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Ep 140: Everybody Has a Beauty Story
Yeah. It's time for scar. Everybody. Let's be energized because Justice over here clapping and messing up the levels. But also yawning, okay. Okay. I'm sorry. I was really really tired. Welcome. I'm fine. I'm just it's just I just meet elite chess. I just need a little assistance this evening. Okay. Well, I am going to teach all the people all the things while you things we're going to talk about today sponsorships with celebrities one in particular, which we haven't talked about yet. Even though it happened like two weeks ago, KENDALL and proactive discuss. Then we have fixes for flyways as in those tiny little hairs that somehow in the middle of winter are worse than ever and last up is sunscreen, the new margarine or maybe even as bad as cigarettes, not a rhetorical questions. Researchers have answers I wanna talk about it. And then I cannot wait to welcome. Our guest, the fabulous. The knowledgeable the forever multitasking, Michelle Lee editor in chief of allure. So Jen, I am not one to follow the Kardashian shenanigans. They're just they're not really they're not for me. Cow does leave it at that. They're not for me. But of you know, about a week and a half ago. Sorry late to the party Kris Jenner announced on Twitter that KENDALL. Jenner was brave and roll noble for sharing her most Ross story in order to make a positive impact for so many people it help foster positive dialogue. It was a testament to the incredible woman youth, become okay? A lodge has a mental health issue. That's what a lot of people thought. What was it? She she had a second a second tweet which had things like hashtag be the change. Share your story. Hashtag change the conversation. Everyone thought what you just said mental, you know. Yes. Shedded mental health mental was gonna share. With us. Right. Well. Terry into that. Her mother was teasing the fact that she is officially she's the official face of proactive. Why is that something to like be vulnerable about? Well. Okay, guys. I just got a couple of million dollars to use this face wash. So vulnerable I ever feeling. I don't know. I feel like you probably get more than a couple million that's complete speculation here. I I laughed so hard when I found out and I found out like a little late like sorry. I was like in a hole for a couple of days when I did find vinyl because I saw these memes, and it was like my face when I found out, and it was like, you know, lots of people like like girl what? Rubber necking is bugging out. I I'm not surprised by this kind of like Kardashian spectacle. And this kind of like, you know, the the the dramatic and they're really masters of the media. But it raises a bigger question. Like, are you really like surprised or like at worse like are most implausibly like offended that like KENDALL Jenner would use something like this? No where people offended people. Some people were like, you know, some people there were there was a breath of reactions on the internet. She was giving such importance to such a trivial topic kind of thing just they felt kind of like played. Oh lease. I mean, we're getting played every single day by this is the internet. Okay. Yeah. Everyone's offended the thing. I think about when you said this, and you mentioned you onto talk about it. And I was just like oh, yes sponsorships? Whatever is that right now. Like, what is the earned media value of signing celebrity to me, you get a lot more value out of when people are like. I'm not sponsored. But like member Dr Adrian last week was like not sponsored by this company. And then started talking about it Vazza, lean Ola Henriksson banana Bray, my brain perked up and all of a sudden, I was more attuned to what she was about to say than some sort of contrived media, showcase like this was with proactive where then you just start to tune out because you feel like you're being played sidebar. I just wanted to say no that someone's probably taking this. I do think that like her stood if she was a serious acne sufferer, which she says, she was like, I don't think that it's like not I don't think it's trivial tab acne. And I do think that like if she was a serious acne suffer, and the whole idea was that she sharing some story about how acne ruined her life or made her like, you know, mentally unwell. That is serious. I'm not like side eyeing this. I'm just side eyeing the the general idea that like the idea of sponsorship today. Yeah. You know, I think we all need to be a little bit kind of with a raised eyebrow and take things a little bit with a grain of salt into your point, Jen like I think people need to be a little bit savvier about this stuff about. Yeah. Exactly quick question before we wrap this up. Who was the old proactive spokesperson that I do remember as a musician. I wanna say was Britney Spears that you shouldn't Timberlake. Oh, and they would show pictures of when they had acne when they were being shot by celebrity photos. And I was like well that seems. Real you know, how like it was like celebrities. They're just like us. But do you think that they did use Proactiv as former proactive user when I did have much worse acne than I do? Now, truly bad acne. That's the whole thing. It works. If you work and you've got to use it the micronized. Benzel approximate was like the only thing that worked for me their version of their face wash. Not all the whole lineup. Just the face wash Kozelsk would dry it out. So it actually really did what you have. But you have to use it consistently not light. So funny. Hey to the point that you think oh, I'm cured. But then you stop using it and then it comes right back. So I luckily got through that. And I actually think it's a great product. I think it's sort of doing a disservice to it to be honest. So I don't know what everybody else thinks tell us. Janai hair issue. Tell me all about it. It's been very pesky. And it's been bothering me. So I don't I would never say have frizzy hair. I know what frizzy hair looks like in don't think I have it. But at the top of my hair was the crown around the part line, my hair, which is like very kind of like its course. But it's thicker eight gets a little frizzy just around the part line. I would like it to do member. Like the game when you were little you would like rub a balloon like a party balloon up against the wall create some static and like put it on your head. I believe that was science class not a game. But yes, I do mister wizard or something like that like that you have Sadeq electricity issues. All the time is what you're saying. It's not static on my head. But like it's it just kind of like, it's not smooth. It's not like blow out smooth. And for those. Who can't see us, which is all of you just has straight hair rights. Here's textured or curly. I know it's probably less of an issue for people with curly textured hair. But when your hair straight, these things are even more obvious, right, right? It creates a textual inconsistency. So what are you gonna do about it? So I brought this up with a couple of different people and actually brought it up on Instagram stories, and some of you folks were really nice you sent me a ton of different tips. And some of them worked some of them didn't one of you guys had recommended the Christian s root touch wand. I try that the other day, I think user error used it onto hut too. High of a setting, and I think I created some more breakage. So definitely gonna try that again that one's like a tiny curling ironed that has a like a precaution. Her on it. So you can get really close like almost five millimeters away from your scalp regular curling iron you'd have to be further away. And there's a little comb, and you just sort of like brush it over and it heats it in like Sposato late. Yeah. So it didn't work. But but I don't wanna say that doesn't work. Think I work for me 'cause I use it improperly. So I'm gonna go back again. But in between that and my next chance I met with the wonderful dovey from W hair studio here in New York at I told him about my problem. He saw with his own two eyes. He recognized it immediately as a common issue, and he gave me what I he did it right before my vary on it worked on my God. This this is my new thing running preach. So for frizz at the crown I wanna take this is this is drew a gun dry or damp to dry hair. You're gonna wanna take some hairspray put on your hands. Like, literally soak, your hands, etc. Your hands and hairspray. And then you're going to want to smooth down. You're like pressing her palms against press, your palms on your hair. So your hair's getting high. Can't you just spray the hairspray because you really wanna kind of press it down you want that pressure. Okay. Not just like missing your hair, hairspray push it because that would freeze them in the opposition's. Yes. Okay. So you wanna press? You want and you wanna put your paws on your head? Then you wanna hit it with a hot tool that you could either blow dry it with a she's a blow dry, but make sure that nozzles on it because otherwise face downward. Yes, otherwise, you're just like creating like a little you're kind of winning them all up again she wanted nozzle or you can use a smooth. You can smooth it even with a barrel. Ironed kind of gently code it like touch, very lightly, very lightly, very lightly. Yes. And oh, and he goes if you if you use the blow dryer, high heat, low speed, it's all about control and getting the theme here control. I feel like you're sort of shellacking it in a way. No, no high. He no with the hair spray, then with the heat. It's sort of like making a coating a ceramic coating on like keeping it down. Yeah. But you're not like smashing down didn't feel crunchy. Oh god. No. Then sorry. There's more steps yet three step process. Then you want a smooth it with a starchy product. And this was so fascinating to me. I was like no not like like a Sierra Lixin himse with an oil serum. Sometimes with is. And he said, no he said too much moisture will make the hair pop up like if it's too loosey goosey. It's all about creating dryness over there because we have like serums and moisture's and cream's. Okay. Those babies will just slide up and pop up to right where they like they're bouncing springing full stars. He's so slurs Archie products. What I said to him Matt waves by orbi is a great one. Okay. 'cause it's like a dry product to anything that, you know, a hand feel anything that's gonna feel like a free. Yeah. Okay. Like those pasty tech game. Yes. Doesn't mean. Like you said like feels like helmet. You're not like smashing it down the hair. Just like you're going to have to do a little bit of a hand feel thing hairspray heat than. Dry starchy province, and he did that. And like it sounds like a lot of really didn't feel like a lot. It looked like I had glass hair class at the top. Yeah. We'll you're wearing headphones now in its super smooth. And it's working feel. I'm gonna try that. I have that issue as well. But I also frizzy hair. So we'll see how it goes. And you could sub in the the the Kristen s for one of the hot tools. Yeah. It'd be perfect usage wouldn't it? Yeah. Okay. I like this. Thank you perfect for winter too. When it's so staticky, and you take off your hat a million times. I like that. Thanks. Jess. Sure. Thanks, debbie. Jan I'm so excited that you're getting married. Yeah. Me too. Can I give you a bit of advice? Sign up for Zola, someone who got married I can tell you that you want to take the stress out of wedding planning, and this place has it all save the dates invitations your wedding registry tools. I heard you can use it to build a free wedding website. And I know that should be kind of something I have I know you're gonna want an FAQ section that tells people if they can bring their kids to your wedding if they can bring a plus one and also has this cool registry tool. You even away to build a virgin, yes. So this you can have presence from all. Different kinds of brands amazing brands co that's good. I'll do that. All right. I'm going to sign up for Zola. And if our listeners wanna sign up as well, they can get a free wedding website and fifty dollars off the registry by going to Zula dot com. Backslash mascara, that's Z O L A dot com. Backslash mascara they'll get to build a free wedding website and get fifty dollars off the registry. Jeff, I think it was just last week that we're like everybody's slow there on the phone screen, right? Yeah. Then I read the most interesting article in outside magazine, one of my favorites is sunscreen like margarine, meaning have we all been duped for so long, and we don't actually need to be wearing sunscreen. Okay, going, okay. Somebody who's made a living telling people to wear sunscreen partially I was freaked out. So I read the entire article will link to it on the blog. But basically, there's some rogue researchers who may not be rogue. We'll find out someday. Just like the people that were like transfat suck. Nobody thought they were right? And then they were transfats actually sup. So what they found was the more people wear sunscreen, incidences of heart disease and things like that. Obviously have not lowered. So they thought it was oh, you don't have enough vitamin d let supplement with vitamin d that's not helping lots of researchers showed them as well. And this one researcher found the issue might actually be. That what sunlight is doing isn't the vitamin d is just like a signal that you got the sunlight it wasn't. What was helping what was actually helping keep people healthy was the sunlight, so he put volunteers out and son for thirty minutes in the summer. And they're nitric oxide levels went up. That means nothing to anybody. But their blood pressure went down. So the actual sunlight was what was triggering their blood pressure to go down. And that of course, lower blood pressure makes you a healthier person all around the less heart disease and everything like cut to if you look at all of the research lined up. It seems that the more fair skinned people wear sunscreen, the higher that their blood pressure is because they're blocking out a lot of that son. That's we're so this article has a lot of other researchers talking about evolutionary biology, and how dark skinned people are much less likely to get all types of skin cancer. And we're not talking about melanoma, the more deadly ones more so talking about like, the basil cell and things like that that that are that are more prevalent now, and the reason they're more. Prevalent is because we don't go out and son. So when we do if we get a sunburn, that's what's triggering that Darren so not I want I won't say, there's a huge wave of experts. But some experts are starting to change their tune and say, especially for it depends on your skin tone, of course, because there's some like inherent, of course, different skin to should have different rules. If we want to be colorblind because we're worried about offending people. That's not medically. Correct. You know, black people white people Asian Hispanic different needs. But we do need a little bit of some exposure. It seems in order to be healthy. You know, what I kept thinking about this whole time is they're telling me nuts where sunscreen all the time, but nobody ever put sunscreen on right? It's not like I'm going out there with like a blanket of sunscreen, everybody who puts on screen still has some exposed skin somewhere. Yeah. There's no perfect -application. Right. Like like, so my thinking, you know, what my plan is now, but I'm going to because I don't I'm going to be honest about something, I don't use sunscreen because. I'm worried about skin cancer. You know, I'm like an olive Persian person. Like, I really am not out in the sun. All that much. What is your impetus? I wanna look young I'm using sunscreen as an age prevention. Sorry Micheli to anti-age myself. No. But like I will put it on my face. So my new thinking is I'm gonna keep putting it slathering over my face, neck and chest. But then I'll just leave my legs and arms out to get like, my vitamin d. So I don't have blood problems and heart problems. I I see your point. I am a little nervous about you getting. I mean, I just found out about this article. I'm not a scientist. I cannot conclusively say yes, this is great. I fully agree. You know, butt or disagree. I am nervous about the sun exposure, I did hear a couple years ago that like the fastest growing area. One of the fastest growing skin cancer is the legs because nobody puts SPF on their legs. Yeah. But probably for those less invasive types of skin cancer. I'm imagining, I don't know. I can't I can't tell you conclusive. Right. Right. So I I don't want people to think the legs are free for all now. No. But I also want them to talk to their doctor based on their skin tone and their race because the health issues that affects you know, like, you know, heart disease is more of a problem in the black community. This is what they're talking about. You give blanket advice to everyone because it's not it's so funny. I just took like a blood test recently. And like they asked me like about my genetic background. And I was just thinking like this is so. Like, not not funny. But like different in the cities have different types of concerns. And it's like Lutely, you know. I just never really think. It's commonsense though. Yeah. And as medicine gets more targeted and we're taking genetic tests in order to find out. You know, what problems we have? And even if you have type of cancer, they're going to test it to Netflix before they start testing it before they start trading it like, it makes sense that sunscreen should be one of those things that isn't alike. One-size-fits-all? Yeah. So I'm not going to be the person to get on this Mike and be like, you know, what you're cool you're from where no good bay. Of course. Not and also your fair skin light person with freckles. So I'm sure that you, and I have a different tolerance. But I really encourage you guys to read this. You know, obviously, it's just like an inkling of some new news coming out. But I think that we should watch this area of research because it might be MC member doctors recommended cigarettes. I'm not saying the sunscreen industry is trying to pull one over on us and make us pay for this thing, we don't actually need. But I really think there's going to be more research coming out, and we're going to start to see that. There are listen we like we evolved in the sun. You know, there's a reason we have circadian rhythms. The twenty four hour day, you know, because you're gonna pay for this one so much hate mail every day for this every dermatologist I ever interviewed go ahead at missions. Smoking right now. Is so good. I'm just picturing like the doctor let's circle on this forehead having a cigarette. Be like you're all good kid. We are here with Michelle Lee. I'm so excited that she's here. I mean, we've been waiting a long time. She's the editor in chief of allure and also a fellow podcast the podcast launched in December. And she's already had may musk on and Aquafina as guests. And she was also the former editor in chief of nylon she worked with intouch weekly life and style daily front row glamour loads of other websites and publications. Welcome to fat miscarry Machel, high lady, welcome. I'm so happy to be here. It's so exciting to have you here. We have tons of questions. Let's get right to it. When you were growing up, Michelle. What did you think about, you know, you're always in the beauty space, and we're gonna get to that? But what would how did you find out about beauty products and beauty advice? Yeah. I I was a late bloomer in every sense of the word. I actually didn't even hit puberty until nineteen. So that says medically medically. I didn't until his nineteen being funny. Oh, no. No. No, no. I'm not. Being I'm being funny. But that says so much about me. So I grew up in Connecticut, and until I was sixteen. My dad got a job in Florida. And then I moved on south Florida, which was like massive culture shock. Sure. But I consider myself. I think technically I was a child of the eighties, but I really consider myself to be a child of the nineties 'cause being a late bloomer. I feel like I didn't really even know about my own style until like the nineties hit. So when I think about myself back, then it's like, I didn't really start thinking about makeup or hair or skin or anything until I was like my late teens, and it was very much like remember, the movie singles of words of that. Bridget fond of like my dream. So I wanted to be a cut my hair like that. I I had I I did not do the little I and do a little hat. I definitely wore like tights. And like, doc, Martins and little shorts little jackets and stuff. And that was like, my look, and it was weird because I think that at that time, especially I didn't really feel like beauty media or fashion media. Serving me. Right. And like, we talk about all the time now diversity and representation, including everything and for sure in media and entertainment like I never saw a person who looked like me. Maybe it was like in Wayne's world. It was like Tia career was like one Asian girl was like see a career flashback like super babe babe, which I was really thankful for because it was like Tia career. And then Connie Chung was the other person who actually saw Connie super bay a super babe who I also saw an event like a couple years ago. And I was just like, wow, she was like it. She was like the one Asian woman who I ever saw. So you feel like throughout my my younger years. I definitely always had a very conflicted view of beauty. And what was beautiful for sure, you know, when I looked at people the ones who I looked up to the supermodels. It was like Kate moss and Cindy Crawford. And that was the look, and my mom definitely has been big influence on me. But my mom was not like a big beauty fanatic. She really didn't wear makeup. She definitely did pond's cold cream that was thing. Pond's cold cream? And then the little pink glass bottle of oil of olay. I have very fond memories of like that pink oil of olay sent it took me a really long time to learn about hair and makeup and everything else. But then when I started really getting into I really got into it like I did again, it was the nineties. I was doing like fully like the lift liner. I did like a a lot of eyeliner all the way around my eye, and it was a lot of experimentation. 'cause at that time again, we didn't have YouTube. We didn't have Instagram. There was no way to really understand how to do makeup on Asian is right. And I'm I have modeled is meaning I don't have a crease. And so every time I would see in magazines and stuff like they would tell you how to put on I shadow. I was like how do you do that learning all of this where you reading other magazines magazines by the time, I was like in my late teens, and then for sure in college, I was definitely reading magazines. It was being vogue Ellum RIC flair like all the fashion magazines and in their little captions and stuff, right? Like everyone. Does they would write the instructions about how to do the look and always? And it really difficult because I didn't have the same shape. Is anyone say how the hell do you do that? Right. And then also like I do have this weird memory of when I was like a young kid that at some of my friends birthday parties, they would have it was either like the Avon lady or Mary Kay or something. They would come in and do like a party those make party, and they would test your your face in your skinnier coloring, everything until you if you were warm color, or if you're full color me beautiful. Yes. The other one that did the seasons member the seasons the coloring beautiful had seasons it summer Michelle summer winter fall. Remember what I was? Yes. I quite liked to. That book it was called beautiful. Okay. I couldn't remember that. I couldn't remember that. For some reason, I thought it was like the woman's name. But yeah, it was like a whole thing. So when you got to allure, I know him jumping like quite a few years after. But did you bring any of that with you like you must have had a vision of what you wanted to mean. At least when you had to like present your vision to the folks at conning has do you had to say something like what did she? Well. First of all it was like, whoa. Like, oh my gosh. I was in shock that. I'm like talking to them about this role. But then definitely like through the process I had to come up with a deck. And I was like I wanna just like below them away with us and do really great jobs. I presented this beautiful looking design deck to them about what my plans were. And you know, involved a lot of different things. It was digital social video obviously like they were bringing me on board to bring Lor into a more modern space. I think at the time that I started three years ago. It was very much known as just a magazine. So I really needed to bring it into all those other platforms. But then also it was just making sure that a freshened up with the image of allure was also thinking about what beauty was at that point too. Because I think right when I joined we're celebrating our twenty fifth anniversary. Was his twenty five year old brand, which is amazing has awesome history of being like, a super smart, trustworthy, brand that has done so much in the beauty space for me, though. Like, I definitely think about that deck and one of the big things was diversity. And I think my own experiences with beauty growing up and feeling like, I wasn't included and everything I think that that definitely had a huge impact on what I wanted to do with the brand just in terms of like making sure that people felt included having making a stronger viewpoint having stronger viewpoint on cover stars too. And I think that the first year it was a lot of transition. It was a lot of like getting the staff rate making people were all on the same page about things are second year. We'd definitely like just hit our stride. I think we had amazing covers we became the first major women's magazine and states to have a woman in hejab on the cover is that one of your what's one of your proudest moments. Whether it's a story or cover whatever looking back over those three years if for sure was. That I think having holy added on our cover. We had the big cover line that was this is American Beauty now via and if you think about what was happening in the world at that time. I think we were all obviously thinking about politics there was like the big Muslim travel ban at that point. And then also later that year, I think it was in September. We had Helen Mirren undercover. And we declared we're banning the trim anti-aging wanted to ask you about. So yeah, we had like these big moments where I think that especially when I look at that. You're those two thousand seventeen where we hit our stride. It was that we were taking beauty and making sure that we broadened it in a cultural sense that obviously we all like, you guys know like we all love products. Like, I love every single day looking in my corner and getting my bags and boxes and playing with new stuff. But I think that for me it's been really interesting to think about everybody has a different beauty story. So whether you're Helen Mirren, whether you're helium Adan, whether you're Aquafina, whether you you're whoever your beauty story is really fascinating. And it goes beyond just the products that you're using spin the feedback like. The feedback for the most part has been really positive. I mean, I think that for anyone who works at media. You know, that it's always like, you get that little percentage though, that is negative, and I think talking about the the Halima cover, I think for me like there's something in my personality of where even if ninety five percent of the comments are super positive for some reason is up five percent that a hang onto. And I'm just like gets to me so much. I think over the years, I've kind of learned to one just kind of wait it like, I tend to think that for a lot of people for me in particular. It's really easy for me to get derailed by something like CNN comment. And it'll just take me out for like the rest of the day where I'm like, I just keep thinking about it. So now, I feel like who come up with different strategies to avoid it like won't won't read the comments, I'm calm, or if it's like if I know that there's an Email coming or something that's going to derail me. I'll just make sure that I don't look at it until the next day for the most part. They're like, I said the the comments the feedback. Has been amazing. We won that year ad weeks magazine of the year. I won editor of the years. Right. Like it. Definitely when I think back about that. That is such a proud moment. Because again, thinking about everything that was going on in the world, you know, you're competing against the New Yorker, you're competing against Newark magazine. The fact that they awarded a lore with that. Like, it's it really means so much the talk aging, I was gonna ask about the anti. Will you did actually? Okay. So. Yeah. I mean, we, obviously this is something I work in a space where you know, the anti-ageing conversation is is very relevant to what I do. So I think it's very interesting that lure stake in the ground. And they said this isn't twenty seventeen you know, we're not gonna use that term anymore. And you wrote in anyone who is interested can go online. I think you're editors letters is online. They can certainly go and read it, but you were pretty clear about why you wanted to remove that from the conversation, but if you can just kind of recap here what led you to that? Yeah. Well, interestingly, I think the first time that it came up was from Philp Accardi. So Phil, I think most people know podcast guests was he dwells really amazing. So we have a whole lure log lineage using so Phil I think Phil most people know was at some point the chief content officer at teen vogue. But he also spent some time as the digital director at allure. And so at the time he was actually one of the youngest members of our staff, I think he was maybe twenty four twenty five at the time. And he brought up at some point. When he first started with us. Why are we still using this term anti-aging, of course, twenty four year old? You know, we're sitting right? And I was like, yeah. It's it's really true. And it stuck in my head. But then maybe a month or two later Johnny by who's our executive beauty director. We were down at PC peace conference in in the beauty world. And we were having a conversation with a brand and Jennie had not listened to this conversation that it had with Phil before. But she also brought up this thing of like. Yeah. You know, when we're in the office, or when I'm talking to my friends, we don't ever really conversational say anti-aging products. Right. Like, you would say what are you using for the lines around your eyes, or like, what are you using for, hyper pigmentation, or even what vitamin C, sir are using people know so much now about ingredients. It's not something that you say, what's your favorite anti-aging product to a friend. So the more that we started talking about it in the office, the more that we started thinking about we had done so much in those previous two years on diversity, but we were really focused on body image. We were focused on gender, even on skin color on hair. Texture on all those different things. But the thing where we were still frankly failing at was aging, and it was free covergirl signing may must get thing. Right. Yeah. All that and funnily enough when you asked about feedback. It was one of the things that I got a lot of feedback about was anytime. I would get like a handwritten snail mail letter was like you've made the brand too young. And I definitely, you know, sometimes you get crazy people writing to you either online, or you know, in mail, or whatever. But I feel like there is something to always kind of listen to all those I definitely took that to heart. And I I thought about it a lot, and I was like we have actually filled with that like the models who were choosing the people who were choosing to highlight. Like, we are ignoring anyone over certain age. And what age is that? I would say the time. I mean for some reason everyone chooses forty rally guys. So I'm forty three. Okay. Yeah. And that's the interesting thing too. Is that like, you know, M I aging myself out of who I think our audiences, and I don't think that we thought that in the audience. And the office. But I think that we somehow had moved into the space where it had gotten young. And we were sort of like ignoring this whole other demographic. So it was really important to us in the more that we thought about like this term anti-aging. And I know it was controversial. I think for the most part we got a lot of positive feedback. When we said, we're going to be on this term. We want the industry to join us. But I definitely feel like there were people who were like come on. It's all just semantics is just a word we understand what it means. I think about it in terms of like, the word diet Riley. I've been working in media for like twenty two twenty three years and way back in the day. We used to always use the term diet, and it kind of became this thing of where women were technically starving themselves. Right. They were starving themselves for the sole purpose of being skinny and they just wanted to be like waif lake lake lake. Keep moss the thought process behind like starting diet was that you did it for the sole purpose of being skinny nowadays. We kinda switched to the mentality of wellness where you're going to eat, right. You're gonna. Exercise you're doing some of those same things, but it's with the purpose of longevity. It's to feel better to have more energy. I think of at the same way as anti-aging to that. If you're using skincare products in your intention of it is to have good skin health. And you wanna have like you can totally work on those things like you can work in your wrinkles, working your, hyper pigmentation, but you're not doing it from a viewpoint of feeling desperate to do those things because you feel like if you don't do them that you're going to be considered ugly or that you're going to be considered like old looking, but it's not coming from the size of fear is that it's not a place of trying to change while you are trying to change if you're trying to sort out your wrinkles and dark spots. It's it's funny. One isn't it? Or is that your personal take on aging? How you feel about it? Like now, you're forty-three in probably using some of these products or maybe even getting injections or whatever one hundred percent. I am I think that's the point that we wanted to make was that. We are. So not against any skincare move me. I used so much skin care. The ten step in the morning of the night. I love skincare. Love seeing dermatologists, I love facials everything. And I think that's the thing is that we're not trying to shame anyone for anything that they're doing. I think what we're trying to remove is the shame associated with the way that frankly, a lot of beauty products have been marketed to people over the years that it is. It's like that fear based marketing that you're going to be old and ugly. And no one's gonna love you. If you don't use these problems, I understand what are some other changes that you've been trying to make allure? Yeah. I think one of the other things has been media in general, really like I didn't really know a lot of people before I started there, and I always talking to people like readers editors editors really like people very much spoke from the Royal. We right like we speak from a award. I think what happened over the past ten years or so is because of social media and YouTube and everything else we wanna know personalities. Choose I feel like what's happened over the past three years at had been. There is I I wanted to push people front and center. So I feel like definitely like more of the editors out there. Whether they're doing videos, though, they're on social media. That's definitely been a big thing diversity for shore. And again, just like all the different platforms. Like, I'm really happy. The fact that like the magazine is still big and growing, vibrant and everything, but like our digital grows and social in video has just like completely taken off. And then also we have other businesses. We have our alert beauty box. So that's been also really fun. So you mentioned before the I was at nylon and nylon, I was the editor in chief and chief marketing officer, which I don't think has ever happened before that it's sort of like being an editor and a business person like the publishing side, and the editor aside, exactly sticky. It's it's sticky. But I'm a big believer that people can do both that as long as you're transparent about things. It's like that question also about like editorial like can editors do branded content. Right. I'm living proof. But again, it's just if you're transparent about it, you, you know, when you're working on it, if you're working on edge Hoiles when you're working on Brandon. So I just personally from my background and everything else. Like, I love working on businesses. And I feel like I have been really inspired by just like the start up movement in beauty. I wanted to ask you about the beauty business to we talked about media. But the brands have been doing something similar to what you're doing which is leading personalities come front and forward have you noticed a change? It's like in the last three years, basically when you've been a lower in the way that brands are trying to tell their story as far as a media placements like do they care about getting a print story in Laura or they just like worried about, you know, compression, holding still care? Yeah. So what what have you noticed changed about the way beauty companies are marketing to consumers? Yeah. Oh, and are you happy about it or not? I mean, I definitely think that personalities are important across the board. And part of it is because sort of what I was saying, I guess about diversity to the fact that if you show like multiple faces, and you feel like you can identify with someone like telling someone's personal story or like having a face show is so much more important sometimes than just showing like product, we're like a smear or something definitely been that. I think social media and YouTube have been like huge game changers and mostly Instagram. Honestly, I think the fact that everybody I talk about a lot that like everything is kind of becoming the same in that. Okay. At a lower. We started out as a media brand. But now, we truly are just a brand wrestling products. We've got our alert beauty box. We're maybe launching an event at some point soon. But then you look at some of the brands to and now brands if you started as a Kuzma brand, you may be started out selling products. But now, you're a content creator, you know, suddenly getting into maybe producing a Netflix show like everyone is kind of doing those same things we were all just like these three hundred sixty degree brands. But what about the speed that? We're doing it like the launch cycle. Like, how do you keep up when brands every month dropping new product? Is that bother you ever? It's kinda crazy. I mean, do you think it's crazy? We were just. Just because we realized that a lot of these products are coming out just to make noise and not necessarily because someone needs them once them on their face the same brand talk about waste. I know. I just Matlins phase right now. I love it. Hey. I actually have been really encouraged by some of the brands like then I met you. We're like win Charlotte launched that. Like the fact that it was just the cleansing do. Oh, my thought was really amazing because I like I like it just so much to take right now. And maybe it's that I can take it from certain brands where like is still feel excited if I see a new lake tarp package or like if shinola was to drop something on my desk. I'm like, I'm still kind of excited to see that. Or Pat McGrath dropped something. But I think it's also it's understanding who your brand is and whether or not you should be the one doing that. Like everyone right now is kinda stuck in the same cycle of feeling like they have to play that same game. When actually maybe it's just better for your own brand that it's like you do the singular drop like once every season, right? Yes. Schnell started coming out with like the palette with Patrick starred. Be really confused. I don't know. That's having any time soon. So I'll just touched on this. But like, you know, I see you obviously, you're in editor and chief. But I also, you know, people who really see you as like an influence, or, you know, oh, I know Michelle follow her, and I don't know often with you and your family. Nail. Art. How do you see your role as an editor in chief in twenty nineteen? What is the role of of an editor in chief today? Yeah. I mean, it's so hard left like the word influencer has this weird. Connotation, right. Does that mean to you is that was that kind of like a like a diss? Sorry. Well, I feel like I saw it maybe three years ago when the word blogger became really negative. So even people who I knew who were bloggers, I would see them at fashion week or something and be like, oh, there's a blog on the blogger like, I'm an influence. Yes. Our kind of moving into this time where people are like, oh, the word influence or is like not right. I'm a creative director like you'll see a lot of. I'm a creative director now. I don't mind the word like I I think that I look at Instagram. I say, yeah, it's it's all Instagram because I'm not really on other social like in terms of like my job for me Instagram is really the focus. I do view it as another arm of my job. I think that my very first job. When I was first starting out was glamour so way back when Ruth Whitney was the editor in chief doing there. I was an intern. So do you know what the as internship is like the American psyche magazine editors so I was an Azmi intern. And so I was there for the whole summer. Cindy, Levy, I think was the deputy editor editor at the time. But I remember looking at Ruth Whitney. And at that time as an editor in chief you had one job you had the magazine, and you're one time that you got to communicate with your audience was through your one monthly editor's letter. And that was it who's unless somebody was writing you a letter and sending it to you, and maybe respond back like there was really no way for you to communicate with people more like an event or something nowadays, the fact that I can communicate with people on a second by second level. It's a little bit maddening sometimes because it can you can go a little bit crazy with it. But actually love it. So can I ask you, you know, you do video and you're like, okay, I'm in, you know, my bathroom, or my, you know, my office yada, yada and people they must. Must right to immediately. Like, I love that. Or do this. Do you? Do you write them back? So, but what about I know your job is so busy? I've seen you. How do you juggle? And it's funny using this is part of your job. I I struggle. I don't even have a fraction of the followers. You have I struggle with this balance. So how do you manage all this time wise, I'm actually looking for tips for myself? So okay. So here's one little. Yeah. I don't I don't respond to everyone right away. I know I know certain responses are going to be faster than others, and you know, how in your iphone you can kind of program like shortcuts. No, I'll show you after this settings. You can do. So for example, a publicist will message me on Instagram. What address can I send this to? So I put a little shortcut in my phone. That's Addy ED why. And then I just typed that and my tire address goes in. So it's like I have little shortcuts that things like that where I know it's going to be fast. I'll sometimes respond right away. War just flag it and then by the end of the day, like if I'm sitting in bed or something then on kind of go through all my unread things and try and respond to people to feel like personally taxed by all this or does it invigorate. You it depends because I feel like this is this can release suck your suck your soul. Yeah. It depends. Like, I feel like right now, I feel invigorated by it asked me again in six months. I might not feel that. Yeah. Yeah. No. Because it is. It is part of the job that I think people don't understand like, it's very it. Feels quite personal feels like a little bit. Yeah. I've always wondered like what if your brand that you don't actually match up with like lure seems to be you. And you've changed it in your own personal personnel direction. But yeah, I don't know you're giving a lot of yourself. That's what I'm trying to get. Thanks for doing that, Michelle, by the way, I think the thing is too. I'm careful about what I share one thing is I don't share a lot about my personal life. I don't share a lot about my family whose husband got two kids. I share my daughter sometimes. But being Kate. I also care about their privacy though, too. So we created this little character for her. That's mini Michelle Lee, and she actually has her own little mini Michelle the Instagram now, but you'll notice you wear sunglasses, and so she's wearing sunglasses because I always felt weird about until they're of the age when which they're kind of like, okay, mom. I'm okay. Like being out there. And you show me like I was just felt like that should be their decision to. So I am like wearily private about some of those. And that's why I feel like my Instagram is sort of like, that's my it is my company like my brand persona in a way like that. Yeah. And I think like what you're saying though to about, you know, some people know me as an editor in chief. But I went to LA recently like a couple of months ago and two girls separately. Like, I was waiting for my bag at the carousel and this one girl stops music. Hi, Malo, you I really love your account should know. Ideally, like wasn't like I love a law or anything. It was like I love your Instagram. And then I was walking a little bit more, another stop high, follow your Instagram, and it did occur to me that. Like, I do feel like it's good for the overall brand the fact that I feel like I'm bringing people into our world. And I definitely have had people message me to being like, I really love your nail nail. Art. I really love your videos at you're doing you're making me want to subscribe now. So I feel like it is new people enter you said it invigorates right now. Let's talk beauty products. Like, what brands are invigorating you or product categories or things that you've been seeing that you're like super psyched, I love skin-care. I have to say like, I'm definitely skin here fanatic. I mentioned I'm fully on like ten steps ten years ago. I'd never would have thought I would use this many products. I really believe in like gentle products, then because we've brought lots of them lost them. I definitely more gentle gentler magenta. Yeah. I mentioned than I met you who else is doing it. Okay. So I can kind of walk you through like my morning scheme your routine. So I loved Hajjah tasha. I think is amazing use their essence. I am using peach and lily that glass skin serum which I think is really good amusing drunk elephant the vitamin C serum. What else do I really like, I definitely am an ex-police later at least twice a week. There's a really good Joanna Vargas, it's like the scrub mask that she has that. I really love I like revive for like a day moisturizer? They have a dark spot corrector that has I think it's like SPF thirty this really really good. I definitely have been very into masks to. So usually on the weekend. Like, I'll do a Saturday mask and a Sunday mask, and I'm not loyal to any mask. I think maybe because I try so many of them. Yeah. What was it about all those brands union a bunch of prestige brands several of them were founded by Asian American women? I noticed also. But what drew you to them? Like, why do you think they're standing out and they're all fairly new brands to there weren't like any legacy in there? I'm just curious like what in general speaks to you about products? You know, it is I I went through about probably. Two years ago of really bad cystic acne, and I was really trying so many new products as we all have to do in this profession, and I was kept breaking out, and I couldn't get a under control. And I was just a one was using too many new products every single day we're going through this period. Testing for the beauty were best of beauty awards, and I chose night cream's sheet masks and foundations one years jailed hall in the shampoo. It wasn't easy. Such a weird rookie mistakes. In hated me. I went to dump tolerance. And she was like your skin is just rejecting you right now. So I think after that point I was like I have to just like completely revamp my entire routine, and again like using that were a little bit more gentle after just trying a whole bunch of things like these are things that have worked for me. I don't know if it has anything to do with them being newer or being led by Asian American women. Maybe is partly that. I think I am a little bit prone to. When I have a founder come in. And explain to me like, Charlotte. Did this is how I came up with this cleansing bomb? This is how I came up with this. These are how we source the ingredients. I do love hearing that Oregon story you get them. Like, oh that totally. I really do love that product. But yeah, I mean, I think that because I've tried so many things like those are the things that work especially for morning. The thing that annoys me the most is if I use a serum or a product and it pills under Mako a hate it. And I feel like all of those like do great on my skin. They make me look globally. The other big thing for me to is that a I went almost my entire life thinking ahead oily skin. Because by the end of the day, we all get oily at some point within the past five years or so I went to see someone just like you have actually extremely dry skin. So once I just even discovered what my actual skin type is like I feel like that helps to question for you. How do you feel about the word normal skin the term normal skin does? I right. What is normal skin? What was the cause? This is come up recently a bunch of conversations like is that exclusionary say normal, meaning oily skin is abnormal dry skin is abnormally. I don't think. So she's making a face. She doesn't agree. But just. That did because I was trying to think of a were we we were both talking about what's the word that would be not the word normal. What else would you say? Well, I've heard the thing about good skin. Right. People have said like don't say good skin because what is good skin that? It's like good the bunch of people with good scam. Okay. So that's ring a bell just for brands like allure that. So so important to be inclusion. Yeah. For me. It's I don't understand what normal skin is. I don't think anyone has. Dryer something somewhere. So as exciting to me highlighter, I'm really excited by and you right now. So today, I layer I have that flower beauty palette, which I really like. So that's under. And then I got is that ritual defea the alchemist have you seen that? Okay. So they sent me this thing. It's I think it's pretty sure it's out. And I'm not breaking some rule was embargo. Embargo was basically where are they calling? It's highlighter intensify. So if you do like a highlighter under and then it's like it comes in like, they're normal like cute little thing. And it's a little bit glittery. But it's like a cream highlighter that you then put over it. He put over highlighter. It's for your highlights highlighter for your highlight partially-sighted all the Shelley. Thank you. Wow. Name for that. Anyway, did you issue nemo on? No. But we just saw her yesterday. Okay. Does she tell you about this? I think I saw a photo of her on Instagram. That's so like an am both thing. That's a very nonvoting highlight. What's her thing? Nivea Dewey dumplings. Do we don't glow? Gloag Azam glow glow yourself. My thing. I made up that last one. Okay. So now art that is your other big thing. And you have some banging nail art fired. By you like, how do you keep it on? And have two children. So those Joe's they always looked perfect. Tell me everything only do polish now but to polish every day not every day. I try and do once a week. You probably were dish gloves. Don't you? I don't do dishes. Okay. That's helpful. So my son is thirteen. And so one of his chores is he does the dishes got a kid. And you gotta get a kid. My nails are gonna look good. Get thirteen year old. So yeah. To me. It's again, it's something I enjoy I think a beauty, and I think of I think of makeup, but I also think of nail specifically as like, this is my creative. Palate. I have before like giving my nails a break, and I'll go like three days and not have anything on my nails, and they feel so naked to me. And now, I think because people know me for my nails like if I see someone I haven't seen in a while. They're like, let me see your nails on I. Yes, there's pressure. There's for sure pressure. So these were done these paintbox, but from I would say like seventy five percent of the time. I'm doing the myself. Off. And my big thing is coming up with Neil are that is really easy to do. Because for most people like, I'm right handed. So my left hand is obviously not as co-ord- right doing things. So I usually try and find his eyes that are easy enough. And like still kinda cute that I can do with my like kind of crazy left hand and since you're using polish now, which I really like because I did Joe recently. And I swore off gels for a long time that I did it again in though, completely regretted it. I love that you're going back to basics polish. But how are you keeping them from chipping so much like do you have a favorite top code? You have a hack what's going on? Or just be very careful. I am careful. I will say that's that's the biggest thing is that. Are you a light typer? Well, it's the typing doesn't bother my nails though. Because that's just really like. Okay. My my finger pad voice. Texter boys texture for sure it's really digging in bags like I have like a little bag, and I find that if I dig in my bag all the way in the bottom that can really ruin your nails, some careful about this is all making everything you're saying not to do what I do like. So that might be part of the problem and don't use your nails as tools either. Like, sometimes if you you know, if you go to a store, and it has like a little sticker on like we're gift card. What do they do us back cards Christmas? Every single one is like a freaking penitentiary of numbers that you can't get threes. Don't use your like, we all tend to then go use. My my nail as a tool scrape this thing. But now we're going to hear Michelle in our voices. Saint don't yells tools. That's a good one. And then also wants to my nails. I will top. I'm I don't have a favorite taco. Honestly, I really tend to just whatever their is around little such feet. Maybe maybe whatever's whatever whatever's around I do. I have a lot of Zoya stuff at home, which I'm using a lot. But then two or three days after I do my nails atop co again. That's one of the big things is that like eventually after like three or four days. You know, you're going to get little dings and stuff your nails. If you top code at that point and just let it dry perfectly. You your manicure should last a little bit long. Nice. And you mentioned, you know, whatever's lying around what products are lying around your desk. So the office many, I probably a hundred facial missed. Yes. Or no facial nece hundred presents. I have Mario Badescu. Very good to me in his sent me. Like, I'm not getting twelve. Like in different sizes and everything so you will find probably a dozen. Mario Badescu mists around. Are you a dog person or cap person jen's theory? I know bribes I'm a cat person. But you like facial miss. I do she's robe you she the one person hasn't. She's not at rogue. I teams that if you're a dog person you like facial Mus, but if your cat person, you don't and so far is pretty much worked out with everybody. We ask but years for off my numbers saying, well, I when I was growing out liar. When I was growing up we always had a dog, and as became an adult we now have cat. Okay. After just my. You have more than one cat. We have two cats. Beautiful. What are their names so Bowie an Atari beautiful? Okay. I'm sorry. I didn't up to the facial. What else? Else? Does I have a lot of Islamists? What else is on my desk? Handcream for sure. So that's another thing that people are always like what hand cream? Do you use what cuticle oil? I can don't really use cuticle that much. Like, I feel like for me, the annoying thing about cuticle oil is that anytime that I'm touching my hair or anything else. It's all over me all of my face. It's all over my hair. So I'm I use hand cream. I would say sometimes up to twelve times a day just because it's like right near my chemo, your hands are so pretty yeah. When do you like I have the one that's on my computer right now is growing alchemist. So they haven't body cream. And again, I'm not using things that are called handcream. I'm just using any lotion or anything I'll go to trader Joe's, and they have like a big singling body lotion. And I'll just get that. My husband actually, ordered from like a health food store or something. There's this thing called gator bomb. That's like what is Mr. Michelle leads doing ordering. So I just saw this thing. I think he had like dry hands or something like dry cracked skin. So he thought he needed something that was like really late, vir? An intense bought this thing, and I just saw it like sitting in our kitchen at some point. I'm going to use this. And it's actually pretty awesome. Hater ball. Gator bomb. Cool. Okay. All right. Any other products? Like, we we've got the inside scoop right now. Fragrance we always like to ask you about an hair. Yes, we let your goals. So I have a couple of favorites. So one of my favorites is LeBow Bergamo twenty two and love anything kind of citrusy and clean and fresh anything. Too. Heavy not really a fan of love that one. And also love forget like the exact name of it. It's the the Louis Vuitton Luger celeb- the one that was like the morning day on the mountain. Yes. It's like the not the first launches second linked to it on the blog lovely. Story about that's why I know that one morning day on the mountain it's beautiful, and it's pretty and I feel like both of those. I don't mind like some people change their fragrance per season. Right. Where it's like, you feel like I need my winter fragrance, and you my summer fragrance, I I wear those like, no matter one. Yeah. And then hair here, I for the longest time had really had short hair. So I always had it lays right around my ears. And then I grew it out. I think I started growing at about two years ago. I went through this very awkward phase of where it was like that weird like middle stage, and the now it's finally starting to feel long, and I'm having a lot of fun just like styling it and doing it and stuff, and it just people now like literally just this week have been like, whoa. Where did your hair come from? So I feel like the products that I've been using have been a little bit different to I've been trying to use really hair care. I've been trying to use more clean beauty products have been doing like brio us nature lab, not clean beauty. But like pros sent me somethings. I've been trying that. And then hairstyling I have been not cannot super loyal to anything. I try a lot of different things. I been trying really hard to only wash my hair. Now once a week is this wave you have natural nose. So this is flat iron. Oh, do it yourself. Wow. You really know your way around like a beauty tool. Editor in chief is that. So you're titled we call you like brand content as its editor and chief chief of allure knows her shit. But usually you can outsource that stuff at that level. Well, show DIY girl. Like, I feel like I love I love learning stuff myself. And that's why as much as I could probably find someone to do my nails every week. And that would be amazing and fun. Our listeners, would volunteer. Yes. But I I don't know. I get a lot of enjoyment like learning how to do it myself. And I was not always good at doing. I actually I used to be terrible doing my hair. And so my poor daughter was in ballet, and like, you know, all the moms have to. Bun. Her Bunn was like the Jenkins weirdest looking lopsided. Mommy does for a living. That's so funny. Yeah. So I'm trying really hard to only wash once maybe twice a week. Now, just for like, my hair health. So I I never used to understand dry shampoo before goes up personal owner, STAN like, why do people like this? And now, I'm like, very dry shampoo. I use the bumble one for that. But again, not super loyal. I feel like I have a ton of them have like a whole row of them in my my office. So whatever is they're kind of like spits in my hair. The big thing for me, though, is at my hair's, really black. So there are some of them that make my hair, look, gray. Because. Passed. So that tends to be the thing that like it's either the scent of it, or if it leaves the white cast in my hair that I'm not into one that you love that you can recommend. I think I like the boom boom nourishing one. Okay. That's kind of like my my go-to right now. And then my other may other big pet peeve. I guess about my hair is have a lot of like little flyaways onto all your episode will actually tough. We are. We're sorting that out. Don't wait. So what should I use? You're gonna listen to your full episode of full episode. Okay drops. Well, because people have told me before to do like, the natural hair, the natural fiber toothbrush and set were. Yeah. Yeah, though. Okay. We got you. All right. I was just using like not a great hairspray on it. Maybe needed fatter hairbrush. Maybe fatter toothbrush. Maybe. So my problem have you ever seen like the Asian babies where when their hair's like short their hair, just stick straight up? That's my hair because I have these little baby here's growing there's not like wires like they just stick straight up. I especially if I'm standing against a white background or something like these crazy wires sticking out. Michelle don't through the episode to hear how you did. We might have some help for you. Okay. Good. Was there anything we should've asked you that? We didn't. I'm trying to think about like, even like beauty stuff. I mean may make up. I okay. So the other thing, I'm really. Yes. Yes. Yes. Eyeliner? So I Don through I think maybe in my lifetime tried over a hundred islanders does because I'm so fanatical about it. I'm very fanatical about eyeliner and mascara and sometimes people say to me like, what's your favorite mascara? But I feel like mascara is one of those things it's so personal very percents that like, my lashes are not at all like, your lashes. And so what I may be like in the things I really need. My lashes are very straightened six straight down the very short. So I need something that when a curl them is going to hold my curl someone who has longer lashes doesn't need that for me. The like, mascara wise. I I really really love him using right now land comb Monsieur big water. And I when I tell other people they're like, it's not actually their favorite. I saw Gemma Chan the other day, and I really love. Also, there's the Maybelline the falsities. It's like it's very specific ones mailing the false flare. Waterproof. She's the only other person I've ever met who is like the most a us is Leonard. When I was like that click. You lash twin we'll have lashed twin, and what's the liner that you like, and then the liner the I really keep going back to is MAC brush, stroke oak, Billy really love that one. And I think because I have like monolith is there's the inner corner of my eye actually fold in on its own. So again for a lot of people who if you're is don't do that. My big concern, though is if I get teary in there, or if my eye rubs on it self anything that's not like waterproof. If it doesn't really last it just like is gone within the first twenty minutes. So that one really lasted me. And again, I've tried so many other ones have been disappointed by other ones by keep kind of going co Kelly. I'm glad we ended on Mesko you've been awesome. Thank you so much for coming in sharing all your your story of your career and your favorite products. Thanks lady. Thanks michaud. Jenn. 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I'm not gonna lie. I'm one of them. I know this product oh this product. Okay. I don't. I think it's just enough. Just this call her Gloag as. I think it really gives you an all over glow that doesn't feel to disco. But it's definitely is a shimmer, you know, who else cosigns product Daniel Martin. And he's all about like a beautiful eliminated does skin that doesn't look shimmery. Just looks go. It looks real. But it's definitely a glow. And I think this with just like minimal like a little lip gloss. Miscarriage all you need for that kind of naturally gorgeous. Look. Okay. You know what else? Do you need to die? When you see what I have? Luma fi drops like this is like real. Yes. For real. Okay. Luma fi. Is this Baoshan? It's Abou Shalom are drop that doesn't manufacturer doesn't work like Vaso constrictor like the old drops where you'd get rebound redness and all that. I know I sound like an ad, but truly we're not sponsored truly. And so you know, what they're calling them at work. Mike coworker Taylor. I started using him. And I was like I wonder if anybody else has realize these are really good like you're I make up just looks better member showed you that before photo, you those it makes your eyes whiter in this way that like you'd put it the end of the day when you're just looking blah, forget the illuminating moisturizer. Honestly. This makes a big enough difference that I put in eyedrops, and I'm like, I look so much brighter. You know, what she calls them doll is slick. The big blinky, you know, so her and her girlfriends when they're going at it. And I where's Dalai's. Where's all is like the only bought one bottle for their roommates? And everybody's like sharing it like it says something is only ten bucks to. But like one drop in each I. And if you've contacted us ten minutes before I think, you put your context, just so, you know, but I don't know. I was never into eyedrops. They never really seemed to work. And then I was always worried about like, you know, and then I need them. And I'm hooked on them. I'm not me on this. But I totally noted if it's endorsement, yeah. So dalai's. There you go you'll be khloe under skin glow in your eyes. Oh, this is a good combo. He right. You're welcome. Everybody. Thanks so much for listening. We're growing because of people like you telling your friends family and everyone else and your network about the show. He sure to follow us all the social networks at Patmos garra. And if you want to drop us a line to tell us how great we are or complain or suggest something that we should talk about. It's info at fat mascara dot com. You can also give us a rating on itunes. If you like what you hear? How many stars five stars? Please.