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Paul on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

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Paul on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

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Radio stations brought to you by Doritos taking the class of twenty twenty Valedictorians to another battle. Welcome to movie crush a production of iheartradio. Hey everybody welcome to movie crush Friday interview addition here with Paul. Hello Paul. Hey how's it going? It's going great. How are you pretty good? Pretty good you've got on your phone voice. My phone voice boy. It didn't didn't you have dogs at your house or my house. That's me I'm out of a window. And so you might hear some random atmosphere no dude in quarantine on these movie crushes. We're all about atmosphere. Well you will. You might get what you're looking for. Then rubies been popping in for most of these shows but she actually spent the night at my mom's last night so oh she will not be popping in right. Sadly Dang oh well but she says hi she says go superman screw you Batman. She's team Superman. Yes we're going to We're GONNA talk about well first of all. We should say that you know you. And I had been doing the Sofia coupla series and you said hey you want to mix it up since we're quarantine to do something just a little more You know fun. Was this movie fun. No yeah maybe. That's a bad choice. In retrospect but it's something different. Yes something different. Which is good. Because I think people have been enjoying the During this lockdown period these episodes that are a little. I even got Casey to lighten it up. What did he do? High Fidelity Fidelity Nice was. It was good. I quite enjoyed that movie so it was fun talking to Casey about it. By the way I really like your Your new new book with the songs beard a already coming back as you can tell they gonna ask this. Are THEY GONNA have to change the `lustration are to remove your beard on the cover. Art Now I did think about that as like do. I have to change my bit. Moji. But it's coming back you know Ruby was not a fan and she has since gotten used to it but she's like grow the beard back Daddy Ruby Watts Ruby gets. That's right you got a little beer going. Yeah I've always got kind of little five o'clock shadow beard letting my regular hair growth. Just because I haven't been to a barber in a while so I get decidedly younger and rounder. When the beard has gone. I showed my picture. I showed that picture of you on Facebook to Alice. My girlfriend and she said you look like Nathan Lane so I got some Nathan Lane. I got some lead singer of the descendants got Who else there were about five or six different people that I got in you. Know and Nathan Lane is it's fine. He's a treasure. He's a national treasure. Come on now. I don't care. I clearly don't care what I look like ball. So you suggested a bunch. A list of movies and one of them was down with love and I said you know what? I've never seen that at a good. Let's do that. And you bullied me into fucking Batman versus Superman Colon dawn of justice colon ultimate edition with we had to push this recording. Because I was GonNa Watch it last night and then I'm like you know what I'll just get up in the morning and watch it and then record right after I did not realize it was a three hour movie so we had to kind of push this by probably forty five minutes. I WanNa thank you chuck for indulging me in this film. I have a lot to say on it. Almost three pages of notes that I typed up since last night. Now that's fantastic. I'm glad I'm excited to dig in and I appreciate appreciate you being willing to play ball here with me. No of course man and you know I'll go ahead and level set right out of the gate and say that. I saw the regular theatrical version in the theaters. It I remember not really loving it at the time I will say that ultimate edition is feels like a fuller experience and I think that thirty minutes helped which is not always the case and I liked the movie now. Really don't love it but I did like it. Good bit of a slog at three hours but I wasn't like ever board. There's just a lot to unpack in this movie. So start unpacking absolutely absolutely so. I guess I should start where I'm coming from with this movie. I've actually never seen the theatrical cut. I only came to this movie. See having seen the ultimate edition. I didn't see it in theaters. I actually wasn't really interested in kind of the DC movies at that time. Okay and so I guess just to to level set where? I'm coming from a when you talk about the marvel versus DC battle. I wouldn't say I really have a dog in that fight. I see most of the marvel movies. I didn't see many of the DC movies until seeing this one kind of going back and seeing some of the other ones like man of steel and and wonder woman which I liked a lot loved it. And so that's kind of where I'm coming from and especially because with these movies especially there's a lot of toxic There can be a lot of toxic phantom out there that you know. When Batman v Superman came out or justice league. These movies were not well received by the critics especially compared to marvel. And so a lot of people saying that you know people are is bias against C. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. I don't again. I don't really care much about all I think. Batman v Superman is illegitimately. Great Film it might actually be one of my favorite superhero films full. Stop Okay all right. That is a level setting and I will also say that while I did enjoy the movie. Today we I just crushed out The winter soldier with Anne and seeing these two movies sort of back to back this one suffers a little bit because I just feel like winter and you know different films. Obviously but winter soldier was such a sort of a richer experience character wise and so grounded in reality and had I think some amazing grounded in reality chase and fight sequences until it was hard to get that out of my head because this movie is not that and it and it's not trying to be so it's not fair really to judge it against that. This movie is not grounded in reality at all and is very a very over. The top in the action sequences. Although I did follow it better than others. Zack Snyder action sequences in other films. Just follow literally following the action. Yeah I haven't listened to the anti episode yet but I'm sure it was great. She's she obviously knows her stuff and she's a big win soldier fan in particular some excited into that one. That's good one so so that's interesting so I will say that when it comes to the marvel films like I said I see most of them. My general take on most of the marvel films. They all kind of are decent and there are a handful of them that I think for me. Rise above that handful might be guardians of the galaxy. The first Captain America the Black Panther for me the rest of them kind of sit in this decent but not great category where I kinda get fatigued because so many of them feel like they are movies. Made by committee and I will say whether you love or hate Batman v Superman. It's one of the rare cases where I feel like the director was given free rein mostly to make the movie they wanted to make. Yeah Yeah for better for better for worse yes I mean well. There's a couple of questions I have for you then you can answer them. In either order do are you familiar with the Batman versus Superman Storyline? In the comics. And what are your generals X. Schneider thoughts period No not really familiar with the comics. Okay the storyline in the car. You know okay. So we're both coming in combat it from a similar angle Zack. Snyder iced holes in his inaugural that I haven't seen so I haven't seen all of his work. I think he he can be really great. He can be really bad. I think he sometimes gets a unfair shake. Perhaps because he he kind of gets seen as this guy making these big dumb movies that are like all about strong masculine men and seeing how. That's awesome three hundred and stuff where I think. What's actually in the film just a bit more nuanced than that. This one and this one definitely. Yeah Yeah so and the third question. Sorry I forgot was Just general thoughts on Ben Affleck as Batman which was a bit of a controversy at first and sits well with some people doesn't sit as well with others. I in my notes I wrote. He might be my favorite Batman ever. Wow yeah all right well. Let's hear about it. I think he just really committed to the role and I think he he does a great job as Bruce Wayne especially. He's you know he's a little bit older he's got. His hair is kind of graying and he's a guy that seen some shit So maybe yet to jump into the movie we can talk about this depiction of Batman. So you know. You've got the Christopher Nolan Batman movies right and one of the one of the readings of those films as a whole. They came out in the early two. Thousands is that they're all kind of reactions to we're GONNA get a little political here reactions to the to the Bush years the President Bush years post nine eleven. Here you've got this anti hero vigilantly who has to break. Bend the rules in order KEEP PEOPLE SAFE. Yes and some people. Some people could read that as. That's maybe what president how President. Bush saw himself in the war on terror and for example in the Dark Knight. You have the climax literally Batman using illegal cell phone surveillance technology to locate the joker. Yes and it's it's it's kind of messed up. It's like you know violation of civil rights going into the the real life Patriot. Act stuff like that. Yeah so who all. That's to say here. We have a Batman. That's hateful uh-huh that's vengeful. That mean that angry the darkest Batman yet I think yes. Absolutely he He's Alcoholic. He takes pills wracked with trial childhood trauma. Yeah and again. He circumvents the rule of law except this time he goes really far. He kills people. He Brit literally brands them. Yeah that's a big deal in this movie That he's gone to the dark side. Yeah I think it's it's an interesting take because you see a Batman you see kind of how messed up. This idea of Batman can be this. This billionaire who has unlimited resources can kind of work above outside the law and do whatever he wants and in the movie you know you see them say how he he becomes judge jury and executioner for these for these criminals. Yeah and you know. The movie opens with a sort of one of the AM. I don't know if this was on purpose. Or just sort of the natural order of how things go with this storyline but it opens with the battle It was called the battle of new earn New York. I guess it would be the battle of Metropolis metropolis with Superman vs odd and sort of not sort of like very much addresses some of the criticism from the fans which was They have fucking destroyed metropolis and killed untold. Thousands of people Ostensibly you've never really see that because of this battle with side and those a lot of blowback from fans about that in that movie and that sort of the central driving force in this film of for for Batman and what he wants to do because he's he's the guy that wakes up sees metropolis. Rex See his ceases business and is building cut in half and in that one. That the little girl you know that scene at the beginning is really powerful. And he's the first one. This like superman is bad guy. Yeah not good guy. Yeah I think that opening where we see events from a different perspective is really great. Because I got. I think you gotTa Give Snyder a lot of credit. For addressing one of these big fair criticisms of the man of steel which was sort of indiscriminate killing of untold thousands. Just so these guys could have their their climactic battle on a playground. That's earth you know. They're big Dick Contest. Yes absolutely and so you see it from the ground perspective and I think the it evokes a to me it evokes imagery of nine eleven very consciously you know especially when the building crashes down in the smoke Russia's towards Bruce Wayne that's-that's nine eleven nine eleven imagery right there and so. I love how he uses a criticism from the last movie to make and makes it kind of the central conflict of the sequel. Yeah Yeah because you know Batmans is sort of the first one to get that seed planet and said because like I said very personally. His business industry was affected but the The whole world starts to get on board in this movie And that is sort of the central conflict which is superman picks and chooses who he saves and who is who dies in a certain way and all it takes is for this alien to change his mind and then we would you know the whole guide man false. God concept is an savior thing like. There's a lot of really heavy themes in here about superman that if you were just too casual superman fan and didn't read the comics and stuff it sort of pretty heavy stuff you know. Sorry Siri just talk to me good. But you know it's it's some pretty weighty stuff here with the the savior of the Messiah the God complex. Yeah I agree I think I have a quote here that that's from Deborah Snyder whose Zack Snyder's wife but also producer and produce this movie and she was talking about sort of negative reaction to Batman v Superman and she said people don't like to see their heroes deconstructed. Yeah and I think this movie does that with these two characters where it both of them it questions the sort of the very foundations of what they're built on. Yeah and that's why the movie so interesting for me because it dares to do that and even if it isn't entirely successful it's still dares to to give you something different you know. Yeah and it's not a kind of occurred to me like somewhere in our to that. There's not a. There's really not a protagonist in a lot of ways. It's hard to figure out who the good guy is and I think maybe that had something to do with. The critical reception is people that makes people uncomfortable when there aren't very clear sort of guidelines as to who? You should be rooting for. Yeah I know you can maybe choose to identify with Batman or Superman but when they start doing things that you don't like when Batman starts branding people. Yeah you know you're like wait. Wait a minute this is. This is the Guy. This is my hero. It really throws into question who we identify with and what we see as ROIC. Yeah and in the same goes for Superman. I mean he still a good guy per se in this movie but he's definitely not painted is the all American hero It is more God Messiah. Savior stuff going on that. That great scene when he goes to Mexico and In saves that you know from the fire saves a woman. And then he's standing there and everyone's sort of laying their hands on them Maybe a little heavy handed but pretty powerful image. You know absolutely and that sequence. I actually rewatch watch this morning. Because it's one of my favorites where it starts with that scene where he saving the child and then it's kind of becomes a montage of him. Saving People Intercut with these talking heads on TV right like Neil degrasse Tyson and all these people doubles great debating. Him and it's so interesting when I watched at this time. How on one? Hand the scenes REC- Superman in that sequence. He's doing unambiguously DT's literally saving people left and right in each sequence and yet the talking heads are debating about whether he's truly a force for good or how does this make us feel that we're not the center of the universe anymore and that there's someone who's more powerful and could turn on us at the drop of a hat and I think that gets to one of the the big themes of this movie. Which is Superman? Losing his faith in humanity Whether humanities even worse saving and Man of steel talked about that too but then again. That's that's a question that makes people uncomfortable because Superman is supposed to represent the best of what we can be right. Yeah in every you know there's been I mean one to well. I can't count the Superman movies. One two three four five at least five or six maybe before this at least going back to Christopher Reeve that really drilled into the notion that he is only good he is only Apple Pie and baseball. And this Crip Tony and somehow yet all American kind of hero in a lot of ways In this movie never sort of paints him in that light. And that's an awkward experience for Superman Fan. I think yeah I really like. There's a line in the movie that I think. Perry white says Florence Fish Fishburne's character at the daily planet. He kind of BERATES. Clark Kent he says you know it's not nineteen thirty eight nick. Apples don't cost nickel. Clark yeah and I think that gets out of a big question of this movie was which is is there even a place for Superman in the modern world or is the modern world too cynical and mistrusting to have somebody who who we hold up as sort of pure goodness and you said earlier. How compared to winter soldier. This movie isn't realistic so to speak. Yeah not grounded not as grounded and I agree with you to a certain extent but I think the questions it poses are are extremely relevant to the real world. Yeah I agree and I think in some ways this is one of the more modern as far as the themes that explores modern relevant. Superhero movies Another aspect of that is the the media. And how like you said he's doing all these great acts but the perceptionist changed. Sure the destroying metropolis a lot to do with it. But it's really the the media sort of running away with this new story and you see it you know in all the news clips and the Charlie Rose Bits. And he'll degrasse. Tyson right down to the daily planet and how they're covering it and how Perry Jerry white just switches sort of in the middle to You know I can't remember what headline he barked out. But something about you know. Is it for Superman? Are we done with him? Something along those lines so like the the modern portrayal of the media is completely in control of shaping the public consciousness pretty relevant. I think yeah I agree one hundred percent and you know it's it's this thing where regardless of what side of the political divide you fall on. Yeah I think there's a certain agreement on both sides that that's true you know to varying degrees depending on which side you're on. Yeah absolutely It's interesting you know. This is a three hour movie this ultimate edition but like I said I think it fared better than the two and a half hour Maybe we should talk a little bit about some of the differences I think most notably the the the whole Africa subplot is much more robust in this version and makes a lot more sense now than it did in the other version. Okay so was it just much more truncated in the original. Yeah I mean there wasn't if I mean it's hard for me to remember because I saw in the theater so long ago but it's never really you don't ever fully get what was going on with him going to Africa to save Lois and that being setup to make it look like he had a laser. I'd all those people it's not like there's this account remember. How like what where they cut. But they left out way too much from the Africa subplot To where it didn't make a lot of sense and I remember that kind of bugging me at the time Yeah well yeah again I have. I haven't seen the theatrical cut but I do think that sequences and that sequence occurs pretty early in the movie if it's right at the right at the very beginning and it kind of sets the stage for this. This ongoing PLOT THREAT OF MANIPULATION OF PEOPLE BEING MANIPULATED. Mostly by of course LEX Luther but media manipulation everyone's being manipulated and ultimately the manipulation climaxes in the showdown between Batman and Superman but but But I think you're right in that Africa subplot another interesting aspect of it. Is this this thread? That's you kind of see in the movie pop pop up from time to time. Which is this idea of? Third World countries or countries predominantly populated by people of color beyond kind of used as props for the for the whims of these well. Wealthy white people. Yeah it's it's it's very much in there. I think in the way the woman who gives the false testimony that she saw superman destroy the village. And then of course later you learn that she's being basically threatened by lex Luther goons to to give this false testimony. Yeah and I mean. Let's talk about LEX for a second. You what did you think about Jesse Eisenberg as LEX man. He's he just goes one hundred and ten percent for broke yea. It's so goofy that I do kind of admire it and I think it's honestly I think it's great casting because he's basically playing like this west coast tech billionaire and he's played by the same guy who played mark Zuckerberg in the social network. It's hard to ignore those two that link maybe a little shade being thrown there. I Dunno casting. I Love Jesse. Eisenberg a lot as an actor but him as Lex sort of bugged me a little The sort of twitchy tech Bro. Bucked me may because I just don't like that kind of person that much real-life but I didn't love him like I give him credit for really going for it and I think the idea here is that he's lex junior right. Yeah so he's not even the main guy right. Okay Yeah I think so. Yeah because he references his dad a few times. So that's an interesting spin on it too. That lex junior is is trying to essentially the driving force of the film is him sort of orchestrating this battle. Where and this is where I just have a few not problems but questions is he. What IS IN GAME HERE. Or is he. Orchestrating this battle. Who Does he want dead? Both of them I. It's a good question I think he so what what is what threatens him. I think he's threatened by the idea that there's somebody more powerful than him. Yeah and so. I think probably. He's he's more afraid of Superman in the end. I think so for sure. And so what? He's trying to do by getting superman to fight. Batman and kill him is to show the world that Superman is not all good because he keeps saying you know there's no such thing as a power with power cannot be innocent as what he says. You can't be all powerful and all good. He says two or three different times different versions of that same thing. Yeah and it's you know talking about him being lex junior. There's at least one or two lines where he mentions his dad being abusive and so again. Here's another character with daddy issues. But as a child he saw his dad as his this all powerful person who is very far from good. I'm not saying I certainly not saying I. I sympathize with lex. Luther but you can at least understand why somebody would be twisted into thinking that way. Yeah I mean there's a Lotta DADS stuff going on in this movie because you've got I mean all three of the male leads have daddy issues Whether it's Bruce never knowing his father to Clark and his his dad was Kinda the opposite. He almost pure goodness And then LEX had this. I Guess Abusive Evil Villain Dad and so he's you know he's he doesn't trust power basically and he somebody who's one of the most powerful people in the world until Superman comes along and so of course he wants to he. He knows he can't defeat Superman by fighting him. Yeah so he has to get the world to distrust Superman turn against him. I think it works so so. That's in Game. But what about a jump all around here? The end with the Super Zahed beast cleaned your day. That what it's called I think so. Yeah I think doomsday is a sorry for any comic people out there who are shaking their heads right now but doomsday is like a character from the comments from the comics. Yeah okay well that makes more sense because at the end during that battle which was pretty cool. I was like well. What's his in game here like. Can He Control Doomsday? What happens like let's Say Doomsday? Kills everybody then? Does he dislike you know? Say All right. Come on back to your to your dog house and get in there. Here's your treat like. Does he have control? I can't I couldn't figure that part out. I don't know if it's made explicitly clear but I think the idea is that he kind of control them because you know he like. He cuts his own hand when he's giving birth to do doomsday. So it's like blood of subtlety ideas like he's the father to doomsday. And so do will in theory Listen to his commands. And maybe that's maybe that's why he keeps going after Superman has lex. Kill him kill him. I don't know right the other cool thing that happens in this movie. Is You get the setup of the Justice League and some pretty bad ass? Wonder woman stuff teased out at at sort of the first third when Diana is at the At lex Luther 's benefit and steals Bruce Wayne's little tech device and gets away and he's like who is this lady And then you know we get the files of of the flash an Aquaman and WHO's the other one the WanNa Cyborg? No Yeah. I don't know his name. But he's some Cyborg guy by comic book. Fans are so mad at is right now but I mean come on. Did you see Justice? League? No I haven't seen justly. Oh really I so part of the deal. Is this your favorite movie? I'm waiting for the potential of his Snyder. Cut to come out good Lord. Having is the three hour version but see so. It's interesting 'cause this this was actually the one week. Part of the movie was all the little teases of Justice League minus minus wonder woman because she's actually part of the story of this movie like it felt kind of obvious that okay. We're going to stop the movie for a second. Can Tease out the next movie. Yeah I mean that was clearly going on but I forgave it of that because it you know it was just that they had to do it. Sort of like housekeeping. They're like this. I mean this is called dawn of justice. So the implication is is that these are the events that led to the formation of the Justice League. Right which is what happens at the end. Absolutely iheartradio and the. Us Census Bureau wanted to do something special for the class of twenty twenty so we made commencement a new podcast. With words of inspiration from the biggest names like John Legend during uncertain and trying times we must lean on love to show us our clearest path for Mary J. Blige Tim Cook David. Chen Katie couric. You'll need some very important life skills to move forward. Perhaps the most important one is resilience. Chelsea handler and cash. Congratulations you did it you graduated. This is a time for celebration of an amazing personal achievement. Listen to iheartradio new. Podcast commencement in partnership with the twenty. Twenty census. Speeches today on iheartradio APP. Or wherever? You get your podcasts remember. You can do something that will affect the next ten years so if you lived in a dorm. Don't worry your school will count you. If you didn't visit twenty two thousand census dot Gov Slash Grad to be counted so Batman figures out this whole white Portuguese kryptonite plan. And that's That's one of the big three lines through this thing is is Is Kryptonite this big chunk of Kryptonite is discovered? And who is got their hands on it. And he's very much playing Batman ultimately what ends up being against his own interests with his whole Kryptonite stuff. Makings KRYPTONITE WEAPONS TO BATTLE Superman The other thing I didn't quite get was when he created at one point in the movie did He. He create super beast. Was that at. That was as the fight was going on or before I think he started to create him. Because you see him lowers odds dead body into that Goo. He's starting to create them earlier than that. I think maybe as like an insurance policy. Okay in case the Superman Batman fight doesn't go the way he's hoping. Yeah I mean. Let's talk about the fight did you. It seemed a little anti-climactic to me upon second viewing because it's built up as Batman Versus Superman the whole movie there's sort of driving toward each other and then the battle itself has like ten or eleven minutes long and you know it's not it's not like it thought it was terrible. I thought they executed it fairly well but had a little bit of an anti-climactic field for me. Do you wish it was. Maybe ten minutes longer check. I don't know about longer but I don't know they fight and hit each other a bunch and at the end. Save Martha is. Is You know what kind of ends it. All and then they're they're bros. So I agree with you. I think I don't know if the fight is meant to be like satisfying though you know because we know we know. They're probably not going to one person's not going to kill the other so there's a sense of like we're just waiting for something to happen to end this fight. Yeah it's kind of like The fight in Captain America's civil war. It's good guys fighting good guys and we know nobody's really gonNA to die and so that might be part of it. It's almost like the Matrix. Sequels wants everybody was so powerful. I felt like a lot of those fight. Sequences didn't have the stakes that they needed right. And I think in this one though. It's interesting because I think even though that that actual physical fight doesn't happen until near the end. There's sort of a battle of ideologies going throughout the movie and so when we get to the actual fight for me. At least it's about you know who's GonNa win. And who's going to get the best punches in more about like these two ideologies? That are both at their breaking point. Yeah who's GonNa give I and of course the moment that happens is the Martha sequence. Which a lot of people make fun of do they? Yeah like a lot of people say it's cheesy and like oh my gosh. He changes his whole mind because of hearing that his mom has the same name as as his own mom. And I get that. It's it's I get that I get that it's it's a little cheesy. It's this weirdly like sentimental note in this ultimately grim movie. But I think that moment for me works on less vote literal level and more of a symbolic level in the sense that Batman the thing that makes Batman finally change how feels is that he can finally recognize himself in the other in this alien. Yeah that didn't bother me too much. Actually I thought I thought that worked well because like they really established with the up three. Tell you know re re-showing of Of what happened to Bruce's parents at the beginning Getting shot after the theater by by by joker who ends up being joker So it's like it's really you really get the sense of his pain of losing his parents and that it's sort of that like when someone's in a rage and like one word can snap someone out of it and that word being his mom's name and then I think Amy Adams rushing they're really helps because Amy Adams is the best and she As an actor so she really like she grounds this movie and a lot of ways I think because her acting so good always and so when she comes in and she's like that's his mother's name that's his mother's name. I thought that worked I liked it. That's that's a really good. I really liked that. Interpretation of or at least how how it affected you in terms of somebody who can be an array of blind rage and then one like trigger word can diffuse it. I hadn't really thought of it in that but I like that a lot. Yeah yeah well. It's almost like the someone's in a hypnotic trance and there's like the safe word or whatever that snaps him back out So I thought it worked. You know I don't I don't I don't agree with that criticism me neither Let's talk about some of the better action. Sequences we get a really sweet batmobile sequence in this movie It's an one of the criticisms of Snyder is that his movies are too dark literally lighting wise. And you can't always see stuff like you want. I did WANNA see a little bit more of this batmobile because it looked so fucking cool and it was a new batmobile but I thought that that chase sequence was pretty awesome. When they're you know when he's trying to get the KRYPTONITE. Yeah I agree. I think Snyder. Yeah it's a fair criticism of of of Snyder in generals. That the way he direct action can't be a little muddled perhaps. Yeah I think he does a pretty good job here. And that that chase sequence. Yeah that's definitely one of the the high points action wise of the early ish on in the movie and also the fact that it kind of ends with Superman just basically being like you can't go any further Batman or else GonNa come hurt you which I really liked we. Yeah I mean you know. Louis should talk about Batman being mortal a mortal not immortal home that that plays throughout Batman movies. He's a rich guy. With a lot of gadgets who has worked out with weights a lot in trained to fight? But he's dude and it really comes through in this movie like the the stark difference a few times one is in the Batman. Superman fight. You Know Superman does like I could've killed you already like you realize this. At any point he could just snap his neck with his fingertips But he doesn't and Batman is. He's got all the tricks but he's clearly outmatched all throughout this movie Especially there and then the final big big battle. He can tell. He's sort of flake. Like super beings. Wonder Woman Superman. You're going to need to handle most of this because I'm just trying to get the fuck out of the way with all my Winches and cables me. Out of the way there. Yeah there's a. There's a great moment when they're fighting. Doomsday were doomsday. Like charges out about to blast him with some energy blast and Superman and wonder woman both like just stand their ground and Batman just dives under piece of debris. Yeah I mean he's the guy that has the highest at certain points you know. There's a the the wonder woman entrances great because the bat mobiles crashed and you see Doomsday coming in. And he literally says Shit he knows he's done for and that's where where Wonder woman comes in and know pretty powerful way to introduce her. A fight scene and Her music cue that that that kind of metal guitar sounding which is kind of cheesy but work so well. I'd like it. I like it a lot. It's a really every time sequence hits I find it very effecting just totally for entrance. I think it's a great way to introduce your into the movie. And ultimately to the universe of of of the DC universe. Yeah when was the one thousand nine hundred eighty four movie supposed to come out the weather? The new wonder woman this summer July. Maybe and I think it's I don't know if it's beneficially delayed yet or not kind kinda wondering about that. I was really looking forward to that movie because that I wonder woman was so good and I think Gal Gadot is is it. Good dot or Godot. Is it good dot? It's Gadot Okay Yeah. I think she's terrific she. I think she just kind of owns that character We get the other subplot going. Which is and it's all you know all kind of tied together but lex using the The guy who lost his legs the I guess he worked for Bruce Wayne. And Bruce Wayne had been sending him this money and he'd been rejecting them Rejecting these checks in. He manipulates him into Sacrificing himself enters that great moment when Amy Adams sees that fridge full of food and she's like he didn't know you know he didn't know that he was being used basically. Yeah he's I think Scoot mcnairy. Is the actor who plays him that guy. Yeah it's it's a really great use of the character and again earlier. How he talked about sort of the people people of color being manipulated against Superman and Batman. Also you could kind of put his character in their who's who somebody with a physical disability. Who's also sort of economically depressed? He'll he loses his legs. He lose his job. He loses his family. He has a lot of anger here. Yeah and so. That anger is exploited by this rich rich billionaire again. It's a really it's really fascinating anything. Yeah and you know he The whole time you know the one thing I do like about Lex in this movie is that in true. Like lex Luthor was always Rich and super smart like that was his superpower. Was that he was always one step of ahead of everyone with his diabolical schemes. And that still plays out here in that he is. He's always playing one side against the other and manipulation at every single. Turn whether it's the media or or scoot mcnairy character Batman It's really like true. To to to Luthor is a character has always been one small detail. I like kind of goes into. That is how he knows. The identities of both superman and Batman fry. It seems like most of the movie and yet we never. We never get a scene. Where he's he figures out who they really are. It's just kind of assumed. I assumed rightly. I think that somebody with his wealth and resources would have no trouble figuring out who these guys really are. I mean if you're like the guy who started facebook you can probably figure out anybody's identity. Well Yeah and of course you know the the funny age-old criticism of Superman is Clark. Kent puts US glasses on. It's like who is that guy comes his hair gels hair and then he suddenly. Yeah or buff reporter Cub reporter. Yeah I think Amy Adams. This is some of the Best Lois Lane stuff that I've seen in any of the superman movies. He really is just a likable actor. And I think The most empowered. Lois of all the movies which is a important trait. I think here yes. She's she's great and this and I think you know she's she really grounds this movie and she's kind of the only main character who's who's more or less a regular person. Yeah everybody else. Are these larger than life. Mythic gods or super wealthy people. But she's kind of our entry into seeing this world from quote unquote the average person's perspective. Yeah for sure. And she also recognizes at some point She figures out that she is kind of part of the problem in that she's in love with Clark and Superman and That is very much a A weak point for Superman. Because and it's happened in a bunch of the movies if you to distract soups. Just put Lois endanger. And he'll go leave. Whatever the fuck doing to go help yeah. I mean that's the whole Africa sequence at the beginning is orchestrated because lex knows that superman will be there. If Lois is endanger. You know yeah and I think that's also when we get to sort of the climax of and I'm jumping ahead a little bit here but of Superman taking on doomsday and sacrificing himself. You know so much of this movie is about Superman. Kind of losing his faith in humanity and humanity losing their faith in somebody like Superman and right before he goes to Fight Doomsday. There's a small moment with with Lois where she kind of knows this is. This might be it. They both know this might be it and he says This is my world. You're my world and he kind of it's in that moment I think he kind of accepts his role. Yeah of what he needs to be for humanity which is unfortunately kind of a hero but also it's like a sacrifice right. Yeah but he gives himself freely because he loves Lois and through Lois. It's like loving the world it's kind of. It's almost like in the Matrix has in the sequels where yeah it's like neo choosing between. Trent loving one person Trinity Living Humidity. Right and how they kind of are the same thing right but also oftentimes in conflict You know he's he's and this wasn't just in this movie like I was saying in in most of the superman movies. He is faced with the choice of Save Lois or save a larger population of people Or or a the spiderman movies to kind of do the same thing with Mary. J or Gwen. Stacy you know it's like how do you have? How do you be the hero but also have ties to close ties to people you care about when those could be exploited? Yeah I mean that's sort of the classic Superhero Conundrum I guess we don't really get that Batmans a little bit different We'd never really see Batman. Have a love interest in that way. Do we definitely not in this movie. I guess in the Dark Knight. You Know Maggie Jilin Hall. Yeah that's true. Actually I forgot about that she is. I think it's the same situation where she's being held hostage. And he's got to choose between saving her saving some people and she ultimately dies. I think yes. She dies in that but at least in terms of this movie no He. He kind of doesn't really have any ties to to anybody. Yeah that's sort of one of the things with Batman is that he is. He is the dark knight he is. I don't know about if selfish is the right word but a he's not superman. You never get the idea with Batman or at least I don't that he's Fighting crime for the good of Gotham. It always feels like he's fighting crime because of this darkness in revenge that exists within him in a side effect is that he's helping to clean up Gotham. Yeah absolutely and that's what makes him such A. It's such A. It's Kinda weird about. It's kind of weird. How Popular? He is in terms of superheroes when he has this. I guess maybe it just shows that we kind of like our heroes to be anti heroes a little bit but in this movie it goes like it does. That's like the degree. Yeah so there. There's a line he says the Alfred in this movie and I have a written down here. He says if we believe there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty. Yeah he says that to bat to Alfred. And I've got another quote here from somebody in the real world that I'm going to read you know what this quote is going to be No but I feel like I should know. Okay well all right. So this is a real world quote quote is there is a one percent chance that Pakistani scientists are helping al-Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon. We have to treat it. Treat it as a certainty in terms of our response and that is Dick. Cheney so Batman literally quotes Dick Cheney in his reasoning for hunting down Superman. Wow that's a nice find. I'm sure that was no accident. No accident no actually interesting. I never Never picked up on that. Hey Class of twenty twenty. We know things have been a little weird late. You are basically robbed of graduation ceremony. All of the work you did the late night cramming. Now you're supposed to go out into the world figure it out so iheartradio asked soon to be graduates if you had a ceremony. Who would you want to deliver your commencement speech and then we made a few calls? Hillary Clinton she's an John Legend also. Dj Cow Palsy and coach K. All over twenty of your favorites and they're writing. Commencement speeches. Just free listened to I heart radio. New podcast commencement speeches. Dropped may fifteenth on the iheartradio and Sunday may seventeenth across all iheartmedia solutions. Brought to you by Doritos. Taking the class of twenty twenty Valedictorian to another level. Oh so toward the end. You know you get this great Great sequence where Lois has taken and Mama can't is taken Martha Kent and this is you know. this is all set setup. For Batman to fight Superman you've got Batman forging these crypt to Krypton weapons. That word it is now and you know. There's always an all the superman movies. There's always this great moment. I feel like where he's about to be able to do away with the bad guy. They're like but wait We have your mom or if you do that then this will happen. You can't kill me because I'm the only one that knows ex And I think they play that really well in this movie. They had kidnapped. Martha. I mean. It's kind of. It's kind of begs the question of how do you what what what weakness to somebody with? God like Powers Have Right. You can't take him down with Brute Force. How else do you get to him? And it's ultimately it's which makes it really interesting his his love for his mother which is kind of his ties to be. Humanity are his weakness. Yeah which is interesting because Superman is an alien you know lest we forget and that sort of always been the the The conundrum of Superman is he. Is this alien. Who has come to Earth and experienced human love and emotion? One thing I have written down in my notes next to Superman being an alien is in Parentheses. I wrote Aka. He is an immigrant. Oh and I just want. I want to throw that out there as Superman being the ultimate immigrant story which thus you could say reveals Batman to be maybe something of the biggest a fearful bigot fearing what he doesn't understand okay. I think this is intentional. Because you know when he that sequence at the Capitol when the the bill? Luther blows the building up when Superman I arrives there. We see these protesters outside and they've got the signs that say like Superman equals. Go back to your planet Blah Blah Blah. I mean that's that could be a scene from real life know totally totally. Yeah and you see kind of both sides. There are two in those scenes with the mob. Crowds there are the superman fanatics standing you know side by side with the people that are against some. I think that is I think they do a good job in presenting. It's not very black and white eventually the media and I think especially after the x. The the bombing of the Senate hearing or whatever. That's when I think the public perception really takes a turn but they play realistically up until that point of have he's still going to have his hard fanatics but he's also going to again like how that mirrors real life and what goes on not to name check any current politicians but There's certain politicians out there today that there's literally nothing they could do that will sway their base to think otherwise. I mean it's true and it's interesting that we're we're talking about. We're kind of making a comparison between that and Superman in this movie. It's not necessarily a one to one comparison but these questions are these. These parallels are intentionally presented in the film. I think and you know that scene at the Capitol for me I think that scene occurs roughly halfway into the movie like about an hour and a half through and to me like I think that's a really great sequence and to me the whole movie up until that point is building to that sequence seen as kind of like all these plot narrative threads converging at the Capitol Senate hearing or whatever where it's will superman show up. How do we address somebody? Who Has God like powers in the world? This person have checks on his power. And I think you know we haven't really talked about Holly Hunter's character too much yet. Yeah she's great and everything always and one hundred percent agree and I think she kind of represents the failures of government to not not that she herself failure but the the fact that government and democracy can't doesn't really have a solution to God's walking among us you know there's just no way they can deal with it even though they try and give lip service to the idea of talking to people in hearing ideas right. Yes for sure and you know. That's a loved the way they played the scene out with lex planting that you know granny's peach tea or whatever which was I. Guess his piss right I think so. Yeah there's only one way to read that and yeah. That moment was really really pretty great. 'cause I had in fact I had forgotten about a lot of this movie but I did not put that altogether that he was actually using scoot mcnairy his character with that Kryptonite slash bomb wheelchair. Yeah and there's a really great moment there where the the building starts to explode and the room becomes a fireball and yet superman at the center of the frame because he's obviously not hurt by it and you can see. I think he just sort of closes his eyes and he he just has its look of pain like oh my Gosh. I might you know all these people around me are dying and I'm Fi but also I might be responsible for this. Yeah like I. I walked into a trap that I should have seen any has great line with lowest recess. Maybe I didn't I wasn't looking forward or something. Yeah Yeah that seen on the balcony right afterwards with Lois at our hotel. And there's a really nice exchange there to where she says you know he talks about how superman was just a farmer's dream and she says that dream is all some people have it gives them hope. And then she touches the the insignia honest the S. And she says this means something and he says it did on my world but my world doesn't exist anymore and it's just like the lowest of the low point that's where he kind of leaves and goes on his vision quest to you know the Himalayas whatever it decides to abandon humanity. You know yeah and I think that stuff works. I like him. I think he's been a good superman. I did know a lot about him as an actor before this but I think he's been a good soups Better than the previous guy that did just the one film Brandon routh. I think I think has been really pretty solid. He's got the look. He's he's greatest. Clark I think he pulls it off as an actor. So he's he's one of my favorite. Superman agreed yeah. I think he's really good and like I said. How did you feel about about Affleck? How did he said I'd sort of dodge that earlier? He was a bad. I think it was just. There's so much baggage with Ben Affleck as a human that it was hard for me to Sorta on wind all that and accept him. But you know seeing this today he was a bad he wasn't I thought I think he's okay. I'm glad to see them moving on. I think it's interesting that he did not get his own because it was just this injustice league right he's Those the only two appearances so there was no standalone Batman Film. Unless you count this which I I don't really. Countless is a Batman Movie. But he he was. Okay I'll cop out and just say he was fine. I I much preferred Christian. Bale Pattinson is going to bring. Because I think he's a hell of an actor and I'm really interested. He seems a little small but an interesting to see how they ball came up for this thing. Yeah I'm I'm really excited cautiously excited for for Pat. I mean for the movie but really excited for for patents. And 'cause he's I mean we know he's a great actor he always does interesting work. Yeah totally and if nothing else at least the paycheck he gets from Batman will allow him to be in more like saftey brothers movie houses. Yeah Yeah exactly. More indie flicks. Who is making that one? I know I know this Matt Reeves of all right right right sure job. Who what else did he do? He did I think he planet of the Apes Dawn at the apes and Cloverfield. Cloverfield was his first movie. I think. Yeah it's gotTa Start and war for so two planet apes movies Let the let both good. Yeah I like those a lot and I think let me end was a pretty good adaptation of a very very good foreign film. I would agree with that hard to adapt a movie. That's that's pretty great in my opinion but they did a solid job. No I agree yeah. That'll be good. When is that supposed to come out? Well I can look it up real quick. I know it's been filming has been put on. Yeah Corona Virus October first twenty. Twenty one is the current date. Oh interesting so it's GonNa be Awhile. Yeah so the year and a half now or so and that's if it all goes as planned. Yeah it's not but man the cast though is Stack you got Paul Dano Colin Farrell. John Turturro Dan ridler right yes. That's Great Yeah. I mean those. Are those quality actor. So they're all to a good start and Colin Farrell. As the Penguin. I forgot about that. Oh Interesting Yeah. I think I wouldn't have minded. Cnn standalone Batman. With Ben Affleck. Just because I don't think it's really fair to not give him one in rate him against other Batman Men because he he didn't get his he didn't get that full sort of shining moment. Yeah I mean if this is his sole outing not a soul out because of Justice League but it's certainly not a show. Yeah shining example of Batman in terms of how his characters depicted. But I think that's why I like him because I think he sells the the anger the angry Batman really well and also because he's angry but he's also a billionaire. Yeah which for some reason I feel like maybe this is me reading into Ben Affleck as a person but I feel like I can buy that like a rich person who's also angry well and the drinking and stuff. I mean there. There are some parallels with his life. in real life in this role that he's taken on With a you know potentially alcoholism as Bruce Wayne. 'cause Jeremy Irons who was great as Alfred by the way I think he was a great choice. NOT QUITE. Michael Cain but a good show you know. No no shame and Jeremy Irons at all and he does a job as Alfred in this in in that he's always part of. Alfred has always been to be his caretaker and he makes a lot of. I think in this movie in that way. Yeah and he's also kind of Batmans conscience. He's kind of is he's a father figure at he's part of the better angels. Who are in this movie constantly trying to hold you. Know pushing back from the from the ledge so to speak yeah which he does really well but it's also interesting how you know we talk about. Batmans alcoholism in this movie. There are quite a few scenes at least a couple. Uc See Alfred like Khan at the Control Center but also nursing a scotch. And you know it's never really. There's no never really read into it but I think you might be able to assume that Alfred has had his fair share of days where he's got to have a drink after learning. What Bruce did that day or something for sure? What else you got did. What's in your little note stash? I mean we covered a lot of it. I think Oh here's here's one There are few kind of dream sequences in this. There's one extended one. That's right which has been dubbed the nightmare night with a K. Where it's Batman in this desert world. Yeah and it's really like this. Blake Mad Max post apocalyptic world where? He's obviously it's a dream sequence. But he sees he's trying to do some mission and he gets betrayed by all these. These guards dressed with superman insignias on their arms. Yeah the those waspy flying creatures and those and it it's it's actually kind of terrifying as a sequence because you see how how fearful he is of Superman. Yeah and the fact that these these soldiers are kind of dressed almost like these not Nazi esque. Uniforms like these. Ss uniforms or something in Superman shows up and especially when these like alien bugs show up Brad. Maybe I'm reading too much into this but the way again. If we see Superman as an alien slash immigrant the way US immigrants have been portrayed as less than human in the past and present Especially with the words used like infestation to describe immigrants and here we literally see like alien bug creatures again reading a lot into this but I think it's a fair interpretation. Now I think so too. I mean if you're GONNA IF YOU'RE GONNA go there like you. Have you got to go all the way with the political intrigue The other interesting thing. Is you see Superman really angry a few times in this movie which is a bit of a change of pace Soups generally pretty pretty level. And see some real rage. Come out a couple of times and I think it really works for this film. Yeah I would agree and again. It's it's probably one of those reasons why people didn't necessarily respond to this movie very strongly. But we don't like to see. Our heroes falter bright or lose lose their their mojo their will to do what they do and I think to me. That's why this movie. Why find this movie so interesting is because it seems to reckon with the idea of superheroes in a world that looks like our real world right you know and the answer is aren't satisfying? The answers are kind of depressing. Like this is a very despondent depressing movie. You know. Yeah that's been one of the knocks on Snyder's world and the DC world is literal darkness in the way he shoots things and figurative darkness whereas marvel movies are color and light A lot of daytime stuff Snyder is got a lot of nighttime rainy night. Stuff and all his movies that sort of gray Gray look on the color wheel but you know the guy has a an aesthetic in. He has stuck to it man. And that's that's why I gotta respect to again like I said at the top like this feels like his movie like this feels like the movie he wanted to make whether or not you like it or not. That's that's another question but it didn't feel like somebody was like a corporate board room for the most part was mandating. It has to look like this. You have to outsource your action sequences to this committee you know. Yeah yeah no totally. It's it's his movie one hundred percent and he's not. I mean this isn't light fair. He's he's he has going for something pretty weighty for a superhero movie the themes in the towns And I think marble does that pretty successfully as well. Despite the just the brighter overall feel a lot more laughs in marvel movies Like a infinitely more laughs. It is funny when this movie like three times. Maybe tries to give you a few like marvel asks jokes at Airy few time very few times I kind of just like shake my head. I'm like Oh they're trying but I appreciate the effort but this is not your strong suit. The and you know ultimately obviously loved the marvel films a lot more but I credit them for not just trying to eight has done and for having their own vision and just being like you know. We're not going try and do what they're doing. We can do. Our own thing It's going to be a lot darker. And a lot heavier and if people like it they like it and if they don't they don't yeah and so I I can you know. I'm sure when people listen to this episode. There's going to be a lot of debate if wh- whether or not we're off our rocker. Some a lot of people hated this movie. And you know that's fair but I like whether or not even if you hate this movie I think you you. At least got to respect. They did something different and went with vision. However flawed that vision might have been. Yeah absolutely I'm curious what What's going on in the DC world next? I haven't really followed. I did see the aqua man movie which was okay not terrible I saw. I saw it on a plane kind of felt the same way. Yeah is fine. All right he was a little to surf. Bros for me. Yeah agreed but but it wasn't bad. Do you know what's in store. I mean obviously the wonder woman stuff is is the best of DC. Yeah wonder woman. Eighty nineteen eighty-four would be next And then I guess the patents in Batman Right. Yeah that counts I don't know if there are any other sequels on the way I'd have yet like at Justice League sequel or if IF I don't know what Snyder's deal is either if he's if he's now he might be done leaving it is he done. I think maybe so but you know it's I think part of that too is they. Maybe they were planning for way more way more of an expanded universe but some of these movies didn't perform that well at the box office. I think they might have can't some of them. It's funny I have the I have this movie on. Blu Ray actually the ultimate edition and the cover. The box cover is Batman Superman and then in the middle is wonder woman she's like given prominent bill the top billing in terms of the picture even though she's in this movie for twenty minutes. Yeah well Gal. Gadot is gorgeous and put her on a movie poster in that doesn't hurt and the fact that wonder woman is six did so well. It's one of their success stories. You know yeah I had to buy this too because The ultimate edition was not rentable on itunes. So now own this thanks to you. Man That warms my heart. I appreciate that they pay ten bucks. That's fine I do recommend that people watch the ultimate edition. It was definitely a richer film than the two and our to our version is sometimes when you see the big three hour director's cut. Its feels bloated. And while it was certainly long it made more sense for this movie to be three hours longer than two and a half. Yeah I will say that and Just kind of one of the final thoughts I had on this movie. Looking at my notes here is on the the ending right after Superman sacrifices himself and we send it the funerals two funerals better across cut with each other and at the funeral in Kansas. Gal Gadot has this really kind of haunting line where where she says. They don't know how to honor him. Except as a soldier and that's very lines is a great line. It's kind of ambiguous. I guess what it's it's getting at like the we only embrace superman. Now that he's dead and has saved everyone he's given himself freely to us And maybe the the idea that we only can especially America can only think of bravery and heroism in terms of like war and combat and. That's what we hold up. The highest ideal of of goodness is the ability to fight which is kind of a sad sad truth. Yeah the ability to fight and And you know there. There's a a large part of this country that Sacrificing your life for the freedom of others is the ultimate martyrdom and NFL. Of course I'm not knocking the idea of that at all sure but I think in terms of like our our culture this idea that the only show of strength through fighting violence. I guess right right. Sort of classically traditional masculine ideal which I think the movie acknowledges is being kind of messed up you know. Yeah I mean there is no Superhero. Called the the mediator yet. I think we idea what do they do? They talk things out in a reasonable manner. They wear a Cape while they do it. Yeah I like that. I like that a lot all right. Dude well I enjoyed this conversation as continue. Yeah you too man and thanks for like I said. Thanks for indulging me on this. I'm glad you found some good stuff in it too. Yeah I did. I liked it much more this time around. I think like I said at the top. It's just such an interesting movie to dig into even if you don't like it it's just with so many themes like let me put it this way like. If I was still in college this would be a movie. I could write like ten page essay on for one of my phone studies classes. You know just because it's so dense with with interpretation. Yeah the Old Film Studies Paper Boy. I don't Miss What is Casey. Is Casey seeing this? No told him about it though. He does want to watch it at some point. Just 'cause I told them about how it it's much more interesting than you might expect going in. So he'll he'll take he'll watch it at some point. I think we'll all right brother We will get a table going soon. And then we wanNA talk about Last jet I. I've been hounding you about that. And I think address. I promise that to other people as well. So maybe we'll get like you and holly and maybe one other Maybe Anne or somebody and we'll we'll see if we can get a little skype zoom or something with all of us in the virtual room together. That sounds fun man. I'm looking forward to it all right. Well you take care of yourself and thanks to everyone for listening. 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Helen Slater

"Hi guys, we want to thank our great sponsor legion 'em. They are the first fan owned entertainment company. We love working with them. They create really incredible experiences for people if you're someone who wants to feel like you own a piece, and are a piece of the industry. It's a great way to do it. They do meet ups all over the country. They have a really cool community going online. I cannot recommend them enough. Go, legion dot com for more information. Arm waterfalls at Jesse Malta Bush, and on our guest today is the lovely Helen's late. Yes. The same Helen Slater, who astonishingly. How can it be thirty five years ago? You were supergirl. How is that possible crazy? I know because you still look super to me. Oh, isn't that nice, but I'm just telling the truth. That's how you've been married, so many years. To say thank you. Thank you. That's so sweet. And I mean, that was I'm we're going to get the whole back story because we're going to grill you all this. But that was your first movie. Yes. And it's it became I, I guess your signature is the best way to put it. But who could have envisioned certainly not you or anybody else that you'd be still involved with supergirl, all these years later and its newest incarnation. Yeah. It's to be playing her mother. Now, I play super girl's mom on the CBS, or now CW show. No see coaching c w think it's still CW. Yes, but a station with letters. We'll just go. I mean, it is sort of the, it's just the oddest job to have had to have played that role because then on smallville which was also about the superman as you know, as a teenager, I played his biological mom from creek. Thanh. And then there's another one to all the animated series. I play Martha Kent. So I think they time they just enjoy. It's not only me, I think it's all of us that have been in this DC universe. Get asked again. And again or what a lovely thing all my gosh. It's so sweet. It's great for you guys who get to do it, and it's great for the fan. Well, I just was at a Comecon in England. Oh, mind, you know, I can tell you, the, the fans the people that are real DC world fan. They are they just love those connections and being able to like a really good. We are talking about this last night, because I was telling my dad doesn't get to watch a lot of TV. And I was saying that this is something that's so common where they bring people in, and it, it really makes it multigenerational in a whole other way. Yeah. So it's not just someone may not know you or supergirl. But now you're super. Girls mum. Yes. And in what at the comic cons, a lot of times it's the parents that's it and the kids will have seen the TV show. And but they always, you know, at the kamikaze they'll print up some right right right in the supergirl. Hang, and sometimes the kids are just like staring at it like it doesn't quite make sense. Melissa Benoist as supergirl from that person on the dad is saying, all that was Super Bowl when I was, and she's very. You too are quite similar. She's very simple, qualities. I can't say I mean I want to say that's the highest compliment. Melissa Benoist is one of the kindest, hardest working, you know, one hour television. I've been on a few shows also as a series regular where the hours are just so unforgiving. It's never it's very rarely a ten hour day twelve hour day and, and with special effects like supergirl, it's the CGI. It's going on many times, fourteen hour fifteen hour days and she has never lost her seat. I mean like just kept the just, you know, she'll say if something feels tiring or whatever, but, but no just no drama behaviors such a I can't say enough great things about her there. So lucky to have found her and really and young winner. Very lucky because she's exactly what you want them to emulate as. Real person. Yes. Because only here nice things and then in the role. Yeah, definitely. But it is the generational it. What makes me happy makes me excited. It's part of what honestly what I love about family guy, and because Seth McFarland is such a he's a jazz nut. You know, he's a musical theater guy. So the same thing, the jokes, the jokes that they will make on that show. Merican dad to you know Pearl Bailey is the name of the high school like very, it's stuff that I realized there are four of us getting it and loving every minute and the rest. Nobody has a clue sign with me. Eight the fine my me that's. Is there a difference in the vibe, the atmosphere, the interactions at a British Comecon, and there is to Ray t-? Well, the accent is so lovely, it softens anything sometimes people coming up and saying, you know, I had a woman in this last comic. Con I mean it was just so odd. And she said to me something like you know, you looked very ill at the comic con from two years ago, just look very sick, and I smile politely, but she's saying it with the loveliest Akron. So like, it's you're kind of getting. Yeah, I'm trying to think what the difference if I can think of what the American comic cons have done. I'm going to metropolis this weekend. I haven't been in quite a while, like ten years. I think they, it's this tiny little one and it's the birthplace of superman. It's metropolis Illinois. And, and I'll have a better sense. Of the American ones from that found the fans are. But usually everybody is so kind and, and many times what they're telling you is not necessarily. Oh, I loved you in the movie, but they're telling you stories like, you know, my dad passed away last year, and I have this memory when I was twelve you know, sitting on the couch and that movie coming on, and it really becomes more about that in that way. It's sort of this unexpected thing, where you're hearing people's very moving stories including people that have been through, you know, just unbelievable tragedy and illness and really willing to share their stories. So I I always feel moved moved by that piece of it. Well that, but that is where we do still need each other, and where the Interweb and everything else you can't really replace is that. And having someone come up and do exactly that, which is this was my whenever I was sick and I was home from. School. I watch with my mom, it's like the end. I think you're speaking to something true, which is just the human that human contact or being connected. Even just for few minutes with, you know, being able to be seen as crazy as the various cons are, and they are crazy. Have you been? Then if you've been in that were in so many. Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh. San Diego comic. Con guess where we tell you con and we've been to isn't it inner crowding San Diego's. That's insane done that once and I don't think I can do that again though. Like I mean that must have been to. Everybody we meet or have any conversation with have been really nice. Yes. Really? Really nice just a lot of so many of them. Yes, I mean, if we start makes you think the mass of humanity, it's like the mouth it. Yeah. But what did you finish? What you were saying. I'm sorry. I don't know if no no no, no. It's, it's, it's that though, it's that the thing that makes me really excited for the cons. Is that whether it's d- Twenty-three or anything else, people plan for them for a whole year or two years? They, they find out who's gonna come and they will sit for hours to whether it's hall H or it's just getting into whatever the city is there, too. I have a lot of friends who go to the cons around the world and across unit there. So many of them, and a lot of for a lot, especially voice actors, there's a lot of them were. This is their life mango from this to this, Jason Marston is oh. Oh, yeah. Everywhere, there's, you know, there's so many and now the artists also the, the cut that's been a huge boom, I think, in the last more than when I did my first one, I haven't done that many, but it now seems like there's this great financial way to make some money during you know, where which is great great. Yeah. So. I don't know how to begin this, exactly. But when you attended the high school for performing arts and New York City, did you actually do production numbers out on the street? I'll just like in fame. Tell me it was just. Thing and I'm not saying it because it's my alma mater, and I love it so much. We my class, which Erica Gimpo. She played CoCo and fame. She was in my class, Lisa Vidal, who's a working actress kisha Lewis, who took over for Jennifer Holliday in Dreamgirls. They were all part of my class, and we were part of the bus and truck, this very split like a special you had to audition in the eleventh grade, and it was an original musical that I composed. And then we would take it on tour in the city to public schools in Harlem Spanish Harlem, and all over the city and we were the kind of kids like our class were the very Singye probably annoying to the musicians are some some track. But we really did like have this kind of innocent buoyant, it wasn't that far off from the fame. I'd say that's just great. Yeah. Yeah. Mean for us, we were, we just were so I mean, when you think now I'm fifty five years old now, and I look back at that fifteen year old and that sense of just joy and youth. And when you just feel like you can absolutely do anything, and just how precious that time is in seeing it, in my daughter, and my nieces and my friends kids that kind of. You know, just facing forward and your life in front of you and what's going to happen really lovely. Did your daughter inherits showbiz bug from you? She went to NYU Tisch. She was in the Stella Adler school, and then she transferred to the film school and made a web series and kind of how she's like you and your husband. She's she has a lot more rob because they have more of that humor from like the office, and they both we've all done improv, but she's really done that improv track. And now if you could see my face anyone, that's listening Leonard and Jesse can see she's now living in Brooklyn, which is fabulous for her with her great Kabbal of women writers, and they're part of this brook- Brooklyn collective, it's like an improv collective, and they get up and do their art and their work and their but you know it's super far away, but she's, she's happy. And she had. Couple of like maybe opportunity to come back to L A. And she was like, you know, I'm really, really happy here, and well we're which I'm from New York, so it'd be although I was living on the on New York on the upper east side, and she's in Brooklyn, so it may as well be Moscow so far from. Yeah. Anyways mom's there so she gets good. That's something your parents artistic at all my parents, they divorced when I was eight years old. And my, my dad worked in public television. He was the general manager in the vice president for PBS, and w t twenty six and then my mom was a she went to law school. When I was a senior, and practice law, and then justed all piecework for the last, I have the best story about her. Can I share? Yes, it's just too, and you can always cut it out if it's too. So she's this really feisty Jewish mother like super overbearing brilliant, like. I went to college at fifteen and just this really intense energy, and she and I have always bumped heads our whole life, but not out of no love just whatever the mother daughter because stalled is, which all mother daughters have to go through. So a few years ago, I said to her, it was just so becoming like a little too stressful. And I said, look, when I come, I'm going to stay in a hotel, we'll still go to the theatre. We'll still go to meals. We'll still see Hannah my daughter, but I just think it's just being and she was, you know, as you can imagine very upset about this. But she we did it. We'd just was what had to happen and around three years into this. I was doing the little movie in New York, and I had a few days off, and I called her, and I was like, mom wanted. I come stay with you. And she was like, oh my God. This is so wonderful. Yes. Come stay with me. And we had the best time ever. We walked through central park, a six mile walk. We stayed up till three in the morning talking about philosophy and. Religion and literature and just the best time. And on the third day and I should just back track a little bit. So her work in the peace movement has been specifically around nuclear disarmament, and she's traveled all over the world you can look up. Alex Slater written articles in the New York Times Alice to we haven't Alice to your mother, your husband anyway, so on the third day. I the phone rings at five in the morning, and I come out, and I have met never really seen my mother cry. Just not seen her really my and she's with stream Watertown, her face. And I'm like, mom, what's happening? What's going on is everything? Okay. And she puts the phone down. And she says we've won the Nobel peace prize. Now, what were the chances her, or one of her organizations? I can that I would be in the house on the morning that she got this news. I took her to Oslo. She was in the ceremony. I had to go with all the family members watching on the video, and it was just one. Of the most incredible not making up. But, like just an extraordinary story in my life that, that happened. Yeah. And the reason I can want want it, and then that's international coalition against nuclear right wrong. Something like that. Is because for in twenty seventeen or yeah, twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen twenty eighteen they did this initiative at the United Nations to get as many countries as possible to sign a petition that would say nuclear weapons are unlawful and because of that one thing that they were able to get done. They were awarded the Nobel peace prize. And you know it was it was an incredible experience. Got to share that with and share with their end that I was in the apartment when it said, I'm not staying we're taking break for a few. It's just too much anyway. So the previous healthy maybe oh my gosh. Sometimes, you know that thing of you just sometimes have to do that. So there you are in. Yes in your senior year. Yes. High school for performing arts. And how does the audition for supergirl come about? So I graduated in June. And then we I said to both my parents, I said, you know, I'd like to take some time to see if I can addition and get get something because the rule was performing arts in general. You weren't allowed to work. Sometimes they were exceptions. But they really were very strong like come and get this training, and it was a vocational high school. It was very strict. And how our member reading that they actually forbid you. Yeah. I mean, it was pretty strong, and there were some a couple of exceptions, but for the most part it really was that was the letter of the law. So I said, let, I'd like to try this, and so I started in July auditioning for things. And I think I addition for supergirl I in September bike beginning of September after I graduated. And you know, it was just a shock. I had to agents at the time one of them wanted to send me up for supergirl and the other one to send me up for super girls friend. So I went with the agent, that would like go for the part of supergirl. Yeah. Can you walk us through that? I'm sorry. You've probably had to tell the so many. No. Okay. Well, my mom, bringing my mom back in Alice, she sewed me Cape. I definitely went in fully propped up. She sold the Cape by I remember the acting in with the other girls, the other girls. They're so how do you get a room with it? Because performing arts on. You know, you are this was dead serious for me. And but I remember seeing the other young women there and no one had a Cape. I was like, well, maybe this is the distinguishing piece nerves. I my heart like bang, bang, bang. Just pounding just the nerves of its of that audition. I remember very specifically and I remember one acting teacher saying the obstacle strengthens the will. So I was like, you know, strengthening the well against that fear, and then I ought dishes, and then they brought me back for screen test in England. And there is a documentary the making of supergirl. I think it's on the DVD now. And Lynn stall master who's revered casting director. Yes. And he talks about his strategy forgetting them to cast me after that first edition was to bring me when they brought me back for the second one before the screen test, he said his thinking was, like, bring her in first, so that he thought that, that would be like, I don't know, somehow that was his strategy as opposed to bring her in last after everybody, and then it was just this wild change of life. Experience I trained with Alf join to trained Christopher Reeve and gain twenty five pounds and did all this weight training translating. I mean it was right boost shirt. You drinking protein drinks and running and weight training fencing horseback riding he just had me do as many athletic swimming three times a week, everything to sort of build up as sense of being an athlete lake being an athlete, and, and then learning how to fly on the wires, which was. Quite a trip. And I and I heard it's actually hasn't changed that much now with Melissa the way they do it, it isn't that much different. They still have like the diaper harness with Rhianna wires and the. I'm watching video of my friend who had a fall, so it, so it's like this morning with Jaylen laughing because you do think all the technology in the world, all the things we have, and he still awkwardly dents in half going. Oh, I just need, only my friend has said and we she night joke about this because she just she directed a couple of years ago, this movie ride about of surfing movie mother surfer, and she said it's six thousand years. We've been in the film and the sound department has not none. Nothing. That's improve with sound. You're still getting wide with them. Putting it right. Traits in your private parties. They haven't like the only thing that. And supergirl flying has just stayed has not improved. Is it true that you actually talked to Christopher Reeve about? I did he was at pinewood studios originally he was going to be in the script, and then I think just the, the way that the schedules are working out. He couldn't do it then. But we did become friends, and I have told this story before of when he and I were in New York, and we were out late one night, and we had gone to dinner, and we were sitting on central park, south or central park west on a park bench, and it was late like, maybe one in the morning and two or three fire trucks comes zooming down central park west, let's just say and Chris turned to me, and he said, oh, here's superman and supergirl and not a thing we can do to help, you know, like the. Yeah. So he was a lovely lovely man. I don't know if you ever got to meet him, just briefly. Yeah. I mean, just so kindhearted. And interestingly this comic con I was at an England Brandon routh ran around. He is. Is really has a Chris vibe, like, just as gentle, hard and kind of warmth into just such a sweetness. And I we talked about it briefly and he said, you know, I've been told that before and really wild anyway. It's one hell of a compliment. Yeah, right. Yeah. You're going to see him haired that. That's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Don't remember your first day on the sound stage, such a good question. What was the first day? I don't. I don't know that. I remember the first day I remember the first day of flying and I remembered that they were starting to pull me up on the wires. And I remember quietly singing to myself. Hello, dolly. I. That song, I guess it was all those summer stocks. Some are. I remember I'd send that when I was little learning how to water ski like trying to get up on the water skis. So I was singing like, Hello, Dolly as they were lifting me. And, you know, you're lift, you're not it's not just two feet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Any fear out there here and again, just that feeling like you're just I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the implications of this. But you're giving the impression that you're okay. And to yourself and yeah. This sense of your okay? Well, and I trust the people that I was working out joint and the people that were yeah, it goes. There's another funny motion of things that haven't changed. His flying is still the arms out. Yes. So, you know. One, Chris had a thing with, like, because he was a pilot about, like some sort of sectional. Yes. It like there was he was an airplane. Hey, you know what you're superman. You do. Whatever you want. Yeah. Right. You wanna be a plane. You'd be a plane. Exactly. And, and how would you sum up the experience of making that movie wasn't a was it a positive experience? Much sounds like unknown. Yeah. You know, I mean it was it was great. It was a great experience. I mean it completely changed the trajectory of my life. So for the just for that, alone, I feel like it just hold such a place in my psyche. And the fact that it's still going on just the it's that's sort of just an odd. I mean imagine seeing a picture of yourself at eighteen years old when you go to Comecon or some yet, you're kind of it. Oh, it's. So it's, it's very present. Yeah. I wished it was a it had done better. Obviously the writing. I mean I don't know. Part of it was that it was a super girl, and they couldn't fashion it exactly in the same way as superman. I'm not. I don't know. Why not? But then, you know, I went on and did ruthless people and secret of my success and movies that really broke out, I think a little better than what Chris was up against. I think for him it was much, much harder. No, you didn't get straitjacketed no pun intended. Right. That part. Right. Career-wise. Yeah. That was sort of maybe the silver lining of not doing as well. Interesting. Well, you're next film, made a big big impact on my daughter, here, the magin to Billy g. Yep. I. That's one of the very first movies that I saw where I started to understand the whole girl, power situation, which is why I think it has the effect that it does. Yeah, I love hearing that. And I've had so many people share that with me, it was on TV a lot, which is also a factor. Yes. When something's on a ton. Yes. No. And sinks, in it doesn't messages that they were saying, well, I looked, I looked it reviews and it wasn't a super well review now, but and I said to my dad, I have no clue if I watched it now I think I'd still love it. Yeah, just because that's well it holds up place. Yeah. Play for me. That's, that's that movie I didn't realize as well until much later that that was Christian Slater. That's not what stuck in my head. Yeah. And yard can Smith her voice of Lisa Simpson. Because she gets her period in the film, right? Which is a little bit again. You're going. What does that mean reasoning with the lady MTA super embarrassed about? And then when I got. Older, and I went, oh, it misses terrible yet. It now. Okay. But again, in terms of things not changing. What's the first thing in the film that, that shows you're active of power, and you don't own me as cutting the hair, so get some things don't change? And I had people tell me they cut their hair also that, that film they had their for whole look your whole. Look, you go from being what just standard beautiful. Yeah. You know where it's like all I get it. I get react the way they do. And then you're in a biker type Ryano name with the blue and the paint and the hair and the earrings. And everything it it stuck. It did. It was there. And I do I still think about it. That's why meeting you the other day for the first time I just went, oh, by the way, just we had the best time at the do we call it the malls fest. It's all my gosh. That's it's anybody. That's listening that lived in Los Angeles. Or if you live anyway. Where in the world or country, just make it a destination. It was so much fun. We saw song catcher with his not. He's I cannot it was just so beautiful. And I think we did see it when it originally came out. I went with rob. And but I didn't remember so much of it. And we were both just crying and just hard opened in that story is just so beautiful. And now having heard what you do, which we will get into an amid as his, but it makes that much more sense. That's a perfect movie for you to see just so the whole point of the festival, which we will be doing again. Yes. The whole point of the festival was to show movies that needed cried out to find an audience, lean, again, yes, we need that. And I also just that it the family affair that your wife was making. Is it true that Allen g making the woman with the mouse? Let me tell you. I was waiting for a cop to come up. I really was I was waiting for an auto license and just go, listen, you cannot just be pushed she had champagne she's pouring. She made was it was mother's day, which makes sense, which makes it so Alice was pouring. Mom, mom. All right. That was so fun. Alice without. They're just getting everybody. Tanked? The way to go. It was very fun. All the volunteers were so our friends. Yes. That's the thing. We abused everyone. We know. But that's all friends there. Yeah, we'll come every year it was terrific was that the first. I it's going to be I think it's going to just keep getting bigger and bigger and thank you. That's the goal is to have exactly what you had, which is you see something. And you think, oh my God this movie. Yeah. How did I not see it? I'm so glad I did. And I said to friends, you may not love all the movies. Yeah. No, you can't. That's not how it works. But at the very least you won't feel like you, you won't feel like you wasted any time it will still feel valuable Boone of being at the AGIP Shen youthful. All of this all of it was wonderful. And that's why having you. There was such a trip. Oh, yeah. I'm so glad it really was. And then, so you have to tell the story, though of how you initially met them. Well, some years ago, and I mean some years ago, I think twenty five maybe not to be you play this game. But whenever we think it's five it's ten ten oh gosh, I very depressing. Sometime back. Your husband rob watts key. Yes, sent me a copy of short subjects that you had done a theatre troupe layers. We were doing improv and all in gibberish, by the way, are improv in L A. We would do these shows then yeah. Yes. So and sent me, a very cute funny. Wims ical short subject called heaven's poppin. On the Olsen and Johnson show, and we'll be held a pop and I really liked it. And I, I think in those pre Email days, I wrote back in actual letter, I think he's saying how much I enjoyed his quill. Can I tell you what it meant to him to? It was just such a huge just a huge thing in his life. Compliment to have you be saying that. And I think he I know he did he put your quote on the DVD. Because when you're independent, and you're making your things, you know, it's very hard to get any kind of acknowledgement from the real world or from the established world. So that was so kind. And well, it was because the film was charming and really, he's a terrible person, you wouldn't he would never do. Well, I don't think you would probably give your endorsement to something if it wasn't for your tastes now. Closeness hit hit the spot. Yeah. And I'm so that that's what put you back on my radar. And right. Introduced me. You know, the snail mail been rob. So when you walked up to say Hello Maltin fest about a month ago. It was like whoa, Hello. Yes. I remember you guys. Right. We were so happy. We all are. Yeah. I'm so happy. So when you started working as a working actress continued your career after supergirl and Billie Jean, but Billie Jean was that like for you. Well, I'm starting about to skip over your favorite. Hits you across his table charge. Oh, and also interestingly with the whole hashtag whole, too, I just said his hat while to him, you know, everything oldest new again. Yeah, this movie's the Pitta me of that. I mean I don't think it was the first. But just so in the eighties that here was theme. And the guys that wrote it were Walter Bernstein wrote, I believe the first version of the legend, Billie Jean, and he was blacklisted writer during the McCarthy period. And that is why I believe the movie has a lot of resonance resonance because he was telling kind of a political story, even though it's dressed up in a blonde trailer park. You know, curl kids that are on the wrong side of the tracks, and kind of in this hashtag me too movement back, then that it was sort of a modern Saint Joan story. And, but any, my I do think other brighter came in at once Jim Peters came on board. And it did get probably more water. Down or shifted around a bit. But, but I think the nugget of it is there. And that is when I probably was super is what it is. And you the image of you that, that sir just like you're super girl. It is quite funny. It was those roles were like, yeah. And then there's us Billie Jean just looking like a bad. Yeah. You know, can a little bit like Bowie, right? Just and had been ATar song invincible, which I know a lot of people were Fanta. Fanta and Christian Slater is in that and Christian who obviously went on to have a gigantic Donald, he's done really. Well, and people, I know he gets this, because I get it all the time, we play brother and sister in the movie, people are always asked go, I just would be simplicity say, Yep. Yes, we s we are. But I mean, what are the chances of that, that you sell my wife? Your brother and sister. Yeah. Time when when people don't necessarily know either of you oh. Oh I if it was today. I think somebody might have other is actually a well known casting director. Mary Jo Slater. And she had, I think she may have cast me in something before this. But since then I think I had had a new her and certainly had met her before I had done supergirl or legend diligent because she was in the New York Jets in the New York, sees interesting. Yeah. So that means you, do you uprooted and moved here to LA after I did ruthless people. I'm trying to remember the order. I moved to Los Angeles. I was in New York. I had started this theater company with Fisher Stevens, and Nancy Travis called naked angels, and kolber dead. And it went on to do really wonderful things, and it was February in New York City, and I was on seventy fifth, I was living on the Upper West side between Columbus and Amsterdam, and I had to just go to the subway to go down for hersal or something. And I was so. Cold. I mean, it's I'm barest. This is just an embarrassing story. I just and I remember getting home and just thinking, I'm done if I can work in California, Los Angeles. I, I don't wanna be cold like this, or the very short version for them wasn't. It was supposed to fly about my dad commuted for two years from New York to LA for entertainment to know you from New York both my parents, my mum's Bronx. Oh, jesse. My parents are from the pet sounds like it. Yes. Sounds like your mom and my mom, we, we have our Alyce. Yes. And then my dad's born in Manhattan, but raised in Teaneck New Jersey, but gosh so, so they my dad was commuting this trip. My mom would come out with him. They were supposed to fly home, but there was a blizzard, and they weren't sure if they were going to get it was one of those where you might be you might end up in Chicago. You might add up in Syracuse. You change. Hassle. So there was this incoming blizzard, which they were certain was gonna shut down all the airports. Yeah. So we we played hooky for a weekend. Yeah. In february. Yeah. In february. Yeah. And stayed here and we had an outdoor brunch Patty's. Sure, Luke, Elaine. Luke allay to my mom always says we were sitting outside at patties and I said, I'm I'm done now. I'm done with the col-. I'm not there is for some of us. It's not everybody. But for some of us really is was like that, like and now they're both wusses now. They can't handle any kind of weather. They've been immaterial to stay warm is much better in two thousand nineteen. I think the down call the law. I don't know that they had the hype Jesse, we said raise you're never gonna hear growing up here in southern California bundle. Yeah. No, we're layers layers was another one. It's like oh, so, so shirt. Yeah. And then a sweater layers right layers. I did make the move, and then I met rob, my so Helen hunt, and I went to the reason I knew to come out here was not only from doing the movie ruthless people, but because there was a group of actors that actually was my mom had helped organize. It was a filmmakers exchange between Russia and New York, and me Judd Nelson Mary, Stuart Masterson. Helen hunt, Craig Sheffer, Tim ransom Erica. Gimpo and kisha Lewis who were my friends from performing arts. We went to Moscow at in a filmmakers exchanges on the wall was still up so nineteen eighty-seven and they had artists come over here was this exchange, and we went to the national theatre the Moscow, national theatre and toward, and that's held, and I met and had this incredible. Just so much fun talking for, you know, sixteen hours a day. And when she was living in L A, and I came back. She said, I want you to come. Come to Gary Austin's improv class. Oh because she had done improv in Moscow. She got up an improvised and my mouth dropped open. I was like, how the heck do you do that? And she was completely fearless. And when I came to LA, she said, go to Gary Austin's improv class. He founded the groundlings, and she was on a movie she'd gotten a part somewhere. So she wasn't there, and I walked in, and I called her that night, and I said, I met the man, I'm gonna marry rapport. And she said, rob Watson. And I was like, how did you know, and she's like I just knew. And that's where I met, rob. So it's because of Helen hunt via Gary Austin that I met, rob. Moscow via Mazi. My mother. All comes back to. Exactly always, but anyway, but yes. So that's how I ended up in Los Angeles long story short longer start making these high profile movies with very high profile stars co-stars. And I'm wondering, you know, this people and the secret of my success and sticky fingers, guests and city slickers. Chris. Who I'm not asking favorites or anything like no no indiscreet who impressed you I hadn't who on a stage win working in a scene. And you and I have I have two two stories that stand out in my mind, and one was with Peter O'Toole on supergirl. So I was eighteen and green is green is could be. And there was one day where we just there's nothing much. They were setting up the shot or the something, and he said, do some Shakespeare for me because he knew I'd gone to performing are tonight. Did start the Juliet speech though knows the mask of night is on my face else would have made ins blush paint my cheek for that which was over heard me speak tonight, and my arms are flailing and I'm very earnest and I'm just acting my heart out. And he says, you know, I want you to try it again. And this time I want you to imagine that you're holding a daffodil between your thumb and your pointer and just keep your hands down by your side and. And do the monologue again. And this time I did it. I still get. So touched thinking of this, and I could just feel even at that age the poetry coming through without the flailing. And the language was the thing, and that was really one of those profound just acting tip moments. And the other one was with Bette midler on ruthless people, and it was a scene, where it's a very high comedy scene. And I had coached I had learned very early on. It's good to get an acting coach for film because you're not having any real rehearsal, nothing's in time, and the acting coach can actually just help you have things on the day because you're shooting out of order that can bring the scene to life. I worked with Perry, Barry primus. He was a wonderful acting coach from the actress studio. But we got to the day of the scene, where I'm having to tell Bette midler that her husband Danny devito is not willing to pay the ransom. And you know, she's pay Szekely. I have to. This terrible news because we're holding her hostage and, and, you know, the emotion just wasn't there. I had my sensory, and I had my notes from Barry, and I had, but I could the nerves or the something and you've, I'm sure you've talked to many, many actors and you probably have as well that, you know, a lot of the technique is, what do you do in that moment? If you can't, you know how can you stay relaxed, or how are you going to well, in this moment, and I was just struggling and bet turned to me. And she said, I just just let's do one take where you imagine that you're telling me pretend that you're having to tell me that I have cancer now. It sounds very heavy and very dark, but not for my twenty two year old little self it just relaxed the system and I could be in the imaginary world with her and the feeling was all there. And so those are two very strong moments with fancy people, I've had. Many others, without so many, but those are two that stand out in my mind to gems kindness, always sticks with people, that's the first thing another actor wanting to help you and one thing I do notice because I've now been like the last eight nine years, I've been on three television series as, as a series regular playing the mom. That's I'm pretty sure that's true in Austin and here in LA in Vancouver and the pace is so fast. I mean it's it's so there's it really is like NASCAR. Yeah. Like try by just so quickly and so anything you can bring a lot now at this age, like playing the moms I feel like can you just bring a sense of warmth, and like good humor and to help the kids, relax or that? And you know, it really does go such a long way. Even if I can't say enough about the feeling like I'm on the. Other side of I hope I can get it, right. Or I really want on the other side of just how can I make this good for everybody else, or you know, you're, you're not only helping the younger actress on your set? Yeah. But you're kind of being an exemplar for that. You're, you know, you're saying this is how it this is. How goes. Yeah, I hope so. When hopefully they take that with them, you know, how this, of course and it moves and move. We have these people. We remember right? That kind of like you just even if it's just briefly. You're like, oh, I remember, like they were actually it doesn't matter what job you do. Everyone. Everyone has the Davis show was nice to them. I repeat it constantly but everyone and entertainment tonight, treated me like gold. Oh, and because of that different because of growing up there and growing up with them. I've never had patients for route people. Yeah. Because though they I was a kid. They had I could give them nothing. Yeah. They got nothing from me in that sense. They were kind they were so sweet. Yes. So sweet. Down way means a lot, and it, does it sticks with you. And that means that they're young actors who one day when they're are a little older. We'll get to say the same thing. Yeah. Maybe you know it's a cycle, you know that. And that's it. It's also it's also why someone wants to hire you. Yeah. Although that is an interesting thing about the work really being it does I always heard it, and I was like, well, I just think I'm always going to be working, you know, like, I don't know, even though when I had Hannah I really just loved stopping I was working, maybe once a year much less, but I did really love being a mom and raising her. I just always had that sense. The work is here to Lois, come, and it does, but it really is true you get older. And it really does start to it's just lessons. You have to find other other means to keep yourself going. I want to ask you about something I this isn't a anything negative in any way. But you you were. Co-star on a big network TV series. Right. Co created by David milch. Yes. Capital news. Just aired as we're speaking, two point. Oh or something. Right. And, and Lloyd, bridges was star. Yes. And this had all the promise no one ever asks about that this habit, all the promise of being like a new yes show something like Aaron Sorkin snooze. Exactly. Generation later. Yes. And it didn't it didn't work. I know we did one season. And it just kind of I mean he's brilliant. David milch. There's no question, and I saw how he worked with actors people would come in, and if they had a problem he'd be like, come on bring them over to the computer and have them if he was have if somebody had trouble, I remember him going, like, well, what do you think he should say, or, you know, like he was just which always is the best a lot. Darren sorkin. And he's the genius of all geniuses. But I don't know why that didn't go. I, I haven't seen it since then. So I'd be curious. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I think it aired, I think air, it did go on the episode. So it did go. Yeah. Yeah. 'cause I was wondering about that. Because when you're starting a series you don't know, know if it's going to be five years out of your life. Exactly. Or thirteen weeks out of your exactly, and you have to obviously be optimistic and positive and getting ready to settle in. Yeah. Here's long getting to know your fellow actors and the crew, and you're doing the producers and, and sometimes the rug gets pulled down to be very funny feeling. Well, I think I don't think it's just actors I think it's anyone that's in the creative business and generating their own work or being dependent on other people to give them work. It's very unpredictable. I mean it's not for the faint of heart. Sure. And certainly not got you did. Get to do as you mentioned earlier, briefly some voice work for DC. Yes. I play Martha Kent in the DC. It's called. Oh, gosh. Don't re-taped this. Let me just fall on my face. It's the animated Batman the animated series. Yes, I play Talia the Russian villain. And I have a lot of people Comecon come up with their Taliban animated things cell and I signed superhero girl shit. Dc superhero girls. Yes. That DC superhero girls. And I play Martha Kent. I, I lose I am stripped of my superpower, although you're a mom, I'm the mom superhero. And also, I'm a mom that's true. That's true. Remember that? So what has what do you find sustains you? That's such a good question too silky and the fishing the suck. That's the la-. Yes. Well. I think I mean what is sustaining? It is. I think my good marriage. Is that just so embarrassed? Why would that? That's, that's I'll tell the chew them to such a shoutout to rub. Lots key right now. When Hannah went to college, I don't know if it was the first or second year. I don't even know if I've told him this. He knows this though. He's, you know, started this nonprofit turbine arts and does these wonderful improv shows and brings in local LA artists on Sunday nights and kind of just does this as his love and creative hobby on their website. Yes. Turbine arts collective. I think that's sure turbine arts. Oh my gosh. Find that you can find that you can guess. Anyway, it was like the first or second year, and there was this emptiness thing that hit or I don't know how to describe it. I just want mother. Join clubs you. I mean, an all I news starting at around three o'clock in the afternoon, probably the time when I used to pick her up at school or something. I just kind of settle on the couch. And you know, this just this just kind of a little bit blue and dreary, and I just had this impression in feeling of rob and not impression he'd be like, come on old, girl and Sunday nights. He would make me perform, you know, we would do improv shows and things like that, and it was just such a gift to kind of whether he meant to or not, like, you know, get me out, and you just, you know, there's life is still going on, so that, that was that's fun. And that continues to go on. Do you enjoy improv? I do I do. He's masterful at. I'm not just saying it because he's my husband. There are people that are just and he's teaching it. Now, does these he teaches introduction, and then two classes during the week for this particular technique, which is not based on comedy? It's based on you only do impr-, you only take from what you're getting from the other person. So you're never having to think up something funny, or come up with a funny line. And he's, he's really interested in that way of working. But yeah. And then the but in terms of what is sustaining or what my friendships, I think, really help a lot being. I've been a composer, I have made five records. I've just finished a sixth album that's been helpful. Yeah. I'm and center. Yes. Well, that's because it's like too much work to find other people. I'm like. I know I have done musical theater workshops and in fact, Cal State Long Beach did a production. I my last album before this was based on the ugly, duckling Hans Christian Andersen's, ugly duckling and Cal State Long Beach this woman as part of her thesis in her grad, pro agreed school. She directed a play of it, and it was beautiful. These kids were incredible. These college kids, performed it as theater piece, which was very in keeping at my performing arts days, bus and truck writing these theater Hughes. So yeah, yeah. But Tom fast that sustaining multi faster. So the Selke and the fishermen is I'm calling it sell key now but it is the store. It's the myth of the Selke in the fishermen, which is a very well known myth in the Scotland Ireland Celtic traditions, but you can also find it in South America, and in Iceland, and in all the cultures have this story, and I read it in this book by Clarisa pin, cola SD's, she wrote this wonderful book called women who run with the wolves. She's a union psychologist, but she took these archetypal stories the Selke being one of them ugly. Duckling was one of them the match girl Bluebeard, and she uses these stories from her union point of view to say, all women, these are rites of passage that all women will go through. And so I was reading it with Helen hunt. We were we had a little women's reading meditation group, and we read through the book and. I was so lit up by that story. And in fact, Helen had I told me about the story before we even read it in the book. So she had heard it beginning beginning and the, the themes of the Selke in the fishermen are about the ability to trust your intuition. And it's the fishermen steals, the pelt of Selke, and she has to live on land for seven years with the fishermen, but they actually do fall in love, and they have a child and after seven years, her skin starts to get very chapped and dry and she has to return to the ocean. And then it goes on from there and took two three years for me to write it mostly because I couldn't get past the abduction the stealing of the pelt that was just especially in light of the hashtag metoo and it just felt too. But once I made the adjustment and reread Clarisa Pinkel Esti story that it is actually a love that falling in. Love can be an abduction doesn't have. Be a literal objection that kind of pushed me through, and I'm super super excited about it, where we just finished mastering, and it will be available and I tunes probably in July August. So you wrote the music, I wrote everything. Yeah, I all my albums are my there. This is my hobby. My I feel like what is that? Oh, I think it's Meg Ryan in with tongues, where she goes my soul in. You've got mail when she's describing, but it is sort of my soul work is using thing going at. That's all you, especially we were listening to it. Together. It is you Lanc you very, it's really beautiful. My dad remembered that you performed at Ganga's Cohen. Oh, yeah. I used to do that. But then it started to feel like you're just having your friends. Come see you. And I was like, oh, I don't wanna make them come out and get Chinese food. Their favorite Chinese though, whenever you want haven't been in such a wild there. Is it still? Yeah. Yeah. What do you get there? What's like number one dish? The no name duck. The no name does. No named up man. I've never eaten. It was think my mother's any. Or is it just because why is it the no name duck? Because it's not a peaking duck. It's like a picking duck. That doesn't require twenty four hours notice when shoo or no, no, the heads these little dumpling. Oh, yes, I'm gonna have to go back. New York echoed, one of the very few places in L A. Do you see the joy that is just yes? At work. I like hearing that we didn't call them that we lived in New York. They were just eggrolls. Okay. Here's my other out here in the spring rolls. Yes, expect you to accept them now. That's unacceptable. Worthless. No, no, no, no. No. It's the most passionate. I've seen you a very. Agro you can feel your arteries hardening as you eat it, so unhealthy it's so completely unhealthy and wonderful, but it is it is what the Jewish people eat on Christmas. Damn straight. Here. That's right. I think was it soda. My are wait. Who's the who keagan? Justice Kagan said that when one of her confirmation hearings that she, she had Chinese food on Christmas, buddy else, or something, like there's a reason a Christmas story is real life. Oh, gosh. Hellum has been such a pleasure having you here. Thank you so much for having me. And I'm so excited after so you give off such a positive radiant. And oh thank you. I'm not a spiritual person in that one. Right. But he did sage the room before you get it. But other than that. No, I but you do you, you emanate thing. Calm and a sense of wellbeing. Thank you very much. Well, it's been such a joy to be here and Jesse my goodness, her skin. Have you ever seen anybody for you listeners? She has the most radiant skin. It's like I'm looking at a painting, I have lupus and a bunch of. Other auto musicians. So I'm really good with makeup. Oh my goodness. Full, I'm sorry, about the, that's okay. That's why I'm good at makeup. But I'll has an you know, we'll your make up his beautiful. Thank you. But I don't think it's makeup people out there that are listening, an inner light to that's coming through. Well, that's a family thing. That's definitely a family thing. 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#146 Spring: Superman for all Seasons

Krypton Report: The Supergirl Podcast

1:25:15 hr | 8 months ago

#146 Spring: Superman for all Seasons

"On and this is Jason J. loose the Voice of Superman on Justice League actions while you're listening to the Krypton report listening to walk away the all things for Tony in casting including Superman and super. We discuss teams to find the FACEBOOK INSTAGRAM YouTube twitter. Welcome to the Krypton report spring everybody as the recording. This is the second day of spring kind of Nice today. The range came back. But you knew it so with me today as always the voice of reason the voice of power the essence of being Jim. Mr James James Tyler. Yeah I do kind of I am kind of the voice of reason I mean I. I could agree with that with his always for this episode. I gotta you gotTa look at it for from all different angles. You know we have. Hi Brian Hey me hey kids. How's it going going gone so with it being this the start of spring? We're going to do something that I don't WanNa do for almost two years now but his tiny. We never get the kind of time right. We're GONNA start our review of Superman for all seasons and it is a story written by Jeff and Tim sales as the art. The team that brought you the great story. That is Batman Long Halloween dark victory. And so we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do a chapter this each season so it is spring so it's time to do the first story that Spring but before we get into this. Here's a question. I WANNA post to you guys. I'll tell you about this today. I was listening to some other podcast. And they were talking about like you know. People love about these different Batman Stories. And all this and you know I got thinking one thing. I think that a Lotta people might have with Superman. Historians is it seems that saying me personally seen general public. They don't care about a superman story of. It's not something to do with his origin or his death. When you talk about like Superman stories those usually to be like the new where everything falls. Think about just the superman stories that people wanna see adapted or talk about or really been. It's always like an origin or his desk. What are you guys? Wow Wow kind of blew my mind ear. This is stuff I never really thought about because even read son is an origin. It is all seasons. You birthrights. Yeah Dude. You're right I I. I don't know I mean that's not particularly particularly where I wants. There's something about general masses. When you look at Superman stories that have been adapted or storylines about that people talk about like all you gotta read this Superman or this like. What are the best stories? Read their they come because I mean even all-star Superman's about his death it touches on his origin. But it's all it's mainly about him. Dying Man of Steel John Byrne a retelling of his origin and reboots. And I mean even looking at my DC animated films that I have Right here. It look at it Superman Superman and Batman Film All Star Superman Death Superman. I am team film different superman vs the elite one. That's not about death. Origin Superman unchained. Or I'm bound. Sorry is you know based off the John Lewis. So there's two of them that aren't about his death origin of the film adaptations and then the rest of them are all like team up or Justice League films and then we get the death of Superman twice my dad in these animated films. So yeah just Kinda you know just something to think about their fellows so I mean I think I now now. I've got a challenge myself. Flake is there any superman story out there? That is not about his death or his origin. That is Sir Awesome. I mean I mean personally when yeah I mean you're totally right like in my head and and every superman story that I love. Yeah it's either an origin or desk. I also superman absolutely love it About this man. But every but every Batman story I love. It's not it's not an origin because it's it's a mystery man James Office over there. What do you got to say? I say that is ridiculous. If that's what people are wanting that they just have no god. I know they have no concept of Superman like these characters especially Superman. Eighty years fatman eighty years. They're more than their origin and their death. You know Superman is the widest known. If you show that shield anybody from ear to frigging Timbuktu. They're gonNA know who it is. I know I agree with but I was wondering about when they come to adapt stories until stories and other mediums. Even look at our latest film series we steal origin being death you know and then justice rebirth turn so I mean even right there in those films granted just as they were talking aside but my third thinking about this started thinking about. This can't talk place when I was doing the survey that came with red sign and they were asking what You know they'll say more of or what stories did and I started putting stuff in the bring. A holistic of people recommended it. I'm like man everything. Superman seemed like at some sort of like those worlds origin or death story. I mean we're you look at it but I'm not. I'm not including like team. Oh books like kingdom come. It's a Justice League. I mean Superman's. Yeah the main focal of. But it's still all cares you know. There's deer great stories. That aren't that but I'm looking at. What the general populace thinks. And maybe to ourselves we've highlighted only like oh we can tell his origin to make an impact over and over in the sack is even the book we're GonNa look at today is an origin Yeah I mean it's it's messed up to say because some of the some of the greatest writers had has had good hands in in crafting great origin stories. I mean you know. Some people love secret origin by Geoff. Johns Jeff Lobe for all seasons birthright mark weighed on birthright. And just to kind of name a few and then you've got You've got obviously you've got the death of Superman you've got all star. See Now all star is is a depth story because that's where it leads but also in in all honesty you know. I think that it's a celebration of all things Superman Gold and Silver Age Superman in in particular so just the I don't know I there are plenty there are tons of stories about Superman Over the years and you know some major impactful stories. I mean there's kingdom come which is analysis world story. There's the man for the man who has everything What's so funny about Truth and Justice and the American Way? the The movies I mean Superman BRAINIAC Well Superman BRAINIAC. The story turned into Superman. Unbound Superman Batman public enemies and apocalypse. So there's tons of good stories. That people are missing out on I. I just feel that every time every time they start something they always have to. You know they always have to start with an origin for some reason I mean Batman. We know how Superman we know Spiderman. We know they don't need to do that like homecoming. They just kinda jumped right in. They didn't even go over it in in civil war. You know Approved taxonomic. We deal with these characters and I mean even Batman Yarn. No we didn't really get a straight origin. Tale like yeah. It wasn't an origin Taylor was just in the like the beginning of his career because he was in urban legend. It was something I was thinking of earlier about like famous superman stories. That people talk about most of them are can't get right Just just the one thing about it is you know. There's there's been many great stories over the years throughout his career. That weren't origin or death. But you know you can't help the fact that that some great writers have made some really great stories that take place at that particular point in his life and his career. So I mean that's just that's just the writers who've done it in who've who made such great who did such a great job so my My wife brought up a good point as doing some research. She said she said it's because movies have made people desire beginning and an end not like streak saga comic books to There used to different styles. Different actors. All these studios want trilogies. And they don't understand the story from the comics that they're trying to interpret. They don't understand story ARCS. It's all let's start a story. Maybe we'll throw it together And you have all these stories not written by conclave writers or really maybe even lover of comics. You just have people looking to make money now. I I can't say I can't argue her there. I did some research Tom. What are what are like ranks by people and fans the top superman stories and I have a list of about fifteen here and we got so fifteen. We got Superman to then we got birthright got a seal burke secret origin Superman all seasons. Just going up this list high. See One that I haven't read yet Pretty much the only one on the list. That really is an origin story. But it's superman last son and I completely forgot about this story. It's it's not bad. I read that one but what I'm saying like an outside of comics through these people but anyways so it's not the end of the world so it's yeah it's a general audience point of view the beginning middle and and The fact is even. The general audience knows the beginning of Superman. And they don't need they don't need to do it again. You don't need to you need to start superman. At the death of Krypton crashing in Smallville and growing up we know that everybody know so James. Where would you say that they should start at them? Like where would you start at like him meeting lessons for the First Time? I mean you know it's This is already start it. I would start early start you want. I mean I don't WanNa start so if I was to make like if I was going to be making more of a long line of movies or something or a series because these characters lend themselves well to to long form storytelling but It would start fairly early on but not not origin. He'd already be in metropolis. He Be Superman doing. Its thing pro- probably doing more of the Natural disasters and saving people and stuff like that but we get our first super villain and I mean lex would be involved but I do. I will wouldn't put lack says the first as the first super villain because I think he's too intelligent to be the first one out the gate and be taken down right away absolutely agree. I'll just just as a broad opening their. That's how I would do that. You know to to pick a due to pick a villain to start with. I mean you can do all kinds of And like it was done in man of steel. It's going to be a worldly threat you know so I mean and that could be any number of Mongo BRAINIAC for one. But he's been done a couple of times I mean you can do a few different things. So May- maybe go cosmic that way and then do something a little more personal second time around like like an elite story Manchester Black people challenging the way superman does things is effectiveness. So let's done. What do we know what? Gee James That's what we need man. Let's migrate into our sides here about Superman for all seasons now win did you guys. I read this story the other day really hit before. Now go ahead finish your compliment that no Jeff Jeff Logan sales are are some. They're my favorites collaborators But for some reason I missed this story I never got to read it but I I read the whole thing last night and I was not disappointed and James was the first time you ready the book for the first time I have one I've seen for a long time and Ernie should read but I had never gotten it but I bought the trade body your or go see I have ready for a while and I have read it like all one sitting and then I enjoy doing and then through Tommy had just like I bought it digitally one time they had a digital sale for it and I was obviously go ahead and buy it and then I found it half price books like eight bucks and I was like yeah by having physical comics me too is one of those things like having physical trades yeah. I'm still a little iffy on buying issues but I'm still keeping up with a few I. I like having trees. I like having just the book to hold my hand Plus I'm not a fan of digital comics where it's panel by panel. Because sometimes I just get tired of like touch touch touch touch touch. I'd almost prefer. Nasa call it just like a PDF. I'm I'm with you on that sometimes when you are doing digital comics you don't get the full effect of the story because it goes panel by panel and sometimes sometimes you don't get to see the full seen right away and we were like. Oh okay Comic where in his his job and they're seeing that final sunset and wear weights himself did it. He did it as you know. One big spread of that and in the panel. You don't see it just. It just goes a text box. Xbox and then eventually see the spread. So I'm I'm with you on now but yeah I mean I haven't read in a while I've been wanting to read it and I just wanted to actually do this kind of split up for a while now but so let's dive into the book. Shall we the first thing is that I really like is each the it starts off its narrator by talking like that. We were getting pause perspective. And it's him telling us the story. No Superman stories you. It comes straight from Clark's perspective. And what I really enjoyed about that. This is each. Each chapter is a different perspective of someone else's life and And I like the John. Kent ear was was much older. Because you can't get this order man's wisdom to start off you get this. You know this is my son and the old man would say that You know he says hey man this son my son. Hey this was bracing for smallville. So you know lake I just I like the way he looks at. You Know Jonathan talking about what it means for him and Clark and he's telling us as we we see him Burkin clown he hits a rock and he's trying to get that rock out and Clark just lifts it up. Where do you WanNa dad and John says the boys got a lot of Martin him? Let's leave it at that. Look he gives him now. When he lifts the Ri- ways Tron it's like is he frustrated that he is he frustrated at Clark that he's that he can do that or is he frustrated that he's an old man now and even with a crowbar he or even a pry bar. He couldn't get it. Get it too by some of the lighter you know like it's. He's getting older. There's a line coming up here soon. And we'll get to where he References how many years of past he no we see them at dinner with Lana and you know I like the idea of spring like you know. We start our story in spring and the idea that things are growing maturing changing. And it's all about Clarkston school in growing out of being the home body. Like you know Clark's insecurities about himself and then we have Martha and Jonathan on the porch. You know he's he's telling her in like in this. Spring is about growth and change. And we see. Clark's powers are coming more to fruition at this time And Yeah 'cause he he develops his x Ray Vision while he's he developed x Ray Vision while he's sitting in a diner we're hearing. He Remembers Jonathan a market Talking and she mentions he can't heal here and he's like he's on the other side of the House and we follow the panels as they're still talking to him sitting in his room. Says how can you pass? The possibly here is that we know he's yeah everything they're saying right and then in the and in the diner he It seems like he sees through the wall or something. Or maybe he's hearing it and that's when he realizes he forgot to get his haircut and then he many as the x Ray Vision and he sees back into the diner of Pete and Lana and he's obviously gotten his haircut previously otherwise he wouldn't be going to the barber and then his hair snaps the scissors so even is even his Invulnerability is just beginning C and D. Step back a second. I like this double page spread of Clark walking with Pete and Lana of just really get some detail of the town and you know the the issue of like Lana the way she looks and she's drawing like she is. Infatuated with Clarke. Clarke is like looking off in the distance. And you know you even have Jonathan at the top in his narration. Sometimes when the corn was planted it shot up too soon. The roots hadn't taken hold so the stock support. Its own weight the corn would turn sour. I don't know if Clark knew how lucky he was growing in. A place like Smallville Clark had known Lana Lang his whole life. Her Aunt Ruth Difficult. It was raised her and then he says Martha always said Lana had her cap on on being with Clark but I never saw salon just plans on life. Clark and Clark's he knows something more is going on. You know and then I like the art when they go into the Diner. Just how busy it is. How much detail of the life of Smallville that we get? Everybody's very this this whole comic is very Norman Rockwell. And that's what Tim was definitely going for. It is in we look at the time. And it's definitely feels like it's taking place in the fifties you know and I love when they're talking and a lot of think. There's a lex luther or is it somebody. The newspapers made up. Clark has this. Oh my gosh I need a haircut like is kind of crazy like a haircut. You know like that's his big thing and just shows how much of a kind of small town it is like. He's having sheldon moment. He missed his haircut by today's now. He's freaking out and not worry. Clark held a seat for you and he sits down like you said this week he starts to experience his x Ray Vision the SCISSOR SNAP. We get little comments about the people in the town. Clark runs home. We get these pictures of him running next to the train and we get a superman. The movie reference of him racing in front of a train racing jumping in front of a train. No Yahoo though. Well thank goodness did you. Guys did you guys notice another reference in here When Pete Ross goes into the soda shop or diner if you will have any taxes that elephant he says I wish I had a million dollars. And maybe in the Geek Guy. I am That was a total reference to. It's a wonderful life George Bailey as a kid. I wish you would have said hot dog to finish. Absolutely I like we get Clark back home. He sitting there and Moss says to Jonathan. He's been sending out there all alone and he just says all handle it more than he walks out. Needs this Paul. I'm scared you know. They don't know what to say they really don't know what to do. And you know we get a whole page of just Jonathan talking almost lamenting over having this child when he does not know what to do with this child where Clark is in his life right now. This is all I can promise Clark was his mother and I would love him sometimes as a parent. It's all you really can do like got your back kid. That's enough At that love helps helps to keep them on the straight narrow from the right path and then the next part is a superman staple I feel. When you're in Smallville you gotTa have a tornado. Kansas Tornado in Kansas. You're doing something wrong and it's it's kind of crazy 'cause it starts spinning crazy we have Clark just kind of stand there seeing it and this is like get sucked up these yell and paw paw. Then he's like I can handle this. I know I can't and we see him. Basically Save the you know the gas station worker that we met earlier and we have a near from Paul says but I believe in the wild trouble of that moment our son became a man and he saved the guy. And we see like smallville wreck from the Tornado. And he's like Clark Kent. My head still. Did you fly down and we all know what really happened. You know. The next scene is Clark running home and finding his parents okay. Yeah when I was reading this I really wondered if if Jonathan was was going to get sucked up in this tornado and then ministerial took that part It was they were okay. Yeah I mean I always think you know what's interesting about. This story is because you're kind of being told through a narrator. It allows the events to move much quicker than if we were trying to be just kind of telling the story like if it was. All from. Clark's plenty of view. You know and it's interesting that in this in the short band of the story. We were introduced he strength. And then we got hearing vision of speed and flight like really quick and we have Clark flying in bringing the tractor down and he says I could have done more in Jonathan. Says what he said the look in his eyes. I could have done more. I says I know my son. It would haunt him from that day on like Mike Goss. Jeff Jeff Low Man. He just he just knows how to write man and I agree he does. And you know this book is a great kind of template for just building a good Superman story and like the beats to hit and I think it's interesting because here we have another example of Clark seeking advice from a pastor. And he's you know and the first thing I like this quote he says the Lord make have given us the tools but it's a man who has to fix it you know and that's like putting in perspective like what tools Clark have. What can he do to fix things to work on things you know? And he says they're talking. And of course the pastor has to go help rebuild them things courses but what if there was we each do what we're able to sort some list somewhere but when the almighty sets of course nothing anyone can do about it and he says but what if there was born and it's just it's just interesting you know like. Spring Book Clark is where his focus is of course graduates and everyone's talking about where they want to go so we're kind of looking at Clark about eighteen years old right now and Jonathan talks about getting the suitcase and their time coming short then. Cler takes on into the field. This was just kind of interesting. Do you think you think he should. You should've told Lana like I always. I always look it. I always looked at this. You Know Clark and Lana thing and I know that she was like best friend growing up and and she's just loved him so much by so you think like him talent her that. Hey this is who I really am like. That's just a moment of foreclosure for that. That Lana just can't be with them. Like this guy has more important to do because then on the other side like Lois is good enough for him like why was why? Couldn't I duNno I? Yeah because it's one in the context of the story because the way we're moving the pacing in the ways the way it's designed works because it was always supposed to be in the comments like Lana was like one of the first people. He showed his powers and stuff too and demonstrated to you. Said like it shows the he is sh in this story. Lawn is very much a message. Small small bills my home and he's trying to show like I'm bigger than SMALLVILLE. Like half to go. Yeah Yeah it. You so my. I don't know you're you're along the lines of being out lowest good enough. Maybe Lana is something Getting rough like less. Think it's not it's not Alana's not good enough. It's more that at this point in his life he's he. He's trying to figure out in who he is in what he's meant to do what he can do and You know for him cheese a a good friend as US as tyler saying how. She was in a lot of stories over the years. Lawa's loved him wanted more from him And he was more friendly with her. Maybe maybe for reasons you know that kind kind of Used to Nauseam in Smallville where he He couldn't he was afraid of what he could do if he were to get close to somebody so You know keeping a distance for relationship from her that way but he he was looking he was looking up and above and he was looking over her past her at the time and then by the time he meets Lois than. It's too late for Alana I. It's kind of like you know if you just kind of look in your own life about stuff like you know. There's people in your past that yet. They were a great person at the time. Or someone you could have been with but you had to grow into you. You know you've had something to do you just kind of grew apart or things change. You know one thing that I always said that. In the early episodes of Smallville chloe was if you combine Khloe along together. That's what you get lois. You know and that kind of show where Clark was like. Lois ends up being the dreamgirls his best. Yeah and then. Of course that show brought lowest. You know all that fun stuff but in the first three seasons you can kind of see where. Why the idea of Lois Lane with Clark with fall in love with a? He loves Lana but yet he's not in this and you know he he cares her hate and everything but she's in love with him but he doesn't in itself yet like you said he has to figure out what he wants to do and then the next page. We're getting him leaving smallville you know his mom's telling him you can do whatever you want and you have that panel to Jonathan standing out there looking in the distance and I love this. He said my stomach rumbled all day long. Martha and I had done our job. We brought him up right. That's an all that means to me. Now was our only son was old enough to say it's really about a dad. Letting go of his son I mean. Even if he's not superman just the idea that every father one day has to go their child their child will be an adult and they will they will move on. And what have you done your job? Have you set them up? And we have like you said. Here's a double page spread of Clark on the left looking at the sunset Jonathan on the right looking at the sunset. And then when we turn the page we are now officially in metropolis and it says time passes the country mouse. Leaves smallville becomes a Sydney Mouse city? Scape and in all essence. What's funny is this story if you think about it. It's Superman for all. Seasons is a year one story even though here we over in spring and the next page. He's at the daily planet. We've skipped stuff but it's kind of interesting. How much time has passed in a way? Because I don't want to jump too far ahead but the book ends with Luther saying it's GonNa be a long hot summer so it's still spring the same spring. You know what I'm saying like we don't know right. Kinda like does he go from metropolis. He looks a little older though. When you see him next and now I say yes but once again we kind of got that. Like he's now. Kind of putting the Clark supersonic on and everything. So I don't know but it's kind of interesting you know. Be Glasses and slicked back hair and spit. Carl has got Mr White Yellen about stuff. We meet our lowest art. Jimmy Lois. You know were introduced to her and then we meet. Lexus. Taking her out. And you know the first panel is a bunch. Newspaper says Superman a new hero. But we haven't seen him do anything anything which is interesting. But there's no so much of the stereotypical helicopter rescue that. We get in like Superman's first night out type adventures you know and we have lex putting lowest the car we have less with red hair polder looking legs but I actually really liked the way we first meet Superman and this I liked it. We have child playing somewhere. He shouldn't be innocent chasing a cat on a ledge of her ability and because he listened to city and he starts to fall in superman catches him and I just I love the innocence of wow costume and he says thanks and then we get the first page of superman he says. My mom made it for me. And that's like it just is such a just an awesome shot there superman. He just saved the kid and then we turn the page. We have superman flying luther looking out at him and we still have a little bit from. Jonathan. We worry about our son is he. Eating Ray is making friends. That'll stay out of harm's way even if he is superman and then we have luther watching him in the closing thing is. It's going to be a long hot summer and it's just interesting because you know we don't that in spring it's all about Clark and then we get just a touch of superman setup for what the next chapter would be and I think storytelling you so simple by using the different narrator. So it's something that will Expand UPON as we go. But I don't know I always love and superman stories like we talked about the origin. And maybe not so much the origin but just I liked the SMALLVILLE time You know so. Yeah it's really cool to see this. How small smallville is in in this story and narrating everybody knows everybody And just from the parents from parents point of view like the the last page of narration from Him. A you know at the end of the day were not all that different. I'm not sure we're all that different from any other parents. We worry about our son that he's eating right that he's making friends that he'll stay out of harm's way even if he is superman. You know it's it's like all those stories where Superman goes home and Martha Kent is asking him. Have you been eating? You look thin or whatever. And he's Mom Superman. The mother knows that's always the one thing I love about Lois and Clark the TV series was just the fun we have with the parents in their son. You know yeah I understood over the years that from a long time ago When he was found he was found by an elderly couple so by the time he grew up his parents were old his his dad Either have died or mostly has died and and his mile is real all I like over the years that they found him as more of a middle-aged couple a younger middle aged couple and by the time he's grown. They're adults I. I don't think I like the stories where Jonathan still alive. He's got interactions with both of his parents. I do too. I like the of kids being like mid thirties like when they find him kind of that idea of. They're struggling with okay. We're we're we're about to be. Are we getting to be too although we can't have kids like they're struggling with you know we're not young anymore? We're starting to get older and they're not old parents but like they're the kind of parents that you know when the son in school a lot of the other parents will be younger than them but they're not grandparent's yet you know they're not that old. I while while I do love. The order John and Martha and Lois. And Clark I. I can relate more to those mid thirties. Ones like in you know like in small groups and stuff and I guess I'd have to say I I like the mid thirty one's on what they did find Clarkson and Mid Thirties. Because that's where I'm at you. I mean Clark being ten John Being Forty five you know and Clark Yeah. Earning Fifteen Jonathan's fifty where he's a little older but he's still not grandpa you know. So that when Clark's you know thirty year old man then Jonathan's he's getting older but he still you know he's like in his sixties so he's older but anyways so what would you guys are great just the Spring Park. Just just if you just read this issue by itself not knowing that there was more to come how. How would you feel about this story? I really I really like it It's from the the narration is Great. the The coming from Pop can just being father The Clark learning it goes by really quick. He learns a lot about himself really quick and what he's able to do and And and he shows him being a good person and wanting to do more. It's really good. It's it's Definitely a the heart of Superman Coming from the very beginning and it doesn't have to be the they don't know anything about him they don't show anything about CRIP -ton or or him being a baby. All they do is mentioned the rocket And it's your with Clark right now Agree and I like at about even even being an origin story. It's it's just about Clark right now. You're with him right now. There's only there's only a mentioned and you move on you know because it goes back to that you know that it's coming from his father and the idea of spring and change like we're experiencing spring the time of Rebirth Life Renewal Change. And that's what Clark's doing you know. Brian your thoughts. Mike I give I give it a probably nine ten. I everything that needs to be. Hit hit You know we got this. We got this cave that Elizabeth Order parents she's going through some serious changes and he's realized that I can't stay here that I met for more. And when and when John says this is when he became a man when he when he rescued The gas station attended and he's realized that I can do all this stuff but I need to do more. And it carries that emotional way. It shows that. Simplicity of Smallville And where what could happen to him if he would just stayed in Smallville It has emotional toll it. Has You know where we go from here. It has the real harder superman. And that's why I read high It's exactly what needs to be and it leaves you wanting more to see like okay. So how does he when he starts being superman where we go from here off? I really loved it so my last question to you guys. What are your thoughts on? Just the drawing style of Superman himself. Your lot of people have complained over time. Hey Look who's here you'll say. Hi Hi So so how do you feel like there's been a lot of speculation or next to a lot of criticism of just the way Tim drew? Clark Andrew Superman what are your. What are your thoughts I mean he's he's massive. He's he's a he's a mountain of a man he towers over everybody When he's sitting next to his father on the porch when he's Lana the ad he's wasted his mom is just an enormous When he's standing with his dad when he's standing with. Lana Yeah. I mean you know when you when you when you think of just a Big Ask country boy. That's what they drew him like what he said. He drew him like a cornfed farm. Boy You know big works on the farm a I mean. He's he's a Horse. You know he is he is he is and. I think there's some pictures in here with the join my life better than some panels But Yeah I don't mind it you know we've seen enough different interpretations of the character whether he draws and there's some I don't particularly like the way he looks in that panel but overall there there's some pictures where he he looked salute to big on a little like some some pictures. It looks low fat in the face but as looking for the pages here and one that stands out to me really really good is right. After the Tornado. He's hugging his parents. And he is definitely towering over them. But the way it's drawn by Tim it's lake. This guy's GonNa protect you now. This big old hospital farm boy he. He's going to protect you. Like he can pull the whole world in his hands and protect it all and all this more that he can do. He's going to be able to handle it and I definitely thinks that's what Jeff and Tim. We're going for here this. I think it just. It really plays into the story that we're telling so so that is superman for all seasons spring and here when the season changes we'll do summer will come back when it's summertime but until then you just have to wait readers and listeners. Well in that Ohio in our Ohio weather I mean summer concerts. Mario and then winter will start. Maybe next next Wednesday. So James once you give us a summary. Breakdown of the episode and we'll go from there supergirl season five episode. Fifteen Reality Bites Niyaz. Roommate is attacked by a man targeting Dreamer Dreamer refuses to give in to the man's threats and puts herself in the line of fire to stop him. Alex John and Kelly attempt to rescue a man stuck inside a virtual reality game. All Right Pretty. I mean pretty like simple but I do so we'll follow the characters and hey this is definitely very super bowl in the background. So we'll talk about her first the beginning episode when we first meet supergirl she's training. It feels like she's trading in virtual simulation but no randomly her in Nia stop a dominator just random and that was weird but she decides to say the dominators the dominators. Cg This episode Kinda cheap but we let it slide just because they're trying to ask more than they can always afford. And I respect that. Yeah Yeah but then we see that cars on a date with Doomsday. I mean William. And she's she you know she comes and tells Allen's like which color and I'm like Cardin I should never wear blue just throwing that out there. Kara should never wear blue. Well that's why. When she went out on the day she was wearing purple. Exactly she never wear help but really I mean. She appears in the scene into comfort. Nia after the events you know. And that's one of the you know she. She's there and then. She appears at the end and she gives we see her play pool with William where basically she puts every ball in the pocket and then she gives the speech and we'll get them but really she did not play a large role in this episode at All. No supergirl yes. She backseat in this episode. Most of the next through line here so we have Alex so in the episode. Of course. We're hoping another episode with somebody using the new obsidian and like I said before. They're basically building the Matrix Which is like two weeks ago or something? Prior to was two weeks or two months ago prior to obsidian really prior to its rollout right. It was two something I missed the two weeks or two months prior because even in this I think back two weeks did they roll it out. Because they're about the launch like the next upgrade to it and I couldn't remember if they actually were able to launch the first round of obsidian virtual reality. There's a working on making it better in the next level. That's what Kelly is testing at the beginning when they said that they this year. They said that they wrote the first one. And Gosh who said that. They tested it. I think Gemma said this detested or something. I might be wrong. But this is like the second round and this is where it's getting toxic and things are affecting them in real life more and they they can't do hit the false safe so we so we get that. That's a bug that they that's a bug that was in in it before it was released before it's roll out and we Mr Bates and that's kind of where the episode ends and then it jumps forward and we have our training with John. Using her new Martian weapon. Training's not going as well as she wants and we learn this. Sean gets a case where they have to track down. This guy's brother Alex What do you call? It isn't GonNa go into the virtual reality part to find this because he's trapped in virtual reality and she goes into power they call it virtual vegas and before she gets there. We definitely get a tease for next week's episode. We see a quick glimpse of Alex and potential suit. The will see next week and John goes searching for the man's physical body his virtual. He's in the virtual reality somewhere. But where's his physical body and when Alex rescues some people that are basically trapped inside like an escape room like you know since escape rooms are thing in the real world I guess they are in the virtual world. They talk about the person name. Richard which leaves John to Opal City. Now boies WHO's out of Opal City whose Alpo city. I heard that name and I was like who's from local city so offhand I don't. I don't recall Brian Anything. Okay the question. If I'm not mistaken now thinking it's just Garman isn't starman thought. It was the question to or is that hopes that he's I hope. City Rahm city. I saw hub. City sounds sounds familiar for The question There's lessons well. Renee Montoya is from them so And Vic sage I think is from hub city Opal city is star man. And it's probably where we're going to be in star girl. Probably so this yeah I mean late. Spring Opal city is definitely sorry man. I'm Ed but so my thing is I put notes here. The question is a character. There should have appeared the over by now we find out that virtual reality is now being used people are having virtual shares and this man found his wife was having basically in a virtual affair and allies have is trying to get the guy out we find out. It's Mr Bates computer programmer. Name was Richard Bates should have been like passer. Norman or Norman Bates But you know and then you know eventually else gets out. She saves the guy. But what kills me is Kelly's like all there's so many moral and ethical things about VR. That we just didn't think about and I'm like really. This wasn't something that was addressed or like how people would use this type of virtual reality like she was. Yeah she's a psychiatrist by by trade like the the reason she's involved in in Obsidian is because of her psychiatry. Her psychotherapist background You know I I would have assumed that it was her job to To consider the implications on what people would or could use this for. So it's it's pretty lazy writing I feel just with her saying that this. You know we didn't think of this like now like that was your job. Yeah so that's why you were there so you can do it. It's kind of like if you can do it in the real world you're GonNa do it in the virtual world and you'll probably the virtual will also give people freedom to do stuff that they may not have been able to do in the real world every is a whole lot of moral and ethical questions Like creating this Creating this Escape Room. This escape mansion Where you could basically torture somebody without really causing them physical damage at the time I mean what damage due to their psyche is is something completely different. That's what they discuss here But Yeah it's pretty interesting though. How macgyver testing in the beginning and the failsafe button disappeared. The glitch happened to him. This guy was a frigging computer engineer. And he was the one who it happened to so he was able to recreate it in his own in his own. Little quarter of the of the virtual reality and trap people there. It was kind of like a sick coincidence right. So that wraps up kind of that angle. We got no Lena in this episode. No lex no Andrea Ross. In this episode she could have been there. She's a shadow hiding in every in every in every corner of the of the shot. I mean it is possible so so now we're going to talk about our main focus. Which is the dreamer storyline So I will say this episode I think would have had. They started building this up for the past few percents even if they would've put something in the in the last episode like if they would have say two episodes ago catches on through the media about Trans people being murdered or like one of her people. Her community says something and it's like a serial killer for Trans people and like she starts to piece stuff together. And she has this kind of inkling we kind building and the air or something something about transphobic people in now you know because it feels like. There's a lot of emotion a lot agnes episode where she talks about her community. Her her people. And it's like but you've been absent for so much like the last episode. She just appeared out of nowhere. At the end we talked about how all of a sudden she just kind of arrived which makes sense but some time we heard as a character is absent from the story. Yeah I really think it could have been a really kind of neat thing to build up this kind of idea that and even mostly from the episode before which was. It's a super life which is the hundredth episode. She wasn't involved in that one either. And that one's okay. You know what I'm saying. But if we had this plot thread of Franca story NIA turn discovers that somebody she catches waste or we got introduced to her friend. Sooner because it's one of those things where all of a sudden she has friends. She's super close with that. We've never met has a trauma because you know she now. We met her roommate forget. That's her roommate. We've we've seen her roommate before I don't recall. Seeing her roommate was it. Was this season or was it last season. That's when it's just been so much you know we've had crisis and everything it's a roommate. She's been there I'm thinking it was last season when we were more getting introduced to her because she was involved. I think more before. She became dreamer. Maybe that's what it was. But you know maybe this then inaction minced in this. This episode may have worked better last season. Because you know she says something to Kara about her people and all this being hated wasn't all last season about painting aliens targeting aliens outing wasn't at all about alien death right extremer too but I'm just saying like it just seems like in. The context of the character like dreamer went from like very tim all of a sudden. I'm GONNA murder this person and I think that's right. I would have to seen similar. Bill's care to develop to like get her to that point but she just went from zero to one hundred like vin diesel race. Well I mean no last season like she was involved I mean she choose becoming dreamer that story arc last season but she was also involved as being Alien involved in this story. Neely and she's part alien isn't she? Yeah Yeah so you know. That was how that was how she was being That's how how prejudice was aimed towards her as being part alien but in this episode like they attack her personally As as a trans woman which I mean can be even even tougher because the the the stigma of being that per of being that person of the phobia of the L. LG bt community. Like No. It's just I guess I guess I would've liked to be a two parter or something like just a story line getting there right. It just seemed very it was it was a one and done but I think it could have benefited from a little bit more development and first of all James. No matter who you are. If you're meeting somebody from the Internet that you've never met and they tax you meet them out back no straight late. Meet him out back in the alley. I understand desperation. Desperate people but like seriously you're in a club and this person says meet me out back. Don't meet them in our. I'm at I'm at the bar surrounded by people. You meet me at the bar. Yeah so of course yeah She's just and you know she's going through a lot with With brainy not being there either. I know he was like she had said in this episode. He was there from the beginning. He was very supportive. He helped her to develop her abilities. you know. He was her boyfriend and then he just he just ditched her. He you know it was just over like that without any real explanation So you know she's hurting and she's She's hurting in. She's depressed and then she's attacked personally And not just about in. She's attacked personally on her on how she identifies and and what she what. She Out. How she is so it's kind it's kind of compiled attack her friend her roomie. You know it's all valid point. I mean story. I just wish it to give it a little bit more because it just came out so quickly. Do like how brave we we. I mean we've discussed the let some things breath got some things down like it seems like they really get something like this and then they like. They ran at your real fast and hard. They don't give it room to breathe and then there's other things where they're like. Let's just stretch it out as far as we can. It's like yeah that's probably something you can ram home and exactly exactly you know like bringing not one thing. I think Brady Film The Sky a lot faster because we get Nia basically. Put yourself out there as bait to confront this guy and I think what Brady Toning faster but brady does pull up all the information on people who are part of Anti Trans hate groups that are threatening them taking credit for murderers and finds the clues and stuffing turns over this huge file to the police. About what's going on. And he does without the knowledge of anyone else knowing and I I liked that because yeah I like story arc with brainy right now. I like the. He's having problems. I like a little bit of the different characterization of brainy just to kind of change it up because things can get stagnated and then so we get. The BIG CLIMATES COMES. Were Dreamer has the dude by the neck and she could kill him and car shows up talks out of it and later on the balcony at. Kako and Kara shows up. We'll let me say super bowl. Shows up talks her out of it and then car shows up and talks to Tunisia and she has a breakdown about she. DidN'T WANNA be a killer but what that guy did to her and what that meant to her and impactful being look I I you know. We all have our own belief systems or whatever but at the end of the day like it's about love and compassion man for all people no matter what you believe your gender your race or creed it should be about. I have enough respect and compassion to use another human. Being like hate is never the way you know And I think that it's what's sad. Is that people just because someone is different than them will decide to degrade them as a human person and hate them. That's heartbreaking to people suffered because of other people's paid for no reason to that I'm not I mean I'm not. Yeah that's heavily prevalent. Unfortunately no I'm not going to get lecture. I'm not going to get on no soapbox preacher like any political anything. When you're saying at the end of the day we're all human we all love and respect each other's just the the people you know we are all are on a journey. That's going to end the same way. Yeah yeah the fact that you know the fact that beliefs are different. You know this is no reason to hate. People are allowed to believe different things. People are allowed to have different opinions and people are allowed to be who they are and like who they like and enjoy what they like. And you know you. You need to as long as it's as long as it's not you know hate-filled and hurting people. It's not hurting you. That somebody else is doing something that you particularly. Don't believe in but to hate on that is is just it's sickening and you know that this episode ends on a weird spy and I'M NOT GONNA get I've seen a lot of people theorize about how it ends on why they did this and I'm not going to get political because we talked about pure people have their own opinions So but it ends and I it just it makes me sad because I thought it was a disservice character but we find out that Jeremiah. Dan Verse is dead. House gets a call. You know killed off screen and we find out. He's he's dead ends without telling Kara. And just kinda sucks and that. We didn't get kind of one of those episodes where they show up. He's back he knows it really great you know having the parents back and then Jeremiah dies and some act or whatever but he is killed off and that's the end of Jeremiah and we'll see gone out and heroic way and been killed in had an impactful death scene you know and that's one thing that drives Alex into the virtual world next episode and as far as I know the next episode is coming out and then I think the episode after that is coming out as well but that could change as of right now. It looks like March twenty second and March. Twenty ninth is episode sixteen and Seventeen so I mean. We don't Alex in Wonderland and data selects mocking. We don't know how many are left that were not filmed but will be getting in this season so if it was shortened to twenty and they still had episodes film they may have three episodes yet to film before the shutdown list done but it also before the shutdown was made and also kind of goes back to sometimes with production schedules like they might have shot stuff for an episode before they shot stuff for an episode the air so they might have shot something episode. Twenty four episode twenty done but they haven't shot at seven eighteen or nineteen. You know what I'm saying. Not just seeing those numbers but like you know sometimes stuff's out of order depending on scheduling availability. You know what I'm saying. So we don't what's actually been completed so but yeah going back to. Yeah it really does Especially in the world. We're living in today Were all quaranteed virtuality. Everyone back yeah man right. Virtual reality be huge right now But you know we're talking about brainy So couple of things on brainy this episode. He's still fry. You know he still cares about these people especially Nia After this happens he's keeping tabs and he found all this information on the hate groups That he turned over to the police. My one question is he's director of the DA. Oh so why? Is he working from a desk in the middle of the room like he still just the computer? It why is not in his own office being able to find this stuff worried about hiding it from everybody when his computer should be facing him in office where nobody can see from the other side of the desk. Yes that's one I show up like his. I mean he's supposed to be more techno organic you know but they're kind of done him more Organic in everything. So well isn't isn't BRAINIAC. Five inorganic being As as it's moved farther on From from early BRAINIAC BRAINIAC turned himself to more technological than ORGANIC INORGANIC. Being in turned himself into more of a technological being and was more technology driven but as time progressed and in the future bringing five is is a purely mainly organic. Being isn't he. That's what I thought you know but I've read somewhere as both but that's how I fought because I almost one in Lake brainiac to bring his show up at the haters from like almost like Vialli like almost see him snap in a way like he just so angry the he shows up. You know beats beats these haters down till the almost nothing like worrying like some sort of mask Kinda like. He just snapped off his frustration. He released on these people but it was. Yeah is last thoughts. No I I enjoyed this episode I do it does suck they kill Jeremiah. Offscreen the way they did You know in political views being one thing and even if you're outspoken dumb especially being political views to make it so a person cannot reprise their character Now if unfortunately he had done something. You know whatever cosby or masterson or frigging spacier. You know if he'd had done something like that or Weinstein or some crap you know what I mean if he had done something like that by all means you know what I mean. Trump is damn legs out from underneath them and he can't reprise his role as the character. But you know even being just outspoken as a supporter of this of trump. You know what I mean. Like and killing his character offscreen basically he cannot repay you know like basically saying td like no. He's not coming back because of you know that's that's pretty. That's pretty terrible. So it's it's it's a disservice to the character onscreen I don't think they should have done that to to the actor just because of beliefs. I mean that's a possibility of why this happened. Because we obviously know that the people who write on these shows are do not believe the same thing in the you would never eat. They you know the way that they write. These shows is is completely opposite. You can tell that But and and that just I just sucks you now able to see him again on the show I mean I don't I don't care about his political views If that were to be the case arm it's not not typically how I judge somebody Eve even though you know. They're just like we were talking. Their THEIR BELIEFS MAY BE STUPID. But it's not something to hate on them for and taste somebody for so. Yeah I just I hate when they kinda killed. That's always reserved for those instances where the actor has passed or something like that as occurred. Where on the respect the character trying to respect what had happened? But you're trying to find a safe way of doing with Fertile Swan. On smallville right who else There's there's been a couple. That's happened a couple of times I mean Heck Riverdale Luke. Perry passed away. You know so. Yeah they they try to. They try to do something good with it and I don't know it doesn't. It doesn't really feel that way. He was only in a little bit back in season two and he hasn't been back since he was such a big part of like the mystery of season one but yeah and then he was there in season two. I don't know it's just I mean I'm not a supporter myself and I know here. Not but still. That's a it's a stupid reason. If that were to be the case of why he was written off it it does. It does do a disservice to the character in if they are. I don't know it's just to do that to the actor as well. You know you know you were you. Never getting him back where you planning on getting him back to you. Decide not to get him back. I mean but hopefully as a story point it will be something strong in driving in the next episode or so to calm especially for Alex You know for for Kara. It is her adopted father and there is no you know they were very strong in trying to find him. And loving him in the past in other episodes backs from season to and stuff but this That is Alex is father. She was born and raised. And you know she. They lost him and then they found him. And then you know the was just gone but now confirmed dead. So yeah that's definitely going to be something strong something hard that. Alex has had has to deal with personally. And we'll just wait and see you with happens with speaks and until then good listeners. In Sky Look up in the sky count.

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Krypton Report: The Supergirl Podcast

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"I'm and several girl. This is Jason J. Louis the Voice of Superman on Justice League action right. You're listening to the crypt on reporting. You're listening to look for Tony N- casting including Superman and super discuss teams to find us on facebook instagram youtube and twitter. If you've enjoyed Krypton report please check out the other podcasts. Available from Southgate Media Group from capes and lunatics is everything you possibly want Geek podcast to nuff said Cape some lunatics sidekicks. Titans talk if you're like me you can get enough of your DC and you can also check out super connectivity where they discussed everything in comics Also they do discuss marvel. That's something you don't hear much from me so check it out. South DOT COM and. This guy is coming so awesome. Welcome to the criminal and report. It is me Tyler James and it's very late and we were tired and it's Valentine's Day Day Valentine's to it's it's to fourteen. Yeah and you know what that means. Something else to me doesn't a chance. Yeah happy to fourteen happy to watch. Go ahead and for the kids at home and you explain that so understand. That happy to fourteen is a picture. That Zack Snyder released today. Because the length of his Justice League movie is supposed to be two hundred and fourteen minutes long and he released a new pick today of what looks like flash multiple flashes. So obviously he's moving really really fast. saving a bunch of people. And it's probably the star labs technicians and stuff who steppenwolf head in parodying instead kidnapped. But it's it's mostly color kind of like the bluish that it looks like when he kind of goes in the speed force when he starts to move fast but it's in color in Looks like special effects for the most part are pretty much done. It's kind of kind of awesome. I just want to know like I don't know there's so much to be said for what is or isn't the Snyder. Cut Blah Blah Blah. You know no matter. What even if it's a rough cut there is some sort of work current put together cut of all the footage that he made you know so whatever I know I just it just blows my mind that the movie like. It's like the great whale of our generation like you know like it should have been like the greatest d. c. movie ever and I can't watch it without thinking what could have been and it's not because I watch it of all. I would have done this or they did this. It's because there's so much stuff that we know exists and have seen. That wasn't in that film. But we digress. We could be your. Yeah we've we've said a number of times about how it's different from a lot of other films because you know there's a lot that it should have been that it was going to be that was filmed in affects and edited and everything and then they just cut. It changed it so it's complete. It's a different story than a lot of movies and and a lot of movies that people have you know expectations for so you know expectations kind of leave. Most people Disappointed disappointed. Yeah everybody expect something from a certain movie and it's like you know you know hand in it so I don't know what you were expecting but like I told you know Snyder teases me more than an ex girlfriend. I'm like come on so here's another interesting tidbit for you. Because I knew like I was curious about something and I was digging through some old files and one sadly I can only speculate guests right now but this month represents five years from the first crypt on report slash. Last daughter episode. I ever made really. It is like I was thinking of today. I was reading the Pod Life Book and just people talking about our podcast and when I was like man I'm like when did and so I went back through here through all my stuff and my first episode that I can find the sad part is I cannot find the original first episode of the Krypton Report. I think the file might be lost. Tom Crash in hard drive. But I sound I found episodes two and three. They were both recorded in February of fifteen. So I can only speculate that Episode one was recorded in February fifteen and then our facebook page officially launched in May fifteen. So yeah very interesting. Five years It's preempt here man. It's pretty intense. Like I'm writing my chapter for the Pod Life Book volume two and I was just kind of going over stuff and it was just something I was thinking about. And you know there's a lot of evolution to this podcast for people that know like started out as being called the last daughter of Krypton and it just kind of evolved from the host the structure to equipment used to record the podcast so it just. It's something near and dear to me and here we are. You know and it's anniversary tyler. For real like it's so but I digress. I'm stuttering been kind of reflecting day as I was writing and You know I started off the podcast. My started doing Originally it was just me with my computer. I didn't have any Mike's and then I bought 'em lake and then Just kind of kept working at it and but better. Mike's learned how to do more. Editing learnt like started trying to master this thing that we call skype and like I said here we are now but anyways here's some other cool stuff to go over one. Besides the first daughter this pike Are the first episode of this. Podcast being lost We have some cool news to go over. There was something else is going to tell you me. I don't know I don't know maybe there was But anyways okay. It's something small I saw people were online. Were petitioning to have amber herd removed his mirror and replaced. Yeah Clark and you know what I I actually. Kinda liked it and chuckled at it. Because I think a million Clark's have better actors and A. She already has great truth. But you know I just thought it was funny and pretty cool at the same time so that I mentioned it. You know whatever sliced here I mean I don't deny that she's not a better A better actress You know I mean domestic violence is nothing to is nothing to Brush aside or anything like that You know you don't you. You hear the he. He's he did this. She did this back and forth. You know it's the truth is somewhere in and the truth being like you know. Maybe they're both not the best people. Maybe they're both toxic individuals which tends to happen with a lot of these Famous and artistic types So you know. Sometimes sometimes you know you have to separate their a person's body of work their Their their artistic product from From the individual especially stuff. They did prior to The news that had come out. You know everything. That's after tends to be tainted with with that information but You know I mean what. Are you GonNa do you if if you really wanted to petition? Everybody from being a character like they dig up dirt on the majority of people and most of these famous people that everybody basically worships Would would be out of a job. This why like you James so I mean I. I enjoyed her as Mira. In in Justice League in Auckland You know she was. She was serviceable as the character and they made her. They made the character a strong character. She wasn't a Damsel in distress type character. And I mean I am okay with recasting. You know they've done that before in different movies It's not my favorite thing. But you now if they did. They did if they don't they don't and I'll just I'll roll with it pretty much. It's pretty much what we do all right moving on. So I had this epiphany I was doing. Some reading of a character should bring onto supergirl. I with this with. I don't know I'm just. I'm like just advocate of magic but I think you director bones would be pretty intense to bring on to super bowl for the. Do have a division of the deal that starts doing just in magic right. We I've been I've been expecting bones on supergirl For five years so I mean for him to show up at some point or another when it just be really awesome. Because for the most part he would look like a normal guy. It's not until what is it. The darkness or or the moonlight that shines that shows is skills his skeleton his skeletal form or whatever Because I know I've seen him in comics in out in the daylight he's normal but in his office or something he's bones suddenly literally skeletal being so. It's not like they would have to do that quite often you now. They could have a person the special effects but the special effects budget on it wouldn't be wouldn't be outrageous because they wouldn't have to show 'em as a skeleton in every episode. It would be very interesting but I just thought of that sailor. What you do baby girl you pick a movies so I'm hanging out with my Valentine's Day. Miss Sailor rose and she's awesome awesome. What else news we get. Oh yes so this first. 'cause I don't spend a lot of times but we got our first look at Robert Pattinson Batman. What did you think yes? We did So while the best part of the video I think was the so I think I think that's a serviceable G Aquino Score It sounds great It's definitely just seems like I'm sure right. I'm sure it's not finished. But if the if it's if it's something to build from If that wouldn't be really cool what's isn't g Aquino is who I've been late champing to be like usually do the Batman Superman. You should music for the next Superman. And he's so I mean I guess I kind of like a half got their. You know mentioning the Ballpark. Well I mean he's the new John Williams. The man did the music Jurassic World and then he did the music for star wars rogue one. You know what I'm saying. So he's He's played in John Williams ballpark right for sure. So it's not out of his round to be like you know what I should do. Superman specifically you mean. Why would he not right? I see no reason went up So the the suit It's very it's very arkham. Very like Arkham night where it's like Segmented and and overlapping Armor plates We'll see how that Arkham put. It also reminds me of injustice the first one now like with Libya with though the original trailer where everybody came out and there are there suits just like formed armor and stuff all around him. So that's what it reminds me of an Arkham and it reminds me a little bit. I mean we're just talking about a shot. Shows barely a cow and a chest? You know what it reminds me. A little bit of Arkham reminds me of that. Yeah so Yeah first impressions like you see the armor. It looks like the armor plates on his chest. the symbol looks burying metallic There's a lot of speculation Apparently everybody's reporting that's what it is but it's all just speculation. 'cause what kind of looks like It does kind of look like Two sides of a gun like split in half So quite possibly taking the idea that Batman used the gun that killed his parents to make to make a his symbol or or his chest play. So I mean that's a pretty cool story story plot point especially from Detective One Thousand. But he kinda just as a way of protecting. Yeah he put it underneath the wall so that way he had the gun that caused him so much pain To be his protection. He's out there doing what he does. but you know you see the metal you see the like the shoulder shoulder pads. It's like like shoulder Well I mean like shoulder pads which would think of as I dunno sports kind of whatever but it. It looks armored on the shoulders I'm not a fan of the collar. That's kind of popping up. You know what kind of like you against it because I feel like we're on it's only a I mean it's you know it's first impressions and all you really see. Is the chest shoulder and in the face? You don't even get to see the ears and his all shrouded in darkness. I mean there's no there's no real motion you know. It's not a full reveal or anything so I mean just picking little parts of what you do in. Which don't I mean it's exciting like I'm not hating the bat symbol? I just hope there's a purpose behind it and then if there is ends up being the gun cool I think it adds weight to it. The Armor Looks Kinda cool because you know we had the big armor like the Dark Knight rises arm or Dark Knight returns on MBBS and then we add the added armor lead served. That served a huge purpose. Though you know regular super armored. So we'll see maybe it'll look kind of like the Justice League. You know how he had. The extra armor added to it right. What I can say is kind of like so I would say that. This kind of looks more more Comic Book. More video game Armored version Less less supposed- real world tactical armor plating that they used in the dark knight and the Dark Knight Rises I will say that this this one shot with the way. That chest looks. Looks like the Batman of now the Games have become such an influence for an entire generation of Batman fans and right. And if you look at bbs that was like the kind of the people who were like. We like to hold. Onto the Frank Miller Batman. Oh here and now. We're like no we're going to take what's popular in Batman now and put it on screen and there is something to say about the Video Games though especially the Arkham series because they pulled the brank. The Frank Well they're amazing but they pull they straight pulled the brutality of Batman from the Frank Miller Stories Where he is all about breaking bones and beating guys to a pulp like they they pulled like Batman is is absolutely brutal in the Arkham games like if if if those if those if there are people who like are in traction or who can't walk properly you know or can't use their arm properly ever again like that's that's what he does. Those aims like like they would need reconstructive surgery to to straighten bones and things like that like he brutal on. He messes up horribly in game. Since they're criminals doing bad things. They deserve to punish. Get into politics here well. They they can't do. They can't do that again after what he's done to them right. You know like you'll be lucky to if you can hold a gun if you could operate your hands or keep your arm steady enough for anything when it comes to being able to use a gun after that you know so. I'm excited. I'm not eight hundred I you know I mean it's like okay. Just give me the full. The only thing that actually worries me about it is the way the mask looks yeah. I'm looking at that right now to Kind of it's almost helmet like it sits over his face as opposed to kind of like a full mask almost the way that flex looked the way his nose is kind of exposed underneath and the one thing that I kind of don't like either is is how far it goes back. Goes all the way back to his ears. His entire jaw line is is exposed. Out of the thing. Yeah more face a lot more face. It almost like it's very leathery like the mask has leathery people comparing it to daredevil so but that is my thing right now it's just like okay and I also won. It looks better than what we got on. Gotham in two. They gotta do something different. You know what I'm saying like they have to. They have to move forward. Speaking of Gotham so Brian Voice of reasoning and torture day when we first saw this an image and we we got bored and we started counting and James. I know you know this but if I hadn't told you this if I were to say to you hey James. How many bat suits do you think? Live action. Bats has there been. What would you have thought before I actually told you how many bats suits have been filmed? I mean if I thought about it and then if I you know and then asking like well what do you mean you mean movies or do you mean? Movies and television like Full Live Action. Or What Live Action. Live Action Movies Television. What HAVE YOU I I would have guessed I probably would have guessed around fifteen but I know the answer. Now I guest ten and then we started talking about. Here's my list and if somebody out there wants to argue with me please. You can argue with me. If somebody thinks missed one. Please message me but this is what we got. The first one is the cereals. The first serial of Just Batman. The second one is the seals. The second one calls. Batman and Robin has a different actor as Batman costume slightly different than we have Adam West Adam West appeared in both the TV series the movie and the legends of the superheroes. Then we get Batman. Eighty nine Batman Returns Batman forever. The I also the panthers suit. I don't know where that name came from. That's what I've heard. We have Batman forever. The second suit the sonar modification. We have the first few Batman and Robin the second suit. The ice suit we have Batman begins the dark knight which is the same suit for the dark knight rises. We debate on that one for a while. But there's no visible differences in the suits. It's the same suit then we have the BBS sort of the nightmare. Batman suit yes. It's a play off of the of the regular but there are some changes in differences and that can be argued we have the justice the Second Justice League suit then we have got them and then we have the one that I forgot which they did release pictures for so we know what the suit look like titans and then of course. Now we have the Batman which brings us to a total eighteen. Only eighteen live action sheets. It's a Lotta. Bats is a lot of bets so with that in mind. You have to kind of do something different. I mean the Titans Bat Suit Dany Naveh frigging Bat. Symbol on it. It was just like this. Big Tactical Armor Arkham origins looking thing with a back cow. And then we know what the dear Lord that was not good at all. Yeah Yeah I don't know what they were thinking there. I mean sh you know you're not gonNA spend a ton of money on on a suit you're going to see for six and a half seconds but could could where it was kind of like just a chest plate. That went over. The front actually wasn't a full costume. It just rented a cost players costume for less than what they made that for right or they could have just kept him more in the shadows and just been like an shot in distance and then an up close of his face and just used one argue birds of prey but in birds of prey. That's the VAL kilmer here at the beginning of birds of prey right back but that's enough about banning. What are you talking about Superman now? I hear your child back. That's my. That's my Valentine's Day. Okay okay. The pirate ship. Yeah we're having a good time. Just me and her. She said she said I could record. It was so long as you got her permission. We have a quick reported list of characters that are being added to the Superman and lowest show. I'll give you a quick rundown here number. We're GONNA have Martha Kent who is living alone on. A FARM IN SMALLVILLE GENERAL FAMILY. And hopefully it's the same general that we got in supergirl for continuity actor wise arms. No CLARKS NOT CLARK and already up in arms. Remember this post-crisis hand. We have Lana Lang. He's going to be a banker still in small way. Kyle cushion is. The character is going to be a firefighter. Who is the husband to Lana? That's a new character that's being added to the show. We have Sarah who who's learning cows. Fourteen daughter who tried to take her own life recently and. I'm hoping Brian said this that Sarah tries to kill herself. In it's superman clerk that stops it would be awesome right stadium. It's my superman lunchbox. Yeah you put your ticket to school or work. She's so excited daughters the best. Okay baby you could take my lunchbox school and then we have sophie whose London. Kyle's eight year old daughter and then we're GONNA see. This is the big ones before the number nine number seven and eight here of kind of characters being added. I JUST WANNA point. There is one I'd like to see return Lucy I would like to see Lucy. Return to the Burmese supergirl universe. Think John Dewan. Tatum gentleman yet is going to be. There's no I mean not anymore. Just popping come on just pop in for an episode. Just do a special guest appearance just for you know fine continuity for the fans you know what? She's actually not a bad actress. There was a show my wife watched. And I'll probably get the name wrong because one of those reminds me of another name. Pros like the Wichita. East end is a lifetime series. That she washed thing is on Netflix. Now in Jena was on it is actually a pretty cool show. Had some rare mythology about the witches came from and everything saw watching your wife. I don't care fighting people who care lifetime a wife. I'd like to have her back. And then last. We get our big tease out. That we got at the end of the last part of crisis was superman was to do to please. I just realized I reference National Lampoon's Christmas vacation anyway so wrong with that. I mean there's no it's very interesting to as much as I do. They cast two boys to play their sons. And obviously they're not twins if you look at the actors to play Jordan and Jonathan. I guess they're supposed to be more like fraternal twins but they're not identical twins. Say That Jonathan is a clean cussed. Clean cut modest and kind hearted with an attitude. That somehow doesn't seem dated. Jordan is widely intelligent but his temperament and social anxiety limit his interaction with people and consequently Jordan prefers to spend most of his free time alone playing video games. So yeah we got to and that's cool. That's I mean that's different you know. That's I mean there are some stories that were kind of poked around there. That's been dropped if you've seen anything online from the Golden Age about a Clark's Superman's kids but in modern continuity child wise. He's only had Jonathan and then he had his adoptive son of Chris. Kent who was actually odds child and So yeah I mean this. This is kind of interesting you know. What do you think I will say that? I'm not a fan of the name Jordan period. Okay but I do like that. It's not like Sam Saint because we have a whole problem with superheroes naming their children after their parents while. Jonathan is actually supposed to be Jonathan Samuel. Can I know he is James US named after both of his grandparents? I know this well. I mean his original name when he was in comics. Was Jonathan Samuel White. Because they used to bill the last name white as their hidden name after Perry white so you had kind of biological or they have their fathers and then like they're like they're pseudo father's name was that in the road to rebirth lowest. Clark it's in lorries and Clark storyline FA. And then I think I don't think it appears convergence but I have it. What are you doing with all my stuff baby girl? What are you putting here? Okay sailor just like Superman artifacts superman lunch all day belong right so I mean you know casted like to see continuity Come along with it. Probably not expecting Jenna Dewan to come back on. This must be nice to see like a one episode special counsel. Yeah not even as a recurring I mean. Even if she doesn't show up as guest if they re if they re caster I mean crisis right could be somebody different because a crisis that that's kind of like they're right. She would be like all right guys. We have to change anything. We just shock it up two classes. We approve you. Just you. Just accept it because it's because it's post-crisis we've already proved something. People look different on different. Earths with Clarke Clarke. We can do this Lucy Lane that return to. Yeah the word. The Lucy Lane that returned to earth prime is not the same. Lucy land that was from Earth. Thirty eight the Lucy Lane from whatever earth? That's now you know the Lucy Lane that. Lois grew up with you. Went crazy and they all have those memories. You know what's GonNa that's the way it works you know what's GonNa blow your mind if you stop and think for a minute with that multi-diverse the way they did it. That means that the Lucy Lane of smallville looks just like Golden Glider. Looks just like if you started about all the people like okay so lois lane on this? Earth looks just like Lois. Lane's mom you know like when you start hearing about it for some reason Jeremiah. Danvers looks a lot like this crazy. WanNA BE VANDAL SAVAGE. And then right. Yeah it looks like looks Curtis Knox. He was supposed to be vandal. Savage What they alluded to. Yeah well even what was it was? It was it end. Legends or the VANDAL. Crossover something one of his. Aliases was Curtis. Knox as a throwback to I don't know if it was I wonder if it wasn't the double legends or if it was in the double flash ERA CROSSOVER LEGENDS OF TODAY and legends of yesterday. It just blows your mind you start and stay connected the movie universe. How the LEX Luther? Cologne from smallville season ten looks a lot like Jack Sewer on chip. And how a meal? Hamilton from smallville looks a lot like this random. Canadian soldier with his feet. Cropped up who should have been watching the fortress ship and also why does cyborgs. Dad Look a lot like the doctor who tried to purge the I mean it goes on and on and on. Yeah but I mean you know. I'm kind of excited because I feel like it's just. It's that one thing where it gives it originality. It gives us something different. It kind of gives you let you play with. I'm not I like when there's more than one sibling. You know like you're a father of two. I'm a father of to excuse me one thing that I wanted was. We wanted to have a sibling for Solomon. There's there's a different dynamic in that with two and with the parents because then you can kinda partner off you know like Oh you know like tonight daddy daughter time and then mother or father some you know like you get two pair off and do stuff. So it's I think it works better than story having the child the child right. I mean it definitely shows like there's traction to the show going straight to series. I read somewhere that I think within the next year that we talk about that. A lot of the net flicks. Cw stuff's going to be. It's going to be leaving net flicks some good probably expect to show up in DC universe. The contract is up when when is it. Wish I knew the exact time I think it's sometime within the next year. The that the net flicks Cw contract is up 'cause that woman is going to. Hbo Max Streaming for bat woman is is on. Hbo Max so either either stuff will go to Hbo Max or some or we'll go to DC universe I mean like we said we'd like to have a DC TAB on HBO. Max like they do the Marvel Tab on Disney plus Brian. He's come aboard and he agreed with me when I said Yeah I mean I I would pay the fifteen months for all the content Kizza me. It's only seven fifteen. Yeah I was GONNA say if it's fifteen bucks a month and you get everything that comes on. Hbo Max Plus. You get everything that you you were paying seven ninety nine a month for on DC UNIVERSE. So for eight dollars more a month. You're getting you know. Dc Universe and everything on on HBO. Max which they have a lot of frigging content come into HBO Max Wada Content. Plus they announce their their Warner Max Film Division for For films to be released on. Hbo Max I'm not sure if it was confirmed or if it was rumored but they are going to They will handle some D. C. H. B. O. Max movies. I think that's where you could light things Joan ahead. You can do something like that. You could do something with booster gold. Yeah you could definitely yeah right like like your or even just blue beetle. Yeah Lo lower tier characters. You know. You're you're you're see in D. level characters. That wouldn't draw a crowd unless like marketing was spectacular. I got a pitch. Hbo DC move. You know it would be. It would be easier to do those with a moderate moderate budget and put it on something that people are already paying for and All they would People would would be able to see it. You know you wouldn't be worrying about having to Dr- you know having to create a box office Which real quick speaking of box office I was looking up. Birds OF PREY and the box office MOJO and Apparently worldwide Going into its second weekend. We birds of prey is at a hundred and fifty four million three hundred seventeen thousand six hundred ninety dollars at its worldwide gross That's not bad for A. That's that's one week. One week out. Thursday third Friday Friday Thursday to Friday hundred fifty four million for an eight million dollar movie. So it's not just you know how people are so we'll see what I think needs to see another ended double and then make another million to yeah actually media so somebody said if it made two hundred and fifty million dollars worldwide that it would be That it would probably break even or start to show a profit and you know. They're they're high balling that. Yeah I mean because my marketing costs weird. Because I don't like to advertise movies but I'm like I don't see this. You don't see this advertisement you see is on twitter or on facebook or social media which is free right. But I don't know it's weird. Is there any other news that we missed? I don't think we did. Oh I'll tell you. I think what they should pitch for. Hbo Max they should do a television esque movie of what the third season of crypt on would be. Yeah that's definitely Like Hbo Mac show or or Yeah. I agree with that one hundred percent so all right. I think we've covered the news this want to talk about. We're seeing so much traction on Lois and Clark and everything yeah. It's it's pretty cool that they've got they've got it come into you know that they ordered it They they must be must really be liking something That's coming down the line. You know I mean it's it's CW. We're getting a superman shell. That's awesome will have will have episodes if supergirl episode and a Superman and Lois episode to discuss. Yeah I mean I was thinking about this that this summer is going to be weird for us because it'll be the first time that we don't have a second show to cover in two years. You Know I. We ran two shows congruency for a while and then last year we had crypt on for the summer this year. We don't have a second show. We'll get to do different kinds of episodes but yeah which we have Superman red son coming up very soon. And that's special. We'll hold off but we'll let people know that with close near you should go and check out. The last sons of Krypton right now. They have a thread on their twitter and on their facebook discussing the Red Sun book. Of course Jamesy New James and I have been asked James and I have been invited to join them on their podcast. We'd be a two part episode. We're going to review the book over on their show and then they're going to join us and we're going to review the movie next month so sweet. Everybody just kind of stay up-to-date big go over there to their social media and putting your thoughts about red sox right you'll wrapped up tired. I think so all right man you get it's been it's been a long day. It's been a long week. My daughter hurt herself yesterday. She's got a splint on her arm. You'd probably be fitted for a cast on Monday. She okay yeah she's all right. She's tough so we'll pain meds and it's a small break. It's nothing not not like a full full through break and and bone separated or anything like that. So she's GonNa make it to it all worried all right. Everybody stay tuned and remember been sky. Look up in the sky.

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Helen Slater

Maltin On Movies

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Helen Slater

"Hi guys, we want to thank our great sponsor legion 'em. They are the first fan owned entertainment company. We love working with them. They create really incredible experiences for people if you're someone who wants to feel like you own a piece, and are a piece of the industry. It's a great way to do it. They do meet ups all over the country. They have a really cool community going online. I cannot recommend them enough. Go, legion dot com for more information. Arm waterfalls at Jesse Malta Bush, and on our guest today is the lovely Helen's late. Yes. The same Helen Slater, who astonishingly. How can it be thirty five years ago? You were supergirl. How is that possible crazy? I know because you still look super to me. Oh, isn't that nice, but I'm just telling the truth. That's how you've been married, so many years. To say thank you. Thank you. That's so sweet. And I mean, that was I'm we're going to get the whole back story because we're going to grill you all this. But that was your first movie. Yes. And it's it became I, I guess your signature is the best way to put it. But who could have envisioned certainly not you or anybody else that you'd be still involved with supergirl, all these years later and its newest incarnation. Yeah. It's to be playing her mother. Now, I play super girl's mom on the CBS, or now CW show. No see coaching c w think it's still CW. Yes, but a station with letters. We'll just go. I mean, it is sort of the, it's just the oddest job to have had to have played that role because then on smallville which was also about the superman as you know, as a teenager, I played his biological mom from creek. Thanh. And then there's another one to all the animated series. I play Martha Kent. So I think they time they just enjoy. It's not only me, I think it's all of us that have been in this DC universe. Get asked again. And again or what a lovely thing all my gosh. It's so sweet. It's great for you guys who get to do it, and it's great for the fan. Well, I just was at a Comecon in England. Oh, mind, you know, I can tell you, the, the fans the people that are real DC world fan. They are they just love those connections and being able to like a really good. We are talking about this last night, because I was telling my dad doesn't get to watch a lot of TV. And I was saying that this is something that's so common where they bring people in, and it, it really makes it multigenerational in a whole other way. Yeah. So it's not just someone may not know you or supergirl. But now you're super. Girls mum. Yes. And in what at the comic cons, a lot of times it's the parents that's it and the kids will have seen the TV show. And but they always, you know, at the kamikaze they'll print up some right right right in the supergirl. Hang, and sometimes the kids are just like staring at it like it doesn't quite make sense. Melissa Benoist as supergirl from that person on the dad is saying, all that was Super Bowl when I was, and she's very. You too are quite similar. She's very simple, qualities. I can't say I mean I want to say that's the highest compliment. Melissa Benoist is one of the kindest, hardest working, you know, one hour television. I've been on a few shows also as a series regular where the hours are just so unforgiving. It's never it's very rarely a ten hour day twelve hour day and, and with special effects like supergirl, it's the CGI. It's going on many times, fourteen hour fifteen hour days and she has never lost her seat. I mean like just kept the just, you know, she'll say if something feels tiring or whatever, but, but no just no drama behaviors such a I can't say enough great things about her there. So lucky to have found her and really and young winner. Very lucky because she's exactly what you want them to emulate as. Real person. Yes. Because only here nice things and then in the role. Yeah, definitely. But it is the generational it. What makes me happy makes me excited. It's part of what honestly what I love about family guy, and because Seth McFarland is such a he's a jazz nut. You know, he's a musical theater guy. So the same thing, the jokes, the jokes that they will make on that show. Merican dad to you know Pearl Bailey is the name of the high school like very, it's stuff that I realized there are four of us getting it and loving every minute and the rest. Nobody has a clue sign with me. Eight the fine my me that's. Is there a difference in the vibe, the atmosphere, the interactions at a British Comecon, and there is to Ray t-? Well, the accent is so lovely, it softens anything sometimes people coming up and saying, you know, I had a woman in this last comic. Con I mean it was just so odd. And she said to me something like you know, you looked very ill at the comic con from two years ago, just look very sick, and I smile politely, but she's saying it with the loveliest Akron. So like, it's you're kind of getting. Yeah, I'm trying to think what the difference if I can think of what the American comic cons have done. I'm going to metropolis this weekend. I haven't been in quite a while, like ten years. I think they, it's this tiny little one and it's the birthplace of superman. It's metropolis Illinois. And, and I'll have a better sense. Of the American ones from that found the fans are. But usually everybody is so kind and, and many times what they're telling you is not necessarily. Oh, I loved you in the movie, but they're telling you stories like, you know, my dad passed away last year, and I have this memory when I was twelve you know, sitting on the couch and that movie coming on, and it really becomes more about that in that way. It's sort of this unexpected thing, where you're hearing people's very moving stories including people that have been through, you know, just unbelievable tragedy and illness and really willing to share their stories. So I I always feel moved moved by that piece of it. Well that, but that is where we do still need each other, and where the Interweb and everything else you can't really replace is that. And having someone come up and do exactly that, which is this was my whenever I was sick and I was home from. School. I watch with my mom, it's like the end. I think you're speaking to something true, which is just the human that human contact or being connected. Even just for few minutes with, you know, being able to be seen as crazy as the various cons are, and they are crazy. Have you been? Then if you've been in that were in so many. Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh. San Diego comic. Con guess where we tell you con and we've been to isn't it inner crowding San Diego's. That's insane done that once and I don't think I can do that again though. Like I mean that must have been to. Everybody we meet or have any conversation with have been really nice. Yes. Really? Really nice just a lot of so many of them. Yes, I mean, if we start makes you think the mass of humanity, it's like the mouth it. Yeah. But what did you finish? What you were saying. I'm sorry. I don't know if no no no, no. It's, it's, it's that though, it's that the thing that makes me really excited for the cons. Is that whether it's d- Twenty-three or anything else, people plan for them for a whole year or two years? They, they find out who's gonna come and they will sit for hours to whether it's hall H or it's just getting into whatever the city is there, too. I have a lot of friends who go to the cons around the world and across unit there. So many of them, and a lot of for a lot, especially voice actors, there's a lot of them were. This is their life mango from this to this, Jason Marston is oh. Oh, yeah. Everywhere, there's, you know, there's so many and now the artists also the, the cut that's been a huge boom, I think, in the last more than when I did my first one, I haven't done that many, but it now seems like there's this great financial way to make some money during you know, where which is great great. Yeah. So. I don't know how to begin this, exactly. But when you attended the high school for performing arts and New York City, did you actually do production numbers out on the street? I'll just like in fame. Tell me it was just. Thing and I'm not saying it because it's my alma mater, and I love it so much. We my class, which Erica Gimpo. She played CoCo and fame. She was in my class, Lisa Vidal, who's a working actress kisha Lewis, who took over for Jennifer Holliday in Dreamgirls. They were all part of my class, and we were part of the bus and truck, this very split like a special you had to audition in the eleventh grade, and it was an original musical that I composed. And then we would take it on tour in the city to public schools in Harlem Spanish Harlem, and all over the city and we were the kind of kids like our class were the very Singye probably annoying to the musicians are some some track. But we really did like have this kind of innocent buoyant, it wasn't that far off from the fame. I'd say that's just great. Yeah. Yeah. Mean for us, we were, we just were so I mean, when you think now I'm fifty five years old now, and I look back at that fifteen year old and that sense of just joy and youth. And when you just feel like you can absolutely do anything, and just how precious that time is in seeing it, in my daughter, and my nieces and my friends kids that kind of. You know, just facing forward and your life in front of you and what's going to happen really lovely. Did your daughter inherits showbiz bug from you? She went to NYU Tisch. She was in the Stella Adler school, and then she transferred to the film school and made a web series and kind of how she's like you and your husband. She's she has a lot more rob because they have more of that humor from like the office, and they both we've all done improv, but she's really done that improv track. And now if you could see my face anyone, that's listening Leonard and Jesse can see she's now living in Brooklyn, which is fabulous for her with her great Kabbal of women writers, and they're part of this brook- Brooklyn collective, it's like an improv collective, and they get up and do their art and their work and their but you know it's super far away, but she's, she's happy. And she had. Couple of like maybe opportunity to come back to L A. And she was like, you know, I'm really, really happy here, and well we're which I'm from New York, so it'd be although I was living on the on New York on the upper east side, and she's in Brooklyn, so it may as well be Moscow so far from. Yeah. Anyways mom's there so she gets good. That's something your parents artistic at all my parents, they divorced when I was eight years old. And my, my dad worked in public television. He was the general manager in the vice president for PBS, and w t twenty six and then my mom was a she went to law school. When I was a senior, and practice law, and then justed all piecework for the last, I have the best story about her. Can I share? Yes, it's just too, and you can always cut it out if it's too. So she's this really feisty Jewish mother like super overbearing brilliant, like. I went to college at fifteen and just this really intense energy, and she and I have always bumped heads our whole life, but not out of no love just whatever the mother daughter because stalled is, which all mother daughters have to go through. So a few years ago, I said to her, it was just so becoming like a little too stressful. And I said, look, when I come, I'm going to stay in a hotel, we'll still go to the theatre. We'll still go to meals. We'll still see Hannah my daughter, but I just think it's just being and she was, you know, as you can imagine very upset about this. But she we did it. We'd just was what had to happen and around three years into this. I was doing the little movie in New York, and I had a few days off, and I called her, and I was like, mom wanted. I come stay with you. And she was like, oh my God. This is so wonderful. Yes. Come stay with me. And we had the best time ever. We walked through central park, a six mile walk. We stayed up till three in the morning talking about philosophy and. Religion and literature and just the best time. And on the third day and I should just back track a little bit. So her work in the peace movement has been specifically around nuclear disarmament, and she's traveled all over the world you can look up. Alex Slater written articles in the New York Times Alice to we haven't Alice to your mother, your husband anyway, so on the third day. I the phone rings at five in the morning, and I come out, and I have met never really seen my mother cry. Just not seen her really my and she's with stream Watertown, her face. And I'm like, mom, what's happening? What's going on is everything? Okay. And she puts the phone down. And she says we've won the Nobel peace prize. Now, what were the chances her, or one of her organizations? I can that I would be in the house on the morning that she got this news. I took her to Oslo. She was in the ceremony. I had to go with all the family members watching on the video, and it was just one. Of the most incredible not making up. But, like just an extraordinary story in my life that, that happened. Yeah. And the reason I can want want it, and then that's international coalition against nuclear right wrong. Something like that. Is because for in twenty seventeen or yeah, twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen twenty eighteen they did this initiative at the United Nations to get as many countries as possible to sign a petition that would say nuclear weapons are unlawful and because of that one thing that they were able to get done. They were awarded the Nobel peace prize. And you know it was it was an incredible experience. Got to share that with and share with their end that I was in the apartment when it said, I'm not staying we're taking break for a few. It's just too much anyway. So the previous healthy maybe oh my gosh. Sometimes, you know that thing of you just sometimes have to do that. So there you are in. Yes in your senior year. Yes. High school for performing arts. And how does the audition for supergirl come about? So I graduated in June. And then we I said to both my parents, I said, you know, I'd like to take some time to see if I can addition and get get something because the rule was performing arts in general. You weren't allowed to work. Sometimes they were exceptions. But they really were very strong like come and get this training, and it was a vocational high school. It was very strict. And how our member reading that they actually forbid you. Yeah. I mean, it was pretty strong, and there were some a couple of exceptions, but for the most part it really was that was the letter of the law. So I said, let, I'd like to try this, and so I started in July auditioning for things. And I think I addition for supergirl I in September bike beginning of September after I graduated. And you know, it was just a shock. I had to agents at the time one of them wanted to send me up for supergirl and the other one to send me up for super girls friend. So I went with the agent, that would like go for the part of supergirl. Yeah. Can you walk us through that? I'm sorry. You've probably had to tell the so many. No. Okay. Well, my mom, bringing my mom back in Alice, she sewed me Cape. I definitely went in fully propped up. She sold the Cape by I remember the acting in with the other girls, the other girls. They're so how do you get a room with it? Because performing arts on. You know, you are this was dead serious for me. And but I remember seeing the other young women there and no one had a Cape. I was like, well, maybe this is the distinguishing piece nerves. I my heart like bang, bang, bang. Just pounding just the nerves of its of that audition. I remember very specifically and I remember one acting teacher saying the obstacle strengthens the will. So I was like, you know, strengthening the well against that fear, and then I ought dishes, and then they brought me back for screen test in England. And there is a documentary the making of supergirl. I think it's on the DVD now. And Lynn stall master who's revered casting director. Yes. And he talks about his strategy forgetting them to cast me after that first edition was to bring me when they brought me back for the second one before the screen test, he said his thinking was, like, bring her in first, so that he thought that, that would be like, I don't know, somehow that was his strategy as opposed to bring her in last after everybody, and then it was just this wild change of life. Experience I trained with Alf join to trained Christopher Reeve and gain twenty five pounds and did all this weight training translating. I mean it was right boost shirt. You drinking protein drinks and running and weight training fencing horseback riding he just had me do as many athletic swimming three times a week, everything to sort of build up as sense of being an athlete lake being an athlete, and, and then learning how to fly on the wires, which was. Quite a trip. And I and I heard it's actually hasn't changed that much now with Melissa the way they do it, it isn't that much different. They still have like the diaper harness with Rhianna wires and the. I'm watching video of my friend who had a fall, so it, so it's like this morning with Jaylen laughing because you do think all the technology in the world, all the things we have, and he still awkwardly dents in half going. Oh, I just need, only my friend has said and we she night joke about this because she just she directed a couple of years ago, this movie ride about of surfing movie mother surfer, and she said it's six thousand years. We've been in the film and the sound department has not none. Nothing. That's improve with sound. You're still getting wide with them. Putting it right. Traits in your private parties. They haven't like the only thing that. And supergirl flying has just stayed has not improved. Is it true that you actually talked to Christopher Reeve about? I did he was at pinewood studios originally he was going to be in the script, and then I think just the, the way that the schedules are working out. He couldn't do it then. But we did become friends, and I have told this story before of when he and I were in New York, and we were out late one night, and we had gone to dinner, and we were sitting on central park, south or central park west on a park bench, and it was late like, maybe one in the morning and two or three fire trucks comes zooming down central park west, let's just say and Chris turned to me, and he said, oh, here's superman and supergirl and not a thing we can do to help, you know, like the. Yeah. So he was a lovely lovely man. I don't know if you ever got to meet him, just briefly. Yeah. I mean, just so kindhearted. And interestingly this comic con I was at an England Brandon routh ran around. He is. Is really has a Chris vibe, like, just as gentle, hard and kind of warmth into just such a sweetness. And I we talked about it briefly and he said, you know, I've been told that before and really wild anyway. It's one hell of a compliment. Yeah, right. Yeah. You're going to see him haired that. That's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Don't remember your first day on the sound stage, such a good question. What was the first day? I don't. I don't know that. I remember the first day I remember the first day of flying and I remembered that they were starting to pull me up on the wires. And I remember quietly singing to myself. Hello, dolly. I. That song, I guess it was all those summer stocks. Some are. I remember I'd send that when I was little learning how to water ski like trying to get up on the water skis. So I was singing like, Hello, Dolly as they were lifting me. And, you know, you're lift, you're not it's not just two feet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Any fear out there here and again, just that feeling like you're just I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the implications of this. But you're giving the impression that you're okay. And to yourself and yeah. This sense of your okay? Well, and I trust the people that I was working out joint and the people that were yeah, it goes. There's another funny motion of things that haven't changed. His flying is still the arms out. Yes. So, you know. One, Chris had a thing with, like, because he was a pilot about, like some sort of sectional. Yes. It like there was he was an airplane. Hey, you know what you're superman. You do. Whatever you want. Yeah. Right. You wanna be a plane. You'd be a plane. Exactly. And, and how would you sum up the experience of making that movie wasn't a was it a positive experience? Much sounds like unknown. Yeah. You know, I mean it was it was great. It was a great experience. I mean it completely changed the trajectory of my life. So for the just for that, alone, I feel like it just hold such a place in my psyche. And the fact that it's still going on just the it's that's sort of just an odd. I mean imagine seeing a picture of yourself at eighteen years old when you go to Comecon or some yet, you're kind of it. Oh, it's. So it's, it's very present. Yeah. I wished it was a it had done better. Obviously the writing. I mean I don't know. Part of it was that it was a super girl, and they couldn't fashion it exactly in the same way as superman. I'm not. I don't know. Why not? But then, you know, I went on and did ruthless people and secret of my success and movies that really broke out, I think a little better than what Chris was up against. I think for him it was much, much harder. No, you didn't get straitjacketed no pun intended. Right. That part. Right. Career-wise. Yeah. That was sort of maybe the silver lining of not doing as well. Interesting. Well, you're next film, made a big big impact on my daughter, here, the magin to Billy g. Yep. I. That's one of the very first movies that I saw where I started to understand the whole girl, power situation, which is why I think it has the effect that it does. Yeah, I love hearing that. And I've had so many people share that with me, it was on TV a lot, which is also a factor. Yes. When something's on a ton. Yes. No. And sinks, in it doesn't messages that they were saying, well, I looked, I looked it reviews and it wasn't a super well review now, but and I said to my dad, I have no clue if I watched it now I think I'd still love it. Yeah, just because that's well it holds up place. Yeah. Play for me. That's, that's that movie I didn't realize as well until much later that that was Christian Slater. That's not what stuck in my head. Yeah. And yard can Smith her voice of Lisa Simpson. Because she gets her period in the film, right? Which is a little bit again. You're going. What does that mean reasoning with the lady MTA super embarrassed about? And then when I got. Older, and I went, oh, it misses terrible yet. It now. Okay. But again, in terms of things not changing. What's the first thing in the film that, that shows you're active of power, and you don't own me as cutting the hair, so get some things don't change? And I had people tell me they cut their hair also that, that film they had their for whole look your whole. Look, you go from being what just standard beautiful. Yeah. You know where it's like all I get it. I get react the way they do. And then you're in a biker type Ryano name with the blue and the paint and the hair and the earrings. And everything it it stuck. It did. It was there. And I do I still think about it. That's why meeting you the other day for the first time I just went, oh, by the way, just we had the best time at the do we call it the malls fest. It's all my gosh. That's it's anybody. That's listening that lived in Los Angeles. Or if you live anyway. Where in the world or country, just make it a destination. It was so much fun. We saw song catcher with his not. He's I cannot it was just so beautiful. And I think we did see it when it originally came out. I went with rob. And but I didn't remember so much of it. And we were both just crying and just hard opened in that story is just so beautiful. And now having heard what you do, which we will get into an amid as his, but it makes that much more sense. That's a perfect movie for you to see just so the whole point of the festival, which we will be doing again. Yes. The whole point of the festival was to show movies that needed cried out to find an audience, lean, again, yes, we need that. And I also just that it the family affair that your wife was making. Is it true that Allen g making the woman with the mouse? Let me tell you. I was waiting for a cop to come up. I really was I was waiting for an auto license and just go, listen, you cannot just be pushed she had champagne she's pouring. She made was it was mother's day, which makes sense, which makes it so Alice was pouring. Mom, mom. All right. That was so fun. Alice without. They're just getting everybody. Tanked? The way to go. It was very fun. All the volunteers were so our friends. Yes. That's the thing. We abused everyone. We know. But that's all friends there. Yeah, we'll come every year it was terrific was that the first. I it's going to be I think it's going to just keep getting bigger and bigger and thank you. That's the goal is to have exactly what you had, which is you see something. And you think, oh my God this movie. Yeah. How did I not see it? I'm so glad I did. And I said to friends, you may not love all the movies. Yeah. No, you can't. That's not how it works. But at the very least you won't feel like you, you won't feel like you wasted any time it will still feel valuable Boone of being at the AGIP Shen youthful. All of this all of it was wonderful. And that's why having you. There was such a trip. Oh, yeah. I'm so glad it really was. And then, so you have to tell the story, though of how you initially met them. Well, some years ago, and I mean some years ago, I think twenty five maybe not to be you play this game. But whenever we think it's five it's ten ten oh gosh, I very depressing. Sometime back. Your husband rob watts key. Yes, sent me a copy of short subjects that you had done a theatre troupe layers. We were doing improv and all in gibberish, by the way, are improv in L A. We would do these shows then yeah. Yes. So and sent me, a very cute funny. Wims ical short subject called heaven's poppin. On the Olsen and Johnson show, and we'll be held a pop and I really liked it. And I, I think in those pre Email days, I wrote back in actual letter, I think he's saying how much I enjoyed his quill. Can I tell you what it meant to him to? It was just such a huge just a huge thing in his life. Compliment to have you be saying that. And I think he I know he did he put your quote on the DVD. Because when you're independent, and you're making your things, you know, it's very hard to get any kind of acknowledgement from the real world or from the established world. So that was so kind. And well, it was because the film was charming and really, he's a terrible person, you wouldn't he would never do. Well, I don't think you would probably give your endorsement to something if it wasn't for your tastes now. Closeness hit hit the spot. Yeah. And I'm so that that's what put you back on my radar. And right. Introduced me. You know, the snail mail been rob. So when you walked up to say Hello Maltin fest about a month ago. It was like whoa, Hello. Yes. I remember you guys. Right. We were so happy. We all are. Yeah. I'm so happy. So when you started working as a working actress continued your career after supergirl and Billie Jean, but Billie Jean was that like for you. Well, I'm starting about to skip over your favorite. Hits you across his table charge. Oh, and also interestingly with the whole hashtag whole, too, I just said his hat while to him, you know, everything oldest new again. Yeah, this movie's the Pitta me of that. I mean I don't think it was the first. But just so in the eighties that here was theme. And the guys that wrote it were Walter Bernstein wrote, I believe the first version of the legend, Billie Jean, and he was blacklisted writer during the McCarthy period. And that is why I believe the movie has a lot of resonance resonance because he was telling kind of a political story, even though it's dressed up in a blonde trailer park. You know, curl kids that are on the wrong side of the tracks, and kind of in this hashtag me too movement back, then that it was sort of a modern Saint Joan story. And, but any, my I do think other brighter came in at once Jim Peters came on board. And it did get probably more water. Down or shifted around a bit. But, but I think the nugget of it is there. And that is when I probably was super is what it is. And you the image of you that, that sir just like you're super girl. It is quite funny. It was those roles were like, yeah. And then there's us Billie Jean just looking like a bad. Yeah. You know, can a little bit like Bowie, right? Just and had been ATar song invincible, which I know a lot of people were Fanta. Fanta and Christian Slater is in that and Christian who obviously went on to have a gigantic Donald, he's done really. Well, and people, I know he gets this, because I get it all the time, we play brother and sister in the movie, people are always asked go, I just would be simplicity say, Yep. Yes, we s we are. But I mean, what are the chances of that, that you sell my wife? Your brother and sister. Yeah. Time when when people don't necessarily know either of you oh. Oh I if it was today. I think somebody might have other is actually a well known casting director. Mary Jo Slater. And she had, I think she may have cast me in something before this. But since then I think I had had a new her and certainly had met her before I had done supergirl or legend diligent because she was in the New York Jets in the New York, sees interesting. Yeah. So that means you, do you uprooted and moved here to LA after I did ruthless people. I'm trying to remember the order. I moved to Los Angeles. I was in New York. I had started this theater company with Fisher Stevens, and Nancy Travis called naked angels, and kolber dead. And it went on to do really wonderful things, and it was February in New York City, and I was on seventy fifth, I was living on the Upper West side between Columbus and Amsterdam, and I had to just go to the subway to go down for hersal or something. And I was so. Cold. I mean, it's I'm barest. This is just an embarrassing story. I just and I remember getting home and just thinking, I'm done if I can work in California, Los Angeles. I, I don't wanna be cold like this, or the very short version for them wasn't. It was supposed to fly about my dad commuted for two years from New York to LA for entertainment to know you from New York both my parents, my mum's Bronx. Oh, jesse. My parents are from the pet sounds like it. Yes. Sounds like your mom and my mom, we, we have our Alyce. Yes. And then my dad's born in Manhattan, but raised in Teaneck New Jersey, but gosh so, so they my dad was commuting this trip. My mom would come out with him. They were supposed to fly home, but there was a blizzard, and they weren't sure if they were going to get it was one of those where you might be you might end up in Chicago. You might add up in Syracuse. You change. Hassle. So there was this incoming blizzard, which they were certain was gonna shut down all the airports. Yeah. So we we played hooky for a weekend. Yeah. In february. Yeah. In february. Yeah. And stayed here and we had an outdoor brunch Patty's. Sure, Luke, Elaine. Luke allay to my mom always says we were sitting outside at patties and I said, I'm I'm done now. I'm done with the col-. I'm not there is for some of us. It's not everybody. But for some of us really is was like that, like and now they're both wusses now. They can't handle any kind of weather. They've been immaterial to stay warm is much better in two thousand nineteen. I think the down call the law. I don't know that they had the hype Jesse, we said raise you're never gonna hear growing up here in southern California bundle. Yeah. No, we're layers layers was another one. It's like oh, so, so shirt. Yeah. And then a sweater layers right layers. I did make the move, and then I met rob, my so Helen hunt, and I went to the reason I knew to come out here was not only from doing the movie ruthless people, but because there was a group of actors that actually was my mom had helped organize. It was a filmmakers exchange between Russia and New York, and me Judd Nelson Mary, Stuart Masterson. Helen hunt, Craig Sheffer, Tim ransom Erica. Gimpo and kisha Lewis who were my friends from performing arts. We went to Moscow at in a filmmakers exchanges on the wall was still up so nineteen eighty-seven and they had artists come over here was this exchange, and we went to the national theatre the Moscow, national theatre and toward, and that's held, and I met and had this incredible. Just so much fun talking for, you know, sixteen hours a day. And when she was living in L A, and I came back. She said, I want you to come. Come to Gary Austin's improv class. Oh because she had done improv in Moscow. She got up an improvised and my mouth dropped open. I was like, how the heck do you do that? And she was completely fearless. And when I came to LA, she said, go to Gary Austin's improv class. He founded the groundlings, and she was on a movie she'd gotten a part somewhere. So she wasn't there, and I walked in, and I called her that night, and I said, I met the man, I'm gonna marry rapport. And she said, rob Watson. And I was like, how did you know, and she's like I just knew. And that's where I met, rob. So it's because of Helen hunt via Gary Austin that I met, rob. Moscow via Mazi. My mother. All comes back to. Exactly always, but anyway, but yes. So that's how I ended up in Los Angeles long story short longer start making these high profile movies with very high profile stars co-stars. And I'm wondering, you know, this people and the secret of my success and sticky fingers, guests and city slickers. Chris. Who I'm not asking favorites or anything like no no indiscreet who impressed you I hadn't who on a stage win working in a scene. And you and I have I have two two stories that stand out in my mind, and one was with Peter O'Toole on supergirl. So I was eighteen and green is green is could be. And there was one day where we just there's nothing much. They were setting up the shot or the something, and he said, do some Shakespeare for me because he knew I'd gone to performing are tonight. Did start the Juliet speech though knows the mask of night is on my face else would have made ins blush paint my cheek for that which was over heard me speak tonight, and my arms are flailing and I'm very earnest and I'm just acting my heart out. And he says, you know, I want you to try it again. And this time I want you to imagine that you're holding a daffodil between your thumb and your pointer and just keep your hands down by your side and. And do the monologue again. And this time I did it. I still get. So touched thinking of this, and I could just feel even at that age the poetry coming through without the flailing. And the language was the thing, and that was really one of those profound just acting tip moments. And the other one was with Bette midler on ruthless people, and it was a scene, where it's a very high comedy scene. And I had coached I had learned very early on. It's good to get an acting coach for film because you're not having any real rehearsal, nothing's in time, and the acting coach can actually just help you have things on the day because you're shooting out of order that can bring the scene to life. I worked with Perry, Barry primus. He was a wonderful acting coach from the actress studio. But we got to the day of the scene, where I'm having to tell Bette midler that her husband Danny devito is not willing to pay the ransom. And you know, she's pay Szekely. I have to. This terrible news because we're holding her hostage and, and, you know, the emotion just wasn't there. I had my sensory, and I had my notes from Barry, and I had, but I could the nerves or the something and you've, I'm sure you've talked to many, many actors and you probably have as well that, you know, a lot of the technique is, what do you do in that moment? If you can't, you know how can you stay relaxed, or how are you going to well, in this moment, and I was just struggling and bet turned to me. And she said, I just just let's do one take where you imagine that you're telling me pretend that you're having to tell me that I have cancer now. It sounds very heavy and very dark, but not for my twenty two year old little self it just relaxed the system and I could be in the imaginary world with her and the feeling was all there. And so those are two very strong moments with fancy people, I've had. Many others, without so many, but those are two that stand out in my mind to gems kindness, always sticks with people, that's the first thing another actor wanting to help you and one thing I do notice because I've now been like the last eight nine years, I've been on three television series as, as a series regular playing the mom. That's I'm pretty sure that's true in Austin and here in LA in Vancouver and the pace is so fast. I mean it's it's so there's it really is like NASCAR. Yeah. Like try by just so quickly and so anything you can bring a lot now at this age, like playing the moms I feel like can you just bring a sense of warmth, and like good humor and to help the kids, relax or that? And you know, it really does go such a long way. Even if I can't say enough about the feeling like I'm on the. Other side of I hope I can get it, right. Or I really want on the other side of just how can I make this good for everybody else, or you know, you're, you're not only helping the younger actress on your set? Yeah. But you're kind of being an exemplar for that. You're, you know, you're saying this is how it this is. How goes. Yeah, I hope so. When hopefully they take that with them, you know, how this, of course and it moves and move. We have these people. We remember right? That kind of like you just even if it's just briefly. You're like, oh, I remember, like they were actually it doesn't matter what job you do. Everyone. Everyone has the Davis show was nice to them. I repeat it constantly but everyone and entertainment tonight, treated me like gold. Oh, and because of that different because of growing up there and growing up with them. I've never had patients for route people. Yeah. Because though they I was a kid. They had I could give them nothing. Yeah. They got nothing from me in that sense. They were kind they were so sweet. Yes. So sweet. Down way means a lot, and it, does it sticks with you. And that means that they're young actors who one day when they're are a little older. We'll get to say the same thing. Yeah. Maybe you know it's a cycle, you know that. And that's it. It's also it's also why someone wants to hire you. Yeah. Although that is an interesting thing about the work really being it does I always heard it, and I was like, well, I just think I'm always going to be working, you know, like, I don't know, even though when I had Hannah I really just loved stopping I was working, maybe once a year much less, but I did really love being a mom and raising her. I just always had that sense. The work is here to Lois, come, and it does, but it really is true you get older. And it really does start to it's just lessons. You have to find other other means to keep yourself going. I want to ask you about something I this isn't a anything negative in any way. But you you were. Co-star on a big network TV series. Right. Co created by David milch. Yes. Capital news. Just aired as we're speaking, two point. Oh or something. Right. And, and Lloyd, bridges was star. Yes. And this had all the promise no one ever asks about that this habit, all the promise of being like a new yes show something like Aaron Sorkin snooze. Exactly. Generation later. Yes. And it didn't it didn't work. I know we did one season. And it just kind of I mean he's brilliant. David milch. There's no question, and I saw how he worked with actors people would come in, and if they had a problem he'd be like, come on bring them over to the computer and have them if he was have if somebody had trouble, I remember him going, like, well, what do you think he should say, or, you know, like he was just which always is the best a lot. Darren sorkin. And he's the genius of all geniuses. But I don't know why that didn't go. I, I haven't seen it since then. So I'd be curious. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I think it aired, I think air, it did go on the episode. So it did go. Yeah. Yeah. 'cause I was wondering about that. Because when you're starting a series you don't know, know if it's going to be five years out of your life. Exactly. Or thirteen weeks out of your exactly, and you have to obviously be optimistic and positive and getting ready to settle in. Yeah. Here's long getting to know your fellow actors and the crew, and you're doing the producers and, and sometimes the rug gets pulled down to be very funny feeling. Well, I think I don't think it's just actors I think it's anyone that's in the creative business and generating their own work or being dependent on other people to give them work. It's very unpredictable. I mean it's not for the faint of heart. Sure. And certainly not got you did. Get to do as you mentioned earlier, briefly some voice work for DC. Yes. I play Martha Kent in the DC. It's called. Oh, gosh. Don't re-taped this. Let me just fall on my face. It's the animated Batman the animated series. Yes, I play Talia the Russian villain. And I have a lot of people Comecon come up with their Taliban animated things cell and I signed superhero girl shit. Dc superhero girls. Yes. That DC superhero girls. And I play Martha Kent. I, I lose I am stripped of my superpower, although you're a mom, I'm the mom superhero. And also, I'm a mom that's true. That's true. Remember that? So what has what do you find sustains you? That's such a good question too silky and the fishing the suck. That's the la-. Yes. Well. I think I mean what is sustaining? It is. I think my good marriage. Is that just so embarrassed? Why would that? That's, that's I'll tell the chew them to such a shoutout to rub. Lots key right now. When Hannah went to college, I don't know if it was the first or second year. I don't even know if I've told him this. He knows this though. He's, you know, started this nonprofit turbine arts and does these wonderful improv shows and brings in local LA artists on Sunday nights and kind of just does this as his love and creative hobby on their website. Yes. Turbine arts collective. I think that's sure turbine arts. Oh my gosh. Find that you can find that you can guess. Anyway, it was like the first or second year, and there was this emptiness thing that hit or I don't know how to describe it. I just want mother. Join clubs you. I mean, an all I news starting at around three o'clock in the afternoon, probably the time when I used to pick her up at school or something. I just kind of settle on the couch. And you know, this just this just kind of a little bit blue and dreary, and I just had this impression in feeling of rob and not impression he'd be like, come on old, girl and Sunday nights. He would make me perform, you know, we would do improv shows and things like that, and it was just such a gift to kind of whether he meant to or not, like, you know, get me out, and you just, you know, there's life is still going on, so that, that was that's fun. And that continues to go on. Do you enjoy improv? I do I do. He's masterful at. I'm not just saying it because he's my husband. There are people that are just and he's teaching it. Now, does these he teaches introduction, and then two classes during the week for this particular technique, which is not based on comedy? It's based on you only do impr-, you only take from what you're getting from the other person. So you're never having to think up something funny, or come up with a funny line. And he's, he's really interested in that way of working. But yeah. And then the but in terms of what is sustaining or what my friendships, I think, really help a lot being. I've been a composer, I have made five records. I've just finished a sixth album that's been helpful. Yeah. I'm and center. Yes. Well, that's because it's like too much work to find other people. I'm like. I know I have done musical theater workshops and in fact, Cal State Long Beach did a production. I my last album before this was based on the ugly, duckling Hans Christian Andersen's, ugly duckling and Cal State Long Beach this woman as part of her thesis in her grad, pro agreed school. She directed a play of it, and it was beautiful. These kids were incredible. These college kids, performed it as theater piece, which was very in keeping at my performing arts days, bus and truck writing these theater Hughes. So yeah, yeah. But Tom fast that sustaining multi faster. So the Selke and the fishermen is I'm calling it sell key now but it is the store. It's the myth of the Selke in the fishermen, which is a very well known myth in the Scotland Ireland Celtic traditions, but you can also find it in South America, and in Iceland, and in all the cultures have this story, and I read it in this book by Clarisa pin, cola SD's, she wrote this wonderful book called women who run with the wolves. She's a union psychologist, but she took these archetypal stories the Selke being one of them ugly. Duckling was one of them the match girl Bluebeard, and she uses these stories from her union point of view to say, all women, these are rites of passage that all women will go through. And so I was reading it with Helen hunt. We were we had a little women's reading meditation group, and we read through the book and. I was so lit up by that story. And in fact, Helen had I told me about the story before we even read it in the book. So she had heard it beginning beginning and the, the themes of the Selke in the fishermen are about the ability to trust your intuition. And it's the fishermen steals, the pelt of Selke, and she has to live on land for seven years with the fishermen, but they actually do fall in love, and they have a child and after seven years, her skin starts to get very chapped and dry and she has to return to the ocean. And then it goes on from there and took two three years for me to write it mostly because I couldn't get past the abduction the stealing of the pelt that was just especially in light of the hashtag metoo and it just felt too. But once I made the adjustment and reread Clarisa Pinkel Esti story that it is actually a love that falling in. Love can be an abduction doesn't have. Be a literal objection that kind of pushed me through, and I'm super super excited about it, where we just finished mastering, and it will be available and I tunes probably in July August. So you wrote the music, I wrote everything. Yeah, I all my albums are my there. This is my hobby. My I feel like what is that? Oh, I think it's Meg Ryan in with tongues, where she goes my soul in. You've got mail when she's describing, but it is sort of my soul work is using thing going at. That's all you, especially we were listening to it. Together. It is you Lanc you very, it's really beautiful. My dad remembered that you performed at Ganga's Cohen. Oh, yeah. I used to do that. But then it started to feel like you're just having your friends. Come see you. And I was like, oh, I don't wanna make them come out and get Chinese food. Their favorite Chinese though, whenever you want haven't been in such a wild there. Is it still? Yeah. Yeah. What do you get there? What's like number one dish? The no name duck. The no name does. No named up man. I've never eaten. It was think my mother's any. Or is it just because why is it the no name duck? Because it's not a peaking duck. It's like a picking duck. That doesn't require twenty four hours notice when shoo or no, no, the heads these little dumpling. Oh, yes, I'm gonna have to go back. New York echoed, one of the very few places in L A. Do you see the joy that is just yes? At work. I like hearing that we didn't call them that we lived in New York. They were just eggrolls. Okay. Here's my other out here in the spring rolls. Yes, expect you to accept them now. That's unacceptable. Worthless. No, no, no, no. No. It's the most passionate. I've seen you a very. Agro you can feel your arteries hardening as you eat it, so unhealthy it's so completely unhealthy and wonderful, but it is it is what the Jewish people eat on Christmas. Damn straight. Here. That's right. I think was it soda. My are wait. Who's the who keagan? Justice Kagan said that when one of her confirmation hearings that she, she had Chinese food on Christmas, buddy else, or something, like there's a reason a Christmas story is real life. Oh, gosh. Hellum has been such a pleasure having you here. Thank you so much for having me. And I'm so excited after so you give off such a positive radiant. And oh thank you. I'm not a spiritual person in that one. Right. But he did sage the room before you get it. But other than that. No, I but you do you, you emanate thing. Calm and a sense of wellbeing. Thank you very much. Well, it's been such a joy to be here and Jesse my goodness, her skin. Have you ever seen anybody for you listeners? She has the most radiant skin. It's like I'm looking at a painting, I have lupus and a bunch of. Other auto musicians. So I'm really good with makeup. Oh my goodness. Full, I'm sorry, about the, that's okay. That's why I'm good at makeup. But I'll has an you know, we'll your make up his beautiful. Thank you. But I don't think it's makeup people out there that are listening, an inner light to that's coming through. Well, that's a family thing. That's definitely a family thing. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. Do you social media is? I mean it's I haven't into account, it's Helen are Slater, and I do, put things on there. Well, that's the way I even got, like ten is because Helen hunt was like, tagging me, and then people, I think felt sorry for me. They're like, all right. Nobody's telling our Slater. And I don't really post that much Hellen or Slater. He got I think, because someone had Helen slave happens. It happens. Yes. Not there. We are. And before you tell us all where people can find you and me we should be telling people that we have merged. We haven't been really crowing about that. Oh, we, we are very much the neurotic Jewish in us as we go, we've March, but don't worry about it. It's fine. Nobody did that we don't want to bother anyone with it. I murder for me. Yes. Says the same deal. Now, we do on public Maltin on movies, and we have everything their mugs you wanna wall hanging. Yes. One of everything. 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Zack Snyder's Insane Vision For the DCEU, And Jordan Peele's US Spoiler Discussion Part 2

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Zack Snyder's Insane Vision For the DCEU, And Jordan Peele's US Spoiler Discussion Part 2

"Hello, everyone and welcome to slash on daily for Tuesday, March twenty six two thousand nineteen today's episode. We're gonna talk about a little bit film news, and that we're gonna dive into uh spoilers for answer some of your emails in get Chris's reaction slash interpretation into my my insights from a second viewing of the film. This is slash editor chief Peter Surata in General Mattis podcast is slash managing editor Jacob Paul. Hello. Hello, senior writer, Ben Pearson. It was gone and writer, Christy Vangelis to a low, folks. Okay. So before we get into the uh spoiler discussion. First of all we were supposed to be regarding the water cooler today it was pushed from yesterday because of the apple event, but each is out sick. So in her honor were moving at to Wednesday. So I promise it will be the water cooler will be happening tomorrow. Let's talk about the one news story before we get to the us discussion and. Well, actually, it's a couple of news stories coming out of this screenings were happenings Exeter or was doing these screenings of his director's cuts of his fell GMs. And we learned more about his original vision for the DC EU. Chris would we know? Well. I don't know if this is what I would call his vision for the entire DC EU. But he basically spent this entire event defending his his various choices for Batman v. Superman, one of those of course, is the fact that Batman two straight up kills people in in these X night or DC EU, which as we all know is a current big. No, no. Although I will say Zach self-defense, it hasn't always been that way with the early pages of the Batman comics Batman had no problem killing people and even in the Tim Burton movies. You know, the like Batman returns, he straight up strap some dynamite to some guy and blows him up. So he has killed in the past. But in recent years, he he's adopted this, you know, no kill rule, and of course, than dole in movies made that more famous, but that's not the case in zek ciders world and during the conversation, he had a sort of a volt. Later tirade where? I guess I should read the actual quote because I can't do it Justice without with summarizing it. So here, here's the way. Can you read the closet in your impression of Zach Snyder? Saying I don't even know what he sounds like I'd never actually listened to him talk. Like, I just have read interviews. So it'd be an Batman voice. I don't want. No. Because my regular voice sounds enough. Like, the Batman voice. I'll just read it like that. Someone says to me bet man killed a guy. I'm like fuck really wake the fuck up. I guess that's what I'm saying. Once you've lost your virginity to this fucking movie. And then you come and say to me something about like, my superhero wouldn't do it. I'm like, are you serious? I'm like down the fucking road on that. That's. Then he continues. It's a cool point of view to be like, my here is are still innocent my heroes. Don't fucking lie to America. My here is didn't embezzle money from the corporations. My here didn't fucking commit any atrocities. That's cool, but you're living in a fucking dream world and quit. Kick up. What do you have to say? You have to be smart man to lead a totally dollar film. Production outs. Sounds so stupid. He sounds like he's a fifteen year old. I like another of his movies still feel bad for laughing. But he sounds so stupid like get rid of loud. It's just what any audit thing to say. Like army wonders if he's just like he so sick of talking about this. He just like snapped. But otherwise, I don't know what what else it could be like, I wonder if the people in that theater like all of them early accident or fans like if they were like encouraging this like did. I mean, like, I just picture like, you know, when you see a stand up and they're like bombing. And you just like you're like pulling on your collar and your face gets really read for them. Like, oh, no. That's what I picture being in the audience during this tirade was like just like a boy, I he should stop. This is variously. But I don't know maybe they were all like cheering him on for all I know it by the way, but you saying that that man has killed people in these movies. His bet will meal had like this huge asks like machine. Gun on the hood of it. Yeah. What is the purpose that it's not to knock down walls? Sure it is. It's so he can blow cars out of the way when he's chasing after the joker. Don't you? Remember, he flips all those cars with the guns. That's all. They're there for Peter. Okay. Actually interesting because the Batman no kill thin camp out because of all the restrictions. The government put in place against comics in the fifties. Following all these censorship outcries? So rather than you know, just have Batman suddenly stop murdering they built into the character. They doesn't murder in these days eve as grim as Batman comics are all these days, and they're really grim. It's such a cornerstone of the character, you know, even post Burton Burton. So it's just it's so strange to hear this still because it's been, you know, sixty years is Batman has not been a murderer burns limb person ever go out that path that it's so strange to me. Well, I mean, it seems like Saks netter was trying to create his whole other version of the D C. The universe. And he also made this other quote, this other comment about his original plans for that Martha scene. Chris it tell us about it. I I I know it's it's almost too hard to believe this. I if I need to hear it come out of your mouth, this is this is really wild. So I he went off a little spiel defending the infamous scene in Batman v superman where Batman is seconds away. From just straight up murdering superman and superman, you know, asks Batman to save Martha which is his mother and batmans mother, of course, was also named Marsha. You know, there's Martha Kent that Superman's mom, and there's Martha Wayne, that's batmans. Bob and superman saying that makes Batman realize like oh, superman has a family, and blah, blah, blah. I've been wrong this whole time. That's an okay idea in theory. But the execution is really bad, and we're all still laughing about it. So during the same event Zack Snyder, I he defended that. Apparently, he revealed that there was originally a much crazier idea about this where it turns out that after Martha Wayne got shot in crime alley which you know, is of course, the famous Batman origin story where his parents get gunned down batmans dead died, but Bartha Wayne survived and she was put in the witness protection program in Kansas at which point she became Martha Kent under assumed identity. And then, you know, she found superman in the field or whatever after he crashed earth and raised him as her son. So there's going to be this twist. Where after superman reveals his mother is named Martha Batman learns that they're like a brothers, essentially, they have the same mother. And boy, I wish he had done that because that would have been just even more crazy, and I would love to see the reaction to that. Oh my God. The outrage would've been insane. There's so much wrong with. This. Why wouldn't Martha Wayne leaf traumatize son alone be raised by the Butler? Why would why why I mean, you know, to to give Zach sired the doubt, we don't know the whole thing because we don't have the script. Maybe in this version of the story. She thought her son was dead. I don't know why they would put her at the police protection program and not tell her son was alive. I don't know. I'm trying to be nice wouldn't hear about Bruce, Wayne from you know. You know this. That's true. Maybe she has amnesia. That's always a possibility. Like the the getting shot destroyed her memory. Then you've been quiet during all this insanity. Like any thoughts on this? I love this Martha idea so much because it is so out there. And I I would this is one of those things that would be a legendary moment in comic book movie history. We would still be talking about this and and having huge arguments over it. And I kind of love the idea of like, so, you know, sack Snyder as as a misguided as he can be sometimes this reminds me a little bit of like the old superman fly by concept where it's just like it changes. What we know your character talking about the script that Jj Abrams road that eventually like the big third act reveal was that lex Luther was also from krypton. Yes. Yes. And so, you know, something like that would change what we know so fundamentally about these characters that I would find it really really interesting. You know? Say what you will about it. But the way that Snyder could've used this twist to play with the dynamic between Batman and superman would have been something that we've never seen before. And I, you know in a world where we're seeing a lot of sort of literal adaptations of stuff in like, sometimes we sort of feel like we know what the movie is going to be before it even comes out something like that would have certainly like flipped the table on on what we know about that man and superman, so I kind of wish he would have done that. But yeah, I I guess alas. It was not to be Jacob say what you will about the logic of this idea. But at least it would be a more reasonable moment than them bonding over the fact that their mothers are both named the same name. This is why you don't take a piece accomplished trivia and make into a large plot point in two hundred million dollar movie. It's bad from the outset. Nothing here works and all that just makes me very sad. Okay. We have a lot of stuff to talk about jerk appeals us if you have not seen journey pills us, go. See it. I think we can all agree that something that you should see in the theater we recorded in episode on Friday spoiler discussion, where Jakopin Ben in Brad all outlined their interpretations of the movie, go listen to that. It's a I think it's one of our best episodes, but someone who was not on that po-. So if you're still listening to you haven't seen us, this is your fault. You've been warned there's massive spoilers coming up. But that said someone who wasn't on that podcast was Chris Chris had not seen the movie at that point. Chris you have now seen the movie. What did you think? I loved it. I love us seeing us felt like, you know, a confirmation of like everything everyone said about Jordan Peele as a filmmaker like after after get out came out, and it was so fantastic. And there was the sense. Like, oh, how's he gonna follow this up? And this is like proof that he really is this really fresh exciting voice in horror, like even though he's doesn't have the same style as John carpenter at all like watching this. It was like, oh, this is like the new John carpenter. This is someone who's going to specialize in horror and take things that are familiar with it. But also work their own sort of, you know. Deep interpersonal stuff into it. And that's so exciting, especially in in the horror, all because there are so many horror filmmakers who are just, you know, they're they're in it for a cheap scare and there's nothing wrong with that. I I have fun watching, you know, har- movies that are just cheap scare movies. But anytime a hard movie comes along. That's like really trying to do more is trying to you know, have the layers and trying to be deeper and trying to you know, go beyond just jump scares. I get so so excited because it's so rare, and I I really hope he sticks with genre. I mean, I'll happily watch whatever he does next. But I hope he stays in the horror genre for a little bit more. Because it, you know, it could really use his voice. Some really curious. I'm sure you've probably heard by now Jacob in Ben's interpretations of the ending of this film in what the whatever thing represents. I'm wondering what your your thoughts are on it. This is one of those things where I don't think there's any one correct interpretation. And it's this is one of those things where I almost feel on qualified to even take a guess without seeing it like two or three it's through the eyes of the beholder. Like, this is I think that's what Jordan kill wants is. He wants people to get out of it. What they will dude. I mean, right. I mean, you know, what I love about this movie is there's there's two ways of look at it one is there's this like almost spill Burgi and approach where it's very entertaining. You know, it's funny. There's these big set pieces, and it's very easy for quote, unquote, general audiences to just you know, watch and consume and walk out of the theater near think about again. But at the same time, there's this whole extra layer underneath where you know. There's there's a cerebral angle. And there's a metaphorical angle, you know, where people are are literally fighting with themselves and. You know, this whole, you know, I it seems like really on the nose, but you know, us is U S. And it's this whole commentary on where America is right now in this country, and people just people living there people who think they're living their best possible lives, but they're really not. They're they're in this sort of like. You know, the shadow of themselves that that isn't you know, we aren't who we really think we are. But at the same time where we are too. There's this quote from Kurt Vonnegut. That's he says, you know, we are who we who we pretend to be. So we should be careful who we pretend to be. And I thought of that at very last scene where you know, she realizes that. She was. Feel Iago's character realized that she was actually the the the person from the she was the tethered from the basement, it's it's there's just so much going on. And you could look at it. As like, oh, it's a neat twist. But you could also look at it as this thing that casting tire movie in this whole other light. And what I love about. That twist is if you think about it, it's not cheap. It's not just tacked on you, go back and look at how lupita on the character reacts to the tethered when they show up. She has this almost sympathy for them that the other characters do not like there's a part where she stops the car, and she she reaches out to the other her in her son like she's trying to reason with him where you the the other characters wouldn't be doing that. And at the same time. There's also we get this this glimpse of this savagery of her character Tillich, which he's defending people. She, you know, kinda goes nuts, and these are all these really subtle hints that Jordan pill is dropping to to to bring. About that that Walker of a twist at the end. Yeah. Well, said I saw the film. I second time. I would saw a C with Kibera. I in a, you know, a normal theater with the general audience, not like my, you know, press screening, and I took a bunch of notes that wanted to relate these notes you guys to see if you had any thoughts on this. First of all in that flashback in the beginning with pitas dad is playing whack a mole a game about hitting under round creatures and keeping them underground. He's strangely. Only hitting one whole. I'm not sure if that will like what the choices there does that say anything Jacob that like he's not going after all the moles. He just going after one whole I'm not so sure if I would read too much into the one whole thing, but I it whole whack-a-mole connection. So that flew over my head for sure, and that's just some really clever foreshadowing, so I I really appreciate that. Yeah. His her daughter Zora is wearing this green hoodie that says the word T H O. I don't know how you pronounce that. But apparently, it's a Vietnamese word that means rabbit. So I mean rabbits are all over her and her kids life's like she has that stuffed animal. And so I mean, I I don't think there's an that's just kind of foreshadowing I think I wanted to ask you guys there in that opening sequence. She is eating a candy apple on a stick. Right. And she finds. That fun house, and you know, starts raining, and she drops the candy apple immi- reading too much into this that there there might be something about the garden e garden of Eden here with the apple. I don't think there are any accidents here the idea that he's he apple right before she has the true knowledge of what America is literally dropped on her. I it feels very intentional. I'm trying to understand more about the underground. We see it in that last fight in the underground. There is a classroom with desks in chalkboard. And there's like bloody handprints underneath the chalkboard. What what is this class from use for? Anybody have any ideas, my guests in please jump in anybody at a time is that this is where the former researchers contest or maybe trying to train all the other how to be human how to maybe replaced people above them or better replicate them, and when it was abandoned all they had left with a bunch of empty classrooms, which you know, maybe here's a further further commentary there. We're talking about you know, classrooms. Not being used also loaded imagery. Yeah. Chris I'm curious. What did you make of the the difference between the above ground and the the below ground areas? Did you were you caught up at all in the like, the the literal 'isms, and the the the reality of that story underneath like did you have any questions about how that world worked? I so I I like I actually love how vague is. I think the only thing I actually didn't like in the movie. Is when he stops the whole thing to have, you know, the tethered version of the pidonia go, I guess, it's actually the real version, you know, give that whole story about who they are. And where they came from like, I honestly wish that wasn't in it at all. I would rather. There was like literally no attempt at explanation because I think that's more exciting to me. That's that's bore shrinkage. That's more surreal that's more with you. I feel like giving the explanation opens up those those like, quote, unquote, pothole questions that people have like the like without that conversation. It leaves things just way more open to interpretation right? And at the same time. You can also say like who's to say that story that characterised telling his even true like there's nothing to back that up. We just have her word for it. And as is clear she's been driven kind of insane from living underground for so many years. So there's no there's no telling that that story. She's. Telling is even true, which would actually be an easy way to say. Like, you know, sure, this doesn't make sense. But it doesn't have to because you know, why are we taking this woman's word for it? Anyway. Yeah. Some other things I noticed the funhouse, which by the way, the the subtitle of analysis find yourself, which I think is kind of funny. The the big storm causes her to go into the fun house and the power goes out. And this is something I didn't notice in my first viewing this film. The power goes out which causes the escalator to stop which is allows the tethered who would that be Adelaide or read to come up to keep it clean. We'll just call the version who ends if above ground Adelaide version ends up blow ground, reg, keep it clean. Yeah. So that that allows Adelaide to escape and not have to just, you know, run up and the wrong way of an escalator, which I was something. I didn't even think about the first feeling. You know, we talked about eleven eleven that's on that Jeremiah eleven eleven sign. I think we Jacob. You mentioned it was on the clock. My second viewing. I noticed that. There was a lot more eleven eleven in the movie they're watching a baseball game on TV. And it was tied eleven eleven the she wins a her dad wintry thriller t shirt, and that is a prize number eleven and the last shot in the movie shows ambulance going into the mountains in on the top of the ambulance is the number eleven eleven so that is definitely something German peel quit all over the movie. Yeah. And somebody in the reader Email has a really fascinating observation about eleven. I can't wait for us to get into that. Would you like to read that one right now? Oh, you want to hit the show Chopin? And we'll go back through I note. This is Stephen k writing in directly to respond to abedin's reading of the scene where he. Quoted the bible verse. And he wants to add a little bit more context. Bible. Verse is unique context understand the Jeremiah verse we've abandoned progress in reverted back to the since of our forefathers capitalism is becoming feudalism and justices swing back towards the early. Twentieth. Century might take Trump is a symptom. Not the subject, of course, the bible verse was about chaos and the great punishment coming and the idea of the Jeremiah verse be this. She being about, you know, Old Testament God rearing up to strike down on society for banning his ways. Whereas this is a movie where taking place in America. That is sliding from democracy when a great tragedy and chaos strikes. It it really feeds into bends reading the film in a way that I found incredibly chilling in various observation from Stephen here. Yeah. That was nice too. Because it got me to go back and read even more of the jeremiad section of the bible because I just read like the immediate versus sort of book ending. An eleven eleven and I went back and looked a little bit further back, and I guess it's Jeremiah eleven six it's talking about how the Lord is telling somebody listening to the terms of this covenant and followed them from the time. I brought your ancestors up from Egypt until today, I warned them again. And again saying obey me, but they didn't let listen or pay attention. Instead, they followed the stubbornness of their evil hearts. I thought that that actually sort of read into or sort of a plate into Jacob's read a little bit as well. With like, the, you know, the idea of. Of the tethered representing Americans who just sort of turn a blind eye to a lot of this stuff a lot of these issues, and and you know, following ju just putting your head down and not listening and paying attention. When the answer is presented to you. I don't know there's a lot going on with this movie. So I feel like yet that there's a ton to be read into pretty much every aspect of it though. I re watching this movie with both viewer interpretations in my head. I did notice a couple of things like there is the whole argument. The family is having the argument over, you know, who had the highest kill count in the family, which to me seems like the most American argument ever going to do a Benz point. And that that really like, I think that's the one of the biggest thing that that ties into what Brad was talking about on Friday's episode where you're getting caught up in these little details that don't matter when there's a much bigger problem right there on the surface. For for everybody to deal with. But it's these distractions that that ultimately can be our undoing yet. I sort of throw something out there in that ties into the whole. America. And forgotten American pass thing is I actually haven't seen a lot of people pointed this out, I don't know if they didn't catch it or not or what? But at the beginning when she goes into the fun house. It has this like data of American thing. I think it's called vision quest and there's like this caricature of a native American outside. But then when she comes back in the present it's been turned into lake Merlin's, far it's like this fantasy thing. And I think that ties into the whole push American angle tour. It's like, you know, just burying this thing for the past and turning into something not not even real like, the wizards and magical forest and stuff like that. I did not notice that that's a good catch. Another thing. I noticed was when they were at their friend's house in Adelaide was arguing that they should leave to Mexico. The husband her husband insists that they they're in the safest point a place on the planet or something like that. Which also seems to me. Going towards spends kind of interpretation of this whole thing. It seems like a very American thing to say one other thing I noticed I I did notice this is the first time around, but I I don't think I took any meaning into this. But the opening of the text of the film where shocking about the underground tunnels ends with the line. This says like many have no known purpose. And then the rest of the text disappears leaving just that one line. I think if you read that one line that that that also is something, you know, obviously that speaks on different levels to the the themes of those film, which I thought was kind of interesting 'cause you know, obviously, it's not just talking about the tunnels in hope people view a certain segment society having no purpose not being useful to the machine of America. Not being a player, it'd be ground up in use it. Yeah. That's really chilling. We actually take in that. Context. Yeah. One other thing. I did notice the second time around actually, no, I didn't notice this one of my friends cleaning set pointed out that red is the only one of the, tether who can talk, and that's kind of cool because that's a very good clue into the twist of this film in even Adelaide toes. Elizabeth Moss's character on the beach that quote, I'm not good at talking. So I mean, it's just like little hints. But I think that's kind of fun. The oh, the other Chris, I'm sure you noticed this one this one was kind of like a a horror Easter egg. But the dad mentioned on the Santa Cruz boardwalk than a movie is being filmed nearby and tells her to like, maybe she could be an extra in the scene is being is taking place in one thousand nine hundred six and at the time. The lost boys was being filmed on Santa Cruz boardwalk. Yes. I did. I did actually catch that. And I thought that was fun. Yeah. One of the thing. I didn't notice first time round is. I did I was. Aware that the tethered all wear those gloves by wasn't aware that they were wearing gloves on their right hand. Just like Michael Jackson. Just, you know, the the person who is on the shirt that barade-, I guess. One. Yeah. Yeah. They're all wearing red jumpsuits like Michael Jackson famously did in many of his that is that is well did not figure that out. But one last thing Adelaide smile at the end of the movie where she looks over to her son who's sitting in the passenger seat. And she smiles, Chris, I think you mentioned just a few minutes ago that that was her realization, or I I've heard many people say that that's her realizing, and I'm wondering what do you guys think like is that her realizing or is that what does that smile? Meet. I mean, it has to be her realizing just by the nature of film editing. The way Jordan Peele cuts. It is that you know, it's her face and then it cuts to the flash bag and then it cuts back to her. And if you know if it wasn't supposed to be that, then it would imply Jordan Peele doesn't understand editing, and that's true. So I do think it's her realizing whether or not that means she's just like, suddenly, you know, evil now, I don't think it's implying. That I think it's more like she's just realizing who she really is. And just being okay with it now because she in the end, she won, you know, she's still got away with it. I disagree with Chris here. I feel that smile is victorious smile. It's are realizing that she's going away with it. But it's it's also her getting away with the having known the entire time. I mean, she she she's not talking. We see her going through therapy learning how to talk again, and how to learn how to essentially be a fully functioning above ground, human, go back and rewatch all the seems earlier in the movie. Like, of course, I've always wanted. So please, correct me Peter the scenes play out in a way that makes total sense of her to have known everything, of course, can keep a secret, but the seams between Adelaide and red play very much like a a woman who's extremely guilty and afraid that her guilds Cup with her as opposed to woman, who's just terrified and reds actions are very much that of a woman scorned. Out for revenge. So I really feel like the final reveal isn't just a twist on the face of oh, she's been telling you the whole time. But the reveal that everything we've seen her do her terror was not born out of just being, you know, randomly assaulted, but Tara out of knowing the her past caught up with her. This is really interesting because I find it I land right in between both of you. I feel like she had like a sub-conscious knowledge. Right. Denser. Really? She does mention early in the film that she remembers this encounter with an someone that looked like her in that fun house. So she at least remembers that moment. See I I read it. I read the whole movie and Jacobs ideas. Now, very intriguing to me. But I I read it as you know, it was like an a repressed memory. You know, it's clear she's been through therapy because we see her at a therapist's office. And there's the whole, you know, learning to dance thing. And you know, I always took it as to be like a therapist or something along that line. Line convinced her that, you know, these thoughts were delusions are things that were just in her head, and she said repressed them over time, and this huge traumatic experience through the movie triggers, the real memory, and that at the very end she's finally realizes what she's been repressing the whole time. That's how I interpreted yet Jacobs ideas, certainly is interesting. And now I wanna go back and rewatch it even more. I've also seen some people read this moment as the sun realizing that the there's you know, the mother has is not who she heard what she seems. I've I've seen someone actually suggests that the sun is one of the tethered to which I don't buy, but I'll even work. Well, they point out the fact that, you know, the the one we think is the tethered version half his mouth is burned off. So that would explain why he can't talk. But again, I don't know how. How that would even make sense, you know, so I don't know the only thing I think is there's that one scene where the sun goes off. And he spots the the homeless guy on the beach in that it cuts away. But and then the the he comes back he comes running back. But we don't see what happened to him between the moment. He sees that homeless guy on the beach, and like maybe that. Oh, but then I don't know like when he would get his mouth Burnley. He would have to have it really quick is that it seems like it's in the span of like the same day. So I don't know. I don't think that makes much sense. But I have seen people suggest that I don't buy that at all. By do think that this ties you have been to justed, which is if rabbits are symbols for ideas, and the sun is, you know, literally, actually in the film carrying a rabbit, aka new idea he could idea represented him having the newfound knowledge of what his mother is. You know, we have a lot more questions on the DACA here. We've already were already thirty three minutes in. So you know, I'm gonna make the executive decision here. We're gonna get to one more question. We're gonna get to one more Email from the the mailbag wall hold these in. Hopefully, you know, each can join us next time and tell her talk about some of her interpretations this movie not drag out off into a three episode. You know, do it. That's what I love about it. Yeah. Okay. Kevin writes in that the frisbee the frisbee lands on the the what does that blanket or towel? And it lands perfectly on the towel. He hear us that the frisbee represents tethered at Adelaide taking original Adelaide's place in the living with the original. Hence the red frisbee. Tethered Adelaide is covering the blue circle. Original adelaide. In being surrounded by other blue circles with her pretending to fit in her removing the frisbee is her her denying who she is in that she should belong above. What do you guys? Think of that interpretation is this too much of a read like this is one of the few things in the movie that I'm not sure how it connects to everything like, I know one of the characters mentions like moments a coincidence. That's her character. Character is the one who says since we've been up here. I've been noticing more and more coincidences, and that gave me a little pause might think back on it too. Because other than Ted frisbee thing. I can't really eleven eleven. I can't think of any other coincidences she's talking about. So that was one thing. I really didn't quite get. There's a really amazing video that Vanity Fair made when get out was invaders where it was the gave. Jordan Peele list of fan theories from red at discussing moments from get out and some of them he shot down saying. Nope. It's not true. Some he openly encouraged hang up. This was totally intentional wonder where he jokingly said. Oh, yeah. I totally thought of that. That was totally intentionally up. Louise, clearly really thought about it wanted to get this frisbee moment is one of those. Yeah, I'm I'm wondering there's some intense stuff that we we have gotten in our Email. We will get to it. But there's one final thing. I want to bring out just because I want to see what you guys think because as podcast. So what thing I thought was really interesting is this movie and the movie climax beginning the same exact way where there's a shot of TV and the TV is surrounded by these VHS tapes in the VHS tapes are movies that clearly influenced the movie were about to see like, for instance, climax you can see the movie possession, which is a huge influence on that. And this movie it has the. Same thing. I the I spotted like showed there and shut is a movie about creatures living underground, and I'm just wondering if any of you picked up on those other tapes, the only other one I know it was the right stuff. I don't know how that fits in. Because that's a movie about, you know, the space program all wear jumpsuits. So I don't know what what else that's doing there. But I'm wondering if anyone else picked up on that. And what the other titles were I noticed the same openings here. Because literally, Chris, right? The both moves with extent ac- close ups of a TV show to my VHS tapes and the right stuff clicked to me as the most American movie imaginable, the one that's how Americans when we when we worked together achieve the impossible right next to me about cannibalistic human underground dwellers. So just. And just really great contrast. There were a couple of others to there's the goonies. I mean, and I guess, you know, there's a line in there in the speech. That's it's our time. Now, our time up there that I think is kind of relevant in that. There was the man with two brains. That's like a Steve Martin comedy. I don't really I've never seen that. So I'm not sure I guess because there's two event what I really want to see this again, like take notes on like every single scene. I wish her on Blu Ray, just like like pause it and stuff the the other one that's on. There is a nightmare on elm street. So that's what alone. Into so much craven influence, Wes Craven's all over this movie. And so I just make sense as a tonal influence yet. But I want to hear more of your Email. So if you have some interesting theories or noticed something that we did not send them to us at Peter at Sasha dot com. That's Peter 'social dot com, and we hopefully, we'll get all get all these emails, you know, when there's a slow news day, and we can, you know, geek out more of a spoilers. We really enjoyed this movie. Hopefully, you guys are enjoying us talking about it. You can find you know, will link to that Jordan Peele video the one that you mentioned Jakup from Vanity Fair in the show notes. 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Superman Part 1: It's a Bird, It's a Plane - Character Corner #85

"Welcome back to the care to corner podcast with your host. Chris and deepen here and folks here we promised in August. We still got one more day. So we're GonNa do that we promised the first part of our two part Superman series. We are going to jump right into that will actually before we jump right into that we did want to take some time to kind of address the tragic loss of Chebet Bozeman that really felt like it came out of nowhere. Yeah this one. This one definitely hits different. We've been losing people left and right I mean and I mean, even with Kobe, this is a little bit because the Kobe won was earlier this year you know and came out of nowhere the helicopter crash on. But this one feels different because like even with Kobi's he has so much more to give and live. But like he retired from the NBA right so it's like he's going onto the next phase of his career like tablets like. Felt like it was the height right and so for me, I feel the opposite of those two. For me with Kobe felt so sudden. A no one. saw that comment If, I look through this Lynn's of the knowledge we have now of Chadwick's disease. It gives me a greater appreciation for the decisions. It makes his decision so much deliberate. Oh absolutely. And while the loss was tragic because it was so sudden this is a southern for us But for him, he had the opportunity to embraces except what it meant and still put forward in the way that he chose to do so and is Liz, Israel choices in products US invested in the things he said publicly they all carry so much more weight because he knew this was coming even if we didn't and he never owed us anything I want to make that very clear I've said this on many by. As Much Chris I. Don't actually Oh you anything as far as who actually are. They don't know anything L. Right. Adult. And the fact that. He. Chose to work. Shows how much he knew he was aware of the impact is work at. Diane and I think that's the thing. Right? There's a lot of Taco bell. You know don't romanticize his working through the pain because all the people and I get that right and where this is where the online P. Everybody's got to have their own thing to processes. But the way I to look at it is especially when you go like you said, if you go back and look the things he did if you look at like there's a video of him talking about him going and meet kids who had cancer. And in that video, I remember it because like the pita and deny our basic comforting him in there and it hit someone's different. Now 'cause you realize going through it to right and when you realize that he's done all this work, he was doing all this stuff because he knew how much importance was like. I was saying like. He he really wasn't legend not just on the screen but office green in that short amount of time like this is someone that. You don't have to think of you want them really make caveats for Oh, well, you know he was a good actor buddy also kind of person to this or he did it must be about this. No Keys Chebet Bozeman was so sad to say that speaks to him in the past tense. Was One of the few Hollywood. Insiders. You see in Hollywood actors or people in that industry. That achieved that level of national amount of time. Who lived there apps like he absolutely live the way that that person you see on screen is that person? He wasn't really I actually interviewed him and like I interviewed him for. Marshall. Rain like a few years ago and he was attentive like the he he talked about that role in the same way you can talk about any other role he did like and he was that person you know and. I think that is something that he was outspoken about the industry about diversity inclusion in the work of that and and what it meant for the roles he was doing not just by all of them and like. Why is why he made a child? Is why he was to Challah because that was him i. think that something that you spoke to their in speaks Kinda. The gravity of people talk about him is because Of his knowledge of his own personal disease. He didn't have the. The. The detached from his word. You know some people say why didn't realize the impact of what I was doing until know I can look back on it. He was forced to live in the now. He was forced to recognize reconciling in reckon with the impact of his works. And You hear the stories about him on set and the things he would say he will in the fact that he wouldn't hold his Tom and is that braver? Yes but. Is it. Your light now. Because, he knew that there wouldn't be the. Last set for him. Right there was no time to make it. Than anyone else knew his last day on set was going to be here before we knew it and so you had to. Maximize every minute he had and that's He took something bad. And owned it and made it great. Make things right from it, and there's not much can say better by human man right. I mean, it was funny to mean is weird how when we pick these care to corners? The always into being very relevant to the time and we randomly picked Superman. But somehow in the relevant because in this first episode, we're going to really be talking about like the concept remember and get them the. Earlier stuff but we're hitting like what were meant meant, and also you know it reminds me thinking about Bozeman, his Chalamet and and just that generational. Gap that he that he crossed with all of that like obviously there was a cage right? The Kid who saw the black he'd you saw themselves to Challah who dressed up and obviously I've been seeing all these stories of people but we also know White Kid, right why quite him and we're like dressing child I want to be black. Panther. That too right there the adults are age right in our age group who all like Holy Shit they did it. And we turn him into ourselves right? Like we were. We were just like the kid next we were sitting in the theaters watching the kids younger than US get excited and we're getting excited for them and for what we're seeing as well. But then there was older generation to the people that brought their their parents, their grandparents to see. Black Panther, and looked at Chadwick Bozeman and connect with him so much right. Connect with the character didn't realize lightweight lit they lifted destruction black man you know take this role with the dark skinned black women and own this and do this, and then he did all that. And that's just by panther that doesn't get into other stuff. He did with Jack James Brown. Jackie Robinson. Thurgood. Marshall. Like this. When you look at in in that short period of time started before he got diagnosed with cancer but like in that period of time what he did and the impact he did on there like it is it's it's an incredible thing that I don't know if if we'll ever see a repeat anytime soon and it, it gives me. Some solace that you know personally selfishly. That he was able, you know when he when he left his world that. He knew how much of impacted made right like he gets to see. What all his roles not just Black Panther. Meant to everyone who saw them in there right and I think that that is. What he did in and and what it means. is going. And I'M NOT GONNA. you're right because the other roles are so important but. There is a senior importance Black Panther. Yes and you look at. The movies next. Chengchi like those movies don't have by panther the guy who's playing him even came out and said it's like. Directly, I would not have this role of enough for chat with Bozeman and what he did with my panther. The weirdest serendipity that this is not that we were doing this month is that we delayed this thing twice. Crate. That we exit, this should have been recorded it should have been recorded. It was we were literally we literally, we're going to record this on Wednesday with the mail bag. Then we decided I don't know let's something we're tired. We were like it's going to be long wait you know we were going to shitting on. DC. So we were like, let's let's let's wait and so yeah, and so now it gives a chance to talk about this and and again like. I'm not trying to I understand 'cause you know obviously there's the the thing that screens in some other people who would are going to stop. This is right. I is definitely hard to think about. You know is revenue when he's gone right in to me, it's. The thought they kind of go to what's next for that but not because of I'm being selfish. But because like we've talked about this before like. He was going to be. It's hard to imagine MC without him. There being centered in it not selfishly because like he deserved that honor, right? No was the story they told right already hold and he was going to be at the center of and. It feels so wrong that he's not going to be there but then I have to remind myself like but then he was he got to tell he was in four four different movies and touches the Gauntlet in game do this really. Every judge, the garden last sprint, and in game. got. Next for Marvel right exists were Hawkeye to Panther Spiderman Captain Marvel. That, was it. They were letting you know what was next and you bake kitchen they'll tell you it's GonNa. Come right and yes in an no those people who are doing that open speculation the worst in the world. Yes. The worst people nor. But There's the characters Gornja remain centered I believe. Yes. Is Inexorably tied to the storytelling, but the fact that. But even having the fact that change she's on the slate and being filmed, he got his legacy play out some right and he won't see the full impact in the now does this. Is a tragedy but. I'm glad that. Wasn't in vain. Yet, and that's the key thing that he knew that it wasn't because sometimes when when this happened is that thing that we don't appreciate somebody until they're gone and I'm I'm very grateful and I hope that his family's rifle that. All of us as if you think of almost had extended family, then extended pieces of him also appreciate him I. I've seen some people kind of commenting on the people that were kind of mean about that image they came out and things like that and and well I get it. Yeah. People should be way nicer. You don't know somebody somebody's going through but I choose to remember the fact that the majority of people didn't do that. The majority of people recognize that Chabrol's them to him to them. He was to Challah. He was the king of all Kanda and even after side of that role that's what he was right in that. He knew seeing somebody talk about how He would never tire doing condo salute right to him. That was he's always going to do that. That's a salute side. It's. What it is. And so I'm it's. I'm glad. I'm glad at least got. To see the appreciation for that and the recognition for that, and this isn't one of those things that somebody is gone and now the sudden we want to give them their their props, I'm appreciative that with all his roles even with the movie that weren't good everybody goes well, maybe Marsha wasn't good but lake traffic both and played that hallowed. Right like I appreciate the fact that I, always come out there. Is it it? I did not think On the thirtieth of August twenty twenty that we would be eulogizing Chowk Bozeman. but here we are and again mixing to here. But I think it's fair to say and it's kind of goes to what we're saying before is every seconds the gift. And I think it's we really have to. Make sure that we appreciate those Louis we have around us whether that's your local family with that the people you know like you got to appreciate them. And let them know you appreciate them. Man This was a hard one ally. I didn't WanNa do shit yesterday. You know since I've found it it this. This is one and you can tell the impact of it because of what everybody went through has been going through. Last this entire weekend right I know ABC is going to be playing all Black Panther tonight, and then they're going to have a special ABC News report on them. That's how big this is. Right this is. You know it's it's one of those things that you know it. Out The same because obviously Christopher Reeves was around a lot longer but it kinda reminds me of that like there's been other time. We've we've Lost Star and you don't get something like. It doesn't feel like this impactful. It said people feel some kind of way but it Kinda like like it feels like everyone realizes that losing bozeman was it feels like Princeton me. Yeah. Yeah, the world's sovereign, prince died. And that's what happened here. For the world. Stopped skipped tonight and because I didn't have my phone I'll watch TV. and. Said Doug on twitter I was like Oh, not gonNA see on twitter. and Swab Yeah. So man r.i.p Tag Bozeman so To get that out there because it's been been weighing on me. It was to the point where I was like almost didn't WanNa do shows. And I came to some the other reviews like so you might be anybody listen this remember you might be delayed on some premium stuff just because like, yeah, Friday kinda was Kinda hard for me to do anything after Friday's news. but we're GONNA. Try to get some tough out. We're definitely doing this obviously and then we're GonNa do I have. An insanely check coming out today as well. So. But I don't know how feel after I do both of those things I might be drained so. I this is one of those ones that they take yourself not just physically but also mentally line twenty twenty has been rough and exhausting for everyone but particularly black people. So take care of yourself folks dead serious. So All right. got that out of the way. and. That's something that I is going to keep coming up. I. Don't know when the next time I WANNA bypass. I know they're playing I I can't do it. So I don't know I I'm sorry I understand the sentiment I can't. Only reason why is different than prints for me like when Prince died I least start playing music I can't watch any like I have a poster I was trying to get framed. Mondo. Poster that was the bypass. Panther poster and I'm like I. Don't know if I can hang that right now I, don't know about that. So. All, right. Let's get into. We're here to talk about. My last podcast in this house. Last. Ego My last character corner in this house and it's the big. Guy. The number. One Guy. The character that. Honestly started at all right and we've covered a little bit about this. We've covered around Superman a lot. We did super boy we I mean we we literally than everybody else but. We didn't sewer boy. We did LEX Luther we did. The history comics obviously if you're starting with the history calming you and especially you get into the Golden, you can't. You can't not talk about. Superman. You know because. He's he's the guy. He's the character that kind of started off. The first part of this is going to focus more on the history and context ran. And Not really dig into stories too much because I mean, we're going to when we get into the eighties. Won't dig into the stores and it's a lot we will. You will hear in the podcast. Yes but it's it's the golden a character right but also village you have to talk about the history of his golden age stuff maybe not the stories themselves but what it meant at that time. Because that and one informs your character. To. Later also informs how DC fucks up with the character later on Oh, I've never been angry about the Movies that I am. The happiness is because I'm going to talk about some men for however long the happiness is there behind that boiling rage, right but. You know what? Honestly after this I wanNA politics all still. I still I still employed. That's fine. It's like is a movie in it's not a superman movie. I'll give you that I can give you that. I can give you that back character was not superman. Good God. Damn. Well you know what it is in we'll get more into this. As we go through this but I think what it is is an comes back. All always comes back to the idea. that. There's not a good deed never has had never had a through line. To. Win they started. You know to to their beginning and they've always tried to. Feels like it almost feels like DC? Characters. They're always trying to figure out how. How they can sell comic more than tell the story. And in and I think that when you do that, you start focusing on the wrong things with the character and you kind of get away from the core of the character. And that's you know when you look at Mandeville happens here you get somebody like Zach senator who really is just not good at this. And took all the wrong lessons. From certain things and it's is it would just lead to look. But. Yes. Superman's arguably the first guy I. I mean there are other. Some people will say there's other cares it from the pre golden that might be have some of those archetypes but to us, it's he he has all of them. You know when I say I need facial tissue I. Don't say I you the Kleenex whatever the brain is that souverain is he's the brand. superheroes. They think Superman I right. He's also one of the few characters survived the decline the Golden. Age. Income. Right into the the silver age. Of One of the characters that DC as and we'll go through more of this later on when the DC has that in the region for this that doesn't Need need a restart in the in the. Silver Age right I. Want to say it's just Batman in Superman like that. Yes. We went to. Already we definitely know that there's a whole different green lantern, different flash, all these things superman and Batman are the ones that carryover. Mainly because how you can tell those stories and we'll get into like how they did it later on. Action Comics into a man for the two longest running appear articles in history. been running since nineteen, thirty, eight, and nineteen, thirty, nine. That is insane. It's crazy. Isn't saying. Now obviously renumbered and things like that but named and still running been running since then. That is has absolutely insane. Like you were saying. You were. Originally this was a weird day removed from DC Sangam but we're a few days away from. DC Phantom. You can listen to our mailbags talk about. How he felt about that kind of stuff but We're we're. We're not big fantasies management. We love the characters, not what they do with them, and I think that gets traced all the way back to the beginning. I think about it superman is an accidental hit for. Natural. Ally publications later become. And once it became a hit they became a scam this always happens and it's not just a warner brothers thing or DC or of these corporations everybody does this accidental hit and trying to figure out what how the fuck can we keep it going on Sometimes. It works fast and furious series right now I'm going to get. Fast Theory series and one hundred. Fascinating Series Wheelchair edition they're gonNA be in the wheelchairs runner it's going to be there for you. I'm here for it. I'M GONNA watch watching right. You know it's like you get that actually hit and then you're like Oh we can't just let it go. Can we in and in a way I'm glad they didn't superman but it also you start seeing some of the struggles of and the fights of between like how do we? Keep. Keep the care to relevant. So Created in June nineteen thirty thirty eight Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel. To Jewish men I think it's important to to note that and know that you know you had to Jewish men. Create this character and the world that we. We were living. You know that's one year. Now. While there's one year before World War Two officially started. Thinking about it, you know I, think this is one of the things that. History does not do justice for is's. People knew who the Fuck Hitler was before. To starting right He was making all kinds of news and he was very very Semitic and the things that were happening to the Jews in Germany. Started long before World War Two started in September nineteen, thirty nine. Also did because the United States does not mean that antisemitism in them pro naughty motherfucker were also here. They learned. Really got some time governed about the history of the Nazi party and how they there it is from we learned from You Dad But Yeah. No, it's. It's I. Think it's important to pull that out right of. How much of the characters we know in love. Come from. Jewish writers artists. The world they were living in when they started creating these characters. and. What that meant and why These characters and whites so insulting when you hear people say. I want. My comments have policies involve these characters were created. In. The midst of politics in the midst of the world that we're living in you cannot separate that you cannot separate the fact of who these characters were, why they were created and the world around them, and we'll see where created in you can't do that. Is, impossible. And when you do that, you tell me that you. Don't know your history. and. You're not really a fan of this characters. Playing. Right. Well in in a lot of that goes down to the core madden. Again, I'm not GonNa Redo the Mountbatten here but. When you look at Superman do you see icon that's sellable across media or do you see beloved Kamba character? Because comparatively coblets, making very little money. And they're just really achieve experiment farm cheap idea farm for them to. Try. New. Things. And so. I really think that when you look at the structure of. W being the shipped with DC. That's we start to see why. You feel you feel why? Why represented the ways present it because? It doesn't matter. That's why they're able to recruit every five or seven years because, hey, we need. Horror Stories, movies, we new fresh origin stories. You can't tell me of the movie to wasn't someone's to say what have we decided universe and we just pretend fibers in a not planning anything how look for the viewer. Judas but wasn't it consideration? Number three, nine, hundred, eighty, three. We talked about this in our in our history comics. But that's when Joe Joe Suchard in Jerry Siegel I title character it's called the rain and Superman. and. It was the villain. and. That's what they recreate his character in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, shopping around. They modeled Superman of Douglas Fairbanks and Clark Kent Lewis, Miracle Model Harold Harold, Lloyd, and juicer. And it was picked up the shop to carry around and was finally picked up by national allied publications, which later becomes DC and they. Put character in I can remember one. That famous cover of Superman lifting up. No, the car. Especially into Iraq I will never not smile at that I know it gets kind of modular anywhere that use it too much sometimes, but it never does obeys Fatima I. Yeah I mean it's it's. It's that is. Action Comics number one is the the basically the launch is nine basically is the launch of the Golden Age. The sort of the superhero are rush on and so that images. Conic but was even more when you look at that first page because I picked up the We were saying you can't go and read. All these Ol- earlier I'm just I'm sorry I get somebody like that is almost cheesy. So I can't do it but what I did I picked up the Superman and celebration seventy, five years. book. The kind of goes through some of the early days and you know I came how far all it goes through it goes all the way to. Grant Morrison the man of tomorrow the voice to Superman's Cape In Two thousand twelve. So it, it goes it goes through it picks out select stories. Tall and obviously is going to pick out action comics number one, but it's important 'cause on that first panel in that first page in there, and again, it goes back to the the the. The the creators were in the world they were living in it superman champion of the oppressed, the physical marvel who has sworn to devote his existing to help those in need. I mean that tour man cement that is the that is that is where you start no matter what changes with his origin no matter what stories that coming later on like that is there net Champigny of the press physical Mara, who sworn to devote his existence to helping those in need? Like that, that is your base or should be your base. For Superman anywhere you go. And again, it's modern off of the creators in the world they were living in was like. To think that they weren't experiencing anti Semitism in nineteen, thirty, eight America, you're out of your goddamn mind. Stan Lee's real name is Stanley. Liebowitz. died. It. These are. The also thing back to. Go back to Tim y you'll certain. Races or ethnicities ended up in certain certain jobs is might be because there's all that was available to them all. Right. You know the whole thing about Jews being bankers and things like that. Well, if you don't let them be anything else. You know so. Important. We talked about this, what we are going to get too much into this. But we talked about this a lot in the kitchen comics piece. They sold the rights. For Yeah that was how the game was back then and I know people try to. Ford. But. It is like a go to the Batman Character cornelisz. Bilfinger. because it applies here. Hundred thirty dollars. How I man. And I think that you know what it's. Because say the Games game at that time and that's what everybody was doing. All right. Cool. I'll? Give you that. What I think what happens is, and this is what you see later on is what allied and then national and then eventually DC do afterwards, which is when. Segal or either his. Widow Star trying to sue DC and they lose as when they start removing their bylines. By you get everything net digitally. Now, you'll see created by Jerry Siegel. Over yet yeah. You Know Joe Joe, Shuster, and Jerry. It's been re added, but there's a period time in here where their bilateral removed from this same entity but bilfinger. In we bring this up just kind of say that, hey, you know you kinda got the address that that were were standing on the shoulders of his work that everybody else has done before and again it's it's tie. So well, we were just talking about with Chadwell Bozeman it's like this idea of. Giving people they're do. For years it. Joe Shuster Jerry Siegel just did not get the recognition. For what becomes you know the the Lynch pin of. A multibillion dollar industry maybe even injury at this point because when think about everything already multibillion just in the movies alone if you add and everything else might even hired Flynn orange, right you know and. In the end to fight to get. There had to be fights to get their names back to being added. As creators of this. So. Again this is what we call. The dark times of these have been the dark time of the Combo Chemistry because at some point you got to remember it is a business to run by businesses who do business things. That not we don't excuse but like. You have to remember and it's not just DC. Does that like? have. Done it to more has a lot of things that are pass too. So yeah. I think that. One of the things outside of. The comics also comes the thing of like. So why remain take off. A wide did why was it story compared some of the other stories you read that you read that story it's Very you know. Is Fine but like. Even compared to the stories of the day at that time it's like it's no different than some of the stuff. You see what? What made Superman different, right? At this time also not the superman that we know of. Right with the power that we have. You know I love the line. What is? More powerful their local motos faster and speeding bullet and tell billions and single bound. Right? Those power said he could not fly. Find. Income. Coming to that time. He had the Red Cape The blue suit. I don't even know if they had they had. s chest. Yellow. Chest He. Wasn't when you think of right, it's more like cursive. Door yes adorable. The underwear. SPANDEX you know the important where they belong. The important things. But like why did it take off in? You know I think one of the things that Kinda help because it's like even if it was popular that time, there's a lot of story type of the time they come in the kind of faded off like what made it so that when? You know especially in the fifties when you had the complicate already come in in in in some of the other comic died off what caps remain going. In I think that one of the things and something that's what they're actually doing again. Now I don't know how to golf but. The radio, the radio zero. I think that without the radio serials. That day like over two thousand episodes between one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety ran for eleven years. And I think between that and obviously the newspaper. I don't know we get you know if if to remain takes his. It's The radio. Here's where you got all the other stuff. Everything else. These are many. Okay. Go. L. E., plant and he does not daily start at the time you think of Jimmy Olsen like this is the place for these. These this war will built around him and so even before. The ubiquity of comic books, there's a built in fanbase. It was the it's it's comments on popular as they weren't which they weren't the radio show was. This is the era of gatherer on the radio. Let's hear store. Welles. Or the. World. I'm So that, you're one hundred percent right that. You won't talk about. Character? Man. Impressive And It's It's one of those things of. Like you said it's it's funny because I feel like this is also another thing that. You. See A lot with with. With DC, characters and I don't know if they. Properly. Not only say exploited but. Took take included in in their method of how they do things like. How many times have we seen that popular care to become popular but you realize they've become popular because some of those outside of the comics harlequins perfect example of that right Harley Quinn exists because the. Series. Harlequin does not exist in the comics, right Part of the show now. Yeah, and then. You get her showing up there and then. Come the care now you associate that would've? Probably quaint. And and so many of the things that again, like you said, you think about with. Superman. Come from the show you know him being able to fly came from the tech episode of the Radio Show. You know they had that they had that line. I think this is. The. Opening. From the radio factor speeding bullet more powerful than a locomotive able to leap tall buildings and single bound look up in the sky. It's a bird. It's a plane. Is Superman yes. Superman strange visitor from another planet who came to Earth the powers and abilities far bump those Moral Min. Superman. Defender of law and order. Doesn't hold well today but. different our law and order champion of equal rights. Valiant courageous fighter against the force of hate and prejudice who disguises Ken, mild mannered reporter for the Greater Metropolitan newspaper fights a never ending better for truth justice and the American way. Like I really thought you're gonNA give us old time. Radio. Voice I was thinking about it but I can't do that. But I think about it though we think about that in in the old time radio voice every time this like you drill that into people's heads all the time like. It's GonNa. Be I remember the The animated. Was Vigilant Superman. Animated Short. Short. They read this they did the same thing. It's like he reads all the time and it's like it's catchy is GonNa get there for you. It's is the thing I'm you look at but it's got a bird a bird superman like that is something that you know what is you get those catchy things in their people are going to start latching onto that they're gonNa know what that is and I think that. The other thing to keep on the radio show. Aimed at kids. Very, very important. Isn't that we're? Sounds like suppose was aimed at kids and also it's the best way to build a lasting generational an. Adult and then. Their kids. Fetus again, wait a second. No no no. Let's make murder. Superman. Murder Superman. Let's. Execute so. You get you. See you see now, right? Yeah. You see my point. No I saw your point before to. I've always in your I've always I've always seen your point when it comes to manage and I get. It also realized that you made the point better than the people online do so. It. Makes it easy saying it wrong. You're probably right that they're saying at the wrong this ways, right? Reading this getting prepared for this thinking about Superman, the last couple of days. Chris. Got Him frustrated. Is supposed to be. He's supposed to be the care. That's the best of us. She see. All Star Superman. But yeah. So you had the radio in. Was Interesting about this. We have the come back. You know you had stitcher head the. Warring along night. Neil gaiman. Man is now doing an audible book. Or? I I'm actually do that. I. Mean They may get me on that one. Yeah. I mean, and this is that the they're starting to do this kind of now with podcasting and telling these stories in there is it going to take off the same way that these did back in the day? Probably not too because like we have other mediums we have we have the visual medium of comics and we have TV movies, but it's still going to get some people because again if you're on the road all the time and you want to hear the story, now you have a way of you have a new medium of bringing people in that way, it can't hurt. But back in back in this time when you know a lot of people might not have had a TV but everybody had a radio. You know and everybody might not have been able to afford to get the newspaper or get the comics which they they they get. The Radio Radio is free baby right? If you had a radio, you can you can listen to it as long as you want it and. So you had that you had. The other thing too that I think that we and we've talked about before about the decline of comic. Book. Sales. Come from the idea that you guys made unless assessable. The comeback in the and the grocery store. You want you took away the racks. The director consumer, and so you may them, you made them more niece you made it that you have to either order online or go to Accom- bookstore to get them well, then yeah. Your number going to go down because now you're not getting the kid who stuck in a department store but finds that was the greatest thing to me in a rural right when you're stuck in the department store with your your parents and your mom there shopping and you'll find the Combo crack. Like I'll be here. And hours go I'll park here and I'm fine. I mean these peach into this world that I would never know about I'm Reid single issues cures I couldn't care less about, but I'm still board I guess what? I'm an read 'em Yup. And that is. That was the for us. That was our introduction in our way of getting into this world back in the in the forties and fifties it's the radio. and. I think that when we talk about, you know a lot of people focus on the price and this kind of stuff. All that matters but it's also like how do you get them? How do you get the stories end to and honestly again, it's the point here into the hands of kids. Or your kids. If you're not aiming that way. Then you're going to see some declines you know. You're going to see the fact that Superman now assigned a lowest has ever sold out. You're not aimed at kids. What are you doing to get the kids more? that. Yes. Yes. There's also the fact that. They don't like. To See slagging sales. They don't promote the line. Well, there's also that yes. Yes there's no back the. If you talk about if you watch a vendors feature if you watch a behind the scenes if you watch in discussion of marvel characters, you're going to see concrete are involved. These guys when I see a movie come out, you think that an it honestly, it's kind of Weird Jeff Johns has written most of them but you'd think he's the only ever employed. Gail Simone. Attended. If you watched the the entertaining suicide squad. Which won. I don't. Know I haven't seen it yet. The one that's like director of seared six. No. They don't they don't mention someone's name once she was not consulted once on it. Wow. Story Man. And it's. It's A. Really uncomfortable the ways DC hand those line but I'll be. Able to cancel young justice behind lagging sales pitch poetry you're good sales. where the good ones what are you talking about? So yes, you're right. The sales are down because of a lot of lack of interest was also a boatload other factors because what gets not aimed at kids but spider man as a character is oh well, let me let me say this. I think the lack of interest as you. We should have been more clear the lack interest come from the lack of interest of the top to promote the lot. That's where it comes from. It's it's it's a top down thing when you when you're when you're says are lagging is not because the stories can't sell. This is sue. Reminds me of this. All this comes from this idea when they came up Thomason. They don't know if they're GONNA do movie because they don't know how they don't know how to sell it. Superman Shit sells itself. It's all Celsius nineteen, thirty eight are you gonNA outsmart literally eight years of research you assholes it's it's it's it's Superman. That's how you fucking sellers God. Damn. If you're here, right it's like, what do you mean? You're not sell man what the fuck maybe maybe maybe don't make them murderers who? Maybe don't wash them out in color you know maybe maybe have him looking like. Tomorrow. What if what if he made people want to be better? Oh boy I hate it. It's just Man. Early. So early bio everybody knows this. Last surviving member of the planet. Krypton. Rocketed away as an infant or is it an embryo? It depends your continuity. Yup, and this other thing to here. Is Not as much and I know you all the time about about about. Batman also tired of seeing the baby getting kicked off into the space we'll talk. I. It makes more sense or okay. I'm more I'm more okay with it than the pearls I. Am I am and I, get it at the same time as one of the things I think we understand we're from it comes from right I. Don't do the rocket landing I'm okay with that too. Yeah. I don't need to see you take off. I do need to see a land. I don't know why I get you well I mean I think also. Where because we want to why is it also gives you a perfect example between. Batman Superman the to cares is that have. been around a long for DC in survive that that middle period between the silvery a silver age golden silver age. It's With the Wayne's it's about death. Superman with that with that rocket ship opening and Martha and Jonathan Kent Opening It's birth, right? A very simple. Simple explanation right and so it is. It is better if I have to one, obviously remand the fact that Batman versus opens and closes with the funeral is the most amazing thing. I've ever like I think people I've said that a couple times on these shows. Need you to really think about this. They opened with the funeral. Nowhere to go but up, right. We. With the funeral. You assholes. What your brandon body beyond all things all the. Whether, it's the hope of a super powered protector from by written by two Jewish kids from fucking Cleveland. Is Hopeful. He hasn't live your life for you isn't stop every crime. He keeps things on the rails so you can take care yourself does not dark and gritty I hate you that's not darken crazy enough. I need I need tangible I. Could give you can only connect. needs to be real. You have my permission deep on the engineer executive to stand your Ground Square your feet looked at in the I. Say Fuck You. The full details will give the full first full details of his his. Being, sent to Earth. In kind of line that he is an alien in Superman. Fifty three I guess it Kinda say before then but really kind of giving the details superman under fifty three. Again I said original power sets were Strength Being. Being fast pattern speeding bullet. At this point, it's is not the speed we see now where it's not rivaling. Again it's not where. Near rivalry share any car there's nowhere near route I really the flash we're still. Pretty. Fast. more powerful than a locomotive. HIS POWER PLOT ARMOR Yes. And needs to do what he can do it right and that's what. A lot of this comes down to that it's like. Basically impervious to any kind of harm invulnerability. Flight came in the radio second episode of Radio Show actually customer eleven he got vision. And Nineteen, forty, nine in Subaru fifty, three he demonstrated his vision where he just kinda turned kind of an extension of the x Ray Vision. Nine, thirty, nine. Eleven also got super hearing on one hundred forty. Twenty guys who are human breath to freeze breath. Tuber umbrella and freeze breath was in. One Thousand Nine that's twenty years straight. Yeah. Twenty years he's blown suffering that freezing. Yeah. Not Not breathing and then didn't twenty years later the freeze breath. Now were saying before the way that they've done this continuity while superman is probably. The only to care is really for the most part have had their orders not really changed that much or very, very slightly. And I think that is. Amazing when you think about how long they been right because you can go and you WanNa see a mess of origin. Built into one category. Would you might the Redo 'cause we? We did have one episode and I feel like there. There's so much we skipped over. Everything. Fell, so okay with A. Surprise. That I somehow got rid of the Donald. Trump on one don to no no, we'd never did we Donna was in that. That's what I'm saying it's like. Donald. That's what I'm saying Donald. Donald was included in one why and then we kinda someone else's one bride cat. Then we covered it. Covered down a little bit I think in Teen Titans so. We are a yard at a lot of wonder woman because like it's A. Sukkur. So the thing about Superman's origin in every time, you get a new until the origin because everyone makes little changes. We'll talk about things that have come locked place later on after man of steel, which not the movie. John Berg got damaged. But like the ideas of what on was before, it exploded taking a larger inform the story you're going to tell your man But. Yeah it's. Changed, a stranger sins. It's the Moses Story Yeah. I think I think also that's the problem is like people and why people take the wrong. Imagery from this, it is the Moses Story and obviously you have. Informed some of the stuff, but it's like you don't go overboard with it. Right? It's like. Don't make that. The huge focus of it all. Story, of Moses, it's not about how it got. Did. Exactly like. Moses never does hunt down his birth him the hello. No. The story is what he does now. If he does hunt down his birth family. There's like an addendum to the Bible or maybe like some fan fiction I, read it a gritty Moses. I duNNo. Don't one. Out of so by first of all this probably exists right like someone's going to be tweeted somebody. I think John. Somebody. It was the one with Russel Crowe. The did the the gritty Noah. So you're not too far off to somebody would try to do a gritty Moses any no one was story. Incest Boat I. Know I know the person to do this? Actually this would hundred needed to do. So the sitting out now see now I get it. Really wanted to tell the story of Moses. Moses snaps every other animals. There's no room. There's no room for the Unicorn. So what did you do Moses? I would have had to do snapping. As. Actually, the name of movies last Unicorn the big twist, the third accidents. Return to the I. got it. So we get the last. Unicorn Zach Cut. The last shot is just like the rain starts to fall, but the first shots also rain falling I hate you. Zach Center cut the devil shows up. Next rollout of the seven movies while at sea. Sorry that movie get screened. Everyone me all. The source of his powers again. So you're saying you kind of over the place I are of his power, his strength came from. All Tony attached wraith, right In nineteen sixty one. So this is now in the silver. Superman number one, forty, six, they said all this power several strength came from the Yellow Sun. So basically, his flight, his speed, all that stuff is not what native crony Tad but because of the closing the Yellow Sun and we. Have that piece powered by. The Earth's Yellow Sun. Two years later again, getting with the concept of DC read re changing. Or stories on the whim. In. In Action Comics three hundred next to sixty three all of his powers came from the Sun. I want to stop here That's a full twenty five goddamn years after creation we finally locked in the House wise in what force of what powers? Powers Orcas those are going to continue to change. Or powers in. Yes Chris what's power? Speed. Career. Layers. Power. Willpower. This is pretty big at the beginning right Yup. Yup Got. What I'm trying to point here is that the idea Is. The idea. Superman hasn't idea is bigger than the character. Yes He encapsulates so much any so important and honestly one of the things we're going to talk about the end of this podcast probably part two is doomsday clock. Because if you don't understand how integral he is to superheroes and there's a lot of things, I don't like some of the output from Geoff. Johns. That's one a love letters man that he he knew. Because Superman is hope. In hopes gotta change throughout the eras. Hope need. Savvas. Powered explaining through a yellow Sun. So hope confronted a civilized society from the Band Society Sometimes A. A. A I from his home will also comes with him to guide him in the trying to destroy him. The bottom line is this whole molds it's I'm Paraphrasing Doomsday clock now. That hope. Melted self to wherever it needs to be. English ever time we're living in now. To fight mobsters. That was the beginning of corrupt politicians. That's. taught was involved in the game. Jay. Right. So Ninety six, three, all power trump from the sunlight of earth and are deactivated by runs red sunlight crypt son. Kurt tonight. His one. Of few weaknesses, but the big one was introduced on the radio show. Again, the radio show being a thing that introduced something such a large piece of of of Superman lure it doesn't hit the comet. Six years later in Superman sixty, sixty one. So, again, the radio show would just as important to building that legend Superman. As anything in the comics. In. Nineteen sixty four one, sixty, one on one seventy, one s when real vulnerable to magic and that's something that also sticks with us today also remain being very supremely vulnerable to magic. Yeah those are the that's that's basically they're part time also, WANNA bring this up because we started getting some of the some of the time period between nineteen forty and nineteen seventy. There was one. Editor more wising singer. was editor of from nine, hundred, forty, one to nine, hundred seventy, and he's the one that kind of Karma corralling some of this history, and you can see start bringing some more of this order into what the mythology of souvenirs. So between taking some of the stuff that was coming in from the radio show and adding more structure. To this, that's restarting in the shape of. So in this time period nineteen, forty one, and then every time this why don't I don't I mean you can go read those stories are fine. Right? If that's what you want but to me, it's that almost thirty year period is like is the pot in which the Superman of today? Comes from. It's a bunch of something is put in. We'll go through some of those his. His Emmy Enemies and some of the key characters, and almost all of them are created in that timeframe under under wiser, right All income for that time, and it's what cared creators after this time period after the seventies do with those things that make him the Superman Ju- think of today. Income, from there I know in the nineteen fifties. And this how they kind of explain how you keep swimming around. That's when they bring in. Savoy. And that is basically Clark time as as a child in smallville where he was grew and and this is like you talked earlier. The kids. And they didn't want to introduce like a a true side take yet. But we. The production robin taken off her. Batman. State need any way to capture new generation of kids they said Hey. Commandment he was a boy. And Honestly. What are your feelings about the idea that took man? Maybe not GonNa put it on the Cape in the in the tides whatever. But that he would do good as a boy to I mean, it makes sense right? Doesn't make sense. Them anything don't say the bus they got. Also that comes down to you know. Somebody characters and we mentioned Now, Jonathan and Martha Kent, and Superman Number one in nineteen, thirty nine. Right. I, think if you're looking at. And I think this is where. I think this is another place where I see what you're saying there. But also where we're Zach Snyder didn't understand the difference between Batman and Superman right. And I think this highlights so much in with Tom King did and super was that Tattoo to story ARC super friends. Super Friends. Arc. Where you have both, we both Bruce and Clark talking about each other you know. To their significant others and. Superman. Batman is raised by his Butler who still family, but he doesn't have his mother and father right. In Cork loses his mother and father. But at especially in this time early time the only father he really knows our Jonathan Martin because he doesn't even know he's not their biological child this time. So he's raised in Smallville. You know in this family on this farm to be this assumption who young man and he has that level of his family there right while brute while while is obviously you know becomes Bruce's father and he you know again that touching father's a issue that Tom Keene puts together is just many hits you right in the heart. Of, the day Alfred is still technically his employees. Right. It's like. It's Still. There's there's still a line, right? where? The reason the patient has been less defined. Yes Dick Satanic employees to right I mean that's the problem it's like Hierarchy that even as a reader even if it's not there in the pages, it is a reader you see. But Mom Popkin. Their mom pocket right there might be people out there who don't even know that his Jonathan and Martha Kent, right 'cause like mom pocket. Right and And who they are. Supremely, you know shows who Clark is in person becomes you know and and the idea that they couldn't have kids but they find this kid in this space craft and they hide it from everywhere else adopt them right while. They start noticing that he's not like the other kids. And it's an it's an important. Thing to bring in. Another character key character here's Lois. Lane. She's actually there in the show low's appearances also action comics number one in June nineteen, thirty, eight. Again you know. I think that as much as we talk about Superman being the archetype four. superheroes. For Good For for good and bad. You know lowest landed also an archetype. One in bad would be those who only see Damsel in distress Oh, right. which again is not is not it shouldn't be but that's what people do in other depictions. She's archetype for that. That go-getter reporter. Who will put herself in harm's way not because you think super saver but because she's out there she's new job and she's she's not going to back down from anybody. It's it's two different types of Lois. Lane and who you and who, who, that writer, who the crater decides to debase was on because it says a lot about them. So so not life. Asked me a question about complicated like make this care inching to me? And she thought. Had Lois Lane as a lady. Right in the Brian Trap. Lois Lane. Is the toughest coolest was confidently ever met. But she doesn't try. She makes it look effortless. She's the one knock superman on his heels. She's got pulled before Karkare one. because. Like. I love the fact like one of the things I love about Lois Lane is that so many characters were. Able to add things to that character and then carry them because people aren't really paying attention. Because now, she's the daughter of a gin who's also spy. Who who did not go into military service indirect opposition or father and uses that to drive her to success in. But when? That spy. Story. Breaks. Leviathan. She used to be the center of at all. Because before she superman's wife. She's the best report of the DC universe. And everyone knows it. Yes. And and that is flawlessly if you're if you're lowest lane is the KLUTZY. Damsel in distress you're you've misread it right you've missed a lot. All the thing is that's the lowest they put on television with Teri Hatcher. Yes. That's what I'm saying. It's like you've missed something with that and that's why I was like to me lowest next to Superman. Be Honest here she might be the next consequential Combo character. Right because there are so many other characters that then become. based. Off of her or from there right I mean you can draw a direct line from her to Irish West. You know it's it's there in i. think that when done right? Like she is, she's such an important character, the habit and not just being the girlfriend or the. Love what John Byrne does with her and and his books, and then that eighty timeframe where they don't even heavily have her chasing after Clark like that, and the other way around that Clark is trying to get lowest to to recognize him and pay attention to him. You know trying to trying to trying to wear her down. That's how it should be right. The we brought as you mentioned it before you gotTa. Let it. Slip there? The. Daily Star Slack Daily Planet. Because originally thing is I can't remember his Joe Jol they jerry, they they. Named there because of the Toronto Star the Toronto Daily Star. Of into becomes the daily Planet Action Comics Number Twenty, three, thousand, nine, hundred, forty. Perry White. Hits, the radio I. So the second episode of the Radio Serial also went from daily started planet. And the change it from George. Taylor to very what got you. He's in the comics and Superman number seven, ninety forty again, and again, another one of the things when you compare like. Complete opposite someone again, this reminds me of when you think about this you'd think about almost kind of like the daily Bugle and Spiderman complete opposite of Jj Right? Like there's there's A part here in in John Burns deal where. Perry, son gets kidnapped by mobsters because they want to force him to stop writing the story to stop either testify writing this story about some boss, right Telling them. You're going to write a retraction. You can do all this other newspaper and Perry just can't do it. He's like, yeah, they got my son. I, I can't tell a lie to all these people in this paper, right? That's interesting because I would say that's the way that he in general I like. That yes. But then the main thing is just that Joe couldn't get over his buys against vitamin right in that. You want. Dear. That's the marvels ation of Perry White Yes. Very. Well, this one glaring looking but making this up standing moral right-thinking Newspaperman I. Yes. Also make him hate articulate character. Yes and that's the difference between Peres JJ and and again like, Perry, white is an important character and then there's Jimmy. Olsen who has an unnamed Kerr came and number six, his the radio serial named in April Fifteenth Nineteen. Forty. In then Superman Thirteen Be Forty one makes his appearance. And this is where you kind of get start getting your your. You're Kinda sidekick right kid sidekick who can kind of start again appealing to those kids right because again, it's all about bringing the kids you can't imagine being to remember too damn. Sure. Imagine being Jimmy Olsen. Yes. You even get the. You. Know Superman Superman's pal Jimmy Olsen name of the book they could come out. Right, so like he even gets his own book tied to Superman, right it's like they do this weird thing also again. DC Goes, overboard, even lowest. Superman's girlfriend lois landed on my it's like at some point you guys it's like, okay, I get it. But you guys are going overboard with the naming. Should we? See. We crypto the superdome. Comes out and venture comics. Number two ten. They're super bowl. We talked a little bit about. With it in the fifties with being Clark. Is Way too much over here a definitely go back door to corner on. We will definitely bring into up again later on probably in part to. but if you really want the full end up scope of that hit that up We haven't done to grow wine and maybe we will or we combined with somebody else but. Yes. We're will probably also need to be covered a little bit separately we may have to do is I'm reading the business run right now the house of l.. That actually be pretty smart actually could you got the Dad Joyo came back and rebirth? Yeah we can talk about. Some of the things that are happening because There's a scene in the more than the action comics bring back Connor. I'm GonNa talk about this in the mail bag I. Think. Yeah. Yeah but it's just really well depicted and they're making the family matter and I think. That's a good point we were looking to doing that. So Some of the other cares we already mentioned LEX Again, we did a whole care to corner on him Let's hope about some of the other some of the other villains we. have out here BRAINIAC. As nineteen fifty eight. and. Again, this a lot of these under. More and I'll let them come in this this fifty rain between nine, hundred, Fifty, eight, and sixty one. Between nine hundred and sixty one, you get BRAINIAC BIZARRO general's odd. Who are all at this point? Not just big at this point superman villains. And characters but. At, least BRAINIAC. Into maybe level even sometimes like Justice League level. Yeah we saw. In the green lantern relent run was GONNA take on sadness family and they go Super Portland. Yet, right right. You have. Dark. Side shows up in Jimmy Superman. Superman's pal Jimmy Olsen number one, thirty four. Thousand Nine hundred seventy, we will probably do more in dark side in the whole new gods thing itself whenever new gods comes out I feel like that's probably best to kind of cover that almost separately a little bit there. Because there's a there's there's a lot goes on there. There's definitely as they pick it up again, manage steel as well. not the movie again talking about John. And I think that will just kind of you know we need to do our own thing. bizarro. Created into voice sixty eight with a duplicating ray then reappears in. Get retold again in. Action Comics two four basically, a bizarro bases shows up in each of the different errors. So you have your Golden Air Bizarro, you have your civil as Bizarro action comics. I can come up. One is where they set up bizarro world where tobacco of everything. he goes off into his own Brasileiro world with his own bizarro. Lois Lane. And so yes, freeze visions of visions. Of Free Free Breath vacuum breath ref. BIZARRO telescopic vision mark I got to the just like. Okay I. Get you guys when you say it's opposite everything but then she didn't he like walk into the flying or something like that across flying like. At what point does the bizarre the opposite everything kind of change and the speech pattern and. Commitment much. In Bronze Age for deal number five in John Burns. Real take when we get into that, John Burns does. Basically the Post Crisis Superman, encounter, reset everything. We know about Superman so. Let's see Miss. Anything they're. Big Ones. Like I said in the Seventies. When after more wising leaves They start trying to in a short lived thing they try to tamp down mass powers. Because, we were saying at some point when you start when you start focusing more onto mass powers, you start realizing that he's never really danger because you've basically made him invulnerable and invincible think you give them every power onto the sun? No Pun intended and you have made him basically. So what is for man? So the idea then becomes well, okay, we're going to. Chambers power down. Because it takes spent the book but I think that's but the problem is is. That because you're you're I don't know why you think. You're focused on the power site the focus should be on the man. Who Clark in is and repeatedly seeing him how how how he overcomes those. Those those challenges, right You know. Yes. He can punch a hole into a mass chest but like. Superman, he's going to do that. So he has a find a way to stop and you get a lot of this when you get into the eighties after crisis with Giambra. Series, how does he stop? You know this attack by this villain and save who around him. So it doesn't hurt people right? Like that becomes it's almost down to the part of. This chess match we talked so much about how this other thing too I think they've done a disservice for. Later years is Taken away the fact that he's also taxation himself that granted he's not no, he's not Batman Right. But he's very smart and he's very, he's able to see in problem solve and do these things because he has to right when you have all this power. The difference between Superman and it might be a regular person is. He doesn't use it is this idea will we saw with? Spiderman when when we dispirit vitamin activies gets his gets his powers. Realizes that he damaged takes Scorpions Jawf going like wait was Peter Holding. Back all the time. Yeah. Because he has to because he's a hero right and so. It doesn't last long when they tried to do this. When they try to take away the powers a little bit I think it might be the Kryptonite nevermore story to try to do that. Doesn't work because again, that's not what people were here for. You, know that's what we're here for it. Yeah. You know. We know he's a here. You know back we know we're going to bounce back. You got to tamp down his powers for that. I think the the big thing before we get into the John Berks off is. Crisis. Crisis is where. We get this moment where. We talked about this every time you can't talk about a character that has been around since overage and not hell crisis for DC. Because a pivotal moment is the moment when we bring everything together is the moment when you you go the multi multi verse to. Orth. and. You now have to reconcile all these things happened. And it also Creates so many problems in the future both in story in also Meta in real life for DC. Yes. It's. We talked about this times. It's like I'm torn on crisis of earth like it's an important story is important and add they need to do it in needed to do it. But then when you look at what happened to DC afterwards, it's like what did they didn't do it From, breaking glass of Britain case, boredom? Yeah. We can revitalize the stories, make them better or Bama number one. Right. So. I believe crisis these all mix up I. Think this is where Soomro dies in this one. Yes. We have. The. Superman and Superman, who had who was super boy in The fifties that becomes. Earth known as Earth to yes. That becomes earth to. Going from here when we get the ones with John Burns and in the eighties legends and things like that with John Ostra andor that becomes prime. No Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Her Front. And Yeah. So Again From crash again. And While there are some other stories in here and I know we we skipped over a lot of stuff like we skipped over superman in common because again, you guys can go back and read this if you want to. But it's really all kinds of just. It's. It's fine. Everything we talked about before about what they set up for. WHO Right, and that soup between the Thirties and seventies is really that they're good stories they set the tone for WHO's remain as Clark Ken is. But. To really understand but because that's of changes so much you can't focus too much on it because that's what he was. Starting in John Burns's Mana. Steel this is where we kind of start off with. The Superman that we have Kelly's for the most for today, right? Who He was where he came from his parents being alive at this point I mean my parents I mean mom can't in him the story him finding out that he was An Alien. The fact that he was never super boy that's an important piece here. Yeah. He was never. He was never avoid void during his time here. Basically he leaves are after high school. He leaves he goes off and does certain things, but until he comes back and decide after. Saving, some people have been called Superman. He goes back home they create a minute they. Can't create a uniform. The, blue the blue and red that we see with the Cape. But. This is it. This is where we start off with right. This is how we start off we we are not a new version, but everybody can starts off from scratch. So this is where we get the a new origin for. NOT ORIGIN WE GET A. lex Luther we get how Clark joins the daily planet and ended up coming in and scooping Lois Lane, which is Kinda why she doesn't fuck with them. Their first few volumes of this book 'cause she's He's always scooping her on Spiderman. Superman could just like what Peter was Spiderman because the one in the same. So it's easy to get the as easy to get the scoop on Superman when you are also art so Iran. It also introduced cat grant I think for a lot of the John Byrne series cat grant is technically Superman's girlfriend at this time. They're also set up. A pass love with a Leonard Lang as well and Yeah and this is kind of where. John Burns Mana Steele number one, and then you have to read the volumes because because what happens is the first mint manteaux goes from six issues, and then what they do is is basically three comics. They tell one story though so we actually need to you need to get all the books and so what I do is I just suggest you get the volumes. Volumes. To nine. Because it's a combination story from Superman action comics and eventually who remained with some other stuff kind of mix in there and is written by three different people John Byrne Marv Wolfman and Jerry Ordway. and. This is the modern. Superman. Doesn't India. That's the starting point. Yes. The things that we as a culture kind of identify today always people who say might have been was reeve or mine was the cereals even the radio show people who go back but we talk about. Kind of the jumping off point even to the different permutations and things that have been massage and change a little bit sense. Is it. Is the single unifying theory of Superman, which is why main is still the film is so insulting. Sorry there was again there can't. I feel like you, this is the podcast for that is the pocket. Getting Ready for his I love Superman. Informs every other character. Like. and. Now It feels like. The company that he put on the map is ashamed of. Yes. Is that fair? No I mean. It is particularly him, but they're also filling their of their their their of their entire line. But particularly with Superman with the idea that they feel like I feel like you know what it is I feel that. WBZ DC DC on this Guy Phileas also them I feel like they believe the noise. So they believe the idea when people come in and. You know in call sermon a boy scout. They were like we gotta prove that he's not whereas when you get things like when we read things like you know. Steve Rogers, Captain America and people call him a boy scout and stuff like that. It's like. Lead into it because as trait. Yes Sir remains a boy scout. Yeah. Guess. What guys. There's nothing wrong with being a boy scout when you have the power of the gods. Is a boy scout. Well, what else? What the fuck? Like. There's a story in one of the ministerial kindergarteners reading the the volumes I can't remember if was in a hemorrhage volume it is I can't remember his action on but the the one where this. This scientists who has been? Disabled and he tricks who remained into using his device. He tells them one thing and when it ends up, being allowed them to transfer the consciousness. So it transfers his consciousness into man zooming into his body. So the decided. Superman his powers and he goes off and he does all the things he like rips off cyborgs. He has all this power in Sumer let me say I. Think I think I actually. took a picture of me because it's like it represents superman so much. Yeah. Here he goes. He's. The doctor goes. Back in my own crippled useless body chopped eating the role scores. Security and Superman says, don't be so quick to blame the world for your problems Gunderson. True. The Face Dilshad in hand. Never forget how it feels that'd be a sign of body this. That doesn't do what you want to do, but it out your body that makes you a cripple governors in the history history is full of men and women who overcame incredible handicaps having Helen Keller who became one of our great authors even though deaf. Blind Deaf and mute, Douglas Baiter than legless fighter of fighter ace of the world for a World War Two for the Roosevelt became president of the United States even though can find a wilshire and Jericho here. He he cannot be that did not stop him from becoming a superhero. You took my powers and making nothing more than a column Hoodlum No, it's not your by the governors. It's your mind. I mean Superman. That's. That's what it is like. It but it's the same thing that. I think it's issue to a minister and we talked about this in the lex luther. One is the one where you live comes in the covers basically Clark Kent Superman. Crows Alexis Biz can done all this up to try to figure out who is right the giant computer scientists to crack all the data flight. Behavior I twitch is who is segment right comes down to it and the computer spit out that Clark Kent, Superman, and and. LEX is just like that is ridiculous. I don't believe it. You know it's not going to do let me see if I actually have that here and he's A souls museum. I make that deduction but not lex luther I know better. I know that no man with the power of man would ever pretend to be a mere human touch power is to be constantly exploited says, power is to be used. The data's reliable you have failed me Amanda. Conclusion utterly useless removed from my computer at one the remove yourself I have no place in my for we will not see the obvious. told the truth and LEX himself cannot believe it because in his mind. There's no way that someone would that power would be the boy scout but someone with that power wouldn't use it to expose themselves but. That's permit in the thing about it is. Is Core. Is. jus-. Spiderman. Yeah but they never explicitly said. So, assholes like sex snyder in come in and say, well, what if? What if absolute power just fucking power. And I get it. It sounds cool. It's been done well uperior on high period. Supreme Power. Vakhin. Century. bloodborne bright boomer the fuck that she was its homeland or from the boy's homeland talking Spain. Guess it looked. Blue Characters. To remain sustains not because of his power. Because of the hope thing I keep. The the meanest thing anyone's ever said to superman was during infinite crisis. When the GUAS targets attack, they take down the Mongol and Bruce says the car you have it inspired anyone's you're dead and I own I've never learned to spike a book more my life. Was Harsh. Just. Beautiful Shit, you talk to your friends. You know it hurts. That's what that was. and. Because he didn't call the fact you can't do this. You don't spy or anyone anymore because that's the real power. And it's so God damn frustrated people don't get that the inspirations. What matters it's the same story Batman. You think all these kids just showed up because they were orphans who are bored. Look. At the sky one night in saw symbol that meant they weren't alone and they could change that one person could change their circumstances. With the strength in the will to do it. And that's why you see two paired not because they're different because they're the same. Because everywhere they go. They make people want to pick up and do good. That's why they're paired together not because light in the dark. Because they're both lights in their own way. It's Chris. No I. I'm glad you brought it up because one thing that I didn't we didn't cover but there's you know one of the other things that kind of change over the time is the differ meeting times of Serena, Batman Right and. You know everybody has everybody wants to tell that story everybody wants to tell. Everybody has. Everybody was tell the first time the Batman compared met. And I know the one of the ones I've seen was. Six when when superman comes out and grabs Batman and thanks said again, it's something that was where I was like I see where I see where The initial confrontation between Batman and Superman and. BBS is like Sumerian, goes to Gotham sees Batman in decides if it was like, Hey, no, you're vigilantly I'm taking I don't do this but then when ends up happening is you know they end up they do they don't do as senators Movie right they, Talk. and. Listen. There's some bombs going off in here. You hope me and if you still feel the same way at the end like He. Tells them it's like you gotTA. Let me go because if you if you if you dag me a bombs going off the city's GonNa kill somebody innocent. Sooner like fuck. All right. Fine. I'm GONNA help you. So you helping they stop thought the thing on. The End Batman gives them the thing that was like, yeah the bombs on me. He was like, oh. So you were you were going. So the person the. Person Kill would have been used. Yes and that's white win superman and Batman kind of heads understanding about each other are like you. Also realize that Gotham is a little bit different than what would you doesn't mature and they leave without having a fight. They have a better understanding of each other and you see that are doing the they're on the same page doing the same thing and I think assuming leaves away Bongo's. When we could. We could be friends and it was funny because you look back. Like. They are friends. They're different. They come out a different way. But they are the same that sewer friends issue again with. Tom King like you just nails the relationship. It's like. Twenty pages right now different but the same and it's not all about darkness right? Like the way this woman talk the cart talks about Batman and be saying that he could be dark, but he's not like. They get it right and her miles doesn't and so. This John Byrne run kind of goes against burn Wolfman ordway. It goes through all this stuff and you know you go all the play and you really understand. Superman they show him overcoming all this stuff. They show him being this for for good and light and things like that and it's Yeah Yeah. Yeah that that's a great run. Do we want to get into now the deficit and in there. That's uncomfortable time. To minimize five. So with a black armband? Here's how important to manners. I argue that this issue killed Compos kilter COMBOS. Because you cashed in. On so much public faith Digital. Funerals. It made the fucking news. Anyone ever picking up a combo well. He's coming back right? Didn't they launched because at the time they were forced men books take a popular opinion was the time it wasn't just like they pop the rating. They Dan. Juergens in the fucking supermodel. Don't know he had their haircuts at work? Also. Say Death remain almost seventy five here but it ran over Superman. The man of Steel Justice League of America Superman. Adventures Adventures. Action comics a sermon. Actual rain. But right it's like it's like four different books that cover this entire story, the story of Doomsday coming? And eventually. Hard time. Invested in this and they pop that number. But they had to bring him back because. In Bucks into the Fortune Ferman. CYBORG radicals super. Boy Steel. And whether an arts known story and you've got to have it was a really kind of beautifully executed crossover. Honestly. But you build it as the death of the first superhero. And when you brought him back. You'd knows powers yet. There's something. False finish when you finish the one count the to cap it at all know the kickout, it's an effective storytelling tool. Less effective when overuse? Yes because if you kill him but then you bring back. All the way. In within the next couple issues, really give powers back. Hit the way you might want it to. The the eighty seven innings of return of the king. The punch. So And also the the public. Good. The publicly with colleagues books if you will these characters was damaged because. If, you're not ingrained in the shit. You have every right to feel like to. Speculate market exploded off this Chrome covers hall, of foils. You could say this comic books. Because they killed hope quite literally. Over, thought this well I don't think you ever thought it I mean it's it's because shortly after this, it's actually around this time because. I two years before this was extra number one right with the eleven covers for x number of that. So it's like it's around this time around the nineties. Right here, number seventy five but after this between that time in mid two thousand, maybe early two thousands maybe mid. Early two thousand, it was the everybody was trying to replicate super number five, seventy, five everybody trying to replicate how do we? Get people to buy as many copies as they did for. Five. Nightfall what was it? Right? You Know How do you? How do you? How do you? How do you Redo the and so what happens is you then become you're starting your now chasing after. Your now chasing after. Number and not the story right? You're. It's all as now more about how do we? It's now really become. A business, there's always been a business with that becomes editorial focus. Yes you. You've shown your paymasters, how much you can make. Now. The question is, why won't you always make that? Much right and. And, this is something we'll cover in in the next episode. It. Hurts. It. Hurts. It hurts. Six marble definitely goes through some stuff with his two. Well, by then we can really argue that this is also where DC really hurt so. What they do with do for this and and that you can get. That since his point while others have moved on. DC, still chasing after this. Yeah. They're still chasing after this feeling. I will say indefinite. Obviously, we kind of here's the funny thing I read this and I know we're skipping over doomsday, but the fact is like you don't get any details on, do say during the deficit. wieser terrifying. 'cause plot device that game the superman yeah. I don't even talk about the fucker. I'm here kills Renton and he's not exist, and after rereading is I kind of forgot at this point. Now, you've gotten more information on Doomsday enough about knowing Nelson remained bright enough about. But when you go back and read this door, you really dum say, just some some some thing that comes out of the ground. Kill Superman in in dies in that fight Wizar- they both die. And that's it and you're just like wait there's no stories like at one point you think maybe Kadam is know something about it or not. They don't give you any kind of details at least in Endeavour Women You know nothing about doomsday he just comes comes to men dies, and that's in your right and part of that comes from the idea of at this point so has been. Again the false false idea in a way that they need a ground swimming, they needed to face a fate that he couldn't come back from a needed something that was terrifying and it worked. But at the same time is always that thing of at what cost. Will because like I said, there are things that are lost here but I'll tell reading that it's affecting. because. What because what happens is? Really push it to your right who could be men literally a force of nature. Can Hurricane Is. Named Doomsday because bucer forgetting boost goals in this story. Goes like in the. In, the army is like. Doomsday. Doomsday not like name the this is what this is. Because of this creature has an A. Doesn't stop it keeps going through the League of America tries. Yeah they try to stop them. They get a they get. What would Yeah. It is got to be John. For, Comic It's twenty years thirty years old years old. Yeah. He tears through them. Bee's eleven shut everybody and it's literally up to Superman to stop. It sounds. And you also right and you also see Suman doing things like trying to stop doomsday while trying to save other people. So there's a scene where he's trying to stop doomsday, but it has to go back and save that kids mother who's in the in the fire, who of the House I got destroyed by Doomsday. You're seeing superman trying to do all the stuff. You're literally watch your hero die. Trying to give everything he can to stop to save his and also fail on the way. In Fail Right You know and and give everything he has and you get the lowest trying to tell them. No, don't go. You'll die him basing. You get those things and it's everything flight. I think you're right about manage deal with with Zach signed her even how I feel about the movie itself. Where this really comes in that though to me. Is really be a bvs. Because as soon as you realize Zach cider is telling the deficit Susan said they were I'm like, do they killed like your? They try to kill. Then when you rose, that's what they're gonNA do that they're going to have superman die. In this and I'm like. You haven't earned that. You. Thank you haven't. EARNED THAT In. What you've done with Jackson are always does is you've turned it into a plot. A cheap plot device. And See Getting we can. We. The bad. It will come out of. In terms of maybe killing off comics you say, when you read this these issues alone and back, it is effective because of the story is told how you get to this point. Had Not earned that and did not do that and they try to basically jumble three or four different kinds of story lines about superman into one none of them being effective and then you get him dying and it's Insulting. Insulting To dumb thing to do. And Yeah. So Boy. We did we did our forty mins. And didn't really got to go into like storylines and again the region we didn't do that because again, you can go read some of the stuff it's. To me this I want to present a character for a lot of his creation. He's in as as a vehicle which attempted to restore you want and because he was, he was a superhero so. A lot of the past it's. Introductions but explorations excited to talk about for modern commissioned the storytelling because. Really. That's where we got to kind of the Hawaiian but we're forces superman because there's some really good runs in here. Two Million Serbian. But some really. Yeah, and that's what we're going to a second part of this so. Yeah folks. Thanks very much for joining us on this one. We'll pick this up in partout sometime in September Yeah. Thanks very much for listening. Make sure your subscribe care to corner and We will be back soon. Thanks very much and into next radio piece.

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TitanTalk: The Titans Podcast

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Conner

"Yeah the titans go hello also wrote the season one finale Dick Grayson and he wrote a few other episodes including the episode Donna Troy my favorite episode darkness podcast that yours truly was on not too long ago on his first episode Talking Superman the movie we had a lot of fun it takes both of us just to replace Jesse but so those don't know nick is the wonderful host the first appearance of the Conner Kent Super Boy on Titans played of course by Joshua Orphan who I thought did amazing job as conner Kent Nicholas Adams Fan like I am we're GonNa talk connor the Rather uninteresting Lee name title episode for what do with some redecorating in my opinion ready to talk some more titan season two unfortunately my normal co host Jesse Jackson the whisky and cigarettes show and radio show and where he talks about country music but he's also the host of the happiness in listening and but thankfully to are coming to our rescue here in Titan talk is one of our favorite people you've heard him before Hey Charles I'm doing great thank you so much for having me on I'm really honored to actually be replacing such a huge written by Richard Tam or hate him a who wrote the episodes rose here in Titan season two again everyone welcome back to tighten talk the titans podcast I'm your host Charles Skaggs back in titans tower at least the basement of titans tower which could gift and decided to be a bit of a slacker this weekend and so he's off having a little mini vacation with his wife Linda so high Jesse if and this was the sixth episode of Season Two just came out a couple of our actually yesterday on October First Twenty nineteen were of course Dick Grayson Burns his robin costume at the end of the episode and before we get into our guest cast I wanted if you listen to our titans season one review and our doom patrol season one review welcome back to tighten talk Dj. Nick Hi Nick how are you doing that and I'll be making a return appearance sometime soon so I just teased that there you'll people start to talk to my of Titan Season One and two story was directed by Alex Kalymnos who directed the season one episode asylum that was the episode ask Nick Nick I'm guessing you've been watching tightened season two pretty regularly hopefully and I'm dying to know which parts of you tighten talk Jesse Jackson so you know I'm kind of feeding like the rookie stepping off the bench and getting on the ice to replace the star- here it sounds so here at episode forty two and the answer to the ultimate question of life the universe and everything if you're I personally really satisfied with it right but but I will add to that they have definitely kicked it up lunch it's definitely become what you've been thinking of the season so far since we haven't had a chance to talk to you about that yet well I know that there was a lot of backlash when it came to season one people don't particularly happy about it during the names they don't judge a book by its cover I guess in this case because the content is superb the the episodes titles could be the exception to the rule on that I think Yeah Jesse and I've talked that we are loving season two especially because just the overall tone you're enjoying tightened season two more than you were season one if I'm not mistaken well yes I think they definitely stepped up the game already had me in for season one seems to be a lot more of what we wanted from season one and I don't know if you share that opinion I know you you love season one so you were happy with it you were very content do yeah yeah that sophomore album is always a little harder for some people and but titans seems to be even more cohesive storytelling story wise the characters and brilliant aside from of course you know the titles being bit Banal is a much more upbeat tone to the season I think and we're getting the introduction of a lot of great characters this season connor can of course be one of those so we said well we have Mike People call your people will work at it as soon as I get some people I'll have them call you called ores number one henchmen hench woman inch person take your pick Essentially here as his nick yeah I would say that titans season one seemed to be more directed by Zack Snyder and titans season two security specialist as she's introduced who oversees things for him she's more the field operative for him and she's always in constant contact with we actually see her calling lex so there was a very nice direct connection almost to lex luther in the story but but Jesse and I think we were looking for something a little more and at least a little at least a little not so doom and gloom and and in to eat better and I think it's hard sometimes to it with anything you know an album music album for example you have a great debut it's even number two is usually the harder ones Rahul Rahul Baena I believe is Walter on the I want to say you did an amazing job as doctor Yves Watson the geneticists who goes through the gamut of emotions darker take on lex luther than we've seen on smallville before so introduced as superbowl slash Kent Louise Not Quite Super Bowl yet genevieve angel sin who is an actress I'm not familiar with but I thought she the story and Sarah Deacons got a cameo as Martha Kent so I was very happy to get little tease of Martha Kent in the story you've a very notable cataract in one eye and much more bitter is your comic book expertise go into the realm of Super Bowl at all or or or or you know how much does it go into Superman well this yes I am yes we've actually talked about that here in the podcast and young justice and I had a young justice vibe as I'm a huge fan of Superman I've read pretty much classic Superman from the origins only way up to today and so therefore I was introduced a super bowl I decided to go the titans route way he is a clone of Luther and Superman because obviously original he's just a clone of Superman but this case they wanted eh depressing yeah exactly yeah I think that's I think that's the way to go on this one I guess cast of course this week we get I like I said Joshua Orphan Doctor Yves Watson's kind of supervisor at Cadmus labs and Peter McNeil Played Lionel Luther only this version is a lot different but they haven't put like the watchmen Kinda Kinda tone weights reading everything so depressing and there's never happy moments car like those soap operas I think it was interesting how so far they also handled several characters. There's almost a game of thrones quality to as well because you're introduced to a character boob he dies from smallville Lana Luther primarily because this line owes much older is pretty much blind as we kind of see him with what would be a good comparison maybe who would you who just a little bit just Weeden Ish can props to the actor for being able to pull that off because it's often not easy to do that because sometimes you might have people who portray shall we say and emotionally stunted where people enjoying five seconds happens then boom you get news at somethings happens when these people ever happy give these people a break we say almost a regressed adults and it doesn't come across as being real shall we say or do you think this person I'm for is maybe suffering from unfortunate Salak through he's dead so it's an interesting take in that sense and I agree with you and you say about the it's not as dark I think they've maintained a gritty level from the Titan Teen Titans issues that were written by Geoff Johns back in the in the ninety hi thank okay hot hot in this maybe Joe Sweden maybe maybe the Russo brothers there you go yeah I think the resume benefit because it is gritty but it's not mental illness or something of that nature whereas he could actually feel like it was a child in an old man's body big if you will guess or maybe hostess because it was so successful and but yeah on I really enjoyed it and I thought it was interesting they decided to really focus on the fact that he has a very the roots of Superman lex luther I really enjoyed this particular portrayal and I also remind me a little bit I don't know if you familiar with young came out of the lab he doesn't have that life experience and we find out through the course of the episode and that he has these that the mentally at least emotionally connor is is very emotionally stunted he's not he's not mature enough yet because hey he just astle Natalie Google made or committee I wanNA take as mercy graves who of course is lex Luther these memories leftover from from Superman and he has memories leftover from lex Luther and obviously this was a concept like you talked about by introducing the concept that that connor is both good like Superman but also e infantile brain and he behaves like a child as in that everything's so new to him and he's very young instinctive when it comes to his reactions very child we get started with our main topics were you at all I'm not sure whether you're with a great comic background but view with a little bit of tweaking Baas and that's so fun radio enjoying the ride yeah so generally you would give this you would think you some problems throughout the episode so first and foremost what was your take on Joshua orphan `super boy episodes it's too ingrained in my mind if he's escaped from that from cadmus obviously different but there are a lot of similarities and so I have a feeling they might have taken something from those people were during the death of Superman or should say the post death of Superman events right where we find out that he is a clone of Superman and it was interesting I thought about this particular DNA and of course lex Luther B being behind the project cadmus labs and obviously that kind of sets up that makes them a little more unpredictable especially given his lack of emotional maturity and leads to obviously to be young actor right she's been in other stuff but it's nice sometimes to be introduced actors that you've never seen before you go in fresh and you don't have hey of course he's going to be the donor and Connor of course is the result now titans the TV series kind of takes that a little further S. when it came to the debut of Kana Kent because just the the the origins are very very very similar if you if you will I mean because I still conor being a clone of Superman he was like a fifty percent clone of Superman in a fifty percent clone of human to stabilize his tony all like lex Luther and he has because he has these conflicting memories his morality is sometimes that conflict we know from previous roles I really enjoyed him like I said I think he he he really played the pot radio well the just the it was just done so so well and he sold it holy incompletely and almost this relationship mother do we don't as we find out throughout this through story as we kind of as eve kind of peels back these layers and we get the ocean the constant swaying of emotions from wide eyed in surprise to two furious to apologetic he's later I go and say maybe early two thousands that you know that kind of John's introduced that concept that it wasn't just the down to the actual truth of her involvement in in Connor's creation I am an exact yeah yeah that that very much you know that this rather adult body but yes that is project to the exclusion of all else and so then when connor comes around and ask her asks her well hey can can I see used to a certain extent because when she first his Co. to the labs when when Kana breaks out you know she's wearing a an attractive evening dress cadmus jobs but but but she's isolated herself and just apparently it's been for years that she's poured into the gather that she's out partying but given her personality and we see her drinking brandy later in the truck exclusion of any kind of social life romantic life no she doesn't have any kids she doesn't even have a dog which may be explained why cryptos around ends up because of that she ends up getting in trouble with Walter who as we find out was trying to contact her all night and we you know she's talked we mercy mixed this comment that Eve is is pretty much devoted one thousand percent to this project have a certain candidate portrayed in mind because you're like okay I remember him doing this why is he doing that in you maybe expect something from an actor that you've honor was she actually out having fun or was she just dressed up to go out but really just sitting in a bar somewhere getting drinking drinking her sorrows away Ravi fending off all these guys trying to hit on her because she's dressed in a party dress but social life but it seems to not be able to happen for right or at the very least their you know she attempted to have that social life but all you mom I'm sure that definitely through her for a loop big time it's true and the fact about not having socialite it kind of I was new bitcon first off in centuries and it's like it's all it all goes horribly wrong so maybe there wasn't attend to there is an attempt of trying and she smells of alcohol or what have you and perfume sucking myself it might have been one of the few times this poor girl was actually maybe right on a pool me another one kind of situation trying to classy even though she's like I don't know at the Titans version of Mos for example Interactive Mart you know your opened the huge kind of worms because now I have a mental picture of Eve sitting alone in right in this dingy bar maybe it's nice to be left in the dark but to be honest chows I'm really curious to know more about her and maybe see something wants wanted to be alone drinking yeah maybe he just cares about her I guess her appearance outside of the office and just once they know what you think of his performance I to be honest I have not seen him in anything else I don't know if you have if he has been in anything else because he seems if it worked but it'd be interesting to see how she got picked up by Cadmus and this kind of thing so she's a very interesting character and I hope she'll be with us for a while obscure characters might not know much about Iran he wants the series to tell me something more about this person sometimes I wanNA date right or that nature and maybe a few times it gets totally dashed to pieces because there has to be a catastrophe like maybe the after after conor even crypto we need to talk about crypto in a minute but you know they're Kinda hit the hit the road everything goes predictably helter skelter and then eve when when actually confronted an expert to be overseeing everything so she stuck in a van and the team attacks Yeah I kinda see her as just like that that she may be intended to go out changed her mind ended up going to a hotel bar or something and just owed after this failed attempt where connor who ends up in Smallville Kansas son relationship he has with eve because suddenly begins to trust STA and is even ask us and I call your mom you know it's it's very it's very super boy is she basically decides Okay F. Cadmus I'm not going to do this anymore we're going to it's an interesting character and you know what made me where you want to know more about her past often I because I'm a huge fan of origin stories is going to let this go and I don't think we've seen the last of her personally now there is this one really powerful moment toward the end of the episode Flash Vaccine when she was actually starting on the project because when we hear about how enthusiastic she was and how much you want to do this and she says of course you wanted to conor she feels isn't mature enough to understand why he needs to lie low and so she takes him to San Francisco and and connor gets into it with like he wants to stop this one guy from so I don't think we seen the last of her at all now go ahead I'm sorry definitely hoping yeah yeah I think so I mean earing I believe it was something it was creepy by though it was kind of endearing well I mean you know Congress approaching it very innocently and Eve is going oil yeah I think I don't think we've seen the last of her especially given the fact that crypto ends up being captured and Connor was shot oh good because she values herself and so she didn't want to I'd know go in a sweat so what have you but I am Yes lab where essentially this is where connor was born so what did you think of of that before we get into the details aw I was actually happy that they did it because too often we have TV shows or movies where the character ends up befriending finds out gets terribly traumatized he turns on this person in the whole liar revealed kind of thing right I'm so glad they did not use that trump oh which of course is going to lead to his connection with the titans and they end up going to this abandoned facility that turns out to be an old cabinet word that's reference to a human being in Hindu mythology filled with bloodlust also count basically essentially they're referred right here with titans it's a much more the reactions are much more mature and adult so somebody who knows about that passed and doesn't tell them anything for ages and ages and ages and they might just disappear or something then the character goes Lionel Luther House mercy and her team ended up tracking them down and Eve is brought along as kind of like do things been abandoned and connor sees this reference to a project rock Shasta which Russia is a is a Hindu yeah obviously if if this show had been on the CW they would have dragged this out over the course of at least two seasons probably and she's she the Richard had him the writers really spent a lot of time developing her as a character so so I gotta think she's not who is abusing his girlfriend and dragging her into a car to a protests and well and then eve gets a little frustrated because as man eaters now whether we're going to get any pay off of that later on who knows but it doesn't exactly strike heartwarming tone to say the least are you a science experiments and eve this is where she kind of lays all her cards on the table and goes look remember when I told you that there are no bad okay we're going to get this out of the way immediately she's going to be the better person and say okay fine I'll take you to show you where you were made as it will way you were born and I really appreciate that granted it doesn't stop them from getting seriously to her but aside from that I appreciated the fact that they did not use that typical trope loan superman but he couldn't figure out how and she was the one who gave him the idea to stabilize the Tony and Jeanne's with human ones no no no no no no no let's not go there at all new which that was kind of funny we it's experiments well guess what I was lying I admit that sorry and she she says that you know lex one too when Eve's brings him to this facility and they go inside and obviously it's all kinds of creepy where because love you're not gonNa find out your origins until way later on and it's GonNa blow up in your face and you're going to trust in people etc so I really appreciated let's just let's get out of here and so they hit the road and they end up eventually they stop at an offer to like a little diner restaurant breath and they kind of get into this moral debate about which they kind of started in the car on the way there about the ethical value and so she gave him the idea to use his DNA on connor to create connor and connors unsure like what does that mean me bad and she tried does that make me a monster and she kind of takes him back to Oh quite right and he comes out and he realizes okay I guess I've met Lex Luther now because LEX has to be the most it's up to you but be careful what you wish for and so conor take rips open the door he goes inside he sees all these mutated bates subject nine and encounter even comes across one version where it looks pretty much like himself only horribly mutated because something didn't and and it was handled so just the the crisis he has his internal crisis ex essential existential crisis really do you know how do I how do I become a better person knowing who my parents are which way do I go and which way do I swing the human being on the planet to make that happen and he kind of wonders why am I a monster and Eve tries to reassure him that so so well together and also what I do appreciate is from the trip from Kansas to San Francisco let's be honest it's a long trip turned decide to be better so what did you think of that moral dilemma that the that that Connor struggled with and Eve tried to oh you're not a monster your you know your your your people just like me and you know you can be you it's up to you were how do I do something better and I really appreciate that and it really reinforces the chemistry between even connor and how well the prototypes previous versions as we find out in the in the episode subject thirteen but we kind of see the earlier versions you like like a child trying to comes to terms with the concepts of good and evil for the first time and it's like how how what am I supposed you work together and it's just so beautiful in the synergies just incredible I am my hat goes off to the costing department for costing these two because they just he does seem as I was saying like a child trying to ask somebody older than him or maybe it was looking fi the apparent or mental as she felt she had to that she was playing a role maybe it was what he would respond to cousteau herself to to a man child literally like one parent yeah so it could very well be you make a good point when when you say no the moral dilemma in really did guide him through and teach him about we'll see this kind of goes back to the fact of him saying you know I can I call you mom because she acting credibly parental when it comes if you or I had to suddenly hang out with a three year old and oh by the way I've gotta teach this three year old clone you know where the clone has to decide well do I want to be good or do I want to be evil and Eve as the scientists is to him from the parking lot when she yells aimed like you'd see a mother you ought to get back here and all this kind of thing is I think she almost however it's traveling half the country it's exact from Kansas to California yes but however the I think they gave us the impression that how do I teach him about the concepts of good and evil how would you go about doing that and so you know that would be needless to say a little bit impression it was like Oh we just had appointed from Kansas to San Francisco in Split seconds so I also appreciate that because sometimes think people missed that miss those caring enough about him as a person to want to see him survive because she knows what created the clone or helped create the clone she's guiding him through this and she's essentially being the one like if so because it deals with like the the philosophy of cloning and you know when when with the little bit you know maybe I know stopping some place just chatting little bit but it might have slowed the the momentum of the show of this episode down yeah but I think they gave us the Crypto you escape and I'll try to buy you some time so we re so here's the scientist who has been all about connor as an experiment word to say the least but but it's just it's it's great acting great writing and and taken a while and maybe they got to know each other a little bit granted they could a million given us a few scenes of them road tripping maybe just the of the US geography is sketchy at best. But I do know that Kansas is way over one but one side and San Francisco's we'll gather and even you know there's there's moments where she's talking and you're not sure well do I like her am I supposed to not like her and ultimately though she what cadmus labs will do to them if they get their hands on him again and so she says she's self sacrifices for him it w shows that she has of yet because he just seems crumple you know just fall to pieces where it's like one of my supposed to do how do I be a better person having ninety miles an hour to get there how did you get there so fast but but yeah as as a philosophy buff is fantastic and and I'm GonNa give bonus points just for making that reference because because it is such a great relevant reference to this episode brilliant episode by the way people if you check it out check it out because awesome awesome episodes and so I think it also depends on who has only in my wheelhouse by the way I thought as much because the flashes my jam and I'm a huge fan of the ninety s flash TV series she tries to help Connor Escape Chilton decides okay I'm GonNa stay behind Ugo off had to check herself when she did that she was like she was kind of Oh my God I'm turning into his mother I'm and then after that or is or is she doing that because who could totally tell him no superman the bad guy you have to go out and do this this and this break into a bank or do whatever but she's gone moral compass right because the fact that I could say okay maybe she's a cold scientist and she could I mean because in the wrong hands of course you find yourself with somebody with collins potential right so I could just talk about that show all day long so that's great that's fantastic before we get into our second topic let's talk about it was just really into the whole debate the moral debate of in a good science fiction does and this is a really good science fiction you in whose clutches character this power and up in you know luckily as I said Connor with a good person but as angry you know as no and they're John Wesley shipp handles it should say similarly to the way the the condos because he is once again the stunted child crypto for a moment I was geeky really hard about crypto in this episode how about how about you okay well I mean I love dogs absolutely nothing Q. I've always always looked for excuse to bring up the flash nineties jokes I love that show to bits it was a great comparison by the way so so bonus points for nick I'm GonNa give you one appoints their imaginary points that it was great was not so much fun cleaning up but that's another story but some as great as superman fan I always have a special place in my heart crypto actually do within such but in that case obviously he is ends up in the wrong hands where you have the bad scientists who is like you must do this this this and this and the flashes bad etc etc to tell you a lot yet as this one episode ratio show you remember actually cloned the flash and they create pollock's twin twin streaks actually when I was when I was growing up I actually used to dog sit inside she used to have you know puppies running around the house causing mayhem and that was that was a lot of fun quickly let's talk more about mercy here mercy graze and let's talk about her boss Walter what's his last name there that that rocket propelled grenade in mid air hurled it back out at the guy killed a guy but but still you know it wasn't just like oh he's going to fetch it now he he actually grabbed it in with his teeth and then hurled it right back out at the guy who who launched it at him that was that was great responding right to Joshua organ and behaving exactly like you would want a dog to be portrayed in in I don't know we'll find out fingers crossed though but it was very cool to see crypto and a lot of fun so all right topping number two let's get into that on compass kind of reminded me and I'm going to use a very very crazy reference to a ninety s flash episodes okay this is this is Walter Hudson played by Royal Baena and Lionel Luther and the the the much the with John Wesley Shipp so go for it out you and me both I mean that was one of the few shows that me and my sister actually agreed caves we actually have to fight over the remote for so that in dog that was a great dog actor he's Yeah I mean the way he you know he he seems so well trained and exactly the episode title fair you go exactly so so you know what I'm talking about and I think some of your listeners will probably know what we're talking about you say to hearts in the right place scourge US Minna cold signs say okay that's try on see what he can really do rather than sit down have a chat with him and I and I thought that was great on TV it was yeah credit to his trainer on that I don't know who this who's trainer was fantastic dog actor so exactly Creek Tony in palace how cool was it to see him housing heat vision make sure you have every single day down from birthdays anniversaries two everything pretty much but I really noticed that she was like when she was talking to don't get a little kate because I was gonna say I want to see the Cape so maybe at some point maybe eve or somebody will give him a Cape Yeah just the you know the the girls on the girlfriend so yeah exactly doc is a little bit like her boss in the sense that you know she's given an objective and she will do everything in her power to accomplish it and she always make sure she keeps boss happy because we know what things like okay you in Kansas in San Francisco how did you do that by call us but they dressed it well yes like we own am superman teasha featuring crypto it's just crypto on and so I love that t-shirt to bits and it's wonderful to see him actually used his leaf there but here mercy played far more straight Oh yes and that's why I suppose also a comic book I appreciated that Afar much more different take on land loser than we saw by John Glover on Smallville so what did you what did you think of you were geeking out at that moment and so yeah I love that I was awesome and then when he grabbed that almost profess to be like the the woman the chair right kind of like sit in Arkansas okay let's let the others do the groundwork I'm spearheading everything but everybody phone she told him that his father was okay at the House and she's like you know well I'll get an estimate for the Dan so I think she would have done that from the get-go but she was told like look we especially when you've made that that oversight lassie Euro we didn't get to see him fly but fingers crossed and hopefully at some point control of how the mission was going to be carried off because eve was involved because you notice that when once everything goes when she's addressing when addressing mercy and the the team that she said you know like edges so she's already looking out for his property value I guess she's the bodyguard you'd want to have I think I think you know sideways and mercy says okay that's it we're GonNa do things my way and she loads up her handgun with kryptonite bullets it's up to throughout the course of the second season I think I think it was more that she probably she wasn't really incomplete so once eve wasn't a factor anymore and was completely out of the picture she stepped up and it's like okay I'm we're going to do things there's and forty million dollars were not killing him so I think I think mercy was a little disheartened by that and seeing mercy graves and Land Lutheran this episode as well I have to say this I prefer this mercy graves to the most Graham swollen soup ago she you to follow Lexus Agenda Right yeah and you feel bad right obviously feel bad for Crypto I wanna know you know or whether it's just efficiency for efficiency's sake as being you know we have to get rid of the problem and if it means even killing this guy I've been wanting to do them from day one so take a much more aggressive stance I wonder whether there's a little bit of bloodlust in that woman You Know Oh well you know we had to do it because that's that's the the the prime objective is to put this person down you know kind of dead or alive scituate was more kind of us at bodyguards you know 'cause that's at the end of the day what she isn't she kind of Lexus head of security so she knows what she's doing and Department much paperwork I can only imagine well you know it'd be probably be very simple okay like that at all especially this version of mercy who seems just so ruthless just like lex and that's probably why she's still alive ah somebody was asked me who's your favorite been insulin super go I'd have

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Daily Nerd Brief September 17 2018

Talk Nerdy to Me

22:10 min | 2 years ago

Daily Nerd Brief September 17 2018

"Hey, listen. Not with me, hey, guys, we're going to start a new week off. It's Monday, and I got some news for you. I start with local comic shop day if you're not sure what that is. Let me tell you November seventeenth participating. Con bookstores will be offering exclusive limited titles, two different comic books from all the pretty much all the publishers. Some of them have already released. What's going to be available? DC comics will have a hard cover brave and bold, Batman, and Wonderwoman local comic shop. Day addition, this thing is going to collect the entire six issue miniseries one hundred fifty two pages give or take. It's going to be about twenty five bucks is should not be available to November. Seventeenth stores are not supposed to sell early. So local comic update, November seventeenth didn't pick up that hardcover brave and the bold that made me wonder. Woman DC also has dreamed lantern number one, local comic shop. Day addition, this is a the grant, the new grant Morrison written during lantern. This is just a regular comic book is not a heart. Ver- it's going to be four ninety nine about forty pages. So it's a little thicker than a normal comic book. You're getting some extra pages there for your money. We also have other publishers, like I said, for local comic shop day, that will have special comics available. Let me let me give you a little rundown here bleeding. Cool. The image comics is going to issue a Gideon falls hardcover for that day. Dark horse is going to have an exclusive alien three. The upper to stream play William Gibson's screenplay Ari told you about the DC comics marvel is stepping it up. They're going to have a limited edition marvel knights. Twentieth number one limited to five hundred copies worldwide only five hundred things are going to be made. If you can get your hands on one of those, you might wanna show up to the comic shops early and because I'm sure these things go pretty quick. They're also gonna have candy expert. Number one for marvel titan comics is going to have get this of fourteen cover set of doctor who the thirteenth. Dr. Number one for team covers, you'll be selling it as a set. So if you're big in a doctor who and you like the idea of this new doctor coming out the first female doctor, you might want to pick up this set. Let's see here. We also have from image comics, foil cover version of Blackbird number one by Sam Humphries in Jim Bartell. This is also going to be limited five hundred copies worldwide, five hundred to be popular number. When you consider there's over five hundred comic shops in the US, these will probably be allocated so your your comic shop might not get them. They're going to have to be lucky to get one of these. And if they do is gonna go quick. So don't sleep on these five hundred issue limited edition, comic books. Let's see. We also have. I told you about that one already. The doctor who I'm looking at, some of the covers know they have the photo covers, and there's so many, fourteen different covers a few variants. So local comic shop being November, seventeen, get your local comic shop. You can probably go line is see all next week or so, you'll rise the all the covers in comics. It'll be available for local comic shop day. Go get in line and hope that your store get some of these very limited five hundred issue comics. Let's jump. Jump tracks here. Go to wrestling wrassling. We got WW e. Brock Leser made a return in the Helena sell main event. Let me check the chat here. Boy toy. I wish we had come shop where I'm from only re digitally in local comic shop days. Probably not going to help unless you find a place that ships to you. And if they would ship the local comic shop day, stuff is probably going to be after the event and whatever's leftover. So sorry about that boy toy that you don't have a comic shop near you. Holiday I can say is try online to see places. You know, some of the bigger places my ship to you. Okay. Back the WB like I was saying. Brock Leser he's back. He made an appearance in a big appearance in Helena cellmate event. I'm, he kicked down the door. Walked in and a few people in left and what people are complaining about is how the match ended. It ended with no clear winner. They just. Both both the people in the cage were, I guess, for like knocked out, they're able to get up, continue pin, the other guy, so they they kinda just ended the match right there. And. Let's see exactly how they said it pay per view. Quickly went off the air before viewing is is, could hear the crowds chance of bullshit. They wanted to see a winner and WWE did not give them one. Wow. Yeah. I'm guessing WWE is building up to something they like to build the drama to keep people interested. So I'm sure they got something planned. Okay. Some bitter sweet news for you guys how to train your dragon, very popular movies and even couple TV series. They are going to be saying goodbye after this next movie, the way understand it is no more movies and no more TV series with how to train your dragon that, I guess are you know there's something to be said about going out on top. They are pretty good bogging box office draw the they do. Their TV shows do well. They're entertaining. Even the TV shows were just as entertaining as the movie, which doesn't happen often. They will be showing the newest movie how to train your dragging the hidden world March first twenty nineteen. If you pay dish trailers you, you heard hiccup say there used to be dragging when I was a boy. Well, what does that mean are the drag is going somewhere maybe this hidden world, they're going to go back to this hidden world to be safe from people trying to cause. There's always trying to enslave them or kill Omer. Their dragons are misunderstood race. So. Can't wait till March verse twenty nineteen. We can say our goodbyes to toothless and all the other dragons and no more how to train your dragon. No, correct. Let's see. Boy toy. We still waiting for the captain marvel teaser tomorrow. Yep, yes. We are boy. Captain marvel looking really good. She is she you've seen. She's going to be part of the crease scroll war. Obviously she's with star force for the cre- they kind of the creed don't know they, they like to experiment with humans, and that's how they invented the in humans g. is a very powerful character, and a lot of people are betting. She'll be the one that comes back and puts the smackdown on. Enos we'll we'll see. Okay. The primetime EMMY award seventieth annual Emmys believe that comes out tonight yet tonight. See eight PM eastern five Pacific. This. I'm getting more interested in this. I'm starting to watch more the. There's a lot better TV shows out now. I believe I wanna see game of thrones and west world how well they do along with other new comes cover, shows like glow, low, a big surprise, seasons, one, two. So if you're going watch the Emmys like I am tonight. You know what? Time six, six PM eastern and three PM Pacific us the red carpet start time. So if you wanna see all the celebrities come through on the red carpet, you gotta watch a little earlier or pizza six-pack, bear in wash the Emmys and watch Westworld and game of thrones battle it out for the most wards. Let's JIMBO over to comics. Now we have Batman, number fifty, five. They'll double nickel. They are bringing back a very one of my favorite Batman villains. KGB st- KGB's is. He is probably one of the only ones who came close to outmanoeuvring, Batman. In fact, he did out maneuver Melillo bit a few times. KGB's has. He's not going away. I mean, he's been in a few a lot episodes of EROs, specially the earlier ones and it totally can Nyas f, I think I'm pronouncing it right. KGB's was an aero. He was if you're paying attention, he was also in Batman versus superman, Donna Justice. Yeah, I don't know if you guys caught that that namedrop when lex Luther had Lois lane and Martha Kent kidnap. Yeah, that was totally in his guys, the KGB's so they they have been using them here and there. He's not been central since ten nights of the beast. You know, supposedly, they let up in the air. It was looted that Batman and left him trapped in a room down in the sewers of Gotham to die. But then they kind of went back later, read conned a little bit, and you know, as all what he had called the police to come and pick him up, don't believe that because the main reason he didn't want to turn him in the first place is he knew that he would be returned to Russia and that nothing would happen to me. It would just walk free. So I'm not buying. They just didn't want back man to look like a crazy murder, leaving the guy. They're just, you know, little Wayne die. I, I'm not buying that was a bad bed recon anyway. Anyway, he's out and Italy did get out. He is coming back to Gotham. They have a few preview pages here and he's coming back into the US Gotham of course, under a fake passport, you kinda know it's him. When you see the face, it looks a little later, but then you see his hook arm. If your member rate in. Tonight's, the bee's he was about to escape in Batman, used the the rope, the lab, his bat, LASSO, where you work all caught him around the arm. And was you know, had in caught hanging off of building instead of being caught KGB's driven, axe cut his arm off. So now he has a Cybernet. He had his arm arm now is just a hook. He's back in Gotham, MS Suming to Rick little havoc on Batman, maybe some revenge or maybe he just got hired to do something in Gotham. We will find out like KGB's do if you get a chance to the DC streaming service, you can probably go back in read ten nights of the beast. If you don't wanna go out and buy the singles, I'm sure it's out in trade paperback, great story, great character do a little. Even if you just going a PDF and read about KGB's lease, you'll have a little background on him before his big appearance in Batman number fifty, five. We have a world record here. Yeah, marvel comics is in the world records again for most Spiderman fans gathered at one most most people dressed Spiderman gathered in one location. They did this at a Kamikawa and Stockholm. They got a total of five hundred forty seven people dressed up as Spiderman and look at the patriots, nothing, but a sea of red and blue in this room. It's crazy. Not sure I maybe these costumes were provided by marvel or or by the con- because everyone of the costumes is the sex. Same. Is all the same design. So I've got imagine they probably provided that just so they could beat that world record. I'm okay with that. They got the record, five hundred forty, seven dudes dressed as Washington. I do men and women kids, people dressed as Spiderman hall stock old comics. That is crazy. Let's see of DC says these guys copy each other so much. Let's see if DC tries to do this now with batmans eightieth anniversary this year. Maybe we can get a ton of people dressed up as Batman, all in one place. Guinness rule book. Okay. Still in comics, speaker, Spider-Man. Let's talk a little bit about venom symbiosis of war. There may be some spoilers in here for venom. Number six. I've been telling you guys, you know venom, they've been recognized him a little bit. They're saying that symbol is not a spider symbol on his chest. It's actually dragon. He's able to spout how wings and fly around. He's just become even dental. You're finding a little bit more about his background. He's not the first symbol to hit the US or the earth. There were some more that I guess shield used as a strikeforce in Vietnam. One of those wreck Strickland was an ex shield agent. He had won the semio's. You find out all those symbiosis would merge together to form a huge dragon believes Grendel was a name. They. These these symbiosis were bred and are visited by this. God named null who is now come around. He wants to collect them all back. He was using them to do his bidding, fight his worse. The wreck Strickland who died, but the symbo maintained. The appearance of that wreck Strickland meets up with venom, venom convinces them to merge with him. So now venom has you know all his experience and thoughts brought him and Eddie Bracken all the other guys who he has been Simba with, but he's also got the all the merged thoughts, memories from wreck Strickland and that Symbicort. And he is, I mean, being Asia shield, he was well trained in tactics and weapons, and he's using that for his new appearance and. Is no Brad guns. Every word grenades just max. Imagine of rob lie-filled drew venom, just gratuitous guns and pouches, and knives and grenades. He's just a walking arsenal. This all just part of him. Now. He's trying to stop these other symbiosis. The other Grendel symbiosis from merging and flying back out to Clinton are to come reunite with knoll. This is been interesting. The whole fact that they use symbiosis during the Vietnam war and other conflicts. I'm kind of interested in that. I think it's really cool. We'll see how it goes him merging with the Rick Strickland symbiosis on September nineteenth, which is this comic book day coming up Wednesday. It's just venom. I like getting a little more backstory, low more explanation of the mythos venom of any character. Really. So the more we learn about venom, the more I'm I'm really liking him. So September nineteenth, this was a pickup venom number six. And you can see what I'm talking about, what this crazy over weaponized version of 'em. Let's see. Boy toy just like they copy Batman wedding now have been leash wedding, true boy toy, but they also teased a kitty and colossus wedding. Before that kidney clauses did not get married to other characters, did Rogin gambit, and now they are a couple and on our honeymoon and you can read Mr. MRs x. title with those two dealing with all the stuff going through during their have really got a proper Honey moves, I guess, mission right in the middle of it. So yeah, they, they do tend to copy quite a bit one. I'm has good idea. The other, the follow. Star Trek discovery. I've leave that still exclusive to the CBS streaming service. Gonna wait till it comes out if it ever does come out and definitely not. I guess I'll just by the season on Blu Ray and watch it. Rainn Wilson is coming back the Harry Mudd character the the vagabond smuggler swindler. What are you going to call him? He's he's coming back to Star Trek discovery on season two. If you don't know Harry Mudd he was actually on the original Star Trek series way back in the sixties. He was the scribe as an interstellar Rifter. He was one of those guys anything to make a buck and eat. He tried to marry rich, so he didn't have to work a rain, a whole bunch of scams and rainn Wilson is season. One did a pretty good job of playing Harry Mudd. I'm glad they're bringing him back. I love ring Wilson. Glad to see. He's got more work. So if you're a Star Trek fan and Star Trek discovery fan, just know season two, you're going to get more Harry Mudd played by rainn Wilson. Less article I have for y'all today supergirl as you know, she has Ruggles ours. Acts robos are the kind of hinted that he is the one who came in. It was a natural disaster destroyed crypt on there saying it was Ruggles are the, he just has this thing against proponents. He wants to kill them all. She's going to investigate this to find out if it's true. So she grabs the axe and jumps on his ship. She's going to go talk to the Greenlanders and dig through their archives to see the have anything in the history while the flying through space to act just freaked out activated in a destroyed the whole ship. This acts has got some very weird, mystical powers exit. Has that symbol on it that nobody can decipher. We know it's strong weapon because it can Pierce superman skin. There's not too many things that can do. Do that. And we find out in this newest issue of supergirl this, it also can change shape. She's going to talk to the green lanterns to find out what she can about what happened to crypt on the true story behind it, and maybe a little more about that. Acts, it changes shape right there in your hand from an act from this monstrous acts, this smaller look in hammer. So there's a this. This weapon does a lot of. Very strong does a lot of stuff that nobody's aware of. They haven't introduced all abilities yet, I'm sure and gathered energy. So I mean this very mysterious weapon. This is even more mysterious than Bruegel czar himself. I interested to see what they're going to do this weapon is she going to keep it news it. She has really needed she supergirl or they're going to gift this weapon to another -nother superhero. Not sure. Interesting. Supergirl number twenty two pick that up and you're going to see a lot more about Robles ours weapon, the big axe when he's holding it. I guess it can change whatever the wielder wanted to be. Maybe we'll find out more about what this thing is and what that symbol means on it. Okay. Like I said, that is the last article I have you guys. Please subscribe to this YouTube channel. Like this video leave a comment. If you're more podcast subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform download and listen to us gives a good rating. See all you guys tomorrow later nerds.

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Who Watches the Binge Watch?

Fandom Zone Podcast

1:08:04 hr | 7 months ago

Who Watches the Binge Watch?

"Hello again everyone. Welcome back to the zone podcast. Did you miss us? I missed us. I hope Jesse missed us. I missed us. Definitely all right so I'm Charles skaggs back in the basement of solitude because hey you know we're dealing with everyone's around the world has been dealing with Corona virus and I'm joined once again by my fellow host And wonderful person and someone who makes me smile. Every time I talk to him Jesse Jackson Doing Jesse Well Charles. You make me smile as well. It is so good to be back. I- I picture since Charles does so much of the heavy lifting on our episodes. I always picture that. He has a poster board small poster board on his monitor that says next stop everywhere Titan. Talk you know You know that Because I think we've been doing this multiple podcasts for multiple years right and I think it's once you were like okay. Wait wait a minute. I'm talking to Jesse. No this is next up everywhere. Well that's why have my notes because I can so I can focus my brain which show I'm talking about but You know it like like I said we know it's been a while that we haven't figured out really a show that we wanted to discuss you know. Obviously a lot of shows have been off the air and but just came up with an idea and Under let him explain this idea what we're GONNA do today on today's show as we try to remind everybody that hey still exist. Yes so Charleston I at and hopefully you guys are listening to next up everywhere. The doctor bought Gas Charleston. Are Continuing cover. A lot of great material that has happened during this hiatus. But we have debated what we're GONNA do I know that I'm really interested in star girl coming up so we may have to find time for that right He and I both enjoyed picard. But does that really fit our four mad and and and I just said you know there's a lot of people at home You do star Trek podcast. That a lot of a lot of people have been wanting us to do ooh look. Let's let's put a pin on that so there are people that are going out and and you're looking for new content okay There is not as many new shows on right. Now there is The film and television industry or kind of in shut down the same way we are and so during this time there is. You have should have a little extra. Tv watching time re can go back and catch up on things. You possibly may have missed or revisit things that you not watched it a long time and I brought that up to Charles Yeah that sounds like a great talk right so We kind of came from this two different angles so Charles his head groups and I'm GonNa let him explain that and then I have from those different groups have five specific series that I wanNA talk about. I Know Charles has at least for five that he wants to recommend or zero or twenty or thirty. So so we're going to start out with So what this is is in with our theme 'cause they're certainly. Tv shows that were based on comic books. That I would recommend you benching like if you've never watched twin peaks why not. Yeah if you have. Yes obviously fitting with our format as we because we review. Tv shows here on the fan of Zone So yeah just he thought you know. Hey let's talk about shows that People Can Binge. Watch as they're hiding out from the corona virus. You know maybe you've already done some of those and you're looking for other ideas so we kinda wanted to. Kinda give our suggestions recommendations about what shows everybody can watch and So what we're GONNA do. At least what a what a the way I've got this setup is that I like to break this down into Shows that are essentially long runs. Like if you're really looking to invest a lot of time into something so that would be shows that I classify as five seasons or more or you know shows that you know like maybe a good five season run that was really good and highly recommended and then then kind of go to a medium category where there's like maybe a few seasons say three or four if you're not looking to invest as much time and then if you're just kind of looking for something short to kind of tie you over We have a short run category. That's two seasons or less so one or two seasons Just something like if you're looking to kind of just like a quick burn to throw something to tide you over until a new show arrives. We've got that that's how it okay. That sounds really good. Are we gonNA go long short short too long? I think let's start long too short. I agree okay all right so so let's start right off the bat as we try to give our recommendations of what you can. Binge Watch and Long runs five seasons of more. Let's start with you Jesse would So if there's a show that's five seasons or more. What would you recommend? Do you have any of those shows in your recommendation list. I do is Zombie. That was one of mine. Yeah it was it's loosely based on the comic by Chris Robertson Out Artists Michael allred. Yeah Yeah Vertigo Comics series. Yeah Yeah I think some people may have skipped it. 'cause they're like okay? I've already got his Ambi- show right. I've got walking. Yeah Yeah walking dead something. This is a show that should not work because it is it is a pure procedural right The premise is that a live becomes Zombie accidentally. Right she eats a brain and she takes on the personality in the memories of the Brain. She eats and she solves a crime. So it's kind of a personally. It's kind of a procedural. Yeah but but it's also very very funny. It's very funny. Rose macgyver brilliant. Because she's such a talented actress you can take on the personalities of the brains that she eats. And that's kind of the premise. That every week sheets different brandon and they have a different personality trait. And she's able to do that. She's amazing it. It is amazing watching her. Do that One of the little treats that they do and I typically pick treats is she. She just doesn't take the brain matter and eats it. She cooks it a different way. Every episode very culinary recipe style. Yes like she may make quiche. She makes smoothie she may take Sushi. She burgers. I me and they do it through very quick. Cutting right in but you show her cooking each time right or French. Toast you name it. Yeah also great. Cast a rose macgyver. As you said she was Tinkerbell on once upon a time but David Anders yes from heroes once upon a time Ailey alias. Yeah is brilliant. Blame BLAME McDonnell. Yeah and Yeah he's he's basically the recurring villain but he's got some history with live like He ends up You know killing one of her lovers at one point. I won't say which one because I don't WanNa spoil that but you know so there's some antagonism there and he's a he's a basically he's one of those characters that kind of like Like Spike tends to stir the pot on buff. Yeah the vampire slayer yeah. Malcolm Goodwin plays Clive Avenue. Who is the police detective He doesn't know why live he thinks she's psychic or something She helps study. You know help solve the crimes we turns out. He is a closeted dragons. Dungeons and dragons player Game of Thrones Geek. Game of Thrones Geek. I just re watched the episode where Ravi played by row. Coli makes like finds out that that that clive is a secret. Game of thrones fan and has a lot of fun taunting him about that. Yeah and that Ravi is a wonderful character. He is at the beginning. The only person that knows live is a Zombie You Know Robert. Buckley plays her ex fiance. Major Lily White. He hasn't interesting car An interesting character arc If if you were going I don't need another Zombie. Show walking dead. Hits that mark in my watching. This is as far away from the walking dead as you can. It is funny. It's it's actually it places hopeful Ryan of just end in a great premise that they executed wonderful. Yeah I think so too. You know it just. It's it's a very charming. Show the walking dead. You know. Obviously you're more serious drama. Excuse me and but I Zombie Yeah. It's it's lighter but I mean it does have some dramatic moments But it's a very unpredictable. Show In just you know. Just it's it's such a great ensemble cast. Yes well said and I think. Charming is the perfect worm. This is a charming shows that you will love. And I think people who are not as big a fan of John Ratios would like this one because of the procedural part of it the built in comedy of a live taking on all these different personalities. Good stuff so this. The show ran five seasons so So obviously that fits into this category and as far as you know I as a fan is someone to watch all seasons. I can recommend that you don't have to skip any seasons. Each season is great. Yeah I totally colleague higher recommended. So how about you Charles? Do you have a long running one to recommend. Yeah I want to kind of get off his ambi- theme for just a bit because they do have other Zombie. Show to recommend. But I would recommend Smallville the first five seasons of Smallville to be specifically attached specific. Excuse me This is obviously based on the legend. Superman by DC comics so. I'm sure I don't need to go a lot into that detail because I'm sure a lot of people especially those that. Listen to this show. No Superman I'm sure. They know smallville this is this came out in two thousand one. It debuted shortly like the month after the September eleventh disaster and it was such a ray of sunshine after that in that dark dark period that we were in back then almost twenty years ago now and Basically it's the premise. Is You know it's it's the high school years of Clark Kent. The young man who grows up to become superman and it's his journey into becoming that hero that we know as Superman Set in Smallville Kansas his hometown growing up played by Tom. Welling and featuring Michael Rosenbaum as lex. Luther who they kind of go back to a more pre-crisis time where Lex and Clark grew up in Smallville together. So there's there's that relationship there They have that friendship that obviously turns antagonistic over time. And this is obviously before Lois Lane so to have a love interest we have Christian creatives Land Lang and If you've if you watch just the pilot episode alone for actually the first. The pilot the first hour pilot and the The second episode because when this first air they aired both back to back as a two hour pilot It's such a great opening. It draws you right in from the get-go your quickly invested in the Clark and Lana Romance and the dynamic is just fantastic. You've got other act. Great Actors got junk. Glover as Lionel Luther Alexis Father. Who because he said he so cruel? You kind of come to understand why LEX. Luther turned out the way he did. You have John Schneider and tool as Jonathan Martha Kent. Who In my opinion are the best depiction of of Mon- can't ever until I agree? I totally agree John. Snyder is fantastic. Sometimes very frustrating as he gets a little You know he's he's he's very over. Protective of Clark is afraid that people are gonNA find out about his powers but His character is handled so much. Better than say Kevin Costner. Jonathan Kent in man of steel to cite another example and an editorial who superman fans may remember from playing Lana Lang in Superman. Three returns to Superman here. But this time as as Clark's mother Martha Kent and she's just fabulous She's exactly you know they're they're exactly the parents that you would want. You would expect Who raised Clark from this? Wholesome background and make him the the you know the the true inspirational man that he grows up to be there the foundation of that. And it's such a great show. I'm sure Jesse would agree with me. Yeah absolutely but this is the show that if you're a fan of the modern. Cw Shows Superhero shows. Your air over shows. This is kind of the show that inspire that in which is one of the reasons why during the recent recent crisis on infinite earths crossover. They went back and asked Tom. Welling in Erica. Durant's to reprise their characters from Smallville as part of that because they they wanted to acknowledge that and and I just I just you know if if you're a fan of those like I said the CW shows you should definitely recommend. I've definitely recommend checking this out. You can find the episodes currently on Hulu I. I kinda surprised because you think this would be perfect for DC universe streaming service. You would think so but I guess wife Rights Wise. I think right now. Who owns the rights so probably until? Who The that expires at least for right. Now you can. You CAN CHECK OUT SMALLVILLE ON HULU. Good too. Good all right all right. So do you have any other shows? That are five sneezes or more I I'm certainly there are. Don't you give us a couple more? And then we'll move onto our next group. Well I just have one more obviously getting back to design me theme. I'm definitely recommend the walking dead is specifically the first eight seasons and the first five episodes of season nine because that's when in that that fifth episode of Season Nine. That's when Andrew Lincoln left as Rick. Grimes as a fan. I wasn't net like a lot of people. I wasn't a fan of the walking dead comic book until the TV show came out and then after being inspired enough I went back and read the walking dead comic by Robert Kirkman from image comics that this is based on and what the what the walking dead is is essentially. It's a it's it's it's set up as a never ending Zombie story. That essentially there was Zombie apocalypse. A lot of people you know. They're fighting to survive against you know this the Zombie outbreak and And You you but you get because of the you know the the serial aspect of the TV show you really get invested in the characters much more than you would in a regular Zombie movie. The they have so so much depth in heart and again this is another great unsolvable cast. You have Andrew Lincoln his Rick Grimes other actors throughout the seasons. Die Not Deny Guerrero as Michigan. Who obviously plays a Koiei later in Black Panther? Norman Rita Says Daryl Dixon who was the show's first breakout character Lauren Cohan as Maggie. this is where and you had a couple of great villains throughout the years yet. David Morrissey as the governor. You had Jeffrey Dean. Morgan has been and and and you become because you come really invested in these characters as they struggle to survive and you and It's it's not so much focused on. Zombies zombies become incidental. It's really the characters and and that struggle against other groups that are out there Some nice some not so nice and as a result You know it's that human conflict and so it's it's it's again you know. It may not be Your Cup of tea but it's really great drama and and I highly recommend it. Yeah one of the things that I am not normally a fan of horror right You know even down to. I didn't even watch swamp seeing swamp thing on DC universe of but I don't remember what drove me to Charles but Something or another are I guess. Maybe it was the press release or all the high but I turned into walking dead end. It was so well done right. It is Great production values redress and I have I have stuck with it I do agree that Sometimes it's a little dark and you're like come on. Can we win anything But I stuck with it and I agree with you. I think if you wanted to just do a short in not short but a limited binge of from the setup to Rick's Departure departure yes. I've yeah yeah we don't want to It's it's a really good if you look at it as his journey. That's really really nice exactly and I think yeah that's rick is Essentially the heart of the show. Yes and so. It's everything kind of centers around him. You see him. Becoming the leader of the group get end with all that entails the struggle to to get everybody keep everybody alive in responsibility and and the weight that brings down on him is it's just really gripping television and Highly recommend highly recommend it. Good all right so Let's move to are a few season. Run Category Okay so Do you have any in that? Three to four season range did agent. Carter make a third season or just to just to so I did not get a middle range. Help me out all right. I got a few right off the bat. All right I'll start with something Daredevil three seasons that were on. Netflix marvel pulled the plug on that. Disney. Rather pull the plug on that because Disney owns marvel If you're a fan of the daredevil comics or even if you're not what this is it's it's much more grounded superhero. Vigilante essentially kind of like like picture kind of Batman. Only without the ridiculous amount of money that Bruce Wayne has and fighting street level crime. In the neighborhood of Hell's kitchen New York We have Charlie Cox's Matt Murdock. Whose was blinded as a young boy by a radioactive isotope and he's trained By a kind of a like a Ninja like mentor named stick who was also blind and basically who trains Matt how to become a fighter and but matt also has this Because of the radioactive isotope he has the superpower that he essentially is able to broadcast of like a radar has like a radar cents so that he can see quote unquote without actually being able to see and so consequently he grows up he becomes an attorney and so he's basically attorney by day crimefighter by night and this is another. A great ensemble cast devereaux and walls. Karen Page Elton. Hinson is foggy Nelson. You may remember Debra an wall from the HBO series True Blood and A lot of other great civilans along the way that are brought in from the comics primarily Vincent Enough Rio who you may remember from the men in black movie. He plays the kingpin of Wilson Fisk. Who is probably like arguably one of the best comic book villains ever depicted onscreen so charismatic and this is another great gripping drama it takes the material very seriously and You John Burns off. Who was also on the walking dead playing the Punisher? Frank Castle and a low young as electra. The kind of bad girl from Matt's past who comes back later on and has also trained under stick and has very ninja-like fighting skills and It's just a it's a fantastic drama Lot of heart and a lot of Of Drama in the fact that you have met as this live low paid attorney who's just kind of has a little his own little business with foggy Nelson a fighting against the rich and powerful kingpin. Who has his has his web all over throughout web of corruption throughout the entire city and involving the cops. The you know the the mayor all that so so Is essentially the little guy fighting against The the the corrupt oppressor in the crime lord and it's it makes for for gripping drama my opinion. Yeah I agree. I think I would think most of our audience has watched this. But if you haven't yes you should go in so I really I really. I agree with you. Daredevil was a great. Yeah it's it's basically like if you know it's the superhero show. That's also a crime drama. Yeah so if YOU ENJOY CRIME DRAMAS. This show is right up your alley. Yeah and so I'll I'll share another one okay. Go ahead at lasted in. And this is if you are not. Let's say your spouse is not a fan of Superhero TV. Yes get Jessica Jones. Have Her Watch Jessica Jones That was in my short run by the way well three three episode season. Yeah but I only recommend one of them. Oh okay well. I recommend all three of them. Okay I think I think go ahead. The Kristen Ritter is so good playing. This messed up character She is in if you're a fan of of detective shows in this in people. You know I'm GonNa talk about another one coming up. We talk about short runs. Yes But I just love the way. They played this David tennant is brilliant as villain. Carrie Anne Moss placement essentially the from the comics who's this villain can mind control people and you see how scary dangerous mind control is as a power. Yes and You but here. He's playing the characters. Call Kill grave and just he's phenomenal in it. So if your doctor who finish it definitely watch? Yeah Johnson Season One Karen. Moss plays the attorney. Jerry Hogarth yes and I want a. I want a A. L. A. Law of law and order. You know whatever legal drama you WANNA use. Yes with her running a a you know set in the Marvel Universe playing firm is she is amazingly good yet evil at the same time. It's just. She is just wonderful. She's unscrupulous. Yeah Eah absolutely any others that you WANNA give a highlight to that have been in that Middle Range. The Middle Range Yeah Let's see obviously I wanNA. I WANNA recommend in Legion which was a show. That was Ran For three seasons on fx and started basically. It's like if you're an X. Men Fan you probably are familiar with legion. Aka David Haller. Who is the biological son of professor x Professor Charles Xavier and here? He's played by Dan Stevens. Who you may some of you may know from Downton Abbey but but David is essentially. You know he's this. He's a very powerful mutant because he's obviously the son of professor acts. Who was diagnosed with schizophrenia? As a young boy he ends up when the series begins. He's a psychiatric patient in this institution. Who Learns over the course of the series that he's the son of professor accent eventually discovers that his mind is affected by another mutant a parasitic mutant call the shadow king. Whose real name is a mall. Faruk who's the villain x men villain from the comics that has a Was the first evil mutant that professor x encountered in the comics and so There's kind of a history there as we discover throughout the course of the series that this was essentially the shadow king's revenge and because of his encounter with professor x who we do get to see in the third season by the way and Again another great ensemble. This is. Rachel Keller is sit Barrett who's David's Fellow patient in another patient in The institution who he falls in love with a bunch her her mutant power is that If she touches someone she switches bodies with them uncontrollably so she's essentially learned to become very distant. She wears long gloves. And it's almost kind of like a rogue taipower where She's very hesitant to to touch anyone. So it's a very Sympathy you you've immediately feel for this couple. You're immediately start shipping them. Aubrey Plaza who a lot of people may know from the office. And what other things that She's a phenomenal actress. She plays a dual role. She plays Lenny busker. Who Start is a a rather minor character who essentially David's kind of fellow drug drug junkie that he hung out with who ends up getting killed but then the shadow king essentially presents himself as Lenny in David's mind and so essentially so replies gets to play the shadow king at one point and she is phenomenal in this role. She's so scary Show so frightening and It's it's really compelling television your genes smart whose an actress that we talked about recently when we talked about watchmen. She's been on designing women. She's great here is Melanie. Bird and And we also had The shadow king being played later in later seasons two and three by Negga Bonn so we get the actual amount for real. We get to see him. And he's an extremely compelling villain as well so it's kind of an offbeat very psychedelic very quirky show. It's it's it's it's one of those that I recommend because it's one of those that kind of if you enjoy shows that kind of blow your mind. This is definitely that type of show. It's not going to be for everybody but if if you like something that kind of challenges you has phenomenal music and it just really innovative storytelling. I highly recommend Legion and that ran for three seasons. And it's on Hulu so I recommend I think I think this is a really good show that will benefit from being binged. Yes because I know that when I tried to pick up the second season yeah I was lost and In in I think this is something that it will work really well binging because it is very and when I say complex is just. There's a lot of moving parts right and a lot of different things and I think this would be a really good show that you will come back and go. Wow that was a lot of fun. Yeah so I agree. Okay do you have any other shows of midseason range? Nope nope no all right. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go ahead and just recommend one more then. Sure I recommend this is another show. That's also on Hulu preacher which was recently on AMC and that ran for four seasons and this was Another com another series based on DC Vertigo comic. This one was By garth Ennis and Oh I'm blanking on the artist's name. A Steve Dillon and What is the premise of this series? Is that you have this preacher named Jesse custer in this takes place in the south so it says very south southern influenced and he was in during this crisis of faith but he and while he's doing an enduring this he becomes infused with an extraordinary power of this kind of supernatural entity called Genesis and as a result. He gets this gift where he can. Kinda control people using his voice and he embarks on a quest to better understand this gift and also to literally find. God so essentially it's a literal quest for God and Egos alongside his trigger. Happy Girlfriend Tulip O'hare who's played by Ruth Negga who's a phenomenal actress. She's also appeared on each of shield and And also their newfound vampire friend Point Siamese Cassidy played by Joseph Gilgen. Whose whole Larry in the show but also very tragic because being an immortal you kind of feel for for what he's gone through over the course of the series but but he's he's Essentially like that kind of a he. He's not a vampire that lived up to his potential. Shall we say he kind of Scrambles to get by and You know does some very shady underhanded things at times so it's a very odd trio of lead characters but it's just a very you know if as long as you're not like someone that that maybe a easily offended. I definitely recommend this show. It could be occasionally blasphemous or just point that out there Full full disclosure but again a great an SAMBA. You had Some very odd quirky characters. That are just completely entertaining. Pip torrens as hair star the kind of villain of the story. Who is kind of like you know not really a Nazi per se. But he does kind of like act like a Nazi but he He is a bit of a joke. And he's he's a very funny entertaining villain. So it's it's it's very quirky again. Another quirky show but Very humorous at times and a definitely an. It's beautifully shot this show so if you enjoy that kind of thing. I definitely recommend preacher. Yeah it is. It is totally outside of my comfort zone. I tried to watch it. It is not a gal kin. The podcast loved it right But it is just not my cup of tea but it is something it is really well done so I agree with you. I think your assessment. And you're kind of ascriptin warning. Yes yes you know. Kind of. I'm what am I gonNA give some fair warning because someone that's easily offended? This would not be your show. Yeah it does get a bit Raunchy at times but But not all the time. Now that's good and yet this is a show that A friend of the show and former Co host on the fan zone. Podcast Karen Lindsey and I used to enjoy talking about here on the Phantom Zone so if you if you kind of want to go back and you know we've talked about a lot of these shows on the fan zone pockets if you WANNA go back and listen to some of our past phantom zone episodes where we've done episode reviews including preacher highly recommended. Good all right. Let's do a short short runs now. Yes all right. So do you have any short runs to like one or two seasons so I actually have four? Okay I'm guessing Asia. Carter is one of them. Yes when when when I originally was coming up with this thought I was trying to think of things that people may have missed. Yes That in in the hidden gems so yes Aged Carter did not get as many Is Watching it as we would have hoped It is It is now currently on Disney plus it was on. Abc A period piece With everyone's favourite spy Peggy Carter Hayley atwell playing a her By the way if you saw captain America the first Avenger. You're familiar. Peggy Carter yes By the way another reason. Not only. Because you love Bruce springsteen music to IRA glitched up at Bruce springsteen it's almost like the podcast is rebelling against that is yes like oh. I'm tired of that She is really good in that movie. Playing the support of teacher. Agent Carter is just a wonderful period. Piece it fights. It shows the sexism that someone would have to because it's like that. Yeah it's kind of set after World War Two so yes You have the Peggy who's essentially trying to get by in the world. Make her way in the workplace. You see her struggle against the sexism of the late forties early fifties. Yeah she smarter than everyone in the office. She's a better Investigator a better everything. All the way around right but because she isn't a man she is serious is really fun series of it. It is on my list of things that when people say. Oh what. We're short run series that you wish could have extended longer you know after everyone says firefly you know. Aged Carter is on my list. That is a show that I really would have loved. How about you Charles? Yeah it's a great show A lot of fun characters. A lot of great marvel nods. You hit Dominic Cooper who played Jesse custer on preacher playing Howard stark and then we had guest appearances by like neal. Mcdonald's Dum Dum Dugan Toby Jones who is also in doctor who episode Played Arnim Zola. One of captain. America's are Chinese and You in other actors like Ray. Wise guest appearing of us on twin peaks so Just a really phenomenal show and I wish it would have got at least a third season. I agree I really do think would love to see more of Healy. Atwells as Peggy Carter. She Soak evidently all right. I'm going to recommend you know this is a show that we've talked about here a little bit on the Phantom Zone but also on our late lamented dangerous habits to Constantine podcast the Constantine. Tv show that was on NBC. Ran For just one season on. Nbc currently could be found on DC universe. Starring Matt Ryan Is John. Constantine Angelica Slezak Martin. Charles Salford is his Constantine's little kind of best friend. Chas Chandler and we also had other actors like Harold Perrineau from lost as many and a an angel Other guests cast with great the Great Jeremy. Dvd's as Richie Simpson. Who's been on lost and a lot of other great shows? Emma J SCANLAN pay Jim Corrigan. The Future Spector. Who had the show lasted longer? We probably would have gotten to see the specter him as the specter but yeah. This is a very underrated show. It was buried on on a Friday night time. Slot by NBC. Who obviously did not have much faith in it but for an NBC show This really captured the spirit of the character. Matt Ryan became an instant fan favorite as John. Constantine so much so. That fans kept begging after the show is cancelled and everybody went through their save. Constantine Hashtag campaign that he was brought back as John. Constantine on Ero and Ultimately it became a regular on ledges tomorrow so if you want to kind of see where he came from and this is a very very heavy supernatural drama. John John is essentially that If you're not familiar with the character he's essentially A A a British kind of not really a conman. But but essentially he's someone who's had a lifelong experience with supernatural He's an expert in the occult and Ultimately you know he's he's obviously drawn to these mysteries. He's basically a supernatural detective. And so if you you look kind of like in the in the In the Jim Butcher novels the Harry Dresden novels that so yeah so if you enjoy that kind of thing but essentially as Harry Dresden as a very cocky rebellious British person very charming very very ending matic. And if you enjoy that sort of thing I would definitely recommend. Constantine yeah absolutely. I totally agree and of course. Dc COMICS HELP laser. What's kind of Nice though? Is we by by fans and also I think Stephen? A Mel a lot of other people on the creative end getting him. Part of the verse was a really Nice You Know Lucifer didn't make my list but it could very well easily have done. It made yours. That was on the Yeah my few season runs. Yeah Four Seasons so yeah So here's one way back in two thousand two birds of prey came out and this was a CW show before the era votes happened I was lucky enough to meet Ashley Scott Dina buyers and Rachel Scars Than All at Dragon Con a few years ago And all of them said absolutely we were just a few years too early This is not a perfect for season. It is it has all the wards of you know it's Black Canary Oracle in the huntress set in a Gotham where Batman has left and They're in it's It is it. It has its flaws. But I think it's worth watching the season for seeing the three leads Performances in in seeing the potential. What could happen? Who's just a super powerful female lead story that I really wish we could have gotten more in more episodes. Yeah because this is essentially because of the popularity of Smallville the WB network at the time different attempted to Kind of recapture. Do a little bit something with that only this time with the Batman side of the DC universe and this was an attempt that just simply failed. Yeah Okay Good. All right so Something that's come out recently. I want to recommend that. If you're a netflix viewer. I recommend the umbrella academy which is a show. That's only run for one season so far there is going to be a second season and What this is is it's if we've talked about the doom patrol and that's another show on a recommend but We've talked about that on Titan talk and wh- and if you enjoy the doom patrol. I think you would absolutely enjoy the umbrella academy it's very quirky seems to be kind of common theme with me. Superhero team than in. The premise with this one is on October first. One thousand nine hundred nine. There were forty three women around. The world gave birth simultaneously despite none of them. Showing any sign of pregnancy until labor began and seven of those children are adopted by an eccentric billionaire named Sir Reginald Hargreaves who raises each of the of the babies who was able to acquire and grows them up as kind of Superhero Team. The umbrella academy and so so they have that history as children working for a cer- retinal hargreaves but after his mysterious disappearance. We don't really know the circumstances of which yet they've kind of gone their separate ways but then as the series begins there brought back as an adult as adults apart from The mysterious number five. Who's played by a young man named Aiden Gallagher who's a time traveler and doesn't age physically so he still trapped in the form of a young boy and Again IT'S A. It's a family of misfits and you've got other actors like Ellen page who's kind of like the star the star name of the show Plays Vanya Hargreaves this kind of member of the family number seven who was kind of ignored by Sir. Reginald Hargreaves who eventually because she didn't show as much potential as a hero her powers weren't as as as overt and helpful as some of the others so she's kind of ignored and then ultimately you find out the wall. Hey the reason. She was ignored by Reginald. Was that she's the most powerful member of the team. And so it's it's it's it's a very interesting family drama at the same time but But also being a superhero show in a in a bit. But only they're not in costume so it's not like a traditional. Cw Air over show. It's much more like I said in the vein of do patrol and I highly recommend it. It is on my list to bench. You've talked about it but you've enjoyed it. I think this is a show that if you watch it. I think this would be something you'd want to discuss the Phantom Zone. Yeah we may have to do that. Good so I have I have to discuss one I'm GonNa do I This is an older series. I've talked about this before many times. The Middle Man. It is a series of two thousand eight it came it was on the It was on like the family network or something not a mainstream. It's based on the book by Heavier. Gril Leo Mark Suresh. Okay Yeah Who's lost writer You know how it is in comic books how there's always a lot of mad scientists androids and robots all trying to either destroy the world and take it over well. It really does happen like that. And the middleman is the one who is stands between that. A Matt Kessler. Who's not done? A lot other stuff played the middleman. Nellie Morales who has had this great career Claire on the grinder gleaned green fury on powerless. She is the voice of Lois Lane in the current Harley Quinn series of plays child so highly recommend by the way yeah I adore the series. This is you know how there is plenty of series that Charles like Oh i WanNa talk to Jesse about this. I want to talk about this. This is the top of my list that I want Charles to watch some time so we can talk about. I adore this series. And I know you. You've obviously wanted me to talk about this even sent me the DVD play. It's like when you watch this already. So it's it's one of those. I still have the DVD's it's on my pile. What we should do is plan on. We should do the umbrella academy in this will that we. Let's get that on the schedule. All right. You've got another one or do you want me to get my last I'll go ahead and get another one Somebo- something right. Now that you should take advantage of I definitely recommend checking out pennyworth which is a show Only had one season so far. It's on epic's but right now epic's is doing a a special like that. You should be if you're a spectrum cable you should be able to To Watch epics and what this is. It's from the creators of Gotham. But it's a much more serious drama than Gotham was Gotham. We've talked about that here in the Phantom zone pockets. It's been a bit of a campy show at times but this one. It's it's a much more adult drama. Then the sense of say I should say a more CH- more sophisticated drama and what? The premise of this one explores the early life of Alfred. Pennyworth from Gotham only he was a former British. Sas At officer for me who forms his own security company in an alternate London which kind of combines aspects of London in the nineteen fifties and sixties. So it's kind of a period piece and the production values are superb on this. Show one of the things that when even with them being so can't be you couldn't really fall the production values on that show. It was a very very it looked great visually and and here they really capture the spirit of the of the time in a setting they fully embrace it and Alfred Through the course of the first season becomes a target of this Raven Society. Kind of you know the kind of secret society group that's a conspiring to take over the British government's and Jack Bannon who plays Alfred is superb in the raw. Now we talked about how Great Sean Pertwee was as Alfred on Gotham but But Jack Bannon is is phenomenal as a young Alfred. He's very confident of various. Sure knows exactly what he's doing. You get his earliest encounters with Ben Aldrich plays Thomas Wayne Emma pets. Who Plays Martha Kane? So this is before Thomas Martha even getting married. And so this essentially as the foundation of his friendship and relationship with the Wayne's before becoming Before working for them we have paloma faith. Who's kind of a a British Popstar? At the moment. She does a great cover of inaccessible. Never terrassa part that. I highly recommend she plays a kind of a little bit little bit of a psychopathic villain named Bet Sykes Who IS Kind of like a working class type but also surprisingly effective villain at times gene Jason Fleming. Who Played Mr Hyde in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? He's Lord James Are Witness and a lot of other great actors just a Purba Setting a period a period drama that I highly recommend in Especially if you're a bad fan you you're thinking well. Why do I wanNA watch show about Alfred? Well this is a great show. It's almost kind of like a like a sixty spy series. I I was exactly say I you know it has flavors of the Kingsman yes James Bond The Jack reacher. If you've ever read those novels it is a very complete world that has just enough of the Dash Eunice and craziness of Gotham but not not to go. Overboard like often did right. It's just a little bit of seasoning enough. Yes yeah I agree with you. That is a water balance. It is it is. They've really did well search. So if you're one of those people that may have been turned off a little bit by Gotham being a little too silly and were worried that Pennyworth might be in that same thing. Just it's okay. You know this is this is this is better than Gotham yet. This is more intone and they are nothing alike but agent. Carter is period piece. That's taking this serious and signed done. Yeah all right so my current one in in. It's not too late. You know one of the things that we're talking about is were binging series. That we wish had gotten More time right Stumped town is a series based on The comic book by Greg Recco and right bracket is an amazing writer and the premise of this is. There is a very smart Aleck. Breen veteran who becomes a private investigator kind of by accident in Portland? Oregon of her brother has down syndrome. She is A functioning alcoholic best. She is A chronic gambler. She is the Rockford files. Meet the the Dresden files I mean that is this. She is totally her. World is totally messed up and decks. Is the character. A Kobe smothers from the vendors. High met your mother. Plays the lead Is just brilliant in this role and I really recommend if you are a fan of any of the Rockford files address files any of these kind of Flawed detective shows. Yeah it is. It is just perfect. Yeah that sounds good and Yeah kick go wrong with a comic book created by Greg Rocco so absolutely yes in Kobe. Smothers is just wonderful in this In place her to the flaw just wonderful all right you got another Charles. I'll just You know just looking at the time. We should probably kind of wrap this up a little bit going but Okay so I just give some very quick recommendations of shows what I've got left on my list. Kind of going back to a few season runs of three or four seasons. I would recommend The first three seasons of agents of shield. It's currently on Netflix. Right now if you're familiar at all with that the flash. Obviously I'm going to recommend the flash because hey it's me recommend the first three seasons of the twenty fourteen version the current one. That's on the CW. Starring Green Guston is Barry Allen and candice. Patent is Iris West Allen. I recommend that the and then back to short runs. I'm going to recommend the first season of black lightning which is currently on Net flicks starring Chris Williams Jefferson Pierce China. End McLean is is daughter. Jennifer Pierce in Williams as other daughter. Anissa Pierce can very family like a family superheroes so if you enjoy that sort of thing definitely recommend the first season of that the boy season wine which we've talked about here on the fan zone you and I a little bit. We didn't go through each episode but we did kind of do a season review and that's currently on Amazon prime starring. Karl urban is billy. Butcher jet quotas hughie Campbell Antony Stars the Homeland Erin Moriarty is Star light definitely recommended. Do patrol season wine We've talked about that on Titan talk and that's on DC universe obviously and where. We and starring Brennan Frazier AS ROBOT. Man. Matt Bomer has negative man April last woman. Diane Guerrero is phenomenal is crazy Jane. Timothy Dalton is the chief in to acres Mr. Nobody I just really watched the pilot of that last night and just amazing show. I cannot wait for season two. I'm dying for season two already. Also recommend the flash the nineteen ninety version. That's currently you can find. Dc Universe Starring of course Jon. Wesley ship is Berry Allen. Amanda pays his team McGee In in Mark Hamill as the trickster worth it alone just to watch mar- Campbell's the trickster. In my opinion a great show again. This is another show. Kinda like Smallville that was kind of the inspiration for the modern. Cw shows crypt on seasons one and two which we talked about here on the fan zone. It's currently on DC universe. Luke Cage Season One. That's on Netflix. Starring Mike Colter as Luke Cage. Marsha Ali great actor is Cornell caught enough Stokes Simone Mexico's Misty Knight. Now Frey woodard is Mariah dillard and Rosario Dawson Claire Temple. And then lastly of course. I have to recommend watchman because that is a phenomenal single season. Show maybe you know only one season that we've talked about here on the Phantom Zone. Of course during the Great Regina King Esther Night Yeah Abdul Mateen as Calabar her husband who becomes someone very very important and I'm not gonNA spoil for you. Jean Smart as Laurie. Blake. Jeremy Irons as Ozzie Mandy. S any others. You WanNA recommend. I think I think you you mentioned some several great ones The especially If you've if you've resisted watching watchmen I really I think you'll be surprised how well that is done. I agree with you. Yeah You know there's there's that's current. Hbo and Man by the way. Yeah I just I echo all those yep so Some great so there's one or two ideas from us. Yeah help tight you through Get you through hopefully. Hopefully we keep hoping that things are GonNa Return back to normal. But I think it's going to be a slow gradual process so As you we you know we. We still stay in our seclusion. Hopefully this'll give you some ideas absolutely In Hey yes Charles. If they decide to take our advice and WANNA send us feedback on what they saw and Wants to tell us either. Yea We were wonderful in grade a great examples in great advice or boo. I can't believe we Recommended this show. How could they well? Hopefully you enjoy our recommendations but on the off chance that you don't either way please write to us. Let us know because Obviously we're going to be. We're going to be back eventually with the show to talk about and I would love to get your feedback. We do get your email so drop us a line at Phantom Zone. Cast at gmail.com. That's phantom zone cast gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you. Let us know how you. 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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 63: Krypton and Supergirl

GSMC SciFi Podcast

37:48 min | 2 years ago

GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 63: Krypton and Supergirl

"To learn is Ron Don from my eyes law about it. Ooh, somebody. A body fun. Somebody. Alexa play hits from Queen. Okay. With Amazon music of voices. All you need get tens of millions of songs, download the Amazon music app today, cooling state media concepts. Side podcast gather. We dive into the world that Seifi science fiction from episodes of Star Trek Star Wars to resident in all the of you science-fiction movie from the backdoor marvel or DC Golden State media cut such Sifi pipe cats. You'll never get signed station the same way. Again. Hello and welcome to a special edition of Jesus MC Sifi podcast. You may remember my voice from last week when I introduced the episode. My name is Sarah, and the scifi podcast is brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I am here to introduce another episode. We are very close to getting a new host for the show. So look forward to that. In the meantime, I'm going to give you two segments from our television podcast who which is hosted by Keith. Those segments are from two different shows, but they are related. He will talk about crypt on and supergirl. So without further ado, let's go ahead and get started with Keith on the television to podcast talking about krypton and supergirl. Hey, welcome back people. This is kief. You listen to Golden State me to concepts television podcast. And next on our list is krypton. Yes. This is on the scifi network debuted last week. And while I'm excited about this show first and foremost for those of you who watched the main steel movie that came out years ago with him, Kavila superman, one of the things that we got to see what the superman universe this time was krypton look different, and then the krypton from the superman original movie with Christopher Reeve and Marlon Brando where it was kind of icy and cold looking. No, you got this dragons and all kinds of different things that it was a whole different type in universe. So this crypt on TV series, basically, you might think it's a prequel, but it's not. It does go back into Superman's home world. Cal. He is from the house of l. and it focuses around his grandfather Segi l. as EG dash e l. so. And what do we what do I? What do I begin? So basically on krypton. What you have is that everyone has a house that they come from. And when you're walking around your family crest is on your clothing so that people can identify what house you're from. So we know at this moment in time that s that we look at on earth, the precipitates logo stands for hope, but that's the symbol for the house of crip town. So Embiid TV show Sehgal. Like I said, it's. The superman grandfather. His gray. His grandfather is name is ball l. and he is a famous scientist on krypton and it's the AL dash e l. he's the patriots or the family. As a scientist, he has discovered that there is life outside of krypton and to speak of this as considered Mike heresy or blasphemy on krypton. You're not supposed to say that or believe in that and this new religion of row is on the. Is rising within Tony government. And so the government believes that, you know crypto only plan that exists. So basically what happens is that because Val l. scientists has been doing research and he has, no, he has proof that does laugh house had a crypt time, but no one took the CRA, Tony government doesn't wanna hear that. They have a trial for him. They find him guilty and they decide to execute him and strip him of his house rank because he refuses to denounce his beliefs, a scientific thoughts and beliefs. So sec l. as a little boy and his parents are there at this trial, so they watch their patriots, you know, they're, you know, his dad's father and his grandfather get executed and basically about l. tells his grandson, stay strong, stay with your beliefs. Don't worry about me, say true to who. You are and before he gets executed, they strip all of them are that s off their chest, which means they'll have no rank on town and with no rank that means you basically considered, you know, lower class or poor class. I hate even using that word. I hate that word, but for this for this context of the story, the paint, the picture. That's what happens. So what happens is like maybe over ten years later after he's been executed and they've been stripped of their rank, you say l.. You know, in lower quadrant of of the city of candor candles, they live in Kantor has a lot to do later in Maine, university becomes, you know, if you've read those comics, you understand candor at one point became got shrunken down to size and putting a bottle. So it was. It was like a one point, the last survivor of krypton after Superman's death and took men and even know for a long time. So basically, say l. is running mica fighting scam with a friend of his just to make money just to get by in may do while his parents are still working in doing their thing. They just don't have any rank. So and Sissel Sehgal is kind of lost. He's not sure where he's gonna wind up. He's going to go. And what happens in this first episode is that you see the he even though. Oh, he's not sure of where his life is opposed to go. He still has a very strong sense. What is right and what is wrong in regards to how you treat people and sometimes you don't. You know, sometimes some people may not have empathy for others until they go through similar trials and tribulations, and that might have been what happened to say l. or he just might have always had that kind of good heart. So this show focuses on the house of l. but also focuses on wait for it. So. After you see Val elegant executed and their rank stripped from them. And you see Sehgal with his friend who's running fight clip kind of scam to make some money. They're cut to a scene this dark hall or lecture hall or dark quarters. It's like a gym. Let me say that. And you see this woman, she's fighting well, she gets chosen the fight and she loses the the fight that she's it's combat. It's basically a military, crickets, Camden military and the head of his military is a woman name, Jana Ziad or John Assad is j. j. a. y. in a dash side. Yep, folks. You guessed it house Zaid. So it appears that she is be ancestor of generals that we see no Superman's. Foil. His foe is very dangerous. Could Tony info. So. You see, Jana, and she has been sparring with someone this other young, what this young woman younger than her. And you find out that this young woman that she sparring with is actually her daughter leaders. And Leah, you know, wants to impress her mom and she wants to be a great soldier because they come from the moment of soldiers. And basically what happens is that. She loses the combat. She has to get stronger and learn. You find out that she has been bound to a man named dive Dev em. He's a koneohe soldier. So on krypton the marriages are arranged bound to somebody. So you don't really have a saying that the family chooses and when you have children, they go through perfect chambers, natural childbirth has been outdated on krypton and when they mix your DNA with your with your new spouse, if they can tell you what this child is going to be, what kind of position and future they'll have their futuristic very interesting stuff. So you find out through a chain of events. Some some canyon soldiers are coming down to the quarters where sag l. lives and one soldier starts picking on the older elderly person who's you know. Handicapped for the most part. And sale comes was defense any sticks up for him and when certain people from the military or the government see this. He gets he gets chosen to be bound to another one young woman named Nisa vex. Pardon me while I jump in here, we do have to take our first break of the podcast, but when we come back, Keith will finish up the segment on crypt on and then move onto our second show of this episode which is super girl. So stay tuned. You're listening to the GMC Sifi podcast, and we'll be right back. Huge, huge, close enough. So that's base between you and me lose the way all dance and sway into the music girl. They embody and how you move. And every time you cross my girl Losey Alexa play the country heat playlist. Okay. Amazon, music voices. All you need, get tens of millions of songs, download the Amazon music app today, find out that thing. You see unto embroi- lag and lag. And I would. In this, hey, we have. We've. We've been Alexa play Arianna 'Grande. Okay. With Amazon music of voices. All you need, get tens of millions of songs, download the Amazon music app today. Find out what movies to go. See then check out the GMC movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies, whether it's a new blockbuster event romantic comedy or action flick, this show has got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See now don't bother what's hot on Netflix and everything in between that GSM see podcast dot com back slash movie dash podcast. When it's all about the movies, it has to be this new show. Don't forget to like on Facebook and follow them on Twitter, visit GS MC podcast dot com for more info. He. Welcome back to the and the scifi podcast. This special edition of the television podcast on this. I five podcast. So before the break, Keith was talking about krypton he's going to wrap that up and then move onto supergirl. So let's go ahead and get back to Keith. Who her father is the man who stripped to ELS of their their family rank. So basically he's bound to her, but he's actually in love with leaders out. So there's a whole Romeo and Juliet thing going on. So he's not supposed to have anything to do with her. She's not supposed to have anything to do with him because he has no, right? So they can. They can't future together, but they're in love and they're both bound to other people. So the story gets kinda later really cool. So all that's going on. But then also, you know, sex happened to deal with all that. And he pops he wants it meeting a guy named Adam strange whose from earth, and he comes looking for Sega, and he tells them, hey. I'm from earth. And on that planet, your grandson becomes the greatest superhero. The world's ever seen superman, and I need your help to make sure that he survives so much come here to wipe out your race and wipe out your your bloodline. So he won't ever exist and say l. is like, you know, what would you? How would you feel someone told you that you like is this guy on some drugs? What's going on? He can't believe that firsthand. He's just like this guy. Sounds crazy. So he tells his parents and Adam strange gives say the house of l. this crystal, this used to open a fortress of solitude. He shows it to his parents and the father tries to take and say, well, let me take a look at it. You know, don't don't listen to what he's saying, but I'll take a look in the best gated and the story just goes from there. I don't want to give away anymore, but it's a great story. I'm very happy. So it's so basically what happens if is Adam strange, doesn't. Help say l. prevent the destruction of the house of else. Bloodline superman never exist. So like I said, it's not really a prequel because it's kind of in the middle, you're getting the background, but there's future and it's going to be other DC characters popping up his universe on krypton. So this is definitely a show you wanna watch. I really enjoyed it. It's on the scifi network. Check it out. It's a whole new chapter in superman Sada. So for those you don't know, I'm pretty sure must be probably already do supergirl iconic superhero from DC comics. She is the first cousin of superman. Her cousin's name is Kelly. That's his name. Her Tonia name is CARA sorrow. So their first cousins through Superman's father, Jarrell, and Caras father, Zoro brothers. So of course. So the series has been on the CW for awhile started off TBS and then the ratings were good, but they weren't allegedly CBS gutsy move to the over the CW which probably just should've been on there to start off with anyway. So yeah, but. The latest episode was called dark side of the moon, and there's a reason why I want to talk about this. So what I've noticed on supergirl as that they've been real cool about bringing back former stars from the different superman franchises like dean, Cain plays super girls adopted father. The came was from Lois and Clark dimensions to superman on ABC Erica Durance. The other day, you know, on this episode doctor, they moved plays super girl's mother. Erica Durance was Lois lane on smallville. So. And Helen Slater plays super girl's, adoptive mom on the TV series. And Hello later seasonal supergirl and the in the movie. So so it's pretty cool to see how they're bringing people back and having them have a part in the show. At one point of the other and Teri Hatcher played my nails mother, the Queen of Dax for Daksum. Interior was Lois lane on Lois clients inches remained within k. so it's all been kind of full circle with that. And I've enjoyed seeing these people come back and play these different roles. So that's, that's cool kind of problem with that. So. And this an episode prior to this episode to basically what's going on super right now is that National City is to is to see that she protects and you're in the day. She plays Caridad versus reporter for Kako magazine. Kako magazine is now ran by Jimmy Olsen superman. Best friend used to be taco for daily planet who's played by MacArthur Brooks. So. What's happened is that there there's what's called the world killer in the world. Killer is Tony person who. As want to bring Justice to the world, and she was opposed to be assisted by her sisters. Pestilence. Get the other one's name was famine, something like that. I can't remember. So there were supposed to be three of them within the last episode. Prior to this one, the other two, what defeated got killed and world. The world can learn the world killer absorbed both their powers, so she's kind of unstoppable. Now. Now the person who plays. The world killer Guinea. See, I thought I brought that up to me. Why give you the cast members names? So. For you. The person who does play her was also an employee of lex core and closely with Lana. Luther, Lexa sister. Who at one point was super goes friend, but as a player base, she's just not feeling the love. It doesn't trust her anymore, which is also very interesting. Okay. So yes, Melissa Benoist place to prevail care. Danvers Cuyler Lee plays her sister Alexander's. Jammie Jordan plays wind shot. Who is he's a government agent who works with supergirl knows her secret identity. His father was to toy maker, so, but when shot I wants to win, I'm wants nothing to do with that. David Harewood or Harwood plays John also known as the Martian manhunter Chris would plays my nail. Super girls wants love interest who's not by might be again and Katie McGrath place, Lena Luther. So that's part of their initial cast. But I want to. Give you more. Looking for someone in particular. To tell you about her. One-second here. Carl numbly plays. Medium. John's the mash manhunt his father, so he gets rediscovered, Jay Marsh, man, I thought was dead, but you've found that he's not brought him back to earth and that storyline has been great. My only problem is she with that? Is that. All of a sudden he has the Martian version of Alzheimer's. So now he's losing his mind and under Slyke. The whole Alzheimer's thing in Hollywood television is now, that's, that's a new thing that writers are exploring, and I understand that. I mean, there's lots of, I mean, it's it's, it's very interesting to talk about is just that don't know if I was ready to see that in my science fiction in and it's just it just would have been nice to see the how the Marsh man, hunter and his father just relate to each other. Now that father on earth and how he's a dad thing, and watching that it's been fun, but it's just. Now they, they'd give it him Alzheimer's. I don't know where that's going to go in that regard. So that's gonna be interesting. I think that's a pretty good point to break in and take our second break of the podcast. When we come back, we'll be concluding this episode with Keith wrapping it up with supergirl. So stay tuned. You're listening to the GMC Sifi podcast, and we'll be right back, huge huge, not close enough. So that space between you lose the way all Dan chance way into the music girl they embody and how you move. And every time you cross my girl lose. Alexa play the country heat playlist. Okay. With Amazon music voices. All you need, get tens of millions of songs, download the Amazon music app today, find out that. The unto embroi- lag lag. Would that take in this, hey, we hit. We've, we've. Alexa play Arianna 'Grande. Okay. With Amazon music of voices. All you need get tens of millions of songs, download the Amazon music app today, tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close, and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching the Golden State media concepts. 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It's been in this human beings really fascinating how they're doing the storyline and the first time the world killer fought supergirl. She almost killed her. So that was a bit like blow. So we're not going. So we're not sure how all this is gonna play out because right now was happening with the story is that the world killer is. She starting to get resistant kryptonite because Lena Luther hazard locked in her. Government lab. 'cause because she's trying to cure this person who also her friend. Wish I knew the name of keeping 'em 'Iran right now, this is kind of really bother me. I watched his show like all the time. Seriously. But yeah, so. The Krista. The story is that super goes having a hard time trying to figure out how she can defeat this person or save her life without killing her because they feel like if they gave it too much tonight, the no kill her, and they don't wanna kill her because the alter ego is actually, you know, their friend. So they find out that there's this rock they can use to take down, but it's out in space the certain sector. So super girl and my now take j on March one hundred spaceship bitterness garage ca-car and they flat out to the spot. So when they get to the spot. They find out it's a, it's a planet, they land on and as they get down there and they look around, they eventually figure out that the planet is actually. The lost city of Argo city from krypton. Somehow Argo city was protected, and, and when you know, Scipio aka Carrizo and my now walk around, you know, because they have. I don't realize these people, Tony, and eventually. Too much tension drawn to them, and then they get detained by these robots fly in the air elaborate these Tony and robots that you see like in the fortunes, south tears. Well, so and then Erica Durance pops up, you know? And that's what we're realize that her mom is still alive. She thought she was dead. They had this bonding mama. They talk. And. Superhero, Tom knows no, that the prison that she created where mother was like a judge and she said, krypton prisoners to this like huge giant facility and the space space prison got sent to earth and kind of crash. All a lot of these super criminals got released, including Super Bowls aren't. So her mother's sister. So. You know, you see, Erica Durance character. Basically in the Super Bowl about what happened in saying that, you know. Your sister? You know, my my sister tried to warn me about what was happening, and I didn't listen to her and you know, I rested and I feel guilty about that. And so, and that's fine. But. I guess. So what I thought was interesting about this episode and just about the series itself, I've enjoyed watching this series. It's nice to see. I mean, now we're starting to get more female superheroes on television, and that's been long overdue, and I'm very happy excited about that. So when I look at supergirl though in Carrizo out, so character is she's very strong. She's fair. She's intelligent and I like what she does, but I guess the things that kind of concern me is I feel like sometimes that her characters too naive. In regards to how the world is working and how people are. So I get that from the show sometimes and then. You see a lot of strong female role models and characters. And I think that great Jay on the marshmallow hundreds kind of like a surrogate father to her and her sister, Alex. And I do enjoy him on the show and Jimmy Olsen as his character is really great on the show too. But the only thing that just kind of bothers me is that so she's supergirl because she's superman. First cousin, she's older cousin, and they're tired to get by blood because they're both in the house of l. so we see we've seen typicals mother in the pants, and we've seen her aunt. But we don't see her father's real. And in this episode, you find out zero gave his life to save Argo city and protect, protect it to preserve it. So communication can't come out or come in and they've been on this planet and they beliving peacefully and the rock that supergirl the Mt l. needs to take back to earth so they can defeat the world. Killer is used to protect Argo city. So supergirl mom ranges a meeting with a high council, discuss it. So my issue is that, okay, I get all that. And you find out the one of the high council members. Actually, the mastermind to the world killers being unleashed on earth. Pacifico doesn't know that yet. But my issue is, like I said, is that we never see anything about super girl's father, so real. It's almost as if his characters insignificant to the series and it just kind of disappointing because you know. He's from the house of l. and love to know more about super relationship with their father. They often talk about her mom, and now they're showing her mom and she knows her mom's alive, and that's great. But the guy who's from the house of l. he's dead and we don't know anything about him. We don't know what kind of great scientists he was. We don't know what kind of father he was. His character is basically like nameless and he's the whole reason why she is to progress in the sense that he, no, he's Superman's uncle, you know, he's Dr brother and I just, yeah, that just on the only thing about the show that just kind of disappoints me is that you know, we see and learn about the mother, but we don't learn about, you know, the father, he's just as important to who she is. That's the cool thing about when you watch Permana, you've read Superman's folklore and his legend. Superman is a great because his Cretan parents didn't have them for long, but Ma and PA Kent their job. Jonathan Martha Kent did, and he's crowded and humanity because of those that farmer and his wife that couple, you know, they were all there was good and right with the American way of life. So you know, they gave him, they gave him his pound Dacian. So superman really have four parents, you know, Joel and Laura and John Martha. So you only get parts and pieces of that was super girl and they, you know, and. So you know. I like to think that that's going to change, but we'll see. So what happened? Like I said, Scipio reunites with their mom. They have to their bond and super. Go tells her mom that you know meeting running into on. It was kind of bad and nasty at first, but then she came around, but she died, but you know, they got close before she died, and you know, of course, you know, super goes, mom tells her, I'm very proud of you. Glad you're hero. And eventually she's allowed to take a piece of the rock off from ARCO city to back to planet earth. And by the time she gets back the world killers about to break free of the force field in. On Luther lab that's holding her bag. So you know, episode ends with her about to fight the world killer and now super knows that our mom's still alive so she can try to go back to Argo city and see how that plays out. So like I said, I'm glad that happened, but I would have been a better for me if both of her parents were alive so we can see how she interacts with both our parents at think that's really important thing. That's something that shows missing. Otherwise, I do like the show, but that's my biggest complaint. Is that. And, but otherwise, it's a good series to watch ideal. Enjoy. The criminals aren't really cool that amick between Kara dampers and her sister Alex's agent and when and by the way, Jimmy Olsen on the show becoming a superhero called the guardian. And when like his partner who who says, brilliant mastermind, who built his suit and gives them his gadgets and helps them when they're out in the field. So all that's going on the my Nells part of leading superheroes. There's storyline. We came back from the future. He was married and brainiacs descendant is part of the legion, and now all grown up and he's all he's just this great hero now and now he still married, but he's still in love with supergirl so, but he came back to help her out. So we all know what's going to happen with their whole love interest triangle story. But it's a good show. The the moon was interesting episodes had another. We're going to bring her back. It's the Erica Durance back who was Lois lane playing Super Bowls by logical mom. So that's really cool. I the world killer's name is on the show as rain, and it's played by Odette maybe Annabelle. Our Noblet. I'm if I'm saying the name right? And Eric doors who's playing superheroes mother is a Laura Zorro. So that's her name. And ruby reas is rains daughter, Emma, Tremblay so, and that's and that's what's keeping rain from fully staying rain is she has his daughter rains was trying to kill ruby so she could just keep so she can destroy her alter ego end just rain full-time rain becomes the world killer, but that's her name on the shows. Rain are eat, are in so, but yeah, the show is good. I like I enjoy it though. His that was just my only complaint is that want want to know more about Zorro. We see that his, you know, his wife, Lawrence or else around in her sister was around, but never got much on the father. You know, who's the ho-tai to superman, you know, and a whole tied tie of the house of l.. Thank you so much for joining us for this special edition of the GMC Sifi podcast. Hope you'll join us again next week for another episode. In the meantime, I hope you have a wonderful week. Thank you for listening. 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The Morning Ritual with Garret Lewis-Garret Talks To Daniel McCarthy About GOP Abandoning McSally, Kelly's China Ties

The Morning Ritual with Garret Lewis

30:05 min | 6 months ago

The Morning Ritual with Garret Lewis-Garret Talks To Daniel McCarthy About GOP Abandoning McSally, Kelly's China Ties

"The those comfortable call. A. Excellence. was going on. Garin Lewis with you here. Kfi Am seven hundred two. Most stimulating talk at ease your. Morning ritual. Three things I think you need to know brought to you by strong bill, plumbing, air and solar number, one Pima County got rid of a couple of insane rules yesterday, the supervisors meeting for restaurants. The You must all accept reservations or no walk. INS, so you can control social distancing gone. Couple others but. Everything was not wiped out. Steve Christie said. Wipe out this entire proclamation. They wouldn't do it. They're going to have another meeting. Thursday, two PM, go and crush them. Great restaurant owner showed up and put them in their place. Ramon valid said. This is always a work in progress. No not to business owners. They need certainty genius, so I call him rumour on second thing. That I think you need to know story from mcclatchy, says Republican. Well Republican operatives I say Era Zona Gop people. These are big shots write. Anonymously tell mcclatchy that. makes. Sally is a big drag on trump. That's what's dragging. TRUMP DOWN! She has no energy. She has no way to actually get. People whipped up energy. No volunteers nothing at all. And this is after also playing just a second before. We get a Danny McCarthy. And NBC, reporter saying whenever she puts a Mike in front of Martha, space s about trump. She runs away. Get that one right if you don't mind Ryan. Third thing I think you need to know. And I'm just. Is, this should be big new audio from. Joe Biden talking to the Ukrainian president went up when Biden was the vice president and Ukrainian President says I did what I said I would do. I got Shokhin with even though he didn't do anything wrong I got him to resign and buying basis at good now. You're going to get your billion dollars. Holy smokes this. Even Washington Post now is reporting about it I don't know why other news agencies are ins- three things I think you need to know. Now I want Daniel here this so before we play a little bit about Martha and a lot about China and more Kelly. About time we get into this Martha. Kent, brand this guy it's. It's ridiculous, right? If you don't want to put this video my page, you can T DOT com. Get on facebook as well this morning on Morning Joe face. Casey Hunt reporter NBC News. said it's not just. Martha but Martha like Senators Cory Gardner Susan Collins. These are all never trumpers right. These are all never trumpers. And apparently every time. She. Asks Martha and he's others about trump they run. Listen to this fifty ago, Joe there have been many many times in the last year where I have stuck a microphone in the General Direction of Cory, Gardner or Susan Collins or Martha mcsally in particular, and tried to ask them about president trump, and they usually run as quickly as possible the other direction. And that's why they're losing. And this is not new. This has happened in the past. When did we put this in right? When what was the date on this October September? Hang on 'cause we put it in. November to happen like we were I. Think this is November six I think it was when it actually happened November last year CNN. Listen to this here. We go some of this it. Says CNN try to talk to Republican. Senators is just a simple question. Is it okay for president trump to ask Ukraine to investigate political rivals Senator Martha. mcsally literally went around the capital around park cars everything to avoid cameras. A hurried, said no comment. So then again. Don't blame me for this stuff. Okay, I didn't do anything wrong. and. You want us as she voted with trump one hundred percent of the dime so many bills duty today, she. There's nothing there. That's why she's losing the polls America, but Kenniston eighteen points in Maricopa, county thirteen point Arizona. Let's talk to Danny McCarthy who's taking her onto the primary. Who has the only real shot to actually beat? Mark Kelly in my estimation demand Daniel Dot com Daniel. Quick reaction because I don't spend too much time excitement the quick reaction on what you just heard. Don't blame me you I. Don't want to be blamed for the catastrophe that she her candidacy is either. It's her poll. Numbers are staggering I. Don't know if you saw an for your audience. If you didn't see all numbers I'm not big on polls I won't buy question on Poles, etc, but what I'll tell you is that she's down three to four voters with independence. Independence so her entire strategy is. Let's go after independent. Let's let's avoid trump. Let's let's It's just a crazy strategy in Arizona and her her strategy like you said as an anti trumpers. Just it's not gonNa work here so I think that the biggest thing is is that everyone has to realize the only reason I got into this race primarily initially was because we. We were GONNA lose another Senate seat and we can't afford to lose another Senate seat, so I think with with the most recent poll numbers I think the best thing for us to do is if the thinking shift? We just gotTa jump off and move on I. I thought she'd be gone by now. Gary I mean you and I have talked about this a little. Little Bit, but I really didn't think based on the pressure. They were going to put on her that she would stay around. Hence the letters they were sending every single day at this point. I, know you you've seen those letters that she won't. She won't even debate US I. Mean It's a joke. I know that we joke around about it on your show and. I say to you all the time like hey, give her a caller. shooter a text message. I'm not really joking around though I mean. She legitimately did not win that seat. She legitimately was appointed. This is a special election. There is a Republican primary. I was on the ballot before she was at this point. It's becoming insulted I think it's time like I move on I mean I'm saying this with no disrespect towards her service or anything, it's just we can't lose another Senate seat. We've got to focus on this astronaut. We've gotta get him back in space where he belongs. I. Hear You on that one Danny McCarthy on Canada's T am seven ninety. Let's talk about the astronaut because. Again I'm just saying Martha has this is to me. This is a meatball right down the middle right. This is like a like a batting practice fastball when your opponent story comes out where your opponent. Took investment money to get. worldview started right here in Pima County. He took investment money from Chinese venture capital firm, called tencent, which has been identified as an arm of the Chinese Communist Party, so we have mark, Kelly, who could be the senator who is an actual business partner with the Chinese Communist, Party and she has failed to brand him that way talk about that and the dangers of having a senator who is in bed with with the communist Chinese. Yeah this is actually a really big strength of mind because I understand that China economy I understand the Chinese business environment. I understand how they operate in much more detail than most people do I. Have I can tell you right now. The the danger of of what you just described their relationship. He has with Chinese operatives. is He's so naive and so dangerous to what's really going on, or he is willingly participating in Chinese nationalist Chinese operatives working within his company's framework, so you're talking about in in terms of unique situation. China is so sophisticated in the way in which they're attacking the United States. You're talking about the most complex sophisticated war that the United States has ever been involved with this country by the way that has a one hundred year plan, not a four year plan or ten I'm talking they. They have mapped out at one hundred year plan. These are individuals have focused on the weaknesses and vulnerabilities of the United States and have attacked them sophisticatedly over the course of the last thirty years forty years, and and for someone like mark, Kelly, to even have a chance. To Win The Senate seat tells you how striking this war really is, so to your point, I think what we need to start explaining to people. In terms of the tone that I'm trying to take, this is a very serious problem and again. This is coming from someone that knows China extremely well I know how they function. They are smart they are. They are extremely They are extremely more prepared to fight this were we are and I think it's time now that we recognize that because Americans once we recognize the problem, we ended up winning that war. We can come. Not suggesting they were going to lose this war I'm just saying it's time to start sending very best and brightest to Washington DC so we can. Unwinding this mess with China. Okay I WANNA get a quick break I. WanNa come back with you. Talk about what exactly you would do. What what are your plans would be sanctions. How would you handle China? I mean again. Your Your Business Dealings in China that you've done. Giving you the insight like that, I want to get into that and on top of that also the situation with with dealing with wall way in the five G. Race and the impact, and what it means in your estimation. I want people to know this. What you would you think it is about getting this? Semiconductor plant built right here in Arizona, an impact on China it's all coming up. DEMAND DOT COM is the website we'll continue right here. St Am seven hundred. Most teeth thirteen. Gary. Lewis with you. Here can spam seven hundred Soussan most stimulating talk. Thanks for hanging out with me. We're GONNA continue. With Daniel McCarthy Demand Daniel. Dot Com is the website, so I mean Daniel. Let's thank you for hanging with me Daniel. Let's talk about. Let's talk about more Kelly. Let's talk about. Let's talk about China. and. I WanNa know I mean basically. Let's just go back to work just a second. How dangerous is it? Do you think if a guy like him gets elected because you know the fact that he's in business with them like you said, either willingly or too stupid to realize is being manipulated, or he wants to be manipulated and he's okay with this. I mean how how would that affect trying to put sanctions on? What is our biggest enemy right now? China sympathizers. Are Very dangerous dangerous because they don't have the, let's just say the spine or the fortitude to realize that the the war that we're actually in with China. They leave to it, so they're. They're willing to basically deny about intentions by the China government because of the fact that they're in bed with them, and when you say in bed with them, I think it's important for people to understand what that means. For example. I have a company that we import export inside of China. That's we do widgets right the cosmetics product that's much different than having a business partner. From China that comes in and invest millions and millions of dollars in your organization. That has ties in in in like you said operations with the China government. Trump scored his scored a scorecard on like any other president at least in modern history. Against this type of attack that we're dealing with with Cha, but let's face the fast. We are actually dealing with attacks from China, so it's. It's the faster we realized that as a country and the faster we come to terms with it that although there's not being shots fired doesn't mean that we're not under attack. Obviously I think this virus is just glaring example of that it was a correlated a complex sophisticated attack. provided by China so we are in the midst of a different type of war, and we have to fight that war. That's that's getting two biggest reasons. I'm doing this one of the major reasons. I'm jumping into the jumped into. This race is because I saw the writing on the wall. You deal these people in China and you realize. They are they know our Constitution better than we? Our Constitution in some cases and I'm not exaggerating when I say that I mean these people spend their life studying the vulnerabilities of the United States, and they are here to play game. They are here to be the predominant power in the world, so we have to understand, these are not a lot of these individuals and no offense to. Again I'm not trying to offend anybody, but you know these are individuals that are not necessarily moral people They don't believe the same values that we believe in God. Fearing constitutional conservative. You're never gonNA, bend me to break away from Okay, I I would rather die I. that's not how these people think i. Have to wake up to this attack. Mark Kelly is an extension of that attack in my estimation, and he should be branded, frankly they. As a public threat is a domestic threat to the United States as far as I'm concerned, so it's it used to be a joke when I call Marxist Kelly you know, I'm kind of saying that would tongue in cheek, but I'm not joking around I mean there's there's truth behind that this is a devout Marxist. He's he's devout. To the Marxist theology that is very dangerous is killed hundreds of millions of. Of people around the world, it's time that we are radical. This type of thinking from the United States it has to go. That's why again you propel me past. The primary I'm going to break the Democrat Party here in Arizona there will be no returning to the Democrat, party as normal when we're done with them, because we will poke holes everywhere with what they're pushing propaganda that they're pushing down Americans throats. It's a big problem. Yeah, this is this a serious issue? And here's the thing, okay. Mark Kelly his company was supposed to do space balloon flights. It is now morphed into more defense contracting. They have they have contracts with the Department of Defense. They have contracts with NASA. So all of a sudden changes, ten cent, their investment arm, which the government told him go invest in the only reason they do, it is so they can steal intellectual data so they you know. Mark Kelly has investors from again. Senators Senators have said ten cents as an arm of the Chinese Communist Party right so they are so he is dumb enough to have now. Defense contracts works. He must be working on top secret things you working on things with our Defense Department and China. I mean how do they not have a way to possibly spy and steal our intellectual property and secrets? There! and. You can guarantee that again. You have an individual that will represent you in the United States. Senate, that will be sympathetic towards China's agenda. It's just that simple I this doesn't. It's a fact at this point. There's no reason of denying it this. This race has now turned into the most critical Senate race in the United States there's no doubt about it. We cannot allow that man to win this seat. So what do we do here again? This damn demand Daniel Dot com is the website Danny. McCarthy on campus have seven ninety. Trump is is ma'am. You could tell. His demeanor has changed a lot I'm friends with President. She bubba now he's just saying I'm mad at you. I'm not happy, not happy. It's obvious and now there's word out reports out that they're trying to. The Chinese are trying to hack into our pharmaceutical companies and steel. Steel the information on back seen, so they can get it I. I mean these are very bad people. I guess my question is. We have a guy like Kelly has been around for a long time. His wife was in Congress Martha's been in Congress since two thousand fourteen and she she's been trying since twenty ten basically to get into Congress. Why didn't these people see you know? Trump saw years ago the threat of China. Why didn't these people see it? And when did you realize the threat of China? We've known about the threat of China for I. Mean Frankly since I've been watching politics. If you watch geo political warfare I mean, you can see clearly the writings on the wall. China is trying to insert themselves as the dominant world power, and they are. They're willing to go to links that you've never even witnessed before My dealings with China I can tell you a lot of them have been based on the theory that I wanna know exactly what's going on there? I WANNA see exactly. What I. I know what's going on on the ground at the street level in China. I know how their economy functions know. Other people think we need to do what America does best. We do need to inspire the people of China for Freedom Liberty capitalism it. You need to have a senator that knows how to engage in that warfare win. This war is by creating an uprising with the people of China saying you cannot live under tyranny way that you are. Those people can't worship. They can't worship our creator. They can't do things that we're able to do here. In the United States that are strength, so you need to have a senator represents that a senator that actually knows how to engage in warfare appropriately to win. You've got to create that environment. Why do you think trump is so dangerous to China? He's promoting. He gave his identity back. We WanNa see what the United States potential is in. We WanNA see how big how wealthy United States can go. That's the type of thinking you. Need. I win against China every single day. I sell chinese-made made products into China. That's very rare for United States company to do I beat them every single day, I don't get beat by them so if you want that type of thinking in the United States, Senate, I will know how to beat them. We know how to win this war again. It's just the way it. It is and folks. You can bury your head in the sand and say well it's it can't be that bad. Trust me, it's. It's far worse than what you think. We have a also in this country right now like I said. We're under a right now. You see them trying to groom Americans to wear masks. Groom Americans do this new normal. Do not think do not think that that's coming from within the United States from Patriots. It's not it's coming from outside of our borders. It's a very sophisticated attack So Gary it's becoming more and more serious every single day. Obviously people can do is is we have to? We have to ensure that you send proper representation in Washington DC. You have to send people that are big thinkers that know how to get the job done people that have done. It demonstrated. They can do it I'm not. I've never voted for something you put us in more debt with China Martha. Martha has for example were paying a heavy interest to China based on Martha agreeing to spending that we should not have spent to pay interest to China you see them saying so for her or for Mark Kelly have an argument here against me is. It's it's laughable, so we can. We can represent you very well and I'm excited to do it. I I can tell you I want to join with with President trump and fight this war. I send him reinforcements. That's what you're doing by sending me to Washington DC. The last one you hang on a second, let last one for me. Real quick. is the fact that all these reports are coming. We see it every week. we're were their professors. university employees getting arrested You know one just happened this week. We had a guy working at Raytheon back in January got arrested because he took data with him. to China. And when he came back, the FBI arrested him. We ever. It seems like every week on campus. There are people getting arrested because they are caught spying for China. I mean what would you do as a senator? I personally I don't know why we allow universities and colleges to hire these people from a country that has r sworn enemy I don't think they'd hire Americans to go work at Chinese University. If you're a senator, what would you do? Would you ban that from happening? Would you try to get? Some kind of legislation passed to cut off funding to try to stop universities from hiring people from from a country that has our enemy. We have to completely disengage from globalism, not just China, but globalism as a whole. We have to bring all of our manufacturing right here. In Arizona, we have a plan by the way we have already drafted. Legislation that we're going to introduce that brings manufacturing right here. Arizona imagine a rate from Phoenix to Tucson that whole that whole stretch of land right there being filled with manufacturing being filled with. With great American jobs. We can do this. We can win this, but what we have to do is we have to take away their source of funding? We have to disengage from manufacturing again. This is one of the major reasons I'm doing this I know the hurdles that companies are dealing with. They can't manufacture here in the United States. We can fix that problem we have to. We have to take away their source of money and we have to quickly. Get real last one, and then we got to go I got about. Less than a minute I know. Danny, McCarthy. AM, seven hundred this whole deal with this Taiwanese semiconductor company that's coming to Arizona the fact that trump did this and he is going to basically stop. Them coming here, they're not. They're not going to sell their chips with to wall way which they'll need. This is the whole Big Five G. Race. Talk about not getting enough press. I mean trump really did a number on China by making this happen, didn't he? He, he scored a home run. It was it was called tribeca. I mean what he did was. Is He implemented restrictions? He got a manufacturing back your by the way right here in Arizona. What like twelve billion dollars she he won't. Everyone is running around with mouth gone I trump sitting there. Just hitting home runs out of the park the paying attention he's. The guy is so underrated for how well he's doing. Look at what he did with the vaccination, he literally just took the legs out from the vaccination by saying. Hey, by the way I'm taking this drug create preemptively precautionary before. I want to get the coronavirus. Keep you realize what he by saying that he literally took this whole vaccination thing in like flush you hear Bill Gates and George Soros with a correct co collective cry that trillions of dollars was being flushed down the toilet. I think the guy is much smarter than when everybody gives them credit for I. Hope I hope he is anyways I think all of us have to have a little bit of face there, but I really wanted to be a reinforcement and in the United States Senate for America first bringing manufacturing back here in the United States I know how to do it, so it's. We've got to win this thing man we. We've got Did you? Did you hear about the nurse that was fired by the way the guy that did the video for me? That characterised video. This just happened. Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what. Can you, can you hang on for me? Daniel will do when we get back. We'll hang. We'll keep you because I know. You were up there. This guy had six kids if I remember correctly at six kids and he was up there protesting ducey. And you're telling me about fire. We'll find out coming back with Danny. McCarthy, don't go as Tucson DOT COM. Seventy five years crazy, isn't it? My God. Man's Saint God bless him God. Let's just focused on him for once all right Gary Lewis with you here can spam seventy two sons, most stimulating talk three things I think you need to know quickly. Number One. We'll get to more this NATO five pima county supervisors pretty much push just about everything until Thursday two PM. Where another meeting is going to be these restaurant owners about their. He's dumb regulations. The a couple of crazy ones, but remorse invalidate, said listen. This is always a work in progress you. That's what business owners want. Let's change everything that can be changed again. Get Out of here second thing I. Think you need to know NBC News Reporter Casey this morning, says yeah, whenever I stick my microphone in front of Martha mcsally face and asked about trump's. She runs away. And now now there's Arizona. Republican operatives here in Arizona Republican operatives in Arizona Blaming Sally. For trump's terrible poll numbers. If you WANNA believe terrible. Say, she's got. No charisma can't get him excited Ado. Third thing. That I think you need to know new audio coming out Joe Biden not good for him recorded calls put out by a Ukrainian politician. So. Listen to this at a press conference. It's put Vice President Biden in the former president of Ukraine and the president. Chris I got rid of that Guy Shokhin for you did nothing wrong, but I him to resign in providence had good. Now you get your billion dollars I mean it's hello. Quid quo, quid pro jo three things. I think you need to know all right. Let's continue. Let's get back with Danny McCarthy Daniel. Thank you for hanging on me I. appreciate it by the way and its entire interview will be up a canister dot com so enjoy that. So! Daniel you let's go to this again. We were talking about more Kelly and China and everything and and people can find the story about more Kelly by the way my facebook page scroll down facebook dot com slash. Dare Lewis Radio like it. Follow it, you scroll down. See The story about more Kelly and the The Chinese investments into worldview which pima county, but I remember when to stay was in lockdown. You went to the capital. You went to Phoenix and you met a a nurse who had six kids, and he was furloughed, and and you and he questioned care Chris very nicely very professionally. And you telling me this guy was fired from his job. That's right. Yeah, so this guy. I met him at the first rally. He came up to me and he goes like he goes. Everything you're saying is true Daniel that the hospitals etc. It's I'm a nurse. They've laid me. They've already cut ours back, so he was only working a couple of days. A ship will then we got care Chris just by pure accident. By the way we were literally walking out of the Capitol. We came down from the governor's office. My I think fourth or fifth attempt to get the governor to come out and talk to us, and then we walked downstairs. We walk outside. Outside there she is. She's walking by. Get this on film and I. He's The guy. Actually. I'm actually behind the camera I didn't even get in his way. Let him call well. He gets fired so being right now. This guy he he literally cut fired from from I. Don't know exactly what healthcare he works for. But this guy. You should have a on sometime. I think it'd be. He's A. He's a guy and I mean I feel bad 'cause the guy literally. Fired I using his first amendment rights. This is what this country has gone through is going through. It's it's really. It's like the twilight zone. That's the only way I can relate. It I wake up in the morning. Probably like just like your listeners and I think my living through a horrific dream here. and. I WANNA be. I WanNa be clear though because we were talking about this. When I'm saying that we're under attack I literally saying that we're under attack, rate. The the Chinese operatives are entrenched inside of our our propaganda arm of the media. They're entrenched inside of academia. You name the category of the sector of our government in their inside of it, and they are operating in ray now. Specifically with technology technologies, the big the big hurdle that we're dealing with. I. I think that if we don't move manufacturing back to the United States if we don't separate ourselves from globalization rather quickly and I'm saying I in a rapid succession. Me We're we're very vulnerable, so it's yeah, this this fight is the fight of our lives and everyone. I'm asking of course support of for our campaign. If you can mobilize around our candidacy if you propel me, pass the primary. What you've basically done is is you've created a story line? That cannot be ignored. There's doesn't matter how much money Mike Bloomberg jumps into. Into the race I compete against money all the time. There's nothing you can do about the a better product, and we will have a better product. The Republican Party a true constitutionalist, a true conservative, and we can win this race and we can make sure that like I said we can start pushing back and it's. It's long past due that we push back. Tell you what's. In the Tucson area, you're up in the Phoenix area. We don't really see much. It's like we get forgotten about. They think it's just all blue in. It is what it is, but you know you're talking about again. How did not you know we need to bring everything back I don't see Martha Singer, this is more Kelly is doing any interviews Z. asked this. Does he say the same thing? Does he say anything like this? No right now they're going to stay so isolated the two of them Martha listen. Martha was silent when the churches are being shutdown. She's silent on the impeachment when the president was being impeached, she's silent when people have to stay home. She's now hiding behind that. She's not a real candidate. I I'm trying to tell everybody this and I hate to say it like this, but she's controlled opposition. She frankly is there to lose I know. That's like people are gonNA. Say Man. That's A. that's a pretty out. There Theory Noah folks. Politics at this level is much worse than what I thought. It was and I'm. This is me coming to you reporting to you from a civilian nine months ago. It seeing it now hand. We're dealing with a critical. Race here and it's imperative that we do not allow that man to win the seat. He is the most dangerous senator potentially in the United States and we're being lied to folks I know you know this. I guarantee you firsthand, but we are completely being lied to about what really is going on here. They are trying to change the culture of the United States. They have changed the culture of the United States in order for us to comply with what they have in their in their plans. their plans are again. It's it's to make sure that the United States is not the predominant power in the world. Jeeze well, Daniel Thank you for listening and I think this is something you've got to keep pumping because this is the main storyline right now in this country and we're getting drug manufacturing back here. The president signed that that ordering the to basically stop the reliance on our on our generic drugs. Any drugs made India and China. He's making bringing back. You're going to get national stockpile. There's a lot that he's doing. I know you're on. The same page is him and I don't see the other two being any part of it. We'll get John Again. Man Demand Daniel Dot. com is the website Danny McCarthy thanks for the time. Brother I appreciate it. Thank you as always Gary for everything. Thank you for having me. Thank you everybody very much to serving you. All right take. Care Danny McCarthy right here on.

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11: About... Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

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11: About... Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

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Most insane plot twists to ever hit a comic book movie. That's right kids. We're gonna be getting into it today. Batman v superman the dawn of justice. And i think it's fitting to have versus episode as i have. I believe the host of verses with me to help it. Mr marc ellis. I want to thank him for taking the time. I really blew that intro. Because i sure to set. I host versus on rotten tomatoes. I just went with the typical comic correspondent route. And i don't know if it's versus jacqueline. I don't know if it's this show but we've been blessed with great fans that will raise emails very passionate email sometimes and they say hey you gotta do this movie got this movie and today we give thanks to a lot of the fans who wrote about batman v superman but in particular joseph plunkett hit us up. And thank you. I'm not sure if your dad. Or grandad is jim. Plunkett the super bowl winning quarterback but either way to have you onboard. Thanks for the wrec. Yes we got it through our email address our to his wrong a rotten tomatoes dot com so pleased in them. As of this moment. This is the most requested for episode that we have had so giving the people what they want. The big question is rotten. Tomatoes wrong about the score of batman. V superman don of justice. It's got twenty eight percent rotten but sixty two percent fresh audience rating but mark before we dive deep for those of us. That may have forgotten way. Back in two thousand sixteen What is batman. V superman about or right so jack you remember back when superman made a movie called mana steel and he fought with zahed and then he saved the day at the end. Metropolis was what was free of the tyranny of possible alien invasion. Yeah not. everybody looked at it like that. And so batman who is across the pond in gotham city saw all the damage happening to metropolis and his like. Oh no we gotta stop this alien and then some other people sided with him. Some people held up. Superman is the hero that we knew him to be and batman and superman. There's only one way to solve this. It's time to duke it out. And when you throw that into the vitamix plus the fact that this kid named lex. Luther is starting to have some ideas about being controlling little villain. And then we also have this mysterious diana the metropolis you put that all into a vitamix and you say oh my god. What's gonna come out at abomination of a movie or is it going to be the greatest comic book film history not according to the tomato meter any man mark if the movie was half as good as your synopsis. I don't think we would be here debating jack. i'm getting. I put early beginning early. because we're definitely going to be talking about this one. I'm just going to start with one little punch. And i swear i'm gonna play fair lucy. Our producer has promised me to do so. So hey lucy how you doing. I'm doing well. everyone. It's i'm excited to hear what you'll have to say. Also my mom's name is martha so this is a very personal movie for a. I'm sorry all right. That's the the rare nebraska. Martha thought there only in kansas. Well you know what i think. What martha with. This movie to martha is was jack. Waylon did to my name when key and peele did that so feel for the martha's out. There is martha the mom version of karen. Do we know that. I don't do it. I'm not gonna do that. I think our guests will be really upset. If we keep like a can't do these zingers. We let the rodney dangerfield happened a little bit later because we do have a huge fan with us today. I'm talking about mr mike kalinowski. He's our he's our guest today and he is as knowledgeable. A dc fan as you can get folks will also have recognized him from showtimes black monday. Cw's jane the virgin and so many more when he's not acting or doing all things dc you can watch him on the sec network. Youtube channel on their mandalorian review. Show with that said. All that fun ness. Let's welcome mr. Mike kalinowski how you doing mike. Good morning good morning. Was everyone doing doing okay. I mean you are so talented. It's hard for me to get my mouth around it. Let me apologize. That is a great line. That i'm not gonna touch said. Listen why did you go there. I will say this about mike. Is that we all know. Not all heroes wear capes right and might prove that. Not a few weeks ago jacqueline. This man who owns multiple batman costumes decided on election day on all day. Everybody's in line voting waiting to cast their ballot so mike would already voted put on his. Yes full captain. America suit got a bucket of candy and started handing out candy to people voting and he pretty much kept everybody in line. He kept everybody safe. He defended justice. And that's what he's going to bring to the show today all my. Gosh i am so about this. I dump sad that i didn't know this existed. I would've loved to have seen it. I have been tweeted out by chris evans. So we're dating so fitting absolutely now. But i did tweet about his butt and he like really like responded. And so in my personal opinion. Chris evans flirted with me. I'm like a poor man's chris evans in my captain. America costume being america's ass. No no you. I'm sure you did us proud. And i appreciate you for like venturing outside to the marvel universe. I'm glad to see that you still have love for them. No i'm not one of these guys. That does both the against each other fan of both. Well i know you're of this. What as well. And i just so you're saying rotten. Tomatoes is wrong. I'm guessing you've got me here for this reason. And this reason alone. I'm going to change minds. Change ideas and everything about this. You're completely wrong. Can i say are you so you guys are to was like you can representing you can totally make it personal and call it me before and i'm not mad about it. I just know. I feel it feeds me now. I gotta say. I think he has the lowest of all the dc films tomatoes Suicide squad might be a little bit lonely. Might by one point dull producer. Lucy if you want to. But i could be wrong okay. But that's insane to me regardless of my feelings on batman versus superman. And that's why. I'm so happy to have mike on is because this is one of those films where my mind is made up for the most part i have questions i have questions and these questions get answered in a certain way. There's a chance that i come out of this episode. Feeling different jacqueline. I can tell you this. No person on earth has seen batman. V superman dawn of justice. More than mike count hausky. He these do not wanna get into a trivia battle about this movie with this man will defeat you and so i'm actually looking forward to having a conversation about some things that i might have issues with mike and shed some light on. Well i will say this for my You're undecided marcus. Clearly in the rotten tomatoes is wrong. I am clearly in the rotten. Tomatoes is right. Ish actually re watched the ultimate edition last night and although yes there is. I have questions as well. I think minor more pointed than yours mark. I have some very very specific questions. However i do think the twenty percent is a bit harsh and not undo all of the things that you just said. Mark mike knowledge but lucy has unfortunately proved you wrong because suicide squad is twenty six percent rotten all this maid meter making it. I believe lower. Sorry that's okay. I'm knowledgeable about tomato meters. You're knowledgeable about men in case we can between the two of us we got this and if the guy we're about to introduce will handle us with the rest that is tim ryan he's our review curation manager and he's going to take us back to what the critics and the fans were saying back in two thousand sixteen about batman v superman donna justice. Tim taken away. Thanks jacqueline so batman. V superman dawn of justice. Critics didn't love this one. It's a twenty percent on the tomato meter with four hundred twenty three reviews but it does have a sixty two percent audience score. So let's hear from some of the critics in a rotten review lou. Luminaries of the new york post wrote constantly threatening to collapse from self seriousness. This epic has way too much of everything including cgi an oscar winners up the wazoo and another rotten review. Christopher or of the atlantic wrote that man v. Superman is a tiresome. Ill-tempered film one too lazy even to earn its dismal outlook however in a fresh review kyle. Anderson of noticed wrote going with realistic expectations. In you'll probably have a good time after all. It's still a movie. Where man god's punch each other it's there's a lot of rotten reviews for this one and a lot of them were really really harsh and even some of the fresh reviews sort of it. The film had issues that senate. It's got a sixty two percent audience score. Which means you know. Some people in the audience got their money's worth and that's batman v superman donna justice back to jacqueline. I loved him. I don't get to see him anymore. We used to be in the offices and go over there and he would get all animated about this review. Roger ebert wrote back in nineteen ninety. Two and i can't do that anymore but i do. Miss him and i think he's having a blast. He's in his room. He's research and he's got his kid with them. He's just he's having a great time patriots trying to turn it around in this season. So tim's doing just fine. I get it. I know yeah. I definitely think he's doing fine. Mike for you though. Back to two thousand sixteen maybe did. Was there a scene in that like you love from the first time you saw like literally in the theater in that moment where you just can't think of anything else other than this is happening. Oh yes for me. it's the warehouse scene towards the end. The batman warehouse fight seen that movie. 'cause they should a little bit of it in the trailers and i've seen a couple of scenes and by this point of the film. It's probably like two and a half hours into the film and we still not seeing that. Like where's the scene. that fighting. He was in so when that happened that to me. And there's there's things. I of course don't like about the movie but for me. That a quintessential batman of what we had not seen in previous films. Because he's been you know so many films before we still have never seen him be this ultimate fighter that he is in that scene really kind of hammered home. What batman is a fighter. right mention promo code. Imaging is shutting me two dozen hostels on the fed floor. Drop you off on the second. I loved that call. I absolutely love that call because that warehousing is basically right after him and superman have their falling out and then they sort of buddy up and they realized that we do need to form a team. If we're going to defeat this monster abomination but we also have to go save martha that the car cans mom from the neighbor of nebraska kansas and so batmans like okay superman. You go do the really hard thing but when starting abomination get get loose on that and then i'm gonna go save your mom for you. And the way that batman storms in there and we know batman is kids not killing people and trying to administer justice in china among some folks died that night in that warehouse. And you because batman comes in there and his justice this storming marauder devil presence and again. This is the first time that we've seen ben affleck as batman and he had a nice workout montage showing the movie. We saw some simple with this shortlist moments for the ladies. This is the first time the in this movie that you're watching this and you say my god michael keaton christian bale adam west look out. There is a new guy that is contending for the ultimate cape and cow because that scene is so bad ass. I i will just add this to that one. Because although i am not the biggest fan of the dc live actions as a whole the one thing i will say about dc. I adore is all of their animated features as well as all of their video. Games particularly arkham asylum. And when i saw that scene i was like. Oh they just did the arkham batman and like that's why this is amazing. And every inch of the stuff that i think was ripped from either that dc comics series or some of the stuff that they were able to do. Because for folks. That don't know. And i'm just gonna take a little gamer detour. And just out of it. That arkham game was like ground breaking with the fight style that they were able to do in that and really show batman like punching and it was very like it felt like lifelike fights and i really think that that like bacon. Lie and say it wasn't but i feel like those two were like kind of destined to be mike. Am i wrong. No you're i mean i'm i'm with you. Jaclyn the arkham games are like superheroes gold standard to me. Yeah those games and they really did do not to go to geeky. Let's do it like for me. Like in the comics there was i remember. There's one issue where he's taking. He's training robin. And then one of the first nights out one of his first rules were robin. Was this hustler guys. He's like before you go into a scenario like this. You on arm. Everyone that you can arm so batman taking out all the guns before even went into the room to me is like that's batman. He and plans. There's twenty thirty guys in there. And how's you to do with all machine guns. He takes out the weapons first of all and then he drops in well. I love that. We all could have a love fest on that one particular scene before i begin to rip into it but remark. You're you're you're you're straddling things right now. So so what was the scene for you. What what gave you lawson sation besides that warehouse scene. Where like you get in there. You disarm all the guns i. I feel like john. C reilly and step brothers were i say i would have done the same exact thing now if i go back a little bit further in this movie one of the scenes in rewatching it. That really stuck out tomato. Something that i remember liking during my initial screening and still to this day thing holds up brilliantly. Is that interaction between bruce. And diana who we are gonna come to find out is wonder woman and they're trying to steal the same thing and they're both sir sneaking around and they have a cat burglar vibe and there's nothing a cat burglar can sniff out quicker than a fellow cat burglar and so they realize they're going after the same thing and they just feeling each other out and they're just kind of eyeing in talking and flirting in out toughing one another and what that leads us into. Is this really cool relationship where they realize. Hey i don't know you that well you don't know me that well but there's darker forces out there that we're probably gonna have to team up at some point. This is what heroes do. They realize that even though they're used to being on their own in the houston independent crimefighting. They know that there might be a worse enemy that works out there and so we're going to have to team up at some point photograph that belongs to me because it happens. No i didn't. The data carpet has military grade encryption. Now the event dress nine ten minutes. But you're the ten new guessing. I see through woods. But she didn't think like me and that leads us into another one of my favorite scenes. Which is the quick introduction of all the other members of the justice league. Do we just get teased with. And that was one of the real exciting things about this movie. Regardless of how. I felt about the finished product in the narrative that we got is at walking out of that theater. You say ho boy. Do we have potential. Because not only are bruce and diana awesome together. I didn't laugh when aqua man showed up. I actually thought man went from being the nerd superhero to the guy that i want to get in the gym so i can cause play as at next comic con. It was awesome. I'm glad we know it. We your plans for the next in-person comecon mark got this year off to give me. I need another three hundred sixty five days to get those those ads and tex order you have the time kumail nanjiani. It can be done better for comedians working out. Right suspect new. If you can't get like rip that like he's he's proved y'all wrong. I think what i think about it and it's great that you guys mentioned the scenes you did because those were all definitely ones that i personally enjoyed and it was actually interesting watching it last night. The also edition. I remembered something. I love from the very first time i saw it. And that was jeremy irons. As alfred like i was actually very disappointed to know that they were recasting. Alfred for this new robert patents version. I felt that that was the best alfred casting ever. Because like yes. I loved michael cain but he speaks with a cockney accent. Like you need a little poshness for alfred for that to work. No events like he was great but like it just doesn't fit with the character and what i thought was really cool was just watching their interaction and the scene that i'm is specific is very early on when they're sort of looking at the newspaper headlines and they're saying you know alfred like the world is changing and he's really setting the stage for the crux of the film. Which is that. God's have come down to earth and people hold lightning bolts in their hand as alfred sort of breaks it down for bruce who still thinking he can play the same. You know i am dark. I am the night vengeance stuff which is not gonna work. People are flying through the sky. And i loved how he sort of laid out for him. Plainly and their dynamic is really interesting both with just how he makes fun of her about diana both in this film and the later film i just really loved all of the stuff that they did together and yeah i was like more alfred. This is sad. Why did we have to do this to him. And that was the most likeable That ben affleck was this sort of like. Bruce wayne which i thought was really good. Wall rod the war to offs two years ago. She's alford count the dead thousands of people. What's next millions. She has the power to wipe out the entire human race. And if we believe there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute. We have to destroy him. He is not our enemy not today. Twenty years in gotha. We've seen the promises are worth. Good guys are left. How many stay that way. That's one of the things when you understand why they didn't want to do a full movie about batmans backstory again. Because we've seen it so much but when you get an for that good and get abreu slash bats that good you do kinda to go back and say i wanna get to know these to a little bit more before we got thrown into this but for all. This movie was trying to accomplish. Mike i really feel like it did a service to getting that much storytelling complete in a very fine at amount of time even though the ultimate editions is going to run you about three hours. It's still we got to say. We got to know batman. If you had no idea who batman. Was you still get a pretty good picture. Painted of who this fell is where he came from and why he might feel so much animosity be ego driven or be it all that crap in the bible is wrong because these guys are now coming to earth and they don't look like the ones that we read about martin luther so there's a lot going on with that character and i think ben affleck did a great job and jeremy irons to i mean. Let's just go ahead and get the biblical with it mark. Let's do it. I used to do a bit in santa about that. How around this time. This movie is coming out. How i felt so bad for batman be not only because he couldn't stand movie anymore but also because he was the guy he was the man on the block and now all of a sudden you got a guy who's a god who can talk to fish you got a guy who's tech in cyborg is better than you you got you got wonder woman who's another god who is stronger than you and you got an alien that people are in love with and so you went from being a man to being the guy off the bench and it's a tough. It's a tough fall for an ego. It's a tough tumble take. Yeah well it's one of many tumbles. The film sort of takes. I will say mike. I know you love it. But i do. You admitted has some words so if you had some to call them out. What would you say i would say. If we're going to go warts this one kind of stands out is the thing it's there you can't get rid of. It is the jesse eisenberg lex. Luther now i will say this. I'm when it comes to casting films. I'm never i always try and give the benefit of the doubt. I always try and i don't want to bash when a cast or an actor or an actress is announced because you never know what they're going to do with the role they were chosen for a reason so when of all the casting in this film i was behind everything. I was a big supporter of africa. From the beginning. I know there was some kind of dissension with him but i always liked. I liked him as daredevil. Back in the day when when when is numbered was cast. That was the first one kind of like. Oh okay. i kind of think what they're going to do with it. Go more of a mark zuckerberg this this tech genius type thing. I'm not with you. I actually like that character because of how stupid it is not because if it's in the movie in any way shape or form or is cohesive but jesse is having a good time. It's sort of like tom. Hardy and benham. I know you're in the same movies everybody else but i love what you're doing. I want to go where you are. Take where you are and let's go have a party. Boys swain meets. Clark kent. i love bringing people together. Are we next. Hello good. I hello likes a out. That is a good grip. You should not pick a fight with this person. I've i've loved that criticism at films before where there's one person who's in a totally different movie. I'm gonna go john cena. In bumblebee johnson is in john. Cena thinks he's in transformers dark of the moon when everybody else is like. Hey we're kind of trying to make this thing a little more serious and this movie did not give me that vibe. As a matter of fact. I like jesse eisenberg in this as lex luther way more than i remember liking and i bought into it. And i don't know why mike in his villain genius has been able to now cast jacqueline and is defenders of the film. And now what he doesn't like it's all part of i'd i of anyone. We'll let me let me fix that right now. Because lord have mercy. Did i have some problems with this movie. Of all the fact the only way we get a coherent movie is in the three hour cut. Somebody like zach. Snyder needs an editor. And i think it needs to be a woman and i'm not trying to say anything else. But every brilliant movie we have ever seen was shot by a man and cut by a woman because women could be inches. I'm not kidding. Sally minkin quinn tarintino mart. Scorsese's early films by a woman. Thelma like trust. it is the facts. It was shot by a man it was cut by a woman. Moonlight shot by man. Cup woman sorry very hot. That's a hot take because every time a woman explained to me what you had a dream about the night before. I feel like i have to edit her. But she's editing your bs different because men no offense not to be like a this bit. I'm totally stealing it from him. But he's like men weird just like spray the world shoot everything. Because i'm a man. And i have guns and and a woman could be practical as she could say. We don't need this. I know you enjoyed spraying your camera. All over it but we need to do. I sound a little exact snyder does that. Yeah me personally. I think that everything they did with doomsday like it was a caricature of what that villain was going to be. I don't care what anyone says about that lois lane. What was her purpose. Y'all should deleted her out of this movie. I know there was rumors about the fact that she wasn't available as much time as they would've liked her four and that's why her scenes got cut short but like everything with lowest. What why is she in africa. What is going on. I was just thinking what is going on with this woman wise. She's so superfluous to this film. And so i had a huge problem with that and then just the overall pacing. This man does not get in a hurry to get anywhere anywhere except for maybe to bring out the next movie. So i had a huge problem with that but i think the biggest problem that a lotta people had with this movie is the one that march has with this movie and you know we teased it earlier but we are here to. It's it's time for the martha conversation mark. Are you ready. i'm prepared. I've been prepared for this for a long time. And this is one of those arguments where i go into it. Sorta hoping to lose. Because i want someone to convince me how this scene. Which really is the crux of the movie. You have to buy into this. If you're going to buy the rest of the film now as a viewer. I can step back and say okay. I really wanna see batman and superman fight but it also be cool to see them team up and then have wonder woman there and have them all be a squad together and go after a worse enemy so i like that but this guy batman has dead set and he gives that great speech to alfred. If there's even a one percent chance we have to take it as an absolute certainty and he makes these cool weapons out of kryptonite. And he's got this crypto tony spear and he's beating the crap out of superman. It's an awesome fight. It is epic and they're crashing through walls and floors and ceilings and eventually batman. Get superman down. And superman is weakened by the kryptonite fart. Grenade that bruce made and now it's time it is time to hit the clutch shot. It is time for bruce wayne to turn into ray allen and break some hearts because he's got that spirit and he rams it in and he's about to do the deed he's about to end superman and says safe martha and batman. Here's that and conveniently. His mom's name was also martha who died tragically and he says. Why did you say that name. He has to know this. And mike i cannot rectify in my head that this guy has been training for this one singular mission for this long. And here's his mommy's name and suddenly was like maybe i gotta get this alien guy a chance after all. How does that sit with you in the movie is that is it a quality of the movie to you. Is it something that you're like okay. It's not great but we it's a hurdle to get over and it's worth getting over. How does it hit my count asking that film that moment still resonates with me and i love it now. Let me preface this by saying. I think from a writer standpoint and i'm not a writer i think there would have been a better way to address the actual wording of it with martha martha kent. I get the yesterday martha but for me. And all the talk about batman killing in this and that and this film this an let me preface by saying people say. Batman doesn't kill batman absolutely does kill kill in the comics. He's worn a gun at one point and big bullets as well that was adapted and that was changed. That's okay and changes in. It's different for everybody for you to say it's not my batman that would be what i think is better because batman kills. We've set up this after twenty years. This is a batman that has lost robin's great speech with alfred about how many guys are left. You know We know that there's a robbins. We don't know if it's jason. Todd or dick grayson. We know he's lost people that are close to him. We know he's got a history and we do see him. Killing this is a man. That's lost his way. he's not who he was anymore. And in that moment there's this this man who was giving his life up an alien who's not even of our world that would give his life up for this these people this world and in that moment bruce becomes human again. Here's alien teaching him humanity. That don't worry about me. Save martha and it's it is the moment in notes. Weird that you know. We can't save martha kent. Because then that's defeats the purpose. I think there could have been something with the editing and the way he goggles the word martha and then he says kent. They could have tweaked a little bit better than i do. See why people have a problem with just the named martha but for me. Here's an alien bringing bruce's humanity back to him in that forms the bond and we all talk about superman and batman are these these to their friendship is bill. You know we don't get that friendship built over twenty years. This was the start of their friendship But that's solidifies it and here he is looking in. You know i would have been you know you could have done flashbacks through bruce head you having that moment fush for your eyes of his whole life of what my god. What have i done. Who have i become. Bruce wayne used to be this man who would never would take a life and vowed to never take a life in here. Here's was taking this life with no functions and to have to be brought back to that. This guy's dying here in front of them and there's a woman he loves in front of him going over this. His name is his mother's name. I do get why people make jokes about it. I don't feel that. I think it's such a powerful moment and we needed. Bruce wayne mowing people down with machine guns in to see what he's become as this this you know. Alfred doesn't recognize him anymore and he doesn't you know alfred kantoc sent some name or alpha was always the jimmy cricket on his shoulder. That doesn't work anymore. You so far gone yet. Tension with alfred is interesting. You bring that up. Because i jacqueline. I can buy everything about that scene but it would. I would have to take away. One of my other favorite scenes in the film is the first time we see bruce movie where he's flying into metropolis and everybody else is running away and bruce runs into the smoke and it's such a this is a superhero moment. And he's doing it because he saw this alien and again. I'm not saying superman was bad but i'm saying that from bruce's perspective. There's no other way to look at it. This guy wrecked building decimated. His staff a real human cost. It's really interesting. And so here's martha and it doesn't matter if he says martha can't because he doesn't necessarily know who that is either. It's just that he's he's got this guy who killed all these people. Who who shortened bruce. Wayne's christmas card list severely any just. Here's a name. And so mike has got me into the red zone with this but i just i don't think that i can. I can buy it and what eliminates it for me is immediately after. He's about to kill this guy then. They very quickly team up and he's like go ahead. I'll go save martha and it's like i thought the ultimate edition would give us a little bit more explanation as to how they got to that mental head space but again it's a movie and i will say the final fight scene was worth me getting over because i do enjoy them all battling doomsday. I i will just say that As a writer. I want to just say this. It's bad it's bad writing. It's just bad writing. It's a good idea that is executed poorly. It's like you can hear the pitch it's like. And then we make a big reveal that both their mothers in martin and link all of the beautiful things that mike said are in that moments but it was written stupidly. Because there's a fifty fifty chance when you play it the way that they played it that people are going to laugh and i remember people laughing in that moment like it's supposed to be this huge like oh and people laughed because it was just like. Why are you serious girl. More law the bush era uae. Was it telegraphs for you was it. Was that scene telegraphed early on when when we do here. Because i don't ever remember knowing the batmans mom's name was martha when we find out that the her name is martha early on. Did you know where we're going with that. No and like jekyll. I'm glad you said being a writer. Because like i i i'm not a writer so i don't see but i definitely see that i know the moment and what they tried to do and it was the wording in the way in the script I don't have an answer for what could have fixed it. But i don't know if i give it a pass because of the comics that i'm just so used to not stuff like this coming but i didn't see it coming martinez to your question. I definitely see them. I saw the intent behind it and everything by that. So the actual wording and i don't know if it's cavallo's performance in the way he's being choked with the boot on his neck that could change it a little bit You know yeah. There was no way to do it differently. That was more clever that that got the the moment that you wanted. I will admit fifty percent of the people in the audience. Felt the way that you felt. I would just say that the way they set it up you also risking the other side and why it is still debated but you're not alone names about it to this day. Yeah mark hoffmeyer. Our research gave us this. Great article from Mike looker where he says. Maybe the moment is brilliant mike. I think zack snyder will tell you. The check is in the mail. But i'm glad that he put out such a cogent a theory as to why it's great it's interesting to me talking about like the edited version versus that the ethical version. And this idea. That lake zack snyder. to best. When he's a bit reigned in as he was some of his earlier films and as his success grew. And you can't really tell somebody who's made as much money as he did for warner brothers that he's not going to get final cut but looking at the three hour cut of this and then knowing you know industry wise that he turned in a four hour cut of justice league. That was then changed so that we got what we ended up getting with josh wheaton who literally like rewrote half of it. So there's just a lot that you wonder. Is this what we're going to get with with zack. Snyder justice league cut going to have some of that. And there's going to be this huge conversation. The dc fandome. Maybe they like three hour movies. Maybe they like having these like epic long stories of these characters because they love them so much. I am not as much about it and you can count on that team. Though i i would be on that team because if you give me on a marquee batman superman are fighting. Give me a nine hour. Cut all day and so jacqueline in the same way. That half year theater was emotionally. Moved by the martha scene. And half the theater chuckled. I feel the same way about zack snyder. filmmaking making. I think that there's people out there like you say this guy needs to be edited and this movie didn't need to be more than ninety minutes. And then there's other people who say no you have to wait until the ultimate addition to seize. Zack snyder's true vision. And for this movie. I would side with the ultimate edition. I you don't get to see these. It's not like i'm a kid going to a comic bookstore. And if i don't like this comic or if it wasn't fulfilling i just wait until next wednesday when there's a bunch of new comics in my box. This was the movie. The and we're not gonna see batman and superman fight for a long time so i say blow it out. Give us all the action scenes. Give us all the weird nightmare batman sequences that. We're not really sure how they make sense. But it's awesome to watch. And so i do appreciate the ultimate edition more than the theatrical cut because there was actual content in there that i cared about. Yeah i mean basically the differences that the actual coat was something like what two to twenty two fifteen somewhere in there and then the Ultimate edition gives us another about forty some odd minutes A lot more story. It gives lowest more to do a lot of the things that were cut were her stuff. Use spend a lot more time with clark grappling with the reality of his actions and man of steel. So there's a lot more in the ultimate edition and some of my favorite portions more time inside bathtubs with lowest lowest in the bathtub which again just solidifies like that woman had nothing to do but base. I would point that. If couples are struggling out there. I would say go. Watch the bathtub scene in the ultimate edition. So you would you can forge mike. There's a scene that i was watching and again. I'm not sure if it was in the theatrical cut. But it's right after bruce's having the batman nightmare scenario and then flash shows up from from the some sort of flash point magic with that in the original cut or is that ultimate addition stuff. Yeah that was in the original too. Where was i. i don't remember. And i don't know why they didn't put out the ultimate cut like 'cause nobody's going to buy a ticket for a three hour movie from audubon offers disagree. I wait a minute. Let me just before you say that. And like i appreciate that. You have an agent at work in this. But i would tell you about box office numbers the more minutes you are over to twenty you are literally knocking millions of dollars off of your box office potential. I beat that all the time with the shows that. I'm where i do understand is like you've got to get a film under so. And so because they gotta show x amount of theater every single day. I forgot which i think we were talking about. Endgame with some people about like. They've earned three and a half hour film but then over time and some theaters. Were only endgame for that entire weekend because it was so much. Because you're cutting down and the time that the theaters again we get over. You make a great one because a lot of people just not just unaware of it of how the industry works and you have to hit certain numbers per day So and it wasn't like a film bombed and then his next film. Okay just like we got to cut this down to two hours. This was coming off ministy which was like six fifty. The box office was a good hit for them so they probably. I don't see why they were like but they're probably going to be a big one for us. We got to see as many times. We can get a two and a half hour. And it wasn't just batman and superman kids you get to see wonder woman. You knew a lot in this. They're trying to get a lot done in and it's really funny yesterday. Armie hammer put up a picture of the original justice league that was actually set forth by warner brothers with george miller directing and it was armie hammer is batman. It had john trona yes. Dj man. what's his name adam. Brody was the flag woman yes and it was that was going to be the justice league and they were going to start off the way that they sort of started off. And what's really interesting is when you go back and look at the history of warner brothers. They have this. Ip which is extremely valuable. They've always added and they've always had it and they saw what marvel was doing but they were extremely impatient. They they saw what marvel was doing and they didn't realize that first of all let's remember the first captain america movie that was at paramount. That was not all under this disney banner it came together in coalesced and a lot of like separate pieces but they started with stand-alones and marvel kinda got over the fact that like the i was at universal. The first Captain america was at paramount. So they weren't playing with all disney money until they're getting close to the avengers and so in. Wbz start with the justice league. Move forward. And i think it just really kind of shows that they don't i don't think they know the the long game. I don't think they'd just one invest in the long game at this point. I don't know mike. What what are you know i. It's funny because i i was talking to lucy about this. They were doomed to fail. What's the saying you know. Don't do damned if they do damned if they don't like yeah if they would have done. What marvel did donna batman film or one one film building to adjust league. It was like all the bring the mcu blah blah. And then. They didn't do that and everyone's like why don't they. Just do it the mcu did i remember at the end of bbs. One of the guys i was with. He's like what no no post credit scene. That's what a wasted opportunity is like. That's marvel's then. They're not sitting up the next film but he was so trained in marvel has done such a good job training audiences to expect. This build shared universities post credits. The building this character comes in from this. When you get that. And i was thinking if this film came out either i'd say pre ironman or let's say maybe five years from now. I think it would be much better received because snyder had a thing. You know his majesty was his own thing from their like what. How can you build the dc. Universe's off of your man of steel. And he said okay and he came up with a five film plan. That was his version of the film. It wasn't direct from the comics. it wasn't like hey. We're taking storylines and character going to look like they were in the comics. I'm doing my own thing. And it just was not bright for audiences in it you know loved or hated that came out right around civil war which was kind of this watershed moment for the mcu which was so damn good in using spider man and they just hit all the right buttons and in for a lot of people to vs did not hit those buttons at the same. Time is a poor timing. Poor timing in this film. I think it's also the civil ward sort of did the same thing batman versus superman. Were you took iconic characters. That had not had their standing movie to that. Point in the mcu with black panther was spiderman. And they put them in there and they gave them enough action for us to be like. I need to go see that movie that movie. And that's the genius to me behind batman vs superman. That's why i'll defend that. And his jack was also defend justice. League is because i think that if you had done a standalone movie of aquaman or the flash or cyborg possibly even wonder woman before we saw them in action and all. Those movies are doing that. Well wonder woman. I think would draw at the box office but not like it did because we got to see diana kicks so much ass for the last third of batman versus superman and so i don't i think oklahoma was a joke. Aquaman was a joke that he was he was a stand alone. Movie in entourage. Only and you had to see aquaman before you had to get a little bit a proof before you buy the pudding. And i think that's batman versus superman disagree about that and i am not a fan but if you give me an aquaman movie a flash movie a wonder woman movie and a batman movie which is more akin to what the mcu did because they did hulk. They did captain america. They did door and they did iron man. Then you're fine. You're right trying to pull in cyborg. Look we know went to charles showed up by. Let's keep a real. We know in these characters show up. They still didn't we just now. Maybe in twenty twenty one going to get a black widow movie. We know how this works but it could have happened. They just needed to be patient. And i i just think they're looking at the billions. The marvel is megan. And they're like look. We have these things we need to get it going. And and that's just what they did. Look i think it could have been done better and you can find me if you want believe. The snyder cut coming. So maybe i'll be proven wrong. I think also the one thing that did not have was a shepherd to do this. I mean this guy has been with me universe. I remember watching some dvd's of like x. Men and fantastic four and he's in the background it. These big production meetings just taking notes. He was part of it from the beginning and in to take you know what they did. And i think there was a change after justice league and everything you know. That's going to be a story for another time to find out what all happened in the history of just i cannot wait shoe horo. He was finally gone and they brought him walter hamada. Who really kind of seemed to have a love of this is now living filmmakers. Do the film's without going. Hey and i'll say this one woman. Probably my favorite the dcu. I love that film. But i think when that was what was going on because it was right around suicide squad. It'd be but they didn't touch it. They didn't try. Must've and i'm gonna say this. I think the heads at warner brothers like you know what. It's a female starring film with the female director. They weren't worrying about it because to this day films led by fema director with female. Superheroes didn't do well. So i think the male mentality of the studio. Luckily they fought like that because they left alone in. It's the gold standard of dc. You patty jenkins what she did with that film. That's what needs to do. So i think it was a happy accident. They didn't touch a try and manipulate the film at all they were to focus on suicide squad and we saw it we got with. That is the only thing they they ruined harley quinn because of marketing that movie is really fun really great and the just the because they called it birds of prey and didn't want to just be like harley how then move. We didn't do banana box office. I have no idea because they call the birds of prey on your run. No it was like birds of prey. They called birds of prey and then like thirteen thirty. But the only thing that's showing up on the marquee is birds of prey which is why halfway through the run of the movie. They switched it. You're right you're one hundred percents terrible decision. I if i can go back in time i don't just as a fan. I don't want anything to replace the excitement of when i was a comic con. And they made the announcement that the next movie in the dc. You was going to be batman. V superman even knowing that they might be forced feeding us a little bit. They might be walking into a trap or biting off more than they can chew it. Follow a lot like the start of a new football season for me. Where do i think washington in my head is going to win the super bowl probably not even get to the playoffs. But nothing can dampen the enthusiasm and that kamikaze. It was actually a during the the very short period of time when schmos no we started a website. We were breaking news and we were one of the first ones to get that scoop up there and our site crashed because we didn't have the bandwidth all fraph christian hoffner walking around comic on panicking about the cyprus super excited because they showed a tease to this day might be the greatest us i've ever seen. It's just batman that armor and he's looking up and he flashes bat single. Then who's in this guy superman and you get those red is and it's like jesus i gotta wait a year for this is. I'm getting chills talking about it. So for whatever issues. I have with this movie. I still feel like it brought so much good and it showed the film making genius. That zack snyder is but i do agree. With jacqueline. there are parts of it. The need to be reeled in not necessarily the length of the film. But just what you're showing in that story what you're trying to get done be the sometimes it's not a buffet comics especially are not a buffet. There's too much out there. And if you fill up your plate you're gonna make yourself that's great for everyone wants cruise ships come back. That's a great tip. They love to throw the food as you. Stay away from the carves. Don't get full sewer. Just just you know. Dylan little sampling. But i will say this for the for the fans one. They are loyal and they love these movies. And in a way that. I don't think marvel fans would have been as loyal like marvel fans. Seem like they're that dude where it's like if you gain ten pounds. He's he's he's looking elsewhere. I mean you really is like. They're not sticking through thick and thin tough times. the fact said that like i just recently realized. There's this hate online for endgame. Yeah like this just vehement hate for any game. I'm like what are you talking about. I mean it's like whoa. Yeah right fans are passionate and their passion is sometimes directed in ways that i wish they would seek elsewhere however i will give them this. They're so incredibly loyal to these characters and they just wanna see him. I think they just want to see them doing anything. But for me. My relationship with dc. Somebody like one of the very first comics. I ever picked up with death in the family. that that batman comic i loved batman deeply animated shows stayed with it but when they started making the films especially this last batch when i was a reporter to me batman and d. c. really feels like the boyfriend who was great for the first two years of your relationship and then he cheated on. You just kept coming back. Because like he cheated on me. With batman and robin and i was like we're done but then he came back with the dark knight trilogy and i'm like he loves me and i know that we're going to be together. And then he slept with my sister when he gave us a suicide squad. I mean like it is too. And it's just i love him though they love it. I do love him. But i'm just saying man like i can't be with you. I love you. But i love me more but i i think i think patterson's come with a puppy at christmas for the puffy at christmas and these come with their puppy soon. If they get back in there. I just want all of you ought to be the girlfriends of mine i told you i told you i say go. So good jacqueline come on. It's good it's good word. He's he's got a butler. He's got a great. You can have a whole wing of wayne manor. You don't even need assumes before mark full me once fully honestly at this point. I can tell you when i saw that. That matt reeves batman trailer. I see bob pattinson. And i can call him. Bob and i see a lot of ben affleck in that warehouse. Mike yeah i see that attitude and i'm getting i'm getting revved up again. He might be he might be. My boyfriend keeps coming back into my life. And teasing me. But i am. It's about time to get teased again. Even even batman and robin. I still find stuff. I love here ago. This is alfred moments. The clooney alfred moments man. They're great those moments of the two of them together are awesome michael alfred. Great alfred. i will see your alfred. And raise you silverstone i got out of here mike So so i mean. Obviously you love it. Do you think this movie should be fresh. And i'm guessing all zack zack. Snyder films you pretty much feel the same way and desperately excited for the snyder. I'll tell you this. I've talked about ad nauseam to people. I think people that love snyder are gonna love his four hour cut. I think he'd justice league. You don't be managed deal you're not going to like this for our even if his entire vision you're not gonna like it. I don't think we're going to get more of snyder. Look we talk about batman. We've talked about x. Amount of films and how many you seen how many times. We see the pearls in the martha moment of being shot. We every film in it. I'm sure pants and we'll have it. But the fact that snyder if you watch film you watch jeffrey dean morgan. At the beginning he does something that no thomas wayne has ever done. He balls up his fist and start charging the guy so the little things like that and batman in this film of y love. He takes what we know about batman and flips the dynamic of it and gives it a fresh light like so little moments like that with you know. Thomas was actively trying to save his wife's and son whereas before it's like oh it's okay. Here's some money known. We're not going to hurt you. And this is thomas wayne. It sets a different. Bruce wayne goes later in the film. Was like you know the first generations of wayne's were hunters. That's what we did. Oh yeah. I forgot that line. I love letters. Jacqueline it. That's the line. That that. Bruce alford because they've been at odds the whole movie and he's about to go take on superman and bruce starts telling this story nearly where you're going with this be we. We kinda got some stuff to do. And he gets to that point where it's like the wayne start out hunters and then just drops the mike jacqueline. I got bad news for you. I got really bad news for you. I think i'm getting fresh with this now. Being i got more champ i got to you and your sleep. Martha mar no. It's tough to rectify entire movie. Martha i apologize to everyone off of do i pick martha is is a trash seen. But i think kalinowski has corrupted my soul. Just enough to get me to french up. So i'm going to give another one for you buddy. This again is now towards the end where we're talking of the film and i think i've used this line over the four years of our world of what we're dealing with right now. Were bruce says that you know dies like men are still good. We fight we kill. We betray one another. But we can rebuild. We can do better we will. We have to that line of superman what he taught him. It's like that sets up you know. Here's this man and it speaks us as people like we are. We're terrible to each other. We kill each other. We fight but we can be better. We have to be better and we try you know. Let's say what you will about a comic book movie though the just fluffy or whatever. But that's what that's what culture is and movies and film. It speaks to who we are. It's because the people of what we are and in that moment bruce wayne was all of us he was. We are these evil destructive people we can be but we're also these wonderful people that have such a capacity for good and superman that he's from mantis deal. You know people. You'll be a light to these people will come to you. Walk in the sun with you. It's like here's this moment and again. And i get it the writing. I wish i had. I don't have an answer. I don't know what could have made it better. But i just see that. And then he think that's where the film that there's just so much goodness i out when we're closing. I'll say something about this film. That i think will resonate for future. I just think it was different film. That people weren't expecting it wasn't a comic book. Strict adaptation and. I think people need to look at it. Maybe with a different lens going going. Okay this is not the comics brought to life with the does. This is these superheroes through a different lens. And maybe that gives people a different perspective. Wow well you're gonna make one of these evil people. Because i'm gonna just go ahead and say it i didn't care for the lens or the framing and you could save me and my cold dead heart but i will not change my. I was so no. Now get there an editor and maybe there's a good movie. I will give you this. There is a good movie in there. Okay but we didn't get it because they're not doing. I agree with you. Jaclyn league you said earlier like i. I'm with mark. Like i can see through five. Our batman film i will in this and there are films. They'll see this. This is not a film that i put on just to watch like sue civil war offer that thing on just having onto the background. I'll turn like there's a great scene. I love this part. This is awesome bs. I don't come off feeling great after the film. It's a dense film. That i have to sit down and watch but that's just the type of film it is to me. I wanna thank you for that insight and honestly a you did move me. Your words did move me. If the of the film moves me half as much as your words. I wouldn't dislike it so much but i agree. That rotten tomatoes is right. The movie is rotten though. I wish everyone in it. Well and i will be there on. Hbo max to watch the snyder. Because i live in this world My coming at any any final thoughts from you on the film. I mean obviously maybe telling people to watch it. Yes i'm gonna say this. I've said this many times. I it's a hill. I'm gonna die on forever. I get so much crap for it. But i also get a lot of love for. I think this film batman versus superman cut don of justice. This is the bladerunner of our generation. If you look at bladerunner back in eighty eighty two or whatever that film with. It's all different cuts people watching that like. What is this. we're watching. What is this i wanted. Hans solo after star wars. I wanted space battles and this is. What am i android unicorn. What is this replicant. But look at that film now. A classic so i'm saying twenty thirty years from now after the different cuts are done or whatever. Batman versus superman will looked at just as great as blade. Runner is and it's it's the bladerunner of our generation. Saying right. now. I've said it before. I'll die in this hill. That's good yeah. I mean you made my face do something funny mike. When you first dropped the blade runner but looking at it was looked back. It was a disaster. People walked in indiana jones in in the future and get that they got something very different. But you can go back and again blade. Runner is not a movie to put on on saturday. Night for kicks while you're getting ready for your date. It's a movie you sit down and you watch and it's dark and gloomy. I just hope. Batman vs superman isn't such a harbinger of our future as blade runner at all. But i'm going fresh jacqueline. I am with the audience on. And i'm not saying it's fully. I'm not saying it's it's got a. I'm not certifying it as fresh in my mind but i think that batman v superman the ultimate edition does enough to get me to fresh cut. Geez it's fresh adjacent. But this one i'm going to say is just over the line for fresh broke the point you sold out wearing the goggles rambus. I'm just like i. It's okay i can can. I'm comfortable enough in my skin. Having been a rotten tomatoes for quite a bit out and go ahead and say i m okay with calling it. A rotten mike. Thank you so much for. This is really fun before you get out of here Tell us what you have going on. And where folks can find you online. Yes at mike cullen ski. That's my twitter handle. I had mike underscore after my twitter was frozen for whatever but at my colonoscopy. That's my twitter instagram. I love twitter. That's my social media platform of choice. I love interacting with people there. Curly on the espn network during the mandalorian review. Show every friday morning at nine thirty. We hit it fresh right away like that. Spoilers filled. I got a book. I'm working on right now. I can't talk about it because the publisher won't let talk released the title but if anyone knows me knows the movies in the movies i love. It's all on that kind of vein. And as soon as i can talk about that i will get it out there and let people know where they can find it and what it is mike. That's very exciting. Is there any truth to the rumor that your twitter froze because you just kept defending the martha seen over and over and over again and dwells like. Hey we got we got. We got to let this guy cool off for a little bit. It a little little more political than that was the bots batman. Enlisted the body mike. So since you are a comic book aficionado and a movie aficionado. Any anything you want to recommend to our audience for them to check out watch movies. Yes i think there's a great great. Tv show. that came out is almost ten years ago. Called the call human target with mark valley. It's based on dc comics. Character ran two seasons. It was a great show it's available. It's not all the streaming platforms right. Now it's in dc universe in all their things that you might be going. Hbo max soon. That's a great great show. I'm trying to think of what else 'cause i. I like all kind of popular stuff. I wish i gave you some kind of niche thing. That i'm watching. I'm watching south. I'm watching daredevil. That show is so damn good. Oh god what to know. What happened with the netflix. Netflix marvel stuff in what happened. Why that didn't keep going is such a conundrum but those shows are so damn good human target trying to think what else. Oh strike back like good action stuff. It's a little bit on the machiko side. And a little kinda but if you're a good action stuff it's called straight back. It's five seasons. It was on cinemax nuts available on all kinds of amazon prime stuff like that live. Thank you mike. Good rex jacqueline if you if you enjoy the streaming the movie. We just talked about batman. V superman the ultimate cut. You can get the the version. One i think is freshman. I think is rotten on fandango. Now and voodoo you can follow me. Jacqueline at mark ellis live. And if you do so you're probably going to see me talk about a show that i co host called the movie trivia schmo down. And if you check that out you're probably gonna come across a young man named mike kalinowski who is one of the most brilliant trivia minds. I have ever come across my many years. And i've seen them all kids. This guy it you put him up there on the mount rushmore of people who know comic book films inside and out. He rarely ever misses a question and if he does. It's just a matter of his brain tuning at the wrong moment and mike. I think that for somebody like you. Who's had to study batman. V superman so much and watch that movie on a loop to study for matches. It gives me that much more creative that. Hey if you re watch a movie that much and you still font over it like you do that. Speaks to me. Th- that's that's impressive filmmaking that it's got that rewatch ability so i'm happy to hear that if i have to watch that film again i don't mind it it's when i have to get stuff like ghost rider. Spirit of vengeance swan thing to when those kind of things happen after. Watch those over and over again. I'd do it. For the love of motown i love for the swamp think television. Show that the film. Please show love for the television. Show mark thank you so much again. Always folks can find me on every social media platform at that jacqueline. Because i'm that girl that talks about movies and you can hit us up at rotten tomatoes on all social media. Facebook twitter instagram. Let us know how we're doing. Share the podcast with your friends and more importantly please whatever platform. You're listening to this. Please liken subscribe. 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Special Delivery Podcast - Michael Kent Jr

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Special Delivery Podcast - Michael Kent Jr

"Martha Kent Junior. Welcome to special delivery. Podcast here at Sports Bit Solomon now known as Multiple Kent. It's very very important for you to stay alone as it. Trying to renew iron wrought yourself but DOJ want appeal it back and introduce you to everybody and special delivery podcast. Ask that much this she. You're an answer that you would partner up with moldable group on trying to make progress as a partner shipping training. Congratulations Yeah thank you Massive opportunity for myself and to be honest one never saw coming star of the year. Tell me about the meeting because make pry prices. Roy is an ECLECTIC cut. I think he's he's a deep thinker. He knows what he wants and he goes and gets it and he doesn't mean these words. Tell us about the meeting is he's Dave think of it doesn't Stuff around you know. He's racy manager Luke Rubinsohn. Who is now working for you? Long as they are rising manager toll team in February at the Sydney classic style that he was leaving and blessings and literally within three days. The found out after the fact He gave me a cold. He said long well. Yes it on Dennen Roby the south grounds. He said I'll see you in five minutes. And he gave me an opportunity to be training partner. which was a massive massive one for me So quickly cold people inside circle and went through it all and had a meeting with Mick wake lighter went through the nitty-gritty and We shook shook hands. What would you connection with MC price proud of that? So I've been working my Dad Potong. Who is trying to Kramden But also doing stock work boy and selling horses and Managing Phoenix Thunderbirds. Australian bloodstock Phoenix. You would know Are Join Loving Gabby And they're getting big. They've spent close to a million lost around the world They've got now Sixty racehorses in Australia and fairly broom is are they getting big quickly and we had Taibbi San and training with Mick process the white colors with the orange and it's always Dealing with make a bit like that and I think I suppose he took some notice of me during that Tom Period. And as I said that's how he's. Brian Works Mickey. He's very good to make a quick decision and not around and he's awesome and I'm glad you did you vote in Britain. The Guy some must've made a big decision. Few to accept. Israel was a partnership with MC pros. You talk to your family. Your father. You mentioned make taint as a mobile group winning south when your mother Viki also stems from a racing family and father bobby scarlet right as a junkie headed. That meeting with the family family was a deal. Yeah let's talk about Everyone David blessing including dad honestly mid-process one fifty eight great ones massive business. Probably the third holiest number of horses in training in Victoria. We're at the moment And on the other hand Dad small business probably Didn't they'd be there for the time being I'm only twenty nine years old so you know it was a bit of a Ni- Brian for me to go out with Mick and get that experience and I'm very thankful that he the Also gaming the tomato could have just been an assistant to him but to put me in the partnership is really good of him And and I think if for sure so guy back and come back to the setup and the business model of the stable with you. Seventy five boxes at Caulfield and you set stand up and obviously trying to get out of that and spelling but tell me you're born and bred in the game you're well traveled those young man in in thoroughbred racing because we'll let's predominantly stop with crab father coty state. There's a picnic jockey. Himself was growing up in a rising family with the debt as China. Yes I literally the whole family racing so as you said. Dad's a educates jockeys in Hong Kong and the Donkey Club there On my mom side. So Mums Dad was champion apprentice. At Coalfield he was very good. Trier himself MOM's brother is Robert Scarlett. Who was a group? Winning Jockey won the plight. He now is Anthony Friedman's nine Trou- shawls central lines super seth thile asking for tips and then turn ankle and that family as well as a stupid Tori and cousin who's also a steward so so you can imagine we talk about on Christmas Day. So it's all there and growing up so I went to Melbourne University. Did the Bachelor of science in pre veterinary but to be honest. Just didn't have the passion I wanted to be a hole through But appease my parents and went through school and Melvin University but was working for David Highs Lindsey pock walls it Fleming at College Melbourne Elven and just track every morning and every weekend I could Then attention question grew up in Cranbourne cranborne steeped in racing history and finding off. It'd be the future of Mick price and Michael Cane racing is moving next year to try and so it's funny Y worked out CREMINS. Amazing Setup Rudy. It's a purpose built training casulty where there's a thousand horses training a training complex And really important to getting back there. I know it very well heavy. Hey we have is your whole husbandry whilst you were going through school where your hands on learning the mechanics and the writings of a stable lading hoses. Washing holes is rotting. Olson was a little school. I with that direction. Now is both at the same time. And I've got my dad to think that mostly he's He's cepeda meal of a good horseman. My Dad he's very well read. He is a very good rotter himself he won the amateur jockey primitive three times as a young kid. Has You nice on woman in a very broad and he you know maybe learned the hard way so I was working for him all the way along doing boxes to begin. Game with and Strapping horses then. I did the picnic cirque myself so I road and even had mind Austin's when I was twenty three to train only because I wanted to sort of get away from died and just do mine thing and put on you better as every young kid does but it's still had he's Advice on the way but go in the mornings and broad three of mine that I was trying for the picnics. Before I started dad my grandpa would be doing the boxes. Susan telling the horses up in between and we had a lot of fun doing that so I think have come to throw away until the basics. Dad's also big into the science of things I've been to sea many surgeries understand. If a horse has problems with row to it's knees and needs chips removed Aubain Dec- surgeries surgeries of what would vets a different style. I've seen a lot of the different aspects so I I think that's really put me in good stead as as a trainer because you have to be across everything we all the Horse in training and you'd understand all of the inflammation Intel. It gets front you each day and and then process that and then put it back out to your clients. And I'm really thankful to my father especially in my family that They've helped me. They get a good grasp of of trying little places that cheeks jigsaw puzzle in the picture inevitably because everyone is an individual and locks to do. Everything's certain why in the more easier you tap into that. Is that the cater to training also. Is that what you learned early doors. When you took training losses to tap into that individual you'll holes to get the best animal absolutely no doubt you have a general system so we actually know when a horse in the paddock to Rice Day We usually need three Muncie them fit entirely and basic process but You assess your horse and you get the information back from the horse as you know is it. Todd is happy eating well would let he moved into a different boxx. Some training lighter some of the more work So we have a basic program but yes certain. That's the most important thing about training is individualizing programs. How much fun was it as a young man to take upon training yourself is it nerve wrecking all? TGI When you say you thought you had a great idea but when it came to the crunch it was a lot of pressure on you. Less pressure. The picnics saws virtually trying them. Ron and earned the myself had no one to answer to. But you'll have cacique horse. who had had five starts? Dad manca loaned it and it was fought duck eggs. I was slow horse. That's fair enough to side anyway. Like I got what him and we easy on the mind and then we won the class. One of the picnics very comfortably and anyway had had a break came back the next season. He's An and two five star winner. I saw him white fat and it was really good learning experience for me to be tough on the horse and you stand back and look at him that there's no rib showing he of fat horse and I probably didn't help him as the whole thing goes a very good jockey. One forty-one races but I think a good broad and to be honest what elements might make you think that all I i. The basics like understood understood dumb tactics and walk the tracks which I think it was a big advantage of the picnics. In particular. There was a golf course on the inside of the track and sprinkler would pop over the fence and hit the first four lanes now the tracking realized they had four is like a slow seven and the outside ambulance lamb was a fast one now. It's a a huge difference especially bad horses so you have. Yeah you get to the top of the hill and the the form is to the finish post was all downhill so I just title fairly get to the outside fence and I. I think I had thirteen seven win it so I could punch one has the best there but I Just understanding those sort of little things that others Martin helped bit. You'd have a huge respect with some of the difficulties of jobs vice is this denied saying absolutely. Yeah absolutely I think I think broadening and the picnics allows me now to understand what they're seeing out there had we viewed on TV is totally different to what is actually rotting rice. Even opinions is known as Rice's closest allies. But it's still the same. MM SORT of basics jumping in the barriers spot. Quick up and yeah you're a good judge. It's sitting one and having the money on. Yeah photo was I just knew had had ones that have ready to go from a training point of view and a lot to do with steer it. So one forty one rises and Didn't win the Premiership Dad. One Three Lockwood. Meanwhile unfortunately I ran. Second Doc Lockwood Adam Brody who still wants to be griffiths. He wanted to ten years in a row in France up until two weeks ago and he got me light and we're back to seeing pool. We spent five. I think five to eleven. We've seen it before when you file the trying to. What was it law leaving in a different country? Yeah best country in the world. The government is so strong. It's a very safe place for young kids to grow up There's no virtually really no criminal activity So we're very little freedom. Not just run around and Same night since that saw it and it wasn't A rising education for me. 'cause you cannot go racing to eighteen in Singapore so I I was occasionally but look young mostly at school Simple back. Dan was probably throbbing a lot. More than it is nail so dad probably at a time when it was just being decline and he went to Macau then the triumph for three years Macau gambling all and they turnover. More Money then Las Vegas h not so. It's huge gambling area and nor place where mom thought she wanted to bring kids up plus. She was ready to come home to Australia earliest so she brought us and we started school back here while three more years and Macau before he returned time the direction to study veterinarian net Melbourne. I Uni from your father. He must have must have been a point behind area learned and loved. He would breed song John's every note and often knows as much as the vet who walks into stables and Maybe he wanted change vet bills off me but he just wanted me to do that and even if it was going to try and there are a couple of good China's overseas in particular like damn it well the mock Johnson who trained in the UK. An ORLAND who who have vets and also training so That was his idea for me a I got into it. I think it still has benefit to maintain. I understand a lot of the basic in science and veterinary principles revolved around horse racing. But I didn't have the passion to To be eventful time. So when was it after you finish schooling that father ought to be able to work with some unbelievable traumas and get some your starting with William Haggas and also runs at Charlton. Every Richard Jud hennion junior Willie mullins these some of these people are at staining Oestmann and dominate over in Europe. What's that yeah yeah yeah so I just finished the picnic thing I suppose that little phase them Early life and I realized the racing Australia is one thing but racine year it was where it all began. So you market England's landed. I could William I guess and I was there for years Eh as his pupil assistant which is like the junior assistant you know. He's a great trying to he's married. He's married to Lester. Piggott's daughter Maureen okay Top three top four China in England so being you mark is an amazing opportunity. You Newmarket is where racing as not began on the rules about forty years ago. King Charles. The second stumbled across newmarket with these party and this ought to be nice place to work. He's horses and then they began volumes rules racy and that's sort of started and stem from there so steeped in history and even on a as extra to learning well enough William. You missed missed around John Gosden. Michael Stoute All these trying to throw them and you could see them working you know. So there's about seventy acres the kids of manicured Gallup's in new market for us so you can pets A taught tracked Coalfield Flemington shrine training saw. Why don't we rice on tracks really but we also try and inside of those taught drax? England is totally different. It's a fossil a country. But there's just wherever you look lupus grow scallops and poly track gallops and it said amazing place so there's that aspect of it I could see John Goes in how he felt these horses every day and I was taking hiking notes on my ipad and there was also the sales aspect so tattersalls sales company is based there and I have the best styles there every a year The most amazing bloodstock through there. And you know Tober each year for the ealing siles you no royalty this ends upon newmarket shakes. From around the world. The Queen's there would also come through the stable so we have the queen coming into the style horses else's and she'd be quizzing you on how the horses feeling and passionate people and let the shakes of the Arab countries. You know ED coming in. So total totally different ballgame to hear the wealth over there but there's very little prize money so it is the sport of kings over there so the obviously had a plane to go they not just on a work visa just GonNa go over to Europe and shoot the breeze. You're saying you're making notes on your IPAD in down. Was that important to you to document all of these moments. Tell us we're able to document if you like and then remember to come back and tweaking tweaking. Your in your training goes on like a sponge. You know what Dan with fading. They were by work programme. How they do with certain issues? I I certainly may going forward. You know that's a call upon those issues as China. You need us. Remember Pot experiences experiences in a car. That was the problem there had he deal with it. Yeah so I did that. William haggas experience for year. And then I thought it'd be smart collected Rod trackwork Did a stable hoping to I suppose so. I did two weeks with Charlton who probably the most impressive private set up. You'll ever see Richard Hannon junior who is A fantastic China gives the owners experienced screens. Like no other like you can walk in there nine. Am and puppy bowl of fancy champagne and watching horse work from a Range Rover luck defense loss. Yep Breath Willie mullins who we all know. Very famous You know he's built a training industry Literally on a made a circle SANTRAC and so just to see how he goes. So with. Limited facilities was amazing All these different guys Gordon Elliott. WHO's the sort of the ear to Willie? MULLINS is thrown in the jumps racing saying. Yeah so I was just I mean then chantilly Sean Shanty Sean Val. which is Yeah France and Mikhail's trying to Dan was there for a month. That was really good as well. Shaun T's different market rocket trying on the flatbed up the hill but in a forest and it's just beautiful beautiful much separation and the difference Prince on how we have we try and how we pay for we. Brayden rice for sprint. Is here in Australia. When the international right has come for aspirin countable they seem to dominate right mall and a quarter Stang? Rice's so first question we definitely work less fade more shelia so we want more energy. Wholesome their toys? I used to be explosive. And they fade less and work more. So they've been with Dalla and hence white horses you know. They won't be Dallas Styron Europe Europe. They gained away out program sprinting. 'twas waking training and being fed more often like David said L. grow an inch when they get here become. We'll path we'll nate. They developed a ten foot which wasn't insane previously The reason You know they've got amazing facilities to try and halt sties this or this up uphill long. gallops is lends itself to training style is pluses the bloodlines Blah Blah so Yeah I saw deep we Staying Blood I've got it all live. Roster has affinities and form on sprinting here in Israel. Yeah Yeah for sure Emit a gentleman by the name of doom at Farrington comes to bloodstock until I have a good offer. A whole specially when you got him purchasing these does it wholesales. What did you learn from dome? It is probably the best agent dog for world with she's very cunning shrewd You know the the expensive lottery sally wants to buy the cheapest best horse so you know as a lot of balling for him With him sorry to say and He's he's the guy also got me. The job with Phoenix thoroughbreds and I suppose that started the Roll into mick price so We also trying to phoenix thoroughbreds. Now got a lot of dealings with daily I'm very very smart. Man You know Even just two years ago he bought to a showcasing call to the sales for the thousand pound so about one hundred Z.. The whole one stop by four lengths. He then got Phoenix to buy into that horse Before went to roll escort it was Bayton and is there but came in and won a group one and leading the year won a group one rolex. Machines names advertise. UH So he's no one three great ones you know he's value must be fifteen million pound. So what does what what street credit executive bloodstock agit massive massive. Yes so you got locked to go and just bother talk all the time and get the name out there doing that but Demagogue he likes to. I bought a cheap horse that turns into fifty million. He's very very smart very smart man defined balling a thou- the right way as a bloodstock confirmation. And then you go to budget and you hand and Bang for Buck Log doom. It's fifty ended up a fifteen million that doesn't have also by the way but structure. What are you going to do? Yeah so we didn't sound who'll versatile like we if you plan for client and usually so you don't want him to get burnt you don't want them to have a bad experience with horse breaks down quickly so For the athlete to get to the track. Yeah exactly so when we look at horse we'll see it walk. Well that's important because I've horses walking well generally biomechanically. Everything's in the right spot. If if something's exist abroad or go bad knees they'll generally walk like a bit of a crab so panther generally gonNA move well when they get on the racetrack and then there's a few other things you look at it you you learn every time it's experiencing But it's a little bit blind value you you know. When you're buying you bought a different clients someone want to body expensive Philly that Even she doesn't win a rice she still value on the in the breeding bond. Thanks those yep exactly and someone some bothers cults to Detroit make it big in the big box more bet the main with the healing at asylum back at the full time to say that walks up every day or low in the morning and in the afternoon and if they coping absolutely. That's very important. Porton do you see the badge. Jude doesn't want to go and work with the person leading it you know. It's often the sign when getting back to your stable a lighter you know he's not wanting to we've got you know little wings the reason why she's so good. She tries her hot at every time. Doesn't want to be. She wants to be funded. That pack Coletta horses happy to be back on as they want to run with the herd. They don't WanNa try. So you WanNa find that special presence things that he's been on the rest them to the wall. The the Alpha mile in the pack would always be out in front hood. That's Washy WanNa buy so definitely demeanor and like cool more very little money when they buy horse like they'll really tested out like if someone's at the siles umbrella like they'll say stand your horse over there and they'll say you know is it does. It is a brave. Most horses would be. You know those sort of things really important when you belong fine horse especially for a bit of money. The one percent as you've mentioned winks. Can you train competitiveness into our bread even if you might be able to spot at healing yeah you can visual the probably. The best way to do that. Australia is to over train. The Horse Cape Them. I'm willing to run so we from work on the broad and keep them restrained and that's often a good way to have them when they get to the right and they're like let me go you. I'd like they've really want to attack the lawn like John saw has been very good at that over in Hong Kong. He doesn't go very hard at all coming into town wisely when the tank whereas if you're on the track you know they get to the rice and making all he'll be gal again. I'm going to get hurt anymore. Exactly right if you if you worked in a bit eighty percent. They're thinking great. How easy is this? You know account went to be going faster so you relied on natural talent on the die together that that next level correct and that's mostly how Australia's trying whereas in Europe that would be more likely to give them a good up a hill and retest them out on the track whereas in Australia. We you know we know that I can. I go can work. We never fully see it on the right track on the training track. Sorry Also pay the mood was very big on a horse. Beijing Gallup by Badajoz on Tuesday the following Tuesday. He'd make it with more inferior horse. There he'd have a win united the forces that can influence building confidence. Of course all those things come into play and we we use those principles cross racing. Jimmy can be very simple. Thimphu get them fit kitten sound but happy confidence. That's still very big part of it. So if you're trying to contain ninety percent kick something that's Netra roar ability when you let the broad who would you benchmark when you know who's can actually go whenever is in the last Gallup were trial you get must say it has been a lot harder. Oughta to win a rice. I stop you know with trials. Now Nice people get very fit. It's a it's a way of even tries on is as good as other China's Dona trial you you would not fit. trawl again. Okay Charlie again and then you sort of. I'm ready to go rises prices but we get a pretty. We sort of stopped pairing them up with horses each time and then all of a sudden one all right benchmark sixty miles. You've got what a minor Gallup source is the last one hundred thirty one of mine and a bench sixty four and you gave up against that and if it does Gallup will that also use. He's exactly like ninety percent. But if you know if you still want to come back and said hey there was still a bit. There is probably length in front of that whole well. Yeah you know. You're going to smart holes And then just rice to make sure everything goes right. You know you can. You don't have again probably while we don't get them to one hundred percent at home is we. Don't want injuries injuries to occur at home. We Wanna get the racetrack and getting performance Adam so with that process. Is it becoming easier for you to place horses to win. Is that the okay. They kick off their career. When you've galloped him against those benchmarks also you know you've got a good one? He do you lock to start off. Slot will year sometimes uh-huh aggressively FEIS hoses metropolitan areas. Yeah bit of both some like you might have a horse. It's not city class-based aws-based he's going really well to win on his first dot placed correctly at band style cranborne been on an nostrils that Really nonsense galloping horses invading them at time you think well okay you off on a Wednesday meeting and it'd be very good chance so we often darn no one's a moral debut because there's a lot of factors going into a lot of good China's Victoria's very very competitive nowadays. I remember when that I came back to Stralia. You know he was winning with debits all the time on getting them fit. I up in as the population that try China's inventory of gotten better at getting feeders. Stop and and I think that's to do with now. The the bloodstock values have gone up so holly tailing south purchase up. People don't WanNa Weiss runs every project they WANNA raise funds for the you'd go and spend thousands of silence but we probably GonNa try and have that horse as fit as you can to try and we don died on a record experience and infuse trying to okay you pied. Let's say eighty eighty thousand for you might and you're going to get back. Seven hundred thousand in prose money. Maybe with a bonus attached to it. And then you've gotTa Jong gets in Bang for buck decay because it's much fog. Grand Davos one month. Yup So we say about forty thousand for a year. Roughly Yep Yep Yup and is always a few extras yet potentially yeah set. Apply set host Rod. To make sure you're going to get some good experience must be pretty difficult. Nelson's it is. Yeah and a lot of different expectations from Unas. You know some some Happy to lose money just have a fun experience and happy to go around and you know Saturday. Country meetings and and others like which is like Phoenix. Acquis Yulong with two declaws there at the door. You know that don't thought Need them don't moms and dads that. Want to be watching the horse on on. Okay crampons on that. Want to go to the big stuff. So there's a lot of different ahead. Difficult is it to deal with personalities of owners because they will come from different walks of life will go out there and businesses but the passion and there is a thoroughbred horse awesome. Yeah it's very complex. I think I think processes like learning the game for being transparent and frank and that's why he gets repeat business. Mm how you seem on TV being already being open Nevada. Horse's chances exactly how he is tweets so like regular get feedback and that we're the best communicators in the site with earners and that's a big part of my job is giving updates once a week on the horses but we don't give Dougy s we we just tell it how it is the horses training. Well it's trying well. It was had average wake. We'll tell them and if it's not good enough we'll be the first to tell them that's not good enough and you know they might be better off reinvest money another horse next year. We now you'd be supposed to the bay as came pioneer a bit too and we have paid up with you in terms of you've relationship to support MC process dive and we ask that anybody that's looking to get into scientist shift to get at and visit markle and also Karaz because it's exactly what you get honesty and that's what you want when you're paying the bills because we talk about that circling writing whatever goes around comes around in a way you morton unlock it when you first he that you'll says no good then you're on Hemi type the whole somewhere else. Six months later I've spent another thirty thousand in the dry and in the whole still still in the same spot. And that's what's better like that. Or tying up for twelve months resulting. You're still in the same spot with that. Forty forty kind eubanks. So plus I think mix a judge you know. He has a small China so not getting bad advice that the horses no good and he might have missed it. He doesn't Miss Them He. He's very fair on them. Get some fit sound. Good Okay Tom to go. So what are the unconditional 's MC processes. This is Training methods water two or three or four. Unconditional that you've looked underneath make when you go into the business model striding remodel or one of them I think in different from my father is It comes first so if you want something. We'll we'll give it to them like if they want to go to that rice this very much. They pay the bills. So we're very much about the own But midst mix mixed trainings very simple. You know We get them all. Pray train before they come to us so they do Four weeks so basically if three months of training program from Paddock To Rice the first month is just slow dogging and a side of the money we waste one of Al we got three or four patroness up breath then they come into the stable wake five and they basically just build up with some galloping twice awake then you get to about wake non on the third month and that's when we do trauma to John Pats to more gallops and then rice so that's very very simple but mix assist very simple training there's no there's no. Bs How close you have to work work with vets and various Mixed very low on VIC face Often sale markle. Don't across her any money on vets leave it but we have very Santos's cough was gonNA facility there. The track the sand the grass tracks tracks. We've always GonNa Cross so we got very Santos's Maasai so Vet Fees are low. Okay what about seventy fresh. These young man coming into indies mcevers. Dan's I we've got certain circumstances with horses he you've seen him trek with this morning. Tell me what you think Mojo yet all the time On a second set of all as you know we've got a yeah. We try and to our horses. We've got Base so I get down there as well to keep an eye on that way forever wholesales l.. Sorry I'm a big component of buying horses. which is probably the most important thing in a stable? I if Christmas amazing trainer but if winks ends up in in any any trying to stable. She's a champion right. So if we can find those those late horses it's a big part of it you know you can't make Avai four into a into a good horse needed by the sites and the and the Beta so But yeah I mean and try and change. What does mix being mega successful in the top? Five I for the last fifteen years in Victoria so I got a few ideas here and there and he takes them on board but in general alum just the compliment him will make mention that. You're an absolute rules person with Gregg credibility coming from my a rising family very well educated. And he's giving you the opportunity or read with interest that I'd Brian before he turned thirty. GIG At twenty. I James Cummings now. He's he's dominating through team Gulf and got the opportunity before he turned thirty the civil Dan with WASPS building a family. I think. One of the questions to widen was that you need to settle down young man because he was a bit of a young lead. That would get around Yourself you settle down with them. Tian towns lovely go. She's a very good show jumper who works part-time and rising and it was also time to be a teacher at Monash University so she's stain months now. She rods food. We'll be griffiths In the morning to track were and then also helps out the Kremlin turf club and rice dies. It is but Yeah I think it's odd Skrela Fanta. She's really good. I think it's important for anyone in writing to phone a pottery and rising because they sweep work where up at four. Am and you know you. You Not Irregular Times. So she gets it. I suppose it'd be difficult if you're dieting someone that was gonna bid at mid-on but I wouldn't say them and what about Tom. Away from rising obviously was interesting listing talking to you feeling that prior to working from across and getting the opportunity normally have a net throughout the dive it makes starts. It's a little bit lighter Explain that too yes. I love stables Obviously the stable itself. We work in the morning the horse of a restaurant the the lunch Tom. So we've finished at ten and then we come back to and then we work through to about four o'clock so they have the afternoon shift in the morning shift. It's very difficult on staff in the rising game and because that split shift doesn't have much time during the day but it hold I if you With my dad. That's how to do it. I have a nap at lunch on. But you wake up groggy and takes you to wake up again Bob Mixed program so we get that fall. I've some up at four Staubach at five finish the morning. Traffic could non in the office Until two or three o'clock so get everything done very efficient and then once I lay that office office boom mic and switch off. And I think it's so important and mixed very good at it Sunday afternoons off thing. It's important racing. Can really you know dragging down and and just it's racing every day and every night and if you wanted to you could just go to meetings but it's you know you'd we need to be Fresh to think probably the next day. Sorry getting out at three Three or four o'clock on can just switch off guy. GM had to swim You know what the dog just Normal it'd be normal and You're not trying to answer the fine too much after five o'clock honest so they understand mm stand and yeah. I think it's very important. Twitter handle markle race can't twitter social platforms denied vice book and Is it really important for styles to be more proactive. The Stein Age. I think I think it is. Yeah MC POSS got seventeen thousand followers which is pretty massive So you know if we tweet something out about you know goes door we have or even horse. We're trying to sell like it's amazing. The rates you get get so we we. Let's tweet out positive results from the stable and it's amazing people like don't actually get the permission just let's see what twitter and can say. Gee goes a guy running well and skied so we WANNA get that message that we're we're doing well we're getting results and Definitely TWA ADA is a is a big part of that tell me stifled stars. Where Middle of October we filming this the future for price and Kane Damn You GotTa Lotta Young Hoses not so much Owes his wife's rides dying thoughts Tell us that type of stuff correct. Yes unusually process normally got three or four group one for horses. He has none at the moment. It was funny. The first month I started before the Lawson's essence I for the month of March he had seven stakes wins In four weeks I thought Jeez too good to be true. And then we We're GONNA had one since but that's happening styles stables go into format a form and I think that's because of a crop of good horses coming through well if the role Saturday. Well they're going night and they're going to win the sixty four the grinds we've got we've got that nauseam bunch now which we haven't had lost three or four months Stable styles going forward. We've got a loss. Two year olds. we've got one debut wing Moon Valley this Saturday in the English spanner could river twine this morning at the valley With all the on board always always retained rod the whole troby well last week at Coalfield got while this morning one accuser. MAS I. He's beautiful Colt by head water. The you'll go well We've got an Austin Healey Really Australia. Actually who is she has a brazen Bo fairly who costs four thousand. Her name is waiting for the day. She'll she was at caulfield she was jumping out really. Well she's probably I think F office to you on the stage H.. Just didn't like the Barry's after a couple of times in there. So she was putting the he'll he'll be in the ground not wanted to go in. So we Senate on Taylorsville at cranborne. WHO's a jury with these Barrio? Horses only two weeks Barry Blanket on and had a trolley Kremlin yesterday the jump out in control to She won by three lengths. Brian Higgins road instead She's a jet so we realized who debut her Melbourne Cup Day in a group of freedom the straight right. She's a very very nice philly about three year olds really cold front. Do a Francois One on debut by four lengths at Moee. She's she's a horse We we bought the trawls New Zealand. which you'd like doing We find these horses That Montreal's they want him to pedigree but they gripe tops and they can Gallop Gallup and you can buy them a lot. We bought it for one hundred twenty thousand I think Six weeks light up there is having a full on debuted like So she wanted to get back to what you're saying that we thought would just went on debut because she was showing group cost ability mowing on a Saturday. So we're very confident. She win and Julius Julius Ludwig for the Iras but she's a horse tagging potentially at group ones in the autumn she was just come back into work and We've got a hostess CETERA. Equal craftsmanship through Australia. He WanNA stikes. Rice Lost Adelaide with Hugh onboard. He worked very well this morning. I don't think the vase is an overly strong this year for group. Two so Yeah I think you follow those couple of young horses anyway With taking nights down at standing. You'll Ponta do a backflip today. All Back Doc. Fossils is a month white for white ones that I've seen mono just as stable. But you know you say things when you're watching prices every day that you think loves a good run and that's false and you know if I say lockable at Belk quality horses. I don't even backing away causing awake rice. That needs everything. I want him backing. Saturday guide holes. That's well Downing's company in my in for example but you know if things the the Ronnie can still win so yeah I. I'm not a big puncher. I want to do it. Actually who do you look up to in the training. rinks McGraw's can't and I think definitely Indefinitely Chris Walla what he's done is nothing short of amazing he's all of that system in processes. He's a he's he's you'll never find. You Might WanNa try. And who's more dedicated than him And then over in England on John Gosden had that X. factor about him. You know winning group ones even results. 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GSMC Television Podcast Episode 68: Krypton

GSMC Television Podcast

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GSMC Television Podcast Episode 68: Krypton

"Watching TV has changed over time streaming has become the new norm. That's why Golden State media concepts, television podcast, dives headfirst to the world of cord cutting wants to be on the lube of what's hot and Netflix, or if it's not a preference. What about regional shows in Hulu? We've got you covered. Join us as we fill the blank and talk about movies to stream and what show you should be binging. This is the Golden State media concepts, television podcast. Hello and welcome to the GMC television podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast Network. My name is Sarah and I am filling in kind of for Keith this week. You're actually going to hear from Keith who was not able to be with us this week, but who will be back next week for an all new episode. And so I thought that I would replay some of not an entire episode, but some segments from other episodes that he has done in the past six months or so. And the theme as you see from the title is krypton that is a TV show. It is retelling of superman story. I have not seen it. I am so far behind on all things. Comic book between marvel and DC, I can't keep up and it's just, yes. So really grateful that there are people like Keith who are keeping up and they can. They can help me out with this. So it's a, it's a DC crypt on themed episode today. And without further ado, let's go ahead and turn to Keith's. Take on the show crypt on is krypton. Yes. This is on the scifi network debuted last week. And while I'm excited about this show first and foremost for those of you who watched the main steel movie that came out years ago with him Cavale a superman. One of the things that we got to see what the superman universe this time was krypton look different and at the krypton from the superman original movie with Christopher Reeve and Marlon Brando where it was of icy and cold looking. No, you got to see dragons and all kinds of different things that it was a whole different in universe. So this crypt on TV series, basically, you might think it's a prequel, but it's not. It does go back into superman home world. Cal, he is from the house of l. and it focuses around his grandfather said l. as EG dash l. so. And where do we? What do I? What do I begin? So basically on krypton. What you have is that everyone has a house that they come from. And when you're walking around your family crest is on your clothing, so people can identify what house you're from. So we know at this moment in time that s that we look at on earth pursue commands, logo stands for hope, but that's the symbol for the house of krypton. So in this TV show Sehgal. Like I said, it's the. Superman grandfather. His grab. His grandfather is name is vol, and he is a famous scientist on krypton and it's the dash EL. He's the patriots or the family. As a scientist, he has discovered that there is life outside of krypton and to speak of this as considering like heresy or blasphemy on krypton. You're not supposed to say that or believe in that and this new religion of row is on the. Is rising within Tony government. And so the government believes that, you know cryptanalysts only planet that exists. So basically what happens is that because Val l. scientists has been doing research and he has, no, he has proof that does laugh. House had a crip, Tom, but no one took the Kotani government doesn't wanna hear that. They have a trial for him. They find him guilty and they decided to execute him and strip him of his house rank because he refuses to denounce his beliefs, a'scientific thoughts and beliefs. So sec l. as a little boy and his parents are there at the trial. So they watch their patriotic, you know, they're, you know, his dad's father and his grandfather get executed. And basically Val l. tells grandson, stay strong, stay with your beliefs. Don't worry about me, say true to who. You are and before he gets executed, they strip all of them that s off their chest, which means they'll have no rank on crypto and with no rank that means you basically considered, you know, lower class or poor class. I hate him using that word. I hate that word, but for this for this context of the story to paint the picture, that's what happens. So what happens is like maybe over ten years later after he's been executed and they've been stripped of their rank, you see, say l.. You know, in lower quadrant of of the city of candor candles, they live in Kantor has a lot to do later in superman university becomes, if you've reptiles comics, you understand candor at one point, became got shrunken down to size and putting a bottle. So it was. It was like a one point, the last survivor of krypton after Superman's death and too many even know for a long time. So basically. Innings say l. is running Mike a fighting scam with a friend of his just to make money just to get by in may do while his parents are still working in doing their thing. They just don't have any rank. So and Sissel Sehgal is kind of lost. He's not sure where he's gonna wind up ways going to go. And what happens in this first episode is that you see the he even though he's not sure of where his life is opposed to go. He still has a very strong sense. What is right and what is wrong in regards to how you treat people and sometimes you don't. You know, sometimes some people may not have empathy for others until they go through similar trials and tribulations, and that might have been what happened to say or he just might have always headache heart. So this show focuses on the house of l. but also focuses on wait for it. So. After you see Val elegant executed and their rank stripped from them. And you see Sehgal with his friend who's running fight club kind of scam to make some money. They're cut to a scene this dark hall or lecture hall or dark quarters, like a gym and say that. And you see this woman, she's fighting well, she gets chosen the fight and she loses the the fight that she's combat. It's basically a military crypt. It's Ken Doan military, and the head of this military is a woman named Jana Ziad or John Assad airway j. a. y. in a badge side. Yep, folks, you guessed it houses odd. So it appears that she is be ancestor generals that we know Superman's. Foil. His foe is very dangerous. Could Tony info. So. You see, Jana, and she has been sparring with someone this other young, this young woman younger than her, and you find out this young woman that she sparring, whether it's actually her daughter leaders. And lead up, you know, wants to impress her mom and she wants to be a great soldier because they come from a long line of soldiers. And basically what happens is that. She loses the combat schmo. She has to get stronger and learn. You find out that she has been bound to a man in dive Dev em. His Co. Tonia soldier. So on krypton the marriages are arranged bound to somebody. So you don't really have a saying that the family chooses and when you have children, they go through perfect chambers, natural childbirth has been outdated on krypton and when they miss your DNA with your with your new spouse, if they can tell you what this child is gonna be, what kind of position and future they'll have their futuristic very interesting stuff. So you find out through a chain of events. Some some canyon soldiers are coming down to the quarters where sag l. lives and once oh, just starts picking on the older elderly person, who's you know. You know. Handicapped for the most part. And sale comes was defense, and he sticks up for him. And when certain people from the military government see this, he gets he gets chosen to be bound to another one young woman named Nisa vex who her father is the man who stripped to ELS of their of their family rank. So basically he's bound to her, but he's actually in love with leaders out. So there's a whole Romeo and Juliet thing going on. So he's not supposed to have anything to do with her and she's not supposed to have anything to do with him because he has no, right? So there can. They can't future yet, but they're in love and they're both bound to other people. So the story gets kinda later really cool. So all that's going on. But then also, you know, sex happened to deal with all that. And he pops. He wants a meeting, a guy named Adam strange whose from earth he comes looking for second, and he tells them, hey. I'm from earth. And on that planet, your grandson becomes the greatest superhero. The world's ever seen superman, and I need your help to make sure that he survives so much come here to wipe out your race. I mean, wipe out your your bloodline so he won't ever exist and say l. is like, you know, I mean, what would you? How would you feel someone told you that you like is this guy on some drugs? What's going on? He can't believe that hand. He's just like this guy. Sounds crazy. So he tells his parents and Adam strange gives say the house of l. this crystal, this used to open a fortress of solitude. He shows it to his parents and the father tries to take and say, well, let me take a look at it. You know, don't don't listen to what he's saying, but I'll take a look and investigated, and the story just goes from there. I don't want to give away anymore, but it's a great story. I'm very happy. So it's so basically what happens if is Adam strange, doesn't. Help sick l. prevent the destruction of the house of else. Bloodline super mammy neighbor exist. So like I said, it's not really a prequel because it's kind of in the middle, you hitting the background, but there's future and it's going to be other DC characters popping up in his universe on krypton. So this is definitely a show you wanna watch. I really enjoyed it on the side network. Check it out. It's a whole new chapter in superman Sada. So we were gonna take our first break. And when we come back, we'll be switching to another episode but the same topic. So more on the show crypt on after these messages stay tuned. You're listening to the GMC television podcast, and we will be right back. The average sedan is built with a steel frame equipped with six airbags. Remember this the next time you see someone walking drivers be aware, pedestrians, don't have armor a message from the California office of traffic safety. The average SUV has two blind spots ways between four and six. Thousand pounds and takes about six seconds to stop. Remember this the next time you're on foot, pay attention. People pedestrians don't have armor a message from the California office of traffic safety. Welcome back to this crypt on themed. Jesus, MC television podcast. Let's go ahead and get into the next segment about amazingly enough. Hey, krypton. Krypton more from krypton crip ties to. We talked about this before is two new series on the network. You think it's a prequel to superman story and is an isn't because it has to deal with the past of krypton and superman. Themselves cer- man's endanger of dying because someone's trying to raise him from history by killing his ancestor who is say l.. Now krypton. So this story takes place on candle, which is like the capital of krypton. Ken is very famous city because in the comic book, brainiac was able to snatch candor, offer krypton, shrinking down until a bottle, and apparently that him abducting Kantor and ripping out of krypton. That seismic shift is what initially caused krypton explode. You find that out when you watch the watch this this series. So now. What they don't tell you when you watch the show is now you have to deal with three. So this show deals with three houses house of l. Haussa vex and the house of Zad. So what's going on now. Light design has met her son generals out who came from the future who's a part of this resistance group. And. Kinrade is there to try to save krypton. Now, of course, Adam strange hates general because he's superman most powerful vicious enemy. It's basically lex. Luther general Zad no. So his pecking order. Basically it's like lex. Luther generals doomsday those are the guys that give Cal l a hard time. The man of steel. So. What happens is that. There is an attempt to to kill the leader of the row religious movement because people think he's creepy. And yeah, the guy does walk around with like three golden heads. It's a helmet and his three different golden faces. Let's with the row. It's really creepy. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not following you do at all. But it's really cool though because you know, you get to see this civilization and their religion and how it affects them. And you know back when you're watching crypto classes, class system, a caste system the the year, ranked your house or your rank Klis. And if you're rank was the name used basically your poor. So. They try to. So light is out. Mother tries to spearhead the coup with the head with the help from the leader of the house of x.. So. In that would be Darren Vicks Jane Zahed, Lila's mother. So basically she spearheading the coup, but but they don't know is that the leader of the row leader has been infected. By brainiacs alien minion he's infected his body. So when they try to kill him, he opens up his arms and he starts brain sucking all the different soldiers, and he puts his red dot on their forehead and they re program to do his bidding. So and Jane is barely escapes alive. So she wants becoming a fugitive on the run. And what happens is eventually Elida. Herbie trove Deb em play my Ampere. Bay wind up finding where she is and when they find her out, you know out snowy part of cantor. No. To see you and she takes off her mask. And then when dad does it, they don't realize, oh, he's been affected by brainiac. It's got a red dot on his head thing. So they wind up eight tries to play within the come with him so they can be part of brainiacs world. 'cause Deb is like he's showing me things that you would never that you could never imagine. And. They're like, no, we're not doing it. So they wind up shooting him shooting off his arm, and he passes out. And that's when basically. Lighter Jane hook up with Saito, say once again is Gerald father, superman grandfather, Kells grandfather. So. They are working together as part of the resistance and. Lyda tells her mother. You have someone to meet. And then Jane was like he knew about brainiac and was I? Yeah. Tommy. 'cause what would you believe me if I try to, if I told you and Jan was like, no, I wouldn't have. Your mother is very hard core. I mean, Jane is is a soldier, and she is very lots of integrity and honor. She takes protecting Kantor very seriously and the military, not position very seriously. She's arouses very strong house of honor. So the very prominent within the society. So. To tells her mom, I have someone for you to me. The next scene is Jane is out looking at her grandson generals play by Colin salmon. Jonah's played by and a bomoh con Salman plays general's is so we don't know what journals ads first name is. So I look forward to them letting us know about that. So you know what the call him besides generals odd because his grandma was generals to. So she looks at him just hard stare. She's like, who's your father? And then gino's outlooks money as like, you want me to go there and talk about it. Okay. And he says, my father, I don't know who he was. He was a soldier, the died in the war, but I suspect his father might be Devon, so we'll find out what happens with that now, mind you. We talked about Darren vex, you know, the who's the leader who masterminded this COO that blew up in his face. So when he goes to see the leader of row row knows that Darren, their Invex is lying and they, he's the one who set the whole thing up, but he decides to spare. Darren, you know, let him live if he goes after those conspirators that he, you know his after if he goes and kills his co-conspirators because he says, well, how do you propose that we handle this? He goes kill them, all you have to show that show of force to scare people. So you find out the Darin vexes basically a coward and then you know the leader, the leader of rows like so you know tax. Darren, did you have any when I was helping you with this. Don't forget. I know you're lying. I know if you lie to me, I can hear your heart skip, and he says, yeah, my daughter, she's a part of it too, because you know, she must do, here's yes, how kill my daughter. So he goes to try to kill his daughter just to cover his own. But MISA vex play by Wally stay and he sees her. He sees her on the couch and he tells her, hey, I love you. You're almost my favorite, and I'm sorry, I have to do this. He fires the gun, but it's a mirror. It's not really her. She's behind him. She has a knife to his throat. She's like, I never thought you do this, but you did. She at that point, you know her heart broken because her own father tried to kill her. So she realized that she's been on the wrong side of things for a while. So now she's considered fugitive Cima committing treason. So she's on the run now and said, finds this out to save her in? Does like, why do you owe her anything? Light is jealous because sake is bound to marry Nisa vex just like light is bound to marry Dev em. So these arranged marriages within the Tony coacher and sectaire, hey, what I told her I needed to save your life. She didn't hesitate to help me. So what you find out is actually has some feelings for nessa. So basically what winds up happening in the last episode I watched, you know, there's a scene where he's on this. This. Space craft are flying craft, hovercraft a plane, whatever you call with their flying and he's flying with. Nisa and lighter, and he's like in the middle, and it's just a very tense moment because both of these women are basically like in love with him. So, and of course, lies Lubbock jealous because she's like, no. You know he's supposed to be married, you know, she feels threatened because he's supposed to marry this girl and they already have a child in the in the birth chamber that's been conceived hasn't been born yet. So. So basically general gives to me and know his grandmother, Jana. So the three thousand together and now Jana has to become a part of the resistance. And they have to figure out how to take out the leader of of row and just gets more complicated because Adam strange has a falling out with Sehgal because he lied and then tell him they're gonna explode two hundred years from now, so seconds. Like, how can I trust you? Do you think? So how do you think I would want to know about that? This is my world. So you know and said l. has a right to be upset with an because you you should know that kind of information from him because of course you don't want your world and all the people onto die just so your grandson could be flown to earth. Yeah, that's, you know. So you don't know what's going to happen is going to survive, or is he going to get wiped out? Know if Sehgal dies and superman dies. So make gonna look the same when it connected a future. You know, who is euro is going to be will allow or is he gonna win it with light Azadi. I mean, everything's starting to change and Dev em you'd think he's dead, but he's not. They bring him back to life and they have to go after brainiac. They manage to subdue his minion, but brainiac is still out there. So and the the last thing the last episode I saw Brennan kept prevented this befriended. This young orphan girl and his minion did, and his being convinced her to take his his to let him have it her body. So when she goes back to see sex, best friend who's been watching her. He, he's, he's a looking to blow up and kill sake. Adam strange figures out follows her and he stops that from happening. He puts a force field around him in the girl as she blows herself up and then takes them somewhere else. And that's when it cut off. I didn't see who he saw when he saved their life and disappeared, but this shows getting good krypton. It's a prequel sequel of superman story, very fascinating. It's cool to see these major houses down there play and we don't know what the future is going to hold. And there was a scene where we saw doomsday on krypton, frozen suspended animation, and. So we don't know what has origin is in heavy has always been for time. All we do know is that he kills some in the future. So this is this is a great show. It's check it out and that's my cue to jump in here. So we take our second break of the podcast. Hope you're enjoying this crypt on themed episode. Stay tuned. We have one more segment on crypt on, and then a bonus segment. You're listening to the GMC television podcast, and we'll be right back. The average sedan is built with a steel frame and equipped with six airbags. Remember this the next time you see someone walking drivers be aware, pedestrians, don't have armor a message from the California office of traffic safety. Welcome back to the GMC television podcast. We have one more segment of Keith talking about the TV show krypton. So let's go ahead and get to that. I also wanted to talk some more about krypton. Yes. Like I said, the description that Tony twist. So the the season's almost over one more episode left, I believe, but I gotta tell you there was a nice twist that I did not see coming. Last time we spoke about krypton relief. Talk with Adam, strange Satan, sales life from a bomb. Young girl was made into a bomb. She plu up and that was kind of messed up creepy. Amstrad got sent to another dimension or place, so we don't know where he's at. So this episode, the next episode picks up with basically. Sag is in love with, you know, light Azadi of course you know, they're not supposed to be together, but you know, they love each other and. He's bound. He's supposed to be married to miss vex. So who is played by Wallace day. And why does that is play by Gina Campbell? And of course Cameron Cuffy has said l. superman grandfather. So now what's happening now is that. Nisa vex is basically she's lost her ranking. So she is. You know, she's not as powerful she wants was some people actually wanna put her in jail and Sega's seconds about the friendship. They're, you know, they're. So even though they were promised to get married to other, and it was no love. There was always an attraction there that I think said was trying to nor, and when sec. Need it necessary to help him save light as life desired. And he, she made him emit to why lover neces- Lynch. She helped him. So when necessary to help. And of course Ladas like, why'd you helping her? You know, that kind of jealous. Even though she's whether say, she's jealous. Sex says, because when I need help and saving you, I asked her and she didn't hesitate. That's why I'm saving her. So what could lie to say that? So basically, you know, he, he. He finds nessa and they all start working together. What black zero. That's the resistance group that is these rebels. But we found out that general zodda is leading that group. He's light. His odds son already spoke about that from the future. So up until now, we don't know what you know is that name was added. Look it up. They also said it in this episode drew Zad. So. Didn't know what was going on with her mom and why her mom because she didn't know their mom's outcast. Now, outlaw for the attempted assassination attempt on the leader of row. So basically. Sag manages to. Reconnect they find they find. Jane Azadi maya's mom. Who's played by an Bomo. And this is general's ads grandmother. So. Ask her mom, why did you do this? Why did you try to kill the leader of the row movement? And she said, because MRs. Other Darren vex taught me that if I pledge allegiance to him and helped him with his coup that they would spare your life. I don't regret that decision so that we know that moves ladder because you know, is not used to seeing her mom have any compassionate all. So the odds are very proud and noble family. They live to serve. They're very honorable, but they never seemed to be that really open warm-hearted. And we see that lighter as the young lighters is definitely a lot more open warm-hearted than her mom, but we're starting to see the Jana has their. She's just had a wall up for so long. So. Well, okay. Thank you for telling me. She's like, I have someone you need to meet has been the tell you. So the next scene is Jane looking directly at generals ads face just staring at. She's looking at a grandson, she's like, who shall father. Can he looks at his mom Lodhi goes, you want me to say, and. I don't know. My father was, I was told he died in the war and to be fair generals did not know who is father was. So later on this episode, you know, when you know when it's nighttime out, of course, say they get together and they're making a little tent, and you know. Sees them kissing first before they do all that. So that's okay. He wasn't aware that you know, say, and light ahead and relationship. So. Doomsday has been hidden by this certain people in Kantor, you know, their their job is to guard his his suspended animation chamber for centuries of for years, so, but they know that brainiac is still coming. He wants candle anyone's krypton, and here's what we know about general side. And we we know about this is in general. Well, we know this about Jana, his grandmother and him the not afraid to make the heart choices. So Jane Azadi is starting to get to know her grandson, you know, generals odd. And they're sitting and talking. They sit and talk and Gerald's out, tells her hit. Look this Cal. He's like, I don't like this guy. He's considered the last in the crypto because krypton exploded as father. Joe l. sent him off in the ship to earth in Catania, who goes to earth because yellow someone powers. He says, there's nothing special about him has nothing, but dumb luck. He just, you know, he survived. So Jane looks at him and says, well, how did you survive. And he says, well, now, mind too, you know, out is not lying to grandma is like, well, I was way as where she was. Where were you was in place called the phantom zone, a different dimension that was imprisoned there. And he goes, she goes, why would you imprison? He goes well, yeah, tried to overthrow the government runs in the family. And he says that an my friend aroused put me there. But France own cracked. And that's how I got to earth. So you know is taking all this in his like there's nothing remarkable about Callum say, he's just it's just dumb luck the he survived when he did so. But he said that it was another l. who put me in the fans zone. So during his, he didn't say, Giro's name was another l. put me the zone. So James is kind of perked up. So Jana as Sesing her grandson. So then she tells say and her and her daughter lighter that look, you know. Zahed wants to rule out of fear. But that didn't say that, but that's what she took from it. And the one thing that people don't realize generals is a patriot. Yeah, he's got a little bit of ego he does, but this version of journals out the play by Colin Solomon. I'm alaikum so far, tall, bold guy. He's got these piercing is you could tell the, he's not afraid of anything. So. General's Applebee's will. Where we're going to stop brainiac is to unleash doomsday but the like, but no control team saying he kills superman goes, I get that. But this is the hard choice. We have to make. Jana doesn't believe that she tells sag about, you know, what's that said? And mitre and lighted basically side with with our son. So she she likes her son. Why shouldn't she right? So. So you know, it's just weird though. There, she sees a future son who's tolerant over everybody's like six, five, six, seven. You know, she's let's short little lady. So basically a lighter and generals are go to fine. They go to open up the crypt that are the chamber that has doomsday in it. So now when you when you see the seal in the floor, it has, this is the mixture of the house of ELS emblem and the house of Zad. So you see the s. but the that symbol is underneath it. So what we found out before is that it took sag l. and general the cut their blood and cut their hands on bleed on the symbol for to open up. It took the blood of a l. and not to open up this chamber, which means that the ELLs designs were the reason why this thing has been frozen and trapped in this chamber. So when Jana realizes what they're going to do, she goes and tells sag sag Janna follow them to try to get the trying to get there before generals and his mom lighter sex lover. So. Now mind you. So sex. Got this girlfriend Lyda. He's got this future wife nessa. So he's in the middle. And let's say, ladies don't like each other, but they tolerate each other. So you know it's a trip. So basically what happens then, is that. Mm. Oh, I'm sorry. I was just thinking. So what happens then? Is that generals and line they, they find the chamber, they go, no one's really blacking. It Sagan Jana show up and it's like, don't do this guy be another way he goes, well, if you got a better idea, let me know. But this is way we're going to stop brainiac and in seconds like, well, you can't do what you need. You need a l. Amazon do it, and then. Gino's out, looks up at said and Jana, and he says it's true. I didn't know who my father was. That was the truth, but I do now. And he cuts his hand. So journals cuts his hand in the bleeds on the logo that is the house of l. and Ziad simple house of Zahed, and it opens up the door. M in Saxony goes, it's gotta be Assad. He has to be Zad El blood, and he looks at gino's out and he says, you're my son. Crypto, Nian twists yo crypto knee into west. So and this new series general Zahed is the son of sag l. and light is odd. So that means he's Superman's Oncle. He's an l. and Zad so he can open that chamber by himself because he's both. He was bothered was. So that was surreal. Did not see that coming at all. So light. It was surprised because she didn't know who the father was until the happened. So and then Jane of is like, wow, okay. So. So what am strange going to say when he finds out that general Zaid is actually Superman's uncle and what's superman gonna say when he finds out in the future? So and then. Explains now why Giral and general were so close. They were brothers. We don't know Girardi knew that and we know Zaid didn't. Nobody knows now. So he opens the chamber and then it's empty. So what's going on? So. You find out that it's been moved. So sag and set goes to talk to the people who moved to the people who've always had it. And he's like, you know, we need to put it somewhere else and they're like, we don't want this responsibility the more. So we're going to move him and he's your responsibility. We, we wanna live our lives. We want we no longer want to be in charge of guarding this alien. This this doomsday person. So like, wow, okay. So yeah, it's getting deep getting deep y'all. So then. General, basically. Looks at his grandmother. He says, you wanna be primus again and cantor. And he says soda, why? He says, I'm invoking the right to challenge you for that position when no mercy, I jus challenge you and he moves his arm to the right in front of his chest is right arm. He makes it, you know, like he's cutting something and grandmother says, I accept your challenge. No mercy. So now is to watch her mother fight her son. So grandson and grandmother dueling to the death. So like I said, desire to very proud and noble family, and they're very low to can door to krypton. But. There's some discussion, listen there. There's just not healthy being. I'm pretty sure grandma's and grandsons should not be doing to the death over a covenant position. But you know they're beating each other up in line is just looking at, you know, w t f. Mike, what is this? You know, and. You know. She she might deserve to EMMY for performance in this episode because she really had that look like, what do I do? You know, is this really happening? My mother fighting my son. I'm thinking to myself. Okay. You may not like your grandson, but he is your grandson. Is it really that deep? So he, you know, he gets a few punches on his grandmother, and then she gets a few on him. And then eventually she gets him in a chokehold and she's about to kill him and lot of shooter error, and then generals like, what did you do? You just write me of my honor. You see how they think. I mean, he was willing to die by grandmother. He would have been okay with it. Of course it doesn't want to die, but he was upset and his mother say this and she said, you talked about earlier making difficult decisions, and that was when I had to make, and then you can be mad at his mom anymore because should've his life down to speak to his grandmother, her mother and she's gone. She disappeared. So she runs off into the into the the snowstorms. She's just out there because you know, she's upset with, don't touch on. Look at me. She's upset with with a daughter because dotted chose her son over her, but I'm like. You know what you think it was going to do? Why should she be okay with you? Killing her child. So. So lighter and and and you find out that, like I said before generals ads, I is drew Zahed so of the house of odd. So light, Andrew, Bego. They leave. They're still trying to figure out what doomsday is because they realize they gotta stop him sag l. y.. Confronting the the brainiac. Emissary, who's taking over the body of the guy from the house of row and they're fighting so said, how brings a bunch of troops with him to to fight him into SAS, Nate them and brainiac Representative. Just like their minds are weak, and he can convince all those soldiers to shoot each other and kill them kill each other. But that it doesn't work on sag. Segye that's gets the upper hand and he winds killing brainiac or so. We think brainiac explodes burns out, but then he preforms into his own into his brainiac face and body, and he's like, you know, crip town and candle your mind. So. They can't defeat them. So even when they defeat them, they don't. So it looks like they're going to have to open up brainiac and. Sago. Starting to realize that now because like I said before, the people that were guarding bring doomsday, they're like, we don't want to spend any more. We're going to move to another location similar, so you guys can deal with it, but we don't want any more about put because you save my life is says them, you can leave. If you try to come back, you know you kill you because see my life you can leave now. So brainiac has been reincarnated again this time with as regular brainiac with the human body and his ship is on its way and Janussan was lost in the snowstorm, but she gets picked up. We think it's either by her by her brother who failed to win the title of the is odd with. He's been living out on the outskirts of candor for years. So it seems like he's the one who's tending to a sisters wounds so bay, but he saw ground picked her up and took her. So we'll see in the new episode what happens. But I'm pretty sure that's her brother who found her and Sehgal's upset with lighter for siding with generals edema guards to doomsday and he doesn't trust her anymore because of that. But he still has to do with the fact that you knows that his son and he's getting closer to the neces- now and they even kissing this episode. So and then Dev em gets found because brainiac had taken over his body. To shut off his arm. They add to take Dev to the fortress of solitude where sex grandfather Val l. work on fixing and he does, of course his arm is still missing. So Deva still bound to light. But how all that going to work I say over is going to be at Nestle now Nessin and say, I have a child in the birth chamber that hasn't been born yet. So it's it's really cool that the shows fast any, but I love that twist that general's aid is actually an l. as well that he's derails half-brother the, he's superman uncle. So like I said, Love's gonna play out, don't know where I'm strange went to, but we know he saved sex life. So second be happy to see him whenever he does come back. But now everything just got real and complicated and now they're not going to have a choice because if. Don't do GMs day. Brainiacs taken destroy krypton before two hundred years early. So this show was great. I'm enjoying it. But that's the that's the most recent update looking forward to the last episode for the season. This show airs on network south by channels. Check it out. It's a prequel sequel kind of all in between. It's it's not just one thing, but it's definitely fascinating to watch. So that was Keith talking about the SCI fi show crypt on, and we are going to take our final break of the podcast. When we come back. As I said, we have a bonus episode also in the DC rural. So stay tuned. You're listening to the GMC television podcast, and we'll be right back. The average SUV has two blind spots ways between four and six thousand pounds and takes about six seconds to stop. Remember this the next time you on foot pay attention. People pedestrians don't have armor a message from the California office of traffic safety. Welcome back to the GMC television podcast. For our final segment of this crypt on themed episode. As I mentioned, we have a bonus segment to round things out still in the DC universe. Since we talked about crypt on which is a retelling of the superman story, I thought we would also re-explore or religion, I guess in this case, Keith segment on the TV shows super girls. So here is that segment. So for those you don't know, I'm pretty sure most of you probably ought to do suco. I kinda superhero from DC comics. She is the first cousin of superman. Her cousin's name is Kelly l. that's his Tony name. Her Tonia name is CARA sorrow, so their first cousins through Superman's father, Joel, and Chara's father, Zoro brothers. So of course. So the series has been onto CW for awhile, start off at CBS and then the ratings were good, but they weren't allegedly CBS good moves over the CW what you probably just should've been on there to start off with anyway. So yeah, but. The latest episode was called dark side of the moon, and there's a reason why I want to talk about this. So what I've noticed on supergirl as that they've been real cool about bringing back former stars from the different superman franchises like dean, Cain plays super girls adopted father. The came was from Lois and Clark dimensions superman on ABC, Erica Durance. The other day, you know, on this episode, dachshund move plays super girl's mother. Erica Durance was Lois lane on smallville, so and Helen Slater plays super girl's adopted mom on the TV series and Halas later original supergirl in the in the movie. So so it's pretty cool to see how they're bringing people back. And you know, having have a part in the show at one point of the other and Teri Hatcher played my nails mother, the Queen of Dax for Daksum anterior was Lois lane on Lois inches to remain within k. so it's all been kind of full circle with that. And I've enjoyed seeing these people come back and play these different roles, so that's, that's cool. Gonna problem with that. So and this an episode prior to this episode, basically what's going on Super Bowl right now, his that National City is, is that she protects. And you're in the day, she plays CARA. Danvers reporter for Katkov magazine. Kako magazine is now ram by Jimmy Olsen. Superman. Best friend used to be for taco for daily planet who's played by McConnell Brooks. So. What's happened is that there there's what's called the world killer and the world killer is Tony Allen person who. As want to bring Justice to the world, and she was opposed to be assisted by her sisters. Pestilence map picket. The other one's name was famine, something like that. I can't remember. So they were supposed to be three of them. Well, within a last episode prior to this one, the other two were defeated got killed and world. The world killer the world killer absorbed both their powers, so she's kind of unstoppable. Now. The person who plays. The world killer Kenny. Sell thought. I brought that up to me. When I give you the cast members names. So. For you. The person who does play her was also an employee of lex core and work closely with Lana. Luther, Lexa sister. Who at one point was super goes friend, but as a player base, she's just not feeling the love. She doesn't trust or anymore, which is also very interesting. Okay. So yes, Melissa Benoist place to prevail care. Danvers Cuyler Lee plays her doctor sister, Alexander's. Jeremy. Jordan plays wind shot. Who is he's a government agent who works with supergirl knows secret identity. His father was to maker so, but when shot wants to win, I'm wants nothing to do with that. David Harewood or Harwood plays John also known as the Martian manhunter Chris would plays my now super girls once love interest who's not by my again and Katie McGrath place, Lena Luther. So that's part of the initial cast. But I want to. Give you more. Looking for someone in particular. To tell you about because her. Sorry, one-second here. Oh, Carl numbly plays. Medium. John's the marshmallow is father, so he gets rediscovered, Jay, I'm tap dip. He found he's not. I brought him back to earth and that story line has been great. My only problem is she with that? Is that. All of a sudden he has the Marsh version of Alzheimer's. So now he's losing his mind and under Slyke. The whole Alzheimer's thing in Hollywood television is now, that's, that's a new thing that writers are exploring, and I understand that. I mean, there's lots of, I mean, it's it's, it's very interesting to talk about is just that don't know of house way to see that in my science fiction in and it's just it just would've been nice to see the how the Marsh man hundred his father just relate to each other. Now that as father on earth and how he's a dad thing and watching that it's been fun, but it's just. Now they, they've given him Alzheimer's. I don't know where that's going to go in that regard. So that's going to be interesting. Not quite sure what they do with that. Trying to find the world killers name when I just don't have it yet Pat probably why have later on in the podcast. But she has a daughter named ruby and right now she's being watched. I'm protected because the world killer she's been sharing a body but the human being. So it's like this spirit. It's been end this human beings really fascinating how they're doing the storyline and the first time the world killer fought supergirl. She almost killed her. So that was a big like blow. So we're not going. So we're not sure how all this is gonna play out because right now was happening with the story is that the world killer is. She starting to get resistant kryptonite because Lena Luther hazard locked in her. Government lamp because she's trying to cure this person who also her friend wish I knew the name of keeping Mahabir name right now. This is kind of about any. I watched your show like all the time seriously. But yeah, so. Christa the story is that super goes having a hard time trying to figure out how she can defeat this person or save her life without killing her because they feel like they give too much kryptonite than they'll kill her and they don't wanna kill her because the altar eagle's actually, you know, their friend. So they find out that there's this rock they can use to take down, but it's out in space the certain sector. So supergirl am I now take j. on marshmallow hundred spaceship business garage, ca ca-car, and they fly it out to the spot. So when it gets to the spot. They find out it's a, it's a planet, they land on and as they get down there and they look around, they eventually figure out that the planet is actually. The lost city of Argo city from krypton. Somehow Argo city was protected, and, and when you know. Scipio aka cares real and my now walk around, you know, 'cause there I don't realize these people, Tony eventually. Too much tension drawn to them and they get detained by these robots fly in the air elaborate these attorney robots that you see like in the fortunes of solitaire as well. So and then Erica Durance pops up, you know? And that's when she realized that her mom is still alive. She thought she was dead. They had this binding mama. They talk and. Superhero. Tom mom knows no, that the prison did. She created where mother was like a judge and she said, krypton prisoners to this like huge giant facility and the space space prison got sent to earth and kind of crash. So a lot of. Super criminals got released, including Super Bowls, aren't. So her mother's sister. So. You know, you see Ecuadorans his character. Basically apologizing the Super Bowl about what happened in saying that, you know. Your sister? You know, my my sister tried to warn me about what was happening, and I didn't listen to her and you know, I rested and I feel guilty about that. And so, and that's fine. But. I guess. So what I thought was interesting about this episode and just about the series itself, I've enjoyed watching the series. It's nice to see. I mean, now we're starting to get more female superheroes on television, and that's been long overdue, and I'm very happy excited about that. So when I look at supergirl though in Carrizo Al, so character is she's very strong. She's fair. She's intelligent and I like what she does, but I guess the things that kind of concern me is I feel like sometimes that her characters to naive regards to how the world is working and how people are. So I get that from the show sometimes and then. You see a lot of strong female role models and characters. And I think that great Jay on the marshmallow hundreds kind of like a certified to her and her sister, Alex. And I do enjoy him on the show and Jimmy Olsen as his character is really great on the show too. But the only thing that just kind of bothers me is that so she supergirl because she's superman first cousin, she's older cousin and they're tied together by bly because they're both in the house of l. so we see, we've seen super goes mother and the pants, and we've seen her aunt. But we don't see her father's real. And in this episode you find out there's a real game is life to save Argo city and protect them protected to preserve it. So communication can't come out or come in and they've been on this planet and they beliving peacefully and the rock that supergirl amount l. needs to take back to earth so they can defeat the world. Killer is used to protect Argo city. So Super Bowl, mom ranges a meeting with a high council, discuss it. So my issue is that, okay, I get all that. And you find out the one of the high council members. Actually, the mastermind to the world killers being unleashed on earth. Pacifico doesn't know that yet, but my issue is, like I said, is that. We never see anything about superheroes father, Zorro. It's almost as if his characters insignificant to the series and it just kind of. Just disappointing because you know. He's from the house of l. and love to know more about super close relationship with their father. They often talk about her mom, and now they're showing her mom, and now she knows her mom's alive and that's great. But the guy who's from the house of l. he's dead and we don't know anything about him. We don't know what kind of great scientists was. We don't know what kind of father he was. His character is basically like nameless and he's the whole reason why she is to progress in the sense that he, no, he's superman ankle. You know, he's drowsy brother and I just, yeah, that just that's the only thing about the show that just kind of disappoints me is that you know, we see and learn about the mother, but we don't learn about, you know, the father. He's just as important to who she is. That's the cool thing about when you watch for man, you've read superman folklore and his legend. Superman is a great because is Tony. Parents didn't have them for long, but Ma and PA, Kent. Jonathan Martha Kent did, and he's crowded and humanity. Because of those, you know that farmer and his wife. You know that that couple, you know they were all there was good and right with the American way of life. So you know, they gave, they gave him his pound Dacian. So superman rarely have for parents, you know, Joel and Laura and John Martha. So you only get parts and pieces of that was super girl and they, you know, and so you know. I like to think that that's going to change, but we'll see. So what happened? Like I said, super, go reunites with their mom. They have to have their bond and super go tells her mom that you know, meet running into on. It was kind of bad and nasty at first, but then she came around, but she died, but you know, they got close before she died. And you know, of course, you know, super goes, mom tells her, I'm very proud of him. Your hero and the Bisley. She's allowed to take a piece of the rock off from ARCO city to back to planet earth. And by the time she gets back the world killers about to break free of the force field in a lot of Luther lab that's holding her back. So you know, episode ends with her about to fight the world killer and now super knows that our mom's still alive so she can try to go back to Argo city and see how all that plays out. So, like I said, I'm glad that. That happened, but I would have been a better episode for me if both of her parents were alive, so we can see how she interacts with both of our parents at think that's really important thing. That's something that shows missing. Otherwise, I do like the show, but that's my biggest complaint. Is that. And, but otherwise, it's a good series to watch anyone joy. The criminals really cool that namic between Kara dampers and her sister, Alex is agent and when and by the way, Jimmy Olsen on the show once becoming a superhero called the guardian. And when it's like his partner who who says, brilliant mastermind, who built his suit and gives them his gadgets and helps them when they're out in the field. So all that's going on the mine Nells part of leading the superheroes storyline. We came back from the future. He was married and brainiacs descendant is part of the legion. And now my nose all grown up and he's all he's just this this great hero now and now he still married, but he's still in love a super girl so, but he came back to help her out. So we all know what's going to happen with their whole love interest triangle story. But it's a good show. The the moon was interesting episodes had another. We're gonna bring her back to Erica Durance back who was Lois lane playing super girls by logical mom. So that's really cool. And I want to say thank you for joining us for this DC crypt on supergirl themed episode of the GMC television podcast as mentioned, kief will be back next week. So we're looking forward to an all new episode with him. Thank you so much for joining us. Have a wonderful rest of your week and a great weekend, and we'll see you next week. 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2019 Year End Awards

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2019 Year End Awards

"If you don't know Sirius. XM THAN LISTEN UP Commercial Free Music Plus sports comedy talk and news. They have it all and right now you can get your first three months of Sirius. Xm outside the car for just US one dollar go to SIRIUSXM DOT com slash busted to see offer details and to subscribe offer available to new series. Xm streaming subscribers SIRIUSXM. No car required. This is the busted open podcast. You can listen to the full show Monday through Saturday from nine. Am To noon eastern on Sirius he's Xm Channel One fifty six welcome in busted open radio nation here on a Saturday. This is the podcast edition of flustered. Open radio holidays. Merry Christmas Mark Henry. How the hell you doing man? I'm doing great man. I'm looking forward to getting into this. The so immersed happened during this Christmas break. Well let's start with a little bit of a smackdown recap and the one and only Daniel Bryan be next in line for the fien. It is going to be the the fiend at Daniel Bryan Act Royal Rob. What do you feel about that? Mark Henry Noam in. I'm very excited about it being that I want to see if Daniel is is willing to do what it takes to be and we'll get more into that concerning the feed and Daniel Bryan also the one and only David Greco stops by on. This episode adjoin myself in Mark Henry. And you know what that means. We are going to get into our year and awards mark in what was a truly special special year for the business of professional wrestling. Yeah I think that this this year the awards that we're going to give out going to supersede any other the talented wrestlers that do here on radio or on. TV that's right. We got the best list right here. Busted Open Radio and and finally speaking of the best. It wouldn't be a Saturday show without talking about my guy oldest. Listen I'm I'm happy Otis but I'm also very sad. I'm hoping that his woman loves him as much as he loves her. And I'm very pissed. Adopt Doves Zigal for ruining such unbelievable looking desert game. We're coming for you dull Ziga recovering for you. That's right this is busted. Open Radio Radio here on a Saturday. This is the podcast addition. We'll see in twenty twenty friends right now if you enjoy here. Busted Open Radio. I'm Brian that's mark. Let's go. I liked the fact that we know early. And we've got about three or four weeks for the story to build. I think it can go a few different places but more importantly and we were kind of talking about this break There's no bigger. There's no bigger rock. There's no there's no larger cornerstone. There's no there's no one more committed in more. I guess so word I'm looking for Secure their place in their place more than Daniel Bryan no not at all Daniels earned the right to be the principal smack down The fiend is right there but I think that if you listen to the crowd when now when the scene is when when Bray Wyatt is speaking about the scene as the second person The crowd is responding in Daniels favor and when they said you let him in they started going. Yeah Yes yes like like any guy louder and Daniels getting reaction that a true superstar Gets and that is what we look for his fans here. And he's got the belief belief right like I mean right now. The Phoenix erecting machine right. He's a wrecking ball. I should say you look at the the match was seth rollins and taking the the six hundred curb stomps wherever the hell it was. Is You know what I'm talking about. You need that belief you need that belief that something bigger something something more important something more steadfast is going to is going to overcome the fear. At least that's what it's GonNa take and in terms of those things being part of a character I don't know if there's any one more steeped in kind of the the the ways of I dunno consistency right and and and being able to pull your bootstraps up and get the job done more than Daniel Bryan. He's every man. Well I mean then you brand and was was told on Friday by Bray Wyatt. Are you willing to do whatever it takes six and we all know what that means is. Is Daniel Bryan willing to sell his soul and become the hate that that the fien is you got the match and I said this early you gotta match crazy crazy. Is Dan you willing to do that. And I think that what's what's to be done and it's been teased. Since the beginning the hammer is come out since the beginning the first time to fiend was route to the screen and every since then the hammer has been brought out every time somebody gets ready to swing big hammer that big heavy people dragging it. I mean it looks like it's weighs a hundred pounds right. Is He gonNa Smash with it and that hatred is kind of like You know we're going to talk about star wars and we're GonNa talk about the mandatory and later on in the show but for spoiler alert for for those that That didn't watch star wars to embrace the hate to killed the Sieff is what brings you to the dark side right and Bray Wyatt is trying to tell Daniel do it. That's what the Wien wants. The theme won't you to become what he is and he'll have somebody to be cohorts with. Who have somebody to be a have a kinship brotherhood with? Daniel is the person that he's picked for that job but Daniel won't do wasn't essere because he's a family man. He's back to being Daniel Brand. He's he's not he's not the the new Danube Ryan. I want the the guy that wants to save the world. This is the Daniel Brand that we had is that the brand new beat me. That's who got right now right hall of Fame Future Hall of Famer Dan. Your a brand embraced wide. Wants to knock him down and make him would he is. Because that's that's misery loves company and and. I think that's where we're going. I think that Daniels GonNa have to in order for danger. beat him make a choice. He's going to make a choice and down your branding. The people that that that's loved by the fans or is he gonNA people go damn. Did you see what he did. I can't believe that he went there. That's edmark and mark. Can he beat the fiend without going to that. I think that's where the real don't think he can beat him along out crazy. Yeah ban well one thing I also like about this and you saw it last night in the triple threat. It is what I say. One thing. I like about this one thing. I really have always enjoyed about Daniel Bryan specifically civically from creative standpoint and from Vincent everybody who you know has the final say. The cohesion of the the Daniel Bryan character stays intact year after a year after year after year by the booking of Daniel Bryan is so well done from the changing looks right to the to the to the to the focus in the cohesion in terms of looking at his relationship with the MS we talked about this last week. Right Mark in the sense that they're never going to be friends like you're never going to see them tight. You're never going to see him be buddies. There's always gonna be that contentious relationship and if they are buddies it's GonNa be like lethal weapon. It's going to be like Murtaugh Riggs Right. It's going to be like that contentious back back and forth sorta competition trying to one up each other. We saw that last night and I liked that because again it sticks with the continuing narrative that we followed from from Daniel Bryan for really what is what is years mark you know. Dan and MS are slowly becoming one of the most historic rivalries rivalries in pro wrestling history. Yeah just with the WWe nine. That's fair go around the board since I was a kid and I remember watching Junkyard Dog and Ted. DB ICY go at it for like five years and That is you look at Rick Rick Flair when when he was with W W and him in steam and him industy shirt like five year avary Marie six-year rivalries and they never even. If they tag together it was always like. I'm going to get the PIN. You know the Sina Sina Norton. CNN Orange is just all in water ban and I think that that's what we're going to have for the you know the the full of these guys career until maybe the end maybe ten years from now when they both say you know what man my kids are growing up and they get like where I am. Yeah you know close to fifty and the kids are getting ready to go to high school. They're going to say look I'm done and maybe they shake hands. Maybe they have a tag match where they They win a championship together. And they they embrace but I don't WanNA think about ten years from now I wanNA think about right now in the moment and we're where does ms go now. Is Ms going to be there to keep your brand from going going all the way or as mere is going to be there because it's going to be involved as is going to be there to stop op him like Daniel don't do it. I don't know what is going to be whether MS is going to be rooting him on like do do it right or are we going to get the MS the past the the myths that we've seen in the last few days on the last few weeks talking about how dare you you shouldn't be him. He wants right. You're here you're better better better. Yeah Yeah Yeah yeah well. That's what's interesting I mean that's what's GonNa leave it open when I say that we got about a month until royal rumble. This can go a few different places and I think the psychology and and the build and the relationship between Ms and Brian is going to be a huge part of this eventual main event between Brian and In the fiend slash bray wide. I think you're spot on with that. In terms of which way are they going to go in and of course you say what's next for the MS. I think playing that voice whether it be positive or negative to Daniel Bryan is going to be a big part of that. Listen before we head off to break real quickly I want to get your thoughts. On the way that main event was booked last night it begins the show and then it was cancelled interference right and then they. They tried to reopen again. And then it gets it gets called off. My point is it had very start and stop feel to the main event which eventually the the main event did happen mark. But there was a lot in between I understand one side side of the fence that says that was created a little bit of a denial narrative right. But I'm kind of when you authoritatively say no. I'm actually kind of with you. I thought it left things open creatively to where it kept you guessing and you weren't sure exactly where it was going to go like was Roman reigns going to be added as a fourth wheel wasn't going to be a fatal four way like how exactly what is this going to work out so I actually liked away. That was booked and it sounds like you do too. I love the way it was. I like the way that it came out. I love the fact that that Ben Cohen was dumped off the the the Cherry. I love the fact that That the big dog was able to come by and give him a little taste. Of what what he's GonNa get in the future and it gives that angle between Roman reigns and Ban Corbin two or three weeks to develop too so I mean it's already there like we already know that you know. He hung him up he in handcuffs. He put dog food all over like that matches already pre set. Then we got becky and Oscar and then we got Daniel Brand and The fien like Mike. There's three legit matches already mate and there's other things that are brewing but the way that they put it together at the beginning of the show Oh with all of the focal points was masterful and for all the Times that we completely shit on. WW programming programming and them not doing the right things this is this is very very You know like highbrow like this is this this is. This is the best book in that they've done and it's a good way to start the new year off your hearing catch busted open. Live Monday Monday through Saturday from nine. AM to noon eastern on Sirius. XM Fight Nation Channel One fifty six or on demand with the Sirius. XM APP wins. Day Brings in two thousand twenty. It is the conclusion of what was a wild year. Think about what just happened in this year in professional wrestling. I mean you've got a e w yes at is is a huge story unquestionably but then he got the wwe go into Fox yet. The fiend got title change just all sorts of stuff happening in twenty nineteen nineteen. It was a great era and talk about that great year right now we are joined by the creator of this wonderful show. He is the host of busted open. Radio is the one and only Dave Greco Dave. What's up buddy? What's up Brian? Hey Mark how are ya why. Look this the fellowship of Friendship. So you can. You can sit here here and and and Join Ryan and I and now it won't just be men Ryan Right. Yeah you're involved Dave Yeah Don't don't feel bad. Don't feel bad dave of festival of friendship. I like it I was actually here at the fest. Fun Fact Festival Friendship Actually happened in Las Vegas one of my favorite moments in pro wrestling history. All right before we get into the year end awards you know we got to ask you. This was your first Christmas as a Swiss man. I'm very intrigued to find out how this went. How your holiday season was different? How your identity has been developing over this last couple of days? How you feel David Greco? It's it's it's happened in little spurts like a little out of time you know. You can't just like jump right in like I went out with A buddy of mine last night. I got a Burger Irga. I asked for Swiss cheese on the Burger. You know just little things like that. You know you can't just do it all at once got you go full in. So that's good that's good. Everything feels good to be Swiss on Christmas. Let's dive I saw. They were your beautiful bride. Posted that They had the great gravy as Gabby was A. And she's like nine for days just made a tear come to my she's loving loving this my wife's loveliness she loves this new identity for me. It's like she's just glad brand new brand new. It is kind of a role plant. She's got a Swiss husband now. How exotic Dave Amazing? It's so great. She thought she married one thing. And she got Ah You know what I can. I can dig it I get. Life is full of surprises Dave and no more clear than this year in two thousand. Nineteen for one. Dave Greg Art. Let's get into it as we talk about the year. It is the year end awards. It's a very exciting time. I know people love lists So let's do this guys. Let's start we got a few categories. We got wrestler Tessler. We got tag team we got match. We Got Promo and we got storyline. let's start. Let's start with. Let's start with the match match the year Dave. I want to get your thoughts. It was a year filled with incredible pro wrestling. It was filled with competition. We had new organizations come on TV like aws. The Bar was set high and the competition was set even higher. So there's a lot to choose from Dave Let's start with you. What was your of the year in two thousand nineteen? This is a tough one because like you said there. There's so many options there's so many companies there's so many great matches over the course of two thousand nineteen but my favorite match when you look at it. Top to bottom story. The story that was told in the ring for men was cody and Dustin and they w that match I thought was absolutely phenomenal. the story going in the story they told in the end there was like a movie and that by far was gone. Only my favorite right match of the year but would be near the top of my list of favorite match of the decade as well I. I absolutely loved that match between those two allowing the greed. Because that's the only match This year that I cried and you know when he said I don't need a partner I don't need a friend I need. My brother broke. I just broke down. I was like like damn this is beyond wrestling. This is arguably the best entertainment that I got this year and any johner whether it was movies movies music like it was unbelievable and I I have to agree with you Dave and you you go into the match and and We we failed sometimes the to get into it in the moment but I remember remember after that match was over all I could think about. was you know these guys. That didn't have the same mother but with all the blood blood that was shed in that match on both sides I was like these are indeed true blood brothers and like that that whole Saga Saga was unbelievable. But the match was the thing that made it my favorite guys. We were all in the building that night in Las Vegas when that match happen I and and that was one of those things and I know you can speak to this dave as well as you mark that. Sometimes a great match doesn't translate live like it does on television and I'll tell I'll give you two examples or not a match but the Promo that punk cut the pipe bomb here in Vegas. I was there for that. The crowd reception was nil. They had no idea what what was going on. Very few people really latched onto the moment in the historical nature of what was happening and another match brock listener Siham punk at Summer Slam which is up for match the decade consideration on a lot of lists. That was fun live but it didn't have the same reception as it did when we got outside of the rain and people are like. Oh that's a match of the year. It didn't play like that got live. My point is as you look back at Dustin cody guys that played live in the MGM. Grand that night in Las Vegas. That place was on fire. It was on fire. You also had a close second and two. I got the experience this with my good friend Dave league-record and to be able to see see doing Kingston and Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania. Yeah Like that was another those another match that had me motionlessly brought in. And you know it wouldn't. It wouldn't so much tears fail But it was like I felt like it was bigger than wrestling because of Kofi journey and This is this was this was I jacobs pick. My you know my son Jagger He. He loved wrestling like we love wrestling. And he was like that like Koffi Kofi was matched with Dame brand was my favorite. Imagine a year because of what it did for kids like me like I feel like I could be champion one day because the Kofi and I was like well maybe I should change my point of view but that was his point of view. Not Mine and and you know I could see where he's coming from with that because you know. I don't know if you saw the table for three that I did with De lo and Godfather but There was emotional things that That Kinda make you wanna be a wrestling fan and dealer. Had that Ron Simmons. I had it with Ernie Latte and junked your dog because I'm older guy them but Jacobs his guys whereas or me and Kofi Kingston so Like there there's Dustin and cody did that not just for Themselves in for the fans that e w but they did that for the fans of pro wrestling period. That's why give them the nod over Kofi and Dan you because it was. It was transcendent. It wasn't just it wasn't just for one race of people it went for just one style of Fan because you got multiple styles in the mats. Ask that Daniel Bryan and Kofi had but I just have to give the nine to Dustin cody because of the emotional tie that I helped up to the match and guys my pick for match of the year and I don't think either one you will disagree that it definitely could be mentioned if not I I listen it. It might even be in terms of in ring work a better match now the psychology and the actual bill. They might be a little bit different but when you look at Gargano and coal at takeover twenty five live and the way that that story really was guys. That was a year long story right. That had multiple matches in the in. The length of that story was a continuation. Can you wait. And then you think about the match itself As much as I enjoy dusted and cody and it wasn't all time great match. I feel like we're going to be looking back at Gargano and coal in five five years when they're on the main roster and they have their wrestlemainia moments as a real benchmark kind of feud in annex t so so my match Gargano and call it take over twenty five and I can understand you picking that like if I had to pick a feud of the year it might be that that might be at the top of my list so when you look at the three matches that we've talked about it you loved them for for different reasons Gargano Cole. Maybe the story going into that match like like Mark said with with with cody and with Dustin. It's the the emotional story that they told you in the ring. Knowing their past together you know knowing that their brothers I and and all the the trials and tribulations that they've gone through in their relationship. And then you look at Kofi Kingston win that title at Wrestlemania Thirty Five to New Jersey Rosie. What whether the store at the moment that was and maybe top five best matches in Wrestlemainia history? So when you look at the three matches that we've we've mentioned you loved them for probably three completely different reasons. Yeah absolutely I know that I love him for three different reasons but there's about five or six other matches that could easily be in the conversation so question but but that's that's that's the deal like we we pick three and and I think that all three of those matches could have been number one common denominator and talking. I'll look at it. Yeah No Adam Cole could have had the top three matches just himself when he looked back at that. TV main event. He had with Daniel Bryan on smackdown. I mean it you're right. There are about seven eight ten matches and that's just we just really covered I mean right there. Aws wwe that isn't even accounting for UH spray and some of the matches is it happened over at New Japan so a lot of great batches obviously in the professional wrestling world in twenty nineteen but those were our three best all right. Let's move over to the Promo of the a year guys Dave I gotta be honest. I I'm kind of feeling we haven't talked about this. So none of us know what our Pixar but there is a promo that stood out. I feel like a little little bit more than others. I'm wondering if we're all going to pick it at least that's my feeling thirsty. I I think we might but Dave who is your Promo and what I should say was your promo the year in two thousand nineteen. I'm interested because now you got to hear from you because now 'cause especially after what mark just said that. Yeah I got I got to hear from you. I got to go first on this one. All right. I guess it's the son of a plumber right. The son of a plumber plumber. It's cody Rhodes loads going from what. What did he say from from undesirable to ungodly damn deniable? That was a that was a promo to me. Guys that It was computers. What had happened? The Internet responded it went viral. It was real. It was authentic. But but I'll follow up and say this I feel like it's one of those promos that I feel like as time goes by. We're going to look back on and the importance of it is just going to grow because aws still in its infancy if he w gets to even remotely decent recent heights and placement. which I think they're going to just based off of what we've seen to start that Promo is going to live in lower in the history and the shine on that Promo is just just GonNa get larger so that that's Kinda when I talk about the Promo of the year? I think it has to be cody. We did our defining moments of the decade show. That premiered on Christmas Eve. And I believe it's going to be replayed on New Year's Eve as well And at the end that show I mentioned that for me. Cody Cody Rhodes. Maybe the wrestler of the decade just based on what he was able to do you know leaving the wwe betting on himself both with aws aws been able to do over the last year. And then you mentioned that Promo and it's not just the promo that he said in the middle of the ring it was also the sit down with Tony Shivani in the Limo. Like like he and and and you throw in the match you had with Dustin. Listen he's really been able to do something that his father was able to do. which is just like get you emotionally involved in his matches emotionally me involved in the words that he has to say you can even throw in the match at all in with Nick Allardice for the NWF championship? We don't know what the future is free. E W I think the future is very bright we shall say I think Ryan you would agree that the the wrestling community kind of like loves to either love love something or hate something they latch onto the negative. It seems especially on social media so We'll see what the next six months is going to be critical. I think for a w and the health and the future of this company but if we're talking about a ten years from now fifteen years from now twenty years from now now I think you're right. I think we see packages of this company. They're going to use a piece of that Promo That we saw and I do you believe that. That's probably one of the best promos we've seen in almost ever report wrestling one hundred scene and and also I had argument with bully about that. Promo and he was saying how he was. That the cody wants to get out of this shadow and I was like why. Yeah why why would you WANNA be out of the shadow of something that is sponsored. You but why. How would you want to be out of the shadow of something as great and as emotionally tying as dusty Rhodes and that that Promo? It didn't believe it didn't it. Didn't sound to me like he was trying to get out of shadow if that was the case they wouldn't mention him. Yeah yeah he will. He wouldn't ever say how he he eat. He respected and loved and and and and went in wanted wanted to wanted to do something for him that he didn't get accomplished does he. Didn't get the couple dusty ran Debussy Debussy W for a while. He helped run the marketing and promotions and of matches for the wwe but he didn't own his own company. Cody was able to take. Would his father taught him and gave him the knowledge of the business to be able to go and run when Oh and I tell Jacob this all the time. I don't care if you follow me in wrestling but I would rather you own a company then to be a a part of one and that's that's that's what I look at an from cody in in this whole deal is the resolute tessler. Great love it but he went out there and he that Promo he he he cut was to let the world know that he he accomplished something on his own. And it was okay. It was okay to do that. He wasn't getting away from me when it's putting shade on on anybody. Aw but him become a businessman him become an owner is big for wrestler. He's he was just a wrestler and now he's not just a wrestler. Yeah all right. Let's keep it going. Let's let's okay. We could call this the feud but I was calling it the story line of the year. I think either way it kind of it's kind of the same thing. We're talking about a continuing program. We're talking about something that had legs to it. And something that defined twenty nineteen so guys is was Dave. I'll start with you. Your storyline slash feud of the year. Who did it best in pro wrestling in two thousand nineteen? Wow this is this is. This is a great question because I like how you broke it down with storylines and with feud because I think you would agree that we've gotten away from. I'm really great foods over the last few years. With the exception of annex t and annexed t has been able to do that that with Gargano and Champa and like you said moving onto coal and and and and Gargano. I don't I don't think anybody does. Is it better right now when you look at just old school pro wrestling feud then annexed t- and for me leading up to that match at takeover. I'd I have to. I'd have to go with Gargano and call. Yeah no no arguments for me. What do you think mark? Well I mean for for my money. Yeah I think that the best story told Was the whole making of the fien. Okay uh-huh I was entertained by from the beginning. There was a great anticipation and it was you know like I got Eh. Fill in a Christmas from that from that. The debut of the team and I didn't get that anytime for for the whole year like the whole I was there with you. Guys for eighty WS views Match we Qodian in Dustin Right. I I was at Wrestlemainia and saw the match with Kofi and Brian but and I was Dan in in Toronto for some slam to see Gargano in Hit My head calm in Col- in the match that I voted was the best vantage that they're done you know so But the story that moved me the most was the introduction of the fame All right well you know what you know what I like about this guys This kind of proves that how subjective the art of professional wrestling is and how we can all see something and kind of take a different Approach or take something different away as we talk about the year that was twenty and nineteen. And we talk about our favorite storylines and feuds You know Dave obviously had Had his thoughts buller. Excuse me mark you. You had your thoughts about the fiend and mine in a in a Kinda surprising either you picked it but the fact that again we all have three different answers. I I really enjoy it. The rise of the man and the main event at Wrestlemania. The women main eventing Wrestlemainia. The I don't want to say the women's evolution because I think that has is kind of been beaten into the ground but the women main eventing wrestlemainia largely on the back of Ronda Rousey but then also largely on the back of all the hard work that those women put in and then you see the rise. The man that story line that took I mean. I know. We're having a little bit of a race right. It's a little bit of a recency bias. It feels like it was a year ago and damn it almost was but it did happen in two thousand nineteen eighteen. So so dave I mean I feel like we have three different answers but all three of those answers could equally be sitting atop the best feud slash story line of the year. Yeah yeah that's why it's a tough question because when when you when you say to me feud slash storyline. I'm an old school. That's Fan I always look at the feud and and listen. You could say Becky Becky Lynch and in Charlotte Becky Lynn Onda huge. You know And and I look at what happened. Happened Wrestlemainia thirty five not even feud or storyline but just changing the business and in the history that was behind that that that even supersedes. He's like you know an old school wrestling feud or storyline because now you're looking at women's wrestling in a completely different way and when you look at it like most likely. MVP's you may. You may look at that women's division in the WWE if you're looking at the best wrestling wwe. I think you have to look at the women's division right now in the WWE and how we look at women's wrestling in general especially with you look at what's going on with impact back with Joe Testa Blanchard. Sammy Callahan I mean we. We may see Blanchard the impact world heavyweight champion. Before it's all said and done in two two thousand and twenty wow yeah you know Kenny Omega and Kota Busey had some Had A story between them early in the year before that that was really really good wrestling The I was emotionally involved. I wanted to see what what was gonNA happen to them. Guys have an hour long matches and Near Alan matches every week it was like watching steamboating flare all over again and We forget about it because it was so long ago but man we we could sit here all day. Man Like and talk about what matches and what Sagas August and what. What best views and storylines two different things? Really but Man We could sit here all day with this like a and and Mark Ryan made a really good point to the fact that a lot of times you know because wrestling moves so fast and there's so much wrestling to consume something had happened in seven or eight months ago. Feel like it happened two or three years ago right. You know cause a great food for me. I'm not being biased. Because he's like you know also one of our co host. This is bully. Ray's feud with Gordon at ring of honor earlier in the year which I thought was tremendous and I thought you know. Put Flip Gordon on a different level with ring of honor. Yeah but you know it. It feels like it happened so long ago because it was at the beginning of the year because we consume so much pro wrestling on basis. All right guys so oh that is going to bring it to the big award. The one that I think we might have some different answers again. Because it's just so subjective and we're all big fans and we all look for things that are different and that's going to bring bring us to wrestler of the year Dave. I'm going to start with you. This was a benchmark year for the business. I mean we. We already set it up yet. A. W. get launched yet fox talks with the wwe you had Kofi winning the bell. At at Wrestlemainia there were just so many different moments and so many big names doing big things and and again eh some legends. Doing big things when you look at Jericho. There's just so much going on in the world of professional wrestling so I feel like this wrestler of the year honor It's gotta be. It's more difficult. I should say years to pick this award so I'm really interested to hear what we all have to say. Dave I'm going to start with you. Who is your wrestler of the year in two thousand nineteen nineteen? This is so tough. 'cause we're talking about cody and what he's done for the business. You mentioned Chris. Jericho is Awa world heavyweight champion. I mean you talk about just everything that's happened This year new Japan Ring of honor being at the Garden Wrestlemainia. Weekend and I I I it's for me. It's between two eyesores and it's hard to choose but I have to choose one. I'd have to choose Megi. Hugh Lynch I think when you look at what's happened in the stories and in the feud and the the main event at Wrestlemania thirty five for me. The wrestler of Two Thousand Nineteen is Becky Ledge. Now can't argue with that. But what do you think mark. Who's your wrestler of the year in Twenty nineteen? You know man I for a guy that they've hates and he didn't do a lot of shows he was. He was kind of like gotta more of an attraction for a while but I would have to say Brock Lesniak. Oh my goodness there was never a big wrestling feel like a brock leser match and you look at what he did with Daniel. Bryan you look at the stories that he did with Roman reigns things and you go into what he did. Most recently we ray mysterious show and The matches in Saudi Arabia Brock is worked. Worked He didn't work a full schedule. But this is the most that we ever saw brock Lesnie Russell and nine times out of ten. It was for the championship and he never disappointed. And even up until when we went to Toronto and we saw two matches that he had with Seth rollins and and we said how Braga lessner went from a guy was intimidating. That was just kind of out there to bully to what he did for. Seth rollins like he became the ultimate worker as well as a guy that was able to hold titles does give you big pay per view. Feel and if there's anybody out there that made you anticipate a match when they started the introductions and coming into the ring you give me somebody that had a bigger field and brock listener. Dave what do you think about that. Brock doc listeners the rest of the year in two thousand nineteen not mine short sweet the the great the Goddamn point we love it all right. I'M GONNA give you my you know what I mean. Come on now. I don't think anyone could argue minus Chris Jericho. I mean. I'm not saying it's not everyone's wrestler of the year right. I'm just saying if you make the wrestler of the year. You can't argue first of all. I don't no no if w exists without him signing online long-term then you think about that stretched from October to mid November with everything. Not even October. You can go back before they can go back to the summer. You back to just everything that he said whether it be La- champion or a little bit of the bubbly. Whatever the what was the other one I gotta gotTa take on? Yes there's just there's a million things you could pull from every time this dude open his mouth. It became something in the realm of professional wrestling. Get any juxtaposed that to the really good matches he had and as well as what he meant to the business in what he bent to eight. E W guys that's my wrestler of the even his failures successes assists. Yeah losing title and the cops find that and there's a great point the other couldn't he was my my second place And and they've said Becky becky would've been my third But I have to say brock listener it. But I'm telling you a close close second would have been Jericho I like it. I like it all right Dave so what you got to be back on Monday. What's the schedule next week? We're back doc on Monday and then New Year's eve New Year's Day like I said we're going to have that defining moments of the decade replay. We gotta best stuff coming up and then and then come Thursday you know back. Act Back on live Wi- wi- with bully and Friday with mark so look into the dive right back in again. I you know I missed it this last week you you know. It's been good with the family obviously with the holidays. But I'm really looking forward to being I busted open nation members and and that's family too so looking looking forward to dive and write back in on Monday. Can I ask you. This is my be a little too personal being that you've recently found your new Swiss heritage. Did you have any fondue during the I did not. I did not have fun do but that's that's like the number one Swiss the spoon like you know like I think he's in I gotTA. He's in Martha Kent like just dive very you know my whole things because ah DNA. So I got to kind of ease. Ease myself and I think what one last thing before you let me go guys thanks for calling me And Hadley only a part of today's show. I appreciate it But you know I hope that in two thousand and twenty. Everybody's a little bit more positive because I think two thousand the nineteen has been one of the best years for me as a fan of wrestling out grand. I wish everybody would enjoy it as much as I. I know the three of us do do like this. You know people hating on a w people hating on. WWe It's just you know people like into uncovered dirt on everyone. I I kind of wish that would stop and I hope like in two thousand and twenty more people really enjoy what. What's going on and really embrace like this community not? That's you know pro wrestling. I hope that happens over over the next year. While said they've Greco words of wisdom from our one and only Our our dear leader are dark. Yeah I was just say it's not. It's not North Korea but we we do love David Greco and a very real way like the people in North Korea. I'm sure of of Kim Jong Wu but we're authentic. We actually love our dear leader. He's the dear leader Supreme Leader of busted. Open radio the one and only Davey Greg. Day Buddy we appreciate it. Thanks for giving us well. I'm I'm looking at the clock. gave us a half an hour here on your Saturday. Go back to bed go get some brunch. Whatever you're GONNA do Buddy and Enjoy your New Year all right. That's exactly what I'm doing I'm talking to you. I'm dead so so I'm going to go back to sleep. All right buddy. Enjoy all right happy new year. Thanks guys love you guys Sirius. Xm Than Listen Commercial Free Music Plus sports comedy. Talk 'n news. They had it all a lot of people. Think you need a car to enjoy Sirius. 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In My Guy Otis Otis and Marc the the real kicker here is we found out last night. That now Otis's mom is involved in this. She is baking fruitcakes to give him to her son to then give to Mandy rose to help curry favor for her beloved son Mark. I understand this. I have a very loving mother. The very overprotective at different points growing up. She just wanted to see her baby. Boy Do good I especially when it comes to women. I don't know how I ended up married and I don't even know how to extend on that how I ended up with my wife for ten years to even keep her around but Sir I'm pretty sure market had something to do with my mom swinging around and on some level when we have fights or what I do something wrong. Mom comes in and saves the day to put everything into perspective and to play the play. The positive role right. I I I I think I think there was some swinging involved. But I don't love that Bob all do for yourself my There might be some. Solis Snag. Mom's food too much of a push you know mark. I only say that because I really really hope we get to meet. Otis's mom in the future. Like I need to know where Otis came from. There's so many storylines and backstories air. That I'm just I'm really excited. Mark Man please don't you I mean -ticipant in something that may I happen. I know why would you do that to me. Why would you do that now? SAR right but you know my thing is. I'm not. I'm not happy we're Mandy. The Real Bastard is doll ziglar. You're right I'm going to give him a call after the show is over and cuss him out but mandating look Chris. She should've should've been depressed. She should have been disappointed. She should've toes off. Why would you do that? You're talking about Tom. Came by when it smashed the fruitcake. Yeah Mike perfectly good fruit kate. Damn you know destroy man wait hold on now hold on you more past. He more pissed that that that he crushed actual food ruined the cake. Or are you just more pissed. It Mandy didn't respond to it like where. Where is your anger? Anger really residing mark okay. I'm I'm upset that mandate then I say I I shouldn't she didn't. She didn't thoughts that for somebody. That was like somebody she didn't react like I thought she should have right. But I'm dared on. FM pissed that he stomped on that. Kate I mean that Kate Look it looks delicious and look and I've never had fruitcake with like white is in on like a look like a butter cream almost like a like like a carrot cake. Now that you're not that you're paying close attention or anything. I was paying very close. Attention to that cake legitimately pissed that the cake was romantic. The storylines aside Mandy Otis Dolphins. Yeah why would you waste a good fruitcake. That's just one of those cars gets destroyed like resonant rips the doors off of it like breaks all the windows you like that was perfectly fine car. I would've taken connect- yeah like go man. 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Mason and Ireland HR 3: On Track

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland HR 3: On Track

"Here we go with fasttrack and let's see one side of the coin. We've got rams cowboys as the Sunday night. Football opener on January. I'm sorry September the fourteenth other side of the coin. Nfl goes a different direction called in the Air John. Well Lindsey looked. I'm going to go different direction. Tales Lindsey looked it up in the buccaneers dupleix the chiefs this year. So that's your opener but that would be your Thursday. I'm talking to my Sunday night opener. Then I think they go to. They get the ravens involved on Sunday night the Ravens. Oh because of Lamar Orientales a different direction. Different Direction fast. Check okay all right. And we should mention that Lindsey had to take her dog to the vet. So she's She's out of fast track. Okay Mace appearing last week on the Bud Light Seltzer drafter party okay. Mob Gronkowski said regarding the fact that Bengals quarterback Joe. Borough has been studying. The team's playbook for weeks. Gronk said quote I was in Tampa. I was in a Tampa. Bay buccaneers playbook four weeks ago. And I wasn't even on the team and quote while grunk having the playbook may not be a rules violation in and of itself how he got it could be until he was traded from New England at Tampa Gronkowski continued to be under contract with the Patriots. Assuming this story is true. Is it a big deal or little deal? Should the bucks be punished No I don't think the buck should be punished Gronkowski made it clear where he wants to play and I tend to come down on the side of players being able to make unilateral decisions and so I support Gronk on this. It's a little weird in that. Okay let's say you look the other way Now we had that that story about Trent Williams Offensive Lineman who basically forced his forty niners. Yeah if you have teams openly recruiting other players under contract it could lead to a lot of chaos. I would probably slapped Tampa Bay on the wrist if they can prove they were sending playbook to rock two months ago or even talking to Brady two months ago because it. It's a slippery slope. Yep if you allow players. But I wouldn't hit him with a real penalty. No like I'd find them right. Take away a seventh round draft. Pick or do something like wag my finger Adam and go no no no. You can't do that just so there's precedent but I would not make a big deal or a little. It's a little deal. It's a little rock was was retired he was doing stuff with the wwe he was. He was pretty skinny. Nobody at that time was talking about gronk comeback. By the way. I'm still shocked. He was so skinny. He is going to have to beef up like crazy for this season because the last time I saw him he was really really. He had his life build. He had his Michael Strahan build them and so he's going to have to bulk up again for for this football season. I'm sure he will fast track. Jay Z's company ROC nation has filed takedown notices and lawsuits against something called deep fake videos. That use a I to make it look like Jay. Z is wrapping billy. Joel's we didn't start the fire and doing hamlet's to be or not to be Soliloquy. Those two videos have since been removed though others remain including one. Jay Z. Taking on the book of Genesis Vocal Synthesis said they had no malicious purpose. And we're disappointed that Jay Z and ROC nation have decided to bully a small youtuber in this way doesn't change the and the artists. He produces sample other artists. Isn't that ironic or just annoying? Why would a billionaire care about these YouTube? Deep fake videos. Great question because you WANNA encourage people. I'm being creative and having fun but your name and likeness is your name and likeness. You get to control it. And if someone else's taking Steve Mason and putting him wrapping to Billy Joel. We didn't start the fire and it in some way you don't don't get monetize for it or get any payment from it and that thing is making money. I think you've got a leg to stand on. I actually see Jay Z's point I remember there was a famous court case. Where Katy Perry did that song? California girls with Snoop Dogg. Yep and almost as a throwaway at the end of that song they basically it's Katie. It's Katy Song. She comes out saying and snooped as a kind of a fun rap in the background and so they're working together on it and at the end as the song is actually fading out. Snoop says as almost a tribute wish they all could be California girls right which is of course a direct line of the beach. Boys sure the person that wrote that song for the Beach Boys Sued Katy Perry's label and won the suit because they said you stole his original line and you monetize it. Yup and I thought that was kind of petty of the beach. Boy Guide assume and everybody. All the artist in the artist community came out and supported the beach. Boys Guy and I'm not so sure in this particular case even though I think you make it's a really fascinating question. Bit is because you make a really if you've seen these deep fake videos they are frighteningly real so by the way John. I think you're a hundred percent right. They've got to be stopped. I mean you have to be able to own your name and your likeness and your voice because anybody can make a video of you saying any right in really offensive stuff right and I think you have the right to protect your own name and likeness like if somebody wanted to create their own Mason and Ireland show with our names like this but they were creating a different script and let's say you like to cuss and they put it out on the Internet and you are like on a on a really funny riff string of bombs. But it's not you yeah Punished for that correct. And you and also you should have a right to control your name and loudness and so as much as I want to like. Kevin Smet S- who's our listener. That used to do those hilarious animated videos that he would take number one. He had our blessing. We really like him but he would take videos like make cartoons of us but he would use actual show of course. He didn't monetize the he was looking at foot. And we were encouraging him. That's one thing but if Kevin were to go out and sell those and make a bunch of money I think. Espn try and stop. It makes them look like they were actually off saying these things that they synthesize Your Voice. They actually use your. I'm actually I know chase. He's a billionaire but actually support Jay Z. I completely support Jay Z. Said it's a dangerous technology and I think it's gotta be stopped and I think anybody that gets deep faked should probably sue because of their name and likeness or at least Serve them with a what are you. An Order of some kind would cease and desist in order to stop that futch fast track. Okay Mesa talk about how? I'm not a guy who collects anything. I'm not like a collector. Something highly unusual hit the market last week. One of the world's largest lunar meteorites went on sale at a private auction at Christie's the British Auction House the Moon Rock is valued at two point. Four nine million. It was found in the Sahara desert and was thought to be chiseled off at the surface of the moon by a collision with an asteroid or a comet and then showered down on earth. It's about the size of football. Let's say you're a rich guy who wants to buy the moon rock the less time man set foot on the moon you know nineteen seventy-two correct. Yeah you did all right. How can you be sure? You've got a real moon rock and not made up rock from a movie set. Aren't the chances of fraud pretty high here? I'm sure it comes with a certificate of authenticity. God you've got. That drives me crazy. People I say I got assigned cody. Br Kobe Bryant Jersey. How do you know it was really Kobe? They say I've got a certificate of authenticity. Don't you know they if they're gonNA fake the Jersey they're gonNA fake the certificate of authenticity completely? Not Why would never pay two point? Four nine million for a moon rock wouldn't if you did if you like. If money was no object. Be worried that it really wasn't from the moon. This is like one of those Michael Jackson buying dinosaur bones. Things I mean I. I have no interest in owning a gigantic rock. I don't even know what I would do with a gigantic rock. Frankly and even if I had that money there have to be better uses for it as for authenticity. There's other I would imagine. They could cross. Examine it right with with rocks that were actually collected from the moon by former astronauts and could find out the substance. I'm guessing there's some way to verify it but I just can't imagine spending two point four nine million dollars for a gigantic rock fudge. How much would you spend for the Moon Rock? What's your top price? Fifty thousand dollars. I'm like that's way too high. I wouldn't I don't think it's been more than five dollars. We get Lindsey back. Did she send a note that situation Alabama and has that happened yet? Oh here did you. How Sam Sam? Not sure yet. They were finger. Yeah I I don't know yet but we'll find out soon we will get fasttrack coming up next for you a funchess here. I'm not sure if Lindsay is a question or not. She's on she's on a hitter. Involved one way or the other but we will get her involved. Mason Ireland seven ten. Espn rolling out with fasttrack. And let's go to you check all right so the last dance episodes the past two weeks. We saw the beef between Isaiah Thomas and Nj even to this day and one of the reasons why it could be because of rumors that. Mj KEPT ISAIAH OFF Dream Team. Well from last night's Dream Team centric episode. It seems a lot of people other than MJ. Might have kicked off the team like magic bird or pigeon or whatever all so let's just say Isaiah an MD didn't have beef always good in the world and Isaiah does make the Dream Team in ninety two. Who Spot Does Isaiah take? Oh well I study should take Christian leaders but they had committed to put one college knowledge. Yeah but he would. John Stockton is the answer because magic was going to be the starting point guard and Jordan was going to be the two guard so the question was who is going to be the backup point guard magic and that would have been Isaiah. You know what I was fascinated by. I googled a after that episode. Punch as watching it and googled. Why didn't Isaiah? Thomas make the Dream Team and the second or third thing came up was a two thousand nine column on Espn Djamil Hill. And I didn't remember this but in she talks about Jack. Mcmullen wrote a book with bird and magic and Jackie asked bird and magic. That question and magic said to Jackie in this is all. It's all out there in the Internet. That magic felt that would he announced to the world that he had tested HIV positive. That Isaiah Thomas was spreading rumors about his sexuality and that magic in Isaiah weren't song because of it. I heard those rumors and junior high guys. I had totally either forgotten matt or but that Isaiah was spreading. That is that that was an issue between Isaiah Magic. Did you remember that Mace I? I have some vague idea that that was true. So may remember. It was very important to have magic part of that team because he had gone through his very public battle where he announced his diagnosis in ninety one and remember he was the star of the ninety. Two ALL STAR GAME DOWN IN ORLANDO. They let them go down. There and Isaiah was one of the people that advocated for him to be in that all star game ever remember. Carl Malone didn't want magic but when I read this article by Jim L. It seemed like magic had as big of a beef with. Isaiah being on the Dream Team as Jordan. Seems like bird wasn't happy with them. None of them wanted Isaiah Pippen. Yeah and so I just think that it was you know this narrative that Michael Jordan kept Isaiah off. The Dream Team is a very small part of that story. I think there is a lot more to it than that. Yeah I completely I completely agree and the answer to your question. I think is Stockton. Because he was the other point guard on the team. I personally would have bench Leitner. He was the twelfth man on a twelve later. I understand the sentiment of it. But in reality later wasn't gonNA give you significant minutes. He wasn't why wasn't that a bigger story. Why Take Leitner instead? A shocker Alonzo Mourning. That's a good point. I Know Leitner had all the awards college player of the year and he had that great in you know they born back to back national titles and everything else that everybody knew shack was the best college player and Alonzo. Mourning had a long career ahead of him. They took Leitner ahead of those two guys and it couldn't had been in front of Drexler or Mullen Drexler. Mullen were kind of playing the two guard. Joe Dumars position but you know that team won every game by thirty points I know where nipping now played on that team. They would've won every game by forty points. You take him the second team and they would have won every game. The coup coach stuff was fascinating. The cuco stuff was just fascinating. They just hated Jerry Krause. He loves to coach and so they just hammered. Kuku RIGHT AND JERRY. Krause apparently gave him a lot of reasons to hate. Yeah absolutely aright Lindsey Fast Chack guy so as we briefly mentioned earlier today is star Wars Day may force and it all started with the Pun. May the force be with you. Even though the holiday was not created or declared by Lucasfilm many star wars fans across the world of chosen to the holiday and has since been embraced by Lucasfilm and Disney as an annual celebration of Star Wars. So in celebration of Star Wars Day I wanted to ask each of you guys Which character if you cast yourself as any of the star wars characters who would you cast yourself as and who would you cast the rest of our group on the show as interesting on the funding would be to play vader? But no one would ever see your face. No that's possibility pantsuit. Probably enjoy playing that role too so I am Kylo Ren because he seems like a bad guy but turns into a good guy at the end plus I think he's the coolest character in seven eight nine the Bible and the scene four five six so I either have to be Hans Solo Luke skywalker because it was the only guys. I know you would be a good Hans Solo Mason. You'd be better Han Solo and like John would be more of like a iota guy because he's got all these like you know all lorries and all of this knowledge. That's totally true. You would be a good. Yoda John and I can't wait. Can I play? Who was the guy? Alex Guinness Played. You'll be one KANOBI. Oh yeah you would also be good. Ob One do you WanNa be man is it isn't insulting. Could BE LANDAU COW. Because you're the only black of course I'll take Landau of course but fudge you get to be Billy Dee Williams who came back in the last one to so great any came back in this last one. He came back in Mantle Laurean. Didn't he yes? Ability Williams came back in the mandal oriented. He really yeah he did one of the last episodes of Man delorean. Bam Archie too BB three B. Three. Who can play? Do we have any really enough to play Chewy Morrison's not it? Yeah he could probably do it. Sure he's he's saying enough to play Chewy cast. I think Lindsay would be John. You'd be obi-wan-kenobi the older wise person and let's make Lindsey Yoda which is meant in a completely complementary way. She is the whis file tape all day. Okay who? I'm trying to think who could play Laya. Let's see we don't really need a layoff. No you don't need a layer that's true we haven't actually cast Luke Kisha play Luke trying to kind of play. Luke French kind of our Luke right now yes holding it all together. He's he is in control of the force yet because there was no fun there would be no show. Who's the dark Lord that that is above vader? What's that guy's name? Whatever whoever the dark Lord is above eater. That's key that's key. Yeah or we could. Just make key. Vader key would be a good vader. He'd be a good vader. How about Travis as Chewbacca Travis? Bach is an excellent idea. What are we doing with? L Z. L. Zini Daryl L Z. Is he somebody in the Cantina Kim Job at the head? He's too in shape. No he's he's somebody in the canteen jar jar binks. He'd hate that no worst salt. That is a total insult that actually be removed from the film. I think Bergman would be a good C. Three. Po Yeah you know what because he doesn't have? He's like programmed as a corporate guy. Yup Panics a lot. Yep exactly the sort of a constant eight of panic could make could make Momo Leah. She thinks she knows everything showed. Where Momo's lay would be great all right well. Happy happy may the fourth everybody all right coming up next more fasttrack Mason Ireland seventeen. Espn and fasttrack rolls on. It is to me Josh. Black workers from big. Us businesses staged an unprecedented strike. Friday amid the corona virus. Report say essential staffers at Amazon card whole foods Walmart target and Fedex protested their employers supposedly profiting at the expense of their health report say the interceptor reports that employs left during their lunch break or called in sick to demonstrate their increasing frustration with the Cova nineteenth situation. They think they should be paid more based on the dangers of working through the Cova nineteen crisis and they feel like they're not being offered enough safety protections from their employers John. Do you support these workers a or is it irresponsible? In light of the essential nature of their jobs during this crisis again they struck from about lunchtime until the end of the night with the thing that jumped out to me about that whole description was that they feel like they don't have enough safety equipment. Nobody should have to work if they don't have enough safety equipment and if that's the heart of the protests and I support him one hundred percent. If you're still think there should be hazard pay. I have no problem with it but the the thing that jumped out at me is that I'd like to hear more and more specifics. About them not being given safety equipment knowing after work without a mask and gloves in any factory or in any delivery service. The that's just not right and I would have no issue with hazard pay especially anyone whose profits have gone up right. You in the fan grocery stores Amazon delivery services are probably making more money right and if they are they should spread share the wealth with their workers but the most disconcerting thing about all that was hey show up for work every day no mass. No gloves not right and it almost sounds like that would that they would have grounds for a lawsuit. You think you know so you don't want to see what happens. Nobody should be forced to go to work in an environment. Where they feel they're unsafe. That's all right fast track. Nobody knows when the rams new s-o-f-i stadium will actually open up for fans. Yeah but the OCULUS has arrived and is now assembled and running. Real is the world's only one hundred twenty foot to cited four K. Video Board. So if your seats are close to the field you can watch the inside of the OCULUS. Y'All and if you're a higher up you watch the outside. It has the largest. Led content playback system ever deployed every face or display can be uniquely program with live content stat or animated content. So let's say I put you in charge of what goes up on the OCULUS during a game. So keep in mind. You've got one hundred twenty feet of space de keep it simple interest show replays do you have live stats fantasy up there. Do US part of it to show Sunday ticket. How much content is too much content? You get to decide. I know it didn't prep here. Tippy on so off the top of your head. How would you use the OCULUS? Their first of all I've been told that during the Games will be at one o'clock and so the early game so be on if you get there early the entire Sunday ticket is going to be airing on the OCULUS. So you'll be able to watch every single game would think you will be able to carve out space for high profile games on the OCULUS even while the Games are going on. You don't want to distract the Games. But if there's a big one I would say yes. Go ahead include it. I think that replays fantasy stats. Those are an absolute given. I cannot wait to see this thing. I mean this is like this is something that is going to be a I and everybody is going to race to catch up but I think there's room enough to do all kinds of crazy stuff. It is if you've not seen it by the way that's the one I would. I would leave the house and go over there to see that thing with a mask. I would love to see what it looks like. And what they've got on right now tweeted on twitter. They're showing test runs of it. Oh yeah eight is spectacular. I mean you could do all of those things I asked you about. You have one part of it be replaced one part of it be fantasy stats one part of show. Sunday ticket and still have screen space. Leftover like think about it so if you add seven like a seven foot screen is huge. Yup that's like the size of POW Gosol all right. You could put seven feet of content and still have one hundred thirteen feet. Leftover that is insane. I just one issue. They may hazing. Yeah the one issue they may have. Is You know how when you watch like CNBC. Yup sometimes when the stock market's open and there's or like you watch one of the horse racing channels there are so there's so much information and so many different crawls on the screen that it can be counterproductive it can be. I'd like it can be distracting. I totally agree with you. By the way I think generally speaking we live in a world where there's too many graphics on the screen at one time. I mean you've got to crawl you've got a sidebar. You've got boxes with people say it's just tube. It's all too busy to me so yeah I think you want it to be a clean look and I guess you know realistically you want to focus on the game as much as possible. Although I'll tell you what I will get there early And hang out in order to watch the early games on Sunday ticket and avoid the traffic to me. That's a perfect day. Get there early. Hang out get some eats. Get some drinks. Watch the early games and get ready for the big game and then beat all the traffic in there. Yeah I just saw I just re tweeted Sama Gana in his. He's got a video of the OCULUS. That thing is just incredible incredible so there may be the one thing that the biggest bummer of not play games. No fans nobody gets to use the OCULUS. Yeah I wonder if he even turn it on because I mean maybe you turn it on for dry runs but if there will be no fans in the stands a does the oculus serve a purpose and we will plus all these bridges when we get to it but it looks incredibly cool and I think the possibilities of how you can use. It are endless. Yep so so. If you haven't got just Google stadium the OCULUS and you'll see a whole bunch of test runs. It looks pretty spectacular. I really does look cool all right John. I was so embarrassed fast. Check by our performance in the birthday game last week it was the worst performance. I think we've had. We had twelve right with twelve. We never have twelve. We always have more than twelve. Still twice as many as still swing exactly so I have lined up another birthday game. People ask me so. Why are the people on the birthday game? It's because they're celebrating birthdays within the next couple of weeks so all. These people are celebrating birthdays. Somewhere between April the fifteenth and May the tenth. So that's why they're on the list. So can I have sixty seconds on the clock? We intend to destroy twelve. You Ready Linda Accountant. Okay okay founder of Playboy Hugh Hefner head coach of the Patriots. Bill Belichick Third Baseman for the rockies. Nolan played the joker the one who won the Oscar but died heath ledger. Start on the SCRUBS Zach. Braff Washington Adams Third President Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson I left fielder for the dodgers almost got traded to the Angels Jack Petersen the most powerful woman in England pass football analysts. Everybody loves him except me. Tony Romo Goldie. Hawn's daughter is actress. He'd had some Big Star in the sparks can't Parker. Usc Legend played for the steelers. Long flowing hair. Triple them out. Not Kim Not Khloe according Kardashian Team Coco Conan. O'brien actor married to Meg Ryan for a long time. Dennis Quaid she stars in Homeland. Claire Danes Big Laker fans starting godfather three in soul singer. Let's stay together. L. Greene would have had it. I would say that last one does not county okay. How many sixteen. We're better by the way the most powerful woman in England I thought would be easy. Queen Elizabeth the Queen the Queen. You should have said subject of the crown subject of the crown. That would've gotten it. Well isn't that about is in the crown of Queen Elizabeth. Yeah it is. You're right. Oh I see saints subject of the crown. Yeah yeah or Claire. Foy played in the crown. Yeah yeah that's right that would work sixteens. Good Sixteen is totally credible credible. All right more fasttrack coming up next for you may soon. Ireland seven ten. Espn role and on with fasttrack Ireland. Stupid fast track. Okay did any of the three of you know that Saturday was supposed to be the one hundred and forty sixth running of the Kentucky. Derby had no clue courses. Did you know no not at all all sense of time? I only knew because there was a lot of people talking about some kind of virtual stimul- stimulation of it that they were going to do on the Internet but do a simulation I heard yeah. They've postponed it until September. So hopefully luck will be better in September. I think most people could maybe name five Kentucky Derby winners ever but. Let's put that to attest. Okay I have a multiple choice quiz now. Each question Lindsey you can play you can play. You can play always seem to know who can play yes. Each question has three choices. Only all three of the choices are the names of horses of actual horses but only one of the three has actually won the Kentucky Derby. Okay see if you can identify the Derby winner all right in one thousand nine hundred eighty five steph a stephens odyssey be spend a buck see. Chief's Crown Lindsey Stephens Odyssey spend a buck or chief's Crown. Chief's crown spend a buck. Mace I know this. Spend a buck. Spend a buck. His correct Mason in French are on the board all right in nineteen ninety two a little. Et be casual lies see dense for funds lily. T- casual lies or DANCEFLOOR. Casual is okay. Mace I know this one casual. Is Lindsey all right? Then I'm GonNa go with casual is Mason. Chill bag actually. It's own. Make sure very convincing three of you. I tend to be very convincing on all of these John. Okay all right last year in two thousand nine hundred Nineteen Mace. Yup tacitus be country house. C Code of Honor Tacitus Country House or code of honor. This is tricky because I think you chose horses that we're in this race. They all were in this race. I'm telling you I'll go code of honor for the win. Okay Lindsey Tacitus Country House or code of honor. I think it's code of honor. I try and try. Yeah Country House okay. Country House country houses a winner your dogged Lindsay on that Mason. No I just as I looked at them all written down. I realized no country but they they were big horses tacitus. I think might have gone off as the favourite okay fine to Mesa to Lindy scoreless so far in Lindsay you go first this time in two thousand and three a empire maker be peace rules or see funny cide Lindsey Empire Maker Peace. Rules are funny cide funny side right French empire maker Mace. I know this when peace rules. It's funny side. And Lindsey great guests to purchase to NC. Why no all I have a feeling Mason's going to know this one in two thousand seven find a street smart be Kurland. See hard spun street-smart curling or hard spun Funchess Street Smart Mason. GimMe street-smart for the win. Lindsey wait can you repeat the other two a street smart? Be Curling hard spun. I'm GONNA Guess Kirwin. You should've guessed street. Smart Mason both right all right in two thousand ten a icebox. Be Super Saver see Patty. Oh Proto Mace icebox. Super Saver or patio pro. Am I know this one? It's super saver. Okay Lindsey. I actually really do think it. Super Saver Fund Super Saver. You guys are all correct. It was super saver. Mason for bilateral didn't know it. I said I know this one right. This is the last one it just happens to be worth two and a half. Oh okay got it all right in twenty thirteen. A revolutionary be Golden Soul See ORB Mason Revolutionary Golden Soul or orb. Well you picked. You picked one that I know so. It's Golden Seoul okay fine. Church Revolutionary Golden Soul orb revolutionary revolutionary. Lindsey Revolutionary Golden Soul. Or Or. Or or we're GONNA go or whoever it was thought I knew that Hutu idiots left it for you know. I thought that I would no more of these because I recently put together a game of. Edm artists or racehorse because they both have really weird names and there was only like two of them that I recognize on that list. All of those ones I mentioned were the win place and show horses in the year. I mentioned them. Okay so you know. All the none of these horses were slouches. But but the winners came up. Now you did you see the Virtual Kentucky Derby that they ran I did not had all Kentucky Derby winners in it or at least the twelve trip triple crown winners over forty seven years and can secretary at ran one. Nc Bus seabiscuit ran to secretary went often a- as a seven to two favorite. Now I don't know if they just use times because it would be easy to figure out who had the best time right and but they did. They actually run a computerised race. They ran a computerized race. Yes in secretary at one in dramatic fashion. Looks like Ron One. By about a length over seabiscuit. What it's come to people that's what it's for ten races all right final one fast check. Nbc's parks and REC came back for a one reunion episode. The thirty minute special featured all the original characters the episode featured. Amy poehler character. Leslie Leslie nope determined to connect with her friends in a time of social distancing executive producer. Michael Sheriff said in a statement that he'd been looking for to help amid the current pandemic in realized the beloved characters could raise money for charity. He says quote. I sent a hopeful email to the cast. And they all got back to me within forty five minutes. The reunion episode was the first scripted. Show that addresses our current situation. Nbc said in a release so question. This is one of those shows that I hear people say great things about. Did you actually watch the show parks and REC known as ever Seen Joe? Never seen anybody. Lindsey are never seen it either episodes as a funny. It's a funny yeah it's a it's a big. Szabo cast so it makes it really what it is. I like Amy Poehler and I like Rob Lowe who was on it for a while. I think Joel McHale is on it. Was He on it? Didn't that run concurrent note. That's a different show. It's Joe can you be community will right? That was good. So here's the question if you could recreate this idea. The idea of the cast of a show practicing social distancing in a single episode for charity. What cast would raise the money wattage? Arenas what cast would you WANNA see? The most and I would have just gone west wing but they probably wouldn't raise the most money. What show would y eight? Isn't the OB the obvious answer? If you're just going for appeared dollar amount would be friends or Seinfeld right. I think it does come down to friends or Seinfeld. Which one do you think for me? I'm a Seinfeld guy so it would. It would be Seinfeld but friends had a huge following. And I'm a little older appealed to more people around no Iran right. Bill's more dated than side Seinfeld. I don't think feels dated friends. I think feels dated. I would vote Seinfeld. I can see George and Jerry and Elaine and Kramer in four boxes on a screen practicing social distancing to me. There's a chance especially with seinfeld genius. I think he could make that unbelievably funny and also avoid Schmaltzy. -Ness of the. Let's have a reunion sort of feeling a seinfeld episode. I think would be incredible. It would do huge numbers everybody would watch and it would raise just a Shlo- to money. Yeah I think that's funny you've heard that expression that's a great word combines two two words you think it combines. The the thing is the thing that that I love about Seinfeld and curb both creations of the mind of Larry David. Yup there has never ever been a very special episode. There is never been a heartfelt episode of Seinfeld. There's never been a heartfelt episode of curb something at the end where you go. Oh that's touching the. They're always going for the laugh and almost always make one of the cast members the butt of a joke. Yeah Rachel never fell in love with Ross on on Kerr know everytime lane headed date. You knew it was going bad. It was going to be a disaster. You didn't know how it would go in there with Jerry. Every time Jerry had a girlfriend it would end badly. But you just didn't know how right right so plus I know you could have people come in to the Seinfeld. People from the Seinfeld universe could come in like putty could make an appearance. Patrick Warburton Jerry. The dentists could make an appearance Bryan Cranston. You have multiple care that phase knew what they went for in the seinfeld finale right true. They brought everybody back a yes. I think Seinfeld's answer if you're going to be the winner. Yeah and I know Parkson. Right people all say You should go back and watch it. It's not in my streaming library right. Now I'm still in the middle of season two of the Sopranos which is great which is just gets better too as you build up to it all right coming up next ladies and gentlemen. It is time for Crosstalk Chinatown over the weekend. Did you really I did that. For some reason. It's on one of the movie. Channels is playing it almost on a loop. It's been on almost every day. Don't spoil by the way highly underrated performance in Chinatown. Yes John Huston John. Huston's awesome is the bad guy. I read a lot about that movie John Huston drunk every single second. He is screen. No way every single second he is absolutely hammered and specially comes through on the very last scene when he goes to get the baby or the little girl at the end. He is so frigging obviously loaded when he goes to get the baby. The other thing about him flat broke had to take that job. He broke when that job came along. Yeah I forgotten that. Burt young from the rocky movies is in Chinatown. Yeah yeah he's the guy who got cheated and I love the suits. They used to wear in that movie. So such Nicholson got some great suit. That movies got such style. Yeah all right so anyways A guy who's got some level of style is coming up next Slough Mason and Ireland ten. Espn ESPN Los Angeles Sports. Sas is here. Hey people hit it there you go. There were some fine vocals on the show today. You hear those Alan. I didn't hear them mason singing. He was excellent so I didn't hear Mason Mason. I didn't hear you singing but I'm very disappointed. You didn't tell me not to listen to. You did listen. I had no idea. I still don't think you would do well. I know this is wait a minute John. This is actually a fascinating little experiment. We can do here. We gave him the answers to the test. I believe you asked seventeen names. Yup I got sixteen of them. How many would allen get when we just hold them? The answers Lindsey when Thursday. I guess I'm telling you guys. I'm not beating John. What's the over under? I would say like eight is probably over. Just got to be ten. You think it's ten. It's either nine or ten gonNA call it nine and a half. I think it's ten and a half. He knows the answers. Ten and a half. We just like half an hour ago. It took me a month to remember. Billy Irish okay. You guys song. It's too high so that means we will set it to make it hard at eight and a half. How just a half-point above what I got double so I got sixteen. Eight and a half. I'm telling you right now with the over I'm taking the over three grand and mythical money on north of if we all go over that means we've got a recycling. Do be honest eight and a half what he thought. Okay I'm I'm going over on eight and a half I the show. I'm going away under. Yeah Okay there. It is to got split it all right. Can I go back and listen to it and just on the six zero five and now listen okay Mason? I are showing unusually high confidence in you. Alan. I don't think we've ever both pick you to do anything right. We are today this Crepe John so so yes this will be incredibly disappointing and we will make more fun of you than we already. If you somehow come up with less than nine you have to get to nine. Do you understand what the challenges here out. I understand I understand Lindsay and do we all agree to three grand and mythical money yep three okay all right so either. Didn't do this on purpose right. Mace no absolutely not. I just forgot to tell you so either Lindsay and fun are GonNa make six thousand dollars and split it or Mason and I are GonNa make six thousand dollars in. Split IT funds. You have sixty seconds on all right. You better get nine SLA. You're ready go. Here's a founder of Playboy Hugh Hefner head coach of the Patriots Bill Belichick Third Baseman for the Rockies. Pass played the joker. He won the Oscar but he died heath ledger. Start on the show. Scrubs tests Washington Adams next president. Thomas Jefferson leftfielder for the dodgers almost got traded to the angels Jock Peterson the most powerful woman in England Queen Elizabeth the football analyst. Everybody loves him except me. Tony Romo Goldie Hawn's daughter. She's an actress. Pass biggest star on the sparks candace. Parker. Usc played for. The steelers has long flowing. Al-amal not Kim Not Khloe but pass team Coco Conan. O'brien actor married to Meg Ryan for a long time. No IDEA. She starts on homeland. Keep Going Big Lakers fan starting godfather three Andy Garcia D- Garcia. But you got tensely. Wow I'm impressed. You did it man given the answers. He's not going to get sixty five percent of them. Okay so this is the only way home test is what this kid's an these are the lights as they are right now. So what did you Miss Third Baseman for the rockies? Yes Nolan our NADO. Start on the show. Scrubs Zach Braff idea biggest star in the sparks did you get can't as Martha Kent Spartan. Usc LEGEND NOT CAM NOT Khloe. But Not Kim Not Khloe. What's her name? I don't even know her name corporate coordinated that's right Corner Team Coco. You got the best. I think coordinates the best looking. One Courtney Lee Courtney's normal. The normal one. Yeah Team Coco. Got Actress Meg Ryan for a long time. That's Dennis Quaid Starve Homeland. That's Claire Danes. And you would have gotten Andy Garcia. Had you had a little bit more time so good. I think that's a fantastic performance. Thank you for the Winnings. We appreciate you. You're amazing performance on this open book test elicit the ones that I didn't get you could do all over again. I'm not going to get him. I do not. I do not know those. That's beautiful. You guys win here some weird breaking news. Yeah Okay Metta World Peace member. He was runner test. Yeah then he changed his name to Metta World Peace and now he is apparently changed his name again. He added his wife to his last name. His name is now metaphor. D- are test. So He's no longer Metta World Peace Metaphor D- so he's getting still no not Ron Ron. No it's Meta Ford our test. He was on. Danny Green's podcast. He said how the first game I had with world peace. I was like this is the dumbest thing ever. I was coming off the bench in two thousand eleven and they say meadow world peace and I remember not wanting to take my warm up off. It was embarrassing so I did think about changing my name back but then I got used to it. People got used to it but right now it's funny because they got married name is now Meta Ford. Our test actually took my wife's last name and added it to mind. Wow well good for him. I guess onto Michael's Greatest Pun. We've been trying What is it. Michael would say Ireland when you're doing the game. You should lobby Phil Jackson or Mike. D'antoni to put runner test in the game. And you can do it by saying just give peace a chance. There you go. We'd been trying to get met on the show right. I reached out to him a couple of times. He's Never Jewish. Call right answer his phone did. I Did. Cold column So Alan would you think of the show last night to Alaska dance. How how great is it been? Just Kinda see I know. It's it's also very very sad but it's amazing to kind of watch this behind the scenes of Kobe Jordan's relationship and John Amon meaning to ask you. Did you know they were that close? Did you ever have an idea that they were You know obviously. Kobe went to him as often as he did in. Jordan essentially became a big brother to him. Yeah I not only knew it allen but I watched the last dance and I see so many similarities between Jordan and Kobe even in the way they walk and their mannerisms and their fadeaways and everything else. I mean. It's eerie to me as somebody who watched most of Kobe's games in person how many of those Jordan highlights remind me I think it's like Koby as Jordan's echo right weird way. Yeah it's a good way of putting it but cocoa possibly. Kobe is the close. Nobody's ever going to be Michael Jordan. Kobe is the closest thing that ended up. We'll ever get a job even saying like the five NBA Championships in a sense. Crediting Jordan's advices. I don't get those five championships without Jordan's things like that. I would have never known and I agree with you that his mannerisms his style of basketball the way kind of Kobe a I guess you could say he he the way he wanted his game to be mimics Michael Jordan. I just didn't know they were that close. So that's that's probably been my favorite part of the documentary so far and I guess we found out during Kobe's funeral enjoyed and said that he lost a piece of him when Kobe passed away. That that's that's the most unique part so far from me. You know. I'm going to grab some Magic Johnson stuff from I take here just to tee up. The the one of the great villains of the LAST DANCE HAS Isaiah Thomas. It's it is talk about opening an old wound Magic Johnson was on. I take today and he talked about Isaiah Being hurt from not being on the Dream Team well let me start with Isaiah. I I know he's her now. I mean he's toby that Because when you know that you should be on a team the drinking and he knows that we went on this vessel be wasn't part of that and that's the greatest bat he ever simone do on that one of those players so but what. I don't want to happen. Is that those two men Isaiah Thomas Michael Jordan. He'll have problems the day with each other. Everybody almost sixty the I am sick. So we gotta who passed the bigger than life. Now there's more things then what happened twenty years ago but I mean it is visceral how much Michael Jordan Dislikes Isaiah Thomas. You still feel it definitely still do you thought and magic saying that eight. It's been too long now. You guys need to get over this. Neither of them got over it. I mean clearly Isaiah. We know that because I spent the last week talking about how if I wasn't on that. Dream Team was because of me. Walking off the not giving congratulations to the Bulls than hurt more now than it did back then Mace. You're right this is something that just become a bigger story than the documentary when Ireland pointed out earlier. It wasn't Michael Jordan alone. That kept him off the. It sounds like he was he. He was the least popular guy in the in the league. To guys like Magic and bird to fasten you about last night. Was that part where he was talking about. How so keep in mind? Nike is Michael Jordan. Basically built that brand. I mean he was the reason that bran took off so he gets to the Olympics and Reebok has paid millions for all the Olympia NHS to wear the Reebok warm-ups on the metal stamp and they tell Jordan he's gotTa wear the Reebok. Yeah and so he drapes an American flag genius around his shoulder to cover up the Reebok logo. Reebok GonNA say right. Take off the off the American flag. Yeah I thought that was a there wasn't a lot talked about but I thought that was pretty brilliant by Jordan. You can't you can't really tell them don't do that. David faulk aspect of. It was incredible the idea that they were going to market him. The way you would market an individual athlete the way you would market a tennis player and that's was very much the image that's really what elevated Jordan I think in the minds of a lot of people was that he was marketed as an individual brand as opposed to being part of team and it was David Fox idea that it would that it would go that way that he would be marketed. Lie THEY SHOWED ARTHUR. Ashe he'd be marketed in that way. As as sort of an individual star who was elevated above everything but by the way how important was that to like that having this documentary and not having a piece on this Nike portion. How it came about how Jordan actually wanted a Denison the beginning how Congress had the magic and the birds like I love how there was a portion talked about Nike because the Jordan brand I mean Mace. That's a culture of its own. I don't know if we have. Can you guys think of another athlete that made a brand or is more synonymous with a corporation like that athlete? Corporate Partnership. I don't know if you can I mean? Can you think of another athlete that that that just that goes with that and you know you said it really does not exist? He said Nike Jordan. Aided Tiger created Nike Gulf nineteen did not have a golf division for the most part until tiger went there and then they got everybody they got mcilroy they got brooks kept they got now nikes out of the golf business but tiger put him in it and I don't know. Do you guys know anyone else who wears under armor. No Steph Hughes. Except Steph. No I think there's a couple of football players but I don't literally Tom Brady. Tom Brady goes yeah. But how about MBA is steph like their big one. Nba Client couple but not as good stuff. He's the face year. So yeah if you're going to date Nike just bet on the right guy and then you saw like. How cool was that when nozzles on they're talking about Justin timberlake spike Lee's directing the commercials like that that was that's a completely different thing that also took. I love how Jordan says follows after two points. A game nikes. Not GonNa take off but it's because it was it was Jordan Kinda takes this company out of nowhere. It's that that's an interesting piece. All right so. Do you guys know this that when they decided to sign Jordan in one thousand nine hundred four and basically put the whole NBA. Branding behind one guy. They had five people that were on. Something called the flight team. The Nike Flight Team. They had five. Nba guys. Do you guys know the story. No no French. You know who wanted to five words right. Oh Yeah I know he is Michael Thompson. Wow Michael Thompson was let go by Nike. And or at least they stopped the Marco. Google Michael Thompson Nike flight team. You'll see these pictures of Michael. With these four other. Nba guys wearing head to toe Nike gear. That's remember Michael was with Portland. Trailblazers and Nike was an Oregon based company. So they wanted a blazer michaels on the flight team and they decide Sunnyvale. Caro remember Sonny Vaccaro. He's sure right. He decided what screw screw the flight team or disbanding it. Let's get Air Jordan and make the whole thing about him and Michael was out of an endorsement deal by the way you asked about under armor and other NBA players. They are marginal as more Andrew. Harrison Pat Coniston Ray Felton. Patty Mills Will Barton. That's it yeah I would say that those are all marginal. Puma went after some. You guys remember. They went after a couple of these young up and coming players. I'm trying to think off the top of my head but I WANNA say. Send me a picture of the flight. Team who flat fudge do who are those dudes? I like Bobby. Jones and Nate Thurmond and Jamaal Wilkes Jamaal Wilkes Barre. Right is Michael Thompson in. There is in in an astronaut to horns yash. Yeah that's the closest he ever came to becoming an astronaut. They always learned to be one all right more Crosstalk coming up next more. You may soon in Ireland along with Alan sleep with seventeen. Espn yeah that's a good question. Sleep thank you thank you. I should at least I could do. I mean I'm trying to paint a picture tie in the broadcast business. Paint a picture of where it's real. Tell them what's really happening. Let them behind the curtain us. That's what I've done their paint. You painted a picture all right so we're talking about last night's last dance Charles. Barkley was on this show today. Good gets Bergman that pulled off that little nine Bergman he. He hates guests. That would sodano telling giving Bergman a phone number there you go so Barkley was talking about and by the way one of the cool things about last night was watching those dreams. That Dream Team scrimmage that they showed and how chippy they were during that scrimmage and how Jordan ultimately took over in that game and Magic John Adam the entire time this is Barkley talking about those Dream Team Practices. Well it's the most intense thing I've ever been through the practice because it was so much ego and pride involved if you go back and look and they talked about it a little bit and the show last night. So Michael and Scotty not not microscopic. Mike and Clive hated each other skull. I thought he was as good as Michael so they were. So Damn and Carl Malone with the two best power floors at the time we were trying to prove it. Patrick Ewing in David Robinson who was trying to prove who was the best center and even remember magic. Got Shut down and the final Scottie. Pippen so magic was playing like it was game seven going at him everyday. So the practices were so intense in crazy It's the most intense thing best thing I've ever experienced in my life The Games were easy. Obviously but the practices every day was so intense incredible. Yeah and that was fun to watch. Yeah I was in San Diego and they worked out at the University of San Diego and I get to a couple of those. Those were insane. I mean the talent on the floor was just staggering. Guys like David Robinson couldn't get in the game cheese. Yes Chris Mullin's on the bench. It was it was just a staggering amount of talent. I love how to an Jordan mentioned this a couple of times yesterday where didn't feel like Jordan would just create these stories just to motivate himself just to get under his own skin when they compared Clyde Drexler Jordan together. He tells magic. Okay well I'm GonNa shut him down all game. That's I think game when he puts thirty five in the first half the Dan Marley part Dan. Molly supposed to be a good defender. He's like sounds go. After I feel like Jordan found ways and I'm sure the greats do this right. They find ways to motivate themselves. Even if there isn't a story line they tried to come up with something and I think that Dream Team portion like Barkley was mentioning it. Everybody had like a rival. They're even though it's the same team. There was that one scene from practice where they said it was incredibly intense and was John and each other and they walked on the bus at nobody was talking and then all of a sudden magic said well. I guess we shouldn't have pissed him off and everybody started laughing. And that's when you knew it was Jordan's team because they talk so much trash to Jordan in practice that he finally snapped and just took over the game and it was. It was great to see to John. You know that that documentary. What does the bird and magic documentary on? Hbo It's I'm drawing a blank. It might have just been called magic bird now as you think it was a thirty for thirty Laker Celtics. If I remember it could be. It could have been the HBO when they were both on. So the story that both magic and bird kind of new okay while we had our time like this is his time now. That Dream Team moment was that that that kind of time where they're like okay. Well we're passing on the torch with not even passing on the torch Jordan is grabbing the torch and they had mentioned it yesterday as well. What what do you got coming up? Yelling Rushmore are you doing tonight the freeways in La Remember? We talked about this. I thought we did this when already. It's on it's already doing. Repeat repeat right ten four or five one zero one. What's the fourth one Mace? We did this off the air the find out. They're not I think the fourth one. I think you've got to throw in one of those. You got to throw in one of those one one. The one that has a fast one ten. You can't have a mount rushmore freeways working at ESPN and not have the one ten on it. The one ten goes right by your office. 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Giving Back to the Community

Cork Talk

1:01:46 hr | 7 months ago

Giving Back to the Community

"I'm Matt we're the guys. Welcome to Cork Talk. This was another social distancing episode so virtually connected with Co Presidents many Hauser and chip Shelton and winemaker Ethan Brown of Shelton vineyards in Dobson North Carolina. Maybe in chip talked to us about the long history of Shelton vineyards since their beginnings in nineteen ninety. Nine Shelton has been a vital part of the North Carolina widening district. They were one of the driving forces behind creating yet can valley. Aba and we're major influences in the didn't culture and analogy program at Surry Community College. The wine mouths are also back in this episode. This time it tells more about the ever popular Rosa. Sit back or glass and listen all right. We're here today with Chip Shelton Mandy Hauser and Ethan Brown of Shelton Vineyards. Everyone welcome to talk and thank you very much for joining us today. Ravenous thank you so I guess let's go around and have everyone introduce themselves and tell a little bit more about who you are and what your connection is to. Shelton vineyards what you do there. So maybe let's start with Mandy and then go to chip and then this is Mandy. Hauser and I am CO president with my brother chip of Shelton Vineyards The Vineyard was founded by my dad and Go back in nineteen ninety nine and so We're kind of the next generation so to speak Yes this is chip Shelton and co-president of Shelton vineyards along with my sister and my father And appreciate you Amazon. Thank you I am Brown winemaker here at Shelton Vineyards Connection. Shelton goes goes way back. I think the first time I was ever in the tasting room here was was nine years old. That's long story APP. You guess probably don't hear all of that right now. So sheltered is just blurred. Nineteen thousand nine. Johnson has been around for a while. And it's kind of been at the forefront of the wine industry here in the state so chip maybe talk to us a little bit about why your dad and your uncle decided to start a vineyard and what that has meant to your family. I mean I'll take a stab at the head Mandy. You know both my father. Nocco were And My mother Were born in surry county so that area states always been you know very special to them with my dad and oncle kind of winding down their building career. They would real estate development construction around You know both Carolina's You know kind of when they stepped out of that business. I think dad in particular is looking for a hobby. He's not much of a golfer or had too many hobbies his hobby this work and we always love agriculture and farming growing up you know in tobacco farms in that area the state and since. Maine our kids you know we would always have wanted dinner whether it was California or wants from your parents always traveled Around the world visiting vineyards and my dad had a love of wine and You know he loved the farming agricultural aspect of it so I think you know. When he started slowing down with his business career he started wanting to get back more to his roots. And we bought this dairy farm really. I don't know man maybe. No maybe ten years prior we bought more of just for just to have some land in the county where they grew up and My Dad was interested in Possibly haven't little hobby of growing some grapes on the property. So we hired a consultant. Studies came back pretty positive in Next thing we know we got full blown business and Forty Thousand Foot facility and here. We are So kind of took it from you know just an idea of hey. I'd like to grow grapes to You know really create a fulltime industry around not only just the Yakima Valley but the whole state You know as you've seen vineyards just bossom everywhere so and and and to create a destination because you know once the vineyard got planted and we opened up the winery and started making one then we had a need for A restaurant or some facility to feed people so we created the harpist grill then. We found ourselves with the need for having a hotel. Then we have the Hampton Inn at Shelton vineyards and it just kind of blossomed from there certainly is a destination for sure and we always enjoy having lunch or dinner at harvest grill and anytime we've we've been in the area to stay overnight. The hidden hand is always a nice spot to to make an overnight. Stay so talk about what it was like though in the late nineties to be thinking about planting vineyards in that part of North Carolina. There really weren't that many vineyards at all there was west. Been maybe a few other small pink here and there but there really weren't that many out there then so having consultants in what would made that look to be a good spot. Vineyard that basically the consultants came back to us and said that we had excellent soil. We would have to do several different things that The California wineries do. We'd have to do them differently. we are challenged with the lovely humidity of the summer in North Carolina. And so they kind of told us that we need to plan. Our great done rose a little bit further. Apart so that there would be more movement for the Air We tried several different varieties When we first started I think the only one that we are not really able to grow to well North Carolina's the Pena Nawar We had that planted the very beginning but found that that was just very very difficult. Great to grow I think that there were lots of things that were interesting. At that time. We all had little children to at in the early nineties and said they were always loved to go to the farm and Kinda hang out. So did you have any idea when were going all throughout this is what you would be doing now at all. So what did you WanNa be when you grew up? I was an interior to figure that out that you were saying. I was an interior designer when I graduated from college and was working in that field and helped dad and led do most of the interior design for the properties that we have up there now And then it just kind morphed into me getting more involved in the business side and learning you know from the F. O. B. Market to marketing. I love to be Eat and cheap wine taster. I'm always good for tasting wine. It's it's just been it's been an interesting evolution of How the family Is this has grown. And it's been it's been an interesting twenty years and I'm looking forward to the next twenty years. A lot of our listeners may or may not be familiar with Shelton vineyards so talk to us a little bit about you know the experience of when they go to Shell. What is it like? What would they expect when they walk in the door where we really just want them to feel welcome? We want them to be at ease. We want them to you Be Open to try things that they might not have tried before. I think that's the fun part of a tasting experience That you you you may be somebody that's never try to. Cabernet franc versus tonight Grade and it's very. They're two totally different taste profiles We love to have people from all over. Come in and learn about what we do learn about our area there learn about what the North Carolina wine industry as a whole is doing. It's it truly has exploded over the last twenty years. I think when we got started we were one of twelve wineries in North Carolina. And now there's over eat them would have to help me out with that number but I wanna say there's close to two hundred and something I think to eleven to twelve. That's somewhere around that number. Yeah it's it's definitely exploded in the last Twenty years It's definitely growing and I think it's just it's a great place to just come relax and unwind a little bit. We all get kind of tad up in our own world in cities that we live in. We're truly in the far. You're truly on the farm when you come to Shelton vineyards we have lots of Walking past and we have a lake that you can walk around and actually have a lot of catfish in that lake that do catfish food for the kids to feed the fish In that lake. And that's that's quite an interesting so now they're they're pretty big. Yeah I never realized that I'll have to look for them the next time we come up. Let's talk about some of the early impacts that the family had within the wine industry so to that come to mind are the viticulture and analogy. Pergram at surry community college and then the other is the Yakin Valley. Aba and getting that started so Can we talk about both of those and the impact? How others sheltered family was was part of those and the impact that they've had on the state The process of getting the Aba region approved. And that's a federal government approval not a state government approval to be able to call a certain region an ABA. Like the ad can valley. And I believe the combat was the first Aba To be awarded in North Carolina. Even you'll have to help me out. I think we have Zik or seven. Aba's now North Carolina. I think it's six seventy six. Yes okay But they were they were very instrumental in getting together. All of the required information that you had to kind of tell about your terroir your soil conditions your climate conditions. What our region would play for the wine a certain way to be able to call it a region like the Napa Valley in this valley. SONOMA's area in California I think that was a big part of what they wanted to try to do. For North Carolina was to give the wine industry kind of a bump up to help compete with the California wineries because before we had the Yakima Valley. Aba You're only allowed put North Carolina on your label. And at that point in time there weren't a lot of North Carolina wineries and people are resistant to trying something new and so the biggest one of the biggest challenges we had was to be able to get people to taste the wine and try to wind and so then. They decided that they wanted to try to work with the VERSI store chains. And do some in-store tastings And that was. I think that was a big help for our industry to be able to be in the store. And you know let people sample the wine and try it because once you try it you kind of you know you'll like it let's talk a little bit about Surrey as well and getting that pergram started Your family was involved with with that. Initially Yeah my dad and my uncle decided that they they're they both have always been people that might to give back to the communities that have given so much to them. They've always been very charitable and trying to help help another A fellow winemaker fellow viticulturist. Or a knowledge Est. You know those kinds of things and so I think they really felt like there was nothing on east coast that really delved into the study and the practice of growing grapes and make wine and they really wanted to give back to that area to try to help the PEOP- fellow people of North Carolina. He wanted to start growing grapes. A forgive them a place that they can go and learn how to do that. And so they partnered up with the surry community college to start that program. And now there's the Shelton Badgett's Center for North Carolina Center for viticulture and analogy. That is a fantastic facility. Surrey provides a lot of good resources for the wine industry here in the state so it's quite impressive place. If you haven't been check out and I'll just add. Add to that too. I think from their out of their big business document from the real estate you know when they were in the real estate era they kind of brought that same business acumen to the one visits and tried to not only North Carolina but Surry county in particular and creating that Yakim Valley Should under raises awareness more from a business standpoint that you can now offer these vineyards and Truly make it a business and ultimately a destination point like a. You Know Down Road Map or somewhere that has the you know. All the notoriety. Go you know creating Appalachian creating the Atkin Valley is looking at it from you? Know like other businesses they ran. They wanted some you know think they wanted to see more structure around it where truly became a destination for You know putting our state on the map is a great Winegrowing region. So thank you know. That was one of their goals after deciding to go in this business was hey. How do we approach this from you? Know helping others The ease of opening other vineyards. You know trying to recruit other people to open vineyards to create that that US of. Hey we're here. We got a great industry and and You know welcome anybody that wants to you. Know come into the why. An Industry Open Vineyard Grow and sell grapes You have basically eight e in the wine business. Think they wanted to approach it more from a business standpoint That got you know more notice around the country that you know. We're we're kind of here to do business grow this region and ultimately you know compete for some of that once base. Yeah absolutely and I think you know having just really having that on the bottle definitely helps because it does set. Aside saying hey. This place is different grows or has perfect conditions for growing wine and it's consistent quality wine across that area so definitely a long lasting peace that they gave to the state itself. So let's let's talk a little bit about You know the the grapes that are actually grown at because we kind of touched on a little bit on pieces there What is it that Chilton gross all right? I'll I'll start off on varieties of so. We grow ten Different grape varieties. Total all the net FRA. Currently we have four Whiteson six. Read the whites that we grow. We have riesling. Chardonnay Sauvignon Blanc and deep man. Sang We also have Cabernet Sauvignon Cabernet Franc Merlot. To Not Mullebeck and cheaper does the big Bordeaux varieties and and also to not throw it in there to To have some variety As mania had mentioned earlier You know we're twenty years in here Shelton's and so there's been there certainly been hearing of trial and error over the years and You know as as he said we have seen in years ago. I think there was also a survey rob t Sarah Vienna Sanjay See So and we just switch varieties over. The years finally landed on these. That seemed to be working well for us. And discussing varietal. Selection for a winery is a very very long conversation but And it has to bit. You know the dip various business models for your particular winery But they seem to be working very well for a lot. A lot of big name varieties and that works. Well when you're thinking about the line Not only in your tasting room but also on the store shelves you people immediately recognize Riesling Sauvignon Blanc Chardonnay The petite man saying is rather new edition We should be getting our first vintage off of that. Twenty twenty one so that's coming along quite well. I'm looking forward to that So yeah so got a got quite the SPEC from the of different varieties choose from and I saw recently. You're planting more mullebeck yet that's We have a new block of Mullebeck. We were putting in some Replacement binds Yesterday filling in some of the some of the gaps so yeah we currently We currently have around three acres of Mullebeck over just beating those numbers up a little bit and adding another Another three and a half acres. So what's the best variety in your? Oh that's that's a loaded question Well as I think everyone that you you guys would agree to you. I mean are petite. Rudo I mean as the red go just looking at it from the culture standpoint De Brito does very well you know consistently produces a Quality red wine You know the chemistry's from field in the from the Jews it's it's excellent one of my favorite reds That's that's For sure Also you know. I've talked about this a lot. Too Not It's it's becoming popular in the area in. It's it's certainly one of my favorite varieties It maintains its acidity very well in the field. Actually Sometimes have to make the we have to watch it and hope the PH actually continues to go up so long to acidic. That's a great problem to have for for reds here in here in North Carolina And also I think for our reds that it has the most consistent quality from vintage to vintage which is huge for obviously the quality of wine that you're producing but also from a business perspective of knowing that you're going to have that quality and and it's reliable. Tonight's the darkest variety that One of the darkest varieties I've worked with worked with hybrids natives and things like that And so there's a it's it's one of my personal favorites For the for the white varieties the man saying I've made in the past Elsewhere in it's it's one of my favorites. I'm really looking forward to that. We don't have that on the shelves but yet But actually Soviet blogs been been a variety that it surprises me how versatile it is in the winery in the field. It is a very delicate. It is a very delicate variety. I mean you really have to harvest it at the opportune time and you have to be it out in the field But once you get into the winery you can make anything from you. Know a more mineral. Driven french-style Sauvignon Blanc To a more fruit forward Or basis leaning more toward that New Zealand style so depending on the stylistic techniques you take a wider you have a lot of versatility with that and that's actually been really exciting to me over the over the past couple years working with that so the sexually probably a really good spot to take a quick little break so we can hop into our wine education segment. But then we'll be right back and we will talk more about the wines that you make with those grapes. It's time again for wine class with the mine. Mouths Jesse and Jessica welcome back. What are we covering today? Are absolute favorite topic. Rose Ache so we're going to start talking a little bit about. Just how rose as made the differences from red and white wine and in general there's a million ways to make resume and there's a lot of different things but mostly rose made from red grapes. Obsoleted like white one. Yeah that's like the bullet. There is no such thing as pink grapes so as we talk about last time you know most most red grapes when they use the juices clear. So that makes sense yes. Yes so squished red grape immediately. You would get wine but rose as made by allowing the skins to sit on the grape juice for a period of time depends on how long you what style you're looking for what you're going for. But yeah not give it the distinctive color but that time can be short as like an hour and you'll get some color so when you're at the grocery store the wine store wherever else you see all these varying shades of Rosa. What's the difference between them? There's a lot of different factors. I the grapes themselves. I mean yes there. All right grapes. But some grapes may have more of a bluish tone to Some may have more of a bricky shades of red. So you know if you get just a little bit of that color may turn out to be a diversion pink that also they are made in different ways so you can have longer skin contact and get something that has more color. So there are three general ways to make maceration Sonia and blending so we'll dive into each of those a little bit so maceration most common to make so. The grapes are picked crushed. And then the against it's on the skins for a little bit of time Aspiration is just the active. The grapes sitting with the skins use the second. Sonya is a French term. This means to bleed off. So do you WanNa talk about that one a little bit or say this one is kind of when you're gonNA make red wine and you decide. Well let me just pull out a little bit of the juice early on and make Rosa and then I still have my red wine in the back and really concentrates the flavor of the red wine a little bit more exactly. You're kind of like trying to make two out of one interesting. No waste product more. Bang for your buck and then blending so this is just mixing finished red and white wine together to make a pink bland or blending different rules eight. Maybe even lending before you ferment. Blending is very wide term. A lot of your grocery store wine at lower price points are probably just going to be blended. That's typically read more Redmond with a lot of white so now when it comes to rose as would you like about them. Do you like the lighter spectrum or do you like the darker more full. Were your thoughts. Yes and so I tend to lean more towards the lighter but I also really enjoy sparkley them champagne or any of the sparkling kind of options and I liked the latter two. But it depends on what you're doing with the wine or what you're pairing with of you might want to be Rosa okay. I can see that almost treated like a red. If you stick mistaken Rosie too so if you're going to a dinner party but don't what's being served? What kind of wine do you bring or Thanksgiving? And that's because rooseveltism pretty much adventure. There's a few caveats in there but it's always a bit. Yeah for sure and I think it needs to get a bad rap. It's really such a popular wine right now but it doesn't have to be sweet. I think people will see their pink color and used to think more commonly that. Are this going to be fruity. Girly sweet brine. It can still be a toss up looking at the grocery store and you see all the be a toss up if you're going to get a sweeter dry so it's true the label carefully and when all else fails go for one from France This is a win. Isn't okay time to have. I think anytime of day breakfast lunch dinner after dinner. Yes anytime of year for sure I mean. They put Roseanne Cans. Now so it'd be aligned. Yeah whether you're going to be true mountains floating downriver or even to Beech Mountain. I'm going there next again. Excellent Rosa yeah good idea. We have a lot of great as North Carolina to you can make them from a lot of different grapes but there are some of the standards. Cab Franck Chanson even. Yeah Sure Chambers Chamber Does Not Take Long Automakers. So do you have a favorite Rosie grape over me? Grenache Aphid or high if he has it's probably why well guess any other? Rosaiah tips that you have for our listeners or for US straight Thursday at all like our conversations Corozzo is perfect at any time of day. So Jesse Jessica thank you very much for giving US Little Rosa Education. You can find out more information about the vine mounts by going to their website. Wine MOUTHS TOM COM or on facebook and instagram at wind mouths that's W. E. M. O. U. T. H. S. And now back to the show. So we're back with Mandy chip at even so even let's talk a little bit more about the one portfolio at Shelton and what folks can expect. There's really something for everyone in the WHO have. Yeah absolutely We have It fluctuates bit of. We have twenty-one wines now Total FOR PEOPLE TO CHOOSE FROM. We have that broken up into Multiple Tiers you know. We have our Our Two thousand nine line. Which is reserved line? And then we have our standard tasting which comprises our Riesling Cabernet Franc Cabernet Sauvignon and and others. And then we have A couple of family reserved labels in our highest here And we also have some fun winds we have a we have black. Very for instance we have a Mascot now that was just recently released So we try to have a little something for everyone You know do focus For me personally a big the big dry reds I mean those are those are some of my favorite ones to to experiment with entered into taste But you know from winemaking perspective. It's all about producing the wine for the consumer and Knowing what the end goal needs to be no matter what. My personal preferences may be for wine Just do when you're making wine throughout the process. You know what your end goal is and you pretty much. Do whatever you have to have to to get to that point So we have. We have quite a range. Barnes Mandy. Is there anything that you'd like to add now? I think you covered it. Pretty well. There We do try to keep a very good variety and to you know. Make something that can can appeal. We have different types of wines that will appeal to different tastes different. People's palates they want something sweet we have some fat we also have some of the semi sweet covered and then we produce a lot of the draw and more tanic Ones as well so I think we try to. We try to give a good variety as well and that I do want to mention I I believe were the only North Carolina that has a port that is labeled as court Because we're producing Our port wine before the legal restrictions came into effect. So we were grandfathered in we can actually have a A label port on our tasting list. It's it's one of our most popular wines for sure. Yeah it's always a favorite of ours. There are several favorites without that one is always a good one so speaking favorites Ethan. You've already stated dry. Reds is there. Are you going to go with tonight? You'RE GONNA go with. Pb is your favorite That's a good. That's a very good question Consistently I would say yet not conceiver to Mullebeck is my is would be my other one in that upper tier of my personal favorites Just because if I'm looking for something a little more fruit forward I enjoy working with Mullebeck Because we are very similar to Argentinian. Mix but shifted a little more into the red fruit range of. We're not wide as stone fruit as as Argentina gets But we're still very dark fruit blackberry plum things such is that So it's certainly for nothing. That's why a lot of consumers love Mullebeck is a variety of people. In general they bill fruit fruit characteristics and wine So that would be another one of one of my favorites As well as I mentioned before seven block also Are Dry Rosa. Actually I am drinking lots of our dry Rosa We bottled it. The just the other day on there are two thousand nineteen vintage and that's that's turned it into one of my favorites are two That the exact Glenn changes of a little The goal is still the same just to have a nice Bone-dry Rosa that's really I think reflects Franchise as like prevents something along those lines And so that's especially as the weather gets warmer. It's IT'S YEAH. That's that's definitely one of my favorites is GonNa ask what other favorites meeting. I I do have a couple of other favorites that Do like our been seventeen in our state Chardonnay and the other one that I think is interesting that I was Kinda surprised. That is one of the one that I do like. Is there drivers land that we've produced It's a little bit different you know. I'm more of a drought drinker. And I like I like that tastes profiled at Ethan has created and then a I'm I'm also big Red Fan so I do like his tonight and the petite per se. I'm a fan of all of them But I would say. My go-to are typically during probably more reds And I love the The mall and I love the Merlot to Ethan does a great job With all them but those are two of my favorites in an eye out. Also say that a That he makes his is fabulous especially in the warmer weather in the summer. It's really crisp and clean and it's really good to drink though are rosy I think is going to people who haven't tried it or going to really something nice when they do try and Hopefully enjoy a lot of it but it's a great one but typically I'm on the reds. Most of the time so I love them or low mall back and st typically stick in the red camp so I would say for us Been seventeen is always just a classic. It's a Goto. It's you know it's easy to find in the GROCERY STORE. If you can't make it up to get a bottle a it's just a really good Chardonnay and of course we all we always like the two nine pretty much anything in that line and like Mandy. The Dry Riesling is usually a favor when that when that appears in the two five nine label so but yet to not We've got some two knots from previous vintages hanging out in our cellar if you will trying to let some of those agency what they do so it's always always interesting when you open winds from many years ago and see see what's happening so we're hoping for good things. Yeah yeah I I think that our tonight and and as as you guys know that those are two of the really the only like real age worthy I mean past five years past seven years That's the most common question I get from from from people that come from customers that come through to from folks talked to. How long do I age of particular wine and and those are the ones yet none of none of the wines that I make you. Never you never make a wine so that it has to be age. I think you know when the wind is on the shelf. It's ready to be consumed because people people to buy the wine and open it with supper for that night But you know if you're looking for something that that's going to age possibly improve pus wet. I wouldn't even say necessarily improve. It'll change it'll just change the characteristics of that particular wine and to not up. Stevo or two of the most a touring excellent so. Let's talk a little bit about your background and how long you've actually been in the wine industry North Carolina. It's not an old man either. He's quite young so talk about how many years you've been making wining this November. I turned thirty. So that's like a milestone great. Thanks Ethan that we all feel So actually it's it's It's interesting how it kind of comes full circle. Not Family was actually driving and I grew up about fifteen minutes from where the vineyard is here and My family was driving here when the vines were being put in the ground around ninety nine. And that's really one of the factors that spurred us into planting vines are like. I said I have vague memories of coming into the tasting room here It would have been two thousand so I would have been nine years old and I didn't do a taste thing that day. Just yeah and then is an absolute planted We planted Acre in two thousand. And one my knuckle planet some graves. And that's that's how we got into We were one of the thirty eight members of the old north state so off one of the thirty eight nines back when that was a cooperative. And and after that we we have to whether we wanted to You know basically get out of the Biz business completely or have a tasting room Because that was a bit more viable than just a small a small vineyard and so sent due to my interest in the in the wine industry and winemaking we decided to go ahead and open Open a tasting room and That was my first commercial vintage. That was two thousand in two thousand ten So those nineteen at that time. During that time I started at Surry community and medical terminology program there during my high school years my grandfather and aunt were two of the they were the first. I mean they were very early on their Back had to have been around ninety nine or two thousand but I started there You taking some classes in two thousand and Ate My first college class was intro winemaking. soon went through the program there and really begin to understand. Interest was really in the fundamental science. Line the analogy And what all went into it because the more you understand the fundamentals the the better wine that that you can make obviously so Round that time when I was Finishing UP AT SURREY APPALACHIAN STATE WAS STARTING THEIR FERMENTATION PROGRAM. And so that just seemed like a natural progression. Actually what I ended up doing was I majored in chemistry with concentration in fermentation science. So I kinda got the best of both took all the fermentation classes at APP and then Majoring in chemistry as well so Wrapped up my degree up there Two thousand fourteen and Him Manage some vineyards here and there during the off years in night. Let's see I think my family's been here we stopped. We stopped the business It's been It's been about five five years ago or so now we that's no longer open I think they're ready to actually retire now without tasting room but but in any case After Appalachian State you know what the went to work at a another Jackson Valley winery and Made Wine Brut root beer there and And now I'm here I've been here at Shelton's for a little over two years now. So chip Mandy. What does it mean to Shelton to have someone like Ethan? Who has grown up basically in the local wine industry to beat? Now the winemaker at Shelton. I mean I think uh that means a lot. I mean to come through the viticulture program to be firm that you know from that area and to have somebody's talented as as Ethan. Even as he said at a young age is just. It's been incredible to be able to kind of recruit him over and get him So I think we're You know not only that he. He kind of comes from where we grew up. He's also been through that program kind from the beginning so he's kind of grown with it as we have said it's been pretty special. Have Him? We're very we're very lucky and I think that we've got somebody On our team that will be able to grow with too so I think that's we're very lucky. Having these very talented at what? He does absolutely absolutely always big fans of Ethan in the ones that you made back even when he was making them and his so we always loved going by there when they were up. So let's talk a little bit more about the involvement of the Shelton's and Ethan in at the state level in the wine industry so I was reading an article earlier. That talked about how Charlie were involved in trying to change some of the the archaic laws that were part of the state regulated. The wind industry one was around not being able to ship wine to from North Carolina where that was apparently a felony at one time according to one article. But I'm sure there are others and being part of trying to get the highway signs going so talk a little bit about their involvement early on with at the state level So we've talked a little bit about the Atkin Valley itself but let's talk about the state level and how they were involved to jump in. I mean I think that kind of goes back to when they got in to the One business and decided that it was gonna be more than a hobby I think they they took a thirty thousand foot approach to says. How can we make this better for the State? How can we help? other vineyards. How can we create a business for state other than you know kind of Although there was a lot of vineyards there was no kind of continuity. You need the whole business and I think you know by from the road signs to the Appalachians to the The work that day in a bunch of other vineyards chipped in to to do and really work hard on from the state level. Were able to get. Some things passed really Showcase he's vineyards and let people that live in the state. That didn't even know the revenuers down the street that hey I can go you know. Spend the day or the weekend at these places and I think that that they're they're Hopes for that was to Make it more like a business. Encounter more structured to to Allow more people to know what was out there You know forget aways weekend trips that kind of thing so I think that was really important to them to kind of started the state working down to the local and You know get a lot of things approved that helped the industry as a whole and you know hopefully have helped every vineyard. That's out there and open in the state. Remember seeing those growing up in North Carolina and just seeing gradually seeing more and more signs on the road pop up and of course at that point it was. You'd hear about it on the news and maybe a newspaper and seeing signs and actually Shelton is probably the first tasting room I ever visited in North Carolina Many years ago I grew up in Wilkes County so it wasn't that far when I lived there so my I'm fairly certain that was my first tasting experience at North Carolina. One scholten me years ago and Ethan. You're involved today with the wind and Great Council so talk to us a little bit. About what the Great Council does and your role on the council. Yeah Yeah it was You know as extremely happy To represent on the Great Line Council Charlie Help help GimME IN PLACE THERE. And it's been oh man personally has been a great learning experience but Really the purpose for the Great Glenn. Council is We're a Quasi-government entity within the Agriculture Department. And we get money from the state That we then redistribute out To help the entire industry There are Ten members on the Grayson Line Council Five from the Phanindra side of the industry and five from the musk's inside of the industry and You know we're the ones that facilitate The wiry brochures the Commercial North Carolina commercial line competition Through the through the state fair and many other events as well And so our goal is basically to promote the entire industry into to utilize our our resources that the best that we can And so we've got a lot of things going on of course North Carolina wine. Martha Kent can't forget about that It had it had been in September In the in the past years and the decision was made. We decided as a council with a lot of input from the industry to move that to May and also on that note we separated out great month so that great month is actually now in August and That will help promote a lot of the fresh. The fresh market growers out there the fresh fruit folks to give them to give them their time and and to really help Be Able to push the threat the fresh fruit Re really before the season comes in you know in September. It was wine great month and I think that the The fresh fruit people kind of cotton got a little left left out there because so much focus was put on wine to this kind of on their their own thing and I think may is GonNa work out much better for frenzy wine month Especially once once Civilization is up and running again but Even so Just because you know may we're going to give all of the wineries kind of a springboard into our busy season and You everyone's not bogged down with harvest. I mean that was one of the problems with September being being wind. Mont is mean. Everyone's super busy with harvest rates are coming in and that limits limits the activities and the events that that a lot of folks can do So this this freezes up. I think it's GonNa work work much better. Overall so we touched a little bit on the pandemic so can we talk a little bit about the impacts that the pandemic is heads? Of course tasting rooms are closed. Wineries can do pick up and ship wine and that sort of thing but how has that affected shelton and any other need industry that you'd like to speak about obviously mandates probably a lot more familiar with it but You know it has impacted all small business from our You know retail shop Not being open to a restaurant you know Kinda doing To go warders were like every other business in the country right now. That's you know has a stay in place order Our hotel staff has been cut back. Because you know she's way down so you know we're no We didn't escape any of that. Like any other companies. We're kinda right in there with everybody else. You know one thing I will say it and Ethan and Mandy can echo on this or disagree but I think our you know our online sales of really jumped Obviously because people are staying home and worshiping probably a lot more wine than than usual But you know I think the flip side of that too when things ease You know. Kinda the heartaches and the basically the world's been going through with all this When we do come out of this I feel like we can have one of the best. Summers Falls That we've ever had because I think people will close closer to home They won't be flying like they usually do. And I think people really gravitate towards things that are closer to home to enjoy and I think that'll help us in a lot of the vineyards around the state That people are going to be ready to get out. They're GONNA be ready enjoy being outside listen to music comments and wine but not you know taking the European trips or wherever they might go otherwise. I think It could be a big plus for you know the North Carolina Line businesses summer because You can't keep people inside forever and when it does break. I think you'll see people out in join things more on a local level than they they ever have. Yeah it's good to support local anytime but especially after we'd been through because it's more immediate to what happens to you So hopefully that will be the case for sure. Yeah but we're I'd say we're like any other industry we've been you know we've had tough times just like everybody else. I mean it's just one of the things you never ever would have dreamt could happen has happened and Like I said you know. North Carolina has a lot to offer and and we get a lot of people. You know what we always like to say from. We have a lot of customers or from Ohio. We're basically halfway between Ohio and the coast right and we. We have a ton of people doing overnight with US have dinner. Get a case of wine. They go to the beach with the family for a week. Then they drive back. They spend the night on the way home. They get a case to take home. And it's like You get to know folks like that and I think you're gonNA see more and more that On the road and not in the air staying closer to You know where they live but still get out and have you know enjoyable times with their family and and hopefully shelton vineyards. It'll be a piece of that and other vineyards in the region can help You know people have a good time this summer. We've kind of talked about you. Know some pieces here and there but what are some of the things that you think really sets? Shelton vineyards apart from others. I think that I guess if I was pausing to kind of think about what the answer to that should be but I do think that I would hope that it would be the experience that somebody can have when they come and visit us that That we're you know. Our doors are open. We want people to come in and have a great Trust and things. They haven't tried before. Try some things. They have tried before and Just kind of enjoy themselves We have you know lots of open spaces lots of walking trails. That kind thing was perfect. Yeah I think you're right on with that. I mean you mentioned the the catfish the lake there earlier too so I think you know not many other people have gigantic. Catfish that they can say is an attraction. Bring people in. We do have those so many Egypt. When was it that you actually started really becoming more formerly involved in the business itself so it started in you know they ninety nine was kind of the year but then when was it that Youtube started getting in or where we were there when we planted the first grapes My first daughter was there. My second daughter had not been born yet when that happened We've been involved with the business since day. One since it before it came out of the ground and then it kind of morphed into dad and uncle. Ed said you know you have a retail store in Charlotte? Would you come help us? Do the design for the retail so I worked with a group In Charlotte designer tasting room. And then it then it kind of lead into you go to Atlanta and go to the gift show by the. They called them. Knick knack accessories that we would sell In the store at along the one with the one and then it just it just kind of morphed into it from there I literally have been involved since the beginning helping with the marketing and You know trying to navigate the F. O. B. Market that we're in which is our grocery store chains and restaurants that we sell to to Just you know it's a it's a family business and family business. There's no definition that I can give it other than you are on twenty four seven and you know anytime somebody asks you to do something you just jump in and do it very true very true so so chip were you also in Starting from day one to yes. I was planted a row right next to Mandy when we had our first vines planted Each kid Kinda got their own road to start which was pretty cool and You know I would say Andy's been more hands on obviously way more than me. I there's another business. It's kind of based around the southeast. I'm on the road a lot I'm actually on the road as we speak. But you know I try to back Mandy up as much as I can. And Ethan My Dad mom you know on things. I'm I'd say I'm you know fairly active in it. I will be more active in the future But Yeah I've been there since the beginning And like Manny says I mean one minute. You're you know you're looking at plans for the hotel and the next minute. Your Dad's saying go pop some popcorn EH concert because we're running low out there so it's He it's everything on the you know you're you're looking at marketing deals one minute and you're rolling wine out on the court next. Whatever it takes and I think that's what's Nice about our group is that everybody you know at Shelton vineyards. His is all hands on deck. We're willing to do whatever it takes. And we you know and you know and having Ethan on board we basically we kind of handle everything and give Ethan what he needs to stay out of the way and he makes wine. So that's that's kind of that's kind of how it works and we have a we also have a great team of people that take care of our customers We we have a great team across the board We have a great tasting room staff. That's very welcoming. Wants people to learn about our winds. We have a great Wine Club family. We have over for it. Eight hundred members. Now maybe that am I correct on that one so we have. They're very loyal to us. They're very engaged with us. They loved giving US ideas. And you know I take it all the way to the guys in the field that workforce that have been with us since we started You know it's a family business and we all feel like everybody on the team as part of our family Well it's definitely awesome. I mean it sounds like you know from every aspect of it. Everyone's all you know working right alongside each other working right to get everything done What would you say has been you know some of the highlights? Some of the things that you've learned in the years of doing business my goodness. That's a loaded question. I I will say I was going to say you can make a stab at it right off the top of my head. I'd never had a clue how hard the business is until you get into it. A lot of people say the same thing it's like. Oh we're going to retire going to the wine business like you're really getting into a second career so that's not really retirement not A. It's not a it's not a retirement type business and it is. It's multifaceted from farming and having to deal with mother. Nature to marketing and label label designs and website designs to customer relations. To is just it's very multifaceted and then the whole hoskins hospitality and food and beverage with the restaurant. It's it's been It's been interesting. So what would you say has left the biggest impact on you? Then I would say for me is just Biggest impact for me is when when you look at Businesses like this that have so many components to the vineyard the retail customer experience. You also have the. You have the food and beverage side. You have the restaurant You have that experience and then you have the hotel and all the work you know all the things that go into that and in the experience that folks have when they're they're trying to mesh all that together with the group that really jails are. We have To me I. That's probably the biggest takeaway for me. Was You know when people drive in and see? Oh Hey here's a nice venue this is. This is cool. You know. There's so many people and work behind the scenes that go into that and having the right people Handling you know each aspect of that is huge. And I think you know as I've gotten more involved in the business that's the most important thing is Mandy said. Was that customer experience and either either have to have it right or you can't be in business long term so I think that's what we strive for. And that that's been the biggest impact on me is how much you depend on. Really good people which were lucky to have so. We're kind of wrapping up on the questions here. So one more question for all three of you then What is it you look forward to most in the future you can? Won't you jump on that one? I for me. I I feel like I'm making wine better every year. I mean that's every winemakers go search for me. You know my personal style of winemaking is is A very pragmatic approach You know very base very much based in the oenological sciences. I try to stay up to date with current biology and and and try to Really improve the product from year to year and I I can see that I'm doing that and I think that that that's that's the most exciting thing for me is. I always look at how to make wine Better and more efficiently to I think that's That's something that I wish I had known you know years ago and that I'm continuing to learn in that a lot of I think winemakers that are just starting out probably overlook. Is You know people talk about quality all the time and that's an obvious a goal. I mean we're always going to try to make the best one possible but we have to. We have to make the best one possible as efficiently as possible and You know work closely with all the other team members of the particular business to try to reach our goal. I mean this is a this is a business after all and you know we have to. We have to have that same goal. And and Get the line to the customer and And hopefully make some money while doing it so I feel like I'm I'm just learning more about the business con constantly and And producing better wine. I think that that's going to continue on into the future. I'm already I keep. I keep multiple notes on On my computer of things to look into for the next vintage and I have two pages single space of ideas that whenever I randomly come up with an idea I type it out and hopefully try to mark some of those off each antigen Page gets keeps keeps getting longer so that's always a good thing. I'd that's definitely a good thing because the one thing I'd like is when I look into the future as I get excited about where we're going to be twenty years from now. What are we going to be doing? Twenty years from now What winds will we be making? That will be different You know my biggest thing. I'm always about the as upset a couple of times. I'm about the customer experience. And so you know like like to see us do more weddings and more events that are you know where people are coming and bringing groups to the binion those kinds of things and I'd like you know there's there's interesting things Ethan. Not Talk about several times. What we what we can we do differently. And how can we do it better and that those are the things that I get excited about? How can we make what we're doing? Good now where do we take it to them to get it to the next level I would? I would say for me that you know one of the things. I'm excited about with teachers. Not only you know where the vineyard sits between Charlotte Greensboro Roanoke You know vineyard itself. Even though this in the foothills of the mountain sits in a huge you know development. Honeypot down the road and I think one of the cool things see and you know maybe not our lifetime but our kids or even their grandkids at when all those communities continue to grow which we expect North Carolina to that And we own you know close to a thousand acres around with the vineyard around just watching what develops around that and like Mandy said continuing to to build that customer experience and other things that we can add to it along the way and the development that takes place around the venue You know thirty years from now. Who knows what you see that You know the good thing is we're in the best state in the country from a development standpoint so I think that's going to be fun to sit back and watch Especially for know kids. That are you know like Ethan's age when he first came by the vineyard nine ten years old when they're when thirty it's GonNa be fun to see what that looks like it's awesome. I think those are all great things to be looking forward to. We share a lot of that because I think the more that the grows. That's the better for everyone who's involved in it and Ethan. Thank you very much for taking the time out today. We definitely appreciate you all sitting down with us in our new social distancing interview format that we've been doing a to go through and have this conversation and be featured on uncorked talk. We definitely appreciate the time. Thank you for having us. Thank you for having up. That's it for this episode of Quirky. Talk thanks again to mainly chip anything. We really enjoyed learning more about shelter. And how the whole team really is one big Shelton family. If you'd like this episode be sure to subscribe to the podcast and leave us a rating and review. It helps others find cork talk and lets us know how we can improve did you. Now we have a pastry on page. You'll get patron only content early access to each show and more. 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216. Ma is a Real Bad A**

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216. Ma is a Real Bad A**

"I this has been Esa Marshall, I play Hera on Star Wars rebels. And you're listening to the phantom podcast. Welcome to the fan of podcast episode two hundred and sixteen. This is the show that brings together geeks and nerds Macron's. The fan verse to discuss your favorite TV movies, comics and books this week. We're celebrating mothers from across the fan of verse. But I he's not a mother, he's NICKY English. I am not a mother. I am a man, a man with Braun, and I built the Eiffel tower with never mind. All right, and she's not a regular mom. She's a cool mom. She's taylor. Iverson if you're going to drink I'd rather you do it in the house. All right. And I'm, I'm yes, I'm a mama's boy. I'm Brandon Ushio. Actually, I'm looking at starting to podcast with my mom, I sat down into the planning session with her, and everything. All it mama of your own advice. I sure never do that. Plan podcasts. No, we don't do that. No. Follow your own vice. It's like, hey, you should plan this podcast out. Know it was. It was as much a pitch session, as it was a here's my plan here. Let's plan this out. And I think my mom was in as soon as I basically said, hey, look, all we'll have a guaranteed forty five minute, call every week at that point. And I think she was like, okay I don't care. We'll talk for forty five minutes, knowing my mom will go off topic. But that's okay. Well, you know, you're kind of used to that. I've heard you for four years. Now I've prepared you for this, this moment. I feel really what we should done with this episode. We should have invited all of our moms to be on. My we almost got my mom on last week. But then the stupid people like start singing in interrupted me to interview my mom at the phantom expo. And then you went off to work, and then we never got to do it. I was so disappointed. I think she was avoiding you after that. No anytime you're near a microphone. She was not know my mother, I actually went on very much. She said so herself sh we went on a date, we went on a date last night. We went to the movie that she never got to see we call each other's moms, and ask them to tell the most embarrassing story about each other. That's good. And I will edit mine out. Last night when I was talking to my mom, she told me stories about like that, like stuff. I never knew she's like Nick whenever we would say, hey, we need to leave you would go and change your clothes, and I was like, what are you talking about? She's like, yeah, you would be like, in your play clothes, and then we like we're going to the store, and you're like, well, I gotta change into my nicer clothes to go out. And I was like, well, I did grow up in a house of estrogen. They told me to look my best so he has on his bowtie in everything. So, but yes, she's like you always had to go change your clothes. If I'd be like Nick, we need to leave like five minutes ago. And I was like, all I found out yesterday that Taylor, her mom made nine baby albums for her. It's true. That's impressive. So taking tell she was the oldest child as a second oldest child. I might have one maybe but the oldest child. Yeah. Yeah. That nine though Taylor's mom must have loved her. A lot. I don't know what happened. The twins. They ruin everything. The newer upgraded models, two for one like that, right? It was the twins birthday yesterday. And they FaceTime meet today, because their birthday present that I made them finally got there and they were very excited because I got them to pug, a corn shirts. So. I was gonna say did you get him a pug a corn and you did? Yeah. I did. I got them. Punk accord insurance. They very that's a reference from our Wasatch con episode, if you know if you listen to every episode, I'm shading, our listeners is that that's probably bad. You know, they go back and listen to it to go back. And listen, so you can understand this reference. All right. Well, so in honor of mother's day, and we all have some pretty awesome moms, except for Taylor's been missed been replaced by twins. It sounds like. But we but we all have small, some mom. So these this week, we are doing a mother's day draft because mother's day, just recently passed and. These mothers from across the fan diverse the a lot to a lot to compete with with our moms and sounds like so. True fandom style, Nick, you know, that means you're going first. And then we'll have an and then we'll have. Oh, I think we do. I think the order that we've established is Nick Taylor, Brandon, so let's you're always last. Well, I gotta I got save it from whatever you did. You know, Taylor and I have to work together to get it done. So, right. It takes two of us to keep you on track Nick. Yeah, that's true. So I don't know if I want to steal the one that's like the obvious one. I. I want to know what I'm just going to do it. Do it the greatest mom and the history of all fandom in Knicks opinion. And also in my wife's opinion, is none other than Molly Weasley. Harry Potter I can respect she wasn't on my list, but she was on your list. No, because I avoided Harry Potter because I knew you were going to do all the Harry Potter moms. Well, get one. Oh, okay. Well, then I guess it's more Harry Potter moms, you want to okay? Why is she? Why should the best mother in all phantom? Okay. So here. So if you think about it, she is so motherly that she has enough of love for not only her one hundred and fifty kids. I think they're six but she also has love for everyone else's kids. She takes care of everyone who a takes care of Harry, she takes care of her money, every time that she comes in. She's the penny of. Somebody who genuinely cares about the well being of others and not only that, but she doesn't just walk the walk, she talks the talk. And does the deed when he says the scream and, and legitimately screams the scream, when she says knotty words and kills Bella tricks in the battle of Hogwarts as going to say we all know bitch. We all know that Iconex seen. Yeah. It's like one of the greatest scenes ever, where it's like. I don't think that it could have been any better like go away. Everyone remembers the moment when they first read that line. Right. I feel like that is I remember being like hall. And being so at the greatest thing about that was that when I've told the story of before about how win Lena, and I were dating the Harry Potter movies and books were being released and the last one was released. I'm not sure while we were dating or shortly after we had gotten married. And from the fourth one on, we read them to each other. So we would get the books and she would read a chapter. I'd read a chapter, usually she would read more than I would because I would just want to cuddle and she was fine reading. And, and so we continue that tradition. And we went to the midnight showing of the seventh book and it took us a while. I mean it always took us a lot longer to read. I mean if we read them individually we got done in a week, but it usually took us about a month or more to read through them, because they're big books, and we were reading them out loud, and we had to get together at the time to do it. But I was with Lena and we both just went. Oh, yeah. We were like, yes. Which was great. I mean, it was fun to show that moment together so yeah, yeah, we usually don't get in front of the moment. Mama bear the magical mama bear that she and she's a redhead. So. Lots of passion there. All right. Taylor. Who was your who who is who is your phantom? Mom, my first and most obvious pick. I'm I also will be upset if this isn't on either of your lists is Joyce buyers from stranger things. That is a good choice Stalin my list. But that's good choice. The solid pick. I feel like she is the hidden me of an awesome, mom. And would do anything for her child, and does do anything so. The film. That's awesome about her is that she, she is the only one that doesn't give up on him. Right. Like everyone else is just like wills gone. And she's like, Nope. He's not. And that's. Like she's artistic and creative with her lights and alphabet and you know, just really great alphabet. Well, you know, like she believes and I mean, a lot of people just like your nuts which. Well, that's, that's what they did. I mean, that's what she what she looked like. Yeah. So that was a good show. You should watch a lie fourth coming back. You have you caught up. Didn't you not watch the second season or something Brandon? It took me a while to watch it. But I watched it. Oh, you got through it. Yeah. Yeah. Mean you watch that one at three times speed on net flicks. I don't think it'd be three times speed. I think I'd be like one and a half. Can you do one and a half speed on Netflix? I, I've got a special plug it on my computer, whatever speed up because you wanted to share. Yeah. I mean, it's a computer it does what I tell it to do. Interest, because, you know how to make it do what you wanna do. Not everyone has that luxury. All right. All right. So back mom's back to mom's came I my this is now you guys you guys had some pretty good picks. But this one is nice. But it's not gonna Clint claim that it's not an obvious pick. It's not the obvious pick but it is the best pick Muneeb Khan. I have no is who that is. This is Kamala. Khan's mother for miss marvel. And, you know, as MS marvel is the teenage girl coming of age story, teenager, trying to figure out how to live with superpowers essentially, which is which I'm a sucker for every teenager coming out with a girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's, that's pretty much what it is. But she is living in her family are Pakistani immigrants to the US, and they live in New Jersey. And she is balancing the. Pakistani. And we've got the Muslim, and we've got the Muslim culture, but I'm also American and I'm trying to be an American and, and it's so that kind of speaks to me as well little bit. But what my favorite see my favorite couple panels spans two issues. But it's just a couple of pages, because it's at the very end of one of the very beginning of the other one is has to do with her, and his miss moral. And these this is all comics. These are my favorite panels from all comics. That's and I've read a lot of comics, so MS marvel eighteen the this is Marvel's marvel does a lot of world ending events. But this is one where they really ended. A lot of worlds in the world was literally collapsing in on itself. And, you know, marvel the street level superhero think Spiderman, and there's something crazy going on. And her brother gets infected with something that kind of gives them powers and his parents are freaking out, and they're like, oh, no, he did this. And this. This and then they turn to her and say, where were you how come you weren't with him you were supposed to be with them? And if you were with him, it wouldn't have he wouldn't have gotten into trouble. And, you know, so at that point, you know, her mom, I panel her mom's arms crossed, and she's looking at her. I'm waiting like tell me where you were and Kamal Khan says. I mean, there's something, I there's a reason I couldn't get to Amir in time to stop what happened to him. I, I was fighting with some looters trying to rescue some kittens, which is pretty much what I do every night now I have something to tell you, I'm telling you now because I might not ever have a chance to tell you again. I remember their whole world is falling apart literally, and I don't I don't want to die without telling Miami. I don't want the last thing, the angels, right in my book to be ally. I am miss marvel and her mom looks at her and says, oh, beta. I know. And that's the end of issue eighteen and then issue nineteen, which is the very last one before the whole world collapses. As she the thought bubbles are like, wait. I misunderstood my mom, and she says, you know, I miss marvel and her mom says, I know I've known for several months now, Kamala, I started to spec started to suspect something was different than not you asked for your swimsuit at ten pm. I know you I noticed when something has changed I started to pay closer attention. And I noticed that everytime, miss marvel was in the news you were sneaking back into the house at dawn prayer and. Kamala says, you knew I was sneaking out, but I was so quiet. And, and her mom, and I have ninja ears, no need to inform here. Don't know need to inform your entire school of your bad behavior, because they're in schools like emergency shelter. And so marvels like wait. What you, you knew. And so she does does Abu. No at. No, that's your dad. No, he doesn't know but he will if you keep causing such a fuss, so she goes on to ask if she's mad and it's. This is kind of weird and. It means a lot to her, and her mom says, I'm not mad, and that really confuses Kamal Khan, and she says you're at a difficult age your father, and I were worried you'd get involved with drugs or with friends who were bad for you. If the worst thing you do is sneak out, help suffering people than I thank God for having raised such a righteous child. And so, I mean here in, and then she says, I'm proud of you, and so, like that whole world's falling apart. And she doesn't want to lie to her mom, and her mom, basically, I've known this all along. I'm your mom. I know these things and you know, she very stereotypical conservative Muslim family and. She's concerned they're going to say no. And his mom says, I know I know who you are. I know you're important, you're doing good things. Of course. I'm proud of you in. So I mean it just I remember reading through that. And just being like, oh my gosh. This is so good. And of course, a mom would know because teenagers always think that they can sneak out of the house and not get caught. And when she her, her costume is literally, a is literally a Muslim swimsuit, because she wanted something modest. And it's pretty funny looking to it's cool like her costume. It's pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't know that it was her swimsuit. Because I mean like a really bad co host. I've never read miss marble. Jeez. Jeez. Yeah. How many times have you watched? I'm right. Jack did. Yeah. But we're not talking about samurai, Jack we're talking. Anyway. That's my, those are my, that's my favorite passage in all of all of comics that I've read because it's got something is character driven from the hero side. But also it shows that parents can be heroic or normal. People can be heroic even without having heroes. And I just I just something about that. Touched me. It was like, oh, yeah, of course, of course moms would know. So anyway, that's that's mine. And I know that unless you've read that unless you've read those nineteen issues of the first run of MS marvel. You're not going to you probably not going to have the same emotional connection as me. But she, she makes number one on my list for that reason. Well, I, I have to door -able. Thank you. Tailor your them. All right. Nick backup to you. Well, now you made me think of a few more, but going to stick to my list here. Okay. So. My second pick in the mother's day. Fandom draft is. Elastic girl. That's the girl. Oh, I'm sorry. I'll pick something elastic. I know. A lot of it is also because. Cobra loves incredible. And so it's become even a bigger part of our lives in the last like. Year. I'd say. And so, I mean we were we were the incredible for Halloween. And, and the one thing that I love about incredible, too. Is that? That even more. So she is shown as like the power like the most powerful, how powerful she is in how awesome she is. I mean, there's, there's not a lot of people say my mom flew a plane across the ocean to come and save my dad, and we hit in the plane to go and help her. You know, and then you know she. Save the world a few. I mean she's and she and I like it. I like how she can like I love how they show that she's a mom first and then a superhero, but like her love and her passion. She like really wants to be a part of it. But like even when she's calling him and, and calling Bob, and it's like Bob, what's going on? And he's like, everything's fine. And she's an there's that moment, she's on the bed, and he, and he really wants to just say, everything's going to crap, but he doesn't wanna tell her that and she's like waiting for him to say it. But then when he doesn't she gets really exciting. She's like I saved a trade. You're just like, oh, that makes me so happy because I mean, there's so many people, I mean, parents and moms out there that are, you know, sacrificing their passions to help you know, others and I think that she's a great well, I think that I think incredible to did. A really good job showing that mothers don't have to sacrifice things. They don't have to sacrifice their dreams. They don't have to be subservient women in the bare barefoot in the kitchen kind of thing, they, I mean, some women want that, and that's fine. But if you have other skills and abilities, they don't have to be able to stretch, but just other talents that you have. If you if you want to explore those you can do that, and still be a good mom. Exactly. And the funny the thing that I love is that Cobra. He he when you ask him who are you in the incredible? He doesn't say dash, and he doesn't say, Jack Jack and he doesn't say, Mr. incredible. He always says that he's elastic grow because she's the coolest, she has the coolest powers, and she's the coolest character and powers are pretty versatile. She thinks we know that naked Lena are raising their son appropriately. That's the hope. So that's the only correct answer that question. Okay. The last phase who, who are you elastic girl, if anyone asks you, if you ask him what if you ask him what superhero, he is? He will usually say that he is elastic girl or Hoke. He loves Holck that way, he can smash. Yeah. And he really likes Spiderman, too, but he likes miles Morales Spiderman because his Spiderman is into the spiders, and he says that I'm Peter Parker your but not the blonde not the blonde one. The Brown haired, one sweats. That's chubby. I was like, okay. All right. Anyway, KTAR, there wa-, who is your who is your mother from the fan diverse that you want. Culture. My next mother, I'd like to future as Caroline Ingalls from little house on the prairie. Talk to few times about my love a little house on the prairie, but I think Caroline Ingalls is such a good mom. And I always think of this one episode where Caroline goes to the mercantile and MRs Olsen. Who's like, really mean like make this her numb or daughter? Yeah. It's really horrible. So Caroline's like looking at fabric and she's like that's way too expensive. You can't afford that you should look at something more like this. And so care line. Like get so mad that she's like no, I want this nice fabric. And she buys it, and she goes back and she's like, telling the families. She's like, oh, I shouldn't have done that. Like I was just so mad, and they're like no mom, you deserve it. You can make a new dress with it'll be so beautiful and then also the other half of the episode the two daughters are getting ready to do like a performance at school. Maybe it's just I think they're just like reading essay or something. So the night before you see her, like, say. Hang up late working on her dress. And then the next morning, she actually shows them that she made them both dresses with the fabric instead of making her address amid dislike makes me wanna cry every single time. So there's lots of things where she's a really good mom. But I just think of that up a soda in particular, can you imagine living in that time period and not having a grocery store to just go and buy a TV dinner at for when you want to be lazy, and you're like, oh, we're just gonna heat something up in the microwave tonight. Or it's we ran out of milk. Yeah. It's like, hey, can you go get milk tonight? Yeah, there's like a crazy episode where she gets her leg infected like from like a scratch, and she ends up having to like burn it to like get the infection out and like passes out in his all alone, and, like she can't call anyone, and she can't, like just like, basically give herself medical treatment, and I'm like. Ma is a bad ass. That's really what is so. All right. All right. That's true. That's true. There's little episode will be coming. I totally cool if we want to do that episode where she has to burn her own flash. That would be cool. Oh, all right. Well. My next mother. My next mother from the fan of verse that I am picking, and this is a mother that I picked, because I don't I want to recognize that not all mothers are biological. The the village is a real thing. It takes a lot of it takes a lot of people to raise children. And so a lot of times, people fill in the mother role, who is not a biological mother, and I want to recognize that. And so from that list, I've got Wendy Angela Boyra darling from Peter Pan. In the original book, she was actually, the protagonist, Peter Pan was more of an antagonised, and Wendy was set to be that it's changed multiple times. Because jam berry kept adapting it and changing it as he made the stage play better. So, you know, she went in there and she not even just. In neverland. But when she was in, in London, still, she was most mostly adaptations, she have arouse like an Edwardian era schoolgirl, like junior highest age, and she was taking care of her two others. Michael and John and her dad doesn't mean they had a dog for a nanny for them. So I mean she had to step up a little right? Right. I don't know what her own mother did. Because in, in the book, when the did most of the mothering, even to her father, her dad, tried to hide his medicine, and she was like, no, dad. It's right here here you better. Take your medicine. And I don't know about you, but I've met a bunch of thirteen year olds that are that. Well, yeah, so I mean, she, she tells stories she she is such a good mother to her brothers, but Peter Pan is like, Nope. You're gonna come to Neverland. Mother to all of us. So, yeah, she, you can be our mother. She gets. She gets more character development in the book than I, I'd say, probably any of the other characters, including Peter Pan. I mean she she loves the fact that she's a child still. And she loves imagining and fantasizing and stuff like that still but tonight is my last night in the nurse she's really disappointed about that. But in her, I have to grow up to my magic and spending time with the lost boys. She act. I think she actually does grow up and become more of a mother to them on. She also realizes that they need some supervision. And so, like, you know. You know, because she is, you know, coming of age, and she starting to realize, you know what, you know, life is awesome. And you can have fun. But then also there's. Yeah. Interestingly, she also is the mother of the name Wendy if you look in census records before the book came out, there are very few records of English speaking people with that name. There's some non English speaking boys as what the trivia that I was looking at says. But so I mean it's a it's more familiar version of the Welsh name Gwendolyn, but I mean it's like nNcholas is a name that people name their kids, a lot, but nNcholas not to say Nick, Nick is the nickname and just like Wendy was the Wendy was the nickname in flag. Gustav and guy. So I think I don't know. I just think she's an interesting character Taylor and Taytay, I have an uncle named or Brandon and Ron Ron, exactly. I have an uncle named John and it's just John. It's not Jonathan. And I always think that's weird. I dunno. That's it's I just found that to be an interesting trivia listeners right in and let us know if you think it's weird when people are named just John and not Jonathan. I know a lot of people that just thinking about is your is your next mom named John. No. But my next L it's my turn. My next pick. That transition. Well, in that in that case, I'm going to do one that has a connection to both Brandon and probably Taylor law. Actually, I know the Taylor will like this one. Might simply be the greatest matriarch. I'll say that represented in TV to steal mine. I think you're gonna steal my last one. You're gonna you're gonna still on. Well, maybe I don't know. But. Because she is such a treasure. I'm going to say violet crawl okay, who is also known as the dowager Countess from the PBS hit downton abbey. I've never seen downplayed played by Maggie Smith. Who also played Wendy Angela, Royal darting exactly? So that's kind of why I went there. So she, she is the reason why I loved that show like the rest of it was fine. But I as a you know. As a man and whatever else like. And, you know, whatever the, the most of that a real dumb dumb, you know, because I mean, the relationships and stuff like that, that was fine. You know, everyone get all broken up about, oh, you know, whatever. And I was like, yeah, that's great story, but I just waited until Maggie Smith appeared on the screen so they could hear whatever like ridiculousness that she was going to say the thing that was awesome about her is that she. She was a stickler for tradition. But she was she had the ability to bend the rules for those that she loved, and that was the theme that she carried throughout the whole series is that like she always was such a hard nose. Like, you know, we have to do this, because this is the way that it's done. But then when it really came down to it she was just a big softie with a heart. You know, a hard shell and she would usually relent, or she was always she would do something that nobody else could see so that she could actually do what she knew was right as opposed to what the tradition upheld, and she has some of the greatest one liners and the greatest quotes in that show. And so, and because Maggie Smith is one of the greatest actors. Ever in my opinion like she's just amazing. I mean she played Wendy for. I mean they had to do age look that old and suck and for the longest time, actually thought she was that old. So win when Harry Potter came out of Mike. Wow. Wow. She's aged really well, and then I found out there was age makeup, and I was disappointed. I was like, grandma Wendy nanna Wendy's. Not is not actually that old. I'm disappointed. Now. Well. And in that in the movie hook like that first scene when she comes when they come down. And the and the and the, the kids are like, hey, you know it's so good and she's like, oh my gosh, you're so big and she's just like hugging them. You know, she's a wonderful mother. I mean she's being honored for being this great. You know a foster parent. She says there's only one rule in my house. Know grow growing up. Stop this very instant. And that includes you, Mr Chairman of the board. And I adopted that rule in my house from the moment that my kids were born. So if you ask Cobra what the number one rule is in our house. It is no of growing up, and I yell at him every day because he keeps getting bigger, and he's not see I was gonna say, I amended that, but it's more of a cost cutting approach because kids clothes. They grow out of them. So quick. Yeah. But yeah so Maggie Smith she's a treasure. I will quote Tina Fey forever from thirty rock when she says Maggie Smith is a treasurer. Fair enough. She is a treasurer. I mean, I mean one of the greatest quotes of, of, of, of violet, you know, inviolate there's connection there for, you know, knows that aims, all about the incredible 's you just wanted to be able to be like, I'm going to do another incredible reference. Sure. But she says, she says, no one wants to kiss a girl in black. So, you know, Taylor take note. From from. Addressing like I'm going to a funeral every day. The Dow, the Dow is the brow. That's what's chasing the men away. The Dow Jo- Countess violet grain right now. Anyway, stop wearing. All right. Who is your Taylor? Who's your next? All right verse. Next one is, I guess would be officially considered a stepmother. But in a good way not an evil one. And that's froyo line Maria from the sound of music. Right guys about her. I feel like she is a great example of a mother figure, and then eventually actually they're real, mom. And I also really love her relationship with captain von Trapp. Am I would argue that it might be one of the greatest love stories of all time, but that's probably for a different podcast, federal calm. I don't think so it's got Nazis season. It's pretty funny. I think I don't think so unlike underage drama that, that's a very creepy song, by the way, if you think about the lyrics Steve going on seventeen. Looking for a man to tell her what to do? Yeah. That's. Now that song was, obviously written by a man. It's a it's a product every time. Right. Especially because he turns out to be easy. So I mean if you're gonna have ABC's. Yeah, that, you know what? That's a that's a terrible show. We should never watch Santa music. No one ever should watch it again. Get now now that we're woke. It's okay. Now I know better. Okay. So when I watch I'm, like, remember when I used to think he was so cute. Now, I have enough space in that he's a Nazi. And he's bad. That's when he's like it, and he is he is all gung ho about being Anonciata to like it's not like reluctance, those were lucky not you hear about. I guess, story or movie, the reluctant Nazi. There's plenty of guys that were like I don't want. Following Nazi forty following orders? Oh, it's, it's like I don't feel that you're always talking about the reluctant. Dragon. Yeah. They went to an animation studio. The Nazi animation studio and drew cartoons. Yeah, I didn't know I didn't know I didn't know that, that was part of the third. Production are not evil. That's the point of my choice of froylan Maria. All what are other stepmother's that are not evil to the ghouls non-evil step mother? No google. You failed me. The first result is top ten evil stepmothers wanted. That's not what you wrote. I've tried to think of another one, like non-evil similar. I mean I know there's a lot of like adaptations of like. I mean, I guess she's not a stepmother, though, you know who's a good. You know, who's a good like is a good mother that, like got it thrust upon them. I just thought of. What is the movie called it's not? It's got. The girl from ten things I hate about are not tempting. How lose gone. But then there's a movie where I ister. Well. Yeah. I think it is raising home. I like that show. And she like reluctant like she's. Awesome executive and stuff like that. And, and then her sister, and her husband died in a tragic accident. Then she gets out of the best. Stepmother is a good stepmother that everyone will agree is stepmother, but and I wanna put her on my list, but she, she not on my list, because the next mother is the best, but Carol Brady. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. The Brady bunch Carol Brady is the is the greatest step mom of all time. Oh, what about despicable me two? She's an adopted step. Mom kind of. Oh, yeah. Well, he's in he adopts the girls too. And then he falls in love with Kristen wig, who isn't in Lubbock. Christopher. That's a lot. There's a lot of good stuff. Oh there. Really aren't. That's, that's the whole problem. Like those are three that's pretty much all of them pretty much all of them, you know what? Right in. I'm sure that there's some tell us who the best who the best stepmothers are I type in good stepmother movies. And I get things like Cinderella Snow, White bunch of Cinderella's knockoffs. Tommy boy, we could stepmother. Yeah. Those are those are not good. Stepmothers Google understand context. Please. All right. Article on how to be a non evil. Stepmother? Changing the step. Mom, stereotype, ten tips for stepmother's. Why are all the Disney monzo, either evil or absent? Because Disney had problematic issues with parentage. He either killed them off made them all orphans. Or at least kill the moms. Yeah. Okay. All right, next. I'm quite it's no no, no, no. I wanna I wanna know what was just gonna. I this isn't one on my list either. But I just thought of this one, because I'm watching the umbrella academy. And so the mom from that the robot, mom grace, oh, the robot. I I am halfway through that now too. We need to talk to you, guys, you guys need to finish that, so we can actually do an episode about it now that it's been. Podcast. I believe I believe that I believe that Lena would wanna be on that one because she she watched it all without me. And then she was like, Nikki need to watch this show, and I was like I have to finish Star Trek discovery. I because if I stop, now it will be months before I come back, and I've only got like four episodes. Let. And then I started umbrella because she had been telling me to watch it for a while. I mean I'd heard like lots of good things about it. But mostly it was Lena. We go Lena's the greatest missionary phantom, like she's just so good at mining watched umbrella, academy. And then that's what I do is Taylor. Franck Marx would listen to all the episodes, I'm just gonna continue to shame you until you listen to everything and also congratulated. Veronica deaf. We definitely do an episode on that Brennan, have you seen all the Veronica Mars? I've not seen any of them. Give me about ten minutes. I'll watch mall. So the next time speed. So you just watched them. You're done right. Okay. So now you know, we we're good. Okay. So I think you're right. All right. Those if they ever if they ever come up with the technology just like put a put like a jump drive in your brain. And you can just download the content Brandon, we'll just constantly just be like the matrix, he would just he knew he just be sitting in sitting in front of the computer just never stopping, and then it will kind of like the Ridler from like too many questions. And he's just like sitting there like twitching because all of the information is coming in to his brain like that. That's what I picture Brandon if that ever happened. So don't make that technology world. I want ROY right. All right. All right. This is the mom k next next mom in the list, because because she deserves to be on this list. This is the mom that. Is the sassy as demaim in the entire in the entire fan numbers entire fan diverse sassy? Mom, her name is fiesta. Trillo joel. I'm not sure she's from the golden girls. I almost did. Yeah. She, I mean, she, she's the kind of person who would say, I think there's a connection between your brain and wallpaper paste or. Her parenting, style is jealousy is a very ugly thing Dorothy. And so are you in anything back with? I mean. Basically, she's a Queen. Thank you for being a friend. And I mean, she would never miss the chance to point out your greatest flaw, and try to help evac time you went on a diet, but in turn into the guy from silence of the lambs. I need to watch that show more. Silence of the lambs, I know. I've never seen. Silence of the lambs. I've never watched. F-. Don't really like those movies. They're scary. Yes. I watched what did I watch? Oh, I watched a quiet. It was fantastic anxiety inducing, but again story. Yeah. But like. Yeah. I like this is amazing. And then I was like, did you watch that? Yeah. And I watched it with lead and. Yeah. Amy champion those air to. She wants to with us. I can't even explain to you what the experience was like seeing it in theater. Just like all collectively, I can feeling so anxious and like literally on the edge of our seats being like home who? Moment. I, I, I went she's a good mom and that. She's married. I went to go see quiet place on free free popcorn Tuesday. Oh, yeah. That was not good in that theory because they small paper and they were making noise, you don't make noise during that movie people don't go. I remember getting popcorn and a drink. And I like didn't touch it the whole time because I was just like. What's going to happen? And I was going to have nachos for that night. And then I realized I should. And then I didn't eat. I didn't even eat there until after it was like. On it. That she is a great mom. I mean, the fact that she is like both Lena, and I were just in awe of the fact that she could be great with child. And be silent. There are a lot of things in that movie that didn't make sense that if you thought about it for a few more minutes, you'd be like way. Why didn't she give birth by the waterfall or you know, things like that? But because she didn't know when she was going to go that to make your house up by the water might have been that might have been their plan because they'd have to build the house, and that would make noise. How are they going to build a house? I don't know you dig a hole in the key and make a cave. And you live in the cave. We'll how how are you going to dig a hole? That makes hind the waterfall that masks all the noise in the masks, all the noise. But guys, the nail seen that easy, right? Oh, oh, that was the worst and then she's in the bathtub. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Nail seen bathtub baseball bat. Yeah. Yeah. She wants me about our well so so FIA patrol. Oh is. She she she's that snarky mom, she would not survive in a quiet place, the Talia so that just tells you everything. I mean, she she's the one who, who, who would say, go ahead stand up and say it I'm rose. And I'm an idiot. So she sang that to Betty, I know. So I've got a link of the twenty five. Best Sophia patrol insults. In the show because I mean, some of them are just as simple as like I hate you in that man's discuss ball. But yeah, yeah. She's, she's she's, she's a funny lady. And some of these, I can't say on the podcast and there's some awesome gifts in here. So anyway, anyway. All right. So where the point now I think where if we have any other bring out your dead. Style honorable mentions out. You're dead. It's from it's from Monty python, and the holy grail just throwing there. But. I feel happy. When when, when your next run day. All right. All right. K Nick, I know you had a big oldest. I think I'll go for a walk. I feel happy who who else was on your list. This was going to be my next choice. More kitchen Adams from the Addams family, because if you like she has the ability to stay cool. Amongst the chaos of her family. And that is admirable because we all have crazy family straight, or at least that guy. That's crazy. I'm Michael, just always keeps her cool. And she's I mean she always knows how to get her husband, like engine like she just knows how to play that whole family like a fiddle. She is in control of that whole place. All right. So she's awesome. She knows how to keep her husband Gomez, Taylor. What any any honorable mentions? Yeah. I'd like to give a shout out to Tammy Taylor from Friday night lights. Don't know either of you watch the show, but it's great. She is such a great mom and such a great wife and has a really fun personality. And one of my favorite quotes, but she says to her daughter is the big deal is that it's part of my job, to make sure that you don't grow up stupid. It's bad for the world. It's true. So really love Tammy Taylor. Definitely recommend Friday night lights. My, my next one on my list was Martha Kent. I mean the talk talk about her name saved saved the world that you say that name. Yeah. She was on my list, too. Yeah. She she. She took an alien from the middle of the cornfield and raised him. Like he was her own son. Some might say that's insane 's, but him he he had those, it was because of her that he didn't go nuts. Zach take over the. Or this is injustice video Nick, any other honorable mentions. The only other ones I could say is Connor. There is a bomb, and then I also thought of kanga from Winnie the Pooh. Okay. Because she, she kind of has a ADD son. And she kind of has, you know, she's got to deal with that. And then she even takes in even more ADD son and lets her like let's tigger common live in the forest and then there's not a lot of women. That would keep their cool if they're baby was replaced with a little pig, and their child was abducted like candidate. So she's pretty awesome like levelheaded and she has a dry sense of humor, which makes me happy. So kanga I think she's the. The lesser thought hero of respected us. She should be the unsung. Yeah, unsung. Hero women anymore. My last one is Lor like Gilmore, from Gilmore girls. She's a terrible mother though. She I know she is she yells at the end of the revival. I was waiting for somebody to say either her or. Yeah. Emily mall. Feel better mother at the end of the show at the end of the show. Yes, I will say, well, that's only that's only after she's a deeply flawed mother like many mothers are. It's true. It's true, but she she's not also she, she had one kid is Admiral about Laura life. You know. You know. And the one thing that is very admirable about her is that she is always, even if it is, like her intentions are completely wrong, and flawed. Her intention is always about. She's a really good, intentions, and cheese, independent and. I know see it was as an honorable mention because I knew that you would give me flat for it. All right. I got a couple more. I've got I've never seen the show. But you gotta put the mother of dragons to target area on there. After. Because she they've been foreshadowing that the entire series. I know me too and everyone, that's like this is so I've never seen an episode. Can I knew that would happen? She's got dragons. Of course. She's going to court. Her dad was called the mad king. And they just started talking about it all the time for the season. She's going to attack with dragons as as much as I will say, I'm going to edit out a half of a word that I said earlier. Yeah, yeah. She's got dragons, I would use dragging if five if I if I was the mother of dragons, so. I've also got on their Lucille ball from I love Lucy. And a terrible choice but she actually gets she gets some things accomplished from some pretty clueless kids. And so I'm going to go with mob eagle from duck tales like she's a terrible mother. But she gets the. So she's she is. She is a lot more hardnosed in the newer adaptation. Then I feel that I remember when she was like, no, no nineties. Yeah. She. She was like. I like that. Okay. I just maybe I just remember that. Yeah. We will now you're a parent, you're like wait. Whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no. That's not cool. But yeah, those. Maybe those. Mob eagles. Oh, Ma beagle. I thought you were talking about the, the aid. That's that like. The one and yeah, she's migos nominal. She's the criminal takes care. I yeah, she's, she's the head of the beagle boys. And they're they're criminal organization. I got you, I was thinking of the, that's the maid's name like that. Resumes. His name is. I don't think she's quite a made like they always powder as that. But she really just like is in like she is the life coach, MRs duck. Be cly. He's that's why it's close misses issues. He she's aunt is that. Yeah. Or grandma or. Yeah. I think it changed in the show anyway. This is basically is awesome. Yeah. Because I think that she works for Scrooge mcduck and, and. And that's why we believe there webby why webbie's there is because sorry we that's funny. Free websites. But. Wehbe did it again, Wehbe. She's there because he lives. So I would like I. Creech show. I try so hard to make cover like that show. I like that. I'm like, oh, I wanna see a spinoff episode, maybe they've done. I just haven't seen it where MRs Beasley and Duckworth go on an adventure. I think he Duckworth the Butler. I think that'd be cool episode. Anyway. So those are our mothers from across the fan of verse you have your suggestions, and your lists. So send those into us feedback at phantom podcast dot com or you can head over to the Facebook group, which is phantom podcast dot com slash group. That'll take you to the fan of maniacs. And we have some good discussions over there. Okay. So our live appearances are almost wrapping up for the season. We were we we've been to way too many cons way too short of time in the past few weeks. But there is one more gathering that. Well, it'd be all be at we're still getting some some confirmation on. They can tailor June eighth. The Utah podcast summit. 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LCB Ep. 138 - Top 5 Movie Families, Review of Jordan Peele's 'Us' and One Month Until Avengers: Endgame

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LCB Ep. 138 - Top 5 Movie Families, Review of Jordan Peele's 'Us' and One Month Until Avengers: Endgame

"Finnerty? And beyond. You can get me out of this message that he's gonna show up. Fish might you pay. You can't handle the truth. Maybe not maybe fuck yourself. Shoot your kid. What? One. Please. Yes. Just paid. We're going. We don't need roads. All eight. Welcome. The white humor Marshall episode one thirty eight Jeff flow, Ken, Jack tro, Boland's coming at you on our second to last episode of the month of March about that Mark almost over already last Thursday episode of March were here reviewing us, and then we're going to do top-five movie families. So just the best movie families not a draft is the rankings. There's enough families draft them. So you got that or you us and then on Sunday we have review excuse me. An interview with Timothy Simon's from veep did a little discussion on the show veep, which is coming back Sunday night, finally, veep, really get interviewed two very funny, and I hate to do this. But we talked about things off air that we can't air. It was a very funny conversation. Very funny conversation. I do feel bad. We can't everybody. We can't. We can only true. So okay. Just sell coats kind of feel good about that. Now. Did you tell him that be basically is the second most anticipated HBO show return to the year? Oh, be touched on it a little bit. You know, we have some in thrones. Yeah. So you work for you do show HBO, right? Have you met areas stark in real life? That's awesome of the dire wolves big like they've really big. All right. Well, what else anything going on? We do this thing in our group chat where we'll just randomly send something somebody else's sent before is. We're always in a rush to break the movie news on the group chat. In like, we run into situations where somebody just won't read a message. And then we'll we'll send a message then somebody's already scented. And it really pisses each one of us off and we did that today with the Star Wars. Poster. I did that today at the stars. But which we we are not gonna talk about by the way, there was a leak stars episode nine poster. And there are people very upset online that it has been tweeted some we're just not gonna talk about it yet because star celebration is in two weeks. There's gonna be a trailer titles. We're just gonna wait. But yes, you did do that though. I didn't know if you were fucking with us, if I you definitely were the second time you sent it. But I thought you were messing knows because I was not messing with you. The first time. Because you preface it with Jeff did you see this? And you said I think this is real and the way you it was very antagonist ticking away around. I think you're. I think I is this a bit. I think this is a bit. And that's when I knew I did it on intentionally. Jeff like, we had a twenty text conversation about it too. I will say that. That's the difference is typically whenever this does happen. It was because it was a short conversation or like, oh, Dan. That's cool. I, but we went back and forth enough where I I just figured you were doing with us. So we can talk about the Wikipedia. Yeah. That is the first thing we're getting into the first thing we're getting into before news. Is that trill did send something in the group today very randomly unprovoked out of nowhere and said let me get the exact wording what you used here. You said find it the Wikipedia article for America's funniest home videos is so thorough. This came right after Ken Jackson video of Tony stark of a mean, implying Tony stark is going to send ant man of Santos's asshole, more endgame. So just the timing was absolutely brilliant. People seem to like that video. They did did was very left incredibly hard out loud. When I saw it. But yes, so. We did that and then Charleston that thing that comment about America's funniest home videos Kapiti of page, and now I need you to have it up. So walk me through what we need to see here because this is an incredibly elaborate Kapiti of page for this week. Pedia the premise the premise for Merrick's funniest home videos, which it's a pretty simple premise, you just watch funny. Home videos, is least least thousand words longer than that of of us, which I have up next to it. And it's like a PDF page. Yeah. So I was just I was just curious if you could do a quick word count, America's funniest home videos page and didn't do a quick word count of like Jesus. Okay. Let's see. Well, that's unfair because there's many subways of that. But it is perhaps the most. Impressively elaborately constructed Wikipedia of something that has no cultural relevance in at all is something else. I like I like it be just look at the whatever the sidebar is where you get God the basics. I mean, you get so written by there's one two three four five six seven eight nine credits on the written by and then they list all the directors. Get all the presented by and I read through and it goes into detail on the history like in debt, and you get it by era gives the Bob sag era. Get the John Fugel saying era, Tom perjure on ehre. Okay. Sag? It soon grew tired of the repetitive. Format was eager to pursue other projects the comedian leading for him going through the motions constantly getting out of character and make it making pointed remarks on the air during its last two seasons. But psych, it's not a guy you really. Going up the rails. Now, not an Ulster, especially on a family friendly TV show, but just the inside detail this article is fascinating. And it just got me thinking who's writing this? It has to be somebody affiliated with America's funniest videos home videos. It has on the Wikipedia page roughly ten point five thousand words, the no I flip the flip at here, America's funniest home videos has about eight point three thousand words on their Kapiti page game of thrones has ten point five. Only two thousand more words for this elaborate seven season show based off of books and with a multitude of characters back stories crew production episode, Donald this is just Americans still videos. Where did you get to the segment where they listed off the skits the segments number you're on with do? And it's it's literally like twenty bullet list of segments that Birger on those. Do you want me to read them? Yeah. You have versus a moment of EU the dog cat park. Av f family of the week nincompoop corner. AFE dictionary. Name that sound pick the real video. What's behind the blue blob? The naughty file a moment with what's up with the French. Oh, my. Very out of nowhere AFE pop quiz, and the af the ten thousand dollar club Tom version on. French people. Then you go to the alpha Ribiero section and you get his segments on here too. They're like, it's this is an unbelievable. I'm impressed, the seasons tab it list out. This is more detailed than premier TV shows like if you've ever gone them Wikipedia looking for more information on the Americans. This will tell you season's episodes in the series episodes in the season. The host the premiere date in the finale date, and it is just an exhaustive list. It'll tell you how many episodes under each host. It's believable and the merchandise section look at this. They've list it list out every VHS DVD release of America's funniest. I personally like Alphonso rhyme time or L funds. Those flubs Bob SaK didn't have too many obsessed. It was a simple his his EFI was much simpler different. There's a sec. I read the whole thing beyond with the read the whole thing today. There's a segment where they talk about how to submit a video, and it's like, well, you can still technically submit a super ater VHS tape. But most people just dump it straight to the marika's, funniest home videos, web portal. I'm like, dude. Imagine managing shit you need to get on v. I think that's the next step. Yeah. Yeah. If has any ideas of how to get on America's funniest home videos, which by the way, the abbreviation af v the name of the show still marika's, funniest home videos. Yeah. F h v doesn't doesn't roll off the tongue to will. Did you see that logo that used to one twenty fifteen it looks like something that was like America Online? Welcome to kids corner like Thai flaunts. This is a site to hold eight thousand words, the blacklist somebody words in the blacklist with pedia page two thousand seven hundred. Twenty five hundred damn pretty close. It a game for America's funniest videos DVD game. Not that. I'm a member of the Wikipedia blacklist community. Would you do DVD game America's funniest home videos? Ed you vote vote. It's everybody your dumbest family sitting around pressing button for which video you, right? You've Ota fixed. Aloof? The name of some of the other countries versions of this is actually pretty funny too. In Germany just called ups Diepen in showed sounds very e- forboding Germany's like like dust, foolish people doing foolish things. It's like a guy like drops his pencil on the ground. Yeah. That's good. It's the most like benign stuff ever. It's it's a guy who's like tracing blueprints for like a very economical tool. Shed who goes like one inch too far. Sure as the Boehner committed ons Einstein's confines. What are you thinking? Meanwhile, the Russian one is just like a dash Cam of a car going on fire and relaunching off a cliff blowing mountain if put the the mistake is that the guy doesn't go back into the car. The dash Cam. Or is this big loser. Betsy wish he'd go Dusko. All right. We're movie podcast. So should probably well thinkers, AFC sub read it. Well, there's a thought. Yeah. There is boy experience for ons. There hasn't been many post. There's there's one it's mostly submitting their own, but there's one post with one of zero comments that says, and here's your host, Tom, Berge, Iran. It's just the link to the theme music, I think. Yup. That's all it is there an Abukar beautiful. Bob. Do you think anybody at if you look on read it to watch their videos guy, you I mean? The poster where you test it out. What's the top host of all time? Man. There's only one hundred twenty eight subscribers this five online right now, though, her five people online. Yeah, you're right. They're five people online. I'd say eight it's Tom perjure up on five different computers. Three of three of them are. Yeah. Yeah. The most the best post of all time came five years ago, and I got nine votes. Dog. Plus wind equals wings, you go to the one titled kids where somebody Alf cost. But I don't understand what it says at the bottom Portuguese. The only reason I even went to marika's funniest home videos in 'em, so dismayed by this is because I sent a funny video of my baby to my mom, and she goes, you should send that into America's funding. And I'm like that's not around anymore, and it still yes, it is. Not only still around. There is apparently a very active week pedia community. But the rave what in blue. I'm telling Senate in do America, America. This is you do dude that Alex when Bob sag it would make the comments like a cute, it'd be good like swinging the T-ball bet his dad nuts. But. Of the best. That's why Bob sang it was always better than Tom version on because even if you would do the voices he would sell out go for it. Tumbler Joma comment on Bob sag, it with voice dogs. Like what happens if a smell the stars? Wouldn't be that bad. But you know, what his mind Bob sag? It was like damn I wish I could really wild out here. Burs? Rhonda's like did you nixed on he'll wear Cup? And it's like, yeah. Tom. I bet he would. Pretty good. Match being the show runner of America's funniest home videos, and like guys think we're losing Tom dancing. They're going to poach him fulltime. I just know it. He also. Another celebrity show that I wish would come back and that was Hollywood squares. Oh, yeah. Loved Hollywood squares Canadian Tom version on. Yeah. He's got very Canadian vibe. He comedians are typically from Canada. No, he's from Esa. -chusetts? That's basically Canada. Essentially, not really homes in Greenwich and LA. Fans if you if you're out a whole foods, and he saw Tun Birger on there. Would you say that's Tom version? Yeah. I don't think I would really. Recognize him. Tom Berge has just a very familiar face. He looks like a lot of people, man. He just looks like Tom version. I mean, that's just just Tom version. Tommy be Tom Birger on come on the pod is he probably like ninety three years old and just looks phenomenal. He's sixty three you're close. Tommy, Vince, what's his net worth closest guests before move on here. Ahmad as Wikipedia and Ken Jax closes twelve million. But I I don't believe that. There's no way you could be you can have as long of a career in as prolific on as many popular shows and only have twelve million dollar net worth area. Go you were close he's of French Canadian and Irish descent avian in them. I'm just saying he's got that. He's got that. That poised Canadian vibe, you know, what I'm saying that Canadian posture like he would stay calm during an earthquake. I really wanna would squares. I want it back tramping comic dog on a Hollywood squares. Once it was incredible. What about the what was the first time? You realize all the jokes and Hollywood squares were pre written. I was I was today years. He did I will say the funniest of you should look it up. The triumph comic doghouse courses, incredibly hilarious. But they're the one stipulation was that he wasn't allowed to talk to Kathy Lee Gifford like the dog was not allowed to make joker like talk to Kathy Lee or something like that. Which is crazy. I was thought like, okay, why him that movie? Right. Like, you know, he's very rich. And he's an idiot. His characters in idiot, James Franco's characters in idiot funny gag for somebody who's an idiot, very rich, and a movie would have to have a full Hollywood squares installation with the Bruce away inch that permanent. Papers burst alleged to live in the square. Personal aunt. Yeah. He was the staple that show. Really was Bruce ranches had a prolific career. What's Bruce alleges that worth I don't know? But he's he's like he writes all those award shows, or maybe just the X all those in the arts Shipton, I'm gonna guess ten million. Again, he was yet. He's still the feature writer for the Tonys Grammys. He was for the Oscars from two two thousand two thousand fourteen. Worth. What's NetWorth close? Way as she probably look that up. It wasn't on was like a PB page. It's supposed to be too much. What did you say ten pro? I say fifty fifty million dollars. Bruce inch. Eight million. Ooh, I just need. We have unfair disadvantage because we do get a lot of NetWorth questions on big if true not typically for Kendrick Tyler gets them. But it does. -tations tempered, the fact that you thought bristle aunt fifty million dollars mind-blowing so much money. Nobody like you're you're writing for three award shows a year and you've been doing it for fifty years. That's it spent all the money on I run t shirts. It's a big ass budget that in the glasses. Jerry seinfeld. Still probably hasn't craziest network of any comedian or actor. What was his eight hundred million nine hundred and fifty million. Makes sense though is probably I mean, a lot of that's probably the Seinfeld syndication. Yeah. Julia Louis Dreyfuss NetWorth is is the crazy one because of her family. Yeah. And eventually it'll come down where she's worth like three point five billion or something like that her dad was like, some French chemical or steel company. Yeah. I what it was. They have so. Yep. Crazy stuff fund segment. That was I'm glad I I knew so be on the second. You randomly told us that you felt Wikipedia pages. Incredible for it's it's unbelievable. So I put a challenge out there. Let's find Wikipedia pages that are just overwhelmingly detailed and long. Yeah. For the subject, and if you know of any just drop drop to Jeff we'll cover them. I feel like this is a better chance of succeeding than the red at one because the red at one the problem with the red at one we found the blacklist read it we've found the pinnacle like the cream of the crop of weird red. It's and I don't think you are of weird read it's for things that are normal. Like, I don't think you can ever top that like we thought the olive garden. One will be just as good it just turned out not to be as great. So you get us a good one Wikipedia will do a will make this a weekly thing once a week. So. All right for going to some news this episode broaching apart by Honey tried to buy something online. Only to find out later, you missed a discount. Always the worst always worked wasted money don't overspend anymore, and you can do that. Thanks to Honey Honey is a free browser. Add on that finds the best deals online. The app magically auto applies. The best deal to your car a checkout on he finds discounts and coupons across thirty thousand plus sites. Amazon best buy Nordstrom apple before anywhere. You wanna go? It will search seamless anything. Anything your mind with Honey, you don't worry about listening a deal shop like normal Honey handles arrest, just click about and it's on the side. It'll pop at the checkout. I've been using it for a very long time. Emmers Verdy saved more than eight hundred million dollars. That's not bad for something. That's completely free in takes just two clicks to install we first advertises. Everyone is asking where do you install just go to honey's website, Honey dot com slash lights. Get it for free Honey dot com slash lights. Get it for free installs right into your browser. Google Chrome thing. Most of us do all you do when you're at checkout. It'll pop up you click on that it'll install a promo code or insert one into your checkout. You'll save money. Simple. As that do. Now, Honey dot com slash light. It's free. And then you save money. Simple as that. All right. Let's get into some movie news marvel off the top. It's almost April. I means. It's almost time for vendors endgame, if you're listening right now, it's most likely before Tuesday, April second, Tuesday, April second, I would wake up if you want to see vendors and game, and I would pull up your movie ticketing app immediately because it will be on sale Tuesday. Morning April second do the morning telling you right now. Set a reminder set alarm on your EMC app. Your dangle app Adam ticket to go. That's vendors. Endgame game. Tickets will be on sale start off at the top. With the big thing. This is not confirmed. It did leak. It's not confirmed in an article today in one movie publisher forget who was might have been reported by variety who who is the interview with Chris Evans Hollywood reporter. Okay. I think it was them. They mentioned that it is not finalized three hours in two minutes. But it's very close. So sensually, it's all but confirmed that vendors endgame will be three hours or more. We just don't know the exact time. I think we expected this me personally, very happy and their response on Twitter for I saw an Instagram people very pumped up about this. It's one eighth of a day that is it is one eighth of day. There's some movies. I can't I have a hard time sitting through two hours of that. I will gladly sit there in my seat for vendors and game for three hours in two minutes rumored. I do wish they would build in some bathroom breaks. Seven intermission. That'd be kinda sick. Wouldn't it? Yeah. Very sick. Just like what would take it to the intermission? Like, we'll be a good cut. Would it be? When ant man shrinks down. Be a cliffhanger for an intermission. How about before they go and the presumed time machine that is going to be involved. Like right before they go in. It's like, let's take an intermission break. Go piss shit in come whatever else. You gotta do come back in nice, and relaxed. What do you think what would they show in the intermission? What would you wanna see during the say, you don't have to p? I'm just thinking like the scene from a Kung Pao where it's just like random characters popping up on the go to the concession by some popcorn. It's like captain America without assured on my nipples, look like milk, duds and stuff like that. That's my that's my picture enough for those seen Kung Pao. Let's go to the lobby just kept American sing it. Yeah. Those dancing cardboard things. I would like it. If the Enos did another snap. And then it was implied to us as an audience died like choose your adventure type thing. Yeah. In we died get taken out of movie. So we could pee. And then we come back and thinness is like a psych catch you owned. They should do something like that. I don't know. I don't know what the. The conceit the payoff would be. But is that you go like super fans go to a screening and halfway through the movie they snap in half. The feeder has to get up and leave like you can see vendors and game early a week earlier for free but half with the movie, they make half the audience leaves. Oh, that's a good idea to know win for them. Spoiler was because then that people going on spoiling the first half of the movie could be so fucking mad. They got kicked out of the movie that tell about it. Yeah. Kendrick and actually see now at ten AM on April twenty third. And like that's just being greedy. Because they we could've seen the six PM with the embargo releases before that I want, you know, I want the clout I want to be able to tweet about it. When Richard Brody from the New Yorker does we're just greedy pigs. We wanna get out ahead of that old. Fuck Richard Brody, who's going to be like, I don't think time travel works this way, they're implying cynical model and not string theory. He never had the balls to review, captain marvel. Shit. He never both at it. Wait. No. He did. He finally did. Yeah. Damn like two weeks after the fuck and movie like long after the movie came out. What a perfect old guy thing to do. Just take 'em time. What what's he think? It was the best sentence. You could find off the top. Well, that's hard because he writes like a wannabe chace whole fucking William. Shakespeare, the full progressive politics of captain marvel. That's the. Yeah. Foot every will be his us review timely review today. So yeah, that's great. I'm excited. Three hours. Awesome. You know? You know as good or bad sided to see it or way less than a month away at this point. Actually, it's a deadline or literally exactly month away as record this this whole month since captain marvel I've had this idea my headed it's been kept in Carville. And it's just been like a cream superhero downs delicious. It wouldn't love that Sabio superhero that I think if it exists in real life that would be like way more popular than iron, man or real-life door. I see the vision. Eappen ice cream. Basically, captain Cordell has to has to be a play on something else is just not. I mean, it's stupid. If you don't have the name for the whale involved in this or any other Carville Carville characters with what was that clown? Sad clam. No, I only know fudgy the whale Frank. Frank, clown, fizz. Bo, no, that's for modern family. Yes. That that is a joke. That is not played out. Show. I I stopped watching that show while it was very funny show in a first came out. Oh is Larry show it probably. It's. It's like big bang for me where if it's on, and I just need some comfort entertainment going on in the background while I read the sake euro, read it to see people are pissed off about it. I'll put it on. But I don't I don't act much one else. Anything else on the hours? No, they also release character posters. Thirty two character posters. Sixteen characters who are alive to the sixteen or happy HOGAN play Jon Favreau, not the Obama speechwriter and going to Paltrow's pepper Potts. So that felt a little cheap because I mean. I like, Jon Favreau. But. Not a hero. However, the the two notable things was one of the dead characters on the dead posters with Suri. To Challah sister from Black Panther who they put in the trailer that she was missing. But there was no actual confirmation. Tweet it yesterday in people tried to dunk on us like actually it was confirmed in the trailer. It wasn't actually convert until yesterday, Disney and marvel basically confirm today that Kyrie did die in the snaps. That is a big deal. We didn't know that. But even bigger deals at Tessa Thompsons Valkyrie from Thawra gotta poster, and she is in the movie there was no real confirmation. Whether or not that character would be in it. So that adds a wrinkle, you know, does Valkyrie save she got off the ship beginning anywhere to she. Go say Tony stark, nebula know, she's back with Ford Thawra, go get her so cool to like nuggets to come out of character, which character posters typically show. Absolutely nothing. So is neat to see that one. There's another plotline with Black Panther involved movie with Sherry, and you get voucher who I think everyone elect ragnarok likes outbreak. No, very excited to see that. The character posters are really well done. I like less is more. But they're really well lit shots. Our beloved characters. It gets its got me jazz is started wasn't that excited for in game. But I'm getting more and more excited. It's slowly building up in me. Yeah. Look awesome. The bigger Portland for me was the fact that we made the Hoke and also. Edward Norton Hoke and the Terrence Howard Rhody roasters. Emmy got ripped off two thousand times a lot. Yeah. We got ripped off within about thirty seconds. So like I made them texted them to our group. And I think about time I'd even just texted them. Our exact one is already ripped off them somewhere else. Like made no sense. What are you gonna do? Man. Do all the do an happens. But yes, it were very funny. We lot of phone with posters getting out there because you could see how people are I think you're right show. I think it's beginning to even for people who aren't on the level. Like myself, Ken Jak is beginning to rise up for people. Because of just the way the marketing is going now before it was a lot of talk without anything to look at. And now there's like a feature at yesterday. There's a new feature at where the Roussel for that everyone to see NYMEX the whole move shine. Max it's meant to be seen. An I max, and then you had the random trailer a few weeks ago ticks come out Tuesday, you as soon as gonna be a piece of content there. But there won't be much more everything that's been released like every TV commercial during the tournament had the same executive. There was no new footage, which was not the case for Infinity war Infinity were there were a couple of new shots here. And there. So far. It's just been everything we've seen the first trailer so continues to build and we're getting closer and closer. I didn't wanna talk about the Spiderman posters those came out for homecoming. Or if you'd be far from home because Sony continues to feel the need to push that movie, despite the fact that they're going to have an advertisement for basically in vendors then game. But instead, I wanna talk about the fact that this came out as record. Angelina Jolie is in talk to star in the turtles, which is a big cosmic movie coming from marvel studios post vendors end games. How do we feel about Angelina Jolie joining the marvel cinematic universe one of the few massively big name actors actresses who wasn't either of them to me more about the terminals are these the gods AR? Yes. So it's within DC doing God tight movie as well. New gods? Believe that that's being directed by. It's finger abor du Vernay, I think I think I feel like. The writing is on the wall and not that they haven't done this all ready, but they're taking it more and more space with which I think this just confirms that the next logical step is not making this movie. But with the the the FOX properties fantastic four in silver surfer. Yeah. Of course, it's like the next natural evolution to go into space. 'cause there's so many more opportunities for expanded settings and everything like that. He had to fight collect galactic Glacos blackness Galapagos. Yes. The famous collectives from silver surfer fantastic for rise of the silver surfer. Who you don't actually see turns out to disorder be space, worm or whatever? Yeah. Just just massively important character. Awful comments turn into a fucking cloud. Yeah. Great job guys. Also, great on engineering, deleting the MC you after her ex husband Brad, Pitt the vanishing man or the vanish earlier or whatever that was a fun. I like that bit in dentistry. Funny bit enjoyed that. I Santo eternal. I do know that. I assume fan has Don after this movie. I don't know if Adam Warlock is an eternal. I I there's a lot of accounts. If I actually don't know. I don't I haven't read the comics. I'm still trying to get through the avengers Infinity war Infinity gauntlet run. But I'm not a good reader, even with comics that doesn't help. But I do know the Adam Warlock is going to be a big time. A cosmic being an entity was teasing guardians to so much ties here, but this will be a big movie 'cause they're gonna have to come out with a massive a massive villain for the next fate or not the next face faces or like short the next I guess era of of this storyline for marvel. So good news though. This just do we know of him. We know hymns worth is still on right? He's. He's he's one of the ones who is not. There's really nothing said about him. It's just as soon that he's gonna keep doing and even Chris Evans left the door open yesterday. He said he was dumb. But he said never use the word retire. I think the only one who is for. Sure dead is stark. Yeah. I think door be a good bridge character some of these new characters because he's he was the start of marvel characters transcending worlds in dimensions. And all that shit. Good stuff. We know in love which eternal character is engine Leauge elite play. They don't know. They don't know yet. Yeah. Okay. That was not quite as fleshed out yet. But yeah, cool. Good news. One more piece of news. I want to get to address this in DC pretty comic book heavy here off the top. This is. Because the quote fucking rules. Whether you agree with their not Zach Snyder talked about Batman versus superman at a at a panel or press conference. And this is the quote at the QNA os after a watchman screening event. He said someone says to me, Ben Affleck's Batman, kill the guy. I'm like fuck really wake the fuck up. That's snitch and first off. The fuck like, okay. I just like I know that obviously he has a pretty strong feeling about his Batman. And he thinks it's fine. And Michael Keaton Batman killed two. He killed in a much less intense way than Zack Snyder's Batman killed means. X Bettman had an inkling to kill people. Like he wanted to kill people times where I think he was just the characters the character. Tim Burton made. So it's hypocritical to go after not go after both. However, I just don't like just kinda rubs me the wrong way the way Neider says it's not you didn't create the character man like Robbie. And I were talking about it. It's like guy who did not create character, grossly misunderstands character, creating a movie for advice. They would've boils down to. I have no problem with Batman killing people. But that meant kill somebody. It's got a mess. Batman up. Has got to go through psychologically when he kills people. You should not want to isn't that sort of the plotline man steel, which is kinda weird that he kind of flipped those roles. Right. Like superman is one big thing is he never wants to co anyone even generals odd at the end of steel like he does everything has power to stop him to not kill him, but has to kill him to save other people and then like that's like fucks him up. And it's weird remnants kinda make that superman thing and not Batman thing. Like, you're trying to say true. I don't know, man. I just I just know this would have been a lot easier for Batman if he just killed the joker dark. Knight would a lot easier. But he's your other is a joke that Zach Snyder told that went around a bit as a some people took it face value think and I I thought it was real one point. But apparently it's a joke where Snyder made a comment that they consider making Martha Wayne in Martha Kent the same person and the idea is that after Martha Wayne was shot. She was put into witness protection, Kansas and became more akin. This was a joke. The people thought it was real now would've been yeah. We've been kind of riled first off if it wasn't a joke in second off. They did it, but they didn't in. It was a joke. Let me let me read another one of the quotes. He says it's a cool point of view to be like my heroes are still innocent. My heroes. Didn't fucking light America. My heroes. Didn't bells embezzle money from their corporations. My heroes didn't any atrocities. That's cool. You're living in a fucking dream world. But like, you are it's superheroes. I like I get because we've talked before there are real world things you can act. We talked about like Black Panthers of big big reason why Black Panthers because it had a lot of real world commentary and he's not wrong in some respects either. I I will say that. I don't totally disagree with his viewpoint. But like his anger and saying it is just what rubbed the wrong way. Because again, it's not your character, man. Like, it isn't you didn't make Batman like that's just not what Batman is a wonder if. Wonder if greatest showman yet? Okay. So. I I get what he's saying. That's his take on too. That's that's the curve he likes to take with superheroes. And I get that. I just feel from a what people want marketability standpoint and twenty nineteen people were kind of over that like really gritty dark, my superheroes at tortured soul type of person. Now, they want machine gun Kelly. Machine gun Kelly. They want him in the first couple minutes of the dirt make just get into some hijinks. But they the obviously the direction the DC movies are taken as more light hearted, the moral movies have always been that way. And it seems to be working. Well, that's not to say like a grittier darker take on a superhero movie can't be done again. And it hasn't been done recently like shit like Logan was really good. But I think the thing about Logan for me was like the post apocalyptic setting of that world really necessitated is character and like the choices in his feelings in the decision. He made it was a hopeless situation. And I think it all depends on the context of the movie, if you put your superhero in like overly hopeless situation than like, you really have no choice, but to kill the. Yeah. But it comes down to I think. Like going out of his way to kill an enjoyment in killing two it just the wagon the way the cared was portrayed is just something. I don't think people up, and that's that's what it was portrayed. That's fine. But it's the anger back from him that again that bothered me. And that's the same thing with Michael bail. Michael bay transformers. It's like dude you can't start making these fucking movies and then get all bothered patrol patrol daughter. Nuts. Nuts right word when when the. Yeah. Sure observance what it is. When the actual fans get mad at you. Right. Like, but you're you can make whatever you want and Mike draw. You said is a great point like I'm fine with in his world Batman killing. But justifying it that way, I'm not finding felt like it. But I'm fine with that being his portrayal, but don't go get angry about it. And like tell people wake the fuck up. And this is the character of liked for years their whole lives. Like, that's just not at all what was portrayed in the comics. Like, it just wasn't them. And did not kill in the comics. He I think that's an unfair comparison because all Michael bay. Really cared about was the Mercedes Benz logo being used side. And. Or piece too big robot? You definitely took it a Snyder ticket wants to when he had Batman teabag Ridler after blowing his brains out with a quick scope gotta say that was that was the moment for me that Batman got the Riddler up on a ledge whereas character glitched out, and he just he just cheesed him with some some quick jabs over and over until the CARA. Oh, jeez. I don't know. You can't really do that secure. Oh, I don't know if that's a secure reference or no. But we've all we've all cheesed a boss, right? When he had the Batman build the the penguin into into the storm that was my least favorite part hated the batmans Opie Zack Snyder must Nerf immediately. The battering full games of battering damage drop off now goes from forty to thirty eight. He also talked about the vendors and how he likes the vendors movies and like the characters killing that too. Because there in defense fence what about iron man, but I'm kills people as the best ironman like Tony stark killed me. First of all he made fucking weapons before he became ironman kill people for years. But so like, I I know we should on. Our guy snack side are all the time. But for that. I don't think he's wrong in some respects. But like that's always been my issue when the creators go after fans who are being reasonable. I just you know, you got to have a little sensitivity there. Even the extent with Star Wars some point except for when people go after in a way, that's not reasonable. So that sex was just up on stage. Like, okay, I'm doing superheroes. With ask me questions about legend of the guardians house of ghoul. Yes. The guardians who'll guys the legends of the guardians. The als of good who'll wait. What wait hope the als of good who'll who? Who'll who you make an L joke. You got it. The score. I mean that we could be the score is composed by David Hirschfeld in Adam young from L city. Play into that tough. God, that's amazing. Guardians of goal. Else? Think of other things the produce L thing the site used to go on his kid now the the writing lab. Yeah. Never when people would pose links on Twitter in the short would be alley. Yeah. That's right while throwback for you can post pictures. Yeah. All right. We have some quick news. It's after we gotta get into our us for people. You gotta do an address the first requ IP quip brush your teeth. Make your team nice and breath smell nights. What almost important things we do for health everyday brushing teeth that is very true, please brush your teeth pressure teeth, your gross yet. Most of us. Don't do it properly quickness of better electric toothbrush. 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Is definitely angry birds too. Confirmed that this is angry birds to trailer. You know, I it's a care. I actually care about this. Because I cannot believe we're getting a second angry birds movie and the creators of the angry birds game just have to be filthy rich off these damn birds. These dumb picks rove yo who makes it. Yeah. Yeah. It's Roggio worth. Stocks only selling at five dollars and eighty nine cents. What a steel, but that's because everybody who was involved in the first angry birds probably cashed out. It's probably true. Good point. Good point. All right. Good. Good breakdown on that very good movie and very good trailer. Can't wait to can we to review that when it comes out or the birds can be angrier? This time you think August, I am sure they will be it's not that would have been the perfect sequel title. No angrier birds instead of angry birds to it'd be like grumpy old men Grumpier old men. I'm just wondering if I can, you know by like angry birds coins at the movie and use them to buy extended like angry birds packs for the movie viewing like angry birds to did the whole downloadable content. Shit is a giant QR code at the end that you can donate for expanded Eric THEO. And that's that's really why mad at angry birds. The first one is very enjoyable. And then the second one just went overboard with me need to buy stuff in at. I get gotta make money like years, you sacrifice the base angry birds experienced for your own greed rodeo, and that's why you're stock the five dollars. Hell, yeah. Go off Ken, Jack. You have the next trailer this one, I know you're very excited for because it involves one of your favorite after's currently acting in the game. Noah's intendo I think it sent new. That's how seen people pronounce it. That could be totally wrong. Let's see one of those things you have a perfect date starring chameleon Mendez, Laura Marino who actually plays the girl who finds the dick drawings and super bad fun fact. And then Matt Walsh, you're supposed to interview the other day. We didn't have happening shutout at Walsh, mash Walsh. Yeah. And then you have a perfect date come to net. Flicks. Your favorite actor Noah centennial. He's a very good. Boy. The best thing about him is that he has the worst Twitter of all time. That's my favorite thing about him. I I actually did enjoy to all the boys of love before in no part at all to his presence in the movie whatsoever. It was all lower. Condor who did all they lifting that movie he was just there for the ride. And now after that movie came out there was a bunch of twenty five to thirty five year old women like like, basically salvation at the mouth over this kid who's like twenty one years old. It was a very creepy experience after that movie came out, and then now him this again, not a good actor terrible. Terrible Twitter guy is going to be in a ton of movies. Like this movie the perfect date, which looks totally trash absolute garbage. Like if you could have a robot like watch five ABC romantic comedies, like this is what it would make an algorithm to make its own roommate to call me, this is what it would make its lithium was to t. It looks terrible. And then also, I don't think mentioned this. But he's also been tapped to possibly play he-man. Yeah. He what the fuck short is for men. I hate he man I grew up with he man, I had he man action figures. I hate it. Not a prince Adam guy. It's so boring. I just I did like skeletal but outside of him. There's nothing really in the human universe. I liked very much. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. Yeah. Knows confused that in thunder cats 'cause snarf in cats involved. I don't know there's there's a little bit there. But yeah, just look sped a few haven't had a chance to take a look at a sit news centennial. I don't care his Twitter. Go look at it. It will make you cringe your guts out. It is awful. It's like imagine those two thousand eleven is Jane Smith's tweets where it's like, you know, the eyes of MIR's to the soul. It's like that except him talking about like, yeah. All queens are beautiful, and we must respect them. And that's it. That's so it gets. It's it's exhausting did robot chicken ever touch on whether or not that doner cats us letterboxes. I don't think I don't know that the joke. They would have done that sounds right. Had nothing to do with what you're talking about. No. I'm all for the Thunderbirds. Flush toilet. Four-star? Next up and last I guess is. We have two more things quick, Tom and Jerry, Mike Caspillo Dinka JR. Thumbs up down more who cares? Okay. Yeah. No. I don't think I think he's going to be in the movie, not as Tom or Jerry. I think I'd like him better as Jerry actually bike Jerry's the cat, right? No. Tom, Tom Tomcat? Oh, yeah. I wanna miss the cat. What about spike? That's all be it's yeah. That's going to be a Bobby kind of only. By the way, the push for Josh Gad, deployed the penguins back on their health fucking. Yeah. Just get penguin. Least we're reviewing two movies next week, and they're both apparently very good both with exactly the same score odd change damn they're both at fifty four percent arrived tomatoes one is now at fifty two percent. The fifty one percent of the fifty percent being timber Dumbo the first of three live action. Disney movies this year, which is insanely actually four because of Melissa sent in very ambitious, and then the beach bump at fifty two percent for harmony Corinne. So before we move onto our us review. Which one are you more excited to see dumb for sure? I've been I've been so down on the beach bum. You know, this you only reason people are excited about it is McConnell. Hey, and maybe Zach snack ephrons Panini here. That's about it. You got excited by promotional stills? And now you gotta deal with the movie, so joy that actually only on joy it. I think I'm more excited for beach moan because he know what's going to happen in Dumbo. Really anything could happen in beach. Mom. I don't care. I know what's going to happen. I just I you've got Danny devito Dumbo at least. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. But he has hair. So it's not the real mother. Michael Keaton doesn't sell for me like Danny devito does though. He's been in like what a couple of timber movies. And apparently is always played a circus master and everything Tim Burton's ever done with the last time. Tim Burton's made a good move. He was a big is. If you consider big is a good movie. Maybe okay. Let's let's strike big from that went the last time timbers may seat. Erica. We're gonna go down the list the adjustment bureau at the last good when he made. Mispaid winds home for children Alice the looking glass big eyes, Franken weenie breaking weenie was good animated movies are typically pretty good. Yeah. Dark shadows was bad. Oh that was so bad Allison wonderland. I didn't like Sweeney. Todd doesn't seven was good. Corbo ride on trial in chocolate factory was not a good movie. No big fish was good. Yeah. Big fish was good Mars attacks. I like Mars attacks. I don't think that the hot take. With Allison wonderland. Good. I don't remember seeing that. I I didn't like it at all. I blinked it from a member dismembered. Not thinking anything about it. I did like mom with Jeff. I like Mars attacks monster taxes, very good nineties fund. Yes. Somebody random good actors in that some that weren't famous at the time veto. It was Jack black at the time. I don't think it was that big either. Can't man this cat Jack Nicholson Glenn Close bending Pierce Brosnan Martin short surgical Parker. Michael J, FOX Natalie Portman, Jim Brown. You had Jack flack, Danny devito? Ray Jay was in it. Crony Jones, Christina Applegate. Yep. What kiss just goes on? And on that. What did I learn Tom Jones was Welsh my world was turned upside down? What did you think? He was those American. No, dude got that. Big booming voice little lounge singer crooner dude thought he was American. What's new pussycat? We're just from Liverpool. I'm telling Jones. Sex bump, your my sex Bom. I love that song. Visit. Yeah. Beach Dumbo where we review in those next week can't say particular excited for either of them. But. Full say, you never know. We've we've been surprised before. I liked Valerian. Maybe like the beach. Bo I I'll be shocked if I like double I don't like the original Dumbo. So that's a tough one for me to go on before news. Could I could I end with something? Sure. I just want to give a big L CB Elsie P birthday. Shout out to Nathan Fillion are Canadian dump thick boy dummy thick mazing. Yes. Wolf also, great boys. Very good voice. Love is voice is in big mouth. When he voices the dog. I could immediately say it was really him. And not in Prussian is so identifiable some reason. Disa- disappointed. I love mar dummy Vic king. What's what's what's he got going on? He's going to be rain of the he's going to be direct voice. DVD reign of the superman movie. L Jordan green lantern. He's too busy already with his show the rookie. He loves TV. I'll give it to that guy. He loves his TV. There might end up being a what do you call it on charted movie like they did the short movie, which is actually pretty good like a ten minute Nathan around charted movie, those decent than they apparently thought about making a movie again for the fifty thousand time. But I wouldn't hate seeing that he's been in multiple halo games. Yeah. He was a book at thanking odious. See, right. Is that what you like halo so much because it has. It might be that up weeks, but so did master chief. So it's pushing that area. Doubled cheeked up. On the Thursday afternoon. We have to get into an ad read. Trebol leave you have in possession. Yeah. You should have it. I sent in the group Chadema nego- trill. You got I do like I said, you can send you something real quick to do. Jeff quick. Sure. Did you see this? Cute. Pose it, which I think they're progressively getting blurrier and blurrier. All right. You ready to do this? Yeah. Are you a semi library? Okay. Suffer from busting too fast. One in every four Jedi. Master does time order has descended upon. Luckily, a cure. There is. What if I told you there is a way to inhale, the chemical instantly? Gnomes your Kokkinos if interested you are tried my new Dutch masters. It goes directly into the bloodstream unlike conventional methods Levy lightsaber shutting brighter for longer. 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But first and foremost, unlike get get out, he was making a movie do fish this genre of Hort, the synopsis us. A mystery thriller, though, I would refer to it as a horror movie, accompanied by your husband's son and daughter Adelaide Wilson returns, the beachfront home where she grew up as a child haunted by traumatic experience from the past Adelaide grows. Increasingly concerned that something bad is going to happen. Her worst fear soon. To become a reality. When four masked strangers descend upon the house forcing the Wilson to a fight for survival. When the masks come off the families horrified to learn that each attacker takes the appearance of one of them. They're one of one of themselves. Mirrored image is basically, this is a very tough movie to talk about without spoiling things. So we will give quickly off the top are score as quick of a thought as possible. And then we'll jump into spoilers. This is directed by Jordan Peele written by Jordan Peele a blunt house production. It was it was a produced by Jason Blum distributed. By Universal Pictures was this was a blunt house production, right? Was the plummets. I know Jason Blum produced or was a producer right Plum house affiliated okay blowouts affiliate. Yeah. Monkey pop reductions. Okay. You're right. Tangent. Universal attributed regardless Jason Blohm involved because Jason Bouma's his hand in everything at this point. Which is as we've talked about many times while the impresses the PD. Dion goes in this Winston Duke moss, shout, the hijacker yob duo Matinez in this. We recently talked about him when aquaman and. Yep. So yeah, us this is a I wanna say device it, but it's a very it's a movie that is causing a lot of people have conversations about it. And that fucking rules because it's not a movie that is controversial in the fact that people are bitching and moaning and debating things just debating what they think about the movie and how they read into it. And how they viewed it this lived up to my expectations. I was very into this moving. I loves movie I need to see it probably four or five more times. Is it as good as get out? I hate that comparison. But that's just how we're gonna have to do this because it's Jordan Peele. No, I don't like as much as get out. However, I still give it a very high score. I think Jordan Peele is unbelievable. What he does his ability to execute a script in another idea is flawless. There is a few things that I think I would have changed maybe. And I think we'll probably all gonna agree on that. But he executes everything he goes out there and tries to. Do and it plays out perfectly. Like there there really are no bumps in terms of how the movie plays out how it's paste. And how the story hits all beats. I gave it a ninety three to one hundred. That's two notches below get out thought that was slightly better. Be before. This was a horrible movie one of those hormones version. It's it's just it's very fucking good. I absolutely loved us tro balls. I agree with you on a lot of things. I I'm gonna break from my normal convention and also give it a ninety three his wanna give it more than ninety. But I also would peg get out at around ninety five and I didn't like it as much, but I didn't like it that much less than get out. So it's just no it's it's tough to follow up on get out because that was such a brilliant film. This is brilliant too. I thought Jordan Peele and the marketing behind this movie in the lead up behind this movie. Played it up very well. In terms of not getting our expectations up too much. 'cause I I never expected it to be as good as get out because I think get out was just a phenomenon, but what we got like Jeff said was more of a horror movie it was from a production standpoint. And again, I hate talking about like cinematography techniques because I am the least qualified person to do that. I loved him in this movie. It was very visually pleasing. The lighting was great a lot of horror movie suffer from being too dark. This one was very dark, but it served a purpose. I liked the characters I liked the I like the first twist. We'll talk about that a little more and the rest of the movie, I thought was was good it stumbled near the end I thought and overall that might have lowered a little bit. But I I really enjoyed it. And also there's a lot there's a lot. That's more open for interpretation in this movie than there is with get out. And. You know, I don't enjoy that anymore less. But I do think it's different because I think you can form your own opinion on a lot of things. And maybe what they mean. And maybe what the symbolism is for certain things and somebody else could have a completely different take. Yeah. I totally agree with that as well. You guys hit a lot of the points that I had written down one of the big things. I want to note is that according to FOX office Mo-jo. This is the second largest opening ever for a live action original movie to say that that's one that's not based on existing intellectual property, and like guess what? Number one is on that list. Action live action original movie, that's not based on existing original intellectual property. Get out. This is number avatar avatar only beat it up couple million dollars, and it cost. I think like like three hundred million dollars more to make which is insanity. And that's just a credit to how the how faster and peels grinding up in the ranks right now in billion being able to build his height machine for the horror and suspense Jonah's Duprey sheet him coming out off the bat all during the movie's opening weekend, just saying extrap-. This isn't get out of this isn't like suspense. We this is a straight up or flip. And like, you know, that sort of gives people more of an idea of what to expect going into it. Do you remember Jeff sort of when I saw Dunkirk ahead of you expecting a film, maybe somewhat somebody like saving private Ryan. And I was just told you like don't go in expecting that. Because that's not what this is all that's kind of what I that. Jordan Peele tweeting that was to me because I was expecting maybe more suspense with a core elements, but no fought horror knowing that going in Duffy helped me with this movie. I found it extremely well acted and beautifully shot not just relative to the horror genre. But. For any genre. It's like you said trove cinematography was absolutely fantastic. And you can see a lot of improvements in Jordan peels game. Which is awesome. She is a fan of his because it's almost like seeing a player your team drafted at an element to their game or something. So Mike you you'll see him at on like a tracking shot like oh shit. Like that looks awesome. That's something. He didn't have in the last movie. And it's it's fun to see in. You guys mentioned. There's some interesting tax takes on a class which are opening interpretation Citra like one person could take away some of the stuff with the we'll get into more with like, oh, this is about nature versus nurture. Another personal be like, oh, this is about class battle. It really. Is it DIGOS person to person? And I think that is a fantastic thing to have people walk away from your movie with and I if it gets misused the ending, but we'll we'll talk about that more little