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Sherri Martel

Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard

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Sherri Martel

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Yeah busy in our paperhanger there you go and and may have been burned if both ends when we're finally able to hook up and get together. We have wanted to do this topic for a long time. And this is the day Sherri Martel baby on something to wrestle. Fired up about. Today's episode Bruce Guy Motive for Sherry. Just saying I voted for sharing a deep cut. If you're not sure we're talking about over dot com click on t shirts. You'll see what time it came down to a nail biter between Vince Russo Sherri Martel. And of course tons of controversy stirred up anytime you talk about through so his fan base mobilized and things were said and became a whole thing online and I said God damn. Don't blame me. I voted for Sherry. We've made it a shirt and now all these years later we're finally getting to talk about the late. Great Sherri Martel. I'm excited in this one. We should mention the reason we were planning on covering this one. Last week I was last Saturday. Was her birthday. She was born February. Eighth Nineteen fifty eight New Orleans and her and her mom started going to Gulf coast championship wrestling around nineteen seventy two and she just very quickly fell in love with the sport and decided she wanted to be a wrestler when she was sixteen she met. Grizzly. Smith the father of Jake Roberts Sam Houston and Rockin Robin and sure. He asked him to get her in the business and he told her to come back when she was twenty one and she ended up going home to join the circus. She's living in Memphis. Nineteen seventy eight or hand a local bar where the wrestler name. Sweet Daddy Lions and. He's turned a wrestling school. Ran By butch Monroe and she said that she went to see Bush and his office with five hundred dollars and told him she wanted to be a wrestler and she says he got up from his desk walked over to her and slapped her across the face she said is that all you've got and signed her up and she's in school for about a year and a half So an interesting way to get in the business. She talked to you about going to wrestling school. In this crazy I experience you know. Share it talk to you about her early days because Sherry was one of those talent that it truly had a passion. There it wasn't about. I WanNa be a star or I want to travel the world and make millions and millions of dollars it was about. She loved the essence of the business and she wanted to be a part of it and I think she was willing you know even before she realized what it was going to take she was willing to pay the price and she was willing to do whatever it took to get into the business so she was tough anyway and somebody slapping her shares would gonNA DETER. But she just wanted she just wanted to be in and around rustling in to get in the ring and become a wrestler that was her drain. That that's what it boils down to. It wasn't about really anything else so she she wanted to fight. She was tough and she wanted to prove anybody the cross her path. By God's she wasn't going to be denied talk to me a little bit about wrestling schools. These days wrestling schools feel and look a lot different. You know from from a you guys perspective there's Inex- T and you guys take. You know someone with absolutely no wrestling experience and Polish them up and teach them the WWF am and bona fide superstars. But that wasn't always the way to go in. There wasn't a wwe school back. In this era you had to go through more traditional sort of old school wrestling school in the late seventies early eighties. What did that look like? Oh God there were. There were no traditional wrestling schools so to speak there would be guys from time to time. That would have a gym in a barn or a gym in a in a ring in a garage. Jim In a barn a ring and a garage barn somewhere or even in their backyard that they would charge people to come in and the extent of the school. A lot of times was. Let me blow these people up and let me put them through these ungodly cardio drills and training drills so that they never ever. WanNa come back again You know refund Not Available No refund deposit not refunded so in the day. The wrestling school was nothing. Like what we have today. And you know Jay. Pwa Jacobs Pritchard Wrestling Academy in Knoxville. Tennessee is an actual wrestling school. Where they teach you everything and they teach you the fundamentals of the wrestling business and they teach you how to conduct business. Not just get in the ring and take bumps and a cup. Here's a couple of moves kid. Get on your way so there were a lot of commerce or a lot of guys you know there were for example. When we were kids went Nick Kovacs Record Company and in the garage of the wrecker service. There was a ring set up in the corner. One two sides wall one side was Placed actually get into the ring and the fourth side was actually were. They change the oil for the tow trucks. So if you took a bump on that side it was pretty damn big bomb We were fortunate enough to have knit. Take Liking to us and allow us to go in there and trained and that's where. Tom got the majority of his training. So I think Sherry was just looking for anything and for women in particular during those years. No no guy wanted to train a woman be wrestler few onto that. I you know aggo fine. Go find some broad teach you but they would take their money for sure. And that's certainly not going to happen. You know with Jay. Pwa THEY'RE NOT GONNA take profited from an slap across the face. Tell everybody how they could go train with doctor. Tom and Glenn Jacobs well check them out online. Jp W A WRESTLING DOT com. And it's going to be trained by the same guy that trained the rock. You're going to be trained by the same guy that trained Kurt Angle Mark Henry. Vince McMahon the list on and on and on of the amount of talent that Tom Prichard my brother. Yes I am. Partial his trained and brought up through the ranks and he for many years. Would I yeah? But you know they had it. I'm like yeah. They had it but they didn't know what to do with it until they got to him. And that's what you want a new training facility and in my opinion Jay. Pwa Knoxville Tennessee is the premier wrestling academy. And then there's also you know reality arrested in Texas City Texas Booker T. Runs those two. I'm not disparaging anyone else those two. I've actually been to and spend a lot of time around in no that they teach the fundamentals and they teach you what to do. Not just what to do but why you do it and they actually teach you how to feel which is very important in this business. It's worth mentioning that You know there's tons of great schools out there but these are to that that you can personally endorse That you feel good about recommending so if you're listening to this show and you'd like to pursue your dream the same way Sherri Martel dead. Be SURE TO CHECK OUT J. P. W. A. I mean Dr. Tom and Glenn Jacobs King come on We should mention when Cherries Twenty one. She meets up again with Drizzly Smith and winds up calling Moolah as you said was Trained in the broads and then sharing winds up moving to Columbia South Carolina to go to wrestling school. She's there for about six months and she's trained by Moolah and Donna Christon Elo. She's training every morning. And then they take a break and then they'd work every evening and she says during training Moolah had her work mostly as a baby face oh Sherry learned how to take moves but also give some as well and our training consisted of mostly taking bumps which is obviously very critical. Part when you're young person learning The BIZ and. She says the best advice mule ever gave her was to save money and stay away from the boys. Don't go out with the boys. Don't date the boys and keep your private life away from the wrestling business a lot to unpack here. But how important do you think that advice is too young person getting in the business today to keep your private life away from the wrestling business extremely important? Here's here's the catch. Twenty two to that when you are in the business The people that you travel with become your family. And that's when you're in a different city every night. You're you mean new people and but you move it on the constants in your line for those you travel with and work with so it's Kinda difficult to not dabble in that. Like if you will because that's what you're around all the time however if you can separate You need to separate and I do think that that's the best advice I could ever give. Anyone is yes. I agree with that one hundred percent and save your money in his not GonNa last forever and that was the old timers man. The old timers that made it and saved it. That was their first bit of advice. I don't care if you make you only make fifteen dollars a night lease put five of away well and some of that. You probably speak from personal experience. Where your first round? W W you probably assumed this shit will never end you know plans change POW and obviously your store has a different happy ending. But that's not always the case for a lot of folks right now and you think that you're making so much money that it's never going to end and I'll get around to putting some way but I'm making so much it really matter it becomes it becomes like monopoly money and you just think okay well. That's the trains. Never GonNA stop. Never GonNa keep right on going and then when it does. It's a very rude awakening to go from tens of thousands of dollars a week to nothing so that that's why you want to just take the majority of that tens of thousands of dollars a week and put it away speak to Moolah as a trainer you know we've talked about Moolah here on the show She obviously you know as a as a lightning rod for controversy depending on. He asked some absolutely loved her somehow. Two different experience But as a trainer someone who could observe the talent and work with the ladies that she actually trained with or she trained What was her reputation? You know from from your perspective as a trainer tough tough and even talking to Sherry. Remember Sheri's memories of Moolah were tough and the model used to beat the shit out of her. It was to toughen her up and it was to prepare her for life on the road and for sometimes going out not knowing what to expect but Moolah would try to prepare them for any and every obstacle that could come come. Their Way Sherry was was tough. Moolah was tougher and Moolah was very hard on those that were training with her that she fell had potential to actually make it and make it to the same type of spot that Moolah hit enjoyed all those years so the better you were the more the harder Moolah was on you. An accident eighty one that with since Sherry on a tour of Japan and she also takes the name Sherri Martel and when she comes back from Japan she goes to work in Memphis and that's where she begins wrestling with Jim Cornell as her manager and I think Sherry may have actually been one of the first wrestlers maybe first wrestler that that Cornell ever actually managed so nice. Little footnote in history When did you first see Sherri Martel? When did you first meet Sherri Martel? I didn't meet Sherry until the the mid eighties coming through. And I think she'd come through during The watts time and mid south for a run and I met her a few times. There and Sherry was one of those that got on the radar. Okay here's a new female wrestler that you WanNa take note of the fact that she was young that was different the fact that she was much prettier than some of the little more mature female wrestlers that were on the circuit that helped as well so sherry immediately kinda caught the eye and caught the attention of people then that Dan Bell rang and Sheikh actually knew what the hell she was doing. She had a bit of an awkwardness tour. But it was the the early mid eighties was the first time that I cross pass with Sherry. Couldn't have been nicer to. While she's working in the south she also manages the Tame of Pat Rose and doctor. Tom Prichard of course back. Danny wasn't the Doctor. But that one of your brothers first managers. Sherri Martel yet in that relationship. You know carried on for many many years where they were friends because that was the first opportunity for Sherry to be in a different role other than wrestling and she was used as a not. A stereotypical female manager because she could bump and she could work and she better most of the guys and they're always wasn't a plethora of women wrestlers during those days for her work with and especially get any variety. So you would. Have you had the women in the midgets? That's how the the card Easter re The King Jerry Lawler vs Plow. Boy Frazier the midnight. Express versus the rock and roll. Plus PUS MIDGETS IN GIRLS. That was the billing so they were almost like a side. So side sorry Mahfud petite the fallen out again all that. Shit people for years. It's been the worst teeth life of my life. Teeth live my life the worst year. I mean Goddamn it this is fucking you know what I meant. Do and it's funny yesterday. I sneezed and they came out in the middle of a meeting with fence. Right which has got to be hysterical. I talk to you about this No that was last week in the middle of a meeting with this. Were last week in the middle of a meeting with vans of sitting there and I like you feel something in your mouth and you try to talk in. It's not right you know. You're the fucking words need your teeth or loosen. I started cussing up a storm. He's like what the Hell's wrong with you I'm talking to. Mit came out of my mouth. So then I was pissed off to red eye back Got It put it in on Saturday morning and then Yesterday morning which would have been whatever the fuck day. That was our sneezing in the morning. When I got up and I felt something. Hit My hand. Then you hear the mother fucker much came out again. Couldn't find the cadet on my hands and knees fucking crawling all over the kitchen floor and I know you know not the funny part about me with a missing tooth. Probably the funniest part was beginning down and trying to get up from the kitchen floor. Oz fucking pissed. Are You K- PISS? Carolinas records still feels loose is going to be loose because this is to teach that they worked on his. And it's got the fucking post in it. But they stripped post off God. Damn I won't say brand-new rented play. She says now more way. 'cause I'm ready Fucker? We talking about ladies and gentlemen. You wanted to know what we had a best of last week. There you go. What the fuck this is. Bruce prichard shell out of a cannon within. This is my thought this but this is daily this walking daily like you and I. We started this guy what you don't WanNa talk to me now. One doctor I talked to you but usually I like talk to you at the end of the thing. Like if you ever actually have a couple of fucking minutes now that noises coming out of a God damn phone the way we should mention before we get too far down the road. Please Watch smackdown tonight on Fox Sherry is in a battle. Royal Four hundred fifty pound plow boy. Stan frazier known as Uncle Elmer in the WF mid eighties falls on her leg and breaks it. A very bad injury keeps her away from wrestling for like two years. You ever hear about this. Horrific incident where The plow boy broke her leg and put her on the shelf for two years from. Yeah from her and actually from Tom and it was. She was pissed. She was just fucking pest Because in those days it wasn't a pension no promoter certainly not jerry. Jarrett is GonNa take care of talent while they're injured on the side. Make sure that they still are able to feed themselves and take care of themselves so it was a rough time for Sherry with this injury because it wasn't anything else she could do off out recovering she moves to New York. Even accompanies playboy. Buddy rose a few times. When he's challenging Bob backend for the world title and she wasn't referred to by name or anything like that was very brief but she was one of Buddies Rosebud which is what he called the women that walked to the ring with him at the time and then an eighty five the visco helped her get into the AWA and Larry goes was Sherry to meet with. Burn and Jerry says without Larry doing that she probably wouldn't have got shot in the AWA. Of course the AWA ran by. Ganja you ever hear any stories From from Sherry but working in the AWA with burn jaded Vern Sherry hated burn. I it's funny. The remember. Spend the assessment a lot of time with share traveled with Sherry and it was news unique said least but I. I don't know that there were many promoters. With the exception events that Sherry really liked him and I don't know if it was because first of all the the old timers like vern hat damn women in a wrestling ring. What the fuck is that That was four. It was four and two vern but he looked down his nose at. It didn't feel that that they were anything. More than a side. Attraction in Sherry was so much more than a great worker. She enhanced whoever you put her wish she could talk and she could bring up whoever she was around. And the valets. If you will that accompany guys to the ring. During this timeframe most of them didn't work most similar. The girlfriends of of whoever missy high was johnny tatum's girlfriend later on Gilbert Dark jury came in as Dick. Slater's girlfriend then they you'll more from there but Sherry was unique Sherry was worker. That became a manager in Valais. That could do it all the talk that could work and go out there and knew how to get heat and loved getting heat so for Verdon. That was foreign to him. I'm not sure that verve fully knew how to utilize Sheri's talents because by this time you know Verne is looking at the business as that. Goddamn McMahon is is coming in and trying to take my territory in and This is wherever the hell. He thought he lived that only he was allowed to run in. Minneapolis and Chicago and Denver and the markets that he deemed he was allowed to run in and no one else does not America so that was vern mindset at the time and this was during a time when he was trying to just hold on what he had in his idea of non on what he had was law. Go take events. Where did you meet her? The first time I met Verne was in nineteen eighty one when Verne came not spoken affirm maybe one or two times on the phone It the office with ball. Bosch Saverne came down for Paul Boschetti. Fiftieth Anniversary Tournament and as C. Infamous Evan Johnson story with Dick Slater were Emma Johnson shooter from Minnesota and got the ring with Dick Slater and tried to shoot on Dickey and did shoot on Dickey and Dick wish reason. Dick Burke booked himself with Evan was to protect Evan. Give Evan A match. 'cause Evan was green grass but Evan just thought Dick was trying to bury him and wouldn't wouldn't cooperate and then later on ended up with the slater slap the Shit Outta Bevan backstage in the locker room but that was I met. Verne was during that event. Vern came down. It was a three day tournament and burn came in and Nicest be man as legendary Vern Ganja but I think that Verne Verne was one of those guys you believed his own shit. Im- vern could be one hundred years old and the way that he was selling. Well let's go. Let's go fight was go outside? Double tough guy amateur wrestler Olympian and a bully. I think a lot of people saw vernice bully. Verne also was one of the greatest trainers of all time. I mean he the level of talent that came out of that camp. Good God if you could survive that much less come out of it and be able to walk. You had to be in pretty damn good shape and you had to be somebody that had the passion and the drive to do it. So Verne was good in that way. But by nineteen eighty five. I think it was slipping away from him. And Burn was in state of constant paranoia and the stamp kid coming in his backyard and running his his towns mention while she's a part of the AWA. She's managing buddy rose and Doug somers and they win the world tag team titles. They had a very famous feud against the midnight rockers. Mardi Jannati and a man that Sherry would manage seven years later when he first gets his big break. A singles wrestler The incomparable Shawn Michaels. Man The buddy rose and Doug somers bloody match with the midnight. Rockers became a tape trading classic. You ever see that match. Yes I have. And this was a period floor buddy. Buddy was kind of in the twilight of his career. If you will the swim buddy started getting really heavy. And but he just wouldn't one the buddy rose of all. Do you know the buddy rose in the Pacific north northwest now Portland Seattle that area working for Don owns and buddy could fly. He was a big guy. He was not great Shea but the son of a bitch could cut a promo. You would not believe real name. Paul Per Sherman had broken under Verne and he had gone on. And you go back in the real early eighties. And he was flying around. Lear jets and limousines is a shoot living the gimmick a playboy buddy rose and nobody could nobody could touch him in now thou was kind of his career. He had He'd probably smelled most of his career. Go Away and buddy needed help. Doug somers big I but a journeyman. Doug was never going to be a main event or anywhere and Doug couldn't cut a promo to save his life my opinion but the teen like Buddy help. Doug and Doug held buddy but sherry made them complete because Sherry could the promos Sherry when the one much going on in the Ring Sherry was making sure the shit going on outside of the ring. She could bomb. She could fly and she could make baby face. Look like a million bucks feel like a million bucks if you sleep on a Purple Mattress. 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She also has an opportunity to manage. Kevin Kelly is going to go on to be nails and the WWF. I gotTa tell you. I had no idea that they had any sort of relationship until I started research on the show. She ever tell you any stories about Nails not really sure. I want to say that he will. He was one of my favorite people but he what one of her favourite people and she did whatever she was asked to do. But here's this guy with the dark brown skin bleach blond hair and look like a gazillion dollars. But boy unfortunate bell rang and there wasn't a whole lot there to to write home about so I don't think Sherry saw whole lot in a future with Kevin Walk holds because it just wasn't even all of the bumping in the world and all the best promos in the world weren't going to help her in that situation with that package. Let's keep it moving here. Let's talk about Super Clash September twenty eighth nineteen eighty five. She Defeats Candy. Divide to win the Awa Women's title. Then they flip flop. The title a handful of times October fourteenth then October seventeenth and then on January sixteenth nineteen eighty-six and then we finally see Sherry win it for the third and final time. June twenty eight nineteen eighty-six at the battle of the Bay while she's the champ. She's got several matches with a newcomer to the Biz. Medusa set Micheli is going to go on to become a lender ablaze and the WWF. It's pretty cool to go back and see some early Awa matches was Sherri Martel and Medusa. I don't think a lot of people may have even known those matches existent no. It was one of the Times that Sherry was really now this somebody that. Sherry's looking at that. She could work with actually. Have a program in take around Sherry thought very highly of Medusa and her work and looked at Medusa is someone that could take her career even a higher height in the ring in a working ability. And of course we know what's coming soon Even though Sherri is the Awa women's champion she's working without a contract. Verne's trying to sign a long term contract but she won't sign it because they're offering her father hundred dollars a week. Vince McMahon. Here he comes. He's my into a living taking wrestlers from Verne. Ganja shining them up making them superstars he does the same thing with Share here at one day. Sheer is doing a celebrity golf deal. And Jesse Ventura's there Jesse asser. Why don't you go work for Vince? And she says no one's called me and she didn't think she was experienced enough to make the jump fast forward a few months. She gets a call from BLACKJACK. Lanza telling. Her events wants to talk to her. The next morning. The call was made Vince schedules. The meeting Jerry said. She waited two weeks before she gave. Vince answer then. She accepts and gives Varner two week. Notice you're pretty new to the company when Sherry comes in. What are your memories of how Martell wound up joining the company and is it true? That Jesse Ventura help get the ball rolling. At least from your recollection. Margaret my recollection. Yeah I think it was. It was Jesse or PAT through Jesse. Somehow who had seen cherry work and Vince and seeing her work and liked her work I remember very very early on and when I say very early on. I'm talking like him one of our first few meetings. Vince asked me if I knew who Sherry was. And what kind of experiences I'd had with Sherry. He had heard that she was trouble. And he heard that You know she was little rowdy. And what have you and my experiences with Sherry. Were always good. She just was really nice. Shoes Lotta Fun. But she could go and I was strictly looking at it from that aspect and I don't know that specially at that point in my career with wwe that my opinion is going to matter that much anyway. But I knew early on that they had been talking. Vince was interested in bringing her in so Do you think that it would work if she were the champion? And we actually were able to get more women in if we made Sherry champion. Because I don't think Moolah and her age is going to be able to travel the way that we would like to travel and the way that we would like to get the women's championship out there. So you know. Times are changing and Sherry. Had part of the bid part of Sherry coming in at the time was Sherry had left the the clutches of Moolah if he will because Sheri had gone out on her own and when Moolah book you Moolah got her percentage no that was that was Mulas deal. She trained you silent. You know ahead of time. When you go to work moves GONNA get a percentage of your pay will sherry broke away from Moolah and was doing her own bookings and doing stuff with Verne with everybody else and Sherry was afraid to come back into the fold with Moolah because she had broken away from Moolah INVINCI- shared her that you know look Lille's to hold a grudge and got them together and they were fine. And what have you but Yeah I I'm a I heard about it and I thought that she would be a great addition to the roster of course when she comes in the half to vacate the Awa Women's title never officially loses it. Medusa winds up winning it from Candi Devine Poor Candy July Twenty Fourth Nineteen Ninety seven right after Sherry joins the company. She defeats the Fabulous Moolah to win. The women's title. Cherry has said that they didn't always see eye to eye on things but they had mutual respect for each other in hindsight ahead to be an interesting thing. You know she's Sort of running women's wrestling forever so feels okay. Did you drop another tooth? The hell was that. I don't know something fell. Was that also tooth? You should check the floor. Hang on Jack Jack Tooth. Check to check got it got it okay. There we go. Now we're back fabulous moolah interesting personality. She's ran women's wrestling for a long time. Now she's After being the top dog really with no competition anywhere inside she's asked to put over Sherri Martel here. How'd that go over? Well it went over. Well you know. I think that the the best part of the match was the strapping young baby phase. Play by play Guy What I was listening I mean he. I was very good looking very dynamic. Probably well podcast. Jonah we're talking about Eric. Bischoff who Eric Bischoff. He's very good-looking. Oil and podcast talking now. No no no he was with Awa. Thakur's was Tony. Shivani who me the fat guy. That doesn't know what to Taylor is. Why are you talking about Michael Hayes like that Michael Taylor's this shit now not all of it but at least his pants? Let's keep it moving here after winning the title. Hey on so Aside from the great play by play on that Moolah move was cool. Moolah had zero problem dropping the title Sherry however when Sherry showed up and Moulis opinion she was. She wasn't in top notch shape and she didn't look like some lawn was getting the torch passed. Heard be able to go on to the next level well. And after that she's working with rock and Robin and it's just weird. How all of this sort of ties together. She's the daughter of Grizzly Smith. The Guy who helps here getting the business that we talked about earlier even though there's a women's title in Nineteen Ninety seven there's not a lot of women in the division Sherry ever put in a good word for any other female wrestlers like Medusa. She did good work for Medusa at the time and I think that Medusa was pretty well set in the Awa and I don't think that she was looking to make a move and I want to say that during this time was like the first. The first time Medusa hit started going to Japan as well so that was an attractive thing for her but you know Sherri Sherri one to work Sherry wanted to work in the rain Sherry wanted to manage Sherry just wanted to work and be involved and make as much money as she could so she was always on the lookout for any new opponents and people that could come in to spice it up for but it was a different time in the business as well for our company to have more than two full time. Women Rustler's it just wasn't feasible. It wasn't something that you looked at and said okay. Hey we've got a roster here than there was no roster she had your female champion and then you had opponents for from time to time and maybe doing angle. Maybe you do something. But it was the attraction of C. You know come see the women. Oh my God wait women wrestle. They can vote. What the Hell's going on here by God? Burn here Loyd blaming actually rational Sherry makes debut at the first survivor series nineteen eighty-seven she's teaming with the women's tag champions. The Glamour Girls Judy Martin Lawn and dawn. Marie and Donna Kherson Allo. They took on the Fabulous. Moolah the jumping bomb angels and Internet Favorite Velvet McIntyre and rock and Robin in the Math Sherry eliminates rock and Rahman before Kraken Robin Not Rahman. It'd be funny though before being eliminated by Velvet McIntyre interesting. Decision haven't McIntyre Eliminate Sherry. I mean she's the She's the women's champion. She's getting eliminated. And so I guess that sets up a bunch of House show matches and it does. She's working with rock and Robin and Velvet McIntyre on the loops afterwards and somewhere around this time she gets another piece of business and this is probably the first time I saw her she starts accompanying the Honky. Tonk man drinks as peggy sue rocking the poodle skirt and a wig and glasses. Whose idea is a half Sherry. Be Peggy Sue who probably will be debated forever. I think it was a cross between Jimmy. Hart and Pat Patterson to just add a little bit too Sherry. Was there on the cards anyway. And it was something else for Sherry to do and the best part about it is is not everybody in in fact very few knew that it was Sherri Martel. Do the Peggy Sue Gimmick. So she would do double duty a lot of times that the Iranian she would go out and work SHERRI MARTEL. Then she'd come back and be peggy sue or vice versa. There any long term plans for peggy sue or was it just an off. The cuff idea. Didn't last very long. I know it was. It was just something do ans- honky tonk man. And I forget who honky was a program with time but it was a way to just one more tool for honky. To use in his matches was a fun. Little look for sure October. Seven nine hundred ninety eight Paris France. Rockin Robin would defeat Sherry to win the women's title and she would hold it until it was eventually phased out in February of nineteen ninety. Of course we know by that time. Shares off to the races in a managerial capacity. But why was the decision made to Sort of do away with women's wrestling in that era. The large talent pool of women wrestlers to draw from. So it's you can continue to. You can continue the division but it's just GonNa be the same people over and over again so there wasn't anything really choose from to freshen up that division so you really didn't have a division. You had a belt. Yes some of the war. That belt beyond that there wasn't a whole lot to it We don't see a whole ton of of Sherry on TV for awhile elements. She's working rematches on how shows And then finally you know when we see Wrestlemania five come to a conclusion Sherry is GonNa Confront Elizabeth and during an interview leading to a confrontation between the two. Savage would repeatedly threatened to hit Elizabeth. Of course Hogan comes to her aid. Sherry then attack. Hope from behind and He holds Holt by his hair while randy. It's in the chest with a chair and now Sherry is managing randy. This is an interesting little turn of events. We know behind the scenes Randy savage is the real life husband of Miss Elizabeth and is super overprotective of Miss Elizabeth. And they've been traveling duo and in a in a pair for a long long time to see him with a different woman certainly a different look especially when you know sort of the behind the scenes dynamic between the two. Whose idea was this. How did Sherry feel about it and most importantly how did Randy feel about being with another woman on camera it? I I think it was a little weird for everyone. I know it was intimidating for Sherry because of the relationship between Sherry. I mean between Elizabeth and Macho man so for Sherry. Yeah I was a little intimidating working with randy because randy could be pretty intense. However once they started working together they immediately clicked and Randy saw the potential of what he could do with Sherry that he could never do with Liz from the bumping and being able to use her in matches and now randy had a whole brand new tool in his arsenal and it was a human bump machine is someone that people genuinely didn't like and she had heat man she could work and she could tell stories so that was a great package. It end being able to work with with Liz in that and continue the story. It was a natural. I think that when you look at the anti antithesis man of Elizabeth immediately you're GONNA go right to Sherri Martel. I think it's the TV taping. Were brother love. He'll the guy and laid hands on Guy Wheelchair TV taping here in Huntsville. Where Liz with Tail Sherry? You're going to be working with Randy and Sherry asks Liz. How do you feel about that? And Are you comfortable with Liz? She is and that she trusts her with Randy. How was their real life relationship absolutely closes? I mean really as close as you could get. They the dynamic there I mean Sherry became she kind of became a puff. O and they all they all got along they all Sherry. Did her thing. Radian LIZ did their thing. So it wasn't like a It was but it was good in that Randy let Sherry in and gave her the freedom to do her character into her shit and for Randy said before. It's a new tool. It's something he can use at more than he can add to his arsenal. I'll throw you Sherry Sharyo. Get some heat on you. Bow Miss Sherrie takes bump. It's another spot in an in. Those are always things that he never could do with Liz so it was an exciting time for them and and Sherry teaches business. She went out. Did her shit went on. I think it's worth mentioning. Moolah had occasionally managed some people randomly here there. I think it might be my opinion. That share is the first full time female. He'll manager that we see up to this point. I mean when Liz's managing rainy and he's a he'll she's never really getting involved doing anything she's always sort of a sympathetic baby face is Sherry. The first he'll female manager. Wow I don't know I mean I think you could throw in make an argument for Missy Hyatt dark journey meaning the Dugan Sunshine to be clear I'm saying in World Wrestling Federation. Yes yes definitely when Randy Goes ONTO TO BEAT JIM. Duggan to become the king of the WWF. Of course sheree starts to become known as a Queen Sherry and the fans would sometimes nickname her scary sherry. I think official name Insatiable Sherry but Fans and and and baby face commentators on. Tv referred her scary Sherry different incarnations of the character and through this period she starts to innovate a little bit. Change up her look not just her outfits which obviously when she's the queen but go way over the top and it's probably Probably a tall ask even for female performer. To keep up with the macho man because he was such a stickler for details and the little particulars when he would have crazy outfit changes and when he was committed to the Gimmick and he would invest in his wardrobe and she to sort of play the part. So she's got to keep up with that right well. Sherry was already playing the part before that Sherry was doing the same thing in very attention to detail very much so so to pair her with Randy. We did that. There wouldn't be a conflict in that way that Sherry would be able to keep up. She wouldn't rest on her laurels and is outlandish is randy got sharee was right there with him and constantly changing her look constantly reinvesting in her outfits and doing the crazy makeup and all that. Shit. That's what made her so damn special. And if you didn't do that I don't think that it would have worked nearly as well with the Macho man because the package would wouldn't have been as good but as many times as randy savage was gonna change outfits for God so was Queen Sherry She She really got experimental with makeup. They're different periods of her managerial role when she was arrested or she would certainly try some stuff. She's starting to get really over the top of some of the makeup stuff and you guys have had tons of support from costuming and makeup shows and things like that. Well she doing most of the makeup herself or did you guys have some some help on staff to help her sort of amplify the look now. Most of the stuff you saw on TV. That was all makeup. Artist would experiment and come Sherry TV. And all I've got I've got this for you. Wait you know. Wait till you see what we're GonNa do this week. In and they would experimenting they would do different things so dinner at all on the road. She did it herself but it TV. We always had the makeup artists that would do that. And they would come up with different ideas for Sherry. Let me ask you know and I know. You probably don't know all of this but you may have an idea when she was say The women's champion for the company in wrestling wherever that match was on the card compared to when she's managing the Macho King Randy savage and main events on how show lives and things like that she gets up and pay she making more money as a manager than she was an in ring performer. I would think she was more valuable as a manager in that role and added so much to that package would hope so. Yeah I would think so too when Randy Starts feud with US erodes dusty is eventually managed by superfan Sapphire and that leads Sherri and Sapphire have a bunch of different physical confrontations with each other? Which we've recently talked about here on the show and that leads to a mixed tag `master Wrestlemainia six or randy and Sherry lose to dusty and Sapphire after Elizabeth Interferes. Shove Sherry It's a big moment. You know to see Sheree involved in something in the ring with Miss Elizabeth. Talk to me a little bit about that match and how you remember all of that sort of coming together because Sapphire was just a fan and it's not like even though she knows what to do she was wrestling. Every you know every week. It's a tall ask to get in there and wrestle and mix it up with someone who doesn't have a ton of wrestling experience right in the wrestling experienced that Juanita had was independent lot of habits and just did not know so you were relying a hundred eight. The term one hundred ten percent but if there was ever a place to use it would be here because a hundred and ten percent of this working was on. Sherry in Cherry had to be able to lead Juanita through the match and be able to get her to do everything that we need to do. So all this Sherri Martel and that Safire did that was something that Sherry felt comfortable. The Juanita could do and the success of that. So much of the success of that entire program with dusty and Sapphire in Sherry and Macho King that Sherry that was Sherry. That really pulled pulled out everything that she could out of Sapphire. It's it's fun. Because on the heels of Wrestlemainia they worker a continuous series of of mixed tag matches dusty and Sapphire on one side the king and Queen on the other all through the summer of ninety two the end of August I guess and I think the way this all comes down is at least from Sheri's point of view. She says Vince. I asked her to help get Sapphire on the road. And basically trainer wrestle using these series of matches even to the point that on the road to Wrestlemainia they have a few singles matches on house. Shows Talk to him a little bit about what that might have sounded like when Vince Tell Sherry. She's got a coach up. Juanita right got dash area yellow project for you. You Know Sapphire Dan. We we got plans here and without Sapphire. We've got no American dream if you know what I mean because what are you going to do with that so we need you take this woman? She can't she can't work need about ten minutes out of it and I know you can do it. Pal and really probably. That's Capri close to will really happen. You know it was we. We did stuff where yet yet the mixed tag and then the feature coming back would be. I would be Randy Sheri's corner and Elizabeth would be in a dusty and sapphires corner in that probably when I look back on all the different should I did in the ring and wwe that that time traveling with them and being on the road and working those matches every night with dusty and with Randy and Sherry and will need that. Some of the most fun I've ever had in the business and every single day I would get a phone call is my wakeup call. Every morning. He don't how this dammit. Congratulations set a record last night. We'll record zad lowest house a history of Odessa. And every fucking night every fucking town matter what we call the next morning wherever. I was waking me up Saturday record last night. Worse Housing El Paso History Yeah and some of them were pretty bad. They weren't all they were all bad. Frankly we outdrew in the garden where Hogan had been there before with earthquake and we outdrew that from day today but every night every night would get we'd get their industy would be standing in the curtain looking out. Bibi laughed timeout with him. Hogan with on top in I think At least double now Shiva. They get it but in the building yet and raining. Outgoing look out the fucking curtain would focus adri. Iroquois these these are much eater. She's lived down a little bit more clear on. We're setting records every night and you'll have to for me record. Playoffs there the shoots well always wanted to work with. The dream is turned in new funky night. Where the Gun Damn Bank Koala good to see? Yeah we had fun. We had spy some of the fucking worst houses in the history of the company by Guide. Way had fun. Let's talk about Zeus you know we mentioned Hogan and we would be remiss if we didn't mention that whenever there would be the the package of Hogan on one side Macho on the other. Sometimes they'd had a little garnish named beefcake. Ensues will a piece of that package for the heels is Sherri Martel so my absolute favorite promos ever Are the pre-tape promos where you guys have. The three of them standing over a goddamn cauldron at missing missy Sherri Martel talking about the vision she sees. And then we've got the big blue cage and they're pretending to climb round the cage shears running around the back of it and then climb into the top and it's just hysterical stuff where they're all shot out of a cannon but then the bell rang and there would be physicality where she would take bumps from Hulk Hogan and that's not something we have rarely seen and I could see how in certain areas that would be rather controversial but man. It didn't make anybody. Bat An eye her taking bumps from hall Cogan. Was that a controversial decision. Is it Something they called on their own. Is that something you guys had a meeting about where it was Vince on that that he asked her to take the bums looking you. Tell us about the Hogan Sherri Martel bombs now. I just worked in the match and it was able to go out and allow Just more entertainment in that match in in it's also Hogan Sherry loved. Working with each other Sherry was tougher. A lot of guys so Herbie in there was believable. It was always done now. This was the rationale you have to understand different time. Different place. Different everything If a female attacked a male competitor then the male competitor had the right or you know justification they were dead justification then put their hands back on the female so you would build that and you would have Sherri just be that that peice constantly attacking halt throughout the match until finally he gets his hands on her for one or two spots and and that was just highly entertaining in a completely different era. That it wasn't looked at like it is today and I think that you know right or wrong. You Go back thirty years. It was a little bit different and and people looked at it as just strictly entertainment. Yeah by God's She's GonNa get her she's been fucking with him for so long She's GonNa get hers and and it's Funny. Just how we think about things. In view things through a kinder lens is we grow older and for the better in my opinion that you know what yeah you don't put your hands on woman it just That was the time in that. Was that was what everybody was doing. You Watch old movies. You Watch old. Television shows holy cow. You'd never do that today. One of the things that we mentioned there as the the physicality from summer slam eighty nine in that match tag match. And that Promo with the silly cauldron absolutely love it. It's a minute and forty eight seconds and I'm going to Play the for here here. Because on absolute slam tonight span of at all Kogo Brutus the barber beefcake tummy the human wrecking machine Zeus. His partner. Of course none other than the botch Oban Randy savage sensational Sherri. What what in the world is in this mean? Jean? Oakland this is the call of madness that we spoke of also finally in the past month. What will help US destroy? Hulk Hogan Brutus beefcake looking there what do I see I see Hulk Hogan laying flat on his back and another day. What do I see Buddhists Bake and then hopefully hopefully we can see what's going to happen with Miss Elizabeth. If she's here where where is she? What's Romance Bore? See the same things that sensational series. He's only smaller sea biscuit. Pieces what I made. I see the weak link Brutus. The Barber beefcake here on the bottom of the coulter in the madness. Yeah and Olsen here on the bottom of the call. Trinita madness in. It's because of the human wrecking machine. Berbie a told you who cogan that. This was the end of the road. I am looking at the end of the road and all Swazi Sensational series. You would Miss Elizabeth. Yeah. The possibility is on believable very long. Let's get back to the dude. How much respect that macho man have for Sherry to let her take lead on the Promo? She got more than he did respect. Just think good she zero to feel the rest of the time Who have some fun working with thinking? Yeah she's got it was it like doing the The brother love show with that pear. And Sousse I mean had to be some of the best shave ever did. Yeah because all I had to do is talk to them and then we would have then we would come up with a line for tiny to do but I I loved it because is much shit as we talk about in the back you never knew what was going to come out of any one of our mouths once we got out there with a microphone in front of us so that part was fun and I used to share. Used to love to try to get me to break in. I would try to get her to break and sat savage just would but Sharon would always try to have fun like that. Good Times man my other favorite Promo. You gotta find the one where they're building The the match. The movie the no-holds-barred Christmas in December of nineteen eighty nine. I JUST PHENOMENAL. Promo where you see. I'm not GonNa play the audio because you've just got to see it but Jerry climbs the fucking cage and then trust to get off camera and tries to scoot around from the front to the back where you can't see your but she's still on camera. Just Gracia we should mention made a mainstream appearance in late. Nineteen Ninety Sharing Randy appear on the lifestyles of the rich and famous hosted by Robin Leach. I don't know that we've talked about that since we did. Our million dollar man episode any memories of the appearance here by Sherry and Randy on the show. Yeah this wasn't. This wasn't as in depth as the one that the did with DB OSCE and it was just kind of all set pieces in everything. But it wasn't really that in depth. But it was nice exposure for Randy and Liz and a way to get that Macho King Gimmick out there Robin loved US Robin Leach and was really good partner worked with us often anytime he saw something. Hey this would be. Wacky was A. Hey what if And Sherry in in fucking King Macho King was though some entertaining shit man. I just can't help but but brag about how wonderful she was with the Macho King. You know as we're so scrolling through memory lane here I remembered inner feud with With Sapphire and this has become an internet. Meme in the most recent year so And I think the title is something like a win. The Chili's bartender cuts you and your friend off. You know after you know five Margaritas. And they're both just flipping out and share. He's yelling pointing at the camera. You're a common woman which is so great considering the dusty was calling himself the common man and just phenomenal staff take a tip of the cap to Sherri Martel this weekend and go look up so these promos this weekend as you're finding some some old wrestling to enjoy the rest of the nineteen ninety as we head into wrestlemainia seven to ninety one cherry of course still managing the. Macho man are the macho king as it were wrestlemainia seven. Of course we were building towards a retirement match with the ultimate warrior when Warrior wins the match. The mashes over sheer gets in. The ring starts yelling at Randy. Then she starts to kick him and then. Elizabeth who was in the crowd jumps over the guard. Rail runs down. The AL grabbed Sherri by the hair throws are out of the ring then Randy and Liz or hugging and reunited one of the most emotional moments in wwf. History fans are showed on camera crying. Onscreen we've covered this. In the archives you can enjoy a wrestlemania seven episode but really phenomenal moment in wrestling history and Sherry says earlier in the day before doors were open randy and lists came to the show together and gave me a present. The thanks for the two years together and it was a phantom of the opera mask with a necklace built into it Ah PRETTY COOL sign of respect for some of the all time greats go into Sherri Martel here. Yeah and they. They truly love each other. I mean the three of them yet was we. We had great times on the road and family. So this was this was way of saying thank you and thank you for stepping in and and being there and never being that headache and pain in the ass could sometimes rise with those situations and Sherry played it to perfection. She was a part of the family. And I think Randy in Radian. Liz both really loved her. Later in the show Sherry within a company Ted Diaz into the ring and become his manager. So she's off the million dollar. She's off the Macho gang she's owned the million dollar man. Why was this decision? Made Well Randy was going away for a while. We didn't WANNA lose the Star Power Sensational Sherri and you had the dynamic of Virgil with Ted Diaz. But we didn't have that dynamic of Ted with a female and this was just that Opportunity Sherry was great. It would add another dimension. A whole `nother you know you look at. What Cherry did for Macho King and everyone could argue randy? Savage didn't need manager Randy savage. Didn't need anybody comes. Promos form and no didn't need anyone to be out at the ringed enhances matches. However when you did that you went holy Shit. What a package. And that's the same thing as how we looked at the million dollar man Ted to be awesome. Didn't need a manager. Ted Did need someone enhances matches but holy Shit when you add Sherri Martel that package. You got a brand new fucking package and brand new character presentation. We should mention that If you're looking for the million dollar man what you might need to be looking at how much you're paying an interest on your credit cards. Everyone probably too much. Why not consolidate your credit card debt into one lower monthly payment at a fixed rate? Start saving money. All of that is easy. Credit CARD CONSOLIDATION. Loan from our friends at livestream see rates there as low as five point. Nine five percents. Apr With Auto Pay and that's much lower than the national average interest rate on credit cards. Which is more than twenty percent? 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Some feel like there's a lot of story behind your really wasn't and I don't know that Ted Utilize Sherry nearly as much as randy did a think randy saw the advantages of having Sherry in his corner in exploited that as much he could and I'm not sure that Ted felt the same way. So Ted was in his own right. Just one hell of a talent talker and everything else so. I don't know that Ted embraced it. As much as is randy did they. They clicked the got along. Great to great workers paired together. But you're right for whatever reason it wasn't it wasn't memorable one over the top like Oh my God you remember the time with With all their savage you go right to the ship with warrior. You go right to the shit with dusty. Those are two big big big memorable fucking Ron's in the history of the company much less in their career and Hogan stuff. I mean there's just so much Oh yeah I don't think they even officially ended storyline or broke up their business relationship on. Tv She just started appearing on TV saying she was in love with the newly turned heel Shawn michaels and then she stopped appearing with Ted. Let's talk about Shawn Michaels. For a minute though They're going to break up the rockers. We've talked about that. In a rockers episode available in the archives now at something to wrestle on YouTube dot com but talk to me a little bit about whose idea was to say hey he's going to be he'll we need to make sure people boom besides you know boot and Marty. Janetti through the barbershop glass. Maybe if we put him with a known he'll manager that's tried and true. Wwf WAY WHO fits the bill? Well well Sherry doing. How does she get that opportunity? Well Sherry had worked. Sean Marty with playboy buddy rose and Doug somers in the Awa so there was history there and I remember Shawn always talking about. Oh my God if we only had Sherry on the outside 'cause she did ninety percent of the work for those guys she was able to bump and fly and cut promos and do any and everything that they ever need to do so there was already chemistry there in. I think Vince felt that dressing. Sean up there may be a segment of the audience. No matter what you did with Sean. That was still going to like him. They wouldn't like him if used with Sherry so that was the rationale behind that and putting Sherry in that role try and just again solidify make sure people are gonna Boo Sean. And it's an interesting dynamic. Because it's almost like a cougar. Type thing I think Cher. He's like seven years older than Sean and This is her boy toy so the point that I think that's sherry singing. His original entrance music has a he all right well. Originally originally it was I think Jimmy Hart sang it or the other Jimmy did but then Jimmy and I were sitting there and Sherry was was mouthing the words to it in a said. Hey Jimmy can we have Sherry Sing? It is actually like her Ahmad to Shawn Michaels. And he's like baby. I was thinking exact. Same thing in. We've got Sherry in the studio and had her do the song in it was so bad. It was good that that's what that's what became we. We put her voice on there. That was Romansch Shawn Michaels. And he's just a sexy boy and the rest is history. I'm not bored toll at just a sixty board says cpos. How EXTREME SEAN? This about their pairing. I received a phone call about how they were putting me Sherry and I got the music and stuff like that. I remember the playing the song for me and Sherry gone out on TV and done the Promo talking about me and putting herself with me. I wasn't sure I was trying to figure out who I was. And what I was going to be. In my whole trying to find myself living the rockers and taking time to do this and again Patterson said Look Sherry has been with two guys. Db Aussie and savage both top guys. And if we put her with you she's going to raise your stock. You get to be next to her. That's going to help get you to another level and I was like Oh and then of course sharing our friends from the old awa days it started out with the boy toy thing and then with them putting her and In my corner and sort of giving me a direction But back then. I don't think they were called cougars but clearly. That was the vibe that we were going with and gave me a sexual component. That I wasn't where I was going to have because I was with her. It gave me an opportunity to be in that area and I guess if you're trying to really put him over as the boy toy it made sense if that's the the look is look how good looking I am and flamboyant I am. You'RE GONNA use that to get heat. You needed to be with an attractive older lady in this sort of checked. All the boxes is this. The brainchild of Pat Patterson it feels like a vince. Mcmahon yeah it was it was. It was something the pad come up with. Try TO ENHANCE SEAN. And Take Sean to the next level and I think it did think it helped sean tremendously. So this was one of those you know you talked about. Maybe not maybe not so much. But Sean I thought that Sean Needed Sherry in that regard to take him to the next level great stuff man a really really good stuff They break up eventually late. Nineteen ninety-two when margin? Eddie grabs the mirror. Shawn michaels would pose in front of and try to hit. Sean with it Sean Paul Sherry in front of him. So Marty Watson Hitting Sherry with it. I hated to see him. Break up especially after a Salisbury Strut that ass to the Ring Summer Slam Ninety two. I didn't know that women could wear drawers like that as a little eleven year. Old Boy in Alabama was a special day for me. Bless your little heart that'd be great donald transition to a spot but they're not a sponsor this week so let's keep it moving while break them up here. I think it was time. I think it was time for for Sean looking at his career. And Sean feeling that you know what I've gone and done as much as I can in shopping that he was going to be stronger on his own she's not on TV again until the ninety three royal rumble. She's in a neutral corner for the match between Shawn and Mardi. She tries to Sean Shoe. But she misses and hits. Marty that leads Sean Win. She finds herself into talk corner. Wrestlemainia nine during a smash. Shaan he had Lou Nova Sean in his corner after the match Luna would attack Sherry and that goes down the trainer's room backstage and she spends the remainder of the year aligned with the talk is going eight her in her feud with loon of Sean and Bam Bam bigelow and while she still a part of the company she's working with the US W. A. Doing the invasion angle where she's randy savage's corner during his match with Jerry lawler while she's down there she's GonNa work three matches two against Miss Texas. We know Miss Jackie and a mixed tag with Scotty Flamingo. Against lawler and Miss Texas. And she's going to work for a lot of house shows against Luna during the summer of ninety three but then she winds up leaving the company and meltzer would report that Vince. Fires her from the company after her third failed drug tests and allegedly the drug test. Failure was for smoking. Marijuana confronted about this. She said she's not going to quit. And I think she's even on record saying one time she was called into the office. And it was Vince. Jj Dylan Yourself. Sitting there and one of you told her that the drug test came back positive. And you're going to have to let her go. Talk to me about what you remember about this moment after. She'd been with company six years so very memorable angles and then it comes to an end here. Look Tar it's hard when you have a tell extraordinary talent like Sherri Martel that you want to keep and you want to continue to use. However you can't have a different set of rules for people and unfortunately for Sherry. It was our many strikes it was and she had to go away for awhile. We wanted her to go get help. Sheridan feel that she needed any help and that was the alternatives. So if can't stop doing this and you don't want to go get help. Then we can't have you doing on our time and live switch. Sometimes that one hurt it sucks dude to know that it's it's coming to an end here and you sort of alluded to earlier. When he said that. When Vince I her on his radar he had heard that you know she I forget the phrase us but the insinuation was. She was wild and liked to party. Was it just Crazy wrestling style. Drinking was it marijuana. I mean obviously we know what led to the end of her life but what was what was her sort of wrap and reputation in the business as far as being a question. Mark Convinces Mon. The perception was was. She liked to party inch liked to do drugs and she liked it party with the boys and get wild. I don't think that was inaccurate. Perception once you once you get to know or that wasn't Was Sherri Sherri liked to have good time? Yeah share you liked to party just like everybody else? So why shouldn't she? She worked hard but sherry during her time with us. I can't recall anything over the top. Did we have issues were Sapphire through in the shower. Yeah We have issues where she would go off on somebody sometime. Yes but you have issues with all your top talent in some form or fashion Sheri's weren't extraordinary. Bury the lead there. She made up Sapphire and through in the shower. And you're gonNA tell us about that. There was there was a period where the stuff that Sapphire war. She were every night so they would wrestle every night and Juanita wooden shower. She wore the exact same clothes. Sherry in one. Easy to travel together and Sherry told her. Hey Look you've got you've gotta wash your gear. You've got to wash your clothes in. You need debate. And I think that Sapphire was just self conscious about taking a shower at the arena in front of Sherry I. That's the only thing that we could we could think of. And I remember Liz trying you know trying to mediate that a little bit She asked me to mediate. It wasn't getting involved in then Sherry took it upon herself. Said you're not gonNA shower. I'm GonNa get you in the shower Sherry drug her into the shower interns shower on and proceeded to help her bathe. I don't know the name of I don't remember what town it was in. I can picture the I can picture the backstage picture. The locker room wherever they remember. Liz coming over to a randy and I were dresses. You guys got to get in here and stop Sherry and it's like was. She's got Sapphire in the shower. She's turned the shower on his basically giving Sapphire shower. Randy and I looked each other. You weren't exactly. Do you expect us to do what do you? What do you want to go in there and fight Sherry So Jack Lanza. Who was the agent went in and and calm things down and everything was good after. I mean like they got the card. They were fine that night but it was One eighty got new gear and change your gear and wash from point going forward. Look when you're in the car with somebody and you're in the ring with overnight and they're not taking care of their hygiene it it. It can be rough Sherry briefly goes to smoky mountain. Wrestling Helps Tracy smothers for this feud with Brian Lee. And Tammy Sich of course we know it's going to be the future sunny just a wrestles. Jim Cornell and a few inter-gender matches long from that And then she goes. Dc W ninety three. She managed to Shane Douglas. There she turns on Douglas in a tag match with Brian. Pitman COSTING DOUGLAS. The match on behalf of Rick Flair and At the November to remember on November Thirteenth Sherry loses the Q. and She winds up finding an opportunity in nineteen ninety-four to work with Gary Juster at a WCW television typing and then quickly. It's an opportunity to sign with the company so it's pretty cool that she bounces back The next year she's on TV. She makes her television debut. Wcw On the April twenty third edition of Saturday. Night she sensuous Sherri here. She can't be sensational. Sherri and her goal in an interview with jeans she says is to find a man that can bring her the world title and she sitting ringside for a world title match with Ric Flair and Barry Windham Eventually we see that she's got staying face paint. It looks like she's going to be with staying unification match up between himself and Ric flair. Of course it's a double cross Famously she takes a huge bump From staying in this match. But at the end of the night she's aligned with the nature boy ric flair as a great time managing him then the Harlem Heat Fast forward to the end and she is relieved of her duties in July. Nineteen ninety-seven seven. Did you see any of her run in? Wcw A little bit. But when I say a little bit very little You know a lot of it. In my opinion of what I did see was rehash other than the stuff. She did with Harlem. He which I did enjoy and I thought that that was some pretty entertaining. Stuff thought Sherry brought the best out of those guys and made them even more unique tag team and made them stand apart from the crowd But beyond that. I really really didn't pay that much attention to it and I was. I was in contact with Sherry. Probably every three or four months. Just say see how she was doing and you know by your time and I think that will get to a point where we can get back well ultimately it never happened and we'll talk about all that but there was a noticeable decline in her appearance where you wondered if she okay on WCW it was it was visible even back then at least to me in my opinion in early ninety nine. She's in a mixed tag match for the Apocalypse Wrestling Federation Heavyweight Championship Missy Hyatt would pin cherry to win the title that's Real In October of ninety nine. She's only now infamous heroes of wrestling pay per view. She's GonNa Managed Greg Valentine against George the Animal Steele. He's also in ninety nine. Going to be awarded. The Awa Superstars Women's Championship in two thousand. She pops up. Wcw for three appearances. The first of which is sold out two thousand she's watching Ringside Crispin. Wa Beats said vicious to win the world title She's also on the January nineteenth edition of Thunder. She's got a match with Medusa where she would lose in her last appearance and WCW she would have a match with Mona the future molly holly she would also lose she pops back up the WBF. Two thousand five where she famously takes part in a pretty interesting little piece of business were Shawn Michaels and Kurt. Angle are getting ready for the Wrestlemainia 21-match I thought this was great stuff. Man whose idea was this and until everybody about the storyline best. I remember. It was all Brian de words Thought about looking back at their past and who in Shawn's pass could come back in you know? Be a thorn in his side so the idea was sensational sherri would be perfect. It was a nice way to open the door for Sherry to put her foot back in and get that exposure and it was a little bit of a test to see. Can she still go? Can she still do it? Is there something more that we could utilize because as a performer? She always been very versatile and this was an opportunity to maybe use Oliver Talents. I don't think that she had the shouldn't have to snap in the pep the she used to have. It happens this episode of smackdown. She's singing the parody of Shawn Michaels theme with Kurt Angle Angle puts her in the ankle. Great stuff that set up the WRESTLEMAINIA 21-match fast forward a WRESTLEMANIA. Twenty two and that weekend she goes in the wwe hall of fame claiming her rifle spot. It's unfortunate that The WBZ was not on good speaking terms with the Macho man. At the time he would have been the right guy to Dr but Ted. Db there. She got her hall of fame. Ring April two thousand six. What are you remember by her induction speech? Oh my my favorite part about Sheri's induction speeches when she started cutting pro on Eric Bischoff and she talks about going. Wcw W BISCHOFF fire. If I ever see that little weasel I'll do this. I'll do that. Bischoff was in the audience and Eric stood up as I hear. Is She look? She did not know he was in the audience in the genuine shriek from Sherry. Like cheech is cut another promo on him. It was at. Aw It was so fucking enjoyable. I think it was Detroit but Ga Damn it was hilarious. Because he's just it was real. It was real that was the passion and we got exactly what you would have expected out of Sherri Martel Cessation Sherry that night with with that acceptance speech in. You know it really Made you realize how much you Mr later that year she worked for. Tna taping a backstage of and yet trying to offer her managerial services to the free agent. Bobby Rude but aired on September twenty first two thousand six and this was unfortunately her last televised wrestling appearance on June fifteenth. Two Thousand Seven Sherry passed away at her mother's house in mcallen Alabama. She was only forty nine years old. Toxicology report say that she passed away from multiple drugs in her system including extremely high amount of walk. Sokoto Gone Way too soon bruce. What was your reaction when he heard the news that we'd lost Sherri Martel. I cried like a girl man of the people that you had the privilege of knowing in this business in and know as well as I knew sharing being able to travel up and down the road with her work with her intimately That was she was special. She was just really special and being in the car with somebody for long hours working with him every single lie and you get to know instinctively. What what. They're going to say what they're going to do. Yeah I just cried I. It was just so sad because too young too soon and there was you know there was thought of. There's always thought of who could who could help you know Who could hell revitalize and and actually help a women's division and bring it into the entertainment realm that that we wanted and but also understood both ends of entertainment and the sports part of it and working part of it? That was Sherry. So Vince always had a soft spot for sharing. Martel and felt that she was extraordinarily talented and wonderful. Human being all of which she was and Shaq Shaq in she was gone too soon. She hid opened up a beauty parlor. I believe and that was her. Other Love was she won't have a salon and beauty parlor and she had realized that she was doing that but just gone way too soon. And what a waste. It's worth mentioning. Mckell. Alabama is between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham. A very very I mean very small part of Alabama. But he never I mean I never knew much about series real life personal life and I'm sure we'll talk about that but before we do want to mention it was in the observer about a month prior are passing away but the wwe was in talks to bring her back. It was at least an idea floated to bring her back to be the first female agent to work with the women to be more believable and more expressive both inside the ring and ringside. Do you remember hearing rumors of that and two thousand seven. I ended the Raleigh Room because we always just thinking of it. We're always thinking of her and trying to utilize your skills so that that was that was constantly constantly talked about. What do you think her legacy and wrestling is going to be? I mean Willoughby as an entering performer as a manager. I think it's going to be both. I think that she will go. Down is probably one of the most versatile women performers Fuck women performers. She'll she'll go down as one of the most versatile performers in the business just memorable and could deliver every time. Let Sal Scotto twitter. We posted earlier this week at Pritchard. Show if you've got questions about Sherri Martel Michael Aldridge wants to know during her Tom with the debris. F- Shihri ever rumored to or she ever actually in a relationship with you need the wrestlers. And Bruce I gotTa tell you about half the questions that we got about Sherry or personal life because we know so little. I mean I didn't know that she lived with her mother in Alabama and I live in Alabama and I'm a big wrestling fan and we don't know you know who she rode with or who she traveled with or if she was in a romantic relationship with any of the talent or what any of real life look like. And you tell us about any of that. No 'cause she was she did the right way. Shanta Private Life Louis private. She had someone that she was saying. I think we gotta we gotta May guy like once or twice. Maybe Brigham around. We separate. She didn't want him around the wrestling business. And you know that that was her life that was her other life That she liked to have separate but as far as you know there were rumors early on that. She might have had relationships with different guys. I don't know who But from my point of view for me working with the man she was always professional as Hell. And you didn't. You didn't have that you didn't have that to worry about. And she had a significant other. They weren't married that I know of She was that private but she she brought were on me like me and Randy and Liz Internet you know what's true online but the Internet says that the fellow's name was Robert and allegedly She's married twice and I think one of the Times it's been rumored. The Euro POW Booker T. Actually gave her away and he may have. Yeah but doubled again. That was the the she kept it quiet. She kept personal. She kept private which I agree with that saw. I mean you've always you've you've done that we've talked a little about your wife. You're on the show and she's never been involved in the business or anything like that. How do you think she would do? And today's You know women's wrestling. I think she'd flourish. Oh my God Sherry would flourish be one of the greatest heels ever. She was but in this environment today. My God it was made for Shark Sherri Martel. Sherry was so far ahead of time Carlton Banks Whilst what will share his ethnicity. What she biracial never heard that before? Not that I know of. I don't know but never heard that before. Well if you a few of our listeners. A same that she there may be. You know HOT HALF WHITE HALF BLACK. Others have guessed. Maybe she's half Indian half white. I don't think it matters in the end. I think people just ask those questions so hey she was like me Mary Kate wants to know. Is there someone you would consider this generation sharee racks good question of Shit? I don't know holy cow. I I can't think of one. Tremendous question from drew landry while Sherry could easily play the. He'll roll incredibly well. Was there any talk of her being face? I think Sherry could've pulled that off as well too. I think Sherry could have been that bad ass stone. Cold Steve Austin type of Character that the audience would have eaten up and loved because they respected her big bake rights and we know. Sean had a lot of sunny days but do you think he ever had any sensational nights. I beat Asa. I have no idea. it's it's a fun idea to to sort of pay homage to Sherry and I am curious if you think. Wwe will ever honor her in the way they have some of the other towns before her light. Moolah and Mae Young allegedly Jericho Recommended events years ago. The sensational invitational like a memorial battle. Royal Do you think we could ever see something like that. In the in the company never say never and that's something I think that could be received. Positive way she was she was unique. Man It's It's one of those weird deals where she's one of those talents where where everybody else you know. Feels like we know everything about him. She's one of the interesting Niklas and I think that's probably so this missing from a lot of wrestling today. Like there's a lot of mystery with Cherry and that adds to the the interest and intrigue and I don't know I think it has another layer to To making someone a draw. Would you agree with that? Yes and that they'll special qualities can't put your finger on that is what makes a difference and you feel it but you can't necessarily explain it in. That's that's the beauty of this business. And that's the beauty of true talent Ritchie rights and Sherry had some inter-gender loser get spanked matches against Cornell smokey mountain hypothetically what would have sounded like when Corny pitch those matches. I even go there ladies and gentlemen. We appreciate you tuning in this week. 'cause we tried to pay homage and do Justice Bao one of my all time favorite performers. Think one of the unsung heroes of professional wrestling SHERRI MARTEL. A true trailblazer In an industry where everybody claims to be the first. I think Sherry stands alone. I think she was absolutely phenomenal as the first female he'll manager and wwe. And I'm glad she got to be honored at the hall of fame before it was too late. You know when she was still with us today. Certainly she would have the ability to contribute. I mean she would not been an old lady today. I mean she died at just forty nine years old a real shame. And there's lots of fun photos out there for us to remember her by as a famous photo of her and WanNa ric flair's robes and famous photo of her. The undertaker were in there in full. Gimmick just really one of the all time greats universally respected by the boys to an industry where it's a a male dominated industry by far. I've never mental old timer. Who had anything great things to say about Sherri Martel and that's really a testament because that's not always the case. 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Martell Holt- Love And Marriage Huntsville

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Martell Holt- Love And Marriage Huntsville

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It's been a long well today. We have a special guest. I'm sure you guys have seen the own series and marriage huntsville love and marriage huntsville from that. Show is one of the stars. Mr martell halt will be joining us today. Now steve let's clear something up okay. Martell reached out to us. We did not go to find. Martell martel reached out to us. He steady sincerely seeking advice now. He is attempting to move forward with his life and he knows that we encourage him to tell his truth. Let me give you a little background about love and marriage huntsville. It is a reality show. Like i said. I've never seen this show. I know i know number one. Show one going to say that martel is the number one show on on. Wait wait hold on. Just the okay. I think i think ready to love is number one so much. Thank leases two different things. Go here alan. Love and marriage huntsville. Is this show. That seem to come out of nowhere out of huntsville. Alabama it's about these three very prosperous black couples entrepreneurial state yeah they're real estate development anyway there in huntsville alabama they have a group company name called the comeback group. That's how it started. And that's what you thought you were going to see. You know how they navigate through their businesses and their marriages. But what what came out of that was the marriage between martell and melody holt and the dynamic of their marriage and what they were going through comes to come to find out. There was a lot going on that we didn't even know about. I see this beautiful couple. I mean beautiful melody. Hope is stunning. Stunningly gorgeous woman. They were married four children three children. At first they had some problems. She heard he was cheating. They work through it and then she got pregnant. They got pregnant again with the fourth child. So that's kind of how it was then. After that there were more rumors of cheating more rumors of cheating and well. It didn't end so well. So far marks. They ended up in divorce court. Just it's just a mess. Okay it is just really really really at this point a mess and you know people like mess. So that's why we watch the show. That's why everybody is so into love and marriage huntsville on the own network so again martell reached out to us because you know he is getting bashed and you know some people say deservedly so because he cheated he had a beautiful family and he cheated and lost his family so now he wants advice. I'm assuming martell you're you're you want to move forward and try to you. Know go on with your life. Basically is that why. You're here definitely so i would definitely say that being a husband. I'm sorry being a husband. And you know i'm not gonna say not having a father figure or not having black role model Not having that as an excuse. But you know i was really like learning like trial and error as i was going out with married for like twelve thirteen years. And you know. We had a lot of up and down great towns and not so great times and But you know failed. And that's why i'm here because for my future to be better here plane you know. I don't want to continue to do the things that i've done the past okay. Can i ask a question. 'cause i don't know the answer ten so is are you divorced. Are you married. is it over. Are you trying to get back inside. Yeah we The divorce is final final as a about a month ago but his life after married to life after a divorce you know well yeah i do not want to called the right man i figure out how to do it again To the beautiful thing it really is. I enjoy being married. Man jeopardy things happened. I guess i just really. I dropped the ball. I really can't okay. Okay so let me ask you when you say you dropped the ball. Tell me where you where you thank. You went wrong thinking. I deserve more. Well i think being greeted. I think i was being greedy. You know and at times you know. I would definitely say that i was saying that my wife wasn't doing certain things within the relationship But i guess. I should have communicated that. I'm in a different way opposed to stepping out. Yeah okay well. We're not gonna do is we're just gonna tell your truth. We're we're going to ex wife. We're not gonna we're not gonna bash or blame. Oh no no no no. That's not at all not at all you're saying how mixed up. How in a different way. So no no no no negative thing nature. I kind of felt that but there was a lot of that though. Steve which is why. I said it show lot. There was a lot of that. He didn't do it just now. I ain't seen the show so let me let me let me keep saying women. If other the women coming at me just like she just did how they come at forever doll. Yeah i tell you live in. This went down but martel. You're here you wanted to come. We allowed you to come. We welcome you to the show and we do want you to tell your side of it. We so we welcome melody to do the same thing if she would like to. Well when we come back a couple of questions that you can answer for me and then we'll go from. There are special guest today. Is martell hope from levin marriage huntsville on the own channel sixty five. We'll be back. Remember navin right after space. You're listening to steve harvey morning. Show all right steve. We are back with our live strawberry letter like we said earlier. The first one. We've done in many many years. I special guest. Today is martell. Holt from the own networks love and marriage huntsville. We can recap so. Do you have an idea of what's going on now stephen. Now you said you haven't watched you watched the show but just brothers on here. He had a family. He lost a family because He well yeah. he didn't. He didn't know how to how to how to how to how to do it. And he said in his own words he was just greedy and so we called the demise of his family. What i just pulled a pitch. It looked up beautiful family and so divorce is final. Now so let me ask you this mantell if you could do anything differently. What would you have done anything. Differently would have de. I think the communication with my wife. I think just like like what she mentioned to me. What i should have done it. I should literally grabbed her instead her down and had that adult conversation opposed to the things that i was complaining about. Will just complain candidly. You know opposed to really saying. Hey listen. We haven't issue. Let's sit down. Let's talk about it because it's making me feel a certain way not wasn't be pleasant for our our marriage so like what she mentioned. I better communication. Okay now let me ask you something were you while you were. Ask having these verbal complaints. Was there anything you was doing. That deserved a complaint. Well she wasn't complaining about about too much. You know we We had children Where we have children. And you know i was like the dumbest parent you know. We're no it wasn't anything that she was complaining about. It wasn't now she just was was no no wasn't she wasn't complaining 'cause she didn't know everything i'm not sure i mean. We have to have her on the phone for that because willingly did you do the cheating part pretty good and for how long before about it. Yeah i was when. I was complaining when i thought the complain. That's around the same time that stepped out and i thought that complained turn things then wasn't adjusted to a wanted which was selfish. I'm a different. I stepped out and you know it went about a year before she found out. What on for years. Now let me ask you something. Do you think in your mind that the stepping out also brought about the demise of the relationship. I would definitely saito because they're probably Took something out of me that could then going to what my wife and was issuing over here to someone else so i totally agree with that. Baby involves steve what you mean. He has a baby with this other woman. Yes he's about five years on down the line yeah women. Don't watch the show sti baby with this other woman. Yeah women don't you. The other woman got pregnant. she did. I mean this is what we All type so it's not like it happened early on but we're hold on hold on hold on caused. After she found out she was cheat. How long were you all married. After she found out it took a fire years to find out if she found out five years ago. Oh okay so. She stayed which she found out us. Chief okay but okay how. How old is the baby to new baby newborn around christmas right this christmas if the newborn we can't undo none of this food so i'm just trying to get the facts. Okay okay so i'll just leave it alone. You got a newborn but you have. How many children would your wife. All you got four kids. How close in age is last to see Malir millennials she just they one and a half and my third spot boyer different. She well before we. I wanted to say this to steve before we do run out of time. Martel did come on here to get some advice from where we're going to do this while we we go. This is longer than two strawberry lettuce it is. We covered it over to break number three part. I don't want to do wanna hear the soldier out. 'cause look i've been there and i can quit trip every man. Every man noticed story. Stop acting brand new. Every man notice story all right. hold up. Hold up steve. We'll have part three of the strawberry letter with our special guests. This live strawberry letter with martel of martell. Hold from levin marriage huntsville. We'll be back at forty six minutes after the hour right after this. You're listening to leave. Harvey morning show are here. We are steve. live with. Martel holt from owns love and marriage. Huntsville now come on for advice. Come on the show for advice now had to get some background took me. Tim breaks to get the background. Martell was married to a woman they have a family together. He admittedly stepped out and now found out. There's another child involved and divorces final. And so now he is and he's admitted that he did some things wrong. What i learned myself was. You can't fix in your house. Uk fix what's wrong in your house outside. You'll house a lot of men. Go that route to be honest with you. you know. there's something wrong and they start telling it to somebody and somebody give listening in next thing you know they listening real good and they seem to be understanding next thing you know so some things john paul so mateo where we're at right. Now what would you like to accomplish with this phone call. You know so right now. I guess i'm going through a tough time because we we do have four children I divorced just it's been over. What about a month ago now. And i guess i do want to move forward But i guess. I need to know how do i move on In terms of like do i start to you. Know i'm not gonna say start dating someone now but like half like what are the future look lights and i don't worry about that but let me but status because i don't care how marriage go at the end of the day. The children had nothing to do with it. And every man that has been found guilty of this every last one of us who have been guilty. This have had to grapple with the facts that we blew a family. We messed up a family yemen. Because it's an in his heart man because you know in the words of theresa and that song shame. What am i supposed to tell these kids see. That's that's the gripper and that's where a lot of us as men. We don't have groups to help us through these moments like this is seeing a therapist by the way who therapist. Yeah he's singing therapists. I have therapist. Is he divorced. No no we've been there thirty. Seven years in my thing is the reason i wanted to stick with houston honestly is because i feel that you've been through some things that's what i'm saying and you are like the best person to seek advice from someone has actually been through something i don't talk to you. Don't go learn how to squeeze them somebody case wheels. We'll come back more break. Number eight might tell hope from love and huntsville right after this. This is the steve harvey. Show you're listening to morning. Show all right our special guests. This is a special live edition of the strawberry letter for today. Our guest is martell. Hope that's right. I said martel holt from love and marriage huntsville on own. Martell reached out to us. He is seeking advice from steve. He wanted he wants to move on now. He wants to move on and it's nothing wrong with that because that is like you have to move on. You know. that's how we learn. We make mistakes. We move on steve. Now martell as inform me of what happened. He had a marriage. Has some things going wrong in it. He didn't know how to handle it. He admittedly handled it. Wrong way He lost his family divorces final. He has children and another outside marriage and today he sitting here with face with what i know. A lot of men are face with you. Know i've had to look at it myself. So what i'm saying to you now. Martell is if i were you to move forward because you are now your your divorces is public crazy so now you know you get an eight up alive by by women. They're not trying to hear you but one thing you could do see the one thing we don't do is we. Don't do closure right. And sometimes man closure is a very significant thing for women especially public because since your wife was embarrassed publicly see see the. It's like it's like when the newspaper makeup mistake and rebuttal. It'd be front-page mistake. But then the rebuttal be classified section in small print. We made a mistake. They'll do that. So probably the beginning of helping your girl and yourself and your kids to publicly apologize to her and it show wrong in it so that she can get some type of relief from what she's been feeling with publicly. You feel what i'm saying. I'd be one hundred percent forgiveness. She not go forgive him. There's nothing to happen. he can go on. Don't don't worry about that. what you after. He has to make her home not himself. Hope has so what will he try to respond the way so he can kinda put something together for this woman. I think that would be an interesting way to go about it to publicly address this situation and put her at ease so she's not at fault for some of the things you may of say it publicly about her. It was just probably you lashing out trying to cover and all this. 'cause i know man look man when when you know when we as me and do wrong we we justify wrong with telling the woman which she did wrong caused us to do wrong. And that's what i've been doing for quite some. We're listen thief our it Shirley she's making it certain things in terms of like i say that so we started filming the show. I didn't wanna put our our business on tv. I didn't i didn't wanna publicly. about showed. did not know would have known anything and it was a surprise to me when she hit me in tv. So that was the first it right there. I pee all time. If you won't show match to nas survive put it on tv. I think it'd be into no mantell is the public statement to make her whole again in the beginning because it provides an element of closure and then after that there is a little bit of suffering that you have to endure. I did it man. I know and mine wasn't entirely my fault. Either i can tell you flat out but in the court of public opinion. It'll matter demanded grown doggy in the court of public opinion. It doesn't matter. Don't be a victim. I tell no no. I'm just saying it just doesn't matter. I'm not saying to be a victim. It just don't matter do. I'll give them what you say you know. So it's gonna be a level of suffering that you have to do because of the pain that was inflicted hang on marcel. Okay we gotta take a quick break. Here we'll be back with more of this live strawberry letter reality show right after this. You're listening to morning show all right. We're back with part five. It is part of our lives letter wheel of our lives. Strawberry letter reality. Show today with our special guests. Martell holt who reached out to us. He wanted some advice during the strawberry letter segment and that is what we do. We give advice and martel here seeking that and we're trying to do that and Carla during the break he said well hold on a second but he came on the show. He told me a situation. His wife has divorced yet outside relationships as now the baby involved. The divorce is finalized. He loves his wife. He's not in love with her and his whole thing was. What can i do to move forward. Moss first suggestion is to provide this woman with some type of closure. What you publicly did to her and say it hurt. The apology has to be at that. Same level see it. Kills me when people talk about me on the internet. Then when i catch him somewhere they wanna say i'm sorry and addressing rule. Joe ask it on that same internet. You was on when you talk near. When i got up in your face man to man now you now you down. Some melt outbreaks showed i think martell. What's missing you just did not show any remorse. It you draw car heart but the one thing that i never got from you is that you was sorry. We're going to give dance martell to respond and to make it right. Try to make right on apologize and all that but we gotta take another break and we'll be back with more of this live strawberry letter reality show right after this. You're listening morning show back. I'm taking this fast. Mateo holt is on on on the phone with us today on the radio He is families broken up. His wife divorced him He was unhappy. He stepped out. There's another child involved. It bought up an interesting point while we've been talking about all of this. Is that the reason so many women are team melody because they kinda watched you break her on television with some of the things you say it and call us. Said you'd never seen quite marfa remorseful about an innocent seal way to respond to that. I am very. I'm very sorry and You know i. I didn't wanna bring the some. I guess my family knows many times. I've prayed on my knees and the lowest are really for real like Remove the fan from me. You know but if like kind of failed to this person and it just got out of hand and now that we on a reality show if like my becker against the wall and then i guess you guys know about reality shows. They get the run the narrative the way they want to run it you know. It's a lot of things that y'all women are saying on this tv. Show that i really would not do in real life you know. The entity is very serious. I i'll tell you that. The editing is their series and And i've been very apologetic to my wife but you can't control you can't control who you are on that show because there there. There's there's a has to be a way that you can control who you are. They can't make the martell bead. Be the martin. They wanted to be just because they weren't ratings. You have to be able to control the martill that you want. The the mario desperate trade out there will say this to costs really good. That's really good but when they put you in when you find meet five different people that you really would not meet in real life. That's makes you feel some type of way. I'm up here. Meeting people telling them about my relationships that i went awry. Jennifer juice is not meet today. Row my job in helping what tommy is saying this this month i did some things that they didn't have to really embellish. Just play it and sometimes man when we in front of people we flex a little bit. And i think for tomorrow understanding is it was a lot of flexing on the show when the on everybody want appear in the best light and you appeared in your best light. Put her in her worst night. Yeah and and that has caused to a family when we come back man. We're going to talk about that. The importance of the family and after you apologize to her publicly not privately. What i've seen as steve harvey. You should do to move forward. And now we'll put some type of close to the we come back. We'll be back with our last break of the day with martel from love and marriage huntsville right after this. You're listening morning. Show all right steve. Here we are last break of the day. Our very special guest today from owns love and marriage. Huntsville has been martell. Holt who reached out to us. He wanted some advice during the strawberry letter. And that's where we were. You know here trying to do. Because i believe in redemption. I mean we would tell the same person who wrote in with these same issues. You know about redemption and forgiveness and things like that and public apologies like you said so. That's what we're here for. You know ahead this you know just to recap does both the call here. He made some mistakes in his marriage. He knows that he stepped outside. He's lost his family. He walson move forward. There's another child involved and we've been talking in one of the things that i know that men are not good at his. We're not good at closure. That's not a thing about this brother is. It's a lot of and out here. That are help me and out here can know exactly where he coming from. Let's stop all this. We righteous damn. Oh you did that. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah yeah okay and this is a story that's played out in a lot of places. This is played out all over the country all over the world all of the time an ancient this the days have changed as women doing the exact same thing. Now you know it's just. I will be truthful. Which women are way better at martyr. We're smarter just better better. So if not martell as i talked to you about apologizing you thought that would be a good move to do publicly for her to give her some closure because you know what was done. Publicly can only be undone publicly. You you know you're not gonna get your family back not in love anymore but you do love. I saw pitchy beautiful family. So now four whitman. Here's what we have to do as men even though we make a mistake. And we cost ourself the family -struction we cannot crumble the fiber of the family because kids and got nothing to do with this and kids affected by divorce. Oh are they are affected and so what they have to know at the end of this mantell from my standpoint. They have to know that day. Daddy low of more than he loves anything else. Your children have to know that. Love them more soul than you love else you've done and so it becomes a part of if you and the wife can be cool enough to sit in front of the children and show a unified fun. I don't know where y'all at with that. I don't know if that's doable. I don't know if the hurt his too much right now. 'cause sometimes take time and like bishop. Jakes told me he said you can just say i'm sorry in. Expect back in that amman. It's all good. He said that's not how this works. That's how i used to the right right because somebody got injured and even though they put a bandage on a deeply. The pain is still there. So i'm assuming martell you call because you i mean look man. Obviously you love your family your kids and so we got it. We got to get in there man and produce do you what you're saying. Step one. Steve is to publicly apologize on his road to redemption and and getting you know moving forward with his life. You're saying step one is to publicly apologize see the laws press is forgive us our trespasses as we give those who trespass against us. You can't expect god to show grace and mercy if you don't exhibit grace in mercer because that was one of the things that upset the women so much is that the arrogance seemed like you were just so arrogant about it and you know just what you kept lying about it and all and all of that. And that's what infuriated us. You were so arrogant. So selena country my business. I thought you know because it wasn't a honoree. No no no. It wasn't a plane of more tail to put ma. Because i knew what was going to happen if they got out. I didn't want it to be out. So young gonna live and i know wouldn't seen i don't want everybody to know she knew and i knew that should have been it. It's an umbrella to the you guys should have been brought to the world. You know 'cause. I've never going to happen. So how about when we well. At least you're honest about event this michelle show every man on the show. Ask you a couple of minutes left. So let's let's. Let's let martell floors so he can publicly apologize. Go here okay. So melody The personnel been with over fourteen years. Grew up with you We've accomplished a lot in life. We got four beautiful children and You know. I wouldn't be the person that i am and i'm not talking about the negative names but i wouldn't be the first man one thousand you I do love you. I love what we still for. And if my My deepest hope that we can you know co parent together Accomplished and make sure that we raise our children In the same way that we wanted to raise them over together. So i want to know that i am sorry to put you through this. My children's through there are families through this. I mean i it hurts me. Know her she just as much as it hurts me. And i'm sorry melody or everything i've done everything but i thank you for the opportunities that you gave me any chances to get right. Guy gave me plenty of chances to get it right. I remember us talking about. I'm things in terms of guys. Blessing us and showing us favor. And then every time i step out we lose their favor and to you I wish you the best in life. your career and about harder. I am star brother. I think his sincere. You know And one day man one day man just all get better so we thank you for joining us mateo hole. Thank you so much. thank you. Thank you brother. For all steve harvey contests no purchase necessary void where prohibited participants must be legal. Us residents at least eighteen years old. Unless otherwise stated for complete contest rules visit steve harvey fm dot com. 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Episode 234: Rick Martel

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Episode 234: Rick Martel

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What's going on man? How are you this morning? was technically still really really really late night or is it? I guess it is the morning where we're here just after one a m doing what we can to bring you a something to wrestle of course last week. Bruce was busier than a one armed paperhanger. So we had to do a a best-of, but we're back in the saddle again, this week Bruce and. Somehow, some way we found a way to make it happen this week we did well, I gotta I gotTa. Do a shoutout to help I'm saying his name correctly Mike. Call. Ko L. E. from Crown Point Indiana who I My sister came in today with a big box. She was like, I. Don't know what the hell it is, but it's heavy. And it was a box full of. Blood Orange Mango sobe water bitches. and. It just made my day job gotta fill my refrigerator up there my office with. Good Blood Orange Mango Sylvia water. But then when I came home tonight I'm able to enjoy what Lenny Bachan Sent me. My good friend Lenny from Edward. Jones. That sent me a nice box. So we WANNA wait hang on you got linney not only handle in your money, but he's handling your blood orange Soviet water searches as well. God bless him. You know what? I don't even feel a little bad for making record at one. Am You got your damn blood? Orange Mango Burnham's nave. It's you should be good. I've had to our sleep in the last forty hours. So fucked me right exactly I mean you got your drink. Why are you still bitching? Didn't know bitching I was thanking people. To Mike, and Lenny well. I'm glad that somebody loves you and still cares about you know make somebody. Does I AGREE Somebody who may or may not after today our subject today we were supposed to get in last week. Little late. Better than a little never. Rick the model Martel it's going to be a fun one. He held a major championship and the heyday of the nineteen eighties for almost nineteen months was a roommate to hulk. Hogan. He drove up and down the road with Shawn Michaels and well according to the rumor and Innuendo, he was even involved in a bit of a bidding more in the late nineties during the Monday night war. Lots to unpack today with Rick. Martel. he was born on March Eighteenth Nineteen fifty six in Quebec City. He grew up in a family of wrestlers and described himself as a big time. Pro Wrestling Fan even growing up much like you Bruce Seattle is Jack Brisco. And around the age twelve is big brother also arrests ler began to bring him to some of the matches and he knew right away he wanted to be in the wrestling business boy that's something you can identify with right? I. Mean this is the first and only job you ever wanted to write. Absolutely and Martel was one of those guys. Funny. When you talk about Jack Brisco because I will try and find it. But about nineteen seventy, three seventy four ISH martel came. To taxes. And The caption, the Paul used in the program was Martell looks a lot like Briscoe because they look similar heads similar body tight, and both young good looking the baby-faced baby face. So. Martin was often compared to Jack Brisco and he had that came from that bold of. Just, baby-faced fiery baby face promoters loved to hat man. Drama in my God. Let's. Let's keep going here. He's GonNa get his chance in. June of seventy three. He breaks in the business when his brother. which I would think when you look at, it would look like it would be pronounced. Michael. But in fact, it's I. Believe it's pronounced Michel? called and told him a wrestler had been injured and a replacement was needed. Rick was still an amateur in school not trained professionally K. Fables very strict. Obviously seventy-three baby faces and heels never spoke. And couldn't even talk to his brother because he was a baby face and his brother was a he'll. But. He made it work that year and he wrestled over the summer and he went back to school that fall and after one and age seventeen he just decided to quit the wrestling bug had been in that bad. And he told the principal he was done. This is not advisable these days, boys and girls would you agree bruce? I would agree I would say go out there and get your education by Gaden do right and then decide what the hell you're GonNa do for the rest of it but I want I didn't do it but I preach to this day get your education. Well what you didn't do was get a college degree, but come on man you got at least finish high school. Well, I did that. Yes. I did do that. Just saying kids stay in school by. From seventy to eighty, rick is all over the territory's obviously this is sort of the heyday for them but he's going far and wide man New Zealand, Japan. Hawaii, Puerto, Rico, and of course, Stu Hart's Stampede. Wrestling What do you think that conversation? Would it sounded like Bruce is the Mission affected women new is it that is gay you call it. Michael. But Michelle. What your brother did. Comedian. Against the Dad Breath. As. Kid Dad. Yeah you do good with you. Get a beginning. Here. In December seventy seven. Chance to work with the world champion Harley race in Australia. And the finish, and this was a Finnish back then. The vertical SUPLEX are they picks up the win? and. Martel didn't really think much of the loss, but then Harley had the mass taped and wound being shown all over the states. and. You would think in this era that might have hurt rick but rick actually had the opposite effect and actually helped him. I know that seems sort of silly but back in the day. You know you didn't see clean finishes like that with to sort of. Up and coming or two big name talents. It was mostly enhancement matches, right? Well, it was a guy and I think that from Harley's point of view rick was somebody who could work and had a hell of a match with showcase both of their talents and is no crime to win or lose or anything else especially when you're losing the world heavyweight champion, it did nothing but. Showcase Martelli talents to promoters say fuck I want that kid. was able to work album match with champion and. Yes. Hardly could work with a broomstick, but it the same time rick was no broomstick and made even that much better. The next year his brother. Michel. Martel. Thurs shame abandoned Gone Day pootie saying can't Checa Blue yes. A Beatles song me shine and mob. Well, it's GONNA. Be Awkward. Follow that up because he god, in a match in Puerto, Rico. this is probably something I should have known bruce, but I had no idea. The Rick had a brother in wrestling before him and that fellow passed away in a ring. At Age thirty. Yeah in Puerto Rico and it was when you you go back and you look at the The history then and you look at some of the guys that him headline Puerto Rico from Frenchy Martin to Martel. It was a lot of the French Canadians made their name. In. ornery go for Carlos Cologne, it was a tough place to work, but it was. Yet. unfortunately, very tragic. Rick Actually told the Huffington post quote in the Seventies. There were so many riots people fighting. My brother had been shot. When he wrestled in Puerto Rico, you had to fight your way out of there many times tough things happen to heels back. Then people want waiting for the heels finding them at the bars people would wanna try you in Puerto. Rico. Brother passed away after a wrestling match on the way to the Hospital Puerto Rico was one of the toughest places in the world to wrestle. I gotTa tell you man when you hear. Stories, not not just that one but obviously the more famous brody one that. Probably everyone listening to this familiar with. It's not a wonder that so many talents. Never wanted to wrestle in Puerto Rico I mean, would you have wanted to do that? Well I think that also the same time you also have to weigh that against guys did WANNA work there because it was. An island where you could go and it was kind of a vacation spot. If you're just going into do spots in San Juan and the money was good. So, yes. There were a few tragedies there in. Yes. It could be tough place to work as a heel but I don't know that it was any tougher place to work, Than Louisville, Kentucky on a hot you know on hot finisher Houston Texas when you Shot a hot finishing people coming. From down from the rafters to get a piece of you. Rick mortels really going to gain some traction in Portland working for Pacific. Northwest. Wrestling and seventy nine. And W was an interview, a affiliated territory and. He held multiple titles there and he eventually leaves in the second half of eighty. But it's while he's here in Portland than it gets the call for Vince, McMahon Senior Hussein him on Atlanta's TV. and. Martell says the Vince wanted him to come to the WWF and told him to call him back when he was ready to come to New York in a few months later sure enough. Martell called him back. And it's worth noting that Rick Describes van senior as the man he enjoyed working for the most in his wrestling career quote. True to his word. Once he said something he went through that path you don't have to worry from week to week he may change his mind. He debuted on July eighth nineteen eighty from Allentown. Pennsylvania picking up a win over the hall of Famer Johnny Ron's it's a sunset flip that gets done and he's wrestling throughout July for the company. Bruce back in eighty. You were just a big wrestling fan. Chat me up what What were you hearing? What were you thinking about Rick Martel because I'm sure you heard about him or saul tape of emerge certainly saw in the magazines right? We'll. Yeah Weed seem in Houston he had actually worked territory of for Dallas in Houston. So I'd say Martell work liven rick now was coming through New York and I think he was teaming with Tony Korea. At the time and. Two young looking baby faces and That's always good to have on the card and you know thing about Vince senior which. Then stood it. What was unique events seniors when you came in and you started with Vince. You started and for the most part, you also had your ending date the day that you started. So. You knew when you're going to start you how long you were GonNa be there yet a general idea of how much money would make but you also knew when it was gonna come to an end. And you would work your way into the territory in over than you'd work your way out of the territory and that was one way thence was able to keep. That talent fresh all the time coming through there. Obviously, the top guys like Bruno were able to stay there for a long time A. Bob. Patterson is a he'll was able to stay and have a run on his a he'll but also baby face and later on announcer but that was the uniqueness of New York was that. You had an. When you started when you were going to end, there's no better time to say I love you in the most hated jeweler in America is added again you've heard of say, I hate Stephen. SINGER DOT COM Andy Purdis rave about his famous roses but Stephen Singer has been selling diamonds and bridal jewelry for four decades whether you have someone or something to celebrate. Stephen. Is there for you ready to take the next step Stephen has a ready for love engagement ring collection. That's no hassle. No risk expertly picked engagement rings that are ready to go don't worry Stephen won't. Let you mess this up. He's been selling online for over two decades but recently he's kicked everything. 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Opinions on the territory and him the promoter. Don Owens was was a standup Guy Don was one of those handful of promoters that the talent had a great deal of respect for you didn't always make a ton of money in Portland certainly more than Memphis but You had steady work. There was his brother his brother's name was Elton Owen. Knows that shit they will think as Elton but he Used to have. The shooter's championship and he would give the guys. picked. Two guys for example in Eugene Oregon. Go Out. Okay. This is the shoot of the night and whoever won the match would get twenty five bucks bonus. Guys still went out there and worked matching split the bonus. So could be a fun place to work and and Paul Per Sherman more famously known as playboy buddy rose without a doubt had one hell of a fuck and run in Portland. Talk to us a little bit about Johnny Rods. It's a name that we hear a lot of course. I think he trained Alot Brown and a bunch of other guys along the way but he's the WB Hall of Famer and. I think maybe I've got this wrong. But maybe once upon a time whereas we've talked about this a lot in the new generation Era Sean, Walton the one-two-three kid sort of became the the barometer of. This new talent as he legit, can he go or maybe not so much? Well Johnny was a tough son of a bitch man and Johnny was I. Think would a lot of people would virtues journeyman bright but he was a used journeyman that settled in the Northeast and Was a New Yorker He had gone. Done some stuff in Japan he ventured out and was. Java Rook. In Los Angeles one the every year in. L. A.. At the Olympic Auditorium. They would have this huge battle royal and the guy that won the battle royal was the anointed one. And that was who they were going to feature. You know get behind for. The immediate future. In Java Rukh who's Johnny Rods? He won the. Battle Royal, and then he left shortly thereafter. California one for him he went back to new. York. So was he sort of convinced Seniors Waldman his SORTA? You know I think a lot of times I gets you know that becomes folklore. Just. Johnny Rod was a tough guy that if you can't have a match, Johnny Rods, the chances are you can't have a match with anybody and Johnny would would put them through their paces in Johnny would push guys see how much they could take so. You know there's a lot of guys like that. That you could. Put a talent with and watch and see okay. How would they handle themselves with this and rods was definitely one of those guys could work with anybody and also great trainer. Martel in one, thousand, nine hundred and starts working against the wild samoans and he's got various partners here. But then he finally settles in with Tony Korea. Or whatever reason it just seemed to click and Rick says that his style blended with Tony's and If similar moves and Martin had a lot of fire and. They. Still have a good relationship. This is kind of a cool thing because I'll be honest. I didn't know much about Rick's I run here but in November of eighty at a house show at the spectrum in Philly. Green Rick Martel beat the wild Samoans to become the tag champs. and. That's not something that was even on my radar man when I think about him, I, think of him with Tito and then later as the model. But what did you think of that tag team because I have to admit I never saw it of him, Tony, Great Lord, Yeah Hell of a tag team it because they had a similar look they wore the blue tights with the red band around the waist and then red stripe on the side. So they they dress like a team that Russell like team and. Just got over like a million bucks and Tony, and and Martel. Very similar to Tito. In martell they clicked as tag team and really got over in the northeast. He's he's working with quite the array of time here I mean Fuji and Saito and. The. Moon dogs tag wrestling in nineteen eighty was wild was a not. Always. A little different. I think that there was your share especially in the northeast at that time of gimmicks. Rex Spot the moon dogs. Were unique looking pair. You also had the executioners killer Kowalski, big, John Stud, courses, smalls often seek and Saito Fuji. So it was there was definitely a plethora of. Talent work with. He's GonNa wind up doing some special tags with Andre, the giant which I guess since they both speak French maybe made sense I know we're sort of guess say. Relationship by did you know Andrea and ranked to be big pals? French. Yeah. I think that you know Andrei would. Go to folks spoke the same language and where he was able to communicate in his native tongue a little bit better. So Martel. And French Canadian and Audrey was French so they were able communicate. He becomes really good friends with Bob Ackland here he also enjoys the party scene and the nineteen eighties in New York City and he says it was unlike anything else he'd ever seen. And even says that There's a fun story of him being in a bar in Florida with your old pal Jerry. Briscoe and Bob Back Lyndon Toe and a big guy comes over and challenges all the wrestlers arm wrestle and eventually back on degrees and slams the guy's hand instantly, and then proceeds the painfully slam his hand over and over into the table and just beat his knuckles bloody until L. Are you gonNA leave us alone now? And that is something. So out of character from my perception of what Bob Backlash was the did you ever see Bob ever really get hot like that in real life? Thank God no, because Bob if. You were to push bob too far really quiet very respectful. Nice Guy. But if you were to push too far, man could do just about anything that he wanted to to you. And there was only so much bob was going to take. So I say that say that I've seen him. The light switch turn. but thank God I never I never got to see it Completely turn on all the way to where Bob did something about it. I think the people that knew anything about Bob Boecklin realized. You're only going to be able to push him so far. Believe it or not the next as we know the next big world champion here for the company, it's going to be Hulk Hogan, but Martel even worked with him during this run. But here Hulk Hogan in the W.. W. W. F., is a he'll. And both went to Minneapolis, around the same time as well. MORTELS GONNA stay with Hogan and become his roommate during that period. I guess he's probably in the spot that brutus the fucking barber beefcake would have been in normal circumstances. But this is where hoc you know really becomes a superstar in the AWA mass before rocky three comes out. And they have a good relationship and rick's as Hogan never changed even when he became a big star, he was the same guy always handle him the same way. It's just so amazing to me that we're not even to the part of his career that I'm familiar with and he's done a lot as not. Yeah Rick was had a l. of a career and the other thing that. You'll find in all this I don't know. Anybody. I don't know of anybody that would have anything bad to say about Rick. Martel either. Hymns a class guy dealt with everybody the same and he was very friendly Guy I never had a problem with guy. Nick Balk. Winkle is the guy who helped to recruit Rick Martel away from the WB after come work for the AWA. And he was not happy. Martell said he just did not enjoy working for Verne Ganja and even described it as going from silk to Sandpiper when you're comparing working for Vince senior to earn. And he says that his experience was vern was always bitter and yelling at everybody it wasn't happy with the money or the days he worked. was just not in a good mood but martel did enjoy matches and he did enjoy his pay. Didn't. Exactly Click with fern. I feel like usually when people talk about working for Verno maybe I'm way off base and maybe some of this has changed since he's passed away. But feels like people talk about him. In glowing terms is that really just if they were trained by them. That I'm hearing that mostly or is that the? Pastor I don't even know that many people that were trained by that would speak Vernon glowing terms I'm sure there. Yes. There are definitely people that do but I think for the most part. The guys that worked for him underneath the The talent that was not. Verne's guys. You know what I mean that he did train or that had been in Minneapolis forever vern could be tough to work with from all the stories that have heard through the years most of the former wrestlers. That became promoters and had their own territories down like the she kind of like Dick. The bruiser. And Vern, Roy shires out in San Francisco they. They had a reputation for not always treating talent. In the way, the talent would prefer to be treated I. think they a fence Bill Watts they count bullies and and try to be tough guys. So burn man I remember listening to Bobby Heenan Jack. Lanza just tell horror stories about working for burn. Well, I, guess I'll maybe been listening to too much Eric Bischoff lately. Let's talk about the next big SORTA forecast fall probably. Let's talk about the next big fork in the road for rig. He's got an opportunity. He's really happy with the AWA it's going to get back to Montreal. But. Then he gets the call that. Earn says, Hey I was planning on putting the belt on you. And he'd even been booked a tour with Andrei by Vince, senior. So he felt like man or go to the Montreal thing, go to Japan but. I kinda would like a chance to be the top guy. So he makes the difficult choice to stay with the AWA which probably upset Vince even further and he says, he even remembers Vince McMahon that we know junior even though he's not junior calling personally to ask them to reconsider. But Martel lays it out that. You know it's a world title run versus a tour of Japan with Andrei. And as we know on May Thirteenth Nineteen eighty-four Martell became the AWA world. Champion. It is sort of fun to think about though. You know what if he came over right then He could have been a part of the whole rock and wrestling thing and. I don't know it feels like he had some leverage right there to do something but for whatever reason. It didn't happen if you had a fantasy book, what do you think that would've looked like martel going over. And think I think that Rick would have been In the role very similar to what Tito Santana was in I don't think I'd rick wouldn't have been the champion and. That was something that vern had. I, think that Verne looked at rick is an attraction and different from what they had had in the past with. Nick, Balk Winkle, and vern being the champions. Think, they've already done the experiment with Auto Vons. But it was Maybe auto came a little bit later but I don't think and I know from Verne's point of view at least later that. May Not have been the right guy to to put the world championship on not that he wasn't a good champion or anything like that. But it didn't. It didn't really do anything to spark the crowds and. To make any big difference which I think they were trying to do. Martell is going to win the world title here in the Awa with Steve Austin's old moved stun gun followed by cross body block off the ropes. And this is the air where everything was sorta called in the ring. In the aftermath after the win, he's interrupted bobby the brain. Heenan and Nick Bockel and they're gonNA demand title shot for Nick. And It's kind of fun to see this because. You get to see Bobby Heenan and the future model here, and you even see Ken resnick think is the guy doing the interview we're going to see later in the WWF. It's just remarkable how much talent went through the W. A. That went right through fingers. They again, but they were also, you know I think for A. Verne didn't see that. Right you know burn vern wanted a wrestler's wrestler. Because that's vern was, and I think that everybody that vern had in his territory to some degree, he wanted them to be modeled after his model. And a lot of former racers will do that they. They want somebody. What they had. You know that wrestler's wrestling that's will worked in the Mid West and for the Awa Nick Boxing. was an intelligent he'll. Great World Champion and could work with anybody and everybody. But then. It just was it was different in a guy like, Hulk Hogan comes in and gets over because he is so radically different than anything else that had been presented at that time. So Verne, no exactly what the hell to do with it right because. It's A. It's a challenge to the nor and MLS number six, five, zero, eight, four, equal housing lender. Save. With Conrad Dot Com just helped a family just like your secure an interest rate in the twos for a mortgage you're overpaying right now if you're in a thirty year loan or if you have an interest rate in the threes, fours five sixes are you waiting for keep more of your own money before it's too late to just last week? 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Don't know the right fit for him and eighty four. What do you remember about? Michael having a singles ruin is working punch fucking hurt. Jesus Christ I'd rather hand in fucking hall often just punched me in the mouth is hard as he could cause fucking work in punches will brutal. But look and Michael we we always get Michael Hard time. He's not he's not the greatest worker in the world, but he was without a doubt, one of the greatest talkers in the world and add charisma the as the knew how to talk people into a building. Right so some of the the quote, Oh, my God four, hundred, seventy, thousand stars in the Tokyo Dome and one time they were Oshkosh yoke do we and they had this matching what forty nine minutes and the rooftop there were. No hang on. It's different. It's different of will guys can do a bunch of moves in different things Michael knew how to work move Michael Knew how to draw? Yeah. So that's the difference guitar. Through sure. Yes. He did he good and he did. Well. He's GonNa wind up he being right Martell. RUN OUNCE BY? Working with Boris Sukhov Jerry Lawler, Larry, his VISCO, pretty notable opponents, but perhaps on bigger. Than October twenty, first nineteen, eighty five this went down in Tokyo Japan and it's decided to have an AWA versus in w a world title match. Rick Martel on one side Ric flair on the other. And Martel said he had a lot of respect for flair what he did and he thought they had a great match and of course, after thirty four minutes both are counted out. But still that's kind of a big deal. That's almost like after MAG level stuff, there is not. Yeah was from time to time different promoters like Eddie Gram in Florida Vince did it in New York where they had the champion versus champion stuff and It was always heralded. His is big deal until after while the after mags I think in my opinion at least from wrestling fan. you didn't have the the rag sheets gossip column sheets shows that time. So you read what you read the magazines. Every champion versus champion match like that. Ended in. Either a time limit draw. Account out or a double disc there was never a Finnish never village. And but for the market for the individual market that that worked. When word got out at least. Probably in the minority because everybody didn't read wrestling magazines It's it's a small vocal minority. He's to me. It was like you know they're not gonNA. They're not going to unify the titles are not gonNA. Just wondering what double finish they're going to do on this match right still it was great to watch the the champions go at it. Well he's GONNA get tired of being champion. He's going to hold the bell for about a year and a half and he says he's tired of working for Verne who he felt like was making things difficult for no reason. But the real reason I'm sure is Verne's losing market share Vince is expanding and taking over and. Martel police as a result, burn was an awful boss. And he starts being program to work with Stan Hansen. Roller. Coaster works a series of matches Hanson and always found himself with some extra bruises and bumps plan for. But on December twenty ninth at the meadowlands in East Rutherford. New Jersey Martell drops the title to Hanson. Listen depending on who you believe some people say. It's not stands fall he was just blind as a bat. and. Then your old pal. JBL. Sometimes. Questions that like maybe saying Hanson was just to say this Mike to hurt motherfuckers. Let's say you. I think he's combination of both but Stan was the type of guy that if you fought him in hitting back as hard as he hit you, he would loosen up and work with you. So. I think that stand with just want to get in there and see all right which got in kid you're gonNA fight me back and if you fight me back, then we can go out and have a match if not I'm GonNa fucking guzzle you. And Lot old-timers were like that. But that worked for Stan and Stan was unique talent. But yeah, he was he was blind as a bat. It's like Doug it. I don't think doug ask mean bone in his body I, mean, he could but you know. Jim duggan's Great Guy Ryan a helvin attraction but Jim was blind as a bat and Jim would. Fuck consuming that two by four. It was up to you to get out of the way right and how you were going to take it sometimes Jim with their those close lines and shit and chess be off a little bit. He'd do it. I know Duggan didn't do it to say, Hey, hit me back or anything it's just Jim sometimes misjudge. But same time on the other side of it he was ellen worker to sustain will stand but Yes dan, rough you up if you let him. Well. Let's talk about what's next you know once mortels done with the AWA. he says Dino Bravo had part ownership with Gino Brito in the Montreal territory and he goes to work with. Bravo, despite hearing some negative things. Etta time. About working in the territory and with Tino specifically. But he said he enjoyed it and actually wanted to buy in. And he had some some booking experience from working in Hawaii with Peterman via. Let's take a timeout right there and talk about two things. One how? Common was it. For one of the quote Unquote Boys. To help with some of the book in a territory like Peterman. Let. Martell do along the way. It would it would really depend on the territory in lot of times that The owner of the territory would either be the booker, but they bring someone in to help them with the book for example, for its von on Eric in Dallas Fritz booked a lot of his own stuff, but he brought Gary Hart in two. To Book. The programs and bring the talent in what have you guys had the different crews. So if someone had. Had Talent or showed initiative. In that area, there were a lot of promoters would say, Hey, we'll show so that with being. Let's. Let's write some TV in and help me book some of the towns and who do you know that might fit in and work here hero well. And just like that, they're off to the races. Or maybe not so much because it doesn't actually wind up doing anything here in Montreal. or it doesn't last very long rather because bar early eighty six he's headed back to the then WWF. We haven't spent a lot of time talking about Montreal and a half to admit until I saw dark side of the ring last year and I didn't really know very much at all about the territory other than the fact that there was one. What are you? What can you share with us about the Montreal territory that maybe we haven't touched on before. You know I really don't know all that much about it was just another territory in there was Toronto and then there was Montreal and that was you know the the French Canadian side of the business up there on the eastern. Canadian side, but it was. Kinda. How you say this they were very territorial, right? By they had their guys and they like to use the. French Canadians very loyal people and they love their own right and they're they're very at least my experience is been. They're very anti-american and anti anyone else isn't French Canadian. Well, yeah. Maybe not anti just a huge. fucking anti okay. I was trying to help a little bit and so maybe it was just proud of you know they're just proud of their country they really are and it's actually. One of those things that you can't fault them for because they are proud of the country, but sometimes it can be. If you are an American that does not speak French and French Canadian particularly. It was a tough place to to be if you didn't have someone with you to Kinda. Greece if you will. In French. Let's talk about him. Coming back to the WWF says he has a secret meaning plan and he's going to take a plane to meet Vince Junior. WHO's the boss at this point? Of course and Martell says he suggests the can am connection with Tom. Zinc zinc just worked with Martel and Marjorie all and he had taken a liking to him and dino. Of course, it's high when he hears about the secret meeting. Of course, he ends up in the company and eighty six as well. These secret trips these have become legendary over the years. You know we're not going to tell anybody. We're going to go have the private meeting with Vince and it feels like nine times out of ten. Vince. Got His an right. Well secret meetings the you didn't want the guy that's working for know that you're GonNa go meet with another promoter right and that was just common sense out of anything I don't know that it was as much. Cloak and dagger is a lot of people who like to romanticize about it. Was You know a meeting they've go out to dinner and meet somewhere and talk and discuss business. But. If that didn't work out, you never wanted the guy that you were currently working with to know that, hey, this guy's over you're trying to get a job in New York. And that's where the. Clandestine meetings and all this stuff come into play. The Rick is back with the WWF. He's GonNa be on superstars making TV debut at least on October twenty eight, nineteen, ninety-six. He's still tagging with Tom Zink here they're going to pick up a win over Steve Lombardi an ironically enough moondog spot is all POW. Or maybe not so much. This is the The first time that superstars of wrestling. Had the superstars of wrestling banner in the WF, banner hung from the rafters I know that's a random piece of trivia but we get questions about this all the time I think a lot of fans grew up with those rafters hanging from the ceiling and For whatever reason they just went out of fashion with Vince over the years assume. Well Trans and Electron IX. What have you got? It took over wrestlemanias signs giant electric. Lit Up signs are much more impressive than the wrestling challenge in wrestling superstar Saturday night main event banners used to hang and ballitser for Gigli across the arena and it was at this time that they made the decision that we are. We're no longer GONNA do. TV and Hamburg Pennsylvania and what have you we are now going to tour we're going to go out and we're going to do our television show all over the country. And that was the syndicator properties and they had a look the. was very specific to each show. That November Martell you are going GonNa work against the Tag Champs, the British dogs at the forum in Montreal. And get this. The bulldogs are having to work as heels in the match because of how Popular Martel and zinc were. I mean was ripped mortell like maybe the low-key original bret. Hart is he like a big Canadian hero in this era? Again Montreal's different. Yeah it's just different. and. It was more a matter of how that audience was GonNa Take Rick Martel, they knew. and. He was one of them. So the audience was there they're very loyal gotta gotTa hand it to them. They're they're very loyal and and you can't. You just not GonNa Change at. One eighty seven starts they're working against Greg, Valentine, and Brutus beefcake also working against the Hart Foundation. Demolition. Iron Sheik and Volkov. Of course, wrestlemainia three opens with Rick Martel and Tom zink winning the very first match picking up a win over Don Morocco and Bob Morton Junior. And then the split with zinc happens. And I guess We can really start to dig in because you're actually. Part of the organization here. They're teaming until July ninth when they had their last mass together they defeated the islanders there. But starting July eleventh zinc would be substituted with various parties for Martell. After leaving the company, I believe over a disagreement overpay. Remember hearing about this split and and what the real deal was. You. Know I. I think that everybody's going to have their own version of it. I think that Tom kind of had a little bit higher opinion of himself and also at the same time. I. Believe that Tom was Kinda being romance from down below in the south as well. a come on in here you should be a single edition. You shouldn't be part of a tag team and my God you're GonNa be the next. The next big thing you know Tom had a great luck was a hell of a worker. But As far as what actually happened on I really don't know because. There's just a lot of rumor innuendo out there but it could be one of many things and it just didn't work out in the end and add the. Plan. B.. Manner. Everyone waking up on the weekend watching a little wrestling challenge superstars and that got me going made my weekend. And it was always company with a big bowl degree cereal. 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A think before Tom passed away he did a radio interview recent something like. Reasoning quit is because he found out right Martell had a different deal than him. That's at least what he believed. and. He felt like he was only getting fifty dollars an i. that's all he was guaranteed rather. any for lucky was being manipulated and he said, you know when it came time for finishes. Zinc was always the guy taking the pin never martell. And he had to do all the selling and just let Martell have the comeback so. Clearly, Tom, was kind of bitter about how this happened. and. Martel even says it might not have worked out, but it was maybe his fall accidentally. He says out of have it, and this is the way it's always been in business. You don't talk about your pay. And he says the old timer he was trying to pump zinc up and he also says that Linda advances request help Tom get a mortgage from the local bank. And then things come to a head when zinc refuses to adhere to the new dress code is wearing jeans. Are. Tells GonNa chew him out for the first time ever, and then zinc quits the next day by Riding Martell memo. and. Martel said he flew to Tom's home with Jack Lanza and tried to convince them to return but Tom just flat refused. And well. Rick is not very. High on Tomsic these days. That's a wild story man that. The guys disagree and just fuck this I'm quitting. Yeah. But but I also think that there were other elements and other factors at play there. I could see all of that happening every single bit of it. But. I also think there were people stirring up Tom and getting Tom worked up. To think that hey, man you deserve so much more. This guy's using you this guy you know he's he's been working out ten years in needs. The young needs a young. To go out and do all the bumps form save is career Shit Rick wasn't that fucking Ole that point. Let's talk about what's next for him now that he's without a partner. He's GonNa work some Solo matches and he's going to have some substitutes but then eventually he gets a permanent tag team partner in Tito. Santana. And they were heavily that fall with the islanders who at the time were managed by Bobby Heenan. And this is going to a big deal martell says he comes up with the name strikeforce. Based on an interview where Tito was missing as a team they're going to. BE STRIKING WITH FORCE SO strike forces the name based on that Tito And they even begin using girls in cars as their theme of the piledriver album, which was I believe originally meant for the can am connection. What was it about Tito? That made him just the right fit for Rick Martel. I think just timing and I think that the two guys really gelled together Mess I. Remember it was Vincent Actually came up with the name, but the the girls in cars was something that was going to be used for the canam connection. And I don't think we'd actually debuted it yet for the canam connection but. Then it was perfect for strikeforce and Tito and Rick. Cars. Girls in cars. Girls in car that was shot. Out in San Francisco on the Pacific, what is it the Pacific Iway? Gimmick out there. Robby. Do Pre the Pacific Coast highway the pch yeah. And Robbie pre was the singer that he Yeah. Nice Guy. Let's fast forward to November seventh on superstars ricker going to win the tag belts from the heart foundation. And a backstage, the New Hampshire going to celebrate with the President Jack. Tony Bam Bam Hillbilly Jim and J. Watt D. This is Kinda fun that we used to have baby-faced celebrations if it was like a staple here in this era. I guess might be the first time I. Remember it being a big thing. Actually Hogan's win where Andres back there helping him celebrate with Champagne. Why advance or or the dines or whoever really liked that shot do you think just to cement in the fans is hey, we just saw something special and he's baby face. Yeah. Depending on who they who was I? Mean we did with heels to her just a nice is celebration in the Bat. Make. It special. on the November twenty sixth airing of prime time wrestling, which was taped three weeks earlier Sam Haas Sam Houston Coliseum. Rick and Tito defeat the islanders and about thirteen minutes after the match. A guy named Bruce Prichard interviews, Jimmy Hart and the Hart Foundation on the stage with Jimmy demanding a title shot at the next. Houston show on December eleventh martel and Santana except. And it's kind of an interesting trio when you go back and watch that show because it's you Mike mcgurk and Pete Doherty on commentary. We haven't talked a ton about that. What a what a Weird Group of folks on. Commentary. Still think that was a rib on me. I'll never forget. being on a plane. We're coming back from. Houston back to New York, and Vince looks at me how much talent work could be done? And I didn't know exactly what the hell he was talking about and. I've done the localized interviews in the mid South, which was essentially plugging the town and holding the microphone for the guys to talk. and. I had done. A little bit of color. When I say a little bit of color, I can count the matches on one hand. But I'd never done play by play. Right? So I said Yeah I you know I I've done three or four matches of color but now lot mainly been the stick man doing localized interviews. Is. But you could probably be play by play as I've. I don't know. Got Ninety. Like for you to be the. Love. The host and do play by play for the Houston shows will use those for primetime an all American, and and what have you in our international properties? And I've got an idea like to. Put. You. With. A Guy. He's a journeyman. was. One of our. Enhancement Towel Neo Great Great Guy Great Guy Pete Doherty the Duke of Dorchester. quite a characters got strong Bach Boston accent and those people in Texas will hate is accent. That gift to Gavin I think he'd be able to get get some good stuff out of him. And then I have. A female in mind Mike mcgurk I knew Mike. I'm looking I'm like Oh shit and he says I'd like to try her. Is it like in an analyst role? So you would you would lead these two and you would. Be Traffic. Control. And you do play by play pizzas a little cooler than you guys. Bring bike in from time to time she's pleasant looking woman and. Nice. Very Southern charm about. Okay. So you got to southerners and a a Boston I doing this shit. None of us had ever. Perform those roles before in our life until the first time that we did it Houston. Taping wow. and. It was God awful. You want to hear some really bad commentary. And some really bad color analyst and Shit go back and listen to the shit that I didn't eighty, seven, eighty eight. About let's talk about another weird combination. This was on the MSG network. It's A. Strikeforce against the Hart, Foundation and commentary at Gorilla. Monsoon Lord Alfred. Hayes and Nick Boxing. That just feels like favorite dream. It was real. It was we were trying to do something with Nick. Tooth thought the Knicks vocabulary in way with words might. Be Translate into a color commentator did not. Well, we know we're going to see him at survivor series eighty seven, which we've done a show on long form. He's a part of the giant twenty man tag team match the most crowded match you'll ever see. and then on the January second hundred eighty, eight Saturday night's main event Martel and Santana working as tag match against wool coffin off. And they go two out of three falls here. But. That's really not what's most famous. What's most famous is Santana and Martel making an appearance, the same night that Andre, the giants going to attack whole Cogan following his win over King Kong Bundy. It's going to be a big night. In early, Eighty, eight strikeforces going to keep working with our foundation including a February fifth NBC show that we've talked a lot about the main event strikeforce beats the hearts when Martel, pins Brett by. Blocking sunset flip. It's the last match on the show and you even see it as the credits are rolling. that's a pretty monumental show to be on and the sort of be the last thing you see. that's kind of cool spot to have. Yes, we probably would like to have seen a few more minutes of it. Unfortunately. It's live television sometimes shit happens. So it was but we did get the finish in. We finish him for the credits finished. That's good thing we're doing some fun. How shows around this time? It's six man tag strikeforce and Macho Man on one side I'll talk with Hart. Foundation on the others but then Wrestlemainia for strikeforce has cheated out of the titles by demolition about eight minutes after smash pins, Martell wants access accents, hit martel over the back of the head with Fuji's cane behind the referee's back. But in the following months, we would have returned matches all over the place. In eventually, they injure Rick Martel on prime time wrestling taped on June first and Oakland and aired on July eleventh. And Demolition would perform their demolition decapitation finisher on him at ringside that leaves him unconscious on the floor. And it would be announced on superstars that he suffered injuries and a concussion. And in the storyline, he's going to briefly retire due to the injuries. But in reality, he's granted a leave from the company and he's going to take six months off the take care of his severely ill wife. What do you remember about him taking some time off the road here to take care of family business. Well, again, it was right thing to do. It was something that Rick felt very strongly about me needed to be with his family at time and his wife was ill something rick wanted to do and Vince fully supported it. Yet, she winds up having part of small intestine removed and He. He says when he went to meet with Vance and told him that he needed to go home to be with his wife. Of course we all have maybe a certain expectation, but he said he was shocked. At how Vince was so understanding. And he told Rick allegedly there's no doubt. The only place you need to be with your wife so There you go. Not all bad stuff. You hear about OV- any MAC. January third nineteen, eighty, nine rick. Martel is back and he's going to pick up a win over Barry Horowitz with the Boston crab in two minutes and forty four seconds and good old Huntsville Alabama. Is going to wrestle. Mr. Perfect to a time limit draw on prime time wrestling airs on February six as we build towards Wrestlemainia. He's still staying in the singles masses. But. Then on April, second at Wrestlemainia strikeforce reunites for the first time in ten months. But of course, unfortunately defeated by the brain busters. And there's A. Pretty interesting moment late in the bout, martell walks out on his partner Santana after accidentally hitting him with the flying forearm and after the contest Gino Colon does a backstage interview with Martel about his actions and Martel claims he was just sick of Santana trying to ride his coattails. which is Kinda funny because they haven't even team together for ten months but. I guess we're not supposed to remember that but this storyline or this little angle wrestlemania five. I remember like it was yesterday because I used to wear this tape out. It was a big moment in both of their careers even though they hadn't been taming. We can you tell us about how we got there with that idea? Well the idea was really WanNa pat. Patterson's thinking that Martel being an arrogant heel. would work. So it's like, okay. Let's let's bring him back. People did remember strikeforce, and if you're. GonNa turn he'll turn heel on a popular baby face the likes of. Tito Santana someone than everyone loved Ryan would care about. So reunite the team and then have martell walk in to your point counted the ridiculousness. Of. Rick you've appeared you on my coattails. Rick. You've been off for six months what have you? So it, it just It was lot easier transition in put rick right into a program with Tito they had chemistry and great matches. Thing down look who's heart Brazil so hard so very hard thing down his Boehner's not dead. Yeah Lucci Dot. com, sponsoring show again, and I'm trying to find creative ways to get your attention. All right because we've been talking about blue. Mount. Wonder. Waiting for go to blue dot com right now and use Promo Code Wrestle see hardware and get your Ding Dong. All right. 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The being the gentleman that I am I just walked off. That could have been a lot worse for you Tito Santana. And it's kind of fun because I think Rick in an interview once where he said that Vincent Pat didn't really see him as a heel they thought no, one would buy it. and. Martell says he even threatened to quit offense wouldn't at least let him try it. And even gave his notice and few days later gets a call from Vince and PAT and they're a little more willing. So he gave them to come to TV, but they wanted to do baby face promos again. So he tries to quit again. This time Vince calls him home and come to an agreement that he'll turn heel but vince says he needs a gimmick. And martell says. Really thought about that. This is something that has always fascinated me when one of the boy sort of put their foot down and says, nope, that's not what I want for my character. I, mean famously allegedly. said in a meeting once with Vincent says something are here's Hey I want you to be my next all Hogan. And apparently seems like I'd rather be a heel and that just I don't know amazes me Mike what a prime spot. Why do you think? Martell felt. So strongly that he wanted to be a heel and he couldn't get it, he was going to quit. It wanted to be healed because he I don't think he'd ever been to heal before. Right and it was a challenge to him. It was something he felt he could pull off with the personal issue with Tito and look who doesn't want to be a he'll. Be In a heels just so much easier than. And it's baby face. Well he's GonNa Samantha's He'll turn on April twenty second when he's introduced a slicks latest protege of course, in this era of the company if you're a bad guy, you've got a manager. From there, of course, he's feeding Tito over the next year losing to him in the finals of the King of the ring. Tournament in October in Rhode Island. And his eighty nine comes to close. The decision is made to end Martellus association with slick. Talk about why he felt slick was the right guy and ultimately why those separation? In a run its course I don't know that slick did. really anything. Positive from our tell it was A. A pairing let everyone know the mar tells now he'll because he has a heel manager. and. It just to me it just didn't work. Plus the idea of the of the model candidate started. Man I absolutely fucking love this model character. Though I do WanNa mention they November twenty third survivor series and eighty nine dusty Rhodes Bruce beefcake. Tito Santana and the Red Rooster on one side. Big Man Honky, Tonk man bad news, Brown Rick Martel on the other. Man. That's a lot of talent. A Lot Hall of famers. And Red Rooster. Around the same time Martel starts to position himself as a fashion model and even referred to as fashion model rick. Martel. And he appears on the interview stage wearing clothing some fancy suited and booted gear here and Lord Alfred Hayes, it's going to describe this beautiful, Atar his very British tone of voice. And during the appearances marseils coat was cut up by Brutus, the barber beefcake, and that sets the two of them up for a program and early ninety and somewhere along the way they dropped the word fashion. And just start referring to him as the model. And Martel even admits at first he wasn't sold on the idea but his wife reminded him at least it's not a rooster. That Gimmick was already taken somebody flubbed it. What do you think of the Model I? Absolutely love the vignettes would just saw some of those on a bonus show that you and I watched Saturday night's main event but. Dude this is great stuff I love the character I can't believe he was even remotely hesitant. Yeah the character was great in the buildup in the vignettes and everything else about it were great and gave Rick something to sink his teeth into. the accent. Comes across as very arrogant and and he could talk down his nose at people Little. Insight to the model that in the beginning to actually all through it Martell war lot of Vince. Is Old suits. It had them against game suits very similar embody tight. and Marcel Adam tailored to fit himself and. So, when you go back and you look in some of the shit that martel was wearing and especially in the The Suit Department or? From Vince McMahon. How about that? January. We get the royal rumble marseils got another digging in on Tito Santana by helping eliminate him and Santana was attempting to throw martell out of the ring but. Of course, ultimately, Warrior would be the guy who martell he still working Brutus beefcake on house shows he never interacts with him on pay per view besides survivor series eighty nine. I guess this is just that different where you really made your money set up how show matches, right? Live events was the bread bonner. That's that was your business model and pay per views were a special event. But she spent your television time and everything else building up to the live event model. Things. Really GONNA get cooking here, February Tenth Nineteen Ninety on superstars we see rick appear on this show called the brother love show. And this is where would introduce the world to his own fictional brand of Cologne arrogance. Often carries it to the ring and a large Atta miser and sprays it in the eyes of his opponents to blind him. Regularly. Getting himself to huge but sometimes picking up a win that way too. and. The baby face commentators are always saying how bad smells and the heels are acting like they loved it. Tammy up what were you guys actually putting in these arrogance gimmicks. Evidence. Goddamn spring water year Long No. I love you for that. Lynnwood throw in some just bad pallone shift so that the folks around ringside could smell. Some brutal actually smell good. Some watered-down, brute. Good Shit Terada I'm best used to wear some fucking truecar back in the day. Didn't you? saw. The it all the time in the company Martell makes us singles pay per view match debut at Wrestlemania six beating Coco beware with the Boston crab, it's pretty remarkable to think that. He turned heel the year before, and during all that time he's still never had a singles match on pay per view. The. April twenty eighth edition. is where we started. Pay Per views matches on that time in nineteen, eighty nine or whatever they argue that I'm just saying is fears removed from being the Awa World Champ one of the last ones against the mannered but. Still. Here he is here and we mentioned him earlier the vignettes are going to start airing. Saturday nights main of April twenty eighth. He's riding horseback. He's picking up a couple of women he's driving off with them in a convertible. This has had your fingerprints all over it. You love these type of skits and I think everybody listening to this grew up on. Absolutely it was a way to just. We had the the Cologne we actually I think we. I. Think we did sell it maybe maybe not I don't know we did other Cologne ship and we were going to sell. We were actually going to bottle and sell arrogance man that would have been. So fucking great. On sell the big atomised though shared out to somebody who's listening to this who has a Cologne business my DM's are open and I got an idea here. on August Eleventh Summer Slam report an the Tito Santana and Rick Martel is finally going to happen at Summer Slam. For several weeks, we're getting all the hype for this match and then on August twenty six, this announce that the warlord would replace Rick Martel in the mass did were previous modeling engagement. And so now warlord works with Tito. Roller gets the win and five and a half minutes with the running power. Slam. By the way, the announcement is made on the twenty sixth. The show is the twenty seventh. One I give us the payoff to the Santana Martell view summer slam here. Didn't need to. A while promoted and then not do it. Because it was a way to promote just a he'll move nobody was paying for that match. Okay. That's fair and it was a way to just get the arrogance of the model, Rick Martel that he pulls out at the last minute and I want to say that there was some supermodel at the time that had done something wrong. Show okay. Now he's this big supermodel and he just no shows. Dislike that other guy who good. Yeah Yeah I think it was actually a female but still I mean I get it now. Now, that's a great explanation. Following, Summer Slam Rick begins to regularly appear on the brother love show. and. He's at the beginning of the segments before brother Love's bring main guests for the week and a special report segment on. September. Thirtieth showed mortels appearances on the brother love show each time spraying his arrogance Cologne. And he explained he only shared arrogance for people who deserve it. Like his friend brother love. How much fun did you have working only segments with rig? Loved it because we would always come up with some kind of different bullshit to do it was The Fun thing about brother love at the time was I would literally produce it in directed is I was walking to the podium. I would walk in Tim Walberg the hand held camera, and I forget the other one was, but they would walk with me shooting and I would be telling them exactly. Okay I'm GonNa do this. I'm going to do that here. Start here come around to my left I work to you that I'm going to turn back over here and I was just walk out and and give it to them on the way to the to the podium before I would start. So it was just fun shit to do. That we would try and come up with different ways to. Showcase Martell. Did you. Mean you haven't talked about this a while but. Is You have to I mean you didn't have a script back then this is just you free Stalin. I usually had a lot of scripts. Okay. You know what I mean here's my question I guess do you have to run run any of that by anybody? Would you just talk it with three with vents or something or not so much? Talk no I just did it. I was I. Mean at the time I was in charge of the of the shows as well. Brush side of things so. If he wanted to change it he and that. Brogden obviously could. Change Alcohol we cut the damn thing, but it was just that's what I did. Oregon Audubon. Why knew what I knew and a lot of times? It's just you. You think at the last minute or coming up with Shit. Right. Well the October sixth edition. Of the brother love show on superstars. We see Rick Martel. Have a pretty interesting meeting with Jake the snake. During the appearance mortels GonNa spray the snake bag with the Cologne Jake stops him several times before getting frustrated with him going to grab him. Then he gets sprayed riding the eyes. And the boss man several officials come out to try to tend to jake with boss man throwing water and Jake's is to wash out this Cologne. And over the following weeks, marseils going to apologize saying he didn't spray it and Jake's is on purpose. But. We see footage of Jake Roberts damage dob completely white. With Roberts big excruciating pain. Dude. This is some great. I know it. Silly stupid. She doesn't age well. But man kids. Still, awesome I love to do I was a kid this was the coolest story ever. Yeah it was it was nice because everybody could relate to get something in your eye. And I like just you can't see a damn thing and you're Kinda, help listen. For Those Spray, Cologne, you've got your eye before you can. Imagine the pain the fucking Barney nsen sation logist. Thanks place in your is going through and seeping into your pores actually into your brain dunes bucket damage serious shit. All right fellows. If you know, there's one debate Rusen I still have to this day. It's about who is the official dog of something to wrestle now foolishly he thinks that it's all about his dog Roger And I think he's got one name Rowdy. What a silly. What he needs to know and acknowledge is that ginger and baby or the official dogs official tag team champions of the Canine. Signed thing or something to wrestle. Something Bruce and I definitely agree on is that we love our dogs and if you're listening to this and you're. Talking about it's just hard to put into words how important these little dogs and they become part of our family. 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Remember solid gold pet dot com slash wrestled. On the October twenty seventh edition of the brother Love Show martill is once again. GONNA be here, and he's giving the the blinded Jake Roberts a walking stick to help him out. Roberts comes out. kind very kind. Ironically, he's got Tony Korea helping him here. And marseils GonNa Tease and then slapped Jag before being led away by ficials. Jake thinking he has martell grams, brother love and DDT's straight into the floor. that that was probably not the way you hope tonight we go that day I had to guess. Great. I'll fuck it. Loved it. Tell everybody the the the trick taking today Tae. Turn your head pancake out. But know it's A. Yeah, it's it's to me wasn't that difficult but jake showed me how to do it. So you just. Take your mom in love it. You know yet doesn't hurt Shit Azure so hurts but For me will say. Well it's on, it's We've got a whole feud now and on November eleventh wrestling challenge bartels going to defeat Tito by Q. WanNa Blinded Jake Roberts comes to the ring and mistakenly attacks Santana thinking he was Martell. After the Bell Santana's GonNa give Roberts the microphone. Who says he's going to get rid martell. And Survivor series ninety it's the visionaries versus the Vipers Bartels GonNa. Captain Team here with warlord Paul Roma and Hercules and they're going to take on the vipers led by Jake Roberts and he's got the rockers Jimmy Snuka with them. I like this concept especially since we have the ultimate match survival, we've talked about that before. But it winds up being. All of bartels team visionaries taking on Hulk Hogan the ultimate warrior of all people. Tito Santana. Are tells cound out of the match when he walks out. Though. It's cool to see rick. A cool spot here and work in this last match and is not even taking a pen. He just walks out. Because he's the model. In. Late, November eating late November and early December Jason Martell working how show masses against each other. And we even see Martell working somehow show matches against a very young Dustin Rhodes. And something happened during Nineteen Ninety said he became more interested in managing is commercial real estate investments and he had used the money he made over the years in the wrestling business. Bob Bunch of investment properties and he Obviously, it's more and more. Comfortable in that space. He was a slum Lord. Okay No Rick, any purchase lots of stuff and it became. That became a full-time job as well. Tram. Rumble Ninety one we see martell eliminate Jake Roberts from the match with a snap mayor over the ropes and Martel then goes to set on a to set a record. I guess record at the Tom. He's in the masks for fifty three minutes before he was eliminated by the British bulldog. And now here's a weird moment. On the February sixteenth nineteen. Ninety. One superstars. Martell defeats Tommy Landale with the Boston crab in one minute and fifteen seconds. But then an unknown masked man comes to the ring attacks Martel and then leaves. It's the debut of the Mariner character played by Brutus, the fucking barber beefcake. What would have been the payoff? Ship Bruce Nobody knows nobody knows. That's why thank God it ended. As fucking horrible. No direction whatsoever nobody knew. Oh man chocolate cake ideas, but March twenty fourth nineteen ninety-one Wrestlemainia is where we get a pretty fun mass. We've talked about it in great detail. Will we covered wrestlemainia seven? It's the La Sports Arena Jake. The Snake Roberts finally gets his come up and see pens rick the model Martel after a DDT about eight and a half minutes into a blindfold match. And after the match Roberts is going to stop the atomised the arrogance. Isn. he scares Martell out of the ring with Damien. And I gotTa tell you the Internet was not kind to this neither was meltzer gave it a dud writing but as a kid and we have Internet nineteen ninety. No but I think we did the. The when I was a kid this was the shit. It was fucking awesome. Was it was absolutely great storytelling because mortell hit by Jake Jake wanted Martell. Feel what it was like to be. Blind and have your vision taken away from you and the blindfold match the psychology of the match both men blindfolded. As a baby face, you point. To the he'll you point around in the crowd tells you where they are. They get louder as you get closer. But then when the he'll tries to deal with the crowd, does the exact opposite and it just absolutely classic good versus evil a fun match in easiest opt understand I. Love it for the Naysayers by pass was a great story to and fun payoff. When you started the whole blinding angle, mean the whole arrogance and the is to Juno boy sure would be cool if we could save this wrestlemainia and do a blindfold match I, mean, did you have that finish in mind a blindfold much? We. Got There. I don't know at the very beginning of that was the plan that Oh, my God I'm GonNa get to a blindfold match but that became kind of the GODDAMN WE'RE GONNA get a blindfold match out of this. I mean that. was really got in the feeling behind it. Ourselves, going to lose to the big boss man on the April ninth prime time wrestling and into randy savage with Miss Elizabeth. What was billed as savages final bound. or? Lose the rest of any seven retirement match. MORTELS GONNA lose matches against top guys here. randy savage ultimate warrior Roddy Piper. And in April Ninety one he leaves and he substituted or all of his advertise batches. Is it just time to go handle investments or? The see think maybe the writing is on the wall with all those hoary and stuff. I grech was failing just more than anything that he was tired with the business. He did have very strong business outside of. Wrestling at that time and was looking around going fine. I don't want to be on the road anymore. His wife was doing lot with businesses was time. Time. Maybe hanging out. Here's the reason I think maybe he was nervous. July Fourth Nineteen ninety-one no one sees this coming but. The, hoary in who at one time was part of the Pennsylvania State, Athletic Commission and positioned ringside at a lot of pro wrestling events in the state was found guilty on twelve counts. And? In the papers of course, we know that. He's going to be In a little trouble for selling steroids without medical purpose, Roddy Piper B Brian Blair Dan Spivey and Rick Martel. To me this feels like something that would have spooked a lot of guys. And on an e gotta think at this point since rig does have a backup plan with the investment properties. Maybe, it does make sense to take a break for a little bit Well deathly. But he had already made that decision to make break in the go back and take care of his business and stuff, and this was coincidence. A share for him he's probably looking at it is look I'd like to get out of. Spotlight as much as possible. So good timing. He's back in December of ninety one and his big return mashes a win over Dale Wolf on December twenty eighth superstars is also announced as being part of the ninety two royal rumble. He's GonNa come in about forty eight minutes in and he's eliminated by justice roughly thirteen minutes later. Here in early ninety two, he starts a feud with the Tonka and that leads to a match at wrestlemania eight where to talk goes over because well, he's got the hot hand here. And martell says he was almost place with the talk as a mentor of Sorts or a teacher. and. He has to admit in interviews. He's done since that by this point, his heart wasn't in the business it was him focusing on real estate. But. If you're trying to get a young guy over like you know, hey, we wanNA push this new character to talk. You can do a lot worse than having him work with Rick Martel and learn the ropes, right? No Shit and you know for talk that probably did him more good than anything else that could have done mortell actually I met Shawn Michaels when they both worked for the AWA but he wound up traveling with showing during his first he'll run and he says that Sean really picked his brain during that time and his luck would have it. They actually wind up program together in a pretty rare especially for the time he oversees he'll program to were battling for the affection of sensational Sherri I suppose. But the match has a fun stipulation to know hitting in the face. That's just great stuff. You know mostly they've two characters Goddamn hilarious. It adds a different dimension to the match. It adds different dimension to the match from the standpoint of I don't really have anybody to root for but when you add that kind of. Condition to the match. Now, I'm actually rooting for both guys to finally punch the other fucker in the face Soga did yeah It's a fun match. Of course we're talking about Summer Slam nineteen ninety-two. You got a huge crowd what a fun show that was and he says afterward, by the way we should mention it was a double count out. So how did he end a heel versus heel match? How do you same way you end a champion champion Same same same. He does say that Sean took him aside you know in Wimbley afterwards and and really thanked him for his first big payday. And This is going to be sort of on major coming out party. the rumor innuendo is that Shawn Michaels was supposed to win the intercontinental belt from Brat before breasts that dog take the belt in London and then later drop it to Sean in the states. Was the Sean Martell feud one out of necessity just to sort of keep sean in the picture and ready for the next step. I mean I wasn't back then at that point. I could see that being the case because they had Wembley, the attraction a bulldog there was a huge drawing. been just a big part of that card. You know obviously only done handful of interviews. He doesn't do much in wrestling anymore but has said that Sean became a very powerful personality in wrestling but not always in a positive way and. He remember Sean going way too long with the lighter match at Wrestlemania tend the eight man tag that he was the end with other guys had to be cut as a result but. Despite that, he says Shawn was always very respectful of him and he thinks probably because they had this feud. So early in Sean Career But the that's pretty mature on Martel spot to when he thinks a guy, he helped maybe bring along. Go. So Long Wrestlemainia he doesn't even get to work the show. Yeah One, one, one of the shiny spots and you know it's one of those people always point back to his great match you know first ladder match that we did on a national stage I forget those repercussions it's kind of like rock and MC with this is your life going heavy in how it affected the rest of the show in this particular instance, how affected the show and how it affected other guys for their wrestlemainia moment that night they didn't perform. Martell resumes his feud with the talk of that fall at the Ninety two survivor series where it's a talk defeats him and reclaims his Sacred Eagle feathers. Lord between these jackets, these feathers. You guys are big on these property reclaiming angles aren't you? Have you ever had an eagle feather stolen I have not. Okay. Well, see then. You can't really speak to those buses of actually us been awarded. or Honorary Eagle feather. That's a very, very high honor. Where soon, we'll try to steal that take that away from you. It brings cheered by at this point Rick's career just like. In all seriousness I really I really was presented unequal feather, which is a very high honor really with the native Americans. Yes, it was. Like yeah and I think that's like one of the coolest. Cool things that. Have I like I like don't even put it out because it's Special. I don't even know where the hell it is right now it's in the house somewhere. It's a special I. don't even know where it is. Now it's in the it's in the Cedar closet downstairs but it. It. WAS A big. It's a big deal. It's a big fucking deal to the native American if a native American gives you an eagle feather man that's like fuck and. Hang on now this briscoe after he had too much chocolate cake just. Do not go there. All right. at this point, marseils career starts to wind down and ninety three. He worked mostly secondary programs like all American wrestling on Sunday mornings a wrestling challenge syndicated. But at the September twenty seventh Monday night raw taping Martell is the CO winner of a battle royal with Razor Ramon that aired on October fourth and the winners are now going to face off for the intercontinental championship which had been vacated. Of course rick. Martel loses, the Master Ramon which further helps them at him as a baby face. Then he feeds very briefly with bastion booger who thankfully he sprayed with some arrogance. Survivor series ninety three with atom bomb diesel an irs losing the one two, three kid Mardi Jannati Randy savage and Razor Ramon. Or tail actually wound up getting eliminated by the one-two-three kid. He's in the ninety four rumble as number twenty six but he's eliminated Ataka and as we mentioned, he was supposed to be in that big. Huge tag mass wrestlemainia ten, but it's cut due to time constraints. I think we asked this before but. When the Gaza they are ready to go but somebody goes long they get their match cut by still get paid Absolutely yeah. wrestle. Wrestling is going to be really winding down for for. Martell. Here. Let's talk about the end of the the run here with the company. He wrestles randy savage that summer in Japan. But by July he's gone. He comes back for his last match, the nineteen ninety five royal rumble. it's a match. That's a little over two minutes before he's ultimately. Eliminated by. The Barbarian who at the time working as a hedge rinker. And curiously, he does a house show in Montreal the next month it's a surprise appearance and it's an in ring interview and later he does a run in close lining Shawn, michaels. But nothing really ever happens with that. When you guys were just running. Montreal. Was the just a way to excite the local crowd and just a one off. Or was there a real discussion that you guys just decided better against? No it was it was for the Montreal market be able to go out and give them something special one of their own coming out give them high spot. In our friend Dan Saint Germain blow away killed it at the roast of risk Richard years ago he still has We'll perhaps my favorite roast joke ever. Another retailer here but talk good on what savage he? Anyway, he's got a wrestling podcast now call total, FM marks fellow comedian Scott Chaplain, and the man behind the wwe creative twitter account Robert Carpenters. Are Really enjoyed, the episode's they did with Ron funches Dan soder to other huge wrestling fans who are hilarious comedians. Hell. Even I've been on the show and of course, the real podfather himself. Mr Cochabamba it's available on I tunes spotify or wherever else you get your podcast just check it out. It's Total FM marks US you know F- apostrophe and my e fee F W come out total F in March. If you like wrestling no no. No. If you love wrestling and you love comedy, I can't recommend this one enough. Check it out. You'll be glad you did it's Total FM marks wherever you enjoy podcast I tuned spotify wherever else are Mandela Saint's remains GonNa make you laugh I guarantee you. please. Focusing more on his investments and he's done now and he does work some indy dates with a young man named on callous who's now in a position of power with impact wrestling at the time he's wrestling as the natural they're going to team up and Manitoba. And they're even going to have some indy matches with Tito Santana. But in ninety six, he's. No longer wrestling don callous is teaming with him as the supermodels. And they're feuding with a couple of young upstarts named Adam impact and Christian. Cage who are GONNA go on to become edge and Christian. And we don't have an exact date on this sometime in the late nineties rick says that Paul Heyman. Tried to get him to come in AC w but he didn't want to. And Heyman even offered to let him work with whoever you wanted to do whatever he wanted but Martel said, no thanks. But. Then magically in ninety seven, there's talks about him coming back to the WWE. And Markelle says that the original plan was to come in and do a supermodels tag team with who we know is going to go on to become Siris on a CW don callous. He says, they would have been baby faces, but Cyrus would've turned heel on eventually. And Martel asked for a yearly deal. But when the contract arrived, it wasn't what he had been discussing. And it mentioned something along the lines of he needed to prove himself for three months. Ultimately we know don callous went to the WWF Rick Martel did not. He goes to the WCW We'll get into that in a minute. What do you remember about? Rick Martel being discussions to come in and ninety seven He remember what the? Issue was contract or if that's even accurate. And then lastly, what can you tell us about the supermodels idea of him Don Accounts? Well, the idea by the supermodels believed that was something that Rick the idea that Rick Ed you know we've done the model rick. Martel Salihi. He'd come any found this guy dom callous and said, they had great chemistry together wanted to bring don in as. A tactic. Because Rick looking you know wanted work attack. Damon. All he wanted to work fulltime is a singles anymore and we discussed it laid out the idea for it actually had. vignettes plan for them, and this is where you know Vinci's laying out. the vignettes them down on Miami beach and was like. It I and I see you guys you're walking down the beach. You're just wearing a thong and you go down the go down the beach and you have all the girls looking at you and you kick sand in the guys and it's a cross between. Charles Atlas in being bullies and all the women going wild. All this shit been saw is a heel. And They, both were just naturally you know heels. but the funniest part was is after is lane out these then yet and pat comes to me and he says. Bruce as is I don't get it. The Vince is hung up on these guys at the tongs I. Don't know why why can't just go barefoot on the beach and what do they got to be wearing the tongs Want Pat. Now he's actually talking `bout like thongs which like the. Asked loss. Chains juice string Jones yet yeah. Yeah, and he had he had. The walks away the shower shoes the tongs. Had explained pat with the tall was Oh, I thought he meant like a grill tool he meant like flipflops. Yeah Yeah, but the PATS. In passing the way the thongs. I speak I speak Pat Right Yeah I've seen you guys luck a couple of cats actually. J.. J. I would you. So What it Martin WanNa come in here or it was just the contract. What happened was is we sent we sent contracts out and they were the standard contracts. Gay I I don't believe at that point. That, we were doing the downside guarantees I, could be wrong but I don't think that their contracts were for any guaranteed money and again I could be wrong but if they were they were low and. WCW At the time was offering guaranteed contracts right. to come in what for them and rick us that it's time to to negotiate and and actually he really eating negotiate heard about it. Through the grapevine the Rick Martel was. Talking Eric Bischoff and we called Rick. So what you do and he's as well. He was not happy with this contract and I'm going to go WCW. Those that simple and I Don't know if he was planning on bringing callous with him. But CAL did not go with him and that's when we ended up using him For the. Now God with the Truth Commission? Yeah. So. Help me understand though you know we've heard a different times. The Vince could be very competitive. About. Not Losing talent to WCW. In Ninety seven does he just not have the luxury of the cash to really compete and so he just has to know and that was that's what I mean. It's. A correct myself because Rick Rick, did not come back and US trying to negotiate. But I'm saying when when Vince here's I'm going to WCW Rick was Oregon Okay I got you so as far down Emma heads it was it was already gone man and and it was we probably would have we probably would've gone Rick said Hey what we need to do. But it was it was already too far down. I got. Well, listen, he does say that this year with W W is the best year he ever had in wrestling. Also be his last. January fifth nineteen, Ninety Eight. He's at Nitro on the Georgia. Dome is GonNa make his WCW debuted fading incredible Brad Armstrong is got several be show mashes in the next few weeks. He's working this period as a baby face and actually getting pretty decent crowd reactions they recognize them. And, they're going to call his finisher the Quebec. Crab said of the Boston crab. And other billing him as being from Quebec City. On the January nineteenth episode of the Superdome or Nitro from the superdome in New Orleans martell would be Eddie Guerrero with his crab finishing maneuver, and later in the show, Martell would save Booker T. from a beatdown and that sets up an angle between the two. At. Sold out. Booker T. hits the Harlem Hangover on Rick Mortels head. And Martel said it gave him a bad concussion. Says around this time. Booker also hurts Saturn with the move and it was banned no more using it. And you would think that well, things are going to be a little smoother and little safer for Rick going forward not the case. Or tells out of action for several weeks with this concussion but he's back on February sixteenth on Nitro from the fairgrounds in Tampa and he wins the TV titled Feeding Booker T. With Quebec Crab. Super Bowl, eight Though on February twenty second. Or this was from San Francisco there at the Cow Palace and Booker T. wins the title and the opening contest ten minutes thirty two seconds. But Martel is flocked. Booker T. hurts him by throwing him with a hip toss from too far in the ring. So he's GonNa him out of the corner, but he takes a few steps and those two steps spent that Rick's legs are GonNa land on the Middle Rope and snap to the Mat and immediately martell is in a bad way. And Rick says that Booker was working fast and Steph. The whole match may be wanted to look good for the pay per view. ardell jumps off the second rope and gets hit with the Harlem. Sidekick and it's less visible. What happened here but Martel land on his feet during the jump which might have even worse than the injury he already had from a few minutes earlier. But by the next match, which was Booker T. defending his belt against Saturn it was already announced that rick, Martel had a torn ligament in his knee and Bobby Heenan mentions that might be the end of his career. Now it's not and for the record Martell says he has no ill will and no hurt feelings about Booker T. at all he just doesn't think that obviously W was properly training there guys. But they're cool and thinks he's a consummate professional and enjoyed his matches and count him as one of his favourite opponents. A just go well this day. And that's probably the attitude most guys would have in this situation nobody ever intentionally tries to hurt their opponent. I would hope not yeah and I think that it was just unfortunate accident you know with with wreck the. Sometime. Shit. Happens man is it ain't ballet And unfortunate as it may be. These things happened in the sport. Well. He's out of action until July and unbelievably he comes back on July Thirteenth Nineteen Ninety, eight nitro from the GM grand garden arena in. Las Vegas. And of all people, he's taking on Stevie Ray or critise brother. And then the finish. He's injured again. By trying to protect his the INOX two vertebrae out of his neck ride as he hits the Mat. And he just says this I'm dillon. It's a great year financially for him. But not as best year in wrestling. And I'm the do something else. He wrestles his last match for real in Hawaii on the Hawaiian islands wrestling, Federation show he defeated the Metal Maniac on March twenty third nineteen ninety. And once he retired from the ring, he did work for wwe walls a trainer any hosted the French version of some W. W programming, but his real passion is managing all these commercial properties racked up over the years. And even does a main event. Of a house show are for May of two, thousand three. WB Champ Brock leser introduces Rick Martel to the ring as surprise and shakes his hand and. ortel got a huge ovation a standing ovation, and he's honored to be recognized here. You are part of the company anti time. How easy was rigged? Get off the couch and come do something after a four year absence. I don't know that it was that easy for him but I'm sure that it was something that being in Quebec. A wreck. Would love that would love to see it come on down and probably just showed up to say hello to the boys. And brought about introduced and lose nothing more than that. Same again, at vengeance of the champions, which is the pay per view enough seven Rick Martel along with his old partner Tony Korea are going to save Jimmy Snuka Sargent slaughter from a post match attack at the hands of Deuce and domino. He wound up in the two K. eighteen to nineteen video games. seriously. We get so many questions about this. I'm just GONNA ask right now. Why do you think Rick's not in the hall of fame? You will ever see him in the hall of fame. I think we will definitely think I think that Rick deserves to be in the hall of fame. He's at Hall of fame career. And I believe that Rick Will. Be in the hall of fame someday. Awa World Champ multiple time tagged Champ here in the company. And then of course, the famous model gimmick the arrogance what do you think is legacy really wanted bang when it's all said and done. The quintessential baby face. Really Yeah I really do because we're rick checked all the boxes is far as. In a territory as a promoter, what you would want as a baby face. GonNa tell you when I think of him man maybe it's just the age difference. All think about is the model an arrogance I think that's his legacy at least to me. And I can see that for for younger fans. Just to me a and looking at it from a business point of view that he was a quintessential baby face, you could build your territory around. Well, we got tons more great content coming your way. We do have some questions for Rick Martel. We're GONNA get tune just a moment. We'll try to get as many as we can. The original plan was to derail mortell last week and this week. Today we're supposed to be talking about Captain Lou Albano. But since we didn't get to do Rick Martel last week are called an audible. So captain lose on the shelf at least for now, we're going to get to sometime soon next week, it's going to be all about no mercy two, thousand five. This was a big show there's a lot to break down and get into I. Think two thousand five is a fascinating year for a lot of reasons the main event here. it's pretty special. It's Eddie Guerrero Challenging Batista for the World Title. Also got who've been working with Nunzio Bob Orton US right Bob Orden teaming with Randy Orton to take on the undertaker jbl in there with Ramos cheerio hardcore holly with Mr Kennedy. Booker. T. Working with crispin. Wa of course Christians. They are in Orlando Jordan it's fatal four way for the US title. Who Got Simon Dean as right and Dane working with Bobby Lashley and how about eminem taken on the Legion of doom and Christie himmy lots to unpack next week? No mercy two, thousand, five. If you've got a question for us, you can ask it over at. Pritchard show. Bruce, we got a ton of questions about the model. There's no way we can get to them all the Stuart Bunch here rapid fire are you ready already? Adam wants to know that every magazine ran a story that says martell retires. was there genuine concern that he might not come back after the hiatus and eighty eight? I don't know I don't think there was I think that was just something that they put it in the magazine no different than some of the after magazines get people talking. Jesse rights years ago I ran into someone who claimed to have inside information and he told me the Rick Martel and Rick Rude hated each other got into a huge brawl backstage once said they had to be kept apart backstage after that until rude left the company any truth to this never heard Kevin. Wants to know why was there no effort or creativity put into the never ending Tito verses Martell feud aside from the betrayal Wrestlemainia five aside from the former partner storyline have as much story as the feuds with Jake Roberts, the Tonka or on Michael's. On sorry. You felt that way Kevin I thought it was a good story. Mr. Perfect wants the know. Did you ever see the vignettes done in the AWA and other territories rick prior to him winning their top title they were rocky style training montages and it was a As a master of these vignettes what did you think of those when he saw him? They were they were very stereotypical. I did see him I I did watch him and they were just A very stereotypical way of building up your local baby face in the wrestling business at the time, and I don't think they got into character development vignettes. We did wwe like the Million Dollar Man and Mr? Perfect and things of that nature. Lose different it was his way the fernwood would wanted to present his stop baby face. Here's an end the weeds question. Ns. Photos wants to know. What was the reason for the outfits which is from baby blue to purple to pink back to baby blue did the office side or was it Rick's decision? That's sort of interesting because sometimes we do here that the office wants a different local one way or another, and then sometimes you say, no, they just wanted to you think these changes were something that creative services or Vince wanted or is it rigorous? which is something that rink did and the baby blue was the look the baby blue was the model and that's what worked. A little. Jealous. The you know the difference between the two. He colorblind bastard. Chris Watson according to the Rim Rain Innuendo the plan was for the canam connections become the champs in the summer of eighty seven. But those plans changed when Tom Zink left is this true? Were they in line for the championship? In history the, there was talk of them being the tag team champions after Wrestlemania three. Wants to know how much of the model persona was the real rick. Martel, and how much of it was just the assigned character he genuinely seemed like he connected with role in my opinion. Hey did but it will because I it was. So opposite of who he really was it allowed rick to get into character. Really. Be someone else. Thinking Man's sports want to know Tom's ain't not left the company. Do you think the canam connection would have had a more successful run than strikeforce? It's hard to. It's hard to tell because I didn't know Tom I. met him a few times but I didn't really know Tom I know Tito no rick and I. Obviously the better tag team Canam connection because they actually. Were able to see it to fruition. Like I don't have to answer that one ray wants to know how would you rank rick in your all time greatest Zeke's wrestling. Come on you saying so these all the time. Shop Sips fucker. Eric wants to know Wallace Rick Martel never given a singles championship push in the company. You know listen I know that. You probably get tired of that question a lot wanted this guy not get this bell wanted that I get that I know what you're gonNA. Say he didn't need it but I do think when you go through the list of. Great Wrestler who held the Intercontinental Title It starts to feel and sound like it was the quote. Unquote Workers Belt Shawn Michaels Brown Heart Macho Man Randy savage ric steamboat. So many great entering performers. It feels like Martel really checked all those boxes by the time. You know he was a singles competitor had Vince sorta fallen out of love. With him in that spot or was it more about he just SORTA didn't have the passion he wants dead. So Less. non-jobs down now just about timing. You know I think it had martell been the champion said let's say Shawn. Michaels. People's why didn't they put the belt on Sean Michaelson He was ready. A. Timing. and. That's life you. That's the hand you're dealt. US any voice she want S- Lizard once the now if WBZ shop or a cell arrogance Cologne what minded smell like. Do. Bracelets. probably the only one eye candy right now. It's two A. M. I appreciate you taking time to. Join. Yeah. Sorry about that, listen man, thanks for taking the time. Thank you everybody for checking out something to wrestle this week. We hope we your man, Rick Model Martell justice anything else. You want to close this with any party I got an save. The. 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Charlemagne

Blind History

23:23 min | 1 year ago

Charlemagne

"Imagine! This is a dating site profile. Young Man, twenty, six no formal education, but can't speak three languages currently in third marriage, four kids one of them a hunchback. Many illegitimate kids. Many. Ambitions to run the whole of Western Europe and united Germany and frauds. No. One would take that person seriously, but then. None of us live in eight hundred ad. That manage Shannon. First real king to emerge after the dock agents on the founding father of all European Kingdoms. Charlemagne is the great emperor of the Romans. His reign signified I think the end of the dock ages, and for many people, the true beginning of the Medieval era. He was emperor of Rome, but he was also known as the King of the Franks. He lived from about seven, forty, eight, eighty, two, eight, hundred and fourteen eighty, and during the early middle. Ages united the majority of Western and Central Europe. He was the first recognized emperor to rule from Western. Europe since the full of the Western reminisce empire. And the expanded Frankish state that Charlemagne founded his better known as the Carolinian Empire he was later canonized by Mt Pope Paschal the third, but he was crowned by the famous Pope Leo in run, so there's an interesting story about his ancestors which will get to an amendment to, but he has been called the father of Europe united as I sit at most of western Europe for the. The first time since the classical era and united parts of Europe, that had never been and Frankish or rule, and it spurred the Carolinian Renaissance which was a period of energetic, casual and intellectual activity within the Western church to which he was very closely allied when he died in eight fourteen, he was laid to rest in the Aachen Cathedral, where you can still go and visit his shrine. That was where he was eventually buried, but in between is the popular interested in I'm joined as always on my co host in blind history, an official fan of history, a big history nerd like me, and also the MD of Taylor blinds and shutters could only be antimetric. How are you sir? Farewell, Youth Awesome I'm so pleased. We're doing charlemagne because I know he's one of your favorite ones. And I didn't realize when I went into doing the research or on Charlemagne. What a horrible time! The eight hundred ad were! You're out of resin very difficult time and I think he was a big beacon almost lot tests and people gravitated towards that, so he made a massive difference, but he's my favorite. Because you know, it was born out of the fragmented and fondly remnants of the Roman impacts you to specially, if the western Roman Empire and Gareth just briefly, what hours locked to look back? Way Are the. The ancestry in we have come from and I find that extremely interesting and actually quite exciting. You about his grandfather Charles Martel Louis you talking even further back. I'm talking further back around the four hundred respect about it in previous podcasts, said the Roman empire was disintegrating with plagues, and also the barbarians barbarians with Tim by the Rams anybody. That wasn't Roman and children was inverted commas about in at the time he basically was chief of what became the. Franks, and you know the new SIP of tribes. But he son and often talk about his San Clever, the first as as being the father of the Franks. And he basically pulled all of these tribes together into one relatively strong unit, and was very successful, and he made a very very strong lady. With with maybe unfortunate name I'm not sure I think. Clitoris. Low is it real name on Tillis? How do you spell? Our allies. Putt from that horrible name. You've touched one or two other things that are interesting. The tribe francs, the Franks are the people eventually gave their name to frauds. That's Frantz gets its name from and Clovis. The first two you mentioned just now clovis eventually in the frankish dialect which became French. The language became Louis so clovis is actually Louis, and that name persisted through the French Royal Family right up to the nineteen hundreds, and I think actually the head of the Bobo family now is also a Prince Louis, so it's amazing. Clovis leads to Louis and throughout French history was prominent the other. Other thing that's interesting is these kings you're talking about recalled the mayor of Indians and there is obviously Dan. Brown, and all of his books talks about the Meridians, because there was this fictional lineage of Jesus of Nazareth that is supposed to found its ultimate fruit in the mirror, vinian kings of France, and while they started well, and you mentioned Clovis. They didn't end so well. They ended up being these simpering week. They called them Fo-. Kings they were essentially just ceremonial. They were like puppets and the people who really had the power in that time with the mayors of the palace. And it turns out that Sean Maine's family comes from the mayors of the palaces of the two major provinces, which ICAL Stra and Australia and the sound like they're not places in France, but they're actually in northern France, and that's where the PA came from the mayors of the palaces, and Sean means Father Pippin the short. Pippen's and other name that will come up a number of times during this discussion. He was the mayor of both of those palaces during the reign of the lost. Mervyn king a really weak check called. The third who they eventually ended up sending to monastry set, wasn't the lineage that started with clever, but ultimately in the end it was Charles the head Matt or Motel. The grandfather Charlemagne. He was actually very very strong hints. The Name Hammer and he did a lot of concrete. Specially when the the Spanish jot to come into area well, you say the Spanish, but actually it was the Moors and at that point Spain was largely a caliphate of the Muslim world, and that was controlled from Baghdad and Charles Martel was the first real, Christian leader in Western Europe to fight against the Ottomans or the Turks, or the the Muslims, the caliphate of the time, and that's how he made his name Charles Martel. That was Charlemagne's grandfather. Ultimately, the end is very strong lineage. Lineage and not the week after the came from Clarence that I absolutely not Charles Martel might not have lent his name to Charlemagne. He obviously gave him the reputation that the family would build on but Sean Man's name is interesting because his real name was obviously Charles as well, and that is the name full king. In most countries, the polls called King Kroll which comes from call, the Ukraine's cuddle. The checks crawl the Slovak's crawl. The Hungarians Kitali the Lithuanians Corales the Latvians cuddles. And even the Macedonians, the Bulgarians Romanians the Serbs and Croats the Turks even say Krull for King now this develops parallels to the seizes, you know the Tim Caesar lent itself to Kaiser to czar in Russia and it's interesting that the Charlemagne was the prototype for kingdom from that point on this hundred percent. An incredibly we had to look at when he came in. He wasn't just a conqueror. To Form King. was very very important. Was He's preservation of antiquity left to learn converts of most of Europe to Christianity ultimately, and I think the biggest legacy of all you know people talk about him. Sign match. Even Napoleon talked about him and Hitler talked about, but the biggest legacy that he left was he took the seat of power of Europe? Back into the whist, and into the area of Germany and France, where historically always been out of Rome and later on Stanton Opel. And basically the whole geopolitical shift that was created by Charlemagne to bring the seat of power into Auchan. As you mentioned earlier, we was buried, and just at that time during those periods the barbarian hinterland, or to just seen as a stock, scary place with these titans warring tribes, yeah, y'all that eat people and worship, strange animals and say he changed that completely and I think that's obviously very much where you get away as the father of Europe. You mentioned something really important here, and that is that the context of the times were mixed I mean we look at the Middle Ages now we see this period of chivalry and while Charlemagne and his court eventually became the inspiration for the legends of author. And people don't know that, but that was part of what contributed to English myth and legend around what kingship was. It was a really awful time. You mentioned these warring tribes, but honestly I mean the women wears fearsome as the men. There was no learning. There was no real written language in western Europe at that point, because the only people who could write with amongst, and they were mostly writing Madsen, people were as backward as you know, we would look at a prehistory now and say hi embarrassing. Our ancestors were running around an old foes, but the dark ages would not a great period full, for Europe and quite apart from all the violence and the nastiness of this constantly warring part. Part of the world. There was no established Iraqi. There was no established law. There was no established religion. So you've got imagine the coming out of that. Sean made a massive impression on the world. He managed to drag a bunch of barbarians as you and the Romans call them into a period of some civilization, the hundred percent I mean standardizing currency series improvement of agriculture tried. He pulled Europe out of the Dark Ages. As you brought fully said earlier, he was that beacon of lot and massively powerful individual that change the course of history. You also mentioned how he put such an emphasis on education, and he himself was well educated and could speak probably three languages. His children were raised. especially his daughters, actually, because at stage, women were really not taken terribly seriously, but he raised them the way his parents had raised him, and they were taught skills in a code with their asked. The critic states is, so they were, they were trained the men anyway in writing and weaponry and embroidery, spinning and weaving his daughters and also language philosophy district. You mentioned a little bit. Early is dead. Pepin peppin. The I was actually pippen the third. Which v very confusing, but he was the first king. Of the Palestinian added Pippen's Charles Motels Dad and Grandad. But he was called Pippin. The short and people don't really night. He wasn't that Short. They say he could be the younger. He could get kicked his hair short because they lacked the hair long. Lots of different reasons why it was cold, pippin the short, but Charlemagne himself. And they verified it when they're opened. His tomb was over six foot. There can around six to. Said toll broad, shallow it, but had a shrill voice which often. Surprised, people, so he looked like L. go, but he sounded like Hillary Clinton exactly. Well he had a son. You talk about physical attributes. His eldest son with a woman called Himal- through the not a great name either. His son was cold, hunchback, his eldest son, and he did have back, and as a result of that hunchback. They say that he may have been counted the succession. It turns out the pepper. hunchbacked story is not as beautiful as Charlemagne's and I'll very. You give your pricey that he basically was living in his father's coach. He was the eldest son for. For Longtime Charlemagne shut him affection care. He was even considered as one of the successes, but he made the mistake of rebelling against his father, he tried to organize a coup, and actually tried to have charlemagne murdered and WanNa Charlemagne. Servants told him about this, and so he held trial all these people who broke into office to serve the king they will. Accept Pepin the hunchback who was sent off to monastry. This seems to have been a kind of punishment. At that time. You were what they call. Tom Sued in other words. They would take you shave most of your Herald. They leave you that funny doughnuts of hit that you've seen in medieval paintings and they'd send you to a monastery where you would. Spend your last days praying worshiping and transcribing the Bible, and what was the top Saad of Charlemagne with regards? We talk about the monks 'em. You talk about religion. Was that restrict? Tom If you didn't go to church on a particular day, they was capital punishment kill. You wasn't taught. That could kill you if you didn't contribute volunteering to them on cap across or whatever it is, that could kill you. Set was actually very serious. They were very very strict on religion in higher practiced it well for people who think that Islam is the mole violence of the religions I, will assure you that at this time. Islam was the more open, the more civilized, the more intellectually aware, the more. The far more thoughtful of the religions at this point because Christianity was behaving in the worst possible sense, and is not with civilizing the Western world in some ways. If it wasn't for Baghdad keeping many of the classical records, we wouldn't know about so much of ancient. Rome and Greece, so it's an interesting comparison to make for those who like to look at religious history, but to go back to Charlemagne. He obviously spent much of his reign as kings. Kings at that stage did end going around conquering the people and trying to keep his empire together right there on percent correct early on suffered one defeat, he went into the Saracens. which is northern Spain and against the Saracens and managed to reach an agreement of Charlemagne turned around, took his on me back out of what is Spain today through the Chinese. And he went through a narrow pass, and then he was attack not by the Saracens Bob another. Another tribe and he's nephew. Roland was killed and these big epic that's come around bit x neat the song of Roland which has come out of that, and they used to sing that when they used to go on crusade much later on that used that almost lock hulme and troy, but it was the fake news of that period, because what they said in the oed was Charlemagne came back and avenge the death of Roland, but actually he didn't he. He wasn't in the air raid and got back. So in other words propaganda, a hundred percent is he did come to the Lombard Kingdom, and this is interesting, because the lombards were in the north of Italy Liguria in that area, and obviously this is a big deal because those parts of the world had fallen into disarray after the collapse of the Revenue Empire, and the Pope played important role in Charlemagne's life. I mean publio Amnesty Chrome Kim on Christmas. In the eight hundred, you couldn't wish for more spacious number the net. And this was a very big deal. Put Leo third had been assaulted by some Romans. They're actually going to put out his eyes and tear his tongue nice people. And he escaped and fled to Charlemagne. Charlemagne was outraged by this decided is going to go back to room, reinstalled as pope and the Puck as a reward to Charlemagne, but also to increase his own power, as the hit of the papacy decided to arrange an elaborate coronation in the Vatican which he then held with crumbs and jewels and. was actually very much opposed to this idea, he didn't like the idea of a big spectacle. He apparently never wore Austin tastes Oxford's. He would dress up when he had to full. High Christian days and so on, but this was not his favorite thing to do so. Both he and the pope by doing this obviously increase their paws ceremony was hugely evocative thing in those days as we discussed already people with very religious, so by Charlemagne doing this with the pope, they almost created a a new normal for Europe, if we read into that. Yes Sean Man was definitely looking for power locks Sun, many of our people in history, but he head of different Saad in that he had this Devan purpose, and that was critical Tim so the angle of the Holy Roman emperor think set very easily on his head, and was apt because he felt that one of his mind. Purposes in his laugh was to bring Christianity to as many places as possible he. He I think that Charlemagne. In that moment probably took control of destiny, and you know there's an interesting thing that happens in genealogy, which is one of my other hobbies. That's the tracing of family trees, one of the great achievements in genealogies, being able to show that you descend from Charlemagne and many infect probably all of the Royal Houses of Europe today trace the origins to Charlemagne in the eight hundred eighty. It's a very long time ago, and it's got to a point where that's almost like the goal of most genealogists is to get to that. Their volumes of books published on the descendants of Charlemagne. I've actually got a few of them in my library guy at the front of it says. This book is not a superficial collection of elaborate pedigrees, contains the true facts in regard to the names known in history and of many families who contributed in some way greater small to the development of a culture, progress and government, furthermore in these pages they may be found corrections of a multitude of eras without challenge in other genealogical works, and then he goes on to say that this is really the high point of what genealogists tried to achieve, so he was. Was the fountain of all of that stuff, which is still held in such high regard in Europe now I think Gareth Arafat. What he boats and set APP didn't last very long, but the legacy was massive. You know after Louis the piracy. Son took over fell apart. He had a number of lives and a number of concubines number of descendants, but you just mentioned Louis the pious, who was the only real air left at the end of the day the only. Only legitimate one anyway. Some of these names are absolutely dreadful role trud, but the Giza Hildegard Hiltrud, which I already mentioned some of the names, his brother collar, man, that was also name of one of his sons. It was renamed as Pepin, King of Italy Lula God some some of these names are really give you an idea again of the times, and it didn't sound like French then, and it didn't sound like. German and Charlemagne was probably the only time in. In history. Germany and France were under one king. He had four wives and tens of mistresses. I think that was lacking as dies, but he didn't let his daughters Mary. You ever looked oleg phase. Didn't the daughters Mary I think mainly because of deletion of power and was worried about the impact would be and I think he really tried hard Gareth in building a legacy Louis became Kerr impera with him shortly before his death, so you really try to provide. Our platform to go forward into the future. He's buried as you already sit in often which in the French language that call Alicia Ben. And you can actually go and see his shrine. Which is there? It's A it's a golden silver chest in which his body lies, but there's also an arm radically in which there's an ombudsman of Charlemagne's, which is regarded as Hoodie because he was sanctified later by pope, and it's amazing that someone that lived fifteen hundred years ago effectively. Can, still be such an important influence on what eventually became the EU. I mean in many ways. Belgium was also part of his empire and the place where Europe is run from. Is just a few kilometers north of wish. Alamein is buried and where he was born. It's interesting that the European Union might eventually proved to be the ultimate fruit, his loins, the other point as example that I mentioned a little bit earlier was Napoleon, he said I. Am Charlemagne and the Nazis used it in different ways initially they use it as propaganda because united. Charlemagne wasn't a saint as far as he was in a in. Order the execution of four thousand five hundred Saxons in seven, eighty two, and so the Nazis used at a serious propaganda, but also in the end the named one of the fighting troops off the Charlemagne I. Think the the should Stoffel, which was the S. during World War Two was named the Charlotte Maine Regiments Down Fronts. So very interesting I. People Still Speak About him so highly. They say that all modern Europeans are highly likely to share Charlemagne as common ancestor. There was actually discussed in an exit cue I. Ultimately if you are of Western European stock, you probably have a bit of Charlemagne. Or Ganga's. Guests, so that links to previous episode which I think is fascinating areas, Charlemagne, the father of Europe Potter Europea. Blind. History is brought to you by Taylor, blinds and shutters. Episodes are available on the cliff. Central Dot, com website and APP as well as apple podcasts, podcasts, spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. I remember in the Indiana Jones and the last crusade movie remember Indiana Jones's father. Cannery he uses umbrella to induce a flock of seagulls to smash through the glass cockpits of a pursuing generally plane, so he says there I suddenly remembered my Charlemagne. Let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky now despite the popularity quite since the movie. There's no actual evidence that he actually said, but it's nice to think that he might have. And the interesting thing about Charlemagne excuse me this Douglas scratching at the door. Just hold on. How Little Shit. The dog's name is call a ninety named after Charlemagne exactly because he's the Germans scored him. Call calendar say. Call. A small is the one who interrupted us.

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Checking In On The State's GOP

Radio Boston

11:57 min | Last month

Checking In On The State's GOP

"There is a battle going on within the state's republican party. Let me just set up for you. Because last week. According to e mails obtained by the boston globe state. Gop committee woman. Deborah martel made homophobic remarks against a fellow republican congressional candidate. Jeffrey sosa paquet. So pecan is gay married and the adoptive father of two and mortels comments that. She's sickened that. He and his husband adopted children resulted in a wave of legislators condemning her and calling for her resignation governor charlie baker. The state party's biggest name. Wait in those were bigoted. Remarks is simply no way around that anyone who's a serious member of the party organization should be denouncing them. One voice was until recently notably silent committee chairman. Jim lyons. he eventually called martin's remarks offensive but has refused to call for her resignation. Dismissing the movement against her as quote cancel culture now twenty nine out of thirty republicans in the house are calling for lions to resign his post. So let's turn to one of those twenty nine state representative. Sean dooley representative duly. Welcome back to radio boston. Hey thank you so much for having me back. What's going on here. Is this actually an example of cancel culture or should martell step aside no. I don't believe it's get the culture by any stretch of the imagination. I think Unfortunately it's a it's a Absence of leadership is really the the dominated issue that we should be talking about. Is that jim. Lyons had the opportunity. I when someone else especially one of his supporters in one of his committee. People said something that was bigoted and hateful And repeatedly by the way. The wasn't just one isn't it was. It was a series of incidences He had the opportunity to take the narrative. And say hey listen. This is not who we are. This is not what we stand for. Let me tell you what. Republicans really believe in stead. He made excuses for in coverage for and said. Oh well i'm not going to get involved. And then five days later changed to and he's like well. I'm sorry getting her first amendment right That's that's i think where the pig issue is is that there are people that are within our party that are willing to say this is sort of thing is okay so you don't buy his argument that it's an issue of free speech or that. The party needs to be inclusive of people of deep faith. No no we. We one hundred percent to being -clusive of of people. Yeah faith and the first amendment. Let's just back up from a civics lesson standpoint. The first amendment is about the government imposing regulations on you and the government putting you in jail. No one is talking about doing it but if you work for. Ibm or if you work for mcdonald's and you greet a customer and you use a racial slur or you say something antisemitic or things along those lines. That may be. You're right you may not go to jail but you will not still have a job. That's the reality. That martel is a state committee woman from ludlow and she represents that senate area and they were in her position. She tried to get him. You know not allowed to speak at a meeting. Because he was gay she said we need to find someone to primary on the ballot so we can knock them off the ballot. Because he's gay. There was a series of things. That's a completely different story than a pure free speech. So do you think think they go ahead. Sorry we're just short on time today. so do you think lions should step aside. I i i do want to note. Of course he ran against him to lead the party game. Three votes short of unseating him. But but do you think he should step aside. Because of this. I mean it's it's it's it's i i don i don't wanna say that just from the standpoint i ran against him. I wish we wish he would step. If he's not going to step aside. I wish he would step up. And actually take some stances. Actually step forth and talk to the press and helped. The party grow helped the party to help. The people understand that this is not who we are. If he's unwilling to do that then yes. I think he should step aside. So the state party isn't big right. I mean loss season. The last election does hold the corner office in viewer in your view. It sounds like you're saying that there is room for an openly gay congressional candidate in this. Gop even though the messaging doesn't seem to support that well. I think unfortunately what we have is. We have a few that gets what some very loud voices. And in the past we haven't been willing to condemn them. And i think that's one of our mistakes we need to you know. We can't just say we're not racist. And we can't just say were not they get. We have to be anti-racists anti-big we need to go out there and throw punches and and make statements like this. If you're going to be this you do not represent us and you should step down. And that's the reason. I was really proud of our entire All but one person. Mark lombardo from bill rakha. I was really proud of our delegation that we also up in made that stamp. So you have a governor. Who's a republican. Who is one of the most popular governors in the country right. And i'm just wondering how you hope this all shakes out and where this takes the party next. What i hope is and this is. I filed a resolution condemning condemning. Hey combining and. I wanted to make sure that we were able to get that word out there that this is who we are. We're not going to let a few define most of were party of lincoln. We started by fighting racial injustice. We should continue that along those stats and state representative. Sean dooley stay representative. Delete thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it. Thank you for having anytime and listening into that conversation is. Wb you our senior political reporter. Anthony brooks who's been following this story closely so let's bring them back in. Hey anthony hey jamie nice to be with you. Thanks for thanks for joining us so Just give us your initial reaction to what you there from representative. Sean dooley well. It's interesting because i guess i was thinking that in in a lot of ways what's playing out here. In massachusetts among republicans is playing out across the you know in many state republican parties fealty to trump or sort of trump style. Politics has become a kind of litmus test and jim lyons the party chairman represents that wing of the party. And so as you heard. Sean dooley more moderate would like to pull back from that kind of aggressive. Hyper partisan and so really what you're seeing here is a fight for the future for the soul of the state. Gop will it be continued to be fashioned by people like john and his supporters or can the state's most popular republican charlie baker who didn't support trump. Define the party. Which is really struggling for relevance in many ways. Once you get beyond charlie baker Yeah i mean just the also the idea that twenty nine out of thirty of the elected folks in the legislature signed onto this letter calling for for martell. Step aside jim jim lyons to do something about it is support for lions waning. Maybe i mean. I think it's fair. Here's what i know. I can say jim. Lyons represents hard right. The trump wing of the republican party in massachusetts. And don't forget that. More than a million folks in the state voted for trump so lyons has supporters but i also think it's fair to say that this has been a tough period for them. I mean the state. Gop got hammered in the last election. They didn't pick up a single congressional seat. Democratic super majorities in the state legislature for example republicans have three only three out of forty seats in the senate and now he as he continues to sort of. Pick a fight with charlie baker which seems bizarre. The hugely popular governor and with his refusal to condemn deborah martell for those controversial remarks. A lot of folks think. He went too far including tom mountains. So here's tom mountain. He's the vice chair of the state. Gop you know. what she did was was heinous. It was intolerant. And quite frankly it makes the rest of the party look bad and the chairman initially stay out of it and then he pulled down tobacco so you can hear mountains concern about lions there and i'm hearing from a number senior republicans including folks high up in the state party that it's time for lions to go but again in mind. He defeated shaun dooley. Just a few months ago for for the chairmanship of the party. Right right and i should note that we did reach out to jim. Lyons today we have not yet heard back. But how would you characterize his approach. Moving forward after the twenty twenty election loss. You mentioned of course the white house but also here massachusetts. What's his approach to sort of energizing that base of republican voters here in massachusetts. Well you know chairman. Lions is unapologetic about his embrace of former president trump. And by the way jamie. I reached out to him yesterday because i wanted to talk about all of this brouhaha within the party. He didn't get back to me but What his approach now. Since the twenty twenty election laws his position is that trump said essentially energizes republican voters. Here's what he told me last january. I am very optimistic that President trump has brought a groundswell of people who were uninvolved to get involved. So i'm very you know. I'm i'm kinda like newt gingrich. I'm a happy warrior. So there you can hear it you know. His approaches to basically double down is support of donald trump. and and and. That's really the kind of republican vision that he represents the state right now. Now we've touched on this a little bit but the sort of strained relationship with governor baker as i mentioned the most one of the most popular governors in the country. But sort of at loggerheads with lions in these efforts to really oust baker from the party's leadership. Why what's the thinking here. Why isn't the party sort of leaning on baker. as as i don't know a power welker i mean i think a lot of people in the party are i mean. What's interesting about baker is that he's figured out how to run and govern an estate in which republicans are heavily. Outnumbered by democrats. You know in baker has done such a good job threading the needle that he's actually more popular with democrats than he is with members of his own party that said a number of moderate republicans also support them and for good reason. You know he knows how to win. He raises a ton of money. So here's jane swift She's the former governor of massachusetts. She told me earlier this year that she does jamie. She asked the same question. You're asking she doesn't understand why. Republicans like lions and his backers are not embracing baker. They should be coordinating charlie baker. They should send him flowers. They should how we likes his coffee and make sure that they and deliver it to him. So jamie swift said shocking. That a party. That is almost irrelevant. This is these are her words as an asset like charlie baker would be almost at war with the most important attribute. They have anthony thirty seconds here because we do have a hard clock. Where do you see this version of the gop massachusetts gop going. Well it's clearly you know the current course of the state. Gop recipe for success as one republican said to me We're fighting an uphill battle as it is now. The party represents less than ten percent of the electorate at strapped for cash. It's at war with its popular governor. It doesn't seem like this is a way forward and to grow the party. Well we'll see also if the governor chooses to run for another term that is w our senior political reporter anthony brooks. Anthony is always great to talk to you. Thank you so much my pleasure jamie thank you.

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Glossiers growth hack, DocuSign jumps 22% on its gateway drug, and Beyond Meat falls 4% on fresh competition

Snacks Daily

15:37 min | 2 years ago

Glossiers growth hack, DocuSign jumps 22% on its gateway drug, and Beyond Meat falls 4% on fresh competition

"This is this is Jan.. Pieces snacks daily is Monday burke nine. Welcome back to snack daily welcome back to NFL. This is the best next. This is the best one yeah way better than what we've put out Friday. smackers markets have risen two weeks in a row very big. Basically there was no terrible updates about the trade war and that was enough. We were doing nothing over the end the the summer markets were doing their thing what we got today. Jack Remember when we mentioned all those meatless meal companies last week dropped beyond meat stock by five percent on Friday being. I isn't a guarantee if you ain't I there might be beyond me second story would we docu sign is the e-signature powerhouse who stock jumped twenty two percent Friday because it's master astor one art oh the art of reducing the friction what does wd forty and having come back. What is our third story. We got the Unicorn of the day as glossy the makeup startup snagged a new coo from Amazon that got. US curious got US curious back last year and what got it to this point. The answer growth hacks snacker knackers. Have you noticed there's one hundred calories missing from like your daily Diet. Apparently the problem might be a lack of white cloth. Apparently the United States is literally running out of the Alcoholic Seltzer. We've talked about this bike seltzer. It is pioneering Hashtag Hawker. All summer is revolutionizing beach drinking but there's a problem because that revolution apparently we didn't hit supply chain fast now. The company says we're working hard around the clock to increase supply given the rapid growth in customer demand Jack doing his whitelaw voice. Their technically that was the actual press just released. We talk about the sales numbers yeah last July versus this July two hundred an eighty three percent growth that is almost quadrupling from those of you. Who Don't I don't understand you like to do the math for it. Now we've found out about this because of the fizz fiasco discovered by Kath yes CAF created a twitter account just to send us a snack fact and hand to ask for some teaboy March. We love that you just got right to the core. Why bother with your own regular twitter account starting new just for snack that now we don't give out teaboy marched edges everyone on yet your size and we'll see what we can do. Daily ooh Candy. They don't reflect the views of robinhood family adjust recommending any security is not a research report. Org vestment advice security digestive business news financial. LLC members as last as our first story Docu signs doctors jumped twenty two percent because it's mastering the art of killing for action but I can. We talk about that signature. Hell I hate to sign and apart us. It is in their huge pain. We're talking you you get there. You had two months deposit. You gotta give two personal reference. You you gotta like name your first born after the give up your dog but then signing the thing is a big pain then that's when you get to the signing yeah. You got those little plastic strips with the arrows. I remember when we signed our first lease East Fourteenth Street between second and third avenues beauty bar incredible spot. All four of US had to go in there and physically signed. We were physically. That's what you used to have to do. When you end a war with a treaty and Poland tree ever sock Docu sign has fixed this completely there pitched Jack some enough for US complicated. Yeah helps organizations connect automate how they prepare sign act on and manage agreements. That's great if you WanNa bore me. Can you give me the real pitcher what they actually do. e-signatures for Contra it's it's e signatures and by the way you can customize these e signatures to write it out. They'll actually propose like Nick Martel in super script but then they'll let you write your own right check. It's stressful because then you're likely that an okay I'm gonNA. Try Try to get this end. Docu side. IPO in May of last year and their stock surged twenty two percent Friday after a great earnings of basically had been flat. It had to been doing much before before Bowie. How big is the company over here. Context it's worth ten billion dollars based on their market cap and that's about two thirds of a lift now e signatures for Docu sign like a gateway drug so true science greatest challenge is actually its greatest benefit. You only use Docu sign when you need to get something side but when you need to get something signed you end up abusing its e signature feature and then you're kind of a little hooked. It's got a whole bunch of other drugs besides ise right because not just e signatures. It's helping manage documents helping store. Things is prepare all enterprise software. Thanks so we're GONNA talk about. Two Quick Quick Quick Case Studies. Yes t mobile is a big hockey. San Custom right because you get there. You're going to get the phone. You're in the store. You're switching from verizon to t mobile and you start to sign the process and then they're like Mister Kramer. Can you please initial here. Can you please initial. What's that three hundred dollar thing. They're just keep going in four hundred signatures and one hundred percent correct on this so Docu Sign Makes T. Mobile's on boarding process a little smoother right but then you got comcast which is doing the same thing they've started it using Docu sign not just re signatures but for the whole on boarding when they send like a repairman to come to your place to install it used to six volume set of paperwork to you now. He's got an IPAD managing the whole customer on boarding process the payment set up everything so document now that customers have started using these signatures and then doing more the number of subscriptions options is surging for doc you up forty one percent last quarter and now docu sign has four hundred thirty seven thousand paying customers worldwide and added twenty nine thousand last court so jack. What's the takeaway for our buddies over. Documenting dot there is docu signs friction Lewis Free. Trial is the key to its success. Here's the interesting comparison adobe does the same exact I think it's got an email e-signature services but docu sign is the one we're talking about on this pod and it's the one that has hundreds of millions of users. Now Adobe tries to do a free trial but they like load this thing up with pain. It's a huge pain just like signing a contract Japan. You have to give your credit card brutal and they're like don't worry we won't charge you until you're free trials up. It's like I still don't WanNa. Give my credit card now. They're like that character and Lord of the Rings. You shall not pass US trying to use the free product. That friction makes you not want to do the free trial. Meanwhile docu sign they like barely early even ask for email address and then your free trial the result is that Docu sign gets access to hundreds of millions of people who have tried the Docu sign product and once you try and have a good experience so you're more likely to become a pain and that's because e signatures are there gateway drug for our second story beyond me. Stock has dropped in the last few months. Basically because ridiculous dickey's competition on meet the insane stocks and sation of twenty nine thousand nine actually has had a bad chapter this summer and things got worse on Friday. It dropped like four percent for a few reasons yeah key one here well one analyst came out and strongly said this market for alternative me. It's not as big as people think he thinks it actually could be smaller than plant based milks. Yes yes vote cashier. No one does Brazil nut milk but could be an unlock market. One entrepreneur just got an idea in Brazil Jack other issue. Here's the case. The biggest issue here is competition exactly and it is coming from everywhere. Things got kicked up like like four notches specifically last week. Big Food Dude came to play last week in plant based we got Kellogg Hormel Kroger Taste. We're talking about companies that make cereal cornflakes and spam and now they're coming out with plant based. It's me it's and they came up with some hilarious name. We were blown away by the incognito tiny little plants simple truth raising rooted which are at least four we actually asked knackers last week to come out and tell us their best names on the next play. These were fantastic. We love this meat which is not meet but NEAT NEAT. That's from Navene Gene Rwanda and then Ahmed Hassan just came out with one that I want to put this on a t-shirt beef and beef and that simple now beyond me as two main sales channels restaurants lots of grocery stores about fifty fifty. It's interesting now. The new brands the ones we just mentioned they're focused on crowding. One specific sales point the grocery store exactly it's like beyond me me and impossible. Foods both discovered one empty gate to get into the stadium exactly rush there now. Everyone's like Oh my God. There's an empty gate. Suddenly securities crowd is rushing rushing into that game. They're making you take your shoes off now. So now what you have is a grocery store. Aisle is GonNa have a bunch of different plant based meat options and it might just become a price war. They lowest cost apple went so Jack. What's the takeaway for buddies over beyond me first mover advantage like beyond me ask it only works in certain scenario okay so in the grocery aisle beyond first mover advantage. It's not really helping here. There's going to be a battle for shelf space now and Kellogg and Kroger. They have long lasting relationships with grocery store. They're not just going to give up this fresh shelf space they have to another beyond on me in restaurants the first mover advantage beyond me has that may hold and they've got great relationships already beyond partnered with KFC subway Dunkin blue the Apron Tim hortons those partnerships like KFC isn't just going to drop beyond me and go with someone else in fact for Dunkin donuts they literally call the sandwich like the beyond breakfast the sound and because those restaurants relationships the first mover advantage is key that means the next one. McDonald's is going to be critical. McDonald's hasn't picked a provider of plant based meat yet for it's inevitable plant based big Mac but when it does it's going to want to choose an option that is established new and has supply chain that can handle the scale yeah not necessarily these big companies that are just dabbling and checking it out and have shown up late to the game by the way this is. Nick and both Jack and I own shares of beyond me for our third and final story we gotta talk about a Unicorn of the day here glossy. They just made a strategic higher. Let's give some cosmetic context here. SPF on by the way I do we do both thirty the thirty five last week we talked about alter which is a thousand physical stores another cosmetic. Queen Sephora twenty five hundred stores Galante has five and yet. It's worth one point two billion dollars because it is a direct to consumer online beauty company crushing online skin can here's what they just did the HR team over there was able to snag a one thousand nine hundred Amazonian to become the chief operating office out when you hire a nineteen year Amazonian it means no more Mister Nice Glossy. We should clarify this. This is as someone who worked at Amazon for nineteen. Now Glossy is big with middle and high school girls especially people in their twenties big portion of our snacks listenership and it has one hundred million in annual revenue. One million customers have used Gaza and for the record. It's a private company has an IPO but the reason this has really been driven by growth is what the C. CEO and founder the gloss boss Emily Weiss's done she built the company to look great on Instagram and that strategy is paying its core value. The company now has two who point three million followers is more than double the number of customers it has but that many are following on instant now if your focus is on looking at instagram because you want to sell the instagram that means packaging packaging becomes as important as the product the outside of a glossy product is as important as the interface and this thing is gorgeous you kinda put on your face as you probably want to eat that lip. The packaging is wonderful. It's pink it's clean. It's simple but stylish got like that bubble. Wrap option there with the zippers in this pink bubble wrap up next and I'm telling you it should be your torture. It's beautiful with you try. They would be giving the stuff away in order just to make friends. If you WANNA make somewhere now. The boy brow is one of their top like like I've <unk> shaping products bomb dot com and other one so do you know what Obama's no idea but I know the name is something I want to share and definitely put my users of glossy are posting <unk> glossy products on instagram. Get this Nikkan ideal. Hack researcher got some numbers here Hashtag Glossy. The number of glossy posts on Instagram is four hundred seventy four thousand how's that so many people have posted pictures of air products on instagram and when it comes to Kim Kardashian who is the queen of instagram. She's been Hashtag. K. K. W. beauty five hundred forty seven seven thousand times so glossy and Kim Kardashian are right there neck and neck in instagram performance of their products was a crash in one is a startup that is good company suject. What is the takeaway for buddies over glossy find your growth hack now. Growing is hard marketing focuses on it and they tend to do TV ads billboards. It's free samples. Maybe some subway spots now all of those things nick just mentioned they're very expensive but some really creative and successful unicorns particularly brand accords they managed to find growth growth hacks lost. Its growth hack was making packaging that is instant candy and leading your users. Do Your advertising for you on instagram outdoor voices wanted to get you in their leisure gear but but they also gave you that free tote that pretty much. Everyone has walking outdoor voices billboard when I go to the airport. I always bring that Jack and I commute in the bags. Were dedicated to them Casper. Does you know the mattress in a box yeah exactly when you unblock that thing as it expands. I literally posted that video and instant. It's like I man on the moon moment. You want to tell everyone. I remember the first time I saw it. It'll never it's not just these millennial brandon companies. If you go way back to skype we're talking growth hack history. I skype users users after they made their first phone. Call it would ask. Do you want to add your entire. Inbox to become skype irs boom easy one click and then you get like an email going to everybody in your inbox asking to join join. Scott Growth hacks should become a business school class. We're calling it now. It's GONNA growth hacks accelerate growth for cheap. You got to be creative and it's how glossy became a Unicorn. This is Jack. I also own stock in Amazon Jack in your whip. The takeaways over there to start back Nick Docu sign has made the free trial friction land and that's why hundreds of millions have free tried to thing for easing Gers. The Gateway Signature well set second-story beyond meat stock is down because of a bunch of new competition that hit last week. He can barely breathe in that grocery store. I'll I'll six with the parent based. Meat is so crowded third final glossy just hired an Amazonian to be the chief operating office. It's at a new phase a phase the growth acts have paid off big now packaging now time for our snack fact today this one said and by a one two Combo Punch Judith Anjali they both live in Washington. DC SO THEY WANNA point out there not from DC their hometowns are Grinnell Iowa and Raleigh North Carolina Judean. It's like a it's like a seventies. TV show it sounds like a seven Judas behind the wheel driving jealous man in the podcasts gye heard that we are in DC last week true but they wanted to appoint a common misconception belief that no buildings may be built that are taller than the Washington monument or taller than the capital that is a myth that has been carried on from generations and generations. That's not true it's actually just due to this one thousand nine hundred ten height of Buildings Act passed by the DC pretty boring here one hundred thirty feet that is the width of street Santa I answer in. DC and if you're a new building you can't build higher than the street is wide yeah. Bring out your calculators result Washington Monument and Capitol building tallest exactly 'cause ones on the mall and one's on the mall knackers love starting the week with guys have a fantastic fantastic one to reduce mark. We'll talk tomorrow on it. 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Survivor Series '89

Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard

2:45:37 hr | 1 year ago

Survivor Series '89

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Happy Thanksgiving everybody. I I hope was enjoyed their Turkey. They're all stuffed by God. You've had PUMPKIN PIE head Japa- pie edge fruit the forest pie edge cranberry sauce stuffing Hedge Fried Turkey Edge Green Bean casserole with almonds shit on top stop what the fuck is a fruit of the forest PA did he'd never had voiced by clearly not good God. It is the greatest thing ever get Silverman's farms and it's Apples strawberries rhubarb blackberries blueberries. BLUEBERRIES force all one pie in. It is magnificent. I don't want anything that's MAG but I'll tell really what I am pretty excited magpie. Now don't want that either. Damn your Thanksgiving Day. Tradition continues little something to wrestle. Watch along action. This year we're bringing survivor series. Nineteen eighty nine. And Hey there's something to be thankful for. You're getting something wrestle. A day early Bruce we're GONNA fire the WWE network and we're GonNa Click play on this. 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But Certainly Press Mute Bruce will give you a countdown and when he says play press play. And we're GONNA have some fun that I I you. We know the rules. I go five four three two one place when I say that p. l. a. y. word again You hit the button all right right. Five four three two one play. What g talking about brother? This thanksgiving dude. It is a survivor series. So a hook maniacs going to be their brother tonight. It's all about what's going to happen at the end of the show brother. We'll everybody knows their three words. Everybody abides by that's Hook. Must pose rather Pity what to do because I looking for time cues here brother survivor series. I think that's the other got coming up later on dollar man Virgil last great. Promo Birgit he's thinking about that. Meat Sauce survive an free guilt. Free Guilsher Macho King will reign supreme same as we get more time than everybody else It's amazing that was a gimmick. What how I love the early from my polka-dot theon things given day babe a bit Boston scientific for his ball and chain? And there's the Biefer by God and Rick Martel. He's got this glasses beautiful ravishing rick rude. He sang for kissing all the lovely ladies. Camel that HAP- thought rod thankful for being cheap and I'm thankful for writing poems absolutely perfect I know oh Atlanta Papa was really thankful for thankful for Sardines Yeah we're GONNA almost mike out so we love each other or give Eh At best ever cut the. I love this the theme here Dick Wick Team Nice little old school services. I have seen this. You told me I wasn't allowed to watch this still today. Well here's what's fascinating about this. Look there it serves totally blanchard but telling a here. Yeah well we're GONNA talk about that. There's lots of other play the audio here to slay out for a minute. Don't press it on your son vendors. The the job Rodney's Riley's acts on daca cocaine Randy's added joint member rugged rugged Ronnie Garvin spent time with Brad Hart data particularly the arts crank four by four against dusty Rhodes lost the news along with Rodney Stark Rickenbach China. Bad the Dream Team personally enforcers captain. Aw Ten DB joined fellow members. Jake Test Nick Roberts the the million dollar team it God damn I love the old horns and the themes Jim. Johnston was addicted to the saxophone in the late eighties and it made me very ever happy. Well he liked the bighorns by God in bids liked all that big the big sound the big band sound by God so Vince during the voice over what I wanted everybody to hear. It's just phenomenal. Hits me in all the fields when Vince would introduce different talent. But you know it's very noticeable when there's an edit in there there's no where near the same levels her environment where events is is cutting some of this especially uh the insert you heard for the earthquake which is just jarring at so different. How far in advance does Does it does a voice over like this happen it depends shit. Sometimes we did at that day. You know it would. It would really depend on whether or not We had something specific that I would do during the week during when we were all into voice overs. Rod Get Vince to come over to the studio and cut got some in the Audio booth or lot of times and probably this time. We just cut something that that day like. All those promos should all that was done that day and laid out so he may have done it that very day. I don't know why I'm just fascinated by the fact that it feels sort of thrown together you know there's lots of questions about out Tully Blanchard who was advertised with a show but doesn't make it. We'll get into it. We're watching the mouth of the south. Jimmy Hart come into the ring. And of course he's got slick with him. What a what an interesting group folks? This is Rick Martel Bad News Brown the big boss man and Honky tonk man won't bog there. The enforcers just fascinating. I mean it feels like a joke. You know corrections officer Elvis impersonator a model and a judo champion. Walk into a bar. Barbara comes down. Yes with I mean how would you describe his. Look to announce honor if you're gonNA describe the way. Burt US looks to a non wrestling fan. Nineteen eighty-nine Chic by God and not to Sheiky baby for to humble. He's he was a tackle. My God the Red Rooster Ladies and gentlemen. I believe that's an old Terry Taylor Robe that he's cut up and made say rooster on the back. That's a rooster jacket. All bid fog is among and got Emma Polka dot my not stick. I'm ready to what somebody they have. It's a culmination shing if you will all the big ball man American dream dusty Rhodes just common man son of APLOMB. The wealthy Diploma Maria Medina will they're wealthy Grew up on the Thatta town. which all of Beautiful isn't it. Amazing how some of the things we saw. We've always been led to believe or just well a little less than factual well it's called storyteller. Ghani you now believe it or not. British Mar beefcake was was on the Olympic name. Name really he had to hide that as a heel so his only Olympic team of what well you know know what sport what was the the event that he was on a team for wrassling really. Ras's and that's wrassling. So Bruce you know this is is obviously Thanksgiving Day tradition. We've talked about this a little bit before but tell everybody you know what Thanksgiving Day would have been like in the WWF in nineteen eighty. Now did God get there early. You know four. Let's see this wall. Oh man this was a Chicago Oh and this was We actually flew commercial so the next day we all were at the airport extremely early elite flying back to white plains. The have Thanksgiving dinner with our friends and family and usually somebody would have big Thanksgiving dinner. Thanksgiving Day consisted of getting to the building and having a very quick production meeting everybody getting their assignments. Jason Golden laying out their matches. It wasn't like like it turned into with long production meetings and laying everything out. This was a pretty much simple aa the land and then Agents got together with her talent Laid everything out figured out what they were GonNa do for that evening and we went to work if we had pretaped to do like the opening of the show. We'd get everybody in there as soon as possible. Get him dressed have them do their thereby about what they were thankful for in. Go have some Turkey and dressing and Sauerkraut because the guy that order the catering. WHO's German always like Sauerkraut with Turkey and rock and Roll rock-n-roll enroll indeed? What's your What's your memory of of holiday? Travel like this when back when you guys were doing commercial you know the big the big group of guys stepping out to get to the airport together. I assume in this. Since you're talking about the commercial was everybody still renting a car here and getting himself so the airport. Are you guys renting a big bus. What's that process? Look like at fascinating of all the talents all on their own. They're you know they have the guys they travel with ride with so They're doing it all on their own and we were the same way. We went to the airport ourselves and got rental cars when we landed and went went to the hotel stood lines. This is like everybody else and checked in so it was. Everybody did the same routine pretty much. You just did it with those that you traveled with but it wasn't like a big Krugel through a lot of times. Everybody just gotTa did. Their own thing kept themselves and when you spend so much time with everybody in locker rooms rooms in in cars shit that Wall flip-flop Flab is just standing there looking lackluster. Will I do. My gyrations is a Shia Alcohol is to say the American dream and big bubba Rogers and WF rain here. Yeah that was big bubba barrage skinny Ray traylor later on. But you know what he's a move and some of them are bits for nine hundred ninety nine big fella. Yeah no Oh shit no shit you can always go man. It was like us a hell of athlete. How underrated Israeli all Tom? I think people give him his due. Really do think that people like to go back and visit that Barajas Bullshit. And that's what they very few people that ninety eight percent of the people look at the big boss man and only knew him as the big boss man but you know for those I know dusty always only saw him as Rogers and for those that did yeah it was. It was a period in time and it wasn't that long. He was Bob Rogers so he was big boss man and obviously obviously much more success as big boss and plus he got to show off what he could do athletically and they actually could work and he wasn't athlete and he could go How fucking money? Rick Rick Martel. Look here Gabor. God written Martel always kept himself. Shake a one of the best workers. Not always the best talker will by God let that bell rang and Rick Martel would work with a broken broomstick room. Stick didn't matter so what's up with the came here. The original plan is I came name. The African dream is supposed to be on this spot. But he's replaced by Bad News Brown. What's up with that? I think like this was during the time. The team had been disenfranchised and wanted to go home. So happens from time to time uh-huh and that's about all it was. I don't know that it was anything more than a king feeling. He was worth more than what he was making. And and he was tired of their own lives in Louisiana and big George like travelling in the car but he did not. He didn't like getting on an airplane. Big Man and didn't like sitting in coach and having to Get hit with the you know the beverage cart all the time it's yet so it's I just. I think everything took its toll. Well that's worth mentioning. You guys are running pretty hard here. burnout Israel burnout Israel. And this is the time that you know for here. These guys went on the road. They continued on the tour every single line all through the weekend. That was a big money weekend so no no rest for the weary prevented worse. A lot of folks Have heard that sort of the the attitude of the office. Was You know the the office. I mean just interesting in general you gotta our work through injuries. You don't Miss States You know you just keep grinding. It feels like on some level in there was some cheese Moa the play and if you try I would just imagine that some guys if they were told well so and so had to go home. They're burn out. That would be met with a lot of don't be a pussy man Moreau You know probably from some people but you know I think everybody was feeling it and it's when it's all you've ever done you you become accustomed tune it's second nature. Don't shifts no wave life. Yeah so you don't think about it in when someone else gets burnout in. You're not burnt out yet. It's fuck bran. What's what's the big deal? It's what we do right and you just don't you get into that mode doesn't make anybody postseason or any less than it's just how they deal with that situation and you know it's a way for me even now folly back into the groove it. It took a little bit of time but same time. It soon. As you're there you feel like I never left and you just get right back into the no sleep and move forward and just keep keep right on going and Don't you don't even think about it. It's it's funny. My family is falling right back into that group as well and I'm home much more four now than I ever was but it's it's a mindset I think in it's it's just something that you you either do or you don't and for those who can do it once you're in the grind You just keep on going man. It's way live. That's what you chose or seeing the former tag team partners here. RIP It up dead. God Martin Tito just two of the absolute best. You can watch more all day long. Why do you think Marquel Sense? Retirement has has really shot away from wrestling more than a lot of other. I think really got into his family. And realized that there's another life out there's a whole nother world out there other than wrestling and felt that if he couldn't perform at the level that that he performed and he had they just had a new life. Why go back Some guys hang on too long and they don't know anything else. Rick learned a new hold man. Rick Rick went out and MSAC file enrich just you know got into something else. Nothing you know it just kind of is what it is. Rick has no interest of coming back and being a part of anything. He's kind of moved on from that phase of his life life. Well so did you. I mean you talked about that here on the show for a long time and then once you got an opportunity to sort of try try it all and see how it fits your back in loving it and having more fun than ever do you think that's just sort of the natural progression like you know you start off feeling a little a little hesitant and I don't know been there done that. Got The t shirt wants to send your blood man once. You got an opportunity to do it again. You're having a blast last right. Yeah 'cause I've always loved the business and I it's you know you think about it. I was ten years old in around the circus so it's all I've ever really known in It's without it. You know. Yeah there was. There was some emptiness but I was trying to to move on without him because I just always always felt didn't want me anymore so I didn't want anymore I'll show you and didn't think about it for a long long time and come back I it's it's just like getting on the bicycle again or get back on the horse. You'd never forget how to ride. I wish we had a blue spot this week. 'cause that would've been a good time. Yeah you know Terry Taylor the always been heat magnet or is that something from just the last twenty years or so oh god no of terriers logs. I've known Terry has always been a been a heat magnet. You know it's like I'm a heat magnet. It's your Terry's natural smart ass says what's on his mind and not. Everybody likes that. Some people do some people. Don't but Terry is as long as I've known him going back to when I first met him in Memphis Tennessee. Let's see it's just always been a heat magnet. Did you ever have a falling out with Terry I don't think so I mean Terry may disagree with that but but I don't think so. Now why would terry thank you follow now. I don't know I just think Terry Sang's differently someday. Definitely see things differently than I did and I just. I believe that Terri can manifest. NFL things in his mind sometimes aren't actually there but Teaches oh does he does. He like being perceived as he'll or C. oblivious. I would find it. I don't think he's oblivious at all and I think that from a from a deep down I think Terry probably wants to do good in the Terry doesn't doesn't see that I think Terry you you know from a place deep within him really wants to do good people. Oh I don't doubt that at all I just you know certain times people. We'll have you know different personalities. And and they bring on some of that themselves because they really enjoy. SORTA stern's stern stuff up and you've been on in sales environments where there's a bunch of salesmen together usually. There's one in that bunch you're just likes to keep everything stirred up trump. Yeah that's the nature of the beast. That's just life. Everybody thank Hazar their group that you could pick out all those people in it guy that jump off the yacht last law always one. That's kind of off. The beaten path is always one in the bar. At the end of the night you say jumps off the last. Yeah just saw that on below deck last night. It's always funny. I'm like dude. You've changed minds. We've got an goats now. Yeah Yeah you know the Adis about About dusty and in the full polkadot a gimmick. Here Baby I love it. I know that you know he may not have and a lot of people. Don't love before but this is and I know that people get ordinance. Say this this is the first time I saw us here. I was Wfan so my introduction to dusty was this dusty and man. I wanted that action figure has sedan bad. I remember where I wasn't a I saw it and align was brutal so mom wouldn't get it for me and I'm like I've never seen this one before and now of course pretty valuable so thanks a lot. MOM waited go mom. I love this version of dusty. Yeah I mean this was the most famous version of dusty. No matter what anybody wants to believe in this was also the most money that dusty ever made. What's the deal with? Bad News always walk announced. What was it a gimmick or did he just really refuse to put anybody over? Oh my God a lot of people over. Here's the thing not bad news. Brown doesn't get along with anybody. He doesn't play well with others. I have heard we've talked about here on the show that he could be difficult. Finishes to the point that you know Hogan's even told us and Lord knows Hogan is always nothing but the truth. Just the facts Ma'am but that he wouldn't you know on house shows whatever for he would always demand schmaltz finish. He didn't WanNa just get pinned clean. So they had to come up with a way to entertain in and create an out so he came up with this fucker helmet and the fist fucker helmet would allow for a Deke. WanNa fuck finish as opposed to somebody pinning bad James Brown and I know that by today's standards who gives a shit but we've talked about that with that particular type of doing business with Roddy Piper before so. It doesn't seem seem like the craziest question in the world but by all means please continue to shed on me bad days. That was his gimmick. That was gimmicky. Didn't play well with others and he was a loner so he would always walk out and I think Vince you know again you have to go back to. There's guys don't WanNa play ball. They don't play ball very long. and Vince is making the ultimate decision. Vince made a decision. He wanted to protect bad avenues. And this was one way of protecting him as you go out in you. Make sure that he's at Lone. Lone Wolf County. Guide doesn't work with anybody eighty cooperatively. Good look I I mean this is classic right here to classic the best of the Best Honky Tonk Man British. The Bar beef gate. I want to punch you in the Dick hard why that was great. You can't you can't look at the audience you're going fucking nuts. Cake just read honky-tonk the biggest pop of the night. Well we'll see what was inaugurate. Oh great we saw Sapphire a few minutes ago. She's in the crowd here. Talk to us a little bit. About how Sapphire comes in. I mean this is as far as I know. Don't debut with you guys he's seated ringside dressed just like this gear got a little on-camera cheering action me up. Well we're just looking for a common woman to be with dusty and someone to just help him feel more real. No more relatable Sapphire was Juanita right from from Kansas City and she had worked a little bit princess. Little cloud cloud or something like that and Kansas City and independence. And things of that nature but Terry Garvin about her for a while. I had actually met met her at some wrestling fan conventions years before and just the Swiss woman you ever wanted to go. But she was real. And and when Vince was looking I want you know someone that could not be dusty manager per se but the help nope dusty relate to the audience a little more and that will sapphire so She met Manson and she just just a warm warm really sweet lady and she was way too nice for this business. Yeah that's what I've heard pretty consistently. Yeah she just was very simple. loved loved wrestling. She loved it but once she got into the machine realized that this is a lot harder than and she was older too ooh and she she might have been fifty years old at this point in had never really traveled Never really worked at this level before and it was hard work so it took its toll on her after a while she. She got weary pretty quickly. I'm surprised has the ear still able to work at your advanced stage shares. So much older now funny acted like she was all because he's fifty bro. Oh you're at the high five sixty but she had never done it before then to me if he got even more miles on your old tiredness beefcake the barber being the model look at him. Gone crazy for beefcakes win. They're going banana they love them some beefcake boy he was over her her tears. Go and pick him to death. talked a lot about slick. You Got Slick Stories Godkin. Johnson was legit preacher minister real life and his. You know the story goes which I don't think is true. Leaves Roofs Are Joan Son. But I don't think that's true. Why anything that's not sure? Well because slit told me at one true but at the same time you know. I've heard heard I've heard him tell people that it was true but he was from Dallas Fort Worth and because I think someone had seen him in Kansas City with Rufus that they just thought it must be roof. Assum it maybe they are. I don't know but Israel names Ken Johnson. Dammit we need though and we call slick and do a little more shit on this. No why not. Because he's as a minister he he won't tell you the truth. I'll why would you come on what I need to get your land about. Oh come on Bruce Aw Come on. That's not necessary. It's not st with a big splash. They're surviving here dog. Doc look out boss man come on hit him in the bed swinging the shit on my back him. You can protect clean break. MOM owner here. Handcuff me whatever. You won't do Let's go make some money now. Now I take that day a bowling ball every night for a while with the ball and chain shit. Toge- Eh all talk while Stephanie. Like that well. You know by the way before. Twitter's nights Stephanie is the name of his actual wife. There's more than one Stephanie ever born and I married one yes she in fact is Stephanie Pritchard. Don't put a t in his name but went on your back. Richard Dot Com. Get them she is when you buy a shirt shirt right now. You like twenty percent off L. Black Friday sale accent. Come out no codes necessary Cadillac on here. We got no all dusted busted open. Look at a young my key Ota oh my God referee Mike. IOTA dusty with Cranston Mask Crimson trickle. Very much a crimson trickle criminal trigger a muscle shaven will get into the bag in my bloodstains self here dusty bleeding as it's going to be what gets in this GIG here. I guess it gets shown the door by turn in this era. Nice any now if he would have had to run this past and Asian prevents somebody to get color like this I. That was just an accident he probably just got whacked and got some result. Scars opened up and even in the best is going to bleed. He's going to bleed account babies Meghan get out of the dream baby on replay. The audio here from Boston. Be My man just joke. What a man is nick? What is he get three men against that he took it? That's that's just got the worst. Your big fat boy. Justice has been and they start born county. It's very you can count on the East puke or online that and was so yeah horrible set dusty and beefcake of a soul survivors. You don't like this I actually do. We can see the actual no. I meant the curtain before with the Bosman. This sets good note is good chant. I think he's a shave faster than me. We'll play the audio from this interview here. The mechanical expertise right. They hit Banhard. Let me tell you something Jean. This is GonNa be the four by fours finest Hour Valentine Bravo. Whoa the Macho King and the earthquake are gonNA find out the hard way what the doors are all right? Here's a man that brings experience chance to the Party and the former rocket. Roddy Guard Greg Term Personal score to settle and I'm going to shut that big ears and stick actors all right. It's the power although the Hitlerian rugged running in any problems tonight talking you can you can feel it and you can see it this team mightier so doing that are Verbeek Jones. My Shit Make Fun of Jim. duggan being cross eyed doug getting they find themselves being fire beautiful Rosemont Horizon Chicago Illinois Law always forever be the Rosemont horizon to me. Yeah so Big Radio Boom last little way to finish with at the two by fours interesting that we break up the Hart Foundation into two separate teams. What's up with that? Well just try. Something new with those guys felt that We could get singles run out of them. The feeling was with Brett at one time specially coming up it was it was wrestlemania four. We had the battle royal. Yeah that's right. That is double crossed Austin Hill. That was the time to look at Brett. Maybe being a baby face in a single baby face and trying that out for a little while and neidhart being just again try something new and he blamed the same Goddamn landscapers are working thanksgiving. Yes I can because of minor going to be here shortly to your your yours is from Hershey Pennsylvania Lavinia then I'll be out here gonNA Trivia your hedges ask Gabe. I'm GonNa just be over here. Take care of that for you. Oh you're taping right now so I probably shouldn't be talking to you. quit for mercy because there's no tape in the shade. You're actually record. Era are a type of instrument that will digitally record Lord. There's actually no. Physical recording of your record is really amazed the bottom technology is. It's got like this. I've got this Device hero cut your tree right down. All I've got to do is pointed at it boom and it's now but it's it's really not a sheet cutter. Cut The tree. So we've had a few going with Greg the Hammer Valentine and Ronnie Garvin so of course. They're on opposite sides. ASSADS macho king coming down here. This is my favorite version of the macho man because And I know a lot of people are going to say okay. That's bullshit but this era of Macho man is when I really became a fan the macho king version. So you know. There's a childhood favourite there for me but there's no sedan horse. We've we've learned that you guys used to call the big chair when Macho King would be carried to the ring. You guys nicknamed it the Sedan. How do you guys decide so Dan or no sedan La Times building would dictate that On the clearance in where we had to set up up in this particular night it just was with all those guys all those entrances probably more than anything. Time gator down there you have to get the sedan in and out and all that bullshit. This this match is going to be pretty important. I love those macho king tights because there's a there's a moment with Bret. Hart art that really sticks out to Brat. His first vivid memory of the survivor series. Is this one nine hundred eighty nine and he says I still remember the moment at the Rosemont horizon with randy savage when we finally tagged in at the exact. Same time me and Macho. There was this unexpected huge paw from the the crowd we could feel it when we got in the ring together and we looked at each other and thaw wide wrestling each other more often. Why aren't we doing business with each other? We wanted to wrestle. Each other in a storyline in our member after that match was over. Masha grabbed me by the wrist. Took me events like man and said I want to wrestle. Him and Vince said to us. It'll happen one of these. These days. The thing about last survivor series match. The people don't remember as I had fractured my sternum. Three weeks before that was the Dino Bravo injury. It was hard for me to move around in that match. But at the end of the match Macho dropped a big elbow on me from the top and that was a pretty hard painful elbow off the top. My ribs were just killing me. But it's cool to hear for his perspective that this was like a Hey wait a minute might be something to this moment so when you sort of explained well the rain we split them up to try something different that benefit anybody more than Brad Hart ever in history splitting them up for attack like this for survivor series. Various 'cause he's off to the races not too terribly long after this. I think so and I think that you know it's an opportunity to go back and you look at different different moments in time if you will and I can. I can remember specific moments in time. Where a reaction from the audience audience was like Holy Shit? You know I didn't. I didn't see that one common where you have an entrance for somebody in a lot of times that it is in a big group when someone surprises you would type of reaction that they get above and beyond everybody else out there with them or what they don't get. Sometimes I go. I go back to the diesel spot when we we just had a spot in the royal rumble for diesel to eliminate a bunch of people. We didn't really anticipate the type of reaction that would would get when we first did it right. We thought this is a cool spot. This'll make him a monster but I don't think we really anticipated the Holy Shit How badly they wanted that at at that point we we we were gold? Slow build in the audience was going to give him to me now. Lot of light blue in this Thing like Tony Shivani has told us that The first person he heard really rant about that was Jimmy. Hart that any I needed opposing colors so if two guys are wrestling any one guy like pillared trunks one darker something but you need some sort of variant. So here comes the big finish from well. The earthquake Anybody ever complain about taking that finish from ten to. Oh my God. It was like a feather like a fad. That well teabag in you. Well he's Canadian okay. Canadian teabags are fine. I forget I appreciate you. Educating you've been on the road longer than I and you you know you've got more international experience absolutely and I'll be honest. I've never have Canadian. Flavored teabags sounds but you have bureau teabag connoisseurs. We all know now. I just have heard Ronnie Garvin that there's two Canadians right there. One East One west lease West Collision. Right here you're definitely a little hanover. By the time cone all trying to play catch. I'll shit I'm in a forty forty one thirty six thirty seven thirty eight thirty nine forty forty one catch up with let me think we don't Bravo swatted Brad. Hart ha ha ha orient now okay. I'm at forty one fifty three fifty four. I'm right on it now. All Right Autho I. It's always weird to me. You get ahead. I'm just faster. Yeah I can tell you should mention this This card here. Fifteen thousand two hundred ninety four fans and the rosemont horizon. That's that's a lot bro. How it is talk a little bit about some news and notes as we had into this I guess I was just talking about the building building. You guys just ditz or adversaries that Rosemont was way. You're on a stick with calling it from now on all time. Why was this such a company favorite? All these years Chicago was top. Five market in Chicago was Always responsive and receptive captive to the product so they loved it we love them always supported it. It just was the audience was it was great audience. Audience always has been so the building itself the way that it's bill the sides go straight up so it looks great for television plus. It's got a lower ceiling that you hear everything and it feels like the audience is right on top of you in there. It's just louder there's another buildings so it's a great great building to perform in. What do you think about the Macho man style? A punching. It's way different. It is everything about randy was different. That was that was by design line because Randy looked at it and saw how one thing is add always taught him was be unique be different Sarangi would take whatever ever he did in what everybody else did and didn't WanNa look the same so he adapted his own way of doing things punches his kicks. Just it's the way randy moved in. The rain was different in. That made him unique and made him stand out away from the pact Greg Valentine's out or is it knee in the back. I was a little snug. Need to look crowded shops. I help teach dino. We know that because I'm crotty man. So he time like a whole thing ever having a cigarette with Dino Bravo. Now I'll smoke really. Yeah I've seen a lot of stuff love ribs sausages brisket risk. It's she spent too much time together again. Ah I mean Turkeys are had A friend of ours in the brother Love Shack upstairs over the Thanksgiving holiday. That's unfair. Yeah they They really enjoyed it. I said that they enjoyed what you've done with the place. Let's not cool man. That's that's my place was quick common. Remember Yeah but you know what. Hold it in Memoriam. Hey are you coming to no-holds-barred Christmas the rumor in and I know you're busy on Friday nights now but the rumor and Innuendo that you could make it on Saturday. You know my little get together here at the house. No I'll be in Milwaukee you can make I can't make it because I can't make it out of their back. You live in on top of a giant mountain takes three days to get up the top of the mountain where the mansion in is in that it takes like an hour and a half to get through security and through all the servants quarters and everything before we get to the main living quarters. Who the fuck thought this stop finish thing was going on there? Well have you ever been stopped by Ronnie Garvin. You would understand but the idea that it's not just one-stop at several gotTa Stop the whole body. I was stunned. You the next eighteen. Do we all the damage hearing like Simon says or. It's sleek about it for a minute. To the crowd I thought Bradman been embellishing but they went nuts when it was Brett and savage. They see as a as the other top guys a single star already. Yeah and Brent looks like a star. He's Tan. Oh Jesus calm down here take a look at it is not Tan. I don't know I'm collarbone savage not Tan colorblind. Well they're tanned. Maybe that's why you stopped. OPTUS thing was okay because you're colorblind. But those of us that can see you got Dino Bravo who's not Tan Bret Hart who stand who looks like star then you got Duggan. But he's from Glens falls New York so you kind of expected he shouldn't be Tan. We should mention meltzer would ride about this. Injury says Bret Hart was hospitalized. After Sunday night's Cardon Toronto when he took the guardrail wrong mass with Dino Bravo. He had to be stretchered out the building and spent the night in Toronto Hospital before being flown home on Monday to Calgary Toronto newspapers reported ruptured spleen. But I'm told that report was incorrect. It has got badly bruised ribs but his in pretty severe pain. Wow that's ironic meltzer talking about somebody else else. Bad and inaccurate reporting boy can we. Can we talk about him ever and you're not get fired up or is that it's not possible anymore if he ever report PORTA something honestly probably well. Hey reported that pops are paying us once. Well I'm sure he would like to know. Since that's he's never seen it he wouldn't no end so therefore he's a liar. He talked to somebody who was there. Okay yeah well because he never would there and he just wishes he was. That's all you can do is write about it. I feel like I want to do something fun with you. You'll do something fun. What do you WanNa do fun? Commie has called the dirty game room. And it's only on Youtube to search for the dirty game room or lava tube dot com forward slash last dirty game room and click subscribe mark. Allen is the creator of the dirty game room and he has one main goal in life and I. I can't believe this is real but this this is his mangle in life and I quote make funny and informative videos. You can watch a holding your phone as you take shit and Conrad. You know you're always looking for something to do while you're sitting there well because here's the thing you know. 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Funny and informative videos you can watch while holding your phone as you take shit subscribed today. What's life? Oh come listen to you. Hey Hang on when I say that because as soon as I sought outcomes through it made me need to go to the bathroom. Yeah like we want to see if this really were yes votes. Next time you need to take shit entertain yourself how much fecal legal Matadi thinks on your phone especially after some of the TV. We've seen did you just say finkel matter bickel thought about that was like scientific typic- for Doodoo immoral. Yeah fecal matter. That's yeah that's like pooh-pooh okay. I don't touch anything that like would have anything on. It was a joke about that. is you write for TV being shitty. That's funny talk about the same clever. Oh my God I'm trying to bust my friends balls. Okay yeah that Hurts Conrad. It doesn't yeah. I got feelings man especially during the holidays when I'm sad and I get melancholy after Turkey in the endorphins. James Matab early work within my Assess you call. Let me give you out. I I I had the most Bruce Prichard Lon on ever the other night. Megan our up late watching something and I forget exactly what it was but it was well past when we would normally go to ban. It's like I don't know one thirty in the morning and she says boo it's almost two o'clock or you know it's pretty late that we need to go to bed for work tomorrow and I said I stay airplay during the holiday season. Everybody knows that and I don't know why. But it was the most Bruce Prichard thing I've ever said and tickled me like that. Some deadpan burst Richard. Bullshit out there. I hope she said that exactly. She just rolled her eyes and so good neighbors left. He's thinking of me. Oh she thinks about you every time. She's taking a sheet. I'm glad I'm being thought of do I miss earthquake. Yeah I do too in a it was just. I was so sad Because this is a sad story but it was also a kind of a good story. John used to go to. MD Anderson In his final days in his final years. And that's where my wife went As well and I used to go and when and she would go in for tests and things and you're you're at the hospital and there's not a whole lot to do Set read and do shit. Cause your phone doesn't work in the hospital At least to MD Anderson. Except by the window so I would always go take walk and to make a really depressing place. It was so great the first time that I saw John and it it was in a bad place and he was not feeling well but the smile on his face and smile on my face it it was we hugged and this is how weird weird that community is when when you're going through it We exchanged appointment times so I saw when he was going to be there here for treatment when my wife was going to be there for treatment sock it always go by and see him and just say hello and vice versa. He would make his way over to where my wife was to see if I was sitting in the waiting room and we would visit and I got share time with him right up until his passing in a nicer man. There wasn't just from talking about taking a shift filling a real story. Yeah but I mean he was just you he you know big big guy and just his smile would light up a room and it was really really unfortunate. I also said that a a succumbed to cancer but He he did it with a smile on his face and he fought all the way and I I'm just fortunate. I gotTA gotTA spend that time. You know with him in in very opt up fucked up time but it was made the best of it and he helped me get through my shit and I hope I helped him in some way. Just be able to talk about the fun times and in this Kinda Shit time with Dino Bravo ultimate warrior. He would just laugh his ass off. His voice was so fucking deep in the first first time here comes the that hurt him and we go or member. Brad has a fractured sternum. Couldn't feel good. There's finish red. Heart has been eliminated. Man That was pretty cool to see you know now that we have been fit of knowing what what breath yet Britt smooth a little slow out there. Duggan can keep his eye on all three of those guys without removing his head. Yeah so it's three on one now savage earthquake and Dino Bravo and I think thanks Sherry is going to distract Duggan and Duggan's GonNa get himself counted out so you're three survivors for the heel team will be Macho Man Dino Bravo earthquake and we. We know that earthquakes getting tuned up. Man Who would have predicted the success earthquake what have tell. Everybody remind everybody the interesting interesting way. His character was introduced. Oh it was great because Dino Bravo was talking about you know how strong he was doing push ups in the ring invited someone from the crowd out to come sit on his back in they picked picked big John from the crowd and tend to came out and Bravo was able to do the push ups and then he challenged the ultimate warrior Royer to do the same with tent on his back. And that's when ten to squashed the ultimate warrior and Did a wonderful number on. That's where we come up. Put that big earthquake splash. All that weight come down chefs because tent was another big man. That could actually move. And it was very very impressive to see that size moving as quickly as he did. There's always impressive AC- Sherri Martel as shit. She was queen. Barry Windham as are GonNa make the news here. He's working as the widowmaker character for the company and is it having operation around this time to remove a tumor underneath his breast bone. said it'd be back in a few weeks. What are you remember about Berry named little surgery here it just was you know. I think it was a nagging injury and it was. It was something that he well. He thought was a nagging injury and it was it. Was Lisa a bomb growth. Nothing nothing life threatening or anything like that but it was enough that it. It hurt him that he had to go. Get it checked out by Dr and just went in got it done and felt better after that it was not a big deal. Thank God But he went in to get checked out to make sure that it wasn't anything more then. A abnormal growth was out. Just a little bit but it was does. Kenneth Starr stopped with widowmaker bullet. The would if you wheel. That's what I told him. I A game that allowed the report them in the observer is the BEF is just about made the decision that Wrestlemainia will be in the Sky Dome in Toronto on on April First Nineteen Ninety. I'm told us not official. But a virtual certainty at this point if the show is held Toronto than it would almost surely be held at the Los Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum which is going to hold ninety thousand wrestling Course longtime fans remember that of the l a coliseum would win the opportunity to host Wrestlemania. It'd be the following era so any seven of course ultimately is transferred to the arena. Instead how how close was the coliseum to getting a hair for nineteen ninety pretty close and it was you know it was nip and Tuck out there for a while because just a both Toronto in L. A. and this was also during a time. Where hey there? There were city starting to bid and they're not bid as much as really they really WanNa Wrestlemainia in their buildings. The Coliseum made an attractive offer. It's the same time Toronto which was always hot for us. Had this new beautiful Skydome so the the idea about running an outdoor arena in La although running out in the La in March or April is not that risky bursaspor. Running brand new retractable Dome Stadium. Internationally the in Toronto that that was pretty damn attractive so Toronto one out obviously The next year Los Angeles one out. Vince always looked at Los Angeles. As thank you finally accomplished it with Dallas and Jerry Jones stadium radium there. But he always wanted to do that over one hundred thousand and we were looking at one hundred seven thousand in Los Angeles at the time the the set another record and that he was like now we gotta make sure everything's right and it just was a little more attractive to run the new building building in Toronto newer when you're When chance there Google machine because is there is a video out there at the coliseum main trying to court the WB APP to bring Wrestlemainia there which is just fascinating to look at that? They have made big presentations. You know. Yeah we went and they set up a ring on fifty our line and we we walked in and they had the announcers. Welcome to Russell. Mania had this video for US presentation up on the scoreboard and from there we went in and we had launched and met with the mayor of Los Angeles was there and all the dignitaries telling L.. Is How they wanted us to host Wrestlemainia and their city. It was pretty damn cool. As a matter of fact I remember walking up to the very top seat in the stadium of the furthest seat away from the Centre and sit in those seats just to see okay. This is the worst seat in the house. And you get a feel for that and then you you feel for everything else you go sit in each section Area of the stadium from that point down and kind of get a feel for what the audiences GonNa the field So that was I was blowed up. I tell you that house fuck with the day. Well well he see a million dollar man as into the ring power pain. Mr Fujii's Zeus all in tow. Of course we're just Shortly removed from no-holds-barred. And we've got quite the team coming to face these guys are heroes are going to be Hulk Hogan Demolition and and Jake the snake Roberts and Mantis amazing stuff to talk about here but I think if the formula for pay per view with this company is right probably going to see Hulk Hogan Promo just a second. Aren't we sure so hope so. I love the powers of pain haircut just opposite is it. Yeah it's fun but imagine walking through an airport. They were do rags know about no promo the fans go crazy. I'm GonNa just play the audio here. Suspect how about the size of the snake. They can bag row. Yeah that's nothing compared to the size of the snake that they wanted to bring out and it was about a twenty foot python now it had to be bigger NAT This giant Python that these five guys tried to like carry. The head was bigger than anybody. Any man's head guy and the thing did not want to be held in anyway shape or form and it was in a head to be moved by a forklift clift in a giant crate. Hang on. Let's set the stage in fact we're getting a little ahead of ourselves so we see the The immortal Hulk Hogan coming to the ring here. He's got Ah Three tag partners here. Demolition Jake the snake Roberts. Jake was out I huge ovation. He's Overlap Rover and so since you know. He's getting separate entrances. This is his own theme. Music and jake is really connecting with the audience. Maybe it makes sense for us to instead of just having Jake bring a snake to the ring. What if we got not one fucking gigantic snake and it took four guys to bring it to the ring so you guys reach out and find your snake handler? Remind everybody about this fellow. Yeah he only had like about three fingers and the could see about twenty percent out of one eye and shit like this. He's real good taken over by God. But what's his name is background. Wanted to do for the company name was Albert. He was He hunted snakes and crocodiles and gators and shit like that. Whenever there'd be a flood in Florida he'd be the first one they're trying to? You know. Go find snakes and shed because that's what they would all come out and James Crazy crazy to say the least but imagine a snake the spread the bigger than that. Ring all the way across those four guys trying to hold it and it didn't. I want to be held at all my God. It was moving them and those are some big boys in there but then they you know they just didn't WanNa anything to do with that Jake's looking at the head of the thing and saying how muscles control that he had both hands around and couldn't control it at all so it did not want to go back in the great. How does how does the snake? It transported there gigantic wooden crate big wooden crate. So then when it's time Albert you know the brought it him couldn't lift it. You had to bring it in forklift and brought it in. And then they opened up the opened up the crate and opened up. crite snake came out he was able to wrangle it. In you know get it. Spread out had a couple other handlers. There with him and they got to spread out and it was like okay. I'll pick it up like this. We'll we'll show some big boy. Zaba was a little fella and he couldn't do it he says. Well I mean you know maybe you guys can and they tried in. It was just so damn big so you gotta imagine there's four guys there you have five feet snake in between each of them in in a big snake that if you hold your Armao snake. You couldn't get your arm all the way around it. It was It was intimidating. Say The least and it did not work. Can we quickly scrap that mother fodder will here. We go match this. This is money right here. This is only only the second match. They're having right. This is before the why have a merry Christmas. We can have no-holds-barred Christmas. Yeah that's the following month. This is after a tiny. He'd given up on goal in the Z.. Out just to Polish Shoe Polish. What is Oh my God? The drawing in the rest of the UNI brow two. Yes yes absolutely and then sometimes it got really high and in wider. Yeah sometimes we should so-so while sometimes around slow sometimes around quick. You Know How don's just don't sell shit fixing to say. How easy was it to be Zeus? I may need you to stand. There makes land. I won't pick take time to push off my famer. Just jump right back up. You know just realized well lsat. They sent Goldberg to the zoo school wrestling. If he starts selling in a little while are shaking they can. Oh God he just Bronco. Oh my God Huggins Dad. I've seen enough Ninja movies. I know what happened. Well he's still moving only a holster could probably doesn't know he's dead. Yeah it's like chicken with the head. Cut Off Gimmick yeah that's true. -sition sheds referee. You're not going to get away with that Palley. Yeah what was that. None of the Hugh I I will be killed now accounted five. Look at him. He's he's see got covers is is twice this referee. There you go. You're Outta here pal. Yeah get Outta here there. Come on zoos. Even his own tag team partners saying enough. Yeah yeah you got millions of dollars Diaz e we know we know Lance Russell as your favorite now. He's got the cash. Yeah you'll get it in the back. Go on yes. The international side. I'm Million Dollar Arman. I got money. Let me move by fingers. Ted Yeah go on your Z's coming off pal thought that shit was permanent markers man and I'm I'm being serious people think I'm fucking playing ha ha but I always wanted to do the the Z.. In white in like when he had his hair wanted to bleach it white so would pop off of his head in like that out there. Now you didn't nobody did what we'll talk. You make it white or almost silver wood matches it would matches trunks and all that shit not just needed different. do his eyebrows what we did the movie. Yeah but still be cooler. You're here in ninety nine. So can use in his own dressing room as he dressing while everybody else everybody else. When do you remember separate dressing? Rooms are coming thing. Not until after he left. I don't mean Hogan I just mean in wrestling period did not until after Hogan left. So so who would have been probably hulk. WCW and people you know talking about that and You know there were. There was always guys that got separated themselves from the pack. It Times Warrior did Randy did the rent. You Know Randy did if there was a place for him and Liz dress privately A reason for it it wasn't a Prima Donna thing by any stretch of the imagination. And you know go back to work. There weren't even until many many years later. Did you and announcers got a separate dressing room. So they weren't in with the boys But even that was few and far between back in the day would you say about I mean how would you describe the demolition again to a non wrestling fan. Too Bad ass monsters. All right. What's scary talk to me about covering himself in glitter he's not covered in glitter? The glitter the glitter shine comes from the the shit on his trunks now. He's not coating himself he's so yeah. What what what? What are the guys used to put on their body to make their their ship pop and hot stuff? Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I bet he's got some hot stuff on various to look at him. I love the Jacob on the Apron doing his best Saying now no wasted motion Jake by God now he has captained less is more and that's important. Let's talk about something that we wish was maybe a little less meltzer rights supposedly huckabee where we'll be back early next year. After being fired in Europe apparently Jim Troy Titan VP. Be in charge of international affairs and lying on pay per view buy rates was the instigator of their five Brussels. Choi officially resigned from the company in order to work more in boxing though he still working at the same office and still a consultant. To tighten later they would Ri- and Beau. Jack was announced as the new vice president of international national and pay per view operations for tied sports replacing. Gyms Roy resigned after his brawl with coca where Europe according to tides press release troy left to pursue opportunities as an independent consultant for pay per view an international television sales. I got to tell you. We haven't talked a lot about Jim Choi but whatever his name it's always with the fight or can you reference to us about just. Jim Troy the person. Jim was a hockey goon. Jim Was A semi pro hockey player. That was again guy that used to get sent in to go get in fights with the other eighteen and try and get their you know their best player thrown out for fighting and things like that. Jim was part of the Cape Cod hockey team. That Vincent bought when he bought the Cape Cod Coliseum first starting out and troy had international connections had always been involved in boxing promotion and things of that nature so he invented it worked together and Jim was the first one to go out and start making deals internationally for the company for take distribution and live events. Everything International. That was that was Jim. Trolling the early years. And Jimmy obviously fucked up with the fight with cocoa and it was a it was just kind of a bad scene all the way around. But he you know this time Yeah he he quote resigned but afterwards I don't think he really had any choice at that point. I don't think he wanted to be around it. I saw him in the office when he came back from Europe in his face was a mess so I think that he you don't even think he wanted to hear he was fired or anything else. It's like he saw the writing on the wall and came in and resigned was done but he did you know he had relationships with all the pay per view companies. He's and he was also our pay per view guy so Jimmy was able to take that expertise and take those connections to the boxing. World was also very well connected. Jim and Basil the veto were instrumental and Trump Plaza Atlantic city. And so so. Jim started work with a lot of those guys and just working as a consultant with boxing world. But he did not whenever he said in there about Jim continued the office in the same building He did not he and his own office. You and offices House and then had an office in New York. Well he tells us about the Beware Return Obviously Cocos in a fi here and you know i. According to the legend there's a lot of alcohol involved and you know Gosh sometimes do or say stupid things. Obviously that happened here. There was some hurt feelings things. It was a brutal fight. And you know who's going to have to pay the price for some of that because you're not supposed to behave like this. It's no matter. What even though a lot of people would sort of side with him on this? It's not a good spot to be in. He's going to go home. And then you guys decide okay. Ah He he's been in Tom out enough and we'll bring him back now essentially yeah. I don't think that you know I I don't care for alcohols the culprit or not it was allegedly and really horrible sane and I hid what go ahead. That's everybody up. I mean some some of our listeners. have no we're talking about because we're talking about encode somewhat well. No several. The boys had been out. I think that they were in in Paris or something like that. I don't even remember what city or France somewhere I don't don't really know but Everybody had been out and drinking heavily and Jim was talking about. What a tough guy? He was in the hockey world. And the you know his fights were real real not like you know you you fake wrestler guys and and made some disparaging comments Koko B whereabout his size and just kinda on a laughing cocoa off. Because y'all you little guy you know the fake wrestlers what I did was real and cocoa had just about enough of it so coco's like hey man you find out how Reali- I'll be happy to show you how real I am and nothing happened at the restaurant Straw. But when they got back to the hotel it it exploded and they went all through the lobby of this really Nice Hotel Hotel fighting in cocoa. Finally they've got him separated but Jim Troy was about six six two six three three big guy In Cocoa's five nine. Maybe in Cocoa Coco for everything. I heard I was not there so this is all hearsay and rumor and Innuendo But I'd always heard of Makoko man more than hell zone and probably got the better of Jimmy and and they were both both had had a lot to drink. Jam Definitely more than anybody else there in when I saw Jimmy when he came into the office after that flight is face was pretty messed up. COCO's wasn't but Cocoa called Vince right away and apologize in just said. Hey I had to. I had to defend myself. I had to do it. He's like he can't he can't be getting in fights. It's like that on the road and it's just unprofessional. So did you hear the rumor that Maybe troy is the racial slur and that took it to another level for cooker. I'd heard the rumor but again I don't know what their I do know you know from from the consistent was the story of just emmy bragging about how tough he was and constantly putting the business down but I could see where that would definitely f league the last Straw push somebody over. The edge allegedly The room they're in. I mean it's got blood sprayed up the walls and I mean there was beer bottles and it was a it was a bad thing. Yeah ours pretty bad saying it went. went throughout the lobby and not a good scene in any way shape or form. What's Vince do spot like that? Does he hope it. It just works itself out or does he feel like he's got no no. He sent a both home on the spot. says he found out about it and got autumn on separate flights Both out out now said both home. I'll talk to them when they get here. And he told cocoa I was was actually in the room when he told cocoa they had cocoa at the building instead. Get Him on the phone so We'll get young. Get Ahold of choice and Joan get shit and go home come home come. See me when it gets here. That was it he dealt with told me goes a can't can't tolerate that so that was weird. That was weird trip. I had left We had done TV over there and bolted right after he came back head. Go into Vance's kind of debrief him on on TV and everything and right. He's like what the hell happened here. I hadn't heard about I heard about it. Kinda right is all. The news was coming into the office so not a good look very unfortunate situation very unfortunate indeed recession not a good look is Mr Fujii's Painting around is is like that now. He didn't either. He his face with breakout. And that's why he he wanted to get away from the powers of pain because his face would break out from the paint he looks like a Trash panda a what a trash panda. What's the trash band of working in? God awed what does the name of our new Minor League Baseball Mascot here in Huntsville Trash. Panda you have a trespass. I'm not I'm not lying. Go look up Rocket City trash pandas. To real thing. You'll love the logo. I mean I think you'll want this logo tattooed on on your back or SOM- I have no tattoos. Conrad I know but you might make an exception for this. One is pretty far. Would they make the they make the drive up the mountain and go into the my wing of the house the mansion and do it there. Oh Yeah I could do that. I don't know this but I mean you've got the Tattoo Room in the house now. Yeah Clever mercy is a Amazon tattooists secretive for actually a professional I get tipped was Conrad. Say Buddy by not sterilize by Beatles so Hulk Hogan I'll do Purple Lake in house else here barbarians about to get at Tommy. Young now house does help me understand in this era survivor series. Match your tag team partners big covered for the PM normally in any regular tag mass. You're going to jump in and break it up but our series match he stand there like a fucking goof. No because if you did that every single every single false finish would-be a cluster. I'm aware but I'm saying why do the masses. But not these. I don't like doing it in the other matches either but it is but the wrong wanting to go. Tell them how to do it. We did other than lesson. No and I want it changed right now. I'm pretty sure you can say hey. We're not doing this on smile around just freestyle. Well you know what all. Nah Come on guys. That's not fair stuff piledriver on the hall. stor want. They'd be huge them both because yeah get him out. Good Call Center. I can't believe they're doing this. This is you're on your own. See how much money is this gonNa Cost Ya man. We're down to. What's what's certainly a main event anywhere in the world all KOGEN and the Million Dollar Man Ted? ABC and Jack Jack. He's there to you. Maybe made a bit anywhere in the world. I'm just saying about the mid South influence here with the Aussie and ear. Boy Jaiqi well you know they worked other place. Sorry just trying to make conversation with you. That's what I do here on the show when one of the things I've one ask you about was why you moved away from the survivor series. Being on fucking Thanksgiving because it was on Thanksgiving and like like why eighty seven eighty eight eighty nine ninety ninety one. It goes down on Thanksgiving Eve instead. Of course that's when the undertaker would would beat Hulk Hogan for the World Championship but chat me up Wa the decision to move away from Thanksgiving and instead do at Thanksgiving Eve. It's all of our other pay per views. Were on Sunday and the feeling was the Thanksgiving was one way to start the deal. It was a big day in the wrestling business for many years. We thought we'd capitalize on that. But then is it wasn't necessarily a big day EH. For pay per view and traditionally all of our other pay per views were on Sunday thought. Why in the fuck is survivor? Survivor series on Sunday. Because Thanksgiving Day tradition than became the Thanksgiving Eve tradition and that was just like just make it survivor series and make it uniform like every other pay per view every ever the. WWe Pay per view was on Sunday when survivors. Well this one's going to be on Thanksgiving eve and it just didn't make a whole sense in the big picture so the decision was made the change up. Fine I said fine. Don't get hot. Not Hot ex kind of HAM. I want to turn the air conditioning on. I'll fuck you. What thirty two degrees here? It's warm here just in your how. How home or your Mansion Silva was driving with the top down? Yeah but still always drives top down. I mean that's just him. That's Kinda rude route. Say so drive with stop now us. Well he can't it can't fit in with the top of your. Oh come on Bruce. What that's main but it's true was dog shits in the mansion? His dog has not been back to the Conrad. I was lucky ribbon on the square here on the show about how his dog manage to find a way to shit on top of his own ass and dog has not been Mac. He is here for Thanksgiving. Though by the way the the wholesale clan is are you what are you have. What are you GONNA do? The Tamale. Thanks is tamales for Thanksgiving or Christmas. I don't know how Donald actually no I think they're for Thanksgiving man. Because I'm from the South Man and you always get your tamales. I think they're for Christmas. But this is this is crazy. I had a friend of mine Vietnamese and literally came over as refugee On Bo in the seventies Built a built a business and had a little restaurant redtop friends. Would he used to make so by Vietnamese friend. Who owns owns a hamburger? Place made Turkey tamales which were some of the most insane. Great things I've ever had in my life so I hope hope civil brings over and will enlighten the Thompson clan to homemade tamales. You'll you'll change ager life. Let me assure you paint doing that. Why that's just not what he does? She not having Tamales for Thanksgiving No. That's really strange. I think his wife is bringing the ham boring or eaten Of You you for that or eating in like an hour boring no tamales dude or have you been listening to twenty one savage who debbie come on now. While ago you said boring. I was like wait a minute of kind of proud of you. There's a great lot in here. I'm going to let you hear on the show. I think we'll show you know this. This is the shower dinner now. Wrestling order survive in series from nineteen eighty nine and that was the three. That was a three Huh. Earle header is slow down. You know for the whole for the whole damn match we He go here all Virgil. Here's the reason you're boring. It you said boring the same way and I was like wait a Minna finish. See you're a little behind on your hip hop culture since you've moved moved away and not come back to visit a way behind on my hip hop culture. You're still saying I saw for like three years ago from low Yati and nobody's saying Louis audience for for it to me. Yeah we can do better anyway. I thought you'd like that. Yes folks so how about the double Klaus von spy. That's all school. You know what it is. You see the young referee on the outside of the ring opposite the entrance a that. I gotTa Shane McMahon. There you go. How about that law and order on the outside of the Ring Right Bay get got how this year maybe eighteen nineteen? I just saw the dark hair here and I just assumed it was genus kin. No SHANECO MATT GARBS HOGAN I put up enough shit. Why Act Turnaround Ted Wa? Ah Yeah there's one for you there's three yeah. Hit the ropes and eat this boot. Tally big lag. This is all she wrote. Come on Virgil where are you. Now Burgess shitty bodyguard. I love of the The routine of the Hawk up he skipped the blocker punts Ted throwing but it's usually Holcombe Block A- PYATT's three punches in the ropes big boot leg drop one two. Three people have been critical of routines. But I like that routine. Yeah because it worked. You knew what was coming. Why got is that your favorite championship? Her you're If that's I think that's played. Yeah that's the best one ever made that very one. Yeah I would love to have that particular bill well by God. We'll go get it from him. He doesn't have. Hey you WanNa know what. What just happened Here in my the home now but I I hear so many hollering in the background. How about a yellow chair in my home now on the screen? We're watching a show hear about professional preston wrestling or whatever from the rosemont horizon. I'm just saying that the need to read one to coordinate for hoaxer. Oh okay what what happened. Shane McMahon get in there Shown lead arrived our Goddamn we. We may have an appearance today on this this show by John Paul. Shell nut by the way for a long time listener. Show John Paul Shell. Nut is one of the most interesting characters in the history of characters he Is he real life. Great friend of many many celebrities and nobody knows why and he finds himself at all these weird circumstances including being Bruce Pritchard's friend but he talks like a character actor from King of the hill are our boomer my and Russain Dr Boom Hard Gang. Bang Dole Boom. How're man dying? Nobu and for whatever reason burst believes that John Paul show not is in fact the inspiration behind Muhammad sling blade character. I don't believe it. I know it. Really Bob's what. What's the what's the title of believes Book Bill? Bob's book book by Billy. Bob What what do you think the talk about in there. Billy Bob stuff yeah. Yeah Bob's life. Bill Bob's vote. Now's on this. We're talking about billion Bob. He recently saw the rocks gemstones. Which I urged you on this show got y'all my God? So do you like it. I haven't we have talked so us. A bakes your response there on the fact that you've seen it now my guessing right. I loved opt the righteous but first let's see what Macho man has to say natch you'll need hulk and British. The Barber beefcake steelcase team with the Human Zeus. Aman you've had control trou- probably true problems would about control problems. What they did assume that squirts circle a little while ago? Men Out of it yet because in their big steel cage. The team foot high around the ring. There are parts of the fact that I can control the human wrecking woven. Zeus has been chosen awesome by the sceptre. Yeah I'll Kurgan and okay mania. The end of the fifteen foot high steel cage. no-holds-barred is barred and Brutus. The Barber. beefcake you're guilty by association so you must ball also talking. This is it. This is the end of the road. The whole Cogan. This is the time that you don't escape. We got your meters and we'll take you to the bank we're not gonNA acquit rid of all. Can you hear you understand that whole coogan figured by all the OHKA maniacs chosen by the sector. Let's go to mean Gino Kalin. y'All all right fuck the barber dude. Why he has said fuck the Barbara? Okay okay. We'll go to this audio to not is going to be a no holds barred Christmas Wednesday December the twenty seven in a fifty eight foot high steel cage. You two are going to be facing the human wrecking machine. Zeus and of course the Macho King Randy savage in a steel cage brutus in well cut my legs off. Call US both shorty brother. Barber beefcake Paul his team through their survivors. The hoaxers brother the maniacs. Yes we prove that we're survivors on this no-holds-barred Christmas brother. I just want all the maniacs to note that it's different than any other cage match. It's an WWF. We're going out to win this match in this fifteen foot high fifteen foot wide steel cage but also going out there barber to put those to the Macho King and the seuss all the WWF. But after what went down out there tonight brutus. It doesn't seem like this might be our kind of match brother the way the human wrecking machine was choking me down the way. He went crazy the way he was pushing his old team around. It looks like he could manhandle anybody in the RENA. That's why you're going to have to keep the steel temperate clippers close by the cage brother taking the armor tonight. Well you know something that Zeus was out out of control. I saw trying to virtually all no soldiers. They wait a minute. It's fucking Jerry. You name what are you. Good does mind as the art van it. So we see Sherry come in and literally throw baby powder and hoax in British beefcakes face ace and they fall over. Nobody's getting PK. I mean nobody's kids have Java beefcake no fuck there let's say let's play audio here giant. Join Jim the Anvil night. Heart and Hukou along with fellow teammates rockers and the busters good warrior against I need and family team got this rowdy. Roddy Piper pen ravishing rick. Rude join football team makes superfly. JIMMY STUCK UP MR perfect. Although the bushwacker Fabulous Rouge does rotties rowdies purchase. Rude through -vivor adversaries. John Dude. How Fun is the old look? Feel these shows hits me all the ripe it feels there Ya and does and I'll give you a little bit of the history on this. It was this show this night. This building that Raymond Rougeau retired and he reminded me of that the other day when he came up to me and said Bruce I. Do you know what happened right here. Thirty years ago thanking now look at amicable. This was this was where we did say he says my my last match. I retired and Raymond Rubio's is is one of the good guys in the business just just one of the all-time classy wonderful good guys. What I'll say here jess? How about Jesse's pilgrim hat? What do you think got pilgrim hat? I think Jesse brought with him now. Now you had the source of locally yet it went to a store. What was the name of the store any dancers? No Jesse Jesse went to a store. Hats pilgrim hats are us and shit we got there eventually. She'll different way man. Look at all the fucking mustaches. In this shot I wish we had Mangino gene so we can have four of the exact same points ashes which only too well lanny's guy one rudes got one Both have won. Johnston Avenue does He. I don't know fuck off. I was just making shit up now. Conrad what what does it. My husband doesn't have one of the I'd call the bullshit on this Sean Mooney doesn't have one. I didn't say everybody had one. Well fuck walk. If we argued about. Then you just wanted to get loud. I do that sometimes about a week before the show. Roddy Piper makes an appearance on the Arsenio Hall. All Show Arsenio Hall you know far younger listeners. Fans may not even know the name but he had a pretty quote unquote hip late night. Show back in the air where there was just the tonight. Show was the I'm out of the relationship ship with with Arsenio Hall in the WBF go where you guys got so many appearances. They're all COGAN. The Ultimate Warrior Macho Man. Roddy Piper. Lots of folks might have stop off on our show will are sending them was fan so that helped a lot in our Senio in his his folks at Book Hallo Their Gee Haw Yeah I'm GonNa play stairs are Steph by God here we go. I'm GONNA play this. How how many times have I told you can't have lunch after action action have after this job? We've got a big smile laughing and having a great perfect easy easy bony bones them bones. I don't know Patterns here the rotties rowdies. Let's go back to the arena. Holy those that you see them. Yeah we did that. That Bruce Prichard pre type right there. I was from Raleigh Gorilla that point that was probably ably just a Okay guys We're GONNA do go get it done and it happened. Not a whole lot of production per se them bones them bones them big bones. You know Fucker we talked about before that Conrad you totally forgot. I forget shit us talking to our City Hall and how he was Arsenio Hall. Okay thank you. So City Hall was a huge fan of wwe and his booking people also realize that we had strong syndication and we were just you know we had a great following following in. They reached out to us and there was Jay Leno. I guess at the time on the tonight show that was on. The competition was Arsenio Hall and Arsenio would after completely different audience than what the traditional tonight show audience was kind of a cooler younger hip her audience audience which then brought in the wwe stars in an Arsenio loved it. Arsenio liked to have those guys on because he he. He knew the audience that they brought to the table. It was just one of those really good relationships was beneficial for both parties man. How about record here like a million bucks? Yeah Man This says right before you know road was getting ready to go away. I'll finish up this program then. Rick was going to go away for a while. And just Kinda he'll up and in Rick's mind changes body up a little bit -an in come back and be a different guy. And he he he did when he came back with the short hair. It was a different deal. It was it was Jesus Christ he was in ungodly shape when he came back. Man superfly. This was a here is off the charts. Yeah Jimmy will. Jimmy was very very unique just physical specimen than when he used to is a kid. Clyde climb coconut trees all day long. People think that's that's all yeah rozier just because he's from the islands known Jimmy declined. Coconut trees is a kid. You know forever and just all always was running. He dove did cliff lift diving. Just did everything under the sun and was a natural athlete in somebody Salman the Hawaiian islands and said Jesus he'd make The rest is I say history. Can you compare Bushwacker into any other tag team in history. There is no comparison. No enforce hot Rod. Oh coming out man and you know again. One of the most unique characters ever in our business rowdy Roddy Piper over not the biggest guy in the world but the biggest personality but bushwacker. Here's here's the crazy thing you look how popular they were on the wwe. They had worked their entire career. Before coming to the WWe it's nasty bloodthirsty heels Everything about them was blood and guts. You know it was the gory or the better. The more violent the better and Vince takes one. Look Ams is a gun talk soon for mangoes goes. How can anybody boo? The most to lovable is of it. You know it's I I don't get it. I see baby baby faces and they went on to be to the biggest character. Baby faces that the businesses ever known in just one fell sweep that they went from bloodthirsty barbed-wire matches to watch in doing this shit man now the Nala fame for this and it linked in their career. Mr Perfect at this point still undefeated in the company that does that present a particular set of challenges. No not at all. He's still perfect just as he. He's not GONNA lose here. He's going to be the sole survivor. Saying just a no brainer at this point Probably so in this match but believe it or not the the win winning and losing that. That wasn't what perfect was all about. It was everything else that he could do. It was absolutely perfect perfect. I loved the Mr Perfect character by the way we're home. Stretch in the boys and girls after this. We've only got one more match remaining if the ultimate warrior's taken on the Heenan family. I'm sure we're going to talk about it a little later but I want to go ahead and jump the gun a little bit we had A USA special on the network November Twelfth the survivor series showdown and then. It's actually taped on November first in Wichita Kansas Kansas Kansas Coliseum. Vincent Jesse. You're doing commentary for the show you'd see Tito Santana. And he seconded by Dusty Rhodes pinned the big boss man. He's got slick and a keen with him. That's eleven minutes thirty. Five seconds roads would hit the boss man with nightsticks behind the referee's back then play Santana China on top of boss man and There's refinish next up. We got Mr perfect with the genius painting. bushwacker butch with Bushwacker Luke on the outside just under seven minutes. Perfect plex gets her dawn. Macho King have sensational Sherri with him when he beat Hercules after just about at eleven minutes he would. You share his loaded purse and when shared distract the referee boom. We're doing and then the intercontinental champion the ultimate warrior would defeat Tully Blanchard. who had bobby Heenan in his corner by the Hugh after about six minutes? When aren't Anderson? What interfere after the bow? Jim Nine Hart Shawn Michaels and marginality all make the save and I believe this is actually totally blanchard last match in the WWF. We'll circle back to that in a minute The last match on the show. Here's Ted BBC Painting Demolition Smash after ten minutes and eleven seconds of course. Zeus is going to interfere on the floor. And you know what happens from here. We get the million dollar dream acts eventually makes us save but the survivor series. Showdown honey you guys negotiate extra time to essentially be an infomercial for your pay per view well 'cause USA network. They look at it as you know look at it as an infomercial. They look at it as another opportunity for ratings more eyeballs on their network. And we're looking at it as another another opportunity to sell this paper units cable cable. If you have cable in concede this then the majority are then going to have access to pay per view and US agents wanted the content USA was always looking for unique different content. This was a special that they could promote and sell as a special so it was a win win for everybody involved. We obviously didn't present Senate as here's an infomercial was presented as hey. Here's a preview. A one of our bigger events and we're going to give you that preview here you're on USA so it's a little different than we wanted to. Infomercial let's talk about totally. What are you remember about tally? Time coming to an end here. Well I remember you know just getting the news that Tony was gone and then the rumor and the Scuttlebutt was that after after totally had given his notice totally an honor given their notice and they were GonNa go back to WCW NWEA whatever it was at at the time that totally didn't care until he had gone out partying and whatever. The next day was a drug test Antonelli until he flunked the drug test. So he was. You know kind of left with no choice. Well now you're suspended you're not even GonNa get finish out your notice 'cause you fucked up and just couldn't wait another couple of weeks or whatever however long it was to go out and party Bharti. So last SCUTTLEBUTT. The rumor is fails for cocaine. It's Kinda hard to fail. A drug test for cocaine is not. I don't know what I mean. You told me that cocaine's out of your system in twenty four four hours. And that's why I was your go-to in the eighties is not what you told me personally. Never Take No. I'm just making cocaine. Reference helped me understand. Do the same thing you heard that he failed for cocaine. I believe so yeah I did but the privy to that she had other than guys gone but that is what I heard yes so when he's advertised for the show but now he's failed the drug test and even when you open the show you know he's not there but he's on the video package tar you think thank one person bought the pay per view or ticket see tully blanchard new. Do you eat sure. I mean friends and family. I doubt it I friends and family especially anybody new one by war. You're him he's got some low key heat on with With with Kelly. y'All along toilet. I get along fine now. Oh actually totally an I got along. Fine then it's it's Kinda like At look I'm not totally since I was seventeen years old totally taught me how to tie a double windsor. Not a Matai and We laws ause kind of had a love hate relationship. I was totally wasn't incredible. Talent in the ring great worker but it just taller could be an asshole. That's all I mean. Last time I saw him Somewhat his daughter you're in a convention and we had a very pleasant conversation looked great saw so forth. We all grow up in change but at the time he was an asshole. You an example of Asshole Ish as holy in behavioral for Mr Blanchard. Just being a smart ass about you know. Oh everything. In kind of a holier than thou attitude there were times back in the day the Texas territory. I remember where her we'd have matches Gino and totally as a tag team against Chabot Guerrero and Manny Fernandez. They would completely leave till the end of the match because he was just such a Dick Dollywood comeback the to address from. Hey guys thanks for allowing me to be in your match and It just it just was difficult to deal with condescending arrogant very cocky and in San Antonio he had the book for a long time because because there was no one else would do it because Tali was there until he came with the territory because his dad owned the territory. I think the best thing that happened to tell was leaving Texas and going to Charlotte because he was he was in a place place where he wasn't in charge. All he had to do was go out and work and perform and some bitch was l. over performer. Just not the greatest nicest guy in the world. Talk me through Ah bushwacker match in this era. Will they've already done about ten minutes more than they normally do. A normal bushwacker match. Free Buds consist of a wo- and follow follow by a bite on the ASS couple of flailing forearms into a one two three and that was the extent of it. They were blown up by the time they march to the ring. Did you were you for or against some some of Mr Perfects over the top sailing. He saw him just take a big funds from Roddy Piper and turn it flip it depended on the situation situation i. I thought that yogurt usually there's your bite on the ASS Current usually saved it for the right moment. Sometimes you get out there and play Hongo over the top. But I always likened it to Pat Patterson and Ray Stevens in the way that they sold and even even ric flair Who would do these these silly ass bumptious out of nowhere so they were entertaining in the right place the right time? It's it's entertaining. Chaining is okay. It's it's weird. Watch this with you know that will always piper with loss perfect with all snuck. It's just Sta yes a little surreal. Rude gone she don't. We got a lot can happen at thirty years years. We've got to keep the genius. You know. We got to keep the bush-whackers that's something. I guess referee referee. Freddie Sparta's still alive. Shane McMahon outside referees. So still it's not only alive. He's jumping off shit somewhere somewhere. This is true. I heard style plan for Thanksgiving where he planned to jump off the roof of his mansion as a state into a VAT of mashed potatoes. And you confirm or deny see. That's rumor innuendo okay. He doesn't live in a mansion. He lives in a high rise. I'm aware but he's GonNa jump off us. Some of them are bitch into avow mashed potatoes. Can't I say in it's it's fucking dressing. This is where the shit just gets all. I didn't know the Yankees did dressing. I thought y'all stuffing their. What's the difference? Are you serious right now. Yeah huge difference. Please explain the difference all right. I'm glad you asked stuffing is different. Please please tell me how Please tell me the different streets. Stuffing dressing dressing is made from corn. Bread stuffing thing is made from breadcrumbs. That'd be untrue. Or what is it then. Stuffing is stuffed into the cavity Turkey and cooked in the Turkey. Not always sometimes it can be stove top than stressing notes not dressing Goddamn oven in a fucking casserole dish like a sheet pan. No no that's dressing. Yeah so I said stuffing in the bird or on a stove top up no dude look up stove top stuffing you some of which that's not real stuffing boy. That's fuck in marketing. Reckoning ploy you gotta eat with the recipe you take you so top stuffing this is ferrall. You Bachelors out there if you listen to this On thanksgiving you probably are. Ah so you take your stove. Top stuffing and cook up all your Shit and then when you attic you start all up when you go let it set you take a cam of chicken. You don't like instead of a tunafish. Can you know. They got the cans with Chunk Chicken in you dump that in the stove top stuffing he started all out. And then you let set will the heat from the stove. Top stuffing their time. It will like warm up up your chicken and then when you get it out you got like a dish she got like chicken in your stuffing in all that shit all in one thing. Yep You're welcome. Do want to challenge you to do something in today on Thanksgiving. You gather the family around John Paul. Shell not in there and I want you and Mr Shell not. They'll do arts and crafts force. This this Thanksgiving and posted social media. I'm I'm thinking we could do the the age old tradition of hand Turkey but we'll do like a wrestling version hand Turkey addicts. What draw hand Turkey with your pain assessment? You know you got the neck. Feathers body will be. You know you're Sammy you go ahead and do that on your your your your twitter account. They know Tony's already done. We've I believe Tony's done. I believe there's a lot of things he's done that you're never going to get me to do a lot of things a and I do mean a lot of things. What would you won't even entertain the idea of hand Turkey? I I have no desire to hint. Turkey do do you know how much your daughter would love hand Turkey. She probably made them for you. And your son. Your kids might hand Turkeys in school. I know they did Mike. Let Dad make them one guy. Carleton what I'm coming to share another bone of my childhood with you okay. We had to write a poem and I had to be about eight years old. Maybe seven eight years old second third grade something like that and we had to write a poem with our hands dirty by the way everybody now is dead and their faces are on the back of records trunks in front of tombstones continue. No they're not yeah piper SNUKA faces are all out there. Oh Yeah Optima in the match. Let me on in the match. I continue so underneath that you had to write a poem about Thanksgiving and I never get. My Dad helped me write this poem and I remember it to this day deterrent The Turkey gobbles in the yard to stop. It will be very hard thanks. thanksgiving comes but once a year Thanksgiving Day will soon be here a Haiku. So it's really not your best work. It was for fucking eight years old. Well that's that's what you did back then but how do you get a look and try and find that I have that somewhere. How do you spend your days now? Well then take on read read. These days I've been And mandate he's working hour on the go but the hands on the cloth Bannon tunes slow exactly being along with my baby. Had No babies get me rector Iran or little finger to live. I will walk to back to be with her. 'cause I can't wait to be alone with baby tonight. Well who needs the macy's Day parade with entertainment like that. And then got Rene Goulet in. They're trying to break up the fight but he's he's like a pantomime in a box. When did you realize the survivor? Series concept really sucked the Dick. Why it's great it's different it's taking forever? Yeah it's Kinda long along. I shall we back Halloween habit. That's what I was about to say the something about Halloween as long as Halloween. have it. No it's still going somewhere. Yeah thank God. We cut off Halloween havoc the nineteenth match. This bullish eaten. I'm gonNA tell. Jj Jay Thomas Taylor. Jj You I don't know why you doing. Net Voice makes me think of one of your other awful voices that you do the iron sheik reference shaky baby early it. We're actually covering she here coming up next month here on the show. The I run chic. I know I do not comprehend for to be in USA. I I on nick off. Maybe I helped boogie bitch. Maybe a homeboy bench. Downright there have been humbled Yeah really by shaky know who humbled you. Why F- well I mean nobody? Nobody wants him in Tulsa that he'd try to break your back in fucking us now well. Did you ever see him. Try to recognize back and fuck them in there as he's had have I've seen try break some back was was on she We know he's a party guy from a drug standpoint there such a thing as Chic Rats I can't say era witnessed a sheet. She keep who that way. I don't know why but that just tickles me. There is a perfect perfect plex now. It really was guide. Curt Hennig was so good. One of the absolute best. And that's the finish your soul survivor. Mr Perfect coming up next. It's the last match on the show ultimate warriors here by the way we should mention. We've got something coming up really fun next week. One of our most requested shows was ever Tuesday in Texas. Saw show that Bruce was not technically under the employ for the company but he was in attendance San San Antonio Texas December Third Nineteen ninety-one. We'll have Bret Hart working with Skinner Randy savage working with Jake Roberts verts the British bulldog at the warlord Repo Man's going to team up with Teddy Bic matador Virgil and then in our main event Hogan going to challenge the undertaker for the world title. It's an interesting concept and a fun show that was really Paying off a lot of stories stories I mean the savage Jake stuff and I was a big fan of what they were doing with Hogan undertaker. This should be a fun episode. Oh you agree. Ally is this. It's GonNa be watch along. Yeah I think so. I mean you weren't there so we will have a lot of news and notes but we'll definitely do watch law because you haven't seen that since you saw it live there right. This is true. I have not Tuesday Tuesday Tuesday in Texas was in Austin Right Austin or San Antonio San Antonio yeah the next day was TV in Austin and this is upstairs in the Rosemont horizon now. This is downstairs in the rosemont horizon guerrilla. Here's the idea. There has been some speculation there has been some dissension in the Heenan family. I think you just confirmed it but you must quit. Rodney's rowdy certainly gave you a lot more trouble tonight. The expect them. We expect it. A lot of trouble from rotties rowdies but we expected a win. We had what you might call the perfect combination nation and now it's time to celebrate Turkey Day ravishing stat. Perfect are what let's go to you spent he truly awesome foursome foursome the ultimate warrior. Gentlemen we are just moments away from the members of the Bobby Heenan family facing these four men the ultimate warriors including powerhouse gym the ice. He Family Hukou brief us. Aw I hope we don't ruin your Thanksgiving dinner don't eat to in the rockers body. Be a whole lot of rock and roller is taking care of business. Because we have third rock this town he'd have family get ready. Because we're GonNa take you downtown survivor series style because the words are coming with both guns loaded. He's taken steps has an organ donor card and he. He's that he has gone to burned. And Talk US taping us with the brain you off. Aw Dude let's talk about that. I mean shot is talking to Mardi then Marty is talking to me gene. All behind warriors back is worth trying to a promo. I don't remember the last time I saw that. That's that whole scene was fucking weird. Naturally Warrior was weird. That was that was Sammy. EMME was weird. Thanks we'll know that might take away on that whole thing was how fucking young Shawn Michaels. Our yeah baby faced assassin and but yeah again. They're they're doing their shit in warriors just oblivious walking in front of the camera and just taking everything over and back and forth and back and forth and Done done give a shit and it just was mind boggling but most of this stuff was pulling on night and hearts Goatee they're very strange. Strange way but yeah that was. That was the appeal of Voyeur. It was it was odd. It was different. It was not the norm. Would anybody else did what you would normally do. God Damn look at them rockers. Yeah I'm GonNa play the audio here. The quarter on this match is turning into Donnybrook here. Get they're not like Mardian Sean. Carulli limit at the end. Bill barely then he liked Jim not killing Jim. Warriors waits forever. Jill team gets decimated or you can come out. No no no theme music for his run out but here he cops a clear house. You hear the crowd going wild man. They're all about ultimate warrior giants out the giants out. Yeah we should mention. This is really the first high profile match that that Hukou and Andre Are GonNa have those star pairing up after this as the colossal connection and even win the tag titles right here in Huntsville Alabama before we know a large probably three weeks after this might be two weeks after something like that wells next TV taping. So that's that's roughly right and that you know Andre got himself some new trunks some new An over the shoulder garment here navy. navy-blue thought looked better than the black man. I Love Arn Anderson. He's doing his best here with the ultimate warrior. He's trying and he's like please God someone else hit me boy. Do I leave money Jim. Nine heart is in the last match on the show. You know in a traditional sense you would. I think that this would have probably been reserved for Brad. Hart and how weird would that have been onsite breath and Shawn Michaels in the the same match on the same team with the ultimate warrior. Sort of the next big thing in this generation the ultimate warrior and the two next big torchbearers for the company in the following generation. Little foreshadowing if you will about that fan second under hey buddy. UK Okay. ooh Are Andrei leaving the bar for a Bod- calm about reneging get more vodka. Man I love the way. Hakuba's fell on his back and let jim run over him. Instead of doing the the whole dropdown gimmickry fallen her stomach and they skip over. He dropped his back and he. I don't know how else cool ask called innovation. They're counting. He's not the norm of what what what everybody else is doing. It be unique me. How did Haku like tagging with Andrei a lot of respect for each other man? They they got along long and have been friends for years. Hukou came up in the DOJ owes in Japan and worked with Andrei Gray over there. Just a lot of mutual respect. Bobby Heenan you know when you look at you. Look at the the teams here. Hukou Greg worker Neidhart Okay Arn Anderson. Great Worker Sean. Mardi great worker's probably the best worker the whole bunch Bobby Heenan. Oh Yeah in Bobby. It hit it trained. You know to wrestle. But Bobby Bobby never really formally trained per se. I mean he did train he did learn what to do. But Bobby was just a natural just got in and did shit learned on the go but was an unbelievable unbelievable talent in the ring as well love to take that Ray Stevens bump in the corner man. It's so fun to watch an early Shawn Michaels. Yeah no shit I mean he was you look back and everybody of course always compared him to the rock and Roll Express and Sean just because the color of their hair I think was Ricky Morton and Marty was the Robert Robert Gibson. It is fascinating. That comparison has my advice on hair-color. Yeah made sense Benso a May one one made on their eyes or anything like that. Hey so That's where it survivor series mode. I guess we don't talk about new stuff a lot but INEX- tea which was on last live or they really kick your ass survivor series. Didn't you get your shit together diversity. Well you know. I guess they're just kicking everybody's ass. How come aw what? I didn't say anything he did. He's digging everybody's ass agreed with you. Well it's talking about your s or Coloma personal asked my purse. Last is five th has not been kicked in a while. I don't know I feel like reas. Beat everybody in the company opening last week or so. You Better Watch out if you see. You're walking down the hall on turn around because you know just in case. Yes she special dude. I could watch Arn Anderson and Shawn Michaels. My says all day a lot of Nice saying I love that spot at school well. I don't remember the last time I saw that. In warriors in the ring looking for something to do nothing. Well I'll just step back out here. I'll get out right now. He's he's probably like Sean. I love one of those cool things. I WanNa do something cool keg out. Oh Oh that heard. Oh and that her own that her well fuck you paid in real life to say how can we have a real fight. Wouldn't last long feel like that would have been like a like a bear destroying like a house kitten Alwa- here about Hakuou APU is just next level bad. assery I mean aren't Anderson said the other day on the orange show he can be world champion any day he decides to be. Yeah he was some bitch man. I definitely wouldn't want to find out at this point. You know Hulk Hogan the top draw and We're already teasing. You know that we're going to carry the movie over for a a cage mass. We've talked about it a lie here on the program. The holes barred the match. The movie and that'll be the blow off for Zeus here but this is really early like a test case for the ultimate warrior because even the Hulk Hogan was presented on TV. Is that match being the main event or letting warrior go on last who want a warrior ending feeling here the next pay per view rumble. Ninety we're going to see that standoff for that look with Hogan and warrior and the crowd it goes nuts and they realized so we realized. Hey we've got our wrestlemainia main event if this had gone poorly. was there a backup plan. Or I wasn't gonNA be Hogan wear no matter what it was going to be Hogan Warrior matter what let God Warrior had momentum here and there there was just such a groundswell and in the charisma of warrior wasn't going to be denied and I think that You know there were going to go one way or another God pop fucking great bobby. Heenan jus- underrated For his in ring work it could go in and have a match with anybody. I mean he had matches with warrior actually had matches that we're diesel. That looks like a three count to me. WHO's this referee Earl had Jesus Christ shaming mizzou one? Fine job on the outside is pacing around around the changes really want to be out there front of the crowd be apart of it. Wants to be in the ring right now with Shawn Michaels. That was a main in this during the time that the summer preceding this we'd been on the road and Shane and got his first taste of being the reigning in. You knew he wanted it. The We'd been lectured in threaten knocked to let him get in the ring and do anything. Listen back then too I I feel bad for our in Washington. Russellville don't wear here specify everything we've heard he's GonNa get hit for real well right now. Guarantees getting the shit. Squeeze out of them too. Oh my was that that. That was a that there. What's called shooting bear Here here's difference kid. Working bear hug is work that there was a sheet bear. Hug worry squeezing fuck out of you. How do you remember? We talked earlier about a came. A little bit He doesn't leave here. I mean he's still around After this I think he's sticks around till bill nine hundred ninety sometime right maybe the fall honey. Patch things up where he slides back in. He's okay sometimes. All it takes is for to get away from the business for a little while. Get away go home. He a lot and he put put your life and put everything in perspective. Okay I'M GONNA I'm GonNa work somewhere else. I can find. A job can do something that is going to be more conducive use of the my lifestyle or you know this is how I make a living in. Swallow it head on back to work so I think that's kind of what happened with George in the a realized you'll this is what I do. This is what I WANNA do in got back to work so it just if you have time away it gives you a new perspective. And I think that's all he needed. It's time was get away for a little bit and head home with the family and yet a shit together well of course early in in nineteen ninety The big boss man is going to turn baby face. And as a result he'll turn on slick and game we know they're going to pay that off Wrestlemainia six and and I guess he hangs around another handful of months and sometime in the fall eases out and he'd show up in nineteen ninety-one WCW. Obviously W is one man gang. You know you were very familiar with the one man gang persona prior to the WWF force. That's what he would continue to use after the WWF. But I would argue because of the popularity of the at the time as far as mainstream and licensing as many or more people know him as Akeem. What do you prefer or one gang persona or came? I always like one guy I liked them. Both obviously had a hand in creating a team and doing in all of those vignettes. What have you but I always liked? The one man gang. Thought it was a great. He'll character it was so much so that being in the business I was afraid of gang until you meet him because it's just so nice and so gentle in a really warm warm person so so But the character. And if you didn't you saw coming down the street you'd be scared you'd get fucked out of his way so I I love the character of the one man gang and always thought he was just such a great. He'll he's he. He'll Wendy Wendy you remember since we're talking about replacements here on the show when do you remember Tully blanchard being out and the the rumor and Innuendo was that he was fired the day of the show but I have a feeling. You're going to say that that's not how it happened. Well he already given. His notice wasn't about being fired. Well well I'm already gone but the drugs you know like hey go home I I honestly do not remember okay. I really don't don't don't recall that one I remember. I mean I remember all happening. I so remember timeframe on that just was unfortunate and I know alarmed was pissed off was not only cost on this but also cost him whatever he thought he added added the Nwea a little finger pointing action here with Arn and Baba hand can get a little little foreshadowing for ornament for bobby to be able to fire these guys and get rid of him and if they're not listening to him and taking orders properly. Yeah you know what. Ima Research scenarios is last match on November. I it turns out he had subs for him. On the second the third and the fourth but he was back wrestling on the fifth he being tully Blanchard. Dan Powell But he had subs again starting on the tenth and you know those were roll through for quite a while so after missing a couple of shows he does make a few other shots and then he's going for real so I don't buy bother rumor and Innuendo. He was fired the day of the pay per view. Yeah I well I wish I I wish I could recall I. I don't I don't remember that one at all. Obviously it was around this time. But I don't know fascinating to me that you know this is coming to an end and one of the best tag teams ever and we never see them again. Look Air picture-perfect fucking spawned buster sure. And that's going to be for Shawn Michaels that supposedly I think our and has said that Sean was not too happy about getting to the finish here on the show. I couldn't tell you that one either. I think everybody was eliminated. Got Eliminated with finishers. And that's just the law. It is maybe express. Something aren't personally but I've never experienced that. Look at Bobby. Bobby aww top will you come to the floor. He would have done it. Bobby would have done. He scared talk to me about Bobby Heenan when did you guys decide to Pivot to Hamas the replacement as a game day decision or whether other ideas kicked out. Oh God it was. It was just logical. It was the Heenan family family who better than the leader of the Heenan family to do it and also you knew that you were going to you. This is a perfect example of replace of a replacement placeman being better than the original. Because the audience would wanna see Bobby yet his ass kicked and they would know that in this situation. Waesche in Bobby's GonNa get his ass kicked exactly be able to hang in there guys and plus they wont Warrior to get to Heynen so in that regard for a he'll to be replaced. That was the right replacement some somebody that people we were lucky. In that regard art the they had someone that people actually want to see get their ass kicked more. So than than Tully tully was just another name on the card at this point ultimate low blow there. By the way the The wrestling observer reader poll would give this show twenty two point six percent thumbs up sixty one percent thumbs down sixteen point sixteen percent thumbs in the middle. What say you thumbs up thumbs down thumbs in the middle slider series? I'll give it a thumbs up. Why don't you qualify with our series? You sorta like the concept because it's concept show. Yeah and if it was if it was a different show with one on one matches and things of that sort than you'd rated differently from this vantage point of concept show the five on five. I thought it was good. I enjoyed the matchups. God there's a hand in the rain never mind strike. Shane get him in there yet. Him In their scenario payoff here was bigger. You think anybody they'd be blown the roof off the place that was totally at the end. I like the lady sitting ringside just reading your book. flashbulbs people are ready for this. I liked the bobby's wearing like his His best little miniature Andrea Alpha abuser that long before Andrea even. I know I'm just trying to know I was gonna say that was Andres Bobby Heenan outfit the aura. What you wear make me one bobby? Same boots benches daughter still. has those boots really. Yeah that's cool man those Clifford Matthias Gay tell They are because I just know bobby got him from Clifford. All the big stars did by God nor warriors boots or from parts unknown. No that's not true. Conrad oh where the known to be from there from the Austin Hall Boot Company you know Paso. Texas parents are two pairs of this lane in business or more voyeur boots now dusty boots Yup. Yep Yep Eric comes in that fucking thing hurt like l.. By the way this hurt like l.. All he took care bobby there. There's your finish boys and girls the ultimate warrior's soul survivor. And we have made a star. Look at the crowd. I'm GONNA play the audio here in theory. Resume Life for a show like this elevates running down the aisle for a show sherlock this. Are you on headsets. And guerrilla or where you. Yeah our time in the show guerrilla right beyond the curtain right on the other side you know. In hindsight it's kind of a shitty thing of warrior to just run from behind tackle bobby and the alice sort of English. Well sometimes you just gotTa get out the tree personality. That's hurtful well now. It was from a audience standpoint. When you're looking at it and what would you do? It's like stone cold. Save Austin that character was a he'll but people loved it the heal thing to do and but as a baby faces right thing to do. We hope that the right thing to do for us as to watch watched Tuesday in Texas next week over most requested shows looking forward to if you've got a question for us was fond on twitter amp. Richard Show we'll have our mandate Silva go ahead didn't ask questions and we'll be ready for you next week right here on something to wrestle with Moose. Richard Happy Thanksgiving everybody. Enjoy your Turkey on bone show the.

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MASH Sucked?

Some Would Play

09:23 min | Last month

MASH Sucked?

"Play oh okay. I guess it could be theobald. Oh i hope not. I don't think i've seen chasing them could be martell. I bet it's martell. You're like okay. I'm just thinking out loud. Like i bet is a bids martell. Because i remember like martel on joey. Having a moment at one point a moment of boning yeah she went to bed. Oh wow these nights are really highly tonight like when you were sitting on the way back there and i can still hear through the headphones while us because my voice is loud and michael. Pick it up. You have to booming voice spell zero seven key left or did i forget to take one off. You've flurry of blows tim two times. Yeah you were at eleven ten nine and then stunning strikes coming strike eight. I have you at eight okay. Well i'm definitely at least seven so okay. Well you're okay if you if you're at seventy hundred hundred i didn't take off. Maybe that lasts a key. If there was the last count and remember he came through at me and earth earthy beat up that fire flurry of blows him. I think you just attacked extra tacked on arm attack near right. You're right so eight is right. Because i felt like i was done is gonna do me. Yeah i think so. I think it's actually eight okay because you did not flurry of blows in the last strike. You knocked him out of his wheelchair for him. Go at that. We'll see if i can surf four for my final bat. Who knows who's his next. Two opponents are as we talked about why we were upstairs. man. I don't know who i thought i was gonna fight allergist just hoping it was some random and as you know i had. I had some some fun plans. If they were like an archer some shit it was going to be great. But we'll say no not a lot of archers in the tournament blood get fucked clearly fucking neath neath which yeah. yeah but maybe a spear chucker. Ooh that racist no but someone that chuck spear can be anybody barbarians. Chuck spears fighters chuck spears. Was that a rangers truck spears. Was that thing in mash that somebody was called spear checker annoyed and water. Mash mash sucked heartache. I didn't like mash. Thought match sucked. It was. It's certainly a thing. And i feel like i enjoyed some episodes of it. I didn't i didn't know what i liked more than mash murder. She wrote i loved murder. She wrote great show. They were always on around the same time like before dinner like late afternoon. Like us mash murder she wrote. You know all all those old-timey shows. But i loved murder jessica fletcher. Yeah there was like a virtual reality episode or something wake. I don't remember. Remember there being vr headset like from back in the eighties. It's crazy that shows great. Because she's like she's like an independent woman and doing her thing right and books or whatever and just being a bad ass in that town. And yet i wasn't when she always tells him early how they did it now. He's like she was like the female equivalent to sherlock holmes. But would you a sweater or a throw crate dude. I load murder. She wrote on the subject of homes. Though i love every iteration of it fucking ever like just i want. I want everyone to keep doing it. Do it of movies fucking shows. Let's go downey junior. Sherlock holmes movies are fantastic. Great yet edited cumberbatch. Bbc's soga soak the way they the way. They adapted the stories to a modern. The modern era so fucking spectacular and they didn't set it in the pad. They set it today and times like when he meets john watson. And he's talking about the fucking you know something about a drunk or whatever and it's like it's because your cell phone. There's a bunch of fucking marks around. Where the charger and i'm like. Oh shit does fucking brilliant because it was something about like a key or something. I forget in the original story but there were marks around something. Because you couldn't get in there right. Yeah gosh so good the way. They adapted every fucking story. I was just blown away. I was like i have read these stories a bunch. I love this. You're doing a great job and the fucking right now. There's an anime airing moriarty the patriot. And it's basically sherlock holmes from the moriarty perspective but if moriarty was the lord of crime because he's trying to clean up the corruption in england. He's attacking nobles willing not attacking. He's he's scheming. Shit and helping people out when nobles wrong he's like you won't get back on Robinhood reverse crime basically. Yeah and so. He's kind of. He's kind of squaring off against rock a couple times but sherlock is like he's a snack in that animate to by trying to stop moriarty from committing these crimes but moriarty is committing these crimes to get back people who've wronged people already. Yeah and sherlock hasn't had a big role to play which is great because it's moriarty the patriot. We're seeing it for more yards perspective in a in a in a fictional world war moriarty doing this out of some sort of benevolent. So good to hear. Yeah and sherlock shows up but then sherlock goes way and you're really focused on the schemes that moriarty's placed and he's trying not to at this point the enemies trying not to get sherlock's attention too much. He's in. he's not scared of him. He's like i doing these schemes for a reason. I don't need extra nonsense involved here. Like sherlock it's in. It's an x factor. And then i got a fucking work harder. And he's like maybe i could beat them. I don't know but let's try not to fuck and peaked his interest here. There's just bullshit nonsense noble crimes Who cares and like charlotte kinda gets it like. There's one thing where The woman shows up and She she works her way into moriarty circle now and and and sherlock like at some point moriarty helps like faker death and stuff and sherlock notice that that's what happened. He's like all right. It's fine so he's can work from the shadows then yeah. He's kind of got like an antagonistic view. Like i don't like your methods. It's not that's not the best way to do this. I don't think that's what you're doing. But i'm still not not on board you know so it's it's really good. It's so good. It's i love just love any sherlock holmes like ghost in the shell. Give me anything you want to give me an adapter however you want i want it. Although that latest net flicks one was not. It's not good. I liked the live action. One the live action was good. I liked that. One scarlett johansson scar job. Because i didn't like some aspects of it like her name come on. What are you doing. The forcing of her mother into it at the was was kind of a turnoff for me. But that was the only thing. I had overall it was got. Yeah absolutely eight and a half. So that i'm like eight and a half out of ten. The active cammo seen that pulled. They ripped straight from the anime off. God it was so good so good. Yeah yeah and goes to the other so little like actual source material. So the major doesn't have a back story like cannon wise source material. Y you do whatever you want. Which is why you know in the first anime. They did whatever they want in the prequels. They did whatever they want jobs. Different back stories. And it's like let's fine because there's no official backstories. You can do whatever you did. You've got what you've got. Basically from sheera massimo is bad ass characters who've been fleshed out as bad as characters they have these skills and they're the fucking best at what they do basically and then from there. It's like do which want because there. There's i think two volumes of the manga. Maybe three so it's not like there's a whole lot there and so that you know you're just basically saying these characters are awesome. You kind of made a story with these characters. We're gonna take these characters. Get to keep their their skills and shit and they they are those characters but now the doing this thing baby. Great the give me all the ghost in the shell. Gimme all the sherlock holmes. Keep keep fucking doing the downey junior sherlock holmes. Keep doing the fucking benedict cumberbatch. Their favorite get saqib still complex. Complexes is so good and the stanley complex movies. Great e the first ghost show movies awesome in the second one. I didn't watch forever because that cover was weird looking. And i was like. What is this even related. I don't know. But when i finally watch it was like i was a fucking fool not to watch this earlier. Because is so good. Ghost in the shell to is called innocence. I think in the state owned complex movies. Great the fucking live action movie. We did over here. Sure you know big fan of scar. Joe like and people were complaining like oh you didn't cast an age in the room like she's a fucking android. It's a fictional story. There's not like a historical person she's an android and have you seen it. Also if you've watched the original ghost in the shell she didn't look asian now. Android body is a white chick and purple hair and dark blue in the original. You're ready joe. Sira ready are yon- over there. Let's go ahead and get you into your fight and get the brain going. You just got to nut and watch perry fight so now you can see how bad as high level drew it can be. That's going to be use some day.

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How can we adapt to the "working remotely" trend? | Ep. 87

The ROI Podcast

19:38 min | 2 years ago

How can we adapt to the "working remotely" trend? | Ep. 87

"They. Forbes dot com released an article in December of twenty eighteen that states, quote remote work is no longer a privilege, it's becoming the standard operating mode for at least fifty percent of the US population. End quote, a staggering trend that's continuing to grow with organizations adapting to or fighting against this movement. The question is how do we address it on this episode? We're sitting down with the founder of VM s bio marketing, Neil Rothermel, who shares how his company makes working remotely successful. Let's get to the podcast. Welcome to another episode of the ROI podcast presented by the Indian university Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean Phil Powell here on the show. Our mission is to help organizations make better business decisions. If this is your first time joining us, welcome to the Kelly family, if you enjoy the show be sure to hit that subscribe button. So you can receive the latest episode as it's released each week. It would also mean the world to us if you left us a review on itunes or your favorite podcasting app. That simply helps our show grow in for everyone. That shared our show on social media. We want to say a huge thinks it's so hard to believe how far we've come just in the past six months. Well, according to the same article, I reference in the intro of this show by Forbes dot com by twenty twenty gen Z will make up about thirty six percent of the global workforce. And that number comes from the center of generational Connectix. What does this mean? It means as technology continues to shrink the globe. How we communicate with each other also evolves meaning working remotely as far easier today than ever before. And that's becoming a drumbeat inside this generation. Wow. Fifty percent of the US workforce has some option to work remotely that's important to understand that. If you get into the article that fifty percent means some option most workers still have to come into work at sometime if we're only looking at one hundred percent remotely we're only talking about five point two percent of the workforce or eight million Americans. However, the trend even there of one hundred percent remote is growing. It's growing fast and enterprises need to adapt. And that's our topic. We want to explore this week. What do we do with this working remotely Trent our guest, Neil, rather? Mel is the founder of a company called V S bio marketing, which is a healthcare. Education company who had to overcome this very obstacle in order to take his business to the next level. Neal is also the executive in residence for our Tobias leadership center, which means he helps our faculty and students build relationships with executive leaders outside of the school walls. Neil points out that we live in a time where change is now exponential. There's going to be more exponential change in the next five years than there has the last fifty and that's probably modest we're gonna see more things change than has ever happened. So as our company has evolved, and we have, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people all around the country. My biggest concern is how do we share our core values? How are we allowed aligned around our mission? And when you don't see people every day to be able to share with that culture. Looks like how do you do that? So I think it all starts and ends with people one of the things I think we did best right out of the gate was focused on working with the best people. And who shared our passion our mission and our purpose. And I think that core alignment for us. Really was the thing that continues to make it easy to have a unifying rallying cry to go to the next level when you work with people who are all focused on the same purpose and grounded in the same reason of why big companies are shifting to unify around their purpose. If they already haven't bringing together their corporate relations in philanthropy, and their mission altogether because the more those things are scattered the hard it is to, you know, make a difference and move the needle it's hard enough in a big organization to get people all move in the right direction. It's like hurting cats, and you add any disparity around purpose. And it's like hurting cats with laser pointers in the interview, he gave great examples of big companies regroup in their focus. You know? One example mad is tesla. Tesla from the beginning was motivated by desire to hasten, the world's transition to sustainable energy. They just happened to pick cars as a way to do that. A group of engineers came together. And they wanted to make electric cars that performed better than gasoline cars, and he knows motivated by this larger question of why the company existed, and that was to bring us into a sustainable future. And now their success there has gone into other areas such as solar shingles on roofs and other things that contribute to sustainability again, tesla accompany focused on why they exist and everything they do is motivated by that. And all this comes from as Neil said Simon cynics, why conversation has or why talk that he gives in Ted talk. And so in order to answer the question, how can our organization adapt to this working remotely trend? It starts by answering. Why are organising nation exists in the first place? I don't think it really matters where people are when they're working. I think it matters. What the purposes of what they're trying to? To accomplish. And sometimes that needs to be together in one space collaborating and sometimes that can be working out in the field. Sometimes that can be at home alone at home collaborating through technology. I think those lines will continue to blur. And it won't really matter where people are anywhere on the globe. Whether they're at home or in a business as long as they're unified around a core purpose, and they have a clear set of objectives. And then they collaborate with the right tools at the right time because there's no replacement for face to face interaction in our business when we sort of start with why our purpose is empowering patients. So if you best do that working from home or you do that in collaborating in a group, depending on your role in the circumstance, I think that unifying principle makes all of that happened. And again, it comes back to re-emphasizing. The question of why the organization exists Neil takes it a step further to help us in our employees, really drill. Down into our organization's purpose. I think the best way for an individual employees to kind of engage in a conversation about the ration now for why they would work from home anywhere how they do their their work in the best environment is to start with why and maybe to start with the why of the business, but then from the design thinking perspective ask five lies, so anything you can ask five wise, go to the deeper value or root cause is a powerful experience. Even in our company are why is to empower patients, but if you double click on that any ask why a couple more times, why are on demand, nurse educators. The best at enabling patient empowerment, and you go deeper into the why there. Well, it's it's empathy. Really what the core of it is is empathy. So if you're on the front lines in engaging patients, and you have the empathy. What's the best environment and way that you can do that doesn't matter whether you're working from home or on a phone or in person? If we give you those skills to maximize on your human capability, of empathy to make that connection that really empower patients. It's a very powerful exercise. I think that same way if you apply asking why five times both to your your your company mission to your job role. Y y y y y y I think you kind of get to the heart of how you could bring that forward to say to someone why this is the best solution and not just selling it for your own benefit. But for the best possible outcome for the company and for the mission. And so I took this exercise that Neil offers to try asking five lies, and I try to apply to our podcast. Well, if we asked the first y that's gets us tour mission to help organizations. Make better business ins the second y so leaders can grow their organization in order to hire Kelly students. Why so our students can make an impact and grow our community the fourth why because we see high value within every person of every community in. Indiana why because we deeply care about the future of each individual's. Well, being inside our community or boil down to we're very empathetic about growing our community to have the best economic impact that they can for their family that leads them for the future success. And so once we drilled down on our organizations why which defines our purpose. Our next step to answering. How to adapt with the working remotely trend is changing how we think as leaders in two different ways. So what are the things that I think is kind of obvious from design thinking and kind of almost improv is this concept of mindset of. Yes. And thinking, so if you're in a critical mindset, if you're thinking, yes, but you're always sort of finding the why something can't work that kind of critical mindset is very important in everyday business sitting so things don't go while the off the rails. But I think what leaders don't do to create a more positive. Live generative culture for the future is to think about time when you could say, yes aunt and even to be cognizant when am I saying, yes? And in this creative brainstorming mentality of creating the possibilities for the future versus of limiting and saying no to things try. Yes. And exercise around that if you say someone's going to be at home. Yes. And what would that a label zoo? Yes. And how would that enable them to not have to spend time commuting? Yes. And how could they be more productive engaged? Yes. And what are the possibilities? When you start to imagine all the benefits of something and build onto them, not from a critical mindset of regulation and management and accountability. But of impossibility, then I think you really unlock the potential of people working from wherever and however the second way to change our thought process is to change our perspective on the future. I think the best way is leaders that we can get ready for that kind of a future is. Is to have a perspective of abundance versus scarcity, and it is the concept of shifting from this idea that resources are scarce to all the possibilities that will be technologically enabled in the future that if we shift from that thinking about limited resources to an abundant future. It really changes the mindset of trying to micromanage and lack of resources to trying to get the right best and brightest minds around solutions. The MS bio marketing has been recognized as one of fortunes top one hundred workplaces, and it has a chief that with more than one hundred full time and eight hundred demand clinical educators nationwide. This success stems from Neil constantly driving down on the organization's purpose embracing innovation and trust in his employees to get the job done. No matter where they are locate. So then the question becomes how do we ensure that the job actually gets done? Well, we must have an engaged staff and the key for having an engaged. Staff is finding the right talent. I think the right people with the right vision don't need to be managed nearly as much if you find people who are unified around your mission, and they understand the purpose. A lot of the reasons to have to micromanage the details sort of go away in very specific ways technology enables a lot of things and even more. So in the future to be able to make sure that as we all continue to be hyper efficient that we make sure we can learn how to be more effective and engaged at every step along the journey in the in the workflow process, and Matt it's not just about finding the right talent. But knowing that the right people, the top talent value autonomy as one of the highest things they wanna be feel mastery and feel good about what they do and feel qualified and have advanced learning opportunities and feel like they're an environment. Growth, and they want the autonomy and flexibility to be able to do it. So I think if you give the right people the right, tools and the right freedom. They're going to come up with better smarter solutions than if you think, you know, the answer and try to go prove it. I mean, there's always something that is a boundary or. An upper limit or constraints on your environment. No matter how you put that together. So I think as much as you just sort of take on the mission and internalized that you know, in areas where people are their creativity stifled they're unhappy. They don't want to be part of that. They're not coming up with the best things, and they're not gonna stay around to work on something that they don't feel good at and that they don't believe in. And we also need to recognize the right people don't have to be held accountable. So if you if you start with finding the right people, and you're not managing for processes to have, you know, people who really probably shouldn't be part of the company just be more compliant with processes you play. You don't have the right people or the right system or they're not engaged in the mission. So, you know, that's not always too easy to do to figure out the root cause it's easier to sort of look for how do we make this person accountable. And I think as things get more and more automated in technology makes our lives easier. We should take our human time and attention. Connect more with people to figure out those root causes of what makes people more effective, and and what brings people down and not be producing results. But then how do we ensure our culture our vision, and our mission keeps are talented employees engaged to advance our cause as leaders we need to learn how to tell great stories. So I think you have to get really good at telling stories, and you have to get really good at sharing signs and symbols that that make a difference in our reminders one thing that came to mind was we had initiative where we're talking about cutting through clutter that we just shouldn't see all the red tape in certain areas. I mean, we work in a highly regulated environment. We have to be very disciplined about about those parameters, but in areas where it's unnecessary bureaucracy. We just wanna cut through clutter, so very simple thing. But our team came up with the idea let's make logo d- scissors that are on everybody's desk. So anybody wherever they work. They have a pair of scissors as a visual reminder. Her there to say, we cut through clutter. So it's just those very simple things sometimes too. I have them on my desk. And every once in a while, you're like, oh, yeah. Let's get that. Let's do it. And they say if if you don't create a story nature hates a vacuum. Someone's going to create a story for you. They will fill in with that constellation of information that's around people create stories. So give them the story. You want to tell give him the story that empowers the future. Don't let people just sort of create their own stories so own it and use it to your benefit. You know, Matt a story grabs the heart. A story speaks to a different part of our mind facts and figures there in the rational part of our brain, and those facts and figures inter-, and they leave very quickly but stories are absorbed by the emotional part of our brain. And it's stuff that enters that part of the brain doesn't leave it sticks with us. And that's what we mean by grabbing the heart and when a manager or a CEO. I can speak to that part of their team's brain this going to have a powerful impact on keeping everyone focused and finally with everything we teach through these podcasts. These tips are simple to here yet hard to apply. Even when I think I'm pretty grounded in these obvious principles. They're very difficult to execute. So for example, he what's this conference recently that was about exponential change and technology, and somehow I got myself wound around the axle that I was gonna come out of this with a solution to bring forward to the team at about three days into it. I realized why is my whole career based on finding the right people and giving them the right tools and letting them figure out what's next, and then all of a sudden at the most technologically advanced time and most precarious time in human history. I think I need to come up with solutions. Spoonfeed them to people is just so wrong thinking, so when you open yourself up and say, I don't really need to figure out a solution. I just need help. Find new tools. For the best and brightest to be able to find the right solutions. It's very free to. So let's recap. There's a rising trend toward working remotely as leaders. We must face this challenge. Now rather than playing defense later. So how do we adapt? I we must drill down on the purpose of our organization right down. Your mission statement, followed by five wise, answering those questions boils down your existence into one simple answer next. We need to change. How we think in two weeks? I instead of always saying, yes, but dot dot dot try saying, yes, and dot dot dot challenge. Yourself to finding a solution where both possibilities can exist. As Neil said. Try a yes an exercise around if someone's going to be at home saying things like yes. And what would that enable them to do? Yes. And how would that enable them to not have to spend time commuting? Yes. And how can they become more productive and engaged? And second recognized that as technology improves, our abundance of resources improves, if we see what's possible through the lens of scarcity. We will not grow to our full potential. The next step comes with finding the right talent who aligned with our organization's mission and making sure we give them the right tools. Neal says that the right people need autonomy and do not need to be micromanaged rather we should spend that time managing our processes instead allowing people to work how they want creates freedom and freedom creates surprising innovation finally to keep our remote workforce marching in the same direction, we need to be the best storytellers stories. Grab our emotions a much stronger force than are logical fun. And if we're not controlling what stories are told someone else will if we allow ourselves freedom to fail embrace a culture of innovation and push past our own insecure. These are organization will overcome any obstacle on the horizon. This has been another episode of the ROI podcast, presented by the Indiana University Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean, Phil Powell our mission is to help organizations. Make better business decisions. We'll see next week.

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Part One: How to heal a broken organizational culture | Ep. 89

The ROI Podcast

14:59 min | 2 years ago

Part One: How to heal a broken organizational culture | Ep. 89

"On this episode. We have the honor to sit down with Indiana university's athletic director, Fred glass, who has taken us on his journey of healing hurting, organizational culture. Let's get to the podcast. Welcome to another episode of the ROI podcast presented by the Indian university Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel up alongside associate dean, Phil Powell here on our show. Our mission is simple. We help organizations. Make better business decisions. This is your first time listening. We just want to say welcome to the Kelly family, and we just want you to know that our weekly podcast just aims to help. You have tangible skills, you can apply to your leadership instantly. And for everyone rating our show and sharing this on social media. We just want to say you onerous, so well, in fact, because of you are show has been able to see tremendous amounts of growth. So thank you so much for finding our content valuable and sharing it with your colleagues, your friends and even your family members. And for those of you who have a question if you guys are wrestling with leadership topic that you want some answers on if you're if you have a guest that you think would make a great person that we could interview shoot us an Email to our. Oh, I pod. That's R. I P O D at UP dot EDU. All right. So on this episode. We are sitting down with us athletes director Fred glass to learn from his unique journey that brought this former lawyer from government official to athlete director. Basically, I was minding my own business practice lawn. Indianapolis never aspired to be an athletic director wasn't a dream job. None of that. The the search committee reached out to me and asked me, whether I'd be interested in my first reaction was no because I didn't know anything about it seemed crazy. I was a partner at a big law firm, which is, you know, very stable situation to be in and all all that stuff. But the, but the more I thought about it the more I thought maybe this would be something I'd wanna do, and I was at a point in my life where it made some sense. I was about fifty years old four kids. My youngest two are close to being out of the nest. I thought well, maybe this is something that I might want to do and the more. I thought about it part of the attractiveness was that my whole career always been a staff guy, and I liked being a staff guy, and I hope. Staff guys in high admiration, but in the political environment. I never wanted to be the officeholder I like in the staff guy, and and then as a lawyer, you really the staff guy, you know, you're you're you're you're advising business people who are doing real stuff, but you're not really doing anything on your own. So I always thought that'd be kinda cool. You know, Matt Fred followed a very unconventional journey into his current job. He was trained as a lawyer spent most of his career in state government, and then move directly in the position of athletic director of a major university. He's never been a coach he's never worked in college athletics in any way, and he's ever been with lettuce director. This was an uncommon way to get into the collegiate sporting world and sorta hitting the rewind button. This was an opportunity Fred said he could not pass up. So when I get the job, I don't know anything about being an athletic director. And I know that and the firm was cool enough. To let me spend the two months between my being announced and taking over to just get ready. And so I interviewed like one hundred fifty people literally coaches donors fuel the NCAA other a dis, you know, people whose judgment I value and coming out of talking to the coaches, several coaches said to me, basically, why would someone who looks like they could be doing something else when it come here and do this. Which didn't scary. But it was jolting to me because to me it was like the quintessential college town. You know, I you my mater sports kids what's not to like. But then I reflected on what their reality was. And their reality was I would be the fifth athletic director in eight years. So your listeners can imagine in any organization if you're churning leadership like that, how can you ever get anything done? And then on top of that within the last ten years at that point. We had fired coach night which was hugely divisive Paul around the country. Really? But especially in the athlete department coach Hefner who we thought was going to lead us to the promised land and football dies, tragically of brain cancer. And the reason I was there Kelvin Sampson, and my predecessor mishandled a major infractions case where the basketball coach was cheating and not caring about kids graduating. This was the reality. I was walking into and and and and it was a dysfunctional situation. And and the people in the department didn't understand that. Because that was there. Reality. And they thought that was normal and it's not normal. And it was creating all the kind of behaviors you might expect in that situation. They were hiding in their bunkers they didn't want to be noticed. They were just going to wait me out. Like, they had waited everybody else out. They didn't want to color outside the lines. They didn't want to take chances. So here's Fred already faced with the challenges that come with just starting a new job, especially him entering into a brand new industry. However, he also found himself entering an organization that now has low morale, and maybe a little jaded toward leadership because as he said, they had five athletic directors over the span of eight years, he knew this would take some intentional work to start healing concluded that I really sort of had to heal the department for I could lead it, and I felt like I had to create a spirited core. Something that we rallied around. So that we weren't all just doing our little tasks and getting the hell out of dodge every night. But there was something bigger to it. And and I I'm a big follower of Ignatius Jesuit philosophy. Not so much from a theological perspective. But from a leadership perspective, and one of the things that I knew about it rebuff from having attended there. And being the first alumnus to chair the board apper buff was they had the jets have this thing called the Graddick graduation. The the attributes they went their graduates to have the day, they graduate. And I think they are being religious loving intellectually competent open to growth and committed to social Justice. And it's everywhere. It's on the walls. It's on easels at graduation. Every teacher is required in their syllabus to describe how they're going to inculcate those values in their kids whether they teach history or they teach organic chemistry, and I went to rebuff had four kids. Go to rebuff, I warrant you that they don't all come out with those attributes, but the mindfulness of that is really important for me. Those things started to take root and meet much later in life. Not when I was a recent grad, but as I got older, it meant more to me is like the old tiny time pills on the contact commercials. So I basically stole that I said we're going to set out our grad at grad. What are our priorities? What do we want our staff and athletes to embody, and and we try to track those people to us than we try to engender that in them. So when they leave they have that and for us there. Very very clear, we have five priorities and order number one. We play by the rules. Number two. We are well in mind body and spirit number three. We achieve academically. We're gonna go to class and graduate number four. We excel athletically, we're gonna win championships. And number five we want to be integrated with university and be a part of something bigger than ourselves. And I will tell you that. If you ask them what's anybody around here? They'll be able to tell you those pretty closely. And and that's what we're all about. It's how we evaluate staff. It's how we set priorities in our budget. It's how we hire coaches. It's why I'm here today because being integrated with university is one of our values when I get asked by folks like you to be involved in things like this. I'd do it the five pillars as Fred describes would become the foundation in athletics for successful, character development, athletes, coaches staff and Fred himself, but before. Four Fred could start building this foundation. He had to quickly heal wounds in the organization. So what did he do? And I think it really comes out of you gotta listen, you you you can't come in and have all the answers. Even if you think you've got him and even baby you do have him. And that was part of the whole thing about talking to one hundred and fifty people that really really helped me. And then when I got in. I didn't make any changes. I had ideas about people I wanted to change things I wanted to change. But I I want to I want to make sure I really thought I was right and be earned the the support by not kinda shooting off and having all the answers because I think people come into a situation like me. It's very tempting to feel like you've got them. All you want to shoot around as we see Fred recognized the sensitivity required for rebuilding a healthy culture inside his team. And he knew his humility would become a driving force to that success. So in addition to the people I talked before I got the job. I was talking to people all the time. Got there. And I didn't even have a staff meeting. I just kind of walked around and talk to people and listened. And I got a buy in from faculty members coaches as we started to evolve the five priorities and the spirit of Indiana. Twenty four sports went team, which came out of that. Because I just I think, you know, people wanna make sure they're heard you have more credibility if you hear them, and I'm really good at writing these priorities, and you know, riding stuff and all that. And I could have sat down and done it. But it really wouldn't have been worth a lot. Because I think the people feel at had to feel like they were a part of that development and be a part of that development. We both know that for many leaders. It's so tempting to come in fired up have all the answers and try to win this new team to your vision yet, it's the successful leader who can channel that energy toward building organism. Buying. As we have learned through Minneapolis odes of the ROI podcast. People are the greatest asset of any organization. And in order for our organization to advance. We need a motivated team passionately invested in our mission that is well defined. So the question is how do we as leaders? No win. We have quote unquote arrived a flippant, but I don't think it's ever check. It's never checkmark. I've been here eleven years, which is a lot especially compared to five athletic directors in eight years. I always say, you know, I may not be the best athlete director in the world. But you you get a lot just by showing up. You know, I think Woody Allen was sort right about that. So I think the longevity helps, but but I think it's your you've always got to be in campaign mode of of of never saying. Yeah, I've got that figured out. I've got everybody settled dance your question a little a little more specifically. I think getting the five priorities set getting the spirit of Indiana set. And then when we when that morphed into or the natural evolution of that was the student athlete Bill of rights. We got done in two thousand fourteen would have been about five years in. I really felt like we were starting to get the pillars in place that was creating its own culture. A culture we could rally around because the whole point of all this is I think in the in this may be true for a lot of your listeners to and their industries intercollegiate athletics is just changing dramatically, and I believe if you're not a value based organization, if you don't really have a sense of who you are. And what you want to be about. You're gonna lose your way in the storm. You know, when the when the when the when the peer gets washed out, which it feels like it is and the rules are changing who who are we really, you know. And and it sounds tripe think it's really true. If if the number one goal of athletics was following the rules when they hired Kelvin Sampson. They went hired Kelvin Sampson. He was a cheater he was documented cheater, you know. But but those those basic touchstones, I think are really important because I still refer back to them. We'll be to meet him. Well, if we really think this, then we're not we're not going to do that. And so a culture now strengthen to handle any storm brewing in the horizon, but what about Fred's personal storms? How does he stay grounded as a leader? I don't wanna sound too corny. I guess, but but one of the things that I've really settled on is. I think the secret to a good life is gratitude and forgiveness and in everything I do kind of big and small in my marriage in my job and all that I like to keep that at the at the forefront. And to me forgiveness is like a force field that you know, if it's forgiveness isn't being chump forgiveness as freen Frene forgive her, and that's been a real constant and positive thing for me. And then this being grateful for things biggest small being grateful for living in western culture being grateful. I take a hot shower every day being grateful. I've got this job. Even when things turn bad looking for a way to be grateful about. That and I'm not always good at it. And I'm not getting up on my high horse. But, but but, but if if I can keep be mindful about gratitude and forgiveness than everything else pretty much takes care of itself at its most fundamental level. Fred reminds us of one important thing for organizations that I must heal wounds from the past move on and accomplish great things. Great leaders equipped their organizations to do that when they connect management and the culture to what drives human happiness gratitude and forgiveness are at the heart of what makes individuals happy. That's evidence from positive psychology and Fred's done wonderful job of connecting. What he has done to what will ultimately drive the happiness of his team and their sense of worth and mission on a daily basis. That's all the time. We have this week. Join us next week as we finish. This two part podcast. I use athletic director Fred glass, where we will finish our conversation about how to continue healing and organizations broken culture. This has been another episode of the ROI podcast, presented by the Indiana University Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean, Phil Powell where we work hard to help organizations. Make better business decisions. We'll see next week.

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Carla's Reality Update

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"If you're ready to travel again dulles international and reagan national airport's are working hard to help you have a safe and enjoyable journey. We've implemented health and safety measures like sanitizing more often and requiring face coverings and was shopping and dining options available in every concourse. You can enjoy a meal or grab a snack before you visit w. a. dot com slash safety to learn more about our safety measures and see available concessions. Hi i'm host robin roberts and on a new podcast from iheartradio. Kobe nineteen immunity in our community. We'll hear from americans on the frontlines and the doctors and medical experts who convince them and their loved ones to roll up their sleeves and get vaccinated. Listen to kobe. Nineteen immunity in our community on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast we can do this. I come on. Tell me introduce out girl. We'll see is here one and only call the feral. What reality update all right. Let's go. Let's talk about the ozone network. Let's start things off with yes. I feel the best show. Her all right so melody and mar tells friends the fletchers this couple. They invited melody and martel over to kinda you know talk about their marriage and relationship this couple that their friends with they want them to work out their marriage. They've been married a very long time so they were trying to counsel. Give them advice and they've been through some of the similar things with infidelity and all that well what we learn in that moment at the fletchers house is that melody. Holt is sick of her soon to be ex husband. Martin will take a listen. You know when martel start explaining himself and talking about cheating and how the conversation got heated and listen to him go off on his wife and he cheated for years in a relationship has a child on the way a baby boy on the way. Listen to how. He talked to his wife about cheating. Take a listen. 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How to successfully network in a hyper-connected world | Ep. 78

The ROI Podcast

17:29 min | 2 years ago

How to successfully network in a hyper-connected world | Ep. 78

"They. As technology improves our world, shrinks allowing a new wave of connective French shearing breakfast, halfway around the world businesses signing deals from different countries and news feeds giving up to the second updates all in real time yet there are still those who struggle to create a successful network that inspires collaboration shirt. We may have hundreds or thousands of social media, followers or friends. But how do we capitalize on building meaningful community? Let's get to the podcast. Welcome to another episode of the ROI podcast, presented by the Indiana University Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean Phil Powell where we work hard to help organizations make better business decisions as we settle into a brand new year. We wanna say thank you to all our listeners for helping us grow this podcast. We are so honored that you find are content valuable inter sharing these episodes across social media, and this really means the world tests. So as leaders have you ever wrestled with finding the right people to join your team. Do you get overwhelmed trying to create a personal network of like minded individuals, especially in this, hyper connected world. I mean, it seems like there are more social media outlets than there are net flicks movies. So how do we use our networks effectively on today's episode? We are sitting down with CEO of powder tag that hunk ler who's going to share how to successfully network in a hyper connected world. Matt has built a business model around forming community. This is another high tech company, Indianapolis that has a national presence would powder keg. Does is they in a city they bring together high tech companies in different types of venues and different types of events to help people connect with venture capitalists, coders business managers all to help that high tech community thrive in that city, and they been growing fast one thing they've been doing is that they in each of their cities, they've actually structured their data collection. So this actually tech census. So they've collected data on four or five different cities on an ask different questions about the eco system, and you can go to the website and get these interesting insights about how one city compared to the other, and that's helpful. If you're a company wanting to look for a place to reside in terms of your headquarters or. If you're someone looking for a job and you want to find the right sector or find the right type of company with the right culture. And what he's doing is by Billy community. He's bringing information to the fastest growing industry in the US economy. However, Matt would challenge me calling high-tech its own sector that in fact, it's much larger than that. And I would almost argue in a lotta ways tech is no longer a sector. It just is the business world every is becoming a tech company. And if you're not utilizing technology innovation to stay ahead. You're quickly going to be in the rear view mirror. And of course, fortune five hundred snow this mid sized companies know, this in startups notice, which is why a lot of them are basing their business model on technology, and those are really the companies we look to serve as those fast growing, scaling companies that see product our technology as their core product. It's different in that it's changing so quickly, which means not only is the technology changing quickly. But the networks are changing. Kley who you need to know are changing quickly. And so the number one thing to think about beyond just one think globally think beyond your local ecosystem and make sure you're consuming information beyond your physical geography is also just be informed of what's going on in your local community. So a lot of what I did in the early days of after graduating from the Kelley school and moving to Indianapolis was just making Charlotte subscribed to every newsletter. Whether it was the Indiana business journal or inside Indiana business with Gary deck or any podcasts that were available which there weren't as many in two thousand nine as there was no hot cast. You the I know it was it was a sad day was the dark ages. And so that would be the other thing I would say as you've gotta get face to face and having conversations with people outside the four walls of your office or your apartment, or wherever you're spending mortgage time, you gotta get out there. So did you know the average? Person on social media has four hundred thirty two followers or friends connected to their account think about that for a moment if you were to have an event for all these people and they were to show up. You would have to set up almost forty four rows of chairs with ten seats per row to accompany everyone. That's a lot of social connections insider digital circles. But the thing is we have so many quote friends yet. How do we leverage that to increase our business or help our leadership or even get the right people on our team? You know, it's more than just a social media presence. It's about getting face to face with those around you. That's how our brains are trained operate. We're social creatures. If we stay only on social media. We're gonna hinder our networking. We're going to work against human nature. In fact, a recent study from psychologists at the university of Pennsylvania found data that connects social media use to decrease wellbeing. And an increased sense of being lonely. So we have more connections. But there's no substance to them on the other side of the continuum, though, if we only engage face to face will miss out on the Volvo business landscape and get left in the dust by other companies because indeed we will be alone. Although we may not feel that way. So the key to here is balancing your networking through social media and face to face you look at engaging network like powder keg. That's going to give you way, more access to talk to more people about your product get outside the building go to an event talk to twenty different people in a single evening as opposed to taking a month to schedule out twenty coffee meetings where you get the same amount of product feedback an evening versus a month. You always have to think about time and how you're utilizing that time as a startup founder as a startup manager or again, even if you're an innovation at a fortune five hundred company because you have limited runway. And you have a Jillian ideas. But then also you're using those relationships to foster and create new relationships through the network. So I have a conversation with Phil Powell at a powder keg event. And I say Phil, hey, what do you think about this new piece of technology relaunching, you give me some feedback? And then I asked at the end, by the way is there anyone that you know, who might be able to give me some more feedback on this. Or who else? Should I be talking to if I wanted to sell this product, or who should I be talking to to help me build this product because that's another really important piece of the startup gain is not just product feedback. But hiring the right people to join the team as you continue to grow and scale this thing, which as we know is a growing pain point that Kelly sits right at the heart. So now that we understand the importance of effective networking. The next question is how do we create a successful network of individuals that will help our cause my number one piece of advice for people jumping into a new network. Is actually something. I'm borrowed from Techstars founder Brad feld. Who's also a venture capitalist at foundry group. He's a thought leader in the tech world, an amazing guy, and one of the things he told me, I think this was back in two thousand eleven was the number one thing that sets someone apart in a community or network is their willingness to give I and that can set a network in a community apart in and of itself give I actually became a hashtag on social media in Denver and boulder and around the whole Techstars brand because it really captures their philosophy. Which is when you approach new network, we've all met that person that at an event or that shows up in our Email inbox that just says, hey, here's here's what I need. Here's what I need. Here's what I need. That advice of give I is so powerful because it takes you out of that scarcity mentality in puts you in an abundance mentality and says, hey, I have something to offer to this network in offering something up to the network, whether it's to make an introduction or to recommend a book that you read or to recommend a person they should connect with and to make that introduction is a is a great way to introduce yourself to a network that says, hey, I'm here to contribute. And that's really what I spent the first two years of my career just doing was just give I how can I help? How can I help? I'm a recent graduate. I don't know what I don't know. But I do know some things that I two years of constantly doing that nonstop after graduation has now become a habit. And I and I do it naturally as part of our day to day thing. And I think it's a core value here at at powder keg as well as give I worry about what you're gonna get in return. Later or even really don't worry about it at all. Because it always comes back and usually comes back tenfold so number one in order to create a successful network in hyper connected world as Matt said, we must give before we get from our networks again going back to human nature when you meet somebody your brain, either says friend or foe. And if they detect that you want something in return, it's our nature sort of drawback, so it an important part of networking is projecting. The sense of giving projecting the sense of caring, and that you really want to help a cause larger than yourself helping those in the eco system, and when you give as Matt says it will come back in return. So the second way to build a successful network in. This hyper connected world is to put ourselves out there in new networking circles with intention -ality. The world is flat. There are no boundaries anymore. And the internet not the not one hundred percent of the world is on the internet yet. But a great vast majority of people on this planet are on the internet and they're engaged in some network online. And it might not be Facebook or linked in while that can be a great place to start. You might find a more specific tribe online you belong to if you just do a little Google searching. If if you ask some people ask around get comfortable with being uncomfortable. The the more you can kind of put yourself out of your comfort zone into trying a new slack channel. That's a free slack channel. You can join and engage in it can be a really great way to get hyper connected. The the other thing you have to balance there is that in a hyper connected world. You can be to connected. So at some point you do sort of have to start saying I'm going to prioritize these couple of networks with my time. So it I. Would almost have an exercise of triumph bunch of things you really open, but eventually kind of narrow back down and say, all right. What networks are providing the most value to me or do? I feel like I can provide the most value, and let's let's pick two or three of those where I can really make an impact and fuel engaged on a regular basis. Hopefully, daily again match being practical with respect to human nature. We cannot spread ourselves thin. You gotta pick one two three just a handful of networks that you can drill down on. So that every time you engage with somebody. It's going to have high value for your business, or whatever you want to accomplish with the organization and on the other side of that. I mean, if you're if you're spread out too thin, and you have let's say fifty different networks that you're trying to engage in that's really hard to manage almost is going to take more time where you're going to be spending way more resources and getting such little in return as far as value for your leadership. You can't spend all of your day networking, otherwise you get in. Nothing else done. And that's the whole reason that you network has to get stuff done. So finally the third way to create a successful network in. This hyper connected world is by being totally authentic. I think in a lot of ways we've hit peak social media. The reason I say we've hit peak social media's there's a lot of Facebook fatigue now. And there's a lot of people that are turning to like more niche communities. Because they can be their offense self there. There's a lot of ridicule it's happening on social media platforms. And I think one of the best ways leader can get comfortable with being themselves. Online is sharing vulnerable things in a trusted network or community and seeing that, hey when I share vulnerable things bad things don't happen. People. Don't laugh and point at me people. Don't shame me or make fun of me is that psychological safety that allows the leader to be there Athetic self and are more of their vulnerable parts and the hard lessons learned and the things they're struggling with. And so that's that's the daily habit. You have to find. How can I be more vulnerable today? Our brains, positively respond to people that are honest that are thin -tic that we don't get a sense trying to hide something. And that's a lesson for how you network. You want to have a calm presence presence that reassures the people that you're working with that. You're there to give that getting back, and that requires humility requires leaving your ego at the door. They're requires an open mind exploration and listening because you can learn so much. I mean, one of the things we learned from our podcast here is that one of the most important skills of an executive is to listen, that's how you learn. And when he learned you improve and it also allows you to fail sometimes so powder success powder. Keg is not only driven by the fact, the very efficient and very effective in running these events. But when you come into the powder keg network, it emphasizes these values, and it teaches people how to approach each other and to engage questions, and when you're in the powderkeg when you're at a powder keg event when you work with Matt when he worked with his team, you feel that authenticity, and it draws people in and this is exactly what tech ecosystems need all around this nation, and that's again powder. Kegs got a lot of. Upward opportunity here because they're they're really concentrating on building these communities outside of Silicon Valley outside of the east coast. In fact, they talk about themselves as unapologetically unveiled. And they've really got a great niche, and I can't wait to see them continue to grow and continue to, you know, become a Nash a national. Hi, tech company based here in Indianapolis. So let's recap technology is becoming more than just a sector of business. It's just how we do business and as technology increases. So does our interconnectivity with the gloat, but how do we leverage that for success companies like powder keg are hard at work answering that very question CEO, Matt hunker helped us discover ways to balance how we connect with the world. So our ideas, our businesses and our relationships thrive. The first way to create a successful network is to give before we get contributing our strengths for the betterment of another person or the group as a whole. This removes us from having a quote, scarcity mentality and ushers in an abundance mentality. Because as the principal of the harvest says, whether we plant inside our communities our networks or our business it will come back to us in a greater way than we thought possible. The second way we can create successful networks. Is by putting ourselves out there with intention -ality? We simply cannot create a linked in page or just show up to a networking event and expect collaboration. We need to have clear goals clear expectations of how to contribute, and and understanding of what we are seeking. So we can drown out some noise. There are an abundance of niche communities both online and within cities that would love your contributions. Finally, the last nugget of wisdom at offers is to be authentic building. Trust is important and necessary. However, whether we are trying to branch out online or in person, we will not grow. If we ourselves are not vulnerable. Sure, there's a risk of being ridiculed. But the reward is finding a group of people who will jump into help at a moment's notice. This has been another episode. The ROI podcast presented by the Indiana University Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean, Phil Powell working hard to help organ. Relations make better business decisions. We'll see you next week.

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Part One: How Indiana can decrease the talent shortage | Ep. 81

The ROI Podcast

16:02 min | 2 years ago

Part One: How Indiana can decrease the talent shortage | Ep. 81

"They. No one is safe or exempt from industry disruptors, including higher education, meaning in every segment of business nonprofit, religious governmental and educational institutions those who refuse to change or are okay with remaining complacent get left behind on this episode were sitting down with the Indiana state workforce cabinet chairman Danny Lopez who sharing incredible opportunities for not just the state of Indiana for each individual citizen from the rule cornfields of new Amsterdam to the bustling infrastructure of downtown Indianapolis were taking a critical assessment of how we can work together for the elevations of the great Hoosier state. Let's get to the podcast. Welcome to another episode of the ROI podcast presented by the Indian university Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel up alongside associate dean, Phil Powell dank you so much for spending some of your valuable time with us this week our mission on the show is to help organizations make better business decisions for those of you who are joining us for the first time, welcome to the Kelly family. We release a new episode every Monday, and as you can see our shows around twenty five to thirty minutes with some that are even shorter because we understand your time is a precious resource into all of this helping our show grow by sharing us on social media rating in reviewing our podcast and recommending to colleagues, we are so grateful and honored for your support. If you have not already be sure to hit that subscribe button on your favorite podcast app. So you can get the latest episode straight to your device. Well this week we have a special treat for you, fill Powell. And I sat. Down with the state workforce cabinet chairman Danny Lopez to engage in a conversation about how education in the current job. Markets are changing, and as you know, our goal for all of us is to critically examine ourselves the leader. Because an organization is only as good as the people leading the charge. So as an institute for post secondary education, we're going to take a look at ourselves and recognize opportunities for growth because as leaders we cannot expect others to change. If we ourselves are not willing to change first. So here is Phil Powell and Danny Lopez. It is such an honor to sit down with governor holcombes state workforce cabinet chair Danny Lopez. Danny welcome to the ROI podcast. So let's start from the beginning. Tell us about this very interesting position. And you how you came into leading this new cabinet. So it has been an interesting transition. It is a. A significant job. Just because you know, what I gets talked about all the time or the or the very intentional investments that we've made in our infrastructure and bringing jobs your had record job growth year after year. Going back successive administrations, we've we've had more and more funding and in K twelve if you've been following the news, you know, the governor just committed another ninety million dollars to trails to connect trails biking trails and hiking trails all throughout the state as a quality of life initiative, another one hundred million rural broadband, so I mean, the investments. There aren't very many states for pure states that are making these kinds of investments the challenge that we continue to run into his in order for us to continue to punch above our weight on a global scale, we spend the governor spends an inordinate amount of mental energy resources time, making sure we're positioning Indiana as a global player right on the economic development stage. He likes to take, you know, talk talk about taking the end of the world and bringing the world, Indiana. He's committed to that. As a big big piece of who he is personally. And what he's about as governor. Well, if you're going to continue to do that and punch above your weight. You've got to have a workforce to match you've got to have a workforce that not only is equipped for those types of jobs and that type of an economy right now, but it's also nimble enough to evolve as the as the economy revolt you evolves. And so you've got to have a workforce that can evolve in that can keep up. And so that means you got to have a k twelve system that can that can keep up you've got to have adult workforce programming. That can keep up. You've got to have institutions of higher education that understand that their role is changing evolving as well. We're fortunate that we've got a lot of those those pieces in Indiana with the governor has asked me to do is essentially sit atop a lot of those systems ensure that silos are being broken down in that world shooting towards some of the same targets across the state. And of course, this is all about attracting folks to the cities and towns in Indiana. I got an interesting question here, how can nature trails be part of a town strategy for the state wanna be where we're there are assets that they you know, they can connect with them. They can use. I think those are we we've heard that time and again from or argue economic development or job growth strategy has been has been stellar for for better part of two decades. But even that as volving because the needs of employers are involving so when employers say, well, we've got to be able to attract talent from all over. We've got to be able to keep telling in Indiana. How do we do that beyond just being in? You know, either in a college town or in. Central Indiana or mass avenue. How do we ensure that there's something there for younger workers, and it isn't what you'd necessarily would think it's things like trails? So those are things that contributed quality of life and the state has for a long time invested in something called stellar communities, which really focuses on smaller communities and bumps those communities to the front of a line for for projects. They infrastructure projects. They've guy going on whether that's whether that's roads. Whether that's facade work downtown work. But it bumps those communities of the frontal lines to designation. And it's it's invested millions of dollars in these communities. And when you think about the transformation that's happened in corden, for example, and what what Harrison county built around cord and looks like now as opposed to what it looked like ten years ago. It's come a really long way. And there's communities like that all over the all over the state, and it's because they figured out that if if you're going to be attractive to younger, people younger workers, you're absolutely right younger workers are gonna find where they wanna be and because of the ability to telework or the ability to be connected all the time. You don't necessarily have to. I can't tell you the number of my friends that are in an office all the time that's a change. And if you know, if that's the case, then you want to be someplace where you wanna live and those assets become super important. And so this governor has has made it a priority to invest in those types of assets, and we're gonna continue to do. So there's no end in sight for those types of programs. You know, Danny being a labor economist, I see this really about pipeline. Of talent pipeline that started early childhood education and extends all the way even past undergraduate and integrated school making sure that talent is produced for the industries that drive a region. As we look at the state influence talent needs. How do we go from a landscape of traditional silo academic credentials at institutions that sort of do their own thing to a seamless and connected system of skill development for the entire state workforce? I think it's leadership. And I think by the way, it's happening. I think if you look at the stuff that's happening at Indiana University. But also the stuff that's happening. At Purdue the stuff that's happening at ball state that stuff that's happening with our independent colleges. I mean, the stuff that's happening in higher education. I mean, you know, institutions that work with business collaboratively work with K twelve collaboratively and understand that this is a pipeline along which you're moving people, and you've got to be able to plug people in at different parts of this pipeline and get them the tools that they need to get to their next level higher. It institutions are already doing this with the focus on career connections. That really didn't used to be much of a piece of this focus on taking kids that are maybe twenty first century. Scholars or kids that are coming from different types of backgrounds and putting support systems on campus in place to help those students not only persist but get to graduation get to completion. Then move on and get to get to, you know, meaningful employment highways employment one of the things that we're trying to do is really challenge. Whether it's the nine twelve space or higher institutions to think about their accountability differently. How how they're held accountable differently. And I know that's where they get charged right accountability is charged term. But the reality is that we've gotta get our our high schools thinking differently about what their role is in moving kids into lifelong learning and professional success and institutions of higher. Ed, the same thing it isn't about getting somebody on campus anymore, providing them with information they walk out the door. And then you've got an alumni network that may or may not be engaged or whatever the case is it's about. Moving those kids along that pipeline. Getting them information getting information that's been validated by employers. Getting them information that's meaningful for the changing economy. And then and then helping them get placed and ensuring that you're actually building a culture of lifelong learning higher. Ed can be that. I think we're seeing that. I mean, I think the way it's going to continue to move in that direction as with leadership. But I also know that as a as a new as we've seen new generations of of higher education presidents, and chancellors and leaders come through they've all under the company a different system. And they've all understood that their role has evolved quite a bit. Now, Dan, this is very interesting stuff. You know, according to some of our own research, and of course, no surprise to you. The Indiana labor force is projected to grow only a half percent per year through twenty forty five. So what does this mean, this means if the Indiana Connie's going to grow it has to be about rallying, our educational institutions? To elevate the production capacity of our existing workforce from your perspective. How is the administration specifically thinking about addressing these challenges? Yeah. I think it's. It's an interesting question. I think when you think about the progress that's being made twenty th century. Scholars is a good example that is the one the the one funding stream and program will receive significant completion gains over their cohorts that aren't twenty century scholars, and these are all low income kids minority kids that are I I'm, you know, for generations students that are now enrolled in post secondary and the way that that program has evolved over time from a purely funding stream to now being a structured program that really wraps its arms around the student and the student's family to try to get them to completion. You're seeing those games all ready, and what is only going to have. I mean, I come from. We moved here from Miami ten years ago, and what the evolution in in in Miami really happened because you had people that had varying levels of success, but they all had common experience set of experiences, and they will reinvest it in those neighborhoods because. Grandma's still lived in Little Havana, or or whatever the case wasn't. So there was a there was always a tie back to something that was common, regardless of where you ended up professionally or in life. And I think one of the challenges that we have in Indiana is cultivating the type of organic leadership are these neighborhoods that are gonna turn around and reinvest the solutions in the Hispanic neighborhoods. For example, can't come from from me. They've got to come from kids that came out of those neighborhoods and understand the realities of those neighborhoods and can turn around and reinvest same thing in the Burmese community. Same thing in the Haitian community. Same thing in the African American of the Asian community, and frankly same thing in the rural white communities as well. You need people that understand those experiences have success, and then turn around and reinvest, and I think to the degree that we can, cultivate, that we're going to we're already seeing, but we're going to continue to see pretty significant changes in those neighborhoods. And I think you know, as you have here in India in Indianapolis, specifically, you've got to institutions in particular UPI, your always being one that as an. Urban campus understand the the the both the benefits and the challenges that come with being in the middle of an urban core area Marian university is another one that's right in the middle. You see what president Alzheimer's doing challenging the neighborhoods to get better and challenging staff to be ingrained in the neighborhoods. And I think when you have institutions like yours, and like Dan's focused on on community Centric, programming and focus more broadly on what impacts your campus. Have your campuses have on the greater community at large? You'll you will see those changes to continue Danny as we speak about these issues. We meet Lee picture urban areas in our mind, and a lot of the conversation is how do we bring the best and brightest to the big cities in Indiana. But from the governor's perspective when you look at the talent issue, what are some specific issues? You see with many of the rural areas. How do we drive good talent to the rural areas because those areas are just as deserving of a productive workforce? As are the big cities. And what are some approaches here that complement the larger strategy? I mean, I think without a doubt say surprise. I mean, you're you're seeing this globally. You're seeing a real consolidation of population urban core areas, I mean, that's just the reality. And so, you know, our our rural communities have many of them have figured begun to figure out how to create the types of quality of place initiatives that they need to be able to to to keep talent here, you know, and I think our universe causing universities that are that are located in those areas I figured out that they have a role to play as well. You know, I think that's a that's an ongoing challenge. I think you've got groups like in Madison or Jasper Indiana that have figured out like Jasper engines is figured out. We're going to partner with the schools, we're gonna get into the schools produce technical and career education programs that are actually relevant to students, and we're gonna try our best to keep them. In the area and they're seeing success rates because those kids are now invested in employer and the employer is invested in them in the schools. I think those are the types of initiatives that you're going to have to continue to build on. But I honestly think that we've got counties that that are going to have to figure out what they want to be and how they continue to evolve. And it's a challenge for them when they continue to lose population. And we don't see fertility rates increasing anywhere in the world. That's not an Indiana problem. That's not even an American problems. And that's international problem. I think regional cities started to do that. Right. Forced regions to think more holistically about how they plan what they are what they're tied bag is two major core urban core area. And I think to the degree that we can get these communities thinking. Regionally controlling their dollars. But thinking regionally get these counties bought into the fact that they're part of something larger in greater than just that county. We'll have more success in turning those counties around. That's all the time. We have for this week. Tune in next Monday as we continue our conversation with Danny Lopez state, workforce cabinet chairman for the state of Indiana. This has been another episode of the podcast presented by the Indian university Kelley school of business. I'm your host met Martel alongside associate dean Phil Powell where we work hard to help organizations. Make better business decisions. We'll see you next week.

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How to make your team more efficient | Ep. 86

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18:16 min | 2 years ago

How to make your team more efficient | Ep. 86

"They. The most efficient organizations run smoothly because of intention outy at some point the executive team created systems to streamline the workflow keeping individuals accountable and reducing confusion. When problems arise no organization accidentally became efficient. Let me repeat no organization accidentally became efficient systems also work as culture guards protecting the vision that we work so hard to create on this episode. We're sitting down with the CEO of a CPA firm who in the height of tax season heavily relies upon systems to safeguard their team from unnecessary frustrations. Let's get to the podcast. Welcome to another episode of the ROI podcast presented by the Indian university Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel joined by one of our telly economics professors Kyle Anderson who's no stranger to the show Cosmin featuring this podcast, a number of times now and most recently giving his economic projections for twenty nineteen by the way that episode is our second most downloaded episode of all time. So thank you all for your support and making this possible, it this is your first time tuning in, welcome to the Kelly family, the ROI podcast exist to help organizations. Make better business decisions. We do this by sitting down with prominent thought leaders high level business executives and well respected government officials who shared their wisdom for success. Our hope is you walk away with practical tips, you can apply to your leadership organization instantly. And if you're struggling with an organizational decision, if you have some feedback for our show, which we would love to hear or you. You know of an individual who just make a great guest shoot us an Email to ROI pod. That's ROI P O D at IEP y. Dot EDU. Okay. So on today's show, we're talking systems in creating systems inside an organization, they are key components. If you want to both scale and reduce friction within your team this week. We sat down with the CEO of ACT services to you know, who without proper systems in place would drown in tax paperwork. She sharing how having the right systems inside your organization makes for a better overall business systems help build an organization that can run a Thomas Lee from the owner in it should be able to run a timeously from the owner. I think it allows you to scale and grow, of course, you know, improves. Accuracy, improves the client experience. And you know, it just I think it really reduces anxiety. You know, as as a business owner, if you've got a clear defined process our jobs a manager. And a leader is to raise up do leaders with the goal that we are always replacing ourselves one fundamental leadership. Principle is individuals inside an organization will only be as good as the highest leaders. That's the gross ceiling. So it's on us as as the manager as the leader to train new individuals and pass offer sponsor ability. So that we can look ahead and grow ourselves. And one of the best ways to ensure successful training is by creating systems and you make great points. Cow. And it's important to understand. Why systems are so important to an organization? One key point to understand is that systems protect your organization from those frustrating clients, the ones that are draining time and resources for very little return. And that saves you both time and lost money. I think when you sit down and look at your open receivables of money that people. Oh, you and the aging of it. That's a start. You know, you look at all this money that you've earned, but people are not able or willing to pay you for and you start realizing I've got to do something different here. You know, I'm making invoices not money, and I can't pay the bills on that my firm manager. And I every other week will take our remove ourselves from the office. And we'll go sit in our Carmel office and have a strategic session for about four hours. And and one of those sessions I said I asked the question what are our friction points? What are the rubs here that really make life difficult in? What can we do to resolve those and? You know, we realized that it was you know, stemming from working with the wrong client, not recognizing revenue for our time in a timely basis. And then chasing our money. Will that all starts with working with the right kind of client? So we hired a marketing company to really kind of go through an identity crisis. And we had figure out who we were who we wanted to serve and how we were going to go about that. Well, when we do work for client. We do things one hundred ten percent in what I found is that there are certain clients at certain chapters and their lives that they either don't understand the value. What we bring to the table or not willing to or able to afford our fees for that level of service. And I just clearly define that with a new prospect how we work with our clients. You know, what services we offer in? I'm clear about what our feet. Structure looks like so oftentimes a client can basically arrive at the conclusion themselves that they're not fit. We all have difficult clients employees and colleagues who can drain our time. Tina makes a great point here. Wakeup call here came through a pile of open receivables clients is still owed her money for company service. Nothing is more important to small business and collecting receivables. So she had to find the right employees and the right systems to fix this. Another great thing about systems is systems keep team confusion down to a minimum. There's only one owner here. And I think there's a benefit to that in that, you know, sometimes some of my colleagues who have multiple partners they like things done a little differently. And I think that creates some frustration and some confusion for staff, we don't have that here. We have a small staff there's just thirteen of us. So when we sit down and conceptualize a process, we often do it together or in teams and roll. That out in clearly define them. So they're the ones that are actually working in these processes so together, we just conceptualize it until we feel like it's it's right? And then we revisited often once a year, we take everyone off site for all day long training retreat as a team and we cross train one another. So everyone here is responsible for training, the staff on whatever area soared they oversee or that they're they excel in how many times have we had individuals asking the same questions over and over or seems like we feel like we're communicating with our team in a clear and crew size way, yet we're spending most of our time clarifying our vision having the systems at Tina talks about keep us the leaders in check to make sure we deliver our vision in a way that makes the most sense for our team. And another reason why organizations need proper systems in places these systems, even free your time. The most valuable. Source as a leader. So you can focus on growing your organization. It definitely has alleviated some of my time from being in the trenches and day-to-day operations and allows me to be more strategic with the company. It's been it's been a game changer. Actually, I don't. You know, I removed myself from productivity years ago, just simply so I could work on strategies for the company and really kind of identify where we needed work, I'm constantly scanning every facet of the business and asking myself and my manager. What are we doing that works? What are we doing doesn't work when asking the staff the same questions, and and then setting about creating a plan to to resolve those those friction points in our practice, but it's you know, the systems have allowed. Yes, our staff to to work more autonomously from oversight. They're still oversight. But in so does allow my manager and I to be strategic. So one thing we hear about systems is that it can really create a lot of time for leaders to look outside of the organization or be more strategic in what could be more important to a manager than extra time being. Most valuable resource we can possibly have. So one thing you want to look at is. How do we map out the systems? What process do you go through to explicitly take the things that you do with an organization and thank strategically about. How you do them? A lot of time you may have processes in place. But you don't know what they are never kind of sit down and think about those examples, and I think that's a great place to start, and I to kind of get into how do we start creating systems if we're brand new company that don't exist, or how do we look at systems that have may have been there, but they're just not efficient? So let's answer that question how to create systems inside your organization. The first thing it starts with identifying the pain points inside your company, ask yourself and even ask your team where are the bottlenecks in trying to get a process from point a to point beat what confusion exists in? How we get our jobs done as a manager when you're speaking and trying to cast vision are there areas where people are lost or confused all the services that we offer our mapped out and flow charted. So that our staff knows where things go kind of borrowing from lean manufacturing. I think creating efficiencies and consistency reduces the error rate and the stress of the staff because they're not trying to conceptualize process as they go. Another way of building systems into your organization is to try to design the ideal think about what would happen if everything were working perfectly if all the paperwork flowed smoothly and without any problems. What would that process? Look like math that out but also map out higher currently doing it. And they're probably not the same. And they're probably a lot of ways that your systems can be improved. Remember employees? Inspired to get up in the morning and come to work because fishy, right? So it's not enough. Just to say, we're gonna make our organization more efficient. We have to show how this can make your employees jobs easier or contributes to the mission of the organization, and then you'll really get employees to buy in to the system change. So once we recognize where systems need to exist insider organization through asking some of these questions the next step is to create step by step procedures that bring solutions to our organizational pitfalls. Well, for instance, yusei a entire wall back here in my office with posted notes and ribbon. It's not pretty, but it's effective. But we literally sat together as a team we pulled up chairs and sat in front of it while we slept post, it notes on the wall and walk through each step and each in our process, for instance, for tax return preparation touches four and five people because we have to quality assurance steps. And everything we do. Do. And so we just together mapped it out and talk to doubt. And you know, you have to do it that way because someone on the front end may not understand all the steps that someone on the back end is putting that through. So you have to do it as a team to give an example of this at the killer school business our evening MBA program. We're looking at the entire admissions process from a system point of view in thinking about from that very first contact all the way through admissions, induction orientation every step in the process. How can we map that out make it more efficient happen more quickly with less resources? But also create a better experience for the incoming students. Every question, we should ask is how can we change the system to positively impact our employees help them get the job done better, and positively impact our customers. And if you go with those two goals in mind, you're likely to be. Successful. It's now once we have identified some bottlenecks and we worked with our team to create some step-by-step measures to help enforce them systems. Here's where things get really tough. Now. It's up to us to actually follow those systems the way we design them we have implemented several I guess safety nets. We every tax return that comes in our front door is is what we call routed into one of our tax professionals along with a checklist that professional has to go through that checklist to make sure that they've put that tax return through all of the considerations that they need to you know, when you've got a tax professional that is working fifteen fifty five hours a week and they're doing dozens of returns a week. You know, they get tired. So you need something for them to fall back on to make sure that they're considering all the things that they should be in addition to that we have to quality assurance steps. And everything we do when prepare completes a return. Turn it goes to one of two people who are CPA's that look at those returns to make sure they're applying the tax law properly once that's completed. It goes to another group who then looks at every single source document that we've been provided make sure that names are spelled correctly addresses are correct you all those things all the teaser crossed all the eiser dotted. So having those things in place have really increased our level of accuracy. And I sleep better at night as a boss rule leader. We're now charged a defend these systems, we put in place, if we don't lead, by example, we cannot expect our teams to follow. Remember, so SIMS are not bent to bog people down if done correctly the actor safeguards confusion blockers and keep our organization marching in the same direction. Finally, once we start sitting the example as a leader of how to follow these systems. We simply repeat these steps. So that we can constantly improve our practice because it's important to know here that these. These systems may not work right away. And that's okay. We just keep repeating the process. Find the bottlenecks find the confusion create new step-by-step measures with our teams and then keep the process going implemented and keep trying every leader has an obligation to become a lifelong learner. So please if you're interested in these topics pursue more and learn about it. It can have a great impact on your organization. If you're interested in learning more about creating systems and creating change within your organization, I recommend a couple books. One of my favorite books is switch by chip and Dan heath. It's a great book on how to create change in your own life within your organization, or within the broader culture. Another great read is the checklist manifesto how to get things right by tool ago on day. So let's recap systems are vital to our organization's efficiency. They protect our organization from working with clients who do not fit our mission. They worked to keep internal confusion down to a minimum. And most importantly, they protect our valuable time. So we can continue to cast vision for our company's future. So how do we create these systems that work? I we must find our internal pain points. Where is the confusion where the bottlenecks exists within our current workflows these become the bedrock for creating systems that actually work during this time have intentional meetings with employee's inside the organization, they will give you areas of improvement because they're the ones working the day today operations of our organization. Once we have some pain points work with the leadership team to create practical steps, everyone can follow. Whether that's a flow chart on posted notes or finding sophisticated software. Seek something that makes sense for you and your team. Remember our goal is to reduce the headaches, not create more next. This is where things get tough because it's up to us and our leadership team to actually follow these new protocols were implement. We have to set the example, it will not be perfect. And there will be some that are great in theory. But terrible in practice trust me. And that's okay. Because the last step is just to repeat the process constantly evaluate what's working. And what's not with everyone inside your organization. Remember, the goal of systems are to create less friction open our time as a leader and offer clear direction for our team to operate at maximum efficiency. This has been another episode of the ROI podcast presented by the Indiana University Kelley school. Business. I'm your host Matt Martel joined by Kelly economics. Professor, Kyle Anderson. Our goal as show is to help organizations. Make better business decisions. We'll see next week.

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How to be super happy and thrive at work | Ep. 80

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21:12 min | 2 years ago

How to be super happy and thrive at work | Ep. 80

"They. Monday morning hits like a ton of bricks as we mentally struggle with finding our motivation for a new workweek, we sluggishly brush our teeth button, our shirts and sip our morning coffee, hoping the flavor awakens our purpose. Sadly, according to a Gallup study around two thirds of the American workforce feel the same way the lack of purpose. So why would we spend forty hours of our workweek in a place, we dread or simply view as just a job on this episode were sitting down with an executive coach with over twenty years of employee engagement and emotional intelligence training, who's showing us how to be super happy and thrive at work. Let's get to the podcast. Welcome to another episode of the ROI podcast, presented by the Indiana University Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean Phil Powell if this is your first time listening, welcome to the Kelly family. Our mission is simple. We help organizations make better business decisions. If you like what you hear it would honor us if you would leave a review on our show. Also while you're there hit that subscribe button. So you can get the latest episode as it's released. It's only by your help that this podcast gross. So thank you so much in advance. All right, feel I have to ask you have you ever held a job that you just felt unfulfilled in absolutely especially when I was younger. I'm sure every single person listening has been in that situation where they just dreaded or they're in the situation. Now, they just dread going to work on a Monday morning. It's draining. It takes a lot of mental energy emotional energy. And it's just taxing because it affects every facet of. Of your life. You feel like you're doing tasks and things that have no meaning or no importance except just to almighty dollar, and there's not much spirit in that. And I want to echo what I said in the insure that two thirds. This is what's crazy two-thirds of the American workforce find themselves in a place where they just go to work, and they feel unfulfilled or unsatisfied with the role that they're in and on this episode. We're going to sit down with Gregg Bartsch who's an entrepreneur and executive coach and consultant with years of success in building companies and selling companies coming into companies and help building culture, and he's going to help us answer the question how to be super happy. And how do we thrive at work? So we're going to take two different perspectives here because here on the show we believe an organization is only as good as the people and the leaders that are actually setting the vision and moving the ball down the field. So it starts with us as leaders, then we're going to dive into what can we do to help change? The culture because as we've preached many times on the show, especially recently culture is key in creating a successful in thriving work environment for the employee's, you know, met that statistic of two-thirds of employees, not feeling engaged is abominable in its tells you just how much of a failure in leadership. There is an American business. And here's the bottom line. This is the cheapest way to increase productivity. It doesn't cost a lot of money to create a place. That's a great place to work. So let's start with like we said changes within leadership changes with the person in the MIR. Because that's where it starts in order for organizations to go to that next level. We have to look in the mirror and self reflect as leaders, so we can not only change ourselves. But then we can lead our teams in order to make those same changes. So the first thing is empathy, which is the ability to understand and share feelings with one another. So let's set this up a little bit. How? How many people do you know that are out work and they're constantly negative. You try to bring some positivity. And then they always find some way to knock it down or to be very cynical about a certain issue or you may give them a seemingly simple task yet. It sends them through the roof their stress levels boil almost to the point of breaking and many of us, including leaders think that's just their personality. It's who they are. When in reality. There could be a lot more forces at play outside of our work walls that are impacting this person, and adding so much more weight than we may know is there something else going on with the employees. Do they have a parent that the responsible for taking care of do? They have a sick child or nephew is their neighbor and best friend in foreclosure, there could be external things that are sucking a lot of their mental energy. Thirty and positive spirit into another situation. The organization clearly should be supportive of that. You know, Matt here's the takeaway think about this as jewel in when we have a big jewel in your hand it shines brightly. We have to shine brightly as leaders to motivate those around us to feel good about coming into work. And so it's your job as leader took to you know, to look at every facet of that jewel and polish it constantly, and it's a tough job. And there's a lot of meticulous work but doing it is the key to success here. And it's interesting to love that analogy. Because even when you think of how jeweler sets diamond or creates diamond, it's not just they grab it from the mind and stick honoring a who goes through heat. It has to be chiseled. It has to be worked. I mean, it goes through a lot of pressure in order to be good. So this is not an easy task. Like, you said just like building a diamond and setting a stone or a jewel is not an easy thing. It takes work. It has to be intense. Title and most leaders are lazy. And they just put it back on the worker and say, it's your job to create engaged place to work. No, no, no. It's the leader's job to do that. Once we begin to understand and feel empathetic for our employees as leaders. The next thing we need to do is find and build value for ourselves and our team once we get past that right? Then we're really at the core of what we're here to talk about. Which is does this person understand the value proposition of what we are trying to accomplish? And how they fit Tim. How are they aligned? How do they help the organization succeed specifically, how do they touch the customer? Isn't it true that every employee in every organization has some touch to the customer? Right. No matter what your function is including. Sanitary engineer and everybody else had truck driver. Everybody is touching the customer. Somehow. Secondarily, everyone is touching sales. How do you impact the top line of the organization, and people may not understand that understanding that we are strong and should feel strong? So that we can thrive and we can play nicely in the sandbox with our coworkers. Right. Because we feel empowered and we feel the ability to effectuation positive change, and we are growing. Do you wanna be doing two years from now what you were doing for years ago? No, right. Why? Well, then we could be toll taker on the highway it would be boring. Right. So we wished to stretch our capabilities to the edge of the envelope. Within reason we wish to feel foist supported and part of a bigger picture. So that once again, we can do together what we could never accomplish alone. You know, Matt we've heard the story on the IRO podcast we interviewed Andy medley from perk episode seventy three and there when you walked into perk. You got the sense that everybody sitting in that workplace knew that their role mattered. They knew how it generated value for the company, and they could see on the walls, the measurement of the value. They were creating and so that was a living breathing example of what Greg is just said here so next once we find and build the value for ourselves, and our employees we have to the most important thing knocked down our own internal barriers. Lastly is knocking down our own internal barriers to a great extent. It is not all. Our well entrenched highly intelligent well-capitalized hard working competitors. That are the challenge. It is us and the willingness and the ability to accept and think about change right Darwin said, it's not the strongest or the most intelligent of the species that survived is the species most willing to change paraphrasing. This comes back to a leader looking herself for himself in the mirror. We have to be willing to change. We have to be willing to adapt. That's the first thing that has to happen in the organization for the organization can change. That's what it means to be a leader. We have to pivot we have to understand mistakes be transparent about them behind about them and respond, and that's how we build the foundation that Greg's talking about and we can't expect our team to change. If we ourselves won't change. And I think that's that's key. Because a lot of leaders demand change from everyone else. But yet when they look in the mirror. They just they don't feel that the problem is on them. They feel it's everyone else it has to flow from the inside out from the leader. Again, that's one of the secrets of success created engage workplace. Once we as leaders, get a better inventory of who we are. And how we need to change then we can start implementing changes within our organization's culture, and we're not gonna spend a ton of time here because we have done quite a few episodes on the subject of implementing and changing your culture episode, sixty eight sixty nine seventy and seventy three are great resources to go back and listen to specifically how as leaders we can change our culture, and we will link each of these episodes in the show notes. So the first thing we can do as leaders is implement a culture of appreciation. And gratitude these do not have to be large achievements. It's in fact, it's actually more effective when there's a multitude of recognition of smaller, medium, not counting the larger chievements. What if you wait every nine months for a huge large achievement? So thank you very much for preparing that. So well it being early it coming in under cost helping out our co workers, a hopefulness culture in our individual life. The sciences shown that keeping a gratitude journal is very hopeful that if you write down a couple little things every day. I smelled the flowers on the way walking the dog, or you know, someone brought my newspaper up and threw it on the front porch or whatever the case may be leading out the newspaper thing since there are no more newspapers in any case. So if we write down a few things every day that were grateful for. The funny thing is is if you look at it a few weeks later or a few months later, you don't remember those little things. That's why you keep the gratitude journal a leader cannot say thank you enough a leader. Cannot celebrate achievement enough. It comes back to gratitude. Like, we're hearing here gratitude reflects on what we have overcome as a team as an organization as a community, it dismantles arrogance and brings hope for the challenges right in front of us. Great leaders turn their growth ceiling into their new floor. Meaning they're always stretching the growth, they're always asking team to aspire and to move to even greater things. Gratitude gives us confidence to climb that ladder. So next we need to create an environment for healthy relationships. The second of the three things that bridge between individual happiness and employee engagement is. Is relationships. Harvard had a study years ago right at the beginning of employee engagement in the early two thousands. That said if your friends are happier. You're happier. Okay. That makes sense. How about this? If the friends of your friends are happier. It makes you happier. Well, hold on a second. You don't know most of the friends of your friends. Lastly, if the friends of your friends of your friends or happier, you will have increased wellbeing happiness. So building relationships both in is an individual and in the workplace becomes a paramount importance, Matt if you talk to Greg long enough, he gives you the example from Winnie the Pooh, there was tigger who was hopping around love and life. And there was a your who ate thistles and everything was sad. Obviously e or represents the current workplace in most organizations tigger represents our aspiration, and when tigger is around and tigger is enthusiastic about life and excited about the simple things that cannot help. But be contagious. That's only human and the more Tigers. We have the more engaged our team's going to be so next what we need to do is we need to build positive exp. Variances for everyone because as we know experiences, far outweigh any sort of materialistic items. We could receive the third of the three things that I believe transpose the to John res- is the experience, so for instance, in individual happiness, they say, how should I spend my money? Well, you can go out and buy new car. Right. But it might mmediately get hit by a wayward beach umbrella as minded the first week, and it had a dent in it or scratch, you can buy a new phone, but then you scratch it or all the sudden six months later, it's not the newest phone anymore. Material possessions can be very fleeting. Whereas if we spend money on experiences, think vacation. The study show that it is more beneficial to our individual happiness, for instance, we will go on vacation we loved it. We come back. We're ecstatic. You have to go visit. It was unbelievable. We had the time of our life ten years later. It's even better if you loved it, then you're going to really love it. Now. Right. It improves over time. Right. The experience. Okay. Well, that makes a lot of sense. You know, think of the things you had ten or twenty or thirty years ago, the stuff right and now for a moment try and remember what made you happy of the stuff. Right. And what of those things do you still have if any first of all not much of it made of made you happy for more than a weaker a month and second of all you probably don't have any of it anymore or your baseball glove, but it doesn't fit anymore. So. In the workplace. It's the same thing told me about the experience when you walk out. Do you feel stronger? Do you feel smarter? Do you feel proud? Do you feel? Hey, how did I get to work here? How did I get to do this? Let camp believe they're letting me be in charge of implementing this project. It's about the experience, you know, mad as easy to think about work as a series of tasks and boxes to check and number to calculate, but like anything else, it's an experience we come to the workplace for several hours in a day. And it's like any other experience in life. And so as if we as leaders focus on making that experience as fruitful and as rewarding, but also as challenging as possible from an aspirant standpoint that's gonna play to what it means to be human for your employees. And I think too we can kind of see some great or. Organizations and some really amazing company sue people strive to work for art embracing some these quote experience values having coffee bar free to all your employees, create this sense of getaway this coffee. Shop feeling is creating an experience that you can remember having a snack bar where you know, you just need to step away and go grab a snack with us. It's creating experience which creates, you know, build better relationships which creates gratitude because people are thankful for where they have especially if you come from a job where like most of us have dull boring unfulfilling, there's a lot of skeptics out there. That would criticize all these ideas about a workplace that's fun, and you can take breaks, and you have free food, and you know, you can have free beer at five o'clock in the work day, and they sort of cross their arms and goes, well, that's that's just not efficient. That's not cost effective. Well, the old skeptical way of thinking. Is what led to the boring places to work? So if we're going to criticize anything, it's not the new ideas, it's the old ideas. And that's why we should embrace these because they are linked back to positive psychology which Greg has done a good job elucidating in this episode, which is science and we've done a terrible job in our management of workplaces. Connecting the work experience to what it means to be human and how the brain operates. So let's recap as over two thirds of our workforce are disengaged or neutral feeling at work, meaning they're frustrated with their job or they just simply show up because they feel obligated with little to no tides toward feeling fulfilled. As leaders were the ones responsible for creating engaging work environments where our team feels value inspired and excited for Monday's as leaders before. We can get our team happy. We must I reflect on ourselves. Ask ourselves. Do. We have empathy for our team members. Are we making meaniful and emotional connections as human beings next? How are we building value for ourselves? And for our team, it's up to us to remind ourselves, and our employees, how are specific jobs impact, the customer impact sales and impact the business overall. This leads to purpose. Which leads to job excitement. Then we must take an internal inventory of our personal behaviors holding us back. Most of the time it's fear of change, especially when we're comfortable. However as history shows us, those who remained complacent always get left behind once. We've conquered our own giants hindering our personal fulfillment. Now, we can tackle organization's culture. I does our culture encourage appreciation. And gratitude do we celebrate small wins? Are we giving those outs to our team regularly? Second. What do the relationships insider organizations? Look like do people get carried away in conversation with each other. Or do they stare at their computers for eight hours? Hardly saying a word our job requires us to foster healthy relationships among our team because research shows we are happier. If our friends are happier. And so on finally, we must create positive experiences inside our company just like. The experience of vacation vastly outweighs the satisfaction of a material object. What we experience at work creates memories that only appreciate with time. This has been another episode of the ROI podcast presented by the Indian university Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean, Phil Powell where we work hard to help organizations. Make better business decisions. We'll see you next week.

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How to sell your successful startup | Ep. 83

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21:24 min | 2 years ago

How to sell your successful startup | Ep. 83

"The. There are few things that beat the thrill of taking idea and creating an entire business from it. The risk of failure adrenalin of making your first profit the motivation behind that first staff meeting all of these are elements that help us feel alive. So when the time comes to sell our hard work, it's bittersweet how can one put a price tag on the blood, sweat tears and time put into this organization on this episode. We're sitting down with an entrepreneur who led his company through a buyout and talking about how he prepared himself and his team through this transition. Let's get to the podcast. Welcome to another episode of the ROI podcast, presented by the Indiana University Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean fil Powell here on our show. Our mission is simple. We help organizations make better business decisions. So thank you so much for spending your time with us. If this is your first time listening, welcome to the Kelly family. We put out a weekly show with you, the leader in mind because we know that an organization is only as good as the leadership running it and to all of our subscribers. Thank you so much for your support. Because of you are show has exploded in growth this past year through social media shares and just word of mouth, and if you are wrestling with a specific topic if you'd like to offer feedback and Howard doing or you just want to nominate a guess for our show, send us an Email to our pod. That's our P O D at UP, you I dot EDU so growing an organization. To a point where selling it in order to take your company to the next level comes with many, many, emotions there's excitement of something. New mix with the fear of shaking up the entire organizations workflow today, we're sitting down again with Randy Stockman, who's no stranger to the ROI podcast, and is CEO of one click ventures who just sold their company in order to take them to the next level. So let's go back and get a quick recap of how Randy made it to this point. So one click was founded in two thousand and five and we started out selling I wear and accessories online are sunglass warehouse. Brand was the first brand that we operate, and we actually acquired that brand from a gentleman Tampa Florida and from there, we built a portfolio out to eight core brands selling sunglasses Rian glasses neckties, scarves, hats, handbags, practically any fashion accessory that. You can imagine we we there tempted to. Sell it or selling at one point in time. And then at twenty thirteen we made the decision to focus exclusively exclusively on selling. I wear. So we looked at our across our portfolio and said what category are vertical makes the most sense for us to focus on because we wanted to singular focus for the team in the business model and our our brands were growing the fastest they had the highest margin. Profile and in our team really enjoyed marketing this brands and one of the things just kept coming up time and time again was constraints around capitol and and investments and as a company that was that's been self-funded and bootstrap from day one there. There have been a number of trade offs. We made over the years in the trade offs of almost always been a how how can we grow faster? I mean, the decision is never. There was never a decision made really Hackel. Become more problems, always about hacking, grow faster, and we all. These take a cash flow from operations and port back into growing the business that was just the philosophy. We had as as an ownership team. And so asking that question of, you know, how do we grow faster began to spark this idea with Randy and his leadership of maybe it's time to sell our company in order for us to go to the next level. And Phil I'm sure that's a tough choice. It is a tough choice. Matt, you know, when we model these decisions on spreadsheets and on paper, they look very objective. But the reality is that you've got a founder who has started her business or his business has put in emotional equity. It's been the thrill of their life. Their family's been invested also in terms of their life and also their money, and then you've got your team which shows up every day and if committed themselves, and that's their livelihood. And so now to take this. This great creation in handed over. Yes. Probably gonna make a nice cash deal. But that doesn't compensate for the emotional change that's required here. And that's what we want to focus on is the things that you don't really think about because in theory, all it is is just I built this company. Therefore, I sell transaction closed move on yet. There's so many more underlying layers with 'em making that decision. So we're going to talk about how to sell your successful start up. The first thing is when looking for a buyer. It's important to search for values of character. Not just values of cash, I cannot stress that enough value alignment that was something that we talked about for the very beginning as leadership team, and and for us that was going to come down to. Allow that was going to come down to the people that we'd be that would be working with. And because we were we were all very interested in staying on the team and being part of this of this new vision because we really had we really believed in the market opportunity really believed in our brands, and we have this as I mentioned early amazing group of people here that we had that we were working with. And we were just we were just all really happy with thrilled with where we were with our brands and the team. So we wanted to celebrate that. And then some of the other things we really we wanted. We wanted to partner with I wear experience we as I were only retail we only been in existence for a couple years. So it's not like we were at that point in time. I would describe our team as I were experts. We were spread across eight different brands. So we didn't. Really have the time to Bill expertise I wear so partnering with someone that they eats were. That's all they do twenty four seven three sixty five. Eat sleep and breathe. Eyewear was was one of the one of the things that we identified it would be really helpful to the team in company. Randy reminds us of a hidden truth about business, if we are only looking for profit our intentions were ill-founded from the start successful business has to serve something larger than money prophet is just an outcome. It is not a purpose. It is not a motivator. We have to solve big problems to be successful in business. That's why customers come to us and are willing to pay a high price for product. And so really it comes down to values and principles. That's what we're hearing here. And again, that's a message that's been reinforced a lot of our episodes, especially the one with Todd Brown who was. CEO Tom James suits who tomorrow's job and episode seventy four of talking about how you have to serve something larger than yourself. You have to serve something larger than your product. So once we find a buyer whose values align with our organizational values next as a leader, we need to mentally prepare ourselves for the day after the sale of talk to a number of entrepreneurs about their their mentality post transaction like the day after or the week after the month after what have you, and I picked a number of people's brains that have been through this process prior to the transaction closing. But in some cases, like a year before the transaction closed light. So I could start preparing mentally and just asking people. Hey, things professionally mentally that I should be thinking about and we didn't go into the process saying, hey, we have to sell the business. Now, we win in the processing if we Adelphi the right partner who's aligned with. With us on all these key areas values people vision, all the things we've talked about then we will partner with someone. And so some entrepreneurs share that they they woke up shortly after the transaction closed and felt completely different about their about the business. And they're standing in this now large organization the role, and then others share that it didn't really feel that much different to them. Then I'm then I'm really starting. My wheels are turning like, oh my gosh. What is that going to feel like for me? And for me personally, it did not feel really any different. And here's what I when. I when I woke up that that next morning it felt like businesses usual, and the only thing that guests felt a little bit different was that we knew there was this integration process was going to take place. And that was an unknown for me being an entrepreneur that was going through this process for the first time. So there was some uncertainty around that the I guess the other thing I would come in on is. It was good to get some time back because going through the process. The transaction process was very it was very intense from a time standpoint, and I had very little capacity to focus on the strategy and some of the other areas that that was more plugged into before the transaction process started. And I think this is an important thing. Randy brings up because a lot of professional athletes, at least the most successful athletes are always mentally rehearsing. They're putting themselves in the game before it even happens that way they can of take inventory of their emotions take inventory of the things are going to have to navigate through. So that way they're most prepared entering game day. And there was a BBC article with a sports psychologist on how athlete succeed, and I think it correlate beautifully with Randy's mental preparation and signed the company and talks about this. Cult mental rehearsal. This is where the performer pictures themselves actually, executing skill and practices the skill in their mind focusing on specific stages and just the correct technique. So for example, a trampoline may mentally rehearse a backwards somersault before performing the move or in this case what we're talking about. How your conversations with T Mogo putting yourself there? Or what emotions you're going to have to face the death of the sale or how you will feel letting go of that company. Matt let me offer. Maybe another example that resonates with our listeners, if you're a parent you find yourself naturally rehearsing big time in the life of your child, especially graduation when they go to college. And it's just something our brain naturally does a way to prepare ourselves for India. No chapter and beginning new, and I think what Randy understands is that that's as much an emotion. And psychological exercise as is an exercise in sign a contract and transferring money, so once we've mentally rehearsed the day after the sale and got ourselves prepared next. It's involving the leadership team from the start and through the whole process. Letting them be involved as much as they legally can. So the way the way that our leadership team decided to go about it was to was to to do it in in in phases in and bring in people bring people into the process starting with additional folks leadership team that needed to contribute in some way to the process. So we need to build we need to get Bill financial we need to get specific questions answered around marketing technology robbery actions, or what have you then we would pull this folks in and by the by the time of the acquisition occurred. We had brought. All of our leadership team into the process, but the rest of the team that the the the folks that were did not have a leadership position the company we did not announce it to them until the deal closed. The early involvement was critical so Matt Randy's insight infra sizes important point. When a founder is leading her organization or his organization through this big transition, she or he should not do it alone. Just like you need it surround yourself with smart people. When you grew the company, you also need surround yourself with same smart people in executing the cell, and that's a smart because if you have smart people telling you, what are possibilities, and what are possible mistakes, you're going to successfully guide your organization through this very very dramatic change. Another interesting thing too that I wanna add is as a leader it can be isolating. If you did it alone because you're the one that's wrestling with all these questions the bird in the weight figuring out how we're gonna get through this, and almost even just having someone that you can relate with and talk out, your heart or talk out your strategy to build the best like you said the best way that. As a team we can move forward. Right. And he want this heavy emotional burden of selling great company to be shared among those that were part of the growth process. This is what it means to be human. And in fact, your team wants to be part of that emotion. So finally, once we get our leadership in these meetings, and on board from the start as much as we legally can it's important for us to be open and honest with the whole company when the time comes to deliver the news internal communication was was one of my biggest challenges throughout the process. I'm over share historically, one click I have and I would say this for leadership team as whole we have aired on the side of sharing as much information. That's legally possible. So we share our share our financials each month still do down to how much cash in the Bank and we've done that for for several. Now because we think people we think that people will make better decisions if they have access more formation. But what if people start thinking that? Oh my gosh. My job could be in jeopardy or the company could could dramatically change strategy or what have you? We couldn't risk that type of disruption on the business and just having a negative impact on people's lives. Unnecessarily at that point in time. We just didn't think that was worth the risk. And that has been one of the most difficult things that I've ever done here as SEO because I wanted I just wanted to share with everyone, and and provide everyone update on on our progress, but we had multiple companies involved in the process, and and we just didn't feel like it would be fair to the team. And then as we started talking to two specific companies sharing that information we were under strict confidentiality agreements. Think. So when we when we did the all team announcement we as soon as that and that was ended up being about and forty five minutes or an hour, and we had a CUNY session that was really important to me. I made it I stress the team. Look put me on the hot see we try to -ticipant as many questions. I mean, we had a number of questions and answers on in the deck that I presented. So we tried to -ticipant as many questions we could as leadership team. But there were still questions that we didn't anticipate. But as you can imagine people receiving that sort of information for the first time, and then trying to articulate a question or thoughts around in public setting that was not easy to do. And we knew that it wouldn't be. And so what we did what we what we ended up doing was. We broke into small groups by department everyone ran off into their own private area with their leader. Who to your to your point was armed with all the information that I was they were educated on the transaction process. They had access to all information that could possibly have access to. And I think that made a real difference in people. I remember receiving feedback. There were a lot more questions in the small groups, then the the larger group, and I'm really happy with how that played out. Again. We're reminded that Celena company is an emotional experience for everybody involved. And when you're setting yourself up to communicate the transition to the larger organization, you have to put yourself in the position of your most junior employees because they're going to feel the most anxiety, and they're in many ways, you can have the most questions if you motivate your communication strategy from a perspective, of empathy, you're going to cover your basis, and you're gonna make sure that you communicate and you're gonna make sure that your strategy for communication is holistic and complete. And you're going to ensure the type of transparency that you want. Everybody knew organization to feel. I think it's interesting to from a leadership perspective, you only have so much time available to you throughout the day. And I think it this beautifully builds upon having your leadership involved early because Randy highlights that when he finally unveiled it to his entire company. They were selling he didn't have to carve out hundreds of hours of individual one on one meetings with the rest of the company he had his leadership team readily available with the exact same knowledge and with a better empathetic level because they have a relationship built that's stronger than what Randy could have with his most junior employees that they were able to help also lead in some of those tougher questions and in those tougher moments that reflects one of the principles of great executive leadership, great executives figure out how mull. Supply their presence through the members of their executive team, and they do it in fishing and quick manner where everybody's hearing the same thing. And that's exactly what Randy was talking about here. So let's recap as a small business finding its way. One click ventures realized there was more momentum and putting effort into the glasses world than there was trying to juggle six different brands upon a successful strategy. They reached a point where partnering with a bigger glasses company made the most sense if they were going to grow to the next level. So the tough decision was made to sell. I it's all about finding the right buyer with the same values your organization shares having the right company running your team comes with high responsibility on you the leader because your decision impacts. Everybody company that aligns with your values is so important because they become your new co workers next as a leader it's important to begin mentally preparing for the day after this. It's important to also understand that you're passing the reins of your organization to another leader for some. This is a tough process for others. It just businesses usual making these mental preparations help you lead yourself the right way. Which in turn helps you lead your whole team through this transition, then invite your leadership team in as many of these meetings, you're going to as legally possible arming your team members with the same knowledge. You have helps to answer questions. The entire company may have once announced the sale finally be open and honest when you inform the whole organization transparency is key. Because this is a delicate moment for everybody remember for many, this can become a massive shakeup in the organization questions. Like will. I lose my job. Are we in jeopardy? What's going to happen in the future? However with your leadership team well-equipped with knowledge once you inform your staff, they can now help lead their teams through the next steps, which in term frees you up to help build new vision for this incredible next chapter of company. This has been another episode of ROI podcast, presented by the Indiana University Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean, Phil Powell where we work hard help organizations. Make better business decisions. We'll see next week.

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How to lead your organization through this "trade war" | Ep. 79

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19:39 min | 2 years ago

How to lead your organization through this "trade war" | Ep. 79

"The. March. I is just around the corner, which means the US and China are supposed to reach a trade deal before the US imposes another round of tariff increases on Chinese goods coming into the United States back in December twenty eighteen both countries agreed to halt new tariffs for ninety days in order to allow time for negotiations with uncertainty. If both sides will reach a deal in time on this episode. We're sitting down with one of our Kelly experts, professor Dale Brown. Who's going to help us navigate our organizations through these choppy economic waters. Let's get to the podcast. Welcome to another episode of the ROI podcast presented by the Indian university Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean Phil Powell here on the show. We work hard to help organizations make better business decisions. So thank you so much for joining us today. If this is your first time listening, we just want to welcome you to the Kelly family. This weekly podcast. Focuses on interviews with thought leaders from the great state of Indiana. And around the US each episode offers three to five takeaways that can be applied to our leadership immediately. So help us help you if you're a leader trying to work through a major obstacle in your career or within your organization. Let us know you're not alone either. Because at some point we all have or we all will face the same challenges. So shoot us an Email to our ipod. That's R I P O D, UPI dot EDU. We'll anytime. We hear the word war. We know there are at least two parties engaging in some sort of conflict be at physical economic or emotional. It does not matter. What context war takes place? Here's the principle that always stands true war is costly for both sides. Whether your company is impacted by these tariffs, or you're just trying to stay prepared for the future. We're going to offer some points on how to successfully navigate your organization through this trade war. But I it's important to understand the role of tariffs inside a global economy. Pair of play a vital important part in international business. Most of countries that we do business with tariffs used earlier in the three to four percent rage for goods going out or coming in. But then sometimes you have those big gigantic tariffs like that. Trump administration has imposed. On China and some other countries in the steel industry in the aluminum industry with rains from ten fifteen twenty percent. And depending on if those terrorists are on the goods that are coming into your country. Then of course, that's not a good thing. Because that means that the companies receiving those goods are paying more money, which awesomely gets passed onto the consumer. You know, Matt, we know two things about tariffs. Their impact is complex and their consideration is controversial there are benefits to tariffs. You can use them to punish trading partners. If those trading partners are not protecting your actual property, or they're engaging in an unethical labour or environmental practices. If you're trading partners or imposing tariffs on you. It's a way to signal to them that they need to lower their tariffs. It's it could be a counterpunch. And also it can be a way to protect domestic industry. Whether that's protecting the loss of jobs or protecting certain industries for reasons of national security. There are rational reasons to argue in favor of tariffs at the same time. There's drawbacks. These drawbacks are reduced trade. If you impose tariffs pretty much, your trading partners are going to impose tariffs, which will hurt your businesses. It will hurt your exports and will hurt their exports. It also aggravates any tensions politically that our current in the international Rena, and it can make cooperation with your trading partner difficult on another issue in international relations and also tariffs lead to inflation their tax their tax on goods and services you buy from abroad, and at least increased prices, which leads to inflation. And so the benefits can be there. But the costs are also there too. So it's it's a really debate about the trade offs that tariffs create, and we could spend a lot more time getting into the theory of these tariffs or try to pick sides to the argument. However, whatever our thoughts or beliefs about tariffs, the reality is there in place at the moment, and as leaders, we still must make crucial leadership choices for organizations. So how do we work through these obstacles? How do we take these challenges and make better business decisions liquid with any major obstacle? It starts with taking more cautious outlook about the future for our companies. I don't think this trade war will go on forever. But for right now, you've got to deal with it. So that means you have just like we as consumers you're out of work because of the government short shutdown. What you gotta do. Do you got to tighten your Bill continued to work on being efficient in your operations continue to look at your turnover operations for cutting costs continue to stay competitive. So that you can offer your customers at competitive price for goods and services. So I think if you get to the end of town light, it's in tunnel again as you said, then we'll have an opportunity to kind of go back away. Things were clicking along just fi before we got into terrible. So our listeners may have heard a recent episode episode seventy seven or professor Kyle Anderson, and I offered economic forecasts for twenty nineteen part of our forecast was the impact of a trade war and history shows that a trade war in the short run leads to a contraction in economic activity. It leads to a slowdown. It leads to a slowdown because. Exports for both trading partners goes down, and it takes a long time to replace those exports. You would buy from the other country with your own domestic industry that just takes time. And in between you have a shortage of of goods and services that means the price goes up. So while we're in a trade war, while discussion of a trade war continues while negotiations continue with no fallback in terms of tariffs company should expect slower economic activity. They should expect a slower US economy, which means they should be more cautious. And how they look at the next six twelve or eighteen months again, I want to echo Daryl. This trade war will not go on forever. If this trade war does happen. It's a speed bump we all must hurdle. So in the meantime, along with embracing a cautious way of conducting business. We also need to embrace innovation and creativity in this. Season. And right now businesses have to decide do I want to continue to pass on these costs to consumer or their other countries. I can get those products goods and services from. So that's one way that you may be able to avoid tariffs. If you can't get product or service from China, then maybe you can get it from India or the European Union one of those countries anywhere else to help bring your costs back down her stabiliser costs. So you don't have to pass it onto the consumers. If you're a manager if you're an executive the world always throws you a curveball. These trade wars are a big curveball anytime something unexpected happens that has a negative impact on business. It's an opportunity to be creative. It's an opportunity to be innovative and entrepreneurial. And so with a trade war. It impacts supply chains a lot of our American companies source product or they source input from foreign companies. And if all of a sudden. Your product or your supply chain gets caught up in that trade war. Your prices are gonna go up you need to look for alternatives. Are there other countries in the world were perhaps you could source your inputs? Maybe there's a country. That's just an economic take-off that is newly industrializing where you might consider a brand new company a brand new provider for that resource or or or service. Also, can you make it internally? Are there American producers that you didn't know about that with a little a little bit relationship-building they could substitute from where you would otherwise be exporting. Your component business has to continue. Production has to continue you have to adjust your supply chain to continue to meet domestic demand for your product. Don't let the trade war paralyze your business because if you do that's a bad habit of just letting any unexpected events make you stop doing business, and that's just that's just not a winning strategy for any any manager Ernie executive a one of the things companies. I think did not react to their. External environment is Sears. And you can see how Sears is one hundred twenty five year old great company is just gone down down down down in you know, by then a year, maybe out of business bankrupt. Oughta gather. And they could have avoided that situation Headey reacted to the walmarts to the targets till the external environment to e commerce to things like that. But Sears didn't. They're the situation they aren't today. Because in Phil I love what you said about companies having to make decisions regardless of the situation on the environment. We find ourselves for example. Let's take a look at Sears Sears was a major retailer in fact in nineteen sixty nine they were the largest retail store and retailer in the entire world for years later, they even build a seer the Sears tower in Chicago, one of the iconic symbols of the city and leading up to the WalMart and Amazon era in the late nineties early two thousands their returns were fantastic. However, one thing that I think this quote sums it up. This is by Barbara Kahn, a professor of marketing at Warton school. She told CNN during a two thousand four interview, quote, WalMart came along with it's great service and low prices other retailers started to innovate more with products and services, Sears, KMart simply trudged along. And thought it was good enough, and quote here we find thinking it's good enough thinking it's going to pass sitting by being idle sometimes can be the beginning of the end for organization you met you write the lesson translates. You can't just sit idly by companies cannot sit idly by and just assume that the global economy is going to return to what it was before the election. Even if there's a change in administration, there's been a fundamental shift in the political perspective on trade, and there's more tolerance for tariffs. And there are huge reasons for that. And it's changes in the social and political landscape a lot of business faces disruption from technology that's going to change what successful Newmarket same thing. Here a lot of industries face political risk. And you can't just assume that though, those political arrangements that work to your favor or the make business easier. Always going to be in place. You have to adapt. If you do not adapt. A competitor will which means they'll still your market share and you'll become obsolete and you'll shrink and you'll bankrupt or be acquired. That's exactly what what's happening with once leviathans, Sears and KMart. And once we embrace the creativity and innovation. It's time to make a plan for multiple scenarios Zo as leaders you in your strategic planning, you know, this happens. So you're going to play plan B planning, right? If we don't have tariffs, high tariffs or tariff war than we can continue to go along this path if we have moderate amount of terrorists, then we'd take this path. If we have heavy duty tariffs then. Okay. We take this path. And we look at how we can cut back. Tighten her bell. Maybe not expand is fast as we were. And have that plan updated each and every year? Especially if you're shipping products in receiving products overseas, especially with China, and maybe some other countries. Seen it once before you can set yourself could it happen again? Let me be better prepared. If it does have you should have strategic plans. This is if we have a recession in this country, or you had an unknown competitor knocking your door you've got to be able to react to the external environment. This is important as the leader to remember that you're always reacting to the external environment, and how it affects you and your business. And if you do that, I think you'll be fine. You know, Matt Daryl's emphasizing timeless lesson. Plan your work in work. You plan. But plan for different types of work and different types of scenarios anticipate, what can be you know. If you make a plan when there is no storm, you will survive the storm. Those that plan for recessions, and it an accept the fact that they can occur we'll survive they have a fallback position. This is why it's important to think very long term to always have some cash reserves to always have a plan B, and that's the part of being doing businesses about being nimble. And if you're nimble, you can adapt you can pivot, and he can respond to whatever comes your way. It might not feel good. It might not be the best of times. But if your business you'll survive to prosper another day. And like I said before this trade war will not last forever. If it does occur the US and China are the two leading economic powerhouses of the world economy and should reach an agreement because both countries are feeling the economic strain caused by these tariffs. And when that happens the impact should be fairly immediate wouldn't take very long with take the with even take a couple of months. We went. Back to where we were. You could see it come down a pipeline pre fast pretty significantly usually when they impose tariffs it may be takes two or three months down the road to see all those increases same thing when they get rid of. You know? Although does that take as long, you can see the FEC a lot more immediately. You know, Matt Daryl's completely right? The stakes are too high for both China and the United States for this trade war to last forever. There's too much to lose what we're seeing right now is political instead of economic it's it's arm flexing. And the Trump administration has some legitimate complaints about fair access of US firms to our markets, the questions become how much will or how much endurance of short term pain can either China or the US withstand? It's kind of a game of political chicken. And it it Kerr's costs and managers and executives simply need to accept the reality of this manage to it in the short, medium run with the expectation and a plan that. At this too will pass that's the good news here, but managers executives should also see that this is a test of your -bility to breathe and flex and your business model, so that you can survive unexpected shocks. So let's recap tariffs are supposed to increase on imported goods from China. If United States and the Chinese governments do not make a deal by March first of this year already we have felt the pains from this trade war as both consumers and business leaders. But remembered China is also feeling the pain because like any war both sides pay a high price understanding, how tariffs impact the global economy both for the good and for the bad gives us the baseline insight. We need to lead ourselves, and our organization through these tough times, regardless of our beliefs or feelings on these trade sanctions, the reality is they exist. So we can either sit back and do nothing or we can make preparations to come out on top during these uncertain economic times as leaders we got lean toward a more cautious approach to our business decisions. This allows us to catch her breath and. See exactly what's in front of us. We also need to increase our creativity and innovation because our normal way of doing business is currently too expensive. Whether it's finding new supply chains looking internally for temporary cutbacks or maybe bringing some projects in house to help keep our consumers happy the goal is to make away for our organization. Just remember these trade wars will not go on forever. So we're engaging in temporary measures. It's the companies that don't adapt who find themselves in the back of the pack. Just like the Sears example. Finally, once we embrace new ways of conducting business, write it down take this time, while it's fresh to create robust strategies in the event this happens, again, just like we have plant A B and C when new companies entered the market or consumer base changes have a plan for if and when new tariffs are created and how your company will still function. Remember at the end of the day in organization. Is only as good as leaders leading the charge. So it's up to us to make sure we can push through these obstacles. This has been another episode of the ROI podcast, presented by the Indiana University Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean Philp hull where we work hard to help organizations. Make better business decisions. We'll see next week.

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Part Two: How to heal a broken organizational culture | Ep. 90

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19:42 min | 2 years ago

Part Two: How to heal a broken organizational culture | Ep. 90

"On this episode. We are continuing our conversation with Indian universities athletic director, Fred glass, who's taking us on his journey of healing hurting, organizational culture. Let's get to the podcast. Welcome to another episode of the ROI podcast presented by the Indian university Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean Phil Powell were our mission on the show is to help organizations make better business decisions. And if this is your first time listening, we just want to say, welcome to the Kelly family, and for everyone that's been rating our show sharing us on social media, telling your friends and family about our content. We're just so honored that you have found our content valuable, and that you're sharing it with other leaders around you for those of you who are wrestling with a question. Maybe you know of a great guest or you want give us some feedback. We'd love to hear from you. Shoot us in Email to ROI pod. That's ROI P OD at UPI dot EDU. So last week we started a conversation with us athletic director Fred glass who shared his unique journey on. How he went from a lawyer. To university sports. He also talked about the broken culture. He was walking into and how he needed to heal that organization. I before he could start implementing some changes he wanted to make. If you missed last week's episode a highly recommend you go back and listen because today, we are continuing. We're we're going to explore how Fred determines the right fit for his team both in athletics and on his staff, you know, Matt remembering the insights from our last episode. Fred mentioned the five priorities the five expectations for every student athlete and staff member on his team, including the coaches, the values are the foundation for everything from scintillating new talent to how each student athlete should leave the program and these five foundations were we play by the rules. We are well in mind body and spirit. We achieve academic. Kley? We excel athletically, and we want to be integrated with the university and be part of something bigger than ourselves. And it all starts with making sure you have the right people on the team. So how does Fred find the right administrative talent and coaches one of our maximizes you attract who you are. And I think that's part of the reason why it's really important to spend some time thinking about who are we that is what our values talk about them all the time self talk. And all that how you portray yourself. You know, that old Chinese saying about, you know, be careful your thoughts. They become your words. Give of your words. You know, they become your image become for your image. It comes your destiny or whatever it is. But the those things matter and how we present ourselves sets forth who's going to want to join us. And I tell our kids at this all the time if somebody's on a recruiting visit new out and party and all that, and you know, sports are second and. And having fun as first you're gonna get kids that wanna do that. Well, that's not really what we're about. I mean, it's really not at all what we're about. So we need to be careful how we portray ourselves. What we say about ourselves. More importantly, how we act because that creates our destiny of who's good want to be part of us. The other thing is that. One of our maxims. I guess is. You are what you tolerate and I think sometimes organizations can seduce themselves into thinking. Well, we're not really bad guys. But we got this bad guy on our team, and we're not going to get rid of him because maybe super productive have you seen his billings of you've seen a sales. You know, we're not we weren't. Or have you seen his wins in my world? And you've and you can't kid yourself that if you tolerate that then you are that. And we talk about that all the time in personnel decisions big and small this was really brought home to me when I was on the management committee at my law firm in Indianapolis, and we had this partner who was super productive kept a lot of people busy generate a lot of money. But he was a jerk. He treated the staff badly he treated his colleagues badly, and we kind of wrung our hands and finally said, we're gonna get rid of them, and then a legal partnership, that's hard. And we did. And our only regret was we hadn't done it sooner. It was a classic example of addition by subtraction. And I remember that a lot and unfortunately, I have a situ. Nation of taking coaches who were very successful here. But because of other behaviors they had I wasn't willing t- for their issues to be our issues. I I didn't want to become who they were. And we we, you know, went our separate ways here. Matt I want to echo a huge takeaway that Fred gives us. Yes. It's important understand you attract who you are. But even more I opening even more important is the following quote from Fred, you are what you tolerate when I heard that in the interview it gave me personal pause. And there's a lot of truth to it in many ways in terms of the way, the world sees you. You are to other people whatever the lowest common denominator is in your life because others are going to see your shortcomings the issues, you don't engage as you try to build an organization. And they're going to latch onto that. And judge you by that even though in your own head. You may be judging yourself by what you've done to get you to the top of the mountain. And so really what Fred tells us is don't be thinking about what has gotten to the top of the mountain think about what is holding other people back from the top of their own mountain interns. What you tolerate around you powerful. Powerful insight. You know, this also brings clarity. Because as Fred says, you can't forget to whom you're accountable. So so like when I was in when when I was in government, we always tried to focus on the fact that we were accountable to the taxpayers, and the broader citizenry, we weren't accountable to the general assembly. We weren't accountable to the architects and engineers that got their deals from the, you know, in dot or wherever we weren't accountable to the party apparatus, we weren't accountable to the the interest groups, we are ultimately account. Countable to the tax payers in general citizenry in that sound super basic and kinda, but but but if you've been in these agencies, it's surprise. It was surprising to me how much I perceived like initially I oversaw the department transportation. And I swear most the people in the transportation thought their customers were these architects and engineers and contractors, and I get it because they you know, did stuff and all that. But, but it's a different mindset. Thank no. It's the motoring public. It's not ABC contracting firm. And so for me in this job, you know, every fire the picture on their desk with mom and dad and their dog. And and and and all that, and that's good employees are critical, but but but my responsibilities the people out out there, the citizens of the state of Indiana are alumni ultimately the board and the president. And so you've got to get beyond thinking that you know, my job is to is preserved their job that was another crew. Crazy thing for me, kind of a mind. Shift their sort of this this thing and intercollegiate athletics. This cultural thing transcending institutions, I think were were career people feel like the leadership's got got a responsibility to help you get your next job super transitory people moving around all the time. And that drove me crazy. It's like I've no interest in preparing you for your next job. You know, if you do your job here super, well, you'll probably be a candidate for other jobs. I don't begrudge of that. And I hope you get one. But I'm not I'm not here to round out your portfolio. So you're more attractive to go somewhere else. And that was that was a little bit of a weird mindshift for me. I tell our people all the time your best professional development plan is to do the job. You have really really great. And then you'll be you'll be found. So once Fred has established his quote unquote line for his administrative team and coaching staff to not cross he then can turn his focus on recruiting student athletes. I think actually your listeners may be surprised. Know how much the coaches do know about these kids. You know, they they understand that you know, what they say. It's a lot more about the Janis Joe's than the Xs and os. So if they're going to be successful, they need to get, you know, good kids, and that's not only, you know, talented athletes, but but high character kids and mandate they really put them through the ringer. I've got you know, I was talking to our softball this previous softball coach. But she said she goes to games and she watches the kids play. But then she watches how they interact with their teammates. And she told me that if her dad carries her bat bag to the car, she quits recruiter because she just doesn't think she's humbled enough. You know, she's being she's being, you know, coddled, you know, and I've got a r our baseball coach said, you know, I asked kids what are their what are their ambitions, you know, for for college baseball. And if they don't say that they want to go to the major leagues, he quits recruiting them. So these guys do a deep dive. And who these these kids are what their character is how they interact with their families how they interact with their teammates because they're taking a big these scholarships are very, you know, precious and the reality is they've only got so much time to establish their program and have their program go where where where it goes? So there's there's both the altruistic factor of wanting to attract good kids, but the self interested factor of I had a friend of mine say well, Jeff small it at MS always says, you can't do good business with bad people. And I just don't think you can win with bad kids. So maybe in the short run maybe a little bit but not in a sustained way. So again, not because we're so great how short halo. But because it's in our self interest to attract good kids to this program. Fred leaves us. Another powerful insight here. Skill ability alone will not get an athlete onto Hoosier athletic team. Ability and skill must be backed up by strong personal character. That's what Fred insist upon. There's a translational lesson here for business as leaders the candidate that we wanna hire again is not about ability and skill. We want a candidate that matches the values that we're trying to build with an organization that's ultimately going to lead to our success and fulfilling our strategy. So we have to look through candidates through these lens. And we have to see in everything they do is there alignment with our values. What what's the candidate saying on social media? What are some creative ways? We can discover who they are. And what makes that person tick? Because again, we are what we tolerate and when somebody comes into an interview that's going to be hard to probe and find out therefore you had to put a lot of investment in the vetting process of your individuals. Just like Fred demands from his coaches, a very. Very broad vetting process for the athletes that come to Indiana University. And that is what differentiates is leadership as athletic director nationally. And it was what has gained him such great acclaim in the NC double A, you know, the challenge for Fred lies in the fact that every year a new class of athlete enters the programs. You're always recruiting new high school graduates and having to onboard them into this culture that demands of very high level of personal character. So if the question is how does Fred do this every year when he's on boarding new students. First of all, I think you're alluding to the fact of how challenging it is when you're almost starting over all the time, you got the steady stream of kids, but I'm here to tell you that's the best part because it's sort of like, this evergreen thing, you know, because they're always eighteen nineteen and twenty I feel like I'm not getting older either. Which of course, isn't the case. But in most situations, you're you're you're sort of personnel are growing old with you. But these guys aren't because they're constantly rotating through. And so I find it super invigorating always be around these young people, and these people are generally aren't very jaded, and they're very open to learning to be. That's the that's the best part. You know, when I when I meet with the kids or work with their student groups or go to practice or ride the bus with them, a ride the plane with them or have dinner with them on the road the coolest part of this job where I get where I get invigorated is interacting with these kids. But they're always they're always eighteen even though the ones that were eighteen when I started or twenty nine now, it's a cool part of it. I'm not sure I've got enough of a window to really see difference in ten years, no coaches that have brought her windows than than me will say. If he feel there's there's there's more entitlement. There's there's more expectation of you know, no-one why there's there's a feeling of. We'll just fix me. You know, it it's the it's the YouTube. You know, this around all this all this stuff, but it's a little bit the YouTube generation, it's like the the golf coaches Tommy other day that that this kid said, you know, I need to hit the ball straighter. And and he said, well, you know, you need to hit five hundred balls a morning, and you know, involvement he has no, no, no. I don't wanna do that. Just can you show me like video or something? Can you teach me? It's like don't look like, you don't read a map, you know. It's just like turn here. Turn here. Turn here. Turn here. You're there. And I think there's a little bit of that paint by numbers with his with his generation if you will that's like you don't get there by the hard work. The the Malcolm glad well ten thousand repetitions you look at a YouTube. Video of do it yourself, and all of a sudden you can hit that free throw or make that putter whatever it is. Yeah. Right. So with new classes coming to you every single year, what does Fred's assimilation process, look like for these incoming student athletes? We have a six week course that we teach internally that's mandatory for all incoming students freshmen or transfers where we spent a week on each one of the priorities and explain to them. What those what those really mean, including discussion of our overall spirit of Indiana twenty four sports team, which is those five priorities and a little more. So for example, one of the things we hold ourselves up to as an appreciation of Indiana University. And we address that both meetings of appreciation, right? So the gratitude of being here, and what it means. And why you should be appreciate that. But understanding to they need to know who Herman b wells was they need to know what the Kinsey institute means in terms of academic freedom. They need to know that Bill Garrett broke the color barrier. There's this certain components. That they need understand. What why believe Indiana University is special? So so we're very mindful that again, I'm not going to tell you every one of these kids comes out, you know, ready to be a in the chamber of commerce ri- you or anything like that. But but but they understand it's important. So even when as a leader, you do everything right to create a healthy culture. What happens when you have an individual? That's just not the right fit for your team. You don't have to go back and think well, he really stepping over the line. You set what all the lines are, you know, in order, and it really is that my tolerance is lowest at the high end of the of the values and go down we follow the rules. Now, we're gonna make mistakes I get that. But if you lie to me or cover up, you're you're done, you know, and there's a lot of, you know, skulls on the stakes at the village boundary that the other coaches know, if you lie to him even over something dumb. You're you're gonna get fired. You know, health and wellness be well in mind body and spirit if. Step over the line and try to tell the docks what to do or or or or or your, you know, abusive verbally or physically a kit. There's a there's a very short tolerance level for that. You're you're gone. You know, and and we're the athletic department, and I make them boats about I want to be excellent athletically, but it's only the fourth priority in the row. Now, there's people that meet all the top three. And if they're not winning over a long period of time, and the kids aren't having a good experience, then that can be the basis for your out to. I think the main thing is the first time an employee hears that they're making a cardinal sin. Can't be when you fire him. I just don't think that's right. So and I don't think I could sleep at night. Now, if I've had them where they just if they're lying or stealing. They don't deserve a warning shot. But on the on the on the on others that are maybe a little more amorphous. You gotta sit down and say, look, here's the. Line. You know, and and if you step over that line again, then you're done, I think you need to do that. And we have done that. And so a transgression that taken alone might not merit the death penalty. If it's after the lines clearly drawn, and they still step over the line. Then then I think at least as a leader I can feel comfortable that I gave the opportunity I made the right decision. You know, Matt interviewing Fred was absolutely inspirational. He's been in his job eleven years, and he was individual who is never an athletics. Coach or or worked in in college sports, and it was his value system and his working with his team to really build a newest free day core in the athletics department that has generated his success. If there's any example of values winning over. The day compared to skill an ability Fred's career embodies it because he didn't have any experience as a coach, but he quickly learns and a high level of emotional intelligence and a strong commitment to vary. Clear values has built one of the best organizations and in college athletics in terms of compliance with NCWA rules graduation rates and just a sense that the athletes are joining something bigger themselves. This has been another episode of the ROI podcast, presented by the Indiana University Kelley school of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside associate dean, Phil Powell where we work hard to help organizations. Make better business decisions. We will see you next week.

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Why these former NFL players chose to pursue an MBA | Ep. 104

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21:19 min | 2 years ago

Why these former NFL players chose to pursue an MBA | Ep. 104

"The experience of pushing yourself testing yourself of failing of succeeding building on that to the next is essential and I think that if you can take any opportunity that you have whether it's a positive or negative but grow from it learn from it and carry that experience into your next attempted what whatever you're going to do. I think it emboldens you say you know what it's not just about being the best is about striving to be the best welcome to another episode of the Roi podcast presented by the Indiana University Kelley School of Business <music>. I'm your host. Matt Martel joined by Teresa mackin my co worker and Assistant Director of Communications and media relations for Kelly here at up why our shows mission is to help organizations make better business decisions and before we jump to the content I just want to give a special welcome to our first time guests or joining us to thank you so much for finding our content valuable enough so to invest your time into this episode. If you enjoy the show we would love for you to rate and review review that just helps our show grow and if you have a question you're wrestling with as a leader if you need some advice on what to do as your organization is growing or you just simply want to recommend against for our show shoot us an email to Roi Pot. That's Roi P od at UPI DOT Edu. Will it's hard to believe the twenty nineteen nineteen. NFL season is here and we couldn't think of a better way to kick off the season than sit down with some former NFL players to discuss how the competition inside and teamwork of football relate with business acumen and even how they're trading in their shoulder pads for an MBA yeah we talked to former NFL all players who are part of a partnership between the NFL Players Association and the Kelley School of business the first former player is Lester archambault who played as a defensive end in the NFL for eleven seasons with the Packers Falcons and Broncos he's now the senior player director for the NFL Players Association or NFL PA.. Aw I think like most people in their career you reach a point and you say that you know how can add more value to myself and I really enjoy what I do and I felt like the the <hes> an MBA was the right thing to kind of give me another feather my cap to provide the education and the and the awareness that an MBA would would afford me so that I it'd be my job even better we also spoke with Andy Studebaker who played eight years in the NFL as a linebacker with the chiefs and the colts. He's a father of four and a player director director for the NFL Players Association and he's getting his MBA right now through the Kelly NFL PA partnership when you're playing football you're busy. Life is hectic. You're moving around the country and then all of a sudden your career is over and you've gained these skills. You have this network. You've met these amazing people. You have these sort of soft. The skills hard work teamwork delayed gratification preparation. You know the ability to endure pain in order to have you know long term success. Those are all really great skills. I think we learn football players. I think going leaving the game. I realized that those only are we're. GonNa take you so far. They're going to open a lot of doors. It's going to open a lot of opportunities up for you but you have to invest in some harder skills. Also you have to have some knowledge. You have to have something once you get in the door. You have to have something to help you. Differentiate yourself and I realized I was lacking that I really was you know and over the course of a decade technology has changed business has changed. The economy has changed the world has changed and I was sort of isolated in a in a world where football I was just doing football which had not really changed that much and so I I needed an extra set of skills to help me further my career so it's interesting to me about that the the concept of merging MBA training with NFL experience experience is that it wasn't all that different. I'll say this the NFL taught you to compete it taught you how to operate under stressful situations at Todd you had read people how to interact with. Oh this we're stressed out and kind of trying to get the best outta them right because the NFL I think is the ultimate team sport. It's also very cut throat <hes> and so that you you gotta manage emotions. You've gotta manage thought process when you translate that in the NBA and the NBA saying okay all these things that you learned as a a player how to compete strategy opponents preparation all those things they kind of formulated into a scientific thing that actually on the Education Front Framework Framework teaches you that okay. It's a verification of what you learned as a player. It does apply to the business world now but these are this is the language right instead of breath flat out physical competition. Now you're talking about a financial competition. You're talking about <hes> competition with other competitors the marketplace and how you can go about about frank framing those competitions into returns and then. I think that just equipped you really well for success in the Business World Lester completed his NBA through the Kelley School in two thousand eighteen. This program is really unique it offers. NFL players both former and current the opportunity to pursue Kelly graduate certificate or Kelly MSA or MBA degrees all online so specifically Lester says the management and strategy courses were really important where China sport you know the NFL that changes constantly rosters flip every about every three years even internally our staff turns the tend to turn over a little bit under action shifts so that will have different different programs or different motivations for different times. You've got a lockout or work stoppage or something like that right then. You've got smooth times where you're trying to develop programs so the ability to kind of manage change <hes> was really interesting to me and how that how that is also strategically done. It wasn't always easy for them. Andy didn't have much of a business background before this writing Andy. No I think I didn't have exposure to a lot of this stuff. I was not a business major in college. I was applied health science. I thought I was going to do the therapy. Route physical therapy and I had a minor in Spanish and so I really never took any business courses and so all of this is a little brand new for me so my learning my learning curve is a little little slower than most probably but I think what I what I enjoy most about. The coursework is that I think it's relevant. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it play out in my daily life. I'm starting to understand how businesses work how people make decisions and I think without that. I wouldn't be given that perspective. Kelly partnership with the NFL PA offers those current and former players the opportunity to pursue pursue that degree with other professionals not just other athletes. Andy says he brought unique skills from his background as an athlete to his teams in the Master's program learn from others in different fields certainly a diverse group of people you know some people are like me starting out some people this is their second third master's master's degree in some people have their PhD some our engineering and chemistry and I all over the place and you think wow this in that environment you learn the world is a very big place and and there's a lot of different opinions a lot of perspectives that are going to influence what we're about to learn and with without that you'd miss something. I think so the question is what can you bring into this group. I know what it is to work really hard. I know what it is to be evaluated. In front of millions of people scrutinized either good or bad. I can bring that to a group and say how can I add my experience to your masters in engineering or whatever it is you know and how can I add. How can I compliment that. How can your experience compliment what I'm GonNa. Bring in. That's where teams are formed and if you look at why I think athletes add are beneficial in these types of environments as they understand what team culture looks like not everybody's the quarterback. Some people just a role player and they have a specific skill set that really benefits the group and that's what we try. That's what I try to bring to each one of my groups. I fully admit I'm not the smartest one in each group at the same time. Find what you're good at excelling win it and try to complement those around you. I like to frame football as human high-performance business. That's what it is. I mean you're getting these athletes athletes. Who are you know bright athletic strong. They they know how to make their bodies do things at other people's. Can't they just flat out again and in business. It's not that different. I mean you talk about flexibility businesses being really important. Obviously in athletic is really important for a different reason but it's the same concept right. You want to keep your business flexible because you don't want to get hurt you don't WanNa downturn in the market. Actually Kill Your Business. You want to be able to shift gears and move in a different direction and those kinds of things really do parallel business to sport and I think think that you know players especially in today's world. They're getting exposed even more to how much entrepreneurs out there and how much sports actually does translate into business you look at all these athletes that are kind of doing that transition some while they're still playing but you look at that and I think it's a very encouraging thing because I think <hes> especially with the program Grandma Kelley you've now not only got an experienced from the NFL with her two years or ten years but you've got an ability to combine that with an educational experience. It's going to equip W to face all challenges business face just like you face them on the athletic. Here's the Faculty Chair of the Kelley School's executive degree programs Professor Rich Majorca Guca schedule that an NFL player has maintained from high school to college to the NFL people remark upon their schedules <hes> in terms of discipline and there's no question that the discipline is part of it but it's also working working towards a goal with others the discipline of working with others to reach a common goal is an a very important cornyn aspect of sort of the athletes regimen if you will and I think that that is a carryover when they are in some of the business courses courses that I teach part of the training of an athlete is that they have to learn how to improve and to learn how to improve is rooted in being able to accurately look at where you've fallen fallen short where you've had a failure and if you can't accurately diagnose what you're doing wrong it is very difficult to improve. I think that that is a trait a characteristic that athletes bring to their studies that are really really really very important to to stick out to me in regard to these conversations the parallels between sports and business in the takeaways from what they've learned during their time in the NFL NFL so lester went to the Super Bowl with the Falcons in nineteen ninety nine. They played the Denver Broncos but they lost he took us inside the tunnel with him as he he was watching the broncos celebrate their win and he talked about what he learned from that experience playing in the Super Bowl and being and literally literally sports largest stage was personally just a phenomenal experience <hes> but in the time you get caught up in it and for me as a player I wasn't about playing in the Super Bowl. It was playing the Denver Broncos. It was about winning a football game and doing everything that I personally could do right so I was actually on all share the personal experience I actually actually played a game out of a pretty bad injury two weeks earlier and so I wasn't necessarily a one hundred percent but literally I was going to give everything I had to to play in that game and out my team win man. We didn't win. We lost. They were the better team day. <hes> and literally. I was walking off the field and this has been a miserable bull experience. I was so angry and the whole thing but I stopped myself tunnel and I reflected back turn around and land I made myself watch the broncos as they've built the stage and they got up there and you look at it and say you know they were the pinnacle they had won the game and that's fantastic but the experience of being there the journey that had taken the the sixteen weeks of the NFL season the weeks an hours in Rehab for me to try and plan this game. You know all enabled me to have this phenomenal experience. Is that so very few people ever had and so. I think that <hes> like how's that how does that translate. How does it translate to rest of my life well. The experience dance of pushing yourself testing yourself of failing of succeeding building on that to the next is essential and I think that if you can take any opportunity that you have have whether it's a positive or a negative but grow from it learn from it and can carry that experience into your next attempted what whatever you're going to do. I think it emboldens golden you to say you know what it's not just about. Being the best is about striving to be the best in investing in yourself important your energies to achieve a goal and I think when you do that you find great satisfaction whether you actually ended up being the best or you just make yourself the best you can possibly be any also had some exciting stories stories to share from his first game in the NFL. He got two interceptions off steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger but here's the inside story about how those came to be so when you come in and you have immediate success. It's like you woke up on third base and thought you hit a triple okay. Let's look back at those two interceptions. Since you brought autumn up the first one I blew the coverage I was supposed to be covering. I think it was Heath Miller across the middle and he beat me across my face and given up got beat so if I were to give it up. I wouldn't have gotten to pick but the ball bounced off his chest. I ended up recovering because I didn't give up so it wasn't because I did something really superhuman. It's because I made a mistake and didn't quit because of a mistake number. Two an on edge rusher comes off the edge hits the quarterback as he's throwing the ball gets wobbly. Maybe I would have picked it. Maybe I wouldn't have but without that hit. The ball would have have certainly been coming a lot faster and maybe it wasn't even GonNa come my way so it took a team in order to make that play so to lessons. I learned from even that one game where I got all the credit was that one of those interceptions was from a mistake that I made the other one came because of someone else's efforts and is that not applicable in business us today right like how applicable that I may not understand everything we're doing but if I can lean on you were all going to achieve success together and so the even those little examples you know I think are beneficial for people when you're young and you have a lot of success. It's a terrible teacher feature early in my career having that success it was hard not to believe in your own hype and so putting your nose down and staying the course and continuing to just to just take one step at a time in your career. It's helpful helpful to have older mentors along the way who can remind you. You're never as good as you. Thank you are never as bad as you think you are and if you can believe that every single day in the NFL in business in school probably going to be okay back to finish off our conversations with Lester and Ian Rich we asked them to give us some advice for success that any business professional could implement and we wanted to start with professor Sir Rich Maduka. I have been the faculty chair of our online programs for twenty years now and students often and ask about what I have been able to learn by interacting with other students and seeing companies operate over these these two decades I don't have any pithy keys to success but I am struck how often when speaking to students students when look listening to leaders companies and also just thinking about how our own programs have unfolded that taking the chance to being in the game winds up having such a large influence on what actually occurs occurs the reason why so many people say being in the game is such an important part of this taking that chance is because you realize allies how often you were selected simply because you were one of the few people who put your hand up and and it wasn't because of some great insight that <hes> those who were selecting had it wasn't that they were looking for are something and they uncovered it within you. It often is just that you had a passion for for you seem to be capable and they said go for it. Let's say what you can do and you should never underestimate estimate that Matt Andy studebaker talked a lot about humility having the courage presence to know when you don't know everything it's easy to walk into a room and have a lot of confidence and assume that you're you're in a position that you're not. I think the number one key to success is to admit that you might not know everything everything and I have struggled with that in my own life personally right so I can speak from experience and I can also speak to where that is changing my perspective respective on that has helped out when you couple humility with an insatiable desire to compete and succeed. I think you can be really dynamic and where people struggle is. I think they have too much pride to admit that they might not know everything so they either don't start something and they stay way from an opportunity or they enter an opportunity and burn bridges all along the way if you can enter something new with humility and be willing to be vulnerable to fail and also have a desire to compete and to win. It's a really fine line to walk and if you're willing to walk it and stay the course. I think you'll have a really create opportunity in front of you a great experience in for less archambault. It's all about believing in yourself one of the best things about being a former. NFL Player player is having the ability to reflect on experience and pulling that into the next thing I do and I think that whether you're a football player or are you just a normal person person in the business world. There's certain attributes that just you have to rely on. You have to develop in yourself. I think one of those absolute fortitude and fortitude isn't just being big strong and simple. I don't mean like a physical challenge but most of life including the NFL it's a mental challenge and I think the the encouragement I would I would give to people is that belief believe in yourself is one of the strongest things on the planet and I think if you if you take your belief in yourself and apply it to any specific thing that it's it's GonNa Equip you to find success in football. We always say hey you can't be scared and we literally say scared. It was just kind of a funny funny term but the the idea it was that don't be afraid to fail and don't be afraid of success. Both things kind of carry weight our failure. Everybody thinks about being being a negative if thing but success can be really hard to sometimes because then the pressure's on and one of the things that we've always talked about and locker rooms like hey I do want to be the best at what I'm doing one right and everybody thinks about the Tom Brady's of the world. Jj Watt. You've got these guys that are superstars and they're really no different than everybody else. Maybe a little bigger stronger faster whatever but ultimately it's their will to succeed. That's made them as great as they are and I think that will exceed translates into the business world too. I think every every day students that are out there you you know it's not just about being a star athlete. It's about being a star where you are and if that's an accounting if that's in design if that's an engineering that's great but you gotTa have that belief in yourself and once you do when you really Jonah. I'll say like go all in with believe in yourself. You're GonNa find success of what you're striving to achieve this has in another episode of the Roi podcast presented by the Indiana University Kelley School of business. I'm your host Matt. Martel alongside Theresa mackin Assistant Director of Communications Educations being media relations for Kelly school here at we'll see next week yeah.

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5 proven tips for startup business success | Ep. 62

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5 proven tips for startup business success | Ep. 62

"Each company has a starting point no matter what organization. One person had an idea and turned into a success story. Some rose to the top while others fell into the shadows on this episode were sitting down with two onto preneurs who pulled back the curtain of their organization and gave us a front row seat into their startup process to help our new business become a legacy. Let's get to the podcast. Welcome to another episode of the ROI podcast presented by the Indian University School of business. I'm your host Matt Martel alongside the associate dean of academic programs. Mr. Phil Powell for those of you joining us for the first time. We just wanna say, welcome to the show. We put out a weekly episode that helps organizations make better business decisions. And if you could do is huge favor, we would be honored if you'd hit that subscribe. But that way you can get the latest content. The moment it's released. Also, if you would like for us to discuss a topic leave a comment were recommended, guess for our show, we would love to hear from you. Just send us an Email at ROI pod. That's r. i. p. o. d. at UP you I dot EDU again, that's r. i. p. o. d. at UP you, I dot EDU. All right. How many times have we had an idea and thought that could make a great business. Or how many times have we thought about branching off starting our own company? Well, for those of us who are looking where to start today's episode is for you. You know, Matt, I think those thoughts have run through every listeners mind. In many times, you get these ideas and they seem to basic and you say to yourself, of course, that's been done and you move on to something else yet. A lot of the time, those assumptions are misplaced. People may have the same thoughts, but they don't act upon them according to the bureau of labor statistics. The number of established companies less than one year old is the highest. It's been since the great recession of two thousand eight. The job creation. These companies create is increasing the represented a larger and larger share of our labor force, and we were seeing a lot more companies entering the market than exiting it's reflective of innovation. It reflective of the impact of new technologies and new processes on our. Economy according to the small business administration companies with fewer than five hundred employees provided sixty four percent of the new jobs in the economy, the numbers don't lie. So it's clear to see that these ideas that enter people's minds and that when those folks have the bravery to become an entrepreneur, an act upon those ideas, they create solutions to consumer problems which drives business growth, which drives prosperity in the US economy. So the question becomes, where do we start? How do we take this idea from conception to the market? We sat down with two bright minds at real Inc that's real why, and see a real time video platform that instantly connects real estate professionals with prospects to tour space co, founder and CEO, Matt, y, RIC and director of operations. Jordan easily took us through their hard-fought entrepreneurial journey. Here's Matt Weinrich. I knew alternately my end goal somewhere in my life would be to start a business have company on my own in. And so I was always thinking incident bits of ideas and opportunities and what I was moving from Purdue up to Chicago. I looked at over forty different places to live in person up there, six weekends in Rhode look at properties and half of them. I would walk in and turn around and walk out within seconds. I instantly knew I wasn't going to be living there very frustrating process broken process. And so I started looking at the process very critically of what could have been done differently. What I could have done had or used to streamline that. And it just so happened that may of two thousand eleven was when FaceTime came out. And so just of put together would've absolutely had my agent. Walked me through some of those properties virtually while sitting on campus Purdue and I could have knocked out half of my trips up to Chicago. So it was one of those what those light bulb moments where I saw gap in the market, saw an opportunity started shooting a few things around talk to some eight. Agents and brokers that were in my network already started asking them about this sort of experience with clients if they felt that pain point as an agent started talking to some of my friends on the consumer side of as well. And just identifying those initial triggers, is this an opportunity beyond just myself it's impacting our industry? Is this impacting just my demographic? How big is this? And how far does it go? And I kind of sat on the idea for a little bit for about two years while I was a consultant. And eventually I just saw that pain point iterative time and time again, especially as a consultant, we were traveling on the road Monday through Thursday, Monday through Friday, every single week for the job. One of the hardest things I saw my colleagues go through was trying to find a place to live because they couldn't physically be there. And so finally got to the point where I could not stop thinking about the idea. I knew that if. I tried to go go it alone. It probably wouldn't get to where it needed to be. So a work of started talking to one of my then colleagues on my now co founder of the business. He instantly clicked with the idea and we were in my apartment the next weekend, white boarding and figuring out the business plan for those unfamiliar with real Inc. Again, you spell that real Wyan c. this great startup provides live and edited real estate tours that's available through mobile device or computer. Basically, you can turn apartment or house anywhere in the world and apartment agent or real estate agent using their own phone can walk you through the property and the saves the client time and resources. Especially they live far away as mad. The CEO and co founder said the Genesis of this company started with Matt's annoyance. He was wanting to relocate to Chicago, this added miles to his car. It cost him time and money. And lots of frustration, trying to coordinate schedules. He found himself disappointed the whole process, and he thought there's got to be a better way, not even mitts. His business idea seems like something a million people could have thought of an started, but they didn't. He was annoyed with how he was shopping for housing. So he made a solution that's now become a successful business. So the first t takeaway, when bringing your business idea to life is embraced the reality that your idea is not to simple. The number one question I got when I was building this company was well, why wouldn't someone just pull out FaceTime and do FaceTime. It's a free solution. It's on their phone. All ready and the. That was a big. That was always a question in the back of my mind. Is there enough of an opportunity here that people will pay for it and pay for a built for real estate solution? There are so many, somebody constraints with FaceTime. It's only one to one. It's apple only as soon as it's done. It's gone. It's reliant on memory, all of our life tours saved or recorded to the cloud. And here's a big differentiator that sets Matt the CEO and co, founder of real Inc apart from any others. He was not discouraged by the fact that there was a simple solution that simple solution could have been. Why can't someone just use FaceTime in the moment to solve this issue? Matt saw business opportunity when if you jump on the video call, but then he went to watch later. FaceTime can solve that. What if anyone with any phone device could watch in real time? What if multiple people wanted to jump in on the same time and provide comment, basic FaceTime didn't provide that solution in these permutations of how this technology could be used. Used in this idea could be used was business model instead of letting others tell us why an idea won't work or why it's already been done. Matt shows us that that criticism or skepticism can be used to our advantage inside those pushback lie the keys of differentiation and differentiation leads to a successful business solution. The second takeaway to bring your business idea to life is to really take your time and do extensive research. One thing I do credit in those early early months was taking our time, so we took our time and I think one of our earliest investors actually our first investor in the business, he actually cut us a check, no strings attached before anything was really formed and gave us the advice of don't build anything. Go out, go to conferences, run focus groups. Just talk to your target audience before you build anything understand the personas, understand the needs and the opportunities. And so really, that's what we did. Did for the first ten twelve months before we even thought about building a product. We specked things out specked out what the product would be, what the messaging would be go to market strategy, all of that. But ultimately he was listening to the market and figuring out what this company needed to be to have a market market opportunity and a chance at surviving. And so once we got to a point where we were very confident in what we needed to build and what would drive value for customers. We brought on a technical technical member of the team built out and EP minimum viable product just enough to get in the hands of some test users and real, really hit the ground running from there. That was alternately what gave us comfort in knowing that there was a valid opportunity here focus on the customer focus on New York clients, your market, and listen. To them, they will show you the path that you need to be on. They will tell you what your product needs to be. What needs to do. Their opinion is ultimately the one that values most not even investors and all that. It's your customer. So you need to be listening to. We need to remember that creating a business takes a lot of time. We have to embrace that truth and feel comfortable with it. So if you're going to be in the trenches, for the long haul, we better make sure we know who we are reaching and more importantly, we want to know what the consumer really needs, not what we think they need. We need to put our ego to the side. We're here to serve the customer, not ourselves this part of forming your startup. For me, your business is like building the foundation of the house, though the aesthetics are not pleasing, nor does it show a homes character. But without that foundation, every piece of wood brick furnishings your curtains, everything falls apart like a house of cards and. A summer breeze. We cannot underestimate the step in the process of build the house nor in building a business. So once we embrace the idea that are is not too simple, then take extensive time to research. The third key takeaway for bringing our business idea to life is to drown out the noise. That was one thing early on in Chicago when we were starting our business that I felt like there was a lot of noise. I feel like there are a lot of people in Chicago in particular that we're playing startup that were playing entrepeneurship Zing clearly weren't going to go anywhere, but there are just so many vents so many places to be so many scenes v. in that ultimately was distraction early on, and that's quieter here in Indianapolis. They're still great ecosystems and meet ups in co, working spaces where you can be in community with those other people going through the same seasons, but it's focused on hard work. It's focused on results. It's focus on actually growing building that ultimately looking back, it just pulled us. Away from stuff that we could have been working on could have been doing good, been listening to the market and building product and things like that. We must stay grounded in the reality of what we need to deliver for our customer. Entrepreneurship is all about creative solution to a problem and delivering it through our enterprise. We cannot lose sight of that. There will be times throughout our entrepreneurs journey when we get distracted startup, hang out groups or investors trying to steer the direction, the company we need to listen, but we still need to stay focused. Even our closest advisors will offer solutions that will not work. We're not saying to avoid all these things or not listen or hide in a closet and that look at the sunlight and just focus on your product development. What we need to do is understand our why. Remember why we decided to start why the world needs our solution and why we are putting this much work into gambling on our passion and creating the solution are y become. Are anchor and protection. When the noise and distractions come are, why axes, a filter for every decision that we make Simon cynic offers an incredible Ted talk on this entitled, how great leaders inspire action. If you have not listened to it, we highly recommend it. So third, most watched Ted talk in history. So once we run out the noise around us and stay focused on our conceptual business idea. The fourth key takeaway to creating a successful startup is to hone in on a super specific market segment. At the beginning, we wasted a lot of time we, we were chasing every shiny object, and we didn't really hone in on a particular market, a particular segments where we may have been seen success, but we could also have success here. We also have success here and so that lack of focus early on probably held us. Back from some strong initial growth because we were all over the place, especially in the real estate industry where you've got commercial and multiple parts of commercial with retail industrial of that, you've got residential sales. You've got multifamily, student, living, senior living there. So many different segments of the real estate industry that our platform works perfectly for, but the all take different, go to market strategies. What really got us to where we are today was honing in on the product market fit where we had a true b. to b. opportunity and the product was proving successful quicker and Huntington on that success is really what's expanded our growth being very, very focused and understanding if I'm going to build a product, sometimes that paralysis that you mentioned Matt might come from. I'm trying to go after too many things all the ones. So by segmenting your market, you're gonna market one way to all of these people. It's not going to you're not gonna have the big. What is it total addressable market that numbers probably not gonna be as big if you hone in your your, your specific market segmentation, but you're going to be able to market to them. You're going to be able to speak their language in the sales process more effectively. You're going to build a product that is more specific to their use case. You're not going to be trying to build integrations with twenty different industries. You're going to be building for one, and you're going to be an expert in that. And once you own that one market segment, you can go to a peripheral segment where you can tweak a little bit of the marketing or the product or the sales process to fit that kind of adjacent market against. Got Maxwell highly recommend that because we are so passionate about our idea. We can easily think of a million ways why every individual and the planet could use our product yet. This is dangerous because the reality is our initial product only addresses the solution to a very specific market segment focusing on that group instead of focusing on the broader market. Like Matt Jordan said will allow us to master. Solution guide us where we need to expand and from those insights, we can deliberately broaden our markets. Okay. So we've gone through the process and now we are off the ground running as a business. Our idea is not to simple. We've taken time. We've done our research. We've silence the noise distractions around our organization, and we've identified and honed in on a super specific market segment. Now the fifth and final key, and I think most important takeaway to bring your business idea to life is to simply persevere hands down. The big lesson I've learned through all of this is perseverance. You mentioned the highs, the lows, the roller coaster. That is the oil journey in never ends no matter how good or how bad it is. It's going to get better and it's also going to get worse. It's never gonna change. The thing that I really see consistently time and time again in mid west built companies is hard. Penis and the value of actually providing value be investors in the mid west. They wanna see revenue. They wanna see companies that are growing with expanding contracts and not just fluff and word of mouth and promises. They won't results. This point about perseverance is the most simple, but most important insight for success for Matt and Jordan. When you study the most successful executive, the most successful business leaders, they pick a few things. They singularly focused on those things and they walk into work and they move the needle on those few things every day. They don't let anything distract them. They don't let anybody tell me, can't do it and importantly enough. They don't let themselves tell them not going to be successful. That's perseverance. And I love the point here that the mid west, this wonder. Full state of Indiana where the Kelley school of business is based in thrives. That work ethic is something that gives us grit, and it gives us that that willingness to follow through and be deliberate. So if you if our listeners remember anything from this podcast, it's all about perseverance. Don't let anything distract you ignore the shiny objects. So let's recap. Ideas can start from a million different problems for Matt. His was the annoyance of driving hundreds of miles to look at properties only to be disappointed. They may seem super basic, but we have to remember that are are not too simple. Once we walked that down in our minds, we need to turn criticism of why it won't work or why something already exists into questions are product could answer, look at the flaws to the current solution in the market and figure out how our idea could fix those issues. Secondly, it's extremely important to slow down and take our time by doing extensive market research from focus groups to meeting with industry professionals, take time to really know what the market needs. Third, once we start moving the ball down the field, we have to drown out the noise. Silence those distractions knowing why we're starting this business or idea helps to. Silence those annoyances, this can identify who to bring in and who to walk away from what conference or hang out groups to explore and which wants to pay no attention to. Because at the end of the day were trying to build a business and we dictate how it comes to fruition. Fourth, once we get our idea going, it's important to hone in on a super specific market segment. It's easy for us to answer why the whole world could use it. But the reality is the whole world is not ready for mastering how we market to a specific segment makes widening our reach a whole lot easier in the long run. And finally, the fifth and most important key takeaway to bringing your business to life is get ready to persevere. The entrepreneurial journey is a roller coaster. There's guaranteed to be highs and there's even more guaranteed to be lows. We wear many hats as the leaders and we will hit major set. Bax however, what separates companies who make it? And those that don't is the willingness to push through this will take years. Quite frankly, it will take the life of your organization because even well established companies still hit major setbacks. 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