time it's been a pleasure man congratulations on your career so far maybe six years however many however many many of the body the mind and everything nothing else holds up. Thanks for joining us. Thanks so much man look.
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He was seriously considering leaving the order. He just didn't know how he feared that his leaders would respond with violence in the fall of nineteen Eighty-four Martinez. Found his already shaky loyalty tested. He was about to stand trial for using counterfeit cash, which he'd gotten from the order he'd remained tight-lipped during questioning but the day before his trial. His lawyer delivered some bad news the FBI had secured his phone records. And they knew his friends had been involved in a number of armored car robberies out west Martinez. Chances of a light sentence were looking less likely with every hour. Our all night Martinez agonized over what to do if he testified against the order he'd risk violent backlash. But if he stayed silent he'd go to prison protecting a cause he wasn't sure he believed in anymore. The next morning minutes before his trial began Martinez told his lawyer that he wanted to speak to the prosecuting attorney. He announced that he knew who killed radio personality. Alan Berg in exchange for a reduced sentence. He would tell the FBI everything. One death can change the world. At least that's what assassins believe every week. We examined the famous assassins of history, and the men and women who were assassinated, welcome to assassinations. I'm your host Bill Thomas, and I'm your host, Kate Leonard. This is our second episode on Alan Berg radio host who was killed by a white supremacist group known as the order at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help us. We also now have merch head to park casts dot com slash merch. For more information. Susan Allen lived in an apartment building Denver, Colorado, coincidentally the same building as local radio host Alan Berg on June eighteenth, nineteen Eighty-four she was having a quiet night at home catching up on her chores on her way to the laundry room at nine twenty one PM. She heard gunshots. She ran back to her bedroom. The gunfire sounded close, and she was afraid intruder had broken into her building. After a few minutes when Susan didn't hear anymore gunshots. She crept out of her room and called her boyfriend Charlie McDowell, she told him. I heard a terrible noise. I think something's wrong McDowell rushed over as soon as he pulled into the driveway. He saw Alan Berg lying face down on the pavement a bag of spilled groceries and still lit cigarette on the ground beside him at nine thirty eight PM MC. Ouled called nine one one. When the first police officers arrived on the scene at nine forty pm Burg was already dead, given the brutality of the murder and the bullets that could have only come from a machine gun. They knew that this was no ordinary mugging the automatic gunfire coupled with Berg's reputation as a left-wing agitator painted a clear picture for the police Burgh had most likely been assassinated by a right wing terrorist group. They just didn't know who the news immediately made it to the media shortly after ten pm Rick barber. The news reporter for KOA radio announced Ellen Burg has been shot. The Denver police department confirms he's dead. The hosts deejays and producers KOA were shocked to learn of their colleagues sudden and violent death. Another host Ken Hamlin broadcast for several hours after the regular end of his evening show struggling to process, the news in less than twenty four hours. Alan Berg's murder was headline news across the nation in Florida. Tom leykis of w n w s a radio host with an abrasive style. Similar to Berg's addressed his audience by saying this kind of intimidation is not gonna work. And there is not a chance I'm going to soften my opinion fearing copycat crimes the police met with Denver radio personalities to give them advice on handling stockers or threats KOA hired security to protect the rest of their host from attack early in the investigation, the police identified David lane an order member who was the getaway. Driver as a person of interest, though, they couldn't locate him and Colorado. This news made its way to the media to for much of the public. This was the first they'd heard about militant white supremacist groups operating in the United States gnawed long after the murdered. Alan Berg, Robert Matthews and Bruce Pierce resurfaced at the order's headquarters in Medellin falls, Washington. David lane had gone in the other direction heading to Philadelphia to lay low the assassins had agreed to deny any involvement with Berg's murder. Even when they were among fellow order members. Several new recruits had already expressed discomfort with the idea of assignation and Matthews had claimed he abandoned that violent element of his six step plan. Now he had to maintain that lie to avoid a revolt. Unfortunately, Matthew's failed to follow his own rules. Just a few days after the assassination on June. Twenty-second nineteen Eighty-four Matthews showed off newspaper clippings about the crime to a group of order members and announced quote, well, buddy, we shot him read this at least one of the members in attendance. Randall Rader was deeply disturbed by Matthews attitude. He'd been assured that the group wouldn't commit any killings when he voiced his concern Matthews simply shrugged and walked away two days later on the other side of the country, David lane visited a fellow order member named Thomas Martinez at his home in Philadelphia. Lane. Also bragged about the assassination saying quote, hell, man. I was the God damn getaway. Driver Martinez was repulsed by lanes bragging. He too had been promised that the order wouldn't assassinate anyone after hearing that confession Martinez just wanted to get lane out of his house. But I they had business to take care of after the orders unsuccessful first foray into counterfeiting and experience counterfeiter had joined the team since then they're fake bills had become much more believable. In addition to using the counterfeit money to finance their operations the order. Hope they could flood the market with enough cash to devalue the dollar and destabilize the economy to that end lane. Brought over thirty thousand dollars in counterfeit small bills for Martinez to spread around town lane told Martinez he should pass the bills out of state. So they couldn't be traced back to him Martin. Tina's accepted the cash, but he had other plans. He was going to use this money to skip town and leave the order for good. Four days later on June twenty eighth Martinez used one of the counterfeit ten dollar bills to buy a lottery ticket at a nearby. Convenience store at the time. The cashier didn't notice anything odd and Martinez. Went home confident that he'd gotten away without rousing any suspicion, but that night while closing out the store the cashier identified a ten dollar Bill as counterfeit the next day Martinez returned to the same convenience store and tried to buy another lottery ticket with a counterfeit ten this time the cashier noticed he looked up and shouted. Hey, you're the guy that gave me that counterfeit money yesterday. I'm calling the cops Martinez was no criminal mastermind. He panicked. Ran out of the store and got in his car. The cashier wrote down the make model and license plate number of the car. Then called the police later that day Martinez returned to the convenience store and tried to. Plane that he hadn't known the ten dollar Bill was counterfeit. The cashier didn't buy it. He told Martinez. He'd already spoken with the police once he got back home Martinez called lane and begged him for help instead lane flew into a rage. That Martinez would be so reckless spending the money in his own neighborhood instead of crossing state lines like he'd told him to Martinez replied, quote, look, man. I ain't going to argue with you. I'm getting rid of the rest of it. I'm through finally he had a clear opportunity to leave the order, but it was already too late that night right after he'd finished dinner with his family police burst into Martinez home. In addition to the convenience store clerk, the secret service had heard reports of counterfeit tens from bankers all over town, all traced back to Martinez at this point. The police thought Martinez was just a small time independent counterfeiter March. Tina's didn't dispute this during questioning he was afraid of what the order might do to him. If he talked and even more afraid of taking the rap for the murder his organization had just committed. That was just the tip of the crime iceberg. A few weeks later on July nineteenth the order staged. What was then the largest armored car robbery in US history. Robert Matthews and a team of order members pulled over their pickup. Trucks on the side of the US one one freeway near you, kayak, California. They knew an armored car filled with cash was scheduled to pass at eleven fifteen that morning for car was behind schedule. They waited for almost an hour. Then at noon, they saw approaching as the armored car. Drove by one of the orders pickup trucks pulled in front of it. Another truck drove right behind it at a bend in the road. The truck in front slammed on its brakes the moment, the armored car came to a stop men burst from both pick-up trucks guns aimed at the car's driver Matthews ordered the armored cars guards to get out. He fired his gun at the top of their windows driver and guards finally got out of the car and Matthews men. Unloaded bags of cash into their own pickup trucks. But they'd been overconfident about how quickly they could pull off the heist. Matthews had only allowed for five minutes to rob the car and flee the scene when the job still wasn't complete after seven minutes. He started to get antsy. He told his men it was time to go in his haste Matthews left behind some of the cash and the gun. He'd forgot he'd set down. He bought the gun legally under his own name. When police arrived on the scene. They looked up the serial number and immediately traced it back to Robert Matthews. The didn't yet realize that the man behind the armed robbery was the same man behind Alan Berg's murder, and before they could close either case, more blood would be shed. Coming up. We'll look at the standoff and trial that brought the order down. Now back to the story. When Allen Berg was murdered on June eighteenth, nineteen Eighty-four it immediately became a massive new story nationwide. As the police searched for the perpetrators every new breakthrough became a major story of its own even before they'd identified David lane as a person of interest police had immediately pegged bergh's killers as members of a white supremacist. Hate group. This was the first public indication that hate groups were equipped and ready to initiate a violent uprising independently of the investigation into Berg's murder. Police were also closing in on the order for counterfeiting and robbery. No one had put together yet that the group that had stolen nearly four million dollars in the past year was also the same group that had killed Alan Berg within the order, tempers, were flaring. Matthew sloppy mistake leaving his gun at the scene of a robbery had put them all. At risk. This didn't sit well with Bruce Pierce who'd previously been scolded by Matthews for getting caught with counterfeit cash. The hypocrisy was too much for him to ignore their conflict came to a head in the late summer of nineteen Eighty-four a couple months after Alan Berg's assassination Pierce went to Matthew's house with a plan to split the order into peers would run one cell and Matthews when run the other he claimed that splitting the group into smaller. Cells would increase security Nath us was understandably suspicious of Pierce's loyalty, but perhaps because of these very concerns he agreed to the plan the orders twenty or so members were divided into two separate organizations. This did nothing to stop police from fitting, the pieces of the puzzle together three and a half months after Berg's assoiation. They were finally about to find the link between the orders various crimes on October first nineteen Eighty-four order member. Tom Martinez made a deal with the FBI offering to tell them everything he knew about Alan Berg's murder in return for a lighter counterfeiting sentence. He told the prosecuting attorney Bucky man sui everything David lane had told him about the assassination. David lane had already been identified as a person of interest Martinez. Testimony confirmed the FBI suspicions finally drawing a connection between the order the robberies and counterfeiting on the west coast and Alan Berg's murder. Just one day later on October second Robert Matthews. First child was born a daughter named eminent. Matthews believe that white people had a moral imperative to reproduce. So that other races wouldn't outnumber them after years of trying Matthews and his wife were unable to have children. So instead Matthews turn to his mistress Zillah Craig Zillah opted for a home birth and during her nineteen our labor Matthews alternated between waiting at her bedside and running out to fetch food and supplies during one of his errand runs. The morning after Emmett was born Matthews noticed a man following him. Matthews had long feared that the sinus conspiracy was after him. They seem to have caught up with him at the worst possible time Nath us ran into his house where Zillow was nursing their baby. Then only sixteen hours old Matthews announced that design est conspiracy was tailing him and he needed to leave town immediately. He promised he'd returned soon to be a father to baby. Different Zillow was heartbroken. She didn't want her daughter to grow up without a strong area and father, but she believed in the cause and she believed in dangerous Jewish conspiracy. She do anything to protect Matthews. So just sixteen hours after giving birth Zillah got out of bed and got dressed in men's clothing acting as a decoy Matthews lean down to kiss his newborn daughter, then slipped out through the back door at the same time zilla walked out the front door hoping to distract whoever was tailing Matthews. It worked but the people tailing Matthews weren't part of Jewish conspiracy. They were FBI agents they closed in on Zillah while Matthews disappeared into the dust. He would never see his daughter again less than two months later on November twenty four th nineteen Eighty-four FBI agents, Arthur hanzel and Kenneth Lovin cashed in on the deal. They'd struck with Tom Martinez. They wanted to find out where Matthews was staying. And they suspected Martinez could lead them right to him. Matthews knew about Martinez arrest the previous June. But he didn't know that. He turned informant. Ironically in spite of all of Matthew's paranoia about a Zionist conspiracy. He trusted his own men without fail. They made plans to meet at a motel called the Capri in Portland, Oregon from the moment his plane touched down in Portland. Martinez was nervous. He knew agents Hensel and Lovin would tell him and he feared that his fellow order. Members would spot the tail and no he'd betrayed them. Robert Matthews and another order member. Gary Yarbrough had come to pick Martinez up from the airports as soon as Martinez got into their car. Yarbrough looked out through the back window and said he thought they were being followed Yarborough pulled out a gun Martinez. Didn't know if the gun was intended for him or for his tail, but neither possibility was good news for him Martinez thought this was the end, but they arrived at the Capri motel without incident and went up to Matthew's room for a chat during. His time on the run Matthews had remained in contact with the order, and he had big plans to continue his white supremacist revolution. He told Martinez that it was time for their next assassination Morris Dees was the target. These was a lawyer who had founded the southern poverty Law Center, which combated bigotry and hate groups. He'd been one of the orders top choices of targets before they settled on. Alan Berg Matthews had believed. These would be too hard to access since he always traveled with body guards. But after their success assassinating Burg Matthews fell boulder after they discussed the details. Matthews told Martinez to get some rest. They plan to meet at seven AM the next morning for breakfast before Martinez early flight back to Philadelphia Martinez returned to his room. Once he was away from Mathewson Yarborough. He slipped out to a payphone and called his F B I handlers. Martinez told them everything hid discussed with Matthews and where the order members were staying in the middle of the night Martinez awoke to his phone ringing. It was an FBI agent who ordered him not to leave his room before sunrise that morning. A swat team arrived at the Capri motel they evacuated everyone except Matthews Yarbrough and Martinez then got in position and waited for Matthews to leave his room. They had to wait until well after eight Matthews apparently didn't take his seven AM breakfast appointment, very seriously. When Matthews finally stepped out of his room. He saw an armed swat team member. Hiding behind a Bush Matthews drew his gun and fired. Then ran down the driveway agents hanzel and Lovin pursued him trading gunfire with Matthews Hensel took a bullet to his leg and Lovin shot. Matthews in the hand and the confusion Matthews jump defense and disappeared. Once he was sure he'd lost the agents. He hitched a ride out of town. He made it all the way to a safehouse. He'd already set up in Whitby an island off the coast of Washington state Nath you soon got word that Gary Yarborough had been arrested back at the hotel. He knew it was only a matter of time before the F B I closed in on him to he called. What was left of the order and told them to join him in Whitby? The orders. Final meeting was attentive, fair Matthews close call Yarbrough arrest and the arrest of few other members led many to believe their time was running out if Alan Berg's assassination had succeeded in starting a race war. They were shaping up to be the losers. Many of the men wanted to turn themselves in and make a deal for lighter sentences. Matthews didn't want to hear it. He had his men his anger and a full arsenal at his disposal. He said he'd rather dive and turn himself in a declaration. He'd soon have the opportunity to prove on December. Third nineteen Eighty-four a little less than two weeks after Matthews fled Portland. An anonymous member of the order called the F B I from a payphone. The person said quote, you're looking for Robert Matthews. He's here on Whidbey island. They've got a lot of weapons and ammunition here. Within days over one hundred and fifty F B I agents arrived in Whitby while they congregated and investigated the island. The order went on lockdown inside the safehouse plotting their next move. They deduced that Thomas Martinez had sold them out. They resolved to murder him though. They didn't get around to choosing date or method. There were more pressing matters at hand some of the men including Bruce Pierce and David lane thought it was best to flee would be island immediately and moved to another safehouse with Morris gape routes if the wa- closed in it was best to being the location that wasn't surrounded by water on all sides. Matthews wouldn't consider it if they were going down. They were all going down together in a final blaze of glory. This was the moment of truth Pierce lane. And a few other members left. They were off would be island before the F B I T. Was able to surround the safehouse Matthews remained in the house with a few of his devoted followers. They may not have realized just how soon their final showdown would be at seven AM on December seventh of swat team had the house surrounded. They ordered everyone inside Matthew's house to come outside. Eventually all of the men turned themselves in peacefully except Robert Matthews, even when the entire order had abandoned him. He insisted that he'd commit suicide before he turned himself in the swat team was ensure if Matthews had hostages, so they were reluctant to push. But by the next afternoon, Matthew still hadn't made a move the team through canisters of tear gas into the house hoping to drive Matthews out. He didn't emerge. Neither did anyone else. Now confident that Matthews was alone a team entered the house while they spread out across the ground floor. Matthews opened fire from the second level firing through the floorboards at the swat unit below they were forced to retreat that evening nearly two full days after the standoff had begun the swat team had had enough. They decided to fire 'em seventy nine starburst flares into the house hoping the flairs would ignite the building forcing Matthews outside at six thirty pm with fire trucks standing by the swat team fired the flares the cabin ignited smoke and flames spread through the house. The team waited for Matthews to emerge minutes past the flames spread to the second floor and still Matthews didn't leave the house after twenty minutes the cabin collapsed with Matthews still inside by now. There was no way. He could've survived the fire after the flames die down the swat team found Matthews charred corpse in what had been the houses bathroom with. The death of its leader the order collapsed. A number of men who'd been arrested during the standoff agreed to testify and led the FBI to other members who are still at large as the dust settled and the testimony piled up F B. I officials were shocked at the range and scope of the orders plans their strategic effort to bring down the US government was far different from the usual MO of white supremacy groups instead of pushing for tradition and ultra conservative reforms they wanted a full scale revolution. In nineteen eighty-five various US government agencies began a joint effort called operation. Clean. Sweep to investigate hate groups from nineteen eighty five to nineteen eighty eight. They targeted and arrested roughly one thousand active members of hate groups throughout the country as part of operation clean sweep five. Members of the order were charged with sedition, including Bruce Pierce and David lane moose Pierce of Aidid capture for nearly half a year using numerous fake identities on March twenty sixth nineteen eighty five. He contacted the male pickup service using a false identity. The police had already caught onto US marshals arrested him when he arrived at pickup his mail. David lane went off the grid after Matthew's death living in rural Virginia, but he remained in contact with another order member can laugh. He didn't realize that law had agreed to cooperate with the FBI as part of his plea bargain on March twenty ninth just three days after Bruce Pierce was arrested law floor David lane to a meeting where F B I agents were waiting to arrest him. Thanks to the orders numerous financial crimes. Its members were charged under the racketeer influenced and corrupt organization. Act. Also known as Rico all of the orders members were charged in the same trial, which listed sixty seven separate charges. Three hundred seventy witnesses testified and fifteen hundred pieces of evidence were introduced only one week of the three month trial was spent on Alan Berg's murder. The federal government spent millions on the Rico trial to avoid the cost of a second trial for Alan Berg's murder, which fell under state jurisdiction. The federal prosecutors instead charged the assassins with the federal offense violating Berg's civil rights. By the end of the trial in February nineteen Eighty-six. Bruce Pierce was sentenced to two hundred fifty two years in prison, David lane received one hundred ninety years nearly two years after Alan Berg's assassination. The order was officially no more. But they had left behind a legacy of fear and bloodshed that would shape America for a generation to come. Coming up. We'll take a look at the orders dark legacy. And what might have happened if Alan Berg hadn't been killed? Bill. Do you think we're alone in the universe? Do you think aliens, really exist? I'm not sure the existence of extraterrestrial life has captured our collective imaginations for generations, those who claim to have had encounters certainly believe what they saw. But what does the evidence show? That's a great question. And precisely what will be discussed on the par. Cast networks newest podcast extraterrestrial, our friends will examine these stories and analyze possible scientific explanations and determine what really may have happened. You can listen to the first episode on the abduction of Barney and Betty hill right now look for upcoming episode spotlighting reptilian humanoids and the nineteen seventy seven UFO invasion in Fort Benning. Georgia new episodes of extraterrestrial come out every Tuesday, be sure to search for and subscribe to extraterrestrial wherever you listen to podcasts, and please don't forget to rate and review. Now back to the story. While David lane was serving his one hundred ninety year prison sentence. He was drawn even deeper into white supremacist activism before his arrest lane had been published in numerous white supremacist publications, and he continued his writing throughout his time in prison. One of his works called the fourteen words was as one would guess of fourteen word motto for white supremacists. Quote, we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. A later followed this up with another fourteen words, quote because the beauty of the white area. And woman must not perish from the earth. He also published a list of eight precepts that was passed around among militant hate groups. Even after Lane's death in two thousand seven he's remained venerated an influential figure among far, right? Hate groups. The order never achieved their goal of creating a separate whites. Only. Nation. However, they did accomplish something that they hadn't anticipated with ample news coverage of Alan Berg's assassination. Robert Matthews dramatic standoff with police and their massive trial. The order achieved national recognition in nineteen Eighty-four when they killed Alan Berg the order only had twenty two members. Even though the group dissolved in nineteen eighty-five. Their notoriety grew exponentially their ideals of violent revolution, influenced many white supremacist organizations who followed in their footsteps. While previous hate groups were built around public demonstrations the order and its descendants operated in secret to accomplish larger goals as former order member Thomas Martinez explained quote, organizationally, the clan, the area nations among others have preached violence, but have always done so in a public way to attract members to keep them enthusiastic and keep them contributing money. The order, however, never engaged demonstrations. Quite the contrary it's instructions to its members were never to express their racist beliefs publicly from the beginning to the end, the orders goals were to be fulfilled through purely criminal means carried out in absolute secrecy, and quote prior to the orders founding in nineteen eighty three many white supremacist groups focused on maintaining American society. Easy as it was and resisting further progress towards civil rights and equality, but the order instituted a new era advocating for overthrowing the US government as a whole and rebuilding society to their own ideals. Many militant hate groups have implemented the orders methods of training their members with firearms and financing their activities through crime, for example, in nineteen eighty-seven a member of the area nations pled guilty to robbing banks in four separate states to fund terrorist activities like wise, Robert Matthews and the order were among the I hate groups to target federal buildings for bombing in nineteen Ninety-one, a Florida white supremacists. Attempted to blow up a government building in nineteen Ninety-three. Another white supremacist group plotted the bombing of several federal targets most famously Timothy McVeigh bombed the Alfred P Murrah federal building and Oklahoma City on April nineteenth nineteen ninety five. Killing one hundred sixty eight people all of these terrorists were inspired to some degree by the Turner diaries, the racist novel that Matthews model the order around as Morris diesel explained after the Oklahoma City bombing the orders militancy set a clear precedent for McVeigh's act of terrorism. Republished it in a book called the order and the turn dowries. And this was the this was the incident that these have been waiting for to start what they consider war. They consider MAG via soldier in the war. The orders acts of violence left a devastating legacy, but one of Burg hadn't been assassinated. What if the order had never gone through with their plans? What would the world look like today? We can reasonably assume that the history of far, right? Hate groups in America would have played out very differently. Hedberg not been assassinated, the order wouldn't have achieved the fame and notoriety. They did. And it's possible that. Militant white supremacy would never have achieved such visibility as for Allen Berg, he died right as provocative political radio became a mainstream phenomenon. Rush Limbaugh, a conservative radio personality began broadcasting in August of nineteen Eighty-eight while many liberal radio hosts also began broadcasting around this time few achieve the same level of notoriety as their conservative counterparts, perhaps if he'd survived Burg could have filled that void sparring with Rush Limbaugh on the Airways Burg was only the orders third choice of target. Let's take a moment to discuss how the world may have been different if Pierce lane and Matthews had murdered one of their top two targets Morris Dees or Norman Lear Morris Dees was a lawyer who founded the southern poverty Law Center in nineteen seventy one his work centered around filing lawsuits against hate groups when criminal charges failed for example. He successfully one suits against the KKK had these men assessing aided in nineteen eighty four instead of Alan Berg. He never could have overseen some of the southern poverty law. Center's most notable cases, he also wouldn't have developed the teaching tolerance program in nineteen Ninety-one a curriculum designed to educate students on equal rights issues. The other target Norman Lear was a television producer who made popular and progressive programs like all in the family good times and the jeffersons he left the TV world in nineteen eighty one. And founded a nonprofit called people for the American way, which advanced progressive causes like education and civil rights in nineteen ninety nine President Bill Clinton awarded Lear with a national medal of arts from Archie, bunkers, living room, and queens. Fred Sanford's dockyard and watch he is implored the power of humor in the service of human understanding his departure. From traditional two dimensional television. Characters was risky. It showed the enormous respect. He has for the judgment the sense in the heart of the American people if the order had assassinated Norman Lear instead of Allen Berg, he still would have left his television legacy, but Lear's extensive nonprofit work would have been left undone. Ironically, the orders top two choices of victims both demonstrated a greater inclination toward activism and social change than Alan Berg. While Burg agitated people he disagreed with on air. He wasn't an active social reformer the orders assumption that Burg was powerful figure mostly stemmed from paranoia and anti-semitism while Norman Lear and Morris Dees were both genuinely influential figures whose devs would have resonated throughout political spheres. There is one other alternate possibility if the order had opted not to assassinate Alan Berg. They might. Might not have assassinated anyone at all Robert Matthews had brought in several new recruits who expressed concerns about assassinations and before targeting Burg, he claimed he had Bandon his assassination plans if he'd kept this promise the investigation into Berg's death wouldn't have happened. But Matthews and Bruce Pierce still would have likely been arrested and prosecuted for their counterfeiting and robbery spree even for another crime. Matthew's arrest would likely have led the order to fracture and drift toward other white supremacy groups, but without the heavy, publicity and notoriety. The order gained from Berg's ascension. Those other groups probably would have remained small and fringe we wouldn't have seen the rise in militarization that spread through the far right in the eighties nineties. However, even if the order had never assassinated Alan Berg, it's unlikely that they would have refrained from any high profile killing for long. Matthews had already led his followers on a year long crime spree and had invested hundreds of thousands of dollars on weapons for their coming revolution. They were already into deep and to embroiled in hatred tobacco completely Allen. Berg lived his life, provoking agitating bigots, but his death proved to be the greatest provocation of all his assassination. Ironically served as a rallying point for violent extremism driving. Even more hate groups to action, Alan Berg's murder was a tipping point for far right activism, but the ripples at sent through culture could never have been intimidated by his assassins few could have predicted the impacts of talk radio host death. Likewise. We may never know what the world would have looked like if Alan Berg had lived. Thanks for listening to assassinations. You can find more episodes of SAS emissions as well. As all par. Cast other podcasts on apple podcasts. Spotify Stitcher, Google play or your favorite podcast directory. 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Guest Series: Vic Martinez - Founder Brandcrumbs Podcasting and Influencing
"Welcome to the hacking, your leadership series where we explore leadership and culture through the eyes of leaders around the world. That's right Chris. We hand selected leaders that we believe are positively influencing leadership in their industries. We sent them four questions. We think are important in gaining inside to the leadership beliefs and style. If you'd like to be part of the hacking, your leadership guests series, shoot us an email to guest at hacking your leadership dot com. Let's talk and now today's guest. Names Vic Martinez and you're listening to the hacking you leadership podcast guests series the most impactful leader mentor my life would have to be Mike Myers. A reported up to him in some way during my career Walt Disneyworld and he was always a shining example of what a true leader should be by just watching him and spending time with him. I learned that people should be taken care of instead of managed he taught me how to build effective teams and how to leverage people, skills and passions to get the best work out of them and best of all, he taught me how to own my mistakes and keep moving forward instead of dwelling on them. The first mistake meat is a leader of people might have been dermot first year as a Disney leader at. Disney. Most customers want to grow with the company and I assume that this personnel at down did as well long story short. I was trying to help them get out of their shell grow and apply to be a trainer. What I didn't do is get to know them better I or I. Would have learned that they didn't really want to be a trainer or teach people. They were perfectly happy as Kenny art is making caramel apples all day and anyone more responsibility in. Now focus on building relationships and really getting to know the person and more importantly their needs before I offer up any advice or offer help and career development. The difference between a good leader and a great leader simple. They care and they backup that care what action. I've been fortunate enough to be raised by amazing leaders I mean I was sixteen when I started with Disney our leaders were basically like my parents teaching me right and wrong every day. But my absolute favorite leaders were the ones who cared had empathy had natural emotional intelligence. One of my most favorite moments was when my dad came to visit me when I was an early cashier at Disney. He worked nights and weekends saw only got to see him a few hours a week and my leader remembered me sharing that with him months ago and confidence in he instead of telling me to go back to work, he said Hey Vick don't you go over data tour of the operation take thirty forty, five minutes. I thought I was going to get in trouble for for him being there, and and this leader decided to put me I in the operation second for about thirty, forty, five minutes. But that thirty forty five minutes was so impactful that I would work late or come in on my day off and and give him my best work. No matter what after that because of so indebted to. His kindness I don't have direct reports in my current role at NPR but I realize you don't need them to be a leader, a measure success as leader of people in developer talent by looking at attrition. If our client is leaving us then didn't see the value won't we offer, and that issue could be as simple as that were they think we're too expensive and when I hear that. I hear that they don't think we deserve to be paid that much for what they're cutting. So something's wrong. So work with many people to ensure that the client is taking care of sees the value of their purchase and continues to do business with us. Being in sales is really starts with me and it's up to me this at the right expectations and give my team the tools. They need to successfully onboard the client and when things go wrong on Yo on blame I just seek to understand entitles failures with a teachable moment and maybe add another bullet points at a checklist. Then I follow up to ensure it doesn't happen again and when it doesn't, I make sure to thank them I think this is a healthier way to work with others to accomplish the same goal. Again. My name is Vic Martinez. Please connect with me on link to him by going to Vic Martinez me this is the hacking, your leadership podcast guest series. Thanks for listening.
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News Minute: GoFundMe For Mother and Daughters Killed In Fire
"This is your news minute on the gwinnett. Daily post podcast. Today is tuesday february ninth. I'm kp edwards. A gofundme page has been set up to cover funeral costs for the mother and her daughters. That were killed in snowville mobile home. Fire over the weekend. Alexander diaz has launched a gofundme campaign to raise one hundred thousand dollars to cover the cost of a funeral for his wife isabella martinez and their daughters six year. Old alexa. four year. Old ashley in one year old ten yellow at the time of this recording over thirty seven thousand dollars has been raised for more information on this story. Visit gwinnett daily post dot com. I'm kp edwards for gwinnett daily post. Podcast this podcast is a production of bgi grew. Police like can subscribe wherever you get your podcast.
Introducing: The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos
"Is it possible to teach someone to be happier to take the latest science and apply our lives in a way that has real impact. I'm Dr Lori Santos as a professor at Yale. I was getting increasingly worried about the levels of depression and anxiety. I was seeing in my students so I decided to teach a new class on the science of happiness us. It's been a runaway success. It's changed not only my life but the lives of thousands of people who've taken it and my new podcast the happiness lab. I want to share all these insights with you. Through conversations with amazing people like figure skating legend Michelle Kwan dancing with the stars champion. Jr Martinez has and musician David Byrne. I'll show you simple but evidence based tips for improving your own wellbeing. You'll learn a bunch about the science of the mind but you'll also learn how how you can put that science into practice plus. You'll pretty much get an entire Ivy League class for free. Are you ready to feel better. Let me teach you how beginning September seventeenth the happiness lab brought to you by Pushkin Industries and available wherever you get your podcasts.
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How Universities Are Tackling The Spread Of COVID-19
"Universities are reporting hundreds of new coronavirus cases on their campuses and with no national guidance on how to handle outbreaks. Each school has had to devise its own strategy to keep these outbreaks. Check. The University of Alabama has opted to stay open for now even after hundreds of new cases were reported this week while the University of North Carolina sent most students home just days after the semester started. Following new outbreaks there to find out more about how universities elsewhere are handling the coronavirus pandemic. I'm joined by health reporters Christine Herman who's been covering the University of Illinois in Urbana Champaign and Sebastian Martinez, Valdivia at the University of Missouri in Columbia Welcome to you both good morning. Hi Rachel. So own a start with you Christine classes started this week at the University of Illinois, what's that school strategy? So the strategy here is mandatory testing for the krona virus. So the campus moved quickly to produce its own saliva based test. It was actually created by faculty scientists here, and it just received FDA emergency authorization and they're now doing more than ten thousand tests a day and the results come back within a day. So the Obama campus has about forty thousand students and so far they've found about three hundred. Positive cases, but that's what they predicted. They say it's mostly students who arrived already infected but just didn't know. So that's the strategy and administrators think it will clamp down on any spread that and the fact that seventy five percent of classes are online. Well, it's an amazing testing resume and how do people feel about it I mean when you talk to students and staff are they? Okay with US yet? I. Talked with say they're excited to just be back on campus and the really glad the university is requiring this twice a week testing. So if they go to a class, they're not left wondering is the person sitting next to me maybe infected and doesn't know it so Eliza Sarah less Larussa sophomore from Chicago and she thinks this might all work out I think we were all pretty scared that it was gonna be like another semester of staying at home. So I mean I think even though there are like online classes in it's definitely like A. Different Vibe I still think it's nice to be on campus and it's not just the testing. The university's really trying to enforce this. They've got people standing at the doors checking to make sure students entering class have a recent negative test result. You can either show it on a printout or an APP on your phone. So you'll see students lined up on campus outside of building six feet apart with their masks on and the people checking are wearing these t shirts with the letters w. s. a. on the back that stands for wellness support associate. Okay. So Sebastian, let's turn you what about at the University of Missouri what are they doing? It's pretty different. Administrators here aren't doing mandated testing of all students faculty and staff. They say it's just too expensive and they say it'd be really complicated. So you can get a test if you have symptoms but that's at the universities moved some classes online, but half of the classes are still. Happening in person and they've tried to focus in person classes on freshman. So they can still have kind of that Classic College Experience I met Freshman Isaiah Spelman, soon after his first to in person classes and he was pretty excited. It's just the atmosphere of seen like other students to and you can look around and give each other looks of uncertainty like we don't know what I'm doing. In, my apartment, it's just kind of me starting at the screen like but now at least I have someone to make contact with when I'm going through stuff. But a lot of people don't like it a lot of professors or worried about the health risks I'm some professors got to decide whether to move online teaching, but it really depends on your supervisor or your department. So you wear two hats in this conversation because not only are you a reporter covering all of this are also an adjunct professor at the University of. Missouri. So what does that been like what? What is teaching class been like? Yeah, it's been a little strange as a health reporter I've been covering Cova for half a year now. So I'm very aware of the risks I would have preferred to teach it online like I did in the spring when we shut down but I didn't really have that choice so like all. I was given a clear plastic face shield and that's for accessibility. So students who need to read lips can still see my face and my classroom isn't that big for twenty students but we've spread out the desks as much as possible and I'm just kind of realizing that have to adjust how teach used to really hands on teaching going over to students, desks, helping them with their computers, and I'm really having to do a lot of thinking on my feet now. That was Sebastian Martinez Valdivia from the University of Missouri and Christine Herman at the University of Illinois thanks to you both. Thank you Rachel.