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Democracy Now! 2018-11-23 Friday

"Today at democracy now exclusive where an occupied Western Sahara in Lyon. The capital of what many call Africa's last colony Morocco occupied Western Sahara, more than forty years ago and nineteen seventy five four days in Western Sahara. Africa's last colony. Some women. We're not backing off until we get our final victory and liberate. Our homeland beatings will not deter us from continuing the fight than even if we died. It would be a sacrifice. So that our sons and future generations can live in freedom that we've been denied of the match nuts in this special report democracy now breaks the media blockade and goes to occupied Western Sahara in the north west corner of Africa to documents, the Sahara decades, long struggle against Morocco's, violent occupation. I have adult as souvenirs old. So. That my father was keeping up and tortured. Then. But I take. That one day. I wouldn't be our feast. So. For the first time in years in December. The United Nations will sponsor talks between Morocco and supporters of Sahara independence, all that. And more coming up. This is democracy. Now democracy now dot org. The Warren peace report, I'm Amy Goodman today. Democracy now exclusive four days in Western Sahara. Africa's last colony. Western Saharan, were peaceful. Protesters led by women are beaten in the streets. Thousands have been tortured in prison killed and disappeared while resisting the Moroccan occupation them go saying bloody job right at my eye with his baton. I was yelling at him. Hey, you Moroccan. You pulled up my I we're natural resources are plunder from phosphates to fish. I say that are damn nation comes from the natural resources. We have here if it wasn't for these natural resources Morocco would never have invaded Western Sahara, buckles of suffer where a massive world divides people, the Sahara, we the native population denied a vote for self determination civic, Michelle if we don't speak out, especially us as victims who have suffered all of this. If we don't speak out and defend our cause this problem will remain. Western Sahara, the center of four decades long struggle for independence from Morocco. It's neighbor to the north Morocco has occupied territory since nineteen seventy five in defiance of the United Nations and the international community. The story of Western Sahara, is one of colonialism plunder and resistance. It's also a story rarely told the international media, and it's here in Western Sahara, where the scholar known Chomsky says the Arab spring I began in late two thousand ten before the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt. We're all courses came in destroy the ten cities lot of wound on and then it spread but the struggle in Western Sahara, dates back much longer for nearly a century. Western Sahara, was colonized by Spain. But the Spanish occupation ended in nineteen seventy five setting off a regional fight on October thirty first nineteen seventy-five both Morocco from the north and more attainable from the south invaded, Western Sahara, as Spain withdrew days after Moroccan troops, invaded King Hassan. The second ordered hundreds of thousands of Moroccan citizens to enter Western Sahara, and what became known as the green March Mauritania would withdraw less than four years later, but Morocco has remained to this day. Just days after the Moroccan invasion secretary of state Henry Kissinger privately toll. President Gerald Ford. He hoped for a quote rigged UN vote at the Security Council to confirm Morocco's claim over Western Sahara, about half of the Saharawi population fled, the invasion to neighboring algae area where they settled in refugee camps in the middle of the desert, the Moroccan, invasion, set off a sixteen year long war with the Sahara liberation movement known as the Pola sorrow front Morocco's army with the help of US military aid. Drove the police REO to Western Sahara's eastern desert Morocco, then created the world's longest minefield and built the second longest wall honor with the help of US weapons companies Northrop and Westinghouse the nearly seventeen hundred mile wall, divides Sahara's who remain under occupation. From those who fled into exile. The Moroccan government began decades of torture disappearances killings and repression. Against pro independence, Harare's living in the occupying territory in nineteen ninety one the UN sponsor to cease fire and promise a heroic referendum on self-determination organized by its peacekeeping mission known as manure so since then Morocco has blocked attempts to organize the vote and the UN Security Council has refused to implement its own referendum plan or allow manure. So to monitor the human rights situation in the territory today. No country recognizes Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara, one of the most inaccessible places in the world. And the international media has largely ignored the patient in part because Morocco has routinely blocked journalists from entering Western Sahara. But in late two thousand sixteen democracy now, successfully broke the news blockade, we were in Marrakech Morocco for the United Nations climate change conference with u n credentials and US passports. We decided to take a chance and attempt to do what? No foreign television crew has done in years report. From Africa's last colony. Goodness's democracy now, we've just landed in the capital of Western Saharan. Africa's last colony hoping to the port of occupied by for more than four years at the airports. Now, we'll see what. I'm speaking quietly on the plane because journalists even western journalists are rarely allowed into Western Sahara. We don't know if this is the moment will be turned back as so many others have been maybe it's the UN press badges around our necks. Maybe it's our US passports. Or maybe it's just that are arrival was so unexpected. But after a check of our documents and a few questions, we're wave through customs. Outside the airport. We climb into a car driven by Jamal our translator and guy. Nice to meet so who are the plain clothes officers at the airport. Those is to with you officers. Some of them belonged to different department Jamal says we've been observed by local police, the Moroccan secret service and intelligence agents felucca lightning. The airport is so growth villa nearby. This walk. We arrive at the hotel saw one knowing that the receptionist is obliged to inform the police of our presence. We check in quickly and immediately prepared to interview Sahara activists in one of our rooms. We don't know how many hours or minutes will have to record before the thirties arrive soon, a small contingent of Sahara's enters or first interview is with journalists Muhammed Myra he speaks in hushed tones about the torture and murder his family faced at the hands of the Moroccan afforest. He's my father was among. Four brothers were kidnapped Cleveland moral convicted the western south so was voiced in February twenty seventh TNC two six. That was two months. Was kidnapped and then they send him to succeed shelves. Well, known by the hall was added insult of Morocco. His spend one year and six months and was killed in to what kind of risk. Do you? Take speaking tool western journalists like me, I have. Adore thought as souvenirs old so old Halloween when she asked me to. About my father. So tell her that my father was getting up and tortured Dixit, but I tried to catch that one day. I wouldn't be our feast. Fate. So I'm always waiting. Why do you take that risk? Because I think these things. Detail freedom. The work of Muhammad Myra citizen journalist group, it keeps media is documented in the film, three stolen cameras. It shows the gruesome fate, the Sahara cameramen who was pushed off a rooftop by police after he was spotted filming a bloody crackdown on a peaceful protests. Nick in the full team bazillion, then he said the Kobe policemen had to me on the roof though. A huddle Aslan the huddle at ten what they said on the appeared and pushed me over the edge. As I fell down on the street. I broke my leg. Hurry. Other policemen drug me on the ground a bit further down the street a burning. The he pulled me over it. It was no accident licking the home, kiddo. Yes. Own. They wanted to the monster the power unsure what happens to those who try to break. The me locate how do. Sorry. Facing this kind of violence against those who document Morocco's crackdown on dissent. It's remarkable that these always were willing to speak with us. We also meet journalists high out Qatari Ken media operate here in Western Sahara. Can you have your own media? The mount of probably the colts who are very much harassed. The most recent episode was when my sister does holiday had her camera confiscated, and then they arrested her and she was brutally treated by the thirties over twenty four hours in the police station. Let's. Oh shouldn't said in the little at the. The. In kind of a part from when she was trying to videotape. A peaceful demonstration at the beach of food was the huddle via the from. It's now past midnight, not long after we finish. Our interviews. We get a phone call the hotel receptionist tells us the police are in the hotel lobby demanding to see us. We make our way downstairs to men in plain clothes. Tell us to sit down and worn us against reporting in Western Sahara, we go back upstairs. And soon after we learn pro-moroccan government website called Sahara, zoom had published. Details about our trip including information about the interviews. We had done in our hotel room that night. The message was clear, we're watching you. This is a democracy now special four days in Western Sahara. Africa's last colony. That's her always senior Meriem has son from her album lion on fire. This is a democracy now special four days in Western Sahara. Africa's last colony I'm Amy Goodman. It's day. Two of our trip to lie Lyon, the capital of Western Sahara, despite warnings against reporting from here, we set off for the offices of human rights group. We carry all our possessions with us, assuming or hotel rooms could be searched or we could be deported at a moment's notice. Everywhere we go, we're followed. We just left our hotel and a man with a motorcycle just outside as we came out. He started texting. And now he's a little bit behind us keeping a careful distance. We've got security on our tail we've made a right and left and a right. We've made a u-turn and man on a motorcycle is right behind. Everywhere we drive or the posters billboards. So the king that's the Moroccan king. King Muhammed this. We've arrived at the only Moroccan accepted nonprofit here and laying there's clearly security setting right next to the door and motorcyclists the so-called security is right behind this. The human rights organization has a long name ASPCA h stands for the Sahara association of victims of grave human rights violations. Committed by the Moroccan state, the walls of its office are lined with posters, and photographs showing the names and faces of the imprisoned the disappeared. The now dead. Melodia jimmy. My name is L Kalia Jimmy. I'm a former victim of forced disappearance. I'm the vice president of this association here. That's where we are. Right now. It's our association that traces the files of suffer disappearance victims. Was it could today November twentieth? Marks the anniversary of my forced disappearance, which took place in nineteen eighty-seven both money elbow. Illovo Jimmy describe what happened to you. You'll probably which is what happened to me happened to all the victims to slow was. So specifically the pictures that I saw from Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. They made me feel that I lived the same thing that I underwent the same conditions but in darkness at that time. There was nobody to take pictures of us. There is nobody to talk about us value Jimmy shows us her arm left scored after her captors unleashed a dog on her. I still bear the marks of the dog bites right here who did this to you deliberately be yo attitude. It was the Moroccan state, and the Moroccan police the secret police the same thing they did to me they did to my grandmother before in nineteen Eighty-four when she was kidnapped and so far we don't know anything about what happened to her. I was stripped naked completely up. She the worst part of the torture as a Muslim and an Arab is that I was stripped naked. Shelly I lost all my hair because of the chemicals they used on my head, which they left on me for two months and twenty seven days supposed to be doing a food Ghalia Jimmy sinks to the floor is she continues to describe her torture in Moroccan police custody you'd believe one of the torturers would put water onto my face, which was covered with a rag until I started us fixating. And then he would slap my face until I would breathe again spit us who are you saying they waterboarded you put. Yes, they poured water on my face until I s fixated, and then one of them who is at my feet would beat me with baton. Kief if you to fullish we've done in the same area, they had a small hole filled with water where they put me up to and then they would bring an electric generator. And they would electrocute me using that technique in my fingers and in my ears. Do they threaten me with rape to kill me with a pistol to the head and to brainwash me, you were tortured thirty years ago? Do you feel you are taking a risk when you speak out Kalinic ciphered? Could I am not afraid I took a vow that we have to talk about this issue. Could one sip Tissa? Michele Lynn, what enough Lula. And if we don't speak out, especially us as victims who have suffered all of this to we've yet it had image. If we don't speak out and defend our cause. This problem will remain the Hainault Kalymnos. Definite hasn't moved. We have wind into Mukasa Huffington learning. A little our interview is interrupted when our guy Jamaa receives an urgent phone call. We've been summoned to appear before the most powerful man in Lyon. We get back into our car and head for his residence. Once again, we're followed by a man on a motorcycle. Are we about to be deported? Time after time. Journalists are turned back as they try to enter Western Sahara, like twelve Spanish reporters deported from Lyons airport after their arrival in two thousand ten including the renown radio reporter unjust Barcelo. What about? You're gonna focus time. They turn us away. You should go and tell the story on air go insane today. We'll have tried it again. And today the Moroccans have such away again, and the Spanish journalist Bev. Not yet inspected all my gear cameras photographs and they made me a race photos that according to them were incriminating gaming though. Yes. And human rights observers are deported as well. Like European parliamentarian Willie Meyer Spanish lawmaker savvy air on a Norwegian delegation held on a bus and expelled in two thousand sixteen and many others all of them tried and failed to do what we had somehow managed to make it into Western Sahara to report on the occupant. To sit there the governor of Lyon, his name is Maha shop. His the Wadi actually recalling Wally much position to the government. His appointed by the king. The Wally is a Sahara and former member of the Pola sorrow front. He now works for the Moroccan monarchy. Overseeing security apparatus that seeks to crush, the Sahara independence movement. We arrive at his fortified compound and are escorted inside by armed guards. Afraid we're about to be expelled from the territory was. Let's go from inside the wall. He's residents were seated serve tea dates and nuts. As Wally toes us. No uncertain. Terms were not allowed to practice journalism in Western Sahara, if you have vision, I would be more. To provide this. Sickens position if I'm retired can even come to station in US and to do with into that. We'd be. But as as you have no authority despite the wellish warnings. I continue to question him. I quote from a Human Rights Watch report, titled keeping it secret about Morocco's efforts to block access to manure. So that's the UN mission for a referendum on the status of Western Sahara, nurses, staff. Members including military observers are subjected to constant surveillance by Morocco this and internal pressure from the nurse. Oh, made them reluctant even frightened to speak to our organization, which is Human Rights Watch except on the explicit condition of anonymity. Moroccan security forces. This is human rights Hugh below which is that the bible. No. But I'm are you are you. You know, I'm asking are you disagreeing with this? I disagree completely. They they say we'll confirm them. The. What what the hub suitable the other party Moroccan security forces tried to prevent Human Rights Watch from entering the UN headquarters stating that entry which forbidden to non manure so staff unless it had been cleared with local Moroccan authorities. First Moroccan, authorities harassment of Human Rights Watch as well as their strict surveillance of its activities in the organization's ability to conduct a thorough investigation of human rights. The visit just anything just to make things excite. Let me ask you another question, which is of concern to many people in the human rights community, which is the issue of the protests here being crackdown on and people being beaten or rested. If you keep about peaceful station. The Shiites people. And to give the Opie needs people got injured. So the people got injured people you we see but the use of. So you're saying people are not being hurt and the dentistry. Was hooked those decisions. Stations. It's completely. As I continued to press him on human rights. The Wally loses his temporary bookable books. About human rights human, even in the United States. Don't then you have the more one than million people living just in underground in New York and the eating rates and the. Less and when they are sick. They are eaten by the nuts. That Democrats who now you have to get on it in one everywhere. That's a very important point. That's I just wanted to see you because with that. We're just Smith's d- and warned against continuing to report from Western Sahara. During our discussion. The Walli repeatedly mentioned the close US Moroccan relationship which dates back to seventeen seventy seven. When Morocco became the first nation to recognize the United States, while the US has never recognized Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara. Washington has played a pivotal role insuring up Morocco's occupation. In addition to secretary of state Henry Kissinger, hoping for a rig vote at the United Nations Security council regarding Western Sahara, president Jimmy Carter State Department in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine gave two hundred million dollars to the US company Northrop page communications to build an intrusion detection system for the nearly seventeen hundred mile wall Morocco built in Western Sahara, which is lined with an estimated seven million landmines a year later Carter provided Morocco with two hundred thirty mil. Dollars in military aid. It's been a bipartisan affair ever since. King has on the second with President Reagan in nineteen eighty-two moral people, and I'm gonna can people will be ready always to mix their blood for the dignity of men majesty briefed me on the latest developments in his efforts to reach a peaceful settlement of the conflict in the Western Sahara, and I expressed my admirations for support after the Cold War ended Morocco became a key ally. In the so-called war on terror in two thousand four President George W Bush designated Morocco to be a major non-nato ally of the United States opening the door for more military deals. And the money has flowed. Both ways the state-owned Moroccan phosphate company OCP, which operates in Western Sahara, donated as much as twelve million dollars to the Clinton foundation prior to the two thousand sixteen election. And the Wally proudly pulled up a photo on his cell phone from January of nineteen Ninety-two showing Donald Trump is soon to be wife, Marla, Maples and Moroccan King Hassan the second at Trump's prime property the plaza hotel in New York. Jump forward. A quarter of a century to now. President Trump's disgraced Environmental Protection Agency administrator Scott Pruitt prior to his resignation. Pruitt took a controversial one hundred thousand dollar trip to Morocco in December of two thousand seventeen where he met with the head of Morocco state owned mining company. Pruitt's trip was arranged by a lobbyist Richard smocking who accompanied it and help set up meetings for him. As we drive through the streets of Lyon, everywhere are signs of occupation. The city was built up under Spain's fascist. Dictator Francisco Franco and has been occupied by Morocco since the mid seventies. We pass the United Nations manure so compound, we're just over two hundred UN peacekeepers, monitor the nineteen Ninety-one ceasefire between Morocco and the police REO but are legally prevented from intervening to stop human rights abuses. And we drive past the high walls of the notorious black prison, where generations of Sahara, always have been detained tortured and disappeared. One of them is a Harare independence activists Ahmad Hamad who welcomes us into his home over t he describes his torture at the hands of the Moroccan authorities during his years spent as a political prisoner kalimba the linked electrodes to my ears and something to my under and to my tongue and then the sensitive parts. Yelling when he could. If I was bone that. And when they use that manual generating I would hear it cranking little Manuel and in a small. Oh. Each time. They crank that generate up. I felt that my heart was going to burst oath of body. Monica jibbidy, the UN secretary general banking moon called the Moroccan presence in Western Sahara, innoculation. What was your response? You'll will be. Well, my answer is clear. We are people. We have a homeland. We have a culture we have all these things that cost the country. We are very different from the Moroccan impossible for us to be Moroccans. We have no common history. There's nothing that links us to them whatsoever. I say that are damnation comes from the natural resources. We have here if it wasn't for these natural resources Morocco would never have invaded Western Sahara with the sport of Spain. And. Few Western Sahara, is a territory rich in natural resources, which Morocco has exploited since the nineteen seventy five invasion, despite international court, rulings establishing that the kingdom has no sovereignty over the territory Morocco controls, the majority of the world's reserves of phosphates a mineral used in fertilizers that's critical to feed the world phosphate is transported more than sixty miles along the world's longest conveyor belt from mines in the desert to the port of Lyon, where it's loaded onto cargo ships bound for the US, Canada and countries around the world. Western Sahara's fishing waters are among the richest on earth supplying the European Union with much of its seafood foreign energy companies continue to explore for offshore oil. Even though the UN says, the prospecting, violates international law, even Western Sahara sand is so loaded onto ships bound for European resorts. A pair of recent rulings by Europe's highest court declared Western Sahara is not a part of Morocco, and that European Union trade deals cannot include products from the occupied. Territories ships carrying phosphates from Western Sahara, have been held up and ports and Panama and South Africa. After the poll a Saria challenged ownership of the cargo claiming it belongs to the Saharawi people. It's a Harare's are fighting the plunder through peaceful demonstrations and through the courts when they hold protests in their refugee camps in Algiers, thousands turn out to oppose foreign companies profiting from the occupation like the European oil and gas driller Sunley owned energy. But when Sarah always protest and occupied Western Sahara, they're routinely met with violence by Moroccan authorities. It's still day two of our trip to Western Sahara, as we cross town to meet with more Saharaui independence activists once again, we're followed by a man on a motorcycle. We arrive making our way past pro independence for Fiji and meet an icon of the Sahara resistance. So of Kaya drapes herself in the red white black and green flag of Western Sahara. Just holding this flag and public is enough to get an activist beaten and arrested height. My name is on a high. I was born under Moroccan role in the occupiers city booster as I live. Just like any other seraglio woman who subjected to torture, and beatings, and in my opinion, my case as milder than many other in two thousand seven so tunnel was peacefully protesting with fellow college students said university and Marquette Morocco when police surrounded her semi Annika may ninth was an anniversary that also always celebrate really hundred. Can we were a group of five hundred survive we students out? Gonna hey, you left the university campus marching peacefully waving flags and chanting. There are no alternatives to self determination of they'd have talked sealed off the street to noisy as tear-gas spreads. So Tana was beaten by police one of whom singled her out for more abuse. Often one of them recognize me any jabbed right at my eye with his baton when he did that I've been over, and I could feel my eyeball in my hand. I was yelling at him. Hey, you Morocchino pulled out. My I saw Tun ordeal. Continued in an ambulance as she was tortured on her way to the hospital continued where I I told him I had a hemorrhage in my he tried to put his finger into my eyes, and I didn't get any medical treatment till the next morning at eleven when a group of Moroccans came to be telling someone to so up, my I because when I was in the ambulance another woman was crying and telling me, you're is gone. They were trying to sell at my eyes. So other women could see it and think twice before getting involved in activism. They wanted to make an example of the come on. Do you have confidence that Western Sahara will become an independent nation kids, that's fishing because the determination of the people invincible what we've got his true. We've lost many men and women over this one day it shall be liberated go even losing her. I as not stopped sultana Kaya from continuing her protests for Western Saharan independence as we will witness for ourselves. Even during our short, stay in Western Sahara. This is democracy now special four days in Western Sahara, Africa, less common. This. Yeah. That's a heroic singer Meriem has son from her album lion on fire. This is a democracy now special for days in Western Sahara. Africa's last colony. On day three of our trip to lie. Yoon the capital of Western Sahara, we invite a Sahara, we activists to our hotel. How quota is stopped by the hotel's receptionist as he tries to enter she calls the thirties to report an unregistered visitor. Forbidding him from coming up stairs after we push hard and threaten to leave the hotel. She relents saying he could speak to us for five minutes. Kota arrives clutching a photo of his brother who was forcibly disappeared in nineteen ninety two. He's been searching for him ever since the who would canoe if you'll Seva this is my brother code who was abducted November seventh nineteen Ninety-two Moroccan plain clothes police at five in the morning to be busy didn't from crime. Walk for Canada. He was because of his involvement in the demonstration at the Najjar hotels, November sixth. They woke us up very early in the morning and the situation was very ugly to the top four plainclothes policemen came to our house, and they have -ducted him. Where was he taken two months in? Under the Makerfield in Michigan the information that we have is inconclusive because we didn't see anything in the rest of the people who are -ducted with them around five hundred people were blindfolded, my brother and our neighbor saw we don't know anything about them hundreds released, but about two hundred cubs there. She me seeing the alum way of how did half its disappearance effect, your family and the who would love him. It was a land mine that exploded within the family presence was the glue. The United us. And my father had diabetes because of the insults. You heard on Dave the abduction he became paralyzed and remained that way for the rest of his life. Whether the full tuten that my mother would not dare to enter the home again, and she stayed with other siblings for a year. How are your brothers and sisters affected by half its superior? It's a follow. They. Not food in deeply affected them and had a great impact on the motions because they're very young at the time witnessed all the atrocities related to doctrine, they've always had this fear inside of these bad memories. They've been left in the backs of the mines. Had a have any a cabinet? Support. Also, I was victim this too. Because when I was getting ready to go to Geneva to participate in the UN Human Rights Council. The confiscated my passports for five years couldn't recover. My passport often won't bottom of could've added won't call upon all the free world and all the people in the world to help us reveal the truth about my brother's whereabouts. Call upon the Moroccan government to reveal the fate of all of our sons. Shippen? On October, ninth two thousand ten tens of thousands of Sahara, always fed up with decades of occupation erected, large protests, encampment in the desert outside Lyon known as DEM the camp preceded the Arab spring and quickly grew to include whole families living among thousands of tents. This is human rights activists as forty laying out. The protesters demands. If you start your freedom of speech freedom to demonstrate the right to housing the right to work. Dollah legal context of the territories of Western Sahara, as Nana Thomas. Territories. All. Speaking unto Micra see now renown author and activist known Trump's game called the the day music uprising the start of the Arab spring. The current wave of protest actually began last November in Western Sahara, which is under Moroccan rule. Lifter brutal invasion it I'll keep Asian. We're gonna forces came in carried out destroyed the ten cities. A lot of killed wound on and then it spread November two thousand ten Rockin forces used tear gas clubs and water cannons. To force the protesters from their tents before firing live rounds and setting the camp on fire. The pulsar area says the raid killed thirty six people with many hundreds more injured rested, many were tortured in custody, including twenty three activists were accused of contributing to the violence. They were tried convicted and given harsh sentences in July of two thousand seventeen it was the latest chapter in a long history of repression against her always at the hands of Moroccan forces. Many of those detained were represented by the Sahara lawyer Muhammad the beep or Gabi, he's a former activist who disappeared in Moroccan prisons for sixteen years. He's also the brother of the recently deceased Pola Saria leader Mohammed Abdel Aziz air is one of just four Saharaui lawyers permitted by Morocco to try cases in court bought it, but the pod and woo to be the the first stage of the arrests were made there, and they were brutal beyond imagination before. And the Houston extensive number of strange tools for torture and beatings who fee about the home. Some of the prisoners were even forced and drink their own urine. They showed up before the interrogation judge covered in blood. Why was good day music? Such a turning point. What happened why were people protesting? Did they music kinda north has Dame as equals a turning point? Because it was a very genuine form of mass protests like Western Sahara, has never witnessed nor has the rest of the world audit. Some have called it. The first IRA spring before Tunisia and before Egypt. Non. Doing shook then had the kind of Kadena to La Belle out of. Yes. Without any doubt. This was the beginning of the Arab spring every media outlet after game you Zeke could only talk about how well organized well managed, and well prepared the protest in Western Sahara, was is. Is he? Facade. Gotta be woman from here at spread Tunisian. Egypt is to swim. And of course, when the American academic noted that this was the beginning of the spring. He was correct at olive gun. I'd also. After leaving Muhammed argue B's office, we drive to a restaurant near the airport for dinner as usual where followed. So we sat down here at a restaurant near the airport lay. We came into vast empty restaurants and within about fifteen minutes after we ordered about hundred mainly men some women dressed in traditional west Saharan. Dress carrying Moroccan flags all came in. And they sat down all around us one has an English sign. That says shame. I knew when our translator Jamal got up to see what was going on plainclothesmen. Not. Introducing dress came up to him and said, they wanna speak to Amy Goodman when we're done. Our car's been hemmed in by number of cars, and we also hear there was a protest in another part of the city where one of the people we interviewed was beaten up just own. Did something finishing and smarter. How are we talking about spitting? And he was bitching. Some of the people here came over very close to took pictures. We're eager to leave. So we can find out what happened to him. A and other protesters across town. But the moment we stand up. We're followed out of the restaurant by the crowd outdoors were surrounded on all sides and prevented from driving away. The pro Morocco protesters unfurled large custom banners printed on vinyl. Their starkly reminiscent of the banner photographed at a Moroccan state-sanctioned. Protest against UN secretary general BankE moon in March of two thousand sixteen after he used the word occupation back at the restaurant. One of the vinyl banners with red and black lettering has a photo of me interviewing Sahara, we activists with the caption. Shame on you. We're standing here outside of a restaurant that we came to near the airport in a group, but fifty sixty seventy people in the west to her address have. To send it on the restaurant carrying signs that say shame on you journalist person of Algiers area. Yes. For the American Moroccan, friendships and dismembering countries goes hand in hand with strengthening the ISIS. I thought we'd start by talking to one of the organizers who is freelance journalists who trained in Rhode Island. So if you could tell us your name, by the way, I'm one of those is so I'm just Wellington with the people might philosopher, always to talk to you about what they think of your visits on about issues related to the issue with us are, and how did you know that I was at this restaurant. You know, this is a small town and everybody knows everybody win liver for delegation comes to to the area. So everybody is aware of this Airways an empty restaurant. We just came in five minutes. This is the restaurant which is well known to the people on the for example, maybe one of my cousins. There with his immediately check way their head, and you're just setting sixty people in west center, people are gathering the Tove me to volunteer with them for the interpretation as we speak with Ashir die a number of men in plain clothes stand on the perimeter taking photos and video speaking on so phones, local activists would later identify some of them members of the Moroccan interior ministry, including at least one official who's been accused of torturing many Sahara, always said come when I'm been up to SOGA regional coordinator for the National Front for the defence of national integrity in Lyon. I came here to represent my organization to say that we saw always are in our territory, and we will do anything to defend. Right. But how did you know? I was here. We'll talk about because I'm always following the news. And this is something that concerns me. I'm required to know. This was I in the news at this restaurant. Now, as you know, this is normal. You're always aware of who comes to our territory when it comes to the national cause who told you that I was here. This is the main restaurant in my city. I came to visit it and suddenly I saw you. And you carry Moroccan flag with you everywhere you go. It's very customary to be giving out Moroccan flags and the restaurant. One. Of course, I'm representing an organization whose main goal is to defend the national interest. The flags are always in our homes. Always on our persons or flags are always reading. Thank God, always prepare a one person carrying all giving them out. No, we were basically helping him. Do you understand me? Some of us are responsible for the national flags. Others communication or work is always organized in ready. Own up. Now, it's getting dark. We're getting increasingly nervous. The sun sets on the restaurant on my as the pro Morocco. Protesters prevent us from leaving for over an hour. It's a clear effort to intimidate us. And to keep us away from the protests across town when we're finally able to escape Jamal receives a call a number of Sahara. We activists have been badly beaten. We race to the home where they're gathered to recover from their injuries inside. We find a number of women tending to an activist named Z's visa who's wreck Shing in vomiting from her injuries. Should she go to a hospital meds may go to hospital because they will not admit around. She's also scared to go that the activists have recorded video of their protests and subsequent beatings by Moroccan forces on cell phones and camcorders when our cameras couldn't capture citizen. Journalists could. We begin downloading their footage as activists Meena Bali describes what happened. So as the money because of your presence here we wanted to have a protest and show you how things are here how we are treated. Sentence that they've been it's been about two years since any journalists have access the territory. Out off navy Damon who became chanting slogans making peace signs with our fingers as usual, and then they intervened against the street. Via not MS Moore thought in if they were a large group, they pushed us into a narrow street. They took me one of them have my hair. And he started painting after wounded me here under my nose, grab my breasts and continued beating against the wall. What is he's? He's with any Struckmann the kidney hit her head against the wall. And then she fell on the ground at my feet Anglia's ammonia was being dragged there until ton of. I'm gonna go with the women to see their ruses. They're going to show me. And then we'll see what we can show the camera. We follow Tana Kaya into a small bedroom. She pulls back her Melva her traditional Sahara robe and shows me fresh bruises on her leg both arms and on her breast. So describe what happened to Monica to all of us were participating surveys in the peaceful demonstrations for right to self-determination, I was trying to gather my sisters for the protest of five o'clock in the whole area was besieged in any come Hossam. They were insulting us beating us dragging us and using violence to let us know that we weren't going to be able to protest they tried to single out and pushed us into narrow streets where they can beat us without anyone observing. The what you saw today is nothing compared to what we've witnessed over and over since nineteen seventy five, but the news never gets out. On the snack. Women. We're not backing off until we get our final victory and liberate our homeland almost beatings will not deter us from continuing the fight than even if we die. It will be a sacrifice. So that our sons and future generations can live in freedom that we've been denied Hurley any keep mashing nothing. How other Sahara's have been injured as well. My food left. Here shows us black and blue bruises on her arms. They hit me on the slapped me on the face and beat me underneath. My Kellyanne Germany pulls back her mouth to show us gruesome injuries, both her arms and both breasts are badly bruised like a number of these women. She's been sexually assaulted down your arm, your black and blue marks and on your breast right up to the nipple, the police grabbed her, and you see all of the marks of the black and blue marks in the red marks this very very old. But then enchanted once they intervene against us. One of them pulled in twisted me by my breasts, and I was screaming out loud. Hey, you're hurting my breasts, but he didn't care next. We meet the man who risked his safety to film. The assault on protesters from a nearby. Rooftop, Hammoud Lee is a citizen journalist with the group it keep media more more. Can you describe what you're watching here? Money had to go Leah's your money when a man in plainclothes pulling her into a narrow street where they could beat her up. Yeah. This street where they usually beat people has never been recorded before. May have seen force them here because they knew people were using their cameras to document everything on the mainstream. Full defending. I was lucky to get a clear shot at what was happening to mean about and as he's a beast. But unfortunately, this informer Saami and then notified all the others. Have. And then what happened? I tried to move to the next window out of sight. But my hiding place was revealed. And when you have more than moving when they saw me they tried to break down the door. They stormed the building. The house owner went outside and they beat him up. Minoza uncle I fled the house. I close the door to the rooftop and jump to another house to save the camera gear, and that was my exit. Why are you a media activist? Why do you video Renuka there early cousin his own because there's a total media blackout across the region. And there is no international media to cover everything. That's happened. Him and volunteers activists this is so we can transmit the suffering to the outside world through our cameras. Doc in the living room as easib easily has stopped vomiting from our injuries. And it's propped up on pillows. She's able to speak with us with her husband and teenage son sitting beside her. He started beating me up there and kicking my stomach then they tried to strangle me by my mouth. I felt something around my throat, and I couldn't breeze then I fainted. I don't remember anything. I just remember that I found myself here, you said they kicked you in your kidney who yes. And also the kicked me in my head which already had stitches from previous speeding and then kicked my ribs. And yet you still came out for another demonstration. Why is it so important to you a new book this very important for me because want liberation of my country because I want to live like other women in the world in freedom and to see my children and my country free. What are you calling for? And know, they call on the free world to help us free our country get liberated so that we can live our lives like normal women around the world that. That. After leaving the activists, we return to our hotel. It's Dr where certain we're under heavy surveillance. It was another new car. Awhile. Soon. There's a commotion outside our room on the boulevard the loan. Cars you're making u-turns outside of our hotel. Their drivers clearly alarmed over something happening further up the street Jamal gets a phone call from Muhammad Myra of a keep media. He describes the police violence. He's witnessing nearby. We climb a set of stairs to the hotel's rooftop. We spot protesters on a sidewalk below a few hundred feet away. They begin to scatter just as hotels nightmare demands. We leave or. We quietly descend in return to our room from our window. We spot about a dozen men throwing stones then turning and running away moments later police in riot gear. Right. Charging the protesters and throw in Bronx of their own. As the night wears on the confrontation between Sahara, we activists and the police wines down. We heard later there'd been arrests we spend our few remaining hours at the hotel taking precautions to protect the footage. We'd recorded over our trip to occupied Western Sahara, then make our way to the airport. Now will even the hotel. At the gate we'd pass through a final gauntlet of Moroccan mukhabarat door intelligence agents as we head to the plane. One of them says a hope you had a good time in Moroccan, Sahara, Moroccan, Sahara, the term the Moroccan government uses but no country in the world. Officially recognizes Morocco occupies, Western Sahara, Africa's last colony. For democracy. Now, I'm Amy Goodman with John Hamilton, Mike Burke, and Dennis Moines. So. This has been a democracy now special in December the United Nations host talks in Geneva between Morocco and the Sahara liberation movement known as the police REO front along with Al jeera and Martina though, be the first such talks since two thousand twelve four days in Western Sahara, Africa's last colony was directed by John Hamilton and produced with our news director, Mike Burke, and Dennis moynahan special. Thanks to me Cutty own. 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Border Wars 7 Texas Unguarded with Morocco Joe

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40:44 min | 1 year ago

Border Wars 7 Texas Unguarded with Morocco Joe

"Immature audiences the views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect. Anyway those are the podcast partners. Sponsors or affiliates enjoy hi this is Michael Buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready for boxing. Voice could've been anywhere in the world which would mean me. The EU announced you into the boxing voiced radio. Join US every Thursday and Sunday live at seven PM Eastern in time voice dot com. All right all right all right welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of unguarded. It is the Board Award series. We have our episode of unguarded where we sit down with one of our border wars fighters and get get to know a little bit more about them. kind of taking a page out of Andre Ward in tarrant Crawford's book today we will be featuring none other than new fighter wider introducing Morocco Joe so Morocco Joe men first things first. Where exactly are you from? I live in Virginia right now. But what My family's from Morocco Marrakech Morocco. You know The Element Virginia. Like the lesson part of Virginia right now. And what got get you into boxing. Overall all man when I was a kid man the seem her man. He's your many better. You'll see somebody make make us a lot on. TV knocking people out so it was definitely a worth to watch. I Love Lucy moment all right so that was when you were a kid. How old are you now? I'll I'll be thirty one on the fight day. I'm thirty right now. All right nice and young still gotcha youthfulness with through so what what's given you. I guess the gene motivation. Climb inside the ring Because it's easy to be on the outside telling fighters to do what you want them to do but to actually climb. I'm in there and do it yourself with what's giving you that courage. Maximum sound crazy but it supermax breath. I asked that's one of the reasons why I kinda wanted to lock them Muslim Just because man. I just wanted to reason to try it for real men. I like hitting people you know I might as well do it without getting going to jail or getting. Well yeah that's much reason to try and get off the couch. I work in an office so man I eat a lot of. Randy's Shit stop during the best way to do that is hit somebody in the face of the man. I definitely agree because if I don't gotTA fight. I will elite fast food every time girl wants so you right. So you're in West Virginia. Hello I'm never January. I'm doing the west part of it. Okay you're in so tell me Are there any local box gyms or you're going to be able to get some training. Also there's a there's a bunch most of his MMA though men around here Throw enhances likes tenure though Brussel. The hands are fine. I I know I know what I'm doing. Now wait a minute. You know what you're doing or are we Sandbagging supermax exor. Is it going to be an even fight. Because I don't want you in there were supermax and then you're all overly talented in in blowing out. The I wouldn't say that I wanted to say that man I never never fought like a sanctioned event or not like that you know what I'm saying so he got a one up on your on some experience but I've never been a stranger to fight on. I'm saying I'll look for trouble but I hope you find it fun to avoid Roy doing that and trying to grow the more positive way you know what I'm saying. Alright all right so well. What's your statistics highway? So I'M GONNA try to be at around two forty five fifty for the fight I'm about six hundred sixty one I'll ever reached though I think I definitely will have them on to reach mothers Kinda to move around a little bit job on the death through I don't want to give away to formula. But that's what I'm trying to do. I'm pretty sure I got by at least five or six inches honorees. Wow I got arms-length definitely definitely so now your original opponent was supposed to be a South Pole forty six year old guy. Six three two hundred lean lean pounds. That didn't happen when I'm still with if he wants to go after I'll fight supermax I mean you gotTa Win not to say the same about the same row UPI getting fight club for real. Well I'll tell you what he is going to be in the building watching closely is sounds like he might already have of another fight lineup with with DR Congo in the future. But that doesn't mean anything you know there's plenty of heavyweights and once you get this first one off the public is going to be action to see. You know. We'll see what happens right supermax at a lot of goals. I would say right like he had this four fight I plan and then boom. He got a drill so that kind of set him back. And now here you are. You're not part of his plan. So you just never know things change at the blink of an eye but I know that when I spoke to you you said you never sparred but you fight in the basement so you are like the true essence of Brad. Pitt's fight club. which is something? We'd like to talk about around here so talk to me a little bit about this fighting in the basement and how's how's it look. Walk me through that Los Angeles. That's going to be the best way but I mean we got three minutes. We tell each other heads. It's on looking at like seventy percent or eighty percent. Don't want to sign the hurt. Nobody you know what I'm saying so it's always been. I think the best way to say is like restricted. You no no one is throwing the right hand for real like that. You know like that's not the goal hurt nobody because we all phrase so it's not you know nobody's trying to hurt nobody. There's going to be a little bit different. I'm I'm apply one hundred. I'm trying to get knockout like I'm not trying to you. Know not get a knockout. I hear you man. I definitely definitely here you. Everybody wants to look their best. Specially now that we're giving out awards now You signed up warning supermax but you're a build on that a little bit like I watched the video of new talking about somebody pulling out or not. Be Prepare to fight supermax. He said that he was not going to have an opponent or something happen And then I posted on Youtube comment that I'll take you know I've been watching your show for a long time. I never really thought to get involved. You know but like my messy with respect for me respect and support a box in a lot of work so I wanted to go without a fight especially coming talk town. So I'm down to trade when a trade you know now for sure for sure. Yeah that's what I was just trying to you know. Get a an idea of of your reason behind choosing Supermax as your opponent because he had a lot of options you know. He likes to think of himself as the a side. Godley though right yeah. You don't WanNa be arturo guiding united saying but he wants to continue to be the a side man So thirty one got a great story. It sells itself man. It does this inspection a man who will lose God. It's it's it's definitely isn't enough to the is off the couch. Oh God for sure man So who's GONNA I guess. Take the role of training. You and are you bringing anyone with you to be in your corner now man Solo Barrowman. Okay Okay we'll definitely have some guys the corner I'm Sal and Eddie and even coach Midi have always helped out people. This is the reason why it's on the East Coast flight. I should have definitely do my hand. We all New Jersey. The distance sprays like it's hard for me to get somebody to come from out here in Virginia to all the way to Texas for the watch. The fight like that's crazy. You know what I'm saying just to be in my corner that's Ta you know and like the only person I will is probably my brother but he lives on the eastern Auto Virginia so he got at the compliment but further. You know so And they got jobs you know. I'm old Nelson. Old are hereby guy can't hold up their life just Get a corner May. Do you know what I'm saying is definitely like the real what it is like. I definitely use. What coach Anthony? I think yes. Yes yes we had him on the show. Saturday coach Anthony. He got a lot of footwork videos that I think because I thought originally I was gonNA fibrous already working like cutting off the ring sucker. I figured he would run away right away. That's a scary. nope I figured he would run away so I was kinda working on that but a a lot of the stuff he has miss this. I'll say anywhere not around here so Is Anyone Gonna be able to train you or do you go in there doing what you've been watching on TV and what you think boxers do in training camp. How do you prepare yourself for the next seven weeks? Really the only thing I know the right hand hurts a lot when it hit somebody so I'm only I'm really trying to work on his combinations and and really with the jets. I'm not trying to give the whole formula way on you know supermax by listen. I'm not trying to grow no run but My friends here. The whole miss form that we just bang you know obviously some footage data to Everything's in the basement man. We try to keep everything in house. I'm not we're trying to pay nobody to to make me work harder. That's not how life works so You're not paying. Somebody hit somebody. I know how to do that that for sure for sure. So using coach Anthony Videos You're definitely not going to get a trainer. Have you ever spar with the mouthpiece and hanging sir. Yes Sir Basement. Everything is like we go restricted headgear. Mouthpiece we all you know nobody trying to you know have a forty forty seven stitch cut on the side of their head while China and sell something of their job. You notice short short. So how many of these basements spar matches. You think you've got the Abell fifteen twenty. Whoa how long you guys been doing draw started for being drunk and just decided to fight because Raleigh boxing? I'm telling you I'm Jay experts so you guys do it lock you guys do it. While you're drunk sometimes. Yeah that's how it started an analysis. 'cause they're actually this. I'm the next video I'll send you is going to be a coach my. JV SPAR HE'S GONNA end up being on this bitch runnin. Running Shit against the wishes wait He could probably come he wants he. He's like he's overweight right now. He probably like ten to fifteen but he could probably be at like one seventy five one sixty destroyed guy. He's got he's got any background or just all natural school now man he just just rob athlete like when he was younger. He was really graphically so he got that high row. See there you go. That's the guy you need to come with you. I got a guy that just hit me. Up has one amateur amateur fight. And he wants to join. He wants to fight for this board awards. And he's he's one eighty one eighty five. He's in shape though he said the problem is the cost solutions restrictive man. It's because Texas swear to you on the east coast time around anyone is co we both in the truck. No questions assume. We're GONNA WANNA keep doing what we're doing trying to get everywhere we went to. La We were trying to get the vegas it all depends on how many people want to join is the only way that we can get a card together but Damn man you definitely Sound like one of those balls to the wall type of guys for sure man. I can't wait to get some some of this footage. I'll be bizarre. I can't man like I'm not trying to like down. Talk anybody anything like that. It's all about respect man. I got a lot of respect for anybody who's willing to a hit in. The face is different a lot of people that call in Talk Shit. I'll never coffee shop and listen to your show for like three years. I've never caught one time. 'cause it's like thank you you. You hit the nail on the head and said one of the Fighters fight talkers. Talk Man like and that's the reality of the situation so the only time I'm trying to show my face I'm not gonNA say nobody's a bomb. 'cause I you gotTa step into the ring right how you're gonNA say somebody's a bomb when you ain't gonNA rounds period so I definitely believe that you're a little bit a lot. More people come back to the east coast bring at least my voyage. AB with no question. Hey man you never know you might blow supermax out the water and people might want you to have that hometown fight Say that man. He's definitely got some scary. I'm not any hit like a mule breath the way your heart is so I'm ready for. I gotta hard. Hey so we'll see man we got some Unguarded questions from your fellow patriots. We Got Salvador the door. I says see no says just WANNA give a shout out to TV. Thanks for all the content. Well thank you Salvador. We got another one from Robert. Genius also bought awards participants. He'll be fighting thing. I won sixty eight versus machine gun. Matt who is the brother of your opponent Joseph Supermax so Rob Agena says. Do you still plan on fighting in in St beefs. Oh we're supposed to fight in st bees not maybe We had an opponent opponent told us about that thing he confused you arrive. Update your question. We got INFO Joe also a border wars opponent from la one of our our oldest participants to about fifty seven or fifty five. Hopefully fifty one does like I like I like Latte for sure man so he says what up Morocco. Joe Cool Name. What made you want to join board awards? Do Your friends and family support you. My mom thinks stupid things even like my whole family really like boxing man e and my grandma she really liked boxing to is just kind of how it is like they they know I liked to fight so might as well do it in a way. That's not going to get me in trouble. Plus I'm I'm thirty years old out here. May I can't be can't be out here in the street fighter. Nobody so mas look at the aggression out somewhere else families would it for the most part. My sister's a little bit wary. I got pictures. Mexicans only big. I'm therefore I'm never to smoke. I got a question I know you said you take care. That's USA approved. Yes he will say boxer. I'm going to send you a picture of what it looks like And you know these are the brands That I use like I I have ever less pretty cheap. Like fifty dollars on is a hag you but it's like it's not going to be. USA approved or whatever. I know that the reason we want. USA approved is because we can't can't have different headgear and also because some some some people had the bar other people had the ear protectors. So you know one man. We'll have more padding or protection than another one so we just try to keep a universal by everybody having having USA. Boxing approved one. Essential Six Everlasting USA. Boxing approved Wednesday. Those are cheek protectors ninety protected. Open face Even the train and runs all other work. USA Box and improve title also is a very cheap Distributor they they do USA. Boxing approve. And I mean everyone does but you gotta just make labels on there but I sent you that one and I the biggest thing. I was just worried about his vision. Like the head gear. I got the Vision on. It sucks so I'd like to early so I can kind of see this the what I can see you know. What does that make sense? I mean no no definitely understand what you're saying. But what kind of Hagan would you got cheap protectors or you got the bar. How how was your vision impaired to brush? I mean I can't think of the brand. I don't got all downstairs trying to walk down but yeah no. It doesn't have the bar or like a cage or whatever it comes with the cage but we took out early but it's like it's a cheek protector definitely but the vision is just terrible. Arable online vision. It's tough but it's Eh may based on pretty sure 'cause I was just like cheap to get you know what I mean so But the what I saw the picture you sent me is going to allow better than what I got. Caught those quick so I could get used to the vision for sure. I mean look worse case scenario. There's going to be plenty there if you want to save money. There's going to be plenty NIA fighters were USA. Boxing approved headgear. You personally use mines. I'll probably be fighting before you just so that I can Can you you know record and commented and things like that So you know you have a question about the record in life Just to show the people that don't have patriarch. Can the real copy of the shit right like like amp four. Whatever we don't do that we do only put it on Patriot and then release it when the next season in his out? But I I don't know I guess we could try. Try to do something for you figured out. Don't sweat it So we got Eddie autograph. Autograph signed Nevada is in Las. Vegas was my opponent he says. Give me your three fight plan if everything goes your way. Well if I knock out Superamerica America sometime good at you next. So that's two phase so then I guess as me and then a defense Rami whoever's next. ABC G. Man. Anybody can I feel like I'm not going to find out if I lose. That's the crazy part loss. Anybody who tell you. They never lost in the fight and never fought that much. It has the right person. I'm here so hard in my head. Just a star is everything so like. I'm not really worried about losing a linen But I definitely I'm GonNa make the next one and make the national regardless. I'll be in a minimum of three clunkers. It's just a great reason to train. Man This is something to do. You know like Bro. It is fun Bro and believe me of your boxing fan when you get together with twenty thirty forty boxing fans like real real boxing fans you the people that know boxing. We're GONNA WE GO E. Pizza because after the fight we definitely pig out so we go pizza. You got like twelve different conversations since you gotta table. There's fifty feet long. Everyone's talking in every conversation is is hot because everyone knows boxing. It's a lot of comedy it's like I really wish that everyone had and I and we're going to have to do what's that chat to start including the android people because we bill bonds in those chats with these people I mean fuck sows sows in fort once. But he's been in that chat three years so that's my man right all ready. You know what I mean you know. It's like crews like I know cruises wife is having a baby right now because he's in the taffer like four years or some some shit like that so we've just established these relationships is is all fun and Games. you see mov an aunt went at it and you know they back in a chat like like buddies and and and cruising you know aunt went added and me and whoever you know is is is boxing but we still have this family going on in there and UH yeah man is just just official. But I got a bunch of questions for you. Eric crews tried to offer you to I said cruise you Morocco Joe. He was talking about. He wanted to fight the heavyweight but he is having a baby in February so he decided not to fight he says Joe. Welcome to the border wars family. What are your goals for? This border wars other living getting the win. And what is your opinion about your opponents last fight so if I was it was a little bit while you know what what I'm saying wild but watch but Dan Lewis a light. It was action fight and I think he'd like to me like hands man and that's he's not going to be timber but I I think my main goal is to probably be is really just a drop about forty and then my eventual go to be around to twenty just in general like like Superman supermax is definitely just the reason to train man you know. Get off the main motivation but man looking looking at Supermac last fight man. Just I got to be ready for Unorthodox Angle of a right now. That's really all I'm looking at. You know worried about leaving my head a little bit. Plus I heard him say early on last radio show that he worked in really on his defense and not just a van archer. Oh God you know what I'm saying so I gotTa work on my accuracy a little bit but that it with the Movement I. I think we'll be able to get them. I mean the accuracy angles the movement. I think it will be able to go. I hope it's a knockout but I'll take a decision to I'm I'm just trying to win man. That's it man. Listen Floyd said at the best of win is a win is a win. Listen what is your plan to get the weight off. Because you're like to sixty five so you WANNA take off twenty five pounds or you're going to run. Do you. Like running Rodney. That's already Habash so I started training win. There was a discussion about bishop already. So I'm already like the. It shouldn't be hard man. Just my diet is really changed up. And that's another thing. This difficult is GonNa die for no reason. I know you bre with Uber. I want me some papa all edges. Good I'M A. I'm a red meat lovers so I'll fuck up some ribs so I do and I'm like you. I need a reason I need a reason. So I'm I'm very listen. I'm more oh I think I'm I'm I'm I'm one of the happiest guys so many heavyweights Asandra because at least that means I'll get a fight again and can continue to stay in shape because I like boxing. You know what I'm saying you ain't GonNa win them all but just just. The training aspect is fun being in that Jim too because my gym I got a couple of pros then in our big names. You know they don't have any any nationals. And I like that but they work in their way up in the conversations always. I like being in the gym. I get to see the spot Oren. My Gym is lucky enough. Every now and then we do get some pros like I have ran into the ADORNO brothers that are assigned top rank in my gym. I'm like I didn't even know that was them. Am until I seen him on TV. Like Oh shit. Coach T. those dudes are he's like you know because it was little as oh but yeah man so I i. I'm happy man. I like that I'm like you. I need a fight or else I'm GONNA eat fucking a snickers blizzard at Gary Gary Quinn ice cream ice cream extra snickers bra. I'm telling you right now if I didn't got no reason I'm I'm GonNa get fat Alma. Get fat that's but I mean you know also I think like it's Kinda strange but a lot of people who aren't really exposed to boxing like they think it's just I'm GonNa go like rough and rowdy and just go parts of you know what I'm saying that's not the goal is still a sport. You know what I'm saying. It's just like it's just like China. For trying to play soccer chocolate it's a camaraderie to realize it or not. Because you hit the person in front of you obviously which are both went through the bullshit of training both went through the bullshit of eating right now both went into the bullshit of running. You know what I'm saying so that it's a it's a bond. I know for a fact when somebody that you respect and you hit him in the face. It's a bond. That's a little bit different so it's about respecting about the sport minutes and as I wrote about fucking couch breath real. So that's the main motivation to rat all at a question Eh. Now absolutely man but once you get lean and trim believe me is going to change. The focus is going to change the winds and wins and wins Endo. It's always on the way we got higher sil- Who's going to be taking our Marvin for all the belts He says what's your mindset going. I'm in have you seen tape on your opponent. If so what's your thoughts. I mobile job. Get an angle the right hand. That's the only thing I'm trying to do. I mean ask my thoughts. Just duck duck out of my supermax with the super chat saying just hand us the two thousand Twenty Five Year award to us now the opera if he comes out there and he's ready to Bang and we were standing motoring. I'm not I'm going to stay in the mode right. It's just what she hit all the work now a garage the window and you just fighting right bang. I'm going to be ready to. Thanks now you do it in a basement. So how big is the room is obviously smaller than the ring. That's a fact. I like fighting in in a little bit of a phone booth. You're already well versed in Vienna. Gene inside fighter sat out the Santiago was going on my man shot out the James Toney road. That's that's associating suicide in our work. Jay Tony Building. All right. Let me see we got some more here. We got another one coming from Jordan Baker also but it was fighter in Florida. Florida Fort Myers says. What's the reason you started boxing? That's led a smart man against to get off the couch man. I'll tell you what I'm GonNa tell you the story about. Why really got stuck on this? Show Man So I'm listening to the show and it was. You might use going at it. I don't know really what what's going on. You'll have some real BC and coverage like the soundboard button automobile number that stay yea I remember I remember the sound bite. I remember that day so I remember episode and I've been listening for like six months or whatever already but I really wasn't you know super total day for Admiral off. These heavy looks like a week. Mike Doc was mia and then he came back. And I was like okay. It's all love is respect even though they talk awhile shit so a lot of a lot so That's really the aretha avocado boxes. John Magas funny so I figured I'd have to. I have to get involved somehow some way and I'm not too much. I'm not trying to call in every day and talk shit about people I never met. You know what I'm saying. That's not me now. That's that's funny man that that day. A lot of people talk about that day We got Sir Bishop which we've been saga amount. A heavyweight southpaw. Also Boorda was fighter. He'll be fighting on the next one. Says shot out to my man. Big Joe who was cooler than an eskimo question. How often do you and your buddies fight for fun down in the basement? I was a mark mark once every two weeks. Depends it depends man like it depends. You know who wants to smoke like it's really about that like whoever wants to get the kind of go from there. But as far as for this I have a set regimen of especially like just because I want to be as ready as possible because it was easy to try and buy yourself offensively but it's difficult to train defensively by yourself you know. It's hard to just keep slipping no punch matchy. You know what I'm saying so Probably forty or fifty. That's a video. It's the best way to school. Say Video At like forty fifty percent safely song get hurt before the fight the That'll probably be sending you that. I could say you wanted to be real now. That would be perfect man Definitely because you you got at least a whole fight of supermax ax. So he wants something on your daily Young Daniels. This says what level experience Do Border Wars fighters APP borrow fighters have all levels of experience we got amateurs with amateur fights an amateur wins and losses. We got semi pros pros. We have former pros and we have complete novice we match accordingly. This board awards is the biggest and Are you still there. Morocco Morocco thing. We lost them. Go go you all right. So yeah this. This border wars We we have about all the talent we can think of former pros semi pros amateurs damages. We have all that available this time so it's going to be one of the best. Boorda was remember we have The WBZ WBA champ camp. Three you know Marvin from Texas going to be making his first defence of those unified belts versus Iron Sal of California. We got Midi of the United Kingdom Kingdom taking on Elias of the. US A mini is a seven zero. MITYA's a semi pro with About seven eight five seven seven seven in one or he should be eight in one at this point would a title in white collar boxing. And he's going to be taking on Elias who has about seven amateur. US boxing fights and then we got done with three amateur boxing fights taking on former pro. Jd from Houston Texas axis and Jaydee had over ten pro fights. Then we got Robert. The Genius Second Fight Novice second second border wars fight novice versus Matt Second Border Wars Fight Novice Matt machine gun from Texas Texas brother of Supermax then we have Colin destroyer. This will be his second fight and he is a second fight novice and Jordan is Owen. Oh never fought before complete novice and then you have myself I have three border wars fights so three novice never an amateur a tra- fights or anything before that and Eddie is a five fight. USA Boxing Amateur. Who I will be taken on from Las Vegas? His amateur is your fights are a good ten years ago though so he has about five or six amateur fights then we have Who Else Southside Ducey Zeno amateur fights second fight novice but very skilled. WBZ TV champ. He's going to be taking on. Ambrose from Texas Zero Zero Fight Novice zero fight. KNOB is so Yeah Ah those are some of the fights on the card and those are some of the level of fighters that we have on the cards. I'm trying to connect back here with Morocco. Joe Joe you there all right. He's back. Yes yes yes Charleena Bro. No problem no problem. I took the time to give Answer that supercharged. He'd just wanted to know what's a semi pro so a semi pro. Oh is a guy that is fighting with no headgear under the lights. He sells tickets to his event but he is not a licensed boxer. Sir It's something that takes place in the United Kingdom. It's called white collar boxing. So Midi coach Midi fights in that they don't use headgear. They use US. You know. Eight ten ounce gloves and it's a real fucking pro fight there under the lights does you walk out with the DJ in the music and all that good should there's ring card girls and there's liquor in everything except you're not a pro so that's what is a semi pro and we definitely consider him a semi pro because We got a lot of his fights on our our paychecks and he fights at a high level without that headgear. So yeah getting back to you. Go Ahead Marco. Well what's a what's the difference. That's just alto to me. I mean he just didn't turn pro. He's not a pro. And the fight is very spiting. The fighters that he's fighting not pro. You know And that's just the difference. That's it but yeah. He's his brother if I could make the woods look as good as white collar bikes and we will be winning so that could be the fire plan. No seriously awesome wild dishes speaking into existence believe receiving. Hopefully that's the fire plan because if if you go on page on and watch his last fight in it does look like a profile in but it looks it. Looks like a bb King's fireeye because it's those type setups where the ring hiring is in the middle but you got the circle tables and you can buy that table and you got your liquor there. So it's you and your whole six seven exactly a club club environment club environment. But unless you're going to be honest it is more fun because you could buy standing seat and instead of sitting down on you you you know I love. BB King's in New York. I I love when Luda shows there if I can make it I go but let me see. We got some more questions for you. We got one one more coming from the newest border wars heavyweight. He will be in the building into watch. What's going on? He's twenty eight six three to ten he says and his name is Ralph from New Mexico. He says I'm with all the heavy way smoke. I WANNA title shot. I WanNa try to Shah And he says Hashtag boxing is art and has tag love him. So we'll be meeting Ralph for the first time. Listen IT'S GONNA you're gonNA retire me. It is what it is. You know what I'm saying I'm GONNA as either. It's either GonNa be you supermax or rail that so for me even bishop though Bishop. Don't you gotTA worry. I'm not I'm not worried about bull that's like that fight is that fight is already one. You know what I'm saying. I'm I'm thinking about CIA because I that's the you're known so maybe I'll stop thinking about you. I once I see fi but right I now statistically your six one you said six warriors six foot long reach less six one to forty you to sixty five. That's heavy that's inside work you know Then you got rail. He's twenty eight six three to ten. That's that's in shape. That's that's youthfulness. That means you know high level multiple punches and then we already seen what supermax brings to the table so you you know. Yeah I'm just I'm I'm I'm I'm not. I'm not disrespecting Eddie for you. Know Look Eddie I gotTA rematch clause. I'm not crazy you you got what what you are you ready her. He'll never let Aj's going to. If I would. I would I be better. Listen and you see Anthony Edwards from Queen City the Cobra. He ain't no more like a garden. Snake he was so tough he rematch. Yeah he was so tough. Rematch clause now look more than moved on. Didn't give them no rematch and his fight. And Sal. So yeah you gotta you gotta you gotTa dodger is and cross your t's as bro but believe me. It's not about what he is doing. What I'm this is a really good cam for me I'm even doing wage this camp something that I've never really been able to do while box and it was either one of the other because it's just so time consuming but yeah and I've been working man. I just been working so you know I'm actually one of those guys that Wants to look better like I want. I Don I look at my fight and I don't one look at my fights so I wanna be able to put a performance on that. I do WANNA rewatch my shit. You know what I mean. I feel proud of it. So I'm just workman recommend. I'm just working until then we'll see what it is. I'll get no sleep on boulevards. I'll sleep on. Hey Sally tally listen. Listen I'm just I'm just I'm just Got Me as the underdog and and that's the crazy thing you know. I get no respect and I'm like wow the bros.. Like everybody I fight is a bomb. Everybody that I fight is going to beat. That's how they got it before I fight him. Everybody's GonNa beat me after fight him. They bump so I just take a one day at a time shutout to build. Yeah Yeah Yeah Dasa Asa so Morocco Joe Man what you WanNa leave the Public Whitman. All the Patriarch Questions I mean what do you WanNa leave your opponent with really manages. Respect all the way around we'll lose Jocelyn every just a refi by heart train hard to me but that's really it may. I don't want anybody thinks it should is a fight. Not as a sport. I'M GONNA try to knock you out. It's still a show on love we know is that I saw. That's really it and like a lot of times it's not a it's not viewed that way and it should be make. I make sure you look at boxing in that light. You know you can't tell the people you want to go into the ring and Talk Shit. We like grab the MIC and call Eh. I don't approach it that way. Majesty's Take Your Business More study sport in Los Angeles and still fuck out. I'm not GonNa talk a whole bunch of sheets for sure for sure. Well there you have it ladies and gents Morocco Joe. He's going to be fighting on board awards. February worry twenty ninth in Dallas Texas versus supermax. WanNa thank everybody. The tuned in and stay okay to for the next episode of border wars unguarded as we still have a few other fighters to get to I see mission impossible in the trash. Shout out to you brother other. I might have five for you man. Hopefully you answer me back on instagram already. And you can let me know that fight weight because I got somebody that will do one seventy they ready to rock and roll. Ah but that'd be set as GTO INSTAGRAM and twitter Morocco. Any social media. And I guess I'll on here I don't I don't fuck with that. You all right but we could be expecting when the Patriots suspect that Sparring Shit GimMe Light because I'm out of town. Not Maybe this week sometime this week at Thursday they have ladies and gents. We're GONNA have awesome spinal miraculous. Joe Pretty similar chairs. All right brother will take it easy. Thank you so much there. You have reason Jen's that's border wars Remember February Twenty Ninth February twenty nine at Scotland down do say.

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Meryanne Loum-Martin: Building The First Black Woman-Owned Boutique Hotel in Marrakech

The Thought Card

22:43 min | 2 months ago

Meryanne Loum-Martin: Building The First Black Woman-Owned Boutique Hotel in Marrakech

"By ask rene the host of the purpose of money and daniel zere the host of the dot card millennia walked builders series where we share the stories of women of color building wealth. But this isn't your ordinary interview bay show throughout the series. You'll be hearing from women. Who are creatively secure in the bag. Backing coins what we mean. Welcome to another episode of millennia. Wealth builders a twelve part audio docu series highlighting women of color building wealth and like the other episodes in this series. This episode was recorded. Live on location in marrakech morocco. You may hear some distortion in the audio but we sincerely hope that this does not take away from the phenomenal story and tips shared after this episode. We encourage you to head over to our show notes for the link to a video of mary. Lou martines boutique hotel. We also encourage you to head back into the archives and listen to any of the other episodes in this series. You may have missed. At this point. There are seven other incredible episodes solicit you including investing in real estate with money. Down with sadness. Sabra wall and how women of color advance in the workplace with mend our hearts. Lastly if you enjoy these episodes please take a moment to leave us a rating and a review on your favorite podcast player. This would mean the world to acquaint. I and lets us know what you enjoy. And what you wanna hear more of on both the thought card podcast and the purpose of money podcast born in kota voire to a senegalese diplomat father and west indian lawyer. Mother mary ann lou. Martin spent her early childhood in coulter wa ghana london and moscow before settling in paris for eighty career in law. Then one day. She decided she wanted to re locate and be a hotel owner in marrakech. Morocco marianne owns and operates in eight acre boutique. Hotel names thomson in marrakech morocco. Twenty four rooms five swimming pools and acquai- surface tennis court. This oasis in morocco is one of the best places to relax inn visit. She's had the pleasure of famous guests as such as brad pitt tom. Cruise giorgio and donna karen. Stay at her hotel while recently. Visiting marrakech morocco. I had the pleasure of sitting down with mary. Ann and learning more about her life as a hotel owner guests that stay at her hotel gets a take in the rich global an african identity that she has incorporated across the resort to encourage visitors and guests to experience the culture and traditions of morocco. Maryanne first degree may have been in law but her heart has always been in architecture design and the arts. This is maryanne wealth-building story. Hello my name is maryanne. And you're listening to millennial wells builders so. I come from a family where we would never talk about money but we would talk about education and studies and the key to a good lifestyle like fortunately our parents were able to give us was to study. I mean this was the thing was it was not even questioned. It was obvious that we would go to university and have a good job and be independent as a woman i was. I never considered that. I would count of on the income of husband it. I was going to be feared us. Fiercely independent and i think this was my only connection to money because you know you study. You have a good job and you have money but this is not the purpose. The first thing is to develop your own personalities through education well first of all. I'm an accidental auto-pay. It was not an objective. I came to being a two year. Because i love design and architecture and i discovered morocco which was america. She's three hours flight. From where i'm from paris lawyer and and i designed to house and then i had to get an income out of it so by default it became a hospitality project. And then to my own. How you say to my own amazement. It became a project where everybody wanted to go so sings lead to another but it was not really planned. I never wanted to go to hospitality school. I never wanted to be you know today. But i'm passionate about design and then i need to have an income so i turn my design into the hospitality project. Well you know. I grew up in paris. And i was always the only black person everywhere so Being in america. It's different. Because not only i was the only one. But i'm the first one because when i had the idea to do my first project in the eighties there was absolutely no bucci. Cosmetology s you only had big hotels. So i i had the idea to design place which would cater to the needs of the people i knew and the marketing was very spontaneous because the people i knew were all complaining about the way they were Spending their holidays they hated big hotels. They hate to rentals where there was no service. No staff no nice cutlery. whatever So i decided to create a concept of rental which would bring in the five star service. Budget would be an exclusive rental and it the success when beyond my dreams and then once led to another and i ended up doing a boutique hotel years later. But i have to say that. It was not premeditated at all and because it was not premeditated. I think it was a spontaneous niche market and this niche market continues to exist. Because what we were doing was connecting people to culture to the local culture. We had historians coming to explain them the history of the city. We had artists coming to speak to them. And this is what. I'm interested in doing. It is creating a link to the reality of the country so the tourist is not in juxtaposition. Just just put their and then going back home. He is included in. What makes the city so special. I once read an article where you said. Wealth is in our culture in our differences in. That's what makes us all special. What did you mean by that. How is culture. Well well you see so. I moved black. Woman of west indian senegalese descent but tutti parisian at the same time. And i always an all the other people i meet. Who are looking like me. Whether they're american or from africa. What i signed. Quite remarkable is that education is western. Education was designed for white people and by white people. So all of the entrepreneur's the people i meet whence through this education each means that they have mastered what whites occidental education is about and not only they go through that and the achieve and they had good degrees but on top the bringing their own individuality bring in their culture and this is what i think. It's a big wells because you have many layers. You know. When i think about a project i think about creating a hotel i think about all sorts of things which come from western values but then i think about what expected to be and what i expected to be is the essence of culture the essence of diversity. And i think this is where the wealth is because without making any effort we bring something different because all of the western values what we had to learn to go through to school but in top we bring our own personality. What can guess expect when they stay at john cena so what they can expect. Is that you know so. We have twenty four rooms. You might have super famous people. Who are there tutti anonymously mix with people who have been may be saving for years to go holidays but what they have in common is at. The light are kind of lifestyle. And there's nothing more you know. I would say fulfilling for me. Because i know my guest because many of them are repeat guests to see so. There's nothing more fulfilling for me than to see. All these people who in fact are coming from often different backgrounds. Just bland into the kind of house party of the property where everybody has their own space on but when they come out in communal areas for drinks it looks like if they were invited at trends for drinks or dinner and what they can expect is a staff who has been here for twenty years who is professional and taking good care of the guest without being overly friendly where they can expect is organic food because we grown food hotel which looks like a house with books and magazines and scented candles and flowers and You know vegetables picked the morning for lunch or dinner. It's a whole lifestyle which we have designed the way we like to live ourselves sell. Tell me more about actually building a whole tau. How long did it take. What some of the challenges that you face well. I think that he's a bad example here. Because i built this place in eleven months and three weeks from scratch and it's like unusual. We had this learned which had only a few palm trees. And i had accepted clients before building the place because i sorta had eighteen months ahead of me and things happen in live. Planning consent took more time and then the contractor. I was planning to work with. Went bankrupt and i had to look for another one and then ramadan starch tonight. Didn't want to put too much pressure on workers where fasting. We broke ground on january. Six two thousand one and the guests. We're coming twenty seven of december of the same year and we were ready. So why were we ready. Is that because. I never change my mind on any thing. I had designed all the blueprints. And i knew that this room was being to be blue and it was going to have this kind of art and this kind of curtains and he's kind of bedspread and this other room was going to be green and have that that that so because ever seen was very well organized in my mind we could go very fast everything which is conceptual i did myself and then i had people working for me but no one gave any idea because you need one captured on the boat because it's a small it's a small scale place twenty four rooms. If i was working on an eight hundred bedroom hotel would be a team but because it's a small place and i wanted it to look like a house. I was the only captain on the boat for the interiors and my husband designed the garden. How are you choosing to build wealth. Do you invest any other than hotels or real estate. Not really because. I think that both hotel in real estate specially hospitality. I would say are fulfilling the my needs of doing things which can turn into sustainable growth other people. What i'm really interested in doing is using in quote luxury to interrupt the cycle of poverty and the problem is that for many years first of all very often luxury is just investors. Who don't have the same concern that i have. You know. I come from five generations of sts and as lawyer. I had pro bono cases where i could fulfill this need of being useful and through hospitality. I have the possibility of creating jobs in a creative and sustainable way for people who have not had the chance to go to western schools not even arabic schools because the people. I'm working with a new projects. They don't know how to read and write in arabic own language but they have gold in their hands. In the sense of the men know how to farm organically because this is they never had access to these chemicals. And the women know how to leave and do textiles and embroideries and what is missing for the women is the connection to an international market and understanding the taste of this international market so they can create products. Which have the clientele. And i understand the taste of this international market. So what i want to do. Is that for my new projects. We have collections off home accessories and len's and a lot of things that can be produced in the communities around the land where the hotel will be and that it gives a permanent source of income to women because not only we will have the collection of the hotels produced but there will be some real estate and houses to furnish and then we hope that they will start doing their own company and that hopefully their children who might not have gone to school very much but are all like computer genius will be able to manage the family business so this is what i really wanted to spend a lot of time doing from now on. What do you want to be most remembered for. What is going to be your legacy. Cnn said that. I was the first one to do this. And this wall street journal said that i was. I went to understand the expectation of the western society about travelling. So what. I would like to be remembered for. Is someone who have used luxury as an agent of change four people who didn't have opportunities in their life before his really what i would like to be remembered for because you know you have. Hospitality is about luxury experience. Bucci costs pathologies about experience. Very much but experienced cannot happen in atlantic way if it's not connected to the culture of the place and the culture of the place the custodians are people who very often did not have the opportunity to go to school so what i'm interested is creating an ecosystem where tourism will not be any more something totally superficial where people fly in fly out and what this report is just the salaries of someone working in a hotel but if this person has an accident or lose his job he's families left as nothing. What i'm interested is in creating permanent and sustainable opportunities for all the people revolving around the experience that tourists have have you ever been asked to be a mentor to other women who want to create their own hotel brands. Well i'm regularly contracted by people who want to create their own boutique hotel and i have to say that. I realize that. I've been very lucky. And what i did. Because i'm probably the only black person who wants to country which is not her as she doesn't speak the language and i was a i was building. You know it's not like if i was investing in a place but managed. I was building designing then. Managing i was doing the whole thing from a to z so in an in a country where you know it's on my country and i don't speak arabic so my experience is very different from what other people could have. But every time i'm conducted and it's quite often the case by young women who said oh i read about you. I'm dreaming to have a. She could would you suggest. And i always say what you do now. Have you evaluate evaluate the risk. You know i was a lawyer in paris you've ever seen went wrong. I could have gone back to being a lawyer in paris. It's there was a risk for sure but it was what these women are telling me like. They're ready to abandon everything to do. This and i always tell them well. Have you evaluated the risk. And when i started there was no social media for example. So i always tell them. What about checking on instagram. If people like what you do why don't you create a virtual place a virtual brand with very strong sense of style and what you want to achieve and see how many followers real ones you can get an engage with because maybe the day you have a lot of followers because they like what you are creating virtually you could go and speak to investors. This is what i did out of nothing. And you have to have a land to yourself a find access to land with you know. Because i think that a lot of people are bit naive about the imagine that is just like having fun being. It is not and you know that it can be very stressful. When i started my hair with pitch black and now it's all white so it is very people always see like the tip of the iceberg. But there's a lot of things behind you know and you like we'd been empty for one year because of covid it's not because we're offering the wrong product just because the whole word stopped living so it is not an easy job. It's very rewarding when you like what you do. And i am totally blessed by the fact that we have a big amazing guests coming to our place but what i say to people when they keep an when they asked me. Could you mentioned me. I'd like to do this. I always tell them start. Virtually because there's no risk and i often find there's Bit of knife day in the way. People approach the concept. There's a lot of people want to get to become creative but the are in businesses which have nothing to do with creativity and and they say. Should i go to design school. I didn't if for me everything i do. Totally spontaneous like you have people who are gifted into in singing or drawing whatever. I'm very blessed to be naturally designer so it it is easy for me to design a place. It's the easiest part but then after you have to put into a source of income and this is complicated so if people don't have this kind of instinct for designing phen asked him to be prudent be prudent.

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S3- E29 Tony Tiyou- Renewable Energy Expert

5 Things With Angie B

1:01:21 hr | 8 months ago

S3- E29 Tony Tiyou- Renewable Energy Expert

"And welcome back to five things i'm your host and gb and as always i'm thrilled you're here thank you for taking time out of your day tune. It summer is about all things. Sustainability renewable energy ocean conservation etc. And this week's episode is specifically about renewable energy. My guest today is tony. Te'o tony is the founder of renewables in africa which is a clean energy company providing project origination and project development services as well as market insights renewables and africa is also a media platform about energy and africa. I also call tony mr bbc because he's a regular contributor to several programs on the network as their renewable energy and technology expert in addition to being an entrepreneur he is also a published author publix and public speaker who believes in changing the world through clean energy solutions. Am i am so happy that he is taken time from his really busy schedule to be a guest on the show townie. Thank you so much for being here lead from. I think it was long overdue right so i find any. We have we cover. So let's get it done. Yes i really appreciate you coming on. So yeah i basically want to talk about five different areas. And i want to kick off with your origin story. It's really interesting that you are in a completely different industry and a little bit of context for the listeners of known twenty for few years now and his story is amazing. And i've had the opportunity to be a part of his really fantastic webinars. And i've learned a lot about his background just fascinated with how you were able to transition from where you were to where you are now. And all of the hard work and determination that went into that so if you can just share a little bit of where you were and how you transition into renewables this or it's accurate. Thank you so Thank you for that so essentially. So i wasn't automotive engineer reid so at the time i was working for waffle folds right ford motor company. I guess everybody knows that. And nor the company. Obviously so i was part of an organization called the association for black engineer in the uk and this organization so we doing a number of things and one of them. Was you know very interesting conferences in firearm rights and reorganized. That was cody extra vacation of africa and was It's amazing speakers. I can't remember the name. But i noticed top was very much great and in fact what i remember for. This country was actually worn big jar which is quite famous across the world. Which is that the satellite image of the distribution of power across the globe and donna. The reason accu guests talking to my mind is because that was actually the first time i realized that we can't get high to move to never be likely these way too. I have to say. I spent part of my life. in cameroon's that's way a militia so there so you know unit using like anybody right and it's when you go bro you go to other places and that you able to see that the certain difference and looking at that image was able to see okay. 'cause see there's a problem and literally just shocked me so just locally show up so i decided that i wanted to be of the submission and Literally just decided that that time i was going to you know. Find find a way into the energy sector. The rest is a bit of our history. I'm sure you're going to be coming about some of those are highlight you know in the in the course of these into your son. Just gonna stop it now sharing that what. What i think is super interesting about this. Is that you realize something made you think deeply about a serious problem and that you wanted to take action. What were some of the challenges you faced in your transition coming from the motor industry into the renewable energy and energy space. How did you overcome them. What were they in. How did you overcome them. Or that's a great question is a good question. Because i usually say that you know once you realize that okay. There is a problem. And i want to be part of the solution. That's absolutely correct right but and you feel happy about that but almost literally the second today that you stop having doubts you start asking yourself number question going to be just like know so by the way what am i gonna be involved if i to go to and i want to go to the boy the mountains in their multiple technologies right so you don't know where to go yours yourself. Why have the rice skills wakened. I find information's on my smarter offs so easy just vanity from my side or i really wanna go into that. A hobby lobby doubts. I think the first issue was say you just overcome doubt. I just to understand okay. He wasn't just Let's say something to happen in the moment. And the next second the second afterwards than you complete back back into your life. So i had to overcome rights oversee days dot to digest gas stockings. My mind down to the now. I wanted to get to get something done right at my level so once she was old. And okay i want to move into that sector and see what i break and you look to find a job which were which was what i did. I as an engineer so always been a part of right and want the evolving part of. I knew that you know. I haven't skills. I've always been told this when i was a unit. That's why i was so you have. They were the time for me not been tested. The best testing needs to see begin breakage another industry using boost skills so I went true at apply to many many many job applications. And then a you break through a help for me to say that that was actually at a time of the previous Economic crisis around as nine. That was a time. So i'm showing stand that the contact wasn't also favorable because at that time you know p- company was lose jar sticking job jump on board so definitely add a of saskia so our engaged to recruiters and want the age people. In fact i canadian is to appoint that recruiter will not gonna have me on the long of the long run for the simple reason that if you understand the nature of the job which is simply to to place i would say The best candidate for the position. That accompany will open. That's how you're making their money You give me the best product that you have so. I have to make sure that. I find some that mitt syria. If he's not in case i won't do that. I won't. I won't try. Because i know i won't win especially incompetent don't Was not have me. So i sorta figured that i do find my own way in so i came up with the plan which was about get myself into a company. Okay okay in. Certainly in the automotive. But i was wide enough. That had an apartment that would allow me once on inside the company to make traverse a move into energy and from work my way into a renewable energy. So that's what i date and much or the challenges are for example. Convince a company wants to inside that you good enough to be able to handle another another talk when you into our the taj you need to get most of your debts Do a right to to trust us. That mean finding project. If you find then meet your wish meets about project successful at after account manager what i did and many when i decided after the to move on my own and create knowledge compete to move ahead only random auto problem that comes to you because you've become out of southern entrepreneur right so anymore so many many many challenges that i just thought that was long but i was sobriety to you. Yes now. I super appreciate you sharing all of that information. Because i mean several things number one perseverance. Hard work understanding the nature of the industry. And what you're trying to do understanding the long term challenges that come with working with a recruiter as you mentioned and also very valuable there is i. I wouldn't be surprised if this is something. People that want to switch their careers. Just something different would face. So i just find that to be really valuable because An i this is a conversation that i our topic that i had an october september october with non linear career trajectories and what it takes to go from one from one place to another and how life takes you down different roads. So that's got me thinking about that. But i just. I think there's so much value in what you said. And cutting i guess an expectation for listeners of this is often times what it takes but i think and i also think it's interesting that there you did have that underlying foundation as an engineer that actually i just rebound berry creek and what you said. So i don. I like to be doing that pharmaceutical engineering. But the reason is greater. Because i've always hits people in fact if you don't know where to go in life at the you making setback within snaring opens more doors for closing to you. So no disrespect for any other professions. But let's say you go into college right so if you happened that you can't find a job in these direction later on so it becomes difficult to do something you know. It's not impossible by doing. Nothing is impossible if you really have the The the will to work with where there's a will. There's a wing exactly. That's that's one of entre so but it makes it more difficult. Webuye is in jail. I can say so pretty much you can do on was everything at indoctrinating. I robe been a conscious of you know. I've always said muscle. You can do anything you your mind into it. And in fact would in june degree would help you in that sense because You have the skills and the capabilities that you give up to give hundreds yet now. I think an engineering degree in engineering background is useful in so many ways as our stem stem degrees. And things like this. So i really appreciate you sharing that. So now i want to switch to the other topic which is around renewable energy itself because there because there are and and i asked this. I wanna ask question. Because i know that solar energy is a big big part of what you do and so i just the listeners because there are other types of renewable energies right wind hydro right water solar so is the area that that you specialize in and what are the what are key things that people should know about these differences between. Yeah he's renewable energies. That's very very good question. So i'm sure you always know that. My companies carbon was in africa. Right so we we working on different source of renewable now. What happened is most of the jobs that will do being sort of for one simple reason. This is the maturity -nology that we have at the moment and the moment show combat or the auto and looking at the asking continent for example. Right so the one single single team that people should know about that about africa is that solar is the one source that is widespread across the continent or the other souls are not us were distributed in the continent for example. You know if you're looking for hydro need to go that simple like us anyway. Even asking infection. Where where can i find A region that i good for hydro that simple for the. What is so good to doesn't difficult for you. It's hard to set up a hydropower plant in the middle of the sahara. Or the middle of the desert right exactly. That's what i'm saying the rain you. If you know where way rains out most likely that's where you can settle your high do. And a symptom of about mass and in fact solar is the only source that you can have any consonant whether you a north africa west africa east africa central africa. You know you can pretty much you pretty against to the yes. You can develop for the if you wanted to. And that's just for got always across the world so the the the it industry has reached scale meaning that now we can have an has become very competitive compared to other sources including a fossil fuel but besides sola just respond specific question. So i've also looked at Win a wind project in fact is quite interesting because when i thought my career renewables our specialize little more into win so that was actually in the uk. And that can't see that's the reason we have in your pocket. People listen agreed. So i started in the wind and looking at Actual wind right could be goes for wine just to make it simple on showed that means a inland and offshore. That's up in to see so that just to make a simple for people to understand and resolve crossing. 'cause i was breaking industry and in the uk so it's not a scientist country world. Yes there is a there is a vibrant a sola of community Soda industry here but all the dominant one. The one that the government's affords allowed its actual weight right. So that's a reason. As i was looking for project. That's way stopped. It's diverted that good knowledge about wind. And in fact i've actually even written which i still believe is the only book token by the wind industry now africa so I wrote it. That was Back into a twenty seventeen. So i do have that die experience on on on on wind but obviously Touch on many project in in soda but beside those to we've also looked at ways to energy if it has something so People in the continent very interesting interested in for august reason. I and yet you've been to to to to a traffic in many countries not forget. I'm sure you recognize that you know didn't race. It's a pressing issues but it that way however they -nology it's still a bit expensive and non i would say is mature enough to be to be developed At scale so yeah so to respond again to another facet of question yes. There are different sources so in a nutshell. Sold wind us the most The most the most famous most non. And dan you have hydros infect hydro. That's going be the orders form of a renewable. That's what has been exploited for many years and decades not certain in the afternoon on is just like a obviously to do high project still involve allow emission chabot industrial sometime before you don't wanna county Dommage as a as a renewable reasonable noble false. So a i have to say and after die. You have what i say Biomass also wished to energy in your view your carmel. Yeah that's those are Yeah some of the renewable energy sources. That are out there. Yeah awesome thank you thank you. Thank you so much a couple of things that you that you mentioned that stood out to me and i do wanna get back to waste to energy and other types of opportunities that are there and a little bit but i wanted to i Segue into the next topic. And that is what renewables mean in our society and their usage widespread or lack thereof of renewables particularly solar in our societies the us the uk Europe if solar power solar power is the most popular and it's the most easily geographically easy to use Right 'cause you As long as there's sunshine you're you can set up a solar panel or grids or system around it why hasn't not become even more widespread than what it is. I i was. Because i'm very curious about this and yes you know. When you mentioned earlier i lived in sierra leone for two years and power is is is an area that the country focusing on to reduce energy poverty in in the country and us in the region so when i was pulling up some information on a link to all of these articles and sources on the website but i read that in two thousand nine hundred. Renewable energy sources accounted for eleven percent of total. Us energy consumption and about seventy percent of electricity generation. That same in the same year. Twenty nineteen renewable production generated. Thirty seven point nine percent of total electricity in the uk which is almost half which is pretty good and in two thousand eighteen. Renewable energy represented eighteen point. Nine percent of energy consumed in the. I feel that this should be bigger. I feel like the market sure should be larger at this point knowing what we know knowing you know th the great benefits that you know. Climate change benefits sustainability benefits. Why why isn't it as widespread yet. And i know that's a big question. So maybe you can speak specifically to wides different. You know different in the uk verses the us but why isn't this more popular more mainstream. That's an excellent question. How matching do of horror kasinga by doing. I figured he would say that. Because there's probably like fifty five million different things at play here policy governments investments all of these types of things. Well be and and these are interesting because he actually mentioning Do the reasons rice but let me let me attempt to to provide some answers to that right some some light into that. So i'm just gonna leave the biggest full For the last. I'm just gonna say that. Tweeting the i can see i right before finishing venus. So regulation has a big impact into into Renewables at energy bakers eight fifty if the sector Example if the sector not be decentralized then it becomes difficult for project to to emerge houston. How many countries maybe not in the in the us in in the uk in your wear. It has not been dissented. Steering many mini cons across the world so a state not allowed by the law project to the To generate electricity and to senate you nuts sending it to the national grid right so that means that you then come up in design. A big sorta Wind project so it becomes difficult for you to know where you're gonna set it. You could be a telling me that okay. So if i constantly to greet to customer by doctors if the law allows it and these many countries not possible. so that's well it's Is one of the The the big e shop just highlight just want point. That could that explain why they still not that big take-up that you were refer referring to so it relies a lot into the the the the regulations right and then you have. The finance is a big part of it because yes the big difference between the noble and fossil fuel is that renewables eight capital intensive so. When you build a project you need a lot of money but when it comes to operation so it's been much nothing right. Where is the opposite so the money you need to produce you know because now you have county. Oh skill it's not that much not even half even tired of what you spent full for a full forecast project. However on the long run to operate the plant he was spend a lot of money. And if you look at the lifetime cost right so you actually found out that many cases so renewable project either competitive or cheaper right the problem as people were talking about the talk about. Just the the The capital that needs to be injected a experts. So that's that's way bacon sometimes being executed it will also complain that there is an unfair advantage for renewable because they're receiving subsidies but his disposal For me for debate because fossil fuel. Even now i see receiving a stops none of it right here so That's where no and the me as society because yes has become. I can tell you. Deputy becoming a very trendy topic of what i started. Developing an interest in ten years ago short. He was starting to become a little bit more popular. But clearly what what what it is now definitely not and now everybody's talking about now breen die into practice in the think example. How many people you know are actually thinking about switching a supplier to go for those that actually promoting renewables or maybe Providing their power from the noble nola right. So yes. I know i. I'm also thinking because i would. I rent my place lease. I don't own where i live by. If i owned the building that i live in. I would be open or interested in exploring that option. I've seen homes in in my neighborhood and the community that have solar panels on them. And i would love to see you know. I wish there were more. But i think it's it also has to do as you mentioned with regulation because i think it's not the savings don't necessarily and i could be completely wrong about this. I'm just. I'm just thinking out loud. About why more. Residential buildings have it made that kind of a switch. And i think it has to do with regulations as well as Who is in charge of the companies that are leading the 'electricity grids or the electricity companies in various communities that have control empower over that and it makes it a row creates roadblocks for individuals that are interested in having solar panels. Exactly and thank you for saying that because by the way we're talking about homeowner for example I we wish more economically under the relieving and one of the first thing that i did when we bought the house without the switching to grow for a renewable a supplier so just to to to respond to wait the comment that you're making but was it easy to do that. Who right now so it was. So what do you not have to connect that to do not have to connect it to your main electrcity provider. Now okay. that's okay. I don't know exactly how he's dinu in the us in the uk. William right now. It's very simple because the way happens it. Yes you switch right is on but almost you switching accounts now. Don't forget that actress wherever as produced as produced by gas code one of goes to the national that would not distribute right so basically. Your home is still wire by the same wire that has been put in by the by the national great usage is just like wendy do counts right so there were split to the To to figure it out obviously who we supply a who is a customer few basically right. So that's that's eh but it doesn't mean that you as a customer. We need to physically switch change something or you're just changing account but what they would it mean actual fact act if that you means that if order supply was gonna provided say hundred kilowatts a hundred to a tower to two national great. Maybe renewables ha turkey so when they do the account they were consider that the guide us switch to renewable actually be accounted from thirty other forced to the other seventy used to belong to it. Something like that. I just wanted to say that in terms of physically. Nothing actually changed like they need to would need to bring the line and connect and connect you up or something like that. How do you connect it. I guess i'm just curious about this. Haven't i yeah. I'm i'm just interested in understanding what that process is. You know you can say You you are already connected. Or i'm trying to say is actually you all feed into imports and apart then disappeared energy Give it to to people is almost like if you imagine. So you if you an energy supplier you generate your actress you go and put that into a pot in that part is a national and that part within serve it to the different customer to a different customer. Da dad is just when i do in the but basically the same the same line from the national grid because remember once is produced. There's no different whether that's interesting from the gas of quota while on this no different from that point on so all or i'm just gonna say the question becomes that customer that is connected by degrees one. We do the accounts. We're going to have to decide. Who is this guy could you to is equated to the faucet shoot guy or to the renewable guy right so when i said if it's correct to the faucet guy it means that when this guy when i pay my electricity what are people who managed to if i consider the fossil fuels of money's going to if i consider that it's for the renewable guy the money so could that's the way it's sort of organized bats do wiring. It's all a is owned by the national grid yet in that doesn't change so hopefully have expanded a little bit. I know a little bit complicated. Because also myself i did struggle although media a destroyed that concept before but Yeah so that makes that makes sense. I encourage i encourage listeners to do the research in their own communities i believe in the united states there are different regulations per state of what is what that process looks like so i would encourage and i'm gonna do a little bit more research and dig a little bit more because i'm also very interested in knowing not but i encourage all the listeners to do to do the research in their own communities or states to see what that process would look like if they wanted to hook up two solar solar power and so with that i want to transition now in to the specific the specific opportunities that are available on every noble energy space rate so i was reading this other article That looks at some of the types of innovations that are happening right now with solar solar solar power and energy and that includes things like paint that absorbs the sun's rays and things like this one opportunities are there for entrepreneurs that are interested in getting into the space or looking to make a career change wonder some opportunities from be entrepreneurial perspective in terms of what types of products or services are you know can be created what are the gaps and also for people that don't necessarily want to start their own thing but would like to start working in the industry. What one does what are some of these opportunities. Look like okay. So again doesn't a very excellent question. So i would say. I did gap that existed in soda. So so what are loopholes at large is pretty much still very young industry in fact when you talk about the dinosaurs of renewable these guided fifties. So if you compare up was awful. Oj which is gaps gas. Yeah so he's will be sixty six seventy s so he showed you how still yang the The the industry is so there are still many in that needs to be a Put together in terms of once idea the opportunities so i think there is a there is a place constantly because for example. That's probably more more on the findings products. One of a team that's Renewable tend to struggle with especially for smaller sized project. They don't always have enough people that were there will be happy to fund this for the photos for to to to move forward so one of the way that people can come up with and make it a provide. A solution is to provide some sort of aggregation solution whereby you assemble a number of projects from renewables to create some sort of portfolio to set up. Create a baked project that you bring to an investor to the to go indoors obviously for you to be able to do that. You need to have a proper nada transaction skills and those goats interactional skills would have been developed in the sector. it could be like real estate. It could be like a traditional energy or manufacturing but you simply just bring it into the into the into a sector that that's number one and more cartoons offer people that sorry. I don't want to just when you're talking about you know kind of looking at some of these projects. Some of their biggest challenges are not having the funding. So when you see do you mean like a crowdfunding almost like putting together a platform where You can gather so the the okay let me let me bet. Expanding cr- crafty. It's one innovative Find finding solutions financing solution that we see out there but let's imagine the majority of funder who's on pulled that i'm i'm dealing with right. I get in touch with fry. They will say they. Minimal the minimum sized transaction do size Say would be around ten million dollars and above right but the many projects that do not reach this level especially for emerging markets right. So you need. Let's say by k. Dollar here two dollars and these guys they don't they don't have enough. People are waiting to fund them word. Reason is that so The transaction costs whether you working on the on the small political big It's about same right if just just dude to go through right number train. It's about the same so when people see that obviously it makes sense for them to work on a big questions. You could imagine a larger as opposed to focus more project so one way to go around it. That's what i was saying right. Somebody can just aggregate. Let's say if i take a bunch of fudge need one million dollars. If i take tenable so. I have my kidney that i can then bring into the greed today to the investor who who are sending me that mice small decide how morning to look at this right so this guy wants you brought those predict together. So you've able to allies them. How dan dan dan for for that investor makes sense but then again providing a properly solution is another way and by the way there is a company that one mentioned to them because i respect for a program but there is a german company is actually saying so what they've done so dip developer platform whereby they have cried investor that investing into that platform and we use just did not win develop project across the road especially at margin market and so that's another solution that exist company so it was founded by the sue still relatively young guide the audit. I used to work in the industry for people so they got to get that you know that they could bring that money to can create up platform whippy because you always have a lot of a smart investors that want to please the money into something interesting. Maybe support the industry. It's one way people are happy but can get involved. It's you know you can. I begin money right if it was. You know ten people happy to make a hundred thousand does already it. That's the me nikunau fund. Maybe one or two they need. I don't know if i were the cage. So that's that's That's one way industry Progress from implem- people. Now that's fascinating. I hear you're saying and and it's super interesting. So basically there's opportunities to bring together smaller skill investors or investors that want to be involved but just don't have millions but they have maybe tens of thousands or even less and want to get involved but also presenting projects grouping projects together and presenting them to larger investors to make it easier for them to to sift through. What the projects that should be on their radar. And so i would yeah. I could see that streamlining this process Could is could be a business opportunity. And also what i think is interesting mirrors for listeners. That are interested in getting a getting more involved In renewable energy space looking at what are some of these smaller investment opportunities that exist Which i also think is quite quite interesting and then the other you earlier you mentioned. I wanted to circle back to this waste energy. Not that is an area where i think. Every country in the world could benefit from You know we. As as as human species were definitely creating a lot of trash rate every year that's ending up in our oceans it's ending up in landfills. It's things that are not going to you. Know breakdown are just going to sit there for thousands of years. So we're certainly you know very good at producing large large amounts of waste. I would. i'm just wondering because that's an area to me that i think can aspiring entrepreneurs or current Companies that have budget. Maybe look into this as an to. You know to to to expand to build on. What's already there in terms of waste. Energy yes. I absolutely agree with that. So yes that's fine. So i mean what is the specific question. They just wanna make sure the appropriate response to that just expanding to that. So y- y just kind of wanted to just look at. What are you know anyone. That's kind of interested in putting putting one foot into the industry to kind of see what what's out there. What's possible from entrepreneurship side but also from an individual side of the want to go work for renewable energy company the types of opportunities that are out there is is what i wanted to to to discuss. Okay so In terms of the the type of opportunity out there for people so again it. I guess it would depend on what people are always advice. When you want to change to rewrite. I can tell because absolute donna so you need to be clear as to festival why you want to wait what you're looking for. Because the worst thing they wanna do is to just go and get stuck into something that going to remind you of your job decorating right so you want to be very clear. So do you want to Let's say Bird your own company and sort of run it or do you want to go and work for somebody you want to just advice because basically renew was energy just like any industry that many many level where you can get covid so you can get involving for example if you have If you if your lawyer right you can specialized into a renewable energy project. You and i were just talking about the regulations. How large how big is so. Get on the stand that oversee if you know the legal background is that you can do that right. So if are a finance background it game. Findings is the big issue. You could specialize into that had you fund renewable for the higher hacker. Make you bank hacker. I make viable so that people can attract to bring money into it. So that's an angle that you can do cats because all the project like just any industry people are looking for money there. If you have some skills there you can tap into that now. It's our technical by grow your engineer. So you wanna be your skills saw knowing that Tower can redesign and develop a a sort of the impact. Can i break into it. So that's another angle that you can set up for sort of luca so it is no different than any industry is just like the the the topic yet revolves around a specific technology right so but all those different kind of job. Professional support role are needed right. So and is all dependent than what you exactly want to now wanting identity sales all which is actually important to forgive me the opportunity to bring that up as when saw to the two nearby roughly in the last decade. Sort of a fine my way where At the moment and it wasn't that easy because there is in like you're a blueprint for you to To to get to that state. I had to find information in there so make mistakes spending a lot of money and i can save big part of the money's called the cost of mistakes right because cubic mistaken for yourself into a specific sound condition. You made at that. That's the right one. You gotta change find a finder. The right ronin jump into it so it was a challenge to say To say the least but what we have for recently don of my company so we've come up with a program which is a A soda develop amounts to call. These are all the people that say. Hey i want to break into industry. I want to be developed. I wanted to do is very simple. But initially no rec- hockey acquired the rights kill and derive information so whip develop virtual undermined. Master cost you know to get people or they need to make sure that it can go from a company begin. Whatever the bike around all the way to an advanced and and being able to be in a position to develop the the the first of many projects and all of that in a matter of just a few days or weeks of the years that kids. And thank you because actually that was going to be a little bit of. You shared somebody nuggets of wisdom there. Because i was going to ask what are some tips for listeners. That wanna make the transition into that space and you've provided so much good information very realistic and practical information on the mistakes that you've made and the challenges that you say and how you came you know how you turned all of that around to really be where you are today. No i appreciate that. So i do want to us before we wrap up. Want to For you to share the the great things that you're doing right and you know what what are some of the projects that you've worked on some of the impact that you've seen in in in other countries or any kind of feel good story if you will that you'd like to share goods. Okay so let me. Just talk about a couple of examples so We we do a lot of products. We are engage in for example in kenya so carries a country Dots few years ago. Right was still have an edification. Wait for National figure was below. Fifty percents right but in spits in space of five years d. neighbor to take to over sixty percent now which is not a small thing and most of most of these are full from project developed from renewables talking about a win because the actually having do the largest wind for the in the in the continent but also lots of hydro and then and then solar and it's quite interesting to Kenya because bear. Recently i was Reading an article. That will show me by oversee my guys where it's a jitney. You had the national utility or company of the of the country which is for our see which essentially said at the moment the shrugging allowed for the simple reason that many of the large customers are now switching to solar because they find the a more appropriate solution for them on this guy. That means this guy. I had not a customer and losing money so and then not very much dinner. Happy about that and power is because Pretty that we work in on a will be. It's what we call. Cni witches camacho industrial whereby you go in meet of various companies and you offer them to provide soda hybrid solution to allow them to alleviate day the power power challenges and and in addition to reducing the energy consumption and Energy costs rights. So that's some of the by that We've we've seen from the work that not only we are doing but also the whole industry in the whole sector so another country that also very interesting. it's a country like china which is actually where is thought to having a doing my my first project and the country that runs a lot on hold for the lot of dare diamond. Everybody knows and and distant running a lot of code but thanks to actually worked at our allow people have done the Asaf included raising awareness on the population. Not what we're seeing. It's a lot more. People in the population are looking at you to go solar and there's a lot more inquiries and you can see i can't there and even the national government rice so they've been now pushing for a number of years to have Tenders case to be able to develop a be here in the country. Okay so d- project has not happened yet. Bats are they in the next few year. That's one thing that we will see the patty list at the population devil. You can see this now a much more wider take up in terms of In terms of renewable got those are just two examples. I can mention the word. I can tell. You is compared to when When i started there is a not more appetite and you can see that from just before sophie about the sector ink you for sharing. Not it got me thinking to opportunities as well internationally for for people that are interested in getting into the renewable energy space. Because it's just it's what you just share some so interesting so exciting and i would imagined you know. I know people that would love to go work abroad and perhaps bats an area as well for listeners. to look to you. I worked in sierra leone. I worked With you know in a private sector development program and our team Worked across various sectors and one of the sectors was renewable energy. And it was my that was my international experience in the renewable In renewable energy space. And just it was amazing to see what was going on there. The you know the various Renewable energy companies that were establishing themselves in the country the the the conversation and dialogue around imports and experts of renewable energy products specifically solar panels. So it was. It's it just gives me an Reminds me of another opportunity as well for people that are looking to work abroad that the renewable energy space could be an area for them to explore and see what skills they have that may need needed in some of these programs because as you mentioned lawyers engineers even marketing folks like myself could could could bring value and provide you know help with some of these programs so i do want to Make sure that you share you. Know have any upcoming webinars coming up or you know how can people send up for your newsletter. Detonating our responsibility suwon one quick thing. We talked about opportunities of road. Absolutely actually our a our subscribe to that because he was a guy who they used to work for. Okay yes. I was a large company. But we're just wants sector right by just jumping into the into the industry been able to work into project of certain in y- in europe and africa for shoal in the us. I would see we worked on a project together and that would definitely enjoy your marketing skills. Thank you very much. And i. And i'm also actually involve at the moment as well in a copper project in asia so absolutely so interesting okay. Great great that's very exciting. How i wanted to the absolutely in fact the the huge huge many opportunity abroad. Yeah definitely and that's actually what you get when you come into a sector. I definitely strongly encourage people that want to make the move to do it. Obviously it's not. It's not easy per se however say when there is a word that was away indefinitely the rewards off a worth definitely now clock and it's also not that i know it's a daunting but it's actually it's not the easiest thing but it's also not the hardest thing to do. I think you know working abroad. I just saw so many combinations of family arrangements. You're single people married. People people with children and i realized okay. There are ways to do this. are no matter what your situation as family wise because i know family commitments and things like this. Make it difficult but there are ways. There are ways to to do this absolutely yes. So that's why. I strongly encourage people. I can tell you yes. It's challenging because not only because it's renewable but simply because ashland entrepreneur. Anyway so you're going through a set of challenges that you need to offer come is very much fitting. I would say. I'm harvesting with myself. Because i know that you know what i do is what i wanted to do. And by the way. I'm not being part of the solution and this is what i want it so i definitely wouldn't complain very tired and i applaud you because you are doing work burnt you really are. You're changing lives. You're changing lives and renewable energy can change lives. It can make our planet better. And that's why. I'm so happy that you were on the show and shared so much Again you're right. This is one of those conversations that can very easily be dragged out into lake three hours. Because there's so much ground to cover but But just knowing your story knowing you know what you've been able to accomplish knowing the work that you're doing the impact you're having in people's lives and communities and countries around the world. Mine i i you know. It's it's commendable. It's it's beautiful. It's amazing and that's one of the things that i want listeners. To really take away from this conversation is is that you know there are. Renewable energy is such a good space to to think about. We're thinking about how to make this world a better place and what you can do as an individual to have impact and the various ways to go about renewable energy and just to finish up quick ended 'cause I noticed that didn't respond to that. But i always liked to respond to questions that have been. I'm been asked so yes. That's because on bbc on things enemy is interviewed by the top. But you know by the top top people. So we'll but i can say the best person was angered i can tell you i appreciate you saying not ideal ideal me you just the next Katie couric right. So i love you know. I was on her show. I love me some katie couric if she ever listens to this out to katie amazing. She's amazing what what makes me so excited tack people like you that come on you. Yes that's that's a. That's the same i in the pleasure is all mine. Actually i say he was. We do and is were saying so. If there are people that one craig with us. We definitely on pretty much. All the social media. Different social media handles facebook with nobles in africa finals on lincoln over africa on instagram. So we're dead on youtube as well and now we have in our next workshop dot says on wednesday the nine of december where we're gonna be talking about how people can break into renewable energy and become a soda do their first viable project. So yes. that's what it can find. And i'm sure if they're going to order social media Space as i mentioned to should be able to find information about that and to sign up for the workshop. And i'm gonna make sure that all of that's included on the website all of the links to everything social media handles so it's easy to find so that's awesome and i encourage listeners to check out these workshops if you're interested in getting into the renewable energy space and understanding what's out there what's available just getting deeper dive into it Twenties workshops are awesome. You make an investment in yourself and your future of what it is that you're trying to and yes so i. I think it's worth the money. I think it's you know you really do. Provide a lot of knowledge and to be able to have to be able to pick your brain on that level You know if you're someone who's trying to get into the space on a serious you know seriously wants to get into the space. I think that's super valuable exactly soda like you say if you serious not curious definitely we can have you yes so with that. Thank you thank you. Thank you so much tony for for being here. You're awesome i. It truly means a lot to me that you're here on to the listeners. Please check us out again. next week. We have another brit in the house. who's going to be talking a same same beam of sustainability and and all and all of those things but he's actually this guest is going to be a little bit more from the investment side of things and so i'm very excited that he's gonna be on and we're all friends know tony in so i don doesn't buy yes so i'm just happy that you know you. Folks on the other side of the pond are so keen to come onto my podcast and Know british accents and just all accents are just. They always sounds because your accent awesome. All accidents always quite nice. I think on on podcast. So that's another aspect that i want to thank you for so yes listeners. 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Fake Heiress Cons High Society

American Greed Podcast

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Fake Heiress Cons High Society

"You gotta take a listen to this. It's swap pod that's right. Cnbc's flagship business. New show is a podcast squawk pot this control to is not just the show. Folks might be even better. Because it's only audio join me. Katie kramer as i take you inside the squawk box control room and beyond the headlines of tv broadcast with joe kernan becky. Quick and andrew. Ross sorkin every weekday. Subscribe to squawk pod on apple podcasts. Spotify stitcher or wherever. You get your podcasts. This is the american league podcast presented by cnbc. I'm stacy keach in this episode of american greed and adobe is everywhere downtown. Manhattan socialite wants to be money connections. She had it all you wanted to be heard with. Vr access to everything cool in new york art and fashion. You want it to be seen with her. She knew exactly how to use social media to bolster that image. She had over forty thousand. Instagram followers are social. Connector who easily rosen friends. Here's this person. i liked. Who seems really excited to to spend time with me. I responded by her attention. But the public phase of an be hi to lithuania secrets. Shook out place. Like she didn't belong there. She says she's german errors but her friend start asking questions like living family. Even how finley this person spent so much time with wasn't an all what i believed her to be. An adobe really is a young woman accused of trying to winter more than twenty five million dollars from manhattan financiers and who would sell out her own friends to get what you want the up late at night having attacks just like pleading with her trying to find something that would explain it or fix it. One of the oldest types of cons is the impostor especially someone with all a power. Someone with a lot of influence and anna. W was that someone downtown. New york city episode of a young sheet created world. Where in two thousand sixteen twenty eight-year-old vanity fair photo editor. Rachel williams live intersects with that of an adobe a new face on the and that anna out in new york on evening i had gone out for some drinks with some girls. I knew and and joined us at this lounge on the lower east side and i had seen anna in photos on instagram and saw that she had over forty thousand instagram followers. She had a lot of artsy photos of travel and art and shopping. Picture is with people in the fashion world rachel and hit it off and begin a friendship. Although their lives couldn't be more different. Anna has an unusual and somewhat fabulous address. She lives at the eleven hour. An exclusive event seamy soho hotel popular with fashion and art professionals with rooms turning it more than five hundred dollars a night. So a lot of anna's lifestyle was very different than mine and all sorts of different ways for instance higher living in a hotel full time. I didn't know anybody else like that. For rachel williams. The timing is right for a new friendship. I had just gotten out of a longterm relationship. And here's this person. I i liked. Who's living walking distance from my apartment. Who seems really excited to to spend time with me. Often eat dinner or have drinks in her hotel and she would always sign the bill to her room. The seemingly endless flow of champagne is more than regime can afford but anna doesn't seem to mind. She asked me at some point how much i made. So she knew what my financial situation was but she really liked these expensive experiences. And i was like it's fun to have someone there with me so i was happy to go when she is not treating friends to luxury experiences and being seen at all the most exclusive downtown restaurants clubs and events. Nfl v is working on her pet project. An audacious concept she calls the anna delhvi foundation. She wanted to create these giant art gallery. Space a members only club. Restaurants bars lounges. And she had been meeting with lawyers and bankers trying to finalize the lease dacian claims to have a board of directors with a who's who of top tier artists collectors real estate moguls and restaurant tours. Anna hires a london-based designed for him to bring her vision to life in the form of an eighty three page. Pdf laying out her plans. I mean it ranged from exhibitions by top artists. Like cindy sherman and daniel archambault and earth's fisher who again our top blue chip contemporary to multiple restaurants artist residencies german bakery very exclusive club according to our net reporter. Eileen can sell them in the new york art world it is not out of the ordinary that a twenty something with a trust fund and a pension for modern-art could be taken seriously. I would've thought this is a very wealthy person. With extremely high ambitions and extensively the power to make it happen because do feel a lot in the art world that things will come on our raider where it's a younger collector who clearly has access to a lot of funds and able to easily immerse themselves in the art world and figure out who the best artists are established himself sort of on the scene. And that's clearly what she did. The nfl foundation centers on leasing a historic building at two eighty one park avenue south. It has this gothic architecture. It's very stunning. And she claimed that she was negotiating a lease part of which involved going to city national. That was one of the banks that she approached and saying that she needed a thirty million dollar loan in order to make this happen and that claim linked to another claim that she made which was that she was a german heiress and that when she turned twenty five she was going to be entitled to a sixty million euro inheritance. I admired that. She was so motivated to do something with that. Wealth and i admired her ambition and her focus spend much of her time networking with influential people including the ceo of blade. A private jet rental company when anna says she needs to fly to omaha nebraska to attend the berkshire hathaway and shareholders meeting. She books private jet through blade and doesn't blink at the thirty five thousand dollar price tag for a round trip flight to attend to. What she says is family business. It seems to be just another day in the fabulous life of the german erice a week after her return from omaha anna tells rachel williams at her visa is expiring and g needs to leave the country to reset it rather than return home to germany and her decides. She wants a more extraordinary trip to marrakech morocco as socialites want to do she decides she needs her every move videotaped he had this idea that she wanted to create a documentary about the creation of her art foundation and to do that she wanted to. I see what it was like to have someone around the video camera so she framed the trip to morocco. As though we're going to be this business expense. And she's going to create some sort of footage from it when anna's preferred videography her backs out. Rachel introduce downer to her friend. Jessie hawk right away. Got the sense that she was very self important. And she kind of demanded a certain amount of attention by the way. She carried herself shoes really good at projecting the way she wanted to be perceived that her ideas were unique or or no worthy one week later she had reserved this private villa at law. Muna which is this extremely opulent five star resort in marrakesh and she and then was like who should we invite so she decided to bring the personal trainer who we'd been working out with as well as videography for as a business expense. Anna has offered to cover the cost of the trip for all of her invited guests but the day before their. You're supposed to leave. She hasn't booked flights. So i'm texting back and forth with her. I found correct for everybody. Like how can i help you say book for one flights using her credit card. But it doesn't go through. So i tell anna like you need to call your bank. That's like four thousand dollars. I think. I assume that it's been flagged for fraud then. It created this sort of false sense of urgency which motivated to to say. Oh today use my card and you pay me back. Can she said yeah. Only if that's okay for you can. Why are you on monday. Original williams says she fronts the cost for the flights to morocco. That's how it started. It started with the flights for one way. Flights about four thousand dollars. We'll what exchange is now a podcast. I'm brian sullivan. Join me as we hit the biggest money stories from around the world breaking down the risks and rewards of global. Trade the news. You need to know what real world actionable advice and even a little fun and unique content. You won't get anywhere else like the most random but interesting thing you'll hear all day subscribe to the worldwide exchange. Podcast today and adele on her entourage arrive at jfk. Airport to fly out of new york city on first class tickets to marrakech morocco and his friend rachel williams says she buys the tickets believing that anna will reimburse her but the expenses. Don't stop there. Well we go to check in. And there's an issue and has accidentally checked her wallet that she had all her credit cards end so she has her passport and nothing else but because she already owes me money she says. Can we just add the checked baggage to what i already. Oh you so. It was like one thing. And then another thing. And then of course for the rest of the time i booked flights. That had a six hour layover in lisbon. So i'm paying for meals for everybody starting in the airports before we even arrived. America's lama muna in america is one of the priciest resort in the world and the favorite with the fashion set. Anna reserves their most expensive room a three bedroom. Seventy five hundred dollars a night riyadh or villa for the week. Hotel has four restaurants and three bars sprawling gardens and a private pool and it was ridiculous. Anna spent money like there was an endless supply. We were drinking two three four hundred dollars worth of wine or champagne every day. Documenting anna is like watching one of your friends texting people on their phone all day or or eating or drinking a three hundred and seventy eight shots of her phone though so we kind of waited on her a lot or just whatever. Her whims where we went into. This place called the medina which is old ancient marketplace. It's a walled compound. You walk through. It and anna was really focused on trying to buy some caftans some rock and dresses so we were shown to this dress store and picked out thirteen hundred dollars worth worth of jumpsuit stresses. All of these things goes to us her card. And of course. It's again declined. Rachel williams is covering the incidentals but there is a larger issue. The ammonia they hadn't been paid a cent. And and i just kept saying same thing. She was a broken record. You know like i don't understand. If given you the routing number given you the bank code. I don't know why bother me about this. The situation comes to a head when hotel's security confronted about her failure to pay for. The villa was alarming to me. She seemed disconnected. I think from the urgency of the situation but she told me she was waiting on calls to be returned. One of the managers looked at me and was like. Do you have a credit card. And i looked to analytic white and she goes. Can we just use it for now. The men weren't they weren't smiling. I was intimidated. I felt pressured from from anna as well. Rachel williams hands over her credit card. Just told there will be a hold placed on the card until an adobe funds are accessible the next day. Rachel leaves marrakesh for the work trip. Only to find out that the hold on her credit card at la mamounia isn't just a hold with no other form of payment ever presented. They run the entire cost of the stay splitting the charges on her personal and corporate american express cards for a total of sixty two thousand dollars. She says i'll why are you seventy thousand dollars on monday to make sure all your expenses are covered. When i left. I had i had sent an email saying okay. The amount you only is like. I think it was like nine thousand dollars for the flights and everything outside the hotel. I didn't know it was possible for the entire hotel to go on my credit. Cards watt exchange is. Now a podcast. Brian sullivan join me. As we hit the biggest money stories from around the world breaking down the risks and rewards of global. Trade the news. You need to know. What real world actionable advice and even a little fun and unique content. You won't get anywhere else like the most random but interesting thing you'll hear all day subscribe to the worldwide exchange podcast. Today rachel williams is a desperate woman. Two months after unexpectedly footing the bill for nearly seventy thousand dollars moroccan vacation. She says her friend. Anna delpy promised to reimburse williams is still trying to get her money back more than any year at the time from an elusive anna over that period of time now is by far the darkest time of my life so far as barely holding it together. I would be unable to sleep by the up late at night. Having panic attacks. I would wake up at three. Am four am just filled with so much stress texting her like this really needs to be resolved. I don't understand why there's a delay pleading with her trying to find something that would explain it or fix it for weeks. And adobe says that her family accountant is working to wire the money from germany. But it's tied up for various reasons and no actual funds have made it to rachel jesse hawkes says he is also owed money by an for video services. He provided on the trip at anna's requests constantly in contact with anna through text message or email. I knew the anna was the type of person that if you if you upset her she would just write you off so i was being as nice as i could be while asking her to. Please reimbursed me for my expenses. I'm glad i wasn't rachel because she certainly wasn't a situation. That was way more difficult than my own five weeks after returning from morocco. Rachel's still hold onto hope. That anna is simply a rich kid. Who's irresponsible with money and their key will eventually get paid back but in july of two thousand seventeen. Everything changes and adele. V is outside the swanky beekman hotel for fainting to pay her twelve thousand dollars hotel. Bill anna enlists. The help of criminal defense attorney. Todd spodek very first time. I met her. She comes into my office and she's overwhelmed. The general feel was that she did nothing wrong. That did she is not guilty of any crimes and it's it is a misunderstanding from everyone's point of view which is common in criminal defense. A lot of clients often have misunderstandings that lead them to being prosecuted. Very strange for spodek. The cases routine misdemeanor charges. He thinks he can wrap up pretty easily. in september. two thousand seventeen spodek appears in manhattan district court with his client. We appeared in court thinking nothing of it and that was the first time the media got wind of the case something about an adobe catches the eye of freelance new york. Post photographer steven hirsch. I just had a feeling that there was something interesting about her place. You little scared and so. I photographed her from a distance with a long lens. I mentioned to the reporter after on july thirty first. Two thousand seventeen. The new york post website headline reads wannabe socialite busted for skipping out on pricey hotel bills meanwhile rachel williams and a couple of the friend decide. It's time to confront an adobe face to face. They set up a lunch meeting at a crowded restaurant. On manhattan's west side williams decides to secretly record the conversation started out. Just like what's going on. Why is this problem happening. Why can't you access your money. And she would say things like it's not my fault a lot of other people. She blame her lawyers bankers. And like i don't expose your parents know anything about your situation right now at all then on twice. What like we asked her questions about. Who are your parents acquitted. Their names you have family like living family. You even have family. She gave this fictitious name for her. Dad i'm rose like daniel decker. Delhvi she like would make up these sort of lies on the spot at the end of the meeting. Where d'you williams finally realized that ama- delbene is not the friend or the person she believed her to be. I remember texting with the videographer. And he was like do you think she's a fraud or do you think this is just a case of rich girl can access or money or something and i was like no. I think it's a long game con the next day. Williams context the manhattan district. Attorney's office today sent them a link to one of the tabloid articles. And i said no. I think this girl's a con artist. I really would like to speak to somebody information to share. I ended up getting a phone call and taking my little binder avidan straight to the da's office and sitting down with prosecutors. Who basically said you know. We think you're right anything you can tell us. They'll be useful in a new york city conference room. Twenty-four-year-old and adobe sits down with a banker and makes a lofty request and delhvi had entered a city national bank located in manhattan and attempted to procure alone for about twenty five million dollars. Anna had stated to them that she was trying to get that loan in order to start up a business which was supposed to be a museum of sorts. Like an art lounge in manhattan. They'll be provides. German bank document showing a sixty million euro trust in her name but given her lack of financial history city national denies the loan so an adobe tries to get one elsewhere this time with fortress investments fortress investment had drafted a contract stating that they could tentatively give her thirty million dollars predicated off the background. Check fortress investment requested. One hundred thousand dollars from anna. So they can do their due. Diligence on our anna. Not having those funds went back to city national bank and requested that they give her one hundred thousand dollars so she could give the one hundred thousand dollars to fortress city national bank approved and as loan and it was given the loan in early. Two thousand seventeen so by may of two thousand seventeen city national bank so that they weren't receiving any payments from anna and that's when they contacted the authorities detective. Michael mccaffrey of the nypd. Financial crimes task force takes the case. Best of documentation. She had provided. And what made the bank. Investigators think that this was a criminal act. They told me that they believed the bank documents that she had provided which showed that she had about sixty million euro overseas in a trust fund. Where fake mccaffrey confined little information on the suspect. We had gotten her instagram page. And she had gone by the name anna delhvi so we conduct our background checks on this individual. And we're not seeing anything substantial and the name anna shelby some point. We will to ascertain that. Anna's real name was anna. Sorgun background checks led us to believe that anna sorkin who's born in russia was also a german citizen. Mccaffrey then learns of end. Recent arrest on theft of services charges for skipping out on her luxury hotel. Bill detectives keep digging and find other banks. Anna had frequented. We found that anna was opening bank accounts and writing checks the herself and depositing them into other bank account she had that seems benign however she knew that she had a balanced lower than the amount. She was writing the check. It's called check kiting. And then an adobe puckett's nearly eighty thousand dollars in the scheme once the funds would post or half post and before the other bank knew that she had zero dollars. First bank she was withdrawing the cash. The banks would subsequently closed accounts. But they're still at a loss. Mccaffrey also finds a complaint against standard. Lv from a private jet rental company blade in may of two thousand seventeen. Anna had taken a flight omaha for conference and she was able on credit to get a personal plane. That flew her down to omaha and a never paid the thirty. Five thousand dollar tab in august of two thousand seventeen detective. Mccaffrey presents his evidence to the manhattan. Distract attorney's office a couple of weeks later. The da's office reaches out with another possible crime to add to anna adobe growing list. The district attorney's office had contacted me. And said i should speak with an individual named rachel williams who stated she was a former friend of anna and she had been duped out of approximately sixty two thousand dollars on a trip. I wasn't gonna just wave away flagging. Okay like this. that's mine now. It was reassuring to find allies. Who felt motivated in continuing the investigation. Rachel never received any of the money that anna had promised for the trip before we had moved to an indictment of anna. We added rachel's complaint to our case a grand jury indicted and as the ruikun. An adobe on seven comes and an arrest warrant is issued at this point she was able to acquire one hundred thousand dollars and she got pretty close to a twenty five thirty million dollar loan. We know that she was able to board a private plane. Flights omaha nebraska. She was smart enough to steal eighty thousand dollars from a couple banks so we didn't know what anna was going to do. Next anna sarokin. The so called. Fake german heiress is scheduled to appear in manhattan court on three misdemeanor charges. But the twenty. Six year-old is nowhere to be found. Am calling curran. Texting car and my office is trying to reach. She's not there her attorney. Todd spodek is not the only one looking for anna. The nypd financial crimes task force has a warrant for her arrest canvas. the local hotels that might be staying at to see if she was currently residing there which she was not. We attempted to to track her phone but the phone was off so anytime we try and call the phone. It wouldn't go through detective. Mccaffrey turns to his former friend. Rachel williams for help and after she didn't show up in court. I got a phone call from the nypd and the da's office. Asking if i were to texture whether she'd respond so i did reach out to her. And and over the course of the months that followed had to revoke kind of a trust there and ultimately figure out where she'd gone through a series of text messages. Rachel's able to find out in an-and is somewhere near los angeles is happened slowly was like fast fire conversation that happened over the course of days in california. Then she told me she was in a hospital for every ten questions. I would ask her. She may be answered one day. Something else so. It was hard to get more information. Rachel finally learns than anna has checked into a rehab facility. Unbeknownst to anna. She was giving rachel subtle clues where she was staying. She had referenced tennis court. She had reference the view the ocean. So we're able to deduce which rehab facility And it was staying at police figure out that in true an adobe fashion. She has checked into the most expensive rehab facility. North america in malibu california called passages. I'll sure exactly how and always paying for this very luxurious in high end rehab facility however given her previous criminal history and her grandiose lifestyle it would not surprise me if she had coarser way. It's that facility. With false promises of later payment ultimately i was travelling to la for work and she suggested we meet up by town new york. Detective see their opportunity to pounce and ask rachel to lure an out of rehab for lunch the day before and the day of our lunch date. Choose asking me for favors. Who's asking me to go out and buy vodka and pour it in water bottles and then to bring it in malibu just the complete disconnected -ness of her from the reality of our situation in the way that her behaviour affected other people was so troubling that i just didn't i didn't see any other way agreed to lunch and on that day the los angeles police department who was waiting outside of passages and a left to take a taxi to go. See your friend rachel. And at that point she was arrested and a v is booked into the county jail where she remains for twenty one days without anyone smuggled in vodka or champagne or designer clothes until she is extradited to new york. Detective mccaffrey goes to la and flies her back. I remember putting my handcuffs on her and it was an exhilarating feeling. We put her in. The back of the car. Drove her and i remember This long paradise city by guns and roses was on. And i thought it was so ironic because there was nothing paradise by going to jail in los angeles being flown back to new york and continuing to serve time over there so paradise it ended up fumbling manhattan court photographer. Steven hirsch is there to capture the fallen fake ariza's dramatically return by photograph during the hallway. She was wearing. It looks like a plastic black jumpsuit is really shiny i remember and she looked for dogged and she had her head down and she she. She looked distressed. Anna walked right past her lawyer. Who hasn't seen or heard from her in three weeks. Cinci skipped town so that day. When i found out about the new case the indictment for all the charges and i was surprised to say the least at the time and a fled new york. She was facing three misdemeanor charges now. She's in a world of hurt indicted by a grand jury on six counts of felony fraud and one. Misdemeanor count for theft of services. So i realized that there was a tremendous more details that i had no idea about and that now we're looking at three cases and the exposures quite high once. The chargers are made public. Anna quickly becomes a tabloid internet sensation. Con artists are able to get people to hand everything over willingly. And i think that that's what we're fascinated by because there's an artistry to it. I think it seems a little intoxicating to us. We say oh you know that's really clever. That's kind of cool. No one really got hurt. So you kind of admire them. Almost this was part of her mystique once. She got her foot in the door with a few celebrities. A few influencers a few key fashioned people. All of a sudden people could look at that and say ooh. I want to be in those pictures. I want that to be me but will a jury be sympathetic to annum. That is the question for her attorney. Todd spodek as he tries to convince her that a plea bargain is in her best interest and a however has other ideas out his decision. Wise listen i want to go to trial and as a criminal defense lawyer. You're kind of stuck between a rock and hard place because even if you feel that a plea bargain is best. It's a client's choice. Ultimately i've never seen a con artist. Want to take a plea deal. Because that's not what they're about. They are about showmanship and they haven't overblown sense of confidence. If she took the plea deal it would have been page twelve in the newspaper so she got one more shot in the spotlight. Which i think think. She wanted on march twentieth two thousand and nineteen the trial of an adobe sarokin. The fake german opens at manhattan superior court in earlier court appearances. Anna wears prison issued brown sweatsuits but for trial she steps up fashion game hiring a celebrity stylist to create her coat. Room looks never without her signature. Chunky black selene glasses and his daily outfits often include a black choker and some of the world's most expensive designer clothing brands would turn around and look in the courtroom. Wanna see who. Was there kind of people with their cover and but it was really about the close. It was the walk in the walk in was the most important shot. Because then you got the full life. It was all about the folk made arrangements for stylists to help her because there was nobody else over so the media picked up on it that she's just not concerned about the case then she thought this was the met gala awards. And she's coming. They're all dolled up in reality. Who else was going to pick up the close. According to her attorney todd spodek. Most of the legal fees are being funded by an advance from net flicks and his life rights and the story of the fake german eras gets even bigger with face splashed across the tabloids and graham accounts dedicated to her fashion choices. Anna sarokin appears unbothered. By at all it was very hard to understand what was going on inside her head. One day she had held up the jury for our one morning and they were very frustrated and the judge was frustrated and her attorney explained that she wasn't happy with her outfit and then when she did come into court that day she just immediately bumped her glasses started crying and it was one of the rare moments that i ever saw any emotion. Come out of her and reaction. The prosecution present a roster to powerful people are fashion and finance. Who all take the stand to testify about their interactions with the young woman. They knew as anna v one of the things that was apparent to me from all the testimony was how she established credibility. She started to hang out with the right people. She seemed to have a knack for knowing who to impress who to buy dinner. For who device champagne bottles for and so in a sense she did establish credibility because she had that pattern of paying for things for so long with whatever means she was using. So i feel like there was enough of a mixture of her false representations and cunning that drew people in and kept them there and kept them believing she has a lot of money and she's got even more coming to her and his former friend ray to williams also takes the stand being on the witness. Stand was one of the rights of his entire experience. Being cross examined by anna's lawyer you know he had his job cut out for him. There is a massive paper trail. Like i have so many text messages. Were anna's admitting that she owes me this money or you know it's all black and white. It's there the evidence. Is there during the time leading up to trial. Williams has published an article about her experience in vanity fair received advanced for her book. My friend and and sold her story to hbo and is attorney. Paints her as an opportunist who has benefited greatly from her friendship with anna and who was able to settle these sixty two thousand dollars moroccan vacation charges. I argued that unfortunate things occurred. But it's not a crime and that rachel on her own volition chose to pay for this hotel. She didn't have to and the fact that she was ripped off happens. Lots of people get ripped off for lots of things but it's not a crime. The right is to sewer civilly in the civil lawsuit and sewer. His only approach toward me was to try to ask my character to paint me as an opportunist. I think also having it feel still so raw. I probably wasn't as articulate at explaining reality of events. I was mostly just emotional after deliberating for two days the jury finds a guilty on five of the seven grand jury charges including theft of services for failing to pay for private jet rental and attempt to commit grand larceny in the first degree for trying to falsely secure. Twenty two million dollar loan from city national bank. She is found not guilty of attempt to commit grand larceny for trying to acquire a twenty five million dollar loan from fortress investment group and not guilty of stealing sixty two thousand dollars from rachel williams for their lavish trip to morocco. She took the car out and paid for the hotel. Nobody forced her to nobody made her to. It's unfortunate and i meant to it but it's not a crime and i think the jury believed that israel and acquitted honor for that. I was devastated. I you know. I was not okay for a second there. When we left new york she was never going to be the one paying for that trap and changes at the second. She gave me a non functioning credit cards to try and book. The flights became very clear that the tables are turned and i became the one having to take the fall for that and rogan returns to court to learn her fate. She really came off like she didn't care if you just saw her. If you've zurve chair. She looked like she was detached from it all even on the final day when there was this very harsh sentencing that was being read and the judge asked her if she wanted to say anything certainly had no wait to it. It was not believable at all. The judge goes on to sentence surge of four to twelve years in prison and ordered to pay two hundred thousand dollars in restitution and twenty four thousand dollar fine. When her sentence is completed sarokin will be deported to germany. After that is anyone's guess but todd spodek believes that whatever it is climbed dozen the future will surely be memorable. Think she'll be on the real housewives of munich or something along those lines. I don't i don't know what her future plans are. But she'll go back to germany. And i think that for my experience with and i think that she will go on to do something really big and exciting and i think we'll all be watching and hopefully really be able to take this situation. Turn into something fabulous. The story of the fake german errors has inspired a net flix project by shonda rhimes and one for hbo created by lena dunham anna sarokin is also working on a book to rocard was advised by her attorney to decline comment for the detective. Who was instrumental in putting on a broken behind bars. There is but one takeaway from this story if you want to be rich. Try to hurt work. Hard don't commit crimes. You commit financial crimes especially new york city. We're gonna catch you. We're gonna find you. You're going to face justice. Thanks for listening to the american read. Podcast presented by cnbc. I'm stacey q.

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S1E5: The Suspect

Case Closed

24:05 min | 2 years ago

S1E5: The Suspect

"In order to support this show will need the help of some great advertisers. And that means we'll need to learn a little bit more about you. So you can help the show by taking a quick anonymous survey to help us get to know, you a little better. Once you've completed the survey you can enter for a chance to win a one hundred dollars Amazon gift card, terms and conditions apply. Find the survey at pod survey dot com slash case closed. That's P O D S. You are the E Y dot com slash case closed. Thanks now. Enjoy this week's episode. Welcome case closed a show about the times, the bad guy didn't get away with it the times the goodguys. Discover exactly who the killer is and has sometimes that's just the beginning of the story. I'm Charlie Spicer. Last episode. We took you inside the search for Erin. Corwin body, hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement officers spent eight weeks and over five thousand hours searching for Aaron in the end her body was found at the bottom of a mine shaft in the desert near Joshua tree national park. The discovery of Erin's body was a big deal and not just because the search had been so difficult without a body. It would have been almost impossible to convict errands killer. And shortly after she went missing, the San Bernardino county sheriff's office was almost positive. They knew who killed Erin. Corwin. As Erin prepared to leave her apartment early on the morning of June twenty eight two thousand fourteen she wasn't the only one getting ready on jasmine drive. Since his fair with Aaron had been revealed that spring Christly and his wife, Nicole had been planning to go back to Alaska when his military contract ended. Now, Chris was in his final days his time in the marines would end July seventh as his time in California wound down Chris decided to take one last trip to the desert and so the morning of June twenty eighth in the apartment next door to Aaron's. Christly was also getting ready for a day and Joshua tree national park. He talked about hunting coyotes and blowing up a mine shaft. An experienced hunter. He carried a twenty two Winchester rifle to his car on the way back from the carport. He ran into Connor Malecki and asked if Connor wanted to go coach hunting, author Shanna HOGAN recalls the interaction. In the bag. Chris Jeeves, Connor noticed something odd. There was a propane tank. And at one point Connor ask Chris what he was planning to do with that. And Chris Mead, like a weird smile and said I'm going to flow stuff up or I'm going to have fun. Chris had visited the same abandoned areas. Six days earlier with a friend Joseph the pair spent the one hundred degree day wandering, the desert taking pictures of rattlesnake Chris killed of dilapidated brick cabin and of the mineshafts. It was the mine shafts that particularly interested Chris he got into his car and headed to highway sixty to the main route to the national park at eight sixteen AM his phone buzzed with text from Connor. Conor calls. Chris back and says, hey, I can meet up with you. And So Chris gives him in directions of where he'll be. But then he tells Connor that he's turning off his phone tell Nicole his phone will be on airplane mode. And so Conor gets an his car, and he had down to look for Chris and spends hours searching the desert trying to find him trying to meet up with him calling texting repeatedly. And Chris never answers his phone. And he never finds Chris. When Chris turned his phone back on around three thirty. He had missed calls from his wife and from Connor Chris calls Connor back and has this elaborate story that says he got lost. She got turned around. He his phone was off. And at one point some guy started shooting at him, and he got freaked out and drove back to the apartment complex, and when they meet back up in the apartment complex, the first thing Connor notices is that they're the propane tank is gone. When Chris got back to the apartment complex, Nicole was hyperventilating. And having an asthma attack. She was very freaked out where he had been this whole time what had taken so long why he wasn't answering his phone and Chris calmed her down, and they ended up getting takeout and eating dinner with their daughter. Elsewhere on jasmine, Dr Chris was not the only one who had been out of touch. John meanwhile, has seen no sign of Erin. He used been calling her like more than fifty times texting her leading voicemail after the sun started to go down. He got really worried whereas Aaron where is she? Why isn't she called him? Why did she return to the apartment complex? And he spends a sleepless night holding his phone worried about Aaron and then the next morning he wakes up, and he calls the sheriff's department and reports are missing. A pregnant woman lost in the desert during the summer was considered high priority for the San Bernardino county sheriff's department it wasn't unusual for hikers to get lost in Joshua tree. And every year, dozens were rescued and another handful died from dehydration exposure to the elements accidents and even the occasional murder. The sheriff's department comes and campuses the apartment complex, and when they first see Chris they asked him about Aaron, and he says, I didn't really know her. Well, I did talk to her the most we had exchanged a word just simple passing by in the hallway, you know, a high here in a high there. Ally. One that was quickly corrected when the detectives made their next up at asking and Connor Malecki apartment Aveling told the police Chris and Aaron had been having an affair that had ended in the spring. But when the detectors went back to Chris's apartment, he was gone. As lon- calls, Nicole later that day and says, where's where's Aaron guys know what happened to Aaron and Nicole freaks out on her and says, I don't care what happens to that little bitch and hangs up the phone. Nicole? Lease phone was not the only one ringing as the detectives continued canvassing the apartment complex, errands, mother Lor got a call at home in Tennessee. What was your first thought that might have happened to her? Well, noting that she had absolutely no sense of direction. I seemed she was lost. Laura was about to visit Aaron in twenty nine palms, the two had made plans. She knew her daughter would not just run off. Probably the last part of our conversation was talking about all the things she wanted me to cook. And making sure that she made the grocery list outright. So she would have all the ingredients. And all those ingredients in her kitchen. More knew that something wasn't right. She booked a flight to California the next morning as her mind raised about what might have happened to her daughter. She realized there was someone who might be able to help. Anybody had had any contract with earns would have been just so I didn't need Paul the sheriff the and poked him I felt let's just he could give them information. Jesse Trenton with errands best friend, they were in constant communication talking on the phone texting. And Erin toll Jesse everything about her relationship with Chris about the troubles in her marriage with John even about her new pregnancy. Jesse was good at keeping Aaron secrets. But by that night, Jesse would reveal all when we come back from the break. I want to tell you about another podcast. You might like it's called unsolved unsolved is hosted by reporter Gina Barton at the Milwaukee journal sentinel this season, she investigates mysterious murder dating back twenty years. The victim was a Catholic priest named fryer. Alfred coons someone slit his throat inside his parish school in nineteen ninety eight fryer coons was very attached to ancient traditions, and he even did exercises. The colorful set of suspects includes marine claiming to be clear voyage and a man who feared the end of the world. You'll also get to hear audio of fryer coons before his death. Learn why his beliefs and the group of people he called friends made his murder so hard to solve checkout unsolved season, three the devil. You know on. Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. This episode is supported by the new thriller the Moroccan girl by Charles coming. 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As the San Bernardino county sheriff's department began investigating Erin Corwin disappearance the day after she went missing they talked to everyone errands husband, John, her neighbors her mother lore. But there was one person who was in communication with Aaron more than anyone else. Her best friend Jesse Trentham Jesse knew everything about Aaron including her secrets. But when the police I contacted Jesse she didn't tell them everything Jesse is really nervous at first. She knows that she would be revealing her friends deepest darkest secrets she fears what Aaron will say to her when she returns back, but she realizes how serious the situation is. I Jesse was just hinting when she talked to the sheriff's department hinting that they should go talk to Chris that Chris might know more. And when the sheriff revealed that Chris's back that they had actually talked to him, and he had denied actually even knowing Aaron than Jesse got extremely alarmed. I onto my head is where is she? Why are you here why she? She knew that if Chris was back at Aaron was not with Chris than something was very very wrong. And so she revealed everything. Jesse told the police the affair between Aaron and Chris had never ended Aaron believed she was pregnant with Chris's baby. When Erin Grenell. She was pregnant did she did she think it was Christmas? Or did you think might be John's? Shame. Sure, she knew like personal chores, and she told Chris Redway and actually told him because. Chris new abet the baby and not only that Aaron toll Jesse that Chris wanted to take her somewhere special has the surprise to celebrate her being pregnant. They plan to spend the whole day together. So when Aaron went to Josh between national park on June twenty eighth she was planning to meet Chris and on Monday June thirtieth. The detectives found errands, abandoned, blue Corolla about five miles outside Joshua tree. We find out that they found her car without her. Oh my gosh. And that's when I knew something had happened because we were going to go to see world we were going to go to San Diego zoo, shingle, never given that stuff. That's given that trip up after they find your car. What you're thinking the worst at that point. Or I'm new that's something. Had happened. I knew that she was no longer in the picture. You know, and she would text me of calming. Oh daily, you know, multiple times, you know, we would have contact frequently throughout the day, and I had texted her on Saturday, and she never responded. And you know, did hear from on Sunday, and you know, nothing day, and then they find her car, and she just wasn't going to go that long without contact with me. As detectives continued working on the case, they weighed what they knew Aaron had been having an affair. She had been planning to meet her lover on the morning. She went missing and she believed she was pregnant with his child, but she was also married to another man. A man who had waited a full day to alert police that his pregnant wife was missing. The detectives right away are wondering could John have had anything to do with it too Tino about the affair. And did he kill his own wife? So the police are questioning John, and I he seems very quiet and they're wondering if he has something to hide they wonder why it took him so long to alert police why they didn't why he didn't call that night and tell police that she was missing. At the same time the suspicion around the marine base is to John something to his wife on Facebook. He's being attacked and painted as a killer around the marine base. People are giving him dirty looks and looking at him suspiciously. But it was another marine who the San Bernardino county sheriff's department considered the prime suspect Christopher Lee, and they decided to bring him to the police station for an interview Chris admitted to the affair blaming his depression. But he maintained that the relationship was largely emotional. Hockey. With my wife. In the ninth is this. But she's she's. Time heals cheese secret. So delver missing Chris. Chris was adamant that the affair had not been sexual that it had been over for months, and that Erin was a pathological liar who manipulated him into thinking. Her husband abused her. Johnson. Abusive. Games. Hitting firs. Should remind me lender. France. It is true or not. That monday. Maybe it's lecturer of. Basis vast safer. At first they when they're talking to Chris they're being gentle. They're asking him questions about his life. You know, they're trying to give them out and say, you know, I know you might not want to mitt to the affair because you don't want to get in trouble with your wife and with the marines, and then the police confront him that it looks like his tire tracks have been parked right next to her vehicle. The date is we don't. Also that. People see her. Other other. What? Wins. Author. Yes, problems you Lou. I'm trying to write leader really cold way. Gazers people author reason known reason drive by that knowing. I don't believe that you were able to. When something happened. Through getting. We're. When you find her. That. For the first time Chris admits that he didn't see Erin that day that she went missing. But he did see her car. He claimed that he was driving to Joshua tree national park for his Coyote hunt, and he passed by her car pulled over saw that she wasn't in it and then continue to drive away. Chris remains steadfast. He had seen the car, but he had nut seen Erin that day. But when the detectives asked if he would be willing to take a lie detector test, he said, no. Before he left. Detectives s Chris if there was anything else, they should know. Playing his buddy out every single message. That was said. They asked Chris if they would find anything suspicious on his phone and tell him it's best that he reveal it because they're going to find whatever he was doing on his phone. And So Chris does reveal that he had made some suspicious searches for how to dispose of a body. Rattling agrees. But. Which is. Reason. His. There is. Result. Pays was. Are you serious heard? Holy crap. After a five hour interrogation. Police sent Chris home. Although his story didn't add up without a body. It would be almost impossible to charge him with errands murder. Few days later, Chris Nicole, Lee, left twenty nine poems on July seventh the last day of his marine contract. Chris was officially honorably discharged from the marines. The lease packed up their belongings and headed back to Anchorage Alaska. And that might have been but police kept working on the case eventually tracking down the friend Joseph who had gone along with Chris on the trip where he initially explored the old money district and investigators also stayed determined to find errands body. And when they finally did they were ready on Monday, August eighteenth in Anchorage, Chris, and Nicole Lee, we're driving his mother Chevy suburban back to his parents house when they saw red and blue lights flashing in the rear view mirror. Next time on case closed. Have a pigeon. When you're you're not they're hearing all the evidence and everything they did they can find jobs so obvious that his attorney transitive after on her. He would not find it. They would have to make something up and they did. And they did. Case closed is a production of MacMillan podcasts. The show is produced by Katie Ferguson with help from Bheki Cele Stena Camilla Salazar Sarah grill and Alissa Martinez. Huge thanks to Shanna HOGAN to learn more about Erin Corwin story. Pick up a copy of Shannon's new book secrets of marines wife now available at any bookstore, whereas an audience we'll be back with a new episode next Tuesday. I'm Charlie Spicer. Thanks so much for listening.

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The Dangerous Products on Amazon

The Journal.

21:24 min | 2 years ago

The Dangerous Products on Amazon

"This episode of the journal is brought to you by merrill. Get personalized investment advice and guidance to help. Put your plans into action. What would you like the powered to learn more at merrill dot com <music> the wall street journal reporter justin check her story about albert stokes from albert's mother. Our christy so albert stokes was a young man who's twenty three years old yet read kawasaki motorcycle. It was like his thing his mother you live with at the time was a nurse and she said she had seen people come into emergency rooms with a carbon head injuries and she said to him. You know if you're gonna live in my house and have a motorcycle order cycle. You need to wear a helmet meets. The department of transportation standards federal safety standards for motorcycle helmets stir was very important horton. Thing albert listened to his mom. He went looking for a safe motorcycle helmet one that would protect him from the head injuries. She was worried about a how much that meant department of transportation standards and the place he ended up looking for it was on amazon. The helmet albert got was a the black helmet with it with the white atlanta falcons logo on it was favorite football team and it also sticker that said d._o._t. Which is indicate that it's in compliance with department of transportation location standards so on june third of two thousand fourteen not too long after he got his helmet albert stokes decided to go out for a ride and they live in missouri in a fairly sparsely populated part of the state he drove out on the bike in this country road and according to you his mother and to various legal documents ford ranger pulled out in front of him and there was no way for him to avoid the truck and he hit it go about thirty miles an hour which isn't super fast but at some point during the course of the crash his helmet either came off or failed and he hit his head his mother christine she got a call saying that her son had been a crash and so she jumped at her car you're and drove right to the scene to the site of the crash and she says it she got up over the hill and saw the police cars and the <hes> truck in the motorcycle industry and her son laid out on the highway and his helmet was not on him and he was dead. So what did she think at the time. Did she tell you. She said she was sort of in shock but also she immediately went into what you call like like investigator mode no. She felt that amazon was reputable place yet helmet because she knew a lot of people who bought motorcycle helmets they are. They <unk> advertise a lot of the missing to sell a lot of them so she wanted to try to figure out what happened. Albert mom cristea cristea did figure out what happened. It turns out that the helmet her son was wearing even though it was sold on amazon. It wasn't sold by amazon. It came from a third party seller on the website and that helmet did not meet d._o._t. Standards the listing on the amazon lied. This helmet is just one of many products sold on amazon is on that fail safety standards for several months investigative reporters at the wall street journal have been taking a hard look at the products sold on amazon's amazon's website and found thousands of things on the site that would not make it onto the shelves of big box retailers things like supplements up laments that contained illegally imported prescription drugs serums that aren't approved for use by the f._d._a. And pillows for babies is that have been linked to suffocation today on the show. How do these products get on amazon site and what is amazon amazon doing opponent welcome to the journal our show about money business and power. I'm caitlyn baugh aw it's friday august twenty third amazon has evolved allot over the years it started as a company where you would go on it and you would buy something from amazon and i think a lot of ways that still the company that people i think that they're buying from an amazon has really really been able to leverage that but more and more and more amazon is not the same company that it was investigative reporter. Alexandra bergson is part of the wall street journal team that uncovered these problematic items on amazon years ago amazon made a decision a decision and that opened itself up to riskier products but also opened itself up to opportunity. It decided to allow third party sellers on the site. I spoke spoke to many former employees and that idea of selection this this idea that we just want to offer as many products as possible is a very core philosophy at the company the ideal was that you have these people buy on amazon as consumers and they they're already buying with you and they trust you and then then you have the third party sellers come onto the platform and then soda those customers will now you have much more selection they can offer lower prices and then you get more people wanna by on amazon and then you get more sellers on amazon and it's like this cycle that continues to grow the company. This philosophy became known at amazon as the virtuous this cycle and so far. It's showed results. Nearly sixty percent. A physical merchandise sales on amazon is by third party sellers and that happened because amazon made it really easy to be a seller on its site. You basically just have to sign up and when you do your products get the whole aw look and feel of amazon. The experience of getting the product is still going to feel like it's coming from amazon so when you go on amazon everything looks like amazon says amazon amazon all over the place in various small letters it says the name of the actual sellers selling you the item there are a few amazon logos that third party sellers have on their product pages amazon prime amazon fulfilled and something called amazon's choice amazon says that amazon's choice is is determined by an algorithm based on things like ratings and shipping time but for many people who are shopping on the site it can give products a legitimacy mri that might lead them to buy something they otherwise would not so therese type policies of women <hes> outside of dallas and she had a young the child he was about sixteen months old in march and she bought him a set of toy instruments that are for toddlers. These are like toddler hodler instrument sets that are very brightly colored and they're kind of enticing they have many many parts to them is their complicated they have lake little bells and they have the faces some of them on the customer and they have <hes> eggs that you can shake in her son was playing playing with the cast nets and with xylophone and liked the toy okay but i guess it wasn't his favorite toy but <hes> did did play with it quite a bit. How was is it described on the amazon. Lifting it was amazon's choice. The amazon website says that it's a toddler musical instruments sat and it says that it's nontoxic and high quality materials made of high quality nontoxic material safe and reliable for little children. These instruments are made with lead free paint c. P. c. certified a._s. e._s._p._n. Certified an f._d._a. Approved now one of the funny things about this is f._d._a. Approved because the f._d._a. does not approve toys the food and drug drug administration yeah but at any rate she noticed that it had the safety kind of certifications. She thought that you know had must be that. It was made in america <hes> and that it had you know all the proper safety batting <hes> the fact that she was buying it on amazon felt really comfortable with that. This toy is is one of ten children's products that the wall street journal sent to a federally certified lab for testing many of the items were promoted as amazon's choice and according to greece so was the instrument set the labyrinth a bunch of tests one of which was for lead content and it found that one of the xylophone pieces had four four times the lead limit. She was stirring surprised now. Obviously we didn't test the exact set that her son used so we can't really say anything with certainty to that exact set but she was alarmed by that and <hes> she said you know he's a toddler. He puts things in his mouth. So she threw the set away after we talked to her and what did the amazon do in particular with this when presented with this information about about this <hes> musical set we told amazon amazon and initially they said we actually have test results for this which they often don't have so in this case they did have <hes> test results from this company and they said our testers will don't show what your test results show so we they did not take it down at state up for quite a while after i notified them of this later on they came back and said you know what we're just going to take it down and we're gonna look. We're gonna ask for more information so as of now. I believe it's no longer listed on the site four of the toys that the journal sent for testing head some safety issues according to the testing company three of them. I'm exposed sharp points and peace that broke off the fourth was small enough to be considered a hazardous two very young kids after the journal shared the results of these tests us with amazon. The company removed the products from its site. Amazon said one product is being relisted after it received a report showing that the a toy pass tests for federal safety standards who the journals wide ranging investigation found other potentially dangerous dangerous products on amazon's website as well there were hundreds of products for sale by third party sellers that had been declared unsafe by federal agencies cease and the investigation found thousands of products that are deceptively labeled the journal also found products on amazon that have been banned by federal uh-huh regulators or by amazon itself what our findings show is that many many things are slipping through so their systems are not adequate if they are to prevent items from being sold that are unsafe. All all of these findings raise the question. What is amazon doing to control. Its rapidly growing marketplace. That's after the break in this episode of the journal is is brought to you by merrill whether your life goals include getting to that dream project or shaping your legacy merrill can help turn your ambitions into action with personalized investment asman advice and guidance. What would you like the power to do. Learn more at merrill dot com investing in securities involves risks and there is always the potential of losing money merrill makes available products and services offered by merrill lynch pierce fenner and smith incorporated a registered broker dealer member s._i._p._c. <music>. Welcome back according to former amazon employees. The company hasn't had effective affective systems to vet product safety in twenty eleven years after third party sellers started using the platform a team of three oversaw so safety for the entire site at that time alexandra's sources told her they used a formula on an excel spreadsheet to track recalled products and then reference that list to see what needed to be manually removed as the marketplace grew. They tried other methods to keep unsafe products off the site. The one we know about it's twenty thirteen there was a small experiment done to do testing at the actual site of the warehouses so they went in with metal scanners owners and they actually found according to the former employees we talked to they found about ten percent of the products that they tested had <hes> high lead content and and they went to higher level employees that basically looked at this and said okay. This is a problem and we'll take these down. We'll make sure not selling these products but if we apply this to the the entire site it's such a massive thing like the scale is so large so they ended up not really moving forward with a a program in response to that amazon declined to comment on that episode but now the company uses machine learning and artificial intelligence intelligence to look for unsafe and fake products and that a._i. Tool blocked three billion items from the site last year. Amazon now has hundreds hundreds of employees working on safety. When alexandra and the team showed amazon their findings the company took down or altered the wording on the listings listings of more than eighty percent of the products the journal flag they said safety is a top priority at amazon the spokeswoman that we spoke to from amazon on wanted to be clear that while they are saying we want to be the most consumer centric company in the world and we want to have a lot of selection and we wouldn't have lower prices but we do take issue with you saying that we're doing that at the cost of safety and we don't think that's true still the unsafe products that the journal found on amazon's the website would be a lot harder to find on the shelves of a more traditional retailer like walmart or target and that's because amazon operates differently. It argues that it's not in the same category as those retailers. It sees itself more like a landlord. If you go to marrakech morocco got it owed city famous for its very large open air market and there's hundreds of hundreds of stalls and there's like a snake charmer and a guy sung a leopard skin dan and then you know it's like going in buying a leopard skin from bazaar in marrakesh and then when you find out it's like just a cow skin like expre- painted with with spots. Generally you sue the person responsible for selling directly not the landlord. The question of whether amazon is is actually like the landlord or it's more like the actual seller has come up before because when there are issues with the product someone bought on amazon. Sometimes they'll take their complaints directly to the company like christie stokes the mom of the man who died in the motorcycle crash. She sued the driver of the truck. The company that made the helmet and amazon the claims that these people bought a helmet on amazon and then the guy died and they're trying to lambson liable. Amazon's lawyer says amazon did not sell the helmet so i call the lawyer frampton. He said m.'s didn't sell the helmet. In the sense that ams platform the company that sold the helmet was third party that listed it for sale amazon amazon facilitated the purchase by being the place where the helmet was advertised and advertised falsely is being compliant with with transportation standards but the third party is responsible for the surveys for students on on safe third parties responsible for the helmet so so they claim that amazon had liability but then not too long after amazon settled with the stokes family for five thousand dollars. I'm john agreed to pay them. Five thousand dollars to settle the case in the stokes agreed to this this stokes reading to a low number. It struck me as a number seat. If we lower than expect to see in a in a case alleging that someone told you something that led to a person's death the judge in the case did order the company that imported imported and sold the helmet to pay one point nine million dollars to mr stokes family members but his mother said that they have not received any of the money but in the case against amazon specifically the amazon lawyer said that the next step in the federal lawsuit was to file what's called the motion for summary judgment which is equipped to a motion to dismiss and the lawyer said he's fees for preparing motion would have cost more than the five thousand dollars so it was. It's cheaper to pay the family five thousand dollars and it would have been to continue to pay to defend the lawsuit. Why did the family accept it. I think their lawyers were not confident. They would win the motion for summary judgment in most cases where someone attempted to hold on liable in a situation like this the courts ruled that they were platform and not subject to say my ability is like a store. This may be changing the court cases have taken up the issue of amazon's liability. A federal court in pennsylvania recently said it amazon could be considered considered a seller because the company hasn't made it easy for customers to find ensued third parties and because the court said amazon does have have the ability to prevent unsafe items from getting on the site items like the helmet albert stokes was wearing in the national highway transportation safety administration nitsa the attest of the helmet a similar helmet to the one that albert stokes war seem the exact same model same model and they tested one of them and they found that it cracked open on contact and was not compliant with the safety standards said to recall and this was announced in july by by nitsa july this year joy this year yeah yeah even after the recall we found that the helmet was still listed for on amazon my colleague shiffling who who was the data guy behind all this saw the exact models had been recalled with was still for sale so nitsa this federal agency recalls the helmet and the helmet was still for sale on amazon after the recall yes and so then shane told amazon well you know we found this recall helmet for sale on site and amazon actually removed the helmet for sale after we told holding about it about a week later we then searched for it again and later on found that it was for sale by a different seller <hes> who listeners out of stock but it was still listed as as an item on the site. We're just a couple of people sitting in a newsroom. She's one guy sitting in a neutral. He's not using. He's not using in any of the sophisticated methods of the company has to identify these things and he's able to find them so makes me wonder why amazon can identify the stuff as soon as it goes up or a soon submits the listing so it surprised me a little bit to see it on the site after the journal final again flagged that the recalled helmet was still for sale amazon removed and that's all for today friday august twenty third in the journal is a co production of gimblett and the wall street journal your host for myself caitlyn baugh and ryan knutson who was on vacation this week ryan look forward forward to having you back. We're produced by ricky novitsky. Sarah platinum will aruban our senior. Producer is gut cari. Anne rose strasser is our supervising producer. Griffin tanner is our engineer gerard. Cole is our executive producer. Our music comes from haley shop. Bobby lord marcus begala from gimblett and blue dot sessions the additional reporting from karrada pana patrick thomas and shane shiftless. Thanks for listening. See you on monday.

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How to reopen colleges

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

25:38 min | 1 year ago

How to reopen colleges

"A somewhat personal question if I might. Are you spending a lot of money right now? I'll explain from American public media. This is marketplace Los Angeles. I'm Kai Rozelle. It is Wednesday today. The twenty seventh day of Mega is always to have you along everybody. We begin with a reading. Our text is the Federal Reserve eight times a year survey of the American economy. Broken down along. Regional Lines one region for each of its district banks. It's colloquially known as the Beige Book for the color of its hard copy cover before of course we all started reading it online anyway. Today is Beige Book Day. And as you might imagine the readings we have chosen for. You are grim. Here is the very first line. Economic activity declined in all districts falling sharply in most also consumer spending fell further and the outlook remained highly uncertain and most context were pessimistic about the potential pace of recovery. But there was also this securing. P P P loans helped many businesses limit or avoid layoffs which makes our lead story today all the more relevant. The House is set to vote this week on a bill. That would relax or adjust a whole lot of the complicated rules of the paycheck protection program. The aforementioned two PP marketplace's Justin Ho. He has been on the story from the beginning. Checked in with some small business owners to see what they are thinking. If this want their PCs loans forgiven they have to spend the money in eight weeks. Tiffany Turner the CO founder of Adrift Hospitality. Which runs five hotels in Washington? State says there's a problem with that recovery is GonNa tell a longer than eight weeks. In fact you know most of us are still going to be in a crisis but now eight weeks is up. Turner says she's worried. She'll have to lay people off after eight weeks. Given how hard the pandemic has hit her industry. The House bill would give businesses. Sixteen additional weeks suspended PCS money. Turner says that would go a long way toward getting her loan forgiven something. She was counting on when she took it. There's so much uncertainty about the next twelve to eighteen months that taking on any additional. That is just bad business. At this point the proposal would also do away with the requirement that businesses been seventy five percent of their PCs loans on payroll. That would free up money for inventory. Rents and other loan payments Vermont. Restaurant owner mark. Fryer says he needs more flexibility especially if he gets more time to spend the loan money as you stand out the time we're going to continue to have those fixed costs of rent and utilities. If alone isn't forgiven the house bill would extend the amount of time businesses. Have the pay it off from two years to five fire. Says THAT WOULD HELP. Bring down his monthly payments. But they'd still be pretty steep mine. Drop them twenty five thousand to ten thousand a month but that's still represents basically my profitability for years if businesses want their loans fully forgiven. They still have to bring back their employee. Headcounts that head. The accounting firm harmony group. He says overall the extensions would give businesses more time to figure out how to do that. You'll be able to plan and if you're not gonna get your whole forgiveness you can plan for that. Hedrick says these changes would help reduce the confusion that surrounded the program from day one and would help companies accomplish the goal of the PGA loans keeping employees working. I'm Justin how for marketplace. Okay we are going to get a little weedy here. A little wonky as one is obliged to do from time to time so apologies in advance. We ended yesterday with a vocabulary quiz noting that we will get a key measurement of inflation in this economy. How much prices are going up at the end of the Week? We had asked you the difference between deflation falling prices over time. Yes I'm giving you the answers and this inflation which is a slowdown in the rate of inflation. Actually falling prices versus prices. Going up more slowly. Anyway we did that to get to this today. One of the things that can contribute to inflation a quick primer here now on something called the velocity of money the turnover of money. How much money gets spent from person to businesses and businesses to businesses? That's Kathy Bus Jan. Six she's chief financial economist at Oxford Economics. Talking literally about the speed of money in this economy over time. So let's talk about these times. Shall we consumer demand is low which means consumer spending is down which means the velocity of money is down? So if it's down the money going lease seen an increase in precautionary saving. So the savings rate has gone from you know roughly a little bit below eight percent to about thirteen percent in just the last few months the savings rate in this country right now the highest it's been since nineteen seventy five course. It is easy to save when so many businesses are closed. But they're also worried probably of what the future holds so for now they're greatly increasing the savings rate over. Things will pick up slowly to be sure after we've all been locked up just going down to the local store. Seems like a big outing right or going to our local restaurant. There's a big leap from that to say booking your holiday to Hawaii and so the moral of the story is the money is going to be moving pretty slowly in this economy for Awhile. That takes a whole `nother level of confidence that you know we just don't think there an won't be there for some period of time are thanks to Cathy. Bus JEN SIX OXFORD ECONOMICS FOR WALKING US. Through that one. Today's random walk on Wall Street was to the buy side. We'll have the details when we do the numbers not far behind those PC loans at Justin was talking about in the realm of keeping people spending in an economy. Where so much has been disrupted? Those have been the unemployment benefits that were part of the cares act catches. There is some unclarity about who is eligible and how much they are. Eligible for in those unemployment benefits Uber Drivers have sued the State of New York for failure to pay benefits in a timely manner from the workplace culture. As marketplace's Megan McCarthy Carino explains it all goes back to that long. Running debate over whether those workers are employees or independent contractors concern about Cova nineteen lead dose. Do Atara to stop driving for Uber and lift in mid March. He's got three kids including a newborn. At the beginning of April he applied for unemployment and almost two months later. Nothing no check so like they. Iran thing car insurance stopped paying for bills. You know just focus of saving that money for groceries. Atara is one of the plaintiffs in the New York. Case but delayed unemployment isn't limited to that state. We're going the exact situation here Nicole. More was a part-time lift driver in Los Angeles. Who's now working with a group? Rideshare drivers united to help drivers who have to run the gauntlet of California on employment. I Cho- drivers are waiting two and sometimes three months and they still aren't getting the right answers. The confusion stems from the fact that there are now two different types of unemployment benefits state unemployment for W. Two employees and what's called pandemic assistance a new temporary federal program for people like independent contractors. Who Don't usually qualify for the regular kind. The problem is that there are a lot of workers whose status as W. Two employees or independent contractors is contested. Brian Chen is with the National Employment Law Project. He says court cases in New York and a law in California would force GIG platforms like Uber and lift to classify their drivers as regular employees. So don't Tara. In New York and many drivers in California applied for regular unemployment cases. Their employer insists that they're contractor an eligible only for this temporary pandemic unemployment assistance. Uber and lift and several other companies are still challenging court decisions and laws that classified drivers as full employees so they haven't paid into the system but fulltime drivers usually qualify for smaller benefits on the temporary pandemic on employment. I'm Megan mccurdy Carino for marketplace. The global economy is of course global. So we are checking in with people globally for our series. What's up that's what's up world world for today's installment. We are calling Marrakech Morocco things in lockdown since March the Twentieth Yusuf. Hello how are you this? I read all in Los Angeles. Thank you for taking the time to talk to us today. It's a pleasure you said. Bus owns a grocery store in Marrakesh. Took it over from his dad about six years ago. Lots of tourist traffic he says also locals and businesses manage percent of my customers are Restaurants guest houses and coffee under the adaptation percent is just local customers who actually in the area and come and make their buying once a month so I asked him what the last two and a half months have been like. I mean the authorities started by shutting down schools Dan Ritz Rooms. Then Moss. Then all of a sudden Just get like that. The hotels and guest houses. Our business is get them so much on untreated him that he had no choice but to shut down to. Yeah are you. Are you going to be able to make it? I mean if shutdown since March the twentieth right April. May It's nine something weeks. It also includes The end of the end of Ramadan. Or are you going to be able to get by? I think well what I thought was good for me. You know losing down the store in order to you know charging and then I have to Work things out you know. And think of other strategies like delivering people or you know changing you know stores managed that the the most important thing for me is now he's just survive know You said you took the store over from your father right. Yeah about six years ago. Yeah so what is your father. Think about everything that's going on. What actually because I'm living with my parents and well meaning open about everything you know and honestly look into like a similar situations before. My Daddy was about to close the shop. That's when I showed up and has the mouse with the things so I kinda familiar with the situation for like this houses. Now they're close the restaurants difficult to get back to business when I compare myself then I'm I'm lucky I'm pretty confident. And bring them that. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA make more good. I I hope you do Use above us his a grocer in Marrakesh. Moraga said thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. You're welcome welcome Coming up so. This is actually a disinfectant Matt. Here a safety precaution hidden in plain sight. But first let's do the numbers Dow industrial's up five hundred fifty three points today. Two point two percent closed at twenty five thousand five forty eight. The Nasdaq up. Seventy two. That has seven tenths percent ninety four twelve. There's some five hundred gained forty four point one point. Four percent closed at three thousand and thirty six. Some tech stocks. Were down today. Facebook damned about one point three percent alphabet owner of Google of course edged down less than ten percent. Microsoft though up about ten percents and stayed home stocks weakened with prospect businesses and people getting back to work zoom down one point two percent today Amazon. Down four tenths percent netflix's though grew one point two percent day bonds fell just attached the yield on the tenure. Tino it pretty much steady zero point six nine percent. You're listening to marketplace this is marketplace. I'm Kai Ryssdal now. Here is something we haven't said on this radio program in quite a while. There's GonNa be an initial public offering coming up mortar. Music Group says it's going public. Timing is obviously a little bit unusual. This pandemic has hit the music industry real hard. And you have seen the stock market bouncing up and down and up mostly lately right market blaze's Desmond gars reports now on Warner Music's decision and the logic behind it about ten years ago. The recording industry seemed to be on. Its deathbed album. Sales were tanking. An online piracy was rampant. These days labels are singing a different tune yesterday. An initial public offering valued warner music at up to thirteen point. Three billion four times what it sold for in two thousand eleven. What changed professor. George Howard from Berkley School of Music says streaming people are paying a monthly fee whereas prior to streaming. It was much harder to predict. Because you you know people who pay ad hoc a Gogo record store or pay for download. Now there's regularity. Recording artists have long complained. They make mere pennies per song from services like spotify or apple but for the recording industry. It's meant double digit growth every year. For the last four years Warner which has artists like lizzo on its roster sought an annual streaming growth of over twenty percent last year still. The pandemic has hit the music industry. Hard covid nineteen has shutdown live music and streaming has dropped because we aren't commuting so why IPO. Now Peter Volley an analyst with emarketer. Says it's all about the long term. We think people get back to their normal routines. I'm people go back to work. Then people will start listening to more audio content listening to more radio again and going to concerts. He can't say exactly when but at some point the music will start again. I'm Jasmine garst for marketplace. Everything of course is changing in this economy. We're GONNA talk fashion right now. Gucci has announced. It's going to stop showing new designs at all of the various fashion weeks that were so important in the four times in the clothing retail market relodge has been nothing less than abysmal. Marketplace's Eric embarrassed has the update when Gucci announced it was slashing the number fashion shows. It'll hold it wasn't surprising to people who watch the sector Jenny. I Lewis with the Yale Center for customer insights. This shift really hasn't begun with co bed. It was perhaps accelerated by. That's because according to Jeff Gallic a marketing professor at Carnegie Mellon having to come out with new fashioned every single season in hopes that those fashions will sell is a problem for businesses. They're are overproducing. Fashion had already been under pressure to change says to my sir. Dari who teaches luxury business marketing at nyu become more inclusive manner reduce its carbon footprint and the fashion calendar year. Planned far in advanced feels outdated in the age of fashion L. H. Ara Load of. The influence comes from online channels. People were eager to see what new things were coming out from brands that were going direct to consumer and had already bypassed the traditional channels of marketing like fashion shows. Then there's the shuttering of retailers sereda KC an analyst with forster says that means Gucci and other brands have to figure out how to make up. The sales would have made through those stores brands. Now have to sell their own merchandise putting pressure on them to try to be more efficient and with many brick and mortar stores closed. That's GONNA take some creativity. America barriers for marketplace want bars and restaurants are either closed or at limited capacity right now in most places which has changed the beer product flow if I could coin a phrase here we are not buying beer at bars but alcohol sold at grocery stores and big boxes was up almost twenty five percent in April. Yes part of that spear part of that other stuff anyway. For Small Craft brewers that has meant a rethink of business models from Texas to lively craft. Beer scene by the way marketplace's Andy. Euler drew the tough assignment. Before the pandemic shut its indoor outdoor taproom Saint elmo Brewing Company in South Austin sold patrons beers with names like Carl and norm co founder Timothy Bullock took a break from installing fans and outdoor shades for a quick chat. Well at a split of probably between seventy eight and eighty five percent of our sales coming from in-person traffic so when social distancing in place that eighty percent just kind of vanishes retail beer sales are up but that doesn't help Saint Elmo. It doesn't sell in grocery stores but it is trying a few things like selling a few cans and jugs out of his taproom said Middle School. Dance like where everybody's just out on the dance floor and not knowing exactly what to do. Saint Elmo also worked with another local Craft Brewery Austin. Beer works on a limited edition. Hazy I a just for the quarantine. Saint Elmo's version was called air five. You know like a hi fi but without slapping hands and beer works was called. No touching Michael. Graham is one of the owners that Austin Beer works forty percent of that Marie sales come from bars and restaurants and you can find. Beer works beer at grocery stores all over Austin. More people are buying beer in the grocery stores and convenience stores but not nearly enough to make up for that lost the last volume from ours restaurants. He says beer works has talked about lowering the price of its beer to move more volume but Bart Watson chief economist at the Brewers Association says playing the price game can be treacherous. You might attract new customers those customers who are buying you not just because of the strength of your brand or the beers but also because of the price and so what happens if somebody else comes into lower price he says the value market is most likely not the consumer base craft brewers trying to attract and most small breweries can't compete with Ab Inbev or Miller cores on price. I mean Euler for marketplace every day. There's another college or university in this country announcing it's going to open up for the fall semester open up as an actual people on the actual campus which is no small logistical and public health. Challenge one place. Those schools might look to for ideas is China where students have already started to return to class in person. Obviously at some schools New York University Shanghai campus is one of those schools summer session. There started on Monday and marketplace's John for pick out a first hand. Look at Post Lockdown College Life Nuha. I'm my name's TULCEA and this is a minority and folk dance class. The class starts with the warm. It's the first time professor. Tau is seeing students in person since the pandemic so exciting when I see them. I almost here like but to reopen. This campus requires a lot of safety precautions. Starting at the entrance only one set of doors in another set out. Because we don't want people colliding all about social distancing that's Jeff Niemann the vice chancellor of nyu Shanghai. So this is actually a disinfectant Matt. Here that you're working on this is supposed to take any germs off your off your feet this gentleman here will to our code the Qr Code. He's talking about is like our health passport from the Shanghai Government. We both have green colored ones means. We'RE OKAY. We pass a fever. Check then an automatic dispenser drops GLOB of hand. Sanitizer on my palms. We disinfect. Her hands again in the elevator and again at the cafe. I wish I'd bought stock in a hand sanitizer company because our school is really all in on hand. Sanitizer absolutely everywhere. Plenty of cleaning gels. But not many chairs. Most tables have just one. And they face the same direction to encourage social distancing student Amy List from North Carolina. A senior says. She's happy to be back on campus. The one of my classes Islam walking down the hall. Mike Oh my God hi. It's so good to see you like you've been here. Oh my gosh like let's get that friendly to begin exactly like you are not someone that was on my radar before. But now you're GONNA be my best friend. A lot of friends are stuck overseas same for two thirds of nyu teaching staff China. Shut its borders to outsiders because of the pandemic beautiful your three to hall so teachers like professor who have returned to Shanghai end up with classes where four students are in the dance studio and three more joined by video conferencing using zoom. Nyu calls this mixed mode teaching and it doesn't always go smoothly during a dance routine. Some of the home students are out of step with the rest of the class. Bad Internet connection says Professor Tau. Nyu says so far. It spent heavily on things like extra internet bandwidth and broadcasting equipment. All things technical even down to where to place a microphone are handled by library director. Gene you can only have one Mike. Because he to Mike's the interfere with each other. So how do you use the microphone to capture both faculty and a student in the classroom? The goal is to make courses just as lively for those joining online s for those sitting in the classroom because mixed mode learning might be the new normal. Even if every student in this dance class were to come back to Shanghai. Under the school social distancing rules some would still have to join online. That is until a vaccine is bound in Shaw. Hi. I'm Jennifer pack for marketplace This final note on the way out today in which SPACEX CEO Elon. Musk gets to have his cake. And all most shoot a rocket into space to you probably heard by now that the SPACEX launch today was scrubbed the bad weather. They're going to try again on Saturday but I was watching the live stream of the two astronauts getting out to the launch pad earlier. Today there ride conveniently for Musk's other company a Tesla Model X. Here is your moment of economic context as we part ways for the day. The San Francisco Fed doesn't index of news sentiment. How the news is reflecting. What's happening in the economy? And here's a quote from the report out. Today we began with the Fed will end with the Fed. I guess news sentiment. The Fed says appears to be in the first half of a U. Pattern despite a v-shaped stock market pattern. This suggest the report goes on. That renewed in the financial markets is not translating into a more positive tone in the economic news media and of quote. And that is I. Think what we've been saying this whole time our media production team which is once again to people. Which are I suppose? The people who are going into work so that the resumes don't have to Robin Edgar Drew Justed Jeff. Peters Daniel Ramirez Charlton Thorpe Ben Tolliday and Becca Linemen. I'm Kai Ryssdal. We will see you tomorrow everybody this is APN.

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Smokey Yunick Pt.1 - Racing's Greatest Cheater is Born

Past Gas

45:14 min | 1 year ago

Smokey Yunick Pt.1 - Racing's Greatest Cheater is Born

"What's up my name's Savannah Brian and I have a true crime podcast called killer instinct if you like true crime if you like learning about unsolved cases finding out more information about solved cases or learning about serial killers you are going to love a bigger obstacle in your way then that guy what the that obstacle James is called the rule book the rule book sometime assigned warning this episode of pass is not safe for work or kids I clever and devious cheaters? Today we're GonNa talk about one of the greatest shooters of all time smokey unit following on October thirty first we're going to be covering some of the craziest cases in history and some of the craziest cases that I have ever talked about yet comes the fastest drivers aren't the ones with the most skills behind the wheel or the best with the wrench sometimes they're the most single Wednesday so if you love true crime than this is the podcast for you go over and subscribe to my podcast killer instinct and I can't wait to see you there we have we had recorded a couple of episodes before they came out and so it's a huge relief that anybody out there like the James is that racing isn't all about reaching the finish line before the other guy but I mean that's who you WanNa beat but of course there's spooky sit down relax and listen to the story of one of the most notorious cheaters ever in motor sports that we have coming and as a bonus for Halloween I'll be posting a brand new podcast episode every day leading up to Halloween starting on October twenty eighth all the way to other wonderful episode of our show I love doing this sorry I dunno annoys Yeah I love doing this podcast again everyone smokey unique this is one of my favorite subjects I wanted to do this guy on up to speed since before the speed you're GonNa want and I'm like now for the show racing is probably my favorite thing in the world I love watching it and I love doing it I know but something you realize the more you progress Jn so stoked about this guy I know some of the stories but we're going to tell a lot more of that kind of this guy rules recommend that you listen to this episode with your kids on pass gas four days of back to back podcast true crime episodes that you were not going to want to miss and then after that we're going to be posting back on our regular schedule of every so much who's reached out to us and giving us nice reviews I was reading through a few of them and I feel so lucky to do this because it's one of my favorite things to do Hi Welcome back to pass gas doughnut media where we are some people who represent Donna media I am James Pump I'm known Sykes thank you so much for listening to an last-gasp please help us grow by giving us a good rating and a nicer view on the podcast platform of your choice to really help us out and I really appreciate it so thank you all right doing them for at least a few more months hopefully until the day we die totally like I just want to like keep improving the show and making it something that I've that I want let's roll in pig is welcome to the pass gas podcast back there in the corner you probably won't hear much but for flights in here shooting video love this Guy Colby here on the corner one of the masterminds behind after leader of all time you yeah so this episode He's GonNa we're GonNa talk about his life leading up to racing because it this episode is like the joker and then the next episode is like Batman yes sick yeah okay so smoky read very creative man can't see him or hear him but anyway I love doing this so let's get into it this is going to be a two part series on smoke a eunuch the greatest then he deflated the ball giving him that much more fuel and that is one of the Tamer examples guys tame pay attention his life up into racing racing primarily is going to be in the next one okay but this is worth learning about 'cause he don't breath but the thing that really made smokey smokey was his personality and to really explain his personality we have to cover his life the rules better than anybody one time he inflated a basketball inside his oversized fuel tank so in the marshalls inspected the fuel capacity it looked like it was legal listen to every time because you know I'm very self critical like I'll listen to some episodes and be like oh I should have said it differently I just want too much self I know was famous racing shops in America join us as we dive deep into the early life of smokey Eunuch is in sane this is a two part episode partner okay so the first one we're gonNA cover how he got here yeah how he got into racing you don't just become the greatest of all time out of nowhere yeah you have to have a backstory yet to be La- it's like the joker the joker I haven't seen the movie at it just came out four the race cars including his time spent in in both the European and Pacific front during World War Two and how that led him to establishing one of the I just want to be wanted to be a good yeah we always WanNa grow yeah but we also be proud of ourselves yeah I'm I'm proud of you I'm proud of Me Christina in part one of this amazing series our primary source today is the best damned garage in town my life and adventures written by another how I imagine the book is written is that he just sat on his couch and told stories for hours on end and his wife just tap them all down medically correct but then again neither smokey and I mean that's exactly how the book is so let's start from the beginning Henry smoked other was an immigrant from the Ukraine his childhood home didn't have electricity and never received a phone line it was heated solely by feels like you're reading a conversation you had with your crazy grandpa just crazy that he wrote all this like dictated all this talking about some woman who was having sex with and then jump to erase and then back to his childhood it's very complicated because he was a complicated I cannot describe the odor of baked goat in rabbit but let's just say it's bad brother the man himself smokey eunuch dude even wrote his own so cool actually it was mostly his wife Margie who typed it all up for him apparently normal weekend was fighting and smashing furniture his father was a great believer in beating the hell out of kids to keep them straight cool guy yeah sounds cool he did have a little sister Irene but they would not be close until much later in life we lived under the European attitude of control the kids close weren't really asked me and my dad Wayne has buddies what does that mean I don't know when the world could that mean are large coal burning stove in the basement when it was cold outside all the animals on the farm were brought inside around the stove to keep warm the book is out of print but definitely if you see it at like a used bookstore or something like pick it up there's no other book like it if you key eunuch was born in Mesh Amini Pennsylvania on a fifteen acre farm sometime in the nineteen twenties his mother was a Polish immigrant as hey good news and clean so I don't know it's over six hundred pages long and it was like he it's written in a very like stream of conscious way so writing this was a huge pain because it just jumps all over time and space smokey's life like you'll be talking about his childhood and then next that's how it happened smoke is blunt into the point in fact the tagline for this book was it's not politically correct or man and yes there will be a lot of sexual really relations holy crap this guy he's cool man like well someone's going to tell my story might as well be meat yeah but I got these big on meat hooks a hand so margie graphic computer field was by using a hand plow attached to horse unfortunately the UNIX farm had one of those one of those big budweiser horse's name too big so smokey decided to build one instead he bought a dodge with a big engine and transmission for ten dollars and afford truck duly ran for five dollars XLII worked at data them and train them to take care of the elderly what s Moakley smoothly put it he and his father and turns out he was pretty good at it his new tractor with his new tractor he could do the same amount of work in a day that would have taken over two weeks me on that brother smokey was never close with this family watching receiving near-constant abused between his mother and father my mother and father apparently didn't like each other with a hacksaw chisel and other hand power tools Henry smokey eunuch took his first stab at inventing and fabrication at the age of fourteen his wife and then there's other chicks and she was like down for it like Jim Bone in we were all so can wet pope all the time baby poops and that stuff doesn't smell good that's for sure not a lot of poop does which is something their listeners now that he can finally make a profit with farming smokey decided to invest some of his money in an old Indian Bonneville cheap motorcycle which he immediately crashed yeah I've been on this I've been I've been around the sun a few times and I gotta say I have yet to find poop smells good and you can take that to the bank he's like does that mean like you're such good friends like I would say Philippe Asks Buddy because he's my friend but also sometimes flee um I don't know if I want to be asked but he's not my dad on their farm the only way to plow accu socks off faster quicksand slow smoky hated every interaction he had with big bill so he did the reasonable thing he replaced bill with attract I but he's saying it like it's a positive yeah he's like like are we asked buddies yeah just a couple of ass buddy and then took off in the night he wanted to go to Hercules Virginia where they made dynamite did he wanna make dynamite do you ever have a rabbit grownup no friends had them we had a few roberts I don't really think they're great pets I could never get over the poops poop doesn't mean they're such good buddies that they've seen that's what I think that means we worked out together we're changing I drop my keys and you're like one day he saw a camel cigarette ad that had a famous motorcycle racer Bob Holloway on it he decided I'm going to be just like that dude after you kick me for the last time bill I told you John Deere just opened up down the road added push it Kahal garage a small general repair shop despite getting two jobs to make ends meet smokey's mom she decided to take him to court keep in mind he's like sixteen yeah smokey said screw that he packed a bag and his dog in army motorcycle he won at a farm auction smokey was forced to drop out of school take care of his family by taking his real first job at a Ford dealership the dealership didn't pay enough so we also work nights smokey found himself working at a mill machining ninety millimeter anti-aircraft gun barrels Warburg had just begun he wanted to participate in the war effort in started trying his hand and motorcycle racing he cleaned up that busted Indian chief petty bought a few years ago and took it straight to the racetrack turns out he didn't do a very good as little hiatus from life didn't last long and he would soon wind up back in Pennsylvania and every job he found he got fired from as he absolutely hated having a boss and you big old put Weiser's horse but tractors were an expensive luxury especially for families pours the UNIX awesome which I found out after I crashed my bmx bike a few months ago and broke my collarbone. I still feel like an idiot and I'm still paying the medical bill off somehow though he did try to get out of the jobs as he didn't want to handle the responsibility of handling such expensive asset but then decided to make them out of spite spital he didn't have health insurance so he decided that he was going to quit smoking and stop racing and looked at some new career paths because medical bills one of the best ninety millimeter barrel machinist in the state simply due to his want to spite someone yeah I kind of relate to that yeah yeah cloud a non support non support claims she claimed that he had failed to provide adequate financial support after his father died race he crashed into another racer head on is that even have no I own the wrong way I know this isn't Mario Kart and he ended up in the can't clean your room Nolan show you mom show you mom I am very susceptible to reverse psychology we'll get back to more pass gas job cleaning it up because it's smoked like hell and that is how he got the nickname smokey say as he was the one racing smoking Indian in its first I think so screw this I'm GonNa go make sticks. TNT Nick Not a Cobra something cool though Cobra would be very dangerous I just WANNA get one that eats like and reappropriated towards the war effort the factory that smokey had worked in had just begun manufacturing auto gyros for the military. It's like a helicopter definitely isn't as but but he's nice about it yeah but I mean there's I mean that's good buddies that they look at each other holes everyone he but it has an airplane tail yeah when I was a kid I saw that movie fly away home ought with the geese yeah and I was young does she refused to give me a monkey would you get your child a monkey now no probably won't even get my kid a dog that's not true thank someone tells you can't do something I'm going to do it yeah my parents should have employed that back when I was a kid I bet you s someone told him that the job would be way too much for him to handle I don't want to do it we probably can't do it you say I can't do it he became now a word from our sponsors America had just entered World War Two and factories all over were being purchased by the US government uh-huh trying to show off to some girls and as we'll see smokey unique legged girl in the beginning of his junior year smokey's father died from a heart attack true but like if I wanted to join the military I probably wouldn't ask you for I mean I would ask for advice but I won't be personality to ask if he can exactly so I don't know maybe didn't understand is like hey man he's a bill and big bill was sort of jerk you could say he was an ask your buddy had two speeds and it was either like I should have J. I think you'd be like I don't know maybe look up to this guy I think like maybe you would ask me in a way that it's like hey man I think I'm joining the air force so that he could be a pilot and surprisingly his boss is like yeah did ask your boss to be in the military I don't get what he's already working for the military the dogs are good I wanted to get the only exotic pet I ever wanted was a chameleon But I guess those things are like really sensitive like you have to you can't have like yeah I got a birth certificate guy if you need but back then like it was like writing your name on a piece of toilet paper backwoods but luckily his boss had just the right connections to get that patched up ooh wow so already military yeah and I'd be like okay it would be a should I join the military question not a can I join the Mil- and it doesn't sound like it's smokey's area and put them in there like they have like a certain humidity in the tank and like really temperature controlled so I said no I might get a snake what kind wants to fly it turns out I don't belong down here I belong up there with them geese him gaze smokey asked his boss for approval to enlist in to do with big bill so they shot big bill and eight okay 'cause they didn't do that just making sure you're paying attention these mice would you just let it go around the like right right when you walk in my front door to the right I'll just put light it really cool come thank you sir but smokey soon realized that there was one small problem with his plan the dude didn't have a frigging birth certificate and when that acetylene ignited the explosion sent hot metal into his left eye causing temporary blindness and in an hour the priests had created an entirely new birth certificate for smokey his birthday went from some time in May around nineteen twenty three wait kill sounds like a sick prank unfortunately for smokey is goggles were a little loose I mean your house is already kind of terrarium anyway it's like a humanitarian yeah so you'd walk in and immediately you know what I'm all about skeleton snakes I just WANNA or maybe like asking for permission but if it was possible he's like hey can I join the military and become a pilot like yeah we are called cones and rods and stuff and if you can't like a good indicator of vision is like being able to see colors correctly so like eight twenty fifth nineteen twenty-three and just like that smoky eunuch was in but it wasn't that easy for smokey just get in is now still right I was born checks out your here so smoky was sent to Philadelphia to meet with a Catholic priest determined that his vision had been slowly returning his left eye it was now nearly twenty twenty again but still not good enough to be a pilot even today that just before Christmas smokey had an accident at the shop a tube he was welding had been filled with acetylene by fellow welder while he was on lunch they won't let you fly if you can't perfectly see the color yellow the hardest of all colors to see anything less perfect than that was unacceptable yes I actually I looked at Chris Ages helicopters auto gyros and that sparked an uninspected interest in aviation turns my podcast it would really mean a lot to me if you could pause the show you're listening to right now head over to killer instinct and hit follow because you are not going to want to miss the episodes turns out the air force doesn't have any use for pilot who is blind in one eye smokey was transferred to the Radio Division in Sioux Falls South Dakota to be trained as a radio oh cadet he learned how to type in Morse code at a whole eighteen words per minute a a few months into his training he requested a recheck on his vision the doctors uh-huh guiding okay and his old ladies cool with that makes her Cooler Cooler Cool I love your on your house it's very cool balm also remember like crying because my mom and get wouldn't get me a monkey you cried because of the house is just like so mad he's like why like why I'll invite you over there Casey would love that I'm not I think she would so anyway he's he was making these terrible dangers and I was like mom I want to build an ultralight and my mom was like can't build an airplane as a candidate in the movie like jaw pilot's license the and like you know you have your your cones and rods in your I I didn't know that I'm not smart oh well okay in your eye the receptors that allied of like going through a huge battery of tests to see if you're like oh if we have good vision it's a psych hey what what is like to you yellow yeah perfect the past I'm going to be pie pilots are the coolest person in the world and Jesse and I read the Nascar Championship at the time for having set the world land speed record he thought it was so beautiful and someday he planned to live there once the war was over turns out smokey would say this about a lot of places primarily because of the women because like I said before a smoky while falling in and out of consciousness and only using the foot pedals that's insane this is all according to him a lot I do mean a lot there's a part in his book James where he explains how big his dogs Peter was in how bottles from the cockpit of his bomber near tractors and horses the bottles would whistle as they fell and sounded exactly like bombs which James he could use it as a tool to arouse women cool cool kyw cool book in the first one hundred pages of the actor allowed him to cheat a little to pass the exam and become a plane dreifort days later he was sent to Santa Ana California for pre only became desperate for pilots incidentally smokey suddenly became desperate to never work as a radio operator again so out of mutual desperation the flight school then to Marfa Texas for advanced flight training there he discovered that ninety five percent of trainees requested fighter pilots so he got moved over to bombers get the picture by now there was a lot of training involved in becoming a pilot fun fact that is still true today unsurprisingly the total cost of the concentration is about the same during one formation training smokey's appendix burst and twenty eight thousand feet his copilot was to it he liked the ladies throughout the best damned garage in town book smokey shares a lot of information about his sex life okay and when I say and then after two Dizon Dyersburg then after to Dyersburg Tennessee which is right outside of Memphis honestly at this point you all must inexperienced and inept to land the plane himself damning Gimme days kindergartner so smoky was forced to land the plane himself their pilots had all the training they needed not to die as losing even a single pilot was a major blow to the war effort Dyersburg was different than he quickly found that in Marfa Texas in the nineteen forties there was absolutely nothing to do except mess with the locals one of his favorites pastimes with dropping anywhere else smoke you had been they did live fire training with all their pilots having them practice with real ammunition to perfect their aim in combat they also specifically trained on how to fly in bombing formations it's kind of like driving a race car two hundred miles per hour sip race cars are inches apart and wait fifteen hundred thirty five hundred pounds training f twenty two pilots today is over ten point nine million dollars per pilots should even in World War Two it was in the government's best financial interest to ensure would scare the hell out of Dick after eighteen months of training in Marfa smokey was transferred to Roswell New Mexico B seventeen training I believe that's true I mean there's a lot of but yeah I dunno I believe I believe it yeah during one test flight he flew over Daytona beach the site famous astronauts like yeah that's crazy yeah like as the war raged on and US planes was shot down the air force I'm back that wording exactly after his plight over Daytona it was decided that smoky would be fighting on the European front and he was transferred to Marrakech Morocco book at least seventy of them having sex with a different person in a different way keep in mind viewers and listeners come at some point in time I remember those dates for this guy you may have noticed a May have noticed that there are no dates in this episode and that's because smoking there's his wife helped him and after his flight over Daytona it was decided that did I September twenty six nineteen forty nine about a bio don't call me once missionary I'm sorry read that back I definitely remember second on them right there down down arrived in Marrakesh some men from the local Legion taught him the virgin routine alumnae tonight lady I never did it before and tomorrow is really bad at remembering dates once he arrived for all the time that he had sex different it was about four thirty and was standing there and many more like it all the way through his early teens smokey he got raped both those kids got raped by the ahmaid die class works every time every time it's a local bartender anywhere anytime and we will learn his activity in the war enabled him to go even further with his desires and he was certainly I did not master this routine this guy I got I didn't not want like a softcore cinemax adaptation of smoking this book and one looks over to the other jobs like holding his trophy and the pilot says the other when he goes he didn't find F. Eighteen today all of his life smokey had been extremely sexual his first experience was when he was twelve with his friends mom as the free means will you sleep with me tonight according to smokey this approach is not bulletproof believe it or not you either get away or you gave snapping your snoop if you've got a slap in the snoot he would respond with a inet case I guess just to blow jobs out of the question in French as he puts it not the only one smokey went so far as to claim that his experiences in so many different countries during the war helped cure any bits of racism I mean Emmy True Crime were talking serial killers unsolved cases solved cases missing persons cases and so much more than my podcast killer lady that's no Bueno yeah that's not cool God like there was I mean this is a bit off the beaten path for our show but you may have had at this time he decided to get bolder with his appearance he had grown a beard and mustache to get what was known as the Jesus let eh and decided to shave off his endearingly titled Wound Broom and Beard for the ladies he called we'll be right back with more of this story but first from our sponsors hey guys what's up it's sedan killing someone even if they're being shot at themselves bomber command aircrews suffered one of the highest casualty rates in the war out of a total of one hundred twenty five emmer here sorry to interrupt the episode that you're listening to but I just wanted to take a quick second and talk to you about my podcast called killer instinct if you like true crime and arrested episode and I'll see you next time on killer instinct German in the beginning those firemen weren't very useful many air crewmen would blatantly refuse to pull the trigger

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Episode 9: Lenise Williams Serial Mompreneur & Made Leather Co Mogul

The Kae Whitaker Show

1:00:28 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 9: Lenise Williams Serial Mompreneur & Made Leather Co Mogul

"Hey Hey girlfriend today. We're talking to the phenomenal miscellaneous Williams and ladies. You are in for a treat today. This episode was so much much fine. We laughed we talk but most importantly Lonnie sheer real life stories about her journey and Entrepreneurship Divorce Motherhood having to move who've because of a natural disaster in still being able to pick up herself and now she's the founder of a very successful leather a handbag company that she found it while she was on a speaking engagement in Morocco. Now you think that's something you have to hear the stories that she tells about what it took in order for her to get these handbags to us and I am not going to ruin the surprise but you will not believe the things that at this woman has went through in order to make sure she's able to provide the type of high quality handbags that you see on instagram right now so without further ado let's happen to today's episode be sure at the end of the episode you let let me snow that you found on the k whitaker show and let me. I know what you think over on Instagram if analogies I'll see you on the show. You're listening to the K whitaker podcast created for boss. MOMS on wives committed to slaying their family and professional goals. You could say this show is the intersection of being a good boss mom and wife and doing them all on your own terms together will have unfiltered conversations with moms from across the world about what it really takes to have the life featuring about our guests will share stories of triumph fears and challenges and will empower us with their own perspectives on how we can navigate through our own challenges and conquer vamps the come out victorious on the other side our host k. Whitaker is a successful entrepreneur currently running two businesses alongside her husband tipped swale raising four children ranging in age from an infant to a very busy teenager while still making time for each other and the things in life that they both love K. has designed Zayn this show to be a safe place for honesty vulnerability and empowerment to support one another as we boldly go after life streams tear down old ideologies realities that keep it hostage and as we pursue our own modern definitions of success if you're an ambitious boss mom looking for a community that supports you while you continue continues to evolve into the woman that you and everyone else loves them stick around because you're already amongst a good group of girlfriends now. Let's jump jump into today's episode ladies today. We have got a treat uh us. I'm excited. I'm saying girl and for just a minute here. I am talking to Ms Lanese Williams preneurs. Es Q. and I'm really excited. I get to talk to her one on one because because I've been following her for a few years on your motion knows that but I I R- her because I was telling her this outline because she's a mom of two boys and I have one preteen boy that is about to like. I want to pull my hair out on a constant basis with him so to have more than what I don't know what I would do self went out. Watch online managed life navigate with her boys being still run to very successful businesses. This is she's very transparent about who she is online. I love it as she's very helpful to women that come behind you know building real home businesses not playing games really building businesses that support their lifestyles as always good for me to have names on the show that I can chat wait time gleaned from down in these moments but today we don't be talking Yana. The whole goal of the Shell is just to have real girlfriend moments. We can talk about what it really is like to be a mom building a business kinda managing everything so today. LANESE IS GONNA share some heart wisdom with us and we can't see this conversation. Gulls help. y'All a good with that new. Do these lumps in the show. Thank you thank you for having me. You are welcome. I'm really excited. That is your here and if you would just give us the rundown of who you are what you do how you started out because stuff well. I am a semi on myself. A semi retired attorney. Keep trying to get out game. He pulled back in but I'm trying to retire from the PRI- from practicing to pursue eventually have made leather company. I'm trying to that full-time taking most of my time but I'm just a mom. I'm obsessed with business. I love everything about business. I I eat sleep off business all the time all day law some people who like to garden anymore like it but I just like to grow and build businesses and make money and it shows a life through your work on line. I know that you do a whole lot off line but the books that that you've written things that you have helped us get our life with as far as organizing our own businesses are all really works in progress and I know you know jokingly family. Are I made a joke. You know the other day you posted on Instagram that somebody hijacked your book and put it on Ebay and I'm like no you. Areso take my book and sell my book for more than I tell my in the hustle for wow man I was double the price but leaned gene and cell felt like devils like a badge like now you've made it and you know Israel when somebody thankfully go away to look at head Eh. They put it on Ebay for double what you're saying. I'm still alive. I'm not even dead yet. It might double oh the bright living legend the niece from I know that you are like a business fanatic. which is very clear in what we see from your live but can you share with with a little bit about how you got started. Some listeners may know. I know a little bit of the story but for those of you that I've never met the niece before. It's pretty interesting so I kinda wanted to. She just a little in about where everything came from okay so I I started after I graduated from law school. I worked in a law firm or hot three to four weeks and so in that time I realized that this was not for me. I felt like I felt like I have the same education same credentials as my boss but yet I was going to work making him in that in those first three weeks. I've probably we made triple my salary. I just felt like I was overworked. Underpaid and just not appreciate it decided to walk away like I literally walk in the office. He made me upset and I guess my ego got in the way and I was just like you know what I'm gone and that my car and I left and for the first two days it was you know it was a little I guess I had a a a high. I was happy about it. I felt you know I I feel oh good about my decision but then a week or so past and I was like okay. What am I gonNA. What am I GONNA do now. I have no clue what I'm GonNa do and and I was living in Louisiana as a sign shortly after that Katrina hit. I'm having my first one was about three months old. Katrina hit tests and then it was really like okay. What am I gonNa do because now I don't have a place to live. I now have to see government. Assistance like this is just a crazy the situation so I took assets. That's my femur money about six hundred dollars at incorporated. My Law Firm started meeting people on starbucks and then eventually. I got a one room office shag carpet with Hannah false. I was straight nineteen seventies and he's in two thousand something but you know it was it was I had to do so I that that one room office ended up turning into a ball kasich bigger business and less than a year and I tell people they had nothing to do do with me. Being this phenomenal attorney hours a new attorney had everything to do with me being obsessed with marketing and what I later learned was personal branding. I didn't realize I was building a personal brand but that's what I was doing and after I went through my divorce had another child went through a divorce and I realized you know I don't like going to court. I'm making money people. My phone's ringing off the hook. I just don't like it like this is not for me. I it's not the the lifestyle that I wanted. I wanted my own business. Because part of me wanted to be home with my children. I don't want to miss all of their events and everything that they had going on and I the wanted to make money but I never intended to be in a trial so seven o'clock at night eight o'clock at night like that was not the lifestyle that I am vision going through my divorce. Kinda take a look at my life. someone different angle different pointed out realize this is not making me happy and life is too damn shore for me not not to be packed up and I moved. I got a divorce and I left then look back and and eventually landed in Atlanta Georgia. I moved to Georgia because I realized passionate was really and building the law firm. It was not in the core. It was in marketing and branding fast of it so I walked away from it. eventually moved to Georgia and I just I had money that AH save over the years and I started investing in different businesses and I started my own actually had a preschool and I just doing different things that I had interest assistant made money that eventually I walk away the preschool acid today about a hundred fifty thousand of own hard earned money and I had to walk away from it because I was having some issues with the previous owner who was also my landlord who was trying to force the Auto Atika business her business. This is way more than you ask for them now. When I when I've purchased richest business from there will be well in total in the school and about twenty months or so advil in the pool do over hundred. is now making money until those putting money out every month. I was putting money out just like he was doing before he had it but you know I had a nice cushion. The money out and by the time is by the time it started making money. He comes sniffing around morten wanting to P and I kind of feel like well not Kinda. I did feel like I get my money. I'm I'm not not just GonNa give this to you. I'm not allow you to become a partner when you've done nothing wrong. I don't know if you had years to do everything I've done. You haven't the news so cute. The little kids will come into school uniform. Originally it was it was so amazing and it was what I really want it because I had a child that kept getting getting kicked out of preschool and not like you know I'm not gonNA kick. Anybody's hit out. Not every kid is the same as but I feel like not every kid the same. I'm not taking anybody's get out. We're going to figure out what we need to do to make it work but if I had a passion behind it which would which which is what I feel really drove the business to the next level but I refuse to give it up he started doing really nasty things me and it just got to the point where my sanity and my mental stability was much more important than the business yeah. No I walked away. I get hurt so bad but I walked away. lost all my money but I I but looking back on it. You know it took some time to get to this point where this way but looking back on it. I feel like the money somebody would have spent on. Mba as only what are bent in that business I learned a lot of lessons a lot of things that that is still used to this day so it wasn't as a little way of kind of wasn't a total waste of money because you know that that's what I gained in within valuable that is I didn't know about the preschool all about I had no idea that you own a preschool so okay. We go back just a meeting because I want. I don't want anybody so from New Orleans. You went to Georgia. He wants what's in metal. We'll go back to the divorce 'cause I'm not some people might have some questions about that but I want to get to this real quick so we went from attorney in the courtroom. You saw preschool. You bought it and you bought it because your baby. Your baby handed me. He was kind of going through some stuff. They were putting them out now. You know forget it. I can create a space form. dudas preschool thing is see how it works now. Did you know what what's the thought process behind the preschool because I know you know we make investments and stuff like that and I'm assuming that you've had enough cash stacked up from a law firm that you like okay. I'll try this and it was twelve kids. I'm imagining it wasn't a huge investment up front but over time you know to make it grow. You have to put your money. But what was the thought process when you said Okay I'm GonNa go from being an attorney so so being the director of the shokair center up I was the director. I don't have that much patient in a love a love to kids. Don't get me wrong. I love the kids but when he says but I was still there every day you know crunching numbers making everything work. Probably I probably could have been considered a director or somebody radio. you know was employed in that fashion but I decided to go with that because I knew that I had a passion for and also just stuff that I I stayed home for year after my second and I did so much with him. I did an even when when I was in even in that break that I had the twin Hurricane Katrina when I finally opened my phone with my first son I do much with my boy and then put them in daycare. It was like Whoa when you'll get hyping know that like my kids were talking and counting saying. ABC's like at a real young age in round gotta just wiping their nose. I I just felt like as a parent. I wanted to create a faith and also you know because of the emotional issues. My son was sadly enough that he just kept getting kicked out. I just wanted to create a space. I knew I wanted I wanted to invest and some type of business and that one just seemed to make the most since to me because it's my passion because I had a background in it and I. I didn't know what the Heck I was doing. I had to learn all of it right but I felt like it could work and and my my whole idea my whole concept was validated because they are Roman grew so much but again you I'm. I'M NOT GONNA type of persons to just let somebody walk all over on the right and it sounds crazy. You know because I lost so much money but I I just. I just couldn't couldn't allow somebody to do that to me. And you know it's funny. It's funny. I know people say it's funny. The Way God works because a year of May two years later. He ended up losing the school you know he didn't he didn't win but you know at the same same time it is still hurt the failure because that was my money. I mean it was I didn't. I wasn't alone that I had to. We pay this was literally my savings. I have my kids to college. you know. I could have done so much with that. Money and I just felt sick because I felt like I had failed my son and also thought like I just I have let my family down and I just let myself down because I just I just felt like a failure but like I said I once I stepped back looked at it from a different angle. I realized I wasn't a failure. I just refused refused to let anybody walk all over me right now. What's this fellow was he. Somebody did he have ownership or was he just giving you the space for the school so he owned the buildings. There was two buildings okay own the building that the that the school was and he also you know on the school but I've never noon in the school from him but he was still my landlord. When things started I mean suddenly suddenly the fire. Marshal shows up and five. Oh a ten thousand dollar repair because your sprinkler sat this was suddenly wrong with the fire system and and when I tell him about it he refused to pay it but if if I don't pay it then if I don't pay it yeah the fire marshals shut me down. There was a flood in one of the buildings He refused to return my phone calls. I shouldn't have those babies Ryan Building with wet wall wall so I had to pay to fix that every time something like that would happen. I would legally which is the right thing to do. You take that out of your rent. You know I I I shouldn't say you the full amount of rent or actually get credit for the improve not the improvements. One of the repairs are made your facility. which is your responsibility but every time I would do that we fouth ways extent so we have gone back home? Every time I would think right but it just got tired tired of it yeah. Nobody wants to go through that type of I mean that's taking you away training reductive and the thing that you really heard there to do s to make sure those kids aren't that is i. It people like this this this mess up the new guys and this one's who long ago people are still like that vindictive yeah. I think what you really want to take away from releases this. You know when you go after suffering even with those feelings failure because that's gonNA come up like a lie. I I know I know yalcintas scramble classes out there that you know very positive online but there's stuff going on behind the scenes where we feel like we just did not live up to our own expectations but what my niece is saying that she took a minute to step back and we're going to figure out how long that sticking with their process was in. China look at things from a different perspective and say okay what was supposed to get out of it because she made a very powerful statement some of the things that she was doing in school. She's still doing now in her current businesses so when offer nothing but just in that season it felt like it was all for nothing right right. It was just because of the the avowed of disappointment white man. You know it make anybody feel failure but you get the future. Thoughts are your future plans and makes you wonder it was really right but most of the time you're right. There's always a reason right so when you who decided we made the decision to kind of walk away from the daycare. Did you take another break and just say okay. I gotta get my mind because I'm sure that was a blow like it probably midst clarity. I had to take a break because it was so much for me and here it was. I was living in another state. I don't have you know I I still don't have any family in Georgia know me and my boys right and I spent I'm just GonNa say our you know I've spent all of our money and now it's like the bills are still coming. you know things are still happening tuition to do all these things are still going on but I don't even have the source of income anymore and I've depleted breeded my savings. I mean so I had to take a break because I was about to lose my mind. I remember I call her my bathroom former on but I I just I was crying. I fell on my bathroom floor and I just cried and I just asked that. Tell me would you want me to do. Do you know I thought I was following you. The first time Lord told me to do this with the school. I did it but now what you GONNA do. How do I fix this. How do I getting my children out of this situation and it's funny because I turn the social media and I started posting on on Instagram and I started hosting just business tips because Bill Outta love for business and then one day that you don't have to take my page off Friday I. I'M GONNA put it on public. Public has been like some stranger like the pitch. This is creepy. I they must've done that like twenty times. Finally I was like no public and what 'cause people seem like what I post. I'm just GONNA I'm leaving on public so I did that and then people started reaching out to me like you help me with my business. Can you help me with this legal aspect of business. You helped me build my business like you look like you've done so much. You help me and I will not go. Oh and you want to pay me. I mean at this point from. I didn't know anything about business her fault. I didn't know anything about that and people are asking me for it so I'm like okay well I. I don't have come right now. Let me let me see if this works so I take on clients that I fell into the whole West Manar then then I loved it because I felt like I was making a difference. I was doing doing something still doing something that I love. That was doing business. I was sharing all these business tips. I it just it was like the perfect match right yeah and so then from there got clients and people started asking me to speak Mike. You want me to come okay. I'll from speak whatever you want then. Somebody said you should write a book about branding okay. I'll try that I wrote a book thirty. One day got to go to a personal snow brand and it was like a best seller like people are still buying into hill I say and this was it's like I think maybe four years ago so that's when I really started to learn more about like we digital income you know like for having multiple streams of like. I can make an income from this book. I can make an income from talking about something that I'm already passionate about. I can make an income consulting people about something that I'm already passionate about about like it all gets it. All just seems so perfect yes so. When did the attorney thing. Come back into play when people started asking for it. You know people started asking for you know trademarks and different things like that. Can you do this address for making you do this and I said okay well. Why not kind of what I do so yeah I mean I wasn't in a courtroom. You know wasn't litigating you know it. That's the part that really you know made me unhappy was just the whole being room all the time so so it just it just fits and then. I got contacted to speak as one of three African Americans at a United Nations conference in in Marrakech Morocco thousand. Oh Two thousand sixteen I believe wow now I think I remember and the two thousand sixteen I got by speak at the United Nations Conference and there was a conference on climate change us about you wanted me to talk about female entrepreneurship and how climate I'm change has an impact on entrepreneurship. I ended up speaking about Hurricane Katrina and how Hurricane Katrina affected affected me and how it affected so many people in my city so again I I made that work. It was an interesting guy. I don't think he will expecting that but I made it. I made it about how are things Trina and then I was in Marrakech. They gave opportunity to go and explore the city. I fell in love with the city fell in love with the people they were so everybody was just so nice. The food was amazing. I mean it was it was A different literally a different world you know from from where I'm from but it was it was just so amazing I love with it and I especially fell in love with the leather products that they had in Marrakech Morocco and so while I was there purchased a few leather items and I was sending pictures to my family my friends I own my eyes. Look how beautiful this bag this and so people are like. Oh get me one getting give me one. I couldn't fit all of that in my luggage right. I started collecting cards from different different people that were different affluent in the city that made back as the study collecting their cars because I figured you know no at some point. I'M GONNA want more bad right well. I had the pro a couple of years. I have been thinking about. I WANNA say business. I help people with their auto business and I want one because the service is a lot of work especially when you're working hours only so many hours in a day. What a product. It's just sells non. Stop while you're sleeping. you know while you're out with your friends and your family like it's. It's just constantly make fucking. ATM Constantly Making Money Yeah and I wanted to end out. I want it in but I didn't know what I sell well on the the plane ride back from La so it was like a light bulb just went off like Lanista. This is this is it you could sell this car because I know working with my client Ryan in the past and just other things I had tried to do when you want to sell a product especially something not a t shirt or candle like something really you may have to import the hardest thing is finding the right vendor people move so much money as so much time waiting on a vendor under to send them a product from overseas. They get it at the other work. Wait three weeks and then you get. It doesn't work then you gotTa try again like I realized I had the vendors right here in my hands I this the hard part is the home team their products right and so I immediately got Hummel's Donald and you're like I got to work on it and and I launched made leather company so that's that's the story behind Bait. I guess that's the story behind everything because that's what we are not said you try to retire. You ought to be an attorney anymore. You're trying to leave us act but this may let it really made an imprint because this wasn't just something that you were selling like hunger instagram profile like they're people that you know oh you. Do you ask that game and they got a mate Leather Co.. Bad so what was bad light light. How did you get to a point where you alike now. This is GonNa be more than just has. The instagram product like this is a real thing that possibly are you in the department stores or was this conversation about. Did you go into one of the department stores. I'm in a couple of retail department stores but like the retail retail stores not but not I'm waiting for them to call me waiting for the call me. I'm just waiting to listening called me in. Everybody like I'm tagging norstroms brand product for you. Habit it becomes something so big because it really is big as Matt. A little thing is not just you know store. We sell ads like these are like real handmade leather bags that severi influential people are carrying. What was that journey like for you. And did you think that that was what it WHO's. GonNa be. I did not at all not at all like I would be found out. I had one bad a weekend bag and I just said I'm GONNA and it was in one color for that. I called I said I'm just going to this one bag. Oh yeah and my friend was like why like people like other colors right. Why would you do that but to me. That was the easiest you know. I just worked. I didn't have to worry about getting different colors like I was just going to this one caller and I really honestly I was not thinking big to the level that it's become. I wasn't thinking that big but strange thing. I tell you strange thing happened. I hadn't even launched yet. I had some problems with Bender's another story some of the people of my money yeah this is my money and then send me the product and when you're dealing with Morocco they aren't as advanced like it's not like you use pay pal right. Get your money back or you know. Call Your Card and and do you know charge back with you literally spending Western Union cash on my I was walking to the grocery. Mrs Brooke Rushing at the grocery stores the sack of money then looking at me like what are you doing. That's how they operate. Hey you know like they don't think that that's what it is like. They aren't as advanced as we are here in the US so I'm sending people money then they disappear or one person I sent him money and then they they sent me great samples and so I sent him more money order a larger you know a place a larger order and he sends me crap. You know like I mean any great stuff into the second time I can't sell this type of thing ooh that I went through it wasn't just totally easy but in the meantime I stayed consistent right say consistent by posting on social media's telling on people about it and always made sure that my social media page for made just look clean and in good vision of how wanted it and and I did not have a vendor yet. I'm not familiar with actual yet but I was still posting coming soon coming coming soon shrimp shish Rangers Rangers craziest thing happened to me. I couldn't email from Odell Beckham Beckham Junior's What do you call it his age and he's like I have some players you know I represent Odell but also have some other players and we are admiring your bag we bag of as it think even? They just have pictures that. I keep retaking the same three bags that I personally own but yeah you know I gave conversation with him and he tells me I I i. I want to get back to all the players I represented fifteen players they will NFL players and a couple hockey players as well. He said I I I believe he's bags and he said and if you can difference to me I'll have all the top players post about it because we're crazy about this. I'll have them closer media about it. Oh Yes sir. I'm doing on here not a prouder. I'm on a shelf. Nothing Alice figured out. I said Yes yes I right on it. I'll send you the tracking information and I'm trying to rush because by this point it's like the beginning of November right and the season's about to end right. I'm not a hurry up because you know in February area so nobody's going to be checking for these football player. I suppose when people are concerned about on the off season so I had I've been dealing with a vendor somebody just met and he had been sending me like small ship and I didn't have any problems with small shipments so Dan I faced the order these fifteen bags and plus. I wanted other you know now. I'm a little bit of money. I WANNA put I WANNA buy more inventory right so I the places large order with him and he tells me Lanese. I'm so sorry I can't ship it. the shipping company they they can tell that this is not not for personal use because it's so many bags. I don't have the credentials to do this. New Need to have a business set up in Morocco Rafael. What what my kids I'm divorced. I live in Georgia. my Ex husband still lives in Louisiana Right. When my kids are out of school they go directly to the airport right on a plane to Louisiana so during Thanksgiving break put those boys on the plane. I WANNA plane three hours later on my way Morocco myself to go figure this at this point. I'm just going on adrenaline like I need to get these players. These bags bright so I flied Morocco. I knew the person that I had been. I hadn't even met this guy yet. meet him in person. some stuff goes down. I find out he's feeding me old yeah girl so he was suppose. I was paying him for the bag. Twenty percent which I felt was fair because as you're doing all the running around your shipping doing all this stuff. I'm I'm paying. You feel what I'm saying you fair right well. He brought lot me. I'm sorry if I'm if I'm going on. This is good good man. You're GonNa see how God is all up in this because this man took me to the place that was selling that that made my bags right and I didn't know you know there's a bit of a language barrier area right I didn't I thought we were still shopping for bag. I realize we were at the place. That made my bag well one of the ladies that work there. She brought out. My Gosh do that but y'all maybe back on like taking pictures. I'm so excited. They give me a tour. They stage show me where they make the bat and they give me a whole. VIP treatment right and so I'm happened. Oh I know what it was the the person that I was she kept telling me send me that picture. What's that me that picture. you know when you can't you adamant that she kept like I'm looking at me alone okay. I don't have my phone's not working right now. When I get to the hotel Wifi ousted when we left the guy I I'll call her the plug right because he tells me he's he's a debt with the lady like she just wants pitcher. She's trying to steal my customer and I'm just like dude. What are you talking about. I'm trying not to mess up anything because I finally have good brought up. I'm Brian Good Quality. I'm not trying to mess anything up anybody. The next morning I start thinking like something doesn't seem right. I've read I'm I'm being overcharged. Stitches does not seem right so I start talking to the person that manages the bed breakfast while saying and I'm telling him the prices that are hanging hang. He's like oh no no no no. That's too much. You need to go to this out there. They make good back and I'll take you there. There and I'm like no. You don't understand what I've been through. I need to get my bag. I need to figure out how to ship these bags. I already have paid for the US because there's people important people I know miss. Let me show you he takes me. He takes me to this place way and when I walked up you'll never believe that it was the same as I have been a series but when the guy took when the plug quote in quote Plug Hook me we went all around the corner on a dirt bike up the hill. I didn't know where I was but it was literally doors or down from where I was staying yes and so. I think I'm looking like this to not be real. I can't believe it so I walk in Dan and you know I'm still kind of confused and the lady but I picture with as well as the The guy is that he's over the the shop. They're like you're here by yourself today. It was like they knew I was coming. It was crazy. I just said look. I finally just said what I was feeling. I feel like this guy is cheating me. Tell me no real prices the of these bags and I'm buying combine them once they get the real prices. I find out that he was charging me. Double with the bad was it's plus twenty percent now. He was the regular price plus point percent. I wouldn't have been as set but now you're being greedy. You're double dipping. That's not cool and so they were like we we and the package you know all these boxes or bags. We could've shipped. He see see you but he doesn't want us to. Have Your address and you don't want you to have our address. We we have the licensing the licensing and everything that needed needed the ship. He didn't want he didn't want us to do it. So now. I'm this I across the world uh-huh and you could have easily sent this to me weeks ago. Are you kidding but it worked out because I was able the cut that guy just cut him out catching about he threaten my life. I had to get on the next flight next live back to the US take all my he was sending me all kinds of threatening messages and then he knew where I was staying and even the person in the hotel like he stopped speaking to me because I think the guy also faulders reading the person that hotel it was crazy so I got on the next flight once once. I got my item security and they said we're going to ship them for you. I down the next flight out of there. I couldn't even come straight Atlanta. I want a New York. I didn't tell ah sort of phones and South Dakota I got to the United States of America and and so yeah but I was able to cut him out was cut my cut my costs down yes romatically so and and also if anybody this is just the tip of anybody ever wants to do business internationally and have manufacturer That's that's another country. I strongly suggest that you go and visit those people so although my visit wasn't necessarily planning. I'm glad it happened. They they know me by name they call me and I guess Lisa's hard to say they call me. You know listen what's going on. Mr The happening with your order like I'm not a real person to them not just some random person in the US place in an order or having in you know designing things for me like I am a real person to them and they know what I've been through and they understand my business values and business ethics so oh. It's a it's a better. It's a better situation because we've met so and I would tell anybody if you're able to go and meet the people that are providing you with your products in another country even if in the in this country go shake their hand so talk to them. Go Go see what's going on but I went there and I got those bags. Ah and those bag made it back back to Atlanta before I made it back. They had to make a pit stop in New York. Those bad made a bag lanta before I made it back to Atlanta China and we were able to get the bag out to the players and week out a one week to date I had gotten back from Morocco Russell the first player and I in my feelings you know I was tired my right my feelings were hurt. I was just emotionally drained. I was laying on my so so looking on instagram. I roll and a player had posted my dad and it wasn't just a regular so I guess the team. Photographer took this picture of him in daycare. If he plays for the Fuller Buffalo the buffalo bills used as walking in the snow yes loo- food yep and I thought his bag bag and then I'll look to them all and then I'm off of it and I went back one by that point. He had tagged made leather. Oh nick feel is it was like all right scream Saudi. My hands are shaking. They can like oh my gosh. I can't believe this and at the time he didn't have a huge I think he was he was a rookie. He didn't use fouling but ah over time and now he has a large following but he posted as at least three or four times and there's some other players know posted as well and then the company and then the order started coming in and then then black enterprise like we want to interview you like this is so crazy. I just I just worked in Morocco got a weekend bag and just thought that I was just GonNa be selling this one bag once and that weekend bag large duffel bag briefcases airbag back that like this it's way way. Hey Gordon. I imagine it is so phenomenal. I get so excited watching it. Live the rely okay. was she the next time she teaches. I mean of course no one. I did one like last month. I did a what we did. I did not have to be on the next one because I'm like okay lists now. Listen by this girl the right so now made another. Co is a thing now it is in reality. I believe the thing thing thing and it's not like like a little basket is a thing thing so when you get nauseous. Rem A bag by laying off like this yeah right so we've Gabbara leather call if upper righted like that's a whole nother like you have to do so much just in this time. It's so funny but there are so many lessons from everything that you've length doing. It always turns out for your good and I always tell him. You know what you thank is working against. You always had the purpose for you if you just hold on long enough to see the brighter side of it is in God does not like when he really mealy says that all things work together for your good like it's a real thing phone even though it is you know sometimes there's something in you that you have to grow and develop in before you can really get to the other side so you can you go to Morocco now like I know how can I win. I win again and I'm bold. I went again in January because I had I had to handle things because now it's growing into something else. It's growing another arm of it is commercial like a commercial business to have company contact me that was having a conference in Morocco wanted to give they. I wanted to give their at a leather. What didn't do bad they paid a designed a computer sleep really bit of a Mac book or just any general computer designed to computer sneeze and has their logo on it being as anal as I am before they delivered them because I had my people they were going to my my my team member in those who are going to create create the sleeve leave and go deliver it to the hotel where the conference was it was fifteen hundred twelve hundred pieces that had to be delivered but before they deliver them. I wanted to look look at them myself like yeah. This is my name. This is my business and I want to do business with these people again so I need to make sure everything. Let's everything is so I went back but I think my sister I went that so ah she wouldn't she wouldn't have been able to do much. At least she would've been able to call my kid's sale. The story yeah went back and oversee the delivery of that either so I don't make announcements. That's that's what I don't do because I know he's still Wa. Action had creeps around yeah yeah I don't. I don't really post about it. I don't really I if I post about it. It's I'm probably about elite. Yeah you're already back and you say and it's like okay on there. Omar good once. He has got to be a lot of fun. I know it's a lot of work and it's hard artwork but it's got to be a lot of fun to be able to work. If something that you truly love and do it like in of space that you love like Miraculous Matt somewhere that you just think about okay start a business and it's GonNa be sourced at Morocco but it's such a beautiful rare would soon be able to have the type of success. Come out of that and then not only that like I should've trips of a business. Let you get to have like yeah I get to eat. I get to eat good that I love. I love eating so how boys because I know my kids. They'd be like my six year old. Tells me all the time I mean when I grow up. I'm going to be like you you. I'm GonNa take pictures of my kids and I'm posted on snapchat and easy so boy voice take. I know sometimes people always actually why you don't make them do entrepreneurship and I love your answer because you like if they don't want nobody do nothing. They don't WANNA pay my my youngest son. My youngest would be twelve in August that is that man is he is. He is an entrepreneur entrepreneur by nature like He. He's all into it. I think because listen to me when I started consulting with other entrepreneurs he was you you know they were young. If I had a you know some type of seminars humpback kids were there phone. They'll probably in the car with me are they. They didn't ex- meanwhile was on the phone and I remember I realized that my son had that entrepreneurship because I got off the phone with somebody wanted at the start of something like Kim line or some kind of dumb kind of pin and I remember asking her. How much is it GONNA cost you to buy skins. And how much are you. GonNa sell it for what I'M GONNA sound my pins for eight dollars but it cost me seven fifty two mile and I I think I repeated it somebody to walk out the room one. I got up the phone and that's point. Let's the he must have been. Maybe eight at the time and he said mom just how this wasn't. GonNa work. I mean I have. You said that she had done existing pens. She was going to sell them for eight to make much money Monday. Her and I when I when I have my back I had a friend for over as she wanted to see the bag and I told him I go and get one of my bag. You know show her. I want the personal bag right and so when he was coming downstairs he was taking the straps because the strap off and he had roll the straps and put like some kind of a band around it and show her the bag and he was like mom. This is what you need to start doing because we just take the strategy we put the straps in in the bag and I started doing it like this and so my friend is like I want to buy when it comes to friends and doing business with this really really I'll be honest. It's so hard for me yeah. I don't want to sell my friend bags for you know for the price for that charge. You know a stranger right but my friend was adamant which is like No. I'm supporting you. Whatever you charge on your website that you're gonNA pay for it. I don't know I don't know and then Evan was like mom business business in business. If that's what she wants to pay them just pay it off in he bought he bought some stuff from China. He paid like five cents for these It was an air at ear but what do you call them airport. It was an air pipe case people audit for like I think fifty cents. I don't know something ridiculously cheap and he'd forget. The school unfolded for ten dollars. The mom doing the same thing that you do you buy it for one price and then you sell it smart man and you know what you're right. It's going to be a businessman who and and he fanatic Jackson deals because now he sells candy and he said well I told my friend that only had one box of candy and if he wanted in it he needed to buy it now because somebody in next and the next period wanted it. I said well evidence on somebody wanted to know. What a big sale. How about how old is take care less you know he would. I you know I try to talk to them about business. Different things and it's just like it's not a girl or basketball. Erla your eight here for completely completely. Whatever whatever market sure thing you do it and you do it well right. Just whatever so funny Oh goodness okay let it means back because we're an hour and I don't want to cap you guys in front is your yes so we will figure out how to get back to the show. Intimates allergies like cleese. If there's just one lesson and how you GonNa have to listen to this episode I'm probably GonNA listen to this episode like fifty times because because there's so much that we could go into Whitman as we have not had a chance to dive into it but we will don't worry we will but if there's more much now. Are you share some nuggets. Drop on this podcast that you know you. Don't get that unless you just really have a conversation with people so you know it's our I mean all we can do you back and do to get a once one lesson that you I share with a a woman. That's a position right now where she is. You know we'll talk through that transition period that you went through like what would you tell her she needs to to do to pick ourselves up in Kano re-energize in revamp and get back to where she needs to be. I would say go back back and if if they've written down goals go back and look at those goals remind just south of why you're doing why you whatever it is that you're doing and I just find that fire again. You know don't don't feel like because something didn't work the first time there's not gonna work a second time. Take the lessons from that first first time and use it to make the second time ten times better than the first time and the best way to make it better is I I. This is from a book a book. That's me investor the average and I totally believe in that because when you are upset with something whether you're obsessed with changing your situation making more money building a business whatever it is it's going to happen it. May Not you know maybe maybe your bowl. Maybe a million dollars. Maybe you'll only get five run. It's okay like there's always going to when you're upset and you're pushing for something. That will always be some movement. even if it's a small movement at better than making no movement at all dat is a message all in itself ladies and take key need to that grand card on his a great salesperson if you can get a hold of one of his books especially the one she's talking about things. Go get it. It will change your life when they tell us a little bit about what you got coming up. Where can we connect with you. What's going to happen with may letter that we can take advantage of well in May just with a couple of weeks. I am launching a kick start here. The I know about it started a program because we're trying to do some crowd outstanding so that we can start doing more assessories like passport-holders who laptop fleas while a different things like that so. I'm doing that through kick through kickstarter that is happening and Mesa. They'll be able to get some some of those items assessories at a discount also some of the bags will also be offered at a discount price so that we can find the project and then also also have a blog. You know you mentioned. There are a lot of mom and your audience. I have a block of mom for newer. You and I talked about business. ABC's talked about ballads but now that we can create all ladies. That's I shall lamaze. It's been like I feel like I've known you forever. This show has been so much fun and we will have to figure out a way to do this again. Because there's so much I wanNA talk to you about but here till the next show ladies make sure you go connect with where we need to connect with you the easiest place to find you I'm on Instagram at mom for newer underscore if you uh-huh and then made leather is on instant facebook at made leather clothes made Leather Co.. The handle and it's made Leather Co.. 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Democracy Now! 2020-11-27 Friday

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Democracy Now! 2020-11-27 Friday

"Today a democracy now exclusive. We're an occupied western sahara in lyon the capital of what many call africa's last colony morocco occupied western sahara more than forty years ago and nineteen seventy five four days in western sahara africa's last colony s. We're not backing off until we get our final victory and liberate our homeland. The beatings will not deter us from continuing the fight and then even if we died it will be a sacrifice so that our sons and future generations can live in freedom that we've been denied the mckeever match nothing in this special report. Democracy now breaks the media blockade and goes to occupied western sahara and the northwest corner of africa to document the sahara decades long struggle against morocco's violent occupation. I adore has a souvenirs old. So try to kill her. That my father was keeping up and tortured. And what i tried to take that one day i wouldn't be our feast so We re air our special report. As nearly three decades. Ceasefire western sahara has ended the machen military broken to a southern go buffer zone on november thirteenth to attack. Sahara civilians and exchanged fire with the police. Reo front the saharaui liberation movement seeking independence. Morocco's action came shortly after a top. Us general met with the commander of the royal moroccan armed forces southern zone which includes occupied western sahara as morocco. And the police. Reo engaged on the battlefront. Dozens have been arrested in the occupied territory. Many of the harare's in this film are currently under police siege. Or in hiding all that and more coming up. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the war and peace report. I'm amy goodman today. A democracy now exclusive four days in western sahara africa's last colony western sahara were peaceful. Protesters led by women are beaten in the streets. Thousands have been tortured in prison killed and disappeared. Were resisting the moroccan occupation down day. Saying punk job. Right at my eye with his baton. I was yelling at him. Hey you moroccan. You pulled out my i. We're natural resources are plunder from phosphates to fish. I say that our damn nation comes from the natural resources. We have here if it wasn't for these natural resources. Morocco would never have invaded western sahara mission models asada where a massive wall divides people the sahara. The native population denied a vote for self-determination recidivism in michigan. If we don't speak out especially us victims who have suffered all of this if we don't speak out and defend our cause. This problem remained western sahara the center of a four decades long struggle for independence from morocco. It's neighbor to the north. Morocco has occupied the territory since nineteen seventy five in defiance of the united nations and the international community. The story of western sahara is one of colonialism plunder and resistance. It's also a story rarely told in the international media and it's here in western sahara where the scholar known. Chomsky says the arab spring. I began in late. Two thousand ten before the uprisings in tunisia and egypt moroccan and forces came in destroyed the ten cities lot of killed wounded and so on and then it spread but the struggling western sahara dates back much longer for nearly a century. Western sahara was colonized by spain. But the spanish occupation ended in one thousand nine hundred seventy five setting off a regional fight on october thirty. First nineteen seventy-five. Both morocco from the north and mauritania from the south invaded western sahara. As spain withdrew days after moroccan troops invaded king hassan. The second ordered hundreds of thousands of moroccan citizens to enter western sahara. In what became known as the green march mauritania would withdraw less than four years later but morocco has remained to this day just days. After the moroccan invasion secretary of state henry kissinger privately told president gerald ford. He hoped for a quote rigged. Un vote at the security council to confirm morocco's claim over western sahara about half of the saharawi population fled the invasion to neighbouring algeria. Where they settled in refugee camps in the middle of the desert the moroccan invasion set off a sixteen year long war with the saharawi liberation movement. Known as the polisario front morocco's army with the help of us military aid drove the polisario to western sahara's eastern desert. Morocco then created the world's longest minefield and built the second longest wall honor with the help of us weapons companies northrop and westinghouse. The nearly seventeen hundred mile wall divides sahara's who remain under occupation from those who fled into exile. The moroccan government began decades of torture disappearances carries and repression against pro-independence a harare's living in the occupied territory in nineteen ninety-one the un sponsored a ceasefire and promise the horizon referendum on self-determination organized by its peacekeeping mission known as manure so since then morocco has blocked attempts to organize vote and the un security council has refused to implement its own referendum plan or allow manure so to monitor the human rights situation in the territory today. No country recognizes moroccan sovereignty over western sahara. One of the most inaccessible places in the world and the international media has largely ignored the occupation in part because morocco has routinely blocked journalists from entering western sahara. But in late two thousand sixteen democracy now successfully broke the news blockade. We were in marrakech morocco for the united nations climate change conference with u n credentials and us passports. We decided to take a chance attempt to do what no foreign television crew has done in years. Report from africa's last colony Goodness now we've just landed in. The capital of western sahara africa's last colony hoping to reports of severe occupied by morocco or more than forty years for the airport. Now we'll see what happens. I'm speaking quietly on the plane. Because journalists even western journalists are rarely allowed into western sahara. We don't know if this is. The moment will return back as so many others have been. Maybe it's the un press badges around our necks. Maybe it's our us passports. Or maybe it's just that are arrival was so unexpected but after a check of our documents and a few questions where wave through customs outside the airport. We climb into a car driven by jamal. Our translator and guy. So who are the plain clothes officers at the airport. Those is security officers. Some of them belong to different department. Jamal says we've been observed by local police. The moroccan secret service and intelligence agents the look on his lightning there for this so growth. Oh nearby this walk. We arrive at the hotel. Salwen knowing that the receptionist is obliged to inform the police of our presence we check in quickly and immediately prepared to interview sahara activists in one of our rooms. We don't know how many hours or minutes will have to record before the authorities arrive soon. A small contingent of sahara's enters our first interview is with journalists muhammed my myra he speaks in hushed tones about the torture and murder his family faced at the hands of the moroccan authorities. My father was among four brothers. Were kidnapped athletically. When morocco invaded sarah. So he was arrested. In february twenty seventh mighty and seventy six was two months. He was kidnapped. And then they send him to secluded gels. Well known by. This house added insult of morocco. He spent one year and six months and he was killed indochina. What kind of risk do you take speaking to a western journalists like me i have adult has Souvenirs so i told her when when she asked me. Pollock tat about My father so i tried to kill her tat. My father was getting up toward exit. But i try to teach that one day. I wouldn't be. I would feast eight so were always wait. Why do you take that risk. Because i think this engagement detail freedom. The work of muhammad. Myra citizen journalist group media is documented in the film three stolen cameras. It shows gruesome faint of the sahara. Cameramen who was pushed off a rooftop by police after he was spotted filming a bloody crackdown on a peaceful protests. Letting this whole theme any sudenly. An undercover policeman had detected me on the rooftop four p. deal the huddle shatin suddenly appeared and pushed me over the edge and a of is i fell down on the street. I broke my leg at kucera baena for other policemen drug me on the ground a bit further down the street there was a burning fat phony ereli pulled me over it. It was no accident lacking the home. Care sound they wanted to demonstrate the power and show what happens to those who tried to break the locate. How new castle sorry l. Emmy facing this kind of violence against those who documented morocco's crackdown on dissent. It's remarkable that these were willing to speak with us. We also meet journalists hiatt qatari. Ken media operate here in western sahara. Can you have your own media. The modified lower level the colts who very much harassed the most recent episode was when my sister and has had her camera confiscated and then they arrested her husband and she was brutally treated by authorities over twenty four hours in the police station version inside the bucket. Then kyle apart from when she was trying to videotape a peaceful demonstration at the beach. The from it's now past midnight not long after we finish our interviews. We get a phone call. The hotel receptionist tells us the police are in the hotel lobby demanding to see us. We make our way downstairs to men in plain clothes. Tell us to sit down and worn us against reporting in western sahara up stairs and soon after we learn a pro moroccan government website called sahara zoom had published details about our trip including information about the interviews. We had done in our hotel room that night. The message was clear. We're watching you. This is a democracy now. Special four days in western sahara africa's last colony aloe. That's a hurrah singer. Meriem has son from her album lion on fire. This is a democracy now special four days in western sahara africa's last colony. I'm amy goodman. It's day two of our trip to lyon. The capital of western sahara despite warnings against reporting from here we set off for the offices of a human rights group. We carry all our possessions with us. Assuming our hotel rooms could be searched or we could be deported at a moment's notice everywhere we go. We're followed. We just left our hotel and a man with a motorcycle just outside as we came out he started texting and now he's a little bit behind us. Keeping a careful distance. We've got security on our tail We've made a right and left. And a right we made you turn and the man on a motorcycle is right behind everywhere. We drive or the posters billboards of the king. That's the moroccan king king. Muhammed this we've arrived at the only rockin accepted nonprofit here and liasson There's clearly security setting Right next to the door and the motorcyclists the so-called security is right behind us. The human rights organization has a long name. Aspca h stands for the sahara association. Victims of grave human rights violations committed by the moroccan state the walls of its officer lined with posters and photographs showing the names and faces of the imprisoned. The disappeared the now dead. Melodia jimmy my name is l. Halio jimmy. I'm a former victim of forced disappearance. Thought is i'm the vice president of the sahara Association here. that's where we are right now. It's our association that traces the files of sahara disappearance victims. You would today november twentieth marks. The anniversary of my forced disappearance took place in one thousand nine hundred seventy both many l. value g me describe what happened to you lou. Currently which is what happened to me happens to all the victims diesel specifically the pictures that i saw from abu ghraib prison in iraq. They made me feel that. I lived the same thing. I underwent the same conditions but in darkness. At that time there was nobody to take pictures of us. There is nobody to talk about us. Value jimmy shows us. Her arm left scarred after her. Captors unleashed a dog on her salon. Bear the marks of the dog bites right here. Who did this to you Doolan motherly to leeann. It was the moroccan state and the moroccan police. The secret police the same thing. They did to me they to my grandmother before in one thousand nine hundred eighty four when she was kidnapped and so far. We don't know anything about what happened to her. I was stripped naked. Completely up. she Fully the worst part of the torture as a muslim and arab is that i was stripped naked. Would you shelly. I lost all my hair because of the chemicals. They used on my head which they left on me for two months and twenty seven days later with a lesson ghalia genie sinks to the floor as she continues to describe her torture in moroccan police custody One of the torturers would put water onto my face which was covered with a rag until i started us fixating. Slap my face until i could breathe again. Spit us you. Are you saying they waterboarded you. Yes they poured water on my face. Until i ask succeeded. And then one of them who was at my feet would beat me with the baton split the to polish. We dine in the same area. They had a small hole filled with water. Where they put me up to and then they would bring an electric generator. And they would electrocute me using that technique in my fingers and in my ears with to threaten me with rape to kill me with a pistol to the head and to brainwash me. You were tortured thirty years ago. Do you feel you are taking a risk. can you speak out collegiate hyphen. And i am not afraid. I took a vow that we have to talk about this issue and more killed more. Civic michelle in an athlete added if we don't speak out especially us as victims who have suffered all of this it has limited if we don't speak out and defend our cause this problem will remain limited. The hainault kalymnos hasn't moved. We wanted into mukasa huffing and our interview is interrupted when our guy jamaa receives an urgent phone call. We've been summoned to appear before the most powerful man in lyon we get back into our car and head for his residence once again. We're followed by a man on a motorcycle. Are we about to be deported. Time journalists are turned back as they tried to enter western sahara. Like twelve spanish reporters deported from lions airport after their arrival in two thousand ten including the renown radio reporter unjust barcelo color echinacea. What time they turn us away. You should go and tell the story on going say today. We have tried it again today. The moroccans have such away again. And the spanish journalist yet inspected all my gear cameras photographs and they made me a race photos that according to them were incriminating in gaming audio and human rights observers are deported as well like european parliamentarian willie meyer. Spanish lawmaker zombie gone. A norwegian delegation held on a bus and expelled in two thousand sixteen and many others. All of them tried and failed to do what we had somehow managed to make it into western sahara to report on the occupation. I go into the governor of lyon. His name is mojo. Shop is the one actually recalling. Wally is so much superior position to the governor is appointed by the king. The wally is a sahara and former member of the polisario front. He now works for the moroccan monarchy. Seeing security apparatus that seeks to crush the sahara independence movement. We arrive at his fortified compound and are escorted inside by armed guards. Afraid we're about to be expelled from the territory was inside. The walis residents were seated. Serve tea dates and nuts as the wally toes. Us in no uncertain terms were not allowed to practice journalism in western sahara. If you have to provide this second position if i'm retired. I can even come to your station in the us and to deal enter. We'd be bordering uh-huh but now as far as you have no authority. Despite the wallace warnings. I continue to question him. I quote from a human rights. Watch report titled keeping secret about morocco's efforts to block access to so that's the un mission for a referendum on the status of western sahara nurse. Staff members including military observers are subjected to constant surveillance by morocco. This and internal pressure from nurse so made them reluctant even frightened to speak to our organization. Which is human rights watch except on the explicit condition of anonymity moroccan security forces. This is human rights huber. Which is that the bible. No but i'm are you are you know i'm asking. Are you disagreeing with us. I disagree completely and they. They say confirmed that gender here of suitable the other party moroccan security forces tried to prevent human rights watch from entering the un quarter stating that entry was forbidden to non manure so staff unless it had been cleared with local moroccan authorities first moroccan authorities harassment of human rights. Watch as well as their strict surveillance of its activities an organization's ability to conduct a thorough investigation of human rights and living. They say just anything just to make to make things excite so let me ask you another question which is of concern to many people and the human rights community which is the issue of the protests here being cracked on people being beaten or arrested if you keep about to go station. I'm with completely appreciate to see people demonstrating and to give it. The opinions people got injured so people got injured people. You will see Yousef so you're saying people are not being hurt and the demonstration who was hurt. Those stations slope demonstrations. It's a completely as i continued to press him on human rights. The wally loses his temporary talk about about human rights. Human rights even in the united states. You don't have. Then you have the more one than million people living just in underground in new york and they are eating rates and the less and when they are sick. They are eating better lots democracy. Now you have to get on it in guantanamo and everywhere. That's a very important point. That think i was very to see you because with that we're dismissed and warned against continuing to report from western sahara During our discussion. The wally repeatedly mentioned the close. Us moroccan relationship which dates back to seventeen seventy seven when morocco became the first nation to recognize the united states while the us has never recognized. Moroccan sovereignty over western sahara washington has played a pivotal role ensuring up morocco's occupation. In addition to secretary of state henry kissinger hoping for a rigged vote at the united nations security council regarding western sahara president. Jimmy carter state department in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy nine gave two hundred million dollars to the. Us company northrop page communications to build an intrusion detection system for the nearly seventeen hundred mile wall. Morocco built in western sahara which is lined with an estimated seven million landmines a year later carter provided morocco with two hundred thirty million dollars in military aid. It's been a bi affair ever since king hassan. The second with president reagan in one thousand nine hundred eighty two moral people and american people will be ready always to mix their blood for the dignity of men. His majesty briefed me on the latest developments in his efforts to reach a peaceful settlement of the conflict in the western sahara. And i expressed my admiration for support after the cold war ended. Morocco became a key ally in the so called war on terror in two thousand four president. George w bush designated morocco to be a major non-nato ally of the united states opening the door for more military deals and the money has flowed both ways. The state-owned moroccan phosphate company. Ocp which operates in western sahara donated as much as twelve million dollars to the clinton foundation to the two thousand sixteen election and the wally proudly pulled up a photo on his cell phone from january of nineteen ninety-two showing donald trump is soon to be wife. Marla maples and moroccan king hassan. The second at trump's prime property the plaza hotel in new york jump forward a quarter of a century to now president. Trump's disgraced environmental protection agency administrator. Scott pruitt fryer to his resignation. Pruitt took controversial one hundred thousand dollar trip to morocco in december of two thousand. Seventeen where he met with the head of morocco state owned mining company for its trip was arranged by a lobbyist richard smocking who accompanied pruitt and helped set up meetings for him as we drive through the streets of lyon everywhere are signs of occupation. The city was built up under spain's fascist dictator francisco franco and has been occupied by morocco. Since the mid seventies we pass the united nations manure so compound where just over two hundred. Un peacekeepers monitor the nineteen ninety-one ceasefire between morocco and the police reo but are legally prevented from intervening to stop human rights abuses and we drive past the high walls of the notorious black prison where generations of sahara as have been detained tortured and disappeared. One of them is sahara independence. Activists hama hamas who welcomes us into his home over t. He describes as torture at the hands of the moroccan authorities during his years spent as a political prisoner kalindi linked electrodes to my ears. And something to my underarms and to my ton and then are the sensitive parts collaborate with bill to be yelling maliki animal creative. I was bound and when they used that manual generator i would hear it cranking and in a small each time. They crank generator up. I felt that my heart was going to burst out of my body markham. Just the un secretary general ban ki moon called the moroccan presence in western sahara and occupation. What was your response. you'll be welter clear. We are people. We have a homeland. We have a culture. We have all these things that constitute the country. We are very different from the moroccan impossible for us to be moroccans. We have no common history. There is nothing that links us to them whatsoever. I say that are damnation comes from the natural resources. We have here if it wasn't for these natural resources. Morocco would never have invaded western sahara with the sport of spain and fan spagna. Western sahara is a territory rich natural resources which morocco has exploited since the one thousand nine hundred seventy five invasion despite international court rulings establishing that the kingdom has no sovereignty over the territory. Morocco controls the majority of the world's reserves of phosphates. A mineral used in fertilizers. Such critical to feed the world. Phosphate is transported more than sixty miles along the world's longest conveyor belt from minds in the desert to the port of lyon where it's loaded onto cargo ships bound for the us canada and around the world western sahara's fishing waters are among the richest on earth supplying the european union with much of its seafood foreign energy companies continue to explore for offshore oil even though the un says the prospecting violates international law even western sahara sand is sold loaded onto ships bound for european resorts a pair of recent rulings. By europe's highest court declared western. Sahara is not a part of morocco and that european union trade deals cannot include products from the occupied territory. Ships carrying phosphates from western sahara have been held up in ports and panama and south africa after the polisario challenged ownership of the cargo claiming it belongs to the her i people sahara's are fighting the plunder through peaceful demonstrations and through the courts when they hold protests in their refugee camps in algeria thousands turn out to oppose foreign companies profiting from the occupation like the european oil and gas driller secondly on energy. But when sarah always protest an occupied western sahara they're routinely met with violence by moroccan authorities. It still day two of our trip to western sahara as we cross town to meet with more sahrawi independence activists once again. We're followed by a man. On a motorcycle we arrive making our way past pro-independence graffiti and meet an icon of the sahara resistance. So tanna kaya drapes herself. In the red white black and green flag of western sahara just holding this flag and public is enough to get an activist beaten and arrested. Unless my name is sultana higher. I was born under moroccan role in the occupied city of bush door. I live just like any other woman who subjected to torture and beatings and in my opinion my case was milder than many in two thousand. Seven sultana was peacefully protesting with fellow college students at a university in marrakech morocco. When police surrounded her young. Sam annika may ninth was an anniversary that also always celebrate. What's really hundred a group of five hundred serology students ma. Hey you left. The university campus marching peacefully waving flags and chanting. There are no alternatives to self determination sealed off the street and two norlin. As tear-gas spreads sultana was beaten by police. One of whom singled out for more abuse of classical mcmuffin. One of them recognized me and he jabbed right at my with his baton when he did that. I bent over and i could feel my eyeball in my hand. I was yelling at him. Hey you moroccan. Pulled out my. I saw tana's ordeal continued in an ambulance. She was tortured on her way to the hospital. Concern goodwill. I told them i had a hemorrhage my he tried to put his finger into my eyes. Saw and i didn't get any medical treatment till the next morning at eleven when a group of moroccans came to be telling someone to sew up my i them because when i was in the ambulance another woman was crying. And telling me your is gone. They were trying to so at my eyes so other women could see it and think twice before getting involved in activism they wanted to make an example of can do you have confidence that western sahara will become an independent nation. A kid that's for sure because the determination of the people is invincible. What we've got is true. We've lost many men and women over this one day. It shall be liberated gold even losing her. I has not stopped sultana. Kaya from continuing her protests for western saharan independence as we will witness for ourselves even during our short stay in western sahara avenue. Zid of this bed out of a senior. That's a her always singer mariam hasan from her album lion on fire. This is a democracy now. Special four days in western sahara africa's last colony office on day. Three of our trip to lyon the capital of western sahara. We invite a sahrawi activists to our hotel. Hama okota is stopped by the hotel's receptionist as he tries to enter. She calls authorities to report an unregistered visitor forbidding him from coming upstairs after we push hard and threatened to leave the hotel. She relents saying he could speak to us for five minutes. Hannah okota arrives clutching a photo of his brother who was forcibly disappeared in one thousand nine hundred ninety two. He's been searching for him ever since the who would do. But if young sever this is my brother hafez called deb who was abducted november seventh nineteen ninety-two moroccan plainclothes police. At five. in the morning. To sort of be busy from is also author. Walk for candidate. He was because of his involvement in the demonstration at the najjar hotels november sixth. They woke us up very early in the morning and the situation was very ugly. She thought for her plainclothes policemen came to our house and they abducted him. Where was he taken to math in a month in the under the mcafee in michigan is the information. That we have is inconclusive. Because we didn't see anything in the rest of the people who are abducted with him around five hundred. People were blindfolded. My brother and our neighbor saw. We don't know anything about them. Hundreds released but about two hundred were kept their shimmy. Tinware had them. How did half its disappearance affect your family and lock them gum. It was a land mine that exploded within the family. His presence was the glue that united us become twelve and my father had diabetes. Because of the insults you heard dave the abduction. He became paralysed and remained that way for the rest of his life. Who tonight my mother would not dare to enter the home again. And she stayed with my other siblings for year. Bali makola alad won't my call upon all the free world and all the people in the world to help us revealed truth about my brother's whereabouts call upon the moroccan government to reveal the fate of all of our sons on october. Ninth two thousand ten. Tens of thousands of sahara's fed up with decades of occupation erected a large protest and canton in the desert. Outside lyon known as gme is the camp preceded the arab spring and quickly grew to include whole families living among thousands of tents. This is human rights activists as laying out the protesters demands. I'm on if you start your freedom of speech freedom to demonstrate the right to housing the right to work may daughter in a legal context of the territories of western sahara as nana thomas territories speaking on democracy now renowned author and activists known trombski. Called the gme. zeke uprising. The start of the arab spring the current wave of protests actually began last november in western sahara. Which is under moroccan rule after brutal invasion and occupation on the moroccan forces came in carried out destroyed the ten cities a lot of killed wounded so on and then it spread november. Two thousand ten rockin forces used tear gas clubs and water cannons to force the protesters from their tents before firing live rounds and setting the camp on fire. The polisario says the raid killed thirty six people with many hundreds more injured and arrested. Many were tortured in custody including twenty-three activists accused of contributing to the violence. They were tried convicted and given harsh sentences in july of two thousand seventeen. It was the latest chapter in a long history of repression against soccer. Always at the hands of moroccan forces. Many of those detained were represented by the sahara lawyer. Muhammad labib or gbi. He's a former activists who has disappeared moroccan prisons for sixteen years. He's also the brother of the recently. Deceased polisario leader mohamed abdelaziz. Rgb is one of just four saharaui lawyers permitted by morocco. To try cases in court pod mood to be the first stage of the arrests were made there and they were brutal beyond imagination so they use an extensive number of strange tools for torture and beatings who met fee and about the home. Some of the prisoners were even forced to drink their own urine. They should up for the interrogation judge covered in blood omen. Why was good. Ahah music such a turning point what happened. Why were people protesting. did they. music con Nook the has dame zeke was a turning point because it was a very genuine form of mass protests like western sahara has never witnessed nor has the rest of the world audience. Some have called it the first arab spring before tunisia and before egypt. And i'm doing shirk then. The kind of mocha demeter rabin arab. Yes without any doubt. This was the beginning of the arab spring every media outlet after getting musique could only talk about how well organized well managed and well prepared the protest in western sahara. Was he is he bam fasano woman from here at spread to tunisian egypt. Electron so of course. When the american academic noted that this was the beginning of the arab spring he was correct. Alabi forgot gun. I'd also up after leaving. Muhammad office we drive to a restaurant near the airport for dinner as usual where followed so. We sat down here at a restaurant near the airport laying into vast empty restaurants and within about fifteen minutes after we ordered about hundred mainly men. Some women dressed in traditional west saharan. Dress carrying moroccan flags all came in and they sat down. All around us has an english sign. That says shame on you when our translator dramatic got up to see what was going on plainclothesmen. Not in traditional dress came up to him and said they wanna speak to amy goodman When we're done our car has been hamden by a number of cars and we also hear. There was a protest in another part of the city. Where one of the people we interviewed was beaten up. We just did something. Submission smarter boulevard booth. Who he touching. S jesse was not spitting masseuse and it was. Some of the people here came over Very close to us and took pictures. We're eager to leave so we can find out what happened to hannah al cotton and other protesters across town but the moment we stand up we're followed out of the restaurant by the crowd. Outdoors were surrounded on all sides and prevented from driving away. The pro morocco protesters large custom banners printed on vinyl their starkly reminiscent of the banner photographed at a moroccan state-sanctioned protests against the un secretary. General ban ki moon in march of two thousand sixteen after he used the word occupation back at the restaurant. One of the vinyl banners with red and black lettering has a photo of me interviewing a saharaui activists with the caption. Shame on you. We're standing here outside of a restaurant that we came to near the airport called a group of fifty sixty seventy people and the west saharan dress have descended on the restaurant carrying signs that say shame on you journalist person of algeria yes for the american moroccan friendships and dismembering countries goes hand in hand with strengthening the isis. I thought we'd start by talking to one of the organizers who is Freelance journalists who trained in rhode island. So if you could tell us your name By the way. I'm that's one of the guys so i'm just volunteering with the people. My fellow to talk to you about what they think of your visit. Some of our general religion to the issue. And how did you know that. I was at this restaurant. We'll only you know this is a small town and everybody knows everybody will never forget. Delagation comes to to the area so everybody is aware of this series and empty restaurant just came in five minutes. This is a restaurant which is well known to the people on the for example when maybe one of my cousins with their he would he would immediately check why they're here and you're just setting with sixty People in west saharan people are gathering the told me to volunteer with them for the interpretation as we speak with die. A number of men in plain clothes stand on the perimeter taking photos and video. Speaking on cellphones local activists would later identify some of them as members of the moroccan interior ministry including at least one official. Who's been accused of torturing many sahrawis celcom soka regional coordinator for the national front for the defence of national integrity in your i came here to represent my organization to say that we saw her always are in our territory and we will do anything to defend right. But how did you know i was here. And we'll talk about always following the news and this is something that concerns me. I'm required to know this. Was i in the news at this restaurant. Now as you know. This is normal. You're always aware of who comes to our territory when it comes to the national cause. Who told you that i was here. The this is the main restaurant in my city. I came to visit. And suddenly i saw you. And you carry moroccan flags with you everywhere you go. It's very customary to be giving a moroccan flags and the restaurant. Pop anna nicole smith one of them of course i'm representing an organization whose main goal is to defend the national interest. The flags are always in our homes always on our persons. Our flags are always ready. Thank god always prepared. I saw one person caring giving them out. Were basically helping him. Do you understand me. Some of us responsible for the national flags others for communication or is always organized and ready own up. Now it's getting dark. We're getting increasingly nervous. The sun sets on the restaurant obama as the pro morocco. Protesters prevent us from leaving for over an hour. It's a clear effort to intimidate us and to keep us away from the protests across town. When we're finally able to escape jamal receives a call. A number of sahara activists have been badly beaten. We raced to the home where they're gathered to recover from their injuries inside. We find a number of women tending to an activist named aziz visa. Who's wreck chang in volley from her injuries. Should she go to a hospital meds michigan to hospital because they will not admit mitterrand. She's also too scared to go there. The activists have recorded video of their protests and subsequent beatings moroccan forces on cell phones and camcorders. What our cameras couldn't capture citizen journalists. Could we begin downloading their footage as activists meena. Bali describes what happened. Look those women because of your presence here. We wanted to have a protest and show you how things are here. How you're treated senator about two years. Any journalists have access the territory who shot off. Eighteen abatement became chanting slogans making signs with our fingers as usual and they intervened against us in the street. Houma career not more thoroughly and if they were large group they pushed us into a narrow street they took me one of them grabbed. My hair started beating. Wounded me here under my nose. You grabbed my breasts and continued beating against the wall. He's the and he struck her in the kidney and hit her head against the wall and then she fell on the ground at my feet and money was being dragged there and kaia. I'm gonna go with the women to see their ruses. They're gonna show me and then we'll see what we can show the cameras we follow satanic kaya into a small bedroom. She pulls back her malfa her traditional sahara robe and shows me fresh bruises on her legs both arms on her breast so trying to describe what happened to all of us were participating swales and the peaceful demonstrations for right to self-determination. I was trying to gather my sisters for the protest. Five o'clock and the whole area was beseeched. any come. they were insulting us. Beating us dragging us in using violence to let us know that we weren't going to be able to protest. They tried to single us out and pushed us into narrow streets where they can beat us without anyone. Observing up. who what you saw today is nothing compared to what we've witnessed over and over since nineteen seventy five but the news never gets out. How women were not backing off until we get our final victory and liberate beatings will not deter us from continuing the fight and even if we die it will be a sacrifice so that our sons and future generations can live in the freedom that we've been denied early any mashing not in alabama. No other sahara's have been injured as well. My food lafc here. S black and blue bruises on her arms. They hit me on the slapped me on the face and beat me underneath my i gue- galeano germany pulls back her malfa to show us gruesome injuries both her arms and both breasts or badly bruised like a number of these women. She's been sexually assaulted down your arm you black and blue marks and on your breast rate of the nipple. The police grabbed her. And you see all of the marxist black and blue marks in the red marks this very very but engine ones intervene against us one of them pulled and twisted me by my breasts and i was screaming out loud. Hey you're hurting my breasts. But he didn't care next. We meet the man who risked his safety to film the assault on protesters from a nearby rooftop. Hammoud lee is a citizen journalist with the group it keep media my name. How can you describe what you're watching here morning. Had to your money when a man plainclothes pulling her into a narrow street where they could beat her up in his street where they usually beat has never been recorded before has forced them here because they knew people were using their cameras to document everything on the main street. I was lucky to get a clear shot of what was happening to meena bali and he's a visa but unfortunately this informer saami and then notified all others have and then what happened back then. I tried to move to the next window out of sight but my hiding place was revealed. Marlin movie when they saw me. They tried to break down the door and they stormed the building. The house owner went outside and they beat him up. I fled the house. I closed the door to the rooftop and jump to another house to save the camera gear and that was my exit. Why are you a media activist. Why do you video renuka vilakazi his little because there's a total media blackout across the region and there is no international media to cover everything that's happened out and and we volunteers activists. This is so we can transmit the suffering to the outside world through our cameras. Come back in the living room. As abuser has stopped vomiting from our injuries and it's propped up on pillows. She's able to speak with us with her husband and teenage son sitting beside her he started beating me up out there and kicking my stomach then. They tried to strangle me by my mouth. I felt something around my throat. And i couldn't breathe then i fainted. I don't remember anything. I just remember that. I found myself here. You said they kicked you in your kidney. Yes and also they kicked me in my head which already had stitches from previous speeding and then kicked my ribs and yet you still came out for another demonstration. Why is it so important to you. I want him at a new book. This very important for me because of my country. Because i want to live like other women in the world and freedom and to see my children and my country free. What are you calling for and not call on the free world to help us free our country to get liberated so that we can live our lives normal women around the world that will after leaving the activists we return to our hotel. It's dark where certain were under. Heavy surveillance was another new car. Drove away soon. There's a promotion outside our room on the boulevard. the love cars are making u-turns outside of our hotel. Their drivers clearly alarmed over something happening further up the street. Jamal gets a phone call from muhammad myra of media. He describes the police violence. He's witnessing nearby. We climb a set of stairs to the hotel's rooftop. We spot protesters on a sidewalk below a few hundred feet away. They begin to scatter just as hotels. Night manager demands. We leave or you know you here. We quietly descend in return to our room from our window. We spot about a dozen men throwing stones then turning and running away moments later. Police in riot gear arrive charging the protesters and throwing rocks of their own as the night whereas on the confrontation between saharawi activists and the police winds down. We heard later. There'd been arrests. We spend our few remaining hours at the hotel taking precautions. To protect the footage we'd recorded over our trip to occupied western sahara. The way to the airport right now will even the hotel owner at the gate. We pass through the final gauntlet of moroccan Or intelligence agents as we head to the plane. One of them says a hope. You had a good time in moroccan. Sahara moroccan sahara. the term. The moroccan government uses but no country in the world officially recognizes. Morocco occupies western sahara africa's last colony love for democracy. Now i'm amy goodman with john hamilton. Mike burke and dennis moynahan this has been a democracy now special four days in western sahara africa's last colony a nearly three decades ceasefire in western sahara recently ended after the moroccan military broke into a southern no go buffer zone on november thirteenth to attack. Sahara civilians and exchanged fire with the police. Reo front the sahara lebron movement seeking independence as morocco. And the police. Reo engage on the battlefront. Dozens have been arrested in the occupied territory. Many of the harare's in this film are currently under police. Siege or in hiding four days in western sahara was directed by john hamilton and produced with our news director. Mike burke and dennis morgan han special thanks to medina county on julie. Crosby miriam barnard brendan allen. Hugh grant and those who helped us along the way all music by the late. Sugihara singer mariam hasson goodman.

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"The today democracy now exclusive where an occupied west sahara in lyon the capital of what. Many call africa's last colony. Morocco occupied western sahara more than forty years ago and nineteen seventy five days in western sahara africa's last colony. We're not backing off until we get our final victory and liberate our homeland. Beatings will not deter us from continuing the fight and then even if we died it will be a sacrifice so that our sons and future generations can live in freedom that we've been denied the keep match in this special report. Democracy now breaks the media blockade and goes to occupied western sahara in the north west corner of africa to document the sahara decades. Long struggle against morocco's violent occupation. I adore has a seven years old. So try to kill her. That my father was keeping up and tortured and takes it. But i tried tried to take that one day. I wouldn't be our feast so We air our special report. As the united states becomes the first nation in the world to recognize morocco's annexation of western sahara. The trump administration announced a major policy shift on december tenth international human rights. Day as part of the deal that saw morocco become the fourth nation to normalize ties to israel in recent months. Trump's decision on western sahara has received widespread international condemnation. The united nations has stated its position regarding western sahara remains unchanged meanwhile but nearly three decades ceasefire in western sahara also recently ended after the moroccan military broke into a southern no go buffer zone on november thirteenth to attack saharaui civilians and exchange. Fire the polisario front the saharawi liberation movement seeking independence as morocco and the polisario engage on the battlefront. Dozens have been arrested in the occupied territory. Many of the sahara's in this film are currently under police siege. Or in hiding all that and more coming up. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the war peace report. I'm amy goodman today. A democracy now exclusive four days in western sahara africa's last colony western sahara were peaceful. Protesters led by women beaten in the streets. Thousands have been tortured in prison killed and disappeared while resisting the moroccan occupation. Saying job. right at my eye with his baton. i was yelling at him. Hey you moroccan. You pulled up my behalf where natural resources are plundered from phosphates to fish. I say that our damnation comes from the natural resources. We have here if it wasn't for these natural resources. Morocco of never have invaded western sahara. Melva where a massive wall divides people the saharaouis. The native population denied a vote for self-determination Michigan if we don't speak out especially us as victims who have suffered all of this if we don't speak out and defend our cause this problem over main. The western sahara the center of four decades long struggle for independence from morocco. It's neighbor to the north. Morocco has occupied territory since nineteen seventy five in defiance of the united nations and the international community. The story of western sahara is one of colonialism plunder and resistance. It's also a story rarely told in the international media and it's here in western sahara with a scholar known chomsky says the arab spring. I began in late. Two thousand ten before the uprisings in tunisia and egypt moroccan forces in destroy the ten cities a lot of killed wounded and so on and then it spread but the struggling western sahara dates back much longer for nearly a century. Western sahara was colonized by spain. But the spanish occupation ended in one thousand nine hundred seventy five setting off a regional fight on october thirty. First nineteen seventy-five. Both morocco from the north and mauritania from the south invaded western sahara. As spain withdrew days after moroccan troops invaded king hassan. The second ordered hundreds of thousands of moroccan citizens to enter western sahara. In what became known as the green march mauritania would withdraw less than four years later but morocco has remained to this day just days. After the moroccan invasion secretary of state henry kissinger privately told president gerald ford. He hoped for a quote rigged. Un vote at the security council to confirm morocco's claim over western sahara about half of the sahara population fled the invasion to neighbouring algeria. Where they settled in refugee camps in the middle of the desert. The moroccan invasion set off a sixteen year long war with the sahara liberation movement. Known as the police. Reo front morocco's army with the help of us. Military aid drove the polisario to western sahara's eastern desert morocco that the world's longest minefield and built the second longest wall on earth with the help of us weapons companies northrop and westinghouse. The nearly seventeen hundred mile wall divides saharawis who remain under occupation from those who fled into exile. The moroccan government began decades of torture disappearances killings and repression against pro-independence harare's living in the occupied territory in one thousand nine hundred ninety one the un sponsored a ceasefire and promised sahara as a referendum on self-determination organized by its peacekeeping mission known as minurso since then morocco has blocked attempts to organize the vote and the un security council has refused to implement its own referendum plan or allow manure so to monitor the human rights situation in the territory and the international media has largely ignored the occupation in part because morocco has routinely blocked journalists from entering western sahara but in late two thousand sixteen democracy now successfully broke the news blockade. We were in marrakech morocco for the united nations climate change conference with un credentials us passports. We decided to take a chance and attempt to do what no foreign television crew has done in years. Report from africa's last colony now we've just landed in life you. The capital of western saharan africa's last colony hoping to report on five by morocco. For more than four year for at the airport. Now we'll see what happens. I'm speaking quietly on the plane. Because journalists even western journalists are rarely allowed into western sahara. We don't know if this is. The moment will be turned back as so many others have been. Maybe it's the un press badges around our necks. Maybe it's our us passports. Or maybe it's just that are arrival was so unexpected but after a check of our documents and a few questions where wave through customs outside the airport. We climb into a car driven by jamal. Our translator and guy. So who are the plain clothes officers at the airport. Those security officers Belong to different department. Jamal says we've been observed by police. The moroccan secret service and intelligence agents. Look i'm there for this so growth villainy by the we arrive at the hotel saw one knowing that the receptionist is obliged to inform the police of our presence. We check in quickly and immediately prepared to interview sahrawi activists in one of our rooms. We don't know how many hours or minutes will have to record before the authorities arrive soon. A small contingent of sahara always enters our first interview is with journalists muhammed myra he speaks in hushed tones about the torture and murder his family faced at the hands of the moroccan authorities. My father was among four brothers. Were kidnapped now. Typically when morocco invaded the western sahara's. So who was arrested in february twenty seventh mighty seventy six two months and was kidnapped and then they send him to succeed. Gels well known by this house at this insult of morocco. His spent one year and six months until was killed in the to. What kind of risk do you take speaking to a western journalists like me. I have adult as souvenirs. So i told her when she asked me about My father so. I tried to kill her. That my father was kidnapped tortured and dictator. But i try to her. That one day i won't be feast. Sentate so we're always waiting. Why do you take that risk. Because i think these engagement until freedom. The work of muhammad myra citizen journalist group media is documented in the film three stolen cameras. It shows the gruesome fate of sahara cameramen. Who was pushed off a rooftop by police after he was spotted filming a bloody crackdown on a peaceful protest team. Busy mabini. Suddenly an undercover policeman had detected me on the rooftop. Info p the huddle fish at ten. What i'm old day suddenly appeared and pushed me over the edge as i fell down on the street. I broke my leg at kusa. Any athena hurry other policemen drug me on the ground this a bit. Further down the street there was a burning tire devouring. He pulled me over it. It was no accident letting the home cattle yes. They wanted to demonstrate the power unsure. What happens to those who try to break the enemy facing this kind of violence against those who documented morocco's crackdown on dissent. It's remarkable that these salaries were willing to speak with us. we also meet journalists hiatt qatari. Ken media operate here in western sahara. Can you have your own media. The immense amount of followed. Linda little colts. Who are very much harassed. The most recent episode was when my sister has holiday had her camera confiscated and then they arrested her house and she was brutally treated by the authorities over twenty four hours in the police station to khan said little then kyle huffing apart from one was trying to videotape a peaceful demonstration at the beach of former from. It's now past midnight not long after we finish our interviews. We get a phone call. The hotel receptionist tells us the police are in the hotel lobby demanding to see us. We make our way downstairs to men in plainclothes tell us to sit down and warn us reporting in western sahara. We go back upstairs and soon after we learn a pro moroccan government website called sahara zoom had published details about our trip including information about the interviews. We had done in our hotel room that night. The message was clear. We're watching you. This is a democracy now special four days in western sahara africa's last colony. That's a heroic singer. Meriem has son from her album lion on fire. This is a democracy now special four days in western sahara africa's last colony. I'm amy goodman. It's day two of our trip to loon. The capital of western sahara despite warnings against reporting from here we set off for the offices of human rights group. We carry all our possessions with us. Assuming our hotel rooms could be searched or we could be deported at a moment's notice everywhere we go. we're followed. We just left our hotel and a man with a motorcycle just outside as we came out he started texting and now he's a little bit behind us. Keeping a careful distance we've got security on our tail We've made a right and left and right we turn and man on a motorcycle is right behind everywhere. We drive or the posters billboards of the king. That's the moroccan king king mohammed. The six year we've arrived at the only. A moroccan accepted nonprofit here and lion There's clearly security sitting right. Next to the door and motorcyclists the so-called security is right behind us. The human rights organization has a long name. Aspca vh stands for the saharaui association of victims of grave. Human rights violations committed by the moroccan state. The walls of its office are lined with posters and photographs showing the names and faces of the imprisoned. The disappeared the now. Dead melodia jimmy. My name is l. colleague jimmy. I'm a former victim of forced disappearance. I'm the vice president of the sahara. We associate here. That's where we are right now. It's our association that traces the files disappearance victims. Who would today november twenty marks the anniversary of my forced disappearance which took place in one thousand nine hundred seventy s both many allow. Jimmy describe what happen to you. Lou credit which what happened to me happen to all the victims diesel specifically the pictures that i saw from abu ghraib prison in iraq. They made me feel that. I lived the same thing that i underwent the same conditions but in darkness. At that time there was nobody to take pictures of us. There is nobody to talk about us. Value jimmy shows us. Her arm left scarred after her. Captors unleashed a dog on her own is still bear. The marks of the dog bites right here. Who did this to you Doolan mallaby yo attitude. It was the moroccan state and the moroccan police. The secret police the same thing they did to me. They did to my grandmother before in one thousand nine hundred eighty four when she was kidnapped and so far. We don't know anything about what happened to her. I was stripped naked. Completely bob. she fully. The worst part of the torture as a muslim and arab was that i was stripped naked. Will you got shelly. I lost all my hair because of the chemicals. They used on my head which they left on me for two months and twenty seven days. Shouldn't we do russell guy. Jimmy sinks to the floor as she continues to describe her torture in moroccan police custody via little one of the torturers would put water onto my face which was covered with a rag until i started us fixating and then he would slap my face until i breathe again. Spit us you. Are you saying they waterboarded. You put yes. They poured water on my face until i exceeded and then one of them who is at my feet would beat me with a baton million to polish. We done in the same area. They had a small hole filled with water. Where they put me up to and then they would bring an electric generator. And they would electrocute me using that technique in my fingers and in my ears so for me to do they threaten me with rape to kill me with a pistol to the head and to brainwash me. You were tortured thirty years ago. Do you feel you are taking a risk. When you speak out the khalid. And i am not afraid. I took a vow that we have to talk about this issue. Komo and michelle on earth lula and co golfer. If we don't speak out especially us as victims who have suffered all of this to who your head if we don't speak out and defend our cause. This problem will remain limited. The hanes kalymnos hasn't mode early. We are willing to mukalla huffing insult. Our interview is interrupted when our guide jamaa receives an urgent phone call. We've been summoned to appear before the most powerful man in loon we get back into our car and head for his residents once again were followed by a man on a motorcycle. Are we about to be deported. Time after time journalists are turned back as they tried to enter western sahara. Like twelve spanish reporters deported from lions airport after their arrival in two thousand ten including the renowned radio reporter unjust barcelo financially. What about the super spy. Every time they turn us away you should go and tell the story on. Go insane today. We have tried it again and today. The moroccan have such away again and the spanish journalist yet inspected all my gear cameras photographs. And they made me a race photos that according to them were incriminating in getting to yes. Liberty and human rights observers are deported as well like european parliamentarian willie meyer. Spanish lawmaker zobeir on sunday. A norwegian delegation held on a bus and expelled in two thousand sixteen and many others. All of them tried and failed to do what we had somehow managed to make it into western sahara to report on the occupation. Go into the governor of lyon. His name is mojo. Vivo shop is the one actually recalling. Wally it's a much better position to the governor is appointed by the king. The wally is a saharaui and former member of the pulsar. oh front. He now works for the moroccan monarchy. Overseeing a security apparatus that seeks to crush the sahara we independence movement. We arrive at his fortified compound and are escorted inside by armed guards. Afraid we're about to be expelled from the territory. It was a long with inside the wall as residents were seated. Serve tea dates and nuts. As the wally tells us in no uncertain terms were not allowed to practice journalism in western sahara. If you have hopefully vision. I would be more funding to provide this second position. If i'm retired. I can even come to you station in the us and to deliver that. We'd be both but now as far as you have no authority. Despite the warnings. Continue to question him. I quote from a human rights. Watch report titled keeping it secret about morocco's efforts to block access to manure so that's the un mission for a referendum on the status of western sahara nursing. Staff members including military observers are subjected to constant surveillance by morocco. This and internal pressure from manure so made them reluctant even frightened to speak to our organization. Which is human rights watch except on the explicit condition of anonymity moroccan security forces. This is human rights watch hugo. Is that the bible. No but i'm are you. Are you know i'm asking are you disagreeing with. Sr disagree completely. They they say we'll confront him agenda. We have suitable the other party. Moroccan security forces tried to prevent human rights watch from entering the un headquarters stating that entry was forbidden to non minor so staff unless it had been cleared with local moroccan authorities first moroccan authorities harassment. Human rights watch as well as their strict surveillance of its activities in the organization is ability to conduct a thorough investigation of human rights victory. They say just anything just to make excite so let me ask you another question which is of concern to many people in the human rights community. Which is the issue of the protests. Here being cracked down on people being beaten or arrested if you are talking about this station. I'm with completely appreciate to see people demonstrating and to give opinions. White people got injured. So people got injured people. You will see but the news. So you're saying people are not being hurt and demonstration who was hurt by those institutions slope stations. It's a completely as i continued to press him on human rights. The wally loses his temporary talk about about about human rights. Human life even in united states. You don't have then you have the more won. The million people living just in underground new york and they are eating rates and the glass and when they are sick they are eaten by the lots that democracy now where you have to work on it in guantanamo and everywhere. That's a very important point that i just wanted to say because we're that we're dismissed and warned against to report from western sahara during our discussion. The walli repeatedly mentioned the close. Us moroccan relationship which dates back to seventeen seventy seven when morocco became the first nation to recognize the united states while the us has never recognized. Moroccan sovereignty over western sahara washington has played a pivotal role ensuring up morocco's occupation. In addition to secretary of state henry kissinger hoping for a rigged vote at the united nations security council regarding western sahara president. Jimmy carter state department in nineteen seventy nine gave two hundred million dollars to the. Us company northrop page communications to build an intrusion detection system for the nearly seventeen hundred mile wall. Morocco built in western sahara which is lined with an estimated seven million landmines a year later carter provided morocco with two hundred thirty million dollars in military eight. It's been a bipartisan affair. Ever since king. Hassan the second with president. Reagan in nineteen eighty. Two moral people and emory people will be ready always to mix their blood for the dignity of men. His majesty briefed me on the latest developments in his efforts to reach a peaceful settlement of the conflict in the western sahara. And i express my admiration for support after the cold war ended. Morocco became a key us ally in the so-called war on terror in two thousand four president. George w bush designated morocco to be a major non-nato ally of the united states opening the door for more military deals and the money has flowed both ways. The state owned moroccan phosphate company. Ocp which operates in western sahara donated as much as twelve million dollars to the clinton foundation prior to the two thousand sixteen election and the wally proudly pulled up a photo on his cell phone from january of nineteen ninety-two showing donald trump is soon to be wife. Marla maples and moroccan king hassan. The second at trump's prime property the plaza hotel in new york. Jim forward a quarter of a century to now president. Trump's disgraced environmental protection agency administrator scott pruitt prior to his resignation pruitt took a controversial one hundred thousand dollar trip to morocco in december of two thousand seventeen where he met with the head of morocco state owned mining company. Pruitt's trip was arranged by lobbyist. Richard smocking who accompanied pruitt and helped set up meetings for him as we drive through the streets of leeann everywhere are signs of occupation. The city was built up under spain's fascist dictator francisco franco and has been occupied by morocco. Since the mid seventy s we pass the united nations manure so compound we're just over two hundred. Un peacekeepers monitor the nineteen ninety-one ceasefire between morocco and the polisario but are legally prevented from intervening to stop human rights abuses and we drive past the high walls of the notorious black prison where generations of sahara always have been detained tortured and disappeared. One of them is harare. Independence activists ahmad hamad who welcomes us into his home over t. He describes his torture at the hands of the moroccan authorities during his years spent as a political prisoner thoroughly the linked electrodes to my ears. And something to my underarms and to my tongue and then other sensitive parts keeping deliver with early build the yelling monica. And i'm what if i was born and when they used that manual generator i would hear a cranking tolman wild and in a small each time day. Crank that generate up. I felt that my heart is going to burst out of my body being with monica and jeopardy. The un secretary general ban ki moon called the moroccan presence in western sahara an occupation. What was your response. you'll will be well to. My answer is clear. We are a people. We have a homeland. We have a culture. We have all these things that constitute the country. We are very different from the moroccan. It's impossible for us to be moroccans. We have no common history. There's nothing that links us to them whatsoever. I say that are damnation comes from the natural resources we have here. If it wasn't for these natural resources. Morocco would never have invaded western sahara with the sport of spain and fan. Sonya off western sahara is a territory rich in natural resources which morocco has exploited since the nineteen seventy five invasion despite international court rulings establishing that the kingdom has no sovereignty over the territory. Morocco controls the majority of the world's reserves of phosphates. A mineral used in fertilizers. That's critical to feed in the world. Phosphate is transported more than sixty miles along the world's longest conveyor belt from minds in the desert to the port of lyon where it's loaded onto cargo ships bound for the us canada and countries around the world western sahara's fishing waters are among the richest on earth supplying the european union with much of its seafood foreign energy companies. Continue to explore for offshore oil even though the un says the prospecting violates international law even western sahara sand is so loaded onto ships bound for european resorts a pair of recent rulings. By europe's highest court declared western. Sahara is not a part of morocco and the european union. Trade deals cannot include products from the occupied territory. Ships carrying phosphates from western sahara have been held up in ports and panama and south africa after the police. Reo challenged of the cargo. Claiming it belongs to the sahara. People always are fighting the plunder through peaceful demonstrations and through the courts when they hold protests in their refugee camps. In algeria thousands turn out to oppose foreign companies profiting from the occupation like the european oil and gas driller san leon energy but when sarah always protests and occupied western sahara they're routinely met with violence by moroccan authorities. It still day two of our trip to western sahara as we cross town to meet with more sahrawi independence activists once again were followed by a man on a motorcycle. We arrive making our way past pro-independence graffiti and meat and i can of the sahara resistance. Sultana kaya drapes herself in the red white black and green flag of western sahara just holding this flag and public is enough to get an activist beaten and arrested. My name is sultana higher. Buddy was born under moroccan rule in the occupied city bush door. I live just like any other surrounding women who subjected to torture and beatings and in my opinion my case was milder than many other in two thousand seven so tanna was peacefully protesting with fellow college at a university in marrakech morocco. When police surrounded her young samay annika me ninth was an anniversary that also raleigh street celebrate. Really hundred can then. We were a group of five hundred zero students. How much we're gonna. Hey you left. The university campus marching peacefully waving flags and chanting. There are no to self determination. Field off the street and europa in it. For as tear-gas spreads sultana was beaten by police. One of whom singled her out for more abuse classical often one of them recognized me jabbed right at my eye with his baton when he did that. I bent over. And i feel my eyeball in my hand. I was yelling at him. Hey you moroccan. Pulled out my. I saw tana's ordeal continued in an ambulance. Says she was tortured on her way to. The hospital consume go do i. I told him. I had a hemorrhage in my eye. He tried to put his finger into my eyes saw lamilla. That didn't get any medical treatment till the next morning at eleven. When a group of moroccans came to be telling someone to sew up my i. Because when i was in the ambulance another woman was crying. And telling me your is gone. They were trying to my eyes so other women could see it and think twice before getting involved in activism. They wanted to make an example of metal can. Do you have confidence that western sahara will become an independent kids. That's for sure because the determination of the people is invincible. What we've got his true. We've lost many men and women over this one day. It shall be liberated even losing her. I has not stopped sultana. Kaya from continuing her protests for western saharan independence as we will witness for ourselves even during our short stay in western. Sahara out do this. Yeah a that's a heroic singer meriem hassan from her album lion on fire. This is a democracy now special. Four days in western sahara africa's last colony on day three of our trip to lyon the capital of western sahara. We invite a sahraoui activists to our hotel. How oakland tab is stop by the hotel's receptionist as he tries to enter. She calls authorities to report an unregistered visitor forbidding him from coming upstairs after we push hard and threatened to leave the hotel. She relents saying he could speak to us for five minutes. How kota arrives clutching a photo of his brother who was forcibly disappeared in nineteen ninety-two he's been searching for him ever since Who would have thought if young sever this is my brother. Huffman coach who was abducted november seventh nineteen ninety-two by moroccan plainclothes police at five. In the morning to be busy from hamas walk for candidate he was because of his involvement in the demonstration. The nausea november sixth. They woke us up very early in the morning in the situation was very ugly and she the thought for her plainclothes policemen came to our house and they abducted him. Where was he taken to. Manson kathy in michigan the information. That we have is inconclusive. Because we didn't see anything in the rest of the people who are abducted with around five hundred. People were blindfolded. My brother and our neighbor son. We don't know anything about them. Hundreds were released about two hundred were kept there shimmy. Meanwhile had the mountain way of how did have its disappearance affect your family and it was a land mine that exploded within. The family is presence. Was the glue that united us. Hey become and my father had diabetes. Because of the insults you heard on that day of the abduction. He became paralyzed. Remain that way for the rest of his life who my mother would not dare to enter the home again and she stayed with my other siblings for bottom of kula alad won't bother my call upon all the free world and all the people in the world to help us reveal the truth about my brother's whereabouts moroccan government to reveal the fate of all of our sons de on october ninth. Two thousand ten tens of thousands of sahara's fed up with decades of occupation erected a large protests encampment in the desert outside lyon known as gme the camp preceded the arab spring and quickly grew to include whole families living among thousands of tents. This is human rights. Activists nana laying out the protesters demands. Express your money your freedom of speech freedom to demonstrate the right to housing the right to work daughter legal context of the territories of western sahara nana thomas territories speaking on democracy now renowned author and activist known. Trombski called the gme music uprising. The start of the arab spring the current wave of protests actually a began last november in western sahara which is under moroccan rule after brutal invasion and occupation moroccan forces came in carried out destroyed the ten cities of killed wounded and so on and then it spread november. Two thousand ten moroccan forces used tear gas clubs and water cannons to force the protesters from their tents before firing live rounds and setting the camp on fire. The polisario says the raid killed thirty six people with many hundreds more injured and arrested. Many were tortured in custody including twenty-three activists were accused of contributing to the violence. They were tried convicted and given harsh sentences in july of two thousand seventeen. It was the latest chapter in a long history of repression against sakurauchi's at the hands of moroccan forces did many of those detained were represented by the sahara lawyer. Muhammad the bieb gbi. He's a former activist who was disappeared in moroccan prisons for sixteen years. He's also the brother of the recently deceased polisario leader mohamed abdelaziz gb one of just four saharaui lawyers permitted by morocco to try cases in court and to be the first stage of the arrests were made there and they were brutal beyond imagination stem and houston extensive number of strange tools for torture and beatings fee about the home. Some of the prisoners were even forced to drink their own urine show before the interrogation judge covered in blood was good day of music. Such a turning point what happened. why were people protesting. did they. Music kinda north has zeke was a turning point because it was a very genuine form of mass protests like western sahara has never witnessed nor has the rest of the world audio coffee. Some of called it the first arab spring before tunisia and before egypt. And i'm doing shook. I how the kind of more labile arab. Yes without any doubt. This was the beginning of the arab spring every media outlet after game. Music could only talk about how well organized well managed and well prepared. The protest in western sahara was bam facade and be women from here spread to tunisian egypt to swim usa palpable and of course when the american academic noted that this was the beginning of the arab spring he was correct for gun also after leaving muhammed. Rgb's office we drive to a restaurant near the airport for dinner as usual were followed suit. We sat down here at a restaurant near the airport. We came into a vast empty restaurants and within about fifteen minutes after we ordered about a hundred mainly men and seven women dressed in traditional west saharan. Dress carrying moroccan flags all came in and they sat down all around us. One has an english sign. That says shame on you when our translator dramatic got up to see what was going on plainclothesmen. Not in traditional dress came up to him and said they want to speak to amy goodman When we're done our car has been hemmed in by a number of cars and we also hear. There was a protest in another part of the city. We're one of the people we interviewed was beaten up. Just own would be taken off the mission and smarter people who he was and it was bitching. Some of the people here came over Very close to took pictures. We're eager to leave so we can find out what happened to him a coated and other protesters across town but the moment we stand up we're followed out of the restaurant by the crowd outdoors. Were surrounded on all sides in prevented from driving away. The pro morocco. Protesters unfurled large custom banners printed on vinyl. There are starkly reminiscent of the banner photographed at a moroccan state-sanctioned protests against u n secretary general ban ki moon in march of two thousand sixteen after he used the word occupation back at the restaurant. One of the vinyl banners with red and black lettering has a photo of me interviewing a sahara. We activists with the caption. Shame on you. We're standing here outside of a restaurant that we came to near the airport called him my mom in a group of fifty sixty seventy people in the west aharon dress descended on the restaurant carrying signs that say shame on you Journalist or person of algieria. Yes for the american. Moroccan friendships and countries goes hand in hand with strengthening the isis. I thought we'd start by talking to one of the organizers who is Freelance journalists who trained in rhode island. So if you could tell us your name By the way. I'm not one of the organisers. So i'm just well in tune with the people my philosophy always to talk to you about what they think of your visits and about general issues related to the issue was and how did you know that i was at this restaurant will only you know this is a small town and everybody knows everybody. Whenever a foreign relation comes to to the area so everybody is aware of. This is an empty restaurant. Waitress came in five minutes. This is the restaurant which is well known to the people on the for example when maybe one of my cousins with their he was not just foreigners he would immediately check why they are here and you adjust setting. Let's sixty people. in west. People are gathering the told me to volunteer with them for the interpretation as we speak with shared by a number of men in plain clothes stand on the perimeter taking photos and video. Speaking on cellphones local activists would later identify some of them as members of the moroccan interior ministry including at least one official. Who's been accused of torturing many sahara's soga regional coordinator for the national front for the defence of national integrity in lyon i came here to represent my organization to say that we saw rallies are in our territory and we will do anything to defend right. But how did you know i was here. And we'll talk to you. Because i'm always following the news and this is something that concerns me. I'm required to know this. Was i in the news at this restaurant now. These you know this is normal. You're aware of who comes to our territory when it comes to the national cause. Who told you that. I was here the have you. This is the main restaurant in my city. I came to visit it. And suddenly i saw you. And you carry moroccan flags with you everywhere. you go. It's very customary to be giving out moroccan flags and the restaurant up anakin myth one of them of course i'm representing an organization whose main goal is to defend the national interest. The flags are always in our homes always on our persons. Our flags are always reading. Thank god always prepared. I saw one person carrying all basically helping him. You understand me. Some of us are responsible for the national flags. Others communication or work is always organized and ready own up. Now it's getting dark. We're getting increasingly nervous. The sun sets on the restaurant. Oh mima as the pro morocco. Protesters prevent us from leaving for over an hour. It's a clear effort to intimidate us and to keep us away from the protests across town. When we're finally able to escape jamal received a call. A number of harare activists have been badly beaten we race to the home where they're gathered to recover from their injuries inside. We find a number of women tending to an activist named visa. Who's wreck chang. Invalid from her injuries. Should she go to a hospital meds. Good to me who may go to go to hospital. Because they will not admit and she's also scared to bet the activists have recorded video of their protests and the subsequent beatings by moroccan forces on cell phones and camcorders. What our cameras couldn't capture citizen journalists. Could we begin downloading their footage as active meena. Bali describes what happened Click because of your presence here. We wanted to have a protest and show you how things are here. It's been about two years since journalists have access the territory another shot off. Damon became chanting slogans making signs with our fingers as usual and then they intervened against the st computer not much more thorough and if they were a large group they pushed into a narrow street. They took me who wanted them grabbed my hair and he started beating. Wounded me here under my nose. You grabbed my breast and continued beating me against the wall. He's again. He's a whiz bang and he struck in the kidney and hit her head against the wall and then she fell on the ground at my feet and your money was being drafted there until tunnel kaya. I'm to go with the women to see their ruses. They're going to show me and then we'll see what we can show the cameras. We follow sultana kaya into a small bedroom. She pulls back her mouth her traditional sahara robe and shows me fresh bruises on her leg both arms and on her breast so kind of describe what happened to all of us were participating rallies in the peaceful demonstrations for right to self-determination. I was trying to gather my sisters for the protest at five o'clock and the whole area was beseeched. Any come hassle. They were insulting us. Beating us dragging us in using violence to let us know that we weren't going to be able to protests and they tried to single us out and pushed us into narrow streets where they can beat us without anyone observing. Have what you saw. Today is nothing compared to what we've witnessed over and over since nineteen seventy five but the news never gets the analysis of women. We're not backing off until we get our final victory and liberate our homeland. Beatings will not deter us from continuing the fight. Then even if we die it will be a sacrifice so that our sons and future generations can live in the freedom that we've been denied hurley. Any match nottingham. No other sahara's have been injured as well. My food lafc shows us black and blue bruises on her arms. they hit me on the thighs. Slap me on the face and beaten underneath my. I galeano germany pulls back her malfa to show us gruesome injuries. Both her arms and both breasts are badly bruised. Like a number of these women. She's been sexually assaulted down your arm. You have black and blue marks on your breast right up to the nipple. The police grabbed her. And you see all of the marks of the black and blue marks in the red marks this very very warm into ren- against us one of them pulled and twisted me by my breasts. And i was screaming out loud. Hey you're hurting my breasts. But he didn't care next. We meet the man who risked his safety to film the assault on protesters from a nearby rooftop. Hammoud lee is a citizen journalist with the group a media name. How can you describe what you're watching here. Had germany when a man in plainclothes pulling her into a narrow street where they could beat her up street where they usually beat. People has never been recorded before own way have seen force them here because they knew people were using their cameras to document everything on the main street older. Finding a clear shot up. What was happening to meena bali and as he's a visa but unfortunately this informer saami and then notified all the others do have and then what happened. I tried to move to the next window out of sight but my hiding place was revealed molin when they saw me. They tried to break down the door and they stormed the building. The house owner went outside and they beat him up. Uncle i fled the house. I closed the door to the rooftop and jump to another house to save the camera gear and that was my exit. Why are you a media activist. Why do you video renuka early. his little. Because there's a total media blackout across the region and there is no international media to cover everything president trump route and we volunteer as activists so we can transmit the suffering to the outside world through our cameras back in the living room. Aziza visa has stopped vomiting for injuries. And it's propped up on pillows. She's able to speak with us with her husband and teenage son sitting beside her bond. What he started beating me up out there and kicking my stomach. Strangle me by my mouth. I felt something around my throat. And i couldn't breathe then. I fainted. remember anything. I just remember that i found myself here. You said they kicked you in your kidney. Oh yes and also the kicked me in my head which already had stitches from a previous speeding and then kicked my ribs and yet you still came out for another demonstration. Why is it so important to you. Wanna melanin this very important for me. Because i want the liberation of my country. I want to live like other women in the world in freedom and to see my children and my country free. What are you calling for another call on the free world to help us free. Our country get liberated so that we can live our lives like normal women around the world that after leaving the activists we return to our hotel. It's dr where certain were under heavy surveillance. Another new car soon. There's a commotion outside our room on the boulevard. the loan cars are making u-turns outside of our hotel. Their drivers clearly alarmed over something happening further up the street. Jamal gets a phone call from muhammed. Myra of a keep media scribes. The police violence. He's witnessing nearby how we climb a set of stairs to the hotel's rooftop. We spot protesters on a sidewalk below a few hundred feet away. They begin to scatter just as the hotels night manager demands. We leave for a look. You know you hear we quietly. Descend in return to our room from our window. We spot about a dozen men throwing stones than turning and running away moments later. Police in riot gear arrive charging the protesters and throwing rocks have their own as the night whereas on the confrontation between saharaui activists and the police winds down. We heard later. There'd been arrests. We spend our few remaining hours at the hotel taking precautions to protect the footage recorded over our trip to occupied western sahara. Then make our way to the airport. Now will even the hotel at the gate. We pass through the final gauntlet of moroccan mukhabarat intelligence agents as we head to the plane one of them says a hope. You had a good time in moroccan. Sahara moroccan sahara. the term. The moroccan government uses but no country in the world officially recognizes. Morocco occupies western sahara africa's last colony for democracy. Now i'm amy goodman with john hamilton mike burke and dennis moines this has been a democracy now special four days in western sahara africa's last colony on december tenth united states became the first nation the world to recognize morocco's annexation of western sahara. The trump administration announced the major policy shift is part of a deal that saw morocco become the forth arab nation to normalize ties to israel in recent months. Four days in western sahara was directed by john hamilton and produced with our news director. Mike burke and dennis moynahan special thanks to my cardio. Julie crosby miriam barnard brendan alan hugh grant and all those who helped us along the way all music by the late. Sahara singer mariam hasan. I mean he goodman.

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S1E3: The Affair

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S1E3: The Affair

"I need help with your New Year's resolutions checkout. Some new audio books from MacMillan audio to help you light the fire and start your new year off right from learning. Success habits to reaching the end of procrastination. These inspiring listens will help you. Accomplish this year's most common goals to start listening and start doing go to MacMillan audio dot com slash start doing. That's macmillan. Audio dot com slash start doing. Welcome to case closed a show at the times. The dad guy didn't get away with the times the goodguys. Discover exactly who the killer is and has sometimes that's just the beginning of the story. I'm Charlie Spicer when we left off last episode Aaron core when head settled into life on the marine base in twenty nine palms, California. In the fall of two thousand thirteen she and her husband John had befriended their neighbors, the Malecki and the lease and the three couples had become very close spending most of their time together. But by the next spring the relationships between the trio would be changed forever and by June. Erin would be dead. Back in the fall of two thousand thirteen it was hard to imagine that things were end so badly. Erin, john. We're finally living together as a married. Couple excited to take on the next phase of life. But as they got comfortable in twenty nine palms. It was clear that the young couple had much to learn about life on their own author Shanna HOGAN explains. Erin. Hi, gotten a big chunk of money that her mom had dedicated towards her wedding. But when she didn't have a formal wedding her mom gave it to her to move to California. The move hadn't been cheap. But that didn't stop Aaron John from spending more, according to mother Lor. They got a new car, and then John froth. And you know, the more she's talking to like, you know, you it looks like you have been emerging of few keep this out producing. You're not gonna have anything. John also ended up buying a San rail, which is like an off road vehicle that you ride through the desert and Aaron bought clothes and makeup and stuff for the house and very quickly that big chunk of money. Started to evaporate, and they faced a lot of money problems started ringing up their credit cards. The Corwin money troubles. Couldn't have come at a worse time. Aaron always wanted to be a mom. She loved kids, and she always intended to have children. I don't think they were planning on having children so early but in January of two thousand fourteen Aaron found out that she was pregnant, and she was this really overjoyed right away. She posted on her Facebook page and announcement that she's pregnant she called her mom was really really excited, and you know at four. More cautioned her daughter that our life was about to change and she need to grow up fast. Aaron steamed ready to take on those responsibilities. John was very excited. Although I think he was more concerned about their money issues than Aaron was. But in February tragedy struck. While John was away on bass working one day. Aaron started having released of your cramps, and she went down to her neighbor as links apartment and said, I think something's wrong. We go to the doctors and at first she had wanted in the room, but they're totally like other media families. So you're going to go out there while she well, she has her ultrasound and they came back out. And I I remember when the door or they just heard I'm sorry. And I heard her crying. Again, and she was like skiing at the blank fee, and then the doctor came in and was talking to her. And she was like what I was doing everything told like that I stress too much was I too tired about everything and she's blaming herself. And then after that, we just weren't back to her apartment and just allow watch movies. She has my back. Obviously, she calls me. You know, smoking hearted for of and she wanted to be mom. I, you know, part of me wanted to go out there. And if she would've asked I would have done it in heartbe that. I also did want to overstep my found, you know, they needed that time to work together to get through it. Trust me. My husband, and I have not no children death the family. The. Can cause huge wedge between. Because you look at the other person, and they're not dealing with the way, you're dealing with the bell. If I mean, you have to be okay with the fact that people do not feel the same way. Well, Bill, and I have a little bit of maturity on them. But I mean, even people that have been married as long as Bill and thing have a tragedy to positive between them and a lot of them from the fact that people handle they way, look if you're the person you think what he did wasn't such a. Where? That's not true at all. As Aaron navigated her feelings of laws she confided in her best friend back in Tennessee. Jesse trentham? The pair kept in touch texting and talking on the phone constantly. Thanks. You. Really? I think that's another thing that pushed John les is that you just wasn't. St. was excited about he was reading. The miscarriage sent Erin into deep, depression and exacerbated the problem she and John were already experiencing in their relationship. John was upset too at the miscarriage, but he just didn't show his emotions very outwardly like Erin did. And so that was something that kind of drove a wedge between the two of them because Aaron thought that John care and John did care. He just didn't know how to show it. And so and felt that she was grieving more than John. And that she wasn't getting the sort of sympathy and support that she needed. You know, how real is it soon? The husband. When he doesn't even see it. But Nicole Lee could relate to just how much her friend was hurting and tried to help. Well, Chris was away on his deployment in Afghanistan, Nicole found out she was pregnant and also had a miscarriage. And so the way she ended up coping was seeking out comfort in this local horse rescue about half an hour away from base. This was a very popular place where many of the military wives hung out. You could sponsor a horse for one hundred dollars a month. And then have access to ride that horse whenever you wanted. You'd know you came down, and you fed it and you cared for it. And so it was like having ownership in horse without actually having to pay for the expenses of a horse Anna barn. Nicole wasn't the only one for whom visiting the barn. Brought a sort of relief. When Chris came back from the military. He was dealing with some severe issues. He was depressed. He was drinking more. He seems really sullen. He didn't open up to Nicole it all and Cole realize there was something really wrong with him. And she asked him several times. Like what is wrong? What is wrong with you? And one of the things that she thought that would help him was to take him to the rescue. They spent a lot of time there and became pretty close. The owner is Magli and Chris was actually known to be quite helpful at the horse bus queue. He fixed up fences and helped with the barn and help with anything that is Adele needed. And after Aaron suffered her miscarriage. She started going to that horse rescue more and more frequently and often with Chris and Nicole John who was never into horses. It just wasn't his thing. And so they really didn't have that in common. So Aaron started timing along frequently with the lease and going to the horse rescue. Soon. Erin had become even closer to the lease especially to Chris. As Erin was grieving her miscarriage in Chris was also dealing with. You know, a lot of depression from his time overseas, he Erin actually bonded over that sadness and became pretty close friends and Aaron found Chris to be charismatic and funny and open and someone who talked about his feelings, and that was very unlike her husband, John as they became closer and closer friends, some of their friends started notice that the relationship seemed way to chummy. We were out one day. And I think I picked up on the fact that she was giggling everything he said, my the two of them were looking at each other. And like you something didn't feel right. You know, something to her like what a like what's going on with you too. And she lives like, oh, yeah. Like, I think he's killed and all this stuff. And I like all right. You know, not my for judge your just. Thinking of care. Isabel Magli noticed one day that Chris and Aaron were sitting way too close to each other and Aaron was laughing and giggling and Christmas flirting, and it just seems like they were acting like a couple it alarmed Isabel so much that she ended up talking to Nicole leader and explaining that she thinks there's something going on between Chris and Aaron and the cool dismissed it right away. Instead, Chris was helping the young lady as like a big brother type person at the same time, Nicole was getting really frustrated with Chris's attitude news behavior around the apartment, and so it was kind of relieving that suddenly Chris had someone else that he could talk to and in a cold have to deal with that anymore. So she kind of liked the friendship in the beginning. But Nicole wouldn't like it from all. When we come back from the break, Erin, and Chris's friendship becomes something. More. I want to tell you about another podcast. You might like it's called unsolved unsolved is hosted by reporter Gina Barton at the Milwaukee journal sentinel this season, she investigates mysterious murder dating back twenty years. The victim was a Catholic priest named fryer. Alfred coons someone slit his throat inside his power school in nineteen ninety eight fryer coons was very attached to ancient traditions and even did exercises. The colorful set of suspects includes marine claiming to be a clairvoyant and a man who feared the end of the world. You'll also get to hear audio of fryer coons before his death. Learn why his beliefs and the group of people he called friends made his murder so hard to solve checkout unsolved season, three the devil. You know on apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 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Erin, corwin. And Christly had forged a friendship bonding over their depression, a friendship, she frequently texted about with her best friend back in Tennessee. Jesse trentham? Chris she has about him before. Mainly this is planned. And then she would start on that, you know, the they got and everything in the sort of their her and do on God. I've seen the spunk. It yet. A spark that would soon ignite on Sundays all the couples would get together and watch the AMC show the Walking Dead except for Aaron who really did not like the graphic violence of the show. And so on one of those Sundays in early February Aaron was in the bedroom playing video games as all the other couples were in the living room watching the show. Chris had also had missed episodes of the show and said that he needed to catch up. So he joined Aaron in the bedroom to play video games while the other couples were in the living room watching the show, and as they were playing video games. One point Chris leans over kisses Erin for the first time. After he returned his apartment. He texted. Her was like that was weird. And but I liked it or something like that. And they started texting back and forth, and that sets off an affair between the two of them. And they're told no one about except for her best friend Jesse. In your opinion. What do you think that he like did for her? Like, what do you think that she was looking for or what do you think she meant he did to make her fall in love with them? Thank you. Well, Erin in Chris took some steps to hide the affair. They were not careful enough. On Valentine's Day, two thousand fourteen they were all at atlings apartment to watch the movie, Mulan brews, and Aaron and Chris ended up being the only two people left in the apartment at one point as Ling wakes up in the middle of the night to care for her kid, and she sees Chris hovering over Aaron on the couch. It wasn't until Don Collins night. I saw them kissing and I was like, oh my God crime who life saying do right now, everyone just like standing there like in complete disbelief like do I think from things do I just act like I didn't see this. I had no idea what to do. I don't even know how long after it was the having separate covers with the both of them. And I said, it's Chris I I was like, well if you need to bed because you're married with a child like in the cool is the type of person she finds out about your hair, she's gonna ruin your life for winning hearts and liberty like it's not worth it. I was like you might think you're in love like you're married in sixteen and told me, I know, I know I know it needs to end, and he greed to end them. For a walk with errands. I told her, but you're hurting your up start, you know, have them or looking for love somewhere else. Of like, you have me like gold line, and my face just honest and tell me I was like, I'm not gonna judge you for needing support or whatever I was like you can come anytime, but you guys need. And now the for you make any more mistakes. See, and I was like I'm not gonna tell John, and I'm not gonna tell the cold because it's not my business. I play you guys growing doubt. If you wanna confess to you what you've done. That's that's to you. Chris in Erin, both told Ashley NIA fair was over. But it wasn't. They kept texting and meeting up in secret by April, Nicole had become suspicious. Chris had become very secretive with his phone. He was always texting. So after putting up without for awhile. Cole finally got frustrated and after one night when Chris got drunk and fell asleep early Nicole took his phone took the memory card out of his phone and plugged it in her computer, and she was able to see all the text messages between Chris and Erin and Nicole woke up Chris in the middle of the night. Just absolutely furious. And they had a huge blow out fight. Chris blames the affair on his depression and said that you know, he felt like he just had no one to talk to and you know, blossomed from there. So Nicole versa. Lucien was to keep Chris away from his phone and monitored her him even more closely. So she made him go to counseling she took away spoon for while and kept hold of it and that kind of abruptly cease the relationship between Chris and Aaron. I remember there was one day she came downstairs. She was like I need to go somewhere. So can you watch Chris firm me because came from phone for whatever? And I always like why still with a man if need be. Like, I have my own child. I don't need to be. Errands friend, Jesse immediately noticed a change in her what she sad when Christoph talking. I feel like she was because I mean, even as we were just Schranz. I mean, just. Just have someone each to regularly. Just not you team her things had. The dynamic between all of the couples had shifted abruptly. Nicole also found out that as Ling had known about the affair. And haven't said anything and Cole was really furious at as long as well. And said, I can't believe that you kept this from me. So there was really a strain now between the three couples who were really close, and really, you know, always hung out together. Suddenly, no one was talking and everyone knew about the affair as Lincoln Connor, Chris and a coal and Erin, of course, except for John. Soon that would change one night the couple's gathered for cookout just a regular casual night with friends, but something was different. Nicole comes downstairs a little before she had a glass of their. She's like, I'm just thinking of you call myself down because of shaking right now, all my God. John was standing in the kitchen preparing food at the sink. She lifted me, and I can see, but she's like, shaking and. And all of a sudden seems to like Kate John. I have something to tell you Chris has been having a fair with Erin. Turned around so Saturday per second like. Like. Okay. And you could see him childlike conscious and she telling him like everything that she knows and the game and John looks. He's like can you go through and get Erin dog out our door, and she like opens the door like pigs outta out what? And he like the what I'm like. Well, Nicole just told John about the fair like everybody knows. She has she's. About leading like Ling throats like on a guy. Silence. He's gonna hate me. He's gonna leave me. Completely freaking out and. There was pardon me. Was I felt got like you want us to hundred be like if you fine. But the other part of what she's so angry. Our chief L, let's go. Aaron comes downstairs from her -partment in a big blow out fight ensues, Nicole attacks. Erin lunges outer screaming outer Cussing outer Aaron ends up running back upstairs to her apartment. John like what he's like I'm gonna go to empower for her. Can you come with me because you're the one that knows the truth? And I don't want her to be able to write me like, okay. So I had to go and sit there John asked her question, and he was like look at me and I shake my head yesterday though. Whether it was Chuka or not. She has done like, do you wanna work this out with me, and you wanna work this year over the reef like what do you want to do? So out there for like, two hours talking everything through. As quickly as it had started the friendship between the core wins Belise and the Malecki was over John decided he was going to work through the marriage and work through this both Chris and Aaron tried to diminish the affair as well and said that they had only kissed and that had never gone beyond that that abruptly cease all communication between the three couples after that they kept to themselves and their own apartments and really didn't socialize anymore. For awhile. In the coal like they kind of themselves. I believe they're trying to more things fix things. John Aaron definitely themselves, and I picked myself as well, we all kind of like stayed quiet for a little bit. And like. But everyone themselves out. Erin and John's relationship had become equally frosty. What happened to turn John after everything's out? Chris can just pushed farther away. I think you got to point where they were vote were to manage general diplom-. She ended up his couch. She didn't want to. Did she ever say that he got finally? I feel like he would be willing to stand off either. Get valid. He just kick Mets. I'm comes out like exploded. He doesn't get violent. Even if he were I feel what you. Then in June, Aaron gut surprise, she was pregnant again jar had come downstairs and was like, hey dollars meditation because you know, in good, unlike oh, definitely. So I gave him some and he's really take pregnancy. And I'm like we have core guy for me, and he's like cord to make sure. You know times. I congratulations like I'm happy for her. I know she's wanted for so long like happy for you guys. Anything thinks. Bank knows like, you know, like. He just go from joy. Like this to be icebreaker. Open my door in Hurley standing on the stair because my walked out. And then I went to contra she Graham backup scare the way from me in her apartment, and I was like, well, I kind of corner on apartment though, like I get out of it be. I never got a chance to talk the earned again. 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Shipwreck on the Sahara | The Storm | 1

Against The Odds

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Shipwreck on the Sahara | The Storm | 1

"Join us to listen to against the odds one week early and add free in the wondering app. Download the wondering app in your apple or google play mobile app store today. It's ten pm. August twenty eighth eighteen. Fifteen captain james riley stands alone. The bow of the ship watching the whitecaps crash over the heavy sides. Something is wrong. Byerly can feel it. The ship is headed to the cape third islands. The last stop of their six month journey. They'll drop off tobacco and pick up salt to bring home to america a quick trip in and out but so far no sign of land. It doesn't make sense. He should have seen the canary islands when they passed through but now the instruments are showing. They are one hundred twenty miles off course. It seems impossible. The channel between the islands is only fifty miles wide even on a night as dark as this. He should have been able to make out the biggest island and now the fog is rolling in at thirty eight years old. Riley has been a sailor more than half of his life as a merchant trader. He's crossed the atlantic seven times. He's faced down squalls. That raise waves as big as houses. He watched the sky erupt in bolts of lightening and heard cracks of thunder loud. Enough to split a man's eardrums. But this is different. The fog envelops the ship and a cold grey veil. He can't see thing and the high winds make matters worse. He's are very dangerous conditions. His shoulders sag under the weight of his responsibility. There are eleven crewmen on the ship. All trusting him to bring him home safely and then he hears it a deep low rumble somewhere in the distance. He here's the clattering fleet. Its horse. Savage is fifteen year old cabin boy. His eyes are wide with fear. Captain a storm is coming. Finally listens as the booming grows. Closer more ominous. Then he realizes it's not a storm at all. It's something far worse it's breakers they're heading straight for land all hands on deck man. The sales were headed for the rocks riley's crew emerges from all corners of the ship racing to obey his command. Sales are hold on loose. Items roped in everyone is frantically trying to save their vote the commerce from impending doom. But it's too late. Sudden jolts slams the meant to the death they slide across the slippery would grabbing at handholds to keep from being thrown into the sea riley scrambles to his feet drop the anchors. Now it takes all the men to drop to one thousand four hundred pound pieces of wood and steel but the anchors are no match for the ocean. The vessel is running ground. Riley watches jagged outcropping of rock rips into the hall of the ship. This is every captains nightmare. The ship is going down. He weighs his options if his calculations are right they are off the western coast of africa. Somewhere near the vast sahara desert a no-man's-land from which few sailors return those who do bring back. Tales of hostile tribes unforgiving lands endless thirst. But there's no doubt has ship will sink whether it's now or tomorrow he needs to make a choice to try and save his crew men ready to long boats for going to shore this summer. Get the most out of your travels abroad by learning the language of your destination with babble. The number one selling language learning app from ordering in restaurants or asking for directions to gaining a deeper understanding of the culture babble makes the whole process of learning a new language addictive. Fun and easy. Personally i've been working on my spanish a lot lately and i'm a pretty busy guy always bouncing around and on the go. Obviously as a travel youtuber languages are important and once great. Abo- babble is. The lessons are bite sized and while i am busy i always have fifteen minutes a day to work on my spanish right now when you purchase a three-month babbel's subscription you'll get an additional three months for free. 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You have no choice but to wrote ashore there you find yourself at the edge of the sahara desert one of the most inhospitable places on earth at three thousand miles long. It's the largest hot desert in the world all sand dunes and scrub brush and never ending son to survive in the sahara. You need to be tough. A waste of settlements are controlled by berber. Tribes who also run the trans-saharan slave trade between western africa and the north. It is here on the outer edge of this world. Or the ship of captain riley and his crew find themselves in august eighteen. Fifteen with no way to escape and dwindling supplies they will need to cross hundreds of miles to reach civilization if captured by desert tribes. They face enslavement or death. Without help from locals it will die of hunger and thirst. This is the true story of the men who survived. It is based on the journals. They wrote upon their return. It's about sacrifice heroes human endurance and the fight to get home but their journey will have a much greater impact and on just their own lives. There will influence a future president and impact the nation in many ways ways. That are still felt even today. This is episode one the storm. It's made the first eighteen. Fifteen in middletown connecticut a picturesque sailing port along the connecticut river inside a small yellow house. On the edge of town captain james riley stands in front of a mirror buttoning cope when his wife phoebe pokes her head in their here again. Phoebe is our gentle but she sees the stress. She'd never complain but he knows. This fifth pregnancy has been hard their financial problems. Haven't made it any easier. You stay here. i'll go. it'll be okay. i promise. The local sheriff stands at the door shifting from foot to foot behind him one of the store owners from town drums. His fingers impatiently on the frame. Gentlemen i'm taking care of this. We talked about this. Please don't come to my house. It scares phoebe. But the sheriff doesn't move when riley sailed to france with local merchant goods. He took them on consignment. He knew the risks of sailing in wartime conditions. When the french sees his cargo riley was responsible. He needs to pay for the goods he lost. It's the law riley. The courts have decided riley always intended to pay back the merchants but the war with the british stopped everything. A blockade left sailors stranded on the shore with no way to earn a living other sailors tried to convince rally to join them on illegal trading ventures but he refused he may not have money but he still has his name and his reputation. I'm sailing back tomorrow. For the islands with shipload of tobacco and flower. I will pay everyone back. Plus interest and i'll be back in six months the sheriff size and turns away okay six months riley or we're going to have to take the house. Riley closes the door and turns to phoebe. She looks worried. He smiles at her reassuringly. It'll be fine. I always land on my feet. Don't i plus. I'll be back in no time. Besides i have horse with me. And i'm not gonna let anything happen to him or savage swabs. The deck of a ship called the commerce and whistles a asean shan tune horaces thrilled to be heading to sea in ships. So fine with captain riley. The captain has been like a father to him since his own father was lost at sea. When horace was just the baby. He moves the moth in the bucket of water. Making waves. that splash out onto the deck. He's going to polish the oak until it shines or is the youngest member of the crew at fifteen years old. He had a growth spurt last year. Shot up nearly six inches. His tall and lanky body still feels like he's wearing a new suit that doesn't quite fit his whole life. He's dreamed of being a sailor. His father was a sailor to he went to cities and ports all over the world places with exotic names like gibraltar and bombay. He was a man of adventure or so horse has been told. Horace knows. it's silly to miss someone he's never met but that's how he feels. He's going to have adventures just like his father. He pitches himself stepping off the dock into a faraway land exchanging goods with the merchant. I'll have six pounds of salt please. He'd say the sound of footsteps startles him out of his daydream. It's richard delile. The ship's cook. He's carrying a sack of potatoes and onions. Hey aren't you supposed to be swabbing. The ship they aren't paying you to stare into the water dreaming about girls. The lyle is free black man from hartford and the only black crew member. Horace doesn't know a whole lot about him. Other than what captain riley told him he used to be a servant under the famous daniel ketchum. Who's inventory held off the brits. He works harder than anyone and everyone likes him. He tells great war stories for us hopes. Delile might be a friend. This'll be my first voyage to allow grins. The first one is always special and there are some five men in this crew. They'll teach you a lot if you pay attention. And there are eleven crew members in all including the captain as they arrive. They stole their bags in the hold and quickly get to work coiling. Ropes adjusting the yards and making the deck shipshape captain on deck. Horace stands at attention as james riley steps on board. He looked so official in this dark blue pico with gold buttons. The collar turned up against the wind. His eyes are steady and confident. When riley sees horace he smiles. Good to see you here horace. Are you ready son. I've been reading my whole life sir. Riley turns to face the rest of the crew. Gentlemen you please set the sails and cast loose as horse feels the ship moving away from the war. He looks down river. Thirty miles to the south lies the opening the long island sound and just beyond that is the vast expanse of the atlantic ocean. Horace is finally going to get his chance to see the world city. Hammett picks up a heavy bag and slings it onto the camel's back quickly tying it with thick rope he has worked to do and not much time to do it. His hundreds of items to pack for trade and sale jewelry pottery spices and cloth. It's a journey that will take many months across the sahara desert. He's on the outer edges of marrakech morocco and the distance he can still hear the sounds of the city a musical blend voices and instruments. It's a sound. He will miss in the desert. There is no sound except for the wind and the camel feet sinking into the sand. He quickly shakes off the thought. He has a lot on the line. He has debts to settle. Hammett has spent much of his life as a traitor bringing goods from the north to the south and returning with gold and jewels each trip. He hopes to bring back enough riches to make a good life for himself and his family. But this trip is different. He wants this one to be the last as he fastens another bag to his camel. He sees an old man approaching. He's dressed expensive robes as a flowing. White beard is sheikh ali his father-in-law and he doesn't look happy. Hemmitt raises his hand to his forehead in a traditional greeting the sheikh scowls and return hammett. Don't forget what you owe me on hammett's last trip his father-in-law gave him goods to sell on consignment. But when two of his camels died hammett was forced to abandon his wares in the middle of the desert. When he returned empty-handed the sheik was so angry. He destroyed him. it's house and took his wife and children away. It was a full year until the sheikh. Return them again. I haven't forgotten. He tells them now. I promised to pay you in full. Or i'll die trying. The she crosses his arms. If you fail you will need to bother dying. I'll kill you myself. Hemmitt watches him. Stock away his white robe flying behind him in the wind. Then he looks around for his brother. Saieed need to finish packing your camel. The caravan is leaving. Saieed is the youngest son in the family at twenty years old. He's been working for half of his life but hammett still feels responsible for him. I hope we don't meet up with any tour along the way. The touareg are nomadic tribe. The sahara most feared raiders. They attack at night and spare no-one. We'll be fine saieed when we get together. We'll meet up with the caravan. they'll be thousand men. The torek don attack caravans so big hammett loads the final pack onto the camel's back. The animal shifts knees buckling under the weight. Amit leans in to whisper into the camels year old. Still it's okay. The camel calms under his soothing. Voice hammett quickly fastens ties and visit a final tug. To make sure as cargo doesn't slip free then he climbs on top and gently kicks his heels into the camels flanks and then hold on tight lumbers up with full seven foot height hemmitt gazes out towards the desert miles and miles of golden sand. As many times as he's made this trek the site still moves. It represents hope this vast desert will lead him to a better life for his family. He says a prayer quietly to himself to bless the journey. He asked for protection for his brother and the cameras and the countless others in the caravan but most of all he asked for a blessing to allow him to return safely to seize children again captain. Riley stands on the deck of the commerce gazing out at the thick clouds that line the horizon looking for the telltale mountains marking the straight of gibraltar for the past three months. They've been lucky mostly blue skies and smooth sailing. There's only one close call in the bahamas when the ship ran aground in the storm. But they got her back. Riley loves everything about the c- the smell of the ocean the taste of salt in the air the vast endless green and white and gray even the way at dances with the wind during a storm. Hurling this ship up over frothy waves. It makes them feel alive. It's so different from his life on the farm where he grew up his family never knew if a blade of insects or late season freeze would reduce a year of hard work to nothing. The sea represents possibility here. A man can forge his own destiny. He sees that. Sam excitement in the eyes of horse savage. He watches the boy's face as he stares off into the distance a look of wonder in his eyes. You know your father was your age when he first crossed the atlantic. I wish i had known him he was a good man. You're a lot like him. He'd be proud. Riley gives horace affirm pat on the back. He promised the boy's mother he would bring horse back home safely. And he is determined to keep his word. Horace quince and points into the distance. Captain are those rocks. Riley picks up the telescope. He can just make out the outline of two great mountains. Good i horace. That's gibraltar landho- the crew rushes up to the deck. Some shout and cheer others stare in awe. It's the first time they've seen the mountains that flank the entrance to the legendary strait of gibraltar. It separates two continents and cultures to the north. Is europe where the cruel trade for spanish coins and cassock wine to the south is the mysterious continent of africa or ships and sailors have been known to disappear without a trace but captain riley has no intention of going that far. This trip shouldn't take them anywhere near the african coast. Do you ever feel like you face. An enormous amount of pressure to other people's expectations. For how you're supposed to look believe me. I get it instead of trying to cram your life into someone else's idea of health. Trier sponsor new new muses psychology based approach to find a healthier balance. 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He is one of one thousand men in the caravan making their way to timbuktu. Sayed did you check the camels this morning. His brother nantz yes. We are blessed without camels. They could never make the months long trip. They have brought ten camels on this journey. All loaded with wears. They walked together down by ropes. There are almost four thousand camels total in the caravan. Four to every man. Some are milk camels that carry food and water others carry men the labor up the shifting sand dunes than stumbled down the other side the men on the ground sing to them softly and push them along hammett reaches into his pack and pops a date into his mouth savoring the moisture surviving the heat means moving little and conserving water helmet. Also knows travel requires a good spirit. Do you know what they call a frozen camel. His brother stares back at him. It's too hot to joke. Brother be quiet now. They call the frozen camel. Lost saieed lost. There are no frozen camels in the desert brother. What is that hammett peers into the distance. A dark hayes is approaching propelled by the wind as it gets closer. Hammett sees what it is sandstorm. Get down the wind. Rises in an instant and the sky grows black hemmitt throws himself to the ground. There's no time to attend to the camels. He must protect himself. Dust swirls around him. It's so vicki. Can hardly open his eyes. His skin burns from the white hot grains. He attempts to cover his head with the folds of his turban. He calls for his brother but he can't see him. The dust saieed. Cover your face. The sound of his shouting swallowed up by the wind. Then the storm fully closes in blocking out the sun and the world goes black horace savage stands peering through the fog. You can't see a thing. They've been out on the water for almost six weeks. The two weeks in gibraltar was one of the highlights of the trip for horace. He worked alongside the crew. During the day at night he drank at the local tavern with the men something. His mother would never approve of but he enjoyed greatly for the first time in his life he feels like a real explorer. They just have one final stop. The cape fared islands three hundred and fifty miles off the coast of africa. Us just wishes the weather would clear. So they'd get there already and then he here's the rumble. Captain this storm. The captain is standing at the bow on. His face is a look of alarm. That's not a storm horse. It's breakers giant rocks emerge out of the fog all hands on deck man the sales we have to turn the ship around boris's thrown off his feet. His head hits the deck when he comes to. The crew are lowering dinghy into the water. Captain what's happening. where are we africa. Force feels his heart starts to pound. He's heard the rumors. Hostile tribes endless desert sandstorms. No food or water. There's no time to think about that. The tide is rising and the men are frantically heaving supplies overboard casts of wine and water barrels of bread and salt pork. A trunk full of coins. Horse does his best to help. But he's dizzy from the blow men. Prepare the longboat the hostile to the rings on the back. I'll take to others and will go on ahead to the shore. There will make a rope bridge for the rest to get across the men. Bow their heads as the captain says a quick prayer. When horace looks up again riley is in the longboat. They'll be okay. Thanks the captain will save them but as riley pushes off into the forefoot swells. He says something that gets horses heart pumping again men when you reach shore. Whatever you do do not wander off alone. City hammett keeps his head. Loaded to the ground trying to brief he surrounding a whirlwind of dust and sand has been blowing for three days straight. He praised to a law for mercy. Wondering if this is the end he will be buried forever the sand and then it's gone. The wind shifts and almost feels cool. Hamid slowly gets to his feet and brushes the sand from his turban. Saieed where is his brother. He looks around. Most of the caravan is buried under a flood of sand copper. Pots and bits of cloth are scattered everywhere but no sign of saieed. Hemmitt wanders across the dunes calling his name. Finally he locates a pair of thin legs. Sticking out of the sand he recognizes the warned sandals. It's saieed hem. It falls to his knees digging into the blue stripe articles. Finally he manages to post brother. Free side comes up sputtering trying to catch his breath. Thank you brother. I thought i've been swallowed up by a whale. Hemmitt holds his brother in his arms and chokes back tears around them is nature's destruction hundreds of lifeless camels and men dead in the sand and worse is the thirst hammett feels it deep in his throat ever ever-present call from his body. They are running out of water. If they don't find an acis soon they will all die. Captain riley stands on an unknown shore watching the commerce buckle as it takes on more water through its shattered hall in a few hours. The vessel will be largely submerged. There will be no ceiling back to america. He needs to find another way to keep his men alive. I they need water and food but here on the rocky beach. it's completely desolate. The only sound is the wind and the waves lapping against the shore. Riley watches the crew pulling the rations they were able to salvage but it won't be enough to hold them for long men. We need to search the area for food and for water. There may be springs nearby. The men fan out on the beach in small groups of two and three all except william quarter who approaches the captain and speaks in a whisper. Captain we should look for a place to hide. It's not safe year. they say. Africa is filled with cannibals. Quarter is thirty one years old and able seaman with a powerful built and warm friendly smile. He's traveled the atlantic with riley several times. Riley trusts him but he doesn't need anyone spreading panic through the crew. Those are old wives. Tales porter told by sailors to frighten each other. If we find any native people will need them. If we're going to survive look skeptical. But he knots yes sir and then riley sees a man in the distance walking towards them on the beach. He wears a bright cotton shawl and leans on a stick. Riley recognizes clothing. It's worn by berbers and people native to northern africa. Riley met several berbers on his last trip. When they came to trade salt in europe riley knows him to be honorable people. He feels a rush of hope. Hello the man raises his stick in greeting. That's when riley sees it's not a stick at all. It's a spear and the man's not alone. A larger group is hiding behind the rocks now. The running towards him spears raised in the air. They're trapped between the cliffs and ocean riley motions to his men not to move. Don't show any aggression no matter what they do. The men shout in the language riley doesn't know he tries to communicate with his hands. We don't want trouble. We are peaceful. Our ship is wrecked. Its it's wrecked it's no use. They don't understand one men's steps forward and grabs forrest. Roughly by the collar riley tries to step in with the rest of the triesman. Stop him with their spears. Then they tear off the voice jacket and begins rifle through it steady or us. Just stay calm when the men find nothing in the boys jacket they start rifling through the pockets and horse pants. A few silver coins fall to the ground at the site of money. Pandemonium rupp's captain. What are they saying. They want our money riley steps board pointing to the coins and then back at the ship let my men go back to the brig they will return with more. I will stay here to make sure they'll come back the triesman nod and moved their spears to riley's throat message is clear they don't return with the silver. The captain will die but horse hesitates. He wants to stay behind with his captain. Riley shakes his head. Go back with the others. Horace send back only one man with a silver no one else. He watches the men's swim back to the boat and load silver into two large sacks. Then they handed to horace. Riley watches the boy step onto the rope as he gets closer. The berber start to yell. That's when a sickening realization. Hits him as soon as the boy touches land. The men will tear them to pieces. Fighting over the spoils go back horse. Go back or stops with a startled. Look on his face. send someone else men. do you hear me. That's an order horse quickly. Turns around and heads back to the boat and hands the bag to the newest crew member a man named antonio michelle michelle joined the crew in gibraltar as a paying passenger after a shipwreck off the coast of the canary islands. He's older than the rest of the crew with greying hair and a thin beard riley watches michelle. Shimmy crossed the bridge the bundles of silver tied around his waist. He nearly slips and falls into the water several times but he makes it over the jagged rocks onto the beach he holds up the silver and smiles and offering riley closes his eyes for a moment and says a prayer when he opens them. The berbers are on top of michelle beating him in a frenzy with their sticks. Riley catches michelle's is. He hates himself for what he has to do. Sorry forgive me. Riley turns away and sprints for the ocean and swims for his life. he doesn't look back for shouts from the deck of the ship. Captain swim swim. He tries not to look at the beach. The other men's voice is course around him. Hurry will throw you a robe. When riley reaches the ship forest is the first to grab hold of an arm. Captain are you okay. But riley is silent. Sounds of michelle's cries echoing distance. The other crew members helped the captain to his feet william porter the i speak up. What do we do now. Riley looks at the men around him. Some of them stare at the ocean with vacant expressions others look angry. Collect the remaining rations everything you can carry and prepare the longboat. We're going to take our chances at sea as the men spurned action. He quickly turns away to wipe his eyes. Doesn't want anyone to see tears but he knows if he had to do it over again he was still have chosen to save the boy now he just needs to make sure the sacrifice was not in vain he has to keep the rest of the crew alive. 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Saieed shakes his head in disgust. This expedition has cursed. We should turn back. Hemmitt knows his brother is scared but he also knows there is no turning back. It's a one way ticket if they don't return with a prophet sheikh ali will take hamid's family again. All of their hopes on the backs of the cameras in the distance hammett sees a pack of hyenas circling the corpses of the dead still partially buried in the sand. At least someone will feast tonight. It's midnight september sixth eighteen fifteen captain riley fingers through the chest of rations. There's very little left. His hands shake from exhaustion. his throat is sandpaper dry. But he doesn't drink. He must conserve the little water. They have it's been six days since the crew fled the wrecked commerce in long bones for open sea in hopes of being rescued by a passing ship. But so far they've seen nothing except the ocean and the endless son riley has no compass no charts. There were all lost in the shipwreck. The men row but they have no idea where they are. During the day the heat beats down on their heads while riley keeps his eye on the coast guide them but at night gale-force winds carry them further out to sea tonight he can't even see the stars through the clouds. He is giving up any hope of a rescue at sea. If they continue the best they can hope for is to fight another few days. There isn't enough food or water to maintain their strength. They will soon lose any power to affect their own. Fate it's time to give his mena choice. Stay here in the longboat and pray for another ship to find them or take their chances and headed back to the hall of their ship. Maybe if they're lucky someone spotted the wreckage by now. We're going to take a vote if you want to return to the ship. Raise your hand. The men look at one. Another quarter is the first to make a choice. He raises his hand. Horace follow suit then. Delile one by one each of the men votes to return to the wreckage. The commerce is their only hope city. Hammett can't stop thinking about water for weeks. The sun is down as the caravan trudged. Scorching sand there have been no more sandstorms but the constant heat can drive a man. Mad hammett's mouth is so dry. He has trouble swallowing. The camels are suffering to normally. They're built for conditions like this. They can survive for weeks without water. But this heat is too much. Their humps have shrunk into half the normal size to keep them from flagging onto the load. The caravan was forced to dump tons of salt. They had planned to trade. It did little to help. Three hundred more animals died from exhaustion but soon they will be at the oasis the wells of harare. There'll be palm and water. They will arrest for twenty days each night when the caravan stops it's all that hammett dreams of sayyed. What's the first thing you'll do when you reach the acis. I'll drink you fool. Then i'll climb down into the well dunk my head. As they get closer hammett pictures the water going down his throat he imagines that cooling him from the inside out nourishing his body and then a whisper starts to make its way through the caravan. It starts at the front of the line nearly two miles up and makes its way back man by man. It's dry completely dry. There's been nothing here for over a year. Even the palm trees are dead. I harris famous wells are dry. It can't be true but as it gets closer he sees for himself with franz and every palm dry and brittle when he reaches the well he has to be sure. He climbs off his camel and lowers the bucket into the depths cited false the ground. Spare you have led us to our deaths. Brother hamid wants to say something to give his brother hope but he knows site is right. Timbuktu was still many miles away without water. They will drop one by one. The oasis is dead and soon they will be to riley watches his men. They'll water from the boat. They made the decision had backed the commerce for four full days. They have made little progress. The swells rise up over the sides of the longboat and soak their bodies. It's a never ending. Slog two men two buckets in thirty minutes shifts and still. The water pours in the muscles in their arms and back ache from the strain. Their hands are raw and covered in boils from the self each day they grow weaker. There's no more water and the thirst is unbearable. Their throats crack when they speak their hearing muffled due to loss of moisture in the inner ear. Some of them are starting to loosen. The commerce is no longer a destination. It's dry land. They need to get out of the boat and then riley sees it a thin strip of coastline. It's their head for the beach or savage bills. The water up more quickly the other sailors role pulling hard. The last of their energy put the near the shore. They get the russell. The water the comes when the boat finally slams against the rocky shore. Some of the men dropped their knees in week. After dragging the boat up onto the banks riley assesses where they are they're enclosed by a wall of cliffs towering more than one hundred feet above. There is nothing in either direction. They must be further north than the commerce and the beach where they encountered the berber tribe. But where are they. Riley takes a seat on a boulder and watches his men search through the rocks for springs others wade into the water looking for fish. The cook delile is the first return to the captain. There's nothing captain. I've searched the whole beach. Not a single crab no oysters. What about water. No riley thinks for a moment his men are defeated. Week he has to keep their spirits up. Okay delile you stay with the men. Tell them to keep looking for food. I'm going to get over the cliffs and see what's beyond if i don't come back and you don't find food. Take your chances in the boat. Go north you might run into a shipping lane. 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Weekly Wrap: Blackface In Virginia, 'El Chapo' Trial, How AOC Set The News Cycle

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Weekly Wrap: Blackface In Virginia, 'El Chapo' Trial, How AOC Set The News Cycle

"This message comes from NPR sponsor, the American Academy of PA's with thousands of hours of medical training and versatile skill set p as our expanding access to team based care when it comes to quality healthcare. Your PA can handle it hail. This is Santa daddy usually come to show NPR reporters. Julius Berman and Sarah, dumb, solid. All right. That side the house. A up from NPR. I'm Sam Sanders. It's been a minute happy weekend. And welcome to my two guests. Julia for LAN reporter and hosted NPR Sarah Gonzales reporter for NPR's planet money, y'all both in New York. Thanks for joining me here. I'm glad jailers year. You hear this plan? Yes. This is banding. I'm kind of into right now, they're called Greta van fleet. Guess heard of them. I've heard of them. But I haven't heard this song. It's great. It's called black smoke rising. And I'm just like these guys got great name. Yeah. Right. And so the dude like the lead singer, he looks like he's eleven, but he has these pipes actually going to hear it come in at the course, right here. So this band, Greta van fleet having a really good week because they are up for a few Grammy awards including best new artist at the Grammys this weekend, but the Grammy's aren't doing so well themselves last year, the award show had six million fewer viewers than the year before folks think the ratings will also be bad this year. And it's kind of like this is a weird time for award shows. Now, right. I agree. I feel like everybody has realized that the jig is up there. Like, oh, yes liberties addresses, and I already saw that Instagram. I don't need to tune in all about the pre show for. Sure, exactly. And also these award shows too long grandkids are over three hours Oscars or over the the Oscars. Can't even find a host. They announced this week. Gotta have a host for the first time in thirty years. They don't even have a host. You know, what Sam I I will put you in your let's start voting right now. Everybody who's listening to this show vote for Sam as the host of the Oscar let me tell you what I would do if I were the host of the Oscars. Or the Grammy's I've already be all hardy the whole time. But I would go to the front to the Mike read they wards winters really quickly. And then be like we're done go to the bar. Come on say, just everyone takes it already seems sad like Kendrick Lamar Drake and Thomas Gambino or not gonna perform Arianna 'Grande Taylor swift aren't even going like what at this point. Why are you still doing award shows like the grannies I feel like I can hardly even talk about it right now. Because I'm like, what do I feel about the Grammys? I I don't want to watch them. That's how I feel. I'm I'm totally on a different 'haves than you guys. I am like this is the time of Latin traff. And I'm here for it. Were you guys watch it? No. Yeah. All that. I'll watch the performances online to see that's the thing. All I catch the recaps and the red carpet the next exit. Anyway, we're gonna start our week as we always do. I'm going to ask each of my guests to describe their week of news in only three words, Sarah, you've been telling us all week that one story has really been on your mind. What does that story? What are your three words? Okay. My three words are cocaine submarines Heil opinions, and I. Obviously, I'm talking about the trial of what Keane was man, Lloyd, better known as L chapel, which means shorty he's been on trial for the past three months accused of being the leader of the scene law drug cartel. So for the past three months, New York has been shutting down the Brooklyn Bridge because they have they have them. They had him in custody for a while. Now while he's on trial in a US courthouse. Yes. So he's in prison in Manhattan, but his court is in Brooklyn. So every time he goes to core reverse commute that. That he's being the traffic traffic. But yeah, but they shut down the Brooklyn Bridge, which is just kind of like wild and this week. The jury has started to deliberate. They did not reach a verdict. So the deliberations are going to continue next week. And in case you have not been following along. I just feel like I should highlight. Some of the crazy things that we've learned. Okay. Great. Great. Yeah. Like angel on my three words. Okay. So the people who testified against chapel told us all kinds of crazy ways that chapel smuggle drugs into the United States and drug money out of the United States. We heard from people who used to work within chapel saying telling us how they use submarines to transport cocaine so like real submarine submerged under water filled with drugs, how many El Chapo movies are they're gonna be well, there's already a net. Flicks theory, not goes Mexico, which is about an chapel another just like quick quick crazy story just getting out. My one of my words, there's a. Guy named or that is called L Gordo, which is the chubby one. And he said that they smuggled drugs into the United States through ten jalapeno cash. Saw that. Okay. Okay. So they basically created and the cartel apparently created like some kind of substance using gravel and some other things. So that if you turn the can upside down it sounded and felt like there was water and jalapenos in it, not cocaine jahmai, Sarah. Here's my question for you all that. I've read about this case implies that it's a really really really big deal. There were thirty seven days of witnesses boxes of evidence apparently over his career, El Chapo, smuggled in at least two hundred tons of cocaine into the US he is an alleged mass murderer why don't Americans care more about this story. Well, I think there are a lot of Americans who do care about this story. But it's not being it's not in the news as much as you might think that it should be an chapel was like as infamous as I mean, he was right under Osama bin Laden like this is the United States big catch, you know, and they got him alive. And he's sitting on trial. Like, it's it's it's a big deal. So I think one of the reasons is just that it's a closed court. So it's not televised. Well, these jurors don't want their face out there. Right. A lot of the jurors are scared that like Chapo will I them and know who they are and go after them, though, can I say one thing though, I do feel like people care about this case. But there the like the way that they care is something that I find really interesting like I feel like people want the net flicks version of it, but don't necessarily tune in to the courtroom version of I will say that during the trial reporters and just like spectators, including the guy who plays chapel in the Netflix series. My God have been waiting outside of the courthouse since for like they start lining up and sleeping at two o'clock in the morning to try to get into the courthouse. So there are we'll do care people you. Yeah. So next question if he's convicted does that change everything about the drug trade? Or does life move on and someone else fills the role life news on? I mean, the cartel has another leader, which they talked about a lot in court and the defense or the prosecution kind of said like this guy named miles Imbaba him. And it'd chapel are believed to be the co leaders of the Laura drug cartel. Some of my kids are in prison. Some of chapel is like, but they're still someone leading the cartel. Well, wow. Julia you're up next. But it heads up to our listeners. I if you're listening with kids right now this section we're going to talk about some news that involves sex workers and sex trafficking. Julia. What are your three words? My three words are not nearly as like fascinating as sad. As words. They are sex work struggle. That's pretty fascinating. I mean, it doesn't have jalapenos. But. Basically I've been spending the past couple of weeks. I'm reporting on a story that is about foster and Sesto which are these two laws that came into effect in April of twenty eighteen to prevent sex trafficking. It's the stop online sex trafficking. Actors is sister. But these two laws. The the result is the law is written. So broadly that platforms as a way of doing an abundance of caution. So that they don't have any possible liablity are just shutting down these networks that many sex workers say that they used to prevent to keep themselves safe. Because basically like if you were a sex worker, you would use a site like backpage dot com or Craigslist personals you would have ads and you could like vet people before you met them. Exactly. Now, I'm reading that like without those sites and that venting there just on the street, and it's really riskier. Yeah. And I spoke to a couple of economists about this and people who study sex work and the like sex trade in general, and essentially what they say is that like this is probably going to force outdoor sex work. There's like intersex work, which is where like you vet somebody before you meet them and the sort of pressure. Or that foster says may be putting on sex workers is that they don't have that ability to vet people until they're already out in the world confronting. Yeah. And honestly fuss and says was very popular apartments. Nancy Pelosi was in on it. A lot of folks who are like a presidential the early presidential hopefuls like Cory Booker and Kamala Harris supported foster ancestor, and the the sex worker community is like you guys don't even get it. So I saw a stat from San Francisco's K P I X that newsroom reported that human trafficking crimes are up a hundred and seventy percent in San Francisco in twenty eighteen and the reason is because sex workers are now working on the streets. And because of that they need pimps, and then jump is tied to these laws because it's push trafficking. Outside. Exactly. And it's the kind of thing where you know. Nobody wants all of this literally every sex worker that I've spoken to his also said like I don't want sex trafficking. Sex traffic is really bad. I don't want any of that to happen. But everybody is also like we have to figure out a way to legislate it. So that it's not so broad that it affects people who are doing their jobs in an industry that is humongous. It is a huge industry that people feel achey sort of addressing and talking about. But you know, I don't know here. We are. Also, another weird wrinkle is that these two laws that you mentioned they were originally written to protect children from sex trafficking, ended up affecting adult sex workers much more than I think anyone thought right fuss tests are reading in a way that is so broad so one of the examples is like if you knowingly assist support or facilitate. Advertising activity that violates federal sex trafficking laws. So like the fact that it says assist support facilitate really broad. That's where all the folks who are calling this these laws into question are really like focusing their attention. Is there any talk of lawmakers working to possibly amend those laws? I think that that is something that really remains to be seen. I spoke with a sex worker who went to DC to talk to Nancy Pelosi specifically and other lawmakers, but I have this wondering I have this question in my mind that like are we able to address it if we're not really able to talk about oh, you can't imagine a committee on the on the hill, the really nitty gritty policy discussion about this stuff on C span. You know what? I mean. Like, nobody wants to talk about nobody. Oh, yeah. You're listening to it's been a minute from NPR. I'm Sam Sanders here were to guess today. Juliet. Lawn host and reporter at NPR and Sarah Gonzales reported for NPR's planet money. So yes, I have three words as well. Democratic Overton window. Do you guys know the Overton window is now so it is this idea in political science that basically refers to the range of ideas that we tolerate in public discourse. So like on any given day there certain things that are allowed to talk about in polite spaces or about politics and good politicians are able to shift that window to their whims. We've seen Donald Trump do that a lot over the last few years. And I argue that this week a OC Alexandria. Oh, Cossio Cortes Newhouse member from the Bronx. She's doing the same thing. I'm sure you all saw this week. She unveiled her green new deal plan. You saw that right is his big long sweeping treatise that. She says will help the US address climate change and prepare the US economy to deal with that new reality. I'm just list really quickly. What it calls for? They want to meet one hundred percent of the power demand in the US through clean renewable zero emission energy. Sources they want to upgrade all existing buildings for efficiency. She says she wants to eliminate pollution greenhouse gases overhauled transportation systems electric cars guaranteed job with the staining wage for all families, high quality healthcare for all Americans. It's this big deal. But then you realize it's just a resolution, right? It's not even a Bill to messaging document. Yeah. And so now, she has in the national conversation some language in this green new deal where she says high speed rail should expand to the point where air travel becomes no longer necessary. Crazy. You don't mean like these are things that we were not talking about two years ago? And all of a sudden, we are, and I think that. Is probably clearest skill right now, she can set parameters of the debate in the way that I think Democrats haven't been able to do for a while. Right. So okay. So a lot of critics have been saying like this is just what she wants to do. She hasn't put out any kind of policy roadmap for how she would do it. And there's been some criticism about that. But like this is step one. You say this is what we want to do. And then lecture you have to create some bills. And then those bills have to go through other committees and passed the house and the Senate, and who knows when that's going to happen or if but like, this is the first step the one thing that I find the most interesting is that although her style and presentation is different a lot of the effectiveness of communication style actually mirrors some of the things that Trump does Trump every day goes to the world and says today, we're talking about this. I don't care what you're talking about. We're talking about this in ANC is also very good at doing just that. That's the Overton window, right? The Overton window. She's moving in moving those window. Yes. All right. You're listening to it's been a minute from NPR the show where we catch up on the week that was time for break. Now coming up we're going to head to Virginia and talk with the VA native about that week of crazy fonctionnaires insane. Black face news in the state house disappointing. This listener says that Virginia and race is much more complicated than you might think. You're listening to it's been a minute from NPR. We'll be right back. This message comes from NPR sponsor. Comcast business. Business has always been driven by innovators entrepreneurs and disrupters. That's why the company who built the nation's largest gig speed network is moving beyond beyond connecting your business to helping you with technology that provides better experiences. Comcast business beyond fast. Visit Comcast business dot com. For more support also comes from Disney and Pixar is critically acclaimed incredible to directed by Brad bird time, declares incredible. To shows what it means to be human now in Academy Award nominee for best animated feature film. 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That is like such a genius marketing stunt like, congratulations. That is today. You did. Also, the Bronx zoo is doing a name a Roach program. But that cost you can like pay to have a Roach named after you or someone you care about. I'm sorry. Pas a Roach a cockroach named after you or someone you care about. Yeah. No, no, no. Game panda bear. That cockroach I love it. I love it. All right now, it's time for sediment. The we call long distance. Where we call up someone from around the country or around the world and talk with them about the news in their neck of the woods this week. The epicenter for crazy news has probably been Virginia. Am I right? Oh my God. It's this weird story that keeps snowballing. I'm sure you guys have seen the headlines by the right like every day, another one falls like so to catch up Virginia. Governor Ralph Northam, a democrat and attorney general Mark herring. Also, a democrat. They both have admitted to wearing black face on top of that. It also came out that the Republican Senate majority leader in Virginia Tommy Norman, he was an editor for a yearbook back in the day that was filled with black face and a lot of racist slurs then on top of that Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax, another democrat. He is facing allegations of sexual assault, which he denies it was a lot to even get out. So. Much happening. Also, we should say that we're taping. This on Friday. So news may have changed by the time you hear this. But I wanted to talk about what the heck is going on in Virginia. So put a call out to our audience and listener named Olivia hit us up to talk. She grew up in Virginia. She went to school in Virginia. She is the daughter of immigrants from Iran and Argentina now she lives in Colorado. But she said, hey, I've been in Virginia like over twenty years, and I have some thoughts we are not using her last name in this conversation because her parents still live in Virginia, and they don't always feel safe as minorities in their community. But anyways, talk with Libya, and she basically told me race in politics in Virginia is much more complicated than you might think. Olivia. Hi. How are you? I'm good Sam. How's it going pretty good? You know, crazy Newsweek per usual. Yeah. Like, I don't know if there's a word for being disappointed. And barest at the same time. But that's how I feel. I am normally really proud to be from Virginia. But I feel like this week as the local just Virginia expert in my own circles, I feel pretty bummed to see these headlines in the news. So we put this call out asking to hear from Virginians about the news of this week and their state, and when you wrote to us, you said the first thing you have to understand about Virginia to really get Virginia. Is that they are two Virginia's tell me what you mean. When you say that totally. Yeah. I grew up in a DC suburb. Right. It's like the DC metro area. And that's where I grew up. Right. So when you leave northern Virginia and you go down ninety five or you go down eighty one. It's like a totally different world. There's more agriculture. There's more folks who don't make the living working for the federal government, or I don't know through has just got so many different microcosm 's and different kinds of people living there. Yeah. You know, one of the things you also told us is that your experience in both of these Virginia's. Is particularly interesting because you grew up as a child of immigrants with an international background. But you said you can kinda pass for white. Sometimes I mean. I mean, one tell me how that's allowed you to move through the state perhaps differently than other people and have you learn stuff that you think you might not have about Virginians and race relations air that you might not have otherwise. Yeah. Totally. I feel like NPR calls it. It's code switching right able to code switch. And in some parts of Regina. You know? I can pass as white. But yeah when I first moved down to Richmond. I saw my first confederate flags being waved by somebody. And that was one of those moments where I was like, oh, like not not going to be an easy situation down here. How do you yourself racially? I usually just stick to the countries and just say, I'm Iranian Argentinian. But you know, I hope I can just say American and not need to explain it more. Yeah. You know, one of the things that really made the story kinda hit me in the gut is that like it really underscores a question. I think a lot of immigrants or people of color or minorities often ask themselves in their heads. Which is what are nice white people saying about us or two when we aren't there. You know, what are the conversations white people have amongst themselves about us in. What are we missing? And like seeing these instances of black face, it just kind of makes me at least like second guests. You know, so many interactions and say like, what are they hiding from us? What are they hiding from me? And I think that's why it hits so hard for me at least. Given your background. Do you ever feel like you're in the room hearing? I dunno stuff. White people might say when they know other people there. Oh, totally. I have had people say to my face, you know. Oh, don't go to that bar. That's where the Latina's go or like, the Latin people don't I'm like, bro. Like, I'm right here. Like, I don't understand like a couple years ago. I had a very well-meaning white woman. Tell me that. I think I'd mentioned, you know, how climate change is going to be one of the biggest issues that are donations going to face, and she turned to me and said, yeah that and all the refugees, and I'm like what like my family's immigrants. They had to come here and make a life for themselves because they are fleeing situations like I'm right here. Like, I'm look like seriously right here. And you'll like look at my eyebrows. Like, I'm probably. From the same place from and it's like, what are you saying when I'm not there? You are you claim Virginia is your home state. I'm sure you love that state. A lot of people are talking about Virginia this week who are not from Virginia and not in Virginia. If you could talk to them as a good Virginian. What would you want them to know about Virginia? Oh, man. Where do I start like Virginia? I'm so lucky. I got through up in Virginia. It's the most diverse place I've ever lived in my life, and I've lived in New York City, San Francisco, Oakland, and I mean, there's just so much black excellence from Virginia from like, you know, Booker T Washington to Missy Elliott. We don't miss the Elliott, yo that's huge. We have ferrall. And like, I'm so like lucky that out of all the places that my parents chose to land like I'm so grateful that they chose to take me to the one St. that happens to have takeout kebab for food and also like all the Argentinian, Sherry, so I could ever want in my life. So I love Virginia just not right now. All right. Besides this crazy story and thinking about that what are your fun plans for the weekend? I'm being totally honest me, and my friend. We're going to watch these crazy fire festival. Documentaries. Just so we can see what it's like to see someone else's reputation. Go down in flames and not your own states. Oh my goodness. Well, Libya, thank you for being long-suffering Virginian and for sharing your story with us. Thank you Sam. It's been awesome. Talking to you. It's so weird hearing that conversation bath, by the way that she talked about Virginia kind of is how I feel about Texas people have all of these misconceptions about my state or like often think the worst about my state, and I'm like, no, it's home. I'll always love it. And I just love it. Yeah. I mean, it's just interesting. The way that reporters respond to something like when pictures come out, and then everyone just starts looking into Virginia. And then you're like, okay that guy to and then this guy maybe edited a yearbook that someone else had black face in another page and the whole time. I'm just like, okay. Well, what about like West Virginia, and like, South Carolina and all of the other places Boston. History. And I don't think people think like Virginia has a problem with black phase. It's the country the problem with black phase. And we're only focusing on Virginia right now every year, you're going to see some high school kids pop up all across the country at some party and black face, and they're not going to just be in Virginia. Right. And I I think that like one of the things that is. So gripping about this story is how clueless the white folks have appeared to be in the moment where they're addressing it. Like the moment that really got me was the moment where Northam held a press conference to address the the black face and said that he did another black face and per and he had put on his lag Nile was I didn't do that black face. I did another. Both ways almost he's like, I'm going to moonwalk. Some some reporter that asked him like. He was saying that I did face darkening to look like Michael Jackson. Also more on the story. Yearbooks are bad. All around. They don't make anyone happier. Like either you are shamed. 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And they said actually it's supposed to look like this. I kind of feel bad for her picking on people. Did you watch the game? I did not know. But I did watch for the commercials. The commercials were kind of disappointment this year already was in one card, but she had like one word. She got. That's all. That's a good way. Oh. Roll your are very well. I'm I'm from Texas. Oh. Honorary beano y'all got zero points where that it's fine. I have one hundred you have. You have one hundred twenty. All right. Here's the next quote may the afterlife turn out to be a series of never ending. Fox News interviews who. Or what said that? It involves a politician. Why am I so bad at that this week on my gosh? Oh my gosh. Wait. He's a Republican Senator from Nebraska. Oh my God. Ben Sasse been says been says so Republican Senator been says has been tweeting this week these fortune cookies he's been getting on anonymous has been emailing him fortune cookies, then had like many male inside of the fortune cooking. That's. A one said, quote may the afterlife turn out to be a series of never ending. Fox News interviews, another fortune cookie said that it hoped that SAS finds himself trapped in an elevator with people who are angry at him. Bins asked for his part has been taking this in stride. He's posted some funny photos of himself with these fortune cookie messages like listen, if you're going to send hate mail like if it's not like don't. Don't do it. If you're going to do a normal way like a regular Email. Don't create fake fortune cookies. Yeah. I hope that does stop. Anyway, last quote, it's just really hard this week. This last quotes, also hard. But I'm sorry. Here. We go ready, quote, we will work together with partners. So you can actually lease your furniture. When that leasing period is over you hand it back, and you might lease something else. What corporation said that? Wow. Chair roams. Who's furniture, would you least want to lease? I mean is it I. Lease. I Kiev nasty. I care for doesn't seem like leasable. Thank you. So that quote, actually comes from the head of inter I this is branding concept arm. He made he announces Kia will soon start leasing its furniture. This weeded meatballs. That is some day. I'll just go to for this dish meatballs. I also Varian joy the Swedish meatballs. But I is such a place of stress that I can't even consent. If you just go to the cafeteria. That's right. Anyway, I am not going to say I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed. I really should have gotten the KEA one got it. And she won congratulations. Julia. They you know, really it's an honor to be nominated. All right now, it's time to end the show as we do every week. We ask our listeners to share with us. 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"The from new york. This is democracy now. The secretary general remains committed to doing his utmost to avoid. The collapse of the ceasefire has been in place. Six hundred timber hundred ninety one and he is determined to do everything possible to remove all obstacles to the resumption of the political process. A nearly three decade old ceasefire has ended in occupied western sahara after morocco launched military operation. Friday just hours after a meeting between high ranking military generals from the united states and morocco. Fighting's now broken out. In several areas between morocco and the pro-independence polisario front morocco's occupied the territory since one thousand nine hundred seventy five in defiance at the united nations and the international community. We'll get the latest and rear part of the democracy now documentary four days in western sahara africa's last colony machete of we don't speak out especially says victims. Who have suffered all of this year. It has it if we don't speak out and defend our cause. This problem remain. The hainault can limited desert then forty four years. That's how long ron long. An african american man spent behind bars for a crime he did not commit. He was released august. Disappointing system disciplined the being used innocent about right. Ronnie long recently voted for the first time. We'll talk to him at last free at his home. In north carolina all that and more coming up welcome to democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I mainly goodman. The united states has topped eleven million confirmed covid nineteen cases less than a week after it passed the ten million cases milestone a record. Seventy thousand people are now hospitalized with the surge affecting every part of the country. Michael oster home. A top adviser president-elect joe biden's corona virus task force said the. us is having quote many many epidemics states are rolling out new measures to combat the surge wisconsin and chicago have issued new. Stay at home orders. Vermont bardo gatherings outside of members of the same household washington. State has also set strict rules on gatherings outside of household members limited capacity at restaurants and prohibited indoor service at gyms museums and movie theaters. Utah and north dakota are the latest states to mandate mask wearing. Meanwhile in south dakota where the cova nineteen death rate is among the worst in the world governor christie gnome a close trump ally has said she would not enforce mask mandate even if ordered by future president joe biden a new survey by national nurses united found hospitals are still failing to provide adequate. Pp and workplace protections nurses say hospitals are unprepared as the surge is only expected to get worse during the flu season and healthcare industries. Pursuit of profit is at the center of its failures. Nurses also report mental health struggles related to the pandemic. meanwhile north dakota's republican governor doug burgum said infected but as symptomatic healthcare workers should still treat covid nineteen patients at hospitals. A new report has found prisoners organized over one hundred strikes between march and june in response to dangerous conditions inside jails and prisons amidst the pandemic parallels research and media. Group that authored. The report said prisoners rose up across thirty nine states with most protests happening inside immigrant prisons since the beginning of the pandemic over a quarter of a million people in jails and prisons have tested positive for the coronavirus. Fourteen hundred prisoners and staffers have died. Perilous referred to the uprising says quote clearly one of the most massive waves of personnel resistance in the past decade unquote and other person related news. Now paso texas prisoners are being paid. Just two dollars an hour to move the bodies of people who've died of covid nineteen to mobile morgues as the number of cases and deaths has completely overwhelmed. Local hospitals the drug make dern says early results from a large clinical trial show. It's corona virus vaccine is nearly ninety five percent effective at preventing covid nineteen researchers caution. Maderna's finding is not yet peer reviewed and that it could be months before the company's vaccine might be widely available if it's proven to be safe but the news builds another preliminary findings that dozens of corona virus vaccines under development are highly effective at preventing disease. The washington post reports over one hundred thirty secret service officers have been ordered to self isolate or quarantine. The krona virus has sidelined around ten percent of the agency. Security team is partially linked to working on the campaign trail at trump's many rallies and international news british prime minister. Boris johnson isn't self-isolation after coming into contact with lawmaker who tested positive for covid. Nineteen johnson was hospitalized in april and was put in the icu as he battled covid nineteen himself months ago over one week after all major networks projected joe biden won the presidential election. His team remained shut out of key funding and access normally granted to incoming administration's on friday the two remaining states to project a winner were called with north carolina going to trump and biden taking the win in georgia although the race is now undergoing a hand recount biden has won three hundred six electoral votes to trump's two hundred thirty two biden has amassed over five point five million more votes in the popular count in two thousand sixteen. When trump won the election with three hundred six electoral votes. he declared his victory a landside. But trump has yet to concede the race delaying the transition for biden's team and further inflaming trump's base of supporters. Who believe his lies that the election was rigged against him a sunday morning. Tweet by trump appeared to show. He acknowledge biden's win by saying quote he won because the election was rigged. Though trump quickly walked at back by tweeting less than two hours. Later i concede nothing. Trump's many legal challenges to alter the outcome of the election continued to falter on friday. A judge declined to block the certification of election results in detroit michigan and pennsylvania secretary of state said she will not order a recount of votes since biden's lead is too wide on sunday the trump campaign scrap major parts of its case and pennsylvania several law firms representing the trump campaign have either withdrawn from lawsuits or said they would not get involved in additional litigation. Meanwhile is the fate of the senate hangs on the two runoffs in georgia in january senate majority leader. Mitch mcconnell's pushing to pack the courts with more right wing judges. Before trump leaves office twelve judicial nominations are currently waiting a senate vote and twenty three are awaiting committee hearings on saturday. Tens of thousands of trump's supporters rallied in washington. Dc at least twenty people were arrested. As the pro-trump protesters clashed with counter protesters resulting in hospitalization for a stabbing an independent journalist also reported being stabbed saturday by someone who appeared to be a member of the far right group proud boys in a victory for young undocumented people daca the deferred action for childhood arrivals program has been restored to near full operation. After yet another federal judge ruled acting homeland. Security secretary chad wolf was not appointed to serve in his role and therefore did not have the authority to issue restrictions on daca javier valdez of make the road. New york one of the organizational plaintiffs in the case said quote. This victory is just the beginning. Not only must. The biden administration immediately protect dhaka and tps holders and reverse all of trump's nativist policies but also provide swift relief and a path to citizenship for millions of undocumented families across the country he said peru is facing another leadership vacuum after the interim president. Manuel marino resigned just days after being appointed and following days of mass protests in which at least two protesters were killed over. One hundred others have been injured in at least forty one. People are missing as police violently. Crackdown and some of the largest protests peru has seen in decades. Marino's appointment came after what ponant are calling a legislative cool against the former president martinez scada who was impeached and removed. He's being investigated for corruption allegations at least half of peru's congress members are also under investigation for corruption on sunday. The father of one of the killed protesters spoke out by the smothers. Fathers are in this situation. Nobody wants could also because the bombs that were being through in central just imagine that what do they say about. The government needs to rise up. Nato forces from the country's northern region fired missiles at our trae as capitalist mata saturday marking a major new escalation which conflict which erupted when ethiopian. Prime minister behalf. Med launched a military offensive in tigray earlier this month meanwhile the united nations is warning of growing humanitarian crisis. As at least twenty five thousand people have already fled the tigray region into neighboring sudan. This is theo. Opn refugees speaking from the sudanese border town of how that snow food dury's looting. Almasy lost our belongings. I lost my siblings game to sudan on foot and my children are not eating in the southern caucasus mountains. Thousands of ethnic armenians have set their homes on fire as they began a mass exodus from the disputed territory of nagorno-karabakh. Making way for us or bazhani. Four sister take control of the region. The civilian withdrawal began as russian peacekeepers arrived to oversee the transfer of power in nagorno-karabakh. To answer by sean. The victor of a war with armenia. That broke out on september twenty seventh. It was the worst fighting in goro. Cornerback since the break-up of the soviet union in the early nineties when conflict killed some twenty thousand people and displaced a million others most of them as aries china japan and thirteen other countries have signed a deal to set up the world's largest trading bloc encompassing nearly a third of the global economy the regional comprehensive economic partnership or our c. p. also includes several southeast asian countries australia new zealand and south korea. The trump administration's pushing through plans to auction off drilling rights in the arctic. National wildlife refuge before president elect joe biden and takes office in january though. They won't admit he will. It's unclear what would happen to any deals. Made by the trump administration since biden has vowed to block oil exploration in the alaskan refuge. The arctic refuge is extremely rich in. Biodiversity has been home to indigenous peoples for thousands of years. Michigan's democratic governor gretchen. Whitmer has ordered n bridge too closed decades old pipelines that carry oil and gas under the straits of mackinac fragile waterway connecting lake huron and lake michigan. In a statement. Governor whitmer said n birches line five pipelines have repeatedly violated terms of an easement granted in one thousand nine hundred fifty. Three adding quote end breaks has routinely refused to take action to protect our great lakes and the millions of americans who depend on them for clean drinking water and good jobs. Tropical storm has strengthened into a category. Four hurricane is expected to make landfall tonight on the coast of nicaragua honduras as much central. America still reeling from the devastation left by hurricane eta which displaced at least two hundred ten thousand people. Meanwhile storm bunko downgraded from typhoon battered vietnam sunday after leaving. Sixty seven people dead in the philippines as the country's deadliest storm this year and anti-nuclear activists. Martha hennessy was sentenced to ten months in prison. The six member of the kings bay ploughshares to receive a sentence after the seven broke into the kings bay naval submarine base in two thousand eighteen to protest. Us nuclear weapons programs. Hennessy is the granddaughter of dorothy day. The founder of the catholic worker movement and those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report when we come back. A nearly three decade old. Ceasefire has ended and occupied western sahara. After morocco launched a military operation. Friday will get the latest. Stay with us she what some certain So to know who did would some and are is on fire by mariam hasan heroic singer from western sahara. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I'm amy goodman and nearly three decade. Old ceasefire has ended and occupied western sahara. Morocco's occupied the territory since one thousand nine hundred. Seventy five in defiance of the united nations and the international community western sahara is widely considered to be africa's last colony over the weekend fighting broke out in several areas between the moroccan military and the polisario front the saharawi liberation movement seeking independence. Meanwhile morocco's intensified its repression in occupied western sahara raiding the home of independence activists cracking down on protests. Moroccan military drones were reportedly spotted in the city of da. The ceasefire ended friday. After the moroccan military broke into a no go buffer zone in southern western sahara and exchanged fire with the polisario front for the past three weeks. Saharaui civilian protesters had blocked. A morocco built road in the area that sahara considered to be illegal. The peaceful blockade backed up traffic for miles and cut off trade between morocco and mauritania to the south the moroccan military entered the buffer zone on friday morning to disperse the civilians who were evacuated to safety by the polisario front. Morocco took military action just hours after. Us major general. Andrew rolling met and morocco with the commander of the royal moroccan armed forces southern zone which includes occupied western sahara at the united nations. A spokesperson for un secretary general antonio gutierrez warned against further violations of the ceasefire. The secretary general remains committed to doing his utmost to avoid. The collapse of the ceasefire has been in place since september nineteen ninety one and he is determined to do everything possible to remove all obstacles to the resumption of the political process. The polisario front says hundreds of sahara volunteers have signed up and left for the front over the weekend from sahara refugee camps in syria. Cd omar the polisario france representative to the united nations said quote for us it is an open war unquote in the streets civilian. The largest city in western sahara sahara as protesters took to the streets and a night-time demonstration for independence karalis also demonstrated over the weekend and other cities including occupy dash. La protests in solidarity with sahara independence also occurred over the weekend in spain and in new zealand where activists with extinction rebellion and other groups protested at a fertilizer company which buys phosphate from occupied western. Sahara in a moment will speak to professor jacob vindaloo at colgate university about the end of the ceasefire. But first let's take a look at the roots of the crisis. In two thousand sixteen. Democracy now broke the media blockade imposed by morocco and reported from inside occupied western sahara. We the first international news team to report from the occupied territory in years. This is an excerpt from our documentary. Four days in western sahara africa's last colony western sahara were peaceful. Protesters led by women are beaten in the streets. Thousands have been tortured in prison. Killed disappeared while resisting moroccan occupation. Damn saying job right at my with his baton. I was yelling at him. Hey you moroccan. Bearing huck where natural resources are plunder from phosphates to fish. I say that our domination comes from the natural resources. We have here. If it wasn't for these natural resources. Morocco would never have invaded western sahara. Got mission melva saw where a massive wall divides people the saharaouis. The native population denied a vote for self determination recidivism. Second if we don't speak out especially us as victims who have suffered all of this if we don't speak out and defend our cause. This problem will remain related. The western sahara the center of four decades long struggle for independence from morocco. It's neighbor to the north. Morocco has occupied the territory since nineteen seventy five in defiance of the united nations and the international community. The story of western sahara is one of colonialism plunder and resistance. It's also a story. Rarely told the international media and it's here in western sahara where the scholar known chomsky says the arab spring. I began in late. Two thousand ten before the uprisings in tunisia and egypt moroccan forces came in and destroy the ten cities lot of killed wounded and so on and then it spread but the struggle in western sahara dates back for nearly a century. Western sahara was colonized by spain. But the spanish occupation ended in one thousand nine hundred seventy five setting off a regional fight on october thirty. First nineteen seventy-five. Both morocco from the north and more taniwha from the south invaded western sahara as spain withdrew days after moroccan troops invaded king hassan. The second ordered hundreds of thousands of moroccan citizens to enter western sahara. In what became known as the green march mauritania would withdraw less than four years later but morocco has remained to this day just days. After the moroccan invasion secretary of state henry kissinger privately told president gerald ford. He hoped for a quote rigged. Un vote at the security council to confirm morocco's claim over western sahara about half of the saharawi population fled the invasion to neighboring algeria. Where they settled in refugee camps in the middle of the desert the moroccan invasion set off a sixteen year long war with the sahara liberated movement known as the police. Reo front morocco's army with the help of us. Military aid drove the polisario to western sahara's eastern desert. Morocco then created the world's longest minefield and built the second longest wall on earth with the help of us weapons companies northrop and westinghouse the nearly seventeen hundred mile wall divide sahara's who remain under occupation from those who fled into exile. The moroccan government began decades of torture disappearances killings and repression against pro-independence saharawis living in the occupied territory in one thousand nine hundred ninety one the un sponsored a ceasefire and promise a heroic referendum on self-determination organized by its peacekeeping mission known as manure so since then morocco has blocked attempts to organize the vote and the un security council has refused to implement its own referendum plan or allow almoner so to monitor the human rights situation in the territory today. No country recognizes moroccan sovereignty over western sahara. One of the most inaccessible places in the world and the international media has largely ignored the occupation in part because morocco has routinely blocked journalists from entering western sahara But in late two thousand sixteen democracy now successfully broke the news blockade. We were in marrakech morocco for the united nations climate change conference with un credentials and us. Passports we decided to take a chance and attempt to do what no foreign television crew has done in years. Report from africa's last colony an excerpt from democracy now is documentary. Four days in western sahara africa's last colony special thanks to mike burke john hamilton dennis moynahan and laura goddess diener. You can watch the full documentary at democracy now dot org on friday. A nearly three decades old ceasefire has ended in occupied western half sahara. Morocco launched a military operation. We're now joined by jacob. Monday associate professor of peace and conflict studies and middle eastern and islamic studies at colgate university. He co-authored the buck western sahara war nationalism and conflict irresolution professor monday. It's great to have you on democracy now. We just went deep dive into the history of what's happening in western sahara africa's last colony because so few people understand what's happening there but this critical moment that took place last week when morocco violated the no buffer zone. Explain the significance of breaking the twenty nine year ceasefire rio. We haven't seen fighting like this in western sahara. Since nineteen ninety-one there have been periods where due to increasing tensions in the lack of progress towards self-determination. We've seen tensions on the rise but tab open warfare like this is very significant The civilians that were blockading the road. Being really the only paved road that connects west africa to europe was a significant tactical victory by pulsar unit. Clearly it aggravated morocco enough that they launched a a military incursion. They've rocco has said explicitly. This was a military operation so what we have is mocking forces crossing into restricted area. That's technically under pulsar. Us sovereignty so this is a clear violation of the ceasefire. We've heard nothing from the security council so explain what the stakes are right now and also. What do you understand as us involvement. We saw this tweet from sahara voice on the same day. The moroccan army launched its operation and out yesterday which was last week. Us army major general. Andrew rolling was meeting with moroccan general. Bell care l. Fedaruk who's in charge of morocco's army operations in western sahara. The significance is that if the spirals out of control you could see a very of very significant war between morocco pulsar. Air forces were morocco to chase polls. Sorry forces all the way into julia than you could. You could see a third party enter which is which is algeria which is also on high alert right now and very Very concerned about this. In terms of what it does for security across the sahara region which we've seen in recent years has been his own. That's seen a lot of a lot of conflict and terrorism unfortunate thing but that the connections between the moroccan military and the us military have grown in recent years largely due to morocco's cooperation with the the construction of africom as the us military. Command in africa mock. Oh hosts one of the largest training exercises organized by africom. It's called the african lions and you'll exercise where countries from all over africa participate This usually held a provocatively. I think in southern morocco not too far from western sahara. So it's not good optics. That morocco chose launched this military incursion violation of un ceasefire on the same day that military commanders were in morocco preparing for their annual african lion exercise. And can you talk about what happened. When the united states was pushing for Arab nations to recognize israel you know. Uae among others Jared kushner making a massive weapons. Deal with ya and then. We heard that morocco would be one of the countries that would do this as now in two thousand nineteen and the trump administration major weapon sales to morocco. And then we heard that perhaps morocco would also recognize israel perhaps in exchange for. Us recognizing defacto morocco's occupation defacto occupation of annexation of western sahara. We've heard this reported in several locations. It hasn't happened yet. Thankfully the state department has actually in some ways been historically as an institution one of the more sober voices when it comes to these efforts in within various us administrations to push for a recognition of moroccan sovereignty over western sahara was obvious in the w bush administration With elliot abrams seeking to get us. Recognition and a state department poured cold water over and recently state department. I said that there is an on the table in terms of Morocco recognizing israel in exchange for us recognition of its sovereignty over western sahara. So the the bigger picture though is that yes. Morocco is using arms purchases as a way of signaling. It's it's Allegiance to us interests in the region not having had good relations with the trump administration so far having really bad on clinton winning the elections in eighteen rocco's had to find other ways to try to communicate to the white house its interest in strengthening partnerships. And so one of the. Where did this was through. Massive arm purchases that Morocco in nineteen eclipsed egypt as the number one arms of purchaser for. Us weaponry and. That's their way of signalling to administration. That's been quite aggressive in terms of pushing. Us weapons abroad. Morocco has has tried to get on that train so as to improve relations with the trump administration has nineteen something like one billion dollars. The us sold in missiles and other weaponry to morocco. What do you think it will take for another ceasefire now professor monday. What can the united nations do The one of the leaders of the sahara are we people. I'm an out to heidar. Many of these activists are in a unique. They're essentially virtually under house arrest being monitored. Not stop has appealed to the un security council and significantly south africa's now on the security council that has long been an ally of the same people we'll take a major diplomatic initiative from the un. The sahara desert generally very tired of the empty promises of the security council and the un secretary of the previous personal envoy who led the negotiation. Three morocco impulse. Reo left twenty nineteen and hasn't been replaced over a year and a half. The not just shows you. That security council is willing to let this issue drift and has drifted back into open warfare. So it's difficult to say what it will take to pull whole back the hour especially those who lived in exile since nineteen seventy five about one hundred. Eighty thousand of them in the refugee camps in. Tindouf are incredibly frustrated. They've been frustrated for decades The almost return to war in two thousand one and hundreds of software is from the diaspora voluntarily returned to algeria. Unprompted to join the fight. So you can imagine was twenty years later. How how many sufferers are really willing to go to war. And there's really no reason for them a to respect the words of the un because the un has been on the ground since nineteen ninety-one promising referendum and has done nothing to push forward with that. And when you talk about ten to tindouf in algiers area where so. Many sahara's are living in a refugee camps for years. Now it's from these refugee camps that young men hundreds of them are leaving to go to this buffer zone to fight exactly There's a large youth population in refugee camps especially young men There's not a lot of economic activities opportunities for them. Military service is required and the reserves are being called up pulsar already has advanced placements inside What they call the liberated territories the about a fifth of western sahara. That's under their control and they've already mobilized attacks against moroccan positions along the separation wom inside western sahara more troops are heading to the area to reinforce the to continue the fight. Morocco's pretending nothing's happening in its media. And that's not surprising. There earlier caught a very unprepared and some positions that were easily overrun by pulsar forces. I wanted to go back to give a little more history to what is happening here to democracy now documentary. Four days in western sahara africa's last colony wall. We were in western sahara. Two thousand sixteen moroccan authorities violently broke up. An independence protests led by sahara women. This was not unusual. We traveled to meet with the women's shortly after the protest ended inside. We find a number of women tending to an activist named aziza visa. Who's wreck shang in vomiting from her injuries. Should she go to a hospital medley. Who may hospital because they will not admit around. She's also too scared to go. The activists have recorded video of their protests and subsequent beatings by moroccan forces on cell phones and camcorders. What our cameras couldn't capture citizen journalists. Could we begin downloading their footage as activist meena. Bali describes what happened. Look so as because of your presence here. We wanted to have a protest and show you how things are here a sentence. It's been about two years since any journalists have access the territory with a shot off. We came chanting slogans making peace signs with our fingers as usual and then they intervened against st home computer. Not ms moore authority. If they were a large group. They pushed us into a narrow street. They took me one of them grabbed my hair and he started beating me. Wounded me here under my nose may wrestling and continued beating me against the wall the season and he struck the kidney and hit her head against the wall and then she fell on the ground at my feet. Angullia money was being dragged there until ten. I'm gonna go with the women to see their bruises. They're going to show me and then we'll see what we can show the cameras. We follow sultana kaya into a small bedroom. She pulls back her mouth her traditional sahara robe and shows me fresh bruises on her leg both arms and on her breast so trying to describe what happened to you in a luma all of us were participating rallies in the peaceful demonstrations for right to self-determination I was trying to gather my sisters. For the protests at five o'clock and the whole area was beseeched become more hassle. They were insulting us. Beating us dragging us in using violence to let us know that we weren't going to be able to protests and they tried to single us out and pushed us into narrow streets where they can beat us without anyone observing. What you saw today is nothing compared to what we've witnessed over and over since nineteen seventy five but the news never gets out anak. Women were not backing off until we get our final victory and liberate. Beatings will not deter us from continuing the fight. Even if we die it will be a sacrifice so that our sons and future generations can live in freedom that we've been denied so that's an excerpt from our democracy now documentary. We're going to post the whole thing. Democracy now dot org four days in western sahara africa's last colony a professor jacob. Monday as we wrap up here if you can talk me the women. We talked to for example. Meena bali who is who had just been beaten very badly not too high. Do hyder was not there but meena and manawatu. They are under how siege right now in n- Jamie ran the human rights center Sultana haya had her. I Poked out by moroccan police. Ten years before and she was being beaten once again. Where do you see this resistance going at this time. And could you see this Becoming an outright major confrontation. What chance does the polisario have when it comes to military competition as opposed to solving this diplomatically. Those are good questions. The concern is and we're seeing evidence that morocco's using this new context as a pretext to crackdown on sahara civil society. We're actually at the ten year anniversary of the events that in the documentary You noted that known. Chomsky called the protests day music the first uprising of the arab uprisings. A twenty eleven. we're also at the anniversary of the accords whereby madrid agreed to hand over western sahara to mauritania morocco. In nineteen seventy five. So it's a very very strange situation. We're in right now with these. Anniversaries and the the significance is that We civil side. He's been under incredible pressure by morocco. Since two thousand ten since the uprising. And we haven't seen anything significant in terms of popular manifestations so the blockade gregoire rats was one of the most significant acts of civil disobedience. We've seen from In about a decade and it was significant enough to trigger moroccan military incursion that in turn triggered a pulse oreo response that has now led to war now pulls reo very difficult for them to regain territory inside the occupied western sahara but they can do significant damage to walk enforces along the defensive barrier where most morocco's thousands tens of thousands of troops are positioned. And so what we'll see is whether or not This turns into a war of attrition or just kind of tit for tat exchange and then hopefully cooler heads from the un will come in and make the usual promises and hopefully out of this. We can get something more meaningful in terms of peace process and something that can actually lead to self-determination. Well jacob monday when a thank you for being with us Associate professor of peace and conflict studies and middle eastern slavic studies at colgate university co author of the book of called western sahara war nationalism and conflict irresolution when we come back forty four years. That's how long an african american men in north carolina was held for a crime. He did not commit. he recently. Got out of jail and voted for the first time. Stay with us do do where did all sky. It's wrong suit was wasted. Won't mercy mercy me by marvin gaye. This is democracy. Now the quarantine report i made goodman's we turn to north carolina. Which so record voter turnout this year. Including by its nearly one and a half million african american voters among them ronnie long which doesn't make him unusual except that he adjusts out of prison after spending forty four years behind bars for a crime. He did not commit. He walked out of the albemarle correctional institute a free man on aug twenty seventh disappointed really in a system. They're supposed to be about right and wrong. I'm disappointed that you have people stance it as impositions. That don't want to do the right thing. What they'll do things. Travel misleading julia. Will you live and die but look you do you with you. So he's always believed that you know standing how difficult it become one day hobe standing right now. I never will give up that hope. That was run along speaking just after his release from prison earlier this year in august. His ordeal began in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy six when he was convicted by an all white jury of raping a fifty four year old woman named sarah boast who was a wealthy white widow in two thousand fifteen has lawyers learned. Investigators had withheld scope atari evidence proving his innocence including semen samples and fingerprints taken from the crime scene. That did not match his own. The evidence was either withheld from his attorneys or disappeared. While in government hands while witnesses for the state committed perjury at his trial. It would take several more years in a ruling by the fourth. Us circuit court of appeals for long to win his freedom at a virtual hearing in may judge. James win asked quote. What is it about us that we want to prosecute and keep people in jail. When we no evidence might exist that might lead to a different outcome. Why is that so offensive to us. Now that we want to protect illegal activity from forty four years ago. When did justice leave the process such that we let our rules blind to the realities that we all can see. The judge wrote ronnie long's mother. Elizabeth passed away just weeks before his release which also came on the birthday of his wife. Ashley she had not seen her husband. Since march when albermarle person was closed to visitors due to covid nineteen. Ronnie long was twenty years old when he was wrongfully convicted. He's now sixty five and has finally been exonerated. He joins us now. From durham north carolina. Ronnie welcome back to welcome to democracy now for the first time. How does it feel to be free. You talked about coming out of his strengths. Been trying and be able to get up and do what you wanna do without somebody telling you what to do Experience in life by here. Because i want to do this world hillsborough two. I mean that people used as in china doubt. I mean this is great for me. It's a blessing within his seventh miraculous. Lesson with Be sitting right now. And what was it like to vote for the first time running along that a lot of blacks you got a lot of blacks today and they don't even believe in that boat thing nicole number one. It's used as a daily teller about Ceo capitalists the cabinets. They want a day and we but this year the first time i ever voted against as a no men That one was tied up in the situation idea. I'll put an emphasis on it but that become older. Yes i say twenty ozo- got got out. I feel denison. This is serious. Mean over the phone. So i urge numb obliged old black people. Call all people decide that right that you have even though you may think your vote. Don't make a difference somewhere down nine just it. It might be devote to megaliths last month. North carolina governor. Roy cooper said for the first time he would consider the petition signed by more than fifty thousand people calling for your pardon as well as three others. This is what he said that petition. From mr long. Which i think was received a week or so ago will receive careful consideration by me and by my office. It is a significant power of the governor. A to be able to make decisions about what a judge and jury have done and i take that power under the constitution very seriously but will review that application along with others. That was north carolina governor. Roy cooper. I wanna read more. From the concurring opinion by judge james win of the fourth circuit court of appeals which ruled to send your case back ronnie long to the federal courts and north carolina. When is an african-american obama appointee. Who also grew up in a small north carolina town. The judge wrote quote officers hid evidence. Despite knowing that doing so could lead directly to mr long's death. Such an action is repugnant in any context but it takes on a particularly sinister meaning here given our country's historical treatment of black men accused of raping white women run along. What are you demanding of governor cooper right now to this day realistically right montego dot. We speak for yourself. The constitution are listening to this case before serve. I mean you got. People didn't been victimized by the system like myself. You turn around and you put me back into society. Bill expect for me deliver productive life. I'm senator roy cooper if his any kind of compassion. You'll hard man you're talking about you religious person new talk about us this and how you have to do the right thing right now. I'm struggling astro performed for you. The come from behind vinci's the come out in st. what is it. Actually roy cooper. Fall out. I mean he got nut but signed his name and pod me in three auto bugs us a little bit by bacharach judicial system here in the state caroline in crazy people are. I mean when. I say these people. I'm telling my daughter. Physicians just don't want to do their job. What coup need pie. Leeann her mother but we can get on without a one the light we might have so ronnie long if he were to grant you a pardon that would allow you to receive a maximum of seven hundred fifty thousand dollars in compensation for being unjustly imprisoned. Seven hundred fifty thousand dollars just took out a calculator so that is seventeen thousand dollars a year for the forty four years. You were wrongly imprisoned. You haven't even gotten that. Are you suing the state. This is subject is being litigated. Right now right. This is something that been litigated right. Now i gotta. I gotta defense team. I got team years going. Don't go to work on list. Because i mean let's be realistic about this whole thing. This is why. I put all my legal documents or land. You ain't got to believe what i say you ain't got except morressy. I'll tell you to go to the loan. Three run and all all the mme dishes. This is where i put. My dog was logical people to be able to go to my web address. And look it my doctor. And mrs. see with the state of north carolina years designated doing get done to me and not only me in a stock with many still doing it. So you something. In my case the chief of police went to the county commissioners always gap the master mris of all perspective giral that i hold pick-me-up panel from started deleting may oath the masterless she put eh put in that boom jerry pick non. He big do. We want to go in your body and found out about this year later. Decision if anybody who have some kind of capacitors. They're saying. Lima g to dave. And do what's right for the people i need need. Pod is only try to get on with my life ronnie long talk about those last months in prison. You were there during the cove in nineteen lockdown The dangerous for you in prison. I mean you're in your forty four. Th year you were in prison packed in to this prison with others the outbreak of covid nineteen. What was it like inside. Local can't assadi. You got people used this land around on top of each other. Who will you go shoe. Indeed they come in they. Take your temperature biggie. You mass until you the wet but the social distance is not del. he's not dead. They cannot distant prisoners. Chaumet each other without reducing it. The prison population right gilan is this. Your mom died in the last week that you were imprisoned. First of all our condolences on the loss of your mother. What did that mean to you weeks before you got out moment. My dad has always supported me. When when i knew all before all white jew if funnel a white jewish for six years white woman me feminine lunar alma mater penitentiary. You sit a tainted jury pool down for me to pick a powerful. I with toyo in for sexual assault pillow. A wealthy white seen them in front of a. Why do why the into a wide you me and my fam renewed penalties. The only thing we can do is try to outlast. This storm going to i talking to my mother the day on the phone every day on the phone coach. I lost my father almost as like china and feel that in before they will give. My mother lied to bed. Vinegar full fifty some years. Mommy's always tell me she will. When i get out when we when you get up go fifteen twenty minutes throw line as concord. Police department came down. Miles told my momma will take me awarded fifteen twenty minutes that i will be back in that town that i needed about fifteen twenty minutes two hundred and forty four year. He also married. You were in prison. You married your wife ashley. We just showed images of her greeting you as you came out of prison after forty four years. Also a look on my. I'm sitting in the sale blah watching tv also coming to tear me to pack my stuff. I'm looking at him. Pat myself bad myself for what man told me pat mustard and go to receive when i get to receive. I got a sue the coal anyway people tell me i'm gone. Pass out eight yael the very first eight years of his father. I didn't knows you'd thing but the sky behind a wall so tall where you see. But the sky eight years i li like that but noble loves focus on what my mission work run along. I wanna thank you so much for being with us Ronnie long spent forty four years in a north carolina. Prison for a crime. He did not commit released in august. After a federal appeals court vacated his conviction and the state finally dropped the case. He voted for the first time this year. His website is free. Ronnie long dot org and that does it for our broadcast. Democracy now is produced with rene. Burkina goes through will be rainy. But he attacked cena. Carla wills tammy were enough torino. Nuristan malkov team morass to you john. Hamilton robbie karen honey suit contraire special. Thanks to julie. Crosby becca stally. I'm amy goodman. thanks so much for joining.

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Ep 32: The Carder

Darknet Diaries

40:28 min | 2 years ago

Ep 32: The Carder

"Still in credit card can be worth hundreds of dollars sexual money. When hacker still thousands of them. They don't have the time or capability to cash out on all these cards. So they turn to online marketplaces to sell their cash stolen cards and this episode will track down a hacker, who's stealing credit cards and selling them. These are true stories from the dark side of the internet. I'm Jack reciter this is dark net. Diaries. Carter's market Carter planet cutting world in two thousand seven these were the websites he'd go to to buy stolen credit cards. People would join the site. Sometimes there's a registration fee. They'd look at the forum to find posts of things they wanna buy. And then agree to buy some stolen credit cards. But the process is in straightforward your credit card and people are not accepted here. The required. Too much identifying information to process these transactions. It's too risky. This is very legal Western Union is doable. But it's not instant and bitcoin wasn't around yet in two thousand seven so liberty. Reserve was the best option to transfer money. This is sort of like pay pal, but they don't require much identification to make an account money can be transferred electrically quickly and easily and almost anonymously. So you send your money to the person selling stolen credit cards and tell them what you want, and they'll send you the credit card. Dumps a credit card. Dump is the digital information stored in the credit card like name expiration day card, number and Bank info this by itself can sometimes be used to make purchases, but some people will buy card writers and actually turn a blink credit card into a stolen credit card. Then they tried to buy things like gift cards at store. Doors to convert the stolen money into something. More legal, you can buy credit card dumps anywhere from one dollar to forty dollars each depending on where you live and how much info you get with it. But you gotta be careful. Some cards e by might be old expired or already canceled due to someone else using it or it being reported stolen. So you really need to find a good vendor that you can trust as you can imagine some vendors are better than others. They have a high success rate like sixty percent eighty percent, and they have a big inventory some have fresher cards that were just stolen yesterday. So finding good credit card dump vendors is highly sought after. But you know, who else is really interested in these vendors US secret service. Secret service has to main objectives. I is to protect the president vice-president our families and ex presidents and their second objective is to investigate criminal activity relating to financial payment industries within the US secret service is very tuned into the legal carting markets. You can bet your bottom dollar that they know about every one of them, and they're on they're making a count exploring the site watching key players buying credit cards and taking notes because what these carting websites are doing is very illegal not only stealing someone's credit cards legal, but then selling that is also legal, and then someone else using the stolen credit card is legal to and it doesn't matter where in the world are doing it from their stealing money from US companies. So while these carding markets are often operated in other countries. US banks are frequently the ones having their customers cards stolen, making US citizens banks and shops victims of these crimes so US. Secret service has a mission of finds criminals and bring them to Justice. So the secret service went onto one of these sites karting world dot C C, and they started looking to see who selling dumps it found one vendor rising up in popularity. Her name was NC, you X NCUA X would come up on the form and go crazy selling dumps, they'd say American Express cards one dollar visa MasterCard. Discover five dollars per dump minimum one thousand dollar order. Sixty to eighty percent valid rate post as frequently on karting world and a few other forms. The secret service started to build a case on this person. They started examining the history of NCO by looking at other forum posts and their online activity. Secret service started finding a lot of clues about this person. They determined NCUA ex a Russian word pronounce seek, and it means psycho checked his username back of years and found they were first selling stolen identities online things like name birthday and social then in two thousand five switch to selling more profitable stuff credit card. Dumps investigators. Searched more and discovered NC identity. It's unclear how they found this. But they discovered his name was Roman Seleznev, and he was living in Vladivostok Russia. Secret service went to Russia and met with the FSP to see if they can help track them down be was formerly the KGB, and they conduct criminal investigations when the secret service met with them and started asking about Romans Lesnie of the FSB offered no help at all like almost suspiciously on how foil which sent to secret service back home and very soon after that meaning NCUA X announced one last dump for sale and that they're quitting the karting world. And after that and see X went completely dark trail to find him at gone cold. Few months after that in April two thousand ten the owner of karting world that CC was arrested and the servers were seized this gave the secret service. A few extra clues and more incriminating evidence they found Email address friends yaks and some other information, but the FSP Russian government refused to cooperate to help capture him. And even if he was arrested in Russia. There was no extradition treaty with the US. So there'd be no way to bring him to the US for trial run the same time. The secret service was watching another illegal carting market called Carter SU and out of nowhere. New vendor showed up there named track too. The forum post read high dear customers, we glad to present our new shop of dumps we selling dumps only stolen by us. This means we are firsthand owner, they were even offering a forty eight hour exchange for new dumps if the one you had was bad this really caught the attention of the secret service who who is this new vendor and where the stealing cards from. But what was really odd is this brand new vendor was marked by the admins as being a trusted vendor? This is a hard to earn rank on the site and this person had it on day one. And also this track to person became the only dump vendor on the site. Other vendors were being removed from the site something odd was definitely with this track to person. So the secret service began watching them very closely. In may of two thousand ten same time. All this is going on secret service investigator in the state of Washington was sitting at his desk investigating a case name is detective done. The phone rang undetected Dunn's desk schlotzky's deli in quarterlane, Idaho was reporting it had been hacked, and he had to go investigate detective done had previously worked with the Seattle. Police department investigating computer crimes and was good at doing digital forensics. So we took a trip down schlotzky's Delhi to investigate. You're right at the deli on the front counter or the customers order food were two registers next to a soda fountain. These were touchscreen. Displays powering the menu software, but also handling credit card transactions as detective done examined the registers closer found. They're just regular windows. Computers, running the cast register software, and he found the both had malware running on them called cameo with Kane Meller would listen for keystroke made and look for credit cards being swiped, and then transmit that data to a server and Russia the detective had determined this. Mel wear had been present on the computer for six months examined the event logs and internet history and determined that somebody had installed this hour by browsing to web site downloading it and installing it that way. This meant that the mail was put there by someone who had control of that computer detective done wasn't sure what that meant wondered if an employee install the malware. About a month later a person in Ohio gets arrested for attempting to buy things with stolen credit cards. The secret service was contacted and were given up for ENZA image of the computer, and they look through the computer and found a bunch of stolen credit cards on it. The Wren report on each of these cards to see if there's a common purchase point because if a lot of these cards have charges in the same physical place chances are that plays might be where the cards got stolen from the reports came back, and there was a common purchase point schlotzky's deli in quarterlane, Idaho. The secret service contacted detective done the agent who investigated that Slavsky deli hawk and gave him a forensic image of the P C to see if he could make any connections between the two cases detective done examined, the PC and found credit cards were bought from two different websites, Boba dot C and track to dot name. This was the same track to from that Carter SU you form, you know, that suspicious trusted vendor in this. Computer, contained ICQ chat logs with someone named track too. So this the secret service the ability to chat with track to you the detective then started looking at these two carding websites, Boba dot C and track to dot name. First of all they look identical except for two different background colors. The detective started chatting with track to over ice acute alert more any found out that track to dot name was where untrusted customers go to buy stolen cards, then once your trusted or you pay a one thousand dollar registration fee. You could then be invited to Boba dot C c more elite Carter site the detective determine the websites were probably owned by the same person any logged into the site and looked around found thousands of credit cards for sale here claiming to be ninety percent from the US with a sixty percent valid rate. He'll so that in order to buy cards here you have to use. Liberty reserve to transfer the money the detective looked at the who is records for these two websites. Each website in the world has to be registered. The registration information is public for anyone to see information can be faked though. But the who is data on the website said they were registered by two different. Yahoo Email addresses the detective filed a warrant and sent it to Yahoo. The company so he could see the emails for this address. See the FBI secret service can request from Yahoo to view emails for certain people. If a warrant is processed then it'll be reviewed by Yahoo. And they'll supply the emails feds, and they won't even tip off the user either. But getting a warrant and access to emails takes a while to process. So the detective had to just sit there and wait for it to be ready. While waiting for the warrant to go through detective done got a call from the Boeing engineers credit union or b e c u and Seattle. The EU was reporting that a number of fraudulent charges have showed up on some credit cards with a common. Purchase point of the Broadway. Real writing Capitol Hill and Seattle since the detective was insead only drove over to the restaurant and started conducting a forensic analysis of the computers. They're they're cash registers windows. Computers running credit card processing software news computers on the same cameo. Mel where that the detective found on the schlotzky's dailies computers now where was slightly different though. This one would grab copies of the cards being processed and stick it into a textile, and then send that textile to the exact same server in Russia is textile contained thirty three thousand credit cards in clear text detective done which shocked and the Broadway grill had no idea they had even been hacked the detective did more forensics investigation. On the computers and found the Mauer was installed the same way to by someone gaining access to this computer and browsing to a website downloading and installing the detective run a report on the credit cards in text file the report showed that within a day or two of the cards being stolen the already had fraudulent charges on them from around the world. This meant that whoever stole these cards had a way to move them quick. About the same time warrant for those yahu emails completed and detective done got a copy of the inbox for the address is used to register Boba dot C C track to name a lot of emails for transactions. Liberty reserve which indicated the account numbers. This person had their also found an Email about a pay pal account and people does require you to provide a real name. And this Email said this pay pal account belong to Roman selesnick. The seam Roman selesnick that was NC you X. The big time Carter the secret service was tracking years ago, but went dark now they were able to connect the dots and see the NCUA ex and track to and Boba were all the same person. Not only did the names match, but the physical address matched ice accu-. Madge, the web money counts matched Roman didn't disappear. He probably got tipped off by the FSB that the secret service were after him, and he just changed his name. Now, the secret service was once again hot on the trail to bring down his big time Carter Romans Lesnie of. Detective done continued reading through emails he found and found. One indicating Roman was renting a server from a company called hop. One. In Virginia a warrant was issued right away to request a pen trap and a backup copy of the server up one complied with the search and provided a copy of the server which was done without any disruption since it was virtual server. The detective looked at the data on the server. I e found there were over four hundred thousand credit card dumps stored on the server that's a lot that alone is worth millions of dollars. And it seemed like Roman was selling a lot of these the detective started finding some hacking tools on the server. This server was being used to mask in the internet. Looking for computers have port three three eight nine open or remote desktop. We knows machines have the capability to connect to them remotely. This is called remote desktop and the tools on the server were actively looking for computers with this service explosive internet, then once scanner found the computer on the internet. Was running remote desktop. It would then attempt to brute force log into it by cycling through thousands of commonly used user names and passwords, then if the password had been guests correctly, the hacker can access the computer as if they were sitting right in front of it. This is a sloppy noisy and easy way to hook into computers. But it seemed to be working the reality is that nobody should have remote desktop exposed to the internet. Like that get thousands of computers were which might also mean they weren't using good passwords either. The detective was able to put the pieces together now Roman would hack into windows computers that he would find exposed online see running any kind of credit card processing software, and if so he didn't stall Mel were on it scrape the cards off it, and then send it to his server sexually not that sophisticated of hack. The detective also issued a pen trap on the server with this. He can see the meta data about the traffic going in and out of that server just like things like p addresses ports and volume of traffic, but not the full packet capture upon putting pen trap on the. Server found hundreds of computers around the world are connecting to the server uploading credit card data to it. Examined what I p's connecting to it and found that most of them are restaurants places. Like Grand Central baking, z pizza jets pizza mountain. Mike's extreme pizza CASA Mia and dazed jewelers detective done started visiting any of these places that were local to Washington state where he was based out of I he went to Grand Central baking right in downtown Seattle yet. Sure enough same situation similar point of sale software. Similar male were log showed remote desktop connection. And the Mel were was downloaded the detective also checked out another local Seattle place called mad pizza which had been communicating to the hop. One server and both locations, he visited had also been hacked one had Mel were on it for four months. The other six months then detective drove down to a little town called Hjelm in Washington to visit CASA Mia, but he didn't go for the all you can eat spaghetti. Instead he was hungry to see what was on their point of sales computers and once again. All the same signs the moat desktop in abled on Mauer installed, and it was scraping credit cards and sending them to either Ukraine or this hop one server at this point detective done had visited five restaurants, all of which had been hacked in the same way. Presumably by Romans Lesnie, they all had the same signs. We're communicating to the same servers some of these restaurants had no clue they were hacked until this year service came to their door and others had been notified by payment card processor that theft had occurred. The secret service had poured through even more emails that were in Romans inbox. They were able to determine his phone number his Russian address that he had a wife and a young daughter. And even though he had a second house in Indonesia that he would sometimes vacation to at this point. The evidence was clear and overwhelming room selenium was allegedly hacking into hundreds of restaurants and shops around the world, stealing credit cards and selling them on his two websites Boba that CC and track to dot name. So in March two thousand. Eleven Roman selesnick was indicted, which means the secret service had enough evidence on him they were accusing him of doing these crimes. But the feds couldn't catch up with him since he was in Russia and the feds there weren't cooperating with the US secret service investigated Roman some more and discovered his father was Valerie Seleznev, a deputy of the Russian Duma, which is the Russian parliament this big time hacker and Carter had a father with a lot of political juice that can protect him. This explains why Roman went dark right after the secret service met with F SP and Moscow with his father in this position. This was going to make it even harder to catch Roman. 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Diaries listeners get one hundred dollars off euro-based unit and to package and one year of euro. Plus, visit Eero dot com slash. Cnet and at checkout enter dark net. Secret service, continued to monitor the Boba dot C C and track to name websites. They saw at one point total of seven hundred and forty seven thousand credit cards were for sale on the site detective done bought sixteen of them off the site specifically for the low credit union be easy, you so he can analyze them closely and sure enough this gave him leads to even more local places that may have been hacked the detective monitored the site for the next few weeks to try to see how many cards were being bar in a week, and it was around ninety six thousand cards so within a week's time Roman had brought into point four million US dollars. This was a big time ration-. A secret service was able to track Roman's whereabouts using two different techniques. I will they had access to his Email. So they could see any flight plans yet and all this kind of stuff but second they found he used the hop. One server to do his personal web browsing on and it was on that server that he would often purchase flights. So this also gives the secret service's passport number in April two thousand eleven Roman and his wife took a vacation to Marrakech Morocco. The secret service had learned he was in Morocco and started trying to figure out ways to capture him while he's there Roman and his wife went for dinner in the aren't Ghana cafe very popular restaurant for tourists in Marrakesh Roman and his wife were at a table up stairs. Overlooking the square while they're enjoying their fancy dinner. The unthinkable happened. A massive explosion has ripped through a busy cafe in the Merle consider at Marrakesh, killing at least fifteen people and wounding twenty others the economy restaurant on Jim L elephant square is popular with tourists. Ten foreigners have been confirmed. Dead. Authorities suspect to suicide bombing of two nails found in one of the dead bodies. If proved to be the work of Islam ick militants who would be Merle Cho's biggest terrorist attack since suicide bombings killed forty five people in Casablanca eight years ago, the blast rip the cafe apart. All around were Roman was sitting shrapnel and parts of the building came down right on his head hitting him hard. He was thrown into the back of an ambulance and taken to the airport where he was medivac all the way back to Russia. The next few months. No new credit card. Dumps showed up on his websites and customers started complaining. They weren't getting dumps and someone was replying by saying things like the buses ale. You have to wait nine months later, both Boba C C and track to dot name had shut down completely. Roman selesnick went dark once again. And a secret service wasn't sure what his condition was the thought he's probably still alive and needing time to recover. But if he does get better hope probably wanna spend some time in his vacation home in Indonesia. So they started getting prepared in case that happened. Also saw he likes to travel through South Korea to get their issued some warrants for him in Korea. But then the secret service got a tip saying Roman selesnick has just arrived in Germany quickly started booking plane tickets to go there they're calling up inner poll trying to find someone to help arrest him. But just then they found out the passport numbers didn't match, and it was a different Roman. So as altogether Roman did go to Indonesia to take short trips, but he was buying plane tickets last minute to void being tracked and he'd took direct flights didn't go through Korea. Like normally did there's no extradition treaty in Indonesia either. So the feds just didn't have a way to capture in there. The secret service was getting impatient. They tried to lure him to Australia. But that didn't work either. They just had to wait and be patient and watch for him to make some kind of mistake. But a year goes by then another carting site opens up called to park dot CC. This one had a huge inventory of credit card. Dumps one reason for this is because it was also a reseller. So when the Home Depot and Neiman, Marcus were hit with their massive credit card breaches, those hackers selling the dumps onto park dot C C getting fifty percent of the sales pretty quickly this attracted the attention of the secret service who started investigating who might be behind to park dot c. In may two thousand thirteen the secret service to permanent homeland security IRAs. Criminal investigation unit had been fed up with liberty reserve and decided to shut it down. They arrested the owner and sees the site. This was a Costa Rica based company, and it was being charged with processing money used for legal purposes. I think it's illegal to process money, if he know the money's being used for criminal activities and liberty reserve attracted a lot of criminals so with liberty reserve site in the hands of the secret service. They started going through the transactions that were in the database and this gives the secret service. A lot more information about him. They found Romans old accounts and added up to transactions and found he had over fifteen million dollars in incoming transactions. They foes counts Berger and noticed some were recently active as they investigated. They found information that connected Roman selesnick to be the person behind the to park dot CC website. These transactions also gives the secret service more relevant information about Roman like his most recent address info. Numbers. On july. First two thousand fourteen secret service got a tip that Roman was in the Maldives. The problem though, is that the Maldives doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US either. So they aren't going to help the US capturing him Roman was smart knew exactly what countries he could go to in order to avoid being caught. But the secret service spoke to the Maldives police and explained how important this case was so the Modi's government agreed that if the secret service would catch him they would expel him to allow the secret service to take him. So the secret service immediately jumped on a plane and headed to the Maldives. Roman had been taking a high class vacation around the islands in the secret service was hot on his tail I stayed in the nicest impossible in a fancy hotel which cost around twenty thousand dollars for just a few days, then he took a small plane to private beach on another island, which is where he was the secret service Dodd he'll probably come back to the international airport return to Russia. So the waited for him at the airport. Two days later, Roman his wife his daughter landed in a small plane at the airport and tried to switch planes to go to Russia, but the secret service caught him just in time. They showed him the arrest warrant and place. Cuffs on him Roman reminded the secret service at the Maldives don't have an extradition treaty with the US, but the Maldivian please just stood there and watch the whole thing happened secret service through jacket over Romans wrist to hide that he was handcuffed walked him through the airport. It took the luggage which contain the following a Sony Vaio ultra book running windows, eight iphone and ipad, a Samsung phone and his identification. Secret service were able to confirm the passport number and address of his identification 's all match the same Roman selesnick that they've been tracking for all these years. The escort at him to a private jet leaving his wife and daughter behind the secret service took Roman directly to Guam a US territory and put him right in prison. The secret service kept his laptop powered on the hallway back home. But it was password protected explained a Roman the long list of evidence they had gathered on him for the last ten years. A news crew caught up with Roman while in prison in Guam. Here's Roman secret says is to me from my city public on by checked too. They send me I did. And I need to go to. And not guilty. Because Roman continued to plead innocence the case had to go to trial. Roman was not fully recovered from the bombing incident in Morocco and needed daily medicine after a while in Guam he was digging to Washington state where the secret service continued to investigate the secret service needed the password to access his laptop the already been going through his past emails and the emails had a familiar pattern. He frequently used the username smiles on many of his counts. Registering to buy movie tickets online username smells, registering to buy flowers online username, smells, and the movie ticket website, he registered at had terrible security upon registering at this site, they sent him. A welcome Email, which displayed his username and password in clear, text the password used was co one-two-three which is Russian for but whole this gave the secret service username and password to Tryon Romans laptop, and what do you know it worked? I try. The very first password. Guests the secret service made was correct oath co one-two-three. This was a big failure for Roman to reuse passwords like this and to use such a simple one on his personal laptop while being a big carting kingpin, not a good idea. The secret service took friends copies of laptop and gave it to Romans lawyers. The first thing the investigators found was that there were one point seven million credit card dumps on his laptop. That's a lot of stolen credit cards to take with you on vacation. But Romans lawyers looked over the friends a copy and saw something else. They put it out that some of the incriminating files had a last modified date that was after his arrest. The lawyers were indicating the evidence was planted there by the secret service, but the secret service tried to explain that antivirus normal system processes update, some of the Timestamps wiling connected standby, but the lawyer stuck to this as part of their case. So the secret service had to continue to do forensic work to build a case against Roman. I. I saw that too. Potsy website had no Adleman activities since the date of Romans arrest, also some liberty. Reserve emails connected Brahmin to poxy two then on the laptop. They found more evidence things like documents that Roman roads on how to use credit cards, and they also found that before roaming travel. He would search for warrants. Police reports about him to see if he was wanted in the US he wasn't just searching for his name either. But all his aliases an old names like Boba, an NCO X, the laptop also had a plain text password file, which gave the secret service access to everything. Roman had the website the hacking servers and the servers used store dumps on this give the service a ton of more evidence friends ex experts investigated laptop closer, and they looked at network logs users and system activity. They looked at the registry keys and the system resource usage monitor. They found the last wifi connection laptop was at that fancy hotel in the Maldives, and he was logged in the laptop with the username smell. House and the last application he used was a tour browser the computer forensics team. Also, tried to see what deleted files they dig up. Of course, they checked out the recycling bin, but they also looked in the slack space. When a file is deleted on a computer. It's not really wiped the computer just kind of forgets. There's a file there. And then says that part of the disk is available to write again. So of data doesn't over right that part of the disk, then deleted files can still be there. That's what the slack spaces and the friends team took a grueling task of trying to drudge up any deleted files that were in the slack space. This computer was running windows eight and had the volume shadow copy service enabled and this takes snapshots of the computer over time to allow the user to restore to an older version secret service, look through the volume shadow copy and found the same incriminating files proving these files were there before the arrest. The secret service also had his phones which showed him the phone numbers locations and photos where he was and these phones also had log into his cloud storage, which contained even more sense. Document's Roman continued to bleed innocent. And demanded he talked to his father who's a member of the Russian parliament ruined has just gone from a life of luxury and riches to now having nothing you wasn't happy with the situation at all and needed to make a plan. It was able to talk to his father in Russia. The secret service listened in on the calls and overheard some of their plans to get Roman free. I Romans father a member of the Russian parliament tried to use his political jus to get him home. But sit at work then the plan was to pay off. Prosecutors after all Roman was worth millions of dollars. So they had quite a lot to try to bring them out. Here's a transcript of the call his father. We can just pay them all in advance. And that's it Roman. It is what I'm saying. Offer them this father. Yes, I'm leaning towards this. I think this is an option Roman just make sure they know how much money they will get right away would be what they'd get in a whole year later. The prosecutors did get a bribe of around ten million dollars to release him. The prosecutors did not accept this. And it only added to his case and the phone call. Calls between him and his dad grew stranger. They would say things like, you know, that thing we talked about that. We're not allowed to talk about. Yeah. It's not true. Okay. And then his father told him he was going to visit some doctors. And then the doctors will visit Roman soon to explain the rest and something about using Andrea to create a miracle secret service thought, maybe this was some kind of code furnace gape plan. And around the same time for some strange reason. The prosecutors all started getting banned from entering Russia may be Roman's father was banning them out of spite or something during this time Roman went through six different lawyers some were quitting because he was very hard to work with and some Roman was firing because he didn't like what they were suggesting the lawyers were suggesting he takes a plea deal. Like give the secret service some information about carting, criminals and work out a deal to do very little time. But Roman refused to cooperate with any plea deal. And capturing to find a different way out of prison. Romans. Dad was also trying to get him to stall and to give him more time to make a plan suggesting get sick or fire. Another lawyer to postpone the trial after three years of being held in prison. His trial day finally came Roman ran out of ways to stall. And delay. The trial is being charged with forty counts of criminal activity and Roman was pleading innocent as lawyers had only two positions to defend him with I the files on his laptop or tampered with, but the secret service was able to prove the files where they're in the volume shadow copies before the arrest and second the defense attorney was saying the arrest in the Maldives was legal and essentially kidnapping accusing the US that this is a retaliation because Russia's harboring Snowden trial took about one and a half weeks. And after the jurors started over for about three hours, they found Roman Seleznev guilty. He was found guilty on thirty eight to forty counts this included, ten counts of wire fraud. Nine counts of obtaining information from protected computer, two counts of aggravated identity theft. Fifteen counts of possessing unauthorized equipment and eight counts of international damage to protected computers. He was accused of hacking into a pizzeria in Duvall, Washington. But the jury found him not guilty for doing that at this point Roman finally started to try to get a plea deal worked out, but it was too late. There are guidelines suggesting on how long of a prison sentence, a person should get who's guilty of this many crimes and the guidelines were off the charts. Suggesting he gets life in prison, but Romans lawyers tried to talk to judge down to not very many years. But because Roman refused to cooperate and continuously lied to. Prosecutors. The judge did not see favorably on him and give him twenty seven years of prison time for his crimes. Roman was thirty two when he was sentenced, meaning he'll get out when he's almost sixty missing most of his daughter's life half of zone Roman was still recovering from his injuries from the bombing years ago, and you had to take daily medication for it. Because it damaged his head. The lawyer thought Roman was so sick that twenty-seven years is a life sentence. The lawyer said, quote, he's not gonna live that long is going to die in jail. I'm certain of that and quoting. Secret service had to go through the one point seven million credit cards on Romans laptop and inform each Bank of the theft. Those cards belong to thirty seven hundred different banks and each of them or called in total. The secret service counted that Roman had hacked into four hundred different restaurants and shops to steal credit cards from many of which were locally owned businesses looking through the court transcripts. I see that Roman also hacked into zoos across the US and one of them he hacked into and stole credit cards from was the Phoenix zoo, which is crazy to me because I've actually been there, and I tried to look up what Phoenix news outlets covered this hack and only one small tech website. Did my guess is that never went public with this breach? And when the evidence about it came up years later and Romans trial. It was just too old to be a new story anymore. No, you might be wondering why so many of these small local businesses had remote desktop exposed to the internet. Well, a few of the owners came to court to testify they. Said they had it open like that. Because they're not support team needed it open to troubleshoot issues and actually a lot of these businesses had the same password because the same IT support group reuse passwords for many of these businesses. So each of the victim companies had to spend a lot of money to fix these security issues. I had to remove them our than upgrade some equipment like putting VPN device in place tech support can connect to them securely. But when you incur credit card breach. Like this the credit card companies start getting into your business see in order to process credit cards. You must be complying with the payment card industry or PCI. This is ran by visa and MasterCard and stuff, so the P C. I requires audits to be conducted on the network also and on top of all that because they weren't compliant with PCI they were find anywhere from five thousand dollars to thirty thousand dollars. So at a minimum breach caused each of these mall businesses twenty thousand dollars and some much higher than to top. It all off if the story got out customers. Would stop coming in fear of getting their cards stolen? The Broadway grill in Seattle had just changed ownership right before this hack. And this was a major setback for the new owners. They spent tens of thousands of dollars to fix the security issues on their systems, and they also felt a big hit from customers who are frayed to come user credit cards there, and they suffered a lot of ridicule shaming over this after being there for twenty two years this hack ultimately caused the Broadway grill to shut down and declared bankruptcy. Wait. There's more to this story to other states had indictments for Roman selesnick and wanted to try him to remember how it was really suspicious at Roman or track to was trusted vendor on Carter s you the day he opened account. Remember when he was the only vendor selling dumps on that site. Yes. Some feds in Las Vegas thought. This was suspicious enough and accused Roman of being the owner of Carter SU. So they brought Rome into trial for this enough. It was true. Roman pleaded guilty to these charges which resulted in him having to pay fifty million dollars in restitution, which was the same amount believed to have been made from selling cars on the website. And then once that was over federal court in Atlanta, Georgia took a shot at Roman to federal prosecutors there claimed Roman along with fourteen other people act into Arby s world pay which is a payment processor in Atlanta in two thousand eight the hackers got in still thousands of credit cards, then gave it to fourteen different cashiers around the world. These people would bright the dumps to blink cry. Edit cards, and then go to ATM's and just go through card after car taking out as much money as they could until the ATM was out of money. Then they move onto the next one within twelve hours of the breach. The cashiers were able to hit two hundred and eighty cities cashing out for more than nine million dollars total Roman was accused of stealing two million dollars himself the federal court in Atlanta brought Roman to trial on this and Roman pleaded guilty to this to this resulted in fourteen more years of prison time and another two million dollars in restitution. Today, Roman sits in a medium security prison in North Carolina still recovering from his head injury. Still dreaming about seeing his family against some day. Probably still wishing he was back home in Russia. You've been listening diaries for show notes links checkout dark dot com. Thanks to all the people who have given on patriot. I now have a bonus for people. There will be one more of the show donate on page on. And I'll be regularly releasing bonus episodes to supporters there this show is made by me skid rock, Jack reciter and the theme music is made by the helmet, wearing brake master cylinder. So you can in two weeks.

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Science and Psyche in Film, with Darren Aronofsky

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Science and Psyche in Film, with Darren Aronofsky

"Hey did you know the star talk has a youtube channel. Subscribe now for video versions of your favorite star talk episodes along with video shorts on all sorts of topics we've got videos on flat. Earth Nuclear Power Arrow Gel super moons asteroids hurricanes and so much more go to YouTube dot com slash star. Talk and while you're at it hit the subscribe button and hit the bill so you can be notified every time we publish a new video again. That's youtube dot com slash star. Talk for just five dollars a month you can listen to star talk with no commercials learn more at Patriotair Dot com slash star. Talk Radio from the American Museum of Natural History in New York City and all of space and we're science and a lot of the universe. I've your host Neil degrasse Tyson in your personal astrophysicist and tonight we explore the extreme from the depths of the human psyche to the cold vacuum space. So let's do this so tonight. Paula poundstone welcome. Talk a big Fan of yours for long time and you also Recent book the totally unscientific study of the search for human happiness. Were you actually do experiments. Even though you save unscientific I do experiments. Every chapter is written as an experiment. I do experiments with things that either. Hire other people thought would make me happy all right also. Joining us is star. Talks Resident Deacon Chief Charles Lou professor of physics at the City City University of New York in Staten Island. We're featuring my interview with Oscar nominated director. Darren Aronovski down his. He's the man behind popular films like a Black Swan no but his direct toil debut was for a film called Pie as in the mathematical constant instant. Three point one four one five nine two six five three five et CETERA. I'm good for eight decimal places point one four one five nine two six nine. That's all I'm good for plenty. Ah Mo- circles you go further than that. We're good. We're good for most articles here so because of this you know I had to ask him about any sources. This is a mathematical inspiration in his life was check it out in high school. I had a really great math teacher. The head of the department Mr Schneider taught this weird elective which was like I guess mysticism and mathematics or something. Oh we learned about fag rhys and his cult running around really fascinating asking stuff but he also talked about Pie. And how because we remember patheticness with the protagonist serum. There was a whole subtext to what was going on in his life and his followers monks or something sort of all so that was interesting and then all these weird kind of mystical. Go ideas that You know if you actually take the height of keys of versus the width of it. You get the I. I don't know if it's get more accurate number of pie than what the Egyptians Egyptian's we're using so he was just turning onto these different ideas. I mean now. It's become really popular when I was doing pie. There were no books on You know cosmic geometry and all that that stuff Now it's become people are really into all those connections like math being the language nature and repeating patterns in different shapes and that you know became a big theme in Pie. The spiral idea connects us so pie on the brain and from what I understand. You're enchanted by FIBONACCI. Yeah she's sequence. It's weird this is my connection to it my zip code as a kid in Brooklyn one was one one two three five who right. So there's one plus one is two and then two plus one is three and then three plus two five right. It's a one one two three five thousand craze fifth grade ZIP code. Ah Charles The film Pie yes about a mathematician obsession with numbers. Yes yes can you relate to absolutely I can there are so cool not to mention By the way my wife is a mathematician and my son one of my sons is studying to be a mathematician and they're fascinated by numbers to accept that mathematics far exceeds just numbers. What's cool about numbers that you can get lots of neat things happening? And you don't really no why and that excites people in triggers imagination makes them think about mysteries that you don't understand you can over manipulate numbers and thinks it has meaning all all the time all the time and it's actually kind of a caution that we have to make sure that things like that. Do not overwhelm your legitimate understanding the limitations nations of the patterns. You see manipulating. No so you can measure you can measure things and then work for hours to combine numbers or divide dimmer multiply them and come up with something that you deem significant and then you assert that the object had that significance buried deep within it and then you extract it by having manipulated measures of that object. I would never do that just to be clear. Never ever so explain Charles the BANACCI sequence where it's relevant to nature FIBONACCI just as you described in the clip. There you go one one two three five et cetera adding the two previous number to get the next number. It turns out that as you go forward the numbers grow very rapidly on an exponential scale and as the sequence heads toward infinity the ratio between each number and each successive number number approaches. What we call the golden ratio which creates a spiral pattern that can go on into infinity? Always repeating itself in a very beautiful and interesting way Darren also mentioned something called cosmic geometry. Do you have any sense. It sounded a little mystical me. Yeah yeah cosmic geometry or sometimes on a sacred sacred geometry is to shapes the way that say numerology is to numbers or astrologist stars. Okay in the sense that people saw so many cool things about the universe about the world around them that they could put in the context of shapes and structures that they thought surely there was something a mystical perhaps even divine deeply significant. Yeah it turns out that there is not because you can always find ways to relate shapes to one another to the things that we imagine engine we see in the end. Almost all of that is coincidence. But it's a good place to start is start thinking about things relationships relationships that eventually lead the scientific truths eventually eventually but not right away after. Got The scoop about his film on math. I asked him how he found his path to become a filmmaker in the first place. That's always a fascinating story and I got from him. Let's check it out. I graduated high school early and I was backpacking in Europe. And I ended up one of those finding yourself. This is what you were doing. Still haven't found it and then And it up in Marrakech Morocco and the Jama the big square. You've been there no amazing place and they basically You know at sunset you got snake charmers food hawkers and you have all different types of people and they were storytellers. And I R- I pushing through this crowd and seeing this old man on a cane. Speaking in his language I didn't understand a word but everyone like as he moved. He just became this giant and I was like. Oh it's storytelling. It's that was evidence for you. I just power. Storytelling was not only international. Possibly primal and I believe that an and and it goes beyond language and I mean that's the beauty of fell is that you can watch a seven-year-old Iran or an eighty year old and Scotland. And if the film film can take you into their subjective experience and then you suddenly realize world human going through the same types of challenges in their own unique ways but you you can connect with any character on the planet turned out that the guy he encountered in front of the restaurant in Morocco was just listing dinner special and then he launched his career unnecessarily well. There's somebody Charles pieces stories. San Francis- stories are way to connect anyone on the planet. Yes so you are professor. Yes I was once a professor I not anymore. Do you use storytelling to help your students. Connect all the time really yes. It is pedagogical typically wise to do so in fact studies have clearly shown psychologically educationally etc that human beings are very much interested listed in narrative. If you can tell a story about the universe if you can tell a story about whatever you're trying to describe it's much more likely to be remembered and make an impact then if you just list the information. What's what's more universal math or stories? We'll aliens stories. If we meet one you know what if we saw alias and they got around a campfire no I. I'd say this it's like asking what's more universal. Your right leg left leg oh you left wing. Then that's the answer. You need to walk right. Think about when we created the hopping when we created the constellations. It's how do we remember these weird patterns of Stars unless you tell the story. Oh there's a Ryan hunting or defending himself. While the dogs eggs are behind him and the bull is in front of them. Things like that telling the stories may indeed be the way that we connect with aliens in the future. I though with the math right once as we send them a feeble theories of bleeps then they know we understand something about mathematics and then we can tell them. Let me tell you about what. My mother-in-law glory the did did yesterday with the roast and so it's an alien grandmother name. Yes go you've thought about this okay. That's part of the story. This is like we haven't even met the aliens yet. Already were stereotyping connects. We'll break down the psychology of facing extreme situations in film when Star Talk Return. This is start. Welcome back star talk from the American Museum of Natural Disagree in my interview with Director Darren Aronovski and I asked him how he uses film to explore the far reaches of human experience. Check it out. I think the idea is to take people inch by inch step by step into extreme places. I mean that's what I've done. A lot of my work is like that's I can hear that sentence again. Take taken audience taken by inch step by step into where into very extreme places. Because I think that's sort of showing the range of humanity. I end up telling the story of these characters that they don't have ordinary journeys. They're definitely going somewhere really far. So you know I wanted people to understand Natalie Portman. The ballerinas is kind of motivation or urge dreams and in the long. Yeah she slow. League gets possessed by this need to be perfect and this need eight to succeed and this the inching of the aging you take little steps. It's like an requiem for a dream you see what I loved about. The book is that it was this. These two stories one was like a typical drugstore of young kids and one was an old lady who was just sort of addicted to dream and how being addicted to a drug could be the same as being addicted to not eating a chocolate. 'CAUSE YOU WANNA lose weight and that how that kind of conversation in your head is the same sort of biochemical conversation that you're grappling appaling with. Yeah Yeah you're grappling with that. He was fascinating but the show that you have to be. It's really inch by inch. See Her look at the box of chocolates. Try to look away. Look back and you do something. Something with trump. Let's get a little more exciting through sound design and you slowly can show the audience of what she's feeling so it's psychological seduction. Yeah exactly and joining us to discuss. The psychological seduction of film is neuroscientists. Scientists Heather Berlin Berlin of friend of star. Talk Your Assistant Professor of Psychiatry at the ICAHN School of Medicine. Mount Sinai by your research focuses on a range of neurological disorders The what makes a movie a psychological thriller. Well I mean basically the action. The main action of the film is happening. Usually inside the main characters mind and so the action doesn't take place externally it takes place internally and often. There's some ambiguity between either for the audience or for the lead character between fantasy and reality and not sort of takes you on this journey so when you're observing it you don't know All the details in the head but the directors trying to feed to you in little bits and so there's mystery and a little bit of terror. Yeah I mean any time you get deep inside somebody psyche. There's GonNa be some terrifying bid you want to sort of be where I mean. There's a reason why we have these fronts and why we the present ourselves in certain ways that absolutely because if you really get into the deep crevices of the mind there's going to be some dirt in there. Would you say that Emoji emoji movies. And example deep psyche of the Pu Emoji. You're referring to yes. I've what about the psychological states and conditions he's explored include obsessive compulsive disorder addiction narcissism perfectionism. These as you're familiar with all of these. Yeah I mean He. Throughout his films he always also plays upon hallucinations and delusions but in particular obsessive. Compulsive pulses disorder perfection. Black Swan Obsession and even in the fountain. The lead character is obsessed with trying to find a cure for for brain age brain tumors and addiction. I mean it was really interesting. What he said because it's true? I studied behavioral addictions like things like being addicted to food or gambling or the Internet. And what we find is that the same nurse. Circuitry is involved with behavioral addictions as is involved with addiction to drugs to chemical addictions. So it's true and that's why that film was so amazingly. Well John is that it's the same brain chemistry. So do you think technology will ever allow hours to see inside of someone else's mind or or generating individualization of dreams rather than just knowing that they're having a dream through rapid the movement or something. I mean the thing about the mind is that it's subjective right. I'm Su- the only thing we can know. Objectively is which neurons are firing. When you tell me you're having thought of let's say seeing a rose so one rate limiting factor is we'd have to map out every neural correlate of thought you've ever had which is a pretty difficult task but even if we could do that right then it would just be sort of a computer simulation we take That neural activation looks. If he's imagining a rose and then we can sort of create an image of that on a computer so it will never never can get directly into anybody's. What you're saying is you would use studying? The connection between my seeing arose and the neuro- snap Dick Response. Trains you to draw a rose based on this impetus a based on this impulse. Exactly what you're telling me is you can never look into to someone's brain and just draw the picture that they're seeing. Why do why not okay? Well first of all. Here's the brain. There's darkness in there. You never actually see anything anything. Can there's like a little camera project you forget. It's funny that you think that because you. Yeah no it's all like bloody and going in there. There's no I mean I look inside people's brains all the time you know. I'll I'll sit in neurosurgery and we we can. Actually a patient will be fully awake. We can talk to them and be looking inside their brain and manipulating things at the same time. Did you ever see any popcorn in there. That's the only way to know for sure. Zeus changed exactly car keys. How do they? I've I've read about that before. How do they do that where you're having somebody's having brain surgery and and you can talk to them? How is that possible? Basically there's there's no nerve endings in the brain so actually bring you. Don't feel anything. There's no pain in actually pains fingers. Somebody do whatever the only thing is. You have to Numb the scalp and once you get through there you so what we do is we actually can map out a spring way to glibly about the bodies. Feel this guy which is to just remove put little goodness all while all this is. It's kind of new to him. who only a few moments ago there was a screening? Would either of you would you Charles allow her to put. Did you on the machines to see what you're thinking. I one hundred percent would one hundred percent totally. No I wouldn't be cutting into first first of all. My Scalp is really sensitive. I don't even like to call my hair so just cutting my scalp right off the bat. Do you think your field is just not not mature enough yet to come to the just to hook somebody up and say here's the picture. Look we're starting their experiments. Now where for example. I can show you a picture of a house. Let's say versus a cat and I can see we can do neuro imaging and see what your brain looks like when you're viewing either one of them then I can put you in a scanner and say just imagine something. Don't tell me what it is. And then based on that we can predict whether you're imagining a house or cat so if you had a patient and and they just all day long sought Cat House House Cat House. Then you'd be. We could pretty much read their mind. Wow so basically we can read a simplistic minds. Yeah Yeah that is exciting. Aronovski is also known for its Mooring Taboo topics in his films and in the Fountain his film from two thousand and six. He confronted her resistance to the process of death and I asked him about that. So let's check it out. I think I think there's something spiritual about our journey towards death that the West has turned their back on. It's not something we respect. It's not something we study. It's not something we teach. We try to avoid it at all at all costs and yet you know literally and we we lock people. We don't take care of them and it's a lot of suffering as opposed to easing people in helping and taking people on on part of their journey. You know it's funny as a when we're in kindergarten we collect the fall leaves Sign of death as the sign of beauty. But we can't sort of apply it back to you. Know our own kind of reality decorate with decorate with them and we we glorify glorify that you know this this cycle that's happening which you have the beautiful green that turns into Brown becomes bear and that idea of the cycle rebirth and and recycling which is really. What's happening you know we're even as we're alive right now? We're recycling each other and this world so look I'd like to live an extra ten fifteen eighteen years in a healthy way. Maybe even more my son and stuff but I think a big part of the conversation should be about how you know. What is his life without death? Terrifying idea death isn't really need to be fine. It can be something. That's beautiful heather. Sure why are we so resistant baby just in the West. But perhaps in general. Why are we so resistant to the inevitable? Reality of death. Well there so there are other species that sort of understand. There's a recent story of an ORCA that carried her calf around worker weeks. Yeah or go that had died and carried it around for weeks so they have some idea of death but I I think we're the only species that really can anticipate our own death which leads to anxiety right and even religious people who supposedly believe leaving heavens so you shouldn't be scared of death because you're GonNa go to some beautiful place. They don't WanNa die either right so there's something about I think losing your consciousness your awareness of comfort in. Maybe our bodies are going to be recycled and turned into something beautiful but if I consciousness isn't there for eternity that's that's quite frightening to people so but we're fascinated by death in movies and news stories and and what does it mean to be fascinated. Aided by something that we fear well. I think that it's it's the great unknown. It's this great mystery. So films and media and ways can Either interpret what happens in death to give us comfort. I mean the fountain was an example of that in a way that it's not just there is nothing there might be something there might be something spiritual and so we can visualize that imagine what it might be like to die. That might give us some comfort and that is our obsession with it. I think kids are fascinated with T.. He wrecks among all dinosaurs. They can be eaten by T REX and the university festival by black holes. Because you can be eaten by a black hole. I think it's fascinating at one. When children's I realized that they're going to die and how they interpret the and for me this why I became a neuroscientist because when I first realized the five I was going to die if I can I keep my thoughts? How can I keep them all my brain that makes them? How does my brain mic my thoughts? And how can I keep them very advanced play lovely. No Charles. How how you view death coming from the universe everything dies right planets dies? Stars died even black holes dot this very holistic. It is so in my sense the concept except of death is really a transition from what you are now to what you will be in the future so in that sense. If you're comfortable with that there's nothing to fear. I think this idea of being uncomfortable uncomfortable. Death is exactly what they're talking about. We're afraid that we won't have a legacy that eventually. No one will remember the things that we value from others someday. No no one will value us for it and that's our search for eternity for longevity for something in the future. If you think astro physically that the idea well you are going to change but somehow what you were will become something else that may be even more grand in more beautiful. Don't worry about it but I don't even think it's sort of a bit of a narcissistic. I want to be remembered but Dr Seuss I just like experiencing life. I don't even care if I'm remembered whatever but I want to smell the rose and you see my children and so I just liked the experience of being alive or are you afraid traded death. I don't even like it when my turn is over in a game. One last question before I let you go here if science could prevent death should we. I like that question Well Insofar as death is often caused caused by some sort of illness or disease which involves human suffering. I think there's something that we can cure a preventable disease. We should And and as we start doing that life will inevitably get more longer and longer and were living way longer Even just the invention of antibiotics right and so oh. I think for sure we should do that. And if it becomes that we figured out a way to keep us alive indefinitely. Maybe it's person's choice when they want to go. Oh and they'll be the you know those feel bad for all the people that we lost. You didn't have the option to stay alive and I don't think there's anything wrong with it other than the fact that it might get get a bit boring after a while you know and then you can choose to go but it'd be nice if it could be your choice when to go rather than having some horrible disease if we choose not to die. We'll we'll need more planets. Yeah that's where you are you in charge of that population growth assumes people die. Die Right mixed in with the birth rate there might die yet you still making babies. We need another planet planet. There's probably at least a a trillion planets in the Milky Way Galaxy alone. I think we're cool you guys. We're talking about these. These lives go on forever. Are you talking talking about having like more of your thirties or your functioning with the body. That is like the lady just died. who was one hundred in seventeen? She was the oldest woman in the world. She called Everyone Kiddo are you are you talking about extending years. Here's where you're one hundred twenty because by the way coming out what's wrong with one hundred twenty. I think you're in great shape. One hundred doesn't have to be the case. I mean studies show that that we humans have a greater bias toward age than anything else be race or gender or anything like that. Why should we feel bigger bias against age wise? Should we have that bias. If we can live forever it no longer matters. Age is just a number. How many experiences have we had? How many places have begun? How many people have we met and enjoy the company that becomes the measure? And not how long you've been around plus based on the STD rates in nursing homes people having a lot. aww Heather thank you for joining US tonight on talk up next. And we learned some of the science behind Hollywood's movie magic when Stark Audrey their food Christmas is right around the corner. And I know you're looking for that perfect give so why not look above you. That's right turn to the Cosmos for your holiday gift giving needs under the lucky stars makes custom system scientifically accurate star maps. That show the alignment of the stars above a place and time chosen by you like when you first met your significant can other or your wedding day or when your kids were born. It's the perfect gift for science nerds. Sentimental souls why can't science be Romantic GOTO LUCKY STARS DOT COM. 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You can also check out all of our gifts or gifts as star talk radio dot net slash gips tips or is it gifts greenspace inside down to Earth. You're listening to start talk in the American Museum of natural feature my interview with filmmaker. Darren aaronow skiing and I asked him about the movie magic behind the celestial objects in his film the Fountain. Let's check it out of the cloud tanks like in the old Spielberg Goldberg films with clouds are coming up over. You know over the neighborhood and stuff. That's that was basically pouring ink and milk in tune into actual tanks and they would photograph it and they would combine them and so every single effect in the fountain is photographed. All of the NEBULA. All of that stuff. None of it is C. G. O.. I mean most of the celestial scenes in including the Supernova were through microscope and that was just basically two or three different chemicals reacting. And when they you could picture you know dropping brilliant brilliant this texture and weirdness that is because I didn't think to think about it. Yeah that's a good sign. Representation of moving through Nebula be plus in addition to the math connection that Darrin made in the movie Pie. You also featured an ancient word game called Google and since then the company Google created an artificial intelligence project Alpha go that learned the game with such proficiency that it can now be any human player. So I asked Darren about this. Check it out The main character in pie was also a go enthusiast. Is that right okay. What did you know about go? Didn't know much So you make a character who test test. That's that's the cool thing about making films. They basically take three or four years so it's almost like another university degree each time I do. It gives you the opportunity because you you know you get to talk to experts. You know. I'm sure I tried to call you about certain things and just get insight into the research we're doing. And you know when I did the fountain I got to hang out with brain surgeons and actually watch surgeries. So that's one of the great gifts of filmmaking. Is that you get to sort of be a dilettante through all these different worlds so so in the game go. Yeah this pre dated I think alpha go yes absolutely from Google. Yeah it was the A.. I what did you have a reaction to that the Elf ago. Yeah there was something interesting that came out it was fascinating. Not only that the beat commander at at something that no one thought would ever happen but the way the computer played undid thousands of years of tradition. The way was played so that now it's affected how people play each other so the I actually has changed as people not just beating us. It's actually taught us something to think about it in a different way. Hi To play a game like that in a lifelike way it would have to be able to flip the board when it knows. It's about yell at the other players. It's your journey important flipping the board. That's that's you need that you need that. Charles Deacon Chief I start talking uh-huh give us a quick overview of the game go shirt because it's not as popular here in the West as knows in the Far East but it's a long standing tremendously tradition. Based game. It was invented took more than two thousand years ago in China. The Chinese name for go is wait. She which literally means surrounding chess. Your point is to try to make sure that your pieces are cornering or surrounding the other opponents. Your opponent's pieces top bottom left and right and because it's such the big board and because the rules are so simple. It has been calculated that there are twenty billion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion. Google Google Possible Legal Board combinations so it is a remarkably difficult game to rock invoke the word Google as a number not as the name. That's one hundred Zeros. After but in reality it's actually very hard to calculate the exact number of possible outcomes because the numbers are so huge. We can't wrap our heads around them. Even the the number of atoms in the Milky Way galaxy is far smaller than these combinations. Really really hard very well. Coming up. Next ex- We answer your cosmic queries about the origin of the move. Winstar talk return in this is star. Talk Talk Talk from the American of acting featuring my interview with filmmaker maker. Darren aaronow ski and he. Recently produced a science series for National Geographic. Called One strange rock about our home planet. Let's check it out. We were trying to do this. Ten hour portrait of the planet that basically showed how amazing and all of these different systems have to work to connect to make life possible so we have astronomy. We have Earth Science. We have chemistry mystery. We have biology. We have anthropology and sociology and kind of blending it as a portrait of all these different ways in different connections between them but the big question was how we were going to unify it. So we in the room had this idea about going to astronauts who actually have this amazing thing called the the overview effect they all. Have this similar thing. Happened to them where they start to see the planet as one system and they start to see themselves not as Americans ends or Iowans. They start to see themselves as earthlings and I find found that really an inspiring idea so one strange thanks. Rock is just this kind of beautiful portrait of of all these systems working together in ways. That are just fascinating in your head. That makes earth one streams to you you do neil and me and Paula and all of us and in all the algae and all the lobsters the concept of life as we know it makes this rock so much stranger than any other rock we have ever found orme ever find so one. Strange Rock is told from the perspective Astronauts looking down but we as astrophysicist. We look up. Yes yes but I think we have the same view without having the benefit of going to space I think so but but the surely some benefits from looking down what what would sure when we are trying to understand the unknown we look around us to fine analogs and extend them forward right the physics in the kitchen. The chemistry the street in a pond are the kinds of physical and scientific processes that happen out in the universe on other planets or in other galaxies. So we look down to us the more we understand about where we are now the better we can understand what's out there. Charles Getting nordiques chose. What are the physics in the kitchen? Well you take your frying Pan and you put it on the stove. Yeah it gets hot. Because the burners are touching the stove and the burners on the stove then touching the pants it. Hasn't that's called conduction right. Convinced Right. Furthermore once you put the water in the pan the liquid in the pants starts moving around in pieces of a moving energy around that's called convection and then finally when it gets hot enough that you put your hand over the top ten and then you have the sauce that's radiating heat out onto your hand so that kind of convection conduction and radiation is exactly what happens. Inside the sun and the way see that energy comes out of the Sun is first radiating from the nuclear powered core thermonuclear powered core and then out convicting in the interior of the sun on and then being eventually radiated out past the surface to the earth to our faces which then can touch other things yes and then conduct that heat. Can you do anything with Feta Butter Jelly so Jaren Aronovski. He make may tackle big questions about earth in job but he had a question for me about the moon. So let's check it out. The moon is a piece of the Earth Right. Uh mostly yes. So why is it all gray. The question is if earth didn't have life color would tippy. Maybe that is what you should ask okay. So so. The moon is made mostly of the material that is Earth's crust our crust and mantle and our best ideas that there was a early in the solar system collision between us sort of a proto planet an earth and it sideswipes right and if you side swipe earth has already separated out its ingredients. The heavy things had fallen to the middle. That's what we have of an iron core. We've all heard this. Maybe didn't think through why that so is a point. When Earth was Multan? Multan heavy stuff goes false and lighter stuff afloat right so the I n goes to the middle the lighter stuff such as what we call the silicates which makes rock goes to the surface right and now now something sideswipes us. It's not reaching into the core to get it so you have all these silicates in. We think we might have had a ring right. A Saturn like ring for a while briefly would've been totally so people. Ask Me if I would go back in time. What would I wanNA? I WANNA see the formation of the move. Take me back. Who made a safe spot popcorn and watching that? So it's sideswipes you get a ring The Ring Kolesas. Yes and IT'S A it's A. It's a doggy dog. So the bigger the chunk of matter. Yeah the more gravity. It has the more rapidly than it creates a wins out very quickly quickly. It's an unstable system and then get the moon. Earth would look like that if we didn't have weathering if we didn't have life if we didn't have the weathering hides the evidence that you've been hit right and so the moon with no atmosphere you get hit going to be there a billion years from now right so that's why we don't look like the moon interesting. Yeah everyone writes. The fans had their own questions. On this very topic it means it's time for cosmic queries. The poll question I do Rene Douglas from Pittsburgh wants to know what actually defines a moon for example. Mars is moons Phobos and day MOS are not round and are captured asteroids moons but they re Pretty Lane as far as moons go. So what is the moon. It's a rock that orbits the planet Iraq did orbits a planet that's a moon also or a bit another say asteroids. Asteroids moons too. Yeah yeah so it's a smaller solid object orbiting another solid object. That's probably not a star. Yeah and but at the object is large enough then. Their center of motion sits in space between the two of them. Then you might call that a double planet but the object is not so massive that it pulls the center of mass out in space and it's deep inside the larger object. Then it's it's doing most of the motion around and so such is the case with our moon and US and all the other moons of all the other Planets Pluto has a moon. That's so so big that it does this and the center mass in space. So it's more like a double object double planet. Didn't you know what I thought I. I saw coming no. No yeah got demoted saddlebrook. Yeah we we aided and abetted that you didn't care for it to be a planet. Yeah we did it. I if I had known that. I'm not sure I would come here. You're more moon question. I do not Wolfson Don on facebook. Wants to know because Matt doesn't waste time wants to know. Why does the Earth only have one moon? But you're Jupiter gets thirty and and does the Earth have moon envy char well. Jupiter has now as far as we can tell way more than thirty minutes the reason basically the Jupiter has so many moons is because there's so much gravity that it can hold onto more moons and there's more material more objects in the orbit of Jupiter for it it to capture at had more material to start with to make moons in situ as well Institute means at the same time in the same place. You don't have to tell that to me okay. Sorry does Earth have moon envy. I Dunno Neil. Should we be envious of the Moon. I'll tell you why not okay because we have like the fifth-biggest Moon in the solar system but we're the fifth-biggest planet in the solar system. So it kind of matches right. Okay tighten I think is a little bigger sure. Yeah and Gannon Vietnamese. That might be it. We're in the top five moons of the hundreds of moons in the solar system. So I think we're the MO I don't envy we have beautiful eclipses that no other planet has because moons are so tiny compared to the size of the sun or moon is nice and fat and perfectly covers the sun began beautiful flips is. I'm Rockin army all right up next bill. Nye The science guy takes a trip to start talk We'd like to acknowledge the following Patriot. Patrons for Supporting Star Talk Radio Calvin Mitchell two and cyanide coons thanks for helping us make our trek through the cosmos guys because without too would be a lot more difficult. And if you would like to have your patriotic shout Al go to Patriotdepot Dot com slash star Talk Radio and support US greenspace inside down to Earth. You're listening to start Star Talk Free through my interview with surreal film director. Darren Gough ski is blockbuster. Blockbuster film Noah imagines the story of the great slug from the Bible and I asked about the challenge of creating fiction from. I'm a source that some people take literally. Let's check it out. I think the whole fight over did happen. It didn't happen is really a bad fight to have. I think the power of those stories is in there that they are stories. Good example is like it's you know we all well no. He didn't fly with a pair wings. Yet I say the word Icarus you understand exactly what I'm getting at. And what the morals of that story is so to have an argument about what did the whole world flood or did it. Just the Black Sea gift Philbin. Did he actually collect all these animals. This it doesn't really matter the power of that and how how it could inspire us and the reason that we should respect those stories. They're part of our culture part of all of human culture. They don't belong to one group. They belong to everyone and out of that literature. We can really learn things about ourselves the same way you can reach Shakespeare and learn the way you look at the Greek myths away. You can look at Gilgamesh Way you know you can look at your mind myths. All of them. They're all part of human culture. They're all our stories and they all have that power. A story be truly powerful. It's not actually true. I think so the first time I tried standup I bombed but my best friend lied and said that I was really great eight and so I continued to work and that help keep me performing in. That's how I became. I don't know if you call it successful but you know what is your friend. Told you the truth we would you be today. I don't know but the original story wasn't true either. How powerful number of people here thought? I'll be a stand up so Charles as a scientist. Are you tempted because I am occasionally usually to investigate stories like Noah's flood to see actually be possible absolutely unlike say Ecus wings might have the lift actually actually to carry them up high. Yeah things like that. They're always fun to think about. How much do you think you'd need He didn't have enough clearly. Yeah for size. I mean his wings would have had to been like like the size of this building. Do how much rain is needed for. Noah's flood did you ever coach Figo forty days and forty nights without stopping. You assume that. Say a good thunderstorm gives you about an inch per hour so you multiply that Four hundred twenty four times four you get about eighty feet of rain and if you magin eighty feet of rain that's enough to sink a lot of buildings back in biblical times so that seems reasonable to me now. Did the rains come down like that. I don't know you'd have to think a lot harder about the meteorological situation not back so I thought a lot about about the weight of thors Hammer. Yes and you know he can lift up but nobody else can lift it. And I found a clue in one of the four movies about how much it would way and and I did the calculation and it would the density of that hammer is equivalent to cramming a herd of three hundred million elephants into chapstick casing like Neutron Star basically knew precisely accepted but then I was later corrected and they said no it weighs forty two point three rebounds fictional material battle so you knew. He's good he's good and so I had to concede but I like like my answer. Better your answers better room. Metal supposedly changes its density depending on who picks it up. You have to be so called worthy in order to pick it up. See so if you're not worthy then all of a sudden it's like three hundred million elephants and chapstick. I think my vacuum cleaner is made of ood. Apparently the only one in the house that can lift it. You're worthy Paul. You're worthy. Paula is worth. What before we wrap things up tonight? We have a dispatch rush from my good friend. Bill nye lovers dispatches on this one is on the science of telling stories through film. Let's check it out. We we all love movies. Neil because we love stories we don't just like the story though we like how the story is being told. Think of a picture it was created by an artist. We hope it brings out some emotion. You want to know what the artist is. Driving at obina comes to picture still image you. The viewer have to provide the transition from beginning to middle and end but with a moving image moving picture. The transitions are built in. It's always was changing with time. The Creator the artist or director can change locations changed characters even change events in history. Three in the blink of an eye and then with your eye and brain you merge those moving images together into a seamless story no matter how the the story is told though. If it's a good story you want to know what happens next. That's why I love this part. This was worth the Ballerina. Is We all love stories. One of the first tapestries for stories were constellations of the night sky characters interacting no matter where we were in the history of civilization on this planet. There were cultures stories on the night's sky and fiction has value whether or not outage true because there are lessons there to be learned their lessons in Bible stories. Some people take them literally. Those people tend to not be scientifically we literate if they take the metaphorically there are lessons to be drawn from it fairy tales. You don't evaluate fairytales for whether or not it's true true you sit back and say what does that mean. What's the lesson? And why and so when I think of storytelling doing I think of the potency of communicating lessons not factual information not data but lessons lessons and boy do we as humans need lessons and these lessons. If they're good they will transcend Dan send the moment they will transcend time. We'd be passed down through cultures through the present and into the future because those are the lessons since that matter for civilization to survive itself. So that's what I think of. When I think of stories when I look up at night I imagine that I'd be one of those storytellers to carry knowledge? Wisdom and insight from one generation to the next for me is my cosmic perspective. Troll ooh Tyson personal physicist. Fisk has always been you. Keep looking at it You wish you could listen to star Talk Commercial Free Join Star Talk on Patriots for as as little as five dollars per month and the ADS will disappear learn more at Patriotair Dot com slash star talk radio.

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Excellent Edison phenomenal interruption. It's probably the best you've ever gotten right easily. Okay that's why so little full disclosure here in Oregon We're excited to have you. Obviously you're three hours ahead of us so just GonNa leave it at that. When people hear this they'll be like man. He loves his show that much. Yes doing my show that much that I'm willing to make sacrifices for a great guy like this so I gotTa Tell You I am wearing my I know you never signed with him as far as I know. But I'm wearing my goatee record tat. That I got from Ryan Stevenson. Oh Wow in honor of you being on our rock that yeah. I usually rocket every episode but But Anyway so. I'm channeling my inner like toby Mac right now like like trying to get the hip hop scene for you. So yeah that goes. I've only met him once. So but anyway. That's another story so Caja Joe. What's I shoot you wear? We always lead off with that. So help us with that weird. I mean I I like kind of in my head clown middle aged men as they got older and they'd wear these dad's shoes like big air monarchs or the you know and I never understood why they were both feel like you know canoe canoe paddle and my foot going up. The I is that real lifelike. Your foot is really got up a whole actually go from twelve to thirteen. I was asked to find out. I'm like wait a minute. That's awesome no actually age. You know your feet. You've been sitting on the seven on for so long. They actually get bigger so I think in most men cases the free get wider. So that's why they have to wear the you know that I call dad's shoes but yeah I'm with Ya. Yeah Yeah Ricard up two types of figures throwing into thirteen sizes now interesting challenge because sometimes we get great deals. 'cause no one wants to buy them. They're not velcro thirteen now. They're not they're not velcro or are they know but I would. I would rocket kangaroo. Yeah we're Walter Payton or those kangaroos back in the eighty eighty five. Yeah I remember I was like five but yeah I remember those. Yeah anytime you packing adult concealed. It's like yeah brought me well today. I have on my ACL Because I'm GONNA run later. I have my eighty six. These are the new sir. I WANNA say the Eights Nusa Eight. But they're not size eight but the ocean. 'cause they're like blue? Which is my color. So I'm going to take your head got fresh colors. But they do run into them so I feel like Chandler and you a little bit. Because they got that kind of graffiti. Look you know yeah I might have. I think I might have thought crazy. But they didn't have the rock running Brooks Brooks. Oh good too old man. Oh Man I've never owned a pair of Brooke. Surprisingly people will be like what you don't have a pair of Brooks because you have like fifty pairs of shoes. Yeah I own Brooks so anyway. I'm sure people didn't come onto here. Talk about shoes even though I do obsess about shoes which is another story in itself. But but how the heck did you get involved in hip hop like I mean? Can we go back in time for a minute? Jumping into delorean with absolutely I I don't know really hip hop music for people do music traditionally you know it's it's side road next to the highway So I you know like I. I grew up in an artistic home but not a musical home in the sense of like I didn't learn Pierre. Play the piano or I. Didn't you know I didn't learn to sing or anything like that? For without any formal music. Training Hypoxia can make music without any whole thing training. If showed me that I can still say what I want to say you know. And it's not even just limited to the music aspect you know like part was my thing but archer things you Kinda WanNa find your own version of it. That's constantly my parents are for like I'm like well. It's breaking and seeing cooler than paint brushes. You know so yeah I mean that was it. I just thought these guys creating stuff out of nothing and that. What's happening to me? I think that is south fascinating right. You you see this this genre right which I I'm being. I'm going to be honest to like I gravitated to to Bell. Biv devoe before I heard about DC. Talk I'm sure they were taken into DC. Talk probably not in the same scene. But but Bobby Brown new edition gusts crisscross as I got older. You know jump those guys but I was always blown away in snow. I'm thinking another white rapper. I don't know why maybe because I can do right. But he was so fast and and to me. You know being a kid that That loves hip hop. I'm always fascinated by how fast you guys can speak it and of course. Nf Now you know. I love his stuff. But it's so amazing to me that you guys can put so much word so much word. Play into hip hop it is. It's mind blowing to me Just as a guy that can't do it and I probably could. I'm really good on the radio. Like singing along car but like in front of a Mike to start wrapping right now not not gonNA happen. So it's awesome so So you know where. Where does cage a five two from? You've probably told this story a thousand times but for us. Help us out Well I mean I used to go by J you know back in the day I mean. That's hokey is in. Mac was my first name is I? Don't know it was like what is today like everybody little fill in the blank. You need so you could come up with the rapid but using like initials of your name plus Knack at the end. You know what I mean like. It was just an easy like instant instant name generator. So I think that's why I only do that for a couple of years. At some point it was just like this is just too long. It sounds Corny Someone said you should go by page A. And I thought I remember and the truth is a five to there was no significance to like. It's just literally Kinda cool. My head and walks short. I wind up. You know picking it on a whim like eighteen nineteen and then I'll stuck with it. I mean I was like well trying to catch the meaning to it looking at scripture. Jesus takes fishing both closet. Like that's a good thing to keep in mind I mean gods in the business multiplication but in his you know his timing so it just kinda out of that you know I mean And then Like anything everything when you're eighteen that is true. Everything's so much better when you're eighteen right my hands absolutely until you're you know years later like. I actually spelt it out. Well Yeah I grew up in southern California area so not like Florida but I've been in Florida but similar to Florida and you know I served. I I played street hockey. I you know I said Dude. Probably every other word I mean you know. California kin moved to Oregon and got my hat backwards for. Stay at school. And my overalls back in the day you know when you let him dangle no you did that. Don't don't deny that and I literally one of those like Bah. You know what I'm talking about. Those kind of sweatshirt looking things looks like a carpet. Hoodie so to speak. You ever have those out there man. I think ninety five degrees outside there is some translation from Kelley coaches. Okay you definitely pretend like we all right but We'll remember those things. Okay so I'm wearing that like the first day of school and everybody's like making fun of me like clown on me like nobody's business so I adopted the name. This is embarrassing. I don't know why I'm sharing this with you but adopted the name Rookie D. You're lucky no Ruggie like like the Rug Ruggie rugby rugged. Rugby was my was my like street name. So you're you know you get away from the cops fake name sixty six a rugged either whole year. I. That's what I want all my friends. Call me and it didn't stick. Thank God it did not work out for you not want great not well. Yeah so I mean I wasn't eighteen but you know I was like thirteen but it's kind of it translates so So what was your vision like growing up and then and then how is your vision changed now because I know that's probably being quite the metamorphosis if you will well I mean like my situations where I mean with faith at fifteen so that was a very definitive moment You know growing up. I guess it would depend on. What what you know. What's thought he hit me at But I mean you know I. I don't know if things have changed that much over the years. I mean like Coke. I was you know right in Christian hip hop bye. Seventeen eighteen I think the only thing that might have really changed probably similar my dogmatic few on life. as a young kid as a young kid in the faith probably owed years learn to compromise. You'll with some some powers But I don't think it's really changed. I mean you know I my high school reunion you know security ago and Yeah I just remember one of the girls like your exact in person from back then and actually did that a good thing or bad thing so I don't know I don't think there was a different. You know what I mean. Host CRICHTON OPPOSE COMING TO CHRIST. I mean that's good right. I mean that's good. We can go back in time and we can see those that that newest kind of back then and and they're like. Hey where you're the same. I hope for that. I mean I don't know if I've changed that much as far as vision in an identity goes but but maybe ski co Crowd funny thing that you did for your your latest project victory lap. John only the album but the book and I'm excited to talk about that. I'm excited my hands on it. First off your first book blew my mind away like I powered through it in like a day the Audio version. Not a sit down. Read a book kind of Guy. But the audio version just like I had to get to the next chapter. I had to get to the next adventure in one of the chapters in particular here in a minute but for we get through that. How humbling was that to to put up the crowd fund me and then maybe walk us through that process in your mind like is this really work. Are My fans going to show up well? This time around. It wasn't daunting because I mean I've already done for you. Know for proud funds. I think part previous approximately So you know like I wasn't. I don't think I was GONNA say worried about the crowd fund. Because you know book done very well I think I was more concerned with what this one represented. You know what I'm saying like that was more my my thought process like well you know how do I? How do I disseminate this in a way? That's not you know that's truthful that is spent but you know her need and you know he's not closing doors that I don't WanNa close so it's funny because the First Chapter. It's not even a tablet interesting. The new book is the story about writing the story. Like it's really ironic. That what I went to go. Write this story and it became literally what the story was. And it's hard to explain. How actually you reading nursing it or whatever but But yeah I mean like I got nothing to complain about like my fan base concern up repeatedly it just having just come round showed up in like numbers yet. You know what I mean. So very encouraged by that. Well right I mean you you. What was the goal if you don't mind sharing The goal was physical out. Maybe twelve I remember. I think but you surpass it by. I mean not like a couple of dollars USD you surpass a by I if I'm not mistaken like thousands of dollars right. Yeah the final number. I think was close to twenty thousand. Yeah so I'm watching this first off Full disclosure for my listeners. We've tried to get K. J. for awhile since the first book. So this is exciting for us but through Different circumstances scheduling. Whatever it finally happening now which we're excited about. But I went to my executive producer. Who has twenty five percent stake in in my show and I said is aimed Garrett and I said Garrett we gotTa Fund this guy and he goes. Are you serious? Like that's a lot of money for us. Like one hundred and fifty dollars plus shipping so is one hundred sixty our investment into you which believe me. I wish I could have done more but you know God hasn't fully blessed are well. He's blessed but not financially as of yet he's waiting for me to really get more involved or something. I don't know we'll move on from that but but I told him I was like we gotta get involved in this like. I WANNA be a part of this. I WANNA be a part of what he's doing and and get into that world and to find out how you know how he's doing it and obviously support you in that so. It was an honor for us to do that. But so I'm watching this thing grow every day and I'm thinking man. What an amazing opportunity that God is not only showing up in your life. But people just up just shelling out the love and I loved along the way your facebook quotes and and you know you would. You would do some stuff like. Hey here's why would give reasons why and then people's comments which they always say don't read the comments but right. It's hard to read the comments so many times. You're like defending yourself in in a righteous way defending yourself like hey. This is what I'm doing. I'm not stopping music. This is you know this is just a chapter closing but but anyway I was just blown away by by your crowd fund me on that so yeah well you know I mean I guess I I think this time around I mean normally I probably would have but I think this time around it just fair you know explaining and whatever and if someone wants to go with it you know I'm just not the type that'd be like all t call longer just not that person do it now within that context of that some of that is reality is too. I mean it's just full disclosure the more you engage in your post it drives up the ability so armee was like well if I go out here and start engaging it creates ability an algorithm that actually lets people see what's going on you know what I mean so you know I. I'm not just fighting like apathy and streaming and a litany of other things like I'm literally fighting a Social Media. That doesn't want engagement you know what I mean. They want you to pay for them. Which is a scam and itself so I don't know I mean look. I listed firm believer that. Just put it out there and let people make their own the teams you know. There's no reason to There's no reason to hide anything. If you've got nothing to hide you know so well said no I. I like that especially that last part. You know if you've got nothing to hide. Why hide it? No I love that absolutely well. New White Yeah. We put up a highlight reel. That's the way we live our lives right down right. You're good. I'm curious back in the day you had this like Moniker or slogan. And I think you say a couple of your songs and I know you said at the end of a dear slim which we don't necessarily talk about that but But you had one love one God one way I gotTa tell you when I heard that back in the day that resonated with me. I put it on emails for a long time personal emails like that with my signature at the bottom I i. I'm sorry I still from you. Please forgive me somebody else okay become. Why didn't that's what I was. GonNa ask it. Where did that come from? It came from a couple things I mean one. You know it's I mean it was a common phrase up when I came up to say one love which is really actually Jamaican phrase. It's a it's a regular rate So I work to taking my influences and putting my own spin on so like for me to say one row one. God One way I was I most rappers were just stopped. Warm up or one you know do even like one. I mean they would just say one so I was like well. I think things in light of God's Word One love is cultural one. God you know. That's actually the Cheema saying the wrong. But you know that's Jewish people Orthodox pray every day Here is real good. Lord is God your Lord is one so with that And then one way is my thing. Just you know what I mean like. Jesus said I'm worried that she's in life. You know what I mean So it was. It's the progressive statement. It's like saying one one loves cultural one. God you know a very universal thing but one way for me takes it one step further you know like I said when I when I heard that I was like okay. That's mine that's mine now. You ever back because I was really excited about it and I. I've seriously put it on emails. I'm not an artist but I like tried to draw a one and everything coming on. I don't know it's middle school. Still I mean I've seen it tattooed fan like I've seen you know people you know. Throw at school. I mean you make phrases and statements for the people. It's not what you put it out there. It's not yours anymore. Well that's nice that you let me have it and there's no lawsuit like pain. 'cause we don't have lawyers yet so that would have been bad but so woke up. I'm GonNa put you on the spot because I know you love to do this. And maybe you do in some put you on the spot. I don't know if you've ever know candy or or where you're at but I'm GONNA give you three phrases and I'd like to see what you can come up with. Actually I'm GonNa give you four because I'm a challenge. You right threes fours. Maybe more of a challenge but I wanNA give you three phrases and see if you can come up with a freestyle rap force. Are you willing to do that? Yeah let me We want to put you on speaker so I can. I don't like free found to be going on all right. Well it sounds good so we'll give him a minute to do that. I mean I can multitask. You can get a word all right. You want the words of course so this'll be really easy for you. I'm sure other people's shoes and then your fourth is perspective. Shoes expect wrong. I hear some some typing in the background. You know what let me just there? You go all right. I'm about to pay the bills about here while standing other people's shoes yup and about the check. It once you do that. You can get birth affected my record every time I go. I got some other people saw and I'm going to grab the show and it's unlikely if other people suit is probably Nike. Yeah Okay and you can see Caracas. Zito represent yeah. Okay I gotTA KEEP US la. Yes expected from other. Yeah now got walk. The walk the walk up in the morning. It's like ten in all matters really early on and looking for my shoes. Okay now there. They all got up in their shoes. And I'm headed off. Yep meanwhile approx New Perspective while walking. Kinda like sucks it all down. Got The other shoes on the ground and I can see when I'm running through got new perspective. I could see what's growing through which you grow and do not to wake up. Yeah I climbed it up like that of a dig. Yup and then like the kids when they break up the system across my back. I'll take up every single day. I walked onto other people sue. They feel okay. Yeah you gotTa Outta Your Mindset. You understand what they go off. Brown Yup Yup not a cat looking at me saying that me okay now. I'm Bradley shooter who the other side but you can't be 'cause audio but I had to quit by you telling you. What would that be going on? I'll be over here and I keep on going strong I got a song and I've got to drop it a small kind of microscopic. But that would be my second so. I can see what's going on and get a new perspective. Got So three to one. I think the three dollars to get done but I had a little fun. Got a loaded gun with the gun and that was awesome. Good that was so good Quite firing all the way yet. Yeah that's all right. That's a waking up. Yeah no I get it co-chairman culture. I've heard that we're our. I read that on the Earth saw that on the Internet. This dude was talking about cold showers and scenarious aspiring google. All that half of what he was saying. So that was you know so forget. Yeah that was awesome man. Thanks thanks for sharing that with us. We appreciate that so you know. Hopefully we can incorporate that somehow into the show. Because we'd love to do that so as I said the onset where am I my goatee records hat full disclosure? Toby was my whole world DC talk and they were they were. They were so amazing and My topamax door is really lame. But I was starstruck when I talked to him and he did sign a pair of ideas tracy. Mcgrady T max. They sit in my studio right now and I can actually see them from where I'm sitting but there you go but I didn't know what to say to him. All I could get out was your music changed my life. It's the reason why I got into US ministries. The reason why I continue to serve kids It's it's your hip hop music that that kind of lead me through some some dark areas of my life and then he says in response to mind if I share. That was my family later today when I talked to them and I was like yes. That's like I didn't know what to say was really shocked. But but I lead that with when you were talking about I in your first book. The chapter the Jesus Freak. Chapter how surreal it was for you to be on stage rapping the Jesus freak part. He's on stage at the same time. Can I know you did a really good job in the book but but help me out like really? What was that like for you because again for me. That would be the moment in my life that I would be like this is this is just unreal you. Well I mean that one was a little different because it's at Camp Electric Right and so that night of camp. Electric is a very interactive night for toby. So it's one of the well really the only time I've ever seen him where like he. Kinda opens up is performance to the crowd. These kids that are there. I mean they're musician kid So he'll he'll he'll kids sit in one versus or hill you know XYZ so it wasn't an granted it's a room full of it. It wasn't a huge room and it wasn't excuse dramatic. I feel you might only five to seven hundred kit for your kids. Yeah but I mean in the in the context of it. These are kids. I've been hanging out with all weeks. It was like okay. Yeah I'm there. I'm there at the camp and I've been there for years and years and years. I'm there like a form but I'll do like crafts and stuff so short India. Call me up. You know it was totally on the spur of the moment. I'm I'm really in the back because I was hosting. I'm really in the back office like I'm like my head against the wall is closing you know and I remember thinking to myself like like he called me up to do that and literally he bid and I was so facing out. I didn't realize it and so people are like dude. You GotTa call for you so I go on. And I'm thinking he wants me to do with. The kids have been doing which is kind of almost the height man you know. Be a part of the divide pressing. That wasn't it. You know what I mean. So like when he you know when the song started and he just kind of looked at me and like the side and crosses armed like go ahead you know I was like Oh. That's what we're doing. You know what I'm saying so like I wasn't really prepared and rehearsed like you didn't like go ahead of time like hey you know this. This is what but he knew I you know he knew that I. I'm like a frog I mean so like there was another time I feel like it was after that moment but there's no time he literally pulled me up and his band was jam freestyle band on the spot. You know what I mean. So he knew I Iraq and improvisational world. It just happened to be like I said I had a different thought process of what was happening but he does is set. Sometimes they're acoustically like it's a stripped down version so like instead of a drummer. They have a guy on the gym bag. You know what I mean. So he's reinterpreting the songs in that context you know saying also short You know I went through the first verse fine. But that's all I've ever done live with take either doing it would take for the previous year to With the news boys and when it comes to the second or something like I'm blanking out on dates like Oh my God. I don't know what the second versus. I'm going to break down from him proud. You Know I. It's not like just random guy like I did. I did his version. I believe so. It just happened to be the last seconds like his fired and are remembered it but it was it. That's all what had to be. Probably the most surreal moment so Not The deceiving compares but I was at a church camp And we had a worship band and they all week long. I'm like you know yelling. Jesus Freak Jesus Freak like every time they would get up for worship and the end of the camp the last night camp they did like a rock set and they did Jesus Freak and so I got to go up and wrap that part so when I heard that in the book it kind of made me think of that when again not even on the scale of having toby just standing. I wouldn't even know what to do. Well Jellicoe TAT's writing. I know you know it was just. It was just one of those funny moments and I thought like if you had to make ven diagram of this like this should like the space time continuum should like open up and swallow me or something like that like just looking at it. Like I'm I'm aren't they with the guy who wrote the song for the original ban? Which now I did with another band. That is not the band that brought in the guy from the original ban for me to do his first on the original guys new ban. And now I'm back with regional. We need like a map and like strings. You know what I mean like like I think because exactly and that's what I mean. All of the all of the chapters were good. You did a phenomenal job in the first book like I said I cannot wait to get my hands on a copy of the second book but the the First Book that chapter resonated with me the most probably because of of my my love and affair For Toby in DC. Talk and all that. But to me when I'm when I'm hearing that when I'm listening to that back like I'm like I just I can't even imagine what he was feeling like like. I can't even like again. The Space Time Continuum that you said it more articulate than idea book. It was just so mind blowing to me. Well the fight the funny thing about the whole thing was like you know got down or whatever and I walk up and I'll never forget Kazini. Great who would not I think she sat in on the phone or two with Kobe. Or something or something like that and You know I know Jamie for years but I you know. She was like a teenage kid when she saw me at a thing called the revolve tour so she was a fan of me like I am. I've ever met in my song and stuff like that and I'll never forget. She ran camera and she ran around the back after walk up to favor white rappers on one eight and I have the woods and it was and I was like. Oh you know anyway. I was just made her happy. So that's hilarious. No I wish I could have been there because yeah I mean so your story how how you you and I can act which again. We've never talked until now but so you know what I mean. Youth Guy and I'm I'm bored during a lock in and I know you've done those for those that don't know where we as youth leaders torture ourselves all night by locking ourselves in a church with middle and high schoolers usually forty to fifty of them all night long usually from seven till seven. Am So if you're not familiar walk in. It is actually worse okay. It's not worse than crucifixion. But it's probably up there. It's up there recover. Yeah it does and so so I'm always looking for like upbeat music. You know to keep the kids pumping like boom boom boom and I come across. I think it's I'M GONNA mess up game. Gametime is that that's one eight Game Day and say one game face thank you. I know I was GONNA mess up. I'm like listening to this and I'm like wow. This is really good like I need to put this on the running mix and it is still to this day on my running playlist just monitoring and so. I'm listening to this. And I had an elder her. Come to us and say that songs from the devil. I'm like actually no not not at all. Not He's like I can't understand the words I'm like. Do you want me to get the lyrics printed out for you. Because they're available. Let me get them for. You literally did a lyric video for it. So there's no there's no excuse me show that I don't know we wouldn't matter wouldn't have mattered but it was hilarious. That share that with you. I've always found that funny since one of the youth thunderstorms time the last week. Yeah I'm sure not so so I'm curious like what's what's the biggest venue you ever played people wise. Do you know that? Actually chapter in the new book Called the big show ever played okay so we don't WanNa giving well or now it's my problem. All right no I just meant. I was like interesting. You'd say that because that's the comments okay It was outdoors was In Marrakech Morocco Went over there with creches fast and it was a festival called friendship. Festival put on by the Moroccan government between Christian Muslims. Even though really honestly wasn't a wise but this concert but if you can take your thousand Muslims rocking out to they don't speak English. I don't speak Arabic but they were. It was crazy. It would be channing. A between them playing Michael Jackson Thriller. Between every fan. there'd be chaining king during so If you go on like the picture of it so it's fifty fifty five thousand was at the number you said. Well I mean that was. I don't went through and it was just people and where it was done. You know like it was like the whole city out eventually so that You know it's a different over there like if the government does something they really you know. They really honor the government. And they're you know they're I guess they have king or Prince and you know different world man. Yeah I imagine so. We talk about it. We had a musical artist on a guy from the North West he He played in a band called the incandescent and challenged him with this question too. So Google for for a previous show four point three million people three point five people three point. Five million people Rod Stewart apparently has the record. Okay three point five million so I'm just curious like if you're on that stage three point five million. What Song Are you going to be singing rapping? That point really doesn't matter that's just you know. I don't know I. I could probably look what they did. They live yeah. Go look at live aid like they would do with that. Do some Bohemian rhapsody. There you go. Yeah I don't if I do. Forgive me rapidly myself. I would do my own version of the Union. I don't know what I would do. Honestly man that's that's a great question. I don't think I would remember I picked. I wouldn't do it lightly you know 'cause I wonder right I know you're big on your not afraid. You're you're you're not gonNA hide in the shadows you really. Your faith is out in front of you. You're you're not going to shy away from that and I think that's amazing by the way that is a tremendous testimony that no matter what you say no matter what you do. Jesus really comes off of you in and out of you and so. That's why I was curious. Like you know if you had your your pick the songs and it doesn't even have to be young. It could be someone else's you know. I mean I thought I might do. I might do. You're wrong you know. I mean that's Kinda like the iconic song that you know. I mean I guess you know if you have a chance to adjust the role. Why not address the world with something like that? Yeah so I think that's what I would do. Obando you regret action. D- do you regret it at all dear slim. Because I know you're like you said a while back you're like the what was it. Fiftieth like worse hip hop moments. Like you're in their twentieth worth hip-hop. Yes Yeah Number Twenty six. I was number twenty six ago problem of all time put on. Vh One and then narrated by a bunch of comedian. Who had nothing to do with that? So there you go and to this day. You've never met EMINEM right. I am The closest I ever came meeting anybody. Who was you know And I talk about that in your chapter. But I'd say you know when when Kim matters was in jail I was able to Kinda right back and forth with her through a prison guard That was witnessing to her but no not not met him. I don't think I I don't think I ever will but I don't think I wasn't really ever even in this all kinds of you know like I I didn't it wasn't like a means to an end. You know it had a purpose to the system. I wanted to say and I took a lighter tone it. Yeah really did to this day when I hear this dear slim to like I do kinda weep a little bit because of of how how Ron Real you are that song to me it's it's still probably one of your best and at least in my mind. I mean you have so many others but but that one that one in the top easily the top five if not top ten but without I'm always curious this and I've always been curious to this. Do you know what you'd say to him. I met him. Yeah if you're talking yeah You'll management SAR way that's awesome. I'm sure you could ask a million and a half times but I I don't know see I. You know honestly at the top stuff. I mean like you know a lot more in common and probably the average person who might need You know a couple of years older than me but not by much but the main thing you know came up in similar arrows and circles. You're on down in Florida. You know in Detroit but I mean I. Did you know turn with summers machines so like I kinda understand someone who's from machine you know what goes into your make them what they are But yeah I don't know man I think I'll just like which which one how do you think is best? You know with which. I'm you like the most you know. I just don't I'm I'm Kinda wary of ever going into any conversation people agenda. I think you're better off. Just letting things run their course and just regular levels like yeah no. I do like almost like scripting like okay. I'm GonNa say this then. He's going to say that and he's GonNa Respond. Yeah I don't I don't like Bates I don't like being big switch so I'm sure he probably wouldn't even yeah so Do you ever feel like you've failed in in in the music industry at all I don't think I've failed. I think there's some things I failed per se like you know. There's some things I look back on that But no I have no complaints now. It's been a good run is there. Things is really key moment. That happened that. I wish I could have prevented absolutely like. There's probably three chemo that I really wish you know. I had the hindsight to see them. But but there's no way I could have And I actually talk about that new book. There's one of the final chapters is called overcoming bitterness and it's related directly to About three incidents where you now. I don't know if I failed as much as I just dealt with the repercussions other people's failure but to mean like I'm Kinda like you know should've preventatively protecting myself. No I do and and you know. Obviously we didn't talk ahead of time so I don't know what the book is going involve or anything like that and so I'm I'm awesome awesome. It's awesome that that we're alluding to. That's in the book that we don't even know about that to me is is pretty cool to do so. Greatest costs for you in following. Christ has been. What can what. Yeah greatest cost to you in following. Christ I mean it probably comes down to some some relationships that maybe aren't as good as they could be. You know what I mean because of who Jesus is in my life and people may not understand that or think that you know it's a waste of time or you know I mean I guess it's a is that a cau- I guess so I mean I don't know if I necessarily live my life within Gret so Yeah I mean it and maybe night and realistically now but I can certainly say that as a new believer. There were certainly multiple incidents that I had like. You know some some literal moments where I had to put my hand to the plow back and I left some things behind or less. Some people aren't so to speak. I mean that's that's always the tough thing right. I mean when when people come. There really is yeah. I've multiple stories like that myself. Yeah for sure. Obviously you already said. There's no regret so this is maybe throw a question but nothing. You would go back and change anything like that. Oh there's tons of things like that all right. Do things like change things three things for? I don't know my life or music yet. Just in general. Yeah I mean now looking back over the twenty plus years. There's a tunnel you would change so I think music. There was a couple of incidents where I knew that somebody did not have my best interest in say new. But maybe I had an inkling feeling that I you know from like screw me over and I probably just hope for the instead of actually being realistic. You know what I mean like. There was times where you know I might have got a little bit lazy. And just the faulted who this person or that person when I really should've taken ownership over it myself you know And subsequently you know thank God I had some people that were like looking out for me like you. GotTa Watch that person But you know I would have liked to lessen the damage you know what I mean I coined phrases like nipping in the bud. But cliche Kinda guy now. Well it's it's more financial like I would have been in a better financial state. You'd better state you can make you know moves and all those things so Yeah Man I regret getting burned for a lot of money you know. Sometimes you just can't prevent all of it but I don't know I'm a perfectionist and I always think if something bad happens could I you know I think can really on that too for sure So you talk about the financial cost from the sound of it. I mean that's that's a pretty big impact on your family right Yeah it's hard absolutely like there's Times where we've had to back you know and I mean parties like I. You know listen. I've had a lot of doubt about this like God. You could've prevented this. Why did you allow this to happen? And I'll be honest with you. You're maybe in the divine grants and things. It was the teach me you know. A greater sense of trust a greater sense of overcoming Would I have the degree of faith that I have now probably not? You know hard time like bring out a certain time. Something in you But you know five years ago concentrated quitting really hit the rock bottom But out of that actually came out of that gain doing schools. You know public schools out of that game a refocused back doing church ministry like I know that purpose so part of me like I would love to avoid that but the other part of me like Oh man like. I wouldn't be as good as I am not happen nine. I think that's powerful. I really do like I never response. Because that's that's some good stuff there. Yeah I'm just I'm the guy jumping out the window going. I have never. That's funny Is there any anybody you'd like to collaborate with or anybody you you'd love to share stage with it maybe having well? I mean I've said it before like I never did the phone with you know like I think that would have been cool Right now but you know he's probably the only guy I mean. Yeah mainstream artists that. I've always been a map a fan of this type dreams but you know if you train of of staying in the police and You know people like. Who's the rapper? You want to collaborate with them like back. I never even the huge fans of I don't know if I never want to collaborate with them 'cause content style you know vanilla okay all right sorry to shows i. Oh that's right. That's right not impressed. You know that's right. I forgot about that. That was in the first term. So in a rapper he caught a lick. So my last question that I wanNA play a game with you if you're good with that So how do you want to be remembered? Alan remember ever the Guy Who is faithful for calling his wife Kid And hopefully along the way impacted some people. That's probably the same and I would have said all those years back yeah. I don't think that's changed. I mean is legacy some you you strive for like to be remembered or or is this something. This is the result of what you're doing. You Hope Yeah Yeah like. It's like drilling a hole in a in a piece of wood. I'm not doing it. For caught up as a byproduct of it you know. I'm not trying to leave a legacy. I don't think I've ever even thinking about that. Quite a few safer. We do what you do. You will byproduct leave on now. I know you have kids do they. Do they know about like all of your year career. I mean they. They weren't around for all of it but do they look any differently Every once in a while every once in a while my friend we'll be like I think we're driving and since free agency Ryan's or something like that and I'm like you know like it's probably the one thing I can be like. No this is the way. Dad says you're supposed to do that. And He. He was in the car with friends. And you know I'm like I'm not GonNa sit here in like she'll get up or anything like that but I think I did start three pound or something like that and and you just said it was like well of course dad. That's what you do like. Do they ever jump on Youtube and look at old like music videos of you and stuff like like yeah like? Hey Hey look at my back in the day now. Well he's dropped I. I've heard my it depends on what like my youngest is four. So he's the CEO's but middle son you know. He's got a few videos that he like thinks it's hilarious. He you know. He thinks Christmas videos hilarious. He thinks the video player so he has like legit questions about those videos. Like crazy people in the rows nation over some of your Christmas video. This last year was hilarious year riding on the one Brazilian animal things around the mall like like was I was so jealous of that I was like. Are you kidding me? Well I I you know that was not like in the script. I just got in them all and I'm like current cameras on now. We're doing this. Like just get the footage boom get kicked out and sure enough out but Yeah like that's that's middle son but my middle son straight playlist of rap. I mean like you know. He's got like one or two months long there. But I'm not going to default favorite rapper. Some do only nine figuring out what gives but yeah like my middle my oldest. You know he'll namedrop you. Everyone from while Gordon i-it or something you know he's playing somebody was your dad. Do My dad. He'll be like no no younger than wait a minute hold on you know what I mean. So it's getting a little. Yeah that's awesome all right so So Cagey real quick before we play our game. How can people get the book? Where can they get the book? Where can they get the C. D? All that yes. It reasoning remembers his book Dot Com. Right now As paving this would be a presale mode but probably by Thomas jobs all right so You guys go there and check that out of course linked in our show. Now it'll be on Amarante awesome with those on Amazon's amazing all right so you're not here but we always played. This game called senseless so I'm rolling on your behalf. So here we go. You probably hold the dice. Roll may be didn't Ooh. This is good question for you especially as a youth leader. Who is who's touching your life right now. Who is impacting your life right now. Well I mean I mean interesting season you know like I'm proud the church So I'm like moving to different frame. I don't know if I have one specific person as much as it's like the sum total of all my interactions. And what do you mean like Like we just came out of a sixteen day fasts. Is there one person that was intact and not really but the fact that Church would put that in place and not and not in the sense of like you happy for me? It was like bill. Find something that you can dedicate and in fact from and go deeper and God you know. So yeah I mean so like I don't have to do the person I I. This is not even thing but I have a running coach right now. That has Really Push me who you'd better in my running. Even I was like doing well is just that I lost from a my speed and I thought and I kind of gave up on it girl. I'm just too old to get cut off again and the guy was not you can do it. And He's been coaching me through so actually tomorrow. I find out if I am actually able to do. And what led to that. I was curious about that. Being a runner myself what led to that well Like in high school you know and victory lap term comes from but in high school around a half Mile quarter mile but I would never good enough to be on the team but never fast enough to place like always be like if it was four places. I could sit place I get four. I only played one toward a super competitive so I always love watching those people that one and then got to take the running victory laps. And that's really what the term dot came from the book. I've got way older and later in life I started running again and started running faster than I did high school. So I'm like that doesn't make sense. How many thirty eight running houses and it was eighteen and then I got you know nothing like I was like super competitive or anything but I just got the point with like a really good about like my running time and then all of a sudden in the last two years you know I went from running like a sub six-mile alike very doing six thirty and I was working out of stuff so maybe that was. Why am I? Running down and part of me was just like well like a couple of months and forty five like you. Just losing lung capacity just got accepted on. Never go back to what I was. And this guy who was a friend of mine former pastor and he said he said all I could get you under six minutes mile mark. Made can't McCall study. Say Lose reveal to you know after a certain age. It's like no we can do and You coaching me for the last month. Real simple stuff but It really challenged me and tomorrow I race and use that word in quotes. Because I'm only raking my time soon. Racing Lincoln dedicated to get her. Nice awesome to me. When we started this series on vision and identity and cost you immediately jumped to the forefront of my mind as someone who could really speak about that because of your nature of hip hop bringing Jesus to a loss world and to me. That was just always kind of just something that that resonated with me and obviously there's been some costs along the way and your vision never got got derailed in any way and I have always valued that so. Thanks for giving us a moment today. The hip hop the freestyle was amazing. We were really excited so with that. Said we'll just get outta here so there we are K. J. Five to Jonah. Go check out. His book is available now. We've all that information in our show notes so be sure to stay on next week when we get in. Somebody's shoes after all this other people's shoes remember when you walk in other people's shoes you really do get a different perspective on life. Of course I'm your host Neal Matthews. 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Epcot's International Flower and Garden Festival Full Menu Review

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Epcot's International Flower and Garden Festival Full Menu Review

"Joining me today of lauren lisa. Howdy lisa sharpie going. All right not too bad here well of work. That's that's the way things are these days to beat job security kelly. Hopefully it looks like travels going to pick up so you'll get some travelling and writing lease. Please please don't forget travel is our livelihood tribal travel's important to us rival trials yes. I don't know i'm guessing. It sounds like anybody who wants to be vaccinated. According to what they said today can get the vaccine adults by End of may so that means the summer. I'm thinking things are going to be pretty well open under percent. Hopefully we'll see how goes so. I'm i'm hoping at the steve at laos chat that. I've been thinking that will and then i don't know it could be a could pick up. I did hear on the news today to they. Were talking that If that's the case that we we should reach what they're considering herd immunity by them. I don't know how true that is. I don't really know this tired. I've been working. Apple's i like you're in sharpy said lauren. Put the wind glass down today. I'm just tired. You drink wine i now. I actually have my red strawberry beer. It's yummy so it's truly not that. I'm i'm head too much they need. They need those flights at flower gardens as well were. That beer is really. I mean. i'm not a beer drinker. But i really like it. Is it more wine cooler than beer. It's not wine cooler. It's got like a beer tastes but like with a little bit of a strawberry undertone nice. It really good. We'll have to go to the lower garden festival and see if they have those flights. Were get four like four decent size beers you that and they last year they had two different flights so you could get a total of eight different beers and it was like it was a decent price. Yeah it was a decent price in. That was good. They were all you had some really unique things in there. So i'm sure there's something fruity in their heading there. Thursday course i am not going to get a grandma near slash what you try something new. Okay wait let me try. Let me say this again. I'm going to try really hard not to get a grip. It's i'm sorry. I'm sorry lauren but i predict utter failure us. I predict little efforts tonight. And i'm a late so i can't like i can't have that because i'm like whoa and then have something else that doesn't work looking through this this menu. I have been like. I don't know i just really want to eat something mango now. staff that's a mango well. Let's introduce our topic first before we well we do but we're already talking about it. Oh fantastic so what we're going to be doing is talking about the two thousand twenty one taste of epcot international flower and garden festival. Talk food from the flower and garden festival. And there's a lover once-favourite four-letter f word. Yes yes lord did find out who tidbit nonfood related. That is pretty exciting. In the in the press release can we start without lauren. Oh i think steve found it. We're gonna have music so they're actually going to have music at the live music at the American pavilion friday through monday evenings is called city beautiful. So it'll be bands that take the stage at the american garden theater and they perform popular songs from yesterday and today. So they're kind of local local bands but That's a good sign. That's a definitely a positive sign for the to the concert. Type things coming back hundred percent super excited about that. I feel so hopeful. Like did you see they. Brought the next phase of that. Big circular thing out for harmonious sharpies got to be just going crazy their permit. Yeah those are permanently moored. So i mean they're they're not just show elements like they're they're and they're really noon nine. Yeah currently during the day like if fountains on they'll be pretty but as of right now. They're big huge metal things in the middle of this. I know but that's gotta be so hopefully that'll come. Maybe this year feeling hope. I'm feeling hope all over the place ask all right. So tomorrow is the official opening date. Which by the time you guys here this it'll be open so it opens a march third and it runs through july fifth and lots and lots of food opportunities. And we're going favorite thing in the world and we're gonna talk about flower gardens and topiary reason cool stuff but the food offerings the keep growing every year. It's like never ending a food and wine type of thing so it's the first group okay. You wanna hit here. Well if we just take this in order we've got At bent health which is in future world west. And it's called flavorful kitchen. Not flavorful labor full kitchen and over here. You're gonna get your grilled baby vegetables with hamas scream and red pepper coolest. You've got seared for lonzo. Salmon with farro rosado and micro herbs and then a strawberry mousse with chocolate crisp pearls. That sounds pretty good about the last one to me and then they have some averages as well the second beverage. Looks like something you would love i. I don't know about that. These are both non alcoholic blood orange or gula racer brusca frasca. Luda me. well. I know what a fresca is. Scott this is you know what grew is. I have no idea. Maybe sharpie knows. I was just looking at that word and thanking means And then a cookie butter worms and dirt all lisa. Yes it's agua so bad. It is and then the minute i look back at all. I'm looking at it too. Hard or with really sleepy is do we. We did watch dora the explorer now. Well they don't put the words on the screen. They lied orange. Agua rosca this kind of there ago. It is agua free and it's a funny because you know. Lauren always says agua and i'm looking and i'm like it doesn't say agua agoura my god. I can't funny. I international lower and guard vessel. Sounds along exotic him or exotic. Oh my gosh now. let's keep going. We got so many. There's so many items. Like i don't know what that is and then i realized you know what that's agua isn't a you an ooh sound in spanish. It's fine now. i'm not gonna understand. Maybe i'm wrong like agua. Ag way okay next so ask me so pick the next one here. Yes insp water. In portuguese and spanish mother you go magdala makes perfect sense all right. So lauren tells about sunshine brittle flavor to see if. I know what. I'm talking with flavored waters. They have the quick scan of the words. Maybe maybe this will have free cheval. I did understand that. I must really be out of whatever pronounced everything. Let me go shopping. Sorry go ahead. So the epcot sunshine griddle which is over in future world. East of the stuff looks yummy. Avocado toast with toy box. Tomatoes goat cheese shibata. An avocado toast is so popularity new for the so pretty even even dunkin donuts featuring an avocado toast. Right now are they. Yeah s look good. I do like avocado. Has little flowers on it. Little edible flowers on with that. How do you know their edible. They have to be edible. Won't put them on decorative simple eat them because not everyone. Is that set up after dark. So if if people are drinking around the world okay and then next up. We have shrimp and grits with Shrimp with cheddar cheese grits and brown gravy and sweet corn salsa. That also looks cut. These long grits person. That looks good next up. We have corn beef brisket hash with potato barrels onions peppers cheese. Kurds you like. She's skirts and soft. Poach egg with tabasco holidays. Ooh who is also a lot of these new to this is bad and then over here. Glass of the food items. Is the fried cinnamon roll bites with cream cheese frosting and candied bacon elia. We're going to have to try that. So i just gained fifty pounds. I can't do this. You've only made it to the second booth actually is a fruit loops. Shake non alcoholic lately will not try that. They've got a cold brew cocktail now. This sounds good with milk. Kurram coffee and vanilla vodka. That's new this year. I'm gonna go for the cold brew and the cinnamon roll bites in the shrimp and grits. Okay right an extra nor do the next. Every i'll take the next one sure headed over to the citrus blossom which is at the world showcase plaza. And this this sounds pretty delicious. Meyer lemon poached lobster. Salad with grapefruit rosaiah vinegar. At yuzu marinated hearts of palm an avocado yuzu anaconda della gluten and wheat friendly option. It is new to the venue. This year you also find a citrus braised crispy pork belly with come quote and carrot also knew the menu this year and then for dessert you'll find a citrus shortcake With an orange cake lemon curd mandarins whipped cream and citrus crumbled. I'm having. I'm having dessert here. Thank you it does look aruba yep yep and i love orange and lemon curd and all of that together with the whip cream that yes i say. Very very as far as the beverages There's an orange lemon smoothie and a souvenir orange bird sippy cup. Get your orangeburg on. Have you seen the new orange bird shoulder sitters cute. Yes stuffed orangeburg. That said your shoulder. Meanwhile i want would like to file a complaint. I would like mister bluebird to sit on my shoulder. Thank you okay yes you know. What's better than mister bluebird on your shoulder. You're definitely guaranteed to have it as a zippy doodo day honorably bluebird on my shoulder. Okay anyway nothing there right exactly so and then you can get the marada beer company. Coconut key lime ale from fort pierce florida which interestingly enough work peers is just south of disney's vero beach resort so yeah and then you can also get now. I will probably mispronounce this when the first magnitude brewing company lemon health haney the heat. The heat is in the heff owen and that is brewed out of gainesville florida. And then the playa linda brewing company hibiscus limescale from titusville florida. That is new to the new to the festival this year. And then you can also get the orange sunshine wind slushy now. You're speaking my language. That has lauren written all over it. And then there's also get a flight of those three beers so there you go oh very the citrus sauce. Fear around the world i slammed. Now what's what's gotten into you. You're switching it up from your swing. I'm evolving usually the other way round. Usually like people start with beer and then go to wine out interesting. Okay well we support you. We support you. Thanks i you know. I feel like i need to kind of give everybody a different view of things all about the wine all the time and i feel like i need to mix it up. We'll see the problem. Is you always get the same wine i do. I do love my krisha. So yeah i mean the fact that you're you're you're you're trading up all the different types of types of beers here i mean that's you can definitely definitely expand your palate there. Righty i'm trying. I think we skipped one though. Yes sir plaza skipped you skip the one that was full of puns. Sharpy the honey. Honey bees stroll. Oh honey any easter. So you're honey. Bistro hosted by the national honey board case. He wanted to know it's in the showcase pavilion showcase plaza. So so everything's honey related already going to butcher. This first word is to to pillow to below two pillow. Tupelo honey sweetcorn spoon bread with jalapenos bacon and a housemaid whipped honey butter which is gluten gluten and reach wheat friendly. So that's new this year. Yeah everything is honey. Lavender honey mustard marinated chicken flat bread with whipped honey ricarda cheese marinated vegetables purple haze lavender goes. That's also new this year and then the local wildflower honey. Marzipan cheesecake or mark capone. Capone's cheese cake with orange blossom. Honey whipped cream whipped honey crystallize. Honey honey comb dehydrated honey and fennel pollen. Meringue kisses sos. I wanna try all. That sounds lots of honey. Doing miller and i bet it's probably a good price that's probably honey of a deal and again. This is why we shot that you didn't take this one. Yeah you need to get it before. All the buzz gets out so the beverage beverages. You can get the honey peach freeze in a souvenir spike. The bee sippy cup. please seltzer the honeycomb. Be or something like that. It's not alchoholic okay Then there's another. I magnitude brewing company like sharpy head honeybee citrus blonde ale from gainesville florida. That's new this year there's a florida. Orange grove winery orange blossom honey wine from saint petersburg florida and then there's a honey peach freeze with blueberry vodka. So there's all your honey so it is well. There's so many trees with blueberry Sounds we're getting you ready for thursday. Laura boxing sentimental quickly. Thank goodness i have two days there. And i go back in april whatever. I don't get this trip. i can get. You've got your work back later this month. Oh so we had to the next is the refreshment port of so. There's only a few things there. I'll do that one. little one. Refreshment port over at showcase plaza is only. It's gonna carry a couple of things you've got. Your house made italian sausage and peppers. Putin this is plant based and new to the menu knew the festival. And then there's a popsicle rio there's a honeydew a raspberry mint and a coconut lime. I want every one of those. Yeah i'm used to the coconut lime flavor and honeydew. I've seen that in the last couple years but raspberry meant that's interesting so these are free while they're friendly. Luton elite friendly all three of those popsicles at once. You have a flight of the place that you brought. Last time we were there. They did a good job. I did a much better job of pleading these up. The photos look really what really nice. Okay and then have some beverages so we have star cut ciders star cut. Outsiders cider lotta hard cider. And that's a lot of cider. I thought this is going to be an easy one. And this is belair michigan. This is new this year and then we have out water bloody mary and this has old. Premium vodka all natural tomato juice. And a dash of spice. And that's new as well. Then there is a cut. Wha- cut water whiskey mule black skimmer bourbon with ginger beer a hint of lime and aromatic bidders new the menu if you go to sandals they have the meals and they're really really good at that and ocho at the hidden speakeasy the speakeasy down there anyways right. So that is the showcase plaza. Those popsicles are kind of the the star of this booth. We'll see all right moving along we're gonna go to the pineapple promenade or promenade. Prefer and thing. Lauren are you upper. I don't even know what order. Okay steve yeah i went. I went before. We go again. Where i'm going to go all right around. This one's this one's just like american. Food is so pineapple promenade A showcase plaza spicy hot dog with pineapple chutney. Implanting chips sounds kind of basic mixed. Yeah these are all knows. Nozomi me mixed berry. Buttermilk cake looks like something i gotta public's cake and then there's a dull whip which is your standard dole which is always good but you know. Yeah then there's a ton of beverages frozen. Dessert is frozen dessert violet. Lemonade which is non non alcoholic. there's a dole whip with fanta non alcoholic. There's a three daughters brewing tropical heff wheat ale from saint petersburg florida which is new. There's a wicked. We'd ruin this not what you're thinking growing fresh pressed wheat ale with django. I'll say all right so it's a. It's an ale with mango. Pineapple guava and guava from asheville. North carolina pronounced guava guava asheville north carolina. That's new that sounds interesting Lexington brewing and distillery company. Aloe hop i that is a l. o. Hop i From lexington kentucky kentucky. This new Clayoquot by linda violin brewing company. There's a lot of beer violet. Lemonade ale titusville florida. There's a florida. Orange grows winery sparkling pineapple wine. If i were to drink wine that would be. It sparkling pineapple wine this summer for saint petersburg florida. Oh hey you know what i could just as easily do. Wait wait wait. Oh there's two there's actually two things that are interesting. So the next one is the dole whip topped with a parrot bake coconut rum and then the next one is a pineapple beer flight. I don't know if i could drink that much pineapple beer a lot. That's a lot because it's what at least three. It doesn't say but i'm guessing there's at least three beers on pinal beer flight. I'll how many are listed here. You've got oh maybe it's all of them as true one probably three or four three or 'cause the wine is wine not beer so i think you get an well that's eliminate ale or a few things that are interesting. Who's up with lauren. now error at lawrence. This looks good okay. So next up is d- trowel and trellis which is going to be hosted by the impossible foods in showcase plaza and this has grilled street corn on the cob understood with street. Court means it's world. I guess With savory garlic spread it's gluten and friendly plant based impossible sausage and kill soup also plant based on a new item The boneless impossible korean short rib with cilantro lime race den muji slaw. Kimchi manny's plant based garden grays new and then a lavender pot decree them with blueberry cake. Pink pepper corn in lime whipped cream. Also plant based on. No none of that looks appealing to me. So the pink pepper. Corn is in the cake. Yeah you can see it. Yeah so that's interesting to me doesn't deal for me lime whipped cream for me. I'm kind of intrigued with this one. Are you add. Take a picture of it. Pepper corn has like a flowery flavor to it. It has a has a floral note to it. Okay well that makes sense if it's lavender with blueberry Okay and how about beverages averages. We've got twinnings of london. Cranberry in line green tea. Non alcoholic new parish brewing. Company bloom hazy. Ip a that's also know. Twenties of london. Cranberry and lime. Green tea with hanger. One macrumors lime size cook served in a mason jar. Neum do like a good drink and a mason dramatic all right. So do you say twenties because you have twins now because it's the brand. Is it twins at twining's i don't know it could be around whatever you want so sharpie you should do this in the next one. Why the next one only has to item so you should do the following one as well. Yeah the for refreshment. Post not not not too much available there. I you get your pineapples skewer with tajuddin seasoning and of course that is gluten wheat friendly Plant based garden grays. It's totally a pineapple spear on the stick with some seasoning. Some tajuddin seasoning. You know apple's beer Anyway and then murata beer company key lime hibiscus ale and ones in from Fort pierce but then we're looking at the bauer market from tatum palmer's market from germany See have the potato cakes with house made applesauce now that that sounds pretty religious Gluten wheat friendly plant based garden grays Then you can get your potato pancake with caramelized ham onions and herb sour cream cam news. This year. It's end hints. Yeah and then toasted pretzel. Bread topped with black forest ham and melted cheese. That's up my alley. I'm a big fan of a good ham and cheese. Especially with a pretzel pretzel bun and then in warm cheese strudel with mixed berry and that sounds pretty tasty too pretty good then the ira brewing hugo from durell florida The burger premium pills. Rheinland pal to nate nate. We need a beer coach challenging beards. I don't know a rheinland. Nate and no i'm going with it. No need to write in on any of the pronunciations. As we know. So terrible omega folks. Can i say and then radler from salzburg austria and then the app full schwab mine. Good issue you. What was that chirpy. The apple shalam wine. Okay which i can tell. It is even without looking at the translation. I know that it is a apple wine. It's a sparkling wine and apple a core. There you go then you can also get a flight of the aforementioned three beers so let me tell you something. I wouldn't have gotten through that one. Line that but i'm also not great. So what was that all right. Who's honestly i acquire etcetera and singing all different languages. You pick up you you. You can do a pretty decent job of understanding what some random words are like. Okay okay. i can see that. I can see that okay. Okay okay got that so anyway. Yeah not great not terrible but still pretty bad all right. Well it's only gonna get worse from here. It's all downhill. Sorry guys So we're gonna go to elliott terrace. I can say that this is in american adventure and your food items here. You're gonna have your crawfish a to fe with and dewey sausage and dirty rice. Eve would like that. It'd be all over. That one's new agent style. Royce roasted wasters roasted woj stories. Her you said you get to see this year. What is happening tonight shouldn't stop. Blurt here to giggle all right. Then you can also get a house homemade dan. Two ways with spicy mustard They have a pecan cake with maple whipped cream. That sounds good. That sounds really good. It's got a if it's got a nice glaze maple glaze with pecans in there. That's good and then pecan what our listeners. All right now dr. glazing over yeah or going nuts oh my god. We're never getting through the show time. I just have to get through the beverages. And i'm good for another round Beverages you've got to buy you cocktail by you spiced rum coconut rum route. Punch and minute maid orange juice. This is new for that. sounds amazing. Thank yes oh my gosh. That'll be so good. It's k- it's kinda. I'm i'm gonna say it's it's kind of hurricane kinda nine that maybe the calling it a by your cocktail but has it's interesting end of her name so many things destroy. Maybe it's a new twist on a hurricane. Oh my gosh it lost me nyc it. Oh gosh lisa blown me away here. Oh my god. I all right. You would argue citizens show all right eight bay brewing company orange coriander wheat ale. Tampa florida bay. What i say. Minds eighty eight years eighty eight now. Green eighty one big trouble with number eighty one bay brewing company. Orange coriander wheat ale mute. Yourselves please thank you very much. They did in tampa florida. This is a new drink. They have more wicked. We'd brewing daylight american light ale rum asheville north carolina. This is also new. Perish brewing company ghost in the machine double ip. And this is broussard. Louisiana beer flight to cover when three of them got lucky. Wait a minute you have an easy one. One the next one. Yeah so There's a funnel cake over. The american adventures mini funnel cake top with lemon cheesecake ice cream lou gary's and powdered sugar. Try that and least that actually looks like that's right up. Your alley is x. Delicious it it looks really good. Looks kind of small i remember. They had a mini funnel cake in years past and the lines for the funnel. Cakes are so long. I didn't get to get one last time this year. I'll do morocco so taste taste of marrakech morocco. So get ready for these to be butchered. So there's a moroccan seafood. Excuse with shrimp mussels olives preserved lemons and anchovy breadcrumbs. So that's new this year. There's a what is that. Even shed shed shu-cheong shuka to shuka. Moroccan baked eggs in a spiced eggplant and tomato stew. That's new There's a lemons something. Meg deleon delete elena. Magdalena cake with fig compote in my gosh sangria gel so plant blades. So that's a plant based that would be really good beverages those The i a beer company again. We've already had this beverage. The pig high viscous orange wheat ale of from door florida. I think sharpie had that on so they must be in a couple of places and there's some type of pineapple air heart cider from spain. Which is new this year the that that also sounds really good. A pineapple pair hard cider. Yeah that does sound pretty good. A soft cider. It would sound good. I need to print out and circle these next time. Yeah because there's so many things are just to listen to the show again as we as we walk. Just listen to the show and fast forward pestle. Listen to hold on. we're laughing. Pronounced mouse sheds please all right. Who's up next sharpie. Ns the isla fresca between morocco and france. You can get a lamb curry with sweet plantations and rice. You can get a sugar cane shrimp skewer with steamed rice and coconut lime sauce. You can get a tropical moose cup with layers of passion fruit cake coconut moose and then a tropical fruit glaze with fresh pineapple. That sounds delicious beverages. You can get a tropical freeze and ivanhoe park brewing company with habilis. Gav -cation no guava -cation our beer have now that one. That one took me a minute to get. A viscous guava power beer. that's The ivanhoe brewing company in orlando florida and in the tropical breeze with parrot bay coconut rum. Which i would totally totally be on top of that. Well the tropical freeze. They're not really saying what labor's it has you say tropical you say freeze and then add coconut and rum forward straight to my heart baby. Oh my goodness wow okay. I was always wondering what that would take tropical freeze coconut rum. I wish i liked coconut. I love coconut coconut. Rum's even better all right laura. I think you're next. Sorry i'm choking from laughing so heart. It's what you get for drinking beer. Oh my goodness so. I am going to the festival. Favorites world showplace. And we've got. Let's say the watermelon salad with pickled onions that embalming reduction that is gluten wheat friendly item. I've actually had that before. It's really good. It's probably one of my favorite things that that spot ch Then there's the beef brisket with smoked pork belly slider with garlic sausage trees oh cheddar fondue and housemaid pickle. That actually sounds really good. And i'm not really a big orc belly fan. But i actually might try that and then we it might even get me right. It sounds really good. Nine locks good speaks to me but that those fried green tomatoes with blue crab fennel salad remove I friendly lot and smoked paprika oil. I wasn't even touching that one and this looks really good. The key lime tart with toasted meringue at looks interesting delicious. Most okay looks good. Basketball empire ever had was at disney at olivia's cafe over at old key west resort caffe nero the could have a good keel over sleeper. Yeah definitely and and an average is. We've got frozen non alcoholic lemonade. Three daughters brewing bay people bacon stout come on sounds interesting frozen lemonade with firefly back. Blackberry moonshine okay. So interestingly enough. I had blackberry moonshine on my last trip there. I've never had it before it was delicious. Acquired we have it in one of the drinks at A compass ale encompass they may Somebody actually brought little mason jars over to us was delicious all right up. I'm going to give it a go. We're going to the epcot. Farmers east in the world showcase show place and so this is a rotating menu items for rotating menu number. One spring onion soup with chris. Christie shallots and microchip. That sounds good. That sounds really good. Actually that's new duck confident with here. At puree roasted root vegetables rainbow chart ch- and duck walked duck juice and this is gluten wheat friendly sharpie off the beat in path b. e. t. professionals with beat red beat moose bolden beat pastry cream whipped goat cheese cream cheese and candied walnuts. No look at this thing. it's beautiful. it's beautiful. But no. I think i would try like i'm you know me. I'm not the most adventurous eater. But i think i would have to. I think i would have to try that. It's i i really do think it would be. It would be hard to beat. Wow you're not going to be hard to beat a all right. And then we're going back to the eighty eight bay brewing brewing company by the way yes all right eighty one bay yacht with them. Yes well they've they've grown. They've advanced they've evolved. That's eighty oneplus seven. Eighty one bay brewing company watermelon. Mint wheat ale tampa. This is new. I- biscuits lemonade cocktail featuring isla morada brewery and distillery haikus jen lawn biscuits this year. It's well very flower. Try to do that. That i would definitely mellon no the discus. I would try the watermelon if with the hibiscus. Jin definitely try that. I'm definitely more of a cocktail person. I've never had a. I've said this on the show before. I've never had a glass of beer. What like mine and so sharpie. We could get you over there. Are we all right so is next. We'll go to the cider house. Which obviously has lots of cider over at world's world showcase so they only have to food items. The made potato and cheddar biscuit with us salmon tar and then for desert they have a dark chocolate raspberry tart with whipped cream alex scott and then a lot of beverages insiders so three daughters brewing pink lemonade. Hard cider saint petersburg florida. That's new this year. Another watermelon a bold rock watermelon. hard cider. the from virginia now. He's i virginia now. He's virginia and then they have Lakes hard cider. Company has a triple hard cider Which is new for michigan. We have samuel smith old. You're old brewing pure Purebred ruing organic logger. Start over at home. My gosh i got all of his. So it's an old brewing pure brewed or a logger from tadcaster. uk and then snake bite has blake's hard cider. Company is a or i guess. Maybe maybe it's called a snake by. It's a triple jam. Hard cider and samuel smith Old brew pure brew. Organic logger gash. Or you can get a cider flight ads easier. I'm sure it's much better than than the way. I went through all that so over there. If you like hard cider down smoother than it comes yes so. I do like hard cider though. So there's a couple of detroit. I don't know we have to go several times or be very very drunk. Yeah i'm gonna go a couple times now. The the desert at the next one is Zasyadko who's got the next one. I think i'm up again. You're you up again. All right so northern bloom. This is canada ovalles. Canada and our food items here. We've have seared scallops with french. Green beans butter potatoes brown butter vinaigrette and apple wood smoked bacon. Wooten friendly then we. This already sounds good. If on tips mushroom borlaise sauce and with petit whipped potatoes with garden. Vegetables griddle maple pound cake with warm peach compote and sweetcorn jilava. Now you tell me that sounds delicious. I don't think i've ever had sweet. Corn gelato. griddle. The maple pound cake. That looks pretty good compote and then it sounds interesting. Auto does look good. I would try Might try by that. That looks all right. So then we moved to the beverages. Oh my favorite company is coming up We have the maple popcorn shake. This is foreign shake. sounds not to. Maybe it's good. Well that reminds me of the popcorn soup that served on the disney cruise ships. And that sounds weird but it's delicious. That's interesting okay. So the eighty one bay bruin apricot with maple syrup. And that's out of tampa. Florida elective arts brewing blackberry fruit beer hamilton ontario goose island. Beer company lost pallet hazy. Ip a with mango and cinnamon of schick was that's new and maple popcorn shake with tap. 357 maple right wyss or you can get a beer flight. Oh my gosh. So many beer flights that's popcorn two. Okay let's eat going. Lauren mexico yup okay. So mexico we have our food items. Oh god i'm gonna destroy this. Try to help you. But we're not much already. We already did well with a log gap. You did very well with water. I'll take lunch. Anita's i love you though. This is over in mexico An an i am not making any promises here but the to scott dixon coke anita which is braised pork on a crispy corn tortilla with black beans topped with pickled onions. Mango habanero relish and oregano. That is a gluten and wheat friendly option. The taco van piero which is braised beef on a corn tortilla with crispy grilled monterey jack cheese and salsa ranchera sounds good and the so pay teresa which is a plant based ground juries o- on fried corn dough with black beans and avocado mousse interesting interesting. Don't not at it now guy. Passion fruit margarito corazon data. A gava blanco tequila ocassion lime juice nixed corn liqueur. I i now. I'm over the easy words. Lure an a hint of smoke with a hibiscus flower rim then the garden margarita. Ojo de tigray meskel. Lettuce juice inshore. Es chili verde liqueur lime juice Graciosa diaz agom gin and then a spray of time to loom mexican craft beer with a floater. Artisanal logger with citrus. Note made with caribbean sea. Water and serve elder flower lacouer. Floater gonna have the caribbean sea water. You won't be for that one. You are my favorite little brother world. Yeah the others. And i did that so much better than i would have. Because i'd still be like stumbling over the food items right now. Lord china nine totally handle china. Get a jump in with china. Okay so china. We've got for food items Papa cakes potato cakes filled with shrimp and water. Chestnuts serve with housemates strawberry sauce. I actually would try that. That actually looks good. That's the new way to. And then they have bond chicken skewers with sesame. Peanut sauce and i actually really like these. The house made crab and cheese launch. Those are really good. for beverages have lisa's favorite bubble tea and classic milk. Tea with black and white over pearls jasmine draft. Beer a marco boba should marco Iced coffee milk cambozola. Kung-fu punch bica triple sec. Mango syrup orange juice and soda water. That actually sounds good. And then tang dynasty. Jose cuervo to kill a gold late rum. Strawberry syrup pinochle outta mix white boba pearls and soda water. That one's now interesting. No caribbean one caribbean sea. I ordered now boasts things in there was good most nest good job. I think i'm next you next. You should definitely go next. So you can take italy Let me look at it. Or i'll do it again. It's an easy one. i'll give it a go. We're going to the primavera kitchen in italy. And i as far as the food items go. We have a margarita. Ennis's rustic italian flat bread with tomato sauce and mozzarella pretty traditional looks. Good to me. I'll take that are in cini erin. Cini aaron genie not bad so good air. Genie sweep sausage. Pride rizzuto balls with pomodoro sauce. The ones over at Someone helped me. What's the one at You no over at disney springs. You got me towns lie Some marines. i'll. I'll are the best i've ever had. Oh then the stuff so good. The kind of underground bar is that right or am i. Thinking of over at a dizzy springs now marine antos. The other one is it up. I haven't been there's one. That's kind of a underneath the steak restaurants that i need to get over to. I need to get to that one. I haven't done that one. I saw a little video. Cool it's amazing as much as we go. There's still so much we need to do kind of like a little hidden now. Well and dizzy springs is always adding new restaurants and stuff. I have not done. I still have probably about five restaurants there. i haven't done. i have or times that i'm sure arizona. I'm up with japan. No i'm doing beverage into your beverages or do the beverage off mr all right. So my beverages i have a perone pills. Ner aquino gratiot lauren. Yes a chianti masako. The best drank ever. you love. stop roseira gal Scotto italian white sangria with presario. Italian red sangria. With cabernet. sauvignon italian. Margherita with lemon cellos and tequila. See for me. All of those words are pretty difficult as well. Since they're all brink's those you're speaking my language. Okay let's see the steve all right so you can us to japan. So japan has the fruit sushi. The fru rucci. For she is just i don i what is. It called fruity fruit sushi. It's just as stupid silly as it sounds. Because who makes sushi out of fruit the she people of ridiculous thing. So i mean it sounds good no strawberry pineapple cantaloupe wrapped in sweet. Rice pink Soya wraps garage with whipped cream and drizzle with berry sauce and toasted. Coconut has nothing. There's no no Raw fish in there alba whatever so makes it through she she when i swear there you go And then they have a shrimp. A shrimp and crab was spicy man as cucumber slices minister with a creamy avacado and What is at a violet sauce. That's new this year and then they have the so Soy glazed pork shank with from fold mashed potatoes. And then they've crispy lotus lower. That comes with that some garlic chips and a green onion. So anyone else intrigued by this porsche. Pork shank with truffle mashed potatoes. Now looks it looks okay. But now now now we. I would definitely do the fruity. I don't know i would try it. I don't think i've ever had anything in japan. They have very few items. They have three three drinks as well. Sikora is that right sukkur. As zen ale they have a pineapple sake. Slow interesting island definitely try that. They have a blood orange sour with the freshman which is new this year the festival this year. I'm pretty sure. I would be walking away pretty tipsy. Pretty pretty tipsy. There's a lot of interesting alcohol. This next thing looks pretty. Good too okay. So it's france lauren. Sharpy to go. I don't wanna do france. Okay sharpie would you mind very bad idea for me. Do france france to friends. I will give it a try. I will do much better with this than spanish or german or english could be true numbers. Forget the numbers. I can't handle it. I don't know if you tuned in to this episode to actually get a load of the menu for flower garden this year or whether the entertainment is the poor pronunciations. Please if you're going to submit to like some type of terrible reviewing language pronunciation podcast please let us know so we can laugh along helmet. Goodness okay so here we go. We're going to france. We're going to flirt. Lee and our food items are and i'm going to do my best on these either way. She's already because i would have just at france out. You did that on one of the other ones. I'm like oh you cheated. I totally cheated. Yeah you did. Oh that was the garden. Yeah that was mexico all right so your food items let me give it a go tot all own young families. A shefa goat cheese tart with caramelized onions on a flaky pastry crust cut. That was impressive. Now see an odd comfy allah wrong. Oh gnocchi alla Raise duck on the wealth. Counterfeit healthy Allah rongj with prejean. Dokie okay this is interesting. I can't do this like vanessa. So i'll try it anyway. Mccomb ashoka la on sue set large chocolate mackerel lollipop I don't like this in year. Karma liza ray clem vanilla vanilla Glace o'connell flailed. The cell caramelized benet filled with vanilla. Cream and glazed with caramel lord.'. Cell which is called solid salt lower of salt. I might try that had lower of salt. Okay beverages We're not out of the woods yet. You're doing your whole straw. Ronin third blunk sixteen sixty four draught. Beer ray raspberry Rosie wine with natural raspberry flavor chardonnay. Interesting live young men. Wa this is new. Bordeaux cabernet sauvignon merlot and mullebeck blend chateau. Lauren lookin Lavi on clothes wilson's lucci. You were so close to bring it home. That was funny. I didn't know when the accident stopped. Vodka grey goose local vodka and saint germain liquor white and red clam belize use. Wow you did if. I left much harder. I'm going to have to we. We all the way home. We could almost end the show on that one. Because there's only one left okay. There's one laughs just jaffrey's was good. Yeah the rest. Just a coffee during i. I'm sorry i have to go through these. You want to go through the lemons blooming berry which is a frozen lemon blackberry. Syrup with a splash vodka. That's new this year The were the showcase plaza. Jaffrey's has a citrus sunrise frozen lemon and passion fruit with mandarin vodka. I would try that the next holidays with the bubbly brew. Which is jameson cold brew. Whisky and coffee with a splash of coq. I'm we're talking. Coca-cola folks don't get too excited Canada offers the spring flurry which is a frozen cinnamon whisky. Those all centers lucious and they're all new this year. It's interesting shot. Try them out his. I never would have thought jaffrey's would have just like them as coffee. They all have the they've gone with the alcohol alcoholic beverages as well. It's the way to sell it. Yeah so laura it'll be the first one there in a couple of days so If you have any specific ones that you think's a good value great presentation pronouncing record. Well just remember just If you're like oh this one. This one's really small. This one's a good value and this one was a the hidden jim. I don't know if you have some interesting ones. Were after you actually taste. We'll go over what we think. Similar topics that syllabi interesting. And hopefully i get to see that The bands play yeah. I'm there friday and monday. So and they have a guide where you can get a stamp of some sort of think you get four or five stamps. It sounds like it's a free guide this year. You get your free guide and then you go to one of the booths and you get a surprise prize of some sort. So since the whole thing's free. I i can't imagine a very exciting. But that's also something going on this year and then of course it's and guard vessels of gardening the always time because winter's over get down there it's beautiful. It's amazing. yeah the way. They do the gardens And if you're interested in don't know if they have any. I haven't seen anything on seminars or anything like that because maybe they don't want people gathering smoker so hopefully that'll be back maybe the summer time when we have things a little bit under control. Yeah leith coming. I feel a shift i do. Yeah i feel a slight shift very excited. We get out of the house. Go down to epcot stroll around. It's nice. it's all outside. You buy these little plates. You look at the flower and garden festival. you're right. He rides listed some music. Kind of relax. Oh i can. I can give everyone a sneak. Peek or a teaser I booked flight today. Well that's good I will be able to do a review and not too long got. I am going to saint lucia. That's exciting say wishes cool. Yeah i'm excited. It's been it's been with me I was and it's been six years ago five to six. This'll be six years up. Yeah august right right because we went in the fall ish so yeah i'm going to head back in a checkout sandals they have three resorts out there and i will let you all know what i think sweet. You're excited all right is that it's anything else any other words. We need to mispronounce nails. That i think we we're going to be cleaning up after the show for a little while so i'm going to grab a broom. Yeah it's pretty messy broken. Things is when you listen to the show. So if you do go if you do go to the floor or international festival posted on our facebook page on our facebook group post which video of how you pronounced slaughtered interesting. It'd be interesting to see what you think what you liked what. You didn't like posting some photos of the foods. Quick little videos. Go to the mouse chat facebook group and go ahead and post away. And i'll be in this week to fit well with that. I'm going to wrap up the show. I'd like to think pixie. Big nations for sponsoring the podcast. If you have comments questions for us you can send those to us at comments. Mouse chat dot net. Thanks so much for listening. Please join us again next time.

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